| Tuesday, March 24th, 2009, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:07] | unimaginative: | aha, got it. |
| [00:00:11] | iamlindoro__: | Get channels from listing source and scan for channels are either/or, not both/then |
| [00:00:30] | iamlindoro__: | for reference, you scan for digital channels |
| [00:00:33] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, i did..but its limited to hd related items such as the pc5500..the wiki also refers to "another guide" but no link to it...hence the questions. |
| [00:01:33] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, sorry to be a pest, but subsequent posts on mailing lists also fail to explain lirc functionality as well as well.. |
| [00:01:43] | ** cesman wonders how unimaginative is doing... ** | |
| [00:01:45] | cesman: | well |
| [00:01:46] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, not trying to be an ass..but ive done my reading |
| [00:01:48] | ** cesman wonders off ** | |
| [00:01:59] | unimaginative: | cesman, I'm hiding |
| [00:02:01] | Kevin`: | nobody? |
| [00:02:08] | unimaginative: | cesman, user error – I overlooked a setting |
| [00:02:43] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, but the help is appreciated thus far ;) |
| [00:04:09] | ** cesman doesn't know how to do what Kevin` is asking... But is he wanted to know, he'd try running nvidia-settings and see if it would create xorg.conf or google nvidia twin view hdmi composite ** | |
| [00:04:40] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, found this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/PcHDTV_HD-5500 to be relative useless and dated, considering in some cases such as mythdora10 to use 2.6.27 kernel ..so half those steps are uneeded. |
| [00:04:47] | achandra: | anyhow..i digress |
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| [00:32:20] | Kernel: | with mythtv and vdpau...does it auto detect the kind of file and play accordingly? i only used vdpau with mplayer and i had to specify what kinda file it was. |
| [00:36:56] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [00:37:35] | wagnerrp: | however there is not code to ensure the codec has compatible parameters |
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| [00:38:16] | wagnerrp: | so for instance, you cannot play level 5.0+ content, or files with too many reference frames |
| [00:39:20] | wagnerrp: | you will just end up with garbled playback, rather than failing over to software decoding |
| [00:41:50] | wagnerrp: | (those are h264 options, i dont know about mpeg2 or vc1 compatibility) |
| [00:44:29] | Kernel: | ah |
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| [01:01:29] | Zanthus: | y |
| [01:01:33] | iamlindoro__: | n |
| [01:01:43] | Zanthus: | whoops |
| [01:01:47] | Zanthus: | sorry about that |
| [01:01:51] | iamlindoro__: | ;) |
| [01:02:19] | Zanthus: | I meant to type into another channel |
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| [01:13:41] | squish102: | i am moving my backend from one machine to another. they have different ip addresses and hostnames. Can i follow this simple page? http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/tips/migrate-recordings.html |
| [01:14:18] | squish102: | i have rsynced my /recording directory to new machine |
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| [01:16:05] | durin42: | Greetings everyone, my mythtv setup works perfectly except for the fact that I need to reboot the machine about once a week. If I don't, eventually recordings start failing in such a way that mythtv saves no file but the frontend reports that the recording was successful, and LiveTV won't work either. Does anyone have any ideas of things I could try short of adding a reboot to cron? |
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| [01:17:34] | cesman: | squish102: looks valid |
| [01:17:57] | cesman: | squish102: there is also documentation in the MythTV docs |
| [01:18:06] | squish102: | thx cesman.. it didnt work, so i thought there may be the machine name or something |
| [01:18:12] | cesman: | squish102: what distro are you using? |
| [01:18:16] | squish102: | i was trying to find it in the wiki |
| [01:18:32] | ** squish102 goes to check official documentation ** | |
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| [01:23:20] | wagnerrp: | durin42: check your backend logs when it starts failing to record |
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| [01:29:25] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, You're in big trouble |
| [01:29:31] | wagnerrp: | im watching chuck... some 'unknown character' has a bunch of crap on his computer, hits a key and the screen turns into a blinking character |
| [01:29:37] | iamlindoro__: | You've been identified on the user list as a supplier of "patch" |
| [01:29:43] | wagnerrp: | he stands up, and the screen is right back to what he was working on |
| [01:29:56] | iamlindoro__: | Patch, the highly addictive substance craved by those unable to manufacture it themselves |
| [01:30:20] | wagnerrp: | he also has pudgy fingers typing on a tiny tiny wrist keyboard |
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| [01:34:23] | wagnerrp: | he also seems to have left his laptop mouse, cognac, and pearl DS behind |
| [01:34:59] | durin42: | wagnerrp: Backend logs report it's recording normally. |
| [01:35:16] | wagnerrp: | if its creating 0 byte files, it should be complaining about something |
| [01:35:19] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: heh, guess I need to read e-mail... |
| [01:35:22] | durin42: | It's not making files. |
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| [01:35:34] | durin42: | It *thinks* it's recording, but silently failing to do anything at all. |
| [01:35:41] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, Now you really have to start delivering on your work, no more soft touches like me :) |
| [01:35:42] | wagnerrp: | its making no files what-so-ever? |
| [01:36:09] | durin42: | wagnerrp: only in this case – it stops making files, and I have to do a reboot to fix the problem |
| [01:36:22] | wagnerrp: | can you write to the file system? |
| [01:36:24] | durin42: | yeah |
| [01:36:30] | durin42: | filesystem is far from full |
| [01:36:32] | sphery: | durin42: that's what Myth does when the driver/hardware fails to produce data... |
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| [01:36:49] | durin42: | sphery: ack |
| [01:36:57] | durin42: | so the driver is probably hung? |
| [01:37:00] | wagnerrp: | sphery: it usually at least makes an empty files doesnt it? |
| [01:38:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah... thought he said it was making 0-byte files, but that was you |
| [01:38:09] | sphery: | sorry |
| [01:38:12] | durin42: | Is there any mystic linux incantation short of a reboot I can do to smack kernel into reinitializing the driver and/or USB subsystem? |
| [01:38:25] | sphery: | no files tends to be either full disk (as wagnerrp mentioned) or permissions |
| [01:38:35] | durin42: | Neither are true, I can assure you. |
| [01:38:46] | sphery: | note that a disk /could/ theoretically be full even if it has tons of space available... |
| [01:38:47] | wagnerrp: | i was going to say broken file system actually |
| [01:38:51] | sphery: | (out of inodes?) |
| [01:39:00] | durin42: | it's ext3, recently passed fsck |
| [01:39:09] | durin42: | I figured it was an inode problem last time this happened |
| [01:39:30] | sphery: | just in case (though it's highly unlikely), try df -i |
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| [01:39:49] | durin42: | 38367252 free inodes |
| [01:39:58] | sphery: | that should be enough :) |
| [01:40:06] | durin42: | yeah, just a bit |
| [01:40:14] | durin42: | http://pastebin.ca/1369854 |
| [01:40:24] | durin42: | That's the log entries for the backend from one of the failed recordings today |
| [01:40:59] | durin42: | It stores filenames in the database, but there's no file there at all, it's really odd. |
| [01:41:15] | durin42: | When I go to watch livetv after this starts happening, it says it can't get a lock on the card. |
| [01:41:25] | sphery: | I've only seen an out-of-inode filesystem once and it was a poorly-constructed filesystem-in-a-file for a uclibc build environment |
| [01:41:42] | durin42: | Sounds trippy. |
| [01:41:46] | sphery: | they expected you to expand it to an actual filesystem, but I preferred working inside the file. |
| [01:42:01] | wagnerrp: | apparently some botnet preys on openwrt/ddwrt |
| [01:42:04] | sphery: | don't know what else--if not full/permissions--it could be |
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| [01:42:17] | durin42: | wagnerrp: oh? |
| [01:42:51] | durin42: | wagnerrp: oh, /. article |
| [01:44:07] | durin42: | sphery: Anything I can turn on debug-wise to try and nail this bug? I'll gladly recompile things or whatever, I just don't know where to start my wild goose chase. |
| [01:44:29] | sphery: | have you run the backend with -v important,general,file |
| [01:44:41] | sphery: | then watch the backend logs... |
| [01:44:49] | durin42: | No, I'll do that next time this happens. |
| [01:45:35] | durin42: | Already rebooted the machine so it'd pick up on the next recording, but I can just enable the logging and see what I get next time. |
| [01:45:37] | sphery: | you'll need to have it already running with those logging options when it has the problem assuming shutting down/restarting fixes it |
| [01:45:41] | durin42: | Ah, ok |
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| [01:45:54] | durin42: | actually, a backend reset isn't enough |
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| [01:46:01] | durin42: | I have to reboot the whole system |
| [01:46:17] | sphery: | oh, then might actually work better to just get it stuck, then restart the backend (for the purposes of making a small log file) |
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| [01:46:41] | durin42: | ok, I'll try that first, if that fails then I'll just run with the verbose options until it breaks again |
| [01:47:13] | durin42: | sphery: am I likely to have better luck on the maillists or irc once I get some better logs? |
| [01:47:34] | sphery: | wagnerrp: what's "shellcode for many mipsel devices"? Isn't the theory that a shell makes commands agnostic to the underlying architecture? |
| [01:48:04] | sphery: | durin42: the mailing lists have much greater visibility... |
| [01:48:18] | durin42: | sphery: Ok, I'll jump there once I have some better info |
| [01:48:28] | durin42: | sphery: thanks much for your help |
| [01:48:33] | sphery: | a post to the -users mailing list would be seen by a /ton/ of users (many of whom have experience misconfiguring Myth ;) and developers |
| [01:48:47] | iamlindoro__: | s/many of whom/most of whom/ |
| [01:48:51] | squish102: | can i safely delete grep "INSERT INTO \`recordedseek\` " mythtv_backup.sql >> restore.sql |
| [01:48:52] | sphery: | seems that wagnerrp did most of the helping.... I just threw you off course for a while. :) |
| [01:48:56] | squish102: | opps |
| [01:49:11] | wagnerrp: | ugh... the new pod on the space station will be named after stephen colbert |
| [01:49:14] | durin42: | sphery: nah, you gave me some backend flags, and didn't brush it off as impossible |
| [01:49:15] | sphery: | squish102: trying to do a partial restore? |
| [01:49:16] | squish102: | pls ignore, cut and paste to wrong window |
| [01:49:20] | durin42: | wagnerrp: thanks to you too |
| [01:49:21] | wagnerrp: | that makes ASBOLUTELY no sense |
| [01:49:31] | sphery: | squish102: if so, that will break your DB |
| [01:49:43] | squish102: | sphery i am trying to move my recordings from one computer to another |
| [01:49:55] | durin42: | sphery: last time I was looking for help with this, it was declared an impossible problem, thus my blaiming the filesystem and attempting repeated fscks |
| [01:50:00] | squish102: | so i am folloeing the documentation |
| [01:50:09] | Kernel: | hmmm. it seems when i checked out mythtv...its was 0.22 and not 0.21 fixes |
| [01:50:10] | sphery: | squish102: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7 is broken |
| [01:50:19] | Kernel: | how exactly do i checkout the 0.21 with fixes? |
| [01:50:31] | Kernel: | im not seeing any links by searching google |
| [01:50:32] | squish102: | but my machine name is changing, so i have added a sed in there |
| [01:50:50] | squish102: | opps |
| [01:50:56] | sphery: | Kernel: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ |
| [01:50:57] | squish102: | ok that is what i am following |
| [01:51:00] | sphery: | instructions there |
| [01:51:12] | sphery: | squish102: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _plugin_data works |
| [01:51:28] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _of_a_backup works once patched with http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6013 |
| [01:51:36] | Kernel: | ah ok. i must have been googling the wrong thing. |
| [01:51:37] | Kernel: | but thanks |
| [01:51:39] | Kernel: | :) |
| [01:51:47] | squish102: | ok thanks, will check it out... can i delete all rows in the tables referenced by http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7? |
| [01:51:56] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7 would work if done with http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3762#comment:8 |
| [01:52:02] | iamlindoro__: | anykey_, justinh, need those variable-width buttons, get ON it already |
| [01:52:22] | iamlindoro__: | Finally get inspiration for my menu layout and you guys totally let me down. ;) |
| [01:52:57] | sphery: | squish102: if you've already done part of the partial restore, I'd recommend starting over... |
| [01:53:12] | sphery: | otherwise, you may have a system that works with 0.21-fixes, but that can't get upgraded to 0.22+ |
| [01:53:28] | squish102: | i followed this one first http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/tips/migrate-recordings.html |
| [01:53:46] | squish102: | and only after that did i start looking at the one in the documentation |
| [01:54:20] | sphery: | that one would be OK since it doesn't strip required info |
| [01:54:49] | squish102: | but it didnt work :( |
| [01:54:59] | sphery: | the reason the docs don't explain that approach is because they assume users are too, er, short-sighted to get an appropriate partial backup /before/ killing the old DB |
| [01:55:05] | sphery: | squish102: how did it not work? |
| [01:55:33] | sphery: | if you had a valid DB schema to restore to, it should work fine (assuming there are no create tables or that the create tables use if not exist) |
| [01:56:01] | squish102: | ummm, i didnt get all the rows into the new db... then i thought about the machine name having changed, so i stopped checking |
| [01:56:03] | sphery: | I will admit that the instructins there leave out about 90% of the required info... |
| [01:56:50] | squish102: | i started with a perfectly working mythtv on new box.. and now was trying to move all my old recordings over |
| [01:57:19] | sphery: | I'd recommend taking a full backup, doing the name-change on the backup (the cat | set at http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.15 ), then using the restore script |
| [01:57:31] | sphery: | of course, i'm somewhat biased in that recommendation :) |
| [01:58:16] | squish102: | ok, i may try that.... i'm a little worried though ;) |
| [01:58:29] | ** squish102 remembers to make a backup first ** | |
| [01:58:52] | sphery: | oh, and that's starting with a full backup of the old DB (not the current/new one) |
| [01:58:55] | iamlindoro__: | Did you know? Every time sphery saves a database, Darwin kills a kitten. True fact. |
| [01:59:23] | ** iamlindoro__ wishes someone would upload some decent fanart for Gattaca ** | |
| [01:59:46] | squish102: | all this pain after a little rm * in recordings directory by mistake! |
| [02:00:02] | sphery: | well, squish102 just gave me an idea for how to improve the restore script (allowing name change /and/ partial restore--as doing it in 2 steps won't work with the current script unless you /really/ know what you're doing) |
| [02:00:22] | sphery: | squish102: were you trying to remove the PNG's? |
| [02:01:34] | squish102: | i was prepping a new server, and thought i was in the recordings dir of new machine... |
| [02:01:41] | sphery: | oh... |
| [02:01:45] | squish102: | wrong! |
| [02:02:16] | squish102: | anyway i am in the big poo poo with wife |
| [02:02:20] | sphery: | I've heard of someone doing an "rm * .png" in the recordings dir when trying to get rid of previews |
| [02:02:32] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
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| [02:03:48] | squish102: | so then i did an ext3grep to try recover as much as possible |
| [02:04:19] | squish102: | i need to find a filesystem that handles mythtv that has better undelete options ;) |
| [02:04:27] | sphery: | nice... I've never taken file recovery that far. |
| [02:05:02] | squish102: | i must have at least a 90% recovery after quick unmounting |
| [02:05:19] | squish102: | out of about 800gig of recordings |
| [02:11:36] | sphery: | nice |
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| [02:12:00] | sphery: | I lost more than 20% of a drive when the drive began to fail... |
| [02:14:59] | sphery: | kormoc: now I'm wondering if apple guy on -dev list knows that /you/ are one of those devs he's afraid may shoot down his idea (seems he thinks you're joe nobody)... Anyway, I'm sure you made him /very/ happy by committing #4956 (he's the one who posted on the ticket and at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/341100#341100 about how the patch needed to go in for what I think is the predecessor to his current ... |
| [02:15:05] | sphery: | ... iphone app) |
| [02:15:34] | Kernel: | hmm. any ideas why 0-21-fixes wont compile? http://pastebin.com/m3eb68c8c |
| [02:15:42] | Kernel: | wierd error |
| [02:16:26] | wagnerrp: | looks like youre missing some qt package |
| [02:16:40] | Kernel: | hmm. i thought i had it all installed |
| [02:16:51] | wagnerrp: | namely the qt3.3 network libraries |
| [02:17:01] | Kernel: | i installed everything on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ubuntu-8.10_Source_Install |
| [02:17:16] | sphery: | looks like a sed failure prevents creation of version.cpp |
| [02:17:31] | kormoc: | sphery, Heh, nice, I didn't put that together :) |
| [02:17:32] | sphery: | oh, and you need to compile against Qt3 |
| [02:17:47] | sphery: | trunk is currently being ported to Qt4 |
| [02:17:55] | sphery: | Qt3 and Qt4 are very different |
| [02:18:23] | Kernel: | oh isee. the directions i folowed i guess where for trunk. should have payed more attention. so i prob have all the dependencies for 0.22 |
| [02:18:29] | Kernel: | yea |
| [02:19:00] | sphery: | though really the only changed dependency should be Qt4/Qt3 |
| [02:19:22] | sphery: | so, if you install Qt3 (and ensure it's the one configured in your build environment), it will likely build |
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| [02:19:42] | Kernel: | hmm |
| [02:19:44] | Kernel: | ok |
| [02:19:46] | m4x51: | anyone here tried an Osprey 440 card ? |
| [02:19:56] | wagnerrp: | never heard of it |
| [02:19:59] | Kernel: | how would i ensure its the one in the build? |
| [02:19:59] | m4x51: | on linux |
| [02:20:08] | m4x51: | i have a problem with the osprey 440 card |
| [02:20:13] | wagnerrp: | what is it? |
| [02:20:20] | m4x51: | i need to figure out how to record the video stream |
| [02:20:27] | m4x51: | i have a set top box |
| [02:20:30] | m4x51: | attached to it |
| [02:20:39] | wagnerrp: | so this is a framegrabber |
| [02:20:40] | m4x51: | from my video cable company |
| [02:20:49] | sphery: | Kernel: no idea... but one thing that could help is knowing that Qt3 requires a QTDIR=/path/to/qt env var and Qt4 doesn't... |
| [02:21:02] | Kernel: | hmm |
| [02:21:05] | sphery: | I'm clubuntu-less |
| [02:21:05] | m4x51: | anyone can help me a bit with my setup ? |
| [02:21:47] | m4x51: | im trying with xawtv first |
| [02:22:57] | Kernel: | hehe' |
| [02:24:39] | sphery: | Kernel: i'm thinking the sed error will get cleared up when you switch to qt3 (by qmake3 vs qmake4) |
| [02:25:04] | Kernel: | yea. trying to figure out how to tell it to use the qt3 |
| [02:25:10] | Kernel: | i uninstalled the qt4 stuff |
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| [02:30:01] | m4x51: | xawtv |
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| [02:30:34] | m4x51: | i have a set top box that send me a PAL-NC signal |
| [02:30:44] | m4x51: | to my Osprey 440 video capture card |
| [02:31:19] | m4x51: | anyone can help me setup it so i can watch channels on xawtv and change channels by changing them manually on my set top box ? |
| [02:31:40] | iamlindoro__: | m4x51, We don't do xawtv here, you probably want #v4l |
| [02:31:40] | m4x51: | as far as i know, the problem is that i dont need a tuner module |
| [02:36:18] | m4x51: | this is for mythtv |
| [02:36:31] | m4x51: | can i use my recoding video card |
| [02:36:36] | m4x51: | without setup a tunner ? |
| [02:36:47] | iamlindoro__: | m4x51, You need to get your card set up first, and they can help you with that in #v4l |
| [02:36:50] | m4x51: | if i use a hardware set top box to select the channels |
| [02:36:56] | m4x51: | i have my card setup already |
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| [02:37:07] | m4x51: | its osprey 440 |
| [02:37:11] | m4x51: | bttv |
| [02:37:13] | m4x51: | driver |
| [02:37:18] | iamlindoro__: | then why are you asking for help setting up xawtv and your set top box? |
| [02:37:28] | m4x51: | forget wawtv |
| [02:37:32] | iamlindoro__: | xawtv has nothing to do with mythtv |
| [02:37:33] | m4x51: | xawtv |
| [02:37:36] | m4x51: | all i need is mythtv |
| [02:37:45] | m4x51: | my question is.... |
| [02:37:53] | iamlindoro__: | and you cannot change channels manually on your box with myth, if you want to use that card you will need to buy an IR blaster |
| [02:38:05] | m4x51: | ya i already setup that IR stuff |
| [02:38:15] | iamlindoro__: | OK, enough being ignored |
| [02:38:18] | m4x51: | i can change channels i even setup the channel changing script for my top box on mythtv |
| [02:38:21] | iamlindoro__: | back to doing something interesting |
| [02:38:26] | m4x51: | :( |
| [02:38:39] | m4x51: | bad |
| [02:38:43] | m4x51: | im really desperate about this |
| [02:39:14] | m4x51: | but i just need to understand if im doing it fine with the signal |
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| [02:39:29] | m4x51: | my set top box sends a PAL-NC signal to my video card |
| [02:39:31] | m4x51: | is that okey ? |
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| [02:46:51] | m4x51: | anyone here willing to help me ? |
| [02:47:07] | m4x51: | who is mythtv expert here? |
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| [02:49:35] | achandra: | hello all..posted up a little earlier about getting pchdtv 5500 working. Ive gotten as far as a scan, and then list, and mythfilldatabase. When running frontend, i get no picture at all. Any ideas? --this was done with a qam256 scan/cable |
| [02:51:30] | m4x51: | achandra |
| [02:51:38] | m4x51: | are you using a set top box ? |
| [02:51:52] | achandra: | nope its out of the picture at this point |
| [02:52:04] | achandra: | m4x51, hooked up straight to wall |
| [02:52:11] | m4x51: | oh i see |
| [02:52:15] | m4x51: | well i use a set top box |
| [02:52:21] | m4x51: | so i guess i shouldnt scan right ? |
| [02:52:32] | m4x51: | i mean scan/list |
| [02:52:36] | achandra: | i have an sa8300hd, and earlier was asked to take that out of the loop |
| [02:52:44] | achandra: | is that what you mean? |
| [02:52:47] | m4x51: | since i select the channel on my set top box |
| [02:53:32] | achandra: | earlier posts from cesman and others indicated that I should take the equation of the set-top box out of the loop and give it a try |
| [02:53:39] | achandra: | so far blank screen :( |
| [02:53:49] | achandra: | but at least high channels appear to scan correctly |
| [02:54:00] | achandra: | so im close..but dont know what im missing --- |
| [02:54:06] | kormoc: | m4x51, as iamlindoro_asked you many times, how do you plan to have myth change the channel on the STB? |
| [02:54:25] | m4x51: | i have a IR blaster |
| [02:54:28] | m4x51: | i already configured that |
| [02:54:38] | achandra: | m4x51, ^^^...is that working ? |
| [02:54:45] | m4x51: | i have a channel changing script and send IR signals using the IR emitter commandir |
| [02:54:47] | m4x51: | yes |
| [02:54:49] | m4x51: | that is working |
| [02:54:50] | achandra: | k |
| [02:54:56] | achandra: | pc5500? |
| [02:54:59] | m4x51: | now i just need to figure out how to watch that PAL-NC stream |
| [02:55:04] | kormoc: | m4x51, then yes, you don't scan |
| [02:55:05] | m4x51: | Ospret 440 is my card |
| [02:55:15] | achandra: | i see...that is non-hd right? |
| [02:55:24] | m4x51: | but my set top box still will send me the PAL-NC on a channel right ? |
| [02:55:42] | m4x51: | if i scan it should list only one channel right ? the channel that my set-top box is sending ? |
| [02:55:42] | kormoc: | m4x51, that depends on the STB |
| [02:55:44] | achandra: | have you tried to hook it straight up to wall to see what happens? |
| [02:56:07] | kormoc: | m4x51, depends on the card/stb. the channel scan isn't perfect |
| [02:56:09] | m4x51: | i cant hook it up straight to the wall because the connector is different |
| [02:56:26] | m4x51: | if someone can help me with this setup i can pay |
| [02:56:37] | m4x51: | i just need to get the video working |
| [02:56:43] | m4x51: | using the set top box |
| [02:56:56] | achandra: | m4x51, what is the set top? |
| [02:57:03] | achandra: | manufacturer? |
| [02:57:23] | m4x51: | i already have it |
| [02:57:25] | m4x51: | its motorola |
| [02:57:27] | m4x51: | dct700 |
| [02:57:30] | m4x51: | im on Argentina |
| [02:57:34] | m4x51: | we use PAL-NC here |
| [02:57:39] | achandra: | i see |
| [02:57:56] | m4x51: | i already configured lircd for the motorola dct700 stb |
| [02:58:08] | m4x51: | and it changes the channels correctly using the ir emitter |
| [02:58:22] | m4x51: | i also have |
| [02:58:27] | kormoc: | what input type are you using? |
| [02:58:47] | m4x51: | i also have /dev/video0 /dev/video1 etc |
| [02:58:55] | m4x51: | what do you mean by input type ? |
| [02:59:13] | m4x51: | input type... /dev/video0 ? |
| [02:59:20] | m4x51: | thats the device |
| [03:00:07] | kormoc: | no, what is the cable type going to your card? svideo? composite? etc |
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| [03:00:55] | m4x51: | its CBR, well really my set top box is connected to the wall, and then i have a RCA like ? 3 cables |
| [03:01:00] | m4x51: | 2 for audio and 1 for video |
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| [03:01:33] | m4x51: | and i have an adapter that converts the video plug to CBR |
| [03:01:41] | kormoc: | okay, with that type you don't even use a tuner |
| [03:01:44] | kormoc: | and you don't scan |
| [03:01:48] | achandra: | kormoc, maybe i missed a step here with the pc5500.. just popped it in and moved forward with mythdora10..did i miss a driver somewhere? |
| [03:02:08] | m4x51: | right, im not using a tuner |
| [03:02:10] | kormoc: | achandra, the driver for that card is the ivtv driver, there's walkthoughs on the wiki for that |
| [03:02:17] | m4x51: | you are the best kormoc |
| [03:02:18] | kormoc: | m4x51, so why try to set a channel or scan? |
| [03:02:49] | m4x51: | i dont know kormoc, if i dont plug the tv cable im supposed to see black screen ? |
| [03:02:54] | achandra: | kormoc: could you be so kind as to point me to the wiki for that please..appears im missing something on the one i googled. |
| [03:03:32] | m4x51: | kormoc so my input is svideo ? composite ? |
| [03:03:36] | m4x51: | what kind of input i have ? |
| [03:03:56] | achandra: | m4x51, appears to be composite |
| [03:04:06] | achandra: | m4x51, red, yellow, white cable? |
| [03:04:10] | m4x51: | it says |
| [03:04:10] | m4x51: | 4 Composite (BNC) video inputs |
| [03:04:15] | kormoc: | achandra, wiki.myhtv.org |
| [03:04:17] | m4x51: | the cables are green |
| [03:04:37] | kormoc: | m4x51, yes, use composite |
| [03:05:18] | m4x51: | so my top box i have 3 outputs, 2 for audio, 1 for video, the 3 cables end the same way, and i have an adapter for the video cable that converts so i can plug it on the BNC input |
| [03:06:32] | kormoc: | you'll need to know what channel the box is converting it to |
| [03:06:59] | m4x51: | kormoc, right, thats what i mean for example |
| [03:07:03] | m4x51: | if i plug my set top box to a tv |
| [03:07:15] | m4x51: | then it will run on a channel on the tv right ? |
| [03:07:20] | m4x51: | i need to know that channel |
| [03:07:42] | kormoc: | read the manual that came with the converter? |
| [03:07:55] | m4x51: | for example say i plug my set top box to my tv and i have to tune my tv to channel 3 to be able to watch tv |
| [03:08:24] | m4x51: | so for example on the set top box i change it so that it outputs me channel 10 from my cable company to channel 3 on my tv |
| [03:08:26] | m4x51: | is that okey ? |
| [03:10:22] | m4x51: | so i have to instruct mythtv that it should get the stream from channel 3 on my set top box ? |
| [03:10:47] | m4x51: | kormoc, i know the box converts it to PAL-NC |
| [03:10:58] | m4x51: | do i need to know anything else ? :) |
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| [03:11:44] | m4x51: | here is the manual 4 Composite (BNC) video inputs |
| [03:11:49] | m4x51: | http://www.cablevision.net.mx/pdfs/DCT700.pdf |
| [03:12:41] | kormoc: | Why are you using a RF Converter box when the cable box has a RF output? |
| [03:13:09] | m4x51: | i dont know kormoc |
| [03:13:12] | m4x51: | im doing it wrong ? |
| [03:13:17] | m4x51: | i dont need that set top box ? |
| [03:13:39] | kormoc: | I don't know, perhaps you don't? Are you grabbing analog or digital cable? |
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| [03:14:27] | m4x51: | analog |
| [03:14:38] | m4x51: | kormoc: here you can see a picture of the 2 audio |
| [03:14:43] | kormoc: | then you shouldn't need the cable box at all, just hook the card directly to the wall |
| [03:14:44] | m4x51: | outputs that i have on my set top box |
| [03:14:47] | m4x51: | http://www.avalive.com/pimages/pimage_37897.jpg |
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| [03:15:16] | m4x51: | you see those audio cable ? |
| [03:15:28] | m4x51: | well i plug all my audio output cables from my set top boxes to it |
| [03:15:36] | achandra: | kormoc, was able to pull this from /var/log/messages – mythtv kernel: DVB: frontend 0 frequency 1005000000 out of range (54000000..858000000)..any idea if this is the issue? |
| [03:15:48] | m4x51: | so basically i have 4 set top boxes that output 8 audio cables |
| [03:15:53] | m4x51: | and i plug them all there |
| [03:16:11] | kormoc: | achandra, the pvr 500 isn't a DVB card, that shouldn't happen |
| [03:16:18] | m4x51: | and the video output of my stb is the same plug that the audio ones |
| [03:16:30] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [03:16:31] | achandra: | kormoc, its a pc5500hdtv card |
| [03:16:42] | kormoc: | achandra, that's slightly different then a pvr500.... |
| [03:16:46] | achandra: | yep |
| [03:16:55] | m4x51: | scan/list shouldnt work on analog signal, right ? thats only for digital signal |
| [03:16:59] | kormoc: | whoops, I misread |
| [03:17:31] | kormoc: | m4x51, I have no idea what you're talking about. That 4 input seems to be audio only? How are you going to capture any video? |
| [03:17:42] | achandra: | kormoc, no worries...appreciating the help thus far.. |
| [03:18:13] | m4x51: | RCA |
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| [03:18:29] | m4x51: | i have my set top box that has 2 RCA audio outputs and 1 RCA video output |
| [03:18:51] | m4x51: | i convert the RCA plug into BNC input to plug it to my capture card |
| [03:19:04] | kormoc: | Right |
| [03:19:07] | m4x51: | that sounds fair ? |
| [03:19:13] | kormoc: | just take a cable from the wall and plug it directly into the capture card |
| [03:19:27] | kormoc: | use a single coax cable |
| [03:19:42] | m4x51: | kormoc and then i should scan/list on that analog signal ? |
| [03:20:02] | m4x51: | the thing is that i need something that decodes the signal, thats why i need a set top box i think |
| [03:20:08] | m4x51: | because the set top box outputs PAL-NC |
| [03:20:21] | m4x51: | and if i connect directly from the wall, ill get an encripted stream |
| [03:20:34] | kormoc: | m4x51, you said it's a analog signal. Analog signals are not encrypted |
| [03:21:04] | m4x51: | oh |
| [03:21:06] | m4x51: | so its digital signal |
| [03:21:10] | m4x51: | because its encripted |
| [03:21:11] | achandra: | kormoc, the Frontend ID detects as pcHDTV HD-5500 subtype: ATSC is that correct? |
| [03:21:16] | m4x51: | right ? |
| [03:21:38] | m4x51: | i think the analog signal is the one that the set top box outputs ? |
| [03:21:51] | m4x51: | my set top box takes a digital signal and converts it to analog, right ? |
| [03:21:54] | kormoc: | m4x51, yes, so then hook a coax from the cable box directly to the card, skip the converter box |
| [03:22:03] | kormoc: | achandra, that should be, aye |
| [03:22:47] | achandra: | kormoc, one down..that is correct...then input..tied to cable.. — lemme confirm other settings... |
| [03:23:14] | m4x51: | the outputs of my set top box are composite |
| [03:23:19] | kormoc: | achandra, you know you're unlikely to receive much over the cable? |
| [03:23:35] | kormoc: | m4x51, the link you sent had a 'tv/vcr output' that was coax |
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| [03:23:54] | m4x51: | yes kormoc |
| [03:23:57] | m4x51: | but i dont use that one |
| [03:24:00] | m4x51: | i use the other ones |
| [03:24:03] | kormoc: | m4x51, why not? |
| [03:24:21] | m4x51: | the ones on the figure 1 and 2 |
| [03:24:31] | kormoc: | that doesn't answer why not |
| [03:24:49] | m4x51: | because i cant plug directly the coax to my video card i think |
| [03:24:54] | m4x51: | the video card has BNC input |
| [03:25:05] | m4x51: | coax wont plug in the BNC input i think |
| [03:26:03] | achandra: | kormoc, doing another scan..with just cable ...and low channels appear to time out..and channels at 66 and beyond give strong signal strength...once done i click the list-channels. and move forward..still blank screan with above posted /var/log/messages logs. any clue? --followed the wiki to the "t" thus far. — http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/PcHDTV_HD-5500 |
| [03:27:18] | kormoc: | oh lord, it's not a standard card at all |
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| [03:27:49] | kormoc: | achandra, what's the mythtv backend logs say? |
| [03:28:26] | achandra: | kormoc, good call lemme see |
| [03:28:30] | m4x51: | kormoc: this is the connector my card has for video: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNC_connector |
| [03:29:06] | m4x51: | kormoc: do you think i can plug the coax directly on my card to that bnc connector ? |
| [03:29:50] | achandra: | kormoc, is there a pastebin avail for this irc channel? |
| [03:30:07] | achandra: | yep see it in topic --- |
| [03:30:09] | achandra: | nv |
| [03:30:10] | kormoc: | achandra, pastebin.ca or .com or anything else |
| [03:30:35] | kormoc: | m4x51, that card is not a card any of us really know about. You'll likely have to talk to then #linuxtv folks and see what they know |
| [03:30:36] | m4x51: | kormoc is the best |
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| [03:31:13] | achandra: | kormoc, http://pastebin.com/m5c8c98b3 |
| [03:31:19] | m4x51: | kormoc, to be more specific, if i dont use a set top box then i have to setup a software tuner to be able to decode the digital signal, right ? |
| [03:31:57] | m4x51: | i mean if i plug directly my card to the wall, ill have to setup a software tuner and ill have to change channels by software ? by scanning frecuencies ? |
| [03:32:02] | kormoc: | achandra, so the 'encrypted' tells you that the channel in encrypted and thus unviewable |
| [03:32:13] | kormoc: | m4x51, that card can't go to the wall directly |
| [03:32:33] | m4x51: | kormoc: so ill have to use a stb, right ? |
| [03:32:38] | kormoc: | yes |
| [03:32:50] | m4x51: | kormoc: so i already have the stb connected to the card |
| [03:33:19] | m4x51: | kormoc: what more do i need to configure for it to be able to be used on MythTV ? all i know that it uses PAL-NC and Argentina frecuencies |
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| [03:33:51] | m4x51: | i just want to say for example select channel 30 on the set top box and then order MythTV to record it |
| [03:34:03] | m4x51: | i already have the IR blaster configured for that |
| [03:34:10] | m4x51: | and the channel changing script working too |
| [03:35:19] | m4x51: | do you know what i need to do kormoc ? |
| [03:35:56] | achandra: | kormoc, what are my options here..to continue to just up on keyboard and watch logs? — trying to determine next steps here. |
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| [03:37:52] | kormoc: | achandra, well, in short, cable companies are only required to give you the broadcast channels in HD in the clear, which you can get via an antenna anyway, outside of that, it's a potshot if it'll be clear or not, with mostly not. I'd start by looking for the known to be more likely then not clear ones (ABC, NBC, etc) and see if they are in the clear, if not, you're really boned |
| [03:39:27] | achandra: | kormoc, okay...btw..i "can" signal my sa8300hd through firewire..i.e...channels change up/down on the box when i initiate a change on mythtv...no guarantees that that will work right? |
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| [03:40:17] | m4x51: | kormoc: so my set top box converts from digital to analog ? |
| [03:40:25] | achandra: | kormoc, if nothing else this has been a painfully good lesson of "free" versus not. |
| [03:41:51] | kormoc: | achandra, aye, no guarantee |
| [03:41:58] | kormoc: | m4x51, yes |
| [03:42:55] | m4x51: | kormoc: so i need to perform a scan/list if i use my stb ? |
| [03:43:23] | m4x51: | i cant scan/list on an analog signal, right ? |
| [03:43:38] | m4x51: | scan/list is only for digital signals? |
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| [03:45:44] | achandra: | kormoc, she works!!! |
| [03:46:00] | kormoc: | snaz |
| [03:46:03] | achandra: | kormoc, i see that the channel assignments were all borked |
| [03:46:19] | achandra: | kormoc, so i picked the wrong type of assignment im guessing |
| [03:46:36] | achandra: | kormoc, or do i have to go through the crappy steps of renaming everything? |
| [03:47:03] | kormoc: | typically you'd get the channel lineup from your schedule provider (schedulesdirect.org or similar) |
| [03:47:23] | kormoc: | and with that, I need to go |
| [03:47:25] | achandra: | kormoc, got that part..but the scan appears to number them weird.. |
| [03:47:47] | achandra: | kormoc, np if you have to go...i appreciate the help and should be able to drive her home |
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| [03:56:59] | mzb: | can anyone tell me if mythtvosd is supposed to be working in trunk? Perhaps I've missed a dev lib or something? |
| [04:02:29] | iamlindoro__: | mzb, I think that there are few enough of us using trunk that mythtvosd not working might be very possible |
| [04:02:51] | mzb: | figured :| |
| [04:03:13] | mzb: | ah well |
| [04:03:24] | iamlindoro__: | bug reports are good, patches better still :) |
| [04:03:37] | iamlindoro__: | but as the OSD is getting gutted shortly it might be for naught |
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| [04:05:19] | mzb: | hmm ... gutted how? |
| [04:05:39] | iamlindoro__: | as in, ripped out and rewritten in MythUI |
| [04:06:03] | iamlindoro__: | Though whether that will be in time for .22 I couldn't tell you |
| [04:06:15] | iamlindoro__: | As it surely won't be me to do it :) |
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| [04:07:42] | mzb: | ok |
| [04:08:00] | mzb: | got other things to concentrate on anyway ;) |
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| [04:09:27] | achandra: | wondering is someone can help with channel numbering issue – i have channel numbered as 94#4 instead of channel 4 ...does this mean i have to renumber all channels?? or did i not pick the right option? |
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| [04:09:50] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, btw..thanks for help earlier...pointed me in right direction |
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| [04:14:51] | wagnerrp: | 'for ty and chelsie, call 1-800-blehblehbleh...' |
| [04:15:05] | wagnerrp: | my god! primetime tv has turned into late night porn hotlines |
| [04:19:04] | achandra: | wagnerrp, basically means you cant keep your kids up past 7:30 pm these days |
| [04:19:43] | wagnerrp: | achandra: alternatively, that means 'the Woz' has turned to alternate sources of income |
| [04:20:19] | achandra: | $ |
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| [04:24:50] | achandra: | anyone have an idea of why the channel #'s in the channel editor come out all wierd after a scan..they dont correspond to the typical channel #'s that i usually have |
| [04:25:18] | wagnerrp: | the channel scanner will use the names it is given when they are available |
| [04:25:38] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, it just does <channel><divider><program id> |
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| [04:28:10] | iamlindoro__: | Also bear in mind that waht you know as "channel 4" is seldom actually at frequency assignment 4 in a digital lineup |
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| [04:28:48] | iamlindoro__: | The cable company uses proprietary methods between the headend and the STB to give "nice" channel numbers-- what you see reflected in the myth scan are the *actual* frequency assignments |
| [04:29:29] | iamlindoro__: | As wagnerrp says, when the information (called PSIP) is available, Myth will use it, but as most cable companies don't bother with much if any PSIP data, it has to fall back to naming/numbering them according to the scheme mentioned above |
| [04:29:56] | wagnerrp: | my cableco provides the PSIP data for all the local broadcast channels |
| [04:30:05] | wagnerrp: | everything else is either unnamed, or some arbitrary name |
| [04:30:08] | iamlindoro__: | yeah, same here-- local broadcast, and the rest are without |
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| [04:31:41] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, i see..so in effect a re-number is necessary to translate them to what most people are used to for that cable provided.. |
| [04:32:02] | wagnerrp: | just open the channel editor, and change the names to whatever you want |
| [04:32:07] | iamlindoro__: | up to you-- you can rename them if you like |
| [04:33:10] | achandra: | i see..otherwise..without renumbering them, how does one associate the #'s through the guide i suppose..just wondering what is best practice in this situation. |
| [04:33:29] | wagnerrp: | open mythtv, play the channel, figure out what it is |
| [04:33:42] | iamlindoro__: | You would give them callsigns and they would have listing info once you get that set up |
| [04:34:14] | iamlindoro__: | QAM is, sadly, a slightly manual process, mostly because cable companies only go as far as they absolutely *have* to go, and not a step further |
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| [04:34:28] | wagnerrp: | you have to go into the channel editor, or mythtv channel editor, and manually set the xmlids |
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| [04:34:59] | wagnerrp: | so that it matches up with SD, and mythfilldatabase properly fills out your listings |
| [04:36:09] | Lexridge: | iamlindoro: Don't know if you know the answer to this or not, but we are now giving an ASI signal to a local cable company, who modulates that signal onto two cable channels. During CBS basketball, on cable, the signal was extremely degraded and pixelized....[more] |
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| [04:36:37] | achandra: | wagnerrp, iamlindoro_ wow good info. — learned alot in the day here |
| [04:36:53] | Lexridge: | My monitored ASI stream looks great. When Time warner modulates this onto their channel, can they alter the bitrate? |
| [04:37:13] | Lexridge: | they claim they are not, and cannot. |
| [04:37:56] | wagnerrp: | cant 'modulate' at a different bitrate without completely re-encoding the mpeg stream |
| [04:38:00] | iamlindoro__: | Lexridge, they lie |
| [04:38:14] | Lexridge: | I assumed as much. |
| [04:38:45] | iamlindoro__: | they can and do run it through their cherry pickers to "optimize" bitrate across the channels on the multiplex |
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| [04:39:08] | iamlindoro__: | more or less a device that allocates bitrate dynamically based on the bitrate needs across all the programs in the bouquey |
| [04:39:15] | iamlindoro__: | er bouquet |
| [04:39:43] | Lexridge: | Their "engineer" told me he is not processing the signal in anyway. But I can see it, so I guess I need to call him on this. |
| [04:39:44] | iamlindoro__: | So if multiple high bitrate channels demand higher bitrate, and the available bitrate runs out, FASDK:HASDLGHKSDLGHA |
| [04:39:53] | iamlindoro__: | Lexridge, trust your eyes |
| [04:40:14] | iamlindoro__: | Lexridge, If you really want to prove it, just capture something on QAM |
| [04:40:20] | iamlindoro__: | and look at the bitrates |
| [04:40:29] | Lexridge: | good idea. Thanks! |
| [04:40:32] | iamlindoro__: | and compare for the same period of time versus the source |
| [04:40:44] | iamlindoro__: | np |
| [04:40:52] | Lexridge: | The source should be 17Mb/s |
| [04:41:21] | Lexridge: | leaving 2Mb/s for our crappy accuwx channel. |
| [04:41:27] | wagnerrp: | aside from possible errors, the streams should be bit exact |
| [04:41:43] | Lexridge: | yes, they should if they are "passing it through" |
| [04:42:05] | iamlindoro__: | They're passing it through |
| [04:42:07] | iamlindoro__: | passing it through to their encoders, that is ;) |
| [04:42:10] | Lexridge: | they still have to convert the ASI to QAM. My guess is that is where it's happening |
| [04:42:40] | iamlindoro__: | Well, QAM is the modulation, you can do that without a transcode, but it surely is getting encoded somewhere if it's that noticeable |
| [04:43:13] | iamlindoro__: | may be immediately obvious if you loko at the audio bitrate |
| [04:43:29] | iamlindoro__: | all my locals broadcast at 384 Kbit, but that becomes 192 on QAM |
| [04:43:40] | iamlindoro__: | well, for many channels, anyway |
| [04:44:09] | iamlindoro__: | Heh, love tonight's 24, establishing the security guard as a family man |
| [04:44:30] | iamlindoro__: | "Hey honey, how are you and our two beautiful children who are young and cute?" |
| [04:44:58] | wagnerrp: | thats actually the line? |
| [04:45:04] | iamlindoro__: | no, but it's the inference :) |
| [04:45:09] | Lexridge: | unfortunetly, I cannot look at time warner from here. We just saw it for the first time today when tw delivered two cable boxes, which we take the HDMI into a HDMI/SDI converter and run directly into the routing system. |
| [04:46:18] | iamlindoro__: | Lexridge, Shouldn't have to make those measurements on your own time anyway :) |
| [04:47:00] | Lexridge: | good point! I do find myself working from home a lot. :( |
| [04:48:56] | Lexridge: | Do Nvidia Quatro cards all support SDI at the chip level, or is a converter daughterboard required to get the SDI? |
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| [04:49:49] | iamlindoro__: | Think the daughterboard has some logic on it |
| [04:51:08] | Lexridge: | I was searching for some hacks to get to the SDI, but if there is logic involved, so much for that. Those Quatro SDI cards start at like $4K. It simply cannot cost near that amount to build them. |
| [04:51:42] | iamlindoro__: | Would be a poor business model if it did :) |
| [04:52:55] | Lexridge: | true, but if Harris can make and 8 channel HD-SDI I/O card for $2K, surely an single channel SDI Nvidia card should cost considerably less. Harris is also a Canadian company btw. |
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| [04:55:28] | Lexridge: | Sorry to be rambling, I'm just thinking out loud about ways to re-create an expensive playback server (Omneon) with cheap, over the counter hardware. |
| [04:56:02] | wagnerrp: | quadro cards are 'cheap, over the counter'? |
| [04:57:10] | Lexridge: | No, sorry, didn't mean to imply that Quatro cards were cheap. But compared to a $400K server (6 playback channels, 4 record channels, one HD), they would be. |
| [04:57:50] | iamlindoro__: | In the context of buying 400K servers, there's no need to cut corners on hardware 1/100ths that price |
| [04:58:13] | iamlindoro__: | ie no need to try to jury rig things that cost 1% of what they're interfacing with |
| [04:58:14] | Lexridge: | well, the thing is, these devices are using Quatro video cards. |
| [04:58:18] | iamlindoro__: | D |
| [04:58:20] | iamlindoro__: | with a D |
| [04:58:23] | iamlindoro__: | Quadro |
| [04:58:42] | Lexridge: | okay, Quadro. Opps. :) |
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| [04:59:11] | Lexridge: | If they can build a server around the Quadro video card, I should be able to as well. Plus, they run Linux. :) |
| [04:59:37] | iamlindoro__: | You *can* build it around one if you like, you'll just need to buy the actual SDI version of the card |
| [04:59:49] | Lexridge: | yes, of course. |
| [04:59:50] | iamlindoro__: | or buy yourself a chip fab :) |
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| [05:00:11] | Lexridge: | lol, I'll pass on the fab |
| [05:00:37] | wagnerrp: | you dont need a full chip fab |
| [05:00:46] | Lexridge: | no? |
| [05:00:56] | wagnerrp: | a couple circuitboard stampers would be sufficient |
| [05:01:05] | wagnerrp: | roll your own graphics card |
| [05:01:17] | wagnerrp: | im sure the SDI hardware is on the card, rather than the chip |
| [05:01:23] | Lexridge: | lol, the upper mgmt would love that idea :D |
| [05:01:56] | Lexridge: | Then I would enter into patent infringement, or spend millions on licenses. |
| [05:02:01] | iamlindoro__: | wagnerrp, The SDI daughterboard for Quadros is a not-insubstantial piece of hardware |
| [05:02:12] | iamlindoro__: | It has actual processing power |
| [05:02:21] | iamlindoro__: | you *would* need a chip fab |
| [05:02:42] | wagnerrp: | or... you gut an existing converter box |
| [05:03:12] | wagnerrp: | get a dvi-to-sdi converter |
| [05:03:14] | Lexridge: | Or purchase a bunch of Black Magic Designs DVI to SDI converters for $500 per unit. That would be way cheaper. |
| [05:03:17] | wagnerrp: | and wire everything up on the board itself |
| [05:03:34] | kormoc: | what in gods name are you attempting to do? |
| [05:03:40] | wagnerrp: | no reason to spend that much if you dont need to it do video scaling |
| [05:03:47] | wagnerrp: | you can pick up a converter for ~$100 |
| [05:04:04] | Lexridge: | I would need to be able to do HD cross converting. |
| [05:04:14] | wagnerrp: | thats what the quadro is for |
| [05:04:19] | Lexridge: | SD/HD converting really. |
| [05:04:31] | wagnerrp: | have it output the resolution you want |
| [05:04:37] | Lexridge: | More of a universal interface and everythign comes out 1080i |
| [05:07:05] | Lexridge: | The Aja FS-1 does this, but I need it to be a computer, rather than a stand alone device so it can record/playback content via serial control. |
| [05:07:31] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [05:08:03] | Lexridge: | That is why I ask a few weeks ago here if Mythbackend can be serial controlled. Parts of mythtv might function well in this use. |
| [05:08:13] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: he needs this so he can buy those expensive SDI capable commercial monitors for his living room |
| [05:08:48] | Lexridge: | no, not at all. This is work related only. Not for home. My system is fine the way it is...now :) |
| [05:09:11] | wagnerrp: | that is a fairly large chunk o' hardware they strap on top of those quadro cards |
| [05:09:18] | wagnerrp: | looks rather awkward |
| [05:09:26] | Lexridge: | yes it certainly is! |
| [05:10:54] | kormoc: | Lexridge, if you want a everything to everything, why not use something like http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/decklinkstudio/&nbs p;? |
| [05:11:40] | wagnerrp: | thats one hell of a breakout cable |
| [05:12:09] | wagnerrp: | is that a miniusb port? |
| [05:12:30] | Lexridge: | that must be new. That wasn't the last time I looked at the BMD webpage. |
| [05:12:40] | Lexridge: | there, that is |
| [05:12:59] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, it's likely a sync line |
| [05:13:15] | wagnerrp: | the thing on the back corner of the card |
| [05:13:37] | kormoc: | Lexridge, it's been out for a fair while, a few months at least |
| [05:13:52] | Lexridge: | I'm not seeing the miniusb port. |
| [05:14:12] | Lexridge: | ok, I found it |
| [05:14:34] | Lexridge: | I think this card actually may work! |
| [05:14:51] | Lexridge: | I wonder how many I can install into a given system? |
| [05:15:12] | wagnerrp: | as many slots as you have |
| [05:16:06] | Lexridge: | nope, won't work. I don't think it can do cross-conversion.' |
| [05:16:07] | wagnerrp: | presuming youve got a machine capable of handling simultaneous playback of half a dozen video streams |
| [05:16:24] | wagnerrp: | its a VIDEO CARD |
| [05:16:32] | wagnerrp: | it outputs what you tell it to |
| [05:16:34] | kormoc: | Lexridge, what are you after? |
| [05:16:50] | wagnerrp: | there is no conversion to be done |
| [05:16:55] | wagnerrp: | it is merely playback |
| [05:17:17] | kormoc: | that card is more then just playback, it does capture and has some hardware options |
| [05:17:22] | Lexridge: | I need to be able to configure two playback channels, one 720p, the other 1080i, and up/cross convert any played back content to either output. |
| [05:17:26] | kormoc: | it'll down/up sample in hardware |
| [05:18:31] | Lexridge: | up and down is not the same thing as cross-conversion. Cross is between HD formats, Up/Down is between SD and HD. |
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| [05:18:48] | kormoc: | Lexridge, I believe it can do it, with perhaps some software help. You should likely talk to the sales reps and see what they say, given you know, they know what it can/can't do... |
| [05:18:52] | wagnerrp: | mere semantics |
| [05:19:13] | Lexridge: | Yea, I'll call Azcar tomorrow and see what they know. |
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| [05:19:58] | Lexridge: | The only bad thing about BlackMagic products is they don't support Linux.....at all. |
| [05:20:17] | kormoc: | it is black magic after all |
| [05:20:22] | Lexridge: | lol |
| [05:20:32] | kormoc: | http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/dec . . . e/techspecs/ |
| [05:20:42] | kormoc: | "Real-time up conversion from 720HD to 1080HD or SD to 720HD or 1080HD during video capture." |
| [05:21:32] | Lexridge: | yup! I see that. |
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| [05:22:13] | Lexridge: | during video capture. It doesn't say anything about playback. |
| [05:24:07] | Lexridge: | For that matter, it does not even have a HD-SDI output. |
| [05:24:28] | kormoc: | "SDI and component analog video connections are switchable between standard definition and high definition. SDI switches between 270 Mb/s standard definition SDI, 1.5 Gb/s HD-SDI and 3 Gb/s HD and 2K SDI." |
| [05:25:54] | Lexridge: | oh, I see. The SDI out is on the card itself, not the breakout cable. |
| [05:25:55] | kormoc: | Well, if you capture at 1080p/i and then downsample to 720p for playback, does it matter if it can't upsample? |
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| [05:27:40] | Lexridge: | Presently, most stuff would be captured at 480i and upconverted to either 720 or 1080 depending on the station (Fox or CBS). This card may very well do what I need, but I was wanting a Linux solution, which I will not get with this card. I can certainly change my direction here. |
| [05:28:24] | Lexridge: | however, the believe the complexity factor would increase dramatically. |
| [05:28:46] | ** iamlindoro__ watches the new Star Trek trailer again... pew pew! ** | |
| [05:29:01] | Lexridge: | next month it comes out, right? |
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| [05:29:07] | iamlindoro__: | May I believe |
| [05:29:12] | kormoc: | wait... the complexity would increase by going with a predone solution rather then building your own boards? |
| [05:29:14] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
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| [05:30:45] | Lexridge: | Well, it's not a pre-done solution. I just want hardware and a driver, as their software is not going to do what I want it to do. This will be a very heavely scripted automation system. |
| [05:31:35] | Lexridge: | when a gui at some point ;) |
| [05:31:36] | kormoc: | well, it's a lot less complex then taking a gpu chip and building a board around it.... |
| [05:33:02] | kormoc: | that and the black magic cards support os x at least, so it's not like you're entirely limited to windows |
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| [05:33:28] | Lexridge: | certainly! and I'm not even considering that option. I just need hardware that can do this, and is supported under Linux. The rest will be scripts that are serially controlled via an automation system. If I have to do it under windows, I'd rather just spend the money on a turn-key system. |
| [05:33:46] | Lexridge: | Ah, very true. OS-X could be a viable option. |
| [05:35:00] | Lexridge: | We have several Mac FCP systems, so I'm not a complete dummy with OS-X. |
| [05:36:11] | iamlindoro__: | s/-/ / |
| [05:38:21] | Lexridge: | only two of ten are x86 Macs however. :( They are mostly G5's an G5 Xserves. |
| [05:39:29] | iamlindoro__: | Ugh, gnarly commflagging on Heroes tonight--- god help the "it works good enough not to check it" crowd |
| [05:40:22] | Lexridge: | I have the same problems with my commflagging. :( |
| [05:40:43] | Lexridge: | However, it is much improved with HD for some reason. |
| [05:40:44] | iamlindoro__: | It's not the commflagging per se, it's very clear attempts by the networks to prevent it |
| [05:41:13] | iamlindoro__: | Interlacing one field of commercial into another field of program doesn't happen by accident :) |
| [05:41:17] | Lexridge: | like not taking out their logo until half way through the third commercial. |
| [05:42:09] | Lexridge: | commercial flagging checks the interlacing? Did not know that! |
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| [05:42:21] | iamlindoro__: | I think you misunderstand |
| [05:42:47] | Lexridge: | quite possible, it's getting very late. |
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| [05:43:08] | iamlindoro__: | Commercial flagging is very confused when the broadcaster not only leaves no blank space, but has the first field of a frame as advertisement and the scond field of the same interlaced frame as program |
| [05:43:22] | iamlindoro__: | And that can't happen accidentally |
| [05:43:53] | Lexridge: | Our competitor constantly does that (NBC). I know exactly what you're talking about now. |
| [05:44:39] | iamlindoro__: | That said, if someone cared enough about commflagging and knew the myth code well enough, we have some information now that could drastically improve commflagging |
| [05:45:22] | iamlindoro__: | Myth now tracks aspect and resolution shifts in the markup. That information would make for a *very* helpful additional indication of commercials |
| [05:45:50] | iamlindoro__: | But mythcommflag is mostly a redheaded stepchild so who knows how long/when it will be before that is looked at |
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| [05:45:56] | Lexridge: | Why can't it look at timecode and do flagging from that? |
| [05:46:21] | iamlindoro__: | Erm, How would timecode help indicate a commercial? |
| [05:47:02] | Lexridge: | the timecode will differ from program material to commercial material. The program timecode would be consistant, it would fall off durning a commercial. |
| [05:47:15] | iamlindoro__: | I think you need to look at your Transport stream specs again ;) |
| [05:47:20] | Lexridge: | during that is |
| [05:47:29] | iamlindoro__: | TS doesn't contain any editing timecode |
| [05:47:31] | Lexridge: | shit, I'm still thinking in analog mode. |
| [05:47:34] | Lexridge: | sorry |
| [05:47:59] | iamlindoro__: | s'ok |
| [05:48:05] | Lexridge: | it should be possible with analog material however. |
| [05:48:29] | Lexridge: | including most SD cable channels |
| [05:49:00] | iamlindoro__: | I'm not aware of any timecode information encoded in analog signals, either |
| [05:49:38] | iamlindoro__: | At the editing level, yes, but not in broadcast |
| [05:49:42] | Lexridge: | I can't tell you off the top of my head which line number it is, but it's there. However, a station can strip it and add their own. |
| [05:49:57] | Lexridge: | we don't |
| [05:50:30] | Lexridge: | There is all kinds of data in the vertical interval. Hell, there's even color bars there. |
| [05:51:55] | iamlindoro__: | I know there's lots of information in VBI, but I can't see any circumstance under which the original edit timecodes would be intact in a broadcast |
| [05:52:09] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, just for kicks i also tried the sa8300hd's firewire connection...appears that myth can change the channels through firewire..but no pic..just curious if i have something slightly wrong...got my cable company to unlock that port..according to them it is... |
| [05:52:21] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, any ideas on how to get that to work? |
| [05:52:28] | iamlindoro__: | achandra, Nothing wrong, that's what most people get via firewire |
| [05:52:39] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, i see but no pic right? |
| [05:52:50] | iamlindoro__: | achandra, the FCC only requires that the cable company provide a "functional" firewire port-- unfortunately they don't define what functional is |
| [05:52:58] | iamlindoro__: | so technically channel changing meets that burden |
| [05:53:13] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, is firewire supposed to provide picture as well? |
| [05:53:24] | Lexridge: | iamlindoro: I have seen it, but not something I've payed much attention to. I will look closer into this and let you know what I figure out. |
| [05:53:51] | iamlindoro__: | achandra, It is capable of doing so, but whether it will for you varies drastically from town to town |
| [05:53:52] | Lexridge: | anyway, I need to get to bed. Nite all. |
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| [05:54:08] | iamlindoro__: | achandra, Most people get little if anything picturewise from firewire |
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| [05:54:16] | iamlindoro__: | a small minority get most or all of what they pay for |
| [05:55:03] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, seems like the firewire option would be the easiest of all to setup but man what a bitch |
| [05:55:46] | iamlindoro__: | Firewire is for most people the least reliable |
| [05:56:04] | iamlindoro__: | even when it *does* give you picture, it still requires that you rig it up to re-prime semi-regularly |
| [05:56:38] | achandra: | i see...trying to find a way around the mess of encrypted vs. unecrypted with hd... |
| [05:56:57] | iamlindoro__: | Heh, good luck, thousands of very smart, very well informed people have gone before you |
| [05:57:19] | iamlindoro__: | IF you don't get anything from firewire, your *only* option is waiting for the next release of Myth and buying a Hauppauge HD-PVR |
| [05:58:14] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, will the hd-pvr somehow deal with encrypted channels? |
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| [05:58:44] | iamlindoro__: | The Hd-PVR captures the component video outputs of your Set Top box, delivering both HD and any channel you subscribe to |
| [05:58:59] | iamlindoro__: | The "analog hole" you may have heard of. |
| [05:59:12] | achandra: | yep..wow |
| [05:59:21] | achandra: | does mythdora10 support the card? |
| [05:59:44] | achandra: | ahh..yes..you did say next version..nv |
| [05:59:46] | iamlindoro__: | It's a USB box, not a card, and no, like I said, it won't be officially supported in Myth until the next release |
| [05:59:48] | iamlindoro__: | yeah |
| [06:00:12] | achandra: | great.. |
| [06:00:42] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, thanks for all your assistance today. |
| [06:00:45] | iamlindoro__: | no problem |
| [06:01:21] | achandra: | iamlindoro_ hoenstly i just tried to get picture all week long..and gave into asking for help today.. learned a ton. |
| [06:01:59] | iamlindoro__: | Heh, no problem, there is a pretty good core of people in the channel who are very well informed... and a few who are just noise... key is to figure out which to listen to ;) |
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| [06:18:41] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, appears mythdora10.2 has the driver for it..interesting read on wiki |
| [06:19:44] | iamlindoro__: | achandra, Driver, but no support in myth, without which it is useless |
| [06:19:52] | iamlindoro__: | And I know it's an interesting read, I wrote it ;) |
| [06:20:31] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, holy sweetness! |
| [06:21:28] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, when will the stable release of the supported version will come out? |
| [06:21:42] | achandra: | thats horrible grammar...im tired..sorry |
| [06:22:14] | iamlindoro__: | The short answer is "when it's done," the long answer is that there is no set date for the next release, but it will be released when the core devs go, "Hmm, things are stable, let's feature freeze and do a release." |
| [06:22:37] | iamlindoro__: | under six months, but my *personal* guess is 3–4 months |
| [06:23:02] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, if i do get one...how can i contribute? — i believe in giving back to community (i see the final comments in wikig) |
| [06:23:56] | iamlindoro__: | achandra, with no disrespect intended, if you are not in it to actually write the code to improve it, you should wait until the release to get into the HD-PVR |
| [06:25:06] | iamlindoro__: | The development version of myth isn't like the dev branch of a lot of projects where it's perfectly useable-- Myth's dev branch is usable by the people who are working actively on it, but people used to a fully functioning system would be frustrated somewhat |
| [06:25:13] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, thats fair enough....cant say im a great coder by any stretch..but always wanted to get involved with a project instead of leaching..and this certainly seems like a good one. |
| [06:26:01] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, yep got it.... |
| [06:26:34] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, in any case..im curious..what skill set are you looking for..so i can bone up? |
| [06:27:17] | iamlindoro__: | achandra, There's no barrier for entry, anyone who cares to get involved can, there's no entrance exam or anything :) Myth is written predominantly in C++, but anyone can crack open the code and start fiddling |
| [06:27:49] | iamlindoro__: | achandra, In the interest of clarity, although I am a contributor, I am not a core myth dev by any stretch-- I feel that I have added some fun stuff to myth, but I'm hardly in the central group |
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| [06:28:23] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, nice...you've certainly peaked my interest...will develop some 'chops' first then be back. |
| [06:28:43] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, truth be told first real project i've always been interested in. |
| [06:29:06] | iamlindoro__: | achandra, The first patch is almost guaranteed to be ugly, my own included... but it gets better/easier :) |
| [06:29:06] | achandra: | iamlindoro_, thanks again for your time today..will be back shortly. |
| [06:29:13] | iamlindoro__: | no prob, seeya |
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| [06:29:46] | wagnerrp: | so apparently now heroes is taking its cues from DBZ |
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| [06:30:45] | iamlindoro__: | Edited the commercials out of this weeks' but haven't seen it yet |
| [06:31:08] | wagnerrp: | im fairly certain i saw a kamehameha |
| [06:31:12] | wagnerrp: | they did all but say the words |
| [06:32:02] | wagnerrp: | of course what good are mutants without some sort of energy beam weapon |
| [06:32:08] | iamlindoro__: | heh |
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| [06:36:01] | kormoc: | Well, why not? If I was someone writing a tv show, I'd be totally, 'What can I get away with this week... will they notice?' |
| [06:36:44] | wagnerrp: | they should have thrown some 'power-up' phrase in there for fun |
| [06:37:57] | wagnerrp: | or at least a wilhelm when the beam hit the bad guy |
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| [06:44:04] | iamlindoro__: | "Oyasuminasi?" |
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| [06:47:46] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
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| [06:48:58] | wagnerrp: | some quick googling results in 'good night', but i fail to see how that would be a question |
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| [08:00:30] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro_, mythcommflag already uses both physical aspect changes as well as letterbox/pillarbox changes in its calculations. it's using the same information in the DB and more since it does its own letterbox/pillarbox translation. I added the aspect ratio stuff years ago after getting a sample clip from ?Australia? with a widescreen show with 4:3 commercials in it. the classic flagger looks at the aspect of every fram |
| [08:00:30] | Captain_Murdoch: | e checking for changes and keeps track of those changes. "grep -i aspect ClassicCommDetector.cpp". now it doesn't track or even go out of its way to handle resolution changes though, it assumes the resolution never changes in the video. |
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| [08:21:13] | justinh: | I thought there was an aspect ratio change detection method now |
| [08:21:17] | justinh: | at least in trunk |
| [08:23:52] | justinh: | bah. foot in mouth syndrome again. I'll STFU |
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| [08:43:38] | Chilired: | not trying to open a ati vs nvidia debate but.. I need a passively cooled pci-e card to replace my ati 1300pro, looking at the 9400gt or the ati hd 4550, the 4550 looks better on paper but my experience with ATI cards under linux hasn't been great recently, what do people recommend? |
| [08:44:50] | justinh: | very much depends on your expectations. if hardware accelerated video playback is what you want, then only nvidia is where it's at right now |
| [08:45:27] | justinh: | as far as mythtv is concerned, it really doesn't matter what card you have if you're not using HW acceleration for video, so long as the driver supports Xv |
| [08:45:28] | Chilired: | ok |
| [08:45:37] | Chilired: | I need hw acceleration |
| [08:45:54] | justinh: | so forget all about ATI for now |
| [08:46:09] | Chilired: | np they are cheap enough |
| [08:46:22] | justinh: | although there's still no substitute for sheer CPU grunt |
| [08:46:49] | justinh: | and bear in mind that there's no _official_ support for VDPAU acceleration in mythtv 0.21 |
| [08:47:08] | justinh: | also bear in mind it's very much still a beta feature in nvidia's drivers |
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| [09:24:03] | gbee: | and it's buggy |
| [09:24:10] | gbee: | very buggy |
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| [09:27:48] | gbee: | hmm, if the commercial flagger uses aspect ratio already, I wonder why it was so useless on UK recordings |
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| [09:29:46] | ruskie: | http://freshmeat.net/projects/toxtox <-- hmmm browser for TV... |
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| [09:40:35] | justinh: | gbee: I thought you'd played with it & made it all nice |
| [09:42:44] | gbee: | not the flagger, added some logging of aspect ratio changes to the DB which I suggested could be used for fairly accurate flagging – but Captain_Murdoch is saying that the flagger already used aspect ratio |
| [09:43:21] | justinh: | ahh I see now |
| [09:44:03] | gbee: | the aspect ratio stuff in the recordedmarkup table could just have their marktypes inverted to give instant flagging – assuming that there was a mix of 4:3 content with 16:9 adverts (or vice versa) |
| [09:44:30] | justinh: | yeh it'd work really well for a lot of things over here |
| [09:44:38] | gbee: | increasingly that's no longer true, only the odd US series or old repeat is shown in 4:3 |
| [09:45:03] | justinh: | Simpsons on C4, friends, frasier, etc etc etc |
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| [15:02:10] | shadn_: | Is Ttvdb.py a replacement for Schedule Direct? If not what are the differences? |
| [15:03:01] | justinh: | no, tvdb.pl is just a script for downloading metadata for videos etc |
| [15:03:09] | justinh: | tvdb.py even |
| [15:04:52] | gbee: | shadn_: one provides guide data, a list of shows and times for all your TV channels – the other provides metadata for indvidual tv shows (no time information) |
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| [15:06:02] | gbee: | tvdb.py is intended to provide information and artwork for DVDs etc that you have backed up to your mythtv box for viewing through MythVideo – it can't be used to schedule recordings |
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| [15:08:16] | shadn_: | ahh.. Thank You |
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| [15:18:51] | iamlindoro_: | Wow, $154 for an HD-PVR isn't bad at all |
| [15:19:34] | iamlindoro_: | And on an unrelated note, I love that h.264 playback is noticeably improved for JYA in trunk sin e last month, as nobody has touched it in ages |
| [15:20:44] | iamlindoro_: | And this morsel: "For my usage (LiveTV, mythvideo, recordings) I could very well switch to trunk now I believe. Need to work on the theme though, I really dislike the one that ships with trunk." |
| [15:20:57] | justinh: | noted he's nominated himself as a theme dev now too. multi-talented or.. what |
| [15:21:23] | iamlindoro_: | ooh, ooh, I pick "or what" |
| [15:21:29] | gbee: | glad he likes Terra :p |
| [15:21:38] | iamlindoro_: | he's a dick, don't mind him |
| [15:21:56] | justinh: | I'm a dick too, but at least I've done stuff in the past :P |
| [15:21:59] | iamlindoro_: | He manages to be universally wrong on just about every topic, so if anything that should tell you how good Terra is looking |
| [15:22:28] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Freedom to be a dick is purchased in the currency of productivity ;) |
| [15:23:02] | justinh: | I must be out of credit by now |
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| [15:24:15] | iamlindoro_: | Guess you'd better get that button resize patch done then |
| [15:24:23] | iamlindoro_: | as now I need it :) |
| [15:24:29] | justinh: | I needed it more! |
| [15:24:33] | iamlindoro_: | hehe |
| [15:24:40] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: heh, I don't much like Terra anymore – if I ever did, but I'm a bit more polite about it |
| [15:25:21] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: I think it's head and shoulders above what's there, and while I empathize completely with losing momentum, you should know that it really *does* look great |
| [15:25:25] | iamlindoro_: | and I'm not just paying lipservice |
| [15:25:35] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: thing is, all the prompting I'd need from somebody more experienced, that somebody might aswell do it |
| [15:25:53] | gbee: | biggest problem I've got with Terra right now is that the colours look very different between my different monitors, loses all the warmth :/ |
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| [15:26:17] | iamlindoro_: | Looks pretty nice on the both of mine |
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| [15:26:56] | justinh: | looks fab on everything I've seen it on too |
| [15:27:26] | iamlindoro_: | IT's hard to take a fresh look at something you've put so much work in to |
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| [15:27:35] | iamlindoro_: | so you have to trust the opinions of people you trust :) |
| [15:27:40] | iamlindoro_: | (which may or may not be us) |
| [15:27:43] | wagnerrp: | only problem ive seen with it, is that settings options are not highlighted when selected |
| [15:27:44] | justinh: | I think that if anybody has a beef with it it won't be about how it looks – it'd be more to do with its lack of information overload – which for me would be its selling point |
| [15:28:10] | gbee: | secondary to that it started out as a demo theme, something deliberately different (hence the colour scheme) and I didn't really come to love the concept before launching myself into working on it |
| [15:28:30] | wagnerrp: | you just get the little dotted line around them, which is very hard to see on a tv 10' away |
| [15:28:38] | gbee: | that said I'll do my best to complete it and then devote my time working on something that really excites me |
| [15:28:55] | justinh: | gbee: if it's any consolation I don't think I've ever loved my own work that much.. hence all the regurgitating different ones ;) |
| [15:29:12] | gbee: | wagnerrp: that is the QT stuff which I just can't see to figure out – if someone wants to work on a qtlook.txt for Terra I'd be grateful |
| [15:29:41] | wagnerrp: | awesome! mississippi bans automated tax cameras |
| [15:29:50] | justinh: | there can't be much qt stuff left now surely? |
| [15:30:20] | gbee: | justinh: mostly the settings wizard stuff |
| [15:30:27] | justinh: | ah. righty |
| [15:30:40] | gbee: | which we're unlikely to port before 0.23 now |
| [15:30:50] | justinh: | fair dues :) |
| [15:31:13] | iamlindoro_: | I dread having to theme each and every settings screen |
| [15:31:49] | gbee: | but Terra is far from being finished, can't even call it half done – definately would not have it released it in this state had I not decided to put it in trunk from the start |
| [15:31:53] | justinh: | inheritance ftw |
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| [15:32:14] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Inheritance is great, but it's all the fidgety placement stuff |
| [15:32:34] | justinh: | so come up with a theme editor already :) |
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| [15:32:55] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Now now, I can't be accused of not doing my part :) |
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| [15:33:03] | justinh: | yeah very true |
| [15:33:04] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: the more I think about it, the more I'm coming to terms with having the settings stuff layed out automatically like it is now with some measure of inheritence to govern the overall style |
| [15:33:06] | iamlindoro_: | you can accuse me of ugly code, but not of not writing it :) |
| [15:33:42] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Yeah, although I see the value if offering the *option* to theme/place it all too |
| [15:33:44] | justinh: | speaking of which, I might be able to set foot in menu re-jig land again soon |
| [15:34:12] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: ie I'd very much like to fly in a half-screen panel from the bottom for most settings screens, not unlike a popup |
| [15:34:38] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: stuff flying in is what my 'dream theme' would revolve around |
| [15:34:40] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: aye, my first idea was to individually theme the lot but accept that most themers would leave it to fallback to what appears in the default themes (which would be reasonable) |
| [15:35:13] | iamlindoro_: | This is why theme teams *do* make sense in theory, IMO |
| [15:35:15] | gbee: | that's still an option, but someone has to do the intial work :/ |
| [15:35:30] | iamlindoro_: | Just gotta find a group of people who can actual work together :) |
| [15:35:32] | justinh: | gbee: individual xmls for every setup screen? zoiks |
| [15:35:33] | iamlindoro_: | actually |
| [15:36:16] | justinh: | FWIW I don't see the point of being able to customise setup stuff that far. it's 'only' setup |
| [15:36:18] | gbee: | justinh: individual windows, maybe inheriting the base window and Prev/Next/Cancel buttons etc from that |
| [15:36:47] | justinh: | yeah that might work, then if the theme designer wants to waste his whole life rather than just half of it... ;-) |
| [15:37:05] | justinh: | I say 'his'... there might be a 'her' one day |
| [15:37:08] | gbee: | justinh: I see some value in letting people get creative with setup, maybe coming up with better and more intuitive labels/layouts/behaviour |
| [15:37:46] | justinh: | the eternal optimist gbee, that's you. I see only bad people with bad outcomes |
| [15:37:47] | iamlindoro_: | The idea of changing labels is exciting if done right, terrifying if done wrong |
| [15:38:09] | iamlindoro_: | ie having to keep straight the names of settings from theme to theme when someone clueless comes in |
| [15:38:25] | justinh: | mention no names here |
| [15:38:51] | iamlindoro_: | It was purely theoretical :) |
| [15:38:59] | justinh: | myers |
| [15:39:34] | iamlindoro_: | Hmm, they're showing off Cell TV prototypes again |
| [15:39:34] | justinh: | ooo. hometime! |
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| [15:49:36] | ** iamlindoro_ flies mkrufky into the sun ** | |
| [15:52:05] | mkrufky: | sit down, cylon |
| [15:52:22] | iamlindoro_: | I'm half human |
| [15:52:35] | mkrufky: | so say we all |
| [15:54:08] | iamlindoro_: | Besides, my favorite character was a cylon |
| [15:54:45] | mkrufky: | hmm, who was that? feel free to hint to avoid spoilers |
| [15:56:20] | iamlindoro_: | The highest ranking military one |
| [15:59:09] | mkrufky: | ok i thought that would be the one |
| [16:00:24] | iamlindoro_: | Reminds me of family, heh |
| [16:00:31] | iamlindoro_: | <- From a military family |
| [16:00:39] | mkrufky: | ah |
| [16:01:00] | mkrufky: | caprica trailer looks kinda NOT so cool |
| [16:01:11] | iamlindoro_: | The chick looks kinda hot though |
| [16:01:18] | iamlindoro_: | I mean, she'll be a toaster, but a hot toaster |
| [16:01:20] | mkrufky: | girl from kyleXY ? |
| [16:01:25] | iamlindoro_: | Is that who it is? |
| [16:01:30] | mkrufky: | thats not a chick — thats a child |
| [16:01:34] | mkrufky: | yeah |
| [16:01:35] | iamlindoro_: | nooo |
| [16:02:58] | GreyFoxx: | There is a trailer out for that ? |
| [16:03:24] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: they played it during the BSG finale |
| [16:03:35] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [16:03:39] | ** GreyFoxx goes a googling ** | |
| [16:03:58] | iamlindoro_: | mkrufky: Dude, she's 22 |
| [16:04:08] | iamlindoro_: | Thanks for making me feel like a molester for a second, douche! |
| [16:04:12] | mkrufky: | :-) |
| [16:04:32] | mkrufky: | i feel like that and i know i have a thing for a 22 yr old |
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| [16:04:37] | mkrufky: | brb |
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| [16:13:16] | gbee: | #6384 – Err, isn't that an Xorg bug? |
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| [16:21:09] | mkrufky: | bk |
| [16:21:51] | iamlindoro_: | mkrufky: The chick playing Zoe wasn't on Kyle XY |
| [16:22:27] | GreyFoxx: | There is a few scenes with another girl who is on KyleXY, but Zoe wasn't |
| [16:23:01] | iamlindoro_: | I think the important thing is that I shouldn't go to jail |
| [16:23:04] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [16:23:09] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [16:24:29] | mkrufky: | sorry, brb again for lunch |
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| [16:43:16] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qniwI2hNhDs Extreme Sheep herding.... that is so awesome :) |
| [16:45:48] | Shadow__X: | GreyFoxx, nice |
| [16:46:45] | Shadow__X: | the fireworks are a nice touch |
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| [16:51:04] | Chilired: | anyone used a OrigenAE H5 microATX case before? |
| [16:54:37] | gbee: | heh, viral marketing |
| [16:55:38] | gbee: | "Dont you have crasheś in mythvideo when deleting files?" < Is that guy shit-stirring or what? |
| [16:55:42] | bulle: | GreyFoxx: scary, that thing realy makes me wanting to buy sheep and dogs |
| [16:56:12] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: I assume he's the guy who opened the ticket to that effect a few days ago, was hoping that bit on the list was language barrier |
| [16:56:16] | GreyFoxx: | Since when can you delete files in mythvideo ? :) |
| [16:56:30] | GreyFoxx: | Or is he referring to some resetting of metadata ? |
| [16:56:37] | bulle: | delete recording ? |
| [16:56:41] | bulle: | was my guess |
| [16:56:53] | bulle: | oh, damn, mythvideo |
| [16:56:56] | GreyFoxx: | Maybe he means Watch Recordings, but he keeps saying mythvideo |
| [16:56:56] | bulle: | no recordings there, sorry |
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| [16:57:28] | iamlindoro_: | You *can* dleete videos in mythvideo |
| [16:57:38] | iamlindoro_: | s/dleete/delete/ |
| [16:58:10] | iamlindoro_: | VideoDialog::RemoveVideo() |
| [16:58:58] | BLACKthroat: | I'm sure that someone has seen this before: |
| [16:59:00] | BLACKthroat: | mythfilldatabase crashed with SIGSEGV in MythContext::ClearSettingsCache() |
| [16:59:07] | iamlindoro_: | Whether it's working/causing segfaults... well, I don't use it, sorta defeats the purpose of the way I use MythVideo |
| [16:59:19] | BLACKthroat: | That is probably not enough information to help me, correct? |
| [16:59:48] | iamlindoro_: | BLACKthroat: Pretty much... a debug build and a backtrace might be helpful, though |
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| [17:01:03] | BLACKthroat: | I clicked report a bug, detailed report... |
| [17:01:15] | BLACKthroat: | logged in |
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| [17:01:55] | iamlindoro_: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/newticket |
| [17:01:56] | BLACKthroat: | Then it asks if it is a previous bug that has been reporte |
| [17:02:09] | iamlindoro_: | You will still need a backtrace w/ a debug build, though |
| [17:02:14] | iamlindoro_: | don't open a ticket unless you've got that |
| [17:02:32] | BLACKthroat: | How do I access that |
| [17:03:01] | iamlindoro_: | You build the source (preferably current trunk) with --compile-type=debug, and then follow the backtrace instructions in the manual |
| [17:03:21] | iamlindoro_: | or, alternately, if you're using packages, if your packager provides debug packages, you can go that and get a backtrace |
| [17:04:38] | BLACKthroat: | Hmm, a little confused. |
| [17:04:55] | BLACKthroat: | Could the problem very well be that my schedulesdirect subscription has expired? |
| [17:05:18] | wagnerrp: | is it possible your SD subscription has expired? |
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| [17:05:31] | iamlindoro_: | even if the segfault were triggered by an expired subscription, the segfault itself is still a bug, so should be backtraced and filed in a ticket |
| [17:05:39] | iamlindoro_: | The key being *not* to file a ticket without the backtrace |
| [17:06:03] | bulle: | track my back baby! |
| [17:06:11] | bulle: | race my back, i mean |
| [17:06:15] | bulle: | hmm, trace |
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| [17:07:59] | BLACKthroat: | iamlindoro_ |
| [17:08:02] | BLACKthroat: | if you're using packages, if your packager provides debug packages, you can go that and get a backtrace |
| [17:08:28] | BLACKthroat: | I am using packages and don't quite understand how to get a backtrace |
| [17:08:49] | wagnerrp: | a backtrace requires special compile flags |
| [17:08:56] | wagnerrp: | chances are the package was not built with them |
| [17:09:05] | iamlindoro_: | You need a copy of myth with debugging symbols compiled it. Whether your packager provides that or you compile it yourself, it's what's needed to get diagnostic info about the crash |
| [17:09:11] | iamlindoro_: | s/it/in/ |
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| [17:10:20] | BLACKthroat: | The easiest way to report a bug is with the ''Apport'' application. When an application crashes, apport starts automatically and opens an appropriate bug for you to complete in Launchpad. |
| [17:10:34] | BLACKthroat: | I did that with a detailed report |
| [17:10:45] | iamlindoro_: | BLACKthroat: Whatever you're cutting and pasting, it's not myth's bug system and not relevant to myth itself |
| [17:11:00] | BLACKthroat: | Ok |
| [17:11:17] | kormoc: | Cause we look at launchpad? |
| [17:11:20] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [17:11:28] | iamlindoro_: | What I linked above is Myth's bug system. You should not open a ticket without a backtrace. You cannot get a backtrace without a debug build. |
| [17:11:44] | gbee: | fine for reporting to ubuntu's launchpad, if the Ubuntu triage guys think that's it's a real myth bug they'll forward it on to us |
| [17:12:01] | iamlindoro_: | It is possible your packager provides debug builds. Seek help from them on whether/how to use them. If it's Ubuntu, they definitely do. |
| [17:12:02] | BLACKthroat: | Ok, my bad. I'll do some more reading before i hassle you with questions |
| [17:12:32] | iamlindoro_: | I know you need to enable their debug repository, but couldn't tell you how to do so beyond that-- #ubuntu-mythtv is suerly better equipped to handle that part of it |
| [17:12:41] | iamlindoro_: | s/suerly/surely/ |
| [17:13:05] | kormoc: | gbee, You sure they do that? I've seen them 'patch' bugs out of mythweb and never bother to submit it upstream.... |
| [17:14:07] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: Guess that's your fault for not using Ubuntu? ;) |
| [17:15:45] | kormoc: | Heh... yeah... that's the ticket... really... |
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| [17:16:04] | iamlindoro_: | or lack of ticket |
| [17:16:24] | kormoc: | indeed |
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| [17:25:40] | iamlindoro_: | What's up with people naming Wiki pages after themselves? |
| [17:25:59] | iamlindoro_: | And I don't mean user/talk pages :) |
| [17:26:01] | wagnerrp: | beyond the auto-generated user page? |
| [17:26:05] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/AllensDigitalAudioHowto |
| [17:26:32] | iamlindoro_: | Is there anything that bore a) writing a new page beyond fixing/expanding the existing one and b) naming it after oneself? |
| [17:26:56] | wagnerrp: | it means hes a tool |
| [17:26:57] | iamlindoro_: | Not to mention the "doesn't get what a wiki is" usage of first person narrative |
| [17:27:01] | iamlindoro_: | he is indeed |
| [17:27:25] | wagnerrp: | seems he has TWO accounts on the wiki |
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| [17:45:07] | wagnerrp: | heres one... 'http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Alex_Brekken' |
| [17:45:14] | wagnerrp: | its a user page... only its not a user page |
| [17:45:26] | wagnerrp: | its also blank and pointless |
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| [17:46:39] | gbee: | kormoc: I've seen several they've pushed upstream and assumed that they were doing the same for any verified bugs |
| [17:47:28] | wagnerrp: | heres one that just shouldnt exist.... 'http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Changing_channels_ . . . on_PVR_card' |
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| [17:53:40] | kormoc: | haha, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Computers |
| [17:53:58] | wagnerrp: | mythtv, the short list... |
| [17:54:01] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, {{Ready for deletion}} |
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| [17:54:43] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: delete the page and add that to the category? |
| [17:54:51] | wagnerrp: | the text rather |
| [17:55:06] | iamlindoro_: | wiki needs more mods |
| [17:55:17] | iamlindoro_: | by which I mean moderators, not modules |
| [17:55:46] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, just add it to the page, Only a small handful of folks can delete pages, that indicates it's a good one to go poof |
| [17:57:00] | AndyCap: | dang, I'm running myth on the wrong computer obviously |
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| [18:01:16] | wagnerrp: | are non-'User:' user pages actually improper? |
| [18:01:30] | wagnerrp: | because this guy has a table full of them... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Grokus |
| [18:01:33] | iamlindoro_: | IMO |
| [18:02:09] | iamlindoro_: | you could cut and paste the contents into that users user page and then mark the originals ready for deletion |
| [18:02:14] | gbee: | proper fix would be to move them to the User: page if possible though |
| [18:02:21] | gbee: | err, what iam said |
| [18:02:37] | kormoc: | Yeah, move them to the User: |
| [18:02:53] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that most of these pages have only been edited by some cleanup script with only an IP given |
| [18:03:03] | kormoc: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:MythPeople has a metric ton |
| [18:03:04] | wagnerrp: | there is no user account to match it to |
| [18:03:25] | kormoc: | if there's no content, mark for deletion |
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| [18:03:46] | ** iamlindoro_ watches the recent changes asplode ** | |
| [18:04:09] | wagnerrp: | there is content, it just seems to be made before some wipe of the wiki made in 2005 |
| [18:04:57] | gbee: | wiki was moved from an unofficial thing to the new official one |
| [18:06:09] | wagnerrp: | so any i come across, go ahead and wipe and mark for deletion? |
| [18:06:40] | wagnerrp: | just wanting confirmation before wholesale deletion |
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| [18:09:52] | kormoc: | I'm a huge fan of deleting things.... |
| [18:11:14] | kormoc: | but I'm also in no way shape or form associated with the wiki |
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| [18:14:44] | justinh: | it'd be nice if somebody were to delete my user page |
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| [18:14:58] | justinh: | it's just blank now anyway |
| [18:15:22] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Bought that $100 HD-DVD/Blu-ray combo drive last night |
| [18:15:32] | justinh: | I need a user page like I need a blog like a fish needs a bicycle |
| [18:15:36] | iamlindoro_: | My HD-DVD drive is going out and I wanted to replace it, so I figured I'd consolidate |
| [18:16:04] | JEDIDIAH__: | your HDDVD drive is already flaking out? wow... |
| [18:16:26] | JEDIDIAH__: | it didn't even fully survive the end of the format. |
| [18:16:53] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro__: Cool. I am likely gonna ipck it up in the next month or so |
| [18:17:04] | GreyFoxx: | holding on to my pennies right now for the cruise in a couple weeks |
| [18:17:12] | GreyFoxx: | but after that I wanna pick up some hdpvrs and other stuff |
| [18:17:24] | iamlindoro_: | JEDIDIAH__: Had it ripping nonstop for months and months, and that happened twice when I lost my video array once |
| [18:17:37] | iamlindoro_: | It's performed more than adequately |
| [18:18:18] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: You say HD-PVR $154 today, right? |
| [18:18:20] | iamlindoro_: | er sa |
| [18:18:21] | iamlindoro_: | saw |
| [18:18:25] | iamlindoro_: | stupid fingers |
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| [18:19:23] | JEDIDIAH__: | I torture drives the same way... never killed one though. |
| [18:19:49] | iamlindoro_: | Well worth the $25 I paid for it, IMO |
| [18:20:07] | justinh: | when I was a DJ I think I went through 3 or 4 CD burners |
| [18:20:14] | justinh: | all died through over-use |
| [18:20:41] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...something new to think about. |
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| [18:27:27] | gbee: | cd/dvd drives are by far the component which has failed me most frequently |
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| [18:28:26] | gbee: | that's one of the reasons I'm reluctant to spend £100+ on a blu-ray drive, I'll wait until they reach the £40 mark |
| [18:29:04] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: I'm only a *little* anxious because I wanted a model that has a hacked firmware available... actually considered buying two |
| [18:29:37] | iamlindoro_: | Wanted to make sure I got such a model before they disappeared or a more-difficult-to-flash version superceded it |
| [18:30:18] | gbee: | hmm, good point |
| [18:31:02] | iamlindoro_: | That said, it only makes it easier, by no means impossible without that model |
| [18:31:28] | iamlindoro_: | On the hacked models you can get the VID from the disk yourself-- on unhacked models you download the latest libaacs to get them |
| [18:31:38] | iamlindoro_: | so worst case scenario you wait a bit for libaacs to get updated |
| [18:35:30] | ** kormoc waits till the mac mini has them ** | |
| [18:36:12] | gbee: | vdpau still broken :/ |
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| [18:52:33] | bulle: | iamlindoro_: what make an dmodel is that ? |
| [18:52:58] | iamlindoro_: | GGC H20L |
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| [18:55:01] | bulle: | iamlindoro_: thanks |
| [18:55:08] | iamlindoro_: | np |
| [18:55:17] | ** bulle is considering buying a blu-ray drive for his htpc ** | |
| [18:56:17] | iamlindoro_: | just bear in mind that most curent BDs will be unrippable in linux for some time |
| [18:57:50] | stoth: | iamlindoro_: why? No drivers yet? |
| [18:58:08] | ** gbee blinks ** | |
| [18:58:09] | iamlindoro_: | stoth: Because BD+ isn't fully defeated yet in Linux |
| [18:58:40] | bulle: | i actualy bought anydvd-hd |
| [18:58:44] | iamlindoro_: | stoth: AACS (the first layer of copy protection) is "mostly-beatable" by BD+ (the nastier part of BD copy protection) is still a work in progress |
| [18:58:47] | bulle: | but i dont have a windows install =D |
| [18:58:57] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, AnyDVD does a fantastic job, it's a great tool |
| [18:58:58] | gbee: | Bluray supports multiple forms of encryption and defense against ripping/unauthorised playback |
| [18:59:10] | iamlindoro_: | s/by/but/ |
| [18:59:37] | gbee: | HD-DVD only had one – ask most people and that's the real reason Bluray won, the studios etc wanted that level of protection |
| [18:59:51] | iamlindoro_: | I actually futzed with linux decryption/rip for a few hours last night-- it has come a long, long way since the last time I played with it |
| [19:00:11] | bulle: | gbee: still bd+ doesnt seem to be that impossible to break, slysoft releases upgrades to anydvd very quickly |
| [19:00:25] | iamlindoro_: | DumpHD actually does a pretty good job w/ AACS now... haven't played with its BD+ capabilities as that is still too manual a process for my tastes |
| [19:00:44] | iamlindoro_: | bulle: Slysoft is substantially ahead in terms of manpower and time of the open eforts |
| [19:01:10] | bulle: | iamlindoro_: oh yes sure, but still, i remember some sony chap claiming bd+ would be unbreakable for atleast 10 years or something =D |
| [19:01:15] | bulle: | took what, 6–8 months ? |
| [19:01:24] | iamlindoro_: | Slysoft employs multiple programmers to work on it full time, the open bdplus implementation is mostly two guys working when they have a chance, and they started a year later |
| [19:01:33] | gbee: | bulle: aye, yet again they seem unable to come up with any reliable method of protecting optical media |
| [19:01:35] | iamlindoro_: | plus, they are intentionally keeping their development slow |
| [19:01:50] | bulle: | iamlindoro_: why keep it slow ? |
| [19:01:51] | iamlindoro_: | as they prefer to let the slysoft folks run "legal interference" by being ahead |
| [19:01:56] | bulle: | ah |
| [19:02:17] | iamlindoro_: | I presume they prefer to keep their houses |
| [19:02:40] | bulle: | so far i havent realy felt the NEED for ripping the bd movies i got, as only have a few, so i can keep them close to my ps3 |
| [19:03:13] | bulle: | but bd movie prices are going down fast here in sweden |
| [19:03:26] | bulle: | so, my collection increases |
| [19:04:56] | gbee: | I don't feel the need to rip either, but that's currently the only way we'd be able to play them back with our media centres – personally I'd accept a solution where the player passes the encrippled stream directly through to the GPU which did the decryption/decoding and then passed it straight to the display – with appropriate APIs to allow OSDs and control of playback |
| [19:05:27] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: DumpHD *does* allow for passing the decrypted stream to stdout, FWIW |
| [19:05:46] | iamlindoro_: | so the play-from-disk solution is "there", just faaaaaaaaar from friendly |
| [19:05:51] | bulle: | gbee: yeah, and isnt that more or less how its done in win vista ? or, perhaps decoding is still done by cpu, but AES encrypted when it goes over the pci-e buss |
| [19:06:05] | gbee: | i.e. an end to end chain all in hardware and which might ultimately be considered secure by BDA and therefore perfectly 'legal' |
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| [19:07:25] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, there's an "R Rated" version of an adult movie coming out on BD today-- what in the world would the point of that be? |
| [19:07:56] | wagnerrp: | pizza delivery guy shows up... credits roll |
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| [19:08:13] | gbee: | bulle: vista might do something similar, though it almost certainly requires the cooperation of the kernel and software at some point – something that won't be possible with linux since they won't trust it, so it would have to have the proprietary video drivers/drive hardware doing some/all of the work |
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| [19:08:47] | iamlindoro_: | HAHAHA, check out this quote, the "film" is "LCD/Plasma Utimate HD Experience." |
| [19:08:52] | iamlindoro_: | "LCD/Plasma Ultimate Experience: Africa was filmed and produced using progressive frames for the highest resolution and digital quality in a widescreen format." |
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| [19:08:58] | bulle: | gbee: ye, its just sad, that in the end, for the end user, its just way easier to go to the pirate bay and click around a bit, instead of using their legaly bought copies =( |
| [19:09:03] | iamlindoro_: | Oh, it's filmed using those progressive frames! |
| [19:09:12] | bulle: | progressive frames means higher resolution! |
| [19:09:14] | iamlindoro_: | unlike all that interlaced film |
| [19:09:53] | bulle: | he, i felt cheated when i looked at the last bd disc i bought, a few days ago, it has NO hd sound on it, "just" dolbi digital + |
| [19:09:57] | wagnerrp: | do digital sensors even have an interlaced mode? or does the controller just drop half the data? |
| [19:11:28] | bulle: | wagnerrp: i dont think they just drop half the data, i think they use all the "pixels" all the time |
| [19:11:56] | bulle: | wagnerrp: so, instead of needing 1080 rows, they can get by with 540 |
| [19:12:12] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [19:12:15] | bulle: | but what do i know, im just guessing, just sounds insane tat they would leave lots of pixels unused |
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| [19:16:05] | iamlindoro_: | Heh |
| [19:16:28] | iamlindoro_: | You can buy the first *six* Star Trek movies in a blu ray collection for less than the first season on Blu ray |
| [19:17:00] | iamlindoro_: | Or I can just go on watching my equally-1080p HD-DVD copy that I got for $20 ;) |
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| [19:23:07] | gbee: | sooner have the movies |
| [19:23:58] | gbee: | well except 1 & 4 |
| [19:24:16] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, me too |
| [19:24:20] | iamlindoro_: | I'll probably pick them up |
| [19:26:08] | iamlindoro_: | Just insane to charge $120 for a season of television no matter WHAT the format |
| [19:26:45] | gbee: | aye, but if some idiot is willing to pay that's what they'll charge |
| [19:27:10] | poodyp: | the original star trek series? |
| [19:27:17] | iamlindoro_: | I can understand a season of television being more expensive than a movie, as obviously more is spent producing the physical disks and packaging, and it's more hours of entertainment-- but > 100 is insanity |
| [19:27:20] | iamlindoro_: | poodyp: yes |
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| [19:27:28] | poodyp: | jebus |
| [19:27:54] | poodyp: | it was filmed in the 60s... |
| [19:28:05] | iamlindoro_: | Makes me quite happy I bought the HD-DVD equivalent on clearance for $20-- same resolution, same remastering, and it all looks the same in MythVideo :) |
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| [19:30:01] | gbee: | hmm, just read about a US import coming to BBC3 – that should be my first clue that it's not very good, but I read on ... 13 episode 'murder mystery' in which a different character will die each week with the killer revealed at the end ... err, sounds extremely contrived and just a little silly :/ |
| [19:30:20] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: What show is that? |
| [19:30:24] | iamlindoro_: | Doesn't sound familiar |
| [19:30:37] | gbee: | Harper's Island |
| [19:30:42] | iamlindoro_: | Never heard of it |
| [19:31:05] | gbee: | http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a149997/bbc-th . . . -island.html |
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| [19:31:39] | iamlindoro_: | What an awful cast |
| [19:31:49] | iamlindoro_: | Thought you guys only bought the good stuff :) |
| [19:32:09] | gbee: | well mostly :P |
| [19:32:52] | gbee: | BBC3 is a wasteland of a channel though, aimed at teenagers and yound adults – it's mostly complete rubbish |
| [19:33:27] | gbee: | genuinely suprised that they haven't fired every single one of the schedulers for BBC3 yet |
| [19:33:41] | iamlindoro_: | probably related to someone important |
| [19:35:43] | EvilGuru: | Ah, gotta love the TV licensing people: http://freddie.witherden.org/drop/tv-licensing.pdf |
| [19:36:10] | wagnerrp: | gbee: i think thats enough clensing for now... :P |
| [19:36:56] | ** gbee puts down the wet wipes ** | |
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| [19:42:05] | gbee: | EvilGuru: so what is your interest in MythTV, if not TV? |
| [19:42:15] | EvilGuru: | gbee: It is my interest when I am at home |
| [19:43:09] | EvilGuru: | However, when I am in halls I don't watch (or have) any TV |
| [19:43:14] | gbee: | and that address is not your home ... ok :) |
| [19:43:50] | gbee: | guess they make the assumption that all students do is watch TV when they aren't down the pub |
| [19:44:22] | iamlindoro_: | Is the notion of innocence until proven guilty not a part of UK law? |
| [19:44:36] | iamlindoro_: | I wonder how they could lawfully send officers to "confirm" anything |
| [19:45:06] | EvilGuru: | iamlindoro_: I think you can refuse them entry, but if you do, it can constitute as evidence against you should they choose to fail a magistrates case |
| [19:45:22] | iamlindoro_: | If anyone tried any such thing I'd tell them to get a court order and invite them to f**k themselves |
| [19:45:28] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: TV licensing lot have been developing a nasty reputation over the last few years, it's has contributed to a growing backlash over the issue of the TV license fee |
| [19:45:36] | iamlindoro_: | EvilGuru: yeah, that would be a distinct difference in our legal systems |
| [19:45:50] | EvilGuru: | I want to see this van they claim to have which can detect TV receiving equipment that is in use |
| [19:45:54] | iamlindoro_: | EvilGuru: Here if you insist that they legally compel you to do it, they cannot hold it against you |
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| [19:46:09] | EvilGuru: | on the grounds that it pisses over most of the known laws of physics |
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| [19:46:38] | Chiliblack: | EvilGuru, I think we all know it doesn't exist |
| [19:47:07] | gbee: | EvilGuru: I was curious enough to do a couple of hours of research on it (err, googling), can't remember the details but general concensus was that it's genuine – based on analogue at least |
| [19:47:25] | wagnerrp: | EvilGuru: any device that can receive radio transmissions is also going to significantly alter it |
| [19:47:27] | Chiliblack: | perhaps in the days of CRT tv's |
| [19:48:11] | gbee: | Chiliblack: aye |
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| [19:48:35] | gbee: | but that said, although the science was believed to be accurate, I don't know of anyone who has actually see such a van |
| [19:49:18] | wagnerrp: | i imagine its similar to the hardware used to detect radar detectors |
| [19:49:54] | EvilGuru: | The inductance on aerials are in the order of micro-W |
| [19:50:20] | EvilGuru: | Be almost impossible to detect a change in the signal at an accuracy to which you can confirm that it is not your detector changing it |
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| [19:51:07] | wagnerrp: | apparently radar detectors used a superhet to drop the signal frequency out of the carrier wave |
| [19:51:14] | wagnerrp: | down to something easier to process |
| [19:51:26] | wagnerrp: | and in doing so, caused low level transmissions back onto the antenna |
| [19:51:31] | wagnerrp: | which could then be picked up |
| [19:55:39] | gbee: | wagnerrp: same principal |
| [19:55:42] | gbee: | http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/que . . . 2440,00.html |
| [20:01:01] | iamlindoro_: | "Television and radio transmitters broadcast at a frequency that is so high it is unintelligible to the human ear." |
| [20:01:07] | iamlindoro_: | Thanks John Duncan from Edinburgh! |
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| [20:01:57] | wagnerrp: | correct me if im wrong, but couldnt a DSP running at several GHz decode the feed directly, without the need for tuning? |
| [20:02:02] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: No way! I never knew that!!!! ;-) That dude is SMART! |
| [20:03:03] | wagnerrp: | considering they now have DSPs running at over the terahertz range, a coupld gigahertz DSP should be readily available and fairly cheap |
| [20:03:06] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: it's also so slow, it's invisible to the human eye... ;-) |
| [20:03:19] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A|work: heh |
| [20:03:49] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Perhaps they can nowadays... wasn't possible with silicon until recently... ;-) |
| [20:04:05] | justinh: | ffs. if TVs emitted RF which could be detected from outside a building they would never pass EMC compliance tests |
| [20:04:49] | justinh: | especially not the IF oscillator.. which happens to be inside a metal can :P |
| [20:05:35] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: Well, the old CRT sets emitted a 15khz whine from the horizontal refresh — I could hear that from 40' away when I was younger... can still hear it, but have to be closer, and not as many CRTs in use anymore... |
| [20:05:37] | justinh: | when I become PM I'll make it law that people with Sky have to pay double |
| [20:06:15] | justinh: | thing is, it's pretty hard to make a directional detector good enough to pinpoint one TV in a group of houses |
| [20:06:49] | justinh: | see, the cynical part of me thinks it was just a ruse which baffled muggles with science to scare them into paying up |
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| [20:07:09] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: I used to walk by a classroom with a friend, and say – they've got a TV on in there — and they'd be like "what? How can you tell", then they would peek through the window in the door and they'd be amazed... |
| [20:07:19] | justinh: | yeah me too |
| [20:07:28] | justinh: | before I started going to bars & nightclubs |
| [20:07:53] | justinh: | I'm saying that the TV detector stuff was probably bollocks from the get go |
| [20:07:58] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: hehe... ;-) |
| [20:09:15] | justinh: | besides, when you legislate that every TV receiver sold has to be 'registered' you have it sewn up |
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| [20:10:50] | justinh: | and anyway, does anybody know anyone who ever actually saw a real life van with the big kettle aerial on the roof? Or do you know anybody who knows somebody who once met someone who saw one in real life? |
| [20:11:23] | justinh: | or were they just pictures of Hummer vans with big bendy metal things on top in the press? ;-) |
| [20:12:37] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | So you guys actually have a "TV License Fee"??? How Absurd! On top of Commercials? |
| [20:13:31] | justinh: | several channels which have no adverts during the programming |
| [20:13:57] | justinh: | the big commercial channel, ITV1 carries very little worth watching |
| [20:15:04] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: So, if you don't techically have a TV, but have a Myth system, are you still subject to the tax? |
| [20:15:08] | justinh: | yes |
| [20:15:18] | justinh: | ANY TV reception equipment |
| [20:15:29] | justinh: | nobody is except, not even the blind |
| [20:15:50] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: Is it alot of money, or just a little bit? |
| [20:16:02] | justinh: | a l |
| [20:16:05] | justinh: | bleh |
| [20:16:11] | justinh: | about £150 of your Earth GBP |
| [20:16:19] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | a yeah? Yikes! |
| [20:16:25] | justinh: | worth every penny |
| [20:16:26] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | er.. Year |
| [20:16:27] | justinh: | and more |
| [20:17:06] | justinh: | I was paying £25 a month just for fscking Mythbusters :P |
| [20:17:13] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ouch |
| [20:17:29] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Gee, does hulu work out there?!? ;-) |
| [20:17:30] | justinh: | that's all I found worth watching on paytv on cable |
| [20:18:19] | justinh: | since Dave & Virgin1 came along there's less reason to have pay telly |
| [20:19:00] | justinh: | J-e-f-f-A|work: who cares about Hulu when i've got all I have time to watch & more besides from dvb-t ? |
| [20:19:05] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: You get dave now? wow... Didn't think there were sats within your view over there. |
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| [20:19:29] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: I was thinking of the perspective of Mythbusters... ;-) |
| [20:20:20] | justinh: | mythbusters stopped being worth recording |
| [20:20:34] | justinh: | busted, you could say |
| [20:21:17] | justinh: | heh. tvlicensing folks claim detector vans DO exist but they look like ordinary old vans. well, they'd have to have aerials atop – or at least plastic sides. |
| [20:21:30] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | hehe... yeah, I have seen a few episodes where I'm saying to myself – "What the bleep are they thinking — that's not accurate!" |
| [20:21:45] | justinh: | time for walkies anyway |
| [20:25:29] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | paul-h: Hi there... was thinking about possibly creating a 'native' HD44780 LCD driver for myth, since lcdproc won't allow defining the custom characters – do you think that's a good idea? (and select "LCD Driver:" "lcdproc" or "Native HD44780" (or similar) |
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| [20:32:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...forced to compete against all the knockoffs. |
| [20:33:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | send them some hatemail, mebbe they'll do another show... '-) |
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| [20:58:48] | paul-h: | J-e-f-f-A|work: I'm pretty sure the HD44780 does allow you to define custom characters. May depend on the exact device though |
| [20:59:33] | paul-h: | I'd rather not have to support to different protocols if there is a way to avoid it |
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| [21:09:44] | gbee: | behind the scenes of that sheep viral ad posted earlier – http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7961889.stm |
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| [21:29:34] | gbee: | why does every damn nature documentary have to be about lions? I can't believe that of the millions of creatures and hundreds of habitats that anyone still gives a shit about Lions |
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| [21:31:43] | gbee: | they aren't even the most interesting of the big cats ... ahh, but there's my answer, they are the easiest for lazy documentary cameramen to film because they live in flat and relatively unvegetated plains |
| [21:33:06] | justinh: | heh. "when lions attack cameramen".. that'd be a cool show |
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| [21:34:40] | iamlindoro_: | Planet Earth mostly left the lions alone |
| [21:34:45] | gbee: | why spend 6 months or a year patiently stalking through remote forests or mountain terrains to catch less than an hours worth of footage of that rare creature when you can go to a resort location, sleep in luxury hotels with swimming pools, roll out of bed at noon, stroll a mile into the 'bush' film the entire documentary before sundown then return to the resort (billing the production company for a further two week stay of |
| [21:34:46] | gbee: | course) |
| [21:34:59] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: thankfully they did |
| [21:35:30] | iamlindoro_: | PE was brilliant, I am not sure about the followup, as the Icy climates aren't the most interesting to me, but I'll still watch |
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| [21:36:45] | gbee: | unfortunately I just started watching one from their new series – it's supposed to be about the migration of various groups, however they spent 5 minutes explaining how the wilderbeast migrate following the rain then launch into a long section about how it's really about the poor lions who didn't migrate and now have no food |
| [21:38:45] | iamlindoro_: | There are lots of things that claim to be the sucessors to Planet Earth, unfortunately |
| [21:38:52] | iamlindoro_: | and nothing that's even remotely matched it yet |
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| [21:39:26] | iamlindoro_: | I think the only "official" Fothergill et al production coming up is "Frozen Planet" |
| [21:39:55] | iamlindoro_: | Though I think that's not until 2011 |
| [21:40:51] | gbee: | Blue Planet, Planet Earth and Life In Cold Blood were the top ones of recent years |
| [21:41:20] | iamlindoro_: | Not familiar with the last one |
| [21:42:19] | gbee: | as the title suggests it was all about the various forms of reptilian life – not quite upto the standard of Planet Earth simply because it lacked the variety |
| [21:42:50] | gbee: | but still it showcased plenty of interesting stuff and strange creatures I never knew existed |
| [21:42:54] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, much of the genius of Planet earth was the scope |
| [21:43:08] | gbee: | reptiles/amphibian |
| [21:43:21] | iamlindoro_: | It is also by FAR the best thing I own to watch on the 106" screen because the magnitude of everything shown is so huge |
| [21:45:03] | gbee: | in the last year we've also had Lost Land Of the Jaguar, Nature's Great Events and just starting Yellowstone (all BBC Nature productions) |
| [21:45:28] | iamlindoro_: | Yellowstone sounds like it could be good |
| [21:47:23] | gbee: | oh and there was one about Tigers – filmed from cameras mounted on Elephants .... looked fantastic in HD and unique for the close proximity and relaxed behaviour of the Tigers that the elephant method allowed |
| [21:48:39] | gbee: | http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/lifeincoldblood/ |
| [21:49:02] | gbee: | http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/lifeintheundergrowth/ << Was pretty good too |
| [21:49:44] | gbee: | http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/wildchina/ << Err, actually so was that ... more of these things than I remembered |
| [21:49:53] | iamlindoro_: | Heh |
| [21:50:16] | iamlindoro_: | Discovery had a series called "Atlas" focusing on one country per episode |
| [21:50:21] | iamlindoro_: | in HD, and quite good |
| [21:50:36] | iamlindoro_: | now they've filmed like 12 of them, and aired most of them abroad... but only the first four here. irritating |
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| [21:51:44] | gbee: | yeah, disappointing that they shown no sign of going FTA – especially not with their HD |
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| [21:53:06] | gbee: | they are launching a FTA channel here next month, but it looks like the dumping ground for all their crud – mostly the adventure type stuff rather than nature docs |
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| [21:54:26] | justinh: | wonder how much they really make being subscription only -considering they carry adverts anyway |
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| [21:59:13] | justinh: | hmm wonder if Mr Tout has received his wringled old bag tour tickets yet |
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| [22:00:45] | justinh: | btw re nature stuff.. that 'Swarm' was pretty good IMHO |
| [22:01:02] | justinh: | was also in HD IIRC |
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| [22:04:59] | gbee: | considering that a subscription actually reducing the view audience, I think quite a few broadcasters are coming to the conclusion that FTA can mean bigger income if you've got the material to draw people in |
| [22:06:14] | gbee: | benefit of being subscription is that you don't really need good content – once people are onboard you can serve them any old crap, most people pay subscriptions for the additional choice of channels anyway, not any specific one |
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| [22:16:03] | justinh: | hmmm harmony 515 on special at amazon for under 30 quids |
| [22:16:50] | justinh: | our OFA remote is falling apart now. battery compartment is loose & the flap hiding function keys has broken off |
| [22:17:10] | justinh: | not bad for something over 10 years old heh |
| [22:17:32] | AndyCap: | the harmony 525 is a little creaky. haven't seen a 515 |
| [22:17:40] | AndyCap: | but it's ok. |
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| [22:19:42] | justinh: | 39 function buttons, that's 10 more than my OFA-6 has |
| [22:20:18] | justinh: | and some of the buttons are actually usefully labelled, like INFO |
| [22:20:31] | justinh: | and EXIT |
| [22:20:50] | AndyCap: | oh my, the 515 is a space age 525 |
| [22:20:56] | justinh: | I've had to map stuff weirdly but didn't have any choice |
| [22:21:05] | justinh: | like AV is Esc |
| [22:21:11] | justinh: | 10 is 'i' |
| [22:21:28] | AndyCap: | what I really like about the harmony is the macros |
| [22:21:34] | justinh: | I'd hate them |
| [22:21:44] | justinh: | chances are they'd be the first thing I get rid of |
| [22:22:06] | AndyCap: | :P |
| [22:22:14] | justinh: | though it might be cool to have a macro to switch my AV receiver on & make myth jump into mythvideo |
| [22:22:52] | AndyCap: | and you get to have most of the keys assigned to the mythbox and volume and mute to the av receiver. |
| [22:23:13] | AndyCap: | or whatever strikes your fanct |
| [22:23:23] | AndyCap: | ..y |
| [22:24:26] | justinh: | ordered. to heck with it. see how much hassle it really is |
| [22:24:30] | AndyCap: | justinh: logitech does have some clause in their agreement about limiting the number of device configs etc you get to download. |
| [22:24:53] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [22:25:24] | justinh: | you mean in the search to find your codes? shirley not |
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| [22:25:37] | gbee: | wonder how long that price will last |
| [22:26:03] | justinh: | gbee: amazon have similar deals quite often |
| [22:26:19] | AndyCap: | ohh. I should check out http://www.phildev.net/harmony/ |
| [22:26:21] | justinh: | they had one of those fancy touch screen jobbies for silly money a while back |
| [22:26:33] | justinh: | heh yeah I knew it'd been hacked ;) |
| [22:27:08] | AndyCap: | 515 isn't on the list though |
| [22:27:33] | justinh: | "all models except for the 890 and 1000" |
| [22:27:39] | gbee: | might get one for my parents, but it has to easier to understand/use than the three remotes they are having to deal with now |
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| [22:28:29] | justinh: | AndyCap: 515 might just be a remoulded 525 anyway |
| [22:28:44] | justinh: | don't imagine it could be any worse than zapping a JP1 remote :P |
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| [22:29:55] | keith4_: | i'm trying to follow the firewire STB setup in the wiki, but not having any luck |
| [22:29:55] | Guest95463: | need help, looking for a specific tuner, can't remeber the name, it has two tuners and attaches via network cable, ring any bells? |
| [22:30:05] | keith4_: | HD homerun |
| [22:30:07] | gbee: | £30 isn't really too bad when you consider that you'd pay that much for a replacement Sky remote, but all the same, I'd rather not spend the cash unless I was certain it's the right tool for the job :/ |
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| [22:30:45] | gbee: | and it's nowhere near as pretty/tactile/ergonomic looking as the MCE remote |
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| [22:41:16] | AndyCap: | justinh: it shares the same looks. and I guess they just cut the allowable devices from 15 to 5 |
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| [22:53:43] | Goldfisch: | I have mythtv-0.21 (built from source) on ubuntu intrepid ibex. I am trying to get pulseaudio sound working. I just configured it per the http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Digital_Sound, however, that only seems to affect playback. I am trying to get the pulse aiudio sink linked inside mythtv-setup, but it won't accept my change from /dev/dsp. |
| [22:54:48] | Goldfisch: | The console dumps out => 2009-03–24 18:55:35.765 DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 1 |
| [22:55:01] | kormoc: | Erm. Myth doesn't support capturing from pulseaudio. it's better to just drop it anyway |
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| [22:58:44] | Goldfisch: | No alsa options like they have for output? |
| [22:59:12] | keith4_: | the more i hear about pulse, the more i feel like it went out the door before it was ready |
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| [23:02:10] | iamlindoro__: | Goldfisch, No, OSS input only |
| [23:02:34] | iamlindoro__: | Goldfisch, Mostly because a) nobody has written alsa input support and b) people should set framegrabbers on fire anyway |
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| [23:03:54] | Goldfisch: | I don't understand the lack of ALSA support. So much was done to support ALSA output. Just surprised there wasn't as much interest in ALSA input. |
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| [23:04:28] | kormoc: | keith4_, so the story is it was a 'fun' project for a guy and suddenly people were using it, it was never ment to replace ALSA and only implemented a subset of features that some random dude was interested in learning more about |
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| [23:04:42] | keith4_: | kormoc, ew |
| [23:04:42] | janneg: | Goldfisch: nobody uses framegrabbers anymore |
| [23:04:55] | kormoc: | Goldfisch, well, do you want to code ALSA input support for myth? Patches are welcome |
| [23:05:19] | janneg: | there is already a patch |
| [23:05:22] | iamlindoro__: | Even more welcome would be the spontaneous combustion of all framegrabbers |
| [23:05:35] | janneg: | lol |
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| [23:07:40] | keith4_: | man, i am gettin' no love from the firewire here |
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| [23:10:39] | Goldfisch: | Didn't know I needed a hardware upgrade for a system that has been working nicely for a few years. |
| [23:10:41] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: There's an echo on the -users list... in "Can anyone explain these MythTV/MythWeb access quirks?" someone read 2 words of one of my replies and completely ignored the rest, then proceeded to "answer the question" I asked in those 2 words by explaining functionality that I mentioned in the other words (and never actually answered my question). |
| [23:11:48] | keith4_: | Goldfisch, you can use alsa-oss emulation, no? |
| [23:11:48] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, I saw :) |
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| [23:13:03] | Goldfisch: | I'm sure I could. I haven't looked into that much. The reason this is always fussy, is the fact that I have two sound cards, one on the motherboard, and a separate card, since my sound wasn't duplex. |
| [23:14:13] | Goldfisch: | I just checked and found I have alsa-oss package installed. |
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| [23:15:35] | keith4_: | <Goldfisch> Didn't know I needed a hardware upgrade for a system that has been working nicely for a few years. |
| [23:15:36] | keith4_: | heh |
| [23:15:40] | wagnerrp: | cant modern computers practically transcode mp3 at the transfer speed of mp3 players? |
| [23:15:46] | keith4_: | you don't |
| [23:15:58] | keith4_: | wagnerrp, much, much faster actually |
| [23:16:09] | keith4_: | Goldfisch, blame ubuntu, they're the ones that changed on your |
| [23:16:16] | keith4_: | on you, rather |
| [23:16:17] | iamlindoro__: | But if you upgrade the software, expecting that you won't eventually need to upgrade your hardware is unrealistic |
| [23:16:27] | wagnerrp: | keith4_: i mean a decent mp3 player can probably write to disk at maybe 10MB/s |
| [23:16:35] | wagnerrp: | can you encode that fast? |
| [23:17:03] | iamlindoro__: | If you remain on a version of myth from a vitnage where everyone used framegrabbers, with accompanying distro, you'll be fine. But new myth means better support for current hardware, and the deprecation of the ancient |
| [23:17:09] | yunosh (yunosh!n=jan@horde/jan) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [23:17:29] | yunosh: | hi. how can i change the teletext font? |
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| [23:18:39] | Goldfisch: | So you contend that replacing my capture card with a PVR 350 would be the short and simple answer, ehh? |
| [23:19:01] | iamlindoro__: | the PVR-350 is ancient/almost deprecated hardware too :) |
| [23:19:11] | iamlindoro__: | but it would at least work without fiddling with audio inputs |
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| [23:19:43] | wagnerrp: | here we go... an ancient version of Lame running at 'high quality' on an ancient computer (P3 600MHz) ran at 4.75x |
| [23:20:17] | Goldfisch: | Grr! I can't keep up! |
| [23:20:32] | meshe: | w |
| [23:20:40] | meshe: | sorry, wrong window |
| [23:20:49] | wagnerrp: | so say a top end 3GHz C2Q could manage 140x |
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| [23:21:17] | wagnerrp: | so that would be maybe 2.8MB/s |
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| [23:22:14] | wagnerrp: | theres an article on slashdot about a 'lossless mp3' format |
| [23:22:30] | iamlindoro__: | Yeah, it's spelled WAV |
| [23:22:31] | iamlindoro__: | ;) |
| [23:22:39] | wagnerrp: | which includes the lossy format in the file, backwards compatible for older players |
| [23:22:48] | iamlindoro__: | everyone is doing that business lately |
| [23:22:58] | iamlindoro__: | lossly core, lossless differential laid on top of it |
| [23:23:06] | iamlindoro__: | TrueHD and DTS-HD Ma both work that way too |
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| [23:23:11] | iamlindoro__: | er MA |
| [23:23:29] | wagnerrp: | im just wondering how intensive it would be to just store everything in FLAC, and then transcode on-the-fly as youre transferring it to a player |
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| [23:24:16] | wagnerrp: | i would think storing a multi-level audio file like that is noticeably wasteful on storage |
| [23:24:40] | wagnerrp: | beyond the fact that now youre carrying around a massive file on a device that actually does have limited storage |
| [23:25:07] | ** kormoc tells lossless mp3s to die in a fire ** | |
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| [23:29:22] | iamlindoro__: | Hmmm, leaving myself logged in at the office has some diagnostic value |
| [23:29:42] | iamlindoro__: | like "Hey, I just left the channel... my boss will be calling shortly about the internet connection." |
| [23:29:54] | kormoc: | Heh |
| [23:30:01] | wagnerrp: | i wish my drive caddy supported pata drives... |
| [23:30:02] | kormoc: | or you could creep him out by calling him |
| [23:30:12] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, "I... sensed something was wrong!" |
| [23:30:13] | kormoc: | "I just got this feeling that you had something to ask me?" |
| [23:30:17] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [23:30:19] | iamlindoro__: | hahaha |
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| [23:32:17] | wagnerrp: | do i dig out my PATA external, swap drives, take it down to the basement to a computer that can read the disk, to access my old cacti archives |
| [23:32:23] | wagnerrp: | or do i just start fresh.... |
| [23:32:29] | wagnerrp: | i think ill start fresh |
| [23:32:29] | kormoc: | the first time would be creepy, the fifth would be awesomely creepy |
| [23:33:53] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, Thankfully I have a pretty smart/capable boss who seldom bugs me outside of work hours, and sometimes just fixes problems himself |
| [23:36:17] | sphery: | Victory! For the first time I know of, someone--not me--sent another user to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
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| [23:46:17] | yunosh: | does nobody how i can change the teletext font? |
| [23:48:56] | aclose|away is now known as aclose | |
| [23:51:36] | iamlindoro__: | Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV settings->Playback OSD, pages 3, 4, and 5 |
| [23:52:27] | yunosh: | i thought these were for subtitles and the osd screen? |
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| [23:53:01] | iamlindoro__: | Read what the names of the pages are :) |
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| [23:55:55] | yunosh: | it says atsc subtitles. and i don't have atsc (europe here), neither did i want to change subtitles. but now that i know, i'll give it a try ;-) |
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| [23:58:52] | wagnerrp: | ugh... i dont have the cacti xml profile for my raid card either |
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