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Wednesday, February 18th, 2009, 00:02 UTC

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iamlindoro:

gbee, damn you for making me look at my theme again. It was FINE before you went mocking up things. ;)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: didnt you already say that once?

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iamlindoro:

I... don't think so

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iamlindoro:

Unless the pills aren't working again

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wagnerrp:

here we go... 'iamlindoro_> gbee: You're going to suck me back into working on my theme :)'

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iamlindoro:

yes. Different.

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wagnerrp:

just the last thing i read before walking away from the computer

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iamlindoro:

ah, ok

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if i should start doing daily QAM scans before primetime during this whole transition period

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wagnerrp:

yep... CBS/NBC moved back to channel 27

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wagnerrp:

'THIS-TV', seems FOX retasked their subchannel after dropping their music channel about a year ago

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JEDIDIAH__:

...it's like reruns of LOST

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squish102:

how do i change the mythfilldatabase time? it runs most nights when i am trying to watch tv, and then the show stutters

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wagnerrp:

it should run when SD tells it to run

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squish102:

oh man, that sucks, my machine becomes unwatchable for a period of time

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JEDIDIAH__:

so? SD is telling this guys mythfilldatabase process to run during primetime?

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wagnerrp:

apparently

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JEDIDIAH__:

I could see how that could cause problems...

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squish102:

yip. i'll just kill it when it happens and pick it up later

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squish102:

that is the least of my problems... php5 just broke mythweb on my mythbuntu box

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wagnerrp:

could be worse, im about to whipe one of my machines because i somehow managed to remove execute access from everyone but toor

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wagnerrp:

root

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GreyFoxx:

doh

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wagnerrp:

file permissions look peachy... they just cant run anything

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wagnerrp:

that also means they cannot log in, because they cannot run the shell

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GreyFoxx:

oddd.... didn't remount with noexec or something ?

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squish102:

ok fixed php, had to comment out some lines in mythweb.conf

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wagnerrp:

nope, just 'rw,noatime'

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squish102:

Suggested next mythfilldatabase run: 2009-02–17 19:24

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fpga:

anyone tried to get h.264 hardware asisted decoding on ati r3xx chips ?

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wagnerrp:

not gonna happen

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JEDIDIAH__:

why so sure wagner?

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gbee:

too old

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wagnerrp:

beyond the fact that ATI has not yet released the drives to allow it to happen

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gbee:

and did the r3xx series really have h.264 decoding? Seems unlikely since even my r650 didn't, you're looking at r7xx and above for h.264 (UVD2+)

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wagnerrp:

doesnt appear so

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gbee:

unless ATi version numbers are just very funky

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fpga:

the bastards advertise mpeg4 accelerated decoding on the box

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wagnerrp:

the 300s were the 9xxx and Xxxx series

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gbee:

but a quick google search suggests the r3xx series is at least 4+ years old

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gbee:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

unless you mean the X3xxx cards?

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wagnerrp:

my sister has my old 9800 (r300 card), and i was unaware of any hardware accelerated decoding when i bought it

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gbee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Video_De . . . enabled_GPUs

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fpga:

it's r300 , from their site quote "MPEG1/2/4 decode and encode acceleration

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fpga:

DXVA Support

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fpga:

Hardware Motion Compensation, iDCT, DCT and color space conversion

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fpga:

All-format DTV/HDTV decoding"

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fpga:

a cheap rv360 board

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wagnerrp:

fpga: specifically what card do you own?

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fpga:

agp x1050 more exactly

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fpga:

h.264 is not related to mpeg4?

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gbee:

mpeg4 is a container

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wagnerrp:

mpeg4 may likely mean ASP (divx and xvid)

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fpga:

dtv/hdtv maybe for the american atsc (mpeg2) that still hangs on

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wagnerrp:

which is completely different than AVC (h264)

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gbee:

fpga: probably means something akin to XvMC, which isn't full GPU offload

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fpga:

rest of the world implemented h264

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wagnerrp:

the rest of the world used asp

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wagnerrp:

theyve had ASP capable DVD players for going on 8 years now

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fpga:

at least some work could be offloaded to gpu, full 1080p 19mbit plays with 15% cpu usage on 2ghz athlon :)

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wagnerrp:

AVC capable hardware is a more recent occurrence

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fpga:

mpeg2 that is

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wagnerrp:

where are you getting this 1080p mpeg2?

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fpga:

I did a test from a site

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wagnerrp:

ah, 19mbit sounded suspiciously like ATSC

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fpga:

http://www.w6rz.net/

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wagnerrp:

which really only peaks at 19mbit, and ive never actually heard of broadcast in 1080p

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fpga:

real captures are 1080i mpeg2 ts

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mach007:

hello, I was wondering if someone might be able to help me with my mythtv installation, i'm having a lot of trouble with package dependencies in debian

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wagnerrp:

ah yes, the X1xxx line does support h.264 acceleration

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wagnerrp:

however 'benchmarks show only a modest decrease in cpu-utilization for vc-1 and h.264 playback'

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wagnerrp:

and thats only on windows, on linux, you get nothing

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gbee:

but XvBA for now only supports UVD2, so that's a limited number of UVD supporting chips

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wagnerrp:

its a r500 chip, not an r300

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wagnerrp:

the r300s were the old pre-X cards

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fpga:

there is a catch this particular board is r360 . another marketing gimmick

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wagnerrp:

and a couple of the low X0xxx's

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wagnerrp:

consider it similar to the nvidia 6 and 7 form of h.264 decoding

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wagnerrp:

it could do some stuff, but the processor still did most of the work

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fpga:

h264 doesn't do iDCT stuff?

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fpga:

I mean why not use the power already at hand

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Dagmar:

Math sez no.

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wagnerrp:

ill have to check out this 'THIS-TV' channel, they play a lot of movies

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wagnerrp:

theyre even playing Killer Klowns from Outer Space on thursday

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wagnerrp:

that movie gave Ed Wood a run for his money

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gbee:

sounds like a classic

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wagnerrp:

its everything you would expect from the name

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jams:

wagnerrp- they play that movie at least once a week. it seems to be a favorite

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wagnerrp:

its horrible to the point of cult status

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Dagmar:

Well, for a cheeseball flick it's actually pretty good

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wagnerrp:

'rival california skateboarders work up to a 20-mile downhill race called the massacre'

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wagnerrp:

there are such places with 20 miles of considerable downgrade?

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Dagmar:

You've never actually driven to Tahoe have yo

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Dagmar:

u

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iamlindoro:

Mount Wilson would be my guess if it's LA Area

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: i actually have twice

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Dagmar:

visualize this... On one side of a very narrow state there is sea level

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wagnerrp:

but i remember there being ups and downs as it weaved through the mountain

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Dagmar:

...on the other side, altitude so high your spit can turn into flurries

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wagnerrp:

no continuous hill

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wagnerrp:

although i came from the other direction, from Carson City

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wagnerrp:

theyre playing Hackers... i dont think ive ever seen that movie on TV before

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Dagmar:

There's a lot of places such a slope could potentially be, and since it doesn't necessarily have to be in a straight line, I'm willing to believe it's possible

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Dagmar:

Now, if you tried to tell me it was in somewhere like Florida I'd just laugh at you

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wagnerrp:

hey, ive heard there are places that get as high as 130ft in Florida

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Dagmar:

When I was last there I saw a landmark that purported to be the highest point in Florida at 340 feet or something like that

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wagnerrp:

i remember a couple years ago, some teens took their dad's brand new M5, and managed to drive it off the only cliff in Florida

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Dagmar:

Cute little signs telling people to take deep breaths to compensate for the slightly thinned atmosphere

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wagnerrp:

some private elevated airport

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wagnerrp:

they were dragracing down the runway at about 3am

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Dagmar:

Yeah I think my brother broke an axle on his car driving off that on a scuba trip some years back

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wagnerrp:

there were skidmarks for about 50ft leading to the end of runway, they impacted some tree about 30ft up going well over 100mph

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Dagmar:

Silly ricers, always worrying about 0–60 and never thinking about 60–0

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wagnerrp:

is there any way to determine what a frontend is doing?

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danny_mk:

hopefully quick question: I have two tunners pvr-350 + pvr-150 which both record, however the 150 produces no sound. The pvr-350 does. I am using MythDora 10.21

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wagnerrp:

ah... 'query location'

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danny_mk:

I have looked through the documentation, archives and google and still have not found a solution. Any suggestions?

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wagnerrp:

you are using them as mpeg tuners, and not v4l tuners, right?

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wagnerrp:

considering you have an aged 350, i would hope you werent using it incorrectly all these years

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Dagmar:

Make sure you have the right firmwware

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danny_mk:

how do I check that stuff?

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Dagmar:

www.ivtvdriver.org

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phunyguy:

anyone in here have a SB Live 24bit internal card?

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Dagmar:

You mean the weird one with no Linux drivers?

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Dagmar:

:D

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danny_mk:

can it capture video with the wrong firmware?

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Dagmar:

danny_mk: Probably so

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danny_mk:

the pvr-150 that is

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danny_mk:

video and no audio?

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JEDIDIAH__:

...I thought that one supposedly had drivers. Although I haven't used a "separate" audio card since ISA slots went out of style.

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phunyguy:

Dagmar? you askin me?

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danny_mk:

hmmm...

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phunyguy:

I have 2 and they both are picked up fine

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phunyguy:

just curious about the SPDIF that comes up in my mixer

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phunyguy:

card has no spdif....

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phunyguy:

if it does it is in a weird spot.

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Dagmar:

There's one of them that has no drivers... can't remember which one

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phunyguy:

....like a proprietary connector

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phunyguy:

yeah this one i had been using the analog portion for a few years and I just picked up another for like $19

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danny_mk:

the problem with this stuff is that I am a sofware guy and usually have a hart tiime with hardware

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Dagmar:

danny_mk: So read the wiki about the firmware

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danny_mk:

so I can't tell which chipset or whatever unless there is a utility that can tell me right away

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danny_mk:

OK, I will give that a try

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phunyguy:

anyways... was curious if anyone had any success with the SPDIF output on a live 24bit card

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phunyguy:

and what was needed to make it work

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Dagmar:

Man that's awful because everyone else seems to be able to get by with just what's on the wiki

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phunyguy:

i bought an OEM card so there was nothing but the card included.

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phunyguy:

im sure there is some proprietary connector – etc that i didn't get.

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phunyguy:

same with the first one i bought

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phunyguy:

OEM.

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Dagmar:

No emu10k1 chip on it?

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Dagmar:

You got screwed if that's the case

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phunyguy:

again, talking to me?

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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phunyguy:

ok.

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phunyguy:

i found it.

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phunyguy:

http://www.ciao.com/Creative_Sound_Blaster_Di . . . le__15325040

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phunyguy:

wondering what that has besides the connectors on it

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Dagmar:

Probably some real chips

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phunyguy:

i wonder if i can just plug a headphone to RCA in and have the spdif signal on one of the rca ends

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phunyguy:

i bet it only has something to convert the toslink side of it

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phunyguy:

its $11.

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Dagmar:

Probably so

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phunyguy:

prolly something else incldued to put a damper on my idea

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phunyguy:

lol

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Dagmar:

A lot of heavy lifting is done by emu chip on most of hte Live! cards.

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phunyguy:

yeah im sure the chip is on the card

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phunyguy:

I will try it.

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phunyguy:

also

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Dagmar:

When Dell got them to make a stripped down "winmodem" version of the thing, they blasphemed

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phunyguy:

if i unmute the spdif it mutes the analog sound

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phunyguy:

which also puts a damper on what i need to do but I can dealk

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phunyguy:

deal*

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wagnerrp:

thats why theres two separate drivers for them in the kernel?

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Dagmar:

Well, it is probably rerouting the output

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phunyguy:

right

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phunyguy:

because the digital io port is also a line in / out

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phunyguy:

(analog)

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Dagmar:

The winmodem version of the card is a piece of crap not worthy

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phunyguy:

so it turns off analog

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phunyguy:

(my guess)

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phunyguy:

i will try it out and let ya know

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phunyguy:

they prolly switched the wiring in the adapter around

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wagnerrp:

gotta love dell..

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phunyguy:

normal left / right / ground arent in the right spot so it would confuse a headphone to RCA cable

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Dagmar:

could be. It could also be that ALSA's ability to map outputs correctly is still a bit hit-or-miss in places.

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phunyguy:

might have to cut and adapt.

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phunyguy:

but whatever

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phunyguy:

:P

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Dagmar:

It took what, four revisions before all the Intel HDA variants worked correctly

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Dagmar:

Okay so not all but at least most

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phunyguy:

like nvidia?

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phunyguy:

still 2 channel.

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phunyguy:

:|

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phunyguy:

thats why i got the live card.

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phunyguy:

food – bll

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phunyguy:

bbl*

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wagnerrp:

where did you even get a Live! card?

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danny_mk:

man, I am affraid of breaking this system. It is working great so far but I just can't record while I watch tv. Isn't there an easier way to test the configuration?

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Dagmar:

I have *spares* I got from an outlet for $16 apiece

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Dagmar:

No one's ever getting them from me

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wagnerrp:

i have a couple laying around, but im not sure what version

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wagnerrp:

they were pulled off old machines i 'recycled'

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Dagmar:

Well, it's only the ones without the emu chip on them that should be recycled as ice scrapers

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Dagmar:

At some point I've got to do a temporary reinstall of WIn98 to get the old Kidnapper filter out of the drivers

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Dagmar:

For some reason they took that filter out of the driver package after 2001.

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Dagmar:

No idea why

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Dibblah:

Funky. Didn't realise MS had discontinued the MCE remote.

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wagnerrp:

lets go digging through my big tub of hardware looking for one

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Dagmar:

None whatsoever.

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wagnerrp:

kidnapper filter?

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wagnerrp:

like digital voice distorter?

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Dagmar:

Yep. You know how in a movie when a kidnapper calls it sounds like nine different people talking at once?

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Dagmar:

That was one of hte default emu10k1 patch code settings

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Dagmar:

It was awesome

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wagnerrp:

'emu10k1-nef'... looks like the real thing

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Dagmar:

The chip is awesomesauce

[02:08:27]

wagnerrp:

the digital input is oddly missing

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Dagmar:

I can think of some reasons why

[02:08:53]

Dagmar:

...like people were using the DSPs on the chip for radio funnery

[02:09:03]

Dagmar:

...like chasing trunked wireless traffic.

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wagnerrp:

it has the solder-through holes, but no plug nor header

[02:10:35]

wagnerrp:

seems like someone who would be doing that with the hardware would have no trouble soldering directly to the board

[02:10:51]

wagnerrp:

leaving the plug off is a bit of a lost cause

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danny_mk:

I am using Kernel 2.6.27.9–159.fc10.i686 the wiki reads "IVTV is part of kernel 2.6.22 so you will only have to download the userspace tools. No instalation of modules is needed except for ivtv-fb and saa717x if you need them"

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danny_mk:

does that help?

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Dagmar:

Correct!

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wagnerrp:

danny_mk: starting with 2.6.26, ALL of ivtv is now inside the kernel

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danny_mk:

right

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wagnerrp:

there is no userspace part of the driver any longer

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Dagmar:

Does it say the word "FIRMWARE" anywhere there?

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Dagmar:

How about you look for the word "FIRMWARE".

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danny_mk:

The requested URL /ivtv/firmware/firmware.tar.gz was not found on this server.

[02:12:15]

danny_mk:

but I will keep on checking

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Dagmar:

Yeah, clicking on a download link is always preferable to reading.

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danny_mk:

Dagmar: I understand reading is always the best option, however I thought I could get a quick answer. Reading 10 pages compiling 10 options with different settings can take days and sometimes weeks and then sometimes break an existing working system

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Dagmar:

WEll, I'm not going to read the page for you.

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Dagmar:

It's one page, it's linked from the top of their site, and it explains just about everything to do with firmware.

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danny_mk:

OK. I will read the page when I find it.

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danny_mk:

http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware

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nOStahl:

hey guys i cant get my tv to do anything but black/white

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nOStahl:

i've gone through 3 pages of google search resuult "fixes" and no uck

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nOStahl:

i had it working on this hardware last year

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nOStahl:

and the s-video cord isgood just tested itg :)

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Dagmar:

You have what kind of video card?

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nOStahl:

intel

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Dagmar:

So what's it do before you start X??

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nOStahl:

it work great

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nOStahl:

just black and white heh

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Dagmar:

Well, I think the word you're looking for is "broken" if it doesn't do anything but black and white before X has anything to say about it

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Dagmar:

...but it's possible you set it to something screwey like PAL mode somehow

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nOStahl:

i've tryed pal and ntsc with xrandr

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nOStahl:

pal-m and ntsc-m

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Dagmar:

You should have never even tried PAL.

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Dagmar:

NTSC-M or just plain NTSC (when NTSC-M is not an option). Never NTSC-J.

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nOStahl:

so what all do i need to go through for settings

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nOStahl:

im running mythbuntu 8.10 currently

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Dagmar:

Well, I think the word you're looking for is "broken" if it doesn't do anything but black and white before X has anything to say about it

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nOStahl:

it's worked before

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nOStahl:

it'll work now

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Dagmar:

So find a time machine.

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nOStahl:

its just setting

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Dagmar:

http://www.google.com/search?q=intel+s-video+ . . . ck+and+white

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danny_mk:

OK Dagmar, you kicked my ass on this one

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danny_mk:

you were right, I followed the instructions for the firmware and it worked

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danny_mk:

thank you for your help

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phunyguy:

hah!

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phunyguy:

SPDIF works without the funny little box

[03:18:38]

phunyguy:

it's just on one of the RCA ends

[03:18:44]

phunyguy:

awesome.

[03:19:12]

phunyguy:

the box must convert that to toslink and just pass through the coax.

[03:19:28]

phunyguy:

same with input

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phunyguy:

didnt sound like 5.1 though

[03:19:41]

phunyguy:

but that may be another issue

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wagnerrp:

you may just be sending 2.0LPCM

[03:23:46]

wagnerrp:

toslink is an identical signal to spdif

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wagnerrp:

for a couple $ in parts, you can build a little circuit to plug into spdif and transmit toslink

[03:24:17]

** J-e-f-f-A wonders why current trunk (just checked out) is taking 113% of an Athlon X2 4600+ with vdpau on mpeg2... [time to catch up on the weekend's -dev messages I think...] ;-) **

[03:25:18]

wagnerrp:

i would be concerned about it taking up 113% of a 4600+ on Xv

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oobe:

in mythvideo i remember on a different setup with previous version of mythtv i used to beable to play divx movies divided into 2 cds and when one ended it would auto play the next cd i dont know what i had enabled to do this does anyone know where i enable this behaviour

[03:28:54]

iamlindoro:

edit the metadata, set file to always play next

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wagnerrp:

you have to specify 'continue to the next file' in the video manager

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Yeah, it's strange... should be like basically idle with mpeg2...

[03:29:06]

wagnerrp:

beat me to it...

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oobe:

by this i mean batman.returns.1of2.avi then it would play batman.returns.2of2.avi

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wagnerrp:

grab avidemux and splice them back together

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wagnerrp:

the world no longer burns CDs

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oobe:

yeah lol i think its funny that ppl bother making 2 x 700 mg

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: What deinterlacer are you using with vdpau, just BOB?

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, When I use it, bob 2x

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J-e-f-f-A:

Any benefit to "max CPUs" other than 1?

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wagnerrp:

for vdpau, no

[03:34:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, didn't think so...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hummm.....

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J-e-f-f-A:

maybe videepaw ain't workin' and it's falling back to XV... but then again... 113% of a 4600 for mpeg2? Sumethin' ain't behaving right....

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wagnerrp:

where is my mx440...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm.... "Desired video renderer '' not available."... that doesn't sound good... !!!

[03:42:21]

wagnerrp:

seems its in use

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J-e-f-f-A:

eh? What else could be using it? ;-) Only mythtv running... DOH!

[03:44:03]

wagnerrp:

no, the card i was looking for

[03:44:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Ah... ;-) DOH! ;-) Guess I should pay attention more!

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k-man:

hey, whats support like for HD homerun DVB-T in mythtv? i read some messages in the commit list that indicate its not supported yet?

[03:47:08]

wagnerrp:

do you have one that doesnt work? or are you considering buying one?

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k-man:

wagnerrp: friend just bought one, and then i happened to notice that message in the mailing lists

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k-man:

he hasn't tried it with mythtv yet

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Dagmar:

Suuuuure it is

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Dagmar:

Especially considering that there are no video cards that support both VDPAU and XvMC

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wagnerrp:

k-man: last time i read through the code, there was a big library update that had not yet made it into -fixes

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wagnerrp:

i noticed one of the things in the new code was frequency tables for DVB

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hey Lexridge – so did you guys delay your switch to digital?

[03:51:14]

wagnerrp:

you may want to have your friend try out trunk, or check out the HDHR multirec patches

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Lexridge:

j-e-f-f-a: Fox went full power digital Sunday night at 10:30pm, CBS is going to wait (per the government's request) until our 1950 era transmitter dies, or June 12....whichever comes first. However, in the studio, we are absolutely ready.

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Lexridge:

j-e-f-f-a: We're still having lots of PSIP issues, but not a show stopper by any means.

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k-man:

thanks wagnerrp

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: That's cool. I just remembered that I need to check if any channels 'moved' on me today, if so I'd better re-scan to get the new freq assignments...

[03:54:44]

Lexridge:

I did that a while ago. The NBC in HD is simply awesome!!! Their second channel is ABC in SD, but still looks really good.

[03:55:12]

Lexridge:

Crazy thing is, I could never pick up the NBC before in analog, but get a 72% signal from their digital.

[03:57:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... 7.1 is NBC... 7.2 used to be weather, now it's a new station "this Boston"

[03:59:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

Wow, most of my signal strengths are > 90% now... they were in the 60–75% range before... Cool... ;-)

[03:59:47]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: our local FOX station picked up THIS for their subchannel

[04:01:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Yeah, looks like SD picked up the changes – I hadn't checked in a few days, last time I checked it still had it listed as weather... ;-)

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k-man:

is there packages made from trunk for ubuntu?

[04:01:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Did you see my comment about W7 the other day?

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Lexridge:

I wonder why my Schedules Direct does not show me programming data for my local digitals. I selected the Off-Air database. humm.

[04:02:10]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, I did not

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wagnerrp:

k-man: maybe, and dont use it

[04:02:18]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, Oh, yeah, I did

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wagnerrp:

if you cant compile source, you shouldnt use trunk

[04:02:25]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, Haven't seen/played with it yet

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k-man:

i can compile source

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: I threw it on a test box, and was quite shocked, it's actually pretty decent from what I've played with so far.

[04:02:55]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, They need ti to have any hope of a future :)

[04:03:05]

k-man:

but i'd like to stick with packages so that when dvb-t support is finaly in the packages i can revert to precompiled packages easily

[04:03:08]

wagnerrp:

W7?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Winblows 7 — it's in Beta.

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wagnerrp:

k-man: proceed at your own risk, you wont get much help in here with them

[04:04:28]

k-man:

wagnerrp: ok

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k-man:

wagnerrp: so you recommend just compiling from straight source instead?

[04:05:10]

wagnerrp:

if you need to run trunk, yes

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: Curious... all but one channel come in better... one comes in worse... I wonder why...

[04:13:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: (and none of them moved to new freq assignments... yet anyways)

[04:14:08]

Lexridge:

"comes in worse" how?

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Lexridge:

are you seeing pixelating?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: Lower signal strength... (checking now)

[04:15:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: only 50% signal now... was at least 60% before... humm...

[04:16:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: All my other channels went from 60–76% signal strength to > 90% (well, one went to 85%, but still went up)... this one channel went lower.

[04:16:43]

Lexridge:

I'd guess they could have changed their broadcast direction for their high power.

[04:16:56]

Lexridge:

you can control that stuff, ya know.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: Ah, that could be. ;-)

[04:17:19]

Lexridge:

generally, they will point most of their power towards their city of license.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: Here's my available channels... I point at ~117 degrees to get all the Boston stations... 68.1 is at 117 and only 15.1 miles... just like virtually all the others...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper& . . . 3d532919c66e (oops, forgot the link!)

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Lexridge:

as long as you are getting a good digital picture (ie, no pixelating), I would concern myself with the lower signal strengh. As long as it does not drip below around 30%, you should get a great picture.

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Lexridge:

drip=drop. doh!

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: Yeah, it's mostly stable on 68 – cuts out a little here and there... must be a bounce or interference... Humm.. path says "1 Edge"... (just cut in and out for the last 20 seconds...)

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Lexridge:

My best signal was 66% until I adjusted my antenna a little. Actually a lot. It was pointed straight down due to the wind we had last Wednesday night. I straighnted it up and it went to 72% for all stations.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: Yeah, my antenna is only about 5" above the peak of my roof. It could probably be improved quite a bit by raising it another 5 or 10'...

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Lexridge:

possibly, but if pointing my antenna from straight at the ground, to directly north only gained me 6%. I really thought it would be much more.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: Is it a Yagi like mine?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: Here's mine: http://rsk.imageg.net/graphics/product_images . . . 5531w345.jpg

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Lexridge:

Yea, it's a Yagi. It's a 15 year old RS antenna with a pretty large UHF antenna on the frontend of it.

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Dagmar:

You kinda need line of sighty

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Lexridge:

oh, that's just a UHF antenna. Is the station that dropped in signal strength now a VHF station?

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Dagmar:

...which I'm guessing you dont' have

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Lexridge:

actually, that is what is on the front of my antenna. I'll send a link...hold on.

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J-e-f-f-A:

No, I just checked. They all stayed where they were, in the UHF range.

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Dagmar:

You might have a break in the coax

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J-e-f-f-A:

Real channel is 32.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: Doubt it... Everything else comes in at 90%+ now... all channels in the same direction. I think it's something with the station itself.

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Lexridge:

mine looks more like this: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3366468

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: Ah, that's purdy. ;-) "Optimized for channels 7–69"... But isn't digital going to be 2–50 only eventually?

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Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: Well, hearing that I'd say you're probably right

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Dagmar:

Yeah but for now that's the UHF range

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Lexridge:

Here's the deal as I understand it...All the stations around me are digital VHF, except for one. Ch33. The UHFs are better at distance in flat areas...the VHFs are better for mountainous terrain because they "bounce" better. So. the FCC assigned the channels according to their terrain.

[04:39:04]

Lexridge:

however, the ch33 is a PBS station with tons of repeaters on VHF freqs.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Here's the anteanna I bought on clearance a couple of years ago — supposed to have ~90 mile range... will go up in the spring in place of the UHF-70 I've got up there now...

[04:39:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/VU-90XR.html

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Lexridge:

that looks better :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: Yeah, I didn't bother with VHF/UHF combo when all the HD channels were broadcasting in the UHF range... ;-) Eventually some of them will move down into the VHF band though. ;-)

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Lexridge:

yea, so you might as well be ready for it. ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ugh, I better get to bed, I've got to be to work early tomorrow – clients visiting from Canada... DOH! ;-) G'night guys. ;-)

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Lexridge:

cya man

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HRearden:

running trunk, I should be OK to upgrade qt to 4.5 rc1, right?

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sulx:

should

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wagnerrp:

seems WOL didnt work... well i didnt really expect it to

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wagnerrp:

down to the basement!

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Wicked:

hello all. anyone use xe emulator with mythgame? im trying to figure out how i can bind a key on my controller to quit the game..so i dont have to get up and goto the keyboard and exit xe that way

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wagnerrp:

you can always make a button on your remote run 'killall xe'

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what4893:

Does anyone here know if a reason or bug associated with a recording stopping prematurely? I had a 2hr recording that cut off after exactly 1hr tonight.

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justinh:

only if you don't have valid epg data

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justinh:

or if you reach the threshold you set for keeping disk space free

[07:05:34]

what4893:

Actually I just figured it out, thanks thought justinh. Turned out by default mythbunu uses NFS version 2

[07:05:39]

what4893:

which caps at 2GB files

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justinh:

or that. heh

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what4893:

:), yeah. Thx, just gotta figure out where to put the version 3 parameter

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justinh:

/etc/fstab ?

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justinh:

I really don't like what ubuntu have done with their disk sharing ui stuff, taking away the central control aspect. I configured shares in the ui that never appeared on the network & there was no trace of them in the config files

[07:08:23]

justinh:

suddenly it just occurred to me that maybe fuse had a part to play in that

[07:08:58]

what4893:

yeah, looking through my fstab, think I have to tack it on as a parameter

[07:09:08]

what4893:

Haven't done much with NFS or sharing in Ubuntu

[07:09:15]

what4893:

usually I'm mounting samba shares from my windows server

[07:09:28]

what4893:

that works great, figured there'd be quarks with my first venture into NFS

[07:11:00]

justinh:

in a file manager I selected my /myth dir & set it to share yet couldn't see it on the network. looked in /etc/exports & /etc/samba/smb.conf & it wasn't mentioned

[07:11:46]

what4893:

I setup mine manually using exports

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justinh:

unless there's some new-fangled ubuntu/linux share thing I've yet to learn about

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what4893:

and then fstab on the mounting side

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justinh:

yeah I do normally, but I was in there & thought I'd try it

[07:12:13]

justinh:

ended up doing it manually again though

[07:12:33]

what4893:

hehehe, yeah. I still don't fully trust the GUI implementation of most of those settings

[07:12:40]

what4893:

don't think they've been tested thoroughly yet

[07:12:57]

justinh:

I'd just love to know wtf it's doing

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what4893:

lol

[07:14:12]

what4893:

Sometimes linux develops a mind of its own, that's why its such a great hobby

[07:14:42]

what4893:

just gotta wait for my comm flagging job to finish, so I can test out my new version parameter

[07:15:18]

what4893:

What's your setup justinh?

[07:15:36]

what4893:

I'm running Mythbuntu with a primary backend, and a secondary backend/frontend

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justinh:

ubuntu hardy, compiled mythtv & plugins myself

[07:16:00]

what4893:

Nice

[07:16:21]

what4893:

I played with that trying to get a feel for it. I did the "myself" part in that my Primary Backend is a VM

[07:16:29]

what4893:

running on my fileserver

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justinh:

I don't like all the smoke & mirrors that come with the mythtv packaging

[07:16:43]

what4893:

yeah

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what4893:

I can understand that

[07:16:55]

what4893:

Downloads a ton of stuff

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justinh:

password randomisation, hand-holding...

[07:17:35]

what4893:

lol yep, I like mythbuntu for the simplicity

[07:17:38]

justinh:

PITA if you know what to do

[07:18:16]

justinh:

that said I'm only a control freak when it comes to mythtv. most other things I can get by with ready-made packages just fine :)

[07:18:16]

what4893:

I did the whole trying to manually setup for a while, finally just wanted it to work so I could start playing with it rather than playing to get it to work

[07:18:35]

what4893:

haha, yeah there isn't much I compile short of there not being a package for it

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justinh:

I mean if I wanted to build everything myself I'd not be using ubuntu ;)

[07:18:53]

what4893:

You'd be a gentoo person :)

[07:19:03]

justinh:

or slack

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what4893:

Been there and tried that myself drove me insane

[07:19:13]

what4893:

not my cup of tea

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justinh:

I built a slack system on a little STB form factor box that worked great

[07:19:57]

justinh:

paring slack down to the barest essentials isn't all that easy though, I found

[07:20:14]

justinh:

easiest way is to just start with 'everything' & go from there

[07:20:21]

justinh:

too easy to miss things otherwise

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justinh:

if you think about dependencies of mythtv from the very ground up... oof

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justinh:

there's a distro called minimyth you can pretty much customise how you like it.. that rolls in at about 256MB when it's all done

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what4893:

I have my frontend setup on an miniITX system with a dual core Atom

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what4893:

works great

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justinh:

the only thing about that is it can take a long, long time to make everything

[07:22:05]

what4893:

I installed the CoreAVC for Linux and can even get 720p and some 1080p running on it

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justinh:

VDPAU is going to change things for a lot of people :)

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what4893:

yeah, I'm waiting for that

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what4893:

tried it once early on with some luck

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what4893:

still too limited in the H264 codecs it supports

[07:22:59]

what4893:

but in the end that will be amazing

[07:23:05]

what4893:

low power cpus with nice graphics cards

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what4893:

and full 1080p

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justinh:

what do you mean too limited?

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what4893:

you can't play H264 encoded videos in mkv wrappers yet

[07:49:33]

what4893:

it only accelerates the playback of videos encoded with the vdpau codec for now

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what4893:

that'll change soon

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what4893:

unless it already has

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justinh:

wtf?

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justinh:

there is no vdpau codec

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justinh:

and the container should be immaterial

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what4893:

not when I tried it, there were 3 videos from nvidia that it worked on

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what4893:

at the time

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justinh:

besides, any 'mkv' stuff is likely a 'rip' gained from the internets

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what4893:

yeah

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what4893:

usually, or recorded HDTV from the internet

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justinh:

and is therefore irrelevant :)

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what4893:

well a codec that only decodes 3 videos from the maker doesn't do anybody much good :)

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justinh:

it's come a long way since then

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justinh:

even plays HDPVR recordings now

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what4893:

Like I said, I used it over 6 months ago

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justinh:

and problem videos are still being fed back & worked out

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what4893:

and in linux time that's an epoch

[07:53:00]

what4893:

I'll have to try it again

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what4893:

I'm a huge nvidia fan boy

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what4893:

so I'm all for it

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wagnerrp:

what4893: VDPAU didnt exist in the public 6 months ago

[08:13:23]

wagnerrp:

what4893: most of my dvd rips work using vdpau (since they were run using a profile built for my PS3)

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wagnerrp:

what4893: anything encoded following DXVA standards should work under VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

often times, encoder who dont know what theyre doing crank up things like reference frames, not understanding that past a couple, it makes no noticeable difference

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wagnerrp:

and in doing so, break compatibility with hardware decoders, which only have a limited buffer space to store those frames

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what4893:

ahhh, good to know. I'll have to check some of the files I was trying to play. Thanks for the info wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

theres no reason why matroska files wouldnt play... seems to be some issue with how the bitstream is set up and sent into the driver

[08:27:49]

wagnerrp:

should certainly be fixable

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justinh:

probably just encoded by dolts

[08:28:42]

wagnerrp:

justinh: i can take one of my mp4 files that works, repack it, and now it no longer works

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wagnerrp:

although i last tried that back in december

[08:29:02]

wagnerrp:

it may have been fixed since then

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laga:

wagnerrp: what do you use for playback? myth?

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wagnerrp:

myth, except for my older matroska rips which use mplayer (no vdpau)

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laga:

wagnerrp: well, mythtv doesnt work too well with mkv AFAIR. does it work in myth without vdpau?

[08:30:15]

wagnerrp:

i remember having some problems with them

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wagnerrp:

i dont recall what exactly

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justinh:

damnit. my mythweb is 'secure' but need the web root to be restricted too. just by IP.. that'd be nice. alas no

[08:33:06]

wagnerrp:

why not just make mythtv the webroot?

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wagnerrp:

restrict the whole v-server

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justinh:

that's what I'm trying to do

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justinh:

though not make mythweb the webroot

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justinh:

I like it where it is

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kormoc:

justinh, what are you after?

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justinh:

yay. my browser had been caching

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justinh:

and I forgot a Deny from all line

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justinh:

DUH

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justinh:

what I don't want is the bloody server & OS reported though.. they should turn that off

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kormoc:

ServerTokens Prod ?

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kormoc:

justinh, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.1/mod/core.html#servertokens

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justinh:

ServerTokens Minimal

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justinh:

thanks kormoc but I was on top of that one – just hadn't got round to changing it yet

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justinh:

normally one of the first things I do

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justinh:

hrm. might need a custom one

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justinh:

oops. Prod is least info.. let's see what that says

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justinh:

that'll do

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trevor:

hiya everyone... I'm having a DB issue with my mythtv server and was hoping to get some help...

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justinh:

we all live in hope

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trevor:

I'm almost finised porting my mythtvbackend from Slackware to Ubuntu. I *almost* have everything working ok, but I can't view live TV. mplayer /dev/video0 works great. The error I'm getting is:

[08:44:05]

trevor:

2009-02–18 00:36:05.183 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.

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trevor:

2009-02–18 00:36:05.184 EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 16:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo

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laga:

trevor: make sure the timezone and time is correct on both boxes

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trevor:

Now, I've read about this, and the solution seems to be to flush the database... but I've run a refresh-all and there's no effect.

[08:44:41]

trevor:

Client=server here.. :)

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trevor:

I did have to change the video device from /dev/v4l/video0 to /dev/video0... so I'm wondering if there's some kind of DB corruption issue. I actually copied the DB from the old server to the new one.

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laga:

how did you copy the DB?

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trevor:

mysqldump, mysql < file

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trevor:

The scheduling data, old config seems to have been moved forward just fine.

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justinh:

bloody hell. guy who was on about hacking the cisco phones here has managed to do it, but not before finding out that the routing was borked – he got IT to fix it & now he can reflash any phone on the network given the MAC address. lol

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trevor:

Lemme get that whole error on pastebin...

[08:47:12]

trevor:

http://pastebin.com/d54051c9a

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trevor:

There's a good 2–3 second delay after clicking WatchTV.

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trevor:

goes to black and then back to menu.

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laga:

justinh: and what can he do with these phones now?

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trevor:

(I'm happy that the LIRC PVR 150 IR blaster driver bit works just fine under Ubuntu.. thought that would be the hard bit... :)

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justinh:

laga: change the ringtones, unlock features etc

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laga:

justinh: sweet

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ball:

Are there ATSC tuners that work with MythTV (or is that dependent on the underlying OS)?

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justinh:

the latter

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ball:

On Linux, does MythTV work via V4L?

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trevor:

ball: yup

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trevor:

v4l gets the /dev/video0 driver working, mythtv works off of that.

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justinh:

see www.linuxtv.org and the wiki there to find out which ATSC tuners work in linux

[08:52:46]

ball:

Thanks, that's great.

[08:53:00]

justinh:

ATSC tuners won't appear at /dev/video0 though

[08:53:08]

justinh:

at least not the digital end

[08:53:11]

ball:

trevor: can there also be /dev/video1 (for multiple tuners)?

[08:53:27]

trevor:

I believe so ball... I just have a single tuner here though

[08:53:49]

** ball nods **

[08:54:07]

justinh:

which device node(s) your card(s) show up on depends on what type they are

[08:54:33]

** trevor ponders nuking his entire mythtv database and starting over. **

[08:54:35]

justinh:

my dvb-t tuners are /dev/dvb/adapter0 thru adapter2

[08:54:47]

trevor:

Might be the easiest way...

[08:54:48]

ball:

I'm probably stuck in my satellite contract for another year, but that gives me time to scrape together the hardware and hopefully test MythTV.

[08:55:10]

trevor:

ball, it's possible to record from the sattelite tuner using an IR blaster, but it's finicky.

[08:55:18]

trevor:

I'm recording from my Digital cable.

[08:55:31]

trevor:

but I have a failure rate of about 2% for changing the channel... :(

[08:55:59]

laga:

(better than my 100% failure rate for my recordings this month. gotta fix that..)

[08:56:03]

laga:

afk

[08:56:05]

trevor:

lol :)

[08:56:34]

trevor:

I'm curious about the latest Hauppauge Component video HDTV-PVR.. last I checked the drivers had a ways to go.

[08:57:20]

trevor:

anyways.. I think I'll try a complete db wipe.

[08:57:52]

trevor:

does mythtv-setup create the mythtv database? Or is that some other part of the process.

[08:58:29]

justinh:

what does the documentation say about that hmm?

[08:58:37]

justinh:

or did you just come here to avoid reading?

[08:58:59]

ball:

trevor: I anticipate using an ATSC tuner, though perhaps free-to-air satellite might offer something too.

[08:59:57]

ball:

Is MythTV reliable enough to put in front of Mrs. ball, or will it drive her nuts?

[09:00:30]

trevor:

well justinh ... mythtv wiki says I've backed this up properly.. but I guess I should go figure this out on my own then.

[09:00:34]

trevor:

later.

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trevor:

fixed... wiping the db fixed everything. :)

[09:36:43]

trevor:

I think there was a version mismatch.

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justinh:

hmmm. to hell with ebay in future. oxfam's music cds are cheeeep

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gbee:

how low?

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justinh:

almost current albums for less than a fiver

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gbee:

not bad

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justinh:

albums I swore I've owned at some point but can't find the discs for

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gbee:

at uni I used to buy from a guy who setup his stall once a week and was selling new albums for between £5–7, he got a lot of my money :)

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justinh:

hmmm this is also a good exercise from an insurance perspective. Having a complete inventory is good :)

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superdump:

hello

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superdump:

i'm looking at the dvb-t pci card list and wondering how i'm going to select one

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superdump:

are there any that are supported particularly well?

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** justinh points at the linuxtv.org wiki **

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superdump:

ah

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superdump:

thanks

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superdump:

i was looking for something like a ranking on mythtv.org

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superdump:

i'll have a look over there

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justinh:

pfft. that all depends on the user, kernel version.. etc etc etc

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gbee:

can't upload these screenshots to the wiki :/

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superdump:

justinh: as i haven't purchased the system yet, that's difficult to say

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superdump:

i'll be doing some mythtv development and my employer has requested that i also have a dvb-t card

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superdump:

i expect i will run debian unstable

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superdump:

and build mythtv from source

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sid3windr:

what are you going to develop? :D

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sid3windr:

I have a pinnacle pctv 300i

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sid3windr:

does what it's supposed to

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justinh:

nah what I mean is.. any table of 'supported' stuff always gets clogged up by people without a clue

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superdump:

oh i see

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justinh:

muh, couldn't get it to work :-\

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superdump:

that kind of comment

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superdump:

iptv stuff

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** justinh has little faith in users **

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superdump:

i guess they'll be providing me with some software to act as an iptv server

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gbee:

can't go wrong with something like the Hauppauge Nova-T, but the list of cards that is equally well supported is _long_

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superdump:

and so it would be helpful to have some live tv streams coming in

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superdump:

right

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** AndyCap is very happy that his HVR-900 was plug and play, but I won't comment on it working with mythtv since it's my travel-tv card. **

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superdump:

the nova-t 500 seems to be mentioned everywhere

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superdump:

i'll see if i can find one

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justinh:

what does dvb-t have to do with iptv?

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gbee:

if it works with linux, i.e. drivers exist, then there is no reason it shouldn't work with MythTV

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AndyCap:

And for all I know they've changed the inner workings of it since I bought one.

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gbee:

superdump: yeah I've got a Nova-T 500, dual tuner version of the Nova-T, so long as you enable the onboard amplifier and use a very recent kernel it should work fine

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gbee:

the amp is disabled by default in the driver (for some stupid reason), takes a module arg to enable it

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superdump:

justinh: like i said, they'll probably provide me with some software to take a dvb stream and convert it to the appropriate format for the iptv broadcast

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superdump:

gbee: ok, noted. how recent is recent?

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gbee:

I'd suggest anything from 2.6.25 up, but fixes for that driver have been going in with every release, so the higher the better

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justinh:

or you can grab bits from their hg repo

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superdump:

ok

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gbee:

just to be clear, I'm running a Nova-T in a production machine with 2.6.24 just fine, but the driver has had a history of instability and the workarounds to avoid those issues are probably not what you want to be spending your time on

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gbee:

therefore, go with a more recent kernel and you may save yourself some effort

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gbee:

anyone have a MediaPortal/STB/Freevo/MCE/Other (except XBMC) screen they want to see in the Mimic theme? So far all anyone has given me are XBMC screens/themes

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justinh:

xbmc is probably the only one worth copying tbh

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gbee:

for looks maybe, but as a demonstration of flexibility/features there must be something else in another app

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Dibblah:

gbee: You're doing requests now? Are you mad? ;)

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laga:

i wantg a pony

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Dibblah:

gbee: I wouldn't mind ballistic scrolling. ;)

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gbee:

might look at copying a Virgin Media OnDemand screen, just towards that end and to show those who like STB type interfaces that it can be done

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gbee:

Dibblah: heh

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justinh:

Dibblah: smooth scrolling first!

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Dibblah:

Smooth scrolling is difficult :(

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justinh:

ballistic scrolling wouldn't be any use without it though

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gbee:

I'm merely looking at imitating the look of other devices/software right now, animation features which don't already exist will have to wait for a while

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gbee:

e.g. http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mimic_mediastream2.png http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mimic_aeon.png

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gbee:

which imitate the Mediastream and Aeon themes respectively

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gbee:

guess I'll make up my own list then

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laga:

grr. internets no worky well today

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gbee:

heh, well Freevo really isn't worth copying, looks worse than most mythtv themes and suspiciously unthemable judging by google image results

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gbee:

wonder what the attraction of Freevo is then, clearly it's not looks and I believe it's not features

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justinh:

rhymes with Tivo :P

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sulx:

Freebo...

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justinh:

meebo?

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gbee:

must be channel change times

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gbee:

:p

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gbee:

reminds me, must copy a Tivo screen

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gbee:

oops, I'm running late

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justinh:

ah. (*it)->ExpandArea(I have no idea); ... why won't that compile. lol

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justinh:

can't believe I'd not figured out why that new method I cobbled together didn't compile sooner

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justinh:

sheesh

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superdump:

gbee: would it be reasonable to run a distribution-installed 0.21-fixes alongside a 'working' (as in i'll be patching it) 0.22 /usr/local build?

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superdump:

if you see what i mean

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superdump:

i'm sure as soon as i get mythtv up and running i'm going to be hooked and i'll be scheduling stuff left right and centre

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superdump:

so i'll need a stable installation for when i have guests else they'll complain when i spend all evening trying to fix what i broke instead of watching a film with them

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superdump:

hehe

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justinh:

superdump: it's doable

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justinh:

but with a different database & different runtime library paths

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justinh:

superdump: http://squashedfrog.net/article.php?story=20080615193047206

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superdump:

ok, cool

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justinh:

it's much easier to use a different machine though

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justinh:

why I <3 my laptop reason #35

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ivor:

justinh: fyi got the freesat sorted out.

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justinh:

cool

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superdump:

hehehe

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ivor:

justinh: lnb mount was incorrectly manufactured! moved it back 1" and whoosh.

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superdump:

gbee: http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mimic_mediastream2.png <--- '0 episodes' doesn't really make sense for films ;)

[12:53:45]

justinh:

heh

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justinh:

superdump: it's called a proof of concept

[12:54:08]

superdump:

hence the ;)

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ivor:

HD goodness here we come...

[12:54:39]

justinh:

hrm. need to consult doxygen about an alternative to SetDrawRectSize ...

[12:54:39]

superdump:

i wouldn't mind some freesat lovin' but we don't have a dish

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jduggan:

superdump: 60cm eliptical with lnb/mount brackets/cable for 30quid delivered on ebay

[12:55:44]

ivor:

ladders, drill, screwdriver, cable.....

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ivor:

[12:59:04]

jduggan:

ivor: with all mounts and cables?

[12:59:29]

ivor:

wall mounts, you need to run your own cable.

[12:59:39]

jduggan:

43cm have more problems with weather also, better to get 60cm :D

[13:00:32]

ivor:

jduggan: if you've got clear line of site you shouldn't have any trouble with 43cm and astra

[13:00:42]

ivor:

but yeah it's easier with a big one.

[13:00:55]

ivor:

got a 2m one in the garage I used to use!

[13:01:10]

justinh:

bugger

[13:01:32]

justinh:

need to convert x & y sizes to a MythRect

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justinh:

ah now I remember where I was up to. I hadn't got around to calculating the button positions per button width

[13:16:48]

justinh:

I'd need to iterate through each one & find out how big it is rather than just assume one of 'active width' or 'selected width'

[13:17:20]

justinh:

still need to work out how to set the area rather than the drawing size though

[13:17:38]

justinh:

but, it's compiling again which has made me feel better about it :)

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justinh:

anykey_: you around?

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baltus:

Is it ok to ask some DVB hardware related questions related to MythV in this forum?

[13:30:08]

justinh:

it's never ok to ask questions about asking questions :P

[13:30:11]

justinh:

just ask

[13:30:34]

baltus:

I have 4 terratec S2 DVB-S cards and the mantis driver

[13:30:44]

baltus:

I have problem after some minutes of scanning

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baltus:

mantis_ack_wait (3): Slave RACK Fail !

[13:31:01]

baltus:

I have patched the mantis driver but it did not help

[13:31:07]

justinh:

dvb-s2 isn't supported by mythtv-0.21

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baltus:

could it be a hardware problem?

[13:31:23]

[Peter]:

justinh: you can use them for DVB-S as well

[13:31:50]

justinh:

baltus: do the dvbapps utilities work?

[13:31:53]

[Peter]:

baltus: I've tried one of those cards and had the same problem. I replaced it after goofing around with it for a week without improvement

[13:31:54]

baltus:

I have used the scan-s2 application to make channels.conf

[13:33:32]

Dibblah:

Now that's entertainment.

[13:33:50]

baltus:

I have used the s2-liplianin sources

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[Peter]:

when that Slave RACK Fail started happening I needed to power down the box to get it to work again

[13:34:11]

baltus:

I use 2.6.28 kernel and gentoo

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[Peter]:

reboot was not enough

[13:34:23]

Dibblah:

The "I'm leaving the -users list" announcement has turned into a discussion of why someone should be allowed to post in HTML, because it "really doesn't matter how much storage it uses".

[13:34:37]

Dibblah:

There's a word for that, but I can't think of it for the moment.

[13:34:53]

ivor:

I can think of loads of words for it

[13:35:19]

justinh:

I might petition virgin media to block me from accessing gossamer threads

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baltus:

I patched the mantis_dvb.c with:

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baltus:

if (!lnbp21_attach(mantis->fe, &mantis->adapter, LNBP21_PCL , LNBP21_LLC | LNBP21_ISEL | LNBP21_TEN)) {

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baltus:

> printk("%s: No LNBP21 found!\n", __FUNCTION__);

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baltus:

> mantis->fe = NULL;

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baltus:

> }

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justinh:

pastebin!

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ivor:

baltus: just guessing but this looks more like the kind of issue you'll get more assistance with at linuxtv.org

[13:36:32]

ivor:

there seem to be a few threads discussing the "slave rack fail" message

[13:36:36]

baltus:

OK, I'll try there, thankx

[13:40:18]

superdump:

does the hauppauge nova-t support the multirec thing?

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justinh:

yes

[13:42:46]

superdump:

good

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superdump:

is there anything special that's required for a card to support that? just in case i can't get a nova-t

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justinh:

the majority of modern PCI dvb-t tuners will work with it

[13:43:55]

justinh:

there aren't many that won't, put it that way

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justinh:

not PCI ones :)

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justinh:

USB on the other hand.. plenty of those that won't. hardware PID filtering you can't disable, that kind of schtick

[13:45:04]

superdump:

i see

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superdump:

lame

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justinh:

indeed :)

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Dibblah:

Uhm... Hardware PID filters are mandatory on certain sticks for good reason.

[13:49:32]

Dibblah:

USB just doesn't have the bandwidth...

[13:49:36]

Dibblah:

USB 1.1, I mean.

[13:49:47]

anykey_:

justinh: yes

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superdump:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/113946

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superdump:

bingo

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justinh:

anykey_: do you know how to change your patch to use SetArea rather than SetDrawRect ?

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anykey_:

Not right now

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justinh:

setarea needs a mythrect as opposed to x & y ints

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Dibblah:

superdump: That's the USB stick, right?

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superdump:

nope

[13:51:32]

superdump:

pci card

[13:51:47]

superdump:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/121759

[13:51:50]

superdump:

that's the usb stick

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justinh:

nova-td 500 is no use

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Exposure:

channel scanners keeps adding wrong transport streams to dtv_multiplex, looks like the db supports networkid but parts of mythtv like the scanner don't, am I correct?

[13:52:17]

Dibblah:

Exposure: No.

[13:52:18]

justinh:

or rather, a new version of it is, but you can't know which you're buying

[13:52:22]

Dibblah:

Not entirely.

[13:52:38]

ivor:

justinh: eh? which nova-t is that?

[13:52:47]

Dibblah:

Myth has no concept of NetID.

[13:52:55]

Dibblah:

There's a patch in Trac, though.

[13:52:57]

justinh:

oops. newer version is useful, older one will never work in linux

[13:53:13]

Exposure:

if myth has no concept of it, why is there db field?

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ivor:

justinh: is that older as in "really really" old?

[13:53:31]

ivor:

I've got a nova-td that I've had for years.

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justinh:

as in early TD versions shipped in place of nova-t 500 cards

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justinh:

but godknows which suppliers have left in stock

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ivor:

ah. no idea. I thought the "D" stood for dual.

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superdump:

justinh: so ordering that isn't necessarily a good idea?

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justinh:

no, the nova-T 500 was always dual

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justinh:

the D stands for Diversity – i.e. 2 aerial sockets

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superdump:

oh

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justinh:

early TD-500 cards will not work and will likely never work in linux

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anykey_:

justinh: would it change anything (using SetArea)?

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justinh:

I've heard that newer ones are supported though, so good luck

[13:55:16]

ivor:

yeah mine's fine.

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superdump:

does that mean you have to connect two aerials? or can you connect one and it will use the same for both unless another is connected?

[13:55:22]

justinh:

anykey_: you're only setting the drawarea. that's no good

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Exposure:

also, channel ordering in groups (favorites) would be nice, is there some way to do this?

[13:55:35]

justinh:

need to set the actual area it occupies

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justinh:

I suspected as much when I looked at it the 1st time and gbee confirmed it a couple of weeks ago

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superdump:

i wouldn't mind if i could connect one aerial and there were some pass-through aerial out so i could connect the other to my tv

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superdump:

then i'd have three tuners ;)

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justinh:

superdump: every time you split an aerial feed once you halve the signal

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superdump:

so the signal reaching the tv would likely be poor

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justinh:

so one aerial split two ways... each output gets half

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justinh:

4 way split.. each output is a quarter.. likely to be even less too

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superdump:

we've only just had a new aerial fitted and the dude said the signal was at the upper end of strong with the splitting we have

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justinh:

if you're doing more than a 2-way split you really need an amp

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Dibblah:

Exposure: You're misunderstanding the terms.

[13:57:50]

justinh:

never take that for granted

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superdump:

ok, noted

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justinh:

aerial dudes talk a lot of bollocks

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Dibblah:

Look at the tickets for more detail.

[13:58:10]

superdump:

hehehe

[13:58:14]

justinh:

*tradesmen

[13:58:18]

superdump:

indeed

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jduggan:

years ago i tried splitting signals with a splitter, one used to look great the other extremely poor, like one side was getting way more than half the signal

[13:58:46]

justinh:

sharp intake of breath through pursed lips.... Ooooooo which cowboy did this?!

[13:59:01]

ivor:

uncanny. :) like a true professional.

[13:59:05]

justinh:

anykey_: no worries anyway. I'll prolly be able to fuggle it out

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** J-e-f-f-A|work unless you live just 15 miles from the transmitters and have a 75-mile antenna on the roof... then you can split it 4 ways and still get 90% signal strength with no amp. ;-) **

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justinh:

then one day somebody can look at my code & say "Ooooooo which cowboy did this?!"

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ivor:

justinh: I get that all the time

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A|work: reflections can still be a problem

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justinh:

impedance matching is important

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Dibblah:

J-e-f-f-A|work: That still doesn't negate what justinh said.

[14:01:22]

Dibblah:

A dumb splitter will hardly ever give you the results you want.

[14:01:25]

** stuarta waves generally **

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Dibblah:

And a cheap amp won't either.

[14:01:41]

** Dibblah waves specifically. **

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justinh:

afternoon stuarta

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Exposure:

Dibblah: happen to have an url to the ticket?

[14:01:52]

stuarta:

afternoon

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: yep, 300->75 at the antenna, RG6 all the way to the basement, high quality 4-way splitter into a HD-HomeRun and a couple of other cards on test boxes. Since yesterday (the 'original' digital switchover), my signal. strengths went from the 70's to the 90's.

[14:03:47]

Exposure:

Dibblah: i'm finding one old ticket about incorrect frequencies but no mention of network id

[14:04:10]

Dibblah:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3640

[14:04:17]

Exposure:

yeah that's the one

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justinh:

300R antennas? muppetry

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Dibblah:

Exposure: It's current.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: UHF Yagi angenna... 40" long. ;-)

[14:05:02]

Exposure:

it doesn't describe the problem I'm having

[14:05:06]

Exposure:

it's related though

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justinh:

jeebus

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Dibblah:

It bloody does. Read it.

[14:05:22]

Exposure:

but the frequencies are incorrect because it scans the incorrect net id

[14:05:28]

** stuarta gets justinh a chair **

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justinh:

and people said the one I took to LRL was a biggun. heh

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Dibblah:

.... Uhuh. Read.

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justinh:

hmm I need a kvm switch so I can look like I'm working when really I'm on my laptop

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: http://rsk.imageg.net/graphics/product_images . . . 5531w345.jpg

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justinh:

saw some weird dvb-t aerials on holiday in greece a few years ago

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justinh:

parabolic UHF ones

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justinh:

never seen the likes before!

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: Something like this one? This is Lexridge's Antenna here in the states: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103088

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stuarta:

admitting to aerial spotting may not be good for your strret cred!

[14:11:24]

justinh:

what street cred?

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AndyCap:

only in certain groups. :P

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justinh:

the day I care what people think about my hobbies, the day I've lost a parabolics

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justinh:

;)

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ivor:

justinh: how big were the parabolics? what was the pickup?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: yeah, My dad had like a 5' or 6' UHF Parabolic when I was little... We left it behind when we moved across contry in 1981... thing was huge!

[14:13:36]

Alxx:

Do you have to tell the internal player what aspect ratio the screen is?

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ivor:

doodles on an envelope. it'd have to be fricking huge

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justinh:

ivor: pickup was a special directional broadcast for expats

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sphery:

Alxx: no, it finds out from X

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justinh:

a locally provided package of Sly etc

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justinh:

we were renting a villa :)

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sphery:

Alxx: but, if you have Xinerama enabled (and many distros enable it by default), you have to tell Myth (because it won't know which aspect is right)

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justinh:

private pool etc. Cheaper than you might think :D

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sphery:

Alxx: If you need to specify aspect ratio, there will be a setting, "Monitor Aspect Ratio," in frontend Appearance settings. If that setting is not there, you don't need to specify.

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Alxx:

aah, it not looking right might tie up with an X upgrade :)

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Alxx:

will check later then

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superdump:

justinh: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php . . . p;subcat=169 there's also this available

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Alxx:

Option"Xinerama" "true"

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Alxx:

that one then :)

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stuarta:

ooo

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** stuarta needs another dvb-t card **

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** stuarta check linuxtv compatibility **

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Alxx:

would a lack of Xinerama also explain some mythvideo videos not being full screen?

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janneg:

stuarta: that seems to be supported

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janneg:

linux/drivers/media/video/saa7134/saa7134-cards.c has "Compro VideoMate T750",

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stuarta:

ahh, always goto the source...

[14:31:20]

** stuarta wonders if there is support for Peak Dual dvb-t cards **

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Dibblah:

stuarta: I have a large stock (okay, 8) EC168 based DVB-t cards.

[14:32:09]

stuarta:

bloody ek

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stuarta:

eck

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Dibblah:

Cost was around £10 each.

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justinh:

stuarta: maplin's dual USB dvb-t tuner for £25 works great :)

[14:32:34]

Dibblah:

Of course, they're not fully supported yet ;)

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stuarta:

justinh: i currently despise usb tuners

[14:33:24]

stuarta:

no real reason mind, other than their support has always been behind pci cards

[14:33:26]

justinh:

I've not even used mine in anger yet

[14:33:49]

superdump:

are you guys mostly in the UK or something? :)

[14:34:04]

stuarta:

quite a few of us, yes

[14:34:14]

ivor:

it's where it's all happening....

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janneg:

stuarta: maybe only single tuner supported http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards#KWorld

[14:35:22]

stuarta:

yeah, have seen that

[14:35:33]

stuarta:

they are only about 20quid new

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superdump:

janneg: i was the one pasting you the links to those cards :)

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superdump:

i think you auto-completed the wrong person

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superdump:

unless stuarta was also interested

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** superdump is in the uk too, if people hadn't noticed **

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superdump:

hmm

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superdump:

still, no confirmations on "this card definitely works well"

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superdump:

for any of those

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superdump:

just the compro t750 in the source and some queries on the linuxtv ml

[15:18:57]

** stuarta is looking for another card too :) **

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superdump:

if you find anything let me know

[15:20:39]

superdump:

and i'll do the same :)

[15:21:15]

justinh:

that Maplin dual usb thing is worth a punt

[15:21:21]

justinh:

you can always take it back :)

[15:21:29]

superdump:

lol

[15:21:48]

justinh:

hey, consumer rights & all that jazz

[15:24:00]

superdump:

true

[15:24:17]

superdump:

stuarta: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/KWORLD-DVBT-PC . . . -and-capture less than half the price of maplins for the same card

[15:24:35]

superdump:

as far as i can tell

[15:24:48]

superdump:

oh no

[15:24:51]

superdump:

i tell a lie

[15:24:58]

superdump:

the one on maplin is pci-e

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** superdump keeps hunting around **

[15:25:32]

stuarta:

there's one made by "peak" which is basically that card for 20 quid

[15:25:58]

stuarta:

can't find much in the mailing lists except some wibbling about the 2nd tuner not coming up on a warm start

[15:26:18]

janneg:

DVB might be not supported on the T750

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stuarta:

eek!

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justinh:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=222858

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justinh:

works :)

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stuarta:

what sort of a remote is that?

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justinh:

the usb stick has an ir receiver build into the body

[15:29:14]

janneg:

or to be precise I'm pretty sure that it is not supported and compro seems to label different hardware as T750

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superdump:

there's a t750f as well

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stuarta:

might just have to splash the cash on the nova t-500 dual since it includes an mce remote

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superdump:

stuarta: where from? ebuyer?

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unimaginatve:

Gah, I still havent been able to watch KRIV in HD on this one frontend.

[15:40:33]

stuarta:

quite a few places

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superdump:

stuarta: if you do order one, let me know if it works in linux and if it does i'll probably grab one too

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stuarta:

we _know_ the nova-t 500 work okay. gbee has one

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** stuarta pokes gbee **

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** janneg has two and they work reliable **

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janneg:

but Hauppauge sells now Nova-T_D_ 500

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stuarta:

have they just renamed it?

[15:46:18]

superdump:

http://www.saverstore.com/productinfo/Product . . . rstrat=13410

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stuarta:

to reflect the _D_ual nature of the card

[15:47:17]

janneg:

no, it's slightly different hardware since it supports _d_iversity

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stuarta:

what does that do?

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janneg:

improved reception by coupling two tuners

[15:48:35]

janneg:

not supported by the linux drivers

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stuarta:

:(

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janneg:

the card works as normal dual card though

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superdump:

janneg: i thought justinh said it was only the earlier revisions of the TD that were not supported

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superdump:

ok

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janneg:

only th diversity function is unsupported

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superdump:

so all versions of the TD work in dual tuner mode?

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unimaginatve:

I wonder how hard it would be to get mythvideo to play videos inside of compressed zip/rar/tar

[15:51:25]

stuarta:

that is a stupid concept

[15:51:49]

superdump:

audio and video streams are already entropy coded

[15:51:55]

stuarta:

have you ever compared the size of an encoded video vs zip/rar/tar of same

[15:52:07]

JEDIDIAH__:

who owns the Terra theme?

[15:52:16]

** stuarta blames gbee **

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GreyFoxx:

JEDIDIAH__: It's gbee's work in progress

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** JEDIDIAH__ will whine at gbee later **

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stuarta:

ugg, 91 quid for a dvb-s2 card :(

[15:53:15]

stuarta:

try nice suggestions instead

[15:53:36]

unimaginatve:

stuarta: agreed, but the wife still insists rar'ing her vids.

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superdump:

tell her not to

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GreyFoxx:

bullshit

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GreyFoxx:

noone RARS their files unless transmitting in small pieces

[15:54:16]

GreyFoxx:

lets be honest here :)

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stuarta:

and there's only one reason for that

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** stuarta waggles the finger of doom **

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superdump:

and it's not bittorrent

[15:54:57]

GreyFoxx:

It's like zipping an jpeg

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GreyFoxx:

you end up with identical if not bigger files

[15:55:43]

unimaginatve:

meh, I was trying to be somewhat subtle. We all know why videos are rar'ed and could we leave it at that?

[15:56:02]

superdump:

unrar?

[15:56:02]

GreyFoxx:

Hey I wasn't gonna say anything until you tried to play that excuse :)

[15:56:11]

GreyFoxx:

But yeah we all know why

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GreyFoxx:

As for how difficult to actually acheive.... dunno actually

[15:56:49]

GreyFoxx:

As long as you had a library that allowed arbitrary seeking it would likely be doable

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iamlindoro_:

"Not." But still, why waste time on a feature that only benefits thieves?

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unimaginatve:

It was an idea.

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iamlindoro_:

So was the holocaust

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GreyFoxx:

I see gbee's mimic of that mainstream shot is coming along nicely :)

[15:57:51]

unimaginatve:

But what about all the good things Hitler did?

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iamlindoro_:

*cricket*

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unimaginatve:

Volkswagen was a great idea.

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janneg:

superdump: all currently sold as new Nova-TD 500 should be supported as dual cards

[16:04:04]

superdump:

janneg: good. so what is the diversity functionality?

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stuarta:

read up

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superdump:

i saw "improved reception by coupling two tuners"

[16:06:50]

superdump:

but what does that mean? one aerial for two tuners?

[16:07:08]

superdump:

two aerials for two tuners but one tuner can use either/both aerials?

[16:07:11]

janneg:

superdump: http://www.teamcast.com/data/upload/files/BIB . . . _J5RoETZ.pdf

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hadees:

the only good thing Hilter did was shoot himself in the head

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JEDIDIAH__:

can i put borders around the ui elements in mythui? I am trying to keep track of widgets that aren't visible due to lack of data and the non-visible parts of the ones that do have data.

[16:10:44]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

[ot] Wow, I'm quite impressed with the Google Chrome browser so far... it loads my recorded programs page in just a few seconds, even with 706 recorded programs!!!!! (thumbnails are coming in slowly, but hey, the rest of the page is there...)

[16:11:10]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: That's not chrome, it's mythweb-- was recently modified to load the thumbnails after the page

[16:11:37]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Even 0.21-fixes?

[16:11:47]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Trunk only AFAIK

[16:12:17]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: (unless it got backpoted, i don't usually pay attention to the fixes commits)

[16:12:20]

iamlindoro_:

backported

[16:12:37]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: That's still a very welcome change... I do recall commenting out the thumbnails once (a long time ago) when there was an issue with them, and my recordings page would pop up in 3 seconds...

[16:12:56]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Yeah, kormoc has done a lot recently to make it lightning quick

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** J-e-f-f-A|work thanks kormoc ;-) **

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** JEDIDIAH__ passes kormoc the virtual beverage of his choice. **

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JEDIDIAH__:

is there a mythui theming manual somewhere?

[16:14:16]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: I had made some changes to my mythweb setup at one point, iirc, fully qualifying the icon paths, etc, and it helped quite a bit too. (around the same time)

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: I am SHOCKED that noone required to your email on the Leaving thread

[16:41:56]

GreyFoxx:

I expected you to get flamed heh

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gbee:

JEDIDIAH__: no, haven't had time to write one

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: So did I-- instead the entire thread has spent 30ish messages totally missing the point of his departure

[16:43:49]

JEDIDIAH__:

blind hacking seems to work well enough for now.

[16:44:08]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: But having read it again a few times since I stand by what I wrote :)

[16:44:46]

JEDIDIAH__:

the terra tree widget has problems. on my setup it puts text over top the top border. It looks kinda like the default theme was dropped in there and not modified.

[16:45:02]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: half read your dicussion with Chutt last night, what you want to do should be possible, but Chutt is also right about the way the slipping works

[16:45:07]

gbee:

clipping

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: It seemed wise not to argue too much

[16:45:37]

gbee:

JEDIDIAH__: Terra is not finished, it's barely even started

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gbee:

haven't even touched the Video List view

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thefRont:

hey there

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thefRont:

is there a convenient way of splitting one recording into multiple recordings?

[16:48:05]

gbee:

dd with values taken from a cutlist

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wagnerrp:

mpeg files dont mind being arbitrarily cut like that?

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iamlindoro_:

as long as they're TS they don't

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gbee:

transport streams don't

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stuarta:

it's no different to your tv tuning in to the broadcast at a random point

[16:50:16]

gbee:

after all that's exactly what you are doing when recording a random timeframe

[16:50:52]

thefRont:

sounds not very convenient but I will try that

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wagnerrp:

so youre still going to lose the data between the cutpoint and the next I-frame

[16:51:16]

stuarta:

partially yes

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gbee:

less than a second of video, sure

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iamlindoro_:

The best way to ensure good edits is to get to your cutpoint, then switch to keyframe mode and set the cutpoint to the nearest keyframe

[16:52:54]

iamlindoro_:

It's also a way to do lossless h.264 edits, by the by

[16:53:01]

iamlindoro_:

(when in TS, that is)

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wagnerrp:

seems the replacement card should be in tomorrow

[16:54:48]

wagnerrp:

so Brad kicks off a massive thread with the words 'please dont reply'?

[16:55:22]

iamlindoro_:

And nearly every reply is totally oblivious to the reason he left the list

[16:55:32]

gbee:

is this yet another -users thread that I don't want to know about?

[16:55:48]

iamlindoro_:

They have somehow concluded that his departure has something to do with top-posting/HTML e-mail/other random stuff

[16:56:06]

iamlindoro_:

gbee: It's not too bad, just a great example of how dense some people are

[16:58:04]

GreyFoxx:

wagnerrp: At work I often have to send "test" emails to accounts and in EVERY single one I say please ignore this, no need to reply

[16:58:09]

GreyFoxx:

and in EVERY single one....they reply

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GreyFoxx:

It's been arunning joke for like 10 years now

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GreyFoxx:

every one I've ever sent for a econd, and we're talking thousands

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GreyFoxx:

has had the person reply

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gbee:

heh, clearly no-one like me there then, I don't even remember/bother to reply to the emails that demand replies

[16:59:52]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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thefRont:

:)

[17:01:19]

gbee:

ooh, spam offering me a Russian mail order bride

[17:02:17]

wagnerrp:

ive been getting a glut of russian spam recently

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thefRont:

hmm... i think I will try avidemux to cut and reencode

[17:02:31]

wagnerrp:

a bit of a problem, considering i dont speak russian

[17:02:40]

** jams wonders if its really spam ... **

[17:02:41]

wagnerrp:

or even know the Cyrillic alphabet

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gbee:

heh

[17:04:21]

gbee:

includes a picture – "http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/174/47765358rr0.jpg"

[17:04:23]

JEDIDIAH__:

the spammers aren't even bothering to spam you in your own language, eh? I get a lot of german spam for some strange reason.

[17:04:46]

gbee:

"Our client miss Anna, 25 years old from Saint Petersburg, Russia."

[17:05:08]

[Peter]:

gbee: I've been getting a lot of those lately as well :)

[17:05:33]

sphery:

wonder if shipping is cheaper for you since you're closer to Russia... :)

[17:06:09]

gbee:

:D

[17:06:50]

GreyFoxx:

Lately here at work we've been getting a lot of Russian spam

[17:06:56]

iamlindoro_:

Maybe you could get a 2 for 1 deal

[17:08:11]

wagnerrp:

only if you live in utah

[17:08:24]

JEDIDIAH__:

If you're in Europe, just visit London and have some tea. No need to import anyone. Russian professionals have been fleeing elsewhere for years.

[17:08:36]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: regardthing that thread, "FYI, one of the great things about "leaving" the list is that you can top post whenever you feel like it."

[17:08:38]

JEDIDIAH__:

nah. state of utah caved.

[17:08:50]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: yeah, who knew?

[17:09:16]

sphery:

it's amazing how many people on the list must have left the list, then.

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laga:

sphery: rotfl

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I'm much more annoyed by the total missing of the point of the original message

[17:10:18]

JEDIDIAH__:

I was amused by the fellow on several lists that had never run into the bottom posting rule.

[17:10:54]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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sphery:

yeah, I think I better understand why he left after getting half-way through the thread last night.

[17:11:02]

GreyFoxx:

your business office lists don't count :)

[17:11:24]

sphery:

I thought businesses "had" to use top-posting because they use Exchange/Outlook

[17:11:49]

JEDIDIAH__:

not sure about "had". It will certainly make it more likely. People tend to use defaults.

[17:11:49]

GreyFoxx:

That's just laziness :)

[17:11:54]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

I'm just old school. And back in the dialup bbs days if you posted to conferences without proper trimming and mixed comments you got a lot of shit

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GreyFoxx:

So it's "obvious" to me to trim out anything I'm not specifically replying to or is required to make my response understandable, and to do so in a properly readable manner

[17:14:12]

JEDIDIAH__:

The trick is that you have n+1 different versions of what that means.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

BBS... memories... I used to run a BBS on my TI 99/4A with a 20MB hard disk... Many moons ago... (1990/1991)

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.geektonic.com/2009/02/mythtv-versus-sagetv.html

[17:15:56]

iamlindoro_:

Ruh oh

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iamlindoro_:

Well *that* won't be volatile

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

re: trimming replies – Partially because the Gmail web reader hides quoted text by default, and I forget to expand & trim it...

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Hehe

[17:17:22]

GreyFoxx:

and likely full of mistakes :)

[17:17:33]

sphery:

I'm confused... Someone is giving up on VDPAU. Does that mean it might possibly not be the Holy Grail?

[17:17:56]

GreyFoxx:

I love users comparing stuff worked on in peoples spare time to full on commercial projects with money/staff

[17:18:06]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

GreyFoxx: Especially since a line in the first paragraph states "Now I have zero experience with MythTV and very limited experience with Linux."

[17:19:28]

JEDIDIAH__:

mebbe some people shouldn't use stuff that hasn't really been released yet...

[17:19:31]

sphery:

which makes that person the /perfect/ person to say why Sage rocks and Myth sucks

[17:19:57]

GreyFoxx:

JEDIDIAH__: Yeah, givving up on alpha code... hahahah

[17:20:13]

wagnerrp:

well placeshifting was added in mythweb, youtube was added in a 3rd party patch...

[17:20:25]

wagnerrp:

no idea what this 'personalized intelligent scheduling' is

[17:20:27]

iamlindoro_:

The two linked articles are remarkably fair, to my surprise

[17:20:30]

JEDIDIAH__:

I had to build Janne's driver myself. "oh the humanity"

[17:20:57]

sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: yeah, it's too early to make any real decisions, but then again, it was probably too early for many to start playing with it (especially those who went out and bought hardware specifically for a feature with unknown/not-well-defined requirements because its feature set/support is incomplete)

[17:20:58]

iamlindoro_:

and amusingly bags on the Sage TV UI... there's a new twist :)

[17:21:10]

JEDIDIAH__:

The sage vs. myth article didn't seem to have any real useful information to i.

[17:21:11]

JEDIDIAH__:

it

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** JEDIDIAH__ managed to have a vdpau card quite by accident. **

[17:22:05]

GreyFoxx:

Same here :)

[17:22:40]

wagnerrp:

'sagetv is written in java'... ugh...

[17:22:40]

JEDIDIAH__:

...which reminds me. mythvideo in trunk seems to not acknowledge db changes without a total restart of mythfrontend. What gives?

[17:23:02]

iamlindoro_:

You don't need to restart frontend, just leave the plugin and count to five

[17:23:03]

wagnerrp:

how do they manage video playback? obviously the decode/display code is not written in java

[17:23:21]

iamlindoro_:

The DB cache needs to die, which takes five seconds outside of MythVideo

[17:23:21]

JEDIDIAH__:

ok, something else to add to the "bag o tricks"

[17:23:24]

GreyFoxx:

JEDIDIAH__: It's a caching thing

[17:23:27]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

[17:23:41]

GreyFoxx:

I think Anduin plans on doing something about that before 0.22

[17:23:49]

JEDIDIAH__:

...didn't have to do that with the last version of trunk I pulled down.

[17:24:35]

GreyFoxx:

It's been there since the Mythui port

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GreyFoxx:

or around then

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Anduin:

You had to for any recent version and yes it is a bug, will be fixed before the release, feel free to open a ticket with a commit ready patch

[17:27:18]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: All the comments so far are from sagetv users...

[17:27:55]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: It's tough to expect a fair assessment as almost any reviewer will be coming from a level of great experience with one or the other

[17:28:55]

GreyFoxx:

I gotta say though the article seemed quite fair to both

[17:28:59]

sphery:

yeah, it turns out that the guy who said he had no Linux experience was only talking about the article that was written by a guy with a lot of Linux/Myth experience (and, presumably, much less Sage experience)

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GreyFoxx:

suprising :)

[17:29:14]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: I did find his comment curious that SD's $20/year would somehow add up to the cost of SageTV... Huh?

[17:29:24]

iamlindoro_:

Yes, quite fair, and thankfully didn't decide on a "winner" in the end

[17:30:19]

wagnerrp:

what is this 'sage hd theater'? did they license some hardware decoder playform and adapt their frontend to it?

[17:30:26]

GreyFoxx:

yeah they did

[17:30:46]

sphery:

I still want to know what the Personalized Intelligent Scheduling that wagnerrp mentioned is... What the PIS could (it) be?

[17:30:50]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

On a side note, FIoS is getting closer to the Myth model... being able to stream recordings to any of the other STBs in the house...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: Probably along the lines of Tivo's 'wish list' type stuff...

[17:32:05]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

"You might also like" ;-)

[17:32:14]

JEDIDIAH__:

that's "suggestions"

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sphery:

weren't cable and other TV rebroadcasters getting sued by some company that disagreed with (patent/copyright issues?) all implementations of video on demand/video streaming from company servers to customer STB's?

[17:33:18]

wagnerrp:

'a sagetv exclusive that utilizes proprietary algorithms to determine your interests based on past viewing habits and automatically records programs for you'

[17:33:29]

wagnerrp:

i guess thats exclusive between them and tivo

[17:33:32]

JEDIDIAH__:

yup, 'suggestions'

[17:33:34]

sphery:

wow... where'd you find that?

[17:33:41]

JEDIDIAH__:

I wonder if Tivo will sue them over that.

[17:33:44]

wagnerrp:

on their page, features

[17:33:44]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: I dunno.. but dish got sued by TiVo because of their skip-forward 30 secs/skip back 10 secs buttons on their PVRs... They got around it by making it skip to the closest i-frame instead of an exact cut of 30 or 10 seconds...

[17:33:59]

sphery:

google gave 3 results on "Personalized intelligent Scheduling"--2 of which were that article.

[17:34:29]

sphery:

the other, BioSquare, didn't seem a fit

[17:34:35]

JEDIDIAH__:

BTW, implementing a version of Tivo's "suggestions" idea would not be a bad thing.

[17:34:41]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Gee, if they added "System" to the end, it would be the acronym "PISS" ;-)

[17:34:51]

JEDIDIAH__:

ha ha

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sphery:

well, we seem to have just lost the guy who wrote the closest thing Myth had to a suggestions kind of functionality

[17:35:51]

sphery:

Though, I would disable it in my Myth--even if there were no settings, I'd patch it out--as I would find that completely annoying.

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: to be honest, the only way i could see such a system working is if you track your entire user base

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

^^ I was gonna say, didn't somebody write a not-offically-supported plugin that did just that?

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wagnerrp:

and match up people to similar users and their viewing tastes

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sphery:

oooh.... then we could sell that data

[17:36:19]

wagnerrp:

similar to how lastfm works

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JEDIDIAH__:

you don't "track your userbase" you just have the feature work off of data in the usres own system.

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sphery:

TVWish: //www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-users@mythtv.org/msg26281.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-users@myth . . . sg26281.html

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Yeah, that's it. ;-)

[17:37:05]

sphery:

and notice the author

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: im saying that the EPG data is insufficient to provide such suggestions

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wagnerrp:

then theres the other issue that having multiple users on a single myth system is going to break all form of 'personalization'

[17:39:35]

sphery:

Impersonal Intelligent Suggestions?

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sphery:

or Scheduling, I guess

[17:40:59]

sphery:

Speaking of multi-user, though, it's sad that it's getting higher and higher on my TODO list--considering I'm the only one who should be using my Myth system...

[17:41:28]

JEDIDIAH__:

allowing the user to rate shows themselves would help but keying off of what's already been watched should be enough. That's what the original does.

[17:42:06]

sphery:

we know what's been watched, we know what's coming up... how do we know what's like what's been watched?

[17:42:58]

JEDIDIAH__:

pull attributes from what's been watched and match that up against what's scheduled.

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sphery:

are we talking some kind of "intelligent" scanning of the descriptions of the episodes in the listings to try to deduce that the show is similar to something the user likes or just basing it on categories/genres?

[17:43:28]

sphery:

right, the think that I'm saying (and I think wagnerrp is saying) is, "What attributes?"

[17:43:50]

JEDIDIAH__:

director, category, cast, genre, date

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RyeBrye:

Just based on EPG is rather stupid – they'd definitely need to crowdsource viewing trends to get anything close to an accurate set of data

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RyeBrye:

and if it is just based on recordings – that is also stupid – because it implied that everyting you record is sometign you like – which is not always the case. (i.e. you might record an episode just because of a guest that is on)

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sphery:

I loved "Oh Brother, Where Art Though", but I completely hated, "Fargo"... Same directors.

[17:44:52]

sphery:

(or producers or whatever)

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JEDIDIAH__:

such a feature doesn't have to be particularly bright. the idea is to widen your horizons, not to be perfect.

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RyeBrye:

Yeah,. TiVo at least has you rank stuff with thumbs up or thumbs down 3 thumbs up = you really love it – three thumbs down = you really hate it

[17:45:35]

JEDIDIAH__:

that's why I brought it up.

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sphery:

if that's the case, I could implement a "suggestions" functionality quite easily with a little bit of randomization... :)

[17:45:52]

JEDIDIAH__:

OTOH, if fargo records you can just delete it and tell it never to record again.

[17:46:15]

JEDIDIAH__:

a motivated user can create their own "suggestions".

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sphery:

true... I suppose some people like it.

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AndyCap:

amazon suggestions. :P

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sphery:

Though as many complaints as we get about how Myth "wastes" storage by only deleting LiveTV after a /whole/ day passes, I can't see many Myth users accepting Myth's recording stuff they ask it to record.

[17:47:21]

sphery:

s/they ask/they don't ask/

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AndyCap:

empty storage is wasted storage. :)

[17:47:50]

sphery:

Yeah, kind of like unused RAM

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** JEDIDIAH__ agrees with AndyCap **

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RyeBrye:

I think Boxee's social model where you recomend things to your friends is a better approach – but it would never work for myth because the task of maintaining a distributed social network would be ridiculous – although I suppose you could do the integration via some old school transport method like email and you enter your friends based on their email address and you just let myth scan your emails for things addressed to it – but that would be a p

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sphery:

but, some want to be able to do, "df -k", to find out how much space they have to record new stuff.

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RyeBrye:

TiVo wont record suggestions if your storage is fulll, and suggestions are automatically purged if it needs room for a scheduled recording

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JEDIDIAH__:

removal priorities distinct from recording priorities would be handy here.

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JEDIDIAH__:

it would be cool to have my "suggestions" get deleted first.

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sphery:

Yeah. I'm actually going to do a patch that makes Myth report storage usage to include space consumed by LiveTV, Deleted, and expirable recordings, so, perhaps, then people won't get so concerned.

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JEDIDIAH__:

some of them have higher recording priorities than other stuff that aren't "suggestions"

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** iamlindoro_ wonders when the patches will be done **

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normal1:

any of you know of a thin client-like system I could use as a 'media client'.. it could just pull the video via NFS if need-be.

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gbee:

anyone have a high(ish) res image of the new Sky epg? http://www.stuff.tv/ProductImages/108550753bli.jpg

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normal1:

it could use whatever really, as long as it plays on the darn tv and doesnt take a whole bunch of media center real estate

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: It's looking like the MythUI OSD will be .23, yeah?

[17:54:41]

gbee:

so far I've looked at Media Portal and Freevo screenshots and neither is worth even using in a demonstration

[17:55:27]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: still not sure on that point, Chutt was dead keen on working on it at one point, but I think work has him pretty busy again :/

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iamlindoro_:

Bummer, have some stuff I like a lot mocked up for it

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gbee:

it's really not that difficult, but I'm effectively burnt out at the moment, I don't fancy working on anything as heavy duty as that before 0.22

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gbee:

I'd work with someone else on it, but I don't want to carry the whole thing

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iamlindoro_:

Seems like the EPG is another big 'un, too

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gbee:

aye

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sphery:

what's up with google--at least maps.google.com and images.google.com are having severe problems transferring images

[18:19:08]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

normal1: Any UPnP network media player will play back myth's Recordings, Videos and Music. It's a really basic interface, but it works.

[18:19:39]

iamlindoro_:

presuming that media player supports the codecs and containers

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sphery:

with the exception of ones created to extend empires, of course (yeah, I'm looking at you XBox 360)

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normal1:

J-e-f-f-A|work, suggestions?

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iamlindoro_:

many don't like NUV, and a fair few won't play various codecs via uPnP

[18:20:25]

iamlindoro_:

ie the xBox 360 wont' do MPEG-2 via uPnP, etc.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

normal1: If you're just doing SD, MPEG2, and perhaps ATSC HD (MPEG2), I have a Buffalo LinkTheatre HD and Avel LinkPlayer 2 (HD also) that work farily well.

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normal1:

cool, thanks

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

normal1: My son has used his PS3 to playback MPEG2 recordings via UPnP

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sphery:

in my somewhat--no, completely--biased opinion, the /best/ player for Myth recordings is mythfrontend

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** J-e-f-f-A|work agrees with sphery **

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normal1:

hehehe

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sphery:

so, build a small PC that runs GNU/Linux and Myth and enjoy a MythTV experience (with commercial skipping, timestretch, OSD with complete recording info, ...)

[18:22:52]

JEDIDIAH__:

...or buy one.

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normal1:

okay so here it goes sphery... suggestions?

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normal1:

umm..

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normal1:

I was looking at "thin client" pcs but I dont think that'll work for what I want to do

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sphery:

Or, better yet, build/buy a /big/ (possibly loud and ugly) PC and put it in a different room and run cables to the TV/speaker

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JEDIDIAH__:

thin client pcs generally are not intended for h264 playback.

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sphery:

No client is more "thin" than invisible

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Or just crank the sterio up so you can't hear the fans... ;-)

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normal1:

lol

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normal1:

I already have a loud machine, its my fileserver/firewall

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iamlindoro_:

+1 for the in the other room approach

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** JEDIDIAH__ tries to find his mini **

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iamlindoro_:

You can get really fancy and run cables nicely to wall plates behind your TV, very sexy

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normal1:

I was looking at an dell optiplex.. but I'm not sure how loud those are

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JEDIDIAH__:

where did it go...

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JEDIDIAH__:

generally, old components tend to be louder.

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sphery:

my myth box, she's so ugly, she fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down...

[18:25:35]

sphery:

(babysitting a nephew seems to have an effect on a person's sense of humor)

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sphery:

but, since it's in a different room, ugly/loud/big aren't an issue

[18:26:33]

normal1:

how long can vga cables be before attenuation hits?

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JEDIDIAH__:

n mythtv users, n+1 ways to approach the problem.

[18:26:53]

JEDIDIAH__:

you can also use HDMI with repeaters.

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sphery:

normal1: not that I'm recommending it--and if you get it, any performance/noise/... issues are not my fault--have you looked at the Dell Studios? Aren't they pretty small?

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normal1:

I have not

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normal1:

googlin'.....

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sphery:

might have the word mini or something in it

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

normal1: Two of my HD-capable frontends are in these cases: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154087 (with software decoding, will be updated with VDPAU capable cards soon)

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JEDIDIAH__:

are they any better at decoding hdpvr captures without getting pricey?

[18:28:43]

JEDIDIAH__:

that case is a bit deep.

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JEDIDIAH__:

otherwise seems cool enough.

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normal1:

that actually looks pretty nice J-e-f-f-A|work

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

JEDIDIAH__: yeah... It is, due to standard size drive bays...

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sphery:

normal1: from October, someone (I trust) said, "deal on refurb dell studio hybrids right now... I've got an h264 1080p-capable one on the way to replace my aged mac mini now..."

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normal1:

sphery, from where?

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JEDIDIAH__:

No, I think it is due to PC vendors generally not considering whether or not a PC can fit in a TV cabinet.

[18:30:22]

JEDIDIAH__:

there's 1 or 2 silverstone cases that manage.

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JEDIDIAH__:

both.

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JEDIDIAH__:

mini-itx also helps.

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sphery:

normal1: http://dell.com/refurbished for refurbs (though Dell's genious in marketing means there's only 1 way to get to the actual refurbs as anything you click on that page takes you to a page where only one combo box exists to get to refurbs and /everything/ else takes you to new stuff)

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normal1:

gotcha

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sphery:

normal1: something like: http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/topi . . . en&s=dfh

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normal1:

thanks

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sphery:

though, the deal isn't going on anymore

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

JEDIDIAH__: Perhaps, but the 3.5" HDD bay hangs below the CDROM tray... which would not really give suitable clearance for the motherboard if it were moved forward to be 'under' that shelf...

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sphery:

and, if you go cheap, it may not be enough for playback of some types of video

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AndyCap:

someone get me this case with a fair cpu and nvidia vpdau card. :-P http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/embedded/vm7700/

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sphery:

normal1: this is the actual studio hybrid: http://www.dell.com/content/products/productd . . . en&s=dhs

[18:33:01]

normal1:

whoa..

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JEDIDIAH__:

I dunno. TV's already get hot enough all by themselves. I am not sure adding another heat source back there is entirely a good idea. Looks good though.

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gbee:

sphery: sounds like the smoke and mirrors with their linux boxes, special page etc

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sphery:

gbee: yeah... It's really annoying, but once you figure it out, it's easy enough.

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JEDIDIAH__:

gbee: regarding "tree" again. the last coverfile gets displayed for subsequent videos that don't have a coverfile (and directories)

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Dagmar:

If you're counting on Dell to deliver you a motherboard with a video card in it, I'd look VERY closely into things before expecting VDPAU will work with it

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JEDIDIAH__:

I take that back... just for directories.

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Dagmar:

Dell is kind of famous for talking good manufacturers into making (frankly) sh*tty variants of their own stuff.

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gbee:

JEDIDIAH__: sounds like a bug, the image should get reset to the default, can't reproduce it but file a ticket anyway

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sphery:

what speed core 2 is required to play back HD-PVR-style high-bitrate H.264?

[18:37:26]

JEDIDIAH__:

how high is high?

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sphery:

I say go for the software decode and don't count on vdpau, if possible

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Dagmar:

2.6, 2.8ghz core... somewhere around in there

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sphery:

Hmmm... Seems the studio hybrid (at least refurbs) goes up to 2.5GHz

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gbee:

I heard 3.0Ghz

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sphery:

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JEDIDIAH__:

what component should the bug be fore gbee?

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** kormoc_ waits for the ion platform **

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JEDIDIAH__:

2.6Ghz at $1200

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JEDIDIAH__:

nevermind ion, just mini-itx boards with onboard nv 8x00 or 9x00 would do a lot better

[18:46:21]

JEDIDIAH__:

even just a mini-itx box with a good cpu could easily beat Dell's pricing.

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normal1:

sphery, just by looks and its form-factor that studio hybrid would make a nice little box

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rushfan:

Hello. mythbackend keeps crashing and the log says: 2009-02–18 10:10:02.235 DevRdB(/dev/video0) Error: Problem reading fd(34) eno: Input/output error (5)

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JEDIDIAH__:

nevermind... I got that part wrong.

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rushfan:

Then a device error detected then it says Error Stop(): Not running

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Dagmar:

Sounds like your dvb card is dying

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rushfan:

Dagmar: mine? I think there's just a proble mwith the drivers

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rushfan:

But the card is like 3 years old now

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gbee:

JEDIDIAH__: mythvideo

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rushfan:

Dagmar: hmm I just needed to reload ivtv drivers

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Dagmar:

This isn't windows.

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i_is_cat:

i want a new tv tuner.. anyone know where they hand them out for free like candy? ;)

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wagnerrp:

you can probably get coupons for a tv tuner

[19:05:44]

i_is_cat:

hehe no i want a free one because i'm just hoping someone will be cool enough to give me one for free :D

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Dagmar:

Try posting to craigslist for your area or something

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gbee:

does anyone have a Sky HD box, trying to make sense of the icons/layout of this screenshot, but if I thought that the some of mythtv icons were hard to follow, the Sky ones are like ancient hieroglyphs

[19:08:10]

i_is_cat:

you know, thats actually not a bad idea..

[19:08:20]

wagnerrp:

people should pay you to take their bt cards

[19:08:34]

Dagmar:

That's true

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i_is_cat:

hey theres a free home alarm system in my area

[19:10:24]

i_is_cat:

that would be interesting

[19:10:28]

wagnerrp:

come with purchase of the home...

[19:10:44]

i_is_cat:

lol

[19:10:52]

i_is_cat:

No charge Vox Com alarm system: 4 door sensors, motion detector, smoke detector.

[19:10:56]

gbee:

installation $30 – free, removal of furniture – free

[19:11:08]

gbee:

meh

[19:11:20]

i_is_cat:

would be fun to play with

[19:11:31]

wagnerrp:

so the system is free, the subscription is not

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i_is_cat:

ya thats what i'm thinking.. its probably some business just looking to sucker you into a purchase

[19:11:54]

wagnerrp:

there is little worth to a security system if you dont have a full time guard, or a link to a security company

[19:12:36]

Dagmar:

It's not free.

[19:12:53]

Dagmar:

All they're doing is making you sign a service contract, just like cell phone providers do

[19:13:15]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Not all breakins happen when no one's home

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i_is_cat:

most likely.. especially since thats all the info thats listed.. wow that was weird my speakers just started playing some random crap and stopped then did it again and stopped ... hmmmmm

[19:14:25]

wagnerrp:

i_is_cat: in my old apartment, i used to pick up radio frequencies on my speakers

[19:14:46]

wagnerrp:

either the HAM guy down the street

[19:14:47]

Dagmar:

Near a tower?

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i_is_cat:

i used to pick it up on my baseboard heater in an old apt every now and then

[19:15:03]

wagnerrp:

or radio chatter from the EMS helicoptors overhead

[19:15:05]

Dagmar:

Your baseboard heater was picking up radio signals?

[19:15:08]

wagnerrp:

i never figured it out

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i_is_cat:

yep

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Dagmar:

Did you live UNDER the transmitter?

[19:15:25]

i_is_cat:

took me a while to figure out where the hell the noise was coming from

[19:15:40]

i_is_cat:

then i got down really low and put my ear to it and i could make out a radio station it was so odd

[19:15:47]

Dagmar:

Someone's equipment was direly in need of being looked at by the FCC

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wagnerrp:

i_is_cat: i would guess someone had a radio propped up next to the hot water pipes

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i_is_cat:

it must have been something like that because it only lasted a few weeks and was quite sporadic

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Dagmar:

Or their transmitter was effed

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i_is_cat:

i dont think anyone in the building was really technically inclined it was like 8 apts and mostly grease monkeys and little old ladies and some super strange looking gay guy

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i_is_cat:

he was really bizarre looking

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i_is_cat:

but who knows.. its not like i went searching outside my apt for the source hehe

[19:19:18]

Dagmar:

Well, high-powered radio transmitters are finicky things

[19:20:07]

Dagmar:

I *think* the term is harmonics but I'm equally sure I'm screwing that up, but basically any transmitter trying to send a specific freq is also sending out the same transmission at various multiples and divisors of that frequency

[19:20:19]

Dagmar:

It's been so damn long since I've had to worrya bout this stuff

[19:20:35]

i_is_cat:

i dont know what the distance on them is limited to, but there is a college about 2 blocks from that place so maybe it was them..

[19:20:41]

wagnerrp:

yes, harmonics

[19:20:47]

Dagmar:

So, any amplifier of a signal isn't *just* amplifying the frequency you want, it's amplifying everything, which means it needs chokes to filter *out* the parts you DON'T want

[19:20:59]

wagnerrp:

first harmonic, second harmonic, etc... are each subsequent frequency

[19:21:25]

Dagmar:

If the chokes are screwed up, and you're talking about broadcasting in the 10,000 watt range, *weird* crap is going to wind up picking up the signal

[19:22:40]

Dagmar:

People's braces are kind of not likely, but stuff like walkmans, cheap transistor radios, microphones, they'll all start resonating

[19:23:05]

i_is_cat:

i really didnt know that things like that could pick up signals let alone actually output sound until that little experience and i was immediately reminded of peoples fillings picking up stations lol

[19:23:09]

Dagmar:

for AM transmitters, this means your computer is likely to start playing country music from the PC speaker whether you like it or not

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i_is_cat:

haha if my system started playing country i'm sure i'd try to figure out wtf is going on bleh i cant stand country

[19:24:21]

Dagmar:

There was a transmitter in M'boro about fifteen years ago that got screwed up, and they wanted to ignore us when we called them about it to complain

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GreyFoxx:

My old speakers use to do that

[19:24:30]

Dagmar:

They didn't have so much luck ignoring the police.

[19:24:43]

GreyFoxx:

and the closer my hand got to the speaker the loud/clearer it would come in

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wagnerrp:

mine was too sporadic to be a station, and it definately sounded like radio chatter

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Dagmar:

If you got anywhere within two miles of the antenna, their signal would bleed into everything.

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Dagmar:

...including emergency services freqs which is a MASSIVE f**king no-no as far as the FCC is concerned.

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Probably asshole truckers with their "foot warmers"

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i_is_cat:

oooh gumby! i have the first season of that show.. so awesome

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Dagmar:

It's a box usually mounted near the floor so they can just step on it and boost the holy wonderfsck out of their signal momentarily so theyc an be heard far down the road

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wagnerrp:

middle of the city, doubtful it was truckers doing that

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Dagmar:

It's highly illegal, both because of the limits on CB power and because the damn things SELDOM work entirely properly

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Dagmar:

I had thought they were no longer being used very much, until I got an apartment overlooking the interstate a couple of years ago

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i_is_cat:

lmao

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Dagmar:

I'd hear them stomping out so much noise it would come out my firewall's speakers

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wagnerrp:

well i was about half a mile from an interstate, in either direction

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Dagmar:

Could have been a construction site then

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i_is_cat:

craigslist free stuff header says "free bbq" click on the link all it says is "seems dangerous"

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wagnerrp:

doubtful, i would sometimes get it late at night

[19:29:19]

Dagmar:

Probably minor criminal activity then

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Dagmar:

Or truckers.

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Dagmar:

...which would mean a combination of both

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wagnerrp:

implying that the average HAM guy would know better?

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Dagmar:

From what I've known of HAM guys, yes.

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Dagmar:

Someone's repeater might have been screwing up

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Dagmar:

...but they all seem penile-obsessive about their repeaters to me

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Dagmar:

The only thing you can do about truckers is to get a CB radio or two, patch them into your computer, start recording the CB traffic in realtime, and then play discontiguous fragments of their conversations back into the same channel while they're trying to negotiate deals for hookers and blow.

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Dagmar:

For god's sake dont' do that if you have a visible external CB antenna

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wagnerrp:

seems i have a dead video card... no display output

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Dagmar:

It's incredibly fun as long as you don't wind up with Furious Truckers On Your Doorstep.

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i_is_cat:

dead video cards suck are you sure its seated properly?

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Dagmar:

I wonder...

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Dagmar:

I'm thinking I might want to do that some more

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wagnerrp:

its probably because i threw in a PCI card

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wagnerrp:

board wasnt loading it properly

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Dagmar:

...especially since Phreaknic is held like a frisbee throw from the freaking Truck Stops of America

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wagnerrp:

amazing...its probably been well over a year since the last time i used this board

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wagnerrp:

and its only 20 seconds off

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Dagmar:

Nice

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Dagmar:

If I left my stuff off that long the batteries would be dead

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wagnerrp:

its an old P3 board, im surprised it still has power

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wagnerrp:

the think is probably 9 years old

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Leif|:

hey guys, i really become desperate since 2 days :( kaffeine plays fine with my dvb-t card... but than mythtv came... he detects a "Analog V4L capture card" /dev/video0 but at the "channel search" he can't open the card... if i set /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 it says "failed to probe" maybe someone can help me?

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wagnerrp:

are you trying to use DVB as an 'analog v4l card'?

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wagnerrp:

i surely hope not

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Leif|:

that's his opinion

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wagnerrp:

your card probably has a built in framegrabber its detecting

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wagnerrp:

go up to where it says 'analog...'

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Leif|:

if i set it on DVB DTV capture card he detects card number 0

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wagnerrp:

hit the right key a couple times

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wagnerrp:

yes, you want a DVB capture card, device 0

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Leif|:

yes

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Leif|:

BUT

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Leif|:

on scan channels again "failed to open the card"

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wagnerrp:

is there something else that may already be accessing the card?

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Leif|:

i don't think so

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wagnerrp:

is kaffeine actually using dvb-t? or is it just pulling off the framegrabber

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Leif|:

nono kaffeine is closed

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wagnerrp:

i mean when it runs

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Leif|:

it detects it at the start as dvb0:0 and scan and watching runs fine

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wagnerrp:

is there a possible file permissions issue?

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coolego1:

what would be a good choice for an NVidia graphics card that will be sub-$50? I have an ATI X1950 that doesn't seem to be working well with linux and myth and I want to replace it

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Dagmar:

Depends

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wagnerrp:

coolego1: get an 8400GS

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wagnerrp:

preferably one with a 567MHz clock, rather than 450MHz

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Leif|:

wagnerrp: i run mythtv-setup as root :/

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Dagmar:

This is assuming you have a pci express slot free

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wagnerrp:

coolego1: i presume you dont actually want to play games on the system, even though you have a high end card currently installed

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coolego1:

wagnerrp – I just switched this box from a Windows gamer to a mythtv haha

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coolego1:

wagnerrp – I decided that my macbook pro was outperforming it

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Dagmar:

You could probably get by with an 8300 even

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wagnerrp:

do they sell discrete 8300s?

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Dagmar:

They do according to wikipedia

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wagnerrp:

anyway, the newer revision 8400 is the cheapest card you can get with VC-1 capability

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Leif|:

wagnerrp: my card is a dvb-t/c/s card maybe there is a problem?

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coolego1:

what is VC-1?

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Leif|:

but he detcts it as dvb-t :(

[19:48:25]

wagnerrp:

if you intend to play blu-ray in the future when it gets full supported

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wagnerrp:

Leif|: never used a DVB card, so i dont know

[19:48:54]

wagnerrp:

i would imagine all three of those should show up as individual tuners

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Leif|:

ah ok ;) i think there is no problem, because mythtv detecs it as svb-t tuner, but how can i figure out why it can't open the card?

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gbee:

coolego1: out of interest, which driver were you using with the ati?

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coolego1:

wow – I can get a 256 MB 8400 GS for $15...

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Dagmar:

I've been populating this list a bit more http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/NVidia_Cards

[19:50:14]

wagnerrp:

coolego1: the 512MB versions are preferred, as are the higher clock rate ones

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Dagmar:

I'll probably add the 9xxx's and the 7xxx's later tonight

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gbee:

missing the 8200

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Dagmar:

I've got zero info on it

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justinh:

Leif|: mythtv doesn't detect any tuners. EVER. you have to tell it what type of card you have

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justinh:

and you have to tell it which device node it resides on

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coolego1:

gbee – I think I'm using the proprietary drivers. There are two issues I've been having. There is quite a bit of tearing, and it seems like the colors bleed ever so slightly in bands across the screen. For example, if someone has white hair, a line will extend across the whole screen that is slightly lighter than the rest and follow the head as it moves

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gbee:

True IGP, rather than on-mobo discrete, supports VDPAU, no idea on the s-video/component, HDMI/DVI/VGA

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Leif|:

justinh: i don't understand? if i change the capture card type to dvb, on channel 0 it shows the card and than "DVB-T"

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Dagmar:

gbee: if you can find some details on the 8200 feel free to add it to the list. I put priority on the 8xxx's because as far as I know there's no 9xxx's that won't do VDPAU, and the 7xxx's didn't have any variance in them like teh 8xxx's did where *some* cards (like the 8800) may or may *not* support it

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justinh:

Leif|: yup. that looks about right

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gbee:

coolego1: k, I'm using the latest driver and my only issue is almost unnoticable tearing ... just curious that's all

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Leif|:

justdave: for mee, too :) but on the channel search "failed to open the card" ;-)

[19:53:38]

Leif|:

ups

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coolego1:

gbee – if you have any advice I'll take it haha

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Leif|:

justinh i mean :)

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gbee:

see just as much tearing with Nvidia w/ VDPAU so I don't really see the tearing with the ati card as a serious problem

[19:54:03]

gbee:

coolego1: just do whatever works for you :)

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wagnerrp:

gbee: vdpau tearing usually goes away when you disable composite (the X option, not the output)

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gbee:

wagnerrp: did that long ago :)

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gbee:

or maybe I re-enabled it for some reason

[19:55:08]

** gbee shrugs **

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Dagmar:

People shouldn't need a compositor

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wagnerrp:

i know i had it enabled until recently because vdpau didnt work at all without it

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wagnerrp:

theres some 'USE_VDPAU_COLORKEY' environmental flag you have to set

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coolego1:

oh good – I found a silent 8500 512MB for $35- but it's only running at 459 MHz... Should I really look hard for a 567 MHz one?

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wagnerrp:

coolego1: the older chips do not have VC-1 support

[19:59:02]

wagnerrp:

the 8500s are all older chips

[19:59:10]

wagnerrp:

it was the 8400 that got a revamp

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wagnerrp:

if you never intend to have vc-1 content, go for it

[19:59:27]

Dagmar:

coolego1: It's probably worth checking TigerDirect, MWave, and Newegg

[19:59:42]

coolego1:

Dagmar – I'm on Newegg right now

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coolego1:

What about the 9400 series?

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wagnerrp:

newegg has a nice silent ASUS 8400GS, thats usually on sale for around that price

[20:00:08]

wagnerrp:

9400 should be fine

[20:00:18]

wagnerrp:

they just tend to be more expensive

[20:00:32]

coolego1:

I can open box the 8400 at newegg for $27.75

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CCFL_Man2:

my 2950G is now in service

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justinh:

mmkay. back on the hacking wagon

[20:00:38]

coolego1:

the silent 8400 that is

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wagnerrp:

if you trust open-box...

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gbee:

justinh: Sky HD flavour for mythtv? http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mimic_skyguide.png

[20:01:35]

gbee:

http://www.stuff.tv/ProductImages/1085604f1bli.jpg

[20:01:37]

justinh:

hehehe.

[20:01:40]

iamlindoro_:

gbee: Did the Program Guide get MythUI'd while I wasn't looking?

[20:02:08]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: nope

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iamlindoro_:

just checking

[20:02:35]

gbee:

doing up the watch recordings screen in that style

[20:02:45]

justinh:

waiting for my variable width hack, last I heard :P

[20:02:45]

iamlindoro_:

ah, I gotcha

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coolego1:

wagnerpp – so an 8400 GS would be a better bet then? I found one on TigerDirect for about $40...

[20:03:35]

gbee:

justinh: aye, would definately work better with that :)

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wagnerrp:

coolego1: if it is the higher clock speed

[20:04:29]

coolego1:

wagnerpp – no, its the 459 MHz one

[20:04:43]

wagnerrp:

well then its the older chipset

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Dagmar:

Considering how severe the difference between having VDPAU and not having VDPAU is, I'm not sure it's going to make any material difference which clock speed the card runs at

[20:05:40]

iamlindoro_:

It will if the difference in clock speed is an indicator of a chip that has support for a whole extra codec

[20:05:51]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: *is* that the case tho?

[20:05:54]

iamlindoro_:

yes

[20:05:56]

wagnerrp:

the clock speed is irrelevant, its just the only distinguishing feature between the G86 and the G98 chips

[20:06:04]

gbee:

justinh: can't figure out the purpose of the icons at the top, so I'm just going to make those the recording property icons

[20:06:41]

justinh:

gbee: been trying to change anykey's patch to SetArea instead of SetDrawRect but it's expecting a MythRect (obviously).. how would I set the area if I don't know the co-ords?

[20:07:18]

Dagmar:

Okay, now *I'm* confused even

[20:07:37]

Dagmar:

Does the G98 only partially support things?

[20:07:46]

wagnerrp:

the G98 supports everything

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wagnerrp:

the G86 lacks VC1

[20:07:58]

justinh:

gbee: I think sky's icons are kind of like status things too

[20:08:01]

gbee:

MythRect area(m_Area.x(),m_Area.y,width,height); ?

[20:08:13]

gbee:

then pass 'area' to set area

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Okay, so help me out here. Looking at http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . endix-h.html it would seen that the G98 is the ONLY one that supports VC-1

[20:08:39]

Dagmar:

Well, that and G98, MCP77, MCP78, MCP79, MCP7A

[20:09:01]

Dagmar:

...which means that pretty much most of the 8xxx cards aren't going to do VC1

[20:09:23]

wagnerrp:

only the G98 revision 8400s can do VC1

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iamlindoro_:

Aland the higher clock speed is an indication that the 8400 is g98

[20:09:48]

Dagmar:

Not the 9400?

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iamlindoro_:

er and

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justinh:

gbee: ahhh. I think.... ta. Might take a while to digest that. Not running on all cylinders

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wagnerrp:

i dont know anything about the 9400

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wagnerrp:

i *believe* it will do VC1

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iamlindoro_:

9300, 9400, etc. will do VC-1, he was saying teh g98 8400 GS are the only 8xxx series to do VC-1

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Dagmar:

k

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Dagmar:

So, here's another problem

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wagnerrp:

seems the card was still fine, the board was just enabling the onboard video because it didnt detect an AGP card

[20:11:53]

Dagmar:

Take a look at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133245

[20:12:16]

Dagmar:

It says at least on Newegg that it's core clock is 567, right? So you'd think it would have the newer core

[20:12:21]

wagnerrp:

yes

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[Peter]:

mythtv-setup over remote X sure isn't speedy..

[20:12:28]

Dagmar:

The manuf's part number is VCG84512SPEB

[20:12:54]

Dagmar:

They need to make this less hellish

[20:13:15]

coolego1:

that's a little more than I was hoping to spend – what's the difference between PCIE x16 and PCIE 2.0 x16 ?

[20:14:02]

wagnerrp:

Dagmar: now for more fun, search that part number on amazon, and you get a low profile card

[20:14:16]

Dagmar:

I'm going to rifle through PNY's site, generally they don't screw around with their part numbers lik that

[20:14:21]

justinh:

[Peter]: freenx ftw

[20:15:13]

high-rez:

The confusion is just as much nvidias fault as it is the card makers. It's crazy that they can have an older part with VP3 and a newer part with VP2.

[20:15:16]

justinh:

gbee: couldn't see the wood for the trees there. god, I'm crap. Cheers :)

[20:15:26]

Dagmar:

wagnerp: Look at the part number carefully

[20:15:59]

Dagmar:

SPPB is low profile. SPEB isn't.

[20:16:15]

Dagmar:

Amazon is just doing a quick substitution via search results

[20:16:31]

JEDIDIAH__:

remote X is for convenience, not speed.

[20:16:35]

Dagmar:

If that

[20:16:41]

gbee:

justinh: typo'd that, hope you caught it

[20:16:44]

justinh:

ooh yes. now I just need to sort out the spacing properly and then a grownup can look at my patch

[20:16:49]

justinh:

gbee: yeh :)

[20:16:54]

wagnerrp:

http://www.amazon.com/PNY-VCG84512SPEB-GeForc . . . p/B001D72NE0

[20:17:03]

wagnerrp:

same part number

[20:17:04]

high-rez:

Have any of you noticed chip clockspeed being an issue with deinterlacing? E.g. vdpauadvanced 2x on my 9400GT results in audio drops – wonder if the same would be true for a higher clocked card?

[20:17:44]

gbee:

most cards aren't fast enough for advanced deinterlacing

[20:18:08]

justinh:

bugger. thought of something here. it'd be possible to have a string so long that autowidth only allows one column.. think that'd be a real concern gbee?

[20:18:37]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Here's something that REALLY sucks http://www3.pny.com/8400-GS-256MB-PCIe-Low-Pr . . . 394C269.aspx

[20:18:41]

[Peter]:

I use advanced deinterlacing for SD material

[20:18:45]

[Peter]:

works great on 8500GT

[20:19:09]

Dagmar:

450Mhz core clock, but the product documentation claims it does hardware VC-1

[20:19:16]

gbee:

not really, I'm assuming here that most people will be sensible enough to only use the autowidth stuff on buttons which will generally have strings of a sensible max length

[20:19:17]

wagnerrp:

:)

[20:19:35]

wagnerrp:

Dagmar: it does do VC-1, almost completely

[20:19:37]

high-rez:

gbee: I have an 8800GT that I don't use (which is clocked much faster than my 9400) I'm wondering if that part would actually be better – considering it should be the same circuitry – but at a higher clock?

[20:19:49]

wagnerrp:

its missing the bitstream decode

[20:20:09]

wagnerrp:

and while the windows drivers will offload parts, VDPAU is all-or-nothing

[20:20:13]

justinh:

gbee: btw before, when the code was setting the draw area automatically, it was drawing really strange, with kind of lines coming off the characters

[20:20:20]

gbee:

high-rez: not an expert on which cards work and which don't

[20:20:46]

justinh:

not doing that now though.. just thought you'd be interested to know

[20:20:53]

wagnerrp:

i know my G98 8400 craps out on HD advanced 1x

[20:20:53]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Then the product documentation is still an outright lie

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Dagmar:

Software-offloading is not hardware decompression

[20:21:22]

wagnerrp:

although it does great for 2x, with the video running at half speed, its plenty fast

[20:21:29]

iamlindoro_:

partial ofloading is still hardware accel, though, the docs aren't lying

[20:21:40]

wagnerrp:

Dagmar: its more like the partial offload available on the 6xxx and 7xxx cards

[20:21:53]

wagnerrp:

most of it is done on the card, just not all of it

[20:22:03]

wagnerrp:

you cant just feed it a raw VC-1 stream

[20:22:12]

gbee:

justinh: hmm, think that happens with opengl when the draw surface is larger than source texture, i.e. it's calculated a draw area which is larger than the image created from the string

[20:22:44]

high-rez:

I should stick my 8800GT in and see how it performs

[20:23:42]

gbee:

justinh: I put that down to bugs with the QT string length stuff, same thing that causes some text to get cropped instead of cutdown

[20:23:52]

justinh:

ahh

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gbee:

it's calculating the length wrong by a few pixels

[20:24:07]

justinh:

aye that figures

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justinh:

stupidest thing that was holding me up a fortnight ago that I saw more or less right away when I got back to it

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wagnerrp:

$300 for a 70" projection screen... seems expensive

[20:27:03]

coolego1:

wagnerrp – How about this one? It seems to be the right one (and it's cheap too) --> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . E16814127342

[20:27:44]

wagnerrp:

looks like a winner, just check out how tall that heatsink is

[20:27:52]

wagnerrp:

make sure you have room for a double-height card

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Dagmar:

He should

[20:28:09]

coolego1:

I have a 1950XT in there right now haha – it has the huge double heatsink

[20:28:31]

Dagmar:

Unless his motherboard was designed by maniacs it should be a non-issue

[20:28:32]

wagnerrp:

Dagmar: not if its otherwise loaded with tuner cards

[20:28:40]

Dagmar:

That thing sticks out away from the CPU

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coolego1:

would a 1950 GT be better than that wagnerrp?

[20:29:00]

wagnerrp:

a 1950 would absolutely be better than that (for windows games)

[20:29:07]

coolego1:

I mean a 9500 GT sorry

[20:29:19]

wagnerrp:

the 9500.... i dont know

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wagnerrp:

wikipedia lists the 9500 as having the older hardware

[20:30:56]

wagnerrp:

although they list the 9400 as such too

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coolego1:

so they're wrong...?

[20:31:35]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro_: you know for a fact the 9400 plays VC1?

[20:32:43]

Dagmar:

The only way that card could block something is if you were attempting to use the PCI slot right next to teh PCIe slot

[20:32:49]

Dagmar:

As far as I know that just won't work

[20:33:56]

Dagmar:

Oh and now you see why I"m bouncing between about five different sources of documentation on researching the nvidia core chip functionality

[20:34:33]

justinh:

hmmm. don't like the noises my stomach is making. something hasn't agreed with me

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high-rez:

My 9400 does not play VC1.

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wagnerrp:

so there you go, 8400 and 9300 only (and maybe 8300 and 8200)

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coolego1:

ok cool thanks

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Dagmar:

except the 9400 is supposed to be a G98

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high-rez:

Given the death of hd-dvd, i wonder of how much interest VC1 will be for nvidia (in terms of bringing hardware to market that supports it).

[20:37:54]

wagnerrp:

wikipedia claims g96

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dustybin:

what will be your next bit of hardware for your mythtv setup?

[20:38:01]

high-rez:

Dagmar: It's a g96(b)

[20:38:12]

wagnerrp:

high-rez: theres a fair bit of bluray disks using vc-1 as well

[20:38:46]

high-rez:

wagnerrp: No kiddin? I thought bluray was all h264. Interesting – guess there's hope then :)

[20:38:49]

tgb:

Hey there.. quick question. Setting up a mythfrontend with a new backend server, so I've lost all my old settings. Got everything working except for playback volume. It's set to MAX and muting or changing volume (F10/F11) has no effect.

[20:39:19]

high-rez:

Dagmar: If you wany I can post my vdpinfo from my 9400

[20:39:32]

Dagmar:

So, more digging then. I'm going to have to go flog nVidia's site some more

[20:39:52]

Dagmar:

They really need to start insisting OEMs disclose WTF chip is on the boards

[20:40:14]

GreyFoxx:

Doubt that would ever happen

[20:40:23]

wagnerrp:

dagmar: newegg specifically lists my asus card as g98

[20:40:37]

justinh:

so no VC1 on a card.. so what... just transcode it

[20:40:40]

high-rez:

They need to get their story together first. Nvidia is half the problem.

[20:40:43]

justinh:

is it THAT big a deal?

[20:40:50]

high-rez:

yes, it is.

[20:41:12]

Dagmar:

People are trying to future-proof their purchases, regardless of the fact that we'll probably never have a kosher bluray player

[20:41:17]

wagnerrp:

or at least it did last i checked

[20:41:35]

high-rez:

kosher in what sense ?

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coolego1:

dustybin – my setup is generally complete... It's a P4 3.4GHz, 2GB of DDR2 and an ATI HDTV Wonder; I would like to get a Hauppauge card that could do both SD and HD, but not yet

[20:41:51]

Dagmar:

Kosher as in *not a violation of someone's patents or DMCA bullshit

[20:41:53]

wagnerrp:

authorized... licensed... official...

[20:42:29]

wagnerrp:

we dont even have a DVD player, whats the chance of a BR player

[20:42:34]

dustybin:

coolego1: your setup can not do HD unless you buy a 8/9 series nvidia card

[20:42:38]

Dagmar:

...and pardon my use of the word bs there, but if something can both simultaneously be legal and illegal, then the law is bullshit.

[20:42:47]

high-rez:

I exercise my right to fair use. Anything that prevents that can take a piss.

[20:42:48]

tgb:

hmm, I wonder if my mixer device is wrong... :|

[20:43:00]

wagnerrp:

dustybin, coolego1: that chip should be able to do HD mpeg2

[20:43:37]

dustybin:

wagnerrp: most HD these days is h.264 ?

[20:43:47]

coolego1:

wagnerrp – by HD you mean Blu-Ray? I can tune HDTV over ClearQAM just fine it seems

[20:43:55]

wagnerrp:

all HD these days (over here) is mpeg2

[20:44:00]

dustybin:

oh

[20:44:05]

wagnerrp:

broadcast anywya

[20:44:19]

AndyCap:

then again SD here is h.264. :P

[20:44:25]

high-rez:

I think that question depends on your source.

[20:44:32]

dustybin:

i really with the UK would hurry up and turn off analogue

[20:44:40]

tgb:

Gpt it....

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high-rez:

AndyCap: Where is that?

[20:44:43]

dustybin:

i might go out tonight and turn them off myself

[20:44:48]

tgb:

mixer device : ALSA default

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AndyCap:

high-rez: norway.

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high-rez:

That's progressive. :)

[20:45:22]

AndyCap:

high-rez: but only broadcast terrestrial. dvb-s is still mostly mpeg-2 with some hd in h.264

[20:45:40]

high-rez:

AndyCap: Your terrestrial is dvb-t?

[20:46:16]

AndyCap:

high-rez: not sure if the last analogue transmitter is dead yet, but yes

[20:46:34]

high-rez:

AndyCap: I'd like to get back over to that side of the pond one day. You play with -s or -s2 at all?

[20:46:51]

AndyCap:

-s but not in myth.

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[Peter]:

high-rez: I do -s and -s2 in myth

[20:47:21]

AndyCap:

high-rez: lacking some round tuit's

[20:47:26]

high-rez:

vdr?

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[Peter]:

high-rez: no, just myth, there's a patch in trac for s2api support

[20:48:54]

high-rez:

I love playing with -s here, but the content is pretty much crap and you need a pretty big dish to get anything (which is cheap to do if you can find a world-direct dish and have a dremel : -)

[20:51:54]

wagnerrp:

well i replaced my plastic feet for silicone ones for silence

[20:52:18]

wagnerrp:

now i had to just glue the plastic feet back onto the silicone ones so i could actually more the computer without tearing them off

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jackson__:

Lots of content is being produced with wmv3... So having vc-1/wmv3 acceleration is valid for other forms of media deployed asside from little spinning laser read disks.

[20:53:00]

wagnerrp:

lots of content is being produced with wmv3 and DRM

[20:53:10]

wagnerrp:

rendering them next to worthless to linux users

[20:53:21]

Dagmar:

DRM already made them worthless

[20:53:36]

Dagmar:

Certificates expire.

[20:53:45]

wagnerrp:

ok... they continue to be worthless, but now theyre unusable too

[20:53:54]

Dagmar:

You are not actually buying anything if what you "bought" is tied to DRM.

[20:54:18]

Dagmar:

ESPN has served as a stellar example of just how much a company will care about what happens after their certificates expire.

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jackson__:

You certianly can't say that everything produced with wmv3 is DRMd...

[20:54:41]

Dagmar:

You can't say it's filled with penguins either.

[20:54:46]

Dagmar:

Note that we said neither thing.

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wagnerrp:

theres no purpose to using wmv unless you want the drm features

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wagnerrp:

there are better/cheaper/more-usable formats otherwise

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jackson__:

Sure there is, it's the default format for windows movie makers and such.

[20:55:40]

wagnerrp:

well i dont care to see any content made by someone using windows movie maker

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Dagmar:

We should worry about videos produced by a toy operating system?

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Dibblah:

windows movie makers? Heh.

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wagnerrp:

the only things youre going to make with that are home movies

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wagnerrp:

and no one actually wants to watch those anyway

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Dagmar:

File it in with the markov stuff... Ther'es little point in worrying about "Excellent warez support!"

[20:57:51]

Dagmar:

If you DRM your home movies, you're retarded.

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wagnerrp:

but your relatives might try to distribute it without your permission!

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JEDIDIAH__:

home movie makers are probably more interested in authoring proper DVDs

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Dagmar:

...or you could be trying to make sure no one can play the skin flick you and your girlfriend shot while you were drunnk

[20:59:33]

JEDIDIAH__:

getting granny to play a WMV3 file is probably a problem.

[20:59:46]

JEDIDIAH__:

any mythui wizards about?

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Dagmar:

That problem will expire.

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wagnerrp:

when granny does?

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JEDIDIAH__:

I dunno, it's hard to say whether or not younger people assocate "home movies" with the TV set or the PC.

[21:01:06]

JEDIDIAH__:

harry potter remixes will definitely be in flv

[21:01:21]

wagnerrp:

im a youngun, and i still associate it with super-8 and vhs

[21:01:34]

JEDIDIAH__:

vhs -> TV

[21:02:03]

JEDIDIAH__:

a piece of plastic goes into a metal box hooked to the TV with wires.

[21:02:06]

coolego1:

that is really weird – whenever a dialog box comes up from the OS (Fedora), the entire screen gets a blue tint to it...

[21:02:15]

wagnerrp:

super-8 is not tv though

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JEDIDIAH__:

isn't that what they used before VCRs were invented?

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Dagmar:

coolego1: Is it the "I want the admin password" dialog?

[21:03:40]

coolego1:

no like firefox saying "I can't open the URL"

[21:04:09]

Dagmar:

*snicker*

[21:04:39]

coolego1:

do you know what could be causing it?

[21:05:48]

Dagmar:

Many different things, but I'm leaning towards Fedora's X configuration

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AndyCap:

coolego1: what screen?

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coolego1:

my primary screen – VGA

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coolego1:

I have no TV out

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Dagmar:

Pastebin your xorg.conf

[21:08:24]

AndyCap:

coolego1: dunno then, I run LCD.

[21:08:40]

AndyCap:

coolego1: but I haven't noticed that happening.

[21:08:49]

Dagmar:

...but I'll tell you right now I'm probably just going to suggest disabling the compositor and the fanct openGL window manager stuff

[21:09:08]

Dagmar:

A simple dialog box appearing shouldn't recolor the entire display

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AndyCap:

ohh, like vista.

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Dagmar:

Well, ubuntu has a thing that makes the entire screen dim when a particular modal dialog box asking for your password appears

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GreyFoxx:

Or flick video resolutions

[21:10:15]

Dagmar:

Firefox however, does no such trick when it's reporting an error

[21:10:36]

Dagmar:

...and it's dialog box isn't modal so there's no need to dim the entire screen to indicate that you can't touch those things right now

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AndyCap:

I don't use composting either, but if it's not that either I would suspect your monitor.

[21:11:13]

coolego1:

I can still click on stuff

[21:11:32]

Dagmar:

Thanks for confirming the obvious.

[21:11:36]

Dagmar:

Pastebin your xorg.conf

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wagnerrp:

ive had a broken monitor that would behave in that manner

[21:12:17]

coolego1:

where would xorg.conf be located?

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AndyCap:

coolego1: which fedora is this?

[21:12:27]

wagnerrp:

one block of color would retint the entire rest of the screen

[21:12:31]

coolego1:

it's not in /etc/X11/xorg.conf

[21:12:54]

coolego1:

this is fedora 10 I believe

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Dagmar:

`find /etc -name xorg.conf`

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coolego1:

it's actually mythdora

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AndyCap:

coolego1: ok, then there is no xorg.conf

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Dagmar:

Then that would rather quickly become a #mythdora problem

[21:13:31]

coolego1:

when I switch between firefox and terminal it changes the tint

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Dagmar:

At least, I'm not touching an issue that is likely an X problem if they can't provide a static config file somewhere

[21:14:05]

Dagmar:

...cuz god only knows what the heck their X server is doing

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Dagmar:

When did it start doing this?

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coolego1:

since I've installed it

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coolego1:

a week ago

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bytechanger:

hi folks

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mbreum:

Hi, I have a Hauppage Nove TD-500 dual tuner with a IR remote.

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mbreum:

According to http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-NOVA-T-500, dmesg should detect the remote, e.g. (form the wiki)

[21:14:48]

mbreum:

[ 36.172233] input: IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:07:01.2/usb10/10–1/input/input4

[21:14:48]

mbreum:

but it doesn't in my case.

[21:14:49]

mbreum:

Both tuners work fine, though. It's just the remote that does not get detected.

[21:14:49]

Dagmar:

So yeah, turn on your caps lock and go to #mythdora and type "O WHY R U HATING MY VIDEOS AND MAKING TEM BLOP"

[21:14:51]

coolego1:

I think I might try mythbuntu though to see if I can isolate the problem

[21:14:57]

mbreum:

Any ideas?

[21:15:03]

Dagmar:

They'll probably have some insights.

[21:15:06]

AndyCap:

coolego1: paint something in gimp and see if the screen changes colour

[21:15:16]

Dagmar:

well, so long as you don't actually take my suggestion and use the capslock key

[21:15:17]

bytechanger:

Does Mythtv work w/ Nexus-S ? or is a special patch needed?

[21:15:21]

AndyCap:

coolego1: or maybe play with this: http://tft.vanity.dk/

[21:15:44]

wagnerrp:

does linux work with your nexus-s?

[21:15:48]

Dagmar:

I can't come up with any ideas because someone just flooded this window

[21:16:01]

bytechanger:

wagnerrp: yes, using it w/ VDR right now.

[21:16:08]

wagnerrp:

then mythtv should work just fine

[21:16:17]

bytechanger:

ok, thanks! :)

[21:16:30]

coolego1:

I've got to run now – thanks for all your help guys!

[21:16:39]

mbreum:

Dagmar: sorry to interrupt your idea generator

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AndyCap:

mbreum: don't worry, it's running off a static config file.

[21:17:21]

Dagmar:

mdreum: Sorry you couldn't have had someone tell you that pasting four lines to a channel at once is annoying

[21:18:17]

wagnerrp:

mbreum: did you install lirc? did you load the hauppauge lirc drivers?

[21:18:49]

Dagmar:

Notably did you use the lirc.conf from that page

[21:18:55]

Dagmar:

er lircd.conf

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mbreum:

Good point.. Will find out...

[21:19:27]

Dagmar:

For it to fail with the amount of detail on that page, you'd generally think the hardware is broken

[21:19:48]

Dagmar:

Someone was *thorough* on that page

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Dagmar:

Let us know when you find something that appears to deviate from the expectations on that page. We should be able to figure out what should actually be happening from there

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Dagmar:

WHOA. It's cool that Allen Edwards is documenting how to make Netflix go, but he really needs to learn about the Show Preview button

[21:33:13]

kormoc_:

Dagmar, perhaps you'll know, happen to know which files hold the module parameter information for kernel modules before they're built?

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Dagmar:

Before they're built? The source for them. Usually I grep for "PARAM"

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Dagmar:

er MODULE_PARM

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kormoc_:

snaz

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kormoc_:

I was hoping it'd be a single file, but that's a fairly decent start at least

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Dagmar:

Yeah, it's kind of buried in there, but MODULE_PARM_DESC almost always exists

[21:35:45]

Dagmar:

module_param is a bit less likely to be unique, but is the name of the actual function used to set up the parameter

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** kormoc_ nods **

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kormoc_:

Dagmar, in short, I'm super tired of not having a database of module information, so I'm gonna build one, modinfo.org is mine :)

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Dagmar:

You knwo you can just run modinfo modulename right?

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jams:

thats usually where i grab the info from

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kormoc_:

Dagmar, I'm a static compile sort of guy

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** Batshua waves. I could use some help making my STB play nice with myth. I'm on my fourth cable box. **

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kormoc_:

I hate compiling the module just to run modinfo and then back again

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Dagmar:

Ohhh

[21:43:49]

kormoc_:

plus, when I help out folks, it'd be really nice to look up the module info without having to walk them though it

[21:44:52]

kormoc_:

I'm also planning to see if I can hookup dependancy information and other info such as what other modules share this param and the like

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jams:

kormoc_ want a listing of modinfo output for all the modules I have compiled (which is most of them)

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kormoc_:

Heh, I'm fine, I wrote some scripts to compile all the kernels with everything set to modules and it's pounding my box now, I was just thinking there might be a better way

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jams:

ok, it was pretty simple to search for .ko and run modinfo on it

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kormoc_:

Yeah, I've decided I was gonna index all the 2.x kernels (2.0 +) as I have a few boxes still running 2.0.x

[21:52:29]

mbreum:

About the nova remote: Linuxtv wiki starts off by saying 'find the receivers device with dmesg', but my dmesg does not mention any device. (lirc is installed btw)

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jams:

wow 2.0.x

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Dagmar:

Did you perhaps leave USB support out of your kernel?

[21:53:54]

Dagmar:

`lsusb` should at least indicate that the device is coming up on the USB bus

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Dagmar:

udev is bad about ignoring things you never built modules to support

[21:54:31]

Dagmar:

...in part because it won't know anything to do about things you dind't build modules for

[21:55:39]

mbreum:

Hmm... lsusb mentions a lot of root hubs – and a single line ending with Hauppage.. According to the wiki the tuners are also usb-based, and the work all right.

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mbreum:

(theY work all right)

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wagnerrp:

mbreum: did you load the proper kernel module for your reciever?

[21:57:47]

Dagmar:

It should ahve loaded automatically, if it didn't there's a problem

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Dagmar:

If dmesg isn't saying anything about a device being created... it probably didn't

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mbreum:

I used the mythbuntu control centre to enable IR and selected the hauppage nova t-500 configuration option there...

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wagnerrp:

lsusb | grep lirc, what drivers are loaded?

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Dagmar:

...and/or `dmesg | grep reciever` might be useful

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mbreum:

lsusb is on http://pastebin.com/d39d40ddc

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mbreum:

dmesg is on http://pastebin.com/d358be4e7

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dustybin:

finger -b -p ch Dagmar

[22:06:57]

dustybin:

whoops wrong window

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mbreum:

No mention of receiver in dmesg...

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Dagmar:

I've NO idea what variant of finger you use

[22:09:43]

Dagmar:

You afraid of a little ASCII goatse?

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Dagmar:

mbreum: Hmm... I'd make sure you have the modules necessary for that card and it's IR reicever built

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dustybin:

Dagmar: i use the human varient :P

[22:10:35]

Dagmar:

The page on the wiki is a bit thin on those details, but generally that's what's going on

[22:11:00]

Dagmar:

dustybin: What's -b do?

[22:11:08]

Dagmar:

I've never seen -p take arguments

[22:11:24]

dustybin:

http://www.computerhope.com/unix/ufinger.htm

[22:11:45]

iamlindoro__:

When has proper operation of any command/software/hardware and dustybin ever been associated with one another?

[22:12:22]

Dagmar:

Now comes the important question... why would you think I'd be leaving fingerd up unless I was up to no good with it?

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Dagmar:

I'm the kinda guy who symlinks .plan to /dev/urandom

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jams:

oops he used the example incorrectly

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laga:

what the hell

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Dagmar:

I have a mask, so I know he wans't actually trying to finger me

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Dagmar:

...otherwise I'd probably have to take credit for whatever just took him offline. :)

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laga:

he /part'ed

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Dagmar:

I think he /quit. ...unless PART started taking a freetext argument

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laga:

"has left.." and yes, it takes an argument

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Dagmar:

Neat

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justinp_home:

Hiya, folks – having some trouble with the new firewire stack

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justinp_home:

Here's the gist: I have a SA3250HD cable box, hooked up via both firewire and a PVR-150

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justinp_home:

the new firewire stack changes channels like a champ, but can't get video because TWC decided to 5C encrypt all their channels

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justinp_home:

The external FW changers don't work, because they depend on the old FW stack

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justinp_home:

So I'm stuck with the option of a) watching TV or b) able to change channels

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Dagmar:

File a bug report then.

[22:20:04]

justinp_home:

can't do both

[22:20:17]

justinp_home:

That's the thing – it's not a bug

[22:20:32]

Dagmar:

If the firewire stack has changed, and Myth hasn't caught up, then it's a bug.

[22:20:57]

justinp_home:

Myth has caught up – the internal FW changer works fine

[22:20:58]

Dagmar:

Either way I'm pretty sure refactoring the code for the new stack isn't something that's likely to be solved quickly over IRC.

[22:21:05]

Dagmar:

So you don't have a problem then

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justinp_home:

Well, no – the internal changer is only used for a FW device

[22:21:52]

Dagmar:

So the cable box isn't a firewire device?

[22:22:55]

justinp_home:

Not exactly. If I set up a FW capture card in mythtv-setup, it can change the channel on the box just fine, because it uses the internal changer with the new stack

[22:23:15]

justinp_home:

but it can't get video, because my cable provider is 5C encrypting *every* channel

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iamlindoro__:

The internal changer is used when it's a firewire capture device. He's saying the external scripts to change the channel via firewire (but capture using something else) do not work with the new stack

[22:23:31]

dustybin:

can any of these images used for a mythtv theme? http://openclipart.org

[22:23:31]

Dagmar:

So basically you're saying you have to use the external changers because otherwise the assumption is that you're getting video over firewire as well?

[22:23:33]

justinp_home:

Exactly

[22:23:48]

Dagmar:

So file a bug report on the external changers

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Dagmar:

dustybin: They don't have a licence agreement on the site you can read?

[22:24:48]

justinp_home:

Would that be accurate, though? It's not really a bug, it's just a forward incompatibility with the new stack.

[22:24:51]

iamlindoro__:

justinp_home: Depending on your coding level, ISTR to taht jarod's changes for myth to use the new stack were fairly non invasive. They were about two months ago. You might see what changes he made and see about mapping them on to the external changers

[22:25:14]

Dagmar:

If one mechanism works with both versions of the interface and the other doesn't you have three options...

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Dagmar:

1. Consider it a bug and report it.

[22:25:24]

Dagmar:

2. Suck it up and do without.

[22:25:32]

Dagmar:

3. Add a new "feature" yourself.

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Dagmar:

Doing hte same things they should both really be able to use the same API

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Dagmar:

...especially when we're talking about the same functionality

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justinp_home:

Honestly, I'd be fine with a method that could switch to the FW input, change the channel, then switch back to the PVR-150 to record

[22:27:23]

justinp_home:

at least until the external changers catch up to the new stack

[22:27:37]

justinp_home:

I just don't see a way to do that

[22:27:39]

Dagmar:

Well, if what iamlindoro said is correct, and you don't completely suck at reading C++, you might well be able to just hack a fix in

[22:28:02]

Dagmar:

Especially if the internal changer can use both/either stack.

[22:28:22]

Dagmar:

That would generally give you a nice list of things which are equivalent to one another

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justinp_home:

The other issue I think I'm bumping into is that the sa3250 I have seems to want to use the sa4200 fw controls

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justinp_home:

but the sa4200 changer script fails because I don't have an actual 4200 box

[22:31:05]

gbee:

not one of the more interesting 'mimics', but for anyone yearning for that STB feel – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mimic_skyguide2.png

[22:31:29]

gbee:

Original (Sky HD PVR) – http://www.stuff.tv/ProductImages/1085604f1bli.jpg

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Dagmar:

So now neither changer actually works?

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justinp_home:

No...this is so hard to explain

[22:32:04]

Dagmar:

Apparently

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justinp_home:

When I set up the firewire tuner, I have to tell it that it's a sa4200 box for the channel changing to work

[22:32:39]

perilousapricot:

weird question, is anyone here in rio?

[22:33:00]

perilousapricot:

or at least know about how cable/OTA TV works there?

[22:33:01]

justinp_home:

I guess the box has a newer firmware or something

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phunyguy:

ok so i got digital out working on my sb live 24bit but using a headphone to RCA style cable, spdif being on the white end (i think)

[22:45:05]

phunyguy:

but its only 2 channel.

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phunyguy:

anyone ever get this working before?

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Dagmar:

The poking around I did last night would indicate that that's about as good as you're going to get

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Dagmar:

You can thank Dell.

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phunyguy:

this isnt a dell card

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phunyguy:

it's a Live 24bit

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phunyguy:

from Newegg

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phunyguy:

supposed to be a 7.1 card

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Dagmar:

I could be wrong but I'm not sure you can upsample to 7.1 in software

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Dagmar:

Maybe if your route through alsa

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Dagmar:

...like specifically to make it route through libdts or something

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phunyguy:

:-/

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phunyguy:

this is stupid.

[23:01:45]

phunyguy:

why can't sound cards just "work" lol.

[23:02:01]

Dagmar:

Because sound is serious biznesss

[23:02:08]

phunyguy:

yeah yeah

[23:02:10]

Dagmar:

er srius bizness

[23:02:24]

phunyguy:

surriuss ni'niss

[23:02:31]

phunyguy:

bi'ness*

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phunyguy:

the funny part is, it uses the same sound profile for the analog and digital

[23:03:08]

phunyguy:

surround51

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Dagmar:

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com . . . 75&h=528

[23:03:13]

phunyguy:

is that called a profile?

[23:03:23]

phunyguy:

plug:surround51

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Dagmar:

That's a device.

[23:03:25]

Dagmar:

Somehow.

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phunyguy:

device.

[23:03:27]

phunyguy:

right.

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Dagmar:

If you think ALSA is going to make sense, put down the bong now.

[23:03:45]

phunyguy:

i tell it to use surround51 on analog – i get surround. i tell it to use it on digital, i get 2ch

[23:04:03]

phunyguy:

and this card is like 5 years old.

[23:04:07]

phunyguy:

well maybe not that old

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Dagmar:

So you don't get >2 channels without an encoding mechanism that's proprietary as far as I know

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phunyguy:

but I have had it for at least 2 years

[23:04:31]

phunyguy:

hmm

[23:04:34]

phunyguy:

as in hardware?

[23:04:36]

phunyguy:

or software?

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Dagmar:

As in dolby

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phunyguy:

as in it's going to a 5.1 reciever

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phunyguy:

:P

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Dagmar:

Also, if you're using an optical link, or it thinks you're using an optical link, all bets are off because they're driven by *plain red LEDs*

[23:05:49]

phunyguy:

no its coax

[23:05:55]

Dagmar:

...which gives them just enough bandwidth to handle two channels without compression (dolby again)

[23:06:17]

phunyguy:

again

[23:06:35]

phunyguy:

the only thing I am really missing is a $11 little box that goes between the card and the reciever

[23:06:44]

phunyguy:

does that box really do that much?

[23:06:50]

phunyguy:

or are you saying I am missing software?

[23:07:17]

Dagmar:

Would it matter if I was?

[23:07:21]

Dagmar:

You don't have either

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phunyguy:

so it needs windows.

[23:07:38]

phunyguy:

right?

[23:07:47]

Dagmar:

It needs Googling.

[23:07:52]

phunyguy:

lol

[23:07:53]

phunyguy:

thanks

[23:07:59]

phunyguy:

i have been

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phunyguy:

since yesterday

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Dagmar:

I've seen docs on getting alsa to encode a signal to digital, and I'm not touching that

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phunyguy:

i found ONE link on how to upconvert to 5.1

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phunyguy:

meaning its stereo from 5 speakers

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phunyguy:

not true surround

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phunyguy:

well alsa sees it as a digital device..

[23:08:50]

phunyguy:

and the signal coming out of the card is digita.l

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phunyguy:

- .

[23:09:07]

phunyguy:

the reciever is set to auto and the DIGITAL sign is lit up

[23:09:14]

phunyguy:

...its just 2 channel

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phunyguy:

iec598

[23:10:09]

phunyguy:

yeah

[23:10:15]

phunyguy:

or is it 958

[23:10:24]

phunyguy:

yeah 958

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phunyguy:

when i switch to the input on the reciever it tells me if its stereo or surround

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phunyguy:

and its stereo.

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phunyguy:

:(

[23:12:36]

Dagmar:

Yes. The computer needs to be able to speak a multi-channel encoding the reciever knows about

[23:12:50]

Dagmar:

It just gets more fun than you would ever believe

[23:13:07]

Dagmar:

I've already been through this crap with the PS3 so you'll pardon me if I don't want anything to do with it

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dustybin:

good read

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dustybin:

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.d . . . leId=9127759

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phunyguy:

haha Dagmar I understand.

[23:15:14]

phunyguy:

i just thought it was a "standard" type of conversation

[23:15:18]

Dagmar:

Yeah my solution was to buy more hardware

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phunyguy:

what type of hardware?

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Dagmar:

...which was a turtle beach card with optical and coax out

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phunyguy:

bah

[23:15:51]

phunyguy:

ive bought so much new hardware because what i have didnt work

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phunyguy:

lol

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Dagmar:

...which eventually turned into me saying "F**K IT" and using analog outputs since the output on the turtle beach card was just fine

[23:16:02]

phunyguy:

all because i refuse to buy windows

[23:16:31]

phunyguy:

thats the thing, my analog outputs gave me the same issue on the live card

[23:16:35]

phunyguy:

only 2 channel works

[23:16:48]

Dagmar:

You might want to just get a card that does 5.1 on it's own

[23:17:07]

phunyguy:

and again – the only thing on google that I can find is to upconvert the signal from 2 channel to 5.1 stereo

[23:17:12]

phunyguy:

aka wanna-be surround

[23:17:21]

phunyguy:

i have one onboard....

[23:17:30]

phunyguy:

but the sub output is so low i can barely hear it

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Dagmar:

Is your source audio actually 5.1 mixed??

[23:17:39]

phunyguy:

yes.

[23:17:43]

phunyguy:

AC3

[23:17:54]

Dagmar:

Okay, so seriously, just nab a card with 5.1 output

[23:18:02]

phunyguy:

The Fifth Element.avi – put on the media server from my own dvd collection

[23:18:11]

phunyguy:

AC3 preserved

[23:18:34]

Dagmar:

I f you dig around on the wiki you can find bits where I looked up how to make ALSA do the upsampling, documented it, and then decided I'd rather shoot myself than try to docunment exactly how the last bit works

[23:18:40]

phunyguy:

my wife can only handle so much of "I just need one more thing"

[23:19:04]

Dagmar:

So the odds are low that myth is going to have a problem doing a normal ac3 stream for playback

[23:19:16]

phunyguy:

the alst "one more thing" was a motherboard that was supposed to fix issues i had with the previous one

[23:19:18]

Dagmar:

So tell her you got the wrong audio card and sell the old one

[23:19:20]

phunyguy:

ended up working worse

[23:19:57]

Dagmar:

...but anyway, getting alsa to upsample analog output to 5.1 isn't very hard, and if you look at it carefully it'l lbecome obvious how to boost up the subwoofer output

[23:20:21]

Dagmar:

But seriously, I just bought a card that does 5.1 output and a stereo reciever capable of taking that in

[23:20:24]

phunyguy:

i have boosted it

[23:20:39]

phunyguy:

turned the other outputs waaaay down in alsa mixer

[23:20:45]

phunyguy:

and the sub output all the way up

[23:20:52]

phunyguy:

and also boosted it all the way up on the reciever\

[23:20:59]

phunyguy:

and turned the reciever all the way up

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Dagmar:

If it's not sounding like a strip club now you just didn't tweak the right knobs, man.

[23:21:11]

JEDIDIAH__:

what 5.1 card do you use dagmar?

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Dagmar:

Some turtle beach montego thing

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Dagmar:

I was originally using the onboard but it's output wasn't very clean

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JEDIDIAH__:

I would never have to bought anything from turtle beach

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dustybin:

OUT OF DATA

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JEDIDIAH__:

I would never have thought to bought anything from turtle beach

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Dagmar:

...which is what led me into the trap of trying to use spdif/optical/toslink/bullshit

[23:22:12]

dustybin:

i got a turtle beach in my mythbox

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dustybin:

it works well

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dustybin:

Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0d8c:0103 C-Media Electronics, Inc. Turtle Beach Audio Advantage Micro

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Dagmar:

Well, if I weren't COMPLETELY fed up with the entire problem I'd toss that card and go back to using one of the spare SBLive! Value cards I've got

[23:22:50]

Dagmar:

I got it because it had optical and coax out

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phunyguy:

...

[23:23:06]

Dagmar:

...which I thought I could put to use without needing anti-depressant drugs

[23:23:16]

phunyguy:

i have a live 5.1 card

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phunyguy:

laying around

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JEDIDIAH__:

what's the 5.1 output look like physically?

[23:23:23]

dustybin:

who needs drugs when you have mythtv :P

[23:23:27]

phunyguy:

with the same type of digitao IO bs

[23:23:31]

Dagmar:

Three 1/8" plugs

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phunyguy:

digital*

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phunyguy:

blue plug for the stupid converter box

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Dagmar:

Two for the front, two for the rear, two for the sub and center channels

[23:24:20]

phunyguy:

maybe i should try that SB Live 5.1

[23:24:28]

phunyguy:

that is SUCH an old card though

[23:24:32]

Dagmar:

You do have to prod it into "5.1" mode, otherwise one of those sockets keeps being a line input

[23:24:46]

JEDIDIAH__:

so discrete rca outputs.

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Dagmar:

Basically yeah

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JEDIDIAH__:

I have my current setup set to 4.1 and it's good enough to fool the wife for now.

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Dagmar:

Nice, straightforward, not-makin-me-want-to-kill-a-buncha-people outputs

[23:25:15]

phunyguy:

meh.

[23:25:31]

phunyguy:

you would think digital would be easier.

[23:25:50]

JEDIDIAH__:

digital from the likes of sony is a plot to lock things up.

[23:25:53]

Dagmar:

Ah yes but that would mean you had no idea that intellectual property lawyers could get involved.

[23:25:59]

phunyguy:

what would really be awesome, is if nvidia stopped creating hardware that confuses ALSA because I have a motherboard with HDMI.

[23:26:00]

JEDIDIAH__:

yeah, what he said.

[23:26:07]

phunyguy:

but i can only get 2 channel out of the HDMI

[23:26:12]

Dagmar:

Yep.

[23:26:26]

phunyguy:

HDMI/DVI

[23:26:30]

phunyguy:

but don't get me started on that again

[23:26:33]

Dagmar:

That's because HDMI 1.2 can only do two channels without (ta-da!) some dolby encoding.

[23:26:48]

Dagmar:

You have to love that.

[23:27:00]

phunyguy:

and that dolby encoding can happen in windows?

[23:27:00]

Dagmar:

You're contractucally obligated to loving it because you were somewhere near a EULA.

[23:27:12]

phunyguy:

just not in linux?

[23:27:25]

Dagmar:

yeah the manuf paid for a licence and they supply you with a windows driver that can implement it

[23:27:36]

phunyguy:

oh, garbage

[23:27:43]

phunyguy:

see, the ATi motherboard I had before...

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phunyguy:

had crappy video performance

[23:27:57]

phunyguy:

also had HDMI with 5.1

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phunyguy:

:(

[23:28:08]

phunyguy:

and the 5.1 worked

[23:28:12]

phunyguy:

actually it was 7.1

[23:28:16]

Dagmar:

You can do 5.1 over HDMI.

[23:28:17]

phunyguy:

but i don't have a 7.1 setup

[23:28:21]

Dagmar:

You just have to have dolby support

[23:28:24]

phunyguy:

RIGHT

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phunyguy:

and i don't have that

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phunyguy:

i get it :)

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Dagmar:

:)

[23:28:37]

phunyguy:

i HAD it

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Dagmar:

NOW you see why i said "F**K IT!" and started doing plain 5.1 analog output

[23:28:52]

Dagmar:

I was LOUD about it, too.

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phunyguy:

but i ruined it

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JEDIDIAH__:

dolby is like bluray or cablecard

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phunyguy:

and sold it for this crappy motherboard that has crappy audio AND video support

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JEDIDIAH__:

or hdmi

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Dagmar:

Mainly they're idiots

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gbee:

phunyguy: what was wrong with the video on the old board?

[23:29:36]

Dagmar:

They've convinced everyone to go to using a compression format that isn't even needed just so that they ohnly have to connect two wires between devices.

[23:29:36]

phunyguy:

it was slow.

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phunyguy:

with proprietary drivers

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Dagmar:

HOW this could possibly be a cost savings, I have no effing idea.

[23:29:52]

phunyguy:

1080p was terrible.

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gbee:

phunyguy: what chipset? just sounds like you didn't configure it right

[23:29:56]

Dagmar:

Copper wire is just not that damn expensive

[23:30:10]

phunyguy:

well i didn't want to do too much configuring – i just wanted a new card

[23:30:20]

phunyguy:

but it was setup with the fglrx drivers

[23:30:27]

JEDIDIAH__:

well, compression does allow you to change the number of channels without any physical changes...

[23:30:28]

phunyguy:

or whatever it is

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Dagmar:

...nevermind that they're supposedly all about audio fidelity and that's diametrically opposed to the concept of digital conversion

[23:30:34]

phunyguy:

i mean it wasnt terrible

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phunyguy:

but it was noticeable.

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phunyguy:

i figured " dangit – it's an ATI card, i should just buy an NVidia card"

[23:31:37]

phunyguy:

that was mistake #1

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gbee:

hey, I keep saying, but everyone thinks that I'm mad

[23:33:07]

phunyguy:

card = board

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phunyguy:

mean tto say board

[23:33:13]

phunyguy:

meant to*

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gbee:

there are guys in here that would rather cut off the left ball than even try ATi, can't fight that sort of antipathy

[23:35:09]

justinp_home:

Does anybody know where myth's new internal fw changers are located?

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justinp_home:

The changers it uses for fw tuners, I mean – if I could tell myth to use that changer on my pvr-150 input, I'd be golden

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gbee:

you can signal over firewire, you can't over s-video/composite on the PVR-150

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justinp_home:

Right

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justinp_home:

Unfortunately, due to 5C encryption I can't get video over fw

[23:38:22]

justinp_home:

changing channels works fine though.

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JEDIDIAH__:

gbee: my interpretation of the default theme "tree" widget... http://mishnet.org/~mythtv/mythvideo-tree-default.png

[23:38:44]

justinp_home:

So, I want to use myth's internal fw channel changer to change channels, but the pvr-150 to record

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gbee:

justinp_home: ah

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justinp_home:

I just can't figure out how to tell myth to do this

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iamlindoro:

justinp_home, You can't.

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gbee:

JEDIDIAH__: can't say I see much point in going with a single bin tree, you might as well use a buttonlist instead, but whatever works for you

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JEDIDIAH__:

I thought that was a button list.

[23:40:30]

justinp_home:

iamlindoro, why not?

[23:40:45]

JEDIDIAH__:

a single column in the buttonlist/tree means that my longer names are readable.

[23:40:47]

gbee:

JEDIDIAH__: is it? well it's unthemed so I just assumed

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justinp_home:

Is there no way to access that changer externally?

[23:41:05]

JEDIDIAH__:

I've been messing with what's in video-ui.xml

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iamlindoro:

justinp_home, Because myth's internal changer is *only* for firewire capture. It's not something you can just use with any capture card type without writing your own code to do it

[23:41:25]

iamlindoro:

justinp_home, nope, no external command is run, it's all in the code

[23:41:37]

JEDIDIAH__:

the version in trunk is too different than the 0.21 layout.

[23:41:49]

justinp_home:

Would there be a way I could tell myth to change channels on both tuners then?

[23:41:50]

iamlindoro:

Which is why if you want to use a firewire channel change with a non-firewire capture card you need to make the contrib firewire applications work for you

[23:42:07]

justinp_home:

Ugh.

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JEDIDIAH__:

why not have an external firewire script for the channel changing

[23:42:20]

JEDIDIAH__:

?

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justinp_home:

There are external changers, but they use the old firewire stack

[23:43:07]

justinp_home:

I'm running mythdora 10.22, which uses the new stack, which is incompatible with the old changer scripts

[23:43:44]

iamlindoro:

justinp_home, Helpfully for you, jarod is one of the maintainers of that stuff, so you might communicate that to your packagers and see if they can help

[23:44:04]

iamlindoro:

Since he adapted myth for the new stuff, he would be the go-to guy for updating the channel changers

[23:44:19]

justinp_home:

I'm talking to them too

[23:44:28]

justinp_home:

So far, no love though

[23:44:45]

iamlindoro:

May just need to be patient until it gets looked at if you can't grok the source yourself

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justinp_home:

I'm looking at the C source for the sa3250 changer, and it looks like it's really tied in to the old libs

[23:45:39]

iamlindoro:

very possibly

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justinp_home:

I might need to blacklist the new drivers at this point and compile the old fw stack

[23:46:17]

justinp_home:

assuming it will even work with the newer kernel

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gbee:

JEDIDIAH__: personally I'd rather re-arrange/rename files, but maybe that's just me ... there is definately room for tv series metadata support, episode numbers etc so you don't need that crap to appear in the display title

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gbee:

my video 'collection' currently consists of just films, so layouts like http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/terra_videomanager.png http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/terra_vidbrowse.png http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mimic_mediastream2.png fit my usage better

[23:51:47]

iamlindoro:

gbee, The depends stuff will really help with the mediastream episodes stuff

[23:51:52]

iamlindoro:

(among many other places)

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gbee:

I'm assuming the tvdb.com support, plus what iamlindoro is working on will make TV series handling a little better

[23:52:17]

iamlindoro:

plus my schweet metadata patch, of course :)

[23:53:32]

gbee:

iamlindoro: I'd like to see subtitle and episode files in the database, along with a 'type' enum for TV, Film so we can display things differently or treat data differently accordingly

[23:53:44]

iamlindoro:

I am thinking of taking a run at the directory preferences next

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gbee:

e.g. a column for episode number could also double as the part/sequel number for a film series

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

If I do that I'd want to split title and subtitle out at the same time if And uin were amenable

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iamlindoro:

(not highlighting him because I think I've scared him out of the channel lately ;) )

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iamlindoro:

It'd be nice to be able to poll lastseason/lastepisode for PBB->MV export too

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iamlindoro:

Think I have something in mind to allow manually incrementing the season too

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