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Crelam:

Greetings folks! I'm having an issue setting up a usb tuner. The Hauppauge WinTV 950q. I think its scanning for ATSC channels, but I want to use NTSC. Any idea on how to get it to scan the analog input?

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iamlindoro_:

Analog support for that device was only merged into v4l-dvb a week or so ago. Is your driver newer than that?

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Crelam:

Ah! No it is not. So I need to update it.

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Crelam:

Now I have to find out how to update it. I'm such a linux noob.

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.linuxtv.org/repo/

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Crelam:

Well that sounds easy enough! Thanks.

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iamlindoro_:

no problem

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Anusien:

So I'm trying to set up firewire per these instructions: http://mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire. Mythtv is already using firewire and I have all the firewire modules but eth1394 (the optional one). Here is the result from plugreport, it's problematic right? http://rafb.net/p/dtKlZP10.html

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iamlindoro_:

just means as far as your computer is concerned, nothing's plugged in

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iamlindoro_:

which generally means the port on the far side is disabled

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Anusien:

This means all the other tests are going to fail as well, right?

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iamlindoro_:

yep

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Anusien:

*googles* as of 2003 the ports were inactive and needed some features to be written in the future..

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metalac:

can anyone tell me why when I change to channel 620, my STB goes instead to 623?

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genii:

Possibly 620,621 and 622 don't actually exist

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sphery:

metalac: or your STB thinks you don't get those channels (i.e. they're not in the package to which you're subscribed)

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Crelam:

Think i'm making progress here. Lottsa lines on my term and I don't know what they mean! :D

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Crelam:

Stupid tiny keyboard...

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buZz:

hmmf, still no go :(

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buZz:

i keep getting DVB errors in mythtv

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buZz:

DVBSM(0), Warning: Can not measure S/N

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Crelam:

Wow. It takes a while to 'make' all these drivers...

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buZz:

i dont have to add DiSEqC stuff to a usb dvb-t stick, right?

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sphery:

jarle: I'm around now (for a bit)

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iamlindoro_:

No Di(gital)S(attelite)Eq(uipment)C(ontrol) on DVB-T, no :)

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iamlindoro_:

But importing a channels.conf for DVB-T won't work

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iamlindoro_:

You need to scan with myth's scanner, as the channels.conf will not include all the info myth needs for DVB-T

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buZz:

ok, i did so now

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buZz:

still the same symptons

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buZz:

no image, no sound, that error in its logs

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buZz:

and later stuff like 2009-03–29 03:01:18.856 Preview Error: Previewer file '/data/MythTV/1001_20090329030110.mpg' is not valid.

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iamlindoro_:

You need to pastebin the full backend logs

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buZz:

k

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iamlindoro_:

I have a feeling you're glossing over what's actually relevant

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iamlindoro_:

If you don't get it working, you might come back when the people in DVB-T countries are awake :)

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buZz:

http://pastebin.com/mc9f5eca

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buZz:

weird stuff is that it works fine in mplayer dvb://"Station name" etc

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: my theory on the dvb-s2 questions is that person is using a "compile it yourself" distro with a new kernel/kernel headers and trying to compile -fixes unsuccessfully... Doesn't follow stuff to know about how to patch it and his/her distro didn't provide a patch.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, It doesn't even need a patch, the compile fix was backported

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iamlindoro_:

current fixes will compile fine

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sphery:

didn't remember it getting into -fixes...

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iamlindoro_:

buZz, Yes, nothing super obvious there-- so you threw out your video sources completely, created a new one, and scanned with Myth's scanner? There's *nothing* left of the channels.conf import?

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sphery:

so then, I have no idea why they'd be worried

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iamlindoro_:

because they're a douche?

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buZz:

iamlindoro_: ah, not nothing

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iamlindoro_:

buZz, Do as I mentioned above-- throw out the whole lineup, create a fresh one, and scan with myth

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iamlindoro_:

it's likely it's trying to start with an imported channel, which won't wotk

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iamlindoro_:

work

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buZz:

sweet, segfault

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buZz:

on the setup, lemme retry

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iamlindoro_:

taskset -c0 mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro_:

start mtythv-setup that way

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19886/br . . . e-0-21-fixes

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Crelam:

Hmmm.. should I have unplugged the usb device before making v4l-dvb?

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Aviatorcmd:

How do you watch your myth shows on other tv's in the house without putting front end computers at each tv?

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metalac:

sphery: you were right about my problem

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iamlindoro_:

Aviatorcmd, you don't. (Or you buy uPnP devices capable of playing the codecs and containers you record in myth)

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: wasn't saying I didn't believe you--just that I didn't remember

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iamlindoro_:

Crelam, Doesn't matter, although you may need to unload/reload modules and/or reboot after

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sphery:

metalac: so, I guess you need to talk to your cable overlords...

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metalac:

sphery: i guess so :)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, I didn't think you were challenging me, just went looking and couldn't let it go until I found it :)

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sphery:

metalac: glad you got it figured out, though

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: heh, I know how that goes... I do the same

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metalac:

sphery: just sucks i cant watch F1 in HD :)

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Crelam:

Huzzah! There is an Analog card available!!

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Aviatorcmd:

damn... I was afraid of that. Was hoping I could block channel 3 or 4 and use an RF monulator to create my own channel that would come up on all of the other tv's...and use a uhf remote anywhere in the house.

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iamlindoro_:

unfortunately that analog card is a poop framegrabber

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sphery:

metalac: of course not... non-conformists aren't allowed to :)

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sphery:

(i.e. all of us who use Myth rather than the cable-/satellite-company-provided DVR's

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buZz:

my taskset is not your taskset i think

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buZz:

-c0 just results in error

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sphery:

-c 0

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dashs:

iamlindoro: back in the saddle again

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iamlindoro_:

Aviatorcmd, if you have an RF modulator that takes an output your video and sound card are capable of putting out, you can do that (assuming being stuck with SD is okay with you)

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sphery:

buZz: someone once pasted it without the space and so that's the answer everyone gives :)

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iamlindoro_:

dashs, You mean after we all told you not to reinstall, don't reinstall, whatever you do, don't reinstall? Congrats. ;)

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dashs:

iamlindoro: don't go in that briar patch

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iamlindoro_:

Hey, you're the one in the briar patch, I don't have to feel bad about you having trouble with something we cautioned you against over and over :)

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dashs:

iamlindoro: the db was trashed, I had to.

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iamlindoro_:

why would you need a reinstall for a trashed DB? Just dump and recreate the DB.

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iamlindoro_:

< 60 second operation

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iamlindoro_:

two command lines

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iamlindoro_:

or one if you can cheat and us &&

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iamlindoro_:

use

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iamlindoro_:

mysql -u someuser -e 'drop database mythconverg' && mysql -u someuser < /path/to/mc.sql

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iamlindoro_:

done

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dashs:

there were other issues – firewire is just an awful mess.

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, whatever, congratulations, glad it's working for you again

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sphery:

note that for the mc.sql, you will almost definitely need to use the root MySQL user

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, Taht ship has sailed anyway

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dashs:

Does the wiki have these db save/restore scenarios?

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sphery:

ahhh.. just caught up on scrollback... Now I se

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sphery:

see

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iamlindoro_:

not only does the wiki have full, correct backup and restore instructions, but the manual has full info on dropping and recreating the DB

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buZz:

'error tuning to transport' :/

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** iamlindoro_ waits for sphery to paste his favorite wiki page **

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dashs:

ok. ok

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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sphery:

I'm getting slow

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sphery:

time for late dinner and TV

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iamlindoro_:

You can't go to dinner, I just set you up on the mailing list

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iamlindoro_:

It's novel writing time

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buZz:

bedtime here

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Aviatorcmd:

iamlindoro_: yes I'm on with SD on all other tv's in the house because they are all old standard 4:3 analog boxes

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buZz:

i'll ask later when the dvb-t crowd's up ;)

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Aviatorcmd:

I assume support for the new Hauppauge 1212 is coming soon....http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html

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wagnerrp:

you would be incorrect

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Aviatorcmd:

then I can just send the output of this box to an RF modulator and I would be good to go

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wagnerrp:

technically... anyway...

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wagnerrp:

also, that box does not output anything

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wagnerrp:

anyway, support has existed in trunk for several months

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Aviatorcmd:

well ok, it has a passthrough from the source....kinda like my sling box has

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ccfreak2k:

Is there a last.fm plugin for mythtv?

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Aviatorcmd:

in trunk ?

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iamlindoro_:

ccfreak2k, no

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Crelam:

I was wondering about the last.fm plugin as well. You might be able to set your last.fm stream up in mythstreams... maybe. I'm just a noob.

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Crelam:

Ok, I got the Hauppauge WinTV 950q recognized for analog input. I got it to scan my channels successfully. However when I go to 'Watch TV' I get a blank screen for a few moments. When MythTV comes back I start seeing 'cannot connect to the master server' errors. What's strange is that this is a one unit setup. Any ideas?

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meshe:

either the backend isn't running or your master backend ip isn't set right in mythtv-setup

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Crelam:

Its the same device and set to local host.

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meshe:

is the backend running?

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Crelam:

I hope so. How can I check? Sorry, i'm a noob.

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meshe:

ps auxww | grep mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

whats the point of a lastfm plugin for mythtv?

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meshe:

in a terminal

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wagnerrp:

it would only make any sense at all built into mythmusic

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meshe:

i'm guessing for playing your personalized streams from last

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Crelam:

Well I got a line of code back...

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wagnerrp:

oh... never actually used those

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meshe:

Crelam: which was?

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wagnerrp:

ive only looked through their suggestions from time to time

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meshe:

wagnerrp: i was never that impressed with last, i much prefered pandora until they locked Canada out

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meshe:

and last just started charging for people outside of the US/UK

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wagnerrp:

i thought they always charged for the customized streams

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meshe:

no, they just changed it

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meshe:

and they are killing all non-official players

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Crelam:

crelam 8619 0.0 0.0 3236 796 pts/0 R+ 22:02 0;00 grep mythbackend

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meshe:

so myth support would break their TOS so it probably won't be implemented (the streaming portion anyway)

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meshe:

Crelam: that means your backend isn't running

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wagnerrp:

thats not code, thats output from 'ps'

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meshe:

Crelam: what distro are you running

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Crelam:

I think i know why, let me try that again...

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meshe:

if that's all you got from that ps command i gave you, your backend isn't running, you'll need to start it

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Crelam:

Rebooting that system so I can run the command before and after attempting to 'watch tv'.

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meshe:

what distro of linux are you running and what version of myth?

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Crelam:

My initial fear is that its crashing the back end. Its Mythbuntu 8.10.

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wagnerrp:

just use the init scripts to start it back up

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wagnerrp:

should be /etc/init.d/mythbackend or /etc/init.d/start-mythbackend, or something like that

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wagnerrp:

or, theres likely something in the GUI to allow you to start it back up

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Crelam:

Ok, mythbackend appears to be running. Now i'll try to 'watch tv'.

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wagnerrp:

'ps ax | grep mythbackend' yielded a mythbackend? not just a 'grep mythbackend'?

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Crelam:

Correct.

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Crelam:

Ok, it hanged for about 30 secs and now the backend is no longer running.

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meshe:

mythbuntu 8.10 its: sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart

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Crelam:

It seems like its crashing the backend.

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wagnerrp:

so check your logs

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wagnerrp:

probably in /var/log/mythtv

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Crelam:

I see an error in the logs. 'ran out of free audio buffers'

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djhedges:

is there a way to have the video manager update the db from cmdline?

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mkrufky:

mythweb – Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 67108864 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 8192 bytes) ..... I hit this once before (but I have a lot more storage now, thus more recordings to list, causing this issue) .... . Which file has that limit set?

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mkrufky:

aha found it! /etc/apache2/sites-available/mythweb.conf: php_value memory_limit

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GreyFoxx:

djhedges: Nope

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GreyFoxx:

nothing built into myth will do that from the commandline

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GreyFoxx:

You could script it yourself of course, but myth doesn't currently have that option

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djhedges:

what is myth written in?

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GreyFoxx:

primarily c++

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djhedges:

ugh

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GreyFoxx:

with some c and asm mixed in, and php for mythweb

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GreyFoxx:

the c and asm being the libavcodec libraries

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djhedges:

that sux

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djhedges:

i wanted to add it to the end of hellanzb

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GreyFoxx:

I have no idea what that is

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GreyFoxx:

but it would be fairly simple to whip off a perl/bash script to insert stuff into it, but of course use at your own rish

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djhedges:

my msql isn't great

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djhedges:

that is an idea though

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meshe:

djhedges: google for it, someone has written a c++ app that uses the myth libraries to do a commandline update of mythvideo, it's not supported here though and i haven't tested it

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meshe:

written/hacked from existing myth code :)

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Crelam:

I wonder if my issue is hd space related. I am running the os off a 8gb sm card. Perhaps I need to make sure video storage is set to the actual 80gb hd.

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djhedges:

i found a couple but i might just live with it

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Crelam:

Still no picture however it did not crash the backend this time. I'll call that progress.

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wagnerrp:

Crelam: while certainly not ideal, 8GB would give you at least an hour of full bitrate digital recordings

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wagnerrp:

and far more of lesser bitrate, or analog recordings

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wagnerrp:

it not working has nothing to do with lack of hard drive space

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Digital7:

i'm having trouble getting mythtv to initialize my tuner — backend identifies it upon search, but frontend says tuner 1 unavailable – any input welcome

[03:00:44]

Digital7:

note: i am able to get sound/video via other apps, so i believe it's less likely to be a driver issue

[03:01:17]

Digital7:

if i actually try to 'watch tv', the main screen just flickers for a second and i'm back at the menu

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flyback:

celeron socket370 1ghz 256 mabye 512 meg ram

[03:05:00]

flyback:

what am I looking at speed wise compressing mpeg-2 to mpeg-4

[03:05:04]

flyback:

offline doesn't have to be realtime

[03:05:20]

flyback:

all I am looking for in this box is to dump the mpeg-2 output form my pvr250 to hd

[03:05:29]

flyback:

I can always recompress it over my lan with a faster box

[03:05:40]

flyback:

just curious if I wanted to let it do housekeeping when idle

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flyback:

and autorecompress

[03:07:22]

flyback:

or would a p3–700 be a vasty better offline mpeg-2 to mpeg-4 recompressor

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** flyback feels like lighting shooting thru his back from picking grandma off the floor **

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** flyback not going to sleep much tonight :/ **

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Digital7:

flyback: i'd say take a benchmark of them both, and see which scores higher (pcpitstop, for example)

[03:08:34]

Digital7:

flyback: or just try recompressing a file in virtualdub and time it

[03:08:45]

flyback:

well this would be all command line stuff :P

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flyback:

since the box is limited

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Digital7:

flyback: sorry if that's not much help, but i'm here trying to get help too :p

[03:08:54]

flyback:

it's fine

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flyback:

I appreciate suggestions

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Digital7:

flyback: yeah, i meant to test cpu speed though

[03:09:04]

flyback:

no big deal like I said this is just a backend mostly

[03:09:08]

Digital7:

flyback: you might see that one of them crunches numbers faster

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flyback:

so my main boxes don't need to be ready to record

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Digital7:

flyback: if you don't have an xserver or anything to test with, it reminds me..there are a few command line benchmarks for linux

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Digital7:

flyback: i can't recall the name anymore though

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flyback:

not a problem

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flyback:

going to be months away anyways

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flyback:

I wanted to do this yrs ago when I got the card

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flyback:

but health problems etc got in the way

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flyback:

since comcast is not dumping analog any time soon

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flyback:

going to keep using my pvr250 :)

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Digital7:

flyback: i had wanted to make a dedicated box too, back in 07

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Digital7:

flyback: i'm still set on doing it..when hardware permits

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caeroe:

is the kworld 120/x8000a install guide up-to-date? following it just sent me backwards. i had static, now i have no device found

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wombo1:

Does anybody know where I can change to UI painter from OpenGL to QT?

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wombo1:

but not from the normal user interface

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wombo1:

a config file of some sort

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iamlindoro_:

mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt

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wombo1:

thanks, ive just got to force close the current front end then I will give it a go

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iamlindoro_:

np

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caeroe:

is it "cx88_dvb" or "cx88-dvb" a saw a forum post saying it was a typo, they supposed to be underscores

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caeroe:

i saw *

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caeroe:

hmm well i'll try the other and reboot i'd hope someone knew

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iamlindoro_:

"Thanks again to Jean-Yves for his efforts"

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iamlindoro_:

sigh

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caeroe:

well... following that posted kworld120 guide is just setting me back. the device cannot be found now

[03:32:03]

mkrufky:

dont follow a kworld120 guide

[03:32:14]

mkrufky:

v4l2 devices use the v4l2 api

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mkrufky:

dvb devices use the dvb api

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mkrufky:

just use it, dont think too much

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mkrufky:

just have a recent enough kernel

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iamlindoro_:

But come on, what does mkrufky know about tuner's *really*

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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caeroe:

i figured i'd have to because i just got static, couldn't scan

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mkrufky:

i know that card doesnt support digital cable

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iamlindoro_:

Sadly true :)

[03:33:28]

iamlindoro_:

static on that card means you're using the wrong side of the card anyway

[03:33:38]

iamlindoro_:

No signal is better than static on a digital card

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caeroe:

i removed the stuff from rc.local gonna reboot again and start over

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** iamlindoro_ starts cheesing **

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iamlindoro_:

It's fon 2 due

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caeroe:

so hypothetically, a kworld 120 should just be detected with an up-to-date kernel?

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iamlindoro_:

2.6.26 or later, assuming support was compiled in to your kernel. You'd still need to install the firmware, however. If it wasn't built in to your kernel then you need to install v4l-dvb and the firmware.

[03:56:14]

iamlindoro_:

And as mkrufky mentioned, that card doesn't support digital cable, so antenna only

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caeroe:

this is atsc ota, i have xc3028-v27.fw in /lib/firmware is it the wrong one?

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iamlindoro_:

That's probably fine

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caeroe:

tuner status is blank i did something wrong, somewhere

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mkrufky:

nah, status being blank is probably driver programmer did something wrong, not you

[03:59:15]

mkrufky:

oh, wait... i retract that statement ... i think that uses the s5h1409 and it reports snr in 0.1 dB

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: on the DB upgrade that required deleting data... My patch that would have prevented him from upgrading and told him how to fix his DB isn't yet committed, so really, it's just as bad as it was before I did the work. :)

[03:59:31]

sphery:

only difference is that now I can respond and telling him /why/ his DB is broken.

[03:59:35]

sphery:

(and I did)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, Remind me never to give you credit again ;)

[03:59:40]

iamlindoro_:

yes, was just reading

[03:59:55]

sphery:

actually, your mentioning my name is the only reason I noticed that thread.

[04:01:10]

iamlindoro_:

pffffft

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caeroe:

eh... well i'll look. oddly mkrufky's chat logs showed up when i googled "s5h1409"

[04:02:22]

caeroe:

:)

[04:02:39]

iamlindoro_:

Thank you for getting in the dig re: the dev and commit lists, I am always awaiting backlash when I mention that

[04:02:40]

mkrufky:

caeroe: there's no need to google s5h1409

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mkrufky:

what do you want to know?

[04:03:23]

** mkrufky says it JustWorks (tm) **

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iamlindoro_:

CTRL-ALT-BCKSPC!

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caeroe:

i borked something, somewhere. i'm just trying to see what i messed up, and why the card cannot be detected

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mkrufky:

what an exit!

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp, Oh now you've done it

[04:07:27]

iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp, now that douchebag will have someone besides me to argue with :)

[04:07:54]

iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp, I predict that 100% of his argument (as always) will hinge on "well it works fine for ME... etc etc"

[04:09:04]

iamlindoro_:

You might also mention that VDPAU turns any corruption into a steaming pile of bat guano, but I'm not one to put words in your mouth...

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mkrufky:

man from tallahassee is on right now

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mkrufky:

"there is a box...."

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iamlindoro_:

All the LOST episodes are always on on my MythBox :)

[04:13:41]

mkrufky:

yeah i have this episode recorded from the original airing too

[04:13:53]

mkrufky:

but its on now too

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iamlindoro_:

I've been picking up the S2 stuff without any logos in the middle of the night on Sundays

[04:14:19]

iamlindoro_:

Season 2, that is

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mkrufky:

i dont like how they've been cutting them

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mkrufky:

inserting commercials in *not* the original break spots

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iamlindoro_:

Hmm, I haven't noticed that

[04:15:03]

iamlindoro_:

But man from Tall. isn't on here tonight, so maybe it's different

[04:15:04]

mkrufky:

yeah, i recommend that you do a spot check on them ....

[04:15:17]

mkrufky:

this is wabc_hd in nyc

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iamlindoro_:

"Orientation" is on tonight

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mkrufky:

interesting... "one of us" is on next

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mkrufky:

thats wierd, i think "one of us" is season2, and tallahasse is s3

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iamlindoro_:

"Orientation" tonight, and "Everybody hates Hugo" tomorrow

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mkrufky:

yikes, i hope people arent watching these episodes for the first time on these rebroadcasts ... they're playing them all out of order here

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iamlindoro_:

They're playing S02 serialized here on Sundays, at least for the last 3–4 weeks

[04:18:38]

iamlindoro_:

commercial breaks have been normal, no logos, and high bitrates

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mkrufky:

hmm, ok good

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caeroe:

eh... now it says "tuner 1 is unavailable" i guess that's something

[04:19:12]

mkrufky:

so many channels are playing this show now

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iamlindoro_:

G4, Sci Fi, ABC

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genii:

What is S02 ?

[04:20:22]

iamlindoro_:

Season 1

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iamlindoro_:

2

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genii:

Ah

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mkrufky:

oh, ok ... "one of us" is indeed season3

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caeroe:

well... it thinks there's a "generic" tuner device, but that's about it

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iamlindoro_:

caeroe, You're setting it up as DVB card type in Myth, right?

[04:42:05]

caeroe:

that gets me no where

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iamlindoro_:

That's the only "where" to go

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caeroe:

it still can't even find the card

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iamlindoro_:

is there a /dev/dvb directory?

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caeroe:

if i didn't dual boot, i'd half assume something was off with the hardware

[04:43:08]

caeroe:

nope

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iamlindoro_:

Then your card isn't installed properly

[04:43:38]

iamlindoro_:

what steps have you taken to install the drivers?

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iamlindoro_:

ie if it's not built into your kernel, have you downloaded and compiled v4l-dvb?

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caeroe:

maybe i need to do it again, i dunno

[04:46:39]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro_:.... :)

[04:48:19]

wagnerrp:

i wonder if anyone will catch the implication that the patches are just backports of code in trunk

[04:50:24]

iamlindoro_:

I noticed he decided to include the "interlacer deinterlacer"

[04:50:40]

iamlindoro_:

how many unofficial unauthorized patches does it take to make it a fork?

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caeroe:

redid v4l-dvb, nothing happened

[05:06:09]

caeroe:

thanks though, gonna just give up

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wagnerrp:

thats the spirit!

[05:10:18]

wagnerrp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHk2HSzXry0

[05:13:31]

iamlindoro_:

Well it *is* where babies come from

[05:14:33]

Anusien:

Wow, I feel cheated! My DVR has Firewire ports, but they never enabled them; they're literally just for show

[05:14:42]

wagnerrp:

so call and complain

[05:14:45]

wagnerrp:

they must be enabled

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iamlindoro_:

(assuming US)

[05:15:16]

wagnerrp:

right... too quick to assume that

[05:15:20]

iamlindoro_:

unfortunately channel change only counts as "enabled"

[05:15:40]

iamlindoro_:

whois 70.114.130.74

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iamlindoro_:

damnit

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wagnerrp:

well texas counts as the US

[05:16:07]

wagnerrp:

austin, to be more specific

[05:16:23]

wagnerrp:

anyway, at least it will get you around needing an ir blaster

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iamlindoro_:

The relevant FCC document is referenced on the wiki

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iamlindoro_:

call up and quote it and insist that they comply

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iamlindoro_:

And see what you end up with

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wagnerrp:

i need to dump the random server login for freenode

[05:18:56]

wagnerrp:

seems they connected me through italy

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caeroe:

well no mythtv is giving me a "cannot connect to database" since i rebooted after once again compiling v4l-dvb

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caeroe:

now^

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wagnerrp:

is the database running?

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caeroe:

and there's no /dev/dvb

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wagnerrp:

usually one compiles these things as modules, to forgo the need to reboot

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caeroe:

i'm just going in circles, done that

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wagnerrp:

what card?

[05:22:17]

wagnerrp:

kworld120...

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wagnerrp:

should be in 2.6.26 or newer

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wagnerrp:

just enable the 2388x (capture adapter) and S5H1409 (dvb frontend) drivers as modules, load them, and you should be set

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caeroe:

2.6.27–14

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wagnerrp:

youre following 'http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/KWorld_ATSC_120#Step_by_Step' ?

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wagnerrp:

if youre already running off a custom kernel, just build the modules, install the modules, run 'depmod', load the modules, and you should be done

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caeroe:

i was told to follow it, then told i don't need to follow it

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caeroe:

that i just need the firmware, and to compile v4l-dvb

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wagnerrp:

ignore v4l-dvb

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wagnerrp:

dont bother with it unless you have good reason not to use the in-kernel drivers (like the drivers not existing)

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** flyback is not sure he's going to make it thru the night with his sanity the pain is so bad **

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caeroe:

hmm well following any of that page sent me backwards.

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wagnerrp:

they wrote the drivers, i would trust them to know best

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caeroe:

i did that once before. nothing worked

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wagnerrp:

oof... no qam-256 on that card

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wagnerrp:

anyway, the firmware is here, http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Xceive_XC30 . . . he_Firmware, should you need it

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Anusien:

Sorry, back. Yeah, I called and complained and got nothing. Going to go in and probably end up swapping for a new box that it is enabled on.

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Anusien:

I see the relevant FCC document, that will help

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wagnerrp:

they have to provide functional firewire upon request, but theres nothing to say they cant just 5c encrypt everything

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Anusien:

That's probably more work than they want to do, esp. since they just get the boxes from Cisco

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iamlindoro_:

The 5C encryption has nothing to do with the physical box

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Anusien:

Oh. *shrug*

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iamlindoro_:

it's not a modification in hardware, it's aprt of the headend engineering

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Anusien:

I doubt they care; I'm "paying" for DVR anyway

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iamlindoro_:

Adn most people'

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iamlindoro_:

They care

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iamlindoro_:

most people get nothing or next to nothing via firewire

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Anusien:

Well then I guess we'll find out. I needed an excuse to replace that box anyway. It didn't have HDMI out

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iamlindoro_:

no matter what they pay for

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wagnerrp:

youre paying to store stuff on their hardware that they control

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Anusien:

interesting

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Anusien:

I've seen people in here rave about firewire before, but it sounds like it's less than awesome

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Anusien:

Man, I would love not having to fuck around with an IR Blaster. I avoided it the last time I had my tuner set up

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iamlindoro_:

It's awesome if you are one of the lucky people to get a lot via firewire. But that is more the exception than the rule.

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Anusien:

Anyway, calling their custserv got me a guy who could literally only read to me out of the manual, so I'll take the box in monday during my lunch break and see how far it goes

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wagnerrp:

much like qam, if you can get content off of it, its fantastic

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Anusien:

Well, we'll see. Apparently TWC in some other parts of Texas just added 5c

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Anusien:

Freenode rocks, etc

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wagnerrp:

you enjoy the frequent netsplits do you?

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sphery:

.sb c

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demonbob_:

Anyone get the HVR-1800 working with mythTV

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lyricnz:

(Recently?) Sometimes mythfrontend fails to start watching videos.

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lyricnz:

Looking at the mythfe console it says somethign about xv-blt not being available, falling back to opengl?

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** lyricnz has always been very disappointed with the quality/performance of this anyway **

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stonith:

Hi guys, I'm kinda in a stump and would like some advice. I'm currently running a server that serves as a backend/frontend in my living room in my apartment. I'm getting a new house, with 3 bedrooms, and thinking that I would like to set up frontends to each room. Currently there is only RG6 (coax) cable in those bedrooms. Is there anyway to incorporate RG6 with the frontends? They will...

[10:11:39]

stonith:

...eventually be hooked up to LCD televisions

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stonith:

Or is my best bet to run new network CAT5e into each room?

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waxhead:

hey everyone.. I'm having problems with getting decent output of mkv files...

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gbee:

lyricnz: sounds like a video driver bug

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waxhead:

anyone running irserver?

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waxhead:

I want to be able to restart mythfrontend, but it's not executing my script.

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trumee:

guys, i get a "Unknown Prefix" in mythvideo on a nfs mounted frontend

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trumee:

any idea why is that?

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stonith:

trumee: looks like you got your syntax wrong

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trumee:

stonith, what syntax?

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trumee:

i am able to play videos fine on this frontend

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trumee:

it can see all the files, but the first folder comes up as Unknown prefix

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buZz:

anyone awake with DVB-T experience?

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laga:

buZz: just ask your question

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buZz:

heh

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buZz:

ok, mplayer dvb://"Stationname" works fine (as mythtv user), but adding it to mythtv and scanning channels crashes and even adding channels.conf and scanning afterwards doesn't give me working TV

[11:51:27]

buZz:

http://pastebin.com/mc9f5eca <- nothing really errors out

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buZz:

besides DVBSM(0), Warning: Can not measure S/N

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buZz:

:/

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GrahamIRC:

iamlindoro_: are you there?

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GrahamIRC:

iamlindoro: are you there?

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buZz:

guess not ;)

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GrahamIRC:

:-/

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buZz:

he was hear last night

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buZz:

helpfull fellow

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GrahamIRC:

yes, most people are here

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buZz:

unfortunately no solution for me :(

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GrahamIRC:

he pinged me last night but I missed him

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GrahamIRC:

what's up?

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buZz:

added a DVB source, cant do anything with it

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buZz:

searching channels sorta works, but when i want to watch them, it just stays black

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buZz:

it works in mplayer fine

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buZz:

mythbackend -v all doesn't even have any pointers to why image is not coming :/

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GrahamIRC:

buZz: Hmm not sure I can help you there as I'm only just about to try DVB

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GrahamIRC:

but I guess if it's working in mplayer then there is hope

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buZz:

hope you'll have more success than me :)

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GrahamIRC:

perhaps myth is picking up the wrong device?

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buZz:

there is just one device :/

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GrahamIRC:

I've got a Freecom USB which seems to be supported

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bulle:

buZz: so, dont search with channels in myth, but use dvbtools and import the generated channels.conf

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bulle:

buZz: that way, you KNOW that you got good channels atleast

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bulle:

buZz: so one thing, you then, can rule out, as being the source of the problem

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GrahamIRC:

and more challengingly, a WinTV NOVA-HD-S2 for HighDef satellite which I think is just on the cusp of linux support

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buZz:

lemme do the full remove-add loop

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buZz:

i have the working channels.conf already made

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buZz:

its what mplayer is using

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buZz:

no :( still black

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buZz:

it also displays 'L___' in the bottom of the screen, does that imply it has lock?

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jarle:

In mythweb, under Settings -> (TV) -> My session there is a setting "Hour Format" to choose 12/24 hour time. However I still have to change the Date formats if I want 24H clock, I thought that was what the Hour format should take care of?

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buZz:

or that it thinks it can do 4 locks?

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sphery:

jarle: I'm here for a couple minutes... Did you figure out the answer you were looking for the other day?

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jarle:

sphery: I followed your list of things to do to get tmdb.pl to work in mythweb, but it seems like it is still using imdb.pl....

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sphery:

buZz: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.22

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jarle:

sphery: at least it *seems* like it is using imdb.pl

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sphery:

jarle: it's critical that you clear your MythWeb session... I haven't looked deeply to see what's required. Need to truncate mythweb_sessions (as I mentioned), but may also need to a) restart browser and b) restart apache server

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sphery:

if you select * from mythweb_sessions; do you see imdb.pl in there or tmdb.pl?

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sphery:

buZz: the spaces after the L are where things like "A" and "M" should go... Not having those means that Myth is unable to get the info it needs to play back the channel's video.

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sphery:

buZz: but see the HOWTO for the details.

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sphery:

jarle: My plan is to write the code that fixes the old imdb.pl in the mythweb_sessions, but I haven't actually gotten time, yet. Might do it today (especially if the rain means my beach volleyball gets cancelled).

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jarle:

sphery: (select * from mythweb_sessions;) does not show me either imdb.pl or tmdb.pl

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buZz:

but its a captital L

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buZz:

so that would imply it being locked

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buZz:

still it says 'Partial Lock' and comes with the popup after some time

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sphery:

buZz: because it still--after lock--hasn't seen any PAT/PMT (which are required) as well as the GV or NS you should see

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sphery:

so it can't play back

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jarle:

sphery: I had to change all my settings for mythweb (sorting of program listings, hour format etc) so I guess old settings was cleared OK..

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buZz:

sphery: so, increment the timeouts?

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sphery:

jarle: is it working, now?

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jarle:

buZz: you probably have to rescan your channels

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** buZz rescanned his channels about 40 times now **

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jarle:

sphery: no, I'll try restarting browser and apache..

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jarle:

sphery: you have it working I would assume?

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sphery:

jarle: No. I can't use MythWeb for video stuff (videos aren't available on my MythWeb host)

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sphery:

jarle: I'll look at it more later, but it should work once you reset the script name

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jarle:

sphery: If I have it working with tmdb.pl, mythweb should not provide me with any links to the imdb.com domain at all?

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jarle:

sphery: it does grab data, but no cover, and the links all say imdb.com.... so I'm guessing it still uses imdb.pl

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sphery:

I'll have to look at it more later.

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sphery:

I'll let you know once I've got a real patch.

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jarle:

great, I find mythweb much easier to use than the frontend when it comes to organizing videos

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jarle:

sphery: When you select the "IMDB" button for a video, you get a list of results in a popup and on the right side you get a link to the video page at imdb.com so I guess it uses imdb.pl....

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buZz:

well, channel scan 41 brought no new problems at least

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buZz:

no new solutions either

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jarle:

sphery: and restarting apache did not do the trick..

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cityLights1:

hi all, just want to say that as I use an ATI card , when I exit 0.21-fixes frontend – X restarts

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cityLights1:

this doesnt happen in trunk

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gbee:

driver bug

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justinh:

three car loads later & the loft is looking better for it :-)

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dustybin:

justinh: you could stick your backend in the loft

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cityLights1:

gbee: when you said driver bug – did you reffered to my remark?

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cityLights1:

I googled and did find some ppl cliaming they also has mythtv restart their X session

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cityLights1:

yet I didnt find any fix

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cityLights1:

1. is this a known issue or should I file a bug?

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buZz:

i'm not sure, but shouldn't 'freqid' be filled out in the channel table?

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buZz:

pff, i'm going to try vdr

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DarkDrgn2k:

Hye, are teh mythtv zoneminder plugins still being maintained?

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iamlindoro_:

GrahamIRC, I'm here now

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iamlindoro_:

Was wondering whether your audio track issues were primarily starting a video and having a non-english track selected by default.

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iamlindoro_:

DarkDrgn2k, They are still in trunk (unlike mythphone) but I wouldn't say they've seen any attention in a very long time

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cityLights1:

iamlindoro: hi

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darkd:

hmm sux

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GrahamIRC:

iamlindor_: Hello?

[16:14:57]

GrahamIRC:

iamlindoro_: Hello?

[16:15:16]

iamlindoro_:

I'm here

[16:15:32]

GrahamIRC:

hi

[16:15:42]

GrahamIRC:

I think you pinged me last night?

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iamlindoro_:

did you see my question? Asked it again 40 mintues or so ago

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GrahamIRC:

no, I think I missed it

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trumee:

guys, does i am on the lookout for a matx motherboard and came across Asus-M3N78-VM which has Geforce 8200. Can this card support vdpau or are there better onboard nvidia boards which have better vdpau support

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GrahamIRC:

about the internal player picking up the wrong audio track?

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iamlindoro_:

"<iamlindoro_> Was wondering whether your audio track issues were primarily starting a video and having a non-english track selected by default. "

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GrahamIRC:

yes that is the problem

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GrahamIRC:

mostly

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gbee:

trumee: supports vdpau

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GrahamIRC:

or at least it's a problem I'd like to solve with a command line option rather than having to use xine

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iamlindoro_:

GrahamIRC, Utilities/Setup->Setup->Appearance, Page 4

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gbee:

and FWIW I think it's a pretty decent board

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iamlindoro_:

Change "Guide Language #1" to your first language of choice

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iamlindoro_:

Change Guide Language #2 to your second choice

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trumee:

gbee: is there any board which has better nvidia onboard graphics? or is 8200 the best one can get onboard?

[16:18:18]

iamlindoro_:

Yes, this option is in the wrong spot, yes, it says nothing about audio. But it will cause you audio track selection to default to english

[16:18:25]

iamlindoro_:

I've already submitted a patch to improve the behavior

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GrahamIRC:

ok, well my first guide language is set to English

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trumee:

gbee, the reason i am asking is because i have read on wiki i think, that different cards support varying levels of vdpau like vc1 etc. not sure about it :)

[16:19:41]

gbee:

trumee: sure there are better ones – anything using the 9300/9400 for example, but it all depends what you want from it really – is the extra you'll spend on a 9xxx board worth the return? (that's upto you)

[16:19:49]

GrahamIRC:

and it only happens on a few videos so I'm not sure how else I could set this

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gbee:

trumee: 8200 supports vc1 (at least partial), h264 and mpeg2

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iamlindoro_:

Those few videos would have to have their tracks identified improperly, or the language descriptors not understood by libavcodec/foramt

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iamlindoro_:

As anything recognized as English should be selected automatically

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trumee:

gbee, i just want to be future safe. couldnt find any 8300/8400 matx motherboards on scan.co.uk

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wagnerrp:

everything supports VC1 now, nvidia moved the missing VC1 bits into the driver

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GrahamIRC:

that could well be the case although they were ripped from DVDs by myth

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GrahamIRC:

but there are other things that occassionally aren't correct like aspect ratio or size and it would just be really usefuly to have command line options for the Internal player for these few ocassions

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iamlindoro_:

GrahamIRC, that's just not going to happen

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GrahamIRC:

why is that?

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gbee:

wagnerrp: yeah, it just means that it's partial vs full offload to the GPU – but that's still enough for any reasonable CPU

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iamlindoro_:

Because myth is not a command line player, and never will be.

[16:23:06]

iamlindoro_:

There is a means of debugging the player, but it is not meant to be used as a regular command lin eplayer for regular use

[16:23:13]

wagnerrp:

gbee: i thought it got offloaded into CUDA code, and that the compressed stream was still sent directly to the video card

[16:23:54]

iamlindoro_:

If there are videos which display some incorrect behavior, then create samples and submit them with tickets so that the problem can be fixed at the source, not with a hack.

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GrahamIRC:

no I realise it's not an actually command line player, but I wouldn't have thought it would be too difficult to be able to pass commands to it before playback, as you can use the menu once playing to send it commands

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iamlindoro_:

GrahamIRC, It wouldn't be too difficult to make myth format your hard drive, but that wouldn't be consistent with what myth is either

[16:24:37]

wagnerrp:

it IS a command line player, in the form of 'mythtv'

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GrahamIRC:

I'm not sure how I can legally post a ripped dvd for analysis!

[16:24:43]

gbee:

wagnerrp: well I'd have to compare figures for VC1 to be sure – I see 30% cpu utilisation at 1000Mhz for VC1 – can't believe that's full offload (even if it's more than enough for smooth playback with even the crappiest CPU)

[16:24:48]

wagnerrp:

however mythvideo calls the video playback code directly

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iamlindoro_:

GrahamIRC, You post a dd'ed small sample that exhibits the same behavior

[16:25:05]

wagnerrp:

gbee: i really have no idea, just speculation

[16:25:19]

kormoc:

Or just post the audio stream information

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp, It is a player invoked from the command line, but is *not* meant to be used as such from mythtv-- it is *purely* for debugging

[16:25:35]

GrahamIRC:

lol, well I don't have the need for myth to reformat my HD, but I'm not sure I follow your point

[16:25:54]

trumee:

i want to have quick startup and shut down with the frontend. Is it better to go diskless or should i have a small disk attached to the frontend?

[16:25:57]

GrahamIRC:

sometimes myth will get it wrong – what's wrong with allow the user to override it's behaviour with what THEY want it to do?

[16:26:10]

iamlindoro_:

GrahamIRC, They *can* override it, though the menu

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kormoc:

GrahamIRC, you have that option via the menus

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wagnerrp:

trumee: there really isnt any quick startup with linux

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kormoc:

GrahamIRC, and who mentioned formatting?

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GrahamIRC:

indeed, but by then the player is playing incorrectly

[16:26:28]

wagnerrp:

your best option would be trying to get standby working

[16:26:34]

iamlindoro_:

GrahamIRC, And if that's necessary, then samples should be submitted so that the override becomes unnecessary

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trumee:

wagnerrp, you mean hibernate to ram?

[16:27:08]

wagnerrp:

but if you do need to shut down, a small CF card would probably provide the fastest boot up, short of a full SSD

[16:27:14]

GrahamIRC:

I don't want users who aren't familiar with myth to have to use the menu to correct the sound etc

[16:27:15]

kormoc:

GrahamIRC, the point being you can't claim there's no way to override it when there's a way to override it...

[16:27:19]

gbee:

GrahamIRC: if myth gets it _really_ wrong then it should be fixed – allowing 'power' users to play around in the background to fix the issue doesn't benefit everyone else who doesn't have that knowledge

[16:27:27]

wagnerrp:

'hibernate' means dump the ram to disk and shutdown

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kormoc:

GrahamIRC, and you're in charge of the project?

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wagnerrp:

i mean S3, suspend to ram

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trumee:

wagnerrp, ah ok! i meant suspend to Ram :)

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GrahamIRC:

why so aggressive kormoc?

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iamlindoro_:

He doesn't seem aggressive, we're all telling you the same thing

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gbee:

one of the bigger problems with a lot of linux/open source apps is that everyone wants shortcuts so _they_ can fix it (even if the newbie is SOL)

[16:28:36]

GrahamIRC:

I agree that myth should be perfected to get it right

[16:28:39]

wagnerrp:

trumee: relatively modern boards usually allow you to wake on USB, so you can wake up with your remote

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iamlindoro_:

myth wasn't/isn't developed as a command line player-- the whole idea of myth is that is should "just work" in an appliance-style way

[16:28:52]

GrahamIRC:

but what if the needed info just isnt in the video file?

[16:28:59]

iamlindoro_:

adding switches to make Internal into mplayer is inconsistent with the aim of the project

[16:29:10]

trumee:

wagnerrp, that will be cool. i have a philips mceusb2 remote

[16:29:20]

wagnerrp:

should work fine

[16:29:27]

kormoc:

GrahamIRC, so rip it as a single, correct audio track?

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iamlindoro_:

GrahamIRC, Based on what you've managed to communicate so far, I'm not confident you would even know if that was the case

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wagnerrp:

theres some sysfs/acpi calls you may have to set up to get the USB ports in the proper modes

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GrahamIRC:

so a personal insult is the way to solve it?

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iamlindoro_:

I'm not insulting you in the least

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wagnerrp:

sadly, my FE machine only supports wake-from-S1 over USB

[16:30:39]

iamlindoro_:

I'm saying there are very smart people involved in this project who probably stand a greater shot of making it behave properly than you (or I) can

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wagnerrp:

and S1 is next to useless

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kormoc:

GrahamIRC, statements about perceived skill/knowledge are not insults...

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CCFL_Man2:

wagnerrp: it is

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iamlindoro_:

But that's impossible to do without samples

[16:31:08]

iamlindoro_:

we get loads of complaints about player behaviors, but almost *never* backed up with samples

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CCFL_Man2:

err, oops

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trumee:

wagnerrp, i want to use my full profile pci card, i guess i need a "cube case"

[16:31:25]

iamlindoro_:

and adding a hack when fixing things properly is the right/easier solution isn't the right way to go

[16:31:31]

GrahamIRC:

and I agree with your points about making it work so that people don't have to tinker with it

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wagnerrp:

trumee: PCI... tuner?

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GrahamIRC:

I'm not really talking about a hack – just options

[16:31:58]

kormoc:

that option *is* a hack

[16:32:05]

GrahamIRC:

how?

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iamlindoro_:

GrahamIRC, Once more, adding command line switches to the internal player is inconsistent with what myth *is*

[16:32:09]

GrahamIRC:

is allowing people to use xine a hack?

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iamlindoro_:

IMO, yes

[16:32:20]

iamlindoro_:

but that's a different discussion

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trumee:

wagnerrp, sound card.

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kormoc:

the internal player isn't designed to work correctly in that matter

[16:32:41]

GrahamIRC:

to me Myth is about a home media system that works

[16:32:54]

GrahamIRC:

and for some things I use xine, because the internal player just doesn't work

[16:32:59]

kormoc:

the stand-alone player has it's own share of bugs that don't matter cause it's a debugging tool

[16:32:59]

wagnerrp:

trumee: if thats the only card you need in the system, you can get L-adapters to let you use a full size card in a slim case

[16:33:04]

iamlindoro_:

GrahamIRC, value of opinion on how myth should work is proportional to the amount of code you have in myth :)

[16:33:05]

trumee:

wagnerrp, also might add a full profile graphics card in the future

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kormoc:

there's a fair bit of work involved to actually make that player ready for the end user

[16:33:16]

wagnerrp:

the card then mounts parallel to the board

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GrahamIRC:

I wish the internal player worked for everything and I'm sure one day it will, but until then I'm glad I have options to use xine

[16:33:23]

trumee:

wagnerrp, L adaptors never heard of these before

[16:33:57]

wagnerrp:

it plugs into a PCI slot, and then gives you 1–2 PCI slots at a 90-deg angle

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GrahamIRC:

lol, well sure that's democracy by programming iamlindoro_ lol

[16:34:11]

iamlindoro_:

GrahamIRC, That's exactly why that option still exists, but it doesn't change the fact that making Internal into a full fledged switch-taking command line player is never going to happen because it is counter to the aims of the project

[16:34:18]

trumee:

wagnerrp, wow that will be cool.

[16:34:25]

wagnerrp:

they usually come with the case, since the case has to be designed to use it

[16:34:34]

GrahamIRC:

and I've programmed enough to know that different people use apps differently and a lot can be gained by listening to others ideas

[16:34:43]

iamlindoro_:

And it's quite frustrating to some of us that people would rather talk all day about how it should work/how they want it to work than submit short samples

[16:34:59]

trumee:

wagnerrp, they must come with expensive cases then. i am looking for a cheap case :)

[16:35:20]

iamlindoro_:

GrahamIRC, We all do this in our spare time-- I quite often snag good ideas-- in fact, the other night I submitted a patch to improve audio track selection *based* on discussion with you

[16:35:30]

iamlindoro_:

but when people disagree, the people doing the work win by default

[16:35:31]

GrahamIRC:

cool :-)

[16:35:49]

GrahamIRC:

it's not really a case of win or lose is it?

[16:35:54]

GrahamIRC:

we're all here cos we love Myth

[16:36:01]

iamlindoro_:

It's a case of who gets their way ;)

[16:36:45]

iamlindoro_:

anyway, if you want to see the behavior improved, I suggest 20–30 MB samples made with DD

[16:36:47]

iamlindoro_:

er dd

[16:36:49]

GrahamIRC:

I was just posting my opinion that the functionallity of the myth player as it stands nowcould be improved by allowing me to specify what sound track to select without having to use the menu

[16:38:16]

GrahamIRC:

if I were to make that code change I probably have zero chance of getting in to the distribution because whoever "owns" that piece of code disagrees with me

[16:38:31]

iamlindoro_:

That is likely true

[16:38:47]

iamlindoro_:

But you shouldn't be coding it for anyone else anyway

[16:39:03]

iamlindoro_:

If it gets in, awesome, but if it has value to you there is something to be gained

[16:39:04]

gbee:

don't _have_ to use the menu, you've got -/+ to change audio tracks too :p

[16:39:15]

GrahamIRC:

so my only recourse is to discuss here in the hope that the functionality either exists and I missed it, or that the person who does own that piece can see that it would be of value to others

[16:39:39]

GrahamIRC:

but I don't want to have to maintain my own split of mythtv!

[16:39:59]

GrahamIRC:

not really helpful gbee lol

[16:40:06]

iamlindoro_:

FWIW, If *I* was writing what you want, I would add mythUISpinboxes to the Edit Metadata screen to choose the track number overrides, rather than command line switches

[16:40:11]

kormoc:

or you could just re-encode the audio down to the single track you want

[16:40:19]

kormoc:

save diskspace as well

[16:40:39]

GrahamIRC:

yes that would work equally well iamlindoro_

[16:40:55]

wagnerrp:

trumee: see http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163088 for an example

[16:40:56]

GrahamIRC:

I will probably do that too kormoc

[16:41:20]

GrahamIRC:

but the problem seems to be with ones ripped my mythtv where I did specify which audio track I wanted at rip time

[16:41:24]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: messy but much better than command line nonsense

[16:41:40]

GrahamIRC:

so the problem does seem to be within myth itself, either in rip or playback

[16:41:44]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, Don't get me wrong, I'm not doing anything like that-- I'd rather fix the source of the problem

[16:41:47]

trumee:

wagnerrp, i was looking at this http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135582

[16:42:15]

gbee:

GrahamIRC: probably ripping and if a bug report is opened it should eventually get fixed

[16:42:23]

wagnerrp:

heres one with 2xPCI and 1xPCIe on a riser card... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133029

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GrahamIRC:

I agree a per video options page is much better than a command line

[16:42:38]

gbee:

dependant on when you ripped those DVDs, it may have already been fixed

[16:42:49]

GrahamIRC:

very true

[16:43:04]

GrahamIRC:

was rather hoping not to have to re-rip them tho lol

[16:43:09]

iamlindoro_:

If the ripping isn't setting the language descriptors (assuming the output container supports them) then that's a clear bug

[16:43:10]

trumee:

wagnerrp, these are too posh :)

[16:43:43]

GrahamIRC:

mind you it's not always the wrong language

[16:43:59]

GrahamIRC:

sometimes it's just select a DD2.0 track instead of the DTS5.1 that I wanted

[16:44:11]

trumee:

wagnerrp, do you think the one is posted can take a full profile pci-ex and two pci cards?

[16:44:24]

iamlindoro_:

There are a lot of things about DVD ripping in myth I'd like to see improved, but I've mostly moved away from DVDs so it's not terribly high on my priority list

[16:44:25]

mkrufky:

here's a very vague question, so i apologize.... the answer to this might get me involved in mythtv development. i just want to know if ther channel editing capability has improved at all between 0.21 and trunk

[16:44:30]

GrahamIRC:

and this is something it's not so easy to autodetect as it will depend on the frontend that's being sued

[16:44:30]

wagnerrp:

GrahamIRC: it probably just picks the first track in the list, meaning whoever muxed the video ordered them wrong

[16:44:31]

GrahamIRC:

used

[16:45:00]

kormoc:

I personally just use dd to 'rip' my dvds, that never screws up

[16:45:03]

trumee:

is this for a full profile card or a half profile http://image.ebuyer.com/UK/R0135582-03.jpg ?

[16:45:08]

janneg:

mkrufky: thechannel editing in the frontend or in mythtv-setup

[16:45:09]

iamlindoro_:

mkrufky, Most things are getting incremental improvements as they move to MythUI, and channel editing has been overhauled too

[16:45:10]

gbee:

mkrufky: in what way? There have been changes but without being more specific I can't say if it's what you are looking for

[16:45:34]

mkrufky:

i was thinking mythtv-setup, i didnt know there was *any* channel editing inside mythtv frontend

[16:45:54]

wagnerrp:

trumee: that picture seems to show 4 full height expansion slots

[16:46:10]

trumee:

wagnerrp, ah that is good then.

[16:46:38]

iamlindoro_:

mkrufky, What in particular were you curious about?

[16:46:45]

wagnerrp:

mkrufky: well you can always use mythbrowser to access mythweb, and do your channel editing through there

[16:46:53]

mkrufky:

here is one gripe i have — i have at least 4 muxes that have no service info, but its in the clear qam SD digital streams ..... when scanning for channels, mythtv sees it as "1008–0" and just updates the "1008–0" channel forty or so times, i only get 1 channel even though there are 35–40 clear services, so ... the only way i can get those channels is directly editing via phpmyadmin

[16:46:55]

janneg:

mkrufky: there's limited channel editing during live-tv. try pressing 'e'

[16:47:07]

trumee:

wagnerrp, do you think i can use a ASUS M3N78-VM with it. Will the rear input fit in the case

[16:47:08]

mkrufky:

janneg: that is stream editing, no?

[16:47:29]

iamlindoro_:

mkrufky, Some of that may be resolved by daniel's channelscan branch

[16:47:29]

mkrufky:

wagnerrp: mythweb lets you edit existing channels, but doesnt let you add new ones

[16:47:35]

wagnerrp:

trumee: is that a micro-atx board?

[16:47:37]

mkrufky:

ah interesting

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iamlindoro_:

which is a rewrite of the channel scanning code

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gbee:

mkrufky: when in live tv some basic information can be edited from an OSD menu (name, callsign, number, xmltvid) – mostly aimed at analogue users who can step through each channel to see what it is before filling out the details which would be populated automatically for digital users

[16:47:52]

mkrufky:

ah, ok cool gbee .....

[16:47:54]

trumee:

wagnerrp, yes http://www.ebuyer.com/product/152752

[16:48:16]

wagnerrp:

trumee: well then it will fit

[16:48:26]

wagnerrp:

what were you concerned about?

[16:48:58]

mkrufky:

the specific issue id like to address is clear qam services that lack service info — id like a blank channel inserted into the tables (at least) so that i can insert the missing info myself.......... as it is now, i have to find some old bogus channel listing and change the crucial info on it and then i get my channels ..... but i know that i can screw EVERYTHING up if im not careful

[16:49:03]

wagnerrp:

trumee: are you talking about the rear IO-panel on the motherboard

[16:49:08]

janneg:

mkrufky: that's looks like it's a channel scan problem, the channel scanner is currently being reworked

[16:49:31]

mkrufky:

awesome ... so i will have patience ..... hopefully the new stuff will suit me better :-)

[16:49:38]

trumee:

wagnerrp, yes i am. i was wondering if the motherboards rear IO-panel might be big

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wagnerrp:

trumee: have you ever built a computer before?

[16:49:55]

mkrufky:

meanwhile, i found SOOOOOOoooo many channels last night ... i hope these are static clear qam channels and not SDV

[16:50:29]

trumee:

wagnerrp, yes couple of times. but only tower cases

[16:50:57]

kormoc:

trumee, IO Panels are always the same size, cause if they' weren't, well then you stuff wouldn't plug into them...

[16:50:58]

wagnerrp:

then you know that motherboards come with an IO-shield that pops into a standard rectangular slot at the back

[16:51:24]

gbee:

kormoc: ^^

[16:51:40]

trumee:

wagnerrp, kormoc: thanks i was confirming it.

[16:51:43]

janneg:

mkrufky: the muxes have no additional infomation except PAT+PMT? does dvbscan find the channels?

[16:51:44]

wagnerrp:

ATX, ITX, BTX, whatever, all have one standard size

[16:52:11]

wagnerrp:

if a manufacturer wants to have more outputs, they need to make a header on the board, and a expansion bracket to connect to it

[16:52:38]

mkrufky:

janneg: w_scan finds the channels, but they show up like this ":399012500:QAM_256:413:414:2" instead of this "TNTHD_N:639000000:QAM_256:1006:1007:2"

[16:52:45]

iamlindoro_:

janneg, A lot of the American providers leave the basic stuff in the clear but don't put *any* PSIP info on it

[16:52:53]

mkrufky:

janneg: in other words, no callsign, no channel name

[16:52:58]

iamlindoro_:

they really go out of their way to not give more than they are legally required to

[16:53:24]

mkrufky:

janneg: this is how most QAM digital cable is ..... most users have 40+ services in the clear, but they can only find 10 or so, due to missing callsigns, etc

[16:54:03]

wagnerrp:

those channels with missing callsigns are often VOD channels, that are relatively worthless to mythtv

[16:54:15]

janneg:

iamlindoro_: even without PAT+PMT? PAT and PMT only gives no callsigns or names

[16:54:18]

iamlindoro_:

They are just as often not VOD, though

[16:55:00]

wagnerrp:

i know last time i did a scan outside of mythtv, i got a bunch of extra channels, all with no current streams

[16:55:18]

iamlindoro_:

janneg, Ah, here I get PAT+PMT, but I wonder whether mkrufky is seeing another one of the channel scanning bugs (like the one that ignores the whole mux if the first channel is encrypted)

[16:55:40]

janneg:

only ATSC or DVB SI would give sensible callsigns

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iamlindoro_:

That's not so

[16:56:00]

iamlindoro_:

You can get callsigns from the PSIP data on QAM

[16:56:06]

mkrufky:

sorry i got distracted....

[16:56:14]

iamlindoro_:

I get them for about 25% of my stuff on QAM and have to do the rest manually

[16:56:30]

mkrufky:

iamlindoro — yes, it ignores the whole mux if any encrypted services are found

[16:57:12]

mkrufky:

iamlindoro – but also there are sum muxes that have no encrypted services — they get scanned, and then updated later by a different mux.... for some reason EVERY mux that is missing the service info, they all show up at 1008

[16:57:17]

mkrufky:

s/"at"/"as"/1

[16:57:23]

janneg:

I also suspect a bug, since channels referenced in the PAT and with PMT should be recognized by the scanner

[16:57:29]

iamlindoro_:

mkrufky, yeah, there's no doubt the scanner has some... issues

[16:57:35]

mkrufky:

this particular issue has ALWAYS existed for me

[16:57:44]

mkrufky:

i just finally decided that i want my clear qam SD channels

[16:57:53]

iamlindoro_:

mkrufky, But danielk should (I think) be aware of most of the common ones

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mkrufky:

ok

[16:58:07]

iamlindoro_:

It probably wouldn't hurt to ask him, though :)

[16:58:33]

gbee:

make sure he's aware otherwise the problem may persist into 0.22 with the new scanner

[16:58:37]

janneg:

mkrufky: you could try to import the channels.conf w_scan produces

[16:58:43]

mkrufky:

i just wish it was easier to test trunk without disrupting my existsing system

[16:59:05]

iamlindoro_:

mkrufky, If you were interested, the branch to test would be the channel scanner branch

[16:59:29]

mkrufky:

thanks

[16:59:29]

iamlindoro_:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/mythtv-channel-scan

[16:59:31]

gbee:

new scanner isn't in trunk anyway, it's in it's own branch still

[17:00:02]

gbee:

but the branch is sync'd with trunk (well last sync was a while back), so same difference

[17:00:03]

janneg:

mkrufky: don't you have a spare computer with a qam card?

[17:00:12]

mkrufky:

i have tons

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iamlindoro_:

It probably wouldn't be a bad thing for a v4l-dvb guy to be poking at it :)

[17:01:01]

mkrufky:

for some reason i am inept at building trunk myself

[17:01:09]

mkrufky:

lol ... thats my problem, not yours

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky, if it's for purposes of working on/helping out with the channel scanner, we/I could probably be convinced to walk you through getting it built

[17:02:40]

sphery:

ah, gbee locked #2468 , so I can't put links to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/231851#231851 and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/231852#231852 in the thread for reference... :)

[17:03:02]

sphery:

(i.e. so users will see why they shouldn't re-report the loss of subtitles)

[17:03:16]

mkrufky:

ok, you'll be around for a while today, iamlindoro_ ? im willing to do this, but i have to decide which machine to break down first

[17:03:32]

iamlindoro_:

mkrufky, Yeah, taking the dog to the park just now, but I should be around after that

[17:03:52]

mkrufky:

k, itll be at least an hour before i'll be ready for that anyway

[17:03:59]

sphery:

if I had FuzzyWuzzy's e-mail address, I'd send him the links

[17:04:06]

iamlindoro_:

That's fine, you can just PM and we'll keep it out of the channel

[17:04:14]

mkrufky:

ok cool – thanks

[17:04:27]

iamlindoro_:

np

[17:06:52]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6382 is still open ("2nd Recording On Same Tuner Does Not Use Optional Start Padding"). Amazing how long it's been in there without being marked invalid. :)

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mkrufky:

how do *most* people find channels on qam that arent found by the scanners? im using tsreader to find them manually .....

[17:10:34]

kormoc:

I would say most people likely just don't

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cityLights2:

hi sphery

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mkrufky:

....and i wish there was a tsreader for linux — that would rock

[17:11:01]

cityLights2:

I asked you yesterday about utf8 in mysql and 0.21

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wagnerrp:

im currently running the built in scanner in my HDHR to see if it picks up anything additional

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cityLights2:

I got an old ati card, and when I quit the front end of 0.21-fixes the X session restarts

[17:11:57]

cityLights2:

this doesnt happen at the trunck version

[17:12:10]

cityLights2:

is this a known issue?

[17:13:36]

wagnerrp:

youre running the frontend on an existing X session?

[17:14:26]

gbee:

if X dies, it's not myth's fault – it's X (or the video driver) or config related, but myth doesn't kill X

[17:14:54]

cityLights2:

gbee: I am sure that you know what you mean

[17:15:07]

gbee:

and no, it's not an issue I've heard of (except when people are running X sessions that are dependant on myth)

[17:15:24]

cityLights2:

I am running the frontend in a window on a exsisting X session,

[17:15:33]

wagnerrp:

when you start X, X will run a program... when that program closes and returns to X, X shuts down

[17:15:34]

kormoc:

so what's X

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kormoc:

's logs say?

[17:16:04]

wagnerrp:

aside from that, ive had X die occasionally when i close the frontend, on both trunk and -fixes

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wagnerrp:

but neither have been anything like consistent enough for me to have motivation to try to track down the issue

[17:17:05]

cityLights2:

so for the same install of 0.21 p19961-r1 I get no issues on a pc with nvidia mx400

[17:17:25]

cityLights2:

but the issue is cossistent on the pc with the ati

[17:17:44]

cityLights2:

wagnerrp: do you use an ati gfx card?

[17:17:51]

wagnerrp:

ATI has always had flakey drivers, theyre inly in the last year or two getting better

[17:17:56]

cityLights2:

should I report it ?

[17:17:57]

wagnerrp:

no, nVidia

[17:18:09]

wagnerrp:

does it happen every time?

[17:18:21]

wagnerrp:

or at least in some repeatable manner?

[17:18:21]

cityLights2:

I am using the open source radeon driver not the closed

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cityLights2:

every time with 0.21

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wagnerrp:

the OS driver doesnt even have Xv support does it?

[17:18:54]

cityLights2:

but as it is fine with trunk – I guess – no one will fix it

[17:19:08]

cityLights2:

i got xv

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cityLights2:

I think

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cityLights2:

otherwise tvtime wouldnt show tv

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wagnerrp:

tvtime should have a direct X11 fallback

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cityLights2:

I compiled with ggdb so I can run a trace..

[17:20:11]

cityLights2:

but using 0.22 is easy

[17:20:31]

wagnerrp:

looks like it does have support

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sphery:

cityLights2: yeah, as others have said, the problem is almost definitely your video drivers

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sphery:

cityLights2: you can find out if you have Xv support by running xvinfo

[17:21:56]

sphery:

no adapters found is bad news

[17:22:06]

sphery:

if you have an AMD 780G, you have no Xv

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sphery:

(though I think it may be possible to get Xv with AMD 780G if you use radeonhd /and/ dri)

[17:22:53]

cityLights2:

I am using x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati 6.12.0

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sphery:

haven't actually installed them to verify that it works, yet, on mine (I just don't do video on my laptop)

[17:23:03]

sphery:

that's radeon driver

[17:23:07]

sphery:

not radeonhd

[17:23:14]

sphery:

but the important question is what chipset?

[17:23:22]

gbee:

fglrx doesn't support 780G? Am I getting confused by bad version numbering?

[17:23:25]

sphery:

(or what video card)

[17:23:41]

sphery:

gbee: yeah, fglrx supports 780G, but he's running the FOSS drivers

[17:23:45]

cityLights2:

here is my xvinfo guys http://rafb.net/p/pfuYel48.html

[17:23:55]

sphery:

cityLights2: and, as gbee implies, fglrx is probably your best bet.

[17:24:02]

wagnerrp:

oh yeah! love those 500kbps channels!

[17:24:28]

sphery:

so, you're good... you have Xv

[17:24:39]

sphery:

but, there's a bug in there that's triggered when Myth exits

[17:25:00]

cityLights2:

I am using 2.6.27 kernel and can't install the ati closed source driver, aka fglrx

[17:25:18]

sphery:

(i.e. bug is not in Myth, but in drivers, but something Myth does actually triggers the bug--so bug reports should go to the radeon team, not Myth)

[17:25:41]

sphery:

but you'll likely need to do a /lot/ more debugging to find out exactly what/why you're getting the crash before reporting to them.

[17:26:01]

cityLights2:

i c

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sphery:

so, if you're stuck with that driver, then just don't shut down mythfrontend :)

[17:26:46]

cityLights2:

sphery: does my xvinfo paste means I am using xv?

[17:27:18]

sphery:

and, make sure that your system isn't configured such that X runs until Myth exits... I.e. you said it happens on an existing session, but basically, if you have any kind of auto-starting of mythfrontend, then it's not an "existing session"

[17:27:27]

sphery:

yeah, you're using xv

[17:27:40]

cityLights2:

buying a nvidia 7600gs agp card to this pc, is third the cost of a new motherboad+cpu+ram with onbpard 8200

[17:27:50]

wagnerrp:

i seem to have both a SD and a HD feed for NBC

[17:27:53]

sphery:

that's also an option...

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cityLights2:

sphery: I am not using any auto-starting

[17:28:31]

sphery:

ok, just making sure we're all on the same page

[17:28:56]

cityLights2:

I need to know, is nvidia xvmc going to offload my cpu?

[17:29:17]

cityLights2:

does it make sense investing NOW in a 7600gs that supports nvidia xvmc?

[17:29:37]

sphery:

heh, there's one more case (that hasn't been mentioned in the thread) where the behavior is exactly as described in "Ubuntu restore & unable to get past "select yourpreferred language" screen"... I /really/ wish for that guy's sake I could remember it...

[17:29:50]

sphery:

cityLights2: XvMC is garbage, IMHO

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cityLights2:

10x

[17:30:19]

sphery:

if you get nvidia with the idea of hardware decode, get a VDPAU-capable card, then when 0.22 is released, you'll use it for a little while, then realize that you're better off with software decoding

[17:30:46]

sphery:

software decode ftw!

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Sulx:

0.21+vdpau patches worked better than 0.22 :P

[17:35:43]

wagnerrp:

thats because 0.22 does not exist

[17:35:51]

Sulx:

ok trunk then

[17:35:52]

wagnerrp:

and trunk has chunks of unfinished parts

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Sulx:

true

[17:36:04]

wagnerrp:

and the vdpau patches are largely the same code as whats in trunk

[17:36:13]

Sulx:

true also

[17:36:44]

Sulx:

still trunk is giving strange high cpu usage with vdpau. Still trying to trace the problem

[17:37:11]

justinh:

if you see high cpu usage you ain't actually using vdpau

[17:37:16]

wagnerrp:

if trunk is giving you high cpu usage on vdpau, youre going it wrong

[17:37:31]

wagnerrp:

either you have a painfully old CPU, or its not enabled

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Sulx:

its enabled and thats the weird part

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wagnerrp:

hey, i do get c-span unencrypted... more channels not to watch

[17:43:31]

wagnerrp:

and... a third copy of NBC?

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justinh:

****ing MusicBrainz. Turned classical composer names into ****ing Martian or something

[17:52:24]

sid3windr:

? :)

[17:52:40]

wagnerrp:

the local school district has their own cable access channel?

[17:53:52]

wagnerrp:

im interested what this one channel is, 600kbps for a blank feed

[17:54:03]

sid3windr:

videoconferencing? :)

[17:54:51]

** iamlindoro_ is suddenly really glad he wasn't around 30 minutes ago when people were talking ignorant crap **

[17:55:08]

wagnerrp:

HAHAHAHA

[17:55:20]

wagnerrp:

im watching this channel that seems to be full of commercials, to figure out what it is

[17:55:20]

justinh:

sid3windr: it's Russian I think. ****ing egotarded muzakbrainiacs

[17:55:56]

wagnerrp:

and theres an ad, 'who watches a channel full of nothing but commercials? serious buyers! advertise on us!'

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, You should explain what's wrong with the ticket in the ticket and you'd get your wish

[17:56:40]

justinh:

"muhhh, if the composer/artist/whoever isn't English then their name shall be spelled out in whatever their native heiroglyphs are."

[17:56:56]

Digital7:

mythtv will not initialize my tuner (AverMedia Hybrid Volar Max) – when I try to 'watch tv' the screen flashes and stays at the main menu – any input welcomed

[17:57:10]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: yeah, I probably should

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justinh:

Digital7: testing tuners work outside of mythtv first is usually the best idea

[17:57:25]

Digital7:

justinh: it works from a bash script that comes with the drivers

[17:57:37]

justinh:

ah so PEBCAK then

[17:57:38]

Digital7:

justinh: as well as in tvtime (though it doesn't support ATSC, i only see the analog channels)

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Digital7:

justinh: i don't think this is a user error, it happens on two different machines

[17:58:23]

iamlindoro_:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6404

[17:58:28]

iamlindoro_:

FRWOP!

[17:59:54]

iamlindoro_:

"FRWOP" is fun sounding, I'm going to use it all the time when there's a (F)eature (R)equest (W)ith(O)ut (P)atch.

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Digital7:

justinh: i've already burned out most of the relevant forums posts as well – and attempted everything i can think of off hand

[17:59:57]

sphery:

FRWAP?

[18:00:02]

justinh:

Digital7: well, you should be looking for clues in mythtv's backend log first of all

[18:00:16]

Digital7:

justinh: where's that located? i'd love to

[18:00:16]

sphery:

oh, I was thinking Feature Request Without A Patch

[18:00:19]

iamlindoro_:

sphery, FRWAP would be the opposite

[18:00:25]

justinh:

try in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log – but the actual location varies by distro

[18:00:27]

sid3windr:

heheh

[18:00:29]

iamlindoro_:

sphery, or that

[18:00:31]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: but without is one word

[18:00:43]

iamlindoro_:

sphery, commonly abbreviated w/o

[18:00:46]

sid3windr:

w/o isn't!

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sid3windr:

FRW/OP!

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justinh:

how about just UWAC ?

[18:01:02]

sid3windr:

haha

[18:01:05]

gbee:

makes more sense to merge in nuvexport functionality or at the very least, base it upon mythtranscode/mythlibav*

[18:01:12]

sid3windr:

because you don't know if it should be UWOAC, justinh

[18:01:24]

sid3windr:

I think USC would be better then =)

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iamlindoro_:

gbee, I'm definitely in favor of that, hope the transcoder proxy thing takes off

[18:01:45]

sphery:

if we do syllables, we could call it, (F)ea(T)ure (R)e(Q)uest (W)ith(O)ut (P)atch – FTRQWOP

[18:01:45]

Digital7:

justinh: "AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 1.0 GB w/freq: 15 min" – is this simply the storage group location, or in general?

[18:02:01]

gbee:

nah, USMC

[18:02:10]

sid3windr:

usmc?

[18:02:11]

justinh:

Digital7: all recording groups

[18:02:18]

sid3windr:

mine was for "User Sans Clue", what's yours? ;)

[18:02:24]

sphery:

ah, sans...

[18:02:25]

justinh:

SMD ?

[18:02:28]

sphery:

was working on that

[18:02:50]

justinh:

GOYKASMD,B

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gbee:

US Marine Corps

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sid3windr:

:>

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gbee:

yes, it's silly, but it's in the spirit ;)

[18:03:48]

iamlindoro_:

Hardcore! Your corps! My corps! Marine corps!

[18:04:10]

** iamlindoro_ user to work/train with a lot of marines :) **

[18:04:16]

iamlindoro_:

used, that is

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sphery:

you know you're getting too much spam when you see some of the sender's names and think--for just a second--"Oh, I think I know that guy," then you realize it's just a name you've seen far too often in the spam folder

[18:05:03]

iamlindoro_:

sphery, Stop reporting my list mails as spam

[18:05:17]

sphery:

oh, yeah, it was you

[18:05:21]

justinh:

the last army person I ever met, to my knowledge.. seemed determined to cause me physical harm just for fun. effing braindead squaddies on leave. there's a good reason they get sent over the top first I bet

[18:08:47]

justinh:

hmmm I really need to get cracking on that menu hacking. I'm pig sick of this INFO button crap now

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iamlindoro_:

not until you get that buttonwidth patch done ;)

[18:11:16]

justinh:

that one is still way out of my depth

[18:11:32]

gbee:

it's funny, but the army/navy/airforce stereotypes were pretty accurate when I was at school – we had the option of joining the army/navy/raf cadets – the dumbest joined the army, the light-footed joined the navy and if I'm honest the raf were a mix but generally a decent bunch – stoners chose DofE

[18:11:41]

justinh:

I never managed to make it change the size of the kids

[18:12:14]

iamlindoro_:

Some of the smartest, most thoughtful human beings I have ever met were USMC

[18:12:37]

justinh:

gbee: some of my best mates were air cadets when I was a lad. all the uggs I went to school with ended up as cannon fodder :)

[18:13:18]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: different country, probably different rules and at least I don't really know where the USMC would stand in comparison – we don't have a fourth service

[18:13:20]

justinh:

I'm not saying all army people are scum.. just the ones I have a habit of bumping into on nights out

[18:13:48]

justinh:

I thought to be a marine by any definition you'd have to be fairly smart

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gbee:

our Marines are rolled into the Army (err,I think) and are closer to special forces than anything

[18:14:09]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, They're generally considered ground pounders, but IMHO they are made to take honor and integrity much MUCH more seriously as a way of life

[18:14:56]

wagnerrp:

the marines are also much better trained than general infantry, probably closer to airborne in training

[18:15:04]

gbee:

justinh: I chose Air (and DofE ... and scouts .... hmm)

[18:15:32]

AndyCap:

iamlindoro_: they also have spiffy uniforms and prestigeous guard assignments. :)

[18:15:48]

iamlindoro_:

AndyCap, true that

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justinh:

I didn't much respect troops of any description til one night at an after-hours party some guy pulled his Kuwait photo album out of his coat. Christ

[18:16:08]

iamlindoro_:

They are pushed harder than most, but I have respected the integrity of every Marine I ever worked with

[18:16:17]

wagnerrp:

yeah, they handle all navy and embassy guard duty

[18:17:18]

Digital7:

justinh: http://pastebin.com/m2bd5eddb

[18:18:05]

justinh:

hmm. I wonder what "Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video sources to your card's inputs?" could possibly mean

[18:18:26]

iamlindoro_:

Damn you, plain english error messages!

[18:18:29]

Digital7:

rofl

[18:18:47]

Digital7:

yes, but it appears that the video source is ok in other programs

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justinh:

maybe it should say "hey, remember in mythtv-setup how there were options 1 thru 6? Did you think they were optional or something?"

[18:18:54]

iamlindoro_:

I bet it would have made perfect sense if it had been: "Error return! errno: -15!"

[18:19:10]

wagnerrp:

justinh: well option 5 is largely optional

[18:19:11]

justinh:

ahh, see this is where a change I STILL want to make would come in handy

[18:19:41]

Digital7:

justinh: the card is properly selected and recognized in mythtv-setup

[18:19:42]

justinh:

a 'video source' in mythtv is actually how mythtv gets its program guide data & channel lineup

[18:19:47]

Digital7:

justinh: verified somewhere near a dozen times

[18:20:02]

justinh:

so it's not actually about video per se

[18:20:05]

Digital7:

justinh: will provide a screenshot if its any reassurance

[18:20:18]

justinh:

Digital7: listen

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iamlindoro_:

Digital7, stop typing, start reading the scrollback

[18:20:26]

justinh:

it's not about VIDEO

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justinh:

it's not even about the tuner card really

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justinh:

because somebody chose to name a setup option something INANE in the code

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justinh:

and it confuses people

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justinh:

a 'video source' is a combination of channels and EPG data source, which you're then supposed to associated with a tuner input :)

[18:22:20]

justinh:

so it's not 'video' in the traditional or LOGICAL sense

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Digital7:

justinh: alright, i'll grind into it some more

[18:22:48]

justinh:

hey, little piecemeal changes like this, I could maintain my own fork if I was so inclined :P

[18:23:04]

justinh:

***k the guys who don't want it to be renamed

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iamlindoro_:

justinh, Notice he decided to arbitrarily add the untested-but-popular interlacer-deinterlacer?

[18:23:49]

justinh:

then again for all I know all the active developers don't mind renaming 'video sources' to something else

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wagnerrp:

what exactly is this 'interlacer-deinterlacer'

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp, AFAICT it just makes sure the field order is presented properly on an interlaced output

[18:25:06]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: how can it even do that when most video drivers don't even signal which field they're drawing in an interlaced mode?!

[18:25:14]

wagnerrp:

for the few original 1080line tvs that cannot handle 1080p?

[18:25:28]

iamlindoro_:

I just work here, ask the assholes futzing with it

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Digital7:

justinh: is it possible to scan for channels or do they need to be added here manually then?

[18:25:42]

justinh:

nah, because some TVs are allegedly better than any software deinterlacer

[18:26:00]

justinh:

Digital7: well, that would depend. On stuff you've not mentioned yet

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Digital7:

justinh: such as?

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justinh:

where in the world you live. it makes a difference. you may need a Schedules Direct account, e.g.

[18:27:01]

Digital7:

justinh: i have it set to grab program information from the ATSC stream

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Digital7:

justinh: united states

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wagnerrp:

Digital7: thats bound for failure

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justinh:

Digital7: that's not going to be much use to you then

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justinh:

you're lucky to get info for what's on next, so I heard

[18:27:40]

wagnerrp:

we get anywhere from an hour to under a day of data from ATSC broadcasters

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wagnerrp:

hardly enough for mythtv to run properly

[18:27:56]

Digital7:

wagnerrp: if i could just get a picture that i could see, i'd be content for now

[18:28:10]

justinh:

so yes you need to scan for ATSC channels anyway

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wagnerrp:

livetv will work without any guide data

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wagnerrp:

all it needs are channels

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justinh:

OI you chavvy little bastard! Do not let your dog shit on the pavement outside my house!

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** justinh runs out to kick up a fuss **

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wagnerrp:

justinh: can you have any sort of projectile weapon over there? like a air pistol, or bb gun?

[18:29:49]

AndyCap:

hope his bark is worse than his bite.

[18:30:31]

justinh:

heh. didn't have his own bags so I gave him one of ours. he seemed a little reluctant til I pointed to the CCTV camera

[18:30:32]

gbee:

sure, but point them in public (let alone use them) and you are likely to face armed police (if lucky they won't gun you down)

[18:30:56]

AndyCap:

gbee: unless you're a foreign electrician at the wrong place

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gbee:

aye :/

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justinh:

AndyCap: then you don't even need a gun

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justinh:

or a bag. or anything

[18:31:23]

justinh:

you just need to be there

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justinh:

£1000 fine for getting caught letting your dog poop without clearing it up round this way. And I'm sick of having to dodge it on my way to the car

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gbee:

just £500 locally

[18:32:59]

justinh:

they should have their animal destroyed. that'd show em

[18:33:16]

wagnerrp:

pick it up, stick it in a brown bag, put back on their porch, light on fire

[18:33:24]

wagnerrp:

if anyone asks, you were simply returning it

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

what kind of psycho do you take me for?

[18:34:04]

wagnerrp:

one who videotapes animals shitting on his front lawn

[18:34:32]

justinh:

nah I record everything & everyone who passes my car/house

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: at least he's not selling it on teh intarwebs

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justinh:

and everybody who walks up the path to the door

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: i remember that... how long did that site last?

[18:35:14]

justinh:

it pains me that I felt I needed CCTV in the 1st place but there you go

[18:35:35]

wagnerrp:

yeah, you would think the police would already have them up and watching

[18:36:00]

justinh:

wagnerrp: eh? you think cameras are actually watched to catch crimes in progress? LOL

[18:36:13]

cityLights2:

(sorry I was on the ohone)

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justinh:

not most of them. the vast majority are used to help clear up things after the fact

[18:38:05]

justinh:

like the 2 scallies who broke into a DIY store to burn it down for some reason. They got in & out alright but a tramp who broke in & was asleep there died. So, the police brought in the CCTV DVR for us to try & recover. And I did. The perps went down for manslaughter

[18:39:10]

wagnerrp:

they just broke in to burn it down? they have a grudge against the owner or something?

[18:39:21]

justinh:

yup

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cityLights2:

I do admit that just read this channel can increase my knowladge

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cityLights2:

read->readding

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justinh:

I was bricking it.. Crown Prosecution Service said I might have to go into court & describe how I secured the images from the hard disks

[18:43:32]

gbee:

this the Klyne and Klyne one?

[18:44:33]

justinh:

I can't remember the name. don't think I was ever told it

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kormoc:

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/News/Article.aspx?articleID=5840

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kormoc:

"CCTV footage captured figures of three boys dragging a metal cage of spray paint cans, and there were some flashes on the screen."

[18:46:05]

gbee:

hmm, very similar, but the kids responsible were found not guilty

[18:46:05]

kormoc:

Sound familar?

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justinh:

maybe I've got false memory syndrome

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justinh:

could've sworn it was way more serious than just arson

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kormoc:

"Three boys from Worsley, Salford – two aged 14 and a 15-year-old – have been charged with manslaughter and arson. "

[18:48:47]

justinh:

ahh. fank gawd for that. I thought I was going daft

[18:49:45]

cityLights2:

what software to use to scan what dvb channels are on my cable?

[18:49:47]

cityLights2:

dvbsnoop?

[18:49:55]

wagnerrp:

scan

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gbee:

http://archive.thisislancashire.co.uk/2007/12/20/1055677.html

[18:50:43]

justinh:

ffs. my boss said they went daaaahn

[18:50:44]

cityLights2:

wagnerrp: what program is scan?

[18:50:54]

wagnerrp:

scan is scan

[18:50:59]

wagnerrp:

formerly dvbscan

[18:51:26]

justinh:

guilty or no they'd have been released by now anyhoo

[18:51:39]

cityLights2:

http://free.pages.at/wirbel4vdr/w_scan/index2.html ?

[18:52:20]

wagnerrp:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Scan

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justinh:

gbee: that big group4 securitas robbery was covered by our CCTV gear. rubbish setup though.. the cash counting area was being recorded at 1FPS (!)

[18:53:35]

kormoc:

That's crappy

[18:53:40]

kormoc:

they should have had the book

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kormoc:

repercussions suck, but such is life...

[18:54:12]

justinh:

maybe the people wanting to do away with juries have a point

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justinh:

with the group4 thing everybody was calling the CCTV all kinds of names but nothing can fill in the gaps when in one frame a table is clear & in the next it's got bags all over it.. and in the next.. it's clear again. LOL

[18:55:55]

gbee:

heh

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AndyCap:

interpolation! :P

[18:56:15]

kormoc:

power point style screen wipes!

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gbee:

CSI would have managed it

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AndyCap:

go digital!

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justinh:

I wonder what kind of rude awakening criminals are going to have when they find out that resolution is now up to 2Mpix & their faces won't just end up as a jumble of squares

[18:56:54]

justinh:

AndyCap: this _was_ digital ;)

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AndyCap:

justinh: I know. was just using the CSI equivalent of Abracadabra

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justinh:

I've hated our new product line ever since I've had to build/configure prototypes but having seen what it can do, properly.. megapixel network cameras.. man.. it's nift

[18:58:25]

justinh:

still a tw*t to configure without documentation though ;)

[18:58:58]

AndyCap:

justinh: got to maintain a steady stream of recurring income

[19:00:00]

justinh:

nah, this is just for prototypes & demo units

[19:00:20]

justinh:

HD CCTV is freaking awesome though

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justinh:

not just the resolution but the colour rendition & stuff

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justinh:

properly done.. there will be _no_ hiding

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justinh:

quite worrying in some ways too

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justinh:

thankfully the kind of infrastructure needed to do HD CCTV publically just isn't there yet

[19:04:29]

GrahamIRC:

I've just been putting in an HD video conferencing system and it's awesome!

[19:06:07]

justinh:

hahaha. GOOM + The Orb..

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justinh:

ooo let's see if mythmusic playback is gapless then...

[19:07:22]

GrahamIRC:

1080p at full frame rate on a 65" screen really works, not like the old VC ISDN based systems

[19:07:28]

justinh:

nice :)

[19:07:58]

GrahamIRC:

it's very impressive

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justinh:

ISDN was teh suck

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justinh:

it was good in 1988

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GrahamIRC:

lol, I've just remembered the bonded dual-channel homehighway I had before ADSL

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justinh:

jees. goom never looked this good before. wonder if I'd just not left it going long enough

[19:09:34]

GrahamIRC:

lol

[19:09:43]

GrahamIRC:

have you tried project-M?

[19:09:44]

justinh:

it's still no milkdrop, like

[19:09:58]

justinh:

yeah. cwashy cwashy

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GrahamIRC:

haha, yes it a bit, but lovely when it works

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justinh:

I suspect it's really why people thing a certain media player app is the dog's bollocks

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justinh:

s/thing/think

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justinh:

I wonder if, since the libvisual stuff was always claimed to be a nasty hack.. whether or not it'll be handled better eventually

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justinh:

I need a bigger telly

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GrahamIRC:

you can never have too big a telly!

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justinh:

stoners never had it so good, what with milkdrop etc.. and big F.O. projectors n stuff

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justinh:

or hey big enough screen, with the right visuals who'd even need THC

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GrahamIRC:

lol, if only I still smoked

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kormoc:

If you miss it, you can always start

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GrahamIRC:

I think I have a way too addictive personallity to do that again lol

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GrahamIRC:

I'll try the big projector plus milkdrop route first I think

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justinh:

let's give the sub a woof with Perpetual Dawn

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GrahamIRC:

:-)

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justinh:

oh I knew having a remote wot can glow in the dark would be handy one day

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bocaJ:

hey folks, my knowledge of video stuff is pretty bad, but I was wondering if anyone here could tell me what exactly mythreplex does, and specifically if it could losslessly convert a PS stream back into a TS stream?

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iamlindoro_:

Mythreplex is a demuxer and remuxer, but it's not meant for end-user use

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iamlindoro_:

use ffmpeg

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iamlindoro_:

ffmpeg -i infile.mpg -acodec copy -vcodec copy outfile.ts

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iamlindoro_:

done

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bocaJ:

iamlindoro – I tried that. video/audio sync issues crop up and it seems lossy on HD content

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iamlindoro_:

a stream copy is not lossy :)

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, mythreplex will not do what you want

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bocaJ:

I know, but before, with the source file (which starts out in TS) it is smooth. Afterwards, it is not.

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bocaJ:

But thanks for the tip on mythreplex

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bocaJ:

iamlindoro – the quality issue asside, do you know how I would fix the sync issues?

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iamlindoro_:

nope, I would ask in #ffmpeg

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iamlindoro_:

say you have a PS and you stream copy into a TS, and describe the issues you are seeing

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bocaJ:

thanks

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iamlindoro_:

np

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cafuego:

it seems my new Mythbuntu installation is refusing to schedule recordings; I can create rule,s but there aren't applied to any upcoming programs.

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dustybin:

thats numberwang, take your number!

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cafuego:

seven

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** dustybin rotates the board **

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cafuego:

Right. Mysql/AppArmor issue.

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squish102:

i have an old laptop lying around, can the IR of a laptop be controlled with a remote?

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squish102:

i think i may use it as a frontend

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clever:

i cant even get the ir port to function as it was meant to under linux, on any laptop

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clever:

and those are usualy not compatible with lirc

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dashs:

Is there a good explanation somewhere of broadcast vs. p2p with firewire?

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squish102:

ok, i guess that was a long stretch...

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/tvepsupport.ogg

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iamlindoro_:

For anyone curious for a preview of Tv episode support

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iamlindoro_:

(in MythVideo)

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squish102:

that is seriously very slick iamlindoro_

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squish102:

wait i have to watch it again

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d00gle:

iamlindoro_ that is lovely

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d00gle:

what theme you running there ?

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wagnerrp:

his own custom theme

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iamlindoro_:

It's my own, a little conconction coming up for .22

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iamlindoro_:

But thanks :)

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wagnerrp:

im a bit confused by the guy starting his new theme for 0.21

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squish102:

now i am looking forward to .22

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp, Yeah, that's a little ill advised

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d00gle:

It's what MythTV needs

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp, As he'll need to rewrite it from scratch for .22

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wagnerrp:

i was just about to ask if that was necessary

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wagnerrp:

beyond the fact that it gives you far more freedom of stuff to do

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, the format is similar in style but quite different in syntax

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iamlindoro_:

if that makes any sense

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

ive looked a bit through the new code, but havent touched the old stuff

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d00gle:

iamlindoro_ you ever want any testers for themes, i'd be more than happy

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iamlindoro_:

d00gle, Heh, I'll keep it in mind. I'm mostly keeping it under wraps until .22, if only because so much of it is yet undone

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iamlindoro_:

thanks :)

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d00gle:

no problem

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squish102:

i think i am going to give up trying to get my dlink 320 to watch mythtv recordings!

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squish102:

that dlink is a POS and with very limited support and details on what it can play, i have no idea what to transcode my recordings to, to be able to watch it on it.

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