| Sunday, March 15th, 2009, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:38] | FPSDavid: | alright, i'll check it out |
| [00:00:40] | FPSDavid: | thx |
| [00:01:18] | FPSDavid: | is mythweb supposed to be slow as fuck when searching the listings or going to the settings page? |
| [00:01:30] | FPSDavid: | sorry about rule a) there |
| [00:01:38] | FPSDavid: | i'll refrain next time :( |
| [00:01:44] | kormoc: | Depends on your setup |
| [00:02:04] | FPSDavid: | like what about it |
| [00:02:16] | FPSDavid: | its pretty modern, amd 3000+, 2gb of memory |
| [00:02:20] | iamlindoro: | If the person assigned to rewrite mythweb in python wasn't so anti-community, this wouldn't be a problem |
| [00:02:21] | kormoc: | How many channels/shows, what sort of search (unanchored or anchored, etc) |
| [00:02:28] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
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| [00:02:44] | FPSDavid: | VideoDefaultPlayer: mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s |
| [00:02:50] | FPSDavid: | could i change that to make the default internal? |
| [00:02:55] | iamlindoro: | Yes |
| [00:03:12] | iamlindoro: | though I'd make note of your mplayer command in case you decide to switch anything back |
| [00:03:23] | FPSDavid: | kk i have irc logs, i'll be able to find it |
| [00:03:25] | iamlindoro: | (although that is the default myth-provided version of that command) |
| [00:03:29] | FPSDavid: | what would i change it to |
| [00:03:33] | iamlindoro: | Internal |
| [00:03:46] | FPSDavid: | just that, no -s? or %s? |
| [00:03:52] | iamlindoro: | nothings else |
| [00:03:54] | iamlindoro: | er nothing |
| [00:04:02] | iamlindoro: | takes no arguments |
| [00:04:04] | FPSDavid: | aight, lemme test it |
| [00:04:09] | iamlindoro: | (command line arguments, that is) |
| [00:06:15] | buckeye: | Does anyone know why I have been getting the 'Recording Unavailable'...'The file for this recording can not be found' message when I try to play a recoring? |
| [00:06:40] | iamlindoro: | Generally speaking, that means there's no file for the recording |
| [00:06:41] | buckeye: | Live tv works, and I have check my recording directory. The permissions seem to be fine. |
| [00:07:40] | buckeye: | iamlindoro: actually I can see two files...one with 0 bytes, and the other one is the recording. However, once I click on the zero byte file, the other one disappears.... |
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| [00:08:22] | iamlindoro: | No idea about pointing and clicking, need terminal output |
| [00:08:53] | FPSDavid: | sweet, that worked, thx iamlindoro |
| [00:08:57] | buckeye: | iamlindoro: what type of terminal output would you like to see? |
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| [00:09:30] | iamlindoro: | you would need to read your backend logs to learn the recording filename that it can't find, then go hunting for that file in your recording dir and determine that it is > 0 bytes |
| [00:09:36] | iamlindoro: | FPSDavid, you are welcome |
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| [00:11:17] | buckeye: | iamlindoro: Thanks, I will track down the log |
| [00:11:23] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [00:15:05] | wagnerrp: | son of a bitch... |
| [00:15:18] | wagnerrp: | i took something apart a couple days ago and lost a screw |
| [00:15:26] | wagnerrp: | now i found the screw, and cant remember what it was i took apart |
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| [00:15:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | so iamlindoro ... I did it... ;-) I was able to un-do the schema updates and get everything working perfectly again... ;-) I guess I know more SQL then I though, although it was simple "ALTER TABLE" commands... ;-) |
| [00:16:11] | sid3windr: | kormoc: oh, hm, I just saw your reply about my mythweb problem.. :) |
| [00:16:27] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: dont forget the update query on settings to change the schema version! |
| [00:16:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yep, did that too. working perfectly fine again, no data loss. ;-) |
| [00:16:45] | sid3windr: | so, if I click on a channel which doesn't have guide data in mythweb (indicated NO DATA in the listings page) I get an infinite redirect loop. anyone else experiencing this? I'm using debian-multimedia packages |
| [00:17:11] | sid3windr: | also, i've got a bit of a problem. There's a series on and myth thinks every ep is the same as the first one |
| [00:17:19] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: with the right changes to the design of dbcheck.cpp you could have automatic up and DOWN grading |
| [00:17:21] | sid3windr: | I think the epg is to blame, it's got the same "episode title" |
| [00:17:21] | buckeye: | iamlindoro: what would 'ERROR when trying to delete file: /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/myth/13281_200903141511726.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed' mean? |
| [00:17:25] | sid3windr: | every time |
| [00:17:32] | clever: | but it would take a bit of work |
| [00:18:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: That depends... if the changes can be switched back or not. I think i was ok since I'm in the US with plain-ascii data elements. |
| [00:18:27] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: i would expect every change to be reversable |
| [00:18:35] | mzb_d800: | this means the LCD plan is back on track? ;) |
| [00:19:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: hehe... ;-) I was going to do a !seen on you to see if you were around. ;-) |
| [00:19:08] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [00:19:37] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: its just a mater of entering the query to do it in both directions |
| [00:19:39] | mzb_d800: | starting to get very used to having a BigClock in the lounge room ;) |
| [00:19:57] | mzb_d800: | making it pretty would be a bonus ;) |
| [00:20:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: the major change in one of the updates was from latin1 -> utf8 – which would go pretty smooth in that direction, but could get messy in the other direction... |
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| [00:20:15] | mzb_d800: | (along with the other functionality and beautification of course!) |
| [00:20:31] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: but the data was somehow being stored in latin1 to begin with |
| [00:20:32] | mike_hurley: | hey all...anybody else have menu problems with a dvd rip but not the dvd itself? |
| [00:20:49] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: and how would the pre change code cope with it staying utf8? |
| [00:20:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Well, if we can define the custom character bitmaps for bigclock, I can have a patch fairly quickly. (well, within an hour or two) |
| [00:21:09] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: that type of thing might not need to be reversed |
| [00:21:38] | mike_hurley: | on my venture brothers season 1 dvds the menus look as expected with Internal player with the actual dvds |
| [00:21:38] | mzb_d800: | err ... within the source, the 8 custom chars are defined something like "b____XX____" per line |
| [00:21:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: Well, that's ok, it's all back to normal now. ;-) |
| [00:21:50] | mzb_d800: | I'll just grep for heart ;) |
| [00:21:52] | mike_hurley: | with the rips, the menu is black and only the selected menu options shows up |
| [00:22:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: I am booting my trunk box now. ;-) |
| [00:22:09] | sid3windr: | is there a way to tell myth to record duplicates? |
| [00:22:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | sid3windr: Yeah, turn off the duplicate checking for that schedule. |
| [00:22:44] | sid3windr: | I only seem to have check all, check current, check previous |
| [00:22:46] | sid3windr: | not "no" :p |
| [00:22:56] | sid3windr: | oh |
| [00:22:59] | mzb_d800: | or change the checking _method_ |
| [00:23:02] | sid3windr: | eh, I should read some more |
| [00:23:05] | sid3windr: | yeah, I just saw the checking method =) |
| [00:23:07] | buckeye: | what would 'ERROR when trying to delete file: /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/myth/13281_200903141511726.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed' mean? |
| [00:23:12] | bocaJ: | hey, does anyone know how to create a TS Stream with mythtranscode? |
| [00:23:13] | sid3windr: | thanks! |
| [00:23:26] | wagnerrp: | buckeye: give it more than 5 minutes |
| [00:23:40] | ** sid3windr hugs the channel :] ** | |
| [00:24:09] | wagnerrp: | bocaJ: you cannot choose to use a TS stream |
| [00:24:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | bocaJ: I'm curious why you would want to create a TS stream – isn't it just an mpeg stream with extra data for error correction/recovery during broadcast? |
| [00:24:29] | wagnerrp: | the only way youre going to get anything but a nuv coming out of mythtranscode is if you do a lossless transcode of mpeg to mpeg |
| [00:25:08] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: actually, it just has a bunch of extra data to tell the player how to use the stream |
| [00:25:31] | wagnerrp: | since you can pick up at any point in the stream, you cant exactly put that information in the header |
| [00:25:44] | mzb_d800: | J-e-f-f-A: see ./server/drivers/hd44780.c lines 799–919 (lcdproc-0.5.2) |
| [00:25:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Ah... I was just going to ask that ^^^ ;-) |
| [00:25:46] | bocaJ: | and I'm happy to do that, I'm just curious how to get it to preserce the TS stream mpeg rather than converting it to PS. The release notes fro either .21 or .20 suggest this should be possible |
| [00:25:55] | wagnerrp: | the error recovery is all done before you get the TS stream |
| [00:25:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: hehe... ;-) pulling that up in nedit now... |
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| [00:27:10] | bocaJ: | I start out with a TS stream... the QAM tuner just writes it striaght to the drive. |
| [00:27:23] | bocaJ: | or I completely misunderstand how this works. |
| [00:28:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: umm... oh, that's in LCDd... not Myth... |
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| [00:28:12] | mzb_d800: | yep |
| [00:28:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: woop, guess I don't have the lcdproc sources on my trunk box... let me pull them down.. ;-) |
| [00:29:29] | mzb_d800: | unless you're going to write a function that loads custom chars _from_ myth (which would probably imply that you'd either only have _one_ set of custom chars, or that mythtv new _exactly_ when to load a custom set), the mods are going to have to be within lcdproc |
| [00:29:41] | mike_hurley: | it appears to be a problem with the greedy and yadif deinterlacers since linear doesn't have the problem |
| [00:29:43] | mzb_d800: | I suggest a "mythtv_extensions" switch in the config |
| [00:29:46] | mike_hurley: | odd that it didn't do that with the actual dvd |
| [00:29:47] | mzb_d800: | (or similar) |
| [00:30:10] | mzb_d800: | rather than a specific driver for (say) "HD44780_mythtv" |
| [00:31:22] | buckeye: | iamlindoro: are you there? |
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| [00:32:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Yeah, I'll just tweak something together for now, and then figure out a better/more appropriate way to do it. |
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| [00:33:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: The whole reason I was considering a 'native' driver without lcdproc is that you can have much more control of the display when you're doing it directly – like the custom chars, etc. ;-) |
| [00:34:14] | mzb_d800: | yes, I agree. I simply mean do your changes to (for eg.) the HD44780 driver, and have those changes switched by a "mythtv_extensions" variable. |
| [00:34:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: somewhere around here (on one of my tons of computers) I have pics of bigclock 'fonts' I found when looking for ideas... or maybe I just wrote them down, I do remember doodling them out on a paper... |
| [00:34:32] | mzb_d800: | then for every driver that the mod is made "mythtv_extensions" will work |
| [00:35:13] | jroysdon: | Anyone on that uses Digital w/Comcast? I'm following this guide, but of course not everything lines up with what I have (distro, file locations, etc.): http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Adding_Digital_Cab . . . _USA/Canada) |
| [00:36:04] | bocaJ: | jroy, you shouldn't have to do that anymore |
| [00:36:24] | bocaJ: | just scan for QAM channels in the mythtvsetup frontend. Use the "-" seperator |
| [00:36:24] | jroysdon: | bocaJ – then what do I do? |
| [00:36:40] | jroysdon: | I don't think it "just worked" and there were many options |
| [00:36:48] | jroysdon: | QAM256 and the "-" seperator? |
| [00:36:52] | bocaJ: | yes |
| [00:37:13] | jroysdon: | Ok, I think there was 1 or two other options. Lemme get back into it, once this dvbscan finishes |
| [00:37:31] | jroysdon: | (or shall I just kill it?) |
| [00:37:36] | bocaJ: | I would kill it |
| [00:37:43] | jroysdon: | ok |
| [00:37:44] | mzb_d800: | J-e-f-f-A: I suspect these will be needed as minimum: http://openpaste.org/en/12335/ |
| [00:38:23] | mzb_d800: | the colons on the vdr-wakeup clock look nice, but I suspect can be done with something else if req |
| [00:38:30] | jroysdon: | boacJ – via MythTV setup, right? Channel Editor? |
| [00:38:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Yes, and one with the top 3 or 4 lines solid, the rest empty, and a solid one (altough I think there is a solid char in the 44780 character set) |
| [00:39:07] | mzb_d800: | char 255 |
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| [00:39:35] | bocaJ: | I believe so |
| [00:39:42] | bocaJ: | lemme check stuff |
| [00:39:57] | jroysdon: | Video source setup (for a dvb input with a pvr-1600 on a Comcast system): Channel Frequency Table: default? |
| [00:40:03] | mzb_d800: | while you're on chars, for another screen I'll be needing a single row of pixels top and bottom ;) (tri-state bargraph) |
| [00:40:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Humm.. I don't see any of the bigclock character codes defined in the hd44780 driver yet... |
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| [00:41:10] | mzb_d800: | $ find . | xargs egrep -i "big.*clock" |
| [00:41:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: there are 'icons' defined in HD44780_icon – still looking for the bigclock chars – probably in another file. |
| [00:41:20] | mzb_d800: | I suspect it all comes back to "bignum" |
| [00:41:31] | jroysdon: | Scan for channels, Frequency Table: Cable High, Cable HRC High, Cable IRC High? Modulation: Cable QAM256, ATSC Channel Separator: (5–1) Minus? |
| [00:41:51] | mzb_d800: | ./server/drivers/adv_bignum.c ?? |
| [00:41:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Ah, it's in 'adv_bignum.c'... ^^ bum |
| [00:42:01] | jroysdon: | It just gets to the next screen and shows "scanning" and nothing in the window |
| [00:42:14] | jroysdon: | But I can click Finish, so it appears to have failed, but I've no idea what to look for or check |
| [00:42:29] | bocaJ: | I would choose Cable all, just in case comcast is being squirly about their digital channels |
| [00:43:10] | jroysdon: | bocaJ – so just Cable? I don't think that's right... |
| [00:43:16] | mzb_d800: | shame there's no 3-line display defn ... might come in handy |
| [00:43:18] | bocaJ: | worked for me... |
| [00:43:31] | jroysdon: | Scanning comes back right away with nothing, and I can click finish |
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| [00:43:59] | mzb_d800: | gee that's crude |
| [00:44:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: hehe... ok, found the relevant function... for 4-line displays anyways – adv_bignum_4_8 |
| [00:45:02] | mzb_d800: | yes, just looking at line 324 |
| [00:45:29] | bocaJ: | jroy: did you look at the installation guide here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600 |
| [00:45:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: for adv_bignum_4_8, jump up to 1149 |
| [00:45:43] | mzb_d800: | yep, just worked out I was looking at adv_bignum_num_2_1 |
| [00:46:08] | jroysdon: | bocaJ – I did, but again, it didn't exactly fit what I had to do with MyhtDora (Fedora 10 + MythTV 0.21) |
| [00:46:22] | jroysdon: | All I really had to do was add the firmware cx18 to get the analog working |
| [00:46:56] | jroysdon: | Running the scan instructions they say doesn't appear to do anything |
| [00:47:05] | jroysdon: | I just get a blank scanning screen |
| [00:47:14] | mzb_d800: | line 1209+ is what we're after, right? |
| [00:47:18] | jroysdon: | (and Finish is selectable, appearing that it is done) |
| [00:47:46] | bocaJ: | so analog isn't working for you either? |
| [00:47:55] | jroysdon: | analog works fine |
| [00:48:00] | mzb_d800: | doesn't look to be a lot of leeway |
| [00:48:00] | jroysdon: | 2009-03–14 17:44:35.141 DVBChan(6:0) Error: Opening DVB frontend device failed. |
| [00:48:00] | jroysdon: | eno: Device or resource busy (16) |
| [00:48:01] | bocaJ: | oh, cool |
| [00:48:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Yes, and then I have to map the characters in the table above. ;-) |
| [00:48:14] | jroysdon: | May have a problem with something else with the dvb (digital) tuner |
| [00:48:32] | jroysdon: | root was able to use the dvbscan tool just fine though |
| [00:48:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: How's this look? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thum . . . _Smartie.jpg |
| [00:49:08] | mzb_d800: | sexy as ;) |
| [00:49:29] | mzb_d800: | (seconds might be pushing it though;) |
| [00:50:09] | jroysdon: | ah, let me kill mythbackend and try setup again |
| [00:50:17] | bocaJ: | lol |
| [00:50:25] | bocaJ: | That would be important |
| [00:50:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: I just meant for the big characters. ;-) |
| [00:50:41] | jroysdon: | well, mythdora allows you to click right to the mythtvsetup and I would assume it stops things |
| [00:50:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | The current implementation would be identical to what you have now, but with the pretty numbers. ;-) |
| [00:50:52] | jroysdon: | (it allows me to edit the analog stuff just fine w/o stopping mythbackend) |
| [00:51:41] | jroysdon: | same problem with mythbackend stopped |
| [00:51:44] | mzb_d800: | ok, yes, _SeXy_NuMB3rz_ please! ;) |
| [00:51:44] | bocaJ: | if it still doesn't work, then you might need to go with the dvb-tools approach, I have just had very bad luck with it. |
| [00:52:24] | jroysdon: | ah, mythbackend was still running, even though it said it stopped it |
| [00:52:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: I'm workin' on it.. ;-) |
| [00:52:51] | jroysdon: | ok, mythtv can use the manual dvbscan now. Let me try it via mythtv setup |
| [00:53:18] | mzb_d800: | I'm just mapping the existing font to see _why_ they haven't done diagonals before |
| [00:54:52] | jroysdon: | mythbackend keeps starting itself |
| [00:54:53] | jroysdon: | argh |
| [00:55:15] | bocaJ: | how are you closing it? |
| [00:55:27] | mzb_d800: | gawd, looks crude |
| [00:55:39] | jroysdon: | With mythdora/fedora I use: service mythbackend stop |
| [00:56:00] | mzb_d800: | top of the 0 (old way) http://openpaste.org/en/12336/ |
| [00:56:02] | jroysdon: | it still started itself again, bah, but at least the scan was able to start |
| [00:56:03] | bocaJ: | hmm, maybe you should try killing it? |
| [00:56:18] | jroysdon: | bocaJ – it did kill it, but it started itself back up |
| [00:56:24] | jroysdon: | scan is working anyway |
| [00:56:35] | bocaJ: | cool, that will make your life easier |
| [00:56:52] | jroysdon: | yeah, I just wish it said it failed and was unable to access it, not just exit with a blank screen |
| [00:57:00] | jroysdon: | (for the novice, it's totally unhelpful) |
| [00:57:26] | bocaJ: | hehe – I have banged my head so much with some of this stuff. |
| [00:59:20] | jroysdon: | woo, found a few channels |
| [00:59:34] | jroysdon: | ah, most are encrypted, but I expect that |
| [00:59:39] | mzb_d800: | J-e-f-f-A: so going by the diagonals I pasted before (numbered 0,1,2,3), a new 0 would be: http://openpaste.org/en/12337/ |
| [01:00:17] | mzb_d800: | but apart from the 1-pixel spacing between "blocks" I can't really see why they've gone to so much effort to make it look ugly! |
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| [01:01:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Yep. ;-) I was just mapping out all the characters 'manually' to see the best way to present some of the other numbers, and perhaps make '3' and '4' look better... |
| [01:02:35] | jroysdon: | heh, found it. mythdora has a "feature" which checks each minute to make sure mythbackend is running, and if not, starts it |
| [01:02:48] | jroysdon: | (a crontab entry for the mythtv user) |
| [01:03:06] | jroysdon: | it's nice as it keeps things working when they crash, but, oh, odd for maintainance |
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| [01:04:47] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... and Frank Jepsens does it in 3 lines |
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| [01:12:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: What do you think, hollow colon or solid colon? |
| [01:13:12] | mzb_d800: | I think a normal "o" would probably do the job |
| [01:13:34] | mzb_d800: | that being said: flashing between hollow and filled would be schmick ;) |
| [01:13:38] | sid3windr: | for anyone using live tv, is there a way to, from the epg, go to a channel? :/ |
| [01:13:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... ;-) |
| [01:13:51] | sid3windr: | I can make it record a show from there but I can't seem to just switch to it |
| [01:13:53] | mzb_d800: | gotcha '_ |
| [01:13:59] | mzb_d800: | s/;) |
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| [01:15:51] | jduggan: | sid3windr: settings->tv settings->programme guide |
| [01:16:04] | jduggan: | sid3windr: cpl pages in is a setting 'use select to change channels in the guide' |
| [01:16:45] | sid3windr: | great, thanks! |
| [01:17:45] | jroysdon: | woohoo, the scan worked, and I have HD channels w/Comcast working |
| [01:17:57] | bocaJ: | awesome! |
| [01:17:59] | jroysdon: | ok, so how do I map all these lovely channels with my schedules direct info? |
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| [01:18:06] | bocaJ: | did you get the extended basic SD channels too? |
| [01:18:17] | sid3windr: | [15|02:15:50] < jduggan> sid3windr: settings->tv settings->programme guide |
| [01:18:20] | sid3windr: | [15|02:16:04] < jduggan> sid3windr: cpl pages in is a setting 'use select to change channels in the guide' |
| [01:18:23] | jroysdon: | Yeah, like for my channel 3 I have a 3–1 HD and 3–2 SD |
| [01:18:24] | sid3windr: | err |
| [01:18:28] | ** sid3windr slaps the middle mouse button ** | |
| [01:18:36] | sid3windr: | 'scuse me ;) |
| [01:18:40] | jroysdon: | (Channel 3 is regular broadcast KRCA channel) |
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| [01:18:44] | bocaJ: | jroy – you're not going to like the answer. Watch each channel, figure out what channel it is, and add the appropriate XMLTV ID |
| [01:19:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Ok, working on it... should have something to show off in 15 mins or so... ;-) |
| [01:19:13] | jroysdon: | bocaJ oh, ok, that's no big deal, I only have like 20 channels |
| [01:19:18] | bocaJ: | ah |
| [01:19:22] | jroysdon: | (any they are pretty obvious) |
| [01:19:28] | jroysdon: | mini-basic Comcast package |
| [01:19:37] | jroysdon: | costs me the same to have it or not with my Comcast internet |
| [01:19:41] | mzb_d800: | I'm trying a different set of custom chars. full diagonals aren't working for me |
| [01:20:09] | jroysdon: | w/o the mini-basic CableTV my internet is $50. w/mini-basic for $13+2 tax it is $35 for internet ($50 total) |
| [01:20:55] | bocaJ: | yeah, comcast does that |
| [01:21:17] | jroysdon: | yup, so even when I never had a TV hooked up, just kept the mini-basic |
| [01:22:20] | jroysdon: | OMG – Jewelry TV, what have I been missing, hah |
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| [01:22:27] | bocaJ: | I know! |
| [01:22:41] | jroysdon: | gotta block that one |
| [01:22:56] | bocaJ: | one nice thing though for me is that in the radio-tv channels, I get the local NPR station |
| [01:23:23] | jroysdon: | oh, I wonder if I get that too |
| [01:23:40] | bocaJ: | did you enable audio only channels in the scan? |
| [01:23:59] | jroysdon: | I didn't see that option. Cool, I get FX |
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| [01:26:19] | jroysdon: | joy, I seem to have a gazillion Spanish channels now |
| [01:27:48] | jroysdon: | uhm, ok, it appears one channel I have is showing two images |
| [01:27:55] | bocaJ: | yep |
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| [01:28:06] | jroysdon: | at the same time. One is wider in the upper-right, and a smaller in the bottom-left |
| [01:28:12] | bocaJ: | I get that one too, it is the TV guide channel |
| [01:28:14] | jroysdon: | What is that? Or is it really on that channel that way |
| [01:28:22] | jroysdon: | ah, ok, why two views of it? |
| [01:29:09] | bocaJ: | I know that normally one of the images will fit in the corner of what you're normally browsing in, and I guess the other is used some other time |
| [01:29:19] | bocaJ: | it really isn't particular important |
| [01:37:04] | mzb_d800: | J-e-f-f-A: I'm starting to think three lines is better ... maybe I need more caffeine ;) |
| [01:38:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: That may be, but the current implementation of the bigclock in lcdproc won't let you do that... |
| [01:39:03] | mzb_d800: | yeah |
| [01:39:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: I'm trying to test my changes now... ^^ (another reason why I like the idea of building a diffferent LCD driver, and adding an option to use "lcdproc" or mine, or whatever...) |
| [01:39:58] | mzb_d800: | cool |
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| [01:43:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Humm.. it didn't 'take'... looking into why now – still has the old font... doh! |
| [01:43:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Oh, wait – I think I know why... ;-) one sec... |
| [01:44:16] | jroysdon: | Ok, so now I have 4 tuners, and I think I have just about all channels on both (well, perhaps I don't have a few SD-only channels on the digital) – but how do I tell it which to record for things? Tuner Priority? And then how does it decide which show to record on which? Higher priority show gets the higher priority (digital) tuner? |
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| [01:48:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: success!!!! |
| [01:48:28] | mzb_d800: | got a camera? |
| [01:50:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, I've got a little fixing to do, but looks MUCH better... Crappy work cell-phone pics coming in a couple of minutes... |
| [01:53:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Humm... For some reason my bigclock patches don't seem to be present on this install... it's forced to 24-hour format... wlel, good enough to show you, I'll fix that in a few mins... |
| [01:53:26] | mzb_d800: | k |
| [01:54:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Not the ones for the character font, the ones that change the display format between 12 and 24 hr... |
| [02:02:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/lcd/new_bigclock1.jpg and http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/lcd/new_bigclock2.jpg |
| [02:03:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: I'm fixing the '5' now... |
| [02:03:55] | mzb_d800: | excellent |
| [02:05:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: It looks like the hd44780.so may be the only file to change... I could probably just plop that file up on my server for you to try... |
| [02:06:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: IE: The only file I changed was adv_bignum.c – and I didn't have the updated hd44780.so in the right lib dir, once I did, the character changes were there. |
| [02:08:16] | mzb_d800: | http://openpaste.org/en/12339/ |
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| [02:08:32] | mzb_d800: | I think I've got that to 8 chars |
| [02:09:15] | mzb_d800: | 5 needs medical attention |
| [02:09:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | Well, let's see if you lik this once i fix the '5'. ;-) |
| [02:11:38] | mzb_d800: | 5 slightly corrected: ### ZERO ### |
| [02:11:38] | mzb_d800: | ____X|XXXXX|X____ |
| [02:11:38] | mzb_d800: | ___XX|XXXXX|XX___ |
| [02:11:38] | mzb_d800: | __XXX|XXXXX|XXX__ |
| [02:11:38] | mzb_d800: | _XXXX|XXXXX|XXXX_ |
| [02:11:38] | mzb_d800: | XXXXX|XXXXX|XXXXX |
| [02:11:40] | mzb_d800: | XXXXX|XXXXX|XXXXX |
| [02:11:42] | mzb_d800: | XXXXX|XXXXX|XXXXX |
| [02:11:44] | mzb_d800: | XXXXX|XXXXX|XXXXX |
| [02:11:46] | mzb_d800: | -----+-----+----- |
| [02:11:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | uh-oh! |
| [02:11:48] | mzb_d800: | XXXXX|_____|XXXXX |
| [02:11:50] | mzb_d800: | XXXXX|_____|XXXXX |
| [02:11:52] | mzb_d800: | XXXXX|_____|XXXXX |
| [02:11:54] | mzb_d800: | XXXXX|_____|XXXXX |
| [02:11:55] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o kormoc | |
| [02:11:56] | mzb_d800: | XXXXX|_____|XXXXX |
| [02:11:58] | mzb_d800: | XXXXX|_____|XXXXX |
| [02:12:00] | mzb_d800 has been kicked from #mythtv-users by kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc (kormoc) | |
| [02:12:01] | hads: | Bye |
| [02:12:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... he did pastebin before, must have highlighted the wrong window... doh! |
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| [02:12:48] | mzb_d800: | ____X|XXXXX|X____ |
| [02:12:50] | mzb_d800: | ### ONE ### |
| [02:12:52] | mzb_d800: | ____X|XXXXX|_____ |
| [02:12:54] | hads: | Erm |
| [02:12:54] | mzb_d800: | ___XX|XXXXX|_____ |
| [02:12:56] | mzb_d800 has been kicked from #mythtv-users by kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc (kormoc) | |
| [02:13:07] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [02:13:14] | _abbenormal: | thick headed |
| [02:13:28] | hads: | Not nessecarily |
| [02:13:31] | iamlindoro: | that's odd, mzb is good people, he wouldn't do anything like that intentionally suually |
| [02:13:36] | iamlindoro: | er usually |
| [02:13:41] | hads: | autojoin |
| [02:13:46] | iamlindoro: | may have had an auto-rejoin of some sort set, though |
| [02:13:47] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [02:13:51] | _abbenormal: | yup could be |
| [02:14:21] | _abbenormal: | hi iamlindoro |
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| [02:14:25] | iamlindoro: | hi _abbenormal |
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| [02:14:50] | mzb_d800: | -----+-----+----- |
| [02:14:53] | mzb_d800: | ____X|XXXXX|_____ |
| [02:14:54] | iamlindoro: | ruh oh |
| [02:14:54] | mzb_d800: | ___XX|XXXX_|_____ |
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| [02:15:05] | iamlindoro: | heh, I'm convinced that's not intentional |
| [02:15:35] | iamlindoro: | especially as chunks of the paste are coming through mid-paste |
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| [02:15:45] | mzb_d800: | better? |
| [02:15:51] | kormoc: | Seems to be |
| [02:15:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yes! ;-) |
| [02:15:55] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, whahappen? |
| [02:16:05] | mzb_d800: | no way of knowing what was going at my end ... apart from pm |
| [02:16:20] | mzb_d800: | pressed ctrl-v instead of middle-click! |
| [02:16:23] | mzb_d800: | doh |
| [02:16:25] | mzb_d800: | sorry all |
| [02:16:29] | kormoc: | np |
| [02:16:30] | sid3windr: | haha |
| [02:16:32] | Mode for #mythtv-users by kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc : -o kormoc | |
| [02:16:33] | sid3windr: | you're on linux |
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| [02:16:54] | sid3windr: | let's name it "The One With the 15 different clipboards" |
| [02:17:02] | iamlindoro: | I admit to *never* having middle-clicked for its intended purpose on linux |
| [02:17:13] | mzb_d800: | as I have been for a decade ... just not enough caffeine |
| [02:17:21] | ** sid3windr promotes klipper "sync clipboards" to general klipper ** | |
| [02:17:23] | kormoc: | I never used anything but the middle click clipboard on linux |
| [02:17:31] | kormoc: | I miss it a lot now that I'm on osx |
| [02:17:45] | mzb_d800: | handy for all sorts of things |
| [02:17:51] | hads: | middle click paste rocks |
| [02:17:52] | sid3windr: | I do miss the middleclick on firefox/mozilla on windows |
| [02:18:00] | iamlindoro: | I'm just too comfortable with keyboard shortcuts, I like to ignore the mouse when possible |
| [02:18:03] | mzb_d800: | (as long as you don't stuff it!) |
| [02:18:11] | iamlindoro: | all a matter of taste, of course |
| [02:18:30] | mzb_d800: | 'solutely! |
| [02:18:36] | jroysdon: | I hate mice. I love the trackpad, and I'm on a laptop 99% of the time |
| [02:19:02] | ** jroysdon is all command line/keyboard options ** | |
| [02:19:30] | mzb_d800: | I feel negative WAF coming my way .... time to hide (aka: get ready to go to her brother's birthday), I guess. |
| [02:19:58] | mzb_d800: | going to need a double ration of beer to get through this one ... *sigh* ... such hard work ;) |
| [02:20:23] | mzb_d800: | not sure if 1/2 dozen long necks is such a good plan, though |
| [02:20:43] | Lexridge: | Is it possible on an HVR1600 to record from the S-VHS input and either tuner at the same time? |
| [02:20:45] | ** mzb_d800 has been summoned ** | |
| [02:21:35] | jroysdon: | Lexridge – I have a hvr1600, but am new to it. I have a hvr500 as well, and you cannot use the S-VHS on it while you use the analog at the same time |
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| [02:21:57] | jroysdon: | I would assume the S-VHS on the hvr1600 will use the same tuner the analog needs |
| [02:22:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Lexridge: You should be able to use the Digital tuner at the same time as any ONE of the analog inputs. |
| [02:22:18] | ** jroysdon nods in agreement with J-e-f-f-A ** | |
| [02:22:30] | lifewithryan: | okay, been all over ivtv — have pvr350 as backend only...video is scrambled, not a digital signal |
| [02:22:36] | Lexridge: | okay, I figured it would be something like that. |
| [02:22:48] | lifewithryan: | cat /dev/video0> test.mpg is scrambled, so its not really myth...anyone know what it could be? |
| [02:23:08] | jroysdon: | lifewithryan – what does a standard tv show you? |
| [02:23:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | lifewithryan: wong video standard set? IE: PAL vs NTSC? |
| [02:23:29] | lifewithryan: | Nope NTSC check...standard TV shows me a normal signal |
| [02:24:09] | lifewithryan: | I've tuned to a known frequency, using IVTV latest and greatest, and scrambled video is result. card was working two years ago |
| [02:24:19] | lifewithryan: | been sitting idle ever since |
| [02:24:22] | lifewithryan: | turned off, etc |
| [02:25:11] | lifewithryan: | NTSC is USA right? |
| [02:25:16] | bocaJ: | yeah |
| [02:25:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | lifewithryan: Yes. |
| [02:25:22] | lifewithryan: | good |
| [02:25:46] | lifewithryan: | using latest mythbuntu, card is found just fine |
| [02:25:54] | lifewithryan: | dmesg doesn't show any errors |
| [02:26:21] | jroysdon: | lifewithryan – how about playing from a vcr/dvd device into it? |
| [02:26:36] | lifewithryan: | haven't tried that... |
| [02:26:50] | jroysdon: | Just a thought, although I think it'll show the same results |
| [02:27:09] | jroysdon: | (just more proof that it is the card/driver) |
| [02:27:20] | lifewithryan: | i just don't get it...it was fine... |
| [02:27:35] | lifewithryan: | i guess I'll just have to rip open my wifes windows box, throw it in there and see if it works |
| [02:27:47] | lifewithryan: | if it does, then I know its the driver |
| [02:28:40] | lifewithryan: | if it doesn't, i know its the card |
| [02:28:59] | lifewithryan: | i've even submitted to the ivtv mailing list...nada |
| [02:30:03] | lifewithryan: | maybe i'll try a different slot or something grasping at straws here |
| [02:30:11] | lifewithryan: | thanks though |
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| [02:43:09] | jroysdon: | Argh, I'm trying to edit individual channels in my lineup. One channel I have just doesn't appear to be in my Comcast area list (LATV, channel 40–2). How can I map it? |
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| [02:49:02] | jroysdon: | Can I just copy the XMLTV ID's from my SD lineup to my digital lineup for channels that match? |
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| [02:53:48] | lifewithryan: | is it possible that my coax is "good enough" for my TV but just not good enough for my card?? |
| [02:54:04] | lifewithryan: | i mean the son of bitch has video, just scrambled like a bad signal or something |
| [02:54:09] | jroysdon: | or perhaps your PC is causing some interference? |
| [02:54:14] | LanUser: | Has anyone been able to download Jean-Yves patch #20206 from Friday? The link doesn't seem to be valid. |
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| [03:16:36] | Lexridge: | how does one record the entire stream from an off-air station? I was just reading on the wiki that it's possible, but it doesn't go into how to do it. |
| [03:17:44] | Lexridge: | multiplexed stream, I should have said. |
| [03:18:36] | Lexridge: | here is a link: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Record_multiple_ch . . . ne_multiplex |
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| [03:19:50] | fnc: | hey all, im trying to set up some userjobs, but when i go and look, they all just say queued – am i missing something obvious here? |
| [03:21:38] | jroysdon: | Why does Comcast show a Digital channel as say 71, but MythTV numbered it 78#2 ? |
| [03:21:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | fnc: perhaps it's already running the 'max jobs' on that system already, so the others are queued? |
| [03:22:14] | fnc: | nothing is running |
| [03:22:44] | fnc: | recorded 2 shows earilier.. all three finished the flag commercials |
| [03:22:53] | fnc: | now i just have the 3 user jobs that are queued |
| [03:23:18] | Lexridge: | Doesn't it mean when it queued that it awaiting processing? |
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| [03:23:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | fnc: Humm... dunno, haven't ventured into them as of yet, even though I've been using myth for several years now... ;-) |
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| [03:23:58] | jroysdon: | Hmm, and just what is the Channel Number matter when editing via LiveTV? It doesn't appear to re-order the channels to match... |
| [03:24:06] | fnc: | yeah.. same here, this is my first go out it... |
| [03:26:46] | fnc: | does rm -rf follow symlinks'? or just del the link? |
| [03:27:23] | GreyFoxx: | deletes the link |
| [03:27:49] | kormoc: | depends on the syntax |
| [03:28:14] | kormoc: | rm -rf /home/user/symlink won't follow the symlink /home/user/symlink/ does I believe? |
| [03:28:24] | bocaJ: | hey jroy – you can go back into the mythtvsetup and make it order by channel number, and it will adjust the order based on what you set it to. Also, as far as what comcast says and what reality is, you'll find that there is little relation. I think that comcast figures people are too dumb to go from thinking in numbers 2–99 to one channel-sub channel, so they just program their boxes to be whatever. |
| [03:28:33] | iamlindoro: | why would one use the recursive flag to delete a symlink anyway? |
| [03:28:44] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [03:28:49] | iamlindoro: | just delete the thing |
| [03:28:56] | fnc: | folders too |
| [03:29:05] | GreyFoxx: | probably more worried about an -rf on something that contains asymlink to outside folders |
| [03:29:21] | fnc: | exactly |
| [03:29:25] | iamlindoro: | generally speaking, no, -rf should not follow the symlinks if you use it alone |
| [03:30:17] | fnc: | any idea why my userjobs are sitting there queued, no other jobs running |
| [03:30:32] | iamlindoro: | you haven't set them to enabled on your backend |
| [03:30:44] | iamlindoro: | There's more to a user job than filling in the command line |
| [03:30:57] | iamlindoro: | you have to tick the enable on this backend box on one of the other mythtv-setup pages |
| [03:31:05] | fnc: | can they be set to enabled through the mythweb |
| [03:31:22] | iamlindoro: | probably, but why not do it the right way? |
| [03:31:37] | ** iamlindoro grumbles about people wanting to edit DB fields all the time ** | |
| [03:31:38] | fnc: | cuz the backends in the closet |
| [03:31:53] | iamlindoro: | ssh -X user@ip.add.ress |
| [03:31:58] | iamlindoro: | mythtv-setup |
| [03:32:00] | kormoc: | can't via mythweb for now |
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| [03:33:34] | bocaJ: | hey, I'm sure some of you are getting sick of hearing me ask this, but does anyone know how to use mythtranscode to cut commercials while maintaining a TS Stream, rather than a PS stream |
| [03:33:43] | bocaJ: | ? |
| [03:34:08] | iamlindoro: | and lexridge, multirec will "just work" assuming you schedule multiple recordings which are on the same multiplex and have "max recordings" on that tuner card set high enough to account for the # of recordings you set up |
| [03:34:20] | iamlindoro: | Lexridge, There's no function to just say "record whole multiplex" |
| [03:34:24] | wagnerrp: | what are you doing that you need a TS stream? |
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| [03:34:36] | bocaJ: | I'm watching videos on my PS3 |
| [03:34:48] | Lexridge: | iamlindoro: okay, that makes sense. Thanks. |
| [03:34:49] | bocaJ: | It gets no sound with PS |
| [03:34:51] | iamlindoro: | PS is your only option |
| [03:34:57] | iamlindoro: | with mythtranscode, anyway |
| [03:34:57] | wagnerrp: | ah... i remember something about that |
| [03:35:11] | wagnerrp: | make a userjob to go back through with ffmpeg, and remux it |
| [03:35:15] | bocaJ: | the release notes for .21 say there's an option to output to a TS stream |
| [03:35:15] | fnc: | iamlindoro: thanks.. i hadnt ssh -x'd before |
| [03:35:34] | iamlindoro: | bocaJ, The option was broken and the help text for it removed |
| [03:35:42] | iamlindoro: | didn't work, doesn't exist |
| [03:36:20] | iamlindoro: | at least, that was the case last time I talked to Janne about it |
| [03:36:24] | iamlindoro: | do as wagnerrp suggests |
| [03:36:29] | fnc: | iamlindoro: cool it ran my jobs too.. thanks for the help |
| [03:36:33] | iamlindoro: | ffmpeg -i infile.mpg -acodec copy -vcodec copy outfile.ts |
| [03:36:43] | iamlindoro: | will give you a mpegts |
| [03:36:46] | iamlindoro: | fnc, no problem |
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| [03:36:53] | bocaJ: | iamlindora – thanks |
| [03:37:17] | iamlindoro: | np, you can thank wagnerrp :) |
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| [03:37:44] | bocaJ: | iamlindora – is it possible to do taht with the first output file so that I'll still be able to cut commercials? |
| [03:38:10] | iamlindoro: | first output file? |
| [03:38:13] | fnc: | anyone happen to use a popcorn hour here? |
| [03:38:30] | kormoc: | Popcorn is measured in time? |
| [03:38:41] | fnc: | www.popcornhour.com |
| [03:38:52] | bocaJ: | that is to say, if I run it through mythtranscode first to get an edited ps mgeg, will that line still output in mpegts |
| [03:39:30] | kormoc: | I'd spend the extra money for a nvidia ion or mac mini, get the 9400 video |
| [03:39:55] | iamlindoro: | bocaJ, yes, the idea is that once you have edited out your commercials, you would run the command I showed you above and have a ts output |
| [03:40:17] | bocaJ: | And that is lossless? |
| [03:40:26] | iamlindoro: | yes, it's not even a transcode |
| [03:40:35] | bocaJ: | fantastic, thank you both! |
| [03:44:17] | fnc: | kormac: it plays just about everything, even full m2ts streams |
| [03:44:44] | wagnerrp: | bocaJ: there are codecs and containers |
| [03:44:47] | wagnerrp: | ts is just a container |
| [03:45:06] | wagnerrp: | all youre doing is a stream copy, and generating some descriptor information |
| [03:45:23] | kormoc: | fnc, ooh, it runs it's own interface/os then. Fair 'nuff |
| [03:45:29] | kormoc: | limits what it can do with myth tho |
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| [03:45:53] | wagnerrp: | fnc: what limits are there on the hardware decoder? |
| [03:46:33] | wagnerrp: | im certain there are reasonable limits on the number of reference frames |
| [03:48:03] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Similar to VDPAU, it'll fail on damaged streams that software decode plays like a champ |
| [03:48:39] | ** iamlindoro sits in his rocking chair, puts a wheat husk in his teeth ** | |
| [03:48:50] | iamlindoro: | you youngsters and yer hardware decode... |
| [03:49:03] | _abbenormal: | lmao |
| [03:49:07] | ** iamlindoro hugs software decode ** | |
| [03:49:23] | iamlindoro: | Wake me when a hardware decoder is even remotely as fault tolerant :) |
| [03:49:28] | wagnerrp: | well i know vdpau had considerably less restrictive h264 options than my ps3 |
| [03:49:42] | kormoc: | you middle age folks and your software decode. Back in my day, we had dedicated hardware for everything! Want to use a decimal point? Better buy a dedicated floating point co-processor! |
| [03:49:58] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, When I was a youth we decoded with colored pencils! |
| [03:50:10] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [03:50:12] | wagnerrp: | although i dont remember my PS3 ever barfing on an ATSC stream the way VDPAU sometimes does |
| [03:50:46] | iamlindoro: | I wonder if the PS3 does MPEG-2 in software |
| [03:50:55] | iamlindoro: | it might as well, it should be fairly trivial for it |
| [03:51:14] | wagnerrp: | hell, h264 would be fairly trivial for it |
| [03:51:44] | iamlindoro: | indeed, all things are possible when you built the box you're writing decoders for :) |
| [03:51:45] | wagnerrp: | theres enough single precision power to rape anything short of a quad opteron |
| [03:51:47] | Lexridge: | iamlindoro: regarding the multiplexed stream recording as understood, I would then think I could record...say, channel 12.1 and watch 12.2, but that doesn't work. |
| [03:52:05] | iamlindoro: | Lexridge, have you set max recordings adequately high in your tuner card setup? |
| [03:52:11] | wagnerrp: | rather, a quad quad opteron |
| [03:52:25] | wagnerrp: | and it still probably has more FP capacity |
| [03:52:32] | Lexridge: | iamlindoro: I have it set to four. Lemme double check it. |
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| [04:05:30] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i have to assume mpeg2 decoding is done on the cell, because of the talk of using a cell to decode 48 simultaneous streams for a TV |
| [04:06:25] | wagnerrp: | and since the cell has no form of hardware acceleration, and i cant find any mention of it in the RSX, i believe all decoding is done in software |
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| [04:09:24] | wagnerrp: | unless maybe the decode hardware is integrated with the bdrom |
| [04:10:56] | clever: | like old CD drives that 'decode' the audio and output the analog sound without a sound card |
| [04:11:21] | clever: | though it could wind up using alot more bandwidth on the interface |
| [04:12:28] | wagnerrp: | i suppose they couldnt have built it into the IO bridge, but i dont find that likely |
| [04:13:07] | clever: | would uncompressed 1080 be enough to saturate something like a sata2 link? |
| [04:13:33] | iamlindoro: | given you can play high bitrate h.264 and MPEG-2 via uPnP on it, putting hardware decode on the BD-ROM would seem unlikely |
| [04:14:00] | wagnerrp: | well the bdrom has some form of proprietary interconnect |
| [04:14:03] | clever: | enless you can also route data into the drive for decoding |
| [04:14:18] | wagnerrp: | which may be 'sata on a stamped ribbon cable' |
| [04:36:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: here ya go... http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/lcd/bigclock_font/ |
| [04:36:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: I've got to get to bed... ttyl... ;-) |
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| [05:24:57] | jroysdon: | Ok, I'm trying to get things to record on the right tuner, and it doesn't want to listen. |
| [05:25:23] | jroysdon: | If I tell it in the schedule the preferred recording tuner is my digital one, it doesn't listen (there is nothing else recording) |
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| [05:25:56] | bocaJ: | jroy – do you really need the analog tuner? |
| [05:26:07] | jroysdon: | for conflicts, yes |
| [05:26:13] | bocaJ: | fair enough |
| [05:26:14] | jroysdon: | further, I want to start padding shows with 5 minutes before and after |
| [05:26:19] | jroysdon: | We're a family of 6 |
| [05:26:30] | jroysdon: | 4 kids, 3 boys, 3 girls, lotta different interests |
| [05:26:51] | jroysdon: | So, I have the pvr500 for 2 analogs, pvr1600 with 1 more analog and 1 digital |
| [05:27:15] | jroysdon: | I want my shows recording on the digital, unless it is a conflict give the lower priority show an analog tuner |
| [05:27:38] | jroysdon: | I changed the digital tuner to a priority of 1, and left the other 3 analogs at priority of 0 (in the setup) |
| [05:28:01] | jroysdon: | I'm not sure what the priority number means – I figured higher meant this was the one that should be recorded on if available first. |
| [05:28:27] | bocaJ: | is there possibly another show that would conflict with the first recording that makes myth save the digital tuner? |
| [05:28:48] | jroysdon: | ah, lemme look in the upcoming |
| [05:29:12] | jroysdon: | no, nothing until tomorrow at 8am |
| [05:30:09] | bocaJ: | hmm, and you've already set all the xmltv ID's on the digital tuner? (not just the channel numbers...) |
| [05:31:48] | jroysdon: | yes |
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| [05:32:30] | jroysdon: | Interesting, upcoming recordings shows it will use the digital first for all the shows, except conflicts |
| [05:32:34] | jroysdon: | maybe it was just a fluke |
| [05:32:56] | clever: | it may prefer digital because of the obvious quality bonus |
| [05:35:08] | jroysdon: | no, the problem was the opposite |
| [05:35:47] | jroysdon: | I went to the web interface listings and told it to record a show currently on, and told it to prefer the digital tuner |
| [05:35:51] | jroysdon: | It used the analog |
| [05:36:21] | clever: | i beleive it will generaly prefer inputs with lower id#'s (in the order you added them) |
| [05:36:22] | jroysdon: | may have just been a fluke, or due to us doing some live tv stuff earlier on the digital |
| [05:41:01] | jroysdon: | ok, so perhaps I want to do the opposite of what I've done. Set the digital tuner to priority 0, and the analogs to priority 1, and for each higher priority show to me I will tell the schedule to use the digital... hmm, I dunno |
| [05:43:34] | bocaJ: | if it looks right now...why mess with it? |
| [05:45:36] | jroysdon: | yeah, I guess that's true |
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| [06:02:04] | RHCT_Tuxi: | Hello everybody; I have my MythTV running with the db, and I am trying to scan for channel, and it looks okay, until around 40% then mythtv closes. What can be wrong, and where do I look for logfiles? |
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| [06:07:52] | jroysdon: | Ok, for some reason it wants to record the same show at the same time on the digital and the analog (but just on a given set of call letters, the rest of the upcoming stuff seems fine). Any ideas? |
| [06:10:14] | jroysdon: | I think I fixed it. I made the call letters match |
| [06:10:22] | RHCT_Tuxi: | jroysdon Hi I think everybody are a sleep in :-) |
| [06:10:58] | jroysdon: | yeah, yeah ;-p |
| [06:14:28] | RHCT_Tuxi: | When I try to open MythTV it gives me this error in the log file (AutoExpire: ERROR: Filesystem Info cache is empty, unable to calculate necessary parameters.) any ideas ? |
| [06:16:44] | RHCT_Tuxi: | What should I run MythTV as... root or a user?, and if I put up some settings as root will the user be able to use it? |
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| [06:18:43] | TV_joe: | What should I run MythTV as... root or a user?, and if I put up some settings as root will the user be able to use it? |
| [06:26:05] | kormoc: | settings are in the database by hostname, so run as whatever |
| [06:27:17] | TV_joe: | kormoc Thanks for adding in. mythtv keeps complaining about some paths when I quit, live tv and starndard. Where is it trying to create them? |
| [06:27:44] | kormoc: | It never creates them, it uses the one you set in mythtv-setup |
| [06:28:25] | TV_joe: | kormoc Okay, but I don't seam to be able to specify where is shall create them... |
| [06:28:46] | kormoc: | It won't ever create them, you have to create them and then tell myth where they are |
| [06:29:21] | TV_joe: | kormoc with a compleat path? like you know /tmp/myjunk/tv ? |
| [06:29:33] | kormoc: | yes |
| [06:30:19] | TV_joe: | kormoc Okay thanks.... How do I remove the existing entries and set them correct, I don't seam to be able to delete them ? |
| [06:30:28] | kormoc: | just edit them |
| [06:30:42] | TV_joe: | kormoc Okay thanks.... I'll try ;-) |
| [06:34:10] | Interface-: | from what i read, the analog tuner on the HVR-1800 is currently not supported by mythtv... any idea where i can find status updates on that? |
| [06:34:23] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [06:34:40] | kormoc: | What status updates can there be? "Still not being worked on."? |
| [06:35:07] | TV_joe: | kormoc what do this mean "Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy" ? |
| [06:35:07] | Shadow__X: | kormoc, one thing i have noticed is that when you blink i cant wait for the yelling to begin |
| [06:35:43] | Interface-: | kormoc : yes, for example |
| [06:36:11] | kormoc: | TV_joe, that can be cause by a million things, you should have more then that in the logs |
| [06:36:38] | kormoc: | Interface-, well, you can print out "Still not being worked on." and mail it to yourself weekly if you want. |
| [06:37:09] | Interface-: | thnx, i'll set up a cron job |
| [06:38:31] | TV_joe: | kormoc I found /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log where else should I look for log files? |
| [06:39:23] | kormoc: | there should be more info above or below that line that would hopefully give some context |
| [06:46:58] | TV_joe: | kormoc now it exits mythtv doing channel scan please see this http://pastebin.com/m3744cda |
| [06:47:27] | kormoc: | SMP system? |
| [06:47:49] | TV_joe: | kormoc it is a HT cpu |
| [06:48:13] | kormoc: | Set the cpu affinity to force it to use a single core |
| [06:48:33] | TV_joe: | kormoc how do I do that? |
| [06:51:29] | kormoc: | you would use taskset |
| [06:53:16] | kormoc: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5832 |
| [06:54:17] | TV_joe: | kormoc There is no DVB-C channels to find, it should look for analog channels |
| [06:54:36] | kormoc: | first, it's a channel scanner bug, not specific to dvb |
| [06:55:11] | kormoc: | second, why not just try it and see? |
| [06:55:54] | TV_joe: | kormoc I would love to but I can't get a grip of what I should do... I'm reading the man page for settast right now |
| [06:56:34] | kormoc: | the command that you need to run is actually in the ticket comments |
| [06:58:12] | TV_joe: | kormoc in the main text or in the attachment ? |
| [06:58:41] | TV_joe: | kormoc sorry I found it |
| [07:00:16] | TV_joe: | kormoc running channel scanner as we chat... |
| [07:04:44] | TV_joe: | kormoc when I try to watch TV after the scan I get http://pastebin.com/m25a5547 |
| [07:05:37] | kormoc: | Are you sure your channel data is correct after the scan? |
| [07:06:39] | TV_joe: | kormoc It hits 100% signals around 45 times and that is the numbers of channel we have on analog cable |
| [07:07:51] | kormoc: | Channel data is Guide data, if that's missing, bad things happen |
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| [07:08:30] | TV_joe: | kormoc but here is no channel data guide given on a analog cabele system |
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| [07:09:12] | Interface-: | turns out it is supported... |
| [07:09:18] | Interface-: | forums > status updates |
| [07:09:36] | kormoc: | Given mythtv doesn't have any forums... |
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| [07:10:16] | Interface-: | some dude posted instructions on an ubuntu forum thread |
| [07:10:46] | Interface-: | let's reformulate my previous statement then |
| [07:10:49] | Interface-: | google > * |
| [07:11:13] | Interface-: | gotta make sure i turn off that email cron job |
| [07:11:20] | Interface-: | nn, thanks for your help |
| [07:12:11] | TV_joe: | kormoc My TV card is a hybrid card. How do I know if it scans for analog or digital channels? |
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| [09:33:10] | jroysdon: | Anyone up? |
| [09:33:18] | kormoc: | nope |
| [09:34:15] | jroysdon: | I've got a mythtv system with a partition, /storage, shows 165G in size, 146G in use, but a du -h on /storage only shows 82G of files... where is the other 60G? |
| [09:36:21] | kormoc: | Myth calculates disk usage based on the entries in the recorded table |
| [09:36:38] | kormoc: | if you deleted files outside of myth, it won't know and thus think they're still there |
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| [09:37:48] | jroysdon: | I'm doing these checks from Linux, not mythtv |
| [09:38:17] | kormoc: | as root? |
| [09:38:48] | jroysdon: | not originally, but yes, same difference |
| [09:39:25] | jroysdon: | What can I run to check/fix the free space on /storage? |
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| [09:40:05] | kormoc: | well, if it's not files using up the space as you think, your filesystem might be corrupted, run a fsck on it, hope it doesn't lose data? |
| [09:40:39] | jroysdon: | right, probably some recordings that got lost or something when the system crashed or something |
| [09:40:46] | jroysdon: | worse cast, I lose some recordings, no big deal |
| [09:41:11] | jroysdon: | It is ext3... unmount /storage and fsck it? |
| [09:41:19] | kormoc: | aye |
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| [09:49:38] | Zanthus: | yessssssssssssssssssssssssss! |
| [09:49:40] | Zanthus: | hi everybody |
| [09:50:03] | jroysdon: | I dunno, I could not umount /storage as it was in use, and there was a defunct backend process probably keeping something open |
| [09:50:13] | jroysdon: | I rebooted, and now there is suddenly 75G free as there should have been |
| [09:50:40] | jroysdon: | Is there a way to make Myth keep more cleaned up? I mean, keeping deleted shows and nearly running out of disk is foolish |
| [09:52:39] | Agrajag-: | uhh no, mythtv manages your disk space for you, you shouldn't need to worry about it |
| [09:52:55] | Agrajag-: | there is a setting for how much free disk space you want myth to leave on the partition |
| [09:54:13] | jroysdon: | well, there was <3gb free and I could not use the archive as it complained about not enough disk space |
| [09:54:18] | jroysdon: | clearly something messed up |
| [09:54:44] | jroysdon: | Any idea where the free disk space setting is? I hate how mythtv has so many settings buried in so many places |
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| [10:10:10] | TV_joe: | Hi I have installed MythDora10 and now I'm having trouble with the sound. I have picture, but no sound... please help |
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| [10:13:43] | TV_joe: | If I test the sound from gnome it works |
| [10:19:06] | TV_joe: | HALLO anybody here??? |
| [10:21:13] | kormoc: | nope |
| [10:22:11] | hads: | Nobody here but us chickens |
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| [12:38:34] | mzb_d800: | J-e-f-f-A: that looks sweet :) |
| [12:39:32] | mzb_d800: | how many custom chars have you used? |
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| [13:06:34] | mzb_d800: | hmm, my trunk FE is consistently rebooting: is this a known issue, or is there a method of diagnosing the issue? |
| [13:07:43] | mzb_d800: | ps: enabling logging hurts playback. |
| [13:08:19] | mzb_d800: | but the issue is not _during_ playback! |
| [13:09:24] | mzb_d800: | J-e-f-f-A: got a patch? |
| [13:09:29] | mzb_d800: | gnite all |
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| [13:16:28] | sid3windr: | is there a way to have the osd thingy longer on-screen with mythtvosd ? |
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| [13:33:33] | zrg: | folks, i want to achieve setup where backend constantly records 6 channels to a huge buffer (day or several backlog) and multiple frontends can view tv from that buffer. From what i understand this should be possible with myth but i cant seem to find out, how.. ideas? |
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| [14:30:37] | JEDIDIAH__: | Just have a rule to record a particular channel. times 6 |
| [14:31:08] | JEDIDIAH__: | stuff will "age" off by itself. |
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| [14:36:44] | zrg: | so i like leave them recording forever and bits will age off the end? |
| [14:36:49] | zrg: | that might work.. |
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| [14:43:10] | TV_joe: | Hi is there anybody in here there have time to help me wit my sound in mythtv...? My sound is working fine from e.g. VLC but there is no sound in MythTV? |
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| [14:52:31] | TV_joe: | Hi is there anybody in here there have time to help me wit my sound in mythtv...? My sound is working fine from e.g. VLC but there is no sound in MythTV? It keeps saying int the log file "NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost! |
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| [16:15:23] | JEDIDIAH__: | Well, you could try playing your recordings directly to see if they were completely intact when they were created. |
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| [16:20:58] | mcquaid: | i know i set it up before, but can't get it working now after a reinstall. I want totem to access myth |
| [16:21:22] | mcquaid: | i don't see a plugin option for myth in totem nor is there anything regarding myth in gconf-editor under totem |
| [16:21:37] | mcquaid: | i don't see any package that would provide this in the reps |
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| [16:26:06] | mcquaid: | ah nm it got broken in intrepid |
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| [16:26:46] | russk: | i just added a HDHomeRun to an existing setup and i'm trying to understand why my schedules for two different inputs are skewed |
| [16:27:19] | russk: | i have local channels on satallite and local channels over HDHomeRun |
| [16:27:39] | _abbenormal: | hey guys is there anyone useing a bt-878 device in myth |
| [16:27:55] | russk: | why would the HDHomeRun be off from schedules-direct? |
| [16:28:43] | wagnerrp: | russk: are you saying youre not grabbing the schedule for your HDHR off SD? |
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| [16:30:06] | russk: | hi wagnerrp, i am getting the schedule for HDHR from SD, but some programs don't match the schedule for satellite when i think they should |
| [16:30:23] | wagnerrp: | why should they? |
| [16:30:44] | wagnerrp: | satellite has nothing to do with local stations |
| [16:30:49] | russk: | they are the same show, like college basketball today for instance |
| [16:31:28] | russk: | i'm getting local channels over satellite |
| [16:31:40] | wagnerrp: | are they actually the local stations? |
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| [16:31:48] | russk: | yes indeed |
| [16:31:49] | wagnerrp: | or are they just major networks? |
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| [16:32:19] | russk: | uh, i think they are actually local |
| [16:32:54] | wagnerrp: | well if they are in fact rebroadcasts of the local stations |
| [16:33:02] | wagnerrp: | they will be at least several seconds behind |
| [16:33:26] | russk: | that would not bother me, but this is a 1.5 hour difference |
| [16:33:38] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what would cause that |
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| [16:34:00] | wagnerrp: | if the actual programs are offset by that much, put up or call the satellite company |
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| [16:34:22] | wagnerrp: | if the programs are only off by a few seconds, contact SD and tell them your schedule is wrong |
| [16:34:25] | russk: | it does not appear to be the program, it's the schedule data |
| [16:34:44] | wagnerrp: | youre paying for SD, youre paying for support when things are broken |
| [16:35:22] | russk: | right, i'll see if they can help me |
| [16:35:43] | russk: | thanks wagnerrp |
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| [18:24:19] | cba123: | How can I get a spare tablet I have to be a myth-remote? I've seen it done with linuxmce, just wondering if it was doable with mythtv. |
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| [18:26:03] | cba123: | And nevermind, I guess I need to practice my google-fu http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17075 |
| [18:26:20] | xand: | hmm, Five US listings gone bye bye |
| [18:26:30] | tifereth: | hi, anyone got some good convert profile settings for dvb-s? |
| [18:26:41] | cba123: | Although that is for an n800, and I have a normal tablet I'd want to use |
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| [18:42:16] | iamlindoro: | "Grey's Anatomy: The Video Game" |
| [18:42:18] | iamlindoro: | WHAT? |
| [18:42:31] | iamlindoro: | http://store.steampowered.com/app/21950/ |
| [18:43:51] | XLV: | somehting like klinton fucker flash based game i suppose |
| [18:44:42] | kormoc: | Language... |
| [18:44:50] | XLV: | ok clinton |
| [18:46:16] | kormoc: | Oh grow up. You're not going to impress or shock us by swearing and pretending you don't know what I ment is just childish... |
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| [18:46:55] | XLV: | i know so i didnt want to impress or shock you.. its just how that flash game was named |
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| [19:10:37] | xand: | anyone know what the new xmltvid is for Five US(A)? |
| [19:10:44] | xand: | at least I guess it's changed |
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| [19:11:46] | xand: | oh, fiveusa. |
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| [19:21:39] | xand: | gah |
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| [19:34:11] | bulle: | hmm, not that much activity here |
| [19:34:37] | kormoc: | Not surprising given there's nothing really to say |
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| [19:37:18] | iamlindoro: | quantity over quality, that's what I always say |
| [19:38:24] | kormoc: | and you say it quite often |
| [19:38:38] | bulle: | anyone knows if there is any stable working support for the wintv-ci usb thingy in linux, i have seen some alpha/beta stuff available in tarballs, but thats about it |
| [19:39:07] | bulle: | its a huge pain in the behind to get hold of the technotrend dvb-c cards here in sweden, you cant, so you have to order from abroad |
| [19:39:34] | iamlindoro: | Last I heard there was no stable support for an USB CI in linux |
| [19:39:40] | iamlindoro: | if you wanted them to work, they needed to be on-board |
| [19:40:22] | bulle: | iamlindoro: i have one, with an extra card, that takes the cam, but i want another tuner, and i have only one slot left |
| [19:40:34] | bulle: | iamlindoro: so i cant buy another technotrend dvb-c setup, as that requires two slots |
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| [19:40:44] | iamlindoro: | slave backend time |
| [19:41:31] | bulle: | iamlindoro: nah, cant realy be arsed with that i think |
| [19:41:39] | bulle: | iamlindoro: atleast i cant afford it right now |
| [19:41:45] | iamlindoro: | so much for that other tuner then :) |
| [19:42:04] | bulle: | yeah, or perhaps try some of those alpha/beta level tarballs |
| [19:42:09] | bulle: | there are reports taht people got it to work |
| [19:42:25] | bulle: | i just need to find a usb ci think to borrow first |
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| [19:43:32] | bulle: | or just use that, horrible, windows media center, and go for softcams, then i can use a single card reader for all the tuners |
| [19:44:27] | bulle: | but with win mce, i would most likely need a new pc aswell, to handle it all |
| [19:45:01] | kormoc: | any talking about softcams in here is a ban-able offense |
| [19:45:08] | bulle: | kormoc: why ? |
| [19:45:39] | kormoc: | Why is covered in the channel FAQ |
| [19:45:45] | bulle: | kormoc: i just go down to local electronics store, buy a bunch of the tuners, and i get a licencsed conax and viaccess softcam licence with them |
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| [19:46:10] | bulle: | kormoc: its a 100% legal thing, they sell here, one of the cable companies even recomend the product |
| [19:46:24] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Softcam |
| [19:46:37] | iamlindoro: | bulle, read that section and I *strongly* suggest not trying to explain or argue any more |
| [19:46:38] | bulle: | kormoc: its a licenced, binary only, softcam, that is for conax and viaccess, and they are approved by conax and viaccess |
| [19:46:47] | iamlindoro: | bulle, Seriously, that's enough... |
| [19:47:09] | bulle: | ye |
| [19:47:13] | bulle: | read the url |
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| [19:47:28] | bulle: | just feels crazy, that i cant talk about something the cable company recomends me to use |
| [19:47:37] | xand: | ARGH |
| [19:47:40] | bulle: | but a-okay |
| [19:47:40] | iamlindoro: | yes, crazy but true-- c'est la vie |
| [19:47:44] | justinh: | channel rules are channel rules |
| [19:47:52] | xand: | fail: update channel set xmltvid = "fiveusa.channel5.co.uk"; |
| [19:47:59] | bulle: | yet anoter usa have totaly crazy laws i guess |
| [19:48:06] | justinh: | you don't like em, go somewhere else :P |
| [19:48:33] | gbee: | xand: extreme fail |
| [19:48:40] | justinh: | xand: use the channel editor in mythweb or mythtv-setup, or indeed mythfrontend (strangely called channel record priorities) |
| [19:49:15] | bulle: | justinh: yeah, i guess us law rules the earth =( |
| [19:49:55] | iamlindoro: | bulle, It's useless complaining about it, nobody is trying to enforce anything but the channel rules, and the US is hardly the only place software decryption has an illegal connotation |
| [19:50:04] | iamlindoro: | so can you PLEASE LET IT GO already |
| [19:50:05] | justinh: | xand: manual db mangling is discouraged here too |
| [19:50:50] | ** dustybin peeks from behind sofa ** | |
| [19:51:24] | justinh: | why are you hiding there dustybin? is dr who on? |
| [19:52:07] | iamlindoro: | I read recently about the new Doctor Who with the angular face and saw a nice picture of him in a pretty dress |
| [19:52:32] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [19:52:42] | justinh: | Matthew Smith. Oh the pain |
| [19:52:42] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, no joke! :) |
| [19:52:57] | dustybin: | im not a great fan of dr who. i am going to start up my own part-time online company, finally registered a perfect tiny small .com domain name, need to register the company name tomorrow |
| [19:53:16] | justinh: | gah! http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/02/12/art . . . _468x703.jpg |
| [19:53:38] | iamlindoro: | Haha, that's the one |
| [19:53:48] | kormoc: | Wow, he didn't even try... |
| [19:54:02] | xand: | dustybin: what, Dr Who Haters Ltd? |
| [19:54:39] | justinh: | kormoc: playing the part of a 'confused & damaged 18 year old... whose alcoholic mother dresses him up' |
| [19:54:50] | kormoc: | Ahh, fair 'nuff |
| [19:54:54] | iamlindoro: | If it's a service company providing any sort of computer service, I'll be waiting for the forthcoming British Data Holocaust |
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| [19:55:13] | dustybin: | xand:haha no, im going to setup a little online printers, for letterheads, comp slips, business cards etc |
| [19:55:29] | justinh: | and when your bosses find out.. |
| [19:55:34] | justinh: | kerplunk |
| [19:55:35] | iamlindoro: | exactly |
| [19:55:37] | dustybin: | yes exactly |
| [19:55:50] | dustybin: | i plan to change my career and move into IT |
| [19:56:03] | dustybin: | but id like to use my print skills part time |
| [19:56:08] | dustybin: | within my own company |
| [19:56:09] | justinh: | change nationality & your wage expectations, then |
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| [19:56:11] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure they'll appreciate that you marked up and sold their services while employed by them and kept the bit off the top |
| [19:56:39] | iamlindoro: | and do the IT profession a service and stay in printing |
| [19:56:43] | dustybin: | Well, i got a few ideas off them, but i am not stealing their customers |
| [19:56:52] | dustybin: | they are not online |
| [19:56:59] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, Where do you plan on fulfilling your orders, on your bubblejet? |
| [19:57:11] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: i plan to farm out the work to a trade printer |
| [19:57:17] | iamlindoro: | suuuure |
| [19:57:20] | dustybin: | and get them to send plain package to the customer |
| [19:57:29] | rotzooi: | Hi... someone knows how to scan for channels with dvb-s on astra1 with an KNC1 ? |
| [19:57:30] | iamlindoro: | well, best of luck with that *cough* |
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| [19:58:00] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: if you look online, there are lots of shoddy businesses doing the same thing, i feel like i can do a lot better than most |
| [19:58:11] | dustybin: | with my linux and print skills |
| [19:58:24] | iamlindoro: | when did you get linux skills? |
| [19:58:30] | dustybin: | heh :P |
| [19:58:42] | justinh: | I read "mail merge with sed & awk" too |
| [19:58:54] | gbee: | dustybin: well good luck, hope it works out for you |
| [19:58:56] | iamlindoro: | The notion that Linux is the right OS to do typesetting or printing on is where you started sounding silly |
| [19:59:13] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: my linux skills will be used to setup a online store |
| [19:59:29] | dustybin: | and my print skills will be used for the business |
| [19:59:31] | iamlindoro: | knewtopicthx |
| [20:00:01] | dustybin: | on top of that, ive finally started studying the A+ again |
| [20:00:03] | gbee: | anything worth watching tonight? Bored out of my mind |
| [20:00:07] | jduggan: | 20:00:37 up 485 days, 9:18, 18 users, load average: 1.24, 1.20, 0.76 |
| [20:00:12] | ** jduggan pokes his head up ** | |
| [20:00:26] | jduggan: | not really |
| [20:00:27] | gbee: | 18 users? |
| [20:00:29] | jduggan: | match of the day? =] |
| [20:00:39] | ** justinh almost chokes at the pic somebody just IM'd... http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4787/shaveqj4.jpg ** | |
| [20:00:44] | gbee: | eugh, not a football fan |
| [20:00:49] | jduggan: | gbee: its a general shell server =] |
| [20:00:52] | jduggan: | gbee: ah, shame =] |
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| [20:01:23] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: with the bank crisis, i have a feeling a A LOT of businesses will now move to online-only |
| [20:01:39] | ** jduggan looks @ justinh ** | |
| [20:01:42] | jduggan: | uh... =] |
| [20:02:44] | dustybin: | im also shocked with the amount of domain names cyber squatted, it took me AGES to find a nice short .com name |
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| [20:05:09] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, just about the only one not taken was molest.com and that was... oh wait, registered 3-15–09 to some dude in the UK... |
| [20:05:53] | gbee: | that's one thing I wouldn't mind seeing regulated, squatting etc of domain names should be a violation for which you lose the domain, of course it might be hard to regulate because people would just start setting up shell content for such domains |
| [20:06:14] | AndyCap: | they already are. |
| [20:06:22] | AndyCap: | aka "development" :P |
| [20:06:53] | AndyCap: | scum of the earth http://www.moderndomainer.com/ |
| [20:07:41] | gbee: | yeah, I'm suggesting rules which require you put the domain to good use within a certain time frame and also rules which prevent more than X domain names pointing to the same site/content |
| [20:08:34] | dustybin: | jeezus lord |
| [20:08:35] | dustybin: | The estimated value of http://mythtv.org is: $3,050,540 |
| [20:08:41] | dustybin: | you can find out the value of a website with this: http://www.dnscoop.com/ |
| [20:09:05] | AndyCap: | I imagine there's been a crash in the "always a bigger fool" market of domains as well |
| [20:09:34] | kormoc: | Actually, surprisingly not so much |
| [20:09:58] | kormoc: | Our domain auction platform (aftermarket.com) is still doing around a 90% sell rate |
| [20:10:15] | AndyCap: | your platform? |
| [20:10:20] | kormoc: | that said, they're mostly under 100k these days, but it's still not really that big of a crash, compared |
| [20:10:39] | AndyCap: | so you're part of the problem. :P |
| [20:10:47] | kormoc: | AndyCap, Aye, I work for Thought Convergence/Traffic Z/Name Intelligence/Domain Tools/Aftermarket |
| [20:10:52] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [20:11:00] | kormoc: | If folks want to buy a domain name, why not? |
| [20:11:44] | AndyCap: | yeah, in principle I agree. it just is so fricking annoying. :) |
| [20:12:10] | AndyCap: | but the cat is out of the bag |
| [20:12:16] | gbee: | really just the guys selling that bothers me, people who land grab a few thousand (or hundred thousand) domains at a few dollars each then ransom them off at a significant profit |
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| [20:12:53] | AndyCap: | gbee: heh, would you have felt more comfortable if the registrars could charge whatever they felt like? :P |
| [20:13:03] | kormoc: | Well, it's just standard for the open market, any limited resource has the same thing happening to it |
| [20:13:28] | AndyCap: | anyhow. I'd like to see the cost of being a domainer rise |
| [20:13:46] | kormoc: | Take diamonds, they are dirt cheap (really!) but because DeBears own's like 99.99% of them, they raise the price hugely |
| [20:13:51] | kormoc: | Meh |
| [20:13:51] | gbee: | kormoc: it's made more limited by those practices – how many domains out there are actually being used vs squatted? |
| [20:14:08] | AndyCap: | kormoc: speaking of which. I see gemesis got muscled by debeers |
| [20:14:25] | kormoc: | gbee, Given there there are tons of other TLD's that are mostly unused, it's not like we're running out |
| [20:14:47] | gbee: | ldknfgkdgfdv.com ? |
| [20:14:48] | AndyCap: | and tld's with more restrictive policies |
| [20:14:50] | gbee: | ;) |
| [20:15:03] | kormoc: | heh |
| [20:15:03] | AndyCap: | i'm sure you kan get ldknfg.com |
| [20:15:15] | benn: | meh, it's not like we are running out of domain names |
| [20:15:26] | benn: | unlike ipv4 space |
| [20:15:46] | kormoc: | I've actually scored a fair number of good .com domains for projects. Sure it takes time to find, but it's not horrible. There's only around 104 million active domains right now |
| [20:17:37] | AndyCap: | just make sure you don't fall in love with a name before finding a free domain. :P |
| [20:17:52] | AndyCap: | like some stupid damn government project here |
| [20:18:09] | justinh: | or British Gas... www.house.co.uk – wtf? |
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| [20:18:42] | AndyCap: | so, it's time to launch the B ark isn't it? |
| [20:18:59] | kormoc: | but then we'll die from dirty phones |
| [20:19:20] | AndyCap: | good |
| [20:19:56] | AndyCap: | of course, the fact that we're the B-ark explains a lot. :P |
| [20:20:15] | justinh: | my phone won't let me be dirty. I have to call 450 & get customer services to unleash that bit |
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| [20:23:54] | justinh: | hnnnng. Can't find which bit of minimyth's config files to mangle to build the kernel modules for my frontend |
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| [20:40:56] | justinh: | crap. no need to customise it. already supports my hardware :) |
| [20:41:02] | justinh: | s/crap/yay |
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| [20:45:19] | laga: | are you still running minimyth? |
| [20:46:35] | justinh: | nope |
| [20:47:17] | justinh: | mythbuntu with the life hacked out of it at the mo |
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| [20:51:29] | laga: | why do you want to go back to minimyth? |
| [20:52:15] | kormoc: | It has no buntu in the name? |
| [20:53:07] | justinh: | oh no! *buntu loses a user & they want to know why... 1. it's a platform 2. I enjoy fiddling with things 3. faster booting |
| [20:53:57] | justinh: | the OS my frontend runs may aswell just be $distro – it's no more mythbuntu than it's anything else anymore – once I had my way with it |
| [20:54:25] | laga: | ffs, i was just wondering. |
| [20:54:31] | kormoc: | He left it curled up in the corner crying |
| [20:54:41] | sid3windr: | I wonder why in mythweb I have "dvb-t" in some of the recordings in the status column. anyone know? :P |
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| [21:00:24] | ** jduggan watches extreme fishing with robson greene. ** | |
| [21:01:16] | justinh: | Bugger. looked fwd to watching the Kilimanjaro climb doc & upon starting to watch it, discover it's narrated by Andrew facking Lincoln |
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| [21:09:04] | dustybin: | justinh: new series of the apprentice soon :D |
| [21:09:11] | sid3windr: | noone knows.. come on, I was expecting something like "because it's recorded on dvb-t, dah" |
| [21:13:33] | ** sid3windr gently pokes kormoc :] ** | |
| [21:14:32] | gbee: | sid3windr: you've named your video source? |
| [21:14:34] | iamlindoro: | Because you named the input DVB-T |
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| [21:15:08] | gbee: | no need to repeat everything I say iamlindoro |
| [21:15:14] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [21:15:36] | iamlindoro: | Stop predicting what *I* say before I say it |
| [21:15:51] | gbee: | ok, it's a deal ;) |
| [21:17:01] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [21:17:03] | sid3windr: | but but |
| [21:17:12] | sid3windr: | the status field is empty for all the others |
| [21:17:13] | kormoc: | but but that makes sense? |
| [21:17:18] | sid3windr: | yes |
| [21:17:21] | iamlindoro: | sid3windr, Then you didn't name those :) |
| [21:17:24] | sid3windr: | of course it does ;) |
| [21:17:29] | sid3windr: | hmm. |
| [21:17:41] | sid3windr: | I feel like there's a thousand places to name stuff :> |
| [21:17:49] | gbee: | sid3windr: you have more than one video source? |
| [21:17:49] | iamlindoro: | when you marry a listings source to an input on a card, you give it a name, that's the one at hand here |
| [21:17:50] | sid3windr: | let's see what the difference is between the dvb-t input and the dvb-c input |
| [21:17:53] | sid3windr: | yes |
| [21:18:11] | gbee: | mythtv-setup >> Video SOurces – name field |
| [21:18:17] | iamlindoro: | The Status in mythweb isn't actually the listing source name, but the name given when attaching the source to the input on the card |
| [21:18:28] | gbee: | err, no, sorry it's the input connections screen |
| [21:18:32] | iamlindoro: | At least, on my ox it is :) |
| [21:18:37] | iamlindoro: | and on my box too :) |
| [21:18:39] | kormoc: | you have an ox? |
| [21:18:45] | sid3windr: | a-ha! |
| [21:18:49] | sid3windr: | Display name (optional) |
| [21:18:49] | iamlindoro: | moo-thTV |
| [21:18:52] | sid3windr: | I sees it now. |
| [21:19:01] | sid3windr: | thanks a bunch. :] |
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| [21:19:11] | sid3windr: | I thought it took the name from the actual source name |
| [21:19:18] | ** iamlindoro quickly registers moothtv.org ** | |
| [21:19:22] | sid3windr: | because that's conveniently named DVB-T too :] |
| [21:19:25] | sid3windr: | mootv? |
| [21:19:42] | ** kormoc parks moothtv.com and moothtv.net and devalues moothtv.org ** | |
| [21:19:48] | sid3windr: | :> |
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| [21:20:40] | ** iamlindoro registers moothtv.tv and fills all the whois info with kormoc's home address and the message "Rewriting MythWeb in python, ask me about it!" ** | |
| [21:20:48] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [21:20:50] | sid3windr: | now for the potentially silly question followup: why is the column called "status" |
| [21:21:00] | sid3windr: | I would call it "15 lines of python", iamlindoro |
| [21:21:09] | iamlindoro: | dayum, cold |
| [21:21:19] | iamlindoro: | long lines, I would venture to say |
| [21:21:38] | kormoc: | KormocIsRewritingMythwebInPythonNow.org |
| [21:22:00] | iamlindoro: | but considering all of myth was written in 1100 lines of perl, 15 sounds about right for mythweb |
| [21:22:05] | sid3windr: | =) |
| [21:22:26] | sid3windr: | I was looking at the source about that input name stuff, the code looked reasonably concise already :p |
| [21:22:38] | sid3windr: | or at least it no comments so I couldn't really grasp what was going on :P |
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| [21:23:09] | kormoc: | when I get some more time, it's gonna get much better, if it wasn't for that whole pesky need money to live thing ... |
| [21:23:23] | sid3windr: | I knew it! you're in it for the money! |
| [21:23:29] | sid3windr: | damn developers. |
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| [21:29:07] | dubstar_04: | whats the deal with the v4l wiki? |
| [21:29:36] | dubstar_04: | it thinks im trying to edit it! |
| [21:29:51] | cesman: | perhaps asking in #linuxtv... |
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| [21:36:27] | grung0r: | is there any way to selectivly remove the HD priority bonus for a show? |
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| [21:38:24] | justinh: | myth prioritizes HD by default. you can disable that in mythtv-setup IIRC |
| [21:39:00] | grung0r: | yes, but I want to do it for just one particular show |
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| [21:39:42] | iamlindoro: | If you want to do it for just one show, then use a more explicit rule type |
| [21:39:52] | iamlindoro: | ie record at this time on this channel, or always record on this channel, etc. |
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| [21:42:52] | grung0r: | that won't work in this case, I don't think. let me explain the problem. I have 3 tuners, 2 SD, 1 HD. Noprmally, I like the HD bonus. but, I not in the case of jeopardy. it's just a game show. I don't need a half hour game show taking up 4–5 gigs. but, if recording it in HD is the only way to record 3 shows at once, then I would like it to record in HD. just not at any other time |
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| [21:45:03] | iamlindoro: | So set an SD tuner as the preferred tuner for that rule |
| [21:46:27] | grung0r: | good idea. thanks |
| [21:46:45] | justinh: | A: never record gameshows |
| [21:46:56] | justinh: | Q: how do you stop gameshows taking up too much HDD space? |
| [21:47:29] | justinh: | though I realise they have a certain 'laughing at stupid people' value |
| [21:47:49] | iamlindoro: | justinh, In defense of Jeopardy, it's perhaps our only smart person game show |
| [21:48:07] | iamlindoro: | (A Quiz show whos contestants or commonly PhDs) |
| [21:48:10] | iamlindoro: | er whose |
| [21:48:15] | iamlindoro: | and "are" |
| [21:48:21] | justinh: | really? |
| [21:48:25] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [21:48:29] | justinh: | :-O |
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| [21:48:59] | iamlindoro: | A very classic format, college level or greater questions about diverse topics |
| [21:49:23] | iamlindoro: | contestants are usually teachers/scientists/professors/NASA/etc. |
| [21:49:31] | justinh: | heh |
| [21:49:46] | justinh: | been led to believe it was brain-deaders |
| [21:49:56] | justinh: | or maybe that was just the UK version I remember |
| [21:51:23] | iamlindoro: | http://www.j-archive.com/ |
| [21:51:28] | iamlindoro: | Those are examples of questions |
| [21:51:41] | iamlindoro: | ie "Amounts on the banknotes in this country, one of the world's 10 largest, are in 17 different official languages" |
| [21:51:55] | iamlindoro: | or "In 1947 editor William Styron said this book was a long, "tedious Pacific voyage best suited" for National Geographic" |
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| [21:53:09] | justinh: | heh, another myth BUSTED :) |
| [21:54:12] | dustybin: | to hell with mythtv, www.justin.tv ftw :P |
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| [21:55:26] | dustybin: | eek my language |
| [21:56:28] | dustybin: | somebody is cyber squatting www.myth.tv |
| [21:59:35] | iamlindoro: | Not at all, that site is all about dispelling myths about transvestites |
| [22:00:51] | grung0r: | as long as I am here, maybe someone can help me with one more problem I've been having. the HD tuner is rather funky in live tv mode. it can take a long time for the guide to come up, and it sometimes crashes back to the main menu. unfortunatly, for some reason, when I hit 'watch TV', that is always the tuner it goes to. anyway to change that? |
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| [22:02:50] | dubstar_04: | mess with the card priority in the backend |
| [22:03:04] | justinh: | what myths? That Rocky Horry is good? |
| [22:03:12] | justinh: | s/Horry/Horror |
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| [22:03:58] | justinh: | myth will always go to the last tuned channel. the moral of the story is not to use livetv. ever :) |
| [22:04:51] | grung0r: | it may go to the last tuned channel, but it dosen't go to the last tuned..well, tuner |
| [22:06:12] | iamlindoro: | For LiveTV ISTR it will go straight to the first created tuner-- if you recreate your tuners (leave your lineups intact) and create the SD tuner first, you should get what you want |
| [22:06:45] | iamlindoro: | things get slightly more complicated with slave backends, but on a single backend that should hold true |
| [22:07:27] | iamlindoro: | sphery has an auto-response to a long list thread that explains it in detail, but he went and got himself a life, sheesh! |
| [22:08:36] | grung0r: | hmmm...maybe I'll just live with it. I seem to remeber having destroyed a previous installation by deleteing and reinstalling the tuners |
| [22:09:17] | iamlindoro: | as long as you *only* touch the tuners, and not the lineups/video sources, that shouldn't be possible |
| [22:09:40] | iamlindoro: | but you could back up your DB and try, and always have something to revert to |
| [22:10:30] | iamlindoro: | MythTV- Educating users through disaster since 2001 |
| [22:10:43] | grung0r: | damn skippy |
| [22:12:45] | grung0r: | that's why I suggested I would live with it. I've lost at least two installations becuase "if I just get this one last thing working, it'll be perfect" |
| [22:13:03] | iamlindoro: | heh, the DB backup route is the safety net |
| [22:16:29] | gbee: | I was having fun answering some of those Jeopardy questions until one about currency denominations which has me baffled :/ |
| [22:17:01] | gbee: | Titled "U.S. Paper Currency" – "With one of each of the Treasury's currently produced denominations, you'd have this much money" |
| [22:17:25] | iamlindoro: | $186? |
| [22:17:26] | gbee: | my answer was $186 – given answer is $188 ... where did I go wrong? |
| [22:17:33] | iamlindoro: | ah, the 2 dollar bill, duh |
| [22:17:50] | iamlindoro: | still produced, in *extraordinarily* low runs |
| [22:17:55] | gbee: | huh .. didn't know there was such a thing |
| [22:18:15] | gbee: | ok, that answers it then :) |
| [22:18:28] | iamlindoro: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_two-dollar_bill |
| [22:19:42] | iamlindoro: | That question was written precisely to make people like me kick themselves :) |
| [22:19:47] | gbee: | Sterling doesn't come in paper for denominations less than £5 – 1p 2p 5p 10p 20p 50p £1 £2 are all coin, then £5 £10 £20 £50 in notes etc |
| [22:20:15] | dustybin: | there are new £20 notes with brail |
| [22:20:27] | iamlindoro: | yes, I'm lost on trips to the UK-- I usaully don't have to resort to holding out a handful of change, but the diversity of coin money in the UK baffles me every time |
| [22:20:52] | iamlindoro: | just because they lack the by-sight-familiarity of our currency |
| [22:21:11] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: where in UK have you been? |
| [22:21:28] | iamlindoro: | London, Manchester, Edinburgh |
| [22:21:36] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: did you like? |
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| [22:21:49] | justinh: | iamlindoro: all your notes are the same colour & size. IIRC. weird |
| [22:21:55] | iamlindoro: | Yes, I like the UK. |
| [22:21:57] | gbee: | iamlindoro: at least our notes are a little more distinctive, IIRC US notes are all the same size/colour |
| [22:22:10] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Yes, with *slight* variations of late |
| [22:22:31] | justinh: | yeah? heh. I'm learning stuff tonight |
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| [22:22:48] | iamlindoro: | The theory is that we will move to more diversely colored paper money, but I Americans tend to reject bucking tradition where patriotism (or perceived patriotism) is concerned |
| [22:23:02] | iamlindoro: | yes, the new $5 bill has color |
| [22:23:07] | justinh: | y'all worship the green |
| [22:23:11] | iamlindoro: | not much, but some |
| [22:23:12] | kormoc: | and the new $10 and $20 and $100 |
| [22:23:24] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: did you notice the people in Manchester and Edinburgh with weird accents :P |
| [22:23:50] | iamlindoro: | justinh, http://www.doughroller.net/wp-content/uploads . . . lar-bill.jpg |
| [22:23:59] | justinh: | iamlindoro: you bin in manchestuh? and lived? |
| [22:24:10] | iamlindoro: | justinh, no, just on a visit |
| [22:24:28] | iamlindoro: | I've lived in Paris (My mother is french) but jsut vistied elsewhere in the EU |
| [22:24:34] | iamlindoro: | er just visited |
| [22:24:59] | iamlindoro: | gah, my typing is all over today |
| [22:25:00] | kormoc: | http://www.moneyfactory.gov/newmoney/flash/in . . . iveNote.html |
| [22:25:01] | justinh: | heh. I remember the times when I was just visiting. happy days |
| [22:25:31] | iamlindoro: | I liked the people in Edinburgh an awful lot |
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| [22:26:17] | justinh: | I'm scottish-o-phobic. dunno why or how. just am & it sucks |
| [22:26:33] | iamlindoro: | London is nice and reminds me a bit of Boston, where I lived for five years |
| [22:26:36] | ** laga thinking about getting his masters degree in edinburgh ** | |
| [22:26:40] | iamlindoro: | Manchester was okay to visit, not sure about living there |
| [22:26:41] | kormoc: | too many angry scottish dudes chasing you away from their daughters? |
| [22:26:43] | laga: | that'll have to wait 1.5 years, though :) |
| [22:27:06] | justinh: | iamlindoro: it's a toilet |
| [22:27:13] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [22:27:46] | iamlindoro: | I am moderately depressed that for what I paid/am paying for my home, I could own a highrise apartment building in Croatia |
| [22:27:51] | iamlindoro: | in a nice little city, too |
| [22:28:01] | justinh: | one problem with that though |
| [22:28:20] | dustybin: | language and jobs ? |
| [22:28:29] | justinh: | in Croatia you'd probably have trouble making the kind of money you make now |
| [22:28:59] | iamlindoro: | true, but in moments when I muse about what I'd do if the company I work for got bought out, settling somewhere cheap where the living is good ranks pretty high |
| [22:29:09] | justinh: | in my home town I could virtually buy a palace to live in.. trouble is there are sod all jobs up there – even less in my line of skiving |
| [22:29:46] | benn: | where's home? |
| [22:29:59] | kormoc: | He's a socal guy |
| [22:30:13] | iamlindoro: | Me? Northern CA :) |
| [22:30:18] | iamlindoro: | close :) |
| [22:30:21] | kormoc: | ahh, I thought you were southern |
| [22:30:28] | iamlindoro: | Nah, SF Bay Area |
| [22:30:29] | justinh: | Consett in Co. Durham. ex steeltown. even more of a toilet than Manchester but gun crime is much, MUCH lower |
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| [22:31:00] | benn: | aha |
| [22:31:16] | iamlindoro: | I wonder when I read about UK knife crime whether it's just a hot button political issue or whether it's actually any worse than it is here |
| [22:31:34] | justinh: | iamlindoro: it's greatly overreported |
| [22:31:42] | benn: | very exagerrated imo |
| [22:31:57] | motd2k: | daily express /cheer |
| [22:31:58] | iamlindoro: | I kinda figured |
| [22:32:04] | ** cesman went to the UK a few years back and made it home safe ;) ** | |
| [22:32:23] | ** justinh still remembers cesman ranting about how rude Londoners were ** | |
| [22:32:27] | benn: | tho that BNP that got clobbered with a hammer was very WTF |
| [22:32:29] | kormoc: | cesman, but how many times were you stabbed non-fateily? |
| [22:32:31] | benn: | +guy |
| [22:32:56] | kormoc: | Least Canada has taken the crown of most crazy murders lately |
| [22:33:05] | benn: | you'd expect a knife or something, but a hammer?! |
| [22:33:05] | iamlindoro: | ah, the beheading wacko |
| [22:33:11] | justinh: | motd2k: didn't hear about that one |
| [22:33:31] | motd2k: | just saying the daily express crowd love to stir this shit up |
| [22:33:33] | justinh: | but BNP guys kinda deserve it. wackos |
| [22:33:35] | cesman: | justinh: yeah... don't think I'll ever forget that... |
| [22:34:03] | justinh: | their policy on crime is right up my street.. just a pity about the racism & general intolerance |
| [22:34:13] | iamlindoro: | cesman, maybe you should stop being so difficult to get along with then |
| [22:34:18] | gbee: | iamlindoro: knife crime stuff results from an extremely tiny number of incidents, but it's just something that newspapers are using to sell their wares and politicians/police can use to keep everyone afraid |
| [22:34:26] | benn: | the one thing that struck me about canada is how friendly people are :) |
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| [22:34:54] | iamlindoro: | It pays to be nice when you huddle together for warmth ten months out of the year |
| [22:35:04] | iamlindoro: | gbee, That was about my assessment as an outsider |
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| [22:35:12] | kormoc: | benn, Depends on where you are |
| [22:35:19] | iamlindoro: | cesman, I was, of course, just teasing you :) |
| [22:35:19] | gbee: | I mean for f*** sake, when I was at school we all carried pen knives |
| [22:35:29] | benn: | kormoc: well, this was downtown Vancouver |
| [22:35:54] | cesman: | iamlindoro: taken as such :) |
| [22:36:05] | cesman: | bbiab |
| [22:36:09] | kormoc: | Vancouver's such a weird place, there's some really good spots, and some really aweful spots |
| [22:36:13] | gbee: | iamlindoro: more people are shot and killed in the US as a percentage of population, than are non-fatally stabbed in the UK I believe |
| [22:36:15] | cesman: | gotta play the hardware swap gam |
| [22:36:15] | benn: | yeah |
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| [22:36:46] | kormoc: | I love the fact that I'm more scared of being mugged/robbed/etc in Vancouver then I am anywhere in Seattle |
| [22:36:54] | kormoc: | there's just areas that are *bad* up there |
| [22:37:02] | benn: | kormoc: but you steer clear of those areas |
| [22:37:16] | kormoc: | Nah, I tend to wonder though them fairly often for some strange reason |
| [22:37:29] | justinh: | remember getting lost & ending up in a part of Miami they don't show you in brochures. I didn't know of the reputation but going by looks alone I was wise to lock the car doors |
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| [22:37:50] | kormoc: | well, used to, not much reason to go up there anymore |
| [22:38:09] | ** iamlindoro kicks programinfo ** | |
| [22:38:22] | iamlindoro: | how dare you not work when I add code to you without knowing what I'm doing! |
| [22:38:32] | benn: | kormoc: dunno if you know Van well but meh, you stay well away from Main & Hastings |
| [22:38:52] | kormoc: | Ahh, I loved that area, there was a awesome sushi place a few blocks away |
| [22:39:17] | justinh: | lol iamlindoro |
| [22:39:17] | benn: | it was just one intersection tho |
| [22:39:21] | gbee: | kormoc: I wonder if being in unfamiliar territory has more to do with that? There are areas where I live now that I thought were no go and scared the shit out of me, but having been here for a while I realise that they are pretty safe |
| [22:39:29] | kormoc: | benn, I've spent least a month per year up in Vancouver for the past few years, so I know the area fairly well |
| [22:39:36] | justinh: | I was almost bored enough to start hacking again last night. very nearly |
| [22:39:37] | benn: | =) |
| [22:40:05] | benn: | work sends me out once every 6 months |
| [22:40:15] | benn: | it's the highlight of the year :D |
| [22:40:20] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [22:40:56] | justinh: | my ex flatmate got sent on a junket to Toronto for 7 weeks. He racked up a huge load of expenses at 'The Hot Tub' & got away with charging it to the company |
| [22:41:06] | kormoc: | The weirdest thing bout Vancouver is how it all shuts down so early. After 11/12, there's nothing to do except bars/clubs. So very few late night activities |
| [22:41:20] | kormoc: | justinh, nice |
| [22:41:36] | benn: | kormoc: yeah, granted |
| [22:41:42] | justinh: | as I recall, said place is a brothel |
| [22:42:12] | justinh: | top tip – get friendly with a taxi driver who can furnish you with blank receipts |
| [22:42:48] | kormoc: | "You spent $1,500 on a taxi ride?" "Yeah, he waited outside for a week before I remembered I called him" |
| [22:42:50] | GreyFoxx: | kormoc: That's funny. Thats what Ifound in the us |
| [22:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | I use to travel at least once a week to the US for work |
| [22:43:02] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, yeah? |
| [22:43:10] | GreyFoxx: | and always found it amazing that half the places shutdown by 10 |
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| [22:43:50] | GreyFoxx: | if I wasn't going to a bar or a strip club I was outta luck |
| [22:44:05] | GreyFoxx: | and good luck ordering a pizza at midnight :) |
| [22:44:06] | gbee: | so what do the 18–21 year olds who are not allowed to enter those bars/clubs do? |
| [22:44:15] | GreyFoxx: | vandalism |
| [22:44:17] | GreyFoxx: | :) |
| [22:44:21] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, Hrm. The Vancouver Natives didn't really know of any places open, Here in Seattle we have a fair number of 24 hour stuff, bowling alleys, pool halls, coffee shops, etc. |
| [22:44:36] | kormoc: | gbee, mailbox golf if they have a car |
| [22:44:44] | gbee: | exactly :) |
| [22:44:48] | justinh: | iamlindoro: what did you think of Manchester's 24hr culture btw? |
| [22:44:49] | kormoc: | we used to go 4x4ing in people's yards |
| [22:45:05] | justinh: | like er... some petrol stations & supermarkets never shut! |
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| [22:45:23] | iamlindoro: | justinh, I was going to say, Wasn't aware there was one :) |
| [22:45:25] | gbee: | or pubs these days |
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| [22:45:47] | justinh: | gbee: in manchester I can name about 6 open later than 4am |
| [22:45:50] | gbee: | if you believe the press/hype anyway :p |
| [22:46:14] | justinh: | and 4 of those are in the infamous gay village |
| [22:46:27] | gbee: | Canal Street |
| [22:46:33] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [22:46:39] | kormoc: | Is that a joke or real? |
| [22:46:48] | benn: | yeah, the gays seem to do the late night thing best |
| [22:46:48] | justinh: | one of the others is a rock club & the other is a place frequented by footballers |
| [22:47:01] | kormoc: | "To get to the Gay Village, go down Canal Street!" just sounds so South Parkish |
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| [22:47:17] | benn: | lol |
| [22:47:25] | justinh: | kormoc: you should see one of the street signs. it says " anal treet" |
| [22:47:32] | kormoc: | ha |
| [22:47:52] | ** gbee is not ashamed to say that he hasn't the stamina to stay out all night anymore ** | |
| [22:48:31] | gbee: | wouldn't make any difference to me if the pubs were open at 4am, I'll be home in bed |
| [22:48:43] | kormoc: | Yay! Power outages |
| [22:49:18] | justinh: | kormoc: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Manche . . . l_Street.jpg in less vandalised form |
| [22:49:37] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [22:50:20] | justinh: | gbee: cheaper to go home at a respectable time too ;-) |
| [22:50:28] | justinh: | and easier to get a cab |
| [22:51:09] | gbee: | aye |
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| [22:56:53] | kormoc: | welp |
| [22:57:01] | kormoc: | there was a loud crash and no power |
| [22:57:11] | kormoc: | some car just hit the power pole down the street, whee |
| [22:57:57] | gbee: | heh |
| [22:58:41] | justinh: | I did that once. fell asleep at the wheel driving home in the morning after erm.. one of those nights |
| [22:59:54] | kormoc: | Seems like it's time to shutdown, don't want to drain the ups too much... |
| [22:59:59] | gbee: | well I might just go and read a book, nothing to do and I'm not in the mood for anything I currently have recorded |
| [23:00:05] | justinh: | woke up with the crash, saw the pole & wires going zzzzt in my rear view mirror. Looked cool as before the reality sunk in |
| [23:01:13] | kormoc: | Hehe |
| [23:01:26] | kormoc: | So how much did it end up costing ya |
| [23:01:36] | justinh: | £150 insurance excess |
| [23:01:45] | justinh: | and whatever no claims bonus I lost |
| [23:01:57] | justinh: | car was a write off, got billed for the pole expenses |
| [23:01:58] | kormoc: | Ahh, that's not too bad |
| [23:03:02] | justinh: | learned my lesson well, I can tell ya |
| [23:03:19] | laga: | what was the lesson? |
| [23:03:54] | justinh: | that driving when tired is dangerous |
| [23:03:56] | gbee: | don't hit immovable objects with a car |
| [23:04:35] | justinh: | avoiding the 'morning after' embarrassment cost me dear |
| [23:04:52] | laga: | were you drunk? ;) |
| [23:05:19] | justinh: | nope. police breathalysed me twice at the hospital |
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| [23:05:51] | jduggan: | ive driven so many times when tired |
| [23:05:58] | jduggan: | but ive never fallen asleep |
| [23:06:04] | jduggan: | it eludes me how that happens |
| [23:06:10] | jduggan: | i guess ive never been /that/ tired |
| [23:06:21] | justinh: | worst part was I went to a party a few weeks later & my parents were still up when I rolled in. I told them all about that night |
| [23:07:33] | benn: | i guess you had just past the test? |
| [23:07:39] | justinh: | god no |
| [23:08:35] | AndyCap: | heh people with fresh drivers licenses are so exitcited about it they'd never fall a sleep |
| [23:08:36] | benn: | pass even |
| [23:08:43] | justinh: | felt fine. yawning plenty, mustn't even have been asleep for long. was reminded of it all again today when I drove past the very spot |
| [23:09:31] | benn: | narcolepsy ;-p |
| [23:09:37] | justinh: | pfft |
| [23:09:59] | gbee: | well we've all done stupid things, if you are around to learn the lesson afterwards that's good :) |
| [23:10:14] | jduggan: | i rolled a car |
| [23:10:19] | jduggan: | but it was my mums |
| [23:10:23] | justinh: | oof |
| [23:10:25] | jduggan: | so that incurred no cost to me |
| [23:10:30] | jduggan: | :o |
| [23:10:40] | jduggan: | that was at 7.30am |
| [23:10:49] | jduggan: | but it was immaturity/stupidity that caused that |
| [23:11:04] | jduggan: | i was 18... only passed 6months before |
| [23:11:10] | jduggan: | racing home from my then gf's |
| [23:11:16] | jduggan: | overtook |
| [23:11:23] | jduggan: | and got speed wobble heh |
| [23:11:29] | justinh: | called a swift halt to my philandering ways I'll say |
| [23:11:33] | jduggan: | slapped the side of the other car |
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| [23:11:51] | jduggan: | and i steered away over a kerb and rolled 4 times until a tree stopped me |
| [23:12:04] | justinh: | gave 2 girls a lift home from a nightclub.. and er. never slept. oops |
| [23:12:15] | jduggan: | suffice to say it taught me valuable lesson =] |
| [23:12:27] | justinh: | christ |
| [23:12:43] | AndyCap: | well, maybe you should turn it down then: "Police in UK seize 52-inch plasma and speakers after numerous noise complaints." |
| [23:13:05] | justinh: | maybe the PSU is faulty |
| [23:13:14] | gbee: | yeah well I landed myself a hospital stay whilst on foot, car clearly doesn't help but you can be just as silly without it |
| [23:13:23] | jduggan: | lol |
| [23:13:25] | justinh: | didn't know a 52 inch plasma could make enough noise |
| [23:13:35] | jduggan: | how on earth did you manage that, gbee? |
| [23:13:48] | AndyCap: | http://www.cepro.com/article/familys_home_the . . . _complaints/ |
| [23:13:55] | justinh: | jduggan: alcohol induced superheroic ability syndrome |
| [23:14:13] | AndyCap: | or maybe he got hit by someone sleeping at the wheel. |
| [23:14:24] | jduggan: | aah like that advert |
| [23:14:30] | jduggan: | with the superhero climbing the scaffolding |
| [23:14:31] | gbee: | long story, cesman/justinh/stuarta can probably fill you in, I was on my way back after a night out with them :) |
| [23:14:31] | jduggan: | :| |
| [23:14:38] | jduggan: | lol |
| [23:15:17] | justinh: | jduggan: last seen leaving the pub looking worse for wear – got back to his digs finding a gate closed so decided to scale a fence & fell IIRC. wound up in hoppytal |
| [23:15:46] | jduggan: | grin |
| [23:15:50] | gbee: | truth is I can only guess about what happened, there weren't witnesses and to this day I have no memory :) |
| [23:16:30] | jduggan: | :( |
| [23:16:33] | AndyCap: | I must have thought I was spiderman once. Had been out drinking, went home somewhat late, and went to sleep. (or at least that's what I remember) |
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| [23:16:48] | justinh: | linuxers & their prodigious drinking habits |
| [23:16:53] | AndyCap: | next thing I know, I'm outside in my undies and it's raining. |
| [23:16:54] | gbee: | in hospital, strapped to a back board, in neck brace, doctors telling me I've broken my neck and that if I move I risk total paralysis |
| [23:17:24] | ** gbee was strangely calm, although in retrospect the whole thing scares the crap out of me ** | |
| [23:17:45] | jduggan: | i remember my brother told me a story he was walking maybe 2miles home from town, about 5am completely wasted... literally 50yards from the house was his parked car |
| [23:17:52] | jduggan: | rather than bother to walk the 50yards |
| [23:17:58] | jduggan: | he got into his car to sleep there |
| [23:18:07] | jduggan: | and remembers someone in the morning |
| [23:18:15] | jduggan: | lifting his head up back into the car |
| [23:18:21] | jduggan: | and shutting the car door |
| [23:18:30] | jduggan: | as he fell asleep with door wide open |
| [23:18:34] | jduggan: | and hanging onto the pavement |
| [23:18:42] | gbee: | thankfully the vertebrae was only fractured and was deemed stable, still I also fractured my skull and still carry two prominent scars |
| [23:18:54] | laga: | gbee: crap, i didn't know it was that bad |
| [23:19:08] | jduggan: | gbee: hah, that'll teach you! sounds scary :\ |
| [23:19:38] | jduggan: | gbee: did you call ambulance? |
| [23:19:42] | jduggan: | or walk to the hospital or what? |
| [23:19:54] | gbee: | whole left side of my face was mashed, landed face first on tarmac :/ |
| [23:20:02] | jduggan: | :( |
| [23:20:11] | benn: | bet that changed your drinking habits? |
| [23:20:20] | gbee: | jduggan: seems in a daze I managed to walk into the hostel where staff called an ambulance |
| [23:20:23] | laga: | girls like scars? |
| [23:21:13] | jduggan: | what are these girls you speak of |
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| [23:21:48] | gbee: | laga: well some mike like scars more than others, but it doesn't seem to have made me a chick magnet :p |
| [23:22:02] | laga: | gbee: hum |
| [23:22:08] | gbee: | like |
| [23:22:09] | laga: | gbee: it must be the linux then |
| [23:22:22] | gbee: | heh |
| [23:22:26] | jduggan: | what you need to do is print off some code, and show them that |
| [23:22:37] | jduggan: | chicks dig |
| [23:24:30] | gbee: | sorry guys, but this is the last place I'd take advice on woman |
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| [23:25:01] | gbee: | err, women |
| [23:25:17] | jduggan: | dude youre crazy, i so had a girl this one time |
| [23:25:20] | jduggan: | ! |
| [23:25:39] | jduggan: | and i didnt even pay |
| [23:25:59] | gbee: | right, not sure how we strayed onto this topic, last thing I remember I was about to go and do some reading |
| [23:26:19] | jduggan: | lol |
| [23:26:20] | gbee: | jduggan: oh you _always_ pay somehow |
| [23:27:07] | ** gbee reflects on that and decides it isn't really true ** | |
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| [23:27:59] | AndyCap: | you have to consider cost/benefit |
| [23:29:43] | jduggan: | haha |
| [23:35:12] | dustybin: | when is the next official UK holidays? i think its easter bank holiday weekend? fri and mon off work? |
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| [23:37:11] | benn: | yup |
| [23:37:16] | benn: | good fri/east mon |
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| [23:40:30] | jduggan: | yea |
| [23:40:39] | jduggan: | which is like around 10th of april or so? |
| [23:40:44] | wagnerrp: | you have official *bank* holidays? |
| [23:41:06] | jduggan: | wagnerrp: yea |
| [23:41:30] | wagnerrp: | banks cannot operate on those days? |
| [23:41:41] | jduggan: | it was an old tradition |
| [23:41:46] | jduggan: | which is still maintained |
| [23:41:51] | jduggan: | most shit is shut on these mondays |
| [23:41:55] | jduggan: | as its a public holiday |
| [23:41:58] | jduggan: | not many of them... |
| [23:42:14] | jduggan: | excluding easter i think there's 2 others |
| [23:42:27] | jduggan: | one known as 'may day' bank holiday |
| [23:42:36] | jduggan: | one on the last monday in august |
| [23:43:05] | jduggan: | the monday following good friday is one of these days |
| [23:43:16] | jduggan: | and good friday is one of these days for obvious traditional reasons |
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