Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, May 5th, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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lavermil:

anyone know why mythtv wouldn't see signal for cable but doing an ivtv-tune /dev/video0 finds it just fine. I can also run mplayer /dev/video0 just fine too

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lavermil:

hauppauge hvr1600 using analog and cox communication is the provider. tried with cable box and without

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sysRPL:

hello

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sysRPL:

is this a good channel to talk about video editing/encoding for streaming?

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Dagmar:

Not really.

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sysRPL:

any reccommendations?

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kormoc:

Nor is it good taste to hit up both #mythtv and here with something that's not really ontopic for eather of them

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** sysRPL checks the server network **

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sysRPL:

is this efnet?

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kormoc:

I fail to see why the network would matter when spamming...

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sysRPL:

i guess you haven't spent much time on efnet

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lavermil:

sysRPL: not efnet

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lavermil:

different kinds of people in a way

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sysRPL:

lavermil: i was j/k

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lavermil:

efnet = free for all

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kormoc:

sysRPL, really attempting to win friends I see...

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sysRPL:

efnet = uproductive and bad mannered nerds

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sysRPL:

kormoc: you are the only one who is bothered

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laga:

oh

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laga:

welcome to freenode then :P

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laga:

sysRPL: i was, too

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laga:

i just didn't comment on it

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sysRPL:

laga double plus

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lavermil:

sysRPL: in this channel it matters that he was bothered.

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sysRPL:

actually the notion that he may or may not have been bothered matters little to none

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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lavermil:

hehe

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Dagmar:

Actually, considering that some of the people in here used to be on EFNet when it took cruelty and ruthlessness to maintain order in a channel, some newbs better shut their disrespectful mouths.

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lavermil:

sysRPL: I echo your comment earlier efnet = uproductive and bad mannered nerds....but that is what you are being right now.

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kormoc:

It's amusing that the notion that a dev of the project and channel op being bothered by your actions means so little to you

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sysRPL:

maybe because i don't use mythtv, that i don't know you, and that we are potentially separated by a thousand miles help me overcome any feelings i might have had about distrating you with an off topic comment in two channels

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lavermil:

sysRPL: I just got in this channel today, I don't use mythTV...I don't care about any of these people. but they are nice enough to share their time thoughts for the price of a beer here and there (if that). Be respectful of people who might lend you some time

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lavermil:

if are coming here offering your services and solutions and programming time for the project

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lavermil:

if you are/were then you might do it in a better way.

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sysRPL:

lavermil: did you read the part where i said "I don't use mythTV"?

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sysRPL:

i'm just curious

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lavermil:

did you read my comment. I am not using it either. looking at using it and trying to learn a thing or two.

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lavermil:

sysRPL: i am sure you can add value to the right conversation if you approach it with the right words

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lavermil:

your choice of how you asked the question and maybe how you replied to the question was the wrong part....at least in my opinoin.

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lavermil:

the bot sends you a message once you join the channel telling you what to do/not do

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lavermil:

rather chanserv does

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lavermil:

none the less

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sysRPL:

anyhow, i am gathering data to write the specs for a desktop video editor application

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lavermil:

why not help an existing project that might has some of the stuff you already want to do

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lavermil:

starting from scratch is normally quite the undertaking that most people don't realize and start off wtih this great idea...but they are the only one supporting it.

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sysRPL:

lavermil: because i need to earn money to pay rent and eat

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lavermil:

aahhh you wanted to probe the people of open source for input and then take that and go make a project and make money.....something stinks about that....then again it is done everyday.

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sysRPL:

i share a lot of ideas

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sysRPL:

but there come a point in everyone's life where they have to collect a paycheck and stop freeloading on others

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lavermil:

not saying you don't just saying the concept stinks of what is done daily.

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lavermil:

understood.

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sysRPL:

pardon? what stinks?

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lavermil:

the leeching concept.

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sysRPL:

get over it

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lavermil:

anyhow this channel isn't for htis topic...

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lavermil:

!trout sysRPL

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** MythLogBot slaps sysRPL with a trout on behalf of lavermil... **

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lavermil:

now begone with you

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lavermil:

heheh

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sysRPL:

it might be ... do mythtv people ever encoder their videos into "mixes"

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jamesd2:

damm after 2 years of using mythtv digital tv on my kworld 115, and i do sometimes still think to my self "DAMM thats a sweet picture" even dancing with the stars is watchable.

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lavermil:

what is kworld 115

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jamesd2:

its a digital/analog capture card.. like a kworld 110

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EvilBob:

No, you are just testosterone deficient if you think Dancing with the Stars is watchable

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jamesd2:

you need to check out the nice boobies this year.. some of the girls actaully have them and are not just eggs on a board.

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lavermil:

hhe eggs on a board. haven't heard that one before

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EvilBob:

I dated a girl not long after High School who was so flat chested that when her nipples got hard her tits tripled in size...

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cesman:

lol!

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lavermil:

hehe

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EvilBob:

Sorry if I shared too much or offended anyone.

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lavermil:

my wife was one of htem

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lavermil:

now she has 3 plastic parts

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lavermil:

err has C plastic boobies

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lavermil:

nothing like the real thing, but something.

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pheld:

what's he current status of integration with jackd? I'm seeing the same av-sync issues with jack as with pulseaudio, and this is on a machine which has no latency or sync-problems with jack handling recording/mixing of 20 or more audio-tracks in ardour.

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squidly:

I'm using HDMI to for sound and video output, but when I cant control the sound though the myth frontend

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squidly:

how can I fix that?

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oomph:

evenning

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oomph:

anyone around?

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kormoc:

likely

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oomph:

cool

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oomph:

anyone got some advice on a good board

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oomph:

to use

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oomph:

for a new build

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oomph:

i'm debating and open to suggestions

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a-stray-laptop:

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wagnerrp:

squidly: if you are using digital audio, you cannot control volume

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Dagmar:

Well, you can, but not in any way you'd want to.

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Dagmar:

You'd be more likely to want to change the volume by shoving a cactus into your pants and twisting it.

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Dagmar:

MentalPower: De topic j00 are trying to post has bin baleeted

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Dagmar:

...and if someone wants to claim they might do it that way, there's going to be video of you shoving a cactus into your pants on YouTube before I'll tell

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CharlieSu:

Does anyone have pcHD5500 ?

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squidly:

lol Dagmar, yea I found that out. I'm going to have to figure out a way to use the serial port on my tv to control volume

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wagnerrp:

or, you get a smarter remote

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squidly:

I've though of that

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squidly:

but I want to use the serial port so that when someone hits the powerbutton it actually turns off the tv

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wagnerrp:

again... smarter remote thing...

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squidly:

wagnerrp: yea I know

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squidly:

I dont want to spend $100 on smarter remote

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wagnerrp:

so go to radio shack, and spend $15 getting something with a learn feature

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wagnerrp:

reprogram individual buttons

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squidly:

I may be able to do that with mine.

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squidly:

I will have to look at it

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squidly:

wagnerrp: though I also want my frontend to go into suspend when someone hits the power on the remote too.

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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iamlindoro:

Also, a pony

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squidly:

heh

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wagnerrp:

you really seem to want that pony

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squidly:

wagnerrp: it's mostly for the cool factor ;)

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wagnerrp:

i dont know... a pony is usually something a little girl wants

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squidly:

wagnerrp: this is a combo of stuff for my gf

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meshe:

wow, qt is huge

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meshe:

2.5G compiled

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wagnerrp:

really? my not-concerned-about-being-small frontends are only around 4GB installed

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meshe:

i'm guessing that it's a lot of temporary files from the build, but the build dir ended up growing 2.3G

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iamlindoro:

Think that includes all the source, and tonnnnnns of example code

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iamlindoro:

There are dozens and dozens of full application examples in there

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meshe:

yeah, looks like it, thankfully myth compiles fast

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

8 way i7?

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meshe:

relatively, it's 15 mins compared to the 3 hours qt just took

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meshe:

damn, still didn't fix mythbrowsers plugin support

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** iamlindoro helpfully watches hulu from mythbrowser **

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meshe:

heh

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** meshe upgrades to jaunty **

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iamlindoro:

Sorry, that part was a lie, I am not looking at myth this week

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meshe:

oh?

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squidly:

meshe: heh I've beening using 9.04 for a while

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iamlindoro:

Out of general frustration I've decided to take a break

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squidly:

pretty stable

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wagnerrp:

but then how will you know if FOX disappears off your lineup again

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iamlindoro:

Still making sure the recordings happen :)

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iamlindoro:

Just using alternative methods to watch them until my sanity returns

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meshe:

iamlindoro: good to take a break once in a while

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meshe:

btw, here's a jackalope for ya: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By9sHP1MWVk

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Wicked:

if i wanna use mythweb...does my backend need a httpd? i run mythtv on a different box then my home webserver.....id much prefer to only run the one webserver

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iamlindoro:

Plus, was out of town all weekend doing a triathlon, too pooped for code after that

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wagnerrp:

Wicked: that works just fine

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wagnerrp:

make sure you have database access, and if you want to stream video, make sure it has file access as well

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Wicked:

orly. this whole time i have never bothered with mythweb because i dont want to run 2 web browsers

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kormoc:

web browsers?

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RyeBrye:

Anyone here tested the HDHR multirec patches against trunk? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6138

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Wicked:

lol servers

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wagnerrp:

mythtv supports multiple frontends and backends, why would mythweb be restricted to the master backend?

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Wicked:

idk. i just assumed so.

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meshe:

iamlindoro: triathalon, wow, how'd ya do?

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kormoc:

NFS mounts to the web server allows full functionality, but it works without them

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Wicked:

i think from back in the day...i tried installing it on mandriva and it would not install without installing apache too

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iamlindoro:

meshe, Finished, not as fast as I would like, but blew out my back during the bike, oh well...

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meshe:

ouch, glad ya finished it though

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iamlindoro:

completed the same course three hours faster a month before, sigh

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wagnerrp:

ive done the biking before, but never that amount of running or swimming

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at0m|c:

Wicked: there's many services that offer a web *interface*, take cups, mysqladmin, ...

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kormoc:

I've not done any of it before, and it shows

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** kormoc hangs his head in shame **

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wagnerrp:

well yeah... i did the biking when i was about half my current age

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iamlindoro:

Heh... well, most people could manage a sprint, with some training most people can do an olympic, and Half and full ironmen require real work

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iamlindoro:

Last weekend was a half ironman

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wagnerrp:

so... 40mi biking, 13mi running, 2.5mi swimming?

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iamlindoro:

1.2 Mile swim, 56 mile bike, 13.1 mile run

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iamlindoro:

(in that order)

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kormoc:

Yeah... uhh...

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wagnerrp:

i could probably do the biking in my current shape

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kormoc:

I might be able to do the 1.2 mile swim, with a wet-suit and the tide in my favor....

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wagnerrp:

which is 'amorphous blob'

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iamlindoro:

Heh, 56 miles is a lot for a non-amorphous blob :)

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kormoc:

the whole 'float like a cork' method

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iamlindoro:

I'm fairly non-amorphous and it's still damn hard :)

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iamlindoro:

But it's all about context

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wagnerrp:

bleh, ive done 75mi in the rain before

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wagnerrp:

of course that wasnt after swimming for over a mile

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kormoc:

Where do you guys find time?

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iamlindoro:

plus whether it's particularly hilly (and this course is)

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wagnerrp:

this was relatively hilly, southern germany

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iamlindoro:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildflower_Triathlon

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iamlindoro:

"Known for a particularly hilly and grueling course"

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iamlindoro:

Wish someone had mentioned that before I scheduled it for this year ;)

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meshe:

hmmm, make is using the wrong qt

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wagnerrp:

the big bang theory was short tonight

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meshe:

libs that is, i specified the right qmake

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wagnerrp:

only 18min

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meshe:

eh, off to bed, i'll work on it again tommorow, night everyone

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iamlindoro:

Ooof, just went searching for an e-mail by my friend Jean-Frederique and got a faceful of JYA e-mail

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Wicked:

hmm. i installed mythweb to my http server edited the apache conf...added it to the config directory...i then gave mythtv@server permission on the local mysql that has mythtvs info in but im still getting database error from mythweb

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Return0:

hey, I'm looking to get a tuner for a new HTPC I'm building.

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RyeBrye:

Return0: what source are you looking to tune?

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Return0:

Can anyone suggest a good one? Clear QAM is okish, but I think I wana blast my cable STB.

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Return0:

I don't think I wana deal with cable cards

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RyeBrye:

Do you have good ATSC in your area?

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Return0:

I don't have an HD Cable box but I'm considering upgrading if it's worth it

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Return0:

Well the cable has to broadcast all of the Clear QAM that is provided over the air, as unencrypted

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Return0:

so there's a handful

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Return0:

I think the ota is good too but I don't have an antenna

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Return0:

never tried.

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RyeBrye:

antennaweb.org will let you know what to expect

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Return0:

Stuff like discovery and Sci channels I think I can only access via the cable box (encrypted)

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wagnerrp:

blast your cable box?

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Return0:

are you asking what I mean by that or suggesting it?

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wagnerrp:

asking

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Return0:

yeah I'm thinking it'd be a good idea

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Return0:

but it's only a SD STB

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wagnerrp:

what you mean

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Return0:

I mean broadcast IR to tune the cable box

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wagnerrp:

oh... its usually better to use firewire

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Return0:

and use a capture card

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Return0:

ah, but I can't do that unless I upgrade my STB

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Return0:

I suppose if it's a lot better I'll consider that

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Return0:

can you record and use the STB to watch something else?

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wagnerrp:

even if you already get everything over QAM that you would over firewire, it tends to be simpler and more reliable for changing channels than a blaster

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wagnerrp:

not really

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wagnerrp:

even on dual-tuner STBs, the second tuner is usually only accessible to its internal DVR functionality

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Return0:

ah

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Return0:

I don't really need a DVR since I'll use the media PC :)

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Return0:

hm, but the firewire lets you get the encrypted stuff right?

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RyeBrye:

How far along the wife-acceptance-scale is the current HD-PVR support?

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RyeBrye:

Return0: nope. 5c is the devil

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: not exactly

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wagnerrp:

firewire can be 5c encrypted

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Return0:

not sure what 5c is

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RyeBrye:

right – but I guess scrambled QAM doesn't have to be 5c though, right?

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wagnerrp:

but there is no relation between what is QAM encrypted and what is 5c encrypted

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wagnerrp:

5c is a handshaking and encryption layer applied by the STB

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wagnerrp:

similar in purpose to HDCP

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Return0:

hm

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Return0:

so I can't access all of the channels on the STB with firewire? that sucks =\

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wagnerrp:

assuming your computer has a firewire port, trying it is free

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Return0:

I get a LOT of QAM encrypted channels from the cable company =\ useless

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Return0:

my computer does, my tuner doesn't, I'd need to upgrade

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Return0:

which I'm debating

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wagnerrp:

your tuner? or STB?

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Return0:

stb

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Return0:

I need to get a tuner

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Return0:

I'm here to find out what to get :P

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wagnerrp:

the cableco has to make firewire available to any digital subscriber (i believe at no additional cost)

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Return0:

even for a SD box?

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Return0:

if I ask for it?

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wagnerrp:

if you have digital cable

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Return0:

I thought I read something like that too on a wiki referencing some fcc thing

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Return0:

I do

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wagnerrp:

SD vs. HD is just what outputs your STB supports

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wagnerrp:

its all the same service

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Return0:

ya

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wagnerrp:

last time i checked, my cableco didnt change any difference between the two units

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Return0:

ah ok.

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Return0:

I should call the cable company and see if I can get a box that has firewire

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Return0:

the one I have definitely doesn;t

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Return0:

so what should I expect though

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Return0:

will I not be able to access everything the box can access?

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wagnerrp:

at the very least, you can use it to change channels

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Return0:

well I don't expect on demand or anything

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wagnerrp:

at most, you get access to everything

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wagnerrp:

chances are, its somewhere in between

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Return0:

ah I see

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Wicked:

hmm well i now have it seeing the mysql server but im now getting "Unable to connect to the master backend at 127.0.0.1:6543." ....this mythweb is on apache on a diff box then my mythbackend/mysql

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RyeBrye:

If a cable provider just takes their stuff and sends it out – do they have to manually set the 5c or is it automatic on some content?

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Return0:

so if I use it to change channels at least it'll be more reliable than blasting IR, and then I'll have to capture the output?

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Wicked:

am i missing a conf file or something to set where the backend is? i did not see one

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RyeBrye:

I'm wondering what the default state of a lazy cable provider would be

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wagnerrp:

Wicked: did you edit the packaged httpd config file to tell it where your mysql server is?

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Wicked:

yea i edited mythweb.conf.apache and put that in the conf.d apache folder and restarted apache

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wagnerrp:

and youre sure its being included by apache?

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Wicked:

before it was not seeing the mysql server...it now sees it but gives me that error about not being able to connect to the master backend

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wagnerrp:

oh, right

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wagnerrp:

you need to go into mythtv-setup

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Wicked:

wagnerrp, yes. before i put it in apache i tried to goto the mythweb dir and it gave me a directory listing...once it was in apache it didnt

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wagnerrp:

and change your backend to a real, route-able address

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Wicked:

oh i see

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Return0:

hm, ok so what would be a good tuner card that can at the very least, tune the cable box via firewire, and capture the output via composite, or even better some kind of HD (hdmi, or component), OR at best, record everything even HD via firewire?

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Wicked:

let me try that now

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wagnerrp:

i dont know of a tuner card with firewire

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wagnerrp:

for standard definition, get an IVTV card

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wagnerrp:

for HD, you need an HDPVR and trunk

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Return0:

trunk?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv trunk, as opposed to one of the release branches

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Return0:

oh

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Wicked:

wagnerrp, that seems to have been it. thanks :)

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Return0:

hd pvr seems nice but really I think I might just try to grab what I can in HD from ota, or Clear QAM unencrypyed on the cable with a card.

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Return0:

and for the rest SD stuff, just capture from the STB

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RyeBrye:

you dont need a tuner card with firewire. just get a normal firewire card or use what is on your motherboard

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Return0:

so you recommend the IVTV card for SD?

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wagnerrp:

absolutely

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RyeBrye:

ivtv is a category of drivers, not a brand

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Return0:

oh really just regular old firewire?

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RyeBrye:

just fyi

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Return0:

nice

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RyeBrye:

yeah, 1394

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Return0:

but if I use just regular firewire,... how can I capture from it? there's software already able to do that?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv

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Return0:

ah ok

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Return0:

it's making more sense, but if I can't record from the firewire, I'll need a capture card.

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Return0:

and use the firewire to tune

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RyeBrye:

yep

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Return0:

is the IVTV able to do that?

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wagnerrp:

IVTV is a family of mpeg encoder cards

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wagnerrp:

analog tuner and capture, straight to a hardware encoded mpeg2 stream

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Return0:

ah

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Return0:

I had a hauppage wintv 1600.

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RyeBrye:

iamlindoro: your backend has 5 followers on twitter

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Return0:

it was bad

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Return0:

I mean, crappy :P

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wagnerrp:

the 1600 is an IVTV card

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Return0:

ah

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Return0:

so what's a GOOD one? :P

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wagnerrp:

i hope you were using it in mpeg mode, rather than framegrabber mode

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Return0:

I was using the crap software that came with it to test it

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wagnerrp:

so... windows

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Return0:

ya :P

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Return0:

but I couldn't configure the way it recorded

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Return0:

I'm pretty sure it was encoding mpeg2 though

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Pebby:

Return0: I had an old Hauppage card that was an ivtv card and great, and I got an HVR-1800 which I have yet to get working. :( Avoid that one, I'd recommend.. but you definitely need to see the card behaving on your mythtv machine, not the crummy software provided, imo

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wagnerrp:

well the 1600 will do everything you want it to, short of capturing HD off the cable box

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Return0:

it messed up the audio recording for HD stuff though

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Return0:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

Pebby: the 1800 is fully functional in linux

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Return0:

I noticed that

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Return0:

it has the right functionality

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Return0:

it was just not so great

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wagnerrp:

however the analog side is not IVTV compatible, so mythtv does not know how to use it

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Pebby:

wagnerrp: Do you have one working or any advice? I tried for many hours and gave up.. I just need the QAM side, not the analog side

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wagnerrp:

not personally, go to #linuxtv or linuxtv.org

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wagnerrp:

it just functions as a standard DVB device

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RyeBrye:

for QAM, the HDHR is hard to beat

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Pebby:

wagnerrp: Okay, thanks... I had very little luck using the latest v4l-dvb drivers

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i_is_cat:

i got a new tv tuner.. its an ati theater 550 pro and it was free. has anyone used one before? good/bad results perhaps?

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Return0:

I have 2 PCI slots, and 1 PCI-e 1x available.

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kormoc:

i_is_cat, most ati tuners are unsupported under linux

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Return0:

so mythtv has full support for the hd pvr?

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kormoc:

-trunk has functional support

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Return0:

does it stream?

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wagnerrp:

stream what?

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Return0:

I mean can you watch the buffer as it records or does it have to just record and transcode?

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wagnerrp:

it works like any other capture device in mythtv

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Return0:

cool!

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Return0:

is there any alternatives? it seems like the only thing I've seen that can capture hd.

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cesman:

it is

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kormoc:

other then ATSC/QAM/Firewire/DVB

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wagnerrp:

it is the only consumer priced device capable of capturing HD

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** cesman assumes Return0 meant component **

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wagnerrp:

technically, there is some BlackMagic HDMI capture for about the same price

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kormoc:

There's plenty of ways to capture HD, it's just that it might be the only option for your specific source

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wagnerrp:

but its a framegrabber, and it does not support HDCP

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wagnerrp:

so besides having no drivers, its worthless for our purposes

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Return0:

hdcp that means encoding straight to some compressed format?

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wagnerrp:

HDCP means encryption

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Return0:

k

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wagnerrp:

just about any HDMI content source is going to be HDCP encrypted

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Return0:

I guess you have to rely on the tuning of a HD STB to use it

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wagnerrp:

your cable/satellite box, your BR/HDDVD player

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wagnerrp:

all output encrypted HDMI

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Return0:

I *had* an hd cable box that output component

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Return0:

so the tv's are able to decode the encryption? or why do they need to encrypt it?

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Return0:

that seems silly

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wagnerrp:

so that you cannot capture it

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Return0:

evil

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wagnerrp:

its all about control

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RyeBrye:

iamlindoro: It would be funny to enhance the twitter script and parse out celebrity names and look up their twitter usernames and replace them with @tweets so that random celebrities will know when you record shows with them in it (would work better for things like late night tv shows)

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lavermil:

anyone still awake?

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chainsawbike:

Zzzzzz

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lavermil:

chainsawbike, hehe

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lavermil:

I am having a weird issue

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chainsawbike:

spill :P

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lavermil:

only have doing a cd v4l-dvb-<some numbers>s; sudo make unload; sudo modprobe cx18;

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lavermil:

only after that do I get visible video via mplayer

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lavermil:

if I do the sudo make install, mplayer is then broken

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Stacklob:

hey guys, i've been lurking on the linuxtv and mythtv wiki and i can't seem to find a dual DVB-S tuner

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Stacklob:

anyone has an idea?

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janneg:

Stacklob: there is/was at least one pinnacle dual DVB-S PCI card. I don't know if it has linux drivers though

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Stacklob:

janneg, yup, i found some dual DVB-S cards, but none mentioned to work on the wikis

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janneg:

and there should be a couple of dual PCIe cards but those are certainly not supported on linux

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Stacklob:

cause what would be the best solution price/reliability for recording all the channels ?

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janneg:

ah, it sounded if you weren't able to find cards

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Stacklob:

cause i need to build a wannabe-production-system to record a lot of satellite channels

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Stacklob:

and i really don't know how to do that in bulk

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Gumby:

Stacklob, get two twinhan 1020a cards

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Gumby:

cheap and in my experience reliable

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Gumby:

I have 3

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janneg:

get a mainboard with many PCI slots and buy many inexpensive single PCI cards

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Gumby:

and also an hauppauge nova-s (which sucks for switching) and a genpix 8psk-to-usb2

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Stacklob:

Gumby, for switching?

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janneg:

bbl

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Gumby:

Stacklob, yes. it doesnt control multiswitches or diseqcs well

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Stacklob:

and whats that genpix board for?

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Stacklob:

sorry, i'm a bit new in this world :P

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Gumby:

the genpix board is for HD. you can use it to connect to an 8psk addon board that plug into some receivers to add HD to them

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Stacklob:

oh nice

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Gumby:

basically the satellite company has a module for some older receivers. this module just slides in

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Gumby:

the 8psk adapter plugs into that module and then connects to the PC via USB

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Gumby:

then there is a skywalker-1 which is basically the same thing in an enclosed case

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Gumby:

(also a genpix product)

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Stacklob:

oh

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Gumby:

however both the skywalker-1 and 8psk-to-usb are much more expensive than a non HD PCI card

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Stacklob:

awww

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Stacklob:

omg, 290$

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Gumby:

yep

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Stacklob:

yup, kinda more ;)

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Gumby:

$150 for the 8psk-to-usb2

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Gumby:

and then you have to find the HD module

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Stacklob:

i think i'll go for the cheap mainboard and cheaper single PCI cards

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Stacklob:

janneg, Gumby , any suggestions on card/mainboard combination?

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Gumby:

dont go too cheap on the board

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Gumby:

Stacklob, twinhan 1020a and something with a newer onboard nvidia card would do you well. Make sure it supports VDPAU (I think its still called that, I havnt checked recently)

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Gumby:

a board with two PCI slots should do you just fine

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Stacklob:

ok

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Cougar:

are there any mobo with NVIDIA 8000/9000 chipset (VDPAU) and HDMI output available?

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sid3windr:

maybe, maybe not

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Cougar:

my current Asus Socket AM2 M2N-VM HDMI with Geforce®7Series isn't good enough for all full-HD streams

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FR^2:

Cougar: Asus P5N7A-VM, Biostar TF7150U-M7, DFI LANPARTY JR, GigaByte GA-E7AUM-DS2H, ...

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Cougar:

do you have any expierence with any of them?

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cynicismic:

why not just get a new graphics card?

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Stacklob:

Gumby, seems that the twinhan 1020a has some eeprom problems

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Stacklob:

did you had any problems with that?

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Stacklob:

cause i need the cards to be 24/7 recording

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Gumby:

Stacklob, I have 3 and have had 0 issues with any of them

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Stacklob:

on a production system

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Stacklob:

ok, thx for the input :)

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Gumby:

what exactly are you doing with satellite in a production environment?

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Stacklob:

Gumby, where i work we follow our customers products appearances on TV, radio, newspapers etc...

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Stacklob:

yes, i know, who the fuck pays for that?

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k-man:

is there some way to set a priority on capture cards?

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k-man:

or is it only on a per video source basis?

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justinh:

uhoh. twice in as many days now. could be the start of something again

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stuarta:

justinh: huh?

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justinh:

stuarta: coming back in here :P

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stuarta:

oh.. :)

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AndyCap:

justinh: heh, you remind me of Charlie Brooker

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justinh:

I'm flattered

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justinh:

he's an angry c*** too

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** AndyCap is reading screen burn **

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justinh:

started reading that last night myself. laughing out loud

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justinh:

£3 @HMV

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justinh:

also bought Dawn Of the Dumb

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justinh:

was quite surprised anywhere in Oldham sold books :P

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AndyCap:

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justinh:

I remembered seeing it listed on hotukdeals.com as being 3 quids in hoomv ;-)

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justinh:

haha in other news, my holiday with the inlaws is looking up. turned out theirs wasn't booked after all so they're not in the same hotel. R E S U L T

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stuarta:

\o/

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justinh:

massive bugger when you go into a travel agent to book a holiday & 3 weeks later you go back to check something – then it turns out it's not really booked. Sheesh

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justinh:

but on the plus side... :D

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k-man:

for some reason, when i run mythtv-setup, the screens are too big and I cant see the buttons at the bottom of the forms

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k-man:

but normal mythtv-frontend is fine

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poodyp:

your tv has overscan

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k-man:

poodyp: ok... what does that mean? and how do i work around it?

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poodyp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Overscan

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k-man:

poodyp: the strange thing is that its fine for the normal frontend

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k-man:

just mythtv-settings seems to be affected

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poodyp:

so use mythtv --geometry 640x480 or some size that's appropriate

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k-man:

poodyp: ah, thanks

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k-man:

poodyp: ok, this is bizzare – the buttons are outside the window even when i reduce the size of the window using --gemoetry

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poodyp:

so the window is inside the borders of your tv but the buttons are outside the window?

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k-man:

poodyp: yes

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k-man:

poodyp: i can see my desktop around the mythtv window

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poodyp:

that's... odd

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poodyp:

I have no idea what would cause that

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k-man:

hmmm

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k-man:

oh well

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k-man:

poodyp: different screens in mythtv-setup have differing levels of the buttons being outside the window. the input connections screen has the buttons only half outside the window

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poodyp:

sorry I dunno what's happening there

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poodyp:

I'm not a developer, I was just guessing as to what your problem was

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k-man:

poodyp: no worries, just thought i'd let you know the wierdness of the problem :)

[12:05:29]

poodyp:

yeah, srsly weird

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k-man:

i'd prefer it if when you hit escape from the main menu, it just did nothing, and there was a seperate menu entry called "exit" to quit mythtv-frontend

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k-man:

as much as I love mythtv, i do think the menu structure could be improved

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clever:

it can ask to confirm exit when you hit escape

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stuarta:

k-man: i believe what you are asking has been done in head

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k-man:

clever: yes, i know – but i always end up on that confirmation screen and hit no – id rather it just didn't go there

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k-man:

stuarta: oh, thats interesting, thanks for letting me know

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k-man:

stuarta: any idea where i could read about that?

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k-man:

and you know what else would be good, is a way for users/ distro devs to augment the menus without editing the original files, much like the cron.d directory in debian for example

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justinh:

easy to do that with local xml files

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justinh:

e.g. files in ~/.mythtv/

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k-man:

justinh: but does that mean you have to maintain a whole set of files or you can just add to the default files?

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stuarta:

k-man: its somewhere in the thousands of changesets that have happened to head

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k-man:

stuarta: ok

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justinh:

k-man: no way to augment menus without either rejigging the way they work – or just making new files

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k-man:

justinh: ok

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justinh:

even if they had something like an 'include' tag you'd have to add that to every menu xml

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justinh:

it's hardly a big job to keep menu xml files up to date though

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justinh:

all it takes is for somebody to care

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justinh:

speaking of somebody who cares about menu xml files...

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justinh:

;-)

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lyricnz:

does mythv (or X??) have a built in screensaver?

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lyricnz:

I'm getting it kicking in all the time, while watching recordings, etc.

[12:32:51]

lyricnz:

yet "ps" doesn't show xscreensaver etc, which I disabled

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clever:

X has a small one which mythtv should disable when playing files

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justinh:

poodyp: btw when setup screens are all ported to mythui it likely won't be an issue anymore :)

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lyricnz:

.... I'm getting it kicking in, and I think disabling the video output

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lyricnz:

could it be the video driver

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lyricnz:

?

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justinh:

power-saving features?

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lyricnz:

yeah, that was my guess, dpms junk

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justinh:

completely apart from xscreensaver AFAIK

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lyricnz:

yeah

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lyricnz:

Hi justinh btw :)

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clever:

mythfrontend turns dpms off when playing, and i think xscreensaver takes dpms as a hint

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justinh:

find your power saving features applet

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** lyricnz adds some stuff to xorg conf, that should sort it **

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lyricnz:

Thanks, ttyl

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justinh:

wahey! new series of Ideal starts next week

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phunyguy_work:

anyone have any remote control recommendations? Looking for one that can handle basic mythtv functionality for the cheapest price possible...

[12:52:28]

phunyguy_work:

i have an IR Receiver and a dvico fusion remote, but I cannot for the life of me get the receiver working

[12:52:45]

phunyguy_work:

the stupid IR Receiver is integrated into my Antec Fusion V2 case

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justinh:

you need a remote which can speak the lingo the Antec receiver uses

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phunyguy_work:

(irmon i think)

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phunyguy_work:

well i was thinking I can just get another remote with a USB ir receiver included

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justinh:

or see if irrecord will let you learn the remote

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phunyguy_work:

and turn off the irmon one

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justinh:

have you tried irrecord?

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phunyguy_work:

well its not picking up the receiver at all

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phunyguy_work:

all i can see is /dev/lirc0 which is the volume control knob

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phunyguy_work:

i can see it in lsusb, but can't get it to show up as a device

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phunyguy_work:

tired of messing with remote setups that don't work.

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phunyguy_work:

I'd rather just get a cheap remote that I can just plug in and make it work

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phunyguy_work:

just need some reccomendations

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justinh:

personally I'd think that perseverence would pay off with the imon stuff

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phunyguy_work:

imon thats what it is

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phunyguy_work:

(not looking at it at the moment)

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justinh:

that'd lessen the feeling you'd wasted your money too :P

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phunyguy_work:

meh

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phunyguy_work:

lirc is too cryptic..

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phunyguy_work:

.lol

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phunyguy_work:

yeah it would be nice to get the imon lcd / ir / volume knob working...

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phunyguy_work:

but dammit I've been working on it off and on for like 6 months

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justinh:

maybe you're just missing the right driver module

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phunyguy_work:

yeah I am and I can't find anything on google.

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phunyguy_work:

well i can

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phunyguy_work:

but none of the solutions worked

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phunyguy_work:

i am thinking I need two instances of lirc running

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phunyguy_work:

one for the knob and one for the receiver

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phunyguy_work:

is that usually the case?

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phunyguy_work:

and I also know this isn't #lirc – so if you want me to go there I can.

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phunyguy_work:

but there are usually like 2 ppl there

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phunyguy_work:

ok, sorry – there are 12

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phunyguy_work:

hmmm

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phunyguy_work:

I am coming to the realization that this IR Receiver isn't showing up in lsusb

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phunyguy_work:

the entry is for the volume knob

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Pat-TLLTS:

hello

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CyberKnet:

hello

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phunyguy_work:

hmmm

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phunyguy_work:

this stupid thing...

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phunyguy_work:

i can see /dev/lirc0

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phunyguy_work:

but the only thing that gives output with mode2 is the volume knob

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phunyguy_work:

great.

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phunyguy_work:

I have to buy a new remote. This IR Receiver only works with MCE Remotes, and the Soundgraph ones.

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phunyguy_work:

why include it on a case without supplying a working remote? comon ppl..

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at0m|c:

phunyguy_work: don't have some universal remote around?

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phunyguy_work:

it won't pick up the darn codes

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phunyguy_work:

signals – etc

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at0m|c:

phunyguy_work: have a couple of those too. they're ment for mobile phone IR or so i guess

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phunyguy_work:

all the forums i can find give workarounds, but none work

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phunyguy_work:

others say it only supports specific remotes

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phunyguy_work:

oh well, I guess I can handle buying another remote... just need some recommendations

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phunyguy_work:

should be able to mod my case as well to put the new remotes IR Receiver where the current non-working one is

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Pat-TLLTS:

M$ MCE remote/ir-receiver and blaster = $28

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phunyguy_work:

works good?

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Pat-TLLTS:

like a champ

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phunyguy_work:

can you turn a universal remote into one?

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phunyguy_work:

have it learn the codes?

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Pat-TLLTS:

supported out of the box by LinHES/Knoppmyth and Mythbuntu

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phunyguy_work:

i will buy the remote, then attempt to get the universal i have to pick up the codes

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phunyguy_work:

i really just need the IR receiver, thats the crappy part.

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phunyguy_work:

I have a DVICO fusion MCE remote...

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phunyguy_work:

but I can't use that receiver because it plugs into the back of the dvico card (in the backend)

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phunyguy_work:

this is for the front end

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phunyguy_work:

frontend*

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phunyguy_work:

...wonder how hard it is to build an ir receiver

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CyberKnet:

I just bought the MS remote and it came with an mce usb2 receiver that works well and looks nice enough.

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Pat-TLLTS:

CyberKnet: that's the one I have, works great, works well with the Harmony remotes as well

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phunyguy_work:

how small is the reciever?

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phunyguy_work:

-ie +ei

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CyberKnet:

deck of cards, maybe a touch bigger.

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phunyguy_work:

BRB

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CyberKnet:

depending on what kind of playing cards you use, I suppose.

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phunyguy_work:

lol..

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phunyguy_work:

(back)

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phunyguy_work:

well the reason i ask is because i mentioned modding the case to put the IR Reciever inside where the current one is

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phunyguy_work:

the current one looks to be the size of a diode

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phunyguy_work:

not a huge deal if I can't do it

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i_is_cat:

so i popped in that ati tv wonder pro 550 card i have and it shows up in lspci but it doesnt add another device node that i can see.. is there anything i should be doing in particular?

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kormoc:

it's just another framegrabber, and unlikely to be supported. it's not gonna change your setup at all

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i_is_cat:

well it shouldnt be a framegrabber from what i've read it has an mpeg2 encoder or decoder or whatever onboard..

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i_is_cat:

and i know its a crap card like i mentioned last night it was a freebie

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i_is_cat:

i just want to try and get it up and running

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kormoc:

i_is_cat, the pro perhaps, but not the 550

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i_is_cat:

its a pro 550

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kormoc:

you never mentioned that bit previously

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i_is_cat:

i dont know much about the ati ones

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i_is_cat:

hell i dont know much about many tv tuners lol ive only used the pvr150/350 saa7134 and hd-pvr

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i_is_cat:

and its quite possible that if the linux drivers are poor for this card that it might ignore the encoder and use it just as a framegrabber card.. which is fine really i dont care that much, id just like to see it work if possible

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sid3windr:

put it on ebay for loadsofmonies and buy a decent one then

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sid3windr:

:>

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i_is_cat:

lol

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i_is_cat:

i am considering selling it.. but only if i cant get it working

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meshe:

"The 550 pro is a brick in linux. No drivers available." --> http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=429761

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kormoc:

you don't get to pick to choose if a mpeg2 card 'works' as a framegrabber

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i_is_cat:

well i did say i dont know much about the tuners ;)

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meshe:

google, google, google ;)

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i_is_cat:

meshe, i've got 6 pages open from googling ;)

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i_is_cat:

thanks for the link tho

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sid3windr:

MOAR GOOGEL

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meshe:

i wonder if by trying to be helpful and googling for people i'm effectively reinforcing their propensity to not google for themselves...

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sid3windr:

lmgtfy.com is what you want

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[15:51:45]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, unpluging mine for around 30 minutes seemed to fix anything like that

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Humm... Was yours seeing codes via 'mode2' but not functioning otherwise? That's what mine is doing... I tried unplugging it for like a minute or two... guess I didn't let the internal capactitor drain down enough, eh? ;-)

[15:54:35]

i_is_cat:

anyone wanna buy an ati 550 pro card? ;)

[15:54:35]

i_is_cat:

lol

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, mine when I was playing with it would just stop receiving entirely

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** J-e-f-f-A wouldn't touch anything ATI with a cattleprod... ;-) **

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Humm... Well, I'll try it nontheless. ;-) Can't hurt anything.

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meshe:

i_is_cat: no, but i'll take an hdpvr cheap :)

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i_is_cat:

lol

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i_is_cat:

i have no use for hdpvr personally.. i have no high def tv's and no digital cable..

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kormoc:

so... mail it to me? ;)

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meshe:

i need one for purposes other than capturing mere tv

[16:02:37]

i_is_cat:

lol its not mine, its my uncles.. he tore up his mythbox to use the parts in a nas but i think he still wants to hang on to the hdpvr

[16:02:47]

i_is_cat:

and is interested in that hdfury thing too..

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J-e-f-f-A:

i_is_cat: I don't have a HD TV either. ;-) But I've got HD-capable widscreen computer monitors on my myth boxes. ;-) hehehehehe

[16:05:06]

i_is_cat:

same here but with no hd content to view or record whats the point in having the box

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i_is_cat:

funny thing is my uncle went and got himself a motorola pvr box and thinks its pretty neat he's all "oh it does full 1080 resolution and the hdpvr is limited to 720" i was like ya? well then explain why your picture looks like a pile of puked fuzz? lol he doesnt watch tv with his glasses and never noticed the picture looks like shit

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RyeBrye:

the hdpvr is not limited to 720

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RyeBrye:

your uncle needs to give it to me

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i_is_cat:

haha

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i_is_cat:

if anything, id be taking it off his hands

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kormoc:

if the signal inbound is 720, it's limited to 720

[16:07:44]

RyeBrye:

true

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i_is_cat:

i never even got it working on his system.. that was like a year and a bit ago and then i moved and he just shelved it

[16:08:30]

RyeBrye:

but only fools are enslaved in space and time

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i_is_cat:

got his 150 and 350 going and then he went and got the hdpvr after i showed it to him and i didnt get much time to play with it unfortunately

[16:09:34]

i_is_cat:

i was just over there last night and the mythbox is missing (again the parts) but the hdpvr is just sitting on the floor where i left it over a year ago lol

[16:10:11]

i_is_cat:

i think ill pop up a craigslist ad for this ati piece of crap and see if i get any bites

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RyeBrye:

you could at least "borrow it" and give it back to him when he "asks for it" – which pretty much would be the same thing as taking

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i_is_cat:

ya but i still dont have any hd input so i'd rather take his 350 and mceusb

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babbage_:

Is anybody using a Silverstone SST-LC20 case?

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RyeBrye:

I'm using a Sivlerstone case, but not that one

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phunyguy_work:

dangit

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phunyguy_work:

thought i got the ir receiver working

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phunyguy_work:

had two devices /dev/lirc, and /dev/lirc0

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phunyguy_work:

turns out they are the same thing :(

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i_is_cat:

well its up on craigslist now

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i_is_cat:

hopefully someone will offer me $50 or trade for a dif card

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CyberKnet:

hdpvr for $50?

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CyberKnet:

oh no, the ati thing.

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CyberKnet:

heh

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RyeBrye:

I think he's talking about the video card he's trying to get rid of

[16:37:56]

CyberKnet:

I was thinking "Yeah, TONS of people would give you $50 for a hdpvr!"

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CyberKnet:

:D

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i_is_cat:

lol

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i_is_cat:

and now its on kijiji also

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i_is_cat:

seems like all i ever get from those sites is spam, but whatever..

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CyberKnet:

I ordered a HVR-2250 yesterday, but I still wouldn't mind having an HD-PVR for channels that I can't get over that.

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phunyguy_work:

if a remote says "MCE" does that mean it is media center compatible?

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phunyguy_work:

like the dvico fusion MCE remote?

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meshe:

CyberKnet: amazon.com has the hd-pvr's for $203

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CyberKnet:

meshe: Dell has it for $164

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sid3windr:

dell sells hd-pvr's?

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meshe:

nice

[16:50:52]

CyberKnet:

http://www.geektonic.com/2009/05/deal-of-day- . . . 65-free.html

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CyberKnet:

got that link from www.steventoth.net

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meshe:

nice, they're back in stock

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jonK1:

question — where would I set default " advanced options" for scheduling recordings in mythweb? I'd like to not have to check "auto-flag commercials" and "auto-expire recordings" each time

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kormoc:

you don't currently

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jonK1:

I seem to

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kormoc:

meaning you don't set defaults

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meshe:

mine seems to do that with my mythbuntu 8.10 install

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kormoc:

it uses the backend's default, there's no way to do it just for mythweb

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jonK1:

well, allow me to rephrase, what do i need to configure so I don't have to set the advanced display options each time

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meshe:

recording profiles i beleive

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meshe:

in the frontend

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jonK1:

only thing close in recording profile is to enable auto-transcode — nothing about comflag or auto-expire — at least where i was looking

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meshe:

then i don't know, sorry

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Mirrors:

Good afternoon everyone. I need some help configuring MythTV to receive cable broadcasts via a USB cable card.

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kormoc:

There are no linux drivers for cablecard setups

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schlazor:

completely OT, but does anyone have any experience with the TVs in the staterooms of princess cruise ships? are there inputs? are they disabled?

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tank-man:

i think the are like tvs in hotels

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tank-man:

locked down

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tank-man:

no choices for you

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schlazor:

man that annoys me

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CyberKnet:

always loved how hotels do that.

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schlazor:

especially the ones with widescreen HDTVs with stretched analog SD content

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clever:

every hotel is diff

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clever:

some cheap ass hotels have a 5$ dvd player going into the inputs, which you can use for your own:P

[17:43:31]

clever:

one hotel had an hdtv with every input you can imagine, and was feeding it SD analog via coax!

[17:43:50]

schlazor:

yeah, that's what i see most often, and all those tasty inputs were disabled

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clever:

often they have a STB glued to the back and intercepting the IR and coax

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schlazor:

don't try unplugging the coax

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schlazor:

yeah

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clever:

the coax sometimes has a special socket over it so you cant remove it without the right tool

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clever:

the new place with HDTV

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clever:

's has vga in so i can easily connect a laptop/desktop

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schlazor:

nice

[17:45:50]

clever:

and it isnt disabled, but you have the wrong remote, so you need to use the buttons on the tv itself

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laga:

clever: how often do you check out these hotels?

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schlazor:

the two places i've been recently were a hilton and a sofitel both in minneapolis and they had similar setups with HDTVs but the buttons on the TV were disabled

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clever:

laga: dad travels alot when working and i often go with him

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GreyFoxx:

schlazor: I was recently on a cruise with norweigan and they had hdtv capable TV's which had imports and a digital tuner in them

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clever:

schlazor: sometimes theres a rj45 plug on the back going to the 'STB' which seems to do the disabling

[17:47:39]

clever:

if i unplug that, things return to normal

[17:47:59]

Mirrors:

Hey folks, trying to configure MythTV. The card I'm using is a USB NTSC/ATSC/QAM/HDTV receiver (has a USB plug on one end and an RF connector on the other). Which card type do I go with?

[17:48:04]

schlazor:

clever: well i did that once and the TV started making a terrible "someone is trying to steal me" noise

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clever:

lol

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clever:

never had that

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clever:

but it looks very similar to the rj45 used for security

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clever:

just make shure it goes to a STB and not the wall:P

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schlazor:

:)

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CyberKnet:

Mirrors: need more information. Brand/make/model?

[17:49:29]

Mirrors:

Not really certain. It's a custom made unit for the EVO Smart Console

[17:49:38]

Dagmar:

Mirrors: You're going to have to be more specific than that

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Dagmar:

The answers probably going to be "not usable" then

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meshe:

does lsusb show it?

[17:50:31]

CyberKnet:

Almost certainly. Exceptions exist, but they are really few and enormously far between.

[17:50:36]

Dagmar:

There's an outside possibility it might be something that could be used...

[17:50:53]

Dagmar:

If you're very, very lucky, it's just not been branded by the manufacturer

[17:50:55]

meshe:

does dmesg show anything?

[17:51:02]

Dagmar:

lsusb will tell it's vendor and product codes

[17:51:10]

CyberKnet:

Did it come with a free coffee maker?

[17:51:19]

Dagmar:

With these you can look it up at the linux USB site and find otu what it "really" is

[17:51:30]

Mirrors:

Using an HVR-950Q

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Dagmar:

If it's something that's listed with driver support by V4L, you're probably going to be able to get it from there

[17:51:52]

Dagmar:

What it?

[17:52:13]

Dagmar:

What about the HVR-950Q

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Mirrors:

That's what the card is, so I'm told.

[17:52:32]

iamlindoro:

Mirrors: The HVR-950Q works fine in linux

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Dagmar:

Who told you that

[17:52:42]

Mirrors:

Okay, good to know. What card type is it?

[17:52:43]

iamlindoro:

Did the EVO Smart consoles actually get built?

[17:52:47]

Mirrors:

Yes.

[17:53:01]

iamlindoro:

Weird

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iamlindoro:

icky web site

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iamlindoro:

DVB card type

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Mirrors:

Still in beta testing. I just got a job with them. :-)

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Dagmar:

Just because it's relatively the same shape as an HVR-950Q doesn't mean a whole lot

[17:53:36]

Dagmar:

You gotta type faster, hehe

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iamlindoro:

Hope that you guys aren't keeping the same ancient specs on those boxes

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Dagmar:

If it actually is an HVR-950q (and this is the important thing) it identifies itself to the USB bus as that, you're good to go

[17:55:36]

iamlindoro:

I note you guys advertise it as a DVR-- is that to say you will be distributing Myth with it?

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Dagmar:

If it's been diddled to say it's some proprietary device, but it's actually a plain HVR-950Q you just need to hack up the driver that handles the HVR-950q a bit so the kernel can recognize it as such

[17:56:36]

Mirrors:

iamlindoro: Not sure if I'm at liberty to say.

[17:56:40]

Dagmar:

If it's been diddled and altered so it's "not quite" an HVR-950q (like a lot of those damn Chinese USB webcams) you've got a problem

[17:57:19]

Mirrors:

Well, I'm going to fool around with it some. Thanks a lot for the help.

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iamlindoro:

That speaks well of a company selling an "open source video game platform"

[17:59:30]

iamlindoro:

I'LL NEVER TELL!

[17:59:45]

iamlindoro:

"Mirrors Evolution is a modified version of Fedora 8,"

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iamlindoro:

heh

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Dagmar:

Whoa

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iamlindoro:

"with an ATI HD 3200"

[18:00:17]

iamlindoro:

FAIL

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Dagmar:

Kirov: like, for example, http://pawsforconcern.guildportal.com looks quite a bit different in IE than FF

[18:00:27]

Dagmar:

wrong chan

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RyeBrye:

Anyone here use mythgame at all?

[18:01:29]

squidly:

i've used it in the past.

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RyeBrye:

I guess a better question would be – anyone else have a setup with multiple joysticks from different manufacturers that all happen to NOT have serial number or unique properties set on them that has set up udev naming scripts for them?

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Dagmar:

If their interfaces work differently and they don't identify uniquely, you're just boned

[18:04:16]

RyeBrye:

Fortunately their interfaces work the same

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RyeBrye:

I have 2 from one ghetto manufacturer, and 2 Dreamcast->USB adapters... so I think I can make a script to shove them in one of two bins (I don't care which one becomes controller 1 or controller 2 – that's easy enough to figure out)

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CyberKnet:

To be fair "not sure if I'm at liberty to say" is not the same thing as "I am prohibited from telling you."

[18:13:56]

CyberKnet:

and in all fairness, he did say that he just got a job with them – it is very plausable that he just isn't familiar with company policy yet.

[18:14:39]

CyberKnet:

Unlikely, imho ... but possible.

[18:15:30]

Dagmar:

Nah, it says "I signed an NDA that I didn't read very carefully and I'm not sure if I still own both my own testicles."

[18:15:49]

CyberKnet:

heh

[18:15:50]

tmwsiy20121:

or either of them

[18:16:39]

Dagmar:

After the second or third company, you actually *do* tend to start reading them

[18:16:42]

kormoc:

well, he did say it was a cablecard device, which currently doesn't have linux drivers due to the lack of certification

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iamlindoro:

He then said it was a 950Q, which is just a QAM tuner, though

[18:17:20]

iamlindoro:

I would guess it was terminology mistakes

[18:17:39]

CyberKnet:

Yeah... I also read it as a terminology mistake.

[18:17:41]

iamlindoro:

which makes things even more terrifying if he's the guy in change of making their DVR (likely Myth) software work ;)

[18:17:56]

kormoc:

<Mirrors> Hey folks, trying to configure MythTV. The card I'm using is a USB NTSC/ATSC/QAM/HDTV receiver

[18:18:15]

iamlindoro:

"Mirrors: Using an HVR-950Q"

[18:18:17]

kormoc:

That to me says he's really confused

[18:19:25]

CyberKnet:

So who's going to be the guy who emails them the beirdobot log url and infers their dvr programmer may not be up to snuff?

[18:19:27]

CyberKnet:

:P

[18:19:29]

iamlindoro:

http://www.evosmartconsole.com/

[18:19:45]

iamlindoro:

That does not strike me as a company that will be doing a lot of hiring in the future

[18:19:59]

iamlindoro:

mmm, dithering

[18:20:09]

kormoc:

Ooh, nice, a modded ps2

[18:20:25]

Dagmar:

...and only about forty bucks more than the PS3!

[18:20:44]

iamlindoro:

Nothing says fourth generation console like a 16 color web site

[18:20:52]

Dagmar:

I think their biz model might need some work, but as long as the paychecks keep coming, more power to him

[18:21:27]

CyberKnet:

Hey, that's some nice aliasing.

[18:21:33]

Dagmar:

No it's not.

[18:21:48]

Dagmar:

That's called "I haven't learned how to manage rescaling artifacts yet"

[18:21:52]

sid3windr:

good site.

[18:21:58]

sid3windr:

allows flat html instead of full flash.

[18:21:58]

CyberKnet:

Really? I think it looks really edgy.

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Dagmar:

I figure it's a "thrown up" job

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CyberKnet:

hah. get it? aliased ... edgy ...

[18:22:17]

CyberKnet:

aaah well.

[18:22:19]

Dagmar:

CyberKnet: When the letter stroke is three pixels high and it's blurred, there's a problem

[18:22:22]

Dagmar:

Oh I see

[18:22:25]

Dagmar:

You were being "ironic"

[18:22:34]

Dagmar:

;)

[18:22:39]

CyberKnet:

it's bad anti-aliasing. It was nice aliasing.

[18:22:47]

kormoc:

I figure when the test overflows the content boxes, it wasn't a professional site...

[18:22:51]

Dagmar:

It's bad aliasing, too.

[18:23:06]

sid3windr:

=)

[18:23:10]

Dagmar:

I'm figuring it's just up there to "make do for now"

[18:23:35]

iamlindoro:

With modern titles like Super Tux, how could they go wrong?

[18:23:35]

Dagmar:

Maybe an hour or two of work would clean it up and make it look 100% better. I don't think someone deliberately didn't do that, I think they were time-constrained.

[18:23:51]

iamlindoro:

"EVO: Direct games currently only work on the Windows EVO hardware."

[18:23:52]

iamlindoro:

HAHAHAH

[18:24:28]

iamlindoro:

http://www.evosmartconsole.com/htversion/games6.html

[18:24:33]

iamlindoro:

I could spend all day at this

[18:24:42]

iamlindoro:

http://www.evosmartconsole.com/htversion/games7.html

[18:24:46]

iamlindoro:

Extreme tux racer!

[18:24:48]

Dagmar:

Yeah but then you'd be a Republican

[18:24:49]

sid3windr:

Direct Games are DirectX :>

[18:24:54]

iamlindoro:

Super Tux Kart!

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kormoc:

EVO Game Benefits: Games Are Certified To Work

[18:25:00]

kormoc:

Woo!

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iamlindoro:

30 days of support, too

[18:25:59]

iamlindoro:

if your games need tech support, you have a problem

[18:26:13]

iamlindoro:

"Let's see, then you should apt-get libqt4..."

[18:26:19]

Dagmar:

You've not bought many games recently, I can tell.

[18:26:20]

CyberKnet:

case in point: Microsoft 3ROD

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CyberKnet:

:P

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: wrong

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meshe:

oooh, how much is tux racer?

[18:26:38]

Dagmar:

Even freaking PS3 and XBox360 games need patching now

[18:26:47]

iamlindoro:

Which is all handled automatically

[18:27:03]

iamlindoro:

"This game requires an update. Mash the green thing in front of you once."

[18:27:16]

iamlindoro:

Which != needing tech support

[18:27:25]

Dagmar:

Yes, but it's still the support circuit that makes that happen

[18:27:29]

** CyberKnet wonders why the starbucks cup isn't doing anything after getting mashed. **

[18:27:37]

iamlindoro:

Which is not even slightly what's being advertised here

[18:27:46]

Dagmar:

Gotta have a TS route if you want to get the info about what things you'll need to put in an upcoming patch

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: my littlebigplanet is still crash happy

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Dagmar:

Thinking white-box testers will solve every problem is how you get Microsoft's security

[18:28:30]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: You have that too?

[18:28:30]

wagnerrp:

and thats about 7 months old

[18:28:42]

Dagmar:

Are people still furiously cranking out crappy achievement maps?

[18:29:07]

wagnerrp:

Dagmar: of course, its like anything else with user generated content

[18:29:27]

Dagmar:

Jeez you think there would just be a section to corral them all up into by now

[18:29:32]

wagnerrp:

but that doesnt mean you cant just search for most popular, or most hearted, and filter out most of that crap

[18:29:38]

Dagmar:

I like the game, but the other people... ugh

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kormoc:

Dagmar, welcome to the human race

[18:29:58]

Dagmar:

Half the time I see some idiot who is ENTHRALLED with the fact that he can slap people

[18:30:06]

wagnerrp:

did you see zeropunctuation's review on that game?

[18:30:09]

Dagmar:

Yep

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iamlindoro:

Corralling groups of people up is the kind of thing that gets people in trouble

[18:30:16]

wagnerrp:

basically that exact complaint

[18:30:18]

Dagmar:

It practically glowed

[18:30:26]

Dagmar:

...but he did mention that

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Dagmar:

I actually use him to make determinations on what to buy

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Dagmar:

...because if he didn't completely trash the game, it's probably worth at least a renta

[18:30:57]

Dagmar:

l

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wagnerrp:

heh... ill agree with that

[18:32:02]

Dagmar:

He's like the anti-marketer.

[18:32:48]

Dagmar:

Where others may describe the game in terms of a line that can be drawn to outline the best features of the game, he draws that line along the lowest, worst parts as his primary focus

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Dagmar:

Other reviewers seem to like to gloss over the "drunken irishman camera control" problem

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: What version of the HD-PVR firmware are you using? Do you use your HD-PVR very much?

[18:47:37]

iamlindoro:

I'm still using the first publicly available firmware with AC3 support, and I only need to use it on occasion

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RDV_Linux:

Thanks. I am also using the same firmware. Just curious on whether I should upgrade.

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iamlindoro:

I haven't heard any really compelling reason to do so

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Mirrors:

Has anyone been able to get the HVR-950q to receive analog cable broadcasts on mythTV?

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cire:

My mythtv doesn't shut down from mythwelcome. I set sudo mythshutdown --shutdown as shutdown-action, and mythshutdown --check as check-action. Check action gets executed, and returns "0", but nothing happens...

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babbage_:

Is there another IRC channel better for HTPC Linux hardware questions?

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cire:

it counts from 30 to 0, and again from 30 to 0...

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wagnerrp:

babbage_: at least for tuner hardware, try #linuxtv

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gbee:

babbage_: for tuner cards and associated hardware #linuxtv

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wagnerrp:

beat you... :P

[18:58:34]

gbee:

:p

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gbee:

for processor/ram/gpu here would be fine, although I think that subject is covered in the wiki

[18:59:23]

wagnerrp:

linuxtv handles everything run through the DVB and V4L subsystems

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wagnerrp:

which means pretty much everything but encoder cards, the HDHR and the HDPVR

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gbee:

and it varies wildly depending on your requirements, HD/SD, size, noise, heat, power, combined FE/BE, standalone FE, standalone BE etc

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wagnerrp:

basically, there is no one-size-fits-all

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gbee:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8027907.stm

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gbee:

nothing really new, but might be of interest to someone

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babbage_:

wagnerrp, I understand.

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babbage_:

Really, I want to select a motherboard and graphics card combination that will work well. I've had annoying experiences with both ATI (crashes after quitting OpenGL programs) and Nvidia (proprietary driver is annoying to install and incompatible with Xen, free driver has no GL).

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babbage_:

Onboard surround-sound with downmixed outputs would also be an advantage.

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wagnerrp:

well you dont need opengl support, only xv

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babbage_:

Fair enough.

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wagnerrp:

however youre not even likely to get xv support out of most cards with the OSS drivers

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babbage_:

!xv

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wagnerrp:

XV is the minimum necessary to run mythtv

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wagnerrp:

technically, you can do without it

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wagnerrp:

but youre going to pull a lot more processor, and be limited in other ways

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wagnerrp:

ideally, you dont have a graphics card, but use onboard

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babbage_:

That would work for me.

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CyberKnet:

I've had great luck with my Gigabyte GA-M78SM-S2H

[19:32:22]

CyberKnet:

even got HDMI Audio working somehow.

[19:32:42]

CyberKnet:

I don't know that it's still generally available, but take it for what it's worth, I suppose.

[19:33:04]

CyberKnet:

IIRC, there's a newer version of that motherboard that has onboard firewire too.

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gbee:

a lot of people, myself included have gone for some variation of the Asus M3N78 or it's newer 9400 based equivalent

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joakim__:

Hi All, I have looked everywhere (it feels like) to get my mythtvbackend with a novo t-500 card to distrubute/stream one of the recivers tv signal to a standalone frontend (one of the kids machines) but I cant get it to work and cant find any guides on the matter either. Is this possible at all or do I have to get a second tv card for the otherfront end ? would be very greatful for any info about this

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cire:

where does mythtv store the setup-data? (mythtv-setup)

[19:44:10]

clever:

mysql

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cire:

ohh... that's why greping the whole directory won't help ;)

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Wicked:

hmm so i got mythweb up and running which is very nice...but when i 1st visited it it looked nice and had icons and stuff...then i visited it from my cellphone and it was a simpler interface...which is good...but then when i went back and visited from my desktop again....i got the same trimmed down simple interface...

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gbee:

thought that bug had been fixed

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Wicked:

hmm. im using mythweb from the latest svn(as of like 2 days ago)

[19:58:22]

cire:

when being in mythwelcome, pressing return doesn't bring back mythfrontend.

[19:58:36]

cire:

I set "exec mythwelcome" in .xinitrc

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gbee:

kormoc: the template bug hasn't been fixed yet?

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cire:

do you have any ideas?

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kormoc:

gbee, only in -trunk

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Lhorian:

hello

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gbee:

kormoc: ok thanks, I was sure I'd seen a fix go in, I just didn't remember that it had not been backported

[20:08:21]

gbee:

at least I'm not going crazy :)

[20:09:24]

gbee:

well maybe I am, but this doesn't constitute proof

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Lhorian:

anyone around who has experience with setting-up diseqc in mythtv?

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squidly:

Wicked: I think that is pretty good

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squidly:

well written and documented

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Lhorian:

squidly: you mean diseqc is well doumented?

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gbee:

?

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Wicked:

hmm

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squidly:

sorry

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squidly:

omg that was the wrong chan

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squidly:

I need to pay attention to my windows in irssi

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Lhorian:

never mind

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squidly:

Lhorian: and sorry I have not setup anything like that.

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gbee:

Lhorian: try the wiki

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squidly:

my boss uses irblasted to control DirectTV dish's and STB

[20:16:28]

Lhorian:

bgee: The wiki describes how it should be, unfortunately my mythbox does not work as expected :-(

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Lhorian:

gbee: sorry for misspelling your nick

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gbee:

Lhorian: sorry, I've no experience of setting up anything more complicated than a single LNB

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Lhorian:

anyone else diseqc experience?

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iamlindoro:

Would be better just to ask your question rather than wait on a volunteer

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meshe:

Lhorian: try the mailing list mythtv-users you'll probably find more people there with experience in that area

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iamlindoro:

I personally never volunteer to answer questions, even if I know to topic well, until I've heard what the problem is

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iamlindoro:

s/to/the/

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Lhorian:

OK, I have the following setup

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Lhorian:

Card 0 is DVB-T card from technotrend TT-1500

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Lhorian:

Card 1 is a DVB-S technotrend TT-1500-S which is connected to a diseqc 2.0 switch

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Lhorian:

the switch has 2 inputs, the LNB's are pointing to Astra 19.2 and Astra 28.2

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Lhorian:

using dvbapps the setup is working well, using Mythtv it is impossible to scan the 2 nd sat position

[20:29:32]

Lhorian:

is diseqc OK in mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, Diseqc is fine in Myth

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iamlindoro:

Have you followed the walkthrough here? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S

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Lhorian:

yep, although my screens are a little different concerning the switch, I can't set any address of the switch

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gbee:

"Some screenshots in this guide picture options from the trunk version of MythTV"

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gbee:

which isn't smart

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Lhorian:

afaik setting the address shouldn't be neccessary, so I'm ignoring that

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iamlindoro:

Add it to the list of un-smart, un-approved, and un-acceptable things I've tried to do for myth

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Lhorian:

is DVBapps using a different routine when 'talking' to the switch?

[20:41:16]

Lhorian:

When I try to scan the 2nd position, I only see channels appearing from position 1

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Lhorian:

A little googling today yielded some results, however, most cases were over 3 years old....

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gbee:

iamlindoro: well I'd apologise, but something tells me that you aren't in the mood to hear it :/

[20:43:33]

iamlindoro:

gbee, I know you didn't mean it personally, just frustrating and feeling damned-if-I-do-damned-if-I-don't lately

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iamlindoro:

FWIW there was *no* DVB-S page before I wrote one, and it's not as though the wiki is chock full of accurate, thoroughly written documentation on certain topics

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Lhorian:

iamlindoro: at least there is documentation, and it doesn't need to be perfect at once

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Lhorian:

iamlindoro: The last weeks I'm thinking to write some for dvb-t

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iamlindoro:

Lhorian, As to why that's happening to you, I really don't know, but I'd wager it had something to do with the configuration of the switch in mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro:

Specifically the type and number of ports, you might try experimenting with some of the other values

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Lhorian:

I've tried minidiseqc today, unfortunately sith same results.

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iamlindoro:

You might also see what the console output is when you set up the switch/LNBs/try to scan

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iamlindoro:

Might be informative

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Lhorian:

tomorrow I'll try a 4 port switch setup (to try AA, AB, BA and BB)

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Lhorian:

iamlindoro: you mean start myth-backend setup in a terminal and watch the output in the terminal?

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iamlindoro:

mythtv-setup, yes

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gbee:

iamlindoro: you know I really appreciate all the efforts you've made for myth and I'd like to think we'd be friends (though I feel it's a stretch to say that for anyone you've never met in person), I just don't have the energy right now to tiptoe around people – I did it for far too long with justinh and it's tiring

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Lhorian:

iamlindoro: tomorrow I give it a shot

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gbee:

now I might regret being that blunt later ...

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Lhorian:

Is it easy to submit knowledge to the mythtv wiki?

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iamlindoro:

gbee, no, doubt you knew I had written it when commenting so, and didn't take it as a personal slight

[20:52:42]

gbee:

didn't even occur to me that you might have, although at some time in the past I suspect that I'd seen you talking about the page

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iamlindoro:

gbee, I'll likely become less frustrated when I'm not sitting on a mountain of uncommitted tickets, and will likely refrain from working on things where certain people feel the need to exert their authority in the future

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iamlindoro:

gbee, None of which is your fault, so it wasn't intended to annoy/be irritable

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Lhorian:

iamlindoro: Just tried a 4-port switch.

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Lhorian:

It seems its working

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Lhorian:

:-)

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meshe:

side note, i've made some good friends online, a few of which I plan on visiting in the UK

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iamlindoro:

Lhorian, Ah, good, glad to hear it

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meshe:

chatting with them for 4+ years now, got to know them pretty well

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Lhorian:

iamlindoro: is it complex to add this knowledge to the wiki? If I find some time I would be happy to contribute on some subjects.

[21:02:25]

iamlindoro:

Lhorian, No more complex than any other wiki-- I can add that bit, though

[21:02:36]

iamlindoro:

Lhorian, Just sign up and edit a page, that's all there is to it

[21:04:32]

iamlindoro:

There, added a note on that topic

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Lhorian:

OK guys, thanks for your help, time to go to bed for me

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Lhorian:

bye everybody

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meshe:

where's sphery been?

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gbee:

met a lot of people I've know online, in a few cases their online persona didn't match up with their 'real world' self, either because they tended to be careful about the image they portrayed online – the ability to self edit emails/IRC helps there, or I only knew them when discussing narrow topics

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jams:

meshe- on vacation

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jams:

will be back late this week

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meshe:

nice, good for him, hope he's having fun :)

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gbee:

which isn't to say I've not become friends with the majority, but there is much you can learn about someone in one night over a beer than you'd never discover in years via IRC etc

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meshe:

gbee: heh, i could see that

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gbee:

s/never/ever/

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gbee:

actually, think I was intending to say "that you'd never"

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meshe:

i'm need to find the time/money to go on a canal trip in the UK with friends of mine from IRC, should be a blast

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gbee:

that's something I've been meaning to do for a while now, grew up in a small town which was a local hub for canal activities, my little sister had a birthday party on board an event boat aged ~7

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gbee:

my ancestors worked along the canals in the 1800s too, so it's always fascinated me

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meshe:

a friend of mine has a canal boat, it looks pretty awesome

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meshe:

that's cool gbee, you should totally do it

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gbee:

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkie . . . ar_trek_film

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sid3windr:

hmm

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sid3windr:

if I go to channel editor, I see stuff like ARD (501) (DVB-C)

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sid3windr:

if I press enter on it, then go back to that list

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sid3windr:

it says ARD (501)

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sid3windr:

bug? :)

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CyberKnet:

Time to go home and forget my troubles. later folks.

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pembo13:

once mythweb has switched to the mobile front end, how does one get it to swtich back?

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Wicked:

pembo13, hey. i asked the same exact question earlier....from what i understand its a known bug

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pembo13:

Wicked: darn

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Wicked:

and i never did find the solution

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pembo13:

it's a nice feature

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pembo13:

but it doesn't go back

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Wicked:

yea

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pembo13:

must be a field in the db somewhere

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Wicked:

hmm i guess its fixed in trunk

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Wicked:

thats what was said earlier.

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pembo13:

Wicked: well mythweb probably does have RW on the file system

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pembo13:

Wicked: so it mus tbe in the db

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Wicked:

yea. or even having a dropdown box on the page would work.

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Wicked:

yuo could select normal or mobile

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