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Saturday, April 18th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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** kormoc eyes sphery **

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sphery:

I've woken the sleeping giant...

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iamlindoro:

Watch out, he breeds dinosaurs

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kormoc:

I was mainly wondering bout the non-existant ticket numbers...

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iamlindoro:

They used to exist

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iamlindoro:

see -commits

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sphery:

they were spam

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kormoc:

ahh

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sphery:

So, on Monday, the local CBS station kept putting up a weather warning/ticker/ad for their station--so much so that they got lazy and quit switching between high-def and standard-def... Just left it on standard def even when they didn't need to.

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iamlindoro:

Silly CBS

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iamlindoro:

silly Floridian ATSC engineers, actually

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iamlindoro:

You could sell them some mythtvosd

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sphery:

yeah, definitely silly them

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iamlindoro:

Whatimiss?

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iamlindoro:

Did we abandon the frontend while I was gone?

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iamlindoro:

Are we all running TVWish now?

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iamlindoro:

Have we given up on .22 and are all actively backporting MythUI?

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iamlindoro:

Is JYA the new project lead?

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sphery:

I haven't paid my subscription for TVWish, but I'm just setting up my JYATV 1.0 release, and mythui is obsolete because of the new Gloss interface.

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sphery:

lot changed while you were gone...

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iamlindoro:

That was a big 19 minutes

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DGMurdockIII:

when will we see blu ray support?

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sean:

hello

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Guest93552:

hello

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Guest93552:

anyone here?

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iamlindoro:

nope

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Guest93552:

haha

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Guest93552:

nice

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iamlindoro:

just you and 202 corpses

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Guest93552:

lol

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Guest93552:

im getting seg faults

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Guest93552:

when i try to stop watching tvs

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Guest93552:

*tv

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DGMurdockIII:

hi

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Guest93552:

:-D

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Guest93552:

hey

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Guest93552:

hey

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Guest93552:

im getting seg faults when I stop watching tv. using latest ATI driver. has anybody come across this?

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Guest93552:

its starting to look like i need an nvidia card instead

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dashs:

Best way to have a compatible slave backend to a mythbuntu install? I installed the Debian pkg on the slave and it is way downlevel.

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kormoc:

What are you after?

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Guest93552:

who?

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kormoc:

dashs,

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dashs:

kormoc: a slave backend that doesn't give errors.

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simcop2387:

lol

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kormoc:

so... erm... you said downlevel... what does that mean?

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sphery:

"Consumer alert: over a million vehicles recalled because of a fire hazard. Could you be driving one of them?" ... [Tune in at 11:00 *or die* a fiery burning death.] (Inference added.)

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sphery:

How I hate local news marketing.

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sphery:

Guest93552: here is the right channel, not #mythtv

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dashs:

I mean that althought they are both 0.21 the mythbackend on one is 100k larger than (might bjust be symbols, of course). The slave gives dbase erros when inserting the mythcommflag run in inuseporgrams.

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iamlindoro:

wasn't his fault, someone else pasted his message

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dashs:

er inuseprograms

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iamlindoro:

wrongly, one might add

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sphery:

oh... I thought that was also him, but on a different computer/with a different nick

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sphery:

sorry Guest93552

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kormoc:

it might be

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** kormoc shrugs **

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DGMurdockIII:

sorry was me

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sphery:

Guest93552: are you sure your ATI drivers are working properly/fully installed/properly configured?

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sphery:

Guest93552: also, check your playback profile group setting... Change it to Slim.

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simcop2387:

sphery: one of the items in your refrigerator could explode at any moment, we'll tell you which one tonight at 11:00

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sphery:

in TV Settings|Playback

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sphery:

simcop2387: yeah, it's so annoying--the whole, "Watch our wonderful news story or you'll die," implication--let alone the lack of respect for people's lives it implies.

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sphery:

dashs: please pastebin the output of the following command from both systems: mythbackend --version

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simcop2387:

and then it turns out to be that some cans of olives were processed wrong and will crack from pressure inside them when stored improperly...

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DGMurdockIII:

mythtv need to have support for fm radio

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iamlindoro:

Then I guess you'd better get writing

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DGMurdockIII:

mythtv aslo need to support more tv tuners anychance that willl happen

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iamlindoro:

Myth doesn't do TV tuner support

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iamlindoro:

not our project

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DGMurdockIII:

then you support V4L

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sphery:

yep

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simcop2387:

v4l and a few other interfaces for them IIRC

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sphery:

some still untested analog capture through hardware MPEG-2 encoders, though...

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DGMurdockIII:

and linuxtv

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DGMurdockIII:

http://www.linuxtv.org/

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sphery:

PVR-x50/500 and HVR-1600 are known to work, though

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DGMurdockIII:

what about ati – all in wonder cards

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sphery:

that interface is not supported

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DGMurdockIII:

why not

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sphery:

nor will it ever be (as it's basically a garbage interface)

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sphery:

note, though, that some of the ATI TV Wonders (old bttv cards) are supported, but they're very different

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sphery:

read up about why the Gatos project will never support V4L and you'll see why we'll never support AIW

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DGMurdockIII:

why is it a garbage interface

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sphery:

again, read up about why the Gatos project will never support V4L and you'll see why we'll never support AIW

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sphery:

the cards were designed to do things in a very wrong way, basically

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DGMurdockIII:

i have read up on that but it dose not my qustion as i have a ati all in wonder HD

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iamlindoro:

Hooooo buddy did I just manage to make the backend do something fun

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sphery:

well, get someone to make some V4L support for it and we'll suport it

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** sphery worries a bit about what iamlindoro will say next... **

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iamlindoro:

came up in a funny state and was serving some images, and other images later, and images from the wrong storage group...

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iamlindoro:

banners as fanart, fanart as screenshots, smae fanart as different images

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iamlindoro:

cats living with dogs, mass hysteria!

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dashs:

sphery: They appear to be identical, except the Debian version has 'Unknown' for Mythtv version

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iamlindoro:

Luckily a backend restart fixed it

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iamlindoro:

because papa was confused

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dashs:

Guess I need to pastebin this

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iamlindoro:

Would enter a directory filled with directories, some fo the folder.jpgs were there, some were the unknown image, and some were empty entirely... then I'd go one level up, then back down, and they would have rearranged themselves

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dashs:

sphery posted pastebin by 'dashs'

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dashs:

http://pastebin.com/d7b2c140e

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Guest93552:

hmmm

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Guest93552:

the drivers were autoinstalled by envy

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sphery:

dashs: those versions should be compatible.

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sphery:

I think the version difference isn't causing the issue

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DGMurdockIII:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI/AMD#ATI . . . e_facilities

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dashs:

sphery: I'm getting

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dashs:

2009-04–17 17:15:31.038 DB Error (SetInUse):

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dashs:

Query was:

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dashs:

INSERT INTO inuseprograms (chanid, starttime, recusage, hostname, lastupdatetime,

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dashs:

rechost, recdir ) VALUES ('1658', '2009-04–17T16:30:00', 'flagger', 'chico', '2009

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dashs:

-04–17T17:15:31', 'beppo', NULL);

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dashs:

Driver error was [2/1048]:

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dashs:

QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query

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dashs:

Database error was:

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dashs:

Column 'recdir' cannot be null

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DGMurdockIII:

please use a pastebin next time

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sphery:

arghhh! pastebin for 3+ lines, please

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dashs:

OK

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sphery:

dashs: that's a warning that's not important

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sphery:

it's fixed in trunk, but because it's a warning, don't worry about it

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sphery:

it only happens on one system because it only happens when the file isn't local

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sphery:

i.e. it seems everything is working for you, despite the ugly log files

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dashs:

OK. Migth be a prob if I had many slaves

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sphery:

shouldn't have any effect on your system/whether it works

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sphery:

it's just a log message that doesn't need to be there--what it's trying and failing to do doesn't need to be done

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sphery:

(and, in truth, the "fix" in trunk was to just not try to do what it's trying and failing to do :)

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dashs:

Oh. Wasn't for serialization, then.

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sphery:

no... really not important

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 66323#366323

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sphery:

and the changeset just adds another condition to the if statement that makes it not try to write the data to the DB...

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sphery:

hmmm.. DGM left after linking to http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI/AMD#ATI . . . e_facilities , which, IMHO, just proves why we shouldn't support All-in-Wonder cards...

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sphery:

(specifically the talk of the mess that's Gatos--not through their fault, but because of the card design)

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iamlindoro:

Only one solution to that

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iamlindoro:

he must die

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sphery:

i.e. the AIW cards (don't know for sure if it's still the case, but was not long ago) just take the signal from on card and embed it in the video output on card--it never leaves the card in normal usage

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sphery:

and getting to it takes a lot of crazy work

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sphery:

the kind of work that only a company making hardware would be willing to do

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iamlindoro:

Which, for a card made a decade ago, is a losing proposition

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sphery:

yeah, but I think even the new AIW's are that way

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iamlindoro:

He also asked about blu ray. If only there was some sort of MythTV wiki with a detailed article on that very topic that is regularly kept up to date!

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quagz1:

does anybody know what the latest ATI drivers are for ubuntu?

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quagz1:

im getting segfults

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quagz1:

*segfaults

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sphery:

iamlindoro: the Blu-Ray wiki guy just seems to be promoting Blu-Ray because he has some stake in it... I'll bet he invested some huge amount of money--like maybe even $500--in Sony...

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sphery:

I never trust wiki pages because of that.

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sphery:

(just a joke)

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iamlindoro:

I'm sure he's just a shill

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iamlindoro:

Probably paid by Sony

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iamlindoro:

Just like that Hauppauge shill guy

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sphery:

quagz1: have you tried #ubuntu and/or #ubuntu-mythtv ?

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sphery:

yeah, I've heard from people who should know--you know, people who have no affiliations with Hauppauge (and probably no experience with their equipment)--that the cards are hard to use

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sphery:

that's why I always recommend people get the PVR-x50/500 or HVR-1250/1600 instead of one of those Hauppauge cards

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sphery:

iamlindoro: heh, I looked at the Gatos list ( http://gatos.sourceforge.net/supported_cards.php ) and the newest card seems to be the Radeon 9700 ... Since my Radeon 9800 has burned out its fan once already, you're right about the age of the cards that could possibly be used with it...

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meshe:

the PVR-x50's are awesome, between all the myth boxes i have here, there are 3 PVR-150s and 2 PVR-350s

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sphery:

Yeah, all my comments were actually sarcastic jabs at a particular individual who always bashes them...

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sphery:

I love the Hauppauge cards--and think that the company has done amazing things for the FOSS users/developers.

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quagz1:

actually

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quagz1:

i have found a switch

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quagz1:

export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=true

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quagz1:

which fixes the problem

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iamlindoro:

Hauppauge engineers are also probably responsible for about 50–60 OSS drivers, not just for Haupp, too

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thedarkone:

hello all

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meshe:

so they work with the OSS community, cool, didn't know that

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meshe:

glad I dropped another $40 on one of their cards yesterday

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thedarkone:

i have firewire and some reason on my tv says signal 100% (L_ _) partial lock

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iamlindoro:

meshe, A few of their engineers write drivers, and they allow the drivers to be open-sourced

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meshe:

sweet

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iamlindoro:

meshe, They also provided the community with a couple HD-PVRs months in advance to write the driver

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meshe:

very nice

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sphery:

yeah, they're much better friends of FOSS than a certain couple of (huge) companies that many people say are friends of FOSS

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sphery:

those 2 companies being more freinemies

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iamlindoro:

AMD Intel? heh

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sphery:

not AMD

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iamlindoro:

IBM Intel?

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sphery:

Not Intellivision

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sphery:

oh, wait, that's not the company you mentioned...

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iamlindoro:

Colecovision?

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sphery:

IBM wasn't one I was thinking of, but... well, my opinion isn't important

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meshe:

Nvidia has been doing a pretty good job supporting linux even if they haven't open sourced the driver

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sphery:

G, I probably shouldn't have said anything as I may be forming opions using bad Intel . There are 10^100 ways I could be wrong.

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meshe:

Intel makes good processors...

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sphery:

true... best X86 processor in the world, today.

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NightMonkey:

Ah, I think I'm being bitten by trac bug #6442. Not sure yet until I reconfigure my system for good debugging symbols.

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meshe:

sorry for the user question, but... what setting should i look at to fix tearing with the internal player?

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sphery:

NightMonkey: have you tried: mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt

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iamlindoro:

meshe, Which renderer and GPU?

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sphery:

NightMonkey: or mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt

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NightMonkey:

sphery: No, but I will now. :)

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meshe:

GPU is Geforce 7950 GTX, renderer, checking

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thedarkone:

anyone know were i can find good info on firewire and mythtv

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meshe:

trunk btw

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sphery:

meshe: you want to ensure you have a) a good sync mechanism (OpenGL > rtc > usleep --and there may be better ones there, now, too) and b) a good choice of playback profile

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NightMonkey:

sphery: Nope, both segfaulted. I have to wait for my system to recompile to get good backtraces.

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iamlindoro:

meshe, If you're using VDPAU, updating to the latest driver should fix tearing in the blit path

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iamlindoro:

meshe, Otherwise, bet you'll find Xv-blit will eliminate it

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meshe:

7950 isn't vdpau supported

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iamlindoro:

meshe, Oh, sorry, read the number wrong

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NightMonkey:

sphery: I just bumped from xorg-server-1.3.0 to 1.5.3, and Mesa 6.5.2 to 7.3, then 7.4 to see if that resolved the problem.

[02:08:32]

meshe:

was using default cpu+ switching to cpu++ which uses xv-blit

[02:08:48]

sphery:

meshe: might want to try Slim

[02:09:09]

meshe:

yeah, cpu++ still has the issue

[02:09:16]

sphery:

CPU+ is not really the default (Normal is), but CPU+ gets chosen because of a bug (that's not worth fixing until mythtv-setup moves to mythui)

[02:09:26]

sphery:

But Slim should be the default, IMHO.

[02:10:10]

sphery:

Do you see a message in your frontend logs about "Video timing method"?

[02:10:18]

sphery:

that should be the first one you check.

[02:10:31]

sphery:

also, ensure you're running at an appropriate refresh rate in X

[02:11:03]

thedarkone:

should firewire / say (l_ _ ) partial lock?

[02:11:33]

meshe:

2009-04–17 19:10:46.067 NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio dat

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meshe:

a lost!

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meshe:

i think slim has fixed it

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iamlindoro:

Slim heals all wounds

[02:14:01]

NightMonkey:

Hrm. Seems like my problem is in libGL. "glXWaitX () at glxcmds.c" is the consistent area where mythfrontend segfaults.

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meshe:

this is on a Pentium D 2.66 Ghz Dual Core CPU, 2GB Ram and a pretty decent video card

[02:15:09]

iamlindoro:

NightMonkey, please pastebin the output of ls /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx* -al

[02:16:16]

wagnerrp:

whats with this thread where someone is trying to run a headless machine and people are trying to explain how to get X running?

[02:16:33]

meshe:

hrm, still tearing, but not as bad

[02:17:09]

NightMonkey:

iamlindoro: http://pastebin.com/m181ac920

[02:17:25]

NightMonkey:

iamlindoro: I changed the path for my box (the original path was to a symlink)

[02:18:12]

iamlindoro:

NightMonkey, what distro is this?

[02:18:40]

NightMonkey:

iamlindoro: Gentoo.

[02:18:48]

iamlindoro:

with what GPU and drivers?

[02:19:15]

NightMonkey:

PVR-350 (with X out), and ivtv as the output driver.

[02:19:46]

wagnerrp:

do you need to use the ivtv framebuffer?

[02:19:49]

iamlindoro:

No idea then, PVR-350 in Myth is deprecated

[02:20:06]

iamlindoro:

PVR-350 TV out, anyway

[02:20:13]

NightMonkey:

iamlindoro: OK.

[02:20:32]

iamlindoro:

erm... wait, can you even *do* GL w/ the PVR-350 TV out?

[02:20:43]

wagnerrp:

thats what i was wondering

[02:20:51]

wagnerrp:

mesa is all software emulated

[02:20:58]

meshe:

iamlindoro: you can configure X to do TV out on the PVR-350 and still ignore the myth setting for tv out on the PVR-350

[02:21:01]

iamlindoro:

NightMonkey, it crashes at startup?

[02:21:12]

wagnerrp:

but i doubt the FB drivers are built to hook into them

[02:21:18]

NightMonkey:

iamlindoro: Yep, just before it would usually start creating a window.

[02:21:20]

iamlindoro:

mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt

[02:21:34]

NightMonkey:

iamlindoro: Other X apps work (xclock, firefox, etc.)

[02:21:47]

iamlindoro:

Those apps aren't trying to use GL

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wagnerrp:

NightMonkey: basically, if youre running gentoo, you likely have sufficient machine that you dont need output on the 350

[02:22:03]

iamlindoro:

try command above please

[02:22:07]

NightMonkey:

iamlindoro: Ah ha. Let me see if there's another GL-using app I can try.

[02:22:18]

meshe:

glgears

[02:22:19]

NightMonkey:

iamlindoro: I did (see above). Same result.

[02:22:21]

wagnerrp:

glzgears

[02:22:35]

iamlindoro:

glxgears, third try's a charm ;)

[02:22:42]

meshe:

heh

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NightMonkey:

iamlindoro: Will do, one sec.

[02:22:50]

wagnerrp:

either that, or it took you the better part of the last month to build that Xorg update

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NightMonkey:

iamlindoro: Huh. Funny. glxgears runs.

[02:23:32]

iamlindoro:

Off to eat, wagnerrp will fix it ;)

[02:23:35]

thedarkone:

can anyone help me set up firewire on mythtv

[02:23:49]

meshe:

i have an mythbuntu 8.10 system that i just setup and set X out onto the 350 tv out, worked great

[02:23:52]

iamlindoro:

(and meshe_)

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wagnerrp:

does ubuntu not run without a monitor?

[02:24:10]

wagnerrp:

im completely baffled about this monitorless backend thing

[02:24:10]

meshe:

ubuntu-server will

[02:24:20]

wagnerrp:

i dont understand why this is even an issue

[02:24:23]

NightMonkey:

At a whopping 46 fps, I might add. :)

[02:24:41]

wagnerrp:

i further down understand why everyone is dicking around with xorg.conf files

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meshe:

46 lol

[02:24:55]

meshe:

7240.296 FPS

[02:25:02]

wagnerrp:

ITS A MONITORLESS MACHINE!!! WHAT ARE YOU DOING RUNNING XORG???

[02:25:14]

meshe:

apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop

[02:25:17]

wagnerrp:

yeah, 46fps is absurdly pathetic

[02:25:44]

meshe:

sorry NightMonkey the box that i just setup is still sitting in a suitcase or i'd send you the xorg for it

[02:26:06]

wagnerrp:

my laptop in MESA mode just managed 180fps

[02:26:10]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Yah, I don't use X for anything much besides mythfrontend (and the occasionaly debugging session).

[02:26:30]

wagnerrp:

are you back on a P2 or something?

[02:26:42]

wagnerrp:

maybe an old K6? or a Via?

[02:26:44]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Talking to me?

[02:26:47]

wagnerrp:

yeah

[02:27:11]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Athlon-XP 1600.

[02:27:37]

wagnerrp:

did you resize glxgears from the default renderbox?

[02:27:46]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Nope, should I have?

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thedarkone:

wagnerrp do u use firewire?

[02:28:16]

wagnerrp:

like i said, my P3 1GHz laptop just managed 180fps, in MESA compatibility mode

[02:28:19]

wagnerrp:

thedarkone: never

[02:28:27]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: I know that anything besides mythfrontend playback is sloooow on this setup.

[02:28:31]

wagnerrp:

you should be able to pull off far more than 46fps

[02:29:01]

wagnerrp:

unless thats a issue with using a PCI framebuffer, rather than a real graphics card

[02:29:22]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: I didn't do a glxgears "test" in xorg-1.3/mesa 6.5.2, so I don't know if it is slower, faster, or the same.

[02:29:33]

wagnerrp:

anyway

[02:29:52]

wagnerrp:

i would just bypass the whole issue, spend $20, and get an old AGP card with a TV out

[02:29:56]

wagnerrp:

or even a PCI card

[02:29:58]

wagnerrp:

either would work

[02:30:17]

wagnerrp:

and that XP1600 has plenty of power to decode anything you may have used that 350 for

[02:30:46]

squish102:

out of interest, can you make mythweb read only. I would like to show someone my setup, but don't want them screwing with it.

[02:31:29]

wagnerrp:

squish102: i believe you can make a user for mythweb with read-only access to the database

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Ah, but I love the fidelity of the PVR-350. Anyways, thanks.

[02:31:41]

wagnerrp:

but mythweb has no concept of access control

[02:31:59]

squish102:

thanks wagnerrp, that is about all i could find on the net too

[02:32:52]

wagnerrp:

squish102: there was a GSoC project back in '06 that was intended to make individual users for mythtv

[02:33:07]

wagnerrp:

for the purpose of people having their own recordings and access/deletion rights

[02:33:12]

wagnerrp:

but nothing ever came of it

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NightMonkey:

meshe: I think that the problem is not with my xorg config. After I upgraded Xorg, I only changed options related to mouse and keyboard.

[02:33:48]

meshe:

i just copied my xorg from a year and a half old version and it work, oh...

[02:34:01]

meshe:

i did chagne the playback profile to slim

[02:34:08]

meshe:

are you able to load mythfrontend at all?

[02:34:14]

NightMonkey:

meshe: I've had the same xorg config for over a year.

[02:34:33]

NightMonkey:

meshe: Nope, that's why I'm getting my debugging symbols set up. :)

[02:34:51]

NightMonkey:

meshe: I mean, it loads, but segfaults just as it tries to open a window.

[02:35:56]

meshe:

what version of myth are you using, i used .21-fixes

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NightMonkey:

meshe: Yep, me too. 0.21_p19961-r1.

[02:37:30]

NightMonkey:

meshe: What version of xorg-server and mesa are you running?

[02:38:07]

meshe:

like i said, that box isn't running right now, it's literally in a suitcase, it's here for hardware repair

[02:38:14]

meshe:

it's fully patched mythbuntu

[02:38:18]

meshe:

8.10

[02:38:22]

NightMonkey:

meshe: Ah, my bad.

[02:38:39]

meshe:

it's my parent's myth box for their vacation property

[02:38:59]

NightMonkey:

Hrm. Lemmie see what version of ubuntu that tracks with....

[02:39:09]

meshe:

8.10 :)

[02:39:15]

meshe:

they keep matched versions

[02:39:34]

meshe:

packages.ubuntu.org should let you check the versions

[02:39:35]

NightMonkey:

meshe: Ah, cool. Running xorg-server 1.5.2, but distrowatch doesn't list Mesa.

[02:39:44]

NightMonkey:

meshe: Ah, I'll check that, thanks.

[02:39:55]

meshe:

.org or .com, never cna remember

[02:41:06]

wagnerrp:

does ubuntu (non-server) fail to properly boot if you cannot run the X-server?

[02:41:32]

iamlindoro:

NOT TTBOMK

[02:41:35]

clever:

wagnerrp: mine just drops to text mode if it cant start it

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wagnerrp:

i mean is the GUI so tightly entwined with that system, that it cannot run without it?

[02:41:36]

iamlindoro:

in fact, no

[02:41:40]

iamlindoro:

but

[02:41:43]

meshe:

networking won't come up by default

[02:41:51]

iamlindoro:

the stupid default network manager can screw up people who don't know how to fix it

[02:42:01]

wagnerrp:

so WTF is the problem with these people getting a headless machine running

[02:42:12]

iamlindoro:

and by fix, I mean "rip out and do it in /etc/network/interfaces"

[02:42:15]

meshe:

if you jump through the hoops to set a static ip properly then yeah it should boot/startup fine

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wagnerrp:

he claims to be able to connect using putty (ssh), so network connectivity is obviously not an issue

[02:42:50]

meshe:

everything else should start before X

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meshe:

if you want to run ubuntu headless install the server edition

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iamlindoro:

Not reading the thread, but you *can* have mysql and mythbackend come up wrong if the network comes up late

[02:44:16]

iamlindoro:

but a restart of both processes should fix that

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clever:

most of my systems are network booting, so the network is up before / is even working

[02:44:46]

iamlindoro:

nobody cares about your systems

[02:44:48]

iamlindoro:

or you

[02:44:51]

iamlindoro:

or anything you do

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wagnerrp:

is this what i get for learning linux on a system that actually forces you to learn linux?

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meshe:

iamlindoro: yes, he's running a remote FE so he would have had to allow networked mysql and set the BE to an ip other than 127.0.0.1

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meshe:

both would come up before network manager

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meshe:

or try to

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meshe:

i'm going to rip NM out of my production myth box, it's keeps dhcp'ing even though /etc/network/interfaces has a static ip configured

[02:46:52]

iamlindoro:

have to also do apt-get remove netowrk-manager network-manager-gnome

[02:47:01]

iamlindoro:

er network-manager

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meshe:

yeah, i just figured that out today :S

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wagnerrp:

you cant run dhcp outside of network manager?

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meshe:

yes, you can

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meshe:

i just don't want it to happen

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wagnerrp:

i thought network manager just called dhcpbd or something

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meshe:

this box is 192.168.1.200 start it up as that every time

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wagnerrp:

meh... i prefer it to static IPs, even if the IPs are just going to be statically set on the DHCP config

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meshe:

wagnerrp: me too, if i had a dhcp server running here that i could statically configure ips on

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wagnerrp:

what are you using? consumer router?

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meshe:

yeah, i could WRT it, but i don't want to take it down now that it's in production

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wagnerrp:

i thought i remember even the stock firmware on my WRTs allowing static definitions

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iamlindoro:

Wowie, drive thru 7–11s

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iamlindoro:

heh

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meshe:

WRT54GS, and no

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wagnerrp:

its been ages since ive seen a stock firmware, so i dont remember

[02:50:43]

meshe:

not in the default firmware

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wagnerrp:

mine are in use as APs, so i had to use a modified firmware

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meshe:

i used to just run a debian box with 2 nics as my router

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wagnerrp:

ford is bringing the fiesta back using viral marketing?

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wagnerrp:

somehow i think this will backfire harder than the cars themselves

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meshe:

someone's reading slashdot

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wagnerrp:

indeed

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iamlindoro:

Heh, the article (which admittedly is skeptical) talking about someone's theory about how Republicans can "retake" Silicon Valley is funny

[03:00:09]

iamlindoro:

as anyone who thinks Repubs could gain a foothold here has never been here :)

[03:00:58]

wagnerrp:

yeah, but give it 15 years

[03:01:17]

wagnerrp:

people children will revolt against their techno-hippie parents, and become republicans

[03:01:36]

wagnerrp:

they may even make a tv show about it

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wagnerrp:

probably starring someone with a degenerative illness

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iamlindoro:

Real housewives of the SV?

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iamlindoro:

;)

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wagnerrp:

wow, they managed 176 episodes on that show

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wagnerrp:

i should be able to drop all use of NFS on the frontends, right?

[03:18:02]

wagnerrp:

at least anything used for mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

yes (although using the file browser to select images in Edit Metadata still requires local mounts)

[03:19:39]

iamlindoro:

but as long as you've edited all your file/fanart/screenshot/banner/cover paths to be relative to their SGs, it'll at least function

[03:19:53]

wagnerrp:

yeah, all done

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wagnerrp:

ive got no local images, besides what imdb/tmdb have pulled down

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iamlindoro:

then yep-- if something's not working it'll be obvious quickly :)

[03:20:47]

iamlindoro:

but here's I'm SG only, just have to do the manual path editing for now sometimes

[03:21:06]

iamlindoro:

er here

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iamlindoro:

ie any time a new fanart/cover/etc. download comes in, it'll be full path and require the mount, but once you've fixed the path it can go away again

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wagnerrp:

oh, i see what you mean

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iamlindoro:

yeah, it's what I've been kvetching about that needs to get done before .22 (the ability to stream a file into an SG from the frontend)

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iamlindoro:

If it doesn't get done I'll request that the ability to add the SGs for the images be disabled in the release, as it's not user friendly as is

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wagnerrp:

that would also obviate the need for nfs mounts for secondary backends

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wagnerrp:

presuming its set up to handle the load

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iamlindoro:

the "right" way IMO is to move the metadata downloading entirely into the backend

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iamlindoro:

Which would also make it available for scheduled/past recordings, which is sexy

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wagnerrp:

where the video manager in the frontend would just function as a remote for the backend?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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kormoc:

so the BE scans now?

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iamlindoro:

Only in this theoretical scenario :)

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wagnerrp:

not currently

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iamlindoro:

(for now)

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kormoc:

heh, sad

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mishehu:

accidentally stepped on the holy grounds of #mythtv... for some reason my client didn't auto rejoin my channels. heh.

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wagnerrp:

theres no problem with being there

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wagnerrp:

so long as you arent requesting technical support there

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NightMonkey:

Ah, wagnerrp: Thank you! You indirectly helped me. Adding 'Disable "glx"' to my xorg.conf allowed mythfrontend to launch

[03:38:08]

NightMonkey:

.

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wagnerrp:

that shouldnt have made any difference if youre using QT

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NightMonkey:

If you can't beat 'em, disown them.

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wagnerrp:

and if you dont have opengl hardware, you should really be using the qt painter

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wagnerrp:

no one uses mesa when they have a choice otherwise

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Well, I dunno. I started with both no options and with the override you and sphery suggested, and same segfault.

[03:40:10]

NightMonkey:

I'll see if it holds, but it looks good now.

[03:41:29]

NightMonkey:

This probably means that videos won't play well for me, but I don't care too much about that.

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sphery:

GL isn't used for (normal) video playback

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sphery:

Xv is.

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NightMonkey:

Mythvideo videos, that is. Programs play fine.

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wagnerrp:

you should be using the pvr350 framebuffer output device

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wagnerrp:

not opengl, xvideo, or x11

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sphery:

and the PVR-350--though it lacks basically everything a real card has--does have Xv support

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wagnerrp:

oh, it does use xv?

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sphery:

yeah it does now

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sphery:

and it's actually now the preferred approach

[03:42:51]

wagnerrp:

well... as opposed to just getting a video card

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NightMonkey:

sphery: Hrm. Well, I'd love to make my config do that, but I don't know how to get around that. Unless disabling glx is what did the trick?

[03:43:06]

sphery:

using the PVR-350 hardware decoder doesn't work so well now and no one is working on it, so use it as a piece of junk video card is the best way :)

[03:43:44]

sphery:

if you have X working on the PVR-350's TV and you're using recent X, you have Xv support

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sphery:

and if you don't check the box, "Use PVR-350 hardware decoder" (or whatever it's called), you're using Xv

[03:44:23]

NightMonkey:

sphery: Hmm. I have that checked.

[03:44:46]

sphery:

but, really, IMHO, wagnerrp is very correct--the best approach is to use the PVR-350 as a PVR-150 or PVR-250 (i.e. don't use its TV out) and use a real video card with modern capabilities :)

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NightMonkey:

sphery: I'll look into the AGP cards – I have only one PCI slot, and the built-in GF4MX, which had a rather poor quality svideo output.

[03:46:17]

thedarkone:

anyone heard of mythprimer?

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sphery:

I used to use a GF4MX440 and had excellent TV out (via S-Video) with it, but I do admit that there were good ones and bad ones back in the GF4 days...

[03:46:58]

sphery:

but I'll say that configuring the GF4 TV out is significantly more challenging than configuring the PVR-350's TV out.

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wagnerrp:

i know ive got a 440 floating around in one of my machines, but i dont remember where

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sphery:

With the 350, you get all or nothing (good quality or no output--i.e. there's no specific configuration), but with the GF4 (and, really, any video card), you can misconfigure it /very/ easily and get bad quality output

[03:48:06]

sphery:

once you get it configured, though, it's really no worse than the PVR-350 output

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wagnerrp:

i know i used it with linux/mythtv at one point, but beyond that, it was not a memorable experience

[03:48:19]

sphery:

i.e. the weak link in the chain is not the TV out--it's the format (NTSC)

[03:48:44]

sphery:

my GF4MX440 is a Chaintech, and it served me well

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NightMonkey:

sphery: Gosh, it's been 4 years since I tried it – perhaps I'll try it if I get bit by another issue.

[03:49:02]

sphery:

some other brands weren't so good at TV out

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NightMonkey:

sphery: Perhaps I didn't try hard enough to configure it right.

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sphery:

well, if you're happy with the PVR-350 TV out, it will work well enough (assuming you don't use the hardware decoder :)

[03:50:34]

NightMonkey:

sphery: Yah, I guess until 0.22, where bitrot will probably put an end to it. :)

[03:50:35]

sphery:

but it's a dead end--i.e. one resolution, no HDTV, no OpenGL, no acceleration (other than Xv), no "quality" output (i.e. HDMI/DVI/VGA/...), ...

[03:51:02]

sphery:

well, if you're not using the hardware decoder, there's nothing (in Myth) specific to the PVR-350

[03:51:08]

sphery:

so nothing to bitrot (in Myth)

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meshe:

NightMonkey: the way you are using the tv out on the 350 myth should have nothing to do with it, the issue is with the mpeg out

[03:51:30]

meshe:

ivtv writes the xorg driver

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sphery:

i.e. if you don't use the hardware decoder, you're just using a very poor quality video card with good quality TV out :)

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NightMonkey:

sphery: Yep, I knew the 350 out was "single-purpose". :)

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meshe:

^ ywah, what sphery said

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NightMonkey:

sphery: Totally agreed on the poor quality video card angle.

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NightMonkey:

On this box, I do like to keep video playback CPU usage low.

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sphery:

but, if you've got it working and it meets your needs, no reason to change it

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NightMonkey:

sphery: Except if using it makes me live in gdb too long. ;)

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wagnerrp:

anything you would be playing on that 350 would consume less than 20% of that processor

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meshe:

the tv that's usually hooked up to the pvr-350 tv out i have is a 15 yo 19" crt

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meshe:

who wrote Terra?

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iamlindoro:

gbee

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wagnerrp:

gbee, as a demo and programming aid for the mythui updates

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meshe:

cool

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thedarkone:

anyone know firewire?

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wagnerrp:

im coming across a lot of files on tmdb that are failing to scrape, because whoever put them on the site did not include an imdb number

[05:12:36]

iamlindoro:

Yeah... I am still *strongly* of the opinion that we need to switch to its TMDB number API

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iamlindoro:

if we don't now, we never can

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kormoc:

Why aren't we?

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iamlindoro:

The only compelling argument I have heard so far is that there will be people with existing records who will want to scrape over them

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kormoc:

so why not do a two level attempt

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iamlindoro:

but IMO that doesn't override our need to do it now or never

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kormoc:

see if it's a valid TVDB number and if not, then assume it's a IMDB number?

[05:14:09]

iamlindoro:

They cross over, since they're just serial numbers

[05:14:32]

iamlindoro:

I'm much more of a mind to say "old numbers not compatible with new, if you want to download fanart/new covers, you need to reset metadata

[05:14:34]

iamlindoro:

"

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iamlindoro:

at least then we can make a clean break

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kormoc:

erm, my imdb numbers start with letters

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iamlindoro:

but not in the API

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kormoc:

tt0379786 for example

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iamlindoro:

and not in the inetref in mythvideo

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kormoc:

bah

[05:17:35]

kormoc:

ooh!

[05:18:12]

kormoc:

so tmdb is maxed currently at 17028, all imdb numbers are padded to 7 chars min

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kormoc:

so the migration script can check to see if the number is 7 chars, if so, migrate it, else assume it's tmdb

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kormoc:

and they are stored padded in the database

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iamlindoro:

would love to see a migration script, really want to leave the IMDB stuff behind

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iamlindoro:

and the sooner people are forced too, the faster TMDB will get good

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iamlindoro:

Woo hoo, finally got icons mapped to all my channels, what a pain

[05:25:50]

iamlindoro:

Now I can go nuts on the program guide

[05:26:40]

iamlindoro:

Trying to come up with something that really uses the channel icons to full effect, while still having a decent place for the text strings if icons are missing

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iamlindoro:

Just wish the channel icons weren't so predominantly white

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iamlindoro:

Guess I could put a mostly transparent blue image over them to "filter" them

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kormoc:

Aye! That's the spirit!

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lwizardl:

Hi

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lwizardl:

I was wondering can Mythtv read encrypted filesystems from truecrypt?

[05:42:11]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: probably a good idea to rename videos while were at it

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wagnerrp:

lwizardl: is it mounted and accessible like any other file system?

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kormoc:

lwizardl, as long as it appears as a normal filesystem/mount point, myth doesn't care, but really, why bother?

[05:42:55]

wagnerrp:

specifically, would myth have to do anything special to access it?

[05:43:40]

lwizardl:

ok so as longs as it was mounted and working for the general desktop to read mythtv could also read it

[05:43:47]

wagnerrp:

yes

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lwizardl:

kormoc, well age-restricted files

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** kormoc blinks **

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wagnerrp:

if you feel you have to encrypt those files to keep them away from your kids, youre doing something wrong

[05:45:01]

wagnerrp:

one, the fact that you feel you need to encrypt them

[05:45:18]

wagnerrp:

two, the fact that a persistant child can probably figure out a way to access said encrypted data

[05:45:33]

wagnerrp:

three, the fact that they can find everything the could ever want on the internet

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lwizardl:

wagnerrp, yeah just don't want them to see the pictures of mommy

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lwizardl:

if you know what I mean

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kormoc:

the idea of having said pictures on the tv in the family room is a bit... disturbing imho

[05:47:19]

lwizardl:

my mythtv box isn't in the family room, its in the bedroom

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kormoc:

are you really worried that your kids are gonna go root your mythbox in your bedroom to look at the pictures?

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** kormoc blinks **

[05:48:26]

iamlindoro:

If they do, they deserve to be scarred by what they see

[05:48:35]

iamlindoro:

They will *never* hack your box again

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lwizardl:

yeah

[05:49:00]

iamlindoro:

In fact, you should just set it as the desktop background

[05:49:14]

lwizardl:

I was just looking for a way to keep those files safe and away from their eyes

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wagnerrp:

security is next to non-existent in mythtv

[05:49:38]

wagnerrp:

there are parental controls

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iamlindoro:

Encrypt them if you like, but I'd keep them out of reach of MythTV

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kormoc:

esp if they get cached...

[05:50:18]

lwizardl:

I'm sure they have seen worse stuff online somewhere but I still think I would like to encrypt them and the mount the image if ever needed

[05:50:22]

wagnerrp:

but if they know enough to float around in the file system and find data that you would want encrypted, they already know more than enough to break through myth's parental controls

[05:51:24]

wagnerrp:

although i certainly know growing up that if i wanted porn, i certainly wasnt going to go searching around for my dad's stash

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iamlindoro:

My mother confronted me about porno once when I was a kid

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iamlindoro:

awwwwwwkwaaaaaard

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** kormoc laughs **

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lwizardl:

that didn't stop me when I was younger I raided the parents stashs, then my older brothers stuff.

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iamlindoro:

If you *must* do something like that, at least send Dad for god's sake

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kormoc:

When I was growing up, my computer had a lot of forced reboots when the parents walked in when I wasn't expecting them. Stability was non-existant back then, I'll tell you what ;)

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wagnerrp:

you have your powerstrip on the floor with your foot on the switch?

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kormoc:

nah, would just hit the reset button and complain about yet another lockup

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kormoc:

As if it fooled anyone...

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wagnerrp:

even my mom has hit the reset button a couple times for that purpose

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lwizardl:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

looking for some sporting goods, and stumbling upon more than she bargained for

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wagnerrp:

the problem with changing the 'inetref' field to TMDB IDs is that you still end up with a singular webpage you can reference off of

[06:07:23]

wagnerrp:

meaning its still broken if you want to use a TVDB or TVRage or OFDB scraper

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Why would it be broken if you want to use any of those scrapers? They all work fine, we are just talking about searching TMDB by TMDB number

[06:09:15]

iamlindoro:

interef is just a number, it only means something to the grabber inserting or looking up based on it

[06:09:40]

iamlindoro:

TVDB inserts TVDB numbers, the european grabbers insert their numbers, IMDB inserts IMDB #s

[06:09:43]

wagnerrp:

you still need some sort of identifier saying thats where the number is from

[06:10:08]

meshe:

new field

[06:10:15]

iamlindoro:

not really, presumably you are always going to use one script for movies

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iamlindoro:

if you decide to change and want to re-lookup, you reset metadata

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iamlindoro:

then inetref becomes 0 and the script will do a lookup by title

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meshe:

better db design is to not multipurpose a field

[06:11:10]

iamlindoro:

It's not multipurposed

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meshe:

but it could be worked around with a new field that ties to it

[06:11:27]

iamlindoro:

it's a number, which can be whatever reference number the script you use uses

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kormoc:

they're talking bout using more then one grabber script

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iamlindoro:

Which is solved by directory preferences

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wagnerrp:

its a character field, not a number one

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wagnerrp:

so why not just have each grabber prepend an identifier

[06:13:17]

wagnerrp:

subsequently only that scraper will run, until you reset the field

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meshe:

that works too, have a separator ie: [] ;)

[06:13:28]

iamlindoro:

That's ugly

[06:13:39]

iamlindoro:

anyway, it doesn't matter, Anduin intends to add that anyway

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meshe:

it's from mythproto ;)

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iamlindoro:

not in the DVB it's not

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iamlindoro:

er DB

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wagnerrp:

in the database, its just a 255-byte varchar

[06:14:25]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I'm aware of that

[06:14:31]

wagnerrp:

i mean to meshe

[06:14:52]

iamlindoro:

anyway, parsing two values from one DB field is totally contrary to how every other part of MythVideo works

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wagnerrp:

i dont see how that would be ugly though

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Because *nothing* in MythVideo (or Myth that I know of) concatenates multiple values in one field?

[06:15:37]

wagnerrp:

its just an identifier

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iamlindoro:

so ugly in the sense that it's 100% contrary to the stlye of the entire project

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wagnerrp:

it wouldnt tell mythvideo what scraper to use

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wagnerrp:

it would just tell the scraper whether or not to run

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iamlindoro:

huh??

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo doesnt use inetref for anything but tossing it straight to the scraper

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iamlindoro:

Yes... so how would tacking on something to that field tell the scraper whether it should run?

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wagnerrp:

if its not the identifier it uses, it wouldnt run

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iamlindoro:

so you *would* have to parse that info out

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iamlindoro:

and to what end?

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iamlindoro:

What do you gain by stopping the grabber from running?

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wagnerrp:

prevent complication of running one scraper with another's ID

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iamlindoro:

that's absolutely the wrong way to do that IMO

[06:18:45]

iamlindoro:

directory preferences are how it should be done

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iamlindoro:

There is *no* reason to complicate the inetref with a grabber identifier

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iamlindoro:

and again, two pieces of information which need to be picked apart are contrary to the behavior of every field in MythVideo (and likely MythTV)

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kormoc:

DEATH TO CONCAT!

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iamlindoro:

all moot anyway, as I said, Anduin will add a new field that references the last grabber that was run on a record

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iamlindoro:

I still strongly believe that directory preferences are the right way to handle it

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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wagnerrp:

although to that point, there is no reason to make any changes to how tmdb operates until that happens

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iamlindoro:

There is no reason we should sacrifice usability and twist ourselves into knots to preserve what is essentially a broken usage paradigm

[06:24:35]

iamlindoro:

running a new grabber on a record that was populated by an old grabber *should* cause a problem. Any normal human being should *expect* it to cause a problem

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wagnerrp:

well it would be a ~5min fix to change that

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iamlindoro:

and to sacrifice our ability to do things right from this point on to preserve those people's records is stupid

[06:25:33]

wagnerrp:

a quick change to tmdb.pl, and then a short little script that looks up the tmdbid based off the imdbid, and replaces it in the database

[06:26:00]

iamlindoro:

fee free

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iamlindoro:

feel free

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: you know if there is any sort of time limit between queries? i dont want to hammer their API servers

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gbee:

heh, apparently the episode of Pushing Daisies last night hasn't been shown in the US yet

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Captain_Murdoch:

gbee, I think that's off the air in the US. It hasn't been on since December 17th here.

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balachmar:

Is there a way to reinstall my system without losing my recording and database. But without doing an actual backup of all the recording. (That would take too much time and space) /var/lib is a separate partition and all recording are on it. Would it be safe to reinstall ubuntu and hope the data is not touched?

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at0m|c:

balachmar: i'd at least backup the database (see the wiki for a howto backup and restore after install), and ~/.mythtv/, /etc/mythtv

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at0m|c:

that's how i'd go about that, maybe others can add to that

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balachmar:

at0m|c thanks for the tip!

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ultra-:

hello

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ultra-:

does anybody know of any pc based multi-room audio and maybe video systems?

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ultra-:

preferably something that accesses the multimedia via ethernet

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tank-man:

never heard of such a thing ...

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tank-man:

^ sarcasm

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tank-man:

this is what mythtv does

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tank-man:

it is pc based, can be used in multi rooms and is connected via ethernet

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gbee:

multi-room audio makes me think of playing the same thing in multiple rooms at once in sync? If that's what you mean, mythtv can't do that (pulse audio can and might be used in conjunction with mythtv)

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gbee:

but something that just lets you access you music/video stored in one central location from any ethernet connected machine, then yes mythtv will do that (not perfect atm, since in the stable version it still requires the use of NFS)

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pj_london:

Hello. I have an ASUS My Cinema-P7131 Hybrid card that works fine in my ubuntu 64bit system when used with kaffeine, or vlc, etc. I am only using as a DVB-T card, i.e. I am not using the analogue receiver. I have tried getting it to work with mythtv but to no avail. It is recognized by the configuration, but when it comes to scanning for channels, I only ever get "timeout" messages. I tried...

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pj_london:

...loading a separately generated channels.conf file, but that also doesn't seem to work.

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pj_london:

Any suggestions?

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pj_london:

Apologies if this is a frequently asked question. I tried searching the archives but couldn't find anything that looked relevant to me.

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iamlindoro:

"But having the solitary recommendations

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iamlindoro:

server under the control of the devs isn't necessarily A Good Thing; devs have shown in the past that they feel under some pressure from the entertainment industry."

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iamlindoro:

Uhhhhhhhhhhh

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iamlindoro:

Is that in inference that the "thou shalt not steal" rule of MythTV is rubbing people the wrong way?

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Captain_Murdoch:

might be in reference to us not wanting a torrent client in mythfrontend that would draw attention because of it's perceived inappropriate use. And I'm pretty sure that I remember asking ABC/NBC/CBS/etc. if I could skip their commercials before I wrote the commercial flagger or maybe I forgot, let me check my TODO list to make sure I checked that item off. :)

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Just amazing how people who (AFAIK) haven't ever done anything come out of the woodwork to express their opinion and derail the topic

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Captain_Murdoch:

RE: multi-room video. every year before the superbowl, I revive thinking about a patch I played with that would keep frontends in sync playing back a video, but I never find time to play with it. and the fact that I don't really watch the superbowl means it's not a huge priority for me.

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, yeah, when I read that, I was trying to remember if I'd ever seen a patch or many if any comments by that guy.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, But it's Open Source, right? That means you have to listen to everyone's opinions as equal, even if they've never ever contributed a patch or piped up before! ;)

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iamlindoro:

And if you don't think so, you don't "get" Open Source, man!

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, the open in open source means open to opinions from others.

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iamlindoro:

and that stealing's okay

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Captain_Murdoch:

the fact that the source is open is just a cooincidence.

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iamlindoro:

Indeed

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Captain_Murdoch:

some people think that just because I/we give away our time/source that it means we think others should to. most of the stuff out there I wouldn't use or watch even if it was free. :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

I wonder what the percentage of programs on freshmeat (or even in a mainstream distro) that I actually use is. It's pretty low on the app side.

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sphery:

pj_london: not here long, but it sounds like you need to increase the timeouts in MythTV (in mythtv-setup, IIRC)

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pj_london:

sphery: have been trying that, but no success yet.

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pj_london:

I found that suggestion also on http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=NovaT500 – and I am trying with the parameters suggested there, but still no luck.

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orly_owl:

is the WinFast TV2000 XP analog or DVB-T?

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orly_owl:

even the mythtv wiki doesnt tell me! :/

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orly_owl:

oh it appears to be DVB-T

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clever:

then edit the wiki!

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wagnerrp:

oh no, i agree with JVA

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jarle:

for some reason random recordings end up with no video (example log: http://pastebin.ca/1395783). I suspect there might be a problem tuning to channels sometimes. Which loglevel should I choose to get some more info about why the recording is not producing a video file?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm trying to set up my dedicated MythTV backend system, but I want to have sound in my OTA HDTV recordings from my pcHDTV HD-3000's. What sound card would you recommend? ;)

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laga:

sphery: do you have enough PCI slots? you'll need a sound card for each capture card

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sphery:

wow...

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sphery:

I'm thinking of going with the Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite Pro: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102015

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sphery:

That should give me good quality sound.

[16:23:38]

sphery:

But since I need 4 of them, it will get a bit pricey...

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sphery:

Anyway, it's kind of funny that there's so much confusion over the MythTV (via Qt) prerequisite of having X installed--and that it's not a requirement to have X configured/running.

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AndyCap:

do they even hava a vague promise of a driver some day in the future at the end of the rainbow?

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sphery:

for that sound blaster?

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AndyCap:

mm.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: seriously... they should talk to clever, he doesnt even have video cards in some of his machines

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sphery:

no idea... just picked it as the most expensive one--since there's no need for a sound card in a dedicated backend doing digital recording

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah

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AndyCap:

O_o

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: Creative put out a beta linux driver some number of months ago

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wagnerrp:

ive got it sitting somewhere on my harddrive, in the even i try to install linux on my desktop

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rockx0zone:

hey guys

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wagnerrp:

s/even/event/

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rockx0zone:

i got everything working last week finally.

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hume_:

hello...I have an issue that cannot find a solution to in the wiki or mailing lists, maybe becuase I am unsure of what to look for – here's the issue: in some films and some recordings I cannot jump forward or backward, it just jumps to the end – any ideas on what to search for or check?

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rockx0zone:

now im just trying to figure out how to get mythtv to recognize channels through a cable box

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wagnerrp:

honestly though, that thread is causing me pain

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sphery:

ugghhh... Amazon's Earth Day sale includes the "Editor's Picks", one of which is the "Green" MacBook...

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sphery:

Yeah, it's made of aluminum which /can/ be recycled (but will it?)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: im happy with my rubberized magnesium/titanium alloy

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AndyCap:

sphery: it will find it's way to Guiyu eventually. :)

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sphery:

I say go for the bamboo ones...

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sphery:

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/laptops/first-look . . . p-242759.php

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sphery:

that way when the completely eco-unfriendly Li-ion battery explodes, it will have a nice fuel source to make a really cool fire

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wagnerrp:

so they covered the metal and plastic innards with bamboo?

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sphery:

better pick @ http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/laptops/asus-updat . . . y-321609.php

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sphery:

yeah, that's basically it

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wagnerrp:

i think if youre seriously concerned about your laptop catching fire after the liion pack explodes, you need to re-evaluate your priorities

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sphery:

kind of like calling the aluminum macbook eco friendly because it's case (1/1000 of its weight or so :) is recyclable

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sphery:

actually, I'm just concerned about all these companies calling laptops eco-friendly

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kormoc:

sphery, to be fair, the macbook has more then just the case, http://www.apple.com/macbook/environment.html

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wagnerrp:

i mean theres actually discussion in the coments about that fire thing

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sphery:

really

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sphery:

yeah, the low power is good

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wagnerrp:

im surprised they didnt make it lead free

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gbee:

Apple rate pretty badly in the greenpeace league table though

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kormoc:

lead-free is quite hard with power supplies

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sphery:

and the toxins, and packaging are ok, but without a real comparison (especially since Apple recently got a very bad score for their company's green-ness)

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: thats the point

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sphery:

gbee: yeah, I was trying to remember what that's called

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wagnerrp:

you remove lead from the solder, the solder points leach

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wagnerrp:

and after a couple years, your laptop shorts out and you have to buy a new one

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gbee:

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/03/31/greenpeace_gtge_v11/

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sphery:

or you send it back to MS and they send you a different refurbished oen

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sphery:

oh, wait... that was the XBox 360 :)

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kormoc:

http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/ . . . -news-020507 "International ? We are cheering! Steve Jobs has decided to bring us closer to the greener apple that Mac users all over the world have been asking for."

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wagnerrp:

'25% more per pallet means we can fit more on each boat'

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wagnerrp:

forgive me if im wrong, but i thought shipping companies couldnt care less about size

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gbee:

and by stubbing out that cigarette, we're one step closer to eliminating Carbon emissions ....

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kormoc:

"Apple saw its score rise, albeit slightly, from 4.3 in the previous report to 4.7 points this time around."

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wagnerrp:

and cost was all a function of weight

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, nah, size is very important, you can only fit 30 pallets per truck, etc, which is why a pallet is a very specific size

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wagnerrp:

but that truck is only going to be able to carry so much weight

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, aye, but typically physical size is more the limiting factor then weight, esp with light stuff like computers

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kormoc:

"Apple should be commended for advertising the green credentials of its MacBooks, Greenpeace stressed"

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kormoc:

Greenpeace seems to think Apple's on the right track at least

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wagnerrp:

'the macbook can run on just one-quarter of the power of a single lightbulb'

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wagnerrp:

my ancient thinkbrick can make that claim

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sphery:

is that a single 100W lightbulb or a single 40W lightbulb?

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sphery:

or a single 11W CFL?

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wagnerrp:

mine can manage 1/4 of that 40w

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sphery:

nice

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sphery:

I think my cell phone uses more than that :)

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wagnerrp:

with the screen dim, and most stuff turned off, i can get it to around 8W usage

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wagnerrp:

i could do almost 10hrs on a new battery

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kormoc:

seems like the macbook only uses about 1A at 4V, or 4 watts

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kormoc:

that seems really wrong tho

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sphery:

yeah--especially when they're touting it as "one-quarter of the power of a single lightbulb"

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jarle:

hume_: guess you need to re-build the index of the video files

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sphery:

is someone actually talking about Myth stuff in here?

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kormoc:

Ahh, that's fully idle, under load it's 32W

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kormoc:

still not horrible

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sphery:

Ah, so the "one-quarter" lightbulb measurement must be the average "with typical usage" or something

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kormoc:

Yeah

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Captain_Murdoch:

they didn't mention it's a 500W halogen bulb they're talking about.

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sphery:

hume_: yeah, you need a seek table for any MPEG-2 videos you keep in MythVideo. Build it as directed in the wiki, but ensure you use --video (and note that you should use mythtranscode for MPEG-2): http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Repairing_the_Seektable

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: heh, maybe it would be a 300W since the 500W ones are typically illegal, now

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Captain_Murdoch:

never heard of that. I can find them lots of places online. even found a 1500W 240V version.

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Captain_Murdoch:

I think you can use that one to heat your house

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Captain_Murdoch:

hmm, a 2500W 115V G38 base halogen for only $928.19 quantity 1.

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jon___:

question..if I'm going to start over from scratch, what should I save from mythconverg re:HD tuners?

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jonK:

I have a semi-broken installation and would like to just start over — i figure I'm going to want to save mythconverg.channel and mythconverg.dtvmultiplex — anything else?

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tank-man:

whats mythconverg.channel ?database record name?

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jonK:

datbase table

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: Ah, it's actually the torchiere lamps that you can't buy with a UL listing with >300W bulbs. (UL only certifies torchiere fixtures of 300W or less, now.)

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hume_:

sphery, thx, great!

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kormoc:

jonK, .recorded or .oldrecorded perhpas

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sphery:

hume_: well, jarle was actually the one who answered first--I just gave a bit more detail :)

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sphery:

jonK: there are instructions for a "new hardware" restore in the HOWTO (but they're broken)

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hume_:

ok...:) thx, jarle

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sphery:

jonK: better would be to use the backup/restore scripts at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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tank-man:

obvious solution is full backup first :)

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sphery:

jonK: if you use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _plugin_data , everything works

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sphery:

jonK: if you use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _of_a_backup , you'll need to apply the patch at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6013

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sphery:

jonK: and mythconverg.channel, etc. is almost definitely not going to transfer over properly--your best bet is to rescan

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sphery:

jonK: but note that there's an ability to save your xmltvid's ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . nnel_scan.29 ) and import them after a rescan ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . channel_scan )

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sphery:

jonK: and if you don't care about recordings/rules/etc... Just start over and rescan (possibly after backing up xmltvids')

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jonK:

was just looking at that (xmltvids) I don't care about recordings — am having other problems so am just planning to nuke and pave the system — would like to save the appropriate configuration data for channels/frequencies on the HD cards though

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sphery:

that part has lots of ties to data in other tables

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sphery:

you're really best off just rescanning

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jonK:

damn... scanning was a pain

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sphery:

but now that you've successfully done it once, it's easier :)

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hume_:

jarle and sphery, I find the following on the page on repairing the seektable: Note: After rebuilding the seektable, any cutlist which has created for a recording will no longer be properly synced and should be recreated. – is this related to syncing subtiltes, and how do I do this?

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sphery:

I've done it enough that now the only pain is waiting for it to finish :)

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jonK:

then I may be asking you for help later this afternoon...

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jonK:

:)

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sphery:

hume_: cutlists are the edits you do to recordings to tell Myth to skip over commercials (technically, either the cutlist or the commflag list would need rebuilding, depending on which you had before the rebuild)

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sphery:

jonK: most important thing to remember, now, is if you have multi-core/multi-proc system, run: taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup

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sphery:

jonK: and make sure you do a full scan and don't use cable-high or anything

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hume_:

ok... is thera any way to adjust timing of subtiles that become out of sync? teletext subtiltes, that is

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sphery:

and I highly recommend fixing your xmltvid's /before/ ever running mythfilldatabase

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sphery:

hume_: TTBOMK, no... We only recently got an ability to adjust timing for audio and far fewer of us use subtitles than audio :)

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jonK:

just copied those notes to a text file — why use taskset as part of mythtv-setupp?

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sphery:

(I just find that if the subtitles/captions are a few seconds delayed, I don't have to rewind when I don't catch something they say--just look down once I miss something and soon I get to see what they said :)

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hume_:

ok, get it. we here in sweden rely heavily on subtitles, not least for family members not fluent in english....

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hume_:

problem is more often that subtitles are ahead....

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sphery:

jonK: there's a race condition that will cause a segfault most of the time when running on multi-core/multi-proc systems... taskset pins the process to a single core (i.e. easy workaround for a bug that's not worth fixing because the whole channel scanner is being ripped out and replaced with something much better)

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sphery:

hume_: yeah, it would be a worthwhile addition if you're feeling motivated to get in and do some coding :)

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hume_:

sphery, motivated: yes!! but competent......hardly..:(

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sphery:

It's just kind of low on my list (and, to tell the truth, getting EIA-708 (digital) captions working properly is much higher on my list than timing for captions/subtitles)

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hume_:

yeah, I understand that

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sphery:

but on the bright side, I turn on captions almost every time I watch TV (unless I'm watching with someone who hates captions), so I may eventually get to doing something like that :)

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jonK:

"jonK: there's a race condition that..." is that something that could be causing a kernel panic by mythcommflag? (never had any problems with running mythtv-setup)

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sphery:

no, it's only in the channel scanner part of mythtv-setup

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jonK:

ok

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sphery:

kernel panic during mythcommflag is likely a hardware issue

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sphery:

overheating, perhaps?

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jonK:

possible, but where to look to confirm?

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sphery:

I had a chipset that used to overheat (once or twice every 2 months--making it hard to diagnose)... After a year, I replaced the mobo with one with a different chipset and I've had a rock-solid system ever since.

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sphery:

unfortunately, I don't know of any good way to confirm the problem... the sensors data for my system wasn't precise enough to show any trends during the failures, but I could see the root of the panic was memory corruption and the RAM was good, so I decided it must be something to do with the part that moves data into memory

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sphery:

(this was an old Athlon XP system--and when I replaced the mobo, including north bridge chipset--I used the same CPU/RAM/and everything else, so if it wasn't the chipset, it was something else on that board :)

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jonK:

wow ... moving ~70gb of music off of the backend going to take under 45 minutes

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jonK:

wiring house for gigabit ethernet was good plan

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sphery:

nice...

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sphery:

I have gigabit-capable wiring and 2 gigabit switches, but only 2 gigabit NIC's in place.

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kormoc:

jonK, that's a really good rate for 100mbit cards (212 megabit per second)

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sphery:

kormoc: regarding priorities (but not useful info, so not mentioning in #mythtv), I use -2 to +2 for shows I want to ensure I don't miss episodes of. I use -3 to -5 for shows I really like, but that re-run enough I don't have to worry about missing an episode. And then I record movies. Since I have "many levels of want" for them but don't want to make it hard to use/confusing, I go anywhere from -20 to -90 for ...

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sphery:

... them--generally I spin the mouse wheel in the MythWeb prio drop down at some speed that's about proportional to how much I don't care if it doesn't record and then click a number in the visible area without really paying attention to the actual value.

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sphery:

I don't have a single show marked >2 priority, but I have a lot of rules < -50

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kormoc:

sphery, sure, but that would map correctly for mine, as it's just a percentage of the max/min ratings, not actual scores

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sphery:

well, whatever you guys decide on works for me as the record everything new and wait to see if it's worth watching approach is working well forme

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jonK:

on just a random note, I

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jonK:

I'm sure I'm late to the party — but I just discovered nx (nomachine)

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jonK:

and i like it-- so nice to not just use a shell connection to run the home-mythtv-system from the office

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J-e-f-f-A:

jonK: Yea, and TONS faster than vnc... ;-)

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GreggN1:

nick GreggN

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sphery:

GreggN1: you can borrow a slash from me, if you like: /

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GreggN1:

thanks sphery – learning to type on a netbook

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sphery:

ah, understandable... those things are small

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thedarkone:

what is a prebuffer pause ?

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cesman:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause

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austin_:

Does anyone in here have an hvr-1600?

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jonK:

I have two... but I never did get them to work for shit

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jonK:

gave one to a friend who tried to use it with MCE — had the same problem — just couldn't pull much of a signal.

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simcop2387:

anyone got a recommendation for an digital OTA card?

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simcop2387:

in the US

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cesman:

pcHDTV 5500

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** iamlindoro punches TMDB users for being unable to create a movie just *one* time **

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kormoc:

Ha

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kormoc:

"The number of computations are rather large and would not be done in a

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kormoc:

typical RDBMS (unless you wanted to wait weeks to be done with one run

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kormoc:

or spend $$$$), so the required infrastructure is very different from

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kormoc:

what people are used to (aka LAMP)."

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kormoc:

whoops

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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kormoc:

In anycase, wow, I really wanna know what sorta numbers he's talking bout, I was just playing with a mysql table with 280 million rows just fine with queries in the sub microsecond range

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iamlindoro:

That sounded off to me, even with multiple calculations it still doesn't seem like that huge a processing task

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kormoc:

We can handle well over a million requests per day on a single server at DT with datasets in the few TB range and multi-million row range with the traditional LAMP stack

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kormoc:

so I really worry bout what he's thinking this would require :)

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iamlindoro:

heh... I really think it should be taken off list

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iamlindoro:

too many people madly derailing the discussion

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iamlindoro:

The relevant myth people, and him, e-mailing each other. Best way to get right to the point and not have to deal with all the noise

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kormoc:

And he's also asking for data we can't give him. SD subscriber numbers are not public, and really, using that number for calculations is gonna leave most of the world out cold, not so nice

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, better to generalize and just estimate the number of myth users worldwide and leave some "give"

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iamlindoro:

assume every myth user will use it, make an educated guess about how many there are, then you don't underbuild

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kormoc:

ahh one key bit

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kormoc:

he's having the server figure out what shows each user has in the next two week window

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iamlindoro:

That's not necessary, is it?

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kormoc:

that *is* a ton of calculation, as we'd be uploading each user's lineups daily

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kormoc:

it's something we really can't do to be honest

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kormoc:

that's a metric buttload of data that really is meaningless

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kormoc:

the server should just send down a few dozen show titles and have the client see if they're on and when and all that, and if there's no matches, grab a few more, etc

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iamlindoro:

yeah, it seems like starting with just reporting recordings for that day the night after they happen will give it enough to start learning over time

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kormoc:

and limit it to only x number calculated deep anyway

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iamlindoro:

and then flag recordings that were recommended and subsequently accepted/recorded to "teach" it

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kormoc:

Yeah

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iamlindoro:

OK, we recommended a, b, and c, and he recorded c. Augment preference for shows like "c"

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kormoc:

We want to move as much processing to the client as we can, and we really shouldn't get in the mindset of 'always' available data or the like

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iamlindoro:

yeah, making the client do the work sounds sensible

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kormoc:

I just don't want to get into the idea of we're using 95% of the resources for 5% of the clients bit

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kormoc:

just to get them some recommendations

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kormoc:

imho this should just be a fairly simple light system, not doing an amazing amount of work

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iamlindoro:

Could let Mythfrontend "seed" the preferences with the lineup once, and then refine over time based on that

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iamlindoro:

er not the lineup, the recording schedule

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kormoc:

Aye

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kormoc:

the recommendations down bit

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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kormoc:

I figure if we toss down sat 25 recommendations and none match, oh well

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kormoc:

it seems like he's pushing for that never to happen, only send down recommendations that are matches

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iamlindoro:

Another possible good use for your locale stuff, too, recommend based on area (or at least country)

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kormoc:

Yeah, that'd be easy

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Nockian:

i have a remote configured with a homebrew serial IR receiver and lirc, and i can see that it's working when i run 'irw' to test, and see things like '000000000000ac01 00 DOWN Cable' and '000000000000ec06 00 RIGHT Cable' when i use the remote buttons... but mythtv doesn't do anything when i use the remote. any suggestions on where to read up on?

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** Captain_Murdoch finds a bug in either iptables or the kernel in openwrt that causes his port redirect fo rhis mail server to go to port 26 instead of port 25 as given on the command line, so he works around it by telling iptables to forward mail to port 24 on the mail server which hits the bug and gets sent to port 25 as desired. **

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rooau1:

Captain_Murdoch: Until the bug is fixed 18 months later and you wonder how it ever worked on port 24 in the first place. :P

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Captain_Murdoch:

nah, I put a comment in my firewall script. :)

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