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Friday, April 3rd, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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mycosys:

wagnerrp: justinh: thanks so much guys – XvMC is working perfectly – not quite sure why it wasnt atm – which will be interesting to figure out lol. $100 for FullHD PVR with 48cm trinitron and 5.1 (price includes the lot, apart from mobo and ram and case and psu from junk pile). yet another reason i love linux – woot

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batrams:

Hi – I set up a new myth combo front/back box but an having trouble fixing jittery sound and video. I've tried lots of stuff I found by reading online but still have the trouble. Can anyone offer some suggestions?

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wagnerrp:

what video source, what processor, what video card?

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batrams:

CPU AMD|A64 X2 4400+ 2.3G

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batrams:

HAUPPAUGE 1187 HVR-1250

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wagnerrp:

a 4400 should be able to handle anything you get over ATSC or QAM

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wagnerrp:

what video card?

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batrams:

GeForce 6200LE 512MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express x16 Video Card

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batrams:

playback is from the DVI using a DVI to HDMI cable

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wagnerrp:

and youre using the nvidia drivers? ('nvidia' not 'nv') and using the Xv blitter?

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iamlindoro_:

CPU+->Slim

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iamlindoro_:

Go to playback profiles and change from the former to the latter

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batrams:

am using nvidia

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batrams:

What is Xv blitter ?

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batrams:

I have tried every profile with some success, but mainly failure

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batrams:

nvidia card and tuner share an IRQ – not sure if this matters since both are pcie

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wagnerrp:

shouldnt matter

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wagnerrp:

IRQs are largely irrelevant anymore (so far as the end user is concerned)

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batrams:

That's what I thought. CPU usage suring playback is quite high – uptime shows 1.8 for example

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wagnerrp:

thats not what you think it is

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wagnerrp:

that just means you have an average of 1.8 running processes

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batrams:

sound sometimes sutteres too

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batrams:

playing onto a 60" DLP TV. If I use the VGA out from the card and not DVI, all seems well

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Lexridge:

batrams: if you want to see your "true" cpu usage, run htop

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batrams:

but VGA is not as nice ad HD

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batrams:

-bash: htop: command not found – I'll have to find that

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wagnerrp:

VGA is HD

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Lexridge:

batrams: you should be able to install it with your pkg manager.

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wagnerrp:

rather, neither VGA nor DVI nor HDMI mean HD

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wagnerrp:

but they all can be

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batrams:

My goal is to get smooth playback thru DVI if possible, but myhead is quite dented from beating it into the desk so much

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batrams:

Is haveing recodings on the same drive as mysql a bad plan ?

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wagnerrp:

definitely not idea

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wagnerrp:

but as long as you dont have transcodes or commflags running unchecked, it shouldnt be a problem

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wagnerrp:

a single tuner, recording or playing back, isnt going to consume so much IO that it will bother mysql

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wagnerrp:

assuming your disk isnt fragmented to hell

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batrams:

all hardware is new and is a freshinstall of mythdora

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batrams:

I'm about out of things to try

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batrams:

overclocking seemed to help but I hoped that CPU was sufficient

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batrams:

it did not cure hoeever

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wagnerrp:

that processor certainly should be sufficient

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batrams:

Is playing with profiles more the best suggeston ?

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batrams:

or maybe try mythbuntu or rolling my own fromsource?

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Lexridge:

bitrams: the playback profile is certainly a good bet it will fix your playback issues. As Iamlindoro said, try setting it to "Slim" mode. That worked for me.

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Lexridge:

...and I have the same CPU as you do.

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batrams:

Thanx – I will add a few more dents to my head

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Lexridge:

bitrams: After I finally had a working mythtv system, just to make sure I know what I did, I wiped it and reinstalled it three times! Really, I did!

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Lexridge:

The third time is when I switched to the CVS stable version.

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batrams:

I do stuff like that too – I like to understand what's going on

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batrams:

mythdora was quick to install but I may try somethign else

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Lexridge:

mythdora is not bad, I have a spare machine with mythdora on it in case my main computer would happen to crap out.....again.

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Lexridge:

then at least I can watch something while repairing my main machine. ;)

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batrams:

I'd be happy if I could get smooth playback at all resolutions

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batrams:

seems like I have XvMC working and nvidia driver is in use

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Lexridge:

slim mode will probably fix your problem, and it still looks great even with QAM and ATSC. CPU+ and CPU++ never gives me smooth playback.

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batrams:

I will certainly try it

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batrams:

thanks for the help guys – ill try the tips

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Lexridge:

good luck

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iamlindoro_:

Jesus Christ, would JYA just call his fork official and let me stop complaining about him?

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iamlindoro_:

Every time someone mentions going to trunk, he just tries to sell them on his BS

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dschlenk:

anyone wanna try to help me get xvmc working on mythbuntu hardy using teh envyng drivers?

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wombo:

probably talk to the mythbuntu people

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dschlenk:

xorg log doesn't list XVideo-MotionCompensation

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wombo:

goto > #mythbuntu

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dschlenk:

ok

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wombo:

:)

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pembo13:

is there anything that i can do so that mythfrontend doesn't freeze up any time it cnat' talk to mythbackend?

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Lexridge:

pembo13: It should timeout with an error msg.

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Lexridge:

Not sure what the time limit is on this. Does the whole computer freeze, or just frontend?

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iamlindoro_:

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx, That's on his VDPAU help page, and "MythTV Distribution" (sic) is a link to mythtv.org

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iamlindoro_:

apparently he doesn't realize we'll turn anyone using his crap away at the door

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pembo13:

Lexridge: just the front end

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Lexridge:

pembo13: why is it failing to connect to the backend in the first place?

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sphery:

pembo13: the right fix is to fix the network

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sphery:

which may mean running a wire instead of using wireless

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rhpot1991:

anyone here use congruity?

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wagnerrp:

rhpot1991: i know of it, ive never tried to use it

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin, If you're about, very trivial patch on #6421 to fix. Just copies the behavior and makes consistent from the other spots in the patch that get the $tmdbid variable, tested and working against his example title

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iamlindoro_:

er other spots in the script, that is

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iamlindoro_:

My error message differs slightly, but once this is applied, it works properly

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kormoc:

Hrm... After 5 shots of vodka, the world seems a lot nicer for some reason

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** iamlindoro_ offers kormoc some flowers and a pony **

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kormoc:

Yay!

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iamlindoro_:

holy crap, the Watchmen Fanart is kick ass

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.themoviedb.org/movie/13183

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, is that fan art or graphic novel stills?

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iamlindoro_:

fanart, likely from the promotional materials

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pembo13:

sphery: can't fix the network when its mythbackend segfaulting

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pembo13:

sphery: or mythfronet end just decided it cna't find the backend

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pembo13:

sphery: the network is fine

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sphery:

pembo13: if mythbackend is segfaulting, mythfrontend definitely wouldn't be able to find the backend.

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sphery:

but if mythbackend is still running and mythfrontend can't find the network, you probably have a MySQL problem

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sphery:

(assuming it's not a network problem)

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sphery:

still, though, the answer is to fix the problem, not the symptom of the problem

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wagnerrp:

i know ive seen the two that are not all the characters before

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wagnerrp:

promotional material

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wagnerrp:

where the other three are from, dont know

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wagnerrp:

the first two may actually be clipped right out of the trailer

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iamlindoro_:

I love the first, but it looks a little "painted" to be from a video

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iamlindoro_:

plus there's no fixed depth of focus which would be a hallmark of the camera

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iamlindoro_:

The first and second have universal focus from front to back

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pembo13:

sphery: this happens in the middle of working

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pembo13:

sphery: network problem can happen, but myth front end shouldn't just freeze

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pembo13:

sphery: because then i have to go to one or two diff machines to "reboot" things

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pembo13:

there it goes again

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pembo13:

to mythbackend segfaults in one night

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pembo13:

mythbackend[6401]: segfault at 0 ip 0806b97a sp bfb58b30 error 4 in mythbackend[8048000+118000]

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kormoc:

i hate round web designs with round corners

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pembo13:

mythbackend had segfaulted twice on me tonight

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pembo13:

there's no info in th emythbackend log

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pembo13:

is there anything i can do to capture use info on the segfault?

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eric_:

how long does it take to 'make' mythtv? It looks like it's repeating the same code

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wagnerrp:

eric_: what is your processor?

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eric_:

intel core 2 Duo 3Ghz

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wagnerrp:

with '-j2' or '-j3', you can probably do a full make from scratch in 10–15 minutes

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc, any designs in particular?

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eric_:

I started it, might as well let it ride out, huh?

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, some contract work I'm doing, they want rounded corners on the site stuff, but they want it in css, it's kinda painful

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc, ahh-- I'm webtarded... thought you might ahve meant themoviedb, which I have always found pleasantly utilitarian

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iamlindoro_:

(but it's not rounded so I was confused :) )

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kormoc:

ahh

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kormoc:

heh

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artus35:

good morning

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eric_:

wagnerrp: Was having trouble before because I had QT4 and I finally read the readme and it said it wasn't comp

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kormoc:

If I was targeting mozilla, it'd be simple, but they want me to target ie 6...

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artus35:

anybody using Hardware raid for mythtv box here?

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eric_:

How do I know if I installed all the right components of QT3

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kormoc:

artus35, it's a waste for mythtv stuff

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kormoc:

eric_, if it runs or not?

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iamlindoro_:

and/or compiles

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eric_:

anyone else have a weeklong mythtv project?

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iamlindoro_:

My mythtv project is 5ish years and counting

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iamlindoro_:

It's not a project, it's a hobby :)

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: if you just had used python, you would be done by now!

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iamlindoro_:

Myth is not and never will be a Ron Popiel Rotisserie-- you will never set it and forget it )

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wagnerrp:

artus35: i am using hardware raid, yes

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wagnerrp:

my recording drives are all independent

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wagnerrp:

but i commercial clip, and move everything over to the raid and mythvideo

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eric_:

iamlindoro_: I'm finding that out. Saw an article on building your own PVR and now I've been sucked in to the Linux world

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eric_:

...Not complaining

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, Just persist, the more you learn, the more involved you get, but the more fn it becomes, too

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iamlindoro_:

er fun

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iamlindoro_:

That said, if you're just getting sucked into the linux world I'm not sure building from source would be my personal choice on how to go, but to each his own :)

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kormoc:

I feel so dirty, font-size: 16.255px;

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eric_:

I tried installing mythbuntu, but I'm running Linux Mint and there was some weird stuff goin' on

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iamlindoro_:

Mythbuntu is a distro unto itself, you wouldn't want to install it over Linux Mint

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kormoc:

if you tried to install mythbuntu on top of linux mint, I'd say there's some weird stuff goin' on

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eric_:

I had to reinstall Mint. I kept getting no UPnP backend errors

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wagnerrp:

are you running the backend?

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iamlindoro_:

It's possible to "convert" a plain jane ubuntu install to Mythbuntu, but I would expect doing so with an ubuntu derivative to fail

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wagnerrp:

the frontend cannot just be run

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wagnerrp:

the frontend need the backend to communicate with

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wagnerrp:

and the backend needs the mysql database to store its settings

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eric_:

I had both running

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eric_:

I think. Since I scrapped that I trying from source and see what happens

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kormoc:

you think or you know?

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kormoc:

cause that's a fairly... required piece

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eric_:

I think... That was probably part of the initial problem. I had wrong packages installed and some not

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eric_:

I just installed from source 2 sec ago and now at the section to create the db

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iamlindoro_:

whoah whoah

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iamlindoro_:

are you telling me you're following the manual?

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iamlindoro_:

I... I'm speechless

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iamlindoro_:

I feel like I should hug someone

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iamlindoro_:

Like there should be balloons falling from the rafters or something

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kormoc:

Yeah, really

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eric_:

lol. Quick question. How do I follow this part. It's in the mythTv wiki

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eric_:

http://pastebin.com/m3d38d0a7

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wagnerrp:

you dont, that part is antiquated

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, Don't worry about creating that file

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kormoc:

the one time follows the manual, and it's out of date...

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iamlindoro_:

when you start mythtv-setup, it will ask you for your db login info

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iamlindoro_:

since you populated it with the mc.sql script, the db host should be localhost, and the login and password should be mythtv

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iamlindoro_:

and I'm actually helping someone not out of scorn

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iamlindoro_:

I'm kinda freaking out here

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** kormoc eyes the water supply **

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc, don't suppose you would want to change the component to the correct one on #6421?

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iamlindoro_:

(should be Mythtv- scripts)

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iamlindoro_:

er Mythvideo-scripts

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eric_:

How do you get into mythtv-setup?

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kormoc:

plugin – mythvideo?

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, run mythtv-setup from a command line as the user you intend to run mytthv as

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc, I thought I recalled there being a component for the scripts, but that'll do too

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, you're right, just MythVideo

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kormoc:

type patch, version head I'm assuming

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah. It's not my ticket, but want to make sure the right person sees the fix, it's super trivial

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kormoc:

done!

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iamlindoro_:

Thanks, boss

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** kormoc tips his hat **

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eric_:

got in to setup it said no UPnP backends found then it said couldn't log in to database

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, That's okay so long as it then pops up the screen for you to enter the DB info

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, It bears asking, how did you get the Myth source?

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iamlindoro_:

and which version

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eric_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Initia . . . _source_code

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** iamlindoro_ crosses fingers **

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iamlindoro_:

don't say tarball, don't say tarball..

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iamlindoro_:

okay, super, that's the right source

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, after saying if couldn't log into the DB, did it pop up the screen for you to enter the DB info?

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eric_:

yes

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iamlindoro_:

cool

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iamlindoro_:

oh son of a bitch

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iamlindoro_:

farkin wiki

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iamlindoro_:

ok eric, quit out of mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro_:

just cancel or ctrl-c out

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eric_:

done

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iamlindoro_:

moron wiki says to create the DB manually instead of using the script

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iamlindoro_:

anyhoo

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iamlindoro_:

go into your myth source dir

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** kormoc blinks **

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iamlindoro_:

the core one, not the plugins

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kormoc:

say what?!?!

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc, fo' reals

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kormoc:

link?

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eric_:

done.

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Initia . . . tabase_setup

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, enter the "database" directory

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wagnerrp:

tmdb is really finicky that you match the name exactly...'

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eric_:

done.

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, run, without the quotes, "mysql -u root < mc.sql"

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iamlindoro_:

and make sure the arrow goes in the right direction :)

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iamlindoro_:

(left)

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iamlindoro_:

let me know if that completes without errors

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iamlindoro_:

Haha, that whole DB section in the wiki is gefucktet

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eric_:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

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wagnerrp:

so your database has a default password

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, okay, have you set mysql up for any other purpose, or for any other Databases?

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eric_:

not that i'm aware of

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, usually on ubuntu there's no mysql root password

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eric_:

maybe i did when I installed the package, can i take it off?

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, so long as you recall what you put in, that's all that matters

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iamlindoro_:

you can try

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iamlindoro_:

"mysql -u root -p < mc.sql"

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eric_:

i remember what i put in

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iamlindoro_:

and then try the PW you put in

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iamlindoro_:

when prompted

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kormoc:

ugh

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eric_:

did that, and it went to a new line

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kormoc:

it was some dutch user copy and pasting from elsewhere

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eric_:

waiting for another command

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, Cool, no error means happytimes

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iamlindoro_:

now you can start mythtv-setup again

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iamlindoro_:

when asked about the DB, the DB address is "localhost" and password and username are mythtv

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iamlindoro_:

you should be able to leave pretty much everything else default and be all set, and should ultimately end up at the mythtv-setup menu if that goes well

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iamlindoro_:

(a series of menu items numbered 1–6)

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eric_:

HOLY EXPLETIVE!

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eric_:

It's working

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, Well, it's a start anyway :)

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iamlindoro_:

now you have the challenge of doing mythtv-setup ahead of you, but assuming you follow each step one by one, and the manual (such as it is), you should be fine and we'll be happy to help

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iamlindoro_:

good god, it should always be this pleasant

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iamlindoro_:

manual reading, following direction.. I feel like I should check my pulse

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iamlindoro_:

Just as a note, there is really nothing you should need to change in step one, assuming your frontend and backend are combined

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eric_:

Thanks for the help, much appreciated.

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iamlindoro_:

You are very welcome

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eric_:

Went through Step 1 and left everything the same

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eric_:

Step for the capture card I added my WinTV-1600

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iamlindoro_:

eventually you may want to turn on uPnP or use other remote frontends, at which point you'll want to come back and change the IP address to something not 127.0.0.1, but that's about it

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, one gotcha on the 1600

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iamlindoro_:

make sure you don't add it as a "v4l" card type

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eric_:

oops

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iamlindoro_:

you want to add it twice (once for the digital tuner, once for the analog) and the analog side is "MPEG-2" card type

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iamlindoro_:

just go back to the one you added and edit it

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iamlindoro_:

and change the card type, the rest should be fine

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iamlindoro_:

then add *another* card of card type "DVB" (which will be the Digital/ATSC side)

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iamlindoro_:

can pretty much leave both at their default values

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eric_:

cool. done.

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iamlindoro_:

The next step, video sources, is your listings source

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eric_:

I have cable should I put that as the source?

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iamlindoro_:

as it appears you're in the US, you'll probably want a Schedules Direct account

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iamlindoro_:

Video Source is sort of counter-intuitively named

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iamlindoro_:

it's just the source of your TV listings-- for us in the USA it's Schedules Direct (www.schedulesdirect.org)

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iamlindoro_:

You can go there and set up a one week free trial so that you can get this working, then go back later for a subscription

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iamlindoro_:

(which is cheap and not-for-profit and well worth it, but there's no harm in making sure everything works for free first)

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eric_:

only $20 not bad

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, so you go there and set up an account, and you'll want to set up a lineup for your local cable provider

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iamlindoro_:

then you'll come back and create a video source of the Schedules Direct type, and put in your username and password, then pull down your lineups

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iamlindoro_:

after this, in the next step, we'll "attach" the listings source to each half of your tuner.

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iamlindoro_:

analog and digital tuners are treated ever so slightly different, so let us know when you get that far

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iamlindoro_:

for the analog tuner you will hit the "fetch channels from listings source" button. for the digital side you'll need to do a scan. There's some settings you will probably want to ask about when you get that far (Modulation, frequency table, etc)

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eric_:

did my lineups and they're retrieved... Should I keep the Channel frequency table at default?

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, You only need to change the frequency table when you get to the point of scanning for channels on the digital side of the card

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iamlindoro_:

everywhere else can read default or whatever

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eric_:

The line up I retrieved is Comcast Northwest 2 & 3 – Digital

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iamlindoro_:

Should be fine

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iamlindoro_:

so when you're done there, you'll move on to the next step, attaching them to each tuner device

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iamlindoro_:

this should be fairly self explanatory

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iamlindoro_:

start with the analog tuner. You can name it what you like, then there will be a pulldown to select the listings source you just created. Then you will hit the "fetch channels from listings source" button (and not the scan channels button)

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iamlindoro_:

the digital will be identical, except instead of fetching the channels, we'll scan for them

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eric_:

It does nothing when I 'fetch' but it will scan

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iamlindoro_:

For analog you do not want to scan, no matter what

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iamlindoro_:

I know it seems like it does nothing when you fetch, but it does

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iamlindoro_:

Just trust that it did-- you can leave most of what's left at the default

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iamlindoro_:

Even if the fetch didn't go through, we'll be running the program to pull in listings at the end of mythtv-setup, at which point it will if it hasn't already

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iamlindoro_:

So go ahead and attach the source to the digital side of the card and get as far as the channel scan screen

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eric_:

Okay fetched and finished

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eric_:

at scan screen

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iamlindoro_:

(after finishing the analog side, of course)

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iamlindoro_:

ok, so is the digital side of your card plugged in to cable, or the antenna?

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eric_:

let me see...

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iamlindoro_:

I meant are you using Comcast as your source, or a literal antenna :)

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eric_:

comcast. Just making sure it was in the digital coax

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iamlindoro_:

okay

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eric_:

it is

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iamlindoro_:

so you'll set QAM256 as the modulation, and cablke as the frequency table

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iamlindoro_:

er cable

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iamlindoro_:

You can set the separator as whatever you like-- I personally like -

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iamlindoro_:

Then when you're ready, start the scan-- it should take a fairly long (8–10 minutes) time and don't be alarmed if you don't see it find channels for a really long time

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iamlindoro_:

most digital channels are at frequency assignment 78 and above

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eric_:

how about existing channet treatment

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iamlindoro_:

You need not worry about that, you don't have existing channels to treat :)

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eric_:

realized that after i hit enter

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iamlindoro_:

You know what, I think I've messed you up a tiny bit, though

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iamlindoro_:

is it scanning (slowly?)

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dmz:

anyone know how i can remove a storage directory from a setup and move the recordings in it to another location?

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eric_:

it's on channel 33

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eric_:

it's locking some stuff

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iamlindoro_:

dmz, You can move recordings between any storage directories on the same host-- just mv them, then remove the dir from storage groups

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, okay, let it finish, but then we need to go back and fix one thing

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wagnerrp:

dmz: just make sure you move it to a directory in the same storage group

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eric_:

okay brb

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, I shouldn't have had you use the same listings source for both-- you want to create two identical ones with the same lineup... so we'll go back and create one more, and then go and attach that to the analog source

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dmz:

ah, so when it is playing a recording it searches all paths in the storage group?

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iamlindoro_:

dmz, Yep

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dmz:

thanks, that's good to know

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eric_:

it's done

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, okay, so back to step 3 real quick, an create another identical video source (with a different name)

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eric_:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, now jump back to step 4, and attach that one you just created to the analog tuner, and re-fetch the channels

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, just make sure you leave the one you just scanned on on the digital tuner :)

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eric_:

ok. It's stuck retrieving line-ups

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iamlindoro_:

That's okay

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eric_:

okay did it

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, OK, so just so I have you squared away-- you have the original video source attached to the DVB card, which is the one you scanned on

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iamlindoro_:

and the new one you just created attached to the analog tuner, which you fetched channels on

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iamlindoro_:

right?

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eric_:

yes

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iamlindoro_:

cool

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iamlindoro_:

onward

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, So now we'll create our storage groups

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, The only real critical ones are the Default and Recordings groups

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iamlindoro_:

you want to add fully qualified paths to directories that your user can read and write

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iamlindoro_:

preferably directories with no other contents

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eric_:

You might to walk me through carefully on this one

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eric_:

does it matter how i partitioned?

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iamlindoro_:

This is actually a pretty easy part :)

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iamlindoro_:

doesn't matter how you partitioned, just so long as you know where things are mounted/have plenty of space

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eric_:

ok

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eric_:

lead the way

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iamlindoro_:

well, it's at your discretion where you want the recordings to go

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iamlindoro_:

you might want to open up a terminal and we can create and modify permissions on one

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eric_:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

run the command "df -h" and then go to http://rafb.net/paste and paste the output there

[06:18:53]

iamlindoro_:

then hit paste and paste the resulting URL here

[06:20:17]

eric_:

http://rafb.net/p/pSdXCa84.html

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, so somewhere under /media/disk is your only real option

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iamlindoro_:

okay, so cd /media/disk

[06:21:36]

wagnerrp:

hahahaha

[06:21:36]

iamlindoro_:

and let's create a directory, whatever you cant to call it, but "recordings" works

[06:21:53]

iamlindoro_:

ie "mkdir recordings"

[06:21:54]

wagnerrp:

i was manually pulling some TV Season 'folder.jpg's off imdb

[06:22:02]

wagnerrp:

so i had javascript turned off

[06:22:36]

wagnerrp:

i go over to thetvdb, and they promptly tell me to 'leave 1995 behind and download a modern browser'

[06:22:43]

iamlindoro_:

heh

[06:23:26]

eric_:

iamlindoro_: mkdir: cannot create directory `recordings': Permission denied

[06:23:33]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, sudo mkdir recordings

[06:23:54]

eric_:

done.

[06:24:04]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, sudo chmod +rw recordings

[06:24:24]

eric_:

ok

[06:24:32]

iamlindoro_:

okay, back to mythtv-setup

[06:24:39]

iamlindoro_:

and to the storage groups section

[06:24:55]

eric_:

in

[06:24:56]

iamlindoro_:

now add "/media/disk/recordings/" to both the default and the recordings storage groups

[06:25:17]

eric_:

i have the Default

[06:25:27]

eric_:

then 'Create LiveTV group'

[06:25:36]

iamlindoro_:

that's fine, you can do the same there

[06:25:43]

eric_:

then 'Create DB Backups group'

[06:25:48]

iamlindoro_:

(if you're lacking any of them, it will always fall back to default)

[06:25:50]

eric_:

and 'Create new group'

[06:25:57]

wagnerrp:

although to be honest, ttdb seems to have a better poster archive anyway

[06:25:58]

eric_:

oh

[06:25:58]

iamlindoro_:

you can also safely just add the same dir to each of them

[06:26:24]

iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp, TTVDB rocks

[06:26:28]

JohnQ:

Any mythwelcome / muthshutdown gurus handy to aid in some diagnosis?

[06:26:33]

iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp, Wait'll you play with my new stuff :)

[06:27:21]

JohnQ:

It seems that for some reason the chain of commands to cause the shutdown is broken, and I am having trouble determining where/why

[06:28:23]

eric_:

iamlindoro_: I created a Recordings group and added the directory to both Default and Recordings

[06:28:52]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, that'll do. So, you can leave the channel editor alone for now, and exit mythtv-setup... the only thing it should warn you about is to run mythfilldatabase

[06:29:00]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, If it warns about anything else, let me know

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eric_:

okay. As I'm exiting it says Card 1 (type Tuner1) is set to start on Channel Please add, which does not exst. Do you want to fix this problem?

[06:30:57]

iamlindoro_:

Choose "no"

[06:31:11]

iamlindoro_:

(as we'll be getting the channels in a sec)

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eric_:

mythfilldatabase complete

[06:32:37]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, erm, did you run it manually?

[06:32:59]

iamlindoro_:

as it should take quite some time the first time, and you must run it manually

[06:33:17]

iamlindoro_:

(myth doesn't run it for you, but does warn you to run it, that may have been what you saw)

[06:33:18]

eric_:

~/mythtv/database $ sudo mythfilldatabase

[06:33:23]

iamlindoro_:

no need for sudo

[06:33:48]

iamlindoro_:

how long did it run for?

[06:34:03]

iamlindoro_:

Unless you have a painfully small lineup, it should take a good long few minutes

[06:34:05]

eric_:

3 sec.

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eric_:

i have a small line up i think. I just hooked it to the cable line, not through the set top box

[06:34:41]

iamlindoro_:

yeah, 3 seconds means something is wrong :)

[06:34:51]

iamlindoro_:

what output did it give?

[06:34:54]

wagnerrp:

should be taking 2–3 seconds per channel

[06:35:40]

eric_:

http://rafb.net/p/UgWFj230.html

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iamlindoro_:

kinda looks like your password/login were messed up or something

[06:37:14]

iamlindoro_:

let's go back in to mythtv-setup

[06:37:24]

iamlindoro_:

and go to the spot where you attached the video source to your analog card

[06:37:41]

iamlindoro_:

and try hitting "fetch channels from listings source" again

[06:37:55]

iamlindoro_:

now, when you do that, I want you to use rafb to paste the console output from mythtv-setup

[06:39:14]

wagnerrp:

might be worth it to clip out the last couple hours of logs and dump it on the wiki...

[06:39:57]

iamlindoro_:

"An evening with iamlindoro..."

[06:39:59]

iamlindoro_:

;)

[06:40:11]

eric_:

http://rafb.net/p/qkVJiw61.html

[06:40:36]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, now, on that screen, for starting channel, what does it say?

[06:40:48]

iamlindoro_:

hopefully anything but "please add"

[06:42:14]

eric_:

1

[06:42:27]

iamlindoro_:

hrm, just for safety's sake, let's change it to 2

[06:42:39]

iamlindoro_:

as for comcast 1 is usually VOD, and usually not addressable by an analog tuner

[06:43:13]

eric_:

I think it's because i put the digital lineup in it. Should I change that?

[06:43:18]

iamlindoro_:

yep

[06:43:32]

iamlindoro_:

if you're plugging your analog tuner straight into the wall, you'll want to use the analog lineup

[06:43:46]

iamlindoro_:

likewise, you will want to use the digital lineup with your digital tuner

[06:44:01]

iamlindoro_:

so go back to SD and leave the existing one alone, but also add the analog one

[06:44:10]

iamlindoro_:

then go back to mythtv-setup and we will fix what we have here

[06:45:23]

JohnQ:

can you downgrade from 0.22 to 0.21 without frying the mythconverg db?

[06:45:28]

iamlindoro_:

nope

[06:45:59]

JohnQ:

doh

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wagnerrp:

i just realized, im getting all these nice high-res posters, so that people can squint at them in thumbnail form from across the room

[06:46:09]

eric_:

SD?

[06:46:15]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, Schedules Direct

[06:46:34]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, go there and add the analog lineup, but also leave the digital one (so that you have a total of two lineups there)

[06:46:36]

eric_:

I added both in SD

[06:46:50]

iamlindoro_:

okay, back to step 3 in mythtv-setup

[06:46:52]

eric_:

previously I just assigned it incorrectly

[06:47:09]

iamlindoro_:

now edit the video source assigned to your analog tuner

[06:47:23]

iamlindoro_:

you want to assign the analog one to the analog tuner, and the digital one to the digital tuner, predictably :)

[06:47:40]

iamlindoro_:

then back to step 4 and the analog tuner, and fetch channels from listings source again

[06:47:49]

iamlindoro_:

start channel *should* be/become 2

[06:49:19]

eric_:

ok

[06:49:27]

eric_:

i hope...

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flyback:

I know this isn't directely myth related but I figured what the hell

[06:50:37]

flyback:

anyone know of a simple app/videoplayer whatever

[06:50:50]

flyback:

that can easily playback some video file or stream and then stream it over a lan

[06:50:59]

RyeBrye:

vlc

[06:51:00]

flyback:

say in amuch less cpu eating format :P

[06:51:09]

flyback:

yeah but I can't seem to get it working easily

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iamlindoro_:

doesn't get much easier than vlc

[06:51:35]

flyback:

basically I want my sempron64 3200+ to stream a decoded video stream to this PII 300 laptop in my bed

[06:51:40]

flyback:

I just tried no luck

[06:51:50]

iamlindoro_:

so seek help from them, that's by far the simplest option

[06:52:00]

flyback:

the channel is quite dead

[06:52:09]

iamlindoro_:

so you'll have to be patient, then

[06:52:24]

flyback:

no

[06:52:32]

flyback:

as is quite dead perm

[06:52:35]

wagnerrp:

flyback: the GUI is fairly straight forward

[06:52:39]

iamlindoro_:

okay, then I guess you'll have to live with not getting what you want

[06:52:45]

iamlindoro_:

as we don't support vlc here

[06:52:49]

wagnerrp:

although the command syntax is a bit obfuscates

[06:52:52]

flyback:

yeah I been doing that for 35 fucking miserable yrs

[06:52:55]

wagnerrp:

obfuscated...

[06:52:57]

iamlindoro_:

lovely

[06:52:59]

flyback:

and my response is to curse GOd

[06:53:03]

flyback:

and wish for allof mankind to be wiped out

[06:53:10]

flyback:

so anything else stupid you would like to say to me?

[06:53:19]

flyback:

or are you done yet flapping your ass

[06:53:21]

flyback:

smart guy

[06:53:37]

iamlindoro_:

flyback, I would cut the attitude, it's not rude to insist that we only support the topic of the channel here

[06:53:50]

flyback:

cut the attitude?

[06:53:58]

flyback:

you are the one who made the smart ass comment

[06:54:00]

iamlindoro_:

There is a channel where it is on topic, and you will need to seek support there

[06:54:10]

flyback:

because I said there hasn't been activity in a channel for weeks I have tried

[06:54:20]

iamlindoro_:

sorry to hear that, try their forums

[06:54:29]

iamlindoro_:

which are quite active

[06:54:46]

eric_:

iamlindoro_: mythfilldatabase is working and taking much longer than before

[06:54:52]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, excellent!

[06:54:53]

wagnerrp:

flyback, here is the command line i use to stream video off my webcam... you should be able to modify it for your purposes

[06:54:59]

iamlindoro_:

okay, so once that done we're in the home stretch

[06:55:15]

wagnerrp:

vlc -I dummy v4l2:///dev/video1:fps=5:width=640:height=480 --sout '#transcode{vcodec=h263,vb=400,mux=ts}:std{mux=ts,access=http,url=10.254.2.31:80 80}'

[06:55:28]

flyback:

actually weird thing is

[06:55:33]

flyback:

this time it actually came up

[06:55:42]

flyback:

wonder if it's a ucuntu bug in the livecd

[06:55:46]

wagnerrp:

just replace the whole 'v4l2' garbage with your file name, bump up the bitrate, and youre golden

[06:56:25]

flyback:

now it actually makessense

[06:56:30]

wagnerrp:

you may want to try 'vcodec=mjpg' and 'mux=raw' if h263 is too much for that processor

[06:56:42]

flyback:

what do you recommend

[06:56:44]

flyback:

for a pII 300 :P

[06:56:53]

iamlindoro_:

a funeral

[06:56:55]

RyeBrye:

h264

[06:57:01]

RyeBrye:

j/k

[06:57:05]

eric_:

lol

[06:57:11]

RyeBrye:

I second iamlindoro's suggestion

[06:57:15]

flyback:

it's a old laptop I am not a mascistiscwhatevertouspellit

[06:57:22]

flyback:

iamlindoro, BITE MY "CANUCK"

[06:57:35]

iamlindoro_:

I see someone's not familiar with the channel style

[06:57:45]

JohnQ:

Is it me?

[06:57:50]

JohnQ:

;-)

[06:57:58]

flyback:

I see you are not familiar with a sucidial burned out shell of a man

[06:58:02]

RyeBrye:

flyback: I think my cell phone has a few processor cycles you could borrow. It is probably just about as powerful (i I underclock it)

[06:58:11]

flyback:

heh

[06:58:21]

RyeBrye:

flyback: I think clever might want to buy that pII from you to upgrade one of his systems

[06:58:29]

wagnerrp:

i know my old Palm gets around that much performance

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flyback:

wagnerrp, yeah that as the idea

[06:58:43]

flyback:

actually

[06:58:47]

flyback:

I have a t5

[06:58:54]

flyback:

hmm

[06:59:04]

wagnerrp:

T-E here

[06:59:17]

flyback:

this is just a old pos I use as a bedside terminal

[06:59:28]

flyback:

soon to be deathbed side terminal

[06:59:28]

flyback:

yay

[06:59:46]

wagnerrp:

i set one of those up once... except mine was a surplus P3–800 i picked up for free

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eric_:

man, I got on at 23:50

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flyback:

I actually like iamlindoro's suggestion

[07:02:58]

flyback:

but just like I been told for 35 miserable fucking yrs

[07:03:00]

flyback:

SHIT HAPPENS

[07:03:03]

flyback:

this is what I am stuck with

[07:03:20]

wagnerrp:

a funeral for a friend?

[07:03:30]

wagnerrp:

send off the aged laptop on a burning funeral pyre?

[07:03:40]

** iamlindoro_ considers mentioning the no swearing channel rule, assumes this will just result in more swearing **

[07:04:12]

** RyeBrye swears **

[07:04:20]

wagnerrp:

you know... ive often wondered just what happens when you burn those batteries

[07:04:25]

wagnerrp:

they always tell you not to

[07:04:35]

flyback:

you don't watn to

[07:04:35]

wagnerrp:

toxic fumes? or something a bit more energetic?

[07:04:37]

flyback:

unles you do it outside

[07:04:45]

flyback:

away frombuildings etc

[07:04:47]

iamlindoro_:

Your children get to live in airtight domes

[07:04:51]

flyback:

get some clay flowerpots

[07:04:54]

flyback:

and some bricks

[07:05:00]

Dibblah:

This may be something for ##offtopic.

[07:05:17]

flyback:

otherwise don't even think about it

[07:05:21]

Dibblah:

Yes, flyback, I'm here as well ;)

[07:05:24]

flyback:

they don't go quietely

[07:05:43]

eric_:

iamlindoro_: db done

[07:05:51]

flyback:

I seen videos of it and I try to design capture systems for my electronics work

[07:06:00]

flyback:

in case a battery were to go up

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, okay, there are a couple of things we will want to do really quick-- use rafb to paste the output of the "mount" and "cat /etc/fstab" commands

[07:06:29]

flyback:

wagnerrp, just DO NOT *CANUCK* with mothercanucking lithiumbatteries

[07:06:34]

flyback:

you happy now iamlindoro

[07:06:39]

iamlindoro_:

thrilled

[07:06:47]

Dibblah:

Oh no. Not the canucking again. Please.

[07:07:12]

Dibblah:

For the love of all that is right in the world, not here as well.

[07:07:14]

wagnerrp:

so the canadians are a sanitized version of all our obscenities?

[07:07:33]

flyback:

btw wagnerrp in case you mised it

[07:07:43]

flyback:

the bricks and clay pots arefor your ass

[07:07:48]

flyback:

not for the helpin to blow up batteries

[07:07:58]

flyback:

it's to keep you from being blown up

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eric_:

mount http://rafb.net/p/56yt3l65.html

[07:08:10]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i know... clay is good for a few thousand degrees

[07:08:40]

Dibblah:

flyback: Please. On-topic or quiet.

[07:08:51]

flyback:

fine fine

[07:08:57]

eric_:

cat http://rafb.net/p/D5DdQA60.html

[07:08:58]

Dibblah:

Thanks :)

[07:09:07]

flyback:

i'm just trying to prevent a darwin awards contestent

[07:10:03]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, use your text editor of choice and edit /etc/fstab, gksudo gedit /etc/fstab should work

[07:10:03]

wagnerrp:

dont worry, ive handled my fair share of hazardous materials before

[07:10:22]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, Add the following line at the bottom:

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iamlindoro_:

/dev/sda6 / ext3 defaults 0 1

[07:11:28]

iamlindoro_:

er sorry

[07:11:35]

iamlindoro_:

/dev/sda6 /media/disk ext3 defaults 0 1

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clever:

can i complain about you pasting stuff? :P

[07:12:01]

iamlindoro_:

clever, since it is only a single line at a time, no.

[07:12:05]

** flyback bites clever **

[07:12:06]

Dibblah:

You can complain about whatever you like.

[07:12:11]

flyback:

CANUCK!

[07:12:14]

Dibblah:

We will ignore you, of course.

[07:12:19]

flyback:

ltns my old friend :P

[07:12:19]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, Once you're done, save that file

[07:12:23]

clever:

iamlindoro_: 'gksudo gedit' is bad, gedit will edit your own config files as root

[07:12:26]

eric_:

done

[07:12:39]

clever:

iamlindoro_: you should use sudoedit

[07:12:39]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, okay, go ahead and close gedit

[07:13:04]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, now open up two terminals (or if you have two terminals open, that's fine

[07:13:07]

iamlindoro_:

)

[07:13:37]

eric_:

is there a quick way to organize windows on the desktop?

[07:14:07]

iamlindoro_:

nothing super quick

[07:14:17]

iamlindoro_:

this is going to be quick and dirty testing for a few more minutes anyway

[07:14:26]

iamlindoro_:

let me know when you are ready to proceed

[07:14:45]

flyback:

oh well I give up for now

[07:14:46]

flyback:

thx

[07:14:58]

eric_:

have the two terminals

[07:15:03]

eric_:

can i clear them?

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iamlindoro_:

sure, but not necessary

[07:15:13]

iamlindoro_:

"clear"

[07:15:34]

eric_:

ready.

[07:15:38]

iamlindoro_:

anyway, in the first, run "mythbackend"

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iamlindoro_:

assuming it doesn't start in a scrolling loop, when it settles down a bit, paste the output to rafb

[07:17:38]

eric_:

http://rafb.net/p/dcPKS475.html

[07:18:08]

iamlindoro_:

hmm, couple issues there

[07:18:13]

iamlindoro_:

ctrl-c out of the backend

[07:18:26]

eric_:

done

[07:18:52]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, When you set up video sources, did you have a couple extra ones that didn't get attached to anything? This isn't bad, just want to understand what I'm seeing

[07:19:01]

eric_:

yeah

[07:19:05]

iamlindoro_:

okay, then that's fine

[07:19:14]

iamlindoro_:

what user are you running as right now?

[07:19:18]

iamlindoro_:

user name, that is

[07:19:22]

iamlindoro_:

oh sorry,

[07:19:23]

eric_:

eric

[07:19:24]

iamlindoro_:

it's "eric"

[07:19:32]

iamlindoro_:

okay, so do as follows

[07:19:40]

wagnerrp:

how long does it usually take for mythvideo to flush its image cache, after backing out of it?

[07:20:03]

iamlindoro_:

sudo chown eric.users /media/disk/recordings

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eric_:

okay. Does it matter which directory i'm in?

[07:20:47]

iamlindoro_:

nope

[07:20:50]

eric_:

done.

[07:20:58]

iamlindoro_:

okay, restart the backend and rafb again please

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iamlindoro_:

that is to say, run mythbackend in a terminal again

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eric_:

http://rafb.net/p/huAx1u58.html

[07:22:28]

iamlindoro_:

looking great

[07:22:36]

iamlindoro_:

okay, now in the second terminal, run "mythfrontend"

[07:23:28]

wagnerrp:

there we go... took a themecache delete to update the image

[07:23:48]

eric_:

it's up

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp, Sorry, missed your question-- yeah, for at least some of the stuff, it takes that

[07:24:03]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, okay, now on to another moment of truth... select "Watch Live TV"

[07:24:12]

iamlindoro_:

and let us know how it goes

[07:25:54]

iamlindoro_:

(let us know if you see *any* TV, in fact, even if it's stuttering or whatever)

[07:26:10]

eric_:

while ordinary stepper move up and down the cardio twister system moves all around

[07:26:22]

iamlindoro_:

Sounds like late night Tv to me ;)

[07:26:27]

eric_:

lol

[07:26:38]

iamlindoro_:

okay, and is the playback more or less correct?

[07:26:43]

iamlindoro_:

ie up to speed, no stuttering, etc?

[07:26:55]

eric_:

yes

[07:26:57]

iamlindoro_:

great

[07:27:06]

iamlindoro_:

okay, so we have a bit of cleanup/setup left to do

[07:27:17]

eric_:

okay

[07:27:20]

iamlindoro_:

first thing's first, exit out of mythfrontend, and ctrl-c out of the backend

[07:27:33]

iamlindoro_:

lemme see if I can dig you up an ubuntu init script

[07:28:10]

eric_:

does it matter that I'm running Mint?

[07:28:37]

iamlindoro_:

no

[07:28:57]

iamlindoro_:

eric, what is the output of "which mythbackend" ?

[07:29:03]

iamlindoro_:

no need for rafb for that one

[07:29:16]

eric_:

/usr/local/bin/mythbackend

[07:29:33]

iamlindoro_:

okay

[07:29:34]

iamlindoro_:

http://rafb.net/p/zdbFQl61.html

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iamlindoro_:

cut and paste that (making sure you *don't* get the line numbers in your cut and paste) into a file called mythtv-backend

[07:30:18]

iamlindoro_:

and save it in your home directory

[07:31:12]

eric_:

What kind of file. Again, 2 weeks with Linux

[07:31:26]

iamlindoro_:

any kind of file, you can just run gedit if you want

[07:31:33]

iamlindoro_:

"gedit mythtv-backend"

[07:31:39]

iamlindoro_:

then paste in and save in your home dir

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eric_:

Please check that you typed the location correctly and try again

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iamlindoro_:

Erm, what is saying that?

[07:34:45]

iamlindoro_:

oh, duh

[07:34:56]

iamlindoro_:

sorry, just run "gedit" :)

[07:35:06]

iamlindoro_:

then paste in, and save as "mythtv-backend" in your home dir

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eric_:

finally. got it

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iamlindoro_:

okay, once that's saved, go ahead and close gedit

[07:37:30]

eric_:

done.

[07:37:38]

iamlindoro_:

and run "chmod 777 ~/mythtv-backend"

[07:38:08]

eric_:

chmod: cannot access `/home/eric/mythtv-backend': No such file or directory

[07:38:22]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, Where did you save the file? Seems it wasn't in your home dir

[07:38:41]

eric_:

just in home then not home/eric

[07:38:55]

iamlindoro_:

"chmod 777 /home/mythtv-backend"

[07:39:18]

honk:

"your home dir" usually refers to your user's ~, not /home ;)

[07:39:40]

iamlindoro_:

Think he realizes that now

[07:40:20]

eric_:

moved the file did the first command, all good

[07:40:24]

honk:

who knows :p

[07:40:40]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, okay, "sudo cp ~/mythtv-backend /etc/init.d/"

[07:41:23]

honk:

*shudder* a script writable by other that's executed by root? =)

[07:41:56]

eric_:

okay done.

[07:42:07]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, now attempt the following:

[07:42:18]

iamlindoro_:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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clever:

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/186/ . . . ctive-nvidia

[07:43:07]

wagnerrp:

thats like 8 months ago

[07:43:12]

eric_:

http://rafb.net/p/jtDpjo54.html

[07:43:38]

iamlindoro_:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop

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eric_:

do i ctrl c first?

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iamlindoro_:

eric, no

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eric_:

there's no command line

[07:44:39]

honk:

you are in a new proimpt already

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honk:

press enter ;)

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, there is, trust me

[07:44:52]

honk:

there's too much spam to see =)

[07:45:17]

eric_:

* Stopping MythTV server: mythbackend [ OK ]

[07:45:24]

clever:

wagnerrp: the nvidia in one of my laptops just crapped out and that might be why

[07:45:28]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, sudo mkdir /var/log/mythtv

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eric_:

done

[07:45:53]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, sudo chmod 766 /var/log/mythtv

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wagnerrp:

ah, yes.... i could see overheating causing graphic error such as that

[07:46:24]

eric_:

done. What am i doing by the way.

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, creating the log directory and setting it to writeable/owned by you

[07:46:45]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, another:

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, sudo chown eric.users /var/log/mythtv

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eric_:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, now test the backend again: sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

[07:47:44]

iamlindoro_:

if it starts identically without the logfile error, let me know

[07:48:16]

eric_:

* Starting MythTV server: mythbackend [ OK ]

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iamlindoro_:

gorgeous

[07:48:32]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, sudo update-rc.d mythtv-backend defaults

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iamlindoro_:

This will set the backend to start on boot

[07:49:17]

eric_:

Adding system startup for /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend ...

[07:49:17]

eric_:

/etc/rc0.d/K20mythtv-backend -> ../init.d/mythtv-backend

[07:49:17]

eric_:

/etc/rc1.d/K20mythtv-backend -> ../init.d/mythtv-backend

[07:49:17]

eric_:

/etc/rc6.d/K20mythtv-backend -> ../init.d/mythtv-backend

[07:49:17]

eric_:

/etc/rc2.d/S20mythtv-backend -> ../init.d/mythtv-backend

[07:49:18]

eric_:

/etc/rc3.d/S20mythtv-backend -> ../init.d/mythtv-backend

[07:49:20]

eric_:

/etc/rc4.d/S20mythtv-backend -> ../init.d/mythtv-backend

[07:49:23]

eric_:

/etc/rc5.d/S20mythtv-backend -> ../init.d/mythtv-backend

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clever:

yay spam!!!

[07:49:26]

eric_:

sorry about the flood

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iamlindoro_:

heh, in the future, avoid pasting in here

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iamlindoro_:

but good

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honk:

and if you care about your system's security at all.. chown root:root /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend; chmod o-rw /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend

[07:49:45]

iamlindoro_:

so anyway, you now have a functional myth system

[07:50:13]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, There are a few things you will want to work out

[07:50:23]

iamlindoro_:

first off, did you build the plugins?

[07:50:28]

eric_:

yes

[07:50:40]

eric_:

and themes

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iamlindoro_:

great... so eventually you will likely want to get mythweb working (I personally need to hit the sack in a few)

[07:51:04]

iamlindoro_:

the one thing you will want to address soonish is your digital lineup

[07:51:13]

iamlindoro_:

which requires a bit of manual intervention

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eric_:

That sounds like it's for another day

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iamlindoro_:

at some point, tomorrow or whenever, you will want to go to Schedules Direct and next to your digital lineup, there's a "report" button

[07:51:50]

eric_:

I have to be at work in less than 6 hours

[07:52:03]

eric_:

okay

[07:52:07]

iamlindoro_:

there is a number associated with each channel called an XMLTVid

[07:52:35]

iamlindoro_:

you are going to need to use the channel editor (mythweb's is easiest) to insert the number for each channel into it

[07:52:49]

eric_:

whoa

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iamlindoro_:

since the channel number won't match, this is a manual process, but it's the only way you're going to get listings

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** justinh limbers up for a customer services onslaught **

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, It's not *that* much work, maybe an hour or so at most

[07:53:20]

eric_:

do you have yours hooked up to a receiver box

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, no

[07:53:54]

iamlindoro_:

note that what I just said is *only* for the digital side of the card

[07:54:03]

iamlindoro_:

the analog side should be all set up, with listings and everything

[07:54:28]

iamlindoro_:

and you can watch the digital tuner too, but for scheduling you're going to want listings, and it's a one-time exercise

[07:54:28]

justinh:

oh noes not hybrids

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iamlindoro_:

justinh, naw, a proper dual tuner with analog encoder

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justinh:

! :)

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eric_:

analog was great. For digital, does that include HD

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iamlindoro_:

and this one read the manual

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, It will include whatever HD channels comcast in your area leaves unencrypted

[07:55:21]

** justinh stands back in amazement **

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, usually NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox, and the CW in HD

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justinh:

we better keep this one for further study

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iamlindoro_:

justinh, Not only that, but has followed instructions to the letter for the past two hours

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iamlindoro_:

as I said before, I'm kinda freaking out

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eric_:

Not to burst your bubble, but 3 hours

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justinh:

has the world ended, or otherwise started to spin on the wrong axis?

[07:56:16]

iamlindoro_:

well whatever

[07:56:38]

justinh:

hmmm maybe it's just one of those unreality bubbles I've read about

[07:56:47]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, the main point is that you now have a working myth system that will most likely weather a reboot and keep on ticking

[07:57:02]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, from now on on boot you should just need to run mythfrontend and go

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eric_:

reboot?!?! I'm never shutting it off... j/k

[07:57:27]

iamlindoro_:

there's a lot of tweaking left to do (XMLTVids to the digital channels, set up the plugins) but the basics should be there and working now

[07:58:00]

iamlindoro_:

As you'll likely want to record what HD you can get, the sooner you can match the XMLTVids to the channels, the better

[07:58:02]

justinh:

I caught the part where a new init script was made

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iamlindoro_:

my personal preference for how to do this is to set up mythweb, which has a channel editor, and then start watching each digital channel. Figure out what it is, dump in the XMLTVid, channel up and repeat

[07:58:40]

justinh:

was that init script added to the $whatever so it'll work in certain runlevels? e.g. update-rc.d ?

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iamlindoro_:

yep

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iamlindoro_:

I figure the one person since the dawn of mankind to read the manual deserves full service

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justinh:

I'll shut up then. I have to speak to a customer service droid in a minute

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wagnerrp:

i guess i may as well back 'Life on Mars' out of its 'season 1' subfolder...

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, Now, jsut so you know, when you start Live TV, you can press "M" to bring up a menu

[07:59:58]

iamlindoro_:

eric_, there is an option there to allow you to switch inputs

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iamlindoro_:

which will let you watch the digital side of the card

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wagnerrp:

even more so when the manual turned out to be wrong?

[08:00:34]

eric_:

I have to buy another coax cord so I can have them plugged in at the same time

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iamlindoro_:

like I said, you can either get out a piece of paper and write "2–1 12345" and so on, and then edit the channels in the channel scanner, too

[08:00:51]

iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp, indeed

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justinh:

well, here goes nothing

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, The pencil and paper route may or may not be faster than getting mythweb set up for you

[08:01:47]

iamlindoro_:

write the channel number down, watch for a few moments to figure out what it is, check the XMLTVid on Schedules direct, write that down

[08:01:49]

iamlindoro_:

and so on

[08:02:01]

iamlindoro_:

then take the whole list and plug them all in at once through mythweb or mythtv-setup step 6

[08:02:18]

eric_:

I'll probably do the pencil and paper thing.

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justinh:

what? RMA approved, collection arranged. No hassle. WHAT?!

[08:02:44]

justinh:

not at all what I was expecting

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iamlindoro_:

eric_, There may be some bogus channels in there too that were Video on Demand channels going while you were scanning

[08:03:06]

iamlindoro_:

you can just ignore those that are black/don't function right/you can't figure out

[08:03:14]

iamlindoro_:

if you get the basics going you should be very happy :)

[08:03:35]

wagnerrp:

if you tune to one of those channels, and there is no longer a feed

[08:03:38]

iamlindoro_:

but like you said, that's a job for another day, I too have work in 6 hours

[08:03:51]

wagnerrp:

mythtv will hang there for several seconds, and then dump you back out to the main menu

[08:04:06]

wagnerrp:

now you have a problem, because not that tuner will have remember that as its last channel

[08:04:16]

wagnerrp:

and when you go back into livetv, it will try to go back to that channel

[08:04:37]

iamlindoro_:

that said, you can solve the problem by setting up a recording for the tuner on anotehr known good channel

[08:04:42]

wagnerrp:

if you cant get it to change channels before crashing back to the main menu, you can go into mythtv setup, and set the default channel

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wagnerrp:

or yeah... make a manual recording

[08:05:06]

iamlindoro_:

anyway, that's enough for me for one night

[08:05:18]

iamlindoro_:

worth staying up late for people that listen, don't have attitude, and read the manual

[08:05:28]

iamlindoro_:

back to being a surly SOB in the AM

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eric_:

thanks for all the help!

[08:06:03]

eric_:

Going to bed too.

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justinh:

so RMA done.. I still need a UPS. Hmmm

[08:20:25]

** Dibblah recommends ebay. **

[08:20:38]

Dibblah:

And a scrap yart.

[08:20:41]

Dibblah:

yard, even.

[08:21:22]

justinh:

new or used? I doubt a used one could be trusted unless I was aiming to buy a really cheap duffer & put a new battery in it

[08:24:08]

Dibblah:

Used ones can be trusted well enough.

[08:24:23]

Dibblah:

As long as you spark test then voltage test.

[08:24:39]

justinh:

spark test?

[08:24:54]

Dibblah:

My UPS cost a total of £40 and lasts for about 3 hours.

[08:24:55]

justinh:

as in short the battery momentarily?

[08:24:57]

Dibblah:

Yes.

[08:25:01]

justinh:

heh

[08:25:21]

Dibblah:

Jumper lead, bang, with leads of multimeter pre-attached, if possible.

[08:25:28]

justinh:

new batteries aren't all that anyway. easily picked up

[08:25:35]

Dibblah:

Indeed.

[08:25:48]

justinh:

I doubt any UPS I can afford uses smart cells

[08:25:52]

Dibblah:

And copper pipe makes a cheap busbar.

[08:25:58]

justinh:

lol

[08:26:41]

justinh:

hmm I could put my cctv on a higher power one.. and my router

[08:27:41]

justinh:

and if I buy APC I prolly won't have to dick around with hacked NUT code

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justinh:

I had a careful peek in the plexus one & the fault is the USB micro. giving out wrong IDs on da bus.

[08:30:23]

justinh:

windows says so. linux says so. USB analyser says so

[08:30:42]

justinh:

no protection on the USB port either, making it one to avoid

[08:32:22]

justinh:

the micros are in sockets which prolly says something about their longevity

[08:32:46]

Dibblah:

APC is really moderately nice to deal with.

[08:33:03]

Dibblah:

Doesn't cope well with non-standard batteries, though, for obvious reasons.

[08:33:24]

justinh:

I only got the plexus one because it was 500VA & half the price of the APC 350VA model

[08:33:35]

Dibblah:

As in the runtime doesn't change with bigger batteries.

[08:33:41]

Dibblah:

Estimated runtime, I mean.

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justinh:

heck all I really need is one that closes contacts when the mains goes out

[08:34:22]

justinh:

charge remaining etc is handy to have but it's not the be-all

[08:35:00]

justinh:

oo here's one in rochdale I could pick up if I win

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PaulWay:

Hi all!

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Dibblah:

Check the selling history to get an idea of market price.

[08:36:04]

PaulWay:

I'm having problems with my mythbackend not providing port 6543.

[08:36:15]

PaulWay:

I had similar problems yesterday.

[08:36:27]

Dibblah:

Is it starting up as the MBE yet?

[08:36:39]

PaulWay:

It says it is...

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Dibblah:

Woo hoo.

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justinh:

Dibblah approx 25 quids. heh

[08:37:14]

Dibblah:

Is there a good reason not to backup the database and restart from scratch?

[08:37:22]

Dibblah:

You've spent a day on it already.

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PaulWay:

2009-04–03 19:32:28.963 mythbackend: MythBackend started as master server

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justinh:

I dunno why you didn't just move the whole lot in one go

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justinh:

you only end up messing about even more

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PaulWay:

I just simply haven't had time.

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justinh:

lol

[08:41:07]

PaulWay:

And I don't have a good aerial connection at my new server.

[08:41:25]

PaulWay:

Really, I'd love to have had the day off so I could have transferred it all across.

[08:42:51]

justinh:

my 'new' backend was a simple case of dump the DB, install the new OS, install software, hack the hostname changes, import the database... tada

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justinh:

"We are currently upgrading our website database. Please come back soon". Absolutely useless

[08:49:22]

justinh:

"we are too lazy to do this properly and want to lose business. Come back, PLEASE"

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sid3windr:

"it's sunday, the website is closed."

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sid3windr:

^ companies house UK

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justinh:

lol. they just don't get it do they?

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PaulWay:

justinh: awesome fail.

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justinh:

obviously they aren't up to the task of doing things properly.. or planning

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justinh:

ooo look. search for 'ups' on microdirect's website & I see graphics cards, laptop cases.. memory...

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justinh:

anything but UPS

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sid3windr:

they're probably all delivered by UPS

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PaulWay:

Heh.

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justinh:

ctrl-F on the page finds no occurence of 'ups'

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sid3windr:

that's because YOU can't select * from products where shippingmethod='UPS' ;)

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

hmm/ MGE. never heard of them

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justinh:

not that I want to use MD anyway. they're the ones who let you pay before they ring the warehouse to find out if it's _actually_ in stock

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sid3windr:

mge rocks

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sid3windr:

they've taken over APC a few years back btw :)

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sid3windr:

and now eaton bought mge so most UPS'es are from the same mothercompany now :p

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justinh:

oo this one comes with Powercute software (sic)

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justinh:

I hate computer retailers

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sid3windr:

lol

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at0m:

justinh, working in the [expedition] industry, i know they'll all throw with whatever that's not too heavy

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at0m:

so yea they will throw the computer ;°

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justinh:

oh I know. I've seen planes being loaded & unloaded. And vans

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justinh:

even when it's palletised it's not safe

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at0m:

exactly

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at0m:

had been working 56hrs in 3 days on getting a plane out of italy, when our part which had our last hope arrived, they pushed it out of the rear belly straight to the tarmac

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at0m:

part you can buy a couple of houses from eh

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PaulWay:

OK, the mythbackend is on the new server.

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PaulWay:

I haven't set any cards up yet.

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PaulWay:

Might as well do that now...

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justinh:

arranged for the junk to be collected on Monday from here. In better packaging than they shipped it in.. i.e. not just the actual box the thing comes in

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justinh:

hahaha. Madonna fails to buy 2nd kid

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gbee:

outbid at the last minute? Ebay can be a real pain

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PaulWay:

ahahahahahah

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justinh:

heh

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PaulWay:

Is there anything special that I have to do for a slave backend?

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PaulWay:

Or is having write access to an NFS share and the master backend plugged into its settings enough?

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Dibblah:

Actually, you don't even need the NFS share.

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Dibblah:

The backends can be essentially completely independent.

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PaulWay:

Well, that will be nice. NFS has been playing silly-buggers.

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PaulWay:

All they need is to communicate on port 6543?

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Dibblah:

And to the database server.

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justinh:

hmmm me hungy. need to wait for this auction to finish

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PaulWay:

Dibblah: neat. Now to try and work out if the slave backend is actually talking to the master.

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justinh:

check da logz

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justinh:

hmmm. if I win this item at this price I think it'd be taking the piss to ask if I can collect it – but I will anyway

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PaulWay:

justinh: what should I look for?

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justinh:

bugger. outbid at the last minute. sniped by software no doubt. I should install that again

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justinh:

hmmm. I want to see if a slave backend and a master backend are talking to one another. what should I look for in the logs? :-\

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PaulWay:

The idea of not bidding the actual maximum of what you want to pay for it and being done with it seems ludicrous to me.

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justinh:

ends up where you pay more than you have to :)

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PaulWay:

So I see the slave saying "mythbackend: MythBackend started as a slave backend" and the master saying "Starting up as the master server." as expected.

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PaulWay:

But it should be recording something right now and there's no data moving between the two on port 6543

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PaulWay:

*sigh*

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PaulWay:

Right, currently it says recorders are offline.

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PaulWay:

Curse it – why is it offline?

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snakedog:

has anyone figured out which profiles mythweb uses when it tries to transcode?

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ruskie:

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5134160105.html <--- hmm

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justinh:

yawn

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justinh:

ATI graphics & it supports h.264 VC-1 up to 1080p with HDCP in linux? On which planet?

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ruskie:

probably uses non-Free drivers or even custom ones

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justinh:

looks like they designed their website in GIMP too. Nasty jaggies everywhere

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PaulWay:

One quick question – why would it be showing all tuners offline when the slave backend has two tuners?

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PaulWay:

The tuner firmware isn't working on the master.

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justinh:

and today's big question is... can I 'just'... "put some software designed for another product, on this product?". Myers

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justinh:

well at least it's the same architecture. that's something

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justinh:

hmm. quick answer..NO this damn thing won't work & it's a lame idea. Long answer.. erm. Hmm. The software needs to be rewritten

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justinh:

who the hell are ebuyer kidding? just got confirmation collection email from them- the item could be picked up between 9am (ok) and 7pm !!! yeah like I'm gonna hang around work that long

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GrahamIRC:

good of them to narrow it down a bit

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justinh:

looks like I will be if they don't come earlier. :-\

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justinh:

well,they said monday the 6th april.... not which year

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Cougar:

what does it mean: TVRec(12): CancelNextRecording(1) — error, unknown recording

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Cougar:

this is iptv that should listen multicast stream

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Cougar:

I can't get it working with trunk. with 0.20 it did work

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Cougar:

sorry, found a problem. after adding new encoders to second backend I had to restart main backen too

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justinh:

'Browser' !!!!JAVASCRIPT ERROR: string is not a function... bloody software

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justinh:

arghhhh effing bastard c***s. they've changed the ftp username & password without telling anybody

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justinh:

but made it guessable. heh

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justinh:

3.5 bells.. I'm offski!

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gbee:

7 bells

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sphery:

It's kind of annoying when people on the list answer other people's questions when the OP is asking how to do something that they plan to use to do something else the wrong way...

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iamlindoro:

I read what you just said, but now my eyes are bleeding and I don't know where I live

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sphery:

heh

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sid3windr:

=)

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sid3windr:

I had a parse failure 4 times now

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sid3windr:

but I think I got it!

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sphery:

The guy asking how to get the recording filename from the MythWeb link ( mythweb/tv/detail/1010/1238544000 )

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sid3windr:

well THAT I would also like to know :>

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sphery:

He wants to copy a file using filesystem tools... He's asking how to get a filename from a MythWeb link, when he should just use mythrename.pl --link...

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sphery:

then copy using the link names

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iamlindoro:

Why doesn't he want to use mythrename?

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iamlindoro:

Note that the mythweb link, when clicked, *will* give you a friendly name

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iamlindoro:

or is he trying to parse the HTML for his own purposes or something?

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iamlindoro:

in which case tell him to copy the bit where it creates the nice filename

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iamlindoro:

OK, just read the thread

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iamlindoro:

holy god, why would anyone do that last thing? Masochistic much?

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sphery:

yeah, he wants to use standard filesystem tools, TTBOMK

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sphery:

and, yeah, that last one...

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sphery:

"I just invented this new thing that I'll call the triangular wheel..."

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tank-man:

answer is in its current form mythweb will not give you the filename

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iamlindoro:

Sure it will. You just can't parse it from that particular piece of information is all

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iamlindoro:

and it's silly to do so as all he wants to do is change/understand it from the filesystem-- Mythrename is definitely the right tool for the job there

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iamlindoro:

Why in the world he wanted to parse mythweb for the info is beyond me

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sphery:

Only thing I can think of is he wants to use a pretty GUI to find the shows to copy to his laptop...

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gbee:

sphery: or maybe he just wanted a quick way to get the filename so he could copy it off to another machine/drive

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gbee:

I've been frustrated with the same thing, I want to copy/move over a file to mythvideo but I have to guess at the filename

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iamlindoro:

gbee: But if you wanted to do that, why wouldn't you use mythrename --link ?

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gbee:

because I don't want my recording directory filled with useless links?

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tank-man:

create a user job to copy to your destination or make a sym link somewhere

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iamlindoro:

Then you can use the PBB->Mythvideo export patch ;)

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tank-man:

like a usb drive

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gbee:

tank-man: that assumes it would always be the same location

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tank-man:

the destination?

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gbee:

no-one is suggesting that this is a common scenario, but currently it's a right pain to work out the filename when you've got a legitimate reason for wanting it

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gbee:

tank-man: aye

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tank-man:

so edit the user job script if you use my suggestion :)

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gbee:

just think you're trying to read too much into a simple question – guy wanted to know if there was a way to determine the filename from mythweb (there use to be)

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sphery:

gbee: the links don't go to the recordings dir, they go to the directory you specify after --link... I.e. mythrename.pl --link /path/to/my/pretty/view/of/recordings

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gbee:

tank-man: meh, if I wanted _more_ work and not less ;)

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sphery:

and, you can do it as easily as: mkdir ~/templinks && mythrename.pl --link ~/templinks

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sphery:

then remove ~/templinks when you're done

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gbee:

sphery: still I now have to create a directory, run mythrename.pl – wait for it to finish generating links for a few hundred recordings etc ... lot of messing about when all I want to do is cp/mv

[16:01:02]

gbee:

I don't think the question is at all unreasonable, that's all

[16:01:03]

sphery:

gbee: well, from that standpoint, as one poster mentioned, just look at the image filename for the preview image. But, if you're copying more than 1 recording, that's going to be a /lot/ slower than using mythrename.pl --link. Especially since you also have to figure out which directory the file whose name you now know is is.

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sphery:

s/is is/is in/

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iamlindoro:

gbee: That wasn't what the question *was*, though-- the question was how to parse the filename out of a piece of information having an extremely remote relation to the actual filename: mythweb/tv/detail/1010/1238544000

[16:03:12]

meshe:

in my case, why i want that is to play the show over an smb share without copying it

[16:03:53]

iamlindoro:

If the question were "How do I figure out the filename from the title/channel/etc." then yes, that's a perfectly legit question... but in this case it's asking how to abstract it from about the worst possible source of info

[16:04:05]

iamlindoro:

ergo the suggestion that he take one of the many well-trodded paths instead

[16:04:29]

wagnerrp:

i was just reading that thread..

[16:04:44]

sphery:

gbee: On my system, I get http://pastebin.ca/1381007 --i.e. according to logs, mythlink.sh (which runs mythrename.pl /5/ times) completes in 2 1/2 minutes with my 796 recordings. If you have your system run it once every half hour (or even once a day) and leave the links in place, it doesn't take any extra time of yours

[16:05:05]

sphery:

so, each run of mythrename.pl takes about 30 seconds for my ~800 recordings

[16:05:20]

sphery:

and that includes deleting all the existing symlinks /before/ creating new ones

[16:05:45]

tank-man:

i didnt know "rm -rf ." took a long time :)

[16:06:07]

sphery:

tank-man: it doesn't do rm -rf . as that would delete stuff that it didn't create...

[16:06:20]

sphery:

it just looks for all the symlinks under the directory specified and deletes them individuall

[16:06:24]

sphery:

y

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** sphery runs mythrename.pl --link / on tank-man's system **

[16:07:31]

wagnerrp:

that reminds me, i need to pick up a couple CPAN modules that werent in my package tree

[16:07:45]

wagnerrp:

mythrename *runs*, but it spits out a whole bunch of errors

[16:08:21]

wagnerrp:

five times though?

[16:08:30]

iamlindoro:

I love when people threaten to drop myth on the list

[16:08:38]

iamlindoro:

What do they expect the reaction will be?

[16:08:47]

iamlindoro:

"Frankly, I'm ready to drop myth..."

[16:08:50]

iamlindoro:

Seeya!

[16:09:04]

wagnerrp:

i love when people use ambiguous titles, like 'help...'

[16:09:54]

tank-man:

threaten them with the response of just archiving/deleting all email from the list, empty inbox yeah!

[16:10:46]

sid3windr:

cronning mythrename every half our does not help if you want to stream a recording that just started 5min ago ;)

[16:11:02]

wagnerrp:

it absolutely does

[16:11:10]

wagnerrp:

you just run it a couple minutes past the half hour

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sid3windr:

depends what time it is

[16:11:13]

sid3windr:

:p

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iamlindoro:

You cron at 1 and 31 acter the hour

[16:11:17]

iamlindoro:

er after

[16:11:23]

iamlindoro:

and 16 ant 46 if you like

[16:11:28]

iamlindoro:

er and

[16:11:37]

sid3windr:

I don't know where you watch tv but shows here definitely are not scheduled at 5, 15 or 30-min intervals

[16:11:38]

sphery:

I use 2 and 32 :)

[16:11:51]

sphery:

in the US they are

[16:11:59]

wagnerrp:

the problem is finding a player that accepts changing file lengths

[16:11:59]

sphery:

(30 minutes, though)

[16:12:03]

sid3windr:

yea, I have "sci-fi netherlands" here, sometimes

[16:12:09]

wagnerrp:

nothing ive used will do that

[16:12:13]

sid3windr:

which is an odd channel to me :)

[16:12:14]

sphery:

sid3windr: you can also run mythrename.pl as a user job

[16:12:15]

wagnerrp:

i have to keep re-opening the file

[16:12:23]

sphery:

so every recording that starts kicks off mythrename.pl...

[16:12:41]

meshe:

yeah, it's pretty much a standard for 00 and 30 starts, except for say TBS

[16:12:42]

sphery:

really, though, to do that you /should/ write a script that ensures only one copy of it is running at a time

[16:12:49]

sid3windr:

sci-fi runs a show and then has to fill up between 2 and 12 minutes to get to the next half hour point to start a new one :]

[16:12:54]

sid3windr:

sphery: yeah, I understand ;)

[16:13:07]

sid3windr:

because of the above discussion I put mythrename on the todo for tonight ;))

[16:13:15]

sphery:

sid3windr: but, really, why would you need /filesystem/ access to the file just to watch a show--after all, I /think/ there's some code in Myth to allow watching shows that Myth records...

[16:13:26]

wagnerrp:

sid3windr: cant say ive ever seen that happen... of course i dont know what this 'sci-fi' channel is

[16:13:40]

sid3windr:

sphery: i've had this discussion many times before in this channel.. ;)

[16:14:10]

sid3windr:

wagnerrp: well, it's a channel and it's called like that ;) ... show starts at :00, takes about 22min to finish.. then they have 8 minutes of repetitive crap until :30, next show starts, etc

[16:14:26]

meshe:

probably the typical usage case: working on a windows machine and want to watch what the backend is recording

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sphery:

so, it sounds like they put all the commercials at the end of the show?

[16:14:33]

sid3windr:

sphery: my desktop is windows xp, when I'm in the "home office" I don't have a tv, so I watch tv on my 2nd monitor :)

[16:14:35]

sphery:

how I would love that

[16:14:52]

sphery:

ah, well, there's the problem :)

[16:14:59]

sid3windr:

sphery: no, there are no commercials (it's a sci-fi only channel, costs extra to have it)

[16:15:16]

sid3windr:

they put an interview with paul verhoeven at the end, or some star trek history stuff

[16:15:23]

sid3windr:

except it's 5x the same per day, every d**n day .. ;)

[16:15:55]

wagnerrp:

farewell dear SciFi, welcome skin leasions

[16:16:00]

sid3windr:

but I don't have it now anymore, don't want to pay extra for that.. I only watch it when they have a promotion where it's free for a month :>

[16:17:03]

meshe:

do user jobs run at the beginning of a recording or at the end?

[16:17:05]

wagnerrp:

oh, youre not talking about *the* scifi channel, but rather a premium one?

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tank-man:

meshe, at the end

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sid3windr:

wagnerrp: we don't have a "the sci-fi" channel here .. so yeah, here it's a premium one

[16:18:01]

sid3windr:

I'm not even sure it's affiliated with "your" "the" scifi channel :)

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tank-man:

meshe, most likely after commercial detection/transcoding

[16:18:55]

** sid3windr ducks in advance, because I haven't looked it up in the docs, but.. when myth says it found a commercial (while watching a recording) how do you actually skip past it? **

[16:19:12]

meshe:

hit the skip key

[16:19:21]

meshe:

or enable commercial auto-skip

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sid3windr:

ah

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sphery:

meshe: good point... they run at the end

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sid3windr:

I'll have to configure a skip key on the remote I guess

[16:19:47]

sid3windr:

I didn't want to enable autoskip just yet :)

[16:19:56]

sphery:

so it seems that the cron-based approach wins, again

[16:20:37]

meshe:

i watched a movie that was recorded off a channel with commercials last night and auto-skip worked great, other times not so great

[16:20:51]

meshe:

i need to figure out the editing of the cut list

[16:21:26]

sphery:

I like notify, but don't skip

[16:21:58]

meshe:

i default it to auto-skip and change it if it seems to be having a problem with detection

[16:22:07]

sphery:

with a button mapped to skip, you can watch, plus you actually understand there was a commercial break, so the wind-down/spin-up makes more sense

[16:22:17]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: So yeah. Life on Mars Finale. Very weird/silly.

[16:23:02]

meshe:

i started playing with custom schedules last night, pretty cool, you can set up myth to watch for a show that's not even in it's listings yet

[16:23:32]

sphery:

yeah, you can do that with a search rule, too--i.e. title search

[16:23:40]

sid3windr:

ooh

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sid3windr:

"record anything that says <porn> on the title"

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sid3windr:

:]

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sphery:

but custom goes way beyond (like the First Episodes thing that probably got you started with custom rules :)

[16:24:00]

meshe:

i set one up for my husband to watch for anything that includes godzilla in the title

[16:24:44]

meshe:

yeah, i enjoy myth more and more each time i mess with it

[16:24:55]

sphery:

you should really make it complete and handle Gojira, too

[16:25:03]

RyeBrye:

Isn't there someone working on a patch to make the cutlist editing much cooler? i.e. show the frames before and after the cutpoint?

[16:25:17]

sphery:

someone posted one, yeah

[16:25:23]

meshe:

still things i need to work out, like removing the commercials in a transcode to iphone

[16:25:29]

sphery:

don't know how much of the requested work was done, though

[16:25:35]

RyeBrye:

It was for 0.21 and needs to be ported to mythUI, right?

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sphery:

I think he "ported" it (but didn't actually test it or something)

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: What my latest response to the "should be a way to delete an old slave" thread doesn't say after, "Patches accepted..." is, "The best way for you to figure out why it's not there is for you to try to write the code such that it works for all cases..."

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meshe:

the best thing about open source is you don't have to wait for somebody else to fix it

[16:31:30]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Yes, lots of "It really should do this" and little/no "here, I've made it do this"

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: and, the "ALTER TABLE mytable AUTO_INCREMENT = 1;" response to your post just helps explain why so many people will have problems upgrading to 0.22... (Because they've broken their DB's because they're messing with DB data whose constraints they don't understand.)

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meshe:

*cringe*

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iamlindoro:

sphery: *sigh*

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sphery:

meshe: /that/ is why we need the embedded DB--because people edit (and break) their DB data and blame Myth when it doesn't work.

[16:33:42]

sphery:

If they didn't know there's a DB...

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RyeBrye:

Ah http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6322 is the ticket. Hmm... maybe I'll apply this and test it – looks like it does work against trunk now

[16:35:36]

meshe:

switching to embedded db may cause other problems though, IE: i'm not sure if any of the perl code will work anymore

[16:35:48]

meshe:

or php

[16:35:49]

iamlindoro:

The perl code should use the bindings anyway

[16:36:11]

iamlindoro:

And that which doesn't should be... "expired" :)

[16:36:31]

sphery:

exactly

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sphery:

but I'm pretty sure you can access an embedded MySQL across the network just the same as if it were a "full" MySQL

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sphery:

(with the right code, that is)

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meshe:

nope, network is disabled in libmysqld

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meshe:

they may have updated the perl binding though (looking)

[16:39:56]

sphery:

well, as you were saying, before, we really don't want anyone accessing the (main) DB other than the master backend, anyway, so...

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meshe:

*nod*

[16:40:55]

iamlindoro:

I spend a lot of time mucking in the DB with some of my work on Myth, so it'd be nice to have a back door in-- but sadly, having a back door in would mean people would use it

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sphery:

iamlindoro: if you muck with the code in Myth, you've always got a back door in

[16:41:49]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Heh, right, just nice to be able to test queries outside of testing the code that wraps them

[16:42:02]

meshe:

yeah, the perl bindings have been updated to work with the embedded server

[16:42:16]

sphery:

that's what your full MySQL server with a backup the the embedded DB restored to it is for...

[16:42:19]

meshe:

i could easily whip up a perl script that would do that iamlindoro

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sphery:

testing outside of code

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iamlindoro:

meshe: You might be able to, but I couldn't necesarily :)

[16:42:55]

iamlindoro:

oh mese

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iamlindoro:

meshe

[16:43:17]

iamlindoro:

go fix #6421 :)

[16:43:28]

iamlindoro:

And figure out why my first fix sorta works but breaks other stuff

[16:43:31]

iamlindoro:

and fix that :)

[16:44:18]

meshe:

meaning if it was switched to embedded then i could write a script that would give you a mysql shell to the embedded db

[16:44:34]

iamlindoro:

Well that would be nice

[16:45:21]

meshe:

it looks like the limitation though for embedded mysql is that it should only have one client

[16:45:37]

meshe:

so a sigle connection from the backend only, no plugins connecting to it

[16:45:49]

iamlindoro:

okay, enough about that

[16:45:51]

iamlindoro:

go fix that: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6421

[16:45:53]

iamlindoro:

;)

[16:46:17]

meshe:

*looks*

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sphery:

You know, meshe , you've now convinced me even more that we need an embedded DB... If it can't be accessed over the network or through the regular mysql client, it would solve a /lot/ of problems with users breaking things and blaming Myth.

[16:46:20]

iamlindoro:

It's not my ticket, but the first patch is mine-- thought it was the fix but then I found it made some other queries not work

[16:46:53]

sphery:

of course, once you write your perl script and give it to a couple of devs and some non devs find it and make it avialable to everyone else, we'll be back where we started

[16:47:09]

RyeBrye:

I'll totally backport it to 0.18-fixes and earlier

[16:47:10]

meshe:

*nod*

[16:47:12]

RyeBrye:

I'll be a hero

[16:47:15]

RyeBrye:

;)

[16:47:29]

iamlindoro:

RyeBrye: Make sure ot take credit for it

[16:47:34]

iamlindoro:

"My work on embedded MySQL in myth..."

[16:47:49]

sphery:

I'm surprised at how popular my site has become...

[16:47:52]

RyeBrye:

I already started a doain: "RyeBryesAwesomeWork.com" where I take donations for my backports

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** iamlindoro goes to read the JYA self-flagellation page again **

[16:48:05]

RyeBrye:

;)

[16:48:19]

iamlindoro:

"So I guess that putting so much time in MythTV at the risk of destroying my marriage have some upsides after all: fame :)"

[16:48:21]

iamlindoro:

WHAT

[16:48:22]

iamlindoro:

A

[16:48:23]

iamlindoro:

DOUCHE

[16:48:27]

sphery:

I wonder how many donations he's gotten...

[16:49:12]

iamlindoro:

"I'm famous! I totally cut and pasted myself some VIDDPOW!"

[16:49:40]

meshe:

lol

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jams:

iamlindoro- you could always dontate $1,000,000 so he will come visit your personally.

[16:49:54]

sphery:

after all, it makes /so/ much sense to donate to him because, "This hobby however does cost [him] a great deal of money. [He] buy[s] a lot of videocards and motherboards to properly review and test them."

[16:50:07]

iamlindoro:

jams: oh YAY! But then the papparazzi would just be following us and would never leave us alone

[16:50:10]

iamlindoro:

he's famous you know

[16:50:19]

sphery:

Makes sense to get the equipment for the guy who just backports as opposed to the guy who writes the code itself...

[16:50:27]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, what a tool

[16:50:53]

sphery:

iamlindoro: did he ever say famous, or just the part about "surprised by the amount of people who visited my site"

[16:51:00]

iamlindoro:

"I always do my best to provide the maximum of information possible. If you require personalised assistance you can hire me or consider donating. Please understand that this is still a hobby, I’m not a fan of tech support and I do need to make a living"

[16:51:11]

iamlindoro:

sphery: He said the side effect of his myth hobby was fame

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sphery:

on list or on his site?

[16:51:32]

iamlindoro:

Then the f**king dick suggests that people seek help from us for further stuff

[16:51:36]

iamlindoro:

sphery: on the site

[16:51:43]

iamlindoro:

see my comment at :48

[16:51:43]

sphery:

missed that part...

[16:51:47]

iamlindoro:

that's a direct cut and paste

[16:51:53]

RyeBrye:

The side effect of my myth hobby is I have a DVR that works most of the time (except for when I screw it up)

[16:51:57]

sphery:

oh...

[16:52:12]

sphery:

yeah, I couldn't finish that sentence...

[16:52:23]

sphery:

had to stop reading for my sanity

[16:53:08]

iamlindoro:

Then there's the part where he says that patches not written by him are "his" patches

[16:53:34]

iamlindoro:

Like the AAC LATM patch

[16:53:38]

iamlindoro:

Which is Paul Kendall

[16:54:19]

meshe:

do you have an example where your patch breaks?

[16:54:28]

iamlindoro:

meshe: Pinocchio

[16:54:54]

iamlindoro:

Note that all of these are for the -B option

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sphery:

yeah, "my patches," was a /very/ poor choice of words for, "patches I've selected to include in my fork"

[16:56:04]

iamlindoro:

tmdb.pl -B 0032910

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iamlindoro:

meshe: ^^

[16:56:22]

iamlindoro:

error becomes "Not an ARRAY reference at ./tmdb.pl line 268."

[16:56:45]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Yeah, I just can't see how that would be an accidental choice of words

[16:56:47]

meshe:

will be fixed in a sec

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iamlindoro:

meshe: Thanks, I know nothing of perl and probably jumped the gun in attaching the fix

[16:58:14]

sphery:

I can't wait to see the right fix, myself

[16:58:29]

sphery:

I don't understand how sometimes it's an array and sometimes not

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meshe:

patch is in the ticket

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meshe:

basically if there is only one result, the xml gets parsed into a perl datastructure with a single scalar value, not an array, if there are multiple values then it creates an array reference

[17:04:53]

iamlindoro:

Yep, tested and confirmed to work on all examples in the ticket here. Thanks! :)

[17:05:05]

meshe:

no problem

[17:05:06]

iamlindoro:

I think it's good to get that script as ship-shape as possible before .22

[17:05:33]

meshe:

any other specific problems in the perl stuff, just let me know

[17:06:47]

meshe:

ack, i reformatted 2 of the references but not the first one

[17:07:27]

jams:

meshe- your offering to fix perl?

[17:07:45]

jams:

good luck with that

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meshe:

not perl, perl is fine, the mythtv perl code

[17:08:13]

meshe:

i've been coding perl for 8 or so years fulltime

[17:09:14]

iamlindoro:

"Due to policy/political/licensing reasons, MythTV will remove its support for IMDb. But IMHO IMDb is the most complete source of information available."

[17:09:33]

iamlindoro:

"It's illegal to rob banks. But IMHO banks are the places where the most money is."

[17:09:37]

iamlindoro:

parallel?

[17:10:14]

meshe:

lol

[17:10:48]

iamlindoro:

God I hate that guy

[17:10:56]

meshe:

who is that?

[17:11:07]

sphery:

meshe is a perl genius

[17:11:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: rotfl!!!! ;-)

[17:11:18]

iamlindoro:

meshe: http://avenard.com/media/Patches_%26_Add-Ons/ . . . scripts.html

[17:11:28]

iamlindoro:

El Backpuerto

[17:11:29]

meshe:

oh

[17:12:07]

meshe:

wow

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sphery:

btw, meshe , if you're uploading a file to a ticket, it's often a good idea to also add a comment to the ticket (versus just a comment to the patch) since the only time an e-mail goes out is when a ticket comment is added... iamlindoro's comment is probably enough for this one, though

[17:14:13]

sphery:

the e-mails often tempt devs to take on the ticket/commit the patch as opposed to just waiting for someone to stumble across it :)

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iamlindoro:

So another thing about JYA-- His backport is a virtual guarantee that at least some people who would have tried trunk and submitted valid, decent bug reports won't.

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sphery:

why's that?

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Because at least some of them will just opt to use his backport instead

[17:14:59]

sphery:

oh

[17:15:01]

sphery:

got it

[17:15:11]

kormoc:

Yay... Forks!

[17:15:33]

iamlindoro:

It's pretty forked up all right

[17:15:42]

** sphery spoons his open source **

[17:15:59]

iamlindoro:

anyway, knife to see you again kormoc

[17:16:07]

sphery:

It's all about showing it how much you care...

[17:16:17]

iamlindoro:

I feel like there's always a spork between us...

[17:16:51]

iamlindoro:

It's been a busy morning, I've had tongs of work to do

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** kormoc growns **

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** sid3windr grows **

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** kormoc shrinks into irrelevance **

[17:21:09]

dustybin:

Thats Numberwang!

[17:21:36]

iamlindoro:

6422 = FRW/OP?

[17:21:54]

meshe:

ahh, ok, thanks for the tip sphery, and sorry for the top post last night i was exhausted and the iPhone top-posts automatically

[17:22:25]

sphery:

did I complain about one of yours?

[17:22:41]

meshe:

no, just saying sorry about it, realized it after i hit send

[17:23:02]

sphery:

heh... Guess I'm complaining too much when people apologize to me.

[17:23:13]

meshe:

rules is rules

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gbee:

too late for sphery to call off the hit, you should leave town for a few days until things cool down

[17:23:54]

meshe:

heh

[17:24:01]

iamlindoro:

NOCARRIER

[17:24:09]

RyeBrye:

I'm going to start top-posting in IRC — Sphere said: "heh... Guess I'm complaining too much when people apologize to me."

[17:24:13]

iamlindoro:

s/OC/O C/

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sphery:

lol

[17:25:04]

iamlindoro:

#6423 is helpful

[17:25:30]

iamlindoro:

I'm liable to get lost in all that diagnostic info

[17:25:58]

RyeBrye:

I don't know – people who just want vdpau can go stroke JYA's ego. I think people who want all the latest and greatest will continue to run MythTV-trunk. It's not like it's not easy to get binaries of it. Doesnt Mythbuntu do weekly builds of the trunk?

[17:27:11]

gbutters_work:

yes

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sphery:

TTBOMK, MythBuntu has not done any trunk builds newer than the SVN rev where we switched to Qt4

[17:27:54]

gbee:

which is odd

[17:28:26]

sphery:

though pleasantly quiet on the "invalid tickets" front :)

[17:28:27]

iamlindoro:

RyeBrye: Don't think anyone objects to clueless users being clueless users, I think people (self included) take exception to him tacitly or actively claiming credit for the work of others

[17:28:29]

** meshe starts building a database abstraction layer for the schema she just designed **

[17:28:45]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, exactly

[17:28:48]

sphery:

mythconverg?

[17:28:56]

meshe:

heh

[17:29:06]

meshe:

not on work time

[17:29:06]

sphery:

I can always hope

[17:29:33]

meshe:

btw, mysql workbench is awesome

[17:30:40]

sphery:

#6423???

[17:30:42]

kormoc:

It was really horrid in the past

[17:30:51]

kormoc:

horrid to the point of dropping tables it didn't like

[17:31:11]

meshe:

haha, i don't let it actually touch the db except to pull in a schema

[17:31:21]

meshe:

i work with the raw DDL when creating tables

[17:31:59]

kormoc:

sphery, iamlindoro, I wonder if that's a 'infoneeded' or a 'works for me' or just 'invalid'...

[17:32:00]

meshe:

but it's quite nice for designing tables

[17:33:22]

sphery:

heh, I see iamlindoro is 5 minutes faster than I

[17:33:32]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: HEh, Almost certainly an invalid, but I suppose asking him to elaborate in the name of kindness couldn't hurt

[17:34:25]

gbee:

if I were doing it daily I might want a tool to help design tables, but I quite enjoy the exercise of planning out schemas with nothing than a pen and paper

[17:34:25]

sphery:

i.e. "what /exactly/ do you mean by 'log into myth tv from another pc'"

[17:34:37]

gbee:

but that's probably why I'm not a DBA

[17:34:41]

sid3windr:

telnet backend port .. :>

[17:35:18]

meshe:

gbee: nah, good db design quite often involves lots of paper and or whiteboard space

[17:35:31]

gbee:

s/nothing than/nothing more than/ – and that's why I'm not a secretary either, can't type ;)

[17:36:45]

gbee:

both sides of my whiteboard are full atm, I should really find a way to clear some space so that I can start using it again ;)

[17:36:58]

meshe:

the last major schema we designed took like 3 weeks and about 50 pieces of paper

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sid3windr:

gbee: it's called "second whiteboard" :>

[17:37:35]

sid3windr:

or getting a digital one which can save stuff !

[17:38:30]

meshe:

i would love a digial whiteboard

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gbee:

sid3windr: I'd start running out of space fast if I buy a new whiteboard every time I fill one :)

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meshe:

though the OCR would never recognize my writing

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gbee:

I actually have two, one's a little 18" thing which can be popped off the wall and I regularly use as a 'laptop' board

[17:41:27]

kormoc:

meshe, they're so costly... just couldn't believe the price

[17:42:10]

meshe:

yeah, they were 1000's of dollars when i looked at them like 6–7 years ago

[17:42:34]

kormoc:

I think a 2x3 footer was around 10k when I looked

[17:42:44]

** iamlindoro grumbles about people saying ITV HD "just works" for them in MythTV **

[17:42:48]

iamlindoro:

yeah right

[17:43:09]

meshe:

it's like "those are cool and would be useful, but a 5' whiteboard is $200

[17:43:48]

kormoc:

Exactly

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genii:

meshe: I feel the same way about the expense of business projectors

[17:43:55]

gbee:

iamlindoro: who's saying that?

[17:44:09]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Someone asked about.. bah, never mind, I'll link the thread :)

[17:44:14]

gbee:

works for me, but of course I had to patch myth first

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meshe:

genii: well at least my company bought a couple of those

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iamlindoro:

gbee: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-April/252571.html

[17:44:45]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Exactly

[17:45:21]

gbee:

or not, looks like a fix was committed/backported

[17:45:26]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Third message in the thread basically says it works etc. etc.

[17:45:29]

iamlindoro:

waitwhaaaaaa?

[17:45:56]

gbee:

just checked my 0.21 checkout and there is no sign of the patch being applied any more

[17:46:18]

iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5388 Still shows open with no commits

[17:46:47]

sphery:

iamlindoro: it's those magical commits

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iamlindoro:

heh

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gbee:

oh sorry, just realised I've never tried playing it back on the production frontend ... hence no patch

[17:48:06]

iamlindoro:

Hmm, I may have misunderstood the guy, sounds like maybe he's actually saying he *does* have to remux, and that the result should play in myth

[17:48:11]

gbee:

I've just recorded and copied over samples to this machine ... doh

[17:49:05]

gbee:

ok, first off, xmltv carries guide data for ITV HD

[17:49:26]

gbee:

so his question about program info is easy – use xmltv

[17:50:19]

gbee:

he doesn't need to fsck with the DB – the channel scans just fine, but it's inserted without a name (10503 or something)

[17:51:08]

gbee:

channum is 10510

[17:52:06]

gbee:

only broadcasts at random, e.g. there is one 30min program tonight

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gbee:

playback is the only problem, it requires patching (and a decent speed frontend ... hmm, never tried it with VDPAU)

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iamlindoro:

gbee: When I tried your sample in the early days of VDPAU, it was a guaranteed hard lock

[17:53:41]

iamlindoro:

I'm sure it's much better now though

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sphery:

much better meaning it locks harder?

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gbee:

oh, as I clean the whiteboard I found a note about mythvideo which someone might be interested in working on. We don't insert ripped DVDs into the database as part of the rip process, so a further scan is still required – automating that would be nice

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dschlenk:

on the whiteboard topic, i just bought a sheet of melamine tileboard from the local home center... $10. its just for my home office so I didn't make a frame or anything but its a pretty easy DIY project and you save a bundle. i kind of want to basically rewall the office in it.

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iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6422 So in addition to being Feature Request Without Patch, how can that be true? Aren't there only six buttons, and don't they more or less do exactly what they say and no more?

[18:35:58]

iamlindoro:

Ah, I see, it's thei IR driver changing each version. Yuck.

[18:36:05]

meshe:

if it is true, bad apple!

[18:36:06]

iamlindoro:

No problem if you just run linux :)

[18:40:09]

JEDIDIAH__:

...or dump that stupid remote.

[18:41:29]

JEDIDIAH__:

I have 3 of those dumb things floating around the house.

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kormoc:

They're fine for apple products

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iamlindoro:

*sigh*, now I find myself starting to implement this FRW/OP

[18:42:03]

iamlindoro:

even though I have no means of testing it

[18:42:28]

JEDIDIAH__:

...not really (not "fine for apple products")

[18:43:14]

JEDIDIAH__:

...mebbe the next time I am in the Apple store I will torture the guy unlucky enough to be standing next to the AppleTV

[18:43:22]

JEDIDIAH__:

>-)

[18:43:31]

JEDIDIAH__:

>:-)

[18:43:51]

jamiem:

why might my two DVB cards with 8 'encoders' each be labelled Encoder 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18?

[18:44:20]

jamiem:

as in – 2 x DVB cards with two tuners each then four streams

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** kormoc blinks **

[18:45:55]

kormoc:

JEDIDIAH__, erm... What part of itunes or apple's tv interface doesn't it work fine for?

[18:46:45]

sphery:

jamiem: what's the question? why is 10 missing? why so many?

[18:46:56]

jamiem:

what is my question :S

[18:47:02]

jamiem:

sphery: so is 7

[18:47:19]

jamiem:

it all works fine, I'm just not sure how it came to be

[18:47:21]

sphery:

there are missing ones because you've deleted encoders

[18:47:48]

jamiem:

I don't remember doing that. But I did start with one card, then two, then increased the number of streams on each dual card

[18:47:51]

sphery:

if you want to renumber them (though the value of the number is /completely/ meaningless), http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[18:47:53]

jamiem:

something somewhere got confused :)

[18:48:04]

sphery:

no, some got deleted...

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sphery:

you may not have realized you did it, but you did

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jamiem:

sphery: oh ok :)

[18:48:36]

sphery:

(some changes you make--like changing the number of virtual tuners on a device--can delete encoders without your ever hitting DELETE on one)

[18:48:39]

meshe:

go UUID

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jamiem:

I see

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jamiem:

it works fine so I'm not really bothered :)

[18:48:56]

JEDIDIAH__:

I guess you could say that the limited ui and limited remote kind of go well together (appletv)

[18:49:03]

sphery:

those are just primary keys in the DB... They are truly meaningless.

[18:49:16]

jamiem:

I see

[18:49:30]

meshe:

sphery: lets switch those to UUID's :)

[18:49:45]

sphery:

if you want to see real names for inputs, define a name on the input connections pages

[18:49:52]

kormoc:

JEDIDIAH__, that's exactly what I did say, and you disagreed about

[18:50:17]

sphery:

meshe: heh... sounds like a plan...

[18:50:40]

jamiem:

"Nova-T Card 1 Stream 1" meh.

[18:50:49]

sphery:

I'm wondering if the MythTV UPnP UUID should actually be made into a real-re-creatable UUID, too...

[18:50:50]

kormoc:

meshe, but but but what happens when two universes need to interact, you might have key conflicts! We need something like UUUIDS!

[18:50:53]

JEDIDIAH__:

they both annoy you (or rather me) in the same way.

[18:51:38]

kormoc:

JEDIDIAH__, sure, but that doesn't mean they don't work well with each other

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wagnerrp:

universal unique universal?

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JEDIDIAH__:

that assumes that you think they work well.

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kormoc:

JEDIDIAH__, I believe they do, aye

[18:52:39]

JEDIDIAH__:

They make me appreciate MythTV/MythVideo more.

[18:52:54]

sphery:

all this talk of the 'verse is making me long for Firefly...

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wagnerrp:

we need more heroes with good negotiating skills

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JEDIDIAH__:

Super Quark?

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kormoc:

JEDIDIAH__, the lack of specific features doesn't really affect functionality

[18:54:19]

JEDIDIAH__:

sure it does.

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** kormoc shrugs **

[18:54:38]

kormoc:

so your opinion is the only one that matters eh?

[18:56:31]

iamlindoro:

There, now it's FRW/OP no more

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justinh:

talk about people suiting their registration plates. Orange faced woman who mounted the kerb to park, almost hitting me & the dog.. K something something something UNT. I should phone that one in

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justinh:

thank gawd it's the weekend at last!

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justinh:

btw I know what the 'something something something' is.. don't go putting people's reg plates in a logged channel :P

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** jamiem is merging 3x PATA drives into 1x SATA drive **

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justinh:

with some duct tape & a port multiplier ?

[19:11:55]

jamiem:

/dev/hda6 181G 149G 33G 83% /home/mythtv/storage/default/default2

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jamiem:

/dev/hdc1 190G 111G 80G 59% /home/mythtv/storage/default/default3 /dev/hdd1 190G 146G 45G 77% /home/mythtv/storage/default/default4

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jamiem:

justinh: LOL

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jamiem:

my needs kept outgrowing my means :(

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justinh:

no wait.. prolly using an old ATX motherboard with 2x IDE ports & making it emulate a SATA target with special drivers. Savvy

[19:13:09]

jamiem:

almost

[19:13:24]

jamiem:

I had to use /software/ to set the drive to SATA150 for this ~3yo board

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justinh:

I should stop now. I might give people ideas

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justinh:

yeah. sata is fun isn't it?

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jamiem:

.... boot hda=ide-scsi

[19:14:15]

justinh:

we buy stuff expecting it to pretty much just work, all interfaces being alike & all.. as in sata == sata == sata right? hahahaha

[19:14:19]

jamiem:

# lilo

[19:14:38]

jamiem:

I didn't realise it was only a 150 controller on the board, actually

[19:14:53]

jamiem:

but then PPPPPP, right?

[19:15:01]

jamiem:

'The six Ps'

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jamiem:

or five if you hyphenate

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justinh:

I bought a pci sata controller from dealextreme & I ended up having to flash it because the 2x 1TB disks I bought weren't recognised by it.

[19:15:48]

justinh:

and not a single CDR or floppy drive in the house

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jamiem:

d'oh

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jamiem:

no floppies here either

[19:16:05]

justinh:

not that I could remember how to make a CD image of a boot floppy

[19:16:19]

jamiem:

El Torrino?

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justinh:

doesn't ring a bell

[19:16:33]

jamiem:

no

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justinh:

sorted it in the end. work still have antique machines with floppy drives :)

[19:17:02]

jamiem:

El Torito

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jamiem:

Eldordo. Whatever.

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iamlindoro:

El Backporto

[19:17:30]

jamiem:

:)

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jamiem:

I bought a 1TB SATA drive that didn't work with the controller in 300 or 150. So I swapped it with a 750MB in my workstation which does

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jamiem:

750MB lol

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jamiem:

I had an 850MB IDE drive in one of my first Pentium-1 200 MMX computers

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jamiem:

rawk

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wagnerrp:

not sure what i would do with a 750MB drive

[19:19:20]

GreyFoxx:

paper weight

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bulle:

wagnerrp: store two cd albums in flac format ?

[19:19:24]

GreyFoxx:

door jam

[19:19:32]

jamiem:

anti-burglary device

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GreyFoxx:

take it apart and get the magnets

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wagnerrp:

i remember having a 200MB drive, and upgrading it with a 400MB drive later

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iamlindoro:

sell it to someone here as an upgrade

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wagnerrp:

and i know we once had a 20MB drive

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jamiem:

wagnerrp: you didn't just install doublespace ?! ;)

[19:20:09]

clever:

we still have a 40mb and 80mb somewhere

[19:20:09]

wagnerrp:

but to be honest... i cant actually recall the experience of using it

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bulle:

hahahhah, doublespace

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jamiem:

I have owned a 20MB drive in a Compaq workstation – but I never /used/ it

[19:20:26]

clever:

i couldnt turn double space back off

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wagnerrp:

jamiem: no, we bought a second drive, ran them in parallel

[19:20:33]

clever:

i had to backup to floppys and format

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iamlindoro:

First computer in the house had a 10 MB MFM drive

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jamiem:

MFM?

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XLV:

yeah, and far back enough, we used cassete recorders

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clever:

jamiem: the low level formating for the platters

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jamiem:

my +2 computer called it a 'datacorder'

[19:21:08]

iamlindoro:

jamiem: The original XT HDD format :) About $1,000 a MB

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jams:

ah the debates over MFM or RLL good times good times

[19:21:25]

XLV:

first computer was spectrum 128K

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XLV:

i know, bad purchase, but i got at lower price

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jamiem:

I didn't want to start a pissing competition but in 'computing' at school, I used to use 15.5" Winchester floppies

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clever:

jams: i discovered MFM and RLL when i was trying to figure out why a x86 5 1/4 drive cant read disks from a c64

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justinh:

el backporto.. lol

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clever:

you would have to replace the floppy drive controler

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wagnerrp:

of course that was only 2 years ago

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Andrew_Barber:

i had mythtv set up with dish, but i now have comcast with a motorola dch3200 with the usb port turned OFF

[19:23:37]

Andrew_Barber:

so i need to blast it

[19:23:42]

Andrew_Barber:

what will i need to change?

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GreyFoxx:

any firewire on those ?

[19:23:46]

iamlindoro:

That's nothing, in my youth, they just sat you down in front of a jar of sand and THAT was computer, SUCKAS!

[19:23:52]

Andrew_Barber:

all ports are turned off

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wagnerrp:

Andrew_Barber: the USB port is not for you to use

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Andrew_Barber:

comcast said "who uses those?"

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wagnerrp:

its generally for maintenance only

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GreyFoxx:

andreax: Some disable firewire for video , but can still be used for channel changes

[19:24:49]

wagnerrp:

comcast MUST at least provide channel changing over firewire, even if all channels are encrypted

[19:25:18]

Andrew_Barber:

but i have heard from those in the channel that often times this is not the case

[19:25:20]

bulle:

why MUST they provide that ?

[19:25:21]

wagnerrp:

however if your area has turned off most of the analog channels, and started shipping the cheap $1/mo tuner boxes

[19:25:25]

Andrew_Barber:

legal reasons

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wagnerrp:

you can just grab a QAM card

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jamiem:

MPEG-PS files are too big :|

[19:25:42]

wagnerrp:

bulle: FCC mandate, they must provide a functional firewire port upon request

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iamlindoro:

That's like saying a piece of string is too long

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GreyFoxx:

jamiem: a Couple gig an hour isn't big :)

[19:26:02]

Andrew_Barber:

hahahahaha

[19:26:04]

jamiem:

iamlindoro: I know

[19:26:05]

Andrew_Barber:

with all due respect, i'd just like to blast it

[19:26:11]

jamiem:

GreyFoxx: I know

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jamiem:

\:

[19:26:35]

jamiem:

maybe what I mean is: "My network and bus interfaces are all too slow"

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iamlindoro:

You'll just need some plastique and blasting caps, then

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bulle:

wagnerrp: oh, but a functional firewire port does not include you being able to get video from it ?

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jamiem:

and drives

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wagnerrp:

bulle: you can certainly get video from it, if you can pass the 5c handshake

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bulle:

oh, 5c, thats the us encryption system thingy, right ?

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wagnerrp:

thats the firewire encryption system thingy

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sphery:

5 company encryption thing

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justinh:

the big five

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jamiem:

it's like flat-palm,fist,two pinkies together,twist,pull-back

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sphery:

those companies /all/ being multinationals

[19:27:58]

wagnerrp:

digital cable uses something else

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bulle:

well, around here everything is just dvb for transmission, and hdmi for sound/video nowadays

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justinh:

5c is just what stops uncrippled streams getting out of the box

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bulle:

justinh: like hdcp in hdmi then

[19:28:39]

justinh:

yup

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wagnerrp:

bulle: exactly

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justinh:

in principle at least

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iamlindoro:

So last night a fellow came in and was following the manual carefully. Then he followed all my directions to the letter without a single boneheaded move

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sphery:

5c is a conglomeration of multiple different encryption technologies covering a variety of different media types

[19:29:44]

kormoc:

It was a dream!

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iamlindoro:

I just thought I'd mention that because it's easy to forge that it's possible

[19:29:50]

iamlindoro:

improbably, but possible

[19:29:54]

iamlindoro:

er improbable

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bulle:

here you can still bypass that via the use of dvb card with smartcard reader, but dunno for how long, they are comming with some new version of the CAMS that will allow for harder pairing with the cams and where they send video =(

[19:30:55]

** sphery hopes bulle is talking about hardware CAM since software CAM discussion is forbidden here **

[19:31:35]

bulle:

im talking about legal CAMS yes, the ones that looks like pcmci cards

[19:31:50]

bulle:

the ones you buy and insert into your tv, or dvbcard, or whatever you want to watch pay-tv with

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bulle:

here, nearly all new tvs, have cam slot, as there is no analog tv anymore

[19:33:31]

Andrew_Barber:

someone told me once that some of motorolas lirc codes are interchangable

[19:33:38]

Andrew_Barber:

what would work with the dch3200?

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wagnerrp:

bulle: we have those, its called cablecard

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iamlindoro:

Who is the world puts the description into the filename? Uck

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wagnerrp:

its available to people willing to pay large licensing fees, and will agree not to record things upon request

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clever:

iamlindoro: the guys that want to stress the 512 char limit for filenames!

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iamlindoro:

s/stress/break/

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bulle:

wagnerrp: oh, so these cablecard things in the us, they are just plain old cams ?

[19:34:51]

iamlindoro:

Cam equivalent

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wagnerrp:

and not make things easily available outside a control scheme

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wagnerrp:

effectively, yes

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wagnerrp:

but there is only ONE cablecard tuner available

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wagnerrp:

its an external USB box made by ATI

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Andrew_Barber:

anyone blasting a motorola STB?

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wagnerrp:

and is not purchasable, only available through OEMs, and only works with Vista MCE

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iamlindoro:

cablecard is nastier than your CAMs, though-- requires software to pair the recording with the card

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bulle:

okidoki, here they are very common, you can buy the common CAM types for the big providers at any home electronics store, and as i said, most new tvs have cam slot

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iamlindoro:

so god help you if the card burns out

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** justinh hands Andrew_Barber a loaded gun. blast away **

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Andrew_Barber:

justinh: lol, thanks

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justinh:

cablecard is super neat from the provider's point of view. they can revoke playback rights at any time

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bulle:

iamlindoro: some of the systems used here have diff types of pairing aswell, but its seldom used, as its hard to ensure that you have a free market for receivers, with such schemes

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iamlindoro:

bulle: Your recordings don't end up DRM'd and locked to that particular card with a CAM :)

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bulle:

iamlindoro: ah, but they do with the cablecard ?

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iamlindoro:

Here you get a proprietary file that can only be played after authorizing through the card

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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justinh:

bulle: very

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bulle:

iamlindoro: indeed, i just get a bunch of mpeg files on the hd, when using myth and a dvb+cam setup

[19:37:42]

iamlindoro:

cablecard is poop, glad we've sidstepped it entirely on linux

[19:37:45]

iamlindoro:

yay for HD-PVRs

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iamlindoro:

and HDFury2s

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justinh:

iamlindoro: bulle could record the encrippled streams & decripple them through the card later.. that's always an option

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justinh:

that's how Sky does it, evil SoBs

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justinh:

your signal goes, your subs expire. uhoh..

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bulle:

iamlindoro: well, around here, you wont get out hdtv on anything but hdmi on most boxes, so those hd-pvrs ( if it is the hauppauges you mean ) arent that useable, sadly

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justinh:

or.. they change the keys... ruh roh again

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trumee:

guys, this is not related to mythtv but i have a question. I have a Return socket next to the aerial socket on the wall. Does anybody know what is it used for?

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iamlindoro:

bulle: That's what the HDFury2 is

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wagnerrp:

the 'description' format option for mythrename seems to be misguided

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bulle:

is there some small demo/test clip from a HD-PVR anywhere i can see, im curious to see how good it looks

[19:39:43]

iamlindoro:

bulle: HDMI->Strip HDCP->Component

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bulle:

iamlindoro: ah, neat

[19:39:52]

iamlindoro:

yep :)

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bulle:

iamlindoro: so as long as the companies dont start to use that image restraint token stuff, that downgrades all analog outputs to plain SDTV one should be fine

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wagnerrp:

someone on -users was complaining about mythrename failing after the description put them over the 255 character filename limit

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jamiem:

How DARE they try to manage their own data?!

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iamlindoro:

bulle: ICT is only a part of the Blu ray standard, and you could use it over HDMI if you wanted to

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iamlindoro:

bulle: ie the ICT will only ever be present on blu ray players, and the HDFury avoids them using that on you too

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bulle:

iamlindoro: i see, neato then, so, where can i get hold of one of these HDFury2s thingies ?

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iamlindoro:

google knows ;)

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justinh:

sigh. stoopid users

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/HD-PVR#Samples

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wagnerrp:

what??? mythtv torrents?

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justinh:

wagnerrp: that's because they'd not installed the Word::Precee perl module

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Andrew_Barber:

is the 6200ch.c file just for firewire channel changing?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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Andrew_Barber:

i hope the lirc 6200 file will work as well

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jamiem:

replacing three drives with one drive should make my mythbackend a bit quieter

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jamiem:

and cooler, no doubt

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wagnerrp:

should cut out 15–20W

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jamiem:

:)

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wagnerrp:

assuming you dont allow disk spindown

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jamiem:

... and if I did?

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jamiem:

hddidle

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JEDIDIAH__:

effectively disabling analog inputs would be a problem as there are plenty of people too naieve to know they should be avoiding those.

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wagnerrp:

who would disable analog inputs?

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JEDIDIAH__:

20th Century Fox

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bulle:

iamlindoro: thanks

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wagnerrp:

well they would disable outputs

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iamlindoro:

bulle: np

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wagnerrp:

unless you mean their use of Macrovision

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wagnerrp:

at which point theyre kind-of disabling inputs on VCRs

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** JEDIDIAH__ is talking about silly people that use component because their HDMI cable was too short. **

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Andrew_Barber:

btw, if anyone wants cheap hdmi cables, they are practically giving them away at amazon.com

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: you recall must horked audio issue w/the hdpvr?

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Andrew_Barber:

i couldn't believe how much i saved

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: Yeah, I remember-- resolved?

[19:49:29]

j-rod:

hauppauge now says 'known issue w/verizon qip-6200 and -6416 boxes'

[19:49:38]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: That's a step I guess :)

[19:49:41]

j-rod:

'but we haven't been able to get one to poke at.'

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j-rod:

'some users got newer boxes from verizon that work fine'

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iamlindoro:

:/

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JEDIDIAH__:

If you aren't a n00b there's always plenty of places to get cheap quality cables.

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j-rod:

so perhaps I'll see about a new box, but I'd rather see a real fix

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genii:

Speaking of Macrovision, is there any good doohickey/device someone would recommend to put in between my vcr and dvd recorder so I can backup all my old Disney films before they fall apart? Preferably without wiping out closed-captioning

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JEDIDIAH__:

A lot of PC capture cards ignore macrovision.

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genii:

JEDIDIAH__: Any in particular you would say are superior?

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wagnerrp:

genii: the IVTV cards

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: That sucks... guess it's good to know that it's not just you

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genii:

wagnerrp: I'll look into them tehn, thanks

[19:54:12]

wagnerrp:

ivtvdriver.org... the hauppauge PVRs are the most common on the list

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JEDIDIAH__:

...haven't done this so I don't have any good recommendations. Although I do have some VHS stuff that will never see DVD that I want to preserve.

[19:54:57]

JEDIDIAH__:

I am inclined to try my PVR150 but that's always in use.

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wagnerrp:

i know a company my friend's dad used to run would make those boxes

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wagnerrp:

but they were intended to be sold along high end video editing suites

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Spyro:

Hi folks

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Spyro:

How would I wipe out and recreate the mysql database myth is using ?

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jamiem:

Spyro: what are you trying to achieve?

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wagnerrp:

Spyro: 'drop database mythconverg;'

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Spyro:

Im trying to work out why my mythtv installation wont behave

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Spyro:

the symptoms are pretty much randomn

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Spyro:

wagnerrp: yes but I'd like to recreate it too...

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jamiem:

Spyro: what distro?

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Spyro:

dedian

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jamiem:

doesn't mythtv-setup recreate the database is needsbe?

[19:58:33]

Spyro:

*b

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean 'recreate it'? because that action would just bring back whatever bad setting you had in the first place

[19:58:53]

Spyro:

recreate as in create a frewsh / empty database

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup will fill out the database, but you need an empty one to start with

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jamiem:

for fear of losing something important I would just rename the database, personally

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Spyro:

so just create database mythconverg?

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Spyro:

there is nothing important in my database

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wagnerrp:

you will be starting from scratch, and losing any recordings, or mythvideo metadata you have accumulated

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, drop and recreate then run mythtv-setup and do the stuff there

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jamiem:

This comment was brought to you by "Famous Last Words Inc."

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GreyFoxx:

then run the backend

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GreyFoxx:

and finally your FE

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wagnerrp:

if thats not a problem, go ahead and do it

[20:00:12]

GreyFoxx:

keep a backup though

[20:00:16]

Spyro:

jamiem: seriously – I have zero recordings / timers set

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jamiem:

:)

[20:01:02]

Spyro:

cool – thanks – I wasnt sure if mmythtv-setup would do the recreatting bit

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jamiem:

I quietly quite like how it just looks through all the 'default' folders until it finds the proper basename

[20:01:29]

jamiem:

seems so ... hacky. But so useful!

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Spyro:

grr

[20:12:39]

Spyro:

when scanning channels

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Spyro:

at the end of the scan I get

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Spyro:

mythtv-setup: ../../src/xcb_lock.c:77: _XGetXCBBuffer: Assertion `((int) ((xcb_req) – (dpy->request)) >= 0)' failed.

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Spyro:

Aborted

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Spyro:

then mythtv-setup just dissapears

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iamlindoro:

First off, the channels still likely got inserted in the DB

[20:14:15]

iamlindoro:

but you can avoid that as well

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iamlindoro:

by starting mythtv setup as:

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iamlindoro:

taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro:

sphery: You have people doing wacky DB stuff on the list again ;)

[20:16:07]

iamlindoro:

.22 is going to be the unmasking of all the people who have donked around with their DB, sigh

[20:16:11]

sphery:

which one?

[20:17:17]

sphery:

ah... converting to InnoDB...

[20:18:00]

sphery:

assuming they maintain their InnoDB stuff properly, that /shouldn't/ cause any issues...

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** Spyro hasnt touched the database at all other than to rebuild corrupt indexes... **

[20:18:22]

sphery:

but, really, if the defaults aren't good enough, why not work to change the default config

[20:18:39]

sphery:

Spyro will have a simple upgrade to 0.22, then...

[20:18:42]

GreyFoxx:

cause people think they need custom tuning

[20:18:45]

sphery:

(Assuming he's not using Gentoo, that is ;)

[20:18:53]

GreyFoxx:

it's gotta be compiled for MY CPU

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[20:19:09]

Spyro:

what does taskset -c 0 do?

[20:19:25]

iamlindoro:

Spyro: Pins the process to the first CPU core

[20:19:28]

sphery:

pins the process to a single core (the 0th core) of your multi-core/multi-proc system

[20:19:37]

iamlindoro:

too slow old man

[20:19:49]

sphery:

eh, sonny? I can't hear, ya.

[20:19:54]

Spyro:

iamlindoro: why would you want to do that ?

[20:20:00]

iamlindoro:

I said I'm putting you in a home

[20:20:16]

sphery:

to prevent the race condition that causes a segfault in mythtv-setup's channel scannre

[20:20:16]

iamlindoro:

Spyro: Because the problem you ran in to is a bug in mtythv-setup's threading

[20:20:22]

Spyro:

ah, ,ty

[20:20:23]

iamlindoro:

too slow old man

[20:20:30]

sphery:

wait... I was faster

[20:20:36]

iamlindoro:

not here you weren't ;)

[20:20:38]

gbee:

this – http://shhac.info/x/b/divide_by_zero.jpg

[20:20:52]

** sphery thinks iamlindoro's net is old and slow **

[20:21:11]

Spyro:

gbee: LOL

[20:21:16]

GreyFoxx:

I love that

[20:21:25]

Spyro:

gbee: mind you, I have to admit I find those sinks *terrifying*

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gbee:

it's oddly that there are no surface filters to stop debris and ducks being sucked in

[20:27:21]

gbee:

oddly? oh wtf is up with me lately? Can't type two words without some stupid typo creeping in

[20:28:02]

iamlindoro:

It's preening that you make farthing duck, gbee

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kormoc:

Poor ducks!

[20:28:43]

iamlindoro:

Most ducks come equipped with wings and instincts to avoid that business :)

[20:29:08]

kormoc:

You haven't meet the same ducks that I have

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gbee:

not if they're asleep ;)

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iamlindoro:

don't think they sleep dans l'eau

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kormoc:

They nap on ponds all the time

[20:29:48]

iamlindoro:

your mom naps on ponds all the time

[20:30:04]

kormoc:

tis true!

[20:30:12]

gbee:

it is!

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iamlindoro:

I sure wish this day would end

[20:31:51]

iamlindoro:

the workday, at least

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gbee:

http://img2.photographersdirect.com/img/22690/wm/pd1566680.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2383/2237306465_8605fe7f95.jpg http://k43.pbase.com/u27/bryan_murahashi/uplo . . . yDuck_WP.jpg

[20:32:09]

gbee:

look what you made me do ... :/

[20:32:20]

iamlindoro:

Your ducks are broken

[20:32:35]

iamlindoro:

and all kinds of wrong colors

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, prefer http://www.flickr.com/photos/kormoc/2835750548/

[20:33:00]

kormoc:

?

[20:33:17]

iamlindoro:

Now that's a 'merican duck!

[20:33:29]

kormoc:

Forged in a unholy union between a duck and a cow

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gbee:

last one, the Ruddy duck is actually considered to be a pest in this country, if you mention you saw one then men with guns will descend to wipe them out :/

[20:33:40]

kormoc:

Mooack!

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iamlindoro:

we're a melting pot

[20:33:58]

kormoc:

Quaoo!

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Y'all are also racist against our pretty grey squirrels

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justinh:

stop, or you'll give ubuntu naming committees ideas

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gbee:

Tree rats!

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Quaoo is like a sound something in a tintin book would make

[20:34:37]

iamlindoro:

This is how we learn the sounds french animals make

[20:34:44]

justinh:

le moo?

[20:34:47]

justinh:

le woof

[20:34:50]

justinh:

le meow

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gbee:

not quite sure what the second duck was, looks sorta like a malting/juvenile tufted duck

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kormoc:

and canadians are Moo eh, woof eh, and meow eh!

[20:35:37]

gbee:

first is probably a Merganser

[20:35:48]

kormoc:

I do enjoy wood ducks

[20:37:24]

iamlindoro:

"Snowy's bark in Basque is blaust and in Indonesian plung."

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gbee:

oh and Tintin was Belgian, not French :p

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jamiem:

[20:38:06]

** iamlindoro shoves gbee into the Herge **

[20:38:16]

jamiem:

does it actually specify the nationality of Tintin ?

[20:38:51]

iamlindoro:

My dog makes a Blaust too

[20:38:56]

iamlindoro:

but the sound doesn't come out the front

[20:39:07]

jamiem:

"Brussels is also explicitely mentioned as Tintin's home address in Tintin in the Land of the Soviets ..."

[20:39:10]

jamiem:

[20:39:12]

** jamiem sulks off **

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gbee:

no idea to be honest, but I think it's safe to assume that a Belgian writer, creating stuff for a Belgian newspaper comic would write a Belgian hero

[20:39:50]

** gbee was slow **

[20:39:56]

justinh:

he was a hero? I thought the dog was the smart one

[20:39:58]

jamiem:

BUT just because he /lives/ there ... doesn't make him Belgian

[20:40:20]

jamiem:

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justinh:

continue this in #tintin

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jamiem:

[ CITATION NEEDED ]

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iamlindoro:

I read them when I was in France every summer as a kid-- guess I probably knew he was belgian but the mind makes funny connections, ie France = Tintin :)

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justinh:

ahh quackopedia

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iamlindoro:

Ah here's kormoc to set us straight

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gbee:

don't think it really matters TBH, just felt like being picky ;)

[20:41:13]

iamlindoro:

He's america's foremost Tintin and duck scholar you know

[20:41:17]

justinh:

ho ho that was a very interesting docco about how the electric car was killed off

[20:41:34]

kormoc:

Indeed! What might be the question?

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jamiem:

justinh: by GM?

[20:41:51]

justinh:

genetic modification? god I hope not

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** kormoc starts humming, 'Genetic Modification killed the Electric Car Star....' **

[20:42:47]

iamlindoro:

We were wondering if you cross bred the common North American Mallard with Tintin's dog Milou, whether you would come up with a flying dog, or a walking duck. Go!

[20:43:13]

justinh:

I thought it was called Snowy. sheesh you merkins always get it messed up

[20:43:26]

jamiem:

Cardinal Kormoc Murphy-O'Connor

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XpertKnobTwiddlr:

"merkins" i never heard that one before

[20:43:45]

justinh:

hmmm I think I'll just start watching the Daily Show on youtube. won't notice any quality loss

[20:43:45]

jamiem:

pubic wig?

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ccfreak2k:

Do any of you have a TV tuner card with a SAA713x in it?

[20:44:38]

iamlindoro:

justinh: Well Milou is the real name :)

[20:44:49]

iamlindoro:

justinh: It's the UK *and* the US what got it all messed up :)

[20:44:58]

justinh:

heh

[20:45:19]

Spyro:

hm

[20:45:20]

Spyro:

ok

[20:45:29]

Spyro:

so I now have odd things happening

[20:46:01]

Spyro:

the first time I tried it I got a very different looking main menu, and trying to watch tv hung it (had to kill the frontend)

[20:46:06]

jamiem:

iamlindoro: and AUS?

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kormoc:

Given the Mallard is a recessive breed of ducks, as is evident by all the mutations, you would have more canine generic traits then quakine traits. I would hypnoses that you would end up with a walking, barking, duck

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iamlindoro:

jamiem: Presumably

[20:46:20]

jamiem:

and CAN?

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Spyro:

now I got my old (GANT?) theme on the main menu

[20:46:33]

jamiem:

Spyro: that's to be expected if you hosed your database

[20:46:33]

justinh:

yay for G.A.N.T :-\

[20:46:35]

Spyro:

but the watch tv mode seems to be using a different theme

[20:46:37]

jamiem:

what did I say about Famous Last Words?

[20:46:46]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Well reasoned

[20:46:54]

gbee:

"Haddock's name was suggested to Hergé by his wife, who noted that haddock was a "sad English fish" over a fish dinner."

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Spyro:

jamiem: its working better than it dfid before :)

[20:47:06]

** gbee likes haddock **

[20:47:16]

jamiem:

I don't do fish. But I know haddock is not all that bad.

[20:47:19]

Spyro:

be that as it may (I can change the theme I expect)

[20:47:22]

jamiem:

plus cod levels are fscked

[20:47:26]

iamlindoro:

Look what I've done, I've spun you all off on to Tintin

[20:47:33]

Spyro:

I now find that I cannot tune all the channels in the EPG

[20:47:41]

iamlindoro:

I'm actually here on behalf of Freevo to prevent MythTV development

[20:47:44]

justinh:

jamiem: my sweary alternative is ducked.. how T9 says it is :)

[20:47:51]

Spyro:

(eg. virgin1 (which I used to be able to get before it stopped working at all)

[20:47:53]

Spyro:

)

[20:47:54]

gbee:

it's no Red Snapper, but as white fish goes, it's respectable

[20:47:57]

jamiem:

heh

[20:48:05]

iamlindoro:

(I would have chosen another media center but they're very touchy)

[20:48:11]

jamiem:

justinh: I don't give a shiv what your T9 says!

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justinh:

lol

[20:48:45]

kormoc:

Mmm... Sushi...

[20:48:45]

justinh:

aunt sticks

[20:48:56]

** gbee goes to drink beer and watch TV **

[20:49:10]

Spyro:

when it says its waiting for lock is there any way to find out what its actually /doing/?

[20:49:24]

jamiem:

it's actually waiting for a lock

[20:49:29]

kormoc:

it's twiddling it's thumbs

[20:49:32]

Spyro:

yes but why isnt it getting it

[20:49:37]

Spyro:

it *used* to

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kormoc:

you can twiddle as well

[20:49:45]

justinh:

iamlindoro: there are lots of other media centres. to qualify being called a centre it has to record the teevees

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kormoc:

what if tv isn't the center of the app, what if it's more to the left?

[20:50:22]

iamlindoro:

My media is "centre"d in the closet

[20:50:49]

artus35:

Hi all

[20:50:51]

Spyro:

some kind of monitor app to tell me what the frontend is up to?

[20:51:03]

artus35:

anybody using logitech 515 harmony with mythtv?

[20:51:10]

justinh:

haha. yes

[20:51:15]

justinh:

artus35: yup

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jamiem:

Spyro: sure. Write it in qt4 backwards compatible to qt3 for now

[20:51:22]

artus35:

justinh: cool

[20:51:26]

artus35:

I have a problem

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Spyro:

jamiem: what?

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justinh:

artus35: I used the 'PVR – knoppmyth' profile

[20:51:37]

artus35:

I have a silver stone case

[20:51:43]

artus35:

ok

[20:51:50]

artus35:

and what lirc settings

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sphery:

Spyro: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.22

[20:52:05]

sphery:

Spyro: says what it's doing...

[20:52:06]

justinh:

artus35: ah, so your receiver may or may not work with the codes the preset profiles send out

[20:52:10]

artus35:

I have imon-pad or somthing

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justinh:

artus35: you might have to learn every remote button into the 515

[20:52:41]

justinh:

not hard but time consuming

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jamiem:

sphery: what tuner card are you using?

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artus35:

I had sometimes the effect that it worked twice

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artus35:

every key stroke

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jamiem:

L__ used to curse me :(

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justinh:

artus35: so you need to tweak the lircrc file

[20:53:09]

artus35:

one time up on the harmony

[20:53:13]

artus35:

ok

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Spyro:

sphery: ok so mythtv itself doesnt give much info then

[20:53:43]

artus35:

can you send me your lircrc?

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Spyro:

but it *used* to tune this channel

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artus35:

justinh: ?

[20:53:52]

Spyro:

and now it wont

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jamiem:

Spyro: did you add the tuners correctly in mythtv-setup

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Spyro:

jamiem: as far as I can tell, yes

[20:54:40]

Spyro:

jamiem: why? the tunin problem predates the database getting screwed

[20:54:49]

justinh:

artus35: nope. but if you put change buttons you don't want to repeat to NOT have "repeat = $something" the multiple presses will go away :)

[20:54:55]

jamiem:

Spyro: tuner definitions are held in the db

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Spyro:

jamiem: I appreciate that but by the time the db was got rid of the problem already existed

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jamiem:

k

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artus35:

ok justinh

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Spyro:

so whatever was in there was wrong

[20:55:37]

artus35:

will give it a try

[20:55:45]

justinh:

artus35: do all your buttons work?

[20:55:47]

artus35:

what lirc do you use?

[20:56:07]

justinh:

artus35: I made by own config files. always find something wrong or illogical with other people's

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justinh:

s/by/my

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Spyro:

jamiem: where does mythtv hide channels.conf ?

[20:56:57]

iamlindoro:

Myth doesn't use a channels.conf

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sphery:

Spyro: there's not much extra info Myth can give when it's current tuning status is, "Locked, now waiting for a PAT"

[20:57:11]

kormoc:

It's hidden in the database!

[20:57:16]

jamiem:

afaik channels.conf is used to FILL the database

[20:57:31]

sphery:

Spyro: I mean, it /could/ say, "Still waiting... Stil waiting... Stil waiting... Stil waiting... Stil waiting... Stil waiting... Stil waiting... Stil waiting... Stil waiting... Stil waiting... Stil waiting... Stil waiting... Stil waiting... Stil waiting... Stil waiting... Stil waiting... Stil waiting...", but...

[20:57:35]

jamiem:

if you use another tool to create the channel list

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Spyro:

ok how can I get the parameters its using to tune to I can try (say) mplayer with the same settings?

[20:57:58]

Spyro:

sphery: Im not an idiot.

[20:58:05]

jamiem:

mplayer dvb:// ?

[20:58:17]

sphery:

just saying, there's not much more that Myth could say...

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bulle:

jamiem: yes, you can use the channels.conf for import into mythtv

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Spyro:

jamiem: yeah but after the dvb:// then what ?

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sphery:

but the channels.conf import has some issues

[21:00:11]

Spyro:

jamiem: not much point using some setting other than what myth is using

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sphery:

yeah, the myth scanner is best

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sphery:

(for Myth, that is)

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jamiem:

Spyro: afaik channels.conf goes into ~/mplayer/ something

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jamiem:

my N95 doesn't feature "koala" in it's T9 dictionary

[21:01:30]

bulle:

jamiem: damn, return it !

[21:01:36]

Spyro:

jamiem: thats not the point – I *could* use channels.conf with mplayer

[21:01:38]

jamiem:

I had to look it up in a real dictionary to prove I wasn't going mad

[21:01:46]

ccfreak2k:

Do any of you have a TV tuner card with a SAA713x in it?

[21:01:48]

Andrew_Barber:

lol, i just screwed up my mythbox trying to change cable providers

[21:01:56]

Spyro:

but unless that channels.conf contains the same data myth is trying to tune with, what sort of test would that be ?

[21:02:06]

Andrew_Barber:

i accidentally did a channel scan, and that seemed to be a huge mistake

[21:02:10]

Spyro:

how do I find out myths tuning data ?

[21:02:15]

kormoc:

Spyro, so check the database?

[21:02:33]

Spyro:

kormoc: can you be more specific?

[21:02:47]

kormoc:

Spyro, the channel info myth uses is in the database, check that?

[21:03:24]

Spyro:

*sigh* goes off to work out where that damn data is myself. A tablename owuldnt have hurt would it?

[21:03:37]

kormoc:

Spyro, channel[s]

[21:03:46]

kormoc:

Would have thought that'd be fairly obvious

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Andrew_Barber:

i am looking at my channel editor, and all of the channels are unnamed now

[21:04:19]

** jamiem offers out handbags **

[21:04:32]

Andrew_Barber:

i added a new lineup on SD, and tried to switch to it

[21:04:38]

kormoc:

Andrew_Barber, so wipe them, update your schedules direct lineup, fill database, call it good

[21:05:01]

justinh:

we strongly discourage manually mangling the database here, for reasons probably not immediately obvious

[21:05:24]

Andrew_Barber:

kormoc: how do i wipe them?

[21:05:35]

sphery:

Yep... If a user can't figure out how to make the application--which was designed to put the right data into the database--work properly, I'm sure they'll be able to just glance at the raw data in the database and figure out what data belongs where, as well as all the constraints on the data, quite easily...

[21:05:35]

Andrew_Barber:

do i have to delete one by one?

[21:05:39]

wagnerrp:

there should be a 'delete all' button

[21:06:09]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[21:06:13]

sphery:

Andrew_Barber: ^^^

[21:06:41]

Spyro:

sphery: sometimes the user wants to *see* the data because the user (whilst they might not be able to see all the 'constraints' might be able to see if it looks outright bloody nutty.

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RyeBrye:

Wouldn't moving to innodb or something that at least enforced basic foreign key constraints solve some of the issues?

[21:09:44]

kormoc:

not really

[21:09:53]

jamiem:

:)

[21:10:20]

kormoc:

'Let me delete my channels here...' 'WTF?!?! It deleted everything tied to the PK?'

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RyeBrye:

well, cascading delete in that situation would be stupid. the database woudl simply not LET them delete that because the key constraint would fail

[21:11:17]

** kormoc fails to see why Spyro is up in arms **

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Spyro:

for example I can now see that all the channels I cant tune seem to be in multiplex 5 and 6

[21:11:28]

meshe:

kormoc: that's why you use: on delete restrict

[21:11:33]

kormoc:

heh

[21:11:33]

jamiem:

I like how the filename date format uses YYYYMMDD to avoid the Y10K problem

[21:11:48]

Andrew_Barber:

thanks guys, running mythfilldatabase now

[21:11:51]

sid3windr:

I don't get the comment on 4885 about our/your :/

[21:11:56]

Andrew_Barber:

should know if it works in....1 hour

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jamiem:

or Y21M problem

[21:12:25]

kormoc:

it's still a case of there are times we want to truncate the channel table, restricting that is bad, enforcing it is bad

[21:12:35]

sphery:

Huh... gzip is /still/ the winner for MythTV Database Backup Compression ( http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/DatabaseB . . . ression.html )

[21:12:38]

kormoc:

there's no solid solution for everyone

[21:12:47]

kormoc:

sphery, third annual?

[21:13:03]

sphery:

xv compresses it down amazingly well, but takes /forever/--even on my Athlon X2 5200+

[21:13:46]

sphery:

heh, first one I've done since I originally did the backup patch--where I found that my Athlon XP 2400+ could do a gzip compression in 30s that took >7min using bzip2

[21:13:51]

RyeBrye:

kormoc: no, because you can turn off constraints with one command. "SET FOREIGN_KEY_CHECKS = 0;" (do your dirty deeds) then "SET FOREIGN_KEY_CHECKS = 1;"

[21:13:52]

sphery:

Just wanted to try out xz

[21:14:01]

sphery:

http://tukaani.org/xz/

[21:14:15]

kormoc:

RyeBrye, and even more work for the users who half the time fail to even get into the shell

[21:14:21]

sphery:

heh, I do too much Myth... "xv compresses it..." meant xz

[21:14:44]

kormoc:

I'm all for inno, and I'm all for foreign keys, but it requires a level of technical knowledge that the average user we have is lacking

[21:14:49]

jamiem:

pbzip?

[21:15:02]

** iamlindoro is the average user, and is lacking **

[21:15:23]

RyeBrye:

kormoc: but the average user isn't supposed to ever touch the db manually anyway? I thought the whole discussion of moving to an embedded db was to protect the users from themselves

[21:15:38]

sphery:

sid3windr: the patch on #4885 has a GPL license statement in some new files, but has a /typo/ in that statement (it's missing the "y" in "your")

[21:15:50]

kormoc:

RyeBrye, but sadly it's still needed from time to time

[21:16:10]

sid3windr:

sphery: so the user can select the license version, and not the author? :)

[21:16:17]

iamlindoro:

RyeBrye: Especially with the fairly huge DB upgrade between .21->trunk/.22, we're finding that users have mucked with their DB in huge numbers

[21:16:49]

sphery:

sid3windr: if the extension is written the way it /should/ be written, yes

[21:16:54]

sid3windr:

ok :)

[21:16:57]

iamlindoro:

mostly on advice from other even more clueless users

[21:17:36]

RyeBrye:

Perhaps mythtv-users should be replaced with a simulated mailing list where every poster is kept in their own sandbox, and chatbots reply to their posts or generate random chatter

[21:17:44]

sphery:

sid3windr: You may leave out the "or a later version" extension (which is equivalent to saying, "at our option"), but shouldn't make it look like you have that extension of rights if you don't

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Holy cow, that is *slow*

[21:18:18]

sid3windr:

ic :)

[21:18:19]

sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah... but it saves me 23MiB...

[21:18:25]

sphery:

You know what that's worth today?

[21:18:31]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Hehe

[21:18:41]

Andrew_Barber:

kormoc: wiped, ran mfd, channels are good now (thanks), but no guide info?

[21:18:49]

sphery:

I truly believe that the electricity it uses it more costly than the disk space.

[21:18:55]

jamiem:

Andrew_Barber: EIT is run at intervals

[21:19:10]

Andrew_Barber:

i use SD

[21:19:13]

jamiem:

oh

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Andrew_Barber:

haha, np

[21:19:32]

Andrew_Barber:

figured it would grab the data right away

[21:19:51]

Andrew_Barber:

could it be a lineup problem on SD's side?

[21:20:18]

Andrew_Barber:

or is it likely something i'm doing wrong?

[21:20:25]

** jamiem nods fervently **

[21:20:34]

jamiem:

:)

[21:20:55]

meshe:

when the 22 launch goes out, i hightly recommend that any binary that touches the database first does a full dump before doing an upgrade

[21:21:12]

justinh:

it already does

[21:21:14]

meshe:

^ i know, feature request without patch

[21:21:15]

iamlindoro:

meshe: does

[21:21:18]

meshe:

ahh

[21:21:23]

iamlindoro:

any schema upgrade does a dump

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meshe:

should be fine then

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justinh:

has done for quite some time

[21:21:29]

iamlindoro:

into the "default" SG

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iamlindoro:

or DB

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sphery:

iamlindoro: cost of drive space (assuming $0.10/GB) = $0.0024765146 . Assuming 8min of 100

[21:21:44]

iamlindoro:

(SG, that is)

[21:21:54]

iamlindoro:

heh

[21:22:50]

** jamiem sets his language to "Afar" **

[21:23:00]

sphery:

%CPU with a change of 18W between idle and 100%, that's 2.4Wh = 0.0024kWh, so at $0.10/kWh, that's $0.00024

[21:23:09]

iamlindoro:

Joke's on you, that's the default language! ;)

[21:23:16]

jamiem:

lolwut

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wagnerrp:

seems the mp4 container has a partial byte offset on the raw streams

[21:23:22]

iamlindoro:

Truly

[21:23:36]

sphery:

So, it's actually more expensive to use the lower efficiency compression, until you realize you'll be deleting and rotating the files...

[21:23:40]

iamlindoro:

Afar is the first in the list, so the default setting for Guide language is Afar

[21:24:00]

wagnerrp:

i was looking for that x264 identifier block for that Quicktime vs. MKV thread on -users

[21:24:05]

meshe:

sphery: you penny pincher ;)

[21:24:08]

sphery:

Afar as I know that only happens if you actually go to that page

[21:24:11]

jamiem:

FINE!

[21:24:12]

wagnerrp:

and my mkv encodes show it plain as day

[21:24:15]

** jamiem adjusts to Middle English **

[21:24:20]

wagnerrp:

but i cant find it in any of my mp4 encodes

[21:24:37]

Andrew_Barber:

iamlindoro: i just did ran mythfilldatabase for a new cable provider, and now the channels are right, but the guide is empty. thoughts?

[21:24:41]

sphery:

i.e. if you start up Myth, it uses a proper default, but if you go to the page where you select it and /do not/ select it, you get whatever you left the list on--Afar.

[21:24:56]

sphery:

but I haven't looked at the code for a while, so I can't guarantee that's true, anymore.

[21:25:13]

jamiem:

Afar 1. n. Language that must be shouted to be heard

[21:25:16]

sphery:

meshe: heh, just had to do the math. :)

[21:25:50]

iamlindoro:

Andrew_Barber: --refresh-all

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meshe:

sphery: i did the same a couple months ago trying to figure out the equivilent cost per gallon of generating hydrogen at home for a hydrogen car

[21:26:34]

Andrew_Barber:

iamlindoro: not familiar with that

[21:26:39]

iamlindoro:

Andrew_Barber: Which has a sometimes-annoying habit of refreshing all-but-today, so once you do that, make sure to check schedules for *tomorrow* before you say it didn't work :)

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sphery:

meshe: using the mains and electrolysis?

[21:27:06]

wagnerrp:

meshe: with electrolysis, you end up south of 50% energy recovery

[21:27:22]

Andrew_Barber:

iamlindoro: where is that comman used?

[21:27:23]

sphery:

iamlindoro: --refresh-all --refresh-today

[21:27:29]

sphery:

mythfilldatabase

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jamiem:

ARGH!

[21:27:39]

jamiem:

I just used rsync --delete in a for loop

[21:27:40]

jamiem:

arse

[21:27:49]

meshe:

yeah, mains and electrolosis, worked out to an equivalent of $0.50/litre CAD

[21:27:56]

jamiem:

400GB of (backed up) stuff vanished

[21:28:05]

iamlindoro:

Andrew_Barber: See sphery's message, mythfilldatabase --refresh-all --refresh-today

[21:28:07]

wagnerrp:

so... approximate to current gas prices?

[21:28:07]

sphery:

meshe: how's that compare to the price of gas in your are?

[21:28:18]

meshe:

gas is about $1.00

[21:28:28]

meshe:

/litre

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sphery:

wow, so it's cheaper.

[21:28:36]

wagnerrp:

our area is bouncing just under $2/gal

[21:28:51]

meshe:

yeah

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sphery:

is this for a hydrogen-burning engine or fuel cell?

[21:29:13]

meshe:

fuel cell

[21:29:38]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, but you basically have a thermobaric bomb in your trunk

[21:29:44]

sphery:

wow... You'd think it would be a /lot/ cheaper to go the gas route--what with the inefficiencies in conversion from electric to chemical to electric...

[21:30:12]

sphery:

Now for the true test of your geekiness... Did you factor in the cost of the water, too?

[21:30:26]

justinh:

it has to be more expensive than petrol, or else how would the car manufacturers help maintain the status quo?

[21:30:32]

kormoc:

I'm around $2.60 a gallon

[21:30:49]

meshe:

with the information i could find, i calcualted the equivelant hydrogen to gasoline volume in energy production and found the mpg for the hydrogen vehicle and the cost per KWh

[21:30:55]

wagnerrp:

my sister just filled up for $1.58/gal the other day

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kormoc:

why would the car manufacturers care what petrol would cost

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meshe:

sphery: where i was living at the time, waster is covered in property taxes with no metering

[21:31:47]

Andrew_Barber:

i always auto run mfd, how do you run it from the terminal?

[21:32:00]

kormoc:

sphery, FYI, http://pastebin.ca/1381287

[21:32:01]

wagnerrp:

mfd?

[21:32:06]

justinh:

Andrew_Barber: how do you run anything from a terminal?

[21:32:09]

wagnerrp:

oh, mythfilldatabase

[21:32:09]

iamlindoro:

Andrew_Barber: We keep typing the command for you

[21:32:16]

meshe:

there's other methods like natural gas->hydrogen whicch may or may not be cheaper

[21:32:25]

iamlindoro:

"mythfilldatabase --refresh-all --refresh-today"

[21:32:31]

iamlindoro:

for the fourth time ;)

[21:32:36]

wagnerrp:

meshe: hydrogen will NEVER be viable for a vehicle

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Andrew_Barber:

oh crap, i thought it was more than that

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Andrew_Barber:

sorry guys

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, other then the current ones tha are hydrogen based?

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wagnerrp:

hydrogen is nothing more than a battery

[21:33:05]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, and gas isn't?

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wagnerrp:

and as a battery, it has less energy capacity than li-ion

[21:33:14]

kormoc:

what is more then a battery?

[21:33:23]

wagnerrp:

rather, less energy density

[21:33:25]

iamlindoro:

Peeeee-ople

[21:33:33]

justinh:

what we really need is a way to efficiently.. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[21:33:35]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, in liquid form?

[21:33:39]

meshe:

i want either a battery that will charge in 5 mins or a battery powered car capable of 100 miles range on batter with hydrogen backup

[21:33:47]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: you cannot store hydrogen in liquid form

[21:33:59]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, you can not? I beg to differ!

[21:34:02]

wagnerrp:

its a cryogenic liquid

[21:34:09]

wagnerrp:

in liquid form, its stored at just a few kelvin

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wagnerrp:

if the space shuttle sits on the pad for more than a few days, its tanks are empty due to pressure venting

[21:34:47]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_hydrogen , Key being "Once liquified it can be maintained as a liquid in pressurized and thermally insulated containers"

[21:35:01]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, there's a difference between 'Doesn't Last Long as' and 'Can Not'

[21:35:19]

kormoc:

I'd be happy to fill up my commuter car daily in my garage

[21:35:54]

meshe:

electric cars are the best way being they have the highest efficiency, but you need something for long range

[21:36:19]

iamlindoro:

I think the new Tesla is sexy, would love for the current comapny to make good in time to get one :)

[21:36:40]

iamlindoro:

something like 80+% of americans drive less than 40 miles a day, electric is fine for the vast vast majority

[21:37:07]

meshe:

i don't even own a car, the only time i drive is when i rent one to go 400+ miles

[21:37:24]

kormoc:

If an electric car was cheap enough, I'd own both my current gas guzzling convertible and an electric commuter

[21:37:24]

meshe:

everything else i need is transit accessable

[21:37:31]

iamlindoro:

meshe: IMO The solution there is battery swap stations, wuth industry standard loading slots and form factor

[21:37:39]

kormoc:

I'd love if I'd only have to take the conv out when it's sunny and fun!

[21:37:40]

iamlindoro:

er with

[21:38:08]

meshe:

iamlindoro: or electrolyte exchanges :)

[21:38:11]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: you trust using someone else's batteries?

[21:38:42]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Were it governmentally mandated, safety inspected, etc., there's no reason it can't be as safe as gasoline

[21:38:53]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, you build your own batteries?

[21:39:04]

kormoc:

'I power my home on lemons and nails!'

[21:39:20]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: im talking about if you swapped out your dead batteries with charged ones at the local 'gas station'

[21:39:43]

meshe:

we are going to eventually build an electric/solar car with hydrogen backup if we can get our hands on a fuel-cell

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wagnerrp:

it may be an unfounded fear, but its the same reason i would never go for one of those propane tank exchange programs

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sphery:

meshe: so you can only use hydrogen when the car is in reverse?

[21:40:25]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, meh, if it's regulated enough, I'm game

[21:40:32]

sphery:

"hydrogen backup"

[21:40:36]

meshe:

sphery: haha

[21:41:16]

sphery:

are there any local laws (there or in the US) that would constrain a person's ability to produce and store hydrogen gas at home?

[21:41:34]

Andrew_Barber:

should i be concerned with the following message displayed while running filldatabase? table "mythconverg/credits" is marked as crashed and needs repaired

[21:41:46]

wagnerrp:

not that im aware of

[21:42:00]

meshe:

iirc honda is selling hydrgen generation stations for the home

[21:42:05]

iamlindoro:

Andrew_Barber: You should be concerned any time any table is crashed

[21:42:06]

justinh:

Andrew_Barber: yes

[21:42:12]

kormoc:

sphery, only in large quantities

[21:42:15]

wagnerrp:

other than perhaps regulations about flammable materials, or local housing laws about large outside tanks

[21:42:20]

Andrew_Barber:

how can that be fixed?

[21:42:26]

justinh:

what is it with all the people who have trouble making sense of plain English error messages?

[21:42:26]

iamlindoro:

Andrew_Barber: mysqlcheck

[21:42:38]

iamlindoro:

mysqlcheck -u root mythconverg

[21:42:52]

iamlindoro:

or whichever mysql user you care to use besides the mysql root user

[21:43:23]

Andrew_Barber:

k, thx

[21:43:44]

jamiem:

:)

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** kormoc wonders why folks don't trust computers **

[21:44:48]

Andrew_Barber:

just running it will fix it?

[21:44:59]

Andrew_Barber:

or just help me find the problem?

[21:45:05]

ccfreak2k:

Do any of you have a TV tuner card with a SAA713x in it?

[21:45:11]

sphery:

Andrew_Barber: optimize_mythdb.pl (if the master backend is running)

[21:45:18]

justinh:

kormoc: did you ever see that film where the computer ran a whole house & raped the woman & sired a child? THAT is why!

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kormoc:

"Warning, there's a big rock being thrown at your head" "Hrm... Is that something I should worry bout Bob?" "Yes!" "Oh noes! There's a roc*ouch*"

[21:45:36]

justinh:

demon seed – the ULTIMATE convergence box

[21:45:40]

** kormoc laughs **

[21:45:46]

kormoc:

Deamon seed, no?

[21:45:55]

kormoc:

(or is it Daemon?)

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sphery:

meshe: here's your batter: http://www.sciencentral.com/articles/view.php . . . id=218392803

[21:46:15]

sphery:

battery

[21:46:31]

justinh:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075931/

[21:46:40]

meshe:

sphery: http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/home . . . station.aspx

[21:46:48]

kormoc:

ha

[21:47:01]

Andrew_Barber:

iamlindoro: okay, just checked the guide and it's still empty after the refresh all and refresh today

[21:47:10]

Andrew_Barber:

SD's issue?

[21:47:15]

iamlindoro:

Doubtful

[21:47:21]

sphery:

meshe: or the new one that I meant to find for you... http://www.techradar.com/news/portable-device . . . conds-581882

[21:47:24]

iamlindoro:

Almost always PEBKAC

[21:47:32]

sphery:

Li-ion that recharges in seconds

[21:47:38]

Andrew_Barber:

this'll be a good acronym

[21:47:44]

meshe:

sphery: yeah, i saw that one

[21:47:49]

iamlindoro:

Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair

[21:47:55]

Andrew_Barber:

hahahahaha

[21:48:30]

sphery:

cool... Hadn't seen that Home Energy Station. Just gotta make sure that people using coal-powered electric generation don't buy them...

[21:48:36]

meshe:

stupid pdfs sphery: http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:m-maNaO1 . . . nt=firefox-a

[21:48:58]

meshe:

new car from a canadian manufacturer coming out using super-capacitors

[21:49:09]

meshe:

250 mile range, 5 minute charge time

[21:49:16]

sphery:

wow

[21:49:18]

sphery:

nice

[21:49:23]

Andrew_Barber:

if it is user error, what is another way the guide could be empty after running mfd?

[21:49:26]

wagnerrp:

meshe: WTF kind of power hookup do those people have into their home???

[21:49:29]

iamlindoro:

5 whole minutes?!?!?!

[21:49:33]

sphery:

Wonder what kind of amperage you need to charge that thing

[21:49:38]

iamlindoro:

What in the hell am I supposed to do for al that time?

[21:49:41]

iamlindoro:

all

[21:49:45]

wagnerrp:

im mean youre probably talking about megawatt ranges there

[21:50:07]

iamlindoro:

Andrew_Barber: Corrupt database

[21:50:13]

iamlindoro:

have you run mysqlcheck yet?

[21:50:19]

sphery:

step 1: get a 2400V outlet installed in your garage

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meshe:

not sure, but that's what they need for the electric car to take off

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wagnerrp:

yeah, rough estimate for a low drag car would be about 750kW for that charge time

[21:51:29]

Andrew_Barber:

iamlindoro: ran the check, few errors popped up

[21:51:36]

sphery:

if that 5-min recharge car did take off, it would make a whole new business for "gas stations"... Plug in, go inside for a coffee and free wifi...

[21:51:37]

Andrew_Barber:

i'll try the optimize now

[21:52:05]

meshe:

sphery: by the time you pay gassing up takes around 5 mins anyway

[21:52:09]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i would be on nuke power currently, if people over in indiana didnt get scared in the 60s and decide to convert the half-built plant to coal

[21:52:25]

iamlindoro:

Andrew_Barber: May need to rerun mythfilldatabase if nothing got inserted because your DB was horked

[21:52:26]

** sphery thinks optimize_mythdb.pl is always better because you don't have to figure out all the command-line args for mysqlcheck **

[21:52:58]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm picturing a plant with a bunch of coal soaking in water...

[21:53:08]

iamlindoro:

mysqlcheck --checknow --noreally --justdoit --username youKnowWho -password mindyabusiness --database getonwithit

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Andrew_Barber:

is optimize_mythdb.pl run by itself?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: well what do you think a coal plant is?

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sphery:

vs optimize_mythdb.pl

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wagnerrp:

its just a bunch of burning coal boiling water, instead of a reactor doing so

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sphery:

I'm guessing they burn the coal rather than submerging it in water

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wagnerrp:

either way, you still have the big turbines and cooling tower

[21:54:02]

sphery:

yeah... just liked my picture better

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ccfreak2k:

IS it reasonable to assume that any card with an ATI Nxt2004 on it supports DVB?

[22:01:12]

meshe:

i probably couldn't run that 5 min charger, we only have 30 Amps to our place

[22:01:36]

Dassu:

When does mythtv run "command to set wakeup time" ?

[22:02:40]

wagnerrp:

meshe: the idea is that you have a second capacitor bank in your garage, that trickle charges over the rest of the day

[22:02:49]

wagnerrp:

and then performs a rapid dump into the car

[22:03:00]

meshe:

oooh, now that's a good idea

[22:03:18]

wagnerrp:

'trickle' being 5kW, and it still takes 12 hours to do

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wagnerrp:

23A on a standard 220V feed

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meshe:

we have 30A of a 110V feed

[22:05:05]

wagnerrp:

most new construction has a pair of 110V feeds, and a ground

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sid3windr:

a pair?

[22:05:21]

wagnerrp:

the 110V feeds are phased, but opposite, so they can provide 220V if needed

[22:05:21]

sid3windr:

not 3+1?

[22:05:34]

meshe:

not our place :)

[22:05:45]

wagnerrp:

as opposed to 3-phase power, where theyre 120deg offset

[22:06:05]

meshe:

but the average home would be able to support it

[22:06:07]

jamiem:

kormoc: /status/ needs a meta refresh

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wagnerrp:

sid3windr: then you just have two separate circuits into your house

[22:06:29]

meshe:

our last house was able to handle a hot tub that ran at 20A 22V

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sid3windr:

:)

[22:06:32]

meshe:

er 220V

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wagnerrp:

half on one 110V circuit, and half on the other

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wagnerrp:

or things like stoves, ovens, dryers, water heaters... gets the 220V circuit

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sphery:

jamiem: the MythTV backend status page in MythWeb?

[22:07:19]

jamiem:

ja

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sphery:

if so, I completely disagree

[22:07:35]

jamiem:

I'd code it but it's GPL so I'd have to supply it :(

[22:07:38]

meshe:

why is that sphery ?

[22:07:49]

sphery:

I leave my browser on that page so that when I /want/ a refresh, I can hit F5, but it doesn't waste time refreshing when I'm not looking at it.

[22:08:06]

wagnerrp:

jamiem: you mean its php, so if you ever distributed it, you would be providing the source code?

[22:08:14]

jamiem:

wut

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jamiem:

dunno

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sphery:

kormoc: just saw your stats... Pretty much the same as mine--except for your blazin' fast CPU. :)

[22:08:38]

wagnerrp:

GPL says you can modify code all you want, but if you distribute your modifications, you have to distribute the source code as well

[22:08:38]

jamiem:

I leave it open and think "WUT?" and then realise it's from four hours ago

[22:09:01]

Befriend28:

Hello I'm trying to make my saa7134 card work with sound in MythTV, Until now I have been unable to figure out what is wrong. It works with TVTime and this small command: sox --buffer 2048 -r 32000 -t alsa hw:1,0 -t alsa hw:0,0

[22:09:10]

meshe:

sphery: it could be optional

[22:09:14]

sphery:

I'd be happier with it having a timer that hid everything on the page when it's "out of date"

[22:09:16]

jamiem:

:)

[22:09:35]

meshe:

and have an option to set the refresh interval

[22:09:38]

wagnerrp:

but like i said, mythweb is all php (and a bit of perl), so if you ever distributed anything, you would be distributing the source code as well

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sphery:

Oh, and there's also the fact that constantly hitting the MythTV status page (i.e. http://mythbackend:6544/ --which is where the MythWeb page comes from) has throughout the history of Myth caused more crashes than anything else...

[22:10:50]

Befriend28:

Hello I'm trying to make my saa7134 card work with sound in MythTV, Until now I have been unable to figure out what is wrong. It works with TVTime and this small command: sox --buffer 2048 -r 32000 -t alsa hw:1,0 -t alsa hw:0,0 could somebody please help me?

[22:10:55]

sphery:

(OK, the fact is it causes crashes sometimes... That it caused more than anything else is conjecture.)

[22:11:44]

sphery:

I love how the monit people hit that port to see if mythbackend is running, then doing so causes mythbackend to crash, so monit restarts mythbackend, then continues to ping the status port.

[22:12:08]

meshe:

sphery: that doesn't sound like it's the fault of mythweb refreshes then, and if one hit succeeds then subsequent ones should also*

[22:12:30]

sid3windr:

I certainly hope hitting 6544 is not "wrong"

[22:12:35]

sid3windr:

how else would I monitor my backend :)

[22:12:58]

sphery:

last time I debugged a similar crash, I had to ping the port for 6hrs with a tight wget loop to get the crash

[22:13:07]

sphery:

it's almost always a race condition that sneaks in

[22:13:09]

wagnerrp:

sid3windr: that page is really for cursory information

[22:13:28]

sid3windr:

wagnerrp: what page?

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wagnerrp:

if you want to grab anything repeatedly, it would be better to use the mythtv bindings for your scripting language

[22:13:40]

wagnerrp:

the page on port 6544

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sid3windr:

I don't need the page

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sid3windr:

I just check if 6544 is listening

[22:13:55]

sid3windr:

I don't actually do an HTTP request or anything

[22:13:58]

sphery:

sid3windr: IMHO, the /best/ way is to use the perl bindings to ping the master backend... Something like: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/myth_ping.pl

[22:13:58]

sid3windr:

though maybe I could.. ;)

[22:14:09]

sphery:

sid3windr: but the downside is that /only/ works for the MBE

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sid3windr:

mmm

[22:14:46]

sid3windr:

(i'm saying this from a nagios pov)

[22:14:51]

wagnerrp:

if a program crashes badly, the system can think its ports are still in use for several minutes afterwards

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sid3windr:

this looks indeed like a clean way

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sphery:

but only for the master backend

[22:15:09]

sid3windr:

but doing a regular connect every 5 minutes will cause less crashing than using the http server?

[22:15:21]

sphery:

that's unknown at this point :)

[22:15:29]

sphery:

feel free to let me know when you find out :)

[22:15:37]

sid3windr:

and/or: isn't having the thing listen on 6544 enough to see that it's running? (nagios check_tcp thingy)

[22:15:56]

sid3windr:

I'll set it up in my nagios this weekend :)

[22:16:23]

sphery:

I don't have anything monitoring my mythbackend because the /only/ times I have ever had it crash was when I lost power or got a kernel panic (due to an overheating chipset--stupid ****** chipset)

[22:16:34]

Befriend28:

Hello I'm trying to make my saa7134 card work with sound in MythTV, Until now I have been unable to figure out what is wrong. It works with TVTime and this small command: sox --buffer 2048 -r 32000 -t alsa hw:1,0 -t alsa hw:0,0 could somebody please help me?

[22:16:35]

sphery:

heh, my mythbackend just crashed...

[22:16:46]

sphery:

(it didn't, but the whole tempting fate thing and all..)

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sid3windr:

mine crashed a few days back

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sphery:

Befriend28: MythTV can't use ALSA libs to record sound, so you'll have to set up the OSS compatibility layer for that sound device or use your real sound card.

[22:17:40]

** jamiem does it with some javascript for every 120000ms **

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sid3windr:

first time in months though

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sid3windr:

wife was watching tv at the time so it was noticed immediately ;)

[22:18:34]

sphery:

Befriend28: i.e. you'll need to be able to supply a device name such as /dev/dsp1 to Myth for recording

[22:18:51]

sphery:

note that Myth /can/ do playback with ALSA libs (using ALSA:default , or whatever)

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Befriend28:

sphery Thanks... but how do I make OSS work... sadly there is no saa7134-oss module avaliabel

[22:19:53]

sphery:

sid3windr: regarding the frequent connections to the backend, in a single session of watching TV, my frontend may connect to the master backend >100 times...

[22:20:00]

meshe:

the only time mines crashed with mythbuntu 8.10 is when the power went out, and it wasn't just myth that crashed ;)

[22:20:57]

sid3windr:

sphery: is that for the filestreaming socket you mean?

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sid3windr:

I assume the control connection stays open the whole time :)

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sphery:

Befriend28: yeah, you need to use the ALSA OSS compatibility layer... Or apply the patch at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3405

[22:22:24]

Befriend28:

sphery So what is the differences between OSS and SOX?

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Befriend28:

sphery thanks for the link

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sphery:

Befriend28: it's not doing a conversion of the audio that's required, it's converting the function calls in our code

[22:23:41]

sphery:

Befriend28: so, you don't need sox, you need to set up /dev/dsp1 or whatever

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sphery:

(though now that I think about it, I'm thinking /dev/dspX is output and I don't remember what the input device names in OSS are...)

[22:25:57]

sphery:

I would recommend you just set up ALSA apppropriately, but I happen to realize how big a mess ALSA is, so the patch might actually be the easier approach.

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schlazor:

Befriend28: what card specifically?

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Befriend28:

schlazor It is a "ASUSTeK Computer Inc. My Cinema-P7131 Hybrid" " Philips Semiconductors SAA7131/SAA7133/SAA7135 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev d1)"

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Befriend28:

schlazor there is no sount out on the back I could link to my SB Live 1024 card so I have to rout it thouge PCI

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schlazor:

analog or digital card?

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Befriend28:

schlazor Both but I only use analog

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schlazor:

ah

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schlazor:

i'm no good for you then :) i have a kworld atsc/analog card that has that chip but only use it for OTA HD

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schlazor:

is your kernel loading the saa7134-alsa module?

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schlazor:

not sure if that is required for analog capture

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Befriend28:

schlazor yes it is, and I can make it work with tvtime

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Befriend28:

schlazor With sount I mean

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Befriend28:

schlazor I just use this small command here sox --buffer 2048 -r 32000 -t alsa hw:1,0 -t alsa hw:0,0

[22:33:36]

schlazor:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Kworld_ATSC_110

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Befriend28:

schlazor sound not sount

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schlazor:

look at step 6

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schlazor:

where it talks about v4lctl

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schlazor:

not sure if that helps but it might be worth a shot

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Andrew_Barber:

would justs like to thank you guys for the help with my corrupt db, the guide is populated now

[22:47:42]

Andrew_Barber:

although, now my IR remote does now work.....

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Andrew_Barber:

don't even know where to start troubleshooting that....

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clever:

'does now work'?

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Andrew_Barber:

sorry, does not work

[22:53:37]

clever:

is lircd running?

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Andrew_Barber:

how do i check?

[22:54:08]

clever:

ps aux|grep lircd

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jamiem:

pgrep lircd

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Andrew_Barber:

yep

[22:55:20]

Andrew_Barber:

well, it returned something

[22:55:25]

Andrew_Barber:

so i assume yes

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clever:

run 'irw' and check if it can detect the keys

[22:55:54]

Andrew_Barber:

"connect: connection refused"

[22:56:02]

clever:

then lircd isnt running:P

[22:56:06]

Andrew_Barber:

oops

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jamiem:

Andrew_Barber: if you used ps waux it might have return ps itself

[22:56:16]

jamiem:

pgrep is probably clearer

[22:56:38]

jamiem:

if you use bash you can sort of use ps waux | grep [f]oo

[22:56:42]

jamiem:

but it's a bit hacky

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clever:

jamiem: pgrep didnt return the args for the program

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jamiem:

it'll return a pid though

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clever:

and i usualy use ps aux|grep lircd|grep -v grep

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Andrew_Barber:

clever: i typed "ps aux|grep lircd"

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jamiem:

EW

[22:57:13]

jamiem:

nm

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Andrew_Barber:

and then it returned a line of data

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clever:

Andrew_Barber: it should give 2 lines of output, the grep and the lircd

[22:57:40]

Andrew_Barber:

let me grab the output

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jamiem:

. o O ( what if you're grepping something called foogrepbar? )

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sid3windr:

:]

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abarber:

switched to my myth comp

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abarber:

abarber 30874 0.0 0.0 3004 772 pts/0 S+ 15:56 0:00 grep lircd

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abarber:

does that mean it's not running?

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** jamiem nods **

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clever:

adante: there should be a 2nd line from lirc itself

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abarber:

ugh, how do i fix that?

[22:59:48]

jamiem:

invoke lircd :)

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clever:

restart lirc, maybe sudo /etc/init.d/lircd start

[23:00:07]

abarber:

does it need to be in a cron job in the future?

[23:00:15]

clever:

it shouldnt be crashing on its own

[23:00:34]

clever:

and mythfrontend wont reconnect so cron wont exactly help enless you have a keyboard to restart mythfrontend

[23:00:53]

abarber:

i've never messed with lirc since i first set it up 2 years ago

[23:01:09]

abarber:

so i wasn't sure how to start it or make sure it's always running

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clever:

a reboot would be enough(and overkill) to fix it, assuming nothing is actualy broken

[23:01:31]

abarber:

okay, so it runs on startup...good

[23:02:21]

clever:

it should run at startup

[23:02:34]

clever:

or youve been running it non-stop for the past 2 years since you fixed it:P

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abarber:

haha

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abarber:

now i have to find it

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abarber:

does sudo /etc/init.d/lircd start = sudo /etc/init.d/lirc start

[23:03:36]

clever:

im not shure what its actualy called

[23:03:44]

clever:

since i made my own startup script for everything at once

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abarber:

does lirc = lircd

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abarber:

nice

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clever:

just find something similar and start it

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clever:

and no, 'formatall' is not similar to 'lircd', dont start 'formatall' :P

[23:04:52]

abarber:

haha

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abarber:

okay, ran sudo /etc/init.d/lirc start

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jamiem:

/etc/init.d/fbi_panic start

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abarber:

now irw?

[23:05:50]

clever:

yeah try irw again

[23:06:10]

abarber:

wow, refused again

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jamiem:

abarber: irw takes switches like --device or -d iirc

[23:06:41]

jamiem:

make sure it hasn't moved to /dev/input/input6 or something

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jamiem:

if it even uses /dev/input

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clever:

jamiem: it defaults to /dev/lircd, and mythfrontend cant be told to use something else, so it has to be there for things to work right

[23:06:56]

jamiem:

USB orders can change between kernels and weird shit

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jamiem:

clever: sure. So find where the kernel put it then symlink? :)

[23:07:33]

clever:

jamiem: /dev/lircd isnt made by the kernel

[23:07:40]

clever:

its a unix socket made by lircd

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jamiem:

granted

[23:08:01]

jamiem:

but if lircd isn't finding the device there will be errors carried over?

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clever:

lirc then translated it and feeds /dev/lirc0 (or similar) which is made by udev(because the driver in the kernel asked)

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clever:

the init.d script may spew errors

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clever:

depends on how crappy it was writen

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jamiem:

I seem to recollect my Mac Remote moved from somewhere to somewhere else which ducked over lircd and everything that relied on it thereafter

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abarber:

is this output right?

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abarber:

root 31821 0.0 0.0 2932 544 ? Ss 16:09 0:00 /usr/sbin/lircd --driver=uirt2_raw --device=/dev/lirc1

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abarber:

abarber 31823 0.0 0.0 3008 776 pts/0 S+ 16:09 0:00 grep lircd

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clever:

yeah that looks ok

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kormoc:

well, you have a process ID for a process...

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abarber:

irw isn't running right...

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abarber:

it opens another command line

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abarber:

instead of blank space

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clever:

?

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abarber:

i recall running irw before

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abarber:

and it leaving the command line open

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abarber:

for keystrokes

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abarber:

or remote signals, rather

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clever:

it will appear to do nothing and not return to the command prompt

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abarber:

this time, it just returns to the next command line

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clever:

at that point, start mashing buttons on the remote!

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clever:

somethigns not right then

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abarber:

right

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abarber:

lirc sucks

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clever:

you could just uninstall it:P

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abarber:

i know it's something stupid and easy i'm messing up

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abarber:

with the remote file, or lircd.conf, or the receiver file

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clever:

bbl

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abarber:

gonna try a restart

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iamlindoro_:

You know a linux user has gotten desperate when he resorts to the restart

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Andrew_Barber:

:-)

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Andrew_Barber:

i was lost...i hate navigating lirc files

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Andrew_Barber:

and great, lircd isn't starting up

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J-e-f-f-A:

Andrew_Barber: Try running it as your mythtv user, not root.

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Andrew_Barber:

connection refused

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Andrew_Barber:

i have no idea what happened

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Andrew_Barber:

it worked for 2 years

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Andrew_Barber:

and then today i change providers

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Andrew_Barber:

and now IR remote won't work

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Andrew_Barber:

i just remember lirc being a hassle

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J-e-f-f-A:

Andrew_Barber: Check the permissions on your /dev/lirc device...

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abarber:

okay

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abarber:

i remember having to figure out which dev it was

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarber: check your lircd.conf file...

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abarber:

why do i have several of those?

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abarber:

lol

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Marvin_Runyon:

Hello... I'm specing hardward for my first mythtv build, and I am entirely unclear on GPU acceleration support and what vendor is the best one to go with

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abarber:

Marvin_Runyon: any cpu you can buy today should be fine imo

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Marvin_Runyon:

XvBA, XvMC, UVD, VDPAU, I'm a little lost and haven't been able to find a good guide, anyone have a good link or some advice?

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abarber:

i literally spent 300 on my setup

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abarber:

J-e-f-f-A: any idea which lircd.conf i should look at?

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Marvin_Runyon:

I get the impression that using GPU will give overall lower power usage, which I find a compelling reason to use it

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J-e-f-f-A:

Marvin_Runyon: I'd go with an Nvidia 8400 or better.

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarber: probably /etc/lircd.conf

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Marvin_Runyon:

is the 8300 good? I'm aiming at a motherboard with onboard gpu

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Marvin_Runyon:

from what I can tell, ATI has no mythtv supported API/Drivers yet, but NVidia does?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Marvin_Runyon: An nvidia 8400 or better is capable of VDPAU – and 8300 will work, but may not be able to do all the deinterlacers that a better card can. There's an article in the wiki on vdpau.

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abarber:

J-e-f-f-A: mine has 2 includes in it....

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abarber:

check those out?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Marvin_Runyon: No hardware decoding drivers for Linux, never mind Myth.

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Marvin_Runyon:

J-e-f-f-A: thanks for the tip on the 8300... read the wiki article

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J-e-f-f-A:

Marvin_Runyon: NP. Nvidia is the way to go. ;-)

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Marvin_Runyon:

so ATI sucks for linux supported codec acceleration so far?

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Marvin_Runyon:

seems there is buzz that they will, but nothing available yet

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J-e-f-f-A:

yep – non-existent – although they had rumored to be coming out with it... ^^ exactly.

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iamlindoro__:

They're about six months behind on that boat right now

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Marvin_Runyon:

I guess if they release something that amazing there is always the option of a pcie card or new mb

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Marvin_Runyon:

the gigabyte ATI board that everyone liked seems to be off the market now anyway

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iamlindoro__:

With almost 100% certainty they don't intend to release the API to the public

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abarber:

J-e-f-f-A: found the lircd.conf file and the 2 files it pointed to

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iamlindoro__:

It appears they have paid the guy doing the HWAccel API for ffmpeg to add what code is necessary for them to use VAAPI so that they don't need to expose their API for XVBA

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Marvin_Runyon:

so if the XvBA API is non public, what is the point? they selling some kind of linux media player app?

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iamlindoro__:

No. VAAPI/FFMpeg's HWAccel API will allow for various backends, inclusing XVBA, through a VAAPI frontend

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iamlindoro__:

er including

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarber: one sec – trying to check my files... Been a little while since I had to play around with lirc. ;-)

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abarber:

ditto...it's terrible

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iamlindoro__:

So programs access VAAPI, and the HWAccel API translates it to the XVBA backend

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kkuno:

hi, I read in the wiki that if I save hwclock before shutdown the pc, wakeup alarm won't work (and it's true with my pc)... but, can I set the wakeup timer just after saving hwclock?

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abarber:

i think i have everything i need, just need to figure out how thy are called

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarber: It's not *that* bad... Easy once you get the hang of it... Just that the documentation isn't all that 'clear', and the support isn't real-time...

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Marvin_Runyon:

what is VAAPI? not on the myth wiki

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iamlindoro__:

Video Accel API

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iamlindoro__:

An API mostly funded by Intel that was thought to be stalled, only recently began to show signs of life again, with a great deal of code recently committed to ffmpeg

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarber: Humm... the device isn't specified in there, just the remote control codes. So it's in your startup file. How are you starting it?

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I think there is a memory issue with fanart and the xorg process. Have you observed this yourself? Here are the details: http://pastebin.ca/1381358

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abarber:

ummmm

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abarber:

no idea

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarber: ... it's probably in /etc/init.d/lircd or similar...

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iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, If it is a bug/memory link, it's almost certainly not in Myth-- but I haven't been tracking memory utilization closely

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abarber:

okay, i have init.d open

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abarber:

and i see lirc

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abarber:

but not lircd

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Marvin_Runyon:

so XvMC and VAAPI are APIs akin to DirectVideo, and XvBA and VDPAU are proprietary vendor APIs that the former can leverage

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RDV_Linux:

This one seems extreme enough that throwing memory at it is not a viable answer.

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abarber:

oh, it's in usr/sbin

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Marvin_Runyon:

am I getting close now? ;-)

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iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, Indeed not, but it's not within my power to fix

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abarber:

does it need to be in init.d to be run at startup?

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iamlindoro__:

Marvin_Runyon, Sort of

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abarber:

(noob with linux file structure)

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Marvin_Runyon:

ok, cool... well this is insightful, because I was on the track of thinking an ATI chip was the way to go

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RDV_Linux:

For my own curiosity does the fanart get displayed by the same mechanism as wallpaper?

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iamlindoro__:

Marvin_Runyon, All four are APIs for hardware acceleration. Someone has written an abstraction layer that allows one to address all four by just using VAAPI

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iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, The fanart gets displayed using the same mechanism as any other image in myth

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Marvin_Runyon:

does anything use XvBA natively? I'm getting the impression it is useless from an end user's perspetive

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarber: well, usr/sbin is the object. The init file is probably just /etc/init.d/lirc (d=the daemon)

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarber: so... what device does it specify to use in there?

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iamlindoro__:

No, nothing does/can use XvBA natively as there's no public API for accessing it

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abarber:

in the lirc or the lircd?

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abarber:

sorry

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iamlindoro__:

You *can*, however, access VAAPI, XVMC, and VDPAU nativel

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iamlindoro__:

Myth can use XvMC and VDPAU

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RDV_Linux:

If you get the chance please see if your xorg process retains excessive memory after mythfronend exists. I am assuming you have viewed several fanart ~100

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iamlindoro__:

many more than 100 :)

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Marvin_Runyon:

cool, I should have stopped in here a while ago instead of getting nowhere with google

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarber: in /etc/init.d/lirc

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abarber:

can i pastebin it?

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abarber:

it's gibberish to me :-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarber: sure. ;-)

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Marvin_Runyon:

anyone happen to have a good recommendation for an nVidia AM2 mobo w/gpu as a good choice for a mythtv box?

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarber: include an "ls -l /dev/lirc* " too...

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abarber:

sure

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abarber:

http://pastebin.ca/1381370

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abarber:

crw-rw---- 1 root root 61, 0 2009-04–03 16:27 /dev/lirc0

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abarber:

srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 2009-04–03 16:27 /dev/lircd

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iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, After scrolling through 200 or so fanart images and quitting, my X remains at 42 M

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarber: Looks like it defaults to lirc0 --

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RDV_Linux:

Good for you bad for me.

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abarber:

so where do i start?

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abarber:

clearly lircd is not starting

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarber: My /dev/lirc0 is secured the same as mine, and my lircd is running as mythtv user, so it's got to be something else...

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RDV_Linux:

Thanks for doing the test. If I may ask what distribution are you running and what is the version of Xorg?

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iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, Ubuntu 8.10, Xorg 1.5.2, nVidia 180.37

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarber: which distribution are you running?

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