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| [00:00:58] | sphery: | and ampersands |
| [00:02:17] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, The need to constantly mount and unmount My Mythvideo stuff before scanning is driving me crazy-- thoughts on adding an exception to the scan code to not add something that's the same as the SG path + filename? |
| [00:02:57] | sphery: | definitely using tmdb... "Could not find tmdb.xml..." (seems to occur the first time you search for a movie when the movie doesn't exist in tmdb's database) |
| [00:05:07] | sphery: | Hmmm... Actually, I think that's when you don't get a response (i.e. name servers too slow or whatever) |
| [00:05:11] | sphery: | Will have to patch. |
| [00:05:27] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, that way it would not add that one, but would add the SG version of it |
| [00:07:44] | wagnerrp: | im having some trouble with the tmdb script, and duplicate entries on TMDB |
| [00:08:04] | wagnerrp: | is it worth altering the script to work with these, or just not bother and get an admin to delete the duplicates? |
| [00:08:12] | iamlindoro: | Greyfoxx, Or even better, if the GetSetting value exists *and* there is a storage group, ignore the getsetting |
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| [00:15:33] | pembo13_com: | so where do i send wiki corrections? |
| [00:15:40] | wagnerrp: | ... the wiki |
| [00:15:50] | wagnerrp: | make an account, edit the page |
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| [00:21:37] | pembo13_com: | wagnerrp, cool |
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| [00:23:27] | dashs: | I'ze in a loop. Backend config. I have my lineups on SD, but mythtv won't load the channels. Is there a way ou? |
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| [00:27:55] | ** iamlindoro backs up the DB and does dangerous things ** | |
| [00:28:08] | iamlindoro: | YES! |
| [00:28:27] | iamlindoro: | I love it when I don't kill things! |
| [00:28:47] | iamlindoro: | AND it solves the "video home" issue |
| [00:29:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6123 and http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6264 |
| [00:29:49] | wagnerrp: | sphery: sounds like the best solution |
| [00:31:08] | sphery: | iamlindoro: how are you checking for the existence of an SG? There's really no good clean way to do it, now, and we need one. |
| [00:31:13] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, OK, here we go-- Have a patch that, if there's a video storage group, only scans that and leaves the legacy dir alone. |
| [00:31:15] | wagnerrp: | no sense making a workaround for something else being broken... |
| [00:32:31] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, Here's my gameplan, tell me what you think-- This, combined with a check when the video storage group is created searching for legacy dir and doing something like "We are going to create a Video Storage Group-- if you proceed, all your existing records will be converted to use this storage group. Is this okay?" |
| [00:32:37] | iamlindoro: | sphery, hang on, will pastebin patch |
| [00:32:56] | sphery: | yeah, cleaning up tmdb is best, but I understand the frustration of users (and I know that users will blame Myth for errors due to dups in tmdb). |
| [00:33:34] | sphery: | wagnerrp: if you're really interested in it, you may be able to take the broken patches that paul uploaded on #6264 and fix them/upload them |
| [00:33:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: he "fixed" the issue in there. |
| [00:34:10] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Actually, the patch is non-informative-- I move the QStringlist for storage group dirs before the QStringlist for local dirs-- if the stringlist is non-empty at the end of the hunt, it returns the storage group list. If it's empty, it proceeds and creates the dir list from the lcoal setting |
| [00:34:26] | iamlindoro: | sphery, looks like this: http://rafb.net/p/1EUJ8J98.html |
| [00:34:34] | wagnerrp: | well i tried 'fixing' it last night, but i lack knowledge of perl, and very quickly ran into scope issues when trying to define variables inside a if statement |
| [00:34:46] | iamlindoro: | sphery, allows me to have the movie dirf locally mounted, but not to have it scan and add second copies of everything |
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| [00:35:11] | wagnerrp: | sphery: plus the '-d' and '-r' options dont seem to be functional either |
| [00:35:17] | sphery: | wagnerrp: haven't looked at the broken patches, but it may be easier to start with those |
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| [00:36:22] | BrianHayward: | hello? |
| [00:36:30] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Did all that make sense? |
| [00:36:37] | BrianHayward: | any mythweb Experts out there |
| [00:36:48] | Anduin: | wagnerrp: I mostly bumped it because I had no idea people were actually hitting it and I was annoyed at the "patch", I'll try to fix the dup thing soon |
| [00:37:33] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Yeah, that's the kind of thing that we should fix right before we start putting SG functionality in other places... The StorageGroup class should be the only one that knows how to create SG's/find dirs for SG's (i.e. has the fallback code from name+host back to default(without host)) |
| [00:37:42] | BrianHayward: | lookin for some MythWeb help |
| [00:37:42] | Anduin: | so does someone have a current dup they feel like sharing? |
| [00:38:51] | wagnerrp: | buckaroo banzai was the one i was running up against, but it seems to have been fixed in the last couple hours (put in a request on the forum this afternoon) |
| [00:38:58] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I know this isn't what you want to hear... I have one place where I did a "shortcut" (for DB Backups SG--made the SG object, then checked its name and if it was DB Backups, figured we had one). That one was simple enough (i.e. host doesn't apply) that I just did it wrong with a mental note to fix once we have a better approach. |
| [00:39:27] | Anduin: | Yeah, the one in the ticket disappeared as well and my random quick search didn't find another |
| [00:39:41] | iamlindoro: | sphery, meh, it's too late now anyway |
| [00:40:28] | wagnerrp: | Anduin: if youre wondering about the format of a duplicate entry |
| [00:40:38] | iamlindoro: | sphery, feel free to implement said better approach |
| [00:40:40] | sphery: | iamlindoro: for it to work right, we should have functions to ask StorageGroup if an SG is valid for a particular host (i.e. doing fallback to no host--as fixed at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6255 ) and all |
| [00:40:49] | wagnerrp: | where the xml usually goes 'moviematches'->'movie' |
| [00:41:07] | wagnerrp: | the duplicate entries go 'moviematches'->tmdb_id_code->'movie' |
| [00:41:09] | sphery: | iamlindoro: plan to... Will do it tonight, likely... Then you could at least reference the ticket on yours :) |
| [00:41:28] | Anduin: | wagnerrp: Yeah I was, thanks, should be enough |
| [00:41:39] | wagnerrp: | which makes it easier... and yet harder |
| [00:42:04] | wagnerrp: | i had a modification where if 'totalresults' was greater than one, it just grabbed the key list, and poped the first one off |
| [00:42:35] | wagnerrp: | but since i had an if statement for totalresults, the value for $tmdbid was defined within the if statement |
| [00:42:41] | wagnerrp: | and outside the statement, it was nothing |
| [00:43:02] | wagnerrp: | about that time, i got pissed off that perl had such a strict view of scope, and went to bed |
| [00:43:30] | BrianHayward: | Lookin for some Mythweb help....anybody |
| [00:43:38] | wagnerrp: | BrianHayward: whats the problem? |
| [00:44:09] | Anduin: | that C like scope is one of the few things I like about it :) |
| [00:45:03] | wagnerrp: | well in C, if you define a variable outside the statement, change it inside the statement, and then access it outside the statement, IT REMAINS CHANGED |
| [00:45:11] | BrianHayward: | i was trying to follow the readme file that explains how to set it all up and im running into problems |
| [00:45:15] | wagnerrp: | i tried that in perl, defining it as 0 |
| [00:45:30] | wagnerrp: | inside the if statement, after updating it, it was defined as the tmdb id i set it to |
| [00:45:39] | wagnerrp: | back outside the statement, it was back to 0 |
| [00:45:40] | BrianHayward: | i dont fully understand webservers yet so im kinda lost |
| [00:46:04] | wagnerrp: | BrianHayward: there really shouldnt be much to do |
| [00:46:28] | wagnerrp: | most of the packaged versions of mythweb set up the necessary includes in the apache settings |
| [00:46:37] | wagnerrp: | requiring nothing more than for you to run apache |
| [00:46:44] | BrianHayward: | thats what i thought too...but as i started to dig into things im seeing some inconsistencys |
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| [00:47:38] | Anduin: | wagnerrp: perl can shadow, a my $var in the if is a new var and not the $var in an outer scopr |
| [00:47:57] | Anduin: | moot though, I'll fix it |
| [00:48:10] | BrianHayward: | like i said before im not a webserver expert...now im not sure if this is important but when i looked in my httpd.conf file...it was blank |
| [00:48:12] | BrianHayward: | empty |
| [00:48:17] | sphery: | iamlindoro: ok, so now that I realize that your code just moves existing code (that will need fixing eventually), nevermind... It should go in for now and get fixed when SG's have proper support for determining whether an SG exists... |
| [00:48:39] | BrianHayward: | whether that matters or not I'm not sure...thats what led me to believe something was wrong |
| [00:48:59] | dashs: | Better to use mythbuntu or build on top of some distro? |
| [00:49:09] | wagnerrp: | BrianHayward: did you install apache from source? or from your distro's package system? |
| [00:49:22] | wagnerrp: | dashs: better to use the distro your comfortable with |
| [00:49:24] | iamlindoro: | sphery, That said, I think it would need to go in with code that *insists* on converting existing entries to SG compatible entries when the SG is created |
| [00:49:57] | wagnerrp: | if you know ubuntu, try mythbuntu. if you know fedora, try mythdora... |
| [00:50:00] | BrianHayward: | wagnerrp: distros package system |
| [00:50:07] | dashs: | wagnerrp: because I can't get mythbuntu to work. |
| [00:50:14] | sphery: | Yeah, I'm all for getting rid of all non-SG support for MythVideo. |
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| [00:50:36] | sphery: | It should still be easy enough to convert the DB to SG' |
| [00:50:37] | sphery: | s |
| [00:50:41] | wagnerrp: | BrianHayward: if you used your distro's package system, it should have set you up at at least a minimally functional config file |
| [00:50:52] | wagnerrp: | if your httpd.conf is empty, youre probably looking at the wrong file |
| [00:51:04] | sphery: | in a dbupdate, that is... then it's just a matter of removing the code that handles local-only stuff |
| [00:51:12] | BrianHayward: | ok..im looking at the file in /etc/apache2 |
| [00:51:41] | BrianHayward: | wagnerrp: is that not the root directory for apache |
| [00:53:07] | wagnerrp: | depends on your installation, my config is in /usr/local/etc/apache22/httpd.conf |
| [00:53:20] | wagnerrp: | but if you have a '/etc/apache2', its a good bet thats where your httpd.conf file should be |
| [00:54:01] | BrianHayward: | ok |
| [00:54:04] | sphery: | Anduin: I have an ugly patch for VideoManager's usage of tmdb.pl in -fixes. It's ugly because the same (throw-away/-fixes-only) code block is basically repeated 3 times, once in each of the Run() functions. ( http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythvideo . . . _fixes.patch ). Would you prefer I factor that out or just leave it as is since it will die with 0.21-fixes? |
| [00:54:09] | wagnerrp: | if you start apache, you should get at a minimum a 'it works!' type page |
| [00:54:11] | dashs: | Where to look for channel data (mysql table?) |
| [00:54:28] | sphery: | Anduin: Oh, and I will make a real ticket for it, but just wondering about your preferred approach. |
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| [00:54:38] | wagnerrp: | if you dont get something like that, you should ask your distro for help getting apache running, before trying to use mythweb |
| [00:55:04] | wagnerrp: | dashs: until you know what youre doing, you really should not touch the database |
| [00:55:13] | Anduin: | sphery: if it eventually bugs me I'll just do it, don't worry about it |
| [00:55:19] | wagnerrp: | and even when you do know what youre doing, its better that you dont touch the database |
| [00:55:33] | wagnerrp: | what kind of 'channel data' are you looking for? |
| [00:55:40] | BrianHayward: | wagnerrp: awkward....im a novice linux user too...recently converted from windows (obviously)...so how do you start apache? |
| [00:55:50] | sphery: | Anduin: That's the thing--I don't want you to have to do extra work because of it... If you know of a good place for it off the top of your head, I'll factor it out... |
| [00:55:55] | wagnerrp: | BrianHayward: using your init scripts |
| [00:56:14] | BrianHayward: | wagnerrp: where would i find those |
| [00:56:15] | Anduin: | sphery: I don't, I'll probably just commit whatever you put in the ticket |
| [00:56:49] | dashs: | wagnerrp: just want to see if channels came down from SD. |
| [00:57:04] | wagnerrp: | dashs: are you still in mythtv-setup? |
| [00:57:05] | sphery: | Anduin: OK, thanks... You're way too willing to do other people's work for them. :) |
| [00:57:22] | dashs: | Not now — but I can get there. |
| [00:57:39] | wagnerrp: | go back in there, go to the channel editor (item 5) |
| [00:58:02] | wagnerrp: | or, in the frontend, you can go into manage recordings, schedule recordings, program guide |
| [00:59:53] | dashs: | wagnerrp: in mythtv-setup |
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| [01:09:17] | Dagmar: | So... if one could write a crowdsourcing plugin for commflagging, how long would it take for the first lawyers to show up, do you think? |
| [01:09:28] | dashs: | wagnerrp: glossary: video source or listing source whaa? |
| [01:09:57] | wagnerrp: | video source is the source of the video (obviously)... your cable company, your local broadcast station |
| [01:10:21] | wagnerrp: | listing source would be an XMLTV scraper, EIT data in the feed, or in your case, schedulesdirect |
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| [01:10:48] | dashs: | wagnerrp: glossary: these are mixed up to me in the dialogs. |
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| [01:11:54] | wagnerrp: | item 2 is the card, item 3 is your source (along with the channels), item 4 matches the card input to the source |
| [01:12:04] | wagnerrp: | in mythtv-setup |
| [01:14:20] | dashs: | wagnerrp: glossary: I would have thought that but how does item 3 relate to my dct6000 |
| [01:14:40] | wagnerrp: | dashs: it does not, at all |
| [01:15:14] | dashs: | wagnerrp: 1st thing is 'video source name:' in that dialog. |
| [01:15:33] | wagnerrp: | meaning 'my local cable provider' |
| [01:16:08] | dashs: | wagnerrp: so should be 'comcast'? |
| [01:16:19] | wagnerrp: | its whatever you want, its an arbitrary name |
| [01:16:37] | dashs: | wagnerrp: is it used anywhere else? |
| [01:16:50] | wagnerrp: | only for your use |
| [01:17:08] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not care what you put in there, so long as it doesnt run over the bounds of the column |
| [01:17:18] | wagnerrp: | and then it would probably just truncate it and continue to not care |
| [01:17:41] | dashs: | wagnerrp: but it appears as selectable in later dialogs |
| [01:18:08] | wagnerrp: | that is correct, you have to match up that 'video source' to one of the inputs on your tuner card |
| [01:18:41] | wagnerrp: | but the name is only for your benefit, internally mythtv just uses some numeric id |
| [01:19:00] | dashs: | wagnerrp: I must apologize. I can't see the relationships (or lack). |
| [01:19:31] | wagnerrp: | item 2 is the card |
| [01:19:37] | wagnerrp: | for me, its my ATSC tuner |
| [01:20:01] | wagnerrp: | item 3 would be 'broadcast digital tv' |
| [01:20:10] | dashs: | item 2 is firewire connect |
| [01:20:14] | wagnerrp: | and would be matched up to a scheduleddirect lineup |
| [01:20:39] | wagnerrp: | item 4 would attach the lineup from item 3, to the tuner input on my card in item 2 |
| [01:20:56] | wagnerrp: | your item 2 would be the firewire connect from your stb |
| [01:21:06] | wagnerrp: | your item 3 would be your cable lineup |
| [01:21:20] | dashs: | as i have it. |
| [01:21:24] | wagnerrp: | item 4 would attach said lineup to the firewire input |
| [01:21:31] | dashs: | will not do so |
| [01:21:51] | wagnerrp: | it must do so, that is its only purpose |
| [01:23:06] | dashs: | what name goes in video source: in item 4 |
| [01:23:38] | wagnerrp: | this should all be covered in any howto or manual you happen to be following |
| [01:24:01] | wagnerrp: | video source is the name you gave it in item 3 |
| [01:24:20] | dashs: | yes — doesn not work |
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| [01:24:57] | dashs: | Nothing happens when I attempt to fetch channels |
| [01:25:35] | wagnerrp: | well you cannot fetch channels unless you have bound a video source |
| [01:25:48] | wagnerrp: | the channel listing is stored against the video source, not the capture source |
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| [01:26:13] | dashs: | Don't understand tha |
| [01:26:28] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, heheheh |
| [01:26:37] | iamlindoro: | I have another case sensitivity funtime for you |
| [01:26:42] | wagnerrp: | its so that the video source can be used with multiple capture sources |
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| [01:26:49] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, folder.jpg works in SGs.... Folder.jpg doesn't |
| [01:26:58] | dashs: | yes. |
| [01:27:00] | wagnerrp: | so if you have 5 tuner cards, you dont need a separate lineup for each |
| [01:27:09] | dashs: | yes |
| [01:27:18] | wagnerrp: | so what about that dont you understand? |
| [01:27:52] | dashs: | Why doesn't it load the channels when I select "fetch channels from listings" I have a lineup at SD. |
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| [01:28:33] | wagnerrp: | because you said you have not attached a video source |
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| [01:28:45] | wagnerrp: | if you dont give the input a video source, you cannot scan or grab a lineup |
| [01:29:12] | dashs: | ISn't firewire dct6000 a video source? |
| [01:29:31] | wagnerrp: | NO, that is a capture device |
| [01:29:41] | wagnerrp: | 'comcast cable' is your video source |
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| [01:31:22] | dashs: | I'll delete all sources and startr again |
| [01:31:48] | wagnerrp: | ideally, you should never delete a video source |
| [01:31:57] | wagnerrp: | that tends to break things with old recordings |
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| [01:34:43] | mzb_d800: | iamlindoro: good news, thanks |
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| [01:37:27] | dashs: | wagnerrp: this time it filled chan 2 as starting channel bu still says start channel is "Please add" and is an error |
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| [01:40:39] | dashs: | wagnerrp: but mythfilldb is running this time!!! |
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| [01:49:45] | sphery: | dashs: mythfilldatabase /never/ adds channels from digital sources with Fetch... |
| [01:50:24] | sphery: | dashs: you have to force it to do so because normally doing so would break things (i.e. would add channels you don't get or channels for which not enough info is available to actually tune--because digital channels generally require scanning) |
| [01:50:42] | sphery: | dashs: firewire is special in that you don't scan it, so you force mfdb to add the channels. see mythfilldatabsae --help |
| [01:54:14] | dashs: | sphery: was away. what is mfdb? |
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| [01:54:30] | sphery: | mfdb = mythfilldatabase typed by a lazy person |
| [01:54:53] | dashs: | sphery: aye. still can't watch tv |
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| [01:59:37] | wagnerrp: | ugh... cableco changing lineups again |
| [01:59:56] | wagnerrp: | somehow, fox did not exist for house to record, but it was available again for 24 to record |
| [02:00:22] | wagnerrp: | HDHR and an antenna are going in the closet tonight |
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| [02:08:17] | dashs: | How do I find out why "Watch TV" does nothing? |
| [02:08:26] | wagnerrp: | check your logs |
| [02:08:31] | dashs: | ok |
| [02:08:34] | wagnerrp: | try in /var/log/mythtv |
| [02:08:55] | wagnerrp: | do recordings work? |
| [02:09:07] | dashs: | I can play a dvd |
| [02:09:09] | wagnerrp: | if nothing works, check for file permissions problems |
| [02:09:23] | wagnerrp: | alternatively, the channel you are trying to record may be 5c encrypted |
| [02:10:31] | dashs: | GetEntryAt(-1) failed. |
| [02:10:43] | dashs: | EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 17:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo |
| [02:10:51] | wagnerrp: | backend logs, not frontend |
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| [02:12:43] | dashs: | still can't find channels I guess. |
| [02:12:47] | dashs: | GetChannelData() failed because it could not |
| [02:12:48] | dashs: | find channel number 'Please add' in DB for source '1'. |
| [02:15:14] | dashs: | DB is screwed up I guess. |
| [02:16:23] | dashs: | How do I force mfdb to add the correct channels from SD? |
| [02:17:04] | Dagmar: | You delete them all and then run it again |
| [02:17:27] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, ping? |
| [02:17:30] | dashs: | Can I please do that form the command line? |
| [02:17:39] | Dagmar: | It's in the docs. |
| [02:17:51] | dashs: | Which docs? |
| [02:18:46] | Dagmar: | The ones on teh interwebs |
| [02:18:50] | Dagmar: | like wiki.mythtv.org |
| [02:25:01] | dashs: | Sorry, of course I'm an idiot, but there is no 'remove' option fro mfdb. |
| [02:28:18] | wagnerrp: | item 5, channel editor, delete all channels |
| [02:28:27] | dashs: | thank you |
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| [02:38:50] | dashs: | wagnerrp and Dagmar thanks but a complete re-install will be necessary, as it never cleans up. Never removes the "Please add" tag from 1st channel. |
| [02:39:15] | wagnerrp: | theres *almost* nothing you can do that would require a reinstall of myth |
| [02:39:50] | wagnerrp: | unless you manually go in and dick around with the files, a database whip will give you a clean install |
| [02:40:29] | wagnerrp: | wipe |
| [02:40:30] | dashs: | I can't get the "Please Add" off of starting channel. What is a database whip? |
| [02:40:45] | dashs: | er, wipe |
| [02:41:01] | wagnerrp: | all settings and status in mythtv are stored in the database |
| [02:41:34] | dashs: | ok. how to wipe the db? |
| [02:41:45] | wagnerrp: | what is your database name? |
| [02:42:11] | dashs: | whatever mythbuntu defaults to |
| [02:43:29] | sphery: | dashs: for "cleaning" your DB: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [02:44:08] | sphery: | Do the video source part of that... It cleans all video source and channel-related info from DB. |
| [02:45:21] | dashs: | The MicrosSLoth solution sounds better for system that I don't have full control of (mythbuntu) |
| [02:46:03] | dashs: | but I'll give it a try... |
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| [02:47:01] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use mythtv without learning your way around linux, the command line, and everything |
| [02:47:13] | wagnerrp: | youre going to have to hire the geeky kid down the street to do it for you |
| [02:48:02] | dashs: | I know my way around, on systems that I have root password auth |
| [02:48:12] | dashs: | becasue I put them together. |
| [02:48:53] | dashs: | mythbuntu is trying to protect me I suppose. |
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| [02:49:50] | clever: | ubuntu has the root account locked by default |
| [02:49:59] | clever: | so you need to do everything thru sudo |
| [02:50:13] | dashs: | I was disparaging the MS solution which is a system over which you have no control. |
| [02:50:26] | Lexridge: | clever: I thought all you had to do to unlock the root account was set the password. Is this not true? |
| [02:50:40] | clever: | Lexridge: that would do |
| [02:50:49] | clever: | Lexridge: but you need root access to do that:P |
| [02:51:11] | Lexridge: | sudo might allow it. |
| [02:51:14] | clever: | sudo will |
| [02:51:26] | clever: | just 'sudo passwd root' |
| [02:51:46] | wagnerrp: | what do you need root access to use mysql for? |
| [02:51:47] | clever: | but its safer to just keep using sudo i feel |
| [02:52:17] | Lexridge: | for a newbie, yes. For me, I hate sudo. :/ |
| [02:52:31] | dashs: | Yes, I hate sudo. |
| [02:52:41] | clever: | you can get a root shell with 'sudo -i' |
| [02:53:03] | Lexridge: | dashs: just do the command clever just posted. Then you should be able to get a real root login. |
| [02:54:07] | dashs: | I'm going to reinstall, it is an appliance, correct? |
| [02:54:22] | clever: | i hate reinstalling:P |
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| [02:54:52] | pembo13: | i am starting to believe that mythbackend is fairly regularly crashing my entire computer |
| [02:55:13] | pembo13: | i thought it was my network card and that using mythtv from another machine was triggering it |
| [02:55:35] | Lexridge: | you could just wipe your database entirely and re-import the database tables file. Not sure of the exact procedure without looking it up |
| [02:55:42] | pembo13: | but i finally got a kerneloops: http://rafb.net/p/ijR6SZ28.html |
| [02:56:27] | pembo13: | Lexridge: was that to me? |
| [02:56:28] | dashs: | Well, another day — not in a bug hurry. |
| [02:56:34] | Lexridge: | dashs: you could probably easily do it within mysql-administrator. |
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| [02:56:54] | Lexridge: | pembo13: no, that was to dashs. Sorry. bad timing. |
| [02:57:01] | pembo13: | ok |
| [02:57:11] | pembo13: | Lexridge: are you good at reading kernel dumps? |
| [02:57:21] | clever: | pembo13: have you ran memtest recently? |
| [02:57:26] | Lexridge: | lol, not really. |
| [02:57:49] | clever: | and what about fsck on your jfs partitions? |
| [02:57:51] | pembo13: | clever: good idea, when is the best time to run memtest ? with or without load? |
| [02:58:01] | pembo13: | clever: i'll run that too |
| [02:58:16] | clever: | memtest must take full control of the system |
| [02:58:19] | pembo13: | clever: i've been getting these stalls for quite some time now, this is the first time i've actual got any data |
| [02:58:27] | wagnerrp: | pembo13: you boot into memtest |
| [02:58:28] | clever: | so you would shutdown and run just memtest |
| [02:58:35] | pembo13: | clever: ok, i'll run it over night then |
| [02:58:41] | wagnerrp: | the best time is when you put the floppy in the drive and reboot |
| [02:58:53] | clever: | most of the time i had memory problems, it detected it within 5 seconds |
| [02:58:57] | pembo13: | wagnerrp: yah... but i thought that I had read that it may not be as useful without load on the machine |
| [02:59:11] | Lexridge: | pembo13: http://www.memtest.org/ |
| [02:59:14] | wagnerrp: | pembo13: i have seen that |
| [02:59:33] | wagnerrp: | my system has been unstable before, and memtest wouldnt detect anything unless it had run immediately after a crash |
| [02:59:36] | clever: | most distro's put memtest right into the boot menu so you usualy dont need to dl it manualy |
| [02:59:50] | Lexridge: | clever: this is true. |
| [02:59:51] | clever: | never seen that before |
| [02:59:54] | pembo13: | memtest should be on one of my livecds |
| [03:00:09] | Lexridge: | knoppix has it for sure, as does fedora |
| [03:00:26] | clever: | and ubuntu on both the livecd and installs |
| [03:00:51] | Lexridge: | I guess about everything has it these days :) |
| [03:01:12] | clever: | i also added it as an option on my netbooting |
| [03:01:57] | Lexridge: | nice idea. I had never considered adding memtest to my hdd boot menu. Cool! |
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| [03:09:47] | pembo13: | wagnerrp: i'll check the memory, but i suspect the problem is with the drive and/or filesystem |
| [03:11:23] | clever: | 2 of those traces include the jfs module |
| [03:11:34] | clever: | so it could be damage to the filesystem |
| [03:11:53] | pembo13: | clever: also, the first time i crashed hard, i was ridding the drive pretty hard |
| [03:12:00] | pembo13: | clever: indepent of mythbackend |
| [03:12:15] | pembo13: | clever: it's also the same drive/filesystem mytthbackend uses for storage |
| [03:13:14] | clever: | i just noticed something realy wrong with my local laptop! |
| [03:13:20] | clever: | its missing a whole cpu core! |
| [03:13:58] | pembo13: | clever: ouch... can a CPU run with a single core failure? |
| [03:14:19] | clever: | i think its just the wrong kernel |
| [03:14:30] | clever: | no SMP support so its ignoring the 2nd core |
| [03:14:51] | clever: | ubuntu installed a new kernel and i havent used the dualcore in over a month |
| [03:15:01] | clever: | 2.6.24-23–386 |
| [03:15:02] | clever: | lol |
| [03:15:22] | Dagmar: | Depends on if god likes you much today |
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| [03:15:45] | clever: | i thought you put a /ignore on me:P |
| [03:16:39] | clever: | `vmlinuz' -> `boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-23-generic' |
| [03:16:43] | clever: | fixed i think |
| [03:19:17] | clever: | woot, a SG wasnt mounted to mythbackend went thru the whole jobqueue and failed everything! |
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| [03:23:23] | pembo13: | what's the recommended filesystem for mythbackend these days? |
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| [03:29:38] | Dagmar: | The ones listed on the wiki |
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| [03:32:04] | wagnerrp: | fat16 |
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| [03:32:19] | wagnerrp: | its simplicity frees up capacity for mythtv to use elsewhere |
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| [03:46:21] | clever: | i would use fat8! :P |
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| [03:52:41] | Lexridge: | check out this cool device. We just got two of them Friday where I work. I'm having a blast testing them. http://www.aja.com/html/products_rackmount_FS1.html |
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| [03:55:08] | jtmoney: | hey guys, interested in setting up mythtv and using xbmc as a frontend... i'm just worried that a wireless connection will not be adequate for streaming HD content... any ideas? |
| [03:56:51] | wagnerrp: | your original assumption is correct, run cat6 |
| [03:58:09] | Dagmar: | Use fiber |
| [03:58:13] | Dagmar: | It's easier to staple to the walls. |
| [03:58:24] | Dagmar: | 'cuz it's thin yaknow |
| [03:58:44] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: you mean he shouldnt have a cable tray running along the ceiling? |
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| [03:59:28] | Lexridge: | ugh, my antenna is once again pointing towards the ground due to wind. My HD reception is a bit pixeled. :( Too late to climb onto the roof tonight. |
| [03:59:49] | jtmoney: | run fiber? am i detecting sarcasm or am i that old school? |
| [03:59:53] | wagnerrp: | no attic access? |
| [04:00:19] | wagnerrp: | theres no school but old school |
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| [04:00:34] | Lexridge: | no. Attic also requires getting on the roof. No ladder required fortunetly. |
| [04:00:57] | jedix: | hey, I'm having usses with my ps3 seeing my upnp mythtv for pictures.. videos and music works |
| [04:01:03] | jedix: | anyone know what's going on? |
| [04:01:18] | jedix: | are photos sharable over upnp? |
| [04:01:33] | wagnerrp: | upnp and mythgallery? no idea |
| [04:02:04] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [04:02:14] | jedix: | mythgallery? is that what does the photos? |
| [04:02:40] | jedix: | yeah, google says no on that search |
| [04:02:42] | jedix: | thanks guys |
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| [04:04:43] | sphery: | kormoc: got a moment? |
| [04:04:48] | kormoc: | sure, what's up? |
| [04:05:13] | sphery: | I just posted a patch that uses tmdb.pl in -fixes ( #6338 ) |
| [04:05:47] | sphery: | I haven't done a MythWeb portion of it. (And it seems trunk MythWeb hasn't been updated to use tmdb.pl, either.) |
| [04:06:24] | sphery: | I was looking at the imdb code in MW, and saw it was pretty well spread out... I didn't know if you had a plan for the move to tmdb.pl. |
| [04:06:43] | sphery: | i.e. the simple, replace imdb.pl with tmdb.pl in the actual command names and nothing more |
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| [04:06:57] | kormoc: | I was just hoping it shared the same command line arguments in which the replace should work out |
| [04:07:10] | sphery: | or update it to remove the "imdb" references for a more generic name (i.e. movie_db_path...) |
| [04:08:05] | sphery: | args are basically identical... Though, you remove the tv=...;video=... stuff from the listings command (-M). See: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tmdb.pl#Configurin . . . _use_tmdb.pl |
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| [04:08:31] | sphery: | so it could be easy... hardest part would be figuring out how to replace the imdb.pl in users sessions... |
| [04:09:08] | sphery: | but the OC part of me was thinking of starting down the road of genericizing the names of things... :) |
| [04:09:33] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [04:10:23] | sphery: | It's not important to change names from a script point of view, but I had no idea how to handle the sessions that already have the imdb.pl script specified. |
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| [04:12:40] | jpabq: | iamlindoro: couple of hours delayed, but you rang? |
| [04:13:24] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, Just wanted to let you know that the trunk version of handbrake can transcode the DTS-HD stuff, and tsmuxer can remux the DTS core out (although I haven't figured that one out yet) |
| [04:13:54] | iamlindoro: | but it's a path to playing the DTS-HD MA only Blu ray stuff in the short term, if you are interested |
| [04:14:09] | gizmobay: | I'm getting a 1080p fp tv. I'm going to hook my mythtv computer to this as I've always run it to a computer monitor. What's the best way to do this? I have a HDMI connection on my card. Should I use a HDMI to VGA or just use HDMI to HDMI cable? |
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| [04:14:30] | jpabq: | Cool. I have actually not bothered to rip any blurays. I just play them on my Panasonic 55. I may rip a few if the audio will actually work. Of course, then I would want 24Hz playback to work. |
| [04:15:42] | Lexridge: | gizmobay: HDMI would be better than VGA, and should work fine. However, DVI would be good too, if that's an option.. |
| [04:16:25] | gizmobay: | sorry it's dvi |
| [04:16:40] | Lexridge: | dvi shoud work fine then |
| [04:16:48] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [04:17:01] | gizmobay: | then hook a cable from my sound card to the tv |
| [04:17:13] | Lexridge: | yup |
| [04:18:12] | gizmobay: | will xorg detect the fp or do I need to set it up? |
| [04:19:02] | Lexridge: | if you have hdmi, use that. That will also get your audio without additional cabling. |
| [04:20:09] | gizmobay: | my video card only has dvi |
| [04:20:10] | Lexridge: | what is "fp"? |
| [04:20:16] | gizmobay: | flat panel |
| [04:20:31] | Lexridge: | it should detect it. Are you running gnome or kde? |
| [04:20:55] | kormoc: | cause the window manager affects the driver? |
| [04:20:59] | gizmobay: | mythbuntu so xfce |
| [04:21:18] | Lexridge: | what kind of video card are you using? |
| [04:22:20] | gizmobay: | 9400GT |
| [04:23:05] | Lexridge: | okay, if you are using the closed nvidia driver, it should detect your fs just fine. |
| [04:23:16] | iamlindoro: | erm |
| [04:23:18] | Lexridge: | the nv driver is questionable however. |
| [04:23:22] | gizmobay: | cool thanks |
| [04:23:33] | iamlindoro: | And what about if, like most LCDs, it gives totally bogus EDID? |
| [04:23:39] | gizmobay: | I'm using 180.29 |
| [04:23:53] | Lexridge: | iamlindoro: good point. |
| [04:24:51] | wagnerrp: | Lexridge: whats the problem with the nvidia driver? |
| [04:25:02] | wagnerrp: | or do you mean the actual 'nv' driver? |
| [04:25:29] | gizmobay: | i couldn't get the nv to work |
| [04:25:30] | Lexridge: | I meant the actual xorg nv driver. |
| [04:25:35] | gizmobay: | bad picture |
| [04:26:09] | wagnerrp: | ah yes... no reason to use the nv driver, OSS pundits be damned |
| [04:26:20] | Lexridge: | lol, exactly! |
| [04:26:48] | Lexridge: | gizmobay: are you running a single display or dual display? |
| [04:27:58] | gizmobay: | i'm running single |
| [04:28:50] | Lexridge: | honestly then, it should just work. You might have to run the nvidia-settings util to get your monitor to 1920x1080, but it should be simple to do. |
| [04:29:15] | gizmobay: | thanks |
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| [05:28:44] | nemiroal: | anyone else find that the scheduling still gets wierd after daylight savings switch over? |
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| [05:30:28] | nemiroal: | some shows are right.. other get record one hour early.. some start at wierd times like 16 minutes or 5 minutes lates. |
| [05:30:55] | nemiroal: | no one else? |
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| [05:36:39] | wagnerrp: | any DST errors should be offset by 1hr |
| [05:36:53] | wagnerrp: | being off by 16 or 5 minutes is something completely different |
| [05:36:57] | nemiroal: | k |
| [05:38:05] | nemiroal: | anyone record Heros tonight OK on NBC? |
| [05:38:25] | wagnerrp: | mine seems fine |
| [05:38:39] | nemiroal: | my scheduled two recordings |
| [05:38:49] | nemiroal: | one at 8pm.. which was wrong |
| [05:39:11] | nemiroal: | then again at 9:06 |
| [05:39:19] | nemiroal: | wait ... the first one was at 8:11 |
| [05:39:30] | nemiroal: | yours looks right? |
| [05:39:32] | wagnerrp: | and your schedule was normal? |
| [05:39:40] | nemiroal: | schedule was normal |
| [05:40:06] | nemiroal: | I look at some other shows and they are right but others are just wierd like this . |
| [05:40:15] | nemiroal: | just yesterday and today |
| [05:40:27] | nemiroal: | everything else looks right before Sunday morning. |
| [05:41:03] | nemiroal: | I used the schedules direct service |
| [05:41:18] | nemiroal: | do know.. I got messed up with DST last november too |
| [05:41:56] | nemiroal: | oh well.. I will figure it out eventually. |
| [05:42:20] | nemiroal: | just gonna program cron to reboot after DST changes. |
| [05:44:20] | nemiroal: | good night all. |
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| [06:24:52] | artus35: | Hi all anybody using a logitech harmony as Remote` |
| [06:24:54] | artus35: | ? |
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| [06:25:13] | wagnerrp: | artus35: yes |
| [06:27:59] | artus35: | do you have a lircrc and lircd.conf for me ? |
| [06:28:12] | wagnerrp: | it wouldnt do you any good |
| [06:28:14] | artus35: | and do you use the preset for mythtv on the logitech? |
| [06:28:25] | artus35: | no? |
| [06:28:34] | wagnerrp: | you... do understand how a harmony works dont you? |
| [06:28:41] | artus35: | yes |
| [06:28:54] | artus35: | somehow it does not work for me |
| [06:29:01] | kormoc: | Did you read the docs? |
| [06:29:02] | wagnerrp: | it has no codes of its own... it uses the codes of other remotes |
| [06:29:11] | artus35: | yeah I know |
| [06:29:22] | wagnerrp: | so how would i give you lirc files for something that doesnt have codes? |
| [06:29:25] | artus35: | but I did not find a matching pair yet |
| [06:29:54] | artus35: | wagnerrp: now do you define codecs? |
| [06:30:04] | artus35: | there is a preset called mythtv |
| [06:30:07] | wagnerrp: | codecs? |
| [06:30:11] | kormoc: | The doc's /might/ tell you how... |
| [06:30:40] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what this ambiguous 'mythtv' preset may be, considering mythtv does not have a receiver or remote |
| [06:31:28] | wagnerrp: | there is no mythtv branded hardware for a harmony to emulate |
| [06:31:33] | artus35: | kormoc: which docs do you mean? I have set all other devices beside mythtv/media center yet |
| [06:31:48] | artus35: | wagnerrp: there is |
| [06:32:03] | purserj: | mythtv has started doing hardware now?!? |
| [06:32:04] | kormoc: | artus35, there's docs in the wiki that go over the setup for the harmonys |
| [06:32:15] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
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| [06:32:40] | wagnerrp: | i think we pissed him off |
| [06:32:48] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [06:33:03] | wagnerrp: | now im interested as to what this 'mythtv' remote in the harmony software may be |
| [06:33:57] | wagnerrp: | i dont seem to have the software installed on this machine... |
| [06:35:16] | wagnerrp: | ugh... 52MB for a glorified browser |
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| [06:48:54] | clever: | ive seen worse:P |
| [06:49:12] | clever: | a 'stand alone' client for a game, which simply wrapped itself arround a IE window |
| [06:49:41] | clever: | so your 'light weight' browser needs a full ie6.0 install to function:P |
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| [07:18:34] | wagnerrp: | clever: its already hard enough getting over the concept that the configuration for the remote doesnt actually happen locally |
| [07:18:44] | wagnerrp: | although when you experience how slow the app works, it all makes sense |
| [07:23:46] | wagnerrp: | seems there actually is a 'mythtv' manufacturer in the harmony database |
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| [07:23:56] | wagnerrp: | with models 'mythdora' and 'mythfedora' |
| [07:28:36] | wagnerrp: | as far as i can tell, it seems to be an MCEUSB2 clone |
| [07:30:01] | wagnerrp: | artus35: you catch that? |
| [07:35:38] | Gumby: | what do you guys recommend for implementing a game emulator in mythtv ? |
| [07:35:47] | Dagmar: | Just buying a PS3 |
| [07:36:01] | Dagmar: | Seriously. |
| [07:36:02] | wagnerrp: | there is already mythgame... nothing to emulate |
| [07:36:06] | wagnerrp: | err... implement |
| [07:36:17] | wagnerrp: | mythgame is little more than a external program launcher |
| [07:36:46] | Gumby: | Dagmar, not interested in a PS3 |
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| [09:36:04] | Similian: | hi |
| [09:36:47] | Similian: | will this ATOM Board play HD stuff ? |
| [09:36:50] | Similian: | http://emea.kontron.com/products/boards+and+m . . . rchterm=pitx |
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| [09:38:29] | Dagmar: | Probably not |
| [09:39:38] | Similian: | hm i hoped the H264 Accrelating thing would help |
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| [09:41:12] | [Peter]: | there's no support for it in myth |
| [09:42:42] | Similian: | doesnt mplayer? |
| [09:42:54] | Cougar: | how about playing in software? |
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| [09:45:11] | Similian: | was it mplayer-vdpau or something ? |
| [09:45:16] | Similian: | maybe iam wrong |
| [09:46:05] | [Peter]: | Similian: that is for nvidia chips |
| [09:46:27] | Similian: | :) there you go ... |
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| [09:47:15] | Similian: | :/ guess I will have to wait for the small supersilent HD mythbox |
| [09:47:54] | [Peter]: | Similian: http://www.nvidia.com/object/sff_ion.html you'll want that when it comes out |
| [09:48:21] | kormoc: | or get a mac mini |
| [09:50:45] | [Peter]: | not very cheap |
| [09:50:55] | Similian: | thats sick |
| [09:50:57] | Similian: | the link |
| [09:51:09] | Similian: | thankyou very much :D |
| [09:51:23] | kormoc: | the mac mini at $600 isn't much more then nvidia's target $550 starting price for the ion platform |
| [09:51:36] | kormoc: | and the mac mini gives you a full core2duo vs a atom processor |
| [09:51:45] | kormoc: | and the mac mini is here now |
| [09:51:55] | [Peter]: | the mac mini sure isn't $600 here |
| [09:52:49] | [Peter]: | apple usually shafts everyone not living in the US |
| [09:53:18] | Similian: | the only thing that bothers a bit with those system is that you cant add capturecards |
| [09:53:19] | kormoc: | "1 049.00 Australian dollars = 669.5767 U.S. dollars" |
| [09:53:26] | kormoc: | that's not /that/ bad of a mark up |
| [09:54:28] | Similian: | (but then i would be looking for a different product with a pcie slot – guess mATX) |
| [09:55:28] | Similian: | that ion thing looks insane |
| [09:56:46] | [Peter]: | kormoc: http://www.mydigitallife.info/2009/02/14/nvid . . . sed-by-june/ |
| [09:56:52] | [Peter]: | kormoc: not exactly $550 any more |
| [09:58:25] | Similian: | you would have to add a SATA HDD to that |
| [09:59:16] | kormoc: | Drive + Case + Power Supply... |
| [09:59:25] | [Peter]: | not if you netboot :) the ion-based asus eee is supposed to be targeted at $350 |
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| [10:00:43] | gbee: | with or without the Windows tax? |
| [10:00:54] | Similian: | :) |
| [10:01:21] | Similian: | is the sata port on the front of the case ? |
| [10:01:59] | kormoc: | http://news.cnet.com/i/bto/20081216/nvidia-94 . . . ok-small.jpg |
| [10:03:26] | Similian: | nice internal |
| [10:03:44] | Similian: | so the nvidia case would be a no go :) |
| [10:04:02] | Similian: | i would love to spend money on this stuff now ! |
| [10:04:05] | Similian: | :) |
| [10:04:28] | Similian: | thanks for keeping me up to date |
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| [12:43:34] | mzb_d800: | I'm a little confused with interlace settings. |
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| [12:44:07] | gbee: | who isn't? |
| [12:44:14] | mzb_d800: | Using trunk on an M10K and setting Bob2X the mpeg2 playback is great. |
| [12:44:40] | mzb_d800: | Playback of nuv is awful. |
| [12:44:47] | mzb_d800: | (100% CPU) |
| [12:44:57] | laga: | are you using XvMC? |
| [12:44:58] | anykey_: | hm, is it only me or is the escape-key not working in mythtv-setup on the main menu? |
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| [12:45:19] | anykey_: | (trunk) |
| [12:45:20] | mzb_d800: | yes, XVmC is compiled and enabled. |
| [12:45:57] | mzb_d800: | The only way I can get a good result for nuv is to set deinterlace to none. |
| [12:46:39] | gbee: | anykey_: works for me, well except that it uses the exit key preference specified for the frontend which it probably shouldn't |
| [12:47:41] | anykey_: | gbee: exit key for the frontend... is that empty when you've never ran a frontend? that would explain it |
| [12:48:22] | mzb_d800: | One of the reasons I compress some shows to nuv (apart from space) is that the M10K/Unichrome/whatever seems particularly sensitive to (let's call it) a marginal signal. |
| [12:48:26] | gbee: | shouldn't be, settings generally have safe fallbacks, but this might be an exception |
| [12:48:53] | anykey_: | gbee: exit key in the other menus in mythtv-setup works, however |
| [12:49:20] | mzb_d800: | By transcoding, the errors disappear. |
| [12:49:38] | mzb_d800: | So, how do I solve the de-interlace issue? |
| [12:50:11] | mzb_d800: | clarification: this has only become an issue as I've gone from a PAL TV to an LCD. |
| [12:50:31] | mzb_d800: | (de-interlace is part of the TV-out afaik) |
| [12:51:05] | mzb_d800: | I'd prefer not to have to put the TV back in place just because of this issue! ;)) |
| [12:53:36] | ivor: | mzb_d800: you might want to investigate the marginal signal causing problems issue. it should be pretty resilient to bad mpeg streams (it always used to be anyway). |
| [12:54:30] | mzb_d800: | I'm pointing at a fairly weak high-band UHF signal about 6km away. |
| [12:55:00] | mzb_d800: | I've reinforced the aerial mount, replaced _most_ of the cable with RGG6, tried a masthead amplifier ... etc. |
| [12:56:01] | mzb_d800: | Assuming that replacement of one section of cable will solve the remaining issues this still doesn't solve the issue of nuv playback. |
| [12:56:31] | mzb_d800: | ie: I'm happy for my mpeg2 to be deinterlaced, but don't want nuv to be. (I think) |
| [12:56:34] | mzb_d800: | Sound right? |
| [12:57:23] | mzb_d800: | s/RG6 |
| [13:00:20] | mzb_d800: | s/RG6/quad core RG6/ |
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| [15:01:19] | iamlindoro_: | *cricket* |
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| [15:02:13] | sid3windr: | *crikey* |
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| [15:25:44] | mzb_d800: | ps: turn on the part of my brain that was asleep (forget I had it on auto-hibernate) and added an entry to the CPU profile for >=512x384 and <=640x480 with no de-interlace. |
| [15:26:03] | mzb_d800: | (the two sizes I use for low and medium transcodes) |
| [15:26:11] | mzb_d800: | s/turned |
| [15:26:14] | mzb_d800: | *yawn* |
| [15:26:18] | ** mzb_d800 goes to bed ** | |
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| [15:36:18] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Wow, I've heard alot about Hulu but never went to the site until today... And find that most of my favorite shows are available to stream... humm... NO wonder so many people are considering (and/or are) cancelling cable/sat tv... |
| [15:37:38] | iamlindoro_: | So for the folks who were waiting on HVR-2250 drivers, it looks like stoth estimates having the linux driver available by April 1 or so |
| [15:38:17] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Ooh ^^ that would be nice. ;-) (even though I don't have one currently...) ;-) |
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| [15:40:16] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Humm... HDHR is $158 at amazon now... with my $50 coupons, that would be just $108... tempting to buy a 2nd one... ;-) |
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| [15:51:37] | gbee_: | iamlindoro_: no chance that the date isn't a coincidence? |
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| [15:52:27] | iamlindoro_: | gbee_: Heh, technically the post was 3/7 with an estimate of three weeks, so 4/1 is the date approximation made by me :) |
| [15:53:11] | gbee_: | yeah right, you're not fooling me that easily |
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| [15:53:26] | iamlindoro_: | hehe |
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| [16:22:01] | gbee_: | need a new case, I'd like to keep this dodgy drive until it actually does fail, but I've no space |
| [16:22:32] | gbee_: | machine has room for 4x 5 1/4" 2x Floppy and only 2x HDD |
| [16:22:45] | gbee_: | which is arse backwards |
| [16:23:28] | iamlindoro_: | I love my Lian Li cases FWIW-- room for 20+ drives in a full tower form factor |
| [16:24:33] | iamlindoro_: | But the tower lives in the closet so there's no chance to be offended by it, YMMV |
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| [16:27:19] | sid3windr: | gbee_: 5.25->3.5" converter rails? |
| [16:28:20] | d0netsFN: | iamlindoro_ how much was it |
| [16:28:54] | sid3windr: | my midtower lian li also eats 12 drives :) |
| [16:29:55] | iamlindoro_: | $200 or so |
| [16:30:45] | d0netsFN: | http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&q=ul . . . amp;ct=title |
| [16:30:48] | d0netsFN: | i want that one |
| [16:31:34] | wagnerrp: | well... except its an 'Ultra' |
| [16:32:16] | wagnerrp: | the same company that makes oodles of those cheap, crappy, burn-up-your-hardware power supplies |
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| [16:32:30] | d0netsFN: | that one doesnt come with a psu |
| [16:32:32] | d0netsFN: | get your own |
| [16:32:35] | d0netsFN: | its got great reviews |
| [16:32:36] | d0netsFN: | and lots of space |
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| [16:36:10] | wagnerrp: | the picture shows one plug (1/8" jack) for 'ac97', and another plug for 'hd audio' |
| [16:36:22] | wagnerrp: | i am incredibly confused by that |
| [16:36:59] | wagnerrp: | the little pictures behind the red lines they drew actually look like microphone and headphone, respectively |
| [16:37:10] | wagnerrp: | ultra cant even label their own case properly? |
| [16:37:25] | sid3windr: | harddisk audio.. :] |
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| [16:38:20] | d0netsFN: | hey, like i said |
| [16:38:23] | d0netsFN: | its 89$ |
| [16:38:25] | wagnerrp: | 10 external bays, however 7 of those are consumed by drive caddies, and not even hotswap |
| [16:38:40] | d0netsFN: | but you cant find them right now |
| [16:38:47] | d0netsFN: | and supposedly wont be able to for a month or 2 |
| [16:39:49] | wagnerrp: | 'offers an incredible 18 drive bays', except those 10 5.25" bays cant be used at the same time as those 8 3.5" bays |
| [16:40:28] | wagnerrp: | i half expected the case to be made of cut-your-wrists sheet steel |
| [16:40:35] | wagnerrp: | but it looks like they at least rolled it |
| [16:40:47] | sid3windr: | lian li ftw :] |
| [16:41:38] | wagnerrp: | removable motherboard tray... thats one thing i miss about my P182 |
| [16:42:10] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, I have grown quite fond of Lian Li- You pay a bit more but the construction quality and thoughtfulness in the design is unparalleled |
| [16:42:43] | wagnerrp: | the trays on those lian-li cases come with add-on cards and all dont they? |
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| [16:42:49] | sid3windr: | I also think my lian li with hardware weighs as much as my aopen without hardware :] |
| [16:43:00] | iamlindoro_: | The case I use at home has 12 of the 3.5" drive slots in a separate air channel with big slow fans to blow air over them, it's a nice touch when using a lot of drives |
| [16:43:03] | wagnerrp: | the whole assembly comes out? not just the motherboard |
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| [16:43:17] | sid3windr: | wagnerrp: yes. |
| [16:43:50] | sid3windr: | and the front panel connectors have a separate looseclicky system in the middle of the cable so you don't have to disconnect those cables |
| [16:44:01] | sid3windr: | alleviated a bit by asus's quickconnectythingy though |
| [16:44:07] | sid3windr: | forgot the name of it :P |
| [16:44:18] | wagnerrp: | the one in my server holds just the motherboard, i hardly see the point of doing it that way |
| [16:45:18] | wagnerrp: | well except the case is double-wide, and like 70lbs with hardware.... not exactly something you want to tip on its side, and subsequently shake around to find the lost screws |
| [16:46:13] | wagnerrp: | speaking of which... im down to 442GB on the array |
| [16:46:19] | wagnerrp: | that last drive isnt lasting very long |
| [16:47:40] | sphery: | I'm still trying to figure out if it's possible that a motherboard/chipset could be causing drive failures on one of my systems (that had 2 HDD failures in short succession--i.e. one failed, put in a used HDD as a replacement and it failed within a week)... |
| [16:47:51] | sphery: | Or is it just bad luck/timing? |
| [16:48:12] | sid3windr: | I would rather suspect the psu than the mainboard |
| [16:48:37] | sphery: | I have a new PSU for that system, so if it's the PSU, that will be fixed--just trying not to destroy another HDD... |
| [16:48:56] | sphery: | still running with the broken HDD (complete with clicking sounds) |
| [16:49:32] | sphery: | So, if I swap PSU's, it's not likely to kill another HDD? |
| [16:49:47] | wagnerrp: | i can fit one more drive, before an upgrade would require a new raid controller |
| [16:49:50] | sphery: | (I won't blame you/hold you liable for anything you say) |
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| [16:52:30] | wagnerrp: | well the controller is closing on 3yrs old |
| [16:53:20] | wagnerrp: | its already passed through two systems, and expansion of as many arrays |
| [16:53:58] | wagnerrp: | maybe by the time i upgrade (probably by the end of the year), ill be due for bigger and better |
| [16:54:13] | wagnerrp: | or i might just dump hardware all together, and go with raid-z |
| [16:54:22] | sid3windr: | raid zeeeeeee |
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| [16:56:48] | wagnerrp: | if only someone sold some nice, cheap 8+ port disk controllers |
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| [16:59:18] | sid3windr: | supermicro sat2-mv8 is nice. |
| [16:59:25] | sid3windr: | not 8+ though, just 8 |
| [16:59:34] | wagnerrp: | isnt that PCI-X? |
| [16:59:36] | sid3windr: | areca hw raid controllers are of course nice deluxe |
| [16:59:39] | sid3windr: | yeh it is |
| [16:59:41] | sid3windr: | you need pcie ? |
| [16:59:48] | sid3windr: | or pci |
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| [17:00:04] | sid3windr: | 8 port doesn't make much sense in pci though so I guess pcie ? ;) |
| [17:00:06] | wagnerrp: | pcie would be nice, just contemplating for now |
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| [17:00:37] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr: hell, two drives are capable of peaking the PCI bus anymore |
| [17:00:42] | AndyCap: | promise has a slightly cheaper 16-port kontroller but no idea if it's any good. areca works for me. :-P |
| [17:00:52] | sid3windr: | wagnerrp: 1.2 drives actually :p |
| [17:01:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah, im using an areca 12-port currently |
| [17:01:13] | sid3windr: | and you're thinking about replacing it?! |
| [17:01:34] | wagnerrp: | considering it |
| [17:01:45] | wagnerrp: | ive got two ports free at the moment |
| [17:01:53] | wagnerrp: | granted, theyre only 750GB drives |
| [17:02:11] | wagnerrp: | and two are taken by a 320GB mirror, which can be easily moved onto software |
| [17:02:35] | wagnerrp: | ...not on this board though, im out of onboard ports currently |
| [17:03:32] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [17:03:39] | sid3windr: | replace it by a 16 or 24 port areca then :] |
| [17:05:17] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr: well that was the other option |
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| [17:05:44] | wagnerrp: | plus its one of the older DDR1 models... not that that really makes any difference |
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| [17:06:47] | wagnerrp: | what i could really use is more system memory |
| [17:06:53] | wagnerrp: | only 2GB on the file server |
| [17:06:54] | ** sid3windr has a 1160 and a 1120 ** | |
| [17:07:03] | sid3windr: | DDR2 is cheap as hell :) |
| [17:07:19] | wagnerrp: | its a older opteron, DDR1 is not so cheap |
| [17:07:28] | sid3windr: | true that |
| [17:07:36] | sid3windr: | well I just bought a few sticks |
| [17:07:45] | sid3windr: | 25 eur for 1G DDR |
| [17:07:53] | sid3windr: | (on ebay) |
| [17:08:03] | sid3windr: | I also bought a few at work, for our old opteron |
| [17:08:06] | sid3windr: | 60 eur/1G |
| [17:08:29] | sid3windr: | apparently there's some sh^H^Htrickery with the very old ones about the number of memory banks they support and such ;) |
| [17:08:36] | wagnerrp: | $80 for 2GB on newegg.... i just picked up 4GB DDR2 for my desktop for half that |
| [17:08:50] | sid3windr: | yeah indeed :) |
| [17:09:13] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i have a 1xx series opteron, so its basically a rebranded Ath64 X2 |
| [17:09:21] | wagnerrp: | i believe it has that memory bank issue |
| [17:09:27] | sid3windr: | I don't remember what I have, it's shut down atm |
| [17:09:30] | wagnerrp: | cannot have 8 full banks at full speed or something |
| [17:09:32] | sid3windr: | but I have a 1xx something too :) |
| [17:09:36] | sid3windr: | yup |
| [17:09:45] | sid3windr: | so the ram I ordered was single bank or something |
| [17:09:46] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [17:09:53] | sid3windr: | it'll be the last upgrade this thing gets |
| [17:09:56] | sid3windr: | it's already 6 years old or so |
| [17:10:01] | sid3windr: | just repurposing it now :) |
| [17:10:05] | wagnerrp: | i seem to remember something about it dropping to 166MHz when all four banks were double sided |
| [17:10:11] | sid3windr: | 1G->4G DDR, 2x 73G on 3Ware -> 2x 500G on Areca |
| [17:10:43] | wagnerrp: | 73GB? scsi or sas? |
| [17:11:03] | sid3windr: | wd raptor |
| [17:11:07] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [17:11:12] | sid3windr: | no SAS 6 years ago ;) |
| [17:11:27] | wagnerrp: | theres hardly a point to hardware raid for two drives anyway |
| [17:11:36] | sid3windr: | I like hardware raid and hotswap |
| [17:11:45] | sid3windr: | I'm also not sure if that motherboard even has an onboard sata ctl |
| [17:11:52] | sid3windr: | hm, no, it must have |
| [17:12:06] | sid3windr: | it was a tyan barebone and they won't be fitting a board into a sata hotswap 1U chassis that doesnt do SATA will they =) |
| [17:12:11] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i think any 939 board you could get had SATA |
| [17:12:40] | sid3windr: | anyway, it's on a 3Ware 8000 now, which will definitely bork with 500G disks |
| [17:12:47] | sid3windr: | and I dislike 3ware muchmuch :p |
| [17:13:14] | wagnerrp: | really? i dont know if my friend has a 8000 or 9000, but i thought his could handle disks that large |
| [17:13:30] | wagnerrp: | i mean i think hes currently running with disks that large |
| [17:13:59] | sid3windr: | but his disks aren't new I guess |
| [17:14:19] | sid3windr: | my supplier said it would be unlikely that the newest firmware of such an old card could cope with the newest firmware on brand new disks |
| [17:14:25] | wagnerrp: | i dont know, that was just where he was at about 2 years ago |
| [17:14:44] | sid3windr: | and I believe them, they have a LOT of experience in building servers and have saved my ass numerous times with tips =) |
| [17:15:00] | sid3windr: | I also don't like 3dm :] |
| [17:15:26] | anykey_: | What could cause this error when running Trunk (DVB-T reception): "Failed to initialize multiplex options" |
| [17:15:31] | wagnerrp: | 3dm.. never heard of em |
| [17:16:10] | wagnerrp: | oh.. 3ware's raid management tool |
| [17:16:50] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr: i do admit, i absolutely love the OOB webpage for my areca |
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| [17:17:06] | sid3windr: | unfortunately their smaller controllers don't have their own ethernet :] |
| [17:17:30] | sid3windr: | anykey_: your tuner works with other software? |
| [17:17:42] | wagnerrp: | that alone was worth getting the 1230 over the 1220 |
| [17:17:56] | anykey_: | sid3windr: yes, I can get a lock with tzap and I can watch something using cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 |
| [17:18:37] | sid3windr: | wagnerrp: well, that and the fact you'd have run out of ports already longer time ago :> |
| [17:18:48] | sid3windr: | anykey_: hmm, do you have anything special in the settings of the multiplex? |
| [17:19:28] | anykey_: | sid3windr: no, I just did a blind scan. Here's the tzap channels.conf and dtv_multiplex: http://pastebin.com/m497ebb6f |
| [17:19:37] | sid3windr: | hm, don't mknow much more to say ;: |
| [17:19:38] | sid3windr: | ;/ |
| [17:27:16] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr: if i had the mirror on the motherboard, i would be exactly full currently |
| [17:27:35] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [17:27:51] | sid3windr: | [10|18:02:34] < wagnerrp> ...not on this board though, im out of onboard ports currently |
| [17:28:20] | wagnerrp: | well... i would have just spread out the other recording disks to my other backend |
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| [17:38:24] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: around? |
| [17:38:29] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: yep |
| [17:38:42] | sphery: | any chance you want to test the backup/restore scripts? :D |
| [17:38:52] | sphery: | You're running Qt 4.5.0, right? |
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| [17:39:28] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Still running the rc, would need to compile the release |
| [17:39:42] | iamlindoro_: | I can do that this morning and test the scripts when I get home, though |
| [17:40:09] | sphery: | Basically, I need someone with Qt 4.5.0 to drop their MythTV database, run mc.sql, then try to start mythtv-setup and see if they get the error: This command is not supported in the prepared statement protocol yet |
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| [17:40:27] | sphery: | then drop the database, run mc.sql, then do a restore... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [17:40:41] | sphery: | (i.e. do a one-time test of new-DB creation) |
| [17:41:24] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Wonder if the Qt 4.5 compile error from last month still exists |
| [17:41:30] | iamlindoro_: | 4.5 + myth, that is |
| [17:41:54] | iamlindoro_: | my version was old enough that I didn't see it, but the release has the offending code (qvariant.h IIRC) |
| [17:42:53] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: that was post Jan 2, right? It's only worth testing if QMYSQLResult::reset() at src/sql/drivers/mysql/qsql_mysql.cpp +640 starts like: http://pastebin.ca/1357499 (specifically line 6 ) |
| [17:43:11] | wagnerrp: | seems ffmpeg 0.5 was finally released |
| [17:43:32] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Yeah, I'm musing on something unrelated to the Mysql stuff |
| [17:43:41] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I'm just going to compile the release as I should anyway |
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| [17:44:32] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: cool... j-rod may be doing an alternate test for me, so ask before dropping your DB. |
| [17:45:01] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Won't get to it until the mid-PM anyway so he may beat me to it |
| [17:45:12] | sphery: | yeah... |
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| [17:46:11] | sphery: | that's cool. I actually planned to stop working on this an hour ago (even shut down my dev box), but got a PM from someone who spurred some conversation leading to my finding a bug from 2005 that seems to have been re-introduced |
| [17:46:27] | sphery: | (Guess Trolltech or Nokia isn't much into regression tests :) |
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| [17:48:26] | iamlindoro_: | I hate it when people distribute GPL code as big fat .bin files that you're supposed to make executable and run |
| [17:48:33] | iamlindoro_: | I guess this is to make it... friendly? |
| [17:49:36] | sid3windr: | installshield all over again |
| [17:50:23] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: no joke... |
| [17:51:44] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: Though I recently found out that ATI's installer has an option to (only) extract the package... Because of it, I may actually be able to make their package work on my 64-bit system (which is not a multilib system--multilib being the only configuration their installer supports) |
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| [17:57:35] | ** iamlindoro_ waits for the 344 MB blob o' source to download ** | |
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| [18:07:21] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: is 4.5.1 actually out? |
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| [18:07:32] | iamlindoro_: | No, but you will cause it if you go around fixing things ;) |
| [18:07:39] | sphery: | Oh.... |
| [18:08:04] | sphery: | Though, really, if you already have a DB, you should be good. So, only newbies will have to update. :) |
| [18:08:21] | sphery: | (actually, that's not necessarily true--you should be good for a while, at least :) |
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| [18:08:33] | sphery: | I guess the bug could cause an error at any time. |
| [18:08:39] | iamlindoro_: | This Qt installer is icky |
| [18:08:54] | iamlindoro_: | it was as of the last beta still a nice regular compile and install |
| [18:10:22] | sphery: | d'oh... forgot to take ccache out of my path, so now I'm filling up the cache with useless instructions |
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| [18:13:17] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: http://rafb.net/p/ZVmIVd77.html |
| [18:14:03] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:14:04] | sphery: | nice |
| [18:14:16] | iamlindoro_: | Now *that* is funny. |
| [18:14:17] | sphery: | I downloaded qt source only... |
| [18:14:35] | sphery: | wonder if the SDK stuff (dev tools) have some non-GPL license... |
| [18:14:47] | gbee: | packages ftw |
| [18:15:01] | sphery: | no one makes packages for my distro |
| [18:15:11] | sphery: | (of course, no one else uses my distro...) |
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| [18:19:25] | outlier: | How do you import multiple-part VOB's into mythvideo? |
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| [18:21:34] | kormoc: | As an ISO? |
| [18:22:02] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Holy cow, finding the source only bit was a pain |
| [18:22:34] | outlier: | kormoc: Hmmm isnt' there a way to just treat the directory as a single movie? |
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| [18:23:08] | wagnerrp: | outlier: i imagine the dvd access is done that way, considering a new drive is nothing more than a folder to most *nix programs |
| [18:23:10] | Anduin: | outlier: if the names are similar and you pick the first one it should attempt to chain them (in the 'item to always play next'), you can do it manually as well (and remember to save) |
| [18:23:29] | Anduin: | outlier: a VIDEO_TS directory |
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| [18:23:53] | iamlindoro_: | Which assumes you have left the other structure intact |
| [18:23:56] | Anduin: | it will expect more than just vobs though |
| [18:24:01] | iamlindoro_: | and not just copied out the files you wanted |
| [18:24:20] | wagnerrp: | outlier: it may be easier to try to just extract the mpeg out |
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| [18:24:25] | iamlindoro_: | another possibility is cat'ing the VOBs together and doing an ffmpeg stream copy into an .mpg |
| [18:24:31] | wagnerrp: | unless you actually want the bonus features |
| [18:24:56] | iamlindoro_: | cat 1.vob 2.vob 3.vob 4.vob > file.vob && ffmpeg -i file.vob -acodec copy -vcodec copy outfile.mpg |
| [18:25:04] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro_: how would that work with dvds with multiple angles? |
| [18:25:10] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: poorly? ;) |
| [18:25:11] | outlier: | don't want bonus features – just trying to get a bunch of 1GB vobs to play in sequence and appear as a single item in the directory. |
| [18:25:19] | wagnerrp: | i remember having some trouble with Tombstone initially because it had multiple angles |
| [18:25:38] | wagnerrp: | it would play a couple seconds, play those couple seconds over, repeat... |
| [18:25:51] | wagnerrp: | rather disturbing actually |
| [18:26:33] | wagnerrp: | outlier: than just pull the mpeg into a single file using the aforementioned method |
| [18:26:36] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: sorry... I had the link right here, but didn't know you needed it. |
| [18:26:42] | wagnerrp: | except for the rare disk, it should work fine |
| [18:26:44] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: it's okay, found it |
| [18:27:15] | wagnerrp: | just pull out the longest sequence of VOBs, chances are thats the movie |
| [18:27:19] | outlier: | OK – thank folks |
| [18:28:17] | wagnerrp: | i imagine that will pull with all the additional audio tracks too |
| [18:28:36] | wagnerrp: | i dont know how to go about stripping those out with ffmpeg |
| [18:28:42] | iamlindoro_: | with -map |
| [18:29:26] | wagnerrp: | '-i' should list out what all the tracks are in the source file |
| [18:30:22] | iamlindoro_: | though the command above should work for 99% of cases and just "do the right thing" |
| [18:30:42] | iamlindoro_: | for sanity's sake, though, as kormoc mentioned, ISO is the way to go |
| [18:30:51] | wagnerrp: | that will only pull out the first track? |
| [18:31:17] | iamlindoro_: | -map 0.0:0 -map 0.1:1 |
| [18:31:26] | iamlindoro_: | should give you the first video and audio |
| [18:31:45] | iamlindoro_: | (That's working form memory on the syntax, but I'm fairly cure that's right) |
| [18:31:47] | iamlindoro_: | sure |
| [18:32:00] | iamlindoro_: | and "from" |
| [18:32:43] | wagnerrp: | ive been pulling out the commentary track (when it existed) whenever i do a rip |
| [18:32:45] | iamlindoro_: | I'm still tickled by being asked for my license key to compile GPL software |
| [18:32:54] | wagnerrp: | but i really dont know why... ive never actually listened to one |
| [18:32:58] | outlier: | I'm doing what you suggested above. For some reason, I had it in my head you could import a folder into mythvideo and it would play the content. |
| [18:33:08] | iamlindoro_: | outlier: As anduin mentioned, you can |
| [18:33:16] | sphery: | Guess I'll need to update #5759 after [20167]... Lot of work considering I have don't really care about the patch, myself. |
| [18:33:21] | iamlindoro_: | outlier: but you need to have retained the full contents of the VIDEO_TS |
| [18:33:26] | iamlindoro_: | not just a collection of VOBs |
| [18:33:36] | iamlindoro_: | ie all the IFOs |
| [18:33:50] | wagnerrp: | such that mythtv now treats the directory as a dvd |
| [18:33:52] | outlier: | This is just a bunch of vobs though |
| [18:34:10] | iamlindoro_: | Then you can't have it treated as a single file |
| [18:34:20] | iamlindoro_: | because someone threw out the necessary stuff |
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| [18:35:25] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: So you're saying there's useful information in the DVD InFOrmation files? |
| [18:35:50] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Please try to restrain your shock |
| [18:36:13] | sphery: | Does make me wonder if you could delete the backup's (BUP's) |
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| [18:36:35] | sphery: | not that it would be worth the couple of kB you'd save... |
| [18:37:12] | iamlindoro_: | If it doesn't have the sweet sweet video bits it must be useless |
| [18:37:21] | Dagmar: | Tsk tsk. Every inode is sacred |
| [18:37:39] | sphery: | Dagmar: Inode that, but I forgot. :) |
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| [18:39:00] | sphery: | I guess if you keep the BUP's, you could still play back the DVD rip even after you get a scratch on your hard drive... |
| [18:39:21] | ** iamlindoro_ sends sphery to bad joke rehab ** | |
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| [18:39:44] | sphery: | happens when I have a project to work on but am stuck waiting on a long compile |
| [18:39:54] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: The Qt4.5 compile? |
| [18:39:58] | sphery: | yeah |
| [18:40:04] | iamlindoro_: | I'm waiting on it too |
| [18:40:08] | sphery: | is your supercomputer done with it, yet? |
| [18:40:19] | iamlindoro_: | I imagine if I had been more selective with the configure options it would be much faster |
| [18:40:36] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I only put the dangerous stuff on the upstairs frontend/slave backend :) |
| [18:40:58] | iamlindoro_: | Will just temporarily make it a master backend for your test |
| [18:44:34] | sphery: | you could actually just test it as a separate system with some careful mysql.txt-foo |
| [18:44:54] | sphery: | though I'll be able to do the test myself once I compile, so you can skip it |
| [18:45:15] | sphery: | (I'll need to do the test, anyway, for the trial-and-error involved in making the patch.) |
| [18:45:34] | iamlindoro_: | ok... well, will be running the release version if you need someone else to test |
| [18:45:45] | sphery: | thx |
| [18:45:47] | iamlindoro_: | Still can't recall if the qvariant thing is fixed |
| [18:46:04] | iamlindoro_: | I was under the impression that it hadn't been |
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| [18:57:09] | gbee: | ugh, copying over 160Gb from a USB Drive is _slow_, left it over an hour ago to get something to eat |
| [18:57:50] | wagnerrp: | thats why you usually get one that also supports firewire or esata |
| [18:57:57] | gbee: | 77% :/ |
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| [18:58:37] | gbee: | wagnerrp: bought this 18 months ago when my machine featured neither firewire or esata |
| [18:58:46] | gbee: | nor |
| [18:59:00] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [18:59:10] | wagnerrp: | my external 300GB has firewire... but my desktop does not |
| [18:59:20] | wagnerrp: | causes great pain whenever i want to do bulk transfers |
| [18:59:46] | iamlindoro_: | We purchase a few external drives at work every few months. Always the exact same manufacturer and product number... but every 4–6 months the drive comes with USB + $DifferentInterfaceFromBefore |
| [19:00:12] | gbee: | was also bought as a work requirement at very short notice, so I did no research and picked the first one I found off the shelf |
| [19:00:17] | iamlindoro_: | It was USB only for a while... then USB + Firewire.... then USB + Firewire + Firewire 800... This month's batch was USB + eSATA |
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| [19:00:45] | gbee: | it's a nice little portable one, which is why I'll hold onto it, but it's so damn slow :/ |
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| [19:29:07] | anykey_: | sorry for asking again, but does anyone know a cause of this error message? "Failed to initialize multiplex options" |
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| [19:29:48] | wagnerrp: | dont worry about asking again |
| [19:30:01] | wagnerrp: | you waited over 2 hours, plenty of time for people to cycle in and out |
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| [19:30:18] | wagnerrp: | unlike some people who ask 3 times in 10 minutes, and then promptly leave |
| [19:30:58] | anykey_: | well, I'm running trunk, guess I'm supposed to fix errors myself ;) |
| [19:31:32] | _gunni_: | Is there a way to stream videos (avi, mpeg ...) from the backend? I know mythvideo, but that does show local available videos (nfs share). I would like a way to save videos on the backend, play them on any frontend (and maybe mythweb) without fiddling with nfs. |
| [19:32:03] | GreyFoxx: | _gunni_: svn trunk supports that |
| [19:32:08] | GreyFoxx: | but not 0.21-fixes |
| [19:34:19] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: I'm waiting for people to realize you can't have Storage GRoups w/ External players and freaaaaaaaaaaak ouuuuuuuuuuuut |
| [19:34:49] | _gunni_: | GreyFoxx: Thx, good info. Even i have to wait, but knowing it will work in future is a good thing. |
| [19:35:02] | GreyFoxx: | Well if I get off my butt and finish what I started that might not be a problem :) |
| [19:35:37] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: IMO your ISO/Video_ts solution should just become a hard and fast dependency |
| [19:35:48] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Because it allows us to eventually go SG-only |
| [19:36:05] | iamlindoro_: | (The sooner the better) |
| [19:36:06] | anykey_: | hm, the problem must be somewhere in DTVMultiplex::ParseTuningParams |
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| [19:40:05] | anykey_: | got it, bandwidth field was not populated... |
| [19:40:16] | anykey_: | seems like the channel scanner forgets about that |
| [19:40:40] | gbee: | IMHO we need to go SG only otherwise setup is confusing |
| [19:41:20] | iamlindoro_: | Not that I'm necessarily entitled to an opinion, but I agree |
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| [19:42:18] | gbee: | but we also need frontend only storage groups for connected media – CDs/USB/SD etc |
| [19:42:57] | iamlindoro_: | and a) a means to move files between storage groups and b) a way to stream a file into a SG |
| [19:42:59] | gbee: | not sure how that would all work, but I guess it must have occurred to Captain_Murdoch and GreyFoxx |
| [19:44:01] | iamlindoro_: | I had understood Captain_Murdoch has some storage group move code (or some work towards that) already done, but would like to ping him on it when he appears next |
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| [19:44:53] | iamlindoro_: | Which may or may not lay out some of the groundwork for the "stream in" stuff |
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| [20:01:08] | tony426: | for some reason, i keep having to run mythfill because i lose my settings. is this nornmal? |
| [20:01:36] | kormoc: | lose your settings? |
| [20:01:37] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [20:02:10] | iamlindoro_: | Mythfilldatabase doesn't even petain to settings |
| [20:02:15] | iamlindoro_: | pertain, that is |
| [20:02:54] | iamlindoro_: | mythfilldatabase pulls in Television listings info, that's it |
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| [20:09:10] | tony426: | ok, disregard that. let me rephrase. i startup the frontend and click "watch tv" and nothing. so i start up mythfill and my settings have changed |
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| [20:09:36] | tony426: | is there a well known cause for this? |
| [20:09:37] | kormoc: | is your hostname changing? |
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| [20:10:21] | iamlindoro_: | I'm still not clear on what it is you mean by "my settings have changed" |
| [20:10:27] | tony426: | not that i know of. it's localhost |
| [20:10:45] | kormoc: | and you only have one mythbox/frontend? |
| [20:11:03] | tony426: | i start mythfill and it seems my 1800 is selected instead of my 150, so when i set all this back, i get tv again |
| [20:11:18] | kormoc: | so delete your 150? |
| [20:11:22] | tony426: | yes, one frontend |
| [20:11:45] | tony426: | if anything, i'd delete my 1800. but not sure if that will solve it |
| [20:11:54] | kormoc: | ooh |
| [20:12:05] | kormoc: | well, whatever doesn't work likely shouldn't be there |
| [20:15:27] | sphery: | do you mean mythtv-setup, rather than mythfilldatabase? |
| [20:16:10] | tony426: | yes, stupid me |
| [20:16:43] | iamlindoro_: | It's much easier to solve problems when we don't have to get a half dozen of us to put your question together for you |
| [20:17:03] | sphery: | that means that either your hostname/identifier is changing or your ~/.mythtv/config.xml and/or one of the mysql.txt files is broken/not being saved |
| [20:18:46] | JEDIDIAH__: | anyone else have problems using forward-skip with the vdpau version of the frontend? |
| [20:18:56] | ** JEDIDIAH__ is playing with his first m2ts file ** | |
| [20:20:00] | tony426: | i don't think it'd be my hostname. could i set my config.xml as read only once it's set? |
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| [20:25:01] | kormoc: | chmod a-w config.xml |
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| [20:26:08] | fbnts: | Hi, is there a way to get mythtv frontend to popup a warning on loss of the DVB signal? |
| [20:26:56] | tony426: | thanks, i'll give it a shot |
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| [20:28:51] | iamlindoro_: | fbnts: The picture going away isn't an adequate signal? |
| [20:30:05] | iamlindoro_: | I suppose you could write a script to use one of the DVB-apps to periodically test the signal and pop up a message using xosd if it went away, but implementing that in myth itself would be silly |
| [20:30:32] | fbnts: | nope – its not very often I watch liveTV |
| [20:30:55] | fbnts: | its when I come to watch all last nights recorded programmes that I notice they are all blank |
| [20:30:58] | iamlindoro_: | The better solution is to solve the problem by which the signal goes away |
| [20:31:39] | fbnts: | yep, I intend to (need to fix a load of dodgy cabling) |
| [20:31:53] | fbnts: | just wondered if there was something in-built |
| [20:31:59] | iamlindoro_: | nope. nothing built in |
| [20:32:21] | kormoc: | what would a warning actually give you? |
| [20:32:38] | sphery: | have it page the sys admin |
| [20:33:04] | sphery: | kormoc: I think I'm going to ignore the -fixes tmdb.pl conversion (at least until I see how it's done in trunk) |
| [20:33:08] | fbnts: | just a banner on the front-ends saying something like "Warning: DVB signal lost" |
| [20:33:19] | kormoc: | sp ypi |
| [20:33:34] | kormoc: | so you'd have a pile of popups? How's that exactly help? |
| [20:34:12] | sphery: | then he has something to do for the 2 hours he would have been watching the previous night's failed recordings--he can hit the SELECT button a million times :) |
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| [20:38:00] | fbnts: | well it would be telling me while im watching a recording that I need to check the cables for a currently recording programme |
| [20:38:32] | kormoc: | so use mythosd and dvb-utils? |
| [20:38:58] | sphery: | or, as mentioned, fix the problem causing the bad signal |
| [20:39:00] | iamlindoro_: | This is like trying to engineer a better smoke detector while your house is on fire |
| [20:39:14] | fbnts: | like, about 20 mins ago, I was watching a programme recorded this afternoon whilst it was recording some program from 19:30 to 20:00 (the signal was not present and I didnt discover until i had finished watching my current program and went to the program guide |
| [20:39:29] | sphery: | (then fix the problem causing my "not perfect, but not bad enough to cause me to spend time trying to fix it" signal) |
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| [20:40:15] | fbnts: | yep I am in the process of that – just don't have any ladders to reach the roof to fit new arial and cabling |
| [20:41:45] | fbnts: | is there any documentation on mythosd? |
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| [20:42:46] | sphery: | fbnts: contrib/mythnotify/README |
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| [20:43:36] | sphery: | fbnts: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Setting_up_MythNotify |
| [20:44:05] | _gunni_: | I think it would make sense for timeshifting. You watch a programm, pause it for 20 minutes, and when you continue later the signal is lost, you could profit from a warning, as you can immediatly look for the cause, and loose fewer of the show. |
| [20:47:29] | fbnts: | I am using mythbuntu – is mythnotify in a particular package? I can't find it on my frontend |
| [20:50:56] | _gunni_: | fbnts: mythnotify? Or mythtvosd? |
| [20:51:44] | fbnts: | mythnotify |
| [20:52:50] | _gunni_: | You may find it with apt-file |
| [20:56:40] | _gunni_: | fbnts: There is a directory in the backend: /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/mythnotify |
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| [20:58:57] | _gunni_: | Is there a rough estimate for mythtv 0.22? (Just really rough, like 1 month, 6 month, 1 year)? |
| [20:59:56] | kormoc: | there is not |
| [21:03:13] | gbee: | _gunni_: 6 months, maybe |
| [21:04:05] | _gunni_: | gbee: thx, so i can now decide if i change to trunk, or have the patience to wait. |
| [21:05:11] | ** _gunni_ knows, that 6 month means something between 6 month and 1 day after the release of hurd ** | |
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| [21:07:27] | gbee: | give the devs a regular wage and they'll give you regular releases ;) |
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| [21:07:54] | _gunni_: | :) |
| [21:08:00] | kormoc: | by all means, I'd be glad to work full time on myth if you want to shell out... |
| [21:08:14] | iamlindoro_: | I work on myth on my company's dime all the time |
| [21:08:20] | iamlindoro_: | I just don't tell them about it |
| [21:08:22] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [21:08:24] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [21:08:34] | kormoc: | I so need a new job... |
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| [21:09:00] | kormoc: | "It'll take 5–6 months to do that" "So we'll have it in 25 days?" |
| [21:09:03] | kormoc: | ... |
| [21:09:16] | iamlindoro_: | Nobody would want to use Myth .22 if it were released today |
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| [21:09:24] | iamlindoro_: | It would make people's heads asplode |
| [21:09:50] | _gunni_: | iamlindoro_: So unusable? |
| [21:10:03] | iamlindoro_: | Not unusuable, just lots of new features that aren't done |
| [21:10:12] | gbee: | usuable, not polished |
| [21:10:12] | iamlindoro_: | Perfectly usable if you're the one working on them |
| [21:10:26] | iamlindoro_: | but it requires knowing what's done and what's not done, and being able to live with or fix it |
| [21:10:28] | gbee: | usable |
| [21:10:43] | _gunni_: | iamlindoro_: ok |
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| [21:11:27] | iamlindoro_: | I use trunk in production right now because a) the backend is perfectly stable and b) it makes me work on the stuff I haven't finished yet when I have to live with it |
| [21:11:43] | iamlindoro_: | Not that I'm a dev, but on the contributions I'm working on |
| [21:19:18] | ** JEDIDIAH__ agrees with IAL regarding the 0.22 exploding head bit. ** | |
| [21:20:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | OTOH, 11% cpu usage for a BD rip is really cool. |
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| [21:24:04] | dashs: | Thanks to Wagnerrp and Dagmar last evening — went back thru the dialogs and found a problem. Can now watch some TV (need to change lineup). |
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| [22:21:32] | andreax: | Is there a shellscript anywhere that kills the frontend if xscreenserver is blanked ? |
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| [22:23:06] | gbee: | huh? |
| [22:24:06] | Dibblah: | To expound on that somewhat terse answer, why on earth would you want to do that? |
| [22:24:51] | mzb_d800: | so that mythwelcome shuts down the machine? |
| [22:25:08] | andreax: | Ive a perl script that kills the frontend, when xscreensaver-command -watch returns a blank or lock. This is nice for getting back to mythwelcome after the sleeptimer is at 0. So my external backend and the frontend could shutdown after i fall asleep.... |
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| [22:25:40] | andreax: | but it seems i cant autostart the perl-script from kde in ~/.kde/Autostart/ – no idea why... |
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| [22:27:51] | andreax: | If i invoke it within the xsession all is fine. The screensaver blanks and kicks mythfrontend bringing back mythwelcome and the machine would shutdown. |
| [22:29:21] | mzb_d800: | does it work if you wrap it in bash? |
| [22:30:14] | mzb_d800: | s/sh |
| [22:30:28] | andreax: | Calling it from inside a shell-script you mean? |
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| [22:31:23] | mzb_d800: | yes |
| [22:32:21] | gbee: | mythwelcome is still a mystery to me |
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| [22:32:54] | andreax: | No seems not – ive not any idea why... :( |
| [22:32:59] | mzb_d800: | I've been struggling to find a good use for it ;) |
| [22:33:15] | mzb_d800: | have you marked it as executable? |
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| [22:33:26] | mzb_d800: | got your shebang in? |
| [22:33:32] | mzb_d800: | #!/bin/sh |
| [22:33:36] | mzb_d800: | (or bash) |
| [22:34:35] | andreax: | Yes and yes... Is there a logfile for whats going on in Autostart of kde ? |
| [22:34:58] | gbee: | seems that the functionality that mythwelcome offers could just as easily be in the frontend, but that I have to believe that it wasn't done that way for a reason |
| [22:35:10] | mzb_d800: | for sanity, just put echo '#!/bin/sh\nlogger "Autostart script working."' >> ~/.kde/Autostart/testme.sh |
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| [22:35:29] | mzb_d800: | gbee: agreed |
| [22:35:42] | mzb_d800: | that's why I'm trying to find a use for it ;) |
| [22:35:50] | mzb_d800: | does have some good points |
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| [22:36:42] | mzb_d800: | but I've only found real utility from it when used on a standalone box |
| [22:36:59] | mzb_d800: | (assuming hibernate and wakeup work correctly!!!) |
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| [22:37:13] | andreax: | Its not that i really need mythwelcome. Except for the remote frontend for bros that he can switch on the frontend via remote control... |
| [22:37:53] | Dibblah: | Heh. |
| [22:38:26] | Dibblah: | I've just found out why my FE will reboot when resumed from STR. |
| [22:38:33] | Dibblah: | ... It's the monitor. |
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| [22:38:52] | Dibblah: | If attached via the VGA cable, I get a reboot. HDMI, it's fine. |
| [22:38:52] | mzb_d800: | VGA IRQ? |
| [22:39:05] | mzb_d800: | (as in ... wake on VGA IRQ?) |
| [22:39:30] | Dibblah: | Fairly sure it's some nasty code in the ROM which runs on resume. |
| [22:39:56] | Dibblah: | Wake on USB |
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| [22:45:06] | andreax: | Something is wrong here.... even that simple script wont start.... |
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| [22:50:57] | mzb_d800: | marked executable? |
| [22:51:30] | andreax: | lol, im such an idiot... I wasnt in a kde session... .(( |
| [22:51:34] | andreax: | Thankyou alot! |
| [22:52:27] | andreax: | Now all is working fine (after changing session back to kde)... |
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| [23:02:56] | paul-h: | gbee: mythwelcome is needed because the BE will never shutdown if mythfrontend is running or more accurately the BE has something connected to it that blocks shutdown like the FE does |
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| [23:05:45] | paul-h: | if a system starts up automatically to record something you don't want the FE to run because it will never shutdown when finished recording but you do want a way for a user to start the FE which is what mythwelcome does |
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| [23:09:15] | andreax: | Yeah, i use it as following: I switch the timer to any time, when its back to zero, it kicks me back to mainmenu. The script with xscreensaver checks if the screensaver is active. If so, it kills the frontend, so im back to mythwelcome and both the frontend and the backend can shutdown while i sleep (till the next recording)... |
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| [23:12:01] | andreax: | The nicer way would be if the sleeptimer ends the frontend instead of bringing me back to main menu... but its just imho. |
| [23:13:56] | paul-h: | andreax: yep, that would be a nice feature to have – just needs someone to do the patch :-) |
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| [23:17:55] | andreax: | paul-h: The solution with the xscreensaver isnt that bad... My c++ exp. isnt that great to do it... :) Ive tried it but it was a lousy dirty hack.... |
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| [23:20:13] | gbee: | paul-h: one way around that would be for the frontend to have an idle state which it enters automatically after a given time |
| [23:21:02] | gbee: | seems like a much smoother experience if all that stuff was part of the frontend rather than having to start/stop the frontend instead |
| [23:21:05] | andreax: | That would be great.... |
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| [23:22:36] | andreax: | So the sleeptimer function could stay as they is... But im not sure if its easy to do. Will the sleeptimer kick you always back to main menu, even you watch recordings (i never tried) ? |
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| [23:26:33] | paul-h: | gbee: when I wrote mythwelcome many moons ago the thought that you may want to shut a computer down when it wasn't needed was met from most people with ridicule so mythwelcome allowd |
| [23:27:32] | clever: | ive found that if i try to shutdown the frontend from mythfrontend(it asks on exit) it refuses if ANY backend is busy |
| [23:27:40] | paul-h: | ... the few people who wanted it to use it |
| [23:27:44] | clever: | but mythwelcome doesnt have that crazy limit |
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| [23:37:11] | gbee: | clever: that's not a limitation which can't easily be fixed |
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| [23:38:07] | gbee: | since even paul-h is not offering reasons why it couldn't/shouldn't be done you can assume that there is no reason not to merge mythwelcome functionality into the frontend as an optional feature |
| [23:38:23] | gbee: | which would greatly simplify things for those who use it |
| [23:39:06] | gbee: | and make code maintenance easier |
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| [23:42:51] | clever: | mythfrontend seems to use alot more ram then mythwelcome |
| [23:43:04] | clever: | leaving just welcome up when idle seems like a better idea |
| [23:43:40] | clever: | mythwelcome is at ~8mb resident when idle |
| [23:44:02] | clever: | mythfrontend, ~41mb |
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| [23:46:20] | gbee: | sorry, that's an argument against it ... why? |
| [23:46:30] | clever: | against merging them |
| [23:46:35] | gbee: | why? |
| [23:47:16] | clever: | leaving the memory hog(frontend) open all day&night will affect the performance of everything else on the system |
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| [23:47:25] | iamlindoro: | 41 MB = memory hog? |
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| [23:47:50] | clever: | iamlindoro: its ~4 times more then mythwelcome when idle |
| [23:47:57] | gbee: | no forget that argument iamlindoro, we're talking about dedicated mythtv boxes here |
| [23:48:12] | gbee: | could use 1000Mb, doesn't affect anything |
| [23:48:21] | clever: | it could affect mysqld :P |
| [23:48:28] | iamlindoro: | gbee, I was being ironic :) |
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| [23:49:37] | gbee: | clever: if it affects mysqld then you aren't going to be able to use the frontend, which would be the real problem |
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| [23:51:49] | gbee: | this is all hypothetical, I don't have the time to spend on it right now, but from a design/UI pov it's the right thing to do IMHO |
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| [23:52:41] | clever: | would it be posible to get mythwelcome type status(next/curr recording) in the side of a menu in mythfrontend? |
| [23:52:51] | clever: | similar to how the clock is there on every screen |
| [23:54:21] | gbee: | sure |
| [23:54:44] | clever: | thats one less reason to keep mythwelcome then:) |
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| [23:56:02] | tony426: | idk why but i keep getting no sound sometimes. using pvr150 and v4l or ivtv, i've tried all the options on the frontend general options i know |
| [23:56:42] | tony426: | could it be a problem with alsa, pulseaudio, oss, jacks, photon, etc? |
| [23:57:17] | tony426: | also, why do distros implement so many audio servers and whatnot? |
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| [23:58:11] | gbee: | because alsa sucks |
| [23:59:07] | tony426: | why? |
| [23:59:22] | tony426: | i've heard oss sucks also, along with pulseaudio |
| [23:59:24] | gbee: | pulseaudio is supposed to paper over the cracks in alsa – but these are massive cracks so ultimately it doesn't work |
| [23:59:35] | gbee: | OSS4 definately does not suck |
| [23:59:52] | at0m|werk: | gbee: while putting AV totally out of sync :] |
| [23:59:58] | gbee: | but in-kernel OSS is years old, so yeah, it sucks too |
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