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Saturday, March 21st, 2009, 00:05 UTC

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javatexan:

howdy all...got a ui question....I am making some minor adjustments to default theme for the video-ui.xml file.... I would like to get rid of the video_poster, but when I do that it crashes myth when it rereads the .xml file. Can I make it a blank picture or change the order it's drawn where the background prints over it? I have no images so all i get is a book picture with "No Cover Image Found" printed on it ;)

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jadams_:

I'm getting this all through my logs: MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding

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jadams_:

and my recordings say 'this recording is not yet available'

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jadams_:

how can I just clear mythtv out entirely and set it back up quickly?

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jadams_:

I mean, I can set it back up...I just want a 'reset' switch, because from time to time I've had it do funny things (where I have to delete a tuner card and add it back, etc.)

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deeemac:

is there anyway to adjust the input levels to a capture card?

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deeemac:

for the audio

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: On the media settings page 8/8 I think that the following title changes should be made

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RDV_Linux:

"Command to search for movie banners:" should be "Command to search for TV Season banners:". Also "Command to search for movie fanart:" should be "Command to search for TV Show fanart:".

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iamlindoro:

Yes, you're right, cut and paste error. Fixed locally.

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iamlindoro:

thanks

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RDV_Linux:

np. I am working on the ttvdb.py wiki page and noticed the issue.

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iamlindoro:

Yep, you're absolutely right-- there are a lot of lines that I keep looking over and by the time I get to the bottom of the diff I'm usually skimming :)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: did you also contact tmdb?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, gbee known better than I am there, he might be the better candidate-- but no, I did not

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SQlvpapir_:

it takes ~20sec for the firmware to be loaded to my hauppauge card.. is there a way to make the transfer persistant or skip it at boot or do it in the background?

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sphery:

having gbee contact tmdb regarding hooking up with SD is a good idea...

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sphery:

I've only helped them a tiny bit--the creation of a page for a B (or worse) movie. :) So, they wouldn't know me, either.

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iamlindoro:

I agree, just don't want to presume too much about offering someone else's resources :)

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jams:

anybody know where freshmeat moved the WM themes to? themes.freshmeat.net takes you to the normal project listing page.

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jadams_:

jams: http://themes.freshmeat.net/tags/theme no good?

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jams:

nope thats not it

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jams:

thanks anyway, guess it's just another disappointing feature of the new design.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: in that SD would provide a TMDB ID for lookup?

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wagnerrp:

or SD would actually provide TMDB data?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: hoping that SD can provide some financial (or hosting/bandwidth) support for tmdb

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wagnerrp:

oh

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iamlindoro:

idea being that TMDB and TVDB are both struggling financially, and that SD has the resources and ifnrastructure for everyone to benefit

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iamlindoro:

er infrastructure

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wagnerrp:

oh, this was the 'check here to chip in $5 to TMDB' thing?

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iamlindoro:

well, or host a mirror for myth users, or organize creating a "UID to rule them all" that all sites/grabbers could use

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iamlindoro:

or all sorts of stuff

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** iamlindoro elbows sphery and drags him into the dev channel **

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sphery:

wagnerrp: or just the "SD isn't allowed to make a profit and we have this much money left over, so..."

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sphery:

(once they get non-profit status, that is)

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wagnerrp:

ah

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Of course, I have to tell you that I'll be out of town on a business trip all next week (and don't expect to have much, if any, 'net access), so don't expect too much from me on that patch. :)

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iamlindoro:

Hahahah, president of the colonies...

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iamlindoro:

That's a weird one

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sphery:

I'll forward anything I get from Cap'n M--and feel free to finish it up.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I'm useless, don't look at me

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iamlindoro:

Holy giant cylon spider bastard

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purserj:

don't suppose anyones got any decent docs on myth-python?

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wagnerrp:

is myth-python functional?

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sphery:

purserj: don't think there's much out there

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purserj:

sphery: bugger

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purserj:

ah well back to c

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purserj:

++ that is

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wagnerrp:

or do you mean the script bindings?

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sphery:

but, the Python Myth bindings are /very/ preliminary--meaning feel free to modify them and submit patches to make them work like you want :)

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purserj:

looking for a way to build a plugin in python

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sphery:

You can only do /real/ plugins in C++

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sphery:

anything else is more of a script.

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sphery:

MythArchive is an exception--it's a C++ plugin that calls a bunch of Python scripts--but it's not the approach the devs want to take for anything else. It's only that way because the progenitor of MythArchive, MythBurn, was a pure python app, IIRC.

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jams:

mythpython never really took off, a couple of releases and then faded away

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sphery:

(I think it's Python... Pretty sure it's one of those P languages, at least.)

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jams:

yes it's python

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sphery:

I've been using MythTV far too much and coding for it far too little, lately.

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sphery:

And with that, time to watch some MythTV...

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** jams is watching skinwalkers **

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jams:

i can not recommend it

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sphery:

the title is almost enough to make your skin crawl.

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iamlindoro:

MUST WATCH GALACTICA

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iamlindoro:

so much the action

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iamlindoro:

so kick the ass

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sphery:

I still have a whole season (2 halves) to watch and here you all are about to finish it, forever.

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wagnerrp:

i still have four

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sphery:

I envy you, then

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sphery:

I still remember when I had 10 seasons of SG-1 to watch... Those were the days.

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wagnerrp:

i watched sg-1 as it was being aired, for the most part

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sphery:

I purposefully didn't because I wanted a better experience than my local broadcasters could give (as I never had Showtime, I didn't notice it until it was syndicated...). So, I bought all the seasons on DVD and got the full effect.

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wagnerrp:

some station, i think nbc, was re-broadcasting it late at night

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wagnerrp:

while it was still on showtime

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sphery:

yeah, I didn't want all the garbage with weather alerts/breaking news/logos/bugs/ads all over the show.

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wagnerrp:

there is no breaking news at 2am

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iamlindoro:

ABC is airing the one season I don't have archived of LOST at high bitrate, with no logos or watermarks, in the middle of the nigth right now

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wagnerrp:

and they usually dont bother with weather alerts either

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iamlindoro:

it's nice

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sphery:

Plus, it's one of /very/ few shows I actually want to keep around--and stuff that's worth keeping is worth getting the bonus material.

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deeemac:

sphery: I got a different source to test on the box for the audio, just hooked up an ipod to input to the audio jack, and all the bass and deep sounds sound fine, its just the highs that sound all garbled, any ideas?

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deeemac:

like voices

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sphery:

deeemac: sorry, no ideas

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iamlindoro:

framegrabber->trashCan(); is a greatidea

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sphery:

other than, perhaps, trading in that frame garbage--I mean grabber--for a PVR-x50 or whatever

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sphery:

annoying fast-typing iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

obnoxious verbose and articulate sphery

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sphery:

nice words

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sphery:

The problem with having 728 shows recorded: trying to decide what to watch.

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deeemac:

sphery: is there any pvr-x50 with dual inputs?

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iamlindoro:

PVR-500

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sphery:

PVR--ugggg

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wagnerrp:

so technically not a x50...

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iamlindoro:

marharhar

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sphery:

too slow

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deeemac:

I don't need dual tuners, just dual s-video

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iamlindoro:

That's how you get dual S-video ;)

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wagnerrp:

if you get one, make sure you get the daughter card for the second video input

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sphery:

wagnerrp: PVR-x50 works for them all... In the case of the 150, x = 3, in the case of the 250, x=5, for the 350, x=7 and for the 500, x=10 :)

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sphery:

It's really algebra--not a simple substitution

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wagnerrp:

1050?

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iamlindoro:

10*50

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sphery:

yep

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wagnerrp:

bleh

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sphery:

Sorry, spent too much time doing yard work, so my mind has been wandering all day... Sometimes it goes to strange places.

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iamlindoro:

Comcast seems to have cranked the bitrate for this last episode

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iamlindoro:

Got a 7 GB hour for the first half

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wagnerrp:

dont want to risk pissing off the geeks?

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iamlindoro:

guess not :)

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wagnerrp:

is there any command to turn off a monitor on X

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wagnerrp:

like force a DPMS signal right now?

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jams:

xset should be able todo that

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jams:

try xset dpms force off

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wagnerrp:

jams: seems that does it, thanks

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mzb_xps:

J-e-f-f-A: awake yet?

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iamlindoro:

It's 11PM his time, I should hope so :)

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beer:

hello

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beer:

I have an "issue" that I don't think there is a fix for.

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beer:

I have a Vista Remote and would like to change the way the "windows" button and the OK button work when they are in the program guide only

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beer:

the settings I want to find are not in the keybindings

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beer:

currently the windows button is configured to be "enter" and the m for menu and the OK button is pointed to Return

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beer:

I would like to press the OK button in the program guide to select the channel instead of taking me to the recording menu

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beer:

and I would like the windows button to take me to the recording menu instead of selecting teh channel

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beer:

any ideas?

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dagar:

beer: there's an option in the settings so OK selects the channel

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dagar:

and if the program is later than a certian period it takes you to the recording options

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beer:

so it is an actual option and not in the keybindings?

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jamesd__:

beer, is your issue not enough beer or alcoholism?

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beer:

both

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beer:

:)

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sphery:

Use select to change the channel in the program guide: If enabled, the Select key will change the channel while using the program guide during live TV. If disabled, the select key will bring up the recording options screen.

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beer:

@sphery where is that option?

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beer:

n/m

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beer:

I found it... I thought that this was a keybinding issue... I didn't even think to look in the options

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beer:

you guys rock!!!

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sphery:

glad you find out... was still reading code to find it.

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beer:

setup/tv settings/program guide, halfway down first page

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sphery:

Only knew it was in the "Program Guide (2/2)" screen, but didn't know what the menu called that screen

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sphery:

(sometimes the screen titles differ from the title of the menu option, so I was looking in the menu files...)

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beer:

n/m 2nd screen, not the first

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sphery:

close enough... would have gotten me there :)

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beer:

That was the last setting I needed to figure out, now the wife says I can call the cable company to cancel the DVR :)

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beer:

and my new Mythbox can start paying for it's self

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sphery:

cool... so now the STB money goes to the "HDD fund for MythTV" jar

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sphery:

(I'm up to 6.5TB and the backlog of recordings still to watch is ever growing)

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beer:

I did have the "Mythbox" fund, now I need HDD's for my file server

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beer:

btw... Newegg has 1tb WD Green drives for $89

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beer:

I personaly hold out for the WD Blacks, but that is oen hell of a good price

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sphery:

is black or green better?

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sphery:

I thought green was supposed to be

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iamlindoro:

Yay Galactica

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iamlindoro:

That was a good ending

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beer:

black have 5 yr parts/labor and are build better

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iamlindoro:

now they just need to make Lost's ending satisfying

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kormoc:

sphery, green is low power, black is better performance

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beer:

green have no warranty

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sphery:

ahhh

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kormoc:

3 year is none?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: is lost ending or are you looking forward?

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beer:

blue's have 3 year

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iamlindoro:

sphery, next year

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beer:

green's may have 1 year

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sphery:

hmmm... what about Fringe? Think it will be back?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, dunno, don't know how it's performed

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beer:

@sphery I hope so!!!!

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** beer is missing Eureka **

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sphery:

again, I'm left pondering the similarities between WD's line of HDD's and Johnnie Walker's line of Scotches

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beer:

kinda cheesy, but still good

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sphery:

agreed--cheesy, but good

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sphery:

and just got better with the last episode (season finale?)

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kormoc:

beer, http://support.wdc.com/warranty/policy.asp#policy

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sphery:

i.e. we learned something /very/ important in that ep

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kormoc:

beer, WD Caviar Green (WD Caviar GP) EACS, EADS, AACS 3-year 3-year

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beer:

ok, i was wrong, not the first time. I thought that newegg hd them listed for 1yr p/l

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mzb_d800:

hmm, beer and cheese ...

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** mzb_d800 goes hunting **

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iamlindoro:

*sigh*, Now I'm going to miss it

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beer:

hmmm... Newegg has them listed for 99 on the site, but I have an email flyer in my inbox saying they are 89 till 3/26

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iamlindoro:

only after the promo code

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iamlindoro:

EMCLPNL29

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sphery:

iamlindoro: going to miss what?

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iamlindoro:

BSG

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sphery:

ahhh...

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beer:

@iamlindoro I don't see the promo code listed... but then again I seem to be blind tonight

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iamlindoro:

Good thing I helpfully pasted it then :)

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beer:

yup

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beer:

just for an FYI, where did you see it at?

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beer:

i don't see it on the flyer unless it is in big bold print

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sphery:

generally you have to click and it takes you to the website where they list all of the info

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beer:

oh.. maybe that is why I didn't see it :-P

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sphery:

and, yeah, that's how that one works

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sphery:

If you don't click and go to the website, you miss out on 50+% of the deals, too

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beer:

I am going to idle, time to close down for the night

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beer:

thanks for the help again

[03:28:19]

sphery:

good luck with your switch from cable-co DVR

[03:28:56]

kormoc:

So much hardware want, so little time

[03:29:17]

sphery:

yeah, and so much else on which the money is better spent

[03:29:43]

** iamlindoro takes the solar power for all our gadgets thread out behind the shed, carrying he rifle **

[03:30:26]

sphery:

wonder why tv.com is still calling Garret Dillahunt's character "Cromartie"... Shouldn't it be John Henry, now?

[03:30:38]

sphery:

in T:TSCC, that is

[03:32:47]

sphery:

ttvdb.com is calling the episode "Last Voyage of the Jimmy Carter" "Today is the Day Part 2"

[03:35:46]

sphery:

and, speaking of breaking news messing up a TV show... seems that the brush fires are a good reason to switch from a widescreen HDTV show with 5.1ch audio to a letter-boxed and pillar-boxed SDTV show with stereo audio...

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[03:59:06]

sphery:

I guess I need to move there...

[03:59:25]

sphery:

Though I still think getting you to send some of your TV execs this way would be easier.

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wagnerrp:

ugh... played a round of left4dead

[04:21:00]

wagnerrp:

the two NPCs made it to safety

[04:21:11]

wagnerrp:

the two human players got swatted off the building at the end and died

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iamlindoro:

well SciFi HD/Comcast horked that stream pretty good-- sometimes I wonder if random standard nonconformance is a particularly bitchy form of copy protection

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wagnerrp:

?

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iamlindoro:

Horrible PTS breakage combined with misreporting the bitrate for a teensy tiny second as 156,000 Mbit

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iamlindoro:

which regrettably, it was not :)

[04:42:33]

iamlindoro:

So I'm having to use all my tricks because I *will* be archiving the final episode of BSG

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wagnerrp:

a simple remux should repair all of that shouldnt it?

[04:45:08]

iamlindoro:

only if the tools don't choke on it-- which so far, they do

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wagnerrp:

heh

[04:46:15]

iamlindoro:

got it cut with MPEG2Cut2, but the resulting file still needs a remux, as always, and ffmpeg has so far been... troublesome

[04:46:45]

iamlindoro:

And I despise ProjectX but I'll do what I gotta do

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wagnerrp:

last time i used mpeg2cut2 (couple days ago), tsmuxer worked wonders

[04:47:33]

wagnerrp:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=134104

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iamlindoro:

yeah, I know it :)

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mythbox1:

I have learned so much building my mythbox. Mythdora 10.21 is very cool

[05:47:40]

mythbox1:

after all the time I put into building it, I was pretty proud of the result... then it happened

[05:48:02]

mythbox1:

Suddenlink went and encrypted all their freakin channels...

[05:48:22]

mythbox1:

so the crappy service I was paying for just so I could use my new toy becomes useless

[05:48:31]

mythbox1:

sigh...

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mythbox1:

I understand protecting the premium channels, but why go through the trouble of encrypting the basic ones too?

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[05:52:18]

mythbox1:

No matter, their offering of HD in my area was pathetic, got dish for a better price, just too bad I can only use the mythbox for local channels...

[05:52:38]

sphery:

mythbox1: In the US? If so, they have to make the OTA channels available unencrypted (either the analog or the digital version).

[05:53:22]

mythbox1:

yeah. the OTA ones are clear, but when I purchased the service all but the premium channels were clear qam as well.

[05:53:31]

sphery:

You could use the Myth box for DISH channels, too, with an analog encoder (like the Hauppauge PVR-x50 or--when 0.22 is released--the HD-PVR)

[05:53:33]

mythbox1:

then one day.. poof

[05:53:49]

sphery:

Yeah, that's pretty much where they're all going...

[05:54:02]

sphery:

Use/rent our DVR or nothing...

[05:54:03]

mythbox1:

I was looking at that $300 is a little steep.

[05:54:26]

mythbox1:

I own my dvr, built with my hands... I will never again pay to rent one

[05:54:32]

sphery:

yeah, I think you can get it for under $200 if you get it at the right time (possibly as low as $160, IIRC)

[05:54:38]

mythbox1:

even if it means missing out on some shows

[05:54:57]

mythbox1:

At least I have a kick ass media server now.. :/

[05:55:02]

sphery:

But you're better off waiting to deploy it after 0.22 is released.

[05:55:09]

mythbox1:

yep

[05:55:14]

sphery:

(the HD-PVR-based recording, that is)

[05:55:20]

mythbox1:

ik

[05:55:30]

mythbox1:

any idea on when it will be released?

[05:55:44]

sphery:

Looks like it will be a while... Lot of stuff to do, still..

[05:56:00]

mythbox1:

those guys are freakin saints to the HTPC world

[05:56:15]

mythbox1:

If I had the skill i would certanly contribute

[05:56:34]

sphery:

yeah, the devs do a /lot/ of really good work and contribute a /lot/ of time on the project.

[05:57:03]

sphery:

They give us much to appreciate. Too bad they tend to get so much grief over it, though.

[05:57:38]

mythbox1:

who gives grief?

[05:58:10]

meshe:

people who think they deserve something for nothing

[05:58:25]

mythbox1:

true

[05:58:33]

sphery:

Not so much anyone trying to, but people who don't understand tend to make things more difficult than they should be.

[05:58:44]

mythbox1:

i see that alot on the forums

[05:59:02]

sphery:

So, someone reports a bug that's not a bug and the ticket is closed and they get all bent out of shape and send a flurry of responses on the ticket or replies to the lists...

[05:59:15]

mythbox1:

not just noobs either, sometimes ppl just don't read the posts right...

[06:00:00]

sphery:

Yeah, probably common in all open projects... I'm amazed at how much it happens with Openmoko, too... And amazed at how much Openmoko (the company) is putting up with it.

[06:00:03]

mythbox1:

with the xception of some driver issues, mythdora has run flawlessly for me

[06:00:12]

sphery:

great to hear...

[06:00:24]

sphery:

MythDora and MythBuntu are a /wonderful/ thing for the Myth world.

[06:00:27]

mythbox1:

Dennis on that forum was very quick to help

[06:00:30]

mythbox1:

yep

[06:01:04]

mythbox1:

I went from just being a windows weenie to having a comfortable understanding of Fedora with this project.

[06:01:08]

sphery:

It's great how much they help people out--whether they're just starting with Myth or experienced users... Reconfiguring a whole distro to work well with Myth is quite a project for anyone, so it's nice to have distros that have that part done.

[06:01:26]

mythbox1:

amen

[06:01:53]

meshe:

i love mythbuntu, running 3 myth boxes with it

[06:02:05]

sphery:

Now, if only we could get the cable companies to provide some means by which we could use the channels we pay for without the analog run-around...

[06:02:19]

mythbox1:

no kidding... I am still fuming about this

[06:02:34]

sphery:

I went all-OTA because of the encryption issues.

[06:02:40]

sphery:

Love my new "cable bill" :)

[06:02:47]

meshe:

do you get enough channels OTA?

[06:02:52]

mythbox1:

you should not have to go into the "grey" area to get the service you pay for

[06:02:59]

mythbox1:

i do

[06:03:16]

sphery:

I get all the major networks. And, fortunately, there's not much on cable channels I'd actually watch, so I'm happy.

[06:03:17]

mythbox1:

all the major ones: cbs, abc, fox, nbc

[06:03:27]

wagnerrp:

mythbox1: as far as the cable company is concerned, mythtv already is grey area

[06:03:35]

wagnerrp:

its a recording unit not under their control

[06:03:43]

mythbox1:

ewww... why do dog farts stink so bad?!? :X

[06:03:56]

mythbox1:

stupid puppy, blech

[06:03:58]

meshe:

that was random

[06:04:02]

mythbox1:

sorry...

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mythbox1:

i was surprised too..

[06:04:09]

wagnerrp:

for the same reason youre not supposed to sniff your dog's ass

[06:04:13]

mythbox1:

ahh

[06:04:24]

mythbox1:

i knew she was growling for a reason... ;)

[06:05:00]

meshe:

i should have put a time in front of make on myth trunk

[06:05:18]

mythbox1:

wagner: i found the grey area when I called for firewire support

[06:05:36]

mythbox1:

u would think I just asked how to get free service from them..

[06:05:49]

sphery:

So, thinking about it, shows on cable that I actually want to watch (SG-1, Atlantis, BSG, Futurama, ...), I buy on DVD. And, since I'm not paying a cable subscription, I'm actually spending less this way--and enjoying my TV more. (Only problem is the wait for the DVD release...)

[06:06:24]

meshe:

sphery: hehe, i do that too, i usually end up buying the whole series after it's off the air

[06:06:24]

mythbox1:

yep

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mythbox1:

I hear they might bring futurama back

[06:06:50]

sphery:

meshe: that's an even better approach--then you can watch it back to back without the long delay causing you to forget the story line

[06:07:06]

sphery:

mythbox1: yeah, I've /soooooo/ hoping it happens

[06:07:21]

mythbox1:

me too. I bought all the new "movies"

[06:07:31]

sphery:

(have been hoping since they put Futurama on Adult Swim--and my hopes were even higher once Family Guy came back)

[06:07:34]

mythbox1:

last one not so good

[06:07:38]

meshe:

yeah, we love it that way, we started watching boston legal while season 5 was on the air, just waiting for it to hit the stores

[06:07:49]

sphery:

I haven't watched the movies, yet, but I've heard great things about Bender's Game

[06:08:00]

** iamlindoro chuckles at the guy on the users list outputting "HD 480i" (sic) **

[06:08:01]

meshe:

just bought Benders game, it was great

[06:08:10]

mythbox1:

all of them were pretty good, w/x last one

[06:08:16]

sphery:

meshe: BL started out OK, but by the end became kind of annoying

[06:08:28]

meshe:

don't bother with Beast with 1000 backs

[06:08:38]

mythbox1:

genticals..lol

[06:08:47]

sphery:

I have to watch them all just because they're Futurama

[06:08:53]

meshe:

worst of the 4 movies

[06:09:08]

mythbox1:

yuck, you liked wild green yonder?

[06:09:12]

meshe:

i'm a collector, sadly, i'll still buy it

[06:09:27]

meshe:

mythbox1: yeah, beast was the only one i didn't like

[06:09:41]

sphery:

I still remember the tour of Springfield when they showed the cliff... "Lookout mountain, where teenagers go to makeout and geeks go to commit suicide..." (just then the nerd jumps off the cliff yelling, "I can't believe they cancelled Futurama!")

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[06:13:07]

iamlindoro:

Like I said, I *will* be archiving this episode

[06:14:09]

sphery:

nice conversation in dev channel... Sounds like a terms of service violation.

[06:14:26]

mzb_xps:

meshe: lastest update if you're interested: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/LCD/20090320/

[06:14:26]

iamlindoro:

yes

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mzb_xps:

s/latest

[06:18:19]

meshe:

looking good mzb_xps

[06:18:53]

mzb_xps:

thanks

[06:19:12]

meshe:

i just got my desktop all setup with ubuntu and i'm building trunk :)

[06:19:38]

meshe:

(now to learn c++)

[06:19:46]

mzb_xps:

have been working on patches to mythtv + lcdproc so we can have user-defined characters ... getting there

[06:19:55]

mzb_xps:

(c++ _and_ c;)

[06:20:23]

meshe:

i'm ok with C, i've just never had a C++ project to work on

[06:20:39]

mzb_xps:

the idea being that we'll be able to do things like themes and animations

[06:21:00]

mzb_xps:

but looks like I have to go now ... I've missed J-e-f-f-A for another day

[06:21:03]

** mzb_xps out **

[06:21:10]

meshe:

night mzb_xps

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Lexridge:

i know this is not mythtv related, but after a fresh install of F8, I no longer have the 5.1 device option within VLC. 5.1 works within Mythfrontend. Any ideas?

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jroysdon2:

Lexridge, install F10? ;-p

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Lexridge:

jroysdon2: I tried 10, but could not run dual separate X session with 10. Had to back up to F8 for my needs.

[07:21:18]

jroysdon2:

Ah. I run them on F9

[07:21:20]

Lexridge:

It's sad that some things go bad when upgrading.

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jroysdon2:

(my laptop has a video out that allows for dual monitors)

[07:21:47]

Lexridge:

I'm guessing xorg server 1.7 was the cause.

[07:22:30]

Dagmar:

You reinstalled rather than fix a simple X configuration problem?

[07:23:13]

** Dagmar baffles. **

[07:23:23]

Lexridge:

Not quite the same thing. I was running dual DVI. monitor 0 is a 19" 1440x900 while monitor 1 is a 24" 1920x1200. There was not way to launch a program onto monitor 1

[07:23:49]

Lexridge:

everything launched on mon 0

[07:24:00]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: yes, I did

[07:24:07]

Dagmar:

Did you not try something like devilspie?

[07:24:41]

Lexridge:

I've not heard of that. I tried everything that had worked before....to no avail.

[07:24:44]

Dagmar:

I'm not sure if it "goes" without GNOME, but it can basically stop those problems

[07:24:54]

Dagmar:

"Devil's Pie can be configured to detect windows as they are created, and match the window to a set of rules. If the window matches the rules, it can perform a series of actions on that window. For example, I can make all windows created by X-Chat appear on all workspaces, and the main Gkrellm1 window does not appear in the pager or task list. "

[07:25:06]

Dagmar:

It's actually pretty useful for multiple display setups

[07:26:38]

Lexridge:

it sounds useful, and I want it now, but this had nothing to do with the problems I was having. I'm sure it was the xorg.server v1.7 that is responsible. I suspected KDE at first, but gnome didn't work correctly either, but it was much closer to working.

[07:26:57]

Dagmar:

Ah. Wish I'd known, I might have been able to help

[07:27:35]

Lexridge:

dagmar: I thougt we discussed this online a few nites ago. I posted but didn't get much back here.

[07:27:56]

Dagmar:

I must have missed it entirely

[07:28:20]

Lexridge:

it may have been iamlindoro whom I was discussing this with.

[07:28:26]

Dagmar:

Likely so

[07:28:47]

Lexridge:

what what would you fix have been?

[07:28:55]

Lexridge:

I can still go back to f10

[07:29:20]

Dagmar:

I'm not certain since I don't know what it was balking at

[07:29:31]

Dagmar:

In the last I've just winged it as I went along

[07:29:31]

Lexridge:

of course not. DOH!

[07:30:18]

Dagmar:

Either X thinks it's got two displays, or there's two X servers running, or X thinks it's got one really wide display and different methods are needed to specify where you want something based on that

[07:30:18]

Lexridge:

Under KDE, i could get two screens....the first, fully functional, the second appeared not to be running any desktop mgr.

[07:30:35]

Lexridge:

note this was in Separate X Screens

[07:30:57]

Dagmar:

...and it's very possible to set up X so that it's running both displays but has nothing tying the second to the first and no instrucitons to use it

[07:31:08]

Dagmar:

That would be something one fixes in xorg.conf

[07:31:36]

Lexridge:

if I would right click under the right monitor 1, I got nothing. Under KDE that is. Under gnome, I actually had the interface, with menus, but all programs opened on monitor 0.

[07:31:48]

Dagmar:

I think I've done that twice by accident when I was converting my old config to handle the second monitor I'd just plugged up

[07:32:38]

Lexridge:

I wasted four days trying to figure that one out. Never did.

[07:33:19]

Lexridge:

I couldn't even get F10 to use my old xorg.conf file. Would not start.

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Dagmar:

Ahhh

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Dagmar:

Seeing the Xorg.0.log from that would probably have led to something useful indicating what they changed

[07:34:08]

Lexridge:

Well, the fonts was the first thing that complained.

[07:34:30]

Lexridge:

got that fixed in a timely manner, then something else complained

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Lexridge:

That was when I did the wipe....I had originally upgraded from

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Lexridge:

fc6

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Lexridge:

that did not work well.

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Lexridge:

especially since ~50% of my apps are self compiled

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Lexridge:

Honesly, I think I would be a good candidate for CentOS. I run this OS's as long as I can. I don't upgrade for the sake of it.

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jroysdon2:

Yeah, 'cept you'll find it too old

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jroysdon2:

CentOS5 is based on FC6

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Dagmar:

heh

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meshe:

ubuntu LTS

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jroysdon2:

I can't wait for F11 or whatever to make it to CentOS6

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Lexridge:

but it is very stable, as was my FC6 install.

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jroysdon2:

yeah, I love it for my servers

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jroysdon2:

'cept when I need a new feature

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jroysdon2:

like DNSSEC NSEC3 in BIND9.6, or IPv6 DHCP support

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jroysdon2:

Then I have to roll my own, and I hit dependency hell

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Lexridge:

well, there's nothing to keep one from building the new kernel or app from sourcecode. That is how I survived using FC6 for 3 years.

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jroysdon2:

Yeah, but like in the case of BIND9.6, I needed to refresh so much stuff, it was almost like building it all from src

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jroysdon2:

plus, that's why I like RH stuff. I don't want to update if I don't have to

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jroysdon2:

(I want yum to do all the heavy lifting)

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jroysdon2:

I think the only thing I have custom right now is squid, for ipv6 support

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Lexridge:

Dependency hell ? Most compile dependancys are caused by not having the devel pkg installed.......either by pkg mgr or sourcecode. Once you know that, you never really need to update your dist.

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Lexridge:

you just update the kernel and your apps

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Lexridge:

....and spend a lot of time doing it, if you become anal about it, that is. ;)

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Lexridge:

wow. wth happened?

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jroysdon2:

dunno, nothing here

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jroysdon2:

it said you quit

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meshe:

you'd probably have to ask your isp

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Lexridge:

my xchat restarted or something.

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jroysdon2:

The list of what I had to update for support for BIND9.6 was huge, and each thing had it's own chain

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jroysdon2:

it said you quit here

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jroysdon2:

crashed perhaps

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Lexridge:

xchat opened two windows all the sudden, and none were connected,.

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Lexridge:

so I quit both of them, and restarted it.

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Lexridge:

Gawd!! We brought in a guy today who used to be our chief eng to fix a satellite issue with our HD CBS feed. Anyway, he decides to disconnect the main receiver from the LNB and all netowrk video disappears during the Mountianeer game...Wow, did the phones ever light up.

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Lexridge:

everyone was apparently watching it, and his reponse when telling him to hook it back up was "You want the GD thing fixed don't you. WEll yes, but not right now!!!!

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Lexridge:

There were a lot of heated tempers today. I decided to get the heck outta there and avoid the whole situation.

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jroysdon2:

lol

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jroysdon2:

yeah, come in at 3am, ya dork

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Lexridge:

naw, this was earlier today, like 4pm. EVerything phone line we had was full. We pissed a LOT of viewers off today.

[07:54:56]

Lexridge:

The bitch receptionist we have started hanging up on callers. ... ..NOT GOOD!!!

[07:55:51]

Lexridge:

there is a good chance she will be umployeed on Monday.

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Lexridge:

unemployed that is

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jroysdon2:

heh, yeah

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Lexridge:

Why does the tonight show look so much better in HD than anything else?

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Lexridge:

Stupid question. Xchat beeps with every charactor I type. HTH do I turn this off?

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gbee:

wire cutters to the speaker cable

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clever:

gbee: wire cutters to the power cord also work

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clever:

best to use the ones that dont have an insulated handle

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sid3windr:

desperately needed enhancement!!!

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sid3windr:

what are you guys irc'ing, there is WORK TO DO!

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gbee:

heh

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gbee:

stupid thing is that there isn't anything he wants which won't be possible with 0.22 (most of it is doable right now, just the watched flag stuff is incomplete)

[09:30:07]

Gumby:

can anyone here recommend an svideo or rgb input card to use for running my satellite receiver into my mythbox?

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Tanthrix:

Hrm. Any idea why myth would use .1 megs of ram per minute until finally being killed off by the kernel when all memory is exhausted?

[09:32:08]

Tanthrix:

Just sitting there on the mythvideo screen.

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sid3windr:

Gumby: I use a pvr150 for that

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gbee:

Tanthrix: no idea at all, which version?

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Gumby:

Tanthrix: I had seen that on one of my backends when it couldnt find a recording that it was trying to delete

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gbee:

Gumby: PVR-150

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Gumby:

I never did track down the issue

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Tanthrix:

SVN from Jan08.

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Gumby:

cool thx. I have two of those.. I'll give one a shot :)

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Gumby:

wasnt sure if there was anything else

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Tanthrix:

Could not recompiling after changing mobos/procs cause something like that?

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gbee:

Tanthrix: WTF? So not even the last stable release

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gbee:

Tanthrix: start by upgrading to 0.21-fixes

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Tanthrix:

I seem to recall it was after 0.21.

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sid3windr:

=)

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Tanthrix:

In any event, the reason I did it was that I setup a new frontend machine. Just cloned my current working backend/frontend, modified it accordingly, and it's been working great with the exception of this issue.

[09:36:06]

Tanthrix:

I'm of the "don't fix it if it's not broken" mindset, and my main be/fe machine has been working perfectly, so I didn't want to upgrade.

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gbee:

0.21 was released in March/April IIRC

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Tanthrix:

But back to my original question, could not recompiling after changing from a C2D architecture to Athlon64 potentially cause an issue like this?

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Tanthrix:

Hrm. I swear it was after 0.21, but I could be full of it.

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gbee:

0.21-fixes could well include a fix for the issue, though I don't personally recall ever hearing of such a bug

[09:37:39]

gbee:

March 8th

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gbee:

Tanthrix: you should probably recompile after changing architecture, it depends if you used processor specific optimisations during the original compile

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Tanthrix:

I just did a stock ./configure accordig to the config.log

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Tanthrix:

Ah well, I guess recompiling is worth a try. If not, I suppose I could give upgrading a try. My intuition though is that myth is not to blame – genuine mythtv bugs usually do not plague me.

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gbee:

just sitting in the old mythvideo screens shouldn't leak so I suspect you are right

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justinh:

bah. current tv don't yet have an rss feed

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justinh:

hell might be starting to freeze over.. like erm.. I'm starting to see there's a point in online content. Just about

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justinh:

yay #4743 was accepted :)

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gbee:

ever since I nudged it when installing the new HDD, one of the DIMMs keeps becoming unseated causing everything to start crashing, not sure what to do about it :/

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justinh:

cable ties? ;-)

[10:43:47]

justinh:

cheaper than a new motherboard. loads easier than replacing the DIMM socket

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gbee:

not sure where I'd put them, but if I can figure it out :) The retaining clips are staying in place, it's just that a movement of 1/5th mm seems to be enough that it's no longer in contact

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gbee:

and I'm not replacing the mobo, it's brand new

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Dibblah:

"It was like that when I got it, guv..."

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gbee:

sooner buy a new board than go through the hassle and wait of returning the board to an online merchant

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gbee:

sure, if it genuinely arrived broken I would, but the issue just isn't enough to make me go through that pain

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sid3windr:

gluegun!

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gbee:

if neccessary I'll just get into the routine of powering down the machine every few days to reseat, so far it hasn't come adrift faster than that

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justinh:

heheh the bit of my hand covered by a sticking plaster is a markedly different shade to the rest of my hand. was it that sunny yesterday?

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dustybin:

justinh: its dirt :P

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xand:

plasters make your skin go whiter

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justinh:

also have a line where my wedding ring lives. maybe it _was_ that sunny

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trumee:

guys, i have two disks in which i store my media (to play with MythVideo). At the moment i use gallery view and have to go either of the folders on these disks. Is it possible to have the video files to show up in a single folder irrespective of the physical disks

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trumee:

my first folder is /mnt/disk1/mov1 and second folder is /mnt/disk2/mov2. What i really want is that in mythvideo, all the videos of these two folders are shown together

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perlmonkey:

hi guys, having some problems with frontend :-/

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perlmonkey:

http://pastebin.com/d4a0fabc6 can anyone shed any light on this?

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gbee:

perlmonkey: video driver problem

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gbee:

which driver?

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perlmonkey:

damn, this PC has an MGA G200 graphics adaptor so I'm assuming mga

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gbee:

doesn't seem to support xvideo

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perlmonkey:

:(

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perlmonkey:

i need a new graphics card?

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gbee:

dunno, no idea about Matrox cards and their drivers

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gbee:

didn't even know Matrox was still in business

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trumee:

do i need to address my issue using symlinks. that will be ugly since i will have to scan again using video managers and loose my customisations :(

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perlmonkey:

this is quite an old HP workstation

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artus35:

good morning all

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artus35:

anybody using lcdproc here?

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artus35:

I have issues to get it working

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perlmonkey:

is it possible to disable audio? like stop audio being streamed

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perlmonkey:

gbee: I managed to get it working by changing the TV settings

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** perlmonkey returns with an nvidia card and replaces matrox **

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trumee:

do i need to create symlinks of every video from /mnt/disk1/mov1 to /mnt/disk2/mov2 ?

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mzb_d800:

$ cd /myth/videos && ln -s /mnt/disk*/mov*/* .

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mzb_d800:

??

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kardiel:

Someone here from norway??

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mchou:

trumee: no, you define a storage group

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mchou:

trumee: no need to symlink anything

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trumee:

mchou, i want all my videos from two disks to appear together in mythvideo

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trumee:

at the moment i have /mnt/disk1/mov1 and /mnt/disk2/mov2 defined in mythvideo.

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mchou:

trumee: ok, no idea if storage groups works for re mythvideo

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mchou:

trumee: I thought you were talking recordings

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mchou:

trumee: unionfs should work well too

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trumee:

mzb_d800, thanks for the command

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trumee:

mchou, will unionfs destroy the existing disk?

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mchou:

nope

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mzb_d800:

iirc, storage groups for video is in trunk

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laga:

might want to look into aufs if you decide to go the stackable file system route

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mchou:

symlinks are just lame for myth

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gbee:

trumee: what you want won't be possible until 0.22

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trumee:

mzb_d800, will "storage groups for video" be released with 0.22

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mzb_d800:

no idea

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trumee:

gbee, ah ok

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gbee:

without using something like union/lvm

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trumee:

gbee, is 0.22 not good enough to use?

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

comeon dude

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jduggan:

hmm

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mzb_d800:

0.22 hasn't been released (ie: there's no such thing) ... you're probably referring to trunk

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mchou:

there is no 0.22 yet

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gbee:

trumee: it's work in progress, I use it but then I'm aware and prepared to deal with any bugs

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mzb_d800:

^^ same (but less prepared;)

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gbee:

I'm not going to recommend it because I don't want to take it in the neck when you run into a showstopping bug

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jduggan:

out of interest, since i dont follow myth development, but ive seen some speculation about it in the past.. is there any work in the pipeline for mythvideo to run from the backend rather than have to run it seperate on the front? or is that a 'never gonna happen' thing? =]

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gbee:

jduggan: already in trunk

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jduggan:

ok well thats a feature that will get me updating as soon as its stable =]

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mchou:

so on another note, are seagate drives still massive fail, or have they been fixed?

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jduggan:

fixed

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mchou:

are they 7200.12 now?

[12:22:14]

jduggan:

no idea, but i know we took a batch in work and it was fail =]

[12:22:21]

jduggan:

and i know its all working now

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mchou:

jduggan: you guys didnt change vendors after massive fail?

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jduggan:

mchou: yes we moved to wd =], but we didnt return the few hundred disks we already had

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jduggan:

and theyre now running in production *gulp* without problems =]

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mchou:

jduggan: what's the word at work re wd drives?

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mchou:

jduggan: are these the green ones or some other ones?

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trumee:

mzb_d800, problem with symlinking is that if i add a new video then i will have to symlink and then run video-manager. a bit more work :)

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jduggan:

yea green, im not sure, the guy who buys our hardware seems to love seagate and hate wd... its not a fair opinion he would give

[12:26:03]

jduggan:

but we havent had any issues with the greens

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mchou:

trumee: never mind deleting (as another example)

[12:26:46]

trumee:

mchou, so unionfs is an option? dont know if my gentoo kernel has support for it.

[12:26:47]

mchou:

jduggan: well, wd has been more spotty for me than seagates (but I missed seagate disaster)

[12:27:01]

mzb_d800:

trumee: agreed. I didn't say that I'd recommend the symlink method ;)

[12:27:08]

jduggan:

we buy quite alot of disks

[12:27:20]

jduggan:

until that point we rarely had seagate failures

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mchou:

trumee: dude man, I dont know. go look it up in google or something

[12:27:33]

jduggan:

not within their expected lifespan, atleast

[12:28:06]

laga:

trumee: aufs usually is better. not sure if aufs/unionfs is what you want, but aufs tends to work better :)

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mzb_d800:

I only have two issues with Seagate: the reduction of the warranty period, and the recent firmware fiasco

[12:28:14]

bulle:

i have been using a bunch of wd disks lately, mainly from the green gp line, they have all worked very well, and as they use way less power then normal disks, they are realy nice to put in your mythbox

[12:28:40]

mchou:

bulle: well, I dont like mystery speeds

[12:28:48]

mzb_d800:

(the one where motherboard SATA ports no longer recognise the drive ... I've got one ... might get around to sending it back one day;)

[12:28:57]

bulle:

mchou: mystery speeds ?

[12:29:04]

mchou:

bulle: fixed but mysterious depending on luck of draw

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mchou:

bulle: 5400–7200rpm

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mchou:

any speed in that range

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bulle:

mchou: depends on the model yes, some are 5400 and some 7200

[12:29:46]

mchou:

no, it doesnt depend on model

[12:29:54]

bulle:

mchou: also on firmware and acpi settings

[12:29:56]

mchou:

it depends on the specific DRIVE

[12:30:29]

bulle:

mchou: you can alter it, to suite your needs, wd dont tell you about it, but if you mail support, and demand to get the software to alter settings, they tend to give it to you

[12:30:33]

mchou:

2 same model drives could have differnt rpms

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bulle:

mchou: i used it to disable the annoying spindown on one of my drives

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bulle:

the other ( pair, same model ) had it disabled in firmware

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mchou:

bulle: what's the name of the wd util?

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bulle:

mchou: its actualy two utils, i think, one is just wdidle or something, and the other is wdgreen or something like that, just commandline dos files

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perlmonkey:

gbee: i got the nvidia card now and mythtv is working fine, infact my system is very much faster! thanks for putting me onto the gfx card prob, glad its finally sorted

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justinh:

I once had a very long & protracted discussion @ LRL about mythtv & matrox. I wanted to slash my wrists after the first half hour

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perlmonkey:

i got a matrox card here covered in dust

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bulle:

mchou: a few wd disks even ship with firmware that makes them park the head all the time, so that in combo with linux default disk sync activit means you get the classical laptop drive issues, with thousands of head parks a day

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mchou:

bulle: haha

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mchou:

bulle: yeah, no way that's suitable for linux box

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bulle:

mchou: i got one of those disks, that was when i started to try to find the utils, so now i just disabled that feature

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trumee:

guys, what is the best filesystem to use for nfs(ing) mythvideo folders

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bulle:

mchou: or, if you realy want to save that little extra power, you can push your linux box into lapto mode, so it doesnt sync to disk as much

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bulle:

trumee: shouldnt be much of a problem, main thing will be network connection realy

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mchou:

bulle: I'm green but not that green

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bulle:

mchou: same here

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bulle:

i just disabled the feature

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bulle:

if it now is a feature, well

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trumee:

bulle, so xfs + nfs is the same as ext3 + nfs

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justinh:

no. xfs != ext3

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bulle:

trumee: no xfs is not the same as ext3, but for simple streaming of media over nfs, you wont notice any big speed difference

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justinh:

it doesn't really make any difference in terms of performance

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bulle:

so just stick to ext3

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justinh:

all that matters is choosing the right options for nfs itself (noatime etc)

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** bulle uses nfsv4 over tcp wth good results **

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justinh:

browsing files in mythvideo without noatime is erm.. hmmm..... waiting.... waiting....

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justinh:

I mean it's not exactly life-threatening when you don't know when a video file was last opened anyway

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bulle:

justinh: it might be crucial to keep track, so that no one else watches your pr0n!

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mchou:

haha

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justinh:

that doesn't prevent anybody else accessing your porn

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bulle:

justinh: indeed, but then you can notice that they have!

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bulle:

and punish them accordingly

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mzb_d800:

trumee: I use xfs for all (video) storage ... made life a lot easier. PS: there _is_ a big difference between serving from ext3 vs xfs, particularly on slower machines.

[12:39:41]

mchou:

justinh: that's hardly the point

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perlmonkey:

justinh do you want a matrox g200

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mzb_d800:

pps: nfs4 is also slow(er)

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justinh:

only means you find out, and if anybody else knows, chances are you'd fine out anyway

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justinh:

perlmonkey: no. I want a pony

[12:40:02]

perlmonkey:

:D

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justinh:

s/fine/find

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trumee:

mzb_d800, my machine is particularly fast. i guess xfs is the way to go forward

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trumee:

mzb_d800, s/fast/not fast

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mzb_d800:

$ man xfs_fsr

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justinh:

if the contents of your mythvideo dir(s) don't change often I guess ext3 would be ok

[12:42:28]

gbee:

but if the videos are large and you want speedy deletes, XFS

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justinh:

actually I used to use ext3 but changed to xfs around the time I changed the mount option to noatime. I wonder which contributed to the increase in access speed

[12:43:08]

justinh:

the mythvideo gallery used to be frustratingly slow to navigate around before I changed it

[12:43:16]

justinh:

now it's nice & snappy :)

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gbee:

wonder how I'm going to persuade GreyFoxx to SG'ify mythgallery and mythmusic for 0.22

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trumee:

guys, does vdpau help if i am playing a .mkv file?

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gbee:

trumee: depends which codec

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justinh:

trumee: depends what codec is used

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trumee:

gbee, justinh: mplayer says "Selected video codec: [ffh264] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg H.264)"

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justinh:

h.264, so yeah vdpau will be able to help

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trumee:

i player the file using mplayer -vo vdpau abc.mkv but the cpu was touching 50%

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trumee:

s/player/played

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justinh:

so I'd guess that your drivers aren't working properly

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justinh:

or the file is encoded by a nobrain

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justinh:

or your mplayer doesn't actually support vdpau

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trumee:

justinh, how can i find out if vdpau is being used

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justinh:

cpu usage is normally the key

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justinh:

looks like it's very much NOT being used

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justinh:

(VDPAU that is)

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trumee:

justinh, here is the mplayer log http://pastebin.com/m4362764a

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justinh:

so you're just using the vdpau renderer by the looks of it. not vdpau decoding

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trumee:

justinh, how can i use vdpau decoding then. my nvidia driver is 180.29

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justinh:

mplayer --help

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justinh:

and man mplayer

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justinh:

you'll see that the -vo commandline option only selects the video rendering method :)

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trumee:

justinh, mplayer -vo vdpau -vc ffh264vdpau, cpu is now 0.4%

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trumee:

this is such a big difference :)

[12:55:38]

justinh:

another happy customer. That'll be $200 please

[12:56:12]

trumee:

i want to buy another nvidia card my mythfrontend/mythbackend. is there any recommended card for vdpau?

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** justinh chuckles at the thought of somebody try to build 0.12-fixes **

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justinh:

chuffing backend fell over. damn preview generator was the last log entry. Must try hacking that out sometime

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gbee:

preview generator shouldn't pull down the backend, it's a separate process that just happens to log to the same file

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justinh:

wonder what it was then. I stopped running it with the most verbose options when it failed to fall over for months

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gbee:

very rare that a 0.21-fixes backend will topple

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justinh:

I know

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justinh:

makes it a bugger to debug when it does though

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justinh:

if it was happening more often I'd pile onto it armed with gdb but I don't think it's worth spending much time on it

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justinh:

happened just as my wife was selecting Eastenders to watch. Serves her right :)

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sphery:

justinh: the preview generator runs in a separate process (also called mythbackend and also logging to the same log file), so if it segv's, it won't affect the backend "proper"

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sphery:

(in 0.21 and above, that is)

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iamlindoro__:

Yes, but what about .12-fixes?

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sphery:

That one was different (IIRC, only the frontend generated previews in that version :)

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iamlindoro__:

Can someone help me with the .12-fixes HD-PVR and VDPAU backports?

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jduggan:

lol

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iamlindoro__:

This super-cool guy wrote all the code for that version himself

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iamlindoro__:

after all, according to an e-mail on the users list to him last night: "Seeing the level of coding you're doing, I would have thought you would be well placed to run trunk – the minor issues that go on would probably both be manageable for you, and also probably be things you could fix if you were so inclined."

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sphery:

heh...

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sphery:

We need more inclined people... Seems too many users are completely flat.

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orly_owl:

Are there any DVB-T PCI tuners that don't require firmware to be loaded onto them?

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orly_owl:

Or PCIexpress

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sphery:

did you try linuxtv.org and/or #linuxtv (I think that's the channel name)?

[13:46:12]

orly_owl:

I'll have a look.

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sphery:

though I will say that relatively current distros/kernels should have no problems loading firmware on the supported devices...

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sphery:

So, am I the only one for whom the new Dell laptop, "Adamo," conjures images of BSG? http://www.adamobydell.com/

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trumee:

guys, how can i change the starting channel of mythfrontend. one of the channels is giving me a problem, but since mythfrontend always tunes to it first i am stuck.

[13:49:11]

trumee:

i want mythfrontend to always start at channel 1 and not to remember the last channel i was watching

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sphery:

the first can be done in mythtv-setup... the second isn't currently possible

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sphery:

IIRC, mythtv-setup, input connections

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trumee:

i want to change the starting channel number for the mythfrontend which has a remote backend

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sphery:

so install mythtv-setup on that machine and do it

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sphery:

mythtv-setup takes all of 20MB or so?

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sphery:

just don't run mythbackend

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sphery:

if it's installed, but not running, it will have zero impact on performance

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trumee:

ok, i need to define the cards and everything on this frontend as well?

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sphery:

but really, the starting channel is per input, so you can run mythtv-setup on any system

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sphery:

nope, only defined on the backend that contains them

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trumee:

but i dont have any dvb cards on my mythfrontend

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sphery:

oh, and really, you have to run mythtv-setup on the backend that contains the card that has the input you're trying to change....

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sphery:

I'm still not awake...

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trumee:

ah ok!

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gbee:

mythtv-setup takes 20MB?

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trumee:

in mythtv-setup, the starting channel is updated to every successfull change change. how can i disable this. i want to make it fixed

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jduggan:

i just realised the mce remote/receiver is so sensitive i can hid it at the back out of sight and it still gets its input

[14:04:38]

jduggan:

is it reflecting off walls or what?

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jduggan:

hide*

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wagnerrp:

must be reflecting off walls

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wagnerrp:

no other explination

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gbee:

walls/ceiling/pretty much any surface

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sphery:

gbee: I was being overly conservative in estimating the incremental storage difference between a system with only mythfrontend installed and one with mythfrontend and mythbackend/mythtv-setup installed. 20MB was supposed to sound like nothing (though I may actually be much larger than in real life).

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gbee:

sphery: k

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sphery:

s/I may/it may/

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gbee:

binary is 1.7Mb here, even that suprises me

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gbee:

unstripped

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sphery:

yeah, factored in some space for libs and other stuff (don't really know how the packagers break it up)

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gbee:

337K stripped

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sphery:

plus I think most have mythtv-setup in the mythbackend package

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gbee:

frontend/backend require the same libs pretty much, I'd be suprised if packagers are splitting them up

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sphery:

And, speaking of the fact that the storage difference is negligible, I /really/ don't understand the idea of breaking up the packages

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sphery:

I would imaging a package that contains all the programs and another package for auto-starting mythbackend and one for auto-starting mythfrontend

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sphery:

(or even just having a program that you run to say which to run automatically and not doing that through packages)

[14:18:42]

sphery:

but I'm sure the packagers have good reasons for their approaches

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gbee:

I'm never really sure, some idiot at Mandriva decided to stick python's build/setuptool util into their python-devel package, when it was quite happy in the standard python release for years before that and it's required for auto-building python apps after version upgrades – you don't need the rest of the libs/devel crap for that

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sphery:

heh

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gbee:

end result? Lots of people with broken python apps after an upgrade and no obvious reason for it

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JEDIDIAH__:

I would leave all the stuff to support jobs in the "backend" package including mythjobqueue

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JEDIDIAH__:

what bugs me is when they leave stuff required for installing vmware or binary drivers out of the base install.

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JEDIDIAH__:

any suggestions for getting rid of tearing in the vdpau renderer?

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gbee:

mythjobqueue?

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gbee:

well I never noticed that before

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gbee:

JEDIDIAH__: disable opengl v-sync

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gbee:

hmm, no that's not right

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gbee:

disable composite, or maybe it's enable it?

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gbee:

complain to Nvidia and get it fixed in the driver?

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gbee:

last one might be the best solution

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: disabling composite usually cleans up any tearing you may have

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wagnerrp:

although at least one mine, i had to do some colorspace command or something to get it to work without composite

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JEDIDIAH__:

I'll try that. my vdpau test box is not a dedicated machine (its a desktop), so it doesn't have any Myth specific tweaks setup for it.

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: yeah, I was saying that there's really no reason to have a separate backend and frontend package for Myth... All should be in the same package (as it takes very little incremental space to install the "other" one)

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wagnerrp:

'USE_VDPAU_COLORKEY=1'

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wagnerrp:

whatever that does

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sphery:

And, really, it's just a placebo for those who think that it's important to not install programs they're not using (i.e. Windows users :)

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JEDIDIAH__:

not being able to enable 10 concurrent transcode jobs concurrently is probably a useful thing.

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JEDIDIAH__:

well, not being able to do it by accident.

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wagnerrp:

well 10 concurrent transcode jobs is probably perfectly reasonable

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gbee:

to keep my root partition small and keep a decent amount of space to prevent it becoming full I'll be careful about only installing packages I need, but I'm nowhere near as obsessive about it as some people (or gentoo users)

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wagnerrp:

but 10 concurrent commercial clipping jobs is absolutely not

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** JEDIDIAH__ has probably run 10 concurrent flagging jobs across multiple boxes at some point. **

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JEDIDIAH__:

....although that's not the point.

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JEDIDIAH__:

A particular situation may not be reasonable given the particular persons requirements.

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JEDIDIAH__:

not installing stuff that can run amok (pretty much anything from the point of view of a Unix system architect) is pretty common idea.

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wagnerrp:

if youre a unix administrator, trying to secure a publicly available, commercial system... sure!

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wagnerrp:

if youre just an average home user, linux, windows, or whatever, you really just need to be more secure than your neighbor

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sphery:

but if you're installing mythfrontend, also installing mythbackend won't make your system any less secure (and vice versa)

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laga:

sphery: how so?

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sphery:

after all, don't you think the myth devs are smart enough to install the trojan horses in /both/ programs?

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JEDIDIAH__:

having certain binaries missing mean that you can be sure they will never cause trouble.

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wagnerrp:

because mythbackend will not be running, and there would be no reason to flag it for privilege escalation

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sphery:

yes, because mythbackend causes /sooooo/ much trouble

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JEDIDIAH__:

I would be more worried about defaults/configs changing.

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: now youre getting into the territory of protecting the user from themselves

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JEDIDIAH__:

that's what Unix is for.

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sphery:

I thought that's what windows was for

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JEDIDIAH__:

actually, Unix is for protecting users from each other with the implicit assumption that all machines have multiple users.

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sphery:

laga: I'm just saying I don't see a reason for having 2 separately-installable packages for Myth...

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sphery:

right, but Windows if for protecting a user from himself

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JEDIDIAH__:

Windows was never about protecting anyone.

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gbee:

but not from everyone else

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JEDIDIAH__:

laisse-faire all the way.

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JEDIDIAH__:

the nice level for jobs is one good example of myth exploiting the Unix Way.

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gbee:

one day I'll create a fuzzing app and random keypress app for myth to shake a few segfaults loose

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wagnerrp:

unix is about protecting the system from unprivileged users

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wagnerrp:

if you have to protect the system from ignorant admins, youre already doing it wrong

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JEDIDIAH__:

that includes mythtv (as unpriveledged users)

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Johnny_Bizzle:

hi

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Johnny_Bizzle:

can i ask a question?

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Johnny_Bizzle:

ive got acpi working with mythtv (im using the rtc wakealarm, not proc

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Johnny_Bizzle:

but i now want to integrate it with mythwelcome as well

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Johnny_Bizzle:

can i just copy and paste the settings from the backend setup into the respective ones for mythwelcome setup?

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wagnerrp:

so... you asked to ask a question, which youre not supposed to do, and then you went ahead and asked anyway without waiting for any sort of response?

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Johnny_Bizzle:

oh sorry

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Johnny_Bizzle:

i didnt realise you wernt supposed to ask questions

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wagnerrp:

in the future, just ask questions

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Johnny_Bizzle:

oh ok

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wagnerrp:

either someone is here that can help you, or theyre not and you try again in a couple hours

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wagnerrp:

anyway, why do you want a wakealarm in mythwelcome?

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Johnny_Bizzle:

so my pc turns on and off by itself in between recordings

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wagnerrp:

the backend is the only thing that needs to start up at a pre-specified time for recordings

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Johnny_Bizzle:

i had it running in mythbuntu 8.04 cos it was using the old proc/acpi alarm, but mythbuntu has gone over to the newer acpi so im not sure how it works

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wagnerrp:

or are you saying its a combined box, and you want to be able to manually shutdown and still automatically come up

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Johnny_Bizzle:

its backend + frontend

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Johnny_Bizzle:

autoshutdown + startup

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wagnerrp:

well if you want to auto-shutdown, that should be handled by the backend

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wagnerrp:

not mythwelcome

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Johnny_Bizzle:

kk

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wagnerrp:

AFAIK, mythwelcome is only set up to shutdown when its idle

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Johnny_Bizzle:

thats the one

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Johnny_Bizzle:

yeh

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Johnny_Bizzle:

thats what i want it 2 do

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wagnerrp:

rather than poll a possible backend on the system to make sure its not recording

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wagnerrp:

if you have a backend on the system, thats the part that matters

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wagnerrp:

let it control things

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Johnny_Bizzle:

kk

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Johnny_Bizzle:

basically, what i want it 2 do is, when i select shutdown from the mythwelcome menu (or when the idle timer reaches 0, mythtv/mythwelcome will tell the computer to turn on a few mins before the recording, and then shutdown the pc)

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wagnerrp:

ive never used mythwelcome, so i dont know if it can coordinate with the backend

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wagnerrp:

i have the suspicion that it cannot

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Johnny_Bizzle:

the wiki says it can

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Johnny_Bizzle:

and ive had it working fine using proc/acpi/alarm

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Johnny_Bizzle:

its just im having a lil trouble with the rtc thing

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Johnny_Bizzle:

*/sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: tvdb_apy now has the ability to return cast members for a TV show. Currently ttvdb returns a "Gueststar" key. What I am wondering is would it be better to just return a "Cast" key that combines both cast and guest stars or leave them as two different fields letting mythvideo download logic to work out the implementation?

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RDV_Linux:

s/tvdb_apy/tvdb_api/

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wagnerrp:

Johnny_Bizzle: ok, so you set everything to use 'mythshutdown', which then goes out and decides whether or not everything is willing to shutdown?

[16:34:27]

Johnny_Bizzle:

no

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Johnny_Bizzle:

im following the instructions on : http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup

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Johnny_Bizzle:

tho they dont discuss mythwelcome

[16:35:08]

Johnny_Bizzle:

so im copying the backend settings that it gives me into the acpi settings in mythwelcome

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wagnerrp:

so why dont you actually try the mythwelcome instructions, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythwelcome

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Johnny_Bizzle:

kk ill try

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend is just supposed to run shutdown manually

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wagnerrp:

meaning it will take out any frontends actively being used in the process

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Johnny_Bizzle:

thats fine, cos i want the whole pc to turn off

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wagnerrp:

mythwelcome includes mythshutdown, which intelligently checks to make sure no one is using any part of mythtv before shutting down

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wagnerrp:

so its a different process, with different settings

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Johnny_Bizzle:

so do i use mythshutdown then?

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wagnerrp:

that page will show how to set it up

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Johnny_Bizzle:

ok

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gbee:

hmm, that was an uncharacteristically blood-thirsty espisode of The Sarach Connor Chronicles :/

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bulle:

mmmm blood!

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gbee:

not that I really mind it, but I wasn't prepared for it either

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bulle:

gbee: i loved the final episode of s01 at the end, the music, and the swimmingpool, it was just sureal and lovely

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gbee:

that was a great last ep and by comparison this was probably less violent, smaller body count anyway, but this was up close and personal – hypodermic needles driven into eyeballs (follow by thumbs), self-dislocating thumbs and chewing on limbs etc

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gbee:

non of the clinical bullet wounds and off-screen violence of normal episodes

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wagnerrp:

gbee: that was a couple weeks ago wasnt it?

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gbee:

this week over here

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wagnerrp:

oh, didnt realize you run behind us

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jduggan:

last in season?

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wagnerrp:

the season has ended over here

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wagnerrp:

seems over there, you still have a few episodes to go

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gbee:

always do for some reason, occassionally it's just a day behind but more usually it's a week, months or years in some cases

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jduggan:

ive still to watch it, didnt realise it was the last one

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wagnerrp:

i know a lot of the scifi stuff gets aired earlier over there on sky-one

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gbee:

jduggan: from what wagnerrp is saying, the one shown on Thurs in the UK isn't the last

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gbee:

wagnerrp: BSG/Lost/24/Stargate

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gbee:

dunno whether any of it airs earlier, at least not at the start of the season but Sky don't always stop for the mid-season interval that you have

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that was 2x16... 2x19 aired last night

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wagnerrp:

although it looks like the season is running out to x22

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gbee:

not that I watch any of that stuff – can't record Sky One so I don't bother watching it (anymore)

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wagnerrp:

well they ended a major arc last night

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wagnerrp:

so i thought that was the end of the season

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wagnerrp:

but how foolish of me... they have to end on a cliffhanger

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gbee:

from what iamlindoro_ was saying, it didn't look like they'd make a third series?

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wagnerrp:

epguides doesnt have one listed... so i dont know

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justinh:

sphery: thanks, gbee already filled me in on the preview generator fact. The backend is generally solid & as programs go it's the least crashy of anything other than apache & mysql. If it was always falling down I'd be keen to dig deeper

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justinh:

anyway.. hauled the last of the logs away this afternoon. It's fun at first pulling heavy stuff up a 1 in 2 slope to the garden gate

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wagnerrp:

it was one of the shows on the bubble during the writers strike

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wagnerrp:

but i dont see anything about it being cancelled after the 2nd season

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gbee:

I've been doing some hauling of another variety, helping my sister move – reckon she packed gold bars into the suitcases

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Captain_Murdoch:

gbee, in mythuibuttonlist.cpp, when a vertical list is set to wrapstyle none, focus is moving to other items on the page if you hit UP or DOWN at the top/bottom of the list. is this by design so that you can skip between lists on a page or is that a bug? it's a little annoying on the PBB to have focus jump from the episodes to the titles if you hit the top or bottom of the list and I was thinking about how to work around

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Captain_Murdoch:

that. I fixed it by having ::MoveUp and ::MoveDown return true when wrapstyle is none and you're at the limit, but I wasn't sure if that would break things and affect other screens.

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justinh:

I think that's expected behaviour

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Captain_Murdoch:

it's odd/inconsistent in that on the horizontal display in Terra, it doesn't jump up to the titles when you hit the end of the episode list.

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justinh:

hmmm I dunno what the wrapstyle is set to in there

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justinh:

or even what the default is

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Captain_Murdoch:

default is none

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Captain_Murdoch:

wrapstyle is items on Terra, but I tried that on the default recordings-ui.xml and it didn't fix it.

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Captain_Murdoch:

it's probably somewhere higher up in the UI, where left/right don't switch between widgets but up/down does.

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Captain_Murdoch:

up/down do.

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justinh:

I thought the expected behaviour is that in horizontal lists, left/right moves between them & up/down shifts focus. then in vertical lists, up/down moves around the list & left/right shifts focus

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justinh:

regardless of wrap mode

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Captain_Murdoch:

yes, but in the case of hitting the end of a list where wrapstyle == none then handled is false and the keystroke is handled by higher up code, not mythuibuttonlist.

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Captain_Murdoch:

that's why I think it is jumping to the titles and out of the episodes buttonlist.

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Captain_Murdoch:

because higher up in the code, up/down move between widgets on the screen while left/right don't so horizontal layout isn't affected by this.

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Captain_Murdoch:

anyway, just thought I'd ask since I saw him in here. I just popped in for a few minutes. I'll look at it again more later.

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justinh:

well if anybody knows gbee will :)

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gbee:

by design to allow focus changes no matter what combination of list orientations are used, but if you think it's not really needed I'm not wedded to it

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byte85:

hi

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byte85:

i've got a short question, i'm watching tv over DVB-S2

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byte85:

i'm thinking about to install a Mythtv server client network at my home

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byte85:

is my thinking right, i install 2 dvbs2 cards in the server one for the horizontal channels and one for the vertical channels, and all clients (about 6) could every channel they want??

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byte85:

is this correct?

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AndyCap:

byte85: nope. you only get one transponder pr tuner.

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byte85:

hm, this means one dvb card for each client....

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AndyCap:

byte85: at least. :-P but if you're lucky, your conflicting channels are on the same transponder.

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wagnerrp:

one dvb card for each multiplex you want to watch sumultaneously

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wagnerrp:

what are the chances that youll have 6 people wanting to watch different shows at the same time?

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wagnerrp:

i think ive filled my 5 tuners once

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wagnerrp:

and i rarely go over 2 tuners in use at the same time

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byte85:

yes you're right, but it where nice

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gbee:

Captain_Murdoch: LEFT/RIGHT/UP/DOWN will all move focus but the buttonlists will swallow those keypresses if it handles them – you don't see the same issue with Terra because of the wrapping, not because of any difference in the layout

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jamesd__:

2 tuners are all i need, at least with over the air stuff... cable stuff isn't that big of deal since they always seem to play it over and over all during the month.. and you can just give priority to the live stuff and one offs like the wifes want to watch.. american idol, etc.

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gbee:

if wrapstyle == selection|items isn't changing the behaviour for you then it's a bug, but not one that was evident when I first ported the screen

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byte85:

thank you guys, i must go, cya

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jduggan:

any irish in the house? =]

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wagnerrp:

irish?

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wagnerrp:

you mean in the channel?

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jduggan:

no, i meant on the moon

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roz__:

I am running mythtv server 0.21 p18314, and have some p18314 frontends as well. I am test driving ubuntu, and can connect with 0.21 p18722. Is this OK?

[18:03:09]

roz__:

do i need to somehow prevent it from upgrading the schema

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GreyFoxx:

You can't prevent it

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gbee:

roz__: there are normally no schema changes in the stable branch

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GreyFoxx:

you should backup first though just in case

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gbee:

so it won't be an issue

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roz__:

OK thanks

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jpabq:

clever: I figured out my problem last night. mythcommflag had gone nuts on one of the shows and I had "-v playback" enabled, so it was pounding my disk writing out all the errors. Result was mythbackend being I/O bound.

[18:10:29]

jpabq:

Because of the mythcommflag problem, my log file ended up being 24GIG

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gbee:

heh, my root partition would have been full long and mysql crashing giving me bigger problems than I/O

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jpabq:

gbee: my disk being full is what finally tipped me off as to the problem.

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c3ntaur:

Does anyone have a minute to try to help me setup my DViCO FusionHDTV7 Gold?

[18:32:50]

c3ntaur:

I read through the wiki but still can't find the answer even though I'm sure it's something simple

[18:33:12]

c3ntaur:

Can't seem to get the scan to recognize any chans

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c3ntaur:

Have an indoor hd antenna connected to the card and no cable input

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justinh:

ah. indoorsey aerials are as useless as they look generally

[18:35:18]

justinh:

only any good if you can verify you can receive anything with it first. right now you have too many unknowns

[18:35:28]

c3ntaur:

Yeah I know I'm being vague

[18:35:34]

c3ntaur:

It works fine under Windows

[18:35:45]

c3ntaur:

But I'm trying to migrate away from that

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justinh:

right so you know it gets a signal.. that's a good start :)

[18:35:56]

c3ntaur:

Getting this TV card setup is pretty much the only big hurdle

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justinh:

is the card registered? drivers loadewd

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justinh:

?

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justinh:

verified that dmesg reports drivers loading & device nodes being created?

[18:38:05]

c3ntaur:

I'd assume so because under the cap cards menu it's probed as the correct model

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justinh:

assume nothing

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justinh:

also, did you set the capture card device type to the correct one?

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c3ntaur:

I don't see anything like that

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c3ntaur:

Just some messages say [15354.310188] DVB: adapter 0 frontend 0 frequency 863000000 out of range (54000000..858000000)

[18:42:22]

c3ntaur:

Under cap cards it's listed under analog v4l, mjpeg, and usb-mpeg4 and I'm pretty sure that it's not any of those

[18:43:01]

c3ntaur:

Tried configuring it as a dbv dtv card but maybe I'm missing something which is why it's not working

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c3ntaur:

I think it needs the CX23885 module

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c3ntaur:

Is there a command I can use to confirm that's loaded?

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iamlindoro__:

lsmod |grep -i nameofmodule

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iamlindoro__:

or partofnameofmodule

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iamlindoro__:

or whatever

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iamlindoro__:

grep-fu!

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: tvdb_api now has the ability to return cast members for a TV show. Currently ttvdb returns a "Gueststar" key. What I am wondering is would it be better to just return a "Cast" key that combines both cast and guest stars or leave them as two different fields letting mythvideo download logic to work out the implementation?

[19:06:55]

iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, from my experience with what TVDB calls a guest star, I would concatenate the two for now

[19:07:38]

iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, if when MythVideo ever gets converted to use programinfo, having the discrete fields will make sense, but until then I think putting the information together is the only thing to do

[19:10:02]

RDV_Linux:

So I will use "Cast:" to contain both. "Cast: is what tmdb.pl returns. On another note I asked the author of tvdb_api to allow language selection on episode data and within less than 12 hours he updated the code. I am apply those updates as we converse.:)

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c3ntaur:

Alright I found my card listed in the CARDLIST.cx88 file and it's showing that cx88_dvb among other similar mods are loaded

[19:10:25]

iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, Hahaha, nice, definitely send him my regards, it's really working out nicely

[19:10:33]

iamlindoro__:

(IMO)

[19:10:44]

iamlindoro__:

Make sure to throw that on your wiki page

[19:10:58]

iamlindoro__:

will be lots of non-english speakers who will be very very pleased about that

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c3ntaur:

So would you assume that it's alright to check off that my card is at least loaded correctly?

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iamlindoro__:

c3ntaur, That only shows that the module is loaded, dmesg output for when the module is loaded will tell you about its status

[19:13:35]

iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, am looking at the TTVDB.py wiki page-- I could be wrong, but aren't the command lines you describe the defaults? (ie I have it set to auto-fill those values)

[19:13:38]

RDV_Linux:

Was already planned. All the changes have been fairly easy. I expect to get a new release out by the end of the weekend. Also a resync of tvdb_api added a bug fix for series names such as "Brothers & Sisters" which returned data for the series "Brothers". All good stuff.

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iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, The average user, assuming they untar your scrip into their mythvideo scripts dir, shouldn't need to adjust anything and it should auto-fill the right basic values

[19:14:24]

c3ntaur:

Is there a command to get dmesg to show that status?

[19:14:34]

iamlindoro__:

"dmesg"

[19:14:42]

iamlindoro__:

lists all of dmesg

[19:14:51]

iamlindoro__:

you can unload and reload the module if you want it to be at the end

[19:14:52]

c3ntaur:

Did that but it doesn't seem to have any output about that mod

[19:14:53]

RDV_Linux:

Hold off as I need to revise those commands as I am changing the language code options. The wiki page does say a work in progress,

[19:14:56]

c3ntaur:

Ah ok

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iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, the page is a good start, though, nice work again

[19:15:39]

RDV_Linux:

thanks

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sid4windr:

hmh, my wife is watching live tv, backend wanted to record something... on that tuner. but there was an other one in that input group available, can't it just use the other one? :/

[19:16:07]

RDV_Linux:

I basically am ripping off what tmdb.pl has with some added extras

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iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, you should be able to just say to untar the script into the share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts dir and myth will automatically fill in the right values for the grabber

[19:16:54]

iamlindoro__:

sid4windr, I am not sure without asking more questions, but it sort of sounds like you might have the concept of input groups reversed

[19:17:13]

iamlindoro__:

sid4windr, Input groups prevent tuners in the same input group (except for the default) from being used concurrently

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c3ntaur:

Ok got it

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RDV_Linux:

I think you need root access to put any files in those directories.

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iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, sudo

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sid4windr:

well, maybe I'm using the wrong term ;)

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c3ntaur:

[17793.609034] xc5000: Successfully identified at address 0x61

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c3ntaur:

[17793.609039] xc5000: Firmware has not been loaded previously

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c3ntaur:

[17793.610392] DVB: registering new adapter (cx88[0])

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c3ntaur:

[17793.610400] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (Samsung S5H1411 QAM/8VSB Frontend)...

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c3ntaur:

Seems as though no problems?

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** sid3windr looks **

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RDV_Linux:

Do all distributions have sudo now?

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sid3windr:

they have always had it.. :)

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iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, I'm not familiar with any distro that ever *didn't* have sudo

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sid3windr:

iamlindoro__: I meant s/input group/video source/ :)

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iamlindoro__:

(although some might default to not adding users to the sudoers)

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RDV_Linux:

learn something everyday.

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sid3windr:

it would be quite a bit silly to have every added user in sudoers anyway :>

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jduggan:

jesus, this is a game and a half

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iamlindoro__:

sid3windr, Ah, then you may want to use the "choose a tuner for live TV to not interrupt recordings" option

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iamlindoro__:

sid3windr, which is called something sorta like that

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sid3windr:

oh.

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sid3windr:

see

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sid3windr:

this thing has way too many options

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sid3windr:

must be a qt thing

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sid3windr:

kde is also bloated!

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sid3windr:

sorry, couldn't resist :]

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hads:

SIlly

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c3ntaur:

[17793.526845] cx88/2: cx2388x dvb driver version 0.0.6 loaded

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c3ntaur:

[17793.526865] cx88/2: registering cx8802 driver, type: dvb access: shared

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c3ntaur:

[17793.526871] cx88[0]/2: subsystem: 18ac:d610, board: DViCO FusionHDTV 7 Gold [card=65]

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c3ntaur:

[17793.526879] cx88[0]/2: cx2388x based DVB/ATSC card

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** sid3windr is a kde user ;) **

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c3ntaur:

That was the output above the last stuff

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sid3windr:

iamlindoro__: I'll go look for that, thanks! (is it in the backend or frontend setup?)

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sid3windr:

frontend I guess

[19:20:28]

iamlindoro__:

yeah, frontend, probably in TV settings

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sid3windr:

thanks a bunch :)

[19:20:38]

iamlindoro__:

I don't use Live TV at all so I can't pin that one down from memory

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iamlindoro__:

sorry to not be more specific

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sid3windr:

yeah, it's good to know there is something like it, I'll find it if it's there ;)

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c3ntaur:

So from that output should I be configuring this card as a dvb dtv like I was trying to before?

[19:21:15]

hads:

Avoid conflicts something something

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iamlindoro__:

c3ntaur, Yes, digital tuners are all set up as DVB cards in Myth

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iamlindoro__:

TV Settings->General "Avoid conflicts between Live TV and scheduled Shows"

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iamlindoro__:

hads was closer on the wording than me :)

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hads:

heh I don't know if I'd call that close

[19:22:30]

iamlindoro__:

closER still wins :)

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hads:

:)

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c3ntaur:

And since it's just an indoor antenna I shouldn't worry about diseqc and just go to the next section after selecting dvb dtv?

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sid3windr:

:]

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iamlindoro__:

No DigitalSatteliteEquipmentControl on antenna, no :)

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c3ntaur:

Hehe

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c3ntaur:

Now what I'm wondering is it bad to just not select no grabber in the next section?

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iamlindoro__:

Myth is essentially useless without listings

[19:25:46]

iamlindoro__:

useless might be going a *bit* far, but it defeats the purpose of setting up a DVR, at least

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c3ntaur:

Yeah I get what you're saying

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c3ntaur:

But what I'm wondering for the sake of testing a signal it shouldn't impact things right?

[19:26:06]

iamlindoro__:

It's worth getting the free week at schedules direct and setting up that way, even if you're not sure about myth yet

[19:26:28]

iamlindoro__:

It won't impact your ability to at least turn on LiveTV, assuming you scan properly, find channels, etc.

[19:26:44]

iamlindoro__:

Not that that's optimal, but yeah, you can test that the card works without listings

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iamlindoro__:

off to the dog park, good luck all :)

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sid3windr:

oh uh

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sid3windr:

if you run mythfilldatabase nightly, does it update the data it already had with the new xmltv stuff?

[19:32:10]

sid3windr:

if not, boo; if yes, my epg supplier sucks ;) :(

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Dibblah:

"new xmltv stuff?>

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sid3windr:

Dibblah: well, it contains 14 days, you already have 13 of those 14 in the database

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sid3windr:

what if in those 13 days something changes, I assume it is updated in the myth epg

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hads:

Yes

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sid3windr:

okay, then microsoft sucks :>

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sid3windr:

gbee: I'm not 100% sure it can be discussed here ;) but the answer is mc2xml

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sid3windr:

and it means my epg data supplied by them was wrong, while other tv sites (eurotv.com etc) had the right data (channel here moved some stuff around)

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gbee:

sid3windr: mythfilldatabases behaviour does depend on the grabber – for some it will refresh days for which there are already data, others it only populates what it doesn't already have

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindora: Found a little issue with tvdb_api. Although there is now support for episode data selected by language the series name and episode name search only supports English. I am writing a ticket for tvdb_api. Hopefully he will be as responsive as yesterday. This will delay my next release as I cannot see one working without the other.

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sid3windr:

gbee: hm, I see. what is different in the xml file that could trigger the one or the other, any idea?

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hads:

It's not the file it's the grabber.

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gbee:

sid3windr: it's determined by the grabber normally, can't remember what the default is when using it manually though

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sid3windr:

but my grabber writes out an xmltv file.

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sid3windr:

and I run mythfilldatabase with the xml file

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sid3windr:

so it's a parameter I hand it then

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** sid3windr oogles **

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hads:

I think it will update all if using file.

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gbee:

sid3windr: normall xmltv grabber is run directly (& automatically) by mythfilldatabase

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sid3windr:

yeah :)

[20:35:32]

sid3windr:

that I know, but there's no standard grabber for .be that works and doesn't violate tos

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sid3windr:

;/

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hads:

Write your own :)

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gbee:

I assume EIT is not an option?

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sid3windr:

no, mostly analog cable

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sid3windr:

I haven't gotten EIT on my DVB-C card to work yet (it should apparently be there though)

[20:37:02]

sid3windr:

(but dvb-c only has 8 fta channels, the rest is nagra2+boxkey which i do not have)

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sid3windr:

I see some refresh options for mythfilldatabase but I can't really make out what the default is or what should be best to use :)

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sid3windr:

hads: writing my own would also violate ToS as it would mean screengrabbing $tvsite .. :)

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sid3windr:

unless it would use a scanner where I put the newspaper on it daily and it ocr's the data :D

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hads:

It's the grabber that specifies the options.

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sid3windr:

*idea*

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sid3windr:

yes, but I don't use a grabber.

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sid3windr:

:)

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hads:

I know.

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sid3windr:

I know you know! :>

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hads:

You were looking for the mythfilldatabase option, I was saying it's the grabber that does it.

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sid3windr:

yeah, but mythfilldatabase has options

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gbee:

--refresh-all

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sid3windr:

http://paste-it.net/public/sae0dc1/ <-

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gbee:

to lower the load you might prefer to use --refresh-today --refresh-second

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sid3windr:

I guess there's a reason why it doesn't refresh all by default, performance?

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sid3windr:

:)

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sid3windr:

on a not-clever-hardware I wouldn't expect it to make that much difference, no?

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gbee:

performance, load on the DB, especially with a couple of hundred channels is pretty heavy

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sid3windr:

I have about 30 channels atm :)

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GreyFoxx:

and waste the providers bw

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sid3windr:

well, the xml data is downloaded anyway for me now GreyFoxx so that doesn't really matter :P

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aclose|away is now known as aclose

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sid3windr:

but I see what you mean when using built in grabbers indeed

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sid3windr:

thanks guys :)

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gbee:

entirely possible that the default when using it manually with --file is equivalent to --refresh-all, it's just been a while since I was near that code

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hads:

From memory it is

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sid3windr:

it takes 20 sec to do a mythfilldatabase run for me, with --refresh-all

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sid3windr:

I guess perhaps the data was just bad

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sid3windr:

can't really check anymore, it was last week and the week before :)

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sid3windr:

has anyone here ever measured if you save power when you disable one of the 2 cores in a c2d setup?

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sid3windr:

I don't have a power meter thingy yet, but I don't see a drop in temperature or fan rpm :)

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bulle:

sid3windr: do the desktop c2ds even support that ?

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sid3windr:

well, you can offline it under linux and it disappears until you online it again. I don't know if anything actually changes in the hardware, that's what I'm wondering :)

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trumee:

guys, anybody has experience running mythfrontend on windows?

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trumee:

i saw this page http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Windows_Port and was wondering whether it is usable as a frontend

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iamlindoro__:

no, not really

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iamlindoro__:

And that's if the moon is right and the wind is at your back and you maange to get it to compile properly

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gbee:

actually very little feedback on that, at least that I've seen

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iamlindoro__:

The little I have seen has been largely that it's great if you yourself are interested in improving it, but that expecting a functional frontend may be a bit much at this point

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sid3windr:

I'll try that right now :)

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trumee:

it is a bit of a shame then :(

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trumee:

mythtvplayer development has stopped, so not much hope now

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iamlindoro__:

It's not a shame, you could improve it and be a hero to many :)

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sid3windr:

well, I had something halfassed streaming livetv

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sid3windr:

but I would prefer just having mythtv.exe doing my tv ;)

[21:17:50]

** iamlindoro__ wonders what's wrong with /usr/bin/mythfrontend **

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sid3windr:

the fact that my workstation OS doesn't accept forward slashes

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sid3windr:

is a good start :]

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iamlindoro__:

Your workstation OS is broken

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sid3windr:

that is correct

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sid3windr:

but it's not going to change :)

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iamlindoro__:

That's the spirit!

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JEDIDIAH__:

...something odd just sprung up today.

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JEDIDIAH__:

transcodes are failing against a particular channel.

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JEDIDIAH__:

...these are broadcast recordings from an HDHomerun.

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meshe:

just picked up a pvr-150 with MCE remote and blaster for $49.99

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, some of the TMDB grammar mistakes are bordering on chinglish

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meshe:

heh, they are $39.99 US: http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=36422& . . . promoid=1019

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sid3windr:

iamlindoro__: the channel the boobies is recording !

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iamlindoro__:

sid3windr, Someone if are planning a robbry!

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sid3windr:

:D

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sid3windr:

you win ;/

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gbee:

iamlindoro__: it will improve given time

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mzb_d800:

JEDIDIAH: sounds like it could be a reception/transmission problem

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gbee:

I don't wholly buy into the wiki idea and I _know_ wikipedia doesn't really work, but all the same

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iamlindoro__:

gbee, Yeah, I agree completely, it just makes me chuckle occasionally-- I always fix it, anyway

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laga:

gbee: too bad it works in practice ;)

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gbee:

spent 5 minutes looking at Wikipedia's recent changes page the other day, I was counting acts of vandalism every ~20 or so

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gbee:

considering there are hundreds of edits in that period ... they must spend most of their time just firefighting

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JEDIDIAH__:

I can seek through the recordings and they otherwise look fine.

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dashs:

mythcommflag do suck some cycles...

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JEDIDIAH__:

I figure it is some sort of subtle defect in the recording.

[23:07:05]

JEDIDIAH__:

nah.

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JEDIDIAH__:

commflagging isn't so bad. now transcoding will really suck down the cycles.

[23:08:20]

JEDIDIAH__:

I wouldn't mind being able to do n flagging jobs vs. 1 transcode job.

[23:09:28]

JEDIDIAH__:

...and my "bad broadcast recordings" didn't seem to trip up the commflagger.

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iamlindoro__:

"Personally I would prefer TMDb not to duplicate what is already available on IMDb (and theTVDb for TV series) and just be a site for backdrops and posters."

[23:31:22]

iamlindoro__:

translation: "I prefer to steal the good information, and for someone to keep giving me their free bandwidth for all my purty pitchers"

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sid3windr:

=)

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justinh:

mmm another 3 sizzling episodes of my favourite TV drama series watched

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iamlindoro__:

How many times do I have to tell you Fraggle Rock is *NOT* a drama?

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justinh:

roflmao

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justinh:

btw was it just me who'd have been more interested in having a whole series about the doozers?

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iamlindoro__:

It occurs to me I don't know if you guys ever got Fraggle Rock :)

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justinh:

oh but we got it alright

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justinh:

peak time saturday night viewing

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iamlindoro__:

woohoo, I have a couple seasons on DVD

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iamlindoro__:

Fond childhood memories

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iamlindoro__:

That + The Muppet Show

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justinh:

Muppet Show rocked. Fwaggle Wock.. sucked

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, I loved it as a kid, it did *not* suck IMO

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sid3windr:

lol@fraggle rock

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justinh:

I was more interested in the Doozer dudes

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sid3windr:

doozer, are those the trucks and stuff with the glass-like tubes and stuff?

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justinh:

I couldn't give a damn about the neurotic fuzzy ones

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justinh:

yup

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sid3windr:

yeah, I concur then =)

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sid3windr:

as I remember those, but not the rest

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justinh:

iamlindoro__: you might know this or not but the guy who played the lighthouse keeper, one Fulton McKay played an important part in one of the best UK comedies ever.. Porridge

[23:54:29]

iamlindoro__:

Indeed I did not :)

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iamlindoro__:

Whoahhhhh

[23:55:15]

iamlindoro__:

you guys had a totally different version

[23:55:19]

iamlindoro__:

That's insane

[23:55:36]

iamlindoro__:

I never knew them to do that for like-language speaking countries

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justinh:

really? hahaha

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justinh:

hey that was pretty keen of them actually

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iamlindoro__:

"In the British version, Fraggle Rock is a rocky sea island with a lighthouse, the actual location shown is St. Anthony's Lighthouse located near Falmouth in Cornwall. The wraparounds featuring the inventor "Doc" (Gerard Parkes) in North America are replaced in the UK by the character called "The Captain" (played by Fulton Mackay, and after Mackay's death by first John Gordon Sinclair as "PK" and later Simon O'Brien as "B

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iamlindoro__:

J") who lives in the lighthouse along with his faithful dog Sprocket, who sometimes sees the Fraggles but never seems to get his owner's attention in time. The rock is known as Fraggle Rock by the humans. In the German version, the action takes place beneath the workshop of the inventor Doc, played by Hans-Helmut Dickow. In France, the wraparound segments take place in a bakery."

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justinh:

see we probably thought it was another great Henson thing made here

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iamlindoro__:

sorry for the longish paste

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iamlindoro__:

US Fraggle Rock takes place in the bowels of Doc's Inventor's workshop

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justinh:

J.G. Sinclair. Oh duck. Shudder

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justinh:

and now, thanks to you iamlindoro__ I've got the damn theme tune stuck in my head. you bastard

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iamlindoro__:

I live to serve

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justinh:

it's one of them brain worm tunes

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