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cityLights1:

hi all I am a gentoo user and I can't get 0.21 to display a utf-8 EPG

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cityLights1:

I consulted the wiki page for Fixing_Corrupt_Database_Encoding , yet it still doesnt work for me

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sphery:

cityLights1: what language?

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kormoc:

Woot, myth has a 9 second spot in the 2008 LFNW video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIoCu_cYGqo

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: that video reminds me of the World Of Amiga show I went to in 1991 in NYC on one of the piers... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Although, lots more horespower nowadays... but they were doing AMAZING things with 50MHz cpus back then... ;-)

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thedarkone:

hello

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thedarkone:

i get a new error with mythbrowser says please check that the dcopserver program is running?

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wagnerrp:

LFNW?

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J-e-f-f-A:

LinuxFest NorthWest

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J-e-f-f-A:

... If it weren't 3000 miles away, I'd be there in a heartbeat... ;-)

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meshe:

1080i :) nice!

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creaol:

Anyone know how to (or if it is possible to) send a signal back out to a specific channel on your own home coaxial cable. For example Dish does this with their dual DVR box. the second TV only connects to the coax cable and does not need a box. I wanted to do the same thing with Mythtv. Any ideas on how?

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sphery:

creaol: TTBOMK, you just need an RF modulator

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sphery:

with Myth, though, you still have to control the capture device (which can only capture 1 channel per tuner), so ...

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creaol:

Yeah I'v alredy got that part working very well. I just want to sendthe signal out to the TV without it sitting in my front room.

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sphery:

well, you can run other types of cables through the wall... but if all you have is coax, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . re&mh=25

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creaol:

Thank you that is what I needed!!!!! This is gonna be awsome! All my movies, recorded TV shows, Music etc... controlled by RF remote and over the coax. Cant ask for anything better. Oh maybe HD quality. That will come later. :-)

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sphery:

yeah, for the HDTV quality, you'll need to pass some other cable through the wall...

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sphery:

BTW, I have my frontend in a different room from my TV and pass a VGA cable through the wall to get 1080p to the TV.

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wagnerrp:

creaol: sadly, there is no such thing as a cheap ATSC modulator

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sphery:

I agree that getting the frontend out of the room is a great thing, but you may get much better quality with some other (more direct) signaling (i.e. using the S-Video or Composite straight out of your video card)

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wagnerrp:

i did come across the worlds most abominable hack once... using the oscillator in a VGA card to output a DVB signal

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sphery:

of course, with SDTV, quality really doesn't ever exist, so I guess it's not that important

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sphery:

wagnerrp: that's amazing someone was able to do that

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wagnerrp:

sphery: ive got the page bookmarked somewhere on my desktop

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wagnerrp:

sadly, my desktop is currently down for repairs/reinstallation

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** sphery can't wait to get home so he can work on his reinstallation (or all his systems) **

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sphery:

for

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wagnerrp:

here we go... http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/dvbt/

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wagnerrp:

apparently it functions off the concept that the oscillator in a VGA card puts out a very dirty signal

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wagnerrp:

no filtering on the harmonic frequencies

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purserj:

win 5

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wagnerrp:

of course this was 4 years ago... and no source code to speak of

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wagnerrp:

interesting concept, hardly functional

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sphery:

interesting

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Hukt0nWax:

hey do you guys know an asshole

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Hukt0nWax:

?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: was trying to figure out where I'd seen that domain... It's the QEMU guy...

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wagnerrp:

Hukt0nWax; everyone has one... what exactly are you asking?

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Hukt0nWax:

hahahaa

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Hukt0nWax:

ummm 1 secon d

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Hukt0nWax:

kormoc

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Hukt0nWax:

would be another nick he rolls with i guess

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wagnerrp:

and what has he done to piss you off? refuse to rewrite mythweb in python?

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Hukt0nWax:

i dunno he called me out

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Hukt0nWax:

i was wondering if he still worked at silicon mechanics

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wagnerrp:

well looks like hes not here, but wait a while, hell be back

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Hukt0nWax:

good :D

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xris:

Hukt0nWax: he left simech about a year ago.

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xris:

6 months or so after I did

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Hukt0nWax:

ah

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xris:

works for domaintools.com now

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Hukt0nWax:

but you know who he is

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Hukt0nWax:

?

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xris:

yeah. he was my first underling at simech

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xris:

also happens to be a good friend at this point

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Hukt0nWax:

cool will you do me a favor and tell him i said hi?

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Hukt0nWax:

:D

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xris:

not with the insult you opened with

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Hukt0nWax:

oh see see some one came into another server earlier today named asshole

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Hukt0nWax:

hence the name in question

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Hukt0nWax:

honestly i probably did my research wrong in the last 20 min and im probably thinking of someone else

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xris:

I don't think kormoc ever uses another nick

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Hukt0nWax:

i do know that the ip came from silicon mechanics

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xris:

he hasn't been there in at least a year

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Hukt0nWax:

yeah i realized that now after i looked threw logs and stuff again real quick

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xris:

simech office IPs are usually just dsl, though

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Hukt0nWax:

got any ravers or ex ravers that work at your work? :D

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Lexridge:

simech doesn't have corporate firewall?

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xris:

Lexridge: sure. doesn't mean it's not connected to a dsl line, though.. cable/fiber/etc were too expensive to pull into the businss park where the office is.

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xris:

webservers live at a colo

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Lexridge:

xris: I see.

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Lexridge:

xris: how is it going at SD? Is that a full time job for you now?

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xris:

anyway, time for food. and maybe watch some (myth)tv

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xris:

Lexridge: nowhere near full time. I work for marchex.com during the day.

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Lexridge:

ah, okay...well, have a good evening. :)

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xris:

sd takes up a little time, as does the for-profit spinoff that a couple of have taken on (percdata.com)

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xris:

SD goes well except that I can't find enough volunteers interested in helping design the self-hosted-data solution.

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Lexridge:

I thought it was already self-hosted.

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wagnerrp:

is that 'SD for commercial products'?

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xris:

wagnerrp: pretty much. people who can't afford to buy the data directly from TMS.. TMS works with them, and percdata deals with billing and customer service.

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Lexridge:

oh, I gotcha. Interesting way to go perhaps.

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xris:

SD members still download data from TMS servers.

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Shadow__X:

what does the self hosted data solution entail

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xris:

we have access to the "full feed", but no infrastructure to deal with parsing and transmitting it

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xris:

http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=710

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** xris goes to eat now. **

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Lexridge:

I have been trying to get a psip account with TMS, and it's impossible to get anyone there to call me back. Two weeks now, no return phone calls.

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Lexridge:

Either they are extremely busy, or extremely don't need our money.

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Shadow__X:

i would like to help with the load balancing aspect of the project but i dont think i know anywhere near enoug hto be helpful

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Lexridge:

I'd assume the requirement of signing a NDA is because TMS copyrights "their" data, which largely given to them via every network/tv station in the US. TMS is to broadcasters what ASCAP and BMI are to music.

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mzb:

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mzb:

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iamlindoro_:

3

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iamlindoro_:

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iamlindoro_:

This is getting hard

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: hehe... Just getting up to speed on irc proxy. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

<- Wintel

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J-e-f-f-A:

<- mythbackend ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

I guess you could say I now officially have a split personality! ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

Oh don't be silly

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iamlindoro_:

I've been saying it all along

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehe;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Oye, time to ZZzz.... ;-) 'night!

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mzb:

gnite

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keith4__:

so... watching live NBC HD over firewire, on a P4 HT 2.8Ghz, mythfrontend is showing 112% CPU, and xorg 88% CPU

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meshe:

oooh, meta-objects

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Shadow__X:

thats a no good

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keith4__:

doesn't seem to happen on other HD channels, though

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wagnerrp:

are the other channels 720p?

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wagnerrp:

the deinterlacer may be throwing you over your limit

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wagnerrp:

of course you may want to try disabling hyperthreading

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wagnerrp:

im some cases, its actually detrimental to performance

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keith4__:

they're almost all 1080i

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wagnerrp:

higher bitrate perhaps?

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keith4__:

ah, maybe

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keith4__:

wtf? it's "settled" now

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keith4__:

25% mythtv, 12% xorg

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keith4__:

jeez. it's all over the place

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wagnerrp:

i find my local NBC to be much higher than ABC or FOX, with CBS somewhere in between

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wagnerrp:

NBC is ~16mbps, CBS is mid-13s, ABC is low-12s

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wagnerrp:

although that may be my cableco's doing

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wagnerrp:

i havent tried direct OTA

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keith4__:

how do you know that?

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wagnerrp:

i can divide

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keith4__:

ah, hmmm. tricky

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Shadow__X:

divide what?

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wagnerrp:

recording size by recording length

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wagnerrp:

data/time = bitrate

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Shadow__X:

ah

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Shadow__X:

ok

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wagnerrp:

been a while since first grade?

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wagnerrp:

:P

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp, yup also didnt think of it

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: Presently we are sending our CBS out at 16Mb/s. I'm actually going to up it eventually to 17.3, and cut back bitrate on the AccuWx channel, which doesn't need much. ;)

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Shadow__X:

Lexridge, do you allow full recording over firewire?

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: i dont think his station would have any say over the matter

[04:24:40]

Lexridge:

no, we don't

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Lexridge:

over the air tranmission is free as in beer. ;)

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Shadow__X:

oh didnt know it was ota

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wagnerrp:

ive never understood that statement

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Lexridge:

me either, but it has the word beer in it. lol

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Lexridge:

I just wish I could figure out our sync issues in switching between SD and HD. We get a very ugly few frames of crap green when this happens.

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wagnerrp:

i always love how they want to interrupt regularly scheduled programming for the weather

[04:28:17]

wagnerrp:

when they have a dedicated weather channel

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wagnerrp:

'oh, but now we can bring you the weather in ACH DEE!'

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Lexridge:

lol, I'm glad we don't do that. However, if sales caught wind of that statement, they might. shhhhh!

[04:29:47]

wagnerrp:

all i need to know is whats the temperature, what will be be later, do i need an umbrella, do i need to GTF down to the basement

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wagnerrp:

just set up those key details on a loop

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Lexridge:

the sales dept is relentless! They are actually selling funerial annoucements as a NEWS bumber!!!! Gawd!!!

[04:30:33]

Lexridge:

yea, I agree with that!

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wagnerrp:

you could even put a ticker over the regularly scheduled program, where they say 'please tune to out weather channel, where they will proceed to tell you to GTF down to the basement'

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Lexridge:

lol

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Lexridge:

It's sad but true. I've sat in on a few sales meetings, and do really do try to come up with this sh*t!

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Lexridge:

they do, that should have read.

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meshe:

take 2 on borking xorg.conf ;)

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wagnerrp:

or earlier tonight, they put up a important bulletin, that escaped convicts were captured in nebraska, over 1kmi away from here

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Lexridge:

wow, earth shattering news report!...and it was sponsored by? lol

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meshe:

ahh, it's Option "UseEvents" "true"

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TTilus:

where's "here"?

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wagnerrp:

cincinnati

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wagnerrp:

apparently they escaped from somewhere in southern indiana

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wagnerrp:

so of course they were going to come and assault YOU, rather than one of the other couple million people in the area

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TTilus:

i think i'm safe

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TTilus:

here

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TTilus:

in finland

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wagnerrp:

well you never know, when those people escape, they usually run

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Lexridge:

well, since they have now been captured, everyone can sleep well tonight. ;)

[04:38:15]

wagnerrp:

and what are you doing up... its like 5:30 in the morning

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wagnerrp:

crazy morning people

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Lexridge:

yea, my wife is a crazy early morning person. :)

[04:40:16]

Lexridge:

but she's goes to bed at ~9pm too, so there ya have it.

[04:40:41]

Lexridge:

me, hell, 1–2am at the earliest.

[04:43:03]

Lexridge:

TTilus: so how is the weather in Finland? It's pouring the rain down here, but fairly warm.

[04:45:20]

Lexridge:

wagnerrp: did you get much rain today? we got pounded for a while. We should be about the same latitude, here in Clarksburg, WV.

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TTilus:

Lexridge: http://www.foreca.com/Finland/Jyvaskyla

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wagnerrp:

it rained in the morning, been clear since

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Lexridge:

actually, it finally cleared up. Just took a look outside. Foggy now.

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wagnerrp:

i love the fog, no idea why

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Lexridge:

TTilus: A bit on the chilly side at -2c...wouldn't that be ~30F?

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wagnerrp:

somewhere around there, a little lower

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Lexridge:

funny, that is the name of the band I'm. the Fog. It actually stands for Five Old Guys. lol

[04:50:48]

Lexridge:

funny, that is the name of the band I'm in...The Fog. It actually stands for Five Old Guys. lol [corrections applied] :)

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Lexridge:

It's around 47F here. I'm so glad winter is finally (hopefully) gone. It was a bad one, and I was getting very tired of all the wind and snow.

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wagnerrp:

best part about fog... i went to see a pre-screening of 28 Weeks Later with a couple of friends

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wagnerrp:

we got out of the theater around 3am, with a dense fog

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wagnerrp:

one of my friends was scared out of his mind

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Lexridge:

lol

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Lexridge:

great movie, btw.

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wagnerrp:

he wouldnt go home, we ended up hanging out at White Castle for an hour or so

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wagnerrp:

when he finally went home, apparently he slept with a bat and a large kitchen knife

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Lexridge:

White Castle? The burger shop they made a movie about?

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wagnerrp:

uh huh

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wagnerrp:

open for bowel cleansing 24-hours a day

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Lexridge:

we don't have those around here :( Are they really that good?

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Lexridge:

lol

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wagnerrp:

they call them 'sliders' for a reason

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Lexridge:

now that is funny stuff!!!!

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wagnerrp:

im not a fan of the basic burger, but the jalapeno cheeseburgers are good

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wagnerrp:

and the chicken rings are fantastic

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Lexridge:

oh yea? Cool, my motto is, "If you can't enjoy it twice, it's not worth eating". I love spicy stuff!

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wagnerrp:

everyone needs a good white castle story

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Lexridge:

My buddies and I will roll dice, and the loser has to eat the choice of the non-loosers hot list. One tablespoon. It gets rather ugly at times.

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Lexridge:

and we all call everyone to see how round "2" came out. lol

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wagnerrp:

i like spicy foods, but somewhere around 4k Sc is about my limit

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wagnerrp:

above that point, and it just doesnt really taste good anymore

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wagnerrp:

it just tastes like burning

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Lexridge:

I can't take the habanairo (sp?) oil, it actually makes me really sick. But as long as it still has (a good) flavor, I'm game for it.

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Lexridge:

My intestines might not be, but my brain thinks they are.

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wagnerrp:

we used to go to Quaker Steak for wing night

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Lexridge:

college days?

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wagnerrp:

one night, we decide to get a basket of atomic, 150k

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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Lexridge:

did you have to sign a waver?

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wagnerrp:

it wasnt really hot, i just couldnt help from tearing up

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wagnerrp:

i think so

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wagnerrp:

and i couldnt taste anything for some time afterwards

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wagnerrp:

two of the guys had no problem downing theirs

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wagnerrp:

and all i could think was 'you must have completely destroyed your sense of taste'

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wagnerrp:

i imagine it gets to be like smokers

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Lexridge:

good thing it's only a temporary affect.

[05:04:34]

Lexridge:

you don't get immune to it, you just get used to it.

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wagnerrp:

i think you just burn out the nerve endings in your mouth

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Lexridge:

lol, perhaps...lol......still laughing.....but that's akin to....well, my example would not be appropriate here. :)

[05:09:37]

Lexridge:

I think what happens is the brain makes the "heat" receptors turn down, and yea, it does take a bit for them to return to normal, but they do, eventually.

[05:10:25]

Lexridge:

btw, did anyone catch last night's Lost episode? It keeps getting deeper. Where will it end?

[05:10:49]

Lexridge:

I think there has got to be a paradox somewhere here.

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wagnerrp:

havent they gone back and forth in time multiple times?

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wagnerrp:

or are those flashbacks/flashforwards?

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Lexridge:

yes, they have gone back and forth thru time, some more than others.

[05:12:27]

wagnerrp:

and someone died, but the island brought them back or something

[05:13:09]

Lexridge:

but since Sayad killed Ben as a child last night, how could adult Ben be instructing Sayad what to do, Ben now died when he was 15, by Sayad's bullet.

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Lexridge:

that, is a paradox

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wagnerrp:

depends on your concept of time travel

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Lexridge:

my concept of time travel is a moving target. It changes often.

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wagnerrp:

i mean if you just fork off into another dimension, theres no issue

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wagnerrp:

and once you add time travel into a show about... a plane crash... all bets are off

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wagnerrp:

theres no sense of logic left

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Lexridge:

oh, quantum mechanics. Sure, I can even see that reality (pun intended) .

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Lexridge:

There was a movie I watched a year or so ago called.......What the F do you think you know, or something like that. Pretty interesting stuff.

[05:17:50]

Lexridge:

all QM stuff.

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Lexridge:

ah, "What the Bleep do we know" was the title, I think.

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Lexridge:

google for it, if you interested. It's a very good watch.

[05:19:43]

Lexridge:

youtube or google video most likely still has it.

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wagnerrp:

from what ive heard, its a hollywood writer's ignorant take on QM

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Lexridge:

really? I've not read any of the reviews or anything.

[05:21:53]

Lexridge:

however, I've always been interested in QM, but this movie had stuff I had never heard of. Just assumed it was new theory.

[05:23:08]

Lexridge:

of course, nothing is ever fact, as QM is a theory upon itself, so who knows. Nobody apparently at this time.

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wagnerrp:

one of the basic premises behind QM is that observation causes change

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wagnerrp:

and as such, you can only know probabilities about things

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wagnerrp:

apparently the movie understood that to mean 'observation by a sentient being'

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Lexridge:

correct

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wagnerrp:

which is ABSOLUTELY WRONG, and invalidates anything else factual the movie may have to say about anything

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Lexridge:

observation is the one thing I've always had a problem with.

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wagnerrp:

'observation' is not literal observation, per se

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wagnerrp:

its just interaction with any other particle

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Lexridge:

exactly! but the view is never known to be precise.

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wagnerrp:

any interaction irreversibly alters it

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Lexridge:

right, but the "view" can be completely random, and always is.

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wagnerrp:

the 'view'?

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Lexridge:

sorry, view=observation.

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wagnerrp:

if you mean information, then yes, information is never precise

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wagnerrp:

particles on the subatomic level exist as probability fields, where they likely exist

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Lexridge:

no, I mean the location of a given molecule at a given time. QM is on the molecular level.

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wagnerrp:

QM is absolutely not at the molecular level

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wagnerrp:

all the 'spooky' stuff you get with QM is irrelevant by the time you get to the molecular level

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wagnerrp:

randomness exists at extremely low levels

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wagnerrp:

but by the time you hit the molecular level, that randomness largely averages out to zero

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Lexridge:

okay, sorry, I not an expert on it, just have an interest. My terminology is not accurate.

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wagnerrp:

im not expecting you to understand

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wagnerrp:

i know the basics, but i dont understand most of it

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wagnerrp:

the people who do understand it are nuts

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wagnerrp:

but when you try to make a movie revolved around it, for anything like a mainstream audience, youre bound to fail

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xris:

Lexridge: psip account?

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Lexridge:

Neither do the experts. They're still trying to come up with workable, and probably theories that will probably be changed a dozen times in 50 years.

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Lexridge:

xris: Ah, that was not directed at you, I was just venting that nobody from TMS will return my phone calls about getting a psip account.

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xris:

Lexridge: I don't know what you mean by psip account

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Lexridge:

xris: It's just a login account to access data for both our CBS and FOX affiliates. I said psip account since it will be used to feed our adtec multiplexer.

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Lexridge:

with a psip data stream.....for four stations.

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xris:

I can put you in touch with our account manager

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xris:

he's usually pretty good about responding to emails.

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Lexridge:

do you still have my email address?

[05:39:19]

Lexridge:

please email me his contact info.

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xris:

doubtful. but hang on, I can just pm you his.. it's a "generic" address

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Lexridge:

okay

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wagnerrp:

Lexridge: basically, my complaint is that like nearly every other science-centric film, its really just quasi-science

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wagnerrp:

even the writer/director described it as 'metaphysics'

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wagnerrp:

so nothing in there can really be considered factual, or even in line with current theories

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xris:

as for the NDA stuff for the code work.. it's mostly a CYA thing for us — access to the system means access to member email addresses and other private data that we'd prefer people don't just share with the world.

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Lexridge:

xris: oh, okay. I thought maybe it had something to do with how we give them the data for free, and they charge us to get it back. ;)

[05:45:39]

xris:

TMS actually does a *lot* of data entry of their own.

[05:46:17]

xris:

they have offices in the US and Europe full of people who deal with it, as well as verifying listings, etc. with affiliates...

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Lexridge:

sure they do. They correct all the mistakes we make when we send it to them, and link that data to CBS so all the network data matches.

[05:46:47]

xris:

the fees basically go toward their effort to compile it into an easy-to-access format. not even local affiliates get that kind of info from their upstream stations.

[05:47:09]

Lexridge:

that is very true!

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xris:

actually, when people submit issues to TMS through SD, TMS physically verifies all of that, usually with a phone call to the network.

[05:47:25]

xris:

and all of the red tape which that implies.

[05:47:42]

xris:

that's one of the reasons that it often takes so long for lineup issues to get fixed.

[05:48:10]

Lexridge:

humm, interesting. I would think much of that would be automated.

[05:48:30]

xris:

but.... us being so vocal has really made TMS step up their game. they really appreciate everything that we do for them.. and in return, they try to make things easy for SD to keep doing what we do.

[05:48:44]

xris:

apparently the majority of the TV industry isn't automated.

[05:49:07]

xris:

I asked a local TV station for their digital feed, and got an xls file that's hand-typed weekly by some secretary

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xris:

not even multi-row cells... "evening news" and "at 11" were in 2 cells next to each other

[05:49:31]

xris:

or something like that.

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xris:

the EIT data they have on their stream is added by a third party, who licenses the data from.... TMS.

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Lexridge:

well, you saw our .xls file. I sent you one months ago....and it was the same as you get from most....hand typed by a secretary.

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xris:

yup

[05:53:03]

xris:

forgot that was you who sent that to me. :)

[05:53:55]

mchou:

anyone use intel gma for myth? Is the tearing still as bad as ever?

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Lexridge:

There is no question that TMS is the best at what they do, it is just from my industries point of view, we buy back data that we give them. It just doesn't seem right. We should be able to send a comma delimted file to our multiplexer and have it do psip data from that.

[05:54:51]

Lexridge:

I guess we just need smarter multiplexers.

[05:54:54]

xris:

yeah. at your level, it strikes me as weird.

[05:55:09]

xris:

or there's a market for a new hardware device to interface with the mplexer. :)

[05:56:06]

Lexridge:

humm, a "simple" .xls to ASI converter should do the trick. ;)

[05:56:32]

xris:

heh. assuming that the people who build that stupid xls file would stop breaking data up into multiple cells.

[05:56:45]

** xris rebuilds mythtv to see if audio will work again. **

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Lexridge:

yea, that would be a good first step.

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xris:

when we first started SD, I talked to someone who worked for a PBS station, who said that they had an xml format they used for data interchange.

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xris:

but he never wrote back when I responded for more info. I think he was even local to me.

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Lexridge:

it's a shame he didn't respond. That might have been useful info.

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xris:

ahh.. audio problem with liba52. lovely

[05:58:48]

xris:

yeah, very

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xris:

esp. if all pbs stations share info like that.

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Lexridge:

xris: at least you not using JACK. I'm having a plethora of problem making mythfrontend talk to JACK.

[05:59:40]

xris:

I try not to do anything too weird.

[05:59:55]

xris:

but suddenly can't play anything I record.. audio is all jumpy and at the wrong speed.

[06:00:04]

xris:

non-mpeg stuff plays fine

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xris:

logs fill up with a52dec errors

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Lexridge:

sounds like a samplerate conversion issues.

[06:00:53]

Lexridge:

make sure your sound is set to 48K for AC3

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xris:

or I clear my ccache and recompile first. :)

[06:05:14]

Lexridge:

or that too.

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dj_ryan:

hey folks, using mythvideo I am getting lots of 'prebuffering pauses' while playback of m4v – it isnt even hdtv, it's just a dvd rip

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hads:

dj_ryan: Maybe not

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dj_ryan:

lol

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dj_ryan:

i set realtime limits

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dj_ryan:

yet i still get pauses sometimes

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Lexridge:

alright. it's bedtime.....nite all.

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cityLights1:

hi all I am a gentoo user and I can't get 0.21 to display a utf-8 EPG

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cityLights1:

I consulted the wiki page for Fixing_Corrupt_Database_Encoding , yet it still doesnt work for me

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rj_:

hi. i am wondering about the hardware requirements for the backend. would it be possible to run it on a dbox?

[10:48:05]

quicksilver:

what's a dbox?

[10:48:25]

quicksilver:

hardware requirements are very modest if you're getting digital TV and not re-encoding it.

[10:48:33]

quicksilver:

dumping a mpeg stream to disk is easy.

[10:48:47]

quicksilver:

If you're encodng analog TV, that's harder. If you're encoding HDTV that's really hard.

[10:48:59]

rj_:

i want to run the mythtv frontend on an appletv where i would like to record the tv stream

[10:49:17]

rj_:

i only want to to PAL digital tv

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rj_:

backend for os x seems not to support dbox as i read only few video cards are supported in the mac backend...

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justinh:

ye cannae run mythtv on a dbox

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justinh:

it doesn't have enough ram, only 200Mhz CPU...

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justinh:

all the usual reasons you can't run mythbackend on a STB platform

[10:59:49]

justinh:

mysql in only 32MB ram would be a challenge :P

[11:01:30]

justinh:

quicksilver: dbox is a linux-based DVB-C STB. VERY old now

[11:04:09]

rj_:

i can to the mysql part on the apple tv

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rj_:

do

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rj_:

where could i find info on the dbox patch? maybe i can handle the challenge to use it with a os x backend

[11:12:40]

justinh:

dbox2 recording is over the network so I'd have thought it'd be included

[11:12:57]

justinh:

otherwise you'd have to build mythbackend from source

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justinh:

unless you're going to run linux on the appletoy

[11:15:17]

justinh:

wooo my harmony remote is here

[11:21:43]

rj_:

well its a "small" os x... most apps for os x run on the appletv.

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rj_:

i am not sure how exactly the frontend and the backend interact... could the fronend stream directy from the dbox? i know that vlc can

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rj_:

so would i need the backend at all?

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justinh:

mythfrontend needs mythbackend to work

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justinh:

especially for TV functions

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justinh:

sounds like you'd be better off with VLC on the appletoy

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rj_:

vlc needs mouse and keyboad :/ and does not have remote control abilities

[11:28:36]

quicksilver:

people certainly have used appletv's as frontends, although som ehacking is required to get it working nicely.

[11:28:49]

quicksilver:

but you need a real computer for the backend.

[11:29:20]

rj_:

yes. thats for USB tunser for sure...

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rj_:

since drivers are missing for os x

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justinh:

so just run linux on the appletoy

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rj_:

then i loose the blinky and shiny apple gui which is so impressive

[11:31:43]

rj_:

backend on the atv should be doable. the question is how far is it to get the dbox access module running...

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justinh:

hmmm and I'm already disappointed with the new remote :-\

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rj_:

i am happy with the 525

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rj_:

whats the prob?

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justinh:

skip fwd, * and # buttons don't work in the 'mythtv' profile

[11:35:25]

justinh:

nor any of the coloured buttons

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justinh:

FFS

[11:36:04]

rj_:

mythtv uses LIRC i believe... can't is just learn any remote?

[11:43:07]

justinh:

no I mean the remote isn't transmitting anything when I press those buttons

[11:44:04]

rj_:

but there is a mythTV profile offered by the harmony software?

[11:44:12]

justinh:

yes

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rj_:

what kind of remote have you used before?

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rj_:

btw: i called the support team two or three times the day i got my remote

[11:45:04]

justinh:

OneForAll 6

[11:45:05]

rj_:

they where very polite

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rj_:

maybe they can help

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justinh:

ok. I've got everything but * working now

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rj_:

:)

[11:45:50]

justinh:

and I can probably reprogram that button no problem

[11:46:12]

justinh:

I still hate the idea of their 'activities' though

[11:48:42]

justinh:

ah what the heck. one inactive button still means I have 13 more usable buttons than I had before

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gbee:

sounds defective

[12:01:06]

justinh:

gah. activities can't even be renamed. what bloody use is that?

[12:01:36]

gbee:

oh, you mean that the mythtv profile simply doesn't include those and you'd need to reprogram them first

[12:01:54]

justinh:

yup

[12:02:10]

justinh:

which is pretty straightforward

[12:02:25]

justinh:

easier than using the awful java-based remotemanager JP1 software anyway

[12:04:13]

justinh:

gbee: there are several 'mythtv' profiles. some under 'pvr'some under 'media center' (sic)

[12:05:34]

justinh:

I thought the 'hauppauge pvr-150' remote profilewould be nice, but that one's missing buttons

[12:06:08]

justinh:

so I've ended up selecting the 'pvr -> MythTV -> KnoppMyth' profile which has all the buttons bar *

[12:06:22]

gbee:

these profiles are built in? Or you download them? If the latter how do you get them into the remote?

[12:06:29]

justinh:

USB cable

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justinh:

& windows/Mac software

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gbee:

ahh, crap, guess a Harmony is out of the question then

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rj_:

justinh you can rename the activities

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justinh:

gbee: there's linux software now

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justinh:

rj_: really? how?

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sid3windr:

now now

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gbee:

yeah?

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sid3windr:

this jack leonard looks like a smart guy!

[12:07:19]

justinh:

gbee: yeah

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justinh:

gbee: I downloaded & build it yesterday

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justinh:

concordance, they call it

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gbee:

from logitech or third party? Wondering if it's full featured

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rj_:

if you are in the software you have the ability to modify.. then you get a list of options what you want to change. one option is rename...

[12:07:56]

wombo1:

Is it possible for us to make a really good 'standard' mythtv profile and upload that to Logitech?

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justinh:

gbee: reverse engineered

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justinh:

wombo1: possible if anybody can be bothered

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wombo1:

ahh ok

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wombo1:

Im actually heading to Harvey Norman tomorrow to by one by coincidence

[12:08:58]

wombo1:

I might think about doing that as my meagure help to the mythtv project

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gbee:

justinh: ok thanks, I'll hunt around for comments/feedback on it, see whether the linux version is limited in a way that would matter to me

[12:10:03]

wombo1:

http://www.phildev.net/harmony/

[12:10:04]

justinh:

gbee: doesn't do firmware updates ofremotes,which the windows software will likely want to do from the get-go

[12:10:09]

wombo1:

https://launchpad.net/concordance

[12:10:19]

justinh:

of _all_ remotes, only the 880 series up to now

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gbee:

"Attachment: Backtrace.docx " – err, FAIL

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wombo1:

actually they just added support for firmware updates to 5xx remotes apparently

[12:11:53]

justinh:

wombo1: experimental

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wombo1:

ahh ok it didnt say anything about that, I might just update that on my windows PC just in case it bricks it then

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gbee:

hey, if someone is looking for a job – just had an idea – if at any time an SQL statement returns the 'table crashed' error, do an immediate repair

[12:13:23]

justinh:

only needs to be done once in a while, and we all know somebody who has a windows machine :)

[12:13:47]

justinh:

Ah I found out how to rename activities. Hardly bloody logical though

[12:14:24]

wombo1:

Could I ask which Harmony remote have people found to be the best/most reasonable?

[12:14:47]

justinh:

rj_: do you happen to know if a device doesn't need the 'extra' buttons (the four next to the display) that the device buttons are shown instead?

[12:15:17]

justinh:

wombo1: I just got the cheapest. doesn't seem to be any difference in the number of features between any of them

[12:15:25]

justinh:

controls up to 5 devices

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justinh:

more expensive models control more... even more expensive come with z-wave etc

[12:16:09]

gbee:

really expensive ones come with touchscreens

[12:16:30]

wombo1:

I like the 880 because of the charging dock. but its expensive USD$250RRP

[12:16:58]

gbee:

which I have to say would be really appealing, but there is a limit to what I'll pay for a remote control

[12:17:10]

wombo1:

So I think it might be the 550 or 670 or something

[12:17:21]

justinh:

gbee: the 1000 is like £129.99

[12:17:32]

justinh:

cheaper than a pronto AFAIK

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wombo1:

yeah thats my thought too. So the base functionality on them all is the same :)

[12:18:08]

wombo1:

Lets see tomorrow morning what I can get for my AUD$200 voucher

[12:18:29]

gbee:

justinh: about £100 over that limit ;)

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justinh:

hahaha

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justinh:

wheee now I have a 'Play Wii' activity which will turn on my telly & flick it to AV3

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justinh:

comes to something when *I* warm to macros

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gbee:

but seriously, since the remote does nothing really special – it's only function is to control the TV/mythtv ... I just couldn't justify spending that much even if I have the money

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justinh:

once you add an AV receiver it starts to make sense to have a universal remote

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gbee:

£130 is as much as I spent on the whole frontend/backend, I could buy an £80 1Tb drive which would be fair more useful etc

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rj_:

justinh: sorry no i have my harmony since a week now... but can easily access the devices through the devices button

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gbee:

justinh: makes sense even now, with the TV itself (bloody thing always starts up on the wrong input), the mythtv box and virgin stb ... but still, instinctively I just don't see a remote as something justifying that price tag – my current mobile only cost £10 ffs

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justinh:

heheh my wife is gonna love this activity stuff. if it works

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gbee:

I might just stretch to the £50 being asked for that bottom of the range harmony, but I'd be much happier if it was nearer £30

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justinh:

£29.99 at amazon

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justinh:

delivered. ordered it on wednesday,got it today

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wombo1:

Im thinking if it is available I might bet the 785

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wombo1:

its AUD$300RRP

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gbee:

huh, guess that's the price you mentioned the other day ... why did I mis-remember it as £49.99?

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wombo1:

hopefully i can get it for $200 as theres a sale on tomorrow

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justinh:

no way I'd pay that for this gbee

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justinh:

£30 is the sweet spot

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wombo1:

damm I wish I lived overseas everything is soo much cheaper

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wombo1:

our cheapest is $130

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gbee:

you don't want to live here

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justinh:

I wish I lived overseas everything is so much better. Weather. Lower crime.

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wombo1:

haha

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justinh:

not being ruled by a Scottish idiot

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gbee:

no invasive & authoritarian government

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wombo1:

Whats wrong with the Scots?

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justinh:

prettier women

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gbee:

nothing, it's the Idiot bit which is relevant

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justinh:

wombo1: nothing

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wombo1:

I bet you cant beat the aussies for authoritarian govmt

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wombo1:

justinh, lol

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justinh:

well, apart from Scottish parliament voting on things that affect England

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gbee:

wombo1: but then again, we have a Scottish prime minister enacting laws which only apply to England

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gbee:

which is just, wrong

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wombo1:

yeah agree

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justinh:

and Scot MPs voting for freebies given to Scotland which the whole of the UK pay for

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justinh:

there's where my sentiment comes from

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justinh:

they wanted devolution we shoulda rebuilt Hadrian's Wall

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wombo1:

well our govmt just gave everyone who earn under $80,000 a bonus of $900

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wombo1:

yes $900 cold hard cash

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v j-rod

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justinh:

woo that'll go far

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wombo1:

apparently it has been spent on strippers, beer and gambling

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wombo1:

yet now we will all have to pay it back in taxes

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wombo1:

and its the second time they have done it

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wombo1:

stupid labour govmt

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justinh:

they'd get it back through taxes anyway

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** justinh goes to get some lunch **

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wombo1:

or they could built another highway or something and actually create some jobs

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wombo1:

anyway ive ranted enough

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gbee:

on the subject of Gordon – if he was a Scottish man who had migrated to live in England (for the forseeable future) – well fair enough, but his Constituency is in Scotland, his primary home is there, he doesn't consider himself English – so what right does he have to enforce unpopular laws on England that don't apply to him and his fellow countrymen

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GrahamIRC:

I preferred it when we were talking about cars! lol

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GrahamIRC:

and didn't Jeremy Clarkson get in to trouble for calling him a Scottish idiot?

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gbee:

yeah, though not sure why, which bit of the statement wasn't true ... he's Scottish and he's an idiot

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gbee:

heh, I hate signposting like "he's the most decent honest cop I know" ... so you know that by the end of the show/film he'll turn out to be dirty

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justinh:

hey if I get hauled to a gulag for calling brown names I won't be the last

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GrahamIRC:

it was just part of the "get Clarkson" clan

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GrahamIRC:

It seemed a fairly factual statement to me – one-eyed scottish idiot

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** justinh chuckles at the new BOFH article on El Reg **

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justinh:

btw uk peeps... might be interested to know that 'I've never seen star wars' has made it to telly already

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justinh:

bbc four of course

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** j-rod wonders if anyone has tried to make vpdau work on anything as ancient as his p3/933 compaq deskpro en... **

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justinh:

also Dave Gorman's brilliant vehicle 'Genius' is on telly now :)

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GrahamIRC:

love that show

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GrahamIRC:

but then all his stuff is innovative

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GrahamIRC:

is "never seen star wars" on BBC2?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

not yet anyway

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justinh:

it's really not very long since it was on radio4

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GrahamIRC:

just started hasn't it?

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justinh:

on radio? nah it's been around a little while

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linagee:

does the newest version of mythtv have some different way of reading scheduledirect?

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linagee:

when i upgraded, a few more shows appeared on my "to be recorded" list. me: Hrm....

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linagee:

Not a bad thing, I'm just wondering why they weren't considered before

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justinh:

so, looks like I'll be learning my new remote when I get home :)

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openWeb:

hi everybody...

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GrahamIRC:

Hi OW

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openWeb:

does anyone know about problems with intel cars and b&w-screens using the svideo-out?

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openWeb:

crds

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openWeb:

cards

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openWeb:

...its friday...

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GrahamIRC:

no experience with those I'm afraid

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j-rod:

openWeb: b&w screen using svid is typically because you're not actually doing svid

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openWeb:

so?

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justinh:

xrandr --output TV --set TV_FORMAT $FORMAT where $FORMAT is NTSC or PAL

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j-rod:

i.e., svid out w/a composite adapter

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j-rod:

needs to be told its actually doing composite to put color and luminance and whatnot on the right conductors

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justinh:

openWeb: then after issuing that, change modes with xrandr --output TV --mode 1024x768 or similar

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openWeb:

so the xrandr hat t be called in i.e. my .xinitrc before mythfrontend, right?

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justinh:

openWeb: yup

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justinh:

openWeb: putting stuff in xorg.conf is currently not used by the driver

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justinh:

the driver _should_ be able to autodetect svideo or composite. it will try

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j-rod:

what intel cards actually have svid out?

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justinh:

the drivers on the TV output chips generally have current sensing & the driver makes use of those

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openWeb:

aaah ok... i user xorg-server 1.6.0 and intel-driver 2.6.3...

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** j-rod wasn't aware of any **

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openWeb:

its an atom board with an 945GZ

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justinh:

j-rod: my one does. i945 IIRC

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j-rod:

oh, duh, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure my D945GCLF2 board has svid out

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justinh:

openWeb: you can also adjust the tv output size & position with xrandr

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j-rod:

I've simply ignored svid and composite for about, oh, 4 years now

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openWeb:

D945GCLF2 <- is the board... atom 330...

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justinh:

openWeb: there's really FA documentation so if you wanna know you need to read the driver source :-\

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justinh:

http://pastebin.ca/1373969 is what I use to set up my TV out

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justinh:

there are also controls for gamma/brightness/contrast/chroma level too but I think they only made it to 2.8.x

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openWeb:

thanx ... i'll try it at home, am at work at the moment...

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justinh:

openWeb: YW. took me bloody ages to find out how to fettle it

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openWeb:

i believe that... i'm without real tv now...

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justinh:

cobbled together between what I found on people's blogs, forums & the driver code

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** j-rod still waiting on ion systems to start showing up... **

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openWeb:

waiting for a riser-cable to make the dvb-s-card fit into that small case...

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justinh:

might be a while, until intel & nvidia sort out their little spat

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** justinh thinks about making a wiki article about Intel tv out **

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openWeb:

justinh: would ba creat!

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j-rod:

by the time ion boxen are out, maybe the nasty tearing w/intel will be fixed anyway...

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justinh:

j-rod: it is already I think

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justinh:

in 2.8.x

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j-rod:

oh yeah? hm...

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justinh:

there are a number of hacks to work around it..I saw it in 2.6.something but I think it was dibblah who gave me help with that.

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janneg:

j-rod: tearing is fixed in 2.7-rc

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justinh:

before I'd even installed it on my box

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gbee:

newswipe failed to record last night :/

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justinh:

gbee: it's repeated all over

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j-rod:

I'll have to yell at kristian to make sure to backport that into f11's intel driver...

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justinh:

I found out about never seen star wars at the end,then went to watch it on the iPLayer on virgin cable – and found it had f***ing in-vision signing. Arghhhh

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gbee:

justinh: so long as it's repeated at a time which doesn't clash

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justinh:

MOARTUNERZ ;)

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gbee:

ah bugger, it didn't record because they changed the title

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justinh:

I really need to sort my act out. I've got to do something with custom recording rule setup

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justinh:

oh wow. that'd be nice too. select a show in the guide/finder & opt for the 'find similar names/genres/whatever' action

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mchou:

tearing on intel has been fixed?

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sid3windr:

PATCHES WELCOME!

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sid3windr:

:>

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mchou:

if so, that's great news

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justinh:

yeah I know. there's a lot of stuff I want to do,and stuff I probably CAN do

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justinh:

if I get some time to myself at the weekend I'll svn up my laptop & see the lie of the land

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j-rod:

janneg: this commit, I presume? http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86- . . . ca9cbb3c5e59

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justinh:

still want to rejig the menus to get 'I' onto INFO only & use my persuasion skills (ha!) to have it committed

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mchou:

j-rod: whoa, if that really works.....

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justinh:

after reading the commits list this morning I can't help wondering how much further the UI & OSD features are going to converge though

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mchou:

j-rod: I'd be a really happy amper

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mchou:

camper*

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j-rod:

I'll try to make sure that gets into f11

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justinh:

FWIW I've not seen tearing on my intel FE for ages,not even a little bit

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mchou:

j-rod: the code looks like the real deal, not some lame workaround

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j-rod:

oh hell yeah, its already queued up for post-beta inclusion

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mchou:

j-rod: beta of what? f11?

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justinh:

ah but then I'm on 2.8.something anyway IIRC

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j-rod:

mchou: yeah, f11 is frozen for beta atm

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justinh:

oops. nope. 2.1.x hahahaha

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j-rod:

justinh: I never had any tearing issues w/my old gma950-based system, only w/my newer x3100 system

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** mchou has x3100 mobo arriving today **

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janneg:

j-rod: at least, it might need other commits

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mchou:

with 5 old skool pci slots

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j-rod:

janneg: np, f11 already has a 2.7-rc2-based driver queued up

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j-rod:

so nothing to backport

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j-rod:

was just about ready to bump my main frontend to rawhide anyway

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j-rod:

time to throw that at my t61

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justinh:

hmmm. have to price up a night's hire of some active speakers & stands

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mchou:

I'm predicting the nvidia ion will have some outrageous price when it's released

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mchou:

so of these nettop prices are already ridiculous

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mchou:

s/so/some

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j-rod:

I might be satisfied w/my dell studio hybrid if the tearing is finally fixed, and after I put an SSD in it

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janneg:

j-rod: xorg-server 1.6 leaks memory with kms/DRI2

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janneg:

http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/20 . . . /044671.html

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mchou:

oops

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mchou:

not cool

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j-rod:

janneg: yeah, painfully aware. :)

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janneg:

I'm compiling with above patch now

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j-rod:

krh has patched up most of the leaks now

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j-rod:

intel kms was BRUTALLY slow a week or three ago

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j-rod:

looks like another one we'll want to pick up tho

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justinh:

jees. I could buy a set of active speakers for what it costs to hire

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mzb:

any netbooters awake? I've got an issue with a realtek card ignoring the servername directive. Any ideas?

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j-rod:

janneg: at first glance, the 2.7rc2 driver is actually noticeably snappier than the prior driver I was running...

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mzb:

I've so far tried both "--dhcp-boot..." and "--dhcp-option=66,..." options with luck

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justinh:

never ran into that problem mzb

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mzb:

only just discovered it ... I was running two tftp servers previously

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justinh:

I just copied a config from somewhere, tweaked it a bit & found it 'just worked'

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justinh:

can you not just get the tftp server to dish out different files per MAC?

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mchou:

so seagate 1.5TB 7200.12 for $119. Worth the risk?

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cityLights1:

mchou in a raid?

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mchou:

cityLights1: nah. stand alone

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cityLights1:

ah, ok I guess accrding to what I read

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j-rod:

mchou: my master backend has four of 'em

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mchou:

cityLights1: media only (i.e. no big loss if files "disappear")

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j-rod:

they work just fine these days

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mchou:

j-rod: you have 4x1.5TB?

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j-rod:

yes

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mchou:

j-rod: are they in a raid?

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j-rod:

yes

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j-rod:

well, multiple software raids

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j-rod:

raid1n /boot, raid6 / and raid5 /storage

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j-rod:

with /storage formatting out to about 4T for my media storage

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

you watch too much TV

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mchou:

either that or you are a pack rat

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** J-e-f-f-A feels srorage-deprived at just 3TB ... ;-) **

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J-e-f-f-A:

'storage-deprived' even... ;-)

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j-rod:

its only 1.2T full

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janneg:

j-rod: that's the advantage of raid6 over raid10 with 4 disks?

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vudew:

can anyone suggest a tv tuner card that will work with comcast hd?

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j-rod:

and that's recordings, movies, music and photos

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j-rod:

janneg: ?

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mchou:

vudew: pinnacle 800i (on stations in the clear)

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j-rod:

was that 'what's' rather than 'that's'?

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janneg:

yes

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J-e-f-f-A:

vudew: Any HD tuner will work – just can't tune in encrypted channels, which most are likely to be...

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j-rod:

janneg: raid10 still has a chance of 2 disks failing and everything being lost if its the right (or wrong) 2 disks

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vudew:

i actually have the pinnacle card and its only pulling the first 70 sd channels

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: hat do you mean "any." There are plenty that dont work, and 1 that hardly works

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mchou:

vudew: no, then you are doing something wrong

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j-rod:

janneg: but other than that, probably no other significant advantage

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vudew:

i see

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j-rod:

probably even a bit of a performance hit

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mchou:

vudew: pinnacle 800i is the bee's knees when it comes to HD

[14:13:35]

j-rod:

but this array still absolutely hauls ass

[14:13:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yeah, sorry, what I meant was 'virtually any card supported in Linux'...

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j-rod:

not quad-intel-ssd array fast, but pretty good

[14:14:11]

vudew:

is that the only pinnacle HD card?

[14:14:13]

vudew:

or do they have others?

[14:14:15]

mchou:

vudew: you realize the pinnacle is a hybrid tuner, right?

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cityLights1:

? I am a gentoo user and I can't get 0.21 to display a utf-8 EPG

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** j-rod is on an ssd kick lately... just put an intel ssd in his laptop... **

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cityLights1:

I consulted the wiki page for Fixing_Corrupt_Database_Encoding , yet it still doesnt work for me

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mchou:

vudew: there are at least two pinnacle pci cards that I'm aware of (but only 1 800i)

[14:15:18]

janneg:

j-rod: yeah raid10 should be faster than raid6. I didn't thought the 1/3 chance of data loss due to a second disk failing

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cityLights1:

sphery: hebrew

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mchou:

damn. looks I'm going to fry's on a purchasing binge today

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j-rod:

I miss Fry's

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mchou:

befor the sales tax in CA goes up to 9.25% on 4/1

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j-rod:

yeah, nowadays I just drive 2 miles north and I'm in tax-free New Hampshire

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mchou:

1.5TB seagate for $117

[14:18:39]

j-rod:

I forget what I paid for mine, ordered from newegg

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mchou:

newegg is lame

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j-rod:

if you say so

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mchou:

shipping (packaging) is notoriously poor

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cityLights1:

well I need to take a nap

[14:19:29]

mchou:

expect drives from newegg to be DOA

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j-rod:

I tend to get stuff w/free shipping next day, and haven't ever had a single thing damaged

[14:19:45]

j-rod:

never had a bad drive show up

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gbee:

were that true I'd expect they'd be out of business already

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j-rod:

have ordered at least a dozen drives from there over the years

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mchou:

gbee: go read the newegg comments on any drive

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j-rod:

the only thing I've ever had to rma was a usb 802.11n stick that had a flaky connector

[14:20:40]

j-rod:

their packing isn't always fantastic

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j-rod:

but its always been good enough for me

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mchou:

gbee: virtually all complain about lousy packaging and other horror stories

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j-rod:

mchou: vocal minority

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mchou:

like drives poking out of the box upon arrival

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j-rod:

honestly. I've bought a TON of stuff from there over the years, and know others who have done the same. No problems whatsoever.

[14:21:36]

mchou:

j-rod: and frys drive is retail, not OEM

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j-rod:

eh. retail packs are worthless to me

[14:22:03]

mchou:

i.e. 5 yr warranty (according to the box)

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mchou:

not 3

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j-rod:

ok, that's a plus

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j-rod:

although I'm reasonably sure that's just old stock

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j-rod:

thought seagate was moving *all* consumer drives back to 3-year only

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gbee:

yeah it almost certainly is, they dropped all drives to 3-year

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j-rod:

so good chance that's one of the 1.5T clunkers (just needs a firmware update) :)

[14:23:51]

mchou:

not according to their box. all retail seagate drives say 5yr warranty.

[14:24:13]

mchou:

no, these are 7200.12 (grey retail box)

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gbee:

buy pretty much everything online these days and whilst I can't comment on the USA, it saves me a lot of money

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mchou:

gbee: that's cause you dont have frys

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gbee:

they are probably just running out the old stock of packaging

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mchou:

gbee: if you've nevery been to frys you wouldnt understand

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mchou:

never*

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mchou:

they get drives by the palette

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mchou:

and they disappear in a matter of days

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gbee:

heh, no, looks like they are keeping the 5 year on the retail drives (assuming because they make more money from them anyway)

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

told ya :)

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gbee:

http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/warr . . . anty_matrix/

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gbee:

mchou: well the noise at the time was _all_ drives, no-one was making the distinction (possibly in the tech press, but not in the community)

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j-rod:

mchou: 7200.12 1.5T though? doesn't exist, if you believe Seagate's web site... http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/des . . . uda_7200.12/

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j-rod:

(unless they're just behind the times on the web site...)

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mchou:

hmm, maybe that 1.5TB is 7200.11

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mchou:

oh, watit a sec

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mchou:

it's a 7200.12 for sure

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j-rod:

I figure by the time 3 years is up, I'll be ready to replace my 1.5T drives with four 5T solid state drives or something

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mchou:

j-rod: you are way too optimistic

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j-rod:

yeah, that's a bit pie-in-the-sky, I was mostly kidding. :)

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j-rod:

right now, just hoping for competition for the intel ssd is even optimistic

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mchou:

indeed

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j-rod:

anandtech ssd article from a few days ago was pretty enlightening

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j-rod:

now, if I could replace 4 spindles w/one large SSD in 3 years... even the cheap-ass SSDs *should* be okay for mythtv-type storage, since its all large sequential reads and writes

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j-rod:

its the tiny random r/w where everything but intel sucks ass

[14:47:05]

mchou:

what I find really strange is $/MB is better on the largest hard drives than smaller ones now. That rarely used to be the case

[14:47:57]

j-rod:

well, you have to compare the same controller to the same controller though

[14:48:04]

j-rod:

a lot of the larger ones are using shit controllers

[14:48:29]

j-rod:

(looking at you, jmicron)

[14:48:49]

mchou:

jmicron is a disaster

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j-rod:

yeah, this isn't the first sub-par chip I've seen from them...

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mchou:

avoid like the plague

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** mchou still waiting for 1080 for LCD monitors <=22" **

[14:50:52]

mchou:

at this rate I doubt it will happen

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wagnerrp:

mchou: ive seen one or two around that size

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wagnerrp:

plus theres the 15.4" laptop screens

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gbee:

15.4" screens with a 1920x1080 res?

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mchou:

on a lappy no less?

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jams:

morning all

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tank-man:

ive seen a acer 23" monitors have 1080p

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gbee:

but those wouldn't be <= 22" :)

[14:52:58]

wagnerrp:

gbee: actually 1920x1200

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tank-man:

but close

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wagnerrp:

look for '21.5"' screens on newegg

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mchou:

tank-man: that's almost my point

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wagnerrp:

theres half a dozen 1920x1080 screens on there

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mchou:

tank-man: 23" pricing will crater first befor 22" hit 1080

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tank-man:

any reason you dont want 1 more inch?

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gbee:

wagnerrp: well yeah, would have to be 16:10 – hadn't seen screens that small at that res

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, its finally done

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Shadow__X:

:)

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mchou:

tank-man: $/real estate :)

[14:54:23]

Shadow__X:

hdparm tells me 286MB/sec

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wagnerrp:

looks like one manufacturer started making panels, and a bunch of OEMs bought them up

[14:54:27]

Shadow__X:

that makes me happy

[14:54:35]

wagnerrp:

they all seem to be the same panel, same specs and all

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gbee:

Shadow__X: read, or write?

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Shadow__X:

read how do i test write

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tank-man:

the 1080p acer i saw was priced at $220CAD, similar to other 22" from other brands

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Shadow__X:

the 19 inch 1680x1050s are decent

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wagnerrp:

its a TN panel though, so dithering and display angle problems are there

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Shadow__X:

right how can you tell what panel you have

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wagnerrp:

TN panels usually have much lower viewable angles than the other types

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gbee:

hmm, would have sworn that hdparm offered a write test, but it doesn't

[14:57:20]

GrahamIRC:

I think it just does cached and uncached read tests doesn't it?

[14:57:26]

GrahamIRC:

have you looked at bonnie?

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wagnerrp:

you cant really tell between IPS and MVA/PVA without looking at them in person

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Shadow__X:

gbee, yeah thats my issue i will do whatever test because i would be interested in the results as well as one of my friends swears by hardware raid when this software is extremely fast

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justinh:

just time a dd ;-)

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Shadow__X:

justinh, i rather not fus with dd too many things to go wrong

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GrahamIRC:

has anyone had the firmware bug with the seagate 1.5TB drives?

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GrahamIRC:

as I have 3 or 4 of these now

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justinh:

the input file needn't be the device node. sheesh

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justinh:

s/input/output

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GrahamIRC:

Try Bonnie Shadow__X

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mchou:

GrahamIRC: why, are you expecting the bug?

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: well last time i let my FS re-checksum my array, it was pushing some 300MB/s reads

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GrahamIRC:

I'm hoping not mchou!

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp, how big is your array and is it hardware or software also what kind of drives and how many

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gbee:

heh, just done unbuffered tests on my two media drives for the first time ... one is half the speed of the other

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Shadow__X:

ah

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** gbee wonders if he left it in crippled mode **

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wagnerrp:

Areca, 8x750GB, RAID6

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gbee:

not that write speeds are really all that important to me

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gbee:

err, read speeds

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp, well that would be why

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Shadow__X:

linux software raid 5x1TB raid 5

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justinh:

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? Timing buffered disk reads: 24 MB in 4.39 seconds = 5.46 MB/sec

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Shadow__X:

horrible

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Shadow__X:

my thumbdrive does better

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mchou:

hahaha

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justinh:

that's worse than horrible

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wagnerrp:

'hdparm -T' right?

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

wonder wtf is up with that

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Shadow__X:

if he used t and got that his cache is really screwed

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m4x5151:

i want to configure a xmtv channel list

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m4x5151:

with mythtv

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m4x5151:

someone can help me

[15:03:41]

m4x5151:

im using tv_grab_ar

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justinh:

duh. used -Tt. with -t I get Timing buffered disk reads: 214 MB in 3.01 seconds = 70.99 MB/sec

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justinh:

funky fingers today

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justinh:

phew.

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m4x5151:

?¿

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mchou:

tv_grab_ar? what country is that?

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test3:

argentina

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m4x5151:

yup

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mchou:

ahh

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test3:

anda perdido :)

[15:05:28]

mchou:

where's thet beef??

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mchou:

the*

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m4x5151:

yes

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test3:

m4x5151: porque no usas la busqueda automatica ?

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gbee:

justinh: -T on mine – Timing cached reads: 1754 MB in 2.00 seconds = 876.93 MB/sec

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justinh:

heh

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Shadow__X:

Timing cached reads: 12456 MB in 2.00 seconds = 6233.32 MB/sec

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justinh:

almost triple what I get with -T

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gbee:

only 114MB/s with -t

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test3:

m4x5151: vuelvo en 20 min y te explico en PM

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justinh:

yeh well, it's enough for me :)

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justinh:

then again my box only has PCI

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gbee:

all pretty meaningless – just needs to read off fast enough for video

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wagnerrp:

weee! '/dev/sda: Timing cached reads: 1752 MB in 2.00 seconds = 875.62 MB/sec'

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wagnerrp:

i think somethings broken there

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justinh:

I still have nightmares about upgrading the firmware of the PCI (not PCIe) sata controller card

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Shadow__X:

that cache should be faster

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gbee:

wagnerrp: what drive?

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wagnerrp:

gbee, iscsi drive

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wagnerrp:

hence the... 'i think somethings broken there'

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gbee:

ah

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wagnerrp:

unbuffered reads are a bit more reasonable, 16.5MB/s

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mchou:

wow, I ordered some bike parts from the UK and it arrived in 4 days

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Shadow__X:

if the drive is older but even older sata drives or i guess scsi should be at around 30–40 lowest right

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Shadow__X:

?

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mchou:

that's faster than US mail

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: iscsi, hdparm probably doesnt wait enough time to let the server spool up and start dumping data

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Shadow__X:

hmm oh ok

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gbee:

hmm, I knew it was, but the Intel SSD in my netbook is lousy

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Shadow__X:

hmm get the new super fast ones

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gbee:

not that you really need much speed out of a netbook, it's just not a device you are going to be doing heavy duty work on

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j-rod:

gbee: intel ssd in your netbook is lousy? what model? all the intel ones I'm aware of beat the pants off all other ssd

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j-rod:

quite happy w/the perf of the X25-M in my T61

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j-rod:

the ssd in my aspire one is quite sucktastic tho

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gbee:

j-rod: samsung ssd was the other and all the reviews I read made it the better one

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gbee:

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/8GB-Intel-Z-P2 . . . IF-Connector

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j-rod:

gbee: ah, not a sata one, sorry

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gbee:

yeah, it was before they started making decent SSDs

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j-rod:

most all of the pata zif ones suck badly

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j-rod:

http://anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3531 is a rather good read if you've got an hour to spare

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j-rod:

I'm toying with the idea of picking up an mtron pata zif ssd for my netbook

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j-rod:

I think its samsung-based as well, and yeah, performs way better than that thing (that might actually be exactly what's in my aspire one, iirc...)

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gbee:

give me a decent price (<= £1 per GB) and decent speed then I might consider swapping, but right now I'm happy enough with the SSD – it's slow, but in context that hardly matters

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j-rod:

yeah, its really only an issue when I start playing with rawhide and daily updates...

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sandeen:

so my otherwise-idle mythbox seems to be going nuts writing to the backend log:

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sandeen:

http://fpaste.org/paste/7136

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sandeen:

any idea what this is?

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sandeen:

writing that about every second

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gbee:

compiling is painful, but then it's not a primary machine, I can leave it running while using another

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gbee:

and the CPU limits that as much as the SS

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gbee:

d

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sandeen:

... hm and now it stopped.

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j-rod:

sandeen: did your provider move some channels around? I think I saw something like that briefly when verizon screwed up the pids for one of my channels

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gbee:

sandeen: probably EIT scanning, it's found channels in your lineup which are no longer being broadcast (at those addresses)

[15:41:05]

gbee:

do a re-scan

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sandeen:

hm, ok

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sandeen:

wonder why it says the same thing over and over and ovver and over... some long retry loop or something? :)

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j-rod:

I think that was what I ended up doing. 2x. because a few days later, the channels were back where they used to be

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** sandeen just walked by the box and heard the hard drive going nuts :) **

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j-rod:

my frontend/slave backend has been doing similar incessant logging whenever the cable box disappears

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gbee:

run it past danielk

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sandeen:

so do a rescan w/ minimal updates or something? I don't want to have to re-enter allthe xmltvids :)

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j-rod:

sandeen: I didn't have to re-enter anything

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sandeen:

there are rescan options though right?

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j-rod:

yeah

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Shadow__X:

/join #firefox

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orly_owl:

Is there a way to find out if a card will work or not? I have a bt878 card and I want to buy anothor one: http://gnewsense.pastebin.com/d77a00c6d

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Shadow__X:

i did itz wrong

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Shadow__X:

:(

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meshe:

does the card you have work?

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orly_owl:

yep

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orly_owl:

just tested it in me-tv

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meshe:

then i'm not sure i understand your question, if you buy another one it will most likely work

[16:41:43]

orly_owl:

no i got this card from a friend

[16:41:52]

orly_owl:

he didnt know much about it

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meshe:

you want to buy another card just like the one you posted?

[16:43:09]

orly_owl:

yep

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meshe:

then why wouldn't it work?

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cityLights1:

sphery: ping

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orly_owl:

it does work

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orly_owl:

i just need to know where to buy another one

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meshe:

oh

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meshe:

that wasn't your question :)

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orly_owl:

oh sorry

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meshe:

google the make/model of the card, i'm sure something will show up

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orly_owl:

i meant to say where can i buy another one

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cityLights1:

can anyone here help me with a mysql utf-8 issue?

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orly_owl:

k

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cityLights1:

orly_owl: I can't see utf-8 letters in 0.21

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orly_owl:

i was talking to meshe

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meshe:

orly_owl: does the board have a make model on it?

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orly_owl:

'VisionPlus'

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orly_owl:

ah VP-3021

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meshe:

http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/48773/TV_TUNERS_I . . . 3021(7M).asp

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meshe:

funny the first link is .au

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orly_owl:

160 bucks? jeez

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meshe:

try ebay

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meshe:

http://www.google.com/search?q=VisionPlus+VP- . . . nt=firefox-a

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wagnerrp:

orly_owl: dont

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orly_owl:

?

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wagnerrp:

"I have a bt878 card and I want to buy anothor one"

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wagnerrp:

you may not know this, but you dont actually want another one

[17:02:44]

orly_owl:

are they bad cards?

[17:02:49]

wagnerrp:

they are framegrabbers

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orly_owl:

err

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orly_owl:

but it worked pretty well

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wagnerrp:

they also consume a lot of machine resources, a lot of processor, require dicking around with alsa for audio capture

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orly_owl:

oh

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wagnerrp:

basically, the general consensus is to avoid framegrabbers if at all possible, and grab an IVTV card instead

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: xris tell you someone was in here last night looking for you?

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kormoc:

no?

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kormoc:

who?

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meshe:

for dvb-t maybe a wintvv-nova-t?

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wagnerrp:

apparently someone from your si-mech days

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wagnerrp:

they saw someone on another server logged in through a si-mech IP address, and thought it was you

[17:08:03]

wagnerrp:

mistaken identity

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meshe:

intereting character

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wagnerrp:

anyway, it was around midnight (EST) last night, if you care to check the logs

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gbee:

wagnerrp: from reading back it looks like the bt878 card in question is actually DVB-T, not a framegrabber

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gbee:

orly_owl: ^^ So the stuff about framegrabbers isn't relevant if we're talking about a DVB-T tuner

[17:10:29]

wagnerrp:

the bt878 chip is a analog tuner, digital cards often come with an analog framegrabber attached

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orly_owl:

so i still dont want this card?

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wagnerrp:

are you using it for analog or digital?

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orly_owl:

digital

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orly_owl:

can it be used to pick up analog tv as well?

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wagnerrp:

then go for it... ignore my previous statement

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orly_owl:

oh right

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orly_owl:

i noticed CPU usage was pretty low

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wagnerrp:

digital tv provides a pre-compressed mpeg stream

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wagnerrp:

recording is effectively a data transfer

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orly_owl:

yep

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orly_owl:

so this card will pick up analog tv too?

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wagnerrp:

analog framegrabbers provide raw video at some 250mbps, which has to be compressed on-the-fly

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orly_owl:

:/

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, weird, I found a picture of the dude, I have no clue who he is

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wagnerrp:

its takes a fair bit of cpu, plus you have to figure out how to capture the audio and sync it in

[17:18:18]

wagnerrp:

you already have the hardware, go ahead and try if you want

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orly_owl:

but it could do analog too right?

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cityLights1:

wagnerrp: can you help me with mysql utf-8 issue?

[17:18:52]

wagnerrp:

but if youre looking to buy hardware for analog, the IVTV cards are the way to go

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orly_owl:

oh right

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orly_owl:

no i really want digital

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wagnerrp:

cityLights1: i can point you at sphery, who usually handles all that stuff

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wagnerrp:

who will subsequently slap me for pointing tech support requests to him

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wagnerrp:

i know my way around basic sql queries, but thats the limit of my mysql capability

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meshe:

i know a lot about mysql, but i don't know enough about the internals of myth yet to know how well it integrates with utf8

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wagnerrp:

i know sphery wrote a bit long page about it on the wiki

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cityLights3:

thanks, wagnerrp

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cityLights3:

sphery: ping?

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meshe:

cityLights: multiple personalities?

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kormoc:

Hukt0nWax, You rang?

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cityLights:

I am feeling nuts today

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cityLights:

doing stuff with no apperent reason

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cityLights:

how to ask the boot to tell me when a user was last here?

[17:25:23]

meshe:

!seen <nick>

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cityLights:

!seen sphery

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MythLogBot:

sphery is here and has been idle for 6 hours 20 minutes 12 seconds

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cityLights:

so I guess here is in the europe time zone

[17:27:06]

wagnerrp:

here we go... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Database_Encoding

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** J-e-f-f-A used to have multiple personalities, now he just runs a proxy... ;-) **

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dustybin:

LOL

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J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: did you get your husband's video capture stuff worked out? ;-)

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meshe:

not quite yet, the pvr-150 didn't record in high enough quality, or it was the digital->analog->digital conversion that degraded the recordings

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meshe:

we are probably going to pick up a HD-PVR and use component out on his system

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meshe:

thanks to iamlindoro's suggestion

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J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: Yeah, if you're just doing video, it would be fine, but for 'text' or fine graphics, s-video don't cut it. ;-)

[17:42:23]

meshe:

yeah, well at least i got a remote and pvr-150 in my desktop where I play to learn the myth source code

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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meshe:

i might actually pick up another on tuesday for my production box as my local supplier has a sale on for $40

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cityLights:

I mean the link you gave me

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cityLights:

I am running gentoo, but I created a new database after changing the settings to use latin1

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cityLights:

yet I still dont see the utf8

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keith4:

i've just started using firewire as a tuner... dmesg is now full of "ieee1394: unsolicited response packet received – no tlabel match"

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justinh:

gawd, now I'm in keybinding hell

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justinh:

how the heck are CTRL keys supposed to work in lircrc? the docs say \KEY but \F1 isn't working

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justinh:

ah. CTRL+F1

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justinh:

wahey. now the GUIDE button takes me into the guide

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justinh:

now to sort out the slow repeat rate

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hybr1der:

hi, my tv image is vibrating is there a fix to this?

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J-e-f-f-A:

?

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justinh:

wtf? added repeat = $foo to my lircrc & now no fscking buttons work!

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justinh:

tried removing it on the arrow keys & still none work

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justinh:

oops meant delay not repeat

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hybr1der:

its shaking like 1 pixel up and then 1 pixel down

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J-e-f-f-A:

hybr1der: Sounds like de-interlacing issues – have you played around with different deinterlacing methods to see if any are better than others?

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hybr1der:

didnt know there was an option

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hybr1der:

where can i change that?

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J-e-f-f-A:

hybr1der: ottomh – Settings – TV Settings -> Playback

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justinh:

sounds more like an issue caused by displaying computers on CRT TVs :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Don't know if it'll help, but most of my .lircrc entries only have "prog, button and config", a few have 'repeat' but nothin' else... ;-)

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justinh:

getting there now :)

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meshe:

i just had that same issue and changing from Bob 2x to Greedy 2x fixed it, but I was displaying on my computer monitor

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hybr1der:

okay gonna try that

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justinh:

hybr1der: not only video flickers on TVs when you output PCs to them

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justinh:

graphics & text will too

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J-e-f-f-A:

That's why I don't use TVs for displays anymore... ;-) Computer monitors all the way... ;-) (although HDTV sets have blurred the distinction nowadays!)

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justinh:

right that'll do for now.

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Got things sorted out? ;-)

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justinh:

some buttons are noticably slower than others though

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justinh:

and not mythtv buttons either

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justinh:

controlling the tv

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justinh:

looks like it's sending loads more stuff than it needs to

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: But are you 'forwarding' those from lirc back out via irsend or something?

[18:52:37]

trumee:

guys, is it possible for mythtv 0.21 and 0.22 trunk to co-exist

[18:52:54]

trumee:

i am currently using 0.21 but would like to try 0.22

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J-e-f-f-A:

trumee: no.

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J-e-f-f-A:

trumee: Massive database changes for one thing... no going back once you've commited.

[18:53:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

trumee: (and 0.22 doesn't exist yet... ;-) It's just "Trunk" )

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trumee:

cant i have a separate database for 0.22 ?

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: nah. sucky harmony :-\

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justinh:

trumee: back it up :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: yikes – maybe it didn't learn the codes right????

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Shadow__X:

there isnt a way to have both of them living side by side?

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J-e-f-f-A:

trumee: Perhaps... but isn't 'mythconverg' hardcoded in myth?

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Shadow__X:

i thought you could tell it something diff

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Shadow__X:

but if it is hardcoded you could technically setup another box with mysql and have it use that server

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** J-e-f-f-A is probably wrong^^^ ;-) as is occasionally the case... **

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Shadow__X:

i am not the most knowledgeable with this stuff either

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Shadow__X:

just thoughts

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meshe:

if it just uses mysql.txt for it's connections, then the db name is defined in there

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J-e-f-f-A:

trumee: I just built a small test box from old hardware fore testing... ^^^ meshe is right...

[18:57:08]

meshe:

i'm quite sure there's an option for the database name in mythtv-setup too

[18:57:19]

wagnerrp:

trumee: you can make a new database, and install trunk to a different folder

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Shadow__X:

yeah thats what i would like to believe

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wagnerrp:

just remember youll have to keep swapping out your ~/.mythtv folder as you switch between the two versions

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gbee:

as J-e-f-f-A said it's not 0.22, it's trunk – it's not just a technical difference, it's one of the ways that we disambiguate between a finished product (or even alpha quality) and work in progress

[18:58:17]

trumee:

i guess i wont be able to see the recordings i have made previously.

[18:58:20]

meshe:

what i'm not sure about is if you can define where your binaries go when you install trunk

[18:58:34]

Shadow__X:

can you have a .21 backend but have a trunk secoundary backend?

[18:58:48]

wagnerrp:

meshe: just use the '--prefix' option when running configure

[18:58:56]

meshe:

Shadow__X: not recommended, possibly not possible

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wagnerrp:

the bigger issue would be controlling which binary gets used

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hybr1der:

it worked

[18:59:12]

Shadow__X:

hmm

[18:59:13]

gbee:

Shadow__X: no, they share a database and there are protocol differences anyway

[18:59:17]

hybr1der:

thank you so very much

[18:59:18]

wagnerrp:

youll have to keep reconfiguring PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH

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Shadow__X:

ah ok

[19:00:05]

gbee:

if you setup trunk alongside 0.21, then they must be entirely separate

[19:00:06]

meshe:

wagnerrp: yeah, you're right, i thought the binaries ended up in /usr/bin on my trunk build but i'm wrong

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gbee:

by far the easiest way to do that is to put it on a second machine with it's own database/cards etc

[19:00:45]

wagnerrp:

meshe: i believe by default, the prefix is /usr/local

[19:00:54]

meshe:

wagnerrp: yes, it is

[19:01:22]

gbee:

which is standard for 'locally' compiled applications

[19:02:04]

meshe:

i remember mucking with configure and chose to leave it that way

[19:02:13]

justinh:

after looking at the keybinding stuff, what a frickin nightmare! we're gonna run out of keys soon

[19:02:35]

** J-e-f-f-A did just that ... my old backend, one tuner... ;-) **

[19:02:47]

bulle:

justinh: wiht some luck microsoft will launch windows vista keyboards with even more windows only keys that we can put to use !

[19:03:05]

meshe:

it's my .21 box that has mythfrontend in /usr/bin

[19:03:15]

gbee:

justinh: there are some fairly stupid bindings in there, stuff I can imagine was added without any real vetting

[19:03:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

... Just don't drop your database on your trunk box and start mythtv-setup on it while connected to the network and let it update your 0.21-fixes 'production' box... DOH! ;-)

[19:03:57]

gbee:

justinh: however not all of them are bound to a keyboard key and thankfully they don't need to be

[19:04:06]

justinh:

gbee: yeah true

[19:04:19]

justinh:

lucky thing nobody's used up CTRL+Fkeys yet

[19:04:28]

justinh:

it's dickrickless

[19:04:56]

justinh:

trumee: http://www.squashedfrog.net/article.php?story=20080615193047206

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trumee:

justinh, thanks

[19:05:26]

justinh:

trumee: if you really _must_ – it's still not advised on the same box though

[19:05:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

Maybe set them up to run under different users so that they can't 'step on' each-other?

[19:05:57]

justinh:

now.. let's see if I can find a backup of my old lircrc file somewhere so I can still use the old remote

[19:07:35]

meshe:

J-e-f-f-A: even that's not guaranteed since mysql won't respect the pam user accounts

[19:07:45]

hybr1der:

which video renderer give best quality for SDTV?

[19:07:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

EEK! ;-)

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[19:08:55]

meshe:

the only access restrictions for mysql are mysql user and ip, you'd be coming from the same ip, so that won't work, and i've seen mythcode that looks for global mysql.txt files

[19:09:07]

meshe:

s/mythcode/myth code/

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meshe:

i wouldn't put 2 versions on the same box, especially my production box, I know one night i would forget something and screw it up

[19:10:41]

justinh:

ruh? does mythtv not accept the remote = arg in lircrc?

[19:11:18]

meshe:

justinh: yus

[19:11:30]

meshe:

remote = hauppauge_pvr

[19:11:47]

justinh:

hmm. maybe the problem was with my sed then

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hybr1der:

is there a easy way to shutdown the backend server?

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meshe:

hybr1der: what dist?

[19:14:31]

hybr1der:

ubuntu 8.10

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meshe:

sudo /etc/init.d/myth-backend stop

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meshe:

er

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meshe:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop

[19:15:07]

justinh:

mythtv: bad file format, /home/juski/.mythtv/lircrc:266

[19:15:09]

justinh:

bah

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hybr1der:

super

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hybr1der:

thx

[19:15:32]

meshe:

np

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justinh:

ahhh. nifty. stupid user

[19:16:01]

meshe:

justinh: PEBKAC?

[19:16:01]

justinh:

forgot about the commented out lines

[19:16:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: PEBKAC?

[19:16:08]

meshe:

lol

[19:16:11]

wagnerrp:

ugh... why do people keep PMing me

[19:16:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: hahahahahahahahahaaha!!!!!

[19:16:22]

justinh:

so now I can shove the other remote config in there when I find it :)

[19:16:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: not me! ;-)

[19:16:25]

wagnerrp:

i very rarely notice until several hours later

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justinh:

wagnerrp: /ignore MSGS from * or whatever ;)

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wagnerrp:

more of a manual ignore, than any IRC function

[19:17:31]

justinh:

there's always one limpet who latches onto somebody seen to be a helper

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justinh:

hopefully the last gdm restart now...

[19:22:39]

justinh:

errr nope

[19:25:38]

justinh:

wheee both remotes now work :D

[19:25:59]

justinh:

jees no wonder noobs have so many trials & tribulations

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justinh:

the bloody lirc docs don't agree with myth's implementation, for one thing – in at least the regard of ctrl keys

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justinh:

unless it's just that the lirc website docs are out of date

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bulle:

tribulations, trouble with tribbles

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meshe:

wow, glad i saved that file, 4+ hours working on a schema design and mysql workbench just quit responding to me

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justinh:

nah, latest lirc docs say CTRL-$key is \$key not CTRL+$key so it must be something myth does

[19:32:44]

justinh:

nevermind

[19:33:07]

justinh:

so, somebody said the other day about being limited as to the amount of config changes you can make to harmony remotes in a given period...

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J-e-f-f-A:

[OT] Yikes — My boss just showed me an invoice where somebody missed paying a software renewlal fee for $10k, and the new quote is $30k for reinstatement... ouch!

[19:36:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

(good thing it wasn't ME!) ;-)

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meshe:

hopefully that person wasn't expecting a raise this year

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A, tell them they can employ me for 15 thou a year and ill do it

[19:38:34]

Shadow__X:

how many days of work is that 5 a month

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Shadow__X:

?

[19:38:48]

Shadow__X:

1 a month?

[19:39:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

hehehe... ;-) Renewal for WebSphere MQ support for 1 year...

[19:39:29]

Shadow__X:

hmm nvm i need more money than that stupid college costs

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justinh:

whoah. this remote is very impressive indeed

[19:50:35]

GrahamIRC:

does anyone know where I can get the firmware for a Freecom DVB USB stick?

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GrahamIRC:

dvb-usb-wt220u-zl0353–01.fw

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gbee:

justinh: happier with it now?

[19:53:41]

gbee:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs – funny that should come along today, whilst we were on the subject of the man earlier

[19:53:59]

Hukt0nWax:

here grahamirc

[19:54:01]

Hukt0nWax:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dvb-usb-wt220u-zl0353-01.fw

[19:54:22]

Hukt0nWax:

:D

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Hukt0nWax:

sorry i had to :)

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justinh:

gbee: much :)

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tomtom033:

Why does my LiveTV stop when it thinks that a recording is finished? Can I set it so that it goes on "endlessly"??

[19:55:52]

justinh:

just need to set it up to work with my AV receiver to my liking now

[19:56:07]

justinh:

and add a 'watch movies' activity to mute the telly & crank the amp up :)

[19:56:47]

justinh:

the default for my amp has 26 pages of buttons!

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GrahamIRC:

Thanks HuktonWax

[19:57:32]

GrahamIRC:

but I have tried that – finding just dead links at the mo!

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GrahamIRC:

and I do love to use that LMGTFY link too lol

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Hukt0nWax:

:D

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Hukt0nWax:

i forgot about it and found out about it again last night

[19:58:43]

Hukt0nWax:

good times for sure

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GrahamIRC:

I did have this firmware once upon a time but can't find it anywhere now :-(

[20:00:32]

GrahamIRC:

Wooo! I just found it in my backup server!!

[20:01:06]

meshe:

GrahamIRC: it's on my system, a standard install of mythbuntu 8.10

[20:01:12]

tomtom033:

LOL Graham, you should open up your backup server for google

[20:02:44]

meshe:

GrahamIRC: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=co . . . amp;arch=any

[20:04:03]

GrahamIRC:

blimey!

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meshe:

and you can download the package right from that site

[20:04:53]

GrahamIRC:

sadly there doesn't seem to be an RPM for fedora from their repos or from ATRPMS

[20:05:12]

GrahamIRC:

unless I'm just nopt figuring out the name of the rpm

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byt3m3:

need some help setting up the backend in OSX, any helpers?

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wagnerrp:

not sure if theres much point

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wagnerrp:

how well does mythtv use the capture drivers under OSX?

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gbee:

wagnerrp: firewire

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wagnerrp:

thats what i was thinking, firewire and HDHR would be the only two options

[20:10:04]

gbee:

there are some people running OSX backends with firewire or HDHomeruns

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gbee:

believe that's exactly what Nigel is doing

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byt3m3:

looking to do FW

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byt3m3:

am I a moron, or is running mysql from the command line supposed to drop me into a msql shell?

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wagnerrp:

'mysql' from the command line is supposed to drop you into a shell

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byt3m3:

hmmm

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byt3m3:

thats what I thought

[20:17:12]

wagnerrp:

specifically, the one server you told it to connect to

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wagnerrp:

or the local server socket if you havent

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EvilGuru:

Ooh, dog day afternoon is on tonight!

[20:19:29]

wagnerrp:

ive never actually seen that listed as being on tv, ever

[20:20:05]

gbee:

seems like it's on every three months over here

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gbee:

feels like I just finished watching it from the last time

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wagnerrp:

AMC is about the only thing i have access to that ever plays older movies

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gbee:

not sure it's aged well, or maybe it's just that it's be mimicked too many times

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justinh:

from 26 pages of buttons to just one :)

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genii:

My HD cable box has a firewire plug. So on a whim I plugged it into my XP box and it saw some new equipment but there doesn't seem to be much to be found on the subject of drivers, even when looking for vendor:device codes, etc. Finally discovered it may work under Win with something like firestb. Is there a similar driver/app which could be used in MythTv to capture output?

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byt3m3:

mysql's not my thing

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byt3m3:

can someone tell me how to test a connection to the database?

[20:39:46]

byt3m3:

i thought I did this right

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kslater:

test the connection from where to where?

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kslater:

supposing from a machine acting as a frontend to a machine acting as a backend?

[20:41:26]

kslater:

mysql -h backend.host.machine mythconverg -p -u mythtv

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byt3m3:

sorry

[20:42:09]

kslater:

assuming user mythtv can access the database and mythconverg was used as the db name and that you know the password for mythtv user

[20:42:17]

byt3m3:

all on same machine

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byt3m3:

alright, let me check

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kslater:

then you don't need the -h + machine name

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GrahamIRC:

Does anyone know if there are any command line options for the "Internal" video player, for example to select aspect ratio or audio track or subtitles etc?

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byt3m3:

ok I can connect but the frontend can't

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iamlindoro_:

GrahamIRC, Those things are done from the menu, and no, there are no command line options for those elements

[20:49:04]

iamlindoro_:

GrahamIRC, You can start the command line version of the player (which is really for debug purposes only) and press M and select those things

[20:49:50]

GrahamIRC:

for some films that wont play I override the player with a xine command line, select audio track etc as necessary

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iamlindoro_:

GrahamIRC, But what's that got to do with Internal?

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GrahamIRC:

whilst I can use the menu and change these options for the Internal player it would be really nice just to be able to specify a command line cos I do prefer the internal player

[20:52:01]

GrahamIRC:

probably 80% of the time I have to use xine to play back a video it's because the internal player selects the wrong audio track or aspect ration

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byt3m3:

ok getting closer

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GrahamIRC:

just wondered if command line options existed for the internal player and I just hadn't found them :-)

[20:53:39]

iamlindoro_:

You could patch the internal player to more reliably choose the audio track (although IMO its logic is fairly good already assuming legit sources of material), I'm sure people would appreciate it

[20:56:25]

byt3m3:

ok, when I go to "Watch TV", I get an error about cannot connect to the master backend database...

[20:58:07]

GrahamIRC:

I wouldn't know where to start on the code I'm afraid, but I would think it would be fairly trivial to add command line options for audio track, subtitle, aspect ratio etc for those times when the logic fails

[20:59:04]

iamlindoro_:

If you don't know where to start to do what I described, it's probably not prudent to speculate that it would be trivial to do what you want ;)

[20:59:31]

iamlindoro_:

Fixing the problem properly would be the same or less work

[21:00:25]

jpabq:

iamlindoro: btw, I have been using the on-board NIC on my GA-EP45-DQ6 for a week now. I disabled the other three NICs. No problems.

[21:00:47]

iamlindoro_:

jpabq, Nice, is that with Realtek's drivier, or the OSS one?

[21:01:18]

jpabq:

Kernel 2.6.27-x

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justinh:

good grief you can configure the arse off this remote... and then some

[21:01:34]

iamlindoro_:

if you configure its arse off the batteries will fall out

[21:01:41]

iamlindoro_:

jpabq, nice

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justinh:

heheh

[21:02:07]

iamlindoro_:

jpabq, at some point I'll fix it, probably when I want that PCI slot for something (the one with the NIC in it)

[21:02:07]

justinh:

I said I'd never be sold on the macro stuff. and here I am whittling away some macros

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byt3m3:

ok

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byt3m3:

http://pastebin.ca/1374323

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byt3m3:

is using localhost not ideal here?

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justinh:

not using hostnames with 0.21 is ideal. i.e. don't use hostnames. use IP addresses

[21:06:35]

justinh:

hostnames will be supported in 0.22 but as of now, they ain't

[21:07:01]

justinh:

and yes, we know the fields say hostname. we know :)

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iamlindoro_:

SoI took the day off work to exercise, and now I'm done with half the day to go... the theme may get some love today, finally

[21:09:08]

iamlindoro_:

Though I did sex it up a bit the other day: http://www.fecitfacta.com/detailscreen.ogg

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justinh:

jees. how many different blimmin options does my AV receiver have?! God, I pity AV installers who have to cope with this on a daily basis

[21:09:52]

iamlindoro_:

Though apparently my web server is deciding not to cooperate

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byt3m3:

i guess i'm having trouble with this backend server configuration

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justinh:

all the lurkers just hop on at once? ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

had to check and make sure I hadn't let the domain expire, heh, but no, I blame the host

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justinh:

just thought of something. where the heck does logitech store all this config wizardry?

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justinh:

on their server? humph. hope they're well sorted for backups

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, I think it's allll server side, even most of the "application"

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iamlindoro_:

Got my Dad a Logitech 550 at Christmastime, It seems like a nicely designed bit of equipment

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iamlindoro_:

Grahamwhosit left, so I'll say that the only "movies" that should play reliably wrong in the internal player are stealy pirate movies where some scandinavian puts norwegian as the primary track or whatever

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iamlindoro_:

And to a lesser experienced extent, Blu ray/HD-DVD track selection, but I'm working on that

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d0netsFN:

hey

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d0netsFN:

well

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d0netsFN:

wrong chan for this

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justinh:

oh effing chuff. to compile/install concordance on my windows box I need visual c++ & loads of £££ software

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justinh:

yay open source

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iamlindoro_:

yay open sores!

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justinh:

what kind of ??? I'm speechless

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justinh:

it's almost as bad as... oh wait. better not say

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iamlindoro_:

Just waiting for you to step out of line again and BAM

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iamlindoro_:

channel invasion

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

bah. well, I guess not being able to reorder devices isn't that big of a deal

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iamlindoro_:

ah there we go, host back up

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justinh:

whoah

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justinh:

velly nice. But...

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justinh:

those backgrounds could use a transition I think

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iamlindoro_:

I would not argue with adding transitions to MythUI :)

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justinh:

heh :)

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iamlindoro_:

with someone else adding them, anyway :)

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justinh:

looking spiffy though. Verily

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iamlindoro_:

thanks

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iamlindoro_:

I need to give the other views some love

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iamlindoro_:

*I* use gallery so it tends to get all the work

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iamlindoro_:

development has stagnated a bit since all the screen I use daily are there-ish

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justinh:

I can relate to that

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iamlindoro_:

Time for my daily wiki policing

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justinh:

truncheon at the ready

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justinh:

watercannon loaded

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iamlindoro_:

Mythfeed?

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iamlindoro_:

Isn't MythVodka hacky enough without needing a clone?

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justinh:

is it a clone or just somebody else on the same track?

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iamlindoro_:

Same track, identical aims and functionality

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iamlindoro_:

god forbid a) people collaborate and b) they do anything the right way

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iamlindoro_:

I mean look, Qt 4.5 supports nsplugins

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iamlindoro_:

if you want Hulu et al THAT BAD, then do the smallish amount of work to make mythbrowser use them, and a tiny bit of XML parsing, and maybe some bindings for the flash player controls, and you are DONE

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iamlindoro_:

and OH, no use of external scripts

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iamlindoro_:

or mencoder

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iamlindoro_:

etc.

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iamlindoro_:

</rant>

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iamlindoro_:

Hmm, looks like you UK folks are getting yourselves a National Geographic HD channel

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justinh:

aaand another remote update. yay

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: subscription only no doubt

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iamlindoro_:

SKy, so yeah

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justinh:

riight so what button have logitech called 'standard'... only 300 to choose from

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux1, I've noticed an odd behavior with ttvdb.py-- The initial titles on a scan are going to be like "Carnivale 1x02" or whatever... but the script won't run properly unless the season and episode portion is removed... any chance of getting the script to ignore that part?

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iamlindoro_:

I'm also not sure if I'm using your most recent revision, so apologies if this has been fixed

[22:37:15]

iamlindoro_:

And for reference, that's the -M portion of the script, title lookup

[22:39:36]

iamlindoro_:

Also some issues with non-ascii characters, but I'm not sure if that's a MythVideo issue or a script issue

[22:40:15]

iamlindoro_:

Actually, it's almost certainly a script problem

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iamlindoro_:

http://rafb.net/p/Xt0ouU89.html

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iamlindoro_:

Taht's a result of the result having a grave accent on the "a"

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iamlindoro_:

hoping it's possible to just swap out whatever's set as ascii for UTF8

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux1, Actually, I retract my first comment, this is *solely* related to a non-ascii character

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iamlindoro_:

should have looked more closely before reporting, but anyway, it seems not to work when the returned value is non-ascii, so it's all part of the pastebin above

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RDV_Linux1:

iamlindoro: Just saw your messages. This is definitely a utf8 issue. As the true series title of Carnivale has an utf8 character. I will have to debug and fix for the next release.

[22:55:25]

iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux1, http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/UnicodeEncodeError

[22:55:50]

iamlindoro_:

Apparently there is an "ignore" mode for ascii encode that will throw out the accents, that would be the quick fix

[22:56:00]

iamlindoro_:

but just using UTF8 outright would be nicer

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bulle:

utf8 for the win

[22:56:13]

iamlindoro_:

as throwing away the accent is technically misspelling the word

[22:56:40]

iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux1, Anyway, thanks for being receptive, just wanted to raise it on your radar

[22:57:59]

iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux1, "text = text.encode('latin-1', 'backslashreplace')"

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iamlindoro_:

is it possible to simply use whatever Python wants for UTF-8 there?

[22:58:31]

iamlindoro_:

looks like "utf-8" is what it wants

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RDV_Linux1:

It does not look like the tvdb_api developer is going to fix the search for series in multi-language issue so I may have to do an interim release, I have spent all day dealing with unicode issues on my myth db maintenance script so I am ready to tackle this issue for ttvdb.

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, okay, sounds good :)

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RDV_Linux1:

To be exact Carnivale was one of the series titles I had to deal with and that is now OK.

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iamlindoro_:

:)

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iamlindoro_:

I have just been feeding the DB the right inetref and then it works

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iamlindoro_:

but that obviously is not an appropriate resolution for the average user

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RDV_Linux1:

No full unicode support is the only answer especially when you can select by language!

[23:01:19]

iamlindoro_:

yaeh

[23:01:21]

iamlindoro_:

yeah

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iamlindoro_:

I do need to make another release of the MythVideo patch, any estimate on when to expect the new tvdb? Would rather test that against my changes before posting the new patch

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RDV_Linux1:

The script I just finished even added links to cover images for my directories so I get maximum bling when using flat view. This weekenf for sure, but as late as Sunday mid day EST.

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RDV_Linux1:

I will create a wrapper script that flogs ttvdb with a -M, -D for my full video collection, If it can pass that test then I think I would have covered almost all utf8 issues.

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RDV_Linux1:

I am done for the day but will pick up ttvdb utf8 issues tomorrow bright and early.

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iamlindoro_:

cool

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux1, ping?

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iamlindoro_:

Line 833, print "%s:%s" % (series_name_sid['sid'].encode('utf-8'), series_name_sid['name'].encode('utf-8'))

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iamlindoro_:

appears to be a fix

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RDV_Linux1:

Thanks. I am grabbing, but my own experience is I need a lot if testing to be sure. thanks again.

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iamlindoro_:

yep, no problem, limited testing but fixes the issues I was seeing, not to say that it necessarily fixes them all

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iamlindoro_:

But I know nothing of python, so nothing I say should be trusted ;)

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RDV_Linux1:

Sounds like I know about as much as you do:-D

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iamlindoro_:

You haven't done bad for someone with no knowledge ;)

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RDV_Linux1:

:)

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