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Monday, March 30th, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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squish102:

any cheap, low powered, upnp clients that work well with mythtv?

[00:02:36]

wagnerrp:

ive heard people like the popcorn hour

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squish102:

yes, ive heard that too, except I think they > $200

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wagnerrp:

$180 from the site

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jamiem:

Total Disk Space:

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jamiem:

* Total Space: 1,184,230 MB

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jamiem:

* Space Used: 1,006,230 MB

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jamiem:

* Space Free: 178,000 MB

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jamiem:

:/

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jamiem:

need one of those 'green' TB bad boys

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iamlindoro_:

Total Space: 14,894,446 MB

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iamlindoro_:

Space Free: 1,695,321 MB

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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jamiem:

hells teeth

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at0m:

iamlindoro_, gonna watch some good ol' TV when you retire?

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jamiem:

iamlindoro_: pastebin `mount`

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iamlindoro_:

at0m, It's a bit deceptive

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iamlindoro_:

at0m, Trunk myth supports Storage groups for Videos in Mythvideo

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jamiem:

now that I understand recordgroup and storagegroup I just merged everything into default :)

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jamiem:

oooooooooh

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iamlindoro_:

at0m, So that total counts my recording SG and my Mythvideo one

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jamiem:

$ du -sh /mnt/media/video/

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jamiem:

639G /mnt/media/video/

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at0m:

iamlindoro_, plus some /pretty etc?

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: oops. I didn't take that into account

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iamlindoro_:

at0m, yep, fanart storage group, screenshot SG, cover SG, etc.

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx, heh, yep :)

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at0m:

(if that even shows)

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at0m:

oki

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at0m:

i was getting scared i'd miss something ;)

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iamlindoro_:

yep, it all gets mashed in together ATM, it's sort of a bug but not that bad of one

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** jamiem resents rm-ing all the 'preview' pngs **

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iamlindoro_:

As the aggregate storage space has some value too

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** jamiem might go for Solaris x86 + zfs next fileserver upgrade **

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k-man:

hello

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jamiem:

hi

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k-man:

is there some doco somewhere on integrating boxee with mythtv frontend?

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k-man:

hi jamiem

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jamiem:

annoying that DVB MPEG-TS isn't 'DVD' format

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jamiem:

it so nearly is

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jamiem:

the lack of transcoding would be very welcome

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Lexridge:

I generally use avidemux for all my transcoding needs. While myth works well, I like the control of avidemux.

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Lexridge:

is anyone having problems with nvidia driver v180.29? Every now and then, both my monitors drop to black, then come back 4 seconds later.

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cesman:

Lexridge: no problems here on two systems

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Lexridge:

cesman: okay, guess I need to look elsewhere for the issue then.

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PaulWay:

Hi all!

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kusznir:

Hi all: I'm having issues where I intermittently get: Error deleting '/GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/mythmaster/65304_20090329193000.mp g' could not open.

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PaulWay:

I'm now at stage 3 of my transfer of my old MythTV backend to my new machine, which is where I set the mythconverg database up on new-server and get the front and back ends on old-server to talk to the MySQL daemon on new-server.

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kusznir:

However, it appears that things generally work well, and I cannot recreate this on demand, but it does show up semi-often.

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PaulWay:

I can see how I do that for the front end, but do I just change the /root/.mythtv/mysql.cfg file for the backend?

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kusznir:

Usually it co-occurs after a mythwelcome wakeup and failed attempt to record (I also get a channel change script failure (error 255)).

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PaulWay:

kusznir: is the filename 65304_20090329193000.mpg real?

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kusznir:

PaulWay: I haven't checked that partular error, but when I've checked these errors out in the past, they were.

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PaulWay:

That would indicate a channel ID of 65304, or -232 or something.

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PaulWay:

Do you have a channel with that channel ID?

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kusznir:

No, but 232 I do.

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kusznir:

Its tuner 65, channel 304, which is valid.

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kusznir:

(I'm running knoppmyth, and for some reason my tuner IDs started at 65)

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PaulWay:

Hmmmm.

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PaulWay:

-232 in 16-bit numbers is also 65304 unsigned.

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kusznir:

And this system has only one tuner, and its ID is 65.

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kusznir:

and one of the most recorded channels is 304

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iamlindoro_:

65304 for a tuner of 65 and channel of 304 is correct

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PaulWay:

Ahhhh, sorry, I see.

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PaulWay:

That's different to what I'm used to. I'll shut up again :-)

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PaulWay:

If you've got any ideas on getting the mythbackend to use a different host for MySQL then I'd appreciate it :-)

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iamlindoro_:

mythbackend uses mysql.txt and config.xml too

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iamlindoro_:

the ones of the user who starts the mythbackend process

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iamlindoro_:

just like the frontend

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iamlindoro_:

so if your mythbackend init script runs it as mythtv, or root, or whomever, you change that users mysql.txt and config.xml files to suit

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PaulWay:

Right. Both files?

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iamlindoro_:

if both exist, then yes

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PaulWay:

Cool – thanks, iamlindoro_!

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iamlindoro_:

config.xml is "technically" the only one now

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iamlindoro_:

but some legacy stuff still uses mysql.txt

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iamlindoro_:

so best to change both-- no problem

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PaulWay:

Cool – thanks.

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PaulWay:

Now to figure out why the mount isn't writable.

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PaulWay:

answer: use no_root_squash on new-server. (Ugly but temporary)

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wagnerrp:

unless you have reason to access that as root (such as nfsroot), there should never be need for no_root_squash

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PaulWay:

Well, for hysterical reasons, mythbackend runs as root on my machine.

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wagnerrp:

although if youre using nfsv3, any sense of security is merely superficial anyway

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PaulWay:

Yep – I know about those problems :-)

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clever:

[ 105.347446] NVRM: Xid (0001:00): 6, PE0000

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clever:

i think the nvidia driver is screaming FIRE!

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PaulWay:

Well, mythbackend --printsched now looks at the new-server, so it looks good so far :-)

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wagnerrp:

i always loved the 'warning: LPT0 on fire'

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clever:

lol

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clever:

wagnerrp: in this case, the video board has been acting very screwy

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clever:

most of the time it acts like im writing interlaced frames to the ram, and displays them in progressive mode

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clever:

so i get the same image onscreen twice

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wagnerrp:

oh, just 'lp0 on fire'

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clever:

the problem also has spread to windows

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clever:

[ 233.504281] Xorg[6301]: segfault at 87107000 eip b71f7325 esp bfc55940 error 6

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clever:

:S

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clever:

it did something again

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clever:

the bg color of the desktop turned green for a moment

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clever:

puke green

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PaulWay:

I think it's trying to tell you something :-)

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clever:

yes

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clever:

for some reason both of my dell laptops are suddenly crashing 2–3 times/day

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clever:

i think i went thru a nuclear testing site this weekend

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clever:

now the Xserver on d630 has frozen again

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clever:

but the mouse still moves and sshd works

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wagnerrp:

looks like the linux kernel has some ACPI temperature checks that report 'CPU on fire'

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clever:

wagnerrp: ive seen my cpu throttle itself down to 600mhz and refuse to leave, because it was overheating

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clever:

but it never gave me any warning

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wagnerrp:

ive had freebsd shutdown to protect a system when the heatsink was not seated properly

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clever:

wagnerrp: my dell c600 just cut power when it over heated

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clever:

like i unpluged it without a batery

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wagnerrp:

this was a thermal trigger in the OS before the BIOS did it automatically

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clever:

but that wasnt linux related, it continued to happen in the bios before it had a chance to boot

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clever:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

triggered early, in an attempt to bring the system down cleanly

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clever:

a lower limit to properly shutdown

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clever:

yep

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clever:

now how do i safely bring the system out of a freeze:S

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clever:

Xorg is using 58% of the cpu...

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clever:

(and mythtranscode is using ~150%)

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clever:

wait no, 132% Xorg

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clever:

(dual core)

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clever:

wagnerrp: any clue as to why xorg has gone insane?

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clever:

Cpu(s): 49.5%us, 0.2%sy, 0.3%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 49.9%si, 0.0%st

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wagnerrp:

i dont even know what si is

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clever:

soft interupts i think

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clever:

kernel timers mainly

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clever:

and somehow, stoping mythtv made it worse

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clever:

root@d630:~# kill -9 6287 6291 6647 6638 6634

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clever:

ssh is not responding anymore

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clever:

wheres my null modem!

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clever:

wagnerrp: yay, the video is screwed up again

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mkrufky:

/msg janneg ping

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mkrufky:

oops

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clever:

wagnerrp: http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/paste/Photo_033009_001.jpg any idea what would cause this?

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Lexridge:

this is weird. If I watch an off air digital station, my CPU usages is very low, if I tune to a SD cable station, my CPU usage jumps to 130% on a dual core. Any ideas what would cause this?

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Lexridge:

This is something new. I didn't have this issue in FC6. CPU usage was always very low regardless of the source.

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sphery:

Lexridge: your playback profile group has different settings for standard def and high def (i.e. the not > 720 1280 profile is being chosen for SDTV and it's probably using some very high resource settings)?

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Lexridge:

sphery: they only thing under playback groups is "default"

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Lexridge:

I still haven't found the playback profile setting.

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sphery:

Lexridge: playback profiles are in TV Playback settings

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sphery:

Playback Groups are very different

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sphery:

they're unfortunately very similarly-named settings

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Lexridge:

yea, I see what you mean regarding naming

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Lexridge:

okay, I found it. What do I want here? CPU+ ?

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sphery:

start with Slim

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Lexridge:

okay

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sphery:

from there, if that works, feel free to try others (but, IMHO, Slim is the best--it's basically what I use)

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Lexridge:

okay, going to try it now

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sphery:

Oh, and if you want to customize, I highly recommend creating your own custom group instead of editing one of the examples

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles

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Lexridge:

holy crap!!! What a difference!!! No, 18% total both cores.

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Lexridge:

now 18% total both cores, that is.

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Lexridge:

I remember playing with this before, but do not remember what I had it set to in FC6. Perhaps it was slim.

[04:54:26]

Lexridge:

All the available settings in myth are a love/hate relationship. I love the power of everything, but hate remember where it all is.

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sphery:

Yeah, the default is supposed to be Normal (which is not a bad choice), but due to a bug (that requires modifying a /lot/ of the settings code to fix--so it's better to wait until it's been mythui'ed), CPU+ gets set and CPU+ is one of the worst choices (where CPU++ is probably the only worse choice) for a default.

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sphery:

yep... anyway, enjoy your HDTV /and/ SDTV, now. :)

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Lexridge:

thanks much sphery!

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Lexridge:

now maybe I can boot back to my RT kernel. :)

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wagnerrp:

clever: is that screen split in half and duplicated?

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clever:

wagnerrp: yep

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clever:

the bottom clone is partialy cut off

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clever:

i just had it happen in windows

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wagnerrp:

my controller gets screwed up occasionally, or scaling gets turned off, but ive never seen anything like that

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clever:

this is a card which can handle vdpau, but i havent used it in months

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wagnerrp:

newer cards are usually swappable arent they?

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clever:

its also screwing Xorg and linux up 90% of the time video dies

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wagnerrp:

i know even on mine, i can swap a daughterboard for a replacement

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clever:

Xorg was using 120% cpu in kernel space(driver dying)

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sphery:

clever: isn't that exactly the bug that was in one of the nvidia VDPAU driver versions?

[05:16:47]

clever:

and half the time, it reboots on its own

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clever:

sphery: im not running the beta driver anymore

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clever:

i only tested it a few months ago

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i thought the bug was that any attempt at using VDPAU displayed a 'burned in' image

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sphery:

is it a 130 version?

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wagnerrp:

but that all other function was fine

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clever:

i think im using 169.12+2.6.24.16–23.56 right now

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clever:

but the problem started when using gentoo, and affects the bios and windows also

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clever:

and under ubuntu, it still crashes after recovering

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sphery:

I don't remember exactly, but I thought I heard someone saying they had that problem and the response being that they had the buggy driver version

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sphery:

oh, and yeah, I meant 180 version, not 130

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clever:

i dont see how running the 180 version will cause it to go into melt-down 4 months later

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wagnerrp:

kormoc has an issue, where it irreparably damaged the chip somehow

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sphery:

hmmm, yeah, if this is just now starting and no driver version changes, it's something else

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wagnerrp:

any laptop that has a VDPAU capable video card should still be under warranty right?

[05:20:17]

clever:

i think the very first crash was running a dvd player in windows

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wagnerrp:

if not, id chip in the $100 needed for the warranty extension

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clever:

my dad can just ship it back to philips and they will get it serviced somewhere

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clever:

its the company laptop

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wagnerrp:

phillips? not dell?

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wagnerrp:

oh, thats who he works for

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clever:

my dad works for philips, but it will probly go to dell

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wagnerrp:

they may just pull the drive, and give him a new laptop

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clever:

probly not

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clever:

the drive just got encrypted

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clever:

and the system has a TPM

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clever:

so the key is probly tied to the motherboard

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wagnerrp:

well thats always fun

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clever:

yep

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clever:

perfect timing also:P

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iamlindoro_:

maybe your dad will learn not to let you touch his work stuff

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clever:

i was simply watching a dvd in the van

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iamlindoro_:

You're never simply anything

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clever:

how can i screw that up?

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iamlindoro_:

I've often asked myself that question about most of what you screw up

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clever:

explain how i could screw up a simply dvd player:P

[05:26:14]

iamlindoro_:

By being yourself, moron

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clever:

that doesnt make any sense:P

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iamlindoro_:

History has proven that you managed to twiddle and poke at things in such a way that something that is idiot-proof manages to not only break, but break in dramatic fashion

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iamlindoro_:

I don't need to explain *how* you did it, experience shows that it's enough *that* you did it

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clever:

it was a windows player

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clever:

that makes it even more 'idiot-proof'

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clever:

so acording to your theory, i am able to screw it up even more!

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wagnerrp:

xkcd 349 comes to mind...

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clever:

lol

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clever:

lol@562!

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kormoc:

iamlindoro_, I've found my head hurts a lot less when I ignored certain folks and didn't have to try to figure out how they managed to break something every day

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wagnerrp:

i cant tell you how many times ive wanted to do that

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc, probably would be a wise idea

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc, I use the ignore command too little

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro_: looks like youre running in the same ranks as JVA

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** kormoc blinks **

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wagnerrp:

according to the -users list, JVA is porting meepo to mythui

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wagnerrp:

hes a themer now!

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kormoc:

whee...

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stiv2k:

hi, can the media library see videos recursively in the directory specified?

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stiv2k:

because i have movies that are inside of other folders

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stiv2k:

and its not showing up in the media library

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wagnerrp:

you can have as many folders deep as the file system will allow

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stiv2k:

oh i see

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stiv2k:

i had to go to the video manager to make it rebuild the movie database

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wagnerrp:

yes, unless you set it to 'browse' mode, that is not done automatically

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wagnerrp:

and 'browse' mode doesnt do it automatically either, it just accesses the file system directly

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wagnerrp:

meaning you get no metadata

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stiv2k:

ah

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stiv2k:

the metadata doesnt seem to be working anyway

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wagnerrp:

furthermore, mythvideo only loads the database once when you go into mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

so if you make changes to the video database on another frontend, or through mythweb

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wagnerrp:

they will not show up until you back out of mythvideo, wait a few seconds, and re-enter it

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stiv2k:

also, how should i treat spaces when specifying the directory for videos? Because my external hard disk has a space in its name, so its /media/WD Passport/ but in a terminal I have to use /media/WD\ Passport/

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wagnerrp:

doesnt matter

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stiv2k:

ok

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wagnerrp:

oh, specifying the directory? i dont know

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wagnerrp:

files within the director, it doesnt matter

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wagnerrp:

im going to say leave the escape character out

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** stiv2k tries it **

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stiv2k:

ah wtf

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stiv2k:

it says no videos found

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wagnerrp:

try escaping the space then

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wagnerrp:

also, mythvideo is not really set up for maintaining lists of removable media

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stiv2k:

well it should work to some degree shouldnt it

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stiv2k:

it still says no videos found

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wagnerrp:

it will find the videos, but if you remove the drive and rescan, it will want to flush all those videos back out of the database

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wagnerrp:

trunk currently doesnt even ask, it just deletes them

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stiv2k:

i see

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stiv2k:

it worked when i mounted the drive under /var/lib/mythtv/videos

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wagnerrp:

it may be that it cannot handle the space

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stiv2k:

but not when i specified the search directory as /var/lib/myhtv/videos;/media/WD Passport/movies

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wagnerrp:

consider renaming the partition

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stiv2k:

it may not be readable by the mytv user

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stiv2k:

mythtv*

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stiv2k:

but I can read it as my own user

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wagnerrp:

also a possibility, but thats very easy to check

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stiv2k:

hmmm

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stiv2k:

perhaps i should make an fstab entry

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wagnerrp:

my experience with automounts through gnome or kde, they are only readable by the user currently logged into gnome/kde

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wagnerrp:

assuming this is a FAT disk that has no internal file permissions

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stiv2k:

wagnerrp: yeah its vfat

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stiv2k:

wagnerrp: so a fstab entry should make it readable for everyone then?

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stiv2k:

what options do i need -o users ?

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wagnerrp:

dont remember off hand

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stiv2k:

yeah me neither

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stiv2k:

i wonder what would happen if i booted the machine when it wasnt plugged in and it was configured to auto mount

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wagnerrp:

mount would fail to run through fstab, system would complain, and you would drop down to single user mode

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wagnerrp:

you can use the 'noauto' option to make it not automatically mount

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wagnerrp:

however it retains all the settings you want

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wagnerrp:

so you can just do a 'mount <dev path>', or 'mount <mount path>' and it will take care of all the settings

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stiv2k:

grr

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stiv2k:

mythtv still cannot see it or something

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stiv2k:

i can see it if i su – mythtv -s /bin/bash

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stiv2k:

but the frontend can't find them

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clever:

strace -e trace=open -f mythfrontend

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clever:

youll see every file the frontend tries to open, and what errors it gets

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stiv2k:

nice

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stiv2k:

clever: too many files to be able to figre out whats going on :(

[07:20:18]

clever:

yeah, but it will settle down when its done loading

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clever:

you can also grep out the general area

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clever:

strace -e trace=open -f mythfrontend 2>&1 | grep -C2 movies

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stiv2k:

i dont understand why its so difficult to read an external disk :(

[07:26:02]

clever:

it functions practicaly identicaly to internal disks

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clever:

once you mount it, theres pretty much no difference to how you access it

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stiv2k:

it refuses to show up in the frontend

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stiv2k:

even when mythtv user can read it

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stiv2k:

why would this be?

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clever:

you need to rescan the video directorys

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stiv2k:

yes i do that by going into the video manager right

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stiv2k:

but it says no videos found

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clever:

try putting the path in without escaping it

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stiv2k:

i tried both ways

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clever:

and maybe just that path and no others

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stiv2k:

hmm ok

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stiv2k:

omg! that worked

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stiv2k:

geez man

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clever:

then its having no trouble viewing the external drive!

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clever:

its just trouble viewing 2 at once

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clever:

what ive basicaly done in my system

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stiv2k:

that whole "you can specify multiple directories with a ;" thing totally threw me off course

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stiv2k:

for a good hour

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clever:

i made a /media/videos/ which mythvideo is aimed at

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clever:

and under there is symlinks to each mount point

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stiv2k:

i see

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stiv2k:

hmm

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stiv2k:

how does it check for metadata? its not able to recognize any of my movies

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clever:

dont know about that part

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stiv2k:

hmm ok

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stiv2k:

but i am glad that it finally sees the movies and i can play them

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stiv2k:

thanks

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clever:

:)

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stiv2k:

isnt there a web browser function for mythtv?

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clever:

its one of the plugins you can compile/install(the same way as mythvideo)

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stiv2k:

hmm i am not sure if mythbuntu installed it or not

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stiv2k:

what is its name?

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justinh:

sigh. well, at least somebody _tried_

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** justinh sets fire to the night shade **

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clever:

stiv2k: i forget, apt-cache search mythtv

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clever:

mythbrowser – A small web browser module for MythTV

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stiv2k:

mythweb too

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clever:

thats the oposite

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clever:

a mythtv interface for remotely access mythtv in a browser

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stiv2k:

oh

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stiv2k:

haha

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stiv2k:

i gotta say, mythtv is awesome. I need to get a tuner for this box asap.

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stiv2k:

i know not all cards play nicely with mythtv... so i hope i buy the right one

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justinh:

stiv2k: so to avoid disappointment it's usually wise to buy tuner(s) which are known to work in linux

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justinh:

it's not a matter of which cards 'play nicely with mythtv' at all. If it works in linux, chances are mythtv will be _just_ _fine_ with it

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justinh:

so first you need to decide what kind of tuner you actually want. Digital, or the increasingly deprecated analogue ;-)

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chickeneater:

I can't seem to get firewire capture/channel changing to work on my linux box, but everything seems to work fine on my macbook with AVC capture

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chickeneater:

any ideas?

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chickeneater:

I'm using the old firewire stack but I've tried juju but couldn't get anything to work either

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chickeneater:

I was very surprised to see it work with my macbook... it was flawless in operation. But I need to get it running on my linux machine

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stonith:

Hi, I'm getting a new house with 3 bedrooms. I'm coming from an apartment that i have a mythtv server that serves as a backend/frontend to the main tv. Now since I have bedrooms, there is only RG6 terminated into the bedrooms. Is there a way I can use RG6 cables? Or should I get CAT5e installed?

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justinh:

RG6 is no good for networking

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justinh:

at least, not in this century

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stonith:

justinh: thanks for the input, I guess I'll have to get the wired networking installed.

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stiv2k:

justinh: i want one that works

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justinh:

stiv2k: obviously!

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stiv2k:

haha

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stiv2k:

i have seen some that are digital and analog, no?

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justinh:

stiv2k: FWIW, no hybrid tuner is worth buying 'because it does both'

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stiv2k:

true

[07:59:22]

justinh:

you can only use one part or the other at any given time anyway

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stiv2k:

justinh: isnt that date coming up in a couple months?

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justinh:

depends where you live

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stiv2k:

justinh: but i have cable... so it should work with analog anyways shouldnt it

[08:00:11]

justinh:

here in the UK, analogue won't be switched off in most places for quite some time

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stiv2k:

they always tell us that if we're a <insert local cable provider name> customer, we dont have to worry about a thing

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justinh:

well, for analogue reception I'd strongly advise you get a hardware encoding analogue tuner – that's to say it won't rely on your CPU (and soundcard) for recording

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stiv2k:

yeah

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justinh:

analogue tuners generally don't capture audio onboard

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stiv2k:

do digital tuners need an encoder?

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justinh:

nope

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stiv2k:

and once the switchover takes place, they will work for years to come?

[08:02:04]

justinh:

they just pull the streams out of the airwaves & onto the bus where myth dumps em onto disk

[08:02:17]

justinh:

so the streams are already mpeg :)

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stiv2k:

i guess its only obvious to buy a digital one then

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stiv2k:

are they expensive

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stiv2k:

:/

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justinh:

as for the 'years to come' part... wait & see ;-)

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stiv2k:

i'm in america so my money is becoming more and more worthless every day

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justinh:

nah they're not expensive. PCI digital TV tuners can cost mere sheckles

[08:03:37]

justinh:

see the wiki at linuxtv.org for ATSC tuner cards.

[08:03:58]

stiv2k:

yeah i was looking at it earlier but i was perplexed by how many differnet kinds there were

[08:04:04]

justinh:

there's also a networked tuner called the HD Homerun which is actually 2 tuners in one box. Myth works with those

[08:04:35]

justinh:

handy if you don't have any PCI slots left... and the amount of PCIe tuners which work in linux doesn't make for a very long list

[08:04:45]

stiv2k:

justinh: i saw these really cheap $20 tuners that were of a no-name brand on e-bay

[08:04:52]

justinh:

_avoid_

[08:04:59]

stiv2k:

figured as much

[08:05:04]

stiv2k:

unsupported?

[08:05:10]

stiv2k:

or just bad quality

[08:05:16]

justinh:

that is, unless you want to play catchy monkey, praying that they're supported etc

[08:05:25]

stiv2k:

they did say what chipset it uses

[08:05:30]

stiv2k:

but i didnt find it on the list on the wiki

[08:05:51]

stiv2k:

nevertheless, it didn't appear to have a hardware encoder

[08:05:57]

justinh:

chances are they're only analogue anyway.. and they'd probably not be hardware encoding types

[08:06:17]

stiv2k:

yeah

[08:06:20]

stiv2k:

thanks for the info

[08:06:26]

** stiv2k is off **

[08:06:34]

justinh:

the mythtv wiki is a great source of info as well btw

[08:06:41]

justinh:

generally

[08:08:47]

Dibblah:

Also a great source of misinformation, if you happen to wander out into the reeds :)

[08:09:30]

Dibblah:

The cheap tuners are just as Justinh said.

[08:10:09]

Dibblah:

Even if you order just one 'to see if it's compatible', then order more a week later, they _likely_ will be different internals.

[08:12:19]

stonith:

Does anyone have the media mvp, how do they like it?

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grokky:

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justinh:

stonith: I considered one for using as an SDTV frontend but the whole thing about them not being able to play anything other than mpeg1 & mpeg2 video put me off

[09:15:24]

justinh:

btw not all cheap tuners from ebay are guff. If you can find one which is being sold as 'Model X from company Y' you can occasionally find a bargain. I got my LR6650 tuners from Ebay for mere sheckles :)

[09:15:36]

justinh:

£15 was the most I paid

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stonith:

justinh: media mvp looks like a nice appliance considering i don't want the hassle of maintaining computer front-ends and LIRC or soemthing like that

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justinh:

if you can live with being restricted to certain playback formats, then fine

[09:18:35]

justinh:

not that a real frontend needs much in the way of maintenance

[09:19:22]

justinh:

apart from configuring a new remote at the weekend I've hardly even touched my nfsrooted frontend's config for more than a year

[09:20:55]

stonith:

justinh: i'm just trying to tackle 3 bedrooms and wondering what is the best way to run this. Any advice?

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justinh:

MVPs would be a load easier than building one box with 3 A/V outputs & 3 instances of lirv that's for sure ;)

[09:22:45]

justinh:

and I think that the media format restriction might not even be relevant anymore – I remember seeing something about on-the-fly transcoding in their windows server so maybe it's possible on the linux side too now

[09:22:48]

stonith:

justinh: I just can't justify building one box that can be cheaper than the MVP

[09:23:06]

Dibblah:

Isn't mythmvp pretty dead?

[09:23:29]

justinh:

personally I wouldn't have a TV in the bedroom, but there's just 2 of us at home

[09:24:30]

justinh:

Dibblah: their domain is

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justinh:

ugh. the last release of mediamvp was in 2007

[09:25:28]

stonith:

sounds like no more future development

[09:25:38]

stonith:

i guess i'll go make my own box

[09:25:57]

justinh:

at a real push you could use xboxes.. original xbox that is

[09:25:58]

stonith:

i just figured the boot times on the MVP are much faster and such

[09:26:19]

justinh:

but if boot time is a concern, don't go with linux on the xbox

[09:26:28]

stonith:

heheh

[09:26:57]

justinh:

2nd hand modded xboxes must be cheap now – but there's no way I'd have one of those noisy fugly things in a bedroom either

[09:27:20]

Dibblah:

So put it in the attic ;)

[09:27:31]

stonith:

are there video cards that have rg6 outputs? hmm... kinda defeats the purpose since I have to run audio also then.

[09:27:38]

justinh:

I've started making my attic habitable

[09:27:45]

stonith:

laff

[09:27:59]

Dibblah:

I want to do that. But there's no way to do the fire regs stuff.

[09:28:13]

justinh:

Dibblah: no, I just mean habitable for $stuff

[09:28:15]

Dibblah:

stonith: Modulator.

[09:28:16]

stonith:

i really want to just turn on the TV and then ... tada mythtv frontend.

[09:28:35]

stonith:

Dibblah: RF modulator right? I saw those... you think it'll actually work?

[09:28:41]

justinh:

modulators & RF remote doodahs...

[09:28:47]

Dibblah:

stonith: With STR, that's what you get.

[09:28:50]

Dibblah:

Suspend to RAM

[09:28:52]

stonith:

yah I've been using my iphone as a remote and its been ok

[09:29:12]

justinh:

some remote extenders can even work over coax :)

[09:29:13]

Dibblah:

However, a modulator is going to give you pretty much the worst image quality possible.

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stonith:

ah thats a boo

[09:29:29]

justinh:

well, it won't be _awful_

[09:29:40]

Dibblah:

Yes, it generally will.

[09:30:09]

Dibblah:

You can't buy _good_ modulators for commodity prices.

[09:30:10]

justinh:

ruh? I've used em in the past & found them to be ok

[09:30:29]

justinh:

that was a £25 Maplin jobby

[09:30:29]

Tanthrix:

Dibblah: If they can't see a renovation from an aerial photo, then it doesn't need permits. ;-)

[09:30:32]

Dibblah:

It all depends on what you're willing to put up with :)

[09:30:51]

justinh:

Tanthrix: and surveyors reports when you come to sell

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Dibblah:

Tanthrix: Until your house burns down.

[09:31:08]

Dibblah:

At which point, your insurance company will not pay out.

[09:31:16]

justinh:

you have to get the local council building inspector involved. ££££

[09:31:51]

Dibblah:

Unlike Italy.

[09:31:56]

Tanthrix:

I suppose it depends heavily on the situation and the extent of the renovation. Some of the permits required nowadays are just insane though...

[09:32:01]

justinh:

I keep meaning to try geexbox to see how nice its upnp client plays with myth

[09:32:04]

stonith:

then i'm in a dilemma with what Dibblah just said. My house is being built right now, and i'm wondering if I should add additional drops to each bedroom for just the frontend, or if I can already use the RG6 that are gonna be there with a RF modulator.

[09:32:15]

Dibblah:

Where apparently you just pay a fee to get retroactive consent. Some call it a 'bribe'...

[09:32:30]

Tanthrix:

stonith: Future proof! Conduit and pull strings.

[09:32:33]

justinh:

Dibblah: oh and you need a Part P approved sparky to run a new ring main in on its own fuse board. And a linked, mains powered smoke alarm

[09:32:39]

Dibblah:

What Tanthrix said.

[09:32:46]

Dibblah:

Not here you don't.

[09:32:51]

justinh:

Dibblah: minimum 10 grand for a loft conversion

[09:33:21]

justinh:

Dibblah: I was led to believe it was UK-wide

[09:33:22]

Dibblah:

The main issue I have is no space for stairs.

[09:33:26]

Dibblah:

Nope.

[09:33:26]

justinh:

ah

[09:33:32]

Dibblah:

No part P in Scotland.

[09:33:39]

justinh:

jammy!

[09:33:43]

Tanthrix:

In any event, never under estimate the ineffiecny of the government. You can get away with quite a bit if you are clever about it. As long as you aren't getting out of permits because you're too lazy to do a job right, then it's OK in my book. ;)

[09:33:44]

Dibblah:

Indeed.

[09:34:33]

justinh:

how the hell did you escape the jobs for the boys legislation? I can get around it because I'm qualified enough to certify myself competent to do the work, then all I need is to get somebody to test it & certificate it :)

[09:35:39]

Dibblah:

Luck of the draw.

[09:35:50]

Dibblah:

We also got Poll Tax first.

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justinh:

folks a few doors down had their loft converted. £9k for a new roof, dormer extension, new beams & the whole build. then £5 for the electrics which failed in the 1st week

[09:36:02]

justinh:

er £5k

[09:36:15]

Tanthrix:

Nice.

[09:36:16]

justinh:

three sparkies vans there for a whole week

[09:36:41]

justinh:

all for 4 10mm cable runs. pfft

[09:36:43]

Dibblah:

The builders that are still in business are desperate for work.

[09:37:01]

justinh:

yeah all this was before the crunchy credits

[09:37:30]

justinh:

and my mortgage lender is still falling over itself to lend me more money

[09:38:08]

Tanthrix:

Friend of mine sent me some pics of a job site he was working on the other day. The best ones were the image of the floor joist cut in two by a plumber for a tub drain, and one of the glulams that supports the central structure of the house with a big label that says "TOP" on the bottom.

[09:38:16]

Dibblah:

Your mortgage isn't at 100% value? What on earth are you thinking?!?!? Free moneyzzzz!

[09:38:28]

Dibblah:

</sarcasm>

[09:38:32]

justinh:

lol

[09:38:56]

Dibblah:

Cutting a joist can be valid.

[09:39:02]

justinh:

last time I looked my house was worth more than 3 times what I have left to pay

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Tanthrix:

Dibblah: Not in any house I'd want to live in.

[09:39:59]

justinh:

not sure what I'm going to do when my fixed rate expires... other than stop kicking myself ;)

[09:40:06]

waxhead_:

anyone got any suggestions for ordinary playback of mkv files?

[09:40:39]

Dibblah:

justinh: In the week before the financial collapse, I renewed my fixed rate.

[09:41:00]

justinh:

still, no point beating yourself up about not being able to see the future

[09:41:18]

Dibblah:

The warning signs were already there.

[09:41:27]

Tanthrix:

waxhead: To what end? Having issues with your system not keeping up?

[09:41:32]

Dibblah:

waxhead_: Get a few less __s ;)

[09:41:32]

justinh:

things were looking very shaky & there was no way to know interest rates weren't going to shoot past 8% like they have in the past

[09:42:09]

waxhead_:

that's the best thing about the financial system.. it's talked up by the same people who bought it down...

[09:42:20]

waxhead_:

Dibblah: really?

[09:42:30]

waxhead_:

isn't mkv the way to go for HD ?

[09:42:45]

waxhead_:

playback is really grainy...

[09:42:55]

justinh:

anyway.. right now my priority is to clean things up a lot & put boards down. the old plaster from the roof has made a very big mess

[09:43:25]

waxhead_:

justinh: doing renovations?

[09:44:23]

Dibblah:

mkv is a container format.

[09:44:53]

Dibblah:

Therefore mkv means _nothing_ (apart from it needs current ffmpeg)

[09:45:03]

Tanthrix:

Ah, here we go: http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/480/imageoua.jpg <--Quality workmanship!

[09:45:46]

justinh:

lol

[09:45:52]

Dibblah:

Well, they're buggered if that's a stressed gluelam.

[09:46:25]

Tanthrix:

My friend found the contractor and said "Well, I am just a lowly E.E., but I've got something to show you..."

[09:46:38]

Tanthrix:

Needless to say, it was ripped out and installed the right way.

[09:46:51]

justinh:

don't go bringing out the photos of electric shower installs where the shower is plugged into a mains socket in the cubicle

[09:47:19]

Tanthrix:

I must say I find the very idea an electric shower to be a bit unnerving. I like my heat source nice and far away from my naked genitals.

[09:47:24]

waxhead_:

Dibblah: right.. of course... just like AVI is a container... I should know that..

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Dibblah:

ISTR most of the issues people have with videos are pretty much resolved in current trunk. Even more with the next ffmpeg resync.

[09:48:19]

waxhead_:

ouch...

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justinh:

most people with mkvs obtained them via some bay or other I suspect

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waxhead_:

big brush justinh...

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Tanthrix:

That's right. Only a terrorist would have a mkv!

[09:49:08]

waxhead_:

blue ray rip and enocde..

[09:49:25]

waxhead_:

encode even...

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waxhead_:

takes hours... go figure.. not sure why I bother mostly...

[09:50:04]

justinh:

ffs. my backend's swap usage just keeps growing

[09:50:22]

Dibblah:

Stop eating all the pies, then.

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waxhead_:

:)

[09:51:06]

waxhead_:

which ffmeg do I install!

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Dibblah:

Oh, goodness.

[09:51:27]

Dibblah:

ffmpeg is myth internal.

[09:51:42]

Dibblah:

You can't just install a system version and hope for Myth to use it.

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waxhead_:

oh.. bummer...

[09:52:15]

waxhead_:

it's installed now... :-/

[09:52:21]

justinh:

jees. nautilus is using over 100M & I don't think I even have anything open

[09:52:39]

waxhead_:

Setting up ffmpeg (3:0.svn20080206–12ubuntu3.1)

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waxhead_:

awsome...

[10:01:56]

waxhead_:

awesome... even

[10:02:20]

waxhead_:

it's worse now... image is a little better, but not it's stuttering... the video that is...

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gxxr:

hi. i'm having the following weirdish problem: when i'm playing movies in mythfrontend that have ac3-audio-tracks, 5.1-audio works fine. if the files have dts-encoding, however, things are messed up. there is sound, and it's some kind of surround, but it'not correct. the biggest indicator of that is that dialogues always come from the front left speaker instead of the center. playing the same files with mplayer works fine. mythfrontend reports the fol

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gxxr:

lowing in the log: "AFD: Opened codec 0xaa0e5860, id(DTS) type(Audio)", "AFD Error: Could not find decoder for codec (Unknown Codec ID), ignoring.", and lots of " NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!". any insightful ideas? i'd appreciate any help since i have no clue about how to debug this.

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justinh:

eew analogue surround :)

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gxxr:

:P

[10:14:11]

justinh:

with a codec error like that I wouldn't expect to hear any audio

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gxxr:

yeah, that's what i thought. but sound is ok, as i said it's even surroundish (moving from one speaker to another if the source moves in the movie), but mythtv seems to think that the front-left speaker is the center-speaker. blah, mythtv makes me waste way too much time ;)

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justinh:

why the hell are Maplin selling HDMI connectors? it's not like it's easy to terminate those buggers

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waxhead_:

ooo... do I want to install libXvMCW

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Dibblah:

It's easy enough to terminate them.

[10:31:59]

Dibblah:

It's just not easy to do it right ;)

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waxhead__:

should I use vlc to view these mkvs?

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justinh:

you should use whatever you like

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gbee:

heh, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7415911.stm

[10:49:29]

gbee:

the bit about the policeman applys to half the conversations I have via the internet

[10:49:34]

gbee:

applies

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waxhead__:

well so far vlc does a better job...

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waxhead__:

just need the right command line...

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gbee:

#vlc

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justinh:

hmm Bill Bailey has a new series "The Remarkable Guide to the Orchestra" coming soon to telly :)

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justinh:

following 'celebs' on Twitter has proved to be a useful heads-up to new series so far

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waxhead__:

better image quality in vlc... but the video isn't smooth...

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jarle:

Is this something that could make sense to any of the mythtv developers: http://pastebin.ca/1376749 ?

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justinh:

lol "just wait til Jaqui Smith's husband fesses up to splashing out on a couple of magazines too"

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justinh:

Oh no. Please God no. Agadoo has been re-released

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ddettman:

as in push pineapple?

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Dibblah:

Could be the birdie song...

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justinh:

yup

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** gbee cries **

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ddettman:

there's the song that'll be stuck in my head all day...

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justinh:

you're welcome :)

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justinh:

just spreading the joy. I've had it in my head since reading it on BBC News' website

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justinh:

as brain worms go, at least it's not Rihanna :P

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Dibblah:

Hey, at least it doesn't induce terminal morosity. Like Blunt and friends.

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gbee:

just vomiting

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justinh:

or Elbow

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justinh:

People spike Radiohead for being depressing but at least they didn't sound quite as whiny ;)

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gbee:

Elbow are whiny?

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justinh:

you have to be to win anything in the NME awards

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justinh:

maybe I have them confuzzled with somebody else Absolute Radio play a lot

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gbee:

if anything the album that brought them to the masses and won them those awards was the least morose, but then I wouldn't exactly have said those earlier albums were downbeat

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justinh:

there's a bunch of stuff out at the minute which sounds like male menstruating

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gbee:

certainly not in comparison to some of the "show-gazing" mumbling rubbish that is out there

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justinh:

with guitar backing :)

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justinh:

like Coldplay on downers

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gbee:

s/show/shoe/

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gbee:

given up listening to the radio, in particular Absolute – despite their 'no-repeat', they have an immensely small playlist – good luck hearing anything that isn't promoted by the big four

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gbee:

and their relunctance to leave the 80s behind :/ It was undestandable in the 90s, but here we are, within reach of the 11s and they are still devoting much of their time to it

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gbee:

probably has much to do with the DJs reaching their mid-life crisis age ...

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justinh:

possibly more to do with the audience ;)

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gbee:

heh, no objection to them playing a variety which includes stuff from the 80s, but I really don't know how anyone can listen to the same stuff a few hundred times and still enjoy it

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justinh:

thankfully I don't have to listen to them all day every day

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gbee:

doesn't help that I think the 80s was musically quite poor compared to what came before and after that decade – or at least Absolute's idea of what 80s music was anyway

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gbee:

then again, I'll be on the other side when someone makes the same complaint about the 90s in another ten years

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justinh:

started listening to 6 Music a lot more these days. They tend to play the nu-indie whiny stuff too though

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justinh:

hmm interesting. http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.204-1881.aspx are 2.99 instore. easily hacked to be run from a computer. 16 channel too

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gbee:

6 music and Absolute were probably the two which I listened to most ... at least for a period

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Dibblah:

Very funky, justinh

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gbee:

but I've never been what you'd call loyal to any station, I'll keep tuning until I find something I like

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** Dibblah detects an ebay opportunity ;) **

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** Dibblah tends to just listen to di.fm :) **

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justinh:

Huey from The Fun Loving Criminals has a show on 6 Music. Caught a lot of it yesterday & found myself not flipping at all for the duration of the car journey

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justinh:

Dibblah: you'd have to sell a lot to make much money

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justinh:

I'm still waiting for feedback on the last thing I sold on there

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gbee:

lately I've just been downloading a bunch of new stuff each month and devising my own playlists – more variety, only stuff I like etc – who needs radio?

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Dibblah:

justinh: Heh. Battery Type Required 12v 23A

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justinh:

oops. £2.44 instore not £2.99

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justinh:

wonder what those things suck when they're not switched on

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gbee:

justinh: so does Guy Garvey from Elbow (have a show on 6 Music)

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

I _think_ it's Elbow I've associated with a Radiohead on downers sound, I could be wrong. I mean I'm way out of touch :P

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justinh:

Dibblah: so the batteries sell for £silly on ebay? (!)

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justinh:

nope.. heheheh

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Dibblah:

justinh: I meant that a 12v 23A(h) battery isn't exactly portable ;)

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Dibblah:

Source, if you don't mind me asking?

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justinh:

hotukdeals.com

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justinh:

some cracking bargains to be had

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Dibblah:

You mean sainsburys?

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justinh:

nope. tesco

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Dibblah:

Ah, right :)

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justinh:

http://hotukdeals.com/item/368811/tesco-energ . . . te-control-/

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justinh:

hmm now I'm wondering why my laptop might be limited to 2GB RAM

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Dibblah:

i945?

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Dibblah:

As in is it the Intel 945 or similar chipset?

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justinh:

you know.. I dunno

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justinh:

i965 allegedly

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justinh:

manual says it's limited to 2GB

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Dibblah:

Because it is.

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Dibblah:

It works up to 3Gb, depending on the wiring of the slots.

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Dibblah:

And the BIOS.

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justinh:

3GB is better than 2 :)

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Dibblah:

But you're very much on your own there – It's not a supported option on the chipset, ISTR.

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justinh:

ah but then maybe what I've seen on the interwebs is models with a different chipset to mine

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justinh:

hmm crucial say 2GB, and I'd believe them

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janneg:

intel GM965 supports happily 4G

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j-rod:

janneg: hey, new intel driver resolve the tearing issues for you?

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j-rod:

seems to be an improvement here

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j-rod:

used to get really noticeable tearing about 20% of the way from the top, not seeing that anymore

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j-rod:

I do get an occasional rolling tear from bottom to top I hadn't noticed before though

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justinh:

ah there's a BIOS update to support extra RAM

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janneg:

j-rod: I haven't noticed tearing with 2.7-rc2 but I don't use the notebook much for video playback

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justinh:

hmm to get around the silly telly not having discrete codes for its AV inputs I might just switch everything through my AV amp. if the cable box can output svideo that is

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shadn_:

anybody good with sql? I'm just wondering if there's ever a situation where it's viable to create 50000 tables at once?

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meshe|mobile:

I would do that in bash

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shadn_:

It's being done in an sql script

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shadn_:

but it appears to be using up a large about of resources

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shadn_:

which throw off software replication of the database from a source to a destination

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meshe|mobile:

What database?

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shadn_:

MsSQL

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shadn_:

but it doesn't really matter

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meshe|mobile:

No idea about that server

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shadn_:

this is more of a question of is creating 50000 tables sane

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meshe|mobile:

Each table is it's own statement so I don't think that there's a way to do it more efficient than a list or loop

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shadn_:

yea technically that makes sense

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meshe|mobile:

Why 50000 tables?

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clever:

few screws loose?

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sid3windr:

because 1 table per 100 eur the software costs!

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shadn_:

I'm wondering if the customer is having an actual problem or are just trying to break the replication

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meshe|mobile:

You couldn't even create 30000 tables on mysql on ext3

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shadn_:

interesting

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meshe|mobile:

Actually you could the problem would be 30000 databases

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sid3windr:

why is that?

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meshe|mobile:

Max number of folders/links in a single folder

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meshe|mobile:

Mysql creates a folder per database

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shadn_:

which effects the journal and replication watches the filesystem journal

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shadn_:

hmmm...

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meshe|mobile:

Not in mysql replication

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shadn_:

to me 50000 tables just seems like a bogus number of tables to create. I don't see a reason for it.

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meshe|mobile:

It does statement replication

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meshe|mobile:

I don't see a reason for it either

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shadn_:

3rd party replication

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shadn_:

thank you meshe

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meshe|mobile:

Horrible database design

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sid3windr:

I just created 30K dirs without problem, meshe|mobile

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sid3windr:

ah

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sid3windr:

it's indeed 32k limited

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sid3windr:

:/

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meshe|mobile_:

I wouldn't be suprised if mssql had some kind of filesystem limit it's hitting with that many tables

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meshe|mobile_:

I created 200,000 files in win 2k and crashed

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meshe|mobile_:

We wrong chan sorry

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meshe|mobile_:

We maybe not

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meshe|mobile_:

LOL more coffee

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JEDIDIAH__:

50k tables does seem highly bogus.

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JEDIDIAH__:

250 is starting to push it.

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sid3windr:

agreed :)

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MilkBoy:

mmmm.. certain CRM and ERP systems use literally hundreds of tables, I've seen like 5000 tables + 20k views at best =)

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sid3windr:

20000 views?!

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sid3windr:

wtf.

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MilkBoy:

yea.. that was my thought also.. apparently it's better to programmatically create a new view instead of having to write a nice "where" clause

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MilkBoy:

.. that could be reused

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MilkBoy:

Keys and constraints are also completely overrated. Better use 1000+ lines of uncommented triggers...

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oobe:

i have a recording that i exported using nuvexport to xvid then i noticed i missed a commercial break i no longer have original recording what is the best program to edit out the commercial break i missed ffmpeg or mencoder avidemux?

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justinh:

you'd have to losslessly cut the xvid. oops

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justinh:

that is, if you don't want to (lossily) recode the whole show. hahaha

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sid3windr:

virtual dub with direct stream copy?

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oobe:

justinh, can i do that with mencoder

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justinh:

I dunno. I have no interest in transcoding anymore

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oobe:

yeah fair enough

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justinh:

GETMOARDISK and KEEPL355

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oobe:

do you edit out your commercials using lossless or dont bother with that either just curious

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justinh:

there's not much I keep

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justinh:

well, *I* keep nothing

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justinh:

my wife won't let me delete her precious 'bad girls' episodes. I cut the ads out & used 'lossless' on them

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justinh:

they'll just vanish one day. (whoops!)

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dapper-daniel:

hej! I need some help with bdremote, the app for sonys ps3 bluetooth remote

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dapper-daniel:

I try to get it running on ubuntu 8.10

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dapper-daniel:

because bluetooth in ubuntu seems to be broken somehow I installed all the bluetooth stuff from debian

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dapper-daniel:

now I can pair my remote, but irw just doesnt show anything

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oobe:

is that the british prison bad girls?

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justinh:

yes :-\

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oobe:

i was curious about that show its not on here

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justinh:

thank god her taste in men is better than her taste in telly programmes :D

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oobe:

i got some eps from somewhere i havent watched em yet

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gbee:

yeeaahh

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oobe:

i edit out the ads on things before i watch them

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justinh:

she watched Horne & Corden last night. having piles is funnier

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oobe:

and i have a large list of unwatched recordings

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gbee:

not sure I see the point of editing something before watching, unless I plan to keep it afterwards

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oobe:

saves space

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justinh:

oobe: thankfully the majority of breaks in everything we record from commercial channels is exactly 4 mins long :)

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gbee:

currently I'm only keeping some films and any HD BBC nature doc

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justinh:

oobe: not recording 2ndary audio & subtitle streams would save more space

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oobe:

where do you specify that

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justinh:

you don't

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oobe:

so it depends on broadcaster

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gbee:

what he means is that we could do it, but there is no option for it yet (just one to strip data streams – MHEG etc)

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justinh:

maybe. I looked at the code & I could probably make it filter subtitles & AD streams out but I could argue that a) nobody wants a dork like me futzing with recorder code and b) do we really want yet more settings?

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gbee:

justinh: setting already exists, would just need an additional option

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justinh:

I just realised that

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justinh:

anyway, a) still stands :)

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justinh:

mucking about with inconsequential code is one thing..

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oobe:

from what i can see if i watch livetv i have the option of changing audo track but my recordings dont most likely cause they are transcoded

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gbee:

aww, it's not even April yet and I've already used up my April downloads allowance :(

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justinh:

gbee: VM being evil?

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oobe:

gbee where are you from

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gbee:

justinh: nah, emusic

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justinh:

ah

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gbee:

guess I could consider a higher subscription, but it probably wouldn't take effect until May

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AndyCap:

gbee: heh, and emusic got evil with their booster packs, now they expire after a little while. :(

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justinh:

what bitrate is their stuff?

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gbee:

yeah and price isn't great when compared to the subscription, but I might still consider a small booster

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gbee:

VBR with 192Kb/s average

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justinh:

not bad then

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gbee:

but indie-only, so not for everyone

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justinh:

hey I like hearing new music

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AndyCap:

nah, they've got a very good selecction for norway.

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gbee:

oh the selection is great and features a good number of well known artists for the UK, but it's still worth mentioning up front that you won't find Coldplay there ;)

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justinh:

oo they do 'darnes' music too

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gbee:

their forum gets a "Emusic sucks, they have no music" post at least once a day from somebody who is expecting Britney Spears, Madonna etc

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justinh:

meh

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justinh:

no madonna.. that'd be a bonus

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justinh:

actually I think beatportal might be more up my street

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BrandenCarter:

Hows it going guys, was wondering if anyone could help me with resolving dependency issues with installing the Mythtv-suite on FC10

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BrandenCarter:

I get a Transaction Check Error: file /usr/lib/libfaad.so.0.0.0 from install of faad2–2.5–7.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from packages libfadd0–1:2.6.1–13.fc10.i386

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Are you out there making friends and influencing people on the list again? ;)

[15:15:35]

sphery:

iamlindoro: heh, yeah...

[15:15:42]

sphery:

not the way the book suggests, though

[15:15:51]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Truth be told, I was waiting for your response to that BS message

[15:16:25]

sphery:

yeah, I'm just wondering if my wording in that page is not clear...

[15:16:46]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Dat . . . ter_encoding

[15:17:31]

iamlindoro:

Clear enough for the last guy to fix it

[15:17:57]

justinh:

should be able to stop certain people editing certain pages

[15:18:06]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, some people are absolutely bamboozled when you explain how things work to them, instead of just the steps to do what they want

[15:18:25]

iamlindoro:

I've taken to reading the recent changes once a day and reverting the harmful edits

[15:18:43]

justinh:

oops. maybe stopping somebody editing just one page isn't enough.. they could take it out on other pages

[15:19:18]

sphery:

I guess that specific section didn't say it only applied to 0.21-fixes and below, so I added that to the heading for those who only read that section.

[15:19:50]

iamlindoro:

Once a page is correct, all you can do is hammer it down to make it make sense to more idiots

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I've found that the best way to other people from editing my pages is to write information about something that people don't care about.

[15:20:35]

sphery:

s/way to/way to stop/

[15:20:52]

iamlindoro:

sphery: regrettably that tends to coincide with information I don't care about either :) What can I say, I'm an average Joe ;)

[15:21:24]

iamlindoro:

Not that your pages aren't actually interesting to me

[15:21:54]

sphery:

Yeah... Actually, it's information I really don't care about (because I actually configured my system properly). Unfortunately, to prove to people that Myth wasn't broken, I had to learn way more than desired about it. :)

[15:23:08]

iamlindoro:

So I think I'll be leaving my first ever negative eBay feedback

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iamlindoro:

Bought a sony 200-DVD firewire burner/changer. Doesn't ship for 7 days. Arrives on day 12. Smashed to pieces. they generate a return label. Arrives back at them on day 17. I query them on day 18. They say the replacement unit is "in testing." Ships Day 21. Will arrive day 26.

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iamlindoro:

When I asked them why it didn't ship quicker the first time, they said it "was undergoing testing" even though the listing reads "100% tested and working!"

[15:25:19]

sphery:

heh...

[15:26:16]

iamlindoro:

Sorry, but when you sell an item as working, delaying shipping by a week, *twice*, is pretty obnoxious.

[15:26:20]

sphery:

I had to create my 3rd account on ebay (because I've used it 3 times since 1996, and I keep losing the password/getting new phone numbers, so I can't get the old one back). I've never gotten feedback (positive or negative) on any of the purchases I've made.

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meshe:

that sounds like a sweet device, what did you get it for?

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iamlindoro:

Especially as they knew my return was en route-- if there was testing to be done, Why the eff not do it while the return is on the way?

[15:26:53]

sphery:

iamlindoro: though shouldn't you be buying a 200-BD firewire burner/changer? :)

[15:26:57]

iamlindoro:

meshe: $159. GreyFoxx is adding MythVideo support for it, too

[15:27:05]

meshe:

that is sweet

[15:27:08]

iamlindoro:

sphery: I may convince myself to "modfy" it :)

[15:27:12]

iamlindoro:

er modify

[15:27:16]

sphery:

is that possible?

[15:27:19]

sphery:

if so...

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Won't know until I try...

[15:27:31]

iamlindoro:

Have a spare BD-ROM

[15:27:41]

sphery:

heh, for $159 it's not that big a risk

[15:27:42]

iamlindoro:

will have to take a look-see

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meshe:

BD-DL x 200 discs... hmmm

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sphery:

(compared to what someone would charge for one that was built to do BD--which would probably be several thousand, if writable)

[15:28:26]

sphery:

just because you /could/ charge that.

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iamlindoro:

I really don't care for disk loading and unloading, though, so for now I just intend to use it as a batch ripper

[15:28:55]

meshe:

will it do dual layer discs?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Sony_VGP-XL1B

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iamlindoro:

4x on DLs

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meshe:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9772704-1.html

[15:30:03]

iamlindoro:

and yeah, you could theoretically load in 200 blanks and do a batch write

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iamlindoro:

meshe: Yeah, that's the stereo component, this one only has firewire out, it's meant as a computer peripheral

[15:31:39]

iamlindoro:

s/stereo/home theatre (non-PC)/

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** meshe nods **

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meshe:

with the price of hard drives, it's hard to not think of them as "store on the shelf" archives

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iamlindoro:

The drive model that it purports to contain matches up to a plain-ol' tray-loader, so I'm curious to see the guts and see what's up

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meshe:

that's a pretty nice device iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

meshe: Yeah, Greyfoxx and jams each have a couple and seem to really like them, I have high hopes :)

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android60:

im looking into building a NAS and a mythtv backend only machine, what processor range would be able to handle this without overkill

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thbishop:

anyone else following Steven Toth's 2250 work?

[15:37:31]

meshe:

i'm curious if you can chain them

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sphery:

think GF is chaining them

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iamlindoro:

meshe: They can be chained, but you still see them as discrete devices of course

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jams:

yes you can chaing them. up to 16

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jams:

least i think 16 is the number

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meshe:

sweet

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meshe:

my parent's sony 300 disc changer allowed chaining

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meshe:

Although the VGP-XL1B changer is equipped with two Firewire 400 interface jacks (its only i/o ports), the manual advises not to plug anything into the second jack except another changer (daisy-chaining up to five in all

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** meshe notes that that is an amazon comment **

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meshe:

ahh, the sony docs confirm, it's 5

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iamlindoro:

Still, at the 1000 DVD Mark you're doing okay :)

[15:43:56]

meshe:

agreed, esepeically with 9G DL

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iamlindoro:

and if you've got 1000 DVDs and 5 changers, then you can probably afford a second computer to run the next 1000 :)

[15:44:19]

iamlindoro:

or just a second firewire card ;)

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meshe:

heh

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iamlindoro:

/port

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meshe:

was just going to say second firewire port :)

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jams:

iamlindoro- was taking pictures for you, but the camera just shut off because "the battery is exhausted"

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iamlindoro:

jams: Best let it sleep then :)

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iamlindoro:

pictures of the Sony?

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jams:

yes

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jams:

with the top off

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iamlindoro:

jams: I've already seen it in person, I just got the, erm... exploded view ;)

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iamlindoro:

ahhhh

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iamlindoro:

nice, so what's the mechanism, then>?

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jams:

it's not a tray drive

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iamlindoro:

hrm

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jams:

alright, so now i have to plug it in to see it in action

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meshe:

i wrote an addition to mythweb yesterday, it allows you to "pop out" the flash player into a window the size of the flash player

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iamlindoro:

meshe: But... trunk already has that!

[15:57:47]

meshe:

this was in trunk

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sphery:

hmmm... thread on -users called, "Theme Stuff"... Probably some user complaining about how the themes in trunk "don't work" or "look awful."

[15:58:02]

meshe:

i didn't see it there already

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iamlindoro:

meshe: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/20246/tr . . . gins/mythweb

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Yeah, that guy is a jerk anyway

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sphery:

yeah...

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meshe:

heh, he beat me to it by 6 days

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Of course it wouldn't be an authentic -users thread if JYA didn't jump in and promote himself for making some minor modification to someone else's work

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sphery:

iamlindoro: heh, there's the motivation I need to read that thread.

[16:03:14]

sphery:

I hadn't read it, yet, but I didn't delete it without reading because I recognized the sender's name...

[16:03:42]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Keep hoping people will see what's possible with MythUI and decide to get something done before .22... but instead we have folks porting old themes and starting new themes for .21, sigh

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jams:

iamlindoro- i guess it is a tray drive of sorts, just heavily modified

[16:04:47]

iamlindoro:

jams: interesting

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, and I think the porting is the worst thing that could happen

[16:05:48]

sphery:

I would love to see what justinh seemed to be proposing... cleaning out all the legacy themes and starting from scratch

[16:05:49]

iamlindoro:

sphery: I guess the port wouldn't be too bothersome if they simultaneously get dropped from trunk

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iamlindoro:

yep

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jams:

I would say 3/4 of the "tray" is missing. It's just enough to pull in the disk

[16:07:47]

sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, the old ones are wasting a lot of a certain somebody's time

[16:08:11]

iamlindoro:

sphery: If someone wants to appropriate them and maintain them outside the myth codebase, more power to 'em

[16:08:27]

iamlindoro:

but IMO myth should get 3–4 core new MythUI themes and start anew

[16:08:53]

sphery:

not so much in making the defautls, but in all the "other stuff" involved in the port (complaints, people thinking the old themes are good examples of design for mythui, ...)

[16:09:08]

sphery:

i.e. we'd need the defaults

[16:09:53]

sphery:

heh, nightshade-wide... Shouldn't that have pictures of tomatoes and peppers all over it?

[16:12:02]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I love that your theme is called Graphite and that Myth won't be confused by the fact that it's a wide theme, but that users will... :)

[16:13:18]

gbee:

and potatoes, and bottles of poison

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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gbee:

iirc Nicotiana is the same family too

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Yeah, I considered mentioning that, not sure why I didn't... Guess I've been burned so many times by the users list when trying to straighten out people's understanding that I seldom do it any more

[16:15:20]

sphery:

if it's deadly-nightshade-wide, it could have belladonna and dead werewolves on it, too...

[16:15:51]

sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, no need for you to mention it... It's a great way to teach them that their old assumptions no longer apply

[16:16:28]

iamlindoro:

Truthfully the dir on my system is still graphite-wide, but that's only because every time I think to change it I don't because I don't want to disrupt all the cached fanart

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sphery:

Of course, I'm still trying to teach people how the old assumptions about NEXTINPUT no longer apply (as it was changed in post-0.20 trunk)

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iamlindoro:

even though I've wrecked the cache like ten times teaching JYA how to theme, sigh

[16:18:12]

iamlindoro:

Now we're going to have him changing the names and syntax as necessary and thinking he's a themer, sigh

[16:18:29]

iamlindoro:

His "work" shares a common thread of inability to create anything new

[16:18:33]

sphery:

gbee: you're right about Nicotania... (Which I had to look up to find out it's the tobacco plant--which now seems really appropriate.)

[16:19:10]

** gbee enjoys gardening ;) **

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meshe:

iamlindoro: a lot of new programmers start out that way, some actually get to the point where they can write code from scratch

[16:20:16]

iamlindoro:

meshe: It's not the programming I take issue with as much as it is the representing it as his own

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jams:

meshe- it's less about the work, but the attitude and how it's presented.

[16:20:40]

meshe:

i know, i've seen the threads :S

[16:20:42]

jams:

which iamlindoro more or less just said

[16:20:44]

iamlindoro:

:)

[16:20:55]

iamlindoro:

I think he's addicted to the adulation

[16:21:11]

meshe:

i looks like it

[16:21:52]

meshe:

is there a way to get on the commits mailing list?

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iamlindoro:

It would not surprise me in the least if this becomes a cycle

[16:22:22]

iamlindoro:

ie .22 comes out, then the next great feature is added to trunk, and we see yet another JYA repos

[16:22:53]

meshe:

nvm, i found it

[16:22:57]

** sphery just learned the name (versus nick) of the guy who wrote ttvdb grabber script **

[16:23:23]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I'm thinking he'll burn out very quickly if he tries

[16:23:36]

iamlindoro:

sphery: I dunno, praise is addictive

[16:23:41]

meshe:

i just learned the name (versus nick) of iamlindoro on saturday

[16:23:45]

iamlindoro:

heh

[16:23:59]

sphery:

His candle burned out long before the Myth ever did...

[16:24:01]

gbee:

still not sure what my name is

[16:24:11]

meshe:

actually, the same day that you guys probably learned mine

[16:24:18]

sphery:

it's "Busy gbee"

[16:24:37]

iamlindoro:

meshe: haha, that's true

[16:24:50]

sphery:

meshe: I'll have to read Saturday's log to find out...

[16:24:59]

iamlindoro:

sphery: read commits

[16:25:03]

sphery:

stupid life got in the way of finding that out

[16:25:06]

meshe:

sphery: ticket 6401

[16:25:19]

sphery:

iamlindoro: hmmm... read that but didn't notice name.

[16:25:32]

iamlindoro:

would need to be in-channel to make the connection anyway

[16:25:43]

sphery:

heh... Now I know.

[16:25:47]

meshe:

true

[16:25:55]

sphery:

yeah... it now makes sense.

[16:25:56]

meshe:

i didn't attach my nick to the ticket

[16:25:58]

gbee:

sphery: something familiar about tvdb guy, but should I know him?

[16:26:05]

iamlindoro:

gbee: RDV_Linux

[16:26:24]

iamlindoro:

plus his name is on the ticket so you've seen it on commits

[16:26:34]

sphery:

gbee: + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/377111#377111

[16:27:57]

gbee:

hmm, can't place it, but I feel like I've seen the name elsewhere

[16:28:32]

dashs:

URL for discussion of motion compensation for NVIDIA?

[16:28:55]

sphery:

iamlindoro: did you try/look at YL's updated (-fixes) patch for http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6396 to see if things just changed that much in trunk?

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iamlindoro:

sphery: I didn't, but as it was a throwaway patch anyway, I don't care if mine gets thrown out, just wanted to point whomever in the right direction

[16:30:04]

iamlindoro:

dashs: Motion Compensation, or full hardware offload? For just MC, XvMC in the wiki. For full offload, VDPAU in the wiki.

[16:30:10]

sphery:

yeah, just was /very/ different, so I wondered...

[16:30:31]

sphery:

gbee: first result from Google says: http://dougvaughan.net/

[16:30:41]

sphery:

don't know if that's our guy, though

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iamlindoro:

sphery: fixed

[16:35:30]

iamlindoro:

Because of the MythUI port it's in a different place, but YL's fix is the correct one

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gbee:

damn, you've got me reading the -user list and I'm barred from doing that!

[16:35:58]

sphery:

So, it sounds like there are multiple things causing the "long delays with keyboard/remote button presses"... Originally, it was just people running on systems with gnome-screensaver installed, then they got vocal and others chimed in who had problems with video driver configuration (lack of UseEvents) or who had configured Playback Profiles their systems are too under-powered to use...

[16:36:12]

sphery:

And, the /only/ one that had anything to do with Myth was the gnome-screensaver thing.

[16:36:32]

sphery:

gbee: at least I didn't tinyurl it so that you wouldn't /know/ what you're getting into

[16:37:25]

gbee:

you're right, I've only myself to blame

[16:40:08]

gbee:

no screenshots of nightshade?

[16:40:45]

RDV_Linux:

gbee: I am Canadian and lived my whole life in Toronto. Do you know me from there?

[16:41:25]

GreyFoxx:

Ack, not another bloody Canadian

[16:41:30]

GreyFoxx:

jk ;)

[16:41:47]

sphery:

iamlindoro: thanks... if it saves the committer a few minutes, maybe they'll look at applying one of my easy patches (i.e. to the restore script in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5975 and http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6013 or to the time zone stuff in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5872 and http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5896 :)

[16:41:48]

GreyFoxx:

We need more Canucks up in here :)

[16:42:13]

RDV_Linux:

GreyFoxx: That sounds like a east coast comment. Am I close?

[16:42:39]

** genii goes out of his office and grabs a Timmy's coffee **

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meshe:

<---- Canuck

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gbee:

RDV_Linux: no, English, never been to Canada :) Maybe just confusing the name with another – same initials etc

[16:42:49]

genii:

<-- Canuck

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GreyFoxx:

RDV_Linux: Halifax, NS :)

[16:43:24]

meshe:

about as far as you can get from gbee and still be in canada's mainland

[16:43:31]

RDV_Linux:

I cheated I read some your comments so knew where you were from.

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gbee:

I've family in Canada – or had, we're talking about my great grandmother, her brothers and sisters – long ago lost touch :)

[16:44:35]

meshe:

er GreyFoxx

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gbee:

Windsor, Quebec fwiw

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** GreyFoxx cries about clouds blocking his view of the skies almost all week :( **

[16:45:36]

gbee:

err. Ontario

[16:45:39]

** GreyFoxx wants to take his scope out to play **

[16:45:46]

iamlindoro:

I'm in .ca too

[16:45:50]

iamlindoro:

.ca.us

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gbee:

not quebec, minds running slow today

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meshe:

lol

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dashs:

iamlindoro: is full hdw offload coming to a theatre near my nvidia 8400?

[16:48:04]

iamlindoro:

8400 is capable of VDPAU, yes

[16:48:43]

dashs:

iamlindoro: i need to uplevel to trunk drivers?

[16:49:20]

iamlindoro:

Yes, it's only in trunk, but do not upgrade to trunk just for that, as you will be very unhappy with the result

[16:49:32]

dashs:

ehh.

[16:50:20]

dashs:

mebbe i'm making some bad assumptions. I have jerky live tv and mpeg3video errs in mythfrontend.log.

[16:50:21]

gbee:

just to be a pendant, it's not 'full' hardware offload – video decoding and rendering are offloaded to the GPU, audio decode and a other tasks are still done by the CPU

[16:50:40]

dashs:

or pdeant.

[16:50:45]

dashs:

or pedant

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gbee:

meh

[16:51:10]

dashs:

just being a jerk

[16:51:12]

gbee:

I can't be a pendant now? Free to dangle in my own home?

[16:51:31]

dashs:

hang loose

[16:52:01]

** gbee hates Mondays **

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dashs:

Monday is detox day.

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dashs:

oops that would be mpeg2video errs. tis Monday.

[16:54:47]

gbee:

only screenshot of nightshade seems to be a tiny, tiny thumbnail ... looks black/green ... err, so nothing like mine then: http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/filmstrip_browser.png

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gbee:

dashs: HD or SD? What CPU?

[16:56:03]

gbee:

hmm, lots of mpeg2video errors would indicate a bad signal quality

[16:56:11]

dashs:

gbee: HD mostly, but SD not perfect. comcast firewire source (200mbit) 2.8Ghz Dell

[16:56:30]

dashs:

Intel P4

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dashs:

firewire is shakey at best.

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Ymse:

I'm very newbee to Linux.....can I please bother you guys???

[16:57:18]

dougl:

Ymse, just ask = no bother

[16:58:16]

Ymse:

I can't get Mythbuntu to boot from the Harddrive it was supposed to be installed on.....

[16:58:50]

Ymse:

I have tried to download a rescuedisc, but since I have to boot from the CD. There is not enough room for the iso file.....

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Ymse:

In mozilla I have tried to change the download folder in "dev-disk-by-id" but the harddrive is shades writing, so I can't choose is....

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RDV_Linux:

sphery: By the way I do not look anything like that dougvaughan on Google, Thanks god;-)

[17:02:22]

iamlindoro:

Ymse: As that's more generic linux than MythTV, you might have better luck in #ubuntu-mythtv or #ubuntu

[17:03:28]

Ymse:

Yeah I guess so.............I'll try #ubuntu.....but don't worry I will be back to worry you soon enough

[17:04:33]

iamlindoro:

You can worry #ubuntu-mythtv ;)

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iamlindoro:

They handle mythbuntu support

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dashs:

Can blame it on comcast firewire: ABC HD is almost flawless live, whereas other channels all suck in varying degrees.

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sphery:

RDV_Linux: yeah, I was pretty sure that's not you as the domain name was all wrong. :)

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android60:

for anyone that has a backend only system streaming hd, what processor do you have?

[17:22:19]

gbee:

android60: doesn't matter, could be a crappy Via Epia, recording takes almost no CPU, scheduling takes a little but not so you'd really notice, streaming takes nothing

[17:22:48]

android60:

so i can pretty much use the cheapest CPU i can find and i would be fine?

[17:23:29]

android60:

and just so i get this straight, i dont really need any graphics power on the backend since the decoding is done on each frontend?

[17:23:41]

sphery:

note that commercial flagging and transcoding are done on the backend, though, so though you don't /need/ much, you should probably have something at least new to this millenium

[17:23:43]

gbee:

correct

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android60:

so just some onboard graphics from a recent motherboard should be fine?

[17:24:14]

gbee:

assuming you want or need to do either of those

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sphery:

if it's only a backend, graphics need not be used (neither of my backends run X--though backends /must/ have X installed)

[17:25:10]

android60:

ya ok thats what i figured

[17:25:35]

sphery:

but, yeah, if it's a recent (within a year or two) motherboard, it's likely to be an overpowered system--which is /much/ better than underpowered

[17:25:46]

android60:

ok

[17:25:49]

gbee:

onboard graphics on most recent boards (Nvidia/Ati) would even be overkill – but handy should you ever decide to turn the machine into a frontend

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android60:

im trying to go with a low power consumption machine for the backend and double as a NAS

[17:26:07]

sphery:

if, however, it was a phone running android, that's a whole other story :)

[17:26:19]

gbee:

both my frontends use onboard graphics (both HD) :)

[17:26:58]

sphery:

yeah, for low power, go with recent low-TDP processors /and/ an 80 PLUS PSU...

[17:27:01]

** sphery is quite the fan **

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sphery:

android60: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/371460#371460

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sphery:

makes a big difference

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android60:

ok thanks

[17:29:39]

gbee:

hmm, annoying bug in mythmusic's edit metadata, won't let you change the case of an artist (and probably other fields) because the matching is case insensitive so it thinks the field hasn't changed

[17:29:45]

android60:

and i assume i wont need much ram either?

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android60:

like 1GB stick would be ok?

[17:30:20]

meshe:

gbee: that's probably at the mysql level, by default mysql is case insensitive

[17:30:25]

gbee:

512Mb should be sufficient for a backend, but RAM is cheap so 1Gb will give you plenty of breathing room

[17:30:25]

kormoc:

Ram is cheap, I'd go with 2gb at least

[17:30:46]

kormoc:

of course, I love having mysql eat ram for breakfast, lunch, and dinner

[17:30:46]

gbee:

meshe: aye, that's my guess too

[17:31:22]

gbee:

kormoc: my primary fe/be lives with under 1Gb (128Mb is taken by the onboard GPU)

[17:31:25]

meshe:

(and i wouldn't suggest changing that default for mythtv)

[17:31:28]

meshe:

er

[17:31:30]

meshe:

maybe

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meshe:

i think it's table or database level

[17:31:56]

gbee:

but really I should stick another 1Gb in there, even I have to acknowledge that I'm pushing it a little

[17:32:22]

meshe:

eh, it's column level

[17:32:35]

meshe:

my be/fe run 1GB fine, single tuner though

[17:32:38]

gbee:

meshe: changing the case sensitivity would break a lot of things that rely on it, so I'm not about to change it there :)

[17:32:52]

android60:

ok thanks for all the help guys

[17:33:24]

gbee:

fix should be simple, just need to find the motivation

[17:33:32]

meshe:

my parents dual tuner fe/be run with 3/4G

[17:34:52]

Ymse:

what is the root password when you run live CD???

[17:35:04]

meshe:

nothing

[17:35:12]

kormoc:

Depends on the live cd

[17:35:23]

kormoc:

Gentoo's is randomized

[17:35:26]

meshe:

if it's the mythbuntu livecd then just su -

[17:35:31]

meshe:

er sudo -s

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Ymse:

thanx ;) Little bit rusty here....last time I was updated on computers win 3.11 was hot.....

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** kormoc waits for Ymse to find out that monitors can go beyond 320x240 now-a-days, and there is this new fangled internet thing... **

[17:37:44]

meshe:

don't tell the ubuntu chan that i told you how to get a root shell, already got in trouble for that

[17:37:45]

iamlindoro:

Make sure to install your winsock.dll, though

[17:38:05]

Ymse:

Holy crap........this VGA shit is way better than old EGA............

[17:38:06]

kormoc:

meshe, seriously?

[17:38:19]

meshe:

oh yeah, they "don't support people mucking around as root"

[17:38:27]

** kormoc blinks **

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stiv2k:

hi

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sphery:

meshe: sudo -i is often better (as it sets the environment as appropriate for root)

[17:38:32]

meshe:

sudo only

[17:38:38]

Ymse:

well.....still can't find the bloody harddrive under the /dev dir..............

[17:38:39]

kormoc:

I wish Ubuntu would curl up into a ball and go /dev/null itself

[17:38:42]

sphery:

but, like you, I didn't say anything about root shells

[17:38:51]

stiv2k:

im interested in buying a tuner card, but i am confused as to what kind

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stiv2k:

i dont know whether i need analog or digital, because I live in the US and I have cable

[17:39:06]

Ymse:

well still can't find the harddrive in the /dev dir........

[17:39:16]

meshe:

i love ubuntu, but why not teach people about root instead of pretending it's not there

[17:39:26]

stiv2k:

and they tell us that we dont have to worry about our hardware for the DTV switchover because the cable company takes care of it

[17:39:45]

stiv2k:

does that mean i can buy an analog card and it will still work?

[17:39:53]

sphery:

meshe: because Windows pretends it's not there (and, really, until not that long ago, it wasn't ;), and Ubuntu is MS Linux

[17:40:26]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Youch, that may be going a bit far

[17:40:26]

meshe:

seriously: sudo dosomething /file/only/root/can/access > /some/other/file/only/root/can/access does not work

[17:40:27]

sphery:

(by that I just mean GNU/Linux designed for people who don't have a reason to learn about computer technology to use)

[17:40:46]

iamlindoro:

sphery: I use Ubuntu, I like to believe I sorta know what I'm doing :)

[17:40:46]

sphery:

i.e. they just want to use it, not learn it

[17:41:11]

sphery:

Yeah, not saying you can't, but saying that it's designed so you can use it even if you don't know how it works.

[17:41:21]

sphery:

Really, more computers/software should be designed that way

[17:41:42]

kormoc:

sphery, sure, but if dropping to root is a valid path to a fix (as it often is), chastising folks for that is a very bad thing imho

[17:41:42]

sphery:

it's BS that my grandmother has to learn some of the things she has to learn just to do the basic things she wants to do on her computer

[17:41:43]

meshe:

for some maybe sphery, but i do love using an OS i don't have to screw with all the time to make it work, but if i do need to make it do something i can

[17:42:02]

sphery:

right... I'm saying Ubuntu's approach is good...

[17:42:06]

iamlindoro:

That said, the first thing I do on an ubuntu install is sudu su && passwd

[17:42:15]

iamlindoro:

er sudo

[17:42:20]

meshe:

iamlindoro: sudo passwd

[17:42:31]

kormoc:

This is why my desktop is OS X

[17:42:31]

sphery:

Why do people just assume that not requiring someone to learn about how the computer works is bad? I have /no/ clue how the magic horses in my car make it go, but it does...

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iamlindoro:

meshe: I don't *actually* run it as that command ;)

[17:42:56]

kormoc:

sphery, because they don't want to take it to the mechanic?

[17:43:01]

sphery:

kormoc: I think the main reason they want people to use sudo is because there's a log of /every/ command executed, making auditing/attribution much easier

[17:43:09]

iamlindoro:

meshe: I switch to root and as one of the many things I poke at, run the password command, was just shorthand :)

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sphery:

if you sudo -i or sudo -s or whatever, you lose all auditing

[17:43:29]

meshe:

i was just showing my version of it iamlindoro

[17:43:30]

kormoc:

sphery, if when your engine dies you hop into a support site and ask what magic to do to fix it, I'd say right then that they have to know how it all works before starting

[17:43:51]

meshe:

:)

[17:44:03]

sphery:

kormoc: agreed...

[17:44:12]

meshe:

and it is one of the first things i do, along with my sloppy mouse support

[17:44:22]

kormoc:

sphery, sure, but sudo blah loses context between commands, that's a bad thing when doing certain things, so blackholing it isn't always valid

[17:44:25]

sphery:

but on the Ubuntu doesn't force a user to learn how it works statement, that's actually a good thing

[17:44:34]

sphery:

if that user becomes a mechanic, though, it's another story.

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meshe:

i use mythbuntu for the same convenience

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kormoc:

sphery, so aye, I personally think that the folks who don't want to know how it all works, they have ways of doing that, Ton's of local shops will do all that for them, even do onsite stuff, it's that most people don't want to pay for it and thus, I feel, they might as well learn

[17:45:13]

** kormoc shrugs **

[17:45:20]

iamlindoro:

honestly, sudo'ing everything worthwhile just drives me insane

[17:45:33]

sphery:

kormoc: true... In some ways with multiple-command-transactions, it makes the user actually have to understand things more (to get things to work)...

[17:45:40]

sphery:

I'll admit that I hate sudo

[17:45:42]

kormoc:

fair 'nuff

[17:45:45]

sphery:

I use ksu -a -l on all my stuff

[17:45:52]

sphery:

(which is the equivalent of sudo -i)

[17:46:18]

meshe:

i like sudo and sudo ldap integration makes things really easy to manage at work

[17:46:19]

kormoc:

sphery, back in the good ol' days, we logged everything a root shell did, so sudo su – would still log everything :)

[17:46:20]

iamlindoro:

I run as root as often as not, but I'm a grownup, I know what it means, and accept any/all risks :)

[17:46:30]

justinh:

having to use sudo can encourage people to do naughty things anyway

[17:46:42]

kormoc:

I'll take the pointing and laughing when I dd a image over my raid array!

[17:46:47]

meshe:

sudo rm -rf /

[17:46:50]

sphery:

iamlindoro: me, too, and I live with the consequences of accepting that risk all the time

[17:46:55]

iamlindoro:

sphery: heh

[17:47:01]

kormoc:

"If I use sudo, it's safe right? Not that evil root shell, right?"

[17:47:01]

meshe:

^-- do not run that

[17:47:09]

justinh:

/usr/local/share/mythtv is owned by me now :)

[17:47:16]

sphery:

kormoc: yeah, that's definitely a danger

[17:47:16]

meshe:

(for anyone that doesn't know what it means)

[17:47:26]

kormoc:

meshe, -bash: :s^--: substitution failed

[17:47:36]

iamlindoro:

heh

[17:48:05]

** kormoc thinks it's a bad thing when the error log page for the weekend takes over 10 minutes to load.... **

[17:48:17]

justinh:

hrm. people porting themes missing the point of mythui somewhat

[17:48:20]

meshe:

felt i should qualify it with the number of users in here

[17:48:44]

kormoc:

Ooh... only 7.6 million errors... no biggie....

[17:48:49]

sphery:

justinh: if, by, "Somewhat," you mean, "Completely," then, yeah

[17:49:01]

** sphery applies for the most-commas-in-a-statement award **

[17:49:13]

meshe:

iamlindoro's message on the users list makes me want to write a theme

[17:49:16]

kormoc:

and dashes as well eh?

[17:49:33]

sphery:

I think I have that one locked

[17:49:48]

justinh:

meshe: why – do you not like his?

[17:49:57]

iamlindoro:

meshe: That's what I was hoping for, would like to see people take an interest and start new things rather than forward-porting the old stuff or starting new themes for .21

[17:50:25]

meshe:

justinh: no, his is awesome, but it looks fun to play with

[17:50:42]

sphery:

iamlindoro: when you bzip2 your theme, do you end up with Diamond.bz2 or is bzip2 compression insufficient to create diamonds from graphite?

[17:51:03]

iamlindoro:

hehe, Well thank you for the complement, but I'm already struggling not to start on the next one which I already have ideas for, borne out of the failures of this one

[17:51:05]

meshe:

i'm tempted to ask if i can get a copy of iamlindoro's theme

[17:51:05]

justinh:

there isn't much of it I've seen so far I'd even want to change

[17:51:35]

iamlindoro:

meshe: Not that I'm unwilling to share it with a select few, but there's enough undone about it that I'm holding off for now

[17:51:53]

justinh:

as themes without cutesy cartoon characters go... ;-)

[17:52:06]

meshe:

let me know when you feel otherwise, i'd love to test it for you

[17:52:16]

iamlindoro:

meshe: Plus it generally tends to surge ahead of committed patches :)

[17:52:33]

iamlindoro:

ie right now it supports my patches which are uncommitted yet, don't think it would work right until those get commited

[17:52:34]

kormoc:

sphery, you have to use --kilobars=60 --temp=1300C

[17:52:51]

justinh:

and stop reminding me I need to try that autowidth stuff again :p

[17:53:03]

iamlindoro:

justinh: Finish it and I will ;)

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meshe:

iamlindoro: *nods*

[17:53:41]

justinh:

this time when I hit the brick wall rather than just give up I think I'll ask for help, however much I have to grovel for it

[17:53:45]

sphery:

hah... I didn't know about those args to bzip2

[17:54:53]

justinh:

and if I end up showing how little i know about code.. heh so what :P

[17:54:59]

meshe:

what patches have you done for that? mythui stuff?

[17:55:02]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Maybe I'll release a series of elemental themes, cultimating in that :)

[17:55:06]

iamlindoro:

er culminating

[17:55:27]

iamlindoro:

meshe: Now It's only one patch ahead, the support for season/episode/subtitle in MythVideo

[17:55:36]

meshe:

ahhh

[17:55:37]

sphery:

I can't wait for Buckyball-wide

[17:55:54]

iamlindoro:

well, and it has support for the Watch Recordings->MythVideo export, but you don't need that patch applied to use the theme

[17:55:58]

kormoc:

does it have a bouncing buckyball for the closed captions?

[17:55:59]

justinh:

I can't wait for yetanotherdarkthemewithmirroredwatermarks-wide

[17:56:09]

meshe:

hmmm, maybe i'll do a vigilante theme for my husband

[17:56:36]

kormoc:

I can't wait for the 'MPAA-Owns-You-Wide'

[17:56:52]

justinh:

until then I'll just have to make do with themewithpillagedandmismatchedwatermarkswithuglygreenselectbars-wide

[17:57:02]

meshe:

what % of screens are ported to mythui now?

[17:57:09]

sphery:

kormoc: you can't run it in a window--it's only appropriate for Fullerene use

[17:57:11]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Heh, funny you should mention that-- exactly the reason that the "shipping" version of my theme will look quite boring

[17:57:42]

meshe:

hehe

[17:57:53]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: As it will rely on people to go d/l a little fanart first so that the randomized backdrops start working-- I don't need the headache of distributing content that could get me in trouble

[17:58:05]

justinh:

sphery: nor are you allowed to change from it. hacking it to make changing to a different theme would be construed as a criminal offence

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iamlindoro:

I'll probably include a few pastoral scenes so that there's *something* in the background, but once people start to d/l their own artwork the theme will really come to life-- not unreasonable, I think

[17:59:15]

** kormoc nods **

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[18:00:31]

justinh:

hahaha somebody has sky (uk) confused with sky (italia). oops

[18:00:38]

iamlindoro:

My thought is to have $themedir/movies, $themedir/games, $themedir/music, etc. with a couple semi-relevant backdrops, with the intent that people symlink those dirs to their local copies of those backdrops

[18:00:54]

Ymse:

what is the prefered file system to initiate for running mythTV?

[18:01:07]

meshe:

hehe

[18:01:08]

justinh:

Ymse: whatever you want

[18:01:24]

meshe:

i run ext3

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GreyFoxx:

Ymse: Most use xfs or jfs

[18:02:03]

kormoc:

I run ext3 for everything except recordings, which is jfs

[18:02:23]

** kormoc peers around for the one person who is still stuck on reiserfs to pipe up **

[18:02:36]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[18:02:37]

justinh:

xfs for all my meeja files & ext3 for / 'n' stuff

[18:03:05]

iamlindoro:

Heh, I actually had to check mount

[18:03:12]

iamlindoro:

xfs across the board these days

[18:03:34]

Ymse:

oki....and I can initiate xfs using fdisk???

[18:03:42]

iamlindoro:

mkfs.xfs

[18:03:43]

tank-man:

yea i still got my root partition on reiserfs :) only cause it was default in slackware a while back

[18:03:54]

iamlindoro:

fdisk is for creating the partition, you create the filesystem after the fact

[18:03:59]

justinh:

fdisk just initialises partitions.. doesn't format/make filesystems

[18:04:11]

meshe:

isn't reiser a killer filesystem?

[18:04:14]

meshe:

sorry

[18:04:20]

iamlindoro:

dad dum Tisshhhhh

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iamlindoro:

;)

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kormoc:

meshe, yeah, but it couldn't keep the hounds at bay

[18:04:40]

** justinh groans **

[18:05:58]

Ymse:

Oki I'm using "backtrack".....just please tell me what to write to I can format the bloody.......*#%CCC##" harddrive and instal a working file system :)

[18:06:57]

tank-man:

trying to use backtrack as a base for mythtv?

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[18:07:20]

iamlindoro:

mythpuppy!

[18:07:24]

iamlindoro:

pupMyth!

[18:07:27]

keith4:

I could've sworn that mythvideo used to say "rip DVD", but now it says "import DVD". am I crazy?

[18:07:36]

iamlindoro:

DamnSmallMyth!

[18:07:41]

iamlindoro:

ExherbMyth!

[18:07:43]

Ymse:

no....just trying to format the drive so it's bootable..........it just refuses to boot from the harddrive.....

[18:08:11]

iamlindoro:

Ymse: creating a new partition and filesystem isn't going to make it boot

[18:08:17]

iamlindoro:

more likely your grub install is broken

[18:08:28]

iamlindoro:

but this *really* ought to be in a linux help channel

[18:08:35]

iamlindoro:

as this is pretty irrelevant to myth

[18:08:45]

iamlindoro:

As I told you some time ago

[18:10:08]

iamlindoro:

There's no linux equivalent to format /s, in linux you create a partition/filesystem, but making the system boot off the partition is the job of the bootloader

[18:13:02]

kormoc:

Ymse, and the bootloader config is very distro dependent

[18:13:12]

Ymse:

iamlindoro: I'm very sorry if I bother you unecessarlily........just tried everything now...............but might have found ther problem why Mythubunty

[18:13:41]

iamlindoro:

It's not a bother, just a matter of being on topic-- and you will likely get very prompt help if you ask in a distro-specific channel

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iamlindoro:

ie help in this channel works on the assumption that you have a working distro, and a working capture card (ie the prerequisites to running myth) from the word "go"

[18:14:54]

Ymse:

Mythubuntu won't make the disc bootable......after writing fdisk /dev/hda I get :"the number of cylinders for this disk is set to 14946. There is nothing wrong with that, but it is larger than 1024".

[18:15:15]

kormoc:

and there is nothing wrong with that

[18:15:22]

** cesman chuckles and heads off to work... **

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[18:16:00]

Ymse:

Yeah yeah yeah I know....but that is what the screen says :)

[18:17:28]

iamlindoro:

Ymse: #ubuntu-mythtv

[18:17:43]

wagnerrp:

Ymse: the only reason you should not be able to boot from a drive is because you have not installed a boot loader onto it

[18:17:45]

Ymse:

oki oki............

[18:17:45]

iamlindoro:

They handle Myth as applied to thir distro, and specifically mythbuntu, in that channel

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[18:23:36]

cityLights1:

hi

[18:24:34]

cityLights1:

sphery: in continue to our talk yesterday I just posted about the frontend crash

[18:24:37]

cityLights1:

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-5607275.html#5607275

[18:27:05]

cityLights1:

I build myth with ggdb , and I can repreduce the X ssesion crashs everytime with 0.21 fixes

[18:27:31]

cityLights1:

last lines are

[18:27:36]

cityLights1:

[Thread 0xb5068b90 (LWP 15217) exited]

[18:27:36]

cityLights1:

X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).

[18:29:27]

sphery:

cityLights1: Myth is /not/ crashing. If anything is crashing, it's X

[18:29:37]

sphery:

so you'd need to run gdb on X

[18:29:48]

cityLights1:

ok, but how can I trace it sphery?

[18:30:03]

cityLights1:

then crash it?

[18:30:09]

sphery:

however, that just looks like an exit where the session is waiting on mythfrontend and when mythfrontend terminates, X thinks it's done, so it terminates

[18:30:33]

sphery:

i.e. you have a ~/.xinitrc where the last line is mythfrontend or something

[18:30:56]

sphery:

(could be in .Xsession or several other places, though, depending on your system/configuration)

[18:31:19]

cityLights1:

nopaste .xinitrc

[18:31:19]

cityLights1:

http://rafb.net/p/SheGtv44.html

[18:31:39]

cityLights1:

ls -la .x*

[18:31:39]

cityLights1:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 niv niv 9 2009-01–25 23:42 .xinitrc -> .xsession

[18:32:00]

cityLights1:

I made this file myself

[18:32:03]

sphery:

what about startxfce4\

[18:32:22]

cityLights1:

starts up xfce4 wm by default

[18:32:33]

sphery:

right, but is it waiting on mythfrontend

[18:32:41]

cityLights1:

should I remove this file?

[18:32:54]

sphery:

I don't know what's in that file...

[18:32:57]

sphery:

can I see it?

[18:33:08]

cityLights1:

startxfce4?

[18:33:15]

sphery:

yeah

[18:33:30]

sphery:

or is it just part of the xfce distribution?

[18:33:36]

cityLights1:

let me make it easier, i am going to remove the file and enter xdm again

[18:33:50]

sphery:

try without xdm

[18:33:53]

cityLights1:

then my system will use xfce4 by default

[18:33:56]

sphery:

try just doing startx from the command line

[18:34:11]

sphery:

remove any .xsession and .xinitrc symlinks first

[18:34:14]

cityLights1:

then exiting mythfrontend to case the crash?

[18:34:40]

sphery:

then starting X should go into twm (which is ugly) and you will probably have a couple of terminals

[18:34:44]

sphery:

on one startup mythfrontend

[18:34:58]

sphery:

then exit mythfrontend and see if it crashes

[18:34:59]

cityLights1:

ya ya – I know that,

[18:35:02]

cityLights1:

ok

[18:35:03]

cityLights1:

brb

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sphery:

if not, then it's something about your config that's making X wait on mythfrontend

[18:35:32]

sphery:

if it does crash, then it's almost definitely your video drivers causing X itself to crash (not Myth)

[18:35:57]

sphery:

if you don't get twm and get xfce, it's not a good test

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Ymse:

someone you please tell me why the dev\disk dir have "by-id by-path by-uuid".............????

[18:42:21]

** iamlindoro taps his fingers impatiently **

[18:42:39]

iamlindoro:

I am losing my cool here

[18:42:43]

sphery:

that's a HAL of a good question

[18:42:55]

iamlindoro:

Is there a reason you keep asking non-MythTV questions in a mythTV channel?

[18:43:26]

iamlindoro:

Do you *want* to find that once you're ready to install myth, nobody wants to hear your questions any more?

[18:44:21]

Ymse:

In my old Fedora Core........I found my harddrives there.....thought this was a mythbuntu phenomena

[18:45:09]

justinh:

#mythbuntu for mythbuntu troubles

[18:45:29]

iamlindoro:

or, as mentioned umpteen times, #ubuntu-mythtv

[18:45:55]

Ymse:

isn't that a developers #???

[18:46:18]

justinh:

nope

[18:46:28]

iamlindoro:

Ymse: For crying out loud man, is it this har to make you listen in real life?

[18:46:30]

iamlindoro:

hard

[18:47:16]

Ymse:

oki..........just read on the www.mythbuntu.org that it was a developers #....sorry

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justinh:

they don't even mention a dev channel on http://mythbuntu.org/support

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justinh:

ah well

[18:49:19]

genii:

Should put something in /topic about #ubuntu-mythtv or #mythbunbtu if it comes up so much

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justinh:

who reads the topic?!

[18:51:19]

genii:

justinh: I just did :)

[18:53:09]

meshe:

i read the topic on #mythtv the first time i joined then joined here

[18:53:31]

meshe:

then i got more interested in myth and joined #mythtv again

[18:53:56]

meshe:

i've learned a lot from listening in both channels

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justinh:

it's not so much the topic in #mythtv but the MSG you get when you join. pretty hard to miss that

[18:57:26]

meshe:

hah, actually that goes to my status window that i mostly ignore

[18:59:01]

justinh:

you're probably the exception to the rule ;-)

[19:01:31]

meshe:

i dunno, the topic seems pretty straightforward: Topic for #mythtv: Welcome to #mythtv. This is the development channel. For user support, please see #mythtv-users

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justinh:

you have any idea how many people stick around to argue the toss in there? wayyyy too many

[19:02:34]

justinh:

enough to tempt people to de-list the channel :P

[19:03:00]

meshe:

/mode #mythtv #mythtv +sp

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meshe:

oops, both modes can't be set at the same time: /mode #mythtv +s

[19:07:39]

iamlindoro:

God save me from "suggestions"

[19:08:57]

iamlindoro:

Guy wants the fanart to be downloaded into a new directory for each video item, and to download all of the fanart for every single thing, oh and while I'm at it, change the random image functionality to support dynamically inserting a different directory value so that each time you select an item it's a random image from that item's directory

[19:09:09]

iamlindoro:

UmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmNO

[19:11:44]

meshe:

nice response on the end

[19:11:58]

iamlindoro:

"This sounds like what I was looking for!!! Where can I download Myth TV and what's the cost of it?"

[19:11:58]

justinh:

it's good to vent :)

[19:11:59]

iamlindoro:

hahahah

[19:12:38]

justinh:

well, you folks will read the -lusers ML

[19:12:44]

meshe:

one meeelion dollars!!!

[19:14:06]

justinh:

not that -dev is much more enlightened

[19:14:08]

justinh:

oh god. is anybody doing anything with glass-wide. NO

[19:14:46]

iamlindoro:

meshe: I worried that it might seem a *little* rude, because the only thing that could be worse would be him "patching" my patch

[19:15:33]

justinh:

if somebody was to extend the functionality .. that'd be a _bad_ thing somehow?

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justinh:

but I'm not one to talk. I've openly felt pissed at people who sent patches for my stuff

[19:16:38]

iamlindoro:

justinh: It'd be a bad thing if the result was to change the behavior such that it broke all the corollary functionality and abused the hell out of the poor free grabber sources, yeah

[19:16:48]

meshe:

your explanation makes sense, and aren't commit decisions based on that?

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iamlindoro:

meshe: I'm not too worried that anyone will actually write patches, that never seems to be too much of a worry around here :)

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justinh:

especially when the stuff they sent didn't fit or was so cack handed I ended up doing it all myself :P

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justinh:

iamlindoro: yeah but I think we all know people are going to freakin hammer tvdb.com etc with batchified scripts sooner or later

[19:18:15]

meshe:

muhahahaha just you wait till i learn the source code

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meshe:

er

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meshe:

:)

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justinh:

it's probable that 'some other' media thingies do that already

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iamlindoro:

justinh: That's on them, and I don't expect that nonense to get committed-- I am committed to producing a behavior that balances fun new functionality with treating generous people fairly

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iamlindoro:

Just goes to show it's never enough for some people

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justinh:

cool :)

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justinh:

nothing ever is.

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meshe:

sadly

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justinh:

only a pony will ever do.. and when they get their pony it's not quite up to spec

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justinh:

still nobody seems to be addressing this issue in the OSS world

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iamlindoro:

Really, though, I can't see options to download ALL of the ~500KB fanart for an item and rape the server ever making it into proper myth

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iamlindoro:

unless the grabber source literally said "Hey, feel free to download it all, we're swimming in bandwidth!"

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

maybe setup scripts for mirror sites ;)

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iamlindoro:

And to be truthful, given the varying quality of fanart, I can't see random multiple fanart for items looking like anything but ASS

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iamlindoro:

I've never found more than one piece I wanted to assign to an item, and even some of the stuff I've been forced to settle on has sucked

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justinh:

shows how I've not dug very deep yet – everything I've seen so far looks spanky

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justinh:

bugger knows where they get their source material

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justinh:

a lot of it certainly isn't in the public domain.. not for the shows I've looked at anyway

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iamlindoro:

It probably occupies the same legal ground as downloading CD covers

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iamlindoro:

in the spectrum of actionable stuff, I think it's low-to-none

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justinh:

nah I know the legal blurb.. just wondering where in frack's name they get the source images from in the 1st place

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meshe:

Internal can produce screenshots right?

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justinh:

yup

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Ah, I think mostly from promotional stills and whatnot

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justinh:

iamlindoro: yeah, but getting hold of _them_ is the bitch

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iamlindoro:

A lot of them are modified movie posters, too

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iamlindoro:

ie zoom in on some element of the poster, add some text, do some cleanups, etc.

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justinh:

where in the world are folks getting daft res versions of those? ;-)

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justinh:

methinks people know people who know people :)

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iamlindoro:

Not sure I can point to a truly reliable source, but I can usually Google-Image on eht extra large setting and find something that could be made into fanart

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stonith:

What would you guys run? A full fledged box that loads via pxeboot for frontend, or the popcorn hour machine A-110? My concerns are, I just want to go to the bedroom, power on the device, poweron the television and start watching TV. Or can anyone reccomend a good uPNP device?

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iamlindoro:

I think a lot of the material that goes out to the press does so at very large resolution, and a lot of places leave that stuff available

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justinh:

hahaha the words 'good' and 'upnp' in the same sentence

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stonith:

heh i guess that is a no

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iamlindoro:

I wouldn't run a uPnP device period. Way too limiting.

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stonith:

how long does a frontend boot from pxeboot, to load the environment, run X, autologin and running mythfrontend?

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iamlindoro:

how much did you spend on the frontend?

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justinh:

stonith: mine takes about 35 secs

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justinh:

that's about 10x faster than my cable box starts up :D

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cityLights1:

sphery: still here?

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iamlindoro:

Heh, I remember waiting minutes for my old ReplayTV to cold boot

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stonith:

justinh: i think its when I turn in for the night and watch a couple of hours, 35 seconds doesn't sound bad at all.

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iamlindoro:

Heh, Number Six from BSG is on Chuck tonight

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iamlindoro:

I predict hot chicks in undies

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sphery:

cityLights1: yeah

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iamlindoro:

(Because you *know* there's always the token underwear scene on Chuck, don't try to deny it)

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cityLights1:

min

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cityLights1:

sphery: http://rafb.net/p/rTAoDn12.html

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cityLights1:

so , yes X gets a signal

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sphery:

cityLights1: which signal? There's a big difference between SIGTERM and SIGSEGV

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FunkyELF:

I thought I heard somewhere that you don't need the ivtv kernel driver any more...is that true?

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cityLights1:

I dont know/understand

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sphery:

FunkyELF: you use the one distributed in the kernel sources, now

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cityLights1:

its just what I got

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sphery:

cityLights1: paste the part above where you typed bt

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cityLights1:

after the crash I got the (gdb) line back in the terminal

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cityLights1:

I then ran bt full and posted the finding

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sphery:

yes, and what's above that?

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sphery:

if nothing, you're losing the scrollback and need to log your gdb output

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cityLights1:

above it there wasnt anything beyond what is in Xorg.0.log

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sphery:

set logging on

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cityLights1:

I did – and got no file

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cityLights1:

wait

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sphery:

well, I don't know... I still don't know if it's a crash, but if it is, it's not in Myth--it's in X/your video drivers.

[19:40:46]

sphery:

If it is a crash, I'm probably the person least-capable of helping you fix it (as I don't know anything about Gentoo)

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cityLights1:

ok I just want to pin it down

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cityLights1:

no need to now gentoo – only how to get a core dump

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cityLights1:

I want this crash to reasult in a core dump

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cityLights1:

I am not blaming mythtv

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cityLights1:

also, as the X pid is still on after that, did it really crash?

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cityLights1:

what does it mean when gdb gives you back the command prompt?

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cityLights1:

also, xterm never died – does it mean anything?

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justinh:

oo The Wire starts tonight. might be good

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dashs:

Please point me to a reporting procedure for backend/frontend crashes (seg fault).

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justinh:

reporting? you have to get a backtrace first. the official docs tell you how

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wagnerrp:

stonith: the usual recommendation is to get a full machine, CF card or netboot, get standby working, and get a USB remote that can bring it out of standby

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wagnerrp:

if you plan ahead, its not difficult to build a small, nearly silent machine

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justinh:

my s100 boxes would've made ideal bedroom SDTV frontends

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justinh:

heh. the bbc website even supplies high res artwork

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stonith:

wagnerrp and justinh: how are you guys putting it to standby and bringing the box back up?

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justinh:

I just power it off

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justinh:

no great shakes to wait < 40 secs every day

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justinh:

not that I wouldn't mind it being faster

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meshe:

supposedly ubuntu Jaunty is going to halve startup time

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wagnerrp:

you can grab s2ram, or you can 'echo' the right word into some procfs file

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wagnerrp:

as far as bringing it back, you can just hit the power button, or get a USB IR receiver which wakes it

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wagnerrp:

or get one that hooks into a WOL connector

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wagnerrp:

or get one that hooks into the power button

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sphery:

cityLights1: gdb giving a command prompt may mean anything from X shut down normally without any crashes to X received a signal (even a SIGSEGV--which is a "crash")

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wagnerrp:

on standby, a decent machine will eat maybe 1W, and will come alive in ~3s

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sphery:

cityLights1: only gdb's output can tell you what happened

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wagnerrp:

if you get laptop parts, youll pull a small fraction of a watt

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justinh:

wagnerrp: depends on the PSU

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sphery:

I wonder if halving the startup time simply means running init scripts asynchronously

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justinh:

sphery: sounds like upstart coming of age

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justinh:

not stripping bloat

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wagnerrp:

justinh: i guess a laptop would pull considerably less power just running off battery instead of the wall

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justinh:

or is it gonna be wooo look, the desktop.. then chug chug chug churrrrn...

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sphery:

hmmm... if it is, I wonder how long it will take me to accept it as well as the tried and true SysV init style...

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dashs:

justinh: I'm unable to locate a reporting procedure.

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meshe:

ubuntu was supposed to do async startup like 4 versions ago

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wagnerrp:

sphery: isnt that one of the intents of init-ng?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: and upstart and everyone else's pet project ;)

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justinh:

ouch. being unable to read documents probably precludes you from reporting bugs

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wagnerrp:

ah, ive not heard of upstart

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dashs:

Which document?

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justinh:

I told you. The _official_ mythtv documentation

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wagnerrp:

upstart was added back in ubuntu 6.10?

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-1.html#ss1.9 and http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#debugging

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sphery:

sweet... linux-2.6.29, which won't allow me to build a kernel (because of my ancient/broken gcc) /will/ let me build kernel headers (so I can use them to build a gcc that can build the kernel)...

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wagnerrp:

apparently it hasnt helped much

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meshe:

superdump: hah

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meshe:

sphery: hah

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meshe:

wagnerrp: no, it hasn't :)

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wagnerrp:

fun with tabs?

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justinh:

wagnerrp: it was added sure enough, but things still weren't loaded in parallel as far as I could tell

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meshe:

they made a big deal about it back then, but it didn't change much

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sphery:

meshe: interesting... wonder how they're getting the big speedup, then, if it's not async startup

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justinh:

they're heading towards the clouds now.. whatever that means on Planet Om

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meshe:

sphery: i'm not sure if the current implementation is using async, they may just end up fixing that

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sphery:

cool...

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wagnerrp:

theyve already tried plans 1–8...

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sphery:

whatever it is, faster startup would be appreciated by many

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meshe:

no idea though, that's just one of their targets

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meshe:

i would love it if the next mythbuntu fired up in ~20 secs

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justinh:

it could, if a user could be bothered to rip out loads of cruft

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meshe:

then again, i'm going to the mac mini for a frontend next

[20:01:12]

dashs:

justinh: some of us differentiate debugging from reporting, sorry.

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justinh:

dashs: those links cover both

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sphery:

I've considered playing with things like suspend and hibernate, but something about starting from cold RAM makes me happy (and /much/ more trusting of my system)

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wagnerrp:

im just pissed my frontend doesnt support Wake-On-USB

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dashs:

justinh: runtime way to determine debug state of the build?

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sphery:

i.e. with Windows Vista defaulting the "power button" (on the Start menu) to suspend (or hibernate?), now even a reboot doesn't always "fix" Windows :)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: no NIC support, yet?

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meshe:

vista still hasn't defaulted to hibernate, you need to enable it

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i mean USB is shut off in standby, i cant my remote to wake it

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sphery:

dashs: mythbackend --version

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sphery:

wagnerrp: oh, never used a USB NIC...

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wagnerrp:

sphery: 'my remote'... IR receiver... not NIC...

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dashs:

sphery: thank you

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wagnerrp:

meshe: hibernation is quickly becoming unusable in windows

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sphery:

Cool... Just got my Monday free rental from redbox SMS (and it says forward to friends)... 89ZQJ3 , FWIW

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wagnerrp:

considering the standard windows box you buy anymore is going to come stock with 2+ GB of memory

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wagnerrp:

my system would take better than a minute to read and write that file

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sphery:

wagnerrp: d'oh... I can't read... I saw "Wake-On-" and my brain finished it with "LAN"

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wagnerrp:

i tried throwing in a USB card, same problem

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meshe:

wagnerrp: i'm still on windows xp for all my windows installations, but my dad's vista box with 4GB/ram hibernates fine

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meshe:

s/box/laptop/

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wagnerrp:

meshe: im not saying it doesnt work, more that it takes a LLLOOOOONNGGGGG TTTTIIIIMMMEEEE

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wagnerrp:

more so on a laptop with a lower performance hard drive

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wagnerrp:

i bet it takes him over 2 minutes to hibernate

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justinh:

I've taken Vista off two laptops in this house

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justinh:

ducking pain in the ducking ass

[20:19:55]

meshe:

heh

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meshe:

i have a minimialized version of XP pro that installs in just 200MB

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justinh:

bought this laptop partly so I could DJ with it. even with 2GB ram it was coughing while playing back WAV files

[20:20:28]

wagnerrp:

ive found my laptop puts off little enough heat, that its not a problem to leave it in standby in my padded backpack

[20:20:29]

meshe:

i use that for any time i need windows

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wagnerrp:

i dont bother turning it off anymore

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justinh:

I mean.. having trouble playing a bloody WAV file! it had to go in the bin

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meshe:

justinh: heh, wav files were the only thing my 486 would play

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meshe:

it couldn't decode mp3

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wagnerrp:

you might be able to pull off mp3 on a late model 486

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wagnerrp:

one of the 66MHz ones may manage it

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justinh:

and then when it did work properly for a while, I was lulled into a false sense of security & thought it ok to perform a set with it. Put this way, it was a damn good job I had a backup playback solution til I could reboot

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meshe:

wagnerrp: it was a dx4 100 at that time, upgraded from an sx 33

[20:23:33]

wagnerrp:

... and to think... JVA fired back at me when i said you still have to worry about audio decoding when using VDPAU

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JEDIDIAH__:

a dx4 100 can handle mp3 if you do aggressive buffering.

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meshe:

that box is long dead, it's hard drive decided to glow red

[20:24:16]

wagnerrp:

id still like to see if a VIA could manage a high bitrate DTS stream

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justinh:

JEDIDIAH__: so why can't a new modern machine with Vista on it?

[20:24:38]

JEDIDIAH__:

you are not the customer (of vista)

[20:24:39]

meshe:

because of Vista ;)

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justinh:

I mean these were fresh machines, brand new, so no stupid user installed crap

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JEDIDIAH__:

It's like thinking you are the customer of NBC or Fox.

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justinh:

somebody at work said to me 'oh yeah I had that for the first week or so'. Like WTF?

[20:25:45]

meshe:

if ( $problem && $os_vendor == 'Microsoft' ) { die 'Your problem exists with your OS Vendor, see http://ubuntu.com'; }

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justinh:

sadly, there is no decent video editing/Djing/music production software for loonix

[20:26:32]

justinh:

or bitmap graphic editing. And no, I don't mind paying :)

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meshe:

my next windows jump will be to Windows 7, i'm skipping Vista

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justinh:

tools for jobs :)

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** EvilGuru just caught himself watching ITV!?! **

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sphery:

justinh: I got a new laptop on which I planned to install GNU/Linux, but the OEM didn't ship restore DVD's--they had a Windows program installed that would create them for you. I got the laptop with 1GB RAM (plenty for my needs) and it uses 256MB for GPU. It took >15min to get past the Vista startup, and it was unable to create the startup disks because it didn't have sufficient RAM.

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justinh:

oh heh

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justinh:

BAD EvilGuru. Time to self-flaggellate

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meshe:

yeah, < 2GB ram is not sufficient for vista

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justinh:

2GB ram is not sufficient either IME

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meshe:

i'll disagree with that

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justinh:

depends what you want to do

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** JEDIDIAH__ remembers when OS researchers bragged about abusing 64M of ram. **

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EvilGuru:

How did they get the rights to Law & Order UK, should be a BBC thing

[20:28:32]

meshe:

true

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meshe:

my husband's system is Vista with 2GB ram, it runs his MMO using ultra high quality and still has room to spare in ram

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meshe:

and it uses about a gig

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meshe:

the game that is

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justinh:

heh. Ableton Live was too much for my laptop

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justinh:

this was.. playing back 2 wav files at the same time without any effects

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justinh:

shudder... gap.. gap.. shudder.. crash

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meshe:

geeze

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meshe:

oh yeah, we use tiny vista, sorry

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** meshe loves the stripped down versions you can get **

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meshe:

and as long as you have a valid vista licence you are ok to use them (confirmed with M$)

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justinh:

ah the stolen

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justinh:

well, I kind of expected my newly bought laptop to be the dogs' danglies

[20:32:04]

meshe:

some people steal them

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cityLights1:

sphery: I just rebuild Xorg with gdb so I will have its symbols

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meshe:

yeah, that is utterly rediculous

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justinh:

I mean sure, not the fastest machine ever but...

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justinh:

anyhoo, XP & loonix is really nice on it

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cityLights1:

guess I need to read your mythtv docs to find out how to use gdb to produce a meaningful backtrace

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justinh:

and I doubt I'll ever willingly buy an MS OS ever again

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justinh:

at least not while it's < 3 years old :D

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meshe:

tinyxp running in virtual box on my work laptop is using 95.5 MB ram

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justinh:

roflmao.. "Law & Order: UK stars Bradley Walsh"...

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justinh:

oh dear

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justinh:

haha and Freema Agyeman. A true mark of quality

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cityLights1:

justinh: what trrent client is good (I need to download something now, and never installed a torrent client)

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cityLights1:

sphery: Is it possible that a program will crash in gdb and not output any line to the console?

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justinh:

might aswell feature Robson Green & that fat bloke who used to be in the Naffwest bank adverts

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gbee:

Bradley Walsh isn't terrible in Law & Order, but the bloke playing the lawyer and Freema are both dire, as is the scripting of that half of the programme

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cityLights1:

oh ya, is there a simple way to generate torrents from recorded show?

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gbee:

then again, watched the original BBC Law & Order from the 70s ... beats this ITV crap (and the US one IMHO) hands down

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gbee:

cityLights1: no, that's illegal and will get you banned from this channel

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cityLights1:

sorry,

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wagnerrp:

gbee: but hes downloading... linux ISOs!

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wagnerrp:

err.. nevermind

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wagnerrp:

didnt read the second comment

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bocaJ:

does anyone know what types can be called in mythtranscode after "-e"? I know dvd, ps work and are documented. ts also works for SD content, although there is 10.08 mbit cap, so HD content gets lossy and out of sync. Are there any other flags?

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wagnerrp:

mythtranscode cannot generate DVD video

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wagnerrp:

NUVs only (and clipped mpegs)

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gbee:

actually it can

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bocaJ:

wagnerrp – my understanding is that using mythtranscode --mpeg -e dvd blah blah blah will perform and mpeg to mpeg copy with DVD NAV packets inserted. Is this wrong?

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meshe:

??? "You have to get listing data from somewhere for MythTV to be useful, I have

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meshe:

always considered that to be the weak point in Myth."

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meshe:

and that's myth's fault how?

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wagnerrp:

bocaJ: it will do a clipped copy, but you still have the original bitstream

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gbee:

bocaJ: no that's correct

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wagnerrp:

meaning if its HD content above the 10mbps barrier, youre SOL

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gbee:

meshe: heh, the fact that there are plenty of fairly polished methods to get listings data into myth – including EIT which is transparent and as simple as it can get

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gbee:

meshe: this the users list again?

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meshe:

yus

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** kormoc dies a little more inside **

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wagnerrp:

yep, someone wanting to install a pinnacle card

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wagnerrp:

of course theyre from colorado, so EIT data is of limites use

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gbee:

well they've still got SD, the next best thing

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meshe:

person asking if they have to sign up for xmltv, so far they haven't done the "But can't i get it free?"

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gbee:

but I suppose they object to the cost?

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justinh:

hey I've often thought that needing to have at least one computer is mythtv's biggest failing. I mean.. lame or what?!

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wagnerrp:

mythtv should support the VCR+ codes that come in my TVGuide!!!!one1one

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gbee:

tv guides are still carrying those?

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justinh:

haha yes

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justinh:

last time I looked, not so long ago

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gbee:

thought they died out with VCRs

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wagnerrp:

i really dont know, never looked at a tv guide

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justinh:

VCRs ain't dead yet

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justinh:

VHS might be on its way

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meshe:

whatsa VCR?

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wagnerrp:

voluptuous caring redhead

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justinh:

they're machines which record TV. you program them with times & channels, or just press Rec

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meshe:

oooh, neat concept

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caeroe:

been several days now, still cannot get a kworld 120 working

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justinh:

Sony are still making them. they have damn nasty UIs too

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justinh:

caeroe: you need to leave it a bit longer for everything to set properly

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gbee:

wagnerrp: those come in petite brunette models?

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wagnerrp:

gbee: that would be CPR?

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caeroe:

anything useful? followed the guides, despite the conflicting info

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justinh:

caeroe: try #linuxtv

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wagnerrp:

meh... nothing compares to the 'VD' player

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caeroe:

... well following the mythtv guide, i suppose they'd tell me to come here

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wagnerrp:

we were over at my grandparents for christmas several years ago, and they informed everyone that they wanted a 'VD' player

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justinh:

caeroe: we don't do 'how to get your hardware to work' here

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wagnerrp:

caeroe: once you get the card working, we can help you

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wagnerrp:

but DVB drivers are linuxtv's business

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justinh:

also the responsibility of $distro to a certain extent

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gbee:

hundreds of hours of recorded TV and nothing I want to watch, that's the real beauty of MythTV :/

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caeroe:

guess i'll keep going in circles and have each channel send me back and forth

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caeroe:

thanks

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justinh:

since when would #linuxtv send people here with help getting a tuner to work?

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wagnerrp:

if they keep sending him here, why does he tell them its for mythtv?

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justinh:

what difference does it make wtf it's for?

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iamlindoro:

They haven't sent him here

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iamlindoro:

I (and many others) camp out there too, nary a peep

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justinh:

yeah figures

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genii:

All the tuners should use same lowlevel drivers no matter the frontend so it doesn't make sense. Maybe they figure more ppl knowledgeable on tuners etc in here than elsewhere

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wagnerrp:

maybe #ubuntu send him here?

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justinh:

just somebody assuming stuff

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justinh:

maybe $distro don't want to hear anything but "hey, you guys rock.. who wants a suck first?"

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kormoc:

It's all I want to hear from the cute ladies!

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justinh:

heh. sadly the groupies at linux fests are thin on the ground

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: i thought you got pissed off at the last people who told you to whip out the python

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wagnerrp:

s/people/person/

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

not a cute lady :)

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meshe:

kormoc: you beat me by 6 days on a feature :)

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meshe:

i wrote the popout code for the flash player yesterday

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kormoc:

hehe

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meshe:

:)

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justinh:

Ahh I knew that name rang a bell. I couldn't chuffing stand her when I worked in the same bar. IGNORE. Click!

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stonith:

is there some type of ir blaster than can control two STBs?

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stonith:

i vaguely recall browsing the web and seeing a small device that connects to usb that can control up to 4 (?)

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stonith:

and i finally found it, so nevermind. It's commandIR II

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sphery:

xris: you don't have Agressive Audio Buffering enabled, do you (you don't want it--only Extra Audio Buffering).

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gbee:

not really sure why Aggressive Audio buffering exists, at least not as an exposed settings, does more harm than good

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xris:

sphery: pretty sure juist the "extra" setting

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iamlindoro:

gbee: You're the second person to remark on that in a week. Hmm, what to do... :)

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bocaJ:

skipping back to a question I asked a while ago, are there any types that the -e flag in mythtranscode can be set to aside from "ps" "dvd" and "ts"?

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

And TS doesn't work properly, as I have mentioned to you before, which is why it is not mentioned in the help

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bocaJ:

iamlindoro – it worked for me for SD content just fine

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** iamlindoro sighs **

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jams:

how is one supposed to write a decent udev rule when all the info provided is http://fpaste.org/paste/7399

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android6011:

in general, for blue-ray playback, what graphics capability do you need? Would an integrated geforce 9300 + core 2 duo handle a blueray drive ok?

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bocaJ:

android – with a decent amount of ram, I would imagine so

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android6011:

bocaJ whats decent?

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android6011:

like 3gb?

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android6011:

8gb?

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bocaJ:

8 would definitely do it

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android6011:

but 4 should handle it ok?

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bocaJ:

That would be my guess, yes

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bocaJ:

if you're not going to violate DMCA, you'll also need an output (HDMI) that is HDCP compliant

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iamlindoro:

Well that's just totally wrong

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android6011:

heh

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iamlindoro:

a) You can't play blu ray off the disk in linux

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iamlindoro:

b) You must rip the disks, and many of them can't be in linux

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android6011:

ya i kinda knew that, thats why i asked "in general"

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iamlindoro:

c) There is no HDCP in linux for ripped disks, nor HDCP period in linux

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iamlindoro:

d) Any old Core 2 Duo won't do it if you intend to use (stable, reliable) software decode-- and you should, as I have Blu ray material that make VDPAU crash/corrupt, etc.

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iamlindoro:

Core 2 Duo 2.6 Ghz or higher, a couple gig of RAM, rip the disks in windows with AnyDVD HD

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iamlindoro:

the nVidia is fine

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iamlindoro:

You can get away with less processor if you use VDPAU, but it is *not* reliable, even with perfectly mastered disks

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android6011:

Intel Core 2 Duo E7300 Wolfdale 2.66GHz 3MB L2 Cache ok?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, that would be fine

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android6011:

so that paired with 4 gigs ram and onboard geforce 9300 should be ok?

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android6011:

i assume the onboard geforce 7100 couldnt take it

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iamlindoro:

If you're using software decode, a 7100 or 9300 will be identical

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iamlindoro:

but might as well get the 9300 so that you have the option of VDPAU if you want it

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iamlindoro:

and yes, 4 GB of RAM is more than enough. (2 GB is more than enough)

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android6011:

ok thanks for all the info

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iamlindoro:

np

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android6011:

im trying to take parts from certain comps and buy some to get a mythtv backend/nas and front end with future blueray support (distant future) and hopefulyl not to far off a quad core machine

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android6011:

the backend/nas and frontend are 2 diff builds, i know that didnt make that too clear

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sphery:

lot of people reporting Myth compile issues with it, but it seems to be in the "we'll call it a release and fix it later" stage of development

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edistar:

hi, anyone there?

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edistar:

what is better? a dual-core cpu or a slightly higher clocked single-core

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wagnerrp:

what do you want to do with said processor?

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edistar:

the question really is: does mythtv utilise multiple cores?

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wagnerrp:

depends entirely on what you want to do with it

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edistar:

well, watch DVB-S2 (HD)

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