| Sunday, April 5th, 2009, 00:08 UTC | ||
| [00:08:02] | iamlindoro__: | gbee, Is there a widget that makes sense for assigning a user rating more than MythUISpinBox? |
| [00:08:42] | Winkie: | hello kormoc, i've probably talked a few times |
| [00:08:44] | iamlindoro__: | just brainstorming about redoing the Edit Metadata screen and while I'm at it making all the info editable |
| [00:08:49] | Winkie: | but i haven't implemented any mythtv stuff in a while |
| [00:09:12] | Winkie: | idling is fun |
| [00:10:07] | iamlindoro__: | Winkie, What's with the totally offensive domain? Sorta predisposes people one way or another about you. |
| [00:11:00] | Winkie: | iamlindoro__: haha, we have a slightly less offensive one but this is the default, it's sorta a prerequisite to have an interesting PTR on other networks |
| [00:11:01] | iamlindoro__: | ie you'd be kicked or banned for calling someone by that slur in this channel, so the domain falls under that too |
| [00:11:20] | Winkie: | i guess |
| [00:11:26] | Winkie: | it depends on the crowd you hang around with really |
| [00:11:47] | iamlindoro__: | This particular crowd is the kind that kick or bans for that :) |
| [00:12:15] | Winkie: | sure, but i can't obscure my hostname fully i don't think, to be honest nobody has mentioned it before |
| [00:13:13] | iamlindoro__: | http://pthree.org/2007/07/15/securing-your-co . . . on-freenode/ |
| [00:13:18] | iamlindoro__: | A cloak. |
| [00:13:28] | iamlindoro__: | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks |
| [00:15:03] | Winkie: | well that's good to know, i'll keep it in mind if it gets mentioned again, i guess i don't really disconnect or connect often enough to notice |
| [00:15:24] | Winkie: | i could probably set +x or whatever it is, but the last bit is the offensive bit i guess |
| [00:15:33] | iamlindoro__: | Yes. |
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| [00:15:54] | Winkie: | anyway don't take it the wrong way, it doesn't represent my attitude |
| [00:16:07] | iamlindoro__: | But now you can't say it hasn't been mentioned to you-- I won't speak for kormoc but it definitely offends me when I see it. |
| [00:16:22] | iamlindoro__: | seen it before, just made mention of it today |
| [00:17:12] | Winkie: | well i apologise, but words should not hurt you, i don't believe in what it might imply, and the people it is targeted at are aware of this |
| [00:17:22] | iamlindoro__: | So I personally would really appreciate it if you could mask it in whatever way you feel appropriate |
| [00:17:41] | iamlindoro__: | Winkie, When you log in to freenode and public channels with it, it's imposed on all of us |
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| [00:19:39] | Winkie: | iamlindoro__: 01:19.30 [freenode] -!- p 0 staff members |
| [00:19:45] | Winkie: | i will investigate this at a later date, it's quite late for me |
| [00:19:47] | Winkie: | Sun Apr 5 01:19:46 BST 2009 |
| [00:19:58] | iamlindoro__: | ok, thank you |
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| [00:29:05] | jams: | Why yes that is offensive. But considering the converstation it's worth giving the time to clear it up. |
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| [00:30:39] | ** jams waits for the oven to heat up. ** | |
| [00:30:52] | iamlindoro__: | I'd heat up the oven if there was food in the house |
| [00:31:07] | iamlindoro__: | and I wasn't too tired/lazy to trek the four blocks to the grocery store :) |
| [00:31:10] | jams: | the cooking time for the pizza is less then it will take for the oven to reach 400 |
| [00:32:33] | iamlindoro__: | jams, Finished my first batch of rip/transcodes (just 30), definitely fond of the changer :) |
| [00:33:05] | iamlindoro__: | Just came home from work/being out the last few days, renamed the output files, mv'ed them to Mythvideo, done. It's a great convenience |
| [00:35:49] | jams: | oh yeah it is. unloading really stinks, as does putting them back on the shelf but it's still worth it |
| [00:36:00] | jamesd: | jams its realy too bad that intel and amd don't make ovens.. they would all achive 350F in a matter of seconds.. |
| [00:38:16] | iamlindoro__: | jams, Yeah, for the 30 minutes unloading, countless hours are saved babysitting rips :) |
| [00:38:37] | jams: | Towards the end, I used two empty spindles to transfer the media from the changer to the shelf. |
| [00:38:59] | jams: | the cases stayed in order on the shelf, and I didn't have 200 cases cluttering up my desk. |
| [00:39:22] | iamlindoro__: | yeah, that's a good idea |
| [00:39:44] | jams: | yes only thought about it after the first 4 batchs were done. |
| [00:40:14] | iamlindoro__: | Heh... I've had the DVDs in the closet for two years or so, digging them out is no fun |
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| [00:41:03] | jams: | this process is also a good way to find out how many broken cases you have. |
| [00:42:05] | jams: | ovens almost ready, bbiab |
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| [01:06:02] | wagnerrp: | fantastic... the neighborhood kids are out on the street brandishing their assault rifles (bb guns) |
| [01:07:16] | kormoc: | Hey, as long as they're not shooting at things they shouldn't be, it's all good! |
| [01:07:29] | ** kormoc says that as one of those guys who loves airsoft ** | |
| [01:07:41] | wagnerrp: | i think as long as theyre not shooting (at all), its fine |
| [01:08:08] | wagnerrp: | i dont mind airsoft, i mind airsoft shooting on a street where there are no targets but cars |
| [01:08:09] | kormoc: | Meh, we used to shoot each other all the time, plastic bbs are ment for human contact |
| [01:08:24] | kormoc: | other people of course! |
| [01:08:31] | wagnerrp: | they already lopped off my sister's mirror playing football |
| [01:08:38] | kormoc: | youch |
| [01:09:05] | kormoc: | Our group of airsoft folks where the ones in the camo in the woods/fields/assulting houses |
| [01:09:40] | kormoc: | We did urban combat a few times, someone volenteered their house, had some folks on the inside and some folks assaulting in. That was *fun* |
| [01:09:41] | clever: | kormoc: i think i found your paintball brothers in my woods:P |
| [01:09:54] | clever: | there was half a door proped against a tree so you could use it for cover |
| [01:09:58] | kormoc: | Mmmm... I loved my p-90 and g-19 for that |
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| [01:10:25] | wagnerrp: | i never did airsoft, but i used to play paintball quite a bit |
| [01:10:50] | wagnerrp: | we even got the cops called on us once |
| [01:11:01] | kormoc: | I like paintball, but airsoft is just so much better imho. Less mess, could do it more places, etc |
| [01:11:10] | wagnerrp: | we were parked on some little parking lot, off to the side of a highway |
| [01:11:27] | wagnerrp: | and some nosey motorists saw us coming out of the woods in full gear |
| [01:11:50] | wagnerrp: | we were all packed up and ready to leave when the cops showed up |
| [01:12:12] | clever: | pull your guns back out? :P |
| [01:12:21] | wagnerrp: | oh that would be a clever move right there! |
| [01:12:56] | clever: | make shure you remove the orange tips so they look real! |
| [01:13:02] | wagnerrp: | we were playing in unincorporated county territory, on the back side of some land one of my friends owned |
| [01:13:27] | wagnerrp: | well... theres no mistaking paintball guns for something real |
| [01:13:40] | kormoc: | the airsoft stuff, that's trouble |
| [01:13:42] | wagnerrp: | what with the big hopper on top, and the tank out the back |
| [01:13:58] | clever: | wagnerrp: remove those 2 parts and it may look more convincing |
| [01:14:18] | kormoc: | My g-19 was a full replica (Licensed glock logos!), made from metal, and didn't have any orange on it |
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| [01:14:23] | wagnerrp: | you still have an odd hole in the top of your barrel, and hoses running everywhere |
| [01:14:24] | clever: | and it wont be long till a mad studend attaches a hopper&tank to a real gun to confuse the cops, so he can shot a couple more students |
| [01:14:36] | kormoc: | I actually couldn't tell my g-19 airsoft from my real glock 19 |
| [01:14:47] | kormoc: | without picking it up that is |
| [01:15:27] | wagnerrp: | clever: how about you just avoid any aiming of any weapon looking things at police |
| [01:15:46] | wagnerrp: | fake or not, its adverse to your well being |
| [01:15:53] | clever: | http://www.inventgeek.com/Projects/Airsoft_Tu . . . verview.aspx |
| [01:16:15] | kormoc: | http://www.wolfarmouries.co.uk/airsoft/bb/bin . . . MKSCG19M.jpg |
| [01:16:15] | wagnerrp: | is that an entry into one of those auto-turret competitions? |
| [01:16:17] | kormoc: | vs |
| [01:16:22] | kormoc: | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons . . . GLOCK_19.JPG |
| [01:16:29] | clever: | wagnerrp: that one was manual control |
| [01:17:17] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: whats that thumb switch forward of the trigger? |
| [01:17:30] | wagnerrp: | i cant imagine that tiny thing is the safety |
| [01:17:42] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, that's how you tear it down, you pull it down and the slide slides right off the back |
| [01:17:52] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [01:18:01] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, glocks don't have a traditional safety. The little nub on the trigger is the safety |
| [01:18:28] | kormoc: | the airsoft and the real thing both tore down the same too, it was uncany how real it was |
| [01:18:38] | clever: | kormoc: i think i can see a slight difference in the triggers, but they are fairly identical |
| [01:18:44] | kormoc: | With weapons like that, we actually called ahead to the police to let them know what was up |
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| [01:23:35] | iamlindoro__: | super, there's that again |
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| [01:33:18] | wagnerrp: | when i buy a 2GB flash drive, how large is it? |
| [01:33:32] | wagnerrp: | 2 billion bytes? or 2*2^30 bytes? |
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| [01:35:47] | kormoc: | mine is 2 billion |
| [01:36:14] | wagnerrp: | im just asking because i want to update the OS on my firewall |
| [01:36:35] | wagnerrp: | and im rather cramped on the current 512MB card, i want to buy a new one, and have the image ready to go when it comes in the mail |
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| [01:37:17] | pembo13: | i am in need of a assistance... |
| [01:37:24] | wagnerrp: | explain |
| [01:37:26] | pembo13: | mythbackend is semi randomly segfaulting on me |
| [01:37:35] | pembo13: | with no error messages that I can find |
| [01:37:46] | pembo13: | except for the segfault message in /var/log/messages |
| [01:37:56] | wagnerrp: | trunk? -fixes? custom build or one from a package? |
| [01:37:59] | pembo13: | example... |
| [01:38:06] | pembo13: | Apr 4 16:59:55 watson kernel: mythfilldatabas[8890]: segfault at 68666d37 ip 085fe38f sp 01b9a78c error 6 |
| [01:38:08] | pembo13: | Apr 4 17:00:43 watson kernel: mythbackend[2461]: segfault at 6 ip 0806b97a sp bf9b2620 error 4 in mythbackend[8048000+118000] |
| [01:38:18] | pembo13: | mythtv install from the RpmFussion repo |
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| [01:38:36] | pembo13: | if no better suggestion i may switch back to AtRPMs |
| [01:38:37] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, one of mine is 2,003,828,736 bytes, and the other is 2,021,654,016 |
| [01:38:56] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: well thats fantastic! ill be shooting at a moving target |
| [01:38:59] | pac1: | I seem to have broken my myth frontend. |
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| [01:39:08] | pac1: | process starts, but no window. |
| [01:39:23] | wagnerrp: | i guess i just build out a directory, and then make the image directly on the card |
| [01:39:36] | pembo13: | wagnerrp: from a package for FEdora 10 from the RPMFusion repositor |
| [01:39:58] | pac1: | what would you look for in this situation? |
| [01:40:00] | pembo13: | wagnerrp: from the stable repositors, no updates-testing or rawhide |
| [01:40:18] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, or just count on 2,000,000,000 exactly |
| [01:40:45] | wagnerrp: | pac1: run the frontend manually, watch the log output to the terminal |
| [01:40:49] | wagnerrp: | see what its doing... or not doing |
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| [01:41:27] | pac1: | Could not create /home/callahanp/.mythtv |
| [01:41:29] | wagnerrp: | pembo13: does that mean fixes? or trunk? |
| [01:41:43] | pembo13: | wagnerrp: i'm assuming with fixes, not trunk |
| [01:41:46] | pembo13: | just a sec.. |
| [01:41:49] | pac1: | mkdir? |
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| [01:41:54] | wagnerrp: | pac1: do you normally run mythtv as user 'callahanp' or user 'mythtv'? |
| [01:42:08] | pac1: | No space left on device |
| [01:42:11] | pac1: | uh oh. |
| [01:42:12] | wagnerrp: | oof |
| [01:42:12] | pembo13: | wagnerrp: specifically mythtv-backend-0.21–17 |
| [01:42:27] | pac1: | so may .mpgs so little space... |
| [01:42:44] | wagnerrp: | pac1: hopefully you have your database on a different partition? |
| [01:43:12] | pac1: | nope. |
| [01:43:23] | wagnerrp: | hopefully youve made a recent database backup? |
| [01:43:27] | pac1: | not smart enough yet. |
| [01:43:35] | pac1: | backup? |
| [01:43:37] | ** clever shakes his head ** | |
| [01:43:37] | wagnerrp: | because your database is pretty well buggered |
| [01:43:45] | pac1: | also not smart enough yet... |
| [01:44:04] | pac1: | ouch. |
| [01:44:24] | pac1: | ok so now I find out what filled up my partition. |
| [01:44:49] | wagnerrp: | mythtv *should* not have filled up your partition |
| [01:44:57] | wagnerrp: | its supposed to stop recording with a couple DB free |
| [01:45:03] | wagnerrp: | s/DB/GB/ |
| [01:45:15] | pac1: | I dont think it was myth. |
| [01:45:27] | clever: | wagnerrp: mine has never ever stoped when it got low |
| [01:45:28] | pac1: | something else. |
| [01:45:39] | clever: | it just runs itself right to the ground |
| [01:45:56] | clever: | but it usualy expires stuff before then to make room |
| [01:46:06] | wagnerrp: | well you have all sorts of other problems over there too |
| [01:46:26] | clever: | ive had that problem since before i was mucking arround with the code:P |
| [01:46:51] | clever: | and i havent tested it in ages either |
| [01:46:56] | clever: | may have been fixed |
| [01:47:40] | pac1: | 10 gig in var? |
| [01:48:07] | clever: | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| [01:48:09] | clever: | /dev/mapper/media-mythconverg |
| [01:48:10] | clever: | 2.0G 366M 1.6G 19% /media/mythconverg |
| [01:48:25] | clever: | 10g sounds like overkill to me |
| [01:48:52] | pac1: | oh my temp. |
| [01:48:58] | pac1: | transcoding too much |
| [01:52:32] | pac1: | frontend starts better with disk space on / |
| [01:53:10] | wagnerrp: | im surprised the frontend started at all |
| [01:53:16] | wagnerrp: | im surprised mysql is still running |
| [01:53:27] | pac1: | me too. |
| [01:53:32] | pac1: | irish luck. |
| [01:54:19] | pac1: | wagnerp, I"ve got this situation with mythfilldatabase. My start times are all off. |
| [01:55:31] | pac1: | I'm doing a refreshall to get to a known state. |
| [01:56:11] | pac1: | by the way, why do we get HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized |
| [01:56:17] | pac1: | from filldatabase |
| [01:56:46] | pembo13: | wagnerrp: i'll try installing another package and come back if that doesn't work |
| [01:57:27] | wagnerrp: | pembo13: usually segfaults are worthless without a backtrace to tell you specifically what code overflowed |
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| [01:58:06] | pembo13: | wagnerrp: so i need to install teh debug symbols and gdb, right? |
| [01:58:20] | wagnerrp: | you dont need GDB for a backtrace |
| [01:58:28] | wagnerrp: | its just a linker option (i believe) |
| [01:58:33] | pembo13: | wagnerrp: ok |
| [01:58:44] | pembo13: | will try that approach before swithcing repo |
| [01:58:44] | wagnerrp: | but if you recompile the code yourself, chances are youre going to fix whatever bug you had in the code in the first place |
| [01:58:58] | wagnerrp: | unless its a real bug, and not just one introduced in that repo |
| [01:58:59] | pembo13: | peace for now |
| [01:59:09] | pembo13: | wagnerrp: that would suck |
| [01:59:10] | pembo13: | we'll see |
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| [02:06:28] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, Holy cow, your TMDB guy has a really tragically broken perl install |
| [02:07:56] | iamlindoro__: | Well this is helpful |
| [02:08:13] | iamlindoro__: | someone has gone into the user manual and changed the deps to qt4 |
| [02:08:30] | iamlindoro__: | If by helpful you were thinking "opposite of helpful" |
| [02:09:31] | clever: | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| [02:09:34] | clever: | tmpfs 9.1T 0 9.1T 0% /var/tmp/portage |
| [02:09:44] | clever: | if only i had a drive that was actualy this big... |
| [02:09:47] | wagnerrp: | so how did you pull that fake off...? |
| [02:10:11] | clever: | wagnerrp: its not fake:P, mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /var/tmp/portage/ -o size=10000000000000 |
| [02:10:16] | iamlindoro__: | sed. He replaced "M" with "T" |
| [02:10:41] | clever: | iamlindoro__: its a tmpfs, it can be whatever size i want |
| [02:11:04] | iamlindoro__: | clever, I'd love it if you didn't try to inform me of things when I'm ridiculing you |
| [02:11:37] | jamesd: | of course some filesystems do that without issue.. just install 8 x 1.5TB drives in a raid5/z filesystem and its allready to use... |
| [02:12:12] | clever: | jamesd: id need a pair of 1->4 sata port multipliers, and 8 new drives... |
| [02:12:52] | jamesd: | bit at least its usuable storage that wont crash you box once you write 17GB of data to it |
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| [02:13:13] | clever: | this tmpfs wont even hold that much:P |
| [02:13:17] | clever: | 3gig maybe |
| [02:13:41] | jamesd: | i was giving you the benefit of the doubt.. my heart said.. 1.5GB |
| [02:13:49] | jamesd: | ;-) |
| [02:14:14] | clever: | SwapFree: 1526868 kB |
| [02:14:18] | clever: | good guess |
| [02:15:29] | jamesd: | pool used avail read write read write |
| [02:15:29] | jamesd: | ---------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- |
| [02:15:29] | jamesd: | tank 1.36T 467G 21 2 2.20M 101K |
| [02:15:40] | wagnerrp: | wouldnt the 32-bit processor (and 32-bit OS) limit you to 3GB as the absolute maximum? |
| [02:16:10] | clever: | its 4gig maximun addressable, 3gig to userspace |
| [02:16:11] | jamesd: | wagnerrp, i don't think so.. its 32bit per process.. not total allocation |
| [02:16:28] | clever: | and thats pre process as jamesd said |
| [02:16:28] | wagnerrp: | with the single process managing the single tempfs? |
| [02:16:46] | wagnerrp: | or would that be limited to the 1GB kernel space? |
| [02:17:47] | jamesd: | not an expert on 32 bit linux, but hopefully some tricks with pae (36bits) and memory+swap(disk space) would give you more. |
| [02:18:09] | clever: | wagnerrp: not shure how it manages the tmpfs |
| [02:18:24] | clever: | i had read the code some and it appeared to cheat by using the file cache |
| [02:18:31] | clever: | which doesnt explain how it manages to use swap |
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| [02:27:34] | jamesd: | i think you misunderstood how swap is allocated, the limit in tmpfs is the blocksize * 2^32 blocks.. and since it maps blocks to blocks of swap... its not limited to 32bits for tmpfs, only the amount in memory at once is limuited. since tmpfs really doesn't have to be mmapped iits not limited to 32bits |
| [02:32:36] | clever: | thats odd |
| [02:32:41] | clever: | i cant find the source for tmpfs |
| [02:33:45] | clever: | i think its enabled by CONFIG_TMPFS, so i'll grep the Makefile's for that |
| [02:34:53] | clever: | ahh its still going by the old name, shmem_acl.c |
| [02:35:04] | clever: | and shmem.c |
| [02:47:18] | pac1: | are there usually differences between a stations analog and digital schedule? |
| [02:49:52] | iamlindoro__: | No, not usually |
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| [03:05:12] | iamlindoro__: | Heh, some of the Dr. Who fanart is pretty kick ass |
| [03:05:33] | iamlindoro__: | Except for a bit of abuse of lens flare :) |
| [03:06:11] | wagnerrp: | everything needs moar lens flare |
| [03:06:49] | iamlindoro__: | heheh, so I thought too in 1997 or so |
| [03:06:58] | iamlindoro__: | favorite photoshop filter by far at that time :) |
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| [03:19:48] | PaulWay: | Well, back into trying to get my mythbackend to work again. |
| [03:20:06] | PaulWay: | I've blown away the settings table (after saving a copy) and starting again from scratch. |
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| [03:32:51] | mattwj2002: | help I broke my mythtv box |
| [03:33:21] | wagnerrp: | and...? |
| [03:33:27] | wagnerrp: | explain your symptoms |
| [03:33:57] | mattwj2002: | well I did a rm * in my /var/lib/mythtv/recordings |
| [03:34:22] | mattwj2002: | now I have all of this broken links in mythweb for the recordings |
| [03:34:30] | PaulWay: | Curse. I've just set up the master and slave backend again, and the slave has two TV cards set up correctly, but looking at the upcoming recordings it says "Recorder Off-Line". |
| [03:34:36] | PaulWay: | What causes this and how do I fix it? |
| [03:35:15] | mattwj2002: | I was having problems with my hard drive and this fixed it |
| [03:35:25] | mattwj2002: | is there anyway I can fix the database? |
| [03:35:35] | PaulWay: | "delete * from recorded;"? |
| [03:35:44] | PaulWay: | That'll get rid of all your recordings... |
| [03:35:58] | wagnerrp: | try the orphans script in contrib |
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| [03:36:11] | PaulWay: | That's probably a better solution :-) |
| [03:36:15] | iamlindoro__: | ugh, the solution to deleting files incorrectly is NOT deleting things manually from the DB incorrectly |
| [03:36:31] | PaulWay: | OK, sorry :-) |
| [03:36:42] | mattwj2002: | is there a way to have it check and see what files are there? |
| [03:36:54] | iamlindoro__: | wagnerrp has already told you how to solve this properly |
| [03:37:12] | mattwj2002: | orphans script ah? |
| [03:38:32] | mattwj2002: | is this the script? |
| [03:38:33] | mattwj2002: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth.rebuilddatabase.pl |
| [03:38:58] | iamlindoro__: | No |
| [03:39:07] | iamlindoro__: | myth.find_orphans.pl |
| [03:39:25] | mattwj2002: | how do I get it? |
| [03:39:26] | mattwj2002: | :S |
| [03:39:49] | PaulWay: | Any ideas about how to get my backend to recognise that it has tuners attached? |
| [03:39:52] | iamlindoro__: | it's in the source and most people's pacakges somewhere too |
| [03:40:23] | mattwj2002: | okay |
| [03:40:27] | mattwj2002: | I'll take a look |
| [03:40:30] | mattwj2002: | thanks you guys |
| [03:49:48] | mattwj2002: | no that didn't work |
| [03:50:11] | mattwj2002: | I think you guys might have misunderstood me |
| [03:50:46] | mattwj2002: | you go to mythweb and I have a list of shows that were recorded by the files for the video no longer exists |
| [03:50:56] | mattwj2002: | *but the files |
| [03:51:10] | iamlindoro__: | Yes. We understood that. The find orphans script fixes that. |
| [03:51:49] | iamlindoro__: | it properly removes the DB information for missing files, or the files with missing DB data, depending on how it's run. |
| [03:52:28] | iamlindoro__: | ./myth.find_orphans.pl --help |
| [03:52:39] | mattwj2002: | yup |
| [03:52:45] | mattwj2002: | I ran the script successfully |
| [03:52:49] | mattwj2002: | the pages are still there |
| [03:52:58] | iamlindoro__: | then you ran the script *un*successfully |
| [03:53:04] | iamlindoro__: | what options did you use? |
| [03:53:38] | mattwj2002: | do I need to run it as sudo? |
| [03:53:43] | iamlindoro__: | what options did you use? |
| [03:53:46] | mattwj2002: | perl -l myth.find_orphans.pl --host=192.168.2.122 --dbhost=192.168.2.122 --database=mythconverg --user=mythtv --pass=C1RFOKlE -dir=/var/lib/mythtv/recordings --dodelete |
| [03:53:53] | iamlindoro__: | totally wrong |
| [03:53:57] | iamlindoro__: | ./myth.find_orphans.pl --help |
| [03:54:22] | iamlindoro__: | Read *carefully* what --dodelete does |
| [03:54:39] | iamlindoro__: | and then look one line up |
| [03:54:44] | mattwj2002: | oh man |
| [03:54:46] | mattwj2002: | dang it |
| [03:54:53] | ** mattwj2002 feels dumb ** | |
| [03:55:04] | iamlindoro__: | rightly so, but you earn points for saying so ;) |
| [03:55:25] | PaulWay: | Not as dumb as I feel now :-) |
| [03:57:00] | mattwj2002: | lol |
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| [03:57:23] | PaulWay: | I can't find any help on Google for what "recorder off-line" means. |
| [03:57:51] | PaulWay: | And I've just set up the master and slave backends (different machines) afresh. |
| [03:58:09] | PaulWay: | Can't watch live TV as well, of course, just as an extra data point. |
| [03:58:09] | iamlindoro__: | PaulWay, Read your backend logs for the system with the offline recorder, it will say why it's being marked unavailable |
| [03:58:38] | PaulWay: | Which is that likely to be – the master with no tuner cards or the slave with two tuners? |
| [03:58:59] | iamlindoro__: | whichever one possesses the tune with the offline recorder |
| [03:59:01] | iamlindoro__: | tuner |
| [03:59:18] | iamlindoro__: | As a hint, that *won't* be the one with no tuners ;) |
| [03:59:52] | PaulWay: | Yeah, I sort of guessed that, but I see no message with the word 'record', 'off' or 'line' in the backend log. |
| [04:00:06] | PaulWay: | I suppose I'm going to have to run it from the command line in more debugging mode. |
| [04:00:07] | PaulWay: | One moment. |
| [04:00:22] | mattwj2002: | it is still showing those files in mythweb |
| [04:00:24] | mattwj2002: | :S |
| [04:01:14] | iamlindoro__: | mattwj2002, if that's so, find orphans is failing and should tell you why |
| [04:01:30] | PaulWay: | Nup, no message with those keywords under -v most either. |
| [04:01:50] | iamlindoro__: | don't grep, use a pastebin |
| [04:02:04] | ** PaulWay tries -v all ** | |
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| [04:03:31] | PaulWay: | iamlindoro__: if you're interested, the log of that minutes' run is at http://tangram.dnsalias.net/~paulway/mythback.log |
| [04:05:15] | PaulWay: | Odd – the SSDP stuff seems to be referring to http://172.16.202.1:6547 in that log but it is now pointing to the right right URL (http://192.168.23.252:6544) |
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| [04:10:33] | justdave: | Trying to use the parental control stuff in MythVideo... If I switch back to level 1 after being at a higher level, then switching back to a higher level doesn't prompt me for a pin anymore. |
| [04:11:16] | justdave: | is there a timeout on it or something I hope? |
| [04:11:47] | justdave: | quitting out of MythVideo back to the main myth-frontend menu and going back in doesn't seem to make it forget, either, I actually have to quit the app and run it again, by appearances |
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| [04:22:36] | PaulWay: | iamlindoro__: Have you had a look at that log file? Anything stand out as wrong? |
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| [04:29:12] | Steven_M: | hi all |
| [04:30:14] | Steven_M: | is debian-multimedia a good place to get mythtv these days? |
| [04:32:39] | PaulWay: | The strange thing is that you can see that the it's definitely connecting to the tuner and testing it successfully. |
| [04:35:11] | Steven_M: | does anyone run mythtv under debian? |
| [04:35:31] | PaulWay: | Steven_M: I don't, but debian-multimedia sounds like the place to start. |
| [04:35:50] | PaulWay: | I prefer to install from packages myself. |
| [04:36:43] | Steven_M: | PaulWay: you mean from source? |
| [04:36:59] | PaulWay: | no, via yum in my case and apt-get in yours :-) |
| [04:37:27] | PaulWay: | it means you get a standard, well-understood baseline version. |
| [04:37:52] | Steven_M: | PaulWay: ok, me too :) |
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| [04:40:38] | justdave: | ok, I confirmed, it has a timeout |
| [04:40:41] | justdave: | that makes me feel better |
| [04:40:57] | justdave: | if you leave it sit for a couple minutes then try to go back to a higher level it does prompt again |
| [04:41:08] | justdave: | even if you didn't leave to the main menu in between |
| [04:41:38] | PaulWay: | Well, that's good to know. |
| [04:49:00] | Steven_M: | does this look like a good version of mythtv, or should I use another distro with a different version? http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable/mai . . . e/mythtv.php |
| [04:52:47] | ** justdave uses Mythbuntu ** | |
| [04:53:37] | Steven_M: | anyone else? |
| [04:53:48] | justdave: | there's a few third-party repos out there with weekly deb builds of .21-fixes |
| [04:53:57] | wombo: | I use Mythbuntu as well |
| [04:54:00] | justdave: | which is nice because you pick up the bugfixes as they happen |
| [04:55:39] | justdave: | ok, the timeout appears to be a minute, and it's a minute idle, not a minute since you entered the pin. Just from observation. I'm attempting to locate it in the source to figure out for sure, but haven't found it yet |
| [04:55:53] | Steven_M: | justdave: doesn't the version I posted include any bug fixes? |
| [04:56:05] | justdave: | the version you posted hasn't been updated since July last year |
| [04:57:53] | Steven_M: | justdave: has there been a lot of bug fixes since then? |
| [04:58:55] | justdave: | there's been 101 checkins since September 24th, and that's as far back as the list I'm looking at goes. |
| [04:59:26] | justdave: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/release-0-21-fixes |
| [04:59:45] | Steven_M: | justdave: Oh, I see :) |
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| [05:04:06] | justdave: | ok, from the source it looks like it is an explicit time since it was entered and not since you were idle |
| [05:04:11] | justdave: | and it pulls it from a setting |
| [05:04:19] | justdave: | so the time must be configurable somewhere |
| [05:04:35] | justdave: | must default to 5 minutes.... that's about when it prompted me again when I was playing with it |
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| [05:06:53] | justdave: | oh, nope, the timestamp of last success is the setting in the DB |
| [05:07:00] | justdave: | it is hardcoded, it's 2 minutes |
| [05:07:30] | justdave: | 2 minutes since the last time you changed it, whether you had to enter the pin to get there or not |
| [05:08:17] | justdave: | oh, nope, it does check if you entered a pin or not before then |
| [05:08:23] | PaulWay: | *sigh* still "recorder off-line", still no idea why. |
| [05:08:33] | PaulWay: | Any help would be really appreciated. |
| [05:08:39] | ** justdave updates the docs on the wiki so the next person as confused as I am can figure it out :) ** | |
| [05:09:15] | PaulWay: | justdave: awesome – good work! |
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| [05:10:47] | Steven_M: | justdave: so, do you run mythtv under debiain, mythbuntu, or something else? |
| [05:10:54] | justdave: | mythbuntu |
| [05:11:22] | justdave: | I usually actually install Ubuntu itself, then install the mythbuntu-desktop package, which pulls everything else in. |
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| [05:13:04] | justdave: | mythbuntu defaults to xfce (because it stays out of your way nicely if it's a dedicated Myth box), but I usually switch it back to Gnome, mainly because I'm often doing other things outside of Myth (like using Firefox to visit sites that do flash streaming) |
| [05:13:37] | Steven_M: | justdave: ok I think that's what I'll do |
| [05:14:46] | Steven_M: | justdave: if it's ok I've got 3 more questions for you |
| [05:15:23] | PaulWay: | Aaahhhh, at last we're getting somewhere – "RemoteFile::openSocket(control socket): Could not connect to server "" @ port -1" |
| [05:15:33] | PaulWay: | Same as banyan almost exactly a year ago. |
| [05:16:08] | PaulWay: | I'd like to not pursue his solution (reinstalling MythTV). |
| [05:18:16] | PaulWay: | Master backend in -v most now. |
| [05:18:32] | PaulWay: | "MythSocket(8c6a0a8:20): attempting connect() to (0.0.0.0:65535)" – doesn't look good. |
| [05:18:53] | PaulWay: | Where's it getting that setting from... |
| [05:19:21] | Steven_M: | justdave: is it true that mythbuntu no longer supports ATI graphics cards at all? |
| [05:19:39] | justdave: | I sure hope not, cuz I'm using one. :) |
| [05:19:53] | justdave: | er, wait... no I'm not |
| [05:20:01] | justdave: | I replaced that box already |
| [05:20:07] | justdave: | I used to be using one. :) |
| [05:20:32] | justdave: | I've got one with an Intel card, and 3 with NVidia |
| [05:21:07] | Steven_M: | justdave: yeah I think support discontinused a while ago |
| [05:21:27] | PaulWay: | justdave: I'm hanging out for the Atom + Ion combo. |
| [05:21:36] | justdave: | my server with the tuners is a home-built contraption, my frontends are all Mac Minis |
| [05:22:10] | justdave: | the ATI one was the hacked up remains of a Powerbook G4 laptop (so it was PPC also) |
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| [05:22:40] | Steven_M: | justdave: I'll get an nvidia soon |
| [05:24:05] | wombo: | No I think it was a problem with the Ubuntu 9.04 beta which when Mythbuntu inherits the problem |
| [05:24:16] | wombo: | It will be fixed by 9.04 RC or final |
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| [05:25:21] | Steven_M: | wombo: the ATI problem? |
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| [05:33:38] | wombo: | Steven_M, yeah |
| [05:34:08] | PaulWay: | Is there a way to get the debug to tell me the responses from the database? |
| [05:34:23] | PaulWay: | For the backend? |
| [05:35:51] | Steven_M: | justdave: 2nd question: When use to use mythbuntu, it wouldn't take any notice of the volume controls on my tuner card's remote, do you two have that problem? |
| [05:36:30] | Steven_M: | @ justdave and wombo |
| [05:37:12] | justdave: | not sure I've noticed. I've had to hack on it to make sound work in general in the past |
| [05:37:13] | wombo: | Its probably a bit different for me as I use an amp, with a logitech harmony |
| [05:37:23] | PaulWay: | Because what I'm getting at the moment looks like it's getting the wrong information for some IP and Port setting, and I don't know which. |
| [05:37:41] | justdave: | in my case, Myth can't control the volume anyway, they're all on external line out to the TV, and I use the TV's volume |
| [05:38:25] | Steven_M: | wombo: ahh |
| [05:38:43] | Steven_M: | justdave: oh ok |
| [05:39:01] | justdave: | hmm, the parental control pin numbers are per-frontend. yikes |
| [05:39:27] | ** justdave hacks the database to set defaults for frontends that don't have it set ** | |
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| [05:39:42] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: Nice... I send an e-mail to the list that starts a ton of questions, then I disappear for a few hours and you pick up the slack for me. thx. |
| [05:39:46] | Wicked: | hmm. is it possible to have mythtv get rid of a small line of static at the top on the video? |
| [05:39:46] | justdave: | suppose that makes sense – the TV in the master bedroom might not need it, but you'd want it on the one in the living room :) |
| [05:39:55] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, yw :) |
| [05:40:53] | iamlindoro__: | Wicked, That's not static, that's the vertical blanking interval-- and yes, you can set myth to scale up the output video by a few percent when playing back |
| [05:41:11] | iamlindoro__: | cropping it out of the original file would require you to trascode the material |
| [05:41:12] | Steven_M: | justdave: the joys I've having chidren and needing parental controls :) |
| [05:41:17] | Wicked: | would i do that in the screen adjustments? |
| [05:41:57] | iamlindoro__: | Wicked, Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, Page 2 |
| [05:42:05] | iamlindoro__: | Vertical and Horizontal Scaling |
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| [05:42:09] | Wicked: | ah awesome. thanks man |
| [05:42:11] | justdave: | I do like that the parental control level change is well-hidden. The kids never even need to know there's anything there they shouldn't see. :) |
| [05:42:11] | iamlindoro__: | 2 or so percent ought to do |
| [05:43:10] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, I have yet to hear about SELinux being anything but trouble. What a steaming pile |
| [05:43:20] | Steven_M: | justdave: cool :) |
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| [05:45:10] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: SELinux is just a way to disable enough stuff in GNU/Linux to allow Red Hat to sell RHEL to the US government, I think. :) |
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| [05:45:33] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, Also funny how someone will write back a message expressing their skepticism about what you told them rather than try it first |
| [05:45:37] | PaulWay: | I hate to keep asking, but can anyone help me with this socket problem? I need to try and work out what settings determine the IP and port for the RemoteFile::openSocket(control socket) call. |
| [05:46:14] | PaulWay: | Because it's not getting those filled by the database – Could not connect to server "" @ port -1 |
| [05:46:38] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: guess I should have said, "among other things," in my e-mail, though (as his specific messages look different from what I'd expect for a complaint about MythVideoCommon.pm). |
| [05:46:39] | PaulWay: | iamlindoro__: I've had no problems with SELinux. |
| [05:46:50] | iamlindoro__: | PaulWay, You will |
| [05:46:58] | PaulWay: | Once you understand a bit about it, you know how to work with it. |
| [05:47:20] | PaulWay: | iamlindoro__: you've written some policies for it, then? |
| [05:47:27] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, Sounds like it'll become a common issue come .22 |
| [05:47:39] | sphery: | PaulWay: you need to run mythtv-setup on /each/ of your backends and, under General settings set the IP address of the master backend /and/ the local machine |
| [05:47:49] | PaulWay: | sphery: I've done that. |
| [05:48:20] | sphery: | PaulWay: if you have more than one system on which myth apps run (i.e. one frontend and one backend on two hosts or 2 backends or 2 frontends or ...) you can /not/ put 127.0.0.1 /anywhere/ in the configuration |
| [05:48:24] | Steven_M: | justdave: 3rd question: Does ubuntu/mythbuntu get regular updates in terms of mythtv bug fixes |
| [05:48:50] | justdave: | Mythbuntu seems to get them every 2 or 3 months |
| [05:48:59] | justdave: | I'm using a third party repo that seems to do them weekly at the moment |
| [05:49:17] | PaulWay: | sphery: See http://tangram.dnsalias.net/~paulway/mythtv_settings_1.txt |
| [05:49:30] | Steven_M: | cool: thanks for all your help :) |
| [05:49:34] | abliss: | hi all, would anyone help me figure out why my remote frontend can't play recorded files? the animated preview works, but when I click on the file I get 'video not found'. I have made sure the hostnames are different and the backend binds to the correct address, not 127.0.0.1 |
| [05:50:17] | justdave: | abliss: mythvideo or mythtv? |
| [05:50:17] | abliss: | it seems to be stubbornly looking for the file on the local machine, where it does not exist (no NFS or anything), even though i checked the "always stream from backend" box in the config |
| [05:50:35] | justdave: | (Watch Recordings or Watch Videos) |
| [05:50:42] | abliss: | mythfrontend. watching recordings. |
| [05:51:08] | justdave: | ok, you checked the always stream thing on the frontend in question, right? |
| [05:51:13] | justdave: | I think that's a per-frontend setting |
| [05:51:22] | PaulWay: | sphery: The MasterServerIP and MasterServerPort are set to the correct IP address for host NULL (i.e. is null), and the BackendServerIP and BackendServerPort are set to the correct IP address for each backend. |
| [05:51:33] | abliss: | yes, i checked it on this frontend |
| [05:51:49] | justdave: | can you watch livetv at all? |
| [05:52:50] | abliss: | livetv seems to crash due to some other unrelated issue, i haven't really looked into it |
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| [05:53:37] | justdave: | watch recordings uses the same streaming mechanism that livetv does, I think |
| [05:54:06] | abliss: | livetv doesn't work right even on the machine with the tuner, but i never watch live tv. |
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| [05:54:25] | abliss: | on the machine with the tuner, frontend/backend seem to work great for recording and watching recordings |
| [05:54:25] | sphery: | abliss: you're not using MythTV 0.21 (release), are you? It's broken, you need MythTV 0.21-fixes |
| [05:54:51] | sphery: | PaulWay: don't see the problem in what you've given me--which just means it's elsewhere... I'm out of ideas, though. |
| [05:54:56] | abliss: | sphery: thanks. i need fixes in frontend, backend, or both? |
| [05:55:10] | sphery: | you have to run the same version of Myth everwhere |
| [05:55:13] | sphery: | where did you get your Myth? |
| [05:55:25] | PaulWay: | sphery: yeah. I know. That's the problem – how to find out. |
| [05:55:33] | sphery: | abliss: If you downloaded the tarball from mythtv.org and compiled/installed, it won't work |
| [05:55:45] | PaulWay: | Is there a -v option on the backend to show the result of each query? |
| [05:55:51] | sphery: | abliss: if you used a package from some distro, you should already have 0.21-fixes |
| [05:55:55] | PaulWay: | Or am I going to have to trace mysql? |
| [05:56:00] | clever: | PaulWay: mythbackend -v db |
| [05:56:03] | abliss: | sphery: i got the debs from debian-multimedia.org |
| [05:56:08] | abliss: | 0.21.svn20090401–0.0 |
| [05:56:09] | clever: | that will show all outgoing querys, but not the results |
| [05:56:20] | clever: | might be -v database |
| [05:56:43] | PaulWay: | If -v db is the same as -v database, then no, it doesn't. |
| [05:56:46] | sphery: | PaulWay: -v database , pretty sure |
| [05:56:50] | PaulWay: | I need the results. |
| [05:57:16] | PaulWay: | Because something isn't returning the correct settings and wading through every single query is tiresome. |
| [05:57:18] | clever: | i would just manualy run the same query in a mysql shell |
| [05:57:26] | clever: | ahh:S |
| [05:57:33] | sphery: | F(VB_DATABASE, 0x00010000, "database", 1, "Display all SQL commands executed") |
| [05:57:52] | PaulWay: | sphery: ta. :-/ |
| [05:58:12] | PaulWay: | -v db is unknown. |
| [05:58:20] | sphery: | yeah, it's database |
| [05:59:11] | PaulWay: | What does MasterBackendOverride do? |
| [05:59:47] | PaulWay: | *shrugs* it's set, anyway. |
| [06:00:15] | clever: | PaulWay: forces everything to get streamed thru the master backend |
| [06:00:24] | clever: | instead of the backend that 'owns' the file you want |
| [06:00:35] | sphery: | PaulWay: Master Backend Override: If enabled, the master backend will stream and delete files if it finds them in the video directory. Useful if you are using a central storage location, like a NFS share, and your slave backend isn't running. |
| [06:00:40] | sphery: | not what clever said |
| [06:00:57] | clever: | similar to what i said |
| [06:00:59] | sphery: | PaulWay: but, really, the /right/ way to find the broken setting is not to go through the DB and flip switches/values you don't understand |
| [06:01:15] | PaulWay: | Nonononono, I wasn't doing that, just trying to understand something in passing. |
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| [06:01:31] | sphery: | the right way is to use the GUI settings programs (mythtv-setup and mythfrontend settings) that do all sorts of checking of things and ensuring settings are properly reloaded and ... |
| [06:01:52] | PaulWay: | Well, that's what I've done, and it's still saying "recording off-line". |
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| [06:03:35] | abliss: | do the frontend and backend have to have the same timezone? |
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| [06:04:50] | PaulWay: | sphery: where did you get that description of master backend override? |
| [06:05:02] | PaulWay: | I'm wondering about VideoStartupDir. |
| [06:05:10] | sphery: | I have a /very/ good memory... |
| [06:05:26] | PaulWay: | I didn't want to keep on asking you :-) |
| [06:05:35] | PaulWay: | I appreciate your help here, I just don't want to bug you. |
| [06:05:35] | iamlindoro__: | VideoStartupDir is the Mythvideo dir. |
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| [06:06:13] | sphery: | VideoStartupDir is the mythvideo setting: Directories that hold videos: Multiple directories can be separated by ':'. Each directory must exist and be readable by the user running MythVideo. |
| [06:06:30] | PaulWay: | Right – ta – ignorable for now. |
| [06:06:52] | sphery: | PaulWay: and, believe it or not, the GUI programs I recommended for checking settings actually have all these descriptions in them... :) |
| [06:07:50] | clever: | that still doesnt explain how you find the descriptions so fast:P |
| [06:08:38] | PaulWay: | No, I know that, I'm just trying to go through the list of queries and spot ones that might not be returning something important. |
| [06:08:48] | PaulWay: | Since no-one has any better ideas for how to work out what's going wrong here. |
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| [06:12:01] | i_is_cat: | ok so i went to my uncles and brought my remotes used his mceusb receiver to get a lircd.conf file come home and test it out and get not output off irw |
| [06:12:19] | i_is_cat: | this is like the same problem abarber was having yesterday |
| [06:12:27] | i_is_cat: | but my other remote still works fine |
| [06:12:56] | sphery: | clever: I know basically every setting (meaning the general idea of it and where it is) in Myth and have access to the source for getting the full description |
| [06:12:58] | i_is_cat: | and mode2 spews output with the remotes that dont show anything in irw :S |
| [06:13:16] | sphery: | clever: and I've had /many/ years of practice quoting these settings for people on the -users list |
| [06:14:14] | PaulWay: | You can find the master backend log, complete with the relevant errors at the bottom, at http://tangram.dnsalias.net/~paulway/mythback_new.log |
| [06:14:58] | PaulWay: | ah, my bad, http://tangram.dnsalias.net/~paulway/mythback-new.log |
| [06:20:53] | clever: | sphery: yeah, but it still takes me ~5mins to grep that out of my source:S |
| [06:21:20] | PaulWay: | clever: have you tried 'ack'? |
| [06:21:24] | Steven_M: | is this a good graphics card for a frontend/backend combo? |
| [06:21:26] | PaulWay: | it's like a smart grep. |
| [06:21:28] | clever: | never heard of it |
| [06:21:43] | sphery: | abliss: sorry... just found your mention of getting the debs from a repo... what's the output ("MythTV Version |
| [06:21:59] | sphery: | abliss: and "MythTV Branch" lines of: mythbackend --version |
| [06:23:02] | PaulWay: | clever: have a look – it's pretty good. |
| [06:23:18] | clever: | Description: ack is a tool like grep, aimed at programmers with large trees of heterogeneous source code |
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| [06:24:06] | abliss: | shpery: branches/release-0-21-fixes |
| [06:24:51] | abliss: | i think i fixed the "local file" problem by changing the frontend to have the same timezone as the backend. trying now to workaround the glXGetProcAddress crash |
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| [06:29:55] | sphery: | abliss: then your problem isn't the one I thought--where you would need to upgrade... Can't think of what would cause it, though. Sorry. (2:30am is too late/early for me, it seems.) |
| [06:31:05] | abliss: | thanks anyway. |
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| [06:37:57] | clever: | PaulWay: it looks like it can even grep thru tar files, and has a massive depency on everything |
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| [06:50:02] | Scoldog: | Does the MySQL database have to be on the same computer as MythTV, or can it be on a seperate DB server? |
| [06:50:10] | clever: | Scoldog: it can be on any server in the network, as long as every mythtv system can access it |
| [06:50:17] | Scoldog: | I |
| [06:50:32] | Scoldog: | I'm guessing that is setup in the MySQL permissions? |
| [06:50:43] | clever: | mysql and firewall stuff |
| [06:50:48] | Scoldog: | OK |
| [06:50:51] | Scoldog: | Thanks clever |
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| [06:56:54] | Steven_M: | wombo: may I ask what model of graphics card you use? |
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| [07:03:05] | Steven_M: | justdave: are you still here? |
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| [07:03:48] | justdave: | yo |
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| [07:05:46] | Steven_M: | justdave: is this a good graphics card for a frontend/backend combo? |
| [07:06:57] | justdave: | I'm by no means an expert on video cards. I have an Intel 845GM on the one Mac Mini, the other two have nVidia GeForce 9400 (built-in in all cases). They work, that's all I know. :) |
| [07:07:55] | justdave: | my backend server has a GeForce 6200 on it (it used to be hooked up to a TV, but isn't anymore) |
| [07:08:33] | Steven_M: | justdave: ok then :) |
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| [07:11:09] | DarK``: | Steven_M: I have a Nvidia Geforce 7300LE which is fanless. Ofcourse its not a high end gaming card. Setting it up was easy and the card works perfectly |
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| [07:12:39] | Steven_M: | justdave: do apple still make Macmini's now thay've moved to intel? |
| [07:12:54] | justdave: | heh, yes. |
| [07:13:05] | Steven_M: | DarK``: Thanks :) |
| [07:13:08] | justdave: | there's been two different generations of Intel-based Mac Minis so far |
| [07:13:14] | justdave: | most recent just came out last month |
| [07:13:34] | justdave: | (the two with the nVidia cards that I have are both the brand new one) |
| [07:13:54] | Steven_M: | justdave: that's good I'm a mac fan too :) |
| [07:14:25] | ** Steven_M goes to dinner ** | |
| [07:14:28] | justdave: | adding RAM was easier than I thought it would be once I figured out how to pry the case open. :) |
| [07:14:53] | justdave: | you can get RAM a LOT cheaper than Apple sells it. So if you get one, get the smallest RAM they offer, and add your own after you get it. |
| [07:15:01] | Steven_M: | justdave: cool :) |
| [07:15:15] | DarK``: | to be honest, Im not sure if the Geforce 7300LE is still available. I bought mine last year and it only cost me 50 EUR because its a low budget card. |
| [07:15:29] | DarK``: | but maybe there are other LE-types now |
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| [07:18:47] | clever: | justdave: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/First-Look/Mac-mini-A1283/659/1 |
| [07:19:34] | justdave: | yep, that's pretty much how I did it. :) |
| [07:19:57] | clever: | they also link to another guide on putting 1tb into your macmini |
| [07:19:58] | justdave: | macminicolo had a tutorial up, too, that's what I used |
| [07:20:11] | clever: | you basicaly replace the hdd with a 500gig sata and do the same with the cd drive |
| [07:20:58] | wombo: | Steven_M, I think I have a 6xxx Nvidia of some type |
| [07:21:51] | wombo: | But if I was you I think a 8000 series Nvidia would be good as when the new version of Mythtv is released you will be able to use VDPAU |
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| [07:24:29] | justdave: | there's third-party repos of .21-fixes with the VDPAU stuff backported already |
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| [07:26:36] | wombo: | Yes, but if you use that you will get NO support from the Mythtv team as it is unsupported |
| [07:28:25] | clever: | go bug the 3rd party! |
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| [07:37:58] | GlemSom: | I created a new transcoder profile (called Test_Transcode)... How do I transcode using that profile? |
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| [07:40:09] | Talb: | Hello |
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| [09:59:42] | pbj: | Hey There – I'm looking for a way to make my MB run constantly supplying the 2 tunercards to the system with LiveTV – if more than 2cards needed – it'll wake up the SBE. But can only find where MythTV shuts down the whole system and waits for a wake up – But I want to MBE to run constantly and wake the SBE using WOL (which works now) But how to set this up – the documentation seems to miss this point |
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| [10:25:45] | clever: | pbj: there was talk of that patch on the mailing lists |
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| [10:40:56] | justinh: | well, now I'm sober & have a window of opportunity it's time to get busy reporting this breach of the Data Protection Act |
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| [11:36:00] | justinh: | there we go. complaint submitted |
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| [11:42:00] | justinh: | surprisingly straightforward actually. wonder what's going to happen |
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| [12:51:18] | pbj: | <clever> thanks for the notice -allthough I cannot seem to find anything about a patch – but a little script here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 0wol;#370144 – or was it sine thing else you'd had in mind |
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| [14:20:21] | sphery: | pbj: The patch to which clever referred is really just a trunk/unstable thing. Your best bet is to wait 'til 0.22. Until then, consider mythshutdown, which can allow the remote backend to shut itself down with a wakeup alarm (rather than WOL) for when it's next needed. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythwelcome#MythShutdown_program (but really all of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythwelcome ). |
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| [14:33:17] | pbj: | <sphery> Thanks. My idea was using the MB to control the SB – where using mythshown – it's using the BIOS- What if you preferer a new recording (after the SB is down) then it haven't got any request about the new recording!(but using 0.22trunk version) My plan was using the cars on SB to scheduled recording and the MB for LIVETV |
| [14:33:40] | pbj: | cars=cards |
| [14:36:12] | sphery: | pbj: if you're using -fixes with mythshutdown and you schedule a recording that wasn't scheduled when the remote backend shut down, /you/ manually send a WOL for the remote backend and all will be well. |
| [14:37:12] | pbj: | So it'll wake up shortly to updatethe next recording time – well I've give it a try |
| [14:37:30] | sphery: | pbj: if you're using trunk, you already have the capability to use the WOL feature--it works exactly as explained in the commit message you saw (after all, anyone running trunk should be reading all the messages on -dev and -commits mailing lists so they know what works/what doesn't or what's finished/still a work in progress, let alone how all the new features work |
| [14:39:17] | pbj: | Well – I'm trying to understand it as I wanting to expand my setup – but have try a couple of settings for this – so would like to be sure in the end – So thanks |
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| [14:44:16] | Birmaan_: | Question which platform is more suiteable intel or amd |
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| [14:45:22] | sphery: | Birmaan_: best platform is probably GNU/Linux on x86 (either 32-bit or 64-bit) |
| [14:45:31] | sphery: | AMD vs Intel is up to you |
| [14:45:59] | asperon: | hi guys, #linuxtv seems a bit dead so i was hoping that one of you guys could help me out. I have a Hauppague Nexus hybrid card, and i cant seem to get the analogue part to work. i have a /dev/video0 but i cant seem to tune it whatever i do, am i missing something |
| [14:46:10] | asperon: | sphery: hi, changed the card, got some new problems ;) |
| [14:46:21] | sphery: | Depending on what you're doing, you may want to choose processors from the vendor with the more efficient design (i.e. if you're planning to do high-definition MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) decoding) |
| [14:46:54] | sphery: | Or, if you're only doing SDTV or only MPEG-2 HDTV, you can choose processors from the vendor whose processors are less expensive |
| [14:47:19] | Birmaan_: | sphery: you are right about this |
| [14:47:22] | sphery: | asperon: Don't know anything about that card (or DVB-T, in general) |
| [14:47:32] | sphery: | Birmaan_: what do you plan to do with Myth? |
| [14:47:54] | Birmaan_: | sphery: I wanted to dp hd/h.264 etc |
| [14:48:05] | asperon: | sphery: not much |
| [14:48:09] | asperon: | its a hybrid card |
| [14:48:13] | asperon: | and the digital part works |
| [14:48:22] | Birmaan_: | Just files or dvd`s |
| [14:49:19] | sphery: | Birmaan_: then you should get at minimum an Intel Core 2 Duo 2.6GHz, but faster is better (more cores not so much better). Might also be OK with a very fast AMD (I have an X2 6000+ (3GHz), but I've never tried HDTV H.264). |
| [14:49:54] | sphery: | Birmaan_: Basically, you /can/ buy a processor that's too slow. You can /not/ buy a processor that's too fast. So... |
| [14:49:56] | Birmaan_: | Perhaps the question is ,how good are the drivers from ATI/Nvidia for hd material |
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| [14:50:04] | asperon: | i have a line in dmesg saying: dvb_ttpci: saa7113 not accessible. |
| [14:50:12] | asperon: | and then it loads saa7146_vv |
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| [14:50:35] | asperon: | how would one tune a none ivtv analogue card? |
| [14:50:41] | sphery: | Birmaan_: if you use software decode, the GPU only needs to be as good as an NVIDIA GF4MX440 (I actually used that for a while on my 1080p setup). I.e. the video drivers have nothing to do with it. |
| [14:51:02] | justinh: | asperon: if it has an mpeg encoder onboard, v4l2ctl et al |
| [14:51:05] | Birmaan_: | hmm |
| [14:51:21] | sphery: | Birmaan_: if you choose to forego stability and recoverability in the face of corrupt stream, you can use NVIDIA VDPAU--where much of the decoding is done on GPU. |
| [14:51:23] | justinh: | and not getting a timely answer in the _proper_ channel is not an excuse to ask here |
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| [14:51:46] | sphery: | Birmaan_: IMHO, if you buy a system where your /only/ choice is hardware decode with VDPAU, you're setting yourself up for a /huge/ disappointment. |
| [14:51:59] | Birmaan_: | sphery: But if you want a decent resolution you need good hardware and of course software or not |
| [14:52:02] | asperon: | justinh: it does |
| [14:52:10] | asperon: | and i have tried v4l2ctl |
| [14:52:19] | sphery: | Birmaan_: and, VDPAU is only available in trunk/unstable (and trunk is not supported) |
| [14:52:20] | asperon: | but it just tells me that the only input is dvb |
| [14:53:18] | asperon: | strange thing is this: |
| [14:53:21] | Birmaan_: | so an ati 3600 should be oke |
| [14:53:22] | asperon: | Video input : 0 (DVB) |
| [14:53:22] | asperon: | Audio input : 0 (Television) |
| [14:53:24] | sphery: | Birmaan_: Like I said, I used a GF4 MX440 with 1080p... The video card is basically meaningless in the software decode world--you /only/ need Xv support (i.e. support for writing video frames to video card quickly) |
| [14:53:36] | justinh: | asperon: take it up in #linuxtv |
| [14:53:45] | justinh: | or their mailing list |
| [14:54:12] | asperon: | justinh: ok |
| [14:54:15] | Birmaan_: | sphery: oke thanks for the info |
| [14:54:35] | justinh: | one of the 'joys' of having newly supported, or nearly supported hardware is a distinct lack of information out there in internet land |
| [14:54:50] | Birmaan_: | I have to familiarize more with the stuff |
| [14:54:55] | sphery: | Birmaan_: if doing software decode, the ATI HD 3600 should be fine--assuming your video drivers provide Xv. I know that the FOSS ones don't always provide Xv for the HD 3200 (because it requires full 3D support for Xv with that card), so make sure the drivers can do Xv. |
| [14:55:25] | sphery: | The ATI drivers do provide Xv support, but note that they're only really usable on a multilib system or on a plain 32-bit system |
| [14:55:54] | sphery: | (requires serious hacks--including editing binary files you're not licensed to edit--to make them work on a "pure" 64-bit system) |
| [14:56:29] | Birmaan_: | sphery: so you prefure nvidia for the job |
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| [14:57:24] | sphery: | I actually prefer ATI/AMD, but I'm still using NVIDIA on my systems. |
| [14:57:56] | sphery: | I considered changing, but I'm probably going to wait a bit longer for the FOSS drivers to get where I want them. |
| [14:58:28] | sphery: | (I'm actually rebuilding all my 5 (+1 dev box) Myth systems right now, so this would be the best time to change.) |
| [14:58:54] | sphery: | technically, 2 of those Myth systems are someone else's, but I'm maintaining them. |
| [15:00:29] | Birmaan_: | Ah,sounds profesional |
| [15:00:33] | Birmaan_: | ;-) |
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| [15:04:02] | Birmaan_: | sphery: What do you think about amd 780 g chip-set +integrated hd3200 video card |
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| [15:14:14] | iamlindoro__: | Seems ol' backport may have given up on theming... too much work! |
| [15:14:41] | justinh: | aww |
| [15:15:35] | sphery: | Birmaan_: AMD 780G is the one that requires 3D support for Xv (I have it on my pure-64 laptop and can't play back video except unscaled--i.e. in a tiny little 720x480 window on the 1680x1050 screen). |
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| [15:16:19] | sphery: | Birmaan_: if you have good drivers for it (either the ATI Catalyst (fglrx) drivers or--I think--the radeonhd w/ full DRI support), it's probably not bad. |
| [15:17:07] | honk: | there's xv support for pretty much all radeon cards available with the open source drivers right now |
| [15:17:20] | honk: | even r[67]xx :] |
| [15:17:24] | sphery: | Birmaan_: that said, if you're not using the Catalyst drivers, setting up an nvidia-based GPU would probably be /much/ easier. (And, may even be easier than setting it up to use Catalyst) |
| [15:17:45] | sphery: | honk: the HD 3200 Xv support is brand new/still in testing |
| [15:17:54] | honk: | works just fine though :) |
| [15:18:10] | honk: | even if it can be a bit hard to set up ^_^ |
| [15:18:12] | sphery: | then I'm assumign you're using radeonhd + DRI |
| [15:18:19] | sphery: | on an HD 3200? |
| [15:18:41] | sphery: | (which is a /very/ different hardware design from most others--which is why it's so sticky in comparison) |
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| [15:23:50] | Birmaan_: | oke thanks for the info so far |
| [15:24:20] | sphery: | Hmmm... I stand corrected... It's the radeon, not the radeonhd, that promises XV for HD 3200 |
| [15:24:36] | honk: | sphery: not personally |
| [15:24:41] | sphery: | but it was checked into the repo on 13 Mar 2009 |
| [15:24:47] | honk: | and.. both drivers have got xv |
| [15:24:58] | sphery: | right, but they don't support Xv on all chips |
| [15:25:02] | honk: | huh? |
| [15:25:24] | ** sphery is running the radeonhd driver 1.2.4 (current version) on his HD 3200-based laptop and has no Xv ** | |
| [15:26:11] | honk: | yeah, cuz 1.2.4 is old |
| [15:26:22] | honk: | get a git build |
| [15:27:10] | sphery: | yep, I'm sure you--who doesn't even use the chip--know more about it than me |
| [15:27:28] | honk: | http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature |
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| [15:28:02] | honk: | sphery: I know that radeonhd's xv support came way after 1.2.4 was released |
| [15:28:09] | honk: | and that they didnt single out hd3200 as not working |
| [15:28:11] | sphery: | yes, like I said, it promises Xv but /only/ with DRI |
| [15:28:22] | sphery: | Faster video (textured Xv) only |
| [15:28:39] | honk: | "only"? that's xv |
| [15:29:01] | sphery: | meaning they don't support Fast video (overlay Xv) |
| [15:29:13] | honk: | why would they? |
| [15:29:15] | sphery: | you have to use the textured Xv, which /only/ works with 3D support |
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| [15:29:43] | honk: | it works right now – while no 3d support whatsoever is available |
| [15:29:58] | honk: | it does use the radeon kernel module though – true :p |
| [15:30:24] | janneg: | sphery: no, you got it backwards. overlay doesn't work well with 3d/composite |
| [15:30:32] | honk: | there is no 2d engine on r6xx and r7xx cards – that's why |
| [15:30:35] | janneg: | textured video works with both |
| [15:31:05] | sphery: | OK. |
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| [15:32:15] | sphery: | I was only trying to let someone know that the HD 3200 is not the easiest GPU to use Xv on with FOSS drivers and that the ATI proprietary drivers may not be an option depending on his system configuration. |
| [15:32:48] | sphery: | But, as long as I don't get blamed when he buys a system that uses a video card he later decides was a bad choice... |
| [15:32:56] | honk: | <sphery> Birmaan_: AMD 780G is the one that requires 3D support for Xv (I have it on my pure-64 laptop and can't play back video except unscaled--i.e. in a tiny little 720x480 window on the 1680x1050 screen). |
| [15:33:02] | honk: | you simply stated that it's not available |
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| [15:33:07] | honk: | which isnt true. |
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| [15:33:41] | honk: | just say "it might not work" next time *lol* |
| [15:33:55] | sphery: | I /never/ said it's not available. |
| [15:34:13] | honk: | "I have it on my pure-64 laptop and can't play back video except unscaled" |
| [15:34:16] | sphery: | I said it doesn't work on my laptop |
| [15:34:29] | honk: | "AMD 780G is the one that requires 3D support for Xv" |
| [15:34:30] | sphery: | I said that I cannot use the ATI proprietary driver on my pure-64 laptop |
| [15:34:41] | honk: | why not btw? |
| [15:34:54] | sphery: | I also implied I don't have 3D support |
| [15:35:25] | sphery: | honk: The ATI drivers do provide Xv support, but note that they're only really usable on a multilib system or on a plain 32-bit system (requires serious hacks--including editing binary files you're not licensed to edit--to make them work on a "pure" 64-bit system) |
| [15:35:32] | sphery: | from earlier |
| [15:35:48] | sphery: | the ATI installer does /not/ support 64-bit only systems |
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| [15:36:08] | honk: | i see :) |
| [15:36:10] | Birmaan_: | ITs getting difficult |
| [15:37:04] | Birmaan_: | I think nvidia/intel is more suiteable ,if i am right |
| [15:37:30] | honk: | there's nothing wrong with amd cards ;p |
| [15:37:45] | honk: | unless you want vdpau :( |
| [15:37:51] | sphery: | 04.05 10:57:23 <+sphery> I actually prefer ATI/AMD, but I'm still using NVIDIA on my systems. |
| [15:38:17] | honk: | r500 cards are pretty nice right now – if you dont need the power newer cards have to offer |
| [15:38:37] | honk: | whatever – my mythtv frontend is running on nvidia, too |
| [15:38:48] | honk: | vdpau is great after all =) |
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| [15:41:03] | Birmaan_: | But do really need that ¨ vdpau¨ |
| [15:41:12] | sphery: | I will /never/ use it |
| [15:41:24] | Birmaan_: | I mean so far we can do without or not |
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| [15:42:01] | sphery: | But some people feel that "hardware decoding" is /always/ better. Just like some people file like digital is /always/ better than analog. |
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| [15:42:34] | honk: | well, h264 hd videos were choppy on my poor athlon x2 |
| [15:42:39] | honk: | vdpau fixed that :] |
| [15:42:42] | honk: | (some of 'em anyway) |
| [15:43:12] | Birmaan_: | is vdpau already avaiable for nvidia cards? |
| [15:43:16] | sphery: | Birmaan_: Anyway, as for the HD 3200, the radeon drivers provide support for it as of 13 Mar 2009 (6.12.0) |
| [15:43:28] | Befriend28: | Hi all I have somehow change from analog to dvb-t on my saa7134 card, and now I am no longer able to find any channels, how do I change it back to analog? |
| [15:44:02] | sphery: | but use 6.12.1 |
| [15:44:05] | sphery: | or higher |
| [15:44:55] | Birmaan_: | brb |
| [15:46:36] | dubstar_04: | Does anyone have any experience with jerky playback on dark frames? |
| [15:47:08] | janneg: | sphery: well it still needs drm bits (direct rendering manager) |
| [15:47:23] | sphery: | right... |
| [15:47:29] | sphery: | that's what I've been trying to say |
| [15:47:50] | sphery: | but I guess I don't understand the terms well enough to have made my point |
| [15:47:53] | janneg: | +updated |
| [15:48:19] | janneg: | bah, , typing over a lagged connection is a pain |
| [15:48:28] | Befriend28: | I was playing around with v4lctl and now I am no longer able to fine any channels ? |
| [15:49:06] | sphery: | Befriend28: if it's just some setting outside of Myth, have you tried just rebooting (to reset everything) |
| [15:49:25] | Befriend28: | sphery yes... |
| [15:49:30] | sphery: | Befriend28: if it's a Myth setting you've changed, the easiest approach may be to use the capture card portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [15:49:36] | Befriend28: | sphery and it don't solve anything |
| [15:50:06] | sphery: | and if you do the capture card portion, only, it won't affect your video sources/channels/recording rules/... |
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| [15:51:50] | Befriend28: | I think I just will reinstall for the 5 time.... I battling big time with sound problems anyways, and I don't think I will be able to solve any of them, without som 4 PIN connector cable. I have asked Asus what it is named, in hop of that I can bye it somewhere |
| [15:54:09] | Befriend28: | Do anybody know what the name is for the connector in the upper right Connor of the diagram og my TV card on this link http://www.legend-support.com/en/pri/?PibItem . . . MTVtunercard It is a 4 PIN thing |
| [15:55:10] | Befriend28: | An do anybody know if I get my hands on that 4 PIN connector if I will be able to connect it to my AUX sound in on my sound card |
| [15:55:47] | sphery: | that looks like the same ones they use for analog audio output on CD/DVD driver (though I can't guarantee it is--or that its pinout is the same) |
| [15:56:25] | Befriend28: | sphery I forth the same thing... but it is to big to fit in the connector.... |
| [15:57:37] | sphery: | well, at least that means you don't have to go out and buy one of those--I'd have felt really bad about the fact that I have about 30 of them in my junk room that I will never use and that shipping one/some to you would have cost more than the cable is worth... |
| [15:58:50] | Befriend28: | sphery :-) I have the same thing.... But I really don't know where to look for the right name for that connector, I have been goggling the afternoon without luck |
| [15:59:05] | Befriend28: | sphery what is it with Asus and support.... :-) |
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| [16:00:03] | dubstar_04: | what would cause the internal player to playback jerky video when all external players are ok? |
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| [16:02:22] | sphery: | dubstar_04: a bad choice of playback profile |
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| [16:02:53] | sphery: | dubstar_04: Change your playback profile group (mythfrontend settings under TV Settings|Playback on about page 3) to Slim... You probably have it on CPU+ right now. |
| [16:03:23] | dubstar_04: | sphery: I have tried all of them, its on normal at the moment |
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| [16:04:37] | sphery: | Befriend28: if you have a bunch of those CD connectors sitting around, it wouldn't be too difficult to rig up a cable yourself... could probably make either 2 jumpers or--if nothing else, the "single-pin connectors" (like they use for connecting case LED's to mobos--whatever those are called) to connect to the TV card |
| [16:05:36] | sphery: | dubstar_04: if it's not the playback profile, it's probably the audio configuration |
| [16:05:36] | dubstar_04: | sphery: its not the video thats jerky it the audio |
| [16:05:54] | sphery: | what's your Audio Output Device and Mixer Device (in General settings) |
| [16:06:32] | dubstar_04: | Alsa:default |
| [16:06:50] | sphery: | ALSA:default , right? (case is important) |
| [16:07:26] | dubstar_04: | yeah ALSA: default |
| [16:07:51] | sphery: | you don't have the experimental/do-not-use-this-setting-if-you-want-your-system-to-work-properly "Use Video as Timebase" setting enabled, do you? |
| [16:08:27] | Befriend28: | sphery It is funny, it is about 1/10 of a centimeter the CD-Rom cable is of in size... It is very |
| [16:08:34] | dubstar_04: | is that the opengl thing? |
| [16:08:45] | Befriend28: | sphery It is funny, it is about 1/10 of a centimeter the CD-Rom cable is of in size... It is very inviting just to cut it a little :-) |
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| [16:10:09] | sphery: | Befriend28: that works, too... assuming same pinout, it would be the easiest way--and if you have a bunch of those (mainly useless) cables sitting around |
| [16:10:41] | Befriend28: | sphery I just got the knife :-) hop it works :-) |
| [16:11:04] | dubstar_04: | sphery: I dont have that option checked no. |
| [16:11:46] | sphery: | (i.e. TTBOMK, the idea was to offload processing of analog output from the CD drive to the sound card so the CPU wasn't involved and with modern CPU's the load is slight, and with modern systems, you're often better off using digital audio extraction to get better audio quality than your CD drive's D/A converter would provide) |
| [16:12:15] | sphery: | so, I never even hook up those cables, anymore |
| [16:14:35] | dubstar_04: | sphery; i just tried mythfrontend from the cmd line and saw this http://paste.ubuntu.com/145000/ |
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| [16:16:00] | sphery: | dubstar_04: that's usually due to a bad audio config |
| [16:16:25] | sphery: | you can get it because of having ALSA set up to only use one rate (i.e. 48kHz audio) and feeding it some other rate (i.e. 32kHz audio) |
| [16:16:42] | sphery: | or you can get it by having too much CPU load |
| [16:16:59] | sphery: | or having a bad audio config |
| [16:17:07] | dubstar_04: | I checked cpu and it never goes above 20% |
| [16:17:36] | sphery: | well, that can be one of the most challenging issues to solve in Myth... |
| [16:17:45] | jarle: | sphery: did you get anywhere with mythweb/tmdb.pl yesterday? |
| [16:18:00] | sphery: | jarle: yep... works perfectly for me (thus the mail to the list) |
| [16:18:32] | sphery: | jarle: I /think/ the problem was that the movie(s) on which you were testing don't work properly due to bugs in tmdb.pl |
| [16:19:25] | sphery: | i.e. like the "Not an ARRAY..." bugs... I had me sh e (so I don't beep her system) fix another one of them, and she said that it looks like there are many of them. She'll be auditing the script when she gets a chance. |
| [16:20:58] | sphery: | jarle: Oh, and the posters I get from tmdb.pl are /soooooooo/ much better than those I got from imdb.pl back when posters still worked on it |
| [16:22:19] | sphery: | jarle: I still don't know why the setting for IMDB stuff wasn't getting saved into my user session, but it wasn't working at all, then /everything/ just started working for me. Might be some kind of caching thing--and if so, it may work properly on your system, now, too |
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| [16:26:55] | jarle: | sphery: I'll do some research... |
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| [16:28:37] | sphery: | jarle: good luck |
| [16:28:58] | sphery: | jarle: note that I've also updated the tmdb.pl page... Might want to just redownload/re-run the "install/configure" commands |
| [16:29:09] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tmdb.pl |
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| [16:30:31] | sphery: | the patch that allows using the imdb.pl command lines is now in trunk, so re-downloading gets all you need (though might also want http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6421 |
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| [16:35:16] | jarle: | what does "DTVSM(3) Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(55540) desired(55560)" mean? Found this in the log during a failed recording, trying to figure out if this is the cause of the failed recording, or if it just a result of EIT scanning a non-updated transport? |
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| [17:11:28] | jarle: | sphery: so far I have tracked it down to imdb.php (in mythweb/video/) returning the imdb-id of the title instead of the tmdb-id of the title... |
| [17:12:06] | sphery: | jarle: we use the imdb id even with tmdb.pl |
| [17:12:24] | sphery: | i.e. one of the fields at tmdb is the imdb id, so you can look up with that |
| [17:12:47] | sphery: | (there's a plan for making it prettier in the future, but right now it just uses the same id's that imdb.pl uses) |
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| [17:25:56] | Kazan: | im moving next week and i'll be changing areas (from 50014 to 50266 zipcode) .. will my recording schedules automatically recognize the new channels when i swtich the listings or am i going to need to go through and do something to make them recognize it |
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| [17:33:06] | sphery: | Kazan: if you used "any channel" recording rules (as 99% of users should always do), it will be no problem. |
| [17:33:32] | sphery: | Kazan: if you used "this channel" rules, you'll have to either delete/re-create the rules or change the rules to any channel rules |
| [17:34:23] | sphery: | (and, if you really want to keep doing it wrong, you can find a showing on the desired channel after you've changed the rule to an any channel rule and then edit the rule to make it a this channel rule) |
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| [17:35:02] | Kazan: | sphery: that's what i figured |
| [17:35:11] | stuarta: | i was more thinking about your guide data |
| [17:35:23] | Kazan: | keep "doing it wrong" how is "this channel" doing it wrong |
| [17:35:25] | tgm4883: | sphery, would the correct way be to have it set as "any channel" then filter "new episodes only" |
| [17:35:42] | Kazan: | the only time i use it is when there are other channels listing showing it that i don't want |
| [17:35:43] | stuarta: | unless you do something to tell it about your changed channels, i can't see you getting data for the new channels |
| [17:35:58] | Kazan: | i do all my editing in mythweb |
| [17:36:06] | Kazan: | i don't see a "new expisodes only" checkbox in here :P |
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| [17:36:08] | Kazan: | maybe im out of date :D |
| [17:36:32] | tgm4883: | Kazan, it's not a checkbox |
| [17:36:45] | Kazan: | oh i see it |
| [17:36:58] | tgm4883: | I just changed all my schedules to that way |
| [17:37:04] | tgm4883: | seems to work very well now |
| [17:37:18] | sphery: | Kazan: it's a filter |
| [17:37:22] | sphery: | in mythweb |
| [17:37:30] | Kazan: | yeah i found it |
| [17:38:04] | tgm4883: | I do that, then set a preferred input |
| [17:38:57] | sphery: | tgm4883: yeah, "any channel" "new episodes only" is better, but IMHO, "any channel" /and/ mark episodes you've seen as "Never Record" is best--i.e. teach your Myth box what you've seen and what you haven't and let /it/ remember it for you |
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| [17:40:04] | sphery: | the preferred input, though, can have undesired results (i.e. preventing you from recording an episode)... |
| [17:40:18] | Kazan: | wee im almost 300 commits out of date |
| [17:40:29] | sphery: | using -fixes? |
| [17:40:31] | Kazan: | ill update tonight :D |
| [17:40:33] | Kazan: | no using trunk |
| [17:40:37] | sphery: | oh |
| [17:40:47] | sphery: | was going to say that may only be a few commits to -fixes |
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| [17:40:53] | Kazan: | .21 was released? |
| [17:40:58] | Kazan: | ooh... what was the SVN revision for .21? |
| [17:41:13] | iamlindoro__: | heh |
| [17:41:14] | stuarta: | 0.21 has been out for at least 12 months |
| [17:41:23] | Kazan: | oh right |
| [17:41:26] | Kazan: | i was thinking .22 :P |
| [17:41:31] | Kazan: | some damn old news on the frontpage |
| [17:42:22] | justinh: | same damn old gripes |
| [17:42:50] | iamlindoro__: | Ah, l'amour |
| [17:43:04] | Kazan: | heh |
| [17:43:30] | Kazan: | i cannot wait until i have extra money to rebuild my storage array again... currently LVM of 250GB, 250GB, 500GB... want to move to a RAID5 of 2TBx3 :D |
| [17:44:07] | iamlindoro__: | Being an early adopter of disk sizes is a poor idea of late |
| [17:44:21] | Kazan: | yeah i know.. it'll be a while before i have the extra money |
| [17:44:30] | Kazan: | by the time i have the money free to do it i won't be an early adopter of 2TBs :P |
| [17:45:04] | justinh: | SG > LVM :) |
| [17:45:32] | stuarta: | but lvm is fun :-p |
| [17:45:46] | iamlindoro__: | "The latest VDPAU patch set is included in minimyth v66b5" |
| [17:45:49] | iamlindoro__: | oh god damn it |
| [17:46:05] | iamlindoro__: | Now there are at least two distros distributing that garbage |
| [17:46:05] | Kazan: | justinh: when i build the box SGs weren't in myth yet |
| [17:46:24] | Kazan: | whats that |
| [17:46:25] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: mythbuntu will be next, if not already |
| [17:46:50] | Kazan: | myth distros using trunk? |
| [17:46:54] | justinh: | no |
| [17:47:03] | iamlindoro__: | Nice to find out which distros don't give a care about doing things properly |
| [17:47:06] | justinh: | myth distros using ill advised patches |
| [17:47:20] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: populist stuff |
| [17:47:46] | Kazan: | whats wrong with the patch |
| [17:48:03] | justinh: | Kazan: it's more the fact that it's using beta features of a driver |
| [17:48:04] | iamlindoro__: | When backports are outlawed outlawed, only outlaws will have backports |
| [17:48:13] | Kazan: | ah |
| [17:48:20] | Kazan: | i know VDPAU is experimental |
| [17:48:21] | iamlindoro__: | There's lots more to it |
| [17:48:22] | Kazan: | but what else? |
| [17:48:41] | justinh: | it's been known to fry video cards |
| [17:48:44] | iamlindoro__: | like him picking random patches from trac that have seen neither review nor commit and including them in the same patch |
| [17:48:59] | iamlindoro__: | like him basing it against a version of myth using a totally different libavcodec |
| [17:49:22] | iamlindoro__: | like him taking credit for the work as though he had written a single line of code |
| [17:49:26] | iamlindoro__: | so yeah, scorn. |
| [17:49:39] | Kazan: | yeah |
| [17:49:44] | Kazan: | who is "him"? |
| [17:49:51] | justinh: | Jean Yves Avenard |
| [17:50:13] | Kazan: | ah.. i thought you might have been talking about Axel |
| [17:50:56] | iamlindoro__: | How would Axel have come into this? |
| [17:51:13] | bulle: | Axel F |
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| [17:51:42] | Kazan: | Axel Thimm, ATRPMS |
| [17:51:50] | iamlindoro__: | I'm aware of who he is |
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| [17:51:56] | iamlindoro__: | why would we have been referencing him? |
| [17:51:56] | ** bulle was not ** | |
| [17:51:57] | Kazan: | atrpms had a reputation for breaking fedora installs :P |
| [17:51:58] | bulle: | Kazan: thanks |
| [17:52:12] | justinh: | ugh. glass-wide for 0.22? somebody having a laff shirley |
| [17:52:18] | snakedog: | hi again, my mythwebs channels have somehow been mixed, is there a easy way to fix this? :( |
| [17:52:23] | iamlindoro__: | You know I hate it when you call me shirley |
| [17:52:26] | bulle: | Kazan: well, it could take some manual hammering around if you used atrpms that for sure =) |
| [17:52:41] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: it's the weekend, thought it was OK ;) |
| [17:53:06] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, only when we're on the town and I'm dressed up |
| [17:53:13] | Kazan: | heh the first time i activated atrpms on a machine it was my development box at work |
| [17:53:24] | Kazan: | axel had rebuilt all of X |
| [17:53:31] | Kazan: | so it kaboshed the official rpms for X |
| [17:53:41] | Kazan: | and... i spent a day unfsck()ing my system |
| [17:53:49] | justinh: | sitting here at a bit of a loose end thinking hmmm ... now I have an itch to scratch.. and then I think "hmmm theming for mythui".. and then I remember that damn autowidth thing & scream silently |
| [17:54:19] | iamlindoro__: | oh come now |
| [17:54:22] | iamlindoro__: | that wasn't silent |
| [17:54:28] | Kazan: | i am having one problem i cannot quite fix |
| [17:54:42] | justinh: | screw it. time to reboot into loonix |
| [17:54:42] | Kazan: | commflag is causing major system stutters.. i think it is related to disk access |
| [17:55:08] | Kazan: | i saw something in the timeline about changing system calls related to ext3 improving performance... think that might do it? |
| [17:55:11] | Kazan: | my LVM is ext3 |
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| [17:55:39] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: what's the first distro to include the patches |
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| [17:56:24] | stuarta: | ext3 isn't the best, XFS is much better |
| [17:57:06] | Kazan: | no fs wars pls :P |
| [17:57:17] | Kazan: | lets just all wait for btfs |
| [17:57:40] | gbee: | for a media partition you really want xfs, for your home/root ext3 etc |
| [17:57:51] | Kazan: | btrfs* |
| [17:57:51] | kormoc_: | sphery, minimyth |
| [17:57:59] | Kazan: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Btrfs |
| [17:58:10] | sphery: | Kazan: you mean you just saw the patches that janne put in within the last 24 hrs that should improve performance with ext3 |
| [17:58:28] | gbee: | with the last 12 hours even |
| [17:58:29] | sphery: | though I'm betting that ext3/those calls aren't the root of your problem if mythcommflag is causing issues |
| [17:58:46] | sphery: | more likely it's something else more akin to normal prebuffering pause issues |
| [17:58:57] | sphery: | kormoc_: ah... |
| [17:59:00] | gbee: | more likely it's having your database on the same disk as the media |
| [17:59:09] | Kazan: | sphery: bingo |
| [17:59:17] | Kazan: | sphery: well it appears commflag is causing disk conjestion |
| [17:59:20] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc_, Well there's one other before them (The former knopp) |
| [17:59:30] | Kazan: | sphery: more precisely it appears to happen when it is commflagging an HD program |
| [17:59:40] | Kazan: | my db is on a different disk than the media |
| [18:00:03] | Kazan: | http://kazan.gotdns.org/phpsysinfo/ |
| [18:00:15] | Kazan: | ignore the System term reading.. the sensor is bad |
| [18:00:35] | sphery: | Kazan: then perhaps it's the "all my recordings are belong to one filesystem" configuration you're using |
| [18:00:40] | sphery: | SG >>>>> LVM :) |
| [18:00:42] | Kazan: | db is on / |
| [18:00:46] | Kazan: | storage is /media/mythtv |
| [18:01:14] | Kazan: | sphery: wouldn't be suprising... ext3 + performance issue + lvm performance hit = whagarbl |
| [18:01:34] | janneg: | gbee: well, the patches today help only if written becomes exactly tfw_min_write_size, which I can't reproduce |
| [18:01:39] | Kazan: | like i said eventually im going to switch to a 2TBx3 disk RAID5 and hopefully by then btrfs will be stable |
| [18:01:56] | Kazan: | hey janneg |
| [18:02:00] | janneg: | the capturing from cx18 devices seems to trigger that reliable though |
| [18:02:04] | Kazan: | did you ever figure out what was going on with that video sample i sent you |
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| [18:02:29] | Kazan: | i have a Kworld ATSC-110 and a Hauppauge PVR-500 |
| [18:02:48] | janneg: | Kazan: I can't rememmber, probably not |
| [18:03:03] | sphery: | janneg: I was thinking of [20303] |
| [18:03:22] | Kazan: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/20303 |
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| [18:04:23] | janneg: | sphery: yeah, but gbee was thinking of [20307] and [20308] |
| [18:04:29] | ** justinh shoots network manager in the head. Repeatedly ** | |
| [18:04:36] | Kazan: | lol |
| [18:05:01] | justinh: | just effing start the network & don't ask me for a password.. more to the point, tell me if I got the bloody password wrong |
| [18:05:07] | ** stuarta trys to work out the aspect ratio of 1152x864 ** | |
| [18:05:42] | stuarta: | 1.33 |
| [18:05:42] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, I'm still fond of the "start after mysql and mythbackend and leave them spooling errors off into the ether until you realize it" |
| [18:05:44] | sphery: | janneg: the guy who posted the patch at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6406 is planning to update the ticket to just mention the ffmpeg SVN changeset(s) (or revision of file with updates) that he backported. And the update is already in trunk's mythtv/libs/libavformat/mpeg.c . |
| [18:05:53] | justinh: | elkin is an official mythweb skin now? hm |
| [18:06:03] | sphery: | janneg: he claims that it fixes the non-responsiveness during playback that a lot of users are starting to see, FWIW |
| [18:06:28] | meshe: | yeah, because you don't need network on boot, what are you thinking?!?!?!?! |
| [18:06:38] | iamlindoro__: | heh |
| [18:06:47] | kormoc_: | justinh, aye, first user submitted skin ever |
| [18:06:50] | meshe: | it's not like you're using a networked operating system |
| [18:06:53] | iamlindoro__: | I really hope the ubuntu folks got that all figured out for the next version |
| [18:06:54] | sphery: | and you don't run servers on Ubuntu, right? |
| [18:07:00] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: oh noes! somebody could just pick up my laptop and.. connect to my home network using my laptop! Eeeeek! |
| [18:07:03] | justinh: | I hope they junk this crap in the next run |
| [18:07:25] | iamlindoro__: | If one can't convince them to dump pulse, odds are NM is here to stay too :) |
| [18:07:25] | kormoc_: | justinh, you *could* junk ubuntu right now... :P |
| [18:07:41] | justinh: | I mean yeah sure give us the _option_ to be all secret squirrel about it but ffs |
| [18:07:54] | kormoc_: | NM is actually kinda nice when done correctly (in addition to boot networking, not replacing) |
| [18:08:18] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc_, Yeah, the either/or is what stinks |
| [18:08:20] | meshe: | vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| [18:08:45] | justinh: | might have to take FC for a test drive at some point |
| [18:08:48] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc_, even just presenting the user with an option at boot time, ie "What kind of system will this be? Desktop. Server. Mix." |
| [18:08:55] | justinh: | or something else |
| [18:08:57] | iamlindoro__: | and then configure networking as appropriate |
| [18:09:02] | sphery: | Someone was telling me there's a way to configure NM correctly such that at boot a non-GUI "backend" is started and it starts the network, then when the GUI is started a frontend applet is started to display information provided to it from the backend... |
| [18:09:02] | ** kormoc_ nods ** | |
| [18:09:08] | meshe: | if you want server you download the server version |
| [18:09:29] | justinh: | what is even the point of network manager? |
| [18:09:30] | sphery: | don't know if that's actually true (as I don't use NM), but if not, whoever designed NM wasn't thinking straight |
| [18:09:31] | iamlindoro__: | er, and I meant install time, of course |
| [18:09:52] | meshe: | making wireless easier to manage basically |
| [18:10:12] | justinh: | I'm not naive enough to think I can just uninstall it. I tried that with the fast user switch applet |
| [18:10:12] | meshe: | but it really should come up on boot *before* all of your services that require netowrking |
| [18:10:20] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, The *theory* as I understand it is that /etc/network/interfaces is supposed to override NM when configured-- but there appears to be some bug in Ubuntu that prevents that working in some (most?) cases |
| [18:10:34] | justinh: | meshe: but if it starts before the gui stuff how will I type in the password? :-P |
| [18:10:58] | kormoc_: | So the real issue here is NM is a fedora project/app, Ubuntu took it, tossed it on their build and called it good without actually fixing the broken functionality |
| [18:11:08] | justinh: | pfft |
| [18:11:10] | meshe: | you should be able to store the password and have a... er... "Save this password"... no, wait, that's silly... |
| [18:11:17] | sphery: | heh, I'm picturing an init script that halts startup until you type in a password on the text console... :) |
| [18:11:43] | gbee: | the network manager and network configuration in general was thing I had the most problems with when I tried Ubuntu |
| [18:11:43] | sphery: | of course, if Ubuntu is truly doing async init scripts, that won't work, either :) |
| [18:11:44] | kormoc_: | sphery, Apache with a ssl cert that has a passcode? Cryptofs root partition? It happens :) |
| [18:11:46] | justinh: | this forcing their will on us isn't what OSS is supposed to be about |
| [18:12:01] | sphery: | kormoc_: scary |
| [18:12:14] | justinh: | oh well. next chance I get, they're going bye byes |
| [18:12:56] | justinh: | I don't have passwords on any of my boxes except for anything over ssh, which is risky I suppose but... |
| [18:13:21] | ** kormoc_ breaks into justinh's house to root his boxorz ** | |
| [18:13:59] | ** justinh wonders if kormoc_ has been taking lessons from dustybin ** | |
| [18:14:01] | meshe: | justinh: same, my internal network is pretty much wide open, i just rely on the router to keep my safe, the one box i can ssh into here is a 17 char alpha numeric password |
| [18:14:29] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, Naw, kormoc at least knows that he can't use wireshark over the internet at large to capture your PW ;) |
| [18:14:30] | gbee: | if I was made to enter my wifi password each time I'd go crazy, it's a 63 character random string |
| [18:14:55] | kormoc_: | justinh, I might just have to kill myself after that statement... ouch! |
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| [18:15:10] | meshe: | gbee: with nm you set a keyring password that gives you access to all your wifi passwords |
| [18:15:35] | justinh: | meshe: having to enter a password at _all_ is a freakin PITA |
| [18:15:52] | meshe: | i think it's optional |
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| [18:16:24] | meshe: | my work laptop connects to my home and work wifi's without me entering a password |
| [18:16:37] | meshe: | but it's ubuntu 7.x |
| [18:18:15] | justinh: | bloody hell still checking out |
| [18:19:23] | justinh: | gbee: sent a complaint to the ICO earlier today. should be interesting to see what happens. my neighbours are incandescent |
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| [18:20:45] | stuarta: | justinh: what's an ICO? |
| [18:20:56] | justinh: | information commission officer |
| [18:21:02] | iamlindoro__: | The greatest PS2 game of all time |
| [18:21:08] | justinh: | s/officer/office |
| [18:21:14] | stuarta: | kk |
| [18:21:40] | justinh: | stuarta: randomly googled my street name & found a pdf with details of all the land owners & a map |
| [18:21:51] | kormoc: | justinh, so... you're gonna get all 1984 on someone? |
| [18:22:09] | stuarta: | ooo, er.... |
| [18:22:11] | justinh: | stuff you're not supposed to be able to find outside of the HM Land Registry.. searchable by anybody – for a fee |
| [18:22:25] | iamlindoro__: | Hm. Maybe I need to install a PS2 emu so I can play ICO again |
| [18:22:37] | justinh: | but indexed.. and cached.. by google... aaaht of ordaaaah! |
| [18:23:31] | sphery: | justinh: I found out last night that my county has a Google Street View-like app that shows all the properties in the county with overhead and N/S/E/W-facing views... Guess they're hiring some guy to fly over every square foot of the county with a plane that does the same type of thing as Google's Street View van. |
| [18:23:35] | justinh: | having data held & sold by the likes of 192.com is bad enough but this... |
| [18:24:04] | sphery: | and the scariest part is that they constantly update it (my house last shot on Dec 28, 2008) |
| [18:24:27] | justinh: | microsoft virtual earth has great views of my street in isometric projection |
| [18:24:38] | justinh: | very up to date too |
| [18:25:14] | sphery: | if you click on any of the houses, it takes you to the public tax records--including full name and address and pricing on sale of house and taxes and ... |
| [18:25:42] | justinh: | guess I'm going to have to be careful about who I piss off in future :P |
| [18:26:10] | justinh: | sphery: dental records? |
| [18:26:57] | justinh: | and to think that a while ago I wasn't opposed to a central database of everything. meh |
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| [18:27:20] | justinh: | I wouldn't care but Oldham Council aren't the ones I pay my tax to |
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| [18:28:30] | sphery: | heh, I didn't even notice that link to the dental records. |
| [18:28:58] | sphery: | wow, sounds like myth is now the application that just keeps going... |
| [18:29:17] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, this proctological exam report is worrisome |
| [18:29:23] | iamlindoro__: | I think you should see someone |
| [18:29:37] | sphery: | Unkillable Myth... We could set up a bounty for $1M to the person who can kill Myth. (Like the "Unbreakable Oracle" guarantee.) |
| [18:29:54] | justinh: | been doing a bit of research & similar things have happened here where councils published information inadvertently & folks had their house ownership changed without them knowing |
| [18:30:09] | sphery: | wow... that's pretty scary |
| [18:30:22] | sphery: | I'd hate to one day find that my house is no longer mine |
| [18:30:28] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: how do you think it happened? I'll tell her to go easy in future :P |
| [18:30:52] | iamlindoro__: | There's a good lad, you'll be all right |
| [18:31:23] | justinh: | sphery: that's the whole problem with this ID card stuff... if somebody manages to feck the database how do you prove it's wrong? if the title deed for your house/land is changed what recourse do you have? |
| [18:32:26] | AndyCap: | sphery: you're paying 1 mill for someone to put a contract out on you guys? :P |
| [18:33:20] | justinh: | tum te tumm... still checking out |
| [18:33:25] | justinh: | gawd my wireless sucks in linux |
| [18:33:45] | gbee: | s/linux/ubuntu/ |
| [18:33:56] | justinh: | ahhaaa true :) |
| [18:34:35] | justinh: | jees I could be 10 revs behind already |
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| [18:35:23] | gbee: | justinh: do not upgrade, just made that mistake, 5 minutes later mythbackend and mythfrontend locked hard and couldn't be killed |
| [18:35:46] | justinh: | heh |
| [18:35:48] | justinh: | had no choice |
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| [18:36:19] | justinh: | besides I don't really need mythbackend to do what I plan to do |
| [18:36:24] | ** stuarta makes a note not to try that just yet ** | |
| [18:36:55] | ** meshe goes to look into iamlindoro__'s season/ep patch ** | |
| [18:37:23] | iamlindoro__: | meshe, There's a halfway decent chance it'll get committed this weekend, so you may want to hold off |
| [18:37:32] | iamlindoro__: | (Not that I'm not thrilled about people wanting to try it) |
| [18:38:23] | meshe: | for now I just want to look it over and see the changes |
| [18:38:34] | meshe: | i can wait till the trunk update |
| [18:38:54] | iamlindoro__: | ah, #6346 then |
| [18:39:13] | meshe: | thanks :) |
| [18:39:55] | iamlindoro__: | np |
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| [18:57:51] | ** iamlindoro__ facepalms at the people arguing for RAID 0 recording directories ** | |
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| [19:02:54] | meshe: | aren't SATA drives fast enough on their own? |
| [19:03:02] | iamlindoro__: | Very yes |
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| [19:03:33] | iamlindoro__: | Lots of folks are under the mistaken impression that HD video is > 2–3 MB a second |
| [19:04:07] | iamlindoro__: | But you try to explain that and they give you some anecdotal story about how something stuttered or whatever until they went RAID 0 |
| [19:04:23] | meshe: | heh |
| [19:05:12] | meshe: | my storage directories are on lvm, done before i knew about storage directories |
| [19:06:03] | meshe: | er groups* |
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| [19:08:18] | iamlindoro__: | Heh at TMDb having "The Cutting Edge" 2 and 3, but not the original |
| [19:08:21] | iamlindoro__: | well, it's got it now... |
| [19:11:54] | iamlindoro__: | I get irked that 8 out of 10 films created have the title added and nothing more, so I make sure to go the whole 9 yards on the ones I create |
| [19:12:02] | iamlindoro__: | Not even sure what the point is when all you put is the title |
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| [19:18:11] | kormoc: | so you have an id and when someone else does the work, it'll fill in |
| [19:18:29] | iamlindoro__: | heh. Nasty, but very possible :) |
| [19:19:54] | iamlindoro__: | As long as it doesn't become a job I'll keep adding every movie I have that they don't |
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| [19:20:16] | ** kormoc buys iamlindoro a pile of movies ** | |
| [19:20:27] | iamlindoro__: | Heh |
| [19:20:35] | iamlindoro__: | I've got a mountain of my own to get through |
| [19:21:04] | iamlindoro__: | The new changer is making it a lot less painful though |
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| [19:21:33] | iamlindoro__: | rigged up a script to rip and dump into a rip where I can just rename and move into MythVideo, so the only work is any missing emtadata |
| [19:21:36] | iamlindoro__: | metadata |
| [19:22:08] | iamlindoro__: | I've found that "Wiki commons $actorname" is a great search to find legal pictures for casts |
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| [19:41:51] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: coming to 0.24... facial recognition lookup of metadata :-P |
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| [19:42:13] | iamlindoro__: | Oooh! Let me know when it's done, I'll backport it |
| [19:42:54] | justinh: | it'll need > qt5.0 but that's of no consequence with a backport of such importance |
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| [19:43:44] | justinh: | heh trunk mythtv builds in 27 mins without a cc cache |
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| [19:44:59] | iamlindoro__: | QFaceTrace metadata; |
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| [19:45:18] | iamlindoro__: | metadata.GetFaceAt(100,400); |
| [19:46:16] | dubstar_04: | does anyone know how to solve this: WriteAudio: buffer underrun |
| [19:46:16] | dubstar_04: | ? |
| [19:46:17] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: you could tie it in with the all-new MythCastReplace plugin which will automagically remap faces onto actors in programmes |
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| [19:46:41] | justinh: | aka MythFanPorn |
| [19:48:29] | justinh: | aaanyway... since this machine's checkout was so blimmin slow .. it's getting on for winding down time.. so no playing with code tonight |
| [19:50:12] | dubstar_04: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/145000/ |
| [19:51:36] | justinh: | heh plugins build in just over 6 minutes. I need MOARGHZ |
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| [20:04:58] | jarle: | dubstar_04: this is often just a sign of a system that is not capable of keeping up, often has to do with video-driver problem and such... |
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| [20:06:13] | jarle: | dubstar_04: you did try google? |
| [20:06:51] | dubstar_04: | jarle: I have spent about a week googling and searching but nothing has worked |
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| [20:08:55] | dubstar_04: | this is odd http://paste.ubuntu.com/145116/ |
| [20:09:07] | jarle: | dubstar_04: you get this message all the time? |
| [20:09:32] | dubstar_04: | i think so |
| [20:09:53] | iamlindoro__: | dubstar_04, Wild guess, ubuntu? |
| [20:10:00] | dubstar_04: | yeah |
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| [20:10:09] | dubstar_04: | what makes you say that? |
| [20:10:15] | iamlindoro__: | If it's just plain ubuntu, there are some pretty sever problems with pulseaudio |
| [20:10:22] | iamlindoro__: | er sever |
| [20:10:26] | iamlindoro__: | darn it |
| [20:10:28] | iamlindoro__: | severe |
| [20:11:14] | dubstar_04: | i have only has these problems a few weeks, it must have been an update or something |
| [20:11:40] | iamlindoro__: | And I'd bet if you were on regular ALSA rather than pulse you might be a-ok |
| [20:12:44] | dubstar_04: | iamlindoro_: do you have any ideas how to solve it? its driving me madd |
| [20:13:20] | iamlindoro__: | dubstar_04, I know there are some ubuntu howtos out there for removing pulse and adding ALSA, but I can't point at one in particular I'm afraid |
| [20:13:35] | dubstar_04: | ok |
| [20:13:50] | jams: | or scrap it all and use OSS |
| [20:14:37] | dubstar_04: | i am going to scrap something if i cant watch a film without the audio skipping when the scenes fade |
| [20:16:23] | iamlindoro__: | dubstar_04, There was even talk yesterday of adding a refusal to compile myth if pulse is present, that's how obnoxious some of the issues are |
| [20:16:37] | iamlindoro__: | It's not a promise that it'll fix everything, but I have a strong suspicion that it might |
| [20:16:59] | dubstar_04: | what is pulseaudio? |
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| [20:18:16] | cesman: | google knows |
| [20:18:23] | iamlindoro__: | the default sound server in Ubuntu as of the current version-- if you do a bit of reading on it, you'll find that there are TONS of issues with it |
| [20:22:02] | jarle: | when it does works it works good though |
| [20:22:35] | iamlindoro__: | When it comes to myth, pulse is all loss and no gain |
| [20:22:47] | iamlindoro__: | absolutely *nothing* is gained from using Pulse and myth |
| [20:22:57] | iamlindoro__: | which is why it's ripped out by default in mythbuntu |
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| [20:24:50] | ** jarle is not using pulse on my mythsystem ** | |
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| [20:29:45] | ** kormoc wonders if the patch to refuse to run myth when pulse audio is present is in -trunk yet or not ** | |
| [20:30:37] | iamlindoro__: | Heh, don't think so, maybe daniel cooled down |
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| [20:36:55] | iamlindoro__: | Wonder if steam will be not retarded today |
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| [20:42:02] | jams: | kormoc- not yet |
| [20:45:09] | justinh: | heheh Poundland have HD-DVD discs of all three Matrix films for.. guess how much... |
| [20:49:25] | iamlindoro__: | (poundsign)15 |
| [20:49:45] | iamlindoro__: | Those disks live in my MythVideo :) |
| [20:50:00] | iamlindoro__: | You also get a fourth disk with all the animatrix and documentaries, it's a good collection |
| [20:52:09] | justinh: | nah not at poundland |
| [20:52:40] | iamlindoro__: | boo |
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| [21:13:13] | justinh: | think I'll wait til the bluray discs are a quid each :) |
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| [21:32:23] | Igg-man: | Is there any way around cards reumbering themselves? |
| [21:36:57] | kormoc: | use udev? |
| [21:41:59] | dj_ryan: | has anyone noticed that mythvideo and mp4 video files seem to have time problems? |
| [21:42:33] | dj_ryan: | as in the player doesnt seem to be in sync with the real point of the program, so "rewind" will regularily put forward in time |
| [21:42:47] | kormoc: | you need to re/build the seek table |
| [21:43:05] | dj_ryan: | so, this is a video i generated using handbrake |
| [21:43:07] | dj_ryan: | suggestions? |
| [21:43:28] | kormoc: | use mythcommflag to re/build the seek table? |
| [21:43:54] | dj_ryan: | well i was hoping to have handbrake make these files correctly |
| [21:44:08] | dj_ryan: | the seek table is a part of the mp4 file right? |
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| [21:44:19] | kormoc: | nope, myth stores it in the database |
| [21:44:45] | dj_ryan: | ah |
| [21:44:57] | dj_ryan: | something is wrong with the videomanager then... |
| [21:45:34] | kormoc: | Why would you say that? |
| [21:46:03] | dj_ryan: | well, why would i have to 'rebuild' the seek table |
| [21:46:14] | dj_ryan: | surely when i use the videomanager to scan these files it should do something |
| [21:46:15] | kormoc: | because it's missing? |
| [21:46:19] | kormoc: | erm |
| [21:46:26] | kormoc: | only if you want your scan to take ages |
| [21:46:39] | kormoc: | but anyway, patches are always welcome, so feel free to code up the feature |
| [21:46:57] | dj_ryan: | right, of course :-) |
| [21:47:06] | dj_ryan: | I'll fit it in there somewhere |
| [21:47:09] | dj_ryan: | dunno |
| [21:47:16] | dj_ryan: | bad user experience |
| [21:47:40] | iamlindoro__: | free software |
| [21:47:46] | dj_ryan: | sure |
| [21:47:48] | iamlindoro__: | nothing owed to the user |
| [21:47:57] | kormoc: | or just don't use a format that requires extra steps to playback correctly? |
| [21:48:17] | dj_ryan: | that would also make sense sure |
| [21:48:19] | dj_ryan: | i like AVI! |
| [21:49:48] | dj_ryan: | ill go fix the wiki for mythvideo |
| [21:49:58] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [21:50:00] | dj_ryan: | big warning on top: "avoid mp4 files unless you like snide irc comments" |
| [21:50:01] | kormoc: | the wiki is broken? |
| [21:50:02] | iamlindoro__: | Ooof, no support for B frames, no pixel aspect ratio info, and all metadata at the *end* of the file. AVI is *horrible* |
| [21:50:07] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [21:50:17] | iamlindoro__: | AVI says all pixels are square. Yuck. |
| [21:50:33] | dj_ryan: | so, what is your container of choice |
| [21:50:43] | kormoc: | dj_ryan, what do you want? The format requires extra steps, or you can use a different format... what do you want us to say? |
| [21:52:50] | dj_ryan: | so im sitting here, looking at various file formats i can generate, AVI sucks, mp4 sucks, but now we are left with weird semi-supported ones like mkv and ogm etc |
| [21:53:10] | dj_ryan: | and you're telling me in a snotty and annoying attitude not to use "formats that require extra steps to playback correctly" |
| [21:53:14] | iamlindoro__: | nothing weird or semi supported about either of those, both play fine in mythvideo |
| [21:53:18] | ** kormoc isghs ** | |
| [21:53:21] | kormoc: | dj_ryan, |
| [21:53:31] | kormoc: | I said if you don't want to do the extra steps, don't use a format that erquires them |
| [21:53:54] | dj_ryan: | iamlindoro__: but video is for consumption for multiple sources, and quicktime doesnt support the last two. |
| [21:54:01] | kormoc: | dj_ryan, and if you think I'm being snoty by stating reality, I fail to see how you can expect to interact with any other human on the planet... christ almight... |
| [21:54:05] | dj_ryan: | kormoc: right, so i am helpfully editing the mythvideo wiki |
| [21:54:08] | dj_ryan: | to let people know |
| [21:54:34] | iamlindoro__: | Has nothing to do with mythvideo, mythvideo isn't the player |
| [21:54:34] | kormoc: | to let people know what? That we didn't bend overbackwards and write you up a custom patch to do what you want? |
| [21:54:41] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [21:54:42] | dj_ryan: | no no |
| [21:54:48] | dj_ryan: | to let people know |
| [21:54:55] | kormoc: | to know *WHAT*? |
| [21:54:56] | dj_ryan: | that mp4s are fully supported unless you do this extra non-documented step |
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| [21:55:00] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [21:55:09] | kormoc: | you don't even understand the issue... |
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| [21:55:37] | dj_ryan: | mp4s dont playback correctly out of the box |
| [21:55:41] | iamlindoro__: | mp4s play fine |
| [21:55:44] | dj_ryan: | that is the user-facing issue, tech behind |
| [21:55:46] | kormoc: | *your* mp4's don't |
| [21:55:48] | iamlindoro__: | handbrake produces broken MP4s |
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| [21:56:01] | dj_ryan: | iamlindoro__: do tell more.... |
| [21:56:42] | iamlindoro__: | Not sure what else to say |
| [21:56:44] | kormoc: | there's a billion options to use to generate a mp4, not all of them work without requiring a seek table, your mp4's fall into that group, hence why you would need to build a seek table... |
| [21:57:05] | iamlindoro__: | It's a well known fact that handbrake muces several of its container formats improperly, MP4 included |
| [21:57:08] | iamlindoro__: | er muxes |
| [21:57:22] | iamlindoro__: | they only recently fixed the muxing on mkv, which now seeks properly |
| [21:57:53] | iamlindoro__: | if you take the exact same audio and video stream, and mux them with MP4box, they'll miraculously seek and play fine |
| [21:58:18] | dj_ryan: | interesting |
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| [22:01:59] | dj_ryan: | well thanks for a small amount of information extracted in a painful manner. |
| [22:02:21] | iamlindoro__: | thanks for making it so worthwhile |
| [22:02:33] | RyeBrye: | dj_ryan: you are welcome for both that and for the several hundred thousand lines of code you are now using for free |
| [22:03:11] | dj_ryan: | whatever, you wouldnt do it if it wasnt interesting to you |
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| [22:03:24] | dj_ryan: | thats the point of open source, and i say this as a lifelong user and contributor |
| [22:03:33] | kormoc: | Sure, but you make it *so* worthwhile to continue to give it out.... |
| [22:03:42] | ** iamlindoro__ wonders what parts of myth came from dj_ryan ** | |
| [22:03:52] | iamlindoro__: | I'm sure I use and enjoy them regularly |
| [22:03:52] | dj_ryan: | i didnt say i contributed to myth |
| [22:04:01] | iamlindoro__: | Then what do I care about your alleged contributions? |
| [22:04:16] | iamlindoro__: | You don't get a vote *here* |
| [22:04:22] | kormoc: | I'm sure you like it when your users call you snoody.... |
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| [22:06:44] | kormoc: | I mean, all I did was answer your question on how to fix your problem, you just decided to assume that it was a problem affecting *everyone* and rather then asking why decided to call me snody and threaten to post about it on the wiki so others would be warned of my answer... Highlight of my day... |
| [22:06:48] | ** kormoc grumbles ** | |
| [22:07:39] | dj_ryan: | well |
| [22:07:46] | dj_ryan: | 14:47 <+kormoc> or just don't use a format that requires extra steps to playback correctly? |
| [22:07:49] | dj_ryan: | so |
| [22:07:53] | dj_ryan: | that sounds like a problem that affects everyone |
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| [22:08:33] | dj_ryan: | anyways |
| [22:08:36] | dj_ryan: | horse dead, beaten |
| [22:08:42] | dj_ryan: | time to get an apple tv! |
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| [22:09:00] | iamlindoro__: | ... |
| [22:09:11] | kormoc: | good riddance |
| [22:09:44] | iamlindoro__: | This is exactly the reason the existence of other HTPC apps is a good thing |
| [22:09:56] | iamlindoro__: | So that people like that have somewhere to go that's not ehre |
| [22:09:58] | iamlindoro__: | er here |
| [22:10:55] | iamlindoro__: | I like how it went from being an argument about how Myth is broken to one about how we didn't blow enough sunshine up his behind |
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| [22:16:28] | Toast: | I'm getting the following error when running mythtv-setup. "mythtv-setup: ../../src/xcb_lock.c:77: _XGetXCBBuffer: Assertion `((int) ((xcb_req) – (dpy->request)) >= 0)' failed." Googling suggests that the problem is probably an error in mythtv-setup, in the way it interacts with libx11–6. Has anyone seen this before? |
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| [22:35:58] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, hmm, great info |
| [22:36:13] | iamlindoro__: | maybe it can be used to squelch out the users of mythfrontend as root :) |
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| [22:38:39] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: that's what I'm hoping, too. |
| [22:38:54] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, Definitely worth having that in the wiki, too |
| [22:39:28] | iamlindoro__: | Not ordering you around, just saying :) |
| [22:39:30] | sphery: | I guess I was a bit too presumptuous saying SELinux and assuming that no one in their right mind runs mythfrontend setuid root, anymore |
| [22:39:55] | sphery: | you mean how to make it work? That's a hack... Best bet is to remove the setuid |
| [22:40:07] | iamlindoro__: | Now of course you'll get a torrent of "BUT NO! I have to run as root because $LameExcuse!" |
| [22:40:17] | ** kormoc looks guilty ** | |
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| [22:40:33] | kormoc: | I'm suid rooting cause I'm too lazy to setup the other ways :P |
| [22:41:00] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, People savvy enough to work around it are exempted |
| [22:41:46] | sphery: | kormoc: d'oh |
| [22:42:23] | kormoc: | sphery, I do fully admit that I'm doing a bad thing and if it breaks, I'd be happy to fix it up right |
| [22:43:34] | sphery: | I don't know my Perl well enough to say for sure, but if one were to mv MythVideoCommon.pm to /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/*/MythTV , would it just work all of a sudden or would you have to do an ldconfig-like rescan with some perl thing... |
| [22:44:05] | kormoc: | should just work afaik |
| [22:44:31] | sphery: | cool... |
| [22:44:51] | sphery: | If I have to, I'll explain that on the list, but I'm hoping people will start setting up their scheduling right. ;) |
| [22:45:16] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: aren't there still some distros that run mythfrontend as root? |
| [22:45:33] | iamlindoro__: | are there? |
| [22:45:43] | sphery: | I'm thinking it's one that's like the center of an old style hat... |
| [22:46:02] | iamlindoro__: | wow |
| [22:48:07] | iamlindoro__: | guess I need to finally exorcise pulseaudio on my dev machine |
| [22:48:38] | sphery: | kormoc: so, your comment earlier about the whether the puse patch was already in trunk... does that mean you have another thing you need to change in your system config, now? |
| [22:50:07] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [22:50:23] | kormoc: | Nah, I'm a avid 'the fewer levels the better' sorta guy |
| [22:50:33] | kormoc: | I don't even do dmix on my mythbox, as it's only doing the one stream |
| [22:50:36] | sphery: | cool |
| [22:51:29] | iamlindoro__: | Pulse assassinated |
| [22:51:31] | iamlindoro__: | yay |
| [22:51:45] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: you have no Pulse? Vampire? |
| [22:51:56] | ** sphery has been hearing /way/ too much about Twilight lately ** | |
| [22:56:23] | iamlindoro__: | whew, fixed that not a moment too soon :) |
| [22:56:29] | iamlindoro__: | [20310] |
| [23:01:48] | iamlindoro__: | hahaah @ "A/V Sync destruction daemon" |
| [23:03:25] | sphery: | who called it that? |
| [23:04:20] | iamlindoro__: | It's in the commit |
| [23:04:26] | iamlindoro__: | in the code |
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| [23:43:06] | Kazan: | PulseAudio being installed by default has to be one ot he DUMBEST things distros have done in a while |
| [23:43:34] | Kazan: | way too much "ooh that's cool – let's include it!" geeking in the design process of distros and not enough "are the majority of users going to use this? no, then don't install it by default" |
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