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Friday, March 13th, 2009, 00:03 UTC

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JEDIDIAH__:

does anyone know if one of the options in rsync will prevent it from doing chgrp?

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deeemac:

I'm trying to get an idea for the best way to structure a mythtv configuration, the setup would be 4 boxes with 2 tv tuner cards in each, with one channel to each tuner card, would I need 1–2 boxes as a primary/secondary backend to process jobs and store everything, and setup the 4 boxes as front ends?

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Dagmar:

Why did you need 8 tuners again?

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deeemac:

Trying to utilize mythtv for a video recording system

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Dagmar:

Perhaps you need to spend more time reading the wiki then

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Dagmar:

Tuners and frontends have little to do with each other, and it sure sounded like you were talking about putting tuner cards in them

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deeemac:

I have been reading up on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

why couldnt you put four card in each of two boxes?

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deeemac:

so the ones with the tuner cards in them should be the backends it sounds like

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wagnerrp:

the ones with the tuner cards must be the backends

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deeemac:

wagnerrp: that could be an option, I'll have to check the specs

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wagnerrp:

they may or may not have frontends on them

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wagnerrp:

thats up to you

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Dagmar:

Why there'd only be two tuners per machine is another big mystery

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wagnerrp:

when you say a 'video recording system', what kind of video are you intending to record?

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Dagmar:

Maybe you should call in a professional to help you, since you're talking about spending a really large amount of money on this

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deeemac:

each tuner card goes to a room that has a camera

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wagnerrp:

are you wanting to always be recording 8 channels, and always the same 8 channels?

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deeemac:

wagnerrp: yes

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is not a security system

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iamlindoro:

Erm, Myth is *not* for surveillance

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deeemac:

this is not a security system

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deeemac:

nor surveillance

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iamlindoro:

or for spying on your hotel guests and making amateur porno

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deeemac:

iamlindoro haha

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Dagmar:

If you say "reality show" we're obligated to have you banned from Freenode.

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iamlindoro:

or for *anything* related to cameras

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iamlindoro:

or for courtrooms

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iamlindoro:

or for taking depositions

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kormoc:

Everyone at *my* hotel is a professional, thankyouverymuch!

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: one of my cousins got married in gatlingburg, so the whole family went down there for the wedding

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iamlindoro:

TV

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iamlindoro:

Just TV

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deeemac:

iamlindoro: it seems to work just fine, was just having trouble linking everything together

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wagnerrp:

and were pretty sure the 'entertainment' at the hotel was for them to pay some woman to go skinny dipping at the pool/hottub with a CCTV feed through the cable system

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: They're hillbilly down there, but not *that* hillbilly

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Dagmar:

So far it's sounding like a reality show to me

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wagnerrp:

this was back in the late 90's, before the whole reality show thing kicked off

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Dagmar:

I was referring to deeemac

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iamlindoro:

I love all the people who want exact answers with a smile, but what they're doing is too TOP SEKRIT for you to know

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deeemac:

Dagmar: its not a reality show

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Dagmar:

So what it the deal then?

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Dagmar:

s/it/is/;

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wagnerrp:

well of course not!

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wagnerrp:

none of those shows have anything to do with reality of any sort

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ain't that the truth!!!!!

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deeemac:

Dagmar: its to record classrooms

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wagnerrp:

but calling it 'artificial tv' just doesnt have the same ring to it

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Dagmar:

In real life, someone in there would have to be non-pathetic enough to just slap the others until they grew up

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Dagmar:

deeeman: So what part of "It's not for surveillance" is confusing you

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wagnerrp:

there are professional systems designed for just this purpose

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wagnerrp:

plunk down a couple grand

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wagnerrp:

get a couple nice CCTV cameras, a pair of 4-port capture cards, and a DVR

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deeemac:

well it records things just fine, just was having trouble adding all the boxes together

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justinh:

!trout deeemac Zoneminder

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** MythLogBot slaps deeemac with a Zoneminder trout on behalf of justinh... **

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wagnerrp:

been watching the logs?

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Dagmar:

You should probably read the docs then

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justinh:

just peeked in

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Dagmar:

Because reading is fundamental.

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justdave:

hmm, no sound under Linux on the new mini :(

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justdave:

on the plus side, the new mini handles the 1080p stuff with only 1GB of RAM in it. :)

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justinh:

1080p what though? mkv? files from your own bluray discs?

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wagnerrp:

certainly not bluray content on a 2.3GHz C2D

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justdave:

h.264 .mp4 file

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wagnerrp:

and since youre not likely to get 1080p content over US broadcast tv....

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justinh:

bitrate?

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wagnerrp:

reference frames?

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wagnerrp:

entropy coding?

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** justdave tries to figure out where to get answers to these questions out of the file **

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justdave:

all I know is the old box couldn't play it back without dropping a lot of frames

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wagnerrp:

if its x264, just 'head' the first couple lines

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wagnerrp:

theres a text descriptor block at the beginning of x264 output

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wagnerrp:

you may actually have to go a few dozen lines in, to get past the mp4 encapsulation

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justdave:

x264 – core 56 svn-680M_THREADPOOL04c – H.264/MPEG-4 AVC codec – Copyleft 2005 – http://www.videolan.org/x264.html – options: cabac=0 ref=2 deblock=1:1:1 analyse=0x3:0x113 me=umh fpel_cmp=sad subme=6 me-prepass=0 brdo=1 mixed_ref=0 me_range=32 chroma_me=1 trellis=0 8x8dct=1 cqm=0 deadzone=21,11 chroma_qp_offset=0 threads=6 nr=0 decimate=0 mbaff=0 bframes=3 b_pyramid=0 b_adapt=1 b_bias=0 direct=3 wpredb=1 bime=1 keyint=240 keyint_min=1 scenecut=

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justdave:

irc probably cut off part of that

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wagnerrp:

eeeewww... cabac=0

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justdave:

pretty sure it started life at 1080i and got deinterlaced

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Dagmar:

Thank god

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wagnerrp:

what framerate is it? 24 or 30fps?

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justinh:

doesn't count in that case. user encodes are not what I'd call 'real world' material

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justdave:

which one is the frame rate, crf?

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wagnerrp:

framerate is not set within the h264 stream

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wagnerrp:

try a 'ffmpeg -i'

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wagnerrp:

that profile looks designed for hardware decoders

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wagnerrp:

its rather lacking in any of the more advanced settings

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justdave:

QTP says it s 24.46

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wagnerrp:

or other things that may break hardware playback

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justdave:

ffmpeg says it's 23.98

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wagnerrp:

so its not deinterlaced

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wagnerrp:

or... it was deinterlaced badly

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justdave:

Duration: 00:24:44.3, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 4541 kb/s

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justdave:

Stream #0.0(und): Video: h264, yuv420p, 1440x1080 [PAR 0:1 DAR 0:1], 23.98 tb(r)

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justdave:

Stream #0.1(jpn): Audio: mpeg4aac, 48000 Hz, stereo

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wagnerrp:

4500kbps is nothing special to write home about

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justinh:

SDTV kinda bitrate

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justdave:

I just previously had crappy hardware. :)

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wagnerrp:

the old 1.86 minimac should have been capable of doing that without breaking a sweat

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justdave:

yeah, it was, after I added RAM to it

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justdave:

it couldn't do it on 1GB of RAM

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justdave:

with 3GB in it it does it fine

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wagnerrp:

well then youre running too much crap on the system, and swapping it to oblivion

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justdave:

quite likely

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wagnerrp:

my aged, single-core, low end A64, with only 1GB of memory, can play back that bitrate, while simultaneously recording several channels

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wagnerrp:

and it was encoded using CAVLC

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wagnerrp:

which means either the encoder didnt know what they were doing

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wagnerrp:

or they were targetting an audience with slower computers

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** Dagmar rings a bell **

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clever:

found a reproducable segfault!

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wagnerrp:

which, considering any modern computer should be able to play back that bitrate with CABAC, and any aged system probably shouldnt try playing back 1080p anyway

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wagnerrp:

they didnt think things through... and again dont knod what theyre doing

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wagnerrp:

add onto the fact that its japanese

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wagnerrp:

meaning its probably some fansubbed anime

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wagnerrp:

except theres no subtitle track

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clever:

nvm its a bug in my own patch

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wagnerrp:

which means... they hardsubbed?

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wagnerrp:

i surely hope thats not the case

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clever:

i prefer soft-subbed files with an optional subtitle track

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wagnerrp:

or they kept the subs as an external file, which again i hope is not the case with modern containers that support integrated subs

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clever:

most stuff i dl has that option nowadays

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clever:

.ass files are also fun because i can download the 'raw' (untranslated) version that takes a while hours before the translation

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clever:

so i can get the whole thing in english sooner

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clever:

when the translation does come out, i allready have the relatively massive video content and can just dl a 50kb .ass file

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wagnerrp:

you would download a lot of .ass...

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clever:

but i rarely actualy find that

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clever:

there was also one fun title '.... this episode has a lot of.ass' :P

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justinh:

oh how we all laughed

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wagnerrp:

what are you doing up at 2am, arent you usually up again in another 5 hours?

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clever:

its 10pm

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wagnerrp:

... was referring to justinh actally

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clever:

ahh lol

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justinh:

not quite 1am yet

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clever:

i thought you ctcp time'ed me, since my system clock says 1am atm

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wagnerrp:

damned DST... youre only 4 ahead now

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Dagmar:

We're gonna catch him!

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Dagmar:

Don't anyone slow down nao

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wagnerrp:

you know, its all your fault

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wagnerrp:

you guys over there started using DST during WW2

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justinh:

I want it to stop

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clever:

i found a post online claiming that DST was making the days shorter(less sunlight) meaning we use more energy

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justinh:

wagnerrp: so blame the Germans. they started WW2 after all :P

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clever:

and that we should just make the days longer:P

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clever:

the idiot was trying to say that stoping DST would make more sunlight hours/day and solve global warming.....

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wagnerrp:

oh no! sweden actually started first, in 1916

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wagnerrp:

of course they ended the practice 4 months later

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wagnerrp:

nope, back to the brits again

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wagnerrp:

proposed by an englishman in 1907

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justinh:

like we care :P

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wagnerrp:

you runied it for us all!

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justinh:

ah but you sent us your.. everything

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wagnerrp:

well we had to get retribution somehow

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justinh:

payback should only go so far. so stop already

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justinh:

a scottish politician has said that we're getting so fat over here it's getting as bad as in the US

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wagnerrp:

here we go... Kingsford Charcoal and 7-Eleven provided primary political funding that resulted in the 1987 extension to DST in the US

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wagnerrp:

damn commercial lobbyists

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jeepers, some of this company's antenna designs crack me up... They look more like "Art" than functional... "Antennas Direct" http://www.solidsignal.com/manu_display.asp?l . . . nas%20Direct

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thebigt:

hello i need some help what is the proper way to ask here

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J-e-f-f-A:

You type your question using those buttons in front of you, and if we can help, we will... ;-)

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squish103:

don't forget the magic work... please

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J-e-f-f-A:

word? ;-)

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squish103:

opps

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thebigt:

well i got that much but like information wise

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J-e-f-f-A:

Start by at least telling what your general problem is perhaps?

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thebigt:

i installed this program and i cant see the text

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J-e-f-f-A:

Installed .... What? MythTV?

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thebigt:

duh

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, so clarify what you mean "I can't see the text" – which application(s)? mythtv-setup, mythfrontend, etc?

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thebigt:

set up i can see the scroll bar and the back ground and thats it

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J-e-f-f-A:

... and what version of MythTV did you install (and how?)

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thebigt:

i installed it from the repository i am not sure what version that is

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J-e-f-f-A:

What is your Distribution?

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thebigt:

ubuntu 8.10

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J-e-f-f-A:

OK, from a shell let's see what version of mythtv — type "mythbackend --version" and let me know what the "MythTV Branch" is.

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thebigt:

branches/release-0-21-fixes

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J-e-f-f-A:

ok, good start... Did you run mythtv-setup yet to configure your cards and sources?

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thebigt:

ya that the problem when i go to try i cant see anything

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thebigt:

thats

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J-e-f-f-A:

thebigt: Well, a quick google for "mythtv-setup ubuntu no text" popped up this link – which looks like it has the answer for you: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=394436

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thebigt:

tried that

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thebigt:

i alwase try google first

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thebigt:

if it helps i get a split second glimpse if i scroll up and down

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J-e-f-f-A:

I dunno — that sounds like a broken/wrong video driver to me...

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J-e-f-f-A:

thebigt: look at this page – 1/2 way down https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/FAQs

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** J-e-f-f-A has never encountered a video card that didn't do QT, but.... ;-) NVidia rocks... **

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J-e-f-f-A:

thebigt: Any luck?

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thebigt:

nope

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thebigt:

ive had problems with graphics on the old thing form the start

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J-e-f-f-A:

Sounds like your video card isn't happy with either QT or GL. What's the video card? Do you have the proper driver installed?

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thebigt:

its a nvida but its at lest 10 years old

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thebigt:

i installed it form the pop up that came up when i first installed ubuntu

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J-e-f-f-A:

thebigt: Humm... What card? You should be able to read the card type with 'lspci' I think...

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J-e-f-f-A:

thebigt: (Assuming the Nvidia 'Legacy' drivers still support it, you need to download and install them, and life should get much easier...)

[02:15:41]

thebigt:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev a1)

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J-e-f-f-A:

thebigt: That is pretty old... (DOH!) — checking if their legacy drivers even support it anymore...

[02:17:35]

thebigt:

ive had this computer sitting around forever i figure this would be a good use for it

[02:19:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

thebigt: Well, for Standard Definition, you might get away with it... Looks like the Nvidia Legacy drivers still support that card – head over to nvidia and download them, and read the install instructions first...

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J-e-f-f-A:

thebigt: And if it doesn't work, you can always sell the card to ' clever ' and buy something more modern... Although, if the rest of the pc is as old as the card, you'd be better off replacing it (much cheaper imho)

[02:25:34]

Lexridge:

Anyone watching the Big East Championship playoffs? WVU kicked some serious butt over Pitt tonight. WooHoo!!

[02:26:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

hey Lexridge — not me, I'm not into sports... ;-) How ya doin?

[02:27:27]

Lexridge:

doing good J-e-f-f-a. How are you doing?

[02:28:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

Not bad... waiting for it to warm up... I'm getting really tired of seeing snow... just starting to get above freezing on a daily basis the last week or so...

[02:29:21]

Lexridge:

damn, what state are you in?

[02:29:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

Massachusetts... it was 31 when I left for work this morning at 8:15...

[02:29:50]

Lexridge:

we were either in the 70s last week, or close to it, but now it's snowing again :(

[02:30:34]

Lexridge:

low is suppose to be 26 tonight. I'm so fscking sick of winter. This has certainly been a bad one for us.

[02:30:48]

Lexridge:

and you too, I'm sure.

[02:32:21]

Lexridge:

the station where I work is scheduled to go HD on tuesday for our CBS....cable only unforch. We should have been full HD already, but long story.

[02:32:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: It's not as bad (physically) on me since we bought a 2nd-hand snowblower last summer for $30 at a yard sale... Just had to clean the carb and it runs amost like new... (ariens 24" real two-stage snowblower)... ;-)

[02:33:11]

Lexridge:

nice!

[02:34:20]

Lexridge:

I still use a snow shovel. I probably need the workout anyway....but not the heart attack.

[02:34:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, I wasn't even considering it, thinking the guy wanted $150 or more... but my wife asked "How much for the snowblower?" (it's from the 80's) – and he said "$30 bucks"... Well, that peaked my curiosity as to what was wrong with it. But when it started on the first pull and sounded great, I said "SOLD!" ;-)

[02:35:04]

Lexridge:

even nicer :)

[02:35:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: Yeah, it would stall easily, but after taking the carb apart and cleaning it thouroughly, it works perfectly... ;-)

[02:36:29]

Lexridge:

I'd love to have one, but my storage space seems to keep getting smaller and smaller. I need to have a garage sale.

[02:37:08]

Lexridge:

do you know anyone that needs a nice Mazda 13B rotary engine? Free even. :)

[02:37:12]

** J-e-f-f-A just wishes he had a garage! ;-) It's currently outside under a couple of blue recycling bin containers... ;-) **

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Lexridge:

ouch!

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J-e-f-f-A:

thebigt: No luck with installing the driver yet?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: Yeah, some year I'll have a garage... for now I've got a couple of small sheds and basically a 3' high crawl space under my 3-season porch...

[02:40:21]

Lexridge:

I wanna sell this place, but with the housing market down so far, I'd probably be best to wait. I want a bigger garage, and a huge basement for my recording studio.

[02:40:39]

thebigt:

its saying that it cant oppen the file when i run the command

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J-e-f-f-A:

thebigt: you have to save it on your system, you can't just run it in "X" after downloading it.

[02:42:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

It's outlined in the install instructions, but you basically have to download the driver file and put it somewhere you can remember (desktop is probably fine, the home directory of your myth user is probably better)...

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thebigt:

lol im dumb forgot to cd to the right directery

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J-e-f-f-A:

and make sure you have the kernel sources installed (with your package manager) – then set your system to boot into shell-only mode (init level 3) and run the install script via "sh scriptname.sh"

[02:45:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

thebigt: If you've got your kenel sources downloaded, it should extract and build the driver and make the necessary changes to the xorg.conf file...

[02:46:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

then you should just have to change your init level back to 5 and reboot...

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Lexridge:

you shouldn't even have to reboot. Just changing the init level should do it.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: Yeah, I just re-boot as I've usually set autologin to automate the mythtv startup... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

it seems like every time i get around to updating anydvd, theres another update the next day

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Lexridge:

autologin? What are you doing, starting mythfrontend on boot?

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: What is anydvd? ripper?

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wagnerrp:

anydvd is a optical protection stripper

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wagnerrp:

it has some limited ripper capability

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Lexridge:

interesting way to put it ;)

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wagnerrp:

but it more sits between your optical drive, and any program intending to access the optical drive

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Lexridge:

ahh, ic

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: Yes,My frontends are dedicated myth frontends, so I want them to boot right to the main menu... And of course, I want my backend system to recover from a power failure if my UPS runs out and I'm not home... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: autologin... meaning youre running GDM/KDM?

[02:56:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Yeah, running KDE as a desktop, there's a setup for it in there...

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wagnerrp:

on a dedicated mythfrontend, theres no need for kde or any sort of login manager

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** J-e-f-f-A isn't a linux 'expert', but learns more and more over time... **

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wagnerrp:

just add something to su into 'mythtv' and startx, directly into the init scripts

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Humm... that might help that Asus Pundit P2 play ATSC HD a little smoother... (Athlon XP 3200+)

[02:58:27]

wagnerrp:

well my A64 3200+ (2GHz) plays HD just fine, with plenty of headroom

[02:58:44]

wagnerrp:

yours is... 2.2?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: It's also got crappy gfx iirc...

[02:58:56]

wagnerrp:

2.33?

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wagnerrp:

Xv support is all you need for graphics

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wagnerrp:

if you dont have that much, all bets are off

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J-e-f-f-A:

Umm... I don't recall... let me see if my son has it on, and I"ll ssh into it and cat /proc/cpuinfo ... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

looks like 2.2GHz

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wagnerrp:

200x11

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Yep... 2.2Ghz

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J-e-f-f-A:

1GB ram

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J-e-f-f-A:

Via Unichrome Pro S3 <-- yuck...

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wagnerrp:

so long as you can get Xv working, youre golden

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J-e-f-f-A:

It's working, but the box has trouble keeping up with 720p ATSC, skips video frames, but audio is clear.

[03:04:21]

wagnerrp:

are you running some form of deinterlacing?

[03:04:33]

wagnerrp:

although technically, it should be disabled on 720p...

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Umm... Yeah... let me check the settings table here...

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Lexridge:

why is it that HD cross-converters are like $3k, but every 720p HDTV has it built in for a fraction of that cost?

[03:07:33]

wagnerrp:

what is a hd crossconverter?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: You mean 'video scaler'?

[03:08:14]

Lexridge:

a cross converter converts 720p to 1080i/1080p or vise versa.

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Lexridge:

not to be confused with a downconverter.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: Ok, so an UP Scaler... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: Yeah, probably because they're designed for a commercial application and 24x7 use, where a TV isn't... ;-)

[03:09:36]

wagnerrp:

im going to say its the quality of product

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wagnerrp:

there are some dirt cheap upscalers you can get

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: I'd guess you are correct.

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wagnerrp:

there are some very expensive upscalers you can get

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Lexridge:

what is an upscaler?

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wagnerrp:

take any content of any format and output 1080p

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Lexridge:

oh, okay

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wagnerrp:

the cheap ones may only do analog, or only digital

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: For the same reason that a commercial NEC 40" LCD monitor is like $3k, and an "Visio" 40" LCD is like $800... The NECs are designed for 24x7 use, the Visio died after 1 yr of 24x7 use...

[03:10:54]

wagnerrp:

more expensive ones will convert analog to digital

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wagnerrp:

or do better upscaling

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Lexridge:

we call that an upconverter for SD, and a cross-converter for HD.

[03:11:05]

wagnerrp:

or do better audio processing as well

[03:11:08]

wagnerrp:

or have less latency

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wagnerrp:

or be a better processing chip

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Lexridge:

such as this sweet unit: http://www.aja.com/html/products_rackmount_FS1.html

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Lexridge:

this thing converts everything to anything

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J-e-f-f-A:

I've got two decent 'consumer' upscalers — a ViewSonic N4 – that is an SD to VGA scaler (analog tv tuner too) – does a great job at scaling S-Video up to 1024x768 with very impressive results...

[03:12:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

the 2nd one is the next model up – N6 – has component video inputs, and much higher vga output resolutions...

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wagnerrp:

commercial grade units have support for SDI

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Lexridge:

My results in upconverting SD to HD has been good. The video does not look better, but at least looks the same.

[03:13:25]

Lexridge:

wagnerrp: yea, of course. :)

[03:13:25]

wagnerrp:

consume just support svideo, component, vga, dvi, hdmi...

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Lexridge:

which is enough. HDMI is easily to convert to SDI and the reverse.

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wagnerrp:

looks like you get serial and network control

[03:14:02]

wagnerrp:

theres probably genlock support

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Lexridge:

oh yea

[03:14:22]

Lexridge:

NTSC black or Tri Level

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ooh, Genlock... brings me back to the Amiga!!! ;-) /me <3's his Amigas...

[03:15:10]

Lexridge:

oh yea jeff. When are you going to come down and get all these Amiga's I've been saving for you?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: If I can afford to make a trip to KS this year, I'll definitely come your way... would be the 1st or 2nd week of August.

[03:16:33]

Lexridge:

Jeff: I'll try to make space at teh station for them until then. ;)

[03:16:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: I'll probably have to pay you a storage fee, eh? ;-)

[03:17:36]

Lexridge:

wagnerrp: We just bought two of those units. One to d/convert into the production switcher, the other to d/convert our HD signal for our analog studio/transmitter link.

[03:17:53]

Lexridge:

jeff: naw :)

[03:18:09]

Lexridge:

I actually have a soft place in my heart for those old amigas

[03:19:43]

Lexridge:

What is cool, our new HD encoders and multiplexer, Adtec brand, use embedded Linux as there OS.

[03:19:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: yeah, mee too. ;-) That's probably why I still have my original Amiga 500 from 1990...

[03:19:58]

Lexridge:

their OS that is

[03:20:11]

Lexridge:

I still have mine too, somewhere.

[03:25:04]

Lexridge:

wagnerrp: The thing is, this box is $3k, but does more than the next cheapest unit available, at $10k. They cannot keep these suckers on the shelves. We were back ordered from the manufacturer for 6wks to get ours.

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wagnerrp:

and the conversion quality is just as good?

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pigeon:

does mythtv keep track of how long a user job has taken?

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wagnerrp:

not exactly

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wagnerrp:

but the log records when jobs start, and when jobs end

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wagnerrp:

so you could pull that data out for yourself

[03:47:51]

wagnerrp:

often, things like commflagging are irrelevant to the time spent

[03:48:13]

wagnerrp:

because they run in realtime, meaning they start and stop with the recording

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clever:

mythcommflag is meant to run after the capture is finished

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clever:

so it can detect the logo properly and use that in the whole thing

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wagnerrp:

mythcommflag works just fine as its recording

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clever:

ive also noticed that it will sometimes catch up with the EOF and 'finish' 3mins into the file

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: Yes, it's a brand name thing. Aja are newcomers.

[03:49:36]

Lexridge:

however, they are X Grass Valley engineers, so their product is likely to be of top quality.

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clever:

but i havent done that in ages

[03:49:48]

Lexridge:

and so far, is.

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wagnerrp:

ive noticed that the last commercial gets skipped

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wagnerrp:

occasionally

[03:50:05]

wagnerrp:

maybe thats the same bug

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wagnerrp:

ive never really bothered to look into it

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wagnerrp:

hey! the Argentinean is gone!

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pigeon:

wagnerrp: thanks

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sphery:

wagnerrp: Cool... Haven't sent an e-mail in a while to find out.

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grokky:

Anyone using nvidia driver 180.37, VDPAU profile and latest SVN experiencing long (30–40 second) blank screens after finishing watching a recording/video before return to menu?

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grokky:

Began sometime after svn 20128, xv profile works fine.

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wagnerrp:

is the ffmpeg site down for anyone else? (www.ffmpeg.org)

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iamlindoro:

yeah, has been all day

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iamlindoro:

frustrating

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wagnerrp:

google cache it is....

[05:09:36]

iamlindoro:

they don't let you get digest mail of their dev list and it's too high volume for me to stay subscribed to

[05:09:43]

iamlindoro:

so I'm usually forced to follow it from the archive

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iamlindoro:

which is also down

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mzb_d800:

hi all, I was speaking to someone a few weeks ago about themes for LCD displays in mythtv (lcdproc)

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mzb_d800:

does anyone recall the name of the guy talking about this?

[05:14:33]

mzb_d800:

(I don't log irc these days;)

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wagnerrp:

i think J-e-f-f-A has been working on revamping lcdproc

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mzb_d800:

hmm, iirc it was a name I'm not familiar with

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mzb_d800:

not to worry

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mzb_d800:

if subject comes up I've now got a 20x4 on my mythbox

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mzb_d800:

planning on a few changes ... we'll see

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mzb_d800:

also have a number of 16x2's for other boxes that I'll get around to at some stage

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mzb_d800:

ps: LCD colour matches mythcentre theme quite nicely ;)

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mzb_d800:

(images uploading for those interested)

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mzb_d800:

http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/LCD/ (note: only half way through uploading 2 of 3 images)

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wagnerrp:

whats with the shifted image?

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wagnerrp:

must have been a partial file artifact

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mzb_d800:

on the LCD? It's scrolling the title + subtitle

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mzb_d800:

wait for img_0424

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mzb_d800:

ah, yes, partial file... uploads complete

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mzb_d800:

424 probably most interesting (mythcentre + lcdproc on white/blue)

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mzb_d800:

might increase the contrast if/when I include switchable backlight with LDR

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mzb_d800:

(switch between low/high, not on/off)

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mzb_d800:

that took me far too long to make ... spent a day getting just the front panel + LCD right (extremely tight fit).

[05:42:45]

mzb_d800:

But have WAF+ ... (as opposed to "no comment") ... so looks like the effort was worth it ;)

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mzb_d800:

def. need to investigate creating "graphical" large clock

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mzb_d800:

(her eyesight isn't as good as mine)

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mzb_d800:

ps: "large clock" option in mythtv is pointless (double-spaces the numbers)

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mzb_d800:

not sure if that's non-compliant HD44870, or quite what

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mzb_d800:

anyway, speaking of WAF, better see if I'm required to fire up the BBQ yet.

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mzb_d800:

have fun

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wagnerrp:

we did last week

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mzb_d800:

had fun? ;)

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wagnerrp:

hell no

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mzb_d800:

sounds like we all need to get out more ;)

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wagnerrp:

i had to scrub off the bird crap and bugs that had accumulated on it over the winter

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mzb_d800:

ah, BBQ

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mzb_d800:

yeah ... know the feeling. Have the luxury of the father-outlaw's high pressure washer atm ;) ... not sure if I can be bothered ;)

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mzb_d800:

(and his super-concentrated caustic wash labelled "Acid Wash: WARNING – dilute ... heh ... we'll you get the idea;)

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mzb_d800:

nasty stuff ... don't like using it much

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wagnerrp:

weve got a pressure washer, but ive never actually used the fluid attachment

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mzb_d800:

lol

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mzb_d800:

I hate to think

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wagnerrp:

or at least theres a little hose coming out that back that i assume thats what its for

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wagnerrp:

...looks like youre supposed to put it into a bottle of detergent or something

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mzb_d800:

1. spray BBQ with caustic solution, 2. spray off with high-pressure, 3. allow to dry.

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mzb_d800:

sounds simple ... doesn't usually end up that way (lack of practice?)

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wagnerrp:

results in pile of slag on ground, formerly BBQ

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mzb_d800:

lol

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mzb_d800:

managed to get the wash on the stems of my safety glasses last time ... duh!

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** mzb_d800 senses strange burning feeling above the ears! **

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wagnerrp:

ive worked with some horribly nasty chemicals before

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wagnerrp:

but i was fortunate enough never to have any significant spills

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wagnerrp:

worst i would come across would be little splatter holes in my clothes when i came home

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mzb_d800:

right up in the "I don't like it" category along with high-voltage DC

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wagnerrp:

although with all the crap i was exposed to at that job, i expect the composite tubes are going to get me in the end

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wagnerrp:

i had to dremel off small test samples, and the fume hood was... less than adequate

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Gokee2_laptop:

Anyone happen to know a good page on v4l on debian lenny? I know I had found one when I first did my mythbox but can`t seem to find it now that I am moving my mythtv install

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tank-man:

define a good page

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sid3windr:

(and why is v4l different on lenny than on anything else)

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stuarta:

morning all

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** stuarta remembers it's friday **

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fred_basset:

ahh, gotta love fridays

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CaptainCaveman:

heh. happy friday :)

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trevor:

Hi there... I'm wondering if anyone could give me some pointers on the "tinny audio" problem.

[10:07:06]

trevor:

I've done extensive google searching and seem to be getting a number of different answers, none of which quite seem to work.

[10:07:56]

CaptainCaveman:

I had that with my PVR150 for a time. I never really cured it

[10:08:06]

trevor:

Hmm.

[10:08:15]

trevor:

I've tried adding this to my channel changing script:

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trevor:

/usr/bin/v4l2-ctl --set-audio-input 2 -d /dev/video0

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trevor:

/usr/bin/v4l2-ctl --set-audio-input 1 -d /dev/video0

[10:08:31]

CaptainCaveman:

every once in a while it'd start a recording & it'd be tinny

[10:08:41]

trevor:

and I thought I'd fixed it... but I got more tinnyness on a recording today...

[10:08:58]

CaptainCaveman:

luckily things are repeated so often on UK cable I could just re-record (not fade away)

[10:08:59]

trevor:

Well.. what I've read indicates it's an ivtv version issue...

[10:09:18]

CaptainCaveman:

I tried loads of versions

[10:09:20]

trevor:

I've recently upgraded my ubuntu kernel to the server version... trying to get 4GB of memory working on my backend...

[10:09:36]

CaptainCaveman:

4GB? why the hell?

[10:09:47]

trevor:

It's one of the very few things I've not gotten working on my new Ubuntu server install.. never saw it before on my Slackware backend... :)

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fred_basset:

trevor: you running a 64bit version of ubuntu?

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trevor:

Mythbackend isn't the only thing running on this thing... it only had 1GB of memory before, and the swap was software raided...

[10:10:19]

trevor:

fred_basset: nope.

[10:10:36]

fred_basset:

then you'll only have a bit over 3gb of useful memory

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trevor:

server was hanging/crashing, and the 1GB of memory seemed like the likely bottleneck, and 4GB of memory was cheap

[10:10:47]

fred_basset:

that's a 32bit thing

[10:10:48]

trevor:

fred_basset: Actually, no.

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CaptainCaveman:

software raid for swap?

[10:10:57]

CaptainCaveman:

sheesh

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trevor:

If you upgrade to the server-kernel, the last 0.8 GB frees up

[10:11:15]

fred_basset:

ah, they use the funky patches

[10:11:22]

trevor:

CaptainCaveman: I know, but it's reccomended, as if the raid is on the crashed drive, the machine will crash

[10:11:43]

CaptainCaveman:

wooo HDD crash causes machine fallover.

[10:11:46]

trevor:

I'm uncertain if tinnyness came before or after that... I believe before, but not sure.

[10:12:01]

trevor:

Well, CaptainCaveman, I'm not worrying about it anymore.. :)

[10:12:11]

trevor:

$30 for a 4GB upgrade is fine by me.

[10:12:19]

CaptainCaveman:

they kept saying the tinny audio problem was fixed. time & again

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trevor:

nods...

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trevor:

I'm guessing mythbuntu uses it's own special kernel/ivtv setup?

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CaptainCaveman:

and I thought they had fixed it every time too. oops

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CaptainCaveman:

funnily enough, never had the problem when I was testing the card on gentoo

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trevor:

Never had it on slackware either... :)

[10:13:53]

CaptainCaveman:

but then, I'd built my own kernel then

[10:13:56]

trevor:

I'd be happy with a command that would turn it off consistently, that didn't accidentally turn *on* the tinniness as well... :)

[10:14:21]

CaptainCaveman:

what it always sounded like was really bad aliasing

[10:14:22]

trevor:

Well, I've left Slackware after 13 years of rolling everything... and I got too old to take any more dependancy breakage...

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fred_basset:

gets boring after a while

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trevor:

Well.. I really didn't know what to search for to fix this... came across a tinny audio thread with an mpg that had EXACTLY the problem I had.. so I'm assuming it's the same thing.

[10:15:07]

trevor:

ndos

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CaptainCaveman:

or like a scifi voice effect where the audio is chopped off & on hundreds of timmes a second

[10:15:18]

trevor:

OK, good to know there isn't a quick fix.

[10:15:25]

CaptainCaveman:

like the aliens in 'V' :D

[10:15:31]

trevor:

Let's me focus my study a bit.

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trevor:

is there a way to determine ivtv version in Ubuntu?

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trevor:

I'm assuming it's just rolled into the kernel.. should be in... messages...

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trevor:

lemme check.

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fred_basset:

/var/log/dmesg will have the boot msgs

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trevor:

1.4

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trevor:

1.4.0

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trevor:

it's in messages as well, apparently.. (though harder to find)

[10:18:58]

trevor:

CaptainCaveman: sounds a bit more like fingernails on a blackboard mixed with V aliens.

[10:19:31]

trevor:

someone posted an mpg clip... here...

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CaptainCaveman:

heh. was never that bad here

[10:19:35]

trevor:

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zjmdjdunzgi

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trevor:

that's exactly what I'm getting.

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CaptainCaveman:

no audio here. Mr iPoo is playing his 'music' today

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trevor:

lol

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trevor:

It's interesting how many of these posts are from 2009

[10:20:28]

trevor:

I'm wondering how new a problem this is?

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CaptainCaveman:

maybe changes to support other hardware have kinked stuff

[10:22:07]

trevor:

It's possible.

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trevor:

OK, I'm not going to stress about it tonight.

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fred_basset:

okay, interesting that ivtvdriver.org doesn't have a 1.4 version

[10:22:26]

trevor:

Hmm.

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CaptainCaveman:

if the v4ldvb repo changelogs weren't such a PITA to navigate I'd have a dig

[10:22:37]

trevor:

I'll check dmesg.. maybe misread.

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CaptainCaveman:

fecking hate git

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trevor:

devs appear to like it.

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trevor:

I'm not sure why... :)

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trevor:

[ 23.231703] ivtv: Start initialization, version 1.4.0

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** fred_basset wonders if the website is just out of date **

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trevor:

ahhh.. I see...

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CaptainCaveman:

fred_basset: doesn't look like they update it anymore since the merge

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trevor:

ivtv is part of the kernel now

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trevor:

nods

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fred_basset:

ok, i don't normally track this stuff as i have no need of it

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trevor:

OK, I'll consider rolling my own ubuntu kernel at a later date. For tonight, thanks for the information. :)

[10:25:29]

trevor:

later...

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CaptainCaveman:

still bugs me that I never fixed it. I just can't let go

[10:26:30]

CaptainCaveman:

but this stupid xrandr failing thing is bugging me more

[10:26:57]

CaptainCaveman:

playback sometimes gets weirdly offset & I see a message about setting the res failing in my frontend log

[10:27:07]

CaptainCaveman:

restart X, the xrandr works

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CaptainCaveman:

xrandr works from the commandline too. should always be using 800x600 (720x576 isn't supported) but when the video is stupidly zoomed or offset, setting it to 1024x768 manually fixes it. Weird stuff

[10:31:24]

CaptainCaveman:

damn freedesktop.org's invalid certificates

[10:31:52]

fred_basset:

is it a cacert.org root CA?

[10:32:28]

CaptainCaveman:

dunno. just added the exception

[10:33:07]

fred_basset:

cacert's root CA generally needs importing explicitly

[10:35:15]

fred_basset:

my new toy turned up yesterday

[10:35:28]

fred_basset:

not a bad bit of kit for 150 quid

[10:36:21]

CaptainCaveman:

cool

[10:36:31]

fred_basset:

drive arrives today hopefully, so i can spend sunday arvo building it

[10:36:47]

CaptainCaveman:

hrm. looking in the driver code for this intel thing it should support 1280x720 as a native res

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fred_basset:

it's a 3g celery, passive cooling, 1x dvb-t card, 1x wireless net card

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fred_basset:

7.1 audio, shed loads of connectors, even SCART!!!!

[10:39:41]

CaptainCaveman:

is it quiet?

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fred_basset:

only limitation is internally only room for 1x 3.5" sata, 1x 5" ide (meant for dvd)

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fred_basset:

can't tell yet

[10:40:22]

fred_basset:

powered it up in the workroom at the office which has about 30 machines running in it

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CaptainCaveman:

heh

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fred_basset:

didn't _seem_ too loud, but won't really know till i build it up at home

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CaptainCaveman:

god, I wish there was a way of setting intel tv out stuff without xrandr. like a nice app with sliders

[10:41:46]

fred_basset:

i may have that fun to come then

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CaptainCaveman:

changes don't get loaded until a mode change

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fred_basset:

it's got the intel graphics media video card thing

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fred_basset:

onboard

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CaptainCaveman:

so if you're trying to adjust the picture position, set the border or whatever... change modes or you won't see it

[10:42:44]

CaptainCaveman:

so change X value, change mode, change mode to see effect in previous mode. messy

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fred_basset:

ugh

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CaptainCaveman:

looks like the latest tv out code is pretty much the same too

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CaptainCaveman:

just digging to see if it'd be easy to poke the registers

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CaptainCaveman:

oo. newer driver supports all the modes I seem to be missing like 720x576, 704x576...

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CaptainCaveman:

been meaning to knack my frontend soon anyway so I'll play with it then

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CaptainCaveman:

oh they fixed the tearing too :)

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CaptainCaveman:

maybe they've addressed the changing of tvout parameters thing as well. I'll keep you posted

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fred_basset:

ta

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CaptainCaveman:

might have to do a 'dip doo magazoo' to choose the next distro to use on my frontend :P

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** Dibblah votes for LFS :) **

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fred_basset:

does anyone else think that freedesktop's website is crap?

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** fred_basset pokes Dibblah with a sharp object **

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CaptainCaveman:

Dibblah: only cos you never want to see me ever again :P

[11:15:59]

fred_basset:

psst. make him use gentoo...

[11:16:10]

CaptainCaveman:

might play with slack since I can do it non-destructively

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CaptainCaveman:

fred_basset: they're obviously too busy writing driver code to make their website nice

[11:17:02]

fred_basset:

it's just so, um, "content free"

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CaptainCaveman:

but I suspect sending them mockups of a revamp would result in troutage

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CaptainCaveman:

yeah. effall documentation really

[11:17:31]

CaptainCaveman:

like how the hell you set tv out format & stuff

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CaptainCaveman:

caused _major_ head scratching

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fred_basset:

tho i might end up having something that'll be persuaded to utilized the vaapi

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CaptainCaveman:

xrandr --output TV --set TV_FORMAT PAL; xrandr --output TV --set TOP 1; xrandr --output TV --set LEFT 20; xrandr --output TV --set RIGHT 5; xrandr --output TV --set BOTTOM 5; xrandr --output TV --mode 800x600 works for me

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CaptainCaveman:

(generally)

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fred_basset:

ug and fish

[11:20:21]

CaptainCaveman:

why the eff they can't put those in xorg.conf I dunno

[11:20:41]

CaptainCaveman:

at least they're exposed _somewhere_

[11:20:59]

CaptainCaveman:

or maybe they can be done in xorg.conf but I was buggered if I could find any docs

[11:21:16]

CaptainCaveman:

maybe more digging in the source will reveal stuff :D

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CaptainCaveman:

ye olde waye

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fred_basset:

you can put the xrandr layout stuff in xorg.conf

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CaptainCaveman:

rly? hmm

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fred_basset:

although it's still basically "screen-0" right of "screen-1" type stuff

[11:24:07]

CaptainCaveman:

not sure if they're available yet but running xrandr never showed you the list of available parameters :-\

[11:25:05]

CaptainCaveman:

then again, without somebody to write docs there can be no docs

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CaptainCaveman:

nah. next project. get my frontend booting MOARFASTER

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CaptainCaveman:

might be time to get making my own kernels again with all the goodies built in

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CaptainCaveman:

& ditch all the stupid probing for hardware I ain't got

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k-man:

is there a script around for starting mythtv-frontend that will restart it if it crashes?

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fred_basset:

isn't mythwelcome supposed todo something like that?

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CaptainCaveman:

I ran mythwelcome once

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fred_basset:

i'm definitely going to give it a proper bash on this new machine

[11:51:17]

CaptainCaveman:

a better solution would be to try & figure out why the frontend crashes & stop it doing that :)

[11:51:43]

fred_basset:

well yes :-p

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** fred_basset trouts CaptainCaveman **

[11:53:11]

CaptainCaveman:

restarting mythfrontend when it crashes is like putting sticky plasters on a chainsaw wound

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CaptainCaveman:

though probably not as bloody or as painful

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CaptainCaveman:

oh goody. I have another unit on my desk which appears to have corrupted its own flash when updating its settings. using flash as non volatile ram maybe isn't the improvement over i2c nvram everybody imagined

[11:57:25]

CaptainCaveman:

certainly not when the partition table ends up being trashed

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fred_basset:

heh

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CaptainCaveman:

last thing the user did was change the unit's IP address setting apparently. whoops

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CaptainCaveman:

imagine if you saved a setting in your BIOS & it resulted in needing a total reflash

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CaptainCaveman:

with JTAG

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fred_basset:

nasty

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CaptainCaveman:

I'd have thought flash would be the wrong thing to use for storing config data anyway, since writes are done in blocks at a time but hey I'm not a hardware engineer

[12:04:44]

CaptainCaveman:

might even be a jffs2 bug who knows. not my problem :D

[12:07:36]

CaptainCaveman:

heh. a mate just tweeted 'opensolaris?' at my pondering over which distro to try on my frontend. ROFL

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CaptainCaveman:

he no know me so well methinks

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Josh_Borke:

how can i find out why my auto-transcode option isn't being enforced? i checked the database and the recording profiles have auto-transcode enabled. i have to tell myth to transcode every recording currently

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dubstar04:

does anyone know what the current freesat support is like with 0.21?

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CaptainCaveman:

should just work (tm) AFAIK

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dubstar04:

so there is no eit issues?

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dubstar04:

i have googled but it seems there have been mixed results...

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fred_basset:

Josh_Borke: have you enabled autotranscoding?

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v j-rod

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fred_basset:

dubstar04: there is data their and it's useful for scheduling

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fred_basset:

however the data isn't always consistent for the same program on dvb-t

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Josh_Borke:

fred_basset: i need to go home and check the transcoding profiles to make sure they are set to allow auto-transcoding

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** CaptainCaveman blames the EIT monkeys **

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fred_basset:

aye, bad monkeys

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fred_basset:

at least the bbc get the programid & seriesid's consistent

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fred_basset:

itv uses completely different programid's on dvb-t vs dvb-s

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CaptainCaveman:

I suspect the programids might vary by region too

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fred_basset:

haven't actually checked that :)

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dubstar04:

whats it like mixing dvb-t and dvb-s? am i going to end up with scheduling issues?

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CaptainCaveman:

possibly

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fred_basset:

you'll get more recordings than expected due to the mismatching id's

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dubstar04:

oh

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CaptainCaveman:

but that's not that bad a downside

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fred_basset:

bit of a pita

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CaptainCaveman:

better to record too many showings than too few ;)

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dubstar04:

all i want is the hd channels!

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fred_basset:

well then hide all the other channels and there won't be a problem :)

[12:45:58]

fred_basset:

you do gain a few more +1 channels on dvb-s

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CaptainCaveman:

when I've finished my tree hacking I'll be sourcing a dish so I can buy into some of this one tuner for few HD channels malarkey

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fred_basset:

i've also found that setting the callsigns to be the same on all the regional variations helps

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dubstar04:

what channels are missing from freesat?

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fred_basset:

CaptainCaveman: oddly enough, maplins are doing some deals on stuff like that

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fred_basset:

dubstar04: it's more the other way around

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CaptainCaveman:

couple of channel 5 things IIRC, that's it. & Four's HD

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fred_basset:

there are more on freesat

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CaptainCaveman:

not that there's much on 4HD

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CaptainCaveman:

or even ITVHD. FA to watch on ITV as is let alone in HD :P

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fred_basset:

you gain film4+1, itv3+1, itc4+1, bbc hd

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fred_basset:

few others

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CaptainCaveman:

caught a bit of something my wife recorded off ITV2. 504x576 blockovision :-\

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fred_basset:

fugly

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fred_basset:

there are some horribly compressed channels

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CaptainCaveman:

when ofcom culls the 6 terrestrial muxes to 5, freesat will be even more worthwhile (in theory) for SDTV too

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fred_basset:

anyway, as exciting as this is, i've a new bit of hardware to install

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CaptainCaveman:

bitrates are apparently higher than on dvb-s right now but that'll change

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** fred_basset will be biab **

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CaptainCaveman:

see what's new on the lusers ML

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CaptainCaveman:

ooo another 'absolute minimum' thread. when will people get a clue?

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CaptainCaveman:

new series of Screenwipe starts on the 25th :)

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CaptainCaveman:

well, that rules out using archlinux. I want xf86-video-intel 2.6 not 2.4

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j-rod:

2.6 is so last year.

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CaptainCaveman:

thought 2.6 was the latest released version

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j-rod:

yeah, it is

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j-rod:

:)

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CaptainCaveman:

jees, even slack only has 2.4

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CaptainCaveman:

so looks like I'll be rolling my own

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j-rod:

Fedora 11 seems to have 2.6 + a fair amount of stuff from 2.7

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j-rod:

nice to finally have working kernel mode setting again on my laptop

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CaptainCaveman:

jees. intrepid only has 2.4 too :-\

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CaptainCaveman:

I'm not putting the hat on just to get 2.6

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CaptainCaveman:

heheh

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j-rod:

so you'll use slack, arch or ubuntu, but not fedora?

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** CaptainCaveman grabs a slab of Slack **

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shadash:

<--- Centos

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CaptainCaveman:

don't ask me why. I'

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CaptainCaveman:

I guess I'm just closed-minded

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shadash:

I used to use Fedora

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shadash:

before that Gentoo

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shadash:

before that Red Hat

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j-rod:

I've got kvm installs of just about everything

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j-rod:

but I'm kind of a Fedora die-hard

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shadash:

source distro's are just a pain to keep updated

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shadash:

j-rod: you shoud try centos it's like fedora but wihtout all the goodies

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shadash:

Gentoo was fast but required too much tinkering

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j-rod:

um.

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j-rod:

heh

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CaptainCaveman:

j-rod: I suppose that maybe it doesn't make any difference what I use since I'll be building myth myself anyway

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shadash:

although I can see way developers would like Gentoo

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j-rod:

there are an equal number of devs who dislike gentoo

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Greenback:

indeed

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j-rod:

because its bloody hard to reproduce bugs when no two systems are alike

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CaptainCaveman:

I think my fear of FC comes from 'dependency hell' which may be unfounded

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j-rod:

dependency hell has been completely unfounded for YEARS now

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j-rod:

nb: for those playing along at home who don't know me already...

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shadash:

yea dep hell is silly

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j-rod:

my work email address: jarod@redhat.com

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CaptainCaveman:

how had that come about anyway – people mixing repos like no tomorrow?

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shadash:

it come's from people that don't understand rpm

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shadash:

j-rod: are yo uin N. Carolina?

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Greenback:

for what it's worth, I'd imagine most devs have better things to do that sit around waiting for unimportant apps to compile when they could be getting work done instead

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j-rod:

no, westford, ma

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shadash:

and Jarod thanks for the Myth how to guide

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j-rod:

most of engineering is in the Boston area now

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CaptainCaveman:

maybe it's as easy to fall into that trap on *buntu too

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shadash:

ahhh

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CaptainCaveman:

or any other distro where you can mix & match package sources

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j-rod:

CaptainCaveman: there *is* still an issue w/Fedora if you mix multiple 3rd-party repos

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shadash:

just a little fyi fedora kickstart and your myth guide got me one of my jobs ;-)

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CaptainCaveman:

right but in my case I prolly won't even need to get near falling into that trap

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j-rod:

so that's one thing that, say, ubuntu does provide a cleaner end-user experience for

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shadash:

I created a custom installer that just works from kick start the auto installed myth

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j-rod:

you don't have to go hunt down 3rd-party repos most of the time

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Greenback:

mixing repos with any distro is going to end in tears, I keep making the mistake of mixing Mandriva's 'cooker' (unstable) repo with the stable ones :/

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CaptainCaveman:

I gave up on the idea of making a nice compact setup of my own but it's still tempting

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j-rod:

and there aren't multiple places to get the same packages

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shadash:

the guy hiring thought I was a scary smart

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CaptainCaveman:

now I've got a dual core laptop it might be good to play with customising minimyth. that thing is teeny tiny

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CaptainCaveman:

I think all it's missing is my network driver come to think...

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shadash:

j-rod: the new fedora boot sequience is awesone

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CaptainCaveman:

rip out bootsplash & crud.. make it more nippy :)

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shadash:

I can't wait until that gets into centos

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j-rod:

yeah, plymouth and kms is pretty sweet

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CaptainCaveman:

my frontend boots way faster than my cable STB but that's still not that far short of 50 secs

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j-rod:

kms works reasonably well on a lot of radeon cards and most intel cards now

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j-rod:

nouveau is slowly coming together

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shadash:

what is KMS is that kernel level virtual machines?

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j-rod:

kernel mode setting

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shadash:

I'll look it up

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j-rod:

video adapter modes get set in-kernel instead of by X

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shadash:

ahh

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shadash:

that will be cool

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j-rod:

that's what enables the seamless graphical boot -> X startup transition w/o flicker

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j-rod:

the vt is already set to the proper resolution, so X doesn't have to do a mode switch to start up

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shadash:

It looks awesome

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shadash:

thanks for all the hard work ;-)

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j-rod:

and your console isn't 80x24 on a 1920x1200 monitor, its 1920x1200

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CaptainCaveman:

meh. I just want it to be as near instant-on as possible :D

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CaptainCaveman:

without the awful mess that is STR

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CaptainCaveman:

and STR is only a mess because hardware is awful at it

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j-rod:

oh, with kms, str works better too

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j-rod:

don't have to vt switch away from X before you can suspend

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j-rod:

still nowhere as good as, say, apple

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j-rod:

but improving

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CaptainCaveman:

my employer's kit takes a very long time to get from power on to usable

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j-rod:

yeah, my t61 used to take close to 30 seconds to actually be usable after str

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CaptainCaveman:

not that it should matter of course, since this stuff isn't ever meant to reboot

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CaptainCaveman:

oof

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j-rod:

its less than 10 now, but still not exactly great

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j-rod:

(actually, I haven't timed it lately)

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j-rod:

considering my 4+ year old powerbook suspends and resumes damn near instantaneously

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CaptainCaveman:

I pared my ubuntu init down as much as I dared & it's still not good enough

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j-rod:

a lot of it is because suspend and resume has a fragile infrastructure of shell scripts controlling shutdown and startup of misc stuff

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CaptainCaveman:

I had my S100 boxes getting into mythfrontend in less than 20 secs from powered down without any real effort when I used slack

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j-rod:

poking around inside pm-utils is mildly terrifying

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CaptainCaveman:

now that I could live with

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j-rod:

I simply leave my frontend on all the time

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CaptainCaveman:

I could always just use NVR wakeup

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j-rod:

too many other things to worry about more for me

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CaptainCaveman:

or even WoL if the kernel shut down the NIC gracefully every time. which it doesn't

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AndyCap:

Dependency hell was from people trying to install one rpm and finding they had to download four more and then another three and one more. which got bloody annoying in the end. :) fortunately some of those so annoyed went and ported apt-get or wrote yum. :)

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AndyCap:

CaptainCaveman: do you know if that is driver specific or just nic's in general?

[14:19:33]

CaptainCaveman:

happens with a few different NICs I've read about

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CaptainCaveman:

fixes ping-pong in & out of kernel revs

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AndyCap:

blargh. :-) oh well, I'm optimistic about my new mini-itx board and Fedora 11

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CaptainCaveman:

17 mins & I'll have the dvd :)

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AndyCap:

seeing how it's not released yet, probably not. :P

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CaptainCaveman:

wonder how long it'll be before my ISP's STM kicks in

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CaptainCaveman:

dunno if I even have any writable DVD media anymore. heh

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fred_basset:

i sense a purchasing trip in your future....

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lwizardl:

Hello

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lwizardl:

has anyone here done a whole house audio distribution?

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CaptainCaveman:

yes. we just turn the volume up to 11

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sid3windr:

ONE MORE!

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CaptainCaveman:

it really does go up to 11

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fred_basset:

shake those walls

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** fred_basset still can't believe people ask sensible questions on a friday **

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CaptainCaveman:

seriously though, I'm going to run cat5 into every room & put 4x stereo feeds on. feed them from 4 sources & switch them locally in each room, into local amps

[14:37:33]

CaptainCaveman:

cheaper than having an amp rack & matrix switching

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lwizardl:

well I'm looking to distribute audio to all the rooms in my house. and was looking for a option to enable/disable the audio in each room sorta like a lightswitch to control the circuit

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fred_basset:

this sounds like advanced home wiring 201

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CaptainCaveman:

better off using audio baluns & local active speakers

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CaptainCaveman:

I've seen those USB LCD touchpanels available now... if they would work in linux, you can balun USB over cat5 :D

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sid3windr:

=)

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CaptainCaveman:

HA on the £cheap

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sid3windr:

I guess they're costly? :)

[14:39:22]

CaptainCaveman:

not at all

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** fred_basset googles **

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CaptainCaveman:

< £150 for a 7" wide touchscreen

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CaptainCaveman:

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/7-Mimo-UM-740- . . . nd-Mic-Black

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lwizardl:

thats like $194 USD

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CaptainCaveman:

local prices will be better for you no doubt

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CaptainCaveman:

looks like what you're getting there is better than http://www.mini-box.com/PicoLCD-4X20-Sideshow

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CaptainCaveman:

_way_ better :D

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CaptainCaveman:

if only the lcd controller had linux support. it might

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lwizardl:

i've seen ones like that used on XBMC and a few linux distros

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lwizardl:

I've seen a modded pc case that used a screen like that to display temps and it was cut into the case itself

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CaptainCaveman:

yeah but with a USB cat5 balun... :)

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fred_basset:

CaptainCaveman: you might be lucky and it turn up as a HID device

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lwizardl:

I would just find out who makes them and send a email to like support@website and ask them about os support or commands supported

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sid3windr:

well, 150 eur is still costly :]

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sid3windr:

everything's relative of course :p

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sid3windr:

hmm

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sid3windr:

yeah if that would work under linux it might be cool :)

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CaptainCaveman:

looks like work has already started!

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CaptainCaveman:

bugger. framebuffer only AFAICT

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sid3windr:

what's wrong with framebuffer?

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CaptainCaveman:

MFE no worky on flamebuffer

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sid3windr:

oh. what does it need then?

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CaptainCaveman:

eggs

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CaptainCaveman:

egg sorg

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CaptainCaveman:

saying that, what is a vnc connection other than a remote FB ?

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sid3windr:

I thought there was an eggs driver for fb?

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CaptainCaveman:

ffs there are already xorg USB display drivers

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sid3windr:

:)

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CaptainCaveman:

sisusb2vga

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CaptainCaveman:

jees. that's old news

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CaptainCaveman:

wonder if there's any info on what uses which chipset

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sid3windr:

yeah I don't think it's a global standard for vga usb stuffies

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sid3windr:

do you think usb can withstand longer cable runs than pure vga?

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CaptainCaveman:

displaylink. she no worky of loonix :(

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CaptainCaveman:

well.. there's a proof of concept thing.. to which is attached the note.. "y default, the demo will run with a red gradient, but you can pass a 640×960 pixel raw 24bit-RGB image as first parameter, and it will use that instead."

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CaptainCaveman:

pity

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CaptainCaveman:

but I guess you're right – you can always get a regular touchscreen monitor & extend it

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CaptainCaveman:

not really much more hassle

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CaptainCaveman:

or just a cheap small LCD & hack up an IR receiver alongside

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CaptainCaveman:

hrm. I already have boxes to send svideo & audio alone a cat5 cable

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CaptainCaveman:

s/alone/along

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CaptainCaveman:

wooo. virtual frontend in every room too :D

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CaptainCaveman:

<dreaming>and when those mini projectors get cheaper.... </dreaming>

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fred_basset:

displaylink is supposed to be an openstandard

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fred_basset:

and a hardware thing

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fred_basset:

like the standard vga connector is a hardware thing

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CaptainCaveman:

apart from the fact that DisplayLink (tm) uses a propriatary protocol...

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lwizardl:

anyone know of any good chatrooms for home theater and wiring?

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iamlindoro_:

#electronics?

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CaptainCaveman:

not much goes on in terms of DIY. people tend to buy ready made stuff & go about things in a totally overblown way (i.e. Node Zero etc)

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CaptainCaveman:

so old hat

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iamlindoro_:

double hash, apparently, ##electronics

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CaptainCaveman:

for best results make your question seem like you need help with homework

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lwizardl:

I've done lots of standard installs stuff like theater in a box setups for people but the setup I'm wanting is more than that

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CaptainCaveman:

well, fwiw go with line level distribution (balanced) & amplify/switch locally. way cheaper

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CaptainCaveman:

(IMHO)

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gore:

I need some help. I'm encountering an odd segfault with mythfrontend on my gentoo box (.21 fixes from the testing ebuild).

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gore:

Specifically, when I play back digitally broadcast 480i (recorded by my ATSC tuner) it seems to randomly crash. The same recording will sometimes playback fine, but others segfault at a seemingly random position during playback.

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iamlindoro_:

gore: to give any sort of qualitative information you will need to compile with debug symbols and get a backtrace as described in http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2

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gore:

Not some kind of known bug then, I take it.

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SQlvpapir:

is it recommended to give the mysql root user a pw?

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sphery:

SQlvpapir: yes, it's recommended...

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CaptainCaveman:

is it recommended to leave the key to your front door stuck in the lock?

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iamlindoro_:

gore: Almost no segfaults in myth can be diagnosed without seeing what the actual segfault is-- I can only think of one hard-and-fast known segfault in fixes

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SQlvpapir:

sphery: ok thanks :)

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sphery:

SQlvpapir: if you're concerned about remembering it, don't be... There's absolutely no reason to remember it once you learn how to reset the root password.

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SQlvpapir:

sphery: well I had some bad experience with mysql db creating on debian.. had to create it manually every single time so thought I would ask

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sphery:

(at least on a MySQL server that can be restarted whenever you want/need). The root user password on my MythTV MySQL servers is randomly generated and no one (not even I) knows the password.

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SQlvpapir:

Im going to run the installation as a different user than mythtv (as I usually do – on dedicated setups). should I usermod my user to be a part of mythtv group?

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CaptainCaveman:

yers

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iamlindoro_:

That's going to depend entirely on your distro and setup, user names and groups mean nothing at all

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SQlvpapir:

hmm Im gonna have to make my wiki public soon so others can benefit from those questions :)

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SQlvpapir:

iamlindoro its on debian.. how do I find out?

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iamlindoro_:

the user you use needs to have appropriate permissions to access the hardware (usually meaning being a member of the video group or equivalent), permissions to the directories you intend to write to, and you need to have a mysql user with full permissions on the mythconverg DB

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iamlindoro_:

that's all you need, names of users and groups don't maatter so long as the above are true

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SQlvpapir:

ah that makes sense

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SQlvpapir:

Think Im gonna test first w/o being part of the group and check if it is needed

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iamlindoro_:

You can call your user FredGarvinMaleProstitute and Myth won't care so long as you can read/write the device, dirs, and DB :)

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gore:

iamlindoro_: I'm assuming I must remove -fomit-frame-pointer from my cflags, which has been applied by default on this system. Will I need to rebuild anything else other than mythtv itself?

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SQlvpapir:

yea I get that :) dpk comes with this screen which is why I ask http://dreijer.dk/~teis/

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iamlindoro_:

gore: Why would you omit that flag?

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: if you're not messing with build configuration in ways that cause differing results on different packages, you're not a true gentoo-er

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iamlindoro_:

gore: I can't account for gentoo as I don't use it, but myth has a configure option called --compile-type, which you should use as --compile-type=debug to get a version with debug symbols

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gore:

iamlindoro_: it's recommended in various gentoo documentation, and I haven't had reason to mess with it.

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** iamlindoro_ just does what the voices in his head tell him **

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iamlindoro_:

What's that? But I don't *want* to burn things any more!

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gore:

I'm building mythtv now with debug symbols and without that flag, I just wonder if I must rebuild shared libraries.

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iamlindoro_:

The BT should make it clear whether the segfault is in myth or not-- if it is, someone smart can likely tell you something. If it's not, we point at you and laugh

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sphery:

gore: unless you're a packager, you shouldn't be setting any CPPFLAGS/CFLAGS/LDFLAGS when building Myth...

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sphery:

let configure do its job for you

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sphery:

(and then Myth will work for you)

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gore:

sphery: shrug, this is the gentoo ebuild.

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gore:

It's typical to have that flag set in make.conf on gentoo systems. It's possible the ebuild even ignores it, I haven't verified that it's even applied.

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gore:

Anyway, it's gone now :)

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wagnerrp:

gore: what do you mean you havent verified that it has applied? you just do an 'emerge -v' and it lists EVERYTHING

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iamlindoro_:

Gentoo: When you absolutely, positively need the user experience of a proctological exam

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sphery:

gore: also, if you're trying to get a debug build, you have to do something to prevent strip from being run when you install

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sphery:

but I don't remember what that something is (but it's something Gentoo/emerge specific)

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SQlvpapir:

damn its the same thing.. have to create the db manually :/ "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)"

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iamlindoro_:

Not manually, using the mc.sql script included in the source

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sphery:

and if you don't use mc.sql, you're likely to get a database that won't upgrade properly

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** iamlindoro_ struggles to understand why director and cast are not exposed by programinfo **

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: pretty sure it's public decency laws or something

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meshe:

hehe

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Ah, it *is* a roman polanski movie...

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sphery:

good thing, then

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iamlindoro_:

highbrow humor +1!

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iamlindoro_:

Ah hmm, it seems programinfo only presents information from recorded... wonder if it's acceptable to add a second query that pulls in the information from recordedcredits

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meshe:

i'm upgrading a myth box this weekend, it's running mythbuntu 7.xx any idea if there is recent version/dist that doesn't have the remote/keystroke lockup issue?

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meshe:

i don't want to introduce my parents to that problem, would it be preferable to leave it at 7.xx and just install the latest 0.21-fixes?

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iamlindoro_:

I don't think we heard about it on 8.04

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iamlindoro_:

8.10 seems to be about when it started cropping up

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meshe:

i thought i had heard otherwise from sphery (could be wrong)

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iamlindoro_:

I don't seem to remembet us hearing about it for a whole year, but he's been tracking it closer than I have

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meshe:

if it's not in 8.04 i'll downgrade my home myth installs since its an LTS release

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dubstar_04:

dos anyone know anything about the happauge wintv usb?

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sphery:

meshe: I think the latest theory is that in -fixes it's people not configuring nvidia drivers with UseEvents enabled...

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meshe:

oh? hmmm

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sphery:

or perhaps I should say that's /my/ latest theory. :)

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logik:

meshe: i'm running 8.10 and haven't experienced the problem... i do use UseEvents true

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meshe:

due to network issues at home and being at work, i can't see if i'm using it or not, but i'm running 8.10 and do experience the issue

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meshe:

my xorg.conf has been dragged forward from 6.xx and modified by nvida-settings

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logik:

just curious so i can look out for it happening... when does this occur the most?

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logik:

livetv, etc?

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meshe:

playing video ie: tv, mythvideo

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meshe:

recordings

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logik:

k, thanks

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sphery:

for a long time, UseEvents was helpful, but on most systems didn't cause problems if not enabled. In recent drivers, it seems almost mandatory.

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logik:

keep in mind that the next release will most likely require Qt4.4.x or newer and 8.04 has Qt4.3.x

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** meshe tries to find out what UseEvents does **

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logik:

8.04 has a backports for Qt4.4.0 but it had issues for me

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sphery:

meshe: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . endix-b.html

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meshe:

i'm guessing that the next release will be after Jaunty

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sphery:

(don't think the description has changed in any recent README's)

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meshe:

thanks sphery

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logik:

good point

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: regarding the performance, even though I have a 700-recording backlog, I won't be the one complaining about issues... Some people seem to have very broken (=slow) MySQL configurations (which I'm thinking are distro defaults on some distros).

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Hmm... guess there's no alternative but to try and see how it goes

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iamlindoro_:

IMO it's one of those things that ought to be accessible via programinfo

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: In fact, I think programinfo should expose just about everything

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sphery:

how long is a typical cast list (# of names, that is)?

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Well it's cast/director/producers/guests/etc. but I am seeing about 20–25 names at most for a movie, 3–5 for a Daily Show ep, etc.

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iamlindoro_:

I think 20–25 bet is probably a safe bet for most cases as a max

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meshe:

sphery: that actually makes sense by by their description of what it is, if X goes into a loop waiting for hardware, i could see calls to it get queued, and the issue in trunk was fixed by fixing how the scrensaver pokes were dealt with

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meshe:

most dists (at least redhat and ubuntu) configure mysql based on the system configuration at install, even if you add more memory, mysql won't know it can use it unless you reconfigure it

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sphery:

yeah, (though more accurately, how the X locking was dealt with--just happened to be in a section of code dealing with screensaver)

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meshe:

ahhh, i guess i just skimmed the patch, it looked like it was the screensaver poke that got changed, which could also get queued if X is busy

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: yeah, on my system, I seem to have an average of 7.625 people in the cast list for the (1/3 of the) programs (that have cast lists).

[16:56:08]

RyeBrye:

Has anyone here tried using a homebrew IR-audio lirc setup? http://lirc.org/ir-audio.html ?

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I must admit to ignorance w/r/t how that would relate to performance/lack thereof

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RyeBrye:

I don't use my audio input on my upstairs mythbox for anything, and it doesn't have any com ports – this looks like a much cheaper way to get lirc working than a usb uirt

[16:59:25]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: it was meant to say I don't think there would be a performance issue on anything other than already-underpowered systems.

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sphery:

the join will slow things down a bit, but that may actually get someone motivated to fix the "reload the recordings list all the time" performance issue (the real issue)

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sphery:

but at the time the cast stuff was put in, since it was only being used by details, it probably seemed more appropriate to put it only in details.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Ah, sounds good-- there's lots of good info to be had: http://rafb.net/p/mTXIWt13.html

[17:01:16]

sphery:

RyeBrye: it sounds like a good way of doing it.

[17:01:33]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, I might try rigging something up later – maybe this weekend if I get time

[17:01:46]

RyeBrye:

If it doesn't work it's not like I'd be out that much

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: may also make the people search easier (thoug I haven't looked at people search)

[17:02:46]

sphery:

yeah, you could always use the parts in a lirc serial receiver if it doesn't work

[17:03:02]

sphery:

RyeBrye: but your system doesn't even have a com header?

[17:03:33]

sphery:

my biggest complain with that reciever is that it can't be a transceiver...

[17:03:37]

RyeBrye:

sphery: I don't think it does – it's an old dev machine

[17:03:51]

RyeBrye:

er old dell machine

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RyeBrye:

They don't seem to put much extra stuff on their motherboards

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sphery:

hmmm

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RyeBrye:

I got the computer for free

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JEDIDIAH__:

as far as the "reload the recordings list" problem goes. perhaps "candidates" should be computed when the relevant data actually changes rather than pretty much constantly.

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JEDIDIAH__:

compute and store when rules change or the schedule changes.

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: that's the plan, just need you to do it...

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JEDIDIAH__:

reading that code gives me a headache.

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sphery:

it's a lot of work as it requires adding events for all the different types of changes... currently the only one done that way is delete

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JEDIDIAH__:

yes, certainly the sort of thing you want rookie patches for...

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dubstar_04:

has anyone ever used a hauppauge wintv usb?

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RyeBrye:

is aspect oriented programming not very popular with c++ stuff? it would seem that is a crosscutting concern that could be handled pretty well using an aspect and defining the pointcuts

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RyeBrye:

hmm... nevermind. I just looked at aspectC++ and it looks like a major PITA to do

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RyeBrye:

although the slides here explain it pretty well: http://www.aspectc.org/fileadmin/publications . . . -tut-2x2.pdf

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meshe:

dubstar_04: is this what you're asking about: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_WinTV-USB2

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kusznir:

HI all: I recently rebuilt my myth system and tried setting up mythwelcome for auto-wakeup and recording.

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kusznir:

I'm currently having problems where the system doesn't manage to record anything when it was asleep. My observations so far have been that it wakes up at the appointed time, says its about to record, briefly says its recording, then goes away and says its idle again.

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sphery:

kusznir: look for error messages in the backend log... likely the recording(s) fail)s( so it /is/ idle again

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kusznir:

looking now....

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dubstar_04:

meshe: i think i have the earlier one

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dubstar_04:

it works with mplayer but noth myth

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clever:

*** glibc detected *** mythbackend: corrupted double-linked list: 0x081c5980 ***

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clever:

:S

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iamlindoro_:

/join #clevers-error-messages

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iamlindoro_:

oh wait, I'm already there

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iamlindoro_:

STFU

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clever:

lol:P

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antiPosix:

xris: Is the new website built ontop of a CMS that is available?

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dustybin:

[2404948.189956] mythbackend[3764]: segfault at 54e6db68 ip b5b1eea9 sp ac7fce54 error 4 in libc-2.7.so[b5ab0000+155000]

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dustybin:

anybody know what might be causing that?

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qcjn:

is it simple to install it, or i must prepare for hardwork...i m still quite a newbie ?

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SQlvpapir:

anyone in here running myth front+backend on a debian squeeze box?

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sphery:

dustybin: would require a real backtrace to determine: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging + http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin: It's a segfault, you'd need to compile with debug symbols and get a backtrace, like in the manual

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qcjn:

my card works "mplayer /dev/video0" and i manage to record with "cat /dev/video0 > program.mpg"

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sphery:

I win! 1 second sooner...

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: not here you don't :

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iamlindoro_:

:)

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dustybin:

shadash iamlindoro_ aye ok thanks

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iamlindoro_:

qcjn: If you are not very experienced with linux, you might find myth very difficult-- I would recommend a myth distro like mythbuntu or mythdora or linHES if that's the case

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dustybin:

monit keeps on restarting my backend quite frequently, i wonder if monit is messing it up

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iamlindoro_:

well monit won't segfault your backend

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qcjn:

iamlindoro: thanks

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sphery:

qcjn: installing and configuring MythTV is not like using the InstallShield wizard to install new software on Windows, but if you really want a MythTV system, it's worth the effort involved

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dustybin:

ok

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sphery:

qcjn: and if you use something like MythBuntu or MythDora, it's not too hard to learn

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iamlindoro_:

I win! Multiple seconds sooner

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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sphery:

yeah, got me on that one

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sphery:

qcjn: but if you just want a PVR, likely a cable/satellite company provided DVR or even a TiVo is much cheaper (when factoring in actual cost /and/ time).

[18:52:20]

sphery:

qcjn: If you want a hobby, though, Myth is the way to go. :)

[18:52:43]

qcjn:

sphery: would you direct me to where to start...i have a pvr win150..Using Ubuntu 8.04

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qcjn:

well i like to learn

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sphery:

qcjn: I'd start with http://mythbuntu.org/

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qcjn:

ok thanks

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qcjn:

have a nice day

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sphery:

good luck

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qcjn:

thanks

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sphery:

dustybin: if you do install debug packages for your distro, it would be /wonderful/ if you were to update the wiki page to describe how...

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sphery:

dustybin: if you're Ubuntu, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/373816#373816 might help

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JEDIDIAH__:

If any Tivo could record as much as my MythTV setup, I would use it.

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JEDIDIAH__:

I doubt if I could replicate my mythvideo setup with a Tivo or DirecTV PVR.

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logik:

the newer models have eSATA so go for it

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logik:

or are you refering to multiple tuners

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: right, so, obviously, you don't "just want a PVR"

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wagnerrp:

didnt replaytv offer network sharing between units?

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sphery:

I think they did

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sphery:

are they gone, now?

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logik:

i think they no longer sell hardware

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wagnerrp:

their owner went bankrupt in 2003

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sphery:

would explain why I haven't heard of them in forever

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wagnerrp:

the subsequent owner stopped producing in 2005

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sphery:

"ReplayTV is now a part of the DIRECTV family"

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sphery:

http://www.replaytv.com/

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Dagmar:

...and the lawsuits are projected to stop sometime in Q3 of 2012.

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sphery:

lawsuits from "lifetime" subscribers?

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logik:

what are they getting sued for?

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Dagmar:

"The industry" has a problem with companies who give customers what they want.

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Dagmar:

They got sued for literally everything you could think of.

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JEDIDIAH__:

My older Tivos got me used to more recording capacity than modern Tivos with HD and no transcoding capacity can handle.

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sphery:

Dagmar: Y'eah, "the industry" is suing redbox for renting videos for too little money--it's unfair to traditional rental companies like BlockBuster and Hollywood Video and ...

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JEDIDIAH__:

HD really kneecaps a box in terms of how many hours it can recod.

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JEDIDIAH__:

HD really kneecaps a box in terms of how many hours it can record.

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Dagmar:

They were one of the first people to be sued for a commercial skip button. They had an injunction placed against them at the last minute that meant they had to ship their units with a remote that had a button for it, but disabled.

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sphery:

nice

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Dagmar:

...but since the people at Replay are stubborn bastards, the moment you plugged it in, you got a new "feature" which used that button, which was a 30 second skip which would adjust itself accordingly under certain circumstances

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Dagmar:

They got sued for violating copyrights because you were allowed to use your home network to access the recordings.

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Dagmar:

Hell, they probably got sued for using vowels in their product documentation

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Dagmar:

I know they actually had a lawsuit lobbed at them because after they were injected against a bunch of shit, they didn't get the advertising people caught up, so they got sued for false advertising even

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wagnerrp:

was sending video over the network somehow rebroadcasting the content?

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wagnerrp:

seems it had a 'send show', which could send to *any* unit, network or internet

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JEDIDIAH__:

yeah, that's sort of a "kick me" sign.

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logik:

apparently replaytv still has enough paying subscribers to still provide listings data

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wagnerrp:

except for the fact that in 1999, sending tv over the internet was still rather painful

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wagnerrp:

oh, they do have local stream capability as well

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Dubstar_04:

what hardware would you recommend for capturing vhs to disk?

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wagnerrp:

same hardware for capturing tv to disk

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wagnerrp:

an ivtv card

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logik:

i used a pvr-250

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Dubstar_04:

pvr-250? whats the resolution like?

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wagnerrp:

unless these are home videos, you may just want to look into re-purchasing the movie

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logik:

you can set the capture to be DVD compatible so no transcoding required

[19:39:31]

logik:

704x480 or 720x480 and it looks decent

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sphery:

Dubstar_04: I'd recommend just re-buying the videos on DVD or better or re-creating the recordings with a good digital camcorder (ideally HDTV)... If they're old home movies, just hire some actors...

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Dubstar_04:

they are old home movies and its for a family friend

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sphery:

Dubstar_04: the resolution of the PVR-250 isn't the problem... The resolution of the VHS is far worse.

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logik:

yes... the only reason i used 720x480 was to be DVD compatible

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iamlindoro_:

http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/when_reality_meets_product_concepts/

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Dubstar_04:

are there any external cards that work?

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iamlindoro_:

The PVR-USB2 is basically a PVR-150 via USB, that would work

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sphery:

drivers for Linux?

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iamlindoro_:

ivtv

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iamlindoro_:

well, close to it anyway

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logik:

i actually just set-up mythtv to record the s-video input, manually started the recording and then changed the title of the recording

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: nice on the You-SB drive

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iamlindoro_:

I know the HD-PVR driver was originally modeled after the PVR-USB2 driver so I know it exists :)

[19:42:55]

logik:

then used mytharchive to burn the DVDs

[19:42:56]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Dude, that is gross

[19:43:23]

iamlindoro_:

Yeah, it's gross-- he'll feel silly when USB is deprecated

[19:43:26]

sphery:

I wonder if the memory is upgradable

[19:43:33]

iamlindoro_:

just like my RS-232 toe

[19:43:50]

sphery:

It would suck to only have a 512MB finger when everyone else has 16GB or better...

[19:44:51]

Dubstar_04:

is this the right one? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . nk:middle:uk

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iamlindoro_:

looks like

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JEDIDIAH__:

...and on the subject "more than just a PVR": it was the stock S2 Tivo that whetted my appetite for "more than just a PVR" functions.

[19:50:37]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Not to mention typing with only one hand because your other hand is plugged into the PC

[19:51:00]

JEDIDIAH__:

why type if you're "jacked in"?

[19:51:02]

clever:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jerry_jalava/334 . . . 15074278472/

[19:51:13]

clever:

if you look over the images youll see the finger is removable

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iamlindoro_:

so was the original finger, apparently

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JEDIDIAH__:

Curse you Tivo for having mediocre HMO features and a poor relationship with DirecTV!

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: yeah, I started to type that, but then figured, well, it must be a removeable prosthetic...

[19:54:22]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: I knew it was removable, I was being silly, but of course #mythtv-users obtuseness strikes again

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sphery:

sorry... I was obtuse.

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iamlindoro_:

not you ;)

[19:55:23]

JEDIDIAH__:

...at least you're not square.

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sphery:

Funny how often I'm called an abtuse guy and how seldom I'm called acute guy

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sphery:

s/abtuse/obtuse/

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sphery:

(little geometry humor, there)

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JEDIDIAH__:

It doesn't work if you have to explain it.

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iamlindoro_:

that was asymptotally hilarious

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Dagmar:

Yeah, there's a reason you guys are spending a lot of time in front of computers instead of being dragged away by naked women

[19:57:53]

iamlindoro_:

Because it's 1 PM and I'm at work and I don't work in a brothel?

[19:58:11]

iamlindoro_:

and, I should not, *you're* here too.

[19:58:14]

iamlindoro_:

s/not/note/

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Dagmar:

I'm at work to pay for the apartment where I keep mine

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iamlindoro_:

Then I suppose you should presume that the same is true for all of us, shouldn't you?

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Dagmar:

Not going by those "jokes" I wouldn't.

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** mag0o got the geometry joke **

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iamlindoro_:

Going by your general behavior and demeanor, I'm not convinced of your wooing capabilities either, champ

[20:01:14]

iamlindoro_:

but then, who knows, your plan may involve duct tape and rigorous soundproofing

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Dubstar_04:

ha ha

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JEDIDIAH__:

there's someone for everyone... the trick is knowing where to look and avoiding too much "trying to mate outside your own species"

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JEDIDIAH__:

duct tape and rigorous soundproofing may end up being just the thing....

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sphery:

It worked for MacGuyver

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Dubstar_04:

vodka, Rohypnol, and a disclaimer works for me...

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JEDIDIAH__:

vodka is more than enough by itself.

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SQlvpapir:

anyone in here running myth front+backend on a debian squeeze box?

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iamlindoro_:

How in the world would one run the frontend on a squeezebox?

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iamlindoro_:

even running the backend on one would be practically useless

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bulle:

mythweb streaming module cant find my recordings, says something along the lines of it cant find the recording in any recording group, but the recording is ok, and shows upp in other parts of mythweb

[20:11:36]

bulle:

apached log doesnt say anything

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SQlvpapir:

iamlindoro squeeze is the new testing

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bulle:

i assume i somehow need to tell the streaming module where to find the recordings, but how ?

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iamlindoro_:

ahhhh

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iamlindoro_:

will need to get used to that

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jams:

iamlindoro_- i thought the same thing

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iamlindoro_:

since a squeeze box is something different entirely

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AndyCap:

best not to use squeeze and box then, :) just debian squeeze or squeeze machine

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AndyCap:

though controlling myth from squeezebox duet would be cool. :P

[20:13:48]

SQlvpapir:

heh ok :)

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bulle:

no mythweb clues ?

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sphery:

heh, "squeeze machine"

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SQlvpapir:

I'd like to hear from someone using the debian-multimedia as source for myth though :)

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bulle:

ping ?

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Dagmar:

No.

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Dagmar:

Try /ping bulle

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bulle:

a simple pong reply would have been enouugh !

[20:16:28]

bulle:

but thanks

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iamlindoro_:

debian-multimedia has a fair number of broken compile options and the maintainer refuses to fix them

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iamlindoro_:

so IMO not the perfect myth platform at the moment, but can still be made to work

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JEDIDIAH__:

like apt? Want MythTV? use Ubuntu.

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sphery:

or (better) MythBuntu

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SQlvpapir:

iamlindoro ok Im just gonna go ahead and compile it myself

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JEDIDIAH__:

due to the spiffiness of apt, U/myth/buntu are effectively the same thing.

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SQlvpapir:

no reason to go to even more b0rked for base repos sphery and JEDIDIAH__

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** JEDIDIAH__ only gets serious problems when he goes to trunk. **

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iamlindoro_:

SQlvpapir: Yeah, just don't borrow the build rules from deb-multimedia

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SQlvpapir:

iamlindoro yeah makes sense to avoid them ;)

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jedix_:

is there a distro to boot off usb and run in ramdisk with myht?

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Dagmar:

No.

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hads:

There isn't?

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SQlvpapir:

Dagmar: iirc there is some frontends that can be booted directly

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hads:

Minimyth comes to mind

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Josh_Borke:

mythdora can run a livecd

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SQlvpapir:

Josh_Borke: also for backend?

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jedix_:

thanks

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Josh_Borke:

yea

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termlink:

reading through the wiki I can't find a way to record another source, I have 2 tuner cards in one backend i get input from both of them if I hit Y while watching tv it switches between them, but when I go to make a recording, it only shows the first set of channels

[21:15:35]

termlink:

is there a way to just merge all the channels to one list?

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kormoc:

They should be merged

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termlink:

they just overlap to the same channel numbers

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fnc:

anyone familair with mythbuntu? everytime i change the interface to a static ip it goes back to dhcp??

[21:18:51]

kormoc:

they collapse by callsign or channel number I believe

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Dagmar:

fnc: Are you running it from the cdrom still?

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termlink:

fnc: mine does that too

[21:19:12]

fnc:

nope

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Dagmar:

File a bug with them then

[21:19:21]

fnc:

installed it to hdd, removed cd and rebooted

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termlink:

termlink: you may just have to manually add something to the config file

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termlink:

fnc: *

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termlink:

for the nic

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meshe:

fnc: or set a static ip for your mythbuntu's mac address in your router

[21:23:13]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

But it's not a Mac, it's a PC! <sorry, couldn't resist... ;-) >

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meshe:

fnc: here's how to configure a local static ip: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-ne . . . rfaces-file/

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fnc:

someone remind me what file its in

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** meshe points up **

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meshe:

also typing: man interfaces

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meshe:

brings up the local docs

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fnc:

yeah.. sorry.. thanks.. hit enter right after you did ;)

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Dagmar:

So how is *that* supposed to be arrogant?

[21:33:08]

Dagmar:

wrong chan

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meshe:

lol

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meshe:

no problem fnc

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termlink:

tried changing channum of the channel numbers for the 2nd to see if it would show up with out changing sources, with no luck, which part would you need to edit so they aren't the same number channum, clalsign, freqid, finetune?

[21:43:25]

meshe:

if they are the same channels why do you want to break them out, set a recording and it will pick the available tuner if it can use both for that channel

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: So, the thread you've been waiting for on -users list: Going to add HD--anyone with the WD "green" sata drive?

[21:45:07]

sphery:

termlink: meshe is right... Myth is told that a channel is the same based on callsign. If the callsign is identical, any "this channel" rules (which you probably shouldn't use, anyway, but that's a different story) will look on any channel with the same callsign.

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sphery:

(regardless of channel number or channel name)

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termlink:

hmm, that makes sense

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clever:

why shouldnt you use a "this channel" rule?

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sphery:

termlink: however, if you're saying that if you have 2 shows recording, and only the first capture card can be used and the other has a conflict, that's http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 (i.e. only LiveTV works for the input)

[21:46:22]

sphery:

clever: because there's no reason to...

[21:46:34]

sphery:

Why do you care which channel it comes from? If you want the show, record it.

[21:46:49]

sid3windr:

well, no

[21:46:55]

sid3windr:

that makes no sense

[21:46:56]

sid3windr:

:p

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meshe:

i get the same network on chan 6 and 16 and 16 is a much higher quality

[21:46:58]

sphery:

If you have lower-quality channels, ensure they're not the first to be used by properly configuring your system

[21:47:17]

sid3windr:

"this show" airs on 2 different channels, but one is 3 seasons behind on the other

[21:47:28]

sid3windr:

(for example, real life example too)

[21:47:44]

sid3windr:

so things like "record one episode every week" or whatever are rarely what you want ;)

[21:47:57]

sphery:

If you're saying, "I'd rather completely miss this episode than watch it in the garbage quality I get from this other channel", then why do you even have the other channel in your list

[21:48:01]

clever:

im giving each 'this channel' rule a diff prio, so the current season will take prio over reruns

[21:48:18]

sphery:

and, for The Simpsons, etc, teaching Myth that you've seen the episodes from 3 seasons ago is a /much/ better idea

[21:48:19]

meshe:

you can lower the priority?

[21:48:32]

sphery:

but, really, if you just want the new ones, set a "New episodes only" filter on the rule

[21:48:32]

meshe:

of a channel i mean?

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sphery:

and /still/ leave it an any channel rule :)

[21:48:40]

clever:

meshe: you can edit the prio of channels, tuners, and rules

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sid3windr:

sphery: how does it know it's a rerun?

[21:48:53]

meshe:

hmmm, never dug into that

[21:48:58]

sid3windr:

or rather, not one

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clever:

sphery: what if i want new&old, but want it to choose new > old when theres a conflict?

[21:49:09]

meshe:

SD tells you

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sid3windr:

sd is useless

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sphery:

but you really shouldn't edit the priority of inputs (what was called tuners), and should be /very/ careful when editing the priority of channels

[21:49:25]

sid3windr:

[to me]

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sphery:

anyone editing priority of inputs or channels should read section 12.6 of the HOWTO

[21:49:38]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html#ss12.6

[21:49:41]

meshe:

noted

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** sphery is obsessive about doing it right :) **

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clever:

sphery: i turned the bttv input prio way down because the tuner in it sucks!

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sid3windr:

don't all bttv cards? :P

[21:50:19]

meshe:

is there a blacklist priority?

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clever:

sid3windr: i think its the tuner, not the capture

[21:50:33]

clever:

im feeding it a raw coax line

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sid3windr:

as opposed to... a cooked one?

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sphery:

Most scheduler "problems" people see are due to the fact that they messed with priorities and told Myth to do something they didn't realize they were doing (i.e. record this OK show on this garbage input and don't record the better show, then the better show doesn't re-run and they miss it)

[21:50:58]

clever:

a proper external tuner

[21:51:15]

clever:

sid3windr: even the 'tuner' in the pvr-150 is poor quality and is helped greated by an external tuner

[21:51:34]

sphery:

clever: that's not so much the "tuner" that's the problem

[21:51:38]

sphery:

It's NTSC that's the problem

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sid3windr:

:)

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sphery:

the external tuner is usually using a digital feed

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clever:

sphery: the rogers cable box can also tune analog channels, but i think they have started to duplicate the low channels with digital feeds

[21:52:26]

sphery:

I.e. plug a VCR that's outputting on S-Video into your PVR-x50 and record some TV through the VCR's tuner and it's not the same as using an STB

[21:52:33]

sid3windr:

sphery: does this perhaps indicate the scheduling could be made a little more "noob" friendly? ;)

[21:52:47]

sid3windr:

iirc in mythweb there's like 12 radiobuttons, and if you click advanced 2 more ;)

[21:52:57]

sphery:

sid3windr: scheduling works great as long as you don't mess with things you don't understand :)

[21:53:06]

sid3windr:

then again... most users will easily click "gimme advanced" and still mess up =)

[21:53:10]

sid3windr:

yeah.

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termlink:

is there a command line way of editing the backend, or does it alway have to use that gui?

[21:53:15]

sphery:

and Myth has a more advanced scheduler than any DVR I know of, so I'd haate to lose that

[21:53:27]

clever:

my current problem is that schedules direct caught up with the massive lineup changes

[21:53:28]

sid3windr:

yeah, I don't say tune it down, just hide some of the stuff

[21:53:29]

meshe:

n00b settings and advanced settings, IQ test to open the advanced settings

[21:53:31]

meshe:

;)

[21:53:33]

sid3windr:

or set an expert flag somewhere :>

[21:53:37]

clever:

so ive for 50 dead channels that myth keeps trying to record from

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sphery:

sid3windr: yeah, that too... Only an advanced user is smart enough to realize when he's not an advanced user. :)

[21:53:54]

clever:

half of them are HD duplicates of others that just display an error

[21:54:28]

sphery:

clever: sounds like you're in need of some SD lineup pruning and Myth DB pruning (in channel editor)

[21:54:34]

clever:

yeah

[21:54:41]

clever:

i do that ever time i find a dead recording

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sphery:

it is annoying when they change things around and you have to redo that stuff...

[21:55:29]

sphery:

yeah, I've been lucky that all my dead recordings have been ones I didn't care about (i.e. movies being shown OTA by 3rd-rate independent stations that can't even afford B movies :)

[21:55:45]

clever:

its often prefering a dead channel over a valid one

[21:55:47]

sphery:

when I find one, though, it usually requires a rescan

[21:55:56]

clever:

so i have to manualy verify the channels when resolving conflicts

[21:56:43]

clever:

would be usefull if mythbackend could detect a lack of movement(1 static image) durring capture and give a warning

[21:56:51]

meshe:

can a rescan be desctructive?

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sphery:

meshe: it can cause issues...

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meshe:

clever: no recordings of hypnotoad?

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sphery:

I always just do a Delete all video sources when I rescan as it's the most-likely to succeed approach

[21:57:40]

clever:

meshe: none that i remember:P

[21:57:46]

sphery:

Rather than try it the "quick" way, I take an extra 30 seconds to do it the hard way. :)

[21:57:57]

meshe:

so would you lose all of your scheduled recordings if you delete all video sources?

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sphery:

I heard that due to the unexpected popularity of the Futurama DVD's, they might bring the series back...

[21:58:43]

sphery:

I hope...

[21:58:46]

meshe:

heh

[21:59:15]

meshe:

Firefly, Firefly, Firefly *goes to buy a dozen copies of the DVD set*

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sphery:

I'll buy a couple dozen more...

[22:00:01]

sphery:

After all, Joss will need something to do after Fox cancels Dollhouse.

[22:00:08]

meshe:

add Dead Like Me to that

[22:00:31]

sphery:

Only because I haven't yet seen DLM, I'll be putting Pushing Daisies in my cart, first.

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meshe:

buy/record DLM, you will be hooked, at least it's 2 seasons

[22:01:12]

sphery:

yeah...

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meshe:

pushing daisies I need to catch up on, i only have the first 6 eps

[22:01:28]

sphery:

I've been told. I have to get through some of my backlog, first.

[22:01:48]

sphery:

I have the ones they aired of this season. I've heard there are 3 more that are likely to be run during the summer.

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sphery:

(that's Daisies that I have)

[22:03:05]

** meshe nods **

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meshe:

i need to catch up on Knight Rider, i think i missed a couple eps during our move

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Dagmar:

That reminds me, I've not tried pouring scrubbing cleaner into my eyes in awhile

[22:04:27]

sphery:

heh

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meshe:

haha, i know this chan is a bit anti-KR

[22:04:57]

Dagmar:

Because now we DO have cars that talk

[22:05:04]

Dagmar:

....and that one on TV is just bullshit.

[22:05:05]

sphery:

I saw the movie that started the new series and felt I had done enough charity for them :)

[22:05:07]

meshe:

we watched all 4 seasons of the original series before the new one started

[22:05:30]

sphery:

meshe: who's the bigger fan, you or him?

[22:05:55]

meshe:

my husband wants to build a replica of the original KITT, answer your question?

[22:06:05]

kormoc:

I loved the video of the new KR car that was stolen

[22:06:06]

sphery:

I think I can guess, now.

[22:06:17]

sphery:

it got stolen?

[22:06:23]

Dagmar:

You know that commercial for the elderly where the guy is driving around with a bag phone in a Gremlin?

[22:06:32]

Dagmar:

Your husband is about to become *that guy*.

[22:07:01]

meshe:

i did really enjoy the original series, and the new one started out not so great, but it did start getting better

[22:07:12]

meshe:

i haven't seen any since they did the big rework of the show

[22:07:34]

Dagmar:

You can add as much strawberry flavoring to cowshit as you like, I still won't eat it.

[22:07:54]

meshe:

Dagmar: whatever makes him happy, if he wants a KITT, we'll build him one

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Dagmar:

I know what I could say to break *that* argument, but I'm not feeling quite that misanthopic today

[22:08:34]

Dagmar:

er misantrhopic

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meshe:

hehe

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Dagmar:

...but with better spelling.

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Dagmar:

oUI?

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meshe:

?

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Dagmar:

Wrong channel

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meshe:

using BX?

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kormoc:

meshe, ooh, what a lucky man he is to have a wife that not only doesn't mind, but encourages such things (buidling of a kitt car...)

[22:14:46]

kormoc:

meshe, can't tell by the attitude? :P

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meshe:

i'll probably end up writing the software for it too

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meshe:

heh

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meshe:

i'd rather telnet to the irc server than use BX

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Dagmar:

'Been there, done that.

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Dagmar:

BitchX is still easier

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meshe:

been there, done that too, wrote the chatbot, irssi smokes BX

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AndyCap:

you mean you don't like typing pong all the time?

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Dagmar:

It's certainly better than having to run multiple programs just to get on IRC

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AndyCap:

Dagmar: haha, I don't see how you can escape taht

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AndyCap:

maybe if menuetos has irc support

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Dagmar:

Easy. BitchX == 1 process. irssi == multiple processes

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** AndyCap only counts one. **

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Dagmar:

They've converted it to run entirely in perl without the C part then?

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AndyCap:

I can't say I use the perl part

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AndyCap:

I used to before it got recode support

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Dagmar:

At any rate, I used BitchX and ircII throughout the 90's to keep channels on EFnet under control

[22:25:24]

Dagmar:

I should damn well say it's sturdy enough

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AndyCap:

yeah, they've been around the block.

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kusznir:

OK, through a series of experiments and log-reading, I've finally isolated what was happening with my myth-fails-to-record-after-wakeup-sometimes problem.

[22:30:02]

kusznir:

It appears that my channel change script (sony.pl, downloaded years ago for talking to sony/hughs directv receivers via serial) fails sometimes.

[22:30:45]

kusznir:

It only happens after myth "wakes up" (turns on and boots up) to do a recording, and only sometimes. The system is configured to turn on 2 minutes prior to recording, and is usually up and ready in about 30 seconds.

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kusznir:

I did notice on this occasion that something (mythwelcome?) started an EPG update as soon as it came up (second time today...), and that was running when the reconrding was supposed to start.

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RyeBrye:

wake up earlier before recordings?

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sphery:

kusznir: the backend runs mythfilldatabase... it's now set to do so on startup if it missed one or more updates while sleeping because people doing the shutdown/wakeup thing complained they weren't getting updates.

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kusznir:

ok. will it also run mythfilldb whenever someone edits something in mythtv-setup? Its now run mythfilldb 3 times in the last 6 hours.

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Dagmar:

If it's run it that many times it's because you've done something "special" instead of just setting the checkbox that tells mythbackend to call it once a day or so

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dubstar_04:

have you seen this yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLzdLOO3sYI&fmt=22

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Dagmar:

XBMC == teh gey

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dubstar_04:

you must admit that skin is slick

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at0m:

dubstar_04, looks amazing indeed

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at0m:

i've seen worse mythtv demo's ;)

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Dagmar:

dubstar_04: Not really

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dubstar_04:

ah well, different strokes for different blokes and all that...

[23:19:38]

Dagmar:

I'll stick with not owning an xbox

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termlink:

ls

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J-e-f-f-A:

I hate to admit this, but the scrolling effects on that xbmc theme are beautiful...

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dubstar_04:

there is nothing wrong with complimenting someone else's work...

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hads:

XBMC is not just for Xbox

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J-e-f-f-A:

dubstar_04: I know, it's just that xbmc is a touchy subject here. ;-)

[23:29:36]

termlink:

boxee is based off xmbc I think, its a pretty good simple media center thing

[23:29:46]

hads:

Yes it is based on XBMC

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SQlvpapir:

libqt4-dev is all the qt4 I need for compiling myth?

[23:31:42]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, It's only a touchy subject when their "staff" want to come in and behave like silly babies

[23:32:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Ah, ok. ;-) Yeah, like the other day (yesterday?)

[23:32:32]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, They have a *lot* of nice UI stuff-- I personally am satisfied with where trunk's UI is at, and very optimistic about where it's going, so I'm not worried about Myth's UI in the slightest

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Yeah, we'll get there. ;-) trunk is an order of magnitude better than what we had before. ;-)

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dubstar_04:

xbmc is nice and filled with eye candy but its far from perfect

[23:33:57]

** lyricnz wishes mythtv was filled with eye candy :( **

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iamlindoro:

myth trunk *is* filled with eye candy

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iamlindoro:

when using the right theme, that is

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dustybin:

check out my new tshirt: http://www.worldbeyond.net/me.jpg

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lyricnz:

Yeah, but WAF of bleeding edge code, is even lower than normal mythtv (lowish)

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hads:

You're doing it wrong

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iamlindoro:

I don't suggest that trunk be used to increase WAF-- but you didn't complain about WAF, you complained about eye candy

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dubstar_04:

my mythbox has a 10+ waf

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dubstar_04:

any news on mythmusic ui?

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