| Sunday, March 8th, 2009, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:13] | iamlindoro: | and start thinking up a suitable apology note |
| [00:00:36] | mzb_d800: | I was thinking I might skip to the end and just get her a silver stake ;) |
| [00:05:06] | mzb_d800: | btw, I've not noticed any talk in here about the Seagate firmware bug ... I've just been bitten |
| [00:05:19] | mzb_d800: | Model checker: http://support.seagate.com/modelcheck/modelcheck.jsp |
| [00:05:19] | mzb_d800: | Serial checker: https://apps1.seagate.com/rms_af_srl_chk/rms_ . . . ck_index.jsp |
| [00:05:36] | tony426_: | can myth save my recorded tv with names according to the guide? |
| [00:06:08] | mzb_d800: | strangely enough my RocketRaid 1520 still sees it, but I can't update the firmware so that the motherboard does too (pita as I'm trying to move the RR out of the box!) |
| [00:07:06] | ** mzb_d800 starts looking for a hdd jumper .... ** | |
| [00:10:21] | tony426_: | the build i dl'ed is certainly better in image quality for some reason |
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| [00:22:33] | mzb_d800: | tony426: google for mythrename.pl with the link option |
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| [00:26:46] | tony426_: | doesn't look like it renames according to shows |
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| [00:27:13] | mzb_d800: | look harder (link option!) |
| [00:30:21] | tony426_: | oh, ok. thanks. i'll give it a shot |
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| [01:29:52] | JEDIDIAH__: | myth has the guide information. You can save/rename the recordings to whatever names you like. |
| [01:31:52] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...and yes, mythrename.pl will rename stuff based on show. |
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| [02:07:04] | thedarkone: | hello can i make a ir blaster cable with a old remote and a mono cable for my mce remote? |
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| [02:11:37] | wagnerrp: | thedarkone: cant say for sure, but my mce blasters dont look like anything more than an LED wired into a mono plug |
| [02:11:58] | thedarkone: | i can't get it to change channels |
| [02:12:05] | thedarkone: | on my motorolla |
| [02:12:06] | thedarkone: | box |
| [02:13:11] | thedarkone: | maybe i have led backwards |
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| [02:33:45] | mzb_d800: | sounds more like a receiver (only) |
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| [02:37:01] | thedarkone: | whatz u mean reciver only |
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| [02:42:18] | wagnerrp: | mzb_d800: the mceusb2 receivers all have two ports on the back, for two optional ir blasters |
| [02:44:53] | mike_hurley: | so i rip the Main Title of a dvd to vob, then use mencoder to copy the audio/vidoe as-is (no transcoding, use -oac copy -ovc copy) to avi but then fast forward beyond 3x and subtitles won't work. i then ripped Star Wars Main Title to iso and i could fast forward all i liked but it would loop 3 times over the "in a galaxy far far away" and the yellow story text before ff through the rest of... |
| [02:44:55] | mike_hurley: | ...the movie. any ideas what i'm missing? |
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| [02:45:22] | mzb_d800: | kk |
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| [02:50:03] | thedarkone: | if i do this it changes |
| [02:50:12] | thedarkone: | irsend -d /dev/lircd SEND_ONCE dct2524 3 |
| [02:50:21] | thedarkone: | goes to chanel 3 |
| [02:51:16] | thedarkone: | but in frontend it will not change channel |
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| [03:09:12] | ale783: | hi |
| [03:09:57] | ale783: | could mythtv be installed on appletv as a server and a frontend? |
| [03:10:36] | wagnerrp: | server... there would be no point since it has little storage and no internal tuners |
| [03:11:08] | wagnerrp: | frontend... there would be even less point because it has marginal power for video decoding |
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| [03:14:20] | wagnerrp: | so while yes... you could feasibly install linux, and a backend and frontend on an apple tv |
| [03:14:28] | wagnerrp: | there are certainly better uses of your time |
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| [03:15:51] | thedarkone: | do u have to add remote controls for ir blaster to ./mythtv/licrc file? |
| [03:16:26] | iamlindoro: | no, but if you're IR blasting you'll need to write a ir blaster script and attach it to the tuner in question |
| [03:17:15] | thedarkone: | oh |
| [03:17:30] | eddie700: | <eddie700> since i updated mythdora 10.21 mythtv will not let be schedule any recording even manual record |
| [03:17:41] | thedarkone: | iamlindoro were could one find that |
| [03:18:24] | iamlindoro: | in the manual |
| [03:18:34] | iamlindoro: | all of this is covered int he manual and on the wiki |
| [03:19:13] | Dagmar: | People don't come in here to be told about the documentation |
| [03:19:18] | Dagmar: | They come in here to be read to like children. |
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| [04:12:08] | thedarkone: | iamlindoro you around? |
| [04:12:25] | thedarkone: | can u tell me if this is right |
| [04:12:28] | thedarkone: | http://pastebin.ca/1355605 |
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| [04:35:45] | JEDIDIAH__: | short of something that you would need vdpau for anyways, an appletv is more than adequate as a frontend. |
| [04:36:13] | JEDIDIAH__: | with recent trunks, my appletv seems snappier than my minis. |
| [04:36:23] | JEDIDIAH__: | I suspect it's an nvidia vs. intel thing. |
| [04:36:24] | wagnerrp: | can it even play HD mpeg2? |
| [04:36:33] | wagnerrp: | its a crappy single core 1GHz chip |
| [04:36:57] | JEDIDIAH__: | a respectable GPU probably helps. |
| [04:37:14] | JEDIDIAH__: | it nearly manages 720p h264 (hdpvr) |
| [04:37:17] | wagnerrp: | only if you get hardware decode acceleration |
| [04:37:20] | wagnerrp: | and youre not under linux |
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| [04:48:45] | Dagmar: | I wonder if TiVo ever gets calls from people asking if their hardware can be installed on a mac mini |
| [04:49:09] | Wayhigh: | anyone here on skype? |
| [04:49:17] | Maliuta: | eww |
| [04:49:21] | Maliuta: | get real VoIp |
| [04:49:26] | Wayhigh: | heh.. I have real voip |
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| [04:49:43] | Wayhigh: | I'm wanting to test my skypeforasterisk channel |
| [04:50:21] | Maliuta: | where did you get that ... I thought chan_skype had been ceased |
| [04:50:36] | Maliuta: | certainly nobody I know uses it |
| [04:50:43] | Maliuta: | or recommends it's use |
| [04:50:52] | Wayhigh: | it's not chan_skype.. it's the digium one.. doesn't need xwindows to work |
| [04:51:17] | wagnerrp: | Maliuta: last september, skype started beta testing an official asterisk plugin |
| [04:51:23] | Wayhigh: | ding ding ding |
| [04:51:47] | Wayhigh: | I'm part of the beta.. but I am tryin to be lazy and not create a new account for testing stuff |
| [04:52:24] | Wayhigh: | what they didn't tell people is that the plans are to eventually have the channel driver only work for skype business users |
| [04:53:10] | Maliuta: | FAIL! :) |
| [04:53:49] | Wayhigh: | I feel the same way |
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| [05:08:22] | wagnerrp: | Wayhigh: does it have its own custom access protocol? or does it just identify itself differently? |
| [05:10:55] | iamlindoro: | Ah Daylight savings night... get ready for the flood of complaints about some random 2 AM porno someone missed |
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| [05:15:47] | iamlindoro: | though Myth really handles daylight savings pretty well these days |
| [05:16:02] | wagnerrp: | looks like youre actually going to have to pay for the module itself |
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| [05:33:54] | sphery: | iamlindoro: and this DST is the easy one... There's no time period duplicated--just missed |
| [05:34:46] | sphery: | (Though if people don't set the 1-hour end late on their 2:am show with any kind of start early or pre-roll, they'll just record the start early) |
| [05:35:10] | iamlindoro: | sphery, This will somehow become myth's fault ;) |
| [05:35:15] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [05:39:10] | wagnerrp: | if you have a recording set to record an extra 5 minutes, to end at 2:05.... what would happen? |
| [05:39:51] | wagnerrp: | the end time would never hit, but would is stop recording because it was suddenly past the end time? |
| [05:41:06] | sphery: | Yeah, I'm pretty sure it would. |
| [05:41:55] | wagnerrp: | oof.... modem just kicked offline |
| [05:42:07] | sphery: | Actually, I forgot a critical thing... |
| [05:42:44] | sphery: | In the event that there's nothing following a show, mythfilldatabase extends the end time of the show to the start time of the next show |
| [05:43:28] | sphery: | so, if you're recording off of listings, no show will end at 2:00am (through 2:59am), so you could only have a 2:xxam end time if you do a manual recording |
| [05:43:48] | sphery: | So, no need for end late... |
| [05:44:49] | wagnerrp: | so it would be set to end at 2:05, get extended until 3:00, and kick offline not recording the last 5 minutes of your show? |
| [05:46:10] | sphery: | There, now I have a 3-min test recording from 1:58 to 2:01... I'll let you know how much I got tomorrow... :) |
| [05:47:07] | sphery: | No, the listings data (from provider) shows time from 1:00–2:00 and the next show is from 3:00–4:00. So, mfdb makes the 1:00 show go from 1:00–3:00. |
| [05:47:12] | wagnerrp: | mythtv should have some custom code to work around these DST issues |
| [05:47:35] | iamlindoro: | myth has a fair amount of custom code to work around DST issues already |
| [05:47:37] | wagnerrp: | i.e.: if youre recording falls across the DST boundary, the entire thing gets replaced with a static image of goatse |
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| [05:48:14] | tank-man: | nooo time thief! |
| [05:48:19] | sphery: | If the show is a 1-hour show from 1:05, then provider will either give it an end time of 2:05 or 3:05, but either way, the next show starts at 3:05, so mfdb makes sure the 1-hr show from 1:05 ends at 3:05 |
| [05:48:41] | sphery: | So, this one /really/ is the easy one. |
| [05:48:54] | sphery: | You can't break Myth on this one--unless you do manual recordings. |
| [05:49:27] | sphery: | And, actually, even manual recordings don't break... |
| [05:49:33] | tank-man: | you two made me sadder now that i know i have 1 less hour |
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| [05:50:19] | sphery: | Mine is scheduled from 1:58–3:01 (you specify a length for manuals, not end time--at least through MythWeb, and I don't feel like cycling the bulb on my TV/ssh'ing in because I have to get to bed) |
| [05:50:39] | sphery: | DST should die. |
| [05:50:50] | wagnerrp: | i agree whole heartedly |
| [05:51:05] | sphery: | Really, I hate time zones, too... UTC for everyone. I'll have my breakfast at 11:00am, thank you. |
| [05:51:25] | iamlindoro: | Earth Standard Time |
| [05:51:33] | sphery: | I like it. |
| [05:51:43] | sphery: | Oh, wait... Let's just call it stardate... |
| [05:51:49] | sphery: | and we'll use decimals |
| [05:52:01] | wagnerrp: | awesome! i wont even have to change TZ abbreviations |
| [05:52:41] | iamlindoro: | Though doing that just shifts the qualitative value onto another item (location) |
| [05:52:48] | iamlindoro: | ie "It's 11 AM" |
| [05:52:51] | iamlindoro: | "Where?" |
| [05:53:04] | iamlindoro: | as the time has no value unless it's in its proper context |
| [05:54:49] | sphery: | no, it would be 11am everywhere |
| [05:54:58] | iamlindoro: | Yes, but that would have no *value* |
| [05:55:05] | sphery: | though the assumption of what people are doing at that time would have no value without location |
| [05:55:16] | sphery: | but really, who's to say lunchtime is noon, anyway? |
| [05:55:22] | wagnerrp: | some people would be waking up, some people would be going to be bead, some would be headed out to lunch... |
| [05:55:32] | sphery: | exactly |
| [05:55:33] | wagnerrp: | sphery: most of the world |
| [05:55:45] | iamlindoro: | time w/ time zones has a concrete value |
| [05:55:54] | wagnerrp: | sure, theres some deviation |
| [05:55:54] | iamlindoro: | time w/o time zones is of no value whatsoever |
| [05:56:03] | ** sphery marches to the beat of that drum you guys don't hear ** | |
| [05:56:40] | wagnerrp: | oh, i hear drums! the techno in the headphones ensures that |
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| [05:57:04] | iamlindoro: | this is when sphery takes over Britain in an alternate timeline in his airship |
| [05:57:13] | iamlindoro: | and turns his nemesis into a little troll |
| [05:57:42] | wagnerrp: | damnit! i want an airship! |
| [05:57:45] | sphery: | Now I have to start watching a ton of British TV/movies until I understand that reference. |
| [05:57:56] | wagnerrp: | complete with aircraft piloted by animals named 'Don' |
| [05:57:59] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Doctor Who |
| [05:58:03] | sphery: | Oh. |
| [05:58:31] | sphery: | Will it be piloted by penguins? |
| [05:58:32] | iamlindoro: | episode "The Sound of Drums" |
| [05:58:39] | sphery: | Oh, wait, that's Madagascar... |
| [05:59:33] | wagnerrp: | sphery: actually, 'don' would be some sort of weird coyote type thing |
| [05:59:44] | wagnerrp: | and speak with a spanish accent |
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| [06:04:44] | sphery: | rodd: Are you getting MySQL Error: 1295 SQLSTATE: HY000 "This command is not supported in the prepared statement protocol yet" |
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| [06:05:17] | sphery: | If so, it's being looked into by j-rod. |
| [06:05:25] | rodd: | sphery, I'm seeing "This command is not supported in the prepared statement protocol yet |
| [06:05:26] | sphery: | If you want to debug it and find a fix, feel free. |
| [06:05:31] | rodd: | but not the rest |
| [06:05:49] | sphery: | The short of it is that ALTER DATABASE cannot be issued in a prepared statement to MySQL |
| [06:05:59] | sphery: | However, the rub is that Myth /never/ does this in its code. |
| [06:06:50] | sphery: | Which means (to me) that some broken Qt MySQL drivers are messing with the actual submission of the ALTER DATABASE (and doing it as a prepared statement though we don't) |
| [06:06:51] | rodd: | so what's asking for the 'alter database ...' then if not myth's code |
| [06:07:10] | rodd: | so, this is being done through qt? |
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| [06:07:33] | iamlindoro: | all of myth's interaction with MySQL is through Qt- Myth is a Qt app |
| [06:07:40] | sphery: | Or the MySQL server has a bug similar to some that have existed in the past where the second time you do something the server goes bonkers and you get a less-than-meaningful error message. |
| [06:08:04] | rodd: | ah, this might be why I don't like qt (or another reason) |
| [06:08:07] | sphery: | rodd: Myth /does/ submit ALTER DATABASE, but it does /not/ do so through a prepared statement. It uses a "plain" statement (as it should),. |
| [06:08:26] | rodd: | ah |
| [06:08:39] | rodd: | so why can't myth just hit the database without using qt. |
| [06:08:58] | rodd: | surely mysql's easy enough to hit without having a middle man |
| [06:09:07] | sphery: | Note, also, that current trunk works fine with no database with Qt4.4.0 and MySQL 5.1.26 (the versions I'm using--I just tested this for j-rod) |
| [06:09:14] | ** rodd is pretty sure that this are meaningless questions that won't change a thing ** | |
| [06:09:37] | sphery: | Ooops... Bad typo. That's MySQL 5.0.26 (not 5.1) |
| [06:09:55] | sphery: | we still don't even know that Qt's at fault. |
| [06:10:02] | rodd: | so, is this a mysql 5.1.x thing, or a qt-4.5.x thing? |
| [06:10:17] | rodd: | I'm using mysql-5.1.32–1.fc11.i586 and qt-4.5.0–3.fc11.i586 |
| [06:10:21] | sphery: | But you have options for now. A) downgrade until someone else figures it out. B) Try to figure it out yourself. |
| [06:10:39] | sphery: | C) Don't try to create a new database with Myth on your too-new system. |
| [06:10:43] | rodd: | downgrade to what? |
| [06:10:52] | rodd: | ah well, that's that thing .... ;-] |
| [06:11:05] | rodd: | I don't have an old database |
| [06:11:13] | rodd: | so a new one it will have to be |
| [06:11:17] | sphery: | (i.e. use an older version of Myth or of MySQL or of Qt to see if you can create the new DB that way, then back it up, then restore it to the too-new system) |
| [06:12:00] | rodd: | hmmm, might be out of my depth (or more time available) |
| [06:12:01] | sphery: | You can even get a LiveCD of any Myth distro and use it to create an empty DB (use the /same/ hostname as your too-new system) |
| [06:12:08] | sphery: | then backup, restore to the too-new |
| [06:12:27] | sphery: | And, if you're not up for these tasks, then -fixes is probably a /much/ better idea. |
| [06:12:40] | rodd: | hmmm, except I've got this shitty intel graphics card that I've only barely got working. |
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| [06:12:54] | iamlindoro: | Or you can use anything-but-wacky-fedora-dev-branches |
| [06:13:05] | iamlindoro: | as trunk seems to work fine for everyone else ;) |
| [06:13:17] | sphery: | (Oh, and if -fixes fails similarly on your F11, please let me know in here--leave a message with my nick and I'll get it in scrollback--just so I can track who's affected :) |
| [06:13:19] | iamlindoro: | well, fine in the context of it being trunk, anyway |
| [06:14:00] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I thought Fedora <everything> was a wacky dev branch for RHEL... |
| [06:14:32] | iamlindoro: | sphery, so it seems |
| [06:14:37] | sphery: | I wonder what Fedora will do after Fedora 12... I haven't seen a keyboard with more than 12 Function keys in a /long/ time... |
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| [06:15:23] | sphery: | (and with that completely meaningless statement, I've lost all credibility I may have had with rodd... :) |
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| [06:17:26] | thedarkone: | iamlindoro i got it to work |
| [06:17:51] | thedarkone: | but i am guessing it too fast of a channel change |
| [06:17:56] | sphery: | anyway, rodd , you'll either need to downgrade (something--not sure what, but F10 seems to work fine) or find some other system to create your new Myth DB for you. |
| [06:18:09] | sphery: | rodd: once you do: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
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| [06:31:19] | rodd: | I've tried mythdora (which is f10) but it doesn't support my newish motherboard with a x4500 intel graphics device and g41 chipset |
| [06:31:45] | rodd: | I end up with 1024x768 using the vesa driver and it's horrible to watch (all choppy) |
| [06:31:57] | rodd: | so I'm in search of answers. |
| [06:32:12] | rodd: | anyhow, you've given me some ideas, so thanks |
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| [08:40:58] | plipp: | Which filesystem should I use? I will mostly use big files (recordings / movies). |
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| [08:47:50] | at0m|werk: | plipp: jfs? ext3 takes a long time to remove big files |
| [08:47:53] | at0m|werk: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html |
| [08:54:10] | mchou: | plipp: xfs works too |
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| [09:03:14] | artus35: | Hi all |
| [09:03:23] | artus35: | anybody experienced with mythwelcome? |
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| [10:49:49] | Darky: | Hi, I am trying to compile .21-fixes and cannot get it to enable any video output support (eg. x11 support no, xrandr no, opengl video no) even when i have passed the options to enable them. Am I missing something simple? |
| [10:50:13] | laga: | yes, you need the headers |
| [10:50:45] | Darky: | is there a relevant document i that will tell me which libs i need? |
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| [11:00:23] | Darky: | I don't know which headers i need |
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| [11:05:41] | BlackBurn: | hi all :) |
| [11:07:04] | BlackBurn: | plz can some one help me? ich Can't connect to the backend of MythTV but is use the Same System. over localhost. . "connection timed out" – why ? |
| [11:07:36] | BlackBurn: | i have started the Service "mythbackend" it run |
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| [11:10:58] | alexp789: | Hi All, has anyone had the following issue?.... Hauppauge HD-S2 dvb-s card... When scanning dvb-s channels it outputs [a3c4] (example) instead of the channel name into the output file?? |
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| [11:11:35] | alexp789: | Also I can lock onto a channel, but no data ever comes out of dvr0...... |
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| [12:19:55] | bear_: | Hi, I run mythbuntu 8.10 and having some trouble getting channel listing (swedish, tv.swedb.se) to work with all my channels. I get some errors when mythfilldatabase is executed after configuring my backend which leads me to the question. How is the users usually/supposed to be setup on a mythbuntu running computer used for both back and frontend? Right now I'm logged in as one user but I also have a mythtv-user and a root-user as |
| [12:19:56] | bear_: | well. Is this common or is this extra user I'm using bad practice, should I log in as the mythtv-user and not really have any other user? |
| [12:21:26] | bear_: | I figure the configuration files for the program information is saved in wrong folder since I'm not running the backendsetup, followd by the mythfilldatabase nor the frontend from the mythtv-user. |
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| [12:43:32] | k-man: | i have this problem with nvidia-settings, it seems as though, if X was not shut down properly, the next time nvidia-settings runs, it crashes X |
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| [12:43:37] | k-man: | anyone had that problem? |
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| [13:12:22] | mzb_d800: | bear_: I think you will find that both the frontend and the backend should be running as user=mythtv |
| [13:12:47] | mzb_d800: | ... but then I don't use mythbuntu |
| [13:12:57] | mzb_d800: | have you tried #mythbuntu ?? |
| [13:14:03] | mzb_d800: | BlackBurn: look at the log for your backend. Common location is in /var/log/mythtv/ |
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| [13:14:58] | mzb_d800: | Darky: look at the errors from your compilation attempt |
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| [13:16:35] | mzb_d800: | for Debian I ensure that the following are installed: |
| [13:16:51] | mzb_d800: | mythtv-dev-requirements: http://openpaste.org/en/12042/ |
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| [13:22:15] | BlackBurn: | mzb_d800: LOG : [console is not interactive, using default 'mythconverg'] |
| [13:22:41] | BlackBurn: | how can i config the SQL Login on Backend ? |
| [13:22:51] | mzb_d800: | use pastebin to provide the whole log, please |
| [13:23:08] | mzb_d800: | have you run mythtv-setup as the "mythtv: user? |
| [13:23:25] | BlackBurn: | yes |
| [13:24:10] | BlackBurn: | i can see the Tables in the DB. |
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| [13:24:17] | mzb_d800: | so in a separate pastebin also provide the contents of: /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [13:24:38] | mzb_d800: | that's _2_ pastebins you need to do! :) |
| [13:25:29] | BlackBurn: | no file found . :( |
| [13:26:06] | BlackBurn: | only on normal user "/home/mediauser/.mythtv/.. |
| [13:26:40] | mzb_d800: | then you've probably done something wrong. Check all the steps of your installation, and if you have problems provide more detail about your setup. (Don't forget to do pastebins!) |
| [13:27:32] | mzb_d800: | I'm moving a server downstairs ... so if I'm not here the details you provide should encourage someone else to attempt to help you. |
| [13:27:50] | BlackBurn: | i have only use the Gentoo Howto |
| [13:28:36] | mzb_d800: | can't help you with gentoo ... long time since I've used it, and never with mythtv |
| [13:28:59] | mzb_d800: | refer to my previous advice |
| [13:29:55] | BlackBurn: | okey, |
| [13:30:23] | BlackBurn: | ! i MUST use the new user "mythtv" zu Run Mythtv ? |
| [13:30:55] | BlackBurn: | i try only with my old user |
| [13:31:03] | BlackBurn: | or root |
| [13:31:10] | mzb_d800: | no! |
| [13:31:45] | mzb_d800: | read the instructions until you understand them _OR_ give complete descriptions of your problem (with pastebins as evidence) |
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| [13:32:01] | BlackBurn: | plz a Link ^^ |
| [13:32:27] | BlackBurn: | to the right Guid |
| [13:32:37] | mzb_d800: | "more input" |
| [13:32:42] | mzb_d800: | ie: no |
| [13:32:44] | ** mzb_d800 walks off with a heavy server in the hope he won't trip down the stairs ** | |
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| [13:43:30] | BlackBurn: | -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv video 59M Mar 8 15:24 /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log ! O.o 59 MB log ... |
| [13:49:41] | BlackBurn: | mzb_d800: http://nopaste.php-q.net/175737 that's the log |
| [13:50:08] | BlackBurn: | but i configure that Database in the menu right |
| [13:50:53] | BlackBurn: | mythTV has write many tables to the SQL database |
| [13:52:10] | mzb_d800: | you have not setup your database correctly. There are no permissions for "mythtv" user to access the mythconverg database |
| [13:52:11] | BlackBurn: | were is the Config file for the Backend ? |
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| [13:52:41] | mzb_d800: | if you can't manage to correct that by hand, I suggest you install phpmyadmin and learn how to use it. |
| [13:52:53] | mzb_d800: | Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [13:52:56] | mzb_d800: | ^^^ |
| [13:53:10] | BlackBurn: | or i reinstall the SLQ db |
| [13:53:23] | mzb_d800: | whatever suits you |
| [13:53:45] | BlackBurn: | and sry for my very bad English ^^ |
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| [13:54:16] | mzb_d800: | there's no problem with your English |
| [13:54:35] | mzb_d800: | (meaning is understood) |
| [13:54:43] | BlackBurn: | ^^ |
| [13:54:59] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
| [14:00:33] | ** justinh is afraid dustybin has caught gonnadoatheme-itis from him. Symptoms range from apathy to full-blown neverevergonnadoit-itis ** | |
| [14:01:21] | mzb_d800: | give him a roundtuit for his birthday ;) |
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| [15:23:32] | mike_hurley: | i've tried "mythcommflag --rebuild --video" and "mencoder --idx/--forceidx" but seeking in avi files beyond 3x is not smooth at all...any thoughts? |
| [15:23:48] | mike_hurley: | with mpeg2 or xvid mpeg4 video streams |
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| [15:39:43] | dougiel: | am I supposed to have access to all my videos (not recordings) with frontend on other machine to my machine that is running backend ? |
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| [15:40:46] | stuarta: | with 0.21 you need to mount your videos to the same location on the remote frontend for it to work |
| [15:41:04] | stuarta: | in head we've been working on streaming videos |
| [15:41:21] | dougiel: | when I go into ... stuarta k – thank you |
| [15:42:10] | dougiel: | stuarta, so mount a nfs share on remote frontend machine? |
| [15:42:17] | stuarta: | yup |
| [15:43:07] | dougiel: | hmm – it is a mac so easier said than done – osx never seems to maintain nfs connections from boot to boot... |
| [15:43:23] | stuarta: | i have the same problem :) |
| [15:43:32] | stuarta: | btw are you on 10.4 or 10.5? |
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| [15:43:40] | dougiel: | 10.5.2 |
| [15:43:52] | stuarta: | i must be the only OSX user who hasn't updated to 10.5 |
| [15:44:00] | dougiel: | it is actually an asus pc I built |
| [15:44:19] | stuarta: | blimey |
| [15:44:57] | dougiel: | stuarta, no my girlfriend actually boots back to 10.4.8 for business purposes – the osx machine dual boots 10.4.8 and 10.5.2 |
| [15:45:15] | stuarta: | ah okay |
| [15:45:35] | stuarta: | i'm still trying to work out if i fix the 10.4 issues with head, or just upgrade to 10.5 |
| [15:45:37] | dougiel: | so there is actually 2 of you that refuse to get with the times – lol |
| [15:46:03] | stuarta: | i just can't be arsed buying it :) |
| [15:46:20] | stuarta: | ENOBUDGET |
| [15:46:33] | dougiel: | 'issues with head' = ? |
| [15:46:44] | stuarta: | qt4.4 is being a bitch |
| [15:46:48] | dougiel: | I hear you on the budget. |
| [15:47:13] | stuarta: | against qt4.3 it works fine, but the program details screen has been ported in a way that requires qt4.4 |
| [15:47:22] | dougiel: | I looked at the pricing for a new media pc yesterday – 825 cdn with no bluray |
| [15:47:55] | stuarta: | i also seem to be getting double remote presses that i'm not getting with 0.21 |
| [15:48:14] | stuarta: | apart from that it seems to be okay |
| [15:48:33] | stuarta: | i should be able to sort out the double remote thing |
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| [15:52:14] | ** dougiel is trying to learn about vdpau ** | |
| [15:52:48] | dougiel: | stuarta, you use a remote with your osx frontend? |
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| [15:56:12] | stuarta: | all 6 buttons of it :) |
| [15:56:22] | stuarta: | the mini mac remote |
| [15:59:57] | dougiel: | lol – I guess you can get the basics with it. |
| [16:00:43] | stuarta: | yeah |
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| [16:08:08] | chiliblue: | ok, just installed myth frontend on my ubuntu install and I just get a blueish screen with frazzled characters (a menu) that I can't read..anyone? |
| [16:12:42] | plipp: | how many have Knoppmyth 5.5 and have upgraded their kernels? |
| [16:17:47] | tank-man: | chiliblue, maybe the logs would reveal more |
| [16:18:04] | chiliblue: | nothing in the log for myth |
| [16:18:11] | chiliblue: | running it at command line |
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| [16:19:32] | dougiel: | chiliblue, but your ubuntu gnome sessions are fine? |
| [16:19:44] | chiliblue: | in one now, yes just fine |
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| [16:21:45] | chiliblue: | hmmm |
| [16:21:58] | chiliblue: | looks like some odd video mode thing |
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| [16:22:32] | chiliblue: | very odd looking, does myth frontend care what res and frequency the desktop is using |
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| [16:25:40] | chiliblue: | xbmc works fine |
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| [16:29:34] | dougiel: | chiliblue, what resolution does xbmc work at? what kind of display and video card are you using? |
| [16:32:39] | chiliblue: | ati x1300 or something using FGLRX, 1280 x 1024 |
| [16:33:15] | dougiel: | hmm... not familiar with ati sorry |
| [16:36:03] | chiliblue: | Radeon X1300 Pro according to lspci |
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| [16:38:02] | dougiel: | chiliblue, did you install the ati drivers? |
| [16:38:22] | gbee: | dougiel: that would be the fglrx :) |
| [16:38:27] | chiliblue: | FGLRX drivers being used |
| [16:39:11] | gbee: | chiliblue: start the frontend with "-O Themepainter=qt" |
| [16:39:27] | chiliblue: | I think it is using qtpainter |
| [16:39:33] | dougiel: | sorry – like I said I know nothing about ati :) |
| [16:39:36] | chiliblue: | but I'll give it a go |
| [16:39:38] | gbee: | it is a driver bug, thought they'd fixed it with the latest release (9.2) |
| [16:40:02] | gbee: | chiliblue: which version of Catalyst (fglrx)? |
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| [16:40:56] | chiliblue: | gbee don't have a command that would tell me do you |
| [16:41:10] | gbee: | err, no, isn't one afaik :/ |
| [16:41:19] | stuarta: | the command he gave you forces it to Qt painter |
| [16:41:44] | chiliblue: | I know, but I think it was using that before |
| [16:41:56] | gbee: | if you didn't install the driver manually then it's probably older than 9.2, packagers can be very slow to release the new driver |
| [16:42:25] | chiliblue: | no it was installed from ubuntu repositories |
| [16:42:30] | chiliblue: | automagically |
| [16:43:32] | gbee: | need a new drive, figure for the price that I'll go with a 1Tb – Samsung or WD Green? I'm a big Samsung fan and I'm leaning that way, but there has been a lot of buzz about the WD here lately |
| [16:43:33] | chiliblue: | guess I need to install new ones then' |
| [16:43:45] | chiliblue: | thanks for the help |
| [16:44:14] | chiliblue: | I worry about quality control on samsung drives |
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| [16:45:01] | gbee: | most reliable and quiet drives I've ever bought |
| [16:45:38] | AndyCap: | gbee: get one of each and use one for backup? :P |
| [16:45:52] | gbee: | but then most manufacturers have had some sort of problem with the 1Tb and above models |
| [16:46:55] | gbee: | AndyCap: finances won't allow at the moment ;) I've not budgeted for this drive, it's a replacement for an old Seagate that's starting to fail |
| [16:47:09] | keith4_: | is there a way to delete all episodes of a particular show? |
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| [16:47:46] | gbee: | keith4_: yes, it's a little indirect though |
| [16:48:20] | gbee: | in Watch Recordings, Menu > Change View > Show Titles |
| [16:48:43] | gbee: | select that group, then Menu > Add group to playlist |
| [16:48:53] | keith4_: | oy. the woman will never figure that out |
| [16:49:13] | gbee: | Menu > Playlist Options > Delete All in playlist (or something) |
| [16:49:17] | chiliblue: | gbee it probably is the ati driver...it is very consistant |
| [16:49:55] | gbee: | chiliblue: look for an updated driver package, or just uninstall the packaged version and go download the driver from the ATI website |
| [16:50:04] | keith4_: | i wish she would stop doing things like: scheduling a recording of every episode of "little people, big world", letting it record 90 of them, and then deciding "i don't have time to watch these", and cancel the schedule |
| [16:50:13] | keith4_: | leaving me with 90 episodes to remove |
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| [16:50:36] | keith4_: | ... i guess i'll sit her in front of mythweb and wish her happy clicking |
| [16:51:34] | keith4_: | maybe that'll teach her |
| [16:51:40] | keith4_: | thanks, gbee |
| [16:51:51] | AndyCap: | keith4_: and lower the WAF to about -1 :) |
| [16:52:45] | keith4_: | meh. i can live with that |
| [16:53:24] | keith4_: | and... no, it's still positive. her love of commflagging trumps all else, it seems |
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| [16:59:13] | at0m|werk: | keith4_: why manually remove them? won't they be removed when space is required? |
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| [16:59:27] | at0m|werk: | or is it not recorded to a dedicated partition? |
| [17:00:07] | keith4_: | it's a long story... the short version is: once, she got upset that some stuff auto-expired, and now she sets everything to NOT auto-expire |
| [17:00:22] | keith4_: | *sigh* i choose my battles |
| [17:01:10] | at0m|werk: | keith4_: courage :) |
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| [17:08:11] | plipp: | knoppmyth users: which kernel are you running? |
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| [17:19:27] | justinh: | download the cd, run it in live mode, open a terminal & type uname -r :) |
| [17:19:45] | justinh: | or just ask in #linhes |
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| [17:21:18] | ** stuarta wonders if it's beer o'clock yet ** | |
| [17:22:26] | justinh: | $time > 8am, so yes it's beer o'clock |
| [17:27:06] | keith4_: | it's always 5 o'clock *somewhere* |
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| [17:34:47] | chiliblue: | surely it would only be 5 o'clock somewhere on the hour |
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| [17:36:13] | wagnerrp: | quit before someone could yell at him? |
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| [17:40:35] | chiliblue: | gbee: just to let you know, good call on the ATI driver...fine when I installed the latest manually |
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| [18:04:15] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: apparently theyre airing the remaining three Pushing Daisies episodes on German TV |
| [18:06:31] | iamlindoro: | Heh, well that's irritating |
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| [18:22:38] | ** JEDIDIAH__ has heard that if you want to have no shame drinking at any hour then you should move to Londo. ** | |
| [18:22:41] | ** JEDIDIAH__ has heard that if you want to have no shame drinking at any hour then you should move to London. ** | |
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| [18:29:28] | thedarkone: | i finally got the lirc to work right now i use cable i get a echo.. any way i can correct it |
| [18:30:02] | wagnerrp: | an echo? |
| [18:30:37] | justinh: | an echo? |
| [18:31:23] | ** justinh mutters something about muting the line input if somebody is using a framegrabber & is routing audio from the tuner into the soundcard's line input ** | |
| [18:31:58] | justinh: | y'know, like it says to mute it in the docs while selecting the line input to be captured in the audio mixer your distro provides |
| [18:32:00] | wagnerrp: | i was more trying to figure out how anything one did with lirc could cause an echo |
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| [18:32:34] | thedarkone: | like it distored |
| [18:33:23] | wagnerrp: | the audio is distorted, but the video is not? |
| [18:33:24] | thedarkone: | yes justinh i am going from tv card to sound card |
| [18:33:32] | thedarkone: | just audio |
| [18:33:44] | thedarkone: | sounds like it in a hall |
| [18:33:50] | wagnerrp: | ugh... i concede this one to someone else |
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| [18:33:54] | thedarkone: | that very bad echo |
| [18:34:13] | wagnerrp: | (no experience, nor desire for experience, with frame grabbers) |
| [18:34:19] | thedarkone: | might be my tv card is bad |
| [18:34:37] | wagnerrp: | plug your headphones into your tv card, see if the audio is bad |
| [18:34:54] | thedarkone: | will try that |
| [18:37:33] | justinh: | tried disabling the echo FX in the RealtekHDAudioToyCenter ? Oops that's a windows thing :P |
| [18:37:52] | justinh: | I doubt a tv card's audio out could even drive headphones |
| [18:38:23] | wagnerrp: | not even cheap ear buds? |
| [18:38:27] | justinh: | nope |
| [18:38:41] | wagnerrp: | just a line signal, no amp? |
| [18:38:44] | justinh: | powered speakers would be best |
| [18:38:51] | justinh: | yeah that's generally all they are |
| [18:40:59] | thedarkone: | tv has jack in |
| [18:43:42] | thedarkone: | well direct in to tv no echo |
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| [18:54:44] | baxter_kylie: | Hello. For some reason my mythfrontend 0.21 (and all of its child processes) can only be killed with a -9. This is affecting some functionality. Is this 'normal' behaviour? |
| [18:55:11] | wagnerrp: | well first, why would you need to terminate your backend? |
| [18:55:28] | baxter_kylie: | wagnerrp: not backend. frontend. |
| [18:55:47] | wagnerrp: | err... frontend, question still stands |
| [18:57:54] | wagnerrp: | 'normal' behavior is that the process remains functional, and responds to -TERMs |
| [18:58:15] | wagnerrp: | something requiring a -KILL indicates that it has irrecoverably locked up |
| [18:58:23] | baxter_kylie: | wagnerrp: to restart it for one. to prevent roommate freakouts in the instance of hitting the 'back' button too many times exiting is disabled. the difficulties arise from child processes anyway. if a video hangs, for example. |
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| [19:00:28] | wagnerrp: | the only reason ive ever needed to -KILL any part of myth is when it was stalled waiting for file I/O |
| [19:01:01] | wagnerrp: | video playback should be fairly stable, unless youre using some form of hardware decode acceleration |
| [19:01:12] | wagnerrp: | XvMC or VDPAU |
| [19:02:07] | wagnerrp: | also, video playback should not be spawning child processes |
| [19:02:44] | wagnerrp: | videos are run within 'mythfrontend' |
| [19:07:06] | baxter_kylie: | wagnerrp: nothing is perfect. sometimes a seek can stall or crash out. a perfect example of this broken behaviour is mythvideo's metadata search. it uses a kill once it finds info on a scrape which hangs. |
| [19:07:46] | wagnerrp: | baxter_kylie: that is metadata searching... in a perl script outside of mythfrontend |
| [19:08:37] | wagnerrp: | video playback is all internal, and there should be no child processes |
| [19:10:33] | wagnerrp: | back to the issue at hand... video playback is locking up |
| [19:10:58] | wagnerrp: | what version of myth are you running? what playback settings are you using? software or hardware decoding? |
| [19:12:14] | baxter_kylie: | wagnerrp: not really. it's not that it's locking up — that's rare. it's that I can't kill any process related to myth without a -9. |
| [19:12:41] | wagnerrp: | if its not locking up, why kill it? |
| [19:13:34] | wagnerrp: | oh, you just want to close it, and you have other forms of closing it disabled |
| [19:14:03] | wagnerrp: | well youre not going to harm anything by uncleanly exiting the frontend |
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| [20:01:07] | Anduin: | iamlindoro_: which of your mythvideo patches is the one you want first? |
| [20:02:12] | iamlindoro: | Anduin, The fanart one, #6159 I believe that is |
| [20:02:58] | iamlindoro: | I'm going to split #6158 out into two patches when that is done, one for PBB fanart/banner/coverart support, and the other for the export once I figure out a good way to make it work with MythVideo storage groups |
| [20:03:10] | iamlindoro: | Thanks, it's good to hear from you :) |
| [20:03:31] | Anduin: | everything in the last patch? |
| [20:03:38] | iamlindoro: | yep, should be |
| [20:04:20] | iamlindoro: | The last patch on #6159 also adds storage group support for all the metadata and trailers, but it's sort of a stub as it will work, but the file browsers don't work with SGs yet-- I will submit a seperate patch soonish for that |
| [20:04:37] | Anduin: | Yeah, I'm fine with placeholders |
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| [20:05:31] | iamlindoro: | They'll even work if you put the right info in the DB, but there's just no proper way to put SG-friendly metadata DB info in from the GUI yet |
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| [20:07:41] | Anduin: | It looks good so far, I'll probably only make a few style changes (not your fault, I've just been only changing as needed rather than leaving good examples) |
| [20:08:16] | iamlindoro: | OK, sounds good-- you might (up to you) want to include the fanart downloader patch as a stopgap until your metadata reorganization stuff is done |
| [20:08:38] | iamlindoro: | That's mixed in to all the patches somewhere, but whatever the latest one is |
| [20:08:49] | Anduin: | I'll probably do that, I have today and probably tomorrow so not really enough to finish my stuff/look at tickets |
| [20:09:08] | iamlindoro: | cool |
| [20:09:17] | iamlindoro: | Glad to see you come up for air, I know real life can get that way |
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| [20:09:50] | jduggan: | real what? |
| [20:10:03] | jduggan: | :) |
| [20:11:13] | Anduin: | sphery: how is the tmdb thing going? |
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| [20:17:04] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, Just as an aside, it's looking like tsmuxer in linux should be able to pull the h.264 video and the DTS core from DTS-HD out from a m2ts and remux into a second m2ts, all from the command line. Doing some testing now |
| [20:18:03] | iamlindoro: | Want to make my firefly rips work :) |
| [20:18:17] | iamlindoro: | (without learning spanish) |
| [20:18:26] | stuarta: | haha |
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| [20:32:02] | Anduin: | SG special groups seems very hacky going forward |
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| [20:33:08] | iamlindoro: | What do you mean? |
| [20:33:43] | Anduin: | I mean an exclude list for !recording rather than just adding types to SGs |
| [20:33:56] | iamlindoro: | ahhh |
| [20:34:42] | Anduin: | though required names will make other things easier |
| [20:34:51] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, SGs are going to need some re-thinking- and at least a little bit of new functionality- IMO there needs to be a way to stream a file into a SG from a frontend-only |
| [20:35:40] | iamlindoro: | Which would make finishing the bits you're reviewing boatload easier (ie download images from a frontend only straight into the SG, and drop the existing settings) |
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| [20:36:22] | iamlindoro: | Which I understand is not relevant to what you just said, but has been plaguing me in thinking about how to finish off this work :) |
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| [20:36:47] | Anduin: | Yeah, the usual answer has been that other things manage/move files better but if we are going to dump everything there better operations are needed. |
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| [20:38:13] | BLACKthroat: | Since I have the mceusb remote (v2) the channel up/down and page up/down are shared, am i able to use the page feature in the epg? |
| [20:38:33] | BLACKthroat: | using the remote and those specific buttons |
| [20:39:48] | BLACKthroat: | I've tried using 'button = ChanUp' with 'config = PageUp' but that didn't work |
| [20:41:38] | Anduin: | BLACKthroat: the Qt QKeySequence for page up is PgUp, the example mceusb2 config has the correct mappings |
| [20:42:38] | BLACKthroat: | that did it, thank you |
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| [20:45:38] | BLACKthroat: | Also, am I able use the My TV, my music, etc.. to jump to specific parts of mythtv? |
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| [20:46:01] | iamlindoro: | BLACKthroat, Yes, look at the Utilities/Setup->Edit Keys plugin |
| [20:46:14] | iamlindoro: | and look at binding things to jump points |
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| [20:46:55] | iamlindoro: | So in Edit keys you would look at context "JumpPoints", then bind keys to any of them, then bind those keys to the remote keys |
| [20:50:15] | BLACKthroat: | can i use say ALT+L to bind to? |
| [20:51:12] | iamlindoro: | You can in the edit keys function in myth-- how that works lircrc side I couldn't tell you |
| [20:51:33] | BLACKthroat: | yeah i figured it out |
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| [20:51:49] | BLACKthroat: | does the livetv function not work very smoothly? |
| [20:52:04] | iamlindoro: | erm... can you be more specific? |
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| [20:52:32] | iamlindoro: | LiveTV works, and is more or less tested, but none of the devs and more advanced myth users seldom if ever touch it |
| [20:52:54] | trumee: | guys, i have couple of TV shows which I dont want them to appear in the Video Manager, is there any way to disable them in Video Manager |
| [20:52:56] | BLACKthroat: | well it seems to i dunno perhaps reset the tuner |
| [20:53:06] | BLACKthroat: | takes a couple of seconds at least |
| [20:53:10] | BLACKthroat: | and the screen flickers |
| [20:53:50] | iamlindoro: | trumee, You can raise their parental level and operate at a lower parental level, or you can set the "include while browsing" to off |
| [20:53:56] | trumee: | The reason is that these TV shows have a lot of Episodes and fill up the Video Manager list. I dont really need to do anything with them, so i want them to be removed |
| [20:54:41] | iamlindoro: | trumee, It may be a moot point as all video manager functionality has been moved into the other MythVideo screens in trunk |
| [20:54:49] | iamlindoro: | ie you can now scan and edit metadata from any mythvideo screen |
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| [20:54:59] | iamlindoro: | so if you can live with it for a while longer, you may never need to worry about it again |
| [20:55:19] | trumee: | iamlindoro, how long :) |
| [20:55:38] | trumee: | is there a 0.22 release in the near future? |
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| [20:55:49] | iamlindoro: | There's a .22 release in *the* future |
| [20:55:52] | iamlindoro: | does that count? |
| [20:56:18] | iamlindoro: | TTBOMK all videos will *always* show up in video manager |
| [20:56:27] | trumee: | I want the video to be absent in Setup>Video Manager, but want them enabled in Media Library>Watch Videos |
| [20:56:27] | iamlindoro: | but you can make them invisible in all other views |
| [20:57:00] | iamlindoro: | so short of moving them out of your library, the answer is "no" and the long answer is "no, but it soon won't matter to you" |
| [20:57:05] | trumee: | looks like i will have to live with this then |
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| [21:04:18] | Anduin: | pin protecting the video manager can work if you really just don't want some people to use it |
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| [21:11:44] | thedarkone: | iamlindoro can u tell me if my amixer is set right |
| [21:11:48] | thedarkone: | http://pastebin.ca/1356096 |
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| [21:12:39] | iamlindoro: | thedarkone, I don't know anything about that output, and even if I did it would likely depend on my knowing a fair amount about your personal setup |
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| [21:13:07] | thedarkone: | okay |
| [21:13:20] | thedarkone: | i am tring to figure out why i get a echo |
| [21:13:21] | iamlindoro: | Presuming you are using alsa output, and the device in myth is set properly and not muted, it should "just work" |
| [21:13:36] | thedarkone: | i muted mic |
| [21:13:44] | thedarkone: | and aux |
| [21:13:50] | thedarkone: | left line open |
| [21:14:05] | iamlindoro: | ah, you're dealing with some sort of framegrabber issue? There's a whole section on framegrabber audio issues in the manual |
| [21:14:16] | iamlindoro: | but you need to not be looking at alsa |
| [21:14:21] | iamlindoro: | as myth doesn't capture using alsa |
| [21:14:44] | iamlindoro: | OSS only-- although admittedly you could use the OSS emulation layer in alsa |
| [21:15:02] | iamlindoro: | anyway, look at the relevant section in the manual, I have been avoiding framegrabbers like the plague for a few years |
| [21:15:10] | thedarkone: | i see |
| [21:15:14] | iamlindoro: | And heavy drinking and hard living have helped me to forget |
| [21:15:26] | thedarkone: | i was using a wintv tv card |
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| [21:15:49] | iamlindoro: | If at all possible, you'd be doing yourself a huge favor just to buy a decent second-hard hardware encoder for analog |
| [21:15:57] | iamlindoro: | PVR-150, PVR-500, etc. |
| [21:16:34] | thedarkone: | yeah that cost alot |
| [21:16:39] | iamlindoro: | herm? |
| [21:16:45] | iamlindoro: | $30ish bucks on ebay is a lot? |
| [21:17:10] | iamlindoro: | http://cgi.ebay.com/Hauppauge-WINTV-PVR-150-M . . . 3A1|294%3A50 |
| [21:17:16] | iamlindoro: | $26, ends in < 30 minutes |
| [21:17:38] | iamlindoro: | vastly, vastly superior to a framegrabber and infinitely less annoying |
| [21:18:45] | thedarkone: | well okay |
| [21:18:57] | Dagmar: | Until you've used both you really just can't imagine how much EASIER things are with a hardware accellerated encoder card. |
| [21:19:18] | iamlindoro: | You'll never go back |
| [21:19:26] | iamlindoro: | (and you might kick yourself a little for waiting so long) |
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| [21:21:30] | gbee: | iamlindoro: still trying to offload those crappy PVR-150s to unsuspecting users via Ebay, eh? |
| [21:21:37] | iamlindoro: | SHH! |
| [21:21:58] | iamlindoro: | You'll blow my sale to this suck^H^H^H^H perfectly handsome fellow |
| [21:22:41] | iamlindoro: | there's even one or two $30 buy it now's that ain't bad at all |
| [21:22:48] | iamlindoro: | gah, punctuation iamlindoro |
| [21:23:24] | iamlindoro: | !trout iamlindoro rotating in grave grammar teacher |
| [21:23:24] | ** MythLogBot slaps iamlindoro with a rotating in grave grammar teacher trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
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| [21:26:14] | wagnerrp: | the 150s are compatible with NTSC and PAL? i thought they had two separate units for the two standards |
| [21:26:57] | iamlindoro: | The non-tuner bits might be capable of both |
| [21:27:27] | iamlindoro: | but I'd be a little surprised if the Tuner worked right as the can on the card indicates the locale |
| [21:28:04] | wagnerrp: | i know mine specifically state 'NTSC/NTSC-J' |
| [21:28:14] | iamlindoro: | yeah, all the ones I've ever seen did same |
| [21:28:18] | wagnerrp: | but the description on the ebay listing claims to support both |
| [21:28:35] | wagnerrp: | i suppose it is fleabay.. what more can i expect |
| [21:28:40] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, just saying it's possible the S-video and composite will support both as they don't go through the tuner |
| [21:28:59] | wagnerrp: | ah, ok |
| [21:29:06] | iamlindoro: | Not that I know one way or another :) |
| [21:29:28] | iamlindoro: | Think greyfoxx (and maybe sphery?) have experience with both and probably know for sure |
| [21:29:52] | wagnerrp: | im not too concerned, i have no intention of moving to a PAL country any time soon |
| [21:30:11] | iamlindoro: | Not while this one is finally getting de-stupified anyway |
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| [21:31:03] | wagnerrp: | that has yet to be seen |
| [21:31:44] | wagnerrp: | have you seen how much Obama has greyed over the past few months? after finding out what all he has to deal with? |
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| [21:32:13] | iamlindoro: | Heh, GWB greyed and didn't even bother to do anything for eight years ;) |
| [21:32:16] | gbee: | mine says Multi-PAL on the label |
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| [21:33:02] | iamlindoro: | I used to have multi-PALs... then I started writing patches for myth and stopped going out, bathing, and leaving the house |
| [21:33:04] | wagnerrp: | well it will still be 6 months out before anything he does really starts to have an effect |
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| [21:44:22] | cityLights1: | hi |
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| [21:51:17] | Cardoe: | Anyone have an experience with GeForce 8200/8300 based motherboards? |
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| [21:56:25] | cityLights1: | I recently made a breakthrow – I nailed it to the alsa output |
| [21:56:38] | cityLights1: | does anyone uses a intel8x0 ? |
| [21:57:08] | cityLights1: | I can't find any info about issues with it online – or the wiki |
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| [21:57:33] | wagnerrp: | my parent's laptop has one of those |
| [21:57:53] | cityLights1: | hi wagnerrp |
| [21:58:00] | wagnerrp: | well... their old P3 laptop |
| [21:58:05] | wagnerrp: | it hasnt even run in 3 years |
| [21:58:49] | cityLights1: | ok, when I point mythtvfrontend to play to alsa:nodevice, I get a line that mythtv didnt open the device and all the video plays fine |
| [21:59:14] | cityLights1: | when I use ALSA:default this is when I get the prebuffering errors |
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| [21:59:32] | cityLights1: | I am using 2.6.28 with built in alsa |
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| [21:59:50] | cityLights1: | I tired adding a .asoundrc – yet it doesnt work |
| [21:59:53] | wagnerrp: | can you play something else on the chip? mplayer, or mpg123, something else small you might have on the system? |
| [22:00:25] | cityLights1: | yes I can play radio stream and also I can hear tvtime with sox |
| [22:00:38] | wagnerrp: | what processor, what content? |
| [22:00:55] | cityLights1: | I am using rate 44100 at my .asoundrc |
| [22:01:11] | cityLights1: | pentium4 2.8 livetv |
| [22:01:27] | wagnerrp: | what content? ATSC? |
| [22:01:49] | cityLights1: | analog via a frame grabeer (SAA) |
| [22:02:34] | wagnerrp: | well HD digital... i would have said youre probably right at your processor limit, and decoding the audio is enough to put you over the top |
| [22:02:48] | wagnerrp: | but for a framegrabber... does it play back recorded content fine? or is that bugged too? |
| [22:02:48] | cityLights1: | pls see http://rafb.net/p/srjDLD61.html for detail |
| [22:03:25] | wagnerrp: | why are you trying to resample the audio? |
| [22:04:31] | cityLights1: | I tried that when I saw error with the sample rate |
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| [22:06:46] | cityLights1: | oh, I am using a rate converter now, let me show you what it gives when I use the default |
| [22:07:54] | cityLights1: | ok, I dont see any prebuffer, but the pitch of the sound is wrong |
| [22:08:07] | cityLights1: | as if they are speaking in a higher tone |
| [22:08:36] | cityLights1: | same issue with playing recordings |
| [22:08:49] | cityLights1: | so Is it the backend? |
| [22:09:14] | cityLights1: | need I limit the sample rate? |
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| [22:18:54] | cityLights1: | I restartedt all and directed the ALSA:default now I get WriteAudio: buffer underrun |
| [22:19:07] | cityLights1: | NVP: prebuffering pause |
| [22:19:23] | cityLights1: | wagnerrp: any idea |
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| [22:24:48] | thedarkone: | well i got audio lol |
| [22:24:58] | thedarkone: | now i have to adjust it manual lol |
| [22:25:56] | cityLights1: | IT finelly works for me!! |
| [22:26:53] | cityLights1: | should I edit the wiki? |
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| [22:33:51] | cesman: | cityLights1: that would be a good way to give back... |
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| [22:34:38] | FinnTux: | hey. is there preferred gcc/g++ version for compiling mythtv? |
| [22:35:08] | Dagmar: | Something non-ancient. |
| [22:35:15] | FinnTux: | I'm running debian lenny so at least 4.3 and 4.1 are choices |
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| [22:35:29] | Dagmar: | ...or "the version the person who knew what they were doing was using when they built the binaries you're using" |
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| [22:41:38] | Cardoe: | anyone have a GeForce 8200 or 8300 based MB? |
| [22:42:34] | CyberKnet: | maybe. let me check. |
| [22:42:49] | Cardoe: | integrated video.. and wondering if ya use it |
| [22:43:08] | CyberKnet: | if it is the right chipset, I use the integrated video with HDMI out (with sound over HDMI) |
| [22:43:46] | Cardoe: | yep that's it |
| [22:44:00] | Cardoe: | lspci should tell ya if you got a 8200 or 8300 |
| [22:44:04] | Cardoe: | how's the video playback? |
| [22:44:19] | CyberKnet: | reasonable. I drive it at 1080i |
| [22:44:26] | CyberKnet: | I don't notice any stuttering. |
| [22:45:54] | janneg: | Cardoe: gbee has a 8200 based one and suffered under bad 2d performance until 180.29 or .35 |
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| [22:46:32] | Cardoe: | wdhmm |
| [22:46:34] | Cardoe: | er hmm |
| [22:46:50] | Cardoe: | my MSI motherboard kicked the bucket and I'm looking for a decent replacement |
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| [22:47:30] | CyberKnet: | yes, mine is 8200 IGP |
| [22:49:28] | Cardoe: | janneg: but it works well now afauk? |
| [22:50:39] | Cardoe: | I hate buying hardware... I never keept up with it so I dunno whats 'g ood and bad |
| [22:51:14] | janneg: | Cardoe: I think so. it was a driver bug and the fix was in the release notes |
| [22:52:06] | janneg: | but I would ask gbee before buying it. he's unfortunately offline since 20 minutes |
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| [22:58:03] | CyberKnet: | Hmm... I'm running something older than 180.29 |
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| [22:58:26] | ** CyberKnet makes a mental note to update nvidia later tonight ** | |
| [22:58:43] | wagnerrp: | i really wish schedulesdirect would be more specific on what shows are in HD, and what shows are merely broadcast in HD |
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| [22:59:43] | GreyFoxx: | That's a broadcaster not sending the info |
| [23:00:01] | CyberKnet: | sup GreyFoxx. ltns. |
| [23:00:02] | GreyFoxx: | the ones for my channels only show HD if it's actually in HD not just scaled up |
| [23:00:42] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx: i had started re-recording Two and a Half Men, to try to get HD versions of some of the older episodes |
| [23:00:55] | wagnerrp: | only to find they were merely upscalled to 1080i |
| [23:01:20] | GreyFoxx: | in mythweb only actual HD shows show up marked as HD |
| [23:01:29] | GreyFoxx: | the SD stuff scaled up to HD doesn't |
| [23:02:07] | wagnerrp: | mythweb doesnt know better unless schedulesdirect tells it, and i agree that SD doesnt know better unless the broadcaster sends correct info |
| [23:03:21] | CyberKnet: | aaah, gotta make a grocery run. later. |
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| [23:04:14] | thedarkone: | this wintv card has bttv848 is that bad |
| [23:04:34] | Dagmar: | If you need an ice scraper for your car windshield it's a good card. |
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| [23:04:47] | wagnerrp: | the brooktree cards are all framegrabbers (bad!) |
| [23:05:37] | thedarkone: | well whatz a framegrabber |
| [23:05:52] | thedarkone: | i just wanted to use it for digital cable input |
| [23:05:59] | wagnerrp: | a card that grabs individual frames and feeds them to your computer |
| [23:06:10] | wagnerrp: | a framegrabber cannot be used for digital anything |
| [23:06:15] | thedarkone: | so i have to get a new card |
| [23:06:20] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [23:06:29] | thedarkone: | screw that |
| [23:06:29] | wagnerrp: | and dont get your hopes up with digital cable either |
| [23:06:45] | thedarkone: | well i have a digtal cable box |
| [23:06:48] | thedarkone: | and sub |
| [23:06:48] | wagnerrp: | check out silicondust for a list of what you might get unencrypted from your cableco |
| [23:07:00] | wagnerrp: | if you have a STB, you can and should not use a framegrabber to capture it |
| [23:07:24] | thedarkone: | what should i use |
| [23:07:32] | thedarkone: | to put threw myth |
| [23:07:48] | wagnerrp: | if you want analog, get an ivtv card (pvr-150/500) |
| [23:08:07] | wagnerrp: | if you want digital, there are a handful of cards you can use, basically anything supported at linuxtv.org |
| [23:08:32] | thedarkone: | WinTV PCI PVR-150 MCE TV Tuner Card |
| [23:09:02] | wagnerrp: | that should do it |
| [23:09:19] | thedarkone: | it a video capture card |
| [23:09:29] | thedarkone: | Functions: Audio Capturing |
| [23:09:29] | thedarkone: | Video Capturing |
| [23:09:29] | thedarkone: | TV Tuning |
| [23:09:31] | wagnerrp: | it can be used for video capture, yes |
| [23:09:38] | ** iamlindoro cries tears of joy at not owing the government money this year ** | |
| [23:09:45] | wagnerrp: | but more importantly, it has a hardware mpeg encoder |
| [23:09:56] | wagnerrp: | you get a nice happy mpeg stream straight from the card |
| [23:10:14] | wagnerrp: | rather than raw frames from the card, and audio from... somewhere |
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| [23:16:54] | thedarkone: | crap more money to put out |
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| [23:17:24] | wagnerrp: | you paid money for that bt848 card? |
| [23:17:38] | thedarkone: | well yeah and na |
| [23:17:46] | thedarkone: | well i got it for 4.00 |
| [23:18:15] | wagnerrp: | ok... i was going to say you could probably get one out of the bargin bin at a computer parts store for about $5 |
| [23:18:27] | thedarkone: | lol |
| [23:18:44] | thedarkone: | well just put all my money into this lcd tv |
| [23:18:46] | iamlindoro: | If $30 for a second hand PVR-150 is too steep, Myth may not be the right hobby for you-- it's a money sink |
| [23:18:59] | iamlindoro: | There will *always* be more stuff you need to buy |
| [23:19:09] | thedarkone: | iamlindoro i found that out |
| [23:19:19] | thedarkone: | sofar i have 12k into my mythbox |
| [23:19:25] | wagnerrp: | suddenly hard drives will begin to appear appear shiny |
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| [23:19:31] | wagnerrp: | $12000??? |
| [23:19:34] | iamlindoro: | Erm, $12k in *what*? |
| [23:19:38] | thedarkone: | yes |
| [23:19:38] | iamlindoro: | solid gold cases? |
| [23:19:42] | thedarkone: | no |
| [23:19:44] | wagnerrp: | and youre worried about a $30 capture card? |
| [23:19:55] | thedarkone: | 13 2 tb hdds |
| [23:20:10] | thedarkone: | 4 dual quad cpus |
| [23:20:11] | wagnerrp: | if you spent $12k on that, you got ripped off |
| [23:20:19] | thedarkone: | 16 gigs ram |
| [23:20:38] | thedarkone: | and a few other things |
| [23:20:40] | Dagmar: | Or making things up |
| [23:20:44] | iamlindoro: | or that |
| [23:20:46] | Dagmar: | ...which is rather likely |
| [23:20:47] | wagnerrp: | why are you buying a server farm for mythtv? |
| [23:20:58] | wagnerrp: | there is no such thing as a 'dual quad cpu' |
| [23:21:05] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Because it's important he run his piracy operation |
| [23:21:09] | thedarkone: | amd phatom 4 |
| [23:21:13] | wagnerrp: | or do you mean dual processor server boxes |
| [23:21:31] | thedarkone: | amd's phatom4 |
| [23:21:44] | iamlindoro: | I *assume* "phatom" is supposed to mean "phenom" |
| [23:21:49] | cityLights1: | wagnerrp: I added the remark to the wiki |
| [23:21:53] | cityLights1: | hope it helps |
| [23:21:55] | thedarkone: | yes |
| [23:21:55] | wagnerrp: | you cant put two phenom chips in a single box |
| [23:22:02] | iamlindoro: | Which is a quad core processor |
| [23:22:10] | Dagmar: | Well, allow me to be the first to say it |
| [23:22:29] | Dagmar: | Anyone spending twelve grand on hard drives that balks at spending $30 for a tuner is just making shit up. |
| [23:22:32] | iamlindoro: | and even if one WERE talking about 4 x Phenoms, and 26 TB in storage, you're still nowhere near 12k |
| [23:22:45] | Dagmar: | Go tell it to the little girls in your schoolyard, man. |
| [23:22:54] | iamlindoro: | unless the few other things were kilos of blow |
| [23:23:20] | wagnerrp: | well its '4 dual quad', which means he must be buying server grade hardware, opterons or xeons |
| [23:23:27] | thedarkone: | total is inculds the tv |
| [23:23:40] | wagnerrp: | so four boxes, each with a $400 board, and a pair of $400 minimum chips |
| [23:23:40] | thedarkone: | witch is a 47 inch plasma |
| [23:23:52] | iamlindoro: | Weren't you the guy in here the other say telling us about how you spent $600 on your TV and it wiped you out? |
| [23:23:56] | ** iamlindoro goes to check the logs ** | |
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| [23:24:18] | wagnerrp: | so thats $5K right there |
| [23:24:22] | thedarkone: | yeah iamlindoro that was othere tv |
| [23:24:45] | iamlindoro: | I'm sorry, but I think you're making things up to sound cool |
| [23:24:45] | Dagmar: | It's still a load of bullshit |
| [23:24:48] | wagnerrp: | 4Gb in such a box would be a complete waste, so it would be 16GB in each box, so tack on another $1K for each server |
| [23:24:59] | wagnerrp: | up to $8K |
| [23:25:04] | iamlindoro: | as in that same conversation you talked about how you had lost your job and that's why money was tight and so you could only buy a $600 TV |
| [23:25:14] | wagnerrp: | rackmount cases are expensive, say $9500 |
| [23:25:26] | wagnerrp: | nah, $9000 |
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| [23:25:40] | Dagmar: | thedarkone: Compulsive prevarication is something they can medicate now |
| [23:25:42] | Dagmar: | Get teh helps. |
| [23:25:57] | wagnerrp: | although those hard drives would pump you up to around $13K |
| [23:26:04] | wagnerrp: | you may have gotten a deal with all that hardware |
| [23:26:45] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2009-03-02 |
| [23:26:54] | iamlindoro: | 19:46:36 and on |
| [23:26:58] | wagnerrp: | add in some hardware raid, or at least hotswap backplanes, a couple fiber 10GB nics plus switches |
| [23:27:25] | iamlindoro: | So yeah, sounds like that 12K myth system is made up |
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| [23:28:05] | iamlindoro: | This was the argument about how an HDMI cable was too expensive |
| [23:28:36] | Dagmar: | Maybe the girls at the catholic school buy that kind of crap nowadays |
| [23:29:08] | thedarkone: | rackmount is 10,500 total i got the damn recept here |
| [23:29:33] | wagnerrp: | surprisingly exact number there |
| [23:30:00] | wagnerrp: | i mean at least come up with something like '10,738.14' |
| [23:30:00] | thedarkone: | you want the model # |
| [23:30:27] | thedarkone: | of the damn server |
| [23:30:53] | wagnerrp: | i would actually like to see what these 'dual quad phaton 4s' are |
| [23:31:03] | iamlindoro: | i'd love a link + pricing information |
| [23:31:06] | iamlindoro: | please do |
| [23:31:42] | thedarkone: | it a model ag893a by hp |
| [23:32:03] | wagnerrp: | thats a SAN system |
| [23:32:35] | iamlindoro: | which is to say, that's not even a server |
| [23:32:47] | iamlindoro: | This is getting more and more ludicrous |
| [23:32:50] | Dagmar: | Someone can Google, but they can't read |
| [23:33:05] | wagnerrp: | uses high speed SAS drives, not such plebian 7200rpm sata drives |
| [23:33:17] | Dagmar: | Just to make his epeen feel small, I'm sitting about 60 feet or so away from an array so big you could put all the porn on the internet on it probably |
| [23:34:08] | Lexridge: | Dagmar: Wow, that is a LOT of porn! ;) |
| [23:34:10] | iamlindoro: | The irony is that nobody in here even *cares* about anyone else's system specs as we're not 11 years old |
| [23:34:31] | iamlindoro: | So instead of seeming even marginally cool, lying just makes you look stupid |
| [23:34:45] | iamlindoro: | anyway, I assume he gets the point |
| [23:36:16] | Dagmar: | Lexridge: It's a lot of bloody disks, too |
| [23:36:23] | Dagmar: | Several racks full |
| [23:36:28] | Lexridge: | so this ag893a is being used for myth storage? That's seems a lot of overkill unless you are programming a tv station with it. |
| [23:36:43] | iamlindoro: | Lexridge, It's made up, that's what we've been establishing |
| [23:36:48] | Lexridge: | dagmar: I'll bet. The biggest I have at work is two 16 drive fibre channel units. Omneon. |
| [23:36:52] | thedarkone: | it not just for the the mythbox |
| [23:37:00] | iamlindoro: | oh for crying out loud |
| [23:37:04] | wagnerrp: | Lexridge: seems painfully small too, $10K for a meager 3.5TB |
| [23:37:23] | Lexridge: | yea, agreed. |
| [23:37:23] | Dagmar: | I wonder how the money for the disks AND all the impossible processing power fits into 12k |
| [23:37:40] | iamlindoro: | thedarkone, Between the channel logs and your apparent infamiliarity with the hardware you've allegedly "bought," if you want to have any chance of surviving in here you really need to let it go |
| [23:38:34] | thedarkone: | iamlindoro i am not unfamiliarity with parts i bought trust me.. |
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| [23:38:52] | thedarkone: | i could list all the parts but i would get kick out |
| [23:39:08] | Dagmar: | Because we would get tired of hearing your bullshit |
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| [23:39:38] | wagnerrp: | thedarkone: you claimed you bought 'four dual quad phaton 4s' |
| [23:39:49] | iamlindoro: | Not to mention the first 2 TB SAS drives have just been announced and not released... |
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| [23:39:58] | wagnerrp: | there is no such thing as a phaton processor, nor is there such a thing as a phenom 4 processor |
| [23:40:04] | wagnerrp: | they only go up to 2s |
| [23:40:15] | Dagmar: | Actually you can put laptop SATA disks in that |
| [23:40:19] | wagnerrp: | now there are 'X4' processors, but thats something completely different |
| [23:40:27] | Lexridge: | can lirc be used to directly contol mythfrontend via a serial port? |
| [23:40:31] | Dagmar: | Now that i've dug through inventory, I know we have two here |
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| [23:40:49] | thedarkone: | the cpu is a am phenom 2 x4 |
| [23:40:49] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, you can not put two phenom or phenom 2 processors in one machine |
| [23:40:54] | wagnerrp: | you have to use opterons for that |
| [23:41:02] | wagnerrp: | so the 'dual quad' just doesnt work |
| [23:41:17] | thedarkone: | i never said they were in 1 pc |
| [23:41:31] | wagnerrp: | yes you did! |
| [23:41:44] | wagnerrp: | otherwise you would have said '8 quad whateveres' |
| [23:42:57] | thedarkone: | sorry i missed prounced it |
| [23:43:14] | ** iamlindoro blinks, sighs ** | |
| [23:43:18] | Dagmar: | No, you just lied. |
| [23:43:28] | Dagmar: | Being unemployed is no reason to waste other people's time like this |
| [23:43:48] | iamlindoro: | I think "being 13 or younger" is the more likely culprit here |
| [23:43:57] | thedarkone: | i got a job |
| [23:44:09] | iamlindoro: | ugh, not as of TUESDAYS LOG you didn't |
| [23:44:17] | iamlindoro: | criminy |
| [23:44:18] | Dagmar: | No you don't. You were "layed" off. |
| [23:44:24] | thedarkone: | yeah i got one |
| [23:44:27] | wagnerrp: | when you do a lossless mpeg transcode, does it dump a TS or a PS? |
| [23:44:32] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, PS |
| [23:44:38] | thedarkone: | i opened a music studio |
| [23:44:52] | iamlindoro: | oh wow |
| [23:44:54] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: PS I'm pretty certain |
| [23:44:56] | wagnerrp: | so using 'split' to break up the double episode of 24 would be ill advised... |
| [23:45:04] | thedarkone: | dungenstudio's |
| [23:45:16] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Well, you could do a stream copy of the two results and get working output |
| [23:45:27] | Dagmar: | I think possibly the exact phrase for this moment is "EPIC FAIL" |
| [23:45:47] | thedarkone: | how so dagmar |
| [23:45:57] | Lexridge: | thedarkone: are you using ardour in your studio? |
| [23:46:07] | thedarkone: | no sonar |
| [23:46:14] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i have a couple utilities i could do it with, but just using a file split wouldnt work... is what im asking |
| [23:46:16] | Lexridge: | agh! |
| [23:46:23] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, right |
| [23:46:48] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: avidemux should be able to do what you need. Just use copy mode for your clips. |
| [23:46:53] | thedarkone: | lexridge sonar8 is the best for recording with a tascam 4800 |
| [23:47:20] | Dagmar: | I find it hard to believe someone who can't figure out how to set up their video card could ever manage a NAS unit |
| [23:47:42] | Dagmar: | ...and any idiot can go copy a line from a forum and paste it. |
| [23:48:41] | thedarkone: | dagmar video card the wintv is nothing i ever used before if u put a dvb-s dvb-s2 even dvb-t i can set up in 2 mins |
| [23:48:57] | Dagmar: | No, you can't. |
| [23:49:04] | thedarkone: | yes i can |
| [23:49:18] | thedarkone: | i runing right now 3 dvb-s cards |
| [23:49:27] | thedarkone: | 2 twinhans 1 nova |
| [23:49:32] | Dagmar: | Ask me if I care |
| [23:49:35] | Dagmar: | Go ahead, ask me. |
| [23:49:37] | mzb_d800: | children |
| [23:49:59] | thedarkone: | no thanks dagmar |
| [23:50:25] | iamlindoro: | UGh, and how exactly would someone in PENNSYLVANIA set up a DVB-S2 or DVB-T card, anyway? |
| [23:50:31] | iamlindoro: | I'd love to know |
| [23:50:44] | iamlindoro: | perhaps with an antenna and a very VERY long coaxial cable? |
| [23:51:12] | Dagmar: | They're picking up programming from MadeUpCrapovia |
| [23:51:22] | wagnerrp: | thedarkone: you asked me with the wintv card could do digital, and then said you didnt want to bother with digital if you had to buy another card |
| [23:51:29] | thedarkone: | dvb-s2 is easy |
| [23:51:48] | iamlindoro: | thedarkone, DVB-S2 is NOT easy in a country WITH NO DVB-S2 |
| [23:51:54] | wagnerrp: | is dvb-s2 even available in mythtv without patches? |
| [23:51:55] | iamlindoro: | or DVB-T |
| [23:51:59] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, No |
| [23:52:01] | thedarkone: | echostar is dvbs2 |
| [23:52:06] | iamlindoro: | thedarkone, no, it's not. |
| [23:52:19] | thedarkone: | what u think dishnetwork hd is |
| [23:52:30] | iamlindoro: | DVB-S with 8PSK modulation. |
| [23:52:34] | Dagmar: | The answer "in the process of transitioning to S2" comes to mind |
| [23:52:58] | iamlindoro: | thedarkone, I *promise* you you're not going to "out-TV-knowledge" me |
| [23:53:05] | Dagmar: | Dont make up shit to tell people in a channel full of people who hear what's being used where every day of the month |
| [23:53:26] | mzb_d800: | speaking of things in the wrong country, would anyone like a MyHD MDP-120? |
| [23:53:50] | thedarkone: | well iamlindoro i use dvb-s2 genpix |
| [23:54:03] | Dagmar: | So what about thie DVB-T |
| [23:54:09] | Dagmar: | How do you deal with the signal occlusion |
| [23:54:13] | iamlindoro: | thedarkone, oh realllllllllly? |
| [23:54:26] | Dagmar: | It's a really hard problem to solve from an engineering standpoint |
| [23:54:31] | Dagmar: | Tell us a little about your solution |
| [23:54:40] | iamlindoro: | http://www.genpix-electronics.com/ |
| [23:54:42] | iamlindoro: | Show me which |
| [23:54:56] | Dagmar: | It tends to result in most people getting pretty poor signal |
| [23:55:07] | Dagmar: | ...hence all the signal boosters on the market |
| [23:55:07] | mzb_d800: | would anyone like a MyHD MDP-120? |
| [23:55:20] | iamlindoro: | "DVB-S2 standard is not supported (incompatible FEC)" |
| [23:55:34] | sid3windr: | fec that! |
| [23:55:38] | iamlindoro: | That's from the skywalker-1 and skywalker 2 paged |
| [23:55:44] | mzb_d800: | meh |
| [23:56:04] | iamlindoro: | and from the 8PSK-to-USB page |
| [23:56:05] | Dagmar: | Google not really helping you come up with a solution to DVB-T signal occulsion I se |
| [23:56:06] | wagnerrp: | whats the point of making a 'skywalker 2' if it doesnt support dvb-s2? |
| [23:56:08] | thedarkone: | one i have is a dvbs2–8psk |
| [23:56:18] | iamlindoro: | thedarkone, genpix doesn't MAKE a DVB-S2 card |
| [23:56:28] | iamlindoro: | F***************************************************************CK |
| [23:56:28] | thedarkone: | even my pansat has it |
| [23:56:37] | thedarkone: | 9200 |
| [23:56:52] | wagnerrp: | i guess the 1 is a usb box, while the 2 is a internal card |
| [23:57:01] | Dagmar: | So what about the DVB-T again? |
| [23:57:06] | Dagmar: | Question too hard for you?> |
| [23:57:06] | thedarkone: | i got mine from cyberstore |
| [23:57:24] | wagnerrp: | an internal usb card no less |
| [23:57:35] | sid3windr: | I see #mythtv-users is devouring a poor newbie again |
| [23:57:38] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [23:57:39] | iamlindoro: | thedarkone, You are getting on my nerves-- a) Genpix doesn't MAKE a DVB-S2 card |
| [23:57:41] | wagnerrp: | sounds like the thing youre trying to hack out of your hdpvr iamlindoro |
| [23:57:45] | ** sid3windr sits back and relaxes with some popcorn ** | |
| [23:57:46] | iamlindoro: | b) you are talking about TELEVISION THEFT |
| [23:57:56] | iamlindoro: | c) I WILL MAKE YOU MISERABLE |
| [23:58:01] | Dagmar: | sid3windr: Newbie? Try pathological liar |
| [23:58:33] | iamlindoro: | sid3windr, Newbies are fine, it's the lying combined with total idiocy that gets under the skin |
| [23:58:37] | thedarkone: | no theft i am lindoro |
| [23:58:46] | iamlindoro: | thedarkone, You need to sign off now |
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