Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, February 11th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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iamlindoro:

laga, So they'll have a machine call you at 5 after the hour, 15 after, 25, etc. etc.

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laga:

iamlindoro: restraining order FTW

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iamlindoro:

laga, What most american's don't know is you can just pick up and tell them that they must communicate with you via mail from that point on

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iamlindoro:

er americans

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iamlindoro:

and they must comply

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iamlindoro:

but since most people don't know that...

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iamlindoro:

they generally manage to bully people into major anxiety

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sphery:

So, the worst one ever was a 3:30am call I got on the day after Thanksgiving... "The <store name removed to protect the guilty> Black Friday sale starts in 1 hour. This is your wake up call for savings."

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sphery:

I /never/ signed up for such a notice. Probably the world's stupides marketing idea.

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iamlindoro:

"Police arrested a man near the U.S. Capitol on Tuesday after he drove up to one of the building's barricades with a rifle in his vehicle and told officers that he had a delivery for President Obama, a Senate spokesman said."

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iamlindoro:

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh

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iamlindoro:

never mind the poor execution of that little attempt, that's just ignorance of basic civics... he don't *work here*, man.

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sphery:

heh

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mzb_d800:

is there (conceivably) enough info in the database to determine if a recording is part of a series?

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sphery:

mzb_d800: depends where you're at

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mzb_d800:

.au with shepherd

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sphery:

there's no standard for reporting that info, though

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iamlindoro:

mzb_d800, Here in the US we have Seriesid, which is a unique value per-series

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iamlindoro:

but I know shepherd is a bit podged together so I don't know if you guys do

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mzb_d800:

I've noticed seriesID, but it seems to be all over the place

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mzb_d800:

yeah, shepherd is a wonder of modern hackery ;)

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iamlindoro:

all over the places would be okay so long as they're unique per series

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sphery:

seriesid is a value chosen by producers of the show

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mzb_d800:

err, ahh ... ok

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sphery:

programid is supposed to be standardized on a per-grabber basis

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** mzb_d800 dives into the db **

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sphery:

though sometimes programid isn't different for multipart shows, like mini-series (at least here in the US with SD/TMS data)

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mzb_d800:

I'm working on a script that autocrops, compresses (at a level for a particular type of show), and then put's the result into a particular directory (eg: Documentaries, Series, Movies)

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mzb_d800:

got most of it working, but knowing if it's a series or not would be very helpful

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sphery:

well, for SD data, there's a pattern to programid's that allows determining if a show is part of a series

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sphery:

for your down-under data, I don't know if that's the case

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mzb_d800:

interesting

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mzb_d800:

pattern?

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mzb_d800:

ah, EP#, MV*

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sphery:

right

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mzb_d800:

so is there a way of looking up the seriesID somewhere?

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sphery:

thetvdb.com?

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mzb_d800:

ok, thanks

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sphery:

just guessing on that... might not have that kind of info

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... Fawlty Towers ... no programid (for eg)

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iamlindoro:

Don't think they have it

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mzb_d800:

SeriesID: 154724195

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mzb_d800:

that's going to make it harder :|

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sphery:

day dreaming... they should have a seriesid regexp there for splitting the seriesid into season/episode numbers...

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iamlindoro:

sphery, except production number and airing number often disagree

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sphery:

then grabbers could look that up and use it to split apart the producer-specified seriesid...

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owenscorning:

anyone know if its possible to tune mythtv into dish network receiver? like right now dish shows up on my tv as channel 60

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sphery:

that is true

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iamlindoro:

sphery, EG, *sigh* Dollhouse

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iamlindoro:

(three days, set your DVRs)

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sphery:

owenscorning: you /have/ to have a DISH receiver connected into an analog capture card in a Myth box

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mzb_d800:

ah well, I guess I'm one step close either way ... if a programID starts with EP then it

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mzb_d800:

's a series

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sphery:

owenscorning: but you can do that and it's not too difficult to control the dish receivers with LIRC and an IR transmitter: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DISHNetworkLIRCConfiguration

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mzb_d800:

and if MV, then it's a movie .... that'll help

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sphery:

mzb_d800: that won't be standard across the globe, but if it works for you...

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mzb_d800:

it's better than nothing ... so will have to do

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owenscorning:

sphery: I have the hauppage wintv-hvr-1250 (model 1196) and it says it supposed NTSC Analog ?

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mzb_d800:

(atm it get's shoved into Movies if unknown, but also influences the compression "profile" chosen)

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iamlindoro:

ewwwwwwwww framgrabber

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iamlindoro:

framegrabber, that is

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sphery:

iamlindoro: does the analog side of that card work, yet?

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iamlindoro:

it's just a v4l card

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iamlindoro:

and AFAIK it does, not that I've ever used the framegrabberyness on mine

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iamlindoro:

crw-rw----+ 1 root video 81, 0 2009-02–04 22:14 /dev/video0

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iamlindoro:

yep, works

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mzb_d800:

I've also got it so that a recording in the movie recording group becomes an iso, but a _movie_ (not in the movie recording group) get medium compression avi (and autocropped)

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mzb_d800:

so the MV/EP thing helps (a little more)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Just thought about something w/r/t the SG move code

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iamlindoro:

sphery, it'll need to be able to create a directory too

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sphery:

Yeah, that shouldn't be a problem.

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sphery:

hardest part of that is the UI

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owenscorning:

how do I tell mythtv to preset to a certain channel? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=373512 says its under input selections in mythtv setup but I dont see that option

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iamlindoro:

Holy.... SI Swimsuit issue... no swimsuits, body paint only

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sphery:

ghost of owenscorning: don't use RF modulated ("coax" for those who don't know what they're talking about) output, use S-Video or Composite

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mzb_d800:

iamlindoro: hope they're using water-based paint ;)

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iamlindoro:

mzb_d800, That was definitely not the thought that crossed my mind ;)

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mzb_d800:

heh

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jdahm:

Hi, I have a wintv hvr 1250 and I use comcast cable without the cable box, is this atsc or dvb?

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mchou:

jdahm:dvb

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mchou:

clear qam really

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jdahm:

mchou: so I've been reading a lot about this card and it seems people have hit-or-miss luck with it. I'm trying to scan right now and I'm getting a lot of?

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jdahm:

s/?/:/

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jdahm:

>>> tune to: 447000000:QAM_256

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jdahm:

WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!

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mchou:

jdahm: that's normal

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jdahm:

like that. Is that ok or should I not be scanning like that?

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jdahm:

ok

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mchou:

jdahm: but I wouldnt use myth to scan for channels

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jdahm:

mchou: yeah I'm just using "scan"

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mchou:

the internal scanner has "issues"

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jdahm:

and I just copy the output to channels.conf right?

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mchou:

yup

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mchou:

and you imprt into myth db

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mchou:

and do some fancy massaging of the db....

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mzb_d800:

can't you just import the channels.conf into mythtv-setup?

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jdahm:

I was going to start out with something more simple than mythtv

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mzb_d800:

(if you have a problem with the internal scanner)

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jdahm:

but I thought this would be a good channel to ask in :P

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mchou:

mplayer dvb://channame works :)

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jdahm:

I was going to try kaffeine

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jdahm:

mplayer is good though too

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jdahm:

mchou: ~/.channels.conf?

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mchou:

depends what app you use :)

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mchou:

~/.appname/channels.conf

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jdahm:

mchou: I'm also getting a lot of time outs...

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jdahm:

is that ok?

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mchou:

that's ok

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mchou:

time outs just means it didnt detect a stream

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mchou:

which would be the case if the channel didnt have any data

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gravyflex:

Hello

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jdahm:

mchou: hrm it's playing really slowly in mplayer

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mchou:

that's probably cause you dont have a beefy cpu

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mchou:

moare juice is required unless you have xvmc or vdpau

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jdahm:

mchou: I have a althon 5000+ xp dual core and an nvidia 8600GT

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jdahm:

oops thats 64 bit btw

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mchou:

5000+ should be fast enough

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mchou:

frys should put that LE-1640 and mobo combo back on sale for $60

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mchou:

that was a scrreaming deal

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mchou:

I think they panicked after xmas/new years in terms of pricing....

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mchou:

now prices are back to their "high" levels

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gravyflex:

I am seeking some help in figuring out why I am getting this error when compiling mythtv > http://pastebin.ca/1333325

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iamlindoro:

appears your distro likely packages the qt opengl module seperately, and you have not installed it

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gravyflex:

@iamlindoro: Thanks that did the trick

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iamlindoro:

you are welcome, good luck

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iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6249

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iamlindoro:

???

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clever:

just replace mythbackend with mythjobqueue in the backend init script

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clever:

solved! :P

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danny_mk:

good day

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danny_mk:

one question: On a separate frontend and backend setup. How does the frontend play the videos under /storage/video? Does it mount the backend /storage/video to the local system?

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danny_mk:

does it stream the content?

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iamlindoro:

recordings are streamed, MythVideo videos must be network mounted in the same location on all systems

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danny_mk:

that should be an FAQ

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danny_mk:

thank you.

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iamlindoro:

It's in the manual :)

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iamlindoro:

you are welcome

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danny_mk:

really?

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iamlindoro:

yep

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danny_mk:

using nfs?

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iamlindoro:

The fact taht it needs to be network mounted in the same location on each frontend

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iamlindoro:

"All video files must be readable as part of the local filesystem. This means if you have a separate frontends and backends, you must share the the directories remotely as described in Mediashares (perhaps with NFS). "

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danny_mk:

alright, again, thank you for your help, RTFM

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danny_mk:

darn

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iamlindoro:

:)

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iamlindoro:

you are welcome

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justinh:

that's better. now grip isn't stripping all those nice characters from the filenames

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** iamlindoro gives justinh some warm milk **

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justinh:

i_can_t_stand_the_way_it_names_files_by_default

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mikeones:

anyone here running google's spindown on there NFS server drives? Will spindown work when clients have the drive mounted?

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iamlindoro:

since other spin down utilities work fine with NFS, I'll hazard a guess that Google's variant will as well

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iamlindoro:

You'll need to wait a bit longer on an NFS transfer when you need to spin back up, but outside of that, you should be fine

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mikeones:

iamlindoro: That sould be fine since I am just using it for movies and pictures ect.

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mikeones:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

np, good luck

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sphery:

mikeones: might want to use "Time to record before start of show (in seconds)" to ensure the disks have time to spin up before the recording starts (as that's exactly the type of thing that setting is for)

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sphery:

While I know what he meant, it's not what he said: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6249

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iamlindoro:

Beat you to that by an hour or two ;)

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sphery:

but would it be a matter of s/mythbackend/mythjobqueue/ to the mythbackend start script

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iamlindoro:

and clever beat you to that :)

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sphery:

d'oh

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sphery:

just noticed

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sphery:

Just because I have to fix it... "Not too long ago someone on the list mentioned that running a backend without tuners is unsupported; the proper configuration is to run mythjobqueue."

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sphery:

then it makes sense

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sphery:

the sad part, though, is that init scripts are inherently distro-specific (or at least each distro expects different things of them)

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** iamlindoro imagines the "Invalid" closing is a big red rubber stamp **

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iamlindoro:

Fun

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iamlindoro:

UGH

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** iamlindoro punches ABC repeatedly **

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iamlindoro:

Why can they do NOTHING right?

[03:09:18]

sphery:

what did they cancel, now?

[03:09:22]

jamesd:

iamlindoro, can't be worse than NBC and the new trump show...

[03:09:32]

iamlindoro:

I *finally* get caught up on Life on Mars, and the mid-season cliffhanger is this MAJOR cliffhanger

[03:09:46]

iamlindoro:

like "go down into the basement *BLACK*" cliffhanger

[03:09:55]

iamlindoro:

and then the first one back.... DROPS THE PLOT POINT ENTIRELY

[03:10:08]

sphery:

nice

[03:10:11]

jamesd:

at least it has a plot

[03:10:17]

iamlindoro:

Ugh.

[03:10:23]

iamlindoro:

In other news, the show is fantastically good

[03:10:25]

jamesd:

that is something a lot of shows these days don't have at all

[03:10:31]

iamlindoro:

can't wait to see how they ruin it

[03:11:06]

iamlindoro:

Apparently, from some googling I am finding they aired episode 10 in place of episode 8

[03:11:08]

iamlindoro:

superb

[03:12:20]

sphery:

wow... glad that's on my "wait 'til the end of the season to start watching" list

[03:13:26]

iamlindoro:

apparently the resolution of that cliffhanger was last weeks episode (which I have not yet seen)

[03:13:29]

iamlindoro:

but lord, how stupid

[03:13:33]

sphery:

some of the best news I've heard... Reaper's second season premiere is getting moved up 2 weeks (to Mar 3)!

[03:15:10]

sphery:

Wow... NBC picked up a pilot for Jericho. Oh, wait, they're calling it Day One. :)

[03:15:15]

sphery:

http://www.tv.com/story/12241.html?ref_story_ . . . f_name=story

[03:18:27]

JackEStorm:

sphery: Lame on top of Lame rehashed wondwe

[03:18:34]

JackEStorm:

err Wonder

[03:18:58]

sphery:

Yeah, I liked Wonder Years, but I don't think they can redo it as well

[03:19:21]

JackEStorm:

I always thought of Jericho, as a weak Jerimiah

[03:19:33]

sphery:

never saw that one

[03:20:01]

JackEStorm:

Jerimiah is a JMS creation

[03:20:30]

sphery:

Jericho was interesting when it had promise, but after it got cancelled (the first time), I just couldn't believe it could do what it wanted to do (since I knew the 2nd season was pretty much bound to fail)

[03:22:04]

sphery:

I should be careful surfing tv.com... Read the byline for a "Lost--Video podcast" story and it told me something I'm not supposed to know, yet (haven't started this season)

[03:22:15]

JackEStorm:

never watched Jericho, the previews made me think of Jerimiah, and I never looked back

[03:23:28]

sphery:

it's good you didn't get invested in it

[03:23:33]

JackEStorm:

just like Dead Like Me, I've seen 2 sofar that try to rip from that, and it's not the same...

[03:24:14]

mzb_d800:

the built-in transcoding jobs enable the user to check progress (% and frame rate) on the info page ... how is it possible to get a user-script to provide this info?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: rumor has it that Fox is moving into the cyber age... http://www.tv.com/dollhouse/show/75224/videos . . . episode_clip Rather than wait for the first 9 episodes of Dollhouse to air, they're going to cancel it after the 5th (next) web clip is released.

[03:24:51]

Gumby:

lol

[03:24:57]

Gumby:

oops

[03:25:02]

Gumby:

window lost focus

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JackEStorm:

sphery: thats fox

[03:25:21]

JackEStorm:

Gumby: no the lol was well placed

[03:25:39]

Gumby:

JackEStorm, excellent,... carry on

[03:25:44]

sphery:

JackEStorm: is Pushing Daisies one of those that "rip from [Dead Like Me]"? I still can't believe DLM could be better than Daisies.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, So release ~20% of the first episode on the web, then cancel?

[03:26:11]

sphery:

If it is I /definitely/ have to see DLM.

[03:26:24]

sphery:

sure, it's "the new Fox" :)

[03:26:29]

iamlindoro:

Dead Like Me is great-- but very different (and IMO not better than) Daisies

[03:27:40]

JackEStorm:

sphery: no thats Six feet Under rip (from HBO), I've been talking SHO

[03:27:55]

unimaginative:

I think my random shutdowns were definatly heat related. the heatsink on the northbridge/integrated GPU was laughable. It was designed to /imitate/ a heatpipe, but the heatpipe was not placed in a location to serve any purpose whatsoever.

[03:27:55]

sphery:

oh

[03:28:24]

JackEStorm:

iamlindoro: DLM, rocked!

[03:28:49]

iamlindoro:

Dead Like Me and Six feet under were totally different, don't see the comparison besides dead folks

[03:29:19]

iamlindoro:

But yes, DLM rocked

[03:29:25]

unimaginative:

I enjoyed Dead like Me. Chick was cute, and a decent concept

[03:29:28]

sphery:

unimaginative: I had a mobo that had a chipset with heat problems--even after replacing the HS/fan. It would fail once or twice every 2 months for a year. Replacing the mobo was the best $50 I ever spent.

[03:29:34]

JackEStorm:

iamlindoro_: sphery was talked about Pushing Daisies

[03:29:45]

sphery:

(failing MythTV master backend is not a good thing)

[03:30:17]

iamlindoro:

I liked Daisies more than Six Feet Under/Dead Like Me/etc. (There, now I've covered my bases)

[03:30:20]

unimaginative:

sphery, I just hope my new NB active heatsink will keep it stable.. I havent been able to get lm_sensors to monitor GPU/NB temp.

[03:30:30]

unimaginative:

sphery, http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx? . . . %20Heatsinks

[03:30:44]

sphery:

unimaginative: what mobo/chipset?

[03:31:23]

JackEStorm:

iamlindoro: Pd tried to be SFU, DLM, is still in a world of it's own

[03:31:32]

iamlindoro:

JackEStorm, I don't agree

[03:31:33]

unimaginative:

sphery, ASUS P5N7A-VM LGA 775 NVIDIA GeForce 9300/nForce 730i HDMI Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

[03:31:35]

** sphery hates that newegg's name server is so slow **

[03:31:41]

JackEStorm:

iamlindoro: really?

[03:31:48]

iamlindoro:

That's why I said it :)

[03:32:02]

iamlindoro:

I don't think PD was "trying to be" anything at all, least of all Six Feet Under

[03:32:11]

sphery:

unimaginative: I won't mention whose chipset was overheating for me, but I'm not at all suprised by your answer

[03:32:30]

unimaginative:

sphery, I think you just mentioned it :0

[03:32:31]

mchou:

haha

[03:32:40]

sphery:

my new mobo doesn't run green hot, anymore

[03:32:42]

mchou:

nvidia strikes again

[03:32:48]

iamlindoro:

unimaginative, sphery: Curious how I haven't had an issue with that board-- how's the airflow in your case?

[03:33:09]

iamlindoro:

unimaginative, I do have a case with a couple nice big fans, could be the difference in heat dispersal

[03:33:17]

unimaginative:

iamlindoro, I've got my mobo + a Q6600 in an Antec Fusion V2

[03:33:28]

unimaginative:

2 120mm fans on the side.

[03:33:33]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I had a different board and a different chipset (and no integrated GPU)--mine was from an earlier generation

[03:33:43]

iamlindoro:

unimaginative, ISTR they have variable speed fans? Any luck if you turn them up a bit?

[03:33:48]

sphery:

but it had something in common with that chipset

[03:33:57]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I'm speaking of unimaginative's 9300 mobo

[03:34:15]

unimaginative:

iamlindoro, three speed settingson the case fans, they were at 'low' and I brought them up to 'medium'

[03:34:24]

sphery:

yeah, didn't know if my statements made you think I had the same mobo

[03:34:31]

unimaginative:

'high' is excessively loud.

[03:35:00]

iamlindoro:

might be worth running it a bit at high and see if it helps, even if only for a test

[03:35:13]

sphery:

so, low, medium, and (with emphasis) Hello!

[03:35:16]

JackEStorm:

iamlindoro: see that boils down to personal taste..and what previews we saw and when.

[03:35:41]

iamlindoro:

JackEStorm, Previews? I watched both shows

[03:35:41]

sphery:

unimaginative: is the HS/Fan you linked the bad one or a new one?

[03:35:54]

unimaginative:

sphery, that's the new one i bought to replace

[03:36:12]

sphery:

cool... I've heard good things about Thermaltake

[03:36:17]

unimaginative:

sphery, here's the mobo. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131348

[03:36:31]

JackEStorm:

iamlindoro: PD teasers and previews that I saw had me thinking SFU ripp

[03:36:49]

iamlindoro:

JackEStorm, Ah-- if you haven't done so, it's really work seeing the show itself, it was fantastic

[03:36:51]

unimaginative:

you can get a somewhat decent closeup on the NB heatsink, but can't tell that the heat pipe does NOTHING

[03:37:33]

JackEStorm:

iamlindoro: then I will

[03:37:42]

unimaginative:

sphery, Here's the case I have that mobo in. http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129131

[03:37:57]

iamlindoro:

JackEStorm, They're very different too, I think you'd be pleasantly surprised (and angry when you get to the end :) )

[03:38:17]

sphery:

yeah, looks like it's just extra copper for mass or aesthetics... should have fins or something to make it worthwhile

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unimaginative:

sphery, based on user reviews, I think that mobo has temperature sensing issues. people have been complaining about reading a relatively low NB temp but the heatsink is untouchable.

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JackEStorm:

iamlindoro: I will....now, what about Jericho, I got Jerimiah ripp from the previews, and teasers too

[03:40:31]

iamlindoro:

JackEStorm, There I can't tell you, I never watched either

[03:40:38]

unimaginative:

JackEStorm, I enjoyed Jericho throuraly.

[03:40:40]

iamlindoro:

well, I saw an episode or two of Jericho but didn't get sucked in

[03:40:41]

unimaginative:

(sp)

[03:41:18]

sphery:

it had promise, but it got a bit preachy by the end of Season 1. Season 2 never had a chance.

[03:41:58]

JackEStorm:

unimaginative: but did you see Jerimiah? ....see I really hate rehashes of story lines

[03:42:12]

unimaginative:

JackEStorm, I never heard of Jeimiah.

[03:42:21]

unimaginative:

stupid keyboard, Jerimiah.

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JackEStorm:

unimaginative: really? was on Showtime

[03:42:50]

sphery:

JackEStorm: You'd like Heroes. In 2 1/2 seasons (4 chapters), it's been 4 completely different shows...

[03:42:57]

unimaginative:

JackEStorm, that's probably why I didn't hear of it. I don't get Showtime.

[03:43:20]

JackEStorm:

sphery: I love heroes, not sure about the last few eps yet

[03:43:57]

sphery:

I don't know how much I like the disconnectedness of it... Each chapter is like starting a new series.

[03:44:11]

tank-man:

clear

[03:44:12]

iamlindoro:

except in each series, none of the actors can act

[03:44:24]

JackEStorm:

sphery: I don't like the glitch in Peter, thats it

[03:44:40]

sphery:

and either Hayden or Ali is asking to get out (and the NBC exec's don't want to let her)

[03:44:58]

iamlindoro:

I'd happily see ali larter killed

[03:44:59]

sphery:

(I think it's Ali, but it seems Hayden would have more options open if she left...)

[03:45:02]

iamlindoro:

oh, and her character too

[03:45:21]

sphery:

They've actually filmed a death scene for the character, just in case.

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iamlindoro:

they'll just leave another clone in reserve

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iamlindoro:

I like how they selectively forget that people are married/have children/etc.

[03:46:01]

sphery:

If the actress doesn't get to leave, they'll bring her back. And, yeah, for Ali it would be the 3rd triplet. For Hayden, it's the unkillable thing.

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sphery:

iamlindoro: He's a politician... Real politicians forget they're married/have children/etc... It's just being true to life.

[03:46:55]

iamlindoro:

most of them at least show up for a photo op :)

[03:47:01]

JackEStorm:

iamlindoro: I like how peter had a power, lost the ability to use it, then got another power...does not pake sense

[03:47:19]

JackEStorm:

and Ando, should beable to help Hero

[03:47:24]

iamlindoro:

JackEStorm, I like how there are only five powers to go around, in infinite variation/colors :)

[03:47:27]

sphery:

Yeah, but not cool that Hiro didn't get a power back.

[03:47:47]

iamlindoro:

"I shoot fire from my hands... in BLUE!"

[03:47:54]

iamlindoro:

"I shoot fire from my hands... in RED!"

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sphery:

that's electricity, silly

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sphery:

oh, the brother/sister

[03:48:04]

iamlindoro:

I'm a microwave!

[03:48:07]

sphery:

that is fire

[03:48:16]

JackEStorm:

sphery: we know that he does, else, 1st season didn't happen...and that is what I am worried about

[03:48:22]

iamlindoro:

I fly too!

[03:48:34]

iamlindoro:

I can get other people's powers, in *clightly* different ways!

[03:48:37]

iamlindoro:

slightly

[03:48:46]

iamlindoro:

We all see the future, but NO PUPILS!

[03:48:47]

sphery:

I did like how Villians tied into the happenings of Season 1

[03:49:09]

sphery:

yeah, what's up with Matt becoming a painting guy?

[03:49:25]

JackEStorm:

sphery: I think they will have Peter touch Siler, and thus......

[03:49:35]

JackEStorm:

ruin it for us all

[03:49:45]

sphery:

I guess reading minds wasn't TV enough (they forgot to make his ears turn purple when he listened to other people's thoughts)

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JackEStorm:

no the Matt Parkmen line makes sence

[03:50:35]

JackEStorm:

or is is Parkman

[03:50:48]

JackEStorm:

it's Parkman

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sphery:

so, just because he ate some dung in Africa, he can see the future... so was the African guy who could see the future actually a hero with the mutation or did he just get really hungry one day?

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JackEStorm:

I just want Daph, and Elle back

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sphery:

I'm thinking you just spoiled the show I plan to watch next (Monday's episode)...

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JackEStorm:

sphery: NO

[03:52:15]

sphery:

because only half of that statement makes sense to me... (the part about wanting Elle back)

[03:52:33]

sphery:

but Daphne is still on there

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JackEStorm:

sphery: where is Daph?

[03:52:58]

wagnerrp:

nothing like blaring your car stereo so loud at 11pm, that your thousand closest neighbors can hear it

[03:53:33]

wagnerrp:

i wasnt on my street, nor on the street to either side of me, so i have no idea where it was coming from

[03:53:58]

elg:

i can't figure out why autoexpire sporadically fails to work

[03:54:09]

sphery:

You're talking Daphne Millbrook, the speedster, right? She's still listed on credits.

[03:54:17]

sphery:

And I remember her from 2 weeks ago

[03:54:22]

sphery:

elg: fails how?

[03:54:24]

elg:

every time i think it's fixed, and i watch it expire something... a day or two later the disk fills up and it hasn't even tried to expire

[03:54:42]

wagnerrp:

is Jeremiah that show that SciFi picked up for reruns?

[03:54:47]

sphery:

and your recording rules are set to allow auto-expire?

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JackEStorm:

sphery: yeah, I haven't seen her in weeks

[03:55:00]

wagnerrp:

has Leo Huxtable in it

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elg:

just now for example, it filled up completely. i checked the logs and though it has been giving messages like this regularly: 2009-02–10 20:49:35.067 AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 5.0 GB w/freq: 15 min

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elg:

it hasn't tried to expire anything since two days ago

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JackEStorm:

wagnerrp: yes, and over filtered, and pulled a FOX Firefly on

[03:55:52]

sphery:

JackEStorm: I remember seeing her very briefly just before Matt started drawing...

[03:56:02]

elg:

when stuff is recording, it goes to 7G at 10 minutes, which seems sensible

[03:56:06]

elg:

but it doesn't actually *do* it

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JackEStorm:

sphery: I missed that then

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sphery:

elg: it won't autoexpire until it records, and it will only expire shows that are marked to allow expiration (which necessarily includes shows in the Deleted recgroup)

[03:57:24]

elg:

myth is the only app using this partition

[03:57:29]

elg:

if it fills it up, it's recording

[03:57:39]

JackEStorm:

thing one we know, Hiro gets the scar on his face and goes back in time to tell Peter to save the cheerleader.

[03:57:44]

elg:

and i have gobs of shows that are eligible for autoexpiration

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JackEStorm:

yes Peter with a scar on his face tries to kill Nathan

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JackEStorm:

s/yes/yet/

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elg:

a recording is about to start, and there's 3.9 gigs free

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elg:

2009-02–10 21:00:03.224 AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 6.0 GB w/freq: 15 min

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sphery:

elg: any messages about "not expiring..."

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elg:

there were several days ago, and I fixed those

[04:00:52]

elg:

haven't been any complaints of that sort in 2 days now

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sphery:

elg: then, I'd recommend running with log options to see what's happening: mythbackend -v important,general,file

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sphery:

that should tell you exactly what's happening and why

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elg:

ok i'll give that a try

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sphery:

good luck

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elg:

hm, it's definitely trying to find something to expire, but it says it finds nothing to expire

[04:14:31]

elg:

but all the stuff it lists, is to my knowledge eligible

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wagnerrp:

looks like the NBC digital feed kicked offline last night during the big bang theory

[04:26:32]

elg:

sphery: http://pastebin.ca/1333600 is a paste of a section of my logs

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elg:

it looks to me like it's finding stuff to expire, but then not expiring it

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elg:

hmmmm, maybe it's the priority weight setting. could it get "bonus points" to where shows aren't eligible for expiration?

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wagnerrp:

theres an article on slashdot comparing a 4W intel chip to a 20W via chip

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wagnerrp:

surprise! the via chip wins

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sphery:

elg: you'll have to go to the individual episodes and select INFO|Storage Options|Enable Auto Expire (if it says, "Disable" instead of "Enable", it's already marked to allow auto-expire)

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sphery:

elg: you may also want to check the Information Center|System Status|AutoExpire List to make sure there are actually shows in there...

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elg:

hmm, this is odd

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sphery:

wagnerrp: did it win on both performance /and/ power usage (i.e. when factoring in chipset?)

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elg:

i go to an episode and choose storage options and i see a greyed out box that says "disable autoexpire"

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elg:

all are this way

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wagnerrp:

sphery: well i cant in good conscience stand up for the 945 chipset

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sphery:

greyed out... it's not in the LiveTV or Deleted recording group, is it?

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elg:

the system status screen says 61 recordings consuming 78 gigabytes are allowed to expire

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elg:

no, these are normal recordings

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elg:

that i would expect to be able to expire

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elg:

ah, now it's doing something. maybe going into that screen was enough to knock some sense into it

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elg:

and that button though grayed out lets me toggle it between enabled and disabled

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elg:

hm, no i spoke too soon. it said it was going to delete something but that was just a brief live tv segment

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elg:

still not expiring

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sphery:

elg: what do you get in mysql with: SELECT DISTINCT hostname FROM recorded;

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sphery:

And, I'm guessing that gwythaint is your master backend?

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elg:

+-----------+

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elg:

| hostname |

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elg:

+-----------+

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elg:

| gwythaint |

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elg:

+-----------+

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elg:

1 row in set (0.00 sec)

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elg:

yes

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elg:

and frontend

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sphery:

how about (just the answer--no table required :)--SELECT hostname, storagegroup, basename FROM recorded WHERE chanid = 1071 AND starttime = '2008-12–22 19:30:00';

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elg:

I think I see it

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elg:

yes, that's what i just saw. I have an old storage group also named Default

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elg:

from another (now gone) backend

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elg:

no recordings refer to it, can I just delete it?

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sphery:

Default has to exist

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sphery:

use mythtv-setup to edit the Storage Groups

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sphery:

or are you saying you have a directory in the Default storage group that doesn't exist (that's not a problem and won't cause this issue)

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elg:

well I have two defaults

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elg:

no, two storage groups named Default

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sphery:

so, you have a Default that has a different hostname?

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elg:

yes

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sphery:

if so, you can just: DELETE FROM storagegroup WHERE hostname = 'othername';

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elg:

the answer to that query above, is gwythaint, Default, 1071_20081222193000.nuv

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sphery:

but the extra host's storage group shouldn't cause this problem

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elg:

ok

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sphery:

and can you pastebin: SELECT * FROM storagegroup;

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sphery:

i.e. http://pastebin.ca/

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elg:

one entry, 11, Default, gwythaint, /av/myth-dummy

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sphery:

and: ls -l /av/myth-dummy/1071_20081222193000*

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sphery:

(now in shell, as you may have guessed)

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elg:

indeed

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elg:

http://pastebin.ca/1333623

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sphery:

I'm guessing the backend is now running as fugalh?

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elg:

no, but the frontend does

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elg:

the directory is g+w mythtv and fugalh is in that group

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sphery:

backend as mythtv user?

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elg:

yes

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sphery:

ls -ld /av/myth-dummy

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elg:

drwxrwxr-x 3 mythtv mythtv 12288 2009-02–10 21:47 /av/myth-dummy/

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wagnerrp:

the end of the world has been moved back until September

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sphery:

hope that doesn't mean that's when the new Terminator movie comes out

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wagnerrp:

nah, activation of the LHC

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sphery:

oh, cool... So I'll get to see the movie before the mini black hole swallows us.

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wagnerrp:

well you know... it will be several months after they create the black hole before it actually causes any damage

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wagnerrp:

it has to drop down to the earth's core, and feed on molten iron for long enough for the planet to become structurally unstable

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elg:

well, it just expired a bunch of stuff. i have no idea why, i didn't change anything (except deleting that other storage group in mysql, but that was some minutes ago and it had tried expiring since then and failed)

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sphery:

elg: yeah, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't expire stuff when it needs to.

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sphery:

We'll cross our fingers and hope for the best for you.

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elg:

thanks for the help

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I didn't realize that. I thought it was just suck us all directly into it.

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wagnerrp:

just because its a black hole doesnt mean it has any more gravity than the matter that created it

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sphery:

I can't wait to see the Armageddon 2 movie where they send Bruce Willis down to the center of the earth with a bunch of molten iron mined from an iron-rich asteroid to restabilize the Earth's core after removing the micro black hole

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wagnerrp:

because they have figured out a way to remove the black hole?

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sphery:

Oh, wait, I guess they'd send his skeleton (which was stuck on the asteroid) down there as a tribute along with the molton iron being taken down on a mission under Billy Bob's command

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sphery:

Yeah, white paint... Then it's a white hole, and everyone knows they're not dangerous.

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sphery:

It would be Michael Bay's most realistic movie to date.

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wagnerrp:

weee! fun with netsplits

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wagnerrp:

although thats the first time ive found myself on the wrong side of one

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waterfoul:

what work you guys suggest for buying a new tv card, it must do both digital and analog in the us and I am recieving cable

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justinh:

I suggest buying two tuner cards – one analogue, one digital. as a minimum. hybrid cards are the suck

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waterfoul:

so what would be a good analog card?

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justinh:

hauppauge pvr150 or so

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waterfoul:

do you have one of these?

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justinh:

I think there's a hauppauge dual standard card that lets you do analogue and digital at the same time, which isn't the norm with hybrid cards

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waterfoul:

ok, do you have a pvr 150?

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justinh:

nope. I used to though. it worked well

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waterfoul:

any odd problems (my friends have one where the audio will cut out funny if there is a lot of loud, consistent, noise)

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justinh:

nope

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waterfoul:

wht distro did you use it with

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waterfoul:

that

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waterfoul:

what

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justinh:

what difference does that make?

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waterfoul:

i've run int some issues that were distro specific so I always ask

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justinh:

with drivers there's rarely anything distro specific

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justinh:

it'd be more driver _version_ specific

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waterfoul:

well i cant really find a 150 so any other suggestions

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waterfoul:

?

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tank-man:

pvr 150 :)

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unimaginative:

is it normal for the process "X" to be running as user root and spiking to 98% CPU usage?

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justinh:

is it normal for flames & smoke to be coming out of my PSU?

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mag0o:

depends on the model

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[Peter]:

for some of the noname brands I'd say that it is expected behaior

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[Peter]:

+v

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unimaginative:

justinh: I'm not sure if that was sarcasm :) I would expect X to be running as the user, not root.

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justinh:

Xorg runs as root here. and it works fine

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[Peter]:

it has troubles accessing the graphics hardware otherwise

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unimaginative:

justinh: thanks. The random complete shutdowns have stopped since I replaced the NB chipset heatsink, but I am still getting psuedorandom lockups.

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[Peter]:

I guess it could be done but it sounds like a bitch

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justinh:

oh dear. somebody's Lost DVDs won't play.

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Dibblah:

Well, they should have taken better care of it, then. Duuuuh.

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psipsi:

where did the XML menus go in SVN for mythfrontend?

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iamlindoro_:

mythtv/themes/defaultmenu

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psipsi:

iamlindoro_: thanks!

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iamlindoro_:

np

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gbee:

psipsi: if you were overriding them with your own then it sounds like you were doing it the 'wrong' way, create your own folder with your xml files, name it "my menu" or whatever you like and put it in a 'themes' folder in ~/.mythtv/

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gbee:

it will then appear as a option in the appearance settings under menu themes

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Voidberg:

hi, we're going to have a bigger party in our flat. in four of the rooms are computers with mythtv installed. in searching for a streaming solution were each frontend can alter the the (global) playlist, i found mythstream and mythmpd, bot none of them could do the playlist think i'm searching for. anyone has an idea?

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psipsi:

gbee: Interesting... I am indeed just overriding them. I'll have to look into that. thanks!

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psipsi:

gbee: is this something new or just a feature I didn't know existed?

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gbee:

nothing new, been that way as long as I can remember (so years)

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gbee:

psipsi: you only need to include the files you've changed too, it will fallback to using the default versions for any which don't exist in your copy

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psipsi:

gbee: well thanks for the info... that's really handy

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** gbee has a menu theme called "MyMenu" ~/.mythtv/themes/MyMenu/mainmenu.xml **

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stuarta

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** stuarta screams at mysql **

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eye69:

If I want to try out SVN, do I only have to backup the DB and compile/install? Ie. if I wanted to go back to .21 I could just reinstall that and move back the DB?#

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stuarta:

that pretty much sums it up

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iamlindoro_:

The critical step that most seem to miss is the non-rollback-ability of the DB, but you seem to get that

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eye69:

I'll shut down MySQL and do a 'cp -a' of the DB dir...

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** stuarta offers mysqldump **

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iamlindoro_:

I'd do it with mysqldump

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iamlindoro_:

ugh

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iamlindoro_:

too slow :)

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stuarta:

:)

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** stuarta hits mysql again. go faster damn you **

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iamlindoro_:

do make sure to remove all traces of the existing mythTV headers and libraries (and not just bulldoze over it with a compile install) as Straaaaaaaange things can happen when you do otherwise

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iamlindoro_:

strange bad things

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iamlindoro_:

strange bad segfaulty things

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stuarta:

if you use packages, remove them

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eye69:

Guess any questions about the current stability of SVN will be ignored...

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eye69:

stuarta: I don't. Running .21 SVN right now

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stuarta:

no, we take all correctly reported segfaults

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stuarta:

and fix them :)

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iamlindoro_:

reliability of trunk is generally directly proportional to reliability of the user

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stuarta:

ooo that's a good one

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eye69:

iamlindoro_: So this is doomed to fail then? ;)

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iamlindoro_:

it can be a nightmare or, if you know what to expect, can be pretty good

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iamlindoro_:

eye69: You might be okay, you've already earned points for knowing to back up your DB ;)

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stuarta:

at least a level 2 user

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eye69:

Guess there'

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** stuarta challenges iamlindoro_ to a duel of most evil segfault **

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eye69:

Guess there's a simpler way of getting Icecast to work though

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iamlindoro_:

you underestimate my ability to cause segfaults, sir ;)

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iamlindoro_:

oh yeah, about that

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iamlindoro_:

huh?

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iamlindoro_:

(as in, trunk hasn't got icecast support, we're all very confused by mention of it)

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eye69:

Ahhh, ok then.

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sid3windr:

heh

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eye69:

Scenario: I'm running an Icecast server on the LAN, and want to play off it easily. This is so the gf can play music out the sound system from our workstation.

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eye69:

That's the simplest solution I could think of to get access to the sound system from the workstation.

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iamlindoro_:

mpd works well

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iamlindoro_:

not necessarily directly interface-able from myth, but there are a number of web clients for it (ie you pull up http://ip.of.music.system:someport/ and there's a nice little web interface

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mackers.com/projects/mythmpd/

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iamlindoro_:

Apparently that guy has a myth mpd client too that seems more or less up to date

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eye69:

I don't really need an interface from myth

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eye69:

Ideally I'd want to get anything that plays on the Windows machine to play through the mythbox.

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eye69:

The Icecast solution gets me Winamp, which is good enough.

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eye69:

All music is stored on a fileserver which both machines have access to.

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wagnerrp:

if both machines have access directly to the files, why do you need icecast?

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wagnerrp:

its not like youre gong to synchronize playback on multiple machines with icecast

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wagnerrp:

so if you have multiple within earshot, its going to sound of fail

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mattwire:

Hi all, anyone know how I can extract a small sample of audio from a video dvd? I now have two discs which cause the ffmpeg ac3 decoder in myth to crash.

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stuarta:

mattwire: dd

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mattwire:

was hoping to just extract a bit of the audio stream, but I suppose that will be easier

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stuarta:

ah well then you can use ffmpeg to pull apart a recording

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iamlindoro_:

ffmpeg -i infile.vob -acodec copy outfile.ac3

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iamlindoro_:

and then dd that, or, you can use the -ss switch in ffmpeg whose usage always escapes my memory

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Ryushin:

I am so sick and tired of Comcast raising my rates without providing me with anything in return. I just have Analog Cable because it just works with everything. How well are the HD-PVR's working right now in SVN? I'd have to move to some kind of digital STB if I switch to Dish or Direct TV.

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: /usr/share/doc/quilt*/quilt.pdf is best, IMHO. Should be the version of http://www.suse.de/~agruen/quilt.pdf that shipped with your version of quilt .

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sphery:

Ryushin: There's always the switch to OTA and do without the channels for which the cable co is overcharging... A.k.a. voting with your wallet.

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Ryushin:

Yea, but my wife is a news junkie. So that means CNN, MSNBC, etc.

[17:07:41]

Ryushin:

I do get my HD OTA though.

[17:08:03]

sphery:

that's cool (it's usually better quality than what cable co's redistribute)

[17:08:25]

Ryushin:

I find that is true. OTA HD looks much better than comcasts HD.

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Ryushin:

So what is the status of the HD-PVR's in SVN right now? Can I change channels with them, how much processor do I need? I have a dual core 2.6 ghz. Is that fast enough.

[17:10:19]

Ryushin:

Is the h.264 recordings still only single threaded?

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stuarta:

recording is easy, it's the playback thats harder

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Ryushin:

Well, probably not with SDTV, but with HDTV, yea.

[17:13:07]

Ryushin:

I thought there were channel changing issues with the HD-PVR right now.

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stuarta:

can't comment, don't have the hardware

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Ryushin:

Okay.

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: My recommendation: export QUILT_PATCHES=/some/dir/outside/tree (so you don't lose patches/can share them on multiple working copies) and instead of calling series files ${QUILT_PATCHES)/series, call them ${QUILT_PATCHES}/series_files/series-mythtv and use ln -sf series_files/series-mythtv ${QUILT_PATCHES}/series to switch. Put patches in, i.e., ${QUILT_PATCHES}/mythtv/ and lines in your series-mythtv, like ...

[17:15:03]

sphery:

... mythtv/patch_1.patch (or, if it's not -p 1), mythtv/patch_1.patch -p0 (use further subdirs as desired). The biggest challenge is remembering to quilt new mythtv/patch2.patch /and/ quilt add lib/libmyth/storagegroup.cpp /before/ you start editing files. :)

[17:15:06]

wagnerrp:

Ryushin: 2.6GHz AMD or Intel?

[17:15:18]

Ryushin:

AMD. I won't use Intel.

[17:15:26]

** stuarta loves quilt **

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sphery:

Ryushin: from what I understand, LiveTV with the HD-PVR isn't ideal, yet (and/or may require some patches)

[17:15:39]

wagnerrp:

that chip probably wont handle anything more than ~10mbps

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Ryushin:

And HD is up to 19mbs.

[17:16:18]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: and you won't really understand how best to use it until you start using it--no matter how good the tutorial is. :)

[17:16:25]

wagnerrp:

rather ATSC (mpeg2) is up to 19mbps

[17:16:32]

Ryushin:

I guess I'll have to go with the Phoenem 2

[17:16:37]

wagnerrp:

im talking about the single sliced h264 coming out of the hd-pvr

[17:16:47]

sphery:

stuarta: me too... I can't imagine going back to patching without quilt.

[17:17:08]

stuarta:

the bugger is forgetting to quilt pop -a before svn up :)

[17:17:15]

Ryushin:

What will HD use in mbps

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justinh:

muh muh muh intel are teh eeevil weevil. meh

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wagnerrp:

there is no multithreaded playback for HDPVR content, so more cores wont help you

[17:17:42]

wagnerrp:

just raw megahurtz

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justinh:

MOARGHZ ftw

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wagnerrp:

there are some HDPVR samples floating around, but i dont know where they are off hand

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Ryushin:

I figured I need a faster core. So can 2.6ghz playback HD on a single core.

[17:18:36]

Ryushin:

Okay, I guess I'd have to try that first.

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wagnerrp:

that chip will handle ATSC just fine

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justinh:

hdpvr stuff is tricky

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sphery:

stuarta: yeah, I don't have that issue because I do rm -rf * in my checkout dir, then tar xf ../mythtv-<date>.tar.bz2, then svn up & re-tar the clean checkout. Yeah, I know that you can use svn to "clean up", but how many people have had issues when certain files changed that were only solved by a new svn co?

[17:18:57]

Ryushin:

So I'ts not ready for prime time yet.

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wagnerrp:

but that chip will only handle maybe 10–11 mbps per core

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wagnerrp:

since the hdpvr video is single sliced, you can only decode with a single core

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wagnerrp:

and it peaks at 13.5mbps

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sphery:

stuarta: and with ccache, the rm -rf isn't that bad

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wagnerrp:

so you can overclock that chip, or cut the bandwidth back in the recording profiles

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Ryushin:

So I'll have to find something running faster than 2.6, and that does more work per clock cycle.

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sphery:

Ryushin: perhaps you can just record the news that airs /until/ prime time with it ;)

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wagnerrp:

or since youll be on trunk for hdpvr support, just sidestep the whole issue entirely, and get a new nvidia card

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justinh:

viddypow!

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aniiena:

for someone who is familiar with ubuntu is there any reason to opt for mythdora over mythbuntu?

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jackson__:

Ryushin, why not use hardware video playback? Then you can use a tiny weeny power friendly cpu..

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justinh:

nope

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wagnerrp:

not at all, just use what youre familiar with

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stuarta:

jackson__: that doesn't yet work well with h264

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justinh:

if you're familiar with ubuntu why not just use UBUNTU ?

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justinh:

as opposed to mythbuntu, I mean

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justinh:

whacked out concept, I know

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wagnerrp:

yeah, mythbuntu is little more than ubuntu pre-packaged with mythtv

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justinh:

quite a lot more actually

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aniiena:

the box won't have a mouse or keyboard

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justinh:

less cruft, more custom

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jackson__:

stuarta, the single sliced hd-pvr created h264?

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wagnerrp:

i thought all the setup wizards in mythbuntu came with the mythtv package

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justinh:

aniiena: good luck installing an OS then :P

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aniiena:

I mean permanently :P

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justinh:

wagnerrp: I dunno, I don't use mythtv packages

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stuarta:

jackson__: the nvidia VDPAU is the first thing that can accelerate h264 on the gpu

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wagnerrp:

(in linux)

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sphery:

aniiena: I'm not familiar with either MythBunto or MythDora, but AIUI, MythDora is best for those with Red-Had-related experience and MythBuntu is best for those with Ubuntu- (even Debian-)related experience

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stuarta:

and it's still very much a work in progress

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aniiena:

ubuntu has a lot of packages I don't need

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aniiena:

my assumption was that mythbuntu was a bit more streamlined and focused?

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justinh:

ooo hey they said, just grab the software & webpages off of this machine on a.b.c.d – okay.. so I'm getting 10Kb/sec and want to get home today

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gumpert345:

hi i installed drivers for my usb stick analo/dvb-t cinergy hybrid xe with tm6010 using "make all" with this package: http://linuxtv.org/hg/~mchehab/tm6010 how can I check, whether ubuntu finds my stick as dvbt stick? lsusb shows: Bus 007 Device 003: ID 0ccd:0086 TerraTec Electronic GmbH

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justinh:

gumpert345: #linuxtv – not here

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gumpert345:

but there is no /dev/tuner0 or something like that

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gumpert345:

ah thx

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jackson__:

stuarta, sure, as an advid user of vdpau, I understand that it's a work in progress. I'm very impressed with the amount of attention given it (by both nvidia and the resulting myth integration) and have little hesitation from shouting it from the roof tops. Therefore I was a little surprised to see someone still talking about needing a larger cpu to play HD in linux :)

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justinh:

but muh, nobody is answering in no excuse, btw

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stuarta:

anyway, hometime

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: if you have a couple of minutes to explain the Network Manager applet chicken/egg problem--or even to just say it's real--it would probably help the thread: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/370589#370589

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wagnerrp:

yeah, its a shame networkmanager doesnt have the ability to run scripts on connect

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wagnerrp:

or even, connect to a wired network before the gnome applet pops up

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: done

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Ryushin:

Okay, I just talked with Comcast, and they would not lower our rates. So I told them to go pound sand and I'm canceling at the end of this month.

[17:47:51]

Ryushin:

Qwest has a deal $19.99 a month, with Direct TV, so I'm going to switch to that.

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wagnerrp:

how much were your rates raising every month?

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Ryushin:

I figure I'll need 3 boxes in the house and I'll feed everything through the Myth boxes.

[17:49:23]

Ryushin:

They seem to raise the rates $3 every six months for the last 8 years or so. We started at $29.99 a month, and now it's $58 a month..

[17:49:47]

Ryushin:

Anyway, I'm tired of all the BS around them and that they say they can't make a profit, which is just stupid.

[17:50:05]

Ryushin:

So I need some IR blasters now I assume.

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justinh:

well, not if people keep churning :P

[17:50:29]

Ryushin:

Can I change the channels in the box through firewire?

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wagnerrp:

if your box supports firewire, yes

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Ryushin:

Even though I won't be able to record off of it?

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wagnerrp:

ive heard sat providers dont follow the same rules, in having to provide live firewire ports

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justinh:

thought that was only any use for cable boxes, not satellite

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iamlindoro_:

Don't think any of the DirecTV boxes have firewire

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Ryushin:

Okay, so IR blasters then.

[17:51:45]

iamlindoro_:

A few of the old old OLD ones did, but they would be incompatible with the MPEg-4 used now

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Ryushin:

My wife has windows on a laptop and a desktop. Does myth compile now on windows?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

well er.. possibly, maybe.. but it prolly won't _work_

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wagnerrp:

well i was going to say something about inflation causing the price raise

[17:52:45]

wagnerrp:

but that rate is about double inflation

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Ryushin:

I'm going to have to see if MythTVPlayer to work with LiveTV.

[17:53:56]

wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

mythtvplayer is abandonware

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justinh:

it won't even work with recordings :P

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: you're the man with the answers. thanks.

[17:54:42]

Ryushin:

Well, there are newer version posted on the forums. But dev is slow. We are using it watch shows on the myth box.

[17:54:54]

wagnerrp:

version .50 supported livetv on 0.20.2, version 0.42 does not support livetv but works with 0.21

[17:54:56]

Ryushin:

It works with SVN just fine. We use it everyday.

[17:55:16]

wagnerrp:

oh, there is still someone working on it?

[17:55:38]

Ryushin:

yea, the guy that wrote it. You can find the threads in the forums and the links.

[17:55:48]

Ryushin:

I can give you the version that is working for me.

[17:56:01]

Ryushin:

Even works under Windows7

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wagnerrp:

i mean the last update on his site was some 17 months ago

[17:56:23]

Ryushin:

Yea, but there are experimental builds that you can get on the forum.

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iamlindoro_:

"the" forum is pretty broad ;)

[17:58:18]

wagnerrp:

i still think ill stick with mythrename/samba

[17:58:32]

iamlindoro_:

I'll stick with not windows :)

[17:59:36]

Ryushin:

Well, the wife is on windows. I can't change that. So what am I going to do for live TV. She runs BeyondTV on windows right now.

[17:59:49]

sphery:

does windows 7 even work under windows 7?

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Ryushin:

Can myth act as some kind of UPNP set up to playback livetv?

[18:00:05]

wagnerrp:

no

[18:00:11]

Ryushin:

Actually, Windows7 actually ran pretty good.

[18:00:35]

Ryushin:

So any thoughts about how the wife can watch live TV on her computer?

[18:00:50]

Ryushin:

From Myth?

[18:00:56]

wagnerrp:

you can play recordings, but if youre playing something as it is recording, you will have to restart the video any time you hit the end of playback at the time you started

[18:01:07]

justinh:

what forum?

[18:01:21]

Ryushin:

Well, that won't work. She changes the channels between news stations often.

[18:01:25]

wagnerrp:

say you start watching at 9:20, you can only play the first 20 minutes of video, and then you have to restart the video to get the next 20 minutes

[18:01:40]

wagnerrp:

if you change channels often, dont use mythtv

[18:01:53]

wagnerrp:

mythtv is not for the channel surfer

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sphery:

"Windows 7, no longer annoying users with UAC." "Windows 7 is less secure than Windows Vista." "Windows 7 provides Microsoft's ingenious UAC to protect users from malware." (Of course, what these "security experts" who complained when UAC was disabled don't realize is that the chances of a user knowing when to say, "Yes," and when to say, "No," are about zilch.)

[18:02:15]

justinh:

or the windows user

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iamlindoro_:

Are you saying that this linux can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ? As in, without a boot disk, without any drivers, and without any services? That sounds preposterous to me.

[18:02:53]

iamlindoro_:

If it were true (and I doubt it), then companies would be selling computers without a windows.

[18:03:32]

Ryushin:

You can download the version that we use from my server: http://www.chrisdos.com/MythTvPlayer0.5.0.zip

[18:03:34]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: well, you have to buy the computer with Windows because it initializes all the hardware for you. Then you can hobble it by removing Windows and hope you never buy any new hardware.

[18:03:35]

justinh:

no widnows eh? but how will people see what's going on outside? via cameras?

[18:03:43]

justinh:

?

[18:03:47]

wagnerrp:

what about that OSX replacement shell for windows?

[18:03:53]

sphery:

justinh: port holes

[18:04:05]

iamlindoro_:

Apple tried to create their own system for years, but finally gave up recently and moved to Intel and Microsoft.

[18:04:06]

Ryushin:

Can myth work inside of virtualbox?

[18:04:06]

justinh:

Ryushin: what'forum' ?

[18:04:23]

iamlindoro_:

Its just not possible that a freeware like the Linux could be extended to the point where it runs the entire computer fron start to finish, without using some of the more critical parts of windows. Not possible. I think you need to re-examine your assumptions.

[18:04:35]

justinh:

Ryushin: mythbackend, sure. if you use IP recording

[18:04:45]

wagnerrp:

Ryushin: and youre running 0.21 with that version?

[18:04:59]

justinh:

and I ask again – WHAT FRICKIN FORUM?

[18:05:00]

Ryushin:

http://www.sudu.dk/mythtvplayer/forum/

[18:05:14]

Ryushin:

I'm running svn

[18:05:21]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: well, of course GNU/Linux have stolen a ton of high-quality commercial Unix source code--and, everyone knows that Windows is just Unix for desktops.

[18:05:24]

wagnerrp:

last i checked, that version was built using an old version of mythproto

[18:05:31]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.danielandrade.net/2008/01/29/funny . . . out-windows/

[18:05:47]

justinh:

it's dead to me , any form of windows mythtv involvement, so no matter :)

[18:05:56]

sphery:

wagnerrp: pretty sure that the guy who wrote it wrote in a "don't worry about mythproto version" clause

[18:06:24]

sphery:

a.k.a. a "**** up your DB" clause

[18:06:48]

sphery:

wonder why the m, e, and s keys didn't work, there

[18:06:49]

justinh:

last time I used it, it properly scrwed my backend over, big style

[18:07:19]

sphery:

so, your saying it's like a jail for your Myth system :)

[18:08:10]

justinh:

heh

[18:08:44]

Ryushin:

Here is the actual MythTVPlayer with the config that that we use. I zipped this up from my wife's machine: http://www.chrisdos.com/MythTvPlayer.zip

[18:09:08]

justinh:

no thanks. I like my backend to stay working

[18:09:08]

Ryushin:

Just change the password in the config file to what you use.

[18:09:13]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: btw, now that you've posted that to the list, I'll have a post to quote from now on when this subject comes up, so thanks for all those times, too.

[18:10:03]

Ryushin:

It has not done anything to my backend at all. I've used it now for the last year with zero issues.

[18:10:16]

Ryushin:

Okay, back to my problems. :)

[18:10:21]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: hehe

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sphery:

you've been using the stable release version for the last year, right? i.e. the one that's most likely to be well tested by the dev?

[18:10:35]

** iamlindoro_ feels so used **

[18:10:38]

Ryushin:

How can I get my wife to watch live TV from windows vista or beyond tv.

[18:11:00]

sphery:

if you switch to trunk, it /will/ break things (because trunk does DB connections/communication completely differently)

[18:11:10]

Ryushin:

sphery: It's been a beta release.

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iamlindoro_:

We don't do Vista or Beyond TV

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Ryushin:

It can figure it out. Just try it.

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sphery:

there is no MythTV client that connects to the DB that can be compatible with both 0.21-fixes and below as well as current trunk

[18:11:50]

Ryushin:

I was hoping some kind of UPNP thing would work.

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wagnerrp:

upnp does not do livetv

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sphery:

start recording, upnp the recording

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Ryushin:

sphery: It works.

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sphery:

when show ends, start next recording...

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wagnerrp:

you *can* watch an active recording

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justinh:

Ryushin:Vista won't stream live anything to anytf thos extender things

[18:12:24]

Ryushin:

Okay, so that's not an alternative.

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wagnerrp:

but it will only play back to however long was available when you started playback

[18:12:38]

Ryushin:

Okay, so what about running myth inside of virtualbox.

[18:12:45]

iamlindoro_:

Sounds like somebody is fudging the protocol version to avoid having to update his program

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justinh:

er.. it won't stream to anything but those extender things

[18:12:47]

wagnerrp:

thats a world of hurt

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iamlindoro_:

Which will be *badly* broken

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justinh:

Ryushin: nope. no way.

[18:13:09]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro_: thats roughly what i saw happening when i stopped using it

[18:13:12]

Ryushin:

Because it can't do XV?

[18:13:16]

wagnerrp:

maybe 2 years ago

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: ewwwwwwwww

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justinh:

I think we should just maintain the stance of saying NO to mythtv player on windows

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justinh:

I'm gonna harrass IT for some MOAR RAMS

[18:15:08]

justinh:

256MB is not enough on this win2k box

[18:15:22]

** iamlindoro_ buys stock in RAM manufacturers before releasing his theme **

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wagnerrp:

justinh: 256MB isnt enough to run firefox

[18:16:01]

justinh:

nor outlook, and yet here I am with both open

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justinh:

actually nobody's gonna be eama be emailing me at this time...

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wagnerrp:

so theres some california design firm which wants to make 'tree towers'

[18:18:12]

wagnerrp:

basically a giant concrete structure with hydroponic support for a number of trees

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sphery:

justinh: imagine that box with Vista :)

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wagnerrp:

for CO2 'filters'

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justinh:

yeah? to blend in so kids hug em & get nasty RF burns?

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justinh:

oh.. not TV towers. meh

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wagnerrp:

nevermind the fact that trees lose branches, and grow

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justinh:

didn't I read somewhere about the whole trees & CO2 thing is abit of a non-starter?

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iamlindoro_:

"Fire Safety" comes to mind

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wagnerrp:

first big windstorm, and youre raining debris upon LA

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wagnerrp:

along with possibly a big concrete tower

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iamlindoro_:

plus, what happens when the tree's roots chew up your foundation

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wagnerrp:

it has these nice wings to act as a sail

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sphery:

justinh: I've read that it takes 7 trees to process the amount of CO2 exhaled by a single person during a year.

[18:20:11]

sphery:

average size adult, that is

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Quit breathing so much, breathe-y

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sphery:

guess you could put one of those towers for each person in a household in the back yard... Of course, the apartment buildings--especially high rise ones--would have quite a time.

[18:21:13]

justinh:

lol

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: it's only when I call people

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justinh:

hey, as the world heats up, people will die... problem solved

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wagnerrp:

genius!

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justinh:

we are the problem, and the solution. neat!

[18:22:52]

sphery:

http://waynesword.palomar.edu/faketree.htm

[18:24:01]

sphery:

can't find a link to the multi-tree-on-a-single-tower pics

[18:25:59]

justinh:

whee. software finally download from the other machine & squirted onto the new one. hometime :)

[18:26:25]

iamlindoro_:

What was the point of http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6252 when he just did http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6248#comment:4

[18:26:28]

** iamlindoro_ punches people **

[18:26:40]

iamlindoro_:

Is that a "fix it faster, my stories are coming on?"

[18:26:47]

sphery:

if you punch hard enough, you may help solve global warming

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** iamlindoro_ misses the relentless closing of VDPAU tickets **

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sphery:

me too

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rotty:

I'm trying to install MythTV for the first time, and mythtv-setup uses a font too big for my display (i.e. the buttons on the bottom of the first page are not visible). How can I get it to use a smaller font?

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iamlindoro_:

rotty, you can run mythtv-setup with the -geometry option (ie "mythtv-setup -geometry 640x480") to get the setup done, then once you're done with that and run the frontend, there's a screen wizard to correct overscan. (Utilities/Setup->Setup->Screen Wizards)

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rotty:

iamlindoro_: thanks; but the geometry option doesn't seem to affect font size at all (already tried that...)

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iamlindoro_:

ah, I misunderstood your problem

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iamlindoro_:

try using a different theme

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iamlindoro_:

As the font sizes are defined in theme XML

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rotty:

ah, ok

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iamlindoro_:

Note that mythtv-setup doesn't actually *have* buttons on the first page, so I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but I get the jist

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iamlindoro_:

Unless you are looking at the DB access setup screen, in which case you may have different issues (ie, you will not be able to resize the QT fonts

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rotty:

iamlindoro_: It's the DB setup screen (and it uses a really HUGE font, my display is 1280x800)

[20:13:36]

iamlindoro_:

hmm, sounds odd, 1280x800 should be *more* than adequate to accommodate mtythv-setup (especially as at that resolution it's likely an actual monitor)

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iamlindoro_:

Do you have msttcorefonts installed?

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iamlindoro_:

if not, it's possible it's selecting the next font and getting screwy

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rotty:

iamlindoro_: yes, it's an LCD on my laptop, which gets the output via X11 forwarding

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iamlindoro_:

So I'd check fonts, and failing that, try overriding with a different theme (mythtv-setup -O Theme=G.A.N.T OR mythtv-setup -O Theme=blue)

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** rotty apt-get:s ttf-mscorefonts-installer **

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rotty:

iamlindoro_: thanks, msttcorefonts helped :-)

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iamlindoro_:

np, good luck

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sphery:

Wow... Initial measurements suggest that switching from my "up to 80% efficient" PSU to an 80 PLUS (guaranteed >80% efficiency at all loads) PSU will save me 0.5kWh/day.

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sphery:

at $0.10/kWh, that's 15kWh/mo = $1.50/mo

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iamlindoro_:

Now you're only 10 years from paying back the cost of the PSU!

[20:28:42]

iamlindoro_:

;)

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sphery:

Actually, it was on sale (won't buy them when >$39.99), so only 26 2/3mos

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iamlindoro_:

That's a longer lifetime than my backends generally enjoy

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sphery:

Besides, I had 3 failing PSU's, so I needed new ones and these weren't noticeably more expensive than other quality ones

[20:30:18]

sphery:

I'm still using the exact same backend that I started Myth with in 2004

[20:31:24]

sphery:

(different HDD's and capture cards and, now, PSU), but everything else is the same--meaning mobo/RAM/CPU/case. Oh, and I did upgrade the nvidia video card when the MX440 went legacy

[20:31:55]

sphery:

But regardless, I'd reuse PSU's.

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sphery:

even if swapping out everything else

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gbee:

been using the same PSU for at least the last six years

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gbee:

PSU isn't something I'd change at all unless a) it failed b) wasn't upto the job anymore

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gbee:

or lately c) Wasn't efficient enough

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sphery:

Yeah, I had one blow up on me and on the day I replaced it, newegg had a sale on Antec Earthwatt 80 PLUS PSU's, so I tried one. I liked it and told myself I'd do some measurements, but got lazy.

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sphery:

So, when 3 more started to fail I watched for another sale, bought 3 more, and am now running consumption tests with the old and the new PSU's (and with and without BOINC/SETI@home running).

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iamlindoro_:

They keep changing mobo connections on PSUs

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** justinh is currently saving about 25W with the new 350W 80Plus PSU in the backend :) **

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iamlindoro_:

I've gone through at least three in the past 5–6 years for that reason

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sphery:

And, based on the preliminary results, I may actually be replacing perfectly working PSU's for efficiency sake.

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justinh:

way better than the QTec junk I had :)

[20:38:09]

iamlindoro_:

well, not the mobo connections, but mobo connections, PCIe card connections, SATA, etc.

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sphery:

I'm swapping from a Raidmax... :)

[20:38:35]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: make your own power adapters/leads. I do

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sphery:

scary...

[20:39:00]

iamlindoro_:

I spend too much on the other bits to risk it on my own wiring :)

[20:39:08]

justinh:

what's there to risk?

[20:39:28]

iamlindoro_:

You'd be surprised the things I can screw up

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justinh:

besides, anybody have any idea how overrated the old 5.25" disk power connector is? ;-)

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: how often do you check your logs?

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sphery:

I have to admit that my mobos last longer than my PSU's, so--for example--my old Athlon XP's that use a 20-pin power connector are getting new PSU's that are ATX12V v2.2, so I'm ready for when I have to upgrade.

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AndyCap:

no, no, no, that will crash your computer. You need http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordost%20VALHALLA%20Power.htm

[20:39:51]

justinh:

dustybin: you should get Gillian McKeith to check your logs

[20:40:00]

dustybin:

who the hells that

[20:40:22]

dustybin:

http://www.gillianmckeith.info/

[20:40:23]

iamlindoro_:

Is Gillian anderson and Keith Urban and Ewan McGrego had a threesome and someone got pregnant

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iamlindoro_:

er if

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: nah, she examines stools on telly

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sphery:

A 2-ton power cord? (That's 2000 Pounds :)

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iamlindoro_:

Good thing her web site's all brown then

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dustybin:

if your backends are connected to the net, and something bad was happening to your box, none of you guys would know because you dont bother checking your logs

[20:41:27]

justinh:

dustybin: I only check my logs when something has gone wrong

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dustybin:

:(

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin: put a cork in that lecture, sailor, you're unpopular enough as it is

[20:41:41]

dustybin:

justinh: by then, its too late

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justinh:

I'm fairly sure I'm safe from being pwned by you though

[20:41:56]

justinh:

or the majority of script kiddies out there

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dustybin:

sailer? o,O

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justinh:

the worst that has ever happened is er.. my router crashing

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sphery:

guess it's a 1-ton power cord... Stupid maths.

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin: You are lecturing a well informed group of people with actual high paying technical jobs. You work in a print shop.

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justinh:

just been to a place where some people made me feel about this big ||

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin: That's like me getting lessons from you in how to impress girls

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gbee:

justinh: as much as 25W? Hmm, might bump a new PSU up my list of priorities

[20:43:11]

justinh:

ducking dog training centre

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justinh:

gbee: it was an exceptionally crap PSU

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dustybin:

LOL

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AndyCap:

sphery: but you get 91% of the speed of light

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justinh:

apparently my dog is 2x overweight. they know this just by looking at him

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Those dog freaks make me insane. Turn up your nose at my mutt, will you????

[20:44:48]

justinh:

the vet disagreed the other week. Hmm I wonder who is more likely to be right

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: With their inbred little snotty lapdogs

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sphery:

gbee: on my system, I went from 151.0W average to 130.4W average when not running SETI@home

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justinh:

yeah forking Kennel Club b'stards

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iamlindoro_:

I'll put my mutt against their purebreds anyday

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sphery:

gbee: my previous PSU was a Raidmax whose efficiency was rated "up to 80%"

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justinh:

and of course mr doggy is all excited being surrounded by more canines than he's ever seen in one place in his whole life – so he's 'badly behaved' and 'they're going to have their work cut out' when we start in April

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justinh:

this is the place just out the back of my house where the incessant barking annoys the bejesus out of me every weekend

[20:47:23]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: Does the concept of the dog park exist over there?

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: nope

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justinh:

and it's turning quite the other way in places

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justinh:

i.e. no dogs (!) :(

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gbee:

not just the Kennel Club brigade, local RSPCA is continually begging people to re-home dogs/cats from their shelter – but everyone I know who tried was turned down for extremely silly reasons such as "Oh, I heard a cat was once run over on the road where you live", "You can't have a dog unless the fence around you property is at least 6 feet tall" etc

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iamlindoro_:

Too bad, It's nice and good for socialization-- take mine a couple times a week to get all the rough and tumble out of her

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: he meets other dogs, but not often enough for my liking

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thebishop:

this is a little off topic, but do any of you HTPCers try to play PC games with a gamepad? are there any good solutions for games that don't support pads out of the box?

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justinh:

plus when he is 'bad', it's generally only for the 1st 5 mins or so, then he's great.

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gbee:

sphery: wouldn't have a clue what the rating on my Enermax was, it's old enough to have been made before efficiency was all the rage though

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justinh:

my wife's talking about AGILITY classes now. FFS

[20:49:08]

Gumby:

justinh, better than talking about VERILITY classes

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justinh:

thebishop: last experience I had with a gamepad was er.. suck

[20:49:23]

justinh:

back in the day before USB existed :P

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Gumby:

make that virility

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thebishop:

yeah... plugging pads into serial or soundcard... not cool

[20:49:50]

gbee:

the days of joystick ports?

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justinh:

Gumby: bit late for that now. snip snip snip

[20:50:06]

sphery:

gbee: there's a good chance you'll save quite a bit... especially if your PSU is overpowered for your system draw (i.e. most tend to be peak efficiency around 80% load, IIRC)

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AndyCap:

justinh: did he get neuticles?

[20:50:22]

gbee:

no justin did ;)

[20:50:24]

justinh:

AndyCap: yeah the shelter did that as a matter of course

[20:50:36]

AndyCap:

justinh: well-funded shelter.

[20:50:37]

AndyCap:

:P

[20:50:40]

AndyCap:

http://www.neuticles.com/

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justinh:

all the shelters round here do it as a matter of policy

[20:51:08]

wagnerrp:

i still have a gameport joystick around here somewhere

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gbee:

AndyCap: oh, that wasn't just a made up word then ... *stunned*

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AndyCap:

Harr harr

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thebishop:

wagnerrp, roff. the best is the gameport doubled as a MIDI port

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AndyCap:

gbee: well, it is, but I didn't make it up

[20:51:57]

AndyCap:

gbee: the inventor of replacment silicon dog bollocks did

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justinh:

what bugs me about our dog being 'overweight' is that he gets fed like a third of what the food manufacturer reckons

[20:52:46]

justinh:

AndyCap: I find it slightly disturbing that people feel that's even necessary

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gbee:

s/per day/per week/

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justinh:

lol gbee

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iamlindoro_:

Having the webcam on the dog is simultaneously heartwarming and breaking

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AndyCap:

and who pays 1000 bucks for them

[20:53:16]

iamlindoro_:

I mean... there's something about watching here wait. At the door. For 8 hours. For me to come home.

[20:53:20]

iamlindoro_:

er her wait

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justinh:

awwww

[20:53:33]

iamlindoro_:

sometimes she'll go fetch a toy and take it back to the door

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** justinh sobs at the thought of iamlindoro's poor doggy **

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iamlindoro_:

but that's about it. Hard not to come home and get happy watching that

[20:54:15]

justinh:

actually we have no idea what our Rory does while we're out. other than sleep

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AndyCap:

there's always http://www.zoneminder.com/uploads/pics/ZM-Image_01.jpg

[20:55:01]

justinh:

CBA with ZM

[20:55:10]

justinh:

needs framegrabbers or webcams. bah

[20:55:21]

justinh:

not worth hoiking a pCI slot for

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bagpuss_thecat:

ZM ftw

[20:55:32]

iamlindoro_:

mine's just a webcam->stream dealie with mjpg_streamer

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AndyCap:

justinh: so you want a motion that supports mpeg?

[20:55:51]

justinh:

besides, we have 3 cameras already.. and a _proper_ cctv DVR

[20:55:52]

bagpuss_thecat:

you can get a 4 channel composite video cap card for peanuts on ebay

[20:55:57]

bagpuss_thecat:

'it just works'

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justinh:

bagpuss_thecat: framegrabber :(

[20:56:13]

justinh:

plus cabling :(

[20:56:16]

justinh:

plus PSUs

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bagpuss_thecat:

true

[20:56:45]

bagpuss_thecat:

depends on your situation, admittedly

[20:56:47]

justinh:

I already have a 12V 2A supply running to my 3 outdoor cams

[20:57:01]

justinh:

and I put the whole lot around (power & 3x video) on cat5 :)

[20:57:12]

justinh:

not rigging more cables if I can help it

[20:57:28]

bagpuss_thecat:

my next task is to get the JavaANPR developer to add UK numberplate support, and trigger MisterHome to open the garage doors :-)

[20:57:47]

justinh:

we make ANPR camera tech where I work

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justinh:

EVIL, EVIL

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justinh:

as the incidence of ANPR tech increases, so will the appearance of cloned plates

[20:58:32]

bagpuss_thecat:

when used for geekery though, it's good :-)

[20:58:59]

iamlindoro_:

Until someone gets into your house with a printout of a photo of your plate

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justinh:

and I'm not sure – but I don't think any of the available systems look for a car.. so all you need is a plate to show up somewhere

[20:59:24]

bagpuss_thecat:

geekery & convenience != security

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AndyCap:

justinh: like on a laptop screen? :P

[20:59:40]

bagpuss_thecat:

right, tea and doughnut done, time to head home

[20:59:59]

justinh:

AndyCap: no, like on a polycarbonate reflective plate which reflects IR very well

[21:00:24]

AndyCap:

justinh: meh, reflects ir, emits ir. who cares. :-)

[21:00:36]

** AndyCap needs a new backligt **

[21:01:03]

justinh:

police cars have anpr tech now too, so if they happen to spot a plate which won't read.... oops.

[21:01:07]

wagnerrp:

association of national park rangers?

[21:01:19]

justinh:

automatic number plate recognition

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wagnerrp:

i know... just having fun with google

[21:02:07]

iamlindoro_:

JESUS

[21:02:11]

iamlindoro_:

Well here's some fun

[21:02:32]

iamlindoro_:

A suggestions that external players should be allowed to be assigned for liveTv/recordings

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justinh:

if the congestion charging stuff ever comes into manchester we've vowed to do some experiments with a3 laser prints

[21:02:48]

wagnerrp:

allowed to be assigned?

[21:02:49]

iamlindoro_:

"is it logical to restrict users to Internal for recordings when freedom of choice is give in mythvideo?"

[21:03:06]

wagnerrp:

oh

[21:03:10]

justinh:

let's just disband the users ML already

[21:03:34]

wagnerrp:

i dont know of any other media player that allows dynamic file sizes

[21:03:49]

wagnerrp:

everything reads the size once, and plays until that size

[21:03:56]

justinh:

oh yeah, what we need is a bigger user base so that people can just pester more, in greater numbers

[21:04:12]

high-rez:

I've been getting audio buffer underruns with vdpau. Anyone else experience that ?

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: so, appletv is more of a toy than previously suspected. quel surprise!

[21:05:32]

high-rez:

I've tried all sorts of options. I'm starting to wonder if my video card is underpowered for the task (though, it seems, that video isn't suffering during hte underruns :/ )

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wagnerrp:

i was under the impression the video acceleration was dedicated hardware

[21:06:40]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: That post brings up a /very/ good point... Why does MythVideo provide freedom of choice?

[21:06:43]

wagnerrp:

meaning it was one gate set, common to all VDPAU capable chips

[21:07:04]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: sounds like we need to disable use of any media player other than Internal in MythVideo/MythGallery.

[21:07:23]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: justinh: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /247475.html

[21:07:27]

justinh:

wagnerrp: meaning that the 'lower' priced cards are just batch failures not up to the job of the higher spec ;)

[21:07:30]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: way ahead of you

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sphery:

response: "Arghhh!!! But Internal won't play /my/ videos."

[21:08:20]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: nice!

[21:08:24]

justinh:

sphery: yarrrrrr

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mchou:

high-rez: there is nothing wrong with your video card

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iamlindoro_:

I anticipate strong, retarded reactions

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justinh:

/my/ ropey MKV (HDTV).PDTV.leet files

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mchou:

high-rez: what's the source material you're using?

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sphery:

I guess to keep the pirate theme, I should have said, "Arghhh!!! Alas, ye Internal player won't play /me/ videos."

[21:09:20]

justinh:

I downloaded the shows. they are mine!

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high-rez:

mchou: H264 1080i content (and mpeg2 1080i).

[21:09:33]

justinh:

all your files are belong to us (via piratebay.org)

[21:09:49]

justinh:

anyway, all this bitching is bad for my soul

[21:10:05]

mchou:

high-rez: what proggie are you sing for playback?

[21:10:12]

mchou:

using*

[21:10:14]

justinh:

I can't wait to pick up anykey's code again & try to get it working

[21:10:16]

sphery:

justinh: Well, someone sent it over the air, so if I owned an antenna, I could have recorded it, therefore, I have a license keep the movie forever, so I just downloaded it to cut out the middle man.

[21:10:19]

high-rez:

mchou: MythTV...

[21:10:40]

mchou:

high-rez: try mplayer as a sanity check.....

[21:10:51]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Love that line of reasoning

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justinh:

I was pondering today, wondering how long 'concept' has been in the works for

[21:11:16]

mchou:

high-rez: audio issues are generally not an indication of you video card being underpowered

[21:11:20]

sphery:

There's a reason that fair use was previously based around the idea that the dollar/time cost of photocopying an entire book meant that someone who was copying it for non-commercial reasons was probably doing so for legitimate reasons (academic/etc.)

[21:11:45]

sphery:

But, the whole "cut out the middle man" argument does away with the whole dollar/time cost check-and-balance.

[21:12:04]

justinh:

and when you figure that the commercials don't come along in the files...

[21:12:12]

justinh:

bang away goes the money deal

[21:12:29]

justinh:

personally I wouldn't mind seeing some entertaining US ads from time to time

[21:12:50]

justinh:

guy at work showed me the screen junk blighting some shows he'd snagged. oh dear

[21:12:54]

sphery:

I.e. people would copy only a few pages for personal use because copying the whole book was more expensive than buying it new... Now that digital has no inherent dollar cost for copying (i.e. you've got a HDD, anyway), all that remains to deter rampant piracy is time cost.

[21:12:57]

AndyCap:

justinh: you can find them on a torrent site. :-P

[21:13:39]

justinh:

we had quite innocuous banners slide on & off screen. you lot apparently have lower thirds, animated to feck & pretty damn blatant

[21:13:52]

sphery:

justinh: exactly

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justinh:

and what's that massive ratings watermark about?

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high-rez:

mchou: Yeah I agree – I'm totally lost as to why it sucks with vdpau but works just fine with software. E.g. if I use the standard (libavcodec) decoder it works just fine (but takes a ton of cpu).

[21:14:38]

AndyCap:

I bet a frivolous lawsuit

[21:14:48]

sphery:

though some, like iamlindoro_ , have more conscientious broadcasters who choose not to do so. My broadcasters will just up and preempt the last 10 minutes of the show to tell you, "It might get below freezing in some areas tonight, so make sure you protect your tender plants."

[21:15:11]

justinh:

reminded me you lot have the V-chip over there. Shudder

[21:15:14]

sphery:

stupid local broadcasters

[21:15:31]

iamlindoro_:

It helps to live somewhere where it never gets frosty/hurricane-y/tornado-y

[21:15:32]

sphery:

that's what I've heard, but I've /never/ seen/heard of anyone actually using it

[21:15:42]

justinh:

what mythtv really needs is vchip support

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jams:

sphery- i used it once just to see it in action

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justinh:

and that content control DVDs have which can actually skip profanity etc

[21:16:15]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: though we get hurricane's, it freezes maybe once in 10 years at my house... Some of the people on the northern edge of the DMA get it once every couple of years.

[21:16:18]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: But how will we make it work with myth's new Mplayer-as-live-tv-player options?

[21:16:22]

mchou:

high-rez: you should also look int getting a kernel that has rt options.....

[21:16:23]

jams:

it was rather annoying, the screen just went blank and didnt tell you why

[21:16:27]

justinh:

hmm tough call

[21:16:29]

mchou:

into*

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sphery:

and yet they preempt my show so they can warn that small population of viewers--when they have a 24-hr weather channel on the other subchannel, anyway

[21:16:56]

sphery:

jams: cool... I wouldn't even know how to enable/use it.

[21:17:09]

AndyCap:

ah, vbi line 21.

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sphery:

justinh: the content controlled DVD's were fought on grounds of copyright violations

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sphery:

don't remember the outcome, though

[21:17:37]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yes, thats what pisses me off more than anything else

[21:17:56]

AndyCap:

aah-hahaha: The V-chip has a 4 digit numerical password in order to keep older children from changing its settings.

[21:17:57]

wagnerrp:

they have an entire channel dedicated to weather and news, and yet it still has to spill over onto primetime tv

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justinh:

hey, does the vchip stuff change for commercial breaks? :D

[21:18:23]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yep... I'll get the pitchforks. You find the torches.

[21:18:56]

justinh:

that'd be a bit like justice if it did :D

[21:19:50]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: Oh, and I want to see framegrabber support/support for PVR-350 video out go away too.

[21:19:53]

AndyCap:

anyone in the us with vbi / xds logs?

[21:19:57]

sphery:

that's a me, too

[21:20:17]

justinh:

JFI :)

[21:20:23]

justinh:

(just fork it)

[21:20:27]

sphery:

AndyCap: I have 650hrs of recorded TV with VBI data :)

[21:20:44]

justinh:

you mean nobody has looked at the VBI data during ads?

[21:21:03]

sphery:

there were some proposing it as a means of comm detection

[21:21:05]

AndyCap:

just found this http://www.nabble.com/Looking-for-Close-Capti . . . 5s15552.html

[21:21:15]

justinh:

we have stuff in our DVB subtitles between ad breaks.. buggered if I know how to do something with it though

[21:21:28]

sphery:

but many ads have vbi data, now, so we'd actually have to use dictionaries to try to guess based on content

[21:21:48]

sphery:

which is, IMHO, a hack

[21:22:00]

laga:

sphery: bayes anyone?

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gbee:

uh-huh

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wagnerrp:

well you should be able to nix out drug ads pretty easily

[21:22:21]

AndyCap:

or ratings.

[21:22:31]

sphery:

better to just do a proper audio commflagger that looks for 0 audio frames (and/or audio format switches)

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gbee:

I can't see many users wanting to spend hours training their mythtv boxes to recognise adverts

[21:22:48]

AndyCap:

if the vchip rating drops down so the kids won't miss the ads.

[21:22:48]

wagnerrp:

look for any number of 20 side effects that may happen

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sphery:

from what I understand, even in the quietest scenes ever, the audio never hits 0, but it does on basically every commbreak/commbreak end

[21:23:06]

AndyCap:

gbee: if they have to flag manually anyway...

[21:23:16]

laga:

gbee: might be able to use the traditional commflagger with that..

[21:23:19]

wagnerrp:

what about scene changes in a show

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AndyCap:

so it would be "on-the-job-training"

[21:23:34]

gbee:

AndyCap: how many actually do though? Can't see it being a huge percentage

[21:23:38]

iamlindoro_:

Once some code archaeologist re-learns mythcommflag, it'll be nice to see the aspect ratio change stuff go in as a method

[21:23:41]

sphery:

gbee: yeah, and based on the quality of the bayes-based spam filtering I've seen, it's a losing battle, anyway

[21:24:10]

AndyCap:

sphery: would take a lot longer before the ad people catch up in this case

[21:24:26]

sphery:

wagnerrp: good question... I would think volume wouldn't hit 0 on scene change--it's just the splicing of audio streams that causes it.

[21:24:27]

gbee:

sphery: aye, I've been bayesian filtering spam from my inbox for years and still stuff gets through on a daily basis

[21:24:45]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i thought that was because spam was subsequently designed to defeat Bayesian filters

[21:25:00]

wagnerrp:

no one is going to alter their ads to break myth's commflagging

[21:25:12]

sphery:

yeah, and without hard, fast rules--i.e. any e-mail purportedly sent from my e-mail address /is/ spam--it's annoying, too

[21:25:15]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: until everyone has bayes comflagging.

[21:25:45]

wagnerrp:

does *anyone* have commflagging?

[21:25:47]

sphery:

yeah, it wouldn't be quite the target that spam filters are, but still

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** AndyCap has max 3 breaks/hour so no. **

[21:26:08]

sphery:

hulu has comm flogging

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sphery:

flogging as in selling...

[21:26:36]

wagnerrp:

hulu ads their own commercials, but i thought they started with the raw source

[21:27:11]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: the aspect ratio one actually has promise (well not promise, it works, I've 'automatically' edited out ads using it), some of the others ... well why bother when it can take just a couple of jumps to skip right over the ads

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jams:

justinh- commericials are not blocked with vchip unless you set it up to block unrated stuff.

[21:27:25]

sphery:

that would be definition 3 "chiefly British": http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/flog

[21:27:44]

AndyCap:

jams: so programme = rated, commercial unrated?

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AndyCap:

sounds like win

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sphery:

though it's not illegal in hulu's case

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: seems it would work well (well, to a point, as ads are starting to become 16:9 HD affairs too now)

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i_is_cat:

my mythbackend has been crashing a lot lately and i'm not sure why....

[21:28:47]

wagnerrp:

yeah, once the switch is complete, i imagine most new ads will be 16:9

[21:28:48]

AndyCap:

i_is_cat: a bad driver. harr har.

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thebishop:

if my motherboard doesn't have internal "S/PDIF" pins, is it possible to get it from the HDA AC97 pins? I'm trying to get audio into the HDMI port on my GPU

[21:28:56]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: symptoms/log messages/errors?

[21:29:02]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: yeah, it doesn't work for all channels here, in fact it's usually the older 4:3 programs with 16:9 adverts

[21:29:07]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Me?

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sphery:

oops, that was for i_is_cat

[21:29:17]

sphery:

i_is_cat: symptoms/log messages/errors?

[21:29:18]

gbee:

hasn't been such a thing as a 4:3 ad here in years

[21:29:32]

i_is_cat:

http://pastebin.com/m62e0f736

[21:29:39]

sphery:

stupid autocomplete--everyone in the channel should have to choose a nick that starts with a different character ;)

[21:29:49]

i_is_cat:

bad alloc? sounds to me like it cant find enough space...

[21:29:49]

[Peter]:

thebishop: if it's a standard AC97 connector, no.

[21:29:54]

i_is_cat:

but i dont know really..

[21:30:06]

wagnerrp:

seems 'u' is still free

[21:30:18]

wagnerrp:

although ive got a lurker on my character

[21:30:48]

thebishop:

[Peter], it's a Realtek 888 chipset. It's HDA, which i think is the next-generation of AC97. I'm not 100% on that

[21:30:50]

sphery:

i_is_cat: looks like a problem with your I/O subsystem, possibly a failing HDD that causes a buffer to fill (and an eventual crash when it runs out of memory)

[21:30:57]

i_is_cat:

also, i know this isnt a myth thing.. but wondering if anyones come across it: http://tinyurl.com/dbrm74

[21:30:59]

gbee:

thebishop: the graphics card doesn't have it's own sound controller? Most these days appear as a sound card to the system

[21:31:06]

sphery:

i_is_cat: smartmontools and other checks of your HDD

[21:31:15]

i_is_cat:

sphery, hmmm i'll have to test them thanks :)

[21:31:23]

wagnerrp:

well that looks fun

[21:31:27]

[Peter]:

gbee: nvidia 8xxx typically only have SPDIF passthrough

[21:31:45]

wagnerrp:

looks like garbled CC data

[21:31:51]

** sphery always wonders whether to actually use a tinyurl... Who knows where it will take you. **

[21:31:51]

thebishop:

gbee, the GPU (nv9800GT chipset) came with a small wire that is supposed to attach to the motherboard or soundcard

[21:32:10]

[Peter]:

thebishop: doesn't the GPU have a external connector as well?

[21:32:12]

sphery:

i.e. I would be /very/ upset if a tinyurl took me to patents online or something

[21:32:30]

[Peter]:

thebishop: the ones I've seen does have that

[21:32:38]

thebishop:

[Peter], what kind of connector? 1/8"? Coax?

[21:32:40]

i_is_cat:

its just an image i took at a super long url

[21:32:54]

AndyCap:

sphery: there's shorl.com

[21:32:54]

[Peter]:

thebishop: standard RCA

[21:32:58]

sphery:

i_is_cat: that may be due to the corruption caused by the fact that your system is unable to write the data to the disk in time or it might just be garbage in the stream.

[21:32:59]

gbee:

[Peter]: ahh, well my experience of HDMI out has all been with IGPs, Nvidia and ATi where it has it's own sound chip (effectively)

[21:33:04]

i_is_cat:

i just dont know if its tvtime or the station or something else on my system that caused that weird crap to pop up

[21:33:10]

** rotty happily listens to music using MythTV now :-) **

[21:33:15]

thebishop:

[Peter], nah, nothing like that

[21:33:17]

gbee:

assumed the same was true of the discrete GPU cards

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[Peter]:

gbee: it is for ATI cards

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rotty:

however, mixer control doesn't work

[21:33:59]

i_is_cat:

hmm well i'll have to test my drives then....

[21:34:03]

thebishop:

gbee, there is IGP video on the board (nv 7-series i think). but I'm not using it

[21:34:11]

rotty:

s/mixer/volume/

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[Peter]:

thebishop: kind of odd that you don't have a SPDIF connector on the motherboard though

[21:34:15]

sphery:

AndyCap: that's better because it gives you a chance to stop before redirecting... I'd still like one that requires me to approve the redirect.

[21:34:25]

sphery:

wonder if it would allow that if I had an account at shorl

[21:34:27]

gbee:

card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: NVIDIA HDMI [NVIDIA HDMI] and card 0: HDMI [HDA ATI HDMI], device 3: ATI HDMI [ATI HDMI]

[21:34:52]

thebishop:

[Peter], yeah, i've looked all over, the board has optical, coax, and HDMI built-in

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thebishop:

[Peter], this is the board: http://www.dfi.com.tw/portal/CM/cmproduct/XX_ . . . mp;mode=view

[21:36:04]

sphery:

i_is_cat: new theory... Your filesystem, /home/i_is_cat/downloads/mythtvrelease/storage , is ext3, right?

[21:36:05]

rotty:

(i.e. I can change the volume indicator bar in the frontend, but the volume doesn't actually change — when I use aumix, it works...)

[21:36:18]

RyeBrye:

I have a board that does SPDIF out – and an Nvidia card that does SPDIF -> HDMI passthrough

[21:36:27]

i_is_cat:

no

[21:36:32]

RyeBrye:

the Nvidia card comes with wires to link to the mobo's SPDIF

[21:36:33]

i_is_cat:

i use reiserfs and xfs

[21:36:43]

[Peter]:

RyeBrye: same here, works great

[21:36:45]

sphery:

hmmm... at least xfs should delete quickly

[21:36:56]

sphery:

so, back to the bad HDD theory

[21:37:18]

sphery:

(especially since it can't keep up with a 480x480 SDTV)

[21:37:20]

thebishop:

RyeBrye, that's what i've got. but i don't think the mobo has an s/pdif internal connector. I'm wondering if there's some way to steal it from the internal HDA pins

[21:37:23]

RyeBrye:

Yes, it works pretty well. My mobo didn't have proper spdif support until 2.6.28 – but I was able to compile a custom kernel for 2.6.27 with the patches in it

[21:37:47]

RyeBrye:

thebishop: the HDA pins dont provide a digital signal, do they?

[21:37:56]

[Peter]:

no, only analog

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sphery:

i_is_cat: might also be that it can't do the I/O because CPU is completely max'ed out because you're using a frame grabber with software encoding... Might want to try RTJPEG instead of MPEG-4 to see if it helps.

[21:38:09]

thebishop:

RyeBrye, i have no idea

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gbee:

what's with all these VDPAU tickets following commits that are just hours old?

[21:38:56]

RyeBrye:

thebishop: if you can find somewhere that there is a digital signal on your mobo – you might be in luck. your other otion woudl be to buy a cheap soundcard that had SDPIF output and hope it had SPDIF headers on the card you could run the wires to – or you could just solder headers on the sound card's spdif outputs if it didn't have convenient headers for you

[21:39:07]

thebishop:

[Peter], what about hacking something off of the rear coax out?

[21:39:07]

i_is_cat:

ya i use rtjpeg it only started happening after i changed the location of my media collection to my entire /home/user dir and i guess after i installed compiz-fusion

[21:39:14]

RyeBrye:

gbee: I've been submitting hundreds and hudreds of tickets related to VDPAU – I thought that was helpful? ;)

[21:39:31]

** RyeBrye jokes. **

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[Peter]:

thebishop: that's possible

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RyeBrye:

thebishop: yes – coax out is digital

[21:40:06]

[Peter]:

thebishop: what gfx card are you using?

[21:40:19]

thebishop:

[Peter], it's an Nvidia 9800GT made by Asus

[21:40:19]

sphery:

RyeBrye: only helpful if you report things that aren't bugs as bugs--so we can see which non-bugs will be reported when VDPAU is in stable Myth

[21:40:47]

Dibblah:

Hrm. Who was asking about power meters last night?

[21:40:53]

Dibblah:

http://www.google.org/powermeter/faqs.html

[21:40:55]

sphery:

Dibblah: me!

[21:40:58]

RyeBrye:

sphery: good point. I will start reporting things like "HEy, I hit 'P' and the playback stopped. Hitting 'p" a second time did not stop it for a second time – it started it playing again."

[21:41:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: My bigclock patch was committed by paulh (thanks!), so you could "rm mythlcdserver.cpp" and svn up to get the 'real deal'... ;-)

[21:41:06]

Dibblah:

Not there yet, but...

[21:41:13]

gbee:

heh, if only I thought they were helpful, rather the eagerness with which people are submitting tickets just feels like we released 0.22 last night and everyone forgot to tell me

[21:41:19]

sphery:

RyeBrye: that's a good one--that I hadn't seen, yet

[21:41:21]

thebishop:

RyeBrye, it looks like the internal s/pdif is supposed to be +5/space/spdif/ground any clue how I can wire that off of the coax jack?

[21:41:33]

RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A: I can just say "tf" when it asks me to merge too and it would take their full file

[21:41:40]

wagnerrp:

Dibblah: well thats interesting

[21:41:48]

wagnerrp:

although our area doesnt have 'smart' meters yet

[21:41:54]

sphery:

Dibblah: yeah, I saw something about that today, but also saw that though they have software, they're waiting for someone else to step up and make hardware

[21:42:19]

wagnerrp:

which is odd because we were one of the first areas with a BPL test

[21:42:40]

RyeBrye:

thebishop: Your video card wants the +5 and ground for the SPDIF? My card didn't care about those and just took two pins – I'm guessing SPDIF & Ground

[21:42:41]

sphery:

Dibblah: my info from the (always suspect): http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/910/ . . . h-smart-grid

[21:42:56]

[Peter]:

thebishop: ground would be the shield and spdif the pin

[21:42:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: ;-) That's cool. He also added an optional DB entry to make it possible to have a different setting for the LCD than the myth default.

[21:43:09]

[Peter]:

thebishop: I guess you'd have to get +5V from something else

[21:43:20]

rotty:

anybody any hint regarding mixer control?

[21:43:22]

thebishop:

[Peter] RyeBrye, so the +5 is probably not necessary for passthrough?

[21:43:35]

[Peter]:

thebishop: no idea

[21:43:50]

RyeBrye:

thebishop: I'm guessing no. On my card, it was just 2 wires on the header on the card.

[21:43:56]

gbee:

"No personally identifying information will be shared between Google and the user's utility" – because Google have gone on record several times to say that they don't believe an IP address is personably identifiable information, even when everyone else knows that it is

[21:44:06]

RyeBrye:

thebishop: probably depends on the video card that you have – but I"m guessing "no"

[21:44:06]

thebishop:

RyeBrye, yeah, come to think of it, there's only 2 pins on the GPU, so that should do it

[21:45:05]

RyeBrye:

thebishop: I'd just solder to the connectors of the mobo's Coax since I like to solder – but you could also take a coax cable and cut it off and splice and then just play around to see which one should go to which pin

[21:45:10]

RyeBrye:

50 / 50 chance you are right the first time

[21:45:27]

gbee:

and this being google, that information they collect will be cross referenced with your email, web searches, page hits to sites carrying google ads or counters etc and whatever else they are tracking these days :D

[21:45:46]

thebishop:

so I could basically cut the motherboard end off this passthrough cable, and splice/solder them with a regular rca cable from the coax. and then just tuck the wire back into the case through a vent hole or something

[21:45:47]

RyeBrye:

gbee: not to mention stored for 10,000 years

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RyeBrye:

thebishop: yeah, basically. if it doesn't work you are only out a passthrough cable and an RCA cable

[21:47:14]

RyeBrye:

thebishop: I'd probably put a pin in the mobo passthrough cable and then clip to the RCA cable when I was testing it to make sure so that I wouldn't screw up the mobo passthrough cable until I knew it would work

[21:47:59]

thebishop:

RyeBrye, you raise a good point about soldering to the connector directly, if enough of the connector is exposed. this microATX case is getting pretty crowded already

[21:49:10]

RyeBrye:

thebishop: you could still test outside the case and verify that it works.

[21:52:43]

thebishop:

i wonder what they were thinking not having s/pdif pins. this is annoying. they also stuck 6 sata ports facing outward right into the metal wall of the chassis. i had to unseat the entire board and jam it in with the sata cable connected to get the hard drive plugged in

[21:53:36]

sphery:

thebishop: Perhaps they were meant to be eSATA connectors... You just forgot to cut out the appropriate part of your case.

[21:53:54]

thebishop:

sphery, laffles

[21:55:38]

thebishop:

on a side note, this is my first PC with sata drives. I didn't realize those power connectors were so wimpy

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justinh:

yeah you need to be a tad more careful with sata connectors – you no longer need a wrench to move the power connector

[21:56:29]

thebishop:

justinh, they need to split the different

[21:56:31]

** gbee prefers them **

[21:56:32]

thebishop:

*difference

[21:56:50]

justinh:

the old style could carry 10 amps per pin. a tad over-zealous since about 1990

[21:57:34]

thebishop:

i'm worried a bit of wind is going to blow the connector off, or worse bend the connector on the HDD

[21:57:46]

justinh:

I quite like sata connectors but you have to be careful of snappage

[21:58:11]

justinh:

treat em gingerly, not yoik them like you had to with the old style

[21:58:28]

[Peter]:

thebishop: if you don't like the SATA connectors, what do you think of HDMI connectors? :)

[21:58:41]

laga:

i had to use a wrench a couple of times with the old connectors

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thebishop:

the data cables are nice. i'm glad to be rid of those awful IDE ribbons, but the power is too wide for such a shallow contact

[21:58:54]

justinh:

no it's not

[21:59:14]

justinh:

they don't even pop off in shipping products.. and we test our product extensively

[21:59:18]

justinh:

we have to

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thebishop:

justinh, i'll take your word for it, but they were slipping for me the other night when i installed them

[21:59:58]

justinh:

they didn't come away in a 10 metre drop test.. but maybe our packing is better than most pCs :P

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thebishop:

[Peter], they scare the crap out of me on my TV. on the PS3, they feel reasonably solid. It's a pretty big improvement all around though, so I'll put up with it

[22:00:26]

justinh:

thebishop: assuming yours are proper ones made by Molex

[22:00:52]

justinh:

seen some very poor cheap far Eastern sata cables. oof

[22:01:05]

thebishop:

justinh, they're coming off of a Thermaltake PSU. I dunno who molded the contact

[22:01:23]

justinh:

probably cheapy far eastern then

[22:01:43]

justinh:

some are better than others, as always

[22:02:08]

thebishop:

thanks for the help guys, gotta catch a train

[22:02:50]

justinh:

gah. a few albums musicbrains no recognise. need to dig the discs out

[22:03:23]

thebishop:

justinh, someone needs to get musicbrains working with record players

[22:03:30]

thebishop:

Last.FM too

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justinh:

no interest in last.fm whatsoever

[22:04:07]

thebishop:

i'd still like it to update when i play vinyl

[22:04:24]

justinh:

oh look, somebody has been listing to 'X' again. Woop

[22:04:41]

justinh:

though I quite like the idea of suggesting other stuff I might like

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thebishop:

Banshee does cool stuff with it

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J-e-f-f-A:

hey justinh – how'd you make out on your CD ripping?

[22:05:16]

justinh:

still going strong

[22:05:31]

justinh:

got almost all the albums I can find done

[22:05:47]

justinh:

next up is tag straightening, and album art insertion

[22:06:01]

justinh:

and after that, the joyless task of doing all the singles. yech

[22:06:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: How fast are your rips going? I don't know if you saw my comment... I've got an old Yamaha CD-R that has 40x audio extraction... it FLIES when ripping audio cds...

[22:06:12]

justinh:

most of which won't be in any database

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justinh:

my pioneer dvd multiwriters are all slower than the sony drive at work

[22:06:45]

justinh:

managing about 5–10x here

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justinh:

assuming the disc is in good shape

[22:07:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: For example... 20 seconds to extract a 5 minute song... ;-)

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justinh:

I'd never have thought that my newer writers would be so bad at pulling audio off

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justinh:

but then it wasn't a criteria I even considered when I bought them

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: I think the Yamaha was a breed of it's own... The highest I've ever seen on any other drive has been like 16x. This thing was like $240 when I bought it though, when an el-cheapo CD-R was like $80 — but after having 2 cheap CD-Rs dies on me, I bought it...

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justinh:

my old scsi yamaha was excellent too, but it died

[22:10:09]

justinh:

I literally wore it out

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AndyCap:

heh, people still buy scsi plextor drives for cdda

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sphery:

I'm still using my 6x DVD-ROM from 1999

[22:11:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

Anduin: Yeah, I've got a couple of the external Nec Multispin 6x drives that use a caddy, but have CD Play controls on the front and a small LCD – people use them for CDDA too...

[22:12:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

Anduin: If I had sold them on eBay a year or two ago, I could have gotten good money for them... But now I'd be lucky if they sold for $20 each...

[22:12:47]

AndyCap:

hmm, maybe I should try the nakamichi changer on my shelf

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AndyCap:

I'd need to find one more to get uninterrupted ripping though, and I don't have that many cd's

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AndyCap:

ah, http://benow.ca/forum/topic.page?op=view&key=127 someone made a library with pc interface

[22:16:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

AndyCap: Yep, and some of us here have it, myself included... ;-)

[22:17:04]

AndyCap:

J-e-f-f-A: how is it?

[22:17:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

AndyCap: And it's a DVD Writer too... ;-)

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AndyCap:

yeah I noticed that. :-P

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J-e-f-f-A:

AndyCap: I don't have it connected to my system at the moment – when I bought it, I had visions of scripting backups-to-DVD and automated myth burns, etc... but haven't had the time to play with it.

[22:18:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

AndyCap: There are scripts out there to load it with DVDs and automatically playback a disk with mythvideo... ;-)

[22:19:01]

AndyCap:

J-e-f-f-A: does it work like a tape library or does it have 200 lun's?

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shadash:

Welcome to 1999 people

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shadash:

there have been dvd libraries for a long time

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AndyCap:

shadash: well, last time I looked all the large libraries were just dvdplayers, no pc interface

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shadash:

In the past problem was capicity was too small and media was write only

[22:23:23]

shadash:

AndyCap: they've been around for a while just price was too high for general consumers

[22:23:32]

AndyCap:

overland MO libraries weren't exactly home use

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justinh:

AndyCap: doing this lot to flac, so hopefully no re-ripping ever needed :)

[22:24:52]

shadash:

Also dvd's suffer from "cd-rot"

[22:24:52]

justinh:

mp3 sucks. I listen in headphones.. good ones

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** AndyCap still thinks this is cool though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or7JWkdwy-w **

[22:25:13]

justinh:

some discs have taken hours to rip because of the age/damage

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shadash:

The thing with tape backups is that tape is guranteed for 20years I think dvd = 3–7 years

[22:27:29]

shadash:

also because of the hard case around each tape they just tend to last a long time

[22:27:37]

sphery:

yeah, but marketers told us that optical media like CD's and DVD's will last us for 100yrs

[22:27:42]

AndyCap:

shadash: tape has a better track record. Kodak promised 100 years for photocd

[22:28:00]

shadash:

I've seen old ibm tapes from the 70's that still work

[22:28:34]

shadash:

go ahead and trust your companies data on a kodak photo dvd or just go with what's tried and tested

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** AndyCap is not so confident that he can read lto4 20 years from today though **

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AndyCap:

better to try not to have to.

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shadash:

what a lot of people are moving to is cloud storage

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AndyCap:

puff. data gone.

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J-e-f-f-A:

AndyCap: It works like a tape library — There's one DVD recorder, and 200 slots.

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shadash:

but even then you're just trusting a 3rd party to backup your data

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J-e-f-f-A:

[ot] my stuipid winblows XP box just crashed... must have overheated or something... turned off without warning... It's like 5 years old, maybe it's full of dust... [/me pulls off the side to check, with a can of compressed air in hand]

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AndyCap:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, found mtx on the wiki.

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shadash:

there's another neat new technology. Basically you install a vm type application on several nodes in a cluster the vm application serves up available space to a central management system.

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AndyCap:

shadash: yeah. I read about that in byte in 92. didn't go anywhere. :>

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shadash:

the central management system shares out the conglomerated storage to a single system

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shadash:

It's only realistic for use in large clusters

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shadash:

that have 100's of nodes with free space on all nodes

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shadash:

the downside is writes take up bandwith. Which can slow down the cluster

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shadash:

so you gain storage but lose computational ability of the cluster

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shadash:

Trust me on this one dvd libraries are not the way to go

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shadash:

maybe if you just wanted to serve up dvd's

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shadash:

to watch them

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J-e-f-f-A:

(ooh, lots of dust in the cpu cooler... guess I havent cleaned out that poor Athlon 2500+ in a LONG while... DOH!)

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shadash:

but if that's the case you might as well just rip the dvds to a local storage the access times would be much faster

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shadash:

and as long as your on a raid storage data should be easier to manage + not lose to mechnical issues

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Gumby:

depending on the raid type

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shadash:

I've run into people that try to use removable drives to backup data on

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wagnerrp:

shadash: whats wrong with that?

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Gumby:

indeed

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shadash:

again it's a poor solution b/c if you drop one drive and it fails you're screwed

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shadash:

drives aren't designed to be transported

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Gumby:

um.... only if you drop the drive while at the same time the original in pc drives go bunk

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wagnerrp:

well thats their fault for a singular backup

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shadash:

and drives only guarantee data for 2–3 years

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Gumby:

internal backup only is also just as stupid

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shadash:

even though they can last much longer

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shadash:

What's going to be interesting is how the Solid State drive market shakes out

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shadash:

Those can be made portable

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shadash:

ie. no moving parts

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shadash:

Another neat tech in storage is de-duplication which basically does the same thing for data that Compression Algorithms do

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shadash:

for files

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high-rez:

well poop. rtc didn't help

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shadash:

What? Isn't storage a fun thing to talk about? ;-)

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shadash:

nobody cares because you don't need a backup until you need a backup

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shadash:

I'm also watching a couple of the snapshot capiable filesystems working their way into the kernel

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shadash:

It'd be really cool of you could backup a snapshot of a running OS without touching the running Os in any way

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wagnerrp:

deduplication?

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unimaginative:

Well, I guess my psuedorandom lockups were caused by my nVidia driver. I runnuing a beta driver for some reason, (mabye the latest version that supported my FX5200?) So far (about 8 hours) I havent had a lockup yet.

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wagnerrp:

running os, meaning memory image and all?

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simoo:

Hi im thinking of getting a Nova-T 500 Dual http://efficientpc.co.uk/accessories/tvtuners/novat500/ is that a good move?

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shadash:

yes

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wagnerrp:

well you can do that with VMs, but ive not heard of a full OS with that capability

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wagnerrp:

honestly, you would have to do it with a VM/hypervisor

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shadash:

you can do that with VM's eventually you'll be able to do it with local systems

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wagnerrp:

because you would have to have the program running and recovering the snapshot in memory

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wagnerrp:

so you would have to have some non-recovered memory dedicated towards that process

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shadash:

I'm not the superman that knows how to do it I just know people are working on it

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clever:

shadash: ive used lvm to make a snapshot of my / volume before

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wagnerrp:

clever: hes talking about system image snapshotting, not file snapshotting

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clever:

if you did it while mounted, the snapshot would simply appear as though it was uncleanly mounted

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simoo:

anyone have any trouble with a WinTV Nova-T 500 Dual?

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wagnerrp:

ive actually moved my servers completely over to ZFS

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shadash:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_deduplication

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clever:

the only problem i had with snapshoting the root volume

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clever:

i then had 2 block devices with identical UUID's

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wagnerrp:

the main server boots to UFS, and then immediately shifts over to a ZFS root

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clever:

so it booted from the 'wrong' one

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wagnerrp:

the other systems are all iscsi-booted with images on the ZFS file system

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wagnerrp:

so everything can be snapshotted

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clever:

deduplication could be usefull at a block layer level

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clever:

but wouldnt realy work enless you did it within the filesystem

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shadash:

it is what it is

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mzb_d800:

it is possible to create a snapshot of the root filesystem with LVM

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k-man:

is there any way in mythmusic to browse music by album name rather than artis/album name?

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mzb_d800:

(if you're root _is_ LVM!)

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mzb_d800:

s/you're/your/

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clever:

mzb_d800: ive moved my linux hdd between 2 diff laptops before

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clever:

and didnt want to muck arround with undoing the 'damage' of switching from ati->nvidia

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JEDIDIAH__:

I'

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jams:

k-man- you would need to change the tree sorting to album.

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JEDIDIAH__:

I've done the same thing (brain transplant) with desktops/

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jams:

it's on the 2nd page of mythmusic general settings

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clever:

so i made a snapshot of it working with ati, to use as a reference of 'working' config to fix things later

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JEDIDIAH__:

both boxes had nvidia cards so I didn't even have to muck with the video drivers.

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k-man:

jams: so you can't really alternate between artis and album view on the fly?

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gravyflex:

I have ubuntu packages for mythtv installed. I compiled the latest svn and installed to /opt/mythtv and it runs but cannot connect to database. I should be able to connect to my current db or do i have create a new one?

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jams:

k-man- not that i know of

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k-man:

jams: ok thanks

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high-rez:

pfft

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high-rez:

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