Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, February 28th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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BLACKthroat:

mode2?

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tank-man:

as per the documentation from the link i gave from above?

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J-e-f-f-A:

ooh, the onion has the new USB Toaster... neato... ;-)

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Dagmar:

That would require he read and think about the documentation.

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Dagmar:

...which is what I was getting at, repeatedly, but apparently doing that instead of saying "FOLLOW THE DOCUMENTATION" makes me an asshole.

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psm321:

hauppauge 350, unless things have changed lately, should be lirc_i2c

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psm321:

thats what i have and the module i use

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psm321:

(unl;ess its a version that came with a separate usb thing?)

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tank-man:

yes, the table from http://www.lirc.org/html/table.html says lirc_i2c is the module for hauppaguge tv cards

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Dagmar:

It's amazing how many times people think they can just make up a bunch of lies and no one will notice.

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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BLACKthroat:

Go change your tampon Dagmar

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psm321:

BLACKthroat: i know Dagmar is more gruff than most would prefer, but that doesn't make it right to be rude

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NotForResale-US:

when i install v4l-dvb im having make errors

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NotForResale-US:

heres a pasebin

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NotForResale-US:

http://pastebin.ca/1349190

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iamlindoro:

We don't handle that here, ask in #linuxtv

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porcodildo:

lol

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Dagmar:

OMG you're an a**hole iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

That's more or less what I'm expecting to hear

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Dagmar:

I know. *sigh*

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tank-man:

same stuff in ##slackware, people using ubuntu or bt3 trying to secretly get help lol

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Dagmar:

Holy cripes I bet that goes over well

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Dagmar:

I know I saw Backtrack and Vector users trying it, but never Ubuntu users

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Dagmar:

This is why you just lurk somewhere safe

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Dagmar:

wrong chan

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, Friday has actually become a decent TV night

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tank-man:

what usually happens is lots of time is wasted trying to debug and diagnose the problem then we finally find out they are using a different distro, thus have different version of software/libs/kernel

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tanderson:

Terminator is on, right?

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iamlindoro:

and Dollhouse, and BSG

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tanderson:

That shows gotten pretty good

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Dagmar:

Ths is why we need a /headasplode <nick> command

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aarcane:

can anyone reccomend a cablecard enabled HDTV Tuner Card (United States)

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Dagmar:

*snicker*

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iamlindoro:

"None"

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Dagmar:

WombaTech 68000 might work for you

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Dagmar:

Cable Card (disunion) United States

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iamlindoro:

as in, you can't get there from here, you can't buy cablecard tuners standalone, and there's absolutely no support for them in linux, by MythTv, or by anyone having to do with this project.

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mzb:

is it possible to get any of the dvd-playing apps (inc. Internal) to continue playing automatically on the "title page" of a DVD?

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mzb:

(ie: without having to select "Play Movie" with a mouse)

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iamlindoro:

believe one of the devs has a patch for a new checkbox to allow that, but don't think it's committed yet

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mzb:

hmm ... shame. I'm not planning to update this one from 0.21-fixes ... box is not for me

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jams:

iamlindoro- ever get around to taking a look an linhes?

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jams:

knoppmyth if you prefer

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iamlindoro:

If DVD playback is important for the box, you'll want to eventually go to .22 (when it's out) as it has drastically improved DVD libs

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iamlindoro:

but the option should exist then

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mzb:

ok, thanks

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** rojo hugs ChanServ **

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mzb:

ok, is there a button I can configure to Select the currently highlighted option in the dvd menu?

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iamlindoro:

erm, the normal Myth "select" option should do that

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iamlindoro:

(It does here)

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mzb:

config = select?

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iamlindoro:

Presume it's "Enter" but I'd have to check lircrc

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mzb:

can't find anything on the keyboard that does the job (in xine anyway) ... might have to go back to internal and try it there

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iamlindoro:

Yes, I'm speaking only of Internal, it's all I use

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mzb:

ok

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mzb:

ah, now I remember why I wasn't using Internal

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mzb:

it keeps playing the intro clip in a loop

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iamlindoro:

a fair chance it would do as well or better than xine in trunk

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mzb:

^^

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iamlindoro:

(as xine, mplayer and trunk should all have identical libdvdnav now)

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mzb:

might be more interested if I could get Internal past the looping problem! ;)

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iamlindoro:

I'm *talking* about your looping

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mzb:

ah

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iamlindoro:

libdvdnav in trunk should be current as of a week or two ago

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mzb:

I see

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mzb:

still don't really want to run trunk on this box

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iamlindoro:

not implying you should

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iamlindoro:

just saying when .22 is out it will likely be the way to go

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mzb:

yes, agreed

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mzb:

looks like I'll have to stick with xine in the meantime then

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mzb:

when I get this box out of the way I'm planning to build a trunk box for someone else, so I'll use that for testing

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Mooooooo:

I'm having a weird issue and i don't find anything specific about it in the faq or wiki. X is displaying perfectly but the the displayed buttons at the bottem of the GUI screen are off the bottom. even when i change the gui size, there are still no buttons. everything else is fine

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mzb:

Mooooooo: using svideo or composite with overscan?

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fnc1:

evening all

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Mooooooo:

composite. changing overscan doesn't change it

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Mooooooo:

otherwise, it fills the screen perfectly... just the interface itself doesn't seem tall enough

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fnc1:

Ive been thinking about redoin my mythbackend... does anyone have any recomendations as far as mythdora or mythbuntu?

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fnc1:

i was also wanting to install 5x750 gb drives... in a raid.. but wanted to use the mb onboard controllers... any thoughts on that?

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mzb:

iamlindoro: got it, linked OK to EventSelect for xine

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iamlindoro:

mzb, cool

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mzb:

might as well link in Event{Up,Down,Left,Right} while I'm here ;)

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mzb:

etc

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Chicago:

Where do I make the 'adjust audio sync' settings permanent? I have to set it to about 200ms everytime I playback a recording. (probably live tv too)

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iamlindoro:

There's no global setting for it

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Speedy2:

Anyone here using an ATSC adapter with Myth? Just wondering what device to get.

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Speedy2:

(USB or PCI, no HomeRunner)

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fnc1:

why not the hdhomerun?

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adante:

any aussie myth users here

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Speedy2:

fnc1: I want cheap

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Speedy2:

Doesn't have to have good RF performance.

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adante:

just wondering if you'd be able to email me a copy of the shepherd tv guide scraper, the main website appears to be down atm

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Speedy2:

Also, anyone here use XBMC as a Myth frontend?

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fnc1:

its better i think than my other atsc cards

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aarcane:

mzb, mplayer dvd://1

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fnc1:

i have 1 in my backend

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fnc1:

another on the shelf

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Speedy2:

fnc1: I need something very cheap

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fnc1:

and my hdhomerun

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Speedy2:

fnc1: Just want the USB or PCI bridge to be decent

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mzb:

aarcane: doesn't that assume ... err ... I'll try it, thanks

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aarcane:

mzb, title 1 is almost always the main feature. I don't have a single DVD that doesn't have the main feature on title 1.

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mzb:

it' the "almost always" that worries me ;)

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fnc1:

in that case for the pci i have a techsan

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Dagmar:

Yep.

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Dagmar:

That makes blindly ripping DVDs very, very problematic

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fnc1:

tecnisat skystar2 dvb

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aarcane:

mzb, I have several hundred DVDs. just add an option underneath "play DVD" that says "play DVD (With menus)" or something.

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Speedy2:

fnc1: DVB or ATSC?

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mzb:

hmm

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fnc1:

Speedy2: thats what it says with lscpi -v

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fnc1:

but its what i use to record hd ota

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** mzb brain makes an attempt to produce a whirring noise **

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Speedy2:

fnc1: Gotcha.

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fnc1:

is that what your after

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Speedy2:

fnc1: It helps.

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Speedy2:

I assume Myth can pull EPG data from the ATSC interface? Any known issues with that?

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mzb:

aarcane: nope, doesn't start at the beginning

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aarcane:

mzb, does for me o,.,0

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mzb:

you can see why I'm using "this" dvd as a test ;)

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mzb:

(The Notebook)

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fnc1:

im pretty sure it can.. but i just use scheudles direct

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mzb:

/0 does the same

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fnc1:

id been looking for a good menu for my dvds.. ended up buying a popcorn hour...

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mzb:

I'll just have to stick with this for now:

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mzb:

xine --video-driver xxmc --auto-scan dvd --auto-play=fhq --no-splash dvd:/%d

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mzb:

with OK = EventSelect

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fnc1:

they had support for the upnp mythtv but with the newer firmwares it broke...

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fnc1:

but it plays just about everything.. even my BR m2ts files.. which was another thing i was looking for

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Speedy2:

It would be nice if XBMC ran on Popcorn hour.

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Speedy2:

XBMC+Myth

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fnc1:

i think they have some xbmc themes..

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fnc1:

but i like it.. much cheaper than building a front end, that can handle bluray playback and what not

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fnc1:

and i like the yamj app.. for movies, even though im sure it could be programed better.. but im not complaining

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mzb:

hmm ... locked video again :|

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mzb:

and can't kill the frontend

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trumee:

guys, how can i set mythtv, so that while watching LiveTV if i press Up and Down keys, the EPG order is the same as pressing 'm'

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trumee:

currently, if i press Up and Down the channels are not sorted by numbers

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mzb:

trumee: "Channel ordering" in setup?

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mzb:

Setup=>TV Settings=>General

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mzb:

might do the job

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trumee:

mzb, i do have it set up as "Channel number" but that doesnt help

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mzb:

odd ... mine are in order

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trumee:

Although, the programme guide displays channels using "channel number" sorted.

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trumee:

if i press Up key while watching livetv it goes from 4 to 740

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mzb:

does a frontend restart make any difference after changing the setting?

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trumee:

mzb, i guess 'Channel Ordering' effect the Program Guide rather than the quick guide using Up and Down keys

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trumee:

No restarting frontend did not help.

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fnc1:

does anyone have any recommendations for mythdora vs mythbuntu for a backend?

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meshe:

apt package manager is way better so mythbuntu

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janneg:

fnc1: if you're already using fedora or debian/ubuntu, choose the same base distribution

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fnc1:

i use em all...

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fnc1:

got a couple fedora systems

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fnc1:

ubuntu on my laptop

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fnc1:

ans suse on another one

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meshe:

is it solely for a backend? or are you going to run a frontend on it too?

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Dagmar:

Probably MythBuntu because we can more easily reach their admins

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Dagmar:

...meaning strangle.

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iamlindoro:

Their admins have done more for this project than most people who complain about them

[03:20:45]

fnc1:

got cha

[03:21:00]

meshe:

there is a slightly irritating bug thats in -fixes that comes with 8.10 mythbuntu that will lock up X and ignore key presses, happens to me about once a week

[03:21:14]

Dagmar:

Still, when something breaks in Mythdora, who do we holler at? I've no idea.

[03:21:16]

meshe:

*remote key presses

[03:21:31]

Dagmar:

I've a good idea who to chase down when I hear of something broken in MythBuntu (or Ubuntu in general actually)

[03:21:36]

iamlindoro:

Jarod is around and pretty active in the dev channel

[03:21:49]

meshe:

and supposedly it has to do with the version of X they include with ubuntu 8.10

[03:22:17]

Dagmar:

Is it a bug in -fixes?

[03:22:18]

fnc1:

ok... anyone running a raid off of sata onboard the mb? normally i use a real raid card.. do either handle sw raid realtivly ok?

[03:22:56]

Dagmar:

fbc1: They should both handle software RAID about the same

[03:23:32]

fnc1:

the last time i upgraded was with .21 came out.. what was that a year or so ago..

[03:23:39]

fnc1:

and havent really touched anything since...

[03:23:54]

Dagmar:

I'd just leave it alone then

[03:23:58]

fnc1:

but i really need more storage space.. so its time to add the 5x750gb drives...

[03:24:09]

Dagmar:

Absolutely back up the database and any config files before you do upgrade when you eventually do

[03:25:00]

fnc1:

im gunna whip it all i think.. i have stuff in my database, from cludgeing things up, when other drives died with recordings on them...

[03:25:17]

fnc1:

er whipe

[03:25:21]

fnc1:

dangit wipe

[03:25:22]

Dagmar:

Allow me to also suggest you do a *dump* of the database as well as a backup

[03:25:46]

Dagmar:

The dump will generate a jillion line file full of SQL statements that can /probably/ be fed to a new SQL server

[03:26:01]

meshe:

mysqldump mythconverg -u root > my_mythdb_dump.sql

[03:26:06]

Dagmar:

Just backing up the binary database files, well, if something goes wrong you have to hope the new db server uses the same binary format

[03:26:09]

fnc1:

yeah i got a few backups

[03:26:19]

fnc1:

already

[03:26:31]

Dagmar:

You're a lot more likely to be able to recover something from the dump, should things go wrong

[03:26:40]

fnc1:

but i think wipeing it all out and starting over would do me well... ive been running the same system since .18

[03:27:23]

fnc1:

i mainly use the system for recording hd ota...

[03:27:35]

fnc1:

and the one thing i never really looked at.. was auto transcodeing?

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fnc1:

from what i understand, it handles all that pretty well now, removing commercials and all? automagically?

[03:28:37]

Dagmar:

haha

[03:28:39]

Dagmar:

No.

[03:28:53]

fnc1:

dang

[03:28:55]

Dagmar:

THe commercial flagger is pretty good, but it's not to be trusted quite THAT much

[03:29:09]

Dagmar:

One show with some dark scenes in at the wrong place and you'll be wondering what the plot was

[03:29:17]

fnc1:

i thought with hd ita is was pretty good.. something with the blnk frames or something

[03:29:24]

fnc1:

got cha

[03:29:39]

Dagmar:

You'll want to manually check the cut points before you tell it to completley throw 'em away

[03:29:52]

meshe:

if I really care about the show, i turn off skip commercials automatically as it deoes go too far sometimes

[03:30:23]

fnc1:

do any of you 'archive' stuff?

[03:30:47]

Dagmar:

I've gotten pretty fast at the down-down-right-up-left-left-left-enter-down-right-right-down dance it takes to adjust the cut points

[03:31:04]

Dagmar:

fnc1: I like to believe I do, but mainly I just clutter disks with inaccessible data

[03:31:06]

fnc1:

how often do you do it?

[03:31:08]

Dagmar:

So basically, um, no.

[03:31:25]

fnc1:

...hand edit all your cutpoints?

[03:31:42]

Dagmar:

Oh it's a lot simpler than tyou think once the commflagger has been there

[03:32:02]

fnc1:

so.. pretty much just set it up to autoflag

[03:32:06]

Dagmar:

You just pull up a recording in the player, hit 'e' to get the editor up, then hit 'z' to import it's cutlist

[03:32:07]

fnc1:

then go through and double check

[03:32:08]

meshe:

yeah, usually the cut points are only a few seconds off

[03:32:16]

Dagmar:

from there if it looks sane you can just hit 'e' and watch the show

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fnc1:

what if i want to remove all commercials.. and reencode..

[03:32:48]

Dagmar:

...or you can just start using the arrow keys to move around in the stream by increments of 1 frame, cut points, keyframes, 0.5 seconds, 1, 5, 20 seconds etc

[03:33:15]

Dagmar:

fnc1: Once they've been marked in the cutlist editor you can just use the "High Quality" transcode option, which is the "lossless" one

[03:33:27]

meshe:

then you use mythtransocde, it reads the cut points and removes them

[03:33:27]

Dagmar:

i.e., it just runs the thing through transcode with the cutlist

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fnc1:

and you can cue them all up?

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Dagmar:

Basically yeah

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fnc1:

so say once a month i want to go through check all the cuts, and set them to transcode whenever

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Dagmar:

weird crap may happen though if you start messing with the cutlist on a file you just told it to start transcoding

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fnc1:

got cha

[03:34:45]

Dagmar:

More than likely once you've watched it and know it's marked right you'll want to just tell it to transcode out the commercials right then and there

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fnc1:

the high quality, does it result in files that are smaller? like a lot.. if my recordings are.. what 8gb? or 14?

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Dagmar:

It doesn't take very long at all to just chop out the commercials since the "lossless" mode doesn't actually decode/encode anything more than it absolutely has to

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Dagmar:

fnc1: The default "high quality" setting *just* removes the commerical bits.

[03:35:39]

Dagmar:

It does not recompress the video

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fnc1:

got cha

[03:35:53]

Dagmar:

It'll still be 2.2gb per hour or whatever, just fewer minutes-worth

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fnc1:

ok.. that sounds about right..

[03:36:36]

fnc1:

im pretty big on full quality

[03:37:21]

fnc1:

i was originally thinking after transcodeing, im move things to my real raid.. but its only got like 750gb free now...

[03:37:59]

fnc1:

so i think just transcoding and leaving them there (with the new mini raid in the backend) will be good till i can build a new even bigger raid

[03:39:12]

fnc1:

and i really like keeping things full quality, since i ripped all my dvds, br, hd-dvd and kept them as full quality...

[03:39:54]

meshe:

rip br? hmmm

[03:39:59]

fnc1:

yup

[03:40:05]

fnc1:

they eat up a lot of space

[03:40:17]

meshe:

i thought they still didn't play on linux

[03:40:24]

fnc1:

well

[03:40:34]

fnc1:

thats one of the main reasons i bought the popcorn hour

[03:40:41]

fnc1:

but the main m2ts file will play

[03:40:43]

fnc1:

on linus

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meshe:

ahh, kewl

[03:41:02]

fnc1:

but i got the rest of ripped (for the future)

[03:41:18]

Dagmar:

You can transcode them to a more usable format

[03:41:31]

fnc1:

the main thing they have issues with on linux is the menus...

[03:41:37]

meshe:

i have to log, bye :)

[03:41:44]

fnc1:

peace

[03:42:53]

fnc1:

which by the way if anyone needs to rip their dvd collection the sony xl1b rocks

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fnc1:

since im thinking of upgrading,.. does anyone happen to know where there are with the next version?

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Speedy2:

fnc1: I'd suggest LVM instead of RAID

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Dagmar:

Oh yeah, I'm so sure I'll be giving money to the people responsible for the problem in the first place.

[03:47:03]

fnc1:

problem?

[03:47:29]

Dagmar:

Yes, the problem of why DVDs are suich a pain in the ass to clone

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fnc1:

Speedy2: Why you say that

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fnc1:

oh.. heh

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Speedy2:

fnc1: LVM is very flexible, doesn't need hardware, it scales as you add or remove drives and PVR does not need more than ~ 20 MBytes/sec throughput

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fnc1:

Dagmar: its reuseing.. now that they EOF'd it... 150 bux.. to save me weeks and weeks of time.. more than worth it

[03:48:35]

fnc1:

i have over 750 dvds

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fnc1:

Speedy2: was also thinking about ... if a disc were to die.. i wouldnt loose all my data

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Speedy2:

fnc1: Then you need RAID5.

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Speedy2:

fnc1: Then you're left with n-1 capacity

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fnc1:

sw: raid 5 is what i was thinking for the backend

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fnc1:

thats fine.. 5x750gb drives should be enough for a while.. for shows

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Speedy2:

fnc1: It could work, but I bet you'll eat up a lot of CPU.

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ColdFyre:

so, i'm trying mythtv-0.22_alpha19054. any words of wisdom?

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Speedy2:

fnc1: Maybe fine with a dual-core

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fnc1:

Speedy2: ...guess thats something to think about

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Speedy2:

fnc1: Do you already have the drives?

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fnc1:

yup

[03:51:10]

fnc1:

why?

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Speedy2:

fnc1: I guess do some trial run and see how much you load it up with SW RAID5

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fnc1:

i have a big hw raid with all my dvds on.. but its running out of space...

[03:52:30]

Speedy2:

What controlle?

[03:52:32]

Speedy2:

controller.

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fnc1:

i saw mythdora has a 64bit release.. im guessing ubuntu does now...

[03:52:46]

Dagmar:

Largely it gains us nothing

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Dagmar:

Maybe in 2 more years it'll make a difference large enough to care about

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fnc1:

when i first built the system.. getting a 64 bit install was ok.. but the myth libs didnt like it all

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fnc1:

for my backend though, that has a amd 64 bit cpu... might as well go with a 64bit install nowdays???

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fnc1:

AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+

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Dagmar:

Shoudn't hurt

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iamlindoro:

What the frack, there's the song again

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Dagmar:

Oh your'e watching it delayed

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Dagmar:

I keep telling you Kara's a cylon

[04:00:41]

iamlindoro:

She's not.

[04:00:45]

Dagmar:

She is.

[04:00:52]

iamlindoro:

Want to be a shiny nickel? She's not.

[04:01:03]

iamlindoro:

bet, that is

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Dagmar:

Not many humans find theor own burnt up bodies

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iamlindoro:

We'll see... and when we find she's not, you can tell me that you're not as smart as you think you are :)

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** sandeen tries setting up mythvodka, despite the tug-of-war over hulu **

[04:05:28]

Dagmar:

Let me ask you then... who's she playin the piano with

[04:05:47]

Mooooooo:

I'm still having a problem with the myth gui, but i think a picture would explain whats happening since my descriptions don't seem to be helping: http://spanishllama.com/mythpic.jpg

[04:06:24]

Mooooooo:

the video is perfect, it just looks like the content inside of the gui is too large, if that makes sense

[04:06:25]

iamlindoro:

Fairly evident that we're supposed to believe it's her father-- but having having visions isn't just a cylon thing, unless you think Roslin and Baltar are cylons too

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Dagmar:

You are SURE it's perfectly centered

[04:06:42]

fnc1:

vodka?

[04:06:47]

Dagmar:

Baltar's just been implanted

[04:06:57]

Mooooooo:

yeah

[04:07:13]

Mooooooo:

KDE desktop is perfectly centered on it

[04:07:24]

Mooooooo:

byt the Myth content overflows

[04:07:25]

Dagmar:

Put http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Image:Cheatsheet.png into MythGallery

[04:07:39]

iamlindoro:

Baltar hasn't been anything, they're *all*, Cylon and Human alike, being manipulated by an outside force

[04:07:47]

Dagmar:

Offhand tho I'd say something went wrong enough to make it start drawing the fonts too big

[04:07:59]

Dagmar:

You want X to think it's got a DPI of 100x100

[04:08:55]

Dagmar:

...and you absolutely want msttfcorefonts installed

[04:09:08]

Dagmar:

If you installed some substitute for them, that could also make the glyphs come out larger than planned

[04:09:14]

Mooooooo:

ah

[04:09:31]

Mooooooo:

let me give that a quick try. thanks, brb

[04:11:39]

Dagmar:

You really want to use that cheatsheet by the way

[04:12:00]

Dagmar:

Especially because if you come back in here with all the overscan in the display and complain about funny white dots at the top, I'm going to laugh at you

[04:12:10]

Mooooooo:

bingo!

[04:12:21]

Mooooooo:

thanks a lot :)

[04:12:33]

Mooooooo:

msttfcorefonts worked

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sandeen:

for something like mythvodka that want to add an xml file to a theme... does it need to go into every theme dir? or is there sort of a top-level theme that others inherit from?

[04:56:30]

sandeen:

hm maybe it has to be done per-theme

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iamlindoro:

default and default-wide

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iamlindoro:

although technically just default is good enough

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iamlindoro:

wide themes will fall back first to default-wide, then to default. Non-wide will fall back to default.

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Gary|tp:

Question: when ripping a DVD on a frontend, does the transcoded AVI end up on the backend?

[05:01:54]

sandeen:

iamlindoro great, thanks

[05:02:04]

** sandeen tries packaging myhthvodka **

[05:02:40]

iamlindoro:

Ripped DVDs do first to the DVD temp directory you have set, and then get transcoded into the mythvideo directory, wherever you have that set to, whichever path that may be

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iamlindoro:

s/do/go/

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** iamlindoro wonders if people just wander away from the screen after asking a question and getting an answer, or if they're just douchenozzles **

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1128315&cid=26861587

[05:29:38]

keith4_:

iamlindoro: what was that? sorry... i wandered off for a bit

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keith4_:

wtf? mythvodka?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, To that I respond that the douchenozzle is the focal point of douche-- the epitome of douche if you will

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iamlindoro:

keith4, Beats the alternative

[05:31:16]

iamlindoro:

keith4, It's a hacky bunch of mess that uses an external script to download Hulu stuff and play it back

[05:31:25]

sandeen:

what's the alternative? :)

[05:31:31]

wagnerrp:

didnt mythvodka use the same method for download that boxee did? the method that is now disabled?

[05:31:32]

keith4_:

best. acronym. ever.

[05:31:56]

iamlindoro:

sandeen, I wasn't referring to mythvodka when speaking of an alternative

[05:31:57]

sandeen:

wagnerrp, yes, though there seems to be a daily tit-for-tat arms race over the method

[05:32:03]

sandeen:

iamlindoro ah

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** sandeen just thought he' try it :) **

[05:32:35]

sandeen:

^

[05:32:36]

iamlindoro:

mythvodka is *ugly* (and stands a less-than-zero chance of ever being an official plugin to boot)

[05:32:36]

sandeen:

d

[05:32:37]

sandeen:

gr

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wagnerrp:

did boxee license the data? or simply have an agreement with them?

[05:33:05]

sandeen:

some kind of plugin for hulu woul be awfully nice. but since they are actively thwarting it....

[05:33:07]

keith4_:

i bit the bullet and bought PlayOn a few months ago, for netflix/hulu watching via the PS3

[05:33:30]

keith4_:

it was only $30 at the time, and it works pretty well

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sandeen:

oh dear I hope this thing isn't polluting my db w/ every stream on hulu

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wagnerrp:

sandeen: mythvodka keeps the hulu streams cached in memory, it does not dump them to the database

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sandeen:

wagnerrp, saw things in mythfrontend.log like "2009-02–27 23:31:08.732 Inserting prog: Teletubbies

[05:34:58]

sandeen:

"

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Interface-:

hi guys! when i run mythtv-setup, would there be any issues redirecting the display to a box that actually has a gui?

[05:35:07]

sandeen:

teletubbies! \o/

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sandeen:

Interface-, I do that all the time

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keith4_:

Interface-: not at all

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Interface-:

k

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Interface-:

having issues setting up the dvb :(

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Interface-:

http://pastebin.com/d4c0d213a

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wagnerrp:

Interface-: speed

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Interface-:

the console says "can't open dvb frontend /dev/adaptor0/ ................

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Interface-:

speed?

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wagnerrp:

assuming youre on a local network, it should be fine

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Interface-:

it's gigabit local network :)

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Interface-:

permissions on the dev stuff?

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wagnerrp:

assuming youre not on a funky X layout with multiple oddly placed screens, it should be fine

[05:38:04]

Interface-:

ok i am, but i'm assuming you're talking about gui issues, not dvb setup issues :)

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wagnerrp:

i have no display at (0,0), so whenever i try to run X (cygwin) apps, it displays off screen

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Interface-:

right :)

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Interface-:

so anyway, i'm not sure why it can't open the frontend0

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wagnerrp:

as for dvb access, check file permissions, make sure nothing else is currently accessing it

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Interface-:

any ideas?

[05:40:06]

Interface-:

well

[05:40:30]

Interface-:

the mythtv-setup always runs as my user right, doesn't try to access the frontend0 as mythtv user?

[05:40:48]

Interface-:

but even then, it seems to be set to 666 anyway

[05:40:55]

wagnerrp:

if you know what youre doing, you can run mythtv-setup as any user

[05:41:04]

wagnerrp:

but ideally, it should be run as the same user running the backend

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Interface-:

i think i understand what you're saying... but that would result in issues later, not trying to access the card for the first time?

[05:42:28]

wagnerrp:

except for the channel scanner, mythtv-setup is just an interface to the database

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Interface-:

well the scanner says "failed to open card" and the console displays the can't open adaptor0/frontend0 errors

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keith4_:

put your user in the video group

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Interface-:

haven't tried that yet... i have tried to just chown -R the adaptor dir but that didn't do anything either

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sandeen:

Interface-, did you notice that it says can't open /dev/adaptor0 and your paste has /dev/dvb/adaptor0 ... ?

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wagnerrp:

that would be a problem...

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Interface-:

that's me being unable to spell adapter correctly

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keith4_:

you probably shouldn't make a habit of chowning dev files

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wagnerrp:

you should not have to spell anything

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wagnerrp:

mythtv should auto-detect dvb adaptors

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sandeen:

Interface-, no, the missing "dvb"

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Interface-:

keith4 : i know that, but i'm getting desperate to figure out what's going on

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sandeen:

or maybe you just forgot to type it

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Interface-:

checking

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Interface-:

yep, i didn't type it in

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Interface-:

sorry, but thanks

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Interface-:

do4vl -q works fine with this user (seems to be going to /dev/video rather than the /dev/dvb files)

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sandeen:

hm a few frontend crashes later, and mythvodka is gone from my box :) -ENOTWORTHIT

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i spent an hour or so discovering i couldnt get it to work

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sandeen:

I have a specfile if anyone wants it :)

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keith4_:

ooh, i might have just found my new frontend: http://www.neurostechnology.com/neuros-link

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keith4_:

thoughts, anyone?

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wagnerrp:

what is a '2.8GHz CPU'?

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keith4_:

http://www.deviceguru.com/first-impressions-of-the-neuros-link/

[06:03:15]

keith4_:

^^ perhaps more useful

[06:03:31]

keith4_:

"2.8GHz AMD Athlon LE-1660"

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wagnerrp:

so its just a low end single core athlon

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wagnerrp:

should handle any broadcast tv just fine

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strex:

keith4_: don't know about you, but I would rather stick to an actual upgradable system..

[06:05:45]

wagnerrp:

but your SOL for HDPVR output, or any HD media

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keith4_:

hmm

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strex:

wagnerrp: how you doing tonight?

[06:06:56]

wagnerrp:

keith4_: looks like you could put in a low profile nvidia card for video acceleration (if you are using trunk)

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keith4_:

you don't think that could handle live mpeg2 1080i?

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wagnerrp:

strex: trying to get zoneminder installed

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** sandeen built his current frontend in an ahanix case and a dual athlon 45W, very happy with it **

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wagnerrp:

keith4_: that will handle any broadcast content just fine

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keith4_:

ah, by "HD media" you mean... bluray?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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keith4_:

gotcha

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keith4_:

let me see what i can fit into a slim silverstone for $300...

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strex:

wagnerrp: do you have the hardware to support zondminder? (and the use for it?)

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keith4_:

i had zoneminder installed for a few weeks... maybe 4 months ago. found it quite buggy, but usable

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strex:

I'm slowly working on a plugin for heyu, and home automation. In addition to a some menu options for igo stowaway keyboards..

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wagnerrp:

strex: hardware... maybe. use... probably not

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keith4_:

what hardware do you need for zoneminder?

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keith4_:

i think i tested it with a crappy USB webcam

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wagnerrp:

compatible cameras

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keith4_:

surely you have an old analog capture card around somewhere?

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keith4_:

.. and a CCTV camera, i guess

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strex:

wagnerrp: would you get more use out of home automation options?

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wagnerrp:

my cameras were not usable with 1.23, but i think the V4L2 stuff in 1.24 should fix that

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keith4_:

ooh, good to know

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wagnerrp:

strex: would i like it? sure... would i use it? probably not

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wagnerrp:

such a system would be little more than another toy i dont have time to play with

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strex:

wagnerrp: hehe, any more than you would use zoneminder?

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wagnerrp:

zoneminder, i might actually get use out of

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wagnerrp:

someone teepee'd out house, and clipped off my sister's mirror

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strex:

wagnerrp: do you know if there is a way of prioritizing tuner cards?

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wagnerrp:

strex: absolutely, in mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

although usually you just set add them in the order you want them to record

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strex:

I saw that on the newsgroups, is there another way after their already established?

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wagnerrp:

delete and re-add

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wagnerrp:

or set the priority

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strex:

also, would changing the order effect anything?

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wagnerrp:

aside from any other priority settings, the scheduler will just use the first available tuner

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strex:

obviously I wouldn't do it when shows are being recorded or anythign.

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strex:

so if I set my tuner 4 as tuner 1 it would take priority.

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strex:

is that done in the input connectors section?

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wagnerrp:

well you can only do that by deleting all, and re-adding

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strex:

do you know if that has any effect on channel data that I've added, like for me, channel 42 wasn't pulling any program data, so I manually set the xml channel id. Would doing what your suggesting effect that?

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keith4_:

no

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wagnerrp:

channels are bound to a source

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wagnerrp:

a source and a card are two separate things

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strex:

ok, good just needed to check first..

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strex:

Also, I have a pvr-150 thats showing some distoration or video problems. I'm wondering whats mostlikely to go out first, the tuner part of the card, or the encoder part and is there a way of testing it?

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wagnerrp:

strex: the PVR-150 has direct framegrabber access on video24

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strex:

sorry for my ignorance, but can you explain that?

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wagnerrp:

access it just like you would any other V4L framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

use /dev/video24

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strex:

wagnerrp: what are the advantages of using /dev/video24 over /dev/video3 (in my case)?

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justinh:

shudder.

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Interface-:

ok got it working :s

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Interface-:

it was a permissions issue, my user lost part of its groups apparently

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Interface-:

it's all goo yo!

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wagnerrp:

strex: you are having issues with your PVR card

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wagnerrp:

if you access the framegrabber, you can determine if your video issue is part of the tuner, or the encoder

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justinh:

oh noes! Entertainment scientists warn that Miley Cyrus will be deleted by 2013! :(

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Interface-:

if i scan channels on QAM256, and later on QAM64, will i end up with a list of both, or does a scan on a different modulation necessarily replace the previous list?

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wagnerrp:

Interface-: it is HIGHLY unlikely that you will have channels on both QAM256 and QAM64

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Interface-:

it seems to be detecting channels on both

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Interface-:

most of 256 seems to be encrypted tho

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Interface-:

this is comcast in denver, co

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Interface-:

cable

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wagnerrp:

just run a 'minimal updates' scan on the second run

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Interface-:

guess i'll have to match up the xmlids manually :(

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wagnerrp:

yes you will

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wagnerrp:

you always have to do that for any sort of channel scan

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Interface-:

it matched up maybe 3 channels

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Interface-:

those are channels i have never heard of :)

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sid4windr:

wagnerrp: I have channels on both QAM256 and QAM64.. :)

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wagnerrp:

personally, i dont know why any provider would use QAM64

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wagnerrp:

considering it has half the bandwidth efficiency

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wagnerrp:

unless the equipment is considerably cheaper

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justinh:

the latter, of course

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justinh:

or just general lack of clue. It has been known ;)

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Interface-:

:)

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ColdFyre:

is there a way to build myth with the backend only?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

are you asking because the binaries for the frontend & plugins take up so much hdd space?

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justinh:

I mean the combined space they take up could occupy enough to store as much as one second of video

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ColdFyre:

no, i planned on running the backend on one machine without X or anything, i don't want to compile QT and al lthat jazz

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justinh:

so it's obviously a concern ;)

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justinh:

oh dear.

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justinh:

you can't do it without X. You certainly can't do it without qt

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justinh:

qt is used for a lot more than just user interface stuff in mythtv

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ColdFyre:

okie then, time to compile QT

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ColdFyre:

and 77 other things

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sid4windr:

sounds like gentoo :>

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justinh:

sounds like fun :D

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justinh:

more fun than just going with a ready-rolled mythtv based distro anyway

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** justinh wonders if dustybin is around. he'll probably like this for his next frontend http://www.bigpockets.co.uk/product.php?product=SOLV105 **

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CCFL_Man2:

sun outages are affecting me

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justinh:

you should probably get more outside time ;)

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ColdFyre:

yep, it is gentoo

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wagnerrp:

justinh: you certainly can compile and run mythbackend without X

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wagnerrp:

you just need the basic runtime libraries

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wagnerrp:

now how much that actually gets you... i cant say

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dustybin:

how do you list mythmusic via albums?

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dustybin:

can you do it from mythmusic itself or does it need to be done from the setup menu?

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dustybin:

justinh: my box is better than that

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dustybin:

justinh: my sister is having her house decorated at the moment, will take some pictures once its done

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blodski:

is it possible to install mythtv thru ssh?

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blodski:

when im running mythbox and trying to test settings, i get Error Connect to MythTV failed: (111: 'Connection refused')

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jpcooper:

could anyone recommend and external TV card that will work well with an N64 and Linux?

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Dibblah:

N64?

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kkuno:

nintendo64?

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kkuno:

:P

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dustybin:

"C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." – Bjarne

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blodski:

is it possible to install mythtv thru ssh?

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blodski:

when im running mythbox and trying to test settings, i get Error Connect to MythTV failed: (111: 'Connection refused')

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Dibblah:

Hmm. Wierd – Setting the largest buffer possible on the budget_av card appears to cause stream corruption.

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gbee:

buffer size mismatch somewhere probably, it's not writing to the end of the buffer but it's reading to the end or vice versa etc

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Dibblah:

Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be that simple. :(

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Dibblah:

Still trying to figure out a pattern.

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gbee:

ah

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nordle:

Another day, another chance to fiddle with modelines :) My system works okish at some oddball resolution of 1920x1080@51. The panels native is 1360x768@60 according to manual, but it tears at that res. I just read about someone who managed to get no tearing at 1368x768@60. However, when I try this I get nasty white pixels running down right hand screen. How can I "shift the image over" to the right a bit to cover them? The left seems fine, so t

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nordle:

here might be margin for moving, but over HDMI all the H/V options are greyed out on remote. Any suggestions would be great, thanks.

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andreax:

nordle: Mine is also 1360x768 in the manual, but this is wrong for me, the truth is its 1368x768. Youve to find out a good modeline i think, i also fizzled around with this....

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andreax:

Mode "1368x768"

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andreax:

DotClock 85.86

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andreax:

HTimings 1368 1368 1512 1800

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andreax:

VTimings 768 769 772 795

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andreax:

EndMode

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andreax:

This works for me

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nordle:

andreax: This was what I was using, and pretty happy with it on the whole, although not ideal: Modeline "1920x1080@51" 147.23 1920 1952 2504 2536 1080 1103 1112 1135 +VSync +HSync This is one that someone else reckoned worked, using the same TV: Modeline "1368x768@60" 84.97 1368 1400 1720 1752 768 783 791 807 +vsync +hsync But this is the one that gives me the lines.

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andreax:

nordle: I think there was a program (xvidtune?) to tune the modeline (i hope i remember right)....

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Dibblah:

No. The truth is 1360.

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Dibblah:

The panel and the controller are lying to you.

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Dibblah:

Since 1360 is not divisible by 2.

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EvilGuru:

Dibblah: Err....

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gbee:

680

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Dibblah:

Err... By 8. Must spring clean my brain soon...

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EvilGuru:

170.0

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** gbee chuckles **

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gbee:

1360 is a correct and fairly standard res for a 720p screen

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Dibblah:

Argh. The truth is 1366, even.

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gbee:

you shouldn't be needing to mess with modelines at all, EDID will provide the correct modline automatically

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tanderson:

EDID lies occasionally

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tanderson:

like on my TV

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gbee:

crap TV then :)

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Dibblah:

EDID is occasionally just plain wrong.

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Dibblah:

ie mine puts out 1024x768 as the preferred res.

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Dibblah:

On a 1366x768 panel.

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Dibblah:

Which is just... Wrong.

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Dibblah:

And actually doesn't accept a 1366 modeline.

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Dibblah:

Which is just annoying.

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tanderson:

I just told X to ignore EDID and settled for 1280x720

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tanderson:

what TV do you have?

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gbee:

you really want to be using the native res, otherwise what's the point of HD?

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Dibblah:

ebuyer cheap thing upstairs, with annoying bugs, projector downstaird.

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Dibblah:

It's actually not possible to get a native res on this display. At least with only a week's experimenting. I settled on "good enough" being "good enough" :(

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nordle:

It is a crap TV..... well, the OSD and electrics are crap, but the I luv the picture :) The manual claims 1360x768@60. But this tears on some 1:78 movies. However, if I feed it 1920x1080@51 then I get no tearing and a great picture.......yes its a crap tv :(

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tanderson:

gbee: native res is impossible on my TV

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gbee:

mine just puts out an accurate modeline with the preferred res being the native

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tanderson:

yeah, but not all TVs are as perfect as yours

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** gbee shrugs **

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tanderson:

HD looks pretty good because 1280x720 is a HD resolution

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gbee:

I'd return anything that didn't work properly, rather than wasting my time working around the bugs

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nordle:

When I got this, 2 years ago, it was 50% cheaper than anything else....and with good reason, its pretty poorly put together. I would have sent it back, but after 2 weeks of messing around, got this 1920x1080 thing, and DVD's are just stunning, better than my parents Panasonic which cost 3x as much.

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tanderson:

well, I didn't really have that option

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nordle:

tanderson: out of interest, whats your TV? Mines is Hannspree xv37 JT.

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tanderson:

Olevia 32-inch

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blodski:

is it possible to install mythtv thru ssh?

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tanderson:

They went out of business recently, no wonder why...

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blodski:

also, when im running mythbox and trying to test settings, i get Error Connect to MythTV failed: (111: 'Connection refused')

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tanderson:

blodski: sure, I do that all the time

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blodski:

k... cant get it to work properly

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nordle:

tanderson: Olevia, similar to Hannspree, just another Malasian lcd company, 10 a penny :) But as long as it keeps working its ok.

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tanderson:

yeah, once it blows up I'll get a more proper one

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justinh:

mmmm another day chopping up trees

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justinh:

something very satisfying about manual labour :)

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justinh:

the clutch on my chainsaw is definitely f***ed though

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justinh:

it's now so tame it couldn't even cut through a twig

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_abbenormal:

cause theres nothing like it anywhere and to feel like you have done something

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justinh:

ooo. I found a spares site in the UK at last. less than £30 for a new clutch :D

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anykey__:

justinh: cutting trees for sat? ;)

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justinh:

just tidying up to make way for the next felling :)

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jams:

gbee has MythPopupBox been removed from current trunk SVN ?

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jams:

This appears to be more qt4 vs qt3 related, nevermind.

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blodski:

when im running mythbox and trying to test settings, i get Error Connect to MythTV failed: (111: 'Connection refused')

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wagnerrp:

mythbox?

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asdffdsa:

does the chipset in http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2 . . . ;modelmenu=1 support VDPAU?

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wagnerrp:

asdffdsa: no

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wagnerrp:

actually, the 630a seems to be a 8-series chip

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wagnerrp:

err... no, i was right the first time, no support

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asdffdsa:

pity

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asdffdsa:

how about a 9400GM?

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gbee:

8200, 8300, 9300, 9400

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blodski:

yea, mythbox for xbmc

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blodski:

anything from 8xxx and above supports vdpau afaik

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gbee:

pfft, what's this, a mythtv plugin/addon for XBMC?

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gbee:

why would you bother? Just run mythfrontend

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asdffdsa:

gbee, so the 9400GM would support VDPAU?

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blodski:

what's that? i only run xbmc

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blodski:

yes asdffdsa

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gbee:

blodski: it's xbmc for mythtv :p

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blodski:

oh

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blodski:

tell me how and i'll gladly will :p

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gbee:

only it predates xbmc and is a full function client unlike mythbox

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bbeattie:

Does mythnews constantly update news listings ever X minutes or does it only update if the plugin is on screen??

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gbee:

bbeattie: I don't use it but AFAIK it's only when on-screen

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blodski:

gbee: wanna tell me how i install that for my xbmc gbee?

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wagnerrp:

blodski: this is not the correct channel to ask for help with xbmc

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gbee:

wouldn't be much point otherwise, until 0.22 they are only viewable when it's onscreen so no sense updating in the background

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blodski:

it's mythtv tho, they'll point me here for sure

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bbeattie:

hmm, I'm looking for a way to make myth constantly scan for new music and I thought I could work off the news code but I guess not if news only updates when active.

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wagnerrp:

its mythbox, a plugin for xbmc

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gbee:

mythbox is not mythtv, it has nothing to do with us

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blodski:

no, but mythfrontend u spoke of

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wagnerrp:

it is a 3rd party and wholly unsupported frontend for mythtv

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blodski:

or same thing, diff name?

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gbee:

honestly I'm suprised that anyone wasted their time writing a XBMC plugin for mythtv instead of working on new features for mythfrontend

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gbee:

mythfrontend isn't anything to do with XMBC, it's an entirely seperate application – the official frontend for mythtv (with video/music/news (rss)/photo plugins etc)

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dashs:

How to 'wake up' the front end when the screen blanks?

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wagnerrp:

dashs: install xset, and disable DPMS

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blodski:

how do i implement that then gbee?

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wagnerrp:

although any key press (or mapped button press on the remote) should bring up the screen

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dashs:

wagnerrp: thanks

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dashs:

wagnerrp: ignores keyboard

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dashs:

wagnerrp: oops wireless kb broken

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gbee:

blodski: don't worry about it, I don't have the time right now to talk you through it, if you are really interested then google will help

[17:06:38]

blodski:

k, if i dont fix it by myself, maybe i can talk to you later to help me thru?

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gbee:

I suspect the features you like most about XBMC won't be available until the next release of mythtv anyway

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blodski:

like what?

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gbee:

like fanart and a pretty UI

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gbee:

well prettier UI

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blodski:

that's not why i am using xbmc

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blodski:

im using it because i can play 1080p movies and it has better support for mp3 + better interface compared to popcorn hour

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wagnerrp:

mythtv can play 1080p movies just fine

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gbee:

ok, well then if you want the ability to record and watch television, along with videos/music etc then you definately want mythtv instead

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wagnerrp:

although the mythmusic interface is a bit lacking

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blodski:

im fine with xbmc, i just want the ability to at least watch livetv

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gbee:

music UI is a little crappy, but that's one of the things being re-written for the next release

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dashs:

wagnerrp: me fix.

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gbee:

support for mythbox needs to be done through XBMC – if their client can't connect to mythbackend then it's not our problem, sorry

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blodski:

k, thx for the help tho

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dashs:

How to enable xorg for desktop as well as HD1080i (only video currently)?

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dashs:

Have ASUS EN8400GS

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cityLights1:

hi all, is there anyone here using PAL? I need a recomandation for a tv card.

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Rince:

well, what exactly is your problem?

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cityLights1:

I have the haupega hvr-1110 and it is nice, after asking here I gather I should buy the hvr-1300 which has the mpeg2 encoder

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cityLights1:

I mainly seek to caputre analog signals and want good reception

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cityLights1:

dvb is a nice extra but I can do without

[17:37:40]

Rince:

and what is your question?

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jarle:

I've always wondered what these different numbers in the backend log actually means: "Scheduled 137 items in 3.3 = 2.04 match + 1.23 place"?

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cityLights1:

Rince: what card do you use for tV?

[17:38:58]

Rince:

I have a pvr350

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cityLights1:

in PAL?

[17:39:33]

Rince:

yepp

[17:39:36]

Rince:

of course

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cityLights1:

is the reception good?

[17:40:08]

Rince:

very good, but that's an old card

[17:40:13]

cityLights1:

do you use the output of your pvr-350?

[17:40:14]

Rince:

I don't know wether you still can buy it

[17:40:25]

Rince:

I just use the input since I have a motherbiard with hdmi-output

[17:40:28]

Rince:

and I use that one

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cityLights1:

so would you say the pvr-250 (like the 350 without the output) gives better analog reception then the current hvr series?

[17:43:19]

Rince:

I don't know the hvr, so i can't tell you

[17:43:23]

cityLights1:

I am also considering if I should buy from a diffrent company then hauppauge

[17:43:47]

cityLights1:

Rince: is it better then the wintv series?

[17:43:52]

Rince:

my dvb-c-stuff is from kc one and that is quite good

[17:45:01]

cityLights1:

brand is kc?

[17:45:29]

Rince:

the brand is kc one

[17:48:16]

laga:

knc once

[17:48:18]

laga:

err

[17:48:20]

laga:

knc one

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cityLights1:

is I choose to buy a usb tv to pci would i get lower quality?

[17:49:26]

justinh:

bah. need a new lock for the back door now. stupid thing isn't opening properly. so, new chainsaw, 4 new tyres for my car, more memory for the backend... this month is a money vampire :-\

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** justinh chuckles at the mythbox for xbmc thread on -users **

[17:51:54]

justinh:

so, native mythtv support in xbmc is so awful somebody had to ressurect the old xbmcmythtv python thing. heheh

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asdffdsa:

so, would it make more sense to go for a beefy CPU or should i invest the money into a GFX card that support VDPAU?

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justinh:

either way, it'll result in heat you have to get rid of ;)

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asdffdsa:

well, of course

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justinh:

depends if you can wait for mythtv 0.22 to come out, or if you'd rather run trunk and use beta features in video drivers

[17:58:51]

outlier:

quick question – if I have 2 directories for recordings, should I assign 1 each to Default & LiveTV storage groups, both to both, or am I totally not getting it?

[17:59:00]

justinh:

though anything where vdpau is concerned relies on driver beta features.. until VDPAU is no longer in beta

[17:59:29]

asdffdsa:

justinh, i don't mind running beta stuff as long as it's reasonably stable

[17:59:31]

justinh:

outlier: why not one dir per group? that's how you're supposed to do it

[18:00:48]

outlier:

OK – sounds good. What is the Default group used for?

[18:00:50]

justinh:

asdffdsa: YMMV. you can never have too much cpu grunt anyway IMHO. Doesn't mean you have to be using it the whole time ;)

[18:01:00]

justinh:

outlier: the 'default' recording group

[18:01:08]

outlier:

yes

[18:01:42]

Cyclone42:

can anyone suggest a really, really rough guestimate for when HD-PVR support will be beta-quality?

[18:02:07]

justinh:

Cyclone42: it already is, in trunk

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outlier:

justinh: Maybe I'm being dense. Live TV supposedly will get recorded into the LiveTV group, so what goes to Default?

[18:02:56]

justinh:

ordinary recordings

[18:03:16]

justinh:

or you can make more recording groups & assign them to recording groups :)

[18:03:29]

justinh:

erm.. make more storage groups I mean

[18:04:07]

outlier:

justinh: OK...so if schedule a bunch of recordings, they'll go into Default instead of LiveTV ? Is LiveTV just the buffer for pausing & rewinding then?

[18:04:15]

justinh:

yes

[18:04:55]

outlier:

justinh: I'm guessing I don't really want half my storage devoted to it then.

[18:05:23]

justinh:

I wouldn't know about that. I never use livetv

[18:05:43]

justinh:

I'm one of those snobs ;)

[18:06:45]

outlier:

justinh: Sounds like I partitioned badly. I divided into 3 areas – a pair of 1TB spots to put TV recordings, and a 4TB archive. Sounds like I should have included a small spot for live TV also.

[18:07:44]

justinh:

so just make a new dir on one of the 1TB bits & use that as the livetv storage group

[18:07:59]

justinh:

you should'nt end up with much space wasted there

[18:08:35]

EvilGuru:

Is XFS still the weapon of choice among myth users?

[18:08:40]

outlier:

justinh: just so. Thanks.

[18:09:42]

justinh:

EvilGuru: or whatever. YMMV ;)

[18:09:57]

wagnerrp:

outlier: you set up a 6TB RAID, and then split off two partitions for livetv?

[18:10:07]

wagnerrp:

or you have two drives dedicated to livetv?

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outlier:

wagnerrp: Pretty much. I have 8 1TB disks. I put a bit of each into a RAID1 for the OS & database, split off 2 for recording space so tuner's wont have to share spindles, and the rest of the space is raided for an archive.

[18:13:47]

Interface-:

hm, i thought i had seen a setting to change permissions on recorded files...

[18:13:52]

Interface-:

is there one? and if so, where can i find it?

[18:14:01]

justinh:

overkill IMHO. you'd have to record & play back a feckload of shows before you begin to run out of HDD headroom

[18:14:08]

wagnerrp:

Interface-: chmod

[18:14:12]

Interface-:

:p

[18:14:22]

Interface-:

anything automagically?

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wagnerrp:

outlier: if youre planning on transcoding to an archive, there isnt really much need for a lot of recording space

[18:15:04]

justinh:

crazy file squirrels

[18:15:14]

wagnerrp:

ive got a trio of 300GB drives for recording, and it will last me a couple months worth of tv before i have to dump it

[18:15:48]

wagnerrp:

Interface-: change the folder owner to some group, add the users you want to give permissions to into that group

[18:16:26]

Interface-:

did that, it still created the file as mythtv/mythtv :(

[18:16:32]

outlier:

wagnerrp: The archive is only partly for Myth – the TV recordings are going to stay on the recording drives. I don't plan to transcode any more than I have to.

[18:16:35]

justinh:

yeh it will do

[18:16:48]

wagnerrp:

Interface-: well then just add users to the 'mythtv' group

[18:17:11]

justinh:

Interface-: any files recorded by mythbackend will be owned by the user mythbackend runs as. In this case... mythtv

[18:17:28]

Interface-:

yep i did that, and that works but the permissions are rw-r-r

[18:17:43]

wagnerrp:

why do you need write access?

[18:17:44]

justinh:

so?

[18:17:52]

wagnerrp:

no one but mythtv should be modifying those files

[18:18:01]

justinh:

if you go deleting files willy nilly, BAD THINGS will happen

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justinh:

you should _always_ use mythtv to delete recordings

[18:18:16]

wagnerrp:

otherwise, you end up with invalid seek tables, and orphaned recordings

[18:18:20]

justinh:

no taking shortcuts

[18:18:48]

cityLights1:

any advice where to buy second hand pvr-250 at germany?

[18:19:19]

Interface-:

i understand that, and i'm not

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justinh:

so why do you care about having write permissions?

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justinh:

frontends don't delete files themselves. they make requests to the backend they reside on to delete them

[18:20:08]

Interface-:

well i was trying to use "touch" for other purposes of detecting the file (since i changed permissions on user groups)

[18:20:19]

Interface-:

which is where i started noticing the permissions

[18:20:29]

Interface-:

i shouldn't need it in the future, that's probably true

[18:20:44]

justinh:

what are you doing that for anyway?

[18:20:52]

Interface-:

i'm running mediatomb as well

[18:21:03]

Interface-:

which wasn't in the mythtv group and so didn't detect the recording

[18:21:10]

wagnerrp:

mediatomb doesnt need write access

[18:21:15]

Interface-:

sigh

[18:21:23]

wagnerrp:

and mediatomb isnt needed since myth already has a upnp server

[18:21:25]

Interface-:

no, but i did to touch it so mediatomb would detect it :p

[18:21:33]

Interface-:

yah, but not as nice as mediatomb

[18:21:43]

justinh:

wagnerrp: definitions of 'universal' vary though

[18:22:08]

justinh:

not all upnp stuff acts alike.. which is a bugger because of the so-called 'spec'

[18:22:15]

Interface-:

ps3 is extremely picky on, as justinh calls it, "universal" :)

[18:22:46]

Interface-:

and mediatomb has bunch of scripts and features that make it work (poor souls over @ mediatomb)

[18:22:48]

wagnerrp:

the ps3 should work just fine with mythtv, assuming your content is compatible

[18:23:06]

wagnerrp:

PVR recordings, as well as ATSC both work

[18:23:17]

Interface-:

yes they do

[18:23:22]

Interface-:

it's all the other crap i got

[18:23:26]

Interface-:

including DVD iso files etc

[18:23:38]

wagnerrp:

but the myth upnp server has no form of transcoder, so youre SOL for nuvs and transcodes

[18:23:40]

justinh:

so mediatomb transcodes on the fly?

[18:23:44]

justinh:

bleh

[18:23:46]

Interface-:

yup

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wagnerrp:

justinh: it can, yes

[18:24:27]

Interface-:

yeah, i like the user jobs on mythtv tho, so i can re-encode shows to view on mobile devices

[18:25:12]

Interface-:

upnp sucks for now, but it works nice for what i use it for... at least with mediatomb to transcode crap and use subcontainers to sort stuff

[18:26:53]

EvilGuru:

upnp is on a par with acpi for 'most screwed up poorly thought through standard of the century'

[18:27:34]

justinh:

there should be an ISO standard for upnp-type stuff

[18:27:38]

wagnerrp:

upnp would work just fine, if people actually adhered to it

[18:27:54]

justinh:

imagine if network devices refused to talk to one another..

[18:27:56]

justinh:

oh wait..

[18:28:09]

Interface-:

dunno, the spec is ok, it's just the interpration by companies like sony who, since they're part of the committee, think that if they do it a certain way, it means that's what the spec is supposed to say

[18:28:42]

justinh:

upnp stuff is like you phoning a friend when you have Brand X of phone, and they have brand Y. Imagine not being able to speak to other people because brand X won't work with brand Y !

[18:28:43]

wagnerrp:

the lack of support for certain file types is perfectly reasonable

[18:28:57]

Interface-:

wagnerrp : i agree

[18:29:00]

wagnerrp:

but the problem is that certain companies intentionally refuse to access others

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Interface-:

and in theory, a upnp server can offer several mimetype transcodings for the same file

[18:29:16]

justinh:

they should go to hell til they adheere to the spec

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Interface-:

but most players just take the first one or the last one, assuming the server even offers it

[18:29:33]

justinh:

no 'interpretations'

[18:29:57]

justinh:

myth's upnp server contains countless workarounds for player devices

[18:30:15]

Interface-:

yeah, same with mediatomb...

[18:30:41]

wagnerrp:

well the difference with mediatomb is that the user has the ability to make workarounds of their own

[18:30:52]

Interface-:

i think they're going to add functionality for device-based transcoding and settings... so depending on the client, you can do different things

[18:30:57]

Interface-:

nasty business really

[18:31:10]

Interface-:

wagnerrp : what do you mean?

[18:31:19]

wagnerrp:

well, workarounds in a config file, rather than in C code

[18:31:38]

Interface-:

there's a config file and js scripts when new files are imported :)

[18:31:41]

wagnerrp:

the mythtv upnp server has absolutely no options

[18:31:46]

wagnerrp:

besides on and off, of course

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Interface-:

oh ok, you mean the other way around

[18:32:52]

Interface-:

yep that's exactly why i also use mediatomb

[18:35:39]

AndyCap:

the ushare dev ranted about dlna and upnp.

[18:36:04]

AndyCap:

http://gxben.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/why-do- . . . col-so-much/

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asdffdsa:

is mythtv able to run under x64?

[18:37:45]

asdffdsa:

as that apparently matters when it comes to HD

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Interface-:

i'm running it on 64

[18:38:10]

wagnerrp:

yes and no

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EvilGuru:

asdffdsa: x86_64 is preferred, x64 is MS marketing lingo, and yes, it does work

[18:38:26]

wagnerrp:

yes it does work. no it makes no difference

[18:39:01]

asdffdsa:

kk, ta

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dashs:

mythstream config is where?

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cityLights1:

EvilGuru: did ppl advicew you on XFS?

[18:41:01]

EvilGuru:

cityLights1: Not really, so I'll stick with it

[18:42:37]

cityLights1:

ok, are there any german speeing ppl here?

[18:42:55]

Interface-:

i understand it a little bit... why?

[18:43:11]

cityLights1:

I got this chance to bring a good tv card from a PAL country, and need help

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justinh:

mythstream is a 3rd party plugin. nasty at that

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Interface-:

cityLights1 : my german is probably a little bit better than google translate or something, but not much :)

[18:44:17]

cityLights1:

well, I do want to get my hands on a pvr-250 as it seems a leader in quality as far as most reviews I found

[18:45:03]

cityLights1:

Interface: can you link me to a forum of buy and sell in germany to buy a pvr-250?

[18:45:13]

cityLights1:

I can't get it via goole

[18:45:26]

cityLights1:

dont know how to write for sale

[18:45:43]

cityLights1:

even dont know how to write forum in german

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Interface-:

verkauf means "to sell" i think

[18:45:54]

Interface-:

verkaufen

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GreyFoxx:

"<asdffdsa> as that apparently matters when it comes to HD" .... since when ?

[18:46:28]

Interface-:

i just googled verkauf hardware :)

[18:46:42]

Interface-:

seems to come up with stuff

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cityLights1:

any one that has tv cards?

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cityLights1:

I will seek thanks, but maybe you can narrow it a bit

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AndyCap:

cityLights1: ebay? :P

[18:47:34]

Interface-:

i'm just googling "verkauf forum pver-250" :)

[18:47:37]

Interface-:

dunno

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cityLights1:

Andy: ebay is empty of the 250 , they only have one 500

[18:48:27]

cityLights1:

and I reas the quality is lower

[18:48:49]

cityLights1:

oh so you write forum the same way – thanks

[18:49:00]

Interface-:

here's a guy trying to sell it and nobody's interested

[18:49:07]

Interface-:

dated january 5th

[18:49:11]

Interface-:

http://www.mce-community.de/forum/index.php?s . . . #entry208446

[18:49:25]

Interface-:

maybe you can contact him or something

[18:49:37]

cityLights1:

thnaks

[18:49:57]

asdffdsa:

GreyFoxx, that's what someone else told me

[18:50:14]

asdffdsa:

i am happy re-learning, though :)

[18:50:14]

justinh:

be careful who you listen to :P

[18:50:19]

asdffdsa:

hehe

[18:50:31]

AndyCap:

trying to think what classified ads are in german. :P

[18:50:39]

Interface-:

no idea

[18:50:59]

justinh:

think of a word, then add 40 letters :P

[18:51:15]

AndyCap:

harr harr.

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Interface-:

Kleinanzeigen according to google translate

[18:52:07]

Interface-:

sounds like that could be it

[18:52:10]

AndyCap:

yes

[18:52:31]

asdffdsa:

aye

[18:52:40]

Interface-:

haha, kleinanzeigen und flohmarkte

[18:52:40]

asdffdsa:

classifieds == kleinanzeigen

[18:53:10]

Interface-:

flohmarkte... sometimes translations are a lot easier then you'd think :)

[18:53:23]

asdffdsa:

well, german and english have the same roots

[18:53:38]

Interface-:

yeah, and i'm a native dutch speaker which is even closer to german than english :)

[18:53:40]

asdffdsa:

which is especially obvious if you look at british english and bavarian

[18:53:50]

asdffdsa:

true

[18:55:46]

cityLights1:

Interface: I can't register to the website so I can't contact him :-(

[18:56:09]

cityLights1:

I will seek a german to help me register then I may ask to call him

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Interface-:

yeah... my conversational german wouldn't be all that great :)

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cityLights1:

so I gather this card is cheap now

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cityLights1:

as ppl are moving to dvb cards

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AndyCap:

cityLights1: or it's expensive because people think it's the holy grail and therefore a collectible. :P

[18:58:27]

dragonbyte:

hello

[18:58:35]

AndyCap:

like the prices of PS3 with 4 usb ports. :P

[18:59:22]

cityLights1:

AndyCap: can you recomend a similer PAL card?

[18:59:36]

cityLights1:

I didnt see knc makes analog tv card

[19:00:13]

dragonbyte:

I can set up a master backend without a tuner card right?

[19:00:26]

AndyCap:

cityLights1: no, I can't. just pointing out that they may not be cheap. :)

[19:00:45]

AndyCap:

I use a pvr-500 and think it's ok. but then again, I never was very picky.

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dashs:

correct menu overscan?

[19:11:16]

cityLights1:

AndyCap: can you tell what module is your pvr-500 ? will a 1084 module work under linux?

[19:11:24]

cityLights1:

I mean there are diffrent tuners...

[19:12:21]

AndyCap:

cityLights1: I can go look.

[19:13:19]

AndyCap:

cityLights1: hmm, I guess that's not on the card?

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cityLights1:

should be – right...?

[19:14:15]

AndyCap:

cityLights1: do you know which part? and I'm not gonna open the tin can. :P

[19:15:05]

cityLights1:

sorry I dont, would think its maybe on the back side

[19:16:00]

AndyCap:

cityLights1: anyhow, here's from the log http://fpaste.org/paste/4719

[19:17:22]

cityLights1:

ok, is it a MCE, I mean pvr-500mce?

[19:17:59]

AndyCap:

well, it has the rca connectors.

[19:18:09]

AndyCap:

so I think yes.

[19:18:22]

cityLights1:

thnaks, let me try my luck

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dashs:

What would be the magic string for nvidi-settings to use my TV-0 display?

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dashs:

What line in Xorg.0.log == the string required by nvidia-settings?

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dragonbyte:

if i just want to use myth to rip dvds to a drive on a server and then play them back on any frontend do I need the whole backend/database piece installed (I intend to later add the TV stuff)

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Interface-:

top

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dougl:

Has anyone had this experience? I copy filename.avi to my ~/ushare/video/programinfo/ directory where my frontend is config'd for that directory too but when I go to browse for avi files in mythfrontend the newly created directory nor it's contents show up... wth?

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gbee:

Video Manager > Scan for Changes

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tank-man:

theres a db of all the video files, wait till it scans the files again

[19:37:01]

wagnerrp:

dougl: gbee beat me to it

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wagnerrp:

tank-man: it will not automatically scan the files, you have to go into the video manager

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wagnerrp:

dougl: if you are using 0.21, the scan will take place automatically when you go into the video manager

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tank-man:

hmm seems to be auto for me

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tank-man:

ive never touched that "scan for changes" once

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wagnerrp:

tank-man: the upnp scan is automatic, mythvideo is not

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tank-man:

i see

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wagnerrp:

0.21, you must go into the video manager

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tank-man:

thats how i do it, thru upnp

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wagnerrp:

trunk, you can call 'scan from changes' from any mythvideo screen

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gbee:

never used MythVideo in 0.21 so I was just guessing/going from partial memory

[19:40:02]

gbee:

upnp scan is done on startup of the backend, or not?

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wagnerrp:

upnp scan is done ever 30 minutes (by default)

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wagnerrp:

i dont think it does one on startup, otherwise there would be no reason for the '--upnprebuild' flag

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dougl:

gbee, wagnerrp – hey – thanks guys... that one had me stumped for a while :)

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GreyFoxx:

wagnerrp: It does one withing 30 seconds of backend startup

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GreyFoxx:

then again every X minutes (default 30)

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GreyFoxx:

the --rebuild is so that a user can force one to happen "now" whenever they wish rather than wait

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dragonbyte:

what do I need to just use mythvideo on frontends? I am trying to use the mythfrontend on my mac but it wants a database. Do I need a full backend, database only, or just a file share on the server that will store the videos?

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cesman:

dragonbyte: a frontend needs access to the db that is all

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dragonbyte:

cesman: so the backend piece is only related to the TV recording functions?

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wagnerrp:

you just want 'mythvideo'? you dont need tv recording?

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dragonbyte:

wagnerrp: pretty much, TV recording will probably happen at a later time

[20:09:08]

cesman:

dragonbyte: the backend records, schedules, houses the db, runs job, etc.

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wagnerrp:

if you have no tuners, you really shouldnt be using mythtv

[20:09:53]

wagnerrp:

better to use boxee or xbmc, or one of the other tv-based media player

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dragonbyte:

wagnerrp: I want to use it to rip the dvds to the library and play them on frontends on TVs or on the computers

[20:10:09]

dragonbyte:

wagnerrp: I intend to get a tv tuner at some point and don't want to redo everything

[20:10:09]

wagnerrp:

mythtv is a PVR, with media player capabilities

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cesman:

wagnerrp: those aren't "tv based" as they don't tv ;)

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wagnerrp:

cesman: how about... remote based? keyboardless media players?

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cesman:

wagnerrp: you can call them whatever you what...

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cesman:

wagnerrp: in my mind, if it is going to be attached to my tv then it must do tv ;)

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anykey__:

justinh: did you make any progress regarding that autowidth thing?

[20:12:35]

cesman:

mythtv is the only viable media center for me as it does it all

[20:12:56]

yfaykya:

iamlindoro : With your patch for streaming videos what do I set videostartup dir to? The SG or a path? I did not change it after adding the SG and after a scan in mythweb I have double of all files. Thought it might be a factor

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tank-man:

dragonbyte, then install the backend and frontend parts if you want mythtv

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dragonbyte:

tank-man: thats what i am trying to figure out, i have an ubuntu server, but the information I found says I need to use the x based configuration on it

[20:14:45]

dragonbyte:

tank-man: other docs say that mythvideo doesn't need to communicate with anything other than the network share where the videos live

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wagnerrp:

dragonbyte: the assumption is that if you have mythfrontend running, you already have database access set up

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wagnerrp:

the only ADDITIONAL thing you need is file system access to the media files

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dragonbyte:

so on ubuntu do i just install the mtythdatabase or the whole mythtv-backend-master setup

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wagnerrp:

every mythtv system, regardless of its function, needs a database and backend

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wagnerrp:

it can only use one database, and it only needs one backend

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tank-man:

ask the ubuntu mythtv package maintainer or read the docs with that package :)

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gbee_:

database for storage of settings and file metadata etc, backend for the serving of data and files to the frontends

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dragonbyte:

if i rip a dvd from a frontend does it copy it to the network share or does it rip directly?

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wagnerrp:

depends on where you tell it to save the file

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wagnerrp:

if you save it to a folder under the network mount, then it saves to the network share

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: I've made it as far as cleaning out my tree of my changes so I can apply and look your stuff over, I had a nice lull I was going to use but have wasted much of it being "cheap" by avoiding paying someone who knows what they are doing. As usually I should have time tomorrow, you are at the top of my neglected mythtv post-it stack.

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dragonbyte:

well i just mean does it try to do the rip locally and then copy on completion or rip directly to the network

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yfaykya:

gbee: This a possible myth bug ?

[20:20:09]

yfaykya:

Error loading image to scale, from file: myth://Videos@192.168.1.100:6543//TVSeries/Band Of Brothers/folder.jpg

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Anduin:

dragonbyte: it does it "locally" unless locally is really a network share

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wagnerrp:

dragonbyte: you do understand that POSIX implies a flat file system, correct?

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wagnerrp:

any disk, any network share, is just mounted to a folder on the existing file system

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dragonbyte:

wagnerrp: I just didn't know if the frontend could be told to do it to a tmp place before copying it to its final position

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wagnerrp:

ive never used dvd ripping in mythvideo

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dragonbyte:

wagnerrp: /tmp wouldnt likely be a network share where /media/library might be

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ccfreak2k:

I think a better question is, "where is the temporary copy of the movie kept while ripping?"

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dragonbyte:

ccfreak2k: yes! exactly :)

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tank-man:

maybe some documentation somewhere has this answer :)

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Anduin:

dragonbyte: there isn't a "temp" copy unless it is going to be transcoded

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dragonbyte:

tank-man: the piece of documentation i found on the subject said "you can use it to rip dvds" and then proceeded to provide instructions how to do it without using mythfrontend :)

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Interface-:

is there any way to get title info etc inside the recorded mpeg? or do i need to create a userjob to do that?

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tank-man:

"All video files must be readable as part of the local filesystem. This means if you have a separate frontends and backends, you must share the the directories remotely"

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wagnerrp:

Interface-: what do you mean?

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Interface-:

the mpeg right now has no title metadata inside the mpeg

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tank-man:

dragonbyte, you dont need the frontend to rip, there are many ways to rip a dvd witho0ut mythtv

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Anduin:

Interface-: 4?

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dragonbyte:

tank-man: i know, it just seemed convenient to be able to put a dvd in and say rip and have it wind up in the library :)

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Interface-:

Anduin : well if i copy the file to any other device, or if my MT picks up the file in its database, there's no info on what the file contains

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tank-man:

i don't think mpeg files have metadata inside

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Interface-:

erhm, good question

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tank-man:

that stuff is stored in the db and associated with the filename

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Anduin:

Interface-: Yeah, but depending on what type that file is it may not be possible, nuvexport used to make nice versions for other devices.

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tank-man:

Interface-, so yea use a userjob script to get that info and rename/copy it somewhere

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Interface-:

yeah, seems like that's the best option, since i can pass the title info as a parameter to the userjob, right?

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Anduin:

Interface-: mythrename exists as well if you just want meaningful filenames

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justinh:

anykey__: some, but I've had to leave it with a grownup because I just couldn't figure out why it wasn't making the child area sizes all the same. it's at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/hacks.diff iirc

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justinh:

yay it is that. I can't log into the server to ls right now :-\

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justinh:

anykey__: once the CollapseArea method is working it should be straightforward to finish it off

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justinh:

I know it sucks I can't finish it but I really hit a brick wall. I hate being beaten

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anykey__:

:(

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justinh:

if anybody feels like taking a look feel free. gbee said he'd have a go on it when he's got time but he has plenty to do already

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anykey__:

maybe I'll give it a shot next week

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justinh:

well, collapsearea should iterate through all an object's children (in this case the children of buttons) & make expand their areas to be the biggest

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justinh:

s/make//

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justinh:

maybe I just missed something obvious as usual, or maybe there's something fundamentally wrong

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justinh:

I'd like to be able to put the lid on it so I can crack on with rejigging the playback box popup menus & start rocking that boat ;)

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anykey__:

I have plenty of time next week. Now I need to figure out why I can't switch back to vt1 when switching to vt2 (xorg)

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justinh:

apparently there are folks upstairs opposed to having only one menu in the PBB, so I'd be aiming to convince people by getting them to try a new way

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justinh:

things at work are getting inordinately busy now, so I don't have as much time anymore :)

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asdffdsa:

Phenom X4 9650 vs Phenom II X3 710 for a media player — thoughts?

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gbee_:

what advantage does a quad or tri core give you over a dual core for a media player?

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gbee_:

what disadvantages?

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walstib:

I compiled mplayer and mythtv with vdpau support. Mplayer is using vdpau, but I set the mythtv playback settings to use vdpau, but it had no effect. Any ideas?

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justinh:

walstib: look in mythfrontend's log output to find out why

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justinh:

using the -v playback switch might yield more clues too

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justinh:

hrm. finally getting around to looking at why both M & I bring up the OSD menu during playback

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justinh:

not my lirc config to blame...

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justinh:

eh? there's not even a definable keybinding to show the OSD menu by the looks of it

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walstib:

justinh: nothing showed up in the log. but using -v playback turne dup something interesting...2009-02–28 16:02:57.049 VideoOutputXv: Desired video renderer 'vdpau' not available.

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asdffdsa:

other than running a 2.6.28 kernel and loading the firmware, what do i need to do to make a msi digivox mini III work?

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walstib:

I'm not sure why vdpau support showed up in the frontend playback settings, but then the renderer was not available for livetv

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walstib:

I'm doing a clean build just in case

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justinh:

weird. in tv_play.cpp there's no definition for "INFO" – so I guess my lirc config is borked somehow

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justinh:

oh wait.

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justinh:

that else ToggleOSD(true);

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justinh:

why two keys to toggle the OSD menu?

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justinh:

that's a pita

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justinh:

still, easy patch :)

[21:19:36]

justinh:

then I can get the programme details onto I during playback

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gbee_:

MENU for menu, INFO for details (press twice, first shows position, second the description etc)

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justinh:

gbee_: not happening here. for some reason on my -fixes frontend, the remote button bound to 'i' brings up the OSD menu :(

[21:21:56]

gbee_:

works just fine here on three different machines

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justinh:

it's bugged me for ages so I'm looking at why

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justinh:

my remote has no 'info' button so it's on '10'. defnitely works though, so I can get the 2 different popups up in 'watch recordings'

[21:27:16]

dragonbyte:

mythvideo can't be pointed at a specific place to look for videos? It just searches everything?

[21:27:33]

wagnerrp:

you tell it the folder you want to scan within

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dragonbyte:

where?

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wagnerrp:

the settings

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justinh:

wonder if there's anything wrong with my OSD theme

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justinh:

ouch. when did ITV1 change to 704x576?

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dragonbyte:

wagnerrp: ahh found it

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dragonbyte:

wagnerrp: i think anyways

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dragonbyte:

wagnerrp: this thing isn't quite as smooth on a mac

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justinh:

hrm. the info bit comes up very briefly then falls back to the OSD menu

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trumee:

hello guys

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_abbenormal:

hey

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trumee:

i have some ripped DVDs in the form of .VOB on my mythbox. Is it possible to display the file-size when browsing using mythvideo?

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trumee:

A typical ripped dvd has maybe 3 or 4 VOB with actual content whereas the rest of the files (vob/vts) are just for menus. I would like mythvideo to show me the filesize so i can play the ones i want. Currently, i cant make out which ones have data and which ones dont

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gbee:

just put them in a VIDEO_TS subfolder, mythtv will figure out the correct one to play automatically

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gbee:

filmname/VIDEO_TS/*.vob, will appear as 'filmname' to mythvideo and will playback just like a DVD in the drive or an ISO

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trumee:

gbee, that will be cool. So i dont need to actually select vobs

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trumee:

i guess video_ts has to be in all capital .

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asdffdsa:

in captial dots? ;)

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trumee:

gbee, didnt work

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trumee:

libdvdread: Couldn't find device name.

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trumee:

libdvdnav: Can't read name block. Probably not a DVD-ROM device

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gbee:

0.21?

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trumee:

Yes

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gbee:

works(ed) for me

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trumee:

i was trying to watch it on a remote frontend

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trumee:

the files are on the backend. and that folder is cifs mounted on the frontend

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gbee:

can you try it locally? cifs sucks and might just be causing problems

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jams:

gbee- updating my install stuff to work with mythui. Between qt4 and mythui updates this is going to be some work.

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gbee:

always use NFS over cifs where you can btw

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gbee:

jams: welcome

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jams:

=)

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jams:

i have a whole bunch of stuff commented right now just it compiles

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trumee:

http://www.pastebin.ca/1349957

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trumee:

gbee, walking to my remote backend to test it out. be back soon

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jams:

i will say some of the ui does seem cleaner.

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trumee:

gbee, yo were right. it is playing great locally

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trumee:

gbee, so cifs is the culprit. would nfs be ok?

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gbee:

cifs is usually to blame in any equation in which it is involved ;) NFS should work, but if it doesn't then that'll be pretty interesting :)

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gbee:

jams: just some? :p

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jams:

gbee- I will have better things to say once things are working again.

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gbee:

no seriously there were some areas where power triumphed over simplicity, I still cringe a little at xml for a buttonlist

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gbee:

but I don't really think it could be prettier and yet still retain the same features

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jams:

Right now buttons from my popup don't seem to connect to anything. But it's better then the instant segfault i was getting.

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jams:

There we go. AddButton changed but the compilier didn't complain about it, so I kept glossing right over the syntax change.

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trumee:

gbee, i tried it with nfs. I was able play the video, but it was quite jerky

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trumee:

gbee, even browsing in the video-gallery was slow. Withs browing the video gallery was quite quick

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trumee:

gbee, the backend has this in /etc/exports "/mnt/myth *(async,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check,rw)" and the frontend has this in /etc/fstab "pbx:/mnt/myth /mnt/myth nfs auto,rw,user,intr,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,async,nfsvers=3,bg,actimeo=0,tcp 0 0"

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trumee:

damn, with nfs the video is quite jerky

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gbee:

I'm not an nfs expert, but nfs should be just as fast as cifs, I've personally never had any issues with it

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gbee:

you might just have to wait for one of this lot for suggestions

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trumee:

The video is stalling all the time. Not very good

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mzb_d800:

trumee: you want sync on the server, and async on the client

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trumee:

mzb_d800, let me try this

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mzb_d800:

you should also probably increase thread count

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trumee:

mzb_d800, how can i do that?

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mzb_d800:

in debian (and relatives) check /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server for RPCNFSDCOUNT

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trumee:

mzb_d800, it is still jerky with sync on server and async on client

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trumee:

mzb_d800, i have OPTS_RPC_NFSD="8"

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mzb_d800:

try 128

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trumee:

mzb_d800, still jerky :(

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mzb_d800:

restart the server, ensure clients umount/mount the shares

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mzb_d800:

grep ^th /proc/net/rpc/nfsd

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mzb_d800:

(on the server)

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trumee:

th 128 1025 3.536 0.727 0.529 0.000 0.372 0.305 0.374 0.441 0.000 1.545

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mzb_d800:

k

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mzb_d800:

what format is the filesystem you're exporting?

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mzb_d800:

I suggest you use xfs if you aren't already ... I've always had issues trying to get ext{23} to keep up

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trumee:

mzb_d800, they are on ext3

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trumee:

and the files are sitting on an truecrypt filesystem

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mzb_d800:

jees

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trumee:

ha ha

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trumee:

i guess truecrypt might be the problem ?

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mzb_d800:

try it out on an (unencrypted) xfs partition and see if it's different.

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trumee:

i guess i can directly invole mplayer on the file system, rather than going thru mythvideo

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yfaykya:

When you have a strorage group for video what should the startup dir be for mythvideo? I am getting double entries on a scan

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mzb_d800:

trumee: just create an xfs partition on the|a server, put a sample video on it and export it

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mzb_d800:

then mount that export on the client in the same position as the original video

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mzb_d800:

ie: use the same testing procedure you used before!

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trumee:

mzb_d800, ok i tried to use mplayer rather than going thru mythvideo. and the file plays perfectly fine

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trumee:

there are no hiccups at all

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mzb_d800:

uhuh

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mzb_d800:

do you have "always stream from backend" selected?

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mzb_d800:

if so, turn it off

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trumee:

mzb_d800, not sure about that. does it need to be set in mythtv-setup?

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mzb_d800:

FE

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mzb_d800:

I think it's under playback

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trumee:

cant find that option

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trumee:

mzb_d800, ok it wasnt set

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mzb_d800:

testing with mplayer doesn't really help ... try exporting an xfs partition (somewhere)

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mzb_d800:

although there's a chance that it could be the cpu profile settings in the FE

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mzb_d800:

choose slim and work up

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mzb_d800:

what sort of graphics card & cpu are you using?

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trumee:

mzb_d800, it is set to slim

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trumee:

cpu is core 2 duo 2.4 Ghz on FE and graphics card is nvidia 9800GT

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mzb_d800:

stuttering on SD as well?

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mzb_d800:

or only hd?

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trumee:

No SD plays fine

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trumee:

hd is also not bad

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mzb_d800:

ok, try xfs partition as export

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mzb_d800:

sounds like something is marginal

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mzb_d800:

you might want to install gkrellmd on server+client and then watch performance under playback at both ends

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mzb_d800:

10/100 network? or gb?

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gbee:

yfaykya: leave it blank

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mzb_d800:

hint with gkrellm: you want *smooth* graphs ;)

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mzb_d800:

(network, disk and cpu)

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mzb_d800:

ps: invert writes on each graph

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trumee:

mzb_d800, 10/100 network

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trumee:

i am copying the same file to an xfs partition

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mzb_d800:

k

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mzb_d800:

brb5

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** mzb_d800 runs around the house naked **

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clever:

* Hangover3P runs through the room naked and does a back flip onto Soviet_Union's shoulders

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clever:

seems to be alot of that on irc today:P

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trumee:

is it possible to use mplayer to play vobs rather than internal player?

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jams:

trumee- that can be setup under the file associations portion of the mythvideo setings

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trumee:

jams, have a VIDEO_TS folder which i want to play using mplayer rather than Internal player. is that possible?

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jams:

don't know

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trumee:

i changed VOB file type to mplayer. But it still plays the VIDEO_TS folder using Internal

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mzb_d800:

can you associate to a folder? ie: VIDEO_TS/

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trumee:

mzb_d800, yes there is a setting for VIDEO_TS as well

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** mzb_d800 takes care of laundry ... bbl **

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trumee:

i changed it from Internal to mplayer but it did not play

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trumee:

i guess i need to pass a parameter to mplayer as well

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trumee:

mplayer dvd://1 -dvd-device /path_to_video_ts does that

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trumee:

ok, i will give up :(. Can live with mplayer cli at the moment

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yfaykya:

gbee: blank startup directory for me is causing folder.jpg to not show. with error as such: Error loading image to scale, from file: myth://Videos@192.168.1.100:6543//TVSeries/The West Wing/folder.jpg

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coda:

hi there guys!

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coda:

excuse me, is there any 'official' tutorial to start mythtv frontend at startup?

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jams:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.11

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jams:

if you want something for an automatic login, take a look at kdm or gdm

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pheld:

jams: that page isn't exactly generic. It would be better to tell people to 1. create a user that is allowed to run the frontend, 2. make mythfrontend autostart on login, and 3 set up the display-manager to autologin the myth user on boot. Then direct to distro-doc for further detail on how to accomplish the individual tasks.

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laga:

pheld: send a patch

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gbee:

yfaykya: raise it with GreyFoxx

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