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Tuesday, April 21st, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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blackest:

works with tv-time

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iamlindoro:

Is it just me or is the bad guy from Knights of Bloodsteel literally an old prop from Star Trek DS9?

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Dagmar:

Only Chevy Chase could launch a massive evil spy network initiative with the phrase, "Can you dig it?"

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lfairchild:

who can tell a complete newb how to remove the time from the main menu?

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sphery:

lfairchild: what theme?

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lfairchild:

Iulius

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sphery:

go to /usr/{,local/}share/mythtv/themes/Iulius/base.xml and comment out (with  ) the <clock> element at the bottom

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Dagmar:

Electrical tape blends in well with most flat panels

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sphery:

lfairchild: then restart the frontend

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lfairchild:

Awesome. Thx. I'd been looking in the wrong xml files.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, So when will your theme be done?

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sphery:

still working on A_Theme_People_Would_Not_Pay_For-wide

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sphery:

can't get the videos of fire working properly...

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iamlindoro:

We're all working on that theme

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sphery:

yeah, we are, aren't we...

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sphery:

did you see who stepped in on #6481 (vdpau "thread" on Trac)?

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sphery:

very nice thing, it being locked

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iamlindoro:

yes, I saw

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sphery:

can't not respond to the f-m-u thread

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** sphery is sick and tired of reformatting e-mails that have been Googled up by G-mail **

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iamlindoro:

Some of us manage to get mails onto the list with gmail ;)

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sphery:

Yeah, it's G-mail's HTML garbage that breaks responding to them

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sphery:

then you set it to display plain text and--as evidenced by the mail source--no developer at Google has /ever/ taken a look at the text-formatted version of e-mail sent by their client

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iamlindoro:

Wonder if the "If" commercials on Sci Fi will become "Yf"

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sphery:

heh

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Dagmar:

I wonder if they'll notice when I call Comcast and downgrade to basic cable

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iamlindoro:

You mean "Y wonder yf they'll notyce when y call comcast and downgrade to basyc cable"

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Dagmar:

I can't really think of any good way of starting a loud protest against the stupidity

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Dagmar:

Perhaps if we start a movement for everyone to disable their spellcheckers, use no words longer than six letters, and to type all of our complaints in all-caps

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iamlindoro:

http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/03/sci-fi-channel . . . change-.html

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Dagmar:

Hmm... shades of Psycho

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sphery:

hey, I posted that link earlier today...

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sphery:

it's mine

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Dagmar:

Well, it's on memestremas.net now

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sphery:

(oh, note that when I say "it's mine" I don't mean any of the content of the page at the link :)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, so possessive...

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iamlindoro:

And I didn't see it before, which must mean it sucked earlier, but now it's topical and clever

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** iamlindoro wonders if sphery is conjuring up a novel **

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metalac:

anyone knows why the sound level from TV is much lower than music?

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metalac:

TV from PVR-150 and cable box is much lower level then when I play music or videos

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metalac:

i have to crank up my speakers up to 35 for tv, while for music 15 is perfectly acceptable

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sphery:

metalac: just the way it works...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ugh, I hate watching live... ;-) Recording 24, but watching it as it records, and up to real-time...

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metalac:

sphery: really?

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metalac:

J-e-f-f-A: well it's not just for live, both recorded and live are the same

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** J-e-f-f-A says "commercials suck!" ;-) **

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metalac:

videos that are not recorded with myth play fine though

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J-e-f-f-A:

metalac: Yeah, I know. ;-) I've been using myth for several years now, and know everything goes to disk first. ;-)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: not making a novel, fighting a broken distro (LiveCD on USB flash that won't run Firefox)... trying to install xmltv (but don't want it on my systems, so putting it on a "throwaway" system) so I can get the raw DD data so I can do measurements on the starttime+runtime versus starttime/endtime thing so I can tell all the bug criers to STFU

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iamlindoro:

I like angry sphery

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sphery:

metalac: generally that's the way it works

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iamlindoro:

we should see more of him

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metalac:

sphery: ok cool, just making sure my config is ok. I had it like this for over two years now, never bothered to check :)

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sphery:

metalac: if you're saying that recording, in GNU/Linux, with some program other than MythTV from the /same/ exact capture card produces recordings with acceptable volume, change the volume in your recording profiles

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** J-e-f-f-A waits for sphery to say something like "/me hits iamlindoro for no apparent reason..." ;-) **

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iamlindoro:

There's always a reason

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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metalac:

sphery: oh no i'm talking about random divx and dvd rips

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sphery:

if you're saying that random videos on the 'net have good volume, that's because they're not recorded from OTA (where the sound levels aren't compressed--i.e. OTA offers a more dynamic sound range than does the generic videos you'll find that other people make)

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sphery:

or they're recorded from OTA and then sound is post-processed and compressed

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sphery:

so, basically, until someone--feel free to do it yourself ;)--writes some volume normalization/gain support for Myth, you have to manually compensate

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iamlindoro:

Or just can the analog capture

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: I think the reason for my hitting him would be plenty apparent :)

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sphery:

that may work, too, as then you could output the AC-3/DTS from digital recordings to your receiver, which could have the AC-3/DTS settings adjusted to handle the volume differently from how it handles the 2-channel PCM volume

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** iamlindoro makes a note to be more worthy of such mistreatment in the future **

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sphery:

and/or actually take advantage of 5.1 speakers (meaning it wouldn't be so quiet with them all pumping out sound)

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sphery:

cpan doesn't work on this distro, and the package manager doesn't show xmltv, so I guess I have to add some other repo...

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sphery:

so, basically, the USB flash drive I decided would make for an easier-to-boot Ubuntu than the LiveCD keeps eating itself--it fills up the drive and then nothing works

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sphery:

I've needed to use it 5 times and I've needed to re-created it 10 times...

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sphery:

not seeing the payoff, here...

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sphery:

(and, yeah, it probably has something to do with my not knowing how to tell it, "Hey, you're not a real HDD, so don't write all kinds of junk to the flash drive and run out of space.")

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... my Electric heater costs $0.21/hr to operate...

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** J-e-f-f-A likes his new Kill-A-Watt ... ;-) **

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sphery:

2kW/hr?

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sphery:

or, 2kWh/hr, I mean

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: It's averaging about 1.36 – it's an old "Pelonis Disc Furnace", and constantly changes the heat output/fan speed as needed to maintain the temp.

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sphery:

just wondering--mainly how your cost/kWh compares to mine

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J-e-f-f-A:

I just had my wife show me the electic bill, and it works out to 17.055 cents/KWh

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ugh... I wish I could figure out a reason and/or solution for my PVR-500/250 'tinny' audio issue... it's about 1/3 of the time, on any of the 3 tuners... and the v4l2-ctl commands found while googling don't work (at least for me...)...

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Dagmar:

You could always google

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Dagmar:

I know I've seen complaints of that exact nature before

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Dagmar:

It's a firmware issue iirc

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: Yeah, Been googling... so far everything I've found has claimed it's fixed in xyz kernel or has been a very old ivtv version...

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tank-man:

what ivtv and kernel version do you have?

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J-e-f-f-A:

tank-man: kernel: 2.6.28.8–57.fc8

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J-e-f-f-A:

tank-man: ivtv 1.3.0

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Dagmar:

Fail.

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J-e-f-f-A:

eh?

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Dagmar:

Nevermind, I misread

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** J-e-f-f-A pleads to be enlightened... **

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Dagmar:

Check your firmwares anyway

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meshe:

how old are the cards?

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tank-man:

i have a pretty old ivtv version :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: Umm... 250 is probably about 4 years, 500 is about 3

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meshe:

http://threebit.net/mail-archive/mythtv-users/msg09450.html

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meshe:

does the command he lists help?

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meshe:

or can you reproduce it on demand?

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J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: no, been there... and ivtvctl has been replaced with v4l2-ctl ... the 'equivalent' commands don't work... :-(

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J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: Yeah, just changing channels in LiveTV reproduces it... and then I determine which card is in use and experiment with v4l2-ctl commands in an attempt to resolve... so far no love at all...

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meshe:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/379484#379484

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meshe:

are you tuning right on the cards?

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meshe:

or svideo in?

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J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: s-video in. ^^ been there too, doesn't work.

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J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: just doesn't return anything, and if I add "--verbose", the detail says "VIDIOC_S_AUDIO: failed: Invalid argument" :-(

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J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: Sure, a recording came along and took over the tuner I was using for livetv, and the audio is clear on the recording... And trying on another tuner to get tinny audio, 15 channel changes clean so far... Murphy's law...

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meshe:

heh

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meshe:

J-e-f-f-A: that error message you're seeing was fixed in 2005 according to the ivtv list

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J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: Yeah, that's all I was finding too... hence my confusion...

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J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: Unless perhaps my v4l2-ctl program is outdated... hummm.......

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meshe:

meshe@meshe:~$ v4l2-ctl --set-audio-input=1 -d /dev/video0

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meshe:

Audio input set to 1

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meshe:

/dev/video0 is a pvr-150

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J-e-f-f-A:

and of course --- at least my vrl2-ctl doesn't have a "--version" option... humm...

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meshe:

on my ubuntu install ivtv-utils v1.2.0–1

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Dagmar:

The utils are basically just a wrapper for ioctls calls

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Dagmar:

You pretty much don't even need that part

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... v4l2-ctl seems to be part of the kernel in FC8? <- is that right?

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meshe:

not in ubuntu: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=co . . . amp;arch=any

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meshe:

might be time for an OS update?

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J-e-f-f-A:

I can't seem to get it to reproduce on my 250 atm... but I know it has happened on it, as I sat down for 30 mins one day, going through my SD recordings and noting which ones were 'tinny', then matched up with the logs what tuner they were recorded on... and it was all 3 at the time...

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meshe:

i have 2 150's and 2 350's all running ubnuntu and haven't experienced that problem, granted the cards aren't as old as yours

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meshe:

oh

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J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: Yeah, I tried a kernel upgrade last week, and that obviously didn't help... Humm....

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meshe:

and i'm using the onboard tuners, and this problem seems to be only line in, so ignore me

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J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: It could just be this MB... I had thought I rememberd it happening only after adding a PCIe 1250 tuner, but after removing it it was still there, so either I didn't notice it before, or... I dunno...

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meshe:

FC8 is unsupported now too...

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J-e-f-f-A:

I hate Murphy... Can't friggin' re-produce it right now... And I've never had a problem reproducing it in the past...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, got it... took 15 channel changes, but caught one...

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J-e-f-f-A:

pvr-500 tuner, 2nd tuner

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meshe:

if it's any consolation, Murphys dead

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J-e-f-f-A:

Here's what vrl2-ctl --verbose --all -d 2 looks like for that tuner: http://www.pastebin.ca/1397930

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J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: Lots of "failed: No such device or address" or "failed: invalid argument" lines... seems fishy...

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Kevin`:

is it possible to have the only tuner on a slave backend?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Kevin`: Not that I'm aware of... and not sure why you'd even want that config...

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J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: ... perhaps those 'No such device' and "invalid argument' lines are valid with "--verbose"... humm...

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meshe:

J-e-f-f-A: gotta run, i'm not sure other than maybe an OS upgrade

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J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: Thanks. ;-)

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meshe:

being called in for a raid in Lord of the Rings Online

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Kevin`:

J-e-f-f-A: I want to set up a system in a better recieving position, with the tuner

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sphery:

iamlindoro: So, the /only/ shows with runTime are MV* (movies), so I'm now 99.9999999% positive I was right about its meaning

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iamlindoro:

xris, out there to answer an SD ?

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sphery:

and, xmltv does /not/ have a runtime element

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iamlindoro:

sphery, $5 says they use that as an excuse to turn it in to "ah-ha! So it won't affect all the users you think it will, it'll just *help* movies!"

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sphery:

and the way the data is structured, each program is listed once, then referenced at every location of every showing on the schedule--regardless of scheduled duration of the showing (i.e. where sometimes it's shown in 1 1/2 hrs (really cut) and other times in 2 hrs (cut, and with slightly more commercials)

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sphery:

oh, the runtime is in the program, not the listings/schedule info

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iamlindoro:

Now we have to go to their houses and cut them... in front of their kids

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

it's really just the instigator...

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iamlindoro:

f-that-user

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sphery:

I definitely have to ask xris if he has a definition of the meaning of the runTime element in TMS's raw DD-format data, though.

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sphery:

iamlindoro: and f-m-u needs to get a f-email-client, too

[03:19:26]

iamlindoro:

hehe

[03:20:02]

iamlindoro:

Is that like 1 better than e-mail?

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iamlindoro:

f-mail?

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iamlindoro:

Which, by the way, he invented back in the day

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

trying to find the e-mail thread where he got yelled at because he has a mail client that only puts spaces in quoted test

[03:26:25]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/159078#159078 last para (and 5 days after his first post to the list). Note, also, the one who told him...

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sphery:

iamlindoro: oh, and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/158718#158718 --para 3 (ignoring "SOLVED" title, which should probably be changed to "How to win friends...")

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sphery:

and the guy wonders why he doesn't get praise and thanks for his many wonderful ideas

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sphery:

ok... back to wasting my time telling him why his idea is not helpful

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** iamlindoro waits with breathless anticipation **

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sphery:

Oh, I'm pretty sure the guy is still running 0.18, too...

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sphery:

he's the one I've referenced in here when saying, "I'm pretty sure I know of one user who still uses 0.18."

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MG:

Hello everyone .. I am new to mythtv and I need help ..

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MG:

can I ask a few basic questions?

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wagnerrp:

read the rules... dont ask to ask, just ask

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MG:

Ok .. thanks ..

[03:36:40]

MG:

I have a skywalker 1

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MG:

a dish net disk

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iamlindoro:

Stop there

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MG:

ok

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iamlindoro:

Every question after that bit is off limits

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iamlindoro:

We don't do that nonsense here

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MG:

ok

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MG:

I am sorry I don't understand

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MG:

I am really new to all this .. please forgive me ..

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iamlindoro:

OK, keeping in mind that you are in a logged, public channel, that you have exposed your IP and real name, do you think you want to talk about tuning dish network through illegal means?

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iamlindoro:

Mike?

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MG:

no ..

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iamlindoro:

And that's *before* establishing that such talk is against the channel rules

[03:39:54]

MG:

ok ..

[03:40:20]

MG:

so can we talk about hardware needed to make mythtv run correctly ?

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Kevin`:

dish net disk?

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MG:

how about I have cable .. I would like to use mythtv

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iamlindoro:

You can ask, but if it starts to get towards that territory again, kicking/banning is very likely

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MG:

ok .. it won't

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wagnerrp:

then you get a QAM tuner, an analog tuner, firewire from a cablebox, or analog capture from a cablebox

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MG:

I have surewest .. I would like to use mythtv as a dvr

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MG:

I have mythdora loaded ..

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MG:

I have been reading about the frontend/backend ...

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MG:

I am looking for a hardware list needed for three frontends to work with the backend

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Loto:

3x computer

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MG:

Yes ..

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Kevin`:

you need networking and a display device capable of playing that sort of video

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Loto:

3x network cables

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MG:

Ok .. have that ..

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MG:

does the backend server need a tuner as well?

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Loto:

only the backend needs tuner

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wagnerrp:

the backend manages the tuner

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MG:

Ok .. great

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wagnerrp:

the frontend plays content given by the backend

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MG:

sat tuner for sat .. correct

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MG:

hd tv for cable ?

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MG:

does the frontend play from an app?

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wagnerrp:

play from an app?

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Loto:

well of course you need the appropriate tuner for whatver your using, dvb-t dvb-s pal/ntsc etc

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MG:

an application on the frontend?

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wagnerrp:

the frontend is an application, yes

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MG:

ok so load mythtv frontend on the client

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wagnerrp:

the frontend is a media player, it plays video internally rather than calling an external player, if thats what youre asking

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MG:

how about an app that runs on windows and can connect to mythtv?

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Kevin`:

MG: if it wasn't obvious somewhere, you can have a frontend on the backend device

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MG:

windows media for example?

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MG:

gotcha

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wagnerrp:

if youre on vista, WMP can connect to it via UPNP

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wagnerrp:

you cannot play livetv, but you can play recordings

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MG:

ok ...

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Loto:

I know XBMC has some built in support as well under win32

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, you can run a perl script in a cronjob that makes human-readable links, which you can share over samba, and access the content that way

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MG:

Thank you for beieng so pacient ...

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wagnerrp:

or, you can install mythweb, and stream the video through the web server

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MG:

Ok I saw a note on the links

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Loto:

I believe XBMC supports livetv on win32

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Loto:

it does on linux

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Anduin:

anyone been brave enough to use the channel scanner in trunk?

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wagnerrp:

Anduin: the new one, from commits of the last day or so?

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Anduin:

wagnerrp: yes

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MG:

is mythweb installed by default with mythdora21?

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wagnerrp:

i can if you give me half an hour to build it

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Anduin:

wagnerrp: naw, I was just curious, I've switched and wouldn't recommend it currently

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iamlindoro:

Too many recordings tonight to play with it :)

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iamlindoro:

rest of the week is a wasteland though

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wagnerrp:

mine are all done, as of 50min ago

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Anduin:

Yeah, it finds all sort of channels, most of which are encrypted or are missing info

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I'm sure I'll regret writing that when I was upset...

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** iamlindoro refreshes his e-mail **

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iamlindoro:

Nope, I think that is 100% the response that thread called for

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iamlindoro:

And far more collected than I likely would have been

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sphery:

Well, I just totally undid the year+ of trying to be more mellow on the list.

[04:14:52]

sphery:

and all in one reply...

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iamlindoro:

That Wasn't un-mellow

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sphery:

before long I'm going to be yelling at that kid to "Get off my lawn!"

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sphery:

and "Slow down, you crazy kids!"

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iamlindoro:

Wonder what this week's Heroes crapgasm will be like

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sphery:

haven't watched it, yet

[04:17:02]

sphery:

I've been busy with "more important" thing

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iamlindoro:

Likely won't get to it until tomorrow

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iamlindoro:

heh, hope that puts it to rest (though given the personality involved, might not)

[04:17:31]

iamlindoro:

But I think that certainly allows *you* to wash your hands of it

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sphery:

yeah, he'll say, "Well, you might have OTA only, but I have movie channels where they air the original movie, so it still applies..."

[04:18:24]

iamlindoro:

I've never recorded a movie from a movie channel that didn't run horribly over with the regular listings

[04:18:37]

iamlindoro:

meaning I got 1:45 of movie and 15 minutes of random featurettes

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sphery:

I should write a reply that just says, "BTW, no more new ideas allowed until you upgrade to 0.21-fixes"

[04:18:51]

sphery:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

sphery, But think of all the horrible new usability issues that have surfaced since .18!

[04:19:06]

iamlindoro:

;)

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sphery:

but hey, mythtv-setup is the mother of all usability screwups, and the rest of mythtv is its ill-begotten child

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iamlindoro:

I can't believe I read that whole 2005 thread, btw

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iamlindoro:

what a tool

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sphery:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

So I think I've finally watched Fringe far enough for it to start getting decent, nice to have a dozen backlogged to watch

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Dagmar:

It's not bad

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Dagmar:

I'm waiting for tomorrow night

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Dagmar:

I like that Walter is a nut

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wagnerrp:

thats not my breakfast, the egg makes a perfect protein medium to grow cultures, and youve RUINED IT!

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iamlindoro:

It's doing a helluva lot better ratingwise than Dollhouse, so it'll get a second season

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iamlindoro:

that's something I guess

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sphery:

iamlindoro: heh, just noticed you were reading class f-m-u

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Dagmar:

Dollhouse was kinda failing until last week

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iamlindoro:

sphery, hm?

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wagnerrp:

oof... Castle just went WAAAYYYY off sync

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sphery:

the 2005 thread

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Dagmar:

That leather dominatrix outfit was just the thing to keep me interested

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iamlindoro:

Dollhouse has been awesome since the fourth episode IMO

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iamlindoro:

sphery, yeah

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sphery:

classic f-m-u, I meant

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I like the part where GreyFoxx went, "I have to ask, are you a professor or something?"

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iamlindoro:

Blah, I have a perfectly nice ATSC-only tuner that I can do nothing with

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wagnerrp:

an old PCHDTV?

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iamlindoro:

KWorld 120

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah and notice the (lack of) reply

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wagnerrp:

theyve got several below that, im surprised that doesnt have QAM

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iamlindoro:

Yep, the 110 and 115 are QAM, 120 is not

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iamlindoro:

suckily

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iamlindoro:

I'm cheeks deep in tuners, actually

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iamlindoro:

HAve KWorld 115 and 120 sitting on the desk, and the HD-PVR isn't doing much right now either

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sphery:

iamlindoro: so a pile of them half as tall as your or almost as tall as you?

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RyeBrye:

chuck finally gets some?

[04:55:54]

RyeBrye:

nope.

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sphery:

OK... That's just completely annoying.

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sphery:

On CBS's show "Rules of Engagement" from tonight, they have a bug, "You're watching Rules of Engagement more at cbs.com/rules"

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sphery:

takes up about the bottom 1/5 of the screen--but that part is not different from usual

[04:59:17]

sphery:

what is different is that the animation includes specular reflections that cross the /entire/ screen diagonally from bottom left (where the flashing morphing words appear) to the top right

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sphery:

and they do the same when the morph it to "The Mentalist Next"

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wagnerrp:

is cbs the only channel that does reruns?

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sphery:

I guess as more networks start showing more serials, they're probably doing many fewer reruns

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iamlindoro:

Even the crap reality has to be serialized

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

I would say it's only good on original airing, but that wouldn't be right...

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wagnerrp:

theres a new pc-mac add, where they have a crapton of wording they put on screen, the 'legal documentation'

[05:47:31]

wagnerrp:

one of them is talking about the complication of downloading and installing camera drivers, prior to being able to edit pictures

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RyeBrye:

that's funny

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wagnerrp:

now the last every camera i have ever used just shows up as a usb drive

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wagnerrp:

every digital one anyway

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wagnerrp:

there are no drivers, there is no software, the FUD from apple was completely wrong

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RyeBrye:

maybe they were talking about windows 95 or something that would need USB mass storage drivers downloaded

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wagnerrp:

and then presumably youre going to edit the pictures in paint?

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RyeBrye:

real men edit photos in textpad

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RyeBrye:

and manly men edit them in a hex editor

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wagnerrp:

and then they talk about having to regularly run security updates, and install firewalls, and anti-vira

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wagnerrp:

i think i install updates maybe twice a year, and havent run a firewall (beyond my NAT box) or antivirus software in ~8yrs

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frogonwheels:

Having issues with semi regular glitches (every minute or so) during playback (I've confirmed it's not the signal) of tv.

[06:17:24]

wagnerrp:

describe the glitch

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frogonwheels:

wagnerrp: :) getting there..

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frogonwheels:

wagnerrp: video halts for a 1/4 second or so, but then continues fine – audio is generally unaffected.

[06:18:18]

frogonwheels:

I've tried a few things:

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wagnerrp:

have you checked to see if something is running the background?

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frogonwheels:

.. might only be a few frames dropped (and if you go back, it plays the same section fine)

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wagnerrp:

maybe running something at that same interval

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frogonwheels:

wagnerrp: yep. I've just disabled pulseaudio .. there have been run-away processes.. b

[06:19:33]

frogonwheels:

wagnerrp: but it's an AMD quad-core, which is generally idling along..

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frogonwheels:

I've tried sticky-bit..

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frogonwheels:

tried limits.conf .. tried 'realtime threads' checkbox.

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frogonwheels:

.. tried changing CPU profiles to CPU--

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frogonwheels:

.. turned off OpenGL overlay rendering..

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frogonwheels:

about the only thing really running is Xorg, myth (front & back).. and the odd npviewer.bin – though I've taken that out of the equation

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FR^2:

moin

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frogonwheels:

.. it could be something ticking along – but I'm assuming (posibly incorrectly) it would have to be something that does some serious system stuff to cause that effect?

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mchou:

frogonwheels: so you're saying myth playback worked fine at one point on that box?

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frogonwheels:

mchou: it's certainly worse than it has been.

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frogonwheels:

mchou: hmm.. could be the new hard-drive?

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mchou:

frogonwheels: hold on

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mchou:

did myth playback ever work "well" on that box

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mchou:

whatever you definition of "well" is

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mchou:

your*

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frogonwheels:

mchou: ok. on mythtv 8.10 it was working better. (I'm just making connections) .. and on 9.04 it's not quite as good

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frogonwheels:

mythbuntu 8.10

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frogonwheels:

sorry

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mchou:

myth 8.10??

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frogonwheels:

duh

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wagnerrp:

has 9.04 even been officially released?

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sulx:

who cares...

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

indeed

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mchou:

who cares

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frogonwheels:

it's still beta.

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mchou:

avoid ubuntu

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mchou:

my guess is your kernel has crappy compile options

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frogonwheels:

mchou: ok. It's been a while since I regularly built kernels. Maybe it's time to start again :|

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mchou:

there is no need to do that

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mchou:

just toss on the kernel that came with 8.10

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mchou:

if performance improves, you have your answer

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mchou:

if not, search elsewhere

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frogonwheels:

fair 'nuff.

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frogonwheels:

I think there might have been a scheduling change.

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frogonwheels:

(just putting together bits of stuff I read in the last hour or so)

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mchou:

indeed

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mchou:

pitfalls of new kernels

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mchou:

gotta know wtf you're doing

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frogonwheels:

um.. tickless system? perhaps? I think I enabled that once when it was reasonably new, and it wasn't great.

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FR^2:

I never had any issues with my tickless system.

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frogonwheels:

oh, ok.

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frogonwheels:

well maybe that's not it.

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** frogonwheels shrugs. **

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frogonwheels:

but nice to know.

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** FR^2 shrugs, too. **

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frogonwheels:

thanks all. Will do some playing with kernels and see what I can come up with.

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sid3windr:

ahh the joys of kernels :p

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wagnerrp:

well all the doom and gloom about raid5/6 failing before they were capable of a rebuild

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wagnerrp:

the WD 2TB enterprise drives report less than one error in 10^15 bytes (one petabyte)

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quicksilver:

wagnerrp: shh, people here are very attached to their doom and gloom

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quicksilver:

wagnerrp: don't burst their bubble

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gbee:

heh, so it turns out that the Virgin On-Demand stuff that for all this time has been free wasn't meant to be free, when they realised that customers on the L package were getting it they switched it off .... or so they say, IMHO it's just a dirty trick to get people to upgrade their package

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stuarta:

heh, wondered why it was quiet, i'd misspelled the channel name...

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laga:

\o/

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laga:

|

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laga:

/\

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wombo:

o

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wombo:

/0\

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wombo:

/\

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wagnerrp:

dance stick monkey dance!

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** stuarta bangs head on desk **

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stuarta:

its too early...

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** sid3windr bangs head on stuarta 's head on desk **

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** stuarta puts that in babelfish **

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stuarta:

damn, it doesn't do gibberish

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** sid3windr / bangs / head / on / stuarta's head on desk / . **

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wagnerrp:

you just love banging stuarta's head dont you

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sid3windr:

=)

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stowaway:

i tried mythtv like 2 years ago.. i didnt stick with it because it didnt have anything that was as good as tv_series in mediaportal...

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stowaway:

has there been a plugin made yet?

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stowaway:

that rivals tv_series? (ie automatically downloads data/sort and display tv shows)

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gbee:

something that downloads tv shows?

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gbee:

ah, ok just looked up what you meant, no nothing like that until we release the next version, it's being worked on in the development branch right now

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gbee:

heh, page linking to the plugin isn't afraid of waving the skull and crossbones "Ditch Cable with Downloadable Media"

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stuarta:

oh, that's what it does...

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gbee:

plugin itself work much like mythvideo in trunk, but page I was reading about it was obviously written by someone who is more intereted in what it means for illegal content than legitimate DVDs or recordings

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gbee:

works

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sid3windr:

\o/ online university!

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noaXess:

hi all

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noaXess:

i want buy a new projector for my home cinema... what option should i use, choose?

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noaXess:

contrast, ANSI, display type?

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Nockian:

i'm using irrecord to record my remote control just fine with my serial IR receiver... but when i go to start lirc and use lrw to debug it and make sure it's working, it shows nothing when i press the keys on the remote. i'm using lirc 0.8.4a, do you have any suggestions on where to start debugging?

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rsdvd:

Hi all – does anyone have a Hauppauge Nova-TD-500 working in Myth?

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FR^2:

<- Hauppauge Nova-T Stick

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FR^2:

rsdvd: More specific questions are more likely to be answered ;)

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Nockian:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Hauppauge+Nova-TD-500+mythtv

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rsdvd:

FR^2 – sorry! the nova-t-500 comes in 2 flavours – the T and TD....according to the WIKI there are LOTS of issues with the TD.....but some have it working.......I was after some help to get mine to work in Centos

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rsdvd:

Nockian – I have googled it – many times :-) there is some confusion on the web as to which versions actually work.....I was hoping someone woudl confirm they have actually succeeded

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Nockian:

rsdvd: according to that first link, one guy said it works fine with kernel 2.6.27

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Nockian:

ubuntu 8.10

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rsdvd:

depends on the exact model though......some don't work at all :-(

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Nockian:

yeah, which one is yours?

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Nockian:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_WinTV_Nova-T_500_PCI

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rsdvd:

claims to be model 289 which according to the wiki works......but I cannot get it to appear in an lspci

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Nockian:

are you using kernel 2.6.27?

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clever:

lspci should show the card even if your missing drivers

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FR^2:

clever: ack

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FR^2:

rsdvd: If lspci doesn't show that card, there's something far more severe going on.

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rsdvd:

clever : exactly that is what I am affriad of......

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clever:

the only time ive had a card disapear from lspci is when my network card went tits up

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rsdvd:

it works fine in a Windows machine.....and other cards work fine in the PCI socket......

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clever:

thats odd:S

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Nockian:

it's showing, you're just not reading it correctly

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rsdvd:

I am currently using 2.6.18.....so I might upgrade the kernel and have another go

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Nockian:

that's what i'd do, upgrade to kernel 2.6.27 since that wiki says it's supported

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FR^2:

rsdvd: Can you use pastie.org or such to simply show us your lspci output?

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rsdvd:

Nockian : you might be right.....the card has a usb controller and 2 usb devices........I might have missed the USB controller as it is the same as the motherboard one

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clever:

lspci -vvvv

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rsdvd:

FR^2 – the card is not installed at the moment – I took it out to try in a windoze machine......I will reinstall and upgrade the kernel......then report back

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sid3windr:

lsusb :>

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rsdvd:

LOL – D'oh...of course it will not not show in lspci

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FR^2:

sid3windr: Good point ;)

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sid3windr:

the usb controller should

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sid3windr:

but as you say you could have missed it :)

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rsdvd:

sid3windr – I probably did miss the controller as it is a Via controller chip the same as the MB.....so they all look the same

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rsdvd:

:-) – now I feel like a fool! now I have reinstalled it lsusb shows "Bus 003 Device 002: ID 2040:8400 Hauppauge"

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sid3windr:

ah well who the hell invents usb tuners on a pci card anyway.

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rsdvd:

:-)

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sid3windr:

I certainly wouldn't even have thought of 21|15:55:38] < rsdvd> Nockian : you might be right.....the card has a usb controller and 2 usb devices :p

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rsdvd:

I have been fighting with this for 2 days......just shows it sometimes help to talk about it to see a diferent perspective

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FR^2:

Most often describing one's issues in detail to others is already the solution ;)

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rsdvd:

FR^2 – well said!

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rsdvd:

:-( there is not newer kernel available for Centos 5.3 ..... might have to compile my own

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Nockian:

another reason to run ubuntu instead of other distributions :)

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FR^2:

oerks.

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FR^2:

"Matter of taste!" said the monkey and bit into the soap bar

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sid3windr:

hah FR^2 yeah, 3 lines into trying to explain my problem on IRC I usually see the solution :>

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danielk22:

Does anyone know if one of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882339047 will work with a motherboard built in nVidia 8200 ?

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FR^2:

"This adapter works with graphics cards that have TV-Out function capability through the VGA connector."

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danielk22:

right do you know if the 8200 is one of those?

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jams:

danielk22- my MB with 8200 didn't include such an adaptor and the manual mentions nothing about an accessory.

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jams:

i would think asus would mention it if it was supported.

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wagnerrp:

i cant say ive heard of such a feature

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danielk22:

heh, guess I'll need to buy a 8200 nvidia card for my M3N78-VM motherboard with 8200 nvidia graphics. doh!

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wagnerrp:

your board doesnt have a tv out?

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danielk22:

wagnerrp: nope, i'd be asking a silly question if it did.

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wagnerrp:

you dont have any spare cards lying about?

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danielk22:

not half height

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jams:

danielk22- m3n78-emh here

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jams:

it's a good board

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wagnerrp:

well hes already got a board, why buy another?

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jams:

i wasn't suggesting he buy another board

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jams:

if I were to suggest he buy something, it would be a flexiable pci-e/ or pci extension cable. That way he could use an exisiting card and still make it fit in the exisiting case.

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jams:

it would require some creative wireing

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wagnerrp:

assuming his case supports horizontal mounting

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wagnerrp:

which if it supports half height cards, it cannot use a riser card

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wagnerrp:

not to mention, the riser cards invariably come with the case that supports them

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jams:

or creative wiring. My case does use half height cards, but also provides a horizontal opening.

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jams:

and it didn't provide a riser card, but that really doesn't matter cause i'm not talking about a riser card.

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Quantumstate:

Oddly, when I build a seektable for videos, seek forward/back doesn't work anymore on H.264 mkv videos.

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Quantumstate:

Optimize database: $/usr/local/src/mythtv-fixes.20359-R19/mythtv/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl

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Quantumstate:

mythcommflag --rebuild --video /home/bill/Videos/Movies/infile.mkv

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Quantumstate:

Doesn't work on untranscoded mpg (mpeg2) videos either.

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Quantumstate:

Actually the version of fixes I am using now is 20436. I believe this used to work on version 20406, although that was a short period and I can't be sure.

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oxyis:

Hi.I am doing a trial upgrades to trunk (20436) on my myth 0.21 box. Everything is looking good except 1 major issue. Scheduled recordings are not being saved. Watching livetv works fine, as the data is being stored in the correct location. For scheduled program the database has the correct info about the recording, filename and everything, but no data. Not even an empty file (yes, I have checked the permission on the storage dir). Turnin

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lcase:

what is the executable name of the channelscanner_cli ?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not have a command line scanner

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lcase:

in the new checkin from the channelscanner there is an file channelscanner_cli.c/.h so i thought there must be an executable

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wagnerrp:

hmm..

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jams:

thought daniel just added one

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jams:

when the branches were merged

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lcase:

yes, i compiled it. but i cannot find the executable

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RyeBrye:

Oh yeah, what does that branch merging add? Is that channel scanning for any input that can scan channels, or just for something specific like dvb?

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wagnerrp:

indeed... there it is

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jams:

RyeBrye- ticket 2695

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RyeBrye:

thanks

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sphery:

lcase: pretty sure the command-line scanner is mythtv-setup

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sphery:

you have done a mythtv-setup --help, right?

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lcase:

shpery: mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server

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lcase:

i have no x on the backend

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lcase:

i thought with cli there must not be an xserver

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sphery:

ssh -Y hostname

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sphery:

then do the mythtv-setup --help

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sphery:

or just run it on the frontend machine (which should have a display)

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sphery:

and must have the same version of myth

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lcase:

the frontend is a mac ...

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lcase:

is scanning via remote frontend possible?

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meshe:

using ssh -Y x forwarding or vnc

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jarle:

any idea where in the mythtv-setup I can configure the TeletextDecoder? My log is filling up with "TeletextDecoder: No Teletext Viewer defined!"

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sphery:

VBI Format

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sphery:

in General on page Locale Settings, I think

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jarle:

sphery: Maine is set to "PAL Teletext"...

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sphery:

don't know, then

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jarle:

sphery: I'm setting it to none, just to see if it makes a difference...

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sphery:

Weren't you saying that it was coming from mythcommflag? If so, that may just be because mythcommflag doesn't set up VBI decoding.

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jarle:

sphery: any idea how I might stop it from filling up my log?

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jarle:

sphery: mythbackend -v nocommflag should do the trick I guess...

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balachmar:

Hi, I have been experiencing some lockups and I have found that my mpeg2 encoder is sharing irq with my audio device. Could this be the cause of my problems? And how should I solve it?

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clever:

move one of the cards to another slot

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balachmar:

this is my lspci -v output http://pastebin.com/d5069aeae

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balachmar:

clever: isn't there something else than moving them physically?

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clever:

you can try changing the setings in the bios but that may not do it

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sphery:

lcase: well, it turns out the scanner options aren't shown in the --help output--probably because it's not ready for general use

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sphery:

lcase: feel free to read the code to see what you can specify

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sphery:

or start with --scan and try to intuit it

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balachmar:

clever: but that irq sharing could be the cause of my lockups?

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sphery:

either way, though, you're on your own, it seems

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clever:

balachmar: ive had irc sharing cause trouble with my sata controler before

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clever:

moving it to another pci slot fixed it

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lcase:

i have running it here... it slowly works toward a complete scan

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olejl:

I have recently installed Ubuntu 9.04 beta and Myth trunk, but I am struggling with some weird database issues. Everything is installed from scratch. This is the error when trying to launch mythfrontend: http://de.pastebin.com/m5db3ad33

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olejl:

I have been reading about this on the mailing list and in trac, but as I understand it it should be solved in trunk. Anyone know what could be wrong and how I can solve it?

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RyeBrye:

are you upgrading an existing myth install to trunk?

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olejl:

no, installing fresh

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kormoc:

Might want to ask sphery

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jarle:

I have tracked the error message ("TeletextDecoder: No Teletext Viewer defined!") down to /libs/libmythtv/teletextdecoder.cpp, but I am still lost as to why mythcommflag keeps calling (and failing) the TeletextDecoder::Decode() function?

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RyeBrye:

olejl: that's strange. try to drop mythconverg and try again. If the create-from-scratch isn't working, that seems odd

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olejl:

I have tried to drop it several times. Same thing happens every time

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olejl:

I have tried creating the database manually and using the mc.sql script

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kormoc:

jarle, because there's a commflag method to use the teletext data?

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jarle:

kormoc: but I fail to see what the errormessage is actually telling me? Is it some setting I need to fix, or is it mythcommflag that is doing something wrong?

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sphery:

olejl: it's fixed in /current/ trunk

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sphery:

olejl: you're running an old version

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sphery:

olejl: pastebin: mythbackend --version

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kormoc:

jarle, you have no teletext decoder setup, so it's attempting to decode it, finding that it can't, and thus telling you that it can't. Nothing is 'wrong' as it's an 'optional' step, it's just telling you that it's failing

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olejl:

http://de.pastebin.com/m6d109c5d

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sphery:

jarle: I think it's actually more of an excessively verbose message than an error

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sphery:

olejl: OK, you've got a recent-enough trunk

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sphery:

olejl: the problem is it's not yet fixed in all places and you happen to be hitting it in mythmusic (which wasn't fixed, yet)

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olejl:

I made a clean install of Ubuntu a couple of days ago. The rev I'm running now is the only one I have downloaded

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olejl:

but it happens for all my plugins

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sphery:

olejl: the easiest fix is to downgrade to Qt4.4.x (i.e. Qt4.5 is broken)

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sphery:

olejl: the second easiest fix is to patch Qt4.5

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sphery:

olejl: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/qt-4.5.0- . . . ements.patch

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jarle:

kormoc: anyway it is filling up my log making it impossible to debug other problems, so I need to remove it from the log in some way or another. In mythtv-setup I found a setting for VBI under "locale" that I could set to PAL, NTSC or none. This was set to PAL, and I have since changed it to none, but that did not make any difference?

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RyeBrye:

Ah. Qt 4.5 is still brokie?

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kormoc:

jarle, so... patch it out?

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olejl:

speary: ok thanks.

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sphery:

yep... they consider it unimportant: http://www.qtsoftware.com/developer/task-trac . . . method=entry

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sphery:

and their POS bug tracker doesn't let me upload the patch or the test case

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sphery:

let alone add aditional comments that could include the patch/test case

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jarle:

kormoc: or setup a teletext decoder, if I knew how to do that...

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olejl:

hmm, thats annoying. are you planning on making workarounds for this in myth?

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kormoc:

sphery, so create a new bug, asking to close the other bug with the new info?

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RyeBrye:

Sphery – yeah, host the files somwhere and send in a new bug. their bug tracker really does suck – it doesn't even have a "vote" option

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RyeBrye:

Heck – it has NO options it seems

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sphery:

olejl: you can make the workarounds... Just go through all of the code in myth and look at every usage of MSqlQuery::exec() to ensure that we check its return value instead of checking only query.lastError().type() . Patches are appreciated

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meshe:

mythtv got a mention in the known issues section of relase notes for Ubuntu 9.10 RC

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** RyeBrye grumbles about "Open Source" projects that seem oblivious to patches **

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sphery:

olejl: if you want to fix that one particular case, it's on line 44 of mythplugins/mythmusic/mythmusic/dbcheck.cpp

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sphery:

please post the patch to http://svn.mythtv.org/

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olejl:

sphery: ok I can give it a shot

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kormoc:

meshe, ooh? a mention as in 'It's broken'?

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olejl:

and that is the preferred solution to the problem?

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meshe:

kormoc: yeah

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kormoc:

nice

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RyeBrye:

meshe: you have a time machine? How are you gettign 9.10 RC?

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meshe:

hopefully fixed by release

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RyeBrye:

;)

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meshe:

er 9.04 ;)

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meshe:

http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904overview#Known issues

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** RyeBrye cracked the code to Ubuntu's numbering scheme – so he knows that 9.10 wont be out until October '09 **

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sphery:

olejl: Here's the pattern you need to use: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . or_bug.patch

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jarle:

kormoc: it is VERBOSE(VB_VBI, "TeletextDecoder: No Teletext Viewer defined!"); so I am going by the assumption that running the backend vith -v all,novbi should do the trick if I understand that -v options correctly..

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olejl:

sphery: yeah I have seen it

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kormoc:

jarle, worth giving it a try

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sphery:

olejl: or, just get rid of the lastError().type() check as at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/20186#file1

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sphery:

olejl: the one that actually went in got rid of the lastError() check

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sphery:

jarle: if you're trying to clean up your logs, -v all is probably not what you want

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RyeBrye:

in the latest trunk is that particular bug fixed alrady?

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sphery:

jarle: generally, you should run -v important,general , and in that case, you won't see VB_VBI

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sphery:

btw, -v important,general is the default

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RyeBrye:

I have -V every_executed_machine_instruction, is that too verbose? ;)

[17:55:07]

sphery:

olejl: the more of those cases you find, the better--note that even if you get a valid DB upgrade/creation, you may get other cases where failures occur during normal execution, so every use of MSqlQuery needs checking.

[17:55:21]

meshe:

RyeBrye: strace mythbackend > mythbackend.log

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jarle:

sphery: I know, I'm trying to debug some empty recordings trying to figure out if it is problems decrypting or what, that's why I'm running such excessive logs at the moment...

[17:55:52]

sphery:

olejl: if you have the time, pick a plugin and just go through all of it and upload the patch and say something like, "This should fix all occurrences of ignoring MSqlQuery::exec() return value in mythmusic" or whatever

[17:55:54]

RyeBrye:

meshe – good idea! then I can recreate bugs easily by doing strace < mythbackend.log later on ;)

[17:56:47]

jarle:

sphery: good thing I have logrotate running, yesterdays backend log was 500+ MB! (ouch!)

[17:56:57]

sphery:

jarle: well, for that particularly, you should at least include a nodatabase --or -v most,novbi

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sphery:

i.e. most is -v all,nodatabase,notimestamp,noextra

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oxyis:

jarle: i'am also having problems with empty records, are we talking about only scheduled recordings?

[17:58:49]

jarle:

sphery: "The additive options may also be subtracted from 'all' byprefixing them with 'no', so you may use '-v all,nodatabase'to view all but database debug messages." led me to believe that the no* keywords only worked with -all?

[17:59:23]

jarle:

oxyis: correct

[17:59:40]

olejl:

sphery: Just to be clear. This fix has to be applied every place an upgrade is attempted?

[17:59:46]

sphery:

I think that's just saying that it doesn't make sense to use -v important,noimportant

[17:59:55]

sphery:

most, though, is an "all-like" arg

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oxyis:

what svn rev are you using?

[18:00:33]

sphery:

olejl: the upgrades are one area where the "broken check" is likely to occur because the main mythtv db upgrade code used that broken construct

[18:01:03]

sphery:

however, any location in the code where we use MSqlQuery could potentially be broken

[18:01:32]

sphery:

and, if you fix only the "most visible" ones, you could still have a failure during execution at some point

[18:01:56]

jarle:

sphery: I'm using -v all,nodatabase,notimestamp,novbi (because I was not sure if -v most,novbi would work)

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[18:02:02]

olejl:

sphery: I see, but is this a good solution, or will it just be temporary?

[18:02:03]

sphery:

i.e. Myth seems to be running fine, you go on vacation and come back to a broken mythtv box that stopped recording your stuff

[18:02:11]

oxyis:

jarle: ok, we might be having the same problem, i'am also running excessive logging, but haven't gotten anything yet, om on rev 20436 btw. what kind of dvb cards are using?

[18:02:13]

sphery:

jarle: that's probably not bad

[18:02:56]

sphery:

oxyis and jarle : if you're both getting empty recordings (and, especially, if you're both in the same area), it sounds like you both need to rescan...

[18:03:10]

sphery:

assuming the recordings are always the same channel(s)

[18:03:12]

jarle:

sphery: I'll have to wait for the next commflagging to start to if the novbi did the trick :)

[18:03:20]

sphery:

cool

[18:04:03]

jarle:

sphery: as long as we can tune to the channel in live tv there should be no reason to rescan.

[18:04:19]

RyeBrye:

i was getting empty recordings on one of my analog tuners. I rebooted and it seemed to fix it

[18:04:38]

olejl:

also I have noticed that the exit yes/no popup in mythtv-setup is not working with the default theme

[18:05:21]

jarle:

oxyis: I have Terratec 1200 DVB-s cards.

[18:05:30]

sphery:

olejl: in trunk?

[18:05:38]

olejl:

yes

[18:05:57]

oxyis:

jarle: i also have terratec 1200, and as jarle said, it's working in livetv

[18:06:11]

oxyis:

terratec 1200 dvb-c though

[18:07:56]

jarle:

oxyis: I am using software decryption though so I have some more possible areas of failure besides just mythtv

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jarle:

oxyis: back in 2 sec..

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jarle:

oxyis: back..

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olejl:

sphery: could the "Cannot load language en_us for module mythmusic" message also be related to the same issue or is that something different?

[18:17:06]

sphery:

olejl: That's just a error that's not an error... We don't yet have en_us translations for most of the code.

[18:18:45]

gbee:

warning

[18:19:29]

Dibblah1:

jarle: Running with any variations of -v all is a bad idea.

[18:19:36]

Dibblah1:

(in production)

[18:20:19]

jarle:

Dibblah1: how come?

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Dibblah1:

Because there are many things that are logged that you're not remotely interested in.

[18:27:36]

Dibblah1:

As you've discovered.

[18:27:51]

Dibblah1:

And will continue to discover until you stop hurting yourself ;)

[18:30:04]

gbee:

besides which, the shear strain of logging that volume of information can itself cause issues

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** sphery has a feeling that the R5000 support ticket/patch is being used by many satellite pirates to include code that makes Myth easier to modify for software cam usage **

[18:38:49]

olejl:

sphery: I fixed all the obvious cases: http://pastebin.com/m1caa1338. Before I attempt a more thorough patch, is this ok?

[18:38:57]

olejl:

it is now working for me

[18:39:09]

olejl:

at least for now

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sphery:

if nothing else, it's likely being used by them as a not-forbidden means of explaining where they're getting their recordings

[18:40:06]

sphery:

olejl: looks good to me...

[18:40:58]

sphery:

olejl: and thanks a lot for the help... this is one of those projects that's just a lot of tedious work, but that's a /great/ way for someone to get started helping out with Myth

[18:41:46]

sphery:

olejl: /and/ more importantly, the time you spend on it saves the developers (with skills far greater than mine) from having to waste their time on it so they can add new/interesting features or fix complex/deep-rooted bugs!

[18:42:21]

olejl:

np. I'm happy if I can contribute, and keep the devs focused on more important things

[18:42:49]

sphery:

and, though most of them will never know it, many of the users out there will appreciate your doing so

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gbee:

sphery: since it's otherwise a legitimate device? that would be a difficult call

[18:51:17]

gbee:

well, than again, reading the description it doesn't seem all that legit since it involves modifying the STB

[18:51:53]

sphery:

gbee: yeah, it's definitely a grey/gray area

[18:52:31]

gbee:

isn't modification of hardware to circumvent copy protection a violation of the DCMA?

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sphery:

more than anything, though, it's not the ones with a subscription and a modified STB that bug me--it's the ones who steal satellite programming (using softcam stuff) and then say they get DISH network programming with an R5000 so they don't get yelled at that annoy me

[18:53:44]

sphery:

gbee: and, yeah, in my non-lawyer understanding, it is

[18:53:50]

olejl:

I have been doing some greping, but can't seem to find this problem anyplace else. I will post the patch to track

[18:54:20]

sphery:

though some may make the claim it's not so much circumventing copyright protection as allowing use of the device with other devices

[18:54:28]

sphery:

olejl: thx

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gbee:

sphery: the streams aren't broadcast encrypted and don't require a CAM/card for access?

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olejl:

sphery: Should I open a new ticket or reopen your?

[18:59:56]

olejl:

*yours

[19:08:52]

olejl:

Didn't have permission to reopen, but I attached the patch

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sphery:

lcase: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6484 --thanks for letting me know it needed patching :)

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sphery:

lcase: though the --scan* args are not yet documented in the --help output, so it doesn't really help you, yet :)

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lcase:

sphery: cool :) good work

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iamlindoro:

sphery: no offense, but I'd like to hear from a *real* developer

[19:23:34]

sphery:

iamlindoro: you do have a point

[19:23:39]

iamlindoro:

;)

[19:23:40]

sphery:

though I think you mean a -developer-

[19:23:50]

iamlindoro:

Yes, that's who I meant

[19:23:54]

sphery:

heh

[19:24:03]

iamlindoro:

Note you hasn't chimed in again

[19:24:07]

iamlindoro:

er Note He

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sphery:

yeah... if we get through today...

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iamlindoro:

HAHAAHAHAHQ

[19:24:38]

iamlindoro:

He totally just did

[19:24:54]

sphery:

Of course, he'll probably respond to Nick's e-mail (which had the info I was looking for)...

[19:24:58]

sphery:

ok... going to look

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v GreyFoxx

[19:25:38]

sphery:

don't think he had read the other one before sending that one

[19:26:27]

iamlindoro:

Pacing himself

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sphery:

So I sent another

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sphery:

he can make the patch to show runtime if he likes, and now he knows he can't call it runtime

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sphery:

olejl: Creating a new ticket is probably better... Just make it something like, "Check MSqlQuery::exec() return value in plugins"

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olejl:

too late :) I attached it to your issue

[19:33:59]

sphery:

yeah, you can still make a new ticket and then attach it to the new ticket... just respond to the e-mail on -dev with, nevermind--created a new ticket (you can even say I told you to :)

[19:34:13]

br14:

Hey guys, I'm looking into the possibility of having a backend stream multicast video over the network. Any know if this is do-able?

[19:34:28]

wagnerrp:

multicast? no

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tgm4883:

Whats the reasoning behind mythfilldatabase not updating existing listing data by default?

[19:34:53]

wagnerrp:

mythtv is not intended for video distribution

[19:35:04]

sphery:

br14: you can use vlc to do it, though

[19:35:21]

wagnerrp:

yeah, vlc has no trouble running off myth's recordings

[19:35:22]

sphery:

(but, as implied, make sure you have the rights to do so)

[19:35:27]

wagnerrp:

or pulling directly off the tuner itself

[19:35:28]

br14:

yeah, I know, but theres always people making sw/hw doing things they were not intended for

[19:35:52]

br14:

yea, I'm looking into vlc

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i wasnt implying anything, just meaning that myth is not set up to run multiple display synchronously

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wagnerrp:

the frontend design is for independent access

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ah, well, it's still a valid idea, though...

[19:38:01]

br14:

I was going to perhaps use a different front end, just a myth backend, tought i'd ask since myth is something i kinda know

[19:38:18]

wagnerrp:

br14: you may be able to rig something up using the socket interface, to keep them synchronized

[19:38:32]

wagnerrp:

but it wont be multicast

[19:42:10]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, sphery, I wonder if he knows that the runtime SD sends out isn't actually tied to anything the networks themselves claim? I'm fairly certain that with movies, it'd be very wrong.

[19:42:32]

br14:

well thanks for the help

[19:42:37]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Please, please, please please PLEASE respond with that info

[19:42:43]

iamlindoro:

and mention that you're a dev :)

[19:43:05]

** kormoc pokes xris to verify **

[19:43:11]

sphery:

kormoc: that's what I tried to tell him last night.

[19:44:02]

wagnerrp:

i think anyone who cant properly prepend a 'RE:' should be summarily ignored

[19:44:05]

sphery:

kormoc: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/379873#379873 , Nick M sent the definition

[19:44:13]

wagnerrp:

its like hes starting a new thread with each email he sends

[19:44:24]

sphery:

kormoc: he's still whining about it--and thinks it applies

[19:44:44]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: He was told that, by Chutt, *FOUR YEARS AGO*

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: And refused to listen then and basically told him to eff off

[19:45:10]

wagnerrp:

hes from MIT, hes entitled

[19:45:18]

sphery:

kormoc: he did ^^^ after calling mythtv-setup the "mother of all usability screwups"

[19:45:31]

** kormoc laughs **

[19:45:43]

kormoc:

I guess I have to go subscribe to -users again to end this pain, for the good of mankind!

[19:46:11]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/158718#158718 for the "mother" statement --in Nov 2005

[19:46:40]

iamlindoro:

Hahahah, f-m-u has been reading the channel logs

[19:46:43]

** iamlindoro waves **

[19:46:47]

kormoc:

Epic

[19:46:48]

iamlindoro:

Hello, you're being a dick!

[19:47:05]

sphery:

Oh, f-myth-users is reading the logs?

[19:47:23]

sphery:

f-myth-users, you do realize that your e-mail address can be seen as an offensive statement, right?

[19:47:32]

wagnerrp:

so... he cant read a big textbox and realize that he may have to change the dev node?

[19:47:34]

sphery:

f-myth-users, why not use a real name?

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iamlindoro:

"So since you said there was a thorough discussion on IRC, I took a look at the logs, and found quite a bit of adolescent behavior and insulting namecalling, all directed at me personally, including even dredging up years-old history in order to sling some more mud."

[19:48:02]

wagnerrp:

that screen has looked exactly the same since ive started using mythtv, which is about the time frame of that post

[19:48:03]

iamlindoro:

As though any real discussion happens in this channel

[19:48:20]

iamlindoro:

Hey f-m-u, the dev channel isn't logged, good luck finding something to get offended about ;)

[19:48:57]

wagnerrp:

so if hes offended by the community, why is he still around after 3.5 years?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: regarding the MIT comment: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/159117#159117 :)

[19:49:27]

wagnerrp:

similarly, if the program is a nightmare, why is he still using and struggling with it after 3.5 years?

[19:49:31]

iamlindoro:

Because without the mother of all usability screwups to complain about, he'd have to find something else to kvetch about

[19:49:51]

sphery:

wagnerrp: actually, it's not like he /is/ around after 3.5 years... He's around 3.5 years ago--still using 0.18, TTBOMK

[19:50:09]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Stop poisoning the well ;)

[19:50:11]

sphery:

i.e. he didn't make it to the present :)

[19:50:21]

wagnerrp:

what, did he hack in SD support on his own?

[19:50:23]

sphery:

iamlindoro: it's just a little bit of hemlock...

[19:50:41]

iamlindoro:

I think it's important to let each individual come to their own conclusion that he's a dillweed

[19:50:56]

sphery:

wagnerrp: TTBOMK, tv_grab_na_dd and mythfilldatabase --file

[19:51:56]

wagnerrp:

so hes complaining about how his modifications to myth are broken, then?

[19:52:47]

sphery:

ok, maybe he is using a newer version... he did say he's using an old version, though

[19:52:56]

iamlindoro:

Hmmm, why do I get the sense that f-m-u getting a new column into program is about as likely as my being the next project lead?

[19:53:24]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I thought JYA was the new project lead?

[19:53:27]

gbee:

this is the Mythmote guy?

[19:53:42]

iamlindoro:

gbee: No, "f-myth-users" (@media.mit.edu)

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gbee:

iamlindoro: ok, another guy who wanted a column added to program :)

[19:54:16]

iamlindoro:

yeah :)

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kormoc:

Let's add columns to columns!

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kormoc:

"This column defines the columns we have"

[19:54:48]

** iamlindoro won't be happy until mythconverg looks like the new york times Sunday Crossword **

[19:54:50]

wagnerrp:

someone should contact MIT-IT about his name being offensive, and causing ill will towards MIT

[19:55:02]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, please, do so

[19:55:07]

gbee:

has this f-myth-users submitted any patches?

[19:55:45]

kormoc:

gbee, not in any trac tickets at least

[19:55:45]

iamlindoro:

gbee: not AFAIK, but he did write a loooooooooooooooooooong message in 2005 about what a screw up usability wise MythTV is, and get into a fight with Chutt about it

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gbee:

offensive? guess I'm too far behind to catch up on this one

[19:56:11]

iamlindoro:

yes

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sphery:

gbee: if the f was a shortened verb...

[19:56:36]

sphery:

(slang, possibly primarily US slang)

[19:56:39]

iamlindoro:

IMO he has a tendency to belittle others, although he may claim not to intend it

[19:56:46]

gbee:

iamlindoro: well he's right, it is ... of course it's not helpful or polite to say that ...

[19:56:53]

sphery:

in UK, would is be s-myth-users?

[19:57:07]

AndyCap:

chavtv?

[19:57:30]

gbee:

assuming we're talking about the same word, no, it would still be f

[19:57:34]

iamlindoro:

I chuckled at a message on the users list from someone saying they were running ".21-JYA"

[19:58:00]

sphery:

funny how my attitude has gotten worse in recent years, even though IMHO, I've actually mellowed a lot...

[19:58:08]

olejl:

anyone know if MythMusic is working in trunk? It just tells me that it didn't find any tracks when scanning

[19:58:10]

gbee:

iamlindoro: not MythJVA?

[19:58:20]

iamlindoro:

gbee: JYA-TV

[19:58:21]

gbee:

JYA ..

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kormoc:

sphery, you joke, I'm amazed people listen to me, I'm a epic jerk lately...

[19:58:53]

iamlindoro:

/me started as an epic jerk so there are low expecitations ;)

[19:59:13]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, that's true, you started out on my ignore list for a while ;)

[19:59:20]

iamlindoro:

Awwwwwwwwwww

[19:59:31]

kormoc:

Then people kept asking me about patches you were doing and what not, and I was like, crap... not I gots to listen to him... ;)

[19:59:37]

kormoc:

*now I gots

[19:59:48]

iamlindoro:

To be fair, listening is still optional ;)

[20:01:03]

iamlindoro:

Ah, okay, the exact quote was "I'm using 0.21 + fixes + JYA (stable)"

[20:01:17]

iamlindoro:

The parenthetical bit is HIGHLY debatable

[20:02:38]

olejl:

I set up the search path under settings and when I tried to scan nothing happened. Now when I restarted the frontend it is ok. Looks like a frontend restart is required after setting the path

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sphery:

I /truly/ don't see this post as being denigrating or belittling: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/378670#378670

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sphery:

I fully admit that my last post in the thread--after being accused of doing so--denigrates and belittles

[20:03:58]

sphery:

but, whatever...

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iamlindoro:

So I'm very fond of what the Moxi DVR does for its "Live TV" EPG, think I may steal a fair amount of it for Graphite

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wagnerrp:

list of channels on the left, livetv and list of upcoming shows for the current channel on the right?

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[20:21:41]

iamlindoro:

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadgethd.com/med . . . md-guide.jpg

[20:21:45]

iamlindoro:

That, basically

[20:22:06]

iamlindoro:

I like that for purposes of live TV, the most pertinent information is shown

[20:22:32]

wagnerrp:

i was looking at this... http://moxi.com/us/hd_interfaces.html

[20:22:45]

wagnerrp:

same view/layout, different data

[20:22:54]

iamlindoro:

yeah

[20:28:02]

meshe:

does mythfilldatabase require it's datasource to be xml?

[20:28:48]

meshe:

meaning all grabbers + SD feed it xml

[20:30:09]

meshe:

nvm, thinking out loud

[20:30:25]

iamlindoro:

meshe: TTBOMK, yeah

[20:31:11]

gbee:

it supports two different input formats; that defined by the xmltv DTD (which doesn't have to come from an official xmltv grabber); or whatever SD spews out, which is an entirely different format to xmltv and which may or may not be xml, could be JSON or CSV for all I know

[20:31:33]

meshe:

heh

[20:32:19]

meshe:

i was just pondering storing it in the db as xml and using some of mysqls new features to search that

[20:35:42]

meshe:

if it's not guaranteed to be a standard xml format, the idea would be moot

[20:35:52]

gbee:

difficulty there, err yeah

[20:36:01]

gbee:

didn't need to finish typing ;)

[20:36:37]

meshe:

just thinking around this "i need x field about the tv listings added" problem

[20:37:53]

gbee:

we do a fair bit of data managling in mfdb to re-arrange what we get from xmltv into the database in an optimal format for scheduling etc

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** meshe nods **

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iamlindoro:

Wow, Tivo/Moxi et al still using a ringbuffer

[20:43:13]

iamlindoro:

And a 30 minute ringbuffer at that

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wagnerrp:

what for? thats still a 4GB ringbuffer... not likely they have that much memory

[20:44:18]

wagnerrp:

i suppose they could store it in flash

[20:44:36]

iamlindoro:

Pretty sure it's just on the disk

[20:45:36]

RyeBrye:

That feature in TiVo is kind of cool actually. It's mostly used for LiveTV scenarios where you NEVER watch LiveTV except through the TiVo – so if you turn on the TV and you are in the middle of a show – you can just rewind to get back to the beginning of it

[20:46:03]

wagnerrp:

so its always recording?

[20:46:06]

RyeBrye:

Yes

[20:46:08]

iamlindoro:

So long as that show started less than 30 minutes ago and was on that exact channel

[20:46:47]

meshe:

cool

[20:46:57]

RyeBrye:

well, presumably when you turn on the TV you don't immediately change the channel – when you change teh cahnnel it purges the ringbuffer

[20:47:08]

RyeBrye:

It's not a major feature, but I used it quite a bit when I had a TiVo

[20:47:21]

iamlindoro:

Would be much better just just save that program instead of 30 minutes

[20:47:35]

meshe:

leave your mythbox on live tv for the same effect though

[20:48:15]

RyeBrye:

MythTV does liveTV differently also – TiVo keeps the ringbuffer recording in the background when you go back to the menus etc – LiveTV cuts the recording of a livetv episode immediately when you go to the main menu

[20:48:15]

wagnerrp:

myth splits livetv at program starts right?

[20:48:21]

RyeBrye:

Yes, MythTV does

[20:48:34]

meshe:

wagnerrp: yeah

[20:48:41]

iamlindoro:

RyeBrye: Only ATM

[20:48:58]

iamlindoro:

The Video miniplayer will make keeping live TV going in a window no problem

[20:49:01]

RyeBrye:

iamlindoro: is there something in the works to revise how livetv is handled?

[20:49:15]

RyeBrye:

that would be a much appreciated change :)

[20:49:24]

wagnerrp:

RyeBrye, you could always hit record, and then go back to it in recordings

[20:49:30]

meshe:

RyeBrye: but, if you leave livetv running you can just R if you're on a show you want to record and go back to your menus

[20:49:35]

iamlindoro:

Not for purposes of revising liveTV, but that would be one potential benefit of the video widget

[20:49:46]

wagnerrp:

although i admit that currently myth is not conducive to channel surfers

[20:50:36]

RyeBrye:

Right – I know to make LiveTV in myth record stuff – but the way TiVO does it without any interaction at all is kind of nice – it gives you as the user the impression that it's just magically always recording stuff without having to told...

[20:50:38]

meshe:

guide surfers :) taught my parents to use browse mode

[20:51:41]

RyeBrye:

The use case for the ringbuffer in live tv that I used it in the most was: "I am bored. I want to watch TV but dont care what. I turn on the TV TiVo is recording something mildly interesting. I hit the back button to go back to the start of it and then I can watch somethign I don't care enough to 'record' but can still skip commercials."

[20:51:56]

RyeBrye:

It was mostly for casual TV watching, not for anything major

[20:52:26]

meshe:

RyeBrye: myth will do that if you leave live tv running

[20:52:29]

gbee:

no-one is working on changes to livetv behaviour, none of the devs are even interested in doing so as far as I know, they don't watch livetv

[20:52:42]

meshe:

and other than hard drive space, there's no reason why you can't leave live tv running

[20:52:47]

meshe:

(and tying up a tuner)

[20:53:06]

sphery:

to make your MythTV /smarter/ than TiVo about always recording: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/254066#254066 (last part, starting with, "However, IMHO, the patch is completely unnecessary..."

[20:53:45]

sphery:

i.e. Why would anyone assume that whatever channel the tuner was last left on is worth recording? Why not /tell/ it what channel to always record unless otherwise engages...

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sphery:

I guess I should apologize for berating and belittling all of you, though...

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RyeBrye:

I dont feel berated or belittled

[20:55:05]

sphery:

strange, on the -users list, I would have been accused of berating/belittling :)

[20:55:16]

** RyeBrye suddenly feels berated **

[20:55:29]

meshe:

sphery: i finally got over the "There's nothing on TV" problem, theres always something to watch in myth

[20:55:38]

iamlindoro:

Just wait til he starts belittling

[20:55:50]

sphery:

yeah, the lots of recordings is the best way

[20:55:53]

** iamlindoro has a dozen Fringe episodes to catch up on **

[20:56:05]

gbee:

RyeBrye: when I'm bored I turn on the TV and pick from one of the many shows I've recorded ;) Better still, I know that there will always be something interesting in my recordings, whereas the same can rarely be said for livetv

[20:56:37]

sphery:

exactly

[20:56:40]

iamlindoro:

I turned on live TV for the first time in years the other day to play with EPG theming

[20:56:49]

iamlindoro:

And the theming was the best part about it ;)

[20:57:19]

RyeBrye:

It's not just the ringbuffer that makes the whole "liveTV" part of TiVo feel more useable – it's probably a combination of a few dozen things – in particular that if you back out to go set up a recording or something while watching LiveTV TV in TiVO you wont lose your ringbuffer and can jump back in where you left off without having to tell it to do anythign special. (Now, having a miniplayer keep that going in Myth would help that)

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dustybin:

iamlindoro hours spent on IRC: 2302592359.3

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RyeBrye:

Obviously, I'm not in #TiVo – so I've picked which featureset I prefer :)

[20:57:50]

iamlindoro:

Weird, that's the same number of times dustybin has said useless crap

[20:58:00]

sphery:

but that's after the 64-bit unsigned long rolled over

[20:58:23]

meshe:

livetv is overrated

[20:58:25]

iamlindoro:

sphery: I hear Tivo is 64 bit, but I can overlook that ;)

[20:58:32]

sphery:

heh

[20:58:37]

wagnerrp:

youve been using IRC for the last 260k years? impressive!

[20:59:42]

meshe:

btw sphery, your response wasn't belittling, his was and it went downhill from there

[20:59:55]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again

[20:59:56]

meshe:

IMHO

[21:00:14]

wagnerrp:

i know thats a quote from something

[21:00:18]

wagnerrp:

ive heard it before

[21:00:19]

iamlindoro:

Since I took this post from the iamlindoro before me, and he took it from the iamlindoro before him

[21:00:21]

RyeBrye:

wait? my response was belittling or something on the users list was belittling?

[21:00:32]

sphery:

meshe: thanks for saying so... If I had belittled him, I really want to understand how/what I said to do so.

[21:00:38]

wagnerrp:

well that sounds like the princess bride

[21:00:53]

wagnerrp:

the dread pirate iamlindoro

[21:00:59]

sphery:

matrix?

[21:01:01]

iamlindoro:

Yarrrrrrr

[21:01:03]

sphery:

(III)

[21:01:04]

meshe:

"I do not think it means what you think it means"

[21:01:15]

iamlindoro:

Not actually quoting anything with that last one, but the first was BSG :)

[21:01:22]

sphery:

ahhh

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iamlindoro:

Heh, so I did six months worth of recycling this morning, wonder if the office as wondering why I smell like stale beer

[21:02:29]

iamlindoro:

79 pounds of aluminum!

[21:02:36]

meshe:

geeze

[21:02:45]

meshe:

drink much?

[21:02:47]

wagnerrp:

6 months of recycling? you dont have weekly pickup?

[21:02:51]

iamlindoro:

It's Mine + the office recycling

[21:03:06]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Saved up and cashed it in for charity

[21:03:22]

iamlindoro:

meshe: I don't actually drink much at all (well, LOTS of diet soda)

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iamlindoro:

I raise money for cancer research, so this is one of those things I do twice a year and get to spend a few weeks remembering what the garage looks like under all those cans

[21:04:18]

meshe:

sphery: yeah, if someone has to start a statement with "No offence, but..." they just should ^H^H^H... the whole thing

[21:04:30]

sphery:

heh

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[21:04:51]

meshe:

again, IMHO

[21:05:08]

iamlindoro:

meshe: He has a history of that kind of behavior, too

[21:05:10]

wagnerrp:

someone open up a new aluminium mine? scrap aluminium is down to about 1/3 what it was last summer

[21:05:31]

iamlindoro:

I got $1.65 a pound

[21:05:35]

meshe:

iamlindoro just busted the market!

[21:05:38]

iamlindoro:

heh

[21:06:03]

wagnerrp:

well heres a site listing ~$0.48/lb

[21:06:05]

iamlindoro:

20 bajillion diet Dr. Pepper and Coke Zero cans

[21:06:47]

meshe:

we had about 2 years worth when we moved out of our last house (big shed in the back yard) almost paid for the moving truck

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cynicismic:

evening all

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iamlindoro:

It's definitely a gross experience, going to the metal yard, though

[21:07:17]

iamlindoro:

sorting + unsavory folks

[21:07:43]

meshe:

we have recycling depots that take just bottles and cans for 5–10 cents each

[21:08:17]

cynicismic:

i'm having a wierd issue with my frontend.. whilst watching tv on channel change, it seems to play at 75% speed, increase the speed and it's fine

[21:08:26]

wagnerrp:

i wonder what the recycling rates are...

[21:08:44]

cynicismic:

any ideas?

[21:08:45]

wagnerrp:

... between areas that pay you, but you have to sort it, and areas that have free recycling pickup

[21:08:49]

iamlindoro:

Locally, to unload that many you really have to take it someplace where they take it by the pound... not sure how the price breakdown works in the end, but when the truckbed is filled with bags of cans, you just kind of want them to go away :)

[21:08:52]

meshe:

we pay 5–10 cents on purchase

[21:09:19]

meshe:

5 for pop, 10 for beer

[21:11:00]

iamlindoro:

Nice to have the space in the garage to work on the motorcycle, though, it's been surrounded by a wall of cans for months :)

[21:11:18]

wagnerrp:

no compactor?

[21:11:33]

iamlindoro:

Nope

[21:12:13]

gbee:

we pay for collection and partially sort

[21:13:17]

meshe:

somehow, pay for recycling collection doesn't seem like it would work that well unless it was forcibly included with garbage collection fees

[21:13:29]

gbee:

council provide three bins – Blue for plastics & metal, Brown for card, kitchen and garden waste, Black for the rest

[21:13:44]

gbee:

meshe: aye ^^

[21:13:46]

iamlindoro:

yeah, same here

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wagnerrp:

we have collection with the garbage, but i dont know if we pay extra for it

[21:14:20]

wagnerrp:

just one bin for general recycling

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gbee:

newspaper/paper is left out in a plastic bag and collected the same day

[21:15:01]

meshe:

we just pay for it in our taxes: garbage, recycling, water...

[21:15:21]

gbee:

there is also a collection for clothing/rags, doesn't get much use though

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, sphery, email away

[21:40:38]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Now you'll get yelled at because you haven't committed anything to the *scheduler* ;)

[21:40:44]

** kormoc laughs **

[21:41:19]

kormoc:

I'll svn rm and svn revert so it looks like I commited everything!

[21:41:44]

iamlindoro:

"Kormoc should know, he committed every line of the scheduler personally."

[21:41:46]

sphery:

I'm confused...

[21:41:57]

sphery:

new e-mail? to the -users list?

[21:42:08]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i dont see it either

[21:44:14]

** kormoc laughs **

[21:44:22]

kormoc:

whoops, held for moderator approval

[21:44:32]

iamlindoro:

That offensive, eh?

[21:44:38]

sphery:

wow...

[21:44:52]

sphery:

you're right, kormoc, you are mean lately if they're holding your e-mails :)

[21:44:55]

iamlindoro:

Probably shouldn't have opened with "Look, c**ksucker..."

[21:45:05]

** kormoc laughs **

[21:45:23]

sphery:

kormoc: did you sign up and click the link in the "yes I want to sign up" e-mail?

[21:45:27]

wagnerrp:

does the mailer automatically hold upon vulgarity or something?

[21:45:42]

sphery:

I'm guessing it's because he just re-signed up for -users list

[21:45:57]

kormoc:

Yeah, I totally sent it as the wrong user

[21:46:11]

sphery:

kormoc: you can do as justinh does and sign up for -users and--when you don't feel like reading it--disable delivery

[21:46:18]

sphery:

ah... been there, done that

[21:46:20]

kormoc:

I signed up as mythtv-users at my domain rather then kormoc at google mail

[21:46:39]

sphery:

can't have that... people would be able to track you down :)

[21:47:38]

sphery:

the suspense is killing me

[21:47:45]

kormoc:

Indeed, when I sell mythtv and not release my code changes!

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sphery:

you do realize that there are no themes that people would be willing to pay for ;)

[21:48:18]

sphery:

you'll need to make one with videos of fire

[21:49:27]

iamlindoro:

FIYAH!

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iamlindoro:

It's visual communication, you know

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sphery:

my babblefish is stuck on that one...

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iamlindoro:

(Flash)

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sphery:

ahhh

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Fi-ur

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iamlindoro:

Fire

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iamlindoro:

Flaming flames, out the side of my head

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sphery:

yeah, took a while

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iamlindoro:

And that's right, I just quoted Clue, WHAT?

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sphery:

I thought it was an initialism...

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iamlindoro:

"That's right, I did it. I killed Yvette. I hated her... SO MUCH... it was flaming, flames, FLAMES... on the side of my face... heaving breaths, heaving... "

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sphery:

is this a movie?

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iamlindoro:

Clue! Starring everyone famous, EVER!

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iamlindoro:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088930/

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iamlindoro:

And is ri-freakin-diculously funny and fun

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sphery:

I have to say I didn't have a clue (nor did I see one)

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iamlindoro:

Based on the board game

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sphery:

I'll have to watch for that--or set Myth to watch for it

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iamlindoro:

Comedy Central plays it from time to time, but dunno about OTA stuff

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gizmobay:

When I start LiveTV for the first time from the main menu, I don't get any channel info through a popup. I cahnge the channel and then I get it. Is anyone else seeing this?

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wagnerrp:

ah... theres the line, so who did you kill?

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sphery:

yeah, maybe I'll find it at redbox one day (in their redbox Replay)...

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sphery:

I'm starting to think kormoc needs to send us a preview of his message...

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt say 'everyone famous'

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sphery:

that re-signing up is taking forever

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wagnerrp:

the only people i really recognized in that movie were Tim Curry and Christopher Lloyd

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wagnerrp:

and Madeline Kahn is your a Mel Brooks fan

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wagnerrp:

s/is/if/

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sphery:

don't dream, it's over

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sphery:

(that won't make any sense if you have your join/quit messages hidden--or if you don't know '80's music)

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gbee:

who doesn't know Crowded House?

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** gbee puts together a Crowded House, Finn Brothers and Neil Finn playlist **

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at0m|c:

i know them. they make me cry

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** at0m|c rnus **

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at0m|c:

runs!

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sphery:

everyone /should/ know Crowded House, but those youngsters, today...

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wagnerrp:

never heard of 'em

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wagnerrp:

and after listening to a couple, ive never heard any of their songs either

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at0m|c:

anywhere you go, always take Crowded House!

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gbee:

#6484: mythtv-setup: Allow --help options without an X server << Could have sworn I'd fixed that already ...

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at0m|c:

s/crowded house/the weather

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gbee:

even more confused that mattwire is referencing a patch for mythfrontend/mythbackend, because I _know_ I fixed those already

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sphery:

gbee: may have changed in the channel-scanner commit if you did (and I know you did it in mythbackend)... It also has a little fix for channel scanner, too

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gbee:

some people lead very sheltered lives, musically speaking

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sphery:

technically for option parsing when no arguments follow --scan* arguments

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sphery:

Yeah, it's like wagnerrp never left his crowded house to explore the world of music...

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henkie_:

hi, i have a tuner setup which is reported as unavailable. it is readable by the mythtv user, and i can play from it with mplayer

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wagnerrp:

or... i could just be avoiding bad 80s music

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sphery:

I wonder if he's heard the Sixpence None the Richer cover of Don't Dream It's Over

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gbee:

I can forgive someone not being aware of the solo careers of the Finns, but to have never heard Crowded House or their work, trying to decide if that's a ban-able offence ;)

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henkie_:

how does mythtv determine if a tuner is available? the tuner is setup on a slave backend

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sphery:

henkie_: if MythTV isn't using it for something, it's available :)

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wagnerrp:

if its not in use, then its available

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wagnerrp:

mythtv expects dedicated hardware

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sphery:

henkie_: in other words, MythTV expects exclusive access to tuners

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gbee:

and describing Crowded House as bad given the real rubbish which came out of the 80s ... well ...

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sphery:

and wagnerrp types faster than me

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henkie_:

well, it is available, no processes have it open

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sphery:

henkie_: what error are you getting?

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henkie_:

if i check in the Information Center, it reports tuner2 is unavailable (/dev/video1)

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henkie_:

i do have a 32bit master backend and a 64 bit slave backend

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henkie_:

same version of mythtv tho

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sphery:

henkie_: that typically means that the remote backend failed to connect to the master backend

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sphery:

so, though the /device/ may be available, it's useless to Myth as Myth can't tell the remote backend to use it to record something

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sphery:

look at your remote backend logs for the error that shows why it's not connecting

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sphery:

and/or restart your remote backend

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henkie_:

sphery, it says "adding: tdq64 as a client (events: 1)"

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sphery:

henkie_: client would be mythfrontend... should say, "adding: tdq64 as a slave backend server"

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henkie_:

and 'MainServer: HandleRemoteEncoder(cmd GET_STATE) Unknown encoder: 2' hmm

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henkie_:

ok, where do i specify this? in mythtv-setup?

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sphery:

which system ssaid unknown encoder? the master or remote backend?

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 to fix your capture card/video source config

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sphery:

you can likely just do the capture card portions

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sphery:

note that you need to delete all capture cards, then define new capture cards for each system

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sphery:

i.e. using mythtv-setup on the master backend, define its local capture cards

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sphery:

then using it on the remote backend, define its local capture cards

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sphery:

and then connect inputs in order from most-preferred input to least-preferred input

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henkie_:

hmm

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henkie_:

i feel stupid :)

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sphery:

did you fix it?

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sphery:

if so, that's all that counts--not what broke it in the first place :)

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henkie_:

entered the wrong ip address for the slave backend :)

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henkie_:

been at the same screen for atleast 10 times :)

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sphery:

yeah, ip addresses are pretty important

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henkie_:

tnx tho!

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sphery:

enjoy

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meshe:

do people just use slave backends for more pci slots?

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meshe:

haven't seen the point of one yet

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jams:

meshe- yes thats the big draw. Also used to offload commflagging jobs.

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GreyFoxx:

storage, comflgging, pci slots, and so on

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** meshe nods **

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meshe:

comflagging and pci makes sense, i wouldn't see myself firing up another box for storage though

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GreyFoxx:

yeah well you couldn't get 1+tb drives when many of us started using this stuff :)

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jams:

got that right

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meshe:

true, for storage it makes less sense nowadays

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jams:

don't even think sata was out

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jams:

so 4 drives and your done (in a typical system)

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jams:

well 3 because one of those is the optical drive

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GreyFoxx:

these days I use a single storage system, previously I had seperate raid sets for it

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GreyFoxx:

but for me the slave is more for pci slots than anything now

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meshe:

i want one of these, but not at the price: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=37791&v . . . facture=Data Robotics Inc.

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meshe:

er: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=37791

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jams:

oh well think i'm going to take the urc-r50(remote) back. It's got some nice features, but some real annoying ones.

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jams:

big fan of URC but they missed the boat with this remote.

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GreyFoxx:

meshe: yeah a cheap pc with some pci sata cards is MUCH cheaper

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** gbee overdoses on Crowded House and decides to lie down for a while **

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meshe:

GreyFoxx: true

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meshe:

gig card for LAN

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jams:

GreyFoxx- how was the cruise?

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GreyFoxx:

many mb's have 4 sata slots, and onboard gigabit. and 1 or 2 4 port sata cards and you are goldend

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GreyFoxx:

jams: awesome..... It was just great

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jams:

good, hopefully you didn' get to sun burnt

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GreyFoxx:

nah, got a good tan

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GreyFoxx:

lots of snorkeling, lots of fun :)

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jams:

time to head out, will be back later.

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GreyFoxx:

later

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henkie_:

can i also use WOL to start the slave server?

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henkie_:

i see a wake command, but i do not know which parameters it requires

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henkie_:

ah, command goes for all the slaves i see

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Have you upgraded to Ubuntu 9.10? If you did then do you use SPDIF passthrough for AC3 output?

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iamlindoro:

9.04, but yes and yes, works okay here

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RDV_Linux:

I just upgraded this morning and I cannot get AC3 (2 or 6 channel) to play. PCM is fine. This is with pulseaudio enabled or killed.

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iamlindoro:

Hmm... yeah, definitely working okay here

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RDV_Linux:

I usually have pulseaudio dislayed (of course). Do you have an ASUS mobo?

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RDV_Linux:

s/dislayed/disabled/

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iamlindoro:

One Asus, one Gigabyte, neither with an issue

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RDV_Linux:

Back to the drawing board. Thanks

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frogonwheels_:

iamlindoro: you using 9.04 (presumably)? do you have any glitches in playback?

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iamlindoro:

Like I just said, yes I am using 9.04, and no.

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iamlindoro:

But I also don't use packaged myth, so...

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RDV_Linux:

frogonwheels: In the little testing I have done so far I thought I saw more stutters in mythvideo and some in mplayer. I had no mplayer stutters before today.

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frogonwheels_:

iamlindoro: yeah.. I'm getting video only stutters on my myth playback. audio is fine.

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frogonwheels_:

iamlindoro: The stuttering is no worse with a full kernel build going on in the background .. so it's not just a cpu thing.

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frogonwheels_:

iamlindoro: hmm.. so you build your own.. from svn?

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blackest:

is it quiet in here or is it just me

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: FYI – Fixed the AC3 issue, the only problem is that I do not know what I did to fix it. Just moving on.

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