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Monday, February 16th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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clop:

hi, we had a power bump today and it looks like all the "record this show once a week" settings have been lost, is there somewhere they might be backed up or anything?

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gbee:

I feel sorry for the guys in India (or whereever it is) who have now got to colour in larger frames

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gbee:

unless they are doing it all on computers these days

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PMantis:

Anyone see the "LaCinema Black MAX"? At $650 for a single tuner ATSC 1TB DVR, it's too expensive... but when it gets cheaper, it might make a great frontend! HDMI, Component, 10/100, video in.

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coolego1:

Does anyone have the HDTV Wonder working as an analog card? All I get is black video and no audio when I try to tune analog with it

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Shadow__X:

hey clever can i pm you

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Shadow__X:

whats better than this

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Shadow__X:

for x in `ls /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/*.mpg`; do mythtranscode --mpeg2 --buildindex --allkeys --showprogress --infile $x;done

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Shadow__X:

what should i use instead of ls

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clever:

never use ls

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clever:

for x in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/*.mpg; do....

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clever:

bash can do that on its own

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Shadow__X:

how come

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joe2371:

So CFQ may cause prebuffering pauses? If so, what to use then? Anticipatory?

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joe2371:

Basically, I'm getting the pauses on the FE watching streaming video, despite both FE and BE having low CPU utilization. But when I copy the same program over and play in mplayer, it plays without issue. I'm not sure then on which box the trouble likely lies.

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andreax:

Hm. What makes mythweb thinks /mnt/video2 and /mnt/video3 is one drive? This leads to wrong calculation in total disk space. Is this a bug? http://rafb.net/p/91IyIM13.html

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mzb_d800:

clever & Shadow_X: that's fine for a limited number of recordings, but you'll have issues if the line buffer limit is exceeded

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mzb_d800:

to get around that, either:

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clever:

i would cd into that directory and use *.mpg

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clever:

making each path a great deal shorter

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Shadow__X:

hey clever how about goingthrough all directories and making them executable how would you write that

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mzb_d800:

still possible to exceed buffer

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clever:

mzb_d800: but you would need alot more filenames to do so

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clever:

mzb_d800: do you know much about DDOS?

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mzb_d800:

yeah ... why limit it? ;)

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mzb_d800:

$ ls /var/lib/mythtv/recordings | grep .mpg$ | while read video; do XXX "$video"; done

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mzb_d800:

or better (in many ways)

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clever:

as i said before, never parse ls output

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mzb_d800:

$ find "$MYDIR" -type f ....

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clever:

find /var/lib/mythtv/recordings -type f -name "*.mpg" -print0|xargs -0 -n 1 mythtranscode --mpeg2 --buildindex --allkeys --showprogress --infile

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mzb_d800:

better

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clever:

mzb_d800: trying to track down a bandwidth flood i had here recently

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mzb_d800:

external?

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clever:

yeah

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mzb_d800:

firewall?

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mzb_d800:

(/router?)

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clever:

over 10,000kbyte/sec of crap getting shoved down my pipe

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mzb_d800:

nice

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clever:

the connection can only handle 600/sec

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mzb_d800:

where was it going?

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clever:

all aimed at whatever ip i set my domain name to

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mzb_d800:

lovely

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mzb_d800:

got openwrt?

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clever:

i was allready droping the packets

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clever:

but the only way to solve it is to drop the packets on the ISP side before it enters my tiny dsl pipe

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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clever:

or change my domain name to point elsewhere

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mzb_d800:

get openwrt (or similar)

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clever:

im running linux on a desktop as my router

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mzb_d800:

urgh

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clever:

got a couple tcpdump's of the spamage

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mzb_d800:

no, I mean run a firewall/router _at_your_boundary_

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clever:

before the bandwidth gets heavily limited?

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mzb_d800:

before it gets routed by anything else

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mzb_d800:

ie: first device after the modem

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clever:

ISP->dsl(600kbyte/sec)->router(linux)->everything else

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mzb_d800:

put the modem in bridge mode, and have a router behind it running the pppoe

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clever:

if you shove 10mbyte/sec down that path, your going to get a ton of lost packets

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clever:

84% packet loss

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... sounds like you should probably talk to your ISP ... unless you've got your own method of determining the issue

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mzb_d800:

a *good* router app will help you with that ;)

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clever:

yeah i would have to talk to the ISP to filter the garbage out

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clever:

but i was also able to edit my dns record and point the garbage elsewhere

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mzb_d800:

ipcop's another good one

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clever:

sent it to a friends server where he recorded the '10,000kbyte/sec' rate hammering him

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clever:

but his server failed shortly after

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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clever:

not realy looking to block the traffic

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clever:

but track down the source

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clever:

to find out WHO is causing it

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mzb_d800:

ipcop

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mzb_d800:

(with snort/etc)

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mzb_d800:

clickety click ... reverse lookups, etc (iirc)

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clever:

'Development of IPCop continues. A significant new release, version 1.4.0, now based on the LFS distribution'

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clever:

i have LFS 6.2 on my router:P

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mzb_d800:

clickety click, swipe, paste ... report offender

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mzb_d800:

got snort and ... err... whatever it is that goes with it ... requires free rego ... funny name iirc

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mzb_d800:

?

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clever:

i have tcpdump installed and got a ~4 captures of the spamage

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mzb_d800:

hmmm ... not quite the same thing though, is it ;)

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clever:

19k packets are from a single ip

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mzb_d800:

with all the dodgy old machines I'm sure you've got lying around, surely you could hack one up to be your IPCop firewall ? :)

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** mzb_d800 wonders where the bl00dy postie is already! [having spent a fortune of late] **

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mzb_d800:

[just bought 4 rack cases without lids for $8 ea + post ... should get help me clear the computer room a little]

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clever:

the bulk of the packets came from a .fr domain

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mzb_d800:

3yo wants food

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mishehu:

mzb_d800: 3 year old wants food? time to send 'em off to the factory to earn their keep, no? *grin*

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mzb_d800:

yeah, starting to wonder if I should enrol her in kinder a year early ;)

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mzb_d800:

but I suspect her mouse skills would put the teachers to shame ;)

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mishehu:

mine's in daycare since his 3rd month

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mishehu:

but tomorrow being presidents day they are closed...

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mishehu:

although a lot of folks have to work. so I have to take a day off since my wife can't.

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mzb_d800:

gee

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mishehu:

I wouldn't mind so much but they charge $1000 a month and don't give a credit for days they're closed.

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mzb_d800:

yeah, I think my reign of the homefront is almost over ... she's bearing the next one already, so looks like I'll have to find somewhere else to entertain myself during daylight hours ;)

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mzb_d800:

that'd be right

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mishehu:

I work from home so I got no choice abotu that

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mzb_d800:

yeah, I'd prefer that in a lot of ways, but I suspect my time's up ;)

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coolego1:

does it seem likely that they'll ever have driver support for the Hauppauge HVR-2250?

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iamlindoro__:

Who's they?

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iamlindoro__:

There's be driver support once someone finishes writing one

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iamlindoro__:

s/There's/There'll/

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kormoc:

iamlindoro__, happen to know a bit bout firewire?

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iamlindoro__:

kormoc, yeah, shoot

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tank-man:

is hauppauge still friendly with opensource? like with answering tech questions about their new hardware

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iamlindoro__:

yes, Hauppauge still helps with open-source as much as they are able

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kormoc:

iamlindoro__, So I got the cable box hooked up via firewire, but firewire tester is failing. plugreport is showing it, but it fails to set the p2p or channel options (as per the firewire wiki recommends). Is this an indication that the box is locked by chance?

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iamlindoro__:

kormoc, not necessarily, I never issue the p2p/channel options, I don't believe they're necessary

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iamlindoro__:

kormoc, so firewire tester is failing with -b, -B, and -p?

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kormoc:

Aye

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iamlindoro__:

first thing's first, to maximize your chances, change the channel to a locl

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iamlindoro__:

er local

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iamlindoro__:

(on the box itself)

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iamlindoro__:

so NBC/etc.

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kormoc:

Rgr, one sec

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iamlindoro__:

as it won't stabilize for me on a 5C channel, YMMV

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iamlindoro__:

I usually use something like: firewire_tester -n 1 -B -r 5

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iamlindoro__:

(for a box on node 1)

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iamlindoro__:

I only get results via firewire, but sometimes it takes up to 3–5 iterations through to get it stable (thus -r 5)

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iamlindoro__:

er results via broadcast

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kormoc:

so I'm on 505 (NBC HD), and here's the output from plugreport and firewire tester, http://pastebin.ca/1338562

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iamlindoro__:

same with -p?

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kormoc:

P2P: Testing...Failed (sync failed)

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Sedorox:

ok.. I'm at a loss... what would cause mythtv playback (video, music, etc) to pause for 2–10 secs at random intervals ( from every few seconds, to ever minute), as user mythtv... but play perfectly fine as root? (and nothing is showing up in the logs, myth or system)

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kormoc:

and the rest, aye

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iamlindoro__:

kormoc, I've only ever seen sync failed when it's 5C

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iamlindoro__:

maybe try the SD NBC?

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iamlindoro__:

(not that that does you much good)

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Sedorox:

I'm thinking permissions.. but on what...

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iamlindoro__:

I think FIOS modulates QAM at the side of the house, right? So worst comes to worst you should be able to get locals via QAM

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kormoc:

oh, hrm, sd gave me one P2P: Testing...Success, 121 packets received and then 4 more fails

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iamlindoro__:

try -B

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iamlindoro__:

(on the SD channel)

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kormoc:

Yeah, but I was hoping I could just get all my channels via firewire, that'd be really snazzy

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iamlindoro__:

no doubt

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kormoc:

Broadcast: Testing...Success, 122 packets then a broadcast fail and then a pile of p2p fail and then the rest as the first time

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iamlindoro__:

is that with a -r 5 option?

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kormoc:

aye

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iamlindoro__:

boo

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iamlindoro__:

odd, though, that you would get anything, that seems to imply that the channel probably isn't 5C

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iamlindoro__:

I have a box with firmware they "upgraded" that exhibited symptoms like that and would never work right via firewire again

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

Perhaps I should call up and complain

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iamlindoro__:

That's the extent of my knowledge re: stabilizing, you may need to play with the options/channels on the box and see if you can get something going-- That's more or less the info I needed to get it working

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iamlindoro__:

have you tried getting channel change working yet?

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iamlindoro__:

Would tell you if they've accomplished the bare minimum

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kormoc:

hrm, I have not, let me go poke at that script

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iamlindoro__:

you will likely need to run 6200ch -v -v somechannelnumber

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iamlindoro__:

which will give you the model and maker ID, which you will need to hack into the .h file, then recompile, then it should work with 6200ch -g guidofthebox somechannelnumber

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kormoc:

Yeah, channel changing does work

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

I wonder

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kormoc:

so they have it hooked into my tv via my tv's OTA tuner

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iamlindoro__:

unfortunately that gives them ammo to argue they've provided a "functional" firewire port :(

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kormoc:

which likely means the box is dumping to QAM?

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kormoc:

which would seem to say that I could use firewire to change the channels and use a QAM tuner to get the stream

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iamlindoro__:

That would be surprising to me, but as I know nothing about the QIP box they use, or how they modulate QAM at the side of the house, I'll stay tuned and you can tell me :)

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kormoc:

heh

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kormoc:

All I know is I have to have my tv set to OTA channel 3 for it to work right now

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iamlindoro__:

and the input is distinct from the TV's analog tuner?

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kormoc:

let me check

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iamlindoro__:

wait, it's coax and you're getting HD?

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kormoc:

Aye

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iamlindoro__:

then it *has* to be QAM, no two ways about it

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iamlindoro__:

neat/interesting

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kormoc:

let me verify that it's the right input that I'm thinking

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iamlindoro__:

The very fact that it's coax means it has to be, if you're getting HD channels

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iamlindoro__:

(or at least, getting them in HD)

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wagnerrp:

anyone tried mythvodka? seems my sister missed Desperate Housewives tonight, after telling me to 'dont bother recording it'

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kormoc:

iamlindoro_, yeah... erm... yeah... it's not HD, it's down sampling...

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** kormoc sighs **

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iamlindoro__:

boo again

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kormoc:

the STB says 'Outputting 720p'! and I totally believed it

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: could be worse

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kormoc:

tv claims it's standard cable

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wagnerrp:

one of my friends went to his grandparent's house a couple months ago

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wagnerrp:

wondered why their HDTV and HD satellite looked like crap

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wagnerrp:

turns out when the techs had installed it two years ago, they put the STB on forced 480p mode

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kormoc:

I've had the tv hooked up for a few days already, and I haven't actually watched it, just played with the STB

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mike_hurley_:

anybody know anything about using vlc in mythtv? i have inconsistent menu behavior from vlc gui and from mythfrontend calling vlc.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv would only use vlc if you call it from mythvideo

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mike_hurley_:

right

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wagnerrp:

why doesnt the internal player work?

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iamlindoro__:

The solution is to not use external players :)

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mike_hurley_:

i get a blue line at the top of one of my dvds during playback if i use internal player

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wagnerrp:

the only issues ive heard about the internal player are some playback problems with faulty mkv files

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iamlindoro__:

You switched players because *one* DVD looks wrong?

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mike_hurley_:

seems a good reason to me...should i accept 1 looking bad?

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iamlindoro__:

erm...yes?

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iamlindoro__:

or when you choose to play that *1* DVD just open up VLC manually

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wagnerrp:

well, you can fix the problem with one dvd on mythtv, or deal with two separate interfaces for all dvds

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iamlindoro__:

or rip that one DVD and set a custom player for the resulting file

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mike_hurley_:

i already have it ripped

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iamlindoro__:

so do the above them

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iamlindoro__:

then

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wagnerrp:

well i have no experience with mythvideo playback (or vlc), so cant really help with this one

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wagnerrp:

err... mythvideo dvd playback

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** iamlindoro__ goes to play FEAR 2 **

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mike_hurley_:

ok, i still have the menu problem on the one that has problems with internal player

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atmaweapon:

if i deleted a recording via "delete" instead of "delete and rerecord", how can I rerecord it? keeps showing up as a duplicate.

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atmaweapon:

schedule override doesn't seem to work either

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wagnerrp:

if you go into manage recordings, there is a section that lists all recordings, current and deleted

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wagnerrp:

you can remove it from there

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atmaweapon:

is that from a frontend? any way via cmd line/mythweb?

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wagnerrp:

frontend, yes

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wagnerrp:

from a command line, one *could* go digging around around in the database

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wagnerrp:

but you probably shouldnt

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atmaweapon:

i'm looking through the db right now, but nothing is coming up as obvious as the right field to update

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kormoc:

mythweb has a 'Forget Old' button

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kormoc:

hrm

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you can forget old on an individual recording as it refuses to record

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atmaweapon:

kormoc: yeah, i tried "forget old", but it didn't seem to do anything

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wagnerrp:

why is mythvodka built using trunk and qt3...

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atmaweapon:

ah, ok, i was able to vnc into my backend and start mythfrontend there. manage recordings worked. thx

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iamlindoro__:

wagnerrp, It was already a horrible collection of hacks, might as well add another

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RyeBrye:

WTF? someone is using trunk and QT3? how would they even get it to compile???

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iamlindoro__:

Nothing stopping you from writing a plugin using Qt3

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iamlindoro__:

just stupid

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kormoc:

iamlindoro_, so, the cable box claims firewire is active, but most channels seem to have copy protection flags on them (including the local hd channels)

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RyeBrye:

Oh, ok

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RyeBrye:

the PLUGIN was using QT3

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iamlindoro__:

kormoc, ick :(

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RyeBrye:

I was thinking there was some strange myth version / fork or something that was maintaining a big nasty batch of patches to get the trunk to work with QT3 for not apparent reason

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iamlindoro__:

RyeBrye, He specifically said the plugin's name

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unimaginative:

Alright, I think I found a list of discrete ir codes for my samsung TV. they're in raw hex, is there a guide for getting lirc to send these to the blaster?

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RyeBrye:

iamlindoro__: Yeah, I don't know what "MythVodka" does – and since the name of the plugin doesn't really indicate what it does (unless it makes vodka) I was assuming it was some strange esoteric fork of myth

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iamlindoro__:

*shrug* made sense to me

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RyeBrye:

What does it do?

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RyeBrye:

nm

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iamlindoro__:

It's a hack on top of a set of script to download Hulu stuff

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RyeBrye:

stupid acronym

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kormoc:

aslo, wonderfully, HDMI and component outputs are disabled on the box

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tank-man:

sounded like a mythtv specific distro

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iamlindoro__:

kormoc, WHAT?!?!?

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iamlindoro__:

kormoc, that's ridiculous, WTF for?

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kormoc:

no idea, but I'm not happy bout this at all

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iamlindoro__:

kormoc, That doesn't even make any sense, they advertise it as an HD service/Box, right?

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kormoc:

Aye

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RyeBrye:

kormoc: so... basically... there is not a single HD-capable output on the box?

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iamlindoro__:

I'd demand a service credit for whatever time it takes them to make it work

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kormoc:

RyeBrye, not a single enabled hd capable output on the box

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kormoc:

it has 2x hdmi ports, component, and analog, only the analog is enabled

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iamlindoro__:

that's total BS

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RyeBrye:

2 HDMI ports? So what – you can drive 2 TV's that are each less than 50 feet away from the box with that one cable box? (if they were enabled)?

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kormoc:

In theory, it also has two tuners (one of which is disabled)

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iamlindoro:

Heh, Simpsons milked that opening

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iamlindoro:

but it *does* look good in HD

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tank-man:

looks good in SD too

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RyeBrye:

is the telnet interface for myth being actively maintained at the moment? I just discovered it and was playing around with it but some stuff teems broken (or maybe it's pebcac)

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RyeBrye:

eg – "query location" always returns "MainMenu" and when I try to type in "play program" with a chanID and a date it just freezes the telnet interface and the frontend doesn't play it back

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erbz:

something uses a telnet interface?

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wagnerrp:

the frontend does

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erbz:

nostalgia

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RyeBrye:

Many of the telnet control apps I've seen just do basic button controls and use the "send keys" – but the query stuff to get a list of recordings looks hella powerful – and if the "play program" worked correctly – you could make a remote app that would easil exceed the capability of a normal remote

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RyeBrye:

erbz: well – it's just a naked socket... it doesn't run on port 23 or anything so it's not really "telnet" any more than HTTP or SMTP is Telnet -

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erbz:

yeah same deal

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RyeBrye:

but you can use a telnet client to connect to it (which is also true for HTTP, or SMTP...) :)

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erbz:

i get it

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erbz:

regular unencrypted port

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RyeBrye:

If nobody is maintaining that code right now I might take a stab at it and see what I can do to get the "play program" feature workng better

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RyeBrye:

or actually working

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wagnerrp:

last i seem is some work kormoc did back in november

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RyeBrye:

The key translation works perfectly for sending keys

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RyeBrye:

so for a basic "remote" that simulates a normal remote control – it works fine

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RyeBrye:

but it was clear that someone at some point had a grander idea for this

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wagnerrp:

which really only seems to be a result of his using the telnet interface in mythweb

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: there actually was no grand idea on a mythdev part

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wagnerrp:

the telnet interface was contract work for Pluto

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RyeBrye:

Ah, ok

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wagnerrp:

apparently Pluto paid a fair chunk of money to get that added

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RyeBrye:

Well – if the basic play program stuff was fixed (it may be in the latest trunk – the version I was playing on is a few weeks old) – you could conceivable add in a frontend remote control feature to the mythweb which would be pretty slick imo... i.e. on the recorded programs have a button like "start playing on my Upstairs TV" or something

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iamlindoro:

There already is a frontend remote in mythweb

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iamlindoro:

that *does* use the telnet interface

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iamlindoro:

and the recorded programs DO have a button saying play of frontend X

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iamlindoro:

er play on

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wagnerrp:

really? i guess im running an old version

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iamlindoro:

Cut and pasted from mythweb: Play Recording on Frontend: * Moriarty

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RyeBrye:

iamlindoro: where do you configure your frontends for it?

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iamlindoro:

You don't, you just turn on the telnet interface on each frontend, the end

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: it 'knows' what frontends exist, based off what the database tells it are active

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iamlindoro:

And the remote is accessed from the Giganto word "remote" on the front mythweb page

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iamlindoro:

whodathunkit

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wagnerrp:

yeah, my copy of mythweb is about 2 months old

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iamlindoro:

The mythweb remote is much older than that AFAIK

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wagnerrp:

i have the remote, i dont see any 'play recording on...'

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RyeBrye:

yeah, nor do I

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wagnerrp:

just the key controls

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iamlindoro:

That's a bit newer (in the detail screen of the recording)

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iamlindoro:

Under the job options

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iamlindoro:

about 6 weeks ago I think

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wagnerrp:

yeah, im around 9 weeks

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wagnerrp:

mythweb is plug-and-play now right? no changes made to the actual web directory

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RyeBrye:

mine is from jan 20 and I see none of those options – I have telnet interfaces on both my frontends enabled

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: -fixes or trunk?

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RyeBrye:

trunk

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Still need to symlink the bit for mythvideo

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RyeBrye:

r19786

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: well at least that will complain, rather than just silently not working properly

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iamlindoro:

Did you manually install mythweb? It has to be manually copied, doesn't get installed bya make install

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iamlindoro:

er by a

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wagnerrp:

yeah, all manual

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RyeBrye:

me? I manually install mythweb

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wagnerrp:

i just didnt remember if everything got moved to the httpd.conf include

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iamlindoro:

RyeBrye, Dunno what to tell you, the remote has been there for ages

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iamlindoro:

and works fine for me

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RyeBrye:

I'll look on the wiki for info nit

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RyeBrye:

205 programs, using 788 GB (7 days 21 hrs 56 mins) out of 899 GB (4.5 GB free).

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** RyeBrye needs to get more drives **

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iamlindoro:

Remote control was installed 6000 revisions ago in mythweb ;)

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iamlindoro:

13217

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iamlindoro:

so almost 7000 ago

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wagnerrp:

thats more space than i have on my system

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iamlindoro:

sphery, By the way, I won the r20000 bet

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RyeBrye:

is it at r20000 yet?

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iamlindoro:

over

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RyeBrye:

ah, 20003

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RyeBrye:

Someone should have targeted hitting 20000 at 1234567890

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RyeBrye:

it would have been a party all around

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wagnerrp:

it links to 'http://remote/play_program_on_frontend....', that cant be right...

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wagnerrp:

i bet its because i have mythweb forced to the root path, rather than /mythweb

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wagnerrp:

yeah, 'RewriteBase /'

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wagnerrp:

looks like it adds another '/' to the path, breaking things

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RyeBrye:

wagnerrp: you are seeing those links?

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RyeBrye:

I don't see any "play on" links – broken or otherwise – and apparently there is supposed to be a super obvious link for a remote interface that I'm also not seeting :(

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wagnerrp:

bottom right side, of the individual episode page

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wagnerrp:

front page, list of options, remote

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RyeBrye:

I just have "queue a job" and then "recently completed jobs

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RyeBrye:

Ahhh – I DO see that

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RyeBrye:

for the "Remote"

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RyeBrye:

/mythweb/remote

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RyeBrye:

of course, not it seems to do nothing when I click on it -but that's aprobelm for tomrorrow

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RyeBrye:

I'll check the logs and see waht is wrong – but mythweb/remote/keys just doesn't return a response to my browser

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Steven_M:

hi all

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Steven_M:

which directory should should xmltv grabber scripts be installed into?

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Steven_M:

i mean placed into?

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Steven_M:

anyone here?

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Steven_M:

which directory should should xmltv grabber scripts be placed into?

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wagnerrp:

its been 7 minutes, and ONE new person has joined

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RyeBrye:

?

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RyeBrye:

oh... re: the repeating

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wagnerrp:

although 173... as of XKCD's 2006 map, that was an unallocated A

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RyeBrye:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=xmltv+grabber+scripts+directory+mythtv

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wagnerrp:

i dont know where they would be from

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RyeBrye:

the gov'ment

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wagnerrp:

well its mediacom, which seems to have a number of communities across the US (which would mean they dont know xmltv)

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Steven_M:

wagnerrp: sorry for repeating

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wagnerrp:

dont apologize to me, im just saying have some patience

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wagnerrp:

especially when you want help for xmltv at at this time of day

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wagnerrp:

nearly all the help youre going to get is from european users

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wagnerrp:

who will be waking up over the next hour or so

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Shadow__X:

how do i dump what a script does to a log file

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wagnerrp:

'>'

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Shadow__X:

no within the script

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kormoc:

echo?

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Shadow__X:

an external app calls the script

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wagnerrp:

'>'

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wagnerrp:

kormoc, bit of a bug in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

mythweb, rather

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kormoc:

write a shim that calls your script and redirects it's output?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, ooh?

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wagnerrp:

modules/tv/tmpl/default/detail.php

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Shadow__X:

for y in $1/*.sfv;

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Shadow__X:

do rm $y;

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Shadow__X:

done > log? within the script?

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wagnerrp:

end of the file, with the 'play on frontend' stuff

[06:02:22]

wagnerrp:

you added an extra '/' when you print out the link

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, for y in $1/*.sfv; do echo "rm $y" >> file.log; rm $y; done

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, yeah?

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kormoc:

ahh

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Gumby`:

When I start mythbackend on a test box I have, it wants to connect to my old master backend IP. I have edited /etc/mysql.txt Is there somewhere else it might be looking?

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kormoc:

Safari user?

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Shadow__X:

ah kormoc thanks

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wagnerrp:

firefox

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Shadow__X:

had trouble conceptualizing

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kormoc:

Gumby`, the backend (if using upnp) or config.xml?

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wagnerrp:

anyway, i moved mythweb to /, rather than /mythweb, using RewriteBase

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I've only heard that bug affecting safari users... huh.

[06:04:21]

wagnerrp:

so the address on the link was to 'remote', rather than the actual server name

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wagnerrp:

i figure its easier to tell you, than to write out a patch and ticket to remove a single '/'

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kormoc:

Heh, yeah, I'll get that later tonight

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wagnerrp:

ok, no rush, i already did the extensive fix locally

[06:05:39]

Gumby`:

kormoc, this machine is both front/back end at the moment. I have removed the users config.xml and mysql.txt for the moment and when running mythbackend its still trying to connect to the old sql server. Ive verified on the command line that my mysql user/pass/ip is correct

[06:06:21]

Gumby`:

I think it might have worked this last time

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** Gumby` figured it out. it was failing to log into localhost as the mythtv mysql user (even though mysql.txt and config.xml state which IP it should be on) **

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Gumby`:

After that it was trying for upnp hosts and was finding the old backend

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Steven_M:

which directory should should xmltv grabber scripts be placed into?

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cesman:

I'd say that depends on your distro and where things land after compiling... So long as your $PATH is accurate, MythTV will find it

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Steven_M:

cesman: ok thanks :)

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cesman:

you're welcome

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wagnerrp:

more spam on the freebsd mailing lists, this time one of those 'please enter confidential information to regain bank access' lures

[07:41:34]

justinh:

it's important that people regain access to their money though :P

[07:42:27]

wagnerrp:

apparently all members on the lists have accounts at the Bank of Baroda

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justinh:

time for yet another sweep of /myth/flacmusic

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wagnerrp:

looks like somewhere in india

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justinh:

haven't the 419 prospecters wised up yet? I suppose people must still be falling for the scams in sufficient numbers

[07:44:34]

wagnerrp:

there was an ariticle a few weeks ago about someone in canadia who got hit for $120k

[07:44:56]

justinh:

must still be one born every minute

[07:45:03]

wagnerrp:

more recently, i heard some school district got hit for $2.5M

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wagnerrp:

but some bank it was getting routed through in texas got suspicious, and froze some $1.8M of that

[07:46:08]

justinh:

heh

[07:46:55]

wagnerrp:

actually, it seems it was the state of Utah

[07:47:04]

wagnerrp:

crazy mormons

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justinh:

gullible == religious ?

[07:48:15]

justinh:

I'm still sore from having to sit through what felt like 8 hours of sermon yesterday

[07:48:35]

justinh:

last time I go to any church willingly

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wagnerrp:

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_11691598

[07:49:03]

wagnerrp:

we used to have a guy who put a clock up in the back

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wagnerrp:

so he could stand on his pulpit, and ramble on if he hadnt spent enough time

[07:50:15]

justinh:

we know some of the people standing next to us quite well, seems they turn into different folks on Sundays

[07:51:19]

justinh:

oh ubunuts.. wtf have you done with apt? time was when installing software didn't clog up my machine for ages

[07:51:51]

wagnerrp:

'Ongaga', im certain ive heard that name before in reference to 419 scams

[07:52:24]

wagnerrp:

maybe thats their form of 'smith' or 'meister'

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justinh:

hrm. should I have two 'apache2' processes running?

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt have any 'apache2' processes running

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wagnerrp:

apache2 calls itself 'httpd'

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wagnerrp:

apparently some 2004 survey put the average IQ of Utah at 87

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justinh:

oops. got about nine instances of 'apache2 -k start' going

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justinh:

and there are no processes labelled 'httpd'

[08:01:28]

justinh:

and yes, my web server is up

[08:06:14]

wagnerrp:

joebert deserves a medal for this one... http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1128315&26861587

[08:07:29]

justinh:

lol

[08:10:20]

justinh:

hokay. built a newer version of picard & using it locally... scanning the big dir yet again

[08:11:30]

wagnerrp:

picard?

[08:11:47]

justinh:

musicbrainz tag editor

[08:11:55]

wagnerrp:

the avid starship captain has been reincarnated as a mp3 manager...

[08:12:07]

justinh:

mp3/ogg/flac :)

[08:12:22]

wagnerrp:

actually, did he use a 'q' in his name? piquard?

[08:12:27]

justinh:

nope

[08:13:10]

wagnerrp:

nope, just picard... i just know how the french like their 'qu's

[08:14:17]

justinh:

I wish they'd use a local database. every time you load it, it interrogates their server

[08:14:57]

wagnerrp:

i remember trying musicbrainz once, several years ago

[08:15:24]

justinh:

I remember being initially impressed with cddb.. and then again with freedb

[08:15:26]

wagnerrp:

ive just found winamp (now infused with media library) is adequate for my needs

[08:15:52]

justinh:

freedb make it way too easy to submit crap information

[08:18:25]

wagnerrp:

well you know... thats the problem with the current direction of the web

[08:18:44]

wagnerrp:

make something too easy to put on the web, and we get twitter

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justinh:

$user is on the bog

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wagnerrp:

the killer app for blogging about your bowel movements

[08:19:06]

justinh:

$user is washing his hands

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justinh:

$user is tweeting

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justinh:

$user is tweeting again

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justinh:

$user is tweeting yet again!

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wagnerrp:

'i just dropped a deuce, it was a big one, i have to go rest from that battle'

[08:20:13]

justinh:

I kinda like picard though. had a plugin which automagically downloads covers from amazon

[08:20:17]

justinh:

*has

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JohnQ:

Anyone got a HDHomerun in addition to regular non-digital card(s)?

[08:20:38]

wagnerrp:

JohnQ: i have a hdhomerun, and a digital card, and a pair of analog cards

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wagnerrp:

justinh: winamp has something of that sort as well

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wagnerrp:

it trips up here and there, but usually works

[08:21:18]

justinh:

does winamp do flac now?

[08:21:30]

wagnerrp:

perhaps not natively

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justinh:

pfft

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wagnerrp:

but i know it has had plugins for it since i started using it like 9 years ago

[08:21:52]

wagnerrp:

10? 11?, something like that

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JohnQ:

wagnerrp: How well does the myth plan the recordings? I.e. if something is available on HD on the homerun, and std on the analog card will it choose the better one?

[08:22:07]

justinh:

JohnQ: it's up to you, that

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justinh:

set tuner priorities

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JohnQ:

Oh I see.

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kormoc:

or set prefer hd over sd

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wagnerrp:

JohnQ: i have all my recordings bound to particular channels, so i never run into that issue

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JohnQ:

So "always prefer tuner X over tuner Y"?

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justinh:

JohnQ: no, just give HD tuners higher numbers

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wagnerrp:

since the analog and digital copies of a channel are seen as different channels

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JohnQ:

I see

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justinh:

higher _priority_ numbers, or as kormoc says..

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JohnQ:

I see

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JohnQ:

Okay, that sounds reasonable

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wagnerrp:

or, dump all your tuners, and add the HDHR first

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justinh:

you can set channels to have priorities too

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wagnerrp:

assuming lack of other guidance, mythtv schedules on the first available tuner

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JohnQ:

Okay, so I just add the HDHR tuners, then the analog ones.

[08:24:12]

JohnQ:

That seems reasonable.

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wagnerrp:

and assuming youre not already recording something on both HDHR tuners, your show will be recorded there

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justinh:

there's more than one way to skin a cat

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justinh:

btw AFAIK the 'prefer HD' option depends on the 'HD' flag being set in your guide data

[08:25:21]

JohnQ:

Any issues with getting the lineups for it?

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wagnerrp:

depends on where you live

[08:25:44]

JohnQ:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

over here in the states, its painfully simple

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JohnQ:

I am in california

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CCFL_Man3 is now known as CCFL_Man2

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wagnerrp:

then get SD, pay your $20/yr, and never worry again

[08:26:20]

wagnerrp:

SD = schedulesdirect

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** justinh wonders what happens when CCFL_Man2 gets to CCFL_Man0 **

[08:26:38]

wagnerrp:

global thermonuclear war

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JohnQ:

I am already using them for my analog lineup

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wagnerrp:

JohnQ: then just add another linup

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wagnerrp:

youre allowed four on a single account

[08:26:57]

JohnQ:

Excellent.

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justinh:

wagnerrp: typo. it's global thermonucular war. spell it like you say it :P

[08:27:23]

JohnQ:

3 should be plenty. 1 for my analog tuners, one for HDHR cable, and one for HDHR OTA.

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wagnerrp:

huh? i pronounce it nu-cle-er...

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JohnQ:

I'm sold. I'll buy one now :-)

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** justinh wonders if listening to all those ripped albums would take less time than ripping/tagging em **

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grokky:

justinh: your talk about ripping your cd collection is motivating me to do the same and whack the lot in mythmusic. What are you using for the ripping, if you don't mind me asking? I'm keen to get quality lossless copies.

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justinh:

EAC on windows & grip on linux

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justinh:

tried max. paranoia setting in mythmusic & it didn't seem to produce good rips

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justinh:

maybe I messed up somewhere & listened to the wrong rip

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justinh:

if you're ripping on linux don't use anything that doesn't use cdparanoia

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justinh:

not if you want _accurate_ rips

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justinh:

I've heard rips done as fast as possible & they were er.. clicky

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grokky:

I found mythmusic rips troublesome also. My windows box cd drive is a bit dodgy and I couldn't be bothered using the mbpro for it. So I think I'll use the myth box and, yes, something with cdparanoia.

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grokky:

I only want to do this once.

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/image5557.png

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gbee:

guess given the lack of any reaction to this new theme that it's not really worth pursuing

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grokky:

gbee: I quite like it actually. esp the recordings screen.

[10:27:43]

gbee:

there is a certain naivety to it, a simplicity to the images which makes it look a little naff but I just can't see how I'd improve it without affecting the overall clean feel (needs someone with real artistic talent)

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justinh:

bah. still haven't tagged everything yet

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justinh:

gbee: I much prefer Terra, fwiw

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jduggan:

screenshots of terra? :)

[10:37:20]

jduggan:

ah

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gbee:

not abandoning Terra, just need a few more themes to vent some ideas on :)

[10:37:21]

jduggan:

got it

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justinh:

is it Friday yet?

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justinh:

:(

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gbee:

yes justinh, it's Friday

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jduggan:

lol

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justinh:

ah shite, now I've lost all my diffs

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justinh:

only means less cruft in mythtv ultimately

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justinh:

"Please, someone, fix this bug or at least propose a work-around. If this were a commercial product I'd already have returned it!

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justinh:

heh

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mag0o:

it's nice to know that someone reads *all* of the emails that go to the list :)

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justinh:

don't think anybody reals _all_ the mailing list emails

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mag0o:

i think im up too early

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justinh:

nobody has that much time on their hands

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mag0o:

yeah, my emphasis would have been better on someone

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mag0o:

than all

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mag0o:

well, since its slow in here, i guess now's a good time for idle chatter

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mag0o:

i had a fe disk die the other day, so i decided to give mythbuntu a try, and i must say its nice

[12:47:28]

mag0o:

i've been using mythtv + slackware since .17 and mythbuntu was a welcome piece of cake

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justinh:

it's better than a poke in the eye with a pitchfork for sure

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mag0o:

heh

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mag0o:

i think i frustrated myself trying to rebuild it this time by actually using slapt-get and someone elses packages, instead of doing my own...laziness gets ya every time

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AndyCap:

justinh: and if it was free he would already have his refund. :)

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justinh:

that didn't go down well. guy emailed me to ask what he'd need to configure a unit I succeeded in doing last week. ths shopping list of potions, goat & virgin upset somebody

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mag0o:

HAHA

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mag0o:

doh

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mag0o:

someone should create a new keyboard layout where the caps key is inbetween the esc and f1 keys

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mag0o:

caps lock key that is

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Huijari:

caps lock is handy as Mod4 <3

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justinh:

oh dear. can't log into my ebay, haven't changed the password... and I'm not getting emails about resetting my password.

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thebishop:

hello, does anyone have experience with the Sony STR-DG720 receiver. I'm not getting any sound out of my receiver when I plug my Myth box in via HDMI. I thought it was the PC, but now I'm thinking the receiver needs a constant PCM stream

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keith4:

what makes you think your PC is putting audio out over HDMI?

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thebishop:

keith4, i don't know for sure

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keith4:

because one of my frontends has on-board HDMI, and it's video-only afaik

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[Peter]:

thebishop: what graphics card do you have?

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thebishop:

keith4, well, I tried onboard and even though the manual says it does Video+Audio, my receiver only gets video. But I'm mainly using a PCI-e Nvidia 9800GT.

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justinh:

and er... did you connect the graphics card to your soundcard's spdif ?

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thebishop:

the 9800GT came with a 2-wire cable that's supposed to connect to the motherboard's internal SPDIF pins. Except my board doesn't have those pins. So I took a coax RCA cable, cut off the end, and spliced the bare wires with the cable included with the GPU

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[Peter]:

thebishop: have you unmuted the IEC958 mixer switch?

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thebishop:

so assuming the SPDIF pins carry the same signal as the coax, this should work

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justinh:

taking care to make sure you got the signals the right way... I hope

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justinh:

spdif from coax sockets is generally 1V pk-pk

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thebishop:

[Peter], yeah, my receiver can get audio from a normal coax cable

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justinh:

spdif on those headers is likely 5V

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thebishop:

justinh, that makes sense if true

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justinh:

consumer spdif is 1V pk-pk, that much IS true

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justinh:

and PC audio output jacks are generally consumer level

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thebishop:

justinh, is spdif over hdmi spec'd for 1V? I'm guessing the GPU doesn't do much of anything with the signal coming over those 2 pins

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justinh:

your motherboard manual should say what level the spdif header offers

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[Peter]:

justinh: he doesn't use the spdif header

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thebishop:

justinh, that's the problem, my board doesn't have that header

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justinh:

ah

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[Peter]:

justinh: he has connected the external coax out to the gfx board pins

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justinh:

ah yeah sorry forgot that bit

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justinh:

well, it's likely incompatible voltage levels then

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thebishop:

justinh, it certainly could be

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thebishop:

justinh, but i'm thinking whatever comes off that header normally should be the same as the HDMI spec. I think the GPU just has the 2 pins wired directly to the hdmi out

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[Peter]:

sinec the motherboard pins are often used for front panel ports you'd assume they are the same

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thebishop:

[Peter], yep. that's what makes me think it's my receiver as opposed to bad wiring/assumptions on my part

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[Peter]:

thebishop: have you tried switching the pins?

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thebishop:

[Peter], yeah, like 20 times

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thebishop:

:(

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[Peter]:

thebishop: ok, have you verified that the cable is wired correctly with a multimeter?

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justinh:

course, nobody is thinking that front/back panel cables could be more than just straight through....

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thebishop:

justinh, they could be, but usually front panels are pretty dumb

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justinh:

there is NO usually

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justinh:

usually stuff just works, except when it doesn't

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justinh:

yada yada

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justinh:

YMMV

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thebishop:

justinh, i've never encountered a front panel with anything interesting to say

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justinh:

bet yer life your spdif output over the coax socket is 1V pk-pk

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thebishop:

[Peter], no, I haven't. My multimeter needs a fuse...

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justinh:

and the internal connections are known to be 1V or 5V

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justinh:

looking likely

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thebishop:

justinh, i don't know one way or the other. the question then is: Does Spdif over hdmi require 5V?

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justinh:

without a scope there's no way to know

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justinh:

that would rather depend on the card wouldn't it?

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thebishop:

if it is 1V like you say, how do you know that's not what it's supposed to be

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thebishop:

justinh, it might depend on the card, but since the drivers don't process the audio in any way, i'm guessing it's purely a hardware connection

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gbee:

thebishop: what's the onboard GPU?

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thebishop:

gbee, Nvidia 9400 I think

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thebishop:

gbee, i don't get audio over that either

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thebishop:

even though the manual says I should

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[Peter]:

that is probably another ALSA device

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gbee:

yeah, I was just wondering if there was some configuration related fix for the onboard

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thebishop:

[Peter], yeah, that's possible come to think of it

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gbee:

or usage

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justinh:

it might be 1V compatible. maybe most spdif headers offer 1V pk-pk as standard these days

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[Peter]:

thebishop: try aplay -l

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thebishop:

[Peter], i'm at work right now, i'll check that out at home

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gbee:

less fiddly to get the onboard working than splicing cables etc

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thebishop:

gbee, yeah, but i'm not going to be using the onboard anyway

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thebishop:

it's either: get it working with the dedicated GPU, or use 2 cables

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gbee:

no?

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[Peter]:

I think the onboard 9400 needs at least kernel 2.6.28 or homebuilt alsa to get HDMI audio to work

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thebishop:

[Peter], it's ubuntu 2.6.27, so that could explain the onboard not working

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thebishop:

i'm not too concerned about the onboard except as a way to troubleshoot the receiver. even if it works, it doesn't really help me

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justinh:

seen a cable for some MSI nvidia card & they supply 2 cables. one header-header for spdif, and another coax to header cable

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[Peter]:

yeah, when I think about it my gfx card has a coax connector in the back that's connected to the header pins on the board. but I replaced that with a suppled cable that goes to the motherboard instead

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[Peter]:

and the coax connector looked like there was no other electronics in it, just the connector

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justinh:

last board I messed with could be configured for 5V or 1V pk-pk

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justinh:

maybe they stopped all that crap

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thebishop:

so it sounds like you're saying my coax to GPU hack should work

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justinh:

saying it _could_ work :)

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justinh:

not 'should'

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thebishop:

heh

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[Peter]:

thebishop: I'd try to verify the cable if I were you

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thebishop:

[Peter], verify the cable? it's 2 wires, going to the GPU. i know the wires coming off the coax work because i can take them and touch them to a coax cable connected to the receiver and get sound

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justinh:

does the coax output still work?

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thebishop:

justinh, yes, coax as god intended works properly

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[Peter]:

thebishop: yeah, verify that your connector is soldered properly

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thebishop:

[Peter], i'll get my multimeter working this evening, but really there's no a lot of space for it to go wrong. i'm pretty sure i've wired it properly

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[Peter]:

it sounds odd that the receiver would crap out because there isn't signal all the time

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justinh:

there's a 50% chance of it being wrong

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justinh:

:)

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thebishop:

justinh, i've tried it both ways at least 10 times apiece

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justinh:

my receiver just says DIN Unlock when there's not a valid signal

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[Peter]:

you'd think that it would have a hard time coping with sources that switches signal type as well then

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justinh:

no crapping out

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thebishop:

[Peter], it's possible the receiver demands LPCM over HDMI

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thebishop:

which brings us full circle

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[Peter]:

thebishop: really? never heard of that.

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thebishop:

[Peter], I can't say for sure. but i don't have much else to go on

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justinh:

doesn't HDMI support all kinds of audio from ac3 stereo up?

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thebishop:

justinh, yeah

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justinh:

so it should be fine with whatever

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thebishop:

yeah, i think so to

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thebishop:

but i'm kind of out of ideas

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justinh:

you have too many unknowns

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justinh:

eliminate some

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thebishop:

justinh, i would just get a PCI sound card with spdif headers if i knew for sure the receiver work handle it

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thebishop:

*would

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thebishop:

shame the board has so many built-in features i'm just not using

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justinh:

I hope this mess has calmed down before I dip my toe in the HD waters

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justinh:

what'd be so wrong with just outputting spdif to the receiver anyway?

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thebishop:

justinh, besides just being uncool, my receiver won't actually allow other audio sources from HDMI inputs. I found a work around which is to select the coax input marked "TV", and it will keep whatever was the last video selected

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thebishop:

which works, but it means i have to select the video source and then TV, which is kind of lame

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justinh:

bit of a lame amp that won't let you remap inputs IMHO

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justinh:

but then I don't use my amp for video switching yet

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thebishop:

justinh, it was the first amp under $300 that actually processed HDMI audio, which is the reason i bough it. works great with the PS3

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justinh:

just when you thought 6 speakers was enough

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justinh:

then when you thought 20 speakers was enough....

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justinh:

then when you thought 200 speakers was enough....

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thebishop:

ugh.. the cheapest PCI sound card that has spdif headers on newegg costs more than the motherboard...

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gbee:

so the backdrop from those screenshots was borrowed from a wallpaper site, the idea being that I'd eventually make my own ... discovered I have zero talent for it though :(

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gbee:

really like the backdrop I've got, the colours etc just can't reproduce it

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justinh:

backgrounds are tricky

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justinh:

hometime!

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ivor_:

slacker

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erbz:

how do I tell myth that I'm connecting directly into a cable box via s-video?

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erbz:

in the capture card setup section I don't see anything like that

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RyeBrye:

tuner setup

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RyeBrye:

myth doesn't care what you are connecting it to – it just cares what the data source is for it, and how the channels get changed. So you will have to tell it o use a cable lineup and tell it how you want it to change the channels (i.e. with an IR blaster)

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erbz:

where do I find the tuner setup options

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RyeBrye:

gbee: what backdrop are you trying to reproduce?

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RyeBrye:

erbz: I don't know – somewhere in mythtv-setup

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erbz:

under the video source screen i see options for scanning

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erbz:

scan type, frequency table, modulation

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erbz:

changing any of that doesn't do anything though

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RyeBrye:

waht input on the card are you telling it to use?

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RyeBrye:

my pvr-500 has composite inputs I would tell it to use in that case

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erbz:

it seems to list just DVBInput

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erbz:

and won't allow me to change it

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RyeBrye:

delete the card and re-add it

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RyeBrye:

when you add it does it let you pick?

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erbz:

no =/

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gbee:

RyeBrye: something very similar to this – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/image5555.png

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erbz:

http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cardtypeww8.jpg

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erbz:

thats all I get

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erbz:

I click finish and thats it

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gbee:

despite what I said earlier, I've found a promising source photo to try

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erbz:

I can change the dvb device number to 1 to add the second tuner on the card

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RyeBrye:

gbee: you want blurred translucent blades of grass with some shape overlays? what aspect do you want to reproduce?

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RyeBrye:

If it wasn't the middle of the winter, I could take a few photos and make a background up for you – but there isn't any grass to photograph here now :(

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RyeBrye:

at least not live grass

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mag0o:

hehe, you could do brown grass for an ubuntu theme

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RyeBrye:

:)

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erbz:

it's snowed so much here in boston that the snow never got a chance to brown

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erbz:

just been buried under a layer of snow for months

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gbee:

RyeBrye: same problem, I've got some images of my own but they are all the wrong shade

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RyeBrye:

wrong hue or wrong lighting?

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gbee:

hue, that backdrop is more lime

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gbee:

maybe – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/image5558.png

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erbz:

i like that layout

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gbee:

royalty free source for that one – http://www.imageafter.com/image.php?image=b1leavy001.jpg

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gbee:

don't actually have any grass in my own photo collection, I was trying to make it work with some fern images

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RyeBrye:

gbee – http://ryebrye.com/files/542378377_64d56a782d_o_mod.png <-- file is uploading now... will be done in 3 minutes... It's blades of grass I modified to match the colors of the background of your old one

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eeeDann:

maybe someone could please point me in the right direction

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eeeDann:

mythbuntu 8.04 running fine for months

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eeeDann:

this morning, the audio sounds like chipmunks on live and recorded tv playback

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eeeDann:

music and videos are find

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eeeDann:

I think someone's little fingers hit something on the keyboard

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gbee:

RyeBrye: nice, thanks

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gbee:

just don't take it the wrong way if I go with my leaf because I'm really starting to like it :)

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gbee:

but I'll make the decision once I've got yours scaled and into position

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RyeBrye:

Np. I didn't put much effort into it :) (I just adjusted the colors)

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gbee:

hmm, it's hard, the grass looks great

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gbee:

maybe I should just offer a choice of backdrops :)

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/image5559.png

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RyeBrye:

gbee: here's your leaf with the colors tweaked to match your original http://ryebrye.com/files/b1leavy001_color.jpg

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/image5560.png

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gbee:

thanks :)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, So what were your thoughts on HD Simpsons?

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jams:

Moving data around never goes as fast as it should.

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jams:

Really should make consumer level harddrives that work as fast as Enterprise SANs.

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justinh:

ivor_: slacker my eye. my flexi is on a level now :)

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wagnerrp:

a... single drive... run as fast as a SAN?

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iamlindoro:

echidna circumspect ocean noise linkage?

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iamlindoro:

lorem ipsum?

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gbee:

drive speeds, or more accurately transfer speed is the biggest problem of the moment, we've drives that can hold 10x the data of 5 years ago but the speeds haven't budged significantly

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justinh:

and in other news, all my diffs have indeed gone AWOL. oh well. not going back there again

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Is that to say we shouldn't expect your buttonsize patch soonish?

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justinh:

indeed

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eeeDann:

hmmmm.. alright removing the check to use video as timebase seemed to fix the problem

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gbee:

doubt mechanical drives will be the answer, we're at the limits already

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RyeBrye:

gbee: http://ryebrye.com/files/image5555_color3.png shows your first snapshot with a slightly tweaked color scheme for the buttons – (just shifting them so they are slightly more blueish)

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jams:

Only transferring 70GB, but still that just doesn't happen in a minute or two.

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jams:

At least not on these drives

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justinh:

iamlindoro: tell you the truth I can't get my head around the simplest of concepts anyway. it's all way over my head

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iamlindoro:

justinh, That's never stopped me ;)

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iamlindoro:

Seemed like you had a good handle on it

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justinh:

then I ran into a problem beyond my learnins

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justinh:

way beyond it

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justinh:

wonder if I put a diff on my webspace

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justinh:

hmmm. buttonlist.diff dated 5th of this month. might be better than starting again

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JEDIDIAH___:

hullo all...

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JEDIDIAH___:

is mythvideo broken in trunk presently? It seems that way.

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iamlindoro:

works for me

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justinh:

anyway, what's 'broken' ?

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JEDIDIAH___:

it can't seem to find any of the files in videometadata, and won't browse them either.

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justinh:

iamlindoro: the diff I found isn't the latest changes I made – it'd only do selected items & regular ones.. no size changing

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JEDIDIAH___:

I'll poke around with it later in a VM.

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JEDIDIAH___:

it looks like a new UI and if I need to figure everything out again I need to do that before the wife gets to it.

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gbee:

videometadata?

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justinh:

that might've been brought about by the mythvideo storage group stuff. if you'd been following -commits & -dev maybe you'd know ;)

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iamlindoro:

the SG stuff will still work with the old local setting

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justinh:

cool

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iamlindoro:

it takes honest to goodness work to break the existing stuff

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justinh:

I've not built trunk for er.. oo about 10 days now

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iamlindoro:

It checks to see if there's a value in the host field, and if it's null, just treats it like ever before

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justinh:

actually probably longer, since I last did an svn up at least a fortnight ago

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JEDIDIAH___:

that timezone check is annoying too.

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JEDIDIAH___:

I checked it out saturday.

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gbee:

timezone check is there for your own safety

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gbee:

if you actually see it then it means you've got problems

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gbee:

iamlindoro: trailer browsing isn't implemented yet?

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JEDIDIAH___:

...no not really. It just means that myth has decided to get hung up on minutia.

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Nope

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gbee:

JEDIDIAH__: wouldn't be there if it wasn't needed

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gbee:

iamlindoro: just checking :)

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iamlindoro:

gbee, TBH I have like 5 patches pending and if I add any more on top of it keeping track of them will make my head explode

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JEDIDIAH___:

it wasn't there before and the world didn't come to an end.

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gbee:

JEDIDIAH__: err, for a lot of users it did

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gbee:

iamlindoro: sure, I know where you are coming from

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Once a few of them get committed I'll submit something for that

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iamlindoro:

SGs add a layer of complexity too

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JEDIDIAH___:

having time in sync seems to be more important than some file in /etc

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iamlindoro:

I don't want to add browsing without also adding SGs for trailers (which I have working here, just not the Filebrowser part of it)

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gbee:

we need video playlists, I might just spend a few minutes on that, borrowing heavily from PBB because a) it's easier b) continuity

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gbee:

ok, JEDIDIAH__ has now completely lost me

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JEDIDIAH___:

either way, it will be added to the list of things to annoy new users when they build their first remote frontend.

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iamlindoro:

Oh no, not the *list*!

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iamlindoro:

If this were a real product I would have returned it already!

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jams:

gbee- i think he is complaining that it fails because it checks the timezone name vs the GMT offset

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justinh:

JEDIDIAH___: time differences between frontend & backend always caused problems

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gbee:

JEDIDIAH__: better them than us being inundated with support requests because of time sync related issues

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justinh:

big ones.. like seektables being worthless etc

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dougl:

I have followed "http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . NSTALL" to configure mythweb on my backend ubuntu 8.04 box but " /etc/init.d/apache2 start" = "Syntax error on line 129 of /etc/apache2/conf.d/mythweb.conf:

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dougl:

Invalid command 'RewriteEngine', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration"

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JEDIDIAH___:

...thus suggesting that they run NTP.

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justinh:

dougl: that last bit :)

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justinh:

you need the rewrite module enabled

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gbee:

when have newbies ever read the manual?

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justinh:

dougl: create a symlink to it in etc/apache2/modules_enabled

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JEDIDIAH___:

checking the GMT offset would avoid false positives

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gbee:

sorry, but in the real world you have to spoon feed a lot of people, yes it's annoying for the rest of us but what can we do?

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justinh:

oops. /etc/apache2/mods-enabled

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JEDIDIAH___:

the rest in Arizona can fend for themselves... '-)

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gbee:

JEDIDIAH__: I'll suggest that to sphery

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justinh:

to make things go the way you'd like, it's best to be in the meeting. If you weren't in the meeting... oof

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gbee:

I really don't know why in this day and age that distros don't install and run NTPd by default

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dougl:

justdave, ln -s whatfile? /etc/apache2/mods-enabled

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dougl:

justinh, , ln -s whatfile? /etc/apache2/mods-enabled

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JEDIDIAH___:

the problem is that the information that is being checked isn't really "normal".

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justinh:

dougl: well, which one looks like _rewrite_ ?

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justinh:

dougl: out of all the ones in /etc/apache2/mods-available ... ;)

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dougl:

justinh, hmm, looking

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Gumby`:

I've configured mythtv with "./configure --enable-opengl-vsync --enable-vdpau" and when running make am getting the error "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lvdpau". I'm running nvidia drivers x86–180.27. Did I miss something somewhere?

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dougl:

justinh, there is a rewrite.load – trying that one

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justinh:

course you need to restart apache after making the symlink.. then you might find you've neglected to do something else

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RyeBrye:

Gumby`: try with 180.29

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Gumby`:

RyeBrye, I just did (just am). Previously to that I noticed that the libs in /usr/lib for nvidia were 180.22 and not 180.27 as I thought I had installed. Strange. Compiling went well this time

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dougl:

justinh, got is all – including the stuff I neglected – lol ... thanks

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mersault:

Hello, the video card just fried in my frontend, and it's a stat holiday here in Ontario, so I can't replace it today. Is UPnP to the PS3 working right now? I was kinda planning on having a battlestar galactica marathon later today with some friends...

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iamlindoro:

Snape kills Dumbledore!

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iamlindoro:

Wait, wrong spoiler

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iamlindoro:

Darth Vader is Luke's father!

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iamlindoro:

Wait

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iamlindoro:

Admiral Adama is Lee's father!

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iamlindoro:

There, saved you some time

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mersault:

thanks for the assistance there

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mersault:

will you come over to my place later tonight and re-enact the last 5 episodes for us?

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iamlindoro:

Sure! I'll look moody, swill some scotch about, then cry and throw my glass against the wall before turning your desk over

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iamlindoro:

Then a timpani will pound a few times and we'll turn out the lights and it'll fade to credits

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mersault:

I have a dimmer we can use for the fade out to black

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mersault:

but seriously, UPnP and PS3? Last I tried it gave me an error, but I didn't play with it much at the time.

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, PS3 uPnp is functional, but the PS3 is a bit rude about what it will accept via uPnp

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iamlindoro:

(although better than the 360 by far)

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mersault:

right now I'm cleaning out the scored marks in the area where to capacitors exploded.

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iamlindoro:

I'd give it a shot first and figure out if you're going to need a transcode or a different container format

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mersault:

90 day warrenty, 100 day old video card

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mersault:

figured

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mersault:

they're h264 and .mkv

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iamlindoro:

PS3 won't take matroska TTBOMK

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mersault:

frak

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iamlindoro:

frell

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mag0o:

well, at least now i feel better

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mersault:

now, last time I tried it wouldn't even give a file list I don't think

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mag0o:

last time i tried hooking up my new 1tb drive, it blew up

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mersault:

goddamn it smells bad in here

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mag0o:

i just reconnected the rma'd drive and it did the same, so now at least i know its somethign wrong with the power supply

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mersault:

best part of it: it took out all the PSU cables as well

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mag0o:

smells like magic smoke here

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iamlindoro:

The new Doctor Who looks... angular

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GreyFoxx:

look real hard, and imagine him with green skin and bolts in his neck

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iamlindoro:

I could see it

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mag0o:

same stinkin component blew on this hitachi, any other sata drive hooked up does fine

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mag0o:

grr

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mag0o:

at least the newegg rep said they'll cover me shipping it back this time

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mersault:

alright, what formats does ps3 support?

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iamlindoro:

nobody would be able to list off the top of their head, it's surely posted somewhere by Sony

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iamlindoro:

but more or less, "h.264 and AAC in MP4 containers, and some other stuff"

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mersault:

okay, the files I have are h264 and AC3

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mersault:

seems likely that the PS3 should do AC3

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mersault:

so I just need to do a container conversion to mp4

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mersault:

goddamnit, everyone links to an ubuntuforums thread, but ubuntuforums is down for maintenance

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mersault:

*sigh*

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laga:

google cache?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Did you see our order of Dolhouse airing is 1x02, 1x04, 1x05?

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unimaginative:

woot, finally.

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mag0o:

sure you dont mean cathouse? :)

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iamlindoro:

pretty sure

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unimaginative:

It seems Samsung has LOTS of discrete remote codes, thanks iamlindoro

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unimaginative:

I've found 5 so far that suit my needs perfectly

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iamlindoro:

unimaginative, Glad to hear it, you are welcome

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unimaginative:

I'm thinking about submitting a new lircd.conf to the lirc project.

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unimaginative:

I would like to use the samsung remote for a mythtv remote control. However, there's no way I've found to get the TV to stop responding to it.. Is there soem way to change the carrier stuff on the remote itself?

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unimaginative:

I *could* put some tape over the TV, but it's a brand new TV and that would be ugly :)

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Jared5552:

unimaginative, you could open the tv and put the tape on the inside ;)

[19:53:56]

Jared5552:

actually some remotes have a function (whether by jumper or a programming setting) to switch between multiple codes for people with multiple conflicting devices nearby

[19:53:58]

unimaginative:

Jared5552, I've thought of that, also, but this tv is a week old, I'm not ready for that hardcore hacking..

[19:54:14]

unimaginative:

Jared5552, even OEM remotes?

[19:54:44]

Jared5552:

I know my onkyo remote, remote for my cable box, and my parent's satellite receiver remote all have that functionality

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unimaginative:

Jared5552, and it's a jumper that's most likely inside the remote?

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Jared5552:

the onkyo remote it is similar to programming any other device (just different buttons), my parent's satellite receiver is similar, the cable box has a set of jumpers just under the battery panel

[19:57:29]

Jared5552:

none of the remotes I have had with that feature require taking the remote apart

[19:58:03]

unimaginative:

hmm, I'll have to check.

[19:58:19]

Jared5552:

a tv is a little less likely to have that feature probably..... stereo receivers/satellite boxes there is a much greater chance of having multiple conflicting devices (receiver + amps or multiple sat boxes)

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unimaginative:

Now that I have the scripts with the discrete commands.. I still need to get my stupid remote to cycle through the scripts

[19:58:47]

Jared5552:

in any case, check the manual in the area telling you how to program the remote

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unimaginative:

I guess I could use nc to figure out the current status of the frontend, and if it's playing something, then turn off, else turn on

[20:00:19]

unimaginative:

It's still kinda dumb though.

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mersault:

is there a way to trigger a video scan from the command line?

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mersault:

my frontend died this morning, and I want to rescan the video dir so that UPnP picks up new files

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EvilGuru:

Hmm, for some reason when I run mythfilldatabase I get: Bad channel entry seen in RT channels.dat: at /usr/bin/tv_grab_uk_rt line 490. Unsure where RT channels.dat comes from (i.e., can I get it to re-fetch it?)

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cva:

I have a PVR350 connected to a directv receiver. I'm using the S-video in and audio in, but I am only getting mono sound, just one channel. I've replaced the audio cable and verified that it is good. Is there an option I need to set when the module is loaded to enable stereo sound?

[20:36:42]

mersault:

anyone here use FAAC to convert files before?

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bagpuss_thecat:

EvilGuru: I get the same error, and have no idea. I've given up with mythfilldatabase

[20:38:11]

EvilGuru:

Temp problem I guess

[20:39:02]

** bagpuss_thecat sighs as mythbackend blows up mysql again **

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bagpuss_thecat:

I'd be better off using Windows Media Center at this rate

[20:40:21]

bagpuss_thecat:

QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query

[20:40:21]

bagpuss_thecat:

Database error was:

[20:40:21]

bagpuss_thecat:

You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ':FOURHOURSAGO' at line 1

[20:40:25]

bagpuss_thecat:

222yyyy-22MM-22dd 22hh:22mm:22ss.22zzz decodeLongLong() called with the iterator too close to the end of the list.

[20:40:40]

** bagpuss_thecat suspects it's some form of stored procedure fuckup **

[20:42:27]

iamlindoro:

Probably want to not swear in here

[20:42:41]

bagpuss_thecat:

fair point

[20:43:04]

bagpuss_thecat:

or was that in relation to the Windows Media Center comment?

[20:43:09]

jduggan:

both

[20:43:11]

jduggan:

:o

[20:44:18]

iamlindoro:

MCE comments don't bother me-- maybe of us salty folks would rather people use it :)

[20:44:22]

EvilGuru:

iamlindoro: No swearing in #mythtv-users, ouch, when did we get invaded by 12 year olds

[20:44:55]

iamlindoro:

EvilGuru, TTBOMK It's always been the rule (and I don't exempt myself, I have been scolded for it myself)

[20:45:23]

iamlindoro:

and generally tends to be enforced with kicks/bans, so trying to save some irritation on everyone's part

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iamlindoro:

s/maybe/many/

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bagpuss_thecat:

it seems to be fairly well covered in http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /227431.html

[20:50:42]

bagpuss_thecat:

so quite possibly the EIT/EPG component tripping up

[20:51:39]

jduggan:

TTOMBK?

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iamlindoro:

To The Best Of My Knowledge

[20:53:12]

jduggan:

ahha

[20:53:13]

jduggan:

kk

[20:56:16]

RyeBrye:

My friend is a self described MCE fanboy. He will nag me on occasion to switch – to which my constant reply is "once it flags and skips commercials for me, I'll consider it"

[20:56:35]

gbee:

bagpuss_thecat: it's not mythtv, could well be a dodgy QT mysql driver package though, personally I've never seen that issue, or a report of that issue, so it's rare

[20:57:00]

gbee:

RyeBrye: he offering to buy it for you?

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RyeBrye:

gbee: we both have a friend who works for MS that could get it for me relatively cheaply – ($50 or something) – but no amount of eye candy can make up for the loss of comflagging

[20:58:22]

iamlindoro:

Ther's third party stuff to do it

[20:58:24]

iamlindoro:

er There's

[20:58:58]

iamlindoro:

But having control over where my video goes and the format it's in trumps most basic features

[21:00:08]

joe2371:

Audio and video are in sync during playback, but playback seems to be too fast on the FE. I get prebuffering pauses and corresponding hiccups in playback on the FE when, I assume, the buffer is empty because data is read out faster than it is written in. But the resultant MPEG seems fine when played in an external player. The problem only affects watching video (live) from one source, but not when I watch content captured by ano

[21:00:16]

iamlindoro:

and Myth as of .22 (and with a few themes written for it) will put MCE "eye candy" to shame

[21:00:20]

bagpuss_thecat:

gbee: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /227778.html would say otherwise though

[21:01:35]

** bagpuss_thecat has loads of :SERVICEID, :NETWORKID, :NEXTREC comments littering mythbackend.log after every outage **

[21:03:27]

iamlindoro:

That response is incorrect

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iamlindoro:

You can absolutely expect to see the bind variables in the log even when the error has nothing to do with myth

[21:04:32]

iamlindoro:

if the information being passed into the query is bad, it can/will have nothing to do with myth and myth will show the bind names

[21:04:59]

bagpuss_thecat:

is it worth updating from 0.21.0+fixes16838–0ubuntu3.1 to 0.21.0+fixes18722–0ubuntu1 then? (Hardy to Intrepid)

[21:05:03]

justinh:

another bottle of Jack Daniel's earned :)

[21:05:09]

gbee:

iamlindoro: I wouldn't be so bold about claims of MCE beating looks, maybe with 0.23 we'll match it on the animation side, but I don't want to artificially raise expectations as that will just lead to disappointment and a blacklash

[21:05:30]

iamlindoro:

gbee, You're the boss

[21:05:32]

gbee:

bagpuss_thecat: that's one report out of thousands of users, there have been no bug reports that I'm aware of

[21:05:49]

iamlindoro:

I'll add a "in my opinion, having themed it over the past several months and having used both"

[21:06:02]

bagpuss_thecat:

gbee: ok, well, I'll file a bug report with Ubuntu

[21:06:10]

justinh:

wife's boss' wireless internet at home.. now secure. can hardly believe the guy she paid £70 the other week just reset the router to deffaults. i.e. default router admin & no security at all. oops

[21:06:46]

** iamlindoro wonders why rhythmbox is totally incapable of skipping in mp3s **

[21:06:55]

gbee:

'Tom' isn't exactly right, it doesn't appear to be a mysql problem but it's not a mythtv one either, looks more like a QT bug

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AlNahar:

hi friends

[21:06:59]

justinh:

because it's **** ?

[21:07:17]

justinh:

!seen friends

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MythLogBot:

friends has not been seen here

[21:07:18]

bagpuss_thecat:

iamlindoro: tried Banshee?

[21:07:19]

AlNahar:

to use alsa with myth, i know i put alsa output device to ALSA:default

[21:07:27]

AlNahar:

what do i put mixer device to?

[21:07:53]

joe2371:

When I say that playback on the FE seems to fast, I mean that the audio pitch is too high but that the video is also in sync. I wonder if the playback sample rate differs from that at capture, but that mythtv's internal player is dropping frames to keep the video in sync with the audio. That might explain the prebuffering pauses for the suspected reason I cited above.

[21:07:53]

justinh:

whatever alsa's mixer is called :)

[21:08:12]

iamlindoro:

bagpuss_thecat, No, I haven't... good?

[21:08:21]

AlNahar:

man, i had a website for this a while back

[21:08:23]

AlNahar:

but now i cant find it

[21:08:29]

justinh:

joe2371: framegrabber capture card(s)? 32khz sample rate in the recording profiles.... heh

[21:08:38]

joe2371:

I can fix the pauses by reducing the playback rate, but that doesn't fix the high-pitched audio.

[21:08:39]

bagpuss_thecat:

iamlindoro: yeah, it's seems to be quite capable

[21:08:45]

iamlindoro:

Neat, I'll check it out

[21:08:59]

gbee:

iamlindoro: granted I've never used MCE or even looked too closely at screenshots – intentionally I might add, I've avoided looking at any other media application

[21:08:59]

justinh:

joe2371: try setting the recording profiles to use a different audio sampling rate

[21:09:25]

justinh:

MCE is nice to configure if it ends up working from their silly wizards

[21:09:29]

joe2371:

justinh: It's a roslyn blackbird. I'm capturing from the mpeg encoder. And the recording profile audio sampling rate cannot be changed.

[21:09:31]

justinh:

but if not, oh dear

[21:09:32]

AlNahar:

MAN

[21:09:36]

AlNahar:

what am i doing wrong here?

[21:09:42]

AlNahar:

when i change volume in myth it's not doing anything

[21:09:43]

justinh:

joe2371: whoops

[21:09:48]

gbee:

AlNahar: ALSA:default for the mixer

[21:10:04]

AlNahar:

k

[21:10:18]

iamlindoro:

gbee, Setting animation aside (Which I admittedly hadn't been thinking about) Myth is (IMO*YMMV*IMHO) far far far more flexible

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[21:10:51]

justinh:

iamlindoro: that and their new cross based menus are arse

[21:10:51]

gbee:

hmm, does the blackbird truely not have configurable audio/video bitrate? Crappy as a PVR clone if it doesn't

[21:12:14]

joe2371:

Wait, I wonder... I had to add '.audioroute=1' to the cx88 driver for my card to get audio from the mpeg. Perhaps this is the framegrabber audio at the wrong rate? I'll try a different value.

[21:12:22]

justinh:

bah. looking at my hackish code & I'm lost again

[21:12:29]

** gbee considers opening the Jamaican Blue Mountain coffee that he was given the other day **

[21:12:35]

justinh:

joe2371: shouldn't be in framegrabber mode

[21:13:04]

gbee:

justinh: thought you'd lost the diffs?

[21:13:13]

justinh:

gbee: I thought I had

[21:13:25]

justinh:

I have way too much crud stashed in all kinds of places

[21:13:30]

gbee:

well for f**ks sake, back them up this time

[21:13:43]

gbee:

:p

[21:13:45]

iamlindoro:

justinh, Haven't seen the new stuff

[21:14:01]

justinh:

I backed up the big one to my webspace but hadn't got round to uploading the new one since it wasn't working

[21:14:25]

iamlindoro:

Didn't the blackbird cards have a *ton* of really nasty caveats?

[21:14:42]

justinh:

when I booted into linux to work out a router problem at my wife's boss' house, I saw a dir on my desktop. (blush)

[21:19:16]

unimaginative:

Anyone usng the Comcast DVR remote to control mythfrontend?

[21:21:34]

justinh:

anybody who was able to learn it with their IR receiver :)

[21:22:00]

unimaginative:

justinh, that was another of my concerns :)

[21:22:39]

gbee:

assuming it operates on a standard remote IR frequency, no reason why it shouldn't be possible

[21:22:39]

bagpuss_thecat:

gbee: there you go :-) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/330272

[21:22:54]

iamlindoro:

It is possible (I personally wouldn't want to do it, but..."

[21:22:55]

unimaginative:

gbee, it's a JP1 remote, if that means anything.

[21:22:56]

iamlindoro:

)

[21:23:09]

justinh:

well, some IR receivers are bound to only one code set

[21:23:18]

justinh:

what are you using as a receiver?

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iamlindoro:

http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/motorola/

[21:25:14]

injector:

does anyone know if mythvodka runs from the backend or from the frontend?

[21:25:25]

justinh:

on the frontend

[21:25:39]

injector:

sweet thanks

[21:25:59]

justinh:

plugins run on the frontend.. other than mythweb which isn't really a plugin in the standard sense ;)

[21:26:10]

unimaginative:

iamlindoro, apparently the remotes are made by Universal Electronics, not Motorola. I can't find the particular remote on lirc's remote list.

[21:26:38]

iamlindoro:

unimaginative, They're in the motorola folder, several of the remotes there correspond to the one you are speaking of

[21:26:50]

justinh:

unimaginative: no matter. you need the config file for that remote, or the ability to learn on the receiver you ise

[21:26:51]

unimaginative:

oh, really I'll check it out.

[21:26:54]

justinh:

*use

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iamlindoro:

unimaginative, They've used the same remote for all boxes for ages. Although most of them are only half-complete buttonwise-- I would do as justinh suggests and just record your own

[21:28:15]

iamlindoro:

I had a full conf file for that remote a while back but realized how much I hate it

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unimaginative:

I just wish I knew someone locally that had the remote to see if my reciever sees it

[21:28:58]

justinh:

ruh?

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[21:29:44]

iamlindoro:

I wouldn't go out of my way to get that remote if you don't ahve it already

[21:29:58]

gbee:

MCE Remote FTQ

[21:30:06]

gbee:

err, FTW

[21:30:11]

iamlindoro:

Totally agree

[21:30:19]

iamlindoro:

(especially the older ones with better buttons and backlight)

[21:31:06]

gbee:

new ones lack the backlight? :/

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

:(

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iamlindoro:

and buttons get a little squishy too

[21:32:12]

justinh:

mce remotes had backlights?

[21:32:15]

gbee:

aww, that sucks

[21:32:23]

iamlindoro:

yeah, they're great for a darkened room

[21:32:31]

gbee:

pretty too

[21:33:01]

gbee:

well hope I don't wear out my current remote too soon

[21:33:12]

gbee:

or spill something sticky on it

[21:33:13]

justinh:

bugger. just realised I've got albums missing from my share

[21:33:21]

iamlindoro:

I have four, three of which have backlight-- so one good one in reserve and one "meh" one

[21:34:42]

gbee:

I was thinking about getting another for my dev frontend since it's a little more portable than the wireless keyboard

[21:35:08]

iamlindoro:

I found the other day that my MCE remote will turn on/control my Xbox 360

[21:35:22]

gbee:

wonder why they got rid of the backlight

[21:35:24]

iamlindoro:

makes me somewhat confidently guess that the 360 remote is also an MCE remote

[21:35:29]

justinh:

cost savings, no doubt

[21:36:04]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote

[21:36:10]

iamlindoro:

The second, third and fourth have backlight

[21:36:24]

justinh:

still fancying a harmony at some point

[21:36:26]

iamlindoro:

the others, As far as I know, do not (although the one all the way at right might, from looking at it)

[21:36:41]

justinh:

only thing putting me off is the silly config thing

[21:36:48]

iamlindoro:

erm, and sorry, 1–4 do, not 2–4

[21:38:01]

** bagpuss_thecat is quite happy with the Hauppauge remotes from a couple of years back **

[21:38:07]

bagpuss_thecat:

no idea if they've changed recently though :-)

[21:38:22]

dustybin:

debian lenny is still yet...

[21:38:22]

dustybin:

[50604.144879] mythfilldatabas[14846]: segfault at 6c0f4d59 ip 08c9e3e1 sp b4892c67 error 4

[21:38:26]

dustybin:

*stable

[21:38:33]

dustybin:

is that the qt problem?

[21:38:38]

bagpuss_thecat:

Logitech Harmony kit looks nice though. It'd be interesting to see how well it integrates with z-wave or insteon kit

[21:38:52]

justinh:

it doesn't

[21:39:11]

gbee:

mines #2

[21:39:25]

bagpuss_thecat:

justinh: bah

[21:39:43]

justinh:

who's rich enough to have zwave ?

[21:39:56]

dustybin:

why does dmesg fill up with:

[21:39:57]

dustybin:

[32575.813263] dib0700: Unknown remote controller key: 00 00 0c f3

[21:40:18]

justinh:

dustybin: because your IR receiver is confused

[21:40:20]

bagpuss_thecat:

justinh: the price is coming down quite well actually

[21:40:23]

dustybin:

:(

[21:40:24]

iamlindoro:

jesus, you DO speak english, don't you?

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bagpuss_thecat:

http://store.homeseer.com/store/HSM100---Z-Wa . . . P438C38.aspx is $60 f'rinstance (bear in mind it's a 3 in one sensor)

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Is this what your public school system produces?

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gbee:

of the 7 models picture you really only want 2/3/4, the shape is just right, sits in my hand nicely, can't see any of the others managing that

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justinh:

we should start a campaign to get error messages reported in 256 character hex strings

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bagpuss_thecat:

other z-wave modules are around the same price as X-10 kit these days

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bagpuss_thecat:

iamlindoro: sadly, yes

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justinh:

iamlindoro: public meaning not private.. as in state-funded heh

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gbee:

5/6 remind me of the old Xbox remote

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iamlindoro:

god help you all

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gbee:

7 of my Sony TV remote which I hate

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iamlindoro:

His children will have tusks, mark my words

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justinh:

iamlindoro: could be worse. ppl spk txt spk all the tim

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bagpuss_thecat:

iamlindoro: one of many things putting me off having kids...

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iamlindoro:

bagpuss_thecat, ;)

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bagpuss_thecat:

unless I earn megabucks, and send it/her/him to private school

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justinh:

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