Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, April 13th, 2009, 00:05 UTC

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, gbee, new patch to the Subtitle/Season/Episode stuff uploaded. Can now download images only or TV by title/subtitle only (along with other miscellaneous fixes

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iamlindoro:

Thus making it even harder for anduin to commit it, with even more to review, heh

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chandoo:

hi

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chandoo:

i am installing mythtv i am getting lot of conflicts

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chandoo:

http://rafb.net/p/vCKOt037.html

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kormoc:

You should likely talk with your distro folks

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** iamlindoro giggles at fedora calling libavcodec, format, utils, swscale, etc. as prerequisites for Myth **

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iamlindoro:

Thought red hat was the one with the clued in packagers

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chandoo:

kormoc:: okay

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kormoc:

might be a third party repo

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iamlindoro:

ah, maybe so

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iamlindoro:

gotta get the newest version of mplayer, that's Myth's player after all!

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chandoo:

i am having rpmfusion-free repo in yum

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iamlindoro:

Myth's pretty much just some shell scripts wrapped around cron and mplayer, right?? ;)

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** kormoc waits the slashdot post about mythtv being a epic prank **

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iamlindoro:

Gotta hit phoronix, then it's "legit."

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iamlindoro:

Heh, I must admit to a slightly unhealthy amount of pride on this most recent MythVideo patch

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iamlindoro:

If you didn't know better you'd get the impression I was starting to know what I was doing

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

I gotta get a box up and running again

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iamlindoro:

Yes, this IRC via telepathy is freaking me out

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kormoc:

that's gonna get interesting when you start thinking bout your fan art of the ladies...

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iamlindoro:

boobiesboobiesboobiesboobiesboobiesboobiesboobiesboobiesboobiesboobies

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iamlindoro:

what? I got distracted for a second

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wagnerrp:

woo! $950 in tax returns....

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** kormoc laughs **

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wagnerrp:

... of course that does mean i paid an extra $950 more than i needed to last year

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kormoc:

I was thinking "You should check out your config.xml file and oh the things I would do to her..."

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, Heh, I ended up oweing a tad over $2k

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wagnerrp:

seems i started a bit of a fight on the users list about cards not supporting 1920x1200 digitally

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kormoc:

Mmm... Mango Rockstar...

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wagnerrp:

although danielk seems to have definitively ended it

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you may have have been the first to disagree with him, but /he/ started the fight!

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iamlindoro:

As is always true

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sphery:

I'm just glad that after danielk responded to say that he's wrong and you and I were right, he didn't send any more messages claiming that daniel is wrong.

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** kormoc starts humming, 'Oh where have all the internet stabbings gone' **

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iamlindoro:

The next time he writes to the dev list for help I'm just going to let him twist in the breeze

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iamlindoro:

every time I answer his questions it just causes me grief

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kormoc:

which guy?

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sphery:

well, that's because you're not giving him the answer he wants.

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iamlindoro:

JYA

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kormoc:

ahh

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sphery:

he doesn't write to ask questions to get the truth, he writes to ask questions to get the answer he wants, so if you give some other answer, he has to argue to get you to change the answer

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wagnerrp:

im surprised there has never been an Apr.1 RFC for knife transport over tcp/ip

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kormoc:

it's awaiting for the RFC for 'Facial detection and object transport destination targeting'

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clever:

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wagnerrp:

clever: ive actually got an image somewhere to that effect

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clever:

lol

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wagnerrp:

here we go... http://www.wagnerrp.com/images/random/face.jpg

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clever:

:D

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wagnerrp:

i realize brute force ssh attacks are common

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wagnerrp:

but has anyone been attacked by a botnet before?

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kormoc:

Define attacked?

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wagnerrp:

im getting roughly one connection per minute, sequential account names, but random IPs

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kormoc:

That's fairly common actually

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wagnerrp:

started early last week, and theyre halfway through the As

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kormoc:

easiest way to get them to stop is to turn off ssh for a few days

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wagnerrp:

well i daily get the one where one IP hammers me for up to a minute with a couple thousand connection

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clever:

12 22:04:10 <+iSilent> thats where i stole it from :D

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wagnerrp:

but this is the second time this one has happened to me

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wagnerrp:

last time, it went on for some 4–5 months

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clever:

wagnerrp: one of my friends online was broken by a brute force ssh bot

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clever:

it left a copy of itself in /dev/shm/

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clever:

i had him tar it up so i could analyze the little devil

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clever:

i still have it on my disk, but i forget where

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clever:

it didnt realy do any harm, it just tried to copy itself to other systems

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wagnerrp:

this was just the second time ive seen it in so many years... wondered how common it was

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clever:

just consumes cpu&bandwidth

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wagnerrp:

at one per minute, not really

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, you should install http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/

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clever:

i dont think this one had such a delay

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kormoc:

or any number of similar ones (fail2ban, blockhosts, etc)

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clever:

he caught it because of the massive cpu usage

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: ive had a couple of those installed at one time or another over the years

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clever:

kormoc: my firewall blocks port 22 by default and only forwards it if i login to a password protected http page and poke a certain button

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wagnerrp:

but its more just been a nuisance than anything else, with my server not running a firewall, and having to forward it to a remote box

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, deny hosts uses hosts.deny, so no firewall needed, makes it a much lighter solution

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wagnerrp:

well i use PF as my firewall, and it has an extremely efficient mechanism to block IPs

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clever:

i havent realy noticed any cpu usage by iptables

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wagnerrp:

its of no consequence to have a block table in the hundreds of thousands of entries

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kormoc:

heh, same basic end-result, hosts.deny and PF/IPT all use the same kernel calls

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clever:

~20% of my cpu goes to pppoe

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wagnerrp:

(except PF and IPT dont run on the same kernel)

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kormoc:

sure, but it's all passed to the socket layer and that's what is doing the rejection

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if denyhosts would have any effect on the attack im currently having

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wagnerrp:

i do notice repeat IPs, but they are usually days in between

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clever:

the only major 'attack' ive been hit by was a bandwidth flood

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, it has a centralized database, so if enough other users have been hit, block-amungo

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clever:

over 100mbit worth of bandwidth clogging my dsl line

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kormoc:

Least, I think that's the one that does that

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wagnerrp:

i guess now i just have to make sure i dont mistype my password more than a couple times

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kormoc:

http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/faq.html#4_0

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kormoc:

Aye, it's the one

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clever:

wagnerrp: just use public keys!

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clever:

heck, disable password-auth!

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wagnerrp:

i use public keys, but i keep password open in case im on a public computer

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clever:

i only use public keys to login within the lan without a pw, but i should use them more

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wagnerrp:

i use them whenever i have my laptop with me

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wagnerrp:

and on the machines at work

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wagnerrp:

of course... you never leave the house so what does it matter.... :P

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clever:

i have a public key in my PDA so it can login to the house without a pw

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clever:

but i still need to login to my website and demand that port 22 be opened

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clever:

which is another place i use public keys

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clever:

the webserver uses a public key to login to the router as root, and add a rule to iptables

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wagnerrp:

did denyhosts just get published on some website about a week ago?

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kormoc:

not that I know of

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wagnerrp:

or has there been a large upshift in attacks since conficker went active?

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kormoc:

Aye, that there has been

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kormoc:

Conflicker itself hasn't been shown to do ssh attacks, but something else has been recently

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wagnerrp:

i mean starting apr6 and peaking apr8, they went from ~5000 attacks daily to 80k

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clever:

Apr 12 19:14:35 localhost kernel: FW:ppp0 idrop IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=202.100.219.81 DST=142.167.106.213 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=45 ID=34303 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=51603 DPT=22 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0

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clever:

i havent gotten a probe on port 22 in ~3 hours

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clever:

they seem to be ignoring canada

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wagnerrp:

well my last flooding attack was some 5hrs ago

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

let me process it a tad more

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wagnerrp:

with another one about 45 minutes before that

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clever:

root@newrouter:~# grep DPT=22\ /var/log/kern.log|cut -b 0–7|sort|uniq -c|sort -n

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clever:

10 Apr 12

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clever:

16 Apr 4

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clever:

i had 10 probes on the 12th and 16 on the 4th

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clever:

but not very much overall

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clever:

maybe the fact that you accept the connections on 22 causes it to get worse

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clever:

im not giving any reply so it comes up as connection timed out

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wagnerrp:

2309 unique IPs, for 3742 attacks

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wagnerrp:

since 4AM (EDT) on the 10th

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Do you know of a "Marc Tousignant"? He is having a problem with the latest ttvdb that I cannot reproduce. He is suggesting changes to the code that fixed the utf8 errors that used to occur. That is code I do not want to change. Just wondering if you knew him.

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clever:

wagnerrp: i can only see a single ip that was repeating more then 2 times

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clever:

2 59.63.25.158

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clever:

45 116.14.172.87

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, He has requested help from me numerous times with the season/episode, and it ended up being broken setup on his side

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clever:

wagnerrp: lol, every packet from that 116. guy is an ICMP error!

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clever:

Apr 12 08:35:38 localhost kernel: FW:ppp0 idrop IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=116.14.172.87 DST=142.167.106.213 LEN=88 TOS=0x08 PREC=0xC0 TTL=45 ID=52820 PROTO=ICMP TYPE=3 CODE=1 [SRC=142.167.106.213 DST=192.168.1.103 LEN=60 TOS=0x08 PREC=0x00 TTL=40 ID=38865 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=45083 DPT=22 WINDOW=5808 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 ]

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wagnerrp:

ive got 707 from one IP, 409 from another

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sphery:

wagnerrp: fwknop ftw!

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RDV_Linux:

Thanks, that puts things in perspective. Your input is always appreciated.

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clever:

wagnerrp: from that line i just pasted, it looks more like i was scanning him:S

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sphery:

it's a Single-Packet Authorization program--does what port knocking was supposed to do, but does it right.

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sphery:

http://cipherdyne.org/fwknop/

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wagnerrp:

well after 7 years with ssh online, ive not had one successful attack

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clever:

ive run jack the ripper on my shadow file before, it couldnt break any of my passwords after several months

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clever:

it would probly take even longer to crack thru ssh

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sphery:

I run fwknopd to keep my /var/log/btmp (and authorize.log) small--i.e. if I don't have people trying random logins via ssh, there's less data to monitor, and, therefore, I'm far more likely to notice when something /is/ in fact wrong.

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wagnerrp:

im actually somewhat concerned about some accounts ive given friends, i have no idea their concept of password strength

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sphery:

fwknop may not be ideal, then--you'd have to teach them how to use it

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, but if you assume that those friends are hostile, you would just lock down his acct to begin with

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sphery:

(though there /is/ a Windows client, just in case they're Windows users)

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wagnerrp:

well i cant remember the last time any of them has logged in

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wagnerrp:

i can always just deactivate them

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sphery:

clever: he means that some bot might be able to crack one of their passwords...

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wagnerrp:

but they shouldnt have write access to anything anyway

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clever:

sphery: yeah, but if the acct is locked down the bot cant do much either

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sphery:

since 2006-06–12, -rw------- 1 root root 1920 2008-11–19 23:11 /var/log/btmp

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sphery:

Not bad at all...

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clever:

-rw-rw-r-- 1 root utmp 0 2009-04–01 07:56 /var/log/btmp

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sphery:

On a system that's net facing (and that I cleaned out btmp about 4 months ago): -rw------- 1 root root 28922112 2009-04–12 05:21 btmp

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wagnerrp:

i dont have a btmp

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clever:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root utmp 16896 Dec 7 2007 /var/log/btmp

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sphery:

I mean, they're both net facing, but the 2nd has ssh's port open

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clever:

on my router

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sphery:

wagnerrp: man lastb

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clever:

root Tue Sep 5 11:31 – 11:31 (00:00)

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clever:

doesnt say where it came from... :S

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sphery:

wagnerrp: it's the failed login attempts

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wagnerrp:

not one of those either... must be something linux-particular, rather than a posix thing

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sphery:

has to be enabled on many distros

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clever:

its dumped by the 'lastb' program

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sphery:

(distros dropped it because it grows without bounds--based on number of bad logins--so it often filled /var partition)

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wagnerrp:

im not running a 'distro'

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clever:

sphery: ive found that some things will only use that file if it exists

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sphery:

oh, yeah, you're on an "unapproved OS" ;)

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clever:

so you have to 'touch' it before it starts logging

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sphery:

right, same with wtmp--but you really need to touch them and then set permissions properly

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sphery:

your btmp should be 0600 (otherwise, users could read it and look for failed logins where there user typed password as username--happens a lot right after they fail the first login attempt)

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clever:

it isnt set to that on either system:P

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sphery:

heh

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clever:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root utmp 16896 Dec 7 2007 /var/log/btmp

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clever:

-rw-rw-r-- 1 root utmp 0 2009-04–01 07:56 /var/log/btmp

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sphery:

ideally, it won't matter, but to be "proper", it should /never/ be world readable

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clever:

nobody has access to my router so it doesnt matter much

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sphery:

(i.e. if you trust all the users on your system, it's not a big deal)

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clever:

ive only got 1 other user who has access to a system of mine

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clever:

and i locked it down so much he can bearly even get a shell

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clever:

just firefox and irssi

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clever:

but you can easily do /exec xterm from irssi!

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iamlindoro:

Anduin, just doing my part to make sure you have your hands full when you finally get to looking at this patch ;)

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** sphery wonders if Apple is paying to get all the CSI's to carry iPhones... **

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wagnerrp:

seems slashdot is reporting on the recent bout of ssh attacks

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kormoc:

sphery, would be the right target audience

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wagnerrp:

yeah, theyre claiming april 7th, thats about when mine started

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wagnerrp:

and followed the same sequence... root, admin, james....

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wagnerrp:

followed by the sequential attack

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sphery:

kormoc: yeah... It seems to coincidental for them all to switch from PDA's at the same time--especially with the focus the phones are now getting

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sphery:

too

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kormoc:

Just wait for the, 'Hey, let's take a breather from looking at that corpse and check out the newest applications from the itunes store... Ooh look, kittens for only $19.99!'

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

would you rather they try to sell you some hideous box of a car?

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wagnerrp:

with some funky wrap-around rear window

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sphery:

Every time I see those iPhone app commercials, I wonder how much all those apps they show loaded on the phone would have cost

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wagnerrp:

but theyre applets, theyre worth any price

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sphery:

So, it turns out Better Off Ted is pretty good.

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, yeah, and I can say I actually watch their 'commercials'. :)

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sphery:

yeah, the commercials are almost better than the show.

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sphery:

do you have the update for the commflagger that unmarks Veridian Dynamics commercials?

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Captain_Murdoch:

:)

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Captain_Murdoch:

not getting flagged on this end I don't think. I'll have to doublecheck.

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sphery:

I've only had one that did.

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sphery:

it was just the 95% thing...

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Criggie:

kormoc: my apologies for that.

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Criggie:

Hey all – I'm trying to diagnose some corruption on my PVR-150 cards. Seems to be same on Tuner1 as well as composite1. I've tested my aerials with a TV and that's showing no corruption... so its got to be the cards or the box. Any suggestions ?

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wombo_:

Kormoc, Ive had my sleep. For all the drop down boxes where are all the options kept?

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wombo_:

For example in the Custom screen there is the 'Find day' drop down with each day of the week listed

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Criggie:

More info – has anyone ever seen corruption like this? http://criggie.dyndns.org/pictures/?gallery=pvr150

[04:00:30]

Criggie:

thats a couple jpegs – here's the same kind of thing:

[04:00:32]

Criggie:

http://criggie.dyndns.org/mythtv/TV1-second.avi

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Criggie:

it only appears on some TV channels – locally known as TV1 and C4 and occasionally on others.

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sphery:

Criggie: I got something like that when recording from a DISH network STB.

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Criggie:

its not an all-the-time thing

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sphery:

Turns out the STB needed rebooting.

[04:02:49]

sphery:

I had to reboot it once a month (more often than my Myth box)

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Criggie:

sphery: hmmm – this is a vanilla UHF aerial into a PVR150. I've tested the aerial and cable and the splitter to a TV and it looks fine.

[04:03:09]

Criggie:

maybe the PVR is picking up on something that doesn't affect the TV

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sphery:

Don't know.

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sphery:

Are you sure the PVR-150 is working?

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Criggie:

yeah – me neither.... hence asking you guys :)

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sphery:

Have you tried it in Windows?

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sphery:

(I know--a real pain and a lot of work for a quick test, but...)

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Criggie:

sphery: the oddball thing is, I was capturing something from analogue composite inputs and it did the same kind of thing

[04:04:13]

Criggie:

(reading in an old VHS tape for a friend)

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Criggie:

so that shows its the machine or something in it.... kind of rules out the aerial and the signal to me.... what do you think?

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Criggie:

No, I have one windows box available to me, and its a VM

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Criggie:

I could do something if you thought it would be beneficial.

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sphery:

Well, the only suggestions I can make are a) make sure all of the recording profiles are set to 720x480 (or 720x576 if PAL) and that you have sufficient bitrate (start with 4000kbps avg/6000kbps max)

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Criggie:

gotcha

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sphery:

If that doesn't help, I'd try something more drastic--including the Windows test to see if it might be the hardware.

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Criggie:

I'll bang on it and see what comes up.

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Criggie:

thanks for that :)

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sphery:

good luck

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sphery:

and make sure you don't have any module options on your kernel tuner module...

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sphery:

but too late for that.

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** mchou wishes ATI can get its linux act together. They have good HW but drivers are major suckage **

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ugliefrog:

anyone here

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kormoc:

negative

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ugliefrog:

well...could you direct me to a good help site or channel

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kormoc:

mythtv.org ?

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ugliefrog:

no...ive tried there. I want to use myth but i cant even get a simple tv viewer to work

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ugliefrog:

i dont know what im doing at all

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kormoc:

Well, you could ask some specific questions and someone might know the answer, the email lists are fairly active (mythtv-users), there's the manual on mythtv.org and the wiki which has walkthoughs for most of the common hardware and distros

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Shadow_x:

damn dist-upgrade

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Shadow_x:

illed mythtv

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Shadow_x:

anyone here dist-upgrade hosed my system

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Worf:

i've heard that upgrading ubuntu sometimes involves a bit of manual work

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Shadow_x:

yeah so i guess this backend is done for awhle

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Shadow_x:

and all i wanted to do what watch shows on it tonight

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Shadow_x:

lol

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Shadow_x:

guess shouldnt of upgraded

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Shadow_x:

i have had upgrades fail but wow

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Shadow_x:

lol

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Worf:

well, depending on your timezone you have some time to fix :)

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Shadow_x:

its 4:47 now stayed

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Shadow_x:

class at 10 so i guess i have time

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Shadow_x:

which m eans no time for sleep

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Worf:

hmm. here are holidays now

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Shadow_x:

ah guess i am ahead of ya then

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Worf:

but i think you learned that upgrading a operating system is something that you do when you have time, otherwise just do save-upgrade

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Shadow_x:

whats save upgrade

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Shadow_x:

the system was half functioning

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Shadow_x:

my main source of recording the cable box is shot

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Shadow_x:

so thats why i thought i would messwith it

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Worf:

well – you obviousely did aptitude dist-upgrade (or so) .... you might want to read the man page of aptitude (or apt-get or whatever you used )

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Worf:

but i'm wondering ... "dist-upgrade" is long gone actually

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Shadow_x:

Worf: yeah going through to gui didnt let me update

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Shadow_x:

yeah inormally doupgrade alone but too late now

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Worf:

ah – just found out: dist-upgrade is a apt-get thing...

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Shadow_x:

i had 83 updates and it rrecommended a partial diist upgrade i believe

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Worf:

i just realize how long i've not used apt-get

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Shadow_x:

hmm

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Worf:

( i started using aptitude long ago because it remembers what was installed because it's been required by something else, and uninstalls all that once it's not required anymore )

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Shadow_x:

mhm

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Worf:

which doesn't mean it wouldn't have it's issues

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Shadow_x:

right how can you tell what version of a distro your running

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Worf:

"version"? you can tell what repositories you use by looking at your /etc/apt/sources.list ...

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Shadow_x:

is too late for me

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Shadow_x:

:)

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jduggan:

must say.... easter tv has been shite

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gbee:

holiday seasons are going that way, Christmas/New Years is usually the worst time of the year for TV

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ugliefrog:

can someone here please walk me through how to get mythtv setup..ive been trying for three days to get somewhere and nothing

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ugliefrog:

theres 208 ppl and no one can help

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lydgate:

I've got a hauppauge remote and it seems to show up as a keyboard, I can map most but not all of the keys using xmodmap and xbindkeys — would lirc allow me to map the rest?

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lydgate:

or is there another way to use the other buttons which don't seem to generate keycodes in xev

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lydgate:

if possible i'd prefer just to map it like a keyboard, lirc seems more complex

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iamlindoro:

http://www.geektonic.com/2009/04/when-sociali . . . d-thing.html

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iamlindoro:

Ugh, someone plans to try the p2p commflagging thing

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iamlindoro:

Now we'll never hear the end of it

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iamlindoro:

They also intend to share the closed captioning-- Hellooooooo lawsuit

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laga:

iamlindoro: we actually have something like that for the german onlinetvrecorder.com. the key difference here is that everyone has the same file if they recorded a show

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iamlindoro:

laga, exactly

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iamlindoro:

the time offsets/different markets/timestamp differences due to corruption or broken recording make it impractical for real TV IMO

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Here is an easter egg for you http://pastebin.ca/1390574 tell me what you think.

[14:08:54]

stuarta:

afternoon all

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, Works for me

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, As it is I'm only taking the first result returned by that command anyway so I'll need to add a little extra code for the selection popup, but it shouldn't be that big a pain

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iamlindoro:

stuarta, morning

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RDV_Linux:

Did you try it or only read my test output? On another subject the guy "Marc" I asked you about solved his problems with ttvdb.py. His "locale" set up was not UTF-8 and he was using a ssh like utility that defaulted to latin-1. I will give him credit that he resolved his own issues with a little info about my own setup.

[14:15:13]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, I only read the test output from this morning, but I have title/subtitle search and match in MythVideo working as of last night's script

[14:15:50]

RDV_Linux:

Is this another requested feature you do not want?:)

[14:16:06]

RDV_Linux:

I cannot code fast enough

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, No, not at all, what gave you that idea?

[14:16:28]

RDV_Linux:

Just ranking your chain.

[14:16:34]

iamlindoro:

And besides, I made *one* request that I thought better of within five minutes, sheesh!

[14:19:26]

RDV_Linux:

Sometimes I am too eager to please. I need two screens one for coding and one for the channel and the eyes of an old world cameleon (eyes on independent stocks)

[14:20:12]

wagnerrp:

why does tmdb want such absurdly large movie posters?

[14:20:36]

wagnerrp:

i mean they want at least 1000px wide

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iamlindoro:

I would guess for use an native resolution when displayed nearly full screen (like the item detail screen in mythvideo, etc.

[14:20:52]

iamlindoro:

use at

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RDV_Linux:

Seriously will the change to ttvdb.py break your code? If so I will hold off submitting it.

[14:21:14]

wagnerrp:

considering nearly every movie poster is going to be at least twice as tall as wide, NO ONE is going to be able to use an image that large at native resolution

[14:21:38]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, It's won't at all, it's not that-- It's that I haven't written code to take advantage of multiple returns in that format yet

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, Even if I do nothing it would still take the first item and just work with that-- won't break, just might be wrong in some instances

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wagnerrp:

not unless theyre using the WQUXGA medical monitors or something

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iamlindoro:

it's a 2:3 ratio usually

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RDV_Linux:

Great I will submit it later today. Now off to debug Jamu.

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iamlindoro:

seeya, thanks

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wagnerrp:

i suppose thats reasonable for people with WQSVGA displays, even though thats a bit extreme since there is no WQSVGA content

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wagnerrp:

unless people manage to get their hands on IMAX scans or something

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I guess they figure it's easier to make a big suit small than a small suit big

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iamlindoro:

anyway, the metadata doesn't have to have any resolution relation to the content

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iamlindoro:

I have lots of 1920x1080 fanart fo 720x480 DVD rips :)

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jamiem:

my HD telly so isn't

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gbee:

wagnerrp: bad wording on the tmdb thing, they'd prefer 1000px if possible and suprisingly there are plenty at that size, but if all else fails just upload the highest res you can find

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gbee:

already questioned the 1000px policy

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iamlindoro:

I know that I've just done my best in a bunch of cases

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wagnerrp:

ugh... my pages print green

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wagnerrp:

i guess its been untold months since the last time ive used this printer

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gbee:

same, I've uploaded several sub-1000px posters, but I've always searched high and low for the best quality/res that I can find

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gbee:

I haven't done what many others did, which is to scale UP those lower res posters, that's a waste of time

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iamlindoro:

And if you don't know what you're doing, almost bound to create a bad result

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iamlindoro:

Probably most graphics packages default to some bilinear scaling

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wagnerrp:

and now the print drivers on the laser expect the printer to be powered on and connected

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gbee:

upscaling never produces a good result, maybe ok but never good

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Right, just speaking about the various methods of upscaling and how i you must do so, you definitely want to use lanczos or similar

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iamlindoro:

if

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iamlindoro:

I still think it's sill that one guy named a wiki page on digital audio ater himself

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iamlindoro:

after

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iamlindoro:

"Allen's Digital Audio Howto"

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sid3windr:

hmpf

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sid3windr:

I added a dvb-s card into my backend and now everything is whack :(

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sid3windr:

I keep getting "you should have gotten a channel lock by now" on my dvb-t and dvb-c

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sid3windr:

(but the video is already running!)

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iamlindoro:

Have you increased your signal and tuning timeouts?

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sphery:

I hear there's a wonderful DVB-S howto on the wiki

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iamlindoro:

If the lock and timeout times are at almost the same point, you will see that-- usually solvable by increasing the timeouts in mythtv-setup

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sid3windr:

but why would this change for C and T just by adding an S card?

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sid3windr:

it's not even configured in myth yet ;/

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iamlindoro:

I think you're confusing corellation with causation :)

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sphery:

Have you noticed how few pirates there are in these days of global warming?

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iamlindoro:

Unless you're in the gulf of Aden

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sid3windr:

I tried setting up the S card in the MBE but it caused it to die, too ;(

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sphery:

Yeah, I guess this past year slowed down Global Warming a bit.

[15:31:29]

sphery:

We've been blessed by the great noodly appendage of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

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gbee:

iamlindoro: my laser used to work whenever it was switched on/connected, now I'm having to feed it the firmware manually each time, not sure what broke :/

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sid3windr:

gbee: it's probably also got something to do with my dvb-s card ;>

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** sid3windr takes a hammer to the backend **

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dubstar_04:

whats the status of mythmusic in trunk?

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sphery:

work in progress?

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sphery:

unstable/development?

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sid3windr:

still there?

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Anduin:

anin

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gbee:

du

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Nockian:

if i have more than one mythtv box, i can setup one as the 'primary master' and just point the others to the primary's database and samba share for storing recordings, correct?

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sphery:

Nockian: there's always only one master backend

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sid3windr:

iamlindoro: timeout is 2.5s lock is 6.5 (was 2 and 5), but I'm still getting "you should have gotten a lock" about 4 sec after the video is there

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stuarta:

Nockian: read up on slave backends

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sphery:

you can't have a "fallback" or "redundant" master backend

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** sid3windr removes the s card again to see if stuff starts to work magically **

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sphery:

all others are remote/slave backends

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Nockian:

hmm

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sphery:

oh, and there's always only one database

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Nockian:

so if there's only one backend, does it *need* to have all of the capture devices on it locally?

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sphery:

no, the remote/slave backends can have as many capture devices as desired

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sphery:

there's only one "master" backend

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Nockian:

okay,i'm gonna go readup first before asking more questions

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sphery:

basically, it sounds like you're asking, "can I have remote/slave backends," and if so, stuarta's advice is good

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: I hadn't noticed the scan behavior but it makes sense given what is actually going on, should be fixed when the actual bug is.

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Nockian:

i'm just looking to have one mythtv box with a single analog capture card in it as the master, and another mythtv box with a single analog capture card in it that can also record to the 'master' so they're both aware of all recordings.

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iamlindoro:

Anduin: Sorry, I'm out of context, which one?

[15:45:52]

iamlindoro:

Anduin: Oh, the multiple adds

[15:45:54]

iamlindoro:

Yeah

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: the scan keeps adding one

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Anduin:

yeah

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sphery:

Nockian: the clients will always request recordings from the recording host, unless you enable "Master Backend Override" in mythtv-setup, in which case the master backend will be allowed--only if the recording host's backend is not running--to serve recordings if they're available locally

[15:48:52]

sphery:

Nockian: Master Backend Override: If enabled, the master backend will stream and delete files if it finds them in the video directory. Useful if you are using a central storage location, like a NFS share, and your slave backend isn't running.

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Nockian:

sphery: yeah... i just read up on how to have more than one mythtv box on your network. it's very impressive... good design

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sphery:

OK, actually, it makes it so that if streaming, the master backend always does the streaming if it can find the file

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** Nockian nods **

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Nockian:

what do you guys do for your frontends as far as connecting the mythtv video output to the video in on your TV sets? i was thinking that it would be best to have a video card on the mythtv box that did s-video out, but i suppose it just depends on what your TV set can handle

[15:53:03]

sphery:

yep...

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iamlindoro:

In general, you use the best available input/output that both your GPU and TV have

[15:53:36]

iamlindoro:

With DVI/HDMI being the best and composite being the worst (Well, RF is worse, but GPUs don't have that)

[15:54:18]

sphery:

DVI/HDMI -> VGA -> Component -> S-Video -> Composite, generally speaking

[15:54:26]

sphery:

best to worst, that is

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Nockian:

one of my older TV sets only has RF and a yellow/white composite for video/audio... what would you do in that case (aside from buying a new TV)

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iamlindoro:

If your only choices are RF and composite, use composite

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sphery:

though at the top end, things may change depending, i.e., on cable length and other factors

[15:55:21]

sphery:

(factors including TV set design/internal electronics)

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Nockian:

iamlindoro: okay, and for the audio should i get a cable to connect my sound card to the composite audio on the TV?

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iamlindoro:

Well it's not called composite audio, but yes, you'd use the RCA audio ins

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Nockian:

okay, thanks

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sphery:

that works, but many will say the D->A on a sound card is much worse than that you'll find in an external A/V receiver

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sphery:

so digital audio out to the receiver allows you to use its D/A, and get a better reproduction, but you lose internal volume control

[15:56:50]

iamlindoro:

Right, if you have a receiver you'll want to use that

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Nockian:

and if i only have VGA on the back of the mythtv box for output... and only RF/composite on the TV set.. do they make a cable that changes VGA to composite and/or should i just buy a video card that has composite out?

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stuarta:

or buy a better tv

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sphery:

you'd need a VGA->Composite converter

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Nockian:

hehe

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Nockian:

you can get decent LCD displays for pretty cheap nowadays i suppose

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sphery:

the video card is likely to be cheaper and (unless you go to great lengths and, likely, build your own), better quality

[15:58:26]

sphery:

i.e. it's not just a cable, it has to resample the picture to convert it to a totally different format

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Nockian:

ok

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sphery:

then again, the better TV has many benefits :)

[16:00:09]

sphery:

when I got my better TV, it cost me a fortune--because then I needed to get 4 new HDTV capture cards, terabytes extra storage, and a significantly faster frontend system (and my one combined SDTV frontend/backend turned into 2 dedicated backends and 1 dedicated frontend)

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lydgate:

i'm using debian lenny with kernel 2.6.26 and it detects my hauppauge remote as a keyboard — however I have dead keys. I'd prefer not to use LIRC if possible. Does anyone know how to get these keys to generate keycodes?

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sphery:

still, though, I would never go back :)

[16:00:58]

sphery:

lydgate: find kernel keyboard module for your remote, hack it

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sphery:

or--better--use LIRC

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lydgate:

hmmmm

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sphery:

using the remote as a keyboard, you have to map the functionality of the "key" on your remote into /every/ single program on your system

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lydgate:

sphery: well, i'm happy with that, i just use xbindkeys and the only apps that matter are mythtv and mplayer

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lydgate:

which are already close enough

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lydgate:

and configurable

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sphery:

using the remote as a LIRC device, you simply map the button to the functionality you want using the LIRC configuration--meaning that your mythtv/xine/mplayer/... keybindings can be whatever you want (or default)

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lydgate:

hmmm

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sphery:

IMHO, putting remote/keyboard configuration into individual apps is like putting ALSA configuration into individual apps

[16:03:11]

lydgate:

I haven't devoted a lot of time to it but I don't understand how LIRC works, it seems unnecessarily complex for what I want to do, which is just map each remote key to a keyboard key

[16:03:25]

sphery:

(but then again, "You don't /need/ a ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf." I know this because I read it on the wiki.

[16:03:47]

sphery:

I completely agree that it's unnecessarily complex

[16:04:02]

sphery:

but, once you configure it once, that config will last you a long time

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lydgate:

hmmm

[16:04:27]

** sphery is still using the same LIRC config he set up in 2004 **

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iamlindoro:

Not to mention once you wrap your head around the concepts, they'll never confuse you again

[16:04:48]

lydgate:

i haven't found any persuasive documentation yet for LIRC, but I suppose I should keep looking

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iamlindoro:

you will, however, become so bitter about people's LIRC questions that you will pretend to be afk when they are asked

[16:05:13]

lydgate:

a lot of LIRC documentation seems ancient

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sphery:

that is true...

[16:05:45]

sphery:

I think I answered one LIRC question in the last 3 years--and only did so because I was bored

[16:05:52]

lydgate:

i like how at the top of the LIRC Manual it says

[16:05:58]

lydgate:

"Setting up LIRC currently is not an easy task."

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lydgate:

great

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iamlindoro:

To mythbuntu's credit, they've managed to make it prety idiot proof for 100 or so common remotes and receivers

[16:06:27]

stuarta:

i would be nice to have a nice myth configuration tool for lirc

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sphery:

Yeah, that is funny... But then again, understatement may keep from driving people away. :)

[16:06:56]

iamlindoro:

Think jams has a pretty nice one built into his mythvantage stuff

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sphery:

is the mythbuntu stuff related?

[16:07:09]

iamlindoro:

Using Myth-style Qt setup screens, too

[16:07:16]

iamlindoro:

sphery: no, theirs is different

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lydgate:

I'd rather just use xmodmap and xbindkeys, except for the deadkeys — at the moment it seems to me it will be easier to find and recompile the kernel module for my remote

[16:07:27]

lydgate:

do you disagree?

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sphery:

you'd actually have to hack it

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sphery:

to add in keysyms for the unused buttons

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lydgate:

ok

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sphery:

IMHO, if you're going to take the time to hack/learn something, you might as well learn something useful :)

[16:08:23]

lydgate:

hmmm

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sphery:

LIRC is more generally useful than a custom-modified kernel keyboard drivers

[16:08:46]

sphery:

(though if your end goal is kernel driver hacking...)

[16:08:57]

lydgate:

well as I said I still don't "get" why I need LIRC... does it just glue IR signals to commands?

[16:09:16]

sphery:

I know of someone in this channel, however, who would completely disagree with the concept of learning useful things...

[16:09:38]

sphery:

the key to LIRC is abstraction

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sphery:

just like the key to Storage Groups is abstraction

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lydgate:

ok

[16:10:52]

sphery:

A Storage Group is /not/ a directory. It's a logical name that's mapped to a list of directories. So, you can change your system configuration (directory paths and/or recording file locations) and need only make a single change to Myth--change the list of directories associated with the Storage Group (name)

[16:11:03]

sphery:

store the configuration in one location and reference it everywhere

[16:11:09]

sphery:

that's the same idea as for LIRC

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lydgate:

yeah

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sphery:

instead of configuring every single app, you configure LIRC for the apps with which you'll use it

[16:11:54]

sphery:

and, really, it actually goes even one step farther (though most people in the Myth world want to eliminate this benefit of LIRC)

[16:12:04]

lydgate:

I understand the point of abstraction layers... but just as storage groups are confusing for people who want to store things in a single directory, LIRC seems confusing to me when I just want the buttons to work in a single app

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sphery:

LIRC allows you to abstract the action from the button

[16:12:29]

sphery:

you set up lircd.conf to map a logical button "name" to a physical button on the remote

[16:12:52]

sphery:

then, even if you change remotes, you simply ensure that the new remote definition uses the same logical button names and you don't have to reconfigure LIRC

[16:13:27]

lydgate:

yeah

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** sphery wants to ensure that Myth /never/ uses the button/lircd.conf directly--it should use the ~/.lircrc (which in addition to abstracting button names from physical buttons, also allows specifying things like repeat/delay, ...) **

[16:15:37]

sphery:

fortunately, the LIRC stuff in Myth is a bit of a mess and changes basically mean re-doing it, which is a /very/ large project, so it's not likely to get changed in the near term :)

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sid3windr:

heh

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jams:

iamlindoro- just redid those screens, so it's even nicer =)

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iamlindoro:

nice

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needhelp1:

can mythtv be used without cable/satalite ? i only use hulu or tv.com

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needhelp1:

youtube

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iamlindoro:

No on all three

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jams:

sphery- here is an old screenshot http://mythvantage.com/e107_images/custom/hostype2.png

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iamlindoro:

well, outsie of watching them in Myth's browser

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needhelp1:

it wont allow me 2 record?

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iamlindoro:

nope

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iamlindoro:

we don't condone theft

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needhelp1:

its free to watch.. the site earns revenues from adverts

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needhelp1:

i dont legally own the media on cable tv... just the right to watch it

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gbee:

watch, not keep

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iamlindoro:

Exactly, they license you to watch it in their context, not to download it

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needhelp1:

so record it

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gbee:

They've already shutdown one project that displayed their videos outside the context of their website

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iamlindoro:

No. We don't and won't do that.

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gbee:

recording would be equivalent to taking a video camera into a theatre

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lydgate:

/etc/init.d/lirc start

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iamlindoro:

I can say with 100% certainty that unless Hulu comes up with terms of service that allow it, you will never be able to save Hulu content in Myth.

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lydgate:

doh, sorry

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gbee:

but it's not a debate, these are the facts, Hulu do not permit you to record their content or watch it unless it is through a webbrowser

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gbee:

anything else breaches the terms of use and will get you sued (should you ignore their cease and desist notices)

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stuarta:

there endeth todays lesson

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gbee:

personally everything I want to watch is available FTA through Satellite/Terrestrial, although I can see the value in something like Hulu if I miss an episode, why would I want to watch a poor quality/low res flash version when I can get high quality broadcast?

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gbee:

and I rarely miss an episode of anything because MythTV records it all :)

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needhelp1:

same aspect though.. i dont own the media on cable tv or satellite.. i only own a license to watch it...

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needhelp1:

so its very simular to "recording" from hulu or tv.com

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gbee:

similar == the same

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needhelp1:

if i streamed my video output from my pc "while im watching hulu" to my tv screen

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needhelp1:

and recored ..

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gbee:

Hulu will (and have) set their lawyers on people and projects that abuse their service

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sid3windr:

gbee: but simular != similar! ;)

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iamlindoro:

needhelp1: Again, not a debate. Recording Television for purposes of timeshifting is tested in court... downloading things from the internet in violation of terms of service is not

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sphery:

jams: yeah, I'd seen yours, but I've never seen MythBuntu's... And it's very nice (nice enough that I'd love to see it get into Myth :)

[16:30:16]

iamlindoro:

When you've won your supreme court case proving that saving streamed video is legal and fair use, let us know

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iamlindoro:

Until then we'll all go on not getting sued

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sphery:

gbee: I missed the last 10mins of the most-recent Fringe episode because Fox let American Idol overrun by 10mins, so I decided to watch it on Hulu. Had it been more than 10mins, I don't think I could have handled it.

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sphery:

Even if you get the "high definition" version of the content, the player--Flash--is such garbage that it requires a significantly-fast processor to play back full screen without issues.

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sphery:

I.e. My Athlon X2 6000+ handles 2x timestretch of 1080i to my 1080p display without issues, but it can't handle playback of standard or high definition Hulu content in full screen.

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iamlindoro:

Heh, their "Hi def" is usually 480p

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iamlindoro:

I think their standard is something odd like 360

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sphery:

Yeah, and 480p isn't bad--if you've got a good player!

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sphery:

I'm guessing it's the complete lack of hardware scaling in Flash

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needhelp1:

When you've won your supreme court case proving that saving streamed video is legal and fair use, let us know..... that will never happen :(

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iamlindoro:

Exactly. Thus this not being a debate or a democracy.

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sphery:

I.e. like using: NO_XV=1 mythfrontend

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sphery:

needhelp1: also, there actually /was/ a case proving that timeshifting of TV content is legal

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iamlindoro:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._v._Un . . . City_Studios

[16:37:36]

iamlindoro:

Though I did already mention that ;)

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sphery:

needhelp1: timeshifting does /not/ apply to video that's always/anytime available through the Internet

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needhelp1:

hum interesting

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gbee:

which is the big difference, it's not fair use to record on-demand video because you can go back and any time to watch it again from the site, they make additional money for each viewing – by recording it and not going through their site again you are denying them income

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needhelp1:

i could care less about hulu's income ..

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needhelp1:

there not exactly OS friendly

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iamlindoro:

Well we *do* care

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gbee:

what's more likely to happen is that the media companies withdraw their content from Hulu if they feel they are losing income from DVD and foreign broadcast rights etc

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needhelp1:

theoretically .. is it possible to stream the media to the tv and record ?

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iamlindoro:

Myth is absolutely the wrong project to be interested in if you have any interest at all in violate people or company's IP or rights

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iamlindoro:

In any case, I'm sure/I know that there are lots of projects that will help you violate Terms of Service/steal things/accommodate the downloady crowd... But not this one.

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iamlindoro:

theoretically, ask someone else. We don't do that here. This is crossing over into off limits discussion for this channel.

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needhelp1:

how about.. free online media that is PD ..

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needhelp1:

jamendo like.. except video content

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sphery:

Is this a "teach me how to do something that's not illegal, so I can then change it to do the illegal things I want to do"?

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iamlindoro:

In theory, any addition to myth which is legal, does not run afoul of Terms of Service, and which is written acceptably would be considered for inclusion

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iamlindoro:

let us know when the patch is done

[16:47:17]

iamlindoro:

But based on your opinions of other people's property it sounds like you'll be much happier using someone else's software

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sphery:

meaning we currently have nothing that downloads videos (regardless of licensing) and puts them in Myth

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gbee:

only stuff which streams such video without retaining a local copy

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sphery:

So, these cable companies that have channels that aren't on the pipe until someone watches them (using some 2-way communications device you plug in) so they can fit more channels on the same pipes... What happens if people try to watch too many of those "on request" channels?

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iamlindoro:

sphery: SDV? They'll get the channels in, it'll just reduce the average bitrate to the other channels

[16:50:44]

iamlindoro:

It all still goes through their cherry pickers, which optimize bandwidth based on the needs of each channel in the multiplex

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sphery:

ahhh...

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sphery:

interesting

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iamlindoro:

AFAIK their plan is to steam the basic cable channels at full bitrate at all times, however

[16:51:58]

iamlindoro:

any only the expanded stuff via SDV

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iamlindoro:

er and only

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sphery:

I was just curious... It's not really a big deal since the number of users on each node is small (i.e. possible even they may never hit the limit), but wondered, anyway.

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iamlindoro:

yeah... Someone at linuxTV is going to need to reverse engineer the USB control of the SDV boxes right quick, though :)

[16:54:43]

iamlindoro:

Hopefully it's simpleish

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iamlindoro:

Well, actually, on further consideration, I guess it really doesn't matter that much, as most of the clear QAM stuff will be in the basic tier anyway

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jams:

sphery- it would be nice in myth, but I'm having trouble seeing how it could fully be implmented. Myth as an application shouldn't be making changes system configuration files.

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sphery:

I know that many are using, for example, Cisco boxes for the SDV boxes, but I'm guessing the specific cable-co protocols differ, right? I.e. you'd still need the SDV box, but you'd be able to have your Myth box control it directly rather than through some IR (or other) control mechanism?

[16:55:57]

sphery:

jams: that is true... I don't want my mythtv user writing to /etc...

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Well, if all the Clear QAM channels are left non-switched, then it won't be necessary

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sphery:

guess that's true :)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: would only really be needed by folks who get Clear QAM that's outside the basic tier

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jams:

maybe if it setup the user stuff and said "this is the lircd.conf file to use" copy it to X

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sphery:

that could work...

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sphery:

For a user, it would be easier than tracking down the HOWTO

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jams:

http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/distribution/mythbuntu/mcc.html

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jams:

screenshots of mcc, oddly enough it doesn't have one of remote setup but you get the idea

[16:59:00]

sphery:

hmmm... I like your themed one better from the integration perspective

[16:59:25]

jams:

mythdora has something similiar, but webbased

[16:59:43]

jams:

last month was the first time I has seen mcc.

[17:00:17]

sphery:

cool

[17:00:38]

sphery:

Getting that kind of thing into Myth proper would be hard because of all the potential configurations different distros use...

[17:00:46]

jams:

yep

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jams:

don't think I hadn't given it some thought =)

[17:01:03]

sphery:

i.e. some may use /etc/lircd.conf and others may have /etc/lirc(d)/lircd.conf and ...

[17:01:33]

sphery:

and the whole *buntu can do gtksudo (or whatever that is), but it may not be installed/configured/working on other systems...

[17:01:39]

iamlindoro:

The capture card auto-configure is probably a more pressing concern

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iamlindoro:

don't you have something for that also, jams?

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jams:

sphery- it's one reason I took the route of gui only does presention, and then calls a shell script for configuration

[17:03:15]

jams:

iamlindoro- yes it presents a list of detected cards, then allows you to autoadd the selected cards

[17:03:34]

iamlindoro:

Nice stuff-- Integrated with mythtv-setup, or seperate? When will the patch be done? ;)

[17:03:56]

jams:

it's a seperate process, using a mix of c++ and python

[17:04:48]

jams:

it create udev rules, which might be appropriate for mythtv-setup to create, but not 100% sure of that.

[17:05:18]

iamlindoro:

Any thoughts of submitting for myth proper? Sounds like sexy stuff

[17:06:34]

jams:

Sure i have not problem with that. Just need to make room in trac for it.

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jams:

Trac is pretty full these days

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iamlindoro:

Heh, yeah

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iamlindoro:

wonder how hard it would be to integrate your stuff into mythtv-setup

[17:09:40]

jams:

i don't anticipate it being a whole lot of work. Coding it in a way that danielk likes may be a another story.

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iamlindoro:

Even having a start might get the ball rolling, so that might be good

[17:11:36]

sphery:

the hard part is probably the mythui conversion in progress...

[17:11:48]

jams:

yeah that to

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jams:

isn't mythtv-setup currently broken?

[17:12:00]

sphery:

IIRC, some parts of mythtv-setup have been worked on (but not committed)

[17:12:05]

iamlindoro:

Worked last time I tried, but that was a week or two ago

[17:12:10]

sphery:

that's what danielk was saying in #mytht

[17:12:25]

iamlindoro:

MythUI conversion might be the *ideal* time to add such a thing, as it's torn apart anyway

[17:12:43]

iamlindoro:

Like, "Doc, while you're in there, how about a little lipo?"

[17:12:48]

sphery:

but that would presume the new stuff is mythui'ed, right?

[17:12:50]

TTxT:

please, anyone has got this error when trying to compile a plugin using #include <mythtv/libmythui/mythuibutton.h>? http://pastebin.ca/1390754

[17:13:14]

TTxT:

or this kind of error

[17:13:21]

sphery:

though if you can convince one of the (overworked) mythui-converters to do it for you... :)

[17:13:46]

sphery:

TTxT: did you /install/ mythtv /before/ compiling mythplugins

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iamlindoro:

TTxT: The Wiki's hello plugin example is for Qy3... Myth is now based on Qt4, it no longer applies

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jams:

nice. I will do, but just need an example of what todo.

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iamlindoro:

er Qt3

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TTxT:

sphery: I using mythtv from ubuntu repo

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iamlindoro:

And that is, of course, if you try to compile against trunk-- the mythhello example will work with .21, of course

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TTxT:

iamlindoro: using mythtv 0.21

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iamlindoro:

I would guess they have the headers in a lib or dev package for myth

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** sphery doesn't know whether such a thing as "mythtv-dev" packages exist **

[17:15:18]

TTxT:

hmm

[17:15:24]

TTxT:

not sure at all

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sphery:

but fast-typing iamlindoro mentioned them before I wondered aloud

[17:15:37]

iamlindoro:

No point in writing Qt3 plugins anyway

[17:15:58]

iamlindoro:

As presumably you want your new plugin to work longer than a couple months

[17:16:25]

TTxT:

iamlindoro: its just for my final work at college

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sphery:

so with all the people doing mythtv things for their final project at college, how come we never see more great new features from these projects?

[17:18:00]

iamlindoro:

If he doesn't care enough for them to work past a few months from now, that's a pretty good indication :)

[17:18:06]

TTxT:

dont know... how many people say its for their final project at college at all?

[17:18:36]

iamlindoro:

more than one

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TTxT:

sorry to hear that

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sphery:

I don't know... I've heard a lot (ten or so) of people mentioning doing myth-related projects here and/or on the -users/-dev lists

[17:19:09]

sphery:

so do you mind if I ask what your project is?

[17:19:24]

kormoc:

Sorry to hear that?

[17:19:28]

TTxT:

i do want to create a plugin that works with 0.22

[17:19:44]

sphery:

if so, you can't do a Qt3/0.21-fixes plugin

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kormoc:

You could always port mythhello to 0.22 and call that good if that's your only target

[17:19:54]

sphery:

however, you'd have to run trunk

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sphery:

or, you can do a 0.21-fixes plugin and--when 0.22 is out--convert it to Qt4/mythui for 0.22

[17:20:22]

TTxT:

no, its a plugin to listen to fm radio...

[17:20:41]

sphery:

actually that would be a /very/ good thing to have in 0.22 (lots of people want it)

[17:20:50]

sphery:

however, if you want it included, it shouldn't be a plugin

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thedarkone:

someone should make ondemand plugin lol

[17:21:28]

sphery:

it should be a feature in MythTV that allows use of the scheduler--i.e. the scheduler needs to know when a tuner is unavailable because it's being used for radio

[17:21:38]

iamlindoro:

Someone should make me a pony

[17:21:53]

sphery:

and--in the event that some one comes up with a way of getting listings for FM Radio--it would allow them to timeshift radio, too

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thedarkone:

i am lindoro can u pick it up lol

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sphery:

Around here, though, for FM radio, the listings are, "Announcers talk to much, play 5 minutes of music, and run commercials" for each hour

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sphery:

too

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sphery:

TTxT: though, even if you did come up with a plugin that does FM Radio--assuming you notify the scheduler that you're stealing a tuner--it would make a lot of people happy (even though it probably wouldn't make it into "upstream" MythTV/MythTV proper)

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jams:

it's amazing how many people want to use the fm tuner with myth. It's something I have never really considered.

[17:27:40]

TTxT:

here in Brazil, there arent things like:" Announcers talk to much, play 5 minutes of music, and run commercials" for each hour"

[17:27:41]

jams:

but be for all those npr junkies out there

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iamlindoro:

I hear all the real sexy beasts woork on MythVideo

[17:27:54]

iamlindoro:

work

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jams:

hah

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sphery:

TTxT: yeah, FM radio is good in many places, just no so much here in the US

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sphery:

(in my opinion)

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TTxT:

Ive tryied to convert mythhello to 0.22

[17:28:57]

sphery:

but we have a lot of people in other areas who often request FM radio support in Myth

[17:29:04]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, yeah, all the sexy beasts and their crones ;)

[17:29:41]

sphery:

I heard that a /lot/ of sexy beasts would be willing to work on MythWeb if it were rewritten in Python

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Way to bite the hand that lets you look at scantily clad Kaylee in MythVideo

[17:30:08]

** kormoc laughs and hangs his head in shame **

[17:30:15]

** kormoc works on the python port of mythweb **

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iamlindoro:

If we keep joking about that it's going to show up on mythtvnews

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TTxT:

sphery: 0.21+fixes18722

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jams:

kormoc- so when you going to add ip to zip abilites to the geolocation thing of yours

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TTxT:

so its possible to port it to 0.22, isnt it?

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kormoc:

jams, I actually have the data, so it wouldn't be too hard to, I'll let ya know :)

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jams:

that would be awesome, then i can scrap the code I have yet to write that does that very thing.

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kormoc:

jams, what format do you like the data in? I've been pondering adding a xml layer, but wasn't sure if folks would use it

[17:32:28]

jams:

actually ip to relevant mythweather location would also be nice.

[17:32:40]

kormoc:

that should be easy too

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jams:

make it so!

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Vitani_:

hello all, "quick" question: I've got MythTV installed on my Xbox, but I can't get passed the "select your preferred language" screen, i.e. I don't know how to click on "Next" button (if there is even a Next button – I can't see one on my crappy CRT television!)

[17:33:32]

jams:

xml would be ok, or even straight txt that can be parsed.

[17:34:04]

jams:

not that xml isn't txt that can be parsed, but you get the idea.

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kormoc:

So I currently have JSON, plain text (php var_dump), and html. I figured json wouldn't be a horrible solution for most languages as if they do web interaction, they have a json parser

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jams:

that would be fine. To be honest I have not looked very closly at it, but it is bookmarked for future study.

[17:36:04]

jams:

using one of the free db's to get the info?

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kormoc:

Aye, a collection of the entirely free ones, a fair bit of the data I have is merged in from multiple sources

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TTxT:

so, should I recompile mythtv from source then?

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kormoc:

It's a fun little project, and I made a whole $0.52 off of ads on the html output!

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jams:

makes sense. During my searchs I found several sources of data but nothing that had everything in one spot.

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jams:

paid sources excluded

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kormoc:

Yeah

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kormoc:

Once I have all my data consistent, I'll likely provide a data-dump

[17:39:36]

kormoc:

Depends on how much bandwidth it'll require and all that jazz

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kormoc:

(If I toss up a 2 gb dump, got help my home connection if it got popular...)

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jams:

the plan was to attempt to autosetup mythweather,mythmovietimes based off ip.

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kormoc:

It wouldn't be hard at all to migrate my code to services.mythtv.org and have that

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jams:

it will fail for some, but others will love it

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jams:

would be a nice addition, but it's pretty low on the list of things towork on.

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** kormoc nods **

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jams:

how long has the service been running?

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kormoc:

ooh, I tossed it up a week ago perhaps?

[17:42:21]

kormoc:

the zipcode stuff

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jams:

oh $.52 in a week, not bad

[17:42:46]

kormoc:

I just managed to merge in the canadian zipcodes into my dev dataset correctly, so that would help out a fair bit when I migrate that live

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jams:

do did you have to change the table type to accept the canadian zipcodes?

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kormoc:

Aye

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jams:

thought so

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jams:

for work stuff when we starting accepting data from canada all of our programs had to change because of that.

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Vitani_:

hmm, I need to find out which button on the gamepad/remote is "return" I think ...

[17:51:19]

wagnerrp:

jams: i assume it would be set up to poll some website for its external IP?

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wagnerrp:

i would believe that nearly everyone using myth is also using NAT

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, it'd be a web service, so they'd go to something like service.domain.com/mylocation

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kormoc:

and it'd dump it out

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: Nice on [20366]... Now the "You're telling me to run mythjobqueue instead of a tunerless backend, but there's no init script for it," crowd may actually run mythjobqueue...

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wagnerrp:

sphery: because copying the mythbackend script and changing the executable name, is just too hard?

[18:18:56]

sphery:

wagnerrp: according to them on the list, yes, it is

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: BTW, I think [20366] fixes http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6249

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/365327#365327

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wagnerrp:

apparently --daemon is essential for any program to be run as a daemon

[18:24:41]

wagnerrp:

because init systems cannot background programs on their own

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sphery:

exactly

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sphery:

I found out for sure when I made basically that comment and he told me how wrong I was: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/365342#365342

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wagnerrp:

well i will admit that a simple ampersand is not sufficient to fully detach a program, its good enough in nearly all situations

[18:27:25]

wagnerrp:

especially when some other init program is running the script for you

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sphery:

yeah, but with a little scripting/shell knowledge, you can do a lot more than a simple ampersand

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sphery:

and, really, if you're concerned about having a "true" daemon, you can always use other software, like daemonize

[18:32:40]

wagnerrp:

a daemon just means it runs detached from a terminal, and you can do that with a couple shell commands

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meshe_:

&

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wagnerrp:

ampersand just backgrounds it, not a full detach

[18:34:33]

meshe_:

true

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gbee:

seeking without a seektable is really broken :/

[18:35:14]

wagnerrp:

actually, can you control IO pipes from bash?

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clever:

wagnerrp: ive seen an irc client writen in bash, its alot more powerfull then you would expect

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meshe_:

> /dev/null 2>&1

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wagnerrp:

what about setsid

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meshe_:

er

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wagnerrp:

seems its an actual program

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meshe_:

yeah, that would work for redirecting all stderr and stdout, you can also redirect stdin with a named pipe

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clever:

meshe_: i would dump dev/null to stdin, and stdout/err to a log file

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meshe_:

i don't think you'd need it for myth though

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wagnerrp:

so something like 'setsid script.sh </dev/null >/dev/null 2>&1 &' should fully background a script

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clever:

< /dev/null > /var/log/mythjobqueue.log 2>&1

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wagnerrp:

maybe have the script internally recurse and background itself for good measure

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sphery:

wagnerrp: summary of full description of daemon (as defined in Unix Network Programming): http://www.clapper.org/software/daemonize/daemonize.1.html

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wagnerrp:

sphery: right, if you just background it, it will still be associated with the current terminal

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clever:

Change its working directory to the root filesystem, to ensure that it doesn’t tie up another filesystem and prevent it from being unmounted

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clever:

ive found several daemons that dont do that:P

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meshe_:

i run mythbackend on my dev box using & and it dies when you close the terminal

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sphery:

are you sure they didn't do that?

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clever:

meshe_: nohup will solve that

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sphery:

May just be that they changed their working directory but /also/ have service-specific filesystems in use...

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sphery:

i.e. like Myth (assuming Myth actually changes working dir--never looked/never cared)

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clever:

ls -l /proc/5530/cwd

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clever:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 mythtv mythtv 0 2009-04–13 15:41 /proc/5530/cwd -> /home/mythtv

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clever:

mythtv 5530 1.8 21.8 311136 48956 ? Sl Apr07 154:44 mythbackend -v most,nojobqueue,nocommflag,noschedule,database,noplayback,trace,nosocket -l media.be.log -p media.be.pid

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clever:

oops, nvm

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sphery:

like I said, I never looked at Myth...

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sphery:

but I don't know that I'd consider Myth a true daemon

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clever:

thats not using -d so it technicaly isnt a deamon mode

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sphery:

as it's a more a user process...

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clever:

i wrote a c++ daemon wrapper to restart it automaticaly

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clever:

yes its overkill, but i was bored

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sphery:

yeah, why use the one that someone else wrote already when you can reinvent the wheel

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clever:

i didnt have access to one somebody else wrote:P

[18:43:18]

clever:

and 'i was bored'

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sphery:

Oh, no google/Internet: http://www.clapper.org/software/daemonize/

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clever:

and 'i was bored'

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meshe_:

it's actually a good learning experience to write something that someone else has written

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sphery:

but, yeah, you can learn from doing it

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clever:

i wrote mine using fork() execve() and waitpid()

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sphery:

meshe_: I'll agree, it's a good learning experience--but once done, you delete yours and use the one that's been peer-reviewed/tested in various configs/etc. :)

[18:45:26]

meshe_:

heh

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sphery:

(or at least compare yours to the other see what you did wrong)

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meshe_:

imagine where the world would be if we always did that

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clever:

mine also handles the special logging parms i needed

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clever:

$HOSTNAME.be.log for the backend

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sphery:

well, if you're planning to fork, then go for it, but if not, why use 2nd-class software when better is available under a nice license

[18:46:31]

clever:

but i could do that with a simple edit to an existing shellscript

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meshe_:

yeah, if there's a version under a nice licence then improving that version would be the better bet

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clever:

ive also wrote a whole set of scripts arround rc.local to load every i need on bootup

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clever:

based on the config for the hostname

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clever:

so i have diff systems all running 1 script

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clever:

the master backend has to start mysql early on, but the others must never run mysql

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meshe:

i was learning how sysinitv works and wrote a startup script in both bash and perl

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clever:

some systems dont start mythwelcome in X

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gbee:

hmm, no seektables with storage groups

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sphery:

in MythVideo?

[18:54:26]

gbee:

yeah, created a seektable for the video but it's not being used

[18:54:43]

gbee:

tried seeking without one and very bad things happen

[18:54:44]

sphery:

I know in -fixes, MythVideo stores the file path in the recordedseek for MythVideo...

[18:54:53]

sphery:

maybe that wasn't adapted after the SG code

[18:54:55]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Did you see the updated patch, by the way?

[18:55:07]

gbee:

let it set a bookmark without a seektable and even worse things happen the next time you try to play it

[18:55:13]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Can now do Image Only downloads, and download by title/subtitle

[18:55:21]

gbee:

iamlindoro: oh yeah :)

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gbee:

sphery: filemarkup

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iamlindoro:

Should help you out and keep you from having to hunt down which episode is which

[18:56:20]

iamlindoro:

It does assume that your title and subtitle match those at TVDB, of course

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gbee:

and yes in -fixes, or without storage groups you need to use the full path to the video, when that failed with the storage group code I tried a relative path but that didn't work either

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sphery:

gbee: right... forgot the table name

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gbee:

iamlindoro: fantastic

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iamlindoro:

I used Airwolf as my test case

[19:00:32]

iamlindoro:

I have no idea why Airwolf was the first show that popped into my head

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iamlindoro:

gbee: But should also help you preserve your listings info and still get fanart/etc.

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jams:

iamlindoro- should have used Blue Thunder

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iamlindoro:

Had to be TV :)

[19:04:02]

jams:

it was

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jams:

short lived

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jams:

http://www.gregdonner.org/blue_thunder/bt_tvseries.html

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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iamlindoro:

nice

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gbee:

heh

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jams:

airwolf might have been the better show but blue thunder was the better helicopter.

[19:08:43]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Not that Title/Subtitle search will do a full metadata grab... so currently there's no way to do Images Only by Title/Subtitle... wouldn't be hard to add, but I started to feel like I was adding "Download Metadata (Images Only)", "Download Metadata (It's Tuesday!)", "Download Metadata (Director's Cut!)"

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gbee:

plots are fantastic, as silly as you'd expect from an 80s series

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gbee:

iamlindoro: yeah, maybe needs a different approach, e.g. checking that fields are empty before populating them which would then apply to all search types

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iamlindoro:

gbee: The part I struggle with is determining which grabber to use, aside from relying on a Season and Episode value

[19:11:26]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Directory preferences are the best approach IMO, ie "This folder and all subfolders are TV"

[19:11:45]

sphery:

gbee: I like that approach--if user wants to overwrite, they can to a metadata reset

[19:11:59]

LanUser:

Hi – MythMusic blanks the screen when I exit and stop playing music. The last relavent message is "DPMS Reactivated." I only have the issue when I use themepainter=opengl, mythfrontend is still functioning behind the blank screen but it never unblanks. I've tried all the options to disable dpms and blanking. Any ideas?

[19:12:04]

JEDIDIAH__:

the end user can always script their own metadata stuff... easiest stuff to do wrt myth

[19:12:46]

JEDIDIAH__:

my own scripts have some awareness of what directories are for movies and which are for TV

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gbee:

iamlindoro: directory metadata is a must have IMHO

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iamlindoro:

gbee: agreed

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JEDIDIAH__:

directory metadata seems a requirements for certain types of themes.

[19:13:52]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Had held out hope that whassisname was going to do it, who mentioned it a while back, but I may have to do so myself

[19:13:59]

iamlindoro:

yfayka

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gbee:

sphery: yeah, that was my thought, if you want to populate the description etc with a newer value you can do a reset first. For most people I'd imagine that only populating the empty fields would be the best behaviour

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JEDIDIAH__:

d*am phone spam!

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sphery:

LanUser: "DPMS Reactivated" happens when Myth calls DPMSEnable(), which simply says, "X, go back to your currently saved timeout values," which means you probably need to fix your X config

[19:15:29]

JEDIDIAH__:

yes... a good idea to only overwrite blank fields or fields with some known bogus default value (like 1890 for the copyright date)

[19:15:33]

sphery:

I.e. Myth /never/ blanks the screen--it only ever tells X to stop blanking it or to feel free to blank it when it feels the time is right

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LanUser:

That makes sens since I also see "DPMS Reactivated" when using the QT themepainter and it works then, I'm still at a loss. This happens with all the nVidia drivers I try, maybe it's an opengl issue in my system?

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jams:

sphery- what about when pressing the 5 key with mythmusic, does that use dpms?

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LanUser:

Interesting, the 5 key does blank the screen but even with opengl I can hit 5 and it returns to mythmusic

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sphery:

jams: don't know what 5 does, but I'm pretty sure it's not dpms...

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sphery:

so I guess there may be a place where MythMusic blanks the screen

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jams:

LanUser- i really don't think its relevant to the problem your having. Only asked because what sphery said is true, but then I remembered that one place where it does in fact blank the screen.

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jams:

figured sphery was already digging through code, so it seemed like a good time to ask.

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sphery:

LanUser: now I'm guessing that your X/OpenGL config isn't quite right (but I don't know what would be wrong with it)

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sphery:

probably completely unrelated to DPMS, though

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LanUser:

sphery – ok thnaks, might be time for a complete OS rebuild anywho...

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sphery:

I know the feeling... That's something I'm currently working on

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jams:

iamlindoro- http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/16559

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iamlindoro:

jams: Good stuff, thanks

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jams:

it's close to what you want, just in the wrong plugin

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iamlindoro:

jams: Not terribly complicated either, will look at that when/if I get to the directory preferences bit

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iamlindoro:

easily adapted for MV

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jams:

lets hope

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iamlindoro:

From a cursory look it seems so

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iamlindoro:

Would be nice to get the initial patch in so that I can start working on the improvements-- patch is already getting monolithic enough as it is

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: FYI. The enhanced ttvdb -N option has been updated on the commit ticket.

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Hey man... ;-) I picked up one of those Sky+ remotes with the full qwerty keyboard inside – pretty neat actually, each key has a discreet code, even upper/lower and symbols.

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gbee:

doh, copied over an entire 7 part series before realising that I hadn't edited out the adverts yet

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aliby:

lol

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Nockian:

can anyone recommend a make/model for a mceusb2 remote control and IR receiver that works 'out of the box' with mythtv (or requires minimal mapping/tweaking)?

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kormoc:

the mceusb2 remote is a make/model, it's a microsoft mce remote

[21:00:13]

sid3windr:

MythWeb: Mon Apr 13, 2009, 10:59 PM

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sid3windr:

Encoder 13 is local on nalia and is recording: 'Het hotel: Westende' on VT4. This recording will end at 10:55 PM.

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sid3windr:

I guess there it shows when the show ends, without the added time I configured? :]

[21:05:53]

gbee:

heh, lossless transcode on a 2.4Gb recording with no cutlist removed 800Mb of data/subtitle streams and this isn't even a channel which has a big MHEG service

[21:07:15]

gbee:

removing 20+ minutes of ads only knocked off 400Mb

[21:07:23]

iamlindoro:

gbee, Hoping that now that you've worked with the export and season/episode stuff it's feeling more natural?

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gbee:

iamlindoro: yeah, not using it right now though, mainly because half these recordings are coming from my production machine ;)

[21:08:19]

iamlindoro:

cool

[21:09:14]

iamlindoro:

Any experience with the latest stuff on the season/episode patch? (image download, search by title/sub)

[21:10:10]

gbee:

not yet, haven't had a moment to apply that patch yet

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iamlindoro:

Should have an update tonight to allow selective updating of metadata

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iamlindoro:

which will only update those fields which are the default

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iamlindoro:

or empty

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gbee:

cat's getting into the bad habit of jumping into my chair and curling up the moment I leave the room

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Nockian:

kormoc: i was thinking more along the lines of make/model as in what you can buy online. there are a lot of 'cheap knockoffs' that say they're compatible with MCE, but am i better off buying a Dell model that has the Microsoft logo, etc.

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gbee:

iamlindoro: one thing I might suggest is to popup a confirmation dialog when the export is complete saying "export finished" otherwise it's not clear that anything has happened

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Nockian:

like the Pinnacle Remote Kit you can get on tigerdirect.com for $30... it says that it's 'Vista Certified' and for MCE... but will it work with mceusb2 in linux/mythtv

[21:23:29]

iamlindoro:

gbee, yeah, already done locally-- good point though, and thanks

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gbee:

likewise popup error dialogs if it fails

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iamlindoro:

yeah, done

[21:24:03]

gbee:

cool

[21:25:29]

gbee:

and maybe pay me a commission for each idea

[21:25:45]

iamlindoro:

Sure, just make sure to pay me 2x for implementing each

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gbee:

:p

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iamlindoro:

Besides, when's the last time you had features personally implemented for you?

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** iamlindoro pouts **

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ugliefrog:

anyone awake here

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iamlindoro:

Back to testing with Airwolf!

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gbee:

damn you iamlindoro, now I can't get the theme tune out of my head

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jarle:

is there a way of deleting all recordings of a show, besides doing some scripting yourself?

[21:43:21]

iamlindoro:

gbee, http://www.fecitfacta.com/airwolf.png

[21:43:35]

iamlindoro:

Na na NANANANAA NANANANAA NA NA NAA NA NA NAA

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Now which stuff is generated by me, and which by the grabber? ;)

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iamlindoro:

So yeah, the selective grabbing works :)

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro: if you dont want more lost spoilers, then dont check out the "featured character" list for season5 on this wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lost_episodes

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** mkrufky so excited about this one **

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gbee:

;)

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky, heh

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mkrufky:

footnote 110

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mkrufky:

awesome!

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Even got stuck on a hourlong drive a while ago and thought out a good way to do directory preferences

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky, sweet

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mkrufky:

yeah i just followed the source link and found a REAL spoiler ... im closing the browser now

[21:49:45]

iamlindoro:

No Lost talk on non-lost days!

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iamlindoro:

now I have to wait two days

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iamlindoro:

grrrr

[21:50:27]

mkrufky:

oh, is that a new rule?

[21:50:31]

iamlindoro:

It is now ;)

[21:50:41]

mkrufky:

im fine with that, actually

[21:50:58]

mkrufky:

i watched heroes last night for the 2nd time and it didnt suck so bad

[21:51:07]

iamlindoro:

Heroes always sucks so bad

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mkrufky:

tonight should be interesting...... the secrets from the ancient past that we though up three weeks ago but sssssh!! nobody will no we made it up on the spot

[21:52:08]

gbee:

damn, why didn't I think of that? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . ilable.patch

[21:52:16]

iamlindoro:

Giving Heroes writers the benefit of believing they can plan three weeks ahead is generous

[21:52:28]

mkrufky:

lol

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iamlindoro:

gbee, heh

[21:52:55]

gbee:

problem really bugs me and I've considered various solutions, but missed that elegant one-liner

[21:53:18]

iamlindoro:

I'm seldom hit my that one, but it's bothersome

[21:53:21]

iamlindoro:

hit by

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gbee:

makes me feel pretty stupid actually

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sphery:

gbee: isn't that ticket another dup of #4536 ( http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4536#comment:6 , specifically, explains why that one's open)

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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iamlindoro:

I think I *may* pay you for finally making me do the selective metadata insert thing

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iamlindoro:

Now I can loop back through and get all those TV directors and user ratings

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gbee:

not a duplicate strictly, it fixes an issue introduced by that commit

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gbee:

and the fix in the latest ticket is correct IMHO

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gbee:

unless anyone can say otherwise

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ugliefrog:

can someone plese help me with setup

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iamlindoro:

ugliefrog, You are going to need to ask specific, concise questions, you're not going to find anyone willing to walk you through the whole process

[22:09:55]

iamlindoro:

ask questions, and if someone can and wants to answer, they will

[22:10:16]

iamlindoro:

But you will bat .000 if you just ask for volunteers or handholding

[22:10:20]

sphery:

Why would anyone want to use a touch screen as a remote for watching TV? (Ref Android G1 gmote thread/Apple iTouch and iPhone remote programs/OpenMoko ReMoko) Do people really want to look at their remotes instead of their TV's or are their fingers just more sensitive than mine, and able to tell by the temperature of the air above the screen what colors/buttons are where?

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ugliefrog:

brutal group

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Dagmar:

It's the fetishism

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Not to mention the tactile feel of a remote being much easier in the dark

[22:11:08]

sphery:

yeah

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jams:

your not crazy. At one point I had a touch screen remote hated it.

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Dagmar:

Or maybe they watch a lot of porno and need something waterproof or with controls that can't become fouled by liquids

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jams:

the backlight was annoying during movies, and having to constanstly look down to even adjust the volume

[22:11:39]

iamlindoro:

ugliefrog, Sorry? What was brutal about what I said? we don't do handholding, this channel is a last resort after reading the manual and howto, and you should keep it concise to have a hope of getting a response

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gbee:

having to look at the remote each time to find the buttons ...

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** iamlindoro reminds himselfnot to help people talking to themselves any more **

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sphery:

he's someone too--maybe he's helping himself?

[22:12:27]

Dagmar:

Personally, I'm sticking with a membrane keypad

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sphery:

Great for Osmosis control, too

[22:13:05]

ugliefrog:

iamlindoro: not a problem with what you said. Ill figure it out

[22:13:25]

iamlindoro:

gbee, The selective metadata insert will allow you to do the Title/Subtitle search now and just fill in the missing data :)

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** iamlindoro is proud of iamlindoro **

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gbee:

yay

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gbee:

nice work

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iamlindoro:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

I think I will hold off on working on the directory prefs until this is in, though, I can't keep it all straight

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ugliefrog:

i cant connect to the database..ihave yet to get past this part...I uninstalled and reinstalled but the old settings are there...So Im stuck

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meshe:

i end up using my iphone remote to control music in mythmusic when i'm outside, also when i lose myth's remote, i swear the dog or my husband are hiding it

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meshe:

ugliefrog: what distro are you running? can you connect to the database from a command line? mysql mythconverg -u mythtv -pmythtv

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Dagmar:

ugliefrog: Thankfully, if thing get to that point, it's very easy to nuke and reset the database

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ugliefrog:

meshe: Im using ubuntu 8.10, Im tried to reinstall mythtv but the old settings are there, trying to figure out how to get a fresh start with it. then i could probably ask for help better

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meshe:

ugliefrog: can you connect to the database from a command line? mysql mythconverg -u mythtv -pmythtv

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ugliefrog:

meshe: ill try that now

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ugliefrog:

meshe: No i cant I get error

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shambat:

can mythTV stream and transcode video across a home netowork? Looking for a Tversity-like solution for a Linux server

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iamlindoro:

Myth can stream across a home network, but does no transcoding on the fly

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shambat:

any suggestions for alternatives?

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meshe:

ugliefrog: sorry, i can't quite see what the error is from here

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ugliefrog:

meshe: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)

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meshe:

ugliefrog: sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start

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ugliefrog:

meshe: ok

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ugliefrog:

meshe: this is what I got * Starting MySQL database server mysqld [ OK ] * Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables.

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: You sure about that? I could have sworn it was transcoding for the flv player

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Dagmar:

It just doesn't bother beyond that

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meshe:

ugliefrog: looks good, now try myth

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iamlindoro:

Mythweb just spawns ffmpeg for the flash player

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ugliefrog:

meshe: on database configuration page at the bottom it asks for a password, the box is currently blank. where do i find it

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sveinung:

Has anyone started to work on libspotify integration?

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meshe:

mythtv is the default password for myth installations

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iamlindoro:

sveinung, Not aware of anyone having done so or planning to

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ugliefrog:

lol no way ..ok ill try that

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meshe:

database: mythconverg username: mythtv password: mythtv

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Dagmar:

ugliefrog: This would be why it's good that MySQL only listens to a local unix socket by default

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Dagmar:

So long as you *don't* enable networking for MySQL it doesn't much matter if there's a crappy password--someone has to at least already be able to login to the machine to get at the database

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meshe:

iirc, mythbuntu used to randomly generate a password, but that was a bit of a pain

[22:45:06]

ugliefrog:

ok that didnt work is there a rest for it. I bet i messed it up here along the way

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meshe:

pull up a terminal and try: mysql mythconverg -u mythtv -pmythtv and give us the error message

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ugliefrog:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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meshe:

ok, in the same terminal do: mysql -u root

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meshe:

then in the mysql client do: show databases;

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meshe:

is there a database called mythconverg in there?

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ugliefrog:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

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ugliefrog:

yes there is a database called mythconverg

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Dagmar:

Ubuntu sets a random password on the mysql root user by defaulot IIRC

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meshe:

Dagmar: no, it doesn't

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Dagmar:

Now if they'd just put it into /root/.my.cnf it would be nice

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ugliefrog:

Dagmar: is there a way to recover that one

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Dagmar:

meshe: It's based on Debians which idd that last I checked

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ugliefrog:

nevermind

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meshe:

Dagmar: out of all of the 8.04/8.10 installs i've done recently back to 6.x versions haven't, but yes, debian did

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meshe:

did/does

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meshe:

ugliefrog: did you find the password for mysql?

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ugliefrog:

Meshe: No Im still trying to find it

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Dagmar:

ugliefrog: Just on a lark, look for /etc/mysql/ubuntu.cnf or debian.cnf

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ugliefrog:

ok

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meshe:

/etc/mysql/debian.cnf

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meshe:

it has a username and password for maintenance

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meshe:

Dagmar: you're faster than me

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Dagmar:

Well, I'm also used to Googling things like this because I've got my own entire MySQL package

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Dagmar:

...so I look for stuff like http://www.ubuntugeek.com/reset-the-root-password-on-mysql.html

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ugliefrog:

it has a red x above it

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meshe:

gksudo gedit /etc/mysql/debian.cnf

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meshe:

at least it's only readable by root

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ugliefrog:

omg thats a weird pw

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Dagmar:

It's random

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Dagmar:

I usually just stick the root user/pass in /root/.my.cnf to save me worrying about it

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ugliefrog:

ok ill try and enter that

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Dagmar:

ugliefrog: Unless I've completely misread this, that won't be the root mysql user's password

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meshe:

Dagmar: iirc, ubuntu asks you for a root password for mysql when you install it, i always leave it blank

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ugliefrog:

Dagamr: Lol and I was excited

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Dagmar:

However, if you hit that URL I pasted hopefully the command they show will let you reset the root mysql user to something

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Dagmar:

meshe: Ready to suggest just using MythBuntu to him yet? ;)

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meshe:

Dagmar: heh, if he reset's the root password i'll supply the grant command to get the mythtv user created

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ugliefrog:

Sorry give me a sec Im printing my Tax returns to mail off and reading the link

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Dagmar:

I figured just feeding mysql the mc.sql file did that bit

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Dagmar:

Printinghttp://www.ubuntugeek.com/reset-the-r . . . -mysql.html?

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Dagmar:

er Printing?

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kormoc:

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/42916587.html

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Dagmar:

I just file online.

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meshe:

Dagmar: yeah, that would work

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Dagmar:

kormoc: THey just need some circus peanuts, spring-loaded fishing poles, and a tree chipper

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meshe:

ewww: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-make-ubuntu-l . . . s-vista.html

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, holy hell

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ugliefrog:

well that didnt work either

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kormoc:

the "Rodenator Pro" website has a video as well

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meshe:

i don't think i'm going to that website

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meshe:

ugliefrog: mysql -u debian-sys-maint -pPutPasswordFromdebian.cnfHere

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, I love that asploding them is the humane way

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Dagmar:

Maybe they could fill some acorns with ANTI

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Dagmar:

...although I suspect beheaded squirrels would be a bit much for the random parkgoer to stomach

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meshe:

ugliefrog: no space between the -p and the password

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kormoc:

I honestly had no idea that squirrels lived underground

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Dagmar:

Their burrows after often underground

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Dagmar:

s/after/are/;

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Dagmar:

Guild leader's wife came from AU to US to visit guild leader's parents... They apparently don't have squirrels and chipmunks there.

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Dagmar:

SHe was pretty keen on them until she learned that most of the "domesticated" ones around coffee houses and college campuses are pretty quick to drop things on people

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ugliefrog:

Sorry guys...ill tell u progress in a minute having difficulties with taxes

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Shadow_x:

no no its ok guys because "The parks department says the Rodenator is a humane way to kill the squirrels."

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Dagmar:

It's quite inoffensive to humans, since all the exploded squirrels will be underground

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Shadow_x:

yup

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meshe:

Super Squirrel to the rescue: http://api.ning.com/files/-l4deLu9e7*bft3w0fd . . . squirrel.jpg

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Dagmar:

I still think ANTI would work better.

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wagnerrp:

ANTI?

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Dagmar:

The same stuff what's in those Snap'n'pops they sell to the kiddies around the 4th of July

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Dagmar:

Ammonium nitrogen trioxide iodide or smoething like that

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Dagmar:

Basically, mix strong ammonia and iodine crystals into a thick paste.

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Dagmar:

Do NOT allow to dry while you're mucking with it

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Dagmar:

Shape it into little balls smaller than a marble and just leave it places rodents go

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Dagmar:

Roudent touches it... BANG!

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Dagmar:

I'm told the navy used to use it to deal with rats.

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Dagmar:

...but it explodes harder than TNT with very little heat

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thedarkone:

anyone here

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thedarkone:

i saved all my database tables one by one

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thedarkone:

now i restalled myth

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thedarkone:

now i can't get recording to show

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thedarkone:

they are there in database

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thedarkone:

just not in frontend

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** iamlindoro has a reply written to JYA about his stupid fork... not sure about sending it. **

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wagnerrp:

i just sent what i believe to be a logical reason against supporting his fork

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Heh, at the exact moment I sent my own reply

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iamlindoro:

I know this will result in a poopstorm of JYA rudeness

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iamlindoro:

*sigh*

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wagnerrp:

i wasnt rude about it, i just pointed out that people using his builds have to get help from people with experience using his builds

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iamlindoro:

Oh I know

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wagnerrp:

just like people in here with problems with mythbuntu get pointed straight to mythbuntu's forums and channels

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iamlindoro:

but he seldom responds to anyone saying anything he dislikes with anything but rudeness

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ugliefrog:

Dagmar: i think i need the live cd and load it using vmware...ubuntu is becoming hopeless for me

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meshe:

ugliefrog: http://www.mythbuntu.org

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meshe:

in my opinion, it's the easiest way to set up myth

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ugliefrog:

meshe: Main site not loading but im still able to d/l the iso

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ugliefrog:

meshe: its a complete distro dedicated to it right?

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