Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, March 19th, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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mjj29:

hrm

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mjj29:

I've mythfilldatabase'd

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mjj29:

and it's still just got "unknown" all over the place in the program guide

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mjj29:

argh

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mjj29:

Table './mythconverg/oldrecorded' is marked as crashed and should be repaired

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mjj29:

still

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mjj29:

excellent

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mjj29:

working now

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kormoc:

what's the term for the reverse of consume? prosume?

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iamlindoro:

produce?

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CyberKnet:

iamlindoro: I'd go with that :)

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Dagmar:

Vomit.

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kormoc:

well, I'm using it as the removal of stuff out of a pool, what's a good term for adding stuff into a pool?

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kormoc:

or what's a better word for the removal?

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CyberKnet:

add?

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iamlindoro:

check out/check in?

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iamlindoro:

lease/expire?

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kormoc:

hrm

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Dagmar:

Extraction

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CyberKnet:

fill/drain?

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Dagmar:

Filtration.

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CyberKnet:

:P

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kormoc:

drain/fill might make enough sense

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CyberKnet:

depending on the liquid... syphon :P"

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Dagmar:

Pool conditioning

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Dagmar:

I just turned on my brain, yes.

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kormoc:

Well, it's a resource pool

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Dagmar:

Oh.

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Dagmar:

You could call it "Resource Eugenics" then

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CyberKnet:

contribute/utilize?

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kormoc:

hrm

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iamlindoro:

drink/pee

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CyberKnet:

lol

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Dagmar:

You say that...

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CyberKnet:

peeing could actually add to the pool , and drink remove :P

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Dagmar:

http://failblog.org/2009/03/17/cola-fail/

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Dagmar:

o/~ "One of these things is not like the other..." o/~

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CyberKnet:

heh

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kormoc:

you know, failblog is so much nicer when you use adblock to block the comments

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CyberKnet:

the wtf extra today was awful and nsfw :(

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kormoc:

so the real WTF was that the WTF was a real WTF?

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Dagmar:

I don't think any HR director would think *anyone* could possibly find that tittilating

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: ya

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Dagmar:

Plus the last time I talked to teh HR lady about stuff like htat here, I didnt' remember to tell her to not google ANYTHING I mnetioned

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CyberKnet:

lol

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kormoc:

CyberKnet, so what is thie 'wtf extra'? not the daily wtf is it?

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CyberKnet:

i really hope you didn't pique her curiosity with anything too vulgar.

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kormoc:

I had a HR director that basically flashed us all the time, dated employees, did payroll reviews for them, was a mind-numbing idiot...

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: hmm... dunno. it was in the failblog rss feed today. maybe daily wtf.

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kormoc:

ahh, failblog != dailywtf

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kormoc:

dailywtf is a programming blog, so awesome, so sad

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CyberKnet:

aaah.

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Dagmar:

CyberKnet: She stopped after googling just three of the things I'd mentioned in passing

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kormoc:

goatse, tubgirl, lemonparty?

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CyberKnet:

*shudder*

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Dagmar:

She'd foolishly decided to follow up after hearing that I'd told a co-worker, "For god's sake close that search window now" when someone was looking up something about someone I'd mentioned... G.G. Allin

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Dagmar:

kormoc: Those were just a few of the thing I mentioned which were *not* as bad

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CyberKnet:

worse? egads. do. not. want. to. know.

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Dagmar:

Yeah if someone ever tries to show you video from a G.G. Allin punk show, "just say no"

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kormoc:

"In his last show the power went out during the second song, after which he trashed the venue and walked the streets of New York naked and covered in blood and feces, surrounded by fans whom he openly embraced. On VH1's Freakiest Concert Moments, Allin's final show ranked at number four."

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Dagmar:

Actually, you should probably just cut straight to threatening to kick their ass

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kormoc:

I really wonder what ranked #1

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Dagmar:

Someone with a tape like that won't be big on subtle cues

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Dagmar:

kormoc: Yeah most of the cities he tried to perform in did whatever was necessary to try and prevent it

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Dagmar:

...and they really couldn't be considered all that wrong for trying.

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Dagmar:

They stopped the Nashville show in time.

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Dagmar:

...which was kinda a mistake.

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LanUser:

Hello – NBC Nightly news sometimes has a horrible echo in it, no other shows exhibit this, is it an issue with the national feed or my local feed?

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Dagmar:

...because instead of being contained inside of a nice little dive bar that you could maybe burn to the ground later, he spent the evening going from party to party at various members of the punk scene's homes

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Dagmar:

LanUser: Probably your local feed screwing up

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

wow, that's epic of the folks who willingly let him in

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Dagmar:

They had come to see the show

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

there's still a level between getting poo on ya at a concert and getting poo all over your own house

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Dagmar:

I don't know that he stained anything but human minds permanently

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Dagmar:

Most punk clubs, well, a little fire could do them some good

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kormoc:

true

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iamlindoro:

WOW

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Dagmar:

Memphis wasn't so quick about shutting the show down

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iamlindoro:

Natasha Richardson died

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Yeah I'm a bit baffled by that myself

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iamlindoro:

That's crazy-- yesterday it was just a minor mild-injury accident :(

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Dagmar:

Not like I cared at the time, but I could swear earlier today I saw them mention on the CNNHN ticker that she'd been released from the hospital

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iamlindoro:

She was fine after the accident, then taken to a local hospital, then airlifted to NYC, now dead :(

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iamlindoro:

Crazy head injuries

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NightMonkey:

gbee: I just saw what you said about mpd in #mythtv... You sure it can't read tags?

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Dagmar:

Outback running commercials during Lost.

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Dagmar:

Somehow it feels triet

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Dagmar:

s/triet/trite/;

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Dagmar:

That razor commercial was... um... questionable.

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NightMonkey:

gbee: Ah, I see what you mean – it can read but not write tags. Nevermind. :)

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sphery:

gbee: So, I made a new movie at tmdb.com... What are the rules for movie posters? Can I just upload one from, i.e. http://www.movieposterdb.com/movie/1136683/100-Million-BC.html (or embed it or ...)?

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** sphery thinks that movieposterdb.com should have links to themoviedb.com on the movie pages **

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Dagmar:

To avoid any chance of copyright violations, they should require all image submissions to be drawn in crayon

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_abbenormal:

lmfao

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_abbenormal:

i like that

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sphery:

seems that you can only download high-res from movieposterdb if you upload posters or buy credits

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kormoc:

is it a 1–1 upload/download ratio?

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kormoc:

cause then you could buy one credit, download and then re-upload the same one and get your credit back!

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kormoc:

(I think so highly of developers/business plans these days...)

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

To get the highest res one of 100M BC, it takes 2 credits.

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sphery:

Wonder if the poster from the production company's page is fair game... http://www.theasylum.cc/product.php?id=138

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iamlindoro:

That's an actual movie? Sphery... we need to talk

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sphery:

heh... Sci-Fi channel original movie

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sphery:

free redbox rental

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iamlindoro:

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/seni . . . 77597_rs.jpg

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iamlindoro:

That's the largest I can find

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Dagmar:

Redbox has free rentals?

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sphery:

BTW, today is free rental day from redbox with code GTL456

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iamlindoro:

http://www.seyretal.com/wp-content/uploads/100.jpg

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iamlindoro:

altholugh that's the highest quality I can find

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sphery:

Every Wed in Mar (and the first in Apr)

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sphery:

And, redbox has some Blu-Ray, now

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sphery:

Unfortunately, you can't reserve online if you're using a promo code, so you have to go to the kiosk and hope the movie is still there.

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sphery:

--which is why I ended up with this one :)

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Batshua:

My Myth is acting funny. It will not save settings to record stuff. I can make the settings, but it says "Not Recording" when I check on whether or not it will be recording my shows.

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Batshua:

It doesn't seem to matter which shows I pick or which channels. (Obviously, I have not tried every conceivable combination.)

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sphery:

Batshua: almost definitely http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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Batshua:

I am getting no errors, it acts as is everything is fine.

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NightMonkey:

Batshua: Check DB permissions. And DB error log.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I think that last one I linked is your best bet

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iamlindoro:

sphery, best combination I can find of size and sharpness

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iamlindoro:

and lack of logos

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Batshua:

oh, cool

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Batshua:

That looks like an easy fix.

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sphery:

and lack of Japanese...

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Batshua:

I will try that out ASAP. Thanks for the fast response, y'all!

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sphery:

(only because I can't read it)

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sphery:

I'd hate to post one that said something I wouldn't want to post

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sphery:

I wonder if 100,000,000 is spelled 10000 in Japanese...

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sphery:

iamlindoro: besides, how bad can a movie be if it has Dad from Family Ties?

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Batshua:

I'll be back later if it doesn't work, but I'm bookmarking that page.

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iamlindoro:

http://www.themoviedb.org/movie/16123

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iamlindoro:

Get back to work, that entry sucks ;)

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sphery:

still working

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iamlindoro:

let us know when you're done with the fanart ;)

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sphery:

I'm looking for "International Homepage" (which I saw earlier and can no longer find)

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iamlindoro:

I got it into myth, people are going to damn well use it

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iamlindoro:

:)

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sphery:

Don't think I can do fan art for it... Shouldn't that be done by fans of the movie?

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iamlindoro:

you'er fan enough to create an entry :)

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iamlindoro:

er you're

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sphery:

Well, when I did, I didn't realize they'd put "Movie created by: sphery", "Movie last edited by: sphery" on the page... :(

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sphery:

Now the whole world knows I watched that movie.

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sphery:

It's not my fault, though, what with the end of SG-1, Atlantis, BSG, ...

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kormoc:

Least it wasn't something like Legally Blond 2

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sphery:

I'm jonesin' for some Sci Fi

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iamlindoro:

not to mention channel logs :)

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iamlindoro:

You mean you're jonesing for SyFy

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sphery:

No, no need for siffy

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sphery:

Then I'd have to get a shot or something

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kormoc:

Only if it lasts a few hours

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jamiem:

100,000,000 == 1:: ?

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Dagmar:

I'm switching back to Basic Cable if they rename it 'Syfy'

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, they already have

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iamlindoro:

http://www.canada.com/Channel+rebranding+itse . . . 0/story.html

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iamlindoro:

Well, effective July

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iamlindoro:

but already decided, anyway

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ColdFyre:

does mythtv-0.22_alpha19054 compile for anyone?

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iamlindoro:

19054 is ancient

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iamlindoro:

So can't speak to that revision, but today's trunk compiles fine

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iamlindoro:

20226 = current

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Dagmar:

There's still time to keep me as a customer

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like a Gentoo type thing, but presumably if someone did whatever they call their builds/packages etc. for it it should work

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ColdFyre:

19054 is the latest in gentoo

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iamlindoro:

if it's the "I'm running kernel 2.6.28 but myth won't compile thing" then you need newer source

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ColdFyre:

didn't realize it ws that old

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iamlindoro:

What's the point of running trunk if you rely on someone to package it up for you?

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iamlindoro:

just download the source and compile it, thought that's what you gentoo chaps were about ;)

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ColdFyre:

well, if i do that..then..things break

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iamlindoro:

why?

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ColdFyre:

gentoo has this elaborate system tracking programs, and if you manually compile, the nukes fly

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iamlindoro:

that seems counter to what they would have you believe about it :)

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ColdFyre:

it does compile everything, but it's all scripted

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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iamlindoro:

That's like going on the safari at disneyland :)

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iamlindoro:

I went on a safari! Really, where? *mumblemumble* What? *mumblemumble* Did you just say... disneyland?

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iamlindoro:

I compiled from source!

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iamlindoro:

Really? Using what?

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iamlindoro:

*mumblemumble*

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iamlindoro:

what?

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iamlindoro:

*mumblemumble*

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iamlindoro:

Did you just say... a script built it for you?

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ColdFyre:

*mumblemumble*

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, I'm not familiar with gentoo's build process, but if it just svn co's out a particular revision, can't you just change the rev?

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iamlindoro:

none of the build options have changed since then

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iamlindoro:

or, alternately, you could poke your packager

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ColdFyre:

i could create "an ebuild, ya"

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Lexridge:

I finally have a usable system again. I first upgraded from FC6 to F10, now I've had to fall back to Fedora 8, but my dual head is working as it should. :)

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Lexridge:

except I still have no sound. Crap!

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wagnerrp:

for some reason, my file transfers are abysmally poor

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JEDIDIAH__:

...it's worse than that.

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JEDIDIAH__:

The safari at Disney is like a fake safari park. It's like a bad copy of a bad copy.

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JEDIDIAH__:

never approach zebras with the windows rolled down unless you have a handout out give them. They're pushy buggers.

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wagnerrp:

i thought they drove you around on a bus type thing

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JEDIDIAH__:

Disney doesn't.

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JEDIDIAH__:

Er, Disney does.

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wagnerrp:

pretty sure they do

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JEDIDIAH__:

Yeah, the Disney thing is all very controlled.

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JEDIDIAH__:

No chance of getting pestered by an obnoxious Zebra or Ostrich.

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JEDIDIAH__:

sanitized.

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JEDIDIAH__:

kind of like Gentoo I suppose...

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wagnerrp:

so what were you talking about?

[02:30:08]

JEDIDIAH__:

No chance of coming nose to nose with an insistent Zebra.

[02:30:20]

** JEDIDIAH__ is talking about a proper safari park. **

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JEDIDIAH__:

There are safaris, and safari parks and then there is Disney.

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wagnerrp:

Life is screwed up.... a lot of artifacts in the feed

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wagnerrp:

plays fine, but its annothing enough that i need to re-record next time that episode is on

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iamlindoro:

I'm bitter the german's have gotten to see the end of Pushing Daisies

[02:53:32]

iamlindoro:

er Germans

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iamlindoro:

!trout iamlindoro possessive/plural

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** MythLogBot slaps iamlindoro with a possessive/plural trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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wagnerrp:

well you can always download and watch it... dubbed in german

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wagnerrp:

im sure that will add significant hilarity to an enjoyable show

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iamlindoro:

Given the amount of effort I spend complaining about thievery in here, that would be unwise :)

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wagnerrp:

perhaps

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iamlindoro:

DVD/BD has to come out eventually

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wagnerrp:

'a new witty, innovative show cant be dropped after only two half-seasons'

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iamlindoro:

?

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wagnerrp:

just commenting that dumber things have happened

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iamlindoro:

I doubt the Blu ray will be at a discount even though it's a half season :)

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Wicked:

hello all. i have backups of my mysqldb and i just reinstalled myth on a different computer. is it possible to just import all the recording rules i have?

[03:30:46]

iamlindoro:

yes, see Manual sections 23.5–23.7

[03:31:05]

iamlindoro:

shows you how to grep out recordings and rules

[03:31:30]

Wicked:

awesome. thanks iamlindoro :)

[03:31:34]

iamlindoro:

np

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sphery:

Wicked: though that's broken

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Wicked:

whats broken?

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iamlindoro:

trust sphery, he is the backup/restore master

[03:32:03]

Wicked:

ah

[03:32:05]

Wicked:

damn :(

[03:32:08]

sphery:

Wicked: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _plugin_data works

[03:32:21]

Wicked:

oh ok awesome

[03:32:56]

sphery:

if you want just the rules without plugin data, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _of_a_backup is broken, until you apply my patch at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6013

[03:33:10]

Wicked:

ah

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sphery:

and http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3762#comment:8 is how to fix the instructions in the HOWTO

[03:33:41]

sphery:

(but the script is a much better choice, IM-not-so-HO)

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Wicked:

hehe

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sphery:

See http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore (top 2 sections) for getting/configuring the script

[03:35:11]

Wicked:

ok. awesome. thanks again guys :)

[03:35:20]

Wicked:

you got all angles covered ;)

[03:35:26]

Wicked:

*you guys

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Wicked:

hmm. when im going to restore the database it says: ERROR 1046 (3D000) at line 22: No database selected

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Wicked:

i ran mysql -uroot -p < mythconverg-1214–20090316130002.sql

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kormoc:

mysql -uroot -p mythconverg < mythconverg-blahblah

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Wicked:

:-o ok thanks!

[03:46:43]

Wicked:

oh damn. it errored again: ERROR 1049 (42000): Unknown database 'mythconverg'

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clever:

then you need to create it first

[03:47:08]

kormoc:

you have to start with the mc.sql file first

[03:47:25]

Wicked:

oh hmm. i thought that was already done

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sphery:

Wicked: if you're doing a partial restore, you need to a) mc.sql, b) start mythtv-setup, c) exit mythtv-setup

[03:48:13]

sphery:

as described in the wiki page... *cough*

[03:48:54]

sphery:

if you're restoring with plugin data, you have to start mythbackend and mythfrontend instead of (or after) starting mythtv-setup

[03:48:59]

Wicked:

hmm ok. i used mythbuntu to install mythtv. ill see where the mc.sql is

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sphery:

I'm thinking it was in something like /usr/share/mythtv

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Wicked:

yea

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Wicked:

looking for it now.

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Wicked:

got it

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Lexridge:

I'm finally able to watch mythtv for the first time since this past Saturday. Yeah! :) What a painful experience. ;)

[03:58:19]

Lexridge:

HD never looked so good :)

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky, http://www.ajiraairways.com/

[04:06:31]

sphery:

Lexridge: what was causing the problem? (and congrats on fixing it)

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro: is there anything new on there? i was there a few weeks ago

[04:07:22]

mkrufky:

still just the "destination destiny" stuff, i think

[04:08:48]

mkrufky:

the "hdpvr" support in trunk — its only really needed for PLAYBACK, right? is there any reason i cant use 0.21 and use the hdpvr as a v4l2 encoder device, and just use something else to play back the recording?

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kormoc:

erm, no, it's capture too iirc

[04:09:11]

Lexridge:

sphery: The problem is probably the xorg-server v1.7, but I really have no idea. Trying to use such bleeding edge releases is a lesson I will not forget.

[04:09:40]

sphery:

heh

[04:10:02]

Lexridge:

sphery: It could also be KDE 4.2 as well, but even thought gnome sorta worked, it still opened all programs from screen1 onto screen0.

[04:10:06]

sphery:

yeah, there's much to be said for not-too-new

[04:10:15]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky, yes, capture support in trunk

[04:10:19]

Lexridge:

yes!

[04:10:25]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky, the v4l in myth is for framegrabber only

[04:10:46]

mkrufky:

iamlindoro: what about ivtv / blackbird / pvrusb2 ?

[04:10:59]

iamlindoro:

Those are "MPEG-2" capture card type in myth

[04:11:04]

mkrufky:

ah

[04:11:11]

Lexridge:

sphery: Not paying attention to what I was doing also cost me a ton of data too. :(

[04:11:27]

mkrufky:

so what if i lie and say hdpvr is mpeg-2 capture card .... is there any reason the recording wont work?

[04:11:39]

mkrufky:

id imagine its just a read() on /dev/videoX

[04:11:41]

iamlindoro:

yes, because it's not and that card type is ivtv-specific :)

[04:11:46]

iamlindoro:

and no, it's not :)

[04:11:52]

iamlindoro:

trust me, HD-PVr *will not work* in .21

[04:11:53]

mkrufky:

ok

[04:12:16]

mkrufky:

driver was merged into hg today — that's great news

[04:12:20]

iamlindoro:

yep

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Tanthrix:

Price come down yet on that bad boy, or is it still $250?

[04:19:24]

mkrufky:

i think there are certain places where you can buy it for less, but im not sure

[04:19:34]

Lexridge:

TigerDirect has them for $209 I believe.

[04:19:42]

mkrufky:

thats a good deal

[04:20:01]

Lexridge:

it may have been newegg. Can't recall for sure.

[04:20:10]

Lexridge:

certainly one of the two.

[04:20:41]

Lexridge:

I've had my eye on one too, but it's getting close to tax season. :(

[04:20:42]

mkrufky:

dell was selling it for less than 200 for one day only ...

[04:20:49]

Lexridge:

nice

[04:21:04]

Lexridge:

$199.95

[04:21:10]

mkrufky:

is that how much?

[04:21:17]

iamlindoro:

Have seen as low as 160

[04:21:21]

mkrufky:

i thought it was less , i just didnt remember the price

[04:21:34]

mkrufky:

$160 ?? how? it costs more than that to make it i think

[04:21:35]

Lexridge:

no idea, just kidding with a number than $200 :)

[04:21:45]

Lexridge:

no idea, just kidding with a number less than $200 :)

[04:21:48]

iamlindoro:

lowest person has been Dell, with a $25 off coupon

[04:23:32]

Lexridge:

if you see it ever again for $160, please alert the list. I'd bet a lot of us would purchase one at that price.

[04:23:50]

Tanthrix:

Yah, that's getting closer to being worth it for me.

[04:24:06]

iamlindoro:

http://www.geektonic.com/2009/03/deal-of-day- . . . pvr-165.html

[04:24:15]

iamlindoro:

about two weeks ago

[04:24:38]

sphery:

and at those prices, they have to sell a /lot/ of units to make up for the loss they take on each one

[04:25:19]

iamlindoro:

sphery, That's the kind of economics that has us in this sorry state of affairs :)

[04:25:27]

Lexridge:

this offer is apparently still valid, until 3/31/09

[04:25:52]

Tanthrix:

The HD-PVR is no longer on the site though.

[04:26:05]

Lexridge:

oh

[04:26:08]

Tanthrix:

Not just out of stock, but actually gone.

[04:26:22]

Lexridge:

maybe they sold a lot of them. :)

[04:27:54]

Tanthrix:

Looking at past auctions on eBay, I'm seeing a few units for $150, and quite a few at $200. That's one way to go.

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Wicked:

w00t. got my db all restored and mythtv up and working! thanks again guys. you rock :)

[04:35:40]

wagnerrp:

can you use the recording editor and transcoder from within mythvideo?

[04:35:41]

sphery:

Wicked: cool

[04:35:43]

sphery:

heh

[04:35:49]

wagnerrp:

forgot to clip a video before copying it over

[04:36:26]

sphery:

i'm guessing no, but iamlindoro would know

[04:37:49]

iamlindoro:

I believe not

[04:38:11]

iamlindoro:

Not that it wouldn't be possible to add, but none of the job stuff is hooked up to MV

[04:38:31]

iamlindoro:

Could probably steal 99%+ of the code and do it in an evening though

[04:39:03]

iamlindoro:

Someone (Not it!) needs to add seektable building before .22 anyway

[04:41:35]

wagnerrp:

how easy is it to manually add a recording?

[04:41:41]

wagnerrp:

s/easy/hard/

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iamlindoro:

pretty easy

[04:41:51]

iamlindoro:

just use the script

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wagnerrp:

the one for transferring files between backends?

[04:42:14]

sphery:

I keep saying I'm going to add seektable rebuilding to the Watch Recordings screen, but then I get distracted...

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sphery:

think he means myth.rebuild_database.pl]

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

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iamlindoro:

yar

[04:46:16]

iamlindoro:

These Dharma kids sure like blue

[04:49:46]

Lexridge:

was Lost a new episode tonight?

[04:49:53]

iamlindoro:

yep

[04:49:53]

mkrufky:

yes

[04:50:00]

Lexridge:

crap!!

[04:50:03]

Lexridge:

I missed it!!

[04:50:04]

mkrufky:

im not sure what u mean about blue, iamlindoro

[04:50:14]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky, All the cars and jeeps

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mkrufky:

Lexridge: why are u in #mythtv-users if u dont use mythtv ?

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iamlindoro:

indeed, we have myth to make these decisions for us :)

[04:51:08]

Lexridge:

mkrufky: Gimme a break, I just got my system fixed after being down for 4 days.

[04:51:22]

mkrufky:

tsk tsk — in the middle of the tv season

[04:51:29]

Lexridge:

lol

[04:51:56]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky, never mind you're getting an HD-PVR set up for a party this Friday ;)

[04:51:56]

wagnerrp:

screw it... ill just clip the commercials manually

[04:52:01]

Lexridge:

mkrufky: I'm still trying to figure out why I don't have 5.1....only stereo

[04:53:09]

iamlindoro:

up 42 days, 43 min, 5 users, load average: 0.01, 0.11, 0.19

[04:53:24]

mkrufky:

id actually so much rather capture bsg on firewire

[04:53:31]

iamlindoro:

Not too terrible for a primary backend that sees near-daily myth rebuilds

[04:53:38]

mkrufky:

but now im sure of it — scifi-hd is encrypted here

[04:53:42]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky, you mean like me? </rubitin>

[04:53:48]

mkrufky:

grrrr

[04:53:58]

Lexridge:

iamlindoro: I rebooted two servers at work a month ago running Fedora 6 that had an uptime of well over a year. :)

[04:54:18]

Lexridge:

I only rebooted them to move them into the new datacenter.

[04:54:22]

iamlindoro:

Lexridge, I have work servers > 365 days, but 42 ain't too bad for a home system

[04:54:33]

Lexridge:

not at all! :)

[04:55:16]

Lexridge:

my backend server has been up 21 days w/o reboot.

[04:55:28]

mkrufky:

im going to get going — night all

[04:55:33]

Lexridge:

cya man

[04:55:40]

iamlindoro:

namaste

[04:55:45]

mkrufky:

:-)

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Lexridge:

has anyone seen Babylon AD? I rented it today but have not yet watched it. Any good?

[04:57:18]

wagnerrp:

ive heard it had decent action, but is otherwise pretty mediocre

[04:57:28]

iamlindoro:

TMDB says 5.25/10

[04:57:37]

Lexridge:

that's bad! lol

[04:57:49]

wagnerrp:

bad? thats average

[04:58:11]

Lexridge:

I generally like the movies the reviews hate, so maybe this is a good thing ;)

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Lexridge:

I'm really looking forward to the new Trek movie.

[04:59:01]

iamlindoro:

yes, the new trailer is wicked

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Wicked:

hmm. i got a pvr-150 card and i use the blaster on it too and i just switched to 64 bit and i cant seem to get it to work. do i need a different firmware for the blaster?

[05:00:06]

Lexridge:

And if Paramount hadn't have screwed up and brought Voyager home, that would have made a great big screen film.

[05:00:26]

iamlindoro:

Ew, that show was awful

[05:00:28]

iamlindoro:

(IMO)

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Wicked:

i used the firmware i have always used and ran irw...irw does what it usally does but when i pressed buttons nothing was outputted and in dmesg i see a bunch of errors

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kormoc:

erm

[05:01:17]

kormoc:

a ir blaster is a ir transmitter, it doesn't receive

[05:01:28]

Lexridge:

iamlindoro: I liked Voyager. Especially the last two or three seasons. It was certainly better than Enterprise, but Enterprise was certainly getting better too.

[05:01:36]

Wicked:

well thats true.

[05:01:50]

Wicked:

so i guess neither are working

[05:02:28]

kormoc:

to test a ir blaster, the easiest way is to use a digital camera that has a 'live' view mode

[05:02:44]

Wicked:

heres the dmesg output from when i modprob the lirc modules and when i run irw http://pastebin.com/m11904b95

[05:02:59]

Wicked:

oh hmm neat.

[05:03:04]

Wicked:

lets see if my camera has that

[05:03:45]

Lexridge:

iamlindoro: What is your preferred ST series?

[05:04:08]

iamlindoro:

Lexridge, I don't think I have one... I watches some DS9 back when, that was okay

[05:04:35]

iamlindoro:

As at least it had some grunge... all the other Star Trek... ugh, the moralistic cleanliness... no thanks

[05:04:36]

wagnerrp:

ill always be partial to TNG... childhood nostalgia and all

[05:04:44]

wagnerrp:

never really watched any of the others

[05:05:03]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, so you never really liked star trek?

[05:05:20]

Lexridge:

TNG was very good. Picard was the TOPs! However, the original crew will always be my favorite.

[05:05:22]

Wicked:

i dont see that anywhere on my phone.

[05:05:29]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, I watched the old series a ton with my dad as a kid, so I have a soft spot for that I guess

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Wicked:

hmm. ill brb

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, As an adult I appreciate its ground breaking nature (and slightly tough-in-cheek approach), but the newer stuff always struck me as very sterile

[05:06:29]

Lexridge:

I even had the early 70s tricorder and phaser toys lol. wish I still had them

[05:06:32]

kormoc:

hrm

[05:06:41]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, I think that's what appeals to me about the Abrams version, the grittier approach

[05:06:43]

Lexridge:

sterile is a very good description of it.

[05:06:51]

kormoc:

I wanted TOS until my eyes blead, but I still enjoyed them all

[05:06:55]

kormoc:

*watched

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, I mean, even girl got drunk and nailed chicks, then comes TNG and.... wait, you can't get drunk? Nobody *ever* hooks up?

[05:08:26]

iamlindoro:

no money? Everyone's a preachy moralist?

[05:08:35]

** kormoc laughs **

[05:08:43]

Lexridge:

except for Data.

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iamlindoro:

and sorry, I meant even Kirk

[05:08:49]

kormoc:

Riker and Troi hooked up a few times, as did Picard and Vash, Data and Tasha

[05:08:55]

iamlindoro:

even kirk got drunk and nailed chicks

[05:08:56]

Lexridge:

Data got a lot of action lol

[05:08:58]

kormoc:

but it's true it's kinda sad that I can name most of them

[05:09:18]

iamlindoro:

But nobody was banging blue slave chicks

[05:09:21]

iamlindoro:

or green

[05:09:22]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, fanfic spilling out?

[05:09:23]

iamlindoro:

or whatever

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** kormoc laughs **

[05:09:27]

kormoc:

true

[05:09:31]

Lexridge:

lol, you did good. I remember all the episodes you mentioned.

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iamlindoro:

My dad used to call me a Denebian Slime Devil, does that count?

[05:10:01]

Lexridge:

lol, that is child abuse.

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** kormoc laughs **

[05:10:39]

wagnerrp:

no... sending a kid to kindergarten when all they speak is klingon... thats child abuse

[05:11:15]

Lexridge:

that would be abuse. ouch!!!

[05:11:47]

iamlindoro:

My dad was big into the old series

[05:11:47]

wagnerrp:

well, it was considered abuse, and they were put into foster care

[05:12:20]

Lexridge:

oh, you are serious then. wow!

[05:12:29]

iamlindoro:

My complaints aside, I'd probably enjoy TNG if they remastered in HD

[05:12:33]

kormoc:

erm

[05:12:52]

kormoc:

so if one kid who is sent to the school gets taken away for child abuse... what happened to the rest of the kids at the school?

[05:12:53]

Lexridge:

iamlindoro: it was shot on film, so it probably will happen someday.

[05:12:57]

Tanthrix:

I'd bet money that they've lost at least some of the 35mm film

[05:13:14]

iamlindoro:

It's my understanding that they shot on film, but then composited with the effects on video decks, so anything with effects would need to be redone

[05:13:19]

Wicked:

hmm weird. i restarted and it loaded fine. no errors this time. but when i run irw nothing is showing up in the output still. and i using the generic conf from http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/lmilk/lircd.conf

[05:13:22]

iamlindoro:

(the effects and compositing, that is)

[05:13:35]

Wicked:

no errors in dmesg when i hit buttons either

[05:13:44]

Lexridge:

iamlindoro: yea, I do remember reading that somewhere now.

[05:13:53]

wagnerrp:

i imagine any of the effects and compositing, for the entire show, could be done in a month or two

[05:13:55]

iamlindoro:

Lexridge, that said, perfectly doable, just $$$

[05:14:05]

wagnerrp:

they were not particularly spectacular

[05:14:25]

Tanthrix:

wagnerrp: It's a bit more involved than that. Just doing TOS took a long ass time.

[05:14:29]

iamlindoro:

no, they weren't, but you wouldn't be creating unspectacular, they'd need to be created commensurate with current technology

[05:14:35]

Lexridge:

iamlindoro: just like they've redone the fx on the original series for the BluRay release

[05:14:42]

iamlindoro:

while still looking okay composited against the original

[05:14:49]

iamlindoro:

Lexridge, yep

[05:15:33]

Lexridge:

I would like to have that, but I refuse to buy the original series for the forth time.

[05:15:47]

iamlindoro:

If they make me like Christopher Pike in the new movie, I may actually regret he becomes a creepy invalid

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** iamlindoro drools, the light in his chair flashes on and off **

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Tanthrix:

TNG is really awful quality. I just watched the whole series, and the first few seasons is really bad. An HD version would be a great thing.

[05:16:29]

Lexridge:

I did not realize Pike was part of the new movie. Interesting!

[05:16:55]

iamlindoro:

Lexridge, As I understand it, Eric Bana kills Kirks father to deprive him of a mentor, but old spock gets Pike to step in and mentor him

[05:17:24]

Lexridge:

cool!

[05:17:24]

Tanthrix:

About Season 4 of DS9 is when it starts getting more or less good. Stupid old, crappy digital beta!

[05:17:25]

iamlindoro:

Which explains him being a bit of a punk at the beginning

[05:17:51]

iamlindoro:

He's the "Couldn't believe it when the bartender told you who you are" guy

[05:18:11]

iamlindoro:

Sounds like Kirk papa saves the rest of the ship fighting The Hulk

[05:18:16]

iamlindoro:

but dies himself

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mzb_d800:

hi all, how do I determine the tuner being used by a particular frontend, so that I can then retrieve details from tunerList[]

[05:18:38]

mzb_d800:

eg: for LiveTV

[05:18:46]

Lexridge:

I need to look at some recent movie trailers. Sounds awesome!

[05:18:53]

Wicked:

hmm could this be wrong permissions on /dev/lirc0?

[05:18:54]

mzb_d800:

(everyone seems to be asleep in -dev;)

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iamlindoro:

mzb_d800, You could check the status page in mythweb or the system info screen in another frontend

[05:19:12]

mzb_d800:

no no ... in cpp

[05:19:20]

iamlindoro:

or read the backend log, and see the ASK_RECORDING line

[05:19:27]

mzb_d800:

no

[05:19:43]

mzb_d800:

I'm attempting to create a tri-state progress bar with mythlcd/lcdproc that shows watched/recorded/total rather than just watched/recorded

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iamlindoro:

erm... You want someone to write the code for you? (I'm not trying to be a dick, just trying to see what you desire)

[05:20:05]

mzb_d800:

(all pasted from #mythtv ... and I noticed you're in there too!)

[05:20:22]

mzb_d800:

no ... I just want to know exactly what I've asked.

[05:20:26]

Lexridge:

iamlindoro: We finally got our HD feed set up yesterday to Time Warner and Comcast cable systems. They were not very helpful in the changeover, but we got it done anyway. We are sending them an ASI signal with dual channels. Both claim they cannot decode the second channel, which makes no sense.

[05:20:32]

iamlindoro:

right, but in what form do you want your answer?

[05:20:44]

iamlindoro:

like, do you want to know what files to look at, do you want c examples?

[05:20:58]

mzb_d800:

do you have either?

[05:21:32]

Lexridge:

iamlindoro: As you have cable experience, any ideas where to tell them to look?

[05:21:46]

mzb_d800:

it's up to you how you answer the question ;) (if you choose to accept the challenge!) ;))

[05:21:49]

iamlindoro:

all the recording code is in mythtv/libs/libmythtv, mostly in tv_rec.cpp, and the variable is cardid for a given recording

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

Lexridge, I'm afraid I don't know, that's lower level than I worked at, I mostly dealt with material once it was actual in the headend and on the VOD carousels

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mzb_d800:

that's not how tunerList[lcdTunerNo] seems to be operating in lcdprocclient.cpp

[05:23:30]

iamlindoro:

mzb_d800, I'm not very well versed in the lcd code, but it wouldn't access recordings at that level, it would use programinfo as the interface

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iamlindoro:

ie pginfo->title

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iamlindoro:

pginfo->recstartts

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iamlindoro:

proginfo->recendts

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Lexridge:

iamlindoro: ah, okay. I can decode the ASI stream just fine with two Sencore demods, so I'm certain the problem is with TW, who hands the signal to Comcast.

[05:24:09]

iamlindoro:

Duration = (pginfo->recstartts / pginfo->recendts)

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wagnerrp:

mpeg2cut2 is not the ideal program to be doing recording cuts

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jackmurphy:

hey everyone – trying to get a snapstream firefly remote to work on ubuntu 8.10 – i have lirc installed – but when i click the remote – i get no output in irw

[05:24:15]

jackmurphy:

anyone have some ideas?

[05:24:18]

wagnerrp:

seems it borks the ts streams

[05:24:24]

wagnerrp:

had to remux it afterwards

[05:24:29]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, it does, and you do :)

[05:24:32]

mzb_d800:

it looks up _tuner_ status (afaict) among other things

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iamlindoro:

mzb_d800, that's probably all built into lcddevice.cpp in libmythdb

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mzb_d800:

I think I've worked out how to trace it back

[05:28:09]

iamlindoro:

lcd_showrecstatus most likely

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mzb_d800:

yep, thanks

[05:29:41]

mzb_d800:

actually lcd_showchannel is probably what I'm looking for

[05:29:55]

Wicked:

hmm. can anyone help me figure out what the right permissions for /dev/lirc* should be? i think this is a permission issue

[05:30:27]

mzb_d800:

... or a combination of the two

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mzb_d800:

gawd what an obtuse series of methods ... I guess there must be sanity there somewhere, and that I'll see it eventually ;)

[05:37:53]

iamlindoro:

mzb_d800, Yeah, good luck with that ;)

[05:38:00]

mzb_d800:

hmm ,thanks ;)

[05:38:08]

iamlindoro:

there are some substantial portions (mostly the ones that never get touched) that are oooogly

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mzb_d800:

it's one of thos "how hard can it be" sort of things

[05:38:30]

mzb_d800:

it's a maze! ;)

[05:38:34]

iamlindoro:

stuff that gets touched a lot tends to look okay, but the stuff that *never* does? Oy!

[05:38:40]

iamlindoro:

s/okay/pretty good/

[05:38:52]

iamlindoro:

See: Mythtranscode. Mythcommflag.

[05:39:06]

mzb_d800:

I've got as far back as HandleLCDTimerEvent

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sphery:

mzb_d800: don't know the "right" approach, but are you sure that it doesn't involve tvchain table?

[05:39:34]

mzb_d800:

looks at this stage I'm going to have to do separate lookups

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mzb_d800:

err, no idea sphery

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sphery:

I'd grep for code that hits tvchain

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... another direction to look ... thanks

[05:41:45]

** iamlindoro high-fives himself for writing the Watch Recordings->MythVideo export code **

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mzb_d800:

time to get blood back into feet and have rethink/recuperate

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sphery:

again, I'm just guessing, but hope it helps

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iamlindoro:

Go me!

[05:42:02]

iamlindoro:

So much easier and yay all the metadata intact

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mzb_d800:

thanks x2, I'll have a go again after I've done the next load of washing

[05:46:00]

** Tanthrix ponders buying an HD-PVR on eBay **

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wagnerrp:

what for?

[05:47:07]

wagnerrp:

why pay the same price on fleabay for something you can get retail

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Tanthrix:

Who said anything about paying the same price?

[05:50:08]

Tanthrix:

As I said earlier, a few have gone for $150 in the past month via buy-it-now, so it's likely such a feat will occur again if I'm patient enough.

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wagnerrp:

you have to ask youself WHY these are going for $150

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wagnerrp:

they have never retailed for under that

[05:53:53]

wagnerrp:

i doubt that hauppauge is letting these go to wholesalers at a price that $150 would be worthwhile

[05:54:13]

wagnerrp:

assuming that the ebay sellers was even able to buy a thousand units

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Tanthrix:

Well, in most instances they are second hand. A lot of people buy tech like that and don't end up using it, either because they don't know how or just because they did an impulse buy.

[05:54:36]

wagnerrp:

meaning this is going to be one that someone has bought, and is now broken

[05:55:00]

wagnerrp:

has bought, and can not use for whatever reason, so second hand and of who knows what quality

[05:55:09]

wagnerrp:

or has 'fallen off the back of the truck'

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Tanthrix:

I've been in roughly 90 eBay transactions over the past 5–6 years and have yet to have an issue with any gear, with one or two exceptions which were remedied by the seller.

[05:55:48]

Tanthrix:

Just gotta pay attention to who you're buying from, what their feedback is, how the auction is written, etc..

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wagnerrp:

i have no problem buying stuff off ebay

[05:56:12]

wagnerrp:

just buying stuff off ebay significantly under retail price

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Tanthrix:

$150 isn't quite in the territory of significant. Borderline, yes, but usually used tech loses 1/4 of its value the second it's taken out of the box. More with time.

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Tanthrix:

And some people, including myself, like to put very cheap buy it nows to get rid of things quickly.

[05:58:23]

Tanthrix:

That being said, I'd feel relatively safe buying a HD-PVR for $150 from a person with good feedback going back a few years. I'd sure test the hell out of as soon as I got it though, to make sure there weren't any stability issues.

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Tanthrix:

That is one thing I would worry about, since I seem to recall some of the units had some heating issues.

[05:59:34]

Tanthrix:

In reality though, I'll prolly just wait another year or two until retail comes down into the $100 range. As tempted as I am to enjoy more HD goodness. ;-)

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hmm if i stop lirc then run mode2 -d /dev/lirc0 i get permission denied. but if i run that as root i can see the raw codes when i hit a button. but for some reason i cannot get lirc working right

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Wicked:

i dled the generic lircd.conf from http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/lmilk/lircd.conf and it doesnt work.

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Wicked:

hmm. when im watching recordings or live tv...whenever i change the volume or goto browse the web.....the playback becomes jerky. pretty much whenever any osd comes up it makes the video all slow/jerky. any ideas on what might be the cause? i have a gtx260 vid card with nvidia drivers installed

[09:11:24]

Wicked:

*browse the channels....

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lyricnz:

Wicked: tried changing the osd theme, or blend-mode etc?

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gbee:

OSD theme won't make a difference, but disabling the OSD fade or changing the video rendering mode might

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sid3windr:

am I right in assuming there is no security in the mythtvosd thingy? :)

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sid3windr:

anyone on the network can broadcast to your frontend(s)?

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gbee:

correct

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sid3windr:

I was wondering about perhaps adding a <duration></duration> parameter, would that be accepted as a good idea? Without authentication I don't know if it's a good idea to allow 86400 seconds :]

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sid3windr:

but I would like something like callerid to be displayed longer than some other things

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sid3windr:

now the duration is only controlled in the frontend setup and is the same for everything

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justinh:

thank $deity it's Friday. Well, my Friday anyway :)

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jams:

iamlindoro- incoming email

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

mzb_d800: nice looking 7-segment font: http://mysite.verizon.net/~jartz/mythtv/lcd/b . . . -segment.jpg

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gbee:

it's a conspiracy, I don't really want to use VDPAU because it just isn't as good as ffmpeg but for some reason decoding SD has suddenly become a problem for this machine

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gbee:

I know the bitrates haven't changed so I'm at a loss to explain it

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

gbee: did you forget to feed the hamsters/gerbels? ;-)

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** justinh feels guilty for breaking in & replacing the motherboard with an epia m10k now **

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sid3windr:

lol justinh

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justinh:

gbee: remember when Virgin1 first came on air on freeview & I had problems playing back recordings from it? that couldn't have been a bitrate thing either ;)

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gbee:

heh

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justinh:

I really hope myth is able to filter extraneous PIDs better in 0.22

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gbee:

no reason for this machine to be struggling, it's faster than the one it replaced by a decent margin :/

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justinh:

yeah I remember that being the case with my newer frontend too

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justinh:

the age old buffer/timewarp issue IIRC

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gbee:

justinh: IIRC gnome42 (or was it someone else) was looking at fixes for the pid filtering

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justinh:

still tempted to mess about with the buffer code to see if fixing it to a reasonable set amount sorts it out

[14:14:31]

justinh:

stuarta said my log output looked like overshoot & undershoot of the buffer

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justinh:

be interesting to know how often the bitrate changes & whether or not that's a factor. if it is, it'll only get worse in future

[14:16:04]

justinh:

and if the problem _is_ the buffering code, maybe no amount of CPU will ever help

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justinh:

I certainly remember the issues I was seeing on my epia box weren't exactly CPU related. always < 30% CPU usage when it couldn't play BBC recordings properly

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gnome42:

yeah, I took a stab at fixing extraneous pid filtering, patch on #6314 needs someone to test it out.

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justinh:

is that it?

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gnome42:

justinh: ? that little patch you mean?

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justinh:

heh. be worth me fishing out my usb stick & getting the laptop near a good aerial feed to try it out

[14:22:18]

justinh:

yeah – I kind of expected loads more

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gnome42:

well there still could be more :)

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gnome42:

I can't test it, but that patch should solve one hurdle at least.

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justinh:

I'd love to see 'tv only, no subtitles, no AD' profile. Maybe I could take a swipe at that

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justinh:

I'd save oodles of space

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gnome42:

justinh: yeah, sounds reasonable. But lets get the existing stuff working first ;)

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justinh:

if $channels < 2 { throwthemthehellaway } etc :D

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justinh:

ahh. ignoring AD might be a bit more tricky

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justinh:

hmm. maybe not that tricky. is_audio might just need some wiggling

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justinh:

I should know better than to go looking in that code though. there be dragons & I could do some major damage casting ints all over the shop

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justinh:

dicking around in ui code is one thing, but breaking a recorder class.. oof

[14:35:21]

justinh:

not that anything I did would end up as a patch against a ticket mind. jees, I know better than that

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justinh:

er.. end up as anything but a patch I mean

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dashs:

How/when are past entries removed from the schedule?

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justinh:

hahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2FX9rviEhw

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dashs:

get lots of firewire errors in the log (Comcast dct 6200) — switch method?

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iamlindoro_:

I think that was a haiku

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iamlindoro_:

get lots of firewire

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iamlindoro_:

errors in the log

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iamlindoro_:

comcast dct6200

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iamlindoro_:

switch method?

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dashs:

iamlindoro: fro broadcast to whatever other (-p) protocol

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iamlindoro_:

peer to peer

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dashs:

iamlindoro: yes, or drop to 100mbits/sec

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iamlindoro_:

but "firewire errors" is awfully vague, so anything anyone told you would be a guess

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dashs:

IT's the error msg

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iamlindoro_:

You mean the whole, verbose content of the error message is "firewire error?"

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iamlindoro_:

I feel doubtful about that

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dashs:

Errors all saying "No input in 500msec..."

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iamlindoro_:

OK, then that's different

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dashs:

Errors all saying "No input in 550msec..."

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dashs:

etc

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iamlindoro_:

That means there's nothing coming out of the pot

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iamlindoro_:

port

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iamlindoro_:

which is usually for one of two reasons

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iamlindoro_:

a) The port is not primed

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iamlindoro_:

b) the channel is 5C

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dashs:

5C?

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jams:

iamlindoro_- did the email show up?

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iamlindoro_:

dashs: I recommend reading the wiki firewire page carefully, that's a basic concept that you should know before trying with firewire

[15:33:09]

iamlindoro_:

jams: Yep, thanks :) Did you hear about what happened with my changer?

[15:33:24]

dashs:

iamlindoro: works most of the time, though.

[15:33:25]

jams:

cool, just wanted to make sure virus scanner didn't eat it.

[15:33:35]

jams:

And yes i did read about the changer

[15:33:40]

iamlindoro_:

jams: Showed up with the front panel snapped off, all the retaining clips sheared through, and the power button broken off into the case

[15:33:41]

jams:

little bits and peices

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iamlindoro_:

dashs: So?

[15:34:15]

iamlindoro_:

dashs: That has nothing to do with what I told you-- the problem is *still* that the channel in question is 5C or the port isn't primed properly

[15:34:22]

jams:

are you able to get a replacment?

[15:34:29]

iamlindoro_:

jams: Yeah, but will take a while :(

[15:34:39]

iamlindoro_:

Shame, I was eager to play

[15:35:23]

jams:

know he feeling. Been waiting on GreyFoxx for over a year to commit his patches :)

[15:35:33]

dashs:

iamlindoro: all right

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iamlindoro_:

dashs: What method are you using to prime the port, and how often?

[15:36:32]

iamlindoro_:

If you are using any semi-reliable method with some regularity, then the problem is that the channel or program in question is 5C (firewire encryption)

[15:37:03]

iamlindoro_:

If you are *not* regularly (I do twice an hour in cron) priming the port, then back to the wiki with you

[15:38:42]

jams:

iamlindoro_ I hope the other party is paying for shipping to send it back? Those things are not cheap to ship.

[15:39:04]

iamlindoro_:

jams: They are... The bigger frustration is the interminable time

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d0netsFN:

hey is there any way to stream mythweb live?

[16:24:39]

d0netsFN:

i have to wait till its completely recorded to watch the whole thing

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justinh:

yes, there's a way to do it. unfortunately it requires you to write a nice patch to make it happen

[16:26:20]

justinh:

or else you have to wait for somebody else to do it, which I fear may take longer than waiting for an in-progress recording to finish :P

[16:27:07]

d0netsFN:

yea schiesse

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d0netsFN:

that sucks

[16:28:03]

justinh:

no it doesn't

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justinh:

not for me anyway

[16:29:37]

dashs:

In channel editor — when changing one attribute (such as visible) must you proceed to 'finish' with down arrow or can it be saved immediately?

[16:31:20]

justinh:

in mythtv-setup one must always 'finish' for changes to be stored

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justinh:

as opposed to the 'ok, leave half-cocked' button

[16:32:32]

dashs:

as opposed to user-friendly non-braindead interfaces.

[16:34:55]

meshe:

you don't necessarily want an interface that saves implicitly

[16:35:44]

gbee:

how many applications have you really seen where changes are saved without hitting save?

[16:35:45]

meshe:

especially one where a wrong keypress on the remote could change a field that you didn't notice

[16:40:49]

sid3windr:

ah yea, I asked it before but didn't get a real reply: am I the only one where checked and unchecked are +- identical in the settings? ;)

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sid3windr:

or is it my theme that is influencing it

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gbee:

theme

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sid3windr:

okay, if only this juski fella was still around!!11!one

[16:42:53]

Aryk:

neat. Ordered an IRblaster and it came w/o the cable...just a rs232 with a ir sticking out...

[16:43:07]

sid3windr:

shoulda gotten one from irblaster.info! ;)

[16:43:16]

Aryk:

that's the one I ordered

[16:43:19]

Aryk:

I am a bit shocked

[16:43:21]

sid3windr:

hm

[16:43:26]

sid3windr:

the wrong one maybe?

[16:43:39]

sid3windr:

hm no

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sid3windr:

doesn't seem like they offer one without cable per se :o

[16:43:47]

sid3windr:

odd

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Aryk:

exactly

[16:43:52]

sid3windr:

shoot off an email?

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Aryk:

silly humans

[16:43:56]

** Aryk fires off email **

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sid3windr:

=)

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gbee:

why would you want an IR blaster without cable?

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Aryk:

I don't...it'd be buried in the back of my computer under a pile 'o crap

[16:44:30]

Aryk:

:)

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sid3windr:

hehe

[16:44:35]

gbee:

although they might ask you to specify the cable length in the order ... if you failed to fill in that value, it defaults to zero?

[16:44:37]

sid3windr:

if you have a serial port in front!

[16:44:37]

sid3windr:

;)

[16:44:54]

sid3windr:

afaik there's just the paypal button then the address :]

[16:45:00]

** sid3windr ordered there twice **

[16:45:08]

sphery:

For anyone who's interested in measuring power usage, newegg has the P3 Kill-A-Watt for $19.99 and the promo code EMCLPMX36 gives you free S&H.

[16:45:22]

Aryk:

there is a contact at the bottom

[16:45:26]

gbee:

I had to supply the length when ordering a receiver from a German guy

[16:45:29]

** Aryk waited 3 weeks for this thing too **

[16:45:30]

sphery:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882715001

[16:45:31]

Aryk:

heh

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sid3windr:

if only the kill-a-watt accepted EU plug and 220V!

[16:45:50]

gbee:

sphery: free S&H to the UK? :p

[16:45:57]

sphery:

heh

[16:46:09]

sphery:

yeah, good for those of us in the US

[16:46:12]

sphery:

(maybe Canada)

[16:47:23]

gbee:

I've been wanting an equivalent for some time, Maplins keeps offering it for £10 as a special offer but either they run out of stock or it's gone back up to the normal £30 by the time I get down there :/

[16:48:15]

sphery:

I've found that on my Athlon XP systems, it's costing me ~$1.30/mo to run SETI@home. On my Sempron systems, it's costing me almost $4/mo... (The Semprons are newer and idle at /much/ lower power usage.)

[16:49:03]

** Aryk is thinking of setting up a geothermal plant to use the heat off of his system to produce elec **

[16:49:05]

sphery:

I've been replacing PSU's that save anywhere from $0.80/mo to $1.75/mo...

[16:49:18]

sphery:

Aryk: where at?

[16:49:28]

Shadow__X:

sphery, wouldnt newer systems give a better perf/power ratio

[16:49:31]

gbee:

sphery: put in those terms ...

[16:49:31]

Aryk:

vancouver, bc, canuck

[16:49:59]

sphery:

Shadow__X: yeah, but /only/ if I get a low-TDP 64-bit system...

[16:50:21]

sphery:

The Semprons are newer than the Athlons, but they're not the new 64-bit architecture.

[16:50:44]

sid3windr:

so um

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sid3windr:

how to save money.. NOT run seti@home :p

[16:50:55]

sphery:

Aryk: cool... Around here (in the US), geothermal is mainly used for heating/cooling.

[16:51:04]

Shadow__X:

ah what about the amd e with 45watt tdp

[16:51:11]

sphery:

sid3windr: yeah... But then we'll /never/ find the aliens.

[16:51:36]

sid3windr:

there are a few aliens if I browse through my mythvideo

[16:51:40]

sid3windr:

alien 1, 2, .. :p

[16:51:43]

sphery:

Shadow__X: Yeah, I'm seriously considering replacing a bunch of my old systems with newer mobos/CPU's just for power savings.

[16:51:48]

sid3windr:

or is that alien, aliens, ..

[16:51:56]

Aryk:

I work security in a mall, there are lots of aliens there

[16:51:59]

sid3windr:

saving power, spending big on psu

[16:52:35]

sphery:

The PSU's were pretty cheap (and are replacing ones that are failing). $29.99 to $39.99. (I only buy when they're on sale.)

[16:52:42]

sid3windr:

oh

[16:52:48]

Shadow__X:

sphery, yeah i mean i havea 2350 as one of my backends and all though its not the fastest thing it runs super cool and sips power

[16:52:52]

sid3windr:

you get a 80+ PSU for 40 bucks? :O

[16:54:03]

sphery:

Shadow__X: cool. I still have to measure my frontend system (Athlon X2 6000+) to see the power usage difference between SETI/no-SETI. (Though it's a high-TDP processor, I figure the relative difference between idle/max'ed is probably similar to low-TDP procs.)

[16:54:35]

gbee:

I went for the 4850e when picking the CPU for this new machine, not sure what difference it really makes, but I have to figure the lower TDP is preferable

[16:54:42]

sphery:

I also have a 65W Athlon X2 5200+ that doesn't run SETI (I don't run the machine except when I'm doing Myth development). I may set up SETI on it for a while just to measure with it.

[16:54:49]

Shadow__X:

maybe it all depends toms hardware showed that some of the amd low watt processors can run full load without a fan

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gbee:

Shadow__X: they definately run cool, but whether that cool?

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meshe:

in the thread about using the new mac mini as an FE one poster said his was using 35W playing HD

[16:56:06]

gbee:

it would depend on the case, airflow around the case/room, the average and max ambient temps etc

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Jachred:

Anyone help me with Myth-TV error?

[17:07:53]

sphery:

depends on the error

[17:08:05]

Jachred:

Cannot Display Video Error when changing channels

[17:08:09]

iamlindoro_:

Nope, only OpenOffice support here

[17:08:45]

Jachred:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/347055 is a post I found with the same problem.

[17:09:21]

Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, how do i open docx

[17:09:23]

sid3windr:

iamlindoro_: why is it so slow!

[17:09:35]

iamlindoro_:

Sorry, only vi support her

[17:09:37]

iamlindoro_:

here

[17:09:49]

meshe:

iamlindoro_: vi works, why doesn't open office?

[17:09:51]

sid3windr:

iamlindoro_: why is it so hard to use!

[17:09:52]

Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, how do i copy a full line

[17:10:02]

sid3windr:

(now you dunnit)

[17:10:07]

iamlindoro_:

Sorry, only Hunt the Wumpus support on the TRS-80 here

[17:10:23]

** Shadow__X ran out of material **

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** sid3windr too **

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Jachred:

I had a C64, but not that game

[17:10:55]

iamlindoro_:

"How come I went into those caves with only a single arrow?" would suffice

[17:10:59]

sid3windr:

sorry, my first computerized thingy was an XT ;/

[17:11:07]

sid3windr:

and I didn't have hunt the wumpus, just pacman :]

[17:11:41]

Aryk:

zork!

[17:11:43]

iamlindoro_:

Pfft, you kids and your graphics

[17:11:54]

iamlindoro_:

I was being eaten by grues when you were having your diapers changed!

[17:11:56]

sid3windr:

320x200 cga powar.

[17:12:10]

Aryk:

you are in a room, there is a door to the right with loud growling and crunching noises. There is also a door to the left

[17:12:18]

sid3windr:

eat pillow

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** gbee reads back, Open Office is slow? Huh? **

[17:12:53]

sid3windr:

no avgn fans here :(

[17:12:57]

** iamlindoro_ lays his towel on the drain, puts the junk mail in front of the slot, puts the satchel on the robot, and presses the cending machine button **

[17:13:04]

sid3windr:

KEN SENT ME!

[17:13:04]

iamlindoro_:

vending

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** iamlindoro_ waits **

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sid3windr:

you waited gumby off the net

[17:13:39]

** Aryk requests some of iamlindoro's meds ;) **

[17:13:48]

iamlindoro_:

With a flurry of activity, the babelfish lands with a satifying plooop in iamlindoro's ear

[17:14:07]

gbee:

ugh, text based adventures drove me mad, especially the really obscure puzzle solutions

[17:14:22]

iamlindoro_:

gbee: That solution is by far the most obscure IMHO :)

[17:14:28]

sid3windr:

I liked the (graphics powered indeed) sierra ones ;)

[17:14:33]

iamlindoro_:

The hitchhiker's guide babel fish puzzle

[17:14:59]

iamlindoro_:

it may be second to the pocket lint puzzles or the "get no tea" puzzle

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Aryk:

not only is this IRBlaster not what I ordered, it doesn't appear to work

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kormoc:

I really should play that one

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: just for you... http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/3/18/

[17:37:50]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: hehehe

[17:38:13]

sphery:

If I didn't realize how busy kormoc is with the MythWeb conversion to Python ;), I'd ask him to fill out the Gentoo ebuild portion of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging

[17:38:38]

** kormoc laughs **

[17:38:39]

sphery:

seriously, though, don't waste your time on it, kormoc--as your time is better used on MythWeb

[17:38:53]

sphery:

But, I wonder how long it will be before someone actually fills in that info...

[17:38:58]

iamlindoro_:

What's up with the (official?) gentoo trunk build lagging 100+ commits behind, such that it's actually incompatible with their current kernel?

[17:39:00]

iamlindoro_:

er 1000+

[17:39:24]

kormoc:

Cardoe hasn't had much time

[17:39:28]

iamlindoro_:

ah

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sphery:

did they stop just before the Qt4 conversion?

[17:39:38]

kormoc:

nah, long before

[17:39:46]

iamlindoro_:

no, but it's a 19xxx revision

[17:39:56]

iamlindoro_:

so it's missing the DVB API c5 fix

[17:39:59]

iamlindoro_:

er v5

[17:40:01]

kormoc:

which is why, https://www.kormoc.com/trac/browser/portage/media-tv/mythtv

[17:40:22]

sphery:

I wonder how they'll handle the corrupt DB's caused by the MySQL-server misconfiguration

[17:40:35]

iamlindoro_:

Hmm, I wonder if the guy in yesterday was using one of yours, just two or three revisions old

[17:40:57]

sphery:

If janneg applies the patch on #5070, it would at least stop the upgrade from breaking DB's worse, but then they'll have to do things manually.

[17:40:59]

iamlindoro_:

192xx sounds about right for what he was trying, he said it was "the latest in gentoo"

[17:41:46]

kormoc:

sphery, so the short end of the stick is, with mine, add the debug flag and reemerge myth and it'll add debugging symbols ready for debugging. In the official one... it's not really easily done without editing the file

[17:41:53]

sphery:

I really don't feel like writing code to actually fix the DB's (as how to do so differs based on the charset in use--and whether it's latin1 or not)

[17:42:20]

** iamlindoro_ elects kormoc official Gentoo packager **

[17:42:24]

sphery:

kormoc: wasn't Cardoe looking at using yours for the official one (or at least taking ideas from it)?

[17:42:35]

kormoc:

Aye, he was going to but never got around to it

[17:42:35]

iamlindoro_:

congratulations, get back to work

[17:42:37]

iamlindoro_:

;)

[17:42:41]

kormoc:

heh

[17:43:21]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, with mine, just renaming the file will pull the specified release and work fine, so even if mine doesn't match to the exact same version, he might be just doing that

[17:43:27]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: think I need to add a section for exherbo on that Debugging page?

[17:43:58]

kormoc:

although, I need to add in a 'experimental feature' flag, as currently mine will compile in the auto-zoom stuff

[17:44:03]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: I believe they would say something more or less like "If you need instruction on debugging, you shouldn't be here"

[17:44:04]

sphery:

Just say, "We would help you, but if you need help, we don't want you to use exherbo. Not that we don't like you, but we don't."

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kormoc:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

ugh, does it irritate anyone else when JYA writes "Now I'll have much more time to continue my work on VDPAU..."

[17:46:19]

iamlindoro_:

His work?

[17:46:32]

iamlindoro_:

What'd *he* do? Perfect the usage of Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V?

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kormoc:

Yeah, he's a candidate for the 'Go Die In A Fire' award

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Yeah. A lot of users seem to be giving him a lot of credit for VDPAU work rather than backporting it

[17:47:32]

iamlindoro_:

I think setting himself up as the focus of the worship irritates me much more than the backport itself

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GreyFoxx:

which is a very different beast

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: based on his, "How do I reset <insert mythtv configuration section>," posts to -users, he seems to have broken his DB many times. :)

[17:48:10]

sphery:

It would be nice to have standardized breakage. Then it wouldn't be so hard figuring out what users did to their DB's.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: heh

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Dibblah:

iamlindoro: That isn't what worries me.

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Dibblah:

"I'm merging much more now so most of the fixes in trunk will be available in 0.21-fixes."...

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Dibblah:

That, however, fucks me off no end.

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sphery:

Dibblah: but then all those unstable features in trunk will be stable--because, after all, 0.21-fixes is stable

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iamlindoro_:

Dibblah: Of course he means "those which I agree with" as apparently he only merges those

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sphery:

Seems like a win/win

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iamlindoro_:

lest we forget the 1x deinterlacer debacle

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sphery:

well, the do-nothing-and-wait worked for him on that one (as, TTBOMK, nvidia has now fixed the 1x deint, right?)

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iamlindoro_:

I knew they had planned to, don't know the current status TBH

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sphery:

I'm not sure, either, but was basing that on some partial comments I had seen in #mythtv

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iamlindoro_:

Dibblah: Re-read what you said more carefully now-- yeah, 'cause lord knows VDPAU is the only thing found in trunk of any value

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gbee:

I'd be tempted to explicitly thank those who actually implemented the VDPAU stuff in the release notes and release announcement

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GreyFoxx:

Absolutely

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iamlindoro_:

It'll be moot after the next ffmpeg sync

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iamlindoro_:

as he can't backport any more after that (without a TON of work anyway ) :)

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sphery:

didn't he already backport an ffmpeg resync to get the VDPAU in there?

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iamlindoro_:

API for accessing VDPAU will change entirely, so he'd have to backport the ffmpeg sync

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kormoc:

Yeah, he did iirc

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iamlindoro_:

I didn't think he went that far at all

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iamlindoro_:

could be wrong, though

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kormoc:

I think he just did a merge and TF for all the conflicts...

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: do you mean because of VA-API? If so, AIUI, Myth may choose to continue to support direct VDPAU to take advantage of features not avialable through VA-API.

[18:38:15]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: No, I mean because of the hwaccel API

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iamlindoro_:

which will lay on top of both VDPAU and VAAPI

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sphery:

oh... I don't follow ffmpeg dev (still haven't gotten around to starting to read it), so I am clueless about that.

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sphery:

Hmmm... A renewed interest in solar on the -users list or just another thread turning into a flame session?

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justinh:

needs a magnifier to turn it into flames IMHO

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justinh:

sid3windr: if people had concerns about the visibility of tickboxes in setup etc they had ample opportunity for me to ignore their requests

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sid3windr:

:D

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justinh:

honestly though – I've never seen wtf people are going on about. they work fine for me or I'd have done something about it

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sphery:

setup as in mythtv-setup/mythfrontend settings? If so, they probably just need to change their QT Theme.

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sid3windr:

justinh: I'm not the only one "complaining" ? (mind the quotes) or am I ?

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justinh:

sid3windr: I've seen the comment about setup stuff in general more than once

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sid3windr:

ah

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sphery:

IIRC, the default theme used by Qt is nearly impossible to tell if checkboxes are checked in a 10-ft UI.

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sphery:

Platinum theme works well.

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sphery:

change it in mythfrontend settings

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sid3windr:

hmm

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justinh:

never mind it'll soon all be over

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justinh:

I never liked qt widgets. hated would be a better word

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sphery:

yeah, some of mythtv-setup screens are even being converted to mythui...

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wagnerrp:

i think ill need a nuclear reactor to power my mythtv setup

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justinh:

fine on the desktop. absolutely impotent in 10' interfaces

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justinh:

but mustn't grumble really – they were all we had available at the time

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justinh:

won't be at all sad to see the back of qtlook.txt if I ever touch a theme again

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justinh:

keep the fanmail coming

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justinh:

oh chuffing eck. the loser who bought my wife's tickets seems to be a tout judging by the items he's been buying

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GreyFoxx:

A "tout" ?

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justinh:

yeah, people who buy & re-sell tickets

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gbee:

ticket tout, resells tickets at vastly inflated prices

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh ok

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justinh:

usually at a massive profit

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jams:

ah you mean scalper

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justinh:

feedback he's had implies he's a fast payer. dunno what other people call fast but more than 48 hours is slow by my standards :)

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GreyFoxx:

What they call a scalper over here

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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justinh:

ah wth if he doesn't pay up I'll take the neg feedback. not as if I use ebay much anymore anyway

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iamlindoro_:

Fun, three more Bond movies on Blu Ray on Tuesday-- too bad only one (Goldfinger) is good (vs. Moonraker, The World is Not Enough)

[19:46:26]

iamlindoro_:

oh, and it's four movies-- Quantum of Solace too

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kormoc:

but the theme song to world is not enough is quite good

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iamlindoro_:

Heh

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gbee:

theme is good, just switch off after the initial credits

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iamlindoro_:

I must say the quality of Dr. No/Thunderball/From Russia with Love was pretty fantastic for a 60s movie remastered for modern audiences

[19:47:59]

iamlindoro_:

You get a much better sense of what it must have been like to watch on an original print

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kormoc:

it's even funnier/sadder that I say that if you know who wrote/sang it and my last.fm profile

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gbee:

wonder what happened to Garbage

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iamlindoro_:

I knew it was Garbage :)

[19:48:43]

iamlindoro_:

I actually liked them a lot, but you're right, haven't heard from them for a while

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kormoc:

they're on a 'break' and Shirly is on tv (Sara Conner Cronmisspelledhere)

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gbee:

nowt wrong with Garbage, not my favourite band, but there are a few tracks in my collection

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iamlindoro_:

She's a terminator :)

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gbee:

they also made the soundtrack to Gran Turismo what it was

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kormoc:

http://www.last.fm/user/kormoc Top Artists

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iamlindoro_:

Shirley Manson is much better looking when not made out of liquid metal

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kormoc:

and 10 years younger

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iamlindoro_:

Ugh, make that five bond movies-- that's odd, releasing a three pack to coincide with a new movie I get... but one random movie outside of that?

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iamlindoro_:

At least it's Connery...

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iamlindoro_:

(Never Say Never Again)

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iamlindoro_:

Oh well, at last a way to spend those Best Buy gift cards my mother thought I would love at Christmas

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kormoc:

Quantum of Solace was weird

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iamlindoro_:

Great idea, crap cinematography

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iamlindoro_:

*hated* the quick cuts that left you wondering what was going on

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kormoc:

Girls were goot at least

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kormoc:

but yeah, it was odd

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gbee:

still, not the best Connery and the franchise had already been tainted by Moore

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iamlindoro_:

Yes, the girls were nice :)

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sphery:

speaking of quality of old shows... Why is it that when I watch an 80's show rebroadcast, it looks /really/ bad--kind of like the 70's shows rebroadcast in the 80's looked. But, the 80's shows seem to look /much/ worse than I remember them looking when they were originally broadcast.

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sphery:

Is my "quality scale" just sliding or do the recordings degrade in quality over time

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sphery:

(at least for the pre-digital era)

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gbee:

well in the 80s you'd never seen the 90s stuff

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: Yeah, Dr. No/From Russia With Love/Thunderball are already out (and in my MythVideo) so that leaves Goldfinger of the core great Connery films

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sphery:

I'm talking mainly picture quality/graininess/...

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shadn_:

awesome

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sphery:

(versus style/etc)

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iamlindoro_:

in the 80's lots of the filming moved to tape, FWIW, or filming on film and compositing/etc. on tape

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iamlindoro_:

Which is why so many of the 80's shows will never see HD masters, but 60s and 70s stuff can/will

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sphery:

hmmm.

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kormoc:

Haha! Screwed by tech!

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gbee:

picture quality in the stuff imported from the US has always looked pretty bad over here, until the last few years, attributed that to production for the low res NTSC but also the use of terrible cameras – weird and almost artificial colours/lighting always marked out most US TV for me

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iamlindoro_:

Oh what the crap

[19:58:40]

iamlindoro_:

They've added *another* optional audio codec to the Blu ray spec

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sphery:

yeah, I'll admit that NTSC is garbage (and not the Shirley Manson kind)

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iamlindoro_:

and as always, one totally made up that nobody's heard of

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: err, isn't the danger of adding stuff to the spec after players etc have shipped that people will end up with discs they can't play?

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: of course, some company realized that they're not getting any royalties from licensing, so they submitted their stuff for inclusion

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: It appears it's some chinese-backed format (DRA) so my guess would be they added it so that the Chinese could ship it on their disks

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sphery:

gbee: Danger? Wouldn't that mean that all the sheep will just go out and spend some more money on a new player? ;)

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iamlindoro_:

From 5 minutes reading it looks like an AAC clone to keep from paying license fees

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: I wonder if it's one from their Chinese-developed DVD replacement (which keeps them from paying royalties)

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iamlindoro_:

Not that the Chinese have classically worried much about license fees

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gbee:

the early adopters would be prepared to get burnt, but Blu-Ray is past that stage and anything that prevents the general populance from watching their legitmately purchased material would spark a massive backlash

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iamlindoro_:

Probably as likely to ever appear on a disk in the First-World as the US is of using the h.264 version of ATSC

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sphery:

yeah, at the point that HD-DVD died, Blu-Ray could no longer be considered an "early adopter's" tech

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: I've heard that all the mobile ATSC plans at this point are based on h.264

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iamlindoro_:

yes, mobile aside

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sphery:

(as current ATSC basically won't work with moving antennae)

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sphery:

So, if broadcasters use h.264 for mobile, why wouldn't they switch it all to h.264?

[20:04:35]

sphery:

of course, that's assuming anyone ever finds a need/desire for mobile ATSC

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iamlindoro_:

So the BDA says you can use DRA as long as you incorporate the ever-important DRM

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iamlindoro_:

FWIW

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sphery:

BDA?

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sphery:

Beijing Economic and Technological Development Area (BDA)

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sphery:

or Blu-Ray Disc something?

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iamlindoro_:

Bluray Disk Alliance

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sphery:

heh, funny

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sphery:

the other one is real, too

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stuarta:

evening all

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gbee:

"kormoc left the group Amarok Users." well I should hope so too!

[20:10:27]

gbee:

g'evening stuarta

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stuarta:

evenin, having fun attempting to build new media centre pc

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stuarta:

step 1, try to work out how to get tv to show display in X

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kormoc:

gbee, heh, yeah...

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sphery:

So, can't find any info on CODEC's for Red-Ray, the Chinese HD "NVD" (Next-generation Versatile Disc). Wonder if that's where DRA came from.

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gbee:

ugh, newbies

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: It's a 12 B disk so I'm sure it's fantastic :)

[20:15:25]

iamlindoro_:

er 12 GB

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sphery:

yeah

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stuarta:

12B is a tad small :)

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iamlindoro_:

stuarta: But results in *extremely* portable disks ;)

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kormoc:

It fits on a gnat's eyeball!

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stuarta:

or a pinhead

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sphery:

stuarta: the 12B disc looks like a clock, with pits where the minutes would be, but there are twice as many minute markers :)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Their EVD (DVD alternative) used a home grown codec, and since this was ostensibly developed to avoid royalites, I would assume it would be the same case, if not the same codec

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I'd put my money on it being this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP7

[20:18:42]

iamlindoro_:

VP6 was their codec for EVD

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wagnerrp:

i thought VP6 was the one used for flash

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sphery:

which was the one that was the basis of Ogg?

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sphery:

(Theora, that is.)

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: yes, that too

[20:20:05]

wagnerrp:

looks like vp3

[20:20:09]

iamlindoro_:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP6

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wagnerrp:

since VP3 now redirects to Theora

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sphery:

assuming these are all incremental improvements, I can't see, even, VP7 or VP8 being hugely better compression than Theora

[20:21:48]

wagnerrp:

well flash video has always been pretty mediocre

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wagnerrp:

although i dont know how much of that is just due to it typically being low bitrate

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iamlindoro_:

Flash video can be any of VP6, multiple variants of h.263, or h.264, though

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iamlindoro_:

so in theory with adequate bandwidth you could make stellar looking flash video

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wagnerrp:

well h.264 only got added in flash 9

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wagnerrp:

i dont know about h.263

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSFDrOxWCXY awesome. BSG at the UN haha

[20:24:44]

iamlindoro_:

ABC's flash streaming (at least, the last time I looked at it) was HD and nice-looking-for-streaming

[20:24:50]

iamlindoro_:

SO SAY WE ALL!

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iamlindoro_:

Edward James Olmos is a dork

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iamlindoro_:

Who yells that at the UN?

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GreyFoxx:

hahah

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GreyFoxx:

You know what, dork or not, he's right

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iamlindoro_:

The admiral needs to cut his hair

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

I'll bust him back to commander so fast...

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Ever get a chance to play with the Episode/Season support + TV grabber?

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GreyFoxx:

nah I didn't yet. have a big work project due tomorrow at 11am I've been working on

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iamlindoro_:

cool

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** GreyFoxx heads home **

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GreyFoxx:

later :)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Regarding 'theming' the LCD screens – got any thoughts on the 'proper' way to implement it? I mean – should I start with 'hardcoded' options in the mythlcdserver, and then expand and grow it as it evolves?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: or should I try to start right off with screens stored in a sql table...

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Well, if you want it to be truly modular then it ought to parse XML like everything else (see libs/libmythui)

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iamlindoro_:

ie create a series of LCD "widgets" along the lines of those in mythui-- even better, you could add a window to the mythui stuff for each screen and make certain information available and it could be themed along with the rest of the UI

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iamlindoro_:

ie each screen would have a <window name="lcd"> and the themer could theme the LCD right along with the actual graphical stuff

[20:34:49]

iamlindoro_:

add displayed text as textareas, progress bars as mythuiprogressbars, etc.

[20:39:01]

sphery:

I just don't get the guy who has all his disks on his master backend and a) complains that without NFS mounts, the shows are read over NFS to the recording host's backend, which then streams them to the frontend, and b) refuses to use NFS mounts on his frontends (because it's too much work for him)

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sphery:

He wants a "always stream from the master backend" setting. He obviously doesn't realize how much work it is for developers to maintain additional options.

[20:40:22]

sphery:

I think the complaint over the fact that it's read over NFS and streamed by the recording host is one case of, "It just plain sounds inefficient, so I refuse to do it that way."

[20:41:05]

sphery:

(that was "without NFS mounts on his frontends")

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I've mostly ignored the thread, but enjoyed the "hopefully this discussion will spur improvements in the future" as though anyone is reading the users list for good ideas on where myth development should be going :)

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I just hate the, "Sure, there's a perfectly workable solution already, but <someone> should write code so I can do it my way even though I don't have a good reason for not using the current solution."

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sphery:

and really, the writing is far less work than the maintaining

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sphery:

His current plan is to run a script to change the recording host of every single recording to the master backend's hostname

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iamlindoro_:

dumb

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sphery:

(i.e. continually re-run the script to catch all new recordings)

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** kormoc laughs **

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deeemac:

what is the most likely cause of video playing back really fast and chipmunk sounds for audio if anyone knows?

[20:45:15]

sphery:

and he already has NFS mounts of his MythVideo videos (and MythMusic music, I'd assume), but it's too much work to maintain the mounts for the recordings dirs

[20:45:16]

stuarta:

lack of oil on the mice powering the cpu

[20:45:43]

kormoc:

http://www.godieinafire.com/

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Wicked:

hmm. when im watching recordings or live tv...whenever i change the volume or goto browse the channels.....the playback becomes jerky. pretty much whenever any osd comes up it makes the video all slow/jerky. any ideas on what might be the cause? i have a gtx260 vid card with nvidia drivers installed

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iamlindoro_:

Setting the wrong audio sampling rate and using the option with all the warnings and skulls and crossbones all over it to fit the video to the audio

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sphery:

deeemac: a) improper audio configuration (i.e. ALSA configured so that all audio is played as if it's 48kHz audio and you're sending it a 32kHz or 44.1kHz stream), b) setting the "do-not-ever-use-this-setting" (experimental) "Use video as timebase" setting, ...

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sphery:

possibly more

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Wicked:

i got a good cpu,plenty of ram, and a good video card...i dont think there should be any jerkyness

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Stop copying me but more politely

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: you were copying me before I sent it...

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sphery:

I saw the light on my webcam...

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iamlindoro_:

and running it through the iamlindoro filter

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deeemac:

sphery: audio problems would cause the video to speed up to match it?

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sphery:

(lucky for you it's falling off my monitor and pointing at my keyboard)

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iamlindoro_:

the one that makes perfects reasonable people write five minute longs rants about me

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sphery:

deeemac: yep

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iamlindoro_:

er perfectly

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deeemac:

sphery: go it, ill try playing with the hz

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deeemac:

sphery: thanks!

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sphery:

Wicked: what deinterlacer?

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sphery:

deeemac: what video? analog or digital?

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Wicked:

hmm. it should be default let me check

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deeemac:

sphery: analog

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sphery:

deeemac: make sure your recording profiles are set to use 48kHz audio

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Wicked:

thats under playback right?

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Wicked:

playback profiles iirc?

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sphery:

Wicked: yeah, Playback Profiles, select each profile, and check the 2nd page of editor

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sphery:

Or, if you haven't modified the defaults and are using one, just let me know which profile group you're using

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deeemac:

sphery: k, ill check that, i think its set to none or something, and where is the setting to never touch, issue b) I don't think I've seen that one

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Wicked:

ok thanks. one second

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deeemac:

sphery: so I can make sure its not set

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sphery:

(note that profiles are the things inside the playback profile groups--i.e. Slim is /not/ a profile, but a group, so when I say select each profile...)

[20:50:24]

Wicked:

also. on that page. it defaulted to cpu+. i have pretty good hardware. would using a different one imporve quality?

[20:50:33]

sphery:

Wicked: change that to Slim

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Wicked:

sphery, ok

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sphery:

Wicked: the default is Normal, but there's a bug in the editor that causes CPU+ to be selected by default, and CPU+ is a terrible one to choose.

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** iamlindoro_ wonders how long it will be until sphery fixes that **

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Wicked:

ah.

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iamlindoro_:

instead of whining about it all the time ;)

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Wicked:

i did not know that.

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sphery:

deeemac: Utilties/Setup|Setup|TV Setting|Recording Profiles, IIRC?

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Wicked:

ok so for the slim ones its one field and linear. let me scope out to see if that fixes the jerky playback

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deeemac:

sphery: got it, ill check there too

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sphery:

deeemac: make sure you change it for /all/ your profiles (LiveTV, Low Quality, Normal/Default/whatever it's called, and High Quality)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: The only problem is that there are several different formats... ie one-line displays (16,20,24 chars) 2-line displays (16,20,24,40) and 4-line displays (20,40)... Would get pretty tedious for a themer to provide a layout for every format. (and also what I'm looking at...)

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sphery:

Wicked: yeah, those are ones that should work. IMHO, Slim is the best choice--especially when just starting to configure Myth.

[20:53:15]

Wicked:

hmm. that still is causing jerky playback

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Just allow them to set many lines, and they can prioritize the important stuff at the top

[20:53:39]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Or add a cycle setting to allow cycling horizontally and vertically

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sphery:

Wicked: Shared memory for the video card?

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Wicked:

sphery, im not sure. i know my video card has plenty of ram on it. iirc its 800megs or a gig

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sphery:

or PCI video card trying to push HDTV?

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Wicked:

its a nice gtx260

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sphery:

I'm guesing that's PCIe?

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Wicked:

beefy vid card

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Wicked:

yes

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sphery:

OK, that's not the problem, then

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sphery:

Do you have UseEvents enabled?

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_HDTV#NVIDIA

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Wicked:

i had pretty much the same setup working a week ago. only thing different is im not using 64bit instead of 32bit

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Humm... (thinking — don't call the fire department because of the smoke coming out of my ears...) ;-)

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Wicked:

sphery, let me check

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: must be that 64-bit video card problem we've heard about :)

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: ie have it run horizontal until the end of the line, then cycle the next to the top, then cycle horizontally, etc.

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sphery:

Wicked: ignore that--it's a joke referencing something from ages ago

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Such a CON

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sphery:

But the UseEvents thing is real

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Wicked:

ok. so i should add it to my xorg.conf

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sphery:

yeah, if it's not there, it /should/ be

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sphery:

(assuming you're using nvidia's proprietary drivers--and if not, that's probably your problem :)

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bulle:

sadly nvidias binary only drivers are pretty rough at the moment =(

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Wicked:

its actaully not in the xorg.conf

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Wicked:

sphery, i am. latest beta

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sphery:

which version?

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sphery:

I'm still using a 17x.xx version (haven't gone to 18x.xx as several of them have some pretty bad issues, still)

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Wicked:

NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64–180.29-pkg2.run

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sphery:

anyone remember if NVIDIA's 180.29 drivers are good or bad?

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sphery:

Wicked: oh, and is this -fixes? (I.e. not trunk?)

[20:58:46]

Wicked:

of myth>

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Wicked:

*of myth?

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sphery:

yeah, Myth 0.21-fixes, right?

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Wicked:

yea. im using mythbuntu. i know its 0.21

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sphery:

good.

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sphery:

otherwise, I'm sure everything I've said would be useless (as there are many other things that could be going on in trunk)

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Wicked:

sphery, i didnt have this issue using the nvidia beta drives on 32bit a week or so ago. could this be something related to 64bit?

[21:00:18]

sphery:

WT? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_HDTV#Reencoded_Rips

[21:00:37]

bulle:

Wicked: its not impossible

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sphery:

"Legality aside," meaning, I'm pretending that I'm not telling people to steal video posted online.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Those words are actually mine

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sphery:

Wicked: regardless, the UseEvents is a /very/ good thing for nvidia drivers

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: no way

[21:01:28]

Wicked:

heres the output from when i run mythfrontend. http://pastebin.com/m32f140c9

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: IIRC that's there because I got into an edit war with some douchebag about it

[21:01:37]

Wicked:

i dont see anything out of ordinary do you guys?

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: So I tried to split the difference to shut him the eff up

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sphery:

I'll edit out the "on the internet" stuff...

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iamlindoro_:

Fine with me

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: why I gave up on the wiki in a nutshell. we need a heirarchy

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Wicked:

ok brb guys. gonna restart xorg.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Yeah, I'll just have to stop hemming and hawing and get started... First hurdle I guess is to create the framework to allow different 'LCD Themes'... Then hopefully it will become easier from that point on...

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Hmm, actually, apparently I'm wrong, that sentence predates me

[21:04:31]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: I added the bit after that sentence

[21:04:48]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: Need a *lot* more people designated as moderators

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bulle:

sphery: yeah, either remove the part about internet, and refer to user generated files they themselves have ripped, from their own legaly owned media, or, remove the mentioning of movies, and tv series and just refer to it as media files found on the internet, or something similarily ambigious

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: yeah, I couldn't imagine your saying that--even as a concession

[21:05:31]

bulle:

there are a few, fully legal, hd movies etc, available on the net

[21:05:46]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: actually, I have a hard time imagining your conceding anything in an argument :)

[21:05:52]

justinh:

s/few/a couple

[21:05:56]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: I know I got into an edit fight about transcoded blu ray stuff somewhere, but I guess it was on another page

[21:06:29]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Come to think of it I guess it was more an argument about whether a 6 Mbit rip is "visually equal" to the original 40 Mbit source

[21:06:36]

iamlindoro_:

anyway, as you were

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kormoc:

yeah, more wiki mods would be a good thing

[21:07:10]

kormoc:

sadly it's really only a handful of folks

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: 6Mbit should be more than enough--after all, it's digital. How much bandwidth could it take to send a few ones and zeros?

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sphery:

#

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sphery:

oops

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justinh:

sphery: yeah, anything digital is in 'digital quality' right ;)

[21:08:38]

sphery:

2009-03–19 05:04:36.154 FilterManager: failed to load filter 'none', no such filter exists

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sphery:

is strange

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sphery:

justinh: exactly... And digital is, by definition, better than analog.

[21:09:09]

kormoc:

yeah, I asked bout that and was told it was harmless and thus not gonna be fixed anytime soon

[21:09:10]

Wicked:

hmm. well adding that to the xorg.conf seemed to help a little bit....the video donest skip as much..but there is still stuttering.

[21:09:11]

iamlindoro_:

MOAR ONEONEZEROONEONEONEZEROZEROONE

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sphery:

after all, when you can break the world down into discrete values, why wouldn't that be better than a continuous (and infinite) number of values representing the same information?

[21:10:10]

sphery:

Wicked: fix: Mixer unable to find control PCM

[21:10:30]

Wicked:

hmm. maby its pulse audio

[21:10:31]

sphery:

Wicked: change your "Mixer Controls" in your audio config to "Master" (or create a PCM softvol)

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clever:

sphery: i allways get the error about not being able to load the 'none' filter

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sphery:

Wicked: oh, yeah, Pulse is not supported without the patch for pulse

[21:10:57]

Wicked:

i could have sworn i did set the controls to master

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justinh:

flippin feck... The Onion video feeds look better on my TV than The Daily Show. lol

[21:11:07]

Wicked:

ok let me kill pulse and test

[21:11:29]

kormoc:

you can kill pulse? that'd be awesome!

[21:11:37]

Wicked:

lol

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justinh:

I for one welcome our new pulse overlords

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Wicked:

welp that didnt seem to do anything. killall pulseaudio and i still had the jerky playback

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Wicked:

and i got the mixer controls set to master

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sphery:

kormoc: I thought when you kill someone their pulse just stops?

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Wicked:

alsa:default for the device

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sphery:

ALSA:default, right?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: your pulse can stop without you being dead

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iamlindoro_:

without you being dead..yet.

[21:15:14]

meshe:

you will eventually die though :)

[21:15:26]

meshe:

unless someone can start your pulse again

[21:15:30]

wagnerrp:

meshe: depends on whether they replace it with something

[21:15:52]

meshe:

sudo /etc/init.d/pulse start

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sphery:

so, could you say that your pulse stops for some period around 1/60th of a second at a time or so?

[21:16:20]

wagnerrp:

youve got a good couple minutes before you get brain damage

[21:16:29]

sphery:

make me a sandwich. No. sudo make me a sandwich

[21:16:30]

wagnerrp:

or depending on the circumstances, up to half an hour or so

[21:16:37]

sphery:

(World's greatest xkcd)

[21:16:57]

bulle:

wagnerrp: yeah, drill some holes in the skull, add some tubing, pump in cold sterile water to cool brain, and you can do 30 min easily

[21:16:57]

wagnerrp:

oldie but a goodie

[21:16:58]

sphery:

http://xkcd.com/149/

[21:17:36]

wagnerrp:

bulle: i was actually talking about cold water drowning victims

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Shadow__X:

:)

[21:17:45]

sphery:

bulle: where do you buy the waterblocks to fit a brain?

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bulle:

sphery: im not kidding, its a method used, or was used, in some countries, where they couldnt afford heart/lung machines, so for heart surgery etc, where they have to stop the heart, it was the only way

[21:18:28]

wagnerrp:

sphery: personally... im partial to 349

[21:18:36]

sphery:

uggg...

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bulle:

sphery: and, the method has gotten recent intrest again, as it has been shown that heart/lung machines have a pretty nasty tendency to give patients smaller brain damage, due to blood clothing etc

[21:19:35]

** sphery can't handle thinking about that **

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meshe:

ack, hate blood clothing

[21:19:55]

bulle:

well, its OT, so i will STFU, but inte intresting imho =D

[21:20:03]

wagnerrp:

blood clothing?

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meshe:

yeah, clotting is even worse though, it can kill ya

[21:20:27]

bulle:

wagnerrp: sorry for spelling, im not a native english speaker, dunno what the correct engrish medical term is

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wagnerrp:

clotting

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wagnerrp:

clothing is something you wear

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wagnerrp:

i.e. cloth, fabric

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meshe:

my apologies bulle, that was me that picked up on it

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bulle:

meshe: no worries!

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sphery:

Greatest salutation ever on the -users list in thread "Changed monitor, no more playback..." in reply to Ma Begaj's reply: "Dear Ma"

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bulle:

meshe: i cant spell in any other language either =)

[21:21:44]

meshe:

hehe, that's ok, i speak fluent typonese, it was just a funny typo

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meshe:

i have way too much experience with blood clotting issues

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meshe:

anyway, OT, back to project design

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meshe:

anybody use a harmony remote? thinking about getting one, which model would you recommend?

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wagnerrp:

ive got a 550 and an 880

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i dont really like the feel of the buttons on the 550-style remotes

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jams:

i agree

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jams:

dont' like the feel of the harmony one either

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wagnerrp:

is the 'one' the new third style?

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jams:

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/remotes/uni . . . amp;cl=US,EN

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wagnerrp:

its a shame the 890 only speaks with the RF extender

[21:31:52]

wagnerrp:

ive got an RF fan that would be nice to control

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meshe:

so you'd recommend the 880?

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wagnerrp:

i would definately get one with a charger, my 550 chews through batteries

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wagnerrp:

dont buy it from logitech, you can usually find them online from $100-$150

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meshe:

i'm seeing it for $203 in Canada

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meshe:

$100 would make it worth buying in the US

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jams:

My harmony one tends to lock up at least every other week.

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jams:

Remotes shouldn't lockup, and require a battery pull to reset them.

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meshe:

sounds like a blackberry

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wagnerrp:

heres one for $130, http://www.ecomelectronics.com/prodinfo.phtml . . . pricegrabber

[21:36:18]

justinh:

ahh nuts. I didn't enable multithreaded playback when I built myth

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justinh:

oh wait. yes I did

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wagnerrp:

and theres a refurb on amazon for $80, if you want to go that route

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Last I checked, multithread was autodetected

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wagnerrp:

the one complaint i have with logitech hardware is that the contacts on their chargers tend to corrode

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meshe:

that's not good, but it's fixable

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wagnerrp:

i usually have spend a few seconds scraping my mouse or remote clear to get it to connect

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meshe:

a little steel wool on the contacts

[21:38:04]

wagnerrp:

fingernail works just fine

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iamlindoro_:

Little french kiss on the light socket and all your troubles disappear

[21:38:34]

wagnerrp:

or in the case of the harmony, rubbing it around in the stand for a few seconds until it takes the charge

[21:38:49]

meshe:

iamlindoro_: new trick to get off the crazy meds? ;)

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justinh:

rah. bbc hd test clip won't play even with 2 cpus

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iamlindoro_:

meshe: Always exploring new options

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wagnerrp:

'lick the lightswitch first'

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justinh:

very telling. sky hd clip plays but bbchd clip doesn't

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bulle:

justinh: h264 at high bitrate ?

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wagnerrp:

so iamlindoro_: a talking monkey statue give you that idea?

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justinh:

bulle: obviously higher than sky

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Ok, this is OT, but since there's no '#lcdproc' channel, I'll give it a shot...

[21:42:41]

justinh:

course it's being downscaled to SDTV res but that'll make little difference

[21:42:45]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Hi guys... this is a N00b question — I've been working on alternate bignum fonts, and found that after stopping LCDd and installing the new driver and LCDd, the font isn't used unless I re-boot. (must be cached somehow) How do I clear that cache? ;-)

[21:42:50]

bulle:

justinh: i tried some bbc hd test clip not that long ago, that played back ok on my mythbox, its a core2duo 6600

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** sphery is considering getting a gumstix with wifi and/or bluetooth to build his own remote... **

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justinh:

looks mighty fine though, I might be sold on the hud yet

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justinh:

bulle: I get prebuffering pauses agogo

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bulle:

justinh: oh, and what cpu ?

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justinh:

T5600

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I wrote a script to link together MythTV video meta data and my previously downloaded graphics, set season and episode numbers and fixed title and subtitles. I just check out Terra with all the flash and I am blown away. I have banners also linked but of course do not show yet. Coverart and banners are properly set to season specific graphics when available.

[21:44:13]

justinh:

god a 1080p h.264 clip plays better than the bbc hd snippet of Kill Bill

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bulle:

justinh: i think i was using that bbc hd snippet of kill bill here

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: BAnners are present in my theme, but it's up to other themers to decide where/if they want to use them

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justinh:

loads of errors in playback with all of them though, so suspect a newer ffmpeg sync would be needed

[21:45:30]

deeemac:

sphery: you around still?

[21:45:31]

RDV_Linux:

This script can be used as a mass updater and down loader for both tv and movies plus be used as an overnight maintenance job.

[21:45:33]

justinh:

or then again ... checks playback profile for > 1280x720 ..

[21:45:38]

iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: Plus, the Watch recordings screen supports fanart now too, by the way

[21:46:02]

iamlindoro_:

(assuming your theme has it added)

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justinh:

ffs. greedy deint isn't gonna be nice now is it. lol

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bulle:

justinh: seems bbc uses something called "MBAFF" for their hd stuff, while sky uses "PAFF" dunno what it means, but according to some people, thats the main diff in cpu useage

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justinh:

better, but not quite fluid. MOARCPU needed then

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RDV_Linux:

Thank goodness I add another Gig of memory, I know we already discussed the cost of bling, just saying.

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Wicked:

bah. i cannot seem to figure this out. everytime i hit a button it makes the video jerk.

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: See http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6336 for how to name some files for fanart/cover/banner in the Watch recordings screen

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sphery:

deeemac: yeah

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: More or less take the files for your shows, and make copies with the show name for them to work in Watch Recordings

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: so "cp 12345.jpg Battlestar Galactica.jpg" or whatever

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justinh:

heh. sky hd is some 3Mb/sec lower than BBCHD

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justinh:

18Mbits/sec is quite a benchmark

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sphery:

Wicked: BTW, my recommendation would be to just turn of OSD fade

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I can hardly wait for the various people to submit their jazzed up themes. Kid in eye candy store scenario.

[21:49:11]

sphery:

Wicked: IIRC, that's also part of the playback profile, so you could do it only for HDTV or whatever

[21:49:29]

Wicked:

hmm. im wondering if this is due to pulse audio.

[21:49:33]

Wicked:

ok sphery ill also try that

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justinh:

RDV_Linux: what people? :-\

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: http://rafb.net/p/f4CUmv65.html

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Wicked:

im now seeing this in the console when i start mythtv 2009-03–19 17:46:13.103 mixer unable to find control Master 1

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sphery:

Wicked: it will fix the problem by not doing the part that's causing the problem, so if you don't feel you have to have the OSD fade, you could stop worrying about what's causing it. :)

[21:50:17]

justinh:

other than gbee & iamlindoro_ there was only me & one other guy, and nothing has been heard on that front since he was waiting for me to not fail at coding

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: There's a little patch to make fanart work in Watch Recordings in terra

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RDV_Linux:

I thought iamlindoro, gbee and yourself. Am I correct?

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Wicked:

let me go try to turn off osd fade

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: Just remember that for the Watch Recordings screen, the images need to have a name matching the show name, or show name season x episode x, or show name s##e##, or show name ##x##, or similar

[21:51:06]

sphery:

RDV_Linux: now is your chance to get in on the ground floor of mythui theme development

[21:51:27]

sphery:

if you act now, the potential for huge gains is greatest...

[21:51:31]

** iamlindoro_ helpfully offers http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development **

[21:51:33]

sphery:

don't let someone else steal all the glory

[21:51:40]

meshe:

great promotion opportunities, grow within this organization, flexible schedule...

[21:51:47]

sphery:

work from home

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justinh:

excellent benefits.. oh wait..

[21:52:02]

meshe:

haha

[21:52:03]

sphery:

and earn $5000/day with your Google business

[21:52:03]

iamlindoro_:

The biggest quirk is getting to bitch about stuff that's broken without being told to fix it

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iamlindoro_:

er perk

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sphery:

not to mention that people who hear you bitching after seeing your contributions are more likely to offer to help (though some never actually get around to it... :)

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iamlindoro_:

All that said, let's remember that RDV_Linux wrote our new TVDB grabber

[21:53:24]

iamlindoro_:

which I can attest works very very well

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sphery:

yes, and it's /much/ appreciated

[21:53:55]

sphery:

but we've got to get him hooked while he's got some momentum going...

[21:54:16]

** justinh turns down the volume in readyness for The Daily Show whoop-fest **

[21:54:38]

justinh:

sphery: I'd love to know where all my enthusiasm went

[21:54:54]

sphery:

Hmmm... I've responded to way too many #637x tickets.

[21:55:21]

sphery:

justinh: I still have the enthusiasm, but I'm not making the time, anymore.

[21:55:23]

justinh:

what to do when the get up & go gets up and er.. goes :P

[21:55:38]

sphery:

Now I want some cheese.

[21:55:53]

justinh:

got Friday & Monday off so I can get on & chop up some more tree leftovers :)

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I may stick to scripting for a while (at least finish what I started). I will take a look at what you threw my way though . Thanks

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Holy bleep — I haven't seen that wiki article since the first few days you started on it... wow... very impressive...

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gbee:

iamlindoro:_ <imagetype name="fanart" from="basebackdrop">

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gbee:

err <imagetype name="fanart" from="basebackdrop" /> and move it to the top of the window :)

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sphery:

very hard to find the source of "When my get up and go has got up and went, I hanker fer a hunk o' cheese" when you don't remember the name of ther series of PSA's (Time for Timer)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3jgo5ea_zc

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deeemac:

sphery: I got the chipmunk sound and speed up to go away by changing it to 32khz, it didn't like 48k, but the sound is still garbled sounding now, its very strange

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sphery:

deeemac: digital audio?

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sphery:

digital audio output, that is (i.e. S/PDIF or whatever)

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deeemac:

sphery: its over a 1/4th stereo jack

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deeemac:

like a head phone jack, in line

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deeemac:

on the tv tuner card

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sphery:

hmmm...

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deeemac:

sphery: they hz may still be off, but im not sure

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sphery:

It's possible your capture card only supports 32kHz, but now that you're using that, your sound card isn't playing it

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deeemac:

sphery: the video looks pefect now

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: wow... that took me back 25 years... yikes...

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sphery:

try deleting ~/.asoundrc and (if there) /etc/asound.conf (or rename /etc/asound.conf) and make sure that your Audio Output Device and Mixer Device are set to ALSA:default and then restart mythfrontend and see how it works.

[22:04:28]

deeemac:

sphery: according to the spec sheet of the card, it says it supports Sample rates 32 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 48 kHz

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A|work: yeah... don't know if it's a bad thing that's what I though of with justinh's "get up & go" comment above

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justinh:

sphery: do you remember 'Whizz Kids' ? ;-)

[22:05:01]

sphery:

no

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: That's exactly what I thought of too... so we must be somewhere around the same age... ;-)

[22:05:28]

sphery:

http://whizzkids.org/

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A|work: likely true

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justinh:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiz_Kids_(TV_series)

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sphery:

heh, no response from that site (though it's the one listed by google for it)

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deeemac:

sphery: i do not have any of those files, I do have /etc/aumixrc /etc/aumixrc1 and /etc/aumixrc2 though

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deeemac:

sphery: looks like they just have volume levels

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sphery:

If it's 1983, why is the picture black and white?

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justinh:

lol

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sphery:

deeemac: are you using any kind of sound server (esd, artsd, or pulse)?

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justinh:

better? http://epguides.com/WhizKids/guide.shtml

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deeemac:

sphery: I believe it's alsa, its the base mythbuntu install

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sphery:

yeah, pretty sure mythbuntu disables pulse

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sphery:

deeemac: I'm out of ideas... It's almost definitely related to audio, but I don't know how.

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sphery:

(and you did verify that you're not using "Use video as timebase", right?)

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deeemac:

sphery: I actually couldn't find that setting

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

deeemac: it's in the playback settings, and is followed by "(experimental)" ;-)

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deeemac:

J-e-f-f-A|work: let me see if I can find it again

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

deeemac: You don't want it enabled — that's what sphery is saying. ;-)

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: With all this fooling around I found a bug in ttvdb. The script does not handle "Stargate SG-1" properly or I suspect any TV series name with a "-" in it. I think any of those series names will require the use of the ttvdb configuration file, There is always the next release.

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justinh:

jees. this is where my get up & go went. teh interwebs. I'm an internet potato

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meshe:

my internet addiction is much more manageable now that i have an iPhone

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meshe:

i can leave the house ;)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

I'm not addicted to the internet, I could walk away at any time.... Really, I could. I just don't want to. ;-)

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deeemac:

sphery: alright, found the option, not enabled, and its on the audio is like the wathcing it live also, not just recordings

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meshe:

i've managed a week without going online, i was in the US and data was $6/MB on the iphone and no wifi handy

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

deeemac: "LiveTV" is still recording btw...

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deeemac:

J-e-f-f-A|work: oh heh

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meshe:

live tv is just watching a recording a few seconds after it starts

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deeemac:

J-e-f-f-A|work: is there a way to watch the live live version, with out the recording, just as a test

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justinh:

livetv is SO 20th century, man

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deeemac:

justinh: lol, yeah

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** meshe saw her parents recording a show on something called a "VCR", it was odd **

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meshe:

i really need to get them a frontend set up

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

deeemac: Outside of myth, yes. – With a framegrabber card I think you'd need something like 'tvtime' to do that...

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** J-e-f-f-A|work has never owned a framegrabber that he's used in Linux... ;-) **

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deeemac:

no easy output dump to a file kind of thing? capture -t 10m file.mpg

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deeemac:

or something

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

deeemac: if it were a hardware card, you could just cat /dev/video0 >file.mpg --- but it's a framegrabber, so you need an application to grab the frames & audio...

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deeemac:

oh

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kormoc:

The Frame Grabber is dead! Long live the Frame Grabber!

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justinh:

The Frame Grabber. Sounds like a villain out of a 1980s cartoon

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justinh:

TMNT have to stop the Frame Grabber erm.. grabbing all the uhh.. frames

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kormoc:

He only steals picture frames, never the pictures themselves!

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GreyFoxx:

nah I didn't yet. have a big work project due tomorrow at 11am I've been working on

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justinh:

heh without the frames, the pictures just roll around in a loop

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deeemac:

is there any reason why I wouldn't have a /etc/asound.conf file? maybe that has something to do with the reason the audio is garbaled

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darkdrgn2k:

is it possible to "upmix" sterio audio to 6 channel

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, I have a feeling SG-1 will be a popular choice around these parts, so if you get inspired and come up with a fix that'd probably be a good thing

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meshe:

it's not stereo with dolby pro-logic encoded?

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, But more eyes on the script means quicker fixes, so the sooner we're all using it, the better :)

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darkdrgn2k:

soo any on know if its possible to "upmix" sterio audio to 6 channel?

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RDV_Linux:

When I added SG-1 to the configuration file it worked no problem, but I feel that is still a workaround.

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iamlindoro:

yeah, I agree

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iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k, I hope 5 minutes waiting before repeating yourself and ignoring a direct question asked of you doesn't count as patient to you :)

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iamlindoro:

Especially when *nobody* enters or leaves the channel

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darkdrgn2k:

iamlindoro im sorry.. what question did i ignore?

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RDV_Linux:

I need to work on my regex skills to fix this issue. Right now I mostly grab someones that is regex sting and modify it until I get what i need.

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iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k, Why don't you read the last ten lines?

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darkdrgn2k:

iamlindoro i did

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iamlindoro:

try again

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darkdrgn2k:

<iamlindoro> RDV_Linux, I have a feeling SG-1 will be a popular choice around these parts, so if you get inspired and come up with a fix that'd probably be a good thing

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darkdrgn2k:

<meshe> it's not stereo with dolby pro-logic encoded?

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iamlindoro:

helpful hint: I didn't ask it

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darkdrgn2k:

<iamlindoro> RDV_Linux, But more eyes on the script means quicker fixes, so the sooner we're all using it, the better :)

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darkdrgn2k:

thats IT

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darkdrgn2k:

which is a question for me?

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iamlindoro:

yes... and you just pasted it

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iamlindoro:

which one *isn't* directed at someone elsE?

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darkdrgn2k:

well there is " it's not stereo with dolby pro-logic encoded?"

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darkdrgn2k:

but i didnt think it was directed at me...

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iamlindoro:

and yet it was...

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darkdrgn2k:

iamlindoro: well.. what do you know....

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meshe:

hehe

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darkdrgn2k:

iamlindoro: i guess thats why its become customary to prepend teh persons name you are speaking to..

[22:50:08]

darkdrgn2k:

iamlindoro: so miscommunications like this dont happen :-P

[22:50:25]

iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k, Are you so allergic to getting help that you're going to argue with the way the person trying to help you tried to help you?

[22:50:46]

iamlindoro:

hey, I mean arguing is fun and all that, bu why don't you start providing that person with useful info?

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darkdrgn2k:

iamlindoro: no, but i though thats what IRC is all about.. bickering about pointless issues.. or sticking to "religion"

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darkdrgn2k:

meshe: Anyway.. im sorry i dont quite understand what you ment..

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, I'm confident you'll get it, nothing's perfect at first

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

meshe: Here's another sample of a 'bigclock' font I created last-night: 7-segment bigclock font http://mysite.verizon.net/~jartz/mythtv/lcd/b . . . -segment.jpg

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meshe:

darkdrgn2k: you obviously can't get 6 channel without a digital signal, but for nearly 2 decades you've been able to get dolby pro-logic 5.1 encoded into "Stereo" streams

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darkdrgn2k:

meshe: sorry... 3 stereo streams

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

what???????????????????????????????

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meshe:

darkdrgn2k: does "Stereo" have dolby pro-logic encoding in the audio channels? if so does the input in our audio device support pro-logic?

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darkdrgn2k:

center base, left right back left back right

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darkdrgn2k:

meshe: its a basic computer analog sorround system (not digital)

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meshe:

darkdrgn2k: oh, so it's a computer speaker setup?

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darkdrgn2k:

meshe: yes, sory i probably should of included that..

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

darkdrgn2k: So you want to decode 5.1 digital to 6 discreet analog outputs... I would think that alsa might be able to do that if configured properly,but haven't a clue how to do it myself...

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darkdrgn2k:

hmmm

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meshe:

i'm not sure about that then, my home theatre reciever can decode the dolby pro-logic from the right left out of the computer and do surround, but i'm not sure where you could do it in the computer

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AndyCap:

and you would need liba52 or something?

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darkdrgn2k:

meshe: so in short its not worth it for 2 months.. right?

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meshe:

darkdrgn2k: 2 months?

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iamlindoro:

mwaaahahahaha

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darkdrgn2k:

meshe: im moving in 2 months.. prob get a full entertainment system

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iamlindoro:

my export to MythVideo code now allows for nice filenaming, automatically determining episode and season #s, etc.

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meshe:

ahh, that's up to you, I would look at alsa and see if there's a way of setting it up

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iamlindoro:

1318548340 2009-03–19 15:56 DEA 2x06 – Drug Dealing Deli.mpg

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iamlindoro:

hee hee hee

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: cool! ;-)

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meshe:

darkdrgn2k: i just moved and bought a new tv and home theatre in a box and it took some configuring, but i got surround working from just right left audio out of the myth box

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A|work, All while preserving all the metadata, hunting down the appropriate fanart/coverart/banner/screenshot, and setting them all to work in MythVideo

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darkdrgn2k:

meshe: do the DVI boards do sound to?

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meshe:

DVI does not support sound

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: Nice... ;-) That's the type of complexity I do in the 'TACL' (Tandem Advanced Command Language) environment at work... Now if I could just transfer all that experience into C++ or Perl or PHP... ;-)

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darkdrgn2k:

meshe: sorry hdmi

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A|work, Meh, look at all I've done with no skills whatsoever ;)

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meshe:

i know that nvidia's windows drivers do sound over hdmi, but i have no experience with that in linux

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: If I knew Perl as well as I knew TACL, I could write Myth in Perl... (haven't we heard that from somebody else before? Or was it Python? ;-) )

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AndyCap:

meshe: iirc, there was an article on phoronix talking about hdmi audio for nvidia, intel and ati.

[23:04:14]

meshe:

J-e-f-f-A|work: lol, myth in perl, what a bad idea

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meshe:

and i code in perl daily

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A|work, We've always got some kook or another deciding that rather than help improve Mythfrontend, they're going to rewrite it in the language of the day-- we generally never hear from them again, of course

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meshe:

mythweb maybe, but not the rest of it

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

meshe: some guy claimed he wrote a myth equivalent in something like 2000 lines of perl (or python)... and that myth was just bloat... what a dumba$$... ;-)

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meshe:

perl has it's places, like most scripting languages, GUI apps is not one of them

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meshe:

J-e-f-f-A|work: yeah, i think sphery linked me to that one day

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AndyCap:

meshe: heh, perl gtk2 is nice enough

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meshe:

IIRC he only wrote the scheduler protion of it too

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AndyCap:

and no gui

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AndyCap:

:)

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meshe:

AndyCap: haven't tried it yet, been through TK, WxWidgets

[23:09:00]

meshe:

i'm a web app developer, so I don't have much GUI experience

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meshe:

but perl is sloooooow for GUI in the experience i do have

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AndyCap:

http://threebit.net/mail-archive/mythtv-dev/msg01560.html

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AndyCap:

meshe: can't say I've been bothered by it.

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AndyCap:

anyhow, It would all depend on what kind of gui app I guess.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, So after 24 hours playing with it, still finding all the Season/Episode stuff and interface with the TV grabber code to work well?

[23:10:49]

iamlindoro:

erm 48 hours, I guess

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AndyCap:

mythfrontend in perl-Gtk2 is probably the road to insanity. :P

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meshe:

lol

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AndyCap:

or qtperl but I've never looked at that

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

meshe: btw... what did you think of that 7-segment font for bigclock? ;-)

[23:11:50]

meshe:

looks pretty good :)

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meshe:

afk, meeting :)

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: To be honest after the initial proof that things worked I spent all my time writing the script to fill out all the new fields. I just came up for air a few hours ago. I could not see myself using the mythvideo interface to update over a thousand video records. Now that the mass update is done I will use the mythvideo download more often.

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RDV_Linux:

Also I got season level posters and banners by using the my script.

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RDV_Linux:

In general I like overnight maintenance jobs versus manual updates.

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dashs:

firewire working very stable at 100mbits but pic is a bit jerky, at 200mbits get errors, but pic is very nice — which hardware needs improvement?

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RDV_Linux:

That being said the grabber code has not failed me yet. Except the SG-1 situation which is my ttvdb's issue. I know you did not like how ttvdb responds when as TV series is not found. Have you any thoughts on how it could be better maybe just copy what tmdb.pl does?

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, I only haven't weighed in because I don'

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iamlindoro:

er

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iamlindoro:

don't have particularly strong feelings about it-- when in doubt, emulating the existing grabbers is probably not a bad idea

[23:25:02]

iamlindoro:

And when that fails, plain english error messages being handed back to MythVideo are good too :)

[23:25:13]

iamlindoro:

instead of python gouging out my eyes

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RDV_Linux:

Interesting, if you are seeing python trace backs messages then that is wrong. A series that is not found should display a "! Series not ..." message and a return code of False. The code should not break.

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iamlindoro:

It's probably fine, I haven't seen it since I got the the MythVideo code bits fixed up

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iamlindoro:

I mean, if the series isn't found the series isn't found, nothing you can do about it

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iamlindoro:

And if the message passed back is understandable by the average myth user, good enough for me

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Here is a message example "! Warning: Series (SLSKJJF) not found"

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iamlindoro:

works for me

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RDV_Linux:

Good less work to do.

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meshe:

is the format specifiable for the tv grabber? my shows are in the format of: South Park/Season 1/01 You Killed Kenny.mp4

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iamlindoro:

meshe, The grabber gets the Season and episode values from their own DB fields

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iamlindoro:

so as long as you write up a quick bit of SQL to parse that stuff and insert the right fields, the grabber will behave

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meshe:

ahhh, sweet

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iamlindoro:

meshe, I've updated the scan/import code in MythVideo to automatically set season and episode, but only using the standard #x## and s##e## naming scemes

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iamlindoro:

er schemes

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meshe:

i wonder if we could add an advanced parser to that where you could pass it a format string

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meshe:

i'm planning on getting trunk going on my desktop this weekend

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iamlindoro:

meshe, The season/episode support and TV grabber are not yet committed, but hopefully ought to be shortly

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** meshe nods **

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meshe:

i just want to get into the source and get my head wrapped around it, I'll probably start small with the "last watched" feature in MythVideo

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