Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, January 29th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

[00:00:16]

sphery:

and, since the networks don't delay broadcasting the next episode of Lost just because you upgraded to a version of trunk that you can't make work, it's safer to use -fixes for your actual DVR

[00:00:17]

meshe:

yeah, i guess I do enough of that with the software at work :)

[00:00:38]

meshe:

may have to build a dev box for myth

[00:01:15]

Dibblah:

sphery: Hmmm. Actually, running -fixes, that also still applies.

[00:01:35]

Dibblah:

(Take, for example, Udo)

[00:01:41]

sphery:

IMHO, people should only run trunk on their production systems if a) they don't care about missing recordings, b) they don't care to actually use Myth, but just want to tinker with it all the time, or c) they're doing development (and /really/ keeping up with everything that changes)

[00:01:43]

Dibblah:

Please, someone, TAKE UDO!

[00:02:30]

meshe:

I'll be supporting other users soon with my backend so stability will be a concern then

[00:02:43]

sphery:

Dibblah: yeah, really, when people ask me about Myth, I tend to say, "If you want a good DVR, you probably want TiVo. If you just want a DVR, you probably want your cable/satellite company's DVR. If you want a DVR and some ability to tinker when desired, you may want to look at Windows MCE."

[00:03:10]

sphery:

But, if you want to learn, MythTV (-fixes) is a great way to force yourself to do so.

[00:03:35]

Dibblah:

Tinker? In MCE?

[00:03:47]

sphery:

tinker with files

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sphery:

:)

[00:03:52]

Dibblah:

It's monolithic. There's not a lot of tinkering to be had.

[00:03:55]

sphery:

i.e. the actual recording files

[00:04:20]

sphery:

though I don't know how much is still possible with Vista MCE and its support for the broadcast flag

[00:05:40]

Dagmar:

There's an easy answer for that

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Dagmar:

F**k Vista.

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meshe:

haha

[00:06:26]

Dagmar:

Vista MCE is a canned product no different than any other hardware PVR.

[00:06:41]

Dagmar:

The only minor difference is that you might get to pick what hardware it runs on. MIGHT.

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Dibblah:

I think http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/FiveStarVotePlugin

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Dibblah:

Would add _so_ much to Myth's Trac.

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Dibblah:

</humor>

[00:07:27]

sphery:

Dagmar: so you can't even get at the MPEG files with vista mce?

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Dagmar:

sphery: You know, it's Windows. The odds of them using a bare mpeg container when they're going to be convinced WMV is so much better...

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iamlindoro:

What was the thing people decided to "vote" on two or so years ago?

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iamlindoro:

on the users list

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iamlindoro:

Ah, Miro integration

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Dagmar:

They might actually let the mpeg coming from tuner cards alone, but the moment you do anything with it, it'll be transcoded to WMV with DRM.

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Dagmar:

...that is if it's not kept in a special container you can't get at without a certficate check from the moment it comes out of the tuner card. Let's hear it for Trusted Computing.

[00:09:14]

Dagmar:

...because broadcast flags are shite.

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[yzf600]:

hello all

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[yzf600]:

so my mythtv backend has gotten into a strange state where it won't let me delete some recordings.

[00:11:08]

Dagmar:

What's it say when it refuses to delete them

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[yzf600]:

good news is I'm only 2 days into using mythtv, so I can wipe the database and start from scratch

[00:11:51]

[yzf600]:

mythweb deletes the show, but when I click on recorded programs, they show up again

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Dagmar:

Whose binary packages are you using?

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[yzf600]:

mythtv packaged into ubuntu 8.10

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Dagmar:

Hmm... good luck with that then

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Dagmar:

It's supposed to work

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Dibblah:

[yzf600]: Have you manually deleted any recording files?

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Dagmar:

Works here in fact

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[yzf600]:

Dibblah: a few of them by mistake ;)

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Dagmar:

I can't think of a misconfig that could break it. I should get some food so I can think of one

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Dibblah:

Recreate them, then Myth will be able to delete.

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Dibblah:

Or run the myth...orphans script.

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Dibblah:

myth.find_orphans.pl

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[yzf600]:

actually, what I'd like to do is drop the database and re-initialize it

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Dagmar:

Okay yeah maybe after I've eaten being unable to delete recordings that have already been deleted will make sense

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Dibblah:

Well, do that, then :)

[00:15:07]

[yzf600]:

I know the drop part, but how would I re-init it?

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[yzf600]:

is there a .sql file I need to source when creating the DB?

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Dagmar:

It's in the documentation

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directhex:

if you do it manually

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[yzf600]:

ok

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oobe:

[yzf600], do you have multiple video sources or a slave backend

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oobe:

this could course it

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oobe:

i once made a slave back end then changed back to remote frontend and it had the same behavior as what you are talking about

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oobe:

for the recordings that were made on the slave

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oobe:

the master would not delete them

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[yzf600]:

I hate mysql database permissions

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directhex:

that's why the mythtv-database package does them for you when it creates your DB

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[yzf600]:

right

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meshe:

grant all on mythconverg.* to 'user'@'localhost' identified by 'password';

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[yzf600]:

I had a problem when getting this all running

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meshe:

grant all on mythconverg.* to 'user'@'%' identified by 'password';

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[yzf600]:

the backend setup went fine

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[yzf600]:

problem was a remote frontend client could not connect

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[yzf600]:

turned out to be mysql was configured to only attach to 127.0.0.1

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meshe:

the second command will work for remote clients

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[yzf600]:

after fixing that, frontends could connect

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[yzf600]:

so somehow in all this mess, I can't login via root to mysql anymore

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[yzf600]:

it thinks i'm coming from machine "yzf600.dns2go.com", which is my hostname

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[yzf600]:

but permissions only allowed root@yzf600

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meshe:

what distro?

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[yzf600]:

ubuntu 8.10

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meshe:

mysql -u root -S /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock

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meshe:

add -p if you have a password set

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[yzf600]:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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[yzf600]:

I know the password is right

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[yzf600]:

before I had to do this to login: mysql -u root -p -h yzf600

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meshe:

are you blowing away your db?

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[yzf600]:

no, not the mysql one

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[yzf600]:

I'm trying to login via root to delete the mythconverg one

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meshe:

if so shutdown mysql and run mysql_install_db

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meshe:

it will reset the mysql database and others i believe

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meshe:

don't do that if you have other important dbs

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[yzf600]:

yea – I do

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[yzf600]:

what's with the mysql/conf.d/mythtv.cnf file?

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[yzf600]:

is has bind-address=0.0.0.0

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Dibblah:

INADDR_ANY

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Dibblah:

So all addresses.

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Dibblah:

(That's what 0.0.0.0 means)

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[yzf600]:

ah

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[yzf600]:

shit

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[yzf600]:

I can't login to my database as root anymore.

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directhex:

nice work

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[yzf600]:

I'm good ak fcking thins up like that

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[yzf600]:

whew – got back in – had to launch mysqld --skip-grant-tables

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clever:

thats only a short term fix

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[yzf600]:

I know

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clever:

good :)

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[yzf600]:

sheesh – I've got 3 entries for the user root

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[yzf600]:

they are all identical, except for the host entry

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clever:

but they could be on diff hosts

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[yzf600]:

one has 0, the other has yzf600 and the 3rd is 128.0.0.1

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[yzf600]:

err 127

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clever:

each host could have its own perms&pw

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[yzf600]:

right

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clever:

i generaly try to stick to 1 name on the % host

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[yzf600]:

I think what happend is somehow mysql thinks my hostname is now the fqdn of yzf600.dns2go.com

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[yzf600]:

and there isn't an entry for that host

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clever:

if dont use -h on the cli, it should think your localhost(and use the unix socket)

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[yzf600]:

right – but what is localhost if the bind-address is 192.168.0.69? 192.168.0.69?

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clever:

i mean the unix socket, not the tcp one

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[yzf600]:

I guess I should be asking this in the mysql channel

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[yzf600]:

whew

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[yzf600]:

finally dropped the mythconverg database and made new one from scratch

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[yzf600]:

so now I'm off to ryn mythtv-setup

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[yzf600]:

ok – I've got my mythbackend database created and properly filled.

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[yzf600]:

I just launched the frontend and selected watch TV

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[yzf600]:

I get this in the logfile:

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[yzf600]:

Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/media/av/mythtv/2010_20090128203054.mpg

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[yzf600]:

and frontend never shows video eventually gives up and shows me a warning message about it

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poodyp:

how big is the file?

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[yzf600]:

there is no file in that dir

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poodyp:

then the recording failed

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iamlindoro:

frontend files are useless for diagnosing recording issues

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iamlindoro:

read your backend log

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[yzf600]:

that was the backend log

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iamlindoro:

there needs to be more context then

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iamlindoro:

pastebin

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[yzf600]:

right

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oobe:

chmod a+rw /media/av/mythtv

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oobe:

[yzf600], what i meant is you may not have read write permission for that directory

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oobe:

just try that above command

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BassKozz:

Can you use a svn/trunk frontend with a .21 backend?

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oobe:

good question i dont think so as they use different protocol

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oobe:

but trunk maybe backwards compatable

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oobe:

so in short i dont know

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BassKozz:

:-P

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oobe:

wait till someone useful comes around

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BassKozz:

np, thanks for the input oobe

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oobe:

i know mythtvplayer is not backwards compatable

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iamlindoro:

no, no backwards compat

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iamlindoro:

myth version must match across your system

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oobe:

ok theres your answer

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BassKozz:

roger that, Thanks iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

np, good luck

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oobe:

hey iamlindoro i sent steve adeffs an email about ragetvgrab not working anymore

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BassKozz:

I am thinking things thru right now, I have a p4 3.0ghz box that I use for simple NAS, and stays on 24/7 so I am thinking of making that my backend, but I want to try and use a trunk frontend to take advantage of VDPAU

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oobe:

i dont know if he knows or if he is really wanting to hear from people about it

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BassKozz:

so I got to rethink things ;p

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oobe:

as i dont know him

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iamlindoro:

Steve's a good guy, he'll likely respond eventually

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oobe:

did you want a link to what im using as a replacement till it is fixed

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iamlindoro:

No, I've got something of my own ;)

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oobe:

did you make it yourself?

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iamlindoro:

Yes

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oobe:

sweet

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oobe:

your not making it public?

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iamlindoro:

But mine is tuned for new features I'm working on for trunk, so it wouldn't be any use without lots of work in fixes

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iamlindoro:

no, not at the moment

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oobe:

oh cause it wont work with .21

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, exactly

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iamlindoro:

well, won't even work with most people's trunk, really

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iamlindoro:

it's built to fill the new metadata patches I'm working on

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oobe:

this is what seems to happen in transition period

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oobe:

people cant update latest stable cause they are working on the next thing

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iamlindoro:

Heh, stable stays stable precisely *because* people don't go around adding new features to it

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oobe:

yeah true but some things like scapers need updating

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oobe:

and imdb.pl is now outdated but its replacement is not available

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oobe:

etc.

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iamlindoro:

The replacement *is* available

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iamlindoro:

tmdb.pl

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oobe:

but imdb.pl still works of course

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oobe:

yeah i had a look at it will it work with .21

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iamlindoro:

yes (although may take some cajoling)

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iamlindoro:

I was under the impression mythbuntu had released it in their weekly builds, too

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oobe:

cajoling = messing around?

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oobe:

perhaps i am still using 8.04 and 8.10 maybe different

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iamlindoro:

oobe, takes at least the editing of the movie grabber preference, may take more, but I've never run fixes so I can't tell you

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oobe:

mythbuntu has svn packages thats probably where it lives in the repos

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iamlindoro:

no, I'm speaking of fixes packages

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oobe:

oh ok

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iamlindoro:

but you can ask them, mario was asking about using it in fixes a few weeks ago

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Blaidd:

I'm getting an error message when I try to watch recordings I've recorded with myth and I was wondering if someone could tell me what might be causing the error message. The message is a readStringList error. I have two backends running where one is a mirror of the other. I've confirmed that both backends and frontends are running the same version using the --version command. What else can cause the readStringList error?

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oobe:

what distro do you use iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, .22 will be much more metadata rich, and the grabber will need to update to deal with that, example: http://www.fecitfacta.com/myth-theme-screencap.ogg

[03:00:59]

iamlindoro:

oobe, debian and ubuntu at home

[03:01:43]

oobe:

i had this old p2 years ago with a graphic's card that wasnt well supported and i could never install debian

[03:02:07]

oobe:

i would of started using debian from the begining if i could of got round that

[03:02:24]

oobe:

i was a slacker till i tried ubuntu

[03:02:30]

oobe:

well kubuntu

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iamlindoro:

meh, distro doesn't matter, it's 100% personal preference

[03:02:46]

oobe:

just making convo

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oobe:

this was going back years

[03:03:06]

oobe:

like kernel 2.2

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iamlindoro:

yeah, just saying there's no shame in using ubuntu if that's what works for you, debian is no better

[03:03:20]

iamlindoro:

nor is it worse

[03:03:50]

oobe:

people feel more strongly than i do

[03:04:04]

oobe:

i choose ubuntu over debian for newer packages

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iamlindoro:

yes, but those people are silly/protecting whatever it is *they* use

[03:04:21]

oobe:

if i had a server it would be running on debian

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oobe:

any ttyl nice chatting with you

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iamlindoro:

seeya

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, You added the bit to MythVideo falling back to any image in the folder, right?

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wagnerrp:

ugh... yet another recording ruined due to giant school closing banners

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iamlindoro:

That sucks :(

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wagnerrp:

they actually have TWO COLUMNS OF CLOSINGS

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wagnerrp:

a ticker on the bottom

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wagnerrp:

and one that fades between places above it

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wagnerrp:

two rows, rather

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wagnerrp:

and every so often, they pop up a yellow banner over the closings ticker, to show more closings

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BassKozz:

wagnerrp: you have myth setup to autoflag and transcode, just curious if thats how your show got ruined?

[03:48:42]

wagnerrp:

BassKozz: its ruined by a bit blue box, about 200 pixels high, on a 720p recording

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wagnerrp:

s/bit/big/

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** iamlindoro solves this problem by living in California **

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iamlindoro:

of course... I always had to go to school, too

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BassKozz:

yeah, I can see how that's annoying, I thought that your commercial flagging screwed the whole recording becaus there isn

[03:50:06]

BassKozz:

't any black screens between commercials

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wagnerrp:

the 'sas comfort shoe store' is delayed one hour

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BassKozz:

because of the scolling banner

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, could be worse, could be like poor sphery where it goes to 480i when the banners get dropped it

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wagnerrp:

oh no! i wont be able to buy my shoes tomorrow morning!!!

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iamlindoro:

in

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wagnerrp:

they actually rescaled the video to 1200x650 or something

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wagnerrp:

but theres still a fair bit of the bottom covered up

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wagnerrp:

a 'warming center' is open in bethel

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wagnerrp:

because of course people who dont have heat, are still watching their HDTV

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BassKozz:

ROTFL :-D

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BassKozz:

the heat from the HDTV is enought to get them thru :p

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wagnerrp:

maybe if they have a plasma

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iamlindoro:

ugh, insult to injury, the ABC pushing daisies page now redirects

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wagnerrp:

so... if they final three episodes leak onto the internet, never to be shown on tv... do you download?

[03:56:59]

iamlindoro:

Apparently, according to wikipedia: "ABC is in negotiations to bring unaired episodes of Pushing Daisies to ABC.com without broadcast rights."

[03:57:07]

iamlindoro:

it'll come out on Blu-ray, but UGH

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wagnerrp:

uh oh... the creation museum is delayed 2 hours

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wagnerrp:

i actually thought that place had closed

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wagnerrp:

i bet this means my video card isnt coming in the mail tomorrow either

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iamlindoro:

check your scroller

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp — Package delivery delayed

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wagnerrp:

DHL is in plan A, whatever that is. nothing about UPS

[04:00:19]

wagnerrp:

although i could have sworn the first time through the ticker, they were in plan B

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joe2371:

In North America, is it Schedules Direct or nothing? (other than EIT, I mean) I'm just not sure I can satisfy myself that this project is worth a major hardware investment within the one week free trial. :-/

[04:03:53]

wagnerrp:

joe2371: pretty much

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wagnerrp:

EIT is pretty well crap in the US

[04:04:36]

wagnerrp:

and with schedules direct (and formerly zap2it), theres not really any incentive for anyone to write and maintain a worthwhile scraper

[04:04:37]

joe2371:

Well, I'm not knocking SD. I'm glad it's there and that folks stepped up to the task to provide the service. But I am also a cheap bastard.

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wagnerrp:

if you want to run mythtv, $20/yr for some scheduling data is the least of your worries

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J-e-f-f-A:

So $1.67/month is too much for listings?

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joe2371:

Yes, but $20 a year if I wind up going with tivo-HD isn't my idea of sound fiscal planning.

[04:06:54]

wagnerrp:

so if you dont like it, dont renew

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J-e-f-f-A:

So you'll pay $5 or $15/MONTH for Tivo?

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BassKozz:

joe2371: SD has a $5 plan

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BassKozz:

2mths for $5 I believe

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joe2371:

I'm not doing anything yet. Just bemoaning the absense of a free source of listings for folks that can't invest the time to design an entire networked DVR system in a week.

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wagnerrp:

so get it working, recording, and all

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wagnerrp:

and THEN sign up for SD once you start using it

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GreyFoxx:

It's like 15 minutes using mythbuntu/knoppmyth if all you are doing is trying it out

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not need scheduling data

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GreyFoxx:

You don't have to go crazy right out the gat

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GreyFoxx:

e

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wagnerrp:

livetv works fine, and recordings can be done manually

[04:09:27]

wagnerrp:

although its not much worth without said data

[04:09:52]

quinten:

hey, i'm about to take the trunk plunge. do i need to manually update the database schema, or do the mythbuntu packages handle any changes?

[04:10:01]

wagnerrp:

neither

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quinten:

ok

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wagnerrp:

if you want to use trunk, compile source

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J-e-f-f-A:

And if you're doing ATSC , you might get lucky and get EIT data for a day or two.

[04:10:28]

wagnerrp:

then run mythtv-setup once to update the schema

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joe2371:

I guess I should go ahead and buy a second HVR-1600 for the BE, and then sign up for the 1-week trial. I have a FE and a working BE, so I can start collecting feedback from the rest of the family that will help me decide how much hardware to start buying next.

[04:11:05]

iamlindoro:

and if you are running mythbuntu trunk packages, you get your support from them in #ubuntu-mythtv, not here

[04:11:22]

iamlindoro:

as they're on the hook to fix issues since they're the ones who decided to make trunk packages available

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joe2371:

Is there a #mythgentoo too?

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BassKozz:

Heya J-e-f-f-A hows the driveway?

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wagnerrp:

considering gentoo only runs straight source, theres not much need for a separate channel

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BassKozz:

Were you able to get all the snow away before the rain started?

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iamlindoro:

there used to be #gentoo-mythtv IIRC, but they do make list commands for IRC

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J-e-f-f-A:

BassKozz: Yeah, perfect timing... The rain was just starting when my son and I went out to clean it up. ;-)

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BassKozz:

good move, I got it done just in time aswell, it must have been very heavy after 3pm

[04:16:05]

joe2371:

Well, rather than getmyself kickbanned by nickserv due to excess flood for listing 400 bazillion channels, I tend to use web services that approximate the same thing.

[04:16:39]

iamlindoro:

joe2371, Huh? listing the channels doesn't go into a channel

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joe2371:

I see that /help list on freenode comes with warnings about getting disconnected, at least.

[04:17:32]

iamlindoro:

Oh, I see what you're saying, I had you backwards

[04:19:47]

joe2371:

Can anyone share their experience with amplified splitters with me? I'm trying to figure how I'm going to support having 4, 6, or even 8 cable taps into the BE.

[04:19:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

joe2371: looks like you can wildcard it – so "slash" list mythtv will show you all the channels with mythtv in the name...

[04:20:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

joe2371: (put asterics around mythtv)

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wagnerrp:

joe2371: they work fine

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joe2371:

J-e-f-f-A_: ah, good to know. I'll give it a try.

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wagnerrp:

joe2371: if you have a cable modem, or STBs, either put them upstream of the splitter, or you need to get a special bi-directional splitter

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wagnerrp:

amps will kill upstream signals

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wagnerrp:

cablecos usually pump in enough power to feed ~4 devices without issue

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joe2371:

I'm glad to hear that the devices that are advertised to do the required job, apparently actually do it. I remember in the bad old days when a signal booster could be counted on to make things worse.

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wagnerrp:

a signal booster is crap

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wagnerrp:

once the signal is already degraded, theres no recovering

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wagnerrp:

but if you amp at or immediately before the splitter, it works a lot better

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joe2371:

Well, I suppose it depends on where you stic it, as you say.

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wagnerrp:

plus theres always the issue that too much signal is worse than too little

[04:26:52]

wagnerrp:

too little signal, you just wont get reception

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wagnerrp:

too much, you still wont get reception, and you may damage parts

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, When you see the delete segfaults, is it as the delete happens, or on the next action thereafter?

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joe2371:

Sure. I saw mention that too much amplification from CATV amplifiers would fry DVB-S equipment especially. Or perhaps it was satellite STB hardware. But either way.

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joe2371:

Might it make sense to try to ensure that the cable modem is not downstream of any aplifying splitters? Bidirectional or otherwise?

[04:32:22]

wagnerrp:

if its bi-directional, it shouldnt matter (so long as the signal isnt too strong)

[04:32:49]

wagnerrp:

but if its not bidirectional, an amp will quarter, or worse, your upstream signal, and the modem wont connect

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joe2371:

If I get an 8-way amp-splitter with more outputs than I'll use right away, I imagine I'll need terminators. I think all of my coax terminators are 50ohm. Does it all tend to be 75ohm these days?

[04:39:31]

wagnerrp:

i know terminators are recommended, but ive never actually used (or seemed to need) them

[04:40:08]

joe2371:

Hmm. Ok. I may be able to get that info from the cableco. Or possibly by studying their coax markings.

[04:44:14]

joe2371:

Well, I guess I'll get another HVR-1600, an amplified splitter, and an ATSC antenna. My clear-QAM options are currently pretty limited, but if I augment them with OTA ATSC, and with most of my channels on NTSC over cable, I think I'll probably have plenty of options for the conflict manager to consider.

[04:44:48]

wagnerrp:

your clearQAM options should be (nearly) everything you get on ATSC

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wagnerrp:

cablecos retransmit all the local broadcast stations across their wire

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joe2371:

They seem to be encrypted for the most part. Perhaps I have for fiddling to do though, then.

[04:45:41]

wagnerrp:

not the local ones they arent

[04:46:03]

joe2371:

Or maybe they are 8vsb over coax instead of QAM.

[04:46:12]

wagnerrp:

if you want, check out the silicondust site. they have a listing of all available qam channels, by zip code

[04:46:42]

joe2371:

I have downloaded their listing, but of course, I cannot simply import their data into mythtv.

[04:47:43]

joe2371:

I have only managed to get the card to detect half a dozen QAM streams so far.

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wagnerrp:

hah! it seems someone recently scanned my area

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joe2371:

Might that be a consequence of splitting the output of a splitter... which itself is probably fed by the output of another splitter further up?

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wagnerrp:

theres captures with the winter weather ticker from the last few days

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wagnerrp:

maybe

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wagnerrp:

some channels might be at a higher power than others

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joe2371:

Hmm. Well, I guess I can move the BE to the guest room. The jack in there is currently unused. Though it may turn out to be further from the input to the house.

[04:51:38]

wagnerrp:

i moved my backend to the basement, right next to the cable line in

[04:52:02]

wagnerrp:

and then drilled a hole in the floor to run cables to the tv directly above

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joe2371:

Well, that's where I stuck the cable modem, though.

[04:52:27]

wagnerrp:

so put the modem, backend, amps, and all down there

[04:52:28]

sphery:

drillin's the way to go!

[04:52:42]

sphery:

Keeps ugly/loud frontends out of the viewing room.

[04:52:49]

joe2371:

Currently the cable modem is on a splitter, and the BE is on a splitter off the splitter shared with the modem.

[04:53:07]

sphery:

(and don't try to tell me that it's possible to find any case that's prettier than an invisible case)

[04:54:20]

joe2371:

I might try a 3-way splitter to share the modem with the analog and digital inputs of the HVR, but I might almost be better off just getting the 8-way bidirectional amp splitter I have my eye on, in that case.

[04:54:23]

wagnerrp:

seems the captures were taken this monday afternoon

[04:55:42]

joe2371:

...well, a handsome brushed aluminum slim case might wind up being the best looking thing in the room in some households.

[04:56:24]

wagnerrp:

oh yeah! http://img.lineupui.silicondust.com/snapshots . . . _8104597.jpg

[04:56:32]

wagnerrp:

is that the bat of justice or something?

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wagnerrp:

huh... i just decided to do a full cable scan (all channels)

[05:03:02]

wagnerrp:

and picked up a few stations on 27

[05:03:08]

wagnerrp:

27 should be analog hbo

[05:03:11]

wagnerrp:

i guess they dropped it

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wagnerrp:

seems its locking on encrypted channels on what used to hold scrambled analog

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joe2371:

Do options exist for hardware accelerated mpeg decoding on the FEs? I find my BE is unstressed on a single core Athlon 64, but my testing FE uses 150% of cycles (as it were) on a Core 2 Duo.

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wagnerrp:

joe2371: PVR350 (no longer available), XvMC (not recommended), and VDPAU (not officially released)

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wagnerrp:

a core2 should chew through HD mpeg2

[05:19:26]

wagnerrp:

that single core a64 should really be plenty sufficient for HD mpeg2

[05:19:34]

EnderTheThird:

My C2D 6600 (2.4 GHz) does fine with HD MPEG2. h.264 and VC-1 are a completely different animal though, heh.

[05:19:52]

joe2371:

Ah, well. One of these days I ought to stick a DVI-D and an FPGA on a PCI-Express card for the purpose.

[05:20:07]

wagnerrp:

joe2371: good luck with that one

[05:21:04]

wagnerrp:

throw on there HDMI and audio compression/passthrough, and write some drivers, and mythtv support, and you may have something there!

[05:21:07]

wagnerrp:

:P

[05:22:49]

wagnerrp:

with VDPAU coming into the mix in the future (and possibly other implementations on other branded cards), thats not really something thats needed any longer

[05:23:23]

EnderTheThird:

VDPAU is working pretty well for me so far. Just ordered an 8400GS for my main Myth machine so I can watch my BD movies.

[05:23:27]

joe2371:

Heh. I wasn't talking about encrypted video. But being able to dump xvid onto the bus and have it wind up on the TV would probably be fairly straightforward to realize.

[05:23:47]

wagnerrp:

joe2371: thats what im talking about too

[05:24:00]

wagnerrp:

VDPAU is a decode acceleration for nvidia 8-series and better cards

[05:24:20]

wagnerrp:

it handles mpeg2, h264, and on newer cards vc-1

[05:24:44]

EnderTheThird:

Although I'm an idiot and ordered a 9500GT by accident at first, so I'm gonna lose some money by having to send that back and get docked 15% for the restocking fee. ARgh.

[05:24:45]

wagnerrp:

no xvid, but who really cares about xvid when a 1Ghz P3 can manage that just fine

[05:24:53]

joe2371:

Oh? VDPAU provides HDCP support on Linux?

[05:25:03]

wagnerrp:

who needs HDCP support?

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EnderTheThird:

Do research before getting a card for vdpau. Not all cards will do VC-1 hardware decoding.

[05:25:51]

wagnerrp:

HDCP is something entirely dependent on the transmitting device

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joe2371:

I don't have a BD drive or player of any kind. I had assumed that BD playing with mythtv was a long way off.

[05:26:20]

wagnerrp:

if the video transmitter (the mythtv box) doesnt want HDCP, the rest of the devices in the chain couldnt give a damn

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joe2371:

oic. I haven't read up on it. I thought the CP chain started with the reader.

[05:27:11]

wagnerrp:

all the windows based decoders use hdcp, but chances are slim to nil that anyone will ever release a bluray player for linux

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wagnerrp:

the CP chain relies on the video decoder saying it wants to continue using CP

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oobe:

does anyone know if trunk will be or already is implementing the background poster on tmdb with tmdb.pl

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oobe:

or is it going to be the same poster size corner

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wagnerrp:

if the decoder doesnt want to continue it, it doesnt have to contine

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wagnerrp:

of course no one is going to license a player that does not maintain CP, so no decryption keys

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wagnerrp:

hence the on going work to break BD+

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EnderTheThird:

AnyDVD for Windows can get past BD+, and you can run it from a VM session in VMware or VirtualBox.

[05:29:48]

EnderTheThird:

Not quite ideal for Linux users, but it's doable.

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wagnerrp:

but there is still no live playback, since you cant run a player in real time inside that VM

[05:30:40]

wagnerrp:

you have to rip/decrypt it in the VM, copy it to a FS available to linux, and then play back from hard disk

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joe2371:

Well, a rip beats live any day of the week, IMHO.

[05:31:00]

wagnerrp:

yeah, if i want to play live, i have my playstation for that

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EnderTheThird:

Same here, my $400 BD player (PS3). Eek.

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wagnerrp:

better than a $400 BD player that you cant play games on

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EnderTheThird:

Not by much. I have MGS4 (which I haven't touched) and Little Big Planet (which i've played for a couple hours).

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wagnerrp:

LBP is really meant to be a social game, not recommended for single play

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, it was fun for a bit but I haven't really gotten into it. Kinda got latched to too many 360 games.

[05:34:47]

izzle:

I have this IR blaster that uses a phono port, is there anyway to send ir signals through my soundcard?

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oobe:

anyone one thought of adding this to the topic http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/history

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iamlindoro:

oobe, it's already sent by chanserv on entrance

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oobe:

oh i never noticed

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iamlindoro:

and it's smart enough to know you were just here

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oobe:

yeah pretty cool

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oobe:

did see my question a few lines up about mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

Ticket #6159

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oobe:

how do i search for a ticket

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wagnerrp:

on trac

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iamlindoro:

put 6159 in the search box and click "search"

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iamlindoro:

And no, it wont' apply to trunk, don't backport it, leave it alone, and forget you saw it after you're done ;)

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iamlindoro:

er won't apply to fixes

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oobe:

yeah i dont mind im just interested in the future

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wagnerrp:

oh im sure it will with enough effort and obstinance

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, That would *really* irritate the heck out of me

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iamlindoro:

more than VDPAU backports

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wagnerrp:

obstinant people usually do

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oobe:

very nice

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iamlindoro:

anyway, it's 100% reliant on MythUI so it'd be a reimplement

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izzle:

I see usage for using lirc and the sound card for a receiver but how about transmit?

[05:45:00]

wagnerrp:

sound card for a receiver?

[05:45:21]

wagnerrp:

i mean there are some sound cards that have external bays with receivers

[05:45:30]

wagnerrp:

but capturing an ir signal with a sound card?

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EnderTheThird:

All this MythUI stuff keeps tempting me to compile SVN. :-/

[05:45:58]

oobe:

great work iamlindoro looks excellent

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iamlindoro:

oobe, yeah, it'll be fun, needs more work but it'll get there

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wagnerrp:

i was amazed how quicky it cycled through 1080p images on that video

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Yeah, once it's got them in cache it's super super fast

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oobe:

looks like the next version will be leaps ahead of this version

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iamlindoro:

first time you load the image it's .75 seconds or so, after that (including sessions tehreafter) it's that fast

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wagnerrp:

oh, themecache, not just memory cache?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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izzle:

wagnerrp, yea there is capture, but I want transmit. I have a old blaster from a cable set top box that uses a phono jack

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wagnerrp:

does the ui code just automatically preload them when you enter mythvideo?

[05:48:21]

EnderTheThird:

wagnerrp: what video?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, on demand, so it only loads them when selected

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strex:

anyone seen this error before? NVRM: Xid (0004:00): 13, 0000 01019700 00003497 00001808 00000000 00800000

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird, http://www.fecitfacta.com/myth-theme-screencap.ogg

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izzle:

Maybe I could cut the jack off and wire it up to a serial?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I imagine once it gets committed someone will figure out how to make them even faster

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wagnerrp:

izzle: that might work, but plugging it into a sound card absolutely would not

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: sexiness.

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wagnerrp:

besides, those IR blasters are usually 2.5mm, while standard audio jacks are 3.5mm

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izzle:

why so? there already is alsa_audio support for lirc which does receive

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izzle:

wagnerrp, no this one fits

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izzle:

its 3.5

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wagnerrp:

izzle: i presume for sounds cards (like the sblive) that have actual IR hardware

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wagnerrp:

huh... its actually rigged up to capture through the line in...

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wagnerrp:

thats almost as hackish as the homebrew DVB modulator running off a VGA DAC

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izzle:

http://www.lirc.org/html/audio-alsa.html here is receive

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izzle:

i figure if you can receive you must be able to transmit

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wagnerrp:

im looking at that now

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oobe:

will the system requirements be higher to run a frontend with mythvideo that flash

[05:54:19]

wagnerrp:

i dont know if line out has enough power to feed a worthwhile transmitter

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izzle:

sigh.... I should just buy a atsc card

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iamlindoro:

oobe, I haven't measured. My theme/frontend is certainly going to be far far higher memory consumptionwise. It'll also require an HD 16:9 screen, and one that has no overscan.

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: it wont follow what the 'tv setup wizard' tells it?

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wagnerrp:

the custom GUI size and offset

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, yes, it will, but 16:9 only

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wagnerrp:

so then overscan is just fine

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iamlindoro:

I won't take any responsibility for any weird things that happen in that use case, though

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, text scaling is pretty messed up, running it at a custom size and offset is almost certain to break txt fields/truncate them

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EnderTheThird:

That's a bummer. My TV has a decent bit of overscan that I need to correct with a custom FE window size.

[06:01:54]

iamlindoro:

may work, may not, don't plan on feeling bad about it if it doesn't ;)

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iamlindoro:

oh, and OpenGL renderer

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iamlindoro:

as many of the effects don't work in the Qt painter

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Worked exactly as planned, thanks :)

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sphery:

glad it worked

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iamlindoro:

Yep, automatically pulled in the fanart banner and screenshot, and the fifth season cover for Lost :)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: not the cover for Lost in Space?

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iamlindoro:

Heh, Don't have one, but I suspect if it were there there might be problems-- the ultimate solution needs to be match title case-insensitive, but with only numbers thereafter

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sphery:

users can change it if it pulls the wrong one, right?

[06:31:11]

sphery:

if so, checking can wait

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iamlindoro:

yeah, it can be changed

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sphery:

why only numbers? are you expecting some sort of format

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iamlindoro:

I hooked the new file browser into all the metadata types yesterday

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sphery:

cool

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oobe:

why will your theme not work with overscan iamlindoro

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sphery:

he's using the full screen, so it would be cut off if you overscan

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iamlindoro:

I have it matching first on seriesID, then on Title*, then on title.. I think that's fairly permissive, but yes, a specific format

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iamlindoro:

oobe, as sphery mentions

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oobe:

ok i got it

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Because I want any "natural" naming scheme to be permissible but still allow for some sort of sharing of the data by both the PBB and MV at some point

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sphery:

just wondered why there would be only numbers... was thinking, if I named it, I might use separators and/or subtitle

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I'm only trying to account for a naming scheme that makes sense when automated-- when a user wants to do something manually, they are more than welcome to

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sphery:

so, Lost-20090129-Jughead.png

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iamlindoro:

ie PBB should pull them in as SeriesID ultimately, but since the TVDB grabber doesn't have access to that information, it should pull them in as TITLESEASON

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sphery:

it's no big deal... like you said, the user can change it

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iamlindoro:

sphery, that naming would only really account for screenshot, which is automatically generated, copied, and set by the export anyway

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iamlindoro:

if the user decides to set banner/fanart/coverfile as a screenshot, they're on their own

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

then you can expect a certain format (the one you use :)

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iamlindoro:

right (for coverart/banner/fanart, anyway) as those three will be pulled in by the grabbers on either side in 99% of cases

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sphery:

cool

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iamlindoro:

not that the PBB has grabbers yet, but IMHO I think it should be a backend function that pulls in any and all undownloaded metadata when the show is scheduled

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iamlindoro:

so as to not have to download the metadata for everything in the guide

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iamlindoro:

but say I decide to record lost for the first time-- the scheduler should kick off the TV grabber and hunt for the coverfile/banner/fanart if !exists already

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iamlindoro:

that way it can be used in the PBB by the time the playback happens

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sphery:

cool

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iamlindoro:

would also be neat to supplement a scheduled item if a given field is empty with the grabber at schedule time

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iamlindoro:

but again, IMHO only items getting scheduled so as to be kind to the data source

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laga:

BenB: i'm here.

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stillinuse:

justinh: hi, man just solved problem of msi tv anywhere master, audio video desync issue.

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stillinuse:

by including "options tda9887 qss=0" in /etc/modeprobe.d/options

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stillinuse:

wanted to share this, so that it may help others.

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iamlindoro:

We help others by keeping them far far away from framegrabbers ;)

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stillinuse:

lol

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stillinuse:

aah man, i love video quality and sound. its very cool now :)

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stillinuse:

iamlindoro: wouldn't framegrabber with 16M mem make any difference ?

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iamlindoro:

no. Framegrabbers are awful, period.

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stillinuse:

i wish i could share reception quality

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stillinuse:

specially channel switch time, its like 200ms or perhaps even less

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stillinuse:

even faster than gadmei external tv device

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stillinuse:

well thanks

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Dibblah:

Someone enthused with the quality of a framefrabber? Wonders will never cease...

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Gumby:

Cananyone suggest why I might be getting these errors on my backend "/GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/dvr2/2113_20090127213001.mpg& quot;? When I have this, it seems to eventually use up all memory and the backend crashes. I've verified this by watching top and the log file simultaneously

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justinh:

Dibblah: some of the newer tuners are actually not bad, coupled with 10-bit ADCs in the newer video decoder chips... bing!

[09:01:57]

justinh:

wait til he sees the channel change time in livetv though. heh

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justinh:

some of the new silicon tuners can actually retune so fast they can actually do real-time PiP

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crackerbox2:

hey guys

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crackerbox2:

anyone still alive?

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justinh:

nope

[09:29:27]

crackerbox2:

when i do a "mysql> select * from dtv_privatetypes;"

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crackerbox2:

stuff is all messed up

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justinh:

so?

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justinh:

what are you doing that for?

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crackerbox2:

is there an sql command to delete all my channel data

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justinh:

use the mythtv channel editor

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crackerbox2:

that doesn't really get rid of everything though

[09:33:42]

crackerbox2:

I think the channel scanner im using messed stuff up

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justinh:

what's wrong with using mythtv-setup to scan?

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Gumby:

my guess is that it doesnt scan dishnetwork properly. hehe

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crackerbox2:

actually it scans it just fine

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crackerbox2:

(after a little patch)

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crackerbox2:

but it doesn't do remaps...

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crackerbox2:

so this channel scanner plus a small patch to the source allows remaped channels

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justinh:

I have no idea what you're talking about but it sounds dodgy

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crackerbox2:

lets say my OTA HD channel is #55... but my cable line up lists the same analog channel as 7

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crackerbox2:

the remap will make it appear that I have to channel 7s in the epg

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justinh:

to?

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crackerbox2:

so i don't have to search all over the place for a HD version of one of my SD channels

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crackerbox2:

anyway I was just hoping someone with a little more SQL knowledge than I have was here

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justinh:

oh it's not that I don't know

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justinh:

it's more that I don't go recommending anybody directly mangle the db – for their own good

[09:40:53]

crackerbox2:

well I will be careful, i've already made a backup.

[09:41:29]

crackerbox2:

people have to be allowed to fail

[09:41:33]

crackerbox2:

not coddled

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justinh:

so just truncate dtv_multiplex, channel, dtv_privatetypes

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justinh:

that'll take em back to having nothing in them

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crackerbox2:

and that will get rid of all things channel and program guide related?

[09:42:34]

justinh:

nope

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justinh:

to get rid of programs you'd also need to do program

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justinh:

and possibly record – but bear in mind you'd lose your schedules too

[09:43:38]

crackerbox2:

will i need to reconfigure my switch?

[09:43:42]

crackerbox2:

there is nothing scheduled

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crackerbox2:

this is more of a dev unit

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justinh:

your switch?

[09:44:22]

crackerbox2:

cough

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crackerbox2:

yep

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justinh:

I bloody knew it!

[09:44:41]

** justinh feels dirty again **

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justinh:

I don't help people STEAL tv if I can help it

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crackerbox2:

i can rebuild the entire thing from source, trust me, no one needs to help

[09:45:49]

crackerbox2:

im just talking about sql related stuff

[09:46:12]

crackerbox2:

there is plenty of FTA related stuff one would use a switch fore

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Dibblah:

Uhuh. And if you'd reacted semi-normally to the question, you wouldn't have revealed yourself as a pirate. Yaaaaar.

[09:47:15]

crackerbox2:

w/e

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crackerbox2:

hear-say

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Gumby:

crackerbox2: something like this works...

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Gumby:

just a sec

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BenB:

laga: good morning! :)

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justinh:

I'm gonna start keeping a log of people who reveal themselves as pirates here.. oh wait. there's already a log & it's indexed by google :D

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crackerbox2:

mog

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crackerbox2:

i pay alot of money everymonth for TV

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crackerbox2:

im sure not stealing anything

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justinh:

bloody 'FTA' satellite. what a laugh

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crackerbox2:

All I want are HD locals

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Gumby:

crackerbox2: just ignore it

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crackerbox2:

freaking ethics squad

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justinh:

like saying Adobe products are 'freeware' (wink)

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Dibblah:

Eh? They are.

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Gumby:

crackerbox2: something like this. update channel set chanid +10000 where sourceid = 'whatever_your_source_id_is'

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justinh:

*all

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Dibblah:

I used to use Adobe PDF viewer all the time.

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Gumby:

they are, for atrial period

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mchou:

considering Adobe flash is worse than a virus, I'd say freeware is better quality

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Dibblah:

Now I use Document Viewer, however :)

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Gumby:

crackerbox2: or it might be channum.. I think its channum

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mchou:

oh, dont even get me started on the acrobat plugin. That too is a mip sucker

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crackerbox2:

yeah, here is similar context: update channel set channum = channum + 2000 where channum < 2000 AND sourceid in ('X');

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Gumby:

crackerbox2: if my sourceid for satellite is 1 then mysql> update channel set channum +10000 where sourceid = '1';

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Gumby:

crackerbox2: so whats the issue then?

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crackerbox2:

and that will remove all channels from the DB?

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Gumby:

no

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crackerbox2:

for that source?

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Gumby:

it will renumber them

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justinh:

oh nice. the Gods over at the other building have broken the ftp server in their software, so once you upload their (duff) software you can't update it without flashing it over JTAG. niiice

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crackerbox2:

oh... I dont want to renumber them.

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crackerbox2:

I want to totally get rid of them.

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Gumby:

then delete all channels related to that sourceid

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Gumby:

better yet, do as justin suggested and use the channel scanner to do it

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Gumby:

then see whats leftover and manually delete it

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BenB:

justinh: quite frankly, I really try to obey laws, but my willingness to pay TV keeps shrinking... I have a pay-tv subscription for $$ and I can't use it since one years, because this CI and CA and smartcard doesn't work (as I mentioned last night).

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mchou:

BenB: then subscribe to something like netflix

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crackerbox2:

I just don't understand why its not pulling the epg

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BenB:

justinh: and freetv is unbearable by now (mostly crap content, fairly bad technical quality, and advertizing *during* and over the content)

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mchou:

BenB: that's better than paying for TV

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Gumby:

crackerbox2: is this recent? Mine stopped last night at some point. But it could be due to a misconfiguration on my part too

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mchou:

BenB: not to mention cheaper too

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Gumby:

crackerbox2: 110?

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crackerbox2:

its better that way

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crackerbox2:

119 110 and 129

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BenB:

justinh: I have been sinking *so* much time in this, trying to get the CA to work, it's unbelievable. it's weeks – I implemented DVB support for MythTV in less time (!). totally insane.

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crackerbox2:

earlier it was getting what on "now" and "next"

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crackerbox2:

but I think my dtv_privatetypes is all messed up

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crackerbox2:

do you use mr gandolf's scanner?

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mchou:

BenB: yup, CA/CI on linux not so great

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crackerbox2:

makes me want to delete my entire database and start over

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mchou:

that is an option

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yunosh:

hi, is the only option to group channels the favorite-channels feature? or did i miss something?

[10:03:02]

mchou:

if it's a dev box you have nothing to be worried about

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mchou:

crackerbox2: just nuke the db and start over

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crackerbox2:

i wish i could figure out what was causing the issue though

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mchou:

crackerbox2: you didnt say what your issue was

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mchou:

crackerbox2: dont be expecting clairvoyance

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crackerbox2:

what is all this "Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(560) desired(196)"

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crackerbox2:

thats in my backend log

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crackerbox2:

everytime I change channels I get that crap showing up in the log

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mchou:

wrong PMT means you're looking at the wrong stream (in short, your DB channel assignments are messed up)

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crackerbox2:

ar

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crackerbox2:

alright

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crackerbox2:

i'm removing the DB

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crackerbox2:

if i remove the DB and then reinstall "mythtv-database_0.21.0+fixes18207–0ubuntu5~hardy1_all.deb" I should be good to go

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Gumby:

crackerbox2: no I dont use mrgandalfs scanner. I havnt had any reason to.

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Gumby:

crackerbox2: just drop the db and re-create it with the mc.sql file

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crackerbox2:

ok

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Gumby:

allthough, that error is a common one with dvb-s I believe

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crackerbox2:

i sort of remember that too

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Gumby:

hrm.. mythweb is showing no data yet my guide data is complete

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Gumby:

I think my db might still be pointing it to my old mysql server

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thefRont:

hello everyone

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thefRont:

I have a question about postprocessing a recording

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thefRont:

is it possible to split a recording into two parts. for example, I have recorded 2 sequential shows on the same channel and put them in one recording

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thefRont:

now I want to split them up to have two seperate recordings with one show each

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thefRont:

is there a practical way of doing this?

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yunosh:

is the only option to group channels the favorite-channels feature? or did i miss something?

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justinh:

heh. some people take things far too literally

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justinh:

and I need a brain transplant. I don't know what the hell I'm doing in this code

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BenB:

justinh: what did somebody take literally?

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aBs0lut30:

got my audio issue fixed with a firmware update to the hdpvr's :D do still have one audio issue and I am going to guess its a problem with how I have things configured, if I play a file(mythvideo) with DTS or DD5.1 I only get the rear channels of audio, and if i turn on AC3 and DTS passthrough all I get is a loud fast popping noise, and I know my Yamaha Home theater rec supports the audio cause it worked in windows, so is

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shadash_away:

#nick shadash

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shadash_away:

!nick shadash

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shadash_away:

ugh

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justinh:

slash

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justinh:

/

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shadash_away:

thanks

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aBs0lut30:

justinh: is there any trick to getting AC3 and DTS passthrough woring??

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shadash:

check this out... http://www.slashgear.com/zotac-geforce-8200-i . . . ard-0825555/

[14:18:49]

shadash:

it's a mini-itx board that can to VDPAU‎

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shadash:

on board

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yunosh:

sweet

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shadash:

finally hardware is starting to catch up with software

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justinh:

no HDMI :-\

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directhex:

justinh, supplied dvi-hdmi dongle!

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justinh:

no audio over HDMI, I suspect

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directhex:

justinh, nvidia vendors have poor takeup of hdmi-as-standard

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shadash:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . C-_-13500020

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shadash:

onboard 6 channel audio

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directhex:

shadash, no digital audio

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justinh:

shadash: who the hell wants ANALOGUE audio?

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shadash:

:-(

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shadash:

there is a ePCI slot

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directhex:

a what?

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justinh:

EPIC!

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justinh:

as in 'epic fail'

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shadash:

hey I haven't looked at hardware in a couple of years give me a break

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jamiem:

PCI-e fail

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aBs0lut30:

is there any way to do a search on the dev list??

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shadash:

Here's another neat little hmm... I've figured out how to backup to tape and restore to a vmware image.

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mag0o:

google gossamer mythtv

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justinh:

I'm gonna have to give up on this idea soon if I don't crack it

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shadash:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/

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shadash:

that's how you can search dev list

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aBs0lut30:

ahh cool :D

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Dibblah:

justinh: Since you work in the field, I think you might appreciate the handiwork in http://elm-chan.org/works/cube/ph3l.jpeg

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Dibblah:

It's: http://elm-chan.org/works/cube/report.html

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Dibblah:

Now feel free to complain about "difficult to rework" :)

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

someone is fond of a treat!

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kkuno:

catalyst 9.1 out

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laga:

kkuno: got an url to the changelog?

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kkuno:

sure

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kkuno:

https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.a . . . 91_linux.pdf

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laga:

thanks

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aBs0lut30:

anybody here good with mySql, got a strange thing going on, I setup a trigger on the videometadata table to update the rating on files in a certin directory, well when the insert fires i end up with two records for each file it adds to the table...

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aBs0lut30:

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gbee:

make distclean

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aBs0lut30:

gbee: nope, same thing

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meshe:

my recordings are from a pvr-350 and in mpeg2 format, i want to strip commercials and transcode to mp4 for my iphone. Is there something that will honor the cut list and transcode to mp4? if not, can I use mythtranscode --mpeg2 and get a lossless removal of the commercials and then transcode to mp4?

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justinh:

didn't you know that watching commercials has actually been measured to _increase_ viewing pleasure? somebody said so on the -users list

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meshe:

lol

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aBs0lut30:

LMFAO

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meshe:

it also increases the space used on my iphone and wastes my time :)

[16:29:18]

justinh:

heheh

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justinh:

nuvexport ;)

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meshe:

thanks, I'll check it out

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meshe:

if I had unlimited usage on my iphone i'd just stream, but i only get 6GB/mo

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iamlindoro_:

So reading the scrollack, how in gods name did two people openly discussing forbidden topics, even after being warned, not result in a ban for both? This channel needs *teeth*

[16:38:02]

justinh:

muhhh FTA FTA

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meshe:

banned topic?

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justinh:

meshe: 'special patches' & 'FTA' in the same sentence

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iamlindoro_:

pass the banhammer to me if nobody else will do it

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justinh:

I had ops once, but you don't want somebody like me doing it

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iamlindoro_:

one week ban on first mention, permanent on second, we'll have that little problem licked good, right quick

[16:40:14]

iamlindoro_:

"crackerbox2: freaking ethics squad"

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iamlindoro_:

That would have done it for me

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justinh:

it's funny how wide the problem is too,once people mention others' names in here

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Yes, interesting to note who is off writing "FTA" custom scanners, no?

[16:42:08]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: Although TBH I discovered that several of the sass kenji Myth patches are by him a few months ago

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iamlindoro_:

sheds light on wanting certain features backported to keep precious precious stealy patches working

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justinh:

gah I suck at coding

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sphery:

anyone know how to get the Ubuntu mythtv debug package to respond to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6194#comment:2 (ideally to the list/BCC'ed to the reporter)?

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: There's a debug repos

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iamlindoro_:

and they end in -dbg IIRC

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iamlindoro_:

hang on

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pantenorek:

Hi, where can I find all the program categories names used by mythtv?

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: thx

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justinh:

xmltv defines the categories

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callerten:

I am trying to set up lirc to control my STB (IPN330HD) but none of the confs I have found work. I guess my next step would be to get an ir receiver and capture the remote?

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: So what'll this patch do?

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: so you're not replying?

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justinh:

callerten: how do you know the ir blaster works? ;)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Ah, I can

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callerten:

justinh, not sure what you mean? it send IR light to the STB that tell it what to do... is this what you mean?

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: oh, mostly just let you have a different height in a 'selected' buttonlist item

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justinh:

callerten: yes. how do you know that is working?

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callerten:

oh, I used a digital camera and look at the LCD on it

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justinh:

callerten: ah ok :) that's good

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: Either way... just didn't want both of us to reply. Benefit of your replying is you actually know something about how it works. :)

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callerten:

Yeah, up until doing that I wasn't sure if it was the conf or not :)

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Ah, neat!

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: I really need it for my new vision to take hold

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Halfway done

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: big thanks, then

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: will also allow effects like in Terra but with transparent button images :)

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justinh:

I've made 'some' progress :P

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iamlindoro_:

heh, sounds like my progress this week

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justinh:

I might leave calcvisibleitems til later

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iamlindoro_:

can't tell if I'm making my current work better or just more confusing

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callerten:

I kind of wonder if digital image tech progressed if you couldn't build an app to "learn" a remote by digital camera

[16:50:02]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: I may have to reply to your reply saying how useful it would be to get MythTV-specific instructions for Ubuntu and FC debugging in the MythTV wiki...

[16:50:34]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Go to town

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justinh:

right now it's just a loop which increments m_rows while the y pos is less than the container height minus itemheight. I need to take into account m_selectedHeight too but it just keeps breaking on me leaving one item

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justinh:

need to draw this & apply my brain properly

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callerten:

so the other thing was I have the pvr-350 which has an IR receiver for its remote, could I use this to learn or would it be better to get a USB-UIRT?

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justinh:

callerten: you can try to use irrecord with the pvr350 ir receiver

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justinh:

costs nothing but time to try it :)

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callerten:

true, I will give it a shot then, thanks

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pantenorek:

justinh: ok, if I get it right, there is no predefined set of categories then.

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pantenorek:

At list this is what I understand from xmltv.dtd http://xmltv.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/x . . . tv/xmltv.dtd

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: Did you catch that the file browser SIGNAL(haveResult(QString)) no longer works, BTW? Looks like you're not using haveResult any more but MythVideo is still using the old way

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justinh:

damn I've forgotten how to output a variable in a VERBOSE

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iamlindoro_:

%1 .arg(variable)

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iamlindoro_:

ie QString("Some swear word like %1").arg(poopVariable);

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justinh:

cheez :)

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justinh:

this hack is gonna keep me out of trouble for quite some time

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aBs0lut30:

should I open a ticket on my compile issue? for the life of me I cant figure out how to get past it, and i'm not much with c++ :)

[17:02:56]

justinh:

what?

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justinh:

m_selectedHeight=6553632

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justinh:

lol

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ivor:

aBs0lut30: trunk builds, so you have a problem at your end.

[17:04:33]

iamlindoro_:

yep, builds here too

[17:05:13]

justinh:

hmm maybe I've misunderstood a few things

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aBs0lut30:

humm, strange cause it built fine a day or so ago, but 19871 just wont work for me... guess let me check out again and try it again...

[17:05:46]

ivor:

justinh: I find that hard to believe of a man of your breadth and depth of knowledge.

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iamlindoro_:

That revision is the newest, and builds fine here

[17:06:08]

ivor:

aBs0lut30: pastebin your build error if you like, might give some pointers.

[17:06:25]

justinh:

ivor: I'm very much out of practise

[17:06:43]

aBs0lut30:

http://pastebin.com/m22ecd692

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iamlindoro_:

aBs0lut30: are you applying any patches?

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justinh:

breadth of knowledge... probably way more than it should be. depth.. oops. wafer thin. jack of all trades, master of bugger all

[17:07:23]

aBs0lut30:

nope, straight trunk source

[17:07:36]

ivor:

does svn status show any conflicts or modifications?

[17:08:31]

justinh:

make distclean ?

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aBs0lut30:

hah, well it did show adds and updates, but i dont remember exactly the ones, and its long gone out of scroll back...

[17:08:45]

ivor:

that's mythplugins... have you definitely installed the mythtv build at that version before building plugins?

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aBs0lut30:

justinh: i did, but am doing it again just to make sure..

[17:09:03]

aBs0lut30:

yup

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justinh:

time for ome

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iamlindoro_:

this *has* to be unclean source

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aBs0lut30:

worst case I will delete my trunk and checkout everthing again i guess :)

[17:10:11]

ivor:

or multiple mythtv header files kicking about.

[17:11:01]

aBs0lut30:

who knew watching tv could take so much time and effort ;)

[17:11:19]

iamlindoro_:

If you anted to watch TV you wouldn't be running trunk

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iamlindoro_:

s/anted/wanted/

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aBs0lut30:

lol, true, sure havent been doing much of that lately :)

[17:11:44]

iamlindoro_:

especially if you want to avoid time and effort

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aBs0lut30:

but I will say this, when it works it works well :D

[17:12:55]

aBs0lut30:

well, the time and effort thing was a joke, I have NO problem at all spending time getting this to work cause I want my damn HD... and microsoft doesnt seem to want me to have it

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callerten:

I will probably never own an HD tv because of the anti-consumer practices :/

[17:14:14]

aBs0lut30:

well by that logic you should ride a bike and live in a cave as well...

[17:14:21]

callerten:

Thinking about it :)

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ivor:

aBs0lut30: check the date/time on /usr/include/mythtv/libmythui/mythdialogbox.h

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aBs0lut30:

lol :D

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ivor:

aBs0lut30: and that it's the same as the one in mythtv/libs/libmythui

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aBs0lut30:

ivor: they are...

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aBs0lut30:

both with todays date about an hour and a half ago

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aBs0lut30:

am rebuilding again, so if this doesnt work I will dump my copy of trunk and get a fresh one, if its working for everybody els something has got to be fubared on my copy...

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GreyFoxx:

hahahahahaha now they want the ffmpegsync in with vdpau, hdvprand other backports

[17:19:22]

GreyFoxx:

I love it

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Heh, yeah, I saw that

[17:20:19]

iamlindoro_:

but remember, it's not a fork until it's n+1 patches applied, where n = the current number of patches they have applied ;)

[17:20:25]

gbee:

next they'll want the UI and before they know it, they'll be running trunk

[17:20:55]

GreyFoxx:

Has anyone backported Terra to work on -fixes yet?

[17:20:57]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

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iamlindoro_:

Hey guys, I'm running mythtv-jyavenard-hdpvr-vdpau-ffmpegplus-.21-fixes-l0l-xViD.torrent, where can I get some help

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iamlindoro_:

?

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GreyFoxx:

mythtv XTREME

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GreyFoxx:

0.21-BLinGEDoUT

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** GreyFoxx is a player hater **

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ivor:

a what?

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=player+hater

[17:24:28]

GreyFoxx:

I was kidding that I was jealous of them for being so cool :)

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wagnerrp:

my package is not listed as being on the UPS truck...

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wagnerrp:

well the ffmpeg sync should at least not break the upgrade path...

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Stop drinking the Haterade

[17:25:48]

ivor:

GreyFoxx: ah, that's too cool and down with the kidz for me to get....

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jpabq:

France has gone on strike to protest the economy. That's brilliant!

[17:27:06]

ivor:

awesome. actually to protest against the global economic crisis I believe.

[17:27:13]

wagnerrp:

our economy sucks, lets stop working?

[17:27:23]

ivor:

I also rather like the protesters, protesting about the strike. :)

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ivor:

and the anarchist organisation joining in and showing solidarity. rather good that one.

[17:28:23]

aBs0lut30:

damn its brisk outside today :)

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** iamlindoro_ wonders how making a trunk patch apply to fixes is "updating the patch" **

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iamlindoro_:

and then submitting it without testing...

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wagnerrp:

ticket #6190... that will certainly come in handy

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iamlindoro_:

I'm going to write some random patch that sounds really appealing and say "I haven't tested this at all, YMMV!" and slip a line in rm'ing the drive

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aBs0lut30:

LOL

[17:30:51]

aBs0lut30:

send it over, I'll run it

[17:31:13]

wagnerrp:

a patch that deletes your hard drive? and you want to run it?

[17:31:38]

aBs0lut30:

sure, having data's over rated anyway ;)

[17:32:20]

mag0o:

haha

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mag0o:

dd if=/dev/zero of=SG

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wagnerrp:

what? youre going to zero out the stargate?

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aBs0lut30:

LOL

[17:33:52]

aBs0lut30:

tell them its a patch that fixes any storage space issues they are having :)

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mag0o:

lol

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aBs0lut30:

yup, it reduces the size of all recordings (and everything else) by 100%, who wouldnt want that?

[17:37:32]

iamlindoro_:

"Scientists at the MythTV center for TV research speculate that in lab conditions, compression rates of up to 100% may be attainable"

[17:38:01]

aBs0lut30:

LMFAO, yup, sign me up :D its all "virtual" storage anyway right?

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aBs0lut30:

just dont move the video cable while its running or you may knock the bits out of order...

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iamlindoro_:

"In an interesting twist, it was found that those who benefited most from the patch were users of VIA processors, ATI video cards, and Pentium III systems. Note: Isseg Morgendbrooks, a Myth developer, snorted and said 'we'll never let those stupid bastards running .21-fixes play with this! I dare you to backport it!'"

[17:40:02]

joe2371:

Hi. Do plugins generally need to be installed on both FE and BE machines?

[17:40:09]

ivor:

iamlindoro_: now you're being mean.

[17:40:43]

aBs0lut30:

SOB! still getting the error on editmetadata :( this is gonna drive me nuts

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ivor:

aBs0lut30: just do it step by step. clean your install. use svn status to double check your sources have no diffs or crufty files lying about. rebuild and install mythtv and then plugins.

[17:44:05]

aBs0lut30:

well i just killed my trunk folder and am getting a 100% fresh copy... so we will see what happenes from here...

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ivor:

aBs0lut30: your error implied that your mythdialogbox.h didn't contain the class MythUIFileBrowser

[17:45:11]

ivor:

ah. oh well that's a start. unless you have old header files lying around installed somewhere in which case a clean rebuild wont fix it

[17:46:29]

ivor:

probably worth rm-ing /usr/include/mythtv and /usr/lib/mythtv

[17:51:19]

ivor:

justinh: am I misremembering... or did you play with cctv cards at work?

[17:52:05]

ivor:

oh he's gone home. forgot it was after 4 in the afternoon. slacker.

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aBs0lut30:

ohhh, for it to be that late in the day here so I could go home too :(

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_b:

hi

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Josh_Borke:

_b: hi

[18:19:27]

_b:

got a question on network based (nfs root) mythfrontend on centos 5.2... anyone familiar with that setup?

[18:19:35]

aBs0lut30:

ivor: ok, i dont get this, i killed thoes twho folders, rebuilt from a 100% clean copy of svn and am STILL getting that compile error

[18:19:44]

clever:

_b: i run most of my ubuntu systems that way

[18:22:00]

_b:

I was trying to use the RH system-config-netboot util for auto setting up the boot images, but it isn't working quite right... You know how to create the init image by hand?

[18:23:22]

_b:

I guess this is less a myth question, now that I think about it...

[18:23:40]

clever:

i used debootstrap to make the initial root image

[18:23:54]

clever:

and later scripted everything so i could make a fully booting image with 1 command

[18:24:38]

clever:

you could just do a normal install and then share that / from an existing system

[18:25:17]

gbee:

aBs0lut30: you've built and installed current trunk before building the plugins?

[18:25:48]

gbee:

mythtv must be installed before you build the plugins

[18:25:54]

aBs0lut30:

yup, rm'ed include/mythtv lib/mythtv got a 100% clean and fresh copy of trunk and build and installed that

[18:26:36]

_b:

I have a dir with a full install in it... shared it out... but didn't quite work... I'll check out debootstrap... thanks

[18:27:09]

** aBs0lut30 bangs head on desk and mutters WHY!!!! **

[18:27:55]

aBs0lut30:

i just dont get it, cause the mythdialogbox.h in include/mythtv is the correct copy from trunk... it just doesnt want to work

[18:28:26]

gbee:

aBs0lut30: can you pastebin the complete error?

[18:28:51]

aBs0lut30:

http://pastebin.com/m22ecd692

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gbee:

locate mythdialogbox.h

[18:34:53]

aBs0lut30:

http://pastebin.com/m6f9e67e8

[18:35:33]

iamlindoro_:

so you installed over some other install of myth and it's picking up the wrong libs

[18:36:12]

iamlindoro_:

(you have two copies, one with prefix /usr and one with /usr/include)

[18:36:33]

iamlindoro_:

need to clear it *all* out, then do the install of mythtv again, then try the plugins again

[18:37:04]

iamlindoro_:

likewise with /usr/lib/libmyth* and /usr/local/lib/libmyth*

[18:37:28]

iamlindoro_:

and /usr/lib/mythtv/* and usr/local/lib/mythtv/*

[18:38:45]

iamlindoro_:

and sorry, type, when I said "(you have two copies, one with prefix /usr and one with /usr/include)" I meant "(you have two copies, one with prefix /usr and one with /usr/local)"

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iamlindoro_:

s/type/typo/

[18:39:04]

aBs0lut30:

SOB, ok so I can try to understand this, why was it looking at the copy in /usr/local when I had the --prefix=/usr on the config??

[18:39:47]

iamlindoro_:

prefix is the install prefix, includes and their order are all done in the makefiles

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aBs0lut30:

ahhhh

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iamlindoro_:

But it's not the build processes fault, it's yours for installing one copy over another

[18:40:34]

aBs0lut30:

well, you live you learn something new everyday...

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aBs0lut30:

sorry for all the trouble...

[18:42:06]

aBs0lut30:

and thanks for all the help

[18:42:16]

iamlindoro_:

np

[18:43:04]

aBs0lut30:

need to make the time to script the rebuild for all of this so i dont finger check things and dont run into stupid problems like that again :-/

[18:43:12]

aBs0lut30:

need = I need :D

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aBs0lut30:

so, now if I can just figure out this sound thing I will be in good shape for a while :)

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justinh:

ivor: not cctv cards as such, no

[19:12:21]

justinh:

DVRs

[19:13:25]

justinh:

dedicated CCTV hardware. No PCs are involved. Well I _wish_ .. I mean the products aren't PC-based

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

[19:15:29]

mattwj2002:

:D

[19:15:52]

mattwj2002:

I'll tell you the best thing I ever did was reinstall mythbuntu

[19:15:58]

mattwj2002:

I got my web interface back

[19:15:59]

mattwj2002:

:)

[19:16:14]

justinh:

not gonna look at my code hacks til I've eaten. I really want to know how my get height code has landed me with 65536 or whatever it was

[19:16:28]

justinh:

mattwj2002: awww you didn't have to reinstall to do that

[19:16:59]

mattwj2002:

I tried to troubleshoot it with no luck

[19:17:18]

iamlindoro_:

amazing how often the nuclear option is invoked

[19:17:19]

mattwj2002:

it is no big deal.....I didn't lose anything....I resized my drive

[19:17:37]

iamlindoro_:

Keep these people away from high political office

[19:17:45]

justinh:

well, I guess that's ok then. I'm reinstalling my backend this weekend because its rootfs is borked & I CBA to fix it

[19:17:46]

mattwj2002:

lol

[19:17:47]

iamlindoro_:

(But I'm sure the trains will run on time)

[19:18:17]

** mattwj2002 nukes iamlindoro_ **

[19:18:17]

justinh:

ooo payday tomorrow, so maybe I'll finally order a cheap-ass UPS

[19:20:03]

dustybin:

APC FTW

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justinh:

mmyers

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mattwj2002:

by the way....

[19:22:19]

mattwj2002:

the asx streaming option is really cool

[19:22:31]

mattwj2002:

I am watching bewitched as it is recording

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dustybin:

justinh: i have one of these

[19:22:47]

dustybin:

http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_ . . . sku=BE700-UK

[19:23:02]

dustybin:

works nice with linux, my server shutdowns before it goes cold

[19:23:08]

justinh:

arghhh. who let cawol fatcher on telly?!

[19:23:11]

dustybin:

lasts about 30min +

[19:26:46]

dustybin:

Piers Morgan on... ITV 9:00PM

[19:26:58]

jduggan:

twit

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jduggan:

:\

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mattwj2002:

this might be more of a mythbuntu question but I'll ask it here

[19:32:04]

mattwj2002:

anyone know how to interface totem with mythtv?

[19:32:16]

clever:

define 'interface'

[19:32:39]

** gbee shudders ... totem **

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mattwj2002:

do this

[19:32:49]

mattwj2002:

http://www.mythbuntu.com/node/129

[19:33:26]

gbee:

probably using upnp

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clever:

from the refresh button, im guessing its probly upnp related

[19:34:34]

gbee:

http://www.mythbuntu.com/image/tid/9

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mattwj2002:

oh

[19:35:26]

mattwj2002:

so I need to use gconf-editor to set this up?

[19:35:33]

mattwj2002:

http://www.mythbuntu.com/node/130

[19:37:20]

mattwj2002:

hmmm

[19:37:27]

mattwj2002:

I don't see that option for a plugin

[19:37:32]

mattwj2002:

let me try to google it

[19:38:01]

clever:

probly need to apt-get install something

[19:38:56]

dustybin:

dpkg --purge clever

[19:39:07]

clever:

totem-plugins-extra: /usr/lib/totem/plugins/mythtv/mythtv.totem-plugin

[19:39:23]

clever:

it looks like its proly in the totem-plugins-extra package

[19:39:35]

mattwj2002:

nice

[19:39:36]

mattwj2002:

:D

[19:39:48]

Dagmar:

What in god's name could that plugin possibly be doing

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clever:

all i did was 'apt-cache search totem|grep plugin' then 'apt-file show totem-plugins-extra'

[19:40:17]

clever:

Dagmar: apt-get source totem-plugins-extra, and find out! :P

[19:40:41]

Dagmar:

clever: How about a big fat "no" on that one

[19:40:58]

Dagmar:

For one, I see that they might be storing the password in plaintext. That's a nono

[19:41:01]

clever:

there is mention of the database adr,name,name,pw in gconf, so i suspect its acting like a frontend

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Dagmar:

For the other, I'll probably be asked to build that one

[19:41:45]

Dagmar:

There's this whole complex gnome-keyring thing that's where the password & credentials should be going

[19:41:57]

** jamiem uses djmount **

[19:42:05]

clever:

and doesnt mythtv itself store it in plain text config.xml?

[19:42:40]

Dagmar:

On a machine that's running the frontend, sure

[19:43:08]

Dagmar:

...but it doesn't have a big pile of stuff devoted to storing passwords securely, either.

[19:43:21]

clever:

and all my frontends are network booting, so the pw is sent over the lan in clear text(in nfs)

[19:43:40]

clever:

and isnt the automatic upnp configuration meant to give frontends the name/pw they need?

[19:44:01]

Dagmar:

clever: Have you never heard of the worms that are out there that just scrape an XP machine's registry for serial numbers?

[19:44:21]

clever:

nope, but it doesnt seem too complex

[19:44:22]

Dagmar:

Tehre's a reason we don't store passwords in cleartext using gconf

[19:44:40]

Dagmar:

...because it gives naughty people a one-stop-shopping target to hit.

[19:44:43]

gbee:

Dagmar: just appears to provides a upnp/http interface to access mythtv recordings with screenshots

[19:44:53]

clever:

and as ive seen mentioned on the gaim/pidgin site

[19:44:57]

Dagmar:

gbee: Yeah that's fine actually

[19:45:02]

clever:

encrypting passwords and still auto using them is useless

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clever:

if the program can decrypt on its own, then so can the 'hacker'

[19:45:40]

Dagmar:

clever: Not everyone leaves the auth session valid for their entire login session

[19:45:41]

clever:

gnome-keyring and firefox both need a 'master password' to unlock, which is about the only safe way to do it

[19:46:05]

clever:

yeah

[19:46:08]

Dagmar:

Yes, i'm pretty sure I already mentioned gnome-keyring.

[19:52:17]

wagnerrp:

seems my video card may or may not currently be on a truck, and may or may not be delivered today or tomorrow

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wagnerrp:

i should have just made a run up to microcenter

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justinh:

gbee: could you take a peek at http://pastebin.ca/1322062 please? trying to get the height of the selected button but I think I might be on the wrong track

[19:59:52]

justinh:

prolly one of my infamous schoolboy errors

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sphery:

trying to decide whether to tell KungFuJesus he just needs to apply http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19245 to his -fixes checkout if he ever comes to the right channel

[20:01:32]

sphery:

now that's a no

[20:01:37]

Dibblah:

Heh.

[20:02:00]

Dibblah:

Be careful – This channel is logged. We need to pretend to have been talking about something else when he joins.

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iamlindoro_:

so no "SHHHHH! He's here!"

[20:03:05]

KungFuJesus:

Is tehre ABI breakage if I use kernel .28 on the 19046 SVN branch?

[20:04:14]

Dibblah:

Which branch?

[20:04:27]

KungFuJesus:

19046

[20:04:34]

justinh:

that's a revision number not branch

[20:04:45]

KungFuJesus:

hold on

[20:05:22]

Dibblah:

If you mean trunk, then definitely no – I'm on .28 and it's fine.

[20:06:37]

Dibblah:

However, if you update your headers for DVB API v5, then you need to account for that in Myth. There is a patch on Trac.

[20:06:37]

KungFuJesus:

yeah, I think I pulled from the trunk

[20:06:58]

justinh:

yes but WHEN ?

[20:07:03]

KungFuJesus:

two days ago

[20:07:07]

sphery:

KungFuJesus: mythfrontend --version (or mythbackend --version) will tell you the branch

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Dibblah:

justinh: You appear to be coding rather than theming. Is that allowed? ;)

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justinh:

Dibblah: it's coding so I can theme better

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kormoc:

That's dedication

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justinh:

removing another slight restriction :)

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justinh:

only my own ignorance can get in my way :D

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Dibblah:

Like a laxative for theme designers?

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KungFuJesus:

I'm using the release-0-21-fixes branch

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justinh:

so that's not trunk

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Dibblah:

They'll all come pouring out after you've fixed it all up, to extend the euphamism?

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sphery:

KungFuJesus: you just need to apply the patch that's in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19245 .

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justinh:

Dibblah: I'm only planning to do a few little things, but they'll make a big difference to 'concept'

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KungFuJesus:

excuse me gentlemen, I have an ebuild maintainer to contact

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justinh:

I just need to figure out why the code in the pastebin isnt getting the height of the 'selected' statetype.. or rather it's getting it _wrong_ – on the main menu my debug outputs '0' for m_selectedHeight but the next menu screen makes it output some weirdly high number so fecknows where it's coming from

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justinh:

ahhh. I theenk I might be getting the area of the wrong thing

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KungFuJesus:

Dibblah: a while back when I compiled this using one of the newer GCC's (4.3.1 I think) I would receive stuttering issues with the frontend, it would disappear with an older GCC. Are there now any reported problems using the 4.3.x compilers?

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Dibblah:

m_contentsRect = CalculateContentsRect(arrowsRect);

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Dibblah:

Whups. Sorry.

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Dibblah:

Just looking through code. Ignore.

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justinh:

whut?

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justinh:

heh. I think I'm on the right line somehow but my OO-fu is weeeeeak

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MrGandalf:

any scheduler gurus here?

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Dibblah:

KungFuJesus: If you're using Gentoo, all bets are off.

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Dibblah:

In my experience.

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Dibblah:

At least historically, their GCC significantly differed from the 'released' versions. And not in a good way.

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KungFuJesus:

Dibblah: strange, what would make that compiler have so differently? User submitted packages or the build process itself?

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Dibblah:

Patches applied in the ebuild.

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KungFuJesus:

errr user submitted packages

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KungFuJesus:

sorry that's what I meant to type, it's been a long day

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KungFuJesus:

Maybe it's right for me to do a bug report on Gentoo's bugzilla then to investigate the sometimes strange compiler behavior I get with ~ versions of GCC

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KungFuJesus:

4.3.3 is in the process of being built with the ~x86 keyword at the moment

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clever:

id think if your using gentoo and broke an ABI, just recompile all affected things

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KungFuJesus:

clever: that's basically what you have to do

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KungFuJesus:

clever: however, I'm referring to strange behavior from the frontend itself when compiling with a newer compiler

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KungFuJesus:

I rebuilt ffmpeg and pretty much every library under it with gcc 4.3.1 so it couldn't have been an ABI incompatibility

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Dagmar:

No, but it could easily be the general purpose rule of "New versions of GCC tend to break C++ code"

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KungFuJesus:

hell I remember when I fixed the problem by using gcc-config. To make sure it was the compiler I built everythign with 4.3.1 with emerge -eavDN world && system

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Dagmar:

Yet this will not help changes to the way GCC interprets C++ code

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: that's what I would think too, but apparently Dibblah says it's more to do with gentoo's version of gcc 4.3.1 compiler

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Dagmar:

That's possible as well

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KungFuJesus:

hmmm, I suppose it depends on the patches too

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KungFuJesus:

I've seen some software break with newer GCC's, though

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Dagmar:

"though"?

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KungFuJesus:

they'll compile but they won't work correctly. Example: gtkpod

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Dagmar:

I'm used to minor releases of GCC making about 10% of the C++ packages I deal with break outright

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KungFuJesus:

Yeah, but that makes me worry because you see

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KungFuJesus:

binary distros like Arch build everything with the absolute latest GCC, bleeding edge

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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clever:

did you do a make bootstrap to verify its working?

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Dagmar:

Most of the time bleeding is something you staunch, not encourage.

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: tell that to Arch maintainers

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KungFuJesus:

At least with Gentoo I feel better when it's my own stupid fault and I just chalk it up to the testing process, I file a bug report and be done with it

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Dagmar:

Arch is not a general-purpose distro.

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: since when?

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Dagmar:

They can do bleeding edge stuff, and submit bug reports upstream.

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Dagmar:

Since pretty much day one

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KungFuJesus:

hmm, it claims to be a simple and lightweight distro, though

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Dagmar:

Yes, but it's not the sort of thing you'd ever run if you wanted stuff to "just work"

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KungFuJesus:

nothing on their page to indicate experimental

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Dagmar:

It's because, much like Gentoo, you're expected to know certain things.

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: why wouldn't I? Freebsd is considered simple and lightweight and I use it in production all the time

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Dagmar:

You know, how with Ubuntu you're expected to know how to click on candy-coated icons

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Dagmar:

...and with Debian you're generally expected to know how to type 'apt-get'... etc etc

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: there's a difference between expecting things to work and expecting things to be user friendly

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Dagmar:

Freebsd doesn't use the latest versions of everything.

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: since when does a lack of a good user interface indicate that something shouldn't work?

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Dagmar:

I never said that.

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Dagmar:

Jeez

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KungFuJesus:

well I don't get why you're saying Arch is a Gentoo

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Dagmar:

Because you're reading some other conversation I'm not a part of

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KungFuJesus:

Gentoo I understand, yes, that's why I use it, for the sake of understanding the problem rather than being frustrated

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Dagmar:

The problem is this:

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Dagmar:

Each new minor rev to GCC changes the way it interprets parts of C++. Sometimes they're more strict, sometimes they're bugfixes.

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Dagmar:

Over the whole, the result is that new versions of GCC pretty much *always* break some C++ code that was "perfectly valid" before.

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Dagmar:

It's something on the order of six months later that we see patches for some things, like Asterix

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KungFuJesus:

yet newer gcc's never seem to break C, are they done optimizing the machinecode produced by the c compiler or is C just that low level that it can't really undergo too many compiler optimizations?

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Dagmar:

The end result is that while distros like Arch might be good for people who are familiar with this, and who know how to find patches and so forth, it doesn't make it useful as a "general purpose" distro where things are generally exected to be more thoroughly vetted.

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Dagmar:

C++.

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Dagmar:

Not "C".

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Dagmar:

And it's got nothing to do with "omgoptimzation"

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Dagmar:

Gcc flat out changes the way it interprets C++ code.

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Dagmar:

It's nothing as serious as deciding that in operator precedence, division suddenly needs to happen before addition or something, but it's stuff like that

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KungFuJesus:

yes, but you would figure that's done for the sake of optimization, why else would you change what it translates to in machine language?

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Dagmar:

Because what it does doesn't properly or as strictly as it could adhere to the *specification* of what C++ is supposed to do

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Dagmar:

C++ is not defined by what GCC can turn into machine code

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Dagmar:

There's sepcifications and white papers and all sorts of really boring formal descriptions of what C++ is supposed to do

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KungFuJesus:

I guess what I'm wondering is if I take an object in mythtv, run g++ -S on it, and then run g++ -S with a newer version of gcc, and run a diff, how different is it going to be?

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Dagmar:

That depends on if someone was doing something in their source that was questionable with respect to proper C++ code

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Dagmar:

Like, lemme give you a hopefully at least slightly useful example in C

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KungFuJesus:

so you're saying that the code is written around gnuisms that GCC is trying to break out of?

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Dagmar:

You know how the curly braces for an if-then-else in C are optional, right?

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KungFuJesus:

I read a presentation by a sun developer trying to make mythtv work with Sun Studio, he had a terrible time

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Dagmar:

So long as there's only one command for each branch...

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clever:

if (condition)function(); == if (condition){function();}

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: yes

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Dagmar:

Now let's say that some bright guy one day noticed that if they're optional, it makes parsing some code nearby completely impossible to do

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KungFuJesus:

so basically he writes a hack to fix the problem?

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Dagmar:

...so they would go to the rest of the people who have written all the whitepapers and so forth and say "I've found something we didn't realize would cause a problem, curly braces need to be added" and they'd all pore over it and at some point if he was right the C standard would have a bit added to it that would require curly braces there all the time

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Dagmar:

No, there's geniune ambiguities they're still sliminating from C++

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KungFuJesus:

ahh I see, so C++'s lack of standardization is the problem at hand here

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Dagmar:

Like, stuff that looked okay at the time but turns out to have been impossible to properly handle without a compiler being psychic

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Dagmar:

No, it's not a lack of standardization, it's a matter of things are still being found here and there that have to be more clearly defined

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clever:

id think it would just match if(*)*;

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Dagmar:

\....which means that code that was doing something that wasn't expressly forbidden or defined as bad syntax before suddenly breaks

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clever:

and then consider {} as a command;

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KungFuJesus:

gah, and they say it's good to develop in C++ for the sake objects, nobody ever brings up the portability of a C++ app though

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Dagmar:

Portability isn't really the problem

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clever:

seperate {}'s from while/if/for and just make them act as a single 'command'

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Dagmar:

...although probably 3/4 of the time I see someone doing OO code they're just doing it for the wrong reasons.

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Dagmar:

Like someone using the MySQL API to store three phone numbers.

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Dagmar:

Just three.

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: but you're speaking about parsing issues with the compiler, certainly we're talking about things breaking more often than not for other reasons than that

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Dagmar:

Of course they do, which is why when you go from GCC 4.2.3 to say 4.3.1, there's a chance yer C++ is going to start doing weird stuff, if it still compiles

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Dagmar:

Festival tends to take a LONG time to catch up to changes

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KungFuJesus:

for example, GCC likes to have GNUisms, where GCC behaves so differently compared to other C compilers

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KungFuJesus:

the -fwritable-strings flag which was once allowed was used by legacy doom

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Dagmar:

Yeah at some point some bright person figured out some cases where allowing that could/would lead to corruption of memory or something like that

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KungFuJesus:

now gcc doesn't allow it, it broke away from allowing that sort of thing. Even the flag to replace it (I can't remember what they changed it to) doesn't work the way the developers would want it to. Sadly the project itself is dead

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KungFuJesus:

however...icc has not a single problem with their "legacy" legacy doom code :-p

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Dagmar:

That's Intel

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KungFuJesus:

icc is very generous about accepting flags, even if it doesn't know what one means

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Dagmar:

Languages can change over time. With C++, it's more like "will" than "can"

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KungFuJesus:

but it works perfectly when run through icc. Now C has been standardized for a pretty long time, c99 being the latest standardized version. Either these developers were careless and did a lot of crazy things for the sake of optimization that were violating many compilers, or GCC added gnuisms that make it unable to compiler sane code

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Dagmar:

Even Perl has had some serioua changes over the years

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Dagmar:

...like, non-compatible changes, too.

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KungFuJesus:

well Perl is going to be moved to a JIT soon enough

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Dagmar:

..even though perl will just about parse /dev/urandom if you set certain flags.

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KungFuJesus:

Python will be broken for the next version

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clever:

ive come across similar non-compatible changes in the mirc script interpreter

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clever:

the /beep command has suddenly began acting like it was merged with /halt

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Dagmar:

clever: Yes, but that's mIRC. You might as well be talking about problems with a padded safety helmet for the behaviourally challenged.

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clever:

which meant that the whole program comes to a halt when i try to stop beeping

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KungFuJesus:

lol

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clever:

yes, mirc script is painfully cripled

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Dagmar:

yes, well mIRC is godwaful

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clever:

so many things wrong with the language

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clever:

if you give a function 5 arguments, and the 1st happens to be null, they shift

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Dagmar:

Khaled never showed any signs of listning to what the people emailing him were saying

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Dagmar:

...or thinking things through.

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clever:

so you wind up giving it 4 arguments in all the wrong places

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: I'm almost willing to think that Legacy Doom broke because it started in the early 90's, during the end of the NT era, before the C99 revision

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KungFuJesus:

c99 may have broken many things

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Dagmar:

Could be

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KungFuJesus:

the win32 port won't compiler with any visual studio I throw at it, the linux port I have to use icc or gcc 3.2.2

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KungFuJesus:

compile*

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Dagmar:

Or maybe dig up an ancient version of the watcom compiler

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KungFuJesus:

and only on x86, even though it's written entirely in C

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Dagmar:

But yeah those are the sorts of changes that are ongoing with C++

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KungFuJesus:

with no ASM hacks unless a flag is passed to the makefile

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: I wish I was man enough to take on fixing and porting the legacydoom project more workable bugfree versions

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KungFuJesus:

sadly a whole team of people wrote it, some of which weren't keen on speaking english when adding comments, and the documentation for the code is scattered in random text files everywhere. I open up the code in my spare time and try to interpret what's going on and why it does a stacksmash on PPCLinux

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justinh:

hmmm just thought of another way to get my moving backgrounds done :)

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justinh:

which is a pity cos that's not what I want to get done tonight

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KungFuJesus:

doing a backtrace is impossible when it begins to draw the sprites, it gets to the menu and then a total crash of X happens and the stack is smashed with no reasonable backtrace. I've compiled it with so many debugging flags

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Dagmar:

I'm afraid I'll just have to settle for playing much better games

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: but legacy doom allows for 32 player co-op games of the doom, heretic, chex quest, hexen, and etc series

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Dagmar:

...which are all hideously obsolete

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KungFuJesus:

only one of its kind :-p

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KungFuJesus:

yeah, but admit it, it's fun. I'm reading John Carmacks biography, it's quite interesting

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KungFuJesus:

even having 6 players in a co-op is fun with that game, but organizing 32 is phenomenal

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wagnerrp:

i dont actually remember that game even having coop

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KungFuJesus:

wagnerrp: it was one of the first games to include co-op functionality

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KungFuJesus:

besides also being one of the first real FPS's

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KungFuJesus:

I used to play the vanilla version over IPX in the earlier days

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justinh:

aha! my code IS getting the height of the selected item

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: what does it take to write an official mythplugin? I can read the Wiki, but what gives you the "official mythplugin" status?

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wagnerrp:

i remember deathmatch, not coop

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KungFuJesus:

wagnerrp: it's in there, look harder

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wagnerrp:

KungFuJesus: being included in the distribution

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JEDIDIAH__:

deathmatch?

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KungFuJesus:

well I realize that, but what does it take to get my code to the SVN?

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JEDIDIAH__:

harlan elison vs. larry elison

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wagnerrp:

basically, you have to not be doing any blatent illegal activity (like torrent)

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wagnerrp:

be relatively stable

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justinh:

adhere to the coding standards

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wagnerrp:

and be relatively popular (or at least desired enough by the devs)

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iamlindoro_:

fit a demonstrated need

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iamlindoro_:

and have someone with commit access willing to commit to maintaining it

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KungFuJesus:

would MythPizza be popular?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats the big one, be desired enough by someone with commit access

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justinh:

not if it involves screen-scraping a site whose ToS forbids it

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** JEDIDIAH__ is not familiar with mythpizza **

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KungFuJesus:

lol, I haven't written it yet

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wagnerrp:

maybe mythpizza could be combined with mythphone

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KungFuJesus:

but let's assume for a second that there is a licensed web API for pizza sites

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wagnerrp:

send a pre-recorded order, complete with wait times, over the phone

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justinh:

oops. so my variable isn't getting out. ah

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: In a "no longer in SVN" extravaganza?

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KungFuJesus:

wagnerrp: it could be, but I was thinking along the lines of less work on the user's part

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro_: absolutely!

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justinh:

funny, nobody has complained about that yet

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wagnerrp:

KungFuJesus: actually, im just reminiscing about long lost episodes of Animaniacs...

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KungFuJesus:

wagnerrp: my idea is more along the lines of utilizing an open web API

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KungFuJesus:

if warcraft can /pizza, why can't myth press a pizza button?

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wagnerrp:

have it capable of using the chipotle website, and youve got a winner!

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justinh:

apart from the fact nobody in other countries could use it :P

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justinh:

but it wouldn't be the first time a country-specific plugin made it in

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wagnerrp:

not my fault people in other countries havent been introduced to the greatest food in the world

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justinh:

wagnerrp: if you ever had a takeaway pizza in the UK you'd not be in a hurry to have it available at the press of your remote :P

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: MythFishnChips?

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wagnerrp:

justinh: i actually meant chipotle

[21:12:04]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: or MythFalafel for the middle east!

[21:12:10]

iamlindoro_:

A new plugin for every dish!

[21:12:13]

iamlindoro_:

MOAR PLUGINZ!

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justinh:

winner!

[21:12:22]

iamlindoro_:

oh wait. No.

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JEDIDIAH__:

...or just a modular one.

[21:12:35]

justinh:

damnit my OO is failing me yet again

[21:12:50]

KungFuJesus:

it could be modular to include many foods

[21:12:51]

wagnerrp:

mythchinese! more flied lice!

[21:13:00]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: this 'cut & paste' coding method is letting me down. I might have to learn another way

[21:13:22]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: I was forced to learn a lot the last few weeks, my head still hurts

[21:13:33]

KungFuJesus:

seriously though, would the developers be cool with that if it worked well and didn't break?

[21:13:53]

iamlindoro_:

KungFuJesus: I don't think anyone is going to be able to commit to the inclusion of a plugin sight unseen

[21:13:54]

justinh:

I've run into this kind of problem before, when I did that appearance effort yet did it stick in my brain? nah

[21:14:10]

iamlindoro_:

and I doubt anyone will take up a vote based on an idea alone

[21:14:11]

justinh:

speaking of unseen plugins how's mythtube?

[21:14:23]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: I'm not fixing it any more, he can fix it for once

[21:14:37]

justinh:

not seen hide nor hair of anything to do with it since November or so

[21:14:54]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: I've got so many of my own patches crossed that if I try to fix MythTube again too, my head will explode

[21:15:08]

KungFuJesus:

iamlindoro_: well I mean if it works well and it's legal, though

[21:15:09]

justinh:

and it wasn't for the lack of people being enthusiastic about it

[21:15:12]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: Last time I got compile fixed and added some stuff about about two months ago, yeah

[21:15:42]

iamlindoro_:

KungFuJesus: Works well enough and legal are good steps. Now go write it, submit it, and see what happens-- but nobody is going to be able to tell you if it'll ever be official without it being written first

[21:15:45]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro_: was that the qt3 dependency issue?

[21:15:58]

justinh:

hmm this is something to do with private types vs something else. I need the something else.. aka define my variables in a different .h section I think

[21:16:01]

wagnerrp:

i remember that being somewhere around then

[21:16:18]

KungFuJesus:

iamlindoro_: w0rd, give me a few months and I'll be back with a functioning plugin

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: Have a few revisions after that IIRC, but then the getText/SetText changes happened, and I fixed those, but they exposed bugs elsewhere, and I didn't want to get into it

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: and I've been busy with my own projects so it just sort of took a back seat, and now I'm waiting to see if the original author will ever pick up the slack a bit

[21:17:21]

iamlindoro_:

(and signs so far point to no)

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wagnerrp:

nah, it was abandonware since he shoved it onto trac

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iamlindoro_:

If it hasn't been touched by the time the five or so things I've got in tickets right now get committed, I'll go back and work on it

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justinh:

infact last time I saw the author he said he was very drunk

[21:18:35]

wagnerrp:

beautiful

[21:19:14]

wagnerrp:

i discovered yesterday that alcohol helped me clear the snow off my driveway

[21:19:37]

KungFuJesus:

ok found it, pizza hut has a facebook API, this is doable

[21:19:53]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Kerosene generally works better

[21:20:22]

justinh:

wagnerrp: alcohol cures many of life's ills :)

[21:20:50]

justinh:

so, let's see if I can eke some working-ness out of this

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KungFuJesus:

hmm, maybe...it may require a facebook account but I think I can do it

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sphery:

someone needs to mention taskset -c 0 on #6022

[21:22:29]

justinh:

MythFriendFace !

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** iamlindoro_ nominates sphery **

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KungFuJesus:

lol, working on MythPizza first

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JEDIDIAH__:

...seems like a lot of trouble for what you can do from a netbook

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** justinh superpokes random people **

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: guess I'll swap kernels in a moment, then... :)

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** iamlindoro_ writes on justinh's funwall **

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Why the kernel swap?

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keith4:

what's the current state of mythtv+firewire+cablebox?

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justinh:

ruh? VERBOSE(VB_IMPORTANT, QString("m_selectedHeight=%1").arg(m_selectedHeight));

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justinh:

oops

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Dagmar:

keith4: Same as it's been for awhile

[21:24:34]

JEDIDIAH__:

I would think that external factors would be the main issue with anything that has firewire in it.

[21:24:54]

justinh:

m_selectedHeight=2883633 was reported when I put that VERBOSE in the part of the code where I want to use m_selectedHeight

[21:25:22]

justinh:

but, when I put it in the function where it's generated it's reported correctly

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Where can I get one of the 2883633p monitors, anyway?

[21:25:40]

justinh:

my laptop :)

[21:25:42]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: I've been messing with stuff I shouldn't be... (My new laptop has a SATA drive, and my kernels weren't configured to allow booting from SATA. I keep identically-configured kernels on all my machines, so I'm replacing them all.)

[21:25:55]

KungFuJesus:

justinh: who wants to pull out the netbook when you can sit at your large plasma display and order the pizza just before you start your HD movie/Game on TV

[21:26:06]

justinh:

what netbook?

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KungFuJesus:

err JEDIDIAH__ I meant

[21:26:39]

justinh:

we enjoy the roulette like game of phoning the non-native guy at the pizza shop & hoping he understood us

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iamlindoro_:

The unfortunate part is anyone with a web API for ordering will serve cardboard pizzas

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keith4:

Dagmar: I came across a note in the wiki about problems with 2.6.22+ and firewire... is that still the case? never can tell how outdated some of this info it

[21:26:47]

keith4:

is, rather

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iamlindoro_:

Now when my local pizza dive has web ordering...

[21:27:24]

sphery:

Though I don't know that I would use it much/at all, I kind of like the idea of a plugin for ordering food--if for no other reason than the cool factor. Definitely needs to include pluggable scripts for different restaurants/areas of the world, though.

[21:27:26]

KungFuJesus:

iamlindoro_: develop one for them :-p

[21:27:36]

Dagmar:

keith4: That would be a kernel problem then wouldn't it

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justinh:

and all this from somebody who's never even written a 'hello world' program. damn my petulence

[21:27:45]

iamlindoro_:

Since I don't want to order pizza online, I won't spend my time on it :)

[21:28:08]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: You could install EverQuest II and use their interface to Pizza Hut

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KungFuJesus:

I will, I hate ordering pizza on the phone. I hate repeating myself, I hate having to mention coupons, I hate specifying my address, hell I hate talking to the idiots that take my order

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dustybin:

Dagmar: this is my new entry on craigs list: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/anc/983394945.html

[21:29:17]

iamlindoro_:

Dagmar: Except pizza hut (and all other national chains) are yuck

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justinh:

ahh Init() is a protected virtual void. umm. I think

[21:29:31]

Dagmar:

...then of course you'd have EverQuest II installed and probably need to burn the computer.

[21:29:53]

KungFuJesus:

iamlindoro_: sometimes it's the only choice for convenience's sake, though

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kormoc:

protected virtual void... how useful!

[21:30:06]

kormoc:

We protect the fake nothing!

[21:30:06]

KungFuJesus:

Dewey's is a good chain

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iamlindoro_:

KungFuJesus: The phone isn't a valid choice?

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iamlindoro_:

They make pause buttons for myth now

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KungFuJesus:

iamlindoro_: too much time, too much effort :-p

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JEDIDIAH__:

what netbook? the one you would be doing silly stuff like mythpizza on instead of annoying the rest of the family by ordering pizza with the 60" TV

[21:30:57]

iamlindoro_:

If I ever find picking up a phone to be too much effort, I'll smash my mythbox with a sledgehamer

[21:31:07]

iamlindoro_:

as I have become morbidly obese

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justinh:

kormoc: spoken like somebody who'd be more suited to doing this :P

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KungFuJesus:

the point is, if I can check movie showings on mythtv, I want to be able to do other things with it that I use the internet for (i.e. pizza ordering)

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** kormoc laughs **

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** JEDIDIAH__ setup mythtv so that Tivo maintenance BS wouldn't take over the TV. **

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KungFuJesus:

anywho speaking of movies, why doesn't the imdb.pl script utilize the IMDB web API yet?

[21:32:07]

Dagmar:

Oh come on

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JEDIDIAH__:

HDTV libre

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kormoc:

KungFuJesus, because imdb is being removed from our codebase?

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Dagmar:

You don't like having the box go dead-stick for two hours straight in the middle of the night when you're just wanting to watch some reruns?

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KungFuJesus:

kormoc: I noticed, you guys are using something else now. Unfortunately most of the time it can't pull a movie cover anymore

[21:33:00]

KungFuJesus:

poster rather*

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kormoc:

likely because it's not in their database, feel free to find and add one

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JEDIDIAH__:

I need to test my imdb alternative some more.

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wagnerrp:

KungFuJesus: thats usually because no one has added a poster

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kormoc:

the movie database

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wagnerrp:

frequently tmdb will have a low res poster

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keith4:

Dagmar: I'm referring to this first Note:, really. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire

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justinh:

mmm user-contributed poster artwork

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justinh:

I could rack up a storm there

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wagnerrp:

but it wont show up in the API query unless its listed as 'high res'

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KungFuJesus:

wagnerrp: concur, they look bad at 1920x1080

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JEDIDIAH__:

that would not be a bad idea hustin

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JEDIDIAH__:

justin

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wagnerrp:

KungFuJesus: thats a background, not a poster

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justinh:

mmm images in the wrong aspect

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KungFuJesus:

wagnerrp: what I mean is the display

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kormoc:

justinh, you evil, evil man

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wagnerrp:

the low-res posters will look just fine, because theyre typically displayed as a thumbnail onscreen anyway

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KungFuJesus:

displaying them on a 50" TV with X in that resolution looks terrible

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: I amusedly discovered you can edit TMDB descriptions without a login the other day

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justinh:

nah I was referring to a poster image at 1920x1080

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wagnerrp:

low res being ~200x300

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: better get right to correcting all them entries then

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wagnerrp:

not the 40x60 prints imdb had been giving us recently

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: They really need an upload API... would be a hopefully-simple matter after that to add a "submit to TMDB" button

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JEDIDIAH__:

perhaps we should start considering sharing are own images amongst ourselves assuming that wouldn't offend anyone's sensibilities.

[21:36:01]

justinh:

wahhhh why wasn't I born with coding-fu ?

[21:36:18]

JEDIDIAH__:

you had to develop rolling-fu first.

[21:36:24]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: heh they better enlist a horde of editors then

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justinh:

or do they have some kind of voting system?

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KungFuJesus:

I'd love to scan my movie covers. The ones submitted are just images of the BluRay covers it seems

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Dagmar:

Perhaps you should worry about hte people who nabbed IMDBs images and will be violating their IP by using the upload API to upload IMDB's images to some other server

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kormoc:

I doubt you can do it automatically. If you made your requests in another system, like from perl code, you could do it.

[21:37:22]

iamlindoro_:

Ones submitted where? TMDB has high quality, movie theatre posters for all but about two of my films

[21:37:27]

kormoc:

that's an awesome statement

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justinh:

this all seemed so easy earlier. get the height, do this, do that, job done

[21:37:40]

justinh:

meh

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kormoc:

cause c++ can't do things that perl can do

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Dagmar:

kormoc: Sure it can... execve('perl -e blah')

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** kormoc laughs **

[21:38:14]

JEDIDIAH__:

c++ is the grandson of a macro assembler.

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: Well Ideally it'd be an inteface to kick off any old complaint script, like the grabber ones

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iamlindoro_:

interface, compliant

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, this is the 'WAF factor just plummetted, I need to make a strange rule." -user's thread

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: Ah, okay, I misunderstood

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iamlindoro_:

I've been ignoring that one after the first message

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JEDIDIAH__:

the WAF whine just sounded like general purpose applies to any PVR sort of problem.

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KungFuJesus:

92x130 is unacceptable when shown on a 50" display

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KungFuJesus:

especially if you press enter in the gallery view

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justinh:

if the channel goes off air add another hour to the recording.. que?

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kormoc:

KungFuJesus, so go buy the poster and scan it in so you have full res

[21:41:14]

kormoc:

justinh, yeah... wtf...

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justinh:

kormoc: I think I know what he meant though

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justinh:

I've seen it in mythtv-setup I think

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justinh:

special case rules for regex/categories – overrecording by default

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Dagmar:

justinh: becuase you know, PVRs don't record nearly enough static in the middle of the night

[21:42:33]

kormoc:

Yeah

[21:42:38]

Dagmar:

It's how old people know their VCR timers are working

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KungFuJesus:

kormoc: do you have any idea how long that would take for all of my movies? Seriously man, using the video manager to update all of that would take ages

[21:43:14]

JEDIDIAH__:

...then don't use the video manager.

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justinh:

ahh not mythtv-setup – mythfrontend.. TV settings – > general (Advanced).. Category record over-time

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KungFuJesus:

screw writing a perl script to do it, that would still be extremely time consuming

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Dagmar:

Perl is easy, what are you talking about

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KungFuJesus:

it's not the difficulty of perl, it's designing a system to match the movie name with my filename

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KungFuJesus:

and then writing something to automate the scanning process...pretty much an impossibility

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justinh:

so give the image files sensible names :P

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KungFuJesus:

justinh: exactly...by hand

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Dagmar:

Or keep a text file with metadata in it

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Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: You fed the DVDs to the machine by hand

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KungFuJesus:

it's not like I can write some crazy OCR thing to pull out the movie name that may or may not be on the poster

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JEDIDIAH__:

Yup, the scanning process will be terribly tedius and time consuming.

[21:45:13]

Dagmar:

I don't see how typing in their names should be nearly as much of a time sink

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: haha, that's funny

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KungFuJesus:

:-p

[21:45:28]

Dagmar:

If you have a bunch of pirated movies, you're on your own noob

[21:45:37]

KungFuJesus:

yeah, because I'm the only one

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KungFuJesus:

:-p

[21:45:49]

Dagmar:

Doesn't make you any less screwed

[21:45:54]

Dagmar:

Pirate less

[21:46:03]

Dagmar:

Then you'll have fewer incredible data-entry projects to worry about

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KungFuJesus:

lol

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KungFuJesus:

I've done enough data entry projects, I develop plenty at work for our offsite tape storage

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KungFuJesus:

working with the stupid AIX veritas system

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Dagmar:

This isn't a suicide help line.

[21:47:15]

KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: you're alright, I like you

[21:47:26]

Dagmar:

I've worked with AIX before.

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Dagmar:

You can tell from my wrists

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KungFuJesus:

god I hate ksh, and we use a stupid BoKs system at work

[21:48:11]

KungFuJesus:

none of the machines besides the solaris boxes have tcsh on them, and god forbid we put bash on them

[21:48:14]

mattwj2002:

help!

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mattwj2002:

my mysql won't start

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mattwj2002:

:S

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Dagmar:

OKay, you mentioned tcsh.

[21:49:19]

Dagmar:

Clearly, AIX has done you permanent damage. Your HR dept. probably has some dispensation allocated via worker's compensation for that.

[21:49:41]

KungFuJesus:

lol

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justinh:

mattwj2002: reinstall! worked last time

[21:49:50]

KungFuJesus:

nothing is as bad as working with our HP-UX boxes

[21:50:33]

Dagmar:

Man I've had to put together a toolchain on those before

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Dagmar:

...which is ever so much fun on a machine with bad RAM

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KungFuJesus:

nothing is manageable on that OS

[21:50:54]

mattwj2002:

yeah I think this is my fault

[21:51:18]

mattwj2002:

I accidently changed the permissions on /var/lib

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mattwj2002:

:(

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dustybin:

Dagmar: what do you think of Solaris?

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iamlindoro_:

s/I think//

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Dagmar:

dustybin: I like it, except for Jumpstart

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KungFuJesus:

Solaris isn't so bad

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dustybin:

Dagmar: are you a java head

[21:52:22]

Dagmar:

There were a few days back in 2000 when I almost went over to the Sun campus with a Little Slugger to express my opinion of Jumpstart

[21:52:23]

justinh:

I keep running into this kind of thing too. before I can walk

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KungFuJesus:

of course, I work for Sun on the side in a less technical position

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dustybin:

I tested solaris 10 in vmware, horrible, ugly, horrible. Slackware has a better package management system than solaris

[21:52:42]

Dagmar:

NO it doesn't.

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justinh:

mattwj2002: owner & group of /var/lib/mysql == mysql:mysql

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Dagmar:

...which is really saying something.

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KungFuJesus:

Solaris just uses SVR4

[21:52:56]

dustybin:

Dagmar: and slackware doesnt hardly have one :P

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Dagmar:

Trust me, Solaris' pcakage manager is more advanced than Slackware's

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dustybin:

heh

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KungFuJesus:

OpenSolaris has a Debian like package system, it's much better

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KungFuJesus:

it was developed by Ian Murdock

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dustybin:

Once you use solaris you spend all your time trying to get GNU tools installed

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KungFuJesus:

Sun freeware?

[21:53:49]

justinh:

the guy from the A-Team?

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dustybin:

LOL

[21:54:04]

KungFuJesus:

no, the DebIAN guy

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Dagmar:

I mean, there's stuff I've got here that's not about to be released because I don't want people burning effigies of me, that are the result of me trying to port things FROM the Solaris package manager into Slackware's in order to see if I could make them backwards compatible

[21:54:24]

dustybin:

http://bonn.freeshell.org/archives/murdock.jpg

[21:54:46]

Dagmar:

dustybin: Your eally need to check out the sunfreeware site

[21:54:51]

Dagmar:

Most of it's already packaged for Solaris

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dustybin:

http://www.sunfreeware.com/

[21:55:01]

justinh:

dustybin: you had that bookmarked

[21:55:02]

dustybin:

ace

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dustybin:

justinh: :P

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: The Fox news guy? ;)

[21:55:23]

Dagmar:

No, if you admin a sun box you just wind up going there so often you memorize it

[21:55:39]

justinh:

heh. I just noticed: Unable to initialize plugin 'mythphone'.

[21:55:41]

KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: I've used that to install things on our solaris 9 boxes

[21:55:50]

mattwj2002:

this is too messed up

[21:55:53]

mattwj2002:

I am going to reinstall

[21:55:56]

justinh:

somebody forgot to run make uninstall a few revs ago

[21:56:07]

KungFuJesus:

hey does anyone know if there's a way to do POTS callerID on Linux?

[21:56:16]

Dagmar:

Tehre is

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justinh:

KungFuJesus: with like, a modem?

[21:56:22]

KungFuJesus:

yeah

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dustybin:

Dagmar: is most of Solaris written in Java?

[21:56:29]

Dagmar:

You need to see if anyone around you still has an analog modem with CallerID support is all

[21:56:30]

justinh:

yeah. with like, a modem :)

[21:56:35]

KungFuJesus:

how hard would it be to put that into mythnotify/phone?

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iamlindoro_:

There is no more mythphone

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Dagmar:

dustybin: no, but you wouldn't know it from the speed, would you

[21:56:46]

justinh:

if it recognises CID it should squirt it out over the port

[21:56:51]

iamlindoro_:

she dead

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mattwj2002:

this just shows I shouldn't be a unix admin

[21:56:59]

mattwj2002:

:P

[21:57:05]

justinh:

mattwj2002: lol

[21:57:15]

Dagmar:

A LARGE portion of Jumpstart is actually in plain old shell scripting.

[21:57:20]

Dagmar:

...except for the bit with all the bugs in it.

[21:57:25]

mattwj2002:

your million dollar server....lets reinstall

[21:57:26]

mattwj2002:

:P

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Dagmar:

That one of course is a big piece of binary code no one at Sun seems to have the source for anymore.

[21:57:34]

dustybin:

Dagmar: I dont get the impression security issues are patched fast on solaris, maybe they are?

[21:57:36]

KungFuJesus:

hmm, so it's something I can find via a /proc interface?

[21:57:36]

justinh:

I shouldn't go round calling myself a developer either. heh

[21:57:54]

Dagmar:

dustybin: Dunno about fast. "Thoroughly" and "ponderously" maybe

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justinh:

KungFuJesus: prolly not if it's one of those lame softmodem gadgets

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dustybin:

aye ok

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Dagmar:

Probably faster than Microsoft and NT

[21:58:08]

dustybin:

haha

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KungFuJesus:

that's what I figured

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KungFuJesus:

so how does one interface with that on the modem in Linux?

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Dagmar:

Sun might take a month to get a patch cluster out, but they skip over the initial two months Microsoft typically spends sending people emails saying "That bug doesn't exist" or "We can't replicate that here"

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Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: Mainly you init the serial port just like with every other modem, send it the AT commands to tell it to not bother answering, to enable caller ID info parsing, and then from that point on an expect script looking for "RING" and some text is all that's left

[21:59:41]

iamlindoro_:

via a serial device

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justinh:

erm.. remember those things they called serial ports? listen for strings on the serial port

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iamlindoro_:

AT #CID=1

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iamlindoro_:

then listen

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justinh:

I still have a proper modem somewhere. a real waste of 2Watts of energy

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iamlindoro_:

see cidbcast in the myth source, which does axactly this

[22:00:50]

iamlindoro_:

exactly

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KungFuJesus:

hmm, so it is lower level than I thought

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KungFuJesus:

simple send stuff to /dev/ttySNUM

[22:01:09]

KungFuJesus:

and then listen

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justinh:

myup

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KungFuJesus:

I want mythnotify to work with my POTS CID

[22:01:22]

Dagmar:

It's *really* easy

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iamlindoro_:

then you'll need a modem

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KungFuJesus:

or to make a rework of it

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KungFuJesus:

iamlindoro_: I have hundreds

[22:01:49]

KungFuJesus:

iamlindoro_: seriously, I've been looking for a use for them

[22:01:51]

Dagmar:

The most complex part of it is finding something to set the ioctls for the interface to set it to a particular port speed if the language you're coding in doesn't do ioctls directly

[22:01:51]

iamlindoro_:

so.... you're all set, then

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justinh:

so, just shove whatever the CID is into a mythnotify template & you're done

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KungFuJesus:

*craps pants*

[22:02:17]

justinh:

or rather, mythtvosd

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KungFuJesus:

is it possible to make an "ignore" button to hang up or send them to voicemail?

[22:02:40]

iamlindoro_:

contrib/mythnotify/cidbcast

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KungFuJesus:

iamlindoro_: *makes not of location of source directory for CID*

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KungFuJesus:

the next question I guess is how to find the AT commands necessary to do such things

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Dagmar:

You'll still find that all OVER the web with Google

[22:04:22]

Dagmar:

"AT COMMAND SET"

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KungFuJesus:

ah ok, it's not specific to the device?

[22:04:32]

justinh:

mythtvosd --template=scroller --scroll_text="Come upstairs NOW wench"

[22:04:44]

Dagmar:

like http://michaelgellis.tripod.com/modem.html

[22:04:51]

KungFuJesus:

I <3 you guys :)

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Dagmar:

Well, MOST of the "common" AT commands will work with almost every modem

[22:05:11]

Dagmar:

Some of hte more esoteric stuff differs slightly

[22:05:32]

Dagmar:

It's generally worth trying "AT?" and "AT$?" at the modem and see if it'll give you menus

[22:05:34]

Dagmar:

Some will

[22:06:08]

Dagmar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayes_command_set

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KungFuJesus:

so I suppose I'd use setserial to map it to the serial port for udev, no?

[22:06:45]

Dagmar:

Umm... No.

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Dagmar:

udev should generate a serial device as the serial driver initializes

[22:07:03]

KungFuJesus:

teach me RJ-11 Guru

[22:07:09]

KungFuJesus:

oh that's cool

[22:07:17]

Dagmar:

setserial is for initializing the port to a given speed and word length

[22:07:21]

KungFuJesus:

*never used dialup in *Nix*

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KungFuJesus:

alright, well I have hundreds of modems to try tonight, but I want to make notes of these things

[22:08:50]

Dagmar:

If you see one that says "USRobotics" on it, use that one first

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Dibblah:

Except USR did some winmodems.

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Dagmar:

Yeah but even with that in the picture, that's the one probably most likely to use "normal" AT commands

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jackson__:

geez, I have a stack of Couriers in a closet.

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Dagmar:

I've got some knock-offs that will give you a menu when you pass then "AT?" but it's actually IN ENGRISH

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KungFuJesus:

later guys

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RyeBrye:

AT command set? someone want to set up a remote frontend over in Syberia or something?

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Dagmar:

Nope, just someone trying to hack together a caller ID enunciator

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Dagmar:

...which is fairly trivial.

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RyeBrye:

oh, ok

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RyeBrye:

they should use ATA ;)

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Dagmar:

Oh no

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Dagmar:

People STILL aren't cool with a carrier tone in their ear

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Dagmar:

Plus, there's people like me who could break the modem until the next reboot if it did that

[22:14:18]

Dibblah:

"why have you got a fax on your line"?

[22:14:36]

JEDIDIAH__:

it looks like Coume has been bit by the urge to redecorate.

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kormoc:

*7553##*?

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Dagmar:

it's amazing what you learn sometimes... like that unless a certain option is set so that the computer<->modem speed isn't linked to the modem<->modem speed, simply whistling the right pitch into the phone will make the modem 'run off' onto some baud rate the computer can't figure out

[22:15:46]

Dagmar:

...which promptly renders the computer unable to talk to the modem again until someone reboots it

[22:15:57]

Dagmar:

It was the bestest thing evar for dealing with annoying sysops

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Dibblah:

Eh? The DCE -> DTE was hardly ever linked.

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Dibblah:

There's no advantage to having it synchronous.

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Dagmar:

Try what I'm talking about sometime.

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Dibblah:

You ain't just whistling dixie?

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Dagmar:

It could and would fubar Fidos that couldn't keep up with whatever insane baud rate the modem thought you were whistling

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justinh:

JEDIDIAH__: yup. I don't like the new site

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jduggan:

back in the day you used to be able to send crafted packets to a modem with an AT command that the modem would see and hang up

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Dagmar:

jduggan: I think you're talking about the ATH0+++ trick that would cause modems that didn't properly respect the guard timer to take that as a request to hangup the modem and terminate the connection immediately.

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Dagmar:

...which you could embed in the body of an ICMP PING.

[22:49:10]

Dagmar:

...or even a CTCP PING

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jduggan:

you must have a good memory

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jduggan:

because that was it

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jduggan:

though it was over 10years ago

[22:49:40]

jduggan:

and more

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jduggan:

:o

[22:49:45]

jduggan:

so couldnt remember the details

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Dagmar:

Yes, it was during the heyday of the IRC "warfare" on EFnet

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jduggan:

;)

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Dagmar:

The funniest thing about it is that one of the opers in #Rave tried it with CTCP PING, and the entire channel responded, but the guy testing it was the only person whose modem hung up

[22:50:42]

directhex:

more recently, saying "startkeylogger" on irc would empty several channels

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jduggan:

lol

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directhex:

as some windows software firewalls would see it as uber dangerous & disconnect your interwebs

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Dagmar:

If you did the DCC variant of that in here probably 2–3 people would still disconnect

[22:51:17]

Dagmar:

Linksys has had a regression.

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jduggan:

admittedly ive not been in the `scene` for a while but I dont see the same irc warefares like there used to be in the heyday ;o

[22:52:24]

Dagmar:

Probably due to the fact that a lot of us on EFNet were intested in disseminating fixes so that we could keep control of our channels.

[22:52:37]

jduggan:

you an efnet oper?

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Dagmar:

Nope.

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Dagmar:

You couldn't PAY me to do that

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jduggan:

ah

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jduggan:

i know a few who have been/are

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jduggan:

had some shells on linked ircds

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Dagmar:

I used to be one of the guys defending my own channel on EFNet with ruthless abandon

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jduggan:

but, never got an oline ;P

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Dagmar:

I never really needed one

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dustybin:

Dagmar: are you a raver?

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Dagmar:

dustybin: why yes

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jduggan:

Dagmar: nobody really needs one.. but i wanted to be uber k-rad

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dustybin:

haha

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meshe:

usually don't give olines to those who want them :)

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RichiH:

are there any reference hardware specs? preferably for german tv in case that matters

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jduggan:

meshe: nod

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Dagmar:

I Held #nazi for a whole week once, until I realized (like almost everyone else who took that channel over) that no _actual_ nazis ever managed to get control of it so there was no point

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dustybin:

Dagmar: techno? drumnbass? psytrance? breaks? electro? ambient?

[22:54:56]

Dagmar:

dustybin: Mainly GOA and ambient, i.e., "drug music"

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dustybin:

haha

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jduggan:

are they bands?

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jduggan:

oh.

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Dagmar:

No, they're sub-genres.

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dustybin:

i like Goa from the mid-nineties

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jduggan:

Dagmar: just kiddin ;P

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meshe:

usually it's: Hey you're good a helping people, want to train up to network staff?

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dustybin:

Dagmar: somar fm is pretty good for ambient

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dustybin:

Soma

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Dagmar:

s/train up to network staff/subject yourself to jaw-dropping DDoS attacks and asshattery/;

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Dagmar:

dustybin: provided the RIAA don't manage to murder it with excessive licencing fees

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dustybin:

eek

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jduggan:

meshe: or, hey, i have uber bandwidth and stable box, can i link ;]

[22:56:27]

JEDIDIAH__:

has anyone tried the latest neuros box?

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meshe:

yeah, i'd probably quit if i was a network admin on efnet, i like my small network

[22:56:37]

Dagmar:

You have to be exceptionally stupid and/or greedy to not see what they're doing as promoting album sales

[22:56:46]

meshe:

jduggan: yeah, we get that too

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jduggan:

meshe: i know, i co-founded an irc network a few years ago, its still going strong

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jduggan:

:P

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dustybin:

Dagmar: used to buy ambient / techno from this record shop in london: http://www.accessallareas.org/

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dustybin:

back in the day :P

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jduggan:

not of the same size as the efnets/undernets etc

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jduggan:

freenodes

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jduggan:

:P

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Dagmar:

dustybin: I bought most of my stuff locally, and then I moved to SF.

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meshe:

jduggan: that's cool, they are hard to get going

[22:57:47]

jduggan:

meshe: yea

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Dagmar:

You couldn't go a week in san francisco without dropping $100 on vinyl in the Bay

[22:58:01]

jduggan:

meshe: its security related

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meshe:

ahhh

[22:58:14]

jduggan:

meshe: so lots of hax0r wannabes ;p

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Dagmar:

Ameba would generally skin me for about $150–200 every trip

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dustybin:

heh

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meshe:

lol

[22:58:28]

meshe:

ours is general

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dustybin:

i wouldnt mind going to another decent psytrance party

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Dagmar:

I think they're still having Aranji if you're in that area

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Dagmar:

Just um, have a cab company picked out to call for "extraction" when the place closes

[22:59:09]

dustybin:

Dagmar: do you dye your hair pink and wear fluorescent outfits and juggle balls ? :P

[22:59:12]

Dagmar:

It's in a part of town you don't want to be in at 2:30am

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Dagmar:

dustybin: no, but I had some white kid gloves, a felt dreadlock muppet hat usually with some high-intensity glowsticks hidden in it, and some sunglasses with mismatched lenses

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dustybin:

hahaha

[23:00:05]

justinh:

candykidz? eew

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Dagmar:

Can't *stand* candy ravers

[23:00:39]

Dagmar:

I've always been of the opinion that if your primary goal is to do X, then you should stay home.

[23:02:11]

shadash:

I like candy

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shadash:

but can't stand raves

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Dagmar:

I like candy but it's not something I'd _wear_

[23:02:48]

Dagmar:

It gets all sticky and melts if you're actually dancing, which is the reason one should actually go to a party

[23:03:31]

Dagmar:

I always bought my glowsticks from camping stores or military surplus, becasue they had the ones you were meant to be able to _read_ by

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Dagmar:

Makes all the widdel kiddies look silly with their barely-glowing ones

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dustybin:

i wouldnt be suprised if you bumped into richard stallman at a big psytrance festival, i can imagine him playing his song around a fire

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dustybin:

what the hell is this http://openpandora.org/

[23:15:03]

Dagmar:

Oh wait I know this one

[23:15:29]

Dagmar:

Its an expensive and somewhat unweildy PDA platform

[23:15:47]

dustybin:

eeek

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directhex:

dustybin, an "open source console" i.e. all the worst bits of free software development brought to life for several times more money than a nintendo ds

[23:16:11]

dustybin:

the same concept as openmoko ?

[23:16:27]

dustybin:

http://www.openmoko.com/

[23:16:32]

Dagmar:

Yeah but with a less painless price point

[23:16:40]

dustybin:

ok

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BassKozz:

If I compile from source (trunk) on an Xubuntu machine, how are updates handled? What command would I use to upgrade?

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Dagmar:

make

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meshe:

svn up

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BassKozz:

svn up, mythtv, mythplugins, myththemes

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BassKozz:

?

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kormoc:

depends on how you checked it out and built it

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iamlindoro:

but in short, nothing will happen automatically

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BassKozz:

using: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ubuntu-8.10_Source_Install

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iamlindoro:

you will need to enter the source dir, make it clean most likely, make, and isntall or package it each and every time

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iamlindoro:

so you'd enter each source dir, run svn up, configure, make, and make install it again

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iamlindoro:

and SHAME on that article for not ever *discussing* configure options for mythtv itself

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iamlindoro:

it should be torn apart and redone

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iamlindoro:

and its author shot

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** BassKozz shots Ubuntu-8.10_Source_Install author **

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iamlindoro:

just running ./configure then make in the mythtv dir will result in unusable myth for most people's needs

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BassKozz:

So that's not a good guide to go by

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iamlindoro:

also, someone should teach the author the apt-get build-dep command

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iamlindoro:

you can run some giant who-the-heck knows apt command to get the deps... OR.. apt-get build-dep mythtv

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gumpert345:

deb http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu-trunk-0.22/ubuntu intrepid main works for me

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BassKozz:

Gargan = author

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BassKozz:

gumpert345, did you just add that to your sources and it provides updates in the update manager?

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Wicked:

hmm. weekly builds of mythtv....this could be cool. gumpert345 any big issues using that? anything i should consider before using it on 8.10?

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gumpert345:

i use apt-get never checked, whether adept sees the mythtv updates

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gumpert345:

The first time I downloaded trunk I had some problems with dependencies, right now things work quite well, except for plugins

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Wicked:

ah hm.

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gumpert345:

may be because the plugins havent yet been rebuilt to work with pre 0.22

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Wicked:

ah. any cool new things you are enjoying with it? or any fixes that you like?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: finally got my 3D glasses for Chuck

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iamlindoro:

sphery, oh, gah! Need to do that

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sphery:

wagnerrp: figured out why the red/cyan masks weren't working. They're using the other one...

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iamlindoro:

sphery, And was right in front of the grocery store last hour, ugh

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gumpert345:

I like the new GUI a lot looks bet than before though I think they didnt change that much yet

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Real supermarkets should have it. Walmart Supercenter didn't (down here). I've heard Walmart Neighborhood Markets do.

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quinten:

gumpert345: hey, what were the dependency problems?

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quinten:

gumpert345: trying to install trunk right now and running into problem myself

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Yeah, live a few blocks from a real supermarket, will need to drop in this weekend

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gumpert345:

I think I had some old mythtv packages installed before and things got mixed up

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quinten:

i tried uninstalling all of the myth packages, and it's still saying that one package is trying to overwrite a file in another package

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sphery:

looking up to see what the not-red/cyan anaglyphs use

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Wicked:

ah. well i may try it out.

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meshe:

3d ep of Chuck coming on tv?

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sphery:

meshe: yeah, Feb 2, Chuck vs The Third Dimension

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meshe:

what channel do you get Chuck on, I haven't been able to find it in searching my listings

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