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| [00:41:30] | squish102: | has anyone tried a linksys media extender dma 2100 with mythtv? |
| [00:42:00] | squish102: | is this the best place to find out if it works? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/UPnP#UPnP-client_hardware: |
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| [00:46:53] | jfry: | anyone here running 0.22 that can answer some questions? Like: Is it ready for prime time? Is it compatible with a .21 server? and Is it worth upgrading? |
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| [01:07:33] | xris: | jfry: mythbackend/frontend must be the same version |
| [01:07:38] | xris: | and trunk is usually pretty stable. |
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| [01:27:05] | jfry: | xris: thanks... but is it worth the upgrade... right now I'm on mythbuntu 8.10 and I've been stable, the wife is happy, etc... is it worth the upgrade? |
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| [01:48:09] | Dagmar: | jfry: Dude, if it's working fine then don't mess with it for now |
| [01:50:08] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: You /never/ get anything like this? http://misc.thirdcontact.com/CSI_Miami-Kind_Of.png This is a great example of their incompetence, too. Notice that a) they decide the show isn't important, so they shrink it, b) they can't encode at 1080i, so they use an NTSC encoder meaning that audio cuts from 5.1-ch AC-3 to 2-ch and it's a 4:3 image pillarboxed in the 16:9 stream at other than HDTV quality, c) they don't ... |
| [01:50:15] | sphery: | ... properly deinterlace before down- and/or up-scaling (down-scaling to make it smaller in the 4:3 NTSC they're rendering and up-scaling to the 1080i broadcast). |
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| [01:51:19] | jfry: | That's what I keep telling myself... but then I get bored with .21... it's been too long between releases! I ran .21 for a few months before it was released with no issues as I have a fairly simple setup with widely used hardware (hauppage, hdhomerun, etc) so if .22 is feature complete and mostly stable and nearing a release, I'd love to upgrade... but only if it's worth taking a bit of a risk... is it remarkably better? |
| [01:51:30] | sphery: | jfry: I completely agree with Dagmar. Don't "upgrade" to the development trunk branch if your system is working fine. It's not finished, so things that work fine in -fixes don't all work in trunk. |
| [01:51:48] | sphery: | it's not feature complete |
| [01:51:53] | jfry: | Fair enough... |
| [01:51:56] | jfry: | Thanks! |
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| [01:53:18] | sphery: | And, besides, if you run trunk, you need to subscribe to and read the mythtv-dev and -commits lists (including all the messages on them since 0.21 was released), and problem solving becomes /your/ responsibilty (and people tend to get upset when someone using trunk wastes their time with a question about something that's known to be not working or that requires changes to configuration or ...) |
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| [01:55:02] | jfry: | sphery: I have seen similar to what you have.... and I expect that we will continue to see it until things settle down in regards to DTV. Some stations just don't have someone who really understands it all. |
| [01:56:43] | jfry: | sphery: I agree with the problem solving aspect... I just wasn't sure how "unstable" it was. I remember that .21 was Release Candidate quality for months prior to it's release, but I haven't been following .22 development enough to know how far it's come. |
| [01:56:45] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Seen any of Chuck yet tonight? how's the 3D? |
| [01:56:56] | sphery: | yeah, iamlindoro was saying that he never gets any of those interruptions in his broadcasts and a couple other people in here said the same about their areas. I've been wondering whether it's more common for stations to mess with the shows they broadcast (with ads/alerts/etc) or to not mess with them. |
| [01:57:02] | sphery: | javem |
| [01:57:05] | sphery: | oops |
| [01:57:22] | sphery: | that's "haven'" with right hand one spot right of the home keys |
| [01:57:31] | sphery: | haven't started watching tonight's broadcast. |
| [01:58:06] | sphery: | the 3D commercial was good, though (and just over a minute) plus the following Sobi Lieve (sp?) water add had some 3D |
| [01:58:07] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I imagine it's most common in places with inclement weather-- worst we ever see here is a stiff breeze |
| [01:58:08] | jamesd: | iamlindoro, it was okay, but no where near as good as the commercials during the superbowl |
| [01:58:44] | iamlindoro: | Hmm... as long as there's some 3D Yvonne Straldkjafhldha,mbtasdgis |
| [01:59:33] | jfry: | Thanks for reminding me to pull the superbowl from my livetv queue... I didn't have glasses last night and wanted to check out the commercials. |
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| [02:01:00] | iamlindoro: | sphery, So, have you seen my little screencast of my patch for fanart/banner support in the PBB? |
| [02:02:08] | sphery: | I didn't get a chance to download #2, yet. Just seen the MV part of it. |
| [02:02:16] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/PBB_Fanart.ogg |
| [02:02:30] | iamlindoro: | That's about 40 lines of code on top of what you've already seen |
| [02:02:37] | sphery: | iamlindoro: so, since they do it for weather, they figure, "Hey, we could /also/ do this for ads..." Sounds about right. |
| [02:03:37] | iamlindoro: | That would annoy the holy heck out of me |
| [02:04:24] | sphery: | You have live preview enabled or is the occasional glitch in the preview area just because of the screen cap program? |
| [02:05:17] | iamlindoro: | sphery, It's the capture program, and isn't limited to just the preview area |
| [02:05:23] | iamlindoro: | (and no live preview in trunk anyway) |
| [02:06:37] | iamlindoro: | All the screencap stuff + OpenGL render don't agree with each other |
| [02:06:50] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Yeah... Though at least now I understand why some people think it's appropriate to archive shows. In a typical season, at least 2 episodes (sometimes as many as 5 or 6) would have some kind of alert (weather or "breaking" news, like the Caley(sp?) Anthony thing) plus the majority have some ads in them at some place. |
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| [02:07:13] | sphery: | So, I always thought people who archive shows were a lot less picky about what's worth keeping than I am. |
| [02:07:28] | sphery: | heh, yeah, forgot about live preview being disabled, currently |
| [02:07:32] | iamlindoro: | sphery, In my case the worst thing I see is the semitransparent corner network watermark |
| [02:07:51] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Anyway, not bad for guessing on the fly :) Still not a single false positive |
| [02:08:17] | sphery: | Yeah, we have that over > 95% of each episode (they may not have it for 30s or so between breaks on some breaks) |
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| [02:08:23] | iamlindoro: | Then again, having written how they are detected I'm smart enough to name them right :) |
| [02:08:36] | sphery: | heh, that always helps |
| [02:08:38] | iamlindoro: | Well, with some help ;) |
| [02:10:42] | BassKozz: | Whats up everyone? |
| [02:10:47] | sphery: | I was amazed at some of the bugs people found in the backup/restore code... Like, if you don't specify a backup filename, it attempts to find the most current, but since the dev who committed the scripts changed the script name, the backup and restore scripts themselves match the filename glob, so if either script is in the backup directory, it would try to restore the DB by piping the script to mysql... No need to say it ... |
| [02:10:53] | sphery: | ... didn't work too well. But, even if I had used the name they use now, I never would have thought to test that. |
| [02:11:15] | sphery: | the above for restore, as you may have guessed |
| [02:12:10] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I'm only just now reading your paragraph from above-- no, *never* have I had a local broadcaster do anything remotely close to that |
| [02:12:14] | jpabq: | My local NBC station is showing Chuck in SD. |
| [02:13:09] | iamlindoro: | sphery, The only think I have ever seen overlaid (locally) is the watermark... where I went to college/grad school we had weather warnings... but nothing here |
| [02:13:15] | ** cesman gave up on Chuck near the end of season 1 ** | |
| [02:13:38] | iamlindoro: | Chuck is super fun, as long as you don't expect Shakespeare |
| [02:13:42] | BassKozz: | Anyone know if Dagmar is around, I feel like asking some stupid questions? |
| [02:13:45] | sphery: | iamlindoro: it just got worse... Now they've cut the feed of the show to show their nice HDTV "Local 6 Weather Alert" graphic, then a weather report for--at least--the last 10 minutes of CSI: Miami. Oh well, it's not like they tell you anything important to the storyline during the last 10 minutes of CSI shows... |
| [02:14:14] | ** sphery wants to tell some idiots at the station that if I wanted to watch a weather warning I'd be watching their 24-hr weather subchannel ** | |
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| [02:14:33] | iamlindoro: | *bing* It's 6:15 PM, time for the nightly "Get on Mythweb and schedule Dollhouse on Feb 13th" |
| [02:14:36] | cesman: | no, no expectations of The Bard |
| [02:14:57] | iamlindoro: | if you haven't done it yet, still 11 shopping days 'til Whedon |
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| [02:15:26] | ** cesman thanks iamlindoro for the reminder ** | |
| [02:15:28] | Zanthus: | hi everybody |
| [02:15:28] | sphery: | brain/keyboard filter is going crazy trying to stop me from typing all the inappropriate-for-this-channel things I'm thinking about them |
| [02:15:36] | iamlindoro: | cesman, ;) |
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| [02:16:04] | cesman: | Hi Dr Nick! |
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| [02:16:44] | Zanthus: | hi; I'm just a bit confused with the key settings in mythtv 0.21 |
| [02:16:46] | sphery: | iamlindoro: and they cut from the weather alert to "History in the making"--"on the eve of just an incredible day tomorrow" (the inauguration) |
| [02:16:59] | sphery: | Why do they even say they broadcast TV shows? |
| [02:17:12] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Jeez, sounds like they don't think much of their programming |
| [02:17:31] | sphery: | pretty much sums up what I think of them |
| [02:17:57] | Zanthus: | how (in ~/lircrc or in "Setup" > "Edit Keys") do I change the key assignments for mythtv's internal DVD player? |
| [02:19:02] | Zanthus: | I don't see a section for the internal DVD playing module specifically |
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| [02:19:07] | sphery: | iamlindoro: sounds like you're convinced that Fox won't change the schedule and delay Dollhouse for a couple more weeks... |
| [02:19:47] | iamlindoro: | sphery, That I *am* convinced of, because it's not fox unless they start it on one night and move it to another without telling anyone, then pre-empt it for two weeks for sporting events, then cancel it. |
| [02:19:58] | sphery: | I figure they'll cancel it before they show any episodes, but they'll take 4–5 years to allow Whedon to buy the rights to release it on DVD. |
| [02:20:54] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I'm crossing my fingers "102" means it was second in production order, but is the intended pilot for once |
| [02:21:24] | outlier: | What's a good OTA HD tuner for the US ? |
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| [02:21:41] | sphery: | I will admit that a lot of shows have unaired pilots (i.e. the for-the-network-execs pilots) that aren't properly part of the final imagining of the show. |
| [02:21:44] | BassKozz: | outlier: HDHomeRun |
| [02:21:57] | hobophobe: | Does anyone here use ipn330hd or have protips for lirc config via irrecord? |
| [02:22:43] | hobophobe: | like, the remote has two emitters, should I try to cover one/will that help in capturing the sequences? |
| [02:23:16] | sphery: | iamlindoro: BTW, love the video. |
| [02:23:22] | outlier: | BassKozz: Thanks |
| [02:24:05] | BassKozz: | np |
| [02:24:22] | iamlindoro: | sphery, thanks :) Hope the approach is at least somewhat acceptable-- works well to allow MV and the PBB to share the media, although obviously assigning it in the DB would work too |
| [02:24:27] | sphery: | jpabq: I'm getting 3D /and/ HDTV |
| [02:24:53] | hobophobe: | hmm |
| [02:25:04] | jpabq: | I am emailing the local NBC station with the subject "Chuck was supposed to be 3D not SD" |
| [02:25:07] | hobophobe: | it gets the gap the same every time, is it safe to assume it's got that right? |
| [02:25:12] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I would be open to an eventual scheduler grabber assigning it in the DB, but I would want to use the current method as a fall back before displaying nothing at all |
| [02:25:54] | sphery: | It's watchable without glasses, but not like Medium was--Medium was broadcast with only certain sections in 3D (with appropriate "put on your glasses" graphic). All of Chuck seems to be in 3D. |
| [02:26:47] | hobophobe: | Has anyone tried to brute force codes before? |
| [02:27:05] | sphery: | jpabq: Yeah, definitely worth a complaint. You're missing a lot if you don't get that particular episode in HDTV. |
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| [02:27:29] | sphery: | should request a re-airing on their time (i.e. non-primetime/Saturday/whatever) |
| [02:29:49] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I can't watch Chuck, yet... My Athlon XP 2000+ backend does commflagging at ~18fps, so it's still grinding away, even though Chuck finished airing 30 minutes ago. (Currently at 80% complete.) |
| [02:30:46] | iamlindoro: | sphery, There's always the "skip through real quick and set a cutlist" approach |
| [02:30:51] | iamlindoro: | (Which I usually do) |
| [02:31:19] | iamlindoro: | Since then I can confirm it while watching, but before transcoding |
| [02:31:26] | sphery: | but that would make me see parts I'm not supposed to see, yet. |
| [02:32:01] | iamlindoro: | 5–7 frames of each segment, whoopty doo |
| [02:32:05] | sphery: | For instance, if I were to do that and find out that the last 10 minutes were never broadcast, I'd have to decide whether to watch it or wait for it to re-run/be released on DVD. |
| [02:32:11] | iamlindoro: | (if skipping at one minute intervals) |
| [02:33:36] | jpabq: | sphery: one of the reasons my local stations blow it like that, is *THEY* have to re-broadcast everything. National shows (like Chuck) are transmitted by NBC twice each night — once for Eastern/Central and again for Pacific. Here in the Mountain timezone the stations have to record the Eastern feed, then broadcast it an hour later. Otherwise the shows would be broadcast too early or too late. |
| [02:34:07] | wagnerrp: | i really need to get trunk running on freebsd (my file server) |
| [02:34:15] | wagnerrp: | an extra dual core chip would go a long way |
| [02:34:45] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, BAck when Greyfoxx had it compiling on one of the BSDs, (maybe in the .20.2 era), you might pick his brain |
| [02:35:00] | jpabq: | My local NBC station does not have the equipment to add an OSD to one of their "recorded" shows. So, they switch to SD to add their weather maps and banners, then switch to HD once they are done annoying me. About 20% of the time, they forget to switch back to HD. |
| [02:35:13] | hobophobe: | this pisses me off my last box had a perfectly good rs232 that let me change channels without this IR crap |
| [02:35:18] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i actually put out a patch for 0.21 to compile under freebsd |
| [02:35:27] | hobophobe: | and now I'm stuck with a box that has impossible IR codes |
| [02:35:28] | iamlindoro: | ah, ok |
| [02:35:30] | wagnerrp: | but with trunk, there seems to be a fair bit of qt issues |
| [02:35:31] | sphery: | jpabq: yeah, I was just talking about my local station annoying me that way... |
| [02:35:39] | wagnerrp: | which may or may not be related to my particular install |
| [02:35:50] | wagnerrp: | and i just havent gotten up the motivation to fix it, one way or the other |
| [02:36:10] | sphery: | jpabq: at least it was CSI: Miami, and not Chuck (or, at least, TTBOMK right now, I don't think that Chuck was interrupted tonight) |
| [02:36:53] | jpabq: | David Caruso (sic?) annoys me |
| [02:37:20] | sphery: | yeah, it seems that a /lot/ of people just plain hate that guy |
| [02:37:37] | wagnerrp: | hes trying to be slick and cool... and a redheaded irishman just cant pull it off |
| [02:37:45] | sphery: | I'm more into the show because of location (just down the road from me) |
| [02:37:48] | hobophobe: | fuck |
| [02:37:50] | wagnerrp: | Conan manages it because hes god damned hilarious, but thats about it |
| [02:37:57] | sphery: | hobophobe: language, please |
| [02:38:16] | hobophobe: | I apologize. |
| [02:38:39] | sphery: | hobophobe: what box do you have now? |
| [02:38:52] | hobophobe: | I thought I had it working but it was my cat had jumped on the remote |
| [02:39:06] | sphery: | hobophobe: is it DirecTV? (Guessing since you were using RS232, before.) |
| [02:39:08] | hobophobe: | It's an ipn330hd which is cisco/scientific atlantic iptv box |
| [02:39:27] | hobophobe: | no, before I had a dct2000 |
| [02:39:40] | sphery: | Cable co? If so, have you considered asking for a firewire-enabled box? They have to provide one on request and--even if you can't record from firewire--you can usually use it to change channels. |
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| [02:40:11] | hobophobe: | I could, but they wouldn't... this is at&t and they don't have *any* fw boxes |
| [02:40:22] | hobophobe: | it's IPTV so I'm not sure if traditional cable rules apply |
| [02:40:36] | sphery: | oh... you're probably right about that |
| [02:40:44] | iamlindoro: | indeed, they are not bound by it |
| [02:41:18] | hobophobe: | I wish that a giant meteor would fragment in the atmosphere and kill all the idiots who make bad technological decisions that negatively impact billions of people every day |
| [02:42:38] | hobophobe: | It would be like getting into heaven only to find out that it's laggy |
| [02:42:49] | hobophobe: | the way there is all this tech and they hamper it constantly |
| [02:43:08] | hobophobe: | at every turn they are making it work poorly because of their greed and ignorance |
| [02:43:31] | hobophobe: | so this isn't going to work, I am not going to have cable anymore, and that's just wonderful |
| [02:44:29] | hobophobe: | you guys have a good night, I'm gonna try this a few more times and then get really sad and sit in the dark for awhile |
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| [02:45:05] | iamlindoro: | that was dramatic |
| [02:46:13] | wagnerrp: | well... you could always switch to comcast and get free porn! |
| [02:47:00] | _abbenormal: | lol at least he said a few more times |
| [02:47:43] | BassKozz: | did someone say free porn? |
| [02:47:48] | BassKozz: | wagnerrp: please, do tell? |
| [02:48:13] | iamlindoro: | They accidentally aired porn during the superbowl in Tucson |
| [02:48:22] | iamlindoro: | unfortunately, the plan involves time travel and moving to Tucson |
| [02:48:23] | BassKozz: | ohh yeah, heard about that |
| [02:48:32] | BassKozz: | it was only comcast customers thou? |
| [02:48:33] | wagnerrp: | BassKozz: some tech spliced in about 30 seconds of some pornstar flapping his dick on camera about 3 minutes before the end of the game |
| [02:48:43] | wagnerrp: | only comcast in Tucson |
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| [02:49:11] | BassKozz: | iamlindoro: I've figured out the time travel thing, but Tucson |
| [02:49:14] | BassKozz: | s not for me |
| [02:49:26] | iamlindoro: | Tucson is actually quite nice |
| [02:49:31] | iamlindoro: | <-- went to college there |
| [02:49:42] | wagnerrp: | ive got a friend in Phoenix |
| [02:49:44] | sphery: | heh, flurry of responses to the SVN revision numbers question :) |
| [02:49:47] | BassKozz: | j/k, never been |
| [02:49:57] | iamlindoro: | sphery, But none as right as mine ;) |
| [02:50:02] | wagnerrp: | although i dont understand why he decided to move there |
| [02:50:06] | sphery: | except, perhaps, mine! |
| [02:50:12] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Haha, using near identical language |
| [02:50:13] | wagnerrp: | hes the kind of albino who doesnt tan, he lobsters |
| [02:51:13] | iamlindoro: | sphery, To be specific, the 360 won't play the MPEg-2 codec *period* via uPnP, never mind the container |
| [02:51:40] | sphery: | ghost of hobophobe: OTA ftw!!! |
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| [02:52:08] | sphery: | iamlindoro: pretty sure someone told me that it would play mpeg-2 in an MS container |
| [02:52:29] | iamlindoro: | sphery, But that's not via uPnp, that's using the Media Center Extender functionality |
| [02:52:43] | sphery: | but, regardless, I chose to err on the side of overly-specific rather than leaving a gaping hole for some troll to start yelling at me |
| [02:52:54] | ** iamlindoro yells at sphery ** | |
| [02:53:10] | sphery: | I just didn't feel like looking it up for some random user on the list |
| [02:53:48] | sphery: | heh, not saying you're yelling--or that you're a troll... Just saying that no one can tell me my current statement is wrong--only that it's not the whole story. |
| [02:54:16] | iamlindoro: | I get it ;) |
| [02:58:03] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Guess you're right... It's only (some) MPEG-4 that's supported. http://blogs.msdn.com/xboxteam/archive/2007/1 . . . ack-faq.aspx |
| [02:58:27] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Even a broken clock is right twice a day :) |
| [02:59:34] | BassKozz: | iamlindoro: not a digital one |
| [03:01:11] | sphery: | iamlindoro: HD-PVR is MPEG-4 AVC in MPEG-4 container? |
| [03:02:01] | iamlindoro: | sphery, m2ts container |
| [03:02:33] | sphery: | So, MPEG-2 part 1? |
| [03:02:40] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [03:03:05] | sphery: | that means not the "Containers: MPEG-4, QuickTime" the XBox page says it supports for H.264? ( http://blogs.msdn.com/xboxteam/archive/2007/1 . . . ack-faq.aspx ) |
| [03:03:44] | iamlindoro: | yeah, probably not |
| [03:03:56] | sphery: | So, just to verify that you won't yell at me, I would be correct to say, "Summary, you can /not/ play back any MythTV recordings without transcoding." |
| [03:04:30] | sphery: | Or should I have the "with the possible exception of some HD-PVR recordings--I can't tell based on MS's lack of detail on that page" addendum? |
| [03:05:02] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I can speak only for myself in saying that I'm not aware of any format myth can record that the xbox can play via uPnP |
| [03:05:15] | sphery: | I'll disclaim, then... :) |
| [03:05:45] | iamlindoro: | I think it's fair to say the 360 can't play HD-PVR recordings, I know I've tried that |
| [03:06:18] | iamlindoro: | as it outputs none of the compatible container formats for the 360 |
| [03:07:03] | sphery: | HD-PVR is trunk, only, right (requires unofficial backports for -fixes, right)? |
| [03:07:26] | iamlindoro: | right |
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| [03:07:34] | sphery: | what profile is HD-PVR? |
| [03:07:37] | sphery: | baseline? |
| [03:07:49] | iamlindoro: | also, the HD-PVR's *minimum* bitrate is higher than the 360's *maximum h.264 bitrate |
| [03:07:57] | iamlindoro: | I don't know which profile, sorry |
| [03:08:17] | iamlindoro: | oh n/m my last |
| [03:08:24] | iamlindoro: | apparently it's okay up to 10 Mbit |
| [03:08:41] | iamlindoro: | so as long as one kep thte bitrate set lowish it would be okay |
| [03:08:52] | iamlindoro: | But still, would need to record then change container format |
| [03:09:24] | BassKozz: | If I've build from source in ubuntu how can I remove/uninstall so that I can revert back to .21 w/ fixes? |
| [03:12:16] | iamlindoro: | (assuming a prefix of /usr) go to your source dir, do make uninstall, do an rm /usr/lib/libmyth*, rm -rf /usr/lib/mythtv, rm -rf /usr/include/mythtv, then drop the database, that should get most of it |
| [03:13:02] | BassKozz: | Thanks iamlindoro :-) |
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| [03:17:21] | sphery: | iamlindoro: your correction came too late... |
| [03:17:26] | sphery: | I included that comment in mine |
| [03:18:03] | sphery: | now the trolls will yell at me |
| [03:18:04] | iamlindoro: | D'oh, blame me |
| [03:18:12] | sphery: | heh |
| [03:18:15] | iamlindoro: | They don't like me there anyway |
| [03:18:26] | sphery: | I'll just blame my complete ignorance of all things HD-PVR |
| [03:19:01] | sphery: | is the HD-PVR 2-channel only? |
| [03:19:02] | iamlindoro: | Or in classic user list style you could amend you story entirely to avoid admitting making a mistake |
| [03:19:08] | sphery: | audio wise that is |
| [03:19:17] | iamlindoro: | 2 channel AAC or it will mux in the original AC3 |
| [03:20:20] | iamlindoro: | The latter being my preference :) |
| [03:21:02] | jpabq: | I asked stoth if there was any home for closed caption support on the HD-PVR, and he told me not to hold my breath. |
| [03:21:04] | sphery: | What I said was "it seems that the minimum bitrate for an HD-PVR recording is greater than the maximum-supported bitrate for H.264 on the XBox 360" which means that since it only supports 2-channel AAC, you can't do 5.1-channel AC-3. |
| [03:21:09] | jpabq: | s/home/hope/ |
| [03:21:11] | sphery: | good for -users list ^^^ |
| [03:21:44] | jpabq: | HD-PVR can do AC3 5.1 |
| [03:21:46] | iamlindoro: | sphery, except you can do 5.1 channel AC3 :) |
| [03:22:05] | iamlindoro: | if the original is 5.1 and you're using optical, it'll mux that in |
| [03:22:08] | sphery: | jpabq: I'm still not holding my breath for me to make time to work on the EIA-708 decoding support in Myth... It's a pretty big job, it seems. |
| [03:22:18] | jpabq: | No doubt |
| [03:22:26] | wagnerrp: | chuck is still in standard definition mode coming out of the 4th commercial break |
| [03:22:29] | sphery: | jpabq: yeah, but the XBox 360 only does 2-channel AAC in H.264, no 5.1-channel AC-3 |
| [03:22:40] | sphery: | wagnerrp: mountain time, also? |
| [03:22:42] | jpabq: | wagnerrp: where do you live? |
| [03:22:48] | wagnerrp: | eastern |
| [03:22:52] | sphery: | aren't you MA? |
| [03:22:54] | iamlindoro: | Somewhere near Cincinatti |
| [03:22:59] | wagnerrp: | yeah, cinci |
| [03:23:05] | wagnerrp: | they fixed it after a few seconds |
| [03:23:05] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [03:23:08] | ** sphery is totally confused ** | |
| [03:23:14] | jpabq: | Hmmm, maybe it is not my local stations fault, then. I already sent them a nasty email. |
| [03:23:29] | sphery: | I seem to have HDTV throughout it... |
| [03:23:33] | wagnerrp: | 46min in, whichever break that was |
| [03:23:55] | iamlindoro: | Better have all these kinks worked out for Pacific :) |
| [03:23:56] | wagnerrp: | it was 1080i, but letterboxed and columnboxed |
| [03:24:15] | jpabq: | sphery: HD-PVR can encode 2 channel AAC. or it can mux the original AC3 into the stream instead. If the original AC is 5.1, then that is what gets muxed in. |
| [03:24:41] | jpabq: | wagnerrp: yeah, it is 1080i windowboxed here too. |
| [03:24:51] | iamlindoro: | and as a third option, it can allegedly encode 2 channel AC3 from the analog inputs although I don't think we have access to that in linux ATM |
| [03:24:54] | sphery: | For those who have already watched Chuck: We *are* every*body*! We *are* every*body*! |
| [03:25:14] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Yeah, I knew the little LOST dweeb was gonna be on |
| [03:25:19] | iamlindoro: | Charlie |
| [03:25:30] | iamlindoro: | he's dead, fella's got to make a living somehow |
| [03:26:17] | sphery: | yeah, if Lost were 3 dimensional, he could have stepped outside the room before he locked the hatch, then he wouldn't have died |
| [03:26:40] | sphery: | guess with only 2 dimensions, your options are severely limited by camera placement |
| [03:26:59] | iamlindoro: | Even if the chuck 3d is awesome, I hope we don't see too much gimmick TV |
| [03:27:06] | iamlindoro: | unless it means saving my favorite shows |
| [03:27:10] | wagnerrp: | i like the ad about chuck 3d |
| [03:27:26] | wagnerrp: | no, were in 1d... |
| [03:27:32] | wagnerrp: | except... they were still in 2d |
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| [03:27:48] | wagnerrp: | apparently the writers are not among the gradeschool graduates |
| [03:28:04] | iamlindoro: | Well, they're technically in 1080 of the first dimension :) |
| [03:28:14] | sphery: | iamlindoro: The movie industry was spending >$2B to upgrade theaters across the US to support 3D movies... Looks like 3D (not anaglyphs, though) is supposed to be the new reason to go to the theater rather than watch movies at home. |
| [03:28:43] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Yeah, now if only they could make the movies not suck |
| [03:28:44] | sphery: | So, I'm sure the TV industry will follow suit after a while. |
| [03:28:57] | sphery: | they are releasing 3D ready TV's, now. |
| [03:30:07] | iamlindoro: | Allegedly there will be firmware upgrades to the PS3 to enable some 3D functionality |
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| [03:30:21] | iamlindoro: | If it was *very* well done, I could see enjoying it in a game |
| [03:30:39] | wagnerrp: | how would they add 3d without multiple outputs? |
| [03:30:50] | wagnerrp: | i would surely hate for them to use anaglyphs |
| [03:30:57] | Loto: | unlikely id say |
| [03:31:02] | iamlindoro: | I belive it would be anaglyphs |
| [03:31:31] | sphery: | Did anyone watch the BCS National Championship in 3D at one of the theaters? |
| [03:31:37] | wagnerrp: | does the HDMI/DVI spec support multiple angles? |
| [03:31:41] | Loto: | but 3d tvs wont sell, they have half resolution in 'non' 3d mode wouldnt they |
| [03:31:46] | sphery: | I was wondering how good that was (but not enough to actually go watch it there). |
| [03:31:52] | iamlindoro: | http://kotaku.com/5115781/playstation-3-will-be-3d-ready-in-2009 |
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| [03:32:03] | wagnerrp: | at least 1.3 has certainly got the bandwidth to do so |
| [03:32:20] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I'm a PAC 10 man |
| [03:33:01] | wagnerrp: | awww... hes got red/green glasses |
| [03:33:43] | Loto: | if '3d' would work on past games I could see 3d tvs selling |
| [03:33:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, unless they used 120Hz with active glasses, I can't seem them doing it any other way |
| [03:33:56] | Loto: | but only 'select titles' would kill it |
| [03:34:05] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you could require a splitter and projectors |
| [03:34:08] | sphery: | (well, they could do yellow/blue versus red/cyan, but I'm lumping that into the same way) |
| [03:34:28] | iamlindoro: | http://playstation.joystiq.com/2009/01/08/son . . . tech-at-ces/ |
| [03:34:29] | wagnerrp: | and ive never actually seen a 3d TV |
| [03:34:31] | Loto: | uh, did they wear glasses at e3? i thought it was some new tech |
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| [03:34:40] | wagnerrp: | ive seen monitors |
| [03:34:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: jpabq said his claims 3D support |
| [03:34:54] | iamlindoro: | yes, they wore glasses |
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| [03:35:05] | wagnerrp: | but those are only designed for 3D at a single point about 15" from the screen |
| [03:35:15] | sphery: | (though I think from his description it was with NVIDIA's active glasses approach) |
| [03:35:52] | Loto: | major bullet point was half resolution. I thought it was a lcd tv with 'coating' that aims the light from each pixel alternatingly |
| [03:36:36] | wagnerrp: | Loto: i could live with that |
| [03:36:58] | wagnerrp: | assuming they blended it properly so you didnt see slots in the video |
| [03:37:31] | Loto: | http://www.obsessable.com/news/2009/01/09/ces . . . sonys-3d-tv/ |
| [03:37:49] | Loto: | no mention of glasses |
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| [03:38:11] | iamlindoro: | Doesn't have anything to do with their 3d on the PS3, though |
| [03:38:22] | iamlindoro: | which is anaglyphs |
| [03:38:27] | iamlindoro: | and full resolution |
| [03:38:30] | sphery: | http://www.dimensionalstudios.com/ (probably way out of consumer price range, now) and http://www.dlp.com/hdtv/3-d_dlp_hdtv.aspx |
| [03:38:54] | sphery: | the first is the 2-projector + polarized glasses |
| [03:39:11] | sphery: | the second is active glasses and 120Hz |
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| [03:39:55] | Loto: | ah |
| [03:40:17] | sphery: | I love the "720/1080p 3D Image Mask" in the "Technical links and documents" section of the http://www.dlp.com/hdtv/3-d_dlp_hdtv.aspx page |
| [03:40:27] | Loto: | so ps3 has to render scene twise at half resolution? |
| [03:40:41] | sphery: | pretty sure that's the same background X has before I set the root image |
| [03:40:53] | iamlindoro: | no, there is nothing half resolution about the PS3 approach |
| [03:41:05] | iamlindoro: | it's just anaglyphs |
| [03:41:34] | Loto: | cool |
| [03:42:12] | iamlindoro: | sphery, re: "Confusion about which card to buy for VDPAU," I suppose "none" is a "you're a nazi" answer |
| [03:42:43] | sphery: | heh |
| [03:43:11] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I love how people are switching over from integrated ATI GPU's to discrete nvidia cards so they can "get the power savings" of VDPAU. :) |
| [03:43:38] | sphery: | http://www.next3d.com/NEXT_3D.html |
| [03:43:39] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i imagine games will be rendered at far less than full resolution |
| [03:43:41] | iamlindoro: | sphery, It's a convenient scapegoat for 'OOOH, SOMETHING SHINY!' |
| [03:43:55] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Most PS3 games are actually all 720p upsampled anyway |
| [03:43:58] | sphery: | movies in 3D from an XBox 360 ( http://www.next3d.com/NEXT_3D.html ) |
| [03:44:13] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: thats what i was talking about |
| [03:44:16] | wagnerrp: | same with the xbox |
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| [03:44:52] | sphery: | of course, the 360 is using the shutterglasses approach and 3D-ready TV (120Hz) |
| [03:44:52] | lwizardl: | Hi |
| [03:45:02] | lwizardl: | sphery? |
| [03:45:14] | ** sphery hates active/shutter glasses for 3D ** | |
| [03:45:15] | iamlindoro: | now you're caught, he knows your name |
| [03:45:18] | sphery: | lwizardl: what's up? |
| [03:45:22] | iamlindoro: | like rumplestiltskin |
| [03:45:30] | lwizardl: | sphery, what about 360? |
| [03:45:32] | iamlindoro: | now you have to grant him wishes |
| [03:45:33] | wagnerrp: | never tried shutter glasses |
| [03:45:36] | sphery: | I just hope he doesn't say my name backwards... |
| [03:46:00] | iamlindoro: | what's up with wandering into a channel and then prompting someone to repeat a 20 minute long conversation? |
| [03:46:02] | iamlindoro: | go read the logs |
| [03:46:08] | wagnerrp: | lwizardl: he likes to spin in circles |
| [03:46:10] | sphery: | lwizardl: we were just talking about various 3D approaches for TV following the Chuck 3D episode |
| [03:46:17] | wagnerrp: | makes it look like TV shows have depth |
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| [03:46:33] | sphery: | wagnerrp: well, since they have no depth to the stories... |
| [03:46:50] | iamlindoro: | No amount of dizziness would make Heroes make sense |
| [03:46:56] | wagnerrp: | sphery: usually drugs helps with that |
| [03:47:08] | iamlindoro: | although with PD canceled (JERKS) Bryan Fuller is back on Heroes |
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| [03:47:12] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Which Heroes? They're on the 4th series, now, right? |
| [03:47:28] | sphery: | (each season/half-season has been like a whole new series) |
| [03:47:39] | lwizardl: | sphery: ah ok because I've been looking into 3D stuff allot lately, such as stereoscopic shutterglasses, etc |
| [03:47:49] | sphery: | ah... |
| [03:48:03] | iamlindoro: | sphery, second half third season |
| [03:48:04] | lwizardl: | sphery: mainly because I'm getting back into VR stuff. |
| [03:48:10] | sphery: | lwizardl: the comment you caught was related to http://www.next3d.com/NEXT_3D.html |
| [03:48:11] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Which they likely are calling "Volume four" |
| [03:49:07] | iamlindoro: | sphery, interesting to note that the Laser TV from Mitsu is 3D ready |
| [03:49:10] | lwizardl: | sphery: too bad most newer style televisions don't support shutterglasses (i know both my HDTVs don't) |
| [03:49:24] | sphery: | yeah, since season 2 was a half season, they seem to be sticking with the half season for a story arc approach--probably so they can sell each half season individually on DVD/Blu-Ray |
| [03:50:20] | lwizardl: | anyone here have experience with Ubuntu/MythTV on a PPC G4? |
| [03:50:37] | sphery: | lwizardl: any shutterglasses that use an IR transmitter for sync (the approach a certain green-logo'ed GPU company is using) should be burned in iamlindoro's huge bonfire of frame grabbers and PVR-350's |
| [03:51:10] | wagnerrp: | lwizardl: considering theres segments of code with hand optimizes SSE assembly, i bet it wouldnt work |
| [03:51:45] | sphery: | lwizardl: patches welcomed, though :) |
| [03:57:27] | wagnerrp: | wow, someone sent some 'your bank account has been compromised' spam to one of the freebsd mailing lists |
| [03:57:31] | iamlindoro: | Sigh, heres a post that thinks VDPAU does Divx |
| [03:58:25] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: well now that divx upgraded to h264... why not! |
| [03:59:31] | wagnerrp: | now if they wanted to decode xvid with vdpau, you might have something there |
| [04:00:36] | sphery: | iamlindoro: the box I bought my graphics card inside said "PureVideo" on it, so why wouldn't it do DivX? |
| [04:00:56] | iamlindoro: | sphery, You were robbed, class action time |
| [04:01:12] | sphery: | those greedy corporations! |
| [04:02:01] | iamlindoro: | not to mention the fascists trying to keep the features from you |
| [04:02:07] | iamlindoro: | who declared it from on high |
| [04:02:18] | sphery: | iamlindoro: in your favorite thread, "How important is VC-1 decoding, isn't that a microsoft codec? I know its supported by HD_DVD and Blue Ray, but is it really that rampant in the wild? |
| [04:02:50] | wagnerrp: | rampant? |
| [04:03:02] | iamlindoro: | You can pipe up that all Warner Brothers Blu ray disks are VC-1 |
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| [04:03:25] | iamlindoro: | so both recent batman movies, the matrix movies, etc. |
| [04:03:30] | wagnerrp: | someone should start emailing about rampancy as Tycho |
| [04:03:33] | sphery: | iamlindoro: though the reply to that says, "If you look at the bluray web page listing all the release, I'd say |
| [04:03:36] | sphery: | that a good half are using VC-1 while the other s using H264" |
| [04:05:28] | sphery: | iamlindoro: just found your DivX post... "downloaded videos"? Wonder what that means... |
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| [04:05:42] | iamlindoro: | sphery, same as #6212 one presumes |
| [04:05:56] | iamlindoro: | good ol' 6212, gone but not forgotten |
| [04:06:28] | sphery: | never forgotten... Taking something of the Internet is like... |
| [04:06:44] | sphery: | Now I miss Newsradio... |
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| [04:07:13] | wagnerrp: | newsradio was lost without phil hartman |
| [04:07:42] | iamlindoro: | Heh, they did the credits in 3D |
| [04:07:43] | sphery: | I liked Dave and Joe best. |
| [04:09:04] | iamlindoro: | So I've become convinced that preview generation between multiple backends has gone screwy in trunk |
| [04:09:12] | sphery: | Yeah, on the Sobi commercial about the only thing that was definitely 3D was the text. On the rest, I couldn't tell for sure until I watched it a couple times with and without glasses. |
| [04:09:32] | sphery: | iamlindoro: on MythWeb or in mythfrontend? |
| [04:09:37] | iamlindoro: | MFE |
| [04:09:41] | wagnerrp: | on the Sobe commercial, i felt an increase in homicidal urges |
| [04:09:52] | sphery: | it was /very/ white |
| [04:09:54] | wagnerrp: | THE LIZARD MUST DIE! |
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| [04:10:34] | cesman: | The spice must flow. |
| [04:10:49] | iamlindoro: | sphery is the mind killer |
| [04:10:56] | sphery: | If you walk without rhythm, you won't attract the worm. |
| [04:11:04] | wagnerrp: | wouldnt that mean youre supposed to drink Tequilla? |
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| [04:12:01] | ** iamlindoro grabs his xris-knife ** | |
| [04:12:12] | wagnerrp: | sphery: what percentage of people listening to Weapon of Choice do you think got that reference? |
| [04:12:54] | sphery: | I loved it for the video... Christopher Walken was at his best. |
| [04:13:07] | sphery: | But I did get the reference. |
| [04:13:18] | sphery: | so, between you and me, that's 100% so far. |
| [04:13:39] | wagnerrp: | my sister didnt catch it until i mentioned it |
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| [04:14:11] | sphery: | That phrase was actually what caused me to listen to the song's lyrics enough to change it from an OK song to a favorite. |
| [04:14:24] | sphery: | The video then put it over the top. |
| [04:14:35] | wagnerrp: | oh, walken was the only reason it was a favorite for me |
| [04:14:52] | wagnerrp: | you cant hear the song without seeing him dancing |
| [04:15:01] | sphery: | exactly |
| [04:15:26] | ** iamlindoro is depressed his xris-knife joke went over like a lead balloon ** | |
| [04:15:36] | sphery: | I didn't get it... |
| [04:15:43] | sphery: | <-- is slow |
| [04:15:58] | iamlindoro: | xris-knife = chrysknife (from Dune) |
| [04:16:16] | wagnerrp: | the freman would carry them |
| [04:16:21] | wagnerrp: | the curved dagger |
| [04:16:36] | sphery: | Wow... That's a stretch... Might have gotten it if I didn't pronounce his nick ex-ris (yeah, I know his name) |
| [04:18:14] | iamlindoro: | ecks-riss is too much work |
| [04:18:52] | iamlindoro: | Why not make it a nice german achlaut? Hcchhhhhhris |
| [04:19:00] | joe2371: | Oh, jeez. I finally have some recorded shows in my testing setup and I am able to actually start exploring the interface from within from as a user. Well, as someone who has been using primitive, generation 1.5-ish DVRs for nearly a decade, I hope you guys can imagine how I feel when I discover that some feature that has been on my wishlist for so long... has a menu item right there where I would have put it. |
| [04:19:28] | sphery: | cool |
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| [04:19:38] | sphery: | I like Myth, too. :) |
| [04:19:41] | iamlindoro: | "Find and record all pornography in my lineup?" |
| [04:19:52] | joe2371: | it really is that. :'-) |
| [04:20:17] | joe2371: | heh, like that. actually it was playlists that got my eyes watering this time. |
| [04:20:58] | joe2371: | But that is just one of many things. |
| [04:21:21] | ** joe2371 slips back into his state of bliss... ** | |
| [04:21:28] | ** wagnerrp has no porno in his lineup ** | |
| [04:21:40] | iamlindoro: | Anything in dark red = RECORD! |
| [04:21:56] | wagnerrp: | not unless you count the blured howard stern and travel shows late at night on E |
| [04:23:42] | wagnerrp: | search category --> adult.... no matches found |
| [04:24:19] | sphery: | iamlindoro: For some reason my pr0n rule has never matched anything on OTA. It even missed that one halftime show... |
| [04:24:33] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [04:25:06] | wagnerrp: | the best i can hope for is early morning erotic dance fitness |
| [04:25:27] | wagnerrp: | the 'Core Rhythms fitness plan' |
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| [04:42:47] | sphery: | Seems the captions on Chuck aren't in 3D. ;) |
| [04:43:24] | sphery: | But the NBC 3D logo is floating in front of stuff (depending on what's behind it) |
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| [05:07:33] | Nemesis02: | Hey guys, anyone available to answer a quick hardware question bout DVR's? |
| [05:07:46] | wagnerrp: | dont ask to ask, just ask |
| [05:07:51] | Nemesis02: | lol k |
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| [05:08:40] | Nemesis02: | I have an old Hauppage 848 WinTV card, and i'm wondering whether or not a single TV Tuner card can record multiple shows while watching live tv or not. |
| [05:09:03] | Nemesis02: | i know my card won't support it since its from '98, but i'm wondering if any of the modern cards would. |
| [05:09:13] | wagnerrp: | yes and no |
| [05:09:36] | wagnerrp: | analog, can capture one channel per input |
| [05:09:45] | wagnerrp: | some cards (PVR-500) have multiple inputs |
| [05:09:56] | wagnerrp: | digital can capture one multiplex per input |
| [05:10:18] | wagnerrp: | so i could capture NBC, plus the local weather channel |
| [05:10:19] | Nemesis02: | one multiplex is like channels 4.1, 4.2 and 4.3 |
| [05:10:24] | wagnerrp: | or all stations of PBS |
| [05:10:28] | wagnerrp: | from one tuner |
| [05:10:50] | wagnerrp: | with QAM, it gets to be a bit more fun |
| [05:10:58] | wagnerrp: | i can capture both NBC and CBS with one tuner |
| [05:11:20] | Nemesis02: | yeah, i keep reading bout how all these custom DVRs are better than a TiVo, but the TiVo can record like 4 shows at once i believe and thats somethin i'd like to do as well. |
| [05:11:33] | wagnerrp: | so buy more tuners |
| [05:11:43] | wagnerrp: | i have two analog and three digital tuners in mine |
| [05:11:45] | Nemesis02: | nod, thats what i thought i'd have to do |
| [05:12:00] | Nemesis02: | so you can record upto 5 shows? |
| [05:12:13] | wagnerrp: | i can record two analog shows, and three digital multiplexes |
| [05:12:18] | Nemesis02: | yeah |
| [05:12:26] | Nemesis02: | is that 1 card or 2? |
| [05:12:35] | wagnerrp: | three cards, plus an HDHR |
| [05:12:40] | Nemesis02: | ahhh ok |
| [05:12:52] | wagnerrp: | with mythtv, you can have multiple backends |
| [05:13:03] | wagnerrp: | in the event you run out of slots for more cards in the first |
| [05:13:33] | wagnerrp: | or, you have an antenna or satellite and want to put the recorder near the input (reduce cable length) |
| [05:14:11] | Nemesis02: | yeah, so have multiple machines do recording |
| [05:14:39] | wagnerrp: | thats not really necessary in all but the largest setups |
| [05:15:53] | Nemesis02: | yeah |
| [05:15:56] | Nemesis02: | yeah, i found a HVR that says it has dual tuners, 2 analog and 2 digital, takes a PCIE 1x |
| [05:16:20] | wagnerrp: | HVR-2250, not yet supported |
| [05:16:21] | Nemesis02: | i actually have a shuttle machine that has 1 PCIE 1x, 1 PCIE 16x and 2 PCI slots |
| [05:16:27] | Nemesis02: | o ok |
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| [05:17:51] | Nemesis02: | must have a lot of splitters for your machine for that cable lol |
| [05:18:35] | wagnerrp: | splitters are actually bad if you have too many sinks |
| [05:18:40] | Nemesis02: | thats actually exactly what i wanted too know though, thanks for the help. |
| [05:19:13] | Nemesis02: | so how do u have it set up if u dont use splitters? |
| [05:19:20] | wagnerrp: | amps |
| [05:19:54] | wagnerrp: | if you have more than ~4–6 sinks on a cable line, you usually dont have enough signal power to run the devices |
| [05:20:10] | Nemesis02: | ahhh i see |
| [05:20:15] | Nemesis02: | good to know |
| [05:21:14] | wagnerrp: | every splitter cuts the power in half (-3dB) |
| [05:21:47] | Nemesis02: | yeah |
| [05:22:15] | Nemesis02: | thought as much, but didnt know the effect it would have as a whole |
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| [05:24:48] | joe2371: | though that only applies to 2-way splitters. It is worse for splitters with more outputs. |
| [05:25:10] | wagnerrp: | well obviously |
| [05:25:29] | Nemesis02: | yeah lol |
| [05:26:21] | joe2371: | (Unless one defines a 3-way splitter as two 2-way splitters in a common housing with a shared leg, but that would be spli... uh, never mind) |
| [05:27:18] | joe2371: | (splitting hairs) |
| [05:29:41] | EnderTheThird: | I'm getting an error with libmyth and/or mythavcodec when compiling: http://pastebin.ca/1326021 |
| [05:30:31] | EnderTheThird: | It's not giving me much in the way of hints as far as how to fix it. |
| [05:33:12] | Nemesis02: | thank for your guys's help, appreciate it, bye. |
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| [05:54:01] | EnderTheThird: | Guess no ideas then. |
| [05:54:53] | wagnerrp: | i would do a make distclean, and retry |
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| [05:55:30] | wagnerrp: | the makefile should define where its supposed to look for that library |
| [05:55:31] | EnderTheThird: | Trying now. |
| [05:55:34] | wagnerrp: | and it cant find it |
| [05:55:44] | wagnerrp: | so all i can think of is that it was configured improperly |
| [05:55:59] | wagnerrp: | or was otherwise screwed up and did not actually make that library |
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| [05:57:33] | EnderTheThird: | No dice. |
| [05:57:42] | EnderTheThird: | It's happening on both computers too. |
| [05:58:18] | wagnerrp: | what revision? |
| [05:58:23] | EnderTheThird: | One complains about -lmythavcodec-0.22. The other about -lvdpau |
| [05:58:28] | EnderTheThird: | co'd today. |
| [05:58:47] | wagnerrp: | what revision? |
| [06:00:18] | EnderTheThird: | How do I check that? |
| [06:00:58] | wagnerrp: | svn info |
| [06:01:11] | EnderTheThird: | 19921 |
| [06:01:17] | EnderTheThird: | Oops, sorry. 19922 |
| [06:03:06] | wagnerrp: | 19920 made some changes to vdpau, 19919 made some dependency fixes concerning libmythavcodec |
| [06:03:16] | wagnerrp: | try dropping back to 19918 and see if the problems go away |
| [06:03:41] | EnderTheThird: | Alright, thanks. |
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| [06:17:39] | EnderTheThird: | Anyone use these right now? https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu-trunk-0.22/+archive/ppa |
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| [06:30:23] | EnderTheThird: | wagnerrp: turns out it's because I didn't update to the newest Nvidia driver (180.27). I was still on 180.25. They must have changed a few things after the new release a couple days ago. |
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| [06:36:19] | what4893: | Is there a way to force all secondary backends to record to the primary backend server? |
| [06:36:30] | wagnerrp: | do what? |
| [06:36:42] | what4893: | I have a frontend/backend as well as a primary backend server |
| [06:36:52] | what4893: | and I want the frontend to record onto the backend's hard drive space |
| [06:37:10] | what4893: | I'm using a compact flash card for the hard drive in the frontend, and it keeps trying to record to it |
| [06:37:10] | wagnerrp: | so mount over NFS and update your storage groups |
| [06:37:24] | what4893: | Oh, ok that makes sense |
| [06:37:35] | what4893: | Wow, totally should have thought of that |
| [06:37:36] | what4893: | Thanks |
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| [08:05:01] | pilly33: | i'm setting up myth again after taking a year off (missed the pvr stuff pause during pee break) and I have just 1 minor issue the storage directory wants to add a trailing "/" to the directory string and then the system is looking to use /raid/myth/recording//.test as the test file I remember having this problem before but cannot remember how I solved it.... |
| [08:05:25] | wagnerrp: | never heard of such a problem |
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| [08:05:33] | pilly33: | can anyone help? |
| [08:05:56] | justinh: | extra slashes shouldn't even hurt |
| [08:06:36] | justinh: | your problem is more than likely one of permissions |
| [08:06:59] | pilly33: | I enter the directory as "/raid/myth/recording" and the menu in mythtv-setup shows it as "/raid/myth/recording/" |
| [08:07:10] | justinh: | so? |
| [08:07:14] | pilly33: | I logged in as mythtv (user) |
| [08:07:18] | justinh: | so? |
| [08:07:28] | justinh: | how do you know it's a problem? |
| [08:07:37] | pilly33: | and went to directory and was able to touch files |
| [08:07:45] | pilly33: | and mkdir's |
| [08:07:52] | justinh: | I ask again. how do you know it's a problem? |
| [08:07:59] | justinh: | or what's making you think there's a problem? |
| [08:08:11] | pilly33: | cuz the program told me so before I exited it.... |
| [08:08:27] | justinh: | told you what, exactly? |
| [08:08:33] | pilly33: | mythtv-setup tells me its not ok |
| [08:08:42] | justinh: | what did it say? |
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| [08:09:47] | pilly33: | "cannot create a file /raid/myth/recording//.test – directory is not writable? |
| [08:10:04] | pilly33: | the slash is the problem |
| [08:10:09] | justinh: | it's not |
| [08:10:33] | pilly33: | hold on.... brb |
| [08:10:54] | justinh: | touch /myth/movies//.test works for me :) |
| [08:11:08] | justinh: | I guess I must have the right privileges to write in there |
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| [08:14:50] | pilly33: | heh... ok you were right... |
| [08:14:53] | pilly33: | :) |
| [08:15:18] | pilly33: | I was using my main account to run mythtv-setup |
| [08:15:35] | pilly33: | the dir is owned by mythtv |
| [08:15:39] | pilly33: | whoops |
| [08:15:45] | pilly33: | thanks |
| [08:15:50] | wagnerrp: | common issue |
| [08:15:53] | justinh: | np :) |
| [08:16:19] | pilly33: | would have really racked my brain on it all night though.... |
| [08:16:20] | justinh: | it pays to make the dir owned by the mythtv group too, and make sure you're in the mythtv group :) |
| [08:16:38] | justinh: | I'm usually obstinate for a reason ;) |
| [08:16:50] | pilly33: | ahhh.... was just thinking how to do that... |
| [08:17:17] | pilly33: | thanks again |
| [08:18:07] | pilly33: | you guys are more helpful than google... the whole search containing //. didn't work.... |
| [08:18:33] | wagnerrp: | i imagine google stripped such characters from the search |
| [08:18:38] | pilly33: | yup |
| [08:19:20] | pilly33: | thanks again... gonna go play now.... |
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| [08:39:04] | justinh: | oh dear oh dear. http://images.digitalspy.co.uk/09/06/550x_street_reddwarf02.jpg |
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| [09:30:00] | directhex: | dear walkers, why are you running a "vote with your tastebuds" promotion on all multipacks of crisps telling me to pick between six flavours i apparently can't buy? |
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| [09:43:53] | justinh: | mmmm iterator flavour |
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| [10:30:40] | fruit-fly: | hi |
| [10:31:01] | fruit-fly: | am I supposed to change the mythtv user password? |
| [10:32:53] | justinh: | whut? |
| [10:33:02] | fruit-fly: | this is my other question, can mythtv compile with qt4 with qt3 support? |
| [10:33:14] | fruit-fly: | anyone on gentoo-owns? |
| [10:33:22] | justinh: | whut? |
| [10:33:37] | justinh: | fruit-fly: last question first. No |
| [10:33:45] | justinh: | first question... why do you ask? |
| [10:34:15] | fruit-fly: | because this is the first time using this and when I click on watch nothing appears |
| [10:34:52] | fruit-fly: | because there are around a thousand password for this and that |
| [10:35:10] | justinh: | so what difference would changing the mythtv user's password make? |
| [10:35:36] | fruit-fly: | when fillin database? |
| [10:35:41] | justinh: | nope |
| [10:35:52] | fruit-fly: | do I use mythtv as my user or mythtv user or root? |
| [10:36:05] | justinh: | I think you're confusing linux users with mysql accounts |
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| [10:36:56] | justinh: | I also think you could benefit from looking in the logs of mythfrontend.. and mythbackend |
| [10:37:30] | justinh: | that should give you a clue as to why 'watch tv' isn't working |
| [10:38:47] | fruit-fly: | true, well tvtime works just fine |
| [10:38:53] | justinh: | well nothing |
| [10:38:58] | justinh: | look in your logs |
| [10:40:35] | justinh: | tvtime != mythtv, isn't that a revelation? |
| [10:41:36] | fruit-fly: | hold on let me try again. However, how should I start mythtv? mythtv or mythfrontend? |
| [10:42:00] | justinh: | mythfrontend |
| [10:42:22] | justinh: | once the backend is running via its init script, I mean |
| [10:42:25] | thefront is now known as thefRont | |
| [10:43:12] | fruit-fly: | aha |
| [10:43:39] | fruit-fly: | what about mysql, does mythtv automatically run mysql? |
| [10:44:10] | justinh: | nope |
| [10:44:34] | fruit-fly: | so I gotta start it as well manually? |
| [10:44:52] | justinh: | no you don't have to |
| [10:45:12] | justinh: | it has to be started _somehow_ though |
| [10:45:38] | fruit-fly: | ok |
| [10:45:55] | fruit-fly: | done |
| [10:46:06] | justinh: | have you been following a howto? if not, I suggest you read one |
| [10:46:41] | fruit-fly: | there are no errors showing up |
| [10:46:48] | fruit-fly: | of course I did |
| [10:47:36] | fruit-fly: | while is connecting to the database in the configuration which user am I suppose to use? |
| [10:47:46] | fruit-fly: | I don't get that part |
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| [10:48:32] | directhex: | whichever you configure it to use |
| [10:48:57] | justinh: | you're supposed to use the mysql user.. (see MYSQL user not LINUX user!) that you set access priveleges for, for the mythconverg database.. which is 'mythtv' by default |
| [10:49:00] | directhex: | assuming you run a distro which makes a human do the menial tasks of setting this stuff up, since you're obviously much better at it than a computer would be |
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| [10:49:40] | fruit-fly: | oO |
| [10:52:58] | justinh: | fruit-fly: you say there are no errors showing up in either the frontend or backend logs? Then erm.. we can't help you. Good luck |
| [10:53:47] | fruit-fly: | where do you normally add the filldatabase logs? /var/log/mythtv/ |
| [10:53:55] | fruit-fly: | wait |
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| [10:54:43] | directhex: | mythfilldatabase is used to insert listings data from a listings source into a populated mythtv mysql database |
| [10:54:49] | directhex: | i think it logs only to stdout |
| [10:57:22] | fruit-fly: | ok so it did it |
| [10:57:26] | justinh: | not the mythfilldatabase logs.. you should be interested in the mythbackend log |
| [10:58:10] | fruit-fly: | mythfilldatabes should be run by the user, by mythtv account or root? |
| [10:58:26] | justinh: | balls to it. I have things to do :) |
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| [10:58:57] | fruit-fly: | this? ---> 2009-02–03 01:03:06.970 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Monitor |
| [10:58:58] | ivor: | justinh: building snowmen? |
| [10:59:46] | fruit-fly: | ok now I got something --> Could not get inputs for the capturecard. |
| [10:59:56] | justinh: | snow is almost all gone at home. what was all the fuss about? |
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| [11:01:30] | fruit-fly: | I noticed that the backend wasn't running |
| [11:01:53] | fruit-fly: | do I run mythbackend as user, root or mythtv account? |
| [11:03:00] | fruit-fly: | I forgot where was the card set up :S |
| [11:03:05] | justinh: | you run mythbackend as whatever user you want chuck |
| [11:03:31] | justinh: | assuming that user has database & storage group write privileges etc |
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| [11:05:51] | ivor: | justinh: pah chaos down here. all my trains cancelled and none of the roads gritted at all. |
| [11:06:00] | fruit-fly: | I just checked all my tuners are unavailable |
| [11:06:04] | fruit-fly: | which sucks |
| [11:07:35] | thefRont: | is it possible to order recordings by title/subtitle instead of recording date? |
| [11:08:11] | fruit-fly: | I don't get this. Why tvtime works and not mythtv? |
| [11:09:46] | gbee: | fruit-fly: pretty much always a configuration mistake |
| [11:10:04] | justinh: | I dunno, thefRont. What does the manual say? |
| [11:10:56] | fruit-fly: | so what's my card? /dev/v4l/vbi or something in /dev/dvb/adapter0/ ? |
| [11:11:17] | thefRont: | nothing afaik |
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| [11:11:29] | fruit-fly: | in /dev/v4l/ I got ./vbi0 and video0 |
| [11:11:34] | at0m: | fruit-fly, read your logs. who owns /dev/video* ? can backend and frontend connect to mysql?. |
| [11:11:54] | gbee: | fruit-fly: what type of card is it? |
| [11:12:02] | fruit-fly: | in /dev/dvb/adapter0/ I got demux0 dvr0 frontend0 net0 |
| [11:12:20] | gbee: | again, what did it say on the box |
| [11:12:29] | fruit-fly: | videoinput: Using video4linux2 driver 'cx8800', card 'Pinnacle PCTV HD 800i' <-- from tvtime verbose |
| [11:12:48] | justinh: | thefRont: as far as you know. riiight |
| [11:13:26] | gbee: | ok, then it's both – it's analogue and digital |
| [11:13:27] | gbee: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Pinnacle_PCTV_HD_Card_(800i) |
| [11:13:41] | gbee: | and it's even got it's own setup page in the wiki, magic |
| [11:13:43] | fruit-fly: | it's owned by root both /dev/v4l/video0 and /dev/video0 |
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| [11:14:12] | fruit-fly: | I knew about it |
| [11:14:16] | gbee: | they aren't in the video group? |
| [11:14:37] | fruit-fly: | I just didn't know had a mythtv cofig part |
| [11:14:49] | gbee: | fruit-fly: you've run mythtv-setup? |
| [11:14:49] | fruit-fly: | gbee: nope, should they? |
| [11:14:55] | fruit-fly: | as root? |
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| [11:15:18] | gbee: | fruit-fly: they often are, since it's more secure than running mythbackend as root so that it can access them |
| [11:15:34] | fruit-fly: | mm.. |
| [11:16:01] | fruit-fly: | no I mean mythtv-setup, do I do this as my user? |
| [11:16:29] | thefRont: | justinh: well...ok, I've just found the settings. But it's already set to sort recordings by subtitle/multititle but it's still not sorted right. |
| [11:16:33] | gbee: | fruit-fly: run it as root, you probably shouldn't, but it's more expedient at this point |
| [11:16:39] | gbee: | lets start with the basics, which do you want – analogue or digital? |
| [11:17:18] | fruit-fly: | can I have both? |
| [11:17:54] | fruit-fly: | now I see /dev/video0 is analog and /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 is digital!!! |
| [11:18:22] | fruit-fly: | let me start with analog first, more easy |
| [11:19:21] | gbee: | for the purposes of getting it up and running, best to pick one at a time for now, attempting to setup both at the same time just adds to any confusion |
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| [11:19:54] | fruit-fly: | ok |
| [11:20:05] | clever[rev] is now known as clever | |
| [11:20:35] | gbee: | but in most places it's not usual that anyone would want both, if you can receive digital you want digital, if you can't then your stuck with analogue |
| [11:20:54] | thefRont: | so there is one option "episode sort orderings" which is set to "sort all sub-titles/multi-titles descending" and another option "sort episodes" which is set to "record date" |
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| [11:23:38] | thefRont: | this is extremly confusing |
| [11:25:47] | thefRont: | especially because both options actually mean the same thing to me |
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| [11:30:42] | SpAc: | Can I cancel a program that is currently recording through MythWeb without deleting it? I can only see an option to delete the recording, I want to stop recording but keep what has already been recorded. |
| [11:34:01] | justinh: | nope |
| [11:34:58] | SpAc: | ok, so it's all or nothing? |
| [11:35:06] | justinh: | yup |
| [11:35:07] | fruit-fly: | no messages whatsoever as to why tv won't show up |
| [11:35:09] | gbee: | sure kormoc/xris would add the option if asked, it's there in the frontend |
| [11:36:48] | thefRont: | of course you can stop the recording without deleting what you've already recorded |
| [11:37:25] | SpAc: | thefRont, can I do it through the backend? |
| [11:37:36] | justinh: | thefRont: not in mythweb |
| [11:37:40] | thefRont: | i think you want to do it through mythweb |
| [11:38:02] | justinh: | that's what he said |
| [11:38:08] | justinh: | welcome to 2009 |
| [11:38:18] | thefRont: | in mythweb, go to recording schedule, select the recording to edit its settings, select cancel this schedule and save the settings. |
| [11:38:41] | thefRont: | the recording will stop but won't be deleted |
| [11:39:07] | SpAc: | thefRont, let me just give that a quick try |
| [11:39:47] | thefRont: | hmm...ok, maybe the recording will not stop ;) |
| [11:40:32] | SpAc: | thefRont, I'm sure that used to work on earlier version... I remember it used to work. |
| [11:40:54] | SpAc: | mm, keeps on recording |
| [11:41:12] | justinh: | won't say I told you so |
| [11:41:12] | thefRont: | yes. I just noticed, too |
| [11:41:19] | directhex: | fruit-fly, you've run all five configuration steps in mythtv-setup to set up a capture card & some channels? |
| [11:41:54] | SpAc: | justinh, not that it matters, but was it always like this? |
| [11:42:18] | justinh: | yup |
| [11:42:19] | fruit-fly: | just the card |
| [11:42:24] | justinh: | as far as I know it was |
| [11:42:50] | justinh: | i.e. I can't remember it being any other way. I could be wrong |
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| [11:44:54] | gbee: | fruit-fly: the configuration steps are numbered 1–6, they you need to complete each step in order |
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| [11:45:39] | SpAc: | justinh, ok thanks |
| [11:46:07] | gbee: | actually I thought there was a stop recording option, but maybe I'm remembering wrong |
| [11:46:34] | fruit-fly: | directhex gbee my bad, now is adding channels |
| [11:46:57] | thefRont: | well, the sorting of recordings is still very confusing... |
| [11:47:06] | fruit-fly: | I didn't know there was an process for that in the configuration |
| [11:47:13] | justinh: | there might very well have been such an option gbee, just saying I can't remember it :) |
| [11:47:14] | fruit-fly: | thefRont: noob :) |
| [11:47:17] | fruit-fly: | ? |
| [11:47:17] | thefRont: | I still had no luck in setting it right |
| [11:47:24] | gbee: | there _should_ be a stop recording option and if it hasn't already been added in trunk then I'll bug kormoc to add it for 0.22 |
| [11:47:30] | justinh: | thefRont: what's so hard to understand about it? |
| [11:47:41] | ** fruit-fly <<--- noob :( ** | |
| [11:47:59] | thefRont: | [12:20:55] <thefRont> so there is one option "episode sort orderings" which is set to "sort all sub-titles/multi-titles descending" and another option "sort episodes" which is set to "record date" |
| [11:48:01] | fruit-fly: | awsome!!! is adding channels!! |
| [11:48:10] | justinh: | so? |
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| [11:48:11] | thefRont: | what is the difference between these two options? |
| [11:48:17] | thefRont: | two me, they look like the same |
| [11:48:27] | justinh: | they're not# |
| [11:48:50] | thefRont: | and episode sort orderings isn't recognized at all I think |
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| [11:49:34] | thefRont: | if it was, it should order my recordings by subtitle as I want, but it doesn't do it |
| [11:51:23] | thefRont: | or let me ask the question the other way around... to what setting do I have to set "sort episodes" so it will order them by subtitle? |
| [11:51:52] | justinh: | no idea. I sort everything by recorded date |
| [11:52:40] | thefRont: | that's not so nice if there are episodes which are not aired in the correct order |
| [11:53:24] | gbee: | no commercial DVR doesn't it any differently |
| [11:53:25] | justinh: | hmmm. maybe not. whatever |
| [11:53:27] | thefRont: | that's why I rename their subtitle to SxxEyy and then want to sort them by subtitle |
| [11:54:14] | gbee: | if ordering if important to you because you want to archive them, then move them into mythvideo where you can order them whatever way you want (I assume) |
| [11:54:34] | justinh: | in any series where the episode order is vital, I'd imagine any broadcaster worth their salt would show them in the right order |
| [11:54:47] | justinh: | the likes of Star Trek TNG etc.. who cares? ;) |
| [11:54:53] | thefRont: | in other words, mythtv can't sort them by title/subtitle |
| [11:54:58] | thefRont: | that's all I asked |
| [11:57:25] | gbee: | TNG was a stateless series anyway, not matter what happened in the episode it was invariably forgotten by the next, zero continuity |
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| [12:00:39] | fruit-fly: | wow!! mythtv is like a cable channel!! or a cable companny!! |
| [12:01:16] | sid3windr: | lol |
| [12:02:30] | fruit-fly: | ok my bad, I didn't know those steps were required |
| [12:02:44] | fruit-fly: | now, do I gotta enter the names by HAND!! |
| [12:03:17] | directhex: | names of what? |
| [12:03:42] | directhex: | gbee, there was loose state, a few multi-ep story arcs here & there |
| [12:04:00] | directhex: | hardly the statefulness of B5 though |
| [12:04:12] | fruit-fly: | w00t I got it |
| [12:04:40] | fruit-fly: | directhex: names of the channels, that's why didn't find any icons |
| [12:05:20] | directhex: | should be retrieved via the channel scan for digital |
| [12:05:53] | fruit-fly: | I did analog |
| [12:06:21] | fruit-fly: | now do this all over for digital this time around? |
| [12:06:21] | directhex: | then i can't help you, i'm from THIS millennium |
| [12:07:06] | fruit-fly: | what do you mean |
| [12:07:10] | gbee: | directhex: sure, but invariably in each episode they'd find a way to imrpove their engines/shields/weapons/other which would then be forgotten by the next time – accept for the smattering of multi-ep storylines and the one or two things they chose not to forget |
| [12:07:16] | fruit-fly: | how can't you help? |
| [12:07:42] | directhex: | i can't help with any issues related to analog |
| [12:08:01] | fruit-fly: | ZOMG!!11 it's says fox hd |
| [12:08:09] | fruit-fly: | should I do it then? |
| [12:08:57] | fruit-fly: | how do I set digital without messing the analog stuff? |
| [12:09:20] | directhex: | i have no idea. you might find extra joy relating to not being possible to use both at once on your card |
| [12:09:25] | directhex: | if it's hybrid instead of dual tuner, anyway |
| [12:09:39] | directhex: | but generally you'd add a new DVB device and new video source |
| [12:09:52] | directhex: | and do a new channel scan no that connection |
| [12:15:42] | fruit-fly: | anybody in ny? what's here cable,atsc ? |
| [12:15:53] | fruit-fly: | is picking up nothing |
| [12:16:08] | phunyguy: | should be atsc |
| [12:16:34] | directhex: | you set this as a DVB card type, right? you're not manually setting a .dev. framegrabber device |
| [12:16:53] | fruit-fly: | frequency table: cable and modulation: terrestrial? |
| [12:16:59] | fruit-fly: | directhex: of course |
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| [12:20:32] | fruit-fly: | what modulation is nyc time warner? |
| [12:20:58] | gumpert345: | hi im looking for a small fast and cheap HDD, this is what I found: http://cgi.ebay.de/Hitachi-FC-Disk-72-GB-DKR2 . . . 1|240%3A1318 I googled but couldnt find a fibrechannel sata adapter , except a raid card, but that would take too much spa |
| [12:20:58] | gumpert345: | ce |
| [12:22:10] | fruit-fly: | lmao |
| [12:22:19] | justinh: | www.tinyurl.com |
| [12:22:53] | gumpert345: | Ill use it the next time |
| [12:23:30] | justinh: | hmmm, small, fast & cheap... sata notebook drives no good? |
| [12:23:35] | directhex: | o_o |
| [12:23:38] | directhex: | you don't want FC |
| [12:24:41] | ** justinh wonders where people seem to get the impression mythtv requires the use of uber-fast HDDs ** | |
| [12:25:03] | gumpert345: | to lower the boot time |
| [12:25:13] | justinh: | pfft |
| [12:25:25] | [Peter]: | boot? |
| [12:25:34] | [Peter]: | suspend to ram ftw |
| [12:25:44] | justinh: | most boot time gains can be had in optimising the boot process |
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| [12:26:48] | gumpert345: | suspend to ram is no option, my parents will simply turn off the electricity, to save money |
| [12:27:28] | justinh: | so saving about 5 watts per hour the machine would be in suspend mode. neat |
| [12:28:22] | justinh: | I shaved about 20 seconds off my frontend's boot time by hacking out things I don't need :) |
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| [12:28:51] | fruit-fly: | then why use mythtv? |
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| [12:29:06] | justinh: | I could save a further 5 or so seconds if my bootloader was on local storage as opposed to via tftp |
| [12:29:33] | gumpert345: | justinh you cant argue with an energy fanatic, I dont know how to tweak the boot process |
| [12:29:45] | fruit-fly: | the point is NOT booting. Infinite uptime |
| [12:29:52] | justinh: | that's funny. I didn't know how to either |
| [12:30:02] | ivor: | justinh: indeed. by aspire one is 16 seconds and six of those are in POST. |
| [12:30:03] | justinh: | so I found out how to :) |
| [12:30:07] | ivor: | s/by/my/ |
| [12:30:28] | ** Dibblah is an energy fanatic. ** | |
| [12:30:31] | Dibblah: | And uses STR. |
| [12:31:13] | ivor: | nah, my mythbox also does secondary dns and email server so I just want it really low power but on all the time, |
| [12:31:22] | Dibblah: | http://pendor.org/power/ |
| [12:31:28] | justinh: | gumpert345: buy a 12V battery, one of those neat DC-DC converters & charge the battery from the mains :P |
| [12:31:37] | ivor: | snort |
| [12:31:43] | Dibblah: | Excessive at the moment, since I'm running a test machine for DVB-[sct] |
| [12:31:52] | Dibblah: | Which eats about 60w. |
| [12:32:29] | Dibblah: | And we have a pyrolytic oven, which the GF decided it was time to use :( |
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| [12:35:45] | gumpert345: | justinh nice idea, but I think this is too advanced for me, I dont want to risk hardware failure by connecting something wrong (once grilled an HDD) |
| [12:36:00] | laga: | gumpert345: he was kidding ;) |
| [12:36:16] | gumpert345: | oh ok |
| [12:36:31] | justinh: | kids these days should be prepared to go to extreme lengths to defy their parents! |
| [12:36:43] | justinh: | fight da power! |
| [12:37:07] | Dibblah: | ... Glue the switch ;) |
| [12:37:15] | laga: | move out |
| [12:37:22] | justinh: | or just shoot your parents |
| [12:37:36] | justinh: | become famous :D |
| [12:37:44] | laga: | not tasteful |
| [12:39:07] | gumpert345: | I actually like them, and already moved out, all I need to do is building it fool proof (got them a mac so they cant install anything and mess it up) |
| [12:39:51] | gumpert345: | http://tinyurl.com/babnzr what about this one? |
| [12:40:15] | justinh: | a 'faster' HDD is not going to speed up the boot process noticably |
| [12:40:26] | fruit-fly: | anybody with time warner? can you send me the configuration 8D |
| [12:41:45] | gumpert345: | justinh I heard about those new hdds extremly shortening the boot time, wont a faster hdd get me there too? |
| [12:41:58] | laga: | those are SSDs, probably |
| [12:42:05] | fruit-fly: | hey, why the guide says the card is dvb0 and dvbscan is using frontend0? |
| [12:42:16] | justinh: | which are basically just very very fast flash memory |
| [12:42:25] | gumpert345: | oh sorry, I wrote HDD and meant SSDs |
| [12:43:48] | gumpert345: | does someone know a cheap, fast, small (size/capacity) hdd? |
| [12:43:57] | justinh: | SSD you mean |
| [12:44:14] | Dibblah: | gumpert345: Really, it's not worth it. |
| [12:44:36] | Dibblah: | If you want to optimise boot, figure out what it's doing that you don't need it to do, then stop it. |
| [12:44:44] | gumpert345: | grml yes I mean SSD I get it mixed up all the time |
| [12:45:00] | justinh: | what are you gonna save vs a well optimised boot process, considering even a cheap SSD is gonna cost you an arm |
| [12:45:11] | justinh: | 20 seconds? |
| [12:45:26] | justinh: | per boot? |
| [12:45:35] | Dibblah: | First stage of optimisation is not "buy bigger hardware" |
| [12:45:45] | justinh: | I know life is too short & all.. but frickin hell |
| [12:45:49] | Dibblah: | It's diagnose what takes 90% of the time. |
| [12:46:31] | gumpert345: | I actually wanted to go with mythdora or mythbuntu, arent they already optimised? |
| [12:46:57] | justinh: | not really |
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| [12:47:48] | justinh: | what do you younguns have against learning new stuff these days? |
| [12:48:00] | fruit-fly: | IS THIS GOOD OR BAD?? ---> WARNING: filter timeout pid 0x1ffb |
| [12:48:06] | fruit-fly: | I am using dvbscan |
| [12:48:20] | justinh: | in the time we've been discussing this you could've been reading about optimising your boot process :) |
| [12:48:27] | Dibblah: | fruit-fly: Check dmesg |
| [12:48:38] | Dibblah: | And don't paste it in channel. |
| [12:48:42] | justinh: | there are even utilities you can use available for some distros |
| [12:49:09] | justinh: | I used one for ubuntu, and it had pretty ickle checkboxes to change stuff :) |
| [12:49:27] | justinh: | didn't have to touch a single config file |
| [12:49:40] | gumpert345: | you got a link? |
| [12:49:45] | justinh: | www.google.com |
| [12:50:06] | justinh: | the key words might be 'optimise boot time $distro' |
| [12:50:09] | fruit-fly: | mm.. I think mythtv might have messed up my card |
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| [12:51:09] | fruit-fly: | is this a good sign??? ---> service is running. Channel number: 1:4. Name: 'WNBC_HD' |
| [12:51:24] | justinh: | pfft. just watched a samsung promo for their SSD.. a total saving of about 30 seconds to boot vista, SSD over HDD. Not really worth the financial layout if you ask me |
| [12:52:33] | gumpert345: | found it! its bum boot-up-manager how long does it take until you pc is booted? |
| [12:52:41] | fruit-fly: | i'll sit and wait til ssd's are en par with harddrives |
| [12:53:06] | justinh: | I've only ever bothered optimising my frontend box, and it's up into mythfrontend's menus in about 40 secs |
| [12:53:28] | justinh: | using a lightweight WM helps a lot |
| [12:54:35] | justinh: | my laptop boots into XP faster than that but I can't actually USE it straight away :-\ |
| [12:54:41] | gumpert345: | WM? |
| [12:54:46] | justinh: | window manager |
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| [12:55:17] | gumpert345: | I think mythbuntu comes with xfce that should be ok |
| [12:55:50] | justinh: | so er.. how are you going to make sure your parents don't turn off the power when your machine is recording? |
| [12:56:25] | justinh: | you might also become frustrated that the box forces fsck to run after an unexpected power down :P |
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| [12:58:45] | gumpert345: | there is a small fileserver running mythtvbackend that should avoid any recording issues, I didnt think about fsck yet |
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| [13:03:18] | tnevoke: | hey guys im trying to use mythtv with a mcast iptv source however when i try watching tv i get the following error : 2009-02–03 13:58:22.503 EntryToProgram(0@Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo |
| [13:03:31] | justinh: | ooo look. no EPG data |
| [13:03:45] | tnevoke: | hehe |
| [13:03:59] | tnevoke: | well that makes sense as its my own upd mcast stream |
| [13:04:03] | tnevoke: | udp evne |
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| [13:04:27] | justinh: | so you didn't associate the input with a valid 'video source' |
| [13:05:14] | justinh: | mythtv needs to know what's on, even if it's not really what's on – i.e. it could be dummy data you shove in the program table associated with a video source |
| [13:05:47] | tnevoke: | i think i created a bogos video source |
| [13:05:49] | tnevoke: | let me verify |
| [13:06:15] | joe2371: | Due to autoexpire, `df` on my videos partition on the BE is less meaningful? |
| [13:06:50] | justinh: | less meaningful than what? |
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| [13:07:28] | justinh: | well, it'll show you what disk spare you have left now... |
| [13:07:29] | joe2371: | Less meaningful than it would be for other partitions. |
| [13:07:44] | justinh: | as opposed to what you MIGHT get if shows were actually deleted |
| [13:07:54] | justinh: | so I guess it's realistic :) |
| [13:07:56] | joe2371: | Yes, but if myth runs out of space, it just start overwriting the oldest stuff, no? |
| [13:08:05] | justinh: | yup |
| [13:08:28] | justinh: | it'll actually do that _before_ it runs out of space :P |
| [13:08:49] | joe2371: | So df should always report ~0% space free on that partition. |
| [13:08:51] | tnevoke: | justinh: i had 'no grabber' configured |
| [13:09:05] | justinh: | tnevoke: shouldn't make any difference |
| [13:09:16] | justinh: | joe2371: not at all |
| [13:09:28] | tnevoke: | justinh: shall i try changing it t Transmitted guide only (EIT)? |
| [13:09:36] | justinh: | tnevoke: nope |
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| [13:10:00] | justinh: | tnevoke: is there anything in the program table associated with the dummy video source you created? |
| [13:10:08] | tnevoke: | jup |
| [13:10:19] | tnevoke: | it says "iptv test movie channel" |
| [13:10:23] | tnevoke: | thats whats in my m3u file |
| [13:10:27] | joe2371: | justinh: how is that not so? Oic, because availability of free space is not the only factor that determines whether to autoexpire a program? |
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| [13:11:03] | justinh: | joe2371: no, if your HDD has free space on it still, df is not going to report 0% free space :P |
| [13:11:32] | joe2371: | I said approximately zero, not exactly zero. |
| [13:11:42] | justinh: | not even approximately zero |
| [13:12:29] | justinh: | if your disk space reaches the threshold at which you've set mythbackend to start expiring old recordings, it'll free up at least one show's worth of space at a time |
| [13:13:28] | justinh: | starting with the lowest priority or oldest show first |
| [13:13:33] | joe2371: | Ah, so you are saying that the threshold isn't zero. Then substitute 'the configured theshold' for the zeros in my previous question. |
| [13:13:59] | justinh: | people are asking ****ing stupid questions lately |
| [13:14:00] | tank-man: | use some common sense |
| [13:15:41] | justinh: | the default is 1GB |
| [13:16:24] | justinh: | so, myth will happily record until there is 1GB of space left. When that point is reached, your oldest or lowest priority recording will go byebyes |
| [13:16:31] | justinh: | and so on |
| [13:17:00] | justinh: | assuming you've enabled autoexpiry of course |
| [13:17:16] | joe2371: | Yes, I am well aware. I'm not sure why you are explaining something that I stated my understanding of in my initial question. |
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| [13:18:41] | justinh: | you said "13:06 < joe2371> Due to autoexpire, `df` on my videos partition on the BE is less meaningful?" |
| [13:18:47] | justinh: | which didn't really mean anything to me either |
| [13:19:22] | justinh: | then you said that df would always report approx 0GB free for that partition, which isn't true |
| [13:19:30] | joe2371: | The mystery to me is not, "by what magic are my old shows dissappearing", but rather, if mythtv keeps old shows around until a certain age or until a disk threshold is reached, it sounds like a naive use of df will not help me estimate how much more disk capacity I should add. |
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| [13:19:49] | justinh: | or it _might_ be true, if you never delete anything |
| [13:20:00] | joe2371: | Because df will report the same result regardless of my current disk size. |
| [13:20:12] | justinh: | if you never delete anything yourself |
| [13:20:43] | justinh: | if your free space reached 1GB, and myth expired the oldest recording which happened to be 32GB ... |
| [13:21:21] | justinh: | and then the disk space reached 1GB again, and the next show was 45GB ... |
| [13:21:46] | joe2371: | I'm not seeing where the current disk size is used in your example... |
| [13:22:08] | justinh: | if you never delete anything, you'll always be running out of a) stuff to watch and b) disk space |
| [13:22:57] | justinh: | the disk _size_ has nothing to do with it. myth bases its decision to expire recordings on what space it has AVAILABLE |
| [13:23:06] | justinh: | not how old anything is by itself |
| [13:23:09] | joe2371: | If mythtv overwrites last weeks episode of a program with the current weeks one, then I surely will not run out of stuff to watch. |
| [13:23:19] | justinh: | I thought that was inherently clear |
| [13:23:35] | sid3windr: | then your disk is too small indeed :p |
| [13:24:09] | justinh: | you can also set myth to keep a given number of episodes and expire old ones whether they've been watched or not, but that isn't what you asked |
| [13:24:16] | exH: | Hello all |
| [13:24:17] | joe2371: | I did not say that mythtv should consider the disk size in anything that it does. I was saying that _I_ must consider it in the formula I use to calculate how much more space I'm likely to want. |
| [13:24:27] | justinh: | joe2371: go to hell |
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| [13:26:53] | exH: | I need more info in running a remote FE only box, about what can and can't be done. Mostly getting Edit Recordings and MythArchive to work. The wiki doesn't cover it and I have tried googel searchs for quite some time |
| [13:27:38] | exH: | Any pointers URLs, suggested search criteria or help welcome |
| [13:27:41] | justinh: | the wiki covers how to edit recordings just fine, I thought |
| [13:27:48] | justinh: | see the 'daily use' section |
| [13:28:14] | tank-man: | perhaps you are looking for the command "du" for disk usage joe2371 |
| [13:28:16] | justinh: | as for mytharchive, when you figure it out, write it up & let us all know :) |
| [13:28:21] | tank-man: | not df for disk free |
| [13:28:26] | exH: | Yes.. I can edit recording on the backend but the remote FE wan't start the edit and there's nothing I can see in logs |
| [13:29:18] | justinh: | exH: ah then it sounds like the remote FE has other problems. like seeking in the recordings, maybe. usually caused by its timezone/time being different to the backend |
| [13:30:16] | exH: | Hmm I will check the timezone.. otherwise it's happy browsing and playing recordings |
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| [13:30:43] | justinh: | exH: easy way to check.. if it can't seek, or the remaining time is wrong... |
| [13:31:05] | exH: | OK bbs |
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| [13:31:43] | tank-man: | exH, i had a similar problem before but fixed with mythtv updates. My frontend on my apple laptop would play but not edit (just crash if i remember) |
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| [13:33:23] | justinh: | jesus. now it's frekin JAZZ on that damn ipod. Something has to go |
| [13:33:36] | exH: | OK tank-man--- I'm on Fedora 10 rpms |
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| [13:33:57] | justinh: | too much shite muzak make me go postal |
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| [13:39:22] | ** justinh wonders wtf ylee is on about with their.. 'analog firewire' schmutz on the ML ** | |
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| [13:49:42] | exH: | Back and front end both in GMT and in sync: BE = 0.21.201.fc9 FE = 0.21.201.fc10 could it be an SVN bugfix |
| [13:50:06] | justinh: | are your FE & BE the same version? |
| [13:50:23] | justinh: | as in mythbackend --version |
| [13:50:23] | TLE: | hey guys, not sure if this is off topic, if so please disregard. I'm building a mythtvbox and I now have alle the components picked out, besides the dvd-drive |
| [13:50:26] | justinh: | mythfrontend --version |
| [13:50:42] | justinh: | TLE: good for you. |
| [13:50:49] | TLE: | Is there any particular models that you can recommend, that are nice and quiet |
| [13:51:09] | ** justinh suggests reading SPCR.com ** | |
| [13:52:15] | exH: | Both 19896M (is that the right info) |
| [13:52:20] | justinh: | FWIW they're all pretty quiet if you don't run them at full speed |
| [13:52:39] | justinh: | exH: yeah. |
| [13:53:04] | TLE: | yeah but that's the problem as I understand it, some drives tends to spin up and down during dvd-play |
| [13:53:21] | justinh: | exH: that's pretty new |
| [13:53:38] | justinh: | TLE: myth can set the max speed :) |
| [13:54:02] | exH: | Someone's got the fedora repos up-tp-date :) |
| [13:54:02] | justinh: | but look on spcr.com to find out about quiet drives |
| [13:54:20] | TLE: | what ?!? nice, thank yout guys |
| [13:54:26] | TLE: | justinh: I will have a look |
| [13:54:41] | justinh: | TLE: SPCR == silent pc review :) |
| [13:54:56] | TLE: | yeah, thanks I will have a look there |
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| [14:02:55] | Dibblah: | Yes, it's OT. But... http://www.livenews.com.au/Articles/2009/02/0 . . . rth_teenager |
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| [14:03:12] | Dibblah: | Personal responsibility? Nah, we don't want NONE of that, ta. |
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| [14:08:11] | shadash: | um the girl took a bunch of drugs because she was afraid she would get caught |
| [14:08:43] | shadash: | then her "friends" didn't take her to a hospital b/c they were afraid they would get caught |
| [14:09:07] | shadash: | yep sounds to me like its the drug dogs fault |
| [14:09:19] | joe2371: | It seems that only the icons for autoexpire, commercial flagging, and closed captioning are ever used. For instance, non of my shows have the icons for mono/stereo/surround displayed when highlighted. I would have thought that at least one of these would be displayed for pretty much every recording in the list. Is this a feature that is not yet fully implemented? |
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| [14:10:40] | shadash: | you might as well blame the sun for being bright allowing the girls the see the pills and water for helping her to swallow the pills |
| [14:10:52] | shadash: | girl to |
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| [14:17:48] | Dibblah: | joe2371: It's fully implemented. |
| [14:18:01] | Dibblah: | It depends on data from your listings grabber. |
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| [14:42:39] | gbee: | yay, new catalyst driver, with over a page of bug fixes too |
| [14:43:59] | gumpert345: | gbee 9.2 is out? |
| [14:44:52] | gbee: | 9.1 |
| [14:46:10] | exH: | DOH! Fixed my edit recording issue: FYI my OSD them was missing. Thanks for your inputs |
| [14:46:24] | exH: | ^theme |
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| [15:04:16] | TLE: | hallo again, previously i was told that mythtv can set a max speed on optical drives, but is that hardware dependent? I can't seem to find a description of this feature on the wiki |
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| [15:04:51] | TLE: | and furthermore, does this limitation also apply if I try to play say am avi file located on a dvd-drive? |
| [15:05:38] | jarle: | So I have this recording that for some reason is not indexed, and myth will not let me skip back/forward or edit it. How do I fix the recording? |
| [15:06:38] | TLE: | jarle: I think maybe avidemux can do it for you |
| [15:07:54] | gbee: | TLE: under the mythdvd/mythvideo settings |
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| [15:12:52] | fruit-fly: | damn |
| [15:12:57] | fruit-fly: | my maid came |
| [15:13:12] | fruit-fly: | I can't do shit now |
| [15:13:16] | fruit-fly: | brb |
| [15:14:05] | iamlindoro: | yeah, we get that a lot |
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| [15:18:06] | kslater: | lol |
| [15:18:07] | shadash: | maybe I can find some help here... I need to write an app/script that modifies paths in a file from / to \ this app/script needs to run under windows and linux. Ideally I'd like to the app to be standalone ie. not force users to install extra libs or enviornments. Any ideas? |
| [15:18:37] | shadash: | could be two seperate scripts/apps |
| [15:19:19] | shadash: | I know how to do it on linux with bash + sed but windows I'm not to sure about |
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| [15:32:25] | joe2371: | If I run mythjobserver on my FEs, and do the necessary NFS mounts, will the FEs each need to be independently configured to transcode or to do commercial flagging? Or will the FEs get all of these settings automatically from the BE? |
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| [15:33:30] | joe2371: | I'm just trying to estimate how much work will be involved in setting it up so that I can decide whether I have time to set it up now, rather than later. |
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| [15:44:58] | tnevoke: | when i try playing something i get "Error was encountered while displaying video" |
| [15:45:05] | tnevoke: | 2009-02–03 16:42:54.894 RingBuf(/data/1001_20090203164247.mpg): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/data/1001_20090203164247.mpg'. |
| [15:45:08] | tnevoke: | 2009-02–03 16:42:54.894 NVP, Error: JumpToProgram's OpenFile failed. |
| [15:45:09] | tnevoke: | this is what the logs show |
| [15:45:12] | tnevoke: | 2009-02–03 16:42:54.894 NVP, Error: Unknown error, exiting decoder |
| [15:45:18] | tnevoke: | my /data has 2 files all 0 bytes |
| [15:46:12] | gbee: | is the path correct? Does mythfrontend and mythbackend have permission to access that directory? |
| [15:46:19] | tnevoke: | jup |
| [15:46:50] | tnevoke: | i'm wondering why its writing anything as its live tv i'm trying to watch |
| [15:47:40] | tank-man: | live tv is recorded tv |
| [15:47:49] | tnevoke: | aha |
| [15:48:10] | tank-man: | how do you think you can pause, rewind and stuff |
| [15:48:17] | tnevoke: | true |
| [15:48:55] | tank-man: | you might get more info if you run mythbackend with --verbose option |
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| [15:49:19] | tank-man: | and as you said, its trying to play a file that has zero bytes |
| [15:49:33] | tnevoke: | ok |
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| [15:51:59] | tnevoke: | when running it in verbose mode the frontend says 'no lock' |
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| [15:56:58] | fruit-fly: | nvp? is that nvidia purevideo? |
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| [15:57:27] | fruit-fly: | I got something like that with the 180 driver |
| [15:57:29] | iamlindoro_: | No |
| [15:57:31] | Dibblah: | nupple video player. |
| [15:57:35] | iamlindoro_: | NuppelVideoPlayer |
| [15:57:39] | iamlindoro_: | too slow, gah |
| [15:57:47] | ** Dibblah needs to learn to spell, though. ** | |
| [15:57:50] | iamlindoro_: | No such thing as purevideo in linux |
| [15:58:16] | Dibblah: | Eh? Purevideo is the marketing name for Windows VDPAU. |
| [15:58:21] | iamlindoro_: | VDPAU != Purevideo |
| [15:58:31] | Dibblah: | Right... |
| [15:58:35] | iamlindoro_: | Purevideo encompasses far more than VDPAU does |
| [15:58:36] | Dibblah: | How? |
| [15:58:36] | fruit-fly: | mm.. I demand my money back!!! |
| [15:58:40] | Dibblah: | Like? |
| [15:58:51] | iamlindoro_: | Like partial offload on a much broader group of cards |
| [15:59:16] | fruit-fly: | I am going to sue nvidia |
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| [15:59:46] | Dibblah: | Yeah, but that is probably using libraries which they buy in. |
| [16:00:07] | Dibblah: | Besides, they want to sell their kit :) |
| [16:00:15] | iamlindoro_: | Dibblah: so purevideo and vdpau aren't the same, then |
| [16:00:38] | Dibblah: | Personally, I would call that quibbling. |
| [16:00:42] | iamlindoro_: | VDPAU is full bitstream only, purevideo encompasses technology which allows partial offload on different hardware |
| [16:01:04] | iamlindoro_: | how's that quibbling when one exists on two more generations of hardware? |
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| [16:02:58] | iamlindoro_: | It's important to make the distinction because you have people screaming on the users list and nvnews about how their "Purevideo capable" 6xxx cards don't work with VDPAU... because they're not the same. |
| [16:05:19] | tank-man: | moar mega hurtz |
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| [16:08:43] | Dibblah: | Purevideo != Purevideo HD != VDPAU. |
| [16:08:48] | Dibblah: | Unfortunately. |
| [16:08:51] | fruit-fly: | where does dvbscan save the filre? |
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| [16:25:22] | iamlindoro_: | So anyway, I thought the Chuck 3D was a total bust |
| [16:26:02] | iamlindoro_: | Barely anything I would have called a 3D effect, and defeated the purpose of a big HD screen by making everything look like purple crap |
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| [16:27:19] | GreyFoxx: | I haven't tried to watch it yet |
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| [16:28:34] | iamlindoro_: | having flipped the grasses on and off, I would even go so far as to say it looked much better without them |
| [16:28:37] | iamlindoro_: | glasses |
| [16:29:44] | directhex: | how strange |
| [16:30:03] | directhex: | "gamer hardware" company Razer using phoronix quotes in their blurb |
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| [16:33:30] | iamlindoro_: | Wonder how much more they will charge for this season's Chuck on Blu-ray for "special limited edition Chuck Buy More 3D goggles" |
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| [16:34:09] | iamlindoro_: | And yes: The goggles, they do nothing. |
| [16:35:13] | justinh: | see, I knew 3d was a bust, and I've never even seen it |
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| [16:35:24] | justinh: | anything to get bums in seats |
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| [16:35:29] | iamlindoro_: | It was crap (IMO) |
| [16:36:01] | justinh: | not that it's even 3d.. stereoscopic != 3d |
| [16:36:40] | justinh: | still, just call me bitter cos I'm not a stakeholder in 3D Inc |
| [16:38:22] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: been making some progress on my hack, though it's still not looking like it'll be done this week |
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| [16:38:57] | justinh: | it still feels like fun though, and that's important |
| [16:39:02] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Any progress is good progress, I've gotten nothing done this week-- I don't think I can/want to do anything else until I get one or two of the patches that everything else is built on committed |
| [16:39:11] | iamlindoro_: | That *is* good |
| [16:39:55] | justinh: | I still don't know my arse from my elbow but tbh even if I knew my c++ ABCs they wouldn't be much help |
| [16:40:44] | justinh: | apparently I already know more about C++ than some of the software guys I speak to at work. heh |
| [16:40:53] | justinh: | and that ain't saying much |
| [16:41:10] | iamlindoro_: | Hehe, I still don't know anything but I've managed some decent stuff in spite of it |
| [16:41:33] | justinh: | we need more have-a-go people IMHO |
| [16:41:54] | justinh: | though not if it slows real devs down while they look at pastebins |
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| [16:42:10] | ** iamlindoro_ looks around guiltily ** | |
| [16:42:24] | justinh: | oh go on sir, just one waffer theen patch... |
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| [16:43:12] | justinh: | anyhoo.. time to take mr doggle for his constitutional |
| [16:43:31] | ** justinh wraps up nice & warm & ventures out ** | |
| [16:44:01] | shadash: | BTW if anybody is interested. Here's how windows developers handle bash/sed file manipulation + much more without having to install stuff on users systems... http://www.autohotkey.com/docs/Tutorial.htm#Create |
| [16:44:22] | shadash: | it can create a stand alone exe |
| [16:44:23] | fruit-fly: | anyone got any ideas what does net0 doing in /dev/dvb/adapter0/ ?? |
| [16:44:48] | fruit-fly: | net sounds like internet not tv |
| [16:45:58] | fruit-fly: | shadash: thanks I am soooo NOT interested in m$$ |
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| [16:49:56] | shadash: | fruit-fly: I'm not interested in M$ either but sometimes I have to work with it |
| [16:50:40] | directhex: | fruit-fly, don't try to understand those device nodes unless you plan on working on the v4l dvb project |
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| [17:36:13] | fruit-fly: | directhex: ok |
| [17:38:47] | fruit-fly: | anybody know which are the digital channels for ny area? |
| [17:38:55] | fruit-fly: | new york city? |
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| [17:39:33] | fruit-fly: | I'd appreciate |
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| [17:40:52] | fruit-fly: | why isn't this process automatic like analog channels? |
| [17:41:01] | fruit-fly: | is like an extra step |
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| [17:43:07] | PMantis: | Hi guys, yesterday, myth told me it "will record" a show, "The Young and the Restless" today at 12:30 ET. It's past 12:30, and there's no mention of it in the "Upcoming Recordings" section. Also, the bold and beautiful isn't going to record today either, but no mention as to why... but yesterday it said it would. This have been happening every day, and my wife is pissed. |
| [17:44:07] | fruit-fly: | uh oh |
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| [17:45:35] | PMantis: | I've deleted the schedule, recreated it over and over... no filter, etc... nothing works for me. Yet, I'm recording a bunch of other shows daily |
| [17:45:52] | PMantis: | I also see no error in the mythbackend.log |
| [17:46:04] | fruit-fly: | PMantis: how do I add the digital channels? |
| [17:46:32] | PMantis: | Scan is all I know |
| [17:48:58] | fruit-fly: | mythtv adds them automatically? |
| [17:51:38] | PMantis: | It will scan for channels, and look for digital broadcasts on them, then add to the database, yes. |
| [17:53:55] | PMantis: | Hmm, when I look at "Find showings of this program", every day, except today, shows a start time of 1:30 PM, today shows 1:29 PM. I wonder if the EIT guide is overwriting the SD guide, and causing the schedule to barf |
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| [17:56:15] | iamlindoro_: | You must not use EIT and SD on the same channels |
| [17:56:22] | iamlindoro_: | because this kind of thing is exactly what happens |
| [17:56:33] | fruit-fly: | ok |
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| [18:01:21] | ** justinh feels like replying smugly to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/369336 but that'd involve logging into email ** | |
| [18:04:41] | Scopeuk: | think brad may have beat you to it justinh |
| [18:05:06] | justinh: | blimey it's Scopeuk ! where you bin at? LTNS |
| [18:05:30] | justinh: | busy at Uni still? |
| [18:05:34] | Scopeuk: | resonably |
| [18:05:55] | Scopeuk: | i'm pretty good how about you? |
| [18:06:20] | justinh: | aye not bad |
| [18:06:30] | justinh: | actually busy :) |
| [18:06:41] | Scopeuk: | wow |
| [18:06:48] | Scopeuk: | i'm not i'm jsut lazy :P |
| [18:06:57] | justinh: | students eh |
| [18:06:59] | Scopeuk: | and apparently still cant type properly |
| [18:07:01] | Scopeuk: | yup |
| [18:07:05] | Scopeuk: | not for much longer :( |
| [18:07:25] | justinh: | heh if dustybin can get a job, so can you ;) |
| [18:07:33] | Scopeuk: | :P |
| [18:07:45] | ** Scopeuk reads the news about the new stargate series and begins to worry ** | |
| [18:08:42] | Scopeuk: | aimed at a younger audience with some more focus on "relationships between mostly young and desperate explorers" |
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| [18:08:53] | Scopeuk: | they look to be writing stargate the soap opera |
| [18:09:12] | justinh: | erm.. wasn't it already? |
| [18:09:33] | Scopeuk: | a little but it wasent too bad |
| [18:09:35] | akv: | I just got a CI and decoder card, but i cannot get any video out of scrambled channels...only sound (myth just fails) |
| [18:10:05] | justinh: | akv: dvb-s2 perchance? |
| [18:10:17] | akv: | no, dvb-c |
| [18:10:48] | akv: | channels without scrambling is fine |
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| [18:11:37] | justinh: | does the CI work with any other linux dvb apps? |
| [18:11:47] | akv: | how can i test it? |
| [18:11:59] | akv: | if i do a scan, the channels is still listed as scrambled |
| [18:12:12] | justinh: | oh wait. try going into mythtv-setup and set the max. no of recordings to ONE on the card |
| [18:12:46] | justinh: | it's in capture card setup.. and then in the 'recording options' tab IIRC |
| [18:12:50] | akv: | right now i used czap to select a channel and mplayer to play the device |
| [18:12:57] | justinh: | did that work? |
| [18:13:06] | akv: | no video, only audio |
| [18:13:10] | justinh: | with the encrypted channels? |
| [18:13:11] | akv: | and works with un-scrambled |
| [18:13:24] | justinh: | so myth likely won't be much use to you right now |
| [18:13:36] | akv: | no |
| [18:13:42] | justinh: | btw is that with mythbackend stopped? |
| [18:13:47] | akv: | yes |
| [18:13:51] | justinh: | ok cool |
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| [18:14:20] | akv: | so i guess i need some way to test if the CI interface works |
| [18:16:58] | EnderTheThird: | I should be able to use checkinstall to make a .deb for svn if I set prefix=/usr/local, right? I was reading that it's usually easier to revert back to .21 if you set it up in local like that. |
| [18:17:19] | EnderTheThird: | I'm having trouble with checkinstall making my deb right now, but everything compiled just fine |
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| [18:23:43] | akv: | justinh: it's not because i have do do some registering against my SP? |
| [18:25:13] | justinh: | hmm? |
| [18:25:32] | justinh: | maybe it is |
| [18:28:00] | akv: | ain't there some way to test if the CI interface works? |
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| [18:29:20] | justinh: | yup. czapping to an encrippled channel & seeing if you get junk out |
| [18:29:44] | justinh: | as far as I know. you could try looking in dmesg & see what happens when the driver loads |
| [18:30:02] | justinh: | failing that somebody in #linuxtv will likely know better |
| [18:30:22] | justinh: | or #mythtv-de – there's a lot of dvb-c use over there IIRC |
| [18:31:28] | justinh: | pff. another freeview channel shuffle. WHY? |
| [18:32:04] | akv: | i'll try linuxtv |
| [18:34:11] | justinh: | and that Russia Today channel runs for a whole TWO HOURS. What is the point? |
| [18:34:31] | Dagmar: | That in Soviet Russia, TV watches you on *it's* schedule. |
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| [18:34:36] | Dagmar: | :) |
| [18:34:53] | justinh: | lol |
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| [18:52:48] | EnderTheThird: | Anyone tried compiling svn with r19919+? |
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| [19:10:09] | iamlindoro_: | And that's why you don't ask vague, open questions |
| [19:14:16] | justinh: | funny, I compiled it just a few hours ago |
| [19:14:43] | iamlindoro_: | And I just now |
| [19:19:02] | CCFL_Man: | iamlindoro_: what is the matrix? |
| [19:21:14] | justinh: | I wish I didn't know ;) |
| [19:22:20] | iamlindoro_: | Hmm? |
| [19:22:45] | kormoc: | Why oh why? |
| [19:23:08] | kormoc: | Who? What? Where? Why? How? Hrm? Really? Wow! |
| [19:23:40] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, thanks Beirdo... Makes sense in context of those /ignored |
| [19:23:55] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [19:24:02] | kormoc: | Removes half the point of /ignore tho, no? |
| [19:24:09] | iamlindoro_: | Good point |
| [19:24:32] | iamlindoro_: | On the other hand, I now know that any in further out-of-context remarks, I am not missing anything |
| [19:24:36] | iamlindoro_: | er in any |
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| [19:25:52] | gbee: | yes |
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| [19:26:58] | justinh: | seriously? I mean .. wow |
| [19:27:27] | iamlindoro_: | "And then what did she do?" |
| [19:28:13] | justinh: | www.flickr.com/justinsgoatsepics/ |
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| [19:28:40] | kormoc: | Must resist urge to click... |
| [19:29:28] | gbee: | watch your language, that's just filthy |
| [19:31:32] | ** kormoc hangs his head in shame ** | |
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| [19:37:52] | perilousapricot: | pulseaudio is terrible: discuss |
| [19:38:29] | xris: | sniny new potential mythbox: http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/03/nvidia-ion . . . iew-roundup/ |
| [19:38:32] | xris: | shiny, even |
| [19:38:35] | gbee: | no discussion required? Does anyone disagree? |
| [19:39:23] | gbee: | xris: a present? for me? :D |
| [19:40:32] | xris: | gbee: sure, when I win the lottery. |
| [19:40:46] | xris: | of course, I'd have to play the lotto first in order to win.... so probably not. |
| [19:42:32] | octavsly: | Did anyone try a Linux on thi? |
| [19:42:33] | shadash: | the lotto is a tax on stupidity |
| [19:43:46] | gbee: | too power hungry for a netbook, or similar portable device, but for a frontend it has potential |
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| [19:44:24] | akv: | justinh: someone just told me that his card first worked after 4 hours and mine has been plugged in for 2... |
| [19:44:36] | gbee: | octavsly: only review units available atm, but I can't see any reason why linux would not run on it |
| [19:44:58] | octavsly: | gbee: I need to read all specs. |
| [19:45:41] | shadash: | that looks sweet |
| [19:45:52] | gbee: | octavsly: even if hardware is unsupported at release (well like most hardware) it will be supported pretty quickly |
| [19:46:28] | octavsly: | gbee: I have seen this indeed but sometime support comes after 2 years :-( |
| [19:46:28] | shadash: | what is an atom 330 cpu? |
| [19:46:58] | octavsly: | gbee: if enough user will buy it then there might be a better chance |
| [19:47:03] | directhex: | shadash, dual core atom |
| [19:48:14] | gbee: | octavsly: the item pictured is not something a consumer could pick off the shelf, it's a prototype to demo the chipset |
| [19:48:24] | iamlindoro_: | Once thing I don't like about their reference design is critical ports in two diretions |
| [19:48:32] | iamlindoro_: | directions |
| [19:48:46] | iamlindoro_: | But that would likely be solved in a real retail design |
| [19:49:23] | gbee: | considering that they are targeting the small device/netbook market nvidia will release whatever specs are required to create linux drivers – it's in their best interests to do so |
| [19:49:51] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: they |
| [19:50:06] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: She! |
| [19:50:18] | octavsly: | gbee: but I presume will be launched soon... if the review are OK |
| [19:50:29] | iamlindoro_: | octavsly: Summer |
| [19:50:54] | gbee: | 've crammed in so much there that I'd expect a retail version to cutdown and reorganise it a bit |
| [19:50:54] | octavsly: | Soon enough |
| [19:51:06] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: yeah |
| [19:51:33] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: The hothardware review has a video demo of it under a nice TV, and in real life usage-- it's sexy-small :) |
| [19:51:34] | mchou: | wth is up with that miniature fan? sigh |
| [19:52:02] | octavsly: | :-( |
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| [19:52:35] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: I'd mount it on the back of the TV with a VESA bracket |
| [19:52:36] | mchou: | nvidia needs to really figure out how to make chips that dont suck power like it's going out of style |
| [19:52:44] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Was thinking the same :) |
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| [19:52:51] | octavsly: | I wonder is there any ATI solution available... after all AMD and ATIO should come up with a similar thing |
| [19:53:10] | shadash: | there's talk that apple will make the next mac mini with the atom |
| [19:53:21] | octavsly: | and as far as I understoon the "open doc" radeon driver was under development |
| [19:53:23] | mchou: | octavsly: ati may have hw, I wouldnt run linux on it :) |
| [19:53:35] | gbee: | octavsly: they are working on one, and it should use less power too if they achieve their targets |
| [19:53:40] | octavsly: | I know, but at least they open the specs |
| [19:54:04] | octavsly: | NV is still binary :-( |
| [19:54:07] | gbee: | shadash: doesn't make a lot of sense to use the Atom for a mac mini, it would be a huge step backwards in power |
| [19:54:23] | mchou: | octavsly: I'm a realist. specs doesnt man rubber hits the road |
| [19:54:25] | shadash: | hmmm |
| [19:54:31] | mchou: | mean* |
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| [19:55:09] | shadash: | gbee: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/apple-mac-nvidia-ion,6849.html |
| [19:55:11] | octavsly: | yes but the suse guys are implementing the radeonHD |
| [19:55:16] | gbee: | octavsly: we've plenty of open source nvidia chipset support, only their GPU drivers are closed source |
| [19:55:16] | jpabq: | http://anandtech.com/ also has a ion preview up |
| [19:55:17] | shadash: | just rumors |
| [19:55:28] | kormoc: | gbee, but with the new os x using the GPU for a ton of the work, it might be a good idea |
| [19:56:14] | kormoc: | octavsly, well, actually, NV is open source, nvidia is a binary |
| [19:56:24] | gbee: | shadash: I didn't say they won't do it, but just that it would be a complete U-turn for Apple, you won't find graphic designers or home movie buffs queing up to buy an Atom based device |
| [19:56:26] | octavsly: | sorry |
| [19:56:35] | octavsly: | you are right, I just wanted to write faster :-) |
| [19:56:48] | kormoc: | gbee, did those guys ever buy a mini anyway? |
| [19:57:44] | ** gbee shrugs ** | |
| [19:58:04] | shadash: | it's so annoying that the hardware people won't give us what we want |
| [19:58:21] | shadash: | so many near misses |
| [19:58:37] | shadash: | nothing quite perfect |
| [19:59:14] | iamlindoro_: | It's terribly annoying how I've never gotten that pony I've been ranting about |
| [19:59:33] | iamlindoro_: | or that Fellatiotron I've been craving |
| [19:59:33] | shadash: | sounds like a personal issue |
| [19:59:37] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: well your birthday is coming up, you never know |
| [19:59:49] | gbee: | damn you ... |
| [19:59:50] | shadash: | Fellatiotron does sound nice |
| [20:00:02] | ** iamlindoro_ asks gbee for allowance, goes out to chase the ice cream man down the street ** | |
| [20:00:08] | xris: | iamlindoro_ / shadash: family-friendly channel.. |
| [20:00:17] | iamlindoro_: | I promise to be home before the street lights come on |
| [20:02:54] | khunt: | anyone here got a nova td 500? Do you get disconnects and consequently okb recordings wondered if there is a fix |
| [20:02:58] | iamlindoro_: | I was only talking about my mechanized version of this man: http://movies.nytimes.com/person/775597/Christian-Fellat |
| [20:03:43] | iamlindoro_: | Who doesn't want a robot french actor? |
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| [20:07:13] | snarkster: | hi |
| [20:07:52] | snarkster: | i have a mythbuntu box, but i cant seem to find a package to run in my laptop to access the mythbackend server any clues? |
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| [20:09:06] | iamlindoro_: | If you want to access another myth box from your laptop, you will need to install mythTV on your laptop as well |
| [20:09:21] | snarkster: | ah there isnt just a front end then |
| [20:09:40] | gbee: | yes there is, just don't ask me what the package is called |
| [20:09:43] | snarkster: | that makes sense |
| [20:09:50] | snarkster: | oh |
| [20:09:57] | iamlindoro_: | Some distros package one or the other, but it is ill-advised and doesn't really cut down on the installed space |
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| [20:10:18] | iamlindoro_: | better to install the whole shebang (a difference of a few megabytes) and just never run the backend |
| [20:10:32] | snarkster: | i see.. ok |
| [20:10:55] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, it's not neccessarily about installation space, it's about other things like init scripts |
| [20:10:56] | snarkster: | and there is away to just use the mythfront end in application mode IE it doesnt take over the computer. |
| [20:11:18] | directhex: | snarkster, you can run it in a window, but not scale it |
| [20:11:20] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: So turn off the init script if you don't want to run the backend |
| [20:11:40] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, or don't install the script? |
| [20:11:55] | snarkster: | how do you discover the scripts name? |
| [20:13:41] | directhex: | the package is "mythfrontend" |
| [20:14:00] | snarkster: | it is? |
| [20:14:21] | directhex: | yes. iamlindoro_'s being uncharacteristically unhelpful |
| [20:14:45] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: Wait, huh? |
| [20:14:53] | snarkster: | hmm synaptic only shows mytharchive |
| [20:15:23] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: What's that all about? Maybe I just don't *know* the names of the ubuntu frontend/backend only packages, and was explaining why generally it's a bad idea to install one or the other? |
| [20:16:17] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: The backend and frontend only configure options were presumably removed/hidden for a reason, so I'm not sure I deserve whatever accusation you're making |
| [20:16:34] | gbee: | I'd assume the packagers know what they are doing if they choose to create a frontend only package |
| [20:16:47] | gbee: | it's not our place to question their wisdom |
| [20:17:05] | directhex: | christ on a bike |
| [20:17:09] | directhex: | fuck it. cba. |
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| [20:17:25] | laga: | huh? |
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| [20:17:34] | gbee: | double huh? |
| [20:17:40] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [20:17:41] | iamlindoro_: | can I huh too? |
| [20:17:48] | justinh: | I can haz huh? |
| [20:17:52] | laga: | so, as one of your friendly ubuntu packagers: what did we fsck up this time? ;) |
| [20:18:16] | snarkster: | i also have had a really strange thing happen the other day. I tried to create an iso of kung fu panda for my grandson so he can watch it on the big screen (mythtv) and wow it went crazy. stopping in the middle of a preview and that was it.. had to hard reboot the system |
| [20:18:19] | gbee: | laga: dunno, but directhex seems pretty upset with you |
| [20:18:33] | laga: | yay. |
| [20:18:45] | justinh: | hiding the 'truth' from users trying to make life easier for the poor souls |
| [20:18:45] | iamlindoro_: | laga: I wasn't implying anyone *had* messed up |
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| [20:19:05] | justinh: | damned if you do, eternally damned if you don't ;) |
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| [20:19:27] | justinh: | gah. make error. defines tripping me up again |
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| [20:22:37] | fruit-fly: | is 1tb ok for recording? |
| [20:23:08] | snarkster: | laga what is the ubuntu package name for the front end? |
| [20:23:24] | laga: | snarkster: mythtv-frontend AFAIK |
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| [20:23:33] | iamlindoro_: | fruit-fly: Isn't that sort of up to you to decide? |
| [20:24:02] | iamlindoro_: | SDTV = a couple gig at most an hour, HDTV = 7 gig at most an hour. Choose your own adventure! |
| [20:24:16] | iamlindoro_: | If you choose the 1 TB drive, turn to page 86 |
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| [20:24:42] | iamlindoro_: | If you choose an LVM of 50 MB MFM drives, turn to the illustrated page marked "clever's house." |
| [20:24:46] | fruit-fly: | I choose 1tb |
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| [20:24:55] | iamlindoro_: | Well there you go |
| [20:25:09] | fruit-fly: | MFM? |
| [20:25:10] | iamlindoro_: | Now, back to being uncharacteristically unhelpful |
| [20:25:30] | iamlindoro_: | Modified Frequency Modulation |
| [20:25:34] | iamlindoro_: | It's all the rage now |
| [20:25:51] | iamlindoro_: | The coolest mainframe on your block is going to have them come the fall of 79 |
| [20:26:55] | sphery: | gbee: Thanks for [19925]... I've always wondered why it wasn't that way to start with. |
| [20:27:34] | fruit-fly: | ok I'll check newegg for MFM drives, but why? 50MB? are you joking? |
| [20:27:46] | iamlindoro_: | *sigh* |
| [20:27:54] | justinh: | hrm. I've run into this one before |
| [20:28:24] | iamlindoro_: | fruit-fly: MFM was a technology for hard drives back in the very VERY early days of the personal computer. It's a joke. |
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| [20:31:53] | fruit-fly: | ok sorry I didn't get it, :S |
| [20:33:11] | gbee: | sphery: had bothered me for years, finally decided to do something about it |
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| [20:34:47] | justinh: | arghh I've got the old diff somewhere. probably on my old hdd. bugger |
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| [20:37:41] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I should probably let you know... you're not paid by the word |
| [20:37:54] | iamlindoro_: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2009-February/064483.html |
| [20:38:38] | gbee: | I think it's a chapter from his new book |
| [20:39:13] | justinh: | I'm gonna get this put on my headstone: http://pastebin.ca/1326546 |
| [20:39:18] | fruit-fly: | could it be that I mythtv isn't showing HD channels because I have a crt monitor? |
| [20:39:22] | iamlindoro_: | Sphery Explains it All: A practical guide to all things, ever, everywhere? |
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| [20:40:40] | gbee: | it would be a bestseller, but few people have the room for all 133 volumes |
| [20:40:47] | fruit-fly: | I probably need a better monitor |
| [20:40:58] | justinh: | I heard it was 1337 volumes |
| [20:41:07] | fruit-fly: | also, can I mythtv apply changes on the fly? |
| [20:41:09] | iamlindoro_: | And lo, justinh didst insert the whitespace, and it was good |
| [20:41:21] | ** justinh smacks iamlindoro_ ** | |
| [20:41:24] | iamlindoro_: | hehe |
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| [20:41:29] | justinh: | it's so's I can find my dirty code easier |
| [20:41:35] | fruit-fly: | without interrupting recording, streaming, decoding etc? |
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| [20:42:03] | justinh: | maybe I should be honest & just smatter stuff like // dunno wtf I'm doing really, hope this works ;) |
| [20:42:06] | iamlindoro_: | *sniff* I'll miss Justinh... he's calculating width and height with Jesus now." |
| [20:42:34] | justinh: | even if it worked I wouldn't submit it yet. yeesh |
| [20:42:51] | justinh: | not til my tinfoil hat comes |
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| [20:43:11] | iamlindoro_: | fruit-fly: Myth's ability to scan, play back, or record HD channels has nothing to do with your monitor |
| [20:43:18] | justinh: | mythappearance must've been some kind of fluke |
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| [20:44:29] | snarkster1: | thanx ttyl |
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| [20:45:44] | justinh: | ah. methinks my function shalt not be protected-eth |
| [20:46:12] | justinh: | scratch that. I don't know |
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| [20:47:35] | fruit-fly: | how to deal with encrypted channels? |
| [20:47:42] | fruit-fly: | I have tons of them |
| [20:48:07] | mchou: | you dont "deal" with encrypted channels |
| [20:48:21] | mchou: | you just can tune them |
| [20:48:34] | mchou: | not unless you get a set top box |
| [20:48:39] | mchou: | cant* |
| [20:49:10] | fruit-fly: | I cannot run mythtv on those set up boxen |
| [20:49:47] | mchou: | that depends on where you live.... |
| [20:49:54] | fruit-fly: | NYC |
| [20:50:13] | fruit-fly: | I know ppl with FIOS and Time Warner |
| [20:50:20] | justinh: | ahhh. now I sees it |
| [20:50:22] | fruit-fly: | time warner cable |
| [20:51:41] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
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| [20:52:17] | fruit-fly: | kormoc: are you in the area, can u help me? |
| [20:52:18] | iamlindoro_: | I think there's something in the air here today |
| [20:52:20] | fruit-fly: | :) |
| [20:52:37] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | fruit-fly: For now, you have to use a set-top box, feeding s-video into your Myth box. (I do that with 3 Dish Network receivers) |
| [20:52:58] | iamlindoro_: | It's like... erm... what's the word for when the UK dwellers go to sleep and all the American kids get home from school and get on the interweb chats? |
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| [20:53:09] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | fruit-fly: For HD, I have a HDHomeRun to pick up Over-The-Air ATSC – all the major carriers. |
| [20:53:12] | iamlindoro_: | Insanity? |
| [20:53:47] | justinh: | lol. oof. even more maketh errors |
| [20:53:55] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | [ot] speaking of the UK, I hear they got quite a bit of snow yesterday? |
| [20:54:01] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: your way isn't working anymore |
| [20:54:16] | justinh: | J-e-f-f-A|work: a teeny little bit, yeah. and everybody freaked out |
| [20:54:21] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: My "development style?" |
| [20:54:27] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: yup |
| [20:54:48] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Well that's all I've got then, the only alternative is *shudder* learning. |
| [20:55:04] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: it's snowing here now... expect from 3 to 8 inches depending on how close to the coast... |
| [20:56:02] | justinh: | J-e-f-f-A|work: the end of the world is nigh! (if that happened here again) |
| [20:56:04] | fruit-fly: | J-e-f-f-A|work: what about for cable? I've got nobody with dishes |
| [20:56:25] | justinh: | y'know in some parts of the south east the roads were at a standstill with three whole inches of snow |
| [20:56:52] | ** dustybin creates a new 'music videos' folder for myth video :D ** | |
| [20:57:02] | kayle12: | fruit-fly : same deal ,you need a set top box |
| [20:57:10] | justinh: | dan dan daaaaaaaaaaa.. and make did maketh |
| [20:57:16] | iamlindoro_: | fruit-fly:Umm... you know myth isn't a way to steal your friend's cable subscriptions, right? You're going to need your own. |
| [20:57:27] | justinh: | and lo, it still won't do what it's meant to do yet but hey. small victory |
| [20:57:41] | fruit-fly: | uh??!! who was talking about stealing? |
| [20:57:57] | justinh: | symptom: make faileth. cause: stupid pretendy coder forgot to paste 10 lines |
| [20:58:06] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: do you guys even have snow plows? |
| [20:58:15] | iamlindoro_: | You keep speaking about knowing people with a service, or "having people with dishes" |
| [20:58:18] | justinh: | J-e-f-f-A|work: heh. course we do |
| [20:58:32] | justinh: | dishes and oafs? |
| [20:58:32] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: hehe... ;-) |
| [20:58:40] | justinh: | oops. fishes and loafs |
| [20:59:05] | ** fruit-fly hears the loud screeching plow passing by ** | |
| [20:59:06] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Boss said I can leave early because of the storm... Don't need to tell me twice I can leave early!!!! ;-) |
| [20:59:06] | ** iamlindoro_ turns justinh into wine ** | |
| [20:59:13] | ** justinh looks up to where the hissing sound is coming from and sees a strange green coloured smoke ** | |
| [20:59:15] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work heads for home... ** | |
| [20:59:23] | justinh: | THE JOKER! |
| [20:59:28] | iamlindoro_: | oh that's right, I'll see your biblical reference and raise you a salt pillar |
| [20:59:50] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: I don't need wine. I've got real windows XP :P |
| [21:00:04] | fruit-fly: | iamlindoro_: well ppl who want this :D |
| [21:00:12] | fruit-fly: | look I don't give a damn about tv |
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| [21:00:22] | justinh: | oh _that_ is why make keeps failing. doh |
| [21:00:27] | justinh: | EWRONGOS |
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| [21:00:41] | fruit-fly: | if it were for me i'd be watching compile output all day long |
| [21:01:15] | fruit-fly: | of course if I do this ppl gonna think I've got issues |
| [21:01:44] | justinh: | mmkay, so after that copy & paste frenzy I need to work out where to go from here. or just leave it til tomorrow when it'll be more challenging because of the 'music' in the lab |
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| [21:02:25] | justinh: | extreme coding. trying to hack code to do your bidding while somebody plays Marc Almond's weirdest album in the same room |
| [21:02:44] | justinh: | :D |
| [21:04:50] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: anyway, I reckon you could've done this already, mister user of metadata extraordinaire |
| [21:05:01] | iamlindoro_: | I don't know nothin' about nothin' |
| [21:05:09] | justinh: | heh |
| [21:05:23] | iamlindoro_: | Anyway, it's all greek to me |
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| [21:08:08] | justinh: | this should be interesting.... |
| [21:08:49] | justinh: | whaaaaaaaaaa? ooooooooo :D |
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| [21:09:34] | justinh: | so far, I've made a new thing which does exactly the same thing as a different thing, only differently |
| [21:09:54] | justinh: | but it'll come in handy |
| [21:10:03] | justinh: | god I don't half jabber on |
| [21:10:22] | fruit-fly: | what's RCN? |
| [21:10:29] | iamlindoro_: | It's no problem when you're so precise and descriptive |
| [21:10:32] | iamlindoro_: | a cable company |
| [21:10:45] | fruit-fly: | in Manhattan? |
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| [21:11:08] | iamlindoro_: | Well, let me just consult the part of my brain devoted to service maps for all providers everywhere |
| [21:11:18] | iamlindoro_: | yes, but not on your street, sorry |
| [21:11:21] | justinh: | Draka Cardinal. they're a cable company too |
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| [21:11:57] | iamlindoro_: | sounds like an adult beverage to me |
| [21:12:27] | iamlindoro_: | "So relax, and live the high live. Ask your retailer to stock Draka Cardinal." |
| [21:12:34] | iamlindoro_: | s/live/life/ |
| [21:14:38] | justinh: | life is live, so said some cruddy old band |
| [21:15:06] | justinh: | I really should block off the vent that green smoke is coming in through |
| [21:15:23] | justinh: | must... block................ vent..... |
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| [21:19:44] | justinh: | hey, does anybody who replies to posts on the users ML own a pair of scissors? |
| [21:20:26] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, but you can't stab through the internet. I've tried. |
| [21:20:52] | justinh: | rofl |
| [21:21:28] | justinh: | DCC STAB ftw |
| [21:22:08] | iamlindoro_: | Best I've managed to deliver is a solid trouting |
| [21:22:46] | iamlindoro_: | /stab all |
| [21:22:49] | iamlindoro_: | Nothing :( |
| [21:23:53] | justinh: | bah |
| [21:24:55] | justinh: | well, I think I'll pick up my odyssey tomorrow :) |
| [21:26:07] | justinh: | hahaha Carol Thatcher got dropped by the BBC for being a racist cow |
| [21:26:40] | justinh: | one less plummy ne'er do well on the box :) |
| [21:26:50] | dustybin: | justinh: horizon is on now |
| [21:26:54] | dustybin: | <3 horizon |
| [21:27:10] | dustybin: | "Cannabis. The Evil Weed?" |
| [21:27:21] | justinh: | oh noes. I'm mything it |
| [21:27:27] | justinh: | see what I did there? ;) |
| [21:27:45] | iamlindoro_: | What group is that racist term referring to? |
| [21:27:53] | justinh: | dustybin: cannabis IS evil. it makes Neil in the lab play crap music |
| [21:28:05] | dustybin: | i used to smoke it AGES ago |
| [21:28:07] | dustybin: | not now |
| [21:28:10] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: she called a tennis player a gollywog |
| [21:28:26] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Right, that's not one of our local racist terms, so you've got me |
| [21:28:40] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: 1st hit on the search term |
| [21:28:47] | justinh: | pretty much sums it up |
| [21:29:08] | iamlindoro_: | ah. |
| [21:29:25] | justinh: | you can tell how it might be seen in that kind of light, though it was allegedly an 'innocent' kids' toy of yesteryear |
| [21:30:15] | iamlindoro_: | riiiight |
| [21:31:03] | justinh: | I had such a toy when I was really young, and I didn't grow up to be racist |
| [21:31:25] | gbee: | same here |
| [21:31:34] | gbee: | I had two in fact |
| [21:31:36] | justinh: | which is surprising cos my dad is er.. a BNP voter |
| [21:32:24] | gbee: | one was knitted by my gran's neighbour, the other strangely enough was also hand made and painted by another relative |
| [21:32:31] | justinh: | p***s, w**s, sp*cs.. you name it, he spouts bile about em coming over here n' tukrjerbs |
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| [21:32:58] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.engadgethd.com/photos/popcorn-hour . . . -on/1330533/ |
| [21:33:03] | iamlindoro_: | Not a lot to the inside of that thing |
| [21:33:10] | Dubstar_04: | Has anyone done a trunk build today? |
| [21:33:12] | justinh: | and all the while, works for an asian family. meh |
| [21:33:21] | iamlindoro_: | Dubstar_04: yes, went ok |
| [21:33:22] | gbee: | didn't make me racist, in fact you'd probably be called racist these days if you only gave your kids 'white' dolls/toys etc |
| [21:33:32] | justinh: | Dubstar_04: yup, several times |
| [21:33:49] | ** justinh pats 'token' on the head ** | |
| [21:34:04] | Dubstar_04: | cool, im going to do one now and replace my 0.21 build |
| [21:34:41] | justinh: | separate machines ftw :) |
| [21:34:43] | justinh: | waf+++ |
| [21:35:12] | justinh: | means you can break one in spactacular ways & not worry about the missus missin her stories |
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| [21:35:39] | Dubstar_04: | my current build is messed up so i am going to try trunk before i reinstall ubuntu |
| [21:37:03] | justinh: | gbee: at the rate I'm going, I might have some working code to show you by the end of the week |
| [21:37:13] | Dubstar_04: | is anything not working at the moment? |
| [21:37:24] | justinh: | me, I'm resting :) |
| [21:37:31] | Dubstar_04: | ha ha |
| [21:38:02] | Dubstar_04: | justinh: have you got any themes i can try? |
| [21:38:04] | justinh: | not only working code but screenshots, I hope |
| [21:38:16] | justinh: | Dubstar_04: nope. keeping 'concept' under this tarp |
| [21:38:24] | Dubstar_04: | come on |
| [21:38:27] | justinh: | nope |
| [21:38:34] | Dubstar_04: | be like that |
| [21:38:37] | justinh: | fine |
| [21:38:54] | justinh: | seriously, it's not fit for human consumption right now |
| [21:39:15] | Dubstar_04: | whats this: [libmythfreemheg-0.22.so.0.22.0] Error 1 |
| [21:39:25] | iamlindoro_: | An error |
| [21:39:53] | justinh: | I know I've been fiddling with it for ages, but it's way off. infact I'm going in another direction with it, one that needs code changes – which is what I've been bollocking on about all night as I stumble along with said changes :) |
| [21:39:55] | Dubstar_04: | are there new dependancies? |
| [21:40:02] | iamlindoro_: | no |
| [21:40:29] | iamlindoro_: | Just the same old dependency that the builder be smart enough not to try to build from unclean source |
| [21:40:50] | Dubstar_04: | enlighten me |
| [21:41:06] | justinh: | so nothing personal Dubstar_04 ok? I mean you could download a tarball from my webspace but it's nothing even close to representative |
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| [21:41:22] | iamlindoro_: | erm... don't build from unclean source |
| [21:41:41] | Dubstar_04: | justinh: i was being cheeky |
| [21:42:02] | justinh: | and I'm just stating my position :) |
| [21:42:50] | iamlindoro_: | Of course, if you've *never* built from trunk since the qt4 switch, you'll need qt4 and associated development packages installed |
| [21:43:14] | iamlindoro_: | So I guess it's down to what you consider a new dep (as that one is many months old) |
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| [21:43:51] | Dubstar_04: | i did a build about two weeks ago on this machine but never installed it. i thought i had deleted the trunk folder! |
| [21:44:03] | Dubstar_04: | i am fetching clan source now |
| [21:44:09] | justinh: | you prolly need to make distclean, then |
| [21:44:15] | Dubstar_04: | or clean source |
| [21:46:26] | justinh: | Oz & James time :) |
| [21:47:53] | Dubstar_04: | same error! |
| [21:49:14] | iamlindoro_: | Error 1 isn't the useful part of the error, by the way |
| [21:49:23] | iamlindoro_: | all that tells you is that there *was* an error |
| [21:49:36] | iamlindoro_: | The creamy filling is above that |
| [21:51:17] | gbee: | justinh: treat it as a drinking game, you have to drink every time they do |
| [21:51:25] | justinh: | plan! |
| [21:51:32] | tnevoke: | can freebox stream m3u playlists with http sources? |
| [21:51:33] | gbee: | not as intense as Oz & Gilly, but still |
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| [21:51:52] | iamlindoro_: | tnevoke: Erm... why not ask whomever makes freebox? |
| [21:52:21] | tnevoke: | i mean the mythtv plugin 'freebox' |
| [21:52:22] | tnevoke: | ) |
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| [21:54:04] | iamlindoro_: | Looks like it's a patch rather than a plugin, but a quik read of the ticket (which has not been touched in a very VERY long time) implies the answer is no |
| [21:54:11] | gbee: | huh? |
| [21:54:12] | iamlindoro_: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2152 |
| [21:54:30] | sphery: | gbee / iamlindoro_ : It's not a by-the-word contract? ... What a waste of my time--and especially since it's all about LiveTV. |
| [21:54:47] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Appears to be a patch for the IPTV recorder for French TV? |
| [21:55:02] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: And no use suing for back pay, either :) |
| [21:55:14] | sphery: | we'll see what my lawyer says |
| [21:57:11] | tnevoke: | iamlindoro_: do you know another way to stream mcast groups and/or http streams using myth tv ? |
| [21:57:20] | gbee: | hmm, learn something new every day |
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| [21:57:52] | iamlindoro_: | tnevoke: I'm fairly certain Myth's IPTV recorder allows multicast subscription/capture |
| [21:58:04] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: Really, though, I've mentioned the NEXTCARD approach about 10 times, but it seems it's too much of a strain. He's posted about 10 times about his concern and--since he actually took some time to look at/consider making a patch--I figured I'd write up details on how he can make existing Myth do what he wants. |
| [21:58:22] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Yeah, I figured that was your reasoning |
| [21:59:54] | sphery: | The interesting thing will be to see whether he actually reads the whole post (including all the easter eggs at bottom) or if he just reads, "There's another approach that you can use to make LiveTV work exactly as you desire, but doing so /will/ affect your recordings (basically tells Myth LiveTV is more important to you than recordings)," and stops reading because of that warning... :) |
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| [22:00:46] | iamlindoro_: | I wonder if I can get away with leaving an hour early with the boss out... |
| [22:00:49] | sphery: | I'm thinking a good title for the book would be "Fun with mythtv-setup" |
| [22:01:36] | iamlindoro_: | I like mine better |
| [22:02:50] | sphery: | But with yours, I'd have to talk about other stuff, too... And everyone knows that anything not Myth is way outside my area of expertise (and it's hard enough to pretend that Myth is within my AoE). |
| [22:02:55] | iamlindoro_: | Hahaha, there are six versions of Windows 7, they never learn |
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| [22:03:10] | iamlindoro_: | "Windows 7 Starter (limited to three apps concurrently" |
| [22:03:23] | gbee: | oh the muppets |
| [22:03:26] | iamlindoro_: | Good lord, why not call it Windows 3.1.7? |
| [22:03:47] | iamlindoro_: | Who releases an OS that will only allow you to open 3 apps? |
| [22:03:58] | gbee: | they so desperately want everyone to use another product |
| [22:04:42] | jams: | wow 3 apps at a time |
| [22:05:11] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: someone who has written an OS so bloated that running on a netbook means it _can't_ open more than 3 apps |
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| [22:05:17] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Heh |
| [22:06:56] | sphery: | And, once you realize that there's no such thing as an Operating System--only a kernel and applications--you'll realize that with the start edition, you get to run the kernel, a login shell, a GUI app, and one user app... |
| [22:06:57] | iamlindoro_: | I think they've actually *removed* more functionality than they've added in some cases |
| [22:06:59] | gbee: | makes perfect sense to me, they want new lightweight devices to use W7 instead of linux, so they have to offer a cut price version, but that version has to be unattractive to people wanting a desktop OS |
| [22:07:19] | sphery: | GUI app = Windows GUI (equivalent of X) |
| [22:07:30] | sphery: | no WM, but none required since you only get one user app |
| [22:07:55] | laga: | sphery: what about focus issues with mythfrontend? |
| [22:08:01] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:08:17] | sphery: | forgot that some apps, like mfe, use multiple windows... |
| [22:08:18] | iamlindoro_: | You need the $260 dollar version (three levels from the bottom) to JOIN A HOME NETWORK |
| [22:08:23] | sphery: | guess they're out of luck |
| [22:08:29] | sphery: | no way |
| [22:08:36] | iamlindoro_: | (By which I mean join a windows Samba network) |
| [22:08:50] | sphery: | got a link? |
| [22:09:02] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/03/windows-7- . . . o/#continued |
| [22:09:03] | laga: | iamlindoro_: the "home network" function is probably some special feature where you just need to enter a password on all boxen and it'll configure itself automagically |
| [22:09:12] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: if they think the Vista lawsuits are bad ... |
| [22:09:17] | iamlindoro_: | laga: So... domains light? |
| [22:09:23] | laga: | iamlindoro_: uh, dunno. never used that |
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| [22:09:44] | iamlindoro_: | "Can create home network groups" on the Home Premium edition |
| [22:09:59] | iamlindoro_: | Interesting that they've stripped Media center out of the lowest level too |
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| [22:10:11] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: no, probably the thing that does 30 seconds of animating paper flying from one computer to another while it says, "Please wait while Windows configures your network," after it did the 10-milliseconds of work to change the network config. |
| [22:10:18] | sphery: | gotta pay extra for that |
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| [22:11:37] | kormoc: | indeed |
| [22:11:47] | kormoc: | it makes things seem more magical when it takes ages to do anything |
| [22:11:48] | gbee: | what I want to know is, do you get a rebate or cut price upgrade if having bought a PC with the OEM version you decide to upgrade to the Pro version? |
| [22:11:54] | iamlindoro_: | Apparently parts of their UI are disabled in the lowest two levels too |
| [22:12:03] | kormoc: | "Please wait while windows calculates 2+2" |
| [22:12:30] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, I half hope the "Ok" button is one of the disabled bits |
| [22:13:18] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: That's part of Universal Access Control ;) |
| [22:13:32] | kormoc: | hehe |
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| [22:15:21] | justinh: | UAC.. why does that ring a bell? |
| [22:15:30] | iamlindoro_: | A Vista thing |
| [22:15:45] | iamlindoro_: | Darkened screen, "Are you sure you want to wipe your rear?" |
| [22:16:03] | sphery: | UAC = insecurity through the /appearance/ of security |
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| [22:17:55] | sphery: | I like Windows 7 Home Basic--only available in "emerging markets" = countries where piracy is rampant and they're selling a lower-cost version to try to convince someone to actually pay for it... |
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| [23:10:03] | Steven_M: | hi all |
| [23:10:51] | Steven_M: | Does anyone here use MythDora? |
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| [23:12:07] | Steven_M: | is MythDora-10-x86_64-DVD.iso the latest stable version? |
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| [23:13:33] | gbee: | it's the latest version on their site so ... |
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| [23:20:59] | Steven_M: | gbee: I'm just not sure whether it's stable or devel because one of the mirrors had devel in it's url |
| [23:24:54] | gbee: | mirror path is /10.21/, 10.21 is the latest stable version according to the news on the frontend page |
| [23:25:24] | J-e-f-f-A_ is now known as J-e-f-f-A | |
| [23:26:10] | gbee: | it's also the only version on that primary mirror |
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| [23:27:38] | gbee: | heh, they have a hardware fund which has raised $875 |
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| [23:35:37] | iamlindoro: | Oooh, bad IRC form |
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| [23:36:22] | iamlindoro: | gbee, definitely looking forward to the conditional stuff in MythUI when it comes, I have at least a few spots crying out for it |
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| [23:47:35] | ** J-e-f-f-A wondered what all that crying was... ;-) ** | |
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| [23:49:02] | justinh: | weeping spots. That's what I read about |
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