Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, February 17th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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justinh:

is there anywhere doing legal flac or high bitrate ogg music downloads yet?

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justinh:

not paying > cheap CD prices for an inferior medium

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Dibblah:

Can someone do me a really big favor and try running a command for me?

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Dibblah:

wakeonlan -i pendor.org -p 4696 00:01:80:67:1c:4f

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Dibblah:

Obviously, needs wakeonlan installed

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justinh:

trying now

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justinh:

completed. did it do anything?

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Dibblah:

justinh: :)

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Dibblah:

Thanks.

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Dibblah:

Yes, it woke the box up.

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GreyFoxx:

haha nice

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Dibblah:

What you need: Proxy ARP on the router so it can get a MAC for the incoming IP address, a forwarded port and the above command.

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Dibblah:

Oh, and a 'g' or magic packet capable NIC.

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Dibblah:

(This is for the DVB-s/t/c test box – So I can leave it accessible, but powered down)

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justinh:

WoL has always afflicted my frontend no matter what platform it exists on

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justinh:

put it into standby & sometimes the ethernet controller poos its pants

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justinh:

so it needs power cycled anyway. pff

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Dibblah:

I've seen that on netbooted devices. Seems *much* better with recent kernels.

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justinh:

the only thing common between all the frontend incarnations is the case, PSU & optical drive

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justinh:

I want to try making it a local booter soon

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justinh:

easier to hack on it

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iamlindoro:

"I've answered numerous questions about how to use this amazing application, one I have said--since about my second day using MythTV way back in the dark ages of December 1995--is a few years ahead of the so-called state of the art in the non-MythTV world."

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iamlindoro:

Using Myth in 1995 would be a neat trick indeed

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k-man:

any idea how well this would work with mythtv/linux? http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=13626

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k-man:

i hear rumours the graphics card does not work well with linux

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iamlindoro:

It's ATI, probably works fine with the closed source driver

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iamlindoro:

though you won't get hardware acceleration or anything, so you'll be limited by processor

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iamlindoro:

Which is a single core atom... so it'd be fine for SD, but probably not for HD

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k-man:

oh

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k-man:

thats a shame

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justinh:

well, until ATI's video acceleration API shows some signs of existing in real terms ;)

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k-man:

justinh: but thats not likely to happen any time soon right?

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k-man:

how useable is the windows port of mythtv for a frontend?

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justinh:

it's not

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justinh:

you'd be lucky if you got it to compile right now

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k-man:

yeah, thought so

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Even then, AFAIK only the 4xxx series are enabled for UVD2

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justinh:

and I don't think there's any glimmer of hardware acceleration there either

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iamlindoro:

justinh, and (ISTR) their XvBa is UVD2 only

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justinh:

so no cigar for ATI yet. bless

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k-man:

is the windows port broken because of the move to qt4 or something?

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justinh:

I really do want there to be more in the field than just nvidia

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justinh:

k-man: nah, it's just a cobbled together heap of stuff IMHO

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iamlindoro:

The windows port is broken because nobody actually cares about it and simultaneously is capable of making it better

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k-man:

hehe

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k-man:

fair enough

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iamlindoro:

Lots of people capable, lots of people care, but few people with both traits

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k-man:

so is there any small pc like the asus that could be used to run mythfrontend for HD content?

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justinh:

in real terms people would have to tear most of mythfrontend to bits & redo it to be a true cross-platform app

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iamlindoro:

The nVidia ION will be capable when it comes out

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justinh:

k-man: be on the lookout for nvidia ion

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iamlindoro:

Or, if you can stand mini itx (smallest "normal" mobo standard out there) there is a mini ITX nvidia 9300 board coming on Wednesday

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iamlindoro:

roughly Apple TV size

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k-man:

iamlindoro: but theres nothing in the market right now?

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k-man:

when will nvidia ion devices be available?

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iamlindoro:

in that form factor? the previous version based on the 8200. Why, you can't wait 48 hours?

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iamlindoro:

Summer

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iamlindoro:

http://www.zotac.com/index.php?option=com_con . . . p;Itemid=227

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iamlindoro:

Will be released Wednesday

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k-man:

iamlindoro: summer in northern hemisphere?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, summer in the northern hemisphere

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justinh:

there's a hemisphere that isn't northern? :-O

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iamlindoro:

"That other one"

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k-man:

iamlindoro: the zotac board isn't as slim as that asus box – but its worth looking at

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justinh:

wow. how quiet has the -dev list been of late?

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iamlindoro:

That Asus box is a nettop POS

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Dibblah:

justinh: There's been a few messages.

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iamlindoro:

An orange also isn't as small as some rocks, but it sure tastes better

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justinh:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/370756 – are those guys really talking about what I think they are? pooling commercial flagging data? for real? heheheh

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iamlindoro:

Again??

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justinh:

yeah but this time it's crossing over into real-life attempts to make it possible

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iamlindoro:

commercial flagging is so *trivial*, I just don't get it

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justinh:

it is in places where it works most of the time

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Dibblah:

It's not trivial.

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iamlindoro:

I mean, on any reasonable box you can set it to start w/ the recording and have it finished within moments of the recording, so....?

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Dibblah:

It only really works for (some) US programs.

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iamlindoro:

Dibblah, well if he's sharing data with a local person, it's obviously the same programming

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iamlindoro:

It's not going to magically not work for the next guy with the same exact recording

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iamlindoro:

So clearly it's working for "guy a," no reason "guy b" can't do it himself

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Dibblah:

http://www.parallax.com/tabid/407/Default.aspx

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Dibblah:

Whups. Wrong channel.

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justinh:

iamlindoro: if I ever do any more work on concept, my attention to detail is going (I hope) to be amazing if this ripping project is anything to go by

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

how so?

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justinh:

dunno if you've caught be babbling about it.. (and god I have done) but it's more than just insert disc & walk away

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iamlindoro:

Yeah... one of the reasons I'll likely never rip my collection :)

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justinh:

one of the reasons I stopped buying music was because I couldn't keep what I already owned organised

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justinh:

that & I didn't _have_ to buy music anymore for my work

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keith:

okay... i'm confused

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keith:

Transcode (Finished: Mon Feb 16, 2009, 06:58 PM)

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keith:

Autodetect: 9.4 GB => 12.7 GB

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justinh:

common misconception :)

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tanderson:

keith: it's a new feature, it adds quality to the video by transcoding it

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Dibblah:

That would be somewhat on the 'lose some' side of the equation.

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** keith sighs **

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iamlindoro:

You must have compiled MythCSI

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iamlindoro:

"Enhance that!"

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keith:

that's mpeg2 -> mpeg4

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keith:

how is that *possible*?!

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iamlindoro:

by having a bitrate higher than the incoming set

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justinh:

it's possible by encoding to a ... what he said

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keith:

sonofabitch

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iamlindoro:

ie if file a is 9 Mbit, and you transcode to 12 mbit.... tada!

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keith:

there doesn't happen to be a patch to mythtranscode that adds an option for "--half: detect the bitrate of the source material, and sete the output bitrate to 1/2 the input", does there?

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iamlindoro:

nope

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iamlindoro:

but now that we have the help text you're like 99% of the way there, right?

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keith:

basically

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JEDIDIAH___:

is that new zotac board going to be onsale anywhere in 48 hrs?

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keith:

i'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to complete the rest of it

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iamlindoro:

Who knows, depends on when they ship, how fast retailers work, etc.

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iamlindoro:

It'll show up at newegg once all of that is done

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JEDIDIAH___:

it took awhile for the 1.5TB drives to filter through.

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JEDIDIAH___:

...although a bird in the bush is still better than none at all..

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JEDIDIAH___:

does anyone know the details off the tops of their head for the "dummy recording device" hack? I'm building a dummy backend to test the recent trunk that gave me trouble with mythvideo.

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Dibblah:

If it's just video, you don't need a recording device.

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JEDIDIAH___:

the trunk backend won't start without a capture device.

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JEDIDIAH___:

...it's like all the sharp corners are being ground down and rubberized.

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JEDIDIAH___:

'-0

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JEDIDIAH___:

-')

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JEDIDIAH___:

'-)

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clop:

hi, i forgot the password for my "mythtv" user in the mysql database, is there a way to find it somewhere?

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keith:

mysql.txt?

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keith:

is there any way to promote a queued job to the front of the queue?

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clever:

keith: you could cheat using the scheduledruntime field

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clever:

set all other jobs to run in 1 hour

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keith:

hmmm

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keith:

how about.... giving priority to commflagging over transcoding?

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clever:

within a single recording or between different ones?

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keith:

different ones

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clever:

you have defered transcodes enabled and the 20 transcode jobs that unload every day drown out the flaging jobs?

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keith:

e.g., yesterday i queued up a whole pile of transcodes... and the backend has been transcoding for 24 hours straight. still has 3 or 4 to go. but there's a recording that just started 13 minutes ago, which i would love to watch without commercials, sometime tonight

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clever:

yep

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clever:

i get similar problems

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keith:

now, i can live without it tonight. but is there a way to keep this from happening in the future? other than "don't queue so many jobs, idiot"?

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clever:

i run 'mythjobqueue' on several of my systems (they all have r/w mounts for the recordings over nfs)

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clever:

if i set one of those systems to never do transcodes

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keith:

then it will only do commflags!

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keith:

brilliant

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clever:

then it basicaly becomes a dedicated flagging system, and can continue to flag while others transcode

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keith:

i guess i could throw a few more boxes at the problem

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clever:

i run it on every frontend i have

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keith:

wait, you installed mythjobqueue only?

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clever:

you have to install everything

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clever:

but the way i have things installed, they all share the same install

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keith:

ah, clever, clever

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clever:

i compiled from trunk using --prefix=/media/mainlv/root/8.04/

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clever:

then i have that available to every system thru nfs

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clever:

all thats left is the usual updates to PATH and /etc/ld.so.cache

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keith:

i *do* have a c2d frontend that is mostly idle

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clever:

conf*

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clever:

yeah i usualy borrow my dads c2d laptop for that

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clever:

the only real problem from running mythjobqueue on a frontend

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clever:

things will break if you shut the frontend down while doing a job

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keith:

no risk of that

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keith:

computers are basically the only thing that heats my house

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clever:

im heating my closet with the master backend

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Pebby:

my pet birds use the backend as their bed, it's so warm =P

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clever:

lol

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clever:

if i turn the furnace off i get a cold draft under the closet door

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clever:

its not enough to actualy heat the house:P

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Pebby:

Ah, if I turn my house heating off, I actually create small weather systems in my closet door

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clever:

lol

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Pebby:

Every time I run mythtranscode a hurricane hits my bed

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clever:

i have 2 desktops underneath the thermostat for the upstairs system

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clever:

its got a large pocket of warm air arround it

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clever:

so the heat never comes on

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Pebby:

Well at least the thermostat stays warm?

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clever:

i have to turn it up to 25 to get any heat

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JEDIDIAH__:

so... any thoughts on why the current version of trunk doesn't see any of my avi or vob viles?

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JEDIDIAH__:

I grabbed it over the weekend.

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JEDIDIAH__:

...hoping to get vdpau running.

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JEDIDIAH__:

I wonder if the cosmetic changes also means that more substantive changes happened underneath...

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josh_:

JEDIDIAH__, I'm not really versed on this, but i belive it's discouraged for you to ask trunk-related questions in the -users list.

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GreyFoxx:

JEDIDIAH__: I assume you have done a scan for files?

[01:57:41]

JEDIDIAH__:

of course the first thing I did was run video manager. although it's didn't really do anything.

[01:58:20]

GreyFoxx:

Just going into video manager doesn't do a scan/update anymore

[01:58:28]

GreyFoxx:

you have to specifically tell it to scan for changes

[01:58:54]

GreyFoxx:

and it can be done from the list/gallery now without gong to the manager at all

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JEDIDIAH__:

yes, I think I just figured that bit out.

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JEDIDIAH__:

I'll see if it worked...

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josh_:

is there a way to initiate a scan using command line?

[01:59:42]

josh_:

preferably in the background?

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JEDIDIAH__:

...although I think I did this with my "upgraded" version and it didn't do anything or acknowledge my old files.

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GreyFoxx:

josh_: Nopw

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JEDIDIAH__:

josh: learn SQL

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josh_:

JEDIDIAH__, I've been working on it :) not educated enough to write a script to update though :)

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JEDIDIAH__:

...still does weird stuff even after the scan. although the scan seemed to pick up stuff more or less as expected.

[02:01:54]

** JEDIDIAH__ will play some more in his sandbox. **

[02:02:10]

JEDIDIAH__:

nearly killed the WAF by rolling this out around the house.

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GreyFoxx:

We only everrun trunk in production here, and other than the very rare glitch my wife and kid love it

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GreyFoxx:

and once I have the remote dvdrom/iso playback working with the new video streaming she'll be happier since I broke a couple of her ISO movies :)

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PMantis:

Hi guys. I've ripped a bunch of DVDs and they play great, but some of them show "0:01 of 0:01" on (i)nfo through the entire 1.5 hour movie, and if I skip ahead or back it exits the movie. Can't fast forward, instant reply, etc.

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phunyguy:

'allo!

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phunyguy:

talkative bunch ;)

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PMantis:

hah, yeah. SHUT UP guys. :)

[02:24:32]

PMantis:

Oh, and "Cars" ripped and plays in perfect quality, but (i)nfo shows "0:00:02 of 2751:49:02"

[02:25:09]

PMantis:

I didn't think Cars was 2751 hours long!

[02:26:45]

iamlindoro:

It only felt that way

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PMantis:

lol

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JEDIDIAH__:

pm... that sounds a lot like stuff I've seen with the internal player.

[02:29:17]

JEDIDIAH__:

...presently, mythvideo doesn't see anything of mine at all.

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JEDIDIAH__:

I wonder if my symlink shenanigans are to blame.

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PMantis:

The internal player is the only thing that looks normal in the UI.

[02:32:49]

PMantis:

Some videos play perfectly, with skip forward, back, saved positions, etc. Others have this weird behavior of just exiting when I try to skip forward or back.

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Guest7171:

I am finally ready to add some tuner cards to my mythtv box....I will have to capture hdtv content off of Time Warner digital cable set top box...any favorite cards among the natives?

[02:42:44]

wagnerrp:

your ONLY hardware option is the hdpvr

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wagnerrp:

which is only available in trunk

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, you can capture SD video through any analog tuner and the STB

[02:43:48]

wagnerrp:

or, you may be able to connect it over firewire, and not have to purchase anything

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Guest7171:

I already tried firewire...the guy I was talking to kept calling it firewall...so I am guessing its out ;)

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PMantis:

lol

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wagnerrp:

whay guy?

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Guest7171:

it was the head of the STB technical group...they service and distribute all STB in my area

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JEDIDIAH__:

hdpvr... thus joy of running trunk.

[02:45:38]

PMantis:

"Hello, moron tech support, may I confuse you?"

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wagnerrp:

they MUST provide firewire, and they MUST enable it upon request

[02:46:09]

wagnerrp:

they do not actually have to provide any channels unencrypted

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Guest7171:

LOL

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clever:

PMantis: my ISP tech support forwarded us to the dlink tech when we had trouble connecting:P

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GreyFoxx:

except for local broadcast hd channels

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PMantis:

heh

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** JEDIDIAH__ checks his OTA antenna **

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Guest7171:

I found this...anyone try it....http://www.pchdtv.com/

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wagnerrp:

that is a digital tuner

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wagnerrp:

it cannot be used with your STB

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mchou:

Guest7171: if the dude you talked to didnt know the diff betw. firewall and firewire......

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keith:

i have two

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keith:

great card

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JEDIDIAH__:

"oh may gawd. I have a pyromaniac on the line."

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JEDIDIAH__:

"call 911"

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wagnerrp:

that digital tuner will only be able to receive unencrypted channels

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wagnerrp:

which means you will usually only be able to record the local broadcast channels, retransmitted over the cable line

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Guest7171:

since I run through STB, wont they be unencrypted at that point

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JEDIDIAH__:

tech support can't be underestimated.

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wagnerrp:

silicondust has a list of available unencrypted channels

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mchou:

oh lord

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wagnerrp:

Guest7171: your STB does not have a digital modulator

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wagnerrp:

you can only capture analog video off of it

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JEDIDIAH__:

you say you did STB tech stuff, eh?

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wagnerrp:

or... capture over firewire

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wagnerrp:

if you have to use analog capture, the HDPVR is the only thing compatible with mythtv that will record in HD

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JEDIDIAH__:

the HDPVR is on the short list of anything that can record HD cable in a meaningful way.

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PMantis:

ok, seems to be that all .vob files misbehave on the internal player

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wagnerrp:

basically, youve got that, and youve got some blackmagic hdmi capture card

[02:50:41]

wagnerrp:

but the blackmagic card doesnt work in linux, and doesnt support HDCP, rendering it effectively worthless

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JEDIDIAH__:

the black magic doesn't compress. It's like an HD version of the bt879

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Guest7171:

cool

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wagnerrp:

theres also some matrox card, but it starts at $2K...

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: there's more to it than just knowing the GMT offset... Each host computes filenames based on unixtime values converted to local time, so if one has a different GMT offset at any time in the past /or/ future, some recordings will be "lost" (i.e. right now, one system is on some time zone in standard time that never goes to DST and another is on standard time, but later uses DST...)

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Guest7171:

wow thats all

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Guest7171:

;)

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: the /right/ solution is to never use local time for program listings/recordings/or anything, but I'm leaving that fix for someone who really feels it's important to be able to run clients in different time zones or who's really concerned about the "ambiguous" hour when DST changes occur.

[02:57:06]

JEDIDIAH__:

the problem with /etc/timezone is that there is a 1:N relationship between actual timezones and timezone names.

[02:57:07]

sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: especially when the "fix" for the current implementation is as simple as: TZ="America/New_York" mythfrontend

[02:57:30]

sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: apply my patches

[02:57:41]

JEDIDIAH__:

what do your patches do?"

[02:57:56]

** JEDIDIAH__ already buggered all of his timezone files. **

[02:58:10]

sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5896 and http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5872

[02:58:41]

JEDIDIAH__:

seems sensible.

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sphery:

and there's /no/ reason you have to change system configuration... Only configuration of the shell that runs the program... i.e. ideally: export TZ="whatever you want"

[02:59:18]

sphery:

But I still have /no/ idea why people feel that it's critical to be able to run two different myth clients (where clients are processes, not hosts) in different time zones

[02:59:29]

JEDIDIAH__:

they aren't really

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JEDIDIAH__:

people just aren't deterministic in how they setup boxes.

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mchou:

sphery: who the hell cares? a frontend should never have to worry about time at all

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** JEDIDIAH__ was thinking that as well. **

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mchou:

sphery: everything should be keyed off the back end

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Pebby:

My house is in two different time zones you insensitive clod!

[03:00:26]

sphery:

patches welcome :)

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PMantis:

sphery: Unless someon has two frontends at opposite ends of the house, and sits on a timezone line.

[03:00:53]

PMantis:

lol

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PMantis:

Pebby: Damn, you beat me to it.

[03:01:16]

Pebby:

Sometimes I enjoy watching shows from an hour in the future because it makes me feel like I'm a time-traveler

[03:01:22]

sphery:

Pebby: that means you have to run 2 different (completely disconnected) mythtv systems... it's in the shrink-wrap license agreement you agreed to when you opened the MythTV software box. :)

[03:01:30]

Pebby:

And I scream, every time it auto-skips a commercial, "I Have the POWER!"

[03:01:40]

mchou:

I dont even understand why a frontend should give a damn about the time zone

[03:01:42]

PMantis:

LOL

[03:01:55]

sphery:

Sheez... trying to save yourself one times the license cost :)

[03:01:56]

Pebby:

sphery: Oh crap, I clicked through the 10 EULAs on myth ;)

[03:02:16]

mchou:

you record stuff on the back end, and that's where the critical stuff happens

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** JEDIDIAH__ just happened to have 2 boxes with a different name for the same bloody timezone (really stupid of the distro really) **

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JEDIDIAH__:

it was a mild annoyance/shock.

[03:03:10]

JEDIDIAH__:

more surprise than anything else.

[03:03:33]

JEDIDIAH__:

it was just preparing me for the changes in mythvideo... '-)

[03:04:19]

PMantis:

Isn't browsing a the lineup somewhat time critical? If a show starts at 8, but it displays 9 because of some timezone issue, that would bother me. But, my whole house is in the same timezone, and my backend and frontends don't notice. :)

[03:04:20]

sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: yeah, time zone id isn't handled uniformly across distros and the whole approach we're using to determine zone ID is a hack (but the same one used by every single platform that provides time zone support for Unix-like clients--like Java/PHP/...)

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: but, since it just requires setting a proper time zone ID before starting Myth-critical processes, it's good enough for now (based on the amount of work--including a ton of testing--required to fix it properly). I'll check the error message to see if I can be more direct in suggesting the use of export TZ=...

[03:06:05]

** sphery wonders if anyone who read that noticed that MySQL would be included by that description **

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mchou:

sphery: why does anyone need to mess with TZ unless it's a backend?

[03:08:00]

sphery:

the frontend still has to do time-based calculations to request specific things

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mchou:

sphery: such as?

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sphery:

again, all because we're not storing data/communicating time data with a single-possible interpretation

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Der_Thomas:

Having a problem with MythVideo and wondering if anyone can help me troubleshoot it?

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Der_Thomas:

If I go to play a video that is already in my list of videos it plays just fine, however if I go to the video manager and search for videos, it says that all of the current videos are missing and wants to remove them

[03:15:23]

Der_Thomas:

it also does not find any of the new videos I put in the video directory

[03:16:10]

Der_Thomas:

The path seems to be OK, or the player wouldn't be able to play them, but the Video manager can't see them

[03:16:21]

Der_Thomas:

Anyone have any ideas?

[03:17:06]

Der_Thomas:

When ever I search for new videos, it says "Video xyz seems to be missing do you wan to remoe it" or something like that

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Der_Thomas:

I've been saying No To All so that I don;t loose any of the meta data

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sphery:

Der_Thomas: I could see that happening if you had directories that didn't have exec permission (i.e. can't list their contents for the scan, but can retrieve their contents to play)

[03:21:42]

iamlindoro:

or if you inserted your videos using some other tool

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sphery:

true that

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iamlindoro:

as some of those set the filename field with several slashes in some spots "//"

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Der_Thomas:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

which will play fine

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iamlindoro:

but fail a scan

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sphery:

because Myth find /My_Video.avi instead of //My_Video.avi?

[03:22:42]

sphery:

that makes a lot of sense

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iamlindoro:

yep

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Der_Thomas:

they are mounted over cifs

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sphery:

and mounted with the appropriate unix permissions faked?

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Der_Thomas:

hmm, gues I'm not sure, not my strung suit

[03:24:57]

Der_Thomas:

this just broke though

[03:25:04]

Der_Thomas:

worked for quite some time

[03:25:29]

Der_Thomas:

here is the mount line:

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Der_Thomas:

/192.168.1.50/media2 /mnt/NewMythvideo smbfs user=foo,password=bar 0 0

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Gumby`:

sweet, he gave his IP.

[03:26:05]

** Gumby` hacks him **

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Der_Thomas:

haha

[03:26:29]

Gumby`:

I'm in

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** Gumby` does a rm -rf **

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Gumby`:

/

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Gumby`:

wtf.. why is my fileserver not working properly

[03:27:11]

sphery:

hard part is finding the gateway that's between that set-aside network and the Internet :)

[03:27:55]

Gumby`:

sphery, I am totally in already!! I deleted all of his recordings.

[03:28:02]

Gumby`:

On an unrelated not, all of my recordings are gone

[03:28:05]

Gumby`:

not/note

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Gumby`:

hehe

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sphery:

Der_Thomas: I don't know enough about CIFS to help much... But I will ask, why smbfs instead of cifs

[03:28:19]

sphery:

Gumby`: heh

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Der_Thomas:

sphrey – I just noticed that in my fstab, not sure interesting that df -hT reports CIFS:

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Der_Thomas:

//192.168.1.50/media2

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Der_Thomas:

cifs 40G 30G 11G 75% /mnt/NewMythvideo

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Der_Thomas:

[03:29:44]

Gumby`:

lovely. our offsite mail host does our spam filtering for us. we keep getting a crapload of spam emails in cyrillic. I setup our spam filters to mark messages with specific cyrillic characters in them as spam. However it doesnt seem as they can filter on non-english letters

[03:29:45]

Gumby`:

lol

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sphery:

Der_Thomas: so, someone else is mounting it... maybe a hal thing or whatever.

[03:30:47]

sphery:

I'm the completely wrong person to help with that, though

[03:31:27]

wagnerrp:

i need to figure out what is wrong with my windows box

[03:31:52]

wagnerrp:

for some reason, playback is not running nicely

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wagnerrp:

2MB/s of network transfer causes some 50MB/s of disk IO on the backend

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** Gumby` wonders why "watch tv" resides in "TV Utilities" in this version of trunk **

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sphery:

wow

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sphery:

Gumby`: different menu theme

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Gumby`:

sphery, GANT ? oooh wait. I think I chose "DVR" option somewheres

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sphery:

yeah, Menu Theme, not (GUI) Theme

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Gumby`:

I see I see.

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** Gumby` now wonders what "classic" does **

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sphery:

Yeah, in a "true" DVR, you would never watch TV, except as a test /utility/ after adding new cards/changing video sources/channels/...

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Gumby`:

hrmm... well... I dunno. DVR is good for watching livetv and pausing as well (IMO)

[03:34:56]

Gumby`:

but maybe thats not considered a "true" dvr

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sphery:

All I ask is if you don't run default, make sure that you mention that you're using a different theme when you help people find stuff in Myth... Probably > 99.9% of users use default menu theme.

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link589:

Has anyone tried .22?

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Der_Thomas:

hey, so anyone know if there is a way to backup my MythVideo Metadata (movie posters etc) so I can let myth delete all my videos to trouble shoot my proplem

[03:35:20]

sphery:

link589: I will /very/ soon after it exists

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sphery:

Der_Thomas: I'd suggest a complete backup, test, complete restore

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sphery:

Der_Thomas: not to difficult with: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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Gumby`:

link589, once you realize the truth you will discover that there is no .22, only trunk

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Der_Thomas:

thanks sphery

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link589:

yes I know, I was gonna complie it and try it out

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Gumby`:

then do it

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sphery:

if you want a DVR to record TV, your best bet is probably -fixes

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link589:

thanks

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** Gumby really doesnt know enough to be using trunk but likes to fiddle with new stuff **

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link589:

also does anyone have a better way of gathering info for movies/tvshows more like xbmc, I would like to be able to add all my TV shows and have descriptions

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** Gumby noticed tonight that when he turns his bedroom light on, his IR sensor senses it like a button press on a remote **

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Gumby:

link589, I think there are some scripts that hook into various websites. I could never get it to work properly though

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link589:

hmm okay thanks

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tijoev:

I only get two channels with program data in my program guide. The rest all say unkown. Not sure how to get Schedules Direct to populate the data.

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Lexridge:

It is great to finally be able to receive an off-air digital station. We got our Fox affiliate's channel 10 transmitter turned on Sunday night, and I have a beautiful picture from it at my house. Next project is to make it HD.

[04:56:11]

JEDIDIAH__:

anyone else tried running myth in virtualbox?

[04:57:19]

Lexridge:

The crazy thing is, my outdoor antenna got twisted so badly in the wind storm we had last Wed, it is literally pointing straight at the ground, and still picking the station up from 20 some miles away. :)

[05:00:11]

Lexridge:

JEDIDIAH: Does it work in virtualbox?

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PMantis:

Lexridge: Our local stations have been broadcasting digitally for a couple months now. One station actually dropped a channel – only broadcasting 3 streams now.

[05:01:58]

PMantis:

Total of 9 local digital OTA channels here.

[05:03:11]

Lexridge:

PMantis: Nice. We will have CBS/AccuWx on 5, Fox/CW, NBC/ABC on 12 and PBS on 24 when everyone gets turned on.

[05:03:28]

Lexridge:

PMantis: Nice. We will have CBS/AccuWx on 5, Fox/CW on 10, NBC/ABC on 12 and PBS on 24 when everyone gets turned on.

[05:04:07]

PMantis:

Our channel 10 broadcasts 10.2 as weather 24/7

[05:04:30]

Lexridge:

that is what our 5.1 will do.

[05:04:42]

Lexridge:

er.....5.2 that is

[05:04:46]

PMantis:

Funny, Fox is 31 here. Sounds weird to hear about Fox on 10! LOL

[05:04:56]

Lexridge:

yea lol

[05:05:13]

PMantis:

Like, what is this the twilight zone? :)

[05:05:13]

Lexridge:

it was analog channel 46, and still is until June 12

[05:05:52]

PMantis:

So, your lowest OTA analog is 5?

[05:06:24]

Lexridge:

that was crazy.....I'm watching The Tonight Show, and they just played the Twilight Zone music.....Holy crap!!!!

[05:06:36]

PMantis:

ROFL

[05:06:56]

PMantis:

and I don't even HAVE a TV on! HEHE

[05:06:59]

Lexridge:

the lowest OTA is 5 locally.

[05:07:14]

PMantis:

We have 8,10,13,21,31 alalog

[05:07:25]

Lexridge:

Some people can receive channel 2 KDKA from Pittsburgh, but I cannot.

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PMantis:

8 on analog cable always has a "ghost" like you can see a faint second copy of the image half off the screen.

[05:08:16]

PMantis:

Does your 5 do that?

[05:09:13]

Lexridge:

Is the cable channel for the station the same as their actual broadcast channel? (ie. where I live, on cable, channel 5 is on channel 7 because of co-channel interference)

[05:11:01]

Lexridge:

however, if are are receiving this "ghost" off air, you simply have a reflection to your antenna.

[05:11:01]

PMantis:

Yes, here, the 8,10,13 are identical OTA and on cable. But, 21 becomes 11, and 31 becomes 7 on cable. 8 always has a ghost, and our theory is that the broadcast version is leaking into the tuners along with the copy on the cable, and they're slightly out of phase.

[05:11:42]

Lexridge:

you are exactly right. That is what is happening, and what I was getting at. :)

[05:12:03]

PMantis:

Heh, interesting though... our channel 10 and 13 do not do that.

[05:12:11]

Lexridge:

If you cable company would move the channels to something else, the ghosts would disappear.

[05:12:29]

Lexridge:

Perhaps they are furthur away, or less power.

[05:12:41]

PMantis:

Hmmmm

[05:12:57]

PMantis:

8 is usually the hardest to pick up OTA, too.

[05:13:00]

wagnerrp:

PMantis: i get that occasionally

[05:13:12]

wagnerrp:

our local cable co intentionally puts crap on the overlap channels

[05:13:28]

PMantis:

lol

[05:13:40]

wagnerrp:

real estate tv, public access, cspan...

[05:13:51]

PMantis:

Well, with ATSC, that goes away – diff "real" channels anyhow.

[05:14:04]

wagnerrp:

the rest of the channels are high level, so they only conflict with digital frequencies

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PMantis:

It's been this way for *years*. I'm looking forward to the day when analog 8 goes away – I want to prove the theory right by watching the ghosts go away. :)

[05:15:25]

wagnerrp:

PMantis: when analog 8 goes away... they will probably shift the digital channel onto 8

[05:15:48]

wagnerrp:

you wont get the ghost image, but you will still have a quality drop on that channel

[05:16:57]

wagnerrp:

basically, it will just raise the noise floor

[05:17:43]

Lexridge:

the quality drop should only be the occassional digital blocks, but when that doesn't happen, the picture should be either perfect, or nonexistant.

[05:17:45]

PMantis:

wagnerrp: I understand that concept, and our channel 10 is doing this post transition. But, our 8.1 is apparently staying on ATSC 45.

[05:18:25]

PMantis:

Lexridge: I was originally referring to the quality problem with cable channel 8, which is analog.

[05:18:51]

Lexridge:

okay

[05:18:53]

wagnerrp:

really? i thought they were pulling all the UHF frequency leases post switch

[05:19:09]

Lexridge:

I have been reading that the VHF digital stations are better suited for mountain regions and UHF has better distance in flatter areas.

[05:19:30]

PMantis:

Heh

[05:19:45]

Lexridge:

I guess VHF "bounces" better than U

[05:20:34]

PMantis:

The lower the frequency, the less chances of a reflected signal of being 180 degrees out of phase.

[05:21:05]

wagnerrp:

and the higher likelyhood it will pass right through the offending object without reflection

[05:21:16]

PMantis:

According to antennaweb, our PBS (21), FOX (31), and CBS (8) are not moving post-transition.

[05:21:32]

PMantis:

wagnerrp: truw

[05:21:33]

Lexridge:

I have been waiting for channel 12 to go digital. They were suppose to turn off their analog at midnight EST, but so far, no digital tonight. :(

[05:21:37]

PMantis:

true

[05:21:41]

wagnerrp:

well... its got nothing to do with likelihood... just whether the object is shorter than the wavelength

[05:21:58]

PMantis:

heh

[05:22:09]

wagnerrp:

ive heard the FCC is actually limiting the shutdown

[05:22:21]

Lexridge:

they are

[05:22:22]

wagnerrp:

staggering it across stations in areas

[05:22:44]

wagnerrp:

ensuring that some analog stations will remain through june

[05:22:46]

Lexridge:

Our Channel 5 will now not go digital until June 12. :(

[05:23:07]

PMantis:

FOX is dropping out today, according to rumor

[05:23:12]

PMantis:

at least here.

[05:23:51]

PMantis:

FOX: The network notorious for starting a new series, and dropping it as soon as people start watching it.

[05:23:58]

Lexridge:

Jay Rockefeller himself called our station mgr last Sunday and requested we not go digital until the new deadline..

[05:24:16]

wagnerrp:

NBC?

[05:24:26]

Lexridge:

even though we were ready!!! :( No, CBS.

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PMantis:

Lexridge: We? You work for CBS in your area?

[05:25:17]

Lexridge:

phantis: yea, WDTV.com and WVFX.com

[05:25:52]

PMantis:

Cool. Give you a little more knowledge about the transition.

[05:26:27]

PMantis:

The stations around here have *all* been dual broadcasting for a couple months.

[05:26:37]

Lexridge:

wagnerrp: so we could still bring up our Fox affiliate, as it's digital is ch10, analog ch46. However, our ch5 transmitters are both on ch5. So, no digital at all for CBS yet.

[05:27:46]

Lexridge:

PMantis: We have been low power on 10 and 6 for a year, but I mean really lowwwww power. 100 and 300 watts respectivly.

[05:29:01]

PMantis:

Lexridge: BTW, According to antennaweb.com, my channel 8,10,13,21,31 are all 10.3 miles away at a compass heading of 163 deg... must all be using the same tower.

[05:29:12]

wagnerrp:

heh... WSTR (MyTV) is the only local station that doesnt have digital (last time i checked OTA)

[05:29:22]

wagnerrp:

everything else has been simulcasting for years

[05:29:57]

PMantis:

Lexridge: Comparing that to a CB radio, it sounds high at even 100W. What's FULL power??

[05:30:29]

Lexridge:

8kw for Fox and 10kw for CBS

[05:30:47]

Lexridge:

analog is 150kw for FOX and 100kw for CBS

[05:30:51]

simcop2387:

i keep meaning to build an antenna for OTA to see what i can get

[05:31:25]

PMantis:

simcop2387: I did... cardboard, aluminum foil, 2 coathangers, and a 2x4. :) That's all I use right now.

[05:31:28]

wagnerrp:

im watching 24 currently, they cant get a laptop to boot because 'the hard drive must be fried'

[05:31:38]

wagnerrp:

and yet, im looking at a bunch of icon on screen RIGHT NOW

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wagnerrp:

and a window just popped up

[05:31:48]

PMantis:

LOL

[05:32:19]

PMantis:

wagnerrp: In IT, I'm amazed by the absolute stupidity of some people when it comes to technology.

[05:33:41]

PMantis:

Yet, these same people could tell you the ins and outs of stereo equip, a car engine, etc... put them in front of a PC, and all logic goes out the window, and they start acting like patrick star. :)

[05:34:20]

simcop2387:

has a laptop who's MB is broken in some way, not sure what

[05:34:51]

simcop2387:

when i plug in the power supply the light on it goes off (the light on the supply), but when i take a meter to everything on the laptop i can't find a short

[05:35:01]

wagnerrp:

simcop2387: build an antenna? you dont have any old bunny ears laying around?

[05:35:07]

simcop2387:

none that work

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PMantis:

simcop2387: Try this.. it's what I did: http://uhfhdtvantenna.blogspot.com/

[05:35:51]

PMantis:

I plugged my redneck antenna into a HDHomeRun, and get 9 beautiful digital channels here.

[05:35:54]

Lexridge:

I've read that rabbit ears are making a huge comeback with the digital transition.

[05:36:19]

PMantis:

Well, with UHF, a loop is better than ears.

[05:36:32]

PMantis:

VHF uses the big ears. :)

[05:36:54]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, with digital, now OTA is cool again

[05:37:01]

PMantis:

heh

[05:37:05]

** PMantis agrees **

[05:37:10]

Lexridge:

well, true, but most rabbit ears come with a small loop, probably not very effective however. ;)

[05:37:20]

PMantis:

And it's free, free, free

[05:37:34]

simcop2387:

i'd be more adamant about building the antenna if i had a receiver i could record from for digital OTA, as it is i've only got the input on my tv

[05:37:41]

Lexridge:

yes, just like linux. free beer for everyone!!! lol

[05:37:57]

PMantis:

haha

[05:39:01]

PMantis:

Now, let's all start a MythTV network, where everyone hosts their recorded shows on torrents. :-D

[05:39:25]

GreyFoxx:

what a quick way to bring lawyers down on the developers heads :)

[05:39:44]

Lexridge:

no doubt!

[05:39:49]

PMantis:

It seemed like a good idea at first...

[05:40:05]

GreyFoxx:

There is a very good reason why there is no native Torrent support in myth :)

[05:40:05]

wagnerrp:

im listed as 4.2 miles away from a transmitter in a city 100 miles away

[05:40:41]

wagnerrp:

PMantis: the whole purpose of bittorrent is that everyone has the same files

[05:40:50]

PMantis:

But hey, if we can get it OTA on any equipment we want, record it on anything we want, why can't we share it on anything we want??

[05:40:51]

wagnerrp:

what good is that if everyone records their own version

[05:41:08]

PMantis:

wagnerrp: Yeah, there was that minor detail, too.

[05:41:23]

GreyFoxx:

PMantis: Viewing rights do NOT give you distribution nor rebroadcasting rights

[05:41:52]

wagnerrp:

PMantis: you have the right to record and store for personal use, there is nothing that says you can distribute it

[05:42:00]

GreyFoxx:

just like you have no right to download a copy of a show just cause you forgot to record it. The fact that you COULD have gotten it is irrelevant :)

[05:42:47]

PMantis:

GreyFoxx: I guess I could argue that they broadcast it to everyone in a 50 mile radius, so everyone in that radius is entitled to see it.

[05:42:54]

GreyFoxx:

Or better, people who think they can legally torrent an HD copy of a show just because they get the same channel in SD :)

[05:43:02]

wagnerrp:

everyone is entitled to record on their own

[05:43:12]

GreyFoxx:

PMantis: You are entitled to see it at the time of broadcast or on your own personal recording

[05:43:20]

wagnerrp:

they are NOT entitled to dump on a VHS/DVD and hand it to a neighbor

[05:43:30]

GreyFoxx:

you are not entitled to give it to a neighbour who didn't record his own :)

[05:43:46]

PMantis:

wagnerrp: I was just going to bring that up...

[05:43:52]

wagnerrp:

you are not entitled to give it to a neighbor who did record his own

[05:44:06]

PMantis:

Many times, I've recorded something for a friend, back in VHS days.

[05:44:21]

GreyFoxx:

Something you were "legally" allow to do

[05:44:25]

wagnerrp:

you can... and easily... but that doesnt make it legal

[05:44:32]

GreyFoxx:

and noone is gonna waste time chasing you down for that

[05:44:32]

wagnerrp:

oh, you were?

[05:44:41]

wagnerrp:

ah, the quotes

[05:44:44]

GreyFoxx:

I meant NOT legally allowed

[05:45:20]

GreyFoxx:

But if you start sitting on a street corner handing out vhs/dvd copies to anyone who passes by then someone might bring lawyers to your door :)

[05:45:37]

AndyCap:

more like cops to your street corner. :P

[05:45:44]

wagnerrp:

and if you start selling said copies, they will come all that much quicker

[05:45:50]

GreyFoxx:

Cops first at least :)

[05:45:54]

PMantis:

GreyFoxx: I gotta get some sleep, but part of me want to sit and argue this just for fun. :)

[05:45:58]

** GreyFoxx heads home **

[05:46:10]

GreyFoxx:

PMantis: It's not an argument. It's statements of how it is :)

[05:46:19]

GreyFoxx:

you wanting it to be a different way wont change it :)

[05:46:29]

GreyFoxx:

I want a pony

[05:46:42]

AndyCap:

Or move to a country where it is legal. :)

[05:46:46]

PMantis:

I get that, but I can't make sense of some laws – they're just stupid.

[05:46:46]

GreyFoxx:

but I suspect I wont find one in my driveway when I get home :)

[05:46:53]

GreyFoxx:

PMantis: Yeah a lot of them are

[05:47:01]

wagnerrp:

you have the right to use, you dont have the right to distribute... the fact that its not worth their time to go after you doesnt change that fact

[05:47:04]

GreyFoxx:

and if you are in the us and have to deal with that DMCA crap it's worse

[05:47:27]

PMantis:

DMCA?

[05:47:43]

wagnerrp:

digital millennium copyright act

[05:47:47]

GreyFoxx:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act

[05:47:51]

Lexridge:

PMantis: where have you been?

[05:47:56]

GreyFoxx:

All your content belongs to us

[05:48:08]

** GreyFoxx goes now **

[05:48:10]

wagnerrp:

that was even something slick willy pushed through

[05:48:31]

Lexridge:

yea, he and his hollywood buddies.

[05:48:33]

PMantis:

Oh, copyright... hold me baaaack!

[05:49:04]

wagnerrp:

basically, its the whole thing that makes it illegal to attempt to bypass DRM

[05:49:39]

Lexridge:

even when bypassing DRM is deemed legal.

[05:49:41]

Pebby:

I broke the DRM in my toilet :(

[05:50:26]

wagnerrp:

Pebby: you cut slots in the tank, to gain the right to a 1 gallon flush?

[05:50:42]

Lexridge:

I just took a huge DRM in the toilet and wiped with the RIAA.

[05:51:20]

Lexridge:

it was so nasty they even called in FEMA! lol

[05:51:56]

wagnerrp:

careful with that one... FEMA would take over the world if they could

[05:52:21]

Lexridge:

no, they are not smart enough

[05:53:16]

PMantis:

ROFL

[05:53:31]

wagnerrp:

theyre in cahoots with the UN, and a couple medical corporations

[05:54:06]

wagnerrp:

company called VersaLife i believe

[05:54:56]

PMantis:

All this is stupid crap. Forget the DRM, forget encrypting channels... they're all playing leapfrog. Simply find a way to embrace the sharing of content while making money, and everyone is better for it.

[05:54:58]

Lexridge:

well, the UN is bad enough. This country is so fscked up. Check out the mis-doings of the Carlyle Group.

[05:55:56]

Lexridge:

fortunetly, most networks nowadays offer their primetime programs for streaming.

[05:56:18]

PMantis:

True

[05:56:35]

PMantis:

And cable companies have what monopoly now??

[05:57:35]

Lexridge:

cable companies will begin to loose market share bigtime...and soon. As the economy continues to slip, cable and sat tv will be cut out of many peoples budgets.

[05:57:58]

PMantis:

I mean competition is strange lately... cable companies offering phone service, phone companies offering DSL and teaming up with satellite...

[05:59:29]

PMantis:

That's just want I want... all my services provided by one company... their network dies, I can't watch TV, stream it online... I can't even cal a friend, and ask him to place the phone near his TV, cause that's out, too!!

[06:00:01]

Lexridge:

yea, that is a bad situation.

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** PMantis is in a cynical mood tonight **

[06:00:41]

wagnerrp:

do be honest, im surprised phone companies havent made an effort to switch users over to digital

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wagnerrp:

i guess they have no motivation, since they already have all the FXS hardware in place

[06:01:44]

PMantis:

wagnerrp: True. At least they could have a DSL modem that is powered from the phone line, and not need a battery backup like cable

[06:01:56]

PMantis:

wagnerrp: Sounds like you're an Asterisk user, too.

[06:02:33]

wagnerrp:

PMantis: ive got a X100 card and an ATA, i havent gotten around to setting it up yet

[06:02:46]

wagnerrp:

and they DONT want people powering their modems off the phone lines

[06:03:17]

wagnerrp:

could you imagine the draw on their systems if they suddenly have a hundred thousand units all pulling a couple watts?

[06:03:19]

PMantis:

wagnerrp: Ping me if you want, I setup a few call centers and companies on Asterisk.

[06:03:19]

Lexridge:

I think to totally delete POTS would be a huge mistake. I am a firm believer in KISS (keep it simple stupid ;)

[06:03:24]

wagnerrp:

theyre not designed for that sort of operation

[06:04:13]

PMantis:

wagnerrp: Heh, but phones pull power, then there's the ringer voltage... they must use lots of power as it is.

[06:04:36]

wagnerrp:

all they pull is the ringer, the speaker and mic uses very little power

[06:04:38]

PMantis:

wagnerrp: Not disagreeing... just thinking.

[06:04:59]

wagnerrp:

and neither are used with any frequence

[06:05:22]

PMantis:

wagnerrp: Ok, that's the biggest point.

[06:05:56]

wagnerrp:

im just thinking phone companies already offer trunk lines and digital access for commercial subscribers

[06:06:29]

PMantis:

Oh, right... and what happened to fiber to the homes?

[06:06:51]

PMantis:

Ooooohh, I feel an OC coming......

[06:07:00]

wagnerrp:

OC?

[06:07:22]

PMantis:

Optical Carrier... like OC12, OC48. HUUUUUUUUUUGE data pipes

[06:07:39]

wagnerrp:

i guess theres not really any incentive to upgrade POTS since everyone is moving to cell phones anyway

[06:07:55]

wagnerrp:

ive not used anything bigger than a 3

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PMantis:

Heh, and cellular technology mostly uses VoIP, I suspect.

[06:08:51]

wagnerrp:

well, campus claims to have an OC3, but their network traffic bursts up to 200mbps

[06:09:06]

PMantis:

<drool>

[06:09:22]

PMantis:

Well, we digress... and it's time for bed.

[06:09:36]

PMantis:

Take care. :)

[06:09:40]

wagnerrp:

night

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Lexridge:

cya

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

anyone from the US with a FTA sat system? I am talking about the legal kind

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Dibblah:

mattwj2002: Realistically, there isn't much visible that is FTA from most of the states.

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Dibblah:

As far as I understand, anyway.

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wagnerrp:

last time i looked at he list, there wasnt anything i saw worth the effort

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mattwj2002:

here is the list that I found

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mattwj2002:

http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php . . . age=printfta

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mattwj2002:

for the us

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wagnerrp:

looks about right, international, religious, and repeats of what i already get OTA

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Dibblah:

mattwj2002: Look at lyngsat.

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mattwj2002:

for a few hundred bucks I think it would be fun to try out

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mattwj2002:

what part of lyngsat in particular?

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Dibblah:

For bird lists.

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mattwj2002:

oh yeah I have

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mattwj2002:

it is pretty cool :D

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mattwj2002:

yeah you guys in Europe have really good FTA

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mattwj2002:

is I look at lyngsat

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mattwj2002:

how can I can I tell which ones are ku channels?

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Saviq:

hi guys, I'm having an issue with live playback – video is choppy until I select a video scan (whichever – be it detect, progressive, interlaced or the fourth one), after that all's fine. Recordings play fine, though. Any idea what might be causing that?

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justinh:

mattwj2002: presumably by their frequency. know your bands :)

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mattwj2002:

oh okay

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** justinh is going on a mission to steal ylee's time machine **

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justinh:

before he phases again

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mattwj2002:

o_O

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mattwj2002:

what are you talking about justinh?

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justinh:

he said he was using mythtv in the dark days of 1995

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mattwj2002:

it hasn't been around that long has it?

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justinh:

no :)

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mattwj2002:

I doubt 1995 computers could handle it anyways

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mattwj2002:

:P

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justinh:

maybe he bought a modern VDPAU capable system in the future

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justinh:

remember dollars were worth much more then

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** cesman wonders who ylee is and why justinh would trust his time machine **

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** mattwj2002 charges the flux capacitor **

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justinh:

I should order the parts for that interositer

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sid3windr:

you know apple just SELLS time machines.. no need to steal another man's stuff.. :p

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leop18:

I'm trying to do dvbscan using dvb-utils on dvb-s card I get 2247 fatal failed to open /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0

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leop18:

when I did lsof /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend is showing mythbacke 2168 root CHR 212,3 0t0 4159 /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0

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sid3windr:

...

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sid3windr:

your backend is running

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sid3windr:

so the card is in use..

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leop18:

yeah but I stopped the backend and I still get the same error :(

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sid3windr:

does lsof still show the same thing after you stopped the backend?

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leop18:

yes

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leop18:

and there's no recording

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sid3windr:

check with ps if the backend is still running then

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leop18:

ps showing that it's still running

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leop18:

still the same

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Dibblah:

leop18: Stop it, then.

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leop18:

I did

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Dibblah:

/etc/init.d/mythbackend stop

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Dibblah:

I would guess.

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Dibblah:

Sounds like your distribution is automatically restarting the backend.

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leop18:

the I know the card is working cos I can still watch , but I'm trying to scan another Transponder on different satellite

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leop18:

that error doesn't mean the card is not working

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sid3windr:

no, it means it's in use *sigh*

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justinh:

sid3windr: maybe I don't want a shiny white plastic time machine though :P

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sid3windr:

:D

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justinh:

mythbuntu & its relatives have scripts which replace certain programs & run then separately – kind of a good idea in some ways

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justinh:

mythtv-setup runs a script that stops mythbackend & runs mythtv-setup.real

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justinh:

when mythtv-setup.real ends, it restarts mythbackend

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sulx:

kind of..waste of space ;)

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CoreDump:

!test

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CoreDump:

nm

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justinh:

realised a good reason why z-wave hasn't really arrived in the UK yet. Most of our socket & switch back boxes are metal

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alexmwx:

hi, is there a howto for setting up a wintv-nova s dvb tv card? yes? where can i find it?

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justinh:

on which distro?

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alexmwx:

mythbunutu

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alexmwx:

sry, mythbuntu

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alexmwx:

it already ran with kaffeine

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justinh:

see #mythbuntu :)

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alexmwx:

;)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

[ot] Darn, I missed 1234567890 day...

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JEDIDIAH__:

are there any mockups of what the "0.22" version of mythvideo is going to look like?

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Dibblah:

No.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

JEDIDIAH__: It's entirely up to the themer, but yes, some folks have posted their actual work-in-progress themes. (not simply mockups)... Let me see if I can find you a link to one if he doesn't chime in before I do...

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JEDIDIAH__:

the current version of the list view looks a bit odd.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

JEDIDIAH__: Here's a real snapshot of iamlindoro's theme he's working on: http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/7063231_gGk9H# . . . 6_BmH5a-O-LB

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JEDIDIAH__:

has anyone done one for the list view (rather than the gallery view)?

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GreyFoxx:

With the new mythui stuff the lines between gallery/list and so on get blurry

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GreyFoxx:

because you can mix and match layouts between them

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GreyFoxx:

but I've not seen any shots of anyones new listviews put up anyywhere just the more blingy "gallerys"

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JEDIDIAH__:

That approach doesn't seem to work well for TV series collections.

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JEDIDIAH__:

although something that switches mode based on top level directory could be nice.

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noobthemer:

http://tinyurl.com/cxyqcp

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GreyFoxx:

hah

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GreyFoxx:

nice mockup ;)

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noobthemer:

might have to delete or rename that before google indexes it

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** GreyFoxx creates a new theme called napkindrawing following shortly by "crayon" and the ever populate "chicken scratch" **

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GreyFoxx:

popular

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Dibblah:

How do you theme a noob?

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GreyFoxx:

with tar and feathers

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GreyFoxx:

and a ball gag

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JEDIDIAH__:

you kid but they make "real art" like that.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

noobthemer: Dude, that is SICK! ;-) I'm downloading it now before you delete it!

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noobthemer:

better than leafers-wide eh

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

JEDIDIAH__: here's a pic from his list view screen: http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/7063231_gGk9H# . . . 0_C6oij-L-LB

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: ha! ;-) I didn't knotice the switch the 1st time... ;-)

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justinh:

back on the code wagon tonight :)

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** gbee is in rehab **

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iamlindoro:

justinh said no, no no

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justinh:

no, no, no to more CD ripping

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justinh:

enough for a while :)

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JEDIDIAH__:

What? Is smoke coming out of the DVD Drive?

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justinh:

not at the speed EAC goes, no

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JEDIDIAH__:

where do the new mythvideo themes reside?

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justinh:

all you get is the default ones if you're not using Terra

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gbee:

and even with Terra I've only done the browser and manager

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justinh:

nobody's made anything else available yet

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justinh:

you want new themes? get to it

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/terra_vidbrowse.png http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/terra_videomanager.png

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justinh:

ho ho ho . I have on my desk a CCTV DVR from a Virgin Media facility

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gbee:

eh

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justinh:

they use our kit apparently

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justinh:

there's nowt recorded on it though, it didn't work long enough for that to happen

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gbee:

heh, so they used to use your kit, they are now customers of your competitors ;)

[15:20:31]

justinh:

nah they have another 89 of these 16-way recorders

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Dibblah:

Heh. Let's just hope they're all on UPSes ;)

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justinh:

I hope they're all in managed conditions

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justinh:

btw never let it be said that mythmusic is slow to import files

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justinh:

I tried out that Banshee this morning. took _ages_ to import tracks

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gbee:

it ain't, I worked hard on making sure of that

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justinh:

mythmusic.. under 2 mins

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justinh:

and by 'ages' I mean I left it for at least an hour

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rcsd_sysop:

hello all

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gbee:

for 4500 files, extracting metadata from every file

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rcsd_sysop:

I've been using myth for a few years now, and now i'm trying the age old "transcode" of video's to a smaller format, there is a wealth of information about on the net, using it i've gotten nuvexport to work using --transcode, but not using --ffmpeg, i found a forum posting suggesting the svn version of ffmpeg doesnt work w/ nuvexport anyloger, i find this hard to believe, much of what i'm reading seems to be getting old, can any one point me to

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rcsd_sysop:

"smaller format" meaning i'm trying to get them to avi

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justinh:

"inferior container" more like :)

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justinh:

avi is not a format

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rcsd_sysop:

correct

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rcsd_sysop:

container ... i stand corrected

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justinh:

anyway, that newer versions of ffmpeg aren't compatible with programs designed around older versions is no surprise here

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justinh:

they change arguments more often than their socks

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rcsd_sysop:

this is true, my issue doesnt seem to be coming from ffmpeg, i'll return in a few minutes w/ the error, i probably should have had it on hand

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justinh:

the reason why you maybe haven't got ffmpeg to work with nuvexport probably has more to do with the versions shipped with distros these days

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justinh:

and the formats they support. or rather do not support

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rcsd_sysop:

ok ...

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justinh:

e.g. the stock ffmpeg shipped with *buntu... no mp3 export, no divx, no xvid...

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justinh:

well, maybe I'm wrong on some of those but you get the picture

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justinh:

typical avi files contain xvid video with mp3 audio... and you ain't gonna get mp3 audio output stock ffmpeg on some distros

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rcsd_sysop:

right right, i've compiled ffmpeg from svn, adding the support i need

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rcsd_sysop:

alright, now i cant get it to spit out the error message ... still failing .. hmmm .. thank you for you're help though! i'll check to make sure i've got the support in there and be back later when i can get a solid error message

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justinh:

oops. Sky to replace 90,000 HD PVRs

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wagnerrp:

justinh: what for?

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justinh:

some kind of internal cabling fault

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justinh:

allegedly

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justinh:

doesn't affect reliability or safety... yeah whatever

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wagnerrp:

well if it doesnt affect it, why replace it?

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justinh:

exactly

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justinh:

they're crediting everybody whose box they have to replace too..

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wagnerrp:

i bet i know what the problem is, on the current boxes, the component outputs are actually connected

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sid3windr:

=)

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justinh:

wouldn't be surprised

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justinh:

and to their horror, discovered they couldn't be disabled in software.. place bets now!

[16:06:59]

wagnerrp:

hah, some 17yr old was sentenced to 3 months in a commercial juvenile corrections facility for making some myspace parody of her principal

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gbee:

wtf?

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wagnerrp:

when all is said and done, the judge on the case was sentenced to 87 months in federal PMITA prison for accepting kickbacks from said commercial facility for providing 'clients'

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wagnerrp:

something is wrong when running a prison becomes a profitable affair

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justinh:

oh gawd. guy at work is starting to play with hacking the Cisco IP phones

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gbee:

something is wrong when a kid appears in front of a Judge for mocking a teacher

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natanoj:

hi, having some trouble with mythtv and external tuning command (i have my own shell script pointed to in mythtv-setup, the script gets called but without any arguments)

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natanoj:

have i missed something here?

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natanoj:

i'm running this on a gentoo box with mythtv 0.21_p18314-r1

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justinh:

blank channums ?

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justinh:

it only gets passed the freqid, not the channum. oops

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rcsd_sysop:

justinh: hacking cisco ip phones? as in adding sip? new firmwares? sounds fun

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justinh:

how are you looking for the argument?

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justinh:

rcsd_sysop: nothing like that, though unlocking features, adding custom ringtones etc

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rcsd_sysop:

justinh: ahh all good fun

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natanoj:

justinh: in the db the channums looks right

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natanoj:

justinh: i check the arguments with logger

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justinh:

natanoj: the arg mythbackend will pass the script is freqid

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natanoj:

justinh: alright, i'll check that

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justinh:

so if your channels freqid is empty..

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justinh:

it won't work with digital sources either AFAIK

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natanoj:

you're right, i don't have any freqid

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natanoj:

it should work just entering the numbers i want in the db right?

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justinh:

use mythweb to enter them

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natanoj:

so now i have the right values in the channum column, i should only need to copy it to the freqid right?

[16:24:13]

justinh:

or if you feel confident enough, use mysql

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natanoj:

easier with one sql command...

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justinh:

but nobody here would advocate manually using mysql

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justinh:

use at your own risk :P

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natanoj:

ok, well, sql is no problem for me

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natanoj:

:)

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natanoj:

since this is all i need to enter: update channel set freqid=channum;

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natanoj:

thanks anyway

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natanoj:

and it seems to work now :)

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justinh:

cool :)

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** justinh is sometimes useful **

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justinh:

oof.this sky thing sound scammy. brand new Pace boxes get recalled, and sky are only saying folks can have whatever the engineer has available, so they might get an inferior, refurbed box

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justinh:

*sounds

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gbee:

http://mythtvnews.com/2008/12/02/preview-of-m . . . comment-3371

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justinh:

depressing comments all over the place these days, no longer the preserve of the mailing lists

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justinh:

it's that 'THEY' again :-\

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justinh:

THEY refuse to admit it. THEY refuse to fix it. THEY should do this, THEY should do that...

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gbee:

who is this 'THEY'

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justinh:

I think those folks mean the developers

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justinh:

whoever they are.. but they're also talking about the community of contributors as a whole when they take snipes like that

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gbee:

mythtv is open source, if no-one has improved channel change times then it's EVERYONES fault, since everyone is in a position to do it

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justinh:

but muhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I can't code/I don't have time

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justinh:

muhhhhhhh

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GreyFoxx:

The consortium of evil devs who spend all their spend time zpecifically to fuck over random users

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GreyFoxx:

THEY

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justinh:

anyway. happy thoughts. soon be home, laptop on lap, fiddling with .cpp files

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justinh:

I want to see the likes of the Jono Bacons of this world start to address this entitlement culture bollocks

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laga:

justinh: talk to him then .)

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justinh:

they all go on about trying to be friendly & remaining positive but people only have a fuse SO long

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gbee:

it's not as though I've ever seen them make the effort to locate the slow bits, that doesn't take programming experience, it barely takes two brain cells

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gbee:

how many times have people been told to throw a lot of verbose statements in and how many of those guys came back with any results?

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justinh:

oh come on gbee, that'd take .. ooo.. I dunno.. maybe an hour or two out of their life. they don't have time!

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justinh:

ahem.

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justinh:

but funnily enough they all find the time to get online & post about their grievance

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: Exactly

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GreyFoxx:

NEVER EVER

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GreyFoxx:

I've told DOZENS of users here and on the lists

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GreyFoxx:

not one has ever come back with even the logs of their attempt

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GreyFoxx:

they just go silent for months

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justinh:

I was surprised the other night when I found out precisely how long my frontend is taking to start playing a recording. it feels like 10 secs but is actually two

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GreyFoxx:

and them come back bitching about the devs not fixing it

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: yeah that's a big problem too. perception

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justinh:

I was left thinking "huh.. 2 secs... not so bad"... and now.. it doesn't even feel like 10 anymore :)

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GreyFoxx:

hah

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justinh:

I meant to turn off verbose logging & see if it speeds up any

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GreyFoxx:

I timed mine, 1 second on my PVR cards and dvb/qam. 2 seconds on the firewire which is almost all the time to send the channel change command to the STB

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justinh:

there might be a way I can optimise mysql to help with the 1 secs worth of queries too

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justinh:

maybe I need more ram in the backend...

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gnome42:

heh, the patch on #6098 improves channel change time.

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gbee:

no-one has ever said that improvements can't be made, this bullsh*t about "won't admit there is a problem" ... well it's true we don't consider a problem but that doesn't mean we won't commit patches to improve it

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GreyFoxx:

and noone has said that people don't have a problem... but if I can't see it, and you can't tell me how to reproduce it....then wtf do you expect ? :)

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gbee:

someone give gnome commit access already

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** GreyFoxx looks up 6098 **

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** clever has a look at said patch **

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justinh:

wha?

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justinh:

two lines?!

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GreyFoxx:

gnome42: Seeing a big difference with those removed ?:)

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gnome42:

delete two lines, my fav patches :)

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GreyFoxx:

what sorta before/after time ?

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gnome42:

not huge difference no, just brings it back to -fixes levels

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** justinh deletes 2000 lines & expects to see a thousand fold improvement **

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GreyFoxx:

gnome42: Ahhh ok I get it now

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justinh:

udo strikes again

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dougl:

does anyone have any advice on setting up vonage with mythtv... I googled vonage and mythtv and found a script for caller id but cannot get that to work either?

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GreyFoxx:

dougl: Does the script send mythtvosd events ?

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gnome42:

But, Daniel got another ~200ms back in other places so trunk is a bit faster I think.

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GreyFoxx:

dougl: If it does just make sure that the FE is listening for and accepting those because by default I don't think it does

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** GreyFoxx goes to lunch **

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justinh:

pretty sure it does

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justinh:

can't remember ever changing anything on my FE

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justinh:

dougl: another thing to consider is that those events only show over video played back by the internal player

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dougl:

GreyFoxx, thanks = looking at script...

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justinh:

they don't show on the menus or over an external player

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dougl:

justinh, so only when watching tv or recordings?

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justinh:

yup

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gbee:

but they will display in other screens or the menus, in 0.22, (but likely never with external video players etc)

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dougl:

cool – thanks

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dougl:

gbee, good to know, thanks

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justinh:

aye hence folks in the know leaving at least one line of spare room on screens ;)

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JEDIDIAH__:

...on the "tree" widget (mythvideo) is there any way to make the columns different widths?

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gbee:

justinh: for those that don't, it can just overlay part of the screen instead, much like the music miniplayer does in most themes, but it is definately nicer if it doesn't obscure things

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justinh:

JEDIDIAH__: errrrrrrrrrnope. not the way it stands right now AFAIK

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justinh:

very rusty on mythui already

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JEDIDIAH__:

my top level dirs don't need nearly as much space as my actual media files.

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gbee:

JEDIDIAH__: different widths with respect to each other? No ... didn't make much sense to me to allow that, if you need more room in one then it just means text being cut-off as you descend down the tree

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JEDIDIAH__:

It depends on the tree.

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gbee:

JEDIDIAH__: yeah, but it's a tree, you decend a couple of levels and your media files are suddenly in that narrow first list

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justinh:

depends on the filename

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justinh:

24.s07.e09.foobar.leet-tv.x264.720p.mkv might not fit, e.g. :P

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JEDIDIAH__:

it doesn't work out that way on my setup (media files in the first column)

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justinh:

you don't have to have 3 bins IIRC

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gbee:

can be any number of bins that you want

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JEDIDIAH__:

...I take that back... it does have a sort of "classic behavior" where the last column can go away.

[17:12:26]

gbee:

but that's why the tree view isn't always appropriate, it's designed for file/tree browsing and not much more

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** JEDIDIAH__ already figured out the part about the number of bins. **

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gbee:

I would have happily added a 'Watch Recordings' style two list layout, where the first list contains groups and the second the files in that group, but no-one asked for it :)

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JEDIDIAH__:

a lot of times, the ancient file mangler idea is quite adequate.

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justinh:

with trunk having video streaming now.. the line between recordings & vids is getting ever the more blurry :)

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gbee:

and I'm not revisiting mythvideo at this point, maybe Anduin would be interested in doing it

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gbee:

justinh: that's where I see it heading, long term I'd merge the recording/video stuff entirely

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JEDIDIAH__:

structure in the files will pretty much yield a "watch recordings" view all by itself.

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gbee:

JEDIDIAH__: yeah, just without the flexibility in the actual UI layout that having two distinct lists would allow

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JEDIDIAH__:

is there any way to make the tree look more like windows vs. a collection of buttons?

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rcsd_sysop:

ok few hours later, i'm back around, running nuvexport --ffmpeg --debug, then running the supplied commands, it seems to do all the processing of the video, and finishes alright, but there is no file output to where i told it to put it. and it complains a bit http://pastebin.com/m337e7e51, any one know if this is "normal" or any thoughts would be great!

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gbee:

can look pretty much any way you want it to, only restriction is that the 'bins' have to sit side by side

[17:19:17]

gbee:

again at some point I'd like to permit additional data to be displayed for each item in the tree, instead of just the name, but it's a low priority for a widget that is used in just one screen

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justinh:

rcsd_sysop: it doesn't like those options

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justinh:

+mv4+trell+loop

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justinh:

that much is pretty clear :)

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clever:

2009-02–17 13:20:08.314 MSqlQuery::exec() "UPDATE jobqueue SET status = '4', comment = '98% Completed @ 107.539 fps, 13.5858 seconds remaining' WHERE id = '13059';"

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justinh:

rcsd_sysop: or you're just missing a parameter

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clever:

my patch to mythtranscode and mythcommflag seems to be doing its job:)

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rcsd_sysop:

hmmm oh yeah i see the spot [too many terminals open]

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justinh:

rcsd_sysop: heh http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/358100

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rcsd_sysop:

justinh: thank's for the link

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rcsd_sysop:

ok, this may sound dumb, how does one apply a patch, w/o manually editing the lines?

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clever:

with the 'patch' program

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rcsd_sysop:

man patch it is

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gbee:

at the most basic, "patch < somepatch.diff"

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gbee:

-p1 would ignore the first directory in the patch path

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justinh:

and that's the number one, not the letter 'l'

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justinh:

I made that mistake on my 1st day

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clever:

ive also seen -N alot

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justinh:

spent all day wondering what "l is not a number" meant

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justinh:

I kid you not

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gbee:

so assuming the patch was created in some/directory/or/path/ then -p1 would use directory/or/path/

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rcsd_sysop:

what would that gain you? is that assuming you're working in directory "some"

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justinh:

like "uhhh YEAH I KNOW L is not a number. Pfft. Must think I'm thick or something... "

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gbee:

the patch paths are relative to the current working directory

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rcsd_sysop:

gbee: gotcha

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gbee:

rcsd_sysop: lots of patches are created in trunk/ whereas most users just checkout mythtv/ , so their working copy is one directory out of sync with the patches

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gbee:

which is where -p{n} comes in

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rcsd_sysop:

gbee: ok that makes sence, is it "bad" to work from /, to avoid the -pN stuff for now?

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gbee:

nope, do whatever works for you

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rcsd_sysop:

gbee: thanks! gunna give it a shot

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clever:

some people have 2 whole source tree's like 'original' and 'patched'

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gbee:

devs will tend to checkout the entire repo, or at least trunk since they need to work with every, users don't and will frequently just checkout the directory they need

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clever:

but i find that 'svn diff' works good

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gbee:

I have two source trees, one for 'work in progress' and the other for building from

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gbee:

that way I don't have to complete a patch, or remove unfinished code in order to build/test another change

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clever:

i tried adding the thread id to VERBOSE to get a better overall view of what tasks are threaded out

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clever:

but now it wont compile because gettid() isnt found

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justinh:

hometime :)

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clever:

i think the problem is that the c lib doesnt have a wrapper for gettid() and i have to use the syscall directly

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clever:

which isnt very portable, so id break the windows build

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CCFL_Man2:

my local abc affiliate shut off analog 6 minutes ago

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clever:

CCFL_Man2: fun fun!

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CCFL_Man2:

wasn't a gradule power decrease, just shut off

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rcsd_sysop:

CCFL_Man2: i thought they were extending analog broadcasts until june? did some one not get the memo?

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iamlindoro_:

It's not required to wait until June

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iamlindoro_:

300 or so stations sought and got approval to switch over in before

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CCFL_Man2:

all my stations in my market will shut off today

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Dibblah:

Woo hoo! Full Powa To The Digits!!!!

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mishehu:

pyur powa

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: and here they say it's because americans are not ready, what a lie

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CCFL_Man2:

broadcasters are not ready

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Dibblah:

I wouldn't like to be on the switchover helpline today :)

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CCFL_Man2:

they hate to cut power and cut the receiving area of their market

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CCFL_Man2:

Dibblah: people should have been ready

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CCFL_Man2:

super easy for customers to get ready

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GlemSom:

Can I check what kind of deinterlacers my nvidia card can do? For some reason I cannot get MythTV to use OpenGL deinterlacing... -> http://pastebin.com/m75f6b7d6

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iamlindoro_:

That's not deinterlacing...

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iamlindoro_:

"VideoOutputXv: Desired video renderer 'opengl' not available."

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iamlindoro_:

If you don't have the gl renderer, using its deint is going to be.. hmm.. difficult.

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JEDIDIAH__:

where's the xml for your themes ial?

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iamlindoro_:

on my hard drive

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JEDIDIAH__:

my local OTA channels are all dragging their feet.

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JEDIDIAH__:

those that aren't ready today probably won't be in June either.

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gbee:

they are broadcasting digital alongside the analogue? They won't like that much, keeping that old kit running will be costing them

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: For those OK'ed to switch before June, the FCC has assigned them shutoff dates that are staggered between now and then

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: And yeah, keeping both sets running is apparently quite expensive

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JEDIDIAH__:

who can fathom the corporate mind...

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JEDIDIAH__:

...so when are your themes going to see the light of day? (ial)

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iamlindoro_:

When .22 is out

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gbee:

looking for another screen for Mimic, any suggestions, screenshot preferably

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iamlindoro_:

If I show you a screenshot with fading/masked text, does that mean you have to implement it? ;)

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gbee:

you're an evil, evil man

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.teamrazorfish.co.uk/mediastream/090_home.png http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/4/xbmc/tvshows.jpg

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iamlindoro_:

Not to mention the randomized images from directory that I haven't bugged you about in weeks ;)

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gbee:

yeah, yeah

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iamlindoro_:

We I *haven't* :)

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iamlindoro_:

er Well I

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Those are kinda neat

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JEDIDIAH__:

keep on being evil...

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Yeah, I like some of the stuff they do

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gbee:

just want a break from the code atm, drawing/theming is fun atm (won't last)

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JEDIDIAH__:

if you could replicate those evil screenshots then you would have a lot of happy campers.

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gbee:

menu is easy, the video one is interesting because we don't currently support metadata for folders, so the genre/rating stuff isn't posibble

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iamlindoro_:

Now if only someone would write fanart/banner/screenshot support for MythOHYEAHITSSITTINGINTRAC

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: It would be a nice addition though

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gbee:

but broadly those screenshots are reproducible

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iamlindoro_:

Had planned on working on that in the nearish future

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: aye

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iamlindoro_:

but I'm on strike

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Why ?:)

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GreyFoxx:

udo wear you out ?

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Because I have enough stuff waiting to get committed to mythvideo that I can barely work out which hunks are part of which patch any more

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gbee:

even the fading text in those screenshots is possible – not sure how the original does it, but a gradient image over the top of the list would produce the same result

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: HAhah yeah

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iamlindoro_:

It doesn't help that it all builds on the other stuff

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iamlindoro_:

ie the fanart/coverart/etc. support for the PBB requires that the MV part get committed, and the MBB->MV export stuff requires it too

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** gbee opens up the Mimic SVG and gets to work **

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iamlindoro_:

And my theme requires one or two of those too

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iamlindoro_:

so it's less a strike and more a I can't start anything else or my brain will melt trying to keep it straight

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gbee:

for the record, what's the name of that theme?

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iamlindoro_:

Which, the XBMC one? Mediastream

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GreyFoxx:

Think he means your one :)

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iamlindoro_:

Graphite

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gbee:

when I post the xml on the wiki I want to put the name of the theme it mimics and platform etc

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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gbee:

guessing the figures to the right mean total episodes and ones that are actually in the folder

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gbee:

again we don't keep series info

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jarle:

The "begin early" setting for recordings, does it support values other than minutes? Is it possible to have a recording start 10 seconds early for example?

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wagnerrp:

nope, granularity is minutes

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RyeBrye:

I thought it took decimal values

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wagnerrp:

maybe it does in mythweb, but you cant type into the frontend

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** jarle will give it a try in mythweb then... **

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RichiH:

any suggestion on a cheap, reliable GFX card which will play 1080p and has HDMI?

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RichiH:

also, which cards are good for capturing DVB-T?

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RichiH:

s/capturing/receiving/

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jarle:

wagnerrp: nah, seems like mythweb doesn't accept decimal numbers..

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Gumby:

if I am using trunk and the screen appearance wizard and/or manual setup of screen size and position isnt working. The screen size seems to be able to be changed, by the x/y position is not affected what should I look at to fix this?

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gbee:

programs/mythappearance.cpp

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** Gumby will have a look. thx gbee **

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Gumby:

meh, I cant do much with that. I'm no coder

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Led-Hed:

is it possible to share a DVD-ROM on a backend with a frontend (FE doesnt have its own DVD Drive)

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wagnerrp:

Led-Hed: you can use ATAOE, or similar techs to do so

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wagnerrp:

you can mount the disk over NFS

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wagnerrp:

you can rip the disk, and share the file system

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Led-Hed:

Would the FE be able to automount it?

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wagnerrp:

no, but the OS may if you set it up properly

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Led-Hed:

I was thinkng more of a Remote DVD player as apposed to riping.

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Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, thanks, I'll check into ATAOE

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wagnerrp:

recently there was also some work done to add storage groups to mythvideo

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Led-Hed:

how does that work?

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wagnerrp:

along with that was some code to share isos across the network, and automagically access

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GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: Currently remote DVDROM/ISO support isn't working with the video streaming. But I have some stuff in the mix which should solve that

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wagnerrp:

which may be adaptable for full drive sharing

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GreyFoxx:

remote srteaming of other files is fine however

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GreyFoxx:

I just need a concentrated hour or so to sit down and finish it

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Led-Hed:

My reason for wanting a Remote DVD was the nVidia ION reference. Its super small and I could net boot it and hide it behind my TV's, only drawback to the ION is the lack of DVD/DB drive

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Led-Hed:

DVD/BD

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GreyFoxx:

usb

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GreyFoxx:

Or the remote streaming once it's ready

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Led-Hed:

thats an option I suppose

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Led-Hed:

that would be Ideal

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Led-Hed:

when I want to watch a movie, I just pop it into the backend. Then play it from any of my frontends

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GreyFoxx:

main reason I want that to work is to use it with a 200disk changer I have connected to my backend

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AndyCap:

Heh, I see one potential fail. linux switching to libata and scsi semantics for the dvd.

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Led-Hed:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/sff_ion.html

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Led-Hed:

ION Platform ^

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AndyCap:

someone talked about using nbd earlier. here.

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GreyFoxx:

AndyCap: Wonder make a difference with what I'm doing. AS long as the backend can read it it will work

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Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx, 200 disk DVD that connects to a computer?

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Led-Hed:

or regular set-top?

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GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: Yeah via firewire

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Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx, you have a link?

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Led-Hed:

or Brand/Model

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AndyCap:

GreyFoxx: what are you doing?

[20:01:44]

GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: Google for Sony VGP-XL1B

[20:01:55]

GreyFoxx:

Apparently there is a 400 disc model now

[20:03:01]

GreyFoxx:

Andy: I have a couple different methods , looked at nbd but felt it was too much for the user, now using a virtual FUSE system where I am handling the fileaccess/remote data grabs

[20:03:18]

GreyFoxx:

It works fairly well

[20:03:46]

GreyFoxx:

and if I so choose it would allow me to let external players use the remote video streaming as well

[20:03:49]

Led-Hed:

thanks

[20:04:45]

AndyCap:

GreyFoxx: ok.

[20:04:51]

Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx, so will the DVD catalog be available in MythVideo?

[20:04:59]

GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: Yes

[20:05:04]

Led-Hed:

Sweet

[20:05:35]

GreyFoxx:

and it will send changer change requests and so on before actually starting playback

[20:06:51]

Led-Hed:

found it for $91. WOW

[20:09:45]

JEDIDIAH__:

isn't it discontinued? I expect that helps.

[20:10:03]

GreyFoxx:

that one probably is. I think they have a newer 400 disc model out

[20:10:06]

JEDIDIAH__:

I remember when these were sold bundled with overpriced MCE systems in microcenter.

[20:11:54]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: You'd be extra beloved it you worked it in to MythDVD's ripping functionality :)

[20:12:11]

GreyFoxx:

haha no idea if the drive in it is a burner too

[20:12:27]

JEDIDIAH__:

probably not (a burner(

[20:12:29]

GreyFoxx:

sorry I was thinking mytharchive, myth mythdvd ripping

[20:13:30]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Apparently the XL1B3 is a burner

[20:14:41]

GreyFoxx:

csi 8:0:1:0: CD-ROM MATSHITA DVD-RAM SW-9584 B100 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0

[20:14:42]

GreyFoxx:

sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 40x/40x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray

[20:14:45]

GreyFoxx:

That's from mine

[20:14:50]

GreyFoxx:

So it is a burner

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[20:21:24]

Dagmar:

ONOES TV IS GOIN AWAYS

[20:21:39]

gbee:

well all the imagery is done now – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mimic_mediastream.png

[20:22:02]

Dagmar:

I think you can get more cleavage in the screenshot

[20:22:24]

gbee:

heh

[20:22:38]

gbee:

heh, well I'm mirroring the original, otherwise I'd agree ;)

[20:23:33]

iamlindoro_:

I will point and call you a cheater unless you can mask text. ;)

[20:23:56]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[20:24:03]

GreyFoxx:

still looks nice though :)

[20:24:04]

Dagmar:

I'm sure if you poke around in Gimp you can find an airbrush tool that can just add more cleavage

[20:25:03]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: look again, if the text were there it would fade away

[20:26:47]

gbee:

err, I screwed up that bit actually, the overly was mistakenly converted to a flat alpha instead of the gradient it was supposed to be

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm American idol is down to the performances....*removes recording rule*

[20:29:00]

gbee:

actually, suppose I am cheating if you can prove that the text in the original does fade, rather than having an overlay

[20:30:23]

iamlindoro_:

gbee: But isn't that an overlay, rather than a mask

[20:30:24]

iamlindoro_:

?

[20:30:35]

iamlindoro_:

ie I thought it was still impossible to mask text areas

[20:30:48]

iamlindoro_:

doh

[20:31:01]

iamlindoro_:

teach me not to read the full (five line) scrollback

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RyeBrye:

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/7063231_gGk9H# . . . 2_Ap67E-L-LB <-- I really like the fanart bit on Watch Recordings

[20:38:56]

RyeBrye:

I wonder if there is fan art for "Thomas & Friends" – my son would go nuts! ;)

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gbee:

RyeBrye: http://thetvdb.com/?tab=series&id=78949&lid=7

[20:39:54]

RyeBrye:

Sweet! :)

[20:40:39]

iamlindoro_:

Yeah, My watch recordings screen doesn't look *quite* like that any more, though still incorporates all that

[20:40:41]

RyeBrye:

I need to adjust my screenshot timing... every episode of Thomas is identical for the first few minutes – so on my "Watch Recoridings" the thumbnails are all just pictures of some island with clouds over it – basically the exact same frame too

[20:40:48]

unimagnitive:

I'm considering adding another capture card to my backend, and since I've already got 1x analog and 2x ATSC digital, I was thinking of a hybrid card. It seems the hauppauge HVR-1600 is the only [hauppauge] card I've found where both analog and digital are supported. Is that true?

[20:40:48]

iamlindoro_:

Last photo in the album is what it looks like now

[20:41:03]

iamlindoro_:

yes, that's true

[20:41:17]

RyeBrye:

It's funny though – because he will still say 'That one" and point to one – even though he can't read and obviously he can't make any rational comparison based on the thumbnail alone (he's 2)

[20:41:19]

wagnerrp:

however the 1600 is not a hybrid card

[20:41:25]

iamlindoro_:

well, assuming you want a hardware encoder

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unimagnitive:

iamlindoro_: I would like a hardware encoder for the analog part, and the 1600 isn't a hybrid?

[20:42:05]

iamlindoro_:

gbee: So what's your thought on including my current, imperfect coverart/fanart/screenshot in PBB implementation?

[20:42:09]

wagnerrp:

its a dual tuner

[20:42:11]

** RyeBrye waits for the day when watch recordings plays live previews of all the shows simultaneously ;) **

[20:42:11]

unimagnitive:

wagnerrp: it seems you are correct I guess I overlooked that.

[20:42:14]

iamlindoro_:

unimagnitive: wagnerrp is right, it's dual tuner, not hybrid

[20:42:15]

wagnerrp:

you can use both sides at the same time

[20:42:23]

wagnerrp:

hybrids can only use one or the other

[20:42:43]

unimagnitive:

wagnerrp: I was wondering why it said that both analog and digital capture have been confirmed to work concurrently :)

[20:43:44]

unimagnitive:

in my situation, hybrid would have been fine, but I guess I lucked out on this one :)

[20:43:59]

unimagnitive:

I might use it for a -trunk sandbox

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: aside from wanting the feature, I haven't given it any thought, if you are saying that you don't think you'll have a more perfect solution in the near future then sure, we'll include it as it is now

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[20:48:50]

** RyeBrye votes for now. (even though he doesn't really have a vote) ;) **

[20:49:04]

iamlindoro_:

gbee: My more perfect solution is to see the image download stuff moved into the libs, then hooked into the scheduler and have all the metadata downloaded at the time a recording is scheduled, and assigned to it in the DB. But since that probably won't happen short term, my current way works nicely with a teensy bit of work on the user's part

[20:49:34]

gbee:

I don't think any of this stuff is going to be as polished as I might have liked because we just don't have the time now, but I'd rather give people a hint what might be coming in the future than simply push all that stuff back to 0.23

[20:50:47]

iamlindoro_:

gbee: ie the images just need to be named something *remotely* like the show, so all of the following will work, "Lost.png," "LOST.png," "Lost Season 5.png", "Lost Season 5 Episode 5.png", "LoSt SEAson 5.png," "Lost 5x02.png," "Lost s05e02.png" etc. etc. etc.

[20:51:19]

iamlindoro_:

and it prefers the highest number so it will key into the highest season + episode if they're named that way (or lost5.png if named that way)

[20:51:32]

gbee:

we've still got to allow for non-internet connected frontends, which is why I'm not even trying to find the space to accomodate fan art etc into that theme idea I was playing with earlier

[20:52:08]

iamlindoro_:

Sure-- but writing a theme that is not official has the advantage of my getting not to care :)

[20:52:33]

gbee:

aye

[20:52:41]

iamlindoro_:

That's the other reason I would like the images-from-directory-name as I'll be putting a dir for each plugin in the theme

[20:52:51]

iamlindoro_:

and under the fanart image will be an image from dir that the user can fill

[20:53:03]

iamlindoro_:

so even if fanart/etc. is not available it can choose from a user-supplied set of possibilities

[20:53:16]

iamlindoro_:

ie their kids, half naked chicks, etc.

[20:53:27]

gbee:

I'm making some room for this stuff in Terra, but I'd already got most of it down before the possibility of banners was even talked about

[20:54:02]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: worried for a moment there, because I read that as 'half naked kids'

[20:54:12]

iamlindoro_:

:(

[20:54:18]

iamlindoro_:

wrong guy for that nonsense

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gbee:

anyway, I'll get this second mimic screen xml done then put it in the wiki along with the Aeon one

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: I'm starting to feel like a jerk, but... did you happen to get to anything myth related this weekend?

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iamlindoro_:

I am kinda lusting after these little Tegra MIDs

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kormoc:

I need a new job...

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karl_:

hi all, i have a mythtranscode problem, i have pasted the output in http://pastebin.com/d19c68045

[21:25:13]

karl_:

mythtranscode seems to segfault, i dont understand why

[21:25:41]

karl_:

this is transcoding a dvb-t recording to mpeg4, same transcoding profile works for recordings from a different channel

[21:28:00]

njbair:

does XvMC work in .21?

[21:28:11]

Dagmar:

Yes.

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wagnerrp:

as well as it worked previously anyway

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Dagmar:

karl_: Whose binaries are you using

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karl_:

hmm, mythbuntu

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justinh:

karl_: thing is, sometimes DVB streams have nasties that transcode doesn't like

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njbair:

Hmm. In archlinux I get an error "Could not find decoder for codec MPEG2VIDEO_XVMC_VLD" but I think I have all the relevant modules loaded in X

[21:31:04]

justinh:

via. just _knew_ it'd be via

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justinh:

njbair: sure you're using the openchrome driver?

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njbair:

I'm calling it in xorg but I don't know how to verify that

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justinh:

if not make sure you are

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justinh:

see if xine will play an mpeg2 file with the via xvmc option

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karl_:

justinh: any possibility to find out what transcode does not like ?

[21:32:12]

justinh:

best way to confirm either way ;)

[21:32:21]

justinh:

karl_: just the whole stream probably

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justinh:

karl_: I've had limited success running recordings through ffmpeg to strip unwanted streams first

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justinh:

ffmpeg -i $file -acodec copy -vcodec copy $newfile

[21:33:13]

karl_:

hmm, well, if it segfaults it at least leaves the original there, sometimes though it actually transcodes the movie but loses the audio

[21:33:41]

karl_:

this leaves my girlfriend with a scrubs episode without sound ! thats not good for me....

[21:33:50]

justinh:

so get a bigger HDD :)

[21:34:18]

justinh:

the transcoder will always pick the audio track labelled as the primary.. if that happens to be the wrong one.. oops

[21:34:35]

justinh:

the IDs can get mixed up.. and they do sometimes

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karl_:

well, its not that simple, it seems to remove all audio streams

[21:34:57]

justinh:

or because the broadcaster is doing something funky that doesn't affect STBs

[21:35:00]

karl_:

i'll try to find a example

[21:35:08]

justinh:

it shouldn't do that

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karl_:

might lose my connection, stand by

[21:35:19]

justinh:

what are you transcoding to?

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karl_:

mpeg4/mp3

[21:36:02]

justinh:

and er.. is there ever any ac3 audio in your broadcasts? that could have a bearing on it too. I dunno if ac3 transcoding even works – never seen any mention of it

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njbair:

justinh: xine won't play using -V xvmc

[21:36:36]

justinh:

njbair: then your drivers aren't working then. solve that puzzle

[21:37:01]

justinh:

you can't make mythtv use xvmc if xvmc isn't working :)

[21:37:03]

njbair:

well at least i know which puzzle to solve. it's a start

[21:37:25]

justinh:

does your epia board even have supported hardware?

[21:37:35]

karl_:

can i find some stream-info from my file somehow ?

[21:37:38]

njbair:

yes, mythbuntu ran it like a charm.

[21:37:43]

justinh:

karl_: ffmpeg -i $file

[21:37:44]

Dagmar:

Of course it doesn't.

[21:38:03]

justinh:

njbair: so why arghhhhlinux if mythbongo works?

[21:38:08]

Dagmar:

Remember, it's got the cool S3 video in it, for which there are no drivers.

[21:38:22]

XLV:

coreavc produced a core codec that uses cuda to accelerate h264 using nvidia gpus.. works on all content, none of the dxva limitations

[21:38:41]

justinh:

Dagmar: nah my m10k whizzed through mpeg2 files just fine. most of the time. apart from on MY shows

[21:39:05]

njbair:

justinh: umm... to try out arch?

[21:39:16]

justinh:

njbair: but mythbuntu worked :)

[21:39:23]

justinh:

distro-hopping is for the uncool

[21:39:32]

njbair:

yeah but when linux just works it's no fun anymore

[21:39:58]

njbair:

i probably shouldn't mention that i don't even like watching tv

[21:39:59]

iamlindoro_:

There's a special hell for people like that

[21:40:02]

justinh:

rod for your making back own...

[21:40:05]

iamlindoro_:

where Clever is king

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wagnerrp:

XLV: when did they release that?

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justinh:

/join #distro-du-jour

[21:40:39]

iamlindoro_:

XLV: It's still "coming soon"

[21:40:47]

iamlindoro_:

"CoreAVC™ Enterprise Edition* COMING SOON!"

[21:41:02]

iamlindoro_:

"- GPU support (to be added**) "

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karl_:

justinh: this is the info for the file where mythtranscode segfaults: http://pastebin.com/db070393

[21:41:29]

justinh:

enterprise edition? sounds pricy

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: could you stick the kettle on and make us a brew :D

[21:41:49]

justinh:

karl_: it's not necessarily anything at the start of the file

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njbair:

justinh: actually i'm a gentoo guy but the idea of compiling everything for mythtv on a via was not fun-sounding. mythbuntu was more just to make sure it worked before jumping in with a slimmer distro

[21:42:01]

justinh:

karl_: more than likely something part way through it

[21:42:04]

justinh:

njbair: roflmao

[21:42:07]

iamlindoro_:

dustybin: Why antagonize me? You must *like* being abused. Is that it? Help me help you.

[21:42:34]

dustybin:

LOL

[21:42:38]

justinh:

njbair: hence why I ran minimyth on my frontend for ages. as for it 'just working'.... meh

[21:42:39]

XLV:

iamlindoro, its out... i havent bothered yet, but others in a forum i am participating ( a local greek av related forum ) use it and it works

[21:42:53]

iamlindoro_:

XLV: Does the GPU accel work in *linux*?

[21:43:05]

wagnerrp:

i just dont think i could bring myself to paying that kind of money for a video codec

[21:43:15]

justinh:

what kind of money?

[21:43:19]

XLV:

iamlindoro, havent seen any info on that, but i doubt it

[21:43:22]

wagnerrp:

i think its $30

[21:43:29]

justinh:

pfft. small beans

[21:43:32]

iamlindoro_:

Without Linux support, what good is it?

[21:43:43]

justinh:

people pay more than that to play DVDs on windows

[21:43:55]

justinh:

non-VLC believers :P

[21:44:11]

wagnerrp:

ive never paid anything to play dvds on windows

[21:44:12]

AndyCap:

enterprise edition? that must be the one that doesn't play video

[21:44:25]

XLV:

iamlindoro, it needs beta windows drivers to work.. forceware 182 something .. when they produce same version of drivers for linux, maybe it will work

[21:44:27]

wagnerrp:

although i did have a copy of powerdvd come with a video card, and windvd come with a motherboard

[21:44:44]

XLV:

182.05

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iamlindoro_:

XLV: CoreAVC relies on the coreavc for linux software, which only works on 1.9.0

[21:44:51]

iamlindoro_:

er 1.7.0

[21:45:17]

iamlindoro_:

and I have sincere doubts that an application that interfaces with the windows CUDA headers will "just work" with the linux ones

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karl_:

justinh: i think this one left me with a 300 mb file without audio: http://pastebin.com/d5354e66

[21:46:17]

wagnerrp:

ah, $8 for standard, $15 for pro

[21:46:23]

wagnerrp:

i guess thats more reasonable

[21:46:37]

XLV:

iamlindoro, its a wrapper for the windows binaries. they could be updated to include support for newer coreavc codec versions

[21:47:09]

iamlindoro_:

XLV: That was simple when it was software decode-- it's a different matter entirely when dealing with hardware offload

[21:47:23]

XLV:

iamlindoro, yeah, i know its quite a long shot, but its a welcomed change against the dxva limitations

[21:47:23]

iamlindoro_:

Anyway, what's the point of talking all this theoretical stuff? It's useless for now.

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XLV:

no point, i just mentioned it

[21:47:38]

iamlindoro_:

Forget CoreAVC

[21:47:46]

iamlindoro_:

The ffmpeg frame based multithread is the way

[21:48:05]

iamlindoro_:

Which *might* (and I stress the MIGHT) be an option in .22

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karl_:

justinh: sorry i lied, that one errored as well, i am currently pasting the one which is actually deleting the audio

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wagnerrp:

thats not much good for anything but HDPVR output

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: Not so

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XLV:

iamlindoro_, or to just throw more cpu on the matter.. which i have done.. i dont even have a cuda or vdpau capable gpu on the htpc

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wagnerrp:

or other under-sliced h264 corent

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: The frame based multithread evenly distributes the load on all cores, according to Janne

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iamlindoro_:

Which has advantages to lots of sliced content

[21:50:00]

wagnerrp:

i imagine any dual core machine (except perhaps the atom, or maybe some of the low end P-Ds) can handle HD mpeg2

[21:50:24]

wagnerrp:

i would doubt anyone is using an older dual processor box for a HTPC

[21:50:34]

karl_:

justinh: here is one that finished but without audio: http://pastebin.com/d77d9e462

[21:50:40]

karl_:

any idea what i could do ?

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iamlindoro_:

Software decode is soooooooooo much more stable and fault-tolerant than hardware offload (thus far), I'll take software whenever possible

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karl_:

if i cant fix the mythtranscode, how could i tell it to not transcode recordings from this channel ?

[21:51:18]

iamlindoro_:

VDPAU is icky ad damaged streams where you wouldn't even know they were damaged with ffmpeg

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high-rez:

iamlin: Man, I don't know. vdpau has been rock solid for me.

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iamlindoro_:

er at

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iamlindoro_:

high-rez: it's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact

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wagnerrp:

high-rez: it doesnt handle damaged ATSC very well

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kormoc:

is the ion out?

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iamlindoro_:

VDPAU is very very poor at handling damaged streams, software decode is far superior (and not limited by profile and encoding options)

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high-rez:

I suppose with damaged streams, sure, but I guess I never get damaged streams – cause it's just solid.

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iamlindoro_:

Then you have the matter of limitations of codecs, profile, and encoding options

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wagnerrp:

replacement card should be in by the end of the week

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XLV:

iamlindoro_, one advantage of using cuda against vdpau is that the content doesnt have to follow dxva encoding options.. that would greatly help the ion to become the low cost low power htpc one wants.. but its still quite far away for such a codec to be released for linux

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU can only handle level 4.1, and a lot of encoding software used to default to 5.1

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Dagmar:

level whosit?

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high-rez:

i like that i can underclock my cpu and have a very quiet frontend with vdpau. for h264 i needed a really good proc in software mode. :)

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wagnerrp:

XLV: use of CUDA instead of VDPAU necessitates some minimal amount of processing throughput

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justinh:

karl_: I'd prescribe a bigger HDD and/or just watch more stuff & keep less

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wagnerrp:

it is still yet to be seen whether a 9300 has the power to decode higher bitrate h264

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XLV:

wagnerrp, yeah

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XLV:

anyhow, one step closer

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wagnerrp:

CoreAVC could be just as worthless on an ION as it currently is

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karl_:

justinh: hmm, i am contemplating that. An way to tell mythtv to not transcode shows recorded from this channel ?

[21:55:57]

iamlindoro_:

Using ffmpeg frame based multithread eliminates the need for special hardware, limited codec and encoding options, AND is free

[21:56:01]

iamlindoro_:

so what's the argument?

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karl_:

s/An/Any/

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wagnerrp:

karl_: just turn off transcode on the schedule

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iamlindoro_:

not to mention being boatloads more fault tolerant

[21:56:37]

justinh:

karl_: just about the only way I know is to stop transcoding everything & only enable it on selected recordings

[21:57:22]

karl_:

its recording the same show on different channels, and it fails only on one channel

[21:57:43]

wagnerrp:

make two schedules, one for each channel

[21:57:48]

justinh:

MOARSPAYSE!

[21:58:03]

wagnerrp:

mythtv should recognize that they are duplicate shows, and only record one of them

[21:58:36]

karl_:

its different episodes

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justinh:

you could set the troublesome channel to have a much lower priority ;)

[21:59:13]

unimagnitive:

MOARTUNERZZ

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karl_:

hmmmm

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justinh:

or you could just not transcode anything & get a bigger disk. I kinda like that idea

[21:59:58]

karl_:

is there no way to tell the transcode scheduler to ignore recordings from a specific channel ?

[22:00:06]

justinh:

no

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karl_:

and i can not have a channel specific search by title text rule ?

[22:00:33]

wagnerrp:

i wonder what the cost comparison between transcoding and buying hard drives is

[22:00:47]

justinh:

it might help your cause if you report this transcoding problem as a bug & upload a sample recording somewhere

[22:01:13]

wagnerrp:

i mean its down to ~$0.12/GB anymore

[22:01:17]

JEDIDIAH__:

...depends on if the transcode resources are dedicated or excess necessary capacity (like C2D frontends)

[22:01:32]

justinh:

wagnerrp: takes less time to install a new HDD than it does to transcode zillions of shows

[22:01:54]

karl_:

i would, its just i cant seem to find out what the problem is, its either failing with segfault or removing all audio streams, i dont know what the problem really is...

[22:02:15]

JEDIDIAH__:

transcode-zillions-of-shows.sh is pretty low overhead. Start it and come back in a few days.

[22:02:15]

justinh:

karl_: so stop transcoding automatically for a while

[22:02:43]

karl_:

i will have to, my gf hates me already...

[22:02:45]

justinh:

then you can safely try it out on files one at a time

[22:02:51]

wagnerrp:

figure for a 1080i sitcom, its 3GB normally, vs. 0.5–1GB transcoded

[22:02:58]

wagnerrp:

so maybe $0.30 in hard drive space

[22:03:03]

JEDIDIAH__:

sorting out what each ripped file should be named takes more end user time than transcoding.

[22:03:13]

justinh:

3GB for half an hour of 1080i? ouch

[22:03:29]

wagnerrp:

now last time i transcoded one of those, it took some 6 hours to do IVTC and two pass h264

[22:03:30]

justinh:

that's low

[22:03:43]

wagnerrp:

justinh: actually, i was considering 22 minutes (commercials cut)

[22:03:49]

justinh:

even so

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wagnerrp:

thats 17mbps

[22:04:11]

karl_:

hmm, i see the transcode version in mythbuntu is 1.0.2, do you think upgrading to 1.1.0 could help ?

[22:04:37]

justinh:

karl_: myth doesn't use transcode

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justinh:

it uses mythtranscode

[22:04:53]

wagnerrp:

well... it probably took $0.15 of power to run that transcode

[22:05:15]

JEDIDIAH__:

...sorting out the file titles is especially fun when there is no episode guide and the show is not laid down in broadcast order.

[22:05:17]

wagnerrp:

maybe $0.8-$0.10 considering the PC would have been online and idle anyway

[22:05:19]

karl_:

ah, i thought mythtranscode calls transcode

[22:05:23]

justinh:

wagnerrp: transcoding is all very well & good if it works every time

[22:05:50]

justinh:

dvb streams can make it cough, fart & puke over files

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JEDIDIAH__:

the occasional transcode failure is not a bother.

[22:06:02]

coolego1:

is there a way to make it so when you run mythfilldatabase it doesn't overwrite the XMLTV ID numbers that you've manually entered?

[22:06:06]

justinh:

often for no discernable reason

[22:06:09]

wagnerrp:

well then it comes down to time

[22:06:26]

justinh:

wagnerrp: time it's not worth spending

[22:06:42]

wagnerrp:

it took me about 10 minutes to set up that transcode, beyond the comm cutting

[22:06:43]

justinh:

coolego1: yes. configure mythtv & xmltv correctly

[22:06:48]

wagnerrp:

in order to save some $0.15

[22:06:49]

JEDIDIAH__:

the computer is spending the time.

[22:07:00]

wagnerrp:

my time is worth more than that

[22:07:06]

justinh:

bloody filesquirrels

[22:07:53]

Dagmar:

It amuses me to know people are that desperate to save money, and that they are not me.

[22:08:01]

JEDIDIAH__:

yeah, if you can't automate/reuse stuff than anything is bound to be a bother.

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coolego1:

justinh – thanks. I tried to put in the XMLTV ID in mythsetup manually, but it got overwritten when I ran mythfilldatabase

[22:09:27]

justinh:

I experimented with transcoding for stuff my wife insists on keeping, editing the ads out etc.. just thought sod it & bought big disks

[22:09:56]

JEDIDIAH__:

well... editing stuff is an entirely different kettle of fish.

[22:10:22]

karl_:

where would i report the bugs ?

[22:10:45]

Dagmar:

Bugs in what

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justinh:

svn.mythtv.org but it's not much use without sample clips & posting your logs

[22:11:13]

justinh:

and fwiw it'd only be worthwhile if you can put up the whole original recording

[22:11:18]

karl_:

justinh: i will do as you suggested, stop the transcoding for a while and then do it manually and send the logs

[22:11:25]

justinh:

which you can't attach to a ticket

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justinh:

Dagmar: mythtranscode. puking on dvb recordings

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Dagmar:

I say file the bug report with the DVB provider.

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justinh:

pfft

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JEDIDIAH__:

have you tried transcoding the recording with external tools?

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karl_:

Dagmar: ever tried to file a bug report with the official state TV provider ?

[22:13:15]

JEDIDIAH__:

that might provide some useful extra information.

[22:13:38]

karl_:

i have pastbin'd some info just a few minutes ago

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justinh:

mythtranscode can cough its guts on anything in the middle of a stream for any number of reasons

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karl_:

justinh: i will open a bug and send the reports, lets see how far we get

[22:14:23]

coolego1:

can someone please elaborate as to how you prevent mythfilldatabase from overwriting the XMLTV ID numbers?

[22:14:23]

Dagmar:

karl_: They're the ones sending out the cooked stream

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karl_:

it seems to be a problem right at the beginning

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justinh:

coolego1: yes. configure mythtv & xmltv correctly. Like I told you already

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karl_:

i think its a problem with multiple audio streams, they send scrubs in original english and dubbed german

[22:15:30]

karl_:

the problematic channel is the only one which sends dual-audio i think

[22:15:45]

justinh:

karl_: and if the number of streams changes mid-stream.. stuff like that...

[22:15:56]

karl_:

hmm

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justinh:

churning them though ffmpeg like I said earlier could help

[22:16:28]

justinh:

if that helps, include that info on the ticket

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karl_:

i will open a ticket when i have a few sample files

[22:16:50]

karl_:

thanks a lot justinh for your help

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karl_:

ok, gotta go, cheers !

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** Gumby was more wondering if there was a compile option or something that might have been missed or if its a known issue with trunk and using the screen adjustment wizard. the hight and width can be adjusted by the offset of x/y can not **

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Gumby:

currently using a 32" LCD via hdmi and current nvidia drivers

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coolego1:

justinh – I guess I misspoke before. I have a bunch of DTV stations that I want to get the appropriate data from schedulesdirect for and for each channel with multiple subchannels (i. e. 78.1, 78.2, 78,3) currently only show up as the first channel of the group (i. e. 78.1) so I have a copy of the same data on each of those subchannels

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gbee:

iamlindoro: fonts don't match, couldn't be bothered – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mimic_mediastream2.png

[22:33:03]

wagnerrp:

someone who knows more about mpeg2 than me...

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gbee:

obvious differences – had to use a film for the metadata since folders can't have metadata yet, used the breadcrumbs at the top (where is that 'dvd' coming from?)

[22:33:21]

wagnerrp:

when a station recompresses 720p24 video to 720p60, does it actually take any more space?

[22:33:45]

gbee:

oh and the background/banner don't match the selected item since I didn't have your patch applied so those are cheating

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wagnerrp:

do those duplicate and triplicate frames actually exist? or is it just a flag sent to the decoder to run a pullup?

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** gbee wonders if he managed to upset iamlindoro earlier **

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** JEDIDIAH__ suspects not... (gbee upsetting iamlindoro) **

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JEDIDIAH__:

he doesn't seem prone

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wagnerrp:

i imagine the only thing you could do to piss him off would be to add in a patch into mythui that would silently break any theme named after a form of carbon

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: no, not at all

[22:41:55]

iamlindoro_:

gbee: Looks great!

[22:42:04]

iamlindoro_:

gbee: You're going to suck me back into working on my theme :)

[22:42:22]

iamlindoro_:

NO! On strike! ;)

[22:44:15]

gbee:

heh

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gbee:

just uploaded a new one to the same location with small fonts to better match the original

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iamlindoro_:

It looks really nice

[22:45:24]

** iamlindoro_ kicks his theme. **

[22:45:30]

iamlindoro_:

Why can't you look good like that???

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

gbee: Looks great, and the background is great to... ;-)

[22:46:47]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: it's on track with your mythmusic mockup... ;-)

[22:47:14]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

ie: the very nice backdrop ;-)

[22:47:38]

gbee:

your theme does look that good, or at least close to it, if I were to suggest anything it's that this mediastream theme is hot on the details and well polished (lines aren't sharp, they all have a slight blur to blend them in etc)

[22:49:14]

gbee:

oops, missed a <case>upper</case> from the breadcrumbs at the top

[22:50:12]

gbee:

fixed

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iamlindoro_:

It's okay, every time I see something like that I find something to steal ;)

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/filebin/demotheme.tar.gz

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gbee:

images/xml for that screen and the Aeon one too

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mimic3.png

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gbee:

heh, that screenshot is missing the image reflection, must have been before I added offset support

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gbee:

I'll do up the main menu in the mediastream style tomorrow, unless someone finds something else in another style which is a more interesting demo

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coolego1:

how does MythTV and SchedulesDirect cope with digital channels with more than one channel per "number" (like 78.1, 78.2, 78.3) ?

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: if you want the SVG to get an idea how certain effects were done then I can make it available

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high-rez:

coolego1: It just works (like magic).

[23:13:17]

JEDIDIAH__:

different channels are different channels, it doesn't matter what format the channel number is.

[23:13:22]

coolego1:

high-rez – I wish that were true... I have an ATI HDTV Wonder that I'm using for only-digital stuff and I have a channel lineup that is different from the one on SD (like it has different numbers for the channels) but all the channels are there, they are just under the decimal points.

[23:13:27]

JEDIDIAH__:

relational voodoo

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coolego1:

well for 4 channels with the same big number and different "little numbers" after the decimal, the listings are getting copied 4 times into each one of them

[23:14:27]

JEDIDIAH__:

SD probably doesn't have data for the other channels.

[23:14:41]

JEDIDIAH__:

probably should be blank if nothing else.

[23:15:04]

JEDIDIAH__:

ultimately, SD just passes on what it gets.

[23:15:07]

JEDIDIAH__:

from the source

[23:15:20]

coolego1:

well I'm on a University Campus so my channel numbers are a little screwy

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Dagmar:

Your uni uses subchannels.

[23:15:44]

coolego1:

like 78.1 is ABC and 78.3 is FOX

[23:15:54]

coolego1:

yeah they give us Clear-QAM for the networks

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Dagmar:

Ah, that's rare

[23:16:26]

coolego1:

I'm dealing with literally 8 channels and I can't figure out how to get the data to work

[23:17:15]

JEDIDIAH__:

I have 3 channels on the same multiplex without any problems.

[23:17:34]

Dagmar:

The stuff coming from SD should "just work"

[23:18:11]

Dagmar:

...provided you actually configured it to give you detail for your actual provider.

[23:18:12]

coolego1:

should I use the "use listings source" channel option to get the channels? I don't have all the standard channels on this box, just the digital ones

[23:18:37]

Dagmar:

Did you correctly configure SD to know you get your stuff from "My University's Video Group"?

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Dagmar:

If you've told SD you have Comcast or something, then of course you're going to get less than useful listings data.

[23:19:17]

coolego1:

yeah, I'm using the "Ohio State University Columbus Campus" lineup

[23:19:29]

iamlindoro:

gbee, sure, I'd love a look

[23:19:32]

JEDIDIAH__:

woohoo... baby buckeye...

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Dagmar:

Okay, so if the data is wrong you need to probably submit a report to SD that they listing info is cooked.

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Dagmar:

s/they/their/;

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JEDIDIAH__:

well they should have enough users to rate a source in SD

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JEDIDIAH__:

my suburb has fewer people.

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JEDIDIAH__:

yes, file a bug report.

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Dagmar:

JEDIDIAH__: Actually I think it comes from contractual information from the licence provider... i.e., whoever they're paying money to to be able to retransmit content across the campus network

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coolego1:

would the multiplexed channels show up as such on the lineup?

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Dagmar:

They /should/

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coolego1:

the campus has an agreement with time warner

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coolego1:

I think

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JEDIDIAH__:

well there you go... an explanation "time warner"

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JEDIDIAH__:

'-)

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JEDIDIAH__:

to myth, the proper frequency id's for subchannels is like any other normal channel.

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coolego1:

ok, I will file a bug report...

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JEDIDIAH__:

The . or – in the display doesn't really matter.

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coolego1:

I know

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Dagmar:

Yeah, it should be coming up correctly.

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coolego1:

there are no subchannels on the lineup I'm looking at

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Dagmar:

Check the zap2it data

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Dagmar:

That should be the same stuff

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Dagmar:

If it's any indication of why I'm puzzled the data is broken, here's a URL http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCGri . . . Id=TN02272:-

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JEDIDIAH__:

If you had good guide data but the wrong channel frequencies, you could doctor those yourself.

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Dagmar:

I work at Vandy and actually have to keep an eye the channels (i.e., check 'em once a shift) to make sure none of the recievers have fallen over

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JEDIDIAH__:

every so often DirecTV will have a lineup change and SD doesn't pick it up.

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coolego1:

http://units.osu.edu/cable_tv/line_up.php <<-- this is my lineup

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Dagmar:

You'll probably see the same incorrect data in Zap2it

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JEDIDIAH__:

I've manually tweaked the freq id's in channels a couple of time.

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coolego1:

like the official one

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Dagmar:

Same here http://digitallife.vanderbilt.edu/resnet/channelLineUp.html

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coolego1:

but yours is right Dagmar?

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Dagmar:

Mine works perfectly fine for campus

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coolego1:

mine is wrong

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Dagmar:

Yeah I'm seeing that it's insane

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Dagmar:

I put 43210 zip into Zap2it, and there's two entries for campus... one for digital and one for cable

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JEDIDIAH__:

you could always try to use the broadcast source for columbus and then change the channel frequencies.

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Dagmar:

Submit http://units.osu.edu/cable_tv/line_up.php URL with the report

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Dagmar:

They'll hopefully be able to sort something out from there.

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Dagmar:

It looks like neither of the listings for Zap2it is even remotely correct, which means some technician in some shadowy room needs to push some bits around

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coolego1:

haha, yeah I think so

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coolego1:

I thought about tweaking the freqs but I think it should "just work" (of course) and the stuff is all wrong really

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coolego1:

I only have those digital channels (>=78)

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Dagmar:

Yeah you could shuffle the things aorund yourself, but someone somewhere else will probably be happy someone's reported the data needs to be fixed instead of just grumbling about it

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JEDIDIAH__:

if you are going to tweak freqs then you need to start with data that at least looks usable.

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JEDIDIAH__:

yup.

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Dagmar:

The list your campus publishes *should* be what's going out to the listings people

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gbee:

iamlindoro: http://miffteevee.co.uk/filebin/mimics.svg

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Dagmar:

...apparently it's not

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Nice, thanks!

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coolego1:

Dagmar – How long do you think it'll take to fix that?

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JEDIDIAH__:

weeks to fix...

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Dagmar:

Dunno. A day, a month, a wrrk?>

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Dagmar:

It depends on how much paperwork has to be generated

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coolego1:

true...

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coolego1:

I'm just trying to decide if I should edit my channel frequencies anyway

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JEDIDIAH__:

...just start out with a lineup (like columbus broadcast or regular TW ) that isn't totally messed up.

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JEDIDIAH__:

it sounds like the campus lineup is beyond repair.

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