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Monday, January 26th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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goakes:

code in mysql and php all the time

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clever:

then you shouldnt have any trouble installing the mythtv packages from your distro

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goakes:

im not great but proficient enough

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clever:

just read the documents

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goakes:

how hard is it to get qam clear tunning run on the new mythtv disto

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clever:

dont have any digital cards here :(

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clever:

dont even get HD on my cable box

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goakes:

you dont need to get it on your cable box to get it from the cable company

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goakes:

most of the time locals espn ect is all ready there you just need to be able to tune what unencrypted

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sphery:

goakes: if you install Ubuntu, then put MythTV on it, you're basically taking Ubuntu--which is configured for desktop use--and unconfiguring a bunch of it, then configuring it for use with MythTV. If you take MythBuntu, you get, er, Ubuntu configured for use with MythTV.

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goakes:

unfortunately windows media center will not allow a 4 digit subchannel ex. 106.4002

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goakes:

they problem for mythbuntu i see is the ablility to get around the file system and manually configure

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goakes:

i would like to be able to edit the channel tables

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sphery:

goakes: for that you wouldn't use the file system, you would use the MythTV channel editor in mythtv-setup or (at your own risk) MythWeb.

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iamlindoro:

Mythbuntu is just a distro geared towards myth-- it's no different functionalitywise than simply installing myth. And you should avoid editing the channel tables AT ALL COSTS as it's not simple number swapping, you need to know how myth's code works to have any success

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arrrghhh:

maybe that's my problem also? although the channels i'm picking up aren't 106.4002 they're 106.2...

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janneg:

sphery: thanks

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sphery:

And, really, MythBuntu is /just/ Ubuntu where someone else has already done all the stuff you need to do to make MythTV work on it. It's /really/ Ubuntu.

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arrrghhh:

they stripped the stuff out of ubuntu that you wouldn't really need for a mythbox and did make the myth part brain-dead easy. the rest is getting it to work on your particular setup :D

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goakes:

the problem i am having is that a straight foward scan will not get me what i need for the box to do

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sphery:

janneg: yeah, figured we might get a reply from the reporter if he clicked the link and saw it was a nonexistant ticket, so I figured I'd just mention the typo.

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iamlindoro:

How do you know? You haven't even started with myth?

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phunyguy:

you lose nothing with configuring.

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goakes:

no i have mythbuntu installed

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goakes:

i have done a scan

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arrrghhh:

did it pick up _anything_?

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goakes:

my cable company is comcast and they dont have the clear qam channels configured correctly

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goakes:

so im not getting all my locals

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arrrghhh:

lol i'm in the same boat.

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goakes:

i get alot of other stuff

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arrrghhh:

my analog is working fine from comast.

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arrrghhh:

comcast*. but digital is not workin.

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goakes:

no im getting them in high definition through a hvr-1800 card

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goakes:

but i need to edit the channel list to pick up the correct channel numbers

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arrrghhh:

your digital channels are working with comcast?

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arrrghhh:

i have a hvr-1600, should be hd digital as well as i understand it...

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sphery:

is the HVR-1800 even supported in MythTV?

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goakes:

comcast sends alot of channels in clear qam

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goakes:

yes it is

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arrrghhh:

i couldn't pick up anything in clear qam.

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arrrghhh:

hrm maybe i should try switching the inputs...

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goakes:

you have to set it up under the dvb settings

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goakes:

not anolog tuner

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arrrghhh:

well

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arrrghhh:

i have an analog and digital

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arrrghhh:

i set both up

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arrrghhh:

one as dvb and one as mpeg-2

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sphery:

goakes: ok, that's what I was thinking--the analog side isn't supported

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goakes:

i dont know if both will work in mythtv from what i see

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arrrghhh:

oh really? that doesn't make sense, assuming you have both inputs in the card (or 2 cards)

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goakes:

i have a pvr-250 that im going to put in for analog if i can map the qam clear correctly

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goakes:

the analog support isnt there for hybrid cards yet

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goakes:

they are working on it in the beta copies

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arrrghhh:

bummer. well i have a pvr150 i could use for analog alongside the 1600.

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goakes:

i cant manually enter channels in media center either

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goakes:

i wished i could go to a file and enter the frequency and have it save it

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sphery:

goakes: there's a /lot/ more to tuning a digital channel than just specifying a frequency.

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sphery:

for that reason, getting the mythtv channel scanner to work for you is your best bet.

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arrrghhh:

hrm. maybe i bit off more than i could chew. i figured if my tv could get the channel, i could get the channel on myth.

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goakes:

unfortunately no

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sphery:

make sure you choose the right option (i.e. full scan--don't do "high" or "low" or whatever), and--more importantly--let it run to completion

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goakes:

and it maybe that your tv will not get all thats out there

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arrrghhh:

the channel scanner doesn't seem to scan what i need it to scan.

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sphery:

do /not/ stop it after you see a few channels that say nothing was found

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goakes:

make sure you have it set for qam 256

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sphery:

and do /not/ worry if it says that channel 3 isn't found even if you know you have a channel 3.1

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sphery:

(because they have nothing to do with each other)

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arrrghhh:

i always let the channel scan finish, but it always comes up with nothing. i use qam 256 with every other setting on that page. cable, cable high, cable irc etc

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goakes:

should just have to use cable

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arrrghhh:

sphery, so i _know_ there's a 9.1. how do i get myth to use that channel when it says nothing found for channel 9.

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goakes:

which side do you have the cable hooked to

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arrrghhh:

atsc

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sphery:

arrrghhh: 9.1 is a logical channel name, it has nothing to do with frequency

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arrrghhh:

which i thought was also digital

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arrrghhh:

sphery, ah i see.

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sphery:

arrrghhh: it's just a name that's included in the digital stream.

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arrrghhh:

sphery, scans never pick up any signal at all tho...

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goakes:

then thats right

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sphery:

for example, my channel 9.1 is on frequency assignment 27 (what an analog TV would consider channel 27), IIRC

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arrrghhh:

i see

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phunyguy:

are we still talking about the direct cable line to the tuner card?

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sphery:

oops, I guess 9.1 is on 39

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aBs0lut30:

ok, so I got my chan changer script setup and now all I get is a blank screen...

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goakes:

same basic pricipal phunyguy

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sphery:

14.0 is on 27

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phunyguy:

ok.

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arrrghhh:

sphery, so when myth scans channel 39 for you it shows some signal strength yes?

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sphery:

arrrghhh: yep

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phunyguy:

aBs0lut30: are you using an IR blaster?

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arrrghhh:

i don't get any signal strength on any channel. i guess i'll try the other input.

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aBs0lut30:

yup

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sphery:

arrrghhh: but I have OTA, not cable, so my channels are /definitely/ not encrypted. On a cable network, some vast majority of channels are allowed to be encrypted.

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arrrghhh:

i swore that one was simply labeled "analog" tho.

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sphery:

definitely worth checking the other input, just in case

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arrrghhh:

hrm. sphery, would my tv (w/o any cable box) be able to decrypt these channels?

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sphery:

nope, it can only tune/decode the unencrypted channels

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arrrghhh:

that's what i figured.

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arrrghhh:

i _should_ be able to get the same channel lineup thru myth (with the right card) correct?

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sphery:

also, if you're scanning on a multi-core/multi-proc system, make sure you pin the mythtv-setup program to a single core (with taskset -c 0)

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arrrghhh:

i figured a atsc/qam/analog card would do it.

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sphery:

arrrghhh: yep

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arrrghhh:

uhm i think this box is just a p4 single core.

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arrrghhh:

alright i'll switch inputs and rescan.

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aBs0lut30:

humm, and now I cannot get back out of live tv...

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sphery:

arrrghhh: assuming your TV is actually using the digital channels... I don't think the analog side of an HVR-1x00 works (though I'm not positive about the 1600)

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sphery:

so, you won't get any of the analog channels, if I'm right about that

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arrrghhh:

ok

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sphery:

arrrghhh: if mythtv-setup crashes during the channel scan, you need the taskset -c 0. If it doesn't, you don't. However, a P4 with Hyped-up Threading can cause the same issues as a real multi-core/multi-proc system.

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arrrghhh:

the pvr150 i was using previously got analog fine

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arrrghhh:

so i can throw that back in there if i need to for analog.

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sphery:

arrrghhh: yep, the 150 is great for the analog stuff

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daum:

hey guys- i'm trying ot use mythweb is there a way to have it output over my pvr 350?

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daum:

er mythvideo, not mythweb

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arrrghhh:

alright rescan time. brb.

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sphery:

daum: you have to use the PVR-350 X driver with Xv support, then it just does

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sphery:

daum: you can /not/ use the MPEG-2 decoder in the PVR-350 with anything except MPEG-2 (and, generally, only PVR-x50 recordings).

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daum:

sphery, is there a tutorial for that? or would you mind explaining howt o set it up

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sphery:

daum: on the bright side, there's no real reason to use the decoder (you're /much/ better off with a cheap NVIDIA (or possibly ATI) graphics card)

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daum:

heh well i don't usually watch much other thanr ecordings, but have a movie i have that i want to watch, is it difficult to setup the xv to use it?

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sphery:

daum: I used the PVR-350 TV out for all of 2 weeks--just long enough to determine that it was a complete waste and had /far/ more disadvantages than (its one) advantage (decoding low-resolution, easy-to-decode-on-CPU MPEG-2)

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sphery:

daum: and that was > 4yrs ago

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goakes:

im just the opposite with mine

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sphery:

daum: do you have the MythTV GUI on the TV screen?

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goakes:

use mine all the time

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daum:

sphery, no, it is on my computer

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sphery:

daum: then you'll need to switch it so that /both/ the video and the GUI are on the TV and it will likely just work (I'm pretty sure any competent distro has the PVR-350 driver with Xv support in it)

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sphery:

daum: I /think/ you may also have to uncheck the box that says, "Use the PVR-350's TV out / MPEG decoder"

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arrrghhh:

well nothing yet. scanning with cable & qam-256

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sphery:

(otherwise it will only play MPEG-2)

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goakes:

arrrghh: you will only pick up qam on channels that are not in your channel lineup for analog

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goakes:

so most likely high numbered channels

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sphery:

daum: and you need the ivtv-fb kernel module loaded and properly configured, too

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sphery:

daum: then again, with 0.21-fixes playback profile support, you might not need to uncheck, "Use the PVR-350's TV out / MPEG decoder"

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sphery:

daum: however, no one is doing anything other than fixing compile errors in the PVR-350 output code, so really, your best bet is to get a real video card and a real sound card and use the PVR-350 as if it were a PVR-250 or a PVR-150 (i.e. just for encoding)

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sphery:

the 350's TV out isn't really supported, anymore

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aBs0lut30:

with the guide up how to I make it tune to a channel?

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arrrghhh:

goakes, i don't have an analog lineup currently.

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BuffyNZ:

Hi folks, I have been using my mythtv for a few months now, but over the last month I have had a strange problem. After a few moments of watching my DVB (A Sky2PC/Skystar 2 DVB-S) loses lock, and does not return. Sometimes a reboot will fix it, sometimes not.. Any suggestions on where to look?

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arrrghhh:

so i know not to scan on the mpeg-2. that's the analog, right? i always scan with dvb : 0. i never get any signal tho!

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goakes:

arrrghh: you will not have analog at all anyway but if you get an analog channel on channel 10 their will not be a digital channel of 10–1

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goakes:

arrrgh: they cant run both analog and digital on the same frequency

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goakes:

you will constantly lock and unlock while scanning for digital stations

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goakes:

it will only lock for a sec and write to the channel table

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arrrghhh:

it says on the output "no signal" on every channel.

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arrrghhh:

and "channel timeout" or something to that effect

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arrrghhh:

timeout scanning – chan x no signal

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arrrghhh:

i'm scanning on the right input, the dvbinput not the mpeg-2 right?

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goakes:

right

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arrrghhh:

hrm. digital scanning just does not seem to be working. when i used the pvr150 & sd's channel lineup population method i finally got video corresponding to the correct channel. then i wanted digital :S

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goakes:

it was a pain for me also

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goakes:

i know its possible

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goakes:

just not easy

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arrrghhh:

hrm

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arrrghhh:

i was hoping the channels my tv was picking up would help me in _some_ way

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d0netsFN:

hey

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d0netsFN:

if im wanting to install mythtv from ubuntu

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d0netsFN:

what all packages do i need to install?

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d0netsFN:

i was using mythbuntu

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d0netsFN:

but it pissed me off in a couple areas (usb media and i couldntget my mic input working)

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dmb_:

phunyguy, i'm trying the tombstone pizza again :P

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dmb_:

better not fall down again

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arrrghhh:

no signal across the board!

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arrrghhh:

i doubt viewing tv is going to work..

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iamlindoro:

arrrghhh, I don't remember the whole troubleshooting process people have gone through with you-- but you are able to watch digital TV with other programs in linux, or no?

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arrrghhh:

iamlindoro, i actually haven't tried to be honest with you. before with the analog i just did a test using cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg

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arrrghhh:

i got static, but it worked lol

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a1fa:

hey

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arrrghhh:

how do you suggest i test the digital in linux?

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a1fa:

what do you guys think of DLP?

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a1fa:

i found a 61" samsung for $750

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a1fa:

HL-S6165w

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, that would be the analog side-- You should try using the linux scan utility to get a channels.conf, and use that to feed kaffeine or mplayer and see if the card itself is functional

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a1fa:

he said brand new bulb

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arrrghhh:

i heard kaffenine can do it, but i couldn't figure it out. and this is running xfce so there's a ton of modules to install for kaffeine

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a1fa:

how long does a bulb last?

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iamlindoro:

if you can watch TV in kaffeine or mplayer, then the fault is with the myth channel scanner

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iamlindoro:

where TV = dia the DVB interface, not the video# one

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iamlindoro:

via

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iamlindoro:

start with that

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arrrghhh:

ok. i'll start googlin!

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iamlindoro:

If it *is* working using dvb-utils scan + mplayer/kaffeine, then get a verbose output of the scan command/channels.conf, and a verbose output of a channel scan in myth, and submit both with a bug report on the channel scanner

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a1fa:

iamlindoro: what do you think of Samsung HL-S6165w

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a1fa:

61" rear projected DLP?

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iamlindoro:

a1fa, My folks have *I think* exactly that model-- it's a beautiful, bright picture, but I remember it having a fairly aggressive overscan

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phunyguy:

lol dmb_ nice

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phunyguy:

thanks for the heads up

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iamlindoro:

not an issue in myth as you can adjust using the screen wizard

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a1fa:

awesome

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a1fa:

they want $750 for it

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a1fa:

deal or what?

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iamlindoro:

Hmm. I'm not sure I wouldn't just save a few hundred more and get a 40-something LCD, personally, but if you've got the room and don't mind the depth, and most importantly, if *you're* satisfied with it, then go for it

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iamlindoro:

doesn't matter what anyone else would do

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a1fa:

its 61" :)

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a1fa:

i wonder whats the viewing angle on it

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arrrghhh:

i've been really happy w/my 42" lcd. great viewing angle. ambilight is sweet.

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a1fa:

aww fuck its 720p :(

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arrrghhh:

boooo

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arrrghhh:

it is only $750 lol

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a1fa:

;)

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arrrghhh:

my 42" lcd was $1500 in sept '07.

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arrrghhh:

but it's 1080p

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goakes:

yes but you can get a 42 inch 1080p at sears for 700

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arrrghhh:

a name brand one?

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arrrghhh:

or some vizio crap lol

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goakes:

i believe samsung

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arrrghhh:

i'm sure it's become cheaper since i bought my tv tho

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arrrghhh:

always does

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goakes:

i have a mag

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goakes:

they make monitors

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arrrghhh:

yea i like my philips

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arrrghhh:

upscale mag :P

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goakes:

yes

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goakes:

does 1080i

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goakes:

32 inch

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arrrghhh:

ja mine does 1080p

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arrrghhh:

3 hdmi inputs

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arrrghhh:

hardly any other inputs lol

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goakes:

i dont have anything to push 1080 p to it

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goakes:

but my projector in the theatre room does 1080p

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arrrghhh:

ah. my ps3 is great. and with mediatomb upnp media streaming as been sweet

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goakes:

cool

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arrrghhh:

yea i've always wanted to buy a projector but damn thery're not cheap.

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goakes:

i got mine for $600 used on ebay

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arrrghhh:

planet earth in hd surround sound outta a headless server. awesome.

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arrrghhh:

nice

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arrrghhh:

when i last looked at 'em it was hard to find ones that did full 1080p

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arrrghhh:

unless you wanted to spend north of 3k lol

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arrrghhh:

well i was really looking forward to setting up this myth box to completely replace the tv in a sense. i'll just use it for everything but capturing tv i guess? lame.

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arrrghhh:

maybe i'll try to scrounge up an antenna haha

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BuffyNZ:

Hi folks, I have been using my mythtv for a few months now, but over the last month I have had a strange problem. After a few moments of watching via my DVB (A Sky2PC/Skystar 2 DVB-S) loses lock, and does not return. Sometimes a reboot will fix it, sometimes not.. Any suggestions on where to look?

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BuffyNZ:

dvbtune shows no lock also, during these times.

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iamlindoro:

BuffyNZ, If something outside of Myth (dvbtune) is showing the same behavior, then it's driver or hardware related-- you should follow up in #linuxtv

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BuffyNZ:

Yeah, fair call. I will jump over there. Thanks!

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iamlindoro:

no problem , good luck

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goakes:

arrrghh: where do you live

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arrrghhh:

denver

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goakes:

nice just left from out there

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arrrghhh:

work?

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goakes:

sort of

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goakes:

one of the guys i do a website for is a hunting guide full time

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arrrghhh:

nice

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goakes:

he took a group for elk hunting

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goakes:

i live in martinsville va

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goakes:

i was going to say you might get quite a bit with an antenna

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goakes:

i can get 4 markets here

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goakes:

we landed in denver was about 2 hours west of there

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arrrghhh:

yea

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arrrghhh:

i dunno. i see all the channels my tv is getting and i know i won't be able to get with OTA.

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iamlindoro:

Have you gone and checked tuning with other linux programs yet?

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iamlindoro:

You're putting the cart before the horse

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arrrghhh:

i actually came back to ask how to scan in linux

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iamlindoro:

ask in #linuxtv

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arrrghhh:

my googling efforts have been for naught

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iamlindoro:

(and they have a wiki too)

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arrrghhh:

ok

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jroysdon:

Anyone using ACPI_Wakeup stuff with Mythtv? It says you don't want to use it if your backend is also a frontend, but folks at my house will forget to turn it off...

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iamlindoro:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Testing_your_DVB_device

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iamlindoro:

follow up with them after following that

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jroysdon:

I'm wondering if I could at least tell it (via a cron-job) if it is still on at say midnight to turn itself off, or at least enable it to turn-off if idle

[01:37:58]

jroysdon:

Then at after say 8am disable turning off on idle

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jroysdon:

(good news is that my ACPI is working great with hibernate and wakealarm)

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jroysdon:

Has anyone done this with a dual backend/frontend?

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arrrghhh:

jroysdon, well you can set a cronjob to shut the machine down if it's running, that's easy.

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jroysdon:

(also, I rewrote my power button even to be a hibernate and not power off, so really all folks have to do is hit hibernate – but I guess I need it to do a check to see if hibernate should occur if there is a recording going on...

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arrrghhh:

now to wake a machine at a specific time, i always have a server running. that server sends out a "magic" packet and wakes the machine up using wakeonlan.

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jroysdon:

arrrghhh, right, but I don't want it to just shutoff, I want it to enable the idle flag in mythtv setup

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arrrghhh:

oh

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arrrghhh:

sorry.

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a1fa:

iamlindoro: just took out $750

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CaptObviousman:

so, still got El Silly roaming around making noise?

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jroysdon:

I don't want to have another machine on at home at this point to manage it (but yeah, I get the magic packet thing, I was working with it last night and it works good)

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a1fa:

i dont know if its worth for 720p

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CaptObviousman:

or did he leave finally?

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jroysdon:

So, in MythTV Setup, General, there is a Shutdown/Wakeup Options page

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jroysdon:

I want to turn off/on the "Block shutdown before client connected" option based on my cronjob

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jroysdon:

I'm guessing this option is stored via the sql db, or is it written in a text file somewhere?

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jroysdon:

(and I'm guessing I need to restart the backend to get it to re-read it, right?)

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jroysdon:

Oh, or there is a Pre Shutdown check-command option, perhaps that would be better... it could check and the check script could look at the time of day

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jroysdon:

The check would always fail if from 0700 – 2359, but from 0000 – 0659 it would use the regular idle shutdown timeout option

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jroysdon:

Does that make sense? Heh, is anyone crazy enough to try this sort of thing?

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jroysdon:

(I just figure, if no one is watching it, and there are no shows on during that time, might as well have the thing shut itself off, as it knows how to startup at the right time it would appear)

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jroysdon:

Does it only turn on if there is a show to record, or will it turn itself on for it's cronjobs (Schedules direct, mythbackup, imdb jobs, etc.)?

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jroysdon:

s/it's/its

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jroysdon:

Plenty of good info here, but it's also lacking, as always: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup

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iamlindoro:

Heh, First time I've ever seen TMS give the first and second part of a miniseries the same programID so the second part won't record

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, anyone recording "The Last Templar" tonight would need to edit the programID of tomorrow's instance to get it to record

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sphery:

iamlindoro: or, as I did, make it a no dup checking rule

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iamlindoro:

Or that :)

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sphery:

but thanks for confirming it's a 2-parter...

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sphery:

I did the no dup checking and figured, worst case I'd record the same thing twice and delete one

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sphery:

but, you definitely can't do a "Find and record one episode of this show" rule...

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jroysdon:

Why doesn't mythtv have some sort of centralized place to store/alert this sort of info?

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jroysdon:

I know it wouldn't be a perfect schedule info, but at least a warning thing, and then folks could have their own system set to double-record or notify on warning issues like this...

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jroysdon:

Just have a centralized web interface where folks could mark off this sort of info, and even better push back info from mythtv if such an interface was added (sort of like notifying the centralized warning system that X users have checked "override" or whatever)

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Anduin:

any screen where a recording rule is earlier showing the next day would quickly never be checked again

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jroysdon:

Anduin, right, unless there was a warning/alert system which could cause (if the user/system had set it to) to record dupes

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iamlindoro:

Let us know when it's all working

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jroysdon:

LOL, perhaps sooner than you'd expect, but we'll see.

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jroysdon:

Does anyone know of any commercial services/turn-key systems using MythTV?

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cesman:

cough wiki cough google

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cesman:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Commercial_MythTV_System

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jroysdon:

tnx

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cesman:

you're welcome

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jroysdon:

Isn't it odd, well, to me, that there appears to be only 2 US systems?

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a1fa_:

ok

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a1fa_:

i got that 61"

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a1fa_:

it dwarfs my bedroom

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a1fa_:

my living room

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a1fa_:

i cant get HDMI to work tho

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a1fa_:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600 GT] (rev a2)

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pembo13:

i have a wird problem with mythfrontend

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pembo13:

it won't show live tv recordings unless i specifically set the filter to that

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pembo13:

it sgows 31 default, 3 live

[03:10:25]

pembo13:

but "All Programs" only shows 31

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GreyFoxx:

There is a setting for that

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GreyFoxx:

Whether or not All Programs includes LiveTV or not

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pembo13:

hm... a variable definition of 'All' >

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a1fa_:

should I use DVI cable or VGA, since my TV has vga input

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jroysdon:

LiveTV is worthless, usually... it's just you flipping through the channels

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pembo13:

?

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pembo13:

ok

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jroysdon:

(imho)

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jroysdon:

If you want to record a show to show in Recorded, press the record button

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pembo13:

GreyFoxx: any idea where that setting would be?

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GreyFoxx:

pembo13: not specifically :) just in the frontend settings

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jroysdon:

Does anyone have a tree / menu map of all the options in the mythtv setup and frontend setup?

[03:12:30]

jroysdon:

I would find that really useful, as there are so many settings buried in so many spots... takes me forever to re-find stuff.

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pembo13:

GreyFoxx: ok thanks

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GreyFoxx:

jroysdon: I know there are a couple ofmenu maps, but none of the settings themselves

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jroysdon:

(I may just map it out if no one else has done so, but don't want to waste time)

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a1fa_:

how can i force nvidia to spit things out of hdmi port

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a1fa_:

brb

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pembo13:

GreyFoxx: found it under TV settings

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a1fa_:

grrrrr

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a1fa_:

:(

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a1fa_:

nvidia 6600gt is useless

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qfx:

alfa_: I have the 6600gt, but I have the TV hooked up via the DVI (HDMI)

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qfx:

Does yours have one of those TV out adapters or something?

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jams:

had screenshots of all the settings, but they are a bit outdated now

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jams:

just need to update the program to account for new screens

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a1fa_:

qfx: can you pastebin

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a1fa_:

your xconf

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qfx:

alfa_ sure

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a1fa_:

it wont output signal for me

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a1fa_:

i tried both tvs

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a1fa_:

but it works with HDMI->VGA adapter

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qfx:

alfa_ are you using the NVidia drivers?

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a1fa_:

aha

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qfx:

aha?

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a1fa_:

yes

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qfx:

Oops, my mistake, this machine is a 7100, the other one is 6600...

[03:20:46]

qfx:

anyhow: http://pastebin.ca/1318182

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qfx:

have you tried nvidia-config?

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a1fa_:

whats zapwarning

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a1fa_:

i did

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qfx:

some Suse specific thing I believe

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qfx:

well, not suse specific, but included with Suse X distribution

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a1fa_:

hm

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a1fa_:

TwinView is set to true

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a1fa_:

but nada

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a1fa_:

no DVI

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qfx:

keeps ctrl-option-backspace from killing x unless you do it twice.

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qfx:

Does it at least know you have a second screen?

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a1fa_:

hm

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a1fa_:

tv doesnt

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a1fa_:

hwinfo --monitor does not see the tv

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a1fa_:

blah

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a1fa_:

i have to use s-video again

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qfx:

I suspect it's a detection issue, it won't output DVI if it doesn't know something is attached. I had that problem as well, for me it turned out to be a cabling issue

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qfx:

What distribution are you using?

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a1fa_:

ubuntu

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a1fa_:

cable is fine

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a1fa_:

i attached another computer to the tv and it works

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qfx:

Yup, so not cabling. Try the ubuntu forums though, they're more likely to know any ubuntu tricks

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qfx:

For me, configuring the second monitor with the nvidia-config tool worked, but obviously it won't work for you if it doesn't even detect the screen

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a1fa_:

sucks

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qfx:

sorry I can't help, Just got mine going... Heck, I'm still trying to figure out how to make the flicker go away on the OSD

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qfx:

although I haven't actually looked for the solution so I haven't asked yet

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jpabq:

iamlindoro, sphery, that problem with the Last Templar is nothing new. I have seen that problem for years. I wrote a patch to "fix" it, but bruce rejected around three years ago.

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AngryElf:

I've got too much vertical overscan from my nvidia card — anyone know how to correct that?

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, I record so few miniseries that I hadn't seen it-- definitely one that cries out for a fix, though.

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, If I didn't know how jealously guarded the scheduler code is, I'd likely try to tackle the on-the-fly schedule adjustment for sports in the code, too

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jpabq:

iamlindoro: that would be cool

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, I've read the archives, though, getting anything into the scheduler is questionable :)

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phunyguy:

RATS – so much for having the 500 as a master backend

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jpabq:

iamlindoro: my patch just fudges the data as it is grabbed from schedules direct. I think bruce wanted to come up with a schedular solution instead.

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phunyguy:

it wont post with my dvico fusion card plugged in

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phunyguy:

prolly has different power requirements

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phunyguy:

I really wish this was easier.

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LanUser:

Hello – My system goes to a black screen when I exit the Music player, I just installed today's svn-fixes but it still does the same thing

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phunyguy:

argh

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LanUser:

sorry, is this just my system, my stupidity, a bug, or some nice combonitation of all of the above?

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phunyguy:

i should have known this wouldn't work.

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strex:

anyone haveing a problem getting xine 0.99.5 to work on mythdora 10.21??

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strex:

segfault core dump == bad..

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AngryElf:

is there any way to figure out what resolution and frequency my vid card is running at?

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AngryElf:

...not based on some GUI or my xorg file

[03:59:01]

RyeBrye:

for resolution – yet

[03:59:26]

AngryElf:

yet?

[03:59:29]

RyeBrye:

you can create an image that has grid lines labeled at various sizes and open it up in some imageviewer full screen and tell it to show actual pixes

[03:59:32]

RyeBrye:

err actual pixels

[04:00:07]

RyeBrye:

overscan is often an issue with the TV

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AngryElf:

that doesn't seem very accurate

[04:00:19]

AngryElf:

overscan is the issue i'm trying to fix

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RyeBrye:

How is that not accurate? knowing exactly how many pixels your display is showing?

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AngryElf:

because the tv is overscanning, i wouldn't see them anyways

[04:01:43]

RyeBrye:

right – you wouldn't see the edges, but if the top left line you saw was 20, 10 or something – you would know exactly how much overscan you are missing on the top left edge

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RyeBrye:

the setup wizard in mythtv works pretty well too

[04:02:05]

RyeBrye:

the little arrows thingt

[04:02:27]

RyeBrye:

you just bring the arrows down and it tells you how much it is adjusting it by

[04:02:43]

RyeBrye:

it's an HDTV, right?

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AngryElf:

yes

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RyeBrye:

how are you driving it? vga? dvi? dvi-> hdmi?

[04:03:34]

AngryElf:

myth works fine, but I want it to be corrected for the desktop and mplayer as well

[04:03:41]

AngryElf:

yes, dvi->hdmi

[04:04:03]

RyeBrye:

does the TV have a "just scan" option or something to adjust the overscan on the TV?

[04:04:38]

AngryElf:

no

[04:04:40]

AngryElf:

not vertically

[04:04:43]

RyeBrye:

I have two HDTV's – one is dead-on with overscan and the other overscans by about 20 to 30 pixels on all the edges even in "just scan" mode.

[04:05:24]

RyeBrye:

I haven't been bothered by the overscan in the destkop because I only use the TV for myth

[04:08:22]

magius_pendragon:

anyone feel like helping with a dual-card setup? I have 2 cards, 1 is a pvr 250, that one seems to be working okay, the other is an hvr 1600: The analog side is having issues recording at low numbered sides, and I can't configure the dvb side because the option isn't in the setup. Also, I'm not sure I set up the input groups correctly, though that seems functional. I can't switch tuners in live-tv using the Y key either

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magius_pendragon:

both hauppage cards, 2.6.28 kernel, mythtv 0.21_p18046 on gentoo

[04:14:55]

hadees:

if ivtv has been in the kernel since 2.6.22 does anyone know what media-tv/ivtv-1.2.0-r1 in portage is for?

[04:16:19]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, So is there any hope of seeing you merge your MV changes this weekend?

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magius_pendragon:

hadees: its for people using < 2.6.28 kernel

[04:17:41]

jpabq:

Gad! how I hate ESPN's "BottomLine".

[04:17:52]

magius_pendragon:

hadees: it will fail to build on any newer kernel

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hadees:

magius_pendragon, i know it says it needs 2.6.25, i just don't get why it wouldn't be limited to 2.6.22 and before since that is when ivtv was added right?

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magius_pendragon:

hadees: oh i'm not sure, I just know it started failing to build right around when ivtv became included in the kernel :)

[04:20:19]

hadees:

magius_pendragon, it was just confusing me, either it is wrong or there is something up i don't understand, either way i guess i don't need it for anythign

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phunyguy:

*sigh*

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phunyguy:

i think the 500 is officialy retired.

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** phunyguy plays "Taps" **

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phunyguy:

I've had that thing since the 90's at least.

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a1fa_:

so i cant get dvi to work, svideo works, but when mythtv starts i get lines across the screen

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phunyguy:

alfa – need your xorg.conf

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phunyguy:

pastebin it

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a1fa_:

one sec

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a1fa_:

http://www.pastebin.ca/1318260

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LanUser:

Why does the frontend crash when I exit MythMusic?

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a1fa_:

bug maybe

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a1fa_:

phunyguy: :i think its vertical refresh

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a1fa_:

800x600 just makes it worse

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jroysdon:

argh, my system all the sudden will not see my nvidia card, but keeps loading the stupid onboard vga

[04:43:38]

a1fa_:

i cant get color to work in fullscreen

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a1fa_:

on component

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jroysdon:

(but earlier today, w/o any changes, the nvidia was just fine.. it won't even show in the POST, or sometimes just for a second)

[04:52:21]

LanUser:

ok, if I set mythfrontend to use "-O ThemePainter=qt" it doesn't crash when I exit MythMusic, what are all the available painters? just qt and gl?

[04:53:30]

iamlindoro:

in .21, yes, those are the two

[04:53:52]

a1fa_:

iamlindoro: i picked up that 61" tv for $750 :P

[04:53:59]

a1fa_:

you were right about overscan

[04:54:33]

iamlindoro:

a1fa, Yeah, it needs correction for sure but the myth wizard is pretty good about it

[04:55:32]

a1fa_:

yeah got all that taken care of

[04:55:41]

a1fa_:

but video is still not filling the whole screen

[04:55:51]

a1fa_:

what checkbox would that be

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iamlindoro:

What do you mean not filling the whole screen? Are you using the internal player for everything?

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a1fa_:

i thinks so

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iamlindoro:

and...?

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a1fa_:

how do i check :(

[04:57:55]

iamlindoro:

"What do you mean not filling the whole screen? Are you using the internal player for everything?"

[04:58:00]

iamlindoro:

two questions

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a1fa_:

oh

[04:58:10]

a1fa_:

well frontend is fullscreen

[04:58:15]

a1fa_:

video is in the middle 4:3

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iamlindoro:

Use W while playing back to toggle the zoom and fill modes

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a1fa_:

how do i hard set it to autofill

[04:59:23]

iamlindoro:

Then you can set the correct zoom and or aspect override in playback settings

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a1fa_:

ok

[05:01:02]

a1fa_:

that did the trick

[05:01:03]

a1fa_:

16:9

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a1fa_:

heheh

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a1fa_:

chicks look fat

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a1fa_:

iamlindoro: what do you think about boxee

[05:06:01]

iamlindoro:

IMO It's just another XBMC fork, with some flash streaming tacked on

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cesman:

iamlindoro: let's not forget social networking ;)

[05:06:40]

iamlindoro:

+ myspace

[05:08:32]

a1fa_:

heheh

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a1fa_:

i like hulu

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LanUser:

If I'm using SPDIF out would max channels stereo/5.1 matter in the general setup? I don't get any sound with 5.1, only works with stereo

[05:08:58]

a1fa_:

thinking of dropping my $50 a month sdtv cable

[05:09:57]

a1fa_:

in exchange for account on hulu

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LanUser:

wait, sorry, nevermind, found the answer --> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 05.1;#340050

[05:15:36]

a1fa_:

aww

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a1fa_:

hulu is a little choppy

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a1fa_:

in fullscreen

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a1fa_:

awww

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AngryElf:

does lirc_serial not work on an amd64 system?

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a1fa_:

too bad hulu is choppy in linux

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a1fa_:

i guess its torrents ftw

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a1fa_:

iamlindoro: anyway to improve playback?

[05:34:35]

iamlindoro:

of Hulu? What's it got to do with Myth?

[05:35:10]

iamlindoro:

flash sucks. video via flash double sucks. And if you are perchance on 64 bit on top of that, oof!

[05:37:43]

a1fa_:

:P

[05:38:10]

a1fa_:

how do you fix overscan in X?

[05:38:17]

a1fa_:

not mythtv

[05:39:01]

iamlindoro:

you'd need to ask/read into your video card drivers

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justinh:

you know, I could sometimes swear that the same people keep coming back here eventually with the same questions

[05:41:17]

a1fa_:

i know :(

[05:41:37]

a1fa_:

i have it here somewhere

[05:41:39]

a1fa_:

tvoverscan

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justinh:

nvidia-settings ftw

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a1fa_:

but it manual labo

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a1fa_:

manual labor

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iamlindoro:

tvoverscan in xorg.conf is deprecated

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a1fa_:

i like the way mythtv and xbmc handle overscan

[05:42:25]

iamlindoro:

but you'd know that if you'd just *read* the docs for your drive

[05:42:28]

iamlindoro:

driver

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a1fa_:

should i be even running frontend in 720p?

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justinh:

but, as you'll also find out from reading the driver docs – you only get to control overscan of analogue TV output, not DVI/HDMI and certainly not VGA :P

[05:46:25]

a1fa_:

i am piping 720p out through the component

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a1fa_:

should i be running smaller resolution anyway?

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iamlindoro:

why wouldn't you run the frontend in 720p? You can do 720 via component

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justinh:

it's been a while since I had to say this last...

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iamlindoro:

unless you actually mean composite

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justinh:

use the native resolution of your TV

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a1fa_:

i think its 720p

[05:47:49]

justinh:

_think_ ?

[05:48:07]

justinh:

the world of successful HTPC configuration is _knowing stuff

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iamlindoro:

This explains the world of successful HTPC configuration being quite small :)

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justinh:

awww that HDTV looks mighty purdy. I'll get that one

[05:49:07]

a1fa_:

HL-S6165W

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a1fa_:

i guess it is 720p native

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Now google that up for him and let him know :)

[05:49:30]

justinh:

CBA

[05:50:14]

justinh:

http://tinyurl.com/dzsv5p

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iamlindoro:

I don't even have to click it to know what it is

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iamlindoro:

tinyurl is GREAT for that purpose though

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justinh:

oooo taste the rainbow!

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a1fa_:

me no clicky

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a1fa_:

goatse?

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iamlindoro:

goatse has been gone forever

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justinh:

61" & it only does 1280x720. Lord only knows what it's native res is though. that'll be in the manual

[05:52:02]

justinh:

if you're lucky

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a1fa_:

all things on google point out that its 720p

[05:54:29]

justinh:

what does the little magic book which came with the teevee say hmm?

[05:55:23]

a1fa_:

dog ate it

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justinh:

oh, it din come with no bewk. it come from some guy sellin' em cheep in the bar

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iamlindoro:

That part didn't fall off the back of the trunk

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a1fa_:

nah

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iamlindoro:

truck

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a1fa_:

it says for vga port the best resolution is 1024x768

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a1fa_:

i am connected via composite

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RyeBrye:

wait... you are connected via composite?

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a1fa_:

no

[05:57:54]

RyeBrye:

as in... Red Yellow White?

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a1fa_:

sorry component

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a1fa_:

always mix the two

[05:58:02]

RyeBrye:

Red Yellow Green?

[05:58:06]

RyeBrye:

err red green blue

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a1fa_:

red green blue

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RyeBrye:

yeah. composite I would have a fast answer for you on your resolution :)

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a1fa_:

nvidia-config does not have much to setup

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a1fa_:

resolution is set to 1280x720

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justinh:

always used to mix component/composite too IIRC. too old for new lernins :(

[06:01:07]

justinh:

1024x768 must look a bit.. blocky at 61". wowser

[06:02:05]

a1fa_:

yeah

[06:04:06]

a1fa_:

lool.. any custom resolution and things look funny

[06:04:33]

RyeBrye:

hmm... I forgot to record that Templar TV movie – was it any good?

[06:05:06]

** RyeBrye starts writing code for a little mic that hears the phrase "we should record that" and schedules recordings in myth to avoid this happening again ;) **

[06:05:19]

** RyeBrye is just kidding.. he's really a lazy piece of crap **

[06:05:59]

RyeBrye:

justinh: I finally have time right now (as in, at this moment right now) to work on some icons for you. You were primarily looking for small icons for the recordings screen? or something else?

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justinh:

RyeBrye: the whole kaboodle, but type icons for 'watch recordings' will do fine for now :)

[06:06:55]

RyeBrye:

Ok. do you have any updated tars or should I just work from the one I got earlier?

[06:07:17]

justinh:

same one. stuff has changed since the last tarball but it's all basically the same

[06:07:28]

RyeBrye:

ok

[06:07:54]

justinh:

what I'd advise you do for testing the icons is just rename them so they become visible all the time

[06:08:06]

RyeBrye:

ok

[06:08:16]

a1fa_:

aww

[06:08:19]

justinh:

i.e. imagetype name="foo" change to imagetype name="foo2" or whatever ;)

[06:08:27]

RyeBrye:

who said anything about "testing"? that's for users! ;)

[06:08:36]

justinh:

won't work for the state types though ;)

[06:08:38]

RyeBrye:

what was the name of that tarball?

[06:08:49]

justinh:

concept-wide.tar.gz IIRC

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** RyeBrye has too much crap in his downloads directory **

[06:09:01]

RyeBrye:

ok, found it

[06:09:33]

a1fa_:

so new underscan/overscan method is through modlines?

[06:10:05]

justinh:

cool :)

[06:10:09]

justinh:

breakfast time

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a1fa_:

lucky

[06:11:20]

Gumby:

can someone kick me in the head and tell me what is wrong with this.... "grant all on database.* to user@"%" identified by "pass"; "flush privileges;" user can not log in with user/pass but can log in with just user and no pass.

[06:12:35]

RyeBrye:

Gumby: is there any other rule for that user@ the hostname you are logging in from?

[06:12:46]

** Gumby checks **

[06:12:54]

RyeBrye:

I'm not a mysql expert, but I've had strange things with rules that are clobbering each other

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Gumby:

i think you might be right

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justinh:

mmm bagels

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RyeBrye:

do the themes just show "HD" or can it show a different icon for 720p and 1080i and 480i etc?

[06:22:13]

justinh:

iamlindoro: over to you.. I remember you were gunning for resolution indication

[06:22:25]

iamlindoro:

patch written and submitted and owned

[06:22:27]

iamlindoro:

waiting

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justinh:

take that as a yes for res indication then :)

[06:22:49]

RyeBrye:

ok

[06:22:51]

iamlindoro:

but working fantastically at my house ;)

[06:23:32]

iamlindoro:

#6032 for anyone interested

[06:24:04]

iamlindoro:

think gbee doesn't want to see line one of code from the PBB right now, and can't blame him for it

[06:24:11]

RyeBrye:

how about surround sounds status? That is pretty broad – does it support being split out for 5.1 / 7.1 etc?

[06:24:32]

iamlindoro:

since there's no such thing as 7.1 via cable/sat/etc., it's moot

[06:24:42]

iamlindoro:

it's stereo, or it's 5.1, the end

[06:24:50]

RyeBrye:

Gotcha

[06:24:56]

RyeBrye:

that makes it easy

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justinh:

RyeBrye: oh, and try to steer clear of registered trademarks ;)

[06:25:07]

RyeBrye:

like dolby digital?

[06:25:15]

justinh:

yup

[06:25:28]

justinh:

I can't remember how I got around that one in the past

[06:26:26]

iamlindoro:

PBB *does* call 5.1 and dolby as different states, so you need an icon to indicate both

[06:26:36]

iamlindoro:

mono, stereo, 5.1, dolby

[06:27:19]

iamlindoro:

watched, commflagging, skiplist, cutlist, bookmark, expire eligible, subtitles, assisted listening, Close Caption, 720, 1080, widescreen, and HD

[06:27:28]

iamlindoro:

And that should do it

[06:28:11]

RyeBrye:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:5_1_channel . . . d)_label.svg and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2_0_channel . . . o)_label.svg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1_0_channels_(mono)_label.svg <-- what about those kind of icons for the different states? They aren't trademarked and are pretty easily understood

[06:29:21]

justinh:

I considered them, but I wasn't sure how they'd play out

[06:29:41]

RyeBrye:

I think they'd work nicely in your theme

[06:30:02]

RyeBrye:

and they are becoming pretty standard on receivers and such

[06:30:38]

RyeBrye:

perhaps put a little "DD" in the middle of the 5.1 to represent dolby digital?

[06:30:38]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/icons.png

[06:30:41]

justinh:

eep. better get my arse in gear or I'll be 'late'

[06:31:09]

RyeBrye:

iamlindoro: is that your set?

[06:31:14]

iamlindoro:

yep

[06:31:20]

justinh:

what's the tampon for? :-P

[06:31:24]

** justinh runs away **

[06:31:28]

RyeBrye:

lol

[06:31:56]

iamlindoro:

for when I get all crampy

[06:32:05]

RyeBrye:

is the H264 status used?

[06:32:09]

iamlindoro:

oh, and an icon for AVCHD

[06:32:12]

iamlindoro:

yes

[06:32:12]

justinh:

easy to see what page you left the book at with one of them ;)

[06:32:14]

RyeBrye:

ok

[06:32:28]

iamlindoro:

but that's a full set

[06:32:32]

RyeBrye:

cool

[06:32:33]

RyeBrye:

tanks

[06:32:40]

iamlindoro:

I keep meaning to make sure HD-PVR recordings get the AVCHD flag set

[06:32:43]

** justinh gets a move on **

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RyeBrye:

are those HD 720 and HD 1080 ones industry standard?

[06:33:15]

RyeBrye:

or relatively standard?

[06:33:20]

RyeBrye:

(if there is such a thing)

[06:33:37]

RyeBrye:

is the deaf guy for CC?

[06:33:48]

RyeBrye:

oh, nm

[06:33:50]

RyeBrye:

assisted listening

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iamlindoro:

the HD720 and 1080 icons are my own

[06:34:08]

iamlindoro:

borrowing from the design of the "Hd Ready" icon

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iamlindoro:

The only ones that are non-original are the Dolby Icon, CC, and assisted listening

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iamlindoro:

everything else is my own

[06:35:20]

iamlindoro:

Assisted listening is the international deaf sign for assisted listening

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RyeBrye:

cool

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iamlindoro:

I'm rather proud fo the HD res icons and the 5.1 icon, actually :)

[06:37:02]

iamlindoro:

And subtitles and commflagging aren't bad either-- the others work but I'm not in love with

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RyeBrye:

I like the cutlist and skiplist ones – they demonstrate the idea pretty well

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iamlindoro:

yeah, simple but they work

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RyeBrye:

The Dolby Digital is used when the audio is in AC3 format?

[06:50:43]

RyeBrye:

is that correct?

[06:51:16]

RyeBrye:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_Digital#Dolby_Digital seems to impliy Dolby Digital == AC-3 ?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

"It's an advanced X-ray-- it uses carbon nanotubes to produce a 3D image"

[07:03:57]

iamlindoro:

marrrrhahahaah

[07:04:13]

iamlindoro:

good old... carbon...nanotube...x-ray?

[07:04:16]

RyeBrye:

justinh: here's a first crack at a unified set of sound icons. http://ryebrye.com/files/sound_icons.png

[07:05:15]

RyeBrye:

I'm fading out the unused channels so they are onyl very slightly there in the ones that aren't present to try to make it feel a bit like a reciever. It's using "AC-3" instead of the dolby digital DD to avoid the trademark issue – but the DD could be used just as easily

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RyeBrye:

wow. the official AVCHD logo is an eyesore

[07:10:06]

RyeBrye:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060511-6815.html (they have a version of it here)

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wagnerrp:

but its written in futuristic blocky letters

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wagnerrp:

because in the future, we have lost the ability to make broad sweeping curves

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RyeBrye:

They are protecting their trademark by making it so ugly nobody will ever want to use it

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RyeBrye:

is the H.264 AVCHD flag for HD-PVR content assumed to be HD content or would it also have the H.264 AVCHD flag and then one of the HD 720p and HD 1080i flags?

[07:26:01]

iamlindoro:

current behavior is one of HD, Widescreen, or AVCHD. By .22 the bahvior will be any or all of HD, Widescreen, AVCHD, 720, or 1080

[07:26:07]

iamlindoro:

behavior

[07:27:02]

RyeBrye:

Ok.

[07:27:19]

RyeBrye:

can the theme be set to show things such as show SD if HD isn't present?

[07:27:23]

iamlindoro:

and HD-PVR does *not* currently get the AVCHD flag turned on

[07:28:14]

iamlindoro:

no. But depending on theme design you could work around it (ie set a static image saying SD and overlay one with the HD symbol over it, assuming you didn't use any transparency)

[07:29:32]

RyeBrye:

how hard would it be to change the code to enable that kind of logic on the flags? (i.e. ability to show something if a flag isn't set) 1 hour or 1 day or 1 week?

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iamlindoro:

depends on who's doing it

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iamlindoro:

gbee has logic in mind to allow depends= attributes

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RyeBrye:

ok

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iamlindoro:

with that in place you would do <imagetype name="sdlogo" depends="!hdlogo">

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iamlindoro:

you should really ask justinh if he *wants* to show an SD icon... I personally figure people are smart enough to know it's SD if it's not marked as HD

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iamlindoro:

plus, you can inadvertantly call things SD as HD comes from the listings... and if your listings don't indicate it but it is... poof

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iamlindoro:

ie I have a ton of recordings here like tonight's "Last of the Templar" which was HD but not listed as such... so with that logic and the new resolution flags, it would be called SD 1080i

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RyeBrye:

Right. but from a consistency standpoint it's nice to have certain things stay in the same place as you scroll through – rather than have things jump around like crazy

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RyeBrye:

was the Templar show any good btw? I forgot to record it

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iamlindoro:

no

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RyeBrye:

Well I'm glad I forgot to record it then :)

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iamlindoro:

and no need to have things jump around, just dim the icon when not true

[07:34:02]

RyeBrye:

Ah, gotcha

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justinh:

RyeBrye: looking good :)

[07:55:12]

justinh:

as far as an SD icon is concerned – never seen any need for it

[07:55:29]

justinh:

at least not yet.. the majority of shows I get are still SD :)

[07:55:36]

laga:

morning!

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justinh:

haha infact all of the shows I get are SD :P

[07:55:45]

justinh:

morning laga

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justinh:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:AVCHD.svg might come in handy

[07:58:12]

laga:

justinh: it's (r) or (tm)

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laga:

according to the text under the logo ;)

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justinh:

arghhhhH! need MOARRAMS

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RyeBrye:

http://ryebrye.com/files/format_icons2.png <-- violating trademark http://ryebrye.com/files/format_icons.png <-- not violating trademark

[08:04:08]

RyeBrye:

that's the second round of revisions to the format icons

[08:04:35]

RyeBrye:

the 16:9 can be done more visually, I think – but for now that's the best I can think of ;)

[08:05:37]

RyeBrye:

to be honest, I think I've had bowel movements more worthy of trademarking than that AVCHD logo

[08:05:38]

justinh:

kerning is borked on '720p' :(

[08:05:58]

justinh:

bitstream vera?

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RyeBrye:

futura condensed

[08:06:35]

justinh:

actually it's not too hot on the '1' of '16:9' either

[08:06:53]

justinh:

who makes a whole font & then doesn't bother tidying up the kerning a tad?

[08:07:41]

justinh:

with some of the GPL fonts I've used, I resorted to manually placing letters myself

[08:08:04]

justinh:

don't worry about it too much – I can split it all up in the SVG :)

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RyeBrye:

Ok

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RyeBrye:

I'm going to head off to bed now – I think I"m tired enought to fall asleep. I can post an SVG of this stuff though. All in one file ok or would it be easier to have me split out each piece?

[08:10:25]

justinh:

either or.. no more or no less work for me :)

[08:11:18]

RyeBrye:

all in one is easy

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justinh:

I think I'd prefer them that-a-way :)

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RyeBrye:

svg 1.1 ok?

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justinh:

should be

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justinh:

I think we should start up a media centre icons repository

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justinh:

cos there's a distinct lack of _relevant_ ready to use icons out there

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justinh:

I'm starting to think that people who argue theming should be made easier are right. so what if zillions of crap themes spew out of the ether if among them a handful of really awesome ones come along

[08:18:49]

justinh:

we can crush the sucky ones :)

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justinh:

like, for effs sakes just how many effing SVG representations of Tux & distro logos do we need?!

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justinh:

and IM smileys?!

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RyeBrye:

strange – the svg parser in webkit and in firefox doesn't seem to like this svg – but here it is: http://ryebrye.com/files/format_icons.svg

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RyeBrye:

i also spat out a pdf version of it if there is anything you have that can suck the vector artwork out of pdfs: http://ryebrye.com/files/format_icons.pdf

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

svg should be fine

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RyeBrye:

I assume that the svg parser in firefox / webkit just isn't up to par

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RyeBrye:

oh.. wait

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RyeBrye:

even AI makes it look funny when it reads it back in

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** RyeBrye curses Adobe **

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justinh:

RyeBrye: don't worry about it

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RyeBrye:

it's pretty significant – the audio format icons go nuts

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justinh:

I'll scp the svg off this box & see what inkscape thinks

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RyeBrye:

ok

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justinh:

inkscape no like

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justinh:

infact it looks like it's imported it as a bitmap

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justinh:

haha no, it can all be ungrouped

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RyeBrye:

yeah, the little squares for the format icons go all over the place?

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justinh:

I can fix that in about 5 mins

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RyeBrye:

ok

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RyeBrye:

inkscape might be able to open the pdf version

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justinh:

never tried that

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RyeBrye:

http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Current_PDF_Support seems to indicate it has some kind of pdf support

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justinh:

nope

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RyeBrye:

ok

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justinh:

not the version I've got here

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RyeBrye:

I wonder if the transparency is causing issues

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RyeBrye:

I'm amazed by how crappy AI's svg export is

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justinh:

heheh. I'm not surprised

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justinh:

I'm no fan of inkscape fudging sizes either

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justinh:

no, I want it 85 pixels by 85 pixels, not 84.05467832649763287916478239

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justinh:

wonder if the rounding problems come from some kind of internal unit conversions

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justinh:

they don't seem to have ever fixed it

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justinh:

iamlindoro: you ever run into that?

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justinh:

make a 100x100 rectangle, then move it or something. suddenly the size will be 99.99435678 or whatever

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RyeBrye:

weird

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RyeBrye:

I'm off to bed

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justinh:

RyeBrye: thanks. given me stuff to work with anyway :)

[08:52:01]

RyeBrye:

np

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RyeBrye:

sorry AI's export sucks

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justinh:

even if I can't directly use the files you output I can work around it

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justinh:

yeah you should see what some packages do with .eps

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justinh:

the mythtv logo file, for example. yeesh

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RyeBrye:

http://ryebrye.com/files/ficons.svg <-- has the audio icons above the other ones at least

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justinh:

heh

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RyeBrye:

http://ryebrye.com/files/f2.svg <- slightly modified attempt, but still not great

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justinh:

wonder if the xml is just broken

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justinh:

I'll have a play

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RyeBrye:

I just uploaded f3.svg which has a bunch of extra info in it (I clicked on "Preserve Adobe Illustrator Editing Capabilities") – which might help figure out what is broken (but then again, it might just be a huge mes)

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RyeBrye:

oh. nm. the AI data is just big cdata chunks

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AndyCap:

RyeBrye: heh, you sound surprised

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RyeBrye:

well.. I was hoping

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justinh:

oh dear. futura no gpl

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Gumby:

are there any vdpau users here? My video using mythtv still seems a bit washed out when using my tuner and I was wondering if vdpau would help that or if I am just possible missing a settings somewheres

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justinh:

viddypow can't enhance video quality. it can only help by not en-suckening it

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Gumby:

lol

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Gumby:

so I can expect reduced cpu load then

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justinh:

you can expect a lot

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Gumby:

any tips on enhancing video quality then?

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justinh:

with vdpau it's not so much _reduced_ cpu load as almost entirely eliminated

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Gumby:

I have smooth playback already for the most part

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justinh:

go digital :)

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Gumby:

its dvb

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justinh:

on a monitor or a tv?

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Gumby:

tv 720p lcd

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justinh:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=pl . . . ch&meta=

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justinh:

set your output gamma properly

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Gumby:

a lot of the time shows seem a bit more washed out than they do compared to my satellite box directly to tv

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sulx:

I'm getting best result with ffmpeg+opengl

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sulx:

for SD stuff

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justinh:

muh muh muh

[10:00:45]

justinh:

set your output gamma properly

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Gumby:

I'll look into that. thanks

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justinh:

anyway wth do you mean 'washed out' ? lacking in colour? overbright? que?

[10:02:10]

justinh:

can't be bothered with the level of ignorance in this channel today. bye

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Gumby:

wow

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quicksilver:

heh

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quicksilver:

you have to learn to love justin

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quicksilver:

or loearn to hate him :)

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wertyuio:

hi

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wertyuio:

i want to serve TV to other

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wertyuio:

i m an cable operator

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wertyuio:

mythtv is it helpfull for me ?

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directhex:

mythtv is a networked PVR application

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wertyuio:

so

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wertyuio:

is it possible to serve others ?

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Dibblah:

wertyuio: Myth is probably not what you are looking for, no.

[10:31:36]

Dibblah:

Unless all of your customers have Linux PCs which are IP connected to your infrastructure with really high bandwidth links.

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wertyuio:

ok

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wertyuio:

is there any other doing that can help me ?

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wertyuio:

ok an other thing

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wertyuio:

i plan to show all channels on a website

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wertyuio:

if i use a mythtv server

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wertyuio:

is it possible that each personn who connect to my website can see several channel at one time

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wertyuio:

?

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Dibblah:

wertyuio: Ignoring legality, no. myth is not designed for that.

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wertyuio:

sorry

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wertyuio:

i don't understand

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wertyuio:

your sentence

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wertyuio:

igonoring legality of what ?

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wertyuio:

heæææææææææ

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sid3windr:

I don't think he was a cable operator. :P

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Dibblah:

I get that feeling.

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Dibblah:

Ooooh. The cheap dvb-t USB2.0 cards are based on the intel CE6230. Which has a "sales and marketing" datasheet. But the CE6231 (which appears to be the same part, just with an external data port) has a really nice full datasheet...

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phunyguy:

whee

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phunyguy:

the new backend is up and scanning channels

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d0netsFN:

hey could someone help me

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d0netsFN:

i was using mythbuntu but i was having a couple annoying issues with usb media and my mic input, so i switched back to ubuntu

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d0netsFN:

i installed mythtv from apt-get

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d0netsFN:

now im trying to create the database

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d0netsFN:

mysql> set password for 'mythtv'@'%' = password('mythtv');

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d0netsFN:

ERROR 1133 (42000): Can't find any matching row in the user table

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poodyp:

did you create the user mythtv?

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directhex:

dpkg-reconfigure -plow mythtv-database

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directhex:

or #ubuntu-mythtv

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magius_pendragon:

anyone feel like helping with a dual-card setup? I have 2 cards, 1 is a pvr 250, that one seems to be working okay, the other is an hvr 1600: The analog side is having issues recording at low numbered sides, and I can't configure the dvb side because the option isn't in the setup. Also, I'm not sure I set up the input groups correctly, though that seems functional. I can't switch tuners in live-tv using the Y key either

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magius_pendragon:

both hauppage cards, 2.6.28 kernel, mythtv 0.21_p18046 on gentoo

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thebishop:

hello

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thebishop:

is there any solution to the problem of getting 7.1 audio and accelerated graphics over a single HDMI connection?

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RyeBrye:

does spdif not do 7.1? there are cards that do spdif passthrough to hdmi

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justinh:

apparently not

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iamlindoro:

No, SPDIF does not do 7.1

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iamlindoro:

Those cards with passthrough are incapable of .71 and always will be

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iamlindoro:

for an HDMI card to be capable of 7.1/E-AC3/LPCM it'll need onboard sound hardware

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iamlindoro:

Then there's the matter of demuxing and playback of 8 channels of audio in Linux, and that's erm... *cricket*

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iamlindoro:

Which is to say there are 7.1 channel audio formats that linux is capable of downmixing to 2 channels, and those it's capable of failing entirely on. Yay!

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directhex:

i ahve hdmi audio onboard, but my kernel doesn't support it ¬_¬

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thebishop:

iamlindoro, so linux doesn't even support 7.1 codecs?

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directhex:

that's not the same thing

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nandor:

well i sorted out the DB issue on the mac frontend still barely works but better than nothing anyway

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Yeah, I see that "resizing on move" thing in inkscape too-- don't think I've ever seen it change by more than a pixel

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** iamlindoro_ struggles to understand how #6177 is a bug and not a support request **

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iamlindoro_:

gbee, justinh: Gave myself a theming vacation yesterday and did MythMovies and MythNews.... so refreshing to do something that's one simple screen and a popup :)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Oh, sure, bump *my* needs down to second ;)

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sphery:

actually, yours was 3rd... Was channel icons SG, then preview SG, then yours... Because channel icons became a bigger monster than I thought, I was going to bump it and considered doing yours first, but the preview SG should be easier, so... (Here's hoping.)

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** iamlindoro_ shakes fist **

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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sphery:

Well, let's just hope I'm productive this week...

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Solaris444:

guys, i have a problem with ivtv, does anyone know what channel i should go to for that?

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iamlindoro_:

#v4l or #ivtv

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Solaris444:

#ivtv is a non-existant channel. I just tried it.

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iamlindoro_:

so go to #v4l

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Solaris444:

ok.

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Solaris444:

that was for your information actually.

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iamlindoro_:

#ivtv *is* a channel, there may just be nobody *there*

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iamlindoro_:

#ivtv was, is, and always has been the ivtv channel

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: "Storage Groups and Slave BE" just gave your patch a bump... (It's not enough to move it ahead of the preview SG, but it's definitely above the channel icons, now.)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: :)

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sphery:

(I.e. another user having to manually edit the DB to move recordings from host to host.)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Read #6177 yet? It's "My xorg setting are wrong, MythTV she broke!"

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Solaris444:

fine. well, here's a question then. why would i be getting a segfault from my cx23416-based card when i try to scan for channels?

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iamlindoro_:

Ask in #v4l

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Solaris444:

the crash occurs in mythtv-setup

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Solaris444:

the program exits.

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iamlindoro_:

You shouldn't be scanning for channels with an analog card anyway

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: yeah, saw that... Figured danielk would be a good person to respond since he actually knows which composite settings are desired and which we require.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: NAw, not the VDPAU one

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: this is "My Video is squished"

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: to summarize in four words what is two pages

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Solaris444:

iamlindoro: ok, so if I shouldn't do a channel scan, how do i get the system to tune in to that card, because when i try to exit without scanning for channels it complains that i haven't added any channels for the video source i assigned.

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iamlindoro_:

Solaris444: This is all in the documentation, "Fetch channels from listings source."

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Solaris444:

on the mythtv wiki?

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iamlindoro_:

on mythtv.org

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Solaris444:

but... i don't have a listings source.

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: oh, wow... That's 2 very quick "myth doesn't work the way I want to configure X, but works fine if I configure it the way myth wants" tickets

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Solaris444:

there is no listing source for composite input connectors.

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iamlindoro_:

Then you're using MythTV wrong :)

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iamlindoro_:

uhhhhhhh what?

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iamlindoro_:

listings and the input connection have nothing to do with one another

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sphery:

Solaris444: I didn't read the scrollback, but this may help: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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iamlindoro_:

and you can't scan for channels *at all* on composite, anyway

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Solaris444:

I'm using composite to connect to an old vcr so i can put my old tapes into mpg format. There is no guide data for these obvious, and therefore, i set the listings source to none

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iamlindoro_:

So why would you scan for channels??

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iamlindoro_:

You can't scan composite

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Solaris444:

because otherwise mythtv setup complains.

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Solaris444:

and i could with the last system i set up no problem.

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iamlindoro_:

Uhhhhhhh no

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iamlindoro_:

I guarantee you you have never scanned a single channel on composite

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Solaris444:

you guarantee? then how come it worked? it just added all the channels automatically, so i went and deleted all but one.

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iamlindoro_:

You are misrecalling.

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Solaris444:

no, i am not.

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iamlindoro_:

Fine. Best of luck then

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Solaris444:

I am definitely not.

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Solaris444:

Look, i tell you what. How about if i take a video of my customer's system doing that, and then email it to you?

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iamlindoro_:

Not interested, good luck

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Solaris444:

ok, so wait, if it is "not possible", then clearly if i can, that's a serious bug right?

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iamlindoro_:

I think "miracle" is more apropo

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magius_pendragon:

can someone explain input groups (namely the difference between group 1 and group 2 in the setup)

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, don't care, done talking about it

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Solaris444:

lindoro, why the hell are you ALWAYS so rude?!

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jams:

apropos miracle

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jams:

miracle: nothing appropriat

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iamlindoro_:

magius_pendragon: Input groups are for multiple capture devices sharing a physical input device like a set top box-- they allow Myth to know not to use both devices at once as they share an upstream device

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Solaris444:

magius: my understanding is that if you have a multi-tuner card for example, you should have two input groups.

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iamlindoro_:

magius_pendragon: There are two of them to allow for a single capture device to exist in multiple input groups

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magius_pendragon:

so it'll fail to schedule if any input group contains both tuners?

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Solaris444:

which didn't answer his question. magius_pendragon: lets say a card has dual tuners. if you only have it in one input group, it can only make one recording at a time. If, however, the card is assigned to TWO input groups, you can make two recordings at a time, because it is dual-tuner

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Solaris444:

right magius

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iamlindoro_:

Solaris444: He asked someone to explain input groups. Which I did. Are you just trying to pick a fight because I set you straight?

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sphery:

Solaris444: you do realize that a scan for channels on composite/S-Video would yield all of /one/ channel. However, a scan for channels on composite/S-Video that employs an external channel changer would be unbounded--it would have to run for eternity (as there's no way to know how many "channels" to scan. (DISH network goes up to 10K channels. I think some DVB-S providers may go farther.)

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Solaris444:

set me straight, are you kidding? i'm telling you, i have done what you claim is impossible, and then when i offer to go out of my way to prove it, you behave like a jerk.

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** iamlindoro_ sighs **

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Solaris444:

sphery: the one i was using stopped after 63 channels.

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Solaris444:

well, 0–63

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iamlindoro_:

Anyway, dual tuner card do NOT need two input groups

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sphery:

Solaris444: and it would add 64 channels that way (as you /always/ get a valid signal from Composite/S-Video--the /only/ way to tell a difference between a channel with something on it and one without is by inspection of the image)

[16:56:12]

iamlindoro_:

they'll happily work fine in "default"

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poodyp:

Solaris444: put this miracle of yours on youtube, you'd get a million hits

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magius_pendragon:

i'm just making sure I have hte input groups right... i have 2 cards, a pvr-250 and a hvr-1600, so i have them in separate input groups. iamlindoro_ you're saying i don't need to make a 3rd input group if i manage to get the 2nd (atsc) tuner set up?

[16:57:40]

iamlindoro_:

magius_pendragon: I'm saying for most people, ignoring input groups entirely is appropriate

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poodyp:

I too would like to learn how you got channel information from an input that doesn't provile channel information

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iamlindoro_:

magius_pendragon: You *only* need them if they share a physical input device like a STB... if they're all independently plugged into a line, you can leave them *all* at the default setting (which is the Default Input Group)

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magius_pendragon:

ah thanks, that's the clarification i was missing

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iamlindoro_:

magius_pendragon: no problem, good luck

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Solaris444:

poodyp: ok well here's the setup state right now. In "video sources" I have created one called "External". The listings grabber is set to "no grabber". I have added this as the source for my cx23416-based card on the composite input. Attempting to "fetch channels from listing source" does nothing, and scanning for channels exits the program immediately with a segfault. However, the...

[17:01:06]

Solaris444:

...system is asking me to add channels to this source and complains if I try to exit without adding them. So what should I do next?

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poodyp:

you exit anyway as you have no channel data?

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Solaris444:

erm, so how then do i select my analog card in mythtv if it hasn't been assigned a channel (note, it is composite and svideo only, no analogue tv tuner). Also, I am not in the US (if that makes any difference).

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poodyp:

then you'll have to find an xmltv grabber for your area

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aBs0lut30:

hey guys, have a issue, am trying to test out the asx stream from mythweb and am getting a 500 error because it cant find the Perl bindings for MythTV(using .22 from SVN btw...) where could I try copying the files to so I can get perl to see them?

[17:16:50]

jackson__:

aBs0lut30, did you configure mythtv for use the bindings when you compiled it up?

[17:17:21]

aBs0lut30:

wow, ummm, I think so, any way I can double check?

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aBs0lut30:

errr, no I guess not... FUN we can compile again...

[17:19:37]

jackson__:

you're using ccache, right? :)

[17:20:19]

aBs0lut30:

hah, nah that would make life to easy...

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aBs0lut30:

its a fast box though if memory servers only takes about 10 to 15 min to compile

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joe2371:

Hi. I had a lot of disk activity for no apparent reason. It stopped when I brought down my NIC, which brought down mythbackend. I have installed mythtv on the box in question, but I have yet to finish configuring it. And I have not yet started to use it. What would the disk activity have been for?

[17:21:40]

sphery:

Solaris444: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/232857#232857 (which, if you read it, explains both how to set up Myth to record from a VCR as well as why you shouldn't ever even think of doing it-- http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/354701#354701 )

[17:21:59]

Solaris444:

thankyou sphery

[17:22:25]

sphery:

really, though, you don't want to do it.

[17:22:39]

sphery:

Myth wasn't designed for it and there are many other programs that are much better suited to it.

[17:22:49]

aBs0lut30:

on a side note, got any ideas why the frontend would crash when I try and play an mp3? havent really spent the time looking into it yet as I am still tweaking tv and everything, so I dont know what the error is, but it just dies as soon as I hit play

[17:23:37]

sphery:

aBs0lut30: trunk?

[17:24:47]

aBs0lut30:

yup

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sphery:

joe2371: finish configuring Myth and it will probably go away... It's likely the UPnP file scan coupled with a not-yet-configured MythVideo (meaning that it's scanning stuff it shouldn't be/stuck in a recursive loop/...)

[17:25:57]

joe2371:

ah, yes. I have UPnP disabled on my network. Perhaps that's a contributing factor.

[17:26:21]

sphery:

aBs0lut30: Then likely it works fine as long as you start mythfrontend and play the MP3 in MythMusic. AFAIR, if you play any TV, then play the MP3 in MythMusic, it crashes.

[17:26:32]

sphery:

aBs0lut30: so, it doesn't work because you chose to run trunk

[17:27:31]

sphery:

joe2371: Network config shouldn't have a big impact... By UPnP file scan, I mean mythbackend is searching for new videos so it can (/if/ it receives a UPnP request) serve them over UPnP.

[17:27:34]

aBs0lut30:

humm, dont remember if I tried to play music before working with tv... will have to give that a try when I get home...

[17:28:21]

sphery:

joe2371: though if you have multiple backends and/or separate hosts (i.e. remote frontends/backends), you may want to enable the UPnP to allow the remote systems to automatically find the master backend.

[17:28:43]

sphery:

aBs0lut30: and, really, it's playing any video (mythvideo included)

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joe2371:

sphery: Uh, I try to avoid UPnP due to the potential security issues. Won't I be able to simply use static IPs or DNS or something to enable devices to find eachother?

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Dibblah:

UPnP has limited security implication.

[17:31:21]

Dibblah:

The only misnomer that _does_ is UPnP control of firewall ports.

[17:32:01]

Dibblah:

I would doubt that you actually have UPnP disabled.

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sphery:

joe2371: yeah, you can

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sphery:

yeah, and disabling UPnP on a firewall is a good thing :)

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joe2371:

Well, I have it nominally disabled on my routers and PCs. I think my existing DVRs use it, though. Perhaps that means that it is not blocked on broadcast, or something.

[17:33:08]

sphery:

joe2371: FWIW, I think "enabling" UPnP (for finding the master backend) simply means allowing multicast pings on your network (which few networks disable)

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Dibblah:

mDNS.

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sphery:

joe2371: on the router, disabling it is disabling UPnP control of the firewall (allowing UPnP requests to reconfigure the firewall)--exactly what Dibblah mentioned is dangerous. Disabling it on the PC's probably means that you've told Windows Media Player (or whatever) not to make its videos available to other clients via UPnP.

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Dibblah:

I didn't say it was dangerous, I said it had security implications ;)

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aBs0lut30:

jackson__: just recompiled with the --with-bindings=perl and its still not finding the bindings...

[17:35:38]

sphery:

To truly disable it, you'd likely have to block ports, etc., but as Dibblah said, there's little reason to do so.

[17:36:10]

sphery:

Dibblah: OK, sorry... Should have quoted.

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Dibblah:

Sorry – I shouldn't be so pedantic :)

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sphery:

Well, I did say it differently. I really shouldn't have said, "is," so much as "can be."

[17:45:16]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: so, did you notice my comment about how I can use the SG copy/move code for the top-of-the-list thumbnails SG code. So, your patch is definitely at #2, now.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Sounds good :)

[17:51:46]

iamlindoro_:

I look forward to finishing that part up-- there's one more thing I want to add to it if I get a chance (the option to create a custom naming scheme at export time) but otherwise it's working perfectly

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iamlindoro_:

Has saved me tons of mucking around with files since I wrote it

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bbeattie:

Is there a key binding for toggling the mini players visibility if you've exited music but left music playing? Or can you only control it once a song changes?

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sphery:

bbeattie: there is

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sphery:

bbeattie: don't know what, though... MythControls would tell you.

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bbeattie:

hmm, did a check in the db and don't see anything..

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sphery:

bbeattie: silly you, the DB isn't MythControls

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sphery:

the binding isn't associated with any key by default, so you'll have to actually specify the key you want

[18:00:05]

sphery:

bbeattie: btw, it's a jump point

[18:00:54]

bbeattie:

thanks. :)

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d0netsFN:

http://pastebin.com/m3a60ad43

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d0netsFN:

any ideas?

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d0netsFN:

i just installed mythtv from repos in ubuntu

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d0netsFN:

im trying to do the creation of the database part

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iamlindoro_:

mysql's root user in ubuntu doesn't have a password by default

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iamlindoro_:

no -p

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d0netsFN:

$ sudo mysql -u root

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d0netsFN:

ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)

[18:22:01]

iamlindoro_:

actually, on further inspection looks more like mysql is screwy

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directhex:

do you have mysql-server installed?

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iamlindoro_:

probably either not running, not installed, or misconfigured

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unimaginative:

in the mythbackend log, what does "UPnpMedia: BuildMediaMap – no VideoStartupDir set, skipping scan." mean?

[18:22:49]

d0netsFN:

yes mysql-server is installed

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iamlindoro_:

means you haven't set up MythVideo yet

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d0netsFN:

iamlindoro_ i just formatted and instaled ubuntu yesterday

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unimaginative:

iamlindoro_: thanks.

[18:23:19]

d0netsFN:

i gave up on the usb media and no mic input issues

[18:23:29]

iamlindoro_:

d0netsFN: was speaking to unimaginative

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d0netsFN:

(12:22:14 PM) iamlindoro_: probably either not running, not installed, or misconfigured

[18:24:06]

d0netsFN:

i was speaking to you

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unimaginative:

iamlindoro_: I'm just browsing through the logs trying to familiarize myself with it.

[18:24:24]

iamlindoro_:

d0netsFN: And that advice is still the case...

[18:24:34]

d0netsFN:

right

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d0netsFN:

so how do i go about fixing it

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d0netsFN:

i would google but i dont know what to google for

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iamlindoro_:

"ubuntu mysql setup"

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unimaginative:

I wish I could inject lirc buttonpresses into the mysql log file. I want to know what buttons each section of the log is in response to.

[18:27:58]

GreyFoxx:

Why can't you ?

[18:28:04]

GreyFoxx:

That would be a1 liner

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unimaginative:

GreyFoxx: I wouldn't know how.

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sphery:

unimaginative: the /mysql/ log file or the /mythfrontend/ log file?

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unimaginative:

to me, the log is a file that's in use by a program. I wouldnt be able to modify a file that's already open.

[18:29:27]

d0netsFN:

ok i got mysql running

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d0netsFN:

but

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d0netsFN:

mysql> set password for 'mythtv'@'%' = password('mythtv');

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d0netsFN:

ERROR 1133 (42000): Can't find any matching row in the user table

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a1fa:

hehe.. so after getting 61" tv i decided to cancel my tv, and just use AIR

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GreyFoxx:

unimaginative: I meant modify the code

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thebishop:

last time I was asking about tuners, everyone recommended the SiliconDust HDHomeRun. is that still the go-to option for dual HD?

[18:29:47]

unimaginative:

sphery: the backend logfile, currently running in /home/mythtv/gdb/myth.log

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GreyFoxx:

Or enable -v all and you will see Selections in the myth log

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sphery:

unimaginative: lirc is a frontend thing

[18:30:13]

unimaginative:

sphery: yeah :)

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d0netsFN:

any ideas?

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sphery:

unimaginative: you'll have to look at an appropriate frontend log (with -v all, or whatever), and compare its timestamps with those in mythbackend's log

[18:30:43]

unimaginative:

thebishop: I've got an HDhomerun. I just wish I had more digital streams available.

[18:30:52]

Lollero:

Hi. Is it possible to execute external program from mythtv menu and close mythtv, and when the executed program is finished restart mythtv?

[18:30:53]

unimaginative:

thebishop: it's a little slow to tune channels though.

[18:30:55]

iamlindoro_:

d0netsFN: You can't set a password for a use who doesn't exist

[18:30:56]

sphery:

d0netsFN: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2

[18:31:01]

iamlindoro_:

d0netsFN: just use the mc.sql script

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sphery:

d0netsFN: you'll need: grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv";

[18:31:10]

iamlindoro_:

yes, follow sphery's link

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GreyFoxx:

Lollero: Not really, but you shouldn't have to

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sphery:

mysqlor similar

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GreyFoxx:

myth can execute the external app, and when the other closes myth takes control again

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sphery:

d0netsFN: but, you /must/ do the mc.sql stuff, first

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GreyFoxx:

but myth will ignore lirc/joystick/keyboard stuff while it's waiting for the other app to close

[18:32:28]

Lollero:

GreyFoxx: yes, i've found that out. But it seems that mythtv on the background reserves too much system resources

[18:32:49]

unimaginative:

my grandmother says that "it keeps freezing up", and when she presses LiveTV button on the remote (which is set as the LiveTV jump point) it comes back.

[18:32:55]

thebishop:

unimaginative, is there something you would buy instead? I'm planning to use my HTPC primarily for OTA and torrent

[18:32:57]

sphery:

Lollero: if you want to do it your way--i.e. because you're running on a system with 16MB RAM or something--you can have your external script kill mythfrontend, then run the other program, then restart mythfrontend

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sphery:

Lollero: but, if you really have too few resources, a $20 2GB stick of RAM may be a better solution

[18:34:19]

unimaginative:

thebishop: not really sure. I *like* my HDhomerun, although mythtv-setup's channel scan did not find all the clearQAM channels available, and it takes about 3–5 seconds to tune each channel.

[18:34:26]

sphery:

Lollero: and, if you're having problems with other resources (i.e. audio or video devices or ...), you just need to configure things properly

[18:34:48]

Lollero:

sphery: i'm running dual core pentium with 2 gigabytes memory with 1080P output, but the program i'm launching from mythtv is XBMC

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d0netsFN:

sphery i dont see instructions for ubuntu

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iamlindoro_:

3–5 Seconds to tune a channel is normal

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sphery:

Lollero: Oh, I see. That's you're problem, then--you're running XBMC.

[18:35:22]

sphery:

s/you're/your

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Lollero:

sphery: :)

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sphery:

Lollero: you'll have to do it with an external script and EXEC in the mythtv menus. See the existing themes for examples

[18:35:57]

Lollero:

it works fine when mythfrontend is not running on background

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GreyFoxx:

There really is no reason you can't launch both with that much ram

[18:36:22]

** sphery wonders why a MythTV user would even need to run XBMC **

[18:37:00]

sphery:

Guess it's the same reason that some people have 2 cars--a Ferrari to show off and a Camry to go to the store.

[18:37:22]

Lollero:

okay, this might be the wrong place to say this, but in my opinion you can't even compare music and video features of mythtv and xbmc...

[18:37:36]

Lollero:

mythtv for tv rocks

[18:37:52]

GreyFoxx:

If you are referring to the scrapping of the metadata (in violation of most sites tos) then yes they do that very well

[18:37:53]

unimaginative:

sphery: remember my backend segfault? Looks like I *still* didn't get a good backtrace = http://rafb.net/p/x0yFaF45.html

[18:37:54]

sphery:

d0netsFN: you'll have to take the examples you see and map them to the appropriate instructions for Ubuntu...

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sphery:

d0netsFN: Though, from what I've read here, in the last few minutes, you might be able to say that Ubuntu has a bit of a Red cast in that brown background

[18:39:06]

iamlindoro_:

Why not just install the packages and let ubuntu do all this *for* you?

[18:39:06]

d0netsFN:

huh?

[18:39:12]

d0netsFN:

me?

[18:39:21]

d0netsFN:

i have been going through the instructions

[18:39:28]

d0netsFN:

i did sudo apt-get install mythtv

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sphery:

unimaginative: looks like a good segfault to me...

[18:39:45]

sphery:

unimaginative: -fixes?

[18:39:50]

iamlindoro_:

If you did that, then there should be no need to do any of the DB steps yourself

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sphery:

s/segfault/backtrace/

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unimaginative:

sphery: sadly :)

[18:40:01]

sphery:

(no segfault is good ;)

[18:40:11]

d0netsFN:

http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

[18:40:16]

d0netsFN:

i was going through that tutorial

[18:40:19]

iamlindoro_:

DON'T FOLLOW RANDOM BLOGS

[18:40:26]

d0netsFN:

oh

[18:40:29]

iamlindoro_:

That page was last changed *ages* ago

[18:40:29]

d0netsFN:

shiese

[18:40:35]

unimaginative:

d0netsFN: some of those are hopelessly outdated

[18:41:15]

sphery:

heh... Crashing on a "sleep(10);" in the housekeeper startup code (that just waits for the rest of mythbackend to start)

[18:41:18]

directhex:

you know, if you'd just installed mythbuntu-control-centre you could have ticked the "install myth plz" boxes

[18:41:19]

iamlindoro_:

For Ubuntu, follow the Ubuntu community docs, or even better, install mythbuntu and follow their manual

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unimaginative:

sphery: oh yeah?

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** unimaginative crosses his fingers **

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directhex:

said mythbuntu-control-centre package is in the standard ubuntu repos

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sphery:

d0netsFN: mythbuntu ftw!

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d0netsFN:

sphery

[18:42:28]

d0netsFN:

dont make me throw things at you

[18:42:33]

d0netsFN:

i just formatted yesterday

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d0netsFN:

from mythbuntu

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sphery:

unimaginative: this was a SIGHUP, not a SIGSEGV, so you did a Ctrl-C?

[18:43:00]

d0netsFN:

because i was having issues with usb media and my mic input, and i couldnt get help or resolve my issue for a week

[18:43:01]

d0netsFN:

so i gave up

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sphery:

unimaginative: it's not crashing

[18:43:20]

unimaginative:

sphery: are you looking further down?

[18:43:30]

unimaginative:

there's a SIGHUP and a SIGSEGV further down.

[18:43:44]

d0netsFN:

when i run the backend setup it says cannot login to database

[18:43:49]

unimaginative:

sphery: line 4521

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d0netsFN:

thats why i startted looking up the database stuff

[18:44:11]

sphery:

unimaginative: oh, this is a /lot/ of backtraces...

[18:44:32]

sphery:

unimaginative: that makes a /lot/ more sense (as it shouldn't segfault in a sleep(10);

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unimaginative:

sphery: :)

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sphery:

http://rafb.net/p/eR4JLE97.html is much easier to work with... (Just took out the segfault bt)

[18:49:02]

d0netsFN:

how can i completely uninstall mythtv and start over

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d0netsFN:

without formating, yet again

[18:49:14]

unimaginative:

sphery: so many threads running, I don't know which one to start with.

[18:49:24]

unimaginative:

d0netsFN: package manager mabye?

[18:49:41]

d0netsFN:

yes i know

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thebishop:

unimaginative, 3–5 seconds!? that's awful!

[18:49:48]

sphery:

unimaginative: though it's a good bt, it seems to be the QString usage across threads issue .

[18:49:49]

d0netsFN:

sudo apt-get remove mythtv?

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d0netsFN:

when i reinstall it doesnt ask me the database stuff again

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unimaginative:

sphery: That's the one we spoke of earlier that was depreciated with 0.22, correct?

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unimaginative:

d0netsFN: log into the database and drop the mythconverg database

[18:50:48]

directhex:

that's because database stuff is stored in debconf, and debconf remembers values

[18:50:52]

unimaginative:

directhex: oh

[18:51:05]

unimaginative:

d0netsFN: nevermind, ignore me :)

[18:51:09]

directhex:

to reconfigure debconf, use "dpkg-reconfigure packagename"

[18:51:27]

directhex:

use the -p flag to change which priority questions are shown – -plow will show all of them

[18:51:35]

sphery:

unimaginative: basically... trunk has changed its QString handling so much that investigating these issues in -fixes is a lot of work for only a short-term benefit (as whatever we find won't be at all useful for trunk).

[18:52:13]

sphery:

unimaginative: how often does this happen?

[18:52:24]

unimaginative:

sphery: mabye once a week?

[18:52:43]

sphery:

unimaginative: is it possible to not use EIT?

[18:53:07]

unimaginative:

sphery: I didn't *use* it to begin with, but I'm not sure if it's disabled.

[18:53:28]

unimaginative:

sphery: I was about to ask if there was a workaround short of migrating to 0.22

[18:53:41]

sphery:

excellent... Go into your video sources in mythtv-setup and ensure that the "Perform EIT scan" checkbox is unchecked.

[18:53:54]

sphery:

it looks like EIT scanning is occurring on your system.

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unimaginative:

sphery: would the proper setting in mythweb do the same, or would it be better to shut down and do mythtv-setup?

[18:54:27]

sphery:

and, I have a sneaking suspicion that if it is and if you disable EIT, it will stop crashing

[18:54:33]

sphery:

shut down and do mythtv-setup

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sphery:

there's no setting for it in mythweb

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sphery:

and it requires a backend restart to take effect, anyway

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unimaginative:

sphery: okay. Let me get back to work and I'll piddle with it.

[18:55:10]

sphery:

if it's recording now, just wait until a period between shows

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unimaginative:

BBIAB, thanks.

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sphery:

good luck

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sphery:

and thanks for getting a good bt

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d0netsFN:

i still cant get all the packages to remove where if i sudo apt-get install mythtv, it asks the db stuff again

[18:59:12]

sphery:

d0netsFN: asks what DB stuff?

[18:59:21]

sphery:

for the ip/hostname of the DB server?

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d0netsFN:

doesnt it ask the db stuff during installation

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sphery:

don't know... I haven't done an Ubuntu install of mythtv...

[18:59:51]

sphery:

I'll let someone who uses Ubuntu help.

[19:00:12]

thebishop:

the ubuntu myth install is kinda misleading

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d0netsFN:

http://pastebin.com/m65df6162

[19:00:26]

d0netsFN:

i remember it asking the mysql stuff

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thebishop:

it makes you think it's ready to go, but you really need to do a lot of the database stuff manually

[19:00:29]

d0netsFN:

during the installation

[19:00:34]

sphery:

but, mythtv itself will ask for info about the ip address/hostname of the current system and the master backend and the DB host if you don't have a valid config.xml or mysql.txt

[19:01:25]

sphery:

and I'm guessing that if you don't drop the mythtv database, the packaqges won't set it up for you--i.e. after removing mythtv stuff, go to mysql command line client and use: DROP DATABASE IF EXISTS mythconverg;

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garrettn:

I live in the US and have cable. What type of tuner would be best for me? What are my choices?

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sphery:

analog or digital cable?

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d0netsFN:

damnit

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d0netsFN:

im getting this again

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d0netsFN:

ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)

[19:04:38]

garrettn:

Digital requires a cable box right?

[19:05:57]

sphery:

garrettn: Encrypted digital requires a cable box. Unencrypted digital cable is usable with any QAM-capable digital tuner (in a TV or on a digital capture card). However, using a digital tuner when you don't have the digital package may be a violation of the service agreement.

[19:06:11]

d0netsFN:

mysql> DROP DATABASE IF EXISTS mythconverg;

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d0netsFN:

Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.01 sec)

[19:06:22]

sphery:

garrettn: But if you don't know which you have, you likely have analog.

[19:06:43]

sphery:

d0netsFN: that's what it should do. now you have no myth database, so the package should set it up.

[19:06:52]

d0netsFN:

ok

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garrettn:

Ok, what is the tuner I would use for analog?

[19:07:09]

sphery:

d0netsFN: and, you should probably tell your system to find all mysql.txt files and config.xml files so you can delete them before reinstalling myth

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sphery:

d0netsFN: find / -regex '.*/$config.xml\|mysql.txt$$' -print

[19:08:29]

sphery:

might want to do a sudo so you don't have Permission denied errors

[19:09:26]

sphery:

or find / -regex '.*/$config.xml\|mysql.txt$$' -print 2>/dev/null

[19:10:09]

clever:

it only searches a few small fixed paths

[19:10:14]

clever:

(mythtv itself)

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sphery:

garrettn: for analog, I love the Hauppauge PVR-150's. I think they're out of production, and I don't know the status of the replacements, but others will (i.e. HVR-1x00 may not be supported).

[19:11:25]

sphery:

garrettn: but, you can find a lot of really good deals on PVR-150's (or PVR-500's, which are basically 2 PVR-150's on a single card) on eBay.

[19:11:39]

sphery:

clever: find / searches from the root of the filesystem

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clever:

yeah, but thats overkill and slower

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sphery:

(and will search all mounted filesystems)

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sphery:

overkill until you find that a mysql.txt exists in a location where it's sometimes used and othertimes not...

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disc-q:

can anybody tell me how and where to set the module options for the bttv module under gentoo?

[19:12:57]

garrettn:

Ok, now lets say I have analog, but use a digital tuner will I get all of the same channels as I get analog or are there some that are analog only?

[19:12:58]

sphery:

clever: if the user knows all possible locations to check, then they wouldn't need help finding them :)

[19:13:29]

clever:

sphery: just saying you could build a ls /somelongpatern/{config.xml,mysql.txt} that will show every file in an instant

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aBs0lut30:

am trying to test out the asx stream from mythweb and am getting a 500 error because it cant find the Perl bindings for MythTV(using .22 from SVN btw...) where could I try copying the files to so I can get perl to see them?

[19:14:25]

sphery:

garrettn: The cable companies are required to provide unencrypted versions of the local channels. If they provide digital, they don't (I think) have to provide analog. If they provide analog, they don't have to provide digital. All other channels can be encrypted. However, cable co's stopped encrypting analog years ago (as it's much more difficult to do it well than to encrypt digital).

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sphery:

garrettn: so, you're likely to get more channels from analog than from digital

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sphery:

garrettn: for digital, you're likely to only get the exact same local channels that you could get with an antenna (though you might not get some that aren't "must-carry's", like Fox). And, the cable company tends to lower the bitrate on the digital channels, so the quality is actually worse than you get from an antenna. :)

[19:16:13]

garrettn:

Good to know!

[19:16:24]

sphery:

aBs0lut30: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6050#comment:2

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joe2371:

I seem to have video only for a split second when switching inputs. Could mythtv be automatically turning down the contrast/brightness excessively upon input change? Pressing F doesn't seem to do anything.

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sphery:

aBs0lut30: trunk?

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aBs0lut30:

yeah

[19:17:17]

sphery:

aBs0lut30: then, yeah... I'll just assume you didn't remember that one after you saw it come across the -commits list (to which all trunk users are subscribed and paying attention)

[19:17:27]

joe2371:

It only has "Adjust Volume" as an option when I press F. :-/

[19:17:51]

aBs0lut30:

lol, well i just got the trunk setup this weekend, so just setup my subscription this morning...

[19:18:42]

sphery:

joe2371: sounds like your keybindings were remapped... Myth remembers the brightness/contrast settings, so it sets them, but it should do it before any video is displayed. Likely a different problem causing the blackness (like using the wrong playback profile group--you probably want Slim)

[19:18:53]

garrettn:

sphery: Is the WinTV-PVR-500 what I'm looking for with dual analog or is that different from the PVR 500?

[19:19:20]

sphery:

garrettn: yeah, the Hauppauge WinTV PVR-500 is the dual-tuner PVR-150

[19:19:33]

sphery:

I think there's one from another company that you do /not/ want.

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joe2371:

sphery: Set to "Video Playback Profile: Slim" ?

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sphery:

that's good... Don't know what would cause the issue, then

[19:22:29]

joe2371:

no, that was a question. It was set to CPU+

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joe2371:

Also, it looks like the brightness controls were locked out via a checkbox. I'll try again...

[19:23:10]

sphery:

joe2371: yeah, you want Slim. Don't use CPU+ or CPU++

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aBs0lut30:

sphery: ahhh, much better thanks

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disc-q:

Can anybody tell me how and where to set the module options for the bttv module under gentoo?

[19:24:10]

sphery:

joe2371: and, yeah, I know you didn't choose them. The default is supposed to be Normal--though I argue that it /should/ be Slim--but there's a bug that causes it to use CPU+ by default (which is why I'm not arguing enough to get it changed :).

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sphery:

joe2371: the brightness controls are locked out for video cards that don't support them (i.e. NVIDIA GF6x00 and above)

[19:25:14]

sphery:

you'd have to have a GF5x00 or below for it to work

[19:25:51]

garrettn:

Are there any analog network tuners similar to the HDHomerun?

[19:25:59]

iamlindoro_:

nope

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joe2371:

ah, well, they work, sortof. I find that that I have a faint, greyscale image over S-VIDEO that was completely invisible until turning the brightness up.

[19:26:46]

justinh:

ouch

[19:26:55]

justinh:

your setup is screwed then. royally

[19:27:10]

justinh:

or your card is

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sphery:

joe2371: what video card?

[19:27:13]

justinh:

or your tuner is

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sphery:

or is this PVR-350?\

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joe2371:

Heh. Therein lies the rub. It is the so-called "PVR-250MCE" Blackbird Rosslyn. ;-)

[19:28:31]

justinh:

ah the roslyn blackbird

[19:29:06]

justinh:

the wink seemingly indicates you know its background

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joe2371:

I have known its background for quite some time now.

[19:29:30]

sphery:

joe2371: so that was probably the /recording/ picture controls (hit G in LiveTV), and not the /playback/ picture controls (hit F in LiveTV)

[19:30:04]

justinh:

so are you talking about brightness of recorded (or 'live') video or the VGA TV out in general?

[19:30:49]

justinh:

ah. just read some scrollback

[19:31:11]

justinh:

sounds like the issue is the ivtv driver

[19:31:55]

joe2371:

Perhaps I'm not loading all of the firmwares properly.

[19:32:05]

joe2371:

Or I should try the mpeg output

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justinh:

what mpeg output?

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** iamlindoro_ blinks **

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justinh:

you mean you're using it as a v4l framegrabber?

[19:33:10]

joe2371:

If I knew excatly what I was doing, I wouldn't be having this trouble, no?

[19:33:25]

justinh:

the default setting in mythtv-setup is _wrong_ for mpeg2 encoding cards

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justinh:

i.e. the user has to change it to "MPEG2 encoder"

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joe2371:

Well, I'm using /dev/v4l/video0. video1 is the mpeg output.

[19:34:06]

justinh:

ruh?

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joe2371:

The encoder output

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justinh:

so use that

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garrettn:

How easy is it to not allow someone on a frontend to setup records, but allow them to watch anything?

[19:34:58]

justinh:

garrettn: unpossible without hacking the code

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jams:

suppose you could remove the watchtv and watchrecordings entry from the menu

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sphery:

garrettn: and if you do make the patch for it, many people would love it... There was a Google Summer of Code project to do it, but it didn't get finished.

[19:35:52]

sphery:

(remember GSoC is supposed to be equivalent to a full-time job for the summer, so it's not a small project)

[19:35:57]

justinh:

jams: probably not enough since a user could schedule recordings from the guide

[19:36:04]

sphery:

or from MythWeb

[19:36:39]

sphery:

but that's the closes option for now

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sphery:

closest

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IainG:

Hello. I'm after some help tracking down why Myth only wants to use one of my encoders.

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IainG:

It's a Hauppauge WinTV Nova-T 500 PCI, and I've proved both adaptors with tzap and friends.

[19:38:48]

justinh:

IainG: did you add two tuners in mythtv-setup or just the one?

[19:39:06]

IainG:

Two. And mythweb backend status shows 2 encoders.

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justinh:

because a dual tuner card is TWO tuners as far as mythtv is concerned :)

[19:39:19]

jams:

oops i read that backwards, nevermind

[19:39:23]

dustybin:

I have something I want to record, it has a dashed line around it, i think that means its been recorded before so this will not record? however, this hasnt been recorded before, i selected 'forget old' but it still will not record?

[19:39:35]

IainG:

But it won't schedule anything on encoder 2, just shows a conflict.

[19:39:51]

justinh:

IainG: 2 encoders != 2 tuners

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joe2371:

So I cannot watch the mpeg encoder output live? I have to record some and then playback?

[19:40:29]

garrettn:

To make sure I'm not confused... If I had 5 frontends connecting to a backend with 5 tuners, each frontend could watch a separate channel... correct?

[19:40:34]

justinh:

IainG: that's multirec.. the default setting of 2 encoders per digital tuner.. you can have up to 5 to record more than one channel on the same multiplex

[19:40:45]

IainG:

Ah – OKies.

[19:40:58]

IainG:

My capturecard table looks like http://www.anchovy.durge.org/stuff/capturecard.txt

[19:41:01]

justinh:

garrettn: yup. or they could all watch recordings instead of wasting their lives channel grazing

[19:41:11]

IainG:

I'm guessing now that I need more entries in it.

[19:41:21]

justinh:

IainG: nope

[19:41:25]

justinh:

IainG: looks fine

[19:41:45]

justinh:

IainG: did you assign a video source to the 2nd tuner?

[19:42:32]

justinh:

input connections.. make sure both tuners are assigned a 'video source'

[19:42:39]

garrettn:

justinh: So what if all 5 frontends are on the same channel, are all 5 tuners still being used, or is only 1?

[19:42:46]

justinh:

garrettn: five

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IainG:

They're both on the same source_id

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garrettn:

Is there any way to have it only use one?

[19:43:13]

justinh:

garrettn: nope

[19:44:31]

garrettn:

Is there any way you could have one tuner record the live version and watch the recorded version a minute behind realtime with all 5?

[19:44:45]

justinh:

garrettn: sure

[19:45:00]

justinh:

in 'watch recordings' mythtv defaults to showing the livetv group

[19:45:00]

IainG:

http://www.anchovy.durge.org/stuff/videosource.txt if that helps.

[19:45:16]

garrettn:

Can you watch a recording while it is recording?

[19:45:20]

joe2371:

Does C cycle only through tuner inputs? Is there a different key to select or cycle through encoder outputs?

[19:45:59]

IainG:

The thing is – I know I've had myth using both in the past, and then I mounted an assault on the channel table to dedup the scanned and the xmltv channels.

[19:46:24]

justinh:

IainG: dvb_diseqc_type is NULL on the 1st tuner but 0 on the 2nd

[19:46:44]

justinh:

garrettn: yes you can

[19:46:49]

joe2371:

oh, wait... did I need to restart mysql after modifying inputs in mythbackend?

[19:47:04]

justinh:

joe2371: no, just mythbackend

[19:47:14]

IainG:

So it is.

[19:47:19]

IainG:

I wonder what that does.

[19:47:22]

IainG:

*prod*

[19:47:29]

justinh:

look in the backend log IainG

[19:47:29]

garrettn:

justinh: So if I only had 1 tuner multiple frontends could watch the same live show if it is being recorded, correct?

[19:47:44]

justinh:

garrettn: live stuff is being recorded

[19:47:51]

justinh:

all of it is

[19:48:16]

justinh:

just that only one frontend will have control.. so if somebody changes channels... poof!

[19:48:48]

joe2371:

Hmm. I still don't seem to be able to see the output of the MPEG encoder. :-/

[19:49:31]

justinh:

livetv is entrenched in the 20th century. you can use a powerful & flexible scheduling system, so why be bound to watch shows when 'they' want you to watch them? ;-)

[19:49:42]

IainG:

Oooh – it's claiming two recordings.

[19:49:50]

** IainG pins a gold star to justinh. **

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justinh:

IainG: dvb_diseqc_type wrong for you then? never seen that before

[19:50:17]

sid3windr:

justinh: sometimes you don't want to wait? :P

[19:50:17]

joe2371:

Well, I'm trying to configure inputs. That's a pretty good reason to need to watch live tv, if you ask me.

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justinh:

also dunno how you mangled that one

[19:50:34]

justinh:

sid3windr: 30 seconds, one minute? pfft

[19:50:41]

dustybin:

imagine one of these beasts for your HD storage: http://www2.multithread.co.uk/mtcshop/images/ . . . 7D_front.jpg

[19:50:41]

gbee:

sid3windr: what? wait 3 seconds for it to appear in the recording list?

[19:50:50]

sid3windr:

hm. :]

[19:50:51]

IainG:

So you mentioned the possibility of more than one encoder per tuner, if I understood you.

[19:50:55]

sid3windr:

didn't think of it like that ;)

[19:51:16]

justinh:

IainG: the default is two encoders per tuner with dvb cards :)

[19:51:20]

sid3windr:

although you'd have to have it configured to record it beforehand

[19:51:20]

sid3windr:

but yes, good point :P

[19:51:47]

justinh:

IainG: you can have up to five per tuner, easily hacked to give you more if you compile it yourself ;-)

[19:51:47]

IainG:

And that Just Works?

[19:52:15]

justinh:

IainG: if 2 channels with shows scheduled to record are on the same DVB multiplex/tranponder, yeah!

[19:52:24]

IainG:

OK. Is there something to go off and read about that?

[19:52:35]

** Dibblah is forlornly trying to bruteforce discreet codes for his TV :( **

[19:52:38]

justinh:

search the wiki for multirec

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Dibblah:

The only thing to be aware of with multirec is that it drastically increases scheduler runtimes.

[19:52:59]

IainG:

Splendid. tvm

[19:53:02]

Dibblah:

Oh.

[19:53:42]

justinh:

Dibblah: if my athlon 800 can handle 10 at once from one card..

[19:54:06]

garrettn:

Is it possible to rip a dvd I own and store it on the backend so it can be played from any frontend in my house?

[19:54:29]

justinh:

garrettn: are you just trying to avoid reading a features list or what? yes

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garrettn:

justinh: Sorry I figured it would be quicker to ask here. You have a link to the documentation on dvd to mythtv?

[19:56:07]

** sid3windr just sees the new myth site, congrats, looks very nice :) **

[19:56:53]

justinh:

how the **** do people find this irc channel yet manage to miss the website & docs?

[19:58:05]

garrettn:

nm, found it. I was on mythbuntu's site not mythtv :P

[19:58:48]

dustybin:

justinh: watch the ****, this is a family channel

[19:59:08]

justinh:

dustybin: **** ***

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dustybin:

LOL

[19:59:21]

justinh:

how was work?

[19:59:39]

dustybin:

it was like going back in time, the kind of artworking i done about 8 years ago

[19:59:41]

garrettn:

justinh & others: Thanks for the help!

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dustybin:

letterheads, business cards, comp slips

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dustybin:

nice and easy

[20:00:10]

** justinh wonders if a job like that would pay his mortgage **

[20:00:20]

justinh:

might beat driving into the middle of nowhere every day

[20:00:23]

dustybin:

i walked 4 miles to work, took 50 mins

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dustybin:

also walked 4 miles back

[20:01:00]

justinh:

heh. making money & getting fit

[20:01:12]

justinh:

til you've made enough to buy a car :P

[20:01:14]

dustybin:

indeed, im doing it more for the exericise than the job

[20:01:18]

sid3windr:

hm – new website anchor links bork a bit :(

[20:01:28]

dustybin:

i do have a car, ill use that for when it rains

[20:01:37]

** dustybin checks myth weather **

[20:02:03]

dustybin:

tuesday looks okish

[20:02:06]

sid3windr:

dustybin: weather for #mythtv-users is sunny with an occasional dark cloud surrounding justinh ;>

[20:02:17]

dustybin:

and iamlindoro_ LOL

[20:02:40]

justinh:

sid3windr: when I stay out of the lab where the other tech plays utterly depressing music...

[20:02:43]

justinh:

sunshine!

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sid3windr:

I thought you confiscated the ipod and cut the speaker wires and..

[20:03:12]

justinh:

he was playing 'classic' Marc Almond today. given up playing the game of breaking the speakers

[20:03:16]

carpenike:

hello, are there any slim mythtv frontends for Linux to use on a workstation? IE: I want to use my laptop/desktop to connect to my MythTV box and watch recordings or live TV... Do I need the full myth install for that?

[20:03:28]

justinh:

carpenike: no. you have mythfrontend or else

[20:03:58]

justinh:

XBMC is alleged to work but I've yet to see any evidence of it. no livetv with that though

[20:04:02]

justinh:

and it's hardly light

[20:04:50]

carpenike:

Ok. How light is mythfrontend/

[20:05:21]

carpenike:

Meh. Looks like the installer pulls in MySQL.

[20:05:45]

justinh:

only a client

[20:05:54]

sphery:

carpenike: mythfrontend is light... mythfrontend themes may not be light. On my system: mapped: 543996K writeable/private: 295740K shared: 19540K

[20:06:05]

joe2371:

So am I to understand that the recent inclusion of roslyn blackbird devices into the kernel is not an indication that my hardware can now be made to work?

[20:06:45]

justinh:

joe2371: if you can't make cat /dev/$mpegdevice > test.mpg and produce a working mpeg2 file with video & audio ... er nope

[20:06:51]

sphery:

so, basically, it's using 290MB of RAM that wouldn't be in use if I weren't running mythfrontend, but then again, I run mfe at 1920x1080, so the vast majority of that is the very large uncompressed images held in RAM for the theme

[20:07:05]

sphery:

(that's with the wonderful theme called neon-wide, BTW)

[20:07:23]

justinh:

woo somebody uses it!

[20:07:30]

sphery:

If you want a low-memory frontend (a.k.a. ugly frontend), use Iulius

[20:08:20]

sphery:

then again, 256MB of RAM costs, what? maybe $0.08 today?

[20:08:50]

sphery:

($20/2GB, so actually $2.50)

[20:09:06]

sid3windr:

oogly frontend

[20:09:23]

sphery:

(and that's closer to laptop RAM prices than desktop RAM prices)

[20:09:56]

joe2371:

justinh: hmm. guess I should pull the drivers out of the kernel and rebuild as modules. Then I can experiment with loading firmware from userspace. I had been hoping mythtv would help me send the appropriate ioctls to configure and tweak the tuners. But perhpaps not.

[20:10:07]

** iamlindoro_ gives sid3windr the Willis T. Davidge award for citizenship **

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iamlindoro_:

That's right, let it sink in

[20:11:03]

poodyp:

the cheapest I can find a stick of DDR ram is $8

[20:11:08]

dupondje:

What is the cause of: 2009-01–26 21:08:33.775 GetEntryAt(-1) failed. ?

[20:11:16]

poodyp:

but then 512 is 10 dollars...

[20:11:16]

dupondje:

LiveTV doesn't want to start in frontend

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poodyp:

and 1g is 12

[20:11:33]

iamlindoro_:

The cause of that is someone reading the frontend log when they should be reading the backend log

[20:11:36]

sphery:

all these people talking in #mythtv are making it hard to keep up /and/ work on my patches...

[20:12:05]

joe2371:

Perhaps I should just start shopping for better supported tuners, though. Since I have so little use for analog-only ones.

[20:12:51]

dupondje:

[20:13:40]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: what does "perhaps you should run mythtv-setup and make sure it's got stuff like video sources and channels defined" mean ? :P

[20:13:54]

joe2371:

FWIW, if #mythtv was renamed #mythtv-dev and #mythtv-users was renamed #mythtv, then users would find help quicker, without bothering the devs quite so much.

[20:14:12]

justinh:

joe2371: FWIW, if people stopped suggesting that we'd all get along much better thanks

[20:14:16]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: It means you are a non-native speaker or learning-challenged for asking!

[20:14:31]

sphery:

joe2371: there are some good deals on PVR-x50's on ebay...

[20:14:36]

iamlindoro_:

Basic literacy and attention to the scrolly messages for the win!

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sphery:

joe2371: I was actually talking about the dev talk in #mythtv (that I'm trying to read to keep up with what's happening in Mythland)

[20:15:20]

** iamlindoro_ brandishes his whip at sphery **

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sid3windr:

iamlindoro_: seems I have missed the pun :p (and didn't see enemy mine with willis *e* davidge) :P

[20:15:24]

thefRont is now known as thefront

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iamlindoro_:

sid3windr: Then you are missing out on the joke :)

[20:15:49]

sid3windr:

yeah, looks like :P

[20:16:00]

iamlindoro_:

you ooooogly face!

[20:16:13]

sid3windr:

is it something I should put on my to watch list?

[20:16:24]

iamlindoro_:

*shrug* I like it, anyway

[20:16:36]

sid3windr:

:)

[20:17:02]

sphery:

Is Willis T. Davidge the brother of Willis E. Davidge? I think I remember stories of lots of confusion at the house while growing up.

[20:17:22]

** iamlindoro_ unleashes a horde of screaming Dracs on sphery **

[20:17:25]

justinh:

anyway I think if #mythtv was renamed #mythtv-dev there'd still be idiots wandering in there claiming that their problems are -dev related

[20:17:51]

justinh:

aaaaaaaaaand xbmc now plays its startup sound before crashing. progress!

[20:18:04]

sid3windr:

:]

[20:18:18]

justinh:

before reinstalling it, it just used to crash

[20:18:52]

joe2371:

There are two kinds of people in the world; those who try to discover and present a solution to a problem when they become aware of it, and those who know better.

[20:19:14]

sphery:

justinh: yeah, the people accidentally asking -users questions in #mythtv aren't really the problem--they say, "oops" and you can skip it really fast. It's the people who get into long-drawn out arguments about how their question is so advanced/their setup is so unique that "only a dev would know the answer" or that "well if it doesn't work the way I want with the configuration I have, it must be a bug" that are annoying.

[20:19:36]

justinh:

there are two kinds of people on this network. those not on my /ignore list.. and the others :)

[20:20:11]

sphery:

the problem with /ignore is that it's a blacklist... I want my whitelist!

[20:20:16]

** joe2371 wonders if that was meant to be a clue of some kind... **

[20:21:31]

justinh:

I'm calling it my 'redlist'.. as in the people on it make me see red

[20:21:57]

sid3windr:

=)

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joe2371:

Sounds like I may need to bite the bullet and buid a new box for a server. I see some promising, and inexpensive tuner cards, but they tend to require pci express. :-/

[20:22:41]

sphery:

gbee: what's writable/private in output of: pmap -d `pidof mythfrontend`

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justinh:

lol

[20:23:18]

sphery:

joe2371: just be careful to get one that's supported in Linux (and Myth)

[20:23:35]

NeoMatrixJR:

!bot eit

[20:23:45]

justinh:

seems my *neo* filter didn't catch that one

[20:23:46]

NeoMatrixJR:

what's the !thingie's name

[20:24:01]

NeoMatrixJR:

:P

[20:24:17]

justinh:

!trout NeoMatrixJR red-pill

[20:24:17]

** MythLogBot slaps NeoMatrixJR with a red-pill trout on behalf of justinh... **

[20:24:45]

joe2371:

sphery: thanks. Those are the devices I've been looking at. I think I saw a hauppauge one for about $50 on newegg that had some user reviews that leave me hopeful.

[20:24:50]

sphery:

So I wonder if justinh wouldn't see my comment if I talked about my Neo FreeRunner....

[20:25:00]

justinh:

sphery: only filters nicks

[20:25:16]

NeoMatrixJR:

...slaps justinh with a justin trout for having the same name as me....

[20:25:31]

sphery:

phew! Just in case I need to tell you something about it.

[20:26:13]

gbee:

sphery: sorry, missed that

[20:26:26]

NeoMatrixJR:

ok, so for why I'm really here. Does anyone know a way to force an EIT update?

[20:26:50]

justinh:

are all people called justin assholes? I thought I had some kind of exclusivity

[20:26:59]

joe2371:

heh

[20:27:04]

sphery:

gbee: well, I put it in the "not really important enough for #mythtv" channel... Probably would have been most of it, anyway (as I can't imagine anything except images taking up that much space).

[20:27:22]

justinh:

NeoMatrixJR: you can't force an EIT update. EIT stuff gets updated as & when the crawler finds new info

[20:27:25]

sphery:

NeoMatrixJR: TRUNCATE TABLE program;

[20:27:35]

sphery:

then restart the backend(s)

[20:28:30]

justinh:

that's really not a good idea though, cos if no updated info is being broadcast, it still won't be any more up to date than before the truncate

[20:28:43]

sphery:

(my comments being the other way of saying, "You can't force an EIT update. EIT stuff gets updated as & when the crawler finds new info," with the added, "so you can truncate the listings to make it all new info." )

[20:29:32]

justinh:

EIT is updated when it's updated

[20:29:34]

justinh:

or not

[20:30:12]

sphery:

Yeah, I agree... I wouldn't do it. But that's*** the only way to force Myth to get new info. (***Actually, a cleaner approach is deleting the Video Source, then re-creating it, then re-connecting it, then re-scanning for channels, then restarting all backends, but it was easier to say TRUNCATE...)

[20:30:12]

NeoMatrixJR:

yes, but I have it set up so the ATSC/QAM tuner is online online when it's asked for. Is there any way to force it to activate the QAM tuner and run an update (other than tuning into a QAM channel from a frontend)

[20:30:13]

justinh:

it can take quite a while for the program table to be populated using EIT, so it could be a moot point anyway

[20:30:56]

justinh:

NeoMatrixJR: saving a couple of watts? hmph

[20:31:08]

NeoMatrixJR:

I'm running a Pinnacle 800i ATSC/QAM/NTSC tuner. has to be setup like that or analog tuning don't work

[20:31:26]

NeoMatrixJR:

Myth reactivates the QAM and the analog gets lost

[20:31:26]

sphery:

NeoMatrixJR: do you mean Passive EIT Scanning or do you mean you shut down your Myth box when it's not recording?

[20:31:31]

** justinh condemns all hybrid tuners to the wastebin **

[20:31:45]

NeoMatrixJR:

passive EIT I guess.

[20:31:52]

sphery:

Actually, I think that would mean "Open DVB cards on demand..."

[20:31:56]

NeoMatrixJR:

yes

[20:31:59]

sphery:

got it...

[20:32:00]

NeoMatrixJR:

that's it.

[20:32:04]

justinh:

yeah it'll only be updated when myth _can_ use the card

[20:32:24]

sphery:

so, Myth decides when it needs to... If you restart all the backends, it will reset the counter.

[20:32:59]

justinh:

I once advised somebody to schedule a 'dummy' recording once in a while on his digital tuner. set it to keep a max of 1 recordings.. solved :)

[20:33:56]

justinh:

roll on the analogue switchoff I say

[20:34:03]

justinh:

hurry up already :)

[20:34:04]

NeoMatrixJR:

that *should* work. I schedule a 10 min recording on a digital channel.

[20:34:48]

NeoMatrixJR:

analog switchoff won't effect me too much. cable is transmitting ntsc & qam, so I need both still.

[20:34:57]

justinh:

meh

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sphery:

Danger, Will Robinson!!! "VDPAU support on 0.21-fixes" on mythtv-dev list.

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justinh:

bah not made it to gossamer yet

[20:36:43]

sphery:

Q: "What's the best way to distribute it?" A: cp vdpau.patch /dev/null && rm vdpau.patch

[20:36:47]

joe2371:

sphery: I found it again. I think that one of the several versions of the HVR-1250 looked promising. Digital seems to be supported fairly painlessly with the prospect of analog eventually.

[20:37:12]

justinh:

heh yes it is

[20:37:37]

justinh:

"I am working on backporting the VDPAU changes on 0.21-fixes" :-O

[20:37:40]

jpabq:

Sounds like a great idea! Lets add a HIGHLY unstable feature to the stable version of Myth.

[20:37:43]

sphery:

joe2371: TTBOMK, with that one (and any HVR-1xxx, you'll have to wait until v4l supports analog, /and/ you'll have to wait until Myth supports analog through the HVR-1xxx

[20:38:32]

sphery:

justinh: did you find it? http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2009-January/064345.html

[20:39:07]

justinh:

he did it? oooooo damn

[20:39:32]

joe2371:

sphery: That assumes I intend to use its analog inputs, though. Are you suggesting I will not be able to use the digital capabilities of that card with MythTV?

[20:40:14]

dustybin:

My 4 tuners (2x Nova-T 500) setup is _powerful_ stuff, 2 tuners are kept free for live TV only (the same ones are always used). The other 2 tuners use multirec x 6. It doesnt matter what i record, everything gets recorded :D

[20:40:27]

sphery:

btw, in case the guy working on it is in here, I'm not knocking your willingness to work on it or the fact that you want to help, but I /am/ knocking the idea of making it available to the general public. There are enough people causing enough problems trying to run with VDPAU on trunk.

[20:40:55]

sphery:

joe2371: I was talking abuot the analog side, only. Whether the digital side works, I couldn't say (as I haven't used any of those cards).

[20:41:17]

justinh:

sphery: plus the added noise of clueless dolts trying it might harm the chances of vdpau coming out of beta

[20:41:25]

sphery:

right

[20:41:30]

jduggan:

sphery: thats foss! share what you create! aslong as he supports it himself.. ;P

[20:41:53]

sphery:

I think nvidia is having a tough enough time filtering the signal from the noise with the reports they're getting

[20:42:12]

sphery:

jduggan: yeah, it's that latter part that people tend to forget.

[20:42:22]

sphery:

:)

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jgoulah:

`/wc

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sphery:

So, what are the reasons for VDPAU? 1) High def H.264--conceded (at least for now), 2) low-cost frontend--uh, how much does a Core 2/modern-Athlon system cost these days? maybe $200 (if you don't do your homework) so, erm, no. 2) low-power frontend--wait, so decoding on a 34W GPU versus decoding on a 65W Core 2/modern Athlon (or less, if you want) we'll naively assume that the whole 30W differnce in TDP is used, so figure 4 ...

[20:48:41]

sphery:

... hrs of actual playback per day at $0.15/kWh we're talking $0.018 per day = $0.54/mo = $6.50/yr, so, erm, no.

[20:49:08]

sphery:

so, why can't people (at least people in the US) just wait a bit.

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dustybin:

its 2009 and i still use a CRT for my TV :D

[20:49:49]

sphery:

If I could get a 67" or larger CRT, I would seriously consider it.

[20:50:03]

sphery:

Oh, wait, that's called SED/NED, right? :)

[20:50:20]

dustybin:

i <3 the picture of my CRT, especially with my keene VGA > RGB SCART convertor box

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sphery:

I love the picture of my 19" CRT monitor. It puts my LCD monitors to shame--but it's a lot harder to carry around, which is why I've since purchased 2 LCD monitors.

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jams:

sphery- forgot to figure in cooling noise

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sphery:

(and, that's a 19" CRT via VGA)

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sphery:

jams: ok, I have to admit that I don't know how loud the cooling fans on a Core 2/modern Athlon are... mainly because I don't put the computer in the same room as my TV. :)

[20:53:00]

sphery:

still, though, I'd say that someone who wants a quiet frontend box should wait until 0.22 is released

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jams:

it's the usual. Stock is fairly loud 3prd party can be silent.

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jams:

clean_upgrade

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jams:

ignore that

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sphery:

cool, so if there are 3rd party coolers that are quiet, then waiting is still an option (even if they can't/won't put the computer in a different room)

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sphery:

Oh, and for those US users wanting Blu-Ray playback, there's alway using an external player (MPlayer) until Myth is ready for VDPAU.

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GreyFoxx:

hehe VDPAU ported to -fixes

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clever:

vdpau doesnt sound like a fix :P

[21:07:10]

GreyFoxx:

oh joy.gonna be lots more "this doesn't work for my WAREZ " now :)

[21:07:16]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

It's not official :)

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: yeah, my comment (in here) was: Q: "What's the best way to distribute it?" A: cp vdpau.patch /dev/null && rm vdpau.patch

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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a1fa_:

crapz ;)

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GreyFoxx:

One thing I do notice with VDPAU is that the scaling to me looks much nicer than xvideo even though I would have assumed under the hood they would use the same process

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GreyFoxx:

and of course the VDPAU output renderer just looks nice because of the fullscreen OSD

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Chutt:

GreyFoxx, scaling's different, yes

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clever:

subpixel rendering could actualy be rendered on screen

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GreyFoxx:

so I started getting the final touches of the video streaming going on the weekend and hit a "family" emergency which turned into a time sucking blackhole :)

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clever:

since the decoder knows the true output res

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GreyFoxx:

I've had something odd happen recently I can't explain though. some video files (h264 mkv's) will start reporting tons of GetnexstFrame returned a busy frame type errors and the onscreen output looks like crap..... reboot the box and it plays without those errors

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GreyFoxx:

and the output looks perfect

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RyeBrye:

justinh: fwiw I loaded inkscape 0.46 and it opens the pdf version I uploaded and the stuff isn't all jacked up – just one fo them is slightly jacked up

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RyeBrye:

oh. nm

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RyeBrye:

even that one isn't slightly messed up

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RyeBrye:

it's all good.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

The OSD is Beautiful in VDPAU... ;-)

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directhex:

i mainly want a newer kernel with hdmi audio support

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iamlindoro_:

I want a pony

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iamlindoro_:

(had to be said)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

I want a wife that... <well, nevermind...>

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RyeBrye:

justinh: http://ryebrye.com/files/format_icons_inkscape.svg

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justinh:

nice thanks :)

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WiFi:

hello guys

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justinh:

RyeBrye: I've got that version here & it wouldn't open the pdf. weird

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WiFi:

would myth be good for a 4 channel security dvr?

[21:32:38]

justinh:

WiFi: nope

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RyeBrye:

justinh: maybe it's a platform thing. I'm using the mac version

[21:32:43]

justinh:

heh maybe

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WiFi:

damn

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justinh:

WiFi: you need zoneminder

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RyeBrye:

justinh: in any case – did that svg I just put up work for you?

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WiFi:

is that a package ?

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justinh:

RyeBrye: yup :)

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justinh:

WiFi: just google it

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RyeBrye:

justinh: Although I should be doing normal work right now, I'm going to try to finish off a few more of the other icons to complete the set

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WiFi:

we are a paranormal group and need something like this to use

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justinh:

RyeBrye: no rush, no need to put yourself out too much :)

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WiFi:

ok justin

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RyeBrye:

justinh: yeah, but those other icons are so ugly I am compelled to finish :)

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justinh:

WiFi: zoneminder has stuff like activity detection you'll find very useful

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WiFi:

that be it ...thnx

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** sphery thinks http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual should die (as it seems to be a completely out of date/user-editable version of to http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html ) **

[21:37:53]

Josh_Borke:

WHOA! i just saw the website changed

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Josh_Borke:

gbee: nice job on the site :-)

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Josh_Borke:

xris: nice job on the site

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mag0o:

well, we know who doesn't follow -users

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mag0o:

:)

[21:39:22]

laga:

i don't

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laga:

because it makes my head hurt

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Josh_Borke:

it's too high maintenance for me to follow it

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Josh_Borke:

that and i mostly use my subscription to -users as a local searchable repository, instead of having to dig up an online copy

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** xris wishes more international users would go fill out the SD survey. **

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xris:

I think I may make a separate blog post about it...

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xris:

nice thing about the new site is that it has an RSS feed

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ruskie:

what SD survey?

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sid3windr:

schedulesdirect?

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ruskie:

mmm love the site design...

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ruskie:

ahh... I don't use that service... and the survey wants cookies to work... so that's a double no thanks

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** kormoc laughs **

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sid3windr:

I think the first one is actually intended. :P

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kormoc:

Because the cookie uses up so much disk space...

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sid3windr:

that was a quick survey indeed.

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** sid3windr currently uses mc2xml. **

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sid3windr:

and would happily switch to SD if available...

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justinh:

sphery: some of the wiki manual is great

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justinh:

esp. the daily use section

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BuffyNZ:

Can anyone tell me where the symbol rate being used by my DVB-S is stored in mysql?

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sid3windr:

multiplex table

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justinh:

dtv_multiplex

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sid3windr:

yea, that.

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** sid3windr had much fun editing it by hand due to broken broadcasters both on dvb-c and dvb-t **

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justinh:

there be dragons. change stuff at your own risk

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BuffyNZ:

Cool, thanks!

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sphery:

justinh: so it's not just an old version of the HOWTO?

[21:52:40]

justinh:

sphery: nah

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justinh:

sphery: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Daily_Use

[21:54:24]

justinh:

delete the mythphone section & it's about up to date :)

[21:54:44]

BuffyNZ:

The frequency in that table, is with the LNB offset subtracted?

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justinh:

BuffyNZ: don't think so

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sphery:

justinh: Then it's more complex... it would need updating where it's excepts from an old HOWTO (i.e. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Storage_Groups#Storage_directories , which is the redirect from a search for Storage Groups--and, yeah, the link should actually be http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Storage_Groups#Storage_Groups , but the enture Storage Groups section is the old HOWTO section that users complained about because it didn't ...

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sphery:

... explain that local vs remote is the #1 deciding factor and whether space is available is the least important factor) http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#ss9.1 and scroll to Storage Groups for the right info.

[21:56:08]

sphery:

s/excepts/excerpts/

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justinh:

so, we need more coders, more artists, more bug triage folks, and documentation peeps

[21:57:09]

justinh:

and ponies

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BuffyNZ:

And cake?

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iamlindoro_:

always ponies

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sphery:

yeah... I think xris is working on a way to get the Official docs into the wiki with an optional user-editable overlay.

[21:57:55]

sphery:

then, perhaps we can move the extra parts (such as daily use) into the official docs

[21:58:33]

sphery:

I just hate that the wiki's User Manual doesn't reference the official stuff.

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sphery:

so it seems "official", and it's out of date

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clever:

sphery: i patched my storage groups to take free space at higher value

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sphery:

clever: I know, but there's no need to say that in the official docs. ;)

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clever:

it will prefer local(like normal) until its near the autoexpire limit (to prevent expiring unfairly)

[22:04:00]

clever:

but we could allways commit my patch to trunk :P

[22:05:20]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch is considering doing something to allow different ways of optimizing storage usage, but your patch wuold actually cause a lot of problems for many users--i.e. those who are using SG code for the purpose for which it was designed (optimizing I/O bandwidth).

[22:06:06]

sphery:

and, since the /right/ fix for your configuration is to occasionally move some files to your remote storage (to keep it always full)...

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clever:

but problem i can see with the original method, it will prefer a local group with 5gig on autoexpire

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sphery:

or, really, I should say, "to keep space available on your local drives"

[22:06:29]

clever:

over a remote group with 5gig deleted(higher prio expire)

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sphery:

right

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sphery:

so, move some recordings off the local drives to make room on them so you don't have to expire stuff

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clever:

to solve that i would need to figure out what prio every file is

[22:07:04]

clever:

and put all the autoexpire stuff on the 'local' drive

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sphery:

if that's the case, then it's specifically your configuration that's wrong...

[22:07:24]

clever:

so that it has all the expirable stuff in 1 place, and can pick it fairly

[22:07:47]

sphery:

create a storage group for recordings made from rules that don't autoexpire, then it will be filled with stuff you like

[22:07:57]

sphery:

if that sg has only remote dirs, it will be used

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clever:

ahh that might work

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clever:

until i delete things

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sphery:

then for recordings in the default sg, you can use local/remote dirs

[22:08:23]

clever:

then it becomes 'autoexpire' files in a never expire directory

[22:08:43]

clever:

bbl, food

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sphery:

if you use the Deleted recgroup, then yeah, you'll have recordings that are allowed to expire in that dir, but they /will/ autoexpire them when they need to (i.e. when it's recording a show whose SG is "Archive"--or whatever you called the SG for shows to not autoexpire)

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sphery:

clever: ^^^^

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sphery:

clever: because Myth will look at all dirs in that SG and find only remote dirs, then it will look to see which ones are in use, then it will choose to see if either has space without requiring autoexpire, then it will see it needs to autoexpire on that drive

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RyeBrye:

justinh: here's a rough go at some of the other icons related to the state of the video tagging (cutlists, comflagging, etc) http://ryebrye.com/files/film_icons.png

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gbee:

interesting take on it

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RyeBrye:

justinh: I have some ideas on how that could be done – for instance, each icon could be set up in such a way that it would seemlessly connect to the other icons in the series – so if a recording was both comflagged and bookmarked and cutlisted – it would look like one continuous filmstrip with the different notes on it... (Or it could be split up like it is on that screenshot)

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iamlindoro_:

Which one is the clothespin one?

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RyeBrye:

I wanted the icons to somewhat reflect what they actually stand for – not represent the words that represent what they stand for (i.e. instead of showing a flag with a dollar sign to represent the "comflag" – just show somethign that represents what comflagging does – which is mark where the commercials are)

[22:18:44]

RyeBrye:

The clothespin is for bookmark – but obviously I failed because you had to ask

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iamlindoro_:

No, they're nice I wasn'y trying to be insulting, I just didn't know

[22:19:13]

iamlindoro_:

er wasn't

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iamlindoro_:

It should have occurred to me

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RyeBrye:

iamlindoro: I'm not insulted – but I think you are right – the clothespin isn't immediately obvious what it represents... for isntance... is it holding up the filmstrip? and what does that represent... etc – I toyed with other ways of markign the filmstrip to show what the bookmark was

[22:20:58]

RyeBrye:

Ooh – one idea could be that I could have a little clip of paper or something on that clothespin.. maybe that woudl make it seem more like it was there to mark a position in time...

[22:21:57]

RyeBrye:

hey gbee – how hard would it be to have the themeing engine be extended so it could grab actual frames of the show and put them in those filmstrip clips dynamically for each show?

[22:21:59]

iamlindoro_:

The heart is sometimes used to represent a bookmark, might appear on the paper

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** RyeBrye is kidding, of course ;) **

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gbee:

RyeBrye: actually not that difficult, less a case of the ui lib and more changing the screen to fetch etc, but whether it would be worth doing? :)

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gbee:

but you've given me an idea that I'll shamelessly steal as my own

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RyeBrye:

gbee: yeah, it wouldn't be worth it – it would actually make it quite ugly to use actual frames

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RyeBrye:

the filmstrip? go ahead

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RyeBrye:

you could steal the actual svg files if you wanted

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RyeBrye:

gbee: did you see some of the other ones I cooked up for justinh last night?

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RyeBrye:

iamlindoro: would a paperclip be more immediately obvious than a clothespin do you think?

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RyeBrye:

I thought about a paperclip initially but then my gut reaction was "Nooo! that will scratch the film!" ;)

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clever:

lol

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RyeBrye:

http://ryebrye.com/files/format_icons3.png are the ones I was workign on last ngiht

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justinh:

RyeBrye: I'm actually going with animated icons for 'in progress' type stuff

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justinh:

they're in /animated at htt://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/

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dustybin:

justinh: do you like blenders GUI? it reminds me of something what might of been created in 1991

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justinh:

dustybin: sore point

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justinh:

and speaking of sore, I have a blinding headache, so I'm going to bed

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RyeBrye:

is this the link? it doesn't seem to load http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/

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dustybin:

IE

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dustybin:

here we come http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7852340.stm o_0

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gbee:

RyeBrye: cool, no, I hadn't seen those

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gbee:

RyeBrye: thinking about a variation on Terra with the screenshots in mythvideo/Watch Recordings sitting in a filmstrip

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gbee:

as far as the graphics, I've already got a filmstrip I created for metallurgy

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RyeBrye:

gbee: that might be cool

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RyeBrye:

is Terra your theme?

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** RyeBrye might have to bite the bullet and start writing his own theme one day **

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gbee:

until they tear it away from me

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gbee:

nothing special, but it's been relatively quick to put together and serves to demonstrate just some of the possibilities and how different things can look compared to the old theme/ui code

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oobe:

i havent heard of terra is it new

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gbee:

helped to stop me going crazy having something else to work on besides code

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gbee:

oobe: will be the new default theme in 0.22

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oobe:

oh nice

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oobe:

i dont like GANT

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gbee:

well you might dislike terra even more ;)

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oobe:

lol ok

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oobe:

as long as there are the familar ones around still

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oobe:

people have been talking about 22 for a while now

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oobe:

i heard it will contain a script that downloads tv episode metadata for mythvideo

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_watchrec4.png http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_viewchange.png http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_menu3.png http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_popupmenu.png http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_vidbrowse.png http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/terra_videomanager.png http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/terra_upcomingrec3.png http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/terra_

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gbee:

watchrec_w_backdrop.png

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gbee:

still very much a work in progress

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RyeBrye:

gbee: yeah, I'm familiar with it... I'm actually running it on one of my frontends :)

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gbee:

suspect I pimp those screenshots too much and that there are a few eyes rolling ;)

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RyeBrye:

Ahhh! sideways is in your mythvideo list... That movie made me wish terrorists would have attacked the filght I was on when they played it

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oobe:

that looks heaps better than gant

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RyeBrye:

yes. Gant is... well... tailored to a specific taste that very few people have

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oobe:

i thought the idea of gant was somthing that will run on any system

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gbee:

nah, that would be Iulius

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gbee:

gant is actually a resource hog in comparison

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oobe:

just being default theme i figured thats why they chose it

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oobe:

i couldnt see any other reason

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gbee:

but when picking a default theme a few years back, gant was the best of the bunch!

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oobe:

wow

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oobe:

i would hate to see the others

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gbee:

better themes came along, but no-one bothered to change the default

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directhex:

oobe, you want leafers-wide.

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sid3windr:

gant is the grey one with the orange text?

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RyeBrye:

gant has the big crayon drawings

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sid3windr:

dunno man

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sid3windr:

I use a sexy one :p

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sid3windr:

blootube-wide I think

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sid3windr:

by this strange and longforgotton juski fella

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oobe:

i never heard of leafers-wide

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oobe:

have they made a version of terra for 0.21

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oobe:

or only 0.22

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oobe:

who made terra

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fuxxy:

bleh, my dualboot ubuntu+Vista broke when I installex x64, I need to find my ubuntu cd to reinstall the bootloader.

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oobe:

you installed x64 vista?

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fuxxy:

oobe, on my laptop, yeah.

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oobe:

i tried it once

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fuxxy:

I need to get into my ubuntu partition so I can run mythtv-setup in a ssh -Y terminal.

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oobe:

on your laptop?

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fuxxy:

oobe, yeah.

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oobe:

so what you are saying is you broke your mbr on you laptop and you want to reinstall grub

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fuxxy:

oobe, that's what I plan on doing, correct.

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oobe:

yeah sounds like a good plan

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oobe:

this will work http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24113

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oobe:

i used to need it a lot

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fuxxy:

oh, wow, thanks for the guide

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oobe:

wait read comment 5

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sphery:

any SQL experts here who know if it's possible to do a single query that's the equivalent of: SELECT dirname FROM storagegroup WHERE groupname = 'foo' AND hostname = 'bar'; and /only/ if no records match, do SELECT dirname FROM storagegroup WHERE groupname = 'foo'; (i.e. so hostname is used if it applies, but ignored as a fallback)?

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oobe:

the guy who started the thread was a newb

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oobe:

comment 5 is what i use

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oobe:

not the first one

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fuxxy:

oobe, yeah, I was going to restore grub via command line, no need to reinstall the entiere system.

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oobe:

yeah i think he wasnt reinstalling the system just grub but with the installer which is a bit dangerous and laborious

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fuxxy:

thanks, reboot time, I may be back for that guide once more :)

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bmoll8:

i'd like to backup my mythtv installation. I will be doing a database backup and a .myth backup. However, how does one restore? If I restore the database, and move the conf files back to home on a new box, will that be sufficient? Or will I have to run myth-setup again

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kormoc:

should likely read the manual chapters on backing up and restoring

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sphery:

oh, kormoc is in...

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carpenike:

Some of the channels on my Mythbox have a fuzz line on the top of the screen, i read somewhere that that's a result of VBI(?)... How do I fix that?

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bmoll8:

kormoc: i'm looking at them right now; the manual recommends backing up the database

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carpenike:

It's when viewing channels through my Hauppauge card.

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bmoll8:

kormoc: however, if one installs mythgames and a remote, one will have conf files as well; these are not addressed by the manual

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kormoc:

sphery, indeed I am!

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kormoc:

sphery, only during normal business hours until the intertubes get hooked up

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pike_:

why cant we have flat files with little xml files containing metadata and stuff for each mpg or avi :)

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sphery:

kormoc: do you know of a way to SELECT dirname FROM storagegroup WHERE groupname = 'foo' AND hostname = 'bar'; and /only/ if no records match do: SELECT dirname FROM storagegroup WHERE groupname = 'foo'; (i.e. use the hostname only if we can, otherwise fall back to a global def)

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xris:

sphery: stored procedure/function

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kormoc:

Sure, use a ifnull(dirname, (SUBQUERY))

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xris:

kormoc: subquery like that can't return a list, only single results

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kormoc:

He's going for a single result, no?

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xris:

ah

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sphery:

it would have to be a list (technically, though, I want distinct dirname)

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sphery:

Best I've done is: SELECT groupname, hostname, dirname FROM storagegroup WHERE groupname = 'foo' AND hostname LIKE IF((SELECT count(*) FROM storagegroup WHERE groupname = 'foo' AND hostname = 'bar') > 0, 'bar', '%');

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kormoc:

Could do two joins I bet

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sphery:

(actually, though, Only need dirname

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kormoc:

ooh!

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kormoc:

let me try something real quick

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sphery:

yeah, that's ugly... probably runs the select count(*) for every row in the table or something

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fuxxy:

well, looks like I've got ubuntu back.

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fuxxy:

Hopefully I havent borked Vista x64

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sphery:

kormoc: it is /possible/ to restructure the code (it's a recursive call to a function that keeps throwing away info, but has 1 piece that is needed after being thrown away in one condition), but I was hoping for the least changes to the code.

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** kormoc nods **

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** kormoc ponders **

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