Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, February 14th, 2009, 00:02 UTC

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: one thing that George's code adds is normalization of the SG table... Breaks it into a table for group name/group-related info, then a table for directory (referencing group by id) and directory-related info

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: so, I'm guessing he's saying something like, "Well, now, maybe I can update and get some of the additional stuff ready for commit." (Of course, I haven't read his message, yet, so this is all assumption based on what I know of the work he promised to do a year ago.)

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iamlindoro__:

geez, could they have squeezed any more commercials into LOST this week?

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sphery:

Wasn't J.J. one of the producers who spoke out agains the new "more shorter breaks" policy the networks were trying to force on shows?

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JEDIDIAH__:

oh, so they're basically trying to change 30 or 50 years of writer expectations now?

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justinh:

hum. that site is still dead slow & I cant do my updates

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** JEDIDIAH__ shakes head **

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justinh:

streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-ike!

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justinh:

they should definitely have a strike again

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JEDIDIAH__:

I would imagine that more breaks would make stuff harder to write.

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justinh:

I don't get this about musicbrainz. I search my nuts off to find releases so I can tag albums – and I find no reference. then I go to add the damn thing with its cd toc & there it is already :-\

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sphery:

Here's the Fringe/Dollhouse approach (shorter breaks, but charge a premium for the commercials (haven't counted to see if it's more than the "standard" number of breaks, though): http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/02/13/business/13adco.php

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iamlindoro__:

it's a few more, but much less obtrustive

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iamlindoro__:

er obtrusive

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sphery:

Guess J.J. didn't complain: http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/ . . . d-glut_x.htm

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iamlindoro__:

sphery, Also helps me edit out commercials when Fringe tells me how long they'll be :)

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sphery:

turns out J.J. (and Lost) was one of the first to do the 6-break format.

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sphery:

Yeah, I love that about fringe

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sphery:

dollhouse will be the same (in 28mins)

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sphery:

Oh, wait, 1:29

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sphery:

it's a 9:01 start

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iamlindoro__:

yeah, was gonna say

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sphery:

I should move to the Atlantic time zone...

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iamlindoro__:

sphery, this bud's for you: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6259

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kormoc:

Anyone with FIOS tv and firewire capturing around?

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kormoc:

I'm assuming they send all the data over the firewire port?

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iamlindoro__:

Think j-rod has been capturing from their QIP2000 (?) Box

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iamlindoro__:

ISTR he needed to update the vendor and model ids in the firewire code, not sure if those got committed, though

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kormoc:

snaz

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kormoc:

just got mine installed, so time to play! :)

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iamlindoro__:

Think he's in #mythtv right now, too

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kormoc:

I'm gonna go buy a wifi card and a firewire card, and then I'll play, so i'll be a while

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sphery:

iamlindoro__: yeah, that's actually nothing to do with time zone check... it's a socket communication issue that means no response to the protocol version check... since that check is being done before asking for the time zone info, the time zone check (which relies on backend communication) fails, too (so the error message also mentions time zone--but it actually fails in a way that it allows startup, but the failed protocol ...

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sphery:

... check stops startup...)

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sphery:

wow, that was confusingly worded

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sphery:

still, I should change the time zone code over to use mythxml instead of mythproto (because using proto that early is "troublesome")

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Dagmar:

I have a question that must be asked.

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Dagmar:

Who the hell has a backend in one time zone and a frontend in another?

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Dagmar:

...and why can't they be expected to actually set TZ and the locale?

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sphery:

good question

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sphery:

generally, though, it's misconfiguration--they just didn't set the time zone (or didn't do so properly) on one system

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Dagmar:

Duplicating an OS function is probably a shortcut to more bug report creation

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sphery:

the whole idea of the time zone check is to fail at startup, so they /know/ something is wrong rather than continue and have some functionality fail.

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sphery:

we didn't duplicate any OS function

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sphery:

we simply check that the time zone specified on the current system is the same as that specified on the master backend

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sphery:

if not, we don't allow startup

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Dagmar:

Ah, now there's a reasonable idea

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clever:

sphery: its more then that

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clever:

sphery: my master backend clock drifted by 10mins one day, and everything refused to connect

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sphery:

really... I don't remember writing more than that

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clever:

it detected that the clock's wherent in sync and refused to do anything

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sphery:

clever: we refuse to allow startup when clocks differ by > 20mins, but we warn if they differ by > 5mins

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

i was having IRQ problems with the new sata controler

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sphery:

but, yeah, we do check that clocks are "reasonably" close

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clever:

i think it was stuck in an irq handler for abnormal lenghts of time

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clever:

causing the clock timer to lag behind

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clever:

moving the sata controler to another pci slot solved it

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sphery:

yeah, I've had my kernel panic 2x, so far, due to some SATA-related IRQ thing causing a "Clocksource tsc unstable" before the kernel died

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clever:

wasnt getting any panics

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sphery:

I'll have to try that... (one time was annoying... the 2nd time was scary)

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clever:

just alot of io timeouts and bus reseting

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clever:

turns out that drive controlers dont like irq sharing

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clever:

greedy things!

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sphery:

OK, technically, I don't know if there was a panic--my machine just stopped responding to anything, so all I had was the last message in the log file

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sphery:

Yeah, I'm considering upgrading my 2 perfectly-working backends (and, thereby, introducing new/unstable hardware) just so I can have SATA on the mobo

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clever:

but its an insane upgrade when you look at what i did

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clever:

the mobo bios cant even handle a 30gig drive

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sphery:

Yeah, I'll check that

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clever:

now its using a 1024gig drive!

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clever:

i suspect my irq problems are also the cause of the pata problems

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clever:

the sata card also has a pata bus(for a total of 3 in the system)

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sphery:

Yeah, I ran a fileserver with an 80GB HDD on a mobo whose BIOS couldn't support >2GB HDD.

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clever:

not shure how i would even use that if the bios wont detect it

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clever:

but the 3rd pata controler is fully under linux's control so thats less of a problem

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clever:

i tried using the 3rd controler with my 'external' drive and ran into the irq sharing problem

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clever:

and when i put it back in the usb enclosure, i toasted the psu for it

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sphery:

Linux doesn't use the BIOS to access HDD (because BIOS's were way too buggy, so it was easier to circumvent them than reverse engineer all the in-Windows-drivers bug workarounds), so all you need to do is have a partition that's smaller than the BIOS's limit at the beginning of the disk (I use an 8–24MB /boot partition) and lie to the BIOS about the disk geometry.

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clever:

that wouldnt do

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clever:

it wasnt even detecting the drive

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sphery:

I had one 80GB HDD in there that I booted from and the BIOS thought it was a 1GB or something

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clever:

it was like it wasnt even connected

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sphery:

hmmm... that's weird. maybe just a very buggy bios

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clever:

it was a P2 cpu

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clever:

im surprised i can pull 60mb/sec from the sata drive with such an old thing:P

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sphery:

yeah, at that stage, ATA was pretty well set, so I'm surprised there was a compatibility issue... My system had a 486 DX2/66

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sphery:

and it was fine with it

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clever:

reminds me of a floppy problem i had with an old 486

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clever:

it would refuse to boot from 90% of the bootable floppy disks

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clever:

had to use the isa based floppy controler and bypass the mobo

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clever:

made is a pain to reinstall/recover the system

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sphery:

heh, yeah, floppies were never reliable

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clever:

this was more like a buggy controler that confused the code in the boot sector

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clever:

never had that much trouble in other systems

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wagnerrp:

clever: where did you find a 1024GB drive?

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clever:

wagnerrp: at the store:P

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clever:

Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on

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clever:

media:/media/videos/1tb

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clever:

932G 456G 476G 49% /media/videos/1tb

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wagnerrp:

the store usually sells 937GB, or 1000GB drives... depending on your anality

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clever:

i think it was actualy 1000gig

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wagnerrp:

932, close enough

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clever:

or something

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clever:

its xfs i beleive

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clever:

smart gives the most acurate answer

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clever:

User Capacity: 1,000,204,886,016 bytes

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wagnerrp:

im just commenting that you wont see '1024GB' drives until flash gets up there

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clever:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

since theyre still following binary sizing

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sphery:

or {,c,s}fdisk

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clever:

9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always – 0

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clever:

its also fun to see that value at 0

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wagnerrp:

woo! expansion is complete!

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clever:

12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always – 5

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sphery:

if it's seagate, don't trust the SMART data... Your tools aren't SMART enough to understand them. (Seagate used to say that 3rd party SMART utilities wouldn't interpret their SMART data properly. They removed that FAQ because of the backlash.)

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clever:

Device Model: WDC WD10EACS-00D6B1

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Dagmar:

sphery: Might have something to do with that being either a flagrant lie, or an admission that they're not following the protocol properly.

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sphery:

yeah... and the sad part was that "used to" = Nov 2008 (last time I saw it on their site)

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wagnerrp:

now to initialize the last 125GB on each drive...

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ircmaxell:

I gotta say, Mythbuntu is pretty nice (install and setup wise)

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Jared5552:

anyone here heard of dtv link? (firewire protocol for DVRs)

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wagnerrp:

cable companies are required by law to offer firewire capable STBs

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wagnerrp:

mythtv can access digital cable over firewire

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wagnerrp:

however much of it is 5c encrypted

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Jared5552:

you responding to me?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Jared5552:

nothing to do with the cable box..... I bought a HD DVR that I figured I had about a 50/50 chance of actually using from circuit city for $10..... under the firewire ports on it (the only connections other than power) it says DTV Link

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Jared5552:

I think it is the box that they used to send looped video to a couple of tvs

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wagnerrp:

some TVs had firewire inputs, for accessing the feeds coming out of cable boxes

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Dagmar:

Jared5552: Why are you asking us about a product you bought in a store?

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Dagmar:

Read it's manual.

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if that port would be used for capturing or displaying video

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Jared5552:

read somewhere where some tvs can be connected directly to it to record

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Dagmar:

Why can't you read it's manual

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wagnerrp:

tvs cannot record video

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wagnerrp:

nor do they send video for something else to record

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iamlindoro__:

nor does it have anything remotely to do with this channel;

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wagnerrp:

ding ding!

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fuxxy:

Weird. the frontend on my new Asus p5n7A-VM(Q6600 CPU, nvidia 9300), lags and stutters when playing ONE particular channel. My laptop (C2D T8100 2.1Ghz & 8600M GT) plays just fine.

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Jared5552:

iamlindoro_, I was wondering if I could use the thing to store/playback video from mythtv box :P

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Dagmar:

fuxxy: Digital cable, right?

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iamlindoro__:

myth boxes do their own storage and playback

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iamlindoro__:

not through any other box

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wagnerrp:

Jared5552: mythtv does not interface with other DVRs

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, correct, but they're both playing back the same stream.

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Dagmar:

fuxxy: Nope. betcha the channel that stutters is using a higher bit rate for encoding.

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Dagmar:

Not all channels are created (encoded) equally when it comes to digital

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wagnerrp:

no channel should stutter on a Q6600

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wagnerrp:

not unless your hard drive cannot keep up with all youre doing

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, but this is a recording. One box plays the recording just fine, the other stutters.

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wagnerrp:

check your network throughput

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fuxxy:

wagnerrp, seperate, dedicated backend.

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fuxxy:

and the laptop is via wifi

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fuxxy:

the laptops the one playing correctly.

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fuxxy:

It's gotta have something to do with decoding, methinks. On the frontend with stuttering playback, the video plays fine in the preview box.

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wagnerrp:

are you using vdpau?

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fuxxy:

wagnerrp, no, 0.21-fixes

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iamlindoro__:

Holy different Galactica opening, Batman

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wagnerrp:

maybe, try turning off deinterlacing?

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fuxxy:

wagnerrp, I'll ry

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro_: Well, considerint they;ve killed about half the remaining humans in the last episode, it would screw with payroll if those people still appeared in the intro

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iamlindoro__:

Only killed two recurring characters, neither of who ever appeared in the opening

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fuxxy:

hmm, deinterlacing options moved.

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fuxxy:

let me check playback profiles

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Dagmar:

Ooo... Clipping the corners off 3x5 prints makes them all futury

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wagnerrp:

in the future, we will have octagonal cameras?

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Dagmar:

No, in the 80's well have octagonal cameras.

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Dagmar:

\In the _future_ we'll see how campy that is and just trim the corner off our 110 prints

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fuxxy:

wagnerrp, still stutters, even with deinterlacing disabled

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wagnerrp:

what is this a reference to?

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Dagmar:

What I said or what he said?

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wagnerrp:

the clipped corners thing

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Dagmar:

Oh, the photos in the original BSG, when you saw them, were octagonal

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fuxxy:

it just blows my mind that the *lesser* of the two PC's show the best video

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Dagmar:

The photos they were just fooling with on the new BSG looked like 3x5 prints with the corners clipped off.

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Dagmar:

fuxxy: Generally this is a sign you made a mistake buying that ATI PCIe card

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, I didn't buy an ATI card?

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fuxxy:

I'm Nvidia fanboy :)

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: integrated 9300

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Dagmar:

Okay, so you've enabled UseEvents in the xorg.conf and you're using the nVidia driver?

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro_, oh, and my board runs great now with an actively cooled NB.

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, I don't recall posting my xorg.conf.

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Dagmar:

I don't need you to post it.

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Dagmar:

Either you enabled UseEvents in the config or you didn't.

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Dagmar:

The point being, you probably should do that.

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Dagmar:

If there's some configuration error causing the stuttering due to resource starvation, it's possible that UseEvents will free up enough resources to make the symptom go away.

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fuxxy:

hmm.

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fuxxy:

I'll have to read on UseEvents then.

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Dagmar:

It's documented in the nVidia README and absolutely trivial to enable.

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Dagmar:

Even if you wear a safety helmet most of your day, it won't take you five minutes to read the docs on it. :)

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wagnerrp:

seems like something that should be enabled by default in nvidia-xconfig

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kormoc:

it's still unstable with certain setups (compiz...)

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Dagmar:

Actually, there's a command argument you can pass to nvidia-setup

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Dagmar:

or whatever the heck the tool is called they shipped to modify xorg.conf for you

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fuxxy:

UseEvents did exactly nothing to my issue.

[03:30:30]

Dagmar:

Damn

[03:30:37]

Dagmar:

Well, it's still probably freed up more resources

[03:30:44]

kormoc:

that was a really fast xorg.conf edit/restart/test

[03:30:45]

fuxxy:

and UseEvents is not enabled on the laptop either, so I didn't expect any results.

[03:30:59]

Dagmar:

*sigh* you still miss the point.

[03:31:31]

** kormoc wonders why fuxxy's desktop and laptop would have the same hardwar **

[03:31:56]

fuxxy:

kormoc, not exactly the same. Actually, the desktop's hardware is better, but it's the one with the problem.

[03:32:29]

kormoc:

So if the hardware's different, why would a configuration not being set on one indicate that it wouldn't help the other?

[03:32:46]

kormoc:

and of course, you are not running a compositing manager, I'm sure?

[03:33:19]

Dagmar:

I think he needs to post his xorg.conf now

[03:33:45]

fuxxy:

kormoc, running on top of fluxbox/blackbox

[03:34:08]

fuxxy:

Dagmar, http://rafb.net/p/r49m2044.html

[03:34:36]

kormoc:

Are you using VDPAU?

[03:34:40]

wagnerrp:

no

[03:34:45]

fuxxy:

kormoc, No. 0.21-fixes

[03:34:56]

kormoc:

Drop down to 16 bit color

[03:35:21]

Dagmar:

Not sure that would help but it can't hure

[03:35:22]

kormoc:

pastebin your xorg.log ?

[03:35:28]

Dagmar:

s/hure/hurt/;

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fuxxy:

kormoc, http://rafb.net/p/Gkg0Ax53.html

[03:36:45]

Dagmar:

The next think I could suggest is recording both one channel that WILL playback properly and the channel that doesn't for *one minute each* and then post those clips up somewhere

[03:36:58]

Dagmar:

...so that someone can try to figure out what's different between them.

[03:37:12]

Dagmar:

It's pretty much got to be the stream the provider its sending

[03:37:16]

fuxxy:

Dagmar, I can do that, but it will take just a bit longer :)

[03:37:16]

Dagmar:

s/its/is/;

[03:39:26]

fuxxy:

Dagmar, recording now

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fuxxy:

wow, those files are over 100M each

[03:42:49]

fuxxy:

for one minuite !

[03:43:20]

wagnerrp:

fuxxy: thats about right

[03:43:43]

fuxxy:

I can post them but it's gonna take a while to upload 200MB

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Dagmar:

You cuold also try to use mencoder and make it cough up the pertinent details about how each file is encoded, it's bitrate, etc

[03:46:29]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro_: try this for your scanning issue http://www.pastebin.ca/1336713

[03:50:28]

fuxxy:

I'm installing mplayer/mencoder now.. It's definatly not a CPU issue, I'm only using 15% cpu trying to play the affected file

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fuxxy:

I wonder if the issue is actually audio related.

[03:56:05]

Dagmar:

Ther'es pretty much got to be a difference between the two streams.

[03:56:10]

Dagmar:

Whatever htat difference is will give us a clue;

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Dagmar:

It could be the audio bitrate, you're right.

[03:56:31]

Dagmar:

Examining the two files should give you something to fo on

[03:56:34]

Dagmar:

s/fo on/go on/;

[03:56:41]

fuxxy:

I notice in the frontend logs complaints about audio buffer underruns, etc.

[03:57:16]

Dagmar:

Set the "enable aggressive audio buffering" thing in the frontend config then when you get a chance

[03:57:19]

Dagmar:

That might kill it

[03:58:00]

fuxxy:

2009-02–13 21:51:52.474 NVP: Video is 3.07972 frames ahead of audio,

[03:58:00]

fuxxy:

doubling video frame interval to slow down.

[04:00:27]

fuxxy:

Dagmar, enabling that option made it slightly better, but the stuttering is still there.

[04:00:36]

fuxxy:

still compiling mplayer...

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RDV_Linux:

No spoilers, but I just watched Dollhouse and was impressed. I think it started better than Fringe, Eleventh Hour ... etc (this year's crop of scfi). Fringe needs more episodes like this week's one to compete.

[04:08:22]

fuxxy:

http://rafb.net/p/JW1mCG80.html

[04:13:18]

Dagmar:

Is that the file that plays correctly or the one that doesn't?

[04:13:27]

Dagmar:

There's definitely some weird stuff in it

[04:13:30]

fuxxy:

Dagmar, that's the one that does not play

[04:13:37]

fuxxy:

I'm working on the one that does, at the moment

[04:14:30]

Dagmar:

If the other one doesn't have these weird numbers in it, then it's probably the stream itself that's problematic

[04:14:58]

Dagmar:

Why one plays and the other doesn't if the machines have absolutely identical software configurations would be bizarreness.

[04:14:59]

fuxxy:

http://rafb.net/p/MHSECg27.html

[04:15:10]

fuxxy:

Dagmar, that's what I'd like to know

[04:15:15]

Dagmar:

I mean, > 3600fps? WTF

[04:15:32]

fuxxy:

I'm about a knife's edge away from just reinstalling gentoo on the desktop

[04:15:46]

fuxxy:

I'm still running 32 bit build with pentium4 cflags

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Dagmar:

Gentoo.

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fuxxy:

the offending stream is a lower video resolution also.

[04:17:46]

Dagmar:

-.-

[04:18:01]

fuxxy:

Dagmar, :p

[04:18:03]

Dagmar:

I'd double-check that you've got the streams right

[04:18:24]

fuxxy:

the second one is definately the one that works.. I pulled the filename straight from the db

[04:18:25]

Dagmar:

For the most part we'd generally consider it "not suprising" that 1920x1080 doesn't want to play

[04:19:39]

Dagmar:

It's gotta be a difference in the versions of stuff between the machines is the only thing I can really point at

[04:20:02]

Dagmar:

I was *assuming* that you had the exact same binaries on both machines

[04:20:45]

fuxxy:

Dagmar, sorry. I overlooked that.

[04:21:18]

fuxxy:

hold on a second

[04:21:24]

fuxxy:

I think I got the first recording wrong

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fuxxy:

the second one is still correct though :)

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Dagmar:

If you're using more than just the one --cpu= flag for your myth builds, you've probably triggered some of the insane CPU detection code in the libavcodec library

[04:22:34]

fuxxy:

Dagmar, I don't *think* any craziness like that went on, even in the gentoo build.

[04:22:41]

Dagmar:

Check it

[04:23:11]

Dagmar:

LOTS of people, not just Gentoo people, want to set both --cpu and --arch and when I last looked at the code it uses to set flags, it's basically doomed to fail if you set both

[04:23:24]

Dagmar:

I don't know whether or not they've fixed it since November, but I've learned not to over-specify

[04:23:32]

kormoc:

okay, the dlink dwa-552 is extra awesome-sauce

[04:23:32]

fuxxy:

Dagmar, I'll have to figure out how. I believe gentoo keeps logs of that

[04:23:45]

kormoc:

native kernel driver, 802.11n, and it just works

[04:23:47]

kormoc:

snaz

[04:23:56]

fuxxy:

Dagmar, this is the correct offending video – http://rafb.net/p/zIgcOc73.html

[04:24:18]

Dagmar:

fuxxy: Okay

[04:26:09]

Dagmar:

Specifically there's a few flags it sets dead wrong if you specified more than just --cpu

[04:26:35]

Dagmar:

Some operations (can't remember what and can't find my damn notes) that are actually faster on the AMD than the P4

[04:27:21]

fuxxy:

I'm trying to remember how gentoo sets --gpu

[04:27:29]

fuxxy:

--cpu rather

[04:27:42]

Dagmar:

Just look at the ebuild

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, oh, ok

[04:29:48]

Dagmar:

Hangon and I'll put my Changelog for the build scripts I use up somewhere

[04:30:08]

fuxxy:

ok

[04:30:08]

Dagmar:

It might have some clues for you

[04:30:25]

fuxxy:

if [[ -n "${MARCH}" ]]; then

[04:30:25]

fuxxy:

myconf="${myconf} --cpu=${MARCH}"

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fuxxy:

fi

[04:31:09]

fuxxy:

not sure how to interpret that though.

[04:32:00]

erbz:

can anyone help me get mythtv setup with my new tuner card that seems to show up in config

[04:32:37]

erbz:

under capture cards i can see the card type as DVB DTV Capture card (v3.x0

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Dagmar:

fuzzy: If *all* it passes is --cpu and doesn't replicate this in some CFLAGS or CXXFLAGS that's being passed under ./configure then you're probably opkay

[04:32:51]

erbz:

frontend id says samsung s5h1411 qam/subtype

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Dagmar:

fuxxy: http://rafb.net/p/Km8h3y53.html

[04:33:27]

erbz:

dvb device numbers 0 and 1 for my dual tuner fusionhdtv7 dual express

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Dagmar:

fuxxy: Around 2008-03–20 is where I finally beat the stupid out of my build after figuring out what was going awry

[04:33:36]

erbz:

but i get confused in the video source section

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Dagmar:

fuxxy: I use a rather conservative set of stuff when I build. Pretty much only passing -O2 to CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS and until the --cpu and so on flags showed up, just -march=i686 -mcpu=i686. The -mcpu=k8 was only something I threw in there briefly to see what was going on

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Dagmar:

...but after the --cpu configure argument showed up I culled the flags variable down to -O2 alone

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Dagmar:

You *might* have also run into some fun with it pulling headers from the system-installed ffmpeg on one machine and not the other

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Dagmar:

See the note for the build of r16717

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, I'm gonna have to process some of this, you've given me a LOT of info :)

[04:37:38]

Dagmar:

I'm going to have to be more verbose in my docs from now on

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, you maintain the mythtv gentoo ebuild?

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erbz:

her entry for (1)

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Dagmar:

I know there's a lot there, but there were two specific things it set completely backwards that I can't remember

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erbz:

oops

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Dagmar:

fuxxy: No, I maintain my own private binaries

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Dagmar:

I build 'em on just one machine as installable packages

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fuxxy:

hmm.

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erbz:

i click on video sources and get lost

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erbz:

no idea what to configure that as

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Dagmar:

That way I can be *very* sure everything has the same build environment

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Dagmar:

erbz: Documentation is your friend. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Video_Source#Video_sources

[04:40:07]

Dagmar:

Video sources should actually be one of the simpler bits to configure

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Dagmar:

It means "where your video transmissions are coming from"

[04:40:33]

Dagmar:

i.e., the cable company

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, okay, I'm saving this log and hopefully come back tomorrow and mess with it.

[04:41:39]

Dagmar:

fuxxy: Okay

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, thanks for the info

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Dagmar:

BTW, I don't have anything in particular against Gentoo, and you don't seem like one of those crazy ricers, but...

[04:42:27]

Dagmar:

There's a degree to which building stuff from source on multiple different machines can make debugging certain problems insanely complex

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Dagmar:

...since one of the variables to be considered suddenly becomes "everything that was installed on the machine at build time"

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, I understand completely. I run gentoo mainly because it will only pull in the deps that are needed to run X package with X features.

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fuxxy:

so I can keep as minimal a system as possible.

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erbz:

i wish i could tell video sources that my input comes from the cable company

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erbz:

but it has nothing to do with that in the screen i'm looking at

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erbz:

wants to know where guide data comes from

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erbz:

when i go to scan configuration i've tried frequency type broadcast, cable, cable high, etc

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erbz:

modulation qam 64, 128, 256

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erbz:

it never pulls up anything though

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erbz:

since the card is connected to the cable box i would assume it would just find channel 3

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erbz:

but it doesnt even find that

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wagnerrp:

cable boxes dont have digital modulators

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sphery:

iamlindoro__: See, was that so hard? And, since you finally responded to tell him about NetworkManager, he said, "Exactly what I needed to hear, thanks." (Really, though, thanks for posting it--it saved that thread from going all sorts of wrong ways.)

[04:51:02]

wagnerrp:

connecting a digital tuner to a cable box will accomplish exactly nothing

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erbz:

why would i not connected my cable box?

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Dagmar:

not so!

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erbz:

how would i get any channels?

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wagnerrp:

you have to capture over analog

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erbz:

analog doesnt even exist

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erbz:

i'm using fios

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Dagmar:

Do it in an incredibly wrong-headed way and you could be rewarded with a brief shower of sparks and a thick cloud of black, foul smelling smoke.

[04:52:08]

erbz:

theres no such thing as analog for everyone soon anyhow

[04:52:12]

wagnerrp:

how do you watch tv?

[04:52:28]

erbz:

regular set top box

[04:52:29]

wagnerrp:

how do you plug your cable box into your tv

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Dagmar:

lol

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erbz:

depends on which tv it is

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wagnerrp:

elaborate

[04:52:58]

Dagmar:

"More money than ability to read product documentation" might be the problem here

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sphery:

wagnerrp or Elisa?

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erbz:

wag: coax cable

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erbz:

rca/component

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erbz:

svideo

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wagnerrp:

all of those are forms of analog video

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Dagmar:

erbz: Well, dig this... Only *analog* video comes out of your cable box over coax.

[04:53:39]

wagnerrp:

analog modulator through coax

[04:53:45]

wagnerrp:

or composite/svideo signal

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Dagmar:

...meaning unless your fancy digital tuner card also carries a legacy analog tuner along side, it's going to be picking up a whole lot of "not much" in every case

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wagnerrp:

it may come into the box digital, but the only digital signal it will output is encrypted HDMI

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erbz:

i see

[04:54:32]

erbz:

the tuner card is also analog

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wagnerrp:

meaning, you either need to hope you can pull video off over firewire

[04:54:48]

erbz:

the card is supported in mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

or you need to get an analog capture card and an ir blaster

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wagnerrp:

and (nearly) any analog capture that comes on a digital tuner is full of fail

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Dagmar:

So it'll be picking up a lot of "not much" while simultaneously not causing kernel panics.

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erbz:

ok so i see the card in capture cards

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erbz:

both tuners

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Dagmar:

Use the s-video output on your cable box and cross your fingers than you can find an IR blaster cheap

[04:56:13]

erbz:

it tells me that card 1 and card 2 type DVBinput is set to start on channel Please add

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Dagmar:

You can pretty much abandon using that functionality.

[04:56:36]

Dagmar:

DVB is for digital signals only

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erbz:

ok

[04:57:07]

erbz:

maybe the card isnt installed properly

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erbz:

the drivers/firmware

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erbz:

because thats al i see in capture card setup

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Dagmar:

Or the user isnt' installed properly

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erbz:

that doesnt also say failed to open

[04:57:25]

erbz:

yes that too

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erbz:

i'm looking for help

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Dagmar:

You're ignoring what we're telling you tho'.

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erbz:

i'm not

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erbz:

i'm listening

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Dagmar:

Then why are you even still mentioning DVB?

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erbz:

i'm just telling you what it says

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Dagmar:

Let me know when it puts on some frilly hose and garters.

[04:58:19]

erbz:

thought it was helpful and it seems it was

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erbz:

i'll do that

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Dagmar:

Until then, everything it talks about with DVB will be relatively uninteresting because it will be doomed to failure.

[04:58:44]

erbz:

cool

[04:58:46]

erbz:

so lets move on

[04:59:00]

erbz:

how can i ensure that the actual card is installed correctly?

[04:59:13]

Dagmar:

You're pretty much going to be looking into how to tell Myth to listen to an analog input on the card, if it has them

[04:59:23]

erbz:

it does

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Dagmar:

erbz: Connect it to something that provides DVB signals of the correct persuasion

[04:59:55]

Dagmar:

\...and yes by that I mean there is DVB-s and DVB-t and neither are on very good terms with one another.

[05:00:21]

erbz:

it has a coax connector and s-video as well as component video

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erbz:

and audio l/r

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erbz:

no hdmi

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erbz:

on the actual card it self i mean

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Dagmar:

In other words, you mean it's this one: http://www.digitalconnection.com/products/video/fusion7dex.asp

[05:04:11]

erbz:

yes

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Dagmar:

Bad News Part One: Buying a dual-tuner card was a bit of a waste, since you're only really going to be able to use ATSC (break out the coat-hanger antenna) and the S-Video inputs

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Dagmar:

...or the NTSC input if you don't mind setting Myth to listen to only channel 3.

[05:05:04]

Dagmar:

Bad News Part Two: Unless your cable provider is very forward-thinking, connecting directly to the box via a firewire cable is out

[05:05:49]

Dagmar:

Part Two A: even if the port is there, the odds are low your cable provider is actually going to let you get video through it, using an evil mechanism known as "5c". You can look that "5c" thing up in Wikipedia actually

[05:06:17]

erbz:

i don't want to have to know everything about it to use it

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Dagmar:

I'm trying to find out bad news part three, but I can't find for sure if the analog tuners are supported under Linux at all, or are they framegrabbers

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Dagmar:

erbz: Wow did YOU pick the wrong software to try to use then

[05:06:34]

erbz:

yeah the card works fine for many other people

[05:06:45]

erbz:

i just seem to have some fucked up issue

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Dagmar:

Ask them what they did then

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erbz:

dagmar: I'm fine with linux

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erbz:

thanks for the time

[05:07:55]

Dagmar:

From http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /027919.html

[05:08:04]

Dagmar:

"If your card is the FusionHDTV7 Dual Express there is support for this card in the main tree (only one DVB tuner at the moment). This may not help you as you stated that you needed analog support.

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Dagmar:

...which leads us to http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DViCO_Fusio . . . Dual_Express

[05:08:35]

Dagmar:

...which says, in essence, "ur boned'

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erbz:

oh well

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Dagmar:

STuff like this is why you have to either a) actually be willing to research and learn what the technology you're trying to work with is or b) buy a TiVO or something. :/

[05:09:46]

erbz:

i bought the card on a spur of the moment thing

[05:09:51]

erbz:

someone in here recommended it

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Dagmar:

Hopefully, and I do mean this in the nicest way, youc an still get your money back

[05:10:05]

Dagmar:

...or maybe use it under XP or something

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erbz:

i checked the newegg reviews and all of the ones containing ubuntu or mythbuntu were positive

[05:10:15]

Dagmar:

Those people were using it with DVB-T

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erbz:

yep

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wagnerrp:

thats because everyone was using digital

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erbz:

no one had mentioned that though

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erbz:

so now i've learned

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erbz:

and thanks

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wagnerrp:

even if you could use analog on that card, you would not want to

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erbz:

i'll rma it

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wagnerrp:

theres a thing called a 'framegrabber'

[05:10:41]

erbz:

and get a silicondust hdhomerun

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wagnerrp:

NO!

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erbz:

bad idea?

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wagnerrp:

the HDHR does not have any form of analog

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wagnerrp:

not even one that there are no linux drivers for

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Dagmar:

bwahahaah

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erbz:

i'm going to make sure i check that part out first

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erbz:

now that i know

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Dagmar:

http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun

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erbz:

damn so whats a person to do that has a tv tghat is like 10 years old

[05:11:43]

Dagmar:

On the page it shows the text: "ClearQAM unencrypted digital cable (USA/Canada). "

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erbz:

short of buying a new tv of course

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Dagmar:

There's should be a little red asterisk after that and a block of text at the bottom with the same asterisk and the legend "Unencrypted QAM cable in the US? LOL yeah right..."

[05:12:39]

wagnerrp:

if you want to use an old tv, that is something for your video card to handle

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wagnerrp:

nearly any video card you buy is going to output svideo and composite

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Dagmar:

Most people in your situation would use the s-video output from the cable box and pass that into an analog tuner with an MPEG encoder chip built into it, like a Hauppauge PVR-150

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wagnerrp:

some output component as well

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wagnerrp:

it has NOTHING to do with the tuner/capture card

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Dagmar:

Thankfully, they're pretty cheap

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Dagmar:

I've no idea what the heck this has to do with your TV

[05:14:02]

Dagmar:

Your TV, when used in conjunction with MythTV, is for all intents and purposes, a very low-resolution monitor.

[05:14:16]

Dagmar:

THis at least means that it's easy to work with

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erbz:

ok

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erbz:

my tv works fine with my box

[05:14:35]

erbz:

i just use s-video out from my ati video card

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Dagmar:

The s-video output on your video card will probably send it the clearest picture

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erbz:

im just trying to get a tuner in here so i can record stuff

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Dagmar:

Dig around on eBay (or Craigslist if there's one for your city) and see about getting your hands on a PVR-150

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erbz:

i'm in boston

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erbz:

hopefully i can find one

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Dagmar:

Don't bother with the PVR-500 unless it's super cheap because you're only going to have one output on your cable box, which means you can only tune in one thing at a time

[05:15:47]

Dagmar:

Yeah, Boston has a Craigslist, so I'd check it first

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wagnerrp:

unless of course you want to pick up a second STB

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Dagmar:

The PVR-250 and the PVR-350 are *not* upgrades from the PVR-150 by the way

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Dagmar:

Some people see the bigger number and make bad assumptions about it

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Dagmar:

...but a PVR-150 should cost you all of about $50

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erbz:

so the people who are using this card successfully in myth using dvb

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Dagmar:

You'll also need an IR blaster still (or there's a slightly different method involving a firewire port that's somewhat likely to work)

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erbz:

how would i do that myself

[05:17:32]

erbz:

what would be required

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Dagmar:

...to have the Myth box be able to change channesl on the cable box

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Dagmar:

erbz: Well, you could use a provider that does DVB-T

[05:18:05]

Dagmar:

...or you could move to somewhere that has that.

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erbz:

ok so that is on the providers end

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Dagmar:

Yes and there's more bad news

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Dagmar:

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_terrestrial_television

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Dagmar:

"The DVB-T standard is not used for terrestrial digital television in North America. Instead, the ATSC standard calls for 8VSB modulation, which has similar characteristics to the vestigial sideband modulation used for analogue television. This provides considerably more immunity to interference, but is not immune – as DVB-T is – to multipath distortion and also does not provide for single-frequency network operation (which is in any case not rel

[05:19:15]

Dagmar:

The US basically *sucks* for digital cable tuner options.

[05:19:49]

Dagmar:

I think possibly DirectTV or DishNetwork might be using it, but with either of those you'd have to get some software that we can't (and won't) talk about here which is not exactly legal.

[05:19:53]

Dagmar:

Yay for monopolies. :/

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erbz:

damn

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erbz:

i was wondering why in XP everything worked except it kept telling me it was an analog signal

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erbz:

DAMN THE MAN

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erbz:

i'll start the flogging line

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Dagmar:

That's because it was only seeing the analog output. ;/

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Dagmar:

Doh, strike what I said earlier, Dish and Direct both use DVB-S

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Dagmar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_television#United_States

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Dagmar:

At least the good news is that you'll surely be happy with how cheap a PVR-150 is

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Dagmar:

Oh, and if you were recently "upgraded" to that particular cable box because your cable provider told you it was necessary because of the FCC's digital changeover mandate...

[05:23:51]

Dagmar:

...you should probably buy a chainsaw and go down to their offices to express your displeasure at being lied to.

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jpabq:

My PVR-500 had integrated IR blaster. I never used it, because I use USB to control my STB, but I assume it works.

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Dagmar:

jpaqg: I think that if you can actually control yours over USB the phrase "lucky barstard" applies

[05:25:12]

jpabq:

Even though Dish was cheaper, I went with Directv because of working USB ports.

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Dagmar:

Nice

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erbz:

i don't pay for my hd fios stb

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erbz:

i'm one of those people that sees something in a store for $200 and ends up paying $100

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Dagmar:

So you, like most people, are just renting a cable box then.

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erbz:

i pay $85 for all movie channels + the hd channels the hd box, phone and 20/5 internet

[05:27:06]

erbz:

and the 2nd regular box down here

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erbz:

i dont pay the rental fee

[05:27:16]

erbz:

but i dont own it

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erbz:

so i do rent it

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jpabq:

erbz: Like Dagmar has said, your best option for capturing video from your STB is s-video. When the next version of Myth comes out, you can upgrade to component to get full HD

[05:27:41]

Dagmar:

If at some point you get a TV capable of 720p or 1080, you might consider pestering your provider for boxes that have component output

[05:27:55]

Dagmar:

...and then spend $200–250 on an HD-PVR

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Dagmar:

It's about the one option in the US for getting digital cable into the Myth box by encoding it back to digital in the HD-PVR and sending it to the PC over USB

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Dagmar:

...and note we said "component" (three RCA cables, red, blue, and green) and not "composite" (one RCA connector, usually yellow)

[05:29:36]

Dagmar:

Some people get 'em mixed up

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erbz:

yeah

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jpabq:

janneg just committed improved support for the HD-PVR to myth's development tree.

[05:30:46]

erbz:

the USB ports on the verizon boxes arent active

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Dagmar:

Bummer

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erbz:

they both have IR jacks but if I plug in my reciever and click the remote theres no light

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Dagmar:

erbz: This is a bit wordy, but it's something that may help http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Highly_Technical_Details

[05:31:33]

jpabq:

janneg has said that he should have the HD-PVR's integrated ir blaster working "soon".

[05:31:54]

Dagmar:

Niiiice

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erbz:

thanks dag

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Dagmar:

I missed being at my gf's place the last time the cable guy was there and tried to convince her she needed to buy a new TV

[05:32:32]

Dagmar:

Now I'm just waiting for them to pull the same stunt on me

[05:32:54]

Dagmar:

I had to do some hackery to make my cell phone exceed the built-in limit of 30s for recording phone calls.

[05:33:27]

Dagmar:

Once I've had my fun and gotten the FCC complaint filed, then I'll probably be buying an HD-PVR and upgrading.

[05:34:34]

jpabq:

A couple of people have complained about occasional recording problems with the HD-PVR, but I cannot reproduce them.

[05:35:23]

jpabq:

I wonder if it is a problem with the USB ports on their computers?

[05:35:41]

Dagmar:

Could be that Could be their box overheating or something

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wagnerrp:

what ever happened to iamlindoro's project of mounting one of those on a pci bracket?

[05:36:43]

Dagmar:

He probably sobered up.

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jpabq:

My HD-PVRs are both first generation. You would think if that is the problem, I would be more likely to have it than anyone. I did have one of mine freak out due to heat once, when the room got over 85F.

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jpabq:

wagnerrp: last I heard, he had done it, but not finished up the cosmetics.

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jpabq:

I don't think it was on a pci bracket, just "internal"

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jpabq:

Personally, I don't want it internal. I like the fact that the HD-PVR and the HDhomerun are external boxes.

[05:38:23]

wagnerrp:

i thought he had mounted it on a rear panel bracket

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jpabq:

Could be.

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wagnerrp:

not actually connected through PCI, but ports on the back of the computer

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jpabq:

Ah, I see what you mean. Yeah, I think he had the component and s/pdif inputs setup that way

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erbz:

20:53 < erbz> rca/component

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erbz:

ble box over coax.

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erbz:

sorry

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jpabq:

erbz: if your stb has component outputs, then you could use a HD-PVR to record in HD. However, the current *stable* version of myth does not have official support for the HD-PVR.

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erbz:

Connectivity

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erbz:

Component Out, Ethernet, HDMI, IEEE 1394 (Firewire), NTSC Input, NTSC Output, RF Remod, S-Video, S/PDIF, USBConnectivity

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erbz:

=/

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mzb_d800:

I've had a few occasions where I've lost videometadata, despite backups.

[06:28:11]

mzb_d800:

Is it not feasible to have mythvideo check for a "Video Filename".sql file and insert on the fly?

[06:28:48]

mzb_d800:

(if no metadata exists?)

[06:28:58]

mzb_d800:

or this this just plain stupid? \

[06:29:52]

mzb_d800:

I'd prefer not to backup the whole db just for the videos. There must be a better way.

[06:30:07]

wagnerrp:

the only time you should lose metadata is when you rescan and drop a missing file from the database

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mzb_d800:

that would be one ;)

[06:30:25]

mzb_d800:

or if it's moved

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mzb_d800:

(same thing)

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wagnerrp:

well if its moved, you can modify the database to update the position

[06:30:51]

mzb_d800:

by hand ... hmm

[06:30:55]

mzb_d800:

handy!

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wagnerrp:

you can also get mysqldump to dump a single table

[06:31:19]

wagnerrp:

but you would still have to modify it by hand

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mzb_d800:

videometadata is more complex (related tables)

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mzb_d800:

it's not just a matter of a single table

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wagnerrp:

are there? not that i know of

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wagnerrp:

i think videometadata is a standalone

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mzb_d800:

cast, county, genre

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mzb_d800:

where cast is the hardest

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mzb_d800:

and, let's say I've got 2000 videos in my collection, but I drop 1000 by mistake ... how can I do an update rather than replace?

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wagnerrp:

write a find and replace script

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mzb_d800:

great ;)

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mzb_d800:

Showing rows 0 – 29 (2,519 total, Query took 0.0272 sec)

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wagnerrp:

dump out a whole list of intids "where filename like '/path/to/video/%';"

[06:35:46]

mzb_d800:

in some ways the work put into the metadata is more than it takes to get the videos themselves!

[06:35:57]

wagnerrp:

loop through the list, and update with the new path

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mzb_d800:

I'm planning on a script that dumps all the info for each file ... to an sql update/insert for each

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mzb_d800:

so if the worst happens I can just loop through all the sql files for a restore

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

and just backing up the database isn't enought why?

[06:37:15]

wagnerrp:

i dont know...

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mzb_d800:

because it may wipe out changes that have been made since the error (quite likely)

[06:37:58]

wagnerrp:

woo! raid expansion complete

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kormoc:

So then you restore the backup, replay the binary log to the point you lost data, skip the query, and continue to replay to now and then live happy?

[06:38:07]

wagnerrp:

too bad i cant update the zpool on a live system

[06:38:19]

kormoc:

madam --grow for the win!

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mzb_d800:

would also make wholesale changes easier (ie: pathname changes) ... I think

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

UPDATE table SET path = REGEX(blah blah); isn't easy enough?

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wagnerrp:

i have to export the pool, and re-import it

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mzb_d800:

(and additions, ie: for links)

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** kormoc blinks **

[06:39:00]

wagnerrp:

takes all of 10 seconds to expand the file system for new space

[06:39:08]

wagnerrp:

but ive got to unmount/remount everything

[06:39:29]

kormoc:

I personally find just having one master set up data is a lot easier then updating the db and then re-exporting all the stuff stand alone...

[06:39:48]

wagnerrp:

linux doesnt have any file systems that can expand live either (that i know of)

[06:39:51]

mzb_d800:

and I've found that unsuitable

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, ext2/3 most certainly can

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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wagnerrp:

withouth unmounting?

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mzb_d800:

I have mulitple grabbers running 24/7 ... you can only imagine

[06:40:26]

kormoc:

mzb_d800, I fail to see how adding another layer that's temporally out of sync is easier...

[06:40:27]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, aye

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wagnerrp:

seems... dangerous

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mzb_d800:

because that "layer" is supposed to be static (in my case at least)

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** kormoc blinks **

[06:41:29]

kormoc:

so a database backup that is static isn't good enough, but a thousand static files is?

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, it's been in the main kernel for 2.6.7+ or so, it's fairly solid these days

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mzb_d800:

there is more than one source for updates to the videometadata

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mzb_d800:

I want X number of those entries to be left alone

[06:43:03]

mzb_d800:

not the WHOLE table/relationship/database

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mzb_d800:

a single error can wipe out the lot. I'm simply looking for a nice way to retain that data ... at _least_ for backup purposes.

[06:44:16]

mzb_d800:

unless there's a way of locking data on a per-record basis ;)

[06:44:19]

kormoc:

right

[06:44:37]

kormoc:

but a traditional database backup would retain that data...

[06:44:37]

mzb_d800:

(ie: not _ALL_ the data)

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kormoc:

and given you can recover right up to the statements you don't want to run again and skip them makes it seem fairly solid

[06:45:20]

mzb_d800:

and then the time between the backup and restore I lose data ... when it could take me 24hrs to realise!

[06:45:33]

kormoc:

not at all

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kormoc:

that's the entire reason binary logs exist...

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mzb_d800:

starting to sound like a feature request ;)

[06:46:32]

kormoc:

how does having a solution already that would prevent any data loss at all sound like a feature request?

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** kormoc blinks **

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mzb_d800:

"Restore my videometadata to 8pm yesterday before I deleted it all" option ... click

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** mzb_d800 closes his eyes in response to kormoc's blinking ;) **

[06:47:24]

kormoc:

Restore database backup, Replay binary log from backup timestamp to 8pm yesterday. done

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mzb_d800:

right, and then I still lose the other changes since ... your solution doesn't appear to work for me

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kormoc:

nope

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kormoc:

what changes have you lost?

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kormoc:

I don't think you understand what I mean by replay the binary log

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mzb_d800:

scenario: I lose (for some reason) part (or all of) my video metadata at 8pm on a Saturday. The next day I realise the situation and would like to restore the missing metadata. A wholesale restore/rollback is not going to work. Grabbers, transcode jobs (etc) have been running overnight. How does a backup or replay help me here

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mzb_d800:

?

[06:51:32]

mzb_d800:

Restoring a single table (or group of tables) is also not going to work.

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kormoc:

because you restore a backup, replay the log to the query that killed the data, SKIP THAT ONE, continue with the log. all your data is back, all the rest of the data is safe

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** kormoc sighs **

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mzb_d800:

heh

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wagnerrp:

but... but... but... thats so much effort

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GreyFoxx:

Why would restoring the specific table(s) not work ?

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wagnerrp:

i want to make tens of thousands of little files to supplant the database

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mzb_d800:

because they may have had other additions (from various sources)

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kormoc:

those additions are in the binary logs, ready to be re-added to the data after the initial restore...

[06:53:08]

mzb_d800:

wagnerrp: save the sarcasm, I was merely looking for a solution.

[06:53:29]

mzb_d800:

kormoc: can you tell me how to perform the replay (and skip) ?

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GreyFoxx:

mzb_d800: if you fear it that much do multiple dumps a day

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GreyFoxx:

you can minimize the lost "time" to a short period

[06:53:58]

GreyFoxx:

it's trivially easy

[06:54:00]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i still dont understand the reason backups wouldnt work

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mzb_d800:

the point is lost on you then

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wagnerrp:

even if multiple machines, and applications, and grabbers are used

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wagnerrp:

run snapshots

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kormoc:

mzb_d800, you use mysqlbinlog to dump the binlog into raw SQL queries, edit the dumped output to remove the query you don't want to run, restore the backup, run mysql mythconverg < binlog.sql, done

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wagnerrp:

so you have multiple copies of backups

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wagnerrp:

and you can go as far back as you need to get the data you want

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mzb_d800:

I could dump every 5 mins and keep records for 6 months and it still wouldn't solve the problem.

[06:55:11]

wagnerrp:

why not?

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wagnerrp:

your concern was that you might delete files because they had moved

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kormoc:

if dumping the data won't solve the issue, dumping it in 1000's of files won't solve it as well... it's the same thing... dumped data....

[06:55:41]

wagnerrp:

and then you had no way of retrieving that metadata

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mzb_d800:

because there have been (valuable) changes to the database since the (said) loss

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kormoc:

which is why using the binary log is the actual solution, as it preserves those (valuable) changes

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wagnerrp:

so just recover those tables that pertain to mythvideo

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kormoc:

it's not as if the entire database industry relies on the binary log for recovery... oh wait...

[06:56:26]

wagnerrp:

or only dump those tables that pertain to mythvideo

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mzb_d800:

I value the mysqlbinlog suggestion, thanks kormoc.

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mzb_d800:

wagnerrp: my concern is not that I might delete files. It's that the metadata may have been deleted (for a number of reasons)

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wagnerrp:

0.21-fixes will not delete files from videometadata without asking you first

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mzb_d800:

heh

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wagnerrp:

it will notify you after the scan, and tell you the files are missing, what do you want to do

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mzb_d800:

uhuh

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wagnerrp:

so instead of clicking 'delete all', cancel, and figure out the problem

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mzb_d800:

"1000 files are missing because your NFS share is not mounted ... click ANYTHING to delete the lot"

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wagnerrp:

so it ESC

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wagnerrp:

s/it/hit/

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wagnerrp:

ive done it a number of times

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mzb_d800:

again, you're missing the point(s) ... doesn't matter.

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mzb_d800:

thanks for your suggestion kormoc

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wagnerrp:

i am missing the point, apparently

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wagnerrp:

(on trunk) is there any way to disable the on-screen keyboard with command line options/

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kormoc:

Don't think so

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zeltak:

hi can anyone help me get mythweb back and runing it seems to be broken :(

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wagnerrp:

what is broken about it?

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zeltak:

thx wagnerrp for the answer

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wagnerrp:

that was a question?

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wagnerrp:

you cant just say its broken

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zeltak:

well it dosent connect as it used to, and when i try to reconfigure it from the command line the output says its broken

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wagnerrp:

theres any number of things that could be wrong

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zeltak:

i was getting to it :)

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wagnerrp:

output of what?

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zeltak:

sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythweb

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zeltak:

Your apache2 configuration is broken, so we're not restarting it for you.

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wagnerrp:

that seems like you need to fix apache, not mythweb

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zeltak:

i guess its an apache2 issue..(sorry for not being cl;ear)

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wagnerrp:

dpkg is... ubuntu/debian?

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zeltak:

yup ubuntu

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cesman:

debian

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wagnerrp:

try getting apache fixed in #ubuntu

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zeltak:

mm ok thx wagnerrp for the help :)

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wagnerrp:

if apache is running, but mythweb still isnt working, come back

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zeltak:

k no problem thx

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zeltak:

btw i get thos messgge in the apache config

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zeltak:

Syntax error on line 104 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mythweb.conf:

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zeltak:

Invalid command 'php_value', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration

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zeltak:

...fail!

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wagnerrp:

is php installed? with apache2 modules?

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wagnerrp:

and loaded by httpd.conf

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zeltak:

mmm i think so but im lost ill check the ubuntu forums first :) thx again :)

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kormoc:

If you setup php to run in CGI (or as a fastcgi module) it will also error out like that

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kormoc:

and if you did do such a thing, don't. mod_php is fine

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zeltak:

thx kormoc for the answer but im affraid these terms are bit out of my leauge LOL...

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mbreum:

Hi. I'm working on getting non-jittery tv-watching up and going. In Mythbuntu, I enabled the restricted ATI driver for my radeon HD3200 (embedded on motherboard) – it's connected through a HDMI cable to my LCD TV.

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mbreum:

The desktop looks fine, but when mythfrontend is started, I see a double image. When I watch TV, it's also double, but as opposed to when I run without the restricted driver, it's smooth.

[08:07:40]

mbreum:

Why is it only Myth-TV and not the whole desktop that is doubled?

[08:07:40]

mbreum:

And would it help trying to build the latest ati driver from amd's site?

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wagnerrp:

youre running the opengl painter, and opengl is hosed because of borked ATI drivers

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mbreum:

Hmmm... So would the latest driver help, or should I look into not running opengl (any hints)?

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wagnerrp:

this is why linux users avoid ATI hardware

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wagnerrp:

nothing wrong with the hardware, but the linux drives suck

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mbreum:

Impossible to make it work?

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wagnerrp:

no, some users on here use ATI cards with no issue

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wagnerrp:

it seems to be a bit of luck more than anything else

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mbreum:

Well, I'll have a go with the newest driver and see if I have the amount of luck required :0)

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mbreum:

Thanks for the info

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lyricnz_:

Okay, slightly off topic. On a current fedora box, pulseaudio – it is only showing analog output devices. Any magic spell, or driver, or setting I need to do to load a digital device?

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piksi:

howdy, i just encountered the oddest mythtv related problem i have never run into before: http://pastebin.com/m7db2b6bb

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piksi:

my logs are filling with this and kjournald is going crazy due to it

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piksi:

even though using mythtv works well, i'm running version 0.21.0

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piksi:

and this is a completely ordinary ubuntu install from packages, configured as recommended, nothing special

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mbreum:

wagnerrp: I just finished following the guide at http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Intre . . . lation_Guide for updating to the latest ATI driver, and that resolved the issue with double-image. Thanks!

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piksi:

is there by any chance a logical reason why i'm able to access the db with the mythtv mysql user from command line but mythtv-setup fails with "lost connection: reading initila communication packet, system error 0" ?

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dschan:

hi everybody

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dschan:

anybody here who can help me? want to change my dvb-t box to a dvb-s box...

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dschan:

i live in a flat and so i can only use the existing infrastructure, i.e. one cable. so i thought about using the unicable system. is that possible with mythtv?

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dschan:

nobody here??

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laga:

even if someone was here, your question didn't make sense

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dschan:

soory, ehat was wrong?

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dschan:

sorry, what was wrong?

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piksi:

if someone were here i hope this question would make sense: i don't seem to be able to connect to the database anymore: http://pastebin.com/m7db2b6bb

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piksi:

dschan: replace the cards and reconfigure mythbackend and channels?

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dschan:

hi piksi, thx for answering

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dschan:

yes, that's what i must do. however, i need to buy all the hardware and i'll have to use the existing cable. so a unicable system semms to be the one i need. can mythtv control this?

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mkrufky:

hey guys..... ..... my mythbackend.log is being flooded with " 2009-02–14 09:25:24.230 [ac3 @ 0x7f9ec43b85b0]frame sync error "

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mkrufky:

there is a mythcommflag job that looks hun since thursday

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mkrufky:

hung

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mkrufky:

this is a recording of the office on NBC .... this also happened on wednesday's LOST recordings and last saturday's LOST re-run

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mkrufky:

i figure nobody's around now ... i can fix this by restarting mythbackend, killing mythcommflag

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mkrufky:

but it will happen again in a few days, i think

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mkrufky:

if it comes back i'll file a bug ..... but anybody interested in more info in the meanwhile, feel free to ping me

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daveo78:

Anyone using the frontend on a macmini under OSX

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daveo78:

?

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wagnerrp:

people are using those, yes

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ircmaxell:

I'm getting an error where the backend is complaining that /dev/dsp doesn't exist... Do I need a sound card on the backend (Haupauge 1600)?

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ircmaxell:

(this is a backend only device)

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sphery:

mkrufky: I've seen the same, but usually when the stream is damaged (i.e. bad reception or bad stream sent by the networks). You may need to tell the commflagger to skip that recording (i.e. it may hang again when it restarts the same recording after you kill it--you can use Job Options in the Info menu in Watch Recordings to skip commflagging). Or, you can probably do a lossless transcode, then commflag it without issue.

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mkrufky:

ok thanks sphery, i'll give that a try

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wagnerrp:

ircmaxell: then it can be ignored

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ircmaxell:

hrm...

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ircmaxell:

it complains about "NVR(/dev/video0): Won't work with the streaming interface, falling back"

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ircmaxell:

as well (But good to know I don't need to run out and pick up an audio card

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wagnerrp:

are you using the 1600 as an mpeg encoder card, not a v4l card?

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ircmaxell:

v4l...

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justinh:

sheesh. chuffing rootkitted Sony CDs

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wagnerrp:

the 1600 is an mpeg encoder

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ircmaxell:

Ahhh

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ircmaxell:

very good

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wagnerrp:

use it as such

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daveo78:

wagnerp were you talking to me above?

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ircmaxell:

didn't even realize that (Thanks)!

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daveo78:

wagnerrp were you talking to me above?

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daveo78:

I was sort of wondering if anyone HERE was using mythfrontend on a macmini(OSX)

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ircmaxell:

what do you know... It works!!! (Thanks wagnerrp, you saved me a bunch of time)!

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Gozar:

Hi, Is there documentation on how to make mplayer match mythtv lirc control?

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wagnerrp:

you just have to write directives that match

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wagnerrp:

but since mythtv and mplayer dont have quite the same control scheme, it will never directly match

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gbee:

or just use the internal player

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Gozar:

wagnerrp: Thanks. That was what I was afraid of. I've tryed to mess around with mplayers input.conf but only got very few keys to work

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wagnerrp:

everything should be done in lircrc

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gbee:

or using the internal player instead

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Gozar:

gbee: The video I'll trying to play is a avi. afaik internal player don't work.

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gbee:

err, yes it will

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gbee:

internal player supports all the codecs that mplayer of the same age will, they both use ffmpeg after all

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Gozar:

gbee: Thanks you saved me alot of troubles.

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daveo78:

There isnt a primary key for my settings table, is that a problem?

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justinh:

heh. yes

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daveo78:

thought so that could be the source of all my problems

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laga:

justinh: what would be the primary key for the settings table?

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gbee:

there isn't one

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daveo78:

yeeah

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daveo78:

?

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daveo78:

so how do we make changes?

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gbee:

only a key on value + hostname

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daveo78:

it says I cant edit it without a primary key

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gbee:

what does?

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daveo78:

mysql

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justinh:

got bored with giving out correct information so I'm trying to be more like somebody else

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laga:

!trout justinh

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** MythLogBot slaps justinh with a trout on behalf of laga... **

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justinh:

daveo78: why are you even trying to fettle the database directly?

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daveo78:

I'm just looking at it through webmin and it says that it cant be edited

[16:02:45]

justinh:

ah. webmin. just looking. hmmm

[16:02:45]

daveo78:

Im having an issue where changes to settings in a frontend don't stick

[16:03:03]

justinh:

daveo78: does the frontend have a static ip address & hostname?

[16:03:08]

daveo78:

thought maybe I could force them directly

[16:03:09]

daveo78:

yes

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justinh:

when you change settings are you going all the way through to 'finish' ?

[16:03:56]

daveo78:

but now that you mention that not all the entrys in the settings table have a hostname associated wiith them

[16:04:20]

daveo78:

yes I'm going to finish

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thefRont is now known as thefront

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daveo78:

I might drop everything in the settings table and do it over

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gbee:

webmin is giving the error then, not mysql

[16:05:52]

daveo78:

I'll loog at it through mysql directly but I've never had a problem with any other dB's using webmin

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daveo78:

*look

[16:09:27]

daveo78:

ok youre right when I look at it directly all the hostnames are there

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justinh:

which settings seemingly aren't being stored then?

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daveo78:

when I change the video settings under playback (the ones that are if rez < 0,0... etc) they never seem to apply when I start playback

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daveo78:

i.e the different encodings, libmpeg,ffmpeg,etc...

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justinh:

those settings screens scare me

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daveo78:

I'm having video issues and cant get those to change to try different modes

[16:14:18]

daveo78:

as a side note I'm building a big fat everything included binary of mythfrontend from source to see if that helps

[16:14:49]

justinh:

the defaults generally just work if your video drivers are up to scratch

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justinh:

as in... you have Xv working

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daveo78:

nope it wont switch to xv it stays with quartz all the time

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daveo78:

hold on ill print the line to show you

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daveo78:

Heres the output from playback

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daveo78:

VideoOutputQuartz: VProf: rend(quartz-blit) osd(softblend) deint(yadifdoubleprocessdeint,yadifdeint) filt()

[16:19:21]

daveo78:

now when I change it from quartz to opengl I get this

[16:19:23]

daveo78:

edit #0 rejected

[16:20:46]

daveo78:

and when playback is started again:

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daveo78:

VideoOutputQuartz: VProf: rend(quartz-blit) osd(softblend) deint(linearblend,linearblend) filt()

[16:21:08]

daveo78:

the deinterlacer changes but the renderer wont

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daveo78:

which must be edit #0

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daveo78:

I cant really tell if its changing from libmpeg to XV

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sphery:

daveo78: (I really don't know, so I'm not trying say it doesn't, but) Does Mac OS/Mac OS's X Windowing System/Mac OS's X video drivers even support Xv?

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daveo78:

not sure

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daveo78:

I'll use libmpeg anyways its the opengl stuff i'd like to enable

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justinh:

daveo78: AFAIK you always want to be using quartz-blit on OSX. what does the mythtv wiki say about mythfrontend on a Mac – assuming you're not running linux...

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andreax:

If i pass the $time (as time_t) to /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm the time from wakealarm is 21:30, but it should be 22:30... Where goes my hour? Biostime is localtime... I use the script setwakeup.sh from the wiki... Any ideas?

[18:15:00]

laga:

shouldn't the bios be set to UTC?

[18:15:19]

gbee:

until very recently in trunk it wasn't even possible to use opengl on OSX, I'm still not sure whether it is possible but some of the restrictions were removed IIRC

[18:15:26]

andreax:

It should also work with localtime.... But i really wonder who eats my hour...

[18:15:39]

** laga coughs up some seconds **

[18:16:38]

joe2371:

I have a couple of MCE only tuner cards I'd like to be able to make use of. I'm wondering, is there any way that an MCE box could be integrated into an otherwise FLOSS PVR network? Like have a MythTV BE control the MCE box over IR, and the MCE box captures to NFS storage located on the BE. Or if this cannot be done with MythTV, does anyone know if there are any FLOSS projects for which this is possible?

[18:17:13]

gbee:

what makes them MCE only?

[18:17:21]

joe2371:

Lack even of XP drivers.

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andreax:

Ill try with utc... :)

[18:18:51]

wagnerrp:

so theyre MCE-only... yet they dont work on MCE?

[18:19:07]

wagnerrp:

oh... you mean theyre VISTA only

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laga:

they only work on 2k MCE..

[18:19:15]

joe2371:

They do work on MCE, I believe. But not vanilla XP.

[18:19:17]

gbee:

hmm, I should never have toyed with those new theme graphics the other day, seems a shame to waste them but I really don't have time to be starting a third theme when I'm barely into the second

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wagnerrp:

there is no difference between XP and XP MCE

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wagnerrp:

what cards?

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joe2371:

XP MCE, at least. Possibly Vista MCE. Just not non-MCE XP.

[18:20:12]

gbee:

yay for Windows

[18:20:23]

gbee:

besides which, I don't really like the idea enough to create a whole theme from it, just enough that I don't want to throw them away

[18:20:23]

joe2371:

These are the roslyn-blackbirds. The OEM drivers apparently will not install in vanilla XP.

[18:20:43]

wagnerrp:

never heard of em

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GreyFoxx:

Aren't those supported by ivtv?

[18:20:58]

GreyFoxx:

like for a long time now ?

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wagnerrp:

looks like theyre a PVR-250 clone

[18:21:12]

GreyFoxx:

they are

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GreyFoxx:

and have been support for years I believe

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wagnerrp:

so just throw them in your mythtv box and be done with it

[18:21:47]

wagnerrp:

modern kernels, the drivers are built in

[18:22:01]

joe2371:

Hauppauge WinTV-PVR250MCE, so called. But the only effective drivers that I know of for them are the MCE ones. I have not been able to get good performance with the in-kernel drivers.

[18:22:22]

gbee:

joe2371: looks like there are linux drivers

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** gbee was too slow **

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wagnerrp:

there is no difference between the MCE and vanilla versions

[18:22:52]

wagnerrp:

one just has RCA audio, while the other has an 1/8" jack

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gbee:

cx88-blackbord drivers, those have been around for what seems like forever

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joe2371:

Well, if so, then I'm not sure why I'm still getting terrible performance from them with the in-kernel drivers. Perhaps I'm still not using the correct firmware.

[18:24:25]

wagnerrp:

terrible performance how?

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wagnerrp:

i hope youre using it as an mpeg card, rather than a v4l framegrabber

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gbee:

linux drivers are 3 years old, so they should be pretty stable etc

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joe2371:

Well, only certain interfaces seem to work. Color problems. Brightness problems. I'm sure I've forgotten most of the details because I punted them some time ago.

[18:25:58]

joe2371:

I had comparatively fewer difficulties with my HVR-1600.

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joe2371:

I believe I tried both framegrabbing as well as MPEG capture. I think MythTV may have been using the framegrabber for LiveTV mode. My recollection is pretty fuzzy.

[18:27:49]

joe2371:

Perhaps its worth another shot, though.

[18:31:47]

joe2371:

I'll try again, being sure to use only the MPEG encoder outputs. And I'll experiment with several signal sources to see if that has been part of the trouble. Thanks.

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yunosh:

hi, how can i determine that bitrate of a channel. watching tv on a remote frontend stutters and i wonder if the connection is fast enough

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justinh:

ffmpeg -i $file

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justinh:

though that'd only tell you instantaneous bitrate

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justinh:

if it's wireless, chances are it needs to be not wireless :)

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andreax:

Okay... Putting this to utc fixed it... Thanks for the coughs laga... .)

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yunosh:

justinh: well, it is wireless, but draft n, and 135mbs on the backend and 60mbs on the frontend, so it *should* work

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justinh:

sustained data rate? guaranteed?

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yunosh:

justinh: well, it is wireless, but draft n, and 135mbs on the backend and 60mbs on the frontend, so it *should* work

[18:56:29]

justinh:

theory is great. reality generally sucks

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yunosh:

oops

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justinh:

you can say SHOULD all you want :)

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yunosh:

sorry :)

[18:57:31]

yunosh:

well, that's the current connection speed from the ap assoc. i actually see ~1mbit on the wire

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justinh:

it's all meaningless until you see a sustained rate

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yunosh:

what's that?

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justinh:

what use is 58Mbps if it's intermittently dropping down to 5?

[18:59:41]

yunosh:

the mpeg has 9k

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yunosh:

that's why i said the constant transfer rate is 1mbit

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justinh:

1mbit isn't enough for broadcast TV

[19:00:35]

justinh:

broadcast TV is typically > 1Mbit/sec

[19:01:04]

justinh:

put it this way yunosh – try wiring the network & see if it plays better

[19:01:16]

justinh:

if it does, there's your answer

[19:02:11]

justinh:

wireless networking in linux on my laptop is terrible compared to on windows. can't even get a good enough sustained transfer rate in the same room as the router

[19:02:15]

yunosh:

k, that wouldn't help since wired is not possible permanently, but thanks for the answers, at least i know what to look for

[19:02:32]

justinh:

it'll help you narrow down where the problem is

[19:02:39]

yunosh:

yeah

[19:02:46]

yunosh:

dinner, laters. and thanks again

[19:03:31]

justinh:

for every 1 person I've ever seen say they use wireless with their media system at home, about 10 say they have connectivity suckage

[19:03:39]

erbz:

yeah

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erbz:

i gave up my self

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wagnerrp:

is there any way to just completely disable the onscreen keyboard in trunk?

[19:04:21]

justinh:

and even the people who have some success end up putting boosters/extenders & whatnot in their house

[19:05:03]

justinh:

yunosh: and don't forget there's always that homeplug stuff. networking over power cables. it'll always beat wireless

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GreyFoxx:

wagnerrp: It's one of the mythfrontend settings

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GreyFoxx:

I turned mine off. I hated it and turned mine off :)

[19:05:40]

wagnerrp:

im looking, found the option, had no effect

[19:05:43]

justinh:

GreyFoxx: so you use the T9 entry all the time.. or a real keyboard?

[19:06:03]

justinh:

I won't be sad to see the back of that if it ever goes

[19:06:11]

GreyFoxx:

Anytime I need to enter text I use a keyboard/telnet controls or vnc

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justinh:

heh

[19:06:51]

justinh:

I like the onscreen keyboard.. just wish it was bigger sometimes

[19:07:01]

justinh:

never got round to theming it

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wagnerrp:

its just the 'use line edit virtual keyboards' option right?

[19:07:07]

justinh:

not likely to either now

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GreyFoxx:

wagnerrp: Yeah

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GreyFoxx:

tried restarting the frontend as well ?

[19:07:32]

wagnerrp:

justinh: i dont mind the onscreen keyboard, its just an issue that when i hit space on a real keyboard, i want a space

[19:08:28]

wagnerrp:

restarting didnt do it

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justinh:

when I built my first frontend all those years ago I was looking for a wireless keyboard that looked nice, at the right price, and with a decent range. seems I forgot all about that aspiration :P

[19:09:11]

justinh:

people said names like Gyration. Yeah, like I'm _that_ loaded

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** kormoc pokes his cable box via firewire **

[19:09:27]

kormoc:

$33 for a 6 foot firewire cable... what a rip

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wagnerrp:

justinh: id rather avoid the whole concept of typing a bunch of crap into mythvideo in front of my tv

[19:09:57]

kormoc:

mythweb!

[19:10:13]

wagnerrp:

quite the pusher

[19:10:21]

kormoc:

the first hit is free!

[19:10:23]

justinh:

kormoc: you get mythweb on your remote control? nifty!

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wagnerrp:

well GreyFoxx does

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kormoc:

justinh, my remote control these days is mythweb on my ipod, so yeah! :P

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CNLiberal:

I think I might have a DB corruption issue

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justinh:

CNLiberal: so check your database :)

[19:11:22]

CNLiberal:

:-)

[19:11:29]

wagnerrp:

wasnt he the one setting up a telnet GUI for the nokia internet tablets?

[19:11:32]

CNLiberal:

i had a RAID array issue this week

[19:11:47]

CNLiberal:

and the backend locked up on Wednesday morning at 1am

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justinh:

CNLiberal: optimise_mythdb.pl :)

[19:11:57]

CNLiberal:

hmm

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CNLiberal:

k

[19:12:23]

CNLiberal:

i just tried searching for that script, and couldn't find it

[19:12:27]

justinh:

or just plain old mysqlcheck -u mythtv -p$thepassword mythconverg ...

[19:12:47]

justinh:

CNLiberal: ubunuts? /usr/share/doc/mythtv IIRC

[19:12:49]

CNLiberal:

well, mythweb comes up, but there are no recordings listed in the db

[19:12:55]

AndyCap:

speaking of gyration, wonder if the deep discount on the remotes are gone.

[19:13:01]

justinh:

mythweb has a db check feature :)

[19:13:11]

CNLiberal:

there are no new recordings in the recordings directory

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: you can use the metadata scrapers from within mythweb?

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justinh:

CNLiberal: check the database first

[19:13:29]

CNLiberal:

New as in, new past the array failure

[19:13:30]

CNLiberal:

k

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, aye

[19:14:02]

justinh:

CNLiberal: the recordings probably haven't been happening because the scheduler has become temporarily confused

[19:14:09]

CNLiberal:

i get this error in recording program detail

[19:14:09]

CNLiberal:

http://pastebin.com/m3dccc106

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CNLiberal:

k

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justinh:

check/repair the DB, then run mythbackend --resched

[19:14:38]

** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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justinh:

whoops

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kormoc:

seems like I forgot to sanitize something there...

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spoiler:

guten abend zusammen

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justinh:

#mythtv-de ?

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CNLiberal:

i can't remember the damn password for the DB

[19:16:29]

CNLiberal:

Mythbuntu 8.04

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justinh:

CNLiberal: look for mysql.txt :)

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justinh:

that should have it

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CNLiberal:

k...thanks

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justinh:

or config.xml

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spoiler:

thanks

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CNLiberal:

that's a wacky password

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justinh:

I'd have half a mind to just set the mysql password to mythtv by default rather than randomise it by default. you can only protect users from themselves for so long

[19:18:19]

justinh:

ah screw it. I'm not waiting for these stupid mix cds to finish ripping. they're scratched so they can go in the bin!

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justinh:

'mixed by Judge Jules'... mixed by a guy on a COMPUTER more like. Pfft

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justinh:

keep the case though :)

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CNLiberal:

justinh: checkign DB now

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CNLiberal:

mysql check fixed some tables

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CNLiberal:

then i ran mythbackend --resched

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justinh:

and? upcoming recordings now showing up?

[19:21:40]

CNLiberal:

no

[19:21:53]

justinh:

is the EPG in good shape?

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CNLiberal:

Appears to be fine

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justinh:

probably worth running mythfilldatabase if you use xmltv

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CNLiberal:

i live in Illinois

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CNLiberal:

so i'm running Schedules Direct

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justinh:

right, so that'll run whenever

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CNLiberal:

but

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CNLiberal:

i'm getting this error under RECORDING SCHEUDLES, when i look at a scheduled recording

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CNLiberal:

http://pastebin.com/m3dccc106

[19:23:22]

CNLiberal:

and there's another one like it just below

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justinh:

ouch

[19:23:38]

CNLiberal:

this is under RECORDING GROUP

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justinh:

I might be tempted to restore a backup of the database from before the array went bonk if I were you

[19:24:07]

CNLiberal:

unfortunately, i only grab nightly backups of the DB

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justinh:

or is this one of those hard knock lessons/

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justinh:

nightly is better than not at all

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CNLiberal:

which means, that last nights backup is borked too

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justinh:

oops

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justinh:

nothing from before that?

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CNLiberal:

i don't know how to grab 7 nights

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CNLiberal:

don't think so

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justinh:

I use automysqlbackup.sh which takes daily snapshots then tars em up every week :)

[19:25:08]

CNLiberal:

let me check webmin

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CNLiberal:

where did u get that script?

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CNLiberal:

and i take it u use cron to schedule it?

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justinh:

always have at least 7 days worth of db backups

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justinh:

yup

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CNLiberal:

that's what i wanted to do

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justinh:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=au . . . ch&meta=

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justinh:

it's easy to set up. must be. I did it

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CNLiberal:

ha

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justinh:

oops. come to think of it, I've not set it up on my new install! :-O

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CNLiberal:

would it be possible for me to pull out tables from the DB and dump them into the new DB?

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CNLiberal:

specifically,

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mchou:

CNLiberal: yup

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justinh:

CNLiberal: recorded, maybe

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CNLiberal:

i want to pull out the MythVideos tables

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justinh:

possibly

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CNLiberal:

i don't care about recorded

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justinh:

depends what shape they're in

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mchou:

that's no problem

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[Peter]:

hm, anyone knows if the vdpau output uses "studio levels" (16–235) or full range (0–255)?

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CNLiberal:

i have all my DVDs on my bakend

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CNLiberal:

and i don't want to go through every movie and point it back to the cover art and re-download the plots etc

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mchou:

CNLiberal: google "mysql load data infile"

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justinh:

well, does the mythvideo bit work in mythweb?

[19:29:00]

justinh:

that'll give you some indication of the shape the data is in

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mchou:

CNLiberal: there are other ways too, some easier than others

[19:29:46]

CNLiberal:

justinh: let me look

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CNLiberal:

yikes

[19:30:14]

CNLiberal:

"could not create symlink" error

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mchou:

CNLiberal: creating temporary tables is probably the easiest way.....

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CNLiberal:

damnit

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CNLiberal:

good thing i took vacation this week

[19:31:14]

mchou:

lol

[19:31:24]

mchou:

vacation to mess with mythbox

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CNLiberal:

crap...this means i'll have to go through the front end and document all my vid/audio settings

[19:31:35]

mchou:

you have misplaced priorities

[19:31:47]

CNLiberal:

i was forced to take vacation

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CNLiberal:

"Use it or Lose it"

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mchou:

doesnt mean you have to use it for myth

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justinh:

dump the whole database out, then maybe you can import them into a 'safe' database & see what it all looks like

[19:32:37]

CNLiberal:

:-(

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CNLiberal:

it's probably worth it to start from scratch

[19:33:23]

CNLiberal:

so i don't re-import any corrupted tables

[19:33:27]

CNLiberal:

F-Bomb

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mchou:

There is no need to start from scratch

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CNLiberal:

ok

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CNLiberal:

so how do i proceed? I don't know all the commands to do this

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mchou:

you might as well figure this out so when this stuff happens again you know what to do

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CNLiberal:

true

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mchou:

mysqlclient cli is your friend

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mchou:

so are the mysql documentation pages

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mchou:

already told you about "load data infile"

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mchou:

from that page you should get enough pointers what to do next

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justinh:

I've become a wuss. installing gcrontab

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justinh:

wth is synaptic doing? went to close it & my HDD is being thrashed

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CNLiberal:

what should i do about this? "#145 – Table './mythconverg/recorded' is marked as crashed and should be repaired"

[19:41:30]

keith4_:

so... if I want to re-record a few things that were auto-expired, how would I do that?

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justinh:

keith4_: look at 'previously recorded programs'

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CNLiberal:

i got that when trying to view that table in PHPMyAdmin

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keith4_:

justinh: where?

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justinh:

CNLiberal: try mysqlcheck on it

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justinh:

keith4_: in mythfrontend

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jams:

keith4- it's under manage recordings

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keith4_:

justinh: ok, i see it. how do I set it to re-record, though?

[19:44:06]

keith4_:

it doesn't seem to be a menu choice

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CNLiberal:

justinh: I got this when I ran mysqlcheck http://pastebin.com/m52834b18

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CNLiberal:

ok....let's say that the rest of my DB is fine (it appears to be that way because i see no other errors in mysqlcheck)

[19:45:59]

CNLiberal:

how can i just write over the mythconverg.recorded table

[19:46:11]

CNLiberal:

i just want to import a new, blank, uncorrupted table

[19:46:34]

CNLiberal:

first, where do i get such a thing, second, how do i remove the old table, third, how do i import the new blank table?

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CNLiberal:

looks like i'm gonna be googling

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wagnerrp:

theyre remaking Escape from New York?

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KungFuJesus:

hello, does anyone know how to do deinterlacing in mplayer via vdpau?

[20:04:48]

KungFuJesus:

if it comes down to it I'll force software deinterlacing, but I'd rather not

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wagnerrp:

well you cant force software deinterlacing with vdpau

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wagnerrp:

not unless mplayer has made some painfully complex advancements

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KungFuJesus:

well then how do I turn it on for vdpau?

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wagnerrp:

last i used mplayer, it did not have deinterlace support

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KungFuJesus:

yeah it does...

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KungFuJesus:

dude have you been under a rock?

[20:07:01]

KungFuJesus:

lol

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wagnerrp:

i mean for vdpau

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mchou:

lol

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KungFuJesus:

oh ok

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KungFuJesus:

yeah, -vf

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wagnerrp:

although last time i used it was back in early december

[20:07:49]

wagnerrp:

things may have changed in the last two months

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mchou:

KungFuJesus: yu chan always try Shift-D

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KungFuJesus:

what does shift-D do?

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mchou:

deinterlace (with xvmc)

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KungFuJesus:

hmm, maybe it will work

[20:11:22]

KungFuJesus:

it seems like it may already by trying to, but some of my interlaced content tears ridiculously

[20:11:34]

KungFuJesus:

some of the 1080i content does so so

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KungFuJesus:

and of course 1080p is like a dream

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU tends to tear... a lot...

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KungFuJesus:

it's supposed to, it's interlaced video

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KungFuJesus:

outputting to a progressive display just does that inherently

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

outputting interlaced content on a progressive screen causes combing

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KungFuJesus:

my progressive scan stuff is perfectly fine

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KungFuJesus:

ahhh, yeah well I'm getting some combing, the tearing went away by disabling composite support

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wagnerrp:

tearing is where you push an update to screen in between two video frames

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wagnerrp:

top half of the screen is one frame, bottom half is the next frame

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JEDIDIAH__:

what's the current trunk protocol version?

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CNLiberal:

well i'm a pretty happy guy

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CNLiberal:

i had an old (2007) mythconverg db

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CNLiberal:

so i exported the 'recorded' table

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CNLiberal:

then deleted my 'recorded' from the current db

[20:28:26]

CNLiberal:

imported 'recorded' and ran a mythfilldatabase

[20:28:35]

CNLiberal:

now i have "Upcoming Recordings"

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CNLiberal:

i just hope that the table structure for that table hasn't changed since 22 Sept 2008

[20:29:05]

CNLiberal:

*2007

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jduggan:

evening justinh

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justinh:

it is indeed evening jduggan :(

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CNLiberal:

it's 2:30

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CNLiberal:

pm

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CNLiberal:

for me at least

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justinh:

er :) I mean

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CNLiberal:

:-)

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CNLiberal:

could anyone do me a favor and do an export of their .21 'recorded' tables and send it to me?

[20:32:45]

CNLiberal:

the version i imported to me DB is from .20.2

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tank-man:

playing directly with the db == bad news

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tank-man:

if you don't know what you are doing

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CNLiberal:

true, but the old 'recorded' table fixed mythweb

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CNLiberal:

but, i think i'm missing some items in that table cuz it's from .20.2

[20:35:34]

CNLiberal:

so if i could get a copy of .21 'recorded' table, i'd probably be ok

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gbee:

what is this? #mplayer ?

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CNLiberal:

no takers for the 'recorded' table?

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CNLiberal:

i've implemented a backup script from the WIKI

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CNLiberal:

seems to be working

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justinh:

ffs had the dog out on a 5 mile walk not 2 hours ago. wants to be out for a squit again

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CNLiberal:

justinh: Could you help me and do an export of your 'recorded' table in your mythconverg DB?

[21:02:34]

CNLiberal:

i did it through PHPMyAdmin

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justinh:

sorry, am busy doing other stuff

[21:03:34]

CNLiberal:

k

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CNLiberal:

np

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joe2371:

Do I need to do anything special when I have two identical cards that need to have firmware loaded? It seems that one card reports a firmware checksum mismatch, but the other does not.

[21:09:10]

justinh:

I'm musicbrainz' new bitch

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CNLiberal:

haha

[21:12:20]

CNLiberal:

justinh: I was going to re-org my music library this week

[21:12:32]

CNLiberal:

it's a big job, but needs to be done...i'm currently doing everything in a flat file

[21:12:33]

justinh:

y'know I didn't think I had so few albums, but by God I'm sick of the sight of them now

[21:12:35]

CNLiberal:

not very great

[21:12:56]

justinh:

the cd singles will take a hell of a lot of data entry :(

[21:13:30]

CNLiberal:

yikes

[21:13:47]

CNLiberal:

BTW...i think i found a DB backup that is from .21

[21:13:59]

CNLiberal:

which means i'll be able to pull out the recorded table and import into the new one

[21:14:02]

CNLiberal:

let's hope it works

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justinh:

right. wife's back from babysitting, so I'll walk the dog quick, and scoot back ready for spending the rest of this Feb 14th in style

[21:14:58]

justinh:

have fun.. don't do anything I'd do

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iamlindoro__:

drunk, naked, and not entirely certain where you live?

[21:16:00]

CNLiberal:

wait...where do i liev?

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CNLiberal:

see...that's the drunk coming out

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nikosapi:

hello, what is the proper method to remove commercials from recordings? I already have flagging on (and it works) but I'd like to remove the commercials to save disk space.

[21:19:35]

nikosapi:

From what I can see, most people have some hacky scripts that take care of it, but I was looking for a more "official" solution...

[21:19:59]

CNLiberal:

isn't the only way to transcode?

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mchou:

nikosapi: lossless transcode

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CNLiberal:

yep...there ya go

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mchou:

nikosapi: yoou can do that straight from myth UI

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nikosapi:

automatically?

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mchou:

yup

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nikosapi:

cool, I'll look into that

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mchou:

if you trust automatic commercial flagging

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nikosapi:

I do, it works quite well on a majority of the shows that I record

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joe2371:

So if I have two identical cards installed, I shouldn't need to do anything special to get their firmware to install into both cards? It seems that in my case, the encoder firmware loads only for the second card.

[21:27:44]

CNLiberal:

ok, i do have another question about mythweb

[21:27:59]

CNLiberal:

i click on the MythVideo icon and get an error

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CNLiberal:

Error Could not create a symlink to /storage/mythvideo, the local MythVideo directory for this hostname (mythbackend). Please create a symlink to your MythVideo directory at data/video in order to use the video portions of MythWeb.

[21:28:29]

joe2371:

Looks like its a firmware pointer that is uninitialized.

[21:29:09]

mbreum:

Hey. I am trying to get the tv guide working with my hauppage nova DVB-T card.

[21:29:10]

mbreum:

I configured an xmltv-grabber, associated the listing to the card input – and did a channel scan on the card. Now I have two entries for each channel in the channel editor, one with a channel number and one without it.

[21:29:10]

mbreum:

With an analog card (pvr-500) i merged the tuning frequency info to the channel provided by mythfill and deleted the autoscanned channel, but there is no frequency screen when editing an entry in the channel list.

[21:29:10]

mbreum:

How do I specify which listings channel is which dvb-channel?

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mchou:

joe2371: which card do you have?

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joe2371:

mchou: blackbirds. It looks like reloading the module may have helped. The firmware has loaded, but now it looks like something else may be wrong because I don't get any channels on the card in question.

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mchou:

joe2371: how did you determine that?

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joe2371:

mchou: I did a channel scan on video4 when video3 wouldn't load the firmware (so says dmesg), and I got several channels. Now after reloading cx88_blackbird, I see in dmesg that both cx88[0] (video3) and cx88[1] (video4) have "Firmware upload successfull". But video3 finds 0 channels, it seems. And I am unable to switch to its input.

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joe2371:

Hmm... I wonder if I have a bad piece of co-ax... /me swaps it out...

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joe2371:

I wonder if the problem is that for unamplified OTA split to these two cards, when only one card had its firmware loaded, the impedance was different somehow such that that one card got better reception. But with both cards loaded, now the newly loaded card doesn't get a strong enough signal do detect any channels. Either that or the card still hasn't been initialized successfully. Or else it's a bad card.

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joe2371:

I'll try rebooting the BE to see if that gets me anywhere...

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joe2371:

After the reboot, now neither card's firmware has loaded. :-/

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joe2371:

I believe there is a test MPEG that has to be sent to the card to initialize it. I wonder if that is only being sent to the second card, for some reason. After reloading the modules, I still have cx88[1] working, and cx88[0] unable to tune anything.

[22:30:39]

joe2371:

Doh! I bet I have an IRQ conflict. I see that my USB mouse and keyboard on the BE are not working.

[22:33:46]

joe2371:

Well, a resource conflict of some kind, anyway. Yeah, no USB at all on this box now for some reason. :-( I'll have a look at by kernel and BIOS configurations.

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindora: I have just submitted an update to my thetvdb.com grabber. Details: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6242 it resolves many of the issues with my first version. If you have time please check out the new "-o" (override) option.

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RDV_Linux:

It should enhance automated scripts like a mover while resolving differences between thetvdb.com naming conventions and what MythTV passed in %TITLE% and %SUBTITLE%.

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