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Sunday, April 19th, 2009, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:13] Captain_Murdoch: 4-line comment for a 2-line iptables command.
[00:00:28] rooau1: Very wise.
[00:00:29] Captain_Murdoch: 2 lines because I used a \ at the end of the first so it would fit onscreen. :)
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[00:38:26] thedarkone: anyone use dvi ?
[00:39:52] iamlindoro: Many thousands of people
[00:39:56] iamlindoro: Millions, even
[00:42:03] oobe: heh
[00:42:07] thedarkone: well i mean in here i am tring to get mine to work
[00:42:17] thedarkone: all i get is -------------- on screen
[00:43:01] oobe: are you using dvi >> hdmi or dvi >> dvi
[00:43:12] thedarkone: yes dvi to hemi
[00:43:21] oobe: what sort of tv
[00:43:39] thedarkone: brand new vizio 47 inch
[00:43:42] thedarkone: lcd
[00:43:51] iamlindoro: If the TV side is HDMI, it will only support the HDMI supported resolutions
[00:44:44] oobe: yes you need read you tv manual and see what resolutions it supports then try googling for some sample xorg.conf then modify your own
[00:45:32] ** iamlindoro is very grateful both his display devices have actual DVI **
[00:45:34] oobe: if your using nvidia drivers you could try running nvidia-xconfig
[00:45:48] thedarkone: is hdmi res 1080i
[00:46:00] oobe: somtimes
[00:46:51] thedarkone: well should of stuck with component
[00:46:52] thedarkone: lol
[00:47:08] iamlindoro: That's right, when times get tough, quitting is the answer
[00:47:10] oobe: iamlindoro, someone on ubuntu forums has made a very impressive script that does thetvdb and imdb respectively with loads of options
[00:47:29] iamlindoro: oobe, We have our own impressive script with TVDB and TMDB ;)
[00:47:38] oobe: nice
[00:48:10] oobe: "We" meaning developers and trunk fork users?
[00:48:12] iamlindoro: Besides, there's a fairly largish patch waiting to go into MythVideo that will drastically improve Television organization there
[00:48:20] iamlindoro: trunk isn't a fork :)
[00:48:24] iamlindoro: trunk is trunk
[00:48:29] oobe: i know
[00:48:39] oobe: i mean trunk that has been forked
[00:48:44] oobe: and yet to be merged
[00:48:49] iamlindoro: Trunk has not been forked TTBOMK
[00:49:02] oobe: ok
[00:49:36] iamlindoro: Perhaps you mean a branch-- and no, it's not in a seperate branch, just a series of patches waiting to get committed
[00:49:46] iamlindoro: Should be soonish
[00:50:08] oobe: i would like to be able to download meta data from inside mythvideo using the m or i key then selecting a grabber is this somthing that could be happening in the patch
[00:50:21] oobe: iamlindoro, yeah branch sounds right
[00:50:31] oobe: i knew i wasnt using correct term
[00:51:05] iamlindoro: The patch adds support for season, episode, and subtitle tracking. There's also a TVDB grabber. When the Season and episode are set, it will automatically download using TVDB. Otherwise it will download using TMDB
[00:51:20] iamlindoro: It also parses imported files to find and uatomatically set season, episode, and subtitle
[00:51:38] oobe: this sounds sweet
[00:51:51] iamlindoro: So "Lost 4x15 – whatever.mpg" would be parse as "Lost" for the Title, Season 4, episode 15, and "Whatever" as the subtitle
[00:52:01] oobe: what happens to shows that are only on ragetv could i still use your script
[00:52:25] iamlindoro: What shows are only on RageTV and not on TVDB?
[00:52:40] iamlindoro: whomever runs into them should add them to TVDB
[00:52:43] oobe: some shows that are austalian that i add myself
[00:53:01] oobe: i added a few cause i use your script
[00:53:15] iamlindoro: You should start adding your shows to TVDVB-- RageTV is closed, TVDB is open, with an API
[00:53:19] iamlindoro: it's where everything is going
[00:53:28] oobe: i only just started using thetvdb and it is more rich than rage but i am yet to add the small amounts its missing
[00:53:53] iamlindoro: To answer your question, no, the old script is incompatible with the new functionality
[00:53:53] oobe: i will get round to it soon
[00:54:18] oobe: oh ok
[00:54:20] iamlindoro: Since the ability to handle all of it is being moved into MythTV, I feel strongly that people should start contributing to TVDB
[00:54:57] oobe: yeah ok been a while since we spoke about this last time you said you had a rage script for trunk
[00:55:16] iamlindoro: No, I said the rage script was made obsolete by my work for trunk :)
[00:55:26] iamlindoro: Which is still true-- the patch adding the functionlity is by me
[00:55:34] oobe: but i cant see a problem with this at all i think tvdb is better and will break less plus generally has better metadata
[00:55:48] oobe: nice work
[00:56:13] iamlindoro: also have added fanart/banner/coverart support to MythVideo, which the TVDB support uses
[00:56:22] iamlindoro: Let me see if I've got a video
[00:56:46] oobe: sounds great
[00:57:26] iamlindoro: http://www.fecitfacta.com/tvepsupport.ogg
[00:59:57] iamlindoro: rage doesn't have any of the rich metadata that TVDB has, it lacks the openness, it requires parsing instead of having an API like TVDb.. it's just a mass, I'm happy to see it go
[01:00:01] iamlindoro: er just a mess
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[01:02:41] iamlindoro: And never again having to update the script because the site locked you out is a nice thing :)
[01:13:22] oobe: nice work man that video is very promising this is exactly how i want it to be
[01:13:57] iamlindoro: ;)
[01:14:13] iamlindoro: Seems there's a lot of interest in it, lots of people using it already
[01:14:25] iamlindoro: Anyhoo, hoping to see it committed soon
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[01:14:53] oobe: i guess a few years back mythtv users didnt need as much metadata support but rips are much more common place same as hd space getting bigger
[01:15:32] oobe: where can i download and apply the patches
[01:15:53] iamlindoro: They're in trac, and only for trunk
[01:15:56] oobe: is that theme in trunk or do i have to get it from somewhere else
[01:16:26] iamlindoro: Search "Season episode" for the Season/Episode/Subtitle patch, and "TVDB" for the TVDB grabber-- note that there is *no* support from me or anyone else on these things until they hit trunk
[01:16:40] iamlindoro: and that there is a real possibility that the DB changes that go into trunk will be different
[01:16:49] iamlindoro: meaning you could end up with a hosed DB if you don't know how to fix it
[01:17:06] oobe: this is how i would do it
[01:17:07] iamlindoro: Which is my long way of saying that I *strongly* recommend waiting a week or two for it to hit trunk :)
[01:17:24] oobe: i have a partition for OS testing
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[01:17:37] oobe: it currently has a fresh beta install
[01:17:42] oobe: with now myth
[01:17:47] oobe: so i would install it there
[01:17:50] iamlindoro: oobe, Like I said, they're in trac, you're free to play all you like, but I cannot and will not answer *any* questions about it
[01:17:52] oobe: play with it
[01:18:05] oobe: then boot back into my stable partition
[01:20:16] oobe: found it http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . 4.12.09.diff
[01:20:23] iamlindoro: No, that's not it
[01:20:48] iamlindoro: You should read the ticket to see what it is
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[01:22:08] oobe: export functionality
[01:22:19] iamlindoro: Which is not at all Season/Episode/Subtitle support
[01:22:31] oobe: yeah lol
[01:23:13] iamlindoro: Once again, all of this will eventually find its way into trunk, and I truly do appreciate your enthusiasm, but I really think it would be a good idea to wait for it to get committed
[01:23:32] iamlindoro: It will *not* be that long
[01:23:57] oobe: yeah i have everthing nice on my box
[01:24:15] oobe: it does a lot and i plan to switch to 64bit soon so i have to do it all again
[01:25:10] oobe: what my point is is that usually i dont like to mess with things but since i will be soon anyway i can afford to try
[01:25:17] iamlindoro: Anduin, if you're about, is this a "working weekend," or a "MythTV weekend?" (Or the elusive third "real life weekend")
[01:25:48] iamlindoro: oobe, OK, but I am extracting a promise from you that you will ask *no* questions about it, because I don't want to appear rude when I refuse to answer them
[01:27:05] oobe: iamlindoro, thats ok its not urgent i get to try it i am just curious and wont waste your time
[01:27:15] iamlindoro: ok, sounds good
[01:27:19] oobe: if i need to find out things i use google
[01:28:20] oobe: im happy your doing all of this though
[01:28:31] oobe: and appreciate your good work
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[01:44:13] oobe: trunk already has vdpau support doesnt it its just the current version that does not but can be patched
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[02:07:47] oobe: iamlindoro, Hunk #2 succeeded at 886 (offset 25 lines). is this bad normally i dont see this message
[02:08:09] oobe: it says succeeded so i think it might be ok
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[02:10:02] iamlindoro: oobe, Took you less than an hour to break your promise not to ask questions about it
[02:10:17] oobe: ok
[02:10:28] oobe: dw
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[02:37:54] rahul: Convert “Youtube videos to mp3″ http://techbuddha.blog.co.in/2009/04/18/conve . . . deos-to-mp3/
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[02:40:40] iamlindoro: *yawn*
[02:40:51] iamlindoro: Whenever I want to *listen to* some videos, I'll get right on that
[02:41:52] opello: heh, i have a shell script that does that, there is/was a fair amount of music on youtube with junk videos
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[02:45:01] iamlindoro: Poor rahul
[02:45:20] kormoc: Drive by linking is just bad form and he's done it in the past
[02:46:02] iamlindoro: I was being facetious :)
[02:46:09] kormoc: heh
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[02:49:57] iamlindoro: Wonder what the policy should be on the wiki about new scripts that scrape IMDB
[02:50:30] iamlindoro: This script also does horrible things with images that will make no sense in .22
[02:50:46] iamlindoro: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fill_mythvideo_metadata.pl
[02:50:51] iamlindoro: Check out the screen shots on that bad boy
[02:51:13] iamlindoro: If those are the showcase screenshots, wonder what got thrown out
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[03:39:49] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro: That perl script (Fill mythvideo metadata.pl) you linked to does some of the things that Jamu does. I guess choice is a good thing. Interesting that two new scripts show up in the same week doing some of the same things.
[03:40:18] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux, It does it in a very broken way that will only work with .21
[03:41:11] RDV_Linux: I will start modifying Jamu to adapt better to the changes to tmdb.pl in track.
[03:41:46] iamlindoro: I'd wait to see if it gets committed
[03:41:59] iamlindoro: There's disagreement about which is the best way, ultimately it'll be up to Anduin
[03:42:45] RDV_Linux: I thought Anduin wrote the patch so ot was a shoe in to be accepted.
[03:43:02] iamlindoro: If anduin writes a patch, it gets committed, not put in trac :)
[03:43:04] RDV_Linux: s/ot/it/
[03:44:03] RDV_Linux: I though trac was just uncommitted tickets. Then what is trac?
[03:44:37] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux, people with commit access don't need to put things in tickets
[03:44:42] iamlindoro: They just commit their changes
[03:45:06] iamlindoro: trac is a way of a) visualizing SVN and changesets, b) reporting bugs, and c) for people who are not devs to contribute patches
[03:45:47] RDV_Linux: Basically like me?
[03:45:56] iamlindoro: you, me, many others
[03:46:06] RDV_Linux: Gotcha
[03:46:39] Lexridge: Does anyone know how well MythTV works under CentOS v5.3? I'm seriously considering switching to that dist. I'm tired of 18 month life cycles for my Fedora OS.
[03:46:49] Dagmar: hahaha
[03:48:59] Dagmar: BTW, find (and pretty much everything else) can't easily convert a relative path to an absolute one because well, insane people can make hardlinks that can cause a file to have more than one absolute path (beyond just symlinks)
[03:49:02] Dagmar: wrong chna
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[07:19:58] Shadow__X1: anyone have cablevision
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[11:28:01] jarle: During a failed recording I see a lot of "PESPacket: Failed CRC check 0x9b213013 != 0xc77eb902 for StreamID = 0x70" in the backend log. Does this indicate non-working decrypting, or could it be something else?
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[12:02:47] gbee_: stream corruption more likely
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[12:13:40] gumpert345: hi, does someone know, when there will be s2api support in mythtv? with 0.22 maybe?
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[12:21:11] gbee: 0.22
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[12:30:19] K-A-R-R[NL]: Where i can download linux
[12:30:23] K-A-R-R[NL]: im new to this
[12:31:39] gbee: http://www.mythbuntu.org or http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html
[12:31:49] AndyCap: K-A-R-R[NL]: use mythdora, mythbuntu or knoppmyth?
[12:32:04] orly_owl: K-A-R-R[NL]: http://fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/index
[12:32:57] AndyCap: K-A-R-R[NL]: what do you plan to do with it? hardware and tv source?
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[13:07:06] gbee: orly_owl: he's better off with an all in one
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[13:13:11] K-A-R-R[NL]: ye but i got one already
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[13:13:55] K-A-R-R: @andyCap im planning to make on for my parents :p
[13:14:09] K-A-R-R: sys specs:
[13:14:32] K-A-R-R: Intel Pentirum 4 3.Oghz DualCore :P
[13:14:38] K-A-R-R: ATI Radeon 9800XT
[13:15:01] K-A-R-R: Happauge WinTV 150 with the blaster :p
[13:15:14] K-A-R-R: Pinnacle 110i tvcard
[13:15:14] K-A-R-R: :P
[13:15:38] K-A-R-R: a supersilence zalman cooler with speedregulator
[13:15:39] K-A-R-R: :P
[13:16:04] K-A-R-R: Happauge WinTV 150 with the IR blaster :p
[13:16:11] K-A-R-R: had a typo :P
[13:16:25] K-A-R-R: and for my Compaq IPAQ 3630 PDA
[13:16:41] K-A-R-R: this too :p
[13:16:47] K-A-R-R: .afk
[13:16:50] K-A-R-R: going to install ;p
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[13:26:40] oobe: i cut the ads out of all of my recordings but there is this one show that everytime i do it keeps the original seek table and i have to rebuild it
[13:26:44] oobe: every time
[13:26:52] oobe: i wonder why that is
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[13:43:09] oobe: when i try to compile trunk i get this error http://pastebin.com/d12aac24f does this make sense to anyone
[13:48:41] Hoxzer: ^_^ Are you even a coder? If not you shouldn't use trunk unless you don't really need to.
[13:50:49] oobe: thanks Hoxzer
[13:51:00] oobe: i have seen the errors of my ways
[13:51:06] oobe: problem is as good as solved
[14:03:18] orly_owl: gbee: He asked for linux.
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[14:04:52] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro: Have you checked out the mythvideo filter search patch from Markus Schulz #6470? I just tried the version 2 of the patch and like it with the exceptions I commented on within the ticket. Now the version 3 of his patch may have issues as he added a new field to the database schema. Will that database change conflict with your tickets?
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[14:12:04] ** mzb wonders where the fine line between #mythtv-users and #mythtv-dev has been drawn. **
[14:18:03] RDV_Linux: mzb: Was that comment directed at my question to iamlindoro? I would not be offended either way. I found that trunk related information if often discussed here.
[14:20:07] mzb: yes it was, and I feel the same way. However, given that I've had a few beers and that many newbies get castrated for asking the wrong question in either # I thought I'd make a small point. No offence intended.
[14:20:46] mzb: *hic* ;)
[14:20:51] iamlindoro: Discussion on user submitted tickets not committed belongs here IMO
[14:21:17] mzb: ah ... there's the definition of the fine line I was after ;)
[14:21:34] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux, Haven't used it, don't have enough files that it interests me (ie I know where to find everything :) )
[14:21:53] ** mzb notes that user submitted tickets are not dev-related **
[14:22:18] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux, both of your comments are unrelated to his patch, though
[14:22:44] ** mzb waits for his neurones to make sense of that before someone else does **
[14:22:53] iamlindoro: the firsts is a misunderstanding of how the patch command works, the second is a (known) thing about the new MythUI keyboard
[14:23:27] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux, As I recall there is an option to disable the MythUI keyboard so that you can just type
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[14:28:40] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro: Thanks, I just found and disabled it the OSD keyboard. For me I like the version 2 of the patch, It is a nice enhancement.
[14:29:16] iamlindoro: As to the DB change, it ought to be in a seperate patch IMO bu some people seem to care about add date (I do not)
[14:29:32] iamlindoro: so we'll see what becomes of it
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[15:13:19] dashs: Need to restore db but cannot log into mysql — do I need to completely rebuild mysql?
[15:13:42] kormoc: Talk with your distro provider
[15:15:01] dashs: I guess mythbuntu is not your distro provider.
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[15:49:35] ksool: Anyone know why I'd see "mythfrontend[4813]: segfault at 6f732e4c ip 6f732e4c sp bfd99fcc error 4" after upgrading to xorg-1.5.3?
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[15:51:58] wagnerrp: those are addresses, and completely meaningless unless you actually have a copy of the local memory
[15:52:10] wagnerrp: any number of things could be causing you to segfault
[15:52:27] wagnerrp: are you segfaulting immediately on startup?
[15:53:33] ksool: I was hoping the "error 4" or the xorg-1.5.3 might be helpful. The logs not really. http://pastebin.ca/1396540
[15:54:03] wagnerrp: the segfault message is next to worthless unless you have a full stack trace
[15:55:26] ksool: Okay, I assume I'd need to have it compiled with debugging to get that, correct?
[15:55:39] wagnerrp: yeah
[15:55:47] wagnerrp: you can try running with '-v all'
[15:55:48] ksool: Alrighty, will do that. Thanks.
[15:56:02] wagnerrp: should give more indication of what its doing prior to failure
[15:56:35] wagnerrp: if it is a conflict with xorg, recompiling may be enough to fix it
[15:57:43] oobe: wagnerrp, does this mean anything to you http://pastebin.com/d12aac24f
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[15:58:02] ksool: Here it is with '-v all': http://pastebin.ca/1396542
[15:58:19] ksool: Already tried recompiling myth, drivers, etc.
[15:59:01] kormoc: oobe, yes, you're missing the libxv bits. Also known as you likely shouldn't be using trunk
[15:59:24] oobe: kormoc, thanks
[15:59:27] wagnerrp: oobe: make cannot find libXv.so.something..., see if that file exists, and figure out why configure did not add it
[16:01:08] oobe: you both answer me at once no one was around b4
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[16:19:25] oobe: wagnerrp, /usr/lib/libXv.so.1
[16:19:26] oobe: /usr/lib/libXv.so.1.0.0
[16:19:26] oobe: these exist
[16:19:48] oobe: so i guess i need to ./configure --some-options
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[16:21:09] ChinoChano: hi huys
[16:21:13] ChinoChano: guys*
[16:21:45] ChinoChano: i ve been trying to sort out my problems with mythtv, but couldn t find a "complete" user s guide...
[16:21:54] ChinoChano: which one did you use?
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[16:22:36] oobe: ChinoChano, there is loads of documentation on top of the official documentation
[16:23:44] oobe: best bet http://www.mythtv.org/docs/
[16:24:16] ChinoChano: that s what i found...
[16:25:16] ChinoChano: guess it should be under Configuring mythfrontend section
[16:25:35] oobe: no one will answer you question unless its specific
[16:25:35] kormoc: Given you haven't actually said your problem, it's a little hard to guide you anywhere to solve it
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[16:26:30] ChinoChano: it s not a "problem": i am trying to "hide" movies from Video Section:
[16:26:51] ChinoChano: if I apply the B filter (browsable) some won t appear while in browse mode,
[16:27:07] ChinoChano: oops, wrong:
[16:27:26] ChinoChano: they won t appear in gallery mode, but will appear in browse mode (even trying B or not B flag)
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[16:27:39] ChinoChano: i don t wan them to appear, can t sort it out with the fileter thing
[16:27:51] ChinoChano: also, the srt files: i don t know how to handle them.
[16:28:10] ChinoChano: i have X.avi and X.srt in same folder. mythtv detects 2 movies
[16:28:30] ChinoChano: no way to "hide" subtitles, no way to load them (in mplayer it s ok but not with the player used there)
[16:28:43] ChinoChano: hitting T just tries to "move" the subs
[16:28:45] ChinoChano: ... :(
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[16:31:32] kormoc: turn off filesystem browse mode and scan for the files?
[16:31:44] kormoc: scanning shouldn't pick up the .srt files
[16:32:17] ChinoChano: how do you san? I mean: I added the folders where my movies are... was that STUPID? isn't it the way?
[16:32:41] ChinoChano: in the configuration, i set a path for scan movies... it scanned automatically...
[16:32:55] kormoc: there's multiple view modes. Browse is for direct filesystem view, then there's gallery and the others, those are only files that are scanned
[16:32:58] kormoc: you want one of the non-browse modes
[16:33:41] ChinoChano: "browse" is the one with big poster and text in the side, true? I'd like the browse mode then...
[16:33:50] ChinoChano: so i must switch to gallery mode?
[16:34:14] ChinoChano: even in gallery mode, movies in 2 parts appear together.
[16:35:49] kormoc: Because you have to set part2 to play after part 1 and hide part2 from the view
[16:37:37] jarle: my backend log keeps filling up with "TeletextDecoder: No Teletext Viewer defined!" Where should I define this??
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[16:51:15] tjcarter: Hi all, just wondering if anyone knows why after a time lirc (streamzap remote) doesn't actually work for several seconds?
[16:51:44] tjcarter: I'm wondering if something's going to sleep or lirc is getting paged out or something
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[17:01:44] cesman: ChinoChano: use the video manager
[17:02:04] gizmobay: When starting livetv, is there a way you can make it where myth shows what channel you're currently on. The source pops up but not the channel.
[17:02:43] cesman: ChinoChano: select the file and press 'm' (might be 'i', no infront of a system at the moment) and toggle Browseable
[17:10:14] tjcarter: arg, I can find people who have had the streamzap suddenly stop working, but not people who have lirc not respond after a period of inactivity (the receiver DOES respond)
[17:11:05] gizmobay: tjcarter, does the streamzap stop working when idle sometimes?
[17:11:20] tjcarter: I'm trying to find that out
[17:12:37] gizmobay: my current receiver does that and I was thinking of picking up a streamzap
[17:13:37] tjcarter: The receiver reacts to the remote
[17:14:01] tjcarter: But the driver doesn't react to it
[17:14:05] gizmobay: is it myth that hangs
[17:14:40] Shadow__X1: anyone have cablevision
[17:14:41] tjcarter: lircd I think
[17:15:50] gizmobay: will a restart of lirc fix it?
[17:19:04] tjcarter: it wakes up after a few seconds
[17:19:45] Dagmar: Serial IR reciever?
[17:20:05] tjcarter: USB
[17:20:24] Dagmar: Hmm... No idea then, but you should probably use ircat to test with and not MythTV
[17:20:28] Dagmar: Less complexity
[17:21:06] Dagmar: `ircat mythtv` or `ircat mythfrontend`, can't remember which program name it's data is indexed under
[17:21:57] tjcarter: I wasn't really testing it, I was asking whether someone else knew what it could be.
[17:22:12] Dagmar: Not unless they're psychic
[17:25:17] tank-man: could be anything, just keep guessing instead of looking at diagnostic info or logs :)
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[17:35:52] gbee: wish flash videos or sound wouldn't start automatically, especially annoying when I've left the volume cranked up
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[17:46:11] rockx0zone: can anyone help? i have mythtv hooked up to comcast's motorola cable box. i cant get my mythtv remote to change the channel
[17:47:19] rockx0zone: i guess i just dont get how it
[17:47:31] rockx0zone: s supposed to work and how im supposed to set up the backend....
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[17:50:12] dashs: I cannot understan how to use mythconverg_restore.pl
[17:50:55] dashs: I need to recreate the mythconverg tables how to use create_database?
[17:53:02] Dagmar: You do the thing mentioned in the installation documentation that involved running mysql < something.sql
[17:53:45] dashs: the option from the restore script doesn't seem to function, so I'll try that.
[17:56:24] dashs: I'm getting access denied. Is the root passwd in /etc/mysql/my.cnf (mythbuntu) ?
[17:56:37] Dagmar: It might be
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[17:59:36] gbee: rockx0zone: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Using_an_IR_Blaster_with_MythTV http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/LIRC#IR_Transmissi . . . om_MythTV.29
[17:59:42] dashs: there's one in debian.start
[17:59:47] dashs: there's one in debian.cnf
[18:00:06] dashs: Now I have no DB and can't create one.
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[18:06:19] Dagmar: Then you might want to read the installation documentation
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[18:11:17] dashs: Dagmar: I can log into mysql for mythconverg but am not allowed to redirect stdin to mysql.
[18:11:35] Dagmar: Sucks to be you then
[18:12:01] dashs: And sucks to have the steaming lump know as mythtv on yur face.
[18:12:14] Dagmar: Oh well, maybe you should try crayons then.
[18:12:43] dashs: Worst excuse for a product ....
[18:12:48] gizmobay: rockx0zone, do you have a blaster?
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[18:13:01] rockx0zone: yes
[18:13:07] Dagmar: dashb: You should absolutely ask for your money back
[18:13:17] rockx0zone: i actually had it working...and now when i go to change to a channel i get an error
[18:13:41] gizmobay: you getting a signal?
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[18:14:40] meshe: did we lose another myth user?
[18:14:44] gizmobay: what error?
[18:15:23] Dagmar: Not really
[18:15:56] gizmobay: When starting livetv, is there a way you can make it where myth shows what channel you're currently on. The source pops up but not the channel.
[18:16:47] Dagmar: *hinthint* http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html
[18:16:58] Dagmar: gizmobay: that wasn't directed at you
[18:17:07] gizmobay: okay, thanks
[18:17:37] Dagmar: I don't recall seeing any toggle for what you're asking about
[18:18:09] Dagmar: ...but it makes enough sense that you should probably submit a featuer request and hope someone doesn't say "LiveTV is for chumps"
[18:18:10] gizmobay: i couldn't remember if I saw one before
[18:18:28] Dagmar: I have mine set to just start on SciFi so it's a moot point
[18:18:34] gizmobay: okay, I'll add a request
[18:18:41] tjcarter: LiveTV is for chumps
[18:19:08] gizmobay: I have an IR blaster so I can't do that
[18:19:50] sphery: gizmobay: note that "submit a feature request" means on the wiki, not on Trac (the bug database)
[18:20:25] gizmobay: yes, I know. I was just about to add
[18:20:49] sphery: it's http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Feature_Wishlist if you're looking
[18:21:04] sphery: thanks (we've got plenty of tickets in Trac, already :)
[18:21:45] gizmobay: yeah, I avoid trac. Maybe three tickets in three years
[18:23:40] gbee: oh feck, ATi have decided my GPU is a legacy device now >:(
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[18:32:19] rockx0zone: what does this mean?
[18:32:36] rockx0zone: 2009-04–19 14:31:30.536 Channel(/dev/video0) Error: GetCurrentChannelNum(10 PUAC010): Failed to find Channel 2009-04–19 14:31:30.537 Channel(/dev/video0)::TuneTo(10 PUAC010): Error, failed to find channel. 2009-04–19 14:31:30.541 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 10 PUAC010. Reverting to kState_None
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[18:37:45] rockx0zone: nm i figured that out
[18:38:07] rockx0zone: when i click watch tv, a channel starts playing but i can
[18:38:08] rockx0zone: t change it
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[18:38:29] gizmobay: is the blaster sending a signal
[18:38:35] rockx0zone: it should be
[18:38:45] gizmobay: do you have one that lights up
[18:38:58] rockx0zone: no, i have the one that came withthe hauppauge 1600
[18:39:08] gizmobay: use a digital camera
[18:39:34] rockx0zone: would that cause me to get the
[18:39:51] rockx0zone: 'error encountered while displaying video' erro?
[18:39:57] rockx0zone: *error
[18:40:20] gizmobay: possible if it didn't change the channel
[18:40:41] gizmobay: use a digital camera to see if you're getting signal from the blaster
[18:40:58] rockx0zone: how do i do that?
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[18:41:48] gizmobay: just turn the camera on and hold the blaster to the lense and then look through the cameras LCD
[18:42:03] gizmobay: change the channel and you should see it light up
[18:43:47] rockx0zone: it didnt light up
[18:44:17] rockx0zone: how do i troubleshoot that
[18:44:33] Dagmar: By finding an electrician
[18:44:47] gizmobay: dmesg | grep lirc
[18:45:23] rockx0zone: [ 14.076294] lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, major 61 [ 14.218761] lirc_i2c: chip 0x10020 found @ 0x71 (Hauppauge PVR150) [ 14.218801] lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 10
[18:46:13] gizmobay: I use a serial blaster so I'm not sure what modules is needed
[18:46:23] rockx0zone: it HAS worked in the past
[18:46:23] gizmobay: mine uses lirc_serial
[18:46:26] rockx0zone: last night.
[18:46:41] rockx0zone: would installing a second hard drive cause any problems?
[18:46:51] Dagmar: If you unplugged osmething else, sure
[18:46:56] gizmobay: ps -A | grep lirc
[18:47:20] rockx0zone: i didnt physically install it last night, i just edited the fstab file to mount it on startup so i could use it
[18:47:49] rockx0zone: 2400 ? 00:05:08 lirc_dev 2451 ? 00:00:00 lircd
[18:48:48] gizmobay: I don't know if the PVR150 needs two instances of lirc running
[18:49:16] Dagmar: You probably want at least seven or eight of them going
[18:49:18] rockx0zone: the reciever and blaster plug into the back of the tuner card intoone hole
[18:49:20] Dagmar: Hundreds if you can.
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[18:51:19] wopi32: Hi everyone
[18:51:29] gizmobay: lsmod | grep lirc
[18:53:10] rockx0zone: lirc_pvr150 23344 0
[18:53:12] rockx0zone: ivtv 150340 1 lirc_pvr150
[18:53:14] rockx0zone: lirc_i2c 17028 1
[18:53:15] rockx0zone: lirc_dev 19892 2 lirc_pvr150,lirc_i2c
[18:53:45] rockx0zone: i just uunplugged the blaster/receiver cable and plugged it back in and it DID light up for a split second
[18:53:52] rockx0zone: but not when i change channels
[18:54:32] gizmobay: rmmod lirc_pvr150
[18:54:35] gizmobay: then
[18:54:42] gizmobay: modprobe lirc_pvr150
[18:54:46] gizmobay: any errors?
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[18:55:36] rockx0zone: i havent ran the second command yet, i got a segmentationj fault after i ran the first command
[18:56:01] gizmobay: try
[18:56:09] gizmobay: service lirc stop
[18:56:59] rockx0zone: failed
[18:57:14] gizmobay: sudo service lirc stop
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[18:57:30] rockx0zone: that worked
[18:57:44] gizmobay: sudo rmmod lirc_pvr150
[18:57:53] gizmobay: sudo modprobe lirc_pvr150
[18:58:19] rockx0zone: ERROR: Removing 'lirc_pvr150': Device or resource busy
[18:58:44] gizmobay: try
[18:58:46] gizmobay: sudo modprobe lirc_pvr150
[18:58:55] rockx0zone: WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/oss-compat, it will be ignored in a future release.
[18:59:05] rockx0zone: i am running this in putty, does that matter
[18:59:23] gizmobay: nah
[18:59:36] rockx0zone: because i get no output after WARNING
[18:59:39] rockx0zone: just sits there
[18:59:56] gizmobay: doesn't take you bak to the command prompt?
[19:00:03] rockx0zone: ahh, i had to hit enter
[19:00:05] rockx0zone: yes it does
[19:00:06] gizmobay: *back
[19:00:17] gizmobay: any error
[19:00:42] rockx0zone: i tried the command again, and this time when im hitting error its just entering blank lines
[19:00:46] rockx0zone: its not taking me back to the prompt
[19:00:53] rockx0zone: no output after warning
[19:00:54] gizmobay: what distro?
[19:00:59] rockx0zone: ubuntu
[19:01:09] gizmobay: 8.10?
[19:01:30] rockx0zone: 9.04 i could not get my nvidia card working on 8.10 for the life of me
[19:01:32] wopi32: Hey I made it! Finally I have some TV on my screen!
[19:02:02] wopi32: But still a question to ask – I assume this has been asked a few thousand times.
[19:02:10] gizmobay: you had the blaster working under 9.04?
[19:02:18] rockx0zone: yes it was working yesterday
[19:02:31] gizmobay: did you do any upgrades?
[19:02:56] rockx0zone: i did some upgrades last night, but it had already stopped working by that time, i was upgrading to see if it would fix it
[19:03:25] wopi32: I have run mythtv-setup as my "personal" user on the backend server. Now it only works if I keep it started with /usr/bin/mythtv-backend, not with /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start. Can you tell me what's wrong ?
[19:03:28] gizmobay: try rebooting?
[19:03:47] rockx0zone: yea ive tried rebooting but i am going to do that right now
[19:04:42] gizmobay: wopi32, open the mythtv-backend in the init.d folder and see if there's a spot where you can change ownership
[19:05:04] gizmobay: rockx, I've run out of ideas
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[19:05:28] rockx0zone: well you helped me narrow it down to what is causing it, the transmitter is not working
[19:05:32] rockx0zone: i can start there thanks
[19:05:53] gizmobay: don't know why it would stop out of the blue
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[19:09:10] ** iamlindoro grumbles about the UK having seen episodes of Pushing Daisies that the US has not **
[19:09:59] rockx0zone: gizmobay, so how does mythtv handle blasting? it knows to blast a signal out if?
[19:10:33] wagnerrp: mythtv doesnt handle 'blasting', it just allows you to define an external script for changing channels
[19:10:48] gizmobay: you need a script
[19:10:49] wagnerrp: that script can use firewire, serial, IR, or any other form of control you may have
[19:11:17] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro: Do you know if imdbpy.py will be removed from trunk? I thought a few months ago it was removed then re-instated. I ask as I spotted an error with what is returned as a plot and have a patch to fix it. If it will be removed I will not submit the patch.
[19:11:19] gizmobay: you have to set the script in myth-setup
[19:11:23] gizmobay: based on the tuner
[19:11:31] rockx0zone: there is no script defined...
[19:11:35] rockx0zone: ahh ok
[19:11:46] gizmobay: did you change this?
[19:12:16] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux, It will remain, but will be edited to only use the downloaded version of the IMDB database so that people are forced to comply with terms of service
[19:12:43] rockx0zone: i did enter something in the mythtv set up under change channel script, it was some bash commands
[19:12:51] RDV_Linux: OK then I will submit the patch. Thanks as usual,
[19:12:53] rockx0zone: i followed a how to to create a script
[19:13:01] iamlindoro: gizmobay, Re: Your feature request, Myth in trunk already shows the channel/plot/etc. when starting Live TV
[19:14:01] gizmobay: you need to set this in myth setup
[19:14:15] rockx0zone: i am reconfriguring it now
[19:14:21] rockx0zone: another problem, now my database doesn
[19:14:27] rockx0zone: t seem to be starting on its own
[19:16:54] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro: To show my full commitment to the new UI with all the trimmings I purchased an additional 4G memory. Should arrive tomorrow, thanks to a tax refund.
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[19:17:07] iamlindoro: heh
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[19:24:52] gizmobay: my OTA DVB card displays the channel info but not my pvr150.
[19:25:58] gizmobay: is it because I'm using a blaster?
[19:31:33] gizmobay: not my theme. I tried GANT
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[19:33:20] gbee: channel info?
[19:33:49] gbee: sounds like you don't have guide data for the pvr150
[19:35:16] gizmobay: channel info = popup that shows the channel and the plot
[19:36:01] gizmobay: I changed the channel to my DVB and the info popped up. I then changed back to pvr150 and the info popped up.
[19:36:10] gizmobay: Just doesn't do it on the initial start
[19:38:12] iamlindoro: Does here, but not using .21 and TBH I don't even remember what .21 looks like any more
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[19:39:49] cesman: "TBH"?
[19:40:08] bulle: cesman: to be honest
[19:41:14] gizmobay: gbee, when you first start livetv does it give you a popup with plot?
[19:41:54] gizmobay: iamlindoro, you using 0.22?
[19:42:05] iamlindoro: There is no .22, but I'm using trunk, yes.
[19:42:34] gizmobay: what will be .22 I should say
[19:42:39] gizmobay: works well?
[19:43:21] iamlindoro: Works for me, but I'm also writing code for Myth, wouldn't necessarily say it's a good idea for you to use in production
[19:43:46] iamlindoro: And only works for me because I follow -dev and -commits so I know what to expect not to work
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[19:45:13] cesman: bulle: thanks
[19:46:54] gizmobay: I see. Thought about giving it a whirl
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[19:47:29] gizmobay: I did in the past but lost my video after exiting the program guide
[19:47:49] gizmobay: that was a good 4–5 months ago though
[19:49:01] wopi32: Hi again ...
[19:49:19] wopi32: Could anyone help me on the starting issue? That would be great.
[19:49:51] Shadow__X1: hey iamlindoro so i am going to be moving and am going to ditch comcast in favor of cablevision according to many sources i can use firewire and have it reliable
[19:50:18] iamlindoro: Shadow__X1, Unless those many sources are on the exact headend you'll be using, the information is useless
[19:50:34] iamlindoro: Since firewire behavior is unique per-headend, not per-company
[19:50:47] Shadow__X1: even within the same state>?
[19:50:50] iamlindoro: yep
[19:50:56] Shadow__X1: different county though
[19:50:57] iamlindoro: Within the same *city* even
[19:51:02] Shadow__X1: hmm
[19:51:08] Shadow__X1: damn
[19:51:24] Shadow__X1: so how would i know exactly or the point it i dont
[19:51:33] iamlindoro: Won't know until you try
[19:51:58] Shadow__X1: hmm alright will do because comcast bothers me at my location
[19:52:05] Shadow__X1: esp with the download cap
[19:52:43] Shadow__X1: worst case scenario i go into hdpvr territory
[19:53:32] Shadow__X1: all i wants to do is record like 5 channels why must it be so hard lol
[19:54:16] jpabq0_: Shadow__X1: even if firewire does not work for the audio/video, you should be able to use it to change channels when using the HD-PVR.
[19:54:57] Shadow__X1: well thats good atleast something i am hoping that firewire atleast works for the channels i really care about but if more work than great
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[20:42:19] shiftplusone_: hello, I can't find documentation on audio configuration... I have a patch cable running from the tuner to the input of the sound card and am not getting any sound in mythtv.
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[21:02:28] shiftplusone_: problem solved.
[21:07:39] gbee: " imdbpy.py tries to return the smallest plot it can find" eww
[21:09:29] gbee: gizmobay: hmm, no, I have to bring up the OSD, I do get the signal monitor which give channel name but that wouldn't apply to analogue/capture – not that I watch livetv (ever)
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[21:31:46] pigeon: hi, when i add a manual recording schedule, "record this program in this timeslot every day", why is it only doing weekdays but not weekends?
[21:32:22] kormoc: Are you sure it's the same timeslot/program?
[21:32:59] pigeon: well, i set it everyday, 10:30, 90 minutes, but when i goto the upcoming recording list, it's only scheduled for weekdays.
[21:33:20] kormoc: Sure, but you said to 'record this program', is it the same program?
[21:33:50] pigeon: what do you mean by same program?
[21:34:17] kormoc: you said you created a recording schedule for a program to record at a specific timeslot every day
[21:34:28] kormoc: if the program id doesn't match, the recording rule won't match
[21:34:58] pigeon: hmm, you mean the program id from the tv guide?
[21:35:08] kormoc: the xmltvid or similar, yes
[21:35:32] pigeon: hmm, well the reason i had to use a manual schedule is because there's no tv guide for that channel.
[21:36:03] kormoc: so why would you create a schedule for a program? Just create a manual recording for the time on that channel
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[21:37:30] pigeon: hmm, i did that from mythweb, manual recording schedules, i set channel, start date, start time, length, and that's is. Is that consider as scheduling for a program?
[21:38:22] kormoc: huh, no that should do it, but I didn't think it had 'program' in the text, but it looks like it does
[21:38:55] kormoc: Try setting the Duplicate Check method to none?
[21:39:23] thedarkone: found out a something why firewire dont work on hbo and all
[21:39:34] thedarkone: comcast don't support that port
[21:40:49] pigeon: kormoc: hmm doesn't fix it
[21:41:16] kormoc: thedarkone, first, comcast is a franchise, so it's very regional, second, there's laws that cover that, as are covered in the firewire wiki article, so you're legally required to get *some* channels via the firewire, but not all
[21:41:18] gbee: might have questioned this before, can't quite remember. Does anyone really think a table full of HD playback report for mplayer is useful? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/HD_Playback_Report . . . eported_Data
[21:41:23] Dagmar: It's more like they have 5C enabled for any and all premium channels becayse they're Comcast
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[21:41:41] kormoc: pigeon, sad, well, I donno what else to say
[21:41:45] kormoc: gbee, I say wipe it
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[21:42:31] pigeon: kormoc: :(
[21:43:35] iamlindoro: gbee, You have, and I likely said what I'm about to-- that I started the page in absence of any sort of benchmark information and being tired of answering the 'how much do I need for HD" question
[21:44:22] iamlindoro: that said, I concur that said benchmarks based on mplayer results are of limited or no value
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[21:45:27] gbee: iamlindoro: ahh, well apologies for my lack of recall ;)
[21:45:37] thedarkone: dagmar when i talked to comcast main office they said firewire port is not active but u can get some channels but some time in next 6 months they will be activating firewire for customers
[21:45:54] Dagmar: You talked to Yet Another Idiot Employee who told you some shit they made up on the spot.
[21:46:00] Dagmar: Sorry, but that's the reality of it.
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[21:46:20] Dagmar: They're supposed to have the firewire ports enabled NOW for digital HD subscribers.
[21:46:22] Dagmar: Period.
[21:46:23] iamlindoro: gbee, I won't be heartbroken if it goes away, but if it does it'd be nice for it to be replaced by *something* that covers all the bases of needed hardware (bitrate, codec, container, encoding options, etc.)
[21:46:24] Dagmar: End of story.
[21:46:28] Dagmar: FCC mandated it.
[21:46:33] gbee: it's a shifting target anyway, things like VDPAU and the forthcoming frame level threading etc
[21:46:35] Dagmar: That's how you know the person you talked to was lying.
[21:47:06] gbee: iamlindoro: only really proposing removing the mplayer/vlc entries since they don't really say what you can expect to happen with recordings and mythtv
[21:47:15] Dagmar: ...aside from the whole "Oh the port's disabled but you can still get some channels" nonsense
[21:47:21] iamlindoro: gbee, Wouldn't bother me if you did, makes sense
[21:48:07] iamlindoro: gbee, It was admittedly an effort that I hoped would become more definitive and never really got there
[21:48:18] pigeon: kormoc: ah, if i do it in the myth frontend, i can choose between 5 days if daily or 7 days if daily.
[21:48:18] iamlindoro: can't blame a fella for trying
[21:48:40] Dagmar: 1/2 = .5 alrighty
[21:48:47] Dagmar: wrong chan
[21:49:08] Dagmar: sqrt() in most languages
[21:49:14] Dagmar: #@!$!@$ lag
[21:49:22] pigeon: ah
[21:50:39] gbee: entry left in there – "Output from HDPVR" 4171 kb/s
[21:50:47] gbee: typo?
[21:51:19] iamlindoro: Probably not, that would be the default settings at VBR
[21:51:30] pigeon: kormoc: ah, if i have to do this from mythweb, i need to set the start date on a weekend, then the daily becomes a 7 days weekly. Though, now that "start date" is not really a start date, if you ask me... :)
[21:51:40] kormoc: ahh, huh
[21:51:43] gbee: hmm, ok, seemed on the low side
[21:51:57] kormoc: pigeon, that's certainly a bug/missing feature then, whoops
[21:52:00] gbee: although I've just noticed the res
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[21:52:04] pigeon: heh
[21:52:12] pigeon: myth busted!
[21:52:31] pigeon: kormoc: thanks for your help anyway.
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[22:51:01] iamlindoro: Heh, looking at the google earth highlights of some tiny mediterranean islands is fun
[22:51:09] iamlindoro: like an image of the islands one car
[22:54:24] gbee: whereabouts in the med? or Aegean?
[22:56:52] iamlindoro: Lampedusa... but looking at the island, there are at least the maintained roads of a small town, so thinking it might be a language barrier thing that it's tagged "Lampedusa's car."
[22:57:17] iamlindoro: Island has a former US base, nor Italian, so I'd assume there's more than one
[22:57:22] iamlindoro: er now Italian
[22:58:17] iamlindoro: On the other hand the island is clearly walkable
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[23:01:05] ** iamlindoro wonders when he'll hit it big and retire to a mediterranean island **
[23:02:12] gbee: no a big fan of med islands, too dry and brown
[23:02:36] iamlindoro: Grew up spending a lot of time in southern france, lots of family there, so a fond spot in my heart for it
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[23:02:56] gbee: plus they look like perpetual building sites
[23:03:06] iamlindoro: heh, mostly in Greece :)
[23:03:26] iamlindoro: Which is 100% junkheap or concrete building-in-progress
[23:03:47] iamlindoro: I'm looking at *you*, Heraklion
[23:03:48] gbee: Southern France is probably the best of the med IMHO, well through Monaco and parts of Italy
[23:04:28] iamlindoro: Also loved the time I've spent in Croatia, though language would be much tougher for me
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[23:05:52] iamlindoro: Anyway, all pie in the sky, in all liklihood I'll never be that lucky... but it's nice to dream :)
[23:06:52] gbee: hmm, yeah, now that you mention it, I've not done that part of the coast but I've long wanted to
[23:08:08] iamlindoro: When I was last there it seemed most of the tourist trade was set up to handle german tourists
[23:08:21] iamlindoro: Which isn't a bad or good thing, just my observation at that time
[23:12:19] ** iamlindoro *sighs* at JYA holding forth on how various bits of Myth should be changed/rewritten **
[23:12:36] gbee: it's a growing destination for the industry over here, aimed at people who want to go somewhere 'different', i.e. not the usual tourist traps of southern Spain, Portugal or any other location around the med I guess
[23:13:48] iamlindoro: gbee, Really enjoyed it for the quiet. Could go sit on the beach for hours without seeing anyone-- tough to find that anywhere easily accessible
[23:14:51] iamlindoro: And there was little enough tourist traffic (but enough of a tourism trade) that people were very friendly, eager to accommodate you, willing to share their time, etc.
[23:14:59] iamlindoro: Just nice all 'round
[23:15:38] gbee: wouldn't mind seeing Ukraine, wasn't until I saw a film set there though which showed a landscape much like the parts of the UK I love, but minus the roads/fences/hedges/walls and people
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[23:16:05] gbee: i.e. what England looked like a couple of hundred years ago
[23:16:22] iamlindoro: Slovenia also knocked my socks off
[23:16:38] iamlindoro: unspoiled, small, friendly, clean capital city, all the good stuff
[23:18:51] gbee: no done central Europe at all yet, or Scandinavia yet – which is inexcusable really, it's days ferry journey away
[23:20:13] gbee: guess I should get a move on
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