Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, February 25th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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netrix:

iamlindoro: agreed. but i am comparing the basic up/down actions on the menus. the remote just seems slow. i almost never use it, because the keyboard is way more convienient.

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iamlindoro:

*shrug*, here it's perfectly reponsive ("Works for me" (tm))

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netrix:

iamlindoro: what do you use for your remote and reciever?

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iamlindoro:

mceusb

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gbee:

OT, but has anyone seen clearly bogus load averages before? Where every other metric and common sense says that the machine is idle but the load avs are insanely high?

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netrix:

iamlindoro: one last question. do you have to use the repeat directive in your lircrc?

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iamlindoro:

I have repeats set to 0

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Dibblah:

gbee: Are you seeing high iowait?

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netrix:

iamlindoro: interesting. so if you use irw one keypress on the remote results in one code being recieved?

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iamlindoro:

irw doesn't know anything about lircrc

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iamlindoro:

irw *only* knows about the contents of lircd.conf

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iamlindoro:

repeat settings in lircrc only pertain to the application using the lirc client API, not to irw

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gbee:

Dibblah: nope

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netrix:

iamlindoro: yeah i know, just wondering if when you look at the irw output if a keypress on the remote results in one code.

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Dibblah:

What's the machine?

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iamlindoro:

netrix, no, of course not

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Dibblah:

And how high?

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iamlindoro:

netrix, irw reflects what's being sent by the remote, which is a stream of the commands

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netrix:

without setting repeat in my lircrc things seem jumpy, like it will skip past the menu selection i am trying to hit.

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Dibblah:

http://www.teamquest.com/resources/gunther/display/5/index.htm

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netrix:

suprised you don't use repeat at all. all the remotes i tried need a bit of fiddling with repeat.

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gbee:

Dibblah: x2 3600, 1/5/10 avs are all over 6

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iamlindoro:

I only want one keypress to be one command

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gbee:

which is higher than I've actually ever seen on a desktop (well backend) machine

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Dibblah:

gbee: Check /proc/interrupts

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Dibblah:

Look for the incrementing one.

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netrix:

iamlindoro: i am rereading the docs for lircrc, i misunderstood repeat=0. i am going to give it a go.

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netrix:

iamlindoro: thanks for help.

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iamlindoro:

netrix, np, good luck

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netrix:

iamlindoro: cheers.

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gbee:

Dibblah: heh, doesn't narrow it down that much, movement on the same bus as the wireless card and IGP ... and also on the tuner bus

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Dibblah:

Do you have cards with optional CI slots?

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Dibblah:

And what kernel version?

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gbee:

thinking about it I'm going to blame the wireless driver, I've noticed ntos_wq creaping into the top five in top

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gbee:

it would probably go away with a restart of ndiswrapper, but if I reboot the wireless never comes back up automatically and that then involves the painful task of daisy chaining cat5 around the house so I can restore it again

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Lexridge:

iamlindoro: Doing the mythfilldatabase refresh did not work. :( Could it be perhaps the separating charactor (ie Mythtv has 12_1 and SD has 12–1)?

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iamlindoro:

Lexridge, Nope, the nammel number won't mean anything if you've manually put in xmltvids

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iamlindoro:

er channel number

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iamlindoro:

the xmltvids + those same IDs existing in any one of your SD lineups + any lineup being assigned to that input is all that is necessary

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Lexridge:

humm, okay. Any other ideas then?

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gbee:

Dibblah: thanks for pointing me in the right direction

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iamlindoro:

nope

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Lexridge:

Perhaps SD is not receiving off-air programming data for my area yet

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iamlindoro:

They won't have an ID assigned to a channel for which they have no info

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Lexridge:

that makes sense

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Dibblah:

What's ndiswrapper hiding?

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Dibblah:

Not surprised your loadavg is high. The stuff that does in the interrupt handler... <shudder>

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clever:

do i even want to know?

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Dibblah:

Because it's wrapping the interrupt handler of the embedded driver, it's a lot heavier than native.

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Dibblah:

At least it was.

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netrix-:

iamlindoro: repeat=0 was it, it's much better now! thanks again.

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iamlindoro:

and like that, he walked out of my life

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Lexridge:

iamlindoro: Just noticed the channel on SD that it has a numeric ID if I hover my mouse over it. Is that what I want for the xmltvid or the call sign, WBOYDT?

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iamlindoro:

the number is the xmltvid

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Lexridge:

okay, then that is the problem. DOH!

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a1fa:

it sucks not having cable

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jpabq:

iamlindoro: don't know if you noticed, but monoprice is selling the HDFury2 for $150

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a1fa:

sucks

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a1fa:

i finally need to whipe out my myth show database

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, hadn't noticed that... not a lot of expendable income right now or I'd be interested

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a1fa:

is there a command (not mysql) that would whipe mythfilldatabase?

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a1fa:

or i'll have to delete every record?

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a1fa:

nvm

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a1fa:

i just wiped all channels

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a1fa:

that took care of it

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Anduin:

a1fa: you can refresh everything or delete the source

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a1fa:

thats what i did

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a1fa:

:p

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mavric:

i always seem to get hung up at the unable to login to data base screen, everytime, no exceptions, i cannot get past this screen, i follow the directions to the T....same results everytime, any ideas?

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a1fa:

what are you talking about

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mavric:

sql of course

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a1fa:

how are you logging in?

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mavric:

just like it tells me to, im following the initial configuration screens

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mavric:

data base is on the same machine, i use 127.0.0.0 as the address

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a1fa:

is your database up?

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iamlindoro:

127.0.0.0 is *not* the loopback address

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a1fa:

netstat -nap

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a1fa:

:)

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a1fa:

even more obvious

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mavric:

well if i am following the directions the screens present me with i would assume so

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a1fa:

it could be a bug

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iamlindoro:

did you import the DB with the mc.sql script?

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iamlindoro:

no. It's not a bug.

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iamlindoro:

It'

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iamlindoro:

It's the same old "people not actually reading the manual" bug

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mavric:

dude im just following the instructions myth gives me, im not a devleoper

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iamlindoro:

Reading myth's prompts is not enough

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a1fa:

127.0.0.0 is clearly something :)

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a1fa:

but not what you want

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iamlindoro:

you need to read the instructions in the *manual*

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a1fa:

its loop back broadcast

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mavric:

lol

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a1fa:

haha

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mavric:

ive used the ip of the machine too

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/

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mavric:

same results

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a1fa:

sucka :p

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iamlindoro:

Read *that*

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iamlindoro:

you need to create the DB before you can log into it.

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iamlindoro:

Nothing is going to work until you follow the manual

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mavric:

been there done that, no clue

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iamlindoro:

no clue what?

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mavric:

same results

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iamlindoro:

If you had been there and done that, you would have created the DB with the mc.sql script

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mavric:

unable to login to data base every time

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mavric:

i tried running that

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jpabq:

What password did you set for the mythtv user?

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jpabq:

is mysqld actually running?

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mavric:

well i set up a password, saved it, then at the end of that mess, it assigned a whole different password, tried both, same result

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jpabq:

..... mythtv mysql user

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mavric:

sql works fine with no fuss in amarok, strange it has problems in myth

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a1fa:

ah. ah ah

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mavric:

need a tongue depressor?

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jpabq:

mavric: if you type "mysql --user=<mythtv> --pass=<mythtv pass> mythconverg" on the command line, and substitute your mysql user for <mythtv> and your mysql password for <mythtv pass>, what happens?

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mavric:

ill try it

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mavric:

unknown variable

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jpabq:

Actually the --pass needs to by --password

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mavric:

sudo mysql --nixuser=mythtv=mythtv linuxmint mythconverg

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** iamlindoro blinks **

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iamlindoro:

this is like willfull dyslexia

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mavric:

bleh @ command line

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mavric:

ill just use xp media center

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iamlindoro:

ok

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iamlindoro:

Nice

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_abbenormal:

lol

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iamlindoro:

Sorry, but that guy was in way over his head

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mchou:

that's funny!

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mchou:

he's probably on the failbus even for MCE

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iamlindoro:

What's with people who think it makes us sad for them to use MCE?

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Lexridge:

iamlindoro: Got it working now. :) Thanks for the help.

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iamlindoro:

Lexridge, glad to hear it, you are welcome

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iamlindoro:

"Beginning with driver version 180.35, VDPAU now supports VC-1/WMV

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iamlindoro:

acceleration on all GPUs that VDPAU supports."

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iamlindoro:

wow

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iamlindoro:

Heh, that's pretty great

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GreyFoxx:

a new version ? cool

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GreyFoxx:

HAhahha after all the scrambling for a VC1 capable card

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

I have a couple mid-high end 9xxx GPUs that didn't support it to date, but have more than enough power for all the deint, will be nice to not worry about VC1 if I play with VDPAU again

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GreyFoxx:

That is goodnews though and takews away the confusion

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: so all cards that can run VDPAU support VC-1 now?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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GreyFoxx:

and btter docs on using the deinterlacers

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GreyFoxx:

which should be good for the renderer

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: that's nice

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mchou:

haha

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iamlindoro:

Should be a nice surprise for mark_k when he wakes up

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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mchou:

waiting pays off as usual

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, what's more, they went straight to stable with .35

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Stable driver, that is

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

nice

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Am curious to know about how they managed it for cards without the entropy hardware

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** GreyFoxx installs the new driver **

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Wonder if they pushed everything they could to the decode hardware and did the rest in CUDA

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GreyFoxx:

Whatever they did they deserve virtual hugs from all the whiners

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GreyFoxx:

"wah wah your alpha code doesn't support my card, you suck"

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, The best they'll get is new types of whining :)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Which is a step I guess

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, and the first whining about having bought 8400 GSs commences :)

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GreyFoxx:

Wonder if this still reconcile my 1 "regular" crash which is in LibGL

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GreyFoxx:

hahahahaha people suck sometimes :)

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, BTW, I know you still haven't gone for Blu-ray, but on the topic of VC-1... The Dark Knight is right up there w/ Planet earth in raw "Wow" factor on blu-ray, I highly recommend it when you go that way-- it's VC-1 too

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mchou:

ok, so are you folks sure about VC-1 working? This is not some "mistake" in the docs? :)

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mchou:

I mean on all cards that support VDPAU

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GreyFoxx:

according to their announcement

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mchou:

cause even people at nvidia are confused :)

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GreyFoxx:

hahaah I just updated my driver and the FE wont complete starting up

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GreyFoxx:

hopefully unrelated :)

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iamlindoro:

!trout GreyFoxx early adopter

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** MythLogBot slaps GreyFoxx with a early adopter trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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GreyFoxx:

someones gotta test the stuff :)

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iamlindoro:

;)

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mchou:

yup

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mchou:

testing is good

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mchou:

need to do homework

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mchou:

cause you cant trust anyone else to do theirs :)

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, hope they fix the vsync stuff soonish

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, they released new mplayer patches too so that ought to simplify the myth fixes

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GreyFoxx:

Man this is weird

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GreyFoxx:

all I did was update the nvidia driver and reboot and now I get weirness unrelated to the video/X

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: what's going on?

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a1fa:

sucks

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a1fa:

;P

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mchou:

what kind of weirdness?

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GreyFoxx:

It's as if permissions on my drives had changed or something

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.pastebin.ca/1346424

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

nvidia failbus

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a1fa:

fail

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GreyFoxx:

What annoys me is that the bits that fail are related to the disk monitoring which I don't want anyway

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a1fa:

my next build out will have SD system drive

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a1fa:

and 10TB raid 5

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a1fa:

PATA

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a1fa:

:)

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a1fa:

how much would you pay for AMD64 3200+/372mbRAM/500GB/6600GT NVIDIA/?

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a1fa:

PVR-500 tuner

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mchou:

a1fa: probaby $20

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a1fa:

mchou: fucker.. i hope you have more problems with your box

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a1fa:

:P

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mchou:

what more problem?

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a1fa:

i was asking everybody else

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a1fa:

ah.. nvm :P

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mchou:

my boxes are fine, thanks

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ccfreak2k:

a1fa, the CPU is probably $30–40.

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ccfreak2k:

Wait, AMD64.

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ccfreak2k:

So probably $60ish.

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mchou:

ccfreak2k: there is no way the cpu is worth that much

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a1fa:

for the whole box?

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a1fa:

PVR-500 is $120

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a1fa:

500GB hd is $99

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a1fa:

so even at 50% of that value

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mchou:

ccfreak2k: frys sells better procs now from AMD for $25

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mchou:

LE-1640 is <$20 at frys

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mchou:

retail, not OEM

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a1fa:

lolz

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GreyFoxx:

hahah I reverted the drive back to 180.29 and now it loads just fine

[01:51:39]

GreyFoxx:

wtf

[01:51:59]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: I told ya, gotta make sure :)

[01:52:25]

GreyFoxx:

oh well, I'll look at it again Saturday during the normal maintenance window :)

[01:52:38]

elmojo:

GreyFoxx: is one of the plugins responsible for the disc monitoring or is it part of the core mythfrontend?

[01:52:49]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: so much for 'working' on all GPUs :)

[01:52:51]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, May/prbably will have been combed over by Chutt and mark by then too :)

[01:53:18]

GreyFoxx:

elmojo: The a combination of both actually :)

[01:53:23]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Yeah

[01:53:29]

high-rez:

wow, awesome. 180.35 brought vc1 supporting to vdpau on my card. :D

[01:53:36]

mchou:

lol

[01:53:40]

iamlindoro:

Welcome to an hour ago

[01:53:47]

mchou:

this is gonna be rich

[01:53:57]

mchou:

forget all the bellyaching

[01:54:03]

** GreyFoxx wonders when Farscape will come out in Blu-Ray heh **

[01:54:04]

a1fa:

so.. how much is that box worth again?

[01:54:08]

elmojo:

back to 180.29 for now

[01:54:10]

mchou:

this is on a whole different dimension

[01:54:32]

high-rez:

iamlin: Thanks dude, glad to be part of the past now.

[01:54:41]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, I keep checking but no luck :(

[01:54:51]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Would take quite a bit of work from the reading I've done

[01:54:51]

a1fa:

how can i wipe all recording schedules?

[01:55:04]

a1fa:

w/o going into database and dropping them

[01:55:08]

GreyFoxx:

the first season or 2 were only shot in 4:3 weren't they ?

[01:55:14]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Including re-framing a lot of the first three seasons (or releasing in 1080p 4:3)

[01:55:33]

iamlindoro:

Plus the many MANY effect shots :(

[01:55:40]

RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: On a commit submission is there a way to remove old uploaded files? This weekend I will be submitting a new ttvdb (thetvdb.com Query engine) which is a complete replacement of the older version. Last time I did that people kept downloading the older version, so I would like to remove the old versions.

[01:55:41]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: I'm going through yet another "Watch every episode" binge with farscape

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a1fa:

How much $$$? AMD64 3200+/372mbRAM/500GB/6600GT NVIDIA/PVR-500/

[01:55:52]

iamlindoro:

Last I read the rights had reverted to Sony, so at least that's good as they are aggressive about the technology

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, on a ticket, unfortunately not, it's there for all to see :)

[01:56:14]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: I saw talk about scifi buying 10 websodes over a year ago

[01:56:15]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, I adore that show

[01:56:18]

a1fa:

did i say it comes with brand new 500W power supply and a nice media case?

[01:56:23]

GreyFoxx:

and comments from rockne and such but so far nothig

[01:56:23]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, yeah, was hampered by the strike

[01:56:28]

GreyFoxx:

I check every couple months

[01:56:38]

GreyFoxx:

I wanna know if Aeryn and John will be in it or not ;)

[01:56:44]

GreyFoxx:

the original actors :)

[01:56:58]

iamlindoro:

I heard that it'd be a paraller story, no (or few) originals

[01:57:03]

RDV_Linux:

Oh well, thanks for the info.

[01:57:03]

iamlindoro:

er parallel

[01:57:25]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, I justify it by thinking if they can't find the latest file right in front of them, they don't deserve to have a working version :)

[01:57:33]

GreyFoxx:

[01:57:42]

GreyFoxx:

peace keeper wars left something to be desired :)

[01:57:45]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, We'll find out eventually :)

[01:57:49]

a1fa:

iamlindoro: how much do you think this garbage is worth?

[01:57:55]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Yeah, tying up what should have been a couple seasons in a few hours sucks :(

[01:58:03]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Like the last season of Alias, BLECH

[01:58:10]

a1fa:

i want that new pico intel+nvidia setup

[01:58:11]

iamlindoro:

a1fa, I dunno, certainly < $100

[01:58:15]

a1fa:

fucks :)

[01:58:18]

a1fa:

i'll sell for $200 :p

[01:58:25]

iamlindoro:

Gotta watch the language, man

[01:58:31]

a1fa:

i know, i am sorry

[01:58:35]

a1fa:

i am a repeat offender too

[01:58:36]

iamlindoro:

if the right person is looking at the screen you'll be gone

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a1fa:

nobody knows nothing.. no body saw nothing ;P

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, It's all complicated by the fact that they literally took an axe to all the props and sets

[02:00:04]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, They wouldn't let them move/store/buy them, so chop chop

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GreyFoxx:

scifi wouldn't or the henson people ?

[02:00:54]

iamlindoro:

SciFi wouldn't let the henson folks keep/store/move them

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a1fa:

iamlindoro: did you see the new pico proof of concept from intel and nvidia?

[02:00:59]

GreyFoxx:

pffft

[02:01:09]

iamlindoro:

a1fa, Yes, ION, am familiar with it

[02:01:13]

a1fa:

nvidia ion

[02:01:21]

a1fa:

will that be a sweet setup for frontend?

[02:01:32]

a1fa:

or too weak?

[02:01:48]

iamlindoro:

It will work for anything compatible with VDPAU

[02:02:04]

iamlindoro:

and probably well on its own for SD and maybe some light MPEG-2 HD

[02:02:20]

a1fa:

mythtv? boxee?

[02:02:21]

iamlindoro:

but if anything you have is processor intensive and not one of the above, you'll be sunk

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iamlindoro:

either should work fine on it

[02:02:46]

a1fa:

:P

[02:02:59]

a1fa:

i may be tempted to buy one

[02:03:01]

a1fa:

to test it out

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a1fa:

when a version becomes available

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Lexridge:

wow, the presidential address to congress looks spectacular in HD.

[02:24:52]

Lexridge:

you can really see how evil those evil politicians really look. ;)

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iamlindoro:

Yep. Fun to see the Repubs looking all surly and refusing to stand, and at this resolution I can figure out who to blame ;)

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Lexridge:

lol

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lenswipe:

hey all

[02:35:19]

lenswipe:

can someone give me a hand with streaming to an ipod touch running PlugPlayer

[02:35:30]

lenswipe:

PP connects to mythtv but shows no music

[02:35:49]

lenswipe:

presumably because mythtv server is looking at the wrong directory for music

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lenswipe:

how do i change that????

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lenswipe:

nvm ppls i think its sorted

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lenswipe:

yeah

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lenswipe:

its cool

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mkrufky:

cant we just tell mythtv that when it thinks a table is damaged, to JUST repair it, rather than only printing in mythbackend.log ?

[02:53:57]

mkrufky:

.....and all the tons of people that get this problem ..... i used to be able to just google the error message and the first hit has the command line solution

[02:54:19]

mkrufky:

but now i see tons of emails from people like me that forgot the command line

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mkrufky:

anyway ... i am fixing this via phpmyadmin ... i dont recall the command line fix, and i'd like to fix it within three minutes

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sphery:

mkrufky: that's the plan

[02:57:28]

mkrufky:

id like to script this for the future — does anybody have that cmd handy?

[02:57:29]

sphery:

but there are issue

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JEDIDIAH__:

lack of automatic crash recovery is what make some of us snicker at mysql...

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mkrufky:

sphery: ah, cool

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sphery:

mkrufky: if a repair is in progress and the MySQL server crashes (power loss, program crash, whatever), and you do /not/ do a repair on startiup, it will likely destroy the table it was repairing.

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mkrufky:

ah

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mkrufky:

well, ud think an automated repair would make a backup first

[02:58:40]

sphery:

And doing the repair (or analyze or optimize) can actually cause I/O issues when recording, so we could lose stuff if we do it at the wrong time

[02:58:43]

mkrufky:

...then again .... good luck backing up a table that requires repair

[02:58:49]

mkrufky:

ah

[02:59:03]

mkrufky:

well, how about another idea.......

[02:59:27]

mkrufky:

a process that constantly is monitoring the state of all the mythtv & related processes

[02:59:37]

mkrufky:

and notifies an admin if something needs attention

[02:59:43]

mkrufky:

(or i bet something already exists)

[02:59:48]

sphery:

so I have a plan to a) make it so myth can run jobs only "when there's enough time", b) make sure that no one touches the DB when maintenance is going on, c) make sure that if there's a crash Myth automatically repairs tables on startup, and d) does automatica backup/analyze/optimize/repair for users

[03:00:05]

sphery:

but it's going to be a while (as part of it is waiting on a patch from someone else who's been busy lately)

[03:00:27]

mkrufky:

ok

[03:00:53]

mkrufky:

another idea. ..... dunno if this is tracked or not ... but id like to know what recordings were missed / failed during the non-scheduled downtime

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sphery:

mkrufky: that might actually be in there...

[03:01:26]

sphery:

it would be in oldrecorded

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mkrufky:

cool, i'll take a look

[03:02:07]

mkrufky:

i dont think i actually missed anything today, but for the future...

[03:02:11]

sphery:

mkrufky: probably rsOffLine = 12 for status

[03:02:33]

sphery:

it should be kept around for 10 days (?--maybe a week)

[03:02:39]

mkrufky:

ok

[03:03:51]

sphery:

basically, if it's not recstatus of -3, 2, 3, 4, 8, 9, or 11, it didn't record for some "other than normal" reason

[03:04:17]

sphery:

reasons can be interpreted from RecStatusType in libs/libmythtv/programinfo.h

[03:04:49]

sphery:

But they may (should?) be spelled out for you if you go into the Previously Recorded screen and sort by date and look through them

[03:07:10]

mkrufky:

ah, cool

[03:07:47]

mkrufky:

er, "Previously Recorded screen" ?

[03:09:20]

sphery:

yeah...

[03:09:36]

sphery:

turning on TV now (was almost TV time, anyway :)

[03:09:59]

sphery:

with default menu theme, Manage Recordings|Previously Recorded

[03:10:19]

mkrufky:

ah, i havent been in "manage recordings" in a while — my bad

[03:10:24]

mkrufky:

i use mythweb for administration

[03:10:31]

mkrufky:

so, i see now

[03:10:38]

sphery:

1 is sort by time (or if already sorted by time, goes to reverse time)

[03:10:51]

sphery:

time should be the default, too, if you haven't changed it

[03:11:12]

mkrufky:

i guess u mean sort order?

[03:11:38]

sphery:

yeah

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mkrufky:

sorry, i got distracted by the telephone ... thanks for showing this to me, sphery :-)

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sphery:

mkrufky: enjoy :)

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Draylon:

hello?

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Draylon:

anyone there?

[03:51:36]

iamlindoro:

no

[03:52:09]

Draylon:

ha... its been years since i tried irc...

[03:52:23]

iamlindoro:

It hasn't changed, we still hate everyone

[03:52:28]

iamlindoro:

;)

[03:52:30]

_abbenormal:

lol

[03:52:52]

_abbenormal:

got to like it when you knwo where you stand

[03:53:03]

Draylon:

well i was hoping to pick the brains of afew haters out there

[03:53:06]

JEDIDIAH__:

...don't see so many bot wars though.

[03:53:19]

_abbenormal:

thats true

[03:53:20]

iamlindoro:

Just ask, if someone can/wants to answer your question, they shall

[03:53:30]

Draylon:

ok

[03:54:06]

tank-man:

you need permission before asking

[03:54:26]

_abbenormal:

no just raise your hand

[03:55:29]

sphery:

my hand is getting tired

[03:55:35]

Draylon:

mythbuntu is what i am using. when live tv starts, every thing it fine till i want to bring up the guid, then the remote stops responding for about 5 minutes, then the guild pops up.

[03:55:39]

** iamlindoro calls on sphery **

[03:56:02]

iamlindoro:

Ah, the old broken X trick

[03:56:02]

_abbenormal:

oh sorry wasnt watching

[03:56:07]

sphery:

sir, does AMC-HD deliver interlaced or progressive content?

[03:56:17]

iamlindoro:

!trout sphery interlaced

[03:56:17]

** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a interlaced trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

[03:56:29]

sphery:

heh

[03:56:35]

sphery:

Draylon: 0.21-fixes?

[03:56:58]

iamlindoro:

sphery, An interlaced trout, by the way, is a trout that hit's you twice, but half as hard each time

[03:57:01]

iamlindoro:

er hits

[03:57:27]

sphery:

and in slightly offset places...

[03:57:53]

iamlindoro:

yar

[03:57:57]

sphery:

Draylon: if 0.21-fixes http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5660 and http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6291

[03:58:15]

sphery:

Draylon: and (as a non-member), I'd like to say, welcome to the club (of users experiencing that issue)

[03:58:55]

iamlindoro:

Thought the conclusion on that one was that it was a bug in recent X

[04:00:28]

sphery:

whose conclusion"?

[04:00:36]

iamlindoro:

you know.... people

[04:00:39]

sphery:

I had posited that, but I have zero proof

[04:00:45]

iamlindoro:

The guys, in the thing, who said that stuff

[04:00:50]

** sphery wonders how many t's in posited **

[04:00:55]

iamlindoro:

just that one

[04:02:59]

sphery:

iamlindoro: did you notice how wrong I was to suggest that #6291 was a dup of #5660? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6291#comment:2

[04:03:27]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, you stupid sack of...

[04:03:30]

iamlindoro:

;)

[04:03:43]

sphery:

I guess the reporter of #6291 is under the impression that bug reports always contain all information on all permutations of settings/symptoms/...

[04:03:58]

sphery:

I wanna live in that world.

[04:04:03]

iamlindoro:

#5660 also doesn't mention having a USB powered fan

[04:04:13]

iamlindoro:

or a 4 GB memory stick

[04:04:17]

iamlindoro:

so it must not be the same!

[04:04:31]

sphery:

I'll bet that the guy in #5660 is using a 64-bit graphics card, but I'm not worried about it.

[04:04:46]

iamlindoro:

Definite con

[04:05:16]

sphery:

wonder how many people reading the archive of this channel looking for info on this particular problem will be led astray by my inside joke comment...

[04:05:37]

iamlindoro:

You mistakenly presume people search or read things to answer their questions

[04:06:01]

sphery:

heh

[04:07:41]

iamlindoro:

"Can someone PLEASE fix this????"

[04:07:54]

iamlindoro:

Ugh, this bug has been open for like three days already!!

[04:08:16]

sphery:

do you ever wonder if someone like Wayhigh is sitting around in the wrong channel waiting for someone to acknowledge his comment/start the interesting discussion he's craving?

[04:08:34]

iamlindoro:

Sometimes

[04:08:40]

sphery:

wow... a 3-day "how long"?

[04:09:00]

sphery:

which one is that?

[04:09:10]

iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6292#comment:4

[04:09:19]

iamlindoro:

And I was wrong... 2days

[04:09:32]

sphery:

oh, well as long as it's not an odd number of days...

[04:09:40]

grokky:

ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/180.35. Looks like some signficant improvements to deint for VDPAU on lower end cards and VC-1 for all.

[04:09:58]

iamlindoro:

Guess we'll be hearing that update hourly from here on out

[04:10:02]

iamlindoro:

just like last hour

[04:10:05]

iamlindoro:

and the hour before that

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iamlindoro:

;)

[04:10:20]

sphery:

VC-1 for all?

[04:10:23]

iamlindoro:

yep

[04:10:26]

sphery:

thought it required hardware support?

[04:10:39]

iamlindoro:

sphery, My guess is they offloaded partially, and did the rest in CUDA

[04:10:49]

sphery:

wonder how they're working the licenses...

[04:11:32]

iamlindoro:

sphery, The notable part past that is that they've improved the deinterlace code considerably so the advanced deinterlacers should start to work on lowest end cards

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sphery:

yeah, disable chroma deint, right?

[04:11:54]

iamlindoro:

yeah

[04:11:57]

sphery:

might have read that somewhere

[04:12:02]

iamlindoro:

in the dev channel

[04:12:09]

sphery:

you know all my secrets

[04:12:12]

iamlindoro:

;)

[04:12:19]

sphery:

(and you haven't told anyone about that one, have you?)

[04:12:19]

iamlindoro:

We just hang out in the same places

[04:12:30]

iamlindoro:

run in the same circles if you will

[04:12:52]

sphery:

I often feel like I'm running in circles in some conversations here...

[04:13:07]

iamlindoro:

not just here, there's always the list if you feel saucy

[04:13:48]

sphery:

that's more like walking in circles, though

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sphery:

well, I had planned to hang out a bit in case there were further on-topic questions about the non-responsiveness issue, but it seems our friend has accepted his fate for now

[04:14:37]

Draylon:

got another question...... the history channel is on channel 71, but SD has it listed as 70, can i remap myth around the issue, because SD ignors my emails.

[04:14:45]

sphery:

or, maybe has another question

[04:14:47]

iamlindoro:

spoke too soon

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grokky:

iamlindoro: Whoops. That'll teach me. I could have checked beirdo, but I had a bout of extreme laziness. Probably resulting from being at work.

[04:15:01]

sphery:

Draylon: analog or digital?

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Draylon:

analog

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iamlindoro:

grokky, Only playing anyway, it was obviously helpful since sphery ended up talking about it :)

[04:15:43]

sphery:

Draylon: yeah, just change the freqid for the channel to 71. it's on page 2 of the channel in the channel editor, IIRC

[04:15:52]

sphery:

channel editor in mythtv-setup

[04:16:16]

Draylon:

do i do it for both tuners?

[04:16:33]

sphery:

Draylon: and, if you like, change the channel number (which is only used to change channels in LiveTV)--channel number is user editable to any value you want

[04:16:44]

sphery:

Draylon: you need to do it for all affected video sources

[04:16:49]

grokky:

iamlindoro: yay! So when is trunk going to be updated to take advantage of it. I thought it would be already, its been out for hours ;)

[04:17:03]

iamlindoro:

grokky, Go to singapore and wake Mark Kendall

[04:17:15]

sphery:

so, if both tuners receive input from the same video source (i.e. cable analog or the STB's on the same cable system), that would be only one change

[04:17:30]

grokky:

sounds better than staying at work.

[04:18:04]

Draylon:

i am looking for the channel editor

[04:18:09]

sphery:

mythtv-setup

[04:21:22]

Draylon:

swtb?

[04:21:27]

Draylon:

stb?

[04:21:34]

iamlindoro:

She Who Takes Baths?

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grokky:

oh well. Better go finish my project planning to rollout 200TB of thumpers.

[04:21:40]

iamlindoro:

(Set Top Box)

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sphery:

set-top box

[04:21:56]

sphery:

200TB rabbits?

[04:22:08]

iamlindoro:

grokky, Drag your feet, it keeps the sandworms away

[04:22:18]

** iamlindoro sets a thumper and runs for the mountain **

[04:22:19]

sphery:

if you walk without rhythm...

[04:23:45]

iamlindoro:

We have users here with so many computers that my children will wear stillsuits, that's neat

[04:24:01]

grokky:

SUN X4540's, 48TB per 4RU. Nice toys. Now I feel like watching dune. dammnit :)

[04:24:31]

Draylon:

is there a way to change live tv to ANY channel reguardless of what SD says?

[04:24:32]

sphery:

iamlindoro is the master of Dune references

[04:24:45]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I *do* seem to make a lot of them

[04:25:25]

iamlindoro:

Draylon, The community oriented way of solving this problem is to file a ticket at SD, by the by

[04:25:35]

sphery:

I wonder how often you watch the movie and/or read the books

[04:25:45]

iamlindoro:

They'll get it fixed within a few days (and you can come up with a temporary fix too)

[04:26:11]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Don't watch the movie often, but I took an english and theology course that analyzed the first two books

[04:26:17]

sphery:

Draylon: what do you mean any channel regardles...

[04:26:35]

sphery:

oh, so you've actually studied them

[04:26:36]

sphery:

cool

[04:27:04]

iamlindoro:

yeah, though it's a bit foggy now I used to have all the theological references in my head

[04:27:13]

sphery:

nice

[04:27:30]

sphery:

I'd have to settle for the Clif's Notes version in wikipedia

[04:28:07]

sphery:

Draylon: you just need to have a channel defined in Myth for 78

[04:28:52]

sphery:

if it's not in the SD listings a) make sure you've selected the right provider and area (i.e. sometimes there are 3 or 4 providers listed for the same cable company, dependent on package or whatever)

[04:29:12]

sphery:

and b) if SD really doesn't have the info on the channel, just add it manually

[04:29:27]

sphery:

(though I'd venture a guess that any channel that SD doesn't even know about isn't worth watching :)

[04:37:21]

sphery:

I don't know which is worse... when a show tries to have a complex plot twist but you know exactly what's going to happen or when a show makes it look like they're going to try to have a complex plot twist and you know what's going to happen then they don't do it

[04:37:27]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/PBB-fanart.ogg

[04:37:31]

sphery:

or when they do, then they don't, then they do it anyway...

[04:37:35]

iamlindoro:

Finally got enough recordings to make that video interesting

[04:38:18]

sphery:

nice

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like gbee is amenable to the patches making it in until the pieces for a better solution are in place

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iamlindoro:

also, your last remark gave me a headache

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sphery:

heh, as did this episode of Criminal Minds for me

[04:40:15]

RealKillaz:

hi there

[04:40:19]

sphery:

Zoe's Reprise, seen it?

[04:40:25]

sphery:

hi RealKillaz

[04:40:28]

RealKillaz:

Is there a new script for imdb.pl?

[04:40:37]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Nope

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sphery:

tmbd.pl

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RealKillaz:

cause now I'm not getting the covers

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iamlindoro:

tmdb.pl, that is

[04:40:55]

iamlindoro:

no more imdb in trunk

[04:41:01]

sphery:

heh, I'm lisdexic

[04:41:02]

RealKillaz:

tmdb ohh

[04:41:04]

iamlindoro:

they don't want us, so we don't want them

[04:41:10]

RealKillaz:

lol

[04:41:12]

RealKillaz:

oh ok..

[04:41:28]

RealKillaz:

it has been long time ago.... where can I get more info about this issue?

[04:41:31]

sphery:

the tmdb.pl script is the way of the future

[04:42:00]

RealKillaz:

but it seems that imdb.pl is stil being used right?

[04:42:05]

RealKillaz:

out of the box..

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iamlindoro:

not in trunk

[04:42:15]

sphery:

it hasn't been taken out of Myth, but it's broken

[04:42:23]

sphery:

(doesn't download posters :)

[04:42:32]

iamlindoro:

(it *has* been removed from trunk, though)

[04:42:39]

sphery:

RealKillaz: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/365108#365108

[04:42:49]

sphery:

true... and I want it taken out of -fixes

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iamlindoro:

me too

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iamlindoro:

but I don't get a vote :)

[04:43:11]

sphery:

nor I

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iamlindoro:

The sooner people get used to tmdb (and start submitting stuff) the better it will be for everyone

[04:44:05]

sphery:

really? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/365314#365314

[04:44:05]

RealKillaz:

ok so where is tmdb pulling its info from?

[04:44:11]

sphery:

is it in -fixes, now?

[04:44:16]

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sphery:

The Movie Database (tmdb.com)

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iamlindoro:

.org

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iamlindoro:

themoviedb.org

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sphery:

oops

[04:45:03]

sphery:

I shouldn't be trying to think now...

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sphery:

there's no tmdb.pl in -fixes, though

[04:45:21]

sphery:

that post is wrong

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iamlindoro:

I hadn't thought so

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/365314#365314 said it is

[04:45:52]

iamlindoro:

Funny, I think that's the guy who wrote the script, too

[04:45:59]

RealKillaz:

tmdb looks nice

[04:46:11]

sphery:

RealKillaz: if you want the tmdb.pl script, you can get it with: svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/

[04:46:14]

sphery:

oops...

[04:46:15]

sphery:

wait

[04:46:25]

RealKillaz:

ok...

[04:46:31]

iamlindoro:

it also opens up all sorts of fun new information and metadata that .22 will hopefully be using

[04:46:50]

RealKillaz:

.22?

[04:46:53]

sphery:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythplugins/m . . . ipts/tmdb.pl and then svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ripts/MythTV

[04:46:53]

iamlindoro:

The TMDB switch will be a big win

[04:47:01]

RealKillaz:

ohh verions of Mythtv

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sphery:

sounds like a Faces Without Names song...

[04:48:09]

RealKillaz:

and sphery once I have it on my box. How can I configure tmdb to work with mythtv?

[04:48:53]

sphery:

ttbomk, just go through the MythVideo settings and change all the imdb.pl's to tmdb.pl

[04:49:05]

iamlindoro:

one more minor change

[04:49:12]

RealKillaz:

sphery: oh ok

[04:49:13]

RealKillaz:

cool

[04:49:23]

sphery:

(assuming tmdb.pl is in the PATH--and note that MythTV dir must be in the same dir as tmdb.pl)

[04:49:28]

iamlindoro:

on the first imdb line, there is an argument that includes tv=no,videos=no or something like that

[04:49:30]

sphery:

what's the other change?

[04:49:32]

iamlindoro:

remove that little bit

[04:49:39]

sphery:

ah...

[04:49:56]

** sphery doesn't do much mythvideo **

[04:50:04]

sphery:

too much tv

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iamlindoro:

I feel like it's all I've done for a few months

[04:50:25]

RealKillaz:

iamlindoro: ok let me first download it and change the imdb.pl to tmdb.pl

[04:50:26]

sphery:

yeah

[04:50:30]

iamlindoro:

I think it's maintainer is not talking to me any more :)

[04:50:49]

iamlindoro:

after I promised to make my next patch not for his plugin and lied :)

[04:51:58]

sphery:

I got another patch with a quick turnaround... But the ones that nag me more (the ones that are bug fixes--for features (and, therefore, bugs) I wrote) are still waiting for review after months... :)

[04:52:06]

RealKillaz:

sphery: why should I get tmdb.pl and the MythTV out of the svn?

[04:52:12]

iamlindoro:

got two in yesterday

[04:52:29]

iamlindoro:

though I think that was gbee trying to reduce his tickets :)

[04:52:32]

sphery:

iamlindoro: no fair... I can't remember the last time I got 2 patches in one day

[04:52:46]

sphery:

RealKillaz: if you know of another place to find it, that would probably work

[04:52:53]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Actually, on second thought, the second one didn't get in, but should go in shortly

[04:53:13]

sphery:

Good... I was going to complain.

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iamlindoro:

demand a full refund?

[04:53:56]

sphery:

yeah...

[04:54:27]

iamlindoro:

I put pictures on the theming manual and made it prettified today

[04:54:29]

sphery:

RealKillaz: if you're trying to save getting the whole SVN structure, you can just: svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ideo/scripts

[04:54:35]

iamlindoro:

someday when you look at it it might actually be tolerable :)

[04:54:37]

sphery:

RealKillaz: and then use svn export]

[04:54:50]

sphery:

without the ]--so svn export

[04:56:18]

sphery:

oops... just realize that some of my links still have the browser stuff in them...

[04:57:54]

sphery:

anyway, just do mkdir MythTV && svn cat http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythplugins/m . . . ipts/tmdb.pl > tmdb.pl && svn cat http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythplugins/m . . . deoCommon.pm > MythTV/MythVideoCommon.pm

[04:58:27]

sphery:

you'll need a chmod 755 tmdb.pl, too

[04:59:17]

RealKillaz:

oh ok... so I need the MythVideoCommon.pm also..

[04:59:38]

RealKillaz:

because I tried only with tmdb.pl.. and I got a nice error message

[04:59:45]

sphery:

and chmod 755 MythTV/MythVideoCommon.pm

[04:59:57]

RealKillaz:

Can't locate MythTV/MythTVCommon.pm etc

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sphery:

right... you have to have MythTV dir in the same dir as tmdb.pl and it must have MythVideoCommon.pm in it

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RealKillaz:

ok cool

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sphery:

mkdir MythTV && svn cat http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythplugins/m . . . ipts/tmdb.pl > tmdb.pl && svn cat http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythplugins/m . . . deoCommon.pm > MythTV/MythVideoCommon.pm && chmod 755 ./tmdb.pl ./MythTV/MythVideoCommon.pm

[05:02:31]

RealKillaz:

let's see if it works now

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RealKillaz:

still no posters/covers

[05:05:42]

RealKillaz:

I have changed all 3 imdb.pl to tmdb.pl

[05:05:50]

RealKillaz:

and removed the video=no etc

[05:06:03]

iamlindoro:

did you move tmdb into the correct directory?

[05:06:09]

iamlindoro:

(and the .pm)

[05:06:12]

sphery:

such that it's in the path

[05:06:23]

sphery:

or its path is explicity specified in the commands

[05:06:53]

RealKillaz:

the command in th GUI is....

[05:07:07]

sphery:

iamlindoro: what's a code block in mediawiki

[05:07:13]

iamlindoro:

sphery, <pre>

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sphery:

thx

[05:07:20]

iamlindoro:

np

[05:08:36]

RealKillaz:

/usr/share/mythtv/mhythtvideo/scripts/tmdb.pl -M

[05:08:44]

RealKillaz:

that the first one

[05:08:47]

iamlindoro:

so, did you move the script to that location?

[05:08:57]

RealKillaz:

the others are the same but with -P and -D

[05:08:59]

sphery:

does it have the typo or only here?

[05:09:02]

RealKillaz:

iamlindoro: yup...

[05:09:03]

sphery:

mhythtvideo

[05:09:14]

RealKillaz:

in the same location as the imdb.pl

[05:09:17]

iamlindoro:

also need to pm in the Mythvideo perl path

[05:10:00]

iamlindoro:

and the frontend logs tell you what's going on, of course

[05:10:01]

sphery:

iamlindoro: how to you make a page that's called, say, tmdb.pl since mediawiki caps's everything?

[05:10:08]

RealKillaz:

and in the same location I have MythTV\MythVideoCommon.pm

[05:10:20]

iamlindoro:

sphery, you have to let it capitalize the first letter

[05:10:40]

sphery:

do I type in the "the title of this page is incorrect due to limitations..." or does it make it for me?

[05:10:52]

iamlindoro:

It will do it for you IIRC

[05:11:14]

iamlindoro:

the .pm doesn't go in that same dir

[05:11:25]

iamlindoro:

it goes one level up from scripts, in MythTV

[05:11:41]

iamlindoro:

so /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/MythTV/blahblah.pm

[05:12:04]

iamlindoro:

and once you do that you should be reading your frontend logs, which would likely tell you anything wrong

[05:12:12]

RealKillaz:

2009-02–25 01:11:16.348 Copying 'http://www.themoviedb.org/image/posters/557/21_v1_mid.jpg' -> '/home/mythtv/.mythtv/MythVideo/0478087.jpg'...

[05:12:12]

RealKillaz:

2009-02–25 01:11:16.348 dest_file = /home/mythtv/.mythtv/MythVideo/0478087.jpg

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RealKillaz:

so its fetching it

[05:12:18]

iamlindoro:

also, you often need to be patient while coverary shows up

[05:12:29]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tmdb.pl

[05:12:33]

iamlindoro:

it won't show up until the fetching is done, which is non-blocking

[05:12:34]

RealKillaz:

but in the Cover file: I see No Cover

[05:12:41]

sphery:

needs much work, but it's a start

[05:12:54]

iamlindoro:

Need to be more patient

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sphery:

coverary... is that a cage where they keep all the covers?

[05:13:16]

RealKillaz:

I need to be more patient?

[05:13:19]

sphery:

like an aviary?

[05:13:29]

** iamlindoro pecks and claws sphery **

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RealKillaz:

oh wait I see the problem..

[05:13:39]

RealKillaz:

it said could not write the image

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iamlindoro:

sounds like bad permissions

[05:14:00]

RealKillaz:

2009-02–25 01:11:19.504 Get: The operation has been processed succesfully.:

[05:14:00]

RealKillaz:

2009-02–25 01:11:19.510 Put: The operation has been processed but an error occurred.: Could not write

[05:14:00]

RealKillaz:

/home/mythtv/.mythtv/MythVideo/0478087.jpg

[05:14:02]

RealKillaz:

think so

[05:15:15]

RealKillaz:

the directory MyhtvVideo doesnt exist

[05:15:18]

RealKillaz:

strange

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sphery:

are you spelling it right?

[05:17:27]

sphery:

MyhtvVideo isn't right

[05:17:48]

RealKillaz:

I did a mkdir and now it's working

[05:19:52]

RealKillaz:

can this script handle batch lookups?

[05:20:01]

RealKillaz:

I have so many movies now...

[05:20:22]

RealKillaz:

fetching the info 1 by 1 is gonna take me hours

[05:21:48]

iamlindoro:

Heh, so apparently the scanner peculiarities have hit me as well

[05:21:57]

iamlindoro:

I just manually added a poopload of QAM channels

[05:22:18]

iamlindoro:

I presume it's related to the "discard the whole multiplex when one thing is marked encrypted" bug

[05:22:54]

wagnerrp:

i have noticed 'scan' would pick up a bunch of on-demand channels mythtv never would

[05:23:33]

iamlindoro:

couple good ones in there, too-- Comedy Central, Toon, TLC, discovery

[05:28:18]

RealKillaz:

where can I add bugs for this script?

[05:28:31]

RealKillaz:

I bumped into a bug

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iamlindoro:

Depends on what you think is a bug

[05:29:10]

wagnerrp:

preferably, one would NOT add bugs to mythtv

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RealKillaz:

the message is: Not an ARRAY reference at /usr/share/mythtv/myhtvvide/scripts/tmdb.pl line 142

[05:29:38]

RealKillaz:

Check VideoManager Settings

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iamlindoro:

yep, that wins for bug, is it reproduceable and do you know when and why it happens?

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iamlindoro:

then again...

[05:30:00]

RealKillaz:

I know when it happens... but why beats me.

[05:30:01]

wagnerrp:

RealKillaz: ive looked into a couple of those, i know at least one of them was when the TMDB site returned a blank cell in the xml file

[05:30:13]

wagnerrp:

the tmdb script currently has no form of error recovery

[05:30:13]

iamlindoro:

actually, you can't really lodge a bug unless it exists in trunk

[05:30:15]

iamlindoro:

so....

[05:30:22]

RealKillaz:

hmm ok

[05:30:24]

iamlindoro:

more or less, you live with it, or try to repeat it running trunk

[05:30:46]

RealKillaz:

but this is for Afro Samurai

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wagnerrp:

not some of Jackson's better work...

[05:31:43]

RealKillaz:

well I loved it..

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RealKillaz:

I reproduced it:

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RealKillaz:

I change the metadata from Afrom Samurai Movie some garbage to Afro Samurai

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RealKillaz:

after that I do a search

[05:33:01]

RealKillaz:

it gives me the error and goes back to the old metadata title

[05:33:27]

RealKillaz:

the Search gives me two options to choose

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iamlindoro:

RealKillaz, The script is really built for trunk, it sort of should work for .21, but without trying it in trunk, it's not worth lodging the bug

[05:33:51]

iamlindoro:

because it'll likely be closed invalid

[05:34:03]

RealKillaz:

ok...

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RealKillaz:

so I won't bother adding this issue

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wagnerrp:

im guessing it will be getting a bit of a rewrite once the multiple-scraper code gets added

[05:34:47]

wagnerrp:

referencing tmdb data based off its imdb code is a bit of a hack

[05:35:06]

iamlindoro:

yes, all the scripts will need reworking and the downloading code will be scrapped and replaced

[05:35:12]

iamlindoro:

(as I understand)

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RealKillaz:

at least this work for 99%

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RealKillaz:

I can get all my posters now

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wagnerrp:

i dont know about that

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wagnerrp:

ive only picked up about half the posters from my mythvideo database

[05:39:28]

wagnerrp:

of course thats up from about a quarter a few months ago

[05:47:52]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tmdb.pl is a bit better, now...

[05:48:09]

sphery:

basically usable, so I'll let others improve on it as desired

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Wicked:

hello all. i have a avi movie that came with a subtitle file (srt file)...do i need to do anything more then place them both in the same directory and mythtvideo will take care of the rest?

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iamlindoro:

Assuming they are identically named, yes. "T" to activate the subtitles when playing

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Wicked:

ah ok awesome...i never have used a subtitle file before. was not sure if i had to do anything special.

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Wicked:

thanks iamlindoro :)

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linnux:

Whats the best video card to output HDMI from your computer to HDTV display?

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iamlindoro:

There is no "best", there are hundreds of cards that would do that

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linnux:

well the ones that would give me the best display, if you have any recommendations?

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Wicked:

anything nvidia id say

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iamlindoro:

It's a digital display, picture quality would be identical

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iamlindoro:

bits are bits

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iamlindoro:

nvidia, ATI, intel, any of tehm will work

[06:02:32]

linnux:

one that works great in linux as well

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wagnerrp:

but are they chocolate bits? or vanilla bits?

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iamlindoro:

All of them work in linux, are you not listening?

[06:02:56]

iamlindoro:

ATI. nVidia. Intel.

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iamlindoro:

whichever

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LedHed:

My mythweather is unable to find my zipcode or town (or any town). I read that squid can cause this problem (which I have running on my firewall box). What can I do to squid to make mythweather/news work?

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justinh:

LedHed: whatever you'd have to do to get web browsing to work on that box I'd expect

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LedHed:

justinh, I shouldnt have to do anything, Squid is setup to transparent proxy

[07:20:18]

LedHed:

all my other PC's browse the web just fine without any additional configuration

[07:20:18]

justinh:

so maybe squid isn't the real problem

[07:20:22]

justinh:

look in the log output

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justinh:

mythfrontend log output

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LedHed:

justinh, If I disable squid then Mythweather works

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justinh:

linux wall wart pulls 5 watts – could make great master backend. Yuh. Right. IF it can also run mysql. STUPID idiots

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justinh:

hmmm 512MB RAM eh... maybe not so useless after all

[07:25:35]

wagnerrp:

or had the capacity for more than 256MB of disk

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wagnerrp:

all hard drives MUST be USB

[07:26:17]

LedHed:

the NVidia ION looks promising as a Frontend

[07:26:49]

LedHed:

so small you could stick it to the back of a Flat Panel TV and you would never see it.

[07:27:18]

wagnerrp:

well you can do that with a minimac

[07:27:27]

justinh:

if those USB monitors could be used in linux, you could make a nifty home control panel for $cheap with one of those wallwart efforts

[07:27:47]

LedHed:

I dont think the Mini can handle 1080p

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justinh:

wagnerrp: apart from not having any viddypow

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wagnerrp:

the ION is only needed if you care for HDPVR or BluRay playback

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justinh:

1080p WHAT

[07:28:13]

justinh:

muhh 1080 peee

[07:28:13]

RyeBrye:

1080p ninjas

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wagnerrp:

justinh: turning into will wright now?

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justinh:

who?

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wagnerrp:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/5/27/

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justinh:

I see this talk of 720 pee and 1080 pee everywhere. very few people seem to be clued up enough to know it's not the resolution which gives decoders a headache

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justinh:

720P? 720P WHAT?! mpeg2? mpeg1? Video For Windows 1 ?

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justinh:

rucking fetards

[07:31:16]

wagnerrp:

raw? huffman? indeo?...

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LedHed:

how do you export mythfrontend to run on display 0?

[07:32:01]

justinh:

same way you export anything else to run on display 0

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LedHed:

right

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justinh:

export DISPLAY=:0

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wagnerrp:

'export DISPLAY=0'

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wagnerrp:

yeah, : needed

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justinh:

or IIRC, mythfrontend DISPLAY=:0

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LedHed:

I did: export DISPLAY=:0 mythfrontend -v all

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LedHed:

it didnt work.

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wagnerrp:

or... 'DISPLAY=:0 mythfrontend'

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justinh:

wagnerrp: heh that'd be it

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LedHed:

thanks

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justinh:

maybe you needed a newline in there led

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LedHed:

DISPLAY=:0 mythfrontend -v all worked

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LedHed:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

export sets an environmental variable, doing it inline sets it only for that specific command

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wagnerrp:

and both of those functions are only bourne

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wagnerrp:

well i just finished cleaning out my keyboard, that was a vile process

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justinh:

ugh. my vnc session looks like a realmedia movie

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LedHed:

no errors in the logs when setting up mythweather

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wagnerrp:

loaded with popups and crapware? while unable to be closed?

[07:38:49]

LedHed:

the search for location just returns 0 results

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justinh:

wagnerrp: no, like a realmedia file, not hte player :P

[07:42:36]

** justinh wonders where the hell the IT dept are with getting his machine some PC133 RAM. really sick of moving the mouse & watching the box swapping now **

[07:43:32]

** wagnerrp wonders what the hell youre needing with PC133 **

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wagnerrp:

sounds like youre trying to be clever with something...

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justinh:

256MB RAM, Duron 900Mhz CPU... they think well of us technicians you know :P

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wagnerrp:

can you even buy PC133 anymore?

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LedHed:

Damn, thats like 8 years old

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justinh:

dunno. if that means I have to have a new machine, so be it

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justinh:

in this company people get lumbered with hardware as long as it keeps working

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LedHed:

squirtgun can fix that

[07:49:58]

justinh:

that might be seen as detrimental to my employment here

[07:50:29]

wagnerrp:

save up your laundry lint

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LedHed:

they wont know. Just a quick squirt before you go home for the night.

[07:50:44]

justinh:

it's been over 2 years since it was last PAT tested too

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wagnerrp:

no one can blame you if your computer overheats and starts smoking

[07:51:05]

justinh:

and they _still_ build machines from scratch for everybody

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LedHed:

hell the outdated junk in my office is more current than a Duron 900

[07:52:04]

justinh:

it's not even got enough power for email & web browsing let alone autocad & acrobat

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LedHed:

justinh, you do CAD?

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justinh:

among other things

[07:52:30]

LedHed:

me too

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wagnerrp:

you do CAD on a old Duron?

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justinh:

it's only simple cable drawings

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LedHed:

If its a Duron 900 runningn Win2k and Autocad 14 its doable

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justinh:

not if I have outlook open :(

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LedHed:

LOL

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justinh:

the AV solution slows things down a lot too

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LedHed:

what AV? Symantec

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justinh:

McAfee

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LedHed:

almost as bad

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LedHed:

I like Nod32. Its quite good and very lightweight

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justinh:

nod32 didn't stop my home desktop being riddled

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justinh:

so off it came

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justinh:

money down the drain again

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LedHed:

really? I've been running nod for 4 years and have never had an infection

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justinh:

so now my windows box mostly has no AV protection & no firewall

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wagnerrp:

ive run that way for years

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justinh:

don't run compromised software, don't visit dodgy websites.. mostly all ok :)

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wagnerrp:

ive got a home firewall, little more than a NAT box

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wagnerrp:

but no local firewall

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LedHed:

Thats how I run with Nod, maybe thats why no infections

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justinh:

no keygen.exe :P

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LedHed:

lol

[07:56:43]

LedHed:

nope

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justinh:

people I know are always getting got by that

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wagnerrp:

are you saying i shouldnt have my pron and warez

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LedHed:

xnxx.com

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LedHed:

nothing to download

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justinh:

they want to convert a video to ipod format or something so they download some warez

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justinh:

open the keygen. whoops

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LedHed:

just one more reason not to have an ipod

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LedHed:

:)

[07:58:11]

justinh:

if I want to convert a video, ffmpeg -i $file blah blah blah

[07:59:44]

justinh:

actually I've had this machine since I joined the company. it was alright til they changed AV software

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LedHed:

anyone here know what sites mythweather fetch data from?

[08:02:28]

wagnerrp:

its listed per script

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justinh:

I don't miss mythweather one bit

[08:03:01]

LedHed:

I'll look through the scripts.

[08:04:03]

LedHed:

I ride a lot, so knowing if its gonna rain when I wake up is nice. Saves me from having to watch Al Roker every morning

[08:04:11]

justinh:

when we've got a way of displaying status info on menu screens etc I might look at making a weather gadget for that

[08:04:34]

justinh:

if you ride a lot I don't expect rain would bother you that much :P

[08:05:09]

justinh:

I used to care more about the weather til we got a dog. but now, when the dog needs to go for a crap, it doesn't matter what the weather is doing

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LedHed:

Being wet at work sux

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wagnerrp:

no one wants to ride in the rain...

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justinh:

I never minded it

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wagnerrp:

rain becomes painful at higher speeds, wheels get slick...

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LedHed:

Not to mention its near impossible to see through the windscreen

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justinh:

living where I live you can't not just get on with rain

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justinh:

'sunny' Manchester

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justinh:

2nd highest rainfall in the UK apparently. Effing miserable

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LedHed:

Motorcycles arent all that stable in the rain

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justinh:

oh MOTOR biking

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LedHed:

ya

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justinh:

pfft

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wagnerrp:

he did say 'ride', rather than 'pedal furiously'

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LedHed:

lol

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LedHed:

Ride as apposed to Cycle

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LedHed:

I let the machine do all the work

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justinh:

nobody in the UK says cycling

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wagnerrp:

cycling in the rain is not much fun either

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LedHed:

agreed

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justinh:

unless they're a ponce. that's just the way we are

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wagnerrp:

i biked through southern germany for two weeks

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justinh:

so bike/biking could mean powered or unpowered :)

[08:10:09]

wagnerrp:

it rained for two weeks... straight

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LedHed:

so you have professional bike riders not cyclists

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justinh:

depends where you live I think

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justinh:

up north it's just bike/bike

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LedHed:

ahh

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LedHed:

I havent ridden a bycicle in a long time

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wagnerrp:

been about 10 years for me

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justinh:

cycling in the rain is fun

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justinh:

can't avoid it where I live anyway, so...

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wagnerrp:

about the same time i biked for two weeks through germany... in the rain... for two weeks

[08:12:08]

wagnerrp:

i swear, five weeks over there, and the ONLY time it rains is the two weeks with bikes

[08:12:37]

justinh:

guess it's different if you're doing it just for leisure rather than to get to work or something

[08:12:48]

justinh:

then it could be a pain

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wagnerrp:

i think if i were doing it to get to work

[08:13:23]

wagnerrp:

i would swap out food for ramen and gas

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wagnerrp:

for those rainy days anyway

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wagnerrp:

i remember taking the bus from school was bad enough on rainy days

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justinh:

went to Cornwall on holiday last year. It rained, and it rained. my wife & I bought waterproofs & just revelled in it. Her folks, sister & brother stayed in the cabin being miserable :P

[08:19:43]

wagnerrp:

i enjoy the rain, its nice and calming... so long as im inside

[08:20:51]

justinh:

we complain too much about the weather here in the UK. which is ironic cos there's bugger all anybody can do about it

[08:21:04]

justinh:

nation of whiners :P

[08:21:26]

LedHed:

is mythweather data stored in the backend database?

[08:21:47]

justinh:

go on holiday somewhere warmer... OOOooo isn't it hot? Oo no, it's way too hot for me. Eesh! this heat! Unbelievable!

[08:21:47]

wagnerrp:

LedHed: the settings are, the data is not

[08:22:02]

LedHed:

humm

[08:22:20]

wagnerrp:

data is access locally and individually on each frontend

[08:22:24]

wagnerrp:

it does not get shared

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LedHed:

it seems that if I disable squid, I'm able to search a location. Then if I re-enable squid mythweather can get the data

[08:22:37]

justinh:

cached in xml format I think

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LedHed:

oh

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LedHed:

brb

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wagnerrp:

seems something on my desktop isnt happy... the monitors wont turn off

[08:26:49]

wagnerrp:

power buttons it is!

[08:27:39]

justinh:

witchcraft!

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LedHed:

looks like the weather data can be retreived, but the location search script has issues with squid

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justinh:

ouch. way over 200 quid for a popcorn hour box

[08:46:29]

justinh:

arghhh! useless B's... 'up to ten eighty pee'

[08:46:36]

justinh:

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

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LedHed:

you lost me

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justinh:

http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=177495

[08:47:23]

justinh:

actually the sales forum said it was more than that

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tank-man:

WD has a similar player to popcorn hour

[08:48:01]

tank-man:

wdtv

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tank-man:

about 100 usd

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justinh:

the list of formats it supports is exhaustive but.. can it play all those formats at X bitrate & resolution?

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tank-man:

but no ethernet but i think usb->net works with modified fw

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justinh:

ahhh. Finally found "The Popcorn Hour A-110 supports the latest high bitrate video formats (MPEG2 MP@HL, H.264 HP@L4.1, VC-1 AP@L3 in TS of at least 40Mbps) to give you up to 1080p high-definition videos"

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gbee:

justinh: has hardware decoding, no?

[08:49:20]

justinh:

so that's pretty good :)

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LedHed:

looks cool

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gbee:

prefer something I can stick mythfrontend on

[08:50:16]

justinh:

yeah I bet the UI sucks

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tank-man:

wdtv http://www.itreviews.co.uk/hardware/h1795.htm

[08:51:45]

justinh:

yes, the UI does indeed suck. Oh well:)

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justinh:

oh wait. seems that box can have webpages squirted onto it to enhance its UI features somewhat

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justinh:

less sucky... http://code.google.com/p/moviejukebox/wiki/MovieJukebox

[09:00:06]

tank-man:

squirted, where'd you get that kind of language

[09:00:10]

tank-man:

zune user?

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justinh:

ruh? wtf is a zune?

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justinh:

gbee: btw I find that inkscape can align text better after it's been converted to shapes for some reason

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tank-man:

zune is a MS music player to compete with ipod and terminology made up by MS used to describe sending data to the zune as "squirt"

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justinh:

pffft

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justinh:

no doubt they've trademarked the word, like they did with Windows

[09:02:54]

justinh:

I guess it fits in with file transfer terminology in the rest of their OS though. Trickle, being a word that often springs to mind

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waxhead_:

I've lost the OSD for live TV... i'm sure I've changed a setting... but which one??? :)

[09:07:36]

justinh:

that's nature's way of telling you that you should only be watching scheduled recordings

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LedHed:

waxhead_, appearance

[09:08:01]

waxhead_:

:)

[09:08:43]

justinh:

and er... being sure you've changed a setting but which one... seriously... that doesn't fill me with confidence that somebody knows what they're doing

[09:08:43]

waxhead_:

OK, I'll see if I can find it...

[09:09:09]

waxhead_:

have to wait for farmer want's a wife to finsihs...

[09:09:14]

waxhead_:

house is full of chicks

[09:09:15]

tank-man:

yea if you don't know what you changed, obviously we know

[09:09:20]

justinh:

more people should spend time walking through the menus to get familiar with where things live

[09:09:34]

waxhead_:

been walking through the menus...

[09:09:47]

justinh:

try doing it with your eyes open in future :P

[09:09:53]

waxhead_:

tank-man: lame attitude is just that...

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waxhead_:

can help I spose... :-/

[09:10:13]

tank-man:

well im just stating the logic

[09:10:31]

waxhead_:

tank-man: no you're not, you're statement smacks of "dick wad"

[09:11:06]

justinh:

hey, I was just sitting here pressing random buttons on the remote i use with mythtv for the last hour, and now nothing works. what's up with that? The TV wasn't even switched on

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LedHed:

OMG, seriously

[09:12:12]

LedHed:

He could have worded it a bit better, but essentially he asked, what/where is the setting that controls OSD

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waxhead_:

no.. it's a sideways swipe at the 'general' content of the questions asked at times... :)

[09:12:48]

justinh:

at times? all the time

[09:13:05]

waxhead_:

not from me all the time though... :-p

[09:13:33]

** LedHed remembers his dad telling him not to open his mouth unless he has something positive to say **

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tank-man:

"hey guys, i'm not telling you what I did and i'm not looking at the logs, can you guys solve my problems?" ... thats how I read what you said

[09:13:58]

waxhead_:

besides, I'm sure justinh is a masochist... why else hang out where you get the chance to work on being so jaded... :)

[09:14:07]

LedHed:

tank-man, thats because you were picked on in High School

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waxhead_:

tank-man: then open your eyes

[09:14:45]

waxhead_:

tank-man: you sure you aren't a chick.. that's what chicks say when they don't hear what they want when you argue with them...

[09:14:54]

waxhead_:

all chicks in the channel excluded of course.. :)

[09:14:57]

tank-man:

well i dont know the solution to your problem so thats the end of my input

[09:14:57]

justinh:

chicks. lol

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LedHed:

next we will see a link to the infamous "The right way to ask questions"

[09:15:16]

pheld:

is 180.35 messing with qt (QProcess)?

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justinh:

180.35? what? nvidia driver?

[09:15:39]

pheld:

yes

[09:15:46]

justinh:

then say that. not just a number

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waxhead_:

tank-man: then don't pipe up with stupid comments until you earn the right... like justinh has!

[09:16:30]

justinh:

this is another one of those times I wish I'd never relinquished ops

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tank-man:

not just a number lol, "what OS are you using?" "Im using 8.10" :)

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pheld:

sorry, assumed there were so many vdpau-hungry techheads around here than anything numbered 180.somthing would ring a bell

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LedHed:

waxhead_, the OSD settings are under TV Settings -> Playback OSD

[09:18:15]

LedHed:

I just thought thats how justinh spoke

[09:18:55]

waxhead_:

nah, my bet is he's a pathological nice guy, but uses IRC to act out his inner butt head.. :)

[09:19:19]

waxhead_:

LedHed: I was looking in there.. must have missed the setting...

[09:19:26]

LedHed:

waxhead_, no he has a nack for it. He uses it outside of IRC

[09:19:41]

waxhead_:

I'm not allowed to do anything at the moment.. the chicks rule the screen... :(

[09:19:50]

** justinh asks the grownups around him when they stopped calling women 'chicks' **

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LedHed:

what?

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waxhead_:

classic "dumb male's toy doesn't work"....

[09:19:58]

LedHed:

Are the chicks Naked?

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LedHed:

if the chicks arent naked, then they dont get the remote!

[09:20:17]

waxhead_:

nope...

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LedHed:

at least thats how it is in my house, sadly I always seem to have the remote

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waxhead_:

the WAF is low at times...

[09:21:20]

justinh:

hey look, don't come running whining to me when some setting you changed stopped things working. If you go changing stuff without paying attention it's your own stupid fault

[09:21:21]

waxhead_:

too many remotes...

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LedHed:

justinh, what was that for?

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waxhead_:

LedHed: he's coming in late on the issue... :)

[09:22:33]

** LedHed thinks justinh takes it upon himself to read each question presented in IRC. **

[09:22:51]

justinh:

fscking trolls

[09:22:57]

LedHed:

lol

[09:23:08]

LedHed:

I mean no disrespect justinh

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pheld:

anyway, nv180.35 seems to mess with signals and process-handling somehow. mythfrontend fails to execute cdrecord to scan for devices while it works from the commandline. and mythfrontend can no longer be aborted with ctrl-c/z from the terminal. kill -9 <pid> works though. the frontend loads the background image but it takes 3–4 min to load the main menu

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LedHed:

the whiners just typically whine to everyone not you specifically

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justinh:

how can a video driver do that?

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waxhead_:

but it's really good fun when they do whine at justinh, he takes it so well... :)

[09:24:58]

LedHed:

nahh, they deserve what they get if they are stupid enough to direct it at him specifically

[09:25:27]

LedHed:

night all, and thanks justinh for the help

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waxhead_:

night Led-Hed

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pheld:

justinh: don't know yet. Maybe it's a combination of the new kernel module and my 2.6.29-rc kernel. just guessing at this stage

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justinh:

and downgrading to an earlier driver does what?

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pheld:

180.29 works

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pheld:

there are comments from others on nvforums about the signal issue already

[09:28:37]

justinh:

so you're basically saying you already know that the driver is the problem and are asking if anybody else has seen it because?

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tank-man:

what do you mean signal issue?

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grung0r:

I'm having a problem with my remote stalling. it will refuse to work for a few seconds to serveral minutes, and then it will execute the first command I sent.

[09:30:43]

pheld:

I'm asking here because mplayer and myth-developers/users usually are among the first to notice. no need to reinvent the wheel if someone already solved it

[09:31:11]

Dibblah:

grung0r: Is this specifically Myth?

[09:31:38]

Dibblah:

There's a report in Trac of that issue.

[09:32:43]

pheld:

tank-man: QProcess and signalling between processes seem affected, and signalling from the terminal to a program linked with vdpau is blocked.

[09:33:31]

grung0r:

I've assume it's myth. if you're asking if it's linked to lirc, I don't think it is. it only happens in tv playback. not in the frontend ui, nor in video playback

[09:34:20]

Dibblah:

""Beginning with driver version 180.35, VDPAU now supports VC-1/WMV acceleration on all GPUs that VDPAU supports.""

[09:34:30]

Dibblah:

Trunk or 0.21-fixes?

[09:35:11]

grung0r:

0.21-fixes

[09:36:42]

Dibblah:

That's interesting. What changed to start it?

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grung0r:

I reinstalled. the only difference in the box was the it used ide instead of sata(I know that sounds backwords, but that's how it is)

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grung0r:

I used the latest stable though, so the software changed as well

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grung0r:

no ideas then?

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tank-man:

maybe more than one instance of irexec running?

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grung0r:

no, it dosen't look like it. good guess though

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justinh:

that should be an autoban

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waxhead_:

I figured out the problem of the missing OSD of EPG and icons...

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waxhead_:

when I did a rescan and setup the channels again, it blew away the config...

[10:31:06]

waxhead_:

hopefully the problem is now solved...

[10:33:21]

waxhead_:

ok.. so icons are back...

[10:33:31]

waxhead_:

must have to do a mythfilldatabase....

[10:39:57]

justinh:

oh for crying out loud

[10:40:08]

justinh:

Dave+1 to be known as 'Dave Ja Vu'

[10:40:40]

gbee:

shouldn't it be called 'Dave Ja Vu, all over again'?

[10:40:43]

** justinh sets up a cron job to randomise channel names & numbers juuuuuuuuuust for the hell of it **

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justinh:

this channel rebranding/renumbering all seems very knee-jerky to me

[10:42:42]

justinh:

in other rebranding news, UKTV HIstory will be known as 'yesterday' from Monday

[10:42:45]

justinh:

lol

[10:42:52]

justinh:

this is getting beyond stupid now

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ivor:

justinh: something along the same lines as flogging a dead horse.....

[10:50:47]

justinh:

yeah but it's not as if just the name is changing necessarily is it? they could end up with new serviceids

[10:52:02]

justinh:

hell they could turn the channel name into a scrolling text display for all I care if I don't need to rescan & feck about :)

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justinh:

oh dear. I just found a rather serious bug

[11:11:35]

justinh:

product related, not mythtv :)

[11:12:23]

justinh:

want to stop model X of CCTV DVR recording? ftp some files to it

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gbee:

justinh: thanks for that, makes my life of robbing banks much easier :)

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

it's getting busy here.. won't have time to do any 'foreigners'

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squish102:

whooooo, mythtv.org looks nice..... what a surprise when i wandered over there!

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gbee:

justinh: I'll need the auto sizing/positioning stuff if I'm going to make this work – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/filmstrip2.png

[12:46:47]

justinh:

no doubt. there's a lot that could benefit from it

[12:47:26]

justinh:

I had a little play with it for half an hour last night but I'm still none the wiser about what's going wrong

[12:47:52]

gbee:

guess I'll make time for it later this week

[12:48:28]

justinh:

I hate giving up on stuff but I'm really lost with it

[12:49:05]

gbee:

just done the xml for that screen, but it looks terrible with the group list not autosizing

[12:49:19]

justinh:

once the collapsearea thing is sorted I don't expect there'd be much of a problem doing the rest of it

[12:51:41]

gbee:

screen calls for a couple of other new features, so I'll have to get those done too

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justinh:

I held off changing the button position calculations & visible item calculations until I managed to pull out the correct button widths. those are small beans really anyway

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justinh:

so, find out why collapsearea isn't working – whether it's just a code misunderstanding or actually that the setarea thing in mythuitext.cpp causing the issue.. then everything else will be pretty much straightforward

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justinh:

it's probably something dead easy gbee, you know what I'm like

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justinh:

I might make things easier/clearer if I pull out the existing hacks for the selected items since the other stuff will do the same job more or less

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justinh:

they'd likely have to come out anyway in other words

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mzb_d800:

can anyone suggest why the dvix avi's I've encoded play ~20% with mplayer but 100% in xine?

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justinh:

ask in #xine ? ;)

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justinh:

or better yet just use Internal

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mzb_d800:

this is for my music video playlist (shuffled)

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mzb_d800:

mind you, I've not got audio connected atm, so I'm assuming playback under mplayer is OK by sight alone ;)

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justinh:

why divx anyway?

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mzb_d800:

that's what popped out the other end ... xvid wasn't available iirc

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justinh:

had great results in h.264 with aac audio out of handbrake

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mzb_d800:

reduced 200–300MB files down to (say) 30MB @512/384. They look nasty, but they're not for me ;)

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justinh:

yikes

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mzb_d800:

hmm, handbrake doesn't help me ... converted >400 videos mostly with script (including autocrop & scale)

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mzb_d800:

audio is original

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mzb_d800:

some of them don't look half bad

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mzb_d800:

ah well, I'll tell him mplayer playback or get a bigger hard drive ;) (he's teetering on the edge of the decision precipice;))

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Stelios_Cyprus:

hi there...i'm trying to setup mythtv my tv card is found fine and in my country(Cyprus) we use PAL but my country is not included in the list so i tried different countries but when i scan for channels i get only 4–5 encoded channels that they need a subscription and a decoder to work and none of my cable channels.....any suggestions?

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mzb_d800:

justinh: this is the "other" M10K btw, now with dual tuner and suspend/resume

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mzb_d800:

currently 250GB hdd

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mzb_d800:

also replaced the fans with ceramic bearing ones (Ceramica)

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justinh:

hey, you could be using your m10k as a doorstop for all I'm concerned ;)

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mzb_d800:

:)

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mzb_d800:

not mine

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mzb_d800:

makes me think if I'd used ffmpeg for the conversions I probably wouldn't be in this boat

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mzb_d800:

ah well

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justinh:

uncrippled ffmpeg. y'know the one that supports useful codecs

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mzb_d800:

I suspect that's my problem right there (debian + xine)

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mzb_d800:

although xine is from debian-multimedia, iirc

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mzb_d800:

gawd, 0.99.5+cvs20070914–2.1

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justinh:

oldicles

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mzb_d800:

hmm, that's odd. Just noticed the time in mythwelcome is wrong (2 hrs fast)

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mzb_d800:

sigh ... another thing for the long list of "slight adjustments"

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Stelios_Cyprus:

no solution ?

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mzb_d800:

scan manually and add using channels.conf

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mzb_d800:

stuff it. Time for sleep. gnite all

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justinh:

should be using EasyMythTV :P

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asdas:

where do i get a channels.conf from?

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asdas:

scan /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-t/de-Koeln-Bonn > channels.conf doesnt work

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justinh:

you have to ask why that isn't working

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justinh:

what does scan actually say when you do that?

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asdas:

tuning failed

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justinh:

is mythbackend running?

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asdas:

yes

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justinh:

if tuning fails when nothing else is using the tuner device, that would indicate it's not working

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justinh:

so stop mythbackend & you'll be able to use scan

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asdas:

k

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asdas:

thx

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justinh:

though you should really be using the scanner in mythtv-setup

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justinh:

importing a channels.conf file should be the very last resort

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gbee:

and should only happen after you've submitted a thorough bug report

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iamlindoro:

and booze

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gbee:

are their standard images for stereo/mono etc?

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iamlindoro:

I'm not familiar with any

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gbee:

if I go down the path of using industry standard logos for avc/HD/Dolby 5.1, then I'd like to do the same for all the audio/video/subtitle icons

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jams:

don't know of a standard one, but I see < L R > alot

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gbee:

seen these before – http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Multi-channel_sound

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gbee:

but I'm not sure if that's just because either iamlindoro or justinh have used them in a theme

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iamlindoro:

I used the concept but did them on a circle, but yeah, based on those

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iamlindoro:

Heh, some of those are scary confusing

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iamlindoro:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:7_1_ch . . . S)_label.png

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jams:

can't see i have used that as an indication of supported sounds. just how to layout speakers, or maybe what my amp is currently doing.

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iamlindoro:

looks like an extremely ill considered football play

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gbee:

can't help picturing myself trapped inside a room by walls of speakers

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gbee:

ok, looks like I'll have to invent new ones or at least go along with those wikimedia ones

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janneg:

list #mythtv-user

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janneg:

sorry, wrong window

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Dibblah:

http://www.vertigoswirl.com/LPlblnonUK/6360017Dlbl.jpg

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Dibblah:

That's the only one I've seen for stereo.

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iamlindoro:

There's some other ones that were used way back in the vinyl days for "stereophonic," but they'd likely be useless for anything but a retro theme :)

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Pitr23:

How can you find out which codecs a specific program uses (on windows) ? :)

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Pitr23:

I have opened the avi in question with graphedit, and saw at least ffdshow there..

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wagnerrp:

so open ffdshow, and see what codec it has listed in 'info'

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strex:

Please help, Unable to reslove 'LABEL=/storage' on boot..

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wagnerrp:

strex: what are you talking about?

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strex:

my myth backend box won't boot.

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strex:

fsck.ext3 can't resolve label-/storage

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wagnerrp:

Pitr23: considering you are in here, you obviously have a machine running linux

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wagnerrp:

'mplayer -identify' or 'ffmpeg -i' will work wonders

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Pitr23:

wagnerrp: yes.. why ? :)

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Pitr23:

ah no.. I'm working on a windows machine

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Pitr23:

the issue is, this single program (not mythtv) is not using ffdshow for this file.. all other programs are

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Pitr23:

It's not mythtv-related, but you might have encountered the same issue :)

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Pitr23:

(I need ffdshow for subtitle support)

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wagnerrp:

ffdshow supports subtitles? i had always used dvobsub for that

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Pitr23:

ffdshow has better support for prettier subtitles, out of the box, imho

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wagnerrp:

strex: what distro do you use?

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strex:

mythdora

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wagnerrp:

then either go get help from the mythdora maintainer, or the fedora devs

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strex:

wagnerrp: I figured it out..

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strex:

wagnerrp: cable came loose. :-p

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** J-e-f-f-A|work cheers as his Asus 8400GS Silent just arrived from NewEgg... ;-) (although he can't test it until he's home tonight!) **

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wagnerrp:

i thought those were sold out

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

... and that heatsink is nowhere near as big as it appeared in one of those pics...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: If they are, then I got in before they were... Ordered it on Friday IIRC...

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wagnerrp:

i think its pretty big

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wagnerrp:

its definitely very solid

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

... I mean, the hatsink is big, but doesn't block the next slot.

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wagnerrp:

its not tall

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wagnerrp:

but it is large and heavy

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

I'll still have a fan in the system, but a large one running at a slow speed for very minimal noise...

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dustybin:

120mm fans ftw

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dustybin:

i got 2 in my backend

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dustybin:

unaudible

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wagnerrp:

i need to replace the one in my power supply

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wagnerrp:

its the only audible one in my frontend

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dustybin:

my seagate PSU also has a unaudible 120mm

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dustybin:

*seasonic

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wagnerrp:

im running an old 250W PSU, from times back before they cared about noise

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psicobra:

hi guys i know my aerial isn't great so i am not getting all the channels from an automatic scan so i want to add them manually but where do i get the info from to fill in all the boxes?

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: its about time you dug into your pocket and upgraded :P

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wagnerrp:

i bored out the mounting holes, and mounted the PSU on silicon gromits

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wagnerrp:

it helped considerably, but because of the way the room is set up, any noise is heavily amplified

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dustybin:

nice

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wagnerrp:

psicobra: you use an automatic scan

[18:38:14]

wagnerrp:

there is nowhere you can get the info to manually set up a digital lineup

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wagnerrp:

beyond the frequency, you also need the PID

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psicobra:

i tried that it's getting a lot of the channels but not all i want to try manual to see if i can get them

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wagnerrp:

i dont know any source of that data

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psicobra:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

you can try the dvb-tools scanner, rather than the mythtv one

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wagnerrp:

but i doubt it will give you any more

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psicobra:

ok while i am here any one know how i can view encrypted channels topuptv?

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wagnerrp:

you cannot

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psicobra:

no way at all

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wagnerrp:

mythtv (and everything except vista MCE) has no way of accessing encrypted channels

[18:40:37]

justinh:

wagnerrp: crap

[18:40:40]

wagnerrp:

you need a cablecard tuner

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wagnerrp:

in the US anyways

[18:40:48]

justinh:

yes you can get TUTV into mythtv

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psicobra:

justinh, how?

[18:41:11]

justinh:

you need a dvb-t tuner card with a CI slot and a CAM for SECA2

[18:41:12]

wagnerrp:

i have no idea what tutv or topuptv is...

[18:41:25]

justinh:

and also a tutv viewing card of course

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wagnerrp:

oh... blueyonder

[18:41:49]

justinh:

topuptv (tutv) is a worthless pay tv system delivered by DVB-T in the UK

[18:41:49]

wagnerrp:

yeah, you guys over there can access encrypted channels with mythtv

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psicobra:

my card doesnt have a slot i read somewhere about a software CAM

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justinh:

you can't talk about those here

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justinh:

hardware CAMs only

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justinh:

fwiw, it's not worth going to the trouble of getting TUTV anyway

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justinh:

I mean have you seen the channels they provide? jees

[18:43:17]

psicobra:

uktvgold

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justinh:

!trout psicobra uninvited-MSG

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** MythLogBot slaps psicobra with a uninvited-MSG trout on behalf of justinh... **

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Dagmar:

The only private messages that should be taking place here will start with "What are you wearing?"

[18:44:02]

iamlindoro:

someone just asked about naughty things via PM...

[18:44:41]

psicobra:

well i was saving the what are you wearing for later

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psicobra:

was trying smooth talking first

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Dagmar:

hehe

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Dagmar:

You'll go far here. :)

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justinh:

you can't talk about software decryption anywhere overground on the internet. The places I know of are invite only. Forums etc tend to lie low because of the legal ramifications

[18:45:43]

** wagnerrp puts on wizard hat and cape **

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justinh:

I heard late last year of one forum being closed down & its operators being imprisoned for providing information on pay tv hacking. neat eh

[18:46:39]

psicobra:

ok so now on to the what are you wearing thing

[18:47:15]

psicobra:

well some one told me about a dvt-c card witch i belive is illegal in the UK

[18:47:26]

Dagmar:

Basically, the only way that's happening is if you're actually an OEM looking to licence things on a "trusted" computing platform, which Linux isn't.

[18:47:33]

iamlindoro:

An orange jumpsuit with "federal penitentiary" printed on the back

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iamlindoro:

it's hot

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Dagmar:

There's too much money involved for lawyers to not jump up and down on the grave of Mother Theresa based on a rumor that she once thought about software decryption during a crisis of faith.

[18:48:11]

justinh:

psicobra: not illegal. used to be explicitly forbidden by cable company T&Cs but it seems it isn't any more

[18:48:20]

psicobra:

and that it could be used to watch cable through i have cable here any ways and it wold be nice to use pc so i can pause and record but that would envolve software decryption right?

[18:48:34]

Dagmar:

Not if you simply used an STB.

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justinh:

no, apparently the channels in the most basic package are uncrippled

[18:48:48]

psicobra:

as for the orange jump suits drool

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** psicobra starts 1 handed typing **

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Dagmar:

If you use an STB the problem goes away, so long as the FCC doesn't let those f**kers talk them into closing the analog "hole"

[18:49:29]

justinh:

there's FA on cable worth paying for either IMHO. we used to pay for Sly etc but realised we were only watching Mythbusters

[18:49:55]

Dagmar:

justinh: Yeah, the FCC talked about a la carte pricing but the cable companies here basically refused

[18:50:04]

justinh:

a few months' subs buys a few DVD box sets

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psicobra:

i have medium pacTB?kage wh

[18:50:07]

Dagmar:

Otherwise I'd have Basic Cable plus CNN, BBCA, and Sci-Fi

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psicobra:

lol yeah mythbusters kicks ass

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justinh:

*used to

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Dagmar:

STB is Set Top Box

[18:50:58]

justinh:

but hey, on Discovery in the UK they mix all the editions up

[18:51:01]

psicobra:

sky one can be good

[18:51:28]

Dagmar:

I.e., get a cable box, use an IR blaster or firewire to change channels, and bring the audio/video into the PC over s-video or component output (with an HD-PVR)

[18:51:59]

justinh:

Dagmar: with a virgin media STB, you never know what you're gonna get. I was having to restart mine every few days

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psicobra:

i have cable box and ir blaster

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justinh:

there's no 'cancel' button for the OSD either, so sometimes it gets stuck on

[18:52:32]

psicobra:

but how do i get from v+ box to tv card and wold it be a ball ache

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Dagmar:

That part is trivial

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justinh:

you have v+ already?

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Dagmar:

The set top box has s-video or component or composite output, right?

[18:53:13]

psicobra:

i hve a v+ box but when i downgraded my package they turned off the v+ facilitys

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justinh:

RGB & composite. no svideo AFAIK

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psicobra:

!trout psicobra

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** MythLogBot slaps psicobra with a trout on behalf of psicobra... **

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justinh:

oops.. RGB _OR_ composite over the main output

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psicobra:

muhahahahah

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justinh:

composite only on the VCR output

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psicobra:

kinky

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psicobra:

bout the sound

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Dagmar:

What about it

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justinh:

the sound is stereo on both SCART sockets

[18:54:46]

psicobra:

my tv crd has no scart in

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psicobra:

is cheap

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justinh:

no tv tuner card has scart inputs

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justinh:

so you're bound to using a SCART to $whatever cable innit

[18:55:19]

psicobra:

i thought i had seen external onw with scart socket

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justinh:

those meeja pee sees you can buy ready made sometimes have scart sockets wired up

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justinh:

but no PCI or USB device you can buy has SCART

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justinh:

it's too wide to fit on a standard bracket for one thing :P

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psicobra:

well either way i really should just get a better aerial and chimney mount instead of loft mounted but this house is rented

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justinh:

when I rented a place I tried getting the landlord to do something about the aerial feed

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justinh:

I gave up after about 8 months of hassling

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psicobra:

how easy is it to setup a second tuner on mythtv cause i have a usb dvb-t card to

[18:58:23]

psicobra:

*too

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iamlindoro:

just as easy or hard as the first

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psicobra:

first was easy

[18:59:23]

psicobra:

my card was recognised straight away

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psicobra:

is a huppaguagageguuaaggee card

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justinh:

depends whether or not your tuner just works out of the box

[18:59:57]

psicobra:

never can spell that

[19:00:03]

justinh:

Hauppauge

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psicobra:

yeah the other one does as well i think

[19:00:29]

justinh:

the only thing you have to be wary of is udev moving things around

[19:00:43]

psicobra:

i used to use it on myth tv before is a freecom usb joby it works better in linux than winblows

[19:00:51]

justinh:

not so much if the tuners are the same type (i.e. DVB)

[19:01:24]

psicobra:

yeah

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psicobra:

the drivers for windows suck doesn't work with media centre despite saying it doesn

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jams:

iamlindoro- take a look at http://pastebin.ca/1347058 and see if you can spot the logic errors. This was sent to me by a support person as a example on how to send test transactions.

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justinh:

heh. I ended up using mythtv because of windows drivers & the general suckiness of all the VCR software

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jams:

btw those are batch files

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justinh:

having to restart a machine because a pvr program had hard locked it after 5 minutes of viewing wasn't much fun

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Dagmar:

jams: How often does this person show up to work with their clothes on inside out

[19:05:49]

Dagmar:

...because I'm betting they need help to dress themselves.

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jams:

hehe

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** iamlindoro patiently waits for pastebin.ca to load, as always **

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kormoc:

oh lord Mr. Jams

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kormoc:

Have they never heard of apache bench?

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iamlindoro:

HA

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iamlindoro:

hahaha

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Dagmar:

How did they get the idea that script *checks* anything?

[19:07:23]

** kormoc blinks **

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jams:

in this case the html file has javascript in it so ab would not have worked. This biggest flaw is the logic

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psicobra:

it just amazes me how poor offical support can be for there own hard ware you switch to linux where the drivers are more than likely written by somebody in there own time work so much better

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Dagmar:

Did they put an addon into FF that reboots the machine should something fail?

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jams:

it WILL crash your machine

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kormoc:

Ha

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kormoc:

I didn't even see the code...

[19:07:56]

kormoc:

but now... wow...

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jams:

i just had to share to this

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justinh:

people get paid to do that?

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kormoc:

and here we just have a greasemonkey farm

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** jams has a meeting with his boss later today **

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kormoc:

Gonna get in trouble for sharing company IP?

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jams:

oh no

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jams:

his is defined as the person who wrote that script

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kormoc:

heh, that'd just be icing on the cake

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kormoc:

ahh

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kormoc:

jams, you should submit it to the daily wtf

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jams:

tempting

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jams:

i am going to send back a corrected script, one not written in batch and one that works

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Dagmar:

"not written in batch" <-- good plan!

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jams:

i ran it just to say i tried to jump through the hoop.

[19:11:15]

jams:

by the time the 200th firefox tab opened I ran out of memory

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jams:

i'm guessing 200, hard to tell without a counter

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jams:

kormoc- i'm not for sure any company would want to claim that as their IP

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kormoc:

hehe

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kormoc:

you might be surprised!

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LanUser:

Hello – This last week I've experienced an odd echo in my recordings of the NBC Nightly News, it's just that show which leads me to believe it's in the broadcast, has anyone else noticed this?

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wagnerrp:

is it digital?

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gbee:

if not, why not? :p

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wagnerrp:

if you have a ghost in a digital signal, its the fault of the broadcaster

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wagnerrp:

if you have a ghost in an analog signal, but only during the one show.... well them it may very well be the fault of the broadcaster

[19:36:38]

gbee:

Who you gonna call?

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justinh:

if you had a ghost in the signal big enough to appear as an audio echo.. that'd amount to a pretty huge distance for a reflection to travel :P

[19:36:54]

wagnerrp:

geek squad!

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gbee:

can't believe I just said that

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justinh:

not as bad as my easy pun

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LanUser:

wagnerrp: yes, it's digital from OTA on an HDHR

[19:42:32]

LanUser:

maybe it's the local broadcaster, they just upgraded some stuff that allows them to add weather tickers and such without forcing HD back to SD

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justinh:

then it'd be the broadcaster

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justinh:

unless you somehow figured out how to add an audio effects plugin to mythtv without realising :P

[19:44:50]

LanUser:

I thought it might be one of my mega-monster stereo's surround sound effects until last night, when it was a reverse echo

[19:46:16]

justinh:

sloppy techies

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justinh:

get on the phone to the broadcaster :)

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LanUser:

I just shot them an angry old man email

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wagnerrp:

you dirty broadcasters... providing me free programming of insufficient quality

[20:14:53]

justinh:

hey if it's not the technical quality it's the dirge they pass off as drama

[20:15:22]

justinh:

which reminds me. I need to make my mind up what to do about Heroes

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justinh:

then again since I upgraded the HDDs I'm not pressed for space

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sphery:

so, does VDPAU really work on GF7x00 or is that just more confusion on the -users list (thread, "VDPAU and AGP e.g. HDTV capable 7600GS")?

[20:18:00]

wagnerrp:

im going to say its confusion

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sphery:

that was my first instinct, but then again, they added VC-1 support to (VDPAU supported) cards that don't have the bitstreaming capability, so I didn't know.

[20:19:05]

wagnerrp:

to cards other than the 8400 and 9300?

[20:19:53]

jackson__:

to all VDPAU supported cards.

[20:19:56]

sphery:

yeah, guess all vdpau-supported cards have vc-1, now

[20:20:02]

gbee:

wagnerrp: 8200,8300 supported it before, but yes, apparently it's now all cards

[20:20:05]

wagnerrp:

when did that happen?

[20:20:09]

sphery:

(new drivers, may require mods to apps--I know the deint enhancements do)

[20:20:12]

jackson__:

180.35

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gbee:

wagnerrp: last driver release, a day or two back

[20:21:12]

iamlindoro:

Last night, yeah

[20:21:15]

sphery:

and now that there are repos of 0.21-fixes + vdpau backports (and other miscellaneous backports) for Ubuntu /and/ Red-Hat-based distros, we should just stop work on trunk

[20:21:17]

iamlindoro:

better question is how

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sphery:

sorry, gbee, all that work was for naught

[20:21:33]

iamlindoro:

My guess is offloaded everything they could and did the rest in CUDA

[20:21:45]

sphery:

They cuda done it that way, for sure

[20:21:52]

iamlindoro:

har har har

[20:22:10]

laga:

ouch

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sphery:

I still wanna know how they did the licensing

[20:22:37]

laga:

it'd be cool if someone backported mythui to 0.21. and qt4 support

[20:22:54]

sphery:

laga: yeah... maybe gbee can work on that since trunk is dead

[20:23:01]

gbee:

and video fanart, storage groups and streaming

[20:23:10]

sphery:

after all -fixes is stable, and trunk isn't, so why waste time on trunk

[20:23:52]

iamlindoro:

video fanart doesn't count when it's sitting in trac ;)

[20:24:13]

** iamlindoro is in no way impatient ;) **

[20:24:16]

gbee:

hey, it's not my ticket :)

[20:24:53]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Humm... if that's true (VC-1 support for all VDPAU supporte cards), then i'm all set w/what I have now... Previously the only VC-1 VDPAU capable card I had was teh Asus 8400GS I just bought...

[20:24:58]

iamlindoro:

I mean, I can go on using it here at home fine, but I'll admit to watching to see it committed :)

[20:25:25]

iamlindoro:

er wanting

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wagnerrp:

seems they reduced the power requirements on the deinterlacers

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iamlindoro:

yeah, apparently the "skip chroma deinterlaving" option should allow the advanced ones to run on lower power hardware

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iamlindoro:

er deinterlacing, that is

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wagnerrp:

and some 'half-rate' deinterlacing

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RyeBrye:

half-rate?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: the confusion on the -users list seems to be because someone saw that the 7xxx line is supported by the 180.x drivers

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tsirorre:

Is this the correct mythtv *support* channel?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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flodin:

is there any way to change the zoom level of the teletext? I'm finding it too small to be able to read, and it fills about one quarter of the tv screen in the upper left corner

[20:54:34]

flodin:

preferably i'd like it to fill the whole screen so that closed captioning will end up in a sensible place

[20:55:04]

gbee:

HD?

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tsirorre:

Cool deal, didn't want to bug people if it was a general mythchat chan :) I'm having issues installing mythtv. When I try to compile it I get an error saying

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tsirorre:

/usr/include/X11/Xmd.h:137: error: conflicting declaration 'typedef long int INT32'

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tsirorre:

/usr/qt/3/include/qglobal.h:709: error: 'INT32' has a previous declaration as 'typedef int INT32'

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Dagmar:

Looks like your system is broken

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tsirorre:

neat.

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wagnerrp:

mixing 32-bit and 64-bit define flags?

[21:00:16]

tsirorre:

I'm not sure where I would be doing that.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, think that's it. saw that iamlindoro helped clear it up... :)

[21:01:27]

tsirorre:

Nothing on my system to my knowledge *should* think it's anything but 32 bit.

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flodin:

gbee: no, not hd

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gbee:

ok, well that's odd, never used teletext on my mythtv box but it should be scaled correctly to the full screen

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flodin:

it was a reasonable size originally. I'm not sure what I changed, but it was pretty early on during setup. Perhaps the display aspect ratio or just the screen resolution

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iamlindoro:

Jesus, what is with this guy, he *really* wants his not-supported 7xxx series to be supported.

[21:13:53]

iamlindoro:

But it's *not*

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iamlindoro:

christ

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laga:

iamlindoro: can you please look again? maybe it's supported now

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** iamlindoro hits F5 **

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iamlindoro:

Nope!

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high-rez:

Perhaps someone should send him a video card to shut em up?

[21:15:27]

high-rez:

;)

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iamlindoro:

There are more fulfilling ways of shutting someone up

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wagnerrp:

ive got a couple old Virges laying around

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iamlindoro:

oh look, it's me

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iamlindoro:

guess power came back on at the office

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wagnerrp:

i can put a post-it note on it... 'this is a 8400gs'

[21:18:40]

clever:

i have an s3 virge in one system

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clever:

02:0b.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. ViRGE/DX or /GX (rev 01)

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clever:

thats in my main frontend!

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wagnerrp:

have you managed to get VDPAU running on it yet?

[21:19:20]

clever:

its not even nvidia:P

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** Dagmar waits for it **

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clever:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3)

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clever:

im using that 2nd board for the tvout, and its too old for vdpau

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iamlindoro:

What the heck is wrong with Nvidia?

[21:21:00]

iamlindoro:

How dare they not support VDPAU on S3 cards?

[21:21:31]

iamlindoro:

VDPAU says it's the Video Display and Playback API for Unix, it *doesn't* say you need an nVidia card!

[21:21:34]

iamlindoro:

I'm going to SUE!

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: He could install an 8400, and use CUDA to decode the video for his MX440... ;-)

[21:22:14]

gbee:

of course Nvidia won't support the 7xxx series, they don't make money by making their old products work as well as their new ones, they _want_ people to upgrade

[21:23:08]

wagnerrp:

i for one think its terrible them making us buy new cards

[21:23:16]

iamlindoro:

gbee, Yes, but try making that argument now-- it'll be "but they added VC-1 to all cards, maybe there's a chance!!"

[21:23:18]

justinh:

to the guy with the fried motherboard: have you tried turning it back on again? :-O

[21:23:31]

gbee:

in that respect I'm suprised that they added vdpau support for the 8xxx series

[21:24:03]

gbee:

although maybe not, since at least the 8xxx are still in the marketplace

[21:24:18]

iamlindoro:

I've seen 7s, 6s, and even 5s in the store still

[21:24:29]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

... I have a couple of mAtx boards that have onboard 7x00 gfx... would be really, really nice if they extended vdpau to them, but I'm not betting on it... They've got PCIe slots, so I'll just throw a card in there...

[21:24:30]

high-rez:

I just wish they had consistency with what chipsets got VP2 vs VP3. All 9xxx and above shouldda gotten vp3 :/

[21:24:48]

gbee:

yeah, but not many are still in manufacture, those will likely be old stock

[21:24:50]

iamlindoro:

high-rez, it's kind of a moot point now

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iamlindoro:

high-rez, since all of them can now do the full gamut of VDPAU

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gbee:

and it's the people with the 5s,6s and 7s that they want to seperate from their cash

[21:26:15]

high-rez:

iamlin: Sure (with the exception that vc1 is just a partial offload) – and I *really* thank them for that. My hd-dvds look great now :)

[21:26:28]

iamlindoro:

high-rez, There's no indication taht it's only partial offload

[21:26:33]

gbee:

I imagine they are doing pretty well off of an entire community ditching the GF2s and GF4s they've been using for over ten years

[21:26:41]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

high-rez: Hey man... ;-) I still haven't gotten around to trying to get DN up on my trunk system yet... I'm gettin' OLD, and time goes by MUCH FASTER than when I was 20...

[21:26:42]

iamlindoro:

high-rez, If it were partial offload the API would need to change

[21:26:47]

iamlindoro:

Which it has not

[21:27:15]

wagnerrp:

the entropy decoding it is lacking is akin to the CABAC and CAVLC in h264?

[21:27:22]

gbee:

iamlindoro: driver does some stuff with CPU

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gbee:

It's full offload to the driver, but the driver itself is only partially offloading to the GPU

[21:27:55]

iamlindoro:

gbee, The .35 driver? Ah, didn't realize that-- figured they had done the rest in CUDA (thus providing another reason for it to be 8xxx+ only)

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high-rez:

iamlin: On my 9400 VC1 takes a lot more CPU than h264. So I suppose it's just a guess, but it *appears* to be partial.

[21:28:46]

iamlindoro:

gbee, It seems counterintuitive to build decoders into the driver code

[21:28:58]

iamlindoro:

anyway, no matter

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gbee:

with .27 VC-1 uses 30% on a single core

[21:29:34]

high-rez:

That said, I am happy for whatever they bring to the table. And it seems more stable with corrupted contenet too.

[21:29:40]

iamlindoro:

high-rez, your 9400 has full offload for VC-1

[21:29:54]

iamlindoro:

9400s have VC-1 bitstream capability

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wagnerrp:

not that ive heard

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iamlindoro:

so even if the driver were only doing partial offload, *that* hardware would not

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gbee:

iamlindoro: asked the other day, but no-one was around, what is CPU like for you with that TDK sample you made available?

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iamlindoro:

gbee, In Myth? Meh...... lemme check, I don't recall

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high-rez:

iamlin: It wouldn't play VC1 in anything before 180.35. vdpinfo showed it only would do mpeg/h264.

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iamlindoro:

high-rez, They've added the chipsets as they've gone-- they added my 9300 later too

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high-rez:

Interesting.

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gbee:

high-rez: that's intersting, since I'd assumed that because my 8200 could play VC-1 that the 9400 would too

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iamlindoro:

9400s are g98

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jackson__:

what gpu does the 9400 have?

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iamlindoro:

so yes, indeed it can

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high-rez:

I was actually thinking of moving to the 8800 GT i have laying around due to the higher clock speed (it gets jumpy doing deinterlacing).

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wagnerrp:

i thought it was a g96

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high-rez:

No, mine is G96 iam

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iamlindoro:

that's odd, the press info indicates otherwise, but I trust you

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iamlindoro:

maybe it was a lte change

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high-rez:

I have it in a log here somehwer, let me find it.

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high-rez:

(II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 9400 GT (G96) at PCI:2:0:0 (GPU-0)

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iamlindoro:

gbee, 11–13%

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iamlindoro:

on a 9300 IGP

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iamlindoro:

that's with Myth, of course

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high-rez:

I actually bought it sort of hoping it would be a G98 :) But lucky I was not.

[21:34:27]

gbee:

iamlindoro: right, thanks, what CPU?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

high-rez: Well, with the new drivers, you're ok now... ;-)

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Q6600

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** gbee blinks **

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** gbee googles **

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high-rez:

In fact, I remember standing at the wall-o-videocards at frys going "Well... 9400GT or 8400GS. The 8400 is an older generation so it probably doesnt have the latest video decode hardware..right?

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iamlindoro:

Heh, Quad 2.4

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Though w/ VDPAU it won't clock up, so it sits at 1.6

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wagnerrp:

i thought you had that thing running at 3.something

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gbee:

ok, so clock is similar to mine

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, downstairs system is a 9650 @ 3.6

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iamlindoro:

Q9650, that is

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iamlindoro:

I'm sitting at my office desk so that's what I tested with

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gbee:

actually not true, mine sits on 30% @ 1000Mhz

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iamlindoro:

I suppose it wouldn't hurt just to ask on nvnews, Stephen Warren seems very forthcoming

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gbee:

ok, well thanks, tells me something about relative performance anyway

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iamlindoro:

no problem

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gbee:

not that VDPAU performance really matters when the CPU is capable of handling anything I might throw at it

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iamlindoro:

As you know, I'm anxious to try the software decode multithread stuff

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gbee:

yeah, that interests me far more

[21:41:42]

iamlindoro:

gah, now you've got me watching TDK

[21:41:58]

iamlindoro:

such a great movie, and a hell of an example of blu-ray

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high-rez:

TDK?

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iamlindoro:

If everyone put this kind of effort into mastering the adoption would probably accelerate a lot

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iamlindoro:

The Dark Knight

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high-rez:

Ahh

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iamlindoro:

" a.. Partial acceleration."

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iamlindoro:

Yep, you were absolutely right

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iamlindoro:

apologies, I had misunderstood

[21:44:59]

iamlindoro:

That's for G84, G86, G92, G94, G96, GT200

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gbee:

Heath Ledgers performance made that film, honestly without him ... meh

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iamlindoro:

It reminds me a lot of "Heat"

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iamlindoro:

which is another film I like a lot

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gbee:

can't say I see it, but then another film I saw recently reminded me of Heat

[21:47:32]

gbee:

don't remember what it as though

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gbee:

was

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iamlindoro:

gbee, I think it's the grittiness, combined with the blue/red filter use that mimic's Heat's same approach

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iamlindoro:

er mimics

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iamlindoro:

Probably mostly the latter

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gbee:

been a while since I saw it, I'd have to re-watch before I could comment :)

[21:50:14]

iamlindoro:

Thanks for the alphapulse fix commit, btw

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iamlindoro:

Heh. The Matrix (Blu-ray) List Price: $34.98

[21:51:15]

iamlindoro:

Or you can buy an HD-DVD drive, and all three movies for less than that total

[21:51:29]

iamlindoro:

And have them in Myth by supper :)

[21:52:08]

iamlindoro:

* Does not include purchase price of AnyDVD HD, offer not valid in some states, pregnant women and women who may become pregnant should not use iamlindoro

[21:57:48]

meshe:

is blu-ray worth buying? I finally upgraded to a HDTV and i'm on the fence about blu-ray

[21:58:05]

justinh:

last time I sat on a fence it hurt

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iamlindoro:

meshe, On my super-mondo projection screen downstairs the difference is staggering-- upstairs it's noticeable but less so

[21:58:31]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

meshe: Sure... now that the prices have come down to 'reasonable'... At least for the players, I think the movies are still overpriced...

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gbee:

blu-ray drive prices are still too high IMHO, as for standalone players *shrug*

[21:58:44]

iamlindoro:

meshe, It *is* a substantial improvement over broadcast quality, though

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iamlindoro:

but so is a pair of glasses and a jar of vaseline

[21:59:13]

justinh:

vaseline makes it easier to sit on the fence though

[21:59:27]

iamlindoro:

fencetrout!

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iamlindoro:

!trout justinh fence

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** MythLogBot slaps justinh with a fence trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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gbee:

just looking at the price of some HD-DVD disks .... actually pretty tempting £5–7 a throw

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** J-e-f-f-A|work pretends he didn't read the last 5–10 lines... DOH... **

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justinh:

least with hd-dvd you dont have to worry about it becoming obsolete

[22:00:08]

iamlindoro:

gbee, And for < $25 for an xbox 360 HD-DVd USB drive in some spots, a great source of MythVideo HD content

[22:00:12]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

gbee: Yeah? Where, fleabay?

[22:00:12]

meshe:

well, we have 300+ dvds

[22:00:42]

justinh:

J-e-f-f-A|work: in shops

[22:00:44]

XLV:

br recorders for 200 euro, 50GB br-e dl media at 100$ for a pack of 10 from ebay ( tdk brand )

[22:00:46]

justinh:

online too

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

meshe: blue-ray drives still play DVDs...

[22:00:49]

meshe:

i know the quality is better than dvd, and there is no way i'm going to rebuy all of the movies we have on dvd, but for future purchases...

[22:01:02]

gbee:

play.com etc, all household name retailers etc

[22:01:13]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: Local shops? Can't find HD-DVDs anywhere here (boston area) except pawn shops...

[22:01:34]

justinh:

at that price per disk it actually almost makes sense to buy films :)

[22:01:49]

gbee:

meshe: yeah, I wouldn't re-buy what I already own, with one exception – I've a series on VHS that I'm very tempted to buy on Blu-ray

[22:01:56]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A|work, http://hddvdboxsets.com/

[22:02:11]

iamlindoro:

Transformers $3.33, Planet Earth $20... :)

[22:02:13]

gbee:

just noticed that the Blu-ray price for the set is less than the DVD price

[22:02:21]

meshe:

gbee: yeah, we got rid of our last vcr 2 years ago, so all the vhs tapes went with it

[22:02:23]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: ooh, thanks... ;-)

[22:02:49]

justinh:

recent-ish dvd is already starting to find its way into bargain bin shops

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A|work, Heroes Season 1 $12.90

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gbee:

meshe: ditto, with the exception of this set, because although I can't play it, it was a reminder that I wanted to replace them

[22:03:11]

justinh:

though VHS is still hanging on in there I doubt it'll be too long before bluray hits the sweet spot

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: I have the XB360 HD-DVD drive, but haven't used it for much ... bought it for $49 when BR won the war...

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iamlindoro:

I can only assume that's what they pay you given the quality of Heroes Season 1

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

I do have about 8–10 HD-DVDs...

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iamlindoro:

If you're into Star Trek, the HD-DVD Season 1 set is 1/3rd the price of the (not yet out) Blu ray version

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iamlindoro:

Planet Earth is a "must have" IMO

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meshe:

hmmm, might have to find a used HD-DVD player at that price

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gbee:

how do I know that something is not just upscaled for HD?

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iamlindoro:

You don't realize why you bought all your Hi Def equipment until you've watch Planet Earth on it :)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: holy bleep... 524 HD-DVD titles... wow... ;-)

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** justinh tries to remember how much dvds used to cost when they first came along **

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iamlindoro:

gbee, hidefdigest does a pretty good job of reviewing and detailing almost everything

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meshe:

first dvd i bought was $30

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gbee:

iamlindoro: just googled and found a whole 5 page thread on the HD-DVD version :)

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iamlindoro:

gbee, of which?

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justinh:

! two-disc bluray sets. wth are they doing?

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justinh:

one bluray disc isn't big enough anymore? lol

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iamlindoro:

especially at BD50, sheesh!

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justinh:

new codecs please :D

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gbee:

iamlindoro: Band of Brothers

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Ahhh... I haven't read reviews, but *do* own the disks, it's fantastic!

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gbee:

heh, great

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iamlindoro:

They preserved the graininess and didn't succumb to the recent "smooth everything" some recent films like to do

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iamlindoro:

film graininess, that is

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gbee:

not that I can actually find any place with stock for less that I can have the Blu-ray tin set

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gbee:

great

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gbee:

than

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gbee:

so might as well go with the blu-ray

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gbee:

bizarrely the Blu-ray is still 6 disks, same as the DVD

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iamlindoro:

Not a bad thing, MOAR BITS

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iamlindoro:

Note that my version has japanese menus

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iamlindoro:

Which I have never actually seen

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iamlindoro:

as I took the EVOBs only

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dustybin:

justinh: do you like reggae roots? 60's 70's

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gbee:

tempted just to buy it right this instant, but that would be a little impulsive, I don't even have a blu-ray drive yet

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iamlindoro:

I'm not sure how the flow of stock works, as I found the japanese version at a large local retailer

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justinh:

dustybin: nah my appreciation of reggae begins & ends with Bob Marley – and I know that doesn't even qualify

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dustybin:

justinh: listen to 'althea and donna uptown top ranking' on you tube. quality old skool reggae roots

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iamlindoro:

I wonder why one would want to do that

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justinh:

I know that song. would rather spend hours fixing my chainsaw so I can cut myself to death with it

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dustybin:

no way lol

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justinh:

better when Jonathon Ross introduces it

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dustybin:

eek

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, Help me understand why you spend so much time randomly antagonizing the people who are annoyed by you

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dustybin:

:(

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iamlindoro:

I genuinely want to know-- don't you *want* to be liked?

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iamlindoro:

And wouldn't part of that be to live and let live with the people who you get on the nerves of?

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iamlindoro:

*sigh*

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iamlindoro:

"Apple Update Requires Boxee Users to Run"

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iamlindoro:

What a great headline

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justinh:

run to XBMC?

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iamlindoro:

I think a lot of boxee owners could use a good run

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iamlindoro:

Think there's a noun missing at the end, but it gives it character

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gbee:

so guessing that whatever it is, it's not good for Boxee

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iamlindoro:

I think the word was probably just "update"

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gbee:

first Hulu, now Apple trailers?

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** gbee suspects Boxee won't be here this time next year **

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iamlindoro:

The instant they started charging for it they probably would have lost 99% of their users

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iamlindoro:

which seemem/seems to be the way it was heading

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iamlindoro:

er seemed/seems

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iamlindoro:

Can't expect current and former XBMC users to *pay* for anything, can we?

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iamlindoro:

I'll bet if XBMC decides to fork Myth and become a DVR, we won't be seeing many new SD subs, either

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iamlindoro:

Why pay when there's perfectly good stealing to be done?

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justinh:

heh that's their own battle if they want to spend their lives scraping

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wagnerrp:

arrrrr

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justinh:

actually, no. I find that thought worrying. Who says they'd revert to scraping :(

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gbee:

the whole point of Boxee was charging wasn't it? So it wasn't just the way it was heading, it was the entire raison d'etre

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justinh:

better not even think about that

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Don't think they had charged for anything to date

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Versus what, torrenting listings?

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justinh:

yeah but as soon as we saw the words 'company' and 'revenue' the amber light started to flash. Least it did for me

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gbee:

iamlindoro: no, I hadn't heard about them charging, but I was assuming that up until now it had been a long running Beta for the commercial product

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iamlindoro:

yes, there's no doubt they had/have a plan to make money *somewhere*

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iamlindoro:

whether ads or content sales or subs or...

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justinh:

iamlindoro: shees I fscking hope not for SD & all the legit users' sakes

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gbee:

one thing is certain, Boxee is a commercial enterprise, it's just not that obvious (at least to me) where they plan to make the money

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** gbee didn't read iamlindoro's reply first **

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RyeBrye:

I basically only used Boxee to watch Hulu for stuff I didn't get on MythTV (because the ATSC stream was too badly gardbled) or for cartoons for my 2 year old. I don't see how Boxee can gain many users without hulu

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

RyeBrye: so, do you like the 'official' bigclock patch in trunk now? ;-)

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RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A|work: I like that it is there- but my LCD is currently awaitng me recompiling LIRC to get it working

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justinh:

gah. I give up on Musicbrains

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iamlindoro:

I hope alvaro turns up again at some point and fixes mythtube, I already sent him all my work which should be 99% of it

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justinh:

bloody idiots on there can't accept bare face FACTS

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

RyeBrye: Doh! I haven't tried with my iMon display yet... too busy, and not likely to let up soon, have a drain leak that I've got to get fixed now... DOH!

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justinh:

your CD isn't in the database so you go through all the fscking palaver of entering all the details, and some smartarse decides that because they have a disc of the same name with a different tracklisting yours is wrong no matter what. I give up

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gbee:

cddb ftw

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gbee:

well freedb more accurately

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Cheavera:

Hi, I've got mythtv working except for the volume control. I tried both ALSA:default and /dev/mixer but they dont seem to work for me. Can someone help me find the problem I'm using Fedora 10

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iamlindoro:

Analog or digital audio?

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Cheavera:

analog

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Cheavera: I removed pulseaudio, then alsa:default worked for me...

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Cheavera:

J-e-f-f-A|work: should i do: yum remove pulseaudio?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Cheavera: That's what I did... Not sure what the benefit of it is (if any at all) on a myth system...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

ChanServ: Depending on your motherboard/sound card you may have to use the Master volume instead of PCM volume too.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Cheavera: ^^ oops, didn't check the 'tab-complete' on that one... DOH!

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Cheavera:

J-e-f-f-A|work: I tried all combinations they didn't work before i removed pulseaudio BIG Thanks

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Cheavera: working now? Cool?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

er... Cool!

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Cheavera:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Yes removing Pulseaudio did it

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mnd-:

hi, is the remaining space for recordings shown somewhere? I didn't notice yet at least

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wagnerrp:

the system stats, information center lists remaining space in time

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wagnerrp:

mythweb reports remaining disk space

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mnd-:

ah ok

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mzb_d800:

what is the deal with the displayed time in mythwelcome?

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mzb_d800:

The time in mythfrontend is fine, but mythwelcome is wrong.

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mzb_d800:

Last night it was LocalTime+2H, today is appears to be GMT.

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mzb_d800:

I'll assume at this point that it's because I run UTC time, but is mythwelcome really that brain dead?

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mzb_d800:

I've tried exporting TZ (just in case) to no avail.

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... even worse

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mzb_d800:

BIOS time is 23:44, mythwelcome time is 0:44, and mythfrontend/real time is 10:44

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mzb_d800:

any clues?

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mzb_d800:

hmm, and now mythwelcome is showing 0:43, while mythfrontend shows 10:47. WTF?

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mzb_d800:

err ... no that was a resume

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mzb_d800:

*sigh*

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