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| [00:00:10] | Dagmar: | Befriend28; It's possible that for some bizarre reason MythDora renames ALSA:default to some other entry-point |
| [00:00:10] | bungled: | dagmar: I managed to short something in my multi-card reader and literaly burned the jacket off the ground wire from it to the USB header |
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| [00:00:37] | Dagmar: | Befriend28: At any rate, if they're all that useful, the people in #mythdora or whatever should be able to help you with a configuration problem in their distro |
| [00:00:52] | Dagmar: | bungled: ouch. Yep that's a bitch |
| [00:01:06] | Dagmar: | I've worked with guys who have pulled a similar stunt by connecting hte PC speaker to the wrong pins |
| [00:01:26] | Dagmar: | No POST beep, but a suspiciously fast reboot cycle |
| [00:01:32] | Dagmar: | Hmm.. we smell something burning |
| [00:01:32] | bungled: | dagmar: I can only think that it had something to do with reformatting a CF card to IDE mode |
| [00:01:49] | Dagmar: | Shouodn't be able to happen |
| [00:01:54] | bungled: | dagmar: and attempting to plug it back in |
| [00:02:29] | Dagmar: | Now if you had a bent pin in there, *that* could short something and cause a flame out |
| [00:02:30] | bungled: | dagmar: the only warnings I saw against that were that it "would not be recognized" not "will light your system on fire" |
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| [00:03:19] | bungled: | dagmar: true enough. the motherboard and CF card were unharmed though |
| [00:03:44] | Dagmar: | The CF card was outside the short |
| [00:03:56] | Dagmar: | You got lucky on the motherboard |
| [00:04:54] | bungled: | dagmar: tell me about it. the display corrupted and I smelled burning plastic |
| [00:05:10] | bungled: | so I yanked the power cord from the PSU |
| [00:05:39] | Dagmar: | Interesting. Google woould indicate that overrun problems can also be caused by corrupted/insane media |
| [00:05:55] | bungled: | almost soiled myself thinking that I had ruined the mobo or vid card |
| [00:06:22] | Befriend28: | dagmar I have the mixer device set to ALSA:defaul and also the Audio output device still gets the overflow ? |
| [00:06:35] | Dagmar: | Befriend28: So what are you trying to play back? |
| [00:07:00] | Dagmar: | If you say "an MKV" file you need to find some traffic to play in. |
| [00:07:07] | Befriend28: | dagmar I just watch live TV |
| [00:07:45] | Dagmar: | Which means *what* exactly |
| [00:07:54] | Dagmar: | ATSC? PAL? DVB-S? |
| [00:08:07] | Befriend28: | dagmar PAL analog cable |
| [00:08:08] | Dagmar: | If you're just looking to watch TV live, then MythTV is probably serious overkill |
| [00:08:50] | Befriend28: | dagmar As I told you earlier I have also put up EPG I want to record TV |
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| [00:09:44] | Dagmar: | Well, recording and watching TV are the same thing as far as Myth is concerned |
| [00:10:00] | Dagmar: | Which version of MythDora are you using again? |
| [00:10:57] | Befriend28: | dagmar MythDora release 10.21 (Brown Out) |
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| [00:11:36] | Dagmar: | Try running `speaker-test -Dsurround51 -c6 -twav` |
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| [00:11:52] | Dagmar: | If you don't hear some chick talking, there's likely an ALSA misconfigruation |
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| [00:12:41] | Dagmar: | If you *do* then you've got a bug in MythDora apparently |
| [00:12:45] | Befriend28: | dagmar I do here front left and right |
| [00:14:18] | Dagmar: | So it's time to start pestering the MythDora people about what in their configuration stuff failed utteryly |
| [00:14:27] | Dagmar: | s/utteryly/utterly/; |
| [00:15:20] | bungled: | dagmar: is this where the "i told you so" comes in? =P |
| [00:15:31] | Dagmar: | This really *is* one of the less breakable things in MythTV |
| [00:15:53] | Dagmar: | bungled: I've kinda been saying it about every fifteen minutes for an hour now |
| [00:16:24] | Dagmar: | The only difference is now I'm _very_ sure it's got to have been something the MythDora people did which they probably thought was a great idea, but has some failure states they didn't think of |
| [00:16:44] | bungled: | dagmar: thanks for the tip on the overview. I hadn't read it before (*gasp!) but it seems like my hardware should be ok |
| [00:17:12] | Dagmar: | Assuming nothing weird was done to the sample rate of the audio being recorded, it should "just work" based on what he's said |
| [00:17:34] | bungled: | dagmar: my interest in pushing the save folders off the frontend is to reduce heat buildup. I've got an 80GB 3.5" in there now and it gets pretty warm just idling |
| [00:18:00] | Dagmar: | Conflicts with an audio card that only handles 44kHz playback or 48Khz playback or vice-versa manifest in an entirely different way |
| [00:18:19] | Dagmar: | bungled: So just remote NFS mount the storage filesystem |
| [00:18:40] | bungled: | dagmar: I was planning on using one or two PVR250's in the backend, but since Charter nixed basic on analog... |
| [00:19:13] | Dagmar: | I'd make sure they understood why I wasn't renting a second box from them |
| [00:19:15] | bungled: | dagmar: I just wanted to hear from veteran users how practical it would be |
| [00:19:23] | Dagmar: | I'd also use some unacceptable language when menitoning it, but that's just me |
| [00:19:41] | bungled: | dagmar: i'm a bit too passive-aggressive for that |
| [00:19:55] | Dagmar: | I'm a little too honest *not* to say it |
| [00:20:13] | Dagmar: | "You people are vicious bastards who are treating all their customers like theievs" |
| [00:20:22] | bungled: | that, and the other tuner box is on the bedroom TV |
| [00:20:50] | bungled: | dagmar: and to add fuel to the fire, they added data caps for broadband a few months back |
| [00:21:02] | bungled: | 100GB/month |
| [00:21:04] | Dagmar: | Yeah I'd mention AT&T to them |
| [00:21:21] | Dagmar: | ...or just say screw it and switch to some other provider entirely |
| [00:21:26] | bungled: | they'd know i was bluffing. can't get AT&T broadband out here in BFE |
| [00:21:39] | bungled: | Comcast doesn't provide in our town |
| [00:21:56] | bungled: | only possible alternative would be roadrunner |
| [00:21:59] | Dagmar: | Then you should write a letter to the local Public Service Commission explaining how monopoly practices are for bitches and harm customers |
| [00:22:06] | bungled: | shudder* |
| [00:22:19] | Dagmar: | Well, RR hasn't come out with a 100Gb cap that I've noticed |
| [00:22:22] | Dagmar: | 100Gb is a lot low |
| [00:22:47] | bungled: | GB, not Gb |
| [00:22:59] | Dagmar: | 100Gb is a number you get when you analyze what "average" use is, and then try to make sure the upper 15–20% of your customer base always pays extra |
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| [00:24:14] | bungled: | the only way to get a higher data cap is to go up to their 20Mb connection, to the tune of $140/month |
| [00:24:22] | bungled: | and that only takes your cap to 250GB |
| [00:24:26] | wagnerrp: | a 100Gb cap is when you try to make sure the upper 60% of your customer base always pays extra |
| [00:24:56] | Dagmar: | Yeah I wouldn't put it past them |
| [00:25:05] | Dagmar: | Either way, it's a rate increase the FCC didn't allocate them |
| [00:25:06] | bungled: | and the real gotcha is, they WON'T give you the ability to monitor your current usage |
| [00:25:16] | Dagmar: | Write some letters, get some petty bureacrats sniffing around |
| [00:25:41] | wagnerrp: | i mean when i look at my bandwidth usage with just normal web surfing, 12.5GB wont last me anything close to a month |
| [00:25:47] | Dagmar: | Maybe get some news crews interested in the story of how the local cable francise is trying to raise rates without FCC approval |
| [00:25:59] | Dagmar: | ...how this is hostile to the future of the media-rich internet |
| [00:26:21] | bungled: | wagner: it's 100GB, not 100Gb. if it was only 12.5GB, i'd be on dialup |
| [00:26:26] | wagnerrp: | the 'futurenet'! |
| [00:26:34] | bungled: | web 2.0! |
| [00:26:45] | Dagmar: | 100 gigabytes a month pretty much means your Netflix subscription is going to cost you |
| [00:26:58] | bungled: | yeah, but I don't have that |
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| [00:27:42] | Dagmar: | Reporters like hearing things like "if Netflix can make money off this, why is it that my ISP seems to think it's overly expensive--and I'm paying them twice as much as I pay Netflix" |
| [00:27:48] | bungled: | just the occasional episode of TV I missed |
| [00:28:53] | Dagmar: | We shouldl just start burning greedy CEOs at the stake |
| [00:29:01] | Dagmar: | I doubt we'd ahve to torch many of them |
| [00:29:04] | bungled: | i second the motion |
| [00:29:24] | bungled: | we could call it a 'self correcting market' |
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| [00:29:33] | Dagmar: | Too many companies seem to think their pricing should be "a cent or two less than would make our customers do without" |
| [00:29:48] | bungled: | well, that /is/ the nature of capitalism) |
| [00:30:03] | Dagmar: | ...so "a burning or two less than would make CEOs more reasonable about profits" is a nice counter |
| [00:30:09] | Dagmar: | bungled: No, it's actually not |
| [00:30:27] | Dagmar: | Capitalism is about being able to exchange goods and services youreslf. |
| [00:30:42] | bungled: | correction: monopolized capitalism |
| [00:30:56] | Dagmar: | The whole "make as much money as you can and eff everyone else" is just some amoral shit people like to tack onto it to act as if their avarice were justified |
| [00:31:19] | bungled: | genuine capitalism would be 2+ providers duking it out to offer the lowest possible price and still stay in business |
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| [00:31:48] | Dagmar: | That would actually be the start of a healthy market actually |
| [00:32:01] | Dagmar: | 2 sellers and many buyers is pretty damn anemic |
| [00:32:17] | bungled: | it beats only having 1 seller =) |
| [00:32:42] | Dagmar: | That's true |
| [00:32:54] | Dagmar: | Still with only two is far too easy for them to collude |
| [00:32:58] | bungled: | so to get back to the topic of Myth |
| [00:33:11] | Dagmar: | Just don't bother mentioning it to your cable people |
| [00:33:35] | Dagmar: | It'll just confuse them |
| [00:36:10] | bungled: | if my frontend has a 4GB flash drive for the frontend, a 10GB 2.5" drive for the local swap/logs/live-tv, and sends all scheduled recordings to the master backend via NFS, it should be fairly capable? |
| [00:36:58] | wagnerrp: | adding a small drive on a frontend for livetv is a fruitless endeavour |
| [00:37:19] | bungled: | wagner: 10GB won't last more than a minute or two? |
| [00:37:20] | hednod: | heh only 10GB? |
| [00:37:33] | hednod: | depends how long you watch |
| [00:37:37] | Dagmar: | For swap it's not entirely a bad idea, but hell |
| [00:37:42] | wagnerrp: | 10GB is enough for an hour and a half of HD |
| [00:37:50] | Dagmar: | You can go buy a 16Gb flash drive off buy.com for $50 now |
| [00:37:52] | wagnerrp: | but you seem to think the tuners go in the frontend |
| [00:37:56] | hednod: | live tv has no quota, no limit. it uses as much as it wants, depending how much you watch. |
| [00:38:03] | wagnerrp: | the master backend is supposed to have all the tuners |
| [00:38:06] | bungled: | well, that's what I had lying around. I had considered a new 250–320GB laptop drive, but don't have spare funds at the moment |
| [00:38:10] | Dagmar: | 10 + 4 < 16 |
| [00:38:25] | wagnerrp: | and even if you did put a tuner in the frontend, there is no way to dedicate it to livetv |
| [00:38:44] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, there should really be no reason for swap |
| [00:38:54] | Dagmar: | Oh yes there is |
| [00:39:09] | Dagmar: | Swap buys you time befor the angry drunken OOM dwarf comes out and starts shooting processes in the face |
| [00:39:13] | Dagmar: | IF it even can |
| [00:39:18] | wagnerrp: | ive got 384MB on one of my frontends, and the only time i dip into it is when im compiling something |
| [00:39:32] | wagnerrp: | just partition off a section of that CF card for swap |
| [00:39:32] | hednod: | yes, swap lets your system run slower.. and slower.. and slower.. before the dwarf kicks in |
| [00:39:38] | bungled: | so the 1GB in there is overkill? |
| [00:39:46] | wagnerrp: | and it will probably end up running faster |
| [00:40:04] | wagnerrp: | 1GB is not overkill, for the mere fact that RAM is dirt cheap now-a-days |
| [00:40:12] | hednod: | put 4gb in and turn off swap ;) |
| [00:40:30] | bungled: | well, the idea for moving swap off the CF is to prevent wear, even with wear-leveling algorithms |
| [00:40:40] | hednod: | vm.swappiness=0 |
| [00:41:07] | bungled: | it's an older socketA board that uses PC133. still not cheap compared to DDR2/3 |
| [00:41:12] | wagnerrp: | well as mentioned, using swap should be a rather rare event |
| [00:41:59] | hednod: | you could swap over NFS ;) |
| [00:42:00] | wagnerrp: | and if youre worried about wear levelling on that CF card, make some network-attached swap on your master backend |
| [00:42:07] | Dagmar: | Thrrow it out unless it's just your frontend |
| [00:42:16] | hednod: | that IS his frontend |
| [00:42:33] | Dagmar: | Don't plan on playing HD content with it |
| [00:42:34] | wagnerrp: | my systems all run off a 10GB iscsi disk, with 2GB used for swap |
| [00:42:48] | bungled: | well, that all depends on whether or not I'm able to get the STB to deliver something other than static |
| [00:43:11] | hednod: | won't plan on playing HD static with it |
| [00:43:29] | bungled: | the STB is HD, and I was hoping to use 1080i on the shiny new TV |
| [00:43:54] | hednod: | that old socketa system is not fast enough to keep up with 1080i |
| [00:43:55] | Dagmar: | Not with a machine that uses PC133 RAM you don't |
| [00:44:04] | bungled: | but I think a lot of that will depend on my decrepit hardware |
| [00:44:06] | wagnerrp: | if you want HD off the STB, you either need to hope you can get something off firewire, or buy an HDDVR and use trunk |
| [00:44:11] | Dagmar: | If it were MPEG you might be able to get away with it |
| [00:44:19] | wagnerrp: | and like Dagmar said, nothing that uses PC133 will be able to play anything HD |
| [00:44:30] | Dagmar: | ...but if you're trying to use firewire, it's going to be a codec you won't be able to play back on that |
| [00:44:35] | bungled: | it's got a GeForce 5200 AGP |
| [00:44:44] | Dagmar: | Well, isn't that special |
| [00:44:48] | bungled: | =) |
| [00:44:53] | Dagmar: | XvMC only helps with MPEG. |
| [00:44:54] | wagnerrp: | that 5200 plus XvMC may manage HD mpeg2 |
| [00:44:56] | ** hednod wonders if xvmc would offload that ** | |
| [00:45:00] | Dagmar: | Everything else is raw CPU power |
| [00:45:06] | wagnerrp: | but your SOL if you need to use a HDPVR |
| [00:45:14] | bungled: | which I've read may in rare cases be able to use the hardware MPEG accelerators |
| [00:45:38] | Dagmar: | They're not rare |
| [00:45:50] | Dagmar: | It's hard to find a video app for Linux that doesn't use Xv |
| [00:46:02] | Dagmar: | ...and Xv makes the use of XvMC more or less transparent |
| [00:46:08] | wagnerrp: | anything before the 7-series (or 8-series?) can use XvMC |
| [00:46:16] | wagnerrp: | the intel drivers support it as well |
| [00:46:23] | hednod: | before 8 seris i think |
| [00:46:26] | Dagmar: | ...and if you've got an nVidia video card and the nVidia drivers, that makes the use of XvMCNVIDIA more or less transparent as well |
| [00:46:26] | wagnerrp: | i think the via chips will only do SD |
| [00:46:26] | bungled: | i was talking more along the lines of 5200 cards not always being up to task |
| [00:46:33] | wagnerrp: | dont know about the ati chips |
| [00:46:49] | Dagmar: | wagneerp: Hell the VIA chips are lucky to be able to do color |
| [00:47:22] | hednod: | my 7600GT does Xvmc, sucks that the OSD is black and white though |
| [00:47:46] | Dagmar: | bungled: You were misinformd about hte 5200's then |
| [00:48:14] | Dagmar: | With respect to the decompressing of MPEG, it's just as good as any card in the 4/5/6xxx lines |
| [00:48:42] | bungled: | so it's feasible to do 1080i @ 1920x1080 on a 5200? |
| [00:48:56] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt be a problem |
| [00:49:03] | wagnerrp: | except youre going to be doing that over analog |
| [00:49:06] | Dagmar: | That depends on if it's encoded with MPEG |
| [00:49:26] | bungled: | I was planning on DVI->HDMI hookup for that |
| [00:49:28] | wagnerrp: | because the TMDS transmitters on the 5200 dont have the bandwidth to do 1920x1200 |
| [00:49:29] | Dagmar: | If it's been encoded with h.264 or some other thing like XviD then probably not |
| [00:49:33] | wagnerrp: | or 1920x1080 |
| [00:49:53] | wagnerrp: | (TMDS = DVI/HDMI signalling protocol) |
| [00:50:13] | bungled: | aah, maybe that was what I was reading about then |
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| [00:50:32] | bungled: | the TMDS issue |
| [00:50:34] | Dagmar: | 1080i on a 5200 should be considered a "nice bonus" when it work |
| [00:51:02] | bungled: | so DVI is most likely 'right out' then? |
| [00:51:05] | Dagmar: | You shoudln't expect that it'll work for anything in particular at that res because it's beyond the bounds of what the card was really designed to do |
| [00:51:29] | Dagmar: | bungled: Has nothing to do with that |
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| [00:51:54] | bungled: | and going over VGA is going to be based on how much "grunt" the box has? |
| [00:52:01] | Dagmar: | No |
| [00:52:12] | bungled: | <- confused =/ |
| [00:52:19] | Dagmar: | Look, the exact plug on the card you use for the output does NOT matter |
| [00:52:20] | wagnerrp: | DVI and VGA are just output ports |
| [00:52:38] | wagnerrp: | you send the video to the card, and then the card sends it to the outputs from there |
| [00:52:41] | Dagmar: | If you have a DVI port, use it. It's signal will be slightly better than VGA, but not really enough to matter or notice |
| [00:52:46] | Dagmar: | If all you have is a VGA port, use that |
| [00:52:49] | bungled: | ok, tracking so far |
| [00:53:06] | Dagmar: | ...but in no case will that card do 1920x1080 resolution very well |
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| [00:53:09] | bungled: | i've got DVI and VGA on the card, VGA and HDMI on the TV |
| [00:53:13] | wagnerrp: | the DACs on any card made in the last ~7 years have usually been 400MHz, capable of 2048x1536 |
| [00:53:44] | wagnerrp: | its just a function of you being able to build a modeline that can run at 1920x1080 on that card |
| [00:53:53] | Dagmar: | That part will be easy |
| [00:53:59] | Dagmar: | It's the rest that gets ugly |
| [00:54:11] | Dagmar: | The 5200 would start to have "issues" when gaming at > 1024x768 |
| [00:54:27] | Dagmar: | Go over 1280x1024 and nothing would go much over 10fps |
| [00:54:40] | bungled: | yeah, that's a limitation I had with it from the very start |
| [00:54:47] | Dagmar: | Even when the scene is simple it can only push pixels so fast |
| [00:55:15] | bungled: | I've abandoned the idea of being able to play anything other than solitaire with it =) |
| [00:55:43] | bungled: | I had looked into going up to a 6xxx or 7xxx card, but it seems silly to get another AGP card |
| [00:55:47] | Dagmar: | Oh you'll be able to use it perfectly fine for any and all SD (standard definition) content |
| [00:55:51] | Dagmar: | For that it's a great card |
| [00:56:52] | bungled: | but HD even at 720 will be a strain in most formats? |
| [00:56:53] | ** wagnerrp was never a fan of the FX line ** | |
| [00:57:11] | Dagmar: | 720p should be doable |
| [00:57:22] | Dagmar: | Maybe not for h.264 tho |
| [00:57:26] | Dagmar: | That codec is really CPU hungry |
| [00:57:43] | Dagmar: | If you stick with "plain" MPEG you should be fine because XvMC will be able to do most of the heavy lifting |
| [00:57:46] | bungled: | the CPU is a scrawny AthlonXP Mobile 2000+ |
| [00:58:13] | Dagmar: | So that'll be fine for SD stuff |
| [00:58:17] | bungled: | which I chose because it was the most powerful 35W CPU available to me in 2004 |
| [00:58:28] | wagnerrp: | ??? an XP 2000+ running PC133? |
| [00:58:29] | bungled: | or '05? |
| [00:58:35] | wagnerrp: | not PC2100? |
| [00:58:39] | bungled: | wait |
| [00:58:42] | bungled: | strike that |
| [00:58:53] | bungled: | yes, it's PC2100 |
| [00:59:10] | Dagmar: | AMD unlocked the buses and allowed people to encripple themselves to save money around then |
| [00:59:12] | Dagmar: | remember? |
| [00:59:39] | Dagmar: | ...althoough I thought by the time we'd gone over 1.2Ghz that ceased to be a sane option |
| [01:00:03] | bungled: | DDR266 |
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| [01:01:59] | bungled: | by "plain" MPEG, you mean MPEG2/DivX? |
| [01:02:22] | bungled: | not avi/xvid/mkv/mov? |
| [01:02:51] | Dagmar: | You've got a lot to learn |
| [01:02:58] | Dagmar: | Half those are just containers, not codecs |
| [01:03:02] | iamlindoro: | MPEG-2 is a codec, which is unrelated to Divx. AVI is a container, xvid is a codec, mkv and mov are containers |
| [01:03:14] | bungled: | well, i know that there are a lot of "mpeg" formats available |
| [01:03:22] | wagnerrp: | thats what he was asking |
| [01:03:32] | wagnerrp: | you mean 'mpeg the codec', rather than 'mpeg the container' |
| [01:04:28] | bungled: | ok, i think i get it. XvMC does hardware MPEG codec playback, regardless of container? |
| [01:05:03] | Dagmar: | Yes. |
| [01:05:08] | wagnerrp: | well mpeg video is typically only found in an mpeg container, but yes |
| [01:05:15] | Dagmar: | "typically" |
| [01:05:24] | Dagmar: | As opposed to all those porno avis that are MPEG |
| [01:06:16] | wagnerrp: | woo! lowes is open until 10PM... off to buy heatshrink... |
| [01:06:54] | bungled: | well, I tried using mencoder to put a dvd on my kid's phone, but found out that .mp4 isn't always an mp4, even if you tell it to be an mpeg |
| [01:07:38] | bungled: | and the number of codecs that can be stuffed into the myriad of containers is pretty confusing |
| [01:10:29] | bungled: | the thing you were saying about the firewire not being a supported/usable format is more related to the codec than the container? |
| [01:10:29] | bungled: | i.e. it may be MPEG transport stream? |
| [01:10:33] | bungled: | or something else entirely? |
| [01:10:36] | Dagmar: | There's two variants of that |
| [01:10:41] | Dagmar: | TS and PS |
| [01:10:52] | Dagmar: | Can't remember WTF PS is but someone will chime in momentarily I'm sure |
| [01:11:21] | iamlindoro: | Program Stream |
| [01:11:33] | Dagmar: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Program_stream |
| [01:12:02] | bungled: | just found it |
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| [01:13:48] | bungled: | ok, so PS and TS are both container formats |
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| [01:14:52] | bungled: | and it's up to the cable provider which video codec they use? |
| [01:15:52] | bungled: | or is it going to be either MPEG1 or MPEG2? |
| [01:16:05] | iamlindoro: | In the US, Over the Air and cable are always MPG-2 is Transport Stream containers |
| [01:16:11] | iamlindoro: | er MPEG-2 in |
| [01:16:28] | iamlindoro: | satellite and IPTV tend to be h.264 in TS |
| [01:17:33] | bungled: | ok. i've got US cable |
| [01:17:41] | iamlindoro: | then it will be MPEG-2 in TS |
| [01:17:45] | bungled: | got it |
| [01:18:04] | bungled: | then the only other real hurdle is if they have it encrypted on the firewire port |
| [01:18:23] | iamlindoro: | Which is most often the case |
| [01:18:35] | bungled: | if they do, then I either need an IR blaster, or try to use the firewire port to change channels |
| [01:19:18] | bungled: | and then use an analog capture card (coax/svhs) to record? |
| [01:19:33] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [01:19:47] | bungled: | which is where the PVR250 comes in |
| [01:19:51] | bungled: | but |
| [01:20:01] | Dagmar: | Only if you like lameness |
| [01:20:15] | Dagmar: | Do not buy a 250 unless you're into antiques |
| [01:20:24] | Dagmar: | It was replaced by the PVR-150 |
| [01:20:47] | bungled: | putting a PVR250 /in/ the frontend needs to have a secondary backend in the HTPC box |
| [01:21:01] | Dagmar: | Umm.. no |
| [01:21:03] | bungled: | i've got 2 PVR250s from back in 05 when I bought most of the hardware |
| [01:21:16] | Dagmar: | Maybe you're thinking of the PVR-350. |
| [01:21:44] | bungled: | and a PVR150, which is a frame grabber, not an MPEG2 encoder like the 250 |
| [01:21:52] | Dagmar: | Wrong again |
| [01:21:58] | Dagmar: | Man you're just racking htem up tonight |
| [01:22:03] | bungled: | ...? |
| [01:22:13] | Dagmar: | The PVR-150 obsolesced the PVR-250. |
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| [01:22:28] | Dagmar: | ...meaning they replaced the design with the new 150. |
| [01:22:40] | Dagmar: | It's functionally identical to the PVR-250. |
| [01:22:50] | Dagmar: | Hardware encoding, input ports, etc. |
| [01:25:10] | Dagmar: | Pretty much all the Hauppauge cards with "PVR" in the model nummber have hardware accellerated encoding |
| [01:27:24] | bungled: | keep in mind that this is an older 150 |
| [01:29:23] | iamlindoro: | There has never been a PVR-150 that lacked an encoder |
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| [01:33:38] | mib_krmojnf2: | I'm getting a 'NVR(/dev/video0): Won't work with the streaming interface, falling back VIDIOCGMBUF:: Invalid argument' error |
| [01:33:49] | mib_krmojnf2: | noobie... can anybody offer suggestions. |
| [01:33:50] | mib_krmojnf2: | ? |
| [01:35:23] | bungled: | man, i've spent the last 5 years thinking that the 150 was inferior to the 250 |
| [01:35:24] | iamlindoro: | What capture card, and what capture card type did you use in mythtv-setup? |
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| [01:37:44] | mib_krmojnf2: | it's a Hauppauge HD-PVR... selected USB MPEG-4 as cap card type. The HDPVR drivers compiled and installed fine... then I tested successfully using 'cat /dev/video0 > test.ts' |
| [01:38:01] | iamlindoro: | aren't you the guy I answered this for on the users list like 6 hours ago? |
| [01:38:22] | Dagmar: | ;Probably |
| [01:38:36] | iamlindoro: | given the *exact* identical phareology of the question, I'd guess yes |
| [01:38:41] | iamlindoro: | er phraseology |
| [01:38:54] | mib_krmojnf2: | dunnno... maybe... I've not gotten anything back from the users list... when does it bulletin? |
| [01:39:02] | iamlindoro: | You got like six responses |
| [01:39:05] | Dagmar: | I was hoping you were analyzing the phrenology of the question |
| [01:39:23] | mib_krmojnf2: | sigh... sorry... |
| [01:39:23] | iamlindoro: | In short, you did not read the wiki very carefully |
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| [01:39:35] | iamlindoro: | The HD-PVR requires trunk, not the release |
| [01:39:53] | iamlindoro: | and the wiki *specifically* says what card type to use, and that's not it |
| [01:40:11] | iamlindoro: | "Add a new capture card. When prompted, select "H.264 Encoder Card (HD-PVR)" as the card type. Set the /dev/video node to the number of your HD-PVR. Finish adding the new capture card. You can also set the audio input on this screen. " |
| [01:40:18] | Dagmar: | bungled: Hey at least you knew the two models were related |
| [01:40:18] | mib_krmojnf2: | ahhh... again... sorry... I did read that but misunderstood |
| [01:40:19] | iamlindoro: | "MythTV SVN Trunk now includes support for the HD-PVR." |
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| [01:40:52] | Dagmar: | Start with ctrl-alt-del |
| [01:40:55] | Dagmar: | wrong chan |
| [01:40:59] | GreyFoxx: | Wow....did I miss a commit? |
| [01:41:14] | bungled: | whoa, you said 'phrenology' |
| [01:41:23] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, whichnow? |
| [01:41:32] | GreyFoxx: | hdpvr support in truknk |
| [01:41:41] | GreyFoxx: | or was that a luser quote ?:) |
| [01:41:42] | mib_krmojnf2: | I'll look for the user list responses... I was getting pretty frustrated. |
| [01:41:43] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, Erm... you missed a commit six months ago |
| [01:41:56] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, It's been supported in trunk since before Christmas! |
| [01:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | For some reason I thought it was still external patches |
| [01:42:03] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [01:42:12] | GreyFoxx: | cool |
| [01:42:17] | iamlindoro: | yep :) |
| [01:42:37] | iamlindoro: | !trout GreyFoxx commit |
| [01:42:37] | ** MythLogBot slaps GreyFoxx with a commit trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
| [01:42:39] | Lexridge: | I'm new to 64 bit linux. Just installed CentOS 5.3 on my new MB. how does one go about building mythtv on a 64bit dist? I immediately get lame errors. Do I need all the 32bit devels as well as the x64 stuff? |
| [01:43:22] | Dagmar: | You post the last 30–50 lines of your compile output to pastebin and tyr to find someone with a clue to look at it |
| [01:43:38] | mib_krmojnf2: | excuse my ignorance.... where can I look to get info on moving the trunk? |
| [01:43:43] | Lexridge: | humm, is that the best you have? ;) |
| [01:44:09] | iamlindoro: | mib_krmojnf2, Read the last paragraph of the HD-PVr wiki |
| [01:44:33] | iamlindoro: | also the first paragraph after " Configuring the HD-PVR in MythTV " |
| [01:44:35] | Lexridge: | Dagmar: I'm not even getting to the compile stage yet....just trying to configure |
| [01:44:46] | iamlindoro: | "Please do not compile trunk simply to use the HD-PVR. The support load caused by everyday users who are not prepared to follow the dev and commit lists, and who ask the same questions that have been covered there, is *noticeably delaying* the stabilization of support and the subsequent release of .22. In short, user selfishness is delaying the product for others! " |
| [01:45:03] | Dagmar: | WEll, if you'd like to whine like a ponce instead of getting things accomplished, be my guest |
| [01:45:40] | iamlindoro: | Lexridge, There's nothing particular to 64 bit versus 32 bit w/r/t compiling, you just need the relevant 64 bit versiosn of all the dependencies |
| [01:46:10] | Dagmar: | I figured if we saw some build output we could be more specific |
| [01:46:25] | Lexridge: | http://pastebin.ca/1402461 |
| [01:47:24] | Lexridge: | iamlindoro: That was my thinking exactly, but I have yet to get anything to build under x64 |
| [01:47:28] | Dagmar: | Freaking install the compile headers for LAME |
| [01:47:30] | mib_krmojnf2: | thanx for the input... I did read the wiki but, being green to myth, I missed some of the details contained there. |
| [01:47:50] | mib_krmojnf2: | I'll go back and read again. |
| [01:47:58] | Lexridge: | Dagmar: compile headers? Is that not part of lame-devel? |
| [01:48:03] | Dagmar: | Either the configure test is broken, or you don't actually have themn installed |
| [01:48:13] | iamlindoro: | Lexridge, Still true, though, nothing fancy about building on 64 bit, the processes are identical |
| [01:48:14] | Dagmar: | Now would be a good time to check the output of the internal log configure makes |
| [01:48:18] | Dagmar: | Hopefulyl it'll say something useful |
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| [01:48:31] | Dagmar: | What iamlindoro says about 64-bit platforms is true |
| [01:48:46] | iamlindoro: | Possible that, as dagmar mentioned, someone's packages are broken, though |
| [01:48:58] | Dagmar: | And befor eyou get the SLIGHTEST idea to contradict that, I've got a repo of >400 packages here that build with the same script on both 32-bit and 64-bit platforms |
| [01:49:14] | iamlindoro: | I build myth on 64 bit 4–5 times a week and don't do anything fancy :) |
| [01:49:25] | iamlindoro: | Except for the virgin sacrifice thing |
| [01:49:35] | frogonwheels: | :) |
| [01:49:38] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Its' one of those two things, although I suspect there's probably some weirdness in Myth's configure script just because well, it's a hacked-up mess |
| [01:49:51] | Lexridge: | dagmar: The config.log tells very little, but I will post it nonetheless. |
| [01:49:57] | Dagmar: | Whether or not it generates the usual config.log file is anyone's guess |
| [01:50:09] | iamlindoro: | config.err, not .log, like it says in the error message... |
| [01:50:24] | Dagmar: | I woudln't argue if I saw them both |
| [01:50:50] | Dagmar: | Somethings probably coughing up a chunk of #error includes |
| [01:51:26] | Lexridge: | here's the config.err output: http://pastebin.ca/1402465 |
| [01:51:55] | Dagmar: | wtf |
| [01:52:15] | Lexridge: | I know I'm still missing a lot of things, but generally I can add them one at a time as the errors spit out....but not in this case. |
| [01:52:29] | ** iamlindoro hugs build-dep ** | |
| [01:52:59] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/epg_roughout3.png |
| [01:53:20] | Lexridge: | wow, that's sweet looking!!! |
| [01:53:47] | GreyFoxx: | Pretty! :) |
| [01:54:11] | iamlindoro: | Just rough placement stuff for now, will make it really pretty when I have a chance |
| [01:54:13] | iamlindoro: | but thanks :) |
| [01:54:17] | frogonwheels: | nice |
| [01:54:27] | bungled: | wow, this PVR-150 thing has my head all screwed up. it's like the one I have doesn't even exist |
| [01:54:40] | Dagmar: | This output is filled iwth evil |
| [01:55:13] | Lexridge: | lol, shit, the dark side of the force has attacked my new machine :( |
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| [01:55:30] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, Catch my OSD changes for season/episode/subtitle in MythVideo? http://www.fecitfacta.com/mv_osd_seasep.png |
| [01:55:54] | hednod: | You need an exorcism, Lexridge |
| [01:56:18] | Lexridge: | crap, that would just be my luck :) |
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| [01:57:17] | Dagmar: | See this is why I like config.log |
| [01:57:17] | GreyFoxx: | yeah I like that |
| [01:57:32] | Dagmar: | EVERY little failed test gets logged into config.err, even the things we know will fail |
| [01:58:14] | Dagmar: | Offhand I'm going to have to go with this is one of those effed up issues where something's being passed /usr/lib as a path instead of /usr/lib64 |
| [01:58:15] | Lexridge: | dagmar: It's no longer generating a config.log for some reason. and stupid me deleted the old one expecting a new one to be created. |
| [01:58:35] | Lexridge: | dagmar: I think that is EXACTLY what is happening |
| [01:58:36] | Dagmar: | Try passing /usr/lib64 as one of the --something-includedir optiosn |
| [01:59:06] | Lexridge: | okay, lemme do a configure--help to check the options |
| [01:59:16] | Dagmar: | According to what's in config.err, there's not a damn thing wrong with the LAME bindings |
| [01:59:25] | Lexridge: | humm |
| [01:59:26] | Dagmar: | ...but ther'es craploads of breakage in the ffmpeg stuff |
| [01:59:40] | Lexridge: | yea, just now putting in the ffmpeg stuff as I type. |
| [01:59:55] | Dagmar: | I'm impressed. |
| [02:00:11] | Dagmar: | Generally it only takes me half that long to sort through even the worst build output |
| [02:00:14] | Dagmar: | hehe |
| [02:00:33] | Dagmar: | This r not sarcasm either |
| [02:00:36] | Lexridge: | and x264 stuff is going in now too |
| [02:01:24] | Lexridge: | qt4 is also eating my lunch....nothing using qt4 will compile so far.....it's all trying to find /usr/lib/qt4, and not /usr/lib64/qt4 :( |
| [02:02:26] | iamlindoro: | If you're using qt4 to compile myth .21, you have a problem right there |
| [02:02:58] | iamlindoro: | and myth should NOT, under any circumstances, be passed --enable-libx264 |
| [02:03:07] | iamlindoro: | EVER |
| [02:03:17] | Lexridge: | iamlindoro: not trying to use qt4 for mythtv.....I was trying to also get qtractor and qjackctl compiled...that's where my qt4 problem is showing up |
| [02:03:32] | hednod: | iamlindoro: ever? |
| [02:03:43] | iamlindoro: | hednod, ever |
| [02:04:02] | iamlindoro: | Myth *does not use* libx264, under any circumstance |
| [02:04:11] | Lexridge: | oh, i thought it did. |
| [02:04:12] | iamlindoro: | people who think they have discovered "hidden" configure options for myth should be shot |
| [02:04:48] | iamlindoro: | if it doesn't appear in ./configure --help, it doesn't exist |
| [02:04:50] | Lexridge: | damn! same thing. I even did a make clean first. Maybe I have a config.log now. |
| [02:04:53] | clever: | there are hidden options like the livetv idle timeout |
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| [02:05:00] | clever: | which you shouldnt be shot for using:P |
| [02:05:03] | Lexridge: | nope, still empty |
| [02:05:08] | hednod: | its a libx264 conspiracy! |
| [02:05:35] | iamlindoro: | it's a failure of the education system |
| [02:05:46] | Lexridge: | should I have an env var pointing to /usr/lib64? |
| [02:06:30] | Lexridge: | I only ask, because I do not have one. |
| [02:07:23] | Lexridge: | I will still need x264 whenever I get around to building vlc anyway, so it didn't hurt to install it. |
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| [02:08:35] | Lexridge: | here are the only x64 env vars I have showing: http://pastebin.ca/1402476 |
| [02:09:18] | Lexridge: | opps, here instead: http://pastebin.ca/1402477 |
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| [02:14:49] | Lexridge: | at this point, I'm thinking maybe I should just format and reinstall CentOS, because something is certainly not right. |
| [02:15:40] | Lexridge: | is anyone else using CentOS, or am I the only one? I only chose it because of it's 7 year life cycle. I was getting tired of Fedora being deprecated after only 18 months. |
| [02:15:53] | bungled: | wow, I think i was really drunk when I ordered this "PVR-150" |
| [02:16:15] | bungled: | turns out it wasn't a PVR at all... |
| [02:16:16] | Lexridge: | bungled: Heck, nothing like a surprise package in the mail lol |
| [02:16:27] | bungled: | WinTV-Radio... |
| [02:16:36] | bungled: | with "SoftPVR" |
| [02:16:58] | Lexridge: | the pvr150 is not a hardware mpeg device? |
| [02:17:00] | bungled: | how the hell I ever confused that with a 150 is beyond me |
| [02:17:11] | bungled: | the 150 indeed is |
| [02:17:22] | bungled: | but this silly WinTV-Radio isn't |
| [02:17:27] | Lexridge: | oh |
| [02:17:53] | bungled: | dagmar: I stand corrected =) |
| [02:18:20] | bungled: | dagmar: but I do posess 2 winTV-PVR-250's |
| [02:18:29] | Dagmar: | I've got a stack of various tuner cards |
| [02:18:44] | Dagmar: | The hardware-accellerated cards are the only ones I use anymore, with one exception |
| [02:19:05] | Dagmar: | I've got one Bt878 card running for image capture from an old Panasonic EggCam |
| [02:19:16] | bungled: | If I was going to go and replace any of them, I would talk to someone in the area with a DVB card and see if they can even tune basic cable |
| [02:19:19] | Lexridge: | dagmar: I moved this mythtv sourcecode directory from my old machine which was 32bit. Is it possible there is something left in there from the old that is not fixing itself for the new? |
| [02:19:36] | Lexridge: | even after a make clean? |
| [02:19:42] | Dagmar: | Could be, but `make distclean` or `make clean` should clear it out |
| [02:20:01] | Lexridge: | humm, I did not try make distclean. |
| [02:20:04] | Dagmar: | You could have uncompressed a pristine source tarball in less time than it took to ask that |
| [02:20:13] | Lexridge: | lol |
| [02:20:15] | Lexridge: | true |
| [02:21:08] | Lexridge: | nope, distclean didn't work either. :( |
| [02:21:42] | bungled: | well, it's been a, erm, enlightening day here today |
| [02:22:07] | bungled: | but I do appreciate the help you've all given me |
| [02:22:43] | bungled: | I don't have any other puter cobblers around to bounce my ideas off |
| [02:23:01] | bungled: | so it's nice to get some feedback on my crazy schemes |
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| [02:25:11] | Lexridge: | Just tried the .21 tarball. same thing. I wonder if having to use the pci=nomsi kernel boot option could have anything to do with this? Doubtful anyway. |
| [02:27:32] | Lexridge: | anyway, I shall return. Someone just brought out a bottle of tequila I must indulge in. Compiling mythtv can wait a bit for now. :) |
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| [02:34:28] | Dagmar: | It won't affect compile time |
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| [02:38:24] | PaulWay: | Right, that makes more sense. |
| [02:39:28] | PaulWay: | And having finally enabled every repository under the sun (it seems), I can finally get xmltv installed on my Centos 5.2 box. |
| [02:39:49] | PaulWay: | Now to get tv_grab_au working again. |
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| [02:42:33] | PaulWay: | Can I run mythfilldatabase on a machine that's not a backend? |
| [02:42:53] | PaulWay: | As long as it can contact the database to work out where the master backend is running? |
| [02:43:53] | PaulWay: | It's stupid of me to ask now, since I'm just about to have lunch and go out for the afternoon. |
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| [02:45:10] | Essobi: | howdy |
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| [02:47:37] | Essobi: | Anyone used myth on Debian 5 yet? |
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| [03:20:04] | johnb003: | Hey, I'm looking to get a tuner card, and I have digital cable. Do the hauppage tuners work with digital cable or do I need something else, like the HD PVR thing, and will that work with mythtv? |
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| [03:44:16] | wagnerrp: | hauppauge *does* make tuners that work with digital cable, however the standard pvr-150/250/350/500 do not |
| [03:44:47] | wagnerrp: | the HDPVR *does not* worth with digital cable, it is merely a HD capture device |
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| [04:28:45] | gravyflex1: | I am trying to figure out what is causing this error: http://pastebin.ca/1402535 |
| [04:29:29] | iamlindoro: | You're trying to build trunk against qt3 |
| [04:29:37] | iamlindoro: | trunk builds only against qt4 |
| [04:30:04] | gravyflex1: | I am trying to figure out why it is building against qt3 |
| [04:30:17] | gravyflex1: | I have qt4 installed |
| [04:30:23] | iamlindoro: | Because you have both installed and qmake aliased to the qt3 version |
| [04:30:28] | iamlindoro: | qmake --version |
| [04:31:04] | wagnerrp: | you can run trunk on a mixed system, but its far simpler not to have to deal with it |
| [04:31:21] | gravyflex1: | Happens when I point it to qmake-qt4 |
| [04:31:41] | iamlindoro: | sure, *now*, your makefiles are screwed |
| [04:32:12] | iamlindoro: | you can try making distclean, then configure with the --qmake= option |
| [04:34:04] | gravyflex1: | I will give that a go |
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| [05:38:39] | iamlindoro: | *sigh* |
| [05:38:56] | iamlindoro: | I wonder if the "go eff yourself" subtext is evident in my latest e-mail to JYA |
| [05:39:35] | iamlindoro: | hmm, how to say this within the language filter |
| [05:40:02] | iamlindoro: | that f**king guy is suck a g*dd**n f**king c**ksucker I just wish he'd die in a f**king fire |
| [05:40:27] | iamlindoro: | "Not all themes have been adapter to the new MythUI In fact, most of them aren't. Lack of any usable themes is a major reason for not upgrading to trunk unfortunately" |
| [05:43:30] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-April/254333.html And my response |
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| [05:51:03] | wagnerrp: | seems RealNetworks is being sued over their DVD copying software |
| [05:51:51] | wagnerrp: | how does this happen 10 years after after software has started doing that? |
| [05:52:28] | wagnerrp: | have all previous retail rippers been based in countries that do not have DMCA type laws? |
| [05:52:32] | iamlindoro: | Real have money to get in a lawsuit |
| [05:54:59] | wagnerrp: | heh... oddly enough, RealNetworks bought Xing in 1999, the same year that the Xing DVD Player was disassembled by DVD Jon to break the CSS encryption |
| [05:55:08] | wagnerrp: | interesting coincidence |
| [05:55:56] | iamlindoro: | I hate responding to that a-hole late at night, because I know I'll wake up to more of his crap |
| [05:56:47] | wagnerrp: | well you know... youre just jealous of his contributions to hardware video decoding |
| [05:56:57] | iamlindoro: | Completely |
| [05:57:38] | iamlindoro: | I think the only way I could more obviously call him an unoriginal idiot who steals others' work after this e-mail is to just say that |
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| [06:09:29] | wagnerrp: | the army is currently testing an EMP bomb... surprised its taken them this long, considering the tech has been around since the '50s |
| [06:13:58] | at0m: | start backing up on dvd :] |
| [06:14:24] | wagnerrp: | youve obviously never put a dvd in a microwave |
| [06:15:20] | at0m: | wagnerrp, EMP's are ment to disrupt electronics, but leave bio stuff intact. a cat does not survive microwave either. it would survive EMP. |
| [06:15:35] | clever: | dvd wrapped in a faraday cage! |
| [06:15:43] | wagnerrp: | a cat doesnt survive because it gets cooked |
| [06:15:45] | clever: | in a bunker 400 meters underground |
| [06:16:20] | wagnerrp: | a cd/dvd doesnt survive because there are charge differences within the microwave chamber, that causes arcing across the foil |
| [06:16:47] | at0m: | cooked, fried, arcing foil whatever. this is not what EMP's do |
| [06:16:58] | wagnerrp: | thats EXACTLY WHAT EMPS DO!!! |
| [06:17:14] | wagnerrp: | the charge difference is what causes it to fry electronics |
| [06:17:30] | wagnerrp: | voltage difference, rather |
| [06:18:00] | at0m: | voltage? magnetism isnt voltage. get your physics. |
| [06:18:11] | ** at0m goes to bed ** | |
| [06:18:15] | iamlindoro: | uhhhhhhhh |
| [06:18:42] | iamlindoro: | *Electro*Magnetic Pulse |
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| [06:19:01] | at0m: | how much volts from northpole to southpole? |
| [06:19:06] | iamlindoro: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_bomb |
| [06:19:21] | iamlindoro: | "An electromagnetic bomb or E-bomb is a weapon designed to disable electronics with an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) that can couple with electrical/electronic systems to produce damaging current and voltage surges by electromagnetic induction. " |
| [06:19:31] | clever: | you only get a voltage from a magnetic field when the field is moving thru a wire |
| [06:19:39] | iamlindoro: | So yeah, it's *exactly* what wagnerrp was telling you |
| [06:19:42] | clever: | or the wire is moving thru the field |
| [06:21:23] | at0m: | clever, right, at least something that can be *magnetised*. like a metal or electrical wire. like there's a godzillion in your pc or hd or cpu or whatever. |
| [06:22:15] | clever: | the magnetic field passing thru a harddrive can change the bits stored on the disk |
| [06:22:21] | wagnerrp: | at0m: the EMP will destroy anything acting like an antenna |
| [06:22:22] | at0m: | iamlindoro, change in current causes magnetism, and vice versa. |
| [06:22:29] | at0m: | DVD antenna's! |
| [06:22:32] | ** gagbro fights the pvr500, but no matter what he does, it ends up capturing 480x480, which is no good for PAL ** | |
| [06:22:35] | clever: | the field passing thru the traces on the drive controler could create enough current to burn the traces/chips |
| [06:22:47] | wagnerrp: | that means any length of magnetic material of the same wavelength or longer |
| [06:23:09] | wagnerrp: | err... electrically conductive material |
| [06:23:32] | at0m: | wagnerrp, right. now measure resistance over your cd. |
| [06:23:45] | gagbro: | I've setup for PAL both in mythtvsetup, and the recording profiles in the frontend, as well as each and every channel in the channel list, but no matter what, I end up with 480x480 |
| [06:23:46] | at0m: | it's near infinite. |
| [06:24:07] | wagnerrp: | at0m: you see that clear material that is in front of the foil? its called plastic |
| [06:24:17] | at0m: | conducting plastic? |
| [06:24:19] | wagnerrp: | break a CD in half, and test the foil inside |
| [06:27:03] | at0m: | wagnerrp, i appreciate your supporting mythtv, but i do so not agree with your physics theories eh. |
| [06:27:10] | at0m: | it's late here, i'm off to bed. |
| [06:27:30] | wagnerrp: | are you a physicist or engineer? |
| [06:27:49] | wagnerrp: | i think im going to pull the 'im a rocket scientist' card on this one... :P |
| [06:28:42] | at0m: | i am an engineer, yes, and i'm quite interested in electromagnetism and other physics. |
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| [06:29:34] | wagnerrp: | anyway, you stick a CD in the microwave, you see bright flashes of light |
| [06:29:54] | at0m: | wagnerrp, EMP's aren't microwaves. |
| [06:29:55] | wagnerrp: | current arcing through the foil, burning it, and producing plasma |
| [06:30:05] | wagnerrp: | what are EMPs then? |
| [06:30:44] | wagnerrp: | EMs are electromagnetic radiation, light, radio, infrared, microwave |
| [06:30:50] | wagnerrp: | its a pulse of it |
| [06:31:18] | wagnerrp: | microwave is just the ideal frequency to destroy things, so thats what frequency such devices are tuned to run at |
| [06:32:13] | at0m: | light is also electomagnetic, see maxwell's theory. a microwave just focusses on the wavelength of hydrogen or something, so it gets excited and warms up. this means most carbons (C,O,H,.. chains) will heat up from it. |
| [06:32:58] | at0m: | an EMP is made to leave humans and other life, even DVD's intact. |
| [06:33:32] | at0m: | it's aimed only at electronics: hd's, chips etc |
| [06:33:52] | wagnerrp: | well in your definition, a GRB is a form of EMP, and one of those will roast half the planet |
| [06:34:29] | at0m: | GRB is very broad spectrum. will contain light, microwave, infrared, the *whole* spectrum |
| [06:34:41] | wagnerrp: | and in fact, the nuclear generated EMPs are originally formed from GRB |
| [06:35:01] | wagnerrp: | no its not, by definition, GRB = gamma ray burst... gamma rays |
| [06:35:43] | at0m: | wagnerrp, gamma rays are the most energetic electromagnetic waves that exist. |
| [06:35:59] | wagnerrp: | and? |
| [06:36:10] | at0m: | a lightbulb does create electromagnetic waves, visible ones, but not gamma rays eh |
| [06:36:33] | wagnerrp: | a flashbulb, another form of EMP by your definition |
| [06:37:07] | clever: | yeah, ive set off a camera flash near a hand held game before and it rebooted |
| [06:37:50] | wagnerrp: | well that was probably more from induction from the discharge of the capacitor than the bulb |
| [06:38:19] | at0m: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum |
| [06:38:26] | PaulWay: | It's the "hydrogen or something" that I like. |
| [06:39:41] | wagnerrp: | an EMP is any form of burst of EM energy, but for the purposes of a weapon, it is an EM generator in the microwave range |
| [06:40:01] | at0m: | PaulWay, all i know is that microwave oven is a farraday cage to keep the EM *inside* till it hits something that gets excited, and it only works on a specific wavelength. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons . . . ies_edit.svg |
| [06:40:04] | wagnerrp: | its a high enough frequency that it will damage most electronics, its a low enough frequency that it will pass through most structure walls |
| [06:40:18] | wagnerrp: | it has nothing to so with the bandgap of hydrogen being somewhere around 2.5GHz |
| [06:40:37] | PaulWay: | at0m: the microwaves used in the ovens are basically exciting the hydrogen-carbon and hydrogen-oxygen bonds. |
| [06:40:47] | wagnerrp: | in fact, its a considerable detriment that hydrogen is around that frequency, because it limits the range of such devices |
| [06:41:08] | at0m: | PaulWay, thank you. |
| [06:41:42] | at0m: | PaulWay, do EMP's damage optical media? |
| [06:41:44] | PaulWay: | That's my understanding anyway. |
| [06:42:02] | PaulWay: | Only foil-printed ones. |
| [06:42:11] | iamlindoro: | Exactly |
| [06:42:32] | wagnerrp: | if the media is made out of a conductive material, it will be damaged |
| [06:42:45] | at0m: | wagnerrp, we are conductive material |
| [06:42:56] | wagnerrp: | at0m: not really |
| [06:43:29] | PaulWay: | wagnerrp: in the right way we are. You can be killed by a nine-volt battery if it bridges the right places. |
| [06:43:38] | PaulWay: | Hmmmm – if there's a foil backing in the dye-printed ones, then they'd be susceptible too. |
| [06:44:21] | PaulWay: | OTOH you can touch the terminals of a nine-volt battery on your fingertip and not feel a thing. |
| [06:44:36] | wagnerrp: | the skin is a couple million ohms, and while the fluids are much more conductive, its absorbed too quickly to make it deep enough to cause problems |
| [06:44:37] | PaulWay: | So it all depends on where – skin resistance, nerve positions, etc. |
| [06:44:49] | wagnerrp: | you just end up with some minor heating on your skin |
| [06:45:06] | iamlindoro: | http://img.tomshardware.com/us/2004/08/27/double/dvdrec.jpg |
| [06:45:08] | at0m: | how about /j ##physics eh |
| [06:45:12] | clever: | wagnerrp: ive never felt a charge from a 9v batery, enless i put it directly on my toughn |
| [06:45:14] | PaulWay: | I will now buy out of this particular debate. |
| [06:45:22] | clever: | but i have gotten a charge off of AA's, maybe 12 in a row |
| [06:45:26] | clever: | or more |
| [06:45:42] | iamlindoro: | at0m, You were asking PaulWay to answer your question-- presumably you expected him to answer in a way you wanted, but when he more or less agreed with wagnerrp you seem to have let it drop |
| [06:45:43] | wagnerrp: | clever: put two electrodes into your skin, and you certainly will |
| [06:46:04] | PaulWay: | MythTV: can I run mythbackend on a machine which isn't a master backend? |
| [06:46:11] | PaulWay: | Sorry, mythfilldatabase. |
| [06:46:17] | iamlindoro: | PaulWay, Yes, but there will need to be a master backend associated with it |
| [06:46:22] | clever: | wagnerrp: yeah, if you peirce the skin you will get alot more noticable effect |
| [06:46:43] | ** gagbro fights the pvr500, but no matter what he does, it ends up capturing 480x480, which is no good for PAL ** | |
| [06:46:47] | gagbro: | I've setup for PAL both in mythtvsetup, and the recording profiles in the frontend, as well as each and every channel in the channel list, but no matter what, I end up with 480x480 |
| [06:46:52] | iamlindoro: | PaulWay, should be possible presuming it has DB access and has a properly configured config.xml/mysql.txt |
| [06:46:53] | PaulWay: | Basically my old mythtv backend is a Fedora-8 machine and I'm decomissioning it and moving to a CentOS 5 box. |
| [06:46:55] | wagnerrp: | ive heard anecdotes about people dying from circuit testers |
| [06:47:11] | wagnerrp: | held the probes in either hand, squeezed so hard they broke the surface |
| [06:47:18] | PaulWay: | Righto. Let's see if I can convince mythtv-setup that it has XMLTV installed. |
| [06:47:23] | wagnerrp: | and suddenly the battery supplied enough current directly across the heart |
| [06:47:45] | PaulWay: | It would appear that I can :-) |
| [06:48:26] | PaulWay: | No, I spoke too soon – it scanned for XMLTV grabbers but then doesn't offer them as an option. |
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| [06:48:29] | at0m: | iamlindoro, it's been a very long day. I'm not fresh enough to keep this discussion now. i just expressed my thought, and maybe i'm wrong indeed. But EM waves causing electronics to fry are just of a different order of magnitude IMHO. |
| [06:48:58] | wagnerrp: | than a microwave oven? |
| [06:49:15] | at0m: | microwave is a feedback cage. |
| [06:49:42] | wagnerrp: | pull the magnetron out of a microwave, point it at a computer from a short distance, the computer will die |
| [06:50:10] | laga: | poor puter. |
| [06:50:12] | iamlindoro: | Also, your children will have tusks |
| [06:50:18] | at0m: | ehehe! |
| [06:50:29] | wagnerrp: | nah, microwaves are not ionizing |
| [06:50:33] | wagnerrp: | no mutations, just cooking |
| [06:50:41] | clever: | wagnerrp: i have 2 computer towers stacked behind my microwave... |
| [06:50:44] | ** iamlindoro watches that one whooooshhhh over wagnerrp's head ** | |
| [06:50:54] | clever: | and thats the 20 year old microwave my parrents got to thaw out frozen baby food |
| [06:51:13] | wagnerrp: | i read that one a bit quickly, and missed the word 'food' |
| [06:51:23] | PaulWay: | Heh |
| [06:51:26] | clever: | lol |
| [06:52:12] | iamlindoro: | Does the microwave have a warning label that reads "Warning! When used on food, may cause child to become useless smelly layabout?" |
| [06:52:18] | at0m: | let's example with something else: there's commercial demagnetisers for harddisks. they will cause computer to crash, but they're totally harmless for the rest.. |
| [06:52:58] | wagnerrp: | thats a magnetic field, not an electromagnetic transmission |
| [06:52:58] | clever: | iamlindoro: havent seen that labele... |
| [06:53:03] | gagbro: | I see, I should have joined #microwave instead, they probably talk about mythtv problems |
| [06:53:29] | wagnerrp: | now if you put your computer in front of said device, and spin it rapidly, it will destory it |
| [06:53:36] | ** at0m hands mythtv back to mythtv ** | |
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| [06:54:25] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the europen crowd should be waking up about now, and may actually use it for something related to mythtv |
| [06:54:43] | gagbro: | long live the europeans |
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| [06:55:35] | ** gagbro takes a walk while waiting for the crowd ** | |
| [06:55:41] | laga: | wagnerrp: 8:55 in germany :) |
| [06:55:56] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but its the weekend, and youre supposed to be sleeping in |
| [06:56:23] | ** PaulWay waves the flag for the Australians ** | |
| [06:56:53] | laga: | wagnerrp: no. i don't have window blinds. so i'm waking up early |
| [06:57:32] | wagnerrp: | meh... i would sleep right through it |
| [06:57:49] | wagnerrp: | i better hope my house never catches fire in the middle of the night, i would be doomed |
| [06:58:03] | PaulWay: | I wish the guy who writes the tv_grab_oztivo would get his excreta compiled and submit it to the regular xmltv-grabbers package. |
| [06:58:04] | laga: | wagnerrp: no, i got up early so i can go buy blinds.. |
| [06:58:13] | wagnerrp: | oh... heh |
| [06:58:27] | laga: | PaulWay: if it needs to be compiled, it doesn't fit into XMLTV :) |
| [06:58:48] | wagnerrp: | xmltv is all perl? |
| [06:58:52] | laga: | yep |
| [06:59:08] | PaulWay: | laga: that's my obscure phrase for "get his shit together" |
| [06:59:15] | PaulWay: | It's all Perl. |
| [06:59:37] | grokky: | PaulWay: you not using Shepherd? |
| [06:59:58] | PaulWay: | No. |
| [07:00:09] | grokky: | why not? |
| [07:00:14] | PaulWay: | The oztivo stuff is CC licensed. |
| [07:00:20] | PaulWay: | And I don't like the scrapers. |
| [07:00:28] | PaulWay: | I agree that Shepherd is the awesome. |
| [07:00:48] | PaulWay: | *sigh* This is probably actually a good time for me to use it. |
| [07:00:55] | PaulWay: | The EIT data is pure suck. |
| [07:01:10] | wagnerrp: | ugh... |
| [07:01:27] | wagnerrp: | someone seems to have uncovered the account of my university's mass mailer |
| [07:01:46] | grokky: | To be honest, I'm using ice at present (was shepherd before). Mainly bought a subscription just to support their court case. |
| [07:01:49] | wagnerrp: | they accidentally sent one email, so people keep replying to it to say stop emailing them |
| [07:02:08] | wagnerrp: | so the entire university keeps getting spammed by a bunch of retards |
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| [07:02:45] | PaulWay: | Yeah – you heard the result, grokky? |
| [07:03:00] | PaulWay: | I was thinking of buying a subscription for that reason too. |
| [07:03:14] | PaulWay: | I'm just lazy and the tvguide.org.au data was good enough. |
| [07:03:17] | grokky: | Yup. good news. Their data has really sucked lately though. |
| [07:03:25] | PaulWay: | Oh? |
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| [07:04:00] | grokky: | the odd mistake, lots of N/A's for channel 9 – as they weren't allowed to list them – hopefully that will be fixed soon now though. |
| [07:04:12] | PaulWay: | Yeah, undoubtedly. |
| [07:04:27] | PaulWay: | Let's face it, they're always going to be imperfect. |
| [07:04:47] | grokky: | Shepherd seems to be the best. Virtually never had a problem. Although I hear its a bit problematic now with the ten/One crap. |
| [07:05:18] | PaulWay: | Until freeview dies a painful and bloody death and the courts rule that we should all just have access to the data anyway, the commercial stations are going to still crap in everyone's face trying to make their TV guide "special". |
| [07:06:00] | PaulWay: | For a while I tried to track the yahoo grabber that was located at onlinetractorparts but it was just always a losing game. |
| [07:06:26] | PaulWay: | Yahoo would introduce some new bit of javascript or obfuscation and you'd be back grovelling through the source. |
| [07:06:29] | wagnerrp: | onlinetractorparts sounds like an ideal place to get a tv listings scraper |
| [07:06:45] | PaulWay: | It was obscure in a strangely Australian way. |
| [07:06:51] | PaulWay: | rohbags – that was the guy's nick. |
| [07:07:23] | ** tfm is gone. Away after 60000 minutes of inactivity [Since: 04/25/09 09:07:22 CEST] ** | |
| [07:07:46] | PaulWay: | Basically TV guide data here in the land of the parched echidna is still seen as the commercial property of the TV stations, and they don't want to make it easy for anyone to record TV just in case they might skip ads. |
| [07:07:48] | grokky: | Freeview in Oz is the biggest joke around. I really love the squeezing in extra channels simulcasting the same crap, then lowering the res and bitrate of the existing channels to allow for the new channels with no new content, and then trying to restrict the EIT data. |
| [07:07:49] | wagnerrp: | maybe that should be seconds? |
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| [07:08:22] | wagnerrp: | surely his idle timer isnt set to 6 weeks |
| [07:08:44] | PaulWay: | Well, 41 days of being online should be enough for anybody :-) |
| [07:09:05] | PaulWay: | grokky: with you there... :-) |
| [07:09:11] | laga: | tfm: who cares? |
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| [07:16:47] | PaulWay: | Ugh – this config file is XML with plaintext blocks in it – like a .ini file but with <xml></xml> rather than [header] |
| [07:19:04] | PaulWay: | Well, I've got it working again... |
| [07:19:11] | PaulWay: | The grabber, that is. |
| [07:19:59] | clever: | lol:( |
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| [07:22:00] | wagnerrp: | ttdb lists pushing daisies as airing yesterday |
| [07:22:42] | wagnerrp: | that in another foreign market? i know the last three episodes have already played in germany |
| [07:24:17] | wagnerrp: | seems it was aired in the UK... |
| [07:26:02] | wagnerrp: | there we go... 'Pushing Daisies Returns May 30, Sat 10/9c' |
| [07:26:54] | PaulWay: | Crap – why doesn't mythtv-setup find any grabbers? |
| [07:27:03] | PaulWay: | Hmmm – "tv_find_grabbers exited early or we timed out waiting" |
| [07:27:20] | ** Supaplex checks svn trunk for any HAVA development ** | |
| [07:27:31] | PaulWay: | Yet I can run it from the command line and it takes about the same amount of time and gives a list of grabbers. |
| [07:28:12] | PaulWay: | Is it possible to run mythtv-setup in windowed mode? |
| [07:28:20] | wagnerrp: | sure |
| [07:28:29] | wagnerrp: | --geometry and --windowed |
| [07:28:43] | wagnerrp: | they follow the settings defined in the frontend as well, if you have defined them |
| [07:28:48] | PaulWay: | I tried --windowed and it said unrecognised option. |
| [07:29:00] | PaulWay: | from --help it looks like the option is -geometry. |
| [07:29:09] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its actually -- |
| [07:29:32] | PaulWay: | I hate to contradict you but I just ran it with -geometry 800x600 and it ran with that geometry. |
| [07:29:46] | PaulWay: | You might be thinking of the front end, which does accept those options as you stated. |
| [07:29:48] | wagnerrp: | i suppose its both, ive always used two dashes |
| [07:29:54] | wagnerrp: | oh.. maybe |
| [07:31:13] | PaulWay: | Curse it, tv_find_grabbers is working but mythtv-setup is thinking it failed. Why!?!?! |
| [07:31:29] | PaulWay: | mythtv-setup -v all shows no further information than that. |
| [07:32:33] | PaulWay: | What return result would it be expecting? |
| [07:32:41] | ** PaulWay tries replacing it with 'cat'. ** | |
| [07:34:45] | Supaplex: | what's it doing right meow? |
| [07:35:21] | PaulWay: | Heh |
| [07:36:01] | PaulWay: | Well, when you run it normally it returns fine (tv_find_grabbers || echo fail doesn't echo anything). |
| [07:36:32] | PaulWay: | Interesting – now mythtv-setup hasn't said tv_find_grabbers failed... |
| [07:36:47] | PaulWay: | And it's got the XMLTV options. Yay! |
| [07:36:49] | Supaplex: | tv_find_grabbers | tee $(mktemp /tmp/grabbers.XXXXXX) || echo fail |
| [07:36:59] | wagnerrp: | PaulWay: you can override it with -O, but i cant seem to find the 'windowed' option in the database |
| [07:36:59] | Supaplex: | same result I expect... |
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| [07:40:53] | PaulWay: | After mabulating the config files into the right place it seems to be doing something right... |
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| [07:43:23] | wagnerrp: | there it is |
| [07:43:38] | wagnerrp: | PaulWay: '-O RunFrontendInWindow=1' |
| [07:43:42] | wagnerrp: | works for mythtv-setup too |
| [07:45:12] | PaulWay: | wagnerrp: cool – thanks! |
| [07:46:07] | PaulWay: | Hmmmm – when mythfilldatabase --manual says "choose a channel ID" does it mean a MythTV channel ID (e.g. 1003) or a channel number (e.g. 3)? |
| [07:49:30] | PaulWay: | Right, by experiment it turns out to mean 'MythTV channel ID'. |
| [07:51:44] | PaulWay: | Let's see if I can run it in batch mode with my prefab config. |
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| [07:56:52] | sphex_: | hey.. what's the very best tuner card for less than $100 that does hardware encoding? |
| [07:57:28] | Supaplex: | bobs five finger discounted goods. |
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| [07:59:23] | sphex_: | hrm ok. is it even around $100 for a good hardware encoding card? |
| [08:01:31] | Supaplex: | I was jk btw. :) |
| [08:02:00] | wagnerrp: | sphex_: check out ivtvdriver.org for a list |
| [08:02:17] | wagnerrp: | theyre largely not available for retail any longer |
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| [08:03:47] | dannz: | is there something special one has to do to get changes in channel editor to show up? i have changed the names of my channels, but when i go to watch tv they still lshow as unknown |
| [08:03:50] | sphex_: | wagnerrp: ok |
| [08:03:58] | wagnerrp: | the ivtv cards (pvr-150/250/350/500) are the only encoder cards i know of off hand |
| [08:04:22] | wagnerrp: | all the others are external boxes |
| [08:04:53] | sphex_: | oh ok.. would you recommend an external box? |
| [08:05:19] | wagnerrp: | i would recommend one of those ivtv cards if you can find one |
| [08:05:46] | wagnerrp: | if you cant find one retail, theyre always available on ebay |
| [08:06:47] | sphex_: | ebay?! but it'll take daaaaaaaaaayyysss before it arrives :/ |
| [08:11:38] | Supaplex: | just think of all the pr0n ^H^H^H^H^H educational tv you will miss. |
| [08:22:33] | tank-man: | if youre looking for a pvr150 card, ncix.com in canada has them |
| [08:23:25] | tank-man: | $40 cad http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=36 . . . promoid=1001 |
| [08:24:21] | tank-man: | im hooked on "dr who " :) |
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| [08:32:13] | sphex_: | tank-man: ok, great! |
| [08:32:17] | sphex_: | thanks |
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| [08:32:32] | AlmightyOatmeal: | is a recording status of -1 high priority in the schedules, or..? |
| [08:34:57] | rooaus: | A schedule priority of -1 has a lower priority than a schedule of 1, if there is a conflict the schedule of priority 1 wins. |
| [08:35:49] | AlmightyOatmeal: | oh, shit.. |
| [08:36:00] | AlmightyOatmeal: | ironic how it's completely opposite of the nice levels |
| [08:38:11] | wagnerrp: | ironic how the nice levels are opposite of common sense |
| [08:39:24] | AlmightyOatmeal: | it makes perfect sence imho |
| [08:41:22] | dannz: | is there something special one has to do to get changes in channel editor to show up? i have changed the names of my channels, but when i go to watch tv they still lshow as unknown |
| [08:41:47] | Supaplex: | This is the only post I see about the hava media player, http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /199353.html but supposedly the device runs linux. Are there any alternative ways to utilize it? |
| [08:41:55] | wagnerrp: | it may make sense from a design standpoint (not the +/- switch), but common sense would put the highest priority at 1 or the highest number |
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| [08:42:57] | wagnerrp: | Supaplex: i was considering buying one of those last week when it was on woot |
| [08:43:14] | wagnerrp: | contrary to its name, the device does not actually output HD |
| [08:44:40] | Supaplex: | I wooted one actually. :) 720p isn't all that bad. |
| [08:45:03] | wagnerrp: | from what i read, it would accept HD component, but would only output at 480p |
| [08:46:39] | wagnerrp: | and claiming '30Mbps full D1 MPEG-2' make absolutely no sense |
| [08:46:59] | wagnerrp: | D1 is just DVD resolution, 720x576/480 |
| [08:47:11] | wagnerrp: | and DVDs manage that at a meager 4–8Mbps |
| [08:47:27] | wagnerrp: | why bother consuming 30Mbps |
| [08:47:29] | Supaplex: | hah nice. |
| [08:48:04] | wagnerrp: | since you physically have one, can you confirm this suspicion? |
| [08:48:18] | wagnerrp: | you say 720p isnt bad, but is it actually streaming 720p? |
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| [08:48:58] | Supaplex: | let me check |
| [08:53:47] | Supaplex: | looks like 720x480 MPEG-2 video w/mpeg-1 layer 2 audio |
| [08:54:04] | Supaplex: | the frame rate keeps changing too. |
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| [08:54:24] | wagnerrp: | so its of no more use than an IVTV card |
| [08:54:55] | wagnerrp: | except it can record from the rare device that outputs component, but not svideo |
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| [08:55:39] | Supaplex: | I have inputs for svideo, rgb components, and composite (yellow plug) |
| [08:56:04] | wagnerrp: | no tuner? |
| [08:56:09] | Supaplex: | none |
| [08:56:28] | Supaplex: | it has an IR blaster, and two usb ports |
| [08:56:37] | wagnerrp: | for hard drives and network |
| [08:56:38] | Supaplex: | network jack, and outputs. |
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| [09:17:34] | DarK``_: | hi all, I just built a mythtv box. I added some channels, linked them to my tuner card, tried recording something using the tvguide but mythbackend.log gives me this message: |
| [09:17:37] | DarK``_: | 2009-04–25 11:15:12.121 SampleRate: Attempted to add a rate 32000 Hz, which is not in the list of allowed rates. |
| [09:17:40] | DarK``_: | [mpeg4 @ 0x7f250cf9ae90]2009-04–25 11:15:12.192 AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 2.0 GB w/freq: 15 min |
| [09:17:43] | DarK``_: | removing common factors from framerate |
| [09:17:56] | DarK``_: | anyone know what's wrong and how to fix it? Thanks in advance |
| [09:23:51] | DarK``_: | then it says: 2009-04–25 11:15:12.207 NVR(/dev/video0): Won't work with the streaming interfac |
| [09:23:55] | DarK``_: | strange error flushing buffer ... |
| [09:24:01] | DarK``_: | and my record .nuv-file is only 1kb in size |
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| [09:39:18] | DarK``_: | never mind, found it! I forgot to tell mythtv my PVR-150 was an MPEG encoder card. It works fine now :) |
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| [11:03:03] | noclue: | mythtv crashes when trying to run mythtv-setup. http://pastebin.ca/1402731. any ideas? |
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| [11:12:01] | pat_: | does anybody know if there is a project to make local tuners appear as a hdhomerun or similar (ie network tuner) consequently enabling mythtv to be installed in a virtual machine? |
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| [11:39:04] | pac1: | lirc --- so close, and yet... |
| [11:42:11] | pac1: | I'm doing the lirc configure rain dance and am about 1 step away from getting it working. I've got the hauppage pvr150 receiving the keys from the remote. they can be seen in irw. ch+ ch- etc... Jared's lircrc is in ~mythtv/.mythtv. but the log says myth is looking for ~.lircrc. Why there and not ~mythtv? |
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| [11:46:26] | pac1: | Answered my own: because its supposed to be mythtv/.mythtv/.lircrc, not mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [11:49:01] | pac1: | what are the repeat = 3 items in jared's config for? |
| [11:51:03] | pac1: | and why the mapping between Vol + and – to Left and Right? |
| [11:57:18] | pac1: | looks like I'll have to do my own mapping. |
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| [12:10:47] | Befriend28: | Hi all can somebody tell me why I keep getting this error here "AudioOutput Error: Rate doesn't match (requested 44100Hz, got 48000Hz)" when I try to watch live TV |
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| [12:11:19] | Befriend28: | When I set it to 44100 all the places I can? |
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| [12:20:55] | DarK``_: | hi all, when trying to add a new file extention (.rar) I cannot enter any command to assiociate it with. Where is the command-box? It used to be there in previous versions ? |
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| [12:35:51] | superdump: | does Daniel Kristjansson hang around here? does anyone know what his nick is? |
| [12:47:01] | superdump: | ah |
| [12:47:03] | superdump: | danielk |
| [12:47:17] | superdump: | i wanted to see what was necessary to get mythtv working in ubuntu jaunty |
| [12:47:33] | superdump: | at least, that's his track nick |
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| [12:55:22] | GreyFoxx: | I've never seen him come to -users |
| [12:56:32] | superdump: | so i see |
| [12:56:41] | superdump: | well, i shan't bother him yet |
| [12:56:48] | superdump: | i have a few more things to try |
| [12:58:54] | pac1: | superdump, jaunty should set up just like intrepid. |
| [12:59:36] | superdump: | i was having the problem that mythtv refused to start because of pulseaudio running |
| [12:59:45] | superdump: | but it seems i missed that libpulse-dev wasn't installed previously |
| [13:01:03] | pac1: | changeset 20310 |
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| [13:01:57] | pac1: | superdump, so you had to remove pulseaudio-dev? |
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| [13:03:01] | superdump: | i've been following that thread |
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| [13:03:46] | superdump: | it seemed to suggest that either one could remove/disable pulseaudio and run mythtv using alsa, or one could compile mythtv with pulseaudio support, configure it to use it and use pulseaudio |
| [13:03:53] | superdump: | although this may present issues |
| [13:04:06] | superdump: | i'd like to see if it does first as pulseaudio is working well for me otherwise |
| [13:05:31] | superdump: | maybe i misinterpreted |
| [13:06:43] | superdump: | as i still see this: |
| [13:06:44] | superdump: | http://pastebin.com/m4f99ed0a |
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| [13:07:48] | superdump: | hmm |
| [13:08:40] | superdump: | there was also discussion of something daniel was working on that allowed mythtv to prevent pulse from intercepting the ALSA calls so that mythtv could just run using ALSA |
| [13:09:01] | superdump: | at the moment, i'm just setting up mythtv for the first time on this new box |
| [13:09:25] | superdump: | but i need to use trunk because i'm going to be doing some dev work and my distribution of choice is ubuntu |
| [13:09:31] | superdump: | so i'd like to get it working |
| [13:09:34] | pac1: | ah and pulseaudio is the default in ubuntu? |
| [13:09:38] | superdump: | yup |
| [13:09:58] | pac1: | was it in intrepid? |
| [13:10:02] | superdump: | i'm happy either way as long as it works |
| [13:10:21] | superdump: | i'm not sure, it wasn't always clear to which version he was referring |
| [13:10:33] | superdump: | the released version during the discussion was intrepid so i expect that |
| [13:10:37] | pac1: | I just did an upgrade from intrepid to Jaunty and frontend still starts. |
| [13:10:56] | superdump: | did you disable pulseaudio? are you using current trunk? |
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| [13:12:18] | pac1: | Not sure actually. I didn't deliberately update Myth, just the usual update. Looking... |
| [13:14:57] | pac1: | I've got a mixture of 0.21–0ubuntu1 and ubuntu2 packages installed. Not looking at the tree. |
| [13:15:11] | superdump: | ah |
| [13:15:20] | superdump: | i've installed from source, not from ubuntu packages |
| [13:17:18] | pac1: | did you see daniel's post from Apr 22? |
| [13:18:37] | pac1: | Hey, gotta go. Annie reminds me its a nice day outside for the first time in months. |
| [13:20:01] | superdump: | :) |
| [13:20:04] | superdump: | have fun |
| [13:20:29] | superdump: | i see two posts from him on the 22nd |
| [13:20:33] | superdump: | and i've read both |
| [13:21:00] | superdump: | they weren't relating to pulseaudio though |
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| [14:04:58] | Befriend28: | Dagmar So I installed Mythbuntu, and I get the same error as with MythDora when I try to watch TV. It keeps saying the same buffer over flow please see http://pastebin.com/d2d01e0d4 |
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| [14:16:03] | Befriend28: | Is there anyone in here there are having problems with SBlive 1024 sound card and MythBuntu. I keep getting buffer overflow when I try to watch TV please see this logging http://pastebin.com/d2d01e0d4 |
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| [14:39:32] | superdump: | well, that's quite annoying... running mythtvfrontend completely messes up pulseaudio |
| [14:39:35] | superdump: | no sound now |
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| [15:21:34] | gbee: | it did |
| [15:22:05] | gbee: | err, replying to something written 3 hours ago :/ |
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| [15:34:25] | ** lyricnz wishes rpmfusion would update their myth builds a bit more often.... ** | |
| [15:40:07] | wagnerrp: | wow... necrobump |
| [15:40:15] | wagnerrp: | some revived a 3 year old ticket |
| [15:50:50] | iamlindoro: | Wow, no response from JYA in 9 hours, maybe he's ignoring me, that would be nice! |
| [15:53:05] | iamlindoro: | Maybe I should respond to *all* of his threads calling him a useless no-talent ripoff artist |
| [15:53:43] | r3vile: | hi, normally i start lirc with : sudo lircd --nodaemon --device=/dev/input/event2 --driver=dev/input /etc/lirc/lircd.conf ... can i put this in autorun? how? |
| [15:54:13] | wagnerrp: | any decent distro should have an init script prebuilt for lirc |
| [15:54:27] | r3vile: | i use mythbuntu |
| [15:54:39] | r3vile: | and lirc is not started at the moment |
| [15:54:47] | wagnerrp: | im sure theres something somewhere in the mythbuntu menus to enable lirc |
| [15:55:29] | r3vile: | hm well i could enable a remote control.. maybe its an option there, but i dont use a supportet remote |
| [15:55:30] | wagnerrp: | try in #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [15:55:57] | r3vile: | i have tried it there a time ago ;) no answer till now |
| [15:56:34] | wagnerrp: | ubuntu and mythbuntu have their own way of handling program startup (every distro does), and your question can only be answered by someone who uses them |
| [15:56:43] | wagnerrp: | try #ubuntu then |
| [15:56:48] | wagnerrp: | im sure theres a flood of users in there |
| [15:57:17] | r3vile: | ok |
| [15:57:22] | wagnerrp: | for instance, on my systems, i would do 'rc-update add lircd default' |
| [15:57:31] | wagnerrp: | on the suse systems at work, i would go into YAST |
| [15:58:20] | wagnerrp: | you could probably ask in #debian too, i imagine the two are still fairly similar |
| [15:58:26] | iamlindoro: | On ubuntu or debian, assuming you had a lirc init script and it was in the /etc/init.d directory, you would run "sudo update-rc.d lirc default" |
| [15:59:12] | iamlindoro: | So I'd steal the lirc init script from someone, modify it so that it runs your command line arguments, chmod it a+x, copy it there, and run that command |
| [15:59:41] | r3vile: | okidoki ;) |
| [15:59:51] | iamlindoro: | http://rafb.net/p/Tgmn5l14.html |
| [16:04:18] | r3vile: | thx, i will try if it works ;) |
| [16:04:26] | wagnerrp: | apparently someone on slashdot got axed after they use 44GB or traffic in a week |
| [16:04:48] | wagnerrp: | according to the TW rep he spoke to, thats 'more than most people use in a year' |
| [16:04:51] | wagnerrp: | i cant believe that |
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| [16:05:33] | gbee: | I can easily believe that's true |
| [16:06:13] | wagnerrp: | looking back through my logs, my lowest usage month since 2005 was ~8GB |
| [16:06:23] | iamlindoro: | TW is doomed, they appear determined to rid themselves of customers |
| [16:06:43] | gbee: | wagnerrp: you're hardly an average customer for any ISP |
| [16:07:08] | iamlindoro: | I don't download *anything* untoward and I regularly get toward 200 GB a month |
| [16:07:20] | wagnerrp: | so the average user hardly even uses their internet? |
| [16:07:38] | wagnerrp: | they dont go to the local news site, and have a video automatically start playing in the background? |
| [16:07:57] | wagnerrp: | they dont watch the occasional clip on youtube |
| [16:08:02] | wagnerrp: | or linked to them over email? |
| [16:08:48] | wagnerrp: | the average subscriber doesnt have multiple people in the home doing so? |
| [16:09:00] | gbee: | most people download the odd track, check their email, browse the web for a couple of hours a week – I'd hardly describe anyone using linux (therefore pulling down package upgrades) or in IRC as the average customer, I'd not be suprised if upwards of 30% used less than 20Gb a year |
| [16:09:12] | wagnerrp: | (i really have no idea what the average household size is over here) |
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| [16:12:25] | wagnerrp: | well lets look at package downloads... ive got about 10GB accumulated since the last time i flushed out that directory, which was maybe two years ago |
| [16:13:56] | gbee: | 44Gb/year is 860Mb/week ... think of that amount in terms of an hour or two (after work) of web browsing, email, maybe even instant messangers and a couple youtube videos per night ... you'd not even get close to that amount |
| [16:14:23] | iamlindoro: | I downloaded all my steam games to a new system last week, that was around 80 GB |
| [16:14:54] | iamlindoro: | I keep a webcam going from home whenever I'm at work, that's some non trivial number too |
| [16:15:09] | iamlindoro: | I'm thankful I have options when and if someone decides to bandwidth cap around here |
| [16:16:24] | wagnerrp: | now that i think about it, november 05 was crunch time for me |
| [16:16:26] | gbee: | most customers don't need the bandwidth of broadband, their level of usage would easily be satisfied by dial-up, but they get their webpages faster and the salesman said that they need broadband, so that's what they have |
| [16:16:45] | wagnerrp: | fall quarter exams, senior design project, trying to finish up some paper in time for a conference in january |
| [16:16:48] | wagnerrp: | i was hardly home |
| [16:17:07] | wagnerrp: | that 8GB of bandwidth was primarily my family's usage |
| [16:17:58] | wagnerrp: | apparently thats how much bandwidth gets used when im not personally using it |
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| [16:22:50] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Patch_myth.21-fixe . . . _Ubuntu_8.10 Odds of that page getting deleted? |
| [16:23:51] | wagnerrp: | clear it out and mark for deletion |
| [16:24:06] | wagnerrp: | see if someone with delete rights gets to it before a user |
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| [16:28:03] | iamlindoro: | Dumbasses manually editing their databases |
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| [16:31:28] | lyricnz: | Hmm, how smooth is the 0.21 to 0.22 upgrade likely to be? |
| [16:33:25] | iamlindoro: | As smooth as you let it be :) |
| [16:33:52] | iamlindoro: | If you have a standard .21 installation, then the upgrade should go fine. IF you've done anything exotic, you'll be on your own :) |
| [16:34:47] | iamlindoro: | .22 will feel familiar, but there will be lots of new things to get used to/learn |
| [16:35:30] | lyricnz: | oooh, sounds interesting :) |
| [16:37:28] | ** lyricnz reads release notes ** | |
| [16:37:35] | iamlindoro: | Those are painfully out of date |
| [16:37:47] | iamlindoro: | Haven't been properly updated in a year |
| [16:38:11] | ** lyricnz used to follow head pretty closely, but hasn't in maybe 9 months ** | |
| [16:38:39] | lyricnz: | Backend looks like it upgraded ok, and frontend there starts okay |
| [16:39:02] | lyricnz: | UI is a bit messed up – but maybe that's remote-x11 stuff |
| [16:39:28] | ** lyricnz wanders into the lounge to check on the real frontend ** | |
| [16:39:44] | iamlindoro: | If you're upgrading to trunk, it's up to you to know that the UI is under contruction |
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| [16:56:19] | lyricnz: | I just got whatever was in the latest rpmfusion rpm build – looks like r20448 |
| [16:56:30] | lyricnz: | Seems fine, btw – no big changes. Still a bit ugly ;) |
| [16:57:15] | lyricnz: | Oooh, my mythfilldatabase is about to kick off – that should be interesting |
| [16:58:09] | lyricnz: | wow, that's basically HEAD. hmm, maybe bad idea :) |
| [17:02:03] | iamlindoro: | .22 won't magically make old themes new you know, feel free to write one that take advantage of the new stuff |
| [17:03:19] | iamlindoro: | ie: http://robertmcnamara.smugmug.com/gallery/706 . . . 946775_9mrYU |
| [17:03:37] | iamlindoro: | or |
| [17:03:37] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Theme_Terra |
| [17:08:25] | iamlindoro: | "no big changes" is also silly, since Myth has more or less been torn apart and rewritten for Qt4 and MythUI since .21 |
| [17:08:46] | lyricnz: | No big changes _to the user_. |
| [17:08:57] | lyricnz: | Yes, I understand mythui stuff has changed |
| [17:08:59] | iamlindoro: | You haven't been using it long enough to know that |
| [17:09:11] | iamlindoro: | try scanning your video collection, or doing a channel scan |
| [17:09:20] | lyricnz: | will do |
| [17:09:57] | iamlindoro: | Or reading the dozens of new options in context menus... |
| [17:10:05] | Hoxzer is now known as Dassu | |
| [17:10:05] | iamlindoro: | Or the OSD menu editor... |
| [17:10:10] | lyricnz: | I tried Theme Terra – seemed to have lots of broken images, suspect it relies on something being done at record-time, which hasn't been |
| [17:10:22] | lyricnz: | BUt looked like a nice start |
| [17:10:33] | lyricnz: | maybe some settings need to be tweaked etc, with my setup |
| [17:13:39] | wagnerrp: | Terra has a number of missing pages, ones that just havent been themed yet |
| [17:13:45] | wagnerrp: | but ive not encountered 'broken images' |
| [17:20:13] | gbee: | few missing watermarks, and the list pages are broken |
| [17:21:03] | gbee: | but the missing watermarks at least display "Image not available" or something and will be fixed just as soon as I find suitable images for those menu s |
| [17:21:08] | iamlindoro: | ARGH |
| [17:21:16] | iamlindoro: | So JYA's packages now include HD-PVR support |
| [17:21:20] | iamlindoro: | broken DB and all |
| [17:23:15] | wagnerrp: | what means 'upconvert to AC3'? |
| [17:23:32] | iamlindoro: | It's like a backport, but up! And with AC-3! |
| [17:23:33] | wagnerrp: | you upconvert to more channels, you transcode to AC3 |
| [17:23:49] | wagnerrp: | and isnt ALSA supposed to be handling all that? |
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| [18:35:26] | i_is_cat: | so i added a movie to tmdb yesterday took me like an hour to get all the cast and crew and stuff entered now i check it out today and its mangled.. more than half the people i added are missing and character names are wrong etc. |
| [18:35:28] | i_is_cat: | wtf? |
| [18:35:54] | iamlindoro: | Did someone edit it after you? |
| [18:35:56] | iamlindoro: | What film? |
| [18:36:09] | iamlindoro: | It's a wiki, anyone can edit |
| [18:36:21] | i_is_cat: | im logging in to check |
| [18:36:25] | i_is_cat: | thats just weird |
| [18:36:28] | i_is_cat: | its Alice's Restaurant |
| [18:37:14] | iamlindoro: | You seem to have added a dupe |
| [18:37:16] | iamlindoro: | http://www.themoviedb.org/movie/5638 |
| [18:37:19] | iamlindoro: | That movie has been there for ages |
| [18:37:31] | iamlindoro: | 5638 is about 15000 movies ago |
| [18:37:45] | i_is_cat: | then why doesnt it show up in the tmdb thing when i try to add the movie? :S |
| [18:37:54] | iamlindoro: | because nobody has set the imdb # on it |
| [18:37:55] | i_is_cat: | even when i use the specific number... |
| [18:38:30] | iamlindoro: | The *films record* at TMDB doesn't have the IMDb added |
| [18:38:34] | iamlindoro: | There, I added it for you |
| [18:38:41] | i_is_cat: | that was quite a bit of time wasted for a dupe, theres got to be some sort of better way to add the info on that website.. |
| [18:38:43] | iamlindoro: | the API takes four hours to time out, you shoudl be able to find it them |
| [18:38:49] | i_is_cat: | thanks iamlindoro |
| [18:38:53] | iamlindoro: | er tehn |
| [18:38:55] | iamlindoro: | then |
| [18:39:12] | iamlindoro: | Yes, search first, before adding :) |
| [18:39:34] | i_is_cat: | well i guess i will next time i just assumed which we all know is not the smartest thing to do sometimes.. |
| [18:40:24] | iamlindoro: | FWIW this is why I'm pushing to have the TMDB script search by TMDB # |
| [18:40:36] | i_is_cat: | but still.. its super annoying to type in someones name and have to wait like 30 seconds for it to try to find the person in its db just to click "pete seeger artist musician" type of thing.. |
| [18:40:44] | iamlindoro: | As it's silly to not return results on huge numbers of films because someone didn't add one piece of info |
| [18:41:05] | i_is_cat: | ya i agree |
| [18:41:33] | i_is_cat: | ok apparently it doesnt like my password anymore.... |
| [18:42:13] | ** i_is_cat has a sneaking suspicion it may be opera causing the login failure... ** | |
| [18:44:18] | i_is_cat: | hmm nope thats weird it just wont accept it.. |
| [18:46:22] | iamlindoro: | There, I even created fanart for it for you ;) |
| [18:46:32] | iamlindoro: | And uploaded a new cover file |
| [18:47:03] | iamlindoro: | So once you're using a version of myth that supports fanart, you'll can get a snazzy backdrop for it |
| [18:47:36] | i_is_cat: | so can i delete the one i added or will you do that? |
| [18:47:55] | i_is_cat: | even tho mine is more accurate and has all the cast and crew |
| [18:48:08] | wagnerrp: | you can merge the data, and put the duplicate entry up for deletion |
| [18:48:08] | i_is_cat: | and doesnt show two actors who apparently play the same character.. |
| [18:48:21] | wagnerrp: | they usually whipe them every day or two |
| [18:48:42] | i_is_cat: | i like that fan art pic iamlindoro looks cool |
| [18:48:53] | iamlindoro: | I only added the images to the one that showed up in the search, I find no trace of yours, it's likely someone saw it was a dupe and deleted it |
| [18:49:08] | i_is_cat: | i found it |
| [18:49:36] | wagnerrp: | ive heard the song... never watched the movie |
| [18:49:46] | i_is_cat: | ok well it was there like literally one min ago now its not.. |
| [18:49:55] | wagnerrp: | i never even knew the movie existed until i saw it on the schedule on THIS-TV a couple weeks ago |
| [18:50:18] | i_is_cat: | the alice's restaurant movie? |
| [18:50:20] | i_is_cat: | that movie is awesome |
| [18:50:46] | i_is_cat: | ah its still there.. its cuz i searched without the ' |
| [18:50:50] | i_is_cat: | http://www.themoviedb.org/movie/17253 |
| [18:50:53] | i_is_cat: | thats the one i made |
| [18:51:06] | iamlindoro: | You should edit the older one with your info |
| [18:51:16] | iamlindoro: | as the newer one will eventually end up deleted |
| [18:51:32] | i_is_cat: | cant they be merged through some easy process as wagnerrp was saying? |
| [18:51:36] | iamlindoro: | Then go to the forum and request deletion of the newer |
| [18:51:39] | iamlindoro: | no, the merge is manual |
| [18:51:44] | i_is_cat: | dang |
| [18:51:47] | wagnerrp: | you manually merge |
| [18:51:50] | iamlindoro: | as is the request for deletion |
| [18:51:56] | wagnerrp: | there are a couple open threads for requestion deletion |
| [18:52:00] | wagnerrp: | just pick the most recent |
| [18:54:20] | wagnerrp: | so i just whiped my channels, and rescanned with the new scanner |
| [18:54:34] | wagnerrp: | apparently i have two NBCs, channels 27 and 94 |
| [18:54:51] | i_is_cat: | i have two channel 15's in my program guide |
| [18:54:56] | i_is_cat: | i dont know why.. |
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| [18:55:19] | wagnerrp: | are they actually the same content? or did they just both get named 15? |
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| [18:55:48] | i_is_cat: | no one is cbc or something and the other one is a dif chan but when i select either one it goes to cbc its like theres a ghost channel in the list.. |
| [18:56:12] | wagnerrp: | so renumber one of them |
| [18:57:03] | i_is_cat: | sorry not cbc, cbnew and ytv i think it says.. and it says 14 is kxly which should be 16.. and 16 is set as voice |
| [18:57:14] | i_is_cat: | wow i didnt know it was that bad i just thought i had two 15's lol |
| [18:57:50] | i_is_cat: | meh ill fix it all when i get this tmdb thing done it shouldnt be hard just annoying |
| [18:58:42] | i_is_cat: | i think it has something to do with me having the digital cable schedules direct listing and then changing it to regular cable because around the same time i got some weird db error and myth wouldnt open |
| [18:58:46] | iamlindoro: | The API is still being built, so it's too easy to create dupes right now |
| [18:58:59] | iamlindoro: | that'll change, but TMDB is still a baby-- tons of potential though |
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| [19:06:44] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: oh yes, going commerical, IPO, selling out to roxio. :P |
| [19:07:48] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap, Except the DB data is licensed such that were that to happen, one could take all the data and go elsewhere :) |
| [19:08:10] | iamlindoro: | And the API and site are open source to, so it would literally be a matter of moving and setting up elsewhere :) |
| [19:08:14] | iamlindoro: | er too |
| [19:08:48] | wagnerrp: | you would lose the data wouldnt you? |
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| [19:09:11] | wagnerrp: | of course i suppose the idea is that everything on there is in use by some user somewhere, and can be re-uploaded elsewhere |
| [19:09:45] | ** styelz hugs mythtv. my best g/f ever. ** | |
| [19:10:10] | wagnerrp: | well thats a disturbing thought |
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| [19:12:04] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: best to start a mirror ahead of time then I guess. |
| [19:12:43] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Data is CC and freely available as an archive |
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| [19:25:32] | i_is_cat: | phew ok that takes care of the crew.. now 50 million cast to add... |
| [19:26:18] | iamlindoro: | Heh, I applaud your thoroughness, I usually just put in the primary cast |
| [19:27:26] | i_is_cat: | i think they all deserve credit... and if this site is going to overshadow imdb at any point i think it would be nice if the people who had a hand in the movie were able to see themselves credited for it *shrug* its a pain but i'd appreciate if someone did it for me |
| [19:28:33] | iamlindoro: | The best way to get it to that point will be to make it a "destination site" used by enough programs that the studios start adding their own movies (as they do at IMDB) |
| [19:30:08] | i_is_cat: | ya that would be nice.. it would certainly help out a lot |
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| [19:30:54] | i_is_cat: | i still think theres a better way to add cast and crew though, like if those popup things have to be the way cant there be a + button to add several people all at the same time instead of one by one? :S |
| [19:32:32] | iamlindoro: | Travis accepts feature requests and suggestions quite cheerfully, you could mention it in the forums |
| [19:33:02] | i_is_cat: | hmm that might be a good idea |
| [19:33:50] | i_is_cat: | ive been doing this for 40min so far lol and only halfway through the cast atm |
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| [19:40:15] | i_is_cat: | hey the guy who owns it is from cowtown? :O |
| [19:40:21] | i_is_cat: | that is close to where i am |
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| [19:45:33] | gbee: | believe he prefers feature requests to their bug tracker, link appears at the bottom of most pages |
| [19:46:36] | i_is_cat: | ok wooooo im done! all cast and crew have been added to the original listing |
| [19:47:18] | i_is_cat: | and all have correct titles/character names aside from Diane Katz Production Intern because production intern is the closest thing to production secretary i could find in the list.. |
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| [19:50:55] | i_is_cat: | does the forum have a separate username and pass than the main site? :S |
| [20:01:08] | wagnerrp: | the limit to my 'cast and crew' is whatever shows up on the DVD sleeve |
| [20:04:58] | iamlindoro: | Attribution appears to be broken on the site today |
| [20:05:13] | iamlindoro: | It's only associating with IP address, even if you're logged in |
| [20:05:55] | i_is_cat: | ya i noticed that heh.. |
| [20:07:31] | i_is_cat: | so i did a few searches for some tv shows i dont see any info is tmdb strictly movies only? |
| [20:08:17] | iamlindoro: | Yes, the corresponding TV site is TheTVDB.com |
| [20:08:34] | iamlindoro: | For which .22 will also have a grabber and support |
| [20:08:41] | i_is_cat: | okie doke |
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| [20:23:04] | i_is_cat: | hmmmmmm looks like theres another one i need to add.. |
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| [20:23:23] | neb_: | hai! |
| [20:23:47] | neb_: | Is it possible for me to watch a video with subtiles in an xml format? |
| [20:24:32] | iamlindoro: | The only support for external subtitles is .srt |
| [20:24:47] | neb_: | ah k |
| [20:24:59] | wagnerrp: | what uses external xml subtitles? |
| [20:25:58] | neb_: | well, going to give VLC a try in a min as that apparently supports USF |
| [20:26:42] | iamlindoro: | No known media player software implements more than basic support for this format. VSFilter, and VLC media player (starting with the 0.9.0 release) can extract the subtitle text, timing information and very restricted formatting." |
| [20:26:49] | iamlindoro: | heh, doesn't sound like a very good format |
| [20:27:02] | wagnerrp: | about as universal as UPNP |
| [20:27:05] | laga: | doesnt sound like a well supported format |
| [20:27:33] | neb_: | Yeah, was thinking about writing a parser/converter |
| [20:27:35] | gbee: | but not difficult for some aspiring developer to work on |
| [20:28:06] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, If you have a moment, Don't know if the "None" value returned by your grabber is set by you or by TVDB, but it would be a lot better for myth if it returned "Unknown" |
| [20:28:08] | wagnerrp: | im sure QT has extensive XML support |
| [20:28:18] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, note, that's for Director |
| [20:28:30] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt take much work to write a little parser in place of the existing one |
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| [20:29:05] | wagnerrp: | so another dumb bastard got hit with international roaming charges |
| [20:29:15] | neb_: | Not sure if it'd be easier to convert to srt format or to try and implement USF ;p |
| [20:29:18] | wagnerrp: | $62k for a copy of WALL-E in mexico |
| [20:31:26] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: I will look into it. It may be me converting a None value into a string when returned by tvdb_api. I will get back to you by tomorrow, Would it be better to return no key value at (leave any None value out) or do you want "Unknown"? |
| [20:31:34] | i_is_cat: | wow.. 11 directors for this stupid movie.. lol |
| [20:31:48] | wagnerrp: | what would that be? |
| [20:32:13] | i_is_cat: | billy and mandy's big boogey adventure |
| [20:32:38] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, Return "Unknown" (without quotes, with a capital U), as that's equivalent to Myth's default value to Director, and it will leave it eligible to be grabbed later. putting "None" in is wrong (as tehre was a director, he's just unknown) and makes it so it'll never try to get Director again |
| [20:33:22] | RDV_Linux: | OK will see what's up tomorrow. Working on something else right now. |
| [20:33:37] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, The patch to the grabbing code check against the default values, so once it becomes "None," MythVideo figures that's the director's name and won't make another effort to get that info, make sense? |
| [20:33:48] | iamlindoro: | Sounds good |
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| [20:47:35] | iamlindoro: | Heh, now I edited Isabella Rossellini once and TMDB thinks I created her |
| [20:48:02] | wagnerrp: | been watching green porno? |
| [20:48:53] | iamlindoro: | Hmnm... I actually remember *how* I ended up there |
| [20:49:00] | iamlindoro: | er can't actually |
| [20:51:49] | wagnerrp: | ah... there was something on The Soup about a series of shorts shes doing on Sundance, called green porno |
| [20:52:04] | wagnerrp: | the clip they showed was one about the whale penis, and getting raped by a bear |
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| [20:54:53] | iamlindoro: | Well there's something this channel doesn't hear about every day |
| [20:55:36] | wagnerrp: | it was prefaced by 'bring the whole family, because were going to get a number of awkward issues all out at once' |
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| [21:09:58] | wagnerrp: | seems Red of HD camera fame is demoing a new video compression, along with a hardware player for it |
| [21:10:40] | wagnerrp: | theyre claiming 700:1 compression ratios |
| [21:11:00] | wagnerrp: | with no noticeable loss of quality |
| [21:13:39] | i_is_cat: | :S there isnt anything on tmdb even close to: machine room operator :S |
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| [21:18:31] | i_is_cat: | and no recording studio manager :S pleh |
| [21:18:31] | flakeparadigm: | I'm thinking about making some kind of HTPC (i'm thinking about going with LinuxMCE) and I need to know some stuff about TV turners/capture cards. Can anyone help me? |
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| [21:18:41] | i_is_cat: | screw linuxmce |
| [21:18:51] | i_is_cat: | you'll get so pissed off so fast |
| [21:19:02] | wagnerrp: | linuxmce exists for people who want to homebrew a smarthouse |
| [21:19:22] | i_is_cat: | linuxmce is crap the orbiter thing takes over everything |
| [21:19:22] | wagnerrp: | its 'PVR' capability is just an old forked version of mythtv |
| [21:19:42] | i_is_cat: | you try to make a change to config files and it rewrites everything the way it 'thinks' things should be |
| [21:19:54] | flakeparadigm: | I don't care what you have to say about linuxmce, I just want to know about tv tuners/capture cards |
| [21:20:11] | i_is_cat: | try google |
| [21:20:24] | flakeparadigm: | forget it |
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| [21:20:40] | iamlindoro: | What a dumbass |
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| [21:20:57] | iamlindoro: | Let me come to channel a, and ask about software b and hardware c |
| [21:21:19] | wagnerrp: | not to mention he obviously didnt read the rules |
| [21:21:21] | i_is_cat: | lol ya.. that was slightly annoying |
| [21:23:13] | i_is_cat: | linuxmce is what got me interested in the whole pvr thing but my god does it ever suck balls |
| [21:23:49] | wagnerrp: | the name is somewhat of a misnomer |
| [21:23:53] | iamlindoro: | You should have seen it *before* a Myth dev helped them get Schedules Direct working |
| [21:23:58] | wagnerrp: | linuxmce tries to do far more than a simple media center |
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| [21:24:59] | i_is_cat: | i read the creators little article thing about "why" he made it and his reasoning is good enough.. it also explains why it sucks so bad, but still.. the video they have been touting for so long makes it look far better than it is |
| [21:25:44] | i_is_cat: | oh come on! tmdb has no results under jobs for "puppet" ?!?! |
| [21:26:01] | i_is_cat: | what about puppeteer and puppet designer etc.. *sigh* |
| [21:26:23] | i_is_cat: | i guess all it means is i get to leave out 6 crew members.. |
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| [21:37:14] | wagnerrp: | seems asus is going the other direction with the Atoms |
| [21:37:37] | wagnerrp: | their new EeeBox will have a 330, and a Radeon 4530 |
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| [21:38:25] | AndyCap: | asus thinks they can slap eee on anything and it will be gold |
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| [21:38:39] | i_is_cat: | i likes their motherboards |
| [21:39:06] | ** i_is_cat cradles his m2npv-vm it might not be new anymore but it sure has treated me well ** | |
| [21:40:10] | wagnerrp: | now heres what i dont understand... it lists suggested maximum video bitrates |
| [21:40:29] | wagnerrp: | 45Mbps for mpeg2, 15mbps for h264, and 25mbps for vc-1 |
| [21:40:54] | wagnerrp: | now those are beyond what the atom is capable of in software, even the dual core 330 |
| [21:41:10] | wagnerrp: | but why would ati cripple their chip like that? |
| [21:43:19] | iamlindoro: | Heh, I am cleaning up the house, and I have found, I kid you not, *7* MCE remotes |
| [21:44:08] | i_is_cat: | oooooooh mail one to me iamlindoro preferable with a receiver ;) |
| [21:44:41] | iamlindoro: | I'm not made of international shipping! |
| [21:44:50] | i_is_cat: | lol dang |
| [21:45:41] | wagnerrp: | they just keep coming with tuner cards? |
| [21:46:02] | iamlindoro: | yeah... multiple i2c recievers and remotes too |
| [21:46:02] | i_is_cat: | so they have 'supervising art director' but not 'supervising director' thats just odd |
| [21:46:20] | i_is_cat: | my stupid imon receiver apparently only works with the imon remote and not the other remotes i have |
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| [21:47:37] | wagnerrp: | any idea if one of these WD 5400/7200RPM drives would cause problems in a RAID? |
| [21:48:21] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, I have a dozen in RAID, no issues here |
| [21:48:35] | iamlindoro: | and another few dozen in RAIDs at work |
| [21:48:36] | wagnerrp: | i mean in combination with drives that are 7200 only |
| [21:49:01] | iamlindoro: | yeah, they're in with some 7200 Seagates |
| [21:49:50] | wagnerrp: | sounds good... so another 3 days shipping, and half a day rebuilding |
| [21:51:06] | wagnerrp: | now i need to remember what all else it was i needed to buy |
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| [21:54:52] | iamlindoro: | I have to expand my array and this weekend is a good time, just too busy with other junk |
| [21:56:38] | wagnerrp: | hard drive, flash card... what else... |
| [21:56:48] | wagnerrp: | i know there was one other thing |
| [21:57:09] | i_is_cat: | a cowon d2 |
| [21:57:33] | i_is_cat: | thats what you need |
| [21:57:36] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea what that is |
| [21:57:44] | i_is_cat: | lol a pmp |
| [21:59:15] | i_is_cat: | speaking of which.. is there any possibility of an ipod mythtv frontend? i dont even know if it supports streaming media (i dislike apple) but if i could get a frontend on it :O i'd go buy one.. |
| [21:59:31] | wagnerrp: | there is some form of frontend already |
| [21:59:41] | wagnerrp: | for the Touch anyway |
| [21:59:43] | i_is_cat: | neat |
| [21:59:53] | i_is_cat: | my uncle has one i should go over to his place and tinker with it |
| [22:03:46] | wagnerrp: | oh! i wanted a new secondary card for my desktop |
| [22:04:09] | wagnerrp: | having a 9800 and a 6800 in the same machine is causing some driver issues |
| [22:04:28] | i_is_cat: | ill take that 6800 off your hands ;) |
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| [22:06:04] | wagnerrp: | and the silent asus with the massive heatsink is back in stock |
| [22:06:18] | wagnerrp: | how fortuitous |
| [22:06:40] | i_is_cat: | ya i had to buy a separate hsf.. but im happy with it |
| [22:06:52] | wagnerrp: | what for? |
| [22:07:09] | wagnerrp: | mine doesnt get much above 70C under load |
| [22:07:31] | i_is_cat: | mine doesnt get above 60C under full load |
| [22:07:42] | wagnerrp: | so what did you need the fan for? |
| [22:08:01] | i_is_cat: | but the reason i bought it initially was because my cpu temps were reading weird and i figured a better hsf would fix it |
| [22:08:25] | wagnerrp: | those things are designed to run hot |
| [22:09:41] | i_is_cat: | ya i know, but i was getting readings something like 58C on one core and 38C on the other which i figured was kind of bogus and rather than just reseat the stock hsf i had the cash so i bought a zalman |
| [22:10:16] | wagnerrp: | how does that have anything to do with the graphics card? |
| [22:10:40] | johnb003: | Can mythtv interface with power management and put the computer to sleep when no shows are scheduled for recording and you're not watching anything? |
| [22:10:49] | johnb003: | and actually wake itself to record a show? |
| [22:10:54] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [22:11:09] | i_is_cat: | lol i was talking about my cpu hsf, as far as my graphics goes im using the onboard on this mobo and i read that the southbridge gets super hot even when its not under load |
| [22:11:12] | i_is_cat: | i touched it and it burnt me |
| [22:11:37] | i_is_cat: | so i went out and got some strange heatsink for it and havent had any issues with the heat |
| [22:12:00] | wagnerrp: | i thought you meant you had the video card i was looking at |
| [22:12:03] | i_is_cat: | i also checked the specs and even tho it burnt me it was well within the specs for temp, i just didnt like the thought of it being so hot |
| [22:12:19] | i_is_cat: | no i wish i had a video card haha |
| [22:12:24] | i_is_cat: | im poor i cant afford jack |
| [22:13:10] | i_is_cat: | and when i had money instead of the video card i bought things like more ram, the thermaltake medialab, my tv tuner etc... |
| [22:13:45] | wagnerrp: | ive never been impressed by thermaltake |
| [22:14:08] | i_is_cat: | im not too impressed with it either |
| [22:14:30] | i_is_cat: | i love the vfd, but the remote is cheap and the fact that the ir receiver in it will only work with the remote it came with pisses me off |
| [22:15:23] | i_is_cat: | i mean.. the remote at first looked nice, lots of buttons etc. then i was using it and notices the silver on the front was bubbling... they just put a sticker on the remote to identify the buttons and the sticker wasnt positioned properly |
| [22:15:55] | i_is_cat: | i went to thermaltakes website, they have a fairly decent resolution picture of their medialab, and sure enough even the remote in the picture has a bubble where mine has its bubble |
| [22:16:32] | wagnerrp: | well at least their manufacturing process is reliable |
| [22:16:42] | i_is_cat: | i know a bubble in a sticker isnt the biggest concern but i paid $110 for the damn thing.. i sort of expected quality |
| [22:18:18] | i_is_cat: | and it took me forever trying to configure these other remotes i have to work with lirc had to go to my uncles and use his mceusb and all just to find out the thermaltake decodes the ir signal in its hardware so any other remote i want to use is impossible |
| [22:18:25] | i_is_cat: | that really irks me |
| [22:18:36] | wagnerrp: | it acts like a keyboard? |
| [22:19:29] | i_is_cat: | there is a button on it to switch from keyboard to mouse input.. but as far as i know it works like a normal ir device for the most part.. |
| [22:20:29] | i_is_cat: | the pad on the remote sucks balls.. it took me forever to get it running with lirc then lirc put out a newer version which broke my pad compatibility so i just dont even use it anymore.. not that it was any good to begin with |
| [22:20:51] | i_is_cat: | push left and it goes left then down or left then up, etc. |
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| [22:22:39] | i_is_cat: | i have a gigabyte tuner that has an ir receier on it and cant find anything for info anywhere about it.. the card is an saa7134 that works with card=81 so i tried to configure lirc to use the card=81 receiver thats listed and it does nothing but fail.. found some info about using devinput or something like that but it doesnt work at all.. |
| [22:23:22] | i_is_cat: | and it really sucks because the remote that came with the gigabyte tuner is like 1/8th the size of the thermaltake/imon remote |
| [22:28:33] | johnb003: | Can mythtv interface with power management and put the computer to sleep when no shows are scheduled for recording and you're not watching anything and actually wake itself to record a show? (not sure if you were talking to me wagnerrp) |
| [22:29:40] | iamlindoro: | Yes, he was talking to you |
| [22:29:47] | johnb003: | oh cool. |
| [22:30:47] | i_is_cat: | wow, finally finished billy and mandy's big boogey adventure on tmdb |
| [22:30:52] | i_is_cat: | that took forEVER |
| [22:31:38] | johnb003: | I know this is unrelated but the only other service I wanted to run is an apache server for svn, I wonder if it could wake the PC from an access attempt online? |
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| [22:33:35] | i_is_cat: | my god, it took me 2hrs to enter in the details for that movie |
| [22:33:42] | i_is_cat: | i dont think ill be adding any more for a while.. |
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