Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, March 6th, 2009, 00:02 UTC

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gbee:

use the GUI, exact position may differ between trunk and -fixes, but IIRC it's under xinerama settings in 0.21, second page of the Appearence settings maybe? 'Monitor Aspect Ratio'

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** awilkins hunts **

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awilkins:

I manually set the xinerama ratio to 1.7777 in the settings table

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awilkins:

Annoyingly enough, the circular images in the wide-screen theme are circles

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awilkins:

So that's right :-)

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awilkins:

Maybe I should take the DisplaySize setting out of my xorg.conf

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gbee:

measure the physical dimensions of the screen and use those in DisplaySize

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** gbee notices the time **

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awilkins:

I had a correct one

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awilkins:

I've just commented it out

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awilkins:

dammit

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** awilkins has a frenge **

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** awilkins puts it back **

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nick2112:

why would a mpeg-2 encoder interfere with X?

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nick2112:

when its in the PCI slot... my gpu wont work.

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wagnerrp:

nick2112: what card?

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nick2112:

hauppauge hvr 1600

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wagnerrp:

apparently theres a problem with that card, that it needs to much I/O memory space

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wagnerrp:

between it, and the video card, you run out

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nick2112:

oh...

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wagnerrp:

you have to pass a variable to the kernel to expand that, using your boot loader

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nick2112:

would it be because i didnt give power to the tuner card?

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wagnerrp:

give power to the tuner card?

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nick2112:

ehh... uhh.

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nick2112:

plug the power supply into it

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nick2112:

it has a connector and i didnt know what it was.

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wagnerrp:

why/how would you plug the power supply into it?

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nick2112:

maybe its for hte psu

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nick2112:

the*

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wagnerrp:

there is no power input on any tuner card i know of

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wagnerrp:

except maybe the high end All-In-Wonders

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wagnerrp:

and thats only because the attached graphics card already needs additional power

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iamlindoro:

It's not power

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wagnerrp:

if your graphics card has a power plug, you should plug that in

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iamlindoro:

Hauppauge dual tuners have the breakout bracket

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nick2112:

?? breakout

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nick2112:

yeah, i have the dual tuner one

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wagnerrp:

oh, you mean the white header on the board?

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iamlindoro:

yes, that's what he means

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iamlindoro:

(apparently)

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nick2112:

oh, what would that be for?

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wagnerrp:

regardless of what youre talking about, there is no power input on a hauppauge tuner card

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nick2112:

oh

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wagnerrp:

and attempting to provide power will only end in tears

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nick2112:

how could i solve this problem?

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wagnerrp:

the header allows you to add a bracket for rca inputs to the analog encoder

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nick2112:

oh

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wagnerrp:

i know of two reasons why X would not work after you inserted a 1600

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wagnerrp:

one, your PCI ordering has changed

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nick2112:

thats what i thought

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wagnerrp:

and your xorg.conf is subsequently telling X to use the wrong card

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wagnerrp:

or, the vmem thing

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nick2112:

when i start x.... i cant even ctrl alt backspace out of it.

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nick2112:

its just a black screen.

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wagnerrp:

ah... 'vmalloc=256M'

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wagnerrp:

shove that in your boot loader, reboot, see if its fixed

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nick2112:

where would i insert that?

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nick2112:

after the ro 3?

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nick2112:

lol, im a noob

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nick2112:

in the kernel line right?

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wagnerrp:

in the 'kernel' or 'append' line, depending on your loader

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nick2112:

grub

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wagnerrp:

i havent actually messed with grub or lilo in 4 years

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wagnerrp:

grub is 'kernel', and lilo is 'append', i believe

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nick2112:

alright im gonna try it :D

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wagnerrp:

you should have a number of other variables already passed to it, just add one more

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sphery:

iamlindoro: if he did invent myth_find_orphans.pl did he at least do it right (with the perl bindings?)

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sphery:

Guess not. It's even worse than the existing one...

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nick2112:

damn wagner... your the shit.

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nick2112:

haha, it worked.

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nick2112:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

good to hear

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nick2112:

:P

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nick2112:

is vmalloc bad?

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nick2112:

like stress wise on your computer

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** kormoc blinks **

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awilkins:

I may have worked this aspect thing out

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awilkins:

Mythbuntu passes the -dpi argument to X

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** awilkins hopes that's it **

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sphery:

many distros are broken that way.

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awilkins:

Darn, either that isn't it or I killed the wrong dpi arg

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sphery:

though the DPI is irrelevant from Myth's perspective starting with 0.21... Only the aspect is important now (though with some setups, the -dpi arg will break the aspect).

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sphery:

awilkins: did you see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Display_Size

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awilkins:

Yes, and the others

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awilkins:

I've set display size from my old xorg.conf, which worked

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awilkins:

(on the old box)

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sphery:

what do you get from xdpyinfo (please pastebin)

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awilkins:

last time I ran that the box locked hard

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awilkins:

Well, X did

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awilkins:

Hmm, it seems to be the terminal window

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awilkins:

It just did it again after I ran a command with a lot of output (set)

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awilkins:

That's not good

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sphery:

if that doesn't run, your X is so messed up I wouldn't expect to be able to make Myth work properly

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awilkins:

It runs, but something else killed X

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sphery:

sounds like some seriously broken drivers

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awilkins:

Might have the wrong options on :-)

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awilkins:

I looked though the xorg log to find that it had calced dpi from argument

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sphery:

DPI is irrelevant... Only the aspect is important... With square pixels, the aspect would be determined by the ratio of width to height of DisplaySize

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awilkins:

THe log says "100x100, from dpi argument"

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sphery:

if you have DPI that specifies non-square pixels (i.e. differing DPI in x and y axes), it's a harder calc, but still it's not the DPI, but the aspect that's important

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awilkins:

It shouldn't be, the pixels need to be long

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sphery:

so you're saying you have non-square pixels?

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awilkins:

Yes, it's a 16:9 screen showing 1024x768

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sphery:

is this an HDTV or a projector or ...

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awilkins:

Just a CRT

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awilkins:

TV

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sphery:

using TV out?

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awilkins:

Yes

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sphery:

why not run X at a proper 16:9 square-pixel aspect?

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awilkins:

Driver won't do it

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awilkins:

It only supports 4:3 pixel ratios for TV out

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awilkins:

log still says "(++) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (100, 100); computed from -dpi X commandline option"

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awilkins:

I must've killed the wrong DPI arg

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sphery:

you have to unbreak your distro before any changes will take effect

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** awilkins greps again **

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sphery:

you can't specify non-square pixels with the command-line argument, either

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** sphery curses broken distros that use -dpi argument **

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awilkins:

It worked for my previous distro

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awilkins:

(which was a hand-rolled gentoo box)

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awilkins:

Right, the only instances of the string "dpi" in my etc are now in SSL certs...

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** awilkins spangs alt-ctrl-backspace **

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sphery:

you do realize that X is started by a script in /usr/bin or whatever, right?

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sphery:

i.e. the program that gets run is /not/ an ELF binary

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sphery:

I think ubuntu hardcodes the -dpi in there

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awilkins:

There was a -dpi 100 arg in several places in a config file here

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awilkins:

But I'll have a grep around

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awilkins:

You may well be right.... it's still not right. It's getting the aspect of the video right, because 4:3 fills the screen and 16:9 has blackbars

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sphery:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5345786&postcount=3

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** awilkins checks for this file **

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sphery:

that was the only recent one I found with just a little bit of googling, but it would be /much/ easier to find if I had an Ubuntu machine

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awilkins:

Ahahaaha https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/151310

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sphery:

I say to grep /usr for '-dpi' , i.e. find /usr -print0 | xargs -0 grep — '-dpi'

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** awilkins slaps Mythbuntu team senseless with kipper **

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sphery:

or maybe you found it

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awilkins:

I think I already killed that instance of dpi 100 though

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sphery:

laga: regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/151310/comments/4 , it /does/ hurt because the -dpi command line arg will override any other configuration (save for drivers that ignore all configuration, like NVIDIA), so it makes it very difficult for users to undo the command-line override of the configuration files when they need to configure differently

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** awilkins has re-raised that bug **

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iamlindoro:

sphery, so I fat-fingered the keyboard last night and deleted lost-- so I get to archive next week's "enhanced" episode, blech

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awilkins:

What's an enhanced episode?

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iamlindoro:

sort of like pop up video

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

they run little subtitles explaining easter eggs and whatnot

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sphery:

I like the enhanced episodes...

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** awilkins has proper aspect back **

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I like my nice clean source

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** awilkins rejoices **

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wagnerrp:

i was flipping through the channels yesterday, and saw one of those

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sphery:

wouldn'tm mind just recording them, but I hadn't put enough thought into it

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wagnerrp:

had a little popup on the bottom of the screen, giving past information on one of the characters

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iamlindoro:

they play the previous weeks enhanced before the current week's unenhanced

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wagnerrp:

in case you happened to get confused with the story line over the past several years

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awilkins:

Sounds dreadful

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awilkins:

Sounds like the sort of thing they should put in MHEG

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awilkins:

Then at least you can choose whether you want it or not

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sphery:

awilkins: got your X working? and we're in the US, so too technologically primitive to have fanciness like mheg

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sphery:

instead, we get differing proprietary implementations of similar ideas spawned by cable/sat operators

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awilkins:

sphery: Yes, Ezri Dax is no longer flat

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awilkins:

Now I just have to figure out the key bindings

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reeeeeesty:

how can i find out my pci card location for the capture card setup?

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reeeeeesty:

its not /dev/v4l/video0

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wagnerrp:

check dmesg

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, How close would you say support for the xl1b is? Debating picking one up

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iamlindoro:

(although I suppose I could get one and put it to work ripping DVDs)

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wagnerrp:

you have enough unripped dvds that it would be worthwhile?

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, I have a lot that don't have HD sources yet

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iamlindoro:

And a fair number that never will (TV shows) so maybe I'll get that stuff ripped

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jams:

iamlindoro- if/when you get one set the rip speed to slow or medium. anything higher and the risk of scratching the dvd on disk change increases significantly.

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iamlindoro:

jams, Good to know, thanks

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iamlindoro:

And I'm in no rush to do the ripping anyway

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iamlindoro:

Will be interesting to test libswscale with some of that stuff

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jams:

should be able to dig up my rip scripts if you want them.

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iamlindoro:

I probably will, thanks-- not sure if I'll buy the one I see but I am fairly sure I'll buy one at some point

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jams:

it's the reason i asked you that one day about cmdline support for clonedvd.

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iamlindoro:

jams, any clever logic w/r/t naming the rips?

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wagnerrp:

can it be used as a normal dvd player? or is it a computer drive only?

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jams:

based off diskname/discid

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, it's a drive only

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awilkins:

While we're talking about rips and aspect ratios

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iamlindoro:

was meants as a companion to their VAIO computers AFAIK

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awilkins:

- can you get the transcoder to put the right aspect ratio metadata in it's output?

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jams:

iamlindoro- so whats your source, seems like just nobody has them anymore

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awilkins:

Because I've noted that whenever I rip it loses that data

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iamlindoro:

jams, Well, there are a few shops here with used ones that I've seen, but I'll likely just buy a refurb on ebay

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jams:

ah

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awilkins:

Or is this a limitation of the container format?

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Hooch_:

Hey guys, helping a friend and setting up trunk, when I run the Frontend I am getting QProcess: Destroyed while process is still running. about 5 or 6 times and it takes forever for the menu to show up. Googling I come up with QT errors but don't see anything on the problem. Anyone seen that?

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Hooch_:

see some stuff in the ml sorry reading that now

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iamlindoro:

awilkins, I generally don't rip with Mythvideo and when I have it's always been straight to ISO or VOB, but it's very likely you can do a stream copy of your resulting file in ffmpeg and set the aspect ratio that way, ie ffmpeg -i infile.avi -acodec copy -vcodec copy -aspect 16:9 outfile.avi

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iamlindoro:

awilkins, Note that I don't generally work w/ AVI containers so while that should work, I can't guarantee that it will

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Lexridge:

Stupid question: How can I make the volume keys [] actually control my volume level? I see the volume bar just fine, and it adjusts, but makes no difference in level.

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wagnerrp:

youre using digital audio?

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Lexridge:

my card is a delta 1010 using alsa

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Lexridge:

isn't it all digital?

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wagnerrp:

isnt what?

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iamlindoro:

Are you using an analog out from your card, or a digital one?

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Lexridge:

oh, analog outs to an amp.

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Lexridge:

currently I control my volume with the Envy24 control util.

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iamlindoro:

in that case, it's likely you're using the wrong mixer device-- check the general settings pages for audio and try different settings for the mixer

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Lexridge:

my output audio device is ALSA:default and mixer device si also ALSA:default.

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Lexridge:

I'll try it with /dev/mixer and see what happens.

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Lexridge:

well, I've tried all three. Alsa, dev/mixer and dev/mixer1 None work.

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iamlindoro:

Those are just the autofilled ones

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iamlindoro:

aplay -L

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iamlindoro:

those are the things you can put next to ALSA:

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iamlindoro:

which may or may not work

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iamlindoro:

and the setting for Mixer controls:

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iamlindoro:

may be wrong too

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iamlindoro:

ie if you have it set to Mixer controls: PCM it may need to be Master or vice versa

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Lexridge:

I've tried both PCM and Master. Also, http://pastebin.ca/1353992

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, wonder how hard it would be for me to hack my Blu ray drive into the changer

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wagnerrp:

i assume you would keep data and command separate?

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iamlindoro:

hm?

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wagnerrp:

well the changer is firewire attached, correct? both data and servo control in one?

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iamlindoro:

yes, but I believe the drive within is just IDE (like my BD-ROM)

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iamlindoro:

Taht said, it likely would need to be slot load and mine is not

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt say its a slot load, not in the normal sense of computer drive

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jams:

iamlindoro- Far as i know it has not been done and it's still work in progress to accomplish it.

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jams:

thats for the BD support

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iamlindoro:

jams, ah, was just about to ask which you meant ;)

[04:07:56]

** jams also looked into it a while ago. **

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iamlindoro:

Not expressly necessary, my collection is all ripped so far and I'm getting new Blu-ray disks slowly enough that I ideally shouldn'te ver need to batch-rip

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jams:

yep, that was the main reason i never opened it up to look for myself

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jams:

figured I would finish the batch import of dvd/cd before breaking it

[04:11:19]

jams:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php . . . 3&page=1 for some light reading

[04:11:26]

iamlindoro:

jams, Had you seen the import scripts I sent you?

[04:11:43]

jams:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

was just looking at the DVD ripper one, should be a snap to use handbrake instead of DD

[04:12:39]

jams:

yes

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jams:

never used handbrake, but i hear it's good

[04:13:21]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, its' great-- althgouh haven't used it in linux

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iamlindoro:

That said, I'll goof with it this week and see if I can cook up a decent command line before the hardware gets here

[04:14:15]

jams:

there is a firmware update for the changers, but you might not need it.

[04:14:51]

jams:

that wiki has alot of good info

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iamlindoro:

good lord handbrake has a weird build process

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Dagmar:

You think the *build* process is weird?

[04:16:02]

Dagmar:

You should try using it

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, I'm very familiar with handbrake and find it quite good

[04:16:23]

SlicerDicer:

iamlindoro: slow though :/

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iamlindoro:

works for me

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SlicerDicer:

I transcode all my iPhone/iPod stuff on my mythbox.. the Opteron 175 crushes my Core2 with handbrake :/

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iamlindoro:

lots of extra processor here

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SlicerDicer:

ohh no doubt it works its just a bit slower :/

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jams:

iamlindoro- unloading the thing is without a doubt the worst part of the entire process

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SlicerDicer:

2009-03–05 21:14:23.527 Database schema is old. Waiting to see if DB is being upgraded.

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SlicerDicer:

I copied the same SVN files from my backend and built them on a different machine?

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SlicerDicer:

what would be the reason its saying the database schema is old? any ideas?

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SlicerDicer:

I already updated my schema :/

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Dagmar:

You were using different versions of myth

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Dagmar:

*You* don't upgrade your schema, the backend does

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SlicerDicer:

Dagmar: thats why I am baffled when I did my install of svn the backend is working fine... it upgraded the schema fine

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Dagmar:

If one build is carping about it and the other isn't, then you messed up your SVN pull

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SlicerDicer:

frack...

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SlicerDicer:

I am version checking them Dagmar

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SlicerDicer:

Dagmar: I dont think I screwed it up I will try rebuilding it

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SlicerDicer:

there is no .svn on this computer as I did not grab it via svn.. so I am baffled

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iamlindoro:

make sure to make distclean on all your sources, then rm /usr{/local}/libmyth*, then make and make install

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SlicerDicer:

ok

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iamlindoro:

(once you've checked your source revisions across the board that is)

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iamlindoro:

erm, adn sorry

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Dagmar:

Yeah if you got a tarball for one of them then it's not entirely certain which SVN revision it might beunless you look really close

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SlicerDicer:

iamlindoro: I am grabbing the svn version that is on my mythbackend/frontend to make sure

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iamlindoro:

that's /usr/lib/libmyth* and /usr/local/lib/libmyth*

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iamlindoro:

sorry about the typo

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SlicerDicer:

Dagmar: checkout is what I do :)

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SlicerDicer:

20036

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SlicerDicer:

thats what SVN I am currently using

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SlicerDicer:

damn near bleeding eyeballs ;-)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: thanks a lot... you got me thinking about ripping dvds again...

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wagnerrp:

... and now i just came back upstairs with a whole spindle full of them

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Heheh, here to help ;)

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wagnerrp:

the funny thing is that i was planning out doing it all with my server

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wagnerrp:

i get back upstairs, and remember that i had moved my server down to the basement last weekend

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SlicerDicer:

Dagmar: no idea what the problem is :/

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SlicerDicer:

I cant seem to get it to werk :/

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tairno:

hello, i am going to setup a pvr for a friend of mine — he simply needs to store all his DVD's (a few Blue Ray discs) and have an easy way to navigate it. He was going to wait a while because he was looking at some prebuilt systems that cost more than 2k easy

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tairno:

Can you point e to some documentation that provides the hardware specs needed

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tairno:

like a walkthrough where someone has built a few --- I want to give him a range of what it could cost

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is really not designed to be run tunerless

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wagnerrp:

if you only want mythvideo, there are better options

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tairno:

wagnerrp: do you have something in mind? for a tunerless system? i believe all it needs to do is be able to rip dvds and blue ray onto the drives and then have them categorized with the artwork

[08:17:57]

tairno:

wouldnt an xbox 360 or ps3 be able to do that?

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tairno:

im just not sure how much space they can hold

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tairno:

he currently has over 800 dvds

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cesman:

tairno: you cannot rip bluray w/ Linux. If you could, such activity isn't discussed in this channel.

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cesman:

tairno: you are want something to simple playback dvds, then you should look at something like oxine

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cesman:

tairno: oxine is a "set top box" frontend to xine and you can create custom items in the menu...

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cesman:

that is that

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SpAc:

Hi, is there any reason my "forget old" button doesn't seem to do anything? There was a program on that I had already recorded once before (but deleted), and I wanted to record it again. It wouldn't record and pressing the "forget old" button didn't seem to make any difference either

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tony403:

how do i change deinterlacing options in mythtv?

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stuarta:

tony403: video playback profiles

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tony403:

ok thanks

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tony403:

is that in the backend?

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stuarta:

nope

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tony403:

ok, brb

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stuarta:

kinda frontend specific :)

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tony403:

i didn't see anything "deinterlace" specific in there

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SpAc:

I had to manually delete the show from the database in order to record it again. Surely this is what the "forget old" button (in mythweb) is for!?

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tony403:

i'm using a pvr150 with mint 6.0, latest nvidia drivers but getting quality that's not as good as vista

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stuarta:

SpAc: it's not immediate, it need a reschedule to happen

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stuarta:

and it doesn't delete the record

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stuarta:

it merely flipped one of the flags in the record

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stuarta:

s/flipped/flips

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SpAc:

stuarta: but even after pressing the button the page reloads with the "forget old" still there

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stuarta:

did you count to 20 and reload?

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SpAc:

haha... no, I must confess I didn't

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stuarta:

when you hit "forget old" it flips the bit in the record, and fires off a reschedule in the background

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stuarta:

while that's happening the page reloads

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SpAc:

Ok... so, cancel the schedule, tell it to forget, count to 20, then reschedule?

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SpAc:

I pressed the button plenty of times ;)

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stuarta:

a reschedule needs to happen before those changes become visible

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stuarta:

it should have worked, we know it's working, so it's a little odd

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SpAc:

ok. Let me test again.

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SpAc:

I just recorded a bit of a program that is still running. I've deleted the recording, and will now attempt to make it "forget" so I can continue recording.

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SpAc:

Must be something weird with my system

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** stuarta offers SpAc the stick of larting **

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SpAc:

I must be doing something stupid. I even tried counting to 20!

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tony403:

is there a way in the gui to not deinterlace the playback?

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tank-man:

yes tony403

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tony403:

also, will recording to an ntfs partition degrade performance much? my linux partition is close to filled

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tony403:

i'm googling but nothing specific and apparently they're using different versions. i've checked all in the gui and see no "deinterlace" options

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tank-man:

depends on video bitrate, hardrive speed probably

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tony403:

i get close to 100mb/s. it's a 1.5tb drive. just wondering if ntfs-3g will degrade write much

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tank-man:

stop wondering and just try it if you are curious

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tony403:

guess that would be best

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tank-man:

while playing back video, press m, pick video scan, unpick interlace

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tank-man:

or in settings too

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tony403:

oh, i remember that option. i thought it would be in the other options

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tank-man:

you just havent gone thru all the settings

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tony403:

totally forgot

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tank-man:

...

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tank-man:

i see you forgot what stuarta said to you above

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SpAc:

so after selecting "forget old" I still need to reschedule before I'll see any change, is that right?

[10:08:28]

tony403:

is there any reason i would get visual tearing when watching with a pvr150?

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tony403:

i have vsync enabled in the nvidia setup and in the gnome config thingy

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justinh:

bugger. damn unit isn't port multiplier aware. that'd be a bone of contention considering I have to document how to configure this unit with an eSATA RAID box. Meh

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Dibblah:

DIY OS?

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justinh:

heh. kind of

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Dibblah:

If it's linux based, the PM support is kernel version dependent.

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justinh:

the software across the range is allegedly based on a common core

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justinh:

but, depending on what the software detects the machine is, it turns different features on & off

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Dibblah:

Ah. "More magic" switches.

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justinh:

that or the code isn't as common as anybody makes out & every build has different stuff enabled

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stuarta:

i vote for option 2

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Cyberai:

Hey, can anyone tell me how to FORCE MythTV to run in a window on a frontend only system? I've tried the checkbox in the appearance setup and using the -w flag, but no luck.

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justinh:

no use running it in a window if the ui size is still at the defaults of 0x0 – full X size ;)

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justinh:

try mythfrontend -geometry FOOxBAR -w where FOO & BAR are numbers lower than the res X is running at

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Cyberai:

darn, I ran it with -geometry 720x400 -w and no dice

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justinh:

this frontend only setup then... does it have a window manager that uses decoration.. i.e. borders & the usual junk windows have?

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gbee:

which version?

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Cyberai:

oh yeah, it's not just a frontend, sorry I shoudl have been clearer. It's a workstation.

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Cyberai:

running gnome

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Cyberai:

I'm on 0.21

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Cyberai:

with fixes

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Cyberai:

ubuntu 8.10 to be precise, with 0.21/fixes

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Cyberai:

it just pops up in the upper left and I can't move it

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justinh:

I heard about a problem where window decorations didn't appear some time ago IIRC

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justinh:

works fine here on my nxserver display

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justinh:

MythTV Version : 19900, Library API : 0.21.20080304–1

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justinh:

that's also under GNOME btw

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Cyberai:

AHA! If you alt+click the window you can move it. Standard X behavior.

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justinh:

wonder why the window is missing its decoration though

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justinh:

I've never known the -w attribute to result in a bare window

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gbee:

wrpng window flags

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Cyberai:

what do you mean gbee ?

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justinh:

like, say mythtv being built with a given version of libs that use different flags to the WM in use?

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justinh:

just a stab in the dark. I wouldn't mind knowing too

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gbee:

I mean that we're passing QT the wrong window flags, or rather old window flags which are treated differently from window manager to window manager

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Cyberai:

hmmm, could be

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Cyberai:

well, for me it's problem solved with the alt+click to drag it. It's an annoyance, but not an issue.

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Cyberai:

it's a dual monitor system, so nice ot be able to move it around

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Cyberai:

thanks guys

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justinh:

gbee: so what would be the fix for that? build it yourself from clean?

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tony403:

can someone tell me how to tell mythtv that when i hold the volume button, to keep going?

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justinh:

that'd be a lirc config issue. you need to enable repeats

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gbee:

justinh: qt3/code issue

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justinh:

kk thanks gbee. was just curious

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gbee:

justinh: almost there – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mimic_foxsat2.png

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iamlindoro:

That enhanced edit mode looks neat, hope he rewrites against trunk

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iamlindoro:

gbee, that's looking good

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gbee:

original STB – http://regmedia.co.uk/2009/03/04/foxsat_hdr_6.jpg

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tairno:

can anyone tell me how much HD space would be needed for approx space a approx 800 dvds ? and to prepare the the near future? Maybe 1 or 2 years

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iamlindoro:

800 X ~8.5 GB

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gbee:

4x 2Tb drives would be a start

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** justinh has got the big guns out. SATA analyser **

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justinh:

talked to our driver guy, he says that this box isn't one our kit has ever talked to before, so it's likely we no speak its lingo. heh

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justinh:

sata is sata is sata is sata, right? Errr no

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sid3windr:

lol

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iamlindoro:

kinda like uPnP is universal?

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justinh:

so while we wait for the box manufacturer to get back to us with protocol specifics, I think it'd be nice to get some capture from it being identified by a PC

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iamlindoro:

Heh, TMDB you silly girl

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iamlindoro:

Young Frankenstein-- Mel Brooks as The Monster?

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iamlindoro:

That's Peter Boyle you doofs

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justinh:

it's user submitted. better get editing & watch your edits get voted down by people who think they know better

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sid3windr:

oh my

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sid3windr:

wikipedia all over again? :P

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justinh:

it's doooomed, doooooooooooooooooooomed I tells ya

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iamlindoro:

Maybe it just needs MOAR MYTH USRS

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iamlindoro:

Can't account for the folks who've been using it, they're not givers

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justinh:

gah. OOB signalling on this bus.

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iamlindoro:

Lord knows our community is filled with pedantic correctors

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justinh:

hrm. wonder what all this guff means. only used this analyser once before

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tony403:

i'm getting picture choppiness almost any time i use the remote. is this normal?

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iamlindoro:

It is if your system is too slow

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tony403:

it's a q6600 w/8800gt recording to a HDD rated at 100mb/s. it should suffice

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tony403:

although it's recording to an ntfs drive, if it makes a difference but it was like that before when recording to my ext3 drive

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justinh:

ffs

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justinh:

ntfs won't be helping

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tony403:

i asked here and no one knew so i was told just to give it a shot

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tony403:

is there no kind of sharpness setting in mythtv? image is kind of blurry

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sid3windr:

ntfs is painful

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sid3windr:

especially ntfs-3g

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sid3windr:

and especially writing to it

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justinh:

ah so if in doubt, guess. I like that

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justinh:

tony403: if you're using analogue capture, it'll always look crap on a computer monitor. SDTV doesn't scale well & monitors are very unforgiving

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justinh:

LCDs even more so

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gbee:

tony403: what version? mythfrontend --version

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justinh:

if you're using analogue you can try upping the capture resolution of your recording profiles, but AFAIK they should now be at the maximum by default anyway

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tony403:

gbee, 1872

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tony403:

*18722

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gbee:

upgrade, that's ancient

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tony403:

yes, it's maxxed out. it just doesn't look as good as vista or perform as well. i'd blame nvidia partly and not sure why it's choppy when using the remote

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tony403:

it's the latest in the repos.

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gbee:

and there was a bug causing the remote issues you describe

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tony403:

just installed it yesterday

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tony403:

if it's not in the standard repos, it's not considered stable, correct?

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tony403:

using mint 6, btw

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gbee:

tony403: there are newer stable revisions, packagers have nothing to do with us and they operate on their own schedules amd with their own motives

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gbee:

that particular revision dates from October of last year

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tony403:

crap. so will this screw my good install. how much trouble will this cause because i finally got it running better than i ever have

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sid3windr:

but it's still not good is it :p

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tony403:

so do i uninstall the one from the repos or just overwrite it?

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tony403:

nvm, on the page, it shows mine as the latest release although it's from last year

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iamlindoro_:

This is a solid example of why using a distro that's a derivative of a derivative of a derivative is probably going to make getting recent packages tough

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iamlindoro_:

Ubuntu/Mythbuntu proper has weekly myth updates

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: is that just another way of saying 'dregs' ?

[16:13:22]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: A nicer way, but a way ;)

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justinh:

I want to start using JusBuntu. It's just like ubuntu but with a different splash image

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iamlindoro_:

"Linux Mint is an elegant, easy to use, up to date and comfortable GNU/Linux desktop distribution."

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iamlindoro_:

Ah well, 0 out of 4 ain't bad

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cityLights1:

just to drop a line about my attemps with 0.22_alpha20089

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cityLights1:

I had an old ati card , and I changed it to nvidia MX400

[16:16:03]

cityLights1:

yet I still get the prebuffuffering

[16:16:24]

cityLights1:

I adviced with the wiki about it , yet I still can't watch live tv

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cityLights1:

It did wotk on 0.20 three weeks ago

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cityLights1:

guess I still need to dig

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InHisName:

I have gotten tvtime to work video for Hauppauge HVR 1800. Following another howto – command ivtv. I didn't have, installed but make has many failures. http://www.pastebin.ca/1354504 Did I install to wrong directory? or what else did I do in error ?

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iamlindoro_:

InHisName: the HVR-1800 isn't an ivtv card

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iamlindoro_:

You should seek help in #linuxtv

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InHisName:

more hauppauge users are in there than here ?

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sid3windr:

this is not a channel for tv cards :]

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InHisName:

This is just for after you're fully up and running?

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iamlindoro_:

InHisName: Yes

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kshots:

yes

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InHisName:

oh

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justinh:

I thought TV cards were those ads you sometimes see in public telephone boxes

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, the HVR-1800 won't do you a whole lot of good in myth

[16:22:55]

iamlindoro_:

As you can only use the digital tuner in Myth ATM

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iamlindoro_:

So if you intend to capture analog, you're in for at least a wait, if not a return to the store

[16:23:25]

iamlindoro_:

Plus, as an aside, tvtime isn't the right app to test an HVR-1800

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iamlindoro_:

as TVtime can't control an hardware encoder *or* a digital tuner

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iamlindoro_:

meaning you can only use the fallback framegrabber on the card in tvtime

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iamlindoro_:

making it a more or less useless test

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, off to #linuxtv, where you will likely need to be patient in waiting for your answer

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iamlindoro_:

Erm, and don't just cut and paste your question

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iamlindoro_:

as I've mentioned, it's not an ivtv card

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iamlindoro_:

So why not ask how to install the driver and firmware for your card?

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sid3windr:

:)

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gbee:

justinh: done – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Demo_Theme#Keyword_Search

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iamlindoro_:

showoff

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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gbee:

not quite the attention to detail that I've given in the past

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justinh:

bloody hell :)

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** iamlindoro_ waits for justinh to mention the futilitiy of concept blah blah again ;) **

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iamlindoro_:

er futility

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: it's officially canned

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iamlindoro_:

hehe, So you get to start something new then :)

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iamlindoro_:

Concept2

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justinh:

no point going muh, if only I could be arsed.

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justinh:

I'm just not in a doing mythtv things phase at the mo

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: It might be worth doing the XBMC AEON layout as your menu mimic (although I know you already have an aeon screen)

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iamlindoro_:

might need to wait for your RSS widget, though

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justinh:

too set in my old ways to be able to make anything comparable to the stuff you folks are doing anyway

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: BTW, is that still on deck for .22?

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: What a load

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: I bet if you MAKE yourself do a screen or two, setting out to do something you think you would HATE, then it will give you the inspiration to try something totally different

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: sure, though I'm lacking the energy to work on it atm

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justinh:

that's a more polite way of saying that I don't want the aggro. I'm not cut out for being on the receiving end of crit

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Heh, ok :)

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justinh:

I'm not tactful at giving it out either

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iamlindoro_:

oh well, I think you've got too much talent to use lack of ability as an excuse, anyway

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iamlindoro_:

just not wanting to is a fair reason

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Dubstar_04:

afternoon guys

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: nah, when it comes to thinking about new ways to lay stuff out, people are WAY ahead of me

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: I'm just stealing from newer examples ;)

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justinh:

I only ever stole ideas anyway

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Dubstar_04:

I need some advise: my tv went pop this morning and i need to get a new one, 37" lcd any recommendations?

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justinh:

go & audition as many as you can with your eyes :)

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: You're in a wiki-editing mood lately, though, feel free to write reference pages for recordings-ui or schedule-ui ;)

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: anyway, I'm sure when I have something positive to contribute again I will

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iamlindoro_:

There ya go

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Dubstar_04:

justinh: thats what i was planning, plus i have to google phone so i can scan them and get an instant price check

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squish103:

does anyone know if a ATI TV Wonder HD 650 working in linux? i've google a little and it does not seem suported

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cesman:

squish103: check the v4l/dvb wiki

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justinh:

there are still things I want to do in the code before I ever pick up another bitmap

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squish103:

cesman so a search on wiki returning no results is probably a bad thing :(

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cesman:

squish103: all depends if the wiki is kept up to date

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cesman:

squish103: you can always check the card lists under Documentation in the kernel source, that is probably the most up to date

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squish103:

ok thanks

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cesman:

you're welcome

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iamlindoro_:

In general, though, ATI tuners have exceptionally poor to nonexistent linux support

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kshots:

are you looking to obtain a tuner?

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kshots:

or do you already have this one?

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squish103:

it was on special at bestbuy for $50

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squish103:

and it was pci express

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kshots:

k

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squish103:

i have run out of pci slots

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kshots:

heh, that's why mythtv has a backend

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squish103:

in my backend

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI/AMD . . . _PCI_Express

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kshots:

that's why it supports *multiple* backends :)

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squish103:

haha.. ok, but i'm also concious of the amount of electricity it takes to run multiple computers

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kshots:

not much... use a via or atom machine

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kshots:

I've got a couple that consume 40W combined

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justinh:

bloody hell, just popped out of the lab & it's like the Mary Celeste out there

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justinh:

that'd be my cure

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justinh:

*cue

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_abbenormal:

hey iamlindoro_ you around

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_abbenormal:

have you heard if anyone is having issue with video frame buffersfailed too many times lately

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iamlindoro_:

_abbenormal: Not familiar with that one-- is that a VDPAU error?

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: new error message added by danielk

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gbee:

appears in a popup

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_abbenormal:

at this point im not sure im not finding anything on the error but it is stoping myth and dumping to main menu

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_abbenormal:

i dont think its a vdpau problem i just switched off from it to opengl and it did the same thing

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_abbenormal:

playback is set to cpu++ ffmpeg & opengl

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_abbenormal:

going to change it to something else and try again

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iamlindoro_:

_abbenormal: Try slim instead of CPU++

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iamlindoro_:

ffmpeg and xv-blit should be the most solid decoder/renderer pairing

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Batshua:

Beep.

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Batshua:

I have been looking at my mythbackend logs.

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Batshua:

I don't understand them exactly, but it DOES look like FireWire is a bit borked.

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Batshua:

2009-02–26 21:37:12.169 LFireDev(0014F8B34D400000), Warning: No Input in 1050 msec...

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Batshua:

and then it resets the bus and signal

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Batshua:

Can anyone tell me what this means?

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iamlindoro_:

That's a sign that the channel is 5C or the connection isn't primed

[17:36:32]

Batshua:

How do I know which one it is?

[17:36:55]

Batshua:

Is there some way to force it to prime or should I just assume if I can get other channels, that this one must be encrypted?

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iamlindoro_:

If you are getting other channels, then it's likely not a priming issue

[17:37:30]

iamlindoro_:

And if it's reliably that way on a given channel then yes, it's a pretty sure sign that it's 5C

[17:37:59]

Batshua:

Okay, I will poke at myth some more and see if I can get the channel or not.

[17:38:03]

Batshua:

Thank you.

[17:38:04]

iamlindoro_:

np

[17:38:26]

iamlindoro_:

gbee: Thanks, hadn't seen that one yet

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** Batshua sighs **

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Batshua:

I think it's time to get that capture card.

[17:45:49]

Batshua:

I need to see who's gonna be financing this little endeavor.

[17:48:25]

Batshua:

Does anyone know if the Hauppauge 1192 HDTV Tuner/Video Recorder is sufficient for my needs?

[17:48:48]

gbee:

never heard of it

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Batshua:

What I know is it captures HD and circumvents 5C.

[17:49:13]

Batshua:

no, I lie.

[17:49:16]

Batshua:

I know that the 1212 does that

[17:49:21]

Batshua:

but the 1212 is more expensive.

[17:49:24]

gbee:

ah, you mean an HVR-1950

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gbee:

and by 1212 you mean HD-PVR

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iamlindoro_:

The HD-PVR is the only one that will capture HD from your set top box

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iamlindoro_:

any other device might capture unencrypted QAM from the wall, or analog SD from the box, or even both, but if you want HD from the box, *only* the HD-PVR will do

[17:50:58]

iamlindoro_:

and that is not supported in any released version of myth

[17:51:08]

iamlindoro_:

(but is in trunk and shall be when .22 is released)

[17:51:42]

Batshua:

Most of my channels are encrypted.

[17:52:03]

iamlindoro_:

most of most people's channels are encrypted ;)

[17:52:19]

Batshua:

It would have been nice to know that before I built a PVR.

[17:52:21]

Batshua:

Ahwell.

[17:52:39]

Batshua:

so, my only options is the HD-PVR, not the HVR-1950?

[17:52:50]

iamlindoro_:

the HVR-1950 would work to capture SD from your box

[17:52:58]

iamlindoro_:

but so would many many other devices

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Batshua:

Right.

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iamlindoro_:

if you want to capture HD from your encrypted channels, and firewire isn't working properly, then yes, the HD-PVR is the only choice

[17:53:36]

iamlindoro_:

and regarding knowing before you started... lots and lots of information about that out there, but you needed to read it :)

[17:53:38]

Batshua:

I can only capture OTA crap right now. I don't know what's what with that.

[17:53:50]

Batshua:

I researched for over a MONTH before I even started looking for parts.

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Batshua:

And that took a couple of weeks.

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_HDTV

[17:55:02]

iamlindoro_:

Guess you missed the hundreds of references in the wiki then

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iamlindoro_:

or

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

[17:56:09]

Batshua:

it wasn't HD I was concerned about.

[17:56:23]

iamlindoro_:

The latter link isn't just HD

[17:56:29]

iamlindoro_:

"Unfortunately, QAM channels are almost always provided encrypted, so this method does not work for most."

[17:56:45]

iamlindoro_:

So anyway, all that info is out there and very very prevalent, you just missed it

[17:58:32]

Batshua:

Initially I wasn't going to use FireWire. This was a strong suggestion made by a local PVR builder given that I was unable to make mythbackend work with any of the other setup options.

[18:00:11]

meshe:

is the signal from component as good as hdmi?

[18:00:25]

iamlindoro_:

So then the issue wasn't that the information wasn't both accessible and clear, but that you changed plans mid-stream-- anyway, the point is there are literally hundreds of references to the limitations of each capture type on the wiki and in the documentation-- so it's not anyone else's fault if you didn't know that

[18:00:59]

gbee:

digital vs analogue, so technically no, but whether you'd notice the difference?

[18:01:02]

iamlindoro_:

meshe: Depends who you ask-- if there's a difference IMO it's practically imperceptible-- maybe *slightly* softer edges

[18:01:10]

Batshua:

I initially was going to go with a really simple plan. It didn't work.

[18:01:24]

meshe:

cool

[18:01:51]

iamlindoro_:

meshe: I have been very VERY happy with my captures on the HD-PVR with the bitrate cranked up

[18:02:22]

meshe:

nice, looks like a great product

[18:02:38]

meshe:

and they can't encrypt the signal coming out the component

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iamlindoro_:

Once some of the more annoying device behaviors are worked around, and once it's possible to losslessly cut commercials, I believe it will be a great "catch all" capture device when digital capture isn't possible

[18:03:16]

AndyCap:

Anyone have experience with http://www.xfxforce.com/en-gb/products/mother . . . %209300.aspx this as a frontend? I see the asus equivalent is mentioned on the wiki

[18:04:43]

_abbenormal:

thanks iamlindoro_ ill try them later got to run out

[18:05:37]

mchou:

AndyCap: you have cpu already or ?

[18:06:23]

AndyCap:

mchou: nah, not really. but 775 is at the bottom of the price/performance curve it seems.

[18:06:29]

AndyCap:

mchou: would you recommend something else?

[18:07:06]

mchou:

AndyCap: I dont recommend nvidia or xfx

[18:07:23]

mchou:

nvidia because pci bus is gimped

[18:07:41]

mchou:

xfx because they dont refresh bios often

[18:07:48]

AndyCap:

mchou: but are there any other options to get nvidia on board?

[18:08:02]

mchou:

AndyCap: nope

[18:08:13]

mchou:

nvidia on board==gimped pci

[18:08:32]

AndyCap:

as in I'd rather not have the nvidia chipset after some bad experiences, but I'd like to have an nvidia card + hdmi

[18:09:02]

mchou:

if you get discrete vid card then there's no problem

[18:09:13]

AndyCap:

grumble. :-P

[18:09:19]

mchou:

as long as chipset is not nvidia

[18:09:27]

AndyCap:

I guess there's no way around it.

[18:09:52]

mchou:

why dont you wait for ion?

[18:09:55]

AndyCap:

until intel miraculously produces a fast gfx solution.

[18:10:09]

AndyCap:

mchou: wait is the operative word. :-P

[18:10:11]

mchou:

still have gimped pci though

[18:10:56]

AndyCap:

seeing as how I can probably get a card like that on monday, but who knows when the slow boat from china delivers ion

[18:10:57]

mchou:

AndyCap: what was you bad experience w/ nvidia

[18:11:05]

mchou:

your*

[18:11:30]

AndyCap:

mchou: general acpi crap etc. random crashes, buggy sata drivers.

[18:11:53]

mchou:

umm, that may be the mobo, not chipset

[18:12:07]

gbee:

meshe: what they can do is disable the component output and that remains a possibility

[18:12:22]

AndyCap:

mchou: well, it's been more than one board.

[18:12:42]

mchou:

AndyCap: which boards?

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mchou:

AndyCap: and crashes in both linux or windoze?

[18:13:51]

** AndyCap doesn't do windoze **

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iamlindoro_:

gbee, meshe: Which furthers the argument for "Buy a HDFury2 while you can" :) (HDMI->HDCP Strip->Component conversion)

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AndyCap:

mchou: I don't remember the earlier, but the latest is p5n-e32 sli or what it's name is from asus

[18:15:24]

AndyCap:

purely anecdotal evidence of course. :)

[18:15:54]

AndyCap:

and the bios point re. xfx is a good one, since the p5n board got a lot better with the newer bios.

[18:16:19]

AndyCap:

sata_nv is still a nightmare though

[18:16:44]

mchou:

what's wrong with sata?

[18:17:16]

AndyCap:

random timeouts and hangs. related to adma supposedly, but still no help turning it off

[18:17:31]

mchou:

what drive?

[18:17:51]

AndyCap:

tried seagates and samsungs 1tb and 500gb

[18:18:05]

mchou:

wow, not good

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AndyCap:

anyhow, I'm kind of hoping that they can't all be that bad. :-P

[18:19:18]

mchou:

forget it

[18:19:19]

AndyCap:

but I guess I should stick with some intel board and a cheapish quiet nvidia card

[18:19:26]

mchou:

nvidia chipset=sunk

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AndyCap:

so I guess it only survies because fps nerds want sli

[18:20:34]

mchou:

pretty much

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AndyCap:

they even managed to force intel to put their chip on the skulltrail card. :P

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: dont the X58 boards support SLI without nvidia hardware?

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: quite possible, but they're a later invention. (Not that I want SLI)

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LanUser:

Hello – has anyone else had issues with IMDB lookups in the last week or so? It just seems to hang for me when I do a search in the video manager...

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wagnerrp:

LanUser: the imdb scraper is defunct

[19:15:04]

wagnerrp:

bots are against IMDB's T&Cs

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** gbee prods sphery **

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** iamlindoro_ puts on this sphery suit **

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tmdb.pl

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** iamlindoro_ takes off his sphery suit **

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gbee:

sphery: if you are going to work on a backport patch, then it should probably include the schema change, but I'm not sure how to work that around the "no schema updates in fixes" rule

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, all you need to do is cut and paste the code segments

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LanUser:

I created a script with the first section and it just hung, it worked when I did them each line by line though

[19:51:03]

LanUser:

and just out of curiousity, what in the world is popd?

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iamlindoro_:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pushd_and_popd

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wagnerrp:

post office protocol daemon

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iamlindoro_:

LanUser: You didn't need to create scripts out of them, a simple cut and paste would have worked

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, not quite

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LanUser:

iamlindoro_: roger that, got it working now

[19:56:01]

LanUser:

but is popd really the pop3 daemon? why in the world would you need to run that?

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** kormoc sighs **

[19:56:39]

kormoc:

LanUser, no, pushd and popd are commands to push/pop the current directory off of the directory stack, as per the link iamlindoro linked you to

[19:57:36]

LanUser:

thanks kormoc, just curious and in my 12 years of linux usage I've never run into them yet

[20:00:11]

iamlindoro_:

gbee: Hehe, I chuckled a little at your thread on tmdb and the line "I can't 'fix the application' as I'm not the author. It's MediaBrowser, one of the most popular plugins of it's type in the world, I only wish I had made it. The guy will make a fortune once he refines it if he starts charging for it."

[20:00:30]

iamlindoro_:

gbee: I thought to myself-- I didn't write *my* application and I can fix it if I want to... OH, that's cause I have the source ;)

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wagnerrp:

ive never heard of mediabrowser

[20:02:53]

kormoc:

the best bit

[20:03:00]

kormoc:

media browser *is* open source

[20:03:53]

iamlindoro_:

Kinda looks like a cheapy sort of MythVideo copy?

[20:04:24]

iamlindoro_:

(I'm not familiar with it either, obviously)

[20:04:54]

iamlindoro_:

http://blog.manghera.com/

[20:05:23]

iamlindoro_:

Not to say that it doesn't look good, but doesn't look as flexible as Mythvideo + MythUI

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kshots:

I've been getting some audio error messages flooding my logs and causing my sound card to simply stop trying to output sound on mythtv-0.22 rev 19989

[20:07:11]

kshots:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/d68f6dc12 – log sample

[20:07:11]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

no such thing as 0.22 yet.. you mean "trunk" ;-)

[20:07:25]

kshots:

yes, it's the svn rev

[20:07:34]

kshots:

I was using r19989

[20:07:36]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, I like the fact that the guy was looking forward to getting charged for a open source, gplv3 app...

[20:07:39]

wagnerrp:

thats an aged revision

[20:07:44]

iamlindoro_:

kormoc: hehe

[20:07:54]

iamlindoro_:

Anyway, the error doesn't look to be related to myth at all

[20:08:00]

iamlindoro_:

broken sound card drivers

[20:08:14]

kshots:

worked fine for years

[20:08:17]

iamlindoro_:

Try playing with the "extra audio buffering" and "aggressive audio buffering" options

[20:08:19]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: we call those forced donations

[20:08:21]

kshots:

... at least on 0.21

[20:08:30]

kshots:

that I can try

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iamlindoro_:

And when/if it works, it still won't be myth's fault ;)

[20:09:57]

kshots:

possibly... I am playing from an h-264 stream from a device that really hasn't been officially supported by anyone anyways

[20:10:03]

kshots:

... the sound card is the least of my worries

[20:10:13]

kshots:

... but it would surprise me greatly if it's the cause

[20:10:24]

kshots:

especially when all I'm doing is dumping bits out the spdif

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

kshots: So the h-264 has been working fine for years?

[20:10:49]

kshots:

no, mpeg-2 has

[20:11:02]

kshots:

I've been using an hd-5500 for years (2 actually)

[20:11:14]

kshots:

this is the first time I've tried the h-264 stream

[20:11:31]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

kshots: And does the audio stop working only on h.264 stuff?

[20:11:40]

kshots:

yes

[20:11:45]

kshots:

it works fine on mpeg 1 and 2

[20:12:02]

wagnerrp:

lack of CPU to handle both audio and video?

[20:12:46]

kshots:

Again... I'd be surprised. Core2 8400, GF 260 GTX, nvidia 180.29

[20:13:02]

kshots:

(downgraded after discovering myth took 5–8 minutes to start on 180.35)

[20:13:08]

iamlindoro_:

If you're talking about HD-PVR output, then you'd be mistaken ;)

[20:13:17]

iamlindoro_:

Also, if you're using VDPAU, all bets ar off, who knows what'll happen

[20:13:26]

kshots:

it's the HD-PVR, yes

[20:13:33]

kshots:

mistaken on what?

[20:13:52]

iamlindoro_:

About any system being capable of easily handling its output

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kshots:

ouch... ok, I wasn't expecting that

[20:14:22]

iamlindoro_:

That system *should* do okay with it, but any number of factors could still make it touch

[20:14:23]

iamlindoro_:

tough

[20:15:39]

iamlindoro_:

!trout ambarella sliced-encoding

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** MythLogBot slaps ambarella with a sliced-encoding trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... **

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand why they wouldnt just program in sliced encoding

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wagnerrp:

was that chip only ever supposed to be used with embedded systems, with hardware decoding?

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kshots:

ok, I'll try playing around with the buffering options

[20:17:05]

wagnerrp:

perhaps not 'program' so much as 'hardwire'

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: probably wasn't intended to be used in linux-- any number of options in windows that don't care about slicing

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wagnerrp:

i didnt know any windows decoders had non-slice-based parallelization

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wagnerrp:

unless youre talking about dxva, or purevideo/avivo

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iamlindoro_:

coreAVC does

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wagnerrp:

i thought it just split up the deinterlacer

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kshots:

ok, aggressive buffering didn't work... a bit more food for thought – audio was also working before I told it to sync the audio to the video

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iamlindoro_:

And probably/possibly the decoders used in most editing apps

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iamlindoro_:

kshots: Erm, you mean the option that says in big letters how experimental it is?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

kshots: Isn't that button labelled "(experimental)"

[20:20:25]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

^^ exactly, you fast typer you... (at least today!)

[20:20:28]

kshots:

yes, it is... I was also getting desperate :)

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iamlindoro_:

Well if it was working before, and not working after, what had you so desperate?

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kshots:

all my recordings are out-of-sync otherwise

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iamlindoro_:

unless you were desperate to break it

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kshots:

yeah, disabling it brought it back... but it's all out-of-sync again

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

kshots: Can you get it back in sync by manually adjusting the audio sync, or does it drift?

[20:23:26]

kshots:

looks like I can

[20:33:47]

kshots:

is there a way to save the sync? It looks like it's 550 ms off

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iamlindoro_:

No global setting for that exists (and if you're wondering if this is leading towards a "patches welcome," you're right ;) )

[20:35:08]

kshots:

ok... it also seems to reset whenever I seek around

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iamlindoro_:

That's a bug in current trunk, known issue

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kshots:

k

[20:36:05]

kshots:

well, since trunk is on qt 4, I may consider looking into it... never got into writing qt 3

[20:36:27]

kshots:

for now, I'm just trying to understand the problem

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iamlindoro_:

The audio offset setting bit should be super simple

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iamlindoro_:

Your problem is likely a HD-PVR firmware issue if the offset is constant

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kshots:

sounds like a simple lineedit in the playback settings dialog

[20:37:02]

kshots:

no, it's starting to drift :(

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iamlindoro_:

Then no idea-- You might experiment with VDPAU just a little to see if audio is in sync there-- if it is, it's probably a "something is too slow" issue

[20:38:22]

iamlindoro_:

I know that I get rock-solid audio sync from my HD-PVR and STBs

[20:38:31]

iamlindoro_:

that said, I seem to Recall the direct TV folks had similar issues

[20:38:39]

iamlindoro_:

so it may depend a bit on the source

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kshots:

I'll keep that in mind

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iamlindoro_:

Thought that was mostly fixed in recent firmware

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iamlindoro_:

What is your source?

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kshots:

bright house

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iamlindoro_:

so a STB made by...?

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kshots:

it's encrypted cable

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iamlindoro_:

"iamlindoro_: so a STB made by...?"

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kshots:

the box decodes, the hd-pvr records

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kshots:

ah, "set top box"

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iamlindoro_:

yes

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kshots:

sorry, thought you meant that little box in a satellite dish

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kshots:

it's a samsung smt-3050

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iamlindoro_:

That's an LNB

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iamlindoro_:

okay, not sure if anyone's been trying with the samsungs-- my captures from my Moto boxes have been pretty perfect

[20:41:20]

iamlindoro_:

But anyway, all of that is to say that audio sync issues can have something to do with the source of the signal

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kshots:

the whole thing is probably further complicated in that I'm using a dedicated backend and a dedicated frontend

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iamlindoro_:

If you want to eliminate myth as a source, capture with cat /dev/video# > test.mpg and try playing that file on various player software, systems, etc.

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wagnerrp:

should make no difference

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kshots:

I'll give that a try

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iamlindoro_:

if the drift is persistent, it's either the HD-PVR firmware or... well, the HD-PVR firmware

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wagnerrp:

its not like youre streaming video straight from the hdpvr, youre just playing back a file over the network

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kshots:

yes

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kshots:

ok, it should be dumping now

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kshots:

I'll let it do that for about 10 minutes

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kshots:

argh... just realized I got a gew minutes of the "press a button to continue" video from my box :(

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kshots:

trying again :(

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jamiem:

is there any work around for the "one buffer full while the other is empty" bug in mythtranscode ?

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sphery:

gbee: My plan was to write "throw-away" code for -fixes that just checks the specified grabber... If imdb.pl, check for tmdb.pl, first, then adjust args for tmdb.pl. If tmdb.pl isn't there, or if the specified grabber isn't imdb.pl, use the specified grabber. So, the DB may show the "wrong" data (which will get corrected on upgrade to 0.22), but the app will use the right grabber...

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sphery:

gbee: Now, all I have to do is actually make time to do the patch... Got distracted (got a new/used phone--and spent about 8 hours playing to find that there's no good way to transfer my old contacts--funny that I spent more time looking for the easy way than it would have taken to just type them in, and I /still/ have to type them all in).

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sphery:

thanks for the heads up, though... :)

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kshots:

hmm... no audio at all in the cat test

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** kshots wonders what changed **

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** kshots check v4l2-ctl stuff **

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kshots:

hmm... something changed my settings

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kshots:

audio encoding is set to AC3, as is appropriate

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kshots:

... but the bit-rate dropped from 13500000 to 4500000

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iamlindoro_:

kshots: You need to set max bitrate to a value *under* the average bitrate if you want Constant Bitrate

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kshots:

maybe that's the problem, then

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iamlindoro_:

so 13500000/22500000 won't give you 13.5 Mbit, but 13500000/13400000 will

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iamlindoro_:

Beause the former is variable bitrate-- it went to 4.5 Mbit because it didn't need 13.5 to represent the picture/action at that moment

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kshots:

ok, I see the bitrate is set to VBR (Variable Bit Rate) atm

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kshots:

which is odd also... CBR is the default

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kshots:

but that still doesn't explain the missing audio in the dump

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

is is missing, or did you not tell mplayer/whatever how to send it to your spdif port?

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kshots:

unless... mythtv-setup was configurable to look at the spdif-in, but I see no such option here

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kshots:

j-e-f-f-a|work: probably both – wouldn't it downsample to stereo if it didn't know how to simply output to the port?

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iamlindoro_:

--set-audio-input

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iamlindoro_:

and to go with that, --list-audio-inputs

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

kshots: I dunno... Do you even have analog speakers connected if it did?

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kshots:

I do

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iamlindoro_:

and no, the HD-PVR won't "fall back" on audio or video inputs

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kshots:

it's going out to a receiver, but the receiver understand plain stereo

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kshots:

it was already set to SPDIF, then – I just did a --get-audio-input

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kshots:

ok, it was an mplayer issue

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kshots:

ok, the sync is *much* worse that way

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kshots:

given that, myth is actually doing much more than I thought... the stuff it's working with is garbage

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kshots:

specifically, it looks like the video is in slow-motion, the audio just keeps going on oblivious

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Tomas-:

anyone using mythtvosd from inside asterisk? I can't get the ${CALLERID} to be included in the System()-call

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Tomas-:

nevermind, found the problem

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ldiamond:

Anyone here have ATI videocard? I need to know if the drivers are better now? (as good as Nvidia's)? Does mythtv work with ATI now?

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iamlindoro_:

ATI proprietary drivers work fairly decently-- if you expect hardware decode of video it's not there yet but it likely coming

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iamlindoro_:

and yes, myth works with them

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ldiamond:

How does it compare to Nvidia's drivers?

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ldiamond:

about a year ago I remember being told not to get a ATI video card if I want to use linux.

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ldiamond:

but I recently heard about ATI releasing new improved drivers

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iamlindoro_:

Well nVidia has some hardware decode support as of recently, but in terms of just plain Xv and video support, it will work just fine w/ MythTV

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kshots:

that's still generally true. ATI is open sourcing their drivers in the near future, though

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ldiamond:

Are they as good as Nvidia's proprietary drivers

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iamlindoro_:

kshots: no, ATI's closed source drivers will remain closed source

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kshots:

I can't speak for myth support

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kshots:

really? I thought they were opening the drivers up for their HD series of cards

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iamlindoro_:

kshots: They have been releasing some specifications to the open source community for them to write open drivers, and that has borne some fruit, but ATI's closed source drivers are staying that way

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iamlindoro_:

kshots: You misunderstood-- but it's a common misunderstanding

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kshots:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

ATI is opening some specs-- but they are not, and never have been opening the source to the drivers themselves

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kshots:

ah, I see... so others can write open-source drivers based on the specs

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iamlindoro_:

yes

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ldiamond:

Considering that ATI has a better price/performance ratio right now, I should still go with ATI since their drivers are good enough...

[21:59:45]

wagnerrp:

why would you need performance?

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ldiamond:

for 3d?

[22:00:13]

wagnerrp:

why would you need 3d?

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kshots:

heh, I'd need performance for 3D, personally... I do development

[22:00:26]

ldiamond:

for Games and 3D graphics

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kshots:

not much in the way of the former, but the latter works well

[22:00:40]

wagnerrp:

but this is a linux box going in front of your tv right?

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ldiamond:

Nop

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iamlindoro_:

On that note, new nvidia drivers BTW

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ldiamond:

This is going to be a dual boot machine that will run mythtv when I wanna watch movies / tv

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iamlindoro_:

180.37

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** iamlindoro_ waits for brave/silly people to test-upgrade for him **

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kshots:

do they have the incredibly long startup delay, or should we stay with 180.29 for now?

[22:01:29]

wagnerrp:

well if youre building a box for games, chances are youre going to have a sufficient processor to decode anything you may come up against

[22:01:41]

ldiamond:

definitely.

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ldiamond:

Core i7 920

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wagnerrp:

so Xv support is all you need

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ldiamond:

I'm not really concerned about that

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wagnerrp:

an i7 920 probably wont handle the higher HDPVR bitrates

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kshots:

I think he's just concerned with whether the card would display anything period... it will

[22:02:35]

wagnerrp:

newer cards seems to be better supported than older

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ldiamond:

More like if I'll be able to go dual monitor and stuffs like that

[22:02:51]

kshots:

oh, that's different entirely

[22:02:56]

wagnerrp:

well if you get the drivers running, you should have everything

[22:03:08]

wagnerrp:

3d and multimonitor support

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kshots:

I'm on triple monitor here... only way I can do that is via nvidia and xinerama

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ldiamond:

yea, I know the default drivers dont support much..

[22:03:55]

wagnerrp:

kshots: nvidia doesnt have any 3-display cards besides their high end quadros

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kshots:

no, they don't... I've got a gtx-260 and a 7900 gtx

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wagnerrp:

ah, ok

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kshots:

because they're both nvidia, they can all be 3d on the same desktop

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wagnerrp:

well you could do the same thing with an nvidia and an ati card, with xinerama

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kshots:

but you can't do 3d

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wagnerrp:

you can span 3d across multiple cards?

[22:05:04]

kshots:

you can do the screen-spanning, but 3d would be disabled

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kshots:

yes, if they're all nvidia

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wagnerrp:

i did not know that

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wagnerrp:

we do that at work, but only because its a quad-port quadro

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kshots:

I doubt it's very efficient, but without it I wouldn't be able to even fire mythtv up (opengl)

[22:06:10]

kshots:

I used to have to disable xinerama to use mythtv

[22:06:19]

wagnerrp:

well youve always got mesa

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kshots:

anyways... ldiamond, I think ATI does support dual screen. I'm not at all sure they'd support more than that, if it matters

[22:09:05]

kshots:

wagnerrp: I probably should have thought of that before... it would have solved a lot of headaches getting the nvidia drivers to work across all three screens in 3d mode

[22:11:14]

kormoc:

I always just setup the card outputs as seperate X displays rather then 'spanning' via xinerama

[22:11:18]

kormoc:

just can't drag between them

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ldiamond:

kshots, as long as they support what Nvidia supports its fine.

[22:11:38]

kshots:

yes, that works fine... but I like being able to drag, copy, paste, etc

[22:11:56]

ldiamond:

kshots, I know ATI's Windows drivers are pretty hard to use, but its still possible to do everything...

[22:12:18]

kormoc:

copy and paste works fine, drag and drop works fine, just can't drag apps between them

[22:12:23]

kshots:

I'm not so sure of that... even nvidia's windows drivers have a hard time doing triple-screens

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** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

I ran that setup for years just fine

[22:13:07]

iamlindoro_:

"I am an electrician so power, data, matv wiring costs nothing either."

[22:13:12]

kshots:

kormoc: Doesn't it get annoying, though? I keep wanting to drag windows from one to the next

[22:13:13]

iamlindoro_:

I'll have whatever he's having!

[22:13:29]

iamlindoro_:

I want to move to a magic land where the electricians get free power

[22:13:36]

kormoc:

kshots, I don't mind. I'm a very strict 'This app goes here' sorta person

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, can he run a few energy to matter conversions for me given his energy is free?

[22:14:23]

iamlindoro_:

kormoc: I get the feeling this ends in Kaylee clones for everyone, yes?

[22:14:36]

kormoc:

nah, they're all for me!

[22:14:44]

iamlindoro_:

OK, I'll keep the original then

[22:14:49]

** kormoc laughs **

[22:15:08]

ldiamond:

iamlindoro_ get a solar pannel.

[22:15:26]

ldiamond:

or some plutonium...

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iamlindoro_:

plutonium... free power *and* birth control? What could go wrong!?

[22:15:52]

wagnerrp:

plutonium... thats a viable option

[22:15:54]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, the crazy thing is an ex of mine is actually friends with her, but alas, the ex part means I don't get to meet her :(

[22:16:03]

iamlindoro_:

kormoc: Booo!

[22:16:19]

wagnerrp:

happen to know some Libyan terrorists?

[22:16:37]

iamlindoro_:

I could totally get 1.21 jigawatts out of this baby

[22:17:25]

rambo3:

Thats nothing my ex is my sister.

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kshots:

whoa... tmi

[22:17:43]

** iamlindoro_ DCCs rambo3 his new chess/fishing plugin **

[22:17:44]

wagnerrp:

wow... havent seen him around in a while

[22:17:55]

iamlindoro_:

MythFishChess

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kormoc:

Could always just go with uranium, http://www.unitednuclear.com/bulk.htm

[22:18:53]

** JEDIDIAH__ knows a Libyan that's Momar's cousin. **

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rambo3:

Yeah , Heh.

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AndyCap:

kormoc: or you could make it yourself like David Hahn. :P

[22:19:41]

iamlindoro_:

That guy needs a new routine

[22:20:08]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: i imagine if you had the facilities to refine uranium, you deserve to have your own nuclear power plant

[22:20:38]

iamlindoro_:

Unless you're in the axis of evil

[22:20:41]

iamlindoro_:

then you get candles

[22:20:45]

iamlindoro_:

but only short ones

[22:20:59]

wagnerrp:

does anyone else find that site oddly similar to woot's bag of crap?

[22:21:40]

wagnerrp:

you may get a paper clip, you may get a nice watch, you may get a blow up kaylee doll

[22:22:15]

wagnerrp:

except in this case, its random assortment of radioactive ore

[22:22:34]

wagnerrp:

fun for everybody!

[22:22:37]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, they have a pile of other awesome stuff

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kormoc:

but a link to the kaylee doll might be nice... for some of the other... less... civilized among us... Not myself mind you... Defiantly not myself...

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** kormoc wonders if he finally took that a tad too far **

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Make sure to let me know if 180.37 solves the weird frontend nastiness

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iamlindoro_:

Not an order, but a request :)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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sphery:

I used to have a commanding officer that said that... I knew it was really an order, but he would still say that.

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: "Fixed a problem that caused signals to be blocked in some applications."

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iamlindoro_:

Sounds like it should be fixed, but I'll let you be the guinea pig ;)

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sphery:

an now you're calling him a pig...

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iamlindoro_:

The nicest possible type of pig

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_abbenormal:

lol

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wagnerrp:

looks like we need one more vdpau thread

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sphery:

is vdpau multi-threaded now?

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wagnerrp:

except this one seems to be a confidential thread

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sphery:

that's cool, I wonder how it would work on my C2 Quad?

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sphery:

(just a joke--and I don't even have a C2Q)

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iamlindoro_:

Sweet, you've got one of those C2Os?

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iamlindoro_:

Core 2 Oct?

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wagnerrp:

when intel comes out with an 8-way chip, will they call it the Ocho?

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sphery:

Octochip

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sphery:

like Octomom

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Similian:

the octeron

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iamlindoro_:

Welcome to ESPN 8, the Ocho!

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sphery:

that would be AMD's

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GreyFoxx:

Dodgeball!

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wagnerrp:

man, i cant get enough of that ocho!

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** sphery reads Dodgeball trivia **

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sphery:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364725/trivia

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iamlindoro_:

I'm sure you've got a perfectly good reason for quitting. When I came back from testicular cancer to win the Tour de France four times, I wanted to quit all the time. What disease are you dying of, anyway?

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GreyFoxx:

Well none of the weird startup issues from .35

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iamlindoro_:

Good start

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JEDIDIAH__:

El Ocho

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** JEDIDIAH__ never would have thought there was Dodgeball trivial... **

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GreyFoxx:

Gotta love watching HD material using 2% of the cpu

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GreyFoxx:

Even though I'll end up going back to software decode after some tests :)

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GreyFoxx:

Woop, one of my test videos that wouldn't play before now works perfectly

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wagnerrp:

on a non-G98 card?

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GreyFoxx:

wagnerrp: This is a G98 cqard

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JEDIDIAH__:

how do you know if you've got a G98 card?

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wagnerrp:

specifically VC-1 on a non-G98 card.... or did they improve compatibility?

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GreyFoxx:

haven't tried on my other

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Is "AnyDVD" in windoze (or Wine?) still the only rip option for HD-DVDs?

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GreyFoxx:

now my own "problem" test file failes after 15 secods, and before it was failing immediately

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: HD-DVD is AACS only, so all HD-DVD should be rippable in linux with dumpHD and the right key files

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: cool. Maybe I'll give that a shot when I get home... ;-) Leaving now... ;-)

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GreyFoxx:

JEDIDIAH__: Check your X log file, grep "GPU GeForce" /var/log/Xorg.0.log

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GreyFoxx:

(II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 8400 GS (G98) at PCI:3:0:0 (GPU-0)

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GreyFoxx:

(II) NVIDIA(GPU-1): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 8500 GT (G86) at PCI:2:0:0 (GPU-1)

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: got a drive?

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GreyFoxx:

Shows me both of the ones Ihave in this box

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro_: was it the hacked firmwares that would get you get at the AACS keys?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Yep, the XB360 HD-DVD drive.

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JEDIDIAH__:

I got my 8400 2 days before VDPAU was accounced/released.

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JEDIDIAH__:

...and odd bit of luck.

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JEDIDIAH__:

it's a shame HD-DVD lost the format wars.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

JEDIDIAH__: Yeah, I picked up an 8400GS at a pawn shop for $35 a week or so before VDPAU was announced... ;-)

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JEDIDIAH__:

Frys has been closing out their HD-DVD stuff (drives plus disks)

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: As I understand it at first they pulled a few volume IDs that were left in memory, but once they had the hacked firmwares it made it trivial to do

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** J-e-f-f-A|work reminds himself to send in the rebate on the NewEgg Asus 8600 Silent he just bought... **

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_abbenormal:

hey iamlindoro_ im back so what was the setting you wanted me to try

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iamlindoro_:

_abbenormal: Oh, just try the Slim playback profile-- that's ffmpeg decode with xv-blit playback-- should be the most solid playback setting for most people

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_abbenormal:

ok ill let ya know in a minute

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GreyFoxx:

Well other than the 1 remaining test file that doesn't play perfectly .37 is looking good

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iamlindoro_:

_abbenormal: I'm headed home but will check logs, good luck

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_abbenormal:

thank you

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_abbenormal:

same issue video stops then drops to main menu and gives message >>>> video frame buffering failed too many times

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iamlindoro:

_abbenormal, What GPU and drivers are you using?

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_abbenormal:

let me look

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_abbenormal:

nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) i think its a g84 driver is NVIDIA-Linux-x86–180.35-pkg1.run

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iamlindoro:

_abbenormal, 180.35 has some real issues, 180.37 just came out, I'd try upgrading

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iamlindoro:

Note that this is an utter shot in the dark

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_abbenormal:

can do

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_abbenormal:

this is trunk 20107

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sid3windr:

J-e-f-f-A|work: woah, isn't $35 more than new price for an 8400GS?

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_abbenormal:

sorry forgot i updated it late last nite its 20121

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Talk:MythUI_Demo_Theme

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iamlindoro:

Well that's helpful

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iamlindoro:

Although at least it's encouraging :)

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flyback:

<flyback> for just the recording backend

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flyback:

<flyback> with a pvr250

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flyback:

<flyback> 256 meg of ram enough?

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kshots:

plenty

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flyback:

cool :)

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flyback:

I got a celeron 1ghz box from work they were tossing it's all good except for the psu and hd which I have a hd for it

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flyback:

but since only 2 slots of pc100 the best I can do for now is 256 (128x2)

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flyback:

I was going to do this with a duron 800 about 3–4 yrs ago but the board turned out to be iffy and I never bothered

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kshots:

128 would probably work

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kshots:

a pvr-250 isn't doing anything in the background with the RAM/CPU

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flyback:

yeah didn't think so

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flyback:

it's basicaly just wake up

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flyback:

dump tv to disk

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flyback:

sleep

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flyback:

sometime I don't want to do on main pc because it might not always be redy

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