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RDV_Linux3:

iamlindoro: I would like you to only tagging a downloaded graphics file name with e,g, "Season 1" when it is truly a season level graphic. As thetvdb.com is being constantly updated new shows often to not start with season posters but they come later. I can change ttvdb to signal if the graphic URL is season level or not by a (key tag) or a return code.

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RDV_Linux3:

I want to run an nightly job that checks for new graphics on thetvdb.com only when a season level graphic is not already downloaded. With the current setup the graphics are named as if they were all season level. It does not matter to the video's meta data one way or the other. Just a thought.

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RDV_Linux3:

This request goes for banners also.

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iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux3, There is no way for me to accommodate that at this time, MythVideo has no knowledge of whether tvdb returns a graphic for a season or not

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iamlindoro__:

But I *must* name them according to the season to allow existing graphics to stay when the season changes, without overwriting all of them

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iamlindoro__:

If I download the current way, but a season graphic shows up eventually, the next time you add an episode to that season, they will all get updated

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iamlindoro__:

ie if on 2x01 there's no season graphic, you'll get the generic... but if there's one by 2x05, since they're always going to be named $show season #.jpg, it will overwrite the existing onces for the season and "catch up"

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iamlindoro__:

s/onces/ones/

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iamlindoro__:

Likewise it will leave $show Season 1.jpg alone

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iamlindoro__:

so the old season will be fine, but the new season will always be caught up with the latest

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iamlindoro__:

Do you understand? You keep asking me about the naming, so I want to make sure I am clear on this point

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RDV_Linux3:

Nightly jobs could do excessive re-downloads for no reason. Frankly I do not use Mythvideo download now. I just rely on a nightly job to do all the update work. I hate manual effort. I have no issue with the naming convention and am going to rename all my graphics to fir within that convention.

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zz_marcus_:

.

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iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux3, There's just *no* way for me to make it work the way you're asking for now, this is going to be the best it gets for now

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iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux3, keep in mind that my modifications are already a huge step up from "TVDB #.jpg"

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iamlindoro__:

And that this is the only way to make it work for multi-season shows right now while simultaneously not overwriting the existing seasons

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RDV_Linux3:

np, I will try to think my way around this one. My goals was to be able to use both Mythtv download and automated updates. You know the Mythtv community far better then I do.

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iamlindoro__:

Not about knowing the community, but it *is* about knowing the grabber/DB code a bit :)

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RDV_Linux3:

I am with you on the "huge step up from "TVDB #.jpg" comment.

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iamlindoro__:

I'll pose it as a scenario for you-- When a video gets added to mythvideo and the metadata gets looked up, that info is static. So let's say I'm watching Season 1 of Lost.

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iamlindoro__:

I download my metadata but at that time there's no banner or fanart for the season, just overall

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iamlindoro__:

so with your request It would download Lost.jpg for Fanart and lost.jpg for banner and set that in the DB

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iamlindoro__:

which is fine.

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iamlindoro__:

Now, come episode 5, there is an image for each of those so it starts downloading it as "Lost Season 5.jpg"

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iamlindoro__:

first off, you have images which differ between the same season, so that's problem one

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iamlindoro__:

now Season 2 starts... and there's no fanart or banner for season 2... so it downloads Lost.jpg again and.... now suddenly the first part of season 1 *and* of season two have identical fanart/banners

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iamlindoro__:

and everything looks weird

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RDV_Linux3:

I will have to absorb what I just wrote. Give me a minute or two.

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iamlindoro__:

instead, under my download naming scheme, Episodes within a single season will *always* have identical images, and nothing gets overwritten when a new season begins

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RDV_Linux3:

Your method is definitely good if you consistently use myth download. I just like automated updates. I will work out something.

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iamlindoro__:

Yeah, that's kinda what the MythVideo download code needs to assume

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RDV_Linux3:

I had also assumed that the myth download code only re-downloaded if the graphic file did not already exist.

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iamlindoro__:

It only redownloads if no graphic is *assigned*

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iamlindoro__:

I promise this works extremely well if you're not trying to make it match an external arrangement/script/etc. :)

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iamlindoro__:

I regret that you're having to go out of your way, but I can only go so far without tearing out all the metadata download code and rewriting it myself

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iamlindoro__:

But I do know that for strictly-myth purposes, this is the best way to do it within the current infrastructure

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iamlindoro__:

That said, I believe the variability of grabbing (ie only grabbing certain pieces, etc.) will improve when the rewrite gets done, and if it doesn't do what you want it might be possible to consider it then

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iamlindoro__:

But I speak within knowing exactly what the "new" is going to be or how it will function, so I will need to learn it once it's in

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RDV_Linux3:

That is what I missed as I look at episodes being collective sharing the same graphic not from the perspective that a new episode without a graphic link will force an overwrite of a shared graphics. Do not worry about my needs I think I already came up with a good method.

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iamlindoro__:

ok, glad to hear it :)

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iamlindoro__:

but sounds like you've got the explanation now :)

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iamlindoro__:

In essence, it's having to take into account a naming scheme that works for a whole season and prevents overwriting as much as possible, versus not downloading the exact same image for each episode if I were to name things "Lost Season 1 Episode 1.jpg"... it was the happy medium between retaining existing images and not downloading 24 copies of the same

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iamlindoro__:

I *could* have it name that way, but then I would have to deal with each image potentially being identical to all the others in the season

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iamlindoro__:

so in some ways it was a judgment call, and in some respects it was a requirement to not disrupt the existing data

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RDV_Linux3:

No your naming convention is appropriate to the graphic levels (Series and Series-season) episode level is overkill,

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iamlindoro__:

right, so it's the best "happy medium" I could find :)

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iamlindoro__:

and does a nice job of keeping things tidy on the Season level while still allowing for banner/cover/fanart to change at the season boundary

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RDV_Linux3:

I will get back to you if I figure out something. In any event it was all about not pounding thetvdb.com which suffers enough.

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iamlindoro__:

Well, got them in touch with the Schedules Direct folks now so we'll see if they can be helped out by the Myth community

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RDV_Linux3:

I saw the messages about that, thank on behalf of the users of thetvdb.com:-D

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, well thanks would be premature as I don't have any say in the matter, just put the two groups of folks in touch but I'm hopeful for collaboration

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RDV_Linux3:

iamlindoro: I am going to drive Ben (tvdb_api) crazy as I just found out there are user ratings on season level posters and banners. I would love to have ttvdb return top rated graphics not only for series level but also season level. Maybe I will try to patch his code as an offering.

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iamlindoro__:

Yes, the -t for all options would be nice as some of the default stuff is gnarly indeed

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iamlindoro__:

BUT bear in mind that Anduin's proposed metadata rewrite involves presenting the user with a choice of thumbnails so you may not need to drive yourself too crazy on that

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iamlindoro__:

If it's an easy short term improvement, great, but if not, it can be worked out by presenting the user with a choice

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RDV_Linux3:

I just saw the season 4 graphic I have for Supernatural are very poor. tvdb_api already can get thumbnails of at least fanart and I think posters.

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iamlindoro__:

Thumbnails of all the material definitely exist, as their web site itself presents them for all stuff

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iamlindoro__:

Hopefully all that is exposed in the API, it probably is

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RDV_Linux3:

I just did not implement the option as I did not care about thumbnails, It would be easy to implement.

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IceWewe:

I'm running mythtv version 0.21_p19961-r1, nuvexport version 0.5_p20080311 and nothing is happening

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IceWewe:

it gets the show data, it gets to starting ffmpeg, and then nothing.

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IceWewe:

I've tried with --debug, and it pretty much tells me what it's supposed to be doing, but nothing happens. nada.

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IceWewe:

any ideas?

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JEDIDIAH__:

having to sort through a dialog for every show or season would drive some of us batty.

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IceWewe:

I'm just doing it from the command line to get some output

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IceWewe:

because there's no output in mythbackend.log

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JEDIDIAH__:

automation is good.

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IceWewe:

it is, when the stuff that's being automated works in the first place

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IceWewe:

which, it is

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IceWewe:

it isn't*

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JEDIDIAH__:

...although this is one of the easiest things for a motivated end user to fix.

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IceWewe:

this is the output from using --debug

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IceWewe:

http://pastebin.com/d4d6ddb5d

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IceWewe:

it's not very useful to me

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RDV_Linux3:

iamlindora: The solution was easy, I will compare the season file size against the series file size. If they are the same I can safely assume that the season level graphics is actually only a series graphic and then check if a season level is newly available. I will always have a series level poster graphic downloaded as I use that for the folder cover image.

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Wicked:

hello all. im still having issue with jerky video playback when i goto change the volume or channel. pretty much any time a osd comes up the video skips and becomes laggy. my hardware is planty good(core2duo, 4 gigs ram, gtx260 video card)

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Wicked:

any ideas on what i can try?

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Wicked:

*plenty

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** mchou suspects crappy nvidia driver **

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Wicked:

im using the official driver

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Wicked:

i got direct rendering

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Wicked:

and im getting around 13,000 fps according to glxgears

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mchou:

official drivers are know to be crappy

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mchou:

known*

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Wicked:

they work better then the oss nv ;)

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mchou:

don be to sure about that. at the rate nvidia is going they'll be at parity soon

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Wicked:

plus this same setup was working perfect a week ago. i was running 32bit ubuntu ...but i am now using 64bit

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mchou:

dont*

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rogueone:

FYI for those that tried to help with my prebuffer problems last night. it was *most definitely* a HDD problem, not a software problem.

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mchou:

rogueone: what was the issue last night?

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rogueone:

looks like I get to rebuild

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rogueone:

i was getting prebuffer problems on what I now know were certain files at a certain location on my drive

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rogueone:

at the time, i couldn't really find a rhyme or reason

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mchou:

so what did you do to narrow down the root cause?

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rogueone:

but now, the machine is having a hard time booting (well, finding a drive to boot from), and when it does boot, even running simple commands like "less" causes kernel panic errors

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mchou:

haha

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mchou:

yeah. that's an "improvement"

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rogueone:

i ran smartctl and it came back unfavorable. then i downloaded the ultimate boot cd and ran a Seagate drive inspector... got 77% of the way through and cratered with tons of errors

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rogueone:

from then, the boot issues, the kernel panics, etc.

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mchou:

what seagate drive is this?

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rogueone:

it's a diamondmax 22

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rogueone:

(maxtor)

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mchou:

diamondmax?

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rogueone:

diamondpro?

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mchou:

that's crapola maxtor

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rogueone:

i dunn

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rogueone:

yeah, it was cheap

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mchou:

you get what you pay for

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kormoc:

Wicked, useEvents enabled?

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Wicked:

kormoc, yea

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rogueone:

yeah, now i know

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kormoc:

what's the logs say?

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rogueone:

which logs?

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Wicked:

it helped a little bit. but it still does it

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Wicked:

kormoc, the mythbackend one?

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kormoc:

frontend

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rogueone:

well, i'd love to read them to you, but they cause kernel panics

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kormoc:

might need to run with -v playback to get a useful log

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Wicked:

kormoc, let me scope it out

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mchou:

rogueone: that may or may not be a HDD issue

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rogueone:

oh, not talking to me.

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rogueone:

really.... why do you think that

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mchou:

rogueone: could still be bad me or overheated proc, just as examples

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mchou:

disk may have right data but meory does scrambling

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mchou:

memory*

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mchou:

reads are correct, writes are garbage......

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Wicked:

kormoc, i dont see anything obvious. http://pastebin.com/m598d6682

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mchou:

all bets are off

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rogueone:

well, until this afternoon following an intensive hdd diagnostic, the only problem I ever saw was prebuffer errors on certain video files

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rogueone:

i was getting read errors on the hdd diagnostic

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mchou:

rogueone: if you can boot from live cd and not crash then it's likely to be HDD problem

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Wicked:

the two lines i see that look slightly out of place is: ALSA, Warning: mmap not available, attempting to fall back to slow writes.

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Wicked:

and: Realtime priority would require SUID as root.

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rogueone:

yeah, i'll test that in a few. my wife's using the monitor (our HDTV) to watch Firefly:Janestown

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mchou:

rogueone: read errors on HDD diagnostic may still mean bad mem

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rogueone:

certainly. before I go buy anything, I'll check cpu and mem for errors.

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Wicked:

i just had issues with my hard drives. check the cables too.

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Wicked:

and if you have a tester ....test the psu

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kormoc:

Wicked, are you using pulse audio?

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rogueone:

thanks Wicked, I'll check those too. what kind of tester do I need to check the PSU? voltmeter or something more sophisticated

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Wicked:

kormoc, yes. but when i tried to killall pulseaudio then start mythtv it didnt seem to make the stuttering go away

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kormoc:

Wicked, can you try disabling it and rebooting cleanly? I know it sometimes leaves the hardware in a funky state....

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Wicked:

rogueone, umm i think you can use a volt meter...but i also know they have specific testers for psu's...u plug the connector right in and it will tell you if its good

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Wicked:

kormoc, yea. i will try that. its the one thing i have not tried yet

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Wicked:

let me apt remove it

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rogueone:

but, my inclination is that it's a hdd prob, seeing as how the drive isn't showing up in the bios, and the read errors started 75% of the way through the test (and that's the same place my problem files are stored)

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mchou:

rogueone: you might need to upgrade HDD firmware

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mchou:

rogueone: you might have hit on the infamous seagate falibus

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mchou:

rogueone: which include maxtors

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rogueone:

couldn't figure out how/where to do that. i read about the firmware problems that seagate tried to fix on the 2007.11 series. i checked my serial number in their online database, and it said my drive wasn't in the bad batch

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rogueone:

(not a guarantee, but still somewhat heartwarming)

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mchou:

not being recognized in bios is classic bad segate firmware symptom

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rogueone:

so, what current drive would you recommend? I have a 1Tb DiamondMax 22. i'd like to keep the capacity. might even split it into two drives, one small for the OS and one large for the data

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Wicked:

kormoc, i gotta wait untill this recording is done to reboot. but thanks for the suggestionon uninstalling pulseaudio. i hope it is the fix im looking for! :)

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AnNahar:

hi

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AnNahar:

is there any way to get flash player in mythweb to pop out?

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kormoc:

not without coding it to

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rogueone:

no hdd recommendations?

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kormoc:

I recommend Western Digital's, namely the 'blacks'

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beer:

good evening

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AnNahar:

kormoc, are there plans to add that capability?

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beer:

does anyone know of a way to launch mythtv from the desktop by pressing a button on the keyboard. all I seem to be able to find is in application configurations for lirc

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beer:

I found what I was looking for, I was using the wrong search parms

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beer:

http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=46211

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LanUser:

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Wicked:

well i just rebooted after removing pulseaudio and im still getting the jerkyness when a osd comes up

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Wicked:

i was really hoping that would fix it :(

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Wicked:

but now the frontend is saying unable to find mixer controls http://pastebin.com/m7d2913db

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Wicked:

well changing the control to pcm fixed the Mixer unable to find control Master 1 problem...but its still skipping like hell when changing volumes/channels.

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AnNahar:

kormoc, are there plans to add a popout feature?

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AnNahar:

for mythweb flash player?

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hachi:

hi all

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hachi:

my slave backends keep going offline for no discernable reasons

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hachi:

no log messages, no nothing I can see

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hachi:

strace them and they think they're connected to the master just fine

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Wicked:

dammit! i cannot get this to work properly. no matter what i set....the playback becomes jerky whenever a osd comes up

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cesman:

hachi: if you are seeking assistance, perhaps you should post the logs from your mbe and sbe

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cesman:

hachi: that would at least give someone something to look at

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hachi:

the logs are empty

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hachi:

0 bytes long, after having been rotated out like a day ago

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cesman:

whaaa

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cesman:

perhaps you should do a verbose log of both BE

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cesman:

post (pastebin) the logs for around the time it happens

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cesman:

w/o details, no one can please

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hachi:

well, I'll scrape it together

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kormoc:

AnNahar, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/20246

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mzb_xps:

*sigh*

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kormoc:

Having trouble sleeping eh?

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kormoc:

Jeeze, what's with the nick changing?

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mzb_tmp:

grouping

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mzb_tmp:

(and it's 4:11pm;))

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mzb:

setting up znc in anticipation of getting something really neat going (cross fingers)

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mzb:

(involving mobile phone among other things)

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clever:

mzb: ive got similar stuff setup here, multiple irc clients sharing a single nick, including the cellphone sometimes

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mzb:

znc or something else?

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mzb:

tried dircproxy until I found out not enough features

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mzb:

have combined znc with blitbee, too ;)

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clever:

using ctrlproxy

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mzb:

much different?

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clever:

never used the others so i dont know

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mzb:

k

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clever:

you basicaly connect to it like an irc server and it relays the traffic on

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mzb:

hmm .. mythtvosd not working for me in trunk :(

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mzb:

yep

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mzb:

multiple clients & servers

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clever:

ive also heard mention of a socks proxy mode

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mzb:

znc has loadable modules which is quite neat

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clever:

you try to use it as a socks proxy for irc.freenode.net and it merges you into the existing session for freenode

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mzb:

(hence away-nick grouping I was doing)

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mzb:

znc also has a webadmin page

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

all of ctrlproxy is done thru 'irc commands' in a special irc connection you make

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mzb:

(not part of webmin, if you know what I mean)

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mzb:

yep, znc does that as well

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clever:

the commands also work on the relay connections as /ctrlproxy

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clever:

might be better to not spam this place up and move to #ctrlproxy

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mzb:

:)

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mzb:

hmm, I'll try an experiment

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wagnerrp:

apparently someone bought a 'new' DVD player from best buy

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wagnerrp:

it was obviously repackaged, due to the copy of "buckets o' cum" found in the dvd tray

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mzb:

heh

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mzb:

can anyone think of a reason why my mythtvosd is not working in trunk?

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mzb:

nothing appears in logs with -v most

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mzb:

doesn't seem to be OSDTheme related

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mzb:

(tried Retro and default)

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mzb:

rats ... have to go on with other stuff then, and hope that it'll all come together in the end ;)

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d0netsFN:

you know what we need in myth?

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d0netsFN:

the ability to customize an interface for sports and other stuff

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d0netsFN:

so that you can pull live scores and stats

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d0netsFN:

and add whichever ones you want inside your mythtv screen

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mzb:

when will you get that finished, then? ;)

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d0netsFN:

for instance, have little boxes for shot clock, player stats, other game scores that you are interested in, etc...

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** kormoc blinks **

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d0netsFN:

shotclock might be hard

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kormoc:

extremely

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d0netsFN:

how hard would that be to write? and what languages do i need to know

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kormoc:

extremely hard, c++ at least, likely a scripting language as well to dump from websites, and it's unlikely to be accepted in if it breaks any terms of service that most websites have

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mzb:

I'd like a similar thing for Bathurst 1000 ... but working that out on a per-programme basis + changes to the mythui + everything else == nightmare?

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mzb:

eg: Formula1 ... inset of car position on track

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mzb:

it's easier to have a laptop next to me to achieve the same thing

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mzb:

(don't forget a lot of these things are flash-based which I assume would make the whole thing harder)

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AnNahar:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/20246

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AnNahar:

does this mean pop out player for mythweb is currently in cvs?

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AnNahar:

svn

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oobe:

how do i rebuild the seek table of a recording i have a mpeg2 recording that thinks its 1 hr and 14 mins long but its only 44 mins afer editing out the ads and now it plays back all messed up in myth but fine in mplayer

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oobe:

me was being lazy i found it

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aquarius:

I'm trying to set up Myth to transcode recordings, but I'm confused by the instructions. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Removing_Commercials says "To enable automatic transcoding, do the following: start the setup program under the host-specific settings: set the Transcoder Auto-run checkbox", but I don't know where that is in the settings

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oobe:

aquarius, you can do it in mythfrontend or mythweb

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oobe:

setup / utilities / somewhere / somewhere from memory

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aquarius:

oobe: yeah, that's the bit I can't find. :)

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oobe:

i think in might be in recoring profiles under tv settings

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lyricnz:

For some reason, I had nothing but segfaults attempting transcoding

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aquarius:

oobe: there's a recording profiles section, but there's nothing in there about making the transcoding happen automatically, unless I've missed something

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aquarius:

in mythweb, under settings > tv, there's only "my session", "channel info", and "playback groups"

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the-FoX:

hi

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the-FoX:

does there exists an solution to integrate the slimdevices squeezebox into mythtv?

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oobe:

aquarius, i found it under tv settings general

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oobe:

on the 3 rd page

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oobe:

the-FoX i dont know anything about slimdevices squeezebox but im guessing that it uses some sort of network protocol most likey udp auto discovery your linux install is most likely capable of mounting it as a share and then you can get mythtv to use that path in its mp3 player settings

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aquarius:

oobe: erm, which one? I have "advert skip method", "strict advert detection", "default transcoder", "deferral days for auto-transcode jobs", "default jobqueue settings". Do I need to select "run transcoder" in "default jobqueue settings"?

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oobe:

aquarius, run transcoder

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oobe:

i thought it was self explanatory

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oobe:

you also choose a transcoding profile

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oobe:

make sure you have mythtv keep original in mythtv-setup until you have tested it

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oobe:

that way if it messes up your recordings you can replace it

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oobe:

after you have let it transcode a few recordings successfully and you are happy with your profile let it delete original file

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aquarius:

oobe: where's "keep original"

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aquarius:

?

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oobe:

im not going to walk you through it

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oobe:

but its in the general setup in mythtv-setup

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oobe:

somewhere

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aquarius:

I'll see if I can find it. Thanks for helping

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timeL0RD:

Hi, I have a problem with Autoexpire not working on one of my volumes. I have 2 Volumes in the group. 1 Works fine, the other (an LVM volume) doesn't and keeps filling up. Any Ideas?

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ServerSage:

I've been trying to find an answer to this for a few hours now. Is an intel mb/atom cpu capable of doing HD with MythTV? I'm looking to build a new frontend, and am searching for that silent/powerful nirvana.

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slayven:

ServerSage: in my experience, streaming HD content works decent at about 3Ghz, that is, if both backend and frontend are on the same machine

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ServerSage:

Backend is a different system, not sure I could stand having that many drives and fans running my living room. Hehe. I'm just looking for a new frontend.

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slayven:

well in this case, 2.0 – 2.5 Ghz may be sufficient

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ServerSage:

Bummer, core2 duo it is then.

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slayven:

that is, unless intel comes up with hardware acceleration for linux

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mzb:

all changes with something that supports xvmc/vdpau afaik

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slayven:

nvidia is on the way. I tried the beta-driver and mplayer w/ vdpau patch and it really works pretty well

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ServerSage:

Good to hear. Would be nice to have a near silent frontend that sips electricity.

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jarle:

When the channel scanner in mythtv-setup says "Updating <xxx-channel>", does it really mean that settings for this channel has changed since the last scan? If so it seems that more or less all my channels change between each scan....

[12:12:45]

AnNahar:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/20246

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AnNahar:

does this mean pop out player for mythweb is currently in cvs?

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siXy:

hello, what should I be looking for in a UK freesat tuner? I am not sure if there's any special features needed for the HDTV support, or if any sat tuner will do.

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gbee:

siXy: DVB-S2 to future proof it

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siXy:

great, thanks. Is there a limit on how many tuners I can run off one satellite?

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AndyCap:

siXy: you mean LNB right?

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gbee:

although Freesat is currently all DVB-S, they mandate that receivers be DVB-S2 compatible so it looks like they'll be making that switch in the future

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AndyCap:

siXy: you need one output for each tuner, since they want control of the lnb. or a H/V-Hi/Lo output quattro lnb and a switch.

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siXy:

AndyCap: I might do. To be honest my knowledge of sat stuff is extremely limited, it's been DVB-T all the way until now

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siXy:

ok, thanks. I will see if I can pick up one of those

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AndyCap:

siXy: since the LNB is switched by the tuner to receive the High or Low band and horizontal or vertical polarization.

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gbee:

siXy: how many do you think you'd want? Quad LNB would be cheaper and easier – but limited to 4xtuners

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AndyCap:

siXy: you can get twin or quad lnb and even eight.

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AndyCap:

I guess eight could be a tad cheaper than a quattro + switch.

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siXy:

two would suffice, but four would be perfect. I think more than that is overkill

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AndyCap:

hmm, or did I confuse the quad / quattro terms now

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gbee:

AndyCap: no, you've got them right

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gbee:

Quattro outputs the four component bands – combined with a switch that allows you to connect any number of tuners, but it really is the high-end option, more usually used by hotels etc

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gbee:

Quad LNB is the more usual option for a domestic environment

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AndyCap:

siXy: and then there's diseqc to contend with if you want more than one LNB

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AndyCap:

which you might want if you for instance speak german. :)

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gbee:

again, not an issue with a Quad LNB, you get four 4 cables out and each is independant

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gbee:

he won't want to point at a second constellation :)

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AndyCap:

hehe.

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AndyCap:

astra 2 should be enought for anyone? :)

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gbee:

pretty much all you'd want will be on Astra 2 and Eurobird1

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gbee:

which are happily at the same position :)

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AndyCap:

well, astra 2 is a lot of birds iirc.

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** siXy watches the pretty, pretty words fly right over his head **

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gbee:

4

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siXy:

ok, so I need to replace the LNB (the thing actually at the focal point of the sat dish) if I want more than one tuner.

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AndyCap:

so, when are you people going to fix astra 2d. :-P

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AndyCap:

siXy: yep

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siXy:

fantastic. thankyou both very much

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gbee:

although 2D is being moved out of the group for the Summer, an Astra 1 bird died and it's being moved to cover central/eastern europe until a replacement is launched

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AndyCap:

ooh, does this mean a new footprint for the 2d channels? :P

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** AndyCap is an optimist **

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gbee:

they are shifting off the current channels onto spare space on the other astra 2 birds

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gbee:

2d will start relaying what used to be on the Astra 1 which failed

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AndyCap:

this sounds like massive win.

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gbee:

ahh, remembered wrong, they are moving 2C not 2D

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AndyCap:

aaaw crap

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AndyCap:

dunno how flexible the satellite are though. if they have the ability to change the beam on the fly

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gbee:

and it's replacing Astra 5A not an Astra 1

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AndyCap:

if they can't, using 2d would probably not be a good idea

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gbee:

you have problems receiving 2D?

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AndyCap:

of course I do. I'm not supposed to be able to. :-P

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gbee:

heh, I've no idea where you are ;)

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AndyCap:

so if it were just slanted the other way towards the east instead of towards iceland. :P

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AndyCap:

but you'd need something at 28W for that I guess

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siXy:

it's really not easy to find HDTV dvb-s2 tuners that work on linux :/ What do you use?

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gbee:

siXy: Hauppauge Nova-S2 should work

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gbee:

personally I have a Nova-S (no S2), when they switch to S2 I'll need to buy new hardware

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siXy:

thanks.

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Chilired:

when it comes to a videocard for myth front end would a 9400gt be ok, should I go for 1gb or 512mb?

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wagnerrp:

Chilired: perfectly fine... either

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wagnerrp:

if someone ever writes some CUDA code for mythtv, the extra memory may come in handy

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wagnerrp:

but it will most likely never make a difference

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ccfreak2k:

Chilired, figure out your requirements first, then find the appropriate hardware.

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jams:

the local store has one pvr-500 on the shelf. Can't decide if I should buy it or not.

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gbee:

do you need it?

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jams:

not exactly, was thinking it would be good to have a spare in case one of my other two failed.

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sid3windr:

pvr addict

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jams:

perhaps :)

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jams:

since the 500 isn't being produced anymore, it seems like a good idea to pick it up. But then again the odds of a card just going poof is pretty low.

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gbee:

PVR-500 been dropped in favour of the HD-PVR?

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jams:

more likely the 1800. The HD-PVR is more for component capture.

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jams:

ah well, the odds are pretty high i'm going to buy it next time I drive past the store.

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jams:

they also have pretty nice looking htpc case, but it's btx.

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jams:

not for sure if it's also atx

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jams:

hobbies can be expensive

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gbee:

I still think of the PVR-*s as capture rather than analogue

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wagnerrp:

the 500 has been dropped in favor of the 2250

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jams:

that makes sense

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jams:

the dual tuner version of the 1800

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wagnerrp:

not exactly

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wagnerrp:

the 1800 IS a dual tuner

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jams:

so the quad tuner version of the 1800

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wagnerrp:

the 2250 is more like the dual tuner version of the 1250.... with encoders

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wagnerrp:

it is not a quad tuner, just a dual tuner

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wagnerrp:

it only has two tuners, each capable of analog or digital

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wagnerrp:

now whether you can use the two encoders, while using the two tuners for digital... i cant say

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wagnerrp:

using video capture rather than RF

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oobe:

its my experierice that you cant use analouge and digital at the same time in my hybrid tuner

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oobe:

oh your talking about pvr's

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keith4:

ugh. time to sell my pchdtv 5500s. cocksucking cable company

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stoth:

wagnerrp: "the 2250 is more like the dual tuner version of the 1250.... with encoders...." , but much better.

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** iamlindoro_ notes stoth was all about the 2250 yesterday, apparently **

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stoth:

all weekend

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iamlindoro_:

I'm sure people would be pleased to hear that :)

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Chilired:

ccfreak2k, well my requirements are set a little by the available hardware I have to hand, in my case a recycled PC, its a first attempt to see how it would all work in practice. I might have to buy a new machine if I decided to use HD

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: Would it be better for me to open a ticket on the OSD metadata (and other SG related bug) fix? I don't want to bury you under tickets, but didn't want that one to get lost either

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dashs:

Do I need to authorize a jobqueue backend host to access mythconverg (how?)

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dashs:

Does it need an X-windows sever running to so (mine headless).

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meshe:

what distro is your master backend?

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dashs:

meshe: Debian

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meshe:

there are a few steps:

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dashs:

meshe: sorry master backend is Ubunut

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dashs:

excuse dsylexia

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meshe:

1. make sure that your /etc/mysql/my.cnf isn't causing mysql to bind to localhost usually comment out the bind = line

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dashs:

meshe: on master? or remote?

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meshe:

these are all master

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dashs:

ok

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meshe:

there should be a host line in .mythtv/mysql.txt (can't remeber the name of the var off the top of my head) that needs to be set to localhost if you changed the my.cnf

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dashs:

bind-address was lo

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meshe:

while you're in mysql.txt check the username and password, you'll need it for the next step

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meshe:

did you comment it out?

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dashs:

yes

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meshe:

ok, you'll need to restart mysql, best to stop the backend first: stop /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop && sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart && /etc/init.d/mythbackend start

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dashs:

DBhostname already set to localhost in mysql.txt

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meshe:

cool

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meshe:

oops, add a sudo to the last one:

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meshe:

ok, you'll need to restart mysql, best to stop the backend first: stop /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop && sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart && sudo /etc/init.d/mythbackend start

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: Not lost just a really long few minutes

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: Hahaha, okay :)

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iamlindoro_:

I guess it *is* all relative

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meshe:

last step is to allow remote users to access the database: GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@'%' IDENTIFIED BY "mythtv";

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meshe:

do that in mysql -u root

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iamlindoro_:

For all I know you're IRC'ing whilst slingshotting around the sun at relativistic speed

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iamlindoro_:

Totally possible ;)

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meshe:

mysql -u root -p if you set a password

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meshe:

*if you set a root password on mysql

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meshe:

after that your slave backend should be able to connect

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dashs:

meshe: mysql root password unknown (mythbuntu install)

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meshe:

mysql -u root didn't work?

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dashs:

have not tries yet

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meshe:

it doesn't set a password by default for the mysql root account, you have to set it yourself

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meshe:

one question, is your master backend on a public IP or is it on a NAT IP?

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dashs:

definitely 'open kimono'

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meshe:

hmmm?

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dashs:

LAN (192.168.1.*)

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iamlindoro_:

I think I've seen that video

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meshe:

cool, then the above grant will be safe

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dashs:

OK, looks ok

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meshe:

cool

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dashs:

meshe: getting access denied (host name isn't correct, I'll check it out)

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dashs:

meshe: this from remote pc

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meshe:

did you run the grant line i pasted above in the mysql client?

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dashs:

yes, do I need another restart of mysql?

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meshe:

shoudln't

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dashs:

hmmmm

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meshe:

paste the error?

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meshe:

shoudln't need to do this either, but try: FLUSH PRIVILEGES;

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dashs:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'chico.local' (using password: NO)

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meshe:

in the mysql client

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meshe:

ahh, the password isn't set on the slave

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meshe:

the password is mythtv

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meshe:

mysql mythconverg -u mythtv -pmythtv

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dashs:

get same error w/ passwd

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meshe:

can you paste again?

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dashs:

fell behind, hold on

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dashs:

the slave is not running mysql

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meshe:

shouldn't be the same error message when you give it a password

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meshe:

slave doesn't need to be running mysql

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meshe:

all the stuff we just did will allow it to connect to mysql on the master

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meshe:

mysql mythconverg -u mythtv -pmythtv -h <master host>

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dashs:

as I thought, but you said "password isnt set on slave"

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dashs:

ahh

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meshe:

(using password: NO) means that you weren't passing a password

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dashs:

Now there.

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dashs:

thanks muchly.

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meshe:

very welcome

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dashs:

Next: how to sched mythcommflag on the slave.

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dashs:

Do i need to run whole backend on slave?

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meshe:

that i don't know

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dashs:

I'll try some stuff...thanks again

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meshe:

i know the mysql access stuff, but I haven't worked with slaves

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iamlindoro_:

it being a slave implies you're already running the backend

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iamlindoro_:

If you're not running the backend, it's not a SBE

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iamlindoro_:

That said, a non-backend can commflag using the mythjobqueue application, which is sort of like a stripped down backend just for jobs.

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RDV_Linux3:

iamlindoro: I would like to get your input on TV series genre's. I can have ttvdb return the genre for a TV series but they do not match the default ones in myth (e.g. 'Science Fiction Film' vs 'Science-Fiction'). Would it be better to try to convert what thetvdb.com has or add these new genres?

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dashs:

iamlindoro: mythjobqueue does run (under mythtv) on the 'remote' pc, says it is connected to db but also times out a local mysql connect.

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dashs:

iamlindoro: how to point master backend to the remote?

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dashs:

backend setup somewhere...

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iamlindoro_:

dashs: You don't point master backends at remote ones, it's the other way around

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iamlindoro_:

dashs: If the slave/jobqueue is set up properly, the master backend will see them as they connect

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux3: I wouldn't worry too much about them, they don't need to match Myth's

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RDV_Linux3:

At least thetvdb.com only allows a specific selection set of genres per language. No free form write in by users.

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RDV_Linux3:

I will go with adding genre's that do not already exist for my local myth db. I will also add genre(s) as a new episode meta data key for ttvdb. It will be a comma delimited string like Cast or writers.

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gbee:

heh – email to the dev list explaining that mobile livetv is good because it lets you watch major breaking news items as they happen ....

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gbee:

daftest reason I've heard yet – if they are genuinely major news items at least 3 things will be true a) In the first few hours they'll get all the facts wrong b) They'll be repeating that news for at least the next 24 hours c) Does it really matter that you heard it live unless that news includes some warning of immediate danger to your person?

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kormoc:

Yet alone, d) How can you tune in to watch it live unless you already know bout it?

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gbee:

plus you'd have to be watching the news live to actually know there was an incident in the first place

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gbee:

heh, yup

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dashs:

iamlindoro: trying to set up mythjobqueue alone on a system without X-server. Possible?

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AndyCap:

and if you're somewhere else, you're probably concerned about the local news

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AndyCap:

not the news@home

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gbee:

aye

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kormoc:

I donno... if I'm on vacation, I'd love to know about zombie attacks at home so I can not land in the middle of a zombie zone...

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AndyCap:

kormoc: you don't bring your zombie weapons on vacation?

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justinh:

mornin

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kormoc:

Nah, typically I find them laying around enough that I don't need to carry them around

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kormoc:

easier with the new security measures too

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AndyCap:

and that's another thing, why are they not screening for zombies

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dashs:

kormoc: ref Tom Petty (Zombie Zoo)

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iamlindoro_:

dashs: Probably possible (I just run backends myself)

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: Not to mention the total impossibility of getting a cell signal in a real disaster

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: I lied in Boston on 9/11 and you couldn't get a signal for almost 12 hours

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iamlindoro_:

lived

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kormoc:

doesn't mythjobqueue use qt and hance require x installed?

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gbee:

I was nowhere near a TV at the time of 9/11, although later that day I saw the footage along with 30 other people huddled around the only TV we only watch 10 minutes – it was another week before I was back home (and they were still repeating the same footage back to back on the 24 hour news channels)

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kormoc:

yeah, I was in small town pa and it was killed for at least a few hours

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justinh:

heh. cell networks are never really geared up for that much utilisation – plus the authorities have the power to turn them off anyway

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gbee:

in many ways I was grateful that I was doing field work that week, by the time I was back a little sanity had returned (well some)

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dashs:

iamlindoro: not clear how recordings are accessed by the remote backend (path names, etc)

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iamlindoro_:

Boston (from which the attacks originated) was creepily vacant that day

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iamlindoro_:

dashs: Remote backends/jobqueue streams the recordings

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iamlindoro_:

s/streams/stream/

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dashs:

ahh,

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dashs:

so nfs not necessary

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iamlindoro_:

for recordings, no.

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justinh:

lucky for me I work with a conspiracy theorist, so I get regular refresher courses on what 'really' happened that day

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iamlindoro_:

super

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iamlindoro_:

those people make me quite angry

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justinh:

I keep an open mind about it. The US govt. isn't about that kind of stuff. Never has been

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justinh:

s/about/above

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justinh:

wouldn't put it past our lot either :)

[17:32:25]

justinh:

but hey.. whatever you believe.. if it's on the interwebs it must be true. FACT

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iamlindoro_:

I think I need to not have this conversation

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iamlindoro_:

And would only say that when you have a proponderance of physical evidence that group of bad guys "A" did it, and all of group of bad guys "A" acknowledges having done it, that it leaves little room for creative interpretation

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gbee:

wish it were that simple – over here every time there is a terrorist attack half a dozen different groups swear that they did it, same the world over, everyone wants to claim responsibility because it benefits their cause

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iamlindoro_:

That's why god made physical evidence

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gbee:

a claim of responsibility for a terrorist attack needs to be taken with a pinch of salt – IRA and other groups over here took to informing newspapers of their plans 30 minutes before the explosions (usually not the details, just that an attack was imminent) precisely so that no-one else could take credit

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gbee:

but then again the IRA was a clearly defined body with a known structure and leadership, as opposed to the nebulous organisation that we call Al Qaeda which has become a catch all term for a huge number of entirely independent groups/individuals

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gbee:

umm, this is pretty OT and a great way to start heated arguments .... I'll shut up now

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iamlindoro_:

We all should, back to teevee :)

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jams:

is qt4.5 OK for trunk ?

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iamlindoro_:

yep(ish)

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iamlindoro_:

Myth opens behind all other windows with it, but other than that annoyance, it works ok

[17:55:07]

jams:

thanks

[17:55:12]

iamlindoro_:

Sure :)

[17:55:21]

Sulx:

iamlindoro_: never noticed that...maybe because X starts only mythfrontend ;)

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gbee:

opens in it's own window here, what I most notice is that it's not taking focus which is mildly annoying

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iamlindoro_:

Not much to be gained from running 4.5 at the moment, but nothing really lost either

[18:01:38]

iamlindoro_:

Wonder if Paulh has taken a look at nsplugin support yet

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olesalscheider:

is it normal that mythtv scales a 4:3 video recording to fit a complete 5:4 17/19" tft?

[18:02:56]

olesalscheider:

i have observed this behaviour on 5 different pcs running different versions of mythtv and different distributions

[18:02:56]

Dagmar:

Myth doesn't do that unless you tell it to

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sid3windr:

5:4 o_O

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olesalscheider:

it's a clean install

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olesalscheider:

and a clean database

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iamlindoro_:

Where in the world is 5:4 a real aspect ration?

[18:03:46]

iamlindoro_:

ratio, that is

[18:04:07]

iamlindoro_:

ah, monitors

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iamlindoro_:

icky

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sid3windr:

hm yeah indeed I guess, 1280x1024 :/

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dashs:

iamlindoro: got db error at jobq backend : column 'recdir' cannot be null

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sid3windr:

long live 1280x960

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dashs:

iamlindoro: appears mythcommflag is running, tho

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iamlindoro_:

dashs: As I mentioned, I don't use mythjobqueue-- but sounds like you have mismatched versions of things

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olesalscheider:

sid3windr: it's not an option to run the monitor on a non-native resolution since it is not only used for watching tv

[18:07:00]

sid3windr:

yeah, I'm blaming the monitor, not you ;)

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olesalscheider:

do you have any idea how to make mythtv using the right aspect ratio? the debug output states that mythtv recognizes the aspect ratio and resolution correctly but it distorts the image nevertheless

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gbee:

I've never seen mythtv incorrectly stretching video to the wrong aspect – unless the aspect ratio of the monitor is being incorrectly forced – that said I've not owned a 5:4 aspect monitor since the days of CRTs

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gbee:

look for the monitor aspect ratio setting, can't remember where it is in 0.21

[18:12:39]

justinh:

appearance IIRC

[18:12:46]

justinh:

or maybe tv playback settings

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gbee:

and I'm not sure 5:4 is offered as an option anyway

[18:12:56]

justinh:

one way to find out

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: You can't say it's my patch when you take it and make it all good/correct, ya know. ;) Thanks for the fix.

[18:13:06]

olesalscheider:

no, it's not

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gbee:

which ought to be fixed – guess hardly anyone uses 5:4 aspect ratios :)

[18:13:42]

olesalscheider:

i've tried to insert 1.25 in the database but that does not change anything – entering any other values makes it even worse

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justinh:

there we go. utils/setup > setup > tv settings > playback > page 2. Video aspect override. Default setting is OFF where it should obey the aspect ratio of X

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gbee:

justinh: I was thinking of the Xinerama one

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justinh:

although you may have enabled 'use separate modes for video playback' in Appearance

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justinh:

which would mess all that up

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olesalscheider:

it's of and starting mythfrontend with -v playback tells me that mythfrontend recognizes the aspect ratio and dimensions of my tft correctly

[18:15:44]

gbee:

only time that I've seen Myth use the wrong aspect is when using xinerama/twinview – which is a limitation of those modes and that's why we have a setting explicitly to override

[18:15:44]

meshe:

there's also an aspect ratio set in recording profiles

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iamlindoro_:

meshe: IIRC that only sets the aspect marked in the container

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olesalscheider:

at the moment i do not have any manual aspect ratio override activated and I'm not using Xinerama

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meshe:

iamlindoro_: but it does affect how myth will play them bac

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meshe:

*back

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gbee:

but that would only affect the recording from a capture device – legal options for that would be 16:9 and 4:3

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iamlindoro_:

meshe: AFAICT it wouldn't in the way he's seeing, though

[18:18:12]

olesalscheider:

i noticed that first mythbackend says the following:

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olesalscheider:

2009-03–23 19:17:02.657 Display Rect left: 0, top: 0, width: 1280, height: 1024, aspect: 1.33333

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olesalscheider:

but some lines later: 2009-03–23 19:17:02.934 Display Rect left: 0, top: 0, width: 1280, height: 1024, aspect: 1.24917

[18:19:15]

olesalscheider:

and between these two lines: 2009-03–23 19:17:02.683 VideoOutputXv: Pixel dimensions: Screen 1280x1024, window 1280x1024

[18:19:15]

olesalscheider:

2009-03–23 19:17:02.684 VideoOutputXv: Estimated display dimensions: 376x301 mm Aspect: 1.24917

[18:19:15]

olesalscheider:

2009-03–23 19:17:02.684 VideoOutputXv: Estimated window dimensions: 376x301 mm Aspect: 1.24917

[18:20:43]

olesalscheider:

but it shouldn't matter that mythfrontend reports an aspect ratio in the first turn if it changes to 1.25, should it?

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jams:

olesalscheider- use pastebin for mutli line pastes

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olesalscheider:

when I had a look at libs/libmythtv/videooutwindow.cpp and videoout_xv.cpp I noticed that there are several "snap" functions but all of them give debug output and shouldn't get activated for an aspect ratio of 1.25

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Dagmar:

Listen very clearly: MythTV does *not* stretch video unless you tell it to.

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Dagmar:

s/clearly/carefully/;

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iamlindoro_:

olesalscheider: I am not terribly versed in this particular part of it, but I know some people, especially with exotic aspect ratios, sometimes need to use the displaysize settings in xorg.conf to get correct aspect ratio to work right-- not sure if that will help here, but may be worth a shot

[18:27:05]

gbee:

perfectly willing to accept that there is a bug unless anyone else using that particular aspect ratio can say that it doesn't do the same for them

[18:27:13]

Anduin:

iamlindoro_: Yeah, duplicate code is bad, my solution is a little icky but I didn't care enough.

[18:27:50]

iamlindoro_:

Anduin: Haha, no, I meant it's better than mine, if you go giving me credit for smart solutions people will start expecting me to provide them ;)

[18:28:01]

Anduin:

I already do!

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iamlindoro_:

god help you

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Anduin:

I like to give credit, it really is the very least I can do.

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: that tends to apply when the screen aspect ratio doesn't actually match the desired aspect – e.g. a PAL tv needs to stretch 4:3 material to 5:3 (or whatever it actually is) because of the non-square pixel aspect ratios

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: Well it's appreciated, but you deserve the credit on that one :)

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olesalscheider:

iamlindoro_: I already tried that but it does neither change xrandr's output (which is clearly right) nor mythtv's behaviour

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Dagmar:

I'd like to see a product link that shows the display is actually 5:4

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justinh:

I still haven't got to the bottom of xrandr doing weird stuff on my frontend

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: Ah, okay

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gbee:

heh, turns out PAL is 5:4 ... knew it was somewhere in that neighbourhood – there you actually want 4:3 stretched to 5:4 but you still need to configure X to do exactly that

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justinh:

I could fix it if I could somehow force X to the right aspect. Seems DISPLAYSIZE is being ignored. And before some smart person suggests using a wide mode, there are none supported. Aaaand custom modelines no work on tv out either. bah

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Dagmar:

DisplaySize isn't generally ignored. Paste your xorg.conf

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Dagmar:

You're not using all-caps to suggest you were setting it as an environment variable or something, are you?

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justinh:

bugger, not logged in through screen

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iamlindoro_:

anykey is the secret justinh

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justinh:

?

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iamlindoro_:

Leaving and entering at the same time, both theming and patching myth.... CASE CLOSED!

[18:35:20]

olesalscheider:

Dagmar: it's a samsung syncmaster 970p – but i can't find official specs...

[18:35:25]

justinh:

I can't be accused of either of the latter anymore

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justinh:

I refuse to be, actually

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anykey_:

huh

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djbello:

Hi, everybody. Newbie to MythTV has issues with mythfilldatabase and xmltv

[18:36:20]

Dagmar:

olesalscheider: Dude, the display isn't 5:4. STop trying to force it to 1.25 aspect ratio.

[18:36:28]

iamlindoro_:

Clearly we've entered "no sense of humor hour" in #mythtv-users

[18:37:00]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: hey if it's funny I'll laugh

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** iamlindoro_ sighs **

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Dagmar:

Look carefully at the picture: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SyncMaster-970P . . . p/B000B7VB3C

[18:37:25]

Dagmar:

If the thing is a 5:4 aspect ratio, I'm Barack Obamas love child.

[18:37:42]

tmwsiy2012:

So what is the preferred hauppauge card these days? I noticed they discontinued the 350

[18:37:56]

Dagmar:

I'll add to this the following: Never manually tinker with the database.

[18:38:04]

djbello:

I'm using mc2xml to generate xmltv.xml file and the run mythfilldatabase --update --file 1 xmltv.xml. I get MySQL errors that the field "stars" got truncated

[18:38:09]

djbello:

Anybody seen this issue?

[18:38:17]

Dagmar:

tmwsiy2012: Then you would buy a PVR-150, or perhaps look at the wiki where all their models are carefully explained and enumerated

[18:38:24]

justinh:

the pvr350 hasn't been a preferred card for a _long_ time, since CPUs of > 1GHz became available

[18:38:35]

olesalscheider:

Dagmar: well, it has 1280x1024 pixels and 376mm x 301mm dimensions (verified) – isn't that 5:4?

[18:38:38]

Dagmar:

NO.

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justinh:

also since VGA card manufacturers cleaned up the quality of their tv outputs

[18:38:53]

Dagmar:

You seriously can't be bothered to get a ruler out and measure the thing?

[18:39:07]

justinh:

also since svideo & composite were deprecated in favour of DVI & HDMI

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iamlindoro_:

djbello: We don't/can't provide support for grabber which violate terms of service-- you really ought to sign up for Schedules Direct

[18:39:15]

Dagmar:

The aspect ratio X and Myth care about is the _actual_ aspect ratio of the screen.

[18:39:30]

Dagmar:

It's not the relation of the number of pixels horizontal and vertical.

[18:39:41]

Dagmar:

Pixels are almost never square

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djbello:

That's it? That's support?

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iamlindoro_:

djbello: Sorry?

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GreyFoxx:

uhhhh... what ?

[18:40:11]

meshe:

Dagmar: there are a number of sites showing it as 5:4 even though samsung's site says nothing about it: http://www.google.com/search?q=samsung+syncma . . . nt=firefox-a

[18:40:12]

Dagmar:

djbello: Want your money back?

[18:40:47]

djbello:

If grabbers aren't supported, why is it then that all non-US sources are xmltv grabbers?

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olesalscheider:

Dagmar: 375mm x 300mm

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justinh:

aha! command=/usr/bin/X -br -audit 0 -dpi 100 in gdm.conf. gotcha you little bugger!

[18:41:41]

Dagmar:

meshe: Never trust the summaries. Look! Here's a page from *your* search that was hit #4 or something and says outright 4:3 http://www.afterdawn.com/hardware/product_det . . . cmaster_970p

[18:41:55]

iamlindoro_:

djbello: Nobody said grabber's aren't supported, but scrapers are not-- and as Myth is primarily hosted/developed/used in north america, it is the general project philosophy that those parts pertaining to north american will follow the general rules/laws/terms of service there

[18:42:03]

meshe:

heh

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justinh:

so now X can start & can probably be fooled into being 16:9 in the 4:3 mode I use.

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djbello:

Ok. That's just not true given the fact that there are so MANY different grabbers for all over the world

[18:42:50]

iamlindoro_:

Seriously, Schedules Direct is worth every penny, and is not-for-profit

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djbello:

America isn't the only country this is being used in

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dashs:

Is the auto commflag db var 'SchedOpenEnd'?

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iamlindoro_:

djbello: The project is North America based, primarily, including the project lead and many of the contributors, devs. It's just a fact of life that the project will operate generally under those auspices-- your not liking/agreeing won't make it any less true

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djbello:

iamlindoro: that may be. But I really want to get to the bottom of this issue

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justinh:

djbello: the US is the home of mythtv though, and it's also the most litigious country in the world

[18:44:16]

meshe:

djbello: you are coming from the US, so why not use Schedules Direct?

[18:44:21]

iamlindoro_:

djbello: So seek help from whomever wrote your scraper-- nobody is passing judgement on you, but you won't be getting help for it here.

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iamlindoro_:

djbello: The optimal solution really is to use SD, however.

[18:44:39]

Dagmar:

olesalscheider: You are just *lying* about having measured the display

[18:44:42]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: now this I find funny. people wanting to do the limbo to avoid the $20 per annum

[18:44:43]

Dagmar:

Welcome to the ignore list.

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tmwsiy2012:

So taking into account the experience of the channel can someone suggest a good dual tuner card to get started with?

[18:44:46]

djbello:

So what if I move back to Germany (where I was born) and start using mythtv there? I'm left to my own devices?

[18:45:12]

iamlindoro_:

djbello: Well, I'd likely direct you to #mythtv-de to get german-specific support

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iamlindoro_:

I hope you're not laboring under the impression that you're going to get this to change-- SD is the one and only acceptable listings source for the US outside of EIT, and th only one not likely to bring holy hell down on the devs. You got a very nice piece of software for nothing, you could show enough courtesy to respect channel rules

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meshe:

SD works damn well for canada too, it even got listings for the small local cableco I was using

[18:48:49]

iamlindoro_:

meshe: Yeah, that "US" fell through my usual s/US/North America/ regex :)

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olesalscheider:

Dagmar: I'm not lying – have a look at http://stuff.salscheider-online.de/1.jpg and http://stuff.salscheider-online.de/2.jpg

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djbello:

I give up. You win, I loose...

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dashs:

I need to know the name of the db bool that controls auto commercial flagging (mongo overscan prevents me seeing the flag).

[18:51:00]

iamlindoro_:

What a douche

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iamlindoro_:

I was even extra polite

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olesalscheider:

Dagmar: sorry, 1 is just uploading

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wagnerrp:

dashs: go into the frontend setup, tv setup wizard

[18:51:44]

wagnerrp:

fix your overscan

[18:51:56]

djbello:

iamlindoro: could please tell me again, what was the german support channel?

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olesalscheider:

so, can we agree that it is 37,5cmx30cm?

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GreyFoxx:

djbello: #mythtv-de I think

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olesalscheider:

and 37,5 / 30 = 1,25

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meshe:

Display area 337.92mm (H) x 270.336mm (V)

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meshe:

olesalscheider: here's your user manual: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/ . . . 0B-02Eng.pdf

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tmwsiy2012:

Does anyone have some time to answer some very basic questions about the state of this project? I am willing to paypal some $$ for the time

[18:57:31]

GreyFoxx:

the state of what project? MythTV? Or your person setup project ?

[18:57:32]

wagnerrp:

tmwsiy2012: dont ask to ask... just ask

[18:57:45]

olesalscheider:

and meshe: you looked at 770p, not 790p – they are both in the same manual

[18:58:14]

tmwsiy2012:

I am not asking to ask. I am asking for someone to actually take some time

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tmwsiy2012:

I am talking about myth

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iamlindoro_:

tmwsiy2012: Nobody can volunteer to answer your questions without knowing what they are-- so just ask them and see how it goes

[18:58:47]

GreyFoxx:

Ask away, we'll answer as we can :)

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wagnerrp:

ask your question, if someone wants to answer, they will

[18:58:58]

wagnerrp:

if not, then you try again later

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iamlindoro_:

You may get surly responses, but they'll be *free* surly responses ;)

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meshe:

olesalscheider: sorry, you're right: Display area 376.32 mm (H) x 301.056 mm (V)

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tmwsiy2012:

haha yeah I guess I am wanting to poay for courtesy :P

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olesalscheider:

yes – it's just the value i have measured (have a look at the photos), that is reported by xrandr and by mythtv

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iamlindoro_:

Just ask, tmwsiy2012... it'll be fine-- if it starts getting too heated for you we can revisit the for-pay ;)

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olesalscheider:

so there isn't any issue with my display and it's really 5:4

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deeemac:

having some issues with high pitched voices, in recorded and live tv, it needs to be set to 32000 rate, wondering if maybe I'm missing that setting somewhere, is there anywhere else to set it other than in the capture cards page, and tv settings / recording profile page?

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wagnerrp:

why must it be set to 32000?

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deeemac:

wagnerrp: thats what the card supports, if I set it to anything other the video speeds up and it sounds like chipmunks

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dashs:

wagnerrp: have no idea how to clean up overscan with frontend settings.

[19:03:18]

wagnerrp:

sounds like a framegrabber

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tmwsiy2012:

I am trying to get a myth setup going in my home... I have a spare 1 ghz 1GB Ram machine that can be used for a dedicated back end if its powerful enough to capture 2 atsc signals and stream 1–2 to front end. I do not yet have a tuner card but before i buy I want to get some idea about if I have enough juice in that machine to be a backend.

[19:03:40]

wagnerrp:

dashs: in the frontend settings, tv settings, there is a item that has 'wizard' in the name

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wagnerrp:

i dont quite remember what its called

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iamlindoro_:

"Screen Wizards"

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wagnerrp:

you open it, you set the corners to the two corners of your screen, and it will subsequently auto-scale everything to exactly fill your screen

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iamlindoro_:

tmwsiy2012: That system will be adequate to do the capture/streaming (assuming adequate network bandwidth), but will lag on commercial flagging and transcoding

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wagnerrp:

presuming your screeen isnt slightly rotated or something

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dashs:

wagnerrp: saw that on install but could not see anything to align.

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iamlindoro_:

tmwsiy2012: ATSC (and indeed all digital capture) is practically 0 processor utilization, as you're just tuning the channel and dumping to disk

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wagnerrp:

dashs: use the arrow keys to move the top left arrow

[19:05:17]

wagnerrp:

if you cannot see the top left arrow, move it right and down until you do

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iamlindoro_:

tmwsiy2012: So you need the ability to write 4–6 MB to disk per second (easy) and 40ish Mbit or so on the network (easy)

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wagnerrp:

repeat with bottom right

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tmwsiy2012:

iamlindoro: thanks for the response... how much of a lag on commercail flagging would there be? Is this process run once after the show is recorded?

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wagnerrp:

tmwsiy2012: im surprised you have a 1GHz machine with a motherboard capable of handling 1GB or memory

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deeemac:

wagnerrp: i think it is a frame grabber

[19:07:02]

wagnerrp:

most of the P3 and K6 boards ive seen were limited to 384 or 512MB

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iamlindoro_:

tmwsiy2012: It can be set to run concurrent with recording, or after the fact, and I'd be guessing on what the commflagging speed would be on a 1 Ghz machine with ATSC... slowish.

[19:07:49]

wagnerrp:

ive got one with 2GB currently installed, but that was a dual socket server board

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iamlindoro_:

tmwsiy2012: So if you're talking about watching everything the next day, no problem-- if you're talking about watching it while or right after the recording, commflagging may be done

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iamlindoro_:

er may not be

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tmwsiy2012:

iamlindoro: thanks gain: so what would be the recommended p[rocessor and memory for a backend to do what I have specified?

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olesalscheider:

i've done a complete backup from my database, cleared the hole database, and did nothing more than scan for channels and try the frontend – same problem again, so it cannot be settings related or there have to be wrong default settings

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tmwsiy2012:

wagnerrp: I am pretty sure its a GB its an old Asus board with a Athlon XP chip in it

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iamlindoro_:

tmwsiy2012: well, what you've got is fine, outside of realtime commflagging-- The RAM is fine, but to get nice commflagging and transcoding performance I'd recommend at least a low end Core 2 Duo

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olesalscheider:

this problem occurs with 0.21 or a recent 0.22 svn snapshot on gentoo as well as on ubuntu

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tmwsiy2012:

iamlindoro: where does the transcodiung come into play? Does it have to transcode on the fly under normal circumstances?

[19:11:58]

iamlindoro_:

tmwsiy2012: No transcoding is done by default-- it's just if you choose to do so to remove commercials/archive your recordings

[19:11:59]

meshe:

tmwsiy2012: i don't do any transcoding, that's a choice you can make

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dashs:

wagnerrp: I'm sorry, I can't find any "Screen Wizards" entry, all I have is the Nvidia utility.

[19:12:24]

wagnerrp:

the AthXPs started at 1.33GHz (i believe)

[19:12:45]

wagnerrp:

i thought the lowest was a 1500+ at that speed

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tmwsiy2012:

wagnerrp: I will have to look when I get home I thought thoese wew the specs though

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wagnerrp:

dashs: are you in mythfrontend?

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dashs:

I was

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wagnerrp:

well thats where the screen setup wizard is

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wagnerrp:

in the settings

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tmwsiy2012:

ok great I also have an appletv that I would like to use as a front-end. I have heard that this can be problematic. Is this true?

[19:14:51]

wagnerrp:

depends on the content

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tmwsiy2012:

720p

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wagnerrp:

that is meaningless

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tmwsiy2012:

I know it wont do h.264 or anything like that

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wagnerrp:

codec? bitrate?

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iamlindoro_:

Plus, if you intend to watch NBC, CW, or CBS, it'll be 1080i

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tmwsiy2012:

whatever I create with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

you have no control over what resolution ATSC comes at

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iamlindoro_:

So assume MPEG-2 at up to 20 Mbit

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wagnerrp:

and it will typically be 15–17mbps

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wagnerrp:

thats asking quite a bit out of a 1GHz dothan derivative

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iamlindoro_:

allegedly the ATV will handle most ATSC pretty well (no experience with it myself) but I forsee some issues with 1080i + any deinterlacing

[19:17:10]

iamlindoro_:

So the short answer is "It'll work for some stuff, and maybe not for some stuff"

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dashs:

wagnerrp: is the 'selected arrow' in the top,left — right, bottom, or where cannot see it

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wagnerrp:

the arrow is in the top left, if you hit enter it will be in the bottom right

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iamlindoro_:

and that's the best answer you'll get, as nobody can predict what local cable and OTA engineering will be like, it's all just a generalization

[19:17:44]

wagnerrp:

the coordinates will be on screen

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dashs:

wagnerrp: all I see are the size and offset numbers changing.

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iamlindoro_:

dashs: So persist until you see the arrow appear

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dashs:

Iv'e been going right, then down is the ok?

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wagnerrp:

if youre pressing buttons and the numbers arent changing, youre going in the wrong direction

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tmwsiy2012:

I will be recording everything off-air

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tmwsiy2012:

I also heard in an interview about XBMC that was doing something with XBMC that did what the front end does but with less overhead. Does anyone know anything about that?

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tmwsiy2012:

http://xbmc.org/wiki/?title=MythTV

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wagnerrp:

xbmc has some sort of frontend plugin

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dashs:

Wow, I'm 25 pix into it now

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wagnerrp:

you have to ask the xbmc people about that

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wagnerrp:

it has nothing to do with mythtv

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iamlindoro_:

tmwsiy2012: They have a set of python scripts to access myth, but we provide no support for it here

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tmwsiy2012:

k that is what I wanted to know... Thanks guys!

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dashs:

Wow, 42 pix is the place.

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iamlindoro_:

np

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp will get your your total

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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tmwsiy2012:

:P

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meshe:

$5 per question asked, but $0.30/word in the answerd, plus a $50 flag rate and $120/hr

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meshe:

;)

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wagnerrp:

dashs: understand that only affects mythtv

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wagnerrp:

any external programs you run, through external players in mythvideo, or games in mythgame, will still be overscanned

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wagnerrp:

whoops! i mouse over an episode of 'the big bang theory' in mythweb, and it gives me the data for 'how i met your mother'

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, lookit that, channel icons in the Mythweb recorded programs now

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wagnerrp:

i guess thats right, the repeat episode i was forcing to record is now a double episode of the other show

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iamlindoro_:

Hahaha, there goes sphery talking about completing patches again

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tmwsiy2012:

alright one last question and then I am really out :)

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tmwsiy2012:

Is the hvr-1600 considered to be a quality product?

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tmwsiy2012:

Did nto realize that everythign had gone pci-E in this space too :)

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iamlindoro_:

tmwsiy2012: The HVR-1600 had some early driver problems which have pretty much been resolved. Recent feedback has been primarily positive and yes, it does work with Myth

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tmwsiy2012:

awesome....

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iamlindoro_:

tmwsiy2012: We have one curmudgeon who likes to badmouth it and try to make people buy whatever his pet tuner is, but far more who have had smooth sailing, especially lately.

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dashs:

wagnerrp: MUCH better.

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meshe:

HDHR support isn't available in 0.21-fixes is it?

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iamlindoro_:

meshe: HDHR yes, HD-PVR no

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wagnerrp:

the HDHR went in somewhere around 0.20

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meshe:

that's another option for ATSC recording then tmwsiy2012, HD Homerun

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tmwsiy2012:

cool I will check it out

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olesalscheider:

I'm not sure but I might have found a mistake in the sourcecode concerning the aspect ratio

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olesalscheider:

have a look at libs/libmythtv/videooutwindow.cpp

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wagnerrp:

is this trunk or fixes?

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olesalscheider:

line 282 in void VideoOutWindow::ApplyLetterboxing(void)

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olesalscheider:

trunk

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tmwsiy2012:

interesting.... so you could hook that up directly to a spare ethernet port with a crossover cable to keep the bandwisth off your regular network.

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olesalscheider:

there it says: bool aspects_match = abs(aspect_diff / disp_aspect) <= 0.1f;

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wagnerrp:

tmwsiy2012: you could.... of course for ATSC you will never see more than ~38mbps

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meshe:

tmwsiy2012: yup, that would probably work

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olesalscheider:

aspect_diff = 1.25–1.333333=0,083333

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olesalscheider:

0,083333/1.25=0,0666664

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olesalscheider:

that is clearly smaller than 0.1f

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dashs:

Is there a way to change status so that a recording has its commflag run done again?

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wagnerrp:

'0.1f' being?

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olesalscheider:

so aspects_match is true

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olesalscheider:

wagnerrp: bool aspects_match = abs(aspect_diff / disp_aspect) <= 0.1f;

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wagnerrp:

dashs: play the recording, hit 'm', find the commflagging option

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wagnerrp:

or, you can queue up another run through mythweb

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wagnerrp:

olesalscheider: what is '0.1f'?

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dashs:

wagnerrp: thanx

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olesalscheider:

wagnerrp: it compares the value to 0.1f

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olesalscheider:

wagnerrp: in libs/mythtv/videooutwindow.cpp on line 282

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wagnerrp:

what is the value of '0.1f'

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olesalscheider:

i think it's a value the developer has chosen arbitrarily

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olesalscheider:

0.1f is 0.1 – the f means floating point if that's your question

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wagnerrp:

that was my question, ive never see that notation in C/C++

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wagnerrp:

usually the period is sufficient to denote floating point to the compiler

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olesalscheider:

i think that this may cause mythtv to not apply letterboxing and so the image is streched

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tmwsiy2012:

meshe: I am glad you said that... the more i look at this HD homerun the more I am liking it

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wagnerrp:

tmwsiy2012: the only fault of the HDHR are the price and lack of analog support

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meshe:

i would buy the HDHR for OTA HD support

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mchou:

umm, why?

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mchou:

that's be a total waste

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olesalscheider:

otherwise it would execute the contents of block else if (nomatch_without_fill) on line 323

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meshe:

would it?

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wagnerrp:

depends on where you get the majority of your content

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** tmwsiy2012 is listening :) **

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mchou:

meshe: why pay $200 when you can do the same for $25?

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wagnerrp:

if you mainly watch the major networks, OTA HD is perfectly fine

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meshe:

what can you get for $25 that will do OTA HD?

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mchou:

astc/qam tuner card

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wagnerrp:

where can you get a $25 dual tuner?

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mchou:

wagnerrp: you dont. you get two tuners for $50. Do the math

[19:50:15]

meshe:

what tuner card? and where?

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mchou:

pinnacle 800i

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wagnerrp:

mchou: so that means a $25 card cant do the work of a $200 box?

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wagnerrp:

where can you get this magically 800i for $25?

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wagnerrp:

cheapest i find outside of fleabay is $45

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mchou:

plenty of people have gotten pinnacles for $25 SHIPPED

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wagnerrp:

cheapest i see retail is $63

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meshe:

anyway, i'll be going with STB's and firewire as my cable provider offers 99% of their channels clear over firewire

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meshe:

as money allows

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mchou:

you ask virtually anyone here who has pinnacle 800i on this channel, I guarantee you at least 75% got them for $25

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gbee:

wouldn't suprise me if the prices have gone up following demand after the digital switch-over – UK prices have fluctuated pretty radically over the last couple of years

[19:55:25]

wagnerrp:

perhaps back when they were still being produced

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gbee:

so I'll give mchou the benefit of the doubt

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wagnerrp:

the only time ive ever seen the 800i sold for that little is when woot had them for refurbs

[19:56:19]

wagnerrp:

now granted, they sold them several times, at a couple thousand units each

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mchou:

pinnacles are still being produced

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wagnerrp:

they sold off their tuner line to hauppauge some months back

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mchou:

just cause Hauppaugue took that part over doesnt mean they are no longer produced

[19:57:58]

mchou:

In fact pinnacle is Hauppauge's premium line

[19:58:17]

mchou:

as hauppauges old crap is failbus

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wagnerrp:

so they sell their premium line at well under the price of their 'bargain' line? that sure makes sense

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kormoc:

ugh

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kormoc:

I hate folks who don't know what they're asking about...

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mchou:

wagnerrp: http://www.pctvsystems.com/About/Press/Pressr . . . Default.aspx

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JEDIDIAH__:

If you are doing OTA, grabbing the cheapest thing you can find might not be the brightest idea. You might want to make sure whatever you are going to buy has a good tuner.

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tmwsiy2012:

JEDIDIAH: What would you suggest?

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JEDIDIAH__:

My setup is highly distributed, so I'm partial to the HDHomeRun. I can put the HDHR box in the best location for tuning the antenna.

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JEDIDIAH__:

OTOH, if you can put a monster antenna on the outside it may make less difference.

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tmwsiy2012:

I am planning on getting an external DB-4 antenna

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tmwsiy2012:

nothing I am trying to get is over 30 miles away

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tmwsiy2012:

http://www.antennasdirect.com/DB4_HDTV_antenna.html

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mchou:

30 miles?

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mchou:

you wont need that beefy an antenna

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JEDIDIAH__:

another thing I like about the HDHR is that it doesn't require a direct connection to any of my boxes ( PCI or USB )

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tmwsiy2012:

yes I do like the versatility of it

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mchou:

channel master has a single vesion of that that goes easily 70 miles

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JEDIDIAH__:

it has a better tuner than my $3000 HDTV.

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wagnerrp:

mchou: thats a great press release... if you can find an 800i for sale under $60 retail, you win

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wagnerrp:

retail means no ebay stores, and no amazon marketplace type things, where you buy from other users

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olesalscheider:

wagnerrp: i changed 0.1f to a smaler value and now it's workling as expected

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tmwsiy2012:

mchou: Is this the one you speak of? http://www.channelmasterintl.com/terr/METROtenna.html

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wagnerrp:

olesalscheider: so put up a ticket and patch on trac

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olesalscheider:

i'll do

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tmwsiy2012:

Can you use that Sage HD Theater with myth? Or better yet does anyone have more precise specs on that box to see what it would cost to build one yourself?

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iamlindoro_:

no, you can't, and building one yourself would be useless (as it's not a general purpose computer)

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kormoc:

haha

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kormoc:

Apple

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iamlindoro_:

It's a custom media player designed around a Sigma chip

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kormoc:

's new iphone v3 http streaming supports mpeg2! Yay!

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wagnerrp:

its a hardware decoder

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: neato!

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kormoc:

sad part, they want you to split up the video into 10 second chunks, so it can 'seek'

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wagnerrp:

if you want something similar for myth, wait until the ION devices start coming out

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wagnerrp:

it will be about the same form factor

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: hmm, could probably be managed on-the-fly

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: (assuming TS)

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kormoc:

Aye, dirt simple actually, and yeah, ts

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kormoc:

'instant on' video streaming coming soon to a mythweb install near you

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** iamlindoro_ quotes kormoc on that **

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kormoc:

Hehe, by all means :)

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wagnerrp:

does the iphone eve get that kind of throughput over wifi?

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iamlindoro_:

I have a few hundred in Apple store GCs from Christmas, will likely see what the new hardware in June looks like

[20:40:09]

iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: It's 802.11g so under decent conditions, yeah

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, Aye, it gets enough, it's not a large screen so with that in mind, you have a fairly low upper bound on quality

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kormoc:

iamlindoro_if you're shooting for a ipod, it's not gonna help, it's only new iphones I believe, but I could be quite wrong

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wagnerrp:

im just wonder if you would have to transcode it

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: I'm particularly interested to see if they adopt Tegra (or something tegra-like) for the new hardware

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wagnerrp:

i mean you certainly would if you want to pump it over the network

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: NAw, iPhone

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, Aye, but mpeg2 transcoding is dirt cheap

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wagnerrp:

s/network/internet/

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kormoc:

Terga?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I was streaming tv over the wifi link on seattle metro buses just fine

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kormoc:

I did enjoy that with the kirkland commute. Just sit there on the bus and watch tv

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: nVidia's mobile chipset w/ full VDPAU-like capabilities, amazing battery life, and HDMI out

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: did you transcode that? or have a massive internet connection?

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kormoc:

ahh!

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olesalscheider:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6383

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7R90A7ZqLU

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, trasncoded to mpeg4, lowish quality, the kicker was the bus's connection, 64kbps or so

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: watch that video and tell me it doesn't scream "iPhone!" to you

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kormoc:

that said, I do have a massive inet connection, 20/5, so....

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kormoc:

iamlindoro_ahh, yeah, that's what isaac has been working on iirc, it's quite slick

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: Nice-- yeah, it's slick indeed

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meshe:

kormoc: mpeg2 streaming to the iphone? sweeet, looking forward to it

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meshe:

where did you hear that?

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wolf_:

Hello I am trying to disable gnome-screensaver whenever myth launches, I need to do this because is suffer from a bug that makes gnome-screensaver lag the pc for a moment everytime a lirc button is pressed. Does anyone know how to do this? It should also be reenabled when myth is closed

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kormoc:

meshe, in the 'HTTP Live Streaming' apple developer document :)

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kormoc:

meshe, it's part of the v3 os update

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iamlindoro_:

wolf_: Just update your copy of myth, it's fixed in both trunk and .21-fixes

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meshe:

again, nice :)

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bulle:

trun trunk, the elephant has a huge trunk

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wolf_:

iamlindoro_, Im using Mythbuntu in ubuntu, if an update was released I believe it would notify me in the package manager right? I mean for the mythbuntu package

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iamlindoro_:

wolf_: Not unless you have their weekly fixes repository enabled

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iamlindoro_:

It was fixed *ages* ago

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meshe:

what version of mythbuntu wolf_ ?

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bulle:

wolf_: mythbuntu doesnt push updates that often out in their normal repos

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wolf_:

iamlindoro_, do you know how to add that? meshe let me check

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iamlindoro_:

There's a page with instructions on their web site

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meshe:

it may be the x locking UseEvents issue if it's 8.10

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iamlindoro_:

Sounds like he's specifically describing the gnome-screensaver bug fixed a few months ago

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wolf_:

iamlindoro_, that is the one yes

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meshe:

then it's probably 8.04 or earlier

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iamlindoro_:

So anyway, any build from the past month or two will have the fix

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deeemac:

did someone delete all the linuxtv.org wiki entries, or was it never there before?

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iamlindoro_:

hrm? The linuxtv.org wiki is working fine here.

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wolf_:

iamlindoro_, k going to give that a try thanks

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deeemac:

iamlindoro_: http://linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Main_Page all those links work for you?

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iamlindoro_:

That's not the wiki

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

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deeemac:

iamlindoro_oh heh, thanks!

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iamlindoro_:

The link you posted is the legacy v4l wiki, they've been merged for a few months

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iamlindoro_:

no problem

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bulle:

i run mythbuntu 8.04 and i have had no issues with the gnome screensaver

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iamlindoro_:

bulle: Guess the issue must not exist then, huh?

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bulle:

iamlindoro_: not in 8.04 atleast

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iamlindoro_:

bulle: Heh, *you* not seeing a bug doesn't mean it doesn't exist

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iamlindoro_:

so yes, it exists, and yes, it's been fixed

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bulle:

sure, it exists, and sure it has been fixed, but apparently in 8.04

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iamlindoro_:

bulle: Your version on mythbuntu doesn't mean anything

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iamlindoro_:

only revision of myth matters

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iamlindoro_:

and even if you were on an realier revision, if you were one of the unaffected (as not everyone is affected by every bug) you would never know the bug was there.

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iamlindoro_:

s/realier/earlier/

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bulle:

well, if i use mythbuntu 8.04 with default repositories , just as wolf_ , we would have the same version wouldnt we ?

[21:02:49]

bulle:

and, i suffered from that bug on the earlier mythbuntu version

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** iamlindoro_ sighs **

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iamlindoro_:

not everyone is affected by every bug, dude

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bulle:

but i was, and upgrading fixed it, so, chances are, that 8.04 does include the fix, or ?

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iamlindoro_:

8.04 (april 2008) isn't *nearly* new enough to have the fix

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iamlindoro_:

as it was fixed 60ish days ago

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bulle:

neat, so it was the magic fairies then =)

[21:04:32]

iamlindoro_:

so either you were affected by a different bug, you upgraded to a weekly build, etc.

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wolf_:

awesome that seems to have fixedd it

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bulle:

wolf_: what did fix it ?

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wolf_:

bulle, adding the updates repository

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bulle:

hmmm, i might have added the updates repository then =)

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wolf_:

www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds+mythbuntu+update&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&am p;gl=us&client=firefox-a

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meshe:

why all the arguing then?

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bulle:

meshe: no idea

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bulle:

wolf_: hmm, that url got truncated

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bulle:

or, its depending on some sort of session

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: that hurts (because it's so true)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Not as bad as it hurts those of us waiting on you ;)

[21:46:42]

sphery:

I may have to just complete some patches /just/ to spite you.

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iamlindoro_:

spite me

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iamlindoro_:

for the love of god, spite me

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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meshe:

lol

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** kormoc wonders if a kick counts as a spite... **

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sphery:

heh

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** sphery is just happy to be on the 'net... **

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sphery:

I had to get creative...

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iamlindoro_:

sphery's too nice to kick me

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iamlindoro_:

he'll just novel-write me to death

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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iamlindoro_:

heheh

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** kormoc wonders if the guy he's arguing with on -dev actually read the http streaming docs for the iphone **

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: But, but... he signed an Apple NDA, he *must* know what he's doing!

[21:50:12]

kormoc:

Hehe

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sphery:

My new laptop has a wifi card that's not well supported, yet (too new). I might be able to get it to work with newer kernels (though my compiler won't compile anything >2.6.28) and a completely software upgrade (which is scheduled for after this week's travel). So, I brought along a Linksys WRT54GL with OpenWRT on it and set it up in client mode wireless with routing and I'm online.

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kormoc:

ha, nice

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sphery:

kormoc: yeah, he doesn't seem to get that you're not telling him he's stuck with the proof of concept approach in MW, now, but that you're telling him to feel free to work on making the MW streaming better...

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iamlindoro_:

well, as long as you didn't have to go out of your way

[21:52:09]

iamlindoro_:

The "right" solution appears to be the one people are most loathe to work on

[21:52:21]

iamlindoro_:

ie the "universal transcode and stream" support in-backend

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: here! here!

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gbee:

ugh, Stallman's started a new rant

[21:53:15]

sphery:

(or is that "hear! hear!"?)

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kormoc:

Yeah, I would *love* to be able to get the backend to stream anything I ask it to in every format, but until that's done, the mythweb solution isn't horrible and works fairly well with the mpeg2 ts support

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kormoc:

"Here! Hear!" "Hear! Here!"?

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: definitely not knocking the existing support,

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gbee:

not been following the thread, is this guy proposing working on the backend realtime transcode/streaming?

[21:54:33]

iamlindoro_:

kormoc: I recognize that there are entirely too few real libav* experts involved in the project, let alone those with encyclopedic knowledge of the backend

[21:55:16]

iamlindoro_:

gbee: No, he's suggesting working on a hack that's iPhone specific AFAICT

[21:55:34]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: I've always wondered why it's apparently so difficult to have mythtranscode spew out any number of formats given that's essentially what libav* does so well

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: ah

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kormoc:

that is entirely un-needed

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: Every time I start to look at mythtranscode my head hurts

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gbee:

maybe that's not the best approach, maybe mythtranscode should be dumped in favour of a new approach – with the best bits cannibalised e.g. lossless mpeg2

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gbee:

but that's pretty pointless speculation on my part, I can't remember the last time I looked at the existing code nor am I the libav* expert

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: That sounds like a really good idea, though

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iamlindoro_:

ie spawn a backend process like preview generation to do transcode

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kormoc:

Yeah

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iamlindoro_:

obviously, only when requested

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kormoc:

the real trick would be the container stream stuff, RTP/etc are kinda complex

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iamlindoro_:

superdump: You're the *real* ffmpeg expert, when are you going to teach mythbackend to transcode? ;)

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kormoc:

I think xris would be so very happy to have nuvexport be 10 lines of code that just though to the backend and dump to a file :)

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iamlindoro_:

hehe

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superdump:

lol

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superdump:

what needs doing?

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iamlindoro_:

besides the "all of it" part? :)

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janneg:

the main problem is a sane way of choosing and setting all output parameters,codecs,files

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janneg:

otherwise it's simple

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gbee:

best place to start then is to get the objectives written down somewhere

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sphery:

and, of course, talk to Captain_Murdoch to see where his "multiple formats" patch is at (potentially with "sneak preview" :)

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gbee:

hmm, just remembered something I was going to look at when porting the EPG to mythui, wonder if Paul would be interested instead

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kormoc:

Really, the end goal is to say, I have file x, please give it to me as format y with options z,t,i,m, and n

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anykey_:

Can someone provide an example on how to integrate the patch from #4501 in an OSD theme?

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: I think XML or similar transcode profiles might be interesting (allowing one to drop in, say, a profile to allow their uPnP device to transcode and stream on the fly)

[22:13:22]

kshots:

I'm trying to implement a user-job to utilize handbrake to create an x264 recording from an mpeg-2 recording for playback on my ps3... has anyone had any success with this?

[22:13:31]

kshots:

(1) I'm trying to use the uPnP mode on the PS3

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kshots:

(2) Using the "PS3" preset in handbrake

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kshots:

(3) attempting to strip out the commercials _before_ handing it off to handbrake

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gbee:

kormoc: yeah, but that's the obvious stuff – for someone who doesn't know how mythtranscode currently works with preset profiles from the database or the desire to support static and realtime streaming etc Details of those would probably affect the overall implementation

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kshots:

(4) thus far... even with the "PS3" preset, the PS3 just reports it as "corrupted data"

[22:14:50]

kormoc:

yeah... true...

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kshots:

(this was with a manual run of handbrake and updating the db basename and filesize entries in the recorded table)

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kormoc:

kshots, you can't really do live streaming with h264/x264/mpeg4. It requires a header with bit specific offsets which are generated after the complete encode is done. You'll need to pre-encode everything first

[22:16:18]

kshots:

... yet it plays ok on my desktop with the mythtv frontend – isn't that live streaming?

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kormoc:

that's not mpeg4 is it?

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kshots:

no, it's h264

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kormoc:

you're not watching it while it's encoding are you?

[22:17:05]

kshots:

no

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kshots:

not in either case

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kormoc:

okay then the output just isn't ps3 compatable for some reason then

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kormoc:

(I was saying you can't watch it while it's encoding, that's typically what 'live' streaming means)

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kshots:

ok... there's nothing else in the db that would need to be updated beyond basename and filesize?

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kormoc:

shouldn't

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kormoc:

other then the seektable perhaps

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gbee:

doesn't have to be too specific, unless you have specific ideas – but a description of how it would be used, any possible API features for mythbackend, something that we can point people at when they express interest in working on something related – it's not much good that every time someone starts working on it we say "That's great, but it wasn't what we had in mind"

[22:19:27]

kormoc:

gbee, I guess saying 'man ffmpeg in xml format' isn't specific enough? :)

[22:19:31]

kshots:

hmm... is there a way to update the seektable on a specific recording rather than globally? Last time I tried that, it was working for a full week

[22:20:00]

kormoc:

kshots, there is, mythtranscode has a option to do so, that said it won't affect the ps3 iirc

[22:20:31]

kshots:

k... I'll have to experiment with the PS3. I'll start by getting UPNP out of the picture with a thumbdrive

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gbee:

mythcommflag --rebuild --file {filename}

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gbee:

or mythcommflag --rebuild --chanid {chanid} --starttime {starttime}

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anykey_:

does someone know what those pipes(|) mean in the mythtv osd theme in the <value> tags?

[22:21:38]

kshots:

or... as a user-job, "mythcommflag --rebuild --file /mnt/recordings/%FILE%"

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gbee:

mythcommflag --rebuild --video {nonrecordingvideo} (for videos which were exported or not recorded by myth)

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kshots:

... or should I strip out the path?

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kshots:

they were recorded by myth

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gbee:

kshots: iirc leave out the path, with storage groups the path for recordings could be anywhere

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gbee:

just not sure if mythtranscode was made aware of storage groups for --file

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iamlindoro_:

%DIR%

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kormoc:

speaking of which... I need to update mythweb to handle storage groups for mythvideo....

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anykey_:

hm, <value>%NOTUNER|| – %%TITLE% (%STARTTIME% %LENMINS%)%TUNER| – %</value> brings up %NOTUNER|| – Lost (22:00 – 22:55)%TUNER :/

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iamlindoro_:

and coverart... oh, and do something with fanart/screenshots while you're at it

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

one of these nights you'll have to tell me how it all works and I'll be glad to fix it all up! :)

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iamlindoro_:

sure (and I've got a bit to do yet on those, want to add support for the image SGs to be on a different host)

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kshots:

. /usr/bin/HandBrakeCLI -i /mnt/recordings/%FILE% -o /mnt/recordings/%FILE%.tmp --preset="PS3" && /bin/mv /mnt/recordings/%FILE%.tmp /mnt/recordings/%FILE% && /usr/bin/mythcommflag --rebuild --file %FILE%

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kshots:

does that look reasonable?

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kshots:

the file extension would be wrong

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kshots:

post-conversion, it should be .mp4... it would usually end up as .mpg in this case... anyone know if that would affect anything?

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justinh:

anykey_: any joy with that autowidth stuff? or do you still find (as I do) my lack of motivation disturbing?

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anykey_:

justinh: gave up on that, too frustrating

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Kernel:

hello all. i am still having issues with mythtv's osd. whenever i hit a button and the osd comes up the picture skips. if i press and hold the button the picture will freeze for a second or two then jump forward. ive tried setting different osd's. ive tried using qt and opengl to paint the osd. i have useevents enabled in xorg. i have disabled compositing in xorg as well. im using the latest driver from nvidia. but the problem reamins.

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Kernel:

i really have no idea what to try now and its getting really annoying having this issue. and its everytime i hit a button...not just when the osd is being drawn. like if i hit the volume button it skips and the osd comes on screen. if i then the volume button again while the osd is still up...it will skip again. so i dont think its the actually drawing of the osd that is causing this.

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kormoc:

could it be an issue with the button presses rather then the osd? (meaning does it skip with the keyboard)

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sphery:

Kernel: disable OSD fade (in the playback profile(s) in your playback profile group--2nd page, IIRC)

[22:39:43]

Kernel:

sphery, tried that too. made no difference.

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Kernel:

kormoc, hmm. let me check real quick. ive only been using the remote

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sphery:

Kernel: also, make sure you're using 0.21-fixes r19222 or greater

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sphery:

Kernel: and, if using an nvidia card, make sure you enable UseEvents in the X config

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Kernel:

interesting. when i use the keyboard it does not do it

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Kernel:

but as soon as i hit a button on the remote...it does it

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sphery:

Kernel: then /definitely/ check that you're on r19222 or higher

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sphery:

mythbackend --version

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Kernel:

MythTV Version : 18722

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Kernel:

MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-21-fixes

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Kernel:

Library API : 0.21.20080304–1

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sphery:

time to upgrade

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Kernel:

hmmm

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sphery:

need 19222 or higher (you're at 18722)

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kshots:

ok... just verified that the h264 with the PS3 preset for handbrake does not work on the PS3 via thumbdrive either... apparently not a myth-related problem

[22:42:29]

sphery:

ubuntu? they have a newer version in the repos

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Kernel:

ive been using this same set up though and its worked fine. i just switched from 32bit to 64bit

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kshots:

(or a upnp problem either)

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Kernel:

sphery, yes mythbuntu

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sphery:

Kernel: well, I will give you a 99% guarantee that upgrading will fix it...

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Kernel:

well ubuntu with mythbuntu installed

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Kernel:

hmmm

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Kernel:

i just dont get why it would work fine on 32bit but now 64

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sphery:

your system config changed a bit

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sphery:

to prove that it will work, you can do: sudo mv /usr/bin/gnome-screensaver-command /usr/bin/gnome-screensaver-command.temporary_rename

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Kernel:

and you dont think it something to do with lirc? because just using the keyboard doesnt do it...its only when the remote i sued

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sphery:

if that fixes it, rename the program back the way it was supposed to be and then upgrade

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Kernel:

ok.

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Kernel:

let me see if that solved it

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sphery:

BTW, if you get an error on that mv (as I'm not 100% certain where that program lives), it won't fix it...

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sphery:

but the idea is to make that command disappear

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Kernel:

ok. that *did* fix the skipping

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Kernel:

so theres some conflicts with the screen saver and myth?

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sphery:

wow... it's almost like you wandered into the channel right when the guy who wrote the patch that's in r19222 happened to be reading

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Kernel:

lol

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sphery:

Kernel: there was a bug in myth (that was there forever) that caused gnome-screensaver-command to be called on every remote button press (not keyboard press) whether or not gnome-screensaver was running

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gbee:

the one downside to packages is that fixes don't get out there fast enough and even when they do, it usually requires the end user to take special steps – e.g. enabling an updates repo

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Kernel:

well. i have been racking my head last 3 days with this

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sphery:

Kernel: the bug just happened to become noticeable when GNOME did something to make gnome-screensaver-command take forever to return

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** gbee suggests a mythtv self-update facility **

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Kernel:

i see

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sphery:

so, their making the program slow helped us find a bug :)

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Kernel:

ah

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Kernel:

how stable is the development mythtv?

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sphery:

and, while fixing the bug, we actually improved the code so ours is even less resource-intensive even when it's working :)

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Kernel:

if im gonna compile myself i may want to go latest and greatest....if its stable enough to use

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sphery:

I'd /highly/ recommend going with 0.21-fixes

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Kernel:

ok.

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sphery:

I have -fixes on my 5 production systems (3 of mine, 2 of a friends) and have a single box with a dev environment

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sphery:

and I /never/ miss recordings or lose stuff or ... regardless of what happens in trunk

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Kernel:

ah

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sphery:

(Though trunk is relatively stable, running trunk means /you/ take on full responsibility for deciding when to upgrade (and the consequences thereof) and you should /really/ read every single message to the -dev and -commits lists to make sure you don't waste developer time by reporting bugs that aren't bugs or asking about new features that were explained on list or ...)

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sphery:

I actually read all those messages and it takes a lot of my time. Still, though, I run -fixes on production.

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kshots:

argh... just found out why my h264 doesn't work on the PS3...

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sphery:

kshots: profile?

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kshots:

It needs to be "quicktime badged"... it needs a quicktime header

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kshots:

if I were to open it up in "quicktime pro" and save it, it would work

[22:53:21]

kshots:

http://forum.videohelp.com/topic317072.html#1638895

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sphery:

heh, kind of like how the XBox 360 only plays h.264 in quicktime or MS containers

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Kernel:

ah. ok. well. maby that be my mission today is to get that version installed

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sphery:

and I thought only MS did that kind of thing :)

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kshots:

that's just plain rude :(

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Kernel:

thanks for the info sphery ....i was *really* getting frustrated

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sphery:

Kernel: enjoy... let me know (feel free to leave a message here) if you still have issues after upgrade

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Kernel:

ok.

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sphery:

there is actually a different issue that affects some people (so even after r19222, they see problems), but I'm nearly 100% positive that's because they're not using UseEvents

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sphery:

Oh, and I should probably admit that someone else found the bug, and I wrote the patch using gbee's idea... So, really, they're the ones that did the hard work.

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Kernel:

ah

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kshots:

ok, I spoke too soon... apparently later in that same thread there's lots of people with negative results on the quicktime header and no positive verifications

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** kshots slaps himself for spreading rumors **

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sphery:

Sorry... I already /.'ed it.

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sphery:

(joking)

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kormoc:

kshots, it might be just easier to use a app called 'playon' to do your ps3 streaming

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sphery:

sounds like a subatomic particle

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bocaJWho:

Kormoc – can you tell me more about this "playon" app?

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gbee:

huh? was it my idea to rate limit it? don't particularly remember but even assuming that it was, I can't take credit for something so obvious

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kshots:

it looks like a hulu plugin

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kormoc:

bocaJWho, google can

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kormoc:

kshots, I know it does other stuff like netflix and the like, and should be able to stream media files directly I thought?

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bocaJWho:

heh, as we speak.

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kshots:

Oh... on another note, the PS3 _does_ play back the h.264 from my HD-PVR

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kshots:

... complete with out-of-sync audio

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sphery:

gbee: yep... Though you should get credit, because I didn't think of it (I originally just recommended another conditional verifying that gnome screensaver was running)

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kshots:

kormoc: I'll take a look... I just googled it and saw that's what it was talking about

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kshots:

looking at their front page, it doesn't look like it does anything beyond hulu and similar

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kormoc:

kshots, aww that's sad, although they have a plug-in arch that means it might be simple enough to write a mythtv plugin for it

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kshots:

why would it work any better than the current upnp stuff for that?

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kormoc:

if the current upnp works why the hoops to get h264?

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kshots:

the current upnp works for file types the PS3 knows (like mpeg2)

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kshots:

another alternative would be something from mythtranscode that the PS3 understands at MPEG-2... that I have yet to see

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kshots:

... but native MPEG-2 recordings work fine (as long as mythtranscode has not touched them)

[23:09:06]

kshots:

The only (2) reasons I'm fiddling with h-264 is because (a) someone suggested it because it had a "PS3" preset, and (b) my dedicated backend could use a more efficient storage format

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kormoc:

ahh

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sphery:

I thought the >1TB HDD made "efficient storage formats" a losing proposition

[23:09:57]

kshots:

it's at 3 TB

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kshots:

... and running low on storage

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sphery:

Yeah, but I mean that when a 1.5TB is $129 (was $99 for a while there), it's probably more expensive to transcode to a "more efficient" storage format than to buy new HDD's

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bocaJWho:

speaking of PS3, a number of you have heard me talking about ways to edit programs to remove commercials but leave it in a state that works for the PS3. One solution was to edit with mythtranscode then use ffmpeg -i infile -vcodec copy -acodec copy -o outfile.ts – That worked OK, but there's an audio sync issue that crops up that doesn't exist before edits. Any thoughts on how to fix this?

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sphery:

I'm at 6.5TB now and have >700recordings--all in HDTV MPEG-2.

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sphery:

(and 2.5TB free)

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kshots:

basically, there's 2 levels: (1) stuff I'd like to keep (possibly forever), which should be as efficient as possible, and (2) stuff I'd like to keep for a while, which can be any format

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sphery:

OK, for permanent archival, I'll admit it's at least more reasonable...

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sphery:

But you should really measure how much transcoding is costing you... You may be surprised.

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kshots:

why? It's a dedicated backend... it has no other jobs

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sphery:

kshots: I have a Sempron 3300+ (so before the really good power saving modes) and the difference between letting it run mostly idle and maxing it out (with BOINK/SETI@home) is $4/mo and $8/mo... I.e. costs 2x as much to run it when max'ed out).

[23:14:57]

kshots:

bocaJWho: good to know someone else is looking into it... unfortunately, I don't know much about the subatomic particles of video formats

[23:15:32]

kshots:

sphery: Ah, you mean power management-wise

[23:15:42]

sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

pegging modern processors is expensive

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kshots:

in that case, you may well have a point... I can probably switch over to a Via C7 or Intel Atom if that were important, but encoding would literally take forever at that point

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sphery:

heh, have a K in my BOINC

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kshots:

atm, it's sitting on an old Athlon64 X2 3600+

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iamlindoro__:

I hate it when you BOINC in the channel

[23:17:23]

iamlindoro__:

gross

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sphery:

yeah, I've been on a measurement kick as I had 3 PSU's failing and was replacing them with 80 PLUS PSU's and I'm finding out how much they're saving me ($1.50/mo on my Myth backends and $0.80/mo on my other computers--which have significantly less hardware (capture cards and HDD's)).

[23:18:00]

bocaJWho:

hey kshot – I'm curious, when you record SD digital television, when you watch it on your PS3, does it output in AC3 or just 2 channel LPCM?

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iamlindoro__:

of course, 63% of all of sphery's statistics are made up on the spot

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sphery:

iamlindoro__: made up on the Kill-a-Watt!

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kshots:

bocaJWho – The little SD digital I've seen on the PS3 (and PC, for that matter) have always just been 2-channel

[23:19:12]

sphery:

(My having only one Kill-a-Watt is why it's taking so long to replace these PSU's.)

[23:19:18]

bocaJWho:

sphery – don't forget, when you're living in a house with 5 other people, the power bill gets split 6 ways >:) (but hey, I figure when the guy next door is running a space heater in his room, I can do whatever).

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sphery:

heh...

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bocaJWho:

kshot: well, here's the thing. All my audio goes through an amp, and when I watch shows on the PC, the little dolby light always goes on, and not so with the PS3 (unless I'm watching an HD show), so I'm trying to figure out what's going on.

[23:21:17]

kshots:

I've got mine going to an amp too on my PC... HD stuff shows the 5 channels, SD stuff drops down to 2

[23:21:29]

kshots:

It may be just the channels I'm watching

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kshots:

I don't watch very much digital SD

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bocaJWho:

right, SD is 2 channels with me too, but read as dolby (AC3) coming out of my PC and just standard 48k audio out of my PS3

[23:21:58]

kshots:

most of my digital offerings are HD only... the SD stuff is encrypted

[23:22:08]

kshots:

oh

[23:22:22]

kshots:

that I haven't looked at... I can look for the dolby logo, then

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bocaJWho:

Kshots: I would appreciate that.

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kshots:

crap... recently, my audio has been dropped by my kernel after a day or two... with the only way of getting it back is to reboot into vista, then reboot into linux. I'll try it on the PS3 for now

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bocaJWho:

kshots: cool. Also as a control, do you know if the HD stuff is all 5.1 goodness?

[23:27:08]

bocaJWho:

fromt the PS3

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kshots:

yes, I do

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kshots:

just tested... 2 channels from SD digital, 5.1 from HD digital

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kshots:

on the PS3

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kshots:

in the case of 2-channel, no dolby

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bocaJWho:

does your amp have a dolby light that comes on for the 5.1 stuff and not for the SD stuff?

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bocaJWho:

sorry

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kshots:

yes

[23:29:05]

kshots:

actually, it's dolby text that scrolls across when it's activated

[23:29:29]

kshots:

sorry, my IRC client doesn't support that

[23:29:35]

kshots:

bocaJWho wants to DCC CHAT with you. Unfortunately Mibbit doesn't support that yet.

[23:29:48]

bocaJWho:

darn

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bocaJWho:

ah well, I get lots of spam anyways. When you test the computer one, please email – mr.bocaj AT gmail

[23:31:17]

kshots:

will do

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bocaJWho:

thanks

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unimaginative:

my backend keeps "forgetting" it's schedule information..http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s310/fuxxociety/mythweb.png

[23:36:07]

unimaginative:

how would I diagnoze why the schedule info keeps getting deleted?

[23:36:23]

cesman:

unimaginative: not by posting PNGs...

[23:36:28]

cesman:

unimaginative: take a look at the logs

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xris:

unimaginative: accidentally left mythweb accessible to the world?

[23:36:44]

cesman:

unimaginative: I'd start w/ checking the db for error...

[23:36:48]

unimaginative:

hmm

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unimaginative:

not sure if it's an actual error

[23:37:21]

unimaginative:

the information as of 3/23 00:00 there is no longer data

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unimaginative:

I wonder if mythweb is not being ran automatically

[23:38:48]

unimaginative:

cesman, I dont know any other way of checking the db short of browsing the db list in mythweb > database

[23:38:59]

unimaginative:

cesman, but that says all the tables are OK

[23:39:59]

unimaginative:

I -DO- have this log message:

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unimaginative:

http://rafb.net/p/IDcIB229.html

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cesman:

unimaginative: that last post asks the question...

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cesman:

line 3....

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unimaginative:

if mythfilldatabase is running

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unimaginative:

and the answer is: I dont' know?

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unimaginative:

I'm digging through system logfiles and havent found anything regarding mythfilldatabase yet

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cesman:

simply run mythfilldatabase

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cesman:

sent it to run automatically

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achandra:

pchdtv woes — have setup as dvb, did a scan, and no picture. its a pchdtv5500 "attempting" to work with a SA8300HD.

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unimaginative:

cesman, I'll do that, but, the error message I posted insinuates that it is currently set to run automatically?

[23:46:23]

achandra:

any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated getting it setup

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unimaginative:

ahh, that's a 'suggested' time

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** cesman wouldn't call that and error message **

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cesman:

based on that I see, I'd saw it ran almost 14 days ago and that was that...

[23:47:58]

cesman:

if the SA8300HD is a set top box...

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** cesman wonders why you'd scan **

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achandra:

cesman, basically did a scan following the limited google site help that's out there..

[23:48:55]

unimaginative:

the wiki says "Normally mythfilldatabase is run automatically by mythbackend every 24 hours." – I wonder why it's not ran automatically.

[23:49:27]

achandra:

cesman, have the sa8300 as well here..but didnt know if you were responding to me..

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iamlindoro__:

achandra, What he's getting at is you cannot capture the output of a set top box with a digital card

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iamlindoro__:

You can *only* capture those channels which are unencrypted straight from the wall

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cesman:

unimaginative: you'll need to ensure it is set to run automatically and find out why it isn't if it is...

[23:50:34]

cesman:

unimaginative: again, the logs...

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cesman:

unimaginative: how did you install MythTV?

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achandra:

iamlindoro_, so basically no point connecting to the sa8300 at all..correct?

[23:50:59]

iamlindoro__:

correct

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achandra:

iamlindoro_, so that'll produce a limited list..and like no hd channels such as DiscoveryHD or whatever.. correct as well?

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cesman:

achandra: if you are looking to capture HD from a set top box, PVR HD

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iamlindoro__:

achandra, For most people, yes, that's the case. probably local and network channels, and tha'ts about it

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iamlindoro__:

HD-PVR

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cesman:

or you might be lucky and you can scan w/ QAM to see if the channels are unencrypted

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cesman:

iamlindoro__: yeah, that too ;)

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achandra:

cesman, iamlindoro_ sorry for the newb question..what the heck is HD-PVR? — unfamiliar with this...

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kshots:

HD-PVR is the only reasonable answer for that atm... and unfortunately, it has problems atm

[23:52:49]

kshots:

Look up the Hauppauge PVR-1212

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kshots:

(may have massacred the spelling of the vendor)

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achandra:

cesam , scanning with QAM256, or 128 fails through the set-top...you are suggesting doing scan directly connected to wall as well?

[23:53:38]

kshots:

you can't scan through the set-top

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cesman:

achandra: you don't scan via the settop box

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cesman:

achandra: you hook up directly to cable

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kshots:

that box provides (at most) one channel of SD content... you won't get HD through the coax on its output

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achandra:

kshots, im familiar with the old 250 from Hauppage.. ---its been so damn long..had it working with an xbox for my front end..flawlessly..now all this wonderful technology has me learning a bit. :)

[23:54:48]

kshots:

if you want HD, you need an HD-PVR to connect to the component output of your box

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achandra:

cesman, and when you say "directly" thats devoid of the cable box correct? ---just confirming..sorry for re-"hashing" if answered already.

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iamlindoro__:

The HD-PVR works very well, but it's not supported in any stable version of myth

[23:55:28]

iamlindoro__:

achandra, That's correct

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iamlindoro__:

no box

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kshots:

otherwise, you connect directly to the wall (get the box out of the picture) and do QAM256

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iamlindoro__:

straight from the wall

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kshots:

iamlindoro – not working so well here... audio sync issues

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** achandra achandra just had an AHHHH...."epiphany" **

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** cesman thanks iamlindoro__ for responding :) **

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iamlindoro__:

kshots, That's a firmware/STB interaction issue

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iamlindoro__:

kshots, you need to cotnact Hauppauge so that they can improve their firmware when interacting with your STB

[23:56:42]

kshots:

iamlindoro__ ok, but it's not a myth issue, nor is it fixable

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achandra:

i thought the card was f'd up there for a minute...

[23:56:58]

iamlindoro__:

indeed, it is not a myth issue, but it *is* fixable, jsut needs Hauppauge to do it

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achandra:

also any chance of getting it to work in 1080p?

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iamlindoro__:

achandra, What to work in 1080p?

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kshots:

nothing works at 1080p

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kshots:

broadcasts peak out at 1080i

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achandra:

hmmm..maybe im not asking the right question.. which is likely here — the picture doesnt "fill" the entire screen.

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achandra:

iamlindoro_, im probably getting ahead of myself here..let me try the other methodology first.

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Kevin`:

how can I have an nvidia card output both hdmi and composite video

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achandra:

iamlindoro_, so get dvb setup, then a scan...once connected to wall....or do the "get list" function girst?

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iamlindoro__:

achandra, You need to read the myth manual, guessing is really not going to go well

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