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| [00:09:02] | mzb: | ps: you can't add features to a tivo ;) |
| [00:09:22] | mzb: | eg: jabber control! (I'm getting there) |
| [00:10:03] | erpo: | mzb: Actually, I encouraged him to go with mythtv due to the automatic commercial skipping and the relative ease of adding more storage. I don't quite think he's ready for jabber control. ;) |
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| [00:10:47] | mzb: | aw ... and here's me thinking it was a "must have" ;) |
| [00:10:52] | gusgoi: | hi! |
| [00:11:11] | wagnerrp: | not entirely certain what one would do with jabber contorl |
| [00:11:39] | gusgoi: | remotely communicate with your tv and friends? |
| [00:11:58] | wagnerrp: | i presume its the opposite, control mythtv over jabber |
| [00:12:05] | mzb: | msg to mythtv: find Doctor Who |
| [00:12:18] | wagnerrp: | i imagine any device capable of running jabber can at least run mythweb in WAP mode |
| [00:12:21] | mzb: | (result = list of programs) |
| [00:12:35] | mzb: | msg to mythtv: select 1 5 7 |
| [00:12:43] | mzb: | (selects those entries) |
| [00:12:46] | mzb: | etc .... |
| [00:13:06] | gusgoi: | wagnerrp: I meant the same thing, talk to your tv, it will tell you what's on, you tell it to record or play... |
| [00:14:09] | mzb: | so, if I'm out and mother-in-law says "ooh ... I've forgotten to record 'How to piss off your son-in-law'" I can send a jabber msg to the mythbot to record it |
| [00:14:33] | wagnerrp: | but what do you have with a jabber client? |
| [00:16:12] | mzb: | *cough* |
| [00:16:14] | mzb: | e51 |
| [00:16:35] | mzb: | but I'm using other stuff to translate the built-in IM client to jabber |
| [00:16:47] | wagnerrp: | which is capable of both WAP and HTML |
| [00:17:38] | mzb: | sure, phone also has wifi, but jabber seemed like a better idea (and there was something already roughly like what I wanted, albeit for frontend commands) |
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| [00:19:35] | mzb: | here's an alternative |
| [00:19:38] | ** gusgoi wonders weather each time he gets a new tuner it will be such an effort to start viewing, lsusb see's the tuner but nothing special in dmesg... ** | |
| [00:19:39] | mzb: | http://www.onesoup.com/ |
| [00:22:17] | mzb: | to do it yourself have a look at baraza |
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| [00:22:57] | mzb: | using im means less bandwidth, less time and fewer keys (imo) |
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| [02:42:08] | Hilikus: | hey guys |
| [02:42:16] | Hilikus: | how can i check why a show was not recorded? |
| [02:42:51] | Hilikus: | in the listings it doesnt even have a special border, it appeas as if there was no rule to record it |
| [02:42:54] | Hilikus: | but there is |
| [02:43:34] | jamesd2: | Hilikus, its because mythtv simply refuses to record some of the stuff they put on tv... it has good taste after all? |
| [02:43:45] | jamesd2: | ;-) |
| [02:43:46] | Hilikus: | hehe |
| [02:44:38] | jamesd2: | it should of logged why it didn't record if it wasn't human error... |
| [02:45:16] | Hilikus: | well, like i said, it doesnt seem to be like any other case where it says it was already recorded or conflict or anything, it just appears as if i shouldnt be recorded at all |
| [02:45:46] | Hilikus: | weird thing is if i click on find other showings it shows the one next week and that one IS scheduled |
| [02:46:48] | Hilikus: | and i dont think it was human error, i've recorded that show for a while. my guess is something in the program info |
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| [02:48:18] | Hilikus: | do you have to reset the rules when you change a channel's name? |
| [02:49:55] | jamesd2: | don't know.. i have never done it |
| [02:50:00] | Hilikus: | :S |
| [02:52:48] | iamlindoro: | If your rule is based on the name, yes |
| [02:53:09] | iamlindoro: | ie "record at any time on channel KRON" or "Record one a week on this channel," etc. |
| [02:53:15] | Hilikus: | Record at any time on channel CMDYN |
| [02:53:17] | Hilikus: | mmm |
| [02:53:21] | Hilikus: | ok |
| [02:53:23] | Lexridge: | has anyone seen this? http://decklink.com/press/detail.asp?pressID=162 This is great news! Hopefully soon v4l2 will support these cards which are professional 3Gb SDI/HDMI cards starting at $199. |
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| [02:57:47] | Essobi: | Anyone know why I'd get blue screen output on Watch TV with a ATI TV-Wonder? |
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| [03:16:14] | Essobi: | Meh... Still blue. |
| [03:16:34] | Shadow__X: | Lexridge, what benefit does that give the connection would still be encrypted |
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| [03:21:54] | Kodiak: | hi |
| [03:21:57] | Kodiak: | is there a way to download an ubuntu update to a flash drive and force hte update? i'm dealing w/ this problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lin . . . /+bug/341183 |
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| [03:24:20] | momerath: | Have a quick question. Can I use mythtv to watch stuff from my home computer while I'm at work? |
| [03:24:25] | iamlindoro: | Erm... wouldn't that be a better question for #ubuntu? |
| [03:24:34] | iamlindoro: | Kodiak ^^ |
| [03:24:44] | iamlindoro: | Since it appears not to have anything to do with Myth |
| [03:24:47] | momerath: | Trying to find out if this is the proper solution for me |
| [03:25:05] | Kodiak: | dunno, i'm running mythbuntu |
| [03:25:20] | iamlindoro: | Kodiak, This is the myth channel, we don't support mythbuntu as a distro or ubuntu in general |
| [03:25:26] | iamlindoro: | #ubuntu or #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [03:25:47] | Kodiak: | fine |
| [03:25:55] | cesman: | lol |
| [03:29:11] | heatheriac: | i know this isn't strictly a myth question, but myth seems to have gotten the closest from what i can tell ... is there a way to have a callerid show up on my dekstop (like a notify) in gnome? |
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| [03:33:22] | phunyguy: | prolly some simple CID software out there... |
| [03:33:27] | Essobi: | plenty |
| [03:33:32] | phunyguy: | as long as you have the phone line plugged in... |
| [03:33:32] | Essobi: | check http://www.voip-info.org |
| [03:33:41] | phunyguy: | funny you ask that |
| [03:33:43] | Essobi: | and apt-cache search |
| [03:33:47] | phunyguy: | i am checking out asterisk as we speak.. |
| [03:33:51] | Essobi: | .... |
| [03:33:53] | ** Essobi hides. ** | |
| [03:33:57] | clever: | heatheriac: cidbcast is a small program that listens to a dialup modem and will send out a udp based broadcast with xml in it |
| [03:34:12] | clever: | then all you need is a udp based program to make a popup with the info |
| [03:34:16] | Essobi: | clever: nice |
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| [03:34:24] | Essobi: | umm |
| [03:34:31] | phunyguy: | why did you hide? |
| [03:34:44] | Essobi: | isn't there a growl like app in gnome? |
| [03:34:50] | Essobi: | phunyguy: ... I work in VoIP |
| [03:34:56] | phunyguy: | ahh – lol. |
| [03:35:04] | heatheriac: | clever: thanks for the idea ... i think it's beyond my abilities right now ... i'm trying to figure out if ncid with ncid-popup will do what i need |
| [03:35:10] | phunyguy: | well i was just interested in the simple features like extensions / voicemail / etc |
| [03:35:13] | Essobi: | I used asterisk in um.. pre 0.8 days. |
| [03:35:22] | Essobi: | phunyguy: yea.. |
| [03:35:32] | Essobi: | phunyguy: There's also freeswitch and yate. |
| [03:35:35] | phunyguy: | AsteriskNOW looks pretty simple if you have a spare PC. |
| [03:35:42] | Essobi: | hah |
| [03:35:43] | phunyguy: | any recommendations? |
| [03:35:49] | Essobi: | I've got asterisk on a blackfin. |
| [03:35:50] | clever: | heatheriac: ive made a tiny udp based app in Qt/c++ before when trying to track down a bug with mythtv, QtXml seems simple(used it in another app), and small popups are trivial |
| [03:35:54] | phunyguy: | lol nice |
| [03:35:57] | Essobi: | 5W phone servers FTW! |
| [03:36:02] | clever: | with a little knoledge in c++ you could easily do it |
| [03:36:04] | phunyguy: | yessir. |
| [03:36:09] | clever: | though there are 20 other languages that can do it also |
| [03:36:22] | phunyguy: | meh – im guessing i can just plug the asterisk server into a phone line and it intercepts the calls? |
| [03:36:25] | Essobi: | clever: while [ 0 ] ; do.... ;) |
| [03:36:38] | heatheriac: | clever: cool ... problem is i haven't done any programming in years, and that was M$ |
| [03:36:38] | clever: | Essobi: Qt's event loop can do that part for you |
| [03:36:40] | Essobi: | phunyguy: umm.. only certain kinds of modems |
| [03:36:42] | phunyguy: | then run softphone software on the PCs... |
| [03:36:46] | Essobi: | phunyguy: but their REALLY cheap. |
| [03:36:51] | phunyguy: | yeah i know |
| [03:36:52] | Essobi: | .... |
| [03:36:56] | phunyguy: | just cant be a winmodem |
| [03:36:58] | phunyguy: | :) |
| [03:37:00] | Essobi: | There's a mythtv softphone. |
| [03:37:02] | ** cesman does believe what heatheriac is asking for is already in mythtv ** | |
| [03:37:06] | Essobi: | phunyguy: uhh.. no |
| [03:37:08] | phunyguy: | yes i know |
| [03:37:11] | Essobi: | phunyguy: not that either |
| [03:37:11] | Essobi: | heh |
| [03:37:12] | ** cesman does believe what heatheriac is asking for is already in mythtv's 'contrib' ** | |
| [03:37:13] | phunyguy: | thats the other reason |
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| [03:37:26] | Essobi: | It's got to be a zaptel supported card, and there isn't many. |
| [03:37:33] | phunyguy: | zaptel |
| [03:37:37] | phunyguy: | wonder if i have one |
| [03:37:40] | phunyguy: | i have modems all over |
| [03:37:41] | Essobi: | ... |
| [03:37:44] | Essobi: | heh |
| [03:37:44] | phunyguy: | does it say zaptel on the card? |
| [03:37:46] | Essobi: | hang on |
| [03:37:46] | cesman: | heatheriac: you can also search the mythtv archives.... |
| [03:37:48] | Essobi: | no |
| [03:37:50] | phunyguy: | ok. |
| [03:37:55] | heatheriac: | true, cesman, problem is i'm looking for something that will run outside of myth, whereas the one in myth only works while playing videos |
| [03:38:21] | Essobi: | oh wait |
| [03:38:30] | Essobi: | they renamed zaptel to DAHDI now.. I forgot. |
| [03:38:39] | Essobi: | Sooo ghey of a name. |
| [03:39:49] | phunyguy: | lol |
| [03:39:54] | phunyguy: | yeah i threw out a bunch of modems |
| [03:39:57] | phunyguy: | dangit |
| [03:39:58] | phunyguy: | lol |
| [03:40:00] | phunyguy: | cant find any |
| [03:40:07] | kormoc: | heatheriac, http://www.mumbles-project.org/ |
| [03:40:30] | heatheriac: | ooh, i'll look into that, thanks kormoc |
| [03:40:43] | phunyguy: | so why does it have to be a specific type of modem? |
| [03:41:03] | phunyguy: | seems like the type of thing that if the modem is detected in 'nix, then it would work. |
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| [03:42:19] | Essobi: | phunyguy: You need an X100P.. |
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| [03:42:57] | Essobi: | phunyguy: You can get clones for like 3 bucks a piece from china or "higher" quality ones from other places for ~$15-$40 if you shop around. |
| [03:43:08] | phunyguy: | ok. |
| [03:43:17] | phunyguy: | 3 bucks if it works is great |
| [03:43:21] | phunyguy: | ill just buy like 5 |
| [03:43:27] | Essobi: | I bought like 6 from china.. shipping takes for ever. |
| [03:43:33] | phunyguy: | yeah |
| [03:43:37] | Essobi: | and costs more then the cards |
| [03:43:41] | Essobi: | but still cheaper |
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| [03:43:48] | phunyguy: | true |
| [03:43:52] | Essobi: | to get 6, then pay $40 a piece + 10 shipping. |
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| [03:44:01] | phunyguy: | still dont understand why it has to be a specific type |
| [03:44:39] | phunyguy: | can't you also do true VoIP? |
| [03:44:43] | phunyguy: | like over the internet? |
| [03:44:48] | Essobi: | it's a long complicated story.. |
| [03:44:49] | Essobi: | oh yea.. |
| [03:44:54] | Essobi: | mythphone is voip already |
| [03:45:01] | Essobi: | if you have an internet provider |
| [03:45:09] | phunyguy: | right... but how do you get the phone number – etc.... |
| [03:45:15] | Essobi: | .. |
| [03:45:22] | Essobi: | from a ITSP... |
| [03:45:23] | phunyguy: | i have no clue about it.. |
| [03:45:25] | Essobi: | heh |
| [03:45:29] | kormoc: | mythphone is dead |
| [03:45:30] | phunyguy: | sounds expensive. |
| [03:45:35] | Essobi: | kormoc: Is it? |
| [03:45:38] | kormoc: | deleted from the repo |
| [03:45:42] | Essobi: | phunyguy: Cheaper then you think |
| [03:45:46] | Essobi: | kormoc: damn.. really? |
| [03:45:52] | Essobi: | kormoc: Why'd it get abandoned? |
| [03:45:58] | phunyguy: | well for instance i pay $13 a month for local calling and 100 long distance minutes... |
| [03:45:58] | Essobi: | kormoc: ... And what's it wrote in. :) |
| [03:46:11] | phunyguy: | is it cheaper than that? |
| [03:46:12] | kormoc: | no idea, but it's abandonment with some major issues lead to the removal |
| [03:46:14] | kormoc: | it's c++ |
| [03:46:16] | Essobi: | you can get flat rate US50 for like 9.99/mo if you shop around |
| [03:46:26] | Essobi: | kormoc: awww suck |
| [03:46:26] | kormoc: | and the feeling is it'd be easier to just start fresh then try to salvage it |
| [03:46:31] | phunyguy: | unlimited? |
| [03:46:32] | phunyguy: | hmmm. |
| [03:46:38] | Essobi: | kormoc: I'd actually like to see a sip phone in myth.. |
| [03:46:48] | Essobi: | kormoc: True true... |
| [03:46:52] | Essobi: | kormoc: Hmm.. |
| [03:47:08] | Essobi: | kormoc: I could maybe.. Hmm.. yea.. could probably make a yate/freeswitch frontend. |
| [03:48:08] | Essobi: | they have a gtk frontend to yate already I believe.. |
| [03:48:30] | kormoc: | Myth is QT |
| [03:48:45] | Essobi: | yea I know.. |
| [03:49:03] | phunyguy: | wow first place i look is $199 a year. |
| [03:49:08] | phunyguy: | thats $16.50 a month |
| [03:49:15] | phunyguy: | unlimited |
| [03:49:16] | Essobi: | I'm saying.. someone front a frontend for a SIP/H323/Video/voice softswitch... |
| [03:49:38] | Essobi: | phunyguy: just depends on what you want too.. |
| [03:49:55] | phunyguy: | well for now i am perfectly happy with my phone service |
| [03:49:59] | phunyguy: | i dont hardly call anyone |
| [03:50:08] | Essobi: | phunyguy: I think voip-info.org had some cheap ones too.. |
| [03:50:13] | phunyguy: | but i would love to filter junk with a digital operator |
| [03:50:19] | phunyguy: | :) |
| [03:50:23] | Essobi: | ayup |
| [03:50:32] | phunyguy: | and make calls from my PCs |
| [03:50:34] | phunyguy: | etc. |
| [03:50:37] | kormoc: | I use vonage for the $18 a month plan |
| [03:50:40] | phunyguy: | so i will just buy a modem or two. |
| [03:50:53] | kormoc: | I'm fairly happy with it |
| [03:51:15] | Essobi: | ugh |
| [03:51:18] | Essobi: | vonage |
| [03:51:48] | phunyguy: | http://cgi.ebay.com/Asterisk-X100P-B2-FXO-PCI . . . 3A1|294%3A50 |
| [03:51:55] | phunyguy: | sounds reasonable. |
| [03:52:23] | Essobi: | one day... |
| [03:52:38] | Essobi: | URLs will be so long.. people will get kicked from IRC servers for spamming them. |
| [03:52:46] | clever: | turl.ca |
| [03:52:55] | Essobi: | hhehe |
| [03:53:06] | clever: | even shorter then tinyurl.com! |
| [03:53:07] | phunyguy: | lol. |
| [03:53:19] | phunyguy: | sorry for the long URL |
| [03:53:22] | phunyguy: | freakin ebay |
| [03:53:32] | phunyguy: | they gotta put the item name in the url. |
| [03:53:40] | phunyguy: | OR they could just use the item number... |
| [03:53:47] | kormoc: | SEA |
| [03:53:52] | kormoc: | It's actually fairly important |
| [03:53:56] | Essobi: | I upgraded this myth box O mine to a P4 2.8G/1M/800mhz today.. heh.. |
| [03:54:05] | phunyguy: | awesome., |
| [03:54:07] | Essobi: | From a celeron.. that made a nice difference. |
| [03:54:13] | phunyguy: | one last question then i go to bed |
| [03:54:14] | Essobi: | fo free |
| [03:54:21] | ** Essobi kicks his BTTV driver. ** | |
| [03:54:28] | wagnerrp: | not much of an upgrade |
| [03:54:33] | phunyguy: | system requirements for something like AsteriskNOW? |
| [03:54:39] | phunyguy: | would a 550 work? |
| [03:54:44] | Essobi: | now if I could get this bttv card running.. |
| [03:54:48] | phunyguy: | i got one of those laying around |
| [03:55:12] | Essobi: | phunyguy: umm... I know it would run asterisk but no clue about the web interface NOW uses.. never used it before. |
| [03:55:27] | phunyguy: | im sure its lighttpd or apache |
| [03:55:31] | Essobi: | I've got a single X100P on a 400mhz blackfin with 64megs of ram.. |
| [03:55:32] | Essobi: | so.. |
| [03:55:43] | phunyguy: | yeah it will be for one phone line |
| [03:55:50] | phunyguy: | this box is a 550 with 256 megs |
| [03:55:57] | Essobi: | phunyguy: ... and php and some dickweed who thinks they can write sql queries properly too more then likely.. |
| [03:56:07] | phunyguy: | think it uses SQL? |
| [03:56:07] | Essobi: | that seems to be the downfall of all the asterisk projects lately.. |
| [03:56:13] | phunyguy: | hmm |
| [03:56:19] | phunyguy: | i have a seperate SQL server |
| [03:56:21] | Essobi: | 99.9999% of the asterisk web interfaces do |
| [03:56:29] | Essobi: | the other 2 projects use postgres. |
| [03:56:34] | phunyguy: | ahh |
| [03:56:46] | Essobi: | heh |
| [03:56:47] | phunyguy: | well if SQL overhead is the issue, like i said i have a seperate SQL server |
| [03:57:10] | Essobi: | well... like I said.. never ran NOW... |
| [03:57:17] | phunyguy: | i can try it i guess |
| [03:57:25] | phunyguy: | need to pick up a modem though |
| [03:57:29] | Essobi: | if you really want to bother learning it thou.. instead of using some fancy wrapper.. |
| [03:57:33] | Essobi: | try freeswitch. |
| [03:57:40] | phunyguy: | hmmm |
| [03:57:58] | phunyguy: | the problem is... i am running so many projects already.... |
| [03:58:10] | phunyguy: | so tired of "just learning another" |
| [03:58:13] | phunyguy: | :) |
| [03:58:20] | Essobi: | x100s work in fs too.. |
| [03:58:26] | Essobi: | Yate also I believe.. |
| [03:58:28] | phunyguy: | freeswitch huh |
| [03:58:33] | Essobi: | yea |
| [03:58:38] | Essobi: | FS is the sheit |
| [03:58:39] | Essobi: | heh |
| [03:58:53] | Essobi: | *COUGH* |
| [03:59:01] | Essobi: | Pardon the language.. forgot where I was. |
| [03:59:19] | Essobi: | So hmmm. |
| [03:59:22] | phunyguy: | lol |
| [03:59:23] | phunyguy: | yeah |
| [03:59:25] | phunyguy: | checking it out |
| [03:59:33] | phunyguy: | fairly easy to learn? |
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| [04:01:23] | phunyguy: | wow. |
| [04:01:29] | phunyguy: | 3 ppl will be using this including myself |
| [04:01:40] | phunyguy: | is it worth the studying? |
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| [04:03:58] | phunyguy: | lol hold music |
| [04:04:00] | phunyguy: | awesome :) |
| [04:04:39] | Essobi: | damned |
| [04:04:54] | Essobi: | Xawtv works on my bttv, fuck fscking mythtv wont. : |
| [04:04:57] | Essobi: | :| |
| [04:05:02] | phunyguy: | lol jeez |
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| [04:05:13] | phunyguy: | i dont mind the cussing but i always get yelled at... |
| [04:05:14] | phunyguy: | lol |
| [04:05:27] | Essobi: | phunyguy: Umm. acutally.. FS is probably the #2 next to installed in the opensource voip market |
| [04:05:42] | Essobi: | phunyguy: I said fsck |
| [04:05:46] | Essobi: | it's a unix command |
| [04:05:48] | phunyguy: | so it would benefit me to learn it... |
| [04:05:49] | Essobi: | ... |
| [04:05:53] | phunyguy: | you did? |
| [04:05:56] | phunyguy: | you didnt the first time |
| [04:05:59] | phunyguy: | lol. |
| [04:06:04] | phunyguy: | i know what file system check is |
| [04:06:06] | Essobi: | lol |
| [04:06:08] | Essobi: | woops |
| [04:06:12] | phunyguy: | what is file uptime check? |
| [04:06:15] | Essobi: | It's late.. |
| [04:06:17] | phunyguy: | lawl. |
| [04:06:20] | Essobi: | I'm tired.. |
| [04:06:27] | Essobi: | file uptime? |
| [04:06:33] | phunyguy: | f-u-ck |
| [04:06:36] | Essobi: | rofl |
| [04:06:46] | phunyguy: | ok thats teetering on the edge too |
| [04:06:48] | phunyguy: | ;) |
| [04:06:52] | ** Essobi hides. ** | |
| [04:07:00] | phunyguy: | found the quick and dirty install for FS |
| [04:07:01] | Essobi: | Man.. this bttv is killing me |
| [04:07:04] | phunyguy: | looks pretty simple |
| [04:07:11] | phunyguy: | preconfigured with extensions and tests |
| [04:07:15] | Essobi: | is there a way to run the mythtv program in debug? |
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| [04:07:26] | phunyguy: | ok I am going to bed. |
| [04:07:33] | phunyguy: | thanks for the info Essobi |
| [04:08:09] | Essobi: | k |
| [04:08:11] | Essobi: | later |
| [04:08:14] | Essobi: | i need to go too |
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| [04:08:51] | Essobi: | sup |
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| [04:17:52] | Lexridge: | Shadow__X: ......or even tv broadcast automation systems. |
| [04:18:32] | Shadow__X: | sorry can you repeat that i lost the first thing you said |
| [04:18:36] | clever: | Lexridge: multiple video output? |
| [04:18:49] | Lexridge: | clever: yea, multiple cards required, of course. |
| [04:18:54] | clever: | ah |
| [04:19:03] | clever: | so its basicaly just a video board with 1 output? |
| [04:19:15] | Lexridge: | Shadow: here was the first thing again: Sorry, been on a work related phone call for the last 70 minutes. Ugh! Actually, the decklink cards are great for many things, but especially editing and presentation. However, with a few perhaps minor tweeks to mythtv, these cards could be used for high quality multiple channel playback for hotels and large home entertainment systems for HD VOD. |
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| [04:19:42] | Shadow__X: | hmm interesting |
| [04:19:44] | Lexridge: | clever: well, yes, and no...depending on which card, and how much you want to spend. |
| [04:19:56] | Shadow__X: | how would hd vod work with that |
| [04:19:57] | clever: | what special stuff does it do? |
| [04:20:00] | Shadow__X: | thats interesting |
| [04:20:08] | Lexridge: | they vary from $199, to about $2k |
| [04:20:23] | clever: | what could make it 2k$? |
| [04:20:56] | Lexridge: | http://decklink.com/ |
| [04:21:40] | Lexridge: | multiple video I/O at 1080p is pretty impressive imo. |
| [04:22:03] | clever: | ah |
| [04:22:39] | clever: | so its more like an HD input/output card with variable input count? |
| [04:23:04] | Lexridge: | shadow: it would be vod locally, of course. A video server with multi-room controls per se. |
| [04:23:13] | Shadow__X: | right |
| [04:23:45] | Lexridge: | but, they can also do full up/down and cross conversion. |
| [04:23:51] | Lexridge: | in rt |
| [04:24:13] | Shadow__X: | hmm i am going to have to look into that when i get a chance so i can understand it better |
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| [04:25:22] | Lexridge: | we've been using decklink cards at ch5 for about 6 years, and their quality is amazing, perhaps even surpassing that of nvidia quatro cards at a fraction of the price. |
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| [04:25:59] | clever: | nice |
| [04:26:39] | Lexridge: | yea, but they do not make turner cards which is unfortunate. |
| [04:27:25] | clever: | so it can capture hd but not tune it? |
| [04:28:06] | Lexridge: | it can capture via SDI or HDMI, or component (depending on card) but no tuner. |
| [04:28:13] | Shadow__X: | but to capture over hdmi you need to decrypt it sorry i am bouncing between reading this and working on perl so i think the full magnitude hasnt hit me |
| [04:28:22] | clever: | http://decklink.com/?nab=5 this is massive:O |
| [04:28:30] | clever: | Lexridge: ahhh :) |
| [04:28:43] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: only if the HDMI is encrypted to begin with |
| [04:28:45] | Lexridge: | yea it is! |
| [04:29:01] | Lexridge: | sorry, that last sentence was directed to clever. |
| [04:29:08] | Shadow__X: | yeah |
| [04:29:38] | Shadow__X: | so how would that be used with mythtv to have one central server use one of those to distribute video over hdmi to multiple frontends? |
| [04:29:56] | clever: | you have 1 box with 10 HD video outputs, going to 10 rooms |
| [04:30:08] | clever: | and then route 10 extended usb ir receivers back to it |
| [04:30:25] | Shadow__X: | and have 10 x servers running? |
| [04:30:28] | Lexridge: | Shadow: You can run a separate X session on every instance of a decklink output/ |
| [04:30:35] | clever: | Shadow__X: all 10 screens are running under 1 server |
| [04:30:47] | Shadow__X: | sorry yeah i meant sessions |
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| [04:30:58] | wagnerrp: | seems the Intensity cards now have linux support |
| [04:31:01] | clever: | yeah 10 sessions under 1 big server |
| [04:31:03] | Lexridge: | It identifies itself as a gfx card. |
| [04:31:19] | clever: | its just a matter of extending the IR and video signals |
| [04:31:20] | clever: | and audio |
| [04:31:22] | Shadow__X: | very interesting but how would you have the usb ir reciever going to the right x session |
| [04:31:40] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: as do the decklink and the multibridge. |
| [04:31:56] | clever: | Shadow__X: yeah thats one of the tricky parts of a multi-desk setup |
| [04:32:05] | wagnerrp: | now if only we had CPUs capable of encoding 1080p h.264 in real time |
| [04:32:08] | clever: | ive looked into it before to get 2 desktop sessions on 1 box |
| [04:32:26] | wagnerrp: | i suppose maybe a quad-quad xeon box could manage it |
| [04:32:29] | Lexridge: | clever: I'm doing that right now |
| [04:32:31] | clever: | it works semi-ok if you have different keyboards/mice |
| [04:32:41] | clever: | but if you have 2 identical keyboards, it becomes tricky |
| [04:32:51] | clever: | i think you can use the hub path/port |
| [04:33:10] | Shadow__X: | i think i am going to look into that soon |
| [04:33:11] | clever: | but those are a little dynamic |
| [04:33:30] | clever: | i was trying to run 2 fully isolated X servers with 2 video cards |
| [04:33:36] | clever: | nvidia and s3virge |
| [04:33:51] | clever: | but it kept locking up, and it was my server so i stoped touching the 2nd card |
| [04:34:11] | Lexridge: | clever: I am running dual x sessions, one on a 24" 1920x1080 and the other on a 1440x900. Both completely independent, and I can run independent mythfrontends on each. |
| [04:34:12] | clever: | there are also ways to connect 1 master server to every card, and run subservers |
| [04:34:20] | wagnerrp: | independent cards should be able to do it without too much difficiluty |
| [04:34:41] | clever: | wagnerrp: yeah, then its just a matter of cpu/ram load |
| [04:34:55] | wagnerrp: | nested X? can nested servers have independent mice/keyboards? |
| [04:34:58] | Lexridge: | yea, it would have to be a very hopped up machine. |
| [04:35:33] | clever: | wagnerrp: it was a slightly differnet thing from that, each nested server connected to its own mouse/keyboard |
| [04:35:42] | clever: | and generaly ignored the one from the master server |
| [04:36:03] | clever: | Lexridge: but if you take a quad core with a ton of ram, you could handle 4 outputs |
| [04:36:15] | clever: | and not cost 4x a normal frontend |
| [04:37:40] | Lexridge: | agreed, you could probably get 5 outputs in reality, but with a twin CPU Xeon, with 32GB ram, you could probably get 12–14 of them, given the PCI-X space. |
| [04:38:18] | Lexridge: | er.......PCI-E I should have typed. |
| [04:38:44] | clever: | add in a rack of HDHR's and you can capture every transport on the cable at once |
| [04:39:01] | Lexridge: | yea!!! |
| [04:39:02] | clever: | and record every channel, to handle an unlimited number of rooms/outputs/users |
| [04:40:17] | wagnerrp: | ive seen people set up multi-user boxes with an old AthXP... it cant be that resource intensive |
| [04:40:27] | Lexridge: | realistically, I'm thinking about a 4x4 I/O system which would automate satellite recordings, and play it back via automation at a fraction of the $400K we paid for the crappy software we currently use. |
| [04:42:48] | Lexridge: | I would certainly have to pull outside resources for $$ of course, but I think the mythtv core could be rewritten to make such a task plausible. |
| [04:43:56] | Lexridge: | The cron is already there, the tuner functions could be ignored, and mythtv would need to incorporate a serial 232 or 422 interface. |
| [04:44:24] | Lexridge: | and most importantly, the database structure for such a thing really already exists. |
| [04:45:14] | wagnerrp: | youre talking a not insignificant bit of code there |
| [04:45:30] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: such as? |
| [04:46:04] | wagnerrp: | well youre basically gutting nearly all the functionality of mythtv |
| [04:46:19] | wagnerrp: | considering youre inputting and outputting compressed streams |
| [04:46:24] | Lexridge: | but not the basic functions....to record and playback. |
| [04:46:33] | wagnerrp: | (i imagine you would be outputting the original mpeg capture) |
| [04:46:42] | Lexridge: | probaby |
| [04:47:12] | wagnerrp: | so youre probably talking maybe 10k lines of code for everything |
| [04:48:04] | wagnerrp: | compared to the couple million that is mythtv |
| [04:48:23] | clever: | wagnerrp: you could probly do it with a patch similar to vdpau, where it just outputs the mpeg stream |
| [04:48:33] | clever: | only need to deal with the GUI overlay |
| [04:48:40] | Lexridge: | yea, but it still needs to be able to do it's editing, for segmentation......so a half hour show would generally have 4 segments. That would have to be communicated to the database somehow. |
| [04:48:55] | wagnerrp: | im talking about the whole program is only going to be 10k lines |
| [04:49:01] | wagnerrp: | not 10k to write |
| [04:49:27] | wagnerrp: | which means youre going to have to hack and slash your way through most of the mythtv codebase |
| [04:49:49] | wagnerrp: | you get commercial-less feeds? |
| [04:49:59] | wagnerrp: | how do you currently know where the cut points are? |
| [04:50:26] | clever: | just do the normal lossless-transcoding after capture |
| [04:50:45] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: When the programming is pulled from Pathfire, the metadata contains that information. When it's recorded from external sources, ie satellie, then we do the segmentation manually. |
| [04:51:20] | Lexridge: | those timings are extremely important, of course. |
| [04:53:07] | Lexridge: | My idea was to do a "Broadcast" frontend/serial interface, with a lesser backend. It would allow one to build playback schedules, and eventually read text output from the traffiic system. |
| [04:53:24] | Lexridge: | to build them automatically |
| [04:56:08] | Lexridge: | TV automation systems are a goldmine. Most of the companies that are doing it are somewhat small, and demand a ton of money. Open Source could do this even better and make money from it as well, via support. Any station would jump at $5k year and build your own cheap hardware as opposed to a $400k layout. |
| [04:57:57] | wagnerrp: | well im down to $155 for a frontend im happy with... |
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| [04:59:06] | Lexridge: | clever: What is really funny, We have to buy a very expensive license in order for our FlipFactory software to convert Pathfire media. Nothing in Win32 will open these files. However, Free GPL software AVIDemux opens and converts these files just fine. |
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| [04:59:25] | clever: | lol |
| [04:59:54] | Lexridge: | yea. I don't think I will tell them. |
| [05:00:28] | Lexridge: | however, avidemux does have to build an index before it can open them....which is no big deal. |
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| [05:13:46] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: $155 for a complete frontend is not bad at all. I have a hundred bucks more in my new one. |
| [05:14:05] | wagnerrp: | well thats motherboard, processor, and memory |
| [05:14:11] | wagnerrp: | i already have case and psu |
| [05:15:13] | Lexridge: | same here, but I also had a nvidia 9600 SVO included in my purchase. |
| [05:16:02] | Lexridge: | even thought the mb included the nvidia 8300 video onboard....with so-called virtual SLI. |
| [05:16:26] | wagnerrp: | why the discrete video? |
| [05:16:33] | Lexridge: | I dont think the virtual SLI is yet supported using the linux driver. |
| [05:17:06] | Lexridge: | cause I got it really cheap...$49. |
| [05:17:49] | Lexridge: | and I thought perhaps the nvidia driver for linux would eventually support the dual video processors |
| [05:20:57] | Lexridge: | when it does, if ever, I should be able to drive 5 seperate video outputs with this hardware setup. |
| [05:21:37] | wagnerrp: | not likely |
| [05:22:07] | Lexridge: | not necessarily all HD. |
| [05:22:13] | wagnerrp: | AFAIK, the most boards with the 8300 only support one simultaneous output |
| [05:22:32] | wagnerrp: | regardless of how many display ports it may have |
| [05:22:44] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: oh, did not realize that. |
| [05:23:02] | wagnerrp: | and using SLI, or hybrid-SLI, or whatever, only one card's outputs are functional |
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| [05:24:12] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: oh yea, I do seem to remember that now. DOH!!! Still, I could possibly get four outputs, one from 8300 chipset, and three from the 9600 SVO. |
| [05:24:42] | wagnerrp: | even still, no consumer card supports more than two outputs |
| [05:25:09] | Lexridge: | oh, so one of the DVI outputs is shared with the component output? |
| [05:25:35] | wagnerrp: | its 1:30 in the morning, WTF are there birds outside |
| [05:25:36] | Lexridge: | however, nvidia-settings does show three output options |
| [05:26:09] | wagnerrp: | ive seen some of the 8200/8300 boards (theyre the same chip, just clocked higher) with four outputs |
| [05:26:21] | wagnerrp: | composite, vga, dvi, hdmi |
| [05:26:29] | wagnerrp: | but from what i hear, only one is functional at a time |
| [05:26:55] | wagnerrp: | most discrete cards with three possible outputs, can only run two at a time |
| [05:27:17] | wagnerrp: | if you look on newegg, there are a couple 8200 boards specifically advertised as allowing two simultaneous displays |
| [05:29:17] | Lexridge: | humm, so it's starting to like three monitors is my best bet. That's okay though, as I only have three monitors anyway. ;) However, the expansion possibilities look appealing. I guess not. :( |
| [05:31:12] | Lexridge: | has anyone seen the new Star Trek movie yet? I plan on going this saturday. |
| [05:31:33] | kormoc: | I have |
| [05:31:46] | Lexridge: | kormoc: was it good? |
| [05:31:51] | kormoc: | Sorta |
| [05:32:02] | kormoc: | So I grew up on TOS and all that jazz |
| [05:32:07] | kormoc: | so it was a bit... wrong |
| [05:32:10] | kormoc: | but entertaining |
| [05:32:25] | kormoc: | The easiest way to put it is, to me, it was a good movie, but it wasn't star trek |
| [05:32:39] | Lexridge: | I too grew up on original ST. Watching one of the newer fx versions now. ;) |
| [05:33:14] | Lexridge: | Patterns of Force...great episode. |
| [05:33:45] | Lexridge: | that's the nazi episode. |
| [05:34:13] | kormoc: | Ha |
| [05:34:19] | kormoc: | That one had some solid moments |
| [05:34:52] | Lexridge: | I'm sure I will be missing the old shatner as captain, but I too have been very impressed with the "New Voyages/Phase II" series. |
| [05:35:36] | Lexridge: | I hate the new Spock in New Voyages. The old one really grew on me. |
| [05:36:35] | Lexridge: | kormoc: have you watched the New Voyages episodes? |
| [05:36:43] | kormoc: | Nope? |
| [05:37:07] | wagnerrp: | new voyages? |
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| [05:37:18] | Lexridge: | wow, you are really missing something: http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/ |
| [05:37:53] | wagnerrp: | is this a fan remake? |
| [05:38:06] | Lexridge: | yes, but very high quality!! |
| [05:38:45] | Lexridge: | and the episodes have actually original star trek stars |
| [05:39:20] | Lexridge: | and some are written by original series authors. |
| [05:39:27] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to fake ones, like Welshie? |
| [05:40:09] | Lexridge: | Welshie? |
| [05:40:21] | kormoc: | I'm assuming Wil Wheaton? |
| [05:40:46] | wagnerrp: | never watched futurama? |
| [05:40:48] | Lexridge: | no, lol......no Wil Wheaton. |
| [05:41:14] | Lexridge: | yea, I watch Futurama. |
| [05:42:05] | Lexridge: | seriously though, check out these episodes. They are truely star trek\ |
| [05:42:25] | wagnerrp: | scotty had died, so they brought in welshie to take his place at conventions |
| [05:42:32] | kormoc: | ooh, right :P |
| [05:43:10] | Lexridge: | so sad! |
| [05:43:49] | Lexridge: | Scotty was GREAT, Wil makes me wanna puke! |
| [05:44:15] | kormoc: | Meh, Whesly wasn't so solid, but Wil is alpha geek |
| [05:45:04] | wagnerrp: | ive not seen the new ST, but Pegg seems like an inspired choice for a young scotty |
| [05:45:21] | Lexridge: | kormoc: this is true, I'm mainly referring to the charactor of Wesley rather than Wil as a person. |
| [05:46:40] | kormoc: | They were all decent or good picks, just... ugh... too much emotion/drama |
| [05:46:50] | kormoc: | It was totally NCC-98021 |
| [05:47:02] | Lexridge: | however, Wil is not involved with New Voyages, and I believe if you are a fan of the original series, you will love this fan re-creation. |
| [05:47:07] | kormoc: | or whatever that silly show was |
| [05:47:28] | Lexridge: | Quark? |
| [05:47:32] | wagnerrp: | 90210? |
| [05:47:47] | kormoc: | yeah, ncc-90210! |
| [05:47:49] | Lexridge: | lol, gotcha |
| [05:47:54] | wagnerrp: | what area code is that? somewhere in LA? |
| [05:48:12] | kormoc: | Beverly Hills, CA 90210 |
| [05:48:16] | Lexridge: | I'd assume. I never wasted time on it myself. |
| [05:48:36] | wagnerrp: | it was before my time |
| [05:48:43] | Lexridge: | I just waisted time on other useless shows. lol |
| [05:48:54] | ** kormoc feels old ** | |
| [05:49:16] | Lexridge: | me too, just turned 43 UGH!! |
| [05:49:32] | wagnerrp: | thats like... old... |
| [05:49:39] | Lexridge: | lol |
| [05:49:55] | kormoc: | I'm 27... |
| [05:50:17] | Lexridge: | you're only as old as you feel, and I feel like I'm still 30 |
| [05:50:21] | wagnerrp: | ah, so 90210 was before your time too |
| [05:50:32] | Lexridge: | lol, probably6 |
| [05:50:34] | kormoc: | I told someone the other day that I'm still in my early 20's and then realized it wasn't true |
| [05:50:59] | wagnerrp: | yeah, you would have been... 8 when that show started |
| [05:51:03] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, not really, it was a early 90's show |
| [05:51:32] | kormoc: | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098749/ |
| [05:51:37] | kormoc: | !990 to 2000 |
| [05:51:51] | wagnerrp: | what 8 year old wants to watch a drama about people sleeping around in high school.... for 10 YEARS! |
| [05:52:00] | wagnerrp: | my god, they grow them dumber over there |
| [05:52:59] | kormoc: | Author: tom_cruise_4ever from Stockholm, Sweden "I practically grew up in Beverly Hills. When 90210 first aired in 1990, I was 2 years old. I watched the first episode together with an older brother, and I was hooked." |
| [05:53:07] | Lexridge: | ya know, once I hit 25, it seemed that age all the sudden didn't matter. I have good older friends, whom I did not see as "older" and younger friends that well, the opposite. You eventually pass the "age barrier" |
| [05:53:13] | kormoc: | Wow, they start super early in Sweden |
| [05:54:26] | wagnerrp: | probably had nothing to do with the show... but rather a 2yr old spending time with his big brother |
| [05:54:47] | wagnerrp: | and then it just became a trained action... |
| [05:55:20] | wagnerrp: | although with that name, its probably a girl |
| [05:58:27] | Lexridge: | g'nite all. It's rather late. Check out those new voyages episodes. You will not be disappointed. :) |
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| [06:04:51] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [06:04:55] | mattwj2002: | I have a question |
| [06:05:41] | mattwj2002: | this is totally off topic....but does anyone know if there is any copyright issues with tvuplayer? |
| [06:06:16] | wagnerrp: | never heard of it |
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| [06:07:29] | mattwj2002: | oh okay |
| [06:07:46] | mattwj2002: | it is a really cool program....it only runs on windows I think |
| [06:07:59] | wagnerrp: | and osx |
| [06:08:05] | mattwj2002: | but it is all live tv |
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| [06:08:15] | mattwj2002: | oh okay |
| [06:08:21] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, the osx download is disabled |
| [06:08:28] | mattwj2002: | is it legal? |
| [06:08:48] | wagnerrp: | appears so |
| [06:09:03] | wagnerrp: | they list several networks as 'content partners' |
| [06:09:09] | mattwj2002: | okay :) |
| [06:09:38] | mattwj2002: | cool because they even have the sci-fi channel, nick, comedy central, etc |
| [06:09:39] | tank-man: | yea im a lawyer, you can trust me, its all legal |
| [06:11:50] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [06:12:21] | kormoc: | tank-man, I'm so gonna laugh when he sues you for mis-representation |
| [06:12:24] | wagnerrp: | they have very little information on the site, how can you make a statement like that? |
| [06:13:02] | wagnerrp: | i cant find anything on there talking about legality |
| [06:13:21] | wagnerrp: | other than the fact they seem to be partnered with the stations they are broadcasting |
| [06:15:02] | wagnerrp: | we had a family party yesterday, and my uncle brought over his new nettop, and WAN modem |
| [06:15:15] | mattwj2002: | they have an app on the iPod Touch and iPhone too |
| [06:15:28] | wagnerrp: | couldnt figure out why his computer wasnt picking up the pc-card until... wait a minute... this machine takes expresscard |
| [06:16:35] | tank-man: | is that like fitting a isa card in a pci slot :) |
| [06:16:50] | wagnerrp: | more or less |
| [06:17:17] | wagnerrp: | the physical dimensions of the cards are the same, but the actual electric connector is a little less than half the size |
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| [06:46:13] | mzb: | ps: you're only as old as the _woman_ you feel ;) |
| [06:52:16] | sphery: | Annoying... Rainn Wilson (Dwight Schrute) on an NBC promo before My Name is Earl season finale: "You're staring directly at millions of pixels that flash at a rate of 60 frames per second. Think. Watch. Learn" |
| [06:53:09] | sphery: | So, since it's NBC, it's 1080i, which is 1920x1080--which is 2M pixels--but at either 30frames/sec or 24frames/sec. |
| [06:54:05] | sphery: | Oh, guess it wasn't the season finale (Inside Probe, Part 2) |
| [06:55:15] | mattwj2002: | well technically it is 60 frames per second |
| [06:55:20] | mattwj2002: | because it is interlaced |
| [06:55:29] | sphery: | 60 fields per second |
| [06:55:37] | sphery: | 30 frames per second |
| [06:55:40] | mattwj2002: | that is what I meant |
| [06:55:44] | mattwj2002: | oops :) |
| [06:56:21] | sphery: | All the misinformation (even when it's slight/unimportant) about the HDTV thing is really annoying me, lately. |
| [06:57:12] | mattwj2002: | what do you think of the switch in the date? |
| [06:57:15] | tank-man: | "thhink. watch. learn." shouldn't enjoy be somewhere in there |
| [06:57:17] | mattwj2002: | that annoys me? |
| [06:57:25] | sphery: | I missed a week of shows because of it |
| [06:57:44] | mattwj2002: | because of the switch? |
| [06:58:02] | sphery: | Since there was no scheduled date, my local CBS affiliate just picked a random date to change frequencies... They didn't even announce it on their own network. |
| [06:58:17] | mattwj2002: | oh that sucks :( |
| [07:00:01] | sphery: | And, it turns out that the HD-3000 (as any card), when tuned to a channel that doesn't have anything on it results in Myth's not writing any file for the recording. But, the HD-3000 (unlike some other cards--such as the A-180 that a local friend has) gets in a state that causes the /next/ attempted recording--regardless of channel--to result in no file being written (because no data is returned from the card). |
| [07:00:51] | sphery: | would have been a lot easier to debug if all my missed recordings were on channel 6_1, but since they were spread over every single channel, the pattern wasn't so obvious. |
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| [07:01:17] | sphery: | Until I realized that 6_1 was the only channel for which /none/ of the recordings worked, I didn't realize they had changed freqs |
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| [07:08:06] | mattwj2002: | good nigt all |
| [07:08:56] | sphery: | /away -all afs |
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| [07:30:08] | justinh: | anybody want to buy a harmony remote? |
| [07:30:27] | justinh: | putting a 515 up for sale |
| [07:30:46] | justinh: | gave it a good crack of the whip – it's just too fscking SLOW |
| [07:34:31] | Supaplex: | I give you one yen for it. |
| [07:34:50] | justinh: | ok. $100 postage :D |
| [07:35:27] | Supaplex: | free postage and two yen. ;) |
| [07:35:55] | justinh: | I might just put it in the bin/cupboard instead. less hassle than dealing with clueless dolts on ebay |
| [07:43:33] | justinh: | so. harmony remotes are FA use if you own a telly that doesn't have discrete codes to switch between specific inputs. They're also FA use outside of the 'activities' case. Having to press two buttons to engage the remote into a different device mode is tiresome. Then to top it off it's just not as nippy as a OneForAll remote |
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| [08:20:36] | Gumby: | hi all. Ive got an older trunk version and I am trying to scan but am getting the following 2009-05–12 01:19:11.049 BUG: StackedConfigurationGroup::raise(): unrecognized child 0 on setting / |
| [08:20:55] | Gumby: | and then mythtv-setup.real: ../../src/xcb_lock.c:77: _XGetXCBBuffer: Assertion `((int) ((xcb_req) – (dpy->request)) >= 0)' failed |
| [08:21:32] | Gumby: | I know I should just upgrade (its been months) but I am trying to get this system up quickly and I didnt have issues scanning before I removed my cards and then restarted |
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| [08:54:12] | Gumby: | oops, figured it out. It was because I had manually set a resolution for mythtv-setup to use |
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| [10:13:05] | Gumby: | evening all (well, morning really). i've setup my PVr-150 to capture on svideo and confirmed it working with mplayer. I then added the pvr-150 to mythtv and chose to use its serial port and also bound it to a scanned list of satellite channels (scanned by mythtv – also the same channels the receiver the svideo is coming from will be using) |
| [10:13:45] | Gumby: | When I choose to "Watch TV" in mythtv the screen flashes for 1/10th of a second and its back at the mythtv main screen |
| [10:14:01] | Gumby: | anyone have any insight on why this might be? |
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| [10:14:27] | justinh: | nope, but the logs will probably hold some clues |
| [10:14:38] | justinh: | probably PEBCAK |
| [10:14:44] | justinh: | usually is# |
| [10:15:08] | Gumby: | the logs arent telling me anything |
| [10:15:18] | justinh: | not even the backend log? |
| [10:15:22] | Gumby: | nope |
| [10:15:36] | justinh: | ok so post it in a pastebin & let somebody take a look |
| [10:15:56] | Gumby: | even ran mythfrontend from a console and it gave nothing. one sec. I am just readding another tuner. I will do so once its done |
| [10:16:22] | justinh: | the frontend won't tell you anything about a backend related problem |
| [10:27:29] | Gumby: | it was my channel change script that was the issue :( |
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| [10:31:59] | Gumby: | hrm... now to figure out why audio isnt working anymore. I have it running from s/pdif on my nvidia card. |
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| [15:01:19] | sphery: | iamlindoro: WD Caviar Green 1TB SATA for $84.99 with promo code EMCLSMN28 at newegg ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136317 ) today (until 11:59pm PT on 05/12/2009) |
| [15:01:48] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I thought 1 TB drives were *so* last Thursday? :) |
| [15:02:16] | iamlindoro: | Thanks for the heads up, I probably need to order at least a few more for work anyway :) |
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| [15:02:48] | sphery: | Are you buying the 2TB's, now? |
| [15:03:24] | iamlindoro: | no, but figure by the time I need to add another drive I'll start moving 1.5s in (or 2s if they're stable enough) |
| [15:03:40] | sphery: | isn't Seagate the only one making 1.5's? |
| [15:04:32] | iamlindoro: | prossibly? |
| [15:05:12] | sphery: | BTW, HVR-2250 is $10 off (or $20 off--if you don't count the "normal" $10 off) for $109.99 in same sale with promo code EMCLSMN55 : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116037 |
| [15:05:38] | iamlindoro: | That's not too bad |
| [15:06:02] | sphery: | just trying to tempt you--since you seem to have a want-not-need of it |
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| [15:08:59] | sphery: | I can't figure out how to transcode this nbc recording... If I use project X to make it an MPEG-2 PS, it works/no AV-sync offset. If I use PX to /just/ demux it (no cuts or anything), it drops 6GB of 7.5GB (>10000 errors). If I use any program to transcode, the audio is offset by several seconds |
| [15:09:33] | sphery: | unfortunately the MPEG-2 PS is huge and HDTV (not good for laptop/travel) |
| [15:09:59] | sphery: | and, if I transcode the PS, I get the same A/V sync issue |
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| [15:12:40] | iamlindoro: | sphery: WINE + Speg2Cut2 |
| [15:12:43] | iamlindoro: | er MPEG2Cut2 |
| [15:13:02] | sphery: | will try that... |
| [15:14:41] | iamlindoro: | In cases where every linux tool has failed horribly, especially with errors and/or sync issues, it has come through for me |
| [15:16:01] | janneg: | sphery: no, samsung and wd have 1.5T drives too |
| [15:16:41] | sphery: | cool... I didn't notice they had released any. |
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| [15:20:05] | sphery: | wow... on this transcoded copy, the audio is > 1 commercial behind the video |
| [15:21:38] | bmorris: | does the Hauppauge WinTV HVR 1250 work well with myth? |
| [15:21:56] | sphery: | AIUI, the digital side works fine |
| [15:22:15] | sphery: | if the analog side works, it has all the issues of any other frame grabber |
| [15:22:35] | sphery: | (i.e. I wouldn't use the analog side, so if you just want digital, the 1250 is a pretty good choice) |
| [15:22:44] | ** stuarta sighs ** | |
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| [15:27:19] | sphery: | iamlindoro: after Mpeg2Cut2 does a transcode with another prog work? |
| [15:27:36] | bmorris: | sphery, I'll pretty much only be doing analog. Do you know of a good analog card? |
| [15:27:38] | sphery: | (seems it only cuts, doesn't transcode) |
| [15:27:49] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Hrm... maybe? I only ever do chopping, and never transcode. |
| [15:27:52] | sphery: | I think the HVR-1600 is the generally recommended |
| [15:28:05] | sphery: | the PVR-x50/500 are good, too, if you can still find them |
| [15:28:15] | sphery: | worth a try |
| [15:28:26] | iamlindoro: | sphery: It has a multitude of timecode rewriting options, so I'll give it a qualified "maybe" |
| [15:28:28] | sphery: | ^^ re: Mpeg2Cut2 then transcode |
| [15:29:46] | sphery: | bmorris: but IMHO, you shouldn't pay extra for a PVR-350. The MPEG-2 decoder is useless with today's processors and the video out is too limited (and not well supported in Myth, anymore). A 350 is fine if you don't use the TV out (but then it's the same as a PVR-250 or PVR-150) |
| [15:30:47] | m00t: | PVR350 has support for captioning also wich PVR-250 is lacking |
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| [15:31:21] | ** sphery did captions with recordings from his PVR-350 and PVR-250 for about 4 years ** | |
| [15:31:38] | kormoc: | I also did with my m179 (rebranded pvr 250) |
| [15:31:53] | sphery: | and, TTBOMK, the short period where US captions were broken in the driver is over |
| [15:32:00] | sphery: | (i.e. the driver has been fixed, now) |
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| [15:32:56] | sphery: | oh, and I only used the tv out of my PVR-350 for 2 weeks (long enough for the nvidia video card I ordered when I realized the 350's tv out was not worthwhile to arrive) |
| [15:38:34] | ** iamlindoro proposes a PVR-350 bonfire with framegrabber kindling ** | |
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| [16:09:00] | Essobi: | Bah.. My bttv card won't work with mythtv but works fine with xawtv... anyone ever experienced that? |
| [16:09:40] | Essobi: | the watch live tv results in a blue screen with audio (and channel changing working..)... |
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| [16:17:24] | Captain_Murdoch: | Essobi, sounds like a display issue, not a capture issue. try setting up a recording and playing that with mplayer or if you're quick enough, you might be able to grab one of the LiveTV recording files before it expires and try playing that. |
| [16:19:43] | Essobi: | Captain_Murdoch: I was wondering... it the /usr/bin/mythtv program (the one that is execute by LiveTV?)... is that mplayer? |
| [16:20:58] | gbee: | no, mplayer is a third party application |
| [16:21:37] | gbee: | and the "mythtv" application is not used at all in normal use of mythtv |
| [16:21:58] | gbee: | hmm, maybe the suggestion that it be renamed isn't a bad one |
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| [16:24:51] | Essobi: | gbee: Yea.. it's confusing. |
| [16:25:30] | phunyguy_work: | grrr. |
| [16:25:43] | Essobi: | gbee: Is there a way to change the output settings of the LiveTV? |
| [16:25:58] | phunyguy_work: | just got off the phone with my TV provider... it turns out I had an 18 month contract with dish network, but a 24 month contract with the 3rd party provider. |
| [16:26:15] | phunyguy_work: | so its a double-whammy contract |
| [16:26:28] | phunyguy_work: | $300 fee to terminate (even a month early) |
| [16:26:37] | phunyguy_work: | ....I'm thinking of paying it... |
| [16:26:44] | pak0: | hi all |
| [16:27:01] | pak0: | its possible, to read a disk when i pluged, from myhttv? |
| [16:27:09] | phunyguy_work: | wow. |
| [16:27:20] | pak0: | its possible to autocreate a simbolic link to /home/user/video or something? |
| [16:27:20] | phunyguy_work: | not even touching that one |
| [16:27:55] | phunyguy_work: | so you want to read videos off of a USB drive? |
| [16:28:09] | pak0: | yes |
| [16:28:18] | phunyguy_work: | what does the USB drive get mounted as? |
| [16:28:31] | pak0: | hmm /media/sik? |
| [16:28:34] | pak0: | disk* |
| [16:28:41] | phunyguy_work: | here is the problem, when you scan the videos collection, it creates database entries... |
| [16:28:47] | pak0: | yes |
| [16:29:13] | pak0: | but, its possible without covers? |
| [16:29:16] | phunyguy_work: | so you put that directory as your video collection directory. |
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| [16:29:24] | pak0: | only read the content and play it |
| [16:29:28] | phunyguy_work: | yes. |
| [16:29:32] | pak0: | ok |
| [16:29:34] | phunyguy_work: | but you have to rescan the collection |
| [16:29:36] | pak0: | and another think |
| [16:29:38] | phunyguy_work: | when you plug the disk in |
| [16:29:39] | pak0: | yes ok |
| [16:29:55] | pak0: | but i have to set the main directory on /media/disk really? |
| [16:30:05] | phunyguy_work: | or create a symbolic link |
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| [16:30:18] | phunyguy_work: | put it as a folder in your main collection |
| [16:30:34] | phunyguy_work: | ln -s /media/disk /var/lib/mythtv/videos or whatever |
| [16:30:53] | phunyguy_work: | never tried it so i cant say that it will work. |
| [16:30:59] | phunyguy_work: | but theroetically it should |
| [16:31:36] | pak0: | sounds good |
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| [16:31:58] | pak0: | ill try it |
| [16:32:01] | phunyguy_work: | ok. |
| [16:32:03] | phunyguy_work: | good luck |
| [16:32:11] | pak0: | thank you man |
| [16:32:15] | phunyguy_work: | <3 |
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| [16:33:30] | Essobi: | pak0: Umm. look up the docs on pam automounting.. that'll do what you want I believe.. |
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| [16:35:49] | phunyguy_work: | hmm good call :) |
| [16:36:00] | phunyguy_work: | <--- noob |
| [16:36:22] | phunyguy_work: | hmm |
| [16:36:26] | phunyguy_work: | speaking of noob |
| [16:36:32] | phunyguy_work: | almost got freeswitch set up |
| [16:36:34] | phunyguy_work: | ;) |
| [16:36:43] | sphery: | Essobi: did you check your playback profile settings? You probably want to change the playback profile group to Slim (you probably have CPU+ right now) |
| [16:37:09] | phunyguy_work: | slim – ewww |
| [16:37:26] | phunyguy_work: | :) |
| [16:37:32] | sphery: | slim ftw! |
| [16:37:51] | phunyguy_work: | i have mine on CPU++ or whatever the highest is |
| [16:37:53] | phunyguy_work: | no issues |
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| [16:38:10] | pak0: | thanks essobi, i look the docs but dont find it, my english sux, apologize |
| [16:38:13] | sphery: | well, anyone starting with myth should not aim for the most complex setup to start :) |
| [16:38:21] | Essobi: | sphery: I'll check that, thanks. |
| [16:38:22] | phunyguy_work: | true |
| [16:38:28] | phunyguy_work: | but it works nontheless. |
| [16:38:55] | Essobi: | sphery: What's slim vs CPU+ mean? |
| [16:39:13] | Essobi: | pak0: Try googling for pam automount |
| [16:39:18] | phunyguy_work: | different deinterlacers – etc |
| [16:39:27] | Essobi: | ah |
| [16:39:37] | phunyguy_work: | playback processing |
| [16:39:43] | phunyguy_work: | normal raw video looks terrible. |
| [16:39:46] | sphery: | I think we should change the name of Slim because people seem to think it sounds like a bad thing (and /my/ computer isn't a wimpy one, so I'm sure I can handle all the advanced stuff--just like I do when I configure my Windows games...) |
| [16:39:58] | phunyguy_work: | liek if you played the recording files with default settings on mplayer |
| [16:40:36] | sphery: | funny thing is that Slim is almost exactly the default settings of 0.20 and below playback |
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| [16:41:22] | phunyguy_work: | hsd1, is that san diego? |
| [16:41:28] | phunyguy_work: | nuonguy? |
| [16:43:07] | Essobi: | sphery: Umm.. It's a 2.8Ghz P4/1M/800mhz... is that sketchy for using CPU+? |
| [16:43:20] | phunyguy_work: | hmm |
| [16:43:24] | phunyguy_work: | what video? |
| [16:44:10] | iamlindoro: | Essobi: You're missing what sphery is saying-- CPU+ will *not* give you better video quality than Slim |
| [16:44:32] | iamlindoro: | and yes, that's sketchy for CPU+ |
| [16:44:41] | phunyguy_work: | oh great. |
| [16:44:46] | phunyguy_work: | it's /that/ guy... |
| [16:44:47] | phunyguy_work: | ;) |
| [16:44:49] | phunyguy_work: | sup man. |
| [16:45:30] | Essobi: | iamlindoro: Oh.. heh. |
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| [16:46:00] | Essobi: | iamlindoro: Really? xawtv registeres less then 1% load with playback.... |
| [16:46:19] | iamlindoro: | xawtv and myth have little to nothing to do with one another |
| [16:46:40] | ** phunyguy_work steps away slowly... ** | |
| [16:46:56] | Quantumstate: | Anyone else compiling MythTV-fixes plugins? MythWeather has no screens. |
| [16:47:19] | Quantumstate: | There was a permissions problem a while back, but that's been fixed. |
| [16:47:40] | Quantumstate: | The plugin's getting installed, but no screens in Setup. |
| [16:48:26] | gbee: | Quantumstate: look at the logs, it probably can't find or run the grabber scripts |
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| [16:49:25] | Quantumstate: | Thank you gbee. "Base class package "XML::SAX::Base" is empty." |
| [16:49:58] | Quantumstate: | "Can't locate XML/Simple.pm in @INC" |
| [16:50:24] | Quantumstate: | "Can't locate Date/Manip.pm in @INC" |
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| [16:51:25] | Quantumstate: | (Perhaps you need to 'use' the module which defines that package first, |
| [16:51:26] | Quantumstate: | or make that module available in @INC |
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| [17:00:29] | gbee: | did you install from packages? |
| [17:04:21] | clever: | he allready mentioned he was compiling the plugins |
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| [17:07:27] | Shadow__X: | hey iamlindoro hows it goin today hope all is well |
| [17:07:54] | iamlindoro: | Yep, all is well, thanks for asking-- stuck at work but that's life in the big city for you |
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| [17:08:31] | xris: | newegg hard drive sale is so tempting... |
| [17:08:37] | Shadow__X: | yup but beats being homeless 4 out of 5 homeless people agree |
| [17:09:15] | iamlindoro: | xris: Yes, sphery tempted me and I'm actually buying a gaggle for work right now |
| [17:09:30] | Shadow__X: | its so nice out too |
| [17:09:31] | iamlindoro: | Still on the fence about getting an HVR-2250 |
| [17:09:34] | xris: | iamlindoro: I could use 3 to replace the old raid in my file server |
| [17:09:40] | xris: | would free up a bunch of space on my mythbox |
| [17:10:01] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X: Yeah, particularly here... rode my motorcycle for the first time in forever, hopefully the beginning of a trenc |
| [17:10:03] | iamlindoro: | trend |
| [17:10:06] | Shadow__X: | well doesn't it make sense to wait for it to have linux support |
| [17:10:19] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X: As of yesterday, it does |
| [17:10:40] | Shadow__X: | hmm yeah i am finishing up finals and left over work so i can get out and be free even for a week or to |
| [17:10:43] | xris: | iamlindoro: but I just bought 2 new g1s, so adding another $250 to my expenses this month probably isn't wise. |
| [17:10:45] | sphery: | and you can always use it to slice tomatoes if it doesn't work well, yet |
| [17:10:48] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, oh is it now very tempting |
| [17:10:49] | sphery: | (cutting edge, and all) |
| [17:11:09] | iamlindoro: | sphery: But it's PCIe x1, the cutting edge is so tiny! ;) |
| [17:11:17] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:11:28] | Shadow__X: | xris, i will buy a g1 off of you for 125 so you can buy a hd |
| [17:11:34] | iamlindoro: | xris: heh, that's why I can safely put this part on the company's tab and continue to think about the HVR-2250 :) |
| [17:11:52] | sphery: | xris: that's a good deal because the 1TB Green's are only $84.99 |
| [17:12:04] | sphery: | (ignoring the whole cost of the G1, that is :) |
| [17:12:08] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [17:12:15] | Shadow__X: | i was being generous |
| [17:12:16] | xris: | sphery: yeah, it's a very good deal |
| [17:12:36] | xris: | Shadow__X: I like my new g1, sorry. and my wife likes hers even more. |
| [17:12:43] | sphery: | still, real FOSS people want OpenMoko paperwei^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hphones |
| [17:12:45] | xris: | even if I *did* find a bug in android's browser. |
| [17:13:05] | Shadow__X: | i was kidding though i am on vzw and dont want tmobile |
| [17:13:39] | xris: | I like a smaller phone bill |
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| [17:13:45] | xris: | vzw is way too expensive. |
| [17:13:57] | Quantumstate: | Well gbee, that was deceptively difficult. After much labor over the frontend log I've found that Mythweather needs |
| [17:14:01] | Quantumstate: | libxml-parser-perl libxml-perl libxml-libxml-perl libxml-simple-perl libdate-manip-perl libsoap-lite-perl libimage-size-perl |
| [17:14:02] | sphery: | I was considering leaving t-mobile until they gave me (and everyone who had been a t-mobile customer for at least 2 yrs) unlimited anytime minutes for $49.99 |
| [17:14:03] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [17:14:12] | Shadow__X: | its ok i get a 50 % discount now |
| [17:14:20] | xris: | Shadow__X: that's nice |
| [17:14:25] | Shadow__X: | yeah |
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| [17:15:02] | Shadow__X: | also if i went away from vzw i would not have waf in my phone |
| [17:15:07] | Shadow__X: | which would not be good |
| [17:15:12] | sphery: | Sounds like it would be a good thing to somehow package up a build of MythTV that includes MythWeather and all its required perl modules... Perhaps one day we'll have the technology. |
| [17:15:18] | Quantumstate: | Thanks for the crucial help gbee! |
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| [17:16:00] | Quantumstate: | sphery: Maybe a better idea would be to include the R5000 patch so I wouldn't have to compile... |
| [17:17:09] | sphery: | yeah, actually, there's nothing wrong with compiling--I was just joking about that... Just trying to imply that if you choose to compile, you get to do some extra work that would otherwise be done for you. |
| [17:17:44] | Quantumstate: | Understand. But the R5000-HD patch has been ready for some time. |
| [17:18:03] | sphery: | yeah... I've seen the discussion. |
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| [17:18:53] | Quantumstate: | I've drawn up a HowTo, in case it ever happens. |
| [17:19:25] | Quantumstate: | Anyway, thanks gbeee! |
| [17:20:43] | iamlindoro: | "Ready" is sort of a decision to be made by the person owning the ticket |
| [17:21:09] | stuarta: | tickets... hmmm.... must get around to closing some... |
| [17:21:09] | Quantumstate: | Alan's asked that it be included. |
| [17:21:20] | iamlindoro: | Quantumstate: But.. Alan isn't a Myth dv |
| [17:21:23] | iamlindoro: | dev |
| [17:21:37] | iamlindoro: | daniel owns the ticket last I checked |
| [17:21:55] | iamlindoro: | Ticket author != ticket owner |
| [17:22:00] | Quantumstate: | OK, I'll see what Daniel thinks. |
| [17:22:32] | stuarta: | just don't go sticking "can this be committed" type comments on the ticket |
| [17:22:47] | stuarta: | or several of us will be forced to hurt you |
| [17:22:54] | laga: | rotfl |
| [17:23:06] | Quantumstate: | Don't worry... I only stick annoying comments on tickets... |
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| [17:43:37] | robert`: | I can't for the life of me find the setting to change the background of MythVideo frm |
| [17:43:51] | robert`: | I can't for the life of me find the setting to change the background of MythVideo from "grey" to "black". Where can I find this? Googling is futile. |
| [17:44:43] | GreyFoxx: | the menu background > |
| [17:44:45] | GreyFoxx: | ? |
| [17:44:51] | GreyFoxx: | that would be in your theme xml files |
| [17:45:15] | robert`: | Oh it keeps your menu settings through all modules? |
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| [17:45:41] | gbee: | or the video? Default is black, grey is optional for plasma users |
| [17:45:45] | GreyFoxx: | the theme defines all background/highlight images and font and such |
| [17:46:11] | robert`: | I gotcha. It's grey and I would prefer black. Especially since most widescreen videos have black bars on them. |
| [17:46:15] | robert`: | Perfect. That should be easy |
| [17:46:47] | robert`: | Any chance for minimyth questions here? Battling a small issue with my video database creating duplicates. Want to run couples options by. |
| [17:46:51] | GreyFoxx: | ok if you mean during video playback itself that would be different |
| [17:46:55] | robert`: | Yeah |
| [17:46:57] | robert`: | during playback |
| [17:47:05] | GreyFoxx: | no idea on that |
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| [17:47:15] | robert`: | Bummer. I can't seem to find it anywhere |
| [17:47:43] | robert`: | I've been browsing my sql db to find it as well. |
| [17:47:52] | gbee: | you must have changed it in the first place, you can't remember? |
| [17:48:06] | iamlindoro: | Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, most likely |
| [17:48:22] | robert`: | I didn't. I installed mythbuntu. And thought they changed it but I can't find the info on their support pages/forums. |
| [17:48:28] | gbee: | yup, second page (in trunk), Letterboxing Colour |
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| [17:48:46] | robert`: | Hmm.. don't remember that option.. I'll go through setup again |
| [17:48:47] | stuarta: | ffs, something in head is causing my root fs to fill up |
| [17:48:58] | ** stuarta finds a bigger stick ** | |
| [17:49:07] | iamlindoro: | HULK SMASH |
| [17:49:12] | gbee: | stuarta: verbose logging? |
| [17:49:28] | stuarta: | /var is separate |
| [17:49:38] | gbee: | ok |
| [17:49:48] | stuarta: | as is /usr /home/ /music /tmp |
| [17:49:55] | stuarta: | and all my storage directories |
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| [17:50:12] | clever: | du --max=1 / | sort -n |
| [17:50:13] | gbee: | personally I don't bother with a separate /var – cue admonishments from all and sundry |
| [17:50:19] | robert`: | Is there a good way to load videos onto a networked frontend? I get duplicate entries in my video db. I also don't get my covers sent over. Am I missing the proper way to send out video directory? I'm using nfs to mount the dir. |
| [17:50:47] | gbee: | three partitions on the primary drive is enough for me – / /home and swap |
| [17:50:54] | clever: | robert`: are you mounting it to the same place? |
| [17:51:10] | clever: | gbee: ive got that setup on some of my newer systems :) |
| [17:51:12] | gbee: | all media is kept on additional drives |
| [17:51:14] | robert`: | ..clever: i used to.. i changed to /mnt/video which was my problem. i was goign to switch it back but never did get covers to go over |
| [17:51:28] | iamlindoro: | So Zotac has an ION DIY board coming out in the next couple weeks |
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| [17:51:44] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, no pci slots and non atx power :) |
| [17:51:54] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: IMO both *good* things |
| [17:52:04] | iamlindoro: | Well. the former I'm indifferent on, the latter is good |
| [17:52:15] | GreyFoxx: | anything that limits what I can put in it sucks :) |
| [17:52:30] | GreyFoxx: | usb is not the droids I'm looking for |
| [17:52:44] | gbee: | robert`: covers need to be manually copied over or redownloaded for each frontend in 0.21 – that changes with 0.22 but until then ... |
| [17:52:45] | iamlindoro: | Since the point is to build a slim frontend, and everything necessary to that is already on board, what would you use PCI for? |
| [17:53:00] | laga: | backend. :) |
| [17:53:05] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Dunno, but without a pci slot I will never find out :0 |
| [17:53:12] | GreyFoxx: | and some want a combo backend/frontend :) |
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| [17:53:28] | robert`: | ..gbee: I gotcha. Do they have to remain in the same path for the frontend to see them? (Same path as backend) |
| [17:53:31] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: IM(H)O ION isn't the right hardware for that anyway |
| [17:53:53] | gbee: | aye, I'd like to see an option for a combo fe/be and also a small, low power BE – it's not all about the FE ;) |
| [17:54:23] | GreyFoxx: | I want an atom/ion with 6 sata slots and 2 or more pci |
| [17:54:38] | gbee: | robert`: same path on each machine, e.g. if they are in ~/.mythtv/MythVideo/ then they need to be there on all machines |
| [17:54:55] | GreyFoxx: | heherobert: I keep my covers in adirectory that I mount on all my machines |
| [17:55:04] | robert`: | ..gbee: perfect.. think im all figured out now |
| [17:55:05] | GreyFoxx: | so no matter which one downloads the cover it will be available on all |
| [17:55:10] | gbee: | or that ^^ |
| [17:55:43] | gbee: | same applies though, the NFS mount needs to be in the same place and the paths in mythvideo settings amended accordingly |
| [17:56:44] | stuarta: | biab |
| [17:57:04] | gbee: | looking forward to the storage group support in mythvideo being completed |
| [17:57:14] | robert`: | ..gbee: that would be handy |
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| [18:01:34] | pak0: | anyone have hauppaugue HVR-300? |
| [18:01:53] | pak0: | i look for best support using that card under myhttv, only need dvb-t |
| [18:02:07] | pak0: | i think is better under 8,10, but the remote dont work fine |
| [18:03:18] | gbee: | they don't make the Nova-T anymore? |
| [18:06:05] | sphery: | iamlindoro: mpg2cut2 worked great... now to see if I can transcode the resulting cut video |
| [18:06:20] | stuarta: | ah crap, that was stupid of me |
| [18:06:35] | stuarta: | my /myth dir is supposed to only be mount points |
| [18:06:49] | stuarta: | however /myth/dev was being used, but not as a mountpoint |
| [18:06:57] | stuarta: | !trout self |
| [18:06:57] | ** MythLogBot slaps self with a trout on behalf of stuarta... ** | |
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| [18:07:32] | Gumby: | I use an mce remote/ir receiver. I'm needing to setup an ir blaster but Ive lost the one that plugs into the ir receiver. Does anyone know if its possible to just create my own that plugs into the IR receiver? |
| [18:07:44] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Nice, good to hear it, hope it works for you |
| [18:08:05] | sphery: | So, CW is officially annoying. I missed an episode of Supernatural because a different channel changed frequencies causing my tuner cards to fail to tune that channel and whatever channel was tuned immediately following. So, I figured I'd watch it on Hulu. Turns out Hulu doesn't have CW material--they link to the CW site. So, I tried that. Turns out they *require* Windows or Mac OS. So, I finally had to boot into Windows ... |
| [18:08:12] | sphery: | ... and went to watch it and they only make the last 2 episodes aired available (so it's no longer there). |
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| [18:08:36] | sphery: | trying to decode whether to buy it on amazon or XBox 360 or just wait for a re-run... |
| [18:09:10] | sphery: | decide, that is |
| [18:10:17] | iamlindoro: | They tend to run a lot of reruns of it, don't they? |
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| [18:11:10] | clever: | warz!!! |
| [18:12:38] | sphery: | only reruns when they're out of episodes (i.e. during the summer after the season ends--so starting in 2 weeks)... Looks like the first rerun is the first episode of the season, so it may be a while. :( |
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| [18:23:34] | keith4: | I think I see a new myth frontend in my future: http://hothardware.com/Articles/Zotac-NVIDIA-Ion-Motherboard/ |
| [18:23:59] | robert`: | Awesome! Everything is working great. Thanks for the tips. Got the letterbox color set to black. Got mythvideo using all the same dirs and not duplicating and showing covers. |
| [18:24:11] | robert`: | Only thing I need to figure out now is a remote for my mini-itx (minimyth) box. |
| [18:24:40] | robert`: | I actually have a hauppauge pvr-250 (grey) remote but no irda device compatible with lircd. |
| [18:25:27] | robert`: | Anyone recommend a small and inexpensive device for receiving irda? I tried a usb one but found out later that it wasn't capable of this activity. |
| [18:26:16] | robert`: | Epia ME6000 board/cpu. |
| [18:26:50] | keith4: | I'm generally satisfied with my IguanaIR receiver |
| [18:27:07] | keith4: | http://iguanaworks.net/projects/IguanaIR/wiki/GettingStarted |
| [18:27:09] | robert`: | googling now |
| [18:28:23] | robert`: | wow $40. |
| [18:29:36] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Have you ever tried cinelarra for cutting/transcoding stubborn recordings? (I'm /really/ wanting to find some *nix tool.) |
| [18:29:54] | sphery: | keith4: do you have the usb one? |
| [18:30:06] | keith4: | yes |
| [18:30:25] | sphery: | does it still require running some weird daemon and/or kernel module? |
| [18:30:30] | keith4: | yep |
| [18:30:36] | keith4: | but it's packaged |
| [18:30:47] | keith4: | and it seems okay |
| [18:30:55] | iamlindoro: | sphery: No, I haven't-- If i had found *nix tool that did the job, I definitely would not resort to WINE |
| [18:30:57] | keith4: | i've had it for over a year, now |
| [18:30:57] | robert`: | I have some cheap usb one. I can get it to show up but can't find out of there is some crazy method of getting it to work. |
| [18:31:34] | robert`: | KingSun KS-959 IRDA/USB found at address 2, Vendor: 7d0, Product: 4959 |
| [18:31:35] | robert`: | ks959_sir: IrDA: Registered KingSun KS-959 device irda0 |
| [18:31:35] | robert`: | usbcore: registered new interface driver ks959-sir |
| [18:31:42] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, not saying cinelarra would do it, but just hoping to find out success/non-success before going to the trouble of installing it and then figuring it out (as it's a bear) |
| [18:31:53] | keith4: | yah, cinelarra is a beast |
| [18:32:02] | iamlindoro: | note that IRDA is *not* the same as traditional remote control IR |
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| [18:32:11] | keith4: | it's aimed at Final Cut audience, isn't it? |
| [18:32:15] | sphery: | keith4: cool... I still wonder why they need more than just the LIRC stuff |
| [18:32:28] | robert`: | ..iamlindoro: Completely different protocol needed? |
| [18:32:37] | iamlindoro: | yes, totally different |
| [18:32:40] | robert`: | ok |
| [18:32:48] | keith4: | sphery: it is a bit weird, yah... but it also means that when their code segfaults, it doesn't hose anything except the user-space daemon |
| [18:33:03] | sphery: | keith4: have you ever tried using cinelarra to cut/transcode a stubborn recording (i.e. I have one that if I just transcode--not even cutting--with avidemux2, I get a >30s A/V sync offset) |
| [18:33:38] | sphery: | when I say one, I really mean one channel. :) |
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| [18:34:16] | sphery: | NBC has the best DRM I've ever seen on their recordings--they make it /very/ hard to change anything about them |
| [18:34:40] | iamlindoro: | I'm hoping the $125M that just got approved for putting up repeaters for "affected" areas after the digital transition brings ATSC reception to my place |
| [18:34:56] | keith4: | sphery: i tried cinelarra once, but gave up. i do occasionally use "kino" |
| [18:35:09] | keith4: | kino is more like.... iMovie level |
| [18:35:11] | sphery: | kino doesn't do mpeg, though, does it? |
| [18:35:36] | keith4: | http://www.kinodv.org/article/static/2 |
| [18:35:38] | sphery: | I also wonder how much of KDE libs is required for it (as that's a road I don't want to go down) |
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| [18:36:58] | sphery: | I still don't understand the idea of "non-linear editing" (and how it differs from "linear"), but I'm assuming I could do a simple commercial cut/transcode with a non-linear editor. |
| [18:37:48] | iamlindoro: | an NLE can work on portions of the source matrial |
| [18:37:56] | sphery: | can't tell if kino reads mpeg or just exports it |
| [18:38:56] | sphery: | nice... there's a vi mode for kino |
| [18:39:01] | iamlindoro: | LE is like cutting between multiple live feeds (usually done by a director) |
| [18:39:17] | iamlindoro: | so, more or less, an NLE allows "random access" |
| [18:39:36] | sphery: | interesting |
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| [18:39:44] | sphery: | best explanation I've seen so far |
| [18:39:47] | sphery: | thx |
| [18:39:57] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [18:40:45] | iamlindoro: | LE has its place, obviously (live sports events, etc.) but NLE is pretty much anything the average person considers "video editing" these days |
| [18:41:12] | sphery: | so, it seems I'm not up to average, yet |
| [18:41:18] | sphery: | I'm still stuck in 1994 |
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| [18:41:58] | iamlindoro: | Well, you wouldn't consider "video editing" to be watching multiple screens of multiple shotsand switching between them as the final result is recorded, would you? |
| [18:42:00] | keith4: | if you can wait a few hours, I could check when I get home (if kino will open myth recordings without bitching) |
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| [18:42:40] | sphery: | keith4: cool... I'd appreciate that. |
| [18:42:57] | keith4: | you're interesting in mpeg2 support, right? |
| [18:43:03] | sphery: | yeah, mpeg-2 |
| [18:43:27] | iamlindoro: | http://www.kinodv.org/article/static/2 |
| [18:43:38] | iamlindoro: | Strongly implies that the only import format is DV |
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| [18:45:27] | sphery: | so, HW does cinelarra ( http://www.heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php ), but doesn't accept community help or help community, so cinelarra-cv (community version – http://cinelerra.org/ ) is created to help community/take patches/etc, but now it seems that they've changed to lumiera ( http://lumiera.org/ ) |
| [18:45:53] | sphery: | though lumiera is not yet usable |
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| [18:47:08] | iamlindoro: | "Since it's Linux, it's been 64 bit compliant for years." |
| [18:47:09] | iamlindoro: | Hehe |
| [18:47:20] | sphery: | nice... cinelarra-cv on livecd's |
| [18:47:28] | iamlindoro: | Because being on linux magically makes your software 64 bit capable |
| [18:47:35] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
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| [18:48:23] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, just because linux is 64bit compliant doesnt mean java firefox and flash agree |
| [18:48:25] | sphery: | I'm still amazed how much rather critical software still has to be patched for a) 64-bit large file handling or b) x86_64 |
| [18:48:28] | Shadow__X: | and yes they work |
| [18:48:36] | Shadow__X: | but they are buggy |
| [18:48:43] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X: You are missing the context |
| [18:48:53] | iamlindoro: | it's not talking about linux, it's referring to cinelarra |
| [18:48:55] | sphery: | Shadow__X: though now sun (oracle?) actually has a 64-bit java plugin |
| [18:49:04] | iamlindoro: | It's a quote from their web site re: their software |
| [18:49:26] | Shadow__X: | ah ok my mistake |
| [18:49:34] | Shadow__X: | i will be more aware of context next |
| [18:49:40] | Shadow__X: | but yay for further development |
| [18:49:57] | Shadow__X: | and heh years ago it didnt exist so things are def getting better |
| [18:50:17] | iamlindoro: | There's also 64 bit flash |
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| [18:50:24] | iamlindoro: | (and has been for 8 or so months) |
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| [18:50:41] | iamlindoro: | Which you'll be happy to know sucks just as badly as 32 bit flash |
| [18:50:53] | varietypack: | Is there a TV Tuner for pc that I can use to still get my digital channels inthe 200's and etc. I'd like to eliminate my cable box from comcast and use the tuner. |
| [18:51:16] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, yeah i know flash and linux dont really mix that well as of yet |
| [18:51:26] | iamlindoro: | s/linux/computers/ |
| [18:51:31] | iamlindoro: | There, FTFY |
| [18:51:44] | Shadow__X: | ftfy? |
| [18:52:05] | iamlindoro: | Fixed That For You |
| [18:52:16] | Shadow__X: | ah ok gotcha thank you good sir |
| [18:52:41] | varietypack: | Please and thanks to anyone that can help. |
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| [18:53:14] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: So, should I buy a 2250 and have MOAR QAM? |
| [18:53:15] | Shadow__X: | varietypack, a good amount of digital channels are encrypted |
| [18:53:24] | iamlindoro: | most, in fact |
| [18:53:37] | Shadow__X: | so you will not beable to just simply do what you want |
| [18:53:39] | varietypack: | Shadow__X: So I won't be able to get like ESPN HD in the 800's ? |
| [18:53:47] | mkrufky: | u'll *never* need more than 3 |
| [18:53:54] | Shadow__X: | highly doubtful |
| [18:53:54] | mkrufky: | but it nice to have |
| [18:54:00] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro: http://www.endofshow.com/2009/05/11/the-next- . . . t-comic-con/ |
| [18:54:09] | varietypack: | So I'm stucking having to connect my box ey :( |
| [18:54:10] | varietypack: | ? |
| [18:54:11] | mkrufky: | stoth also ^ |
| [18:54:14] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: I have three in the box right now, but it's the first tuner to tempt me in a while, thanks to stoth |
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| [18:54:25] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: Dollhouse is doomed :( |
| [18:54:26] | Shadow__X: | varietypack, so your best bet is use your cable box |
| [18:54:34] | mkrufky: | fringe isnt :-) |
| [18:54:44] | varietypack: | Shadow__X: thanks for your help, good day. |
| [18:54:45] | mkrufky: | olivia dunham is going to turn the wheel in the orchid, tonight |
| [18:55:06] | Shadow__X: | heh the linked episode was funny i thought they tried that as a stunt to get more ratings |
| [18:55:09] | Shadow__X: | varietypack, yup |
| [18:55:10] | ** iamlindoro refrains from a "tun the wheel on my orchid" joke ** | |
| [18:55:13] | iamlindoro: | turn |
| [18:55:29] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: I'm frustrated, Dollhouse has been *good* |
| [18:55:34] | mkrufky: | very good |
| [18:55:40] | mkrufky: | "i cant be my best" |
| [18:55:57] | iamlindoro: | And for the finale to get the lowest ratings of the series... ugh |
| [18:56:09] | mkrufky: | oh, beware ... iTV says fringe got pushed back a half hour tonight |
| [18:56:15] | mkrufky: | but SD doesnt say that |
| [18:56:24] | mkrufky: | i didnt look yet to see what eit says |
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| [18:56:41] | mkrufky: | the finale kinda sucked |
| [18:56:54] | mkrufky: | i mean... yeah i was entertained.... but i dont buy it |
| [18:56:59] | iamlindoro: | I show it from 9:04–10:07 |
| [18:56:59] | ** sphery goes to pad his Fringe with an extra 30mins ** | |
| [18:57:13] | iamlindoro: | erm, that's with my 6 minutes of pad |
| [18:57:19] | mkrufky: | maybe iTV goofed and interpreted the 4 minutes late as 30 minutes |
| [18:57:22] | iamlindoro: | so 9:04 to 10, I guess |
| [18:57:38] | iamlindoro: | 10:01 |
| [18:57:40] | mkrufky: | well, anybody with a tivo is going to have a bad recording ;-) (itv is tivo's iphone app) |
| [18:57:50] | Shadow__X: | lol |
| [18:58:02] | Shadow__X: | anyone feel like the black guy from fringe looks weird |
| [18:58:04] | mkrufky: | i installed it cuz its informative ... and mymote doesnt work for me |
| [18:58:07] | Shadow__X: | or atleast walks weird |
| [18:58:13] | iamlindoro: | Fox themselves say 9 |
| [18:58:20] | mkrufky: | yeah hes wierd .. i love him , Shadow__X |
| [18:58:21] | Shadow__X: | almost as if his frame was actually bigger than it really is |
| [19:01:07] | iamlindoro: | !trout Shadow__X metaphor |
| [19:01:07] | ** MythLogBot slaps Shadow__X with a metaphor trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
| [19:01:21] | iamlindoro: | And you'll get more like that every time you use a nonsense metaphor, young man |
| [19:01:44] | iamlindoro: | It's almost like yellow is really pineapple! |
| [19:02:37] | stoth: | mkrufky: they killed the Dolls? B*stards! |
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| [19:03:58] | iamlindoro: | stoth: http://www.endofshow.com/2009/05/11/breaking- . . . use-renewed/ |
| [19:04:03] | mkrufky: | people comment about the link without reading it first |
| [19:04:03] | iamlindoro: | Hope spring eternal |
| [19:04:36] | iamlindoro: | springs |
| [19:04:55] | mkrufky: | ...and fringe got renewed, too .. stoth |
| [19:05:06] | stoth: | yeah, good news on that. |
| [19:05:15] | stoth: | Dollhouse sucks so bad I have to watch it. |
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| [19:05:21] | mkrufky: | MythLogBot: where are your logs again ? |
| [19:05:32] | iamlindoro: | "FOX have responded. “The series has not been renewed yet. Any renewal announcement would be made at the upfront Presentation a week from today.”" |
| [19:05:37] | ** mkrufky thinkgs that bot should learn how to answer such questions ** | |
| [19:05:45] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [19:05:49] | mkrufky: | thanks |
| [19:06:24] | ** iamlindoro LogBot replies "You're welcome Mr. Krufky. I do so enjoy when you wear that lacy thing at the computer Mr. Krufky." ** | |
| [19:06:38] | mkrufky: | ...how about when im NOT wearing it? |
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| [19:06:48] | sphery: | I'm kind of surprised Beirdo doesn't have some command in there to provide the link to the logs |
| [19:06:54] | ** iamlindoro dies a little inside ** | |
| [19:07:03] | iamlindoro: | MythLogBot: help |
| [19:07:09] | iamlindoro: | MythLogBot: list |
| [19:07:21] | mkrufky: | the link is shown to us when we join the room... but its usually in a pvt IM which most people close as a reflex |
| [19:07:27] | sphery: | url looks interesting |
| [19:07:44] | iamlindoro: | MythLogBot: url |
| [19:07:52] | sphery: | goes in my status window, which scrolls off after several days |
| [19:07:55] | iamlindoro: | or not |
| [19:08:08] | sphery: | wouldn't you use it like trout? |
| [19:08:09] | iamlindoro: | MythLogBotL notice |
| [19:08:14] | iamlindoro: | MythLogBot: notice |
| [19:08:14] | MythLogBot: | This channel (#mythtv-users) is logged — http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [19:08:17] | iamlindoro: | that's it |
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| [19:08:19] | meshe: | MythLogBot: help url |
| [19:08:42] | meshe: | MythLogBot: url list |
| [19:08:42] | MythLogBot: | No match for keyword list |
| [19:08:52] | iamlindoro: | notice is what he wanted, it seems |
| [19:09:01] | mkrufky: | yeah ill remember that for the future |
| [19:09:05] | mkrufky: | thanks :-) |
| [19:09:10] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [19:09:12] | sphery: | that is cool |
| [19:09:26] | stoth: | Who said Fringe was on late tonight? |
| [19:09:30] | sphery: | can you PM MLB to get that help? |
| [19:09:33] | mkrufky: | i did, and i think i was wrong |
| [19:09:40] | mkrufky: | stoth: 9:04 – 9:58 or so |
| [19:09:40] | iamlindoro: | sphery: yes |
| [19:09:41] | stoth: | 9:04 according to titantv. |
| [19:09:49] | mkrufky: | yeah false alarm |
| [19:09:53] | mkrufky: | iTV has bad info |
| [19:09:53] | sphery: | but that's the great thing about Myth--you can just put a very long overrecord, just in case :) |
| [19:10:19] | stoth: | yes |
| [19:10:29] | sphery: | either way, I'm getting the whole thing (5min early and 35min late :) |
| [19:10:32] | iamlindoro: | especially if you have one of the KrufkyToth 2250s |
| [19:10:59] | iamlindoro: | I can already tell I'm going to end up buying one in spite of already having plenty of tuners |
| [19:11:08] | stoth: | oops'ing driver 2250's, get it right iamlindoro :) |
| [19:11:21] | sphery: | yeah, I need some new KrufkyToth cards... They probably wouldn't have gone crazy after my CBS station changed freq's. (I guess they freq'ed out!) |
| [19:11:26] | iamlindoro: | stoth: Oh? Whoops. :) |
| [19:11:29] | sphery: | my HD-3000's did, that is |
| [19:11:42] | iamlindoro: | stoth: So you're saying maybe *next* week, then :) |
| [19:11:54] | stoth: | iamlindoro: I'm shaking the bugs out, it's been released. |
| [19:11:58] | sphery: | tomatoes until then :) |
| [19:11:59] | iamlindoro: | yeah, saw |
| [19:12:26] | iamlindoro: | stoth: Knew the driver was out, which is what has prompted my recent/renewed interest |
| [19:12:47] | sphery: | you know you're wasting time on that one-day only $10 off at newegg... |
| [19:13:01] | Shadow__X: | lol |
| [19:13:45] | robert`: | ..stoth: Is the hvr-2250 living up to the hype? I know you been workin on it and it seems like the card "to have". |
| [19:13:59] | iamlindoro: | Blah, I'm dieting to further reduce body fat to improve my marathon time this year-- but all my food tastes like crap |
| [19:14:16] | iamlindoro: | Can't even enjoy mealtime, blargh |
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| [19:14:26] | Shadow__X: | how many miles do you run |
| [19:14:32] | Shadow__X: | and have you had the runners high yet |
| [19:14:55] | ** sphery guesses 26mi 385yards ** | |
| [19:15:10] | iamlindoro: | I've run up to about 35 at a stretch, but only very very infrequently had any sort of "runners high" |
| [19:15:17] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Almost responded with that ;) |
| [19:15:21] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:15:45] | stoth: | robert`: I love the card, works great. A few bugs remain but a solid solution for DTV. |
| [19:15:58] | Shadow__X: | ah ok thats good i was training for a mini marathon at one point but responsibilities took over i think over the summer i am going to get back into it |
| [19:16:16] | robert`: | ..stuarta: Thinking a couple of those in a backend would be nice. |
| [19:16:19] | robert`: | err stoth |
| [19:16:20] | iamlindoro: | Helps to have people to train with, I highly recommend a local team or organization of some kind |
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| [19:16:33] | iamlindoro: | The local triathlon club is all hot, fit single women |
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| [19:16:43] | Shadow__X: | does mythtv already support the hvr-2250 |
| [19:16:53] | Shadow__X: | heh |
| [19:16:59] | mkrufky: | mythtv doesnt support ANY ATSC / DVB cards |
| [19:17:00] | iamlindoro: | Or as I like to call them, "The drinking club with a running problem." |
| [19:17:05] | mkrufky: | mythtv just lets you use them |
| [19:17:09] | mkrufky: | the drivers are in the kernel |
| [19:17:34] | Shadow__X: | mkrufky, yeah sorry i meant to say that because mythtv doesnt know how to use the hvr-1800 and if i get off my ass i think i can patch that |
| [19:17:37] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: He's likely referring to mythTV freaking out when trying to use the HVR-1800 |
| [19:17:45] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [19:17:47] | Shadow__X: | right you are |
| [19:17:51] | mkrufky: | so to answer your question, Shadow__X, mythtv doesnt have to support it — your kernel has to |
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| [19:18:02] | Shadow__X: | unless its a hvr-1800 |
| [19:18:04] | Shadow__X: | :( |
| [19:18:07] | iamlindoro: | And to further answer it, stoth wrote it while testing it on myth, so sounds like a safe bet ;) |
| [19:20:18] | Shadow__X: | ah ok and who knows maybe i will get the patch to have mythtv play nice with my hvr1800 |
| [19:20:29] | Shadow__X: | does it take that much i dont know what it would involve |
| [19:21:25] | iamlindoro: | Does what take much? The Myth thing is a bug, so it probably takes semi-intimate knowledge of the DTV recorder |
| [19:21:36] | iamlindoro: | (assuming you're speaking about getting the HVR-1800 working) |
| [19:21:42] | mkrufky: | i dont have time to help with your hvr1800 problem right now, cuz im at work... however..... |
| [19:21:48] | Shadow__X: | yeah analog is the issue |
| [19:21:51] | mkrufky: | afaik, there is no problem with the hvr1800 |
| [19:22:00] | mkrufky: | other than this think we call "user error" |
| [19:22:04] | mkrufky: | s/think/thing |
| [19:22:14] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: It's a myth bug thing |
| [19:22:21] | Shadow__X: | finally its not me |
| [19:22:21] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: At least, seems so |
| [19:22:36] | mkrufky: | ok, how about i spell it out clearly this time, while everybody is present |
| [19:22:46] | Shadow__X: | in the log mythtv flips out about the hvr-1800 not being a ivtv tuner |
| [19:22:52] | mkrufky: | there is a bug in the cx23885 driver, stoth, that prevents ioctls from coming into video1 |
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| [19:23:08] | mkrufky: | and mythtv has to send ioctls to video0 to control the encoder, which outputs on video1 |
| [19:23:12] | mkrufky: | are you aware of that, stoth? |
| [19:23:16] | Shadow__X: | oh |
| [19:23:22] | ** iamlindoro sits down and listens ** | |
| [19:23:24] | mkrufky: | this particular issue is frustrating mythtv users of the HVR1800 |
| [19:23:33] | stoth: | mkrufky: not specifically, I'd have to look. |
| [19:23:37] | Shadow__X: | so thats the issue it needs to be controlled through video1 |
| [19:23:39] | mkrufky: | stoth: *we* dont see it because we test from the command line |
| [19:23:49] | mkrufky: | stoth: command line tests for this issue will *always* look OK |
| [19:23:57] | stoth: | What fails? |
| [19:24:04] | iamlindoro: | channel changes, etc. |
| [19:24:10] | stoth: | on video1? |
| [19:24:21] | Shadow__X: | yes |
| [19:24:26] | stoth: | Ahh, that I know about |
| [19:24:28] | mkrufky: | stoth: if you block access to video0, then you cant control the encoder anymore |
| [19:24:50] | stoth: | we would forward ioctls between the two devices. |
| [19:24:53] | mkrufky: | stoth: so ..... our favorite tvtime + mplayer test is actually THE REASON why this bug exists |
| [19:25:06] | mkrufky: | because our test method for that device is terribly flawed |
| [19:25:07] | Shadow__X: | i wrote a script that uses ivtv-tune on video1 and that works but mythtv still tries to interpret the tunner although i could of not setup mythtv to properly use the script |
| [19:25:19] | mkrufky: | stoth: if you want to REALLY test it, use mplayer ONLY via v4l2 on video1 |
| [19:25:26] | mkrufky: | and NEVER touch video0 |
| [19:25:38] | mkrufky: | no tvtime allowed |
| [19:25:42] | stoth: | We should forward unsupported ioctls from video1 to video0. |
| [19:25:58] | mkrufky: | "should" and "do" might not coincide ;-) |
| [19:26:28] | stoth: | we don't currently forward ioctls between 1 and 0, we should. |
| [19:26:45] | mkrufky: | aha ... the stoth decoder ring :-) |
| [19:26:52] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [19:27:15] | mkrufky: | therein lies the problem and fix |
| [19:27:15] | stoth: | that would leave video0 working for whoever needs it, and also support the encoder correctly. |
| [19:27:22] | mkrufky: | yup |
| [19:27:50] | stoth: | I'm scheduling some US 885 board testing soon, I'll put this on the list for review. |
| [19:28:22] | Shadow__X: | wow thanks guys |
| [19:28:40] | mkrufky: | this particular one is a long-standing bug ...... if possible to have that fix earlier in your queue marked as priority high, i can backport it to whichever stable kernels need it |
| [19:28:52] | Shadow__X: | so its a driver issue NOT a mythtv issue? |
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| [19:28:59] | iamlindoro: | so it appears |
| [19:29:01] | stoth: | driver bug. |
| [19:29:07] | mkrufky: | exactly, Shadow__X .... mythtv can workaround it, but shouldnt have to |
| [19:29:08] | stoth: | well, not strictly a bug. |
| [19:29:08] | Shadow__X: | hmm ok |
| [19:29:15] | mkrufky: | its totally a bug |
| [19:29:19] | stoth: | lack of feature would be a better description. |
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| [19:29:47] | Shadow__X: | alright well thanks guys atleast i know a little bit more why it doesnt work in the mean time i can see where i messed up with the channel changing script |
| [19:29:56] | mkrufky: | if mythtv understood that video0 is linked to video1 and that video1 is the "data" and video0 is "preview" , then yeah that would be a nice way for mythtv to fix it |
| [19:30:02] | mkrufky: | however mythtv has no concept of "preview" |
| [19:30:13] | mkrufky: | nor should it |
| [19:30:24] | stoth: | yeah, pity about that. Either way I'll see what I can do to ease the myth burden for folks. |
| [19:30:30] | mkrufky: | cool , thanks stoth |
| [19:30:53] | Shadow__X: | thanks mkrufky and thanks stoth |
| [19:31:15] | stoth: | Shadow__X: email me and we'll hook up some time for testing. |
| [19:31:47] | Shadow__X: | sure whats your email |
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| [19:37:07] | ** stoth gives Shadow__X his contact details ** | |
| [19:37:39] | ** Shadow__X fires up spamming bot-5 ** | |
| [19:38:09] | iamlindoro: | SVN up, dude, my^H^H^H^H^H that bot is at -6 now |
| [19:38:41] | Shadow__X: | oh i wasnt aware you updated it |
| [19:38:59] | iamlindoro: | I admit nothing |
| [19:39:31] | iamlindoro: | The cialis subroutine has been rewritten, so I hear |
| [19:39:45] | iamlindoro: | But there's a bug in the levitra plugin |
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| [19:40:21] | Shadow__X: | the xanax filter isnt working just yet |
| [19:41:09] | ** Shadow__X sends email to stoth ** | |
| [19:41:12] | Dagmar: | You could, of course, just be a man about it |
| [19:41:13] | iamlindoro: | The SexxyGirlsInYourHometown add-on has been ported to Qt4 now |
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| [19:54:16] | flexy: | I'm using 0.21-fixes, is it possible to get it to show .raw files from my digital camera? I mean the gallery function, which shows .jpg files and propably others too... |
| [19:55:03] | Dagmar: | Stick one in there and find ou |
| [19:55:04] | Dagmar: | t |
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| [19:55:14] | iamlindoro: | flexy: Not curently |
| [19:55:15] | iamlindoro: | currently |
| [19:55:51] | iamlindoro: | And in fact, not even currently in trunk, which specifically enumarates jpg, png, and gif as the supported extensions |
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| [19:56:12] | iamlindoro: | Would be simple to fix it to find all Qt-supported extensions, though |
| [19:56:33] | hulz: | anybody knows how i can set the network id, while searching channels with dvbscan? |
| [19:56:41] | iamlindoro: | In the meantime you can *try* renaming a RAW file to .png and see what happens, but I don't have a lot of hope for that (but it's worth a shot) |
| [20:00:41] | flexy: | iamlindoro: Ok, I'll try that. Later, sauna is warm, beer is cold and I'll have movies to see after sauna... :) |
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| [20:06:17] | meshe: | flexy: sure, rub it in |
| [20:06:24] | davidm2: | drinking in a sauna? awesome |
| [20:07:49] | flexy: | yeah |
| [20:08:05] | Mozz: | worth trying :) |
| [20:08:13] | meshe: | i wish i had a hot tub again |
| [20:08:23] | flexy: | beer, and some flavoured sausage over the "owen" |
| [20:08:53] | flexy: | when one comes out, I'll have some sausage ready with fifth beer |
| [20:08:58] | flexy: | :) |
| [20:09:59] | Mozz: | what would I do without sauna |
| [20:10:08] | flexy: | mine are habanero flavoured, hers are just cheese sausages |
| [20:10:35] | flexy: | I'll never move to a place without sauna again... |
| [20:11:30] | flexy: | well, I'm afk, sauna is ready, beers are chilled and the lady is hot :) |
| [20:11:32] | Mozz: | sad, that we don't have own sauna |
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| [20:18:55] | GreyFoxx: | I |
| [20:19:33] | Shadow__X: | Me |
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| [20:20:53] | iamlindoro: | HeShe? |
| [20:25:42] | Shadow__X: | IT |
| [20:26:19] | iamlindoro: | Easy, pennywise |
| [20:26:26] | iamlindoro: | We do *not* all float down here |
| [20:26:39] | sphery: | iamlindoro: couldn't transcode after the cut |
| [20:26:58] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Boo |
| [20:27:03] | sphery: | yeah... |
| [20:27:19] | sphery: | Downloading a Knoppix DVD, now... It has cinelarra on it, so I'll test it out. |
| [20:27:27] | sphery: | (may have kino, too) |
| [20:27:29] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Tried a stream copy of the cut version into a new container, then transcode? |
| [20:28:18] | sphery: | what container would you suggest? |
| [20:28:59] | iamlindoro: | Would probably try .ts and failing that, mkv (assuming you intend to manipulate the whole shebang with ffmpeg |
| [20:29:12] | sphery: | so ts->ts just to remux? |
| [20:29:26] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [20:29:45] | sphery: | don't need to use ProjectX to demux first? |
| [20:29:53] | sphery: | just mencoder copy/copy to ts? |
| [20:30:03] | iamlindoro: | well, I personally use ffmpeg, but yeah |
| [20:30:15] | iamlindoro: | Stream copy, check audio sync, then attempt a transcode |
| [20:30:15] | sphery: | or should I transcode the ac-3 to soemthing else? |
| [20:30:41] | sphery: | cool... I'll try |
| [20:30:45] | Dagmar: | ac-4 is what the cool kids are using |
| [20:30:55] | sphery: | it's amazing how many times I've been down this road, gotten bored, and given up |
| [20:31:11] | flexy: | iamlindoro: it did not work. just whitish screen... (renaming .raw to .png to show .raw image in image gallery) |
| [20:31:16] | sphery: | if they weren't cancelling all the good shows whose DVD's I actually buy, I wouldn't have to worry about it |
| [20:31:24] | iamlindoro: | flexy: yeah, didn't expect it to |
| [20:31:43] | iamlindoro: | flexy: Qt3 is a bit old to have RAW support, although I'd expect Qt4 does |
| [20:31:50] | flexy: | iamlindoro: although, renaming gets the image to "show" at the list of pictures. .raw don't show at all... |
| [20:32:04] | iamlindoro: | flexy: Right, because as I mentioned, it only goes by extension |
| [20:32:26] | flexy: | iamlindoro: OK. Well, I'll just have to keep two sets of pictures... .jpg and .raws |
| [20:33:50] | iamlindoro: | and indeed, even Qt 4.5 doesn't support RAW |
| [20:33:50] | iamlindoro: | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qimagereader.htm . . . ImageFormats |
| [20:33:52] | iamlindoro: | sucky |
| [20:33:57] | flexy: | can't move in to trunk, WAF would surely drop so much that I would have to get a commercial desk top box |
| [20:34:13] | flexy: | ok |
| [20:34:27] | flexy: | well, thanks for the info, in any case |
| [20:34:29] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [20:34:50] | flexy: | don't have to wonder. back to sauna. :) |
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| [22:48:58] | gbee: | iamlindoro: at least QT4 has an image format plugin structure that means it's list of supported formats can be extended, I'm willing to bet that someone has already written one for raw |
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| [22:57:18] | iamlindoro: | That would be nice |
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| [23:18:48] | mattwj2002: | hi guys I need help |
| [23:19:15] | mattwj2002: | when I play hd video on my laptop the cpu spikes and the video is unwatchable :( |
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| [23:19:38] | mattwj2002: | it is live HDTV using a WINTV-HVR-850 |
| [23:21:24] | gbee: | specs? |
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| [23:22:09] | mattwj2002: | Dell Vostro 1000 AMD Dual Core 1.9 Ghz per core 2 GB 120 GB hd....it has worked before....but I recently reinstalled |
| [23:22:40] | mattwj2002: | ATI something 1150 I have tried the properatory and the open source drivers same result |
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| [23:25:00] | FPSDavid: | i just clean installed 9.04 mythbuntu and when i go to Watch TV, the screen goes black for like 30secs-1min |
| [23:25:05] | FPSDavid: | then goes back to the main menu |
| [23:25:23] | mattwj2002: | but I have never tried with this tuner.... |
| [23:25:30] | mattwj2002: | I got an idea brb |
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| [23:28:21] | sphery: | mattwj2002: Change your playback profile group from CPU+ to Slim |
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| [23:28:54] | mattwj2002: | tried that no luck |
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| [23:28:56] | mattwj2002: | :( |
| [23:29:21] | mattwj2002: | I just noticed that kaffeine isn't reconizing my car either :( |
| [23:29:33] | mattwj2002: | *tv tuner not car |
| [23:29:34] | sphery: | FPSDavid: sounds like you either have problems with your capture card/drivers, filesystem (i.e. no perms to the directory you specified for your Default or LiveTV storage group), or (last resort) look at playback profiles |
| [23:29:43] | sphery: | mattwj2002: sounds like you don't have Xv support on the laptop |
| [23:29:50] | sphery: | let me guess, AMD 780G? |
| [23:30:02] | sphery: | HD3200 graphics? |
| [23:30:11] | mattwj2002: | nope |
| [23:30:26] | mattwj2002: | it definitely isn't HD3200 graphics |
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| [23:30:35] | mattwj2002: | ATI 1150 |
| [23:30:37] | sphery: | do you get info from xvinfo or does it say no adapters present? |
| [23:30:50] | ** stuarta beats vmware cluster ** | |
| [23:30:58] | mattwj2002: | yeah that is correct |
| [23:31:06] | mattwj2002: | how do I fix that? |
| [23:31:49] | sphery: | iamlindoro: weren't you looking at the external file-based subtitle loader and finding a slowness/problems with it? |
| [23:32:05] | sphery: | mattwj2002: you mean you get "no adapters present"? |
| [23:32:27] | mattwj2002: | that is correct I am getting no adapters present |
| [23:32:51] | sphery: | then you'll need to find drivers that support Xv and install/configure them |
| [23:32:57] | sphery: | that's about all the help I can provide on that issue |
| [23:32:59] | FPSDavid: | sphery: i added both of my capture cards, setup schedulesdirect, scanned for channels |
| [23:33:03] | sphery: | once you get Xv, though, it will work great |
| [23:33:06] | FPSDavid: | did i miss something? |
| [23:33:10] | sphery: | FPSDavid: storage groups |
| [23:33:14] | FPSDavid: | whats that |
| [23:33:18] | sphery: | mythtv-setup |
| [23:33:34] | sphery: | it's where you specify the directory(ies) where Myth writes recordigns |
| [23:33:38] | FPSDavid: | oh |
| [23:33:45] | FPSDavid: | im pretty sure it already knows |
| [23:33:49] | sphery: | if you use the defaults, it's almost guaranteed to fail |
| [23:33:49] | FPSDavid: | i can see /recordings/ over the network |
| [23:34:08] | FPSDavid: | what should i set them to? |
| [23:34:12] | sphery: | so recordings work, but LiveTV doesn't |
| [23:34:19] | sphery: | if so, check the LiveTV storage group |
| [23:34:25] | FPSDavid: | i dont know, but the recordings folder is there |
| [23:34:41] | sphery: | whether it's there is meaningless if Myth doesn't know that's the directory it should use :) |
| [23:34:49] | FPSDavid: | actually |
| [23:35:05] | FPSDavid: | lemme show you a screenshot of mythweb, it might help |
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| [23:36:58] | FPSDavid: | http://www.1337society.com/mw-nodata.jpg |
| [23:37:07] | FPSDavid: | can you tell whats going on from that? |
| [23:37:30] | FPSDavid: | it seems likely whatever is causing no data is causing liveTV to not work |
| [23:37:49] | FPSDavid: | /unknown regular channels |
| [23:40:46] | gbee: | are there any circumstances where you'd get a legal video using external subtitle files? |
| [23:43:19] | FPSDavid: | sphery? |
| [23:43:33] | iamlindoro: | I have several films from Blu ray whose subtitles I needed to download |
| [23:44:03] | iamlindoro: | and a couple Kung Fu films I ripped to h.264 but forgot to get the subtitles (was ripping automated) |
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| [23:44:48] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Yes, I had/have the subtitle loading working with Storage Groups (and working period again) |
| [23:45:12] | iamlindoro: | Only unresolved issue is that it tends to like to spontaneously go away in the middle of a movie for some reason |
| [23:45:32] | iamlindoro: | But I'd really like to see my MythVideo changes committed before I go chucking yet more patches into trac |
| [23:45:39] | stuarta: | that and it causes horrible startup times on playback, so the boss has just nobbled it |
| [23:46:04] | iamlindoro: | stuarta, Not w/ my patch |
| [23:46:17] | iamlindoro: | about an extra quarter second |
| [23:46:24] | FPSDavid: | iamlindoro, i know you're pretty pro. what do you think could be causing this? http://htpc/mythweb/tv/list (LiveTV doesnt work) |
| [23:46:27] | iamlindoro: | plus, w/ my patch you can theoretically use SRTs with recordings too |
| [23:46:41] | iamlindoro: | though how you'd have one for the other I wouldn't know :) |
| [23:46:43] | FPSDavid: | i mean http://www.1337society.com/mw-nodata.jpg lol |
| [23:47:19] | iamlindoro: | FPSDavid, Do you have a listings source set up and working elsewhere in myth? Looks like no listings... |
| [23:47:31] | gbee: | I'd start with lack of guide data, run mythfilldatabase |
| [23:47:40] | FPSDavid: | i added schedules direct and grabbed the listings |
| [23:47:57] | FPSDavid: | and then mythfilldatabase ran |
| [23:48:01] | iamlindoro: | FPSDavid, The question is, do the listings work elsewhere in Myth? |
| [23:48:08] | FPSDavid: | how can i check |
| [23:48:19] | iamlindoro: | By bringing up the program guide within actual myth |
| [23:48:26] | iamlindoro: | I'd wager they're not anywhere |
| [23:48:34] | FPSDavid: | wheres that, i've only seen the program guide inside of LiveTV |
| [23:48:44] | iamlindoro: | Manage Recordings |
| [23:48:47] | FPSDavid: | kk |
| [23:48:50] | FPSDavid: | lemme go check |
| [23:48:54] | gbee: | Manage Recordings > Schedule Recordings > Programme Guide |
| [23:49:05] | Dagmar: | It's awesome how day after day we get to walk people through things that are explained in the documentation |
| [23:49:40] | sphery: | FPSDavid: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
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| [23:50:56] | FPSDavid: | yeah no, its the same thing |
| [23:51:03] | FPSDavid: | a bunch of unknown and no listings |
| [23:51:22] | FPSDavid: | best bet to run channel scanner again? |
| [23:51:29] | Dagmar: | Read the link |
| [23:52:49] | sphery: | my gosh... I think I just saw phonon in action |
| [23:53:20] | sphery: | talk about "because we can, not because we should" |
| [23:53:51] | FPSDavid: | it says something like 3. (Unknown : 1007) (SchedDirect) |
| [23:54:10] | Dagmar: | sphery: Doesn't that pretty much encompass KDE in general, tho?> |
| [23:54:10] | sphery: | Who really needs their windows to wiggle when they drag them on the desktop? Or who needs popups to go poof in a ball of flames when dismissed? |
| [23:54:17] | Dagmar: | I DO |
| [23:54:25] | Dagmar: | I love Compiz' explody windows |
| [23:54:36] | sphery: | Dagmar: Yeah, I'd go so far as to say KDE /and/ GNOME. |
| [23:54:50] | gbee: | that's Phonon? Sounds more like Plasma/Compiz |
| [23:54:55] | sphery: | might be |
| [23:54:57] | Dagmar: | ..but phonon isn't their compostior, or did someone lose their mind and do that |
| [23:55:09] | Dagmar: | Phonon is just their multimedia playback stuff |
| [23:55:10] | sphery: | I know nothing of kde/phonon |
| [23:55:16] | Dagmar: | ...at least, as far as I know it is |
| [23:55:18] | sphery: | and didn't know if compiz was being used with kde |
| [23:55:23] | sphery: | ah... |
| [23:55:33] | sphery: | I thought it was some gl thing for kde |
| [23:55:38] | gbee: | Phonon is basically just a wrapper for GStreamer |
| [23:55:38] | Dagmar: | Nope. |
| [23:55:44] | Dagmar: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonon_(KDE) |
| [23:55:44] | sphery: | I see... |
| [23:55:49] | sphery: | so, I saw compiz in action... |
| [23:56:08] | Dagmar: | Yep. |
| [23:56:08] | sphery: | BTW, /never/ start up stellarium when compiz is running |
| [23:56:18] | gbee: | Plasma is the new desktop, which has some effects though I can't say I know what they are, I disable them after install |
| [23:56:25] | Dagmar: | Compiz kinda makes Aero look like a cheap ho |
| [23:56:25] | sphery: | plasma... that's what I was thinking of |
| [23:56:37] | sphery: | too many P things in KDE |
| [23:56:53] | Dagmar: | Yes, I'd agree. There's too much p-ness in KDE |
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| [23:57:23] | sphery: | It was a Knoppix boot DVD... Trying to find a LiveCD with cinelerra (and the site said Knoppix's had it), but I didn't see it on there |
| [23:57:34] | Dagmar: | There's that rastafarian distro |
| [23:57:39] | Dagmar: | Dynebolic |
| [23:57:44] | Dagmar: | It's got Cinelerra on it |
| [23:57:48] | sphery: | really... |
| [23:57:55] | Dagmar: | Ah-yup |
| [23:59:00] | sphery: | have you ever tried editing some stubborn recordings with cinelerra? I have one that no matter what I do, I get A/V sync offset. ProjectX can't even demux it (throws away about 5.5GiB of the 7GiB file). |
| [23:59:15] | sphery: | if I just avidemux it, A/V sync is off by >30s |
| [23:59:49] | sphery: | was able to cut it with (windows-based) mpeg2cut2, but really want to transcode to easy-to-decode (laptop-friendly) size |
| [23:59:56] | Dagmar: | I've not tried it for that |
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