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Tuesday, April 14th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

based off ubuntu (obviously)

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wagnerrp:

their site does appear to be down

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wagnerrp:

ugliefrog: if you do go with mythbuntu, note that they add a whole slew of helper apps

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Witch_Doc:

does mythtv support hulu?

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wagnerrp:

so aside from running mythtv-setup, installation will be different

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Witch_Doc:

or is it only via the plugin mythfeed?

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wagnerrp:

Witch_Doc: there is mythvodka, which is an unsupported 3rd party plugin

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wagnerrp:

but i dont know if it still works after the hulu/boxee stuff a while back

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Witch_Doc:

hmm ok

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ugliefrog:

wagnerrp: im going with it im going to load it in virtual box and try it out

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Witch_Doc:

what would be the best way to stream hulu to a tv? anyone doing this currently?

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wagnerrp:

boxee

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Witch_Doc:

k

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wagnerrp:

from what i gather, hulu doesnt care what you do with the content, so long as you watch the ads

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wagnerrp:

but the content providers are not yet ready for it to be easy to watch on your tv

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Witch_Doc:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

so dont expect any long term solution beyond running their flash player directly

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Witch_Doc:

is .22 the latest version of mythtv?

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meshe:

ugliefrog: setup in mythbuntu is much easier with their helper apps, mythfrontend and mythtv-setup are identical though

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wagnerrp:

i believe that is what boxee now does

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meshe:

mythbuntu auto-configures lirc with a couple of clicks along with a few other things, it's quite nice

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wagnerrp:

0.21 is the latest version of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

beyond that is trunk, which is the development branch

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Witch_Doc:

ok

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ugliefrog:

meshe: it looks nice, viewing video in youtube

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Witch_Doc:

so is it possible to setup a mythtv box and hook it up to a sattelite connection from dishnet for example?

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meshe:

ugliefrog: i would recommend 8.10 as 9.04 is still in beta

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wagnerrp:

those broadcasts are usually encrypted, leaving the only course of action to use their STB and an analog capture card

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ugliefrog:

meshe: oh no. lol :) um ok ill get that one after 9.04 finishes

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wagnerrp:

trunk includes support for the HDPVR, which will allow you to capture component video out of their STB

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Witch_Doc:

hmm cool

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meshe:

ugliefrog: i've seen a couple of people have some wierd issues with 9.04, i would wait till it's fully released before using it

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meshe:

all of my production myth boxes are mythbuntu 8.10

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wagnerrp:

ugh... my backend borked for some reason

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wagnerrp:

missing the big bang theory, and the first half of chuck

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wagnerrp:

and go figure... the one time it doesnt record, is the one time my sister decides not to watch it live

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thedarkone:

some reason my mythtv don''t allow me to set a recording

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wagnerrp:

you have tuners set up fully, and the backend is running?

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thedarkone:

yes

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wagnerrp:

can you watch livetv?

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thedarkone:

i can watch tv

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thedarkone:

but can't record it

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wagnerrp:

you cant hit 'r' to record livetv/

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thedarkone:

it says recording

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thedarkone:

but noithing

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wagnerrp:

consult the logs

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thedarkone:

i will

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thedarkone:

Table 'mythconverg.record' doesn't exist

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oobe:

i made a script to show my frontend status on local and remote machines using query status but i want to clean up the out put of the video file that is being played i tried using grep -v /path/to/video but it deletes the whole line i want the output to go to a text file so i thought about using sed does anyone have any ideas

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wagnerrp:

well thats a problem!

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wagnerrp:

perhaps your database crashed?

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thedarkone:

well i see it there

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thedarkone:

nope did not crash

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thedarkone:

it missing stuff

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iamlindoro:

"<thedarkone> i saved all my database tables one by one"

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iamlindoro:

"thedarkone> now i restalled myth"

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wagnerrp:

oobe: grep only works on whole lines

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iamlindoro:

Needless to say, that's not how it's done

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wagnerrp:

oobe: sed and awk can be used to modify the lines themselves

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oobe:

echo -e "query location\nexit" | nc box 6546 | grep "#" | sed 's/\/data\/Documents\/media\/vids\///g'

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thedarkone:

yeah

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oobe:

nice this is what i was looking for or variations there of

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iamlindoro:

This is how it's done properly: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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oobe:

i tried reading some sed documentation but its over my head

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wagnerrp:

you can do a lot with some simple find and replace 's'

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oobe:

wagnerrp, is that what that line does i dont know a lot about sed

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oobe:

i knew it was what i needed but i spent ages reading the other night and couldnt find it

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wagnerrp:

replace '/data/Documents/media/vids' with nothing, do it every time found

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wagnerrp:

s/<original>/<new>/[modifier]

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oobe:

is it possible to have it delete the complete path even though the paths change

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wagnerrp:

if you can write the regex to do it

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oobe:

i.e Playback Video 00:33:18 1x moviez/action/confidence.avi 49961 25 is the output now

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oobe:

but i want it to say Playbacl confidence.avi

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oobe:

but my dir structure also has other catagories and sub catagories

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oobe:

what is a regex

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wagnerrp:

regular expression

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oobe:

ok how would i do that

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oobe:

im reading about it now

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oobe:

i see its not somthing you can simply answer in one line

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wagnerrp:

likely not

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wagnerrp:

you want only 'Playback' and the final file name?

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wagnerrp:

how about just the file name

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wagnerrp:

because youre going to pipe that response to a variable, pick out the first word, and act differently based off it

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oobe:

yes that would do nicely

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oobe:

so how would i get sed to remote anything preceding instances of /

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wagnerrp:

sed -e 's/^.*\///;s/ .*$//'

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wagnerrp:

that runs two replaces, sequentially

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wagnerrp:

it searches for a deletes everything from the start of the line '^ to '/'

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wagnerrp:

everything is '.*'

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wagnerrp:

since its a greedy search, it matches the last '/' rather than the first

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wagnerrp:

then it deletes everything from ' ' to the end of the line '$', again being greedy about it

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wagnerrp:

should leave you with just the base file, plus extension

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Tomasu:

anyone have some personal experience and anecdotes for how well the qt4 port works these days? does it work as well as 21-fixes?

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wagnerrp:

if you want to lop off the extension as well, add a 's/\..*$//'

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wagnerrp:

semicolon in between commands, as before

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oobe:

wow this works great now is it possible to get sed to put this line in after "MythVideo is Playing" so the output to file is MythVideo is Playing confidence.avi

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wagnerrp:

there is no 'qt4 port'

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Tomasu:

well the rewrite then ;)

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wagnerrp:

trunk uses qt4, and works just fine

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wagnerrp:

but there are still chunks missing

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Tomasu:

so long as tv recording, live tv and video watching work, I can live without the rest.

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wagnerrp:

oobe: presumably youre running this in a script, so you are checking to see if its in 'Playback' mode first?

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Tomasu:

then again, I also kind of need the auto wakeup/shutdown stuff these days too

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oobe:

yeah do want to see what i have done so far

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oobe:

i posted it on a forum just after i wrote it

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wagnerrp:

just do "whatever_variable = `echo $other_variable | bigolsed`"

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Tomasu:

maybe I'll give it a shot when I get a new tv (should happen soon ;))

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wagnerrp:

and then 'echo "MythVideo is Playing $whatever_variable"'

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oobe:

what is whatever_variable

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oobe:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1123403 this is what i have done its slightly modified since i put it there

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wagnerrp:

whatever_variable is whatever_variable

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wagnerrp:

its your script, you can name it whatever you want

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wagnerrp:

also, note that 'Playback Video' means mythvideo, while 'Playback Recorded' means tv recordings

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wagnerrp:

so something starting with 'playback' doesnt mean mythvideo

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oobe:

good point

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oobe:

i will amend that

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wagnerrp:

you see where he keeps repeatedly querying the socket for information

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wagnerrp:

dont do that

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wagnerrp:

just do it once, and end at netcat

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wagnerrp:

run that to a variable

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wagnerrp:

and then process the variable

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oobe:

ok so use nc once and have it do all of them at once

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wagnerrp:

so do a 'res = `echo -s "query location\nexit" | nc $server_address 6546`'

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wagnerrp:

and then 'echo $res | grep "Playback Recorded"', or 'grep "Playback Video"'

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wagnerrp:

for your location tests

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oobe:

so res is a variable

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wagnerrp:

also, bash has a 'elif' so you dont need all those nested if statements

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wagnerrp:

it made a valiant effort, but he doesnt seem to have much experience with scripting

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wagnerrp:

*he

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oobe:

you mean me

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oobe:

yes i know it is just my way of learning

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wagnerrp:

the guy whos script you lined to

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wagnerrp:

linked

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oobe:

i wrote it

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oobe:

its mine

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wagnerrp:

oh, right... oobe-feisty

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oobe:

yea :P

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wagnerrp:

yeah, elif

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wagnerrp:

not else... if

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wagnerrp:

in big if statement

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wagnerrp:

not a crapton of nested ones

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oobe:

i mean its not that important to have this working on conky its the practice and refinement im after

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oobe:

i tried elif i got it wrong and else wasnt working until i relised i need to add a fi at the bottom for each instance

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oobe:

i read a bit about if then else scripting but to tell you the truth i couldnt find exactly what i needed so i kept modifying it until somthing worked

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oobe:

server_address=$LOCALHOST

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oobe:

server_address=$REMOTE

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oobe:

RES=echo -s "query location\nexit" | nc $server_address 6546

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oobe:

will that work?

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wagnerrp:

you need the `s

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wagnerrp:

` means 'run whatever is inside me'

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oobe:

yeah tested it so the telnet comes back with me dont know -s

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oobe:

im trying to make sense of "'res = `echo -s "query location\nexit" | nc $server_address 6546`'"

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oobe:

i dont know how to implement it

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wagnerrp:

youre really going wild with the quotes there

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wagnerrp:

get rid of the outside " and ' when you put it in the script

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wagnerrp:

that will run the command, and store the result as 'res'

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oobe:

i was quoting you

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oobe:

how do i use this line 'res = `echo -s "query location\nexit" | nc $server_address 6546`

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oobe:

RES='res = `echo -s "query location\nexit" | nc $server_address 6546`

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wagnerrp:

my bad, no spaces on either side of the equals

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wagnerrp:

'res' is just the variable

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wagnerrp:

you dont need to store that to 'RES'

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oobe:

res=`echo -s "query location\nexit" | nc $server_address 6546`

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wagnerrp:

and trying to do so will just fail

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wagnerrp:

that should work

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wagnerrp:

and that will give you the full response

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oobe:

then i use it like this ?

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oobe:

cat $res | grep some string

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wagnerrp:

echo, cat is only for use with files

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oobe:

echo $res | grep some string

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oobe:

ok thanks

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wagnerrp:

and if you have a space in a grep sequence, you need to quote it

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oobe:

yeah i was being lazy

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oobe:

grep some\ string should work to

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wagnerrp:

quotes are easier to read than escapes

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oobe:

so can i just replace all the elses if elif and remote all the fi's at the bottom

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wagnerrp:

yeah, instead of 'else... if bleh_bleh_bleh' just do 'elif bleh_bleh_bleh'

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oobe:

replace all the elses *with elif

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oobe:

like this elif (echo -e "query location\nexit" | nc $LOCALHOST 6546 | grep -v PlaybackBox | grep -q Playback\Recorded); then

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wagnerrp:

replace the 'echo | nc' with 'echo $res'

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wagnerrp:

you already have the response, no need to get it again

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oobe:

yeah i understand im doing it now

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oobe:

works fine

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oobe:

but my remote fe is down and i get a no route to host error

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oobe:

if you notice i had a ping set to make the script go to EOF but it no longer seems to work

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oobe:

apart from that it works great thanks

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oobe:

wagnerrp, i figured out why the ping wasnt working it was but i put the remote host variable the top so it slowed the script down

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oobe:

but i put RES2=`echo -s "query location\nexit" | nc $REMOTE 6546` after the ping test and works like normal

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oobe:

im still having trouble implementing "echo -e "query location\nexit" | nc box 6546 | grep "Playback Video" | sed -e 's/^.*\///;s/ .*$//' | sed -e 's/\..*$//'"

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oobe:

is it alright if i pastebin what i think should work

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oobe:

but doesnt

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wagnerrp:

no no no... 's/^.*\///;s/ .*$//;s/\..*$//'

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wagnerrp:

one big command

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wagnerrp:

you *can* split it up, and it should work fine

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wagnerrp:

but theres no need to

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wagnerrp:

just pastebin, ill edit as needed

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oobe:

http://pastebin.com/m3bfae18

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wagnerrp:

i believe there is a way to do inline functions, but that 'SEDDY' thing is not the way

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wagnerrp:

post the full script

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oobe:

ok the only thing that wont work is the sed thing

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oobe:

would be fine if i just wanted the video title

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oobe:

http://pastebin.com/m37a0de0d

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Dagmar:

Why are you using echo -e

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wagnerrp:

you only needed the -e when you had backslashes, when you were piping endline characters into netcat

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oobe:

ok i havent bothered changing it should it now be echo -s

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Dagmar:

*facepalm*

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oobe:

ok i just read the man page no suffix needed

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poerschr:

I have a question regarding s-video output with a mac mini. While the computer is connected to the monitor (1152x864), mythbuntu loads up perfectly. However, when I connect to the tv (via s-video out) the screen hangs at the xfce panel – I cannot access programs / mouse on screen. Modifications of xorg.conf have no effect (is xorg.conf even used anymore?) / mythbuntu 9.04 beta / mac mini 2.0 MB139LL/A / s-video out

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poerschr:

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Dagmar:

I could have sworn I scribbled up a non-suck perl script to do this

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oobe:

Dagmar, thanks you did help

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oobe:

im doing somthing different

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Dagmar:

You should bury that shell script before it starts to stink

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oobe:

its not the same thing im trying to achieve

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oobe:

yes well would help if you knew what it was sposed to do and that it works already

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Dagmar:

It's possible you don't actually want to just pound the crap out of port 6546

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oobe:

yeah

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Dagmar:

What you posted into pastebin is a travesty

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oobe:

thanks im learning

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oobe:

so wagnerrp in order for echo "MythVideo Menu On $REMOTE is Playing $SEDDY" > $OUTPUTFILE2 to work i need to modify the sed line to do inline functions?

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wagnerrp:

try http://pastebin.com/m684c91c3

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iamlindoro:

Anduin, looking like a busy week? (This is your weekly ping, then I shut up until next week)

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kormoc:

Heh, whoops

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kormoc:

I filled up my innodb datafiles...

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: there is a good chance this weekend won't be a working one, may even have time before but not much

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iamlindoro:

k

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oobe:

wagnerrp, its not working but i can see what you mean i will try and break it down and use it

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MeriX:

Hey, is anyone around to give me a little help getting a Hauppauge HVR-1700 working?

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MeriX:

Main problem is I cant find /dev/video0

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Lexridge:

MeriX: type dmesg|less to see if Linux is finding your card.

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iamlindoro:

It's moot, the analog side won't work in Myth

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iamlindoro:

The HVR-1700 is the DVB equivalent of the HVR-1800, which has the same problem

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Lexridge:

oh, is HVR1700 a digital only card?

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iamlindoro:

no, it's Digital/analog, but the MPEg-2 encoder will not work in Myth, just as the HVR-1800s won't

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MeriX:

Its finding the card and loading the firmware in

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MeriX:

I only want the dvb-t side working, I dont care about analog

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wagnerrp:

it works fine in linux, but mythtv cant use the analog side

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iamlindoro:

MeriX, if you don't care about analog, why do you care about /dev/video0?

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Lexridge:

Merix: do you have a /dev/dvb?

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wagnerrp:

to use the digital side, you have to tell mythtv you have a dvb card

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iamlindoro:

As that's the analog device

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wagnerrp:

you are telling it you have a v4l card

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wagnerrp:

there should be a dropdown that gives you a list of card types

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wagnerrp:

directly above the path top the card

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MeriX:

I'm not sure, I thought you needed /dev/video0 to get it working

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wagnerrp:

for analog, yes

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MeriX:

What should I put the location as

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wagnerrp:

digital should be /dev/dvb/adapter0

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wagnerrp:

but you shouldnt put it as anthing

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wagnerrp:

you should tell mythtv you have a dvb card

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv will detect that it exists in /dev/dvb/adaptor0

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wagnerrp:

if you have to manually type the location, youre already doing something wrong

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MeriX:

ok, so doing the config now, it comes up with the device no problem

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MeriX:

So i add the device

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MeriX:

Now I need to do a channel scan

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wagnerrp:

now you need to add a video source

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MeriX:

Ok, so add a video source

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MeriX:

For listing grabbers there isnt one for Australia

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MeriX:

Should i select "no grabber"

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iamlindoro:

Your right, there's not one, there's two

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wagnerrp:

if you dont have a listings grabber, use EIT

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iamlindoro:

shepherd and some other paid one

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wagnerrp:

if you cant get EIT data, there is no point to using mythtv

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MeriX:

Ok, so use EIT

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MeriX:

Then I setup the frequency for austalia

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wagnerrp:

use one of the listings grabbers, EIT is last resort if xmltv doesnt work

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meshe:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Australian_TV_Listings

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wagnerrp:

hey look! im a developer now!

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Lexridge:

Has anyone had any problems using mythfrontend with ALSA-JACK plugin? It works for about 30 seconds, then totally disappears from the jack connections window until I restart mythfrontend, then the same thing again..

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Lexridge:

I'm only using ALSA-JACK because selecting JACK directly does not work at all. :(

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kormoc:

you could just drop JACK entirely

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poerschr:

Anyone have any experience with s-video out on a mac mini?

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Lexridge:

kormoc: Yes, I could, but I use so many jack apps, and it's so nice to be able to patch anything to anywhere and have qjackctl's patchbay remember it all. I find it hard to give up the "power". :)

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MeriX:

Ok, so my problem now when I do a scan I get the error "timeout Scanning" offset 1 — no signal" "Timeout scanning — no signal"

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MeriX:

any idea's?

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sphery:

increase the timeout?

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sphery:

MeriX: ^^^

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MeriX:

Changed timeout to 3 seconds, same errors

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MeriX:

I can see the signal strength but i cant see the signal/noise

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sphery:

MeriX: some cards don't report SNR

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sphery:

If I remember correctly, that is

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MeriX:

still getting timeouts

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MeriX:

I'm going to try and do a (dvb)scan using the channels conf

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sphery:

you'll get the best results using the MythTV internal scanner

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sphery:

importing a channels.conf isn't guaranteed to work right

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sphery:

but it can be a good test of whether the problem is your Myth config or your hardware

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sphery:

(or drivers--but basically Myth or "something else")

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MeriX:

I'm getting "tuning failed!!!" errors

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sphery:

that probably means a problem with the drivers or the firmware (are you /sure/ you have the right firmware and have installed it properly) or hardware

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sphery:

I'd lean toward firmware issues

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clever:

dmesg|tail

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MeriX:

http://202.172.101.26/20090414dmesg.txt

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MeriX:

My only consern is that perhaps I'm using the atsc (US) firmware rather than the dvb-t drivers

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MeriX:

but the 1700 is dvb only, and the tuner would be specific to dvb-t

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MeriX:

Any idea's guys?

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MeriX:

I'll send something to the person who can help solve my problem :)

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MeriX:

I've got a killzone2 ps3 game to give away ;D

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wagnerrp:

disappointing?

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iamlindoro:

not to mention "unplayable in the PS3s of most people in this channel"

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MeriX:

true

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wagnerrp:

how so?

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iamlindoro:

region locked

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iamlindoro:

and he's in .au

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wagnerrp:

oh, right

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MeriX:

This is a sony promo unit, I'm not sure if its region free

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MeriX:

but it could be

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MeriX:

I'll send you something "australian"

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MeriX:

;D

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MeriX:

1x baby eaten by a dingo

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

aww.... now i have to go watch through tropic thunder again

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sphery:

Looks like your firmware is loading fine

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kormoc:

Someone has to think of the children!

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MeriX:

Should the tuner turn up in a lspci -vvv ?

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MeriX:

the tda10048?

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kormoc:

assuming it's a pci device

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sphery:

MeriX: got proper permissions on the device nodes?

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MeriX:

the cx23885 comes up

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sphery:

what user is running mythtv-setup?

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MeriX:

cbntv is the user I'm running it under

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wagnerrp:

you should probably be running it under mythtv

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wagnerrp:

most distros run the backend as mythtv

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MeriX:

root:video 212 is the owner of the /dev/dvb/adapter0

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sphery:

can you pastebin the output of: ls -ld /dev/dvb/adapter0{,/*}

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MeriX:

whats the password for mythtv?

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sphery:

and: groups cbntv

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MeriX:

or do I change it?

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sphery:

what distro?

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MeriX:

mythbuntu

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sphery:

probably some sudo thing...

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sphery:

sudo -u mythtv mythtv-setup

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sphery:

perhaps?

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sphery:

(don't know if HOME will be properly set, that way, though)

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meshe:

usually not with sudo

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meshe:

sudo su – mythtv mythtv-setup

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meshe:

maybe

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MeriX:

cant open mythtv-setup

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gbutters:

which branch

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Dagmar:

Don't guess.

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sphery:

that may be because of X auth

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sphery:

Dagmar: got a better answer?

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cbntv:

http://pastebin.com/m4341fb6b

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meshe:

yeah, as soon as you su you lose your X env variables

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MeriX:

thats the pastebin for sphery

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sphery:

MeriX: groups cbntv

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sphery:

perms look good

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cbntv:

http://pastebin.com/m35fbcf73

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sphery:

just wondering if cbntv is in video group

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cbntv:

its not!

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sphery:

that's the problem

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cbntv:

OK, added

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cbntv:

I'm going to try the scan again

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gbutters:

running trunk build??

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sphery:

cbntv: note, also, if you have a multi-core/multi-proc system, you'll almost definitely have to use: taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup

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sphery:

to pin it to one processor so you don't trigger a race condition that causes a segfault

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meshe:

is that just for channel scanning?

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sphery:

yeah, just for scanning

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MeriX:

Still getting tuning failed

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cbntv:

http://pastebin.com/d2d91a617

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MeriX:

gbutters: trunk build?

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MeriX:

I'm using the 8.10 release

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cbntv:

Linux cbntv-desktop 2.6.27-11-generic #1 SMP Wed Apr 1 20:57:48 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux

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MeriX:

sphery: There is no segfaults in dmesg

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sphery:

MeriX: did you log out and log back in

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sphery:

you probably don't have the new group perms

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sphery:

i.e. log cbntv out, then log in, then try the scan

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MeriX:

logging out now

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MeriX:

Still getting scanning failures

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MeriX:

same errors as before

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sphery:

hmmm.... I'm out of ideas

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MeriX:

sphery, when you do a lspci -vvv do you get the tuner and something else

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sphery:

the guys in #ubuntu-mythtv might be better able to help you with doing things like running it as mythtv user (or loggin in as mythtv user)

[04:45:33]

sphery:

MeriX: nope... no mention of tuner, just of the card itself

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sphery:

i.e.: Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio

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sphery:

actually, I get a Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05) /and/ a Multimedia controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [MPEG Port] (rev 05)

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sphery:

nothing says tuner, but it does have 2 ID's for each capture card

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sphery:

(I think one of them is just the V4L analog side of my HD-3000 and the other is the "DVB" (ATSC) side)

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MeriX:

I'm starting to think firmware of the tuner its self

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MeriX:

I was getting some errors on it before, but it stopped

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MeriX:

Do you know a good place to get my hands on dvb-fe-tda10048–1.0.fw ?

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clever:

google

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wagnerrp:

come on... you need to take advantage of the howto-use-google sites at every opportunity

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MeriX:

its hard to find a place to download it

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clever:

i keep forgeting about those:P

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MeriX:

I've already got one, but i think it could be the cause of the problem

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MeriX:

I'm asking if you know of a good repository of firmwares

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meshe:

MeriX: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/all/linux-firmware/filelist

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meshe:

http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/linux-firmware

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MeriX:

it has dvb-fe-tda10046 not dvb-fe-tda10048

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lansing20:

is anyone firmilar with the sprint mogul?

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Pebby:

Hmm.. it appears Comcast stopped broadcasting analog signal? My NTSC tuner doesn't get anything above channel 35 anymore. Are us analog folks mostly just screwed?

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tank-man:

isnt that the digital thing? or maybe youve never seen the commercials about it :)

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Pebby:

Commercials... watching with mythtv? ;)

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Pebby:

I haven't seen a commercial in years

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Pebby:

I didn't realize Comcast was transitioning to non-NTSC too, I thought it was just over the air... hmm. Guess it's back to tearing my hair out over the HVR-1600 and QAM :(

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Pebby:

Oh, wait... it was the HVR-1800. Anyone had any luck with one?

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MeriX:

Might have more luck than my HVR-1700

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MeriX:

:P

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Pebby:

Hehe... I bought another Hauppauge because the PVR-150 worked so faithfully for me, and the wiki said it was supported well enough

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oobe:

hey wagnerrp thanks heaps i got it all sorted now thanks to you

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RyeBrye:

http://pastebin.com/m5fd276f0 any ideas? freesurround.cpp:32:21: error: qstring.h: No such file or directory – I've built trunk on this machine before without problems

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i_is_cat:

power went out on my system last night now its back up and my webcam is being recognized as /dev/video0 i went to the mythtv-setup and selected the analog v4l tuner and set it to /dev/video1 for the tuner but it wont accept it and keeps trying to use the webcam

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Sulx:

mythfilldatabase...

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stuarta:

ah the fun of udev

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i_is_cat:

stuarta, thanks i couldnt remember wtf it was i was trying to google.. i've read the info about setting devices to specific nodes but couldnt remember wtf it was called.. its a bad day today

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stuarta:

mine's worse, when the usb dvb-t stick is in a cold state i get 1. dvb-s 2. dvb-t-1a 3. dvb-t-1b

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stuarta:

in a warm state

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stuarta:

1. dvb-t-1a 2. dvb-s 3. dvb-t-2b

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stuarta:

so the dvb-s card splits the two halves of the dual dvb-t stick

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i_is_cat:

sounds like fun.. my slackware router also lost power and now decided its not going to route

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stuarta:

hit it :-p

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i_is_cat:

im about ready to lol

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janneg:

stuarta: adapter_nr module option is your friend

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janneg:

i_is_cat: many video drivers have a similar option video_nr

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i_is_cat:

?

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stuarta:

janneg: i'll have to revisit and find out

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stuarta:

couldn't get to the bottom of it before

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gbee:

I keep thinking that we really need some other way, aside from the adapter number, to track which card is which in mythbackend

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gbee:

I don't suppose we can get a serial number or similar from the card?

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stuarta:

udevinfo does provide a fair bit of info

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i_is_cat:

i dont have udevinfo

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i_is_cat:

which is not helpful at all

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stuarta:

which is meant to be enough to uniquely identify a device so you can reassign it's adaptor numbers etc

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** stuarta throws a package manager search tool at i_is_cat **

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i_is_cat:

lol package manager

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i_is_cat:

thats one of the reasons i dont use a distro like ubuntu

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stuarta:

lemme guess? gentoo?

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i_is_cat:

slackware

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stuarta:

crap, i haven't used that for about 10 years

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i_is_cat:

i like it

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stuarta:

i moved to debian

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i_is_cat:

i find it odd theres no udevinfo

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i_is_cat:

but i like it

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stuarta:

gbee: i believe the same info can be found from /sys as well

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i_is_cat:

i tried goign through the /sys dir to find the tuner but not sure which bit of info is the one i need lol im only like half way through the udev rules page im reading..

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** stuarta wonders if there's something like a QUERY_INDENTITY ioctl that we can perform on the dvb frontend **

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stuarta:

pci devices will have a pci id

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stuarta:

usb-devices do have something we can query from them i believe

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janneg:

udevinfo is deprecated, use udevadm info instead

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tank-man:

udevinfo is old

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tank-man:

yea what janneg said

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** stuarta wonders if there's an echo in here... **

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stuarta:

someone needs to rewrite some wiki pages then i believe

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gbee:

Slackware has no package manager? Sure about that?

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tank-man:

yea "ldd" :)

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gbee:

unfortunately, at least on Mandriva, udevadm is root only

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tank-man:

lsusb will show info about usb devices

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gbee:

heh, looks like it doesn't in the sense of a dependancy based package manager, but it does have one

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gbee:

must be hell to use

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gbee:

and according to wikipedia that changed with 12.2, it now has an official dependancy checking package manager (no suprise really)

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tank-man:

what is the official dependancy checking package manager?

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gbee:

slackpkg

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gbee:

heh, if you believe wikipedia, it doesn't even officially support 64bit platforms

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stuarta:

ugg

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i_is_cat:

i have a 64bit system but i didnt really like slamd64 when i tried it.. too buggy

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gbee:

like the logo though, tux with a pipe, as if to say "Slackware, the distro your grandfather used"

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iamlindoro:

I can die happy-- my 1080p copy of The Last Starfighter has arrived

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gbee:

no comment

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iamlindoro:

You leave The Last Startfighter alone!

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RyeBrye:

http://pastebin.com/m5fd276f0 any ideas? freesurround.cpp:32:21: error: qstring.h: No such file or directory – I've built trunk on this machine before without problems

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gbee:

gladly

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iamlindoro:

yeesh, rough

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RyeBrye:

any thoughts on why libmythfreesurround would be failing to build for me? error is: freesurround.cpp:32:21: error: qstring.h: No such file or directory

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RyeBrye:

and freesurround.cpp:33:23: error: qdatetime.h: No such file or directory

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iamlindoro:

lack of or broken Qt install

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RyeBrye:

Hm. Maybe ubuntu broke it. I'll poke at it

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, that was most likely it. somehow my libqt4-dev was no longer installed on that machine

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** RyeBrye scratches head, shrugs, and installs it **

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RyeBrye:

iamlindoro: (or anyone else) – care to go for the bonus extra and tell me what obvious thing I'm missing on my other machine? http://pastebin.com/d51666ad9 It's having an error at the python bindings

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RyeBrye:

(The qt4 dev package missing was what broke the other machine's build – it's now building)

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RyeBrye:

ah

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RyeBrye:

hm. weird. I'll just delete that entire build dir and try again. It's got something funky going on with my python bindings

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c4t3l_:

howdy all

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c4t3l_:

has anyone had and experience setting up iscsi and mythtv?

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stuarta:

c4t3l_: yes, but not together

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stuarta:

no reason it shouldn't work tho

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Quantumstate:

Got a noseektable problem with mpeg2 archives. I want to do commercial cutting, but unable to make seektable creation work.

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Quantumstate:

mythtranscode --mpeg2 --buildindex --allkeys --showprogress --infile <filepath>

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Quantumstate:

... doesn't create a seektable.

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c4t3l_:

stuarta: I'm moving to a new house and I'm wanting to centralize all me sotrage needs (ie openfiler and mythtv box running on a SATA DOM)

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stuarta:

properly configured iscsi is no different to local storage

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stuarta:

it turns up as a scsi device

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c4t3l_:

I'm more concerned with the read/write speed accross network for live tv viewing

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c4t3l_:

is GigE sufficient you think?

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Nockian:

10mb is sufficient

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** stuarta hits Nockian **

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Nockian:

oh, for iscsi...

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** Nockian reads his scrollback buffer **

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stuarta:

c4t3l_: yes gige is fine

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iamlindoro:

not to mention 10 Mb isn't even sufficient for decent television, let alone iSCSI

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c4t3l_:

sweet! I'm doin it!

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stuarta:

i've done iscsi from a vmware server to a plain ole linux box over gige

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Quantumstate:

Anyone ever built seektables for mpeg2?

[16:04:22]

c4t3l_:

cool, I've setup some iscsi storage at work, but not for home

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Quantumstate:

It seems it is not getting built, but I don't know how to check

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stuarta:

Quantumstate: check is your database is okay first.

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stuarta:

that's a common sympton of a crashed database

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Quantumstate:

I did the optimize with optimize_mythdb.pl and it went fine.

[16:12:08]

Quantumstate:

These videos don't have a seektable because they weren't in the database until I scanned them in with the video manager.

[16:12:31]

Quantumstate:

Now I'd like to eliminate commercials, but can't seem to create a seektable.

[16:14:06]

iamlindoro:

mythcommflag --rebuild --video filename.ext

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iamlindoro:

Though you are not going to end up happy-- MythVideo has no method of running the job queue, so you won't bet able to edit/transcode the files from there

[16:14:55]

iamlindoro:

The only way you are going to be able to do what you want is to import them into Watch Recordings, edit them there, then put them back in MythVideo

[16:15:00]

Quantumstate:

It says in the Myth wiki that mythcommflag is strictly for nuv.

[16:15:23]

gbee:

oh ffs, who has been filling the wiki with crap again?

[16:15:29]

Quantumstate:

Don't need to run in jobqueue. Just need to flag a few by hand.

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stuarta:

out of date probably

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iamlindoro:

Quantumstate: Wherever it says that is, as you've probably guessed, BS

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gbee:

iamlindoro: been thinking about allowing jobs to be run from mythvideo, it should be a trivial addition

[16:16:21]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Should be mostly a cut and paste of the PBB stuff I'd imagine

[16:16:48]

iamlindoro:

with modifications for anywhere programinfo is used I guess

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Quantumstate:

It's here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Repairing_the_Seektable

[16:16:57]

gbee:

aye, same for playlist support, which I'd really like to see in mythvideo

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Quantumstate:

But see I started with mythcommflag, and that didn't creatwe a seektable either.

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iamlindoro:

Where are these files from, which you have imported?

[16:18:44]

Quantumstate:

Originally in Watch Recordings, but I don't know how to officially move to Videos so I just hand-copied them.

[16:19:08]

Quantumstate:

Also renames them so lost chanid and time.

[16:19:35]

Quantumstate:

... and deleted from Watch...

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gbee:

Quantumstate: use the full filepath when commflagging a video and the --video arg

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iamlindoro:

Quantumstate: Are you basing your conclusion that there's no seektable on an attempt to edit them?

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gbee:

commflagging/rebuilding the seektable

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iamlindoro:

It's entirely possible/likely that edit is hardcoded to hunt the seektable in recordedmarkup

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iamlindoro:

rather than in filemarkup which is where his seektable is

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gbee:

mythcommflag --rebuild --video /full/path/to/video.mpg

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gbee:

iamlindoro: nah, you can edit videos in mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

mmkay

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gbee:

I've had to given there is no lossless h.264 transcoder

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iamlindoro:

dd!

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iamlindoro:

dd plus file offsets!

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gbee:

yeah, where I haven't yet used dd ;)

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Nockian:

if i buy a serial IR receiver for my mythtv box and configure it to be recognized by mythtv... can i then tell my comcast 3 device remote that device 3 is a Tivo, and then use the Tivo mapping in lircd on the mythtv box?

[16:22:14]

Quantumstate:

Oh, haven't been unsing full filepath. Yes, doing E and it says no seektable.

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iamlindoro:

gbee: It's a pain in the butt anyway

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Nockian:

recognized by linux, i should say

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Quantumstate:

dd? Delete?

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Quantumstate:

OK, for the first time with mythcommflag it says: Building seek table for: The Forgotten.mpg

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gbee:

needs full filepath because the code looks for the full path in filemarkup, keep meaning to modify mythcommflag to insert the full path in the database even in a relative path is used on the commandline

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gbee:

s/in/if/

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RyeBrye:

http://pastebin.com/d262a8ca0 strange error with python bindings. Does anything mainstream (i.e. normal functionality or normal plugins) use the python bindings?

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Quantumstate:

Gotcha. Thanks. I'll check s/in/if/

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Dibblah:

RyeBrye: No, it doesn't.

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RyeBrye:

ok. I'll just disable them for now and not bother figuring out why my glibc has some undefined reference to main or whatever it's complaining about for those bindings

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Quantumstate:

Is there any chance of putting the current Time in Watch Recordings? I spend 90% of my time there, and always have to flip back to another esktop to check the time.

[16:31:18]

gbee:

not in 0.21

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RyeBrye:

I found a cool device somewhere once that would always show you the current time on your wrist. I can't remember what it was called

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RyeBrye:

;)

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gbee:

but 0.22 onwards you can put a clock wherever you want, two or three if you want

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Quantumstate:

Kool.

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iamlindoro:

And most themers worth their salt will have the clock in the same location on all screens

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Quantumstate:

Does --rebuild -only build the seektable, or does it also flag?

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iamlindoro:

rebuild only

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Quantumstate:

JOVE! I have a seektable. Thanks.

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RyeBrye:

what does compiling with libfftw3 support allow?

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Quantumstate:

But I guess I don't understand s/in/if/. While watching it just gives the program guide. In Watch Recordings, nothing.

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iamlindoro:

Quantumstate: He was just correcting himself

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iamlindoro:

s/in/if/ = substitute if for in

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Quantumstate:

Oh, how to move from Watch to Videos?

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thedarkone:

hey all

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iamlindoro:

At the moment, with cp

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thedarkone:

i have a really wierd problem every time i watch a recording it plays for 10 mins then pc reboots

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Quantumstate:

OK. Also every time I start mythfrontend it always prescales theme images. Every time. Didn't used to do that. Normal?

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gbee:

sounds like it's overheating

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Quantumstate:

Yes darkone, nvidia IGPs overheat and fail like that.

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meshe:

thedarkone: check /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog for what happens before the reboot

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gbee:

Quantumstate: normal that the dialog displays but if it takes more than a couple of seconds then no, something is wrong

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iamlindoro:

In .21 Myth will always show the prescaling progress bar, at least for a few moments

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Quantumstate:

OK. Takes about 15 seconds and three screens. I thought that didn't used to happen.

[16:45:29]

Quantumstate:

To flag commercials? mythcommflag -f {path}{infile}

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Quantumstate:

Then? mythcommflag --gencutlist -f {path}{infile}

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gbee:

--video {path} (for videos)

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sphery:

Any Ubuntu 8.10 users, here?

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meshe:

yup

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sphery:

Wondering if the kernel has enabled DVB_DYNAMIC_MINORS ...

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** gbee points and laughs **

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sphery:

can you do a: zcat /proc/config.gz | grep DVB_DYNAMIC_MINORS

[16:48:31]

sphery:

(or something) to check, please

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meshe:

file does not exist, jas

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sphery:

cat /usr/src/linux-`uname -r`/.config | grep DVB_DYNAMIC_MINORS

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sphery:

perhaps?

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sphery:

though that's probably not there if you don't have the dev stuff installed...

[16:50:05]

sphery:

Hmmm... I don't know my *buntu well enough to know how to figure out what's enabled...

[16:50:29]

sphery:

I was just wondering if it might be causing: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6436

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sphery:

(then again, he may have a custom-build kernel--where he read, "If you say Y here, the DVB subsystem will use dynamic minor allocation for any device that uses the DVB major number. This means that you can have more than 4 of a single type of device..." and said, "Wow, that sounds like A Good Thing(R)!")

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meshe:

grabbing the package

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sphery:

It's not that big a deal...

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sphery:

Don't go to too much trouble

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meshe:

nor is grabbing the package

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sphery:

I'm guessing, though, that it's not enabled by default (or at least not causing problems if it is), since you'd think more *buntu users would have complained by now.

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Quantumstate:

Hm, this did not flag commercials for some reason:

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Quantumstate:

mythcommflag --video /home/billl/Videos/Movies/The\ Forgotten.mpg

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Quantumstate:

Just seemed to have rebuilt the seektable.

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sphery:

Have you read through: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythcommflag ?

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Quantumstate:

Yes, but no specific examples.

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gbee:

just been looking at the code, seems that it's hardcoded to only build seektables for videos

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Quantumstate:

Uh on, no commercial flagging?

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gbee:

silly restriction, but I'm not about to make the necessary changes

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sphery:

heh, can you say, "Useless info,": http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythcommflag#Examp . . . g_Jobs_Speed

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iamlindoro:

sphery: I saw when someone started that, that is absolutely stupid

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sphery:

without CODEC/bitrate/resolution/... That's kind of meaningless.

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gbee:

it's an artificial limitation, there is no reason why it can't flag videos, it's just that for some reason the code was written in a way that prevents it

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sphery:

not to mention the "local commflag" versus "commflag through the network"

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Quantumstate:

OK, so if I cp back to Recorded I can do ith through the menu system there?

[17:00:09]

sphery:

probably that way primarily because people never really put much TV in MythVideo before now--and those who did probably did the commflag/editing cutlist/transcoding before moving it over.

[17:00:16]

gbee:

Quantumstate: yes, but you'll need to transcode as well before copying it back, there is no (easy) mechanism to copy the markup from one table to another

[17:00:41]

gbee:

mythvideo uses videomarkup, recordings use recordedmarkup

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Quantumstate:

It's just ATSC mpeg2. What sort of transcode?

[17:01:28]

gbee:

configure it for lossless mpeg2, that will just remove the commercials without re-encoding the video (so keeping the best quality)

[17:02:26]

Quantumstate:

Thanks. So cp the file to Recorded, then -> Jobs -> transcode?

[17:04:19]

Quantumstate:

The file originally was copied from Recorded, so hasn't changed other than to generate the seektable.

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sphery:

heh, how to tell you're looking at a device from a questionable vendor: "MP5 technology" http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=208370462

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wagnerrp_:

looks like i was wrong about that jumbo frame issue

[17:09:06]

wagnerrp_:

last time it failed horribly

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, it's got a 2.8" 16:9 widescreen though, you can't go wrong with that. :)

[17:09:17]

wagnerrp_:

this time, running a mixed network doesnt seem to cause any problems

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, key phrase being "seem to"

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meshe:

sphery: i'm not seeing DVB_DYNAMIC_MINORS anywhere in the configs for the 8.10 kernel

[17:12:01]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, and inexpensive compared to that apple touch thing, so must be a great deal :)

[17:12:15]

Captain_Murdoch:

75% off!!!!!

[17:12:28]

sphery:

wow...

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sphery:

I could buy 4 of them for the price of the apple and get a 5.6in "large-screen" by tiling them...

[17:13:38]

sphery:

meshe: thanks for checking...

[17:13:51]

meshe:

no worries

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sphery:

meshe: I guess if that is causing problems (I may recompile my kernel to see if it breaks things for me :), it's either not the cause of this one or he has a custom kernel.

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, and according to that page, it has twice the resolution of the iPhone and touch. 384000 pixels (?x?) vs 153600 (480x320)

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sphery:

wow

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Quantumstate:

I guess I just don't get it. Copying over the file, it doesn't show up in recordings even though it originated there.

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** Captain_Murdoch goes back to eating lunch and surfing, err researching... **

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sphery:

Quantumstate: you have to re-import it back into the TV section

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sphery:

i.e. you've removed the metadata, so you have to put it back

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Quantumstate:

No option to reimport.

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sphery:

myth.rebuilddatabase.pl is the generally accepted (though not guaranteed to work--might destroy your DB) legacy/unmaintained script to do that

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Quantumstate:

is it mythtranscode?

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sphery:

or you can just get avidemux2 and edit it yourself

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sphery:

then put it back in MythVideo

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sphery:

we don't really have a way of getting stuff into TV section other than, er, recording TV.

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sphery:

Quantumstate: or, what's probably the easiest approach--leave the one with commercials in MythVideo and re-record a re-run

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Quantumstate:

OK thanks. I guess I'm out of time and must go to work.

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sphery:

Quantumstate: just go to Previously Recorded in the frontend and find the episode and mark "Allow this episode to re-record"

[17:21:19]

sphery:

and, assuming you still have a rule that will match, it will re-record next time it airs

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Quantumstate:

Cool. I'll try that.

[17:22:14]

meshe:

sphery: it's in linux-headers, it's defaulted to yes

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meshe:

er no

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meshe:

http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git-repos/ubuntu/lin . . . /dvb/Kconfig

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wagnerrp:

well i helped my cousin carry some three pallets of cinder blocks up his driveway yesterday

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wagnerrp:

my body seems to be fighting back

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janneg:

sphery: DVB_DYNAMIC_MINORS shouldn't cause problems if you're using udev

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meshe:

it's in the git repo, but not in my 8.10 install

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sphery:

janneg: cool... I didn't know if the device name/number assumptions for DVB devices in Myth would be broken by it.

[17:44:47]

wagnerrp:

well iperf is getting some 960mbps+ in both directions

[17:44:54]

wagnerrp:

it used to get around 600 before

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wagnerrp:

im pushing 80MB/s over NFS

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wagnerrp:

78MB/s average

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wagnerrp:

remounting with a larger NFS window size doesnt seem to make a difference

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c4t3l_:

hey guys, have the ivtv folks made any headway with the hauppauge 1600 HD card yet?

[17:56:52]

javatexan:

is there a way to use the DVD ripper in Mythtv without using the transcode, say to rip to VOB files or something?

[17:57:44]

sphery:

javatexan: ISO rip

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iamlindoro:

Or Perfect

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iamlindoro:

ISO = ISO, Perfect = VOB

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janneg:

sphery: no, mythtv just uses the device nodes. udev creates them with the correct minor numbers

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kormoc:

c4t3l_, likely should ask them

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iamlindoro:

Wonder what HD they would have to make, given the HVR-1600 is supported and has been for ages

[18:02:01]

iamlindoro:

er headway

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c4t3l_:

iamlindoro: my bad, I hadn't checked on this issue for like about a year and a half, and at that time no drivers existed

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sphery:

janneg: ah, it's changing the kernel numbers, but not affecting the numbers in the device names... guess it wouldn't matter.

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iamlindoro:

Heh, so I just clicked on a Mythbuntu pastebin, and 80–90% of the "recent pastes" were from "root." Wonder if there's a corellation between people running as root and their need to show their problems to people via pastebin

[18:26:02]

meshe:

heh

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iamlindoro:

http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/

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iamlindoro:

see left side

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iamlindoro:

Tested to make sure root wasn't the default value-- it's not

[18:29:25]

dubstar_04:

is there anyway to completly remove a kernel and all the associated drivers?

[18:29:52]

meshe:

the first 3 "root" ones have different hostnames listed in syslog

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iamlindoro:

Heh, one of the hosts is myth3dfx--- why do I doubt that's modern hardware?

[18:32:12]

laga:

iamlindoro: we're using a tool to collect that information and pastebin it automatically (for users seeking support). it runs as root because of lspci, that's why the user name is set to root

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gbee:

dubstar_04: urpme kernel-{version}

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iamlindoro:

laga: Ah, that makes more sense

[18:35:20]

meshe:

yeah, #ubuntu won't even tell you how to get a root shell, thought it was a bit odd

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Dagmar:

s/won't even tell you/don't even know/

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iamlindoro:

laga: My statement wasn't particular to mythbuntu, but more to "people running as root in general getting themselves in trouble"

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meshe:

Dagmar: oh, they know, i was helping out in there and they gave me hell for telling someone the command: sudo su -

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Dagmar:

meshe: Only you can fight forest stupidity.

[18:37:42]

meshe:

they said: "If you want to tell users how to log into a root account, you can stay here and fix what they screw up with it"

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Dagmar:

...because it beats the fuck out of misuing sudo like they do.

[18:37:46]

forest:

'scuse me?

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forest:

;-)

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gbee:

I'd have to blow my brains out if I was limited to using sudo all the time

[18:38:23]

meshe:

sudo su -

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meshe:

sudo passwd then su -

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Dagmar:

meshe: Failing to teach the users to respect root is what causes the problem

[18:39:02]

meshe:

"The above advice is offered with no warranty whatsoever, you break it you fix it"

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Dagmar:

They're utter morons in there

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mkrufky:

*never* say "sudo su" in an ubuntu chat room — you'll never hear the end ofit

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Dagmar:

I may just *kill* the next user I see telling me they did `sudo trivial command`

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gbee:

seriously though, the idea that using root automatically means that you'll screw up things has never really seemed right to me

[18:40:31]

Dagmar:

mkrufky: I've had exactly ONE ubuntu user try to challenge me on that locally

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mkrufky:

challenge?

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meshe:

if ( command == 'success' ) { #great } else { sudo command }

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Dagmar:

A gun makes an excellent teaching tool for this.

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gbee:

it's not as though being root enables you to destroy the world by accident, worst you can possibly do would be 'rm -rf /' and yet that's no worse than 'rm -rf ~' for most people

[18:41:15]

Dagmar:

mkrufky: Yes, one Ubuntu user was brazen enough to interrupt an explanation I was giving to carp about su

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mkrufky:

lol

[18:41:56]

Dagmar:

I use su because I'm a responsible adult who exits the root shell once he's done.

[18:42:02]

mkrufky:

actually, i love the fact that ubuntu goes out of their way to make people not log in as root

[18:42:12]

mkrufky:

i know a lot of developers hate that, but i love it

[18:42:20]

meshe:

i love using ubuntu and mythbuntu but the first time i need to do an IO redirection into a root only file, it's sudo su – for me

[18:42:24]

Dagmar:

I don't just walk around with this loaded shell in my hand waving it around at people because I'm acutely aware of how much danger it presents.

[18:42:29]

mkrufky:

people should *never* use root, and if using ubuntu gets people used to the idea, then so be it

[18:42:51]

meshe:

*never*??????

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Dagmar:

Claiming that sudo is *ANY* f*cking safer than su is just about as stupid as saying THIS GUN IS COMPLETELY SAFE BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE BULLET IN IT

[18:43:04]

Dagmar:

It gets the point across.

[18:43:15]

gbee:

never? heh

[18:43:18]

Dagmar:

Yes the gun was unloaded, but he didn't know that.

[18:43:36]

meshe:

there's never a reason to get a shell as root?

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meshe:

echo somestring > /etc/someconfigfile #sudo me that

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meshe:

without some annoyingly complex workaround

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Dagmar:

What values of "annoying" are acceptable?

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Dagmar:

I'm kind of a fan ofsed -i

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meshe:

less than or equal to su – \n command

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wagnerrp:

woo! 346MB/s over NFS!

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iamlindoro:

NFS via sneakernet maybe :)

[18:47:09]

wagnerrp:

NFS via disk cache

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iamlindoro:

heh

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wagnerrp:

doing speed tests of various machines with jumbo frames

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wagnerrp:

and apparently i chose a file that could completely fit in the memory of the target machine

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gbee:

wonder how freesat is doing, last year they were promising 230 channels by now and that they'd regularly add several channels per month ... but they are only upto 140 and the promises have disappeared from their website

[18:52:40]

iamlindoro:

Is that the free freesat, or the unfree freesat?

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at0m:

http://www.pixelchaos.net/2009/02/15/diskless . . . pxe-and-nfs/ – esp for mythtv

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at0m:

my amd64 complains about kernel bein too large, but that's my problem to solve eh

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wagnerrp:

the kernel being too large? just how large is your kernel?

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at0m:

8.4MB

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Dagmar:

Maybe it's time you learned about modules

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at0m:

-rw-r--r-- 2 root root 8.6M 2009-04–10 19:49 /myth/nfsroot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-amd64_netboot

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at0m:

he's got a stock kernel, mine is too

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at0m:

-apart from the mkinitramfs for nfs boot-

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gbee:

iamlindoro: free freesat

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anykey_:

How exactly does cross source EIT work? I configured two sources on two cards (one cable, one sat). Both carry a channel X. I set the channum, callsign and channel name to the exactly same values on both sources. However, in mythweb, the channel doesn't have any EPG?!

[19:01:31]

wagnerrp:

who just replied to the RAID5/RAID10 thread on users? i meant to reply but accidently deleted the email

[19:02:26]

meshe:

wagnerrp: Ben Curtis is the last post i have

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meshe:

wagnerrp: want a FW: ?

[19:03:12]

wagnerrp:

sure, if you dont mind

[19:03:13]

wagnerrp:

thanks

[19:03:58]

meshe:

you're Raymond Wagner right?

[19:04:03]

wagnerrp:

yeah

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meshe:

sent

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Wow, even 140 free is pretty remarkable

[19:07:10]

gbee:

actually more than that, since not all FTA sat channels opt to pay to appear in the official Freesat EPG. Freesat STBs only show channels who have paid for the priviledge but still allow manual tuning of other FTA channels

[19:07:46]

gbee:

of course with a DVB-S tuner none of that matters, which is not to say that those additional FTA channels are worth watching

[19:08:11]

gbee:

but they do include one other HD channel

[19:08:32]

anykey_:

hm, do both channels need to have the same chanid for cross source EIT to work too?

[19:09:51]

gbee:

really puzzled by the scheduling decisions that are being made on my production machine, both DVB-T inputs have a higher priority than the DVB-S, yet in the next two weeks 'Freeview 1' isn't used once

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Cyorxamp_:

How big would you say mythtv is (the binaries/libraries etc) when installed? roughly

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wagnerrp:

2MB for the frontend, 1.5 for the backend

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wagnerrp:

for the binaries

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Dagmar:

If you have to care, you just need to buy a larger disk.

[19:12:32]

iamlindoro:

But the whole shebang is 150+ MB

[19:12:36]

Cyorxamp_:

ok so barely anything then :)

[19:12:39]

wagnerrp:

10MB for libraries

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wagnerrp:

40MB for share

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Cyorxamp_:

ok that sounds more sane :D

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iamlindoro:

Where can I get those 10 MB libraries? libmyth-0.22.so is 51 MB alone

[19:15:10]

iamlindoro:

libmythtv-0.22.so, that is

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wagnerrp:

well 'du -h /usr/lib/mythtv' listed 9.7M, i suppose there could be more crap outside that directory

[19:15:39]

Dagmar:

`strip -g /usr/lib/libmyth*.so*`

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Dagmar:

*hemhem*

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iamlindoro:

About 103 MB of libraries in libmyth, 50 more if you count the plugins

[19:16:10]

iamlindoro:

I don't *want* stripped libraries

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Dagmar:

Then use gzexe

[19:16:29]

iamlindoro:

Sort of defeats the purpose of running trunk to find and fix bugs

[19:17:10]

iamlindoro:

anyway, point being is that Myth is a few hundred meg, give or take a few dozen meg

[19:17:27]

wagnerrp:

ok, theres another 20MB in libraries in /usr/lib

[19:17:31]

wagnerrp:

11.6MB for libmythtv

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Dagmar:

Nah, assuming your compiler isn't on fire, you can switch to a debug build to test

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iamlindoro:

Why would I want to rebuild every time I want a backtrace? The performance penalty incurred by a profile or debug build isn't enough for me to have to worry about, so there's no point in trying to avoid running it

[19:22:01]

gbee:

iamlindoro: build with --enable-symbol-visibility not sure how much of a difference it really makes, but it will bring the sizes down

[19:22:36]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Think that the last time I did I had some build issues with a few local patches, but I might have gotten those cleared up

[19:22:50]

gbee:

no real performance loss with a debug build, but all the same I'd not recommend people use one unless they need to

[19:23:26]

Dagmar:

No, you don't rebuild for a backtrace, you *reinstall* for a backtrce

[19:23:39]

gbee:

iamlindoro: if you have problems you just need to stick MPUBLIC before all the public classes (plenty of examples)

[19:23:43]

iamlindoro:

Dagmar: Why would I want to keep a seperate codebase up to date with all my work?

[19:24:09]

iamlindoro:

anyway, these are solutions in search of a problem

[19:24:23]

iamlindoro:

My system works fine, and I'm working fine on my system

[19:25:03]

gbee:

do we have any scheduler experts in here? Pretty sure I'm looking at a bug, but you know what a headache the scheduler gives me :)

[19:25:36]

iamlindoro:

And if you try to fix it yourself he scheduler gods will cut you

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gbee:

not even going to look at the code, I know my place

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gnome42:

gbee: IANASE, but fire away :)

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gnome42:

... Not A Scheduler Expert ...

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gbee:

right, got it ;)

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gnome42:

I figured you would :)

[19:27:38]

gbee:

gnome42: 3 inputs, 2 video sources (2xDVB-T and 1xDVB-S), DVB-T inputs have a priority of 1, DVB-S priority of 0

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gbee:

but the second DVB-T is not being used at all in the next two weeks, instead it's going to the DVB-S card

[19:28:53]

gbee:

I should add that the DVB-T and DVB-S have several channels in common, recording rules are all "record at any time on any channel"

[19:30:22]

gbee:

in theory all those recordings should use the DVB-T cards and not DVB-S (which is lower quality and hence lower priority)

[19:30:32]

** kormoc thinks Canada has way too many postal codes **

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meshe:

heh

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gnome42:

gbee: and I assume all channels have the same priority? ie. The only priority difference amongst the shows is the input priority?

[19:33:01]

gbee:

correct

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kormoc:

meshe, tripled the size of my database :P

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meshe:

did you slurp them from somewhere?

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kormoc:

Aye

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gnome42:

and you verified the scheduled recordings' priority in mythweb? (just to be sure :)

[19:36:00]

gbee:

when you say mythweb, you have a particular page in mind?

[19:36:50]

gnome42:

yeah, upcoming rec's, hover over the scheduled rec's and check the priority in the popup.

[19:37:52]

** meshe looks at the scheduler code and back away slowly **

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Dagmar:

You're going to have to move faster than that

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meshe:

s/(back)/\1s/

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gbee:

nothing really out of the ordinary there

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gbee:

one other factor – there is only one recording sometimes ... the other tuners aren't being used at all, yet it's still using the lower priority input

[19:39:54]

gnome42:

gbee: k, are either "Avoid back to back recordings form different channels" or Complex Prioritization set?

[19:40:13]

gbee:

i.e. it's recording from "Channel 4" on DVB-S instead of "Channel 4" on DVB-T

[19:40:46]

gbee:

gnome42: the Reschedule higher priority recordings option is enabled

[19:41:16]

gnome42:

hmm, that does sound weird.

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gnome42:

and that's trunk right?

[19:42:48]

gbee:

heh, this has been bothering me for ages, but I've just found the cause

[19:43:05]

gbee:

thanks to you having me poke through mythweb

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gbee:

0.21-fixes FWIW

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gnome42:

oh, cool. What was it?

[19:44:15]

gbee:

there was a no repeats filter set on the affected schedules, the guide data for the DVB-T source obviously had it marked as a repeat but the DVB-S guide data differed for some reason

[19:45:12]

gbee:

now that I know that, I can figure out why the guide data doesn't match up

[19:45:41]

gnome42:

ahh, ok. Yeah, I suspected a scheduler bug many times but everytime I've dug into it there has been a reasonable explanation.

[19:45:54]

gbee:

well it solves the mystery for one schedule at least, but I'm confident that it's probably the case for them all

[19:46:35]

gbee:

guide data matches in all other important respects title/subtitle/programid, but one has it marked as a repeat and the other doesn't

[19:48:13]

** gnome42 misses bjm ... come back Bruce! come back! **

[19:48:58]

iamlindoro:

Maybe he figures he's painted the Mona Lisa, and there's no point in putting a hat on her ;)

[19:49:06]

kormoc:

Bruce is gone?

[19:49:26]

gnome42:

just MIA for a long while now I think

[19:49:43]

** kormoc quickly commits scheduler changes and runs away **

[19:49:53]

iamlindoro:

That'll bring 'im back

[19:50:17]

kormoc:

I'll have a long email explaining how much of an idiot I am too ;)

[19:50:25]

gnome42:

kormoc: I considered that approach too :)

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gbee:

gnome42: thanks for the help, just glad to have got it sorted

[19:56:33]

gnome42:

gbee: anytime! Glad you got it sorted too.

[19:57:07]

gnome42:

gbee: you mentioned plaback robust'ness issues? That was with -fixes as well I suppose?

[19:57:22]

anykey_:

So cross source EIT matches the first channel for any source. And yet I have one channel missing guide data completly, the other one filled up with plenty of it...

[19:59:04]

gbee:

gnome42: tend to see it more with trunk since the issues are usually to do with the lack of seektables or similar things that more regularly affect my trunk install

[20:00:55]

gnome42:

Oh, I'd be interested in any missing seektable issues you have. I touched that code not too long ago but I thought it was only livetv stuff.

[20:01:02]

gbee:

basically I seem to be able to get stuck in various loops way too easily, prebuffer timeouts incrementing into triple digits etc, timeouts waiting for video buffers

[20:01:57]

gbee:

playback from a bookmark without a seektable will almost always go horribly wrong and it can take minutes for control of the frontend to return (if it ever does)

[20:02:46]

gnome42:

hmm, with videos or recordings?

[20:02:53]

gbee:

seeking(jumping) in mpeg2/h.264 without a seektable is another surefire way to confuse it – doesn't work at all really

[20:03:14]

gbee:

recordings, or recordings exported to mythvideo

[20:04:53]

kormoc:

My only scheduler patch is to allow the reduction of priority based upon the number of currently recorded episodes, I got so tired of when I have two shows at priority of 5 and have 10 episodes of a and only 1 of b because a just came first

[20:05:13]

kormoc:

I really love it, but never wanted to bother with the pain to get it included

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gbee:

gnome42: just one example of the sort of problem – http://pastebin.ca/1391006

[20:06:58]

gbee:

all sorts of combinations, but for me the real issue is that it takes so long to decide that it's failed and return me to the menu

[20:07:28]

gnome42:

that's not cool. :/ I have mpeg2 here so if you could produce logs from a mpeg2 recording playback that shows this problem then I might be able to help.

[20:07:35]

gnome42:

heh, and there it is :)

[20:07:43]

gbee:

the fact that it's failing is almost secondary to how we handle things when it does screw up

[20:09:42]

gbee:

that's not even a particularly bad one, I should grab logs from ones where it took several minutes before returning to the menu

[20:10:43]

gnome42:

yeah, it changes to State None and is still spewing prebuffer msgs :/

[20:10:44]

gbee:

during which the frontend is locked up and not responding to keypresses

[20:10:54]

gbee:

aye

[20:11:36]

gnome42:

can you make a chunk from the beggining of that file available?

[20:12:30]

gbee:

aye

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gbee:

gnome42: how big a chunk?

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gnome42:

gbee: dunno, 20MB? I can give you an account here if it would make it easier.

[20:28:41]

gbee:

space isn't an issue, just don't want to spend an hour uploading 500Mb if you only needed 5 ;)

[20:28:51]

gnome42:

k

[20:31:26]

gbee:

well it's uploading but since I'm betting that your downstream is considerably faster than my upstream I'll wait for it to finish :)

[20:34:36]

gbee:

gnome42: http://miffteevee.co.uk/filebin/example.mpg

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gnome42:

k, thanks

[20:35:01]

gbee:

I hope you like midget porn

[20:35:11]

gnome42:

oooh, my fav!!

[20:35:44]

kormoc:

only if it involves clowns

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gbee:

that one didn't fail for me until the second time I tried to play it, I assume because it was trying to play from the bookmark

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AnNahar:

are there plans to put myth on rpmfusion repos?

[20:38:26]

AnNahar:

so i can stop using atrpms?

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gbee:

j-rod: ^^

[20:38:58]

j-rod:

AnNahar: um.

[20:39:07]

j-rod:

mythtv has been in the rpmfusion repos for MONTHS now

[20:39:24]

AnNahar:

j-rod: hmm

[20:39:30]

j-rod:

no hmm.

[20:39:31]

j-rod:

its there

[20:39:45]

anykey_:

Is it possible to let MythTV override the EPG for a specific channel of a different video source with the data from another video source that is "better"?

[20:40:01]

AnNahar:

i wonder why i still only have the atrpms ones

[20:40:04]

AnNahar:

i am using rpmfusion

[20:40:22]

AnNahar:

j-rod: how best to remove the atrpms ones and install rpmfusion ones, sir?

[20:40:28]

j-rod:

because the atrpms ones have a higher NVR

[20:40:48]

AnNahar:

j-rod: do you think i should disable atrpms?

[20:41:01]

j-rod:

If you don't want to use it, you certainly should

[20:41:10]

AnNahar:

i mean, i had heard it was bad

[20:41:20]

AnNahar:

but i had had it installed because of myth in the past

[20:41:23]

AnNahar:

j-rod: what is NVR?

[20:41:28]

AnNahar:

something release?

[20:41:33]

j-rod:

the mythtv packages in each repo are functionally equivalent

[20:41:40]

j-rod:

Name Version Release

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j-rod:

rpm parlance

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AnNahar:

k

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AnNahar:

j-rod: have you heard atrpms is problematic?

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gbee:

package-0.21–5

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j-rod:

there are a few people out there who don't like atrpms for a variety of reasons

[20:42:51]

j-rod:

atrpms isn't inherently bad, but historically, it does replace some distro-provided packages and packages bits in ways that don't adhere to the Fedora packaging guidelines

[20:43:06]

j-rod:

so it can be tricky to upgrade to the next Fedora release

[20:43:20]

j-rod:

while rpmfusion maintains pretty strict adherence to the fedora packaging guidelines

[20:44:34]

j-rod:

personally, I stopped using atrpms over 2 years ago, and had been running my own mythtv builds, then finally got talked into putting them into rpmfusion and maintaining them there some months back

[20:44:36]

AnNahar:

right

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j-rod:

atrpms is also not as easy to use if you're inclined to run rawhide, which I do most of the time

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AnNahar:

k

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j-rod:

so if it works right now, there's not a whole lot of reason to change

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j-rod:

but a 'yum remove libmyth', then disable atrpms, then 'yum install mythtv' (or mythtv-frontend or whatever components you actually want) should do the trick

[20:48:01]

j-rod:

except for the possible case where some of the dependencies met by packages in atrpms don't work with the versions rpmfusion needs

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AnNahar:

i always have issues with atrpms conflicting with other repos

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gnome42:

gbee: well, of course it plays fine here with trunk. :/ I'm backing out my ~90 patches to see if can reproduce the problem.

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gnome42:

can you repost the frontend log with -v playback,libav if you get a chance?

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AnNahar:

j-rod: you there?

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gbee:

gnome42: I'll see what I can do

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j-rod:

AnNahar: for a few more minutes

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AnNahar:

i switched over to myth from rpmfusion

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AnNahar:

but localhost/mythweb does nothing

[21:26:08]

AnNahar:

The requested URL /mythweb/mythweb.php was not found on this server.

[21:26:11]

AnNahar:

even though mythweb is installed

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gnome42:

gbee: uhh, I love that 704x576, sooo nice. Makes my stuff look like ... not good at all.

[21:28:42]

j-rod:

AnNahar: the old mythweb's config files probably got left in place or something

[21:29:18]

AnNahar:

where would those be?

[21:29:37]

AnNahar:

i mean, i put the mythweb.conf back in /etc/httpd/conf.d because it has the settings i need

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j-rod:

should be /etc/httpd/conf.d/mythweb.conf

[21:30:05]

j-rod:

yeah, don't do that

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AnNahar:

j-rod: but it has all my customized settings

[21:30:26]

j-rod:

tough. merge them into the new config file.

[21:30:29]

j-rod:

:)

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gnome42:

gbee: with a vanilla checkout from today that clip plays flawlessly for me :/

[21:30:37]

AnNahar:

drat, i overwrote the new config file it put there:(

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AnNahar:

let me uninstall and reinstall mythweb with yum, i guess

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j-rod:

the new config file contains several critical parts to cope with the files being in /usr/share/mythweb instead of /var/www/html/mythweb

[21:31:11]

j-rod:

and eliminates the need for a .htaccess file

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AnNahar:

i am using digest

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AnNahar:

does that matter?

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j-rod:

you can set that up in the new mythweb.conf file too

[21:31:50]

AnNahar:

You don't have permission to access /mythweb/ on this server.

[21:31:50]

AnNahar:

haha

[21:31:55]

AnNahar:

that's what i get when i fix to /usr/share/mythweb

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j-rod:

start with the provided mythweb.conf

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AnNahar:

k

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achandra:

hello. checking in for support with the hd-pvr support and how far its out in terms of inclusion in the stable mythtv release?

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j-rod:

its not

[21:34:08]

j-rod:

it won't be

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j-rod:

it'll be in 0.22

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achandra:

how far out?

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kormoc:

"When it's done"

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j-rod:

"when its ready"

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j-rod:

:)

[21:35:15]

kormoc:

We're targeting sometime before universal heat death sets in, but after now

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achandra:

are there any major issues with the cvs branch version out now?? what instabilities can i expect that are known?

[21:35:48]

AnNahar:

j-rod: i did so, and i still get

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kormoc:

there's plenty, see all the threads on the mailing lists

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AnNahar:

You don't have permission to access /mythweb/ on this server.

[21:36:01]

AnNahar:

that's with a fresh and new mythweb.conf

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kormoc:

read your apache error logs

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j-rod:

AnNahar: oh yeah... did you restart apache?

[21:36:32]

j-rod:

necessary to pick up the .conf file changes

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AnNahar:

nevermind

[21:36:39]

AnNahar:

that fixed it

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AnNahar:

the .htaccess thing you mentioned...

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AnNahar:

would that relate if i am using digest?

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j-rod:

you might have had the digest stuff set up in there

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AnNahar:

j-rod: one other thing

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AnNahar:

i notice the new one is missing the stuff for

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AnNahar:

authentication and streaming

[21:40:04]

AnNahar:

does that mean it's no longer needed?

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j-rod:

um. open the config file and read it?

[21:40:31]

AnNahar:

that's what i just did!

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j-rod:

there's a section in there about authentication

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AnNahar:

no

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AnNahar:

im talking about with streaming

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j-rod:

its off by default, you just have to uncomment it

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j-rod:

you said 'authentication and streaming'

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AnNahar:

j-rod: right

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AnNahar:

but in the new one

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AnNahar:

it's not even there commented

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j-rod:

are you referring to 'authentication and streaming' as a single entity, or two different ones?

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AnNahar:

single, sorry

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AnNahar:

in the old one, you had this section

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AnNahar:

# If you intend to use authentication for MythWeb (see below), you will

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AnNahar:

# probably also want to uncomment the following rules, which disable

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AnNahar:

# authentication for MythWeb's download URLs so you can properly stream

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AnNahar:

# to media players that don't work with authenticated servers.

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kormoc:

please don't flood the channel

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j-rod:

AnNahar: um... That's at the very bottom of the mythweb.conf file I'm looking at right now

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AnNahar:

after the part where it says don't change anything below?

[21:42:55]

AnNahar:

j-rod: so it moved then?

[21:43:08]

AnNahar:

ah i see

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AnNahar:

they are already uncommented then?

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j-rod:

the 'you really shouldn't need to edit anything below this line' applies to that <config foo> block, I guess

[21:43:44]

j-rod:

honestly, never read it that closely

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AnNahar:

j-rod: it seems that streaming part is already uncommented

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AnNahar:

at least, for me, so i should be good

[21:44:11]

j-rod:

and yes, if they're already uncommented, they're already uncommented. :)

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AnNahar:

j-rod: have you used the asx stream behind an auth mythweb?

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j-rod:

not anytime recently, I have no reason to

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AnNahar:

k

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AnNahar:

thanks for your help, sir

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j-rod:

np

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xris:

AnNahar: asx is just an xml file with a URL inside of it

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AnNahar:

xris: right, but i was looking for an alternative to the flash player in mythweb

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xris:

thought I included auto-override settings for the streaming URLs in the docs/default apache conf

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AnNahar:

xris: that's what i was speaking to j-road about

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AnNahar:

or are you talking about in context of auth?

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xris:

the part that says <LocationMatch .*/music/stream.php>

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xris:

and <LocationMatch .*/pl/stream/[0–9]+/[0–9]+>

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xris:

and then go into the mythweb settings and make sure that you're not using https to stream files.

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Cyorxamp_:

OK I've just spent 2 hours installing mythtv on a basic debian netinst... and it's a bit crap

[22:13:23]

Cyorxamp_:

so anyone know a good pre-made debian based myth distro? :D

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meshe:

mythbuntu

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Cyorxamp_:

I was afraid you'd say that

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Cyorxamp_:

any others?

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kormoc:

knopmyth?

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meshe:

mythbuntu works great

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Cyorxamp_:

o_O thats sounds good knopmyth

[22:14:27]

Cyorxamp_:

meshe, knoppix is better for me, closer to the real debian I know

[22:14:44]

meshe:

ahh :)

[22:14:55]

Cyorxamp_:

ubuntu is...... _unclean_

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meshe:

heh

[22:16:08]

Cyorxamp_:

see I've followed the debian guide on the mythtv wiki... so it's a debian lenny install with only the basics, and fluxbox and a couple of scripts that loads X and mythtv

[22:16:34]

Cyorxamp_:

and that bit works :S but it's not picking up my DVB-T card even tho linux does

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meshe:

if linux picks it up, then changing distro's probably won't help

[22:17:57]

Cyorxamp_:

another thing (seperate) thats annoying me is the Nvidia 1.0–96xx drivers for older cards won't compile its modules on lennt :S

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Cyorxamp_:

*lenny

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hachi:

I see that my record_tmp table is MyISAM... and all my other tables are InnoDB

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hachi:

does mythtv have any issues with me switching everything to be InnoDB ?

[22:20:11]

Cyorxamp_:

kormoc, hmm knopmyth hasn't been updated for 2 years!?

[22:20:18]

** kormoc shrugs **

[22:20:25]

kormoc:

I just know it exists, not how good it might be

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Cyorxamp_:

ok

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meshe:

Cyorxamp_: if you put some details in channel about your tuner card someone might be able to give you a hand with that or at least let you know if it's supported in myth

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kormoc:

hachi, myth officially supports only myisam, but likely won't hurt too much

[22:20:57]

gbee:

Cyorxamp_: it was renamed and the last version was released just a couple of weeks ago

[22:21:02]

gbee:

LHES

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hachi:

hmmm

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Cyorxamp_:

gbee, what does that stand for?

[22:21:44]

meshe:

gbee: that's where it went, eh?

[22:21:47]

Cyorxamp_:

meshe, I know its supported its on the wiki, a HVR-1110

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gbee:

but it's not based on Knoppix anymore either ... one of those cut down lightweight distros that I can't remember the name of

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hachi:

kormoc: is there any discussion or information on the support of MyISAM?

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gbee:

Linux Home Entertainment System I assume

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meshe:

mythweather requires myisam, other than that I don't see an issue with using either or

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kormoc:

hachi, might be in the -dev archives, but not that I remember

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Cyorxamp_:

gbee, http://knoppmyth.net/linhes.html

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kormoc:

mythweather requires innodb iirc

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kormoc:

for the foreign keys

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kormoc:

I don't think we do any full-text indexes (which requires myisam)

[22:23:39]

hachi:

latent semantic search is the way to go anyways :)

[22:24:31]

gbee:

http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/blog/2009/01/20 . . . tson-linhes/

[22:24:40]

gbee:

LinHES, now using Arch

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meshe:

kormoc: are you doing a booth at LNFW

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meshe:

i didn't see anything on the exibitors list

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kormoc:

meshe, I'm not, typically xris and I both do one, doing one by myself is a bit more then I'd want to do. I will be there tho, likely hanging round the FSF booth a fair bit and actually attending the talks for once :)

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meshe:

ahhh, cool, xris isn't making it this year?

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kormoc:

Nah, he's going to a wedding or similar

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** meshe nods **

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meshe:

looks like i'll make it Saturday for sure, i'd love to catch Monty's talk

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** kormoc nods **

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kormoc:

Shall be snazzy :)

[22:36:48]

kormoc:

and there is a after party it looks like

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meshe:

might not be able to make that, we'll see how time is :)

[22:38:25]

gbee:

I'm lazy about exhibiting, if someone else wants to do the organisation and paperwork I'll happily turn up to help man the booth and answer questions, but if not ...

[22:39:06]

kormoc:

Well, we also typically split the hardware, I have a nice lcd tv, he has the box that isn't doing other things, so without that box, it's kinda hard to demo things :)

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gbee:

that's where I relied on justinh in the past, sadly looks unlikely that I'll be attending anything in the coming year, would have done linuxtag but the timing is pretty tight

[22:40:36]

kormoc:

I love conferences/show

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kormoc:

*shows

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iamlindoro:

Oh Heroes

[22:41:12]

iamlindoro:

You silly show

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meshe:

got to do the mysql conference last year, that was a lot of fun

[22:42:09]

gbee:

personally don't get much from attending these things unless there are other devs to meet and chat with, linuxworld was a little dull and I was happy to return to our booth

[22:42:14]

kormoc:

I'm jealous!

[22:42:36]

kormoc:

Linux world was an awesome first big show for me, but yeah, second time was boring

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gbee:

LRL was even more dull, but that time it was partially my fault, I missed all the interesting talks because I wasn't organised

[22:43:41]

meshe:

one of the startups attending/sponsoring took us out for an open bar, but sadly our company has cut our conference budget to $0 this year

[22:48:34]

xris:

CES was fun this year. but a bit overwhelming.

[22:48:57]

xris:

SD is looking for more shows to attend, though. and for groups to attend them to talk about FOSS projects like MythTV that use SD.

[22:49:01]

meshe:

that looks fun, but thats one i could never get my company to pay for

[22:49:45]

meshe:

(pay for|give me time off for)

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xris:

SD has an annual meeting with TMS, so we decided to have an in-person annual board meeting at CES, too

[22:50:48]

meshe:

nice

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xris:

needed more time to see CES, though.. the show is huge.

[22:58:32]

meshe:

how long were you there for?

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AnNahar:

xris:

[23:00:06]

AnNahar:

mythweb/settings/stream

[23:00:15]

AnNahar:

should i do force http for streams AND select a port? should i just put port 80?

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xris:

port 80 is probably fine. force http because most multimedia players don't understand https

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iamlindoro:

Someone should buy the writers of Heroes a comic book

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iamlindoro:

and let them know that there are more than 5 powers

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wagnerrp:

flight, time, healing, electricity, fire, superpower-sucking, speed, telepathy, pre-vision, telekinesis, ice, strength

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wagnerrp:

super hearing

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wagnerrp:

control of the weather

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wagnerrp:

plus the weird ones of limited worth, like the walking nuke, the walking plague...

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iamlindoro:

Only if you put those all in a blender and run it at Frappee until you forget who has what power

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Dagmar:

The ability to breathe underwater

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Dagmar:

The ability to straighten paperclips.

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iamlindoro:

Why have four people had pre-vision? Why, when one guy can get any power, has one character been more or less relegated to flight for a whole season?

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wagnerrp:

the underwater guy had all of 5 minutes and a bedroom scene

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gbee:

invisibility, midas touch, melto-touch

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iamlindoro:

Why is any energy power expressed in the exact same way, but with a different color/photoshop filter?

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wagnerrp:

i forgot about invisible man... but midas touch?

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iamlindoro:

In the heroes universe you have a 1 in 4 chance of telling the future, even if that's not your power

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gbee:

wagnerrp: Elle's dad

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iamlindoro:

You also have a 1 in 10 or so chance of spontaneous healing factor

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iamlindoro:

And if you convert oxygen for carbon dioxide, you *will* fly

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gbee:

iamlindoro: bizarre decision to neuter, damn, forgotten the character's name

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wagnerrp:

peter or hiro?

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iamlindoro:

Peter

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gbee:

and whatever happened to super-hearing, Sylar is supposed to have taken that power but seems to have forgotten about it

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gbee:

aye Peter

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wagnerrp:

i thought syler got whiped

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iamlindoro:

Or how about Ando, who had to get a power that did one thing in one episode, and then became an energy weapon in the next

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iamlindoro:

Guess that's becuase, whoops, that power is more or less that baby's now

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iamlindoro:

Ando touch and go, baby touch and go

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Dagmar:

No, Ando's ability is to rice things up

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gbee:

wagnerrp: never once seemed to use it or even give the impression that he still had the ability after the episode in which he took it – people have whispered conversations around him all the time in subsequent episodes

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gbee:

the power he took was supposed to let him hear a pin drop from a mile etc, yet he seems unaware of conversations held in the next room – all stuff which suggests that the writers are willing to revise history to make their script writing easier

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wagnerrp:

gbee: well then... it all makes sense that syler now getting pulled into the star trek universe

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wagnerrp:

hes already well versed in that kind of continuity

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gbee:

if you think about it, Sylar hardly uses any of the powers he took – case in point the ability to see a persons entire history from a single touch (searches Hunter's appartment for information about him)

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gbee:

really hurts a series when they can't get basic continuity right from episode to episode

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gbee:

if I can notice these things, having only seen each episode once, I'm sure a real fan who has it all on DVD could rip Heroes to shreds

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Dagmar:

A real fan would just watch it and enjoy themselves

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gbee:

heh, yeah

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Dagmar:

...because they know it's not real, and they're not secretly convinced someone's trying to tell them it's real like everything else on the TV is.

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gbee:

I lack the ability to turn off my brain to enjoy TV

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wagnerrp:

oh those poor seven souls, stranded out in the pacific...

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Dagmar:

You don't have to turn off your bain.

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Dagmar:

You just have to be willing to not give a sh*t.

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Dagmar:

No cow ever jumped more than about five feet up, let alone cleared the MOON, but kids love hearing about it just the same

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shellevil:

Hello – not strictly on-topic – but anyone know of any DAB USB radio recievers?

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shellevil:

Interested in making a linux radio.

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: In the trunk data base schema has all text strings been changed to "utf8_general_ci"? The reason I ask is that it looks like the MythDB python bindings are not connecting to the data base with 'utf8' enabled. This means that all string fields are returned as ASCII strings.

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RDV_Linux:

I created a working patch but I need to know if I have to create a 'utf8' connect routine or just patch the current existing connect logic. If all text fields are not "utf8_general_ci" then a separate routine is not required.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, yes, all the text fields (as far as I am aware) are utf8_general_ci in trunk-- if the python bindings aren't behaving, probably better to fix it there rather than trying to work around them

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gbee:

hey, I'm still watching the series, but sorry, I'm bothered by shitty scripting and production – whatever the subject matter

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RDV_Linux:

Great then my current patch can be submitted. It has taken me a few days to figure out what was wring with Jamu.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, I think the real problem is that nobody seems to have ownership of the python bindings, so it's very probable that they have other deficiencies

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gbee:

you mean aside from the obvious one?

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RDV_Linux:

Well if I can help a little then I will. I am still to green with python to take any ownership, but this was a definite bug/deficiency.

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iamlindoro:

gbee, "being python?"

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gbee:

hey, your words ;)

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iamlindoro:

Don't hate, I heard that's what mythweb will be in now

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gbee:

why on earth did they give a major film review show to Jonathan Ross, the guy has the maturity of a twelve year old, it's just embarrassing

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gbee:

his top five of the upcoming summer releases – Comic book, anime and sci-fi inspired

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wagnerrp:

a live action based off an anime?

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wagnerrp:

oh... DBZ

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gbee:

actually it was Blood The Last Vampire

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gbee:

to be fair, he also threw in the obligatory gangster/crime drama to the mix and a kids animation

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wagnerrp:

i remember hearing the plot to Angels and Demons once, and thought it was incredibly asinine, but i dont remember what it was now

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gbee:

Illunimati is about all I know

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wagnerrp:

oh right, they want to destroy the roman catholic church with an antimatter bomb

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gbee:

heh

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shellevil:

Ah. 'based on the best selling novel by Dan Brown. I'll avoid then, I don't need to throw things at the screen.

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wagnerrp:

because if they could get their hand on antimatter... enough antimatter to make a worthwhile bomb out of... they couldnt just get a nuke like everyone else

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Dagmar:

Well, God could stop a nuke.

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Dagmar:

...but nothing stops anti-matter! It's crazy like that

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wagnerrp:

but if got touches antimatter, it will vaporize him?

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wagnerrp:

her/it/whatever

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shellevil:

There are ways to catalyse fusion reactions with small amounts of antimatter.

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shellevil:

But, these are continuous reactions, not bombs

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gbee:

I was bought his first book for Christmas a year ago, finally had nothing else to read so I gave it a go, not the worst thing I've ever read, but definately in contention – plot holes a mile wide, his 'facts' were all wrong (unfortunate that it's a subject that any computer geek would know about) and the dialog/characters were just dire

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shellevil:

www.baen.com/library/ free library of some quite good SF

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shellevil:

Including a magic system based on forth.

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shellevil:

:)

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gbee:

in the first chapter he sets up a character as having a high IQ (~190), the foremost expert in her field, highly respected etc – then proceeds to have her doing the stupidest things and she's the last one to figure out what the reader's realised halfway through the book

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gbee:

she is continually slow on the uptake and other characters have to explain things in detail before she twigs – of course it's exposition for the slow witted reader's benefit but it's entirely out of character for someone who is supposed to understand this stuff

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** gbee is clearly looking to rant about everything tonight **

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gbee:

you will all be glad to know that I'm going to bed, won't hear anything more from me ;)

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