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Sunday, May 3rd, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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mrdale:

newbie with a few questions.

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mrdale:

1. can you set up a mythtv install to work with directv

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mrdale:

?

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mrdale:

will myth tv work ok on a p4 level processor

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mrdale:

?

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_abbenormal:

yes thru a capture card hooked to there receiver

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_abbenormal:

that one is on myth web site

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mrdale:

what does a capture card cost

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_abbenormal:

most all can be answered on the wiki

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_abbenormal:

dont know

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_abbenormal:

never had a need to buy one

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mrdale:

OK, off to the wiki,

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_abbenormal:

google is your friend try capture card linux

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jroysdon:

$100 for a capture card + remote

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jroysdon:

I like this one: http://jason.roysdon.net/?p=50

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jroysdon:

HVR-1600

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mrdale:

thanks.

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madsara_:

Hey, anyone familar w/ Sabrent bt878 cards?

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madsara_:

More specifically http://www.bttv-gallery.de/ (the 3d vision card). I need to know what card and tuner type to pass to the bttv module upon loading.

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dannz:

i have a bt878 card, and whenever i click scan channels, mythtv-setup crashes

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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docelm0:

probably a dumb question and I see the topic but can I get some insight to a IVTV issue with a PVR150?

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dannz:

for some reason only 1xxx chan ids are showing in my channel selector

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dannz:

anyone?

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mattwj2002:

are you using an HDTV or DVB tuner?

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dannz:

prv-150

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dannz:

*pvr

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mattwj2002:

hmm

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mattwj2002:

no idea then :)

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dannz:

heh

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dannz:

mythfilldatabase cant even see the channels

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dannz:

they are in the db

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dannz:

i can see them

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dannz:

must be a bug or something :/

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mattwj2002:

did you select to fill the database or scan it?

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dannz:

with mythfilldatabase?

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dannz:

fill

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dannz:

they arent showing in the channel selector either

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mattwj2002:

no when you scanned the channels

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mattwj2002:

hmmm

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dannz:

fill

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dannz:

there are in the DB

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dannz:

i can see them in phpmyadmin

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dannz:

but they are showing in the guide

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mattwj2002:

if you just fill the database instead of scanning to see what channels are available.....

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dannz:

and i can change it with the number keys

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mattwj2002:

I think it dumps all of the channels in

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dannz:

now they are all showing...

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dannz:

but now the channels from the 1st tuner have vanished

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mattwj2002:

not sure what to tell you

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dannz:

heh

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mattwj2002:

anyone else have an idea?

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mattwj2002:

:)

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dannz:

its like when i pick a channel from one tuner, the channels from that tuner show, and when i pick a channel from the other tuner, only those channels from that tuner show

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docelm0:

Anyone maybe?

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dannz:

argh

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dannz:

im being thick

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dannz:

its the feature that lets you pick between sources

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jared3227:

just installed myth earlier today and have since screwed it up. I would like to completely uninstall it so i can start over. need somone to walk me through getting rid of it to the point i dont have leftovers that screw up adding it again

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tank-man:

how did you install it?

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jared3227:

ubuntu add remove

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jared3227:

just removed it through there

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jared3227:

removed it all in synamptic

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RyeBrye:

that should remove it all then

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jared3227:

and did a search for mythtv and deleted all the files i could find

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jared3227:

well there seemed to be some left over files

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jared3227:

can i remove mysql to make sure i got it all or would there be something else dependant

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jared3227:

right now its pretty much a base ubuntu 9.04 install

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jared3227:

but added open office database

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** clever shakes his head **

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RyeBrye:

just drop mythconverg if you have to

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RyeBrye:

mysql -u root -p (enter) then type "drop database mythconverg;"

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RyeBrye:

assuming you still have a blank root passwrod, which... I'm guessing you do

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jared3227:

well somewhere along the way i cant seem to get into mysql using mysql administrator or the command you just gave

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jared3227:

Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)

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jared3227:

thats the error

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clever:

then mysql isnt running

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jared3227:

oh

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jared3227:

so how do i get it running?

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clever:

which could also cause major problems with mythtv itself

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clever:

sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start

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jared3227:

starting failed

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clever:

then something is majorly wrong with mysql

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clever:

which could explain your original mythtv problems

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jared3227:

yes indeed

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clever:

are any of the drives full?

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jared3227:

not even close

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clever:

then you should check the sql error logs

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clever:

might say something in /var/log/daemon.log or /var/log/mysql/

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jared3227:

Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists!

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jared3227:

that give any clues?

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clever:

not realy

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clever:

##mysql may know more about mysql

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clever:

#mysql may know even more

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jared3227:

k

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Shadow__X:

hey clever so how many hours have you stayed up this timne

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jared3227:

what about just removing it in synaptic? and then re add myth which should reinstall it since its a dependant

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clever:

Shadow__X: less then normal:P

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Shadow__X:

jared3227, mythtv depends on mysql

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Shadow__X:

so if mysql no working niether will myth

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jared3227:

right

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clever:

jared3227: and what nobody ever thinks, is that the config(and databases) are kept when you do that, so you dont fix anything

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Shadow__X:

ah well thats good sleep is good

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clever:

the program itself is allmost never broken

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jared3227:

ohh

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clever:

and dpgk will keep the config intact

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clever:

keeping your problem intact:P

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jared3227:

even with a complete removal?

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clever:

enless you use the purge command

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clever:

but its better to just fix it in the first place

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jared3227:

hmm k

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clever:

so go ask the #Mysql guys whats broken

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jared3227:

ok thanks alot for your help

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jared3227:

#mysql says i need to be registered to join?

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jared3227:

Cannot join #Mysql: Registration is required. You need to be identified to join that channel

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RyeBrye:

register on freenode

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RyeBrye:

look at the motd on how to do that

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tank-man:

keeps out the basic noobs ;)

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jared3227:

haha well wont keep me out i guess

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jared3227:

so i found the nickserv commands that i need to register but where do i type them?

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RyeBrye:

in /msg

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RyeBrye:

you /msg nickserv

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RyeBrye:

there might be a #freenode that can help

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mchou:

lol

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Varanger:

hello!

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Varanger:

I have a strange problem, I have upgraded distro and now whenever I enter to mythbackend or frontend I get all the texts scrappy... I can't read anything... is it common?

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Varanger:

what can be happening?

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wagnerrp:

someone else mentioned some buggy text upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04

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Varanger:

wagnerrp: I am using Ubuntu 8.10

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wagnerrp:

you just upgraded to 8.10?

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Varanger:

the funny thing is that I don't get the funny text if I enter to the backend through mytbuntu control center

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Varanger:

I always use Ubuntu one-before-the-last version

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wagnerrp:

anyway, debugging of mythtv on ubuntu should really be handled by #ubuntu or #ubuntu-mythtv

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Varanger:

ok thanks wagnerrp

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RyeBrye:

Varanger: I always use Ubuntu one-before-the-last version

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RyeBrye:

I'm sad he left, I wanted to see how much he saved on the used version of Ubuntu

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wagnerrp:

im wondering why he quit, rather than just left the channel

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RyeBrye:

yeah, strange

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RyeBrye:

I was really wanting to pick on him for that "use the old ubuntu version" policy – since that basically means he will always be on a relatively ancient kernel

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jared3227:

well i managed to pretty well get rid of mysql and myth... but on reinstalling myth i have gotten some errors so need some help sorting though them

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RyeBrye:

I've never had errors installing myth

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RyeBrye:

err mysql

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RyeBrye:

mysql starts?

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jared3227:

this was after trying to uninstall it after breaking it

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jared3227:

hmm good point let me check

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wagnerrp:

are these myth errors? or mysql errors?

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RyeBrye:

#ubuntu-myth probably knows better – since it sounds like its an issue with their packaging

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RyeBrye:

but maybe its an easy thing for us to figure out

[06:08:45]

RyeBrye:

by us I mean someone else

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RyeBrye:

since I'm tired and am probably in a bad mood so I'll be asleep soon

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jared3227:

haha ok

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jared3227:

here it goes ill try and type it all out in paste bin and post that

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RyeBrye:

try copying it and pasting it into pastebin – might be faster

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RyeBrye:

but I bet there is a typeitalloutbin somewhere too ;)

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inteliwasp:

is there a guide to troubleshooting a tv card that i can follow or is there someone here who can help me?

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jared3227:

well i couldnt copy it from the window, didnt have that option

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jared3227:

here it is the error

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jared3227:

http://pastebin.ca/1410976

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wagnerrp:

oh yeah, definately a packager error

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wagnerrp:

complain to ubuntu

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jared3227:

im not complaining im just looking for help on how to fix it

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jared3227:

i have no idea how to

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jared3227:

or where to start

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jared3227:

first time i installed myth it seemed to work fine

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cpg:

hi all, i'm trying to configure mythweb. it's failing asaying it cannot find MasterServerIP, which is true. who should initialize that setting?

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jared3227:

so im sure it has to do with something leftover from the first install that i screwed up

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cpg:

any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

do you have mythtv configured and functional?

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wagnerrp:

if you have ever run mythtv-setup, it will have set that setting

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cpg:

i did run mythtv-setup

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cpg:

i see these settings ... http://amahi.pastebin.com/d4a3a7811

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RyeBrye:

jared3227: you don't happen to be doing this as a user named "mythtv" do you?

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RyeBrye:

because the ubuntu packages are retarded and if your default login is "mythtv" it goes bonkers (at least it did a while ago when i tried using their packages on one of my machines)

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RyeBrye:

jared3227: try doing sudo ldconfig and see if that helps at all

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jared3227:

haha no

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RyeBrye:

yeah, and all that packaging is screwed up

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RyeBrye:

are you instlaling this on the machine locally where you can se it?

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jared3227:

yes

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RyeBrye:

sudo apt-get purge mythtv*

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RyeBrye:

then sudo apt-get install mythtv

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RyeBrye:

try that and see if it helps

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RyeBrye:

it will probably still have the downloaded files cached so it wont have to redownload it all

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jared3227:

Purging configuration files for mythtv-database ...

[06:32:28]

jared3227:

Removing mythtv-common ...

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jared3227:

Removing mythtv-themes ...

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jared3227:

Errors were encountered while processing:

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jared3227:

mythtv-backend

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jared3227:

E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

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jared3227:

that a mysql issue?

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RyeBrye:

sudo apt-get purge mythtv* -f

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RyeBrye:

try THAT

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wagnerrp:

that looks like a packager issue

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wagnerrp:

dpkg failed doing something

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RyeBrye:

well, he removed crap under the nose of the packaging system earlier

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RyeBrye:

or maybe it's sudo apt-get purge mythtv-backend --force

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RyeBrye:

oh, no, it's the -f you want

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jared3227:

yah still showed the error

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RyeBrye:

"It is possible that a system´s dependency structure can be so corrupt as to require

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RyeBrye:

manual intervention (which usually means using dselect(8) or dpkg --remove to eliminate some of the offending packages)."

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RyeBrye:

well, if -f doesn't work, try dpkg --remove mythtv-backend

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RyeBrye:

although sudo apt-get purge mythtv* -f might do the truck

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RyeBrye:

err trick

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RyeBrye:

dunno, it's definitely an issue with the packaging

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RyeBrye:

if your system is clean just start over and reinstall :/

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jared3227:

yah i was kinda thinking that

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jared3227:

i tried the remove

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jared3227:

and says that certain directories dont even exist

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RyeBrye:

you can probably tell it to ignore that

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RyeBrye:

sudo dpkg --remove mythtv-backedn --force

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RyeBrye:

sudo dpkg --remove mythtv-backedn --force-all

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RyeBrye:

try THAT

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RyeBrye:

(the force all)

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jared3227:

haha ok i think it may have done it

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jared3227:

or it just ignored everything

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RyeBrye:

the force all?

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jared3227:

im not sure

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RyeBrye:

well, try to reinstall and see

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RyeBrye:

sudo apt-get remove mythtv* first though

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RyeBrye:

so you know it is clean

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RyeBrye:

then try to apt-get install mythtv again

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jared3227:

ok..

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jared3227:

now it says

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jared3227:

it depends on mythtv-database and mythtv-frontend which are not going to be installed

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RyeBrye:

huh?

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RyeBrye:

why are they not going to be installed?

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jared3227:

??? you ask the package not me

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jared3227:

haha

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RyeBrye:

is there some metapackage above mythtv?

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jared3227:

it reads the packagelist

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jared3227:

builds dependancy tree

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RyeBrye:

try sudo apt-get update

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jared3227:

ok did that

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RyeBrye:

then try sudo apt-get install mythtv* and see what it picks up that it wants to install (dont hit y)

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jared3227:

not hitting y

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RyeBrye:

did it get a reasonable-looking list of myth packages?

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RyeBrye:

if it did, try that

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jared3227:

it is saying try apt-get -f install with no packages

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RyeBrye:

oh yeah

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RyeBrye:

do that

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RyeBrye:

it will try to fix your apt

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RyeBrye:

that will have it try to fix stuff

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jared3227:

hmm interesting "This APT has Super Cow Powers."

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RyeBrye:

did it fix anything?

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RyeBrye:

after that sudo apt-get install mythtv might work

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RyeBrye:

if sudo apt-get install mythtv doesn't work try sudo apt-get install mythtv -f

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jared3227:

nope

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jared3227:

same errors

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RyeBrye:

well, this is defintely a job for #ubuntu-myth then or #mythbuntu

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jared3227:

well thanks for your help

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RyeBrye:

it's #ubuntu-mythtv I mean

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hachi:

my mythbackend on my master backend is taking up 100% cpu

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hachi:

however... I have no clue how to figure out why it would do that?

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RyeBrye:

logs?

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hachi:

maybe

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RyeBrye:

are you recording anything? if not, restart the backend

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RyeBrye:

maybe it got clogged somewhere

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hachi:

there's a commflag run going

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hachi:

but that's a seperate process

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hachi:

wish I could truss it

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hachi:

sadly strace is the closest I can get, and it doesn't grok threads

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** RyeBrye sleepy **

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cpg:

hi, i am tuning an hdhomerun (which i know it works, tested with eyetv and windows). i am on comcast. i get signal strength 88% to 99%, but i get timrout scanning qam-64 or qam-256 .... i searched and increased the timeouts ... no dice ... ideas?

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mchou:

cpg: where you live?

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cpg:

live, mchou ?

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mchou:

cpg: need zip code to verify

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cpg:

i did put that in the guide and all

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cpg:

mchou: 94087

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mchou:

heh. CA

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mchou:

gimme one sec

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mchou:

cpg: what are you using to scan?

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hachi:

south bay?

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hachi:

or peninsula?

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mchou:

sunnvale

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cpg:

i ran it in a window ... and the text window does not show anything

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cpg:

yah

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cpg:

sunnyvale

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mchou:

cpg: you ran what in a window precisely?

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mchou:

what COMMAND did you use

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cpg:

mythv-setup

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mchou:

forget it

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cpg:

mythtv-setup -geometry 800x600

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mchou:

dont use mythtv for scanning channels

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mchou:

it's barfed

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cpg:

this used to work a year or two ago

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cpg:

with hdhomerun

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mchou:

use hdhr utils to scan

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mchou:

end of story

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cpg:

hmm

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cpg:

are there any rpms available for these tools?

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cpg:

they are in the repos for fedora nice

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cpg:

i am trying to package the mythtv backed for one click install in amahi, mchou, hachi

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cpg:

http://www.amahi.org

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mchou:

I've never used that

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mchou:

cant help you there

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cpg:

we have some set of apps already – http://www.amahi.org/apps

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cpg:

i know how to package them ...

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cpg:

i have it running it with one-click install already

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cpg:

i just need to set it up so that it runs :)

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cpg:

ok so i have a device ID now for the hdhomerun

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cpg:

the hdhomerun rpm does not have any other tools

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cpg:

how do i tune mchou ?

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wagnerrp:

sadly, the hdhomerun is not capable of outputting a channels.conf

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cpg:

hmm, mchou said forget it, not use mythsetup, so ...

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wagnerrp:

you either have to use the built in mythtv scanner, or you have to use 'scan' in your distro's dvb-utils (dvb-tools?) package

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cpg:

manually typing dozens of channels?

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wagnerrp:

although ive heard importing a channels.conf file in mythtv is buggy as well

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** cpg installing dvb-apps **

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cpg:

wagnerrp: does 'scan' work on hdhomerun?

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cpg:

doesn't look like it

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wagnerrp:

yeah, forgot about that

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wagnerrp:

the hdhr is not run through the dvb subsystem

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wagnerrp:

just use the mythtv scanner

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wagnerrp:

afterwards, if you think you should have additional channels, then worry about using something else

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cpg:

strength is 99%

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cpg:

but i get all timeouts :(

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wagnerrp:

youll get full signal strength on analog and encrypted channels, but that doesnt mean you have any tunable programs

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cpg:

there are some notices of encrypted channels

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cpg:

so, i assume the timeouts are really timeouts

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wagnerrp:

or analog channels

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cpg:

tried qam-256, quam-64

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wagnerrp:

what channels are you getting timeouts on?

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cpg:

the hdhr should tune the analog channels, tho

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wagnerrp:

no

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cpg:

hmmm, with eyetv it does.

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cpg:

i think

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wagnerrp:

no

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cpg:

i am getting timeouts in 2 3 4 5 6 ... 11

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wagnerrp:

the low frequencies are typically analog

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wagnerrp:

higher frequencies (78+) are usually digital

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cpg:

skipping 11–1 because it thinks it's encrypted

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cpg:

interesting that is NBC-HD

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wagnerrp:

wait... channel 11? or program id 11–1?

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mchou:

dude, like I said, mythtv scanner is borked

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cpg:

well, the TV sees 11–1 as nbc in hd

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wagnerrp:

the tv with a qam tuner?

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cpg:

says Skipping QAM-256 Channel 11 on 1 – Encrypted Channel

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wagnerrp:

digital channels can define a arbitrary channel number

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cpg:

yes, it's an lcd from vizio, hd

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wagnerrp:

so channel 11–1 could actually be on frequency channel 100

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cpg:

i see

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mchou:

cpg: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineupui/US:94087

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cpg:

maybe i can let it fly

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mchou:

cpg: that tells you all you need to know

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cpg:

mchou: thanks – how do i use that information?

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wagnerrp:

you run the mythtv channel scanner

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wagnerrp:

and if it doesnt pick up all those channels, then you have to try something else

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cpg:

weird

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mchou:

cpg: KQEDDT (as an example) is at 117–2

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wagnerrp:

if need be, there are some scripts online you can find that will convert the hdhomerun_config output into a channels.conf, and then you can import that channels.conf into mythtv

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cpg:

this used to work two years ago when i tried it

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cpg:

i would have thought it would be smoother by now, not regress.

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mchou:

cpg: so that means frequency corresponding to (old analog) channel 117, multiplex 2

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cpg:

i see wagnerrp

[08:03:04]

cpg:

should i try QAM256 or 64?

[08:03:22]

wagnerrp:

what does that page say?

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mchou:

cpg: so a quick sanity check is to tune to "channel" 117 on HDHR, and see if you receive KQEDDT

[08:03:55]

mchou:

cpg: qam256

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wagnerrp:

you look at that page, and it says all those channels are qam256

[08:04:34]

mchou:

cpg: and like I said, use HDHR utils

[08:04:48]

wagnerrp:

most providers use qam256, 64 only provides half the bandwidth

[08:05:52]

mchou:

cpg: I use KQEDDT as example because it not encrypted and has 24 hr programming

[08:05:53]

cpg:

oh, i see i can scan with the hdhr tools

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mchou:

lol

[08:06:25]

mchou:

I've been telling you that for the last half HOUR

[08:06:28]

cpg:

the wiki just said discover

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mchou:

wth

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wagnerrp:

you can scan, but then you have to dump the output to a file, convert the file, import the file, and deal with inconsistencies of using a channels.conf file in mythtv

[08:06:50]

cpg:

you were telling me there was some tool that could do it

[08:06:52]

wagnerrp:

use the mythtv scanner, if you are missing channels, then go from there

[08:06:57]

mchou:

stop messing with mythtv setup

[08:07:19]

mchou:

worse than useless for channel scanning

[08:07:34]

wagnerrp:

and the hdhr tools are just as useless

[08:07:36]

cpg:

so i have to find the tool to convert into the .conf file to upload into mythtv-setup

[08:07:47]

mchou:

no, hdhr tools work

[08:08:11]

mchou:

wagnerrp: you dont even have hdhr, so stop smoking dope

[08:08:25]

wagnerrp:

mchou: theres one hooked up in my basement

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cpg:

mchou: ok, they may scan – now how do i put that into the mythtv db?

[08:08:45]

wagnerrp:

and the official tools have no mechanism for outputting a channels.conf

[08:08:51]

mchou:

cpg: mysql

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mchou:

cpq: insert into syntax

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wagnerrp:

oh, now you want him to manually enter that crap into the database?

[08:09:28]

cpg:

there's got to be some scripts

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mchou:

wagnerrp: are you frigging daft?

[08:09:37]

cpg:

please

[08:10:02]

cpg:

just trying to get an idea of what's possible here

[08:10:13]

cpg:

willing to hunt for scripts, etc.

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mchou:

cpg: you can even use that link I gave you, no need for scanning even

[08:10:43]

cpg:

mchou: again – how do i use that info?

[08:10:55]

mchou:

transform the xml source and import direct into mythtv db

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mchou:

cpg: I JUST told you how to use that info

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cpg:

no tool for that??

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cpg:

mchou: you have told me abstractly

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mchou:

dude, a script to do this takes about 8 lines

[08:12:18]

mchou:

abstractly? I gave you KQEDDT example

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cpg:

extracting the right fields from xml and transform into mysql takes knowing the fields and the structures

[08:12:44]

cpg:

i don't really know the details of the fields needed

[08:12:56]

cpg:

most likely i would really bork the db

[08:12:57]

mchou:

right. dtv_multiplex and channels table

[08:13:35]

mchou:

bork the DB? that's why backups exist

[08:13:58]

cpg:

hehe

[08:14:07]

cpg:

i can see the format of the table

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mchou:

cpg: right

[08:14:34]

mchou:

look at the fields, it aint tough to figure out

[08:14:43]

cpg:

if i can do it once i may just as well writ something that does it automatically from within mythtv-setup and send a patch

[08:15:29]

cpg:

if it weren't 1.15am, i'd challenge you :)

[08:15:30]

mchou:

name, callsign, dtv_mplex, subchannel

[08:16:08]

mchou:

and of course dont forget xmltvid or whatever it's called

[08:16:24]

cpg:

anyone of those could cause the code the barf. seems like a minefield to me.

[08:16:40]

mchou:

dude

[08:16:44]

cpg:

i could easily spend 2 hours just trying

[08:17:13]

mchou:

it doesnt take 2 hours to parse xml

[08:17:28]

mchou:

and import into db

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cpg:

the mojo on getting the fields right i think could take a lot of fiddling

[08:17:57]

cpg:

i do this all the time (in ruby and ror, mind you)

[08:18:01]

mchou:

takes at most 10 minutes of thinking, 2 minutes of write a script

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mchou:

lol

[08:18:20]

cpg:

you have my respects if you can do that

[08:18:43]

cpg:

the proclevity of mythbackend to crash tells me this could be a weekend project :)

[08:18:49]

mchou:

I dont care what language you use. I use sed,awk,mysql if you care to know

[08:19:28]

mchou:

and python for xml processing

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mchou:

and that's only because python is handy

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clever:

i mainly use php, but have recently done a bit of work with QXml in c++

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cpg:

i am fairly confident on my technical skillz to do it (i built amahi from scratch), however, it's the fields and details that really seems a potential black hole

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mchou:

there is no black hole

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mchou:

I do it all the time

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** cpg kneels upon mchou **

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mchou:

whenever cable lineups change channel assignments

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mchou:

which happens regularly

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cpg:

it would be useful to put those scripts to work

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cpg:

plug them into the scanning mechanism in mythtv-setup

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mchou:

no

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cpg:

using the hdhr tools

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cpg:

i notice yesterday that the hdhr box is selling in frys now

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mchou:

mythtv scanning needs to be fixed for real

[08:22:34]

mchou:

not using scripts

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wagnerrp:

the mythtv scanner tool got completely dumped and replaced in trunk a few weeks ago

[08:23:01]

wagnerrp:

its still being tuned

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mchou:

scripts are too hacky

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cpg:

i con't case how it's done

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cpg:

if it's so easy, it could be plugged into the scanning mechanism

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cpg:

wagnerrp: great to hear

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cpg:

i will be looking forward to the new one

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mchou:

cpg: devs care how it's done cause scripts would bee to much of a bitch to maintain....never mind external dependencies

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mchou:

be*

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cpg:

mostly my efforts are with amahi and new apps, but mythtv is probably one of the most, if not the most, compelling app ...

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cpg:

mchou: understood

[08:25:03]

cpg:

maybe i will give it a shot in the new rev

[08:26:26]

mchou:

I love frys

[08:27:09]

mchou:

who else sells refurbs at significant discount and take returns?

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cpg:

oh ya

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** mchou just bought a vacuum cleaner for $30 **

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mchou:

lol

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cpg:

looks like after a while left alone the mythtv-setup scanner does pick up some channels

[08:28:06]

mchou:

cant even get the filter for that cheap :)

[08:28:18]

cpg:

lol

[08:28:36]

mchou:

frys

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mchou:

luvin it

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cpg:

looks like i may have dodged a bullet here

[08:29:03]

cpg:

i got some channels

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cpg:

maybe not all, looks like. but this is good to test the app as one-click

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mchou:

indeed. some is certainly not all, especially with mythtv scanning

[08:30:07]

mchou:

and some is not even some

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mchou:

cause some are just "random"

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cpg:

interesting

[08:31:22]

mchou:

you want reliable go with HDHR utils or scan (in the case of PCIe) cards

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mchou:

from dvb tools

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mchou:

accept no substitutes

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cpg:

it aborted at the end. argggh http://amahi.pastebin.com/d10208ce8

[08:32:57]

mchou:

lol

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mchou:

3??

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mchou:

wtf?

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mchou:

worse than useless

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cpg:

no .. the 3 was not the total

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wagnerrp:

thats one channel, not the whole scan

[08:33:56]

cpg:

but it did crash

[08:34:11]

cpg:

wagnerrp: correct, not the whole scan

[08:35:03]

cpg:

looks like it saved the channels it got

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cpg:

phhew

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mchou:

so did dexter get canned from showtime or what?

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mchou:

when's the new season supposed to start?

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wagnerrp:

late 2009, they picked it up for 2 more seasons

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mchou:

damn, felt like it's been ove a year

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mchou:

over*

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mchou:

looks like September

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cpg:

allright! i have the backend running ... on to mythweb

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cpg:

it cannot see /tv/

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cpg:

or /settings

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cpg:

anyone has experience with that?

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wagnerrp:

cpg: your mythweb is located at / rather than /mythweb?

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cpg:

it's in a virtual host

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cpg:

it's not picking up the modules

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cpg:

i.e. in /

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wagnerrp:

you need to go into your config file

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wagnerrp:

and add the line, 'RewriteBase /', in the mythweb directory section

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cpg:

k

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cpg:

me trying that ...

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wagnerrp:

the line is currently there, but commented out at the default setting

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wagnerrp:

ive found changing the base to '/' has caused things to break

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cpg:

that's not working, but it coud be because of my virtualserver

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wagnerrp:

AFAIR, thats the only thing i had to change to get it working

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wagnerrp:

aside from the VirtualHost directive and include from the main httpd.conf

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cpg:

virtualhosts for amahi are generated automatically, so there are some limitations

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wagnerrp:

yeah, this was all hand rolled

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cpg:

but i can see the's some complexiti

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cpg:

*ty

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cpg:

working now

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cpg:

thanks for that tip wagnerrp

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cpg:

it helped

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slayven:

i hate it, i really hate it

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slayven:

is there any way to automatically turn down the volume of the commercial break?

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Dibblah:

No.

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Dibblah:

You can just skip them, though ;)

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slayven:

hm, if I cant detect it, it should be possible to turn the volume down

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Dibblah:

You can't.

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slayven:

bleh :)

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Dibblah:

It's not a simple volume increase.

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at0m|c:

slayven: commercials, on TV as on radio, are often dynamically squashed using a compressor, to get the dynamics out and make them as loud as possible. the only thing that could make a difference in relative perceived level, is applying compression to the whole stream eh, maybe using dmix and ladspa.

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at0m|c:

slayven: but that would also get the dynamic life out of the parts you *would* like to see eh

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at0m|c:

slayven: i find such dynamic changes annoying too, especially during siesta or when watching something before going zzZ

[12:09:09]

slayven:

I would be perfectly comfortable with turning to mute whenever a commercial break is detected and giving me the possibility to turn it explicitly on if I actually want to see commercials :)

[12:09:38]

slayven:

there does not happen to be a hook for commercial detection in mythtv?

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at0m|c:

if the commercial is detected, why not skip it completely?

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slayven:

sometimes I actually watch live-tv .. in real time =)

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chainsawbike:

:O

[12:11:21]

gagbro:

I want a huge red button on my wrist, to mute all electronics of my household, at any time

[12:11:42]

at0m|c:

gagbro: check the elec closet

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slayven:

you know, there are times when I'm even too lazy for selecting a particular series or movie. Then it has to be pushed-content ;)

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at0m|c:

gagbro: it's black in most houses ;p

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gagbro:

at0m, I just want to be able to reclaim the soundspace, not to black-out my electronic life

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at0m|c:

gagbro: ah :)

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gagbro:

but a common mute button is high up on my wish list, as the most essential remote function

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gagbro:

so many gadgets, remotes, noise-makers in modern life

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at0m|c:

have backend in the basement where i dont care for the noise, and hifi remote at hand..

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slayven:

a portable EMP device. I would have some uses for that

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gagbro:

all the barble about wireless devices mini-pc's, portable dj-devices etc. All I want is a huge red button

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at0m|c:

slayven: how about realtime commflagging? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Detail . . . .28Global.29

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at0m|c:

slayven: you'd of course need to pause after zapping to a new channel, or you won't be able to skip ahead

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slayven:

at0m|c: thanks, I'll have to fiddle about that

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slayven:

looks promising

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** at0m|c doesn't care much for commflagging **

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at0m|c:

channels i watch are commercial-free, or nearly. the wife's tv shows OTOH...

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mzb:

at0m|c: maybe it's just me but I don't see the point of what you refer to as "real-time" ad flagging. Sure, it flags while it's recording, but that doesn't mean that the commflags are available _while_you're_watching it.

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mzb:

in that sense "real-time" is a misnomer/oxymoron

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mzb:

iow: ad-flagging during recording means that the commflags are (probably) available _when_ the recording is finished, not during.

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at0m|c:

mzb: it only updates the db after finishing the file?

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at0m|c:

right

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mzb:

no idea when it updates the db. It's more important _when_ the frontend checks/rechecks for the commflags

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at0m|c:

oki then, my mistake. just saw it as a possible option – which of course would still have the problem of jumping into future transmission when skipping eh

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mzb:

and afaik that's only when it first loads the recording + metadata (even if the recording is live)

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mzb:

I didn't read back that far ;)

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mzb:

ps: research spark-gap-transmitter and then delete_files/clear_cache/erase_memory/forget_everything ;)

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mzb:

(not quite the same thing as EMP but sure to get you in just as much trouble;))

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mzb:

for me, ad-flagging during recording _would_ make sense _if_ the frontends reloaded (or were told to load?) commflags so that watching a recording _while_ it's being recorded would have commflags

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mzb:

err... if that makes sense

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mzb:

probably not ;), but I suspect you get the idea

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at0m|c:

sure, i get the idea :)

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at0m|c:

haven't got commflagging enabled during recording myself though

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at0m|c:

was hinting slayven on that

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slayven:

so the frontend does not know when commercials are aired, only after the recording the actual flagging is done?

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mzb:

slayven: afaik, the frontend loads the commflags when the recording is "first loaded", not during playback.

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mzb:

so commflagging while recording doesn't really achieve what you might assume. ie: it doesn't mean you can watch a show that's currently recording and skip ads as you watch.

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mzb:

(which is what I assumed it meant when I first read it;)

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darkdrgn2k:

Hey guys, is there a way to pair a cell phone with a computer using blue tooth to get screen pops when the cell rings?

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slayven:

mzb: i do not need to skip commercials during live-tv. i only want to adjust (read: mute) volume when commercials come up

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mzb:

darkdrgn2k: using asterisk?

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mzb:

slayven: err... hmm.... might need to look at the commflag code in the frontend for that one.

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mzb:

ps: I wasn't talking about livetv, although the same principle probably applies. I was talking about recordings that are still being recorded (or for which the commflagging process is still running while the recording is being watched)

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darkdrgn2k:

mzb: asterisk.. i thoughtr that was for VOIP

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mzb:

chan_bluetooth, or chan_mobile, whichever it is now

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darkdrgn2k:

huh.... wow

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mzb:

not sure if that's going to do what you want, particularly as the mythphone component has now been removed from trunk (although there are ways around that)

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darkdrgn2k:

mzb: true.. all i need is a 3rd party screen pop (that should work)

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mzb:

you want a popup on your screen when the mobile rings?

[14:13:10]

mzb:

(sounds odd;))

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mzb:

if so, you *might* win with asterisk (*BEWARE* = another steep learning curve).

[14:15:36]

mzb:

I know it works as an outgoing trunk, but I don't recall using it as incoming

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mzb:

even so, if the phone notifies asterisk of the call, I'm not sure .... bleh ... you'll have to suck and see ;))

[14:17:21]

darkdrgn2k:

mzb: cell is my prim phone line really.

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darkdrgn2k:

mzb: if im watching tv.... and the phone rings.. i really dont want to get up to check who is calling :-

[14:17:36]

darkdrgn2k:

P

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mzb:

yep, know the feeling. I have 1xPSTN + several VOIP combined with multiple handsets/computers/etc.... very nice to see a popup on the screen with callerid without having to reach for the phone (unless necessary;))

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darkdrgn2k:

mzb: actualy im thinking of getting a cheapy voip line for the house....

[14:20:22]

mzb:

yep, there's cheap and then there's cheap but a PITA to fix

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darkdrgn2k:

( i dont really care for quality of survivability, just care about the number. supports "find me follow me")

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mzb:

ie: just having one doesn't necessarily work ;)

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darkdrgn2k:

mzb: im painfully aware..

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darkdrgn2k:

anyway ium lookint at http://www.primus.ca/en/residential/talkbroad . . . teBundle.htm

[14:21:13]

mzb:

depends on what you want

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darkdrgn2k:

my phone to ring

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mzb:

heh, funny :P

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darkdrgn2k:

actualy more of outgoing calls.. incommong on cell are free :)

[14:22:04]

mzb:

if you want cheap international search for a betamax search/summary

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darkdrgn2k:

oh and as funny as that is i know thats actualy VERY hard

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mzb:

:)

[14:22:28]

mzb:

for national, well ... good luck

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darkdrgn2k:

anyway

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darkdrgn2k:

the hardware they provide is D-Link DVG-1120M

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mzb:

*sigh*

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darkdrgn2k:

?

[14:22:58]

darkdrgn2k:

that bad

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mzb:

can't put openwrt on it ;)

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darkdrgn2k:

:) ooooo

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darkdrgn2k:

THAT

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darkdrgn2k:

lol thast ok.. i can grab another ALIX board

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darkdrgn2k:

question is . is it standard hardware

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darkdrgn2k:

(wait.. no i cant.. alix board dont have ATA)

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darkdrgn2k:

or is it some propriatary krap

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mzb:

if you only want VOIP, you don't need anything extra

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darkdrgn2k:

mzb: i guess the question is, if i wanted to have that number in 2 places.. coudl i get another dlink and plug it in

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mzb:

if you want to use 'normal' handsets you will need something with FXS ports (eg SPA2000)

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mzb:

if you want PSTN incoming (and outgoing) you want FXO port(s) and can start with something like an SPA3000

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mzb:

err... you mean 2 logins for the same VOIP account? ... I doubt it

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darkdrgn2k:

yeh... what about not a ta time

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darkdrgn2k:

baa still have to figure out hot to fish through the conduit

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mzb:

yeah, logging in from different locations should be ok as long as they're not concurrent sessions

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mzb:

http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/voip.jpg

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** darkdrgn2k screems **

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darkdrgn2k:

DSL??????

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mzb:

yep

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darkdrgn2k:

is that firewood underneath it????you gonna burn it??

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mzb:

:)

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mzb:

UPS is currently being worked on.

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darkdrgn2k:

(dsl screwed me up so much. im paying for 7 megabit getting only 1.3.... cause im "to far")

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mzb:

we're not that lucky here (yet)

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darkdrgn2k:

THEN the tech comes in and says i cant have 3 phones plugged in cause its killing the signal...

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mzb:

pah!

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darkdrgn2k:

WTF... at least with dial up they can stay plugged in!!!

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mzb:

it's all about REN

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mzb:

(on PSTN lines)

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darkdrgn2k:

i donn ive deployed voip solutions but only as a newtowrk tech side of things

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darkdrgn2k:

let the telephony company take care of it al

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darkdrgn2k:

i stil cant get the terminology right

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darkdrgn2k:

trunks and stuff :-S

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darkdrgn2k:

having said that i have NO idea what astrisik can do for me

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mzb:

ie: from my provider's point of view I only have 1 device plugged in ;)) (make that an ADSL splitter + modem + ATA)

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rkroll:

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mzb:

I was in much the same boat before I played with asterisk. Now my phone bills have dropped by 60%, despite making 200% more calls.

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darkdrgn2k:

mzb: why?

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mzb:

because my "dial plan" (for want of a more accurate term) determines the cheapest route that a phone call takes.

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darkdrgn2k:

what are your roots?

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darkdrgn2k:

routs

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mzb:

combine that with the fact that the PSTN provider is under the impression that I make *NO* outgoing calls! ;))

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mzb:

each (VOIP) provider provides a method for you asterisk box to make a call == route

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darkdrgn2k:

i know

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darkdrgn2k:

but how many routes do you hav

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mzb:

err... >5?

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mzb:

PSTN, ISP, VOIP (national), VOIP (international), and a few free ones

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darkdrgn2k:

free ones? there are STILL free ones?

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mzb:

also means I have a local incoming number and something like 4 or 5 DID's around the world ;)

[14:41:51]

mzb:

yeah ... you just need to keep using them, iirc

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darkdrgn2k:

mzb: how much does an int did cost?

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mzb:

the free ones tend to be free ;)

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darkdrgn2k:

:-o

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darkdrgn2k:

mzb: really... Wow...

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kormoc:

you can always pay me for the free ones ;)

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mzb:

but that doesn't mean they're free to call

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darkdrgn2k:

mzb: oo i see.. hmmm

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darkdrgn2k:

mzb: but what about incomming?

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mzb:

isn't that what we were just talking about?

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darkdrgn2k:

"free to call"

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darkdrgn2k:

you mean other person calling

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mzb:

yes

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darkdrgn2k:

aaa i see...

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darkdrgn2k:

like in countries that dont have free local rigfht

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mzb:

I've got some that are just local call ... but they're national, not international

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mzb:

ie: Sydney, Melbourne and Hobart

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darkdrgn2k:

wonder if i can get one for europe...

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darkdrgn2k:

eastern europe

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mzb:

which is nice ... STD rates kill in Australia

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mzb:

there's a nice betamax summary page that might help you

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darkdrgn2k:

ooo?

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darkdrgn2k:

linky linky?

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darkdrgn2k:

so is astirisk an equivelent for like a Nortel BCM

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mzb:

http://backsla.sh/betamax

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darkdrgn2k:

wow

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darkdrgn2k:

so when trhy say "0" that meanst its free?

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mzb:

guess so

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mzb:

although I'm not sure if that's the one I was using

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darkdrgn2k:

12voip.com

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mzb:

I chose 12VOIP at the time because I wanted free calls to SA

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mzb:

(300 mins a week limit)

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mzb:

and that worked quite well for .... I dunno ... a year?

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darkdrgn2k:

then what happend

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mzb:

sister moved back here ;)

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darkdrgn2k:

ooo

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darkdrgn2k:

and 300 min turned into 3000?

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mzb:

heh

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darkdrgn2k:

damit.. nothing free to Nicaragua (landline)

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mzb:

yeah, It's actually costing me more to talk to her now even though she's 5000 miles closer ;))

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mzb:

funny problems every now and then though ... calls dropping at 1:05, etc

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mzb:

but for ~ 6 euro /mth it was excellent

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mzb:

compared to PSTN provider charging ~$66/hr, and $6/hr on VOIP ...

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mzb:

make that $6 per month, iirc it was 10 euro per quarter

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mzb:

but then 8 cents per call hurts me 1/3 less than it hurts her ;))

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mzb:

*cackle* (she'll never win;)

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darkdrgn2k:

lol

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darkdrgn2k:

so can you make outgoing calls to?

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mzb:

too?

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darkdrgn2k:

too

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mzb:

multiple outgoing at the same time

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darkdrgn2k:

:-o free?

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mzb:

ie: ${WOMAN} can be convening netball games (ie: calling on one cordless, receiving on another), while I'm talking (outgoing) on another phone.

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darkdrgn2k:

what phones do you use

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mzb:

major weakness I've found is that I don't have two mouths ;)

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mzb:

I've got a few panasonicg (TG1850?) which are quite nice: excellent range, good battery life, but if you put the volume up too high on handsfree they blow.

[14:56:14]

mzb:

got another one more recently which has *excellent* sound, but the battery life and range suck

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darkdrgn2k:

aaa so 12voip you have to buy credit ever 3 months

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mzb:

yep

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darkdrgn2k:

how much do you need to buy

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mzb:

10 euro iirc

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darkdrgn2k:

hmmm

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mzb:

and just use your "free call" time

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mzb:

but that's not to say that you don't use other providers

[14:57:22]

darkdrgn2k:

:-D

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mzb:

ie: I only used 12voip for (non-essential) international calls

[14:58:26]

mzb:

so the idea is, once you have an asterisk box up and working, you can do some *clever stuff* (TM)

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darkdrgn2k:

lol

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darkdrgn2k:

and how that "it just works" tm

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mzb:

eg: popups on your screen for incoming calls

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mzb:

;)

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darkdrgn2k:

wait.. you mean i can get a UK number for free...

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darkdrgn2k:

... and then route it localy!

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mzb:

and: .... tada ... chan_bluetooth (or chan_mobile), forget which

[14:59:32]

mzb:

yes ... although might cost the caller a bunch

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darkdrgn2k:

mzb: but they would cost them anyway right?

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darkdrgn2k:

its not like 900 numbers

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mzb:

spend a few hours searching for "free VOIP providers" and you'll get the idea ;)

[15:00:18]

mzb:

yep, cost to you = 0

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darkdrgn2k:

but costs them the cost of a local call

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mzb:

nope

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darkdrgn2k:

(or long distance in country)

[15:01:03]

Quantumstate:

Anyone help with a Myth problem?

[15:01:09]

mzb:

like what (I imagine) it would cost to call 555*SEX*ME*UP ;)

[15:01:32]

darkdrgn2k:

so the call is more expensive then a nomal call

[15:01:42]

mzb:

Quantumstate: sure, but not familiar with your problem and not enough details

[15:02:01]

Quantumstate:

Ya, transcoding failing. Looks like a bug.

[15:02:09]

Quantumstate:

Doc Martin.

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mzb:

mytharchive?

[15:03:10]

Quantumstate:

Nah, just default transcode for commercial cut.

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darkdrgn2k:

mythcommflag

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mzb:

no idea what your default is, try another profile

[15:03:45]

Quantumstate:

Seems to be a problem in Myth with BBC shows.

[15:04:09]

Quantumstate:

I also tried High with Lossless checked, same pronblem.

[15:04:25]

mzb:

you mean, seems to be a problem with your BBC reception?

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Quantumstate:

It's the Default default that comes with Myth.

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mzb:

yeah, I don't like the default, changed that years ago ;)

[15:05:08]

mzb:

ie: I'm probably the worst person to talk to ;)

[15:05:13]

Quantumstate:

No I'm in Seattle but get Doc Martin series. There is mention of trancode probs with BBC shows.

[15:05:52]

Quantumstate:

I'll try to flange ProjectX into Myth.

[15:06:21]

mzb:

opposite side of the world to me, I hear your water even goes down the sink the wrong way round, so I'm sure anything could happen re BBC ;) (even if I don't have the same issue;))

[15:06:45]

Quantumstate:

Water comes -out- the sink...

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Quantumstate:

Also, is there any way to improve commercial detection? Followed the Wiki

[15:07:21]

Quantumstate:

Tried Strict and not.

[15:07:48]

Quantumstate:

In some cases overmarks, and in a few cases misses the commercial.

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mzb:

gawd ... undo those Scottish braces ... they've over-tightened your sphincter ;)

[15:08:38]

mzb:

down under, the water comes out of the tap, and goes down the sink

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mzb:

;))

[15:09:19]

mzb:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sink

[15:09:48]

mzb:

^^ gives me the impression it's a global phenomenon ;P

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darkdrgn2k:

mzb: so just to get this trait.. i dont need any extra hardware for astrix unless i want to bring in a PSTN line.... and then oviously VOIP phones.. right?

[15:13:05]

mzb:

err

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mzb:

if you want to _make_ calls from normal phones you will need FXS devices (think of 'S' as 'SPEAK INTO', if that helps)

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darkdrgn2k:

ATAs right

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mzb:

if you want to receive calls from your PSTN you will need an FXO device

[15:14:32]

mzb:

both are ATA's

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darkdrgn2k:

so FSX takes a voip line and turns it into a POTS line

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mzb:

ref: my pic. top of the three in the middle is an SPA3000. the two below that are SPA2000's

[15:15:20]

mzb:

no

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darkdrgn2k:

FXO connects to your telephone outlets

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mzb:

an FXS device turns a 'normal phone' into an 'internet phone'

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darkdrgn2k:

ok

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mzb:

an FXO device allows your 'internet phone system' to talk to the PSTN

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darkdrgn2k:

aaaa

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darkdrgn2k:

in and out

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mzb:

yep

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darkdrgn2k:

can i use regular phones with atherist or do i need voip phones

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mzb:

*sigh*

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mzb:

ref: FXS

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darkdrgn2k:

ok hold on

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mzb:

s/internet phone system/asterisk

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darkdrgn2k:

PSTN ---->---- FXS----->ASTERISK

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mzb:

nope

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darkdrgn2k:

sorry

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darkdrgn2k:

PSTN ---<---FXS---->ASTERISK

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darkdrgn2k:

PSTN --->---FXO---->ASTERISK

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mzb:

PSTN<-->FXO<-->ASTERISK

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mzb:

yep

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mzb:

_and_

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mzb:

ASTERISK<--FXS-->'NORMAL TELEPHONE'

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darkdrgn2k:

aaa ok

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darkdrgn2k:

so FXO pets PSTN work inside ASTERISK

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darkdrgn2k:

and FSX lets a TELEPHONE work with asterisx

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darkdrgn2k:

(basically)

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mzb:

FXS, yes

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darkdrgn2k:

and i need a seperate FXS for each telephone

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darkdrgn2k:

or at least

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darkdrgn2k:

"group" of telephones

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mzb:

or anything you want ... you don't need Asterisk for an FXS device (like an SPA2000) ... you *could* just plug in the details of your VOIP provider into the SPA2000 directly

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mzb:

but that would mean the *chan_mobile* (etc) goodies wouldn't work ;))

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm fos FXS is like the dlink they send my way

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darkdrgn2k:

yeh cause asterisk IS a voip SIP

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darkdrgn2k:

asterisk come wiht its own os or do oyu need an os for it..

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mzb:

dunno ... you would need to change whatever you have so that each FXS line you have logs into _your_ asterisk server, and that your asterisk server logs into your VOIP provider

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GreyFoxx:

asterisk is an app, not an os

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mzb:

asterisk tends to prefer rpm based OS's but I've got mine on Debian

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darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: readint the doc it makes it sound almost like it does

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mzb:

there are some asterisk+freepbx (for eg) distros

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darkdrgn2k:

so liek centos

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mzb:

yep

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darkdrgn2k:

how much cpu power do you need?

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mzb:

remember that pic?

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darkdrgn2k:

uhu

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GreyFoxx:

depends on what you want to do and how many lines

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GreyFoxx:

but generaly not much

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mzb:

EPIA SP80000

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darkdrgn2k:

wonder if a ALIXs embeded board woudl work.

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darkdrgn2k:

(200 mhz)

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mzb:

(think of a gutless celeron 800 that's tired)

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darkdrgn2k:

sorry the alixs is 500 mhz

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mzb:

openwrt have asterisk packages, but if you're going that slow you might want to check out openser

[15:24:48]

mzb:

really depends what you're trying to do

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darkdrgn2k:

2 inbound spis... and maybe 2 outboud..

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mzb:

the more features/abilities you add on, the more power you'lll (probably) need

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mzb:

suck and see ;)

[15:25:53]

** darkdrgn2k starts to suck **

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darkdrgn2k:

*sigh* time to install vmware...

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mzb:

bleh

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mzb:

recipe for disaster (if you wan't to test more that just functionality)

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darkdrgn2k:

just want to play

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mzb:

I ran the phone system for my entire house with a p2–300 for 6 months (on various distros+combinations) without too many problems. Running virtualised (multimedia-related) is just asking for trouble imho ... but then maybe I'm just getting old(er) ;)

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mzb:

(and that was 6 months jammed under the floorboards underneath the laundry with a leaking washing machine ... smart, huh?;))

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darkdrgn2k:

lol

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mzb:

so, no that we've a) moved house, b) replaced washing machine, and c) replaced pbx computer .... things are pretty much the same really ;))

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darkdrgn2k:

is it gui or command line?

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mzb:

is what?

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darkdrgn2k:

cofnig aserisk

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mzb:

I have 'hand built' asterisk+freepbx on debian

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mzb:

so most of it is via freepbx

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darkdrgn2k:

aaaa gui for asterisk

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mzb:

but there are some things that freepbx can't do (at the level of complication I want/crave/desire/need), so I edit the rest by hand

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darkdrgn2k:

i dont mind commandline

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darkdrgn2k:

i just hate doing it all by command line.. finding a gui.. and it scarabmles the confi files

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darkdrgn2k:

so i have to re-learn it

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mzb:

eg: dial a number, '8 cents untimed', ring, ring ring ....

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darkdrgn2k:

lol nice

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mzb:

that's not in freepbx

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darkdrgn2k:

thats crazy

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darkdrgn2k:

festival

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darkdrgn2k:

?

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mzb:

yep

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darkdrgn2k:

LOL FreePBX – let freedom ring

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darkdrgn2k:

i love it

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mzb:

another story there ... I've written a script for ... umm ... cepstral? ... to *cough* remove "this voice is unregistered" ... but that's another story

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darkdrgn2k:

iterseting..

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** mzb really should consider buying one of their voices one day **

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darkdrgn2k:

i thought via voice was on of the leaders

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mzb:

ooohh

[15:37:16]

mzb:

nah

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mzb:

ooohh

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darkdrgn2k:

wow i was wrong

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mzb:

there is one *major* difference with asterisk you *have* to know about

[15:37:39]

darkdrgn2k:

a DOG?????

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mzb:

NO TELEMARKETING !

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darkdrgn2k:

?????????????

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darkdrgn2k:

do tell

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mzb:

you check a box (forget the name), and anyone calling with hidden CLID has to type their number in

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darkdrgn2k:

lol to bad my CID now shows "123456789"

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mzb:

telemarketers get paid by results (ie: by the minute;) so they don't bother

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mzb:

relatives that get annoyed can be fast-tracked ;)

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darkdrgn2k:

voice vorge.. LOL awsomne

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mzb:

other nice features like "Time Conditions" ... ie: if it's after 11pm and incoming call is not "immediate relative" then send to voicemail

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darkdrgn2k:

internal voicemail i tak eit

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mzb:

and if you're really clever, you can get voicemail to go to imap. So that in addition to being able to check voicemail from the phone (nice if you have MWI) you can playback voicemail direct from you email client. Once it's read, your MWI indicator even turns off! ;)) *cackle*

[15:43:15]

mzb:

but there are a few extra hoops to jump through to get there first

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mzb:

I strongly recommend you start simple

[15:43:35]

mzb:

get the basics going

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darkdrgn2k:

hence vmware..

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darkdrgn2k:

to play with

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mzb:

then get the "mythtv OSD" feature going

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm the text to speahc screws up

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mzb:

then see if you can manage chan_mobile

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mzb:

yep, audio + vm ... can't see it happening myself ;)

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darkdrgn2k:

vmware has gone far.. but yeh its just to play with

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mzb:

I've got vmware in the 'handy if I'm desperate' category ... ie: if I'm forced to run windows but I need Linux

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mzb:

but all forms of vm that I'm aware of have issues with multimedia afaik

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mzb:

(eg: editing mythtv recordings in a VM is asking for pain;))

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mzb:

and running asterisk in xen (for eg) will eventually make you realise that it would have been easier+cheaper just to get a small machine specifically for running asterisk.

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mzb:

(which kinda makes sense anyway when you think about it ... you don't wan't to get WAF-- just because you needed to reboot the server while she was on the phone talking to her $^%$MOTHER*^%)

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madsara_:

Anyone have a good recommendation for an inexpensive but decent tuner card?

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mzb:

*sigh*

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mzb:

country?

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mzb:

DVB / ATSC ... ?

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mzb:

if no answer then DTV-1000T ;)

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mzb:

;P

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madsara_:

OH, yeah, really... NTSC US

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mzb:

heh

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madsara_:

The internet is multi-national.

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mzb:

yeah, but your question wasn't ;P

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mzb:

! DTV-1000T then

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madsara_:

Heh.

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mzb:

check linuxtv.org

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madsara_:

Thanks for the tip.

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mzb:

k

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mzb:

s/apologizes

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mooseman089:

hi i just upgraded my mythtv box to a x2 is there anything i need to do so mythtv can use the dual core

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sveinung:

mooseman089: Yes, there are settings for playback, comflag etc

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mooseman089:

well i only upgraded my backend but the only thing i saw in the backend setup is simultious user jobs is there anything else?

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sveinung:

I this you can set number of simultanius comflag/transcode threads

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sveinung:

s/this/think/

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IceWewe:

is there any way to setup an s-video/composite input so that you can schedule recordings from it without going into the MySQL database?

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gbee:

IceWewe: err, yeah? It's called MythTV

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meshe:

iamlindoro: you said you had flash working in mythbrowser, where do the plugins have to be on the filesystem?

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r3z:

Is there a decent plugin that supports IPTV? i.e. Rev3 and hulu?

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IceWewe:

gbee, okay, I don't see how to specify s-video as the input to record off of when I manually schedule a recording

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wagnerrp:

r3z: rev3 and hulu are not iptv

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r3z:

they are what I consider IPTV ;)

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r3z:

Maybe not the correct definition though :-p

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Shadow__X:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPTV

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pbj:

Hey guys. Is there a possible way to change the default settings for subtitles in a file instead of through MythTV LiveTV– caurse it starts with the wrong subtitles from DVB-S (Wrong language)each time – without accepoting any changes when asked!

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stuarta:

afternoon all

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Shadow__X:

good afternoon stuarta

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jduggan:

good evening

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thedarkone:

has anyone every used mythfm with ubuntu ?

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cesman:

thedarkone: unless someone has updated it, mythfm was last built to work w/ MythTV 0.18 (if I remember correctly)

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wagnerrp:

i dont think he can see you

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thedarkone:

so mythtv 0.18

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thedarkone:

it will it not work with mythtv.21

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stuarta:

unlikely

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thedarkone:

okay

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matt:

Having some issues getting mythTV working, I'm using mythbuntu and have a haupague WinTV Nova-S trying to access Freesat in the UK. I have loaded the tv channels successfully but when I go to 'Watch TV' the screen flickers black and then goes back to the menu

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matt:

I can't seem to find anywhere to see what error is causing it to do this

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cesman:

matt: you need to review the logs in /var/log/mythtv

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matt:

aha

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matt:

ok, I have an error DVBChan(1:0) Error: SetChannelByString(104): Failed to initialize multiplex options

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stuarta:

how did you populate your channels?

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stuarta:

how did you populate your channels?

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matt:

sorry, i just lost wireless – did anyone respond?

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stuarta:

mazadillon: how did you populate your channels?

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mazadillon:

i used the xml thingy with radio times listing

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mazadillon:

and chose what channels i want

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stuarta:

that does program data

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mazadillon:

aha

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stuarta:

but what about how you made it know the channels?

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mazadillon:

...I don't know?

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mazadillon:

sorry

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stuarta:

sounds like you don't have any channels configured

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mazadillon:

ok, i'm looking at channel editor

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mazadillon:

and there's a whole list of them there

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mazadillon:

I think i got them from 'get channels from listing source'

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mazadillon:

I don't really understand how the channel scanner works

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mazadillon:

I've tried giving it a correct frequency and nothing seems to happen

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stuarta:

i'm the opposite.

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stuarta:

i've no idea how you get channels from a listings source :)

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mazadillon:

lol

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mazadillon:

well between us we might eventually get something working

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mazadillon:

I found a little tiny mention in the wiki that you need to switch to the console to see what's happening

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mazadillon:

which is stupi tbh

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mazadillon:

as there's no way of knowing that without reading the wiki

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stuarta:

well, not really, but it's not obvious unless it find anything that it's working

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mazadillon:

from any other point of view you'd just sit there looking at a status bar that's not moving

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stuarta:

yes, that's a bit of a problem

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mazadillon:

well it was waiting for me to tell it what to do in the terminal

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stuarta:

oh, that...

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mazadillon:

but i didn't know that because it was comepletely hidden

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stuarta:

yeah that is stupid

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mazadillon:

blergh, I think my card is maybe not setup right

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stuarta:

probably

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mazadillon:

but i have no idea what i'm doing so that doesn't really help

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stuarta:

work your way from 1->6 in the setup

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stuarta:

tricks are you have to add an LNB to your dvb-s card or it won't do squat

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stuarta:

that's under diseq options in the card setup

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mazadillon:

I'm getting an error 'your frequeny setting is out of range'

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mazadillon:

aha

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stuarta:

i also reduce the timeouts from 60000 & 62500 -> 30000 & 32500

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mazadillon:

aha, what do i need to set my LNB preset to?

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mazadillon:

single (europe) ?

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mazadillon:

or universal (europe) ?

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stuarta:

universal tends to work best

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mazadillon:

hrm

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mazadillon:

i'm still getting a frequency setting is out of range error

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stuarta:

what are you attempting atm?

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mazadillon:

trying to do a channel scan

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mazadillon:

that was using an existing transport

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stuarta:

okay, do you have quite a few transports?

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mazadillon:

urm

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mazadillon:

not sure

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mazadillon:

no, only 1

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stuarta:

lemme fish out a frequency

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mazadillon:

i've got 10714 at 2200000

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mazadillon:

which i copied from lyngsat

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stuarta:

okay try a freq of 10773250, h, fec=5/6

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stuarta:

that carries bbc 1

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mazadillon:

aha

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mazadillon:

i have some signal strength

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mazadillon:

woohoo

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mazadillon:

something happened!

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stuarta:

okay, with 0.21 that'll will only give you 1 transponders worth of channels

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stuarta:

but it'll also populate the transports

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stuarta:

so you'll have lots

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stuarta:

then you can do scan all transports

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mazadillon:

awesome

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mazadillon:

gonna try and actually watch and see if it works

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mazadillon:

before i try anything else

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mazadillon:

stuarta: you're a legend!

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mazadillon:

it works!

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mazadillon:

w00t

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mazadillon:

quite a bit more fine tuning to do

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stuarta:

np

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mazadillon:

but i have some faith that i might actually get a useable system at some point

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mazadillon:

btw, any advice on a remote? I was thinking maybe a bluetooth one, if such a thing exists?

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mazadillon:

or if not is there one that is particularly good?

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stuarta:

no idea, still haven't got around to setting up a remote :)

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mazadillon:

ok :)

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mazadillon:

thanks very much for your help though

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mazadillon:

i started trying to set this up a couple of months ago and gave up for a while

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mazadillon:

then tried again the other day and was going to give up again

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stuarta:

tho the MCE remotes aren't supposed to be too bad

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mazadillon:

i'll look into them, cheers

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mazadillon:

i have done a complete scan of channels and now have billions of them, how do I quickly choose the few that I want to use and delete the rest?

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wagnerrp:

mythweb is probably the easiest way to do bulk channel modification

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mazadillon:

aha

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mazadillon:

never heard of it :)

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Dibblah:

mazadillon: If you're on schedules direct, modify your lineup with them.

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mazadillon:

I'm not, I'm in the UK

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mazadillon:

i'm looking into mythweb

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Dibblah:

In which case, modify your xmltv configuration so you're only getting the data you're interested in.

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mazadillon:

i'm only getting info on certain channels, but they are still all appearing on my epg

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mkrufky:

anybody here use that "mymote" ipod app to control mythtv ?

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kormoc:

nope

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** cesman doesn't have an ipod you insentive clod ;) **

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mkrufky:

lol

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tmwsiy2012:

hi, trying to figure out why I do not have any listing data. Here is the output from mythfilldatabase

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tmwsiy2012:

http://pastebin.ca/1411634

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tmwsiy2012:

brand new install of mythdora...

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Anduin:

tmwsiy2012: You channel config at schedules direct looks ok?

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tmwsiy2012:

Anduin: Yes they are all there and enabled (I am doing OTA)

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Anduin:

OTA requires you to channel scan and assign "xmltvids" manually

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