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Sunday, January 25th, 2009, 00:06 UTC

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laga:

justinh: it'll take some time to learn blender, but it'll be worth it. don't give up

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laga:

night.

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captain_:

howdy howdy

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captain_:

got a bt848 card, can't record any sound — sound comes in through motherboard's CD-In port, what /dev device do I use for that in the mythtv setup?

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captain_:

other than that, seems to be working great, love the mythtv graphics

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jroysdon:

How do I know what remote I have? MythDora4/MythTV0.20 just auto-detected it for me last time. It is a remote that came with the PC I have which is an HP that came with WinXP MCE, but doesn't look like any of the photos in the setup wizard

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jroysdon:

The remote says "RC6" on the back

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J-e-f-f-A:

jroysdon: It's the HP MCE remote — it's the MCEUSB2

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captain_:

yay!

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captain_:

now, someone has to know how to get mythtv to record sound that's coming in the motherboard's CD-In port...

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smidgin:

anyone able to help with video card choices for a mythtv box?

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notyjoey:

nvidia so i hear

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smidgin:

yes, for the linux drivers

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Dagmar:

Google can help you

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smidgin:

google ain't done much so far

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smidgin:

i'm trying to figure out what line, i need

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Dagmar:

If you bought ATI, you can start by taking it back to the store.

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smidgin:

is the 8xxx series OK?

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Dagmar:

That's a very impressive number there.

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smidgin:

looking at an 8500GT now, but want to make sure i'm taking load off the CPU

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captain_:

i'd pick an nvidia card, really.

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captain_:

or just use something with onboard intel.

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Dagmar:

"G84, G86, G92, G94, G96, GT200, G98, MCP77, MCP78, MCP79, MCP7A

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smidgin:

Yeah, I'm going nvidia because of the better drivers for linux

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Dagmar:

One of those nVidia models

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sid3windr:

viddy POW!

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Dagmar:

Those are what do VDPAU.

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smidgin:

ok, so I need something that does VDPAU? That's evidently the link I was missing in my understanding of what cards do what

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Dagmar:

This depends.

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captain_:

anyone use mythtv with a tuner card that has to feed sound in through the motherboard?

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Dagmar:

Any modern CPU should have no problem with SD content, and SD content is typically MPEG which requires XvMC for accelleration

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Dagmar:

7xxx are the final line that actually supported XvMC

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smidgin:

we're having troubles with the HD content playback

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Dagmar:

captain_: Such cards are to be avoided at all costs

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Dagmar:

smidgin: FOr that you'll probably want a VDPAU-supported card

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captain_:

oh, i know! just trying to get this old hardware running for fun.

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captain_:

had an old ixmicro bt848 card that I used on MacOS9 AGES ago — trying to get it to work on mythtv.

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captain_:

_almost_ got it working.

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captain_:

tuner works fine, video's good, just need it to record sound from the cd-in.

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Dagmar:

You have fun with that

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captain_:

HURR

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smidgin:

OK, that makes sense now. I didn't know what to look for in cards. Now I do

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smidgin:

Thanks for the help

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captain_:

i'm like 90% there — just trying to see if the experts on here have tried it before, I'm sure someone here knows.

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Dagmar:

smidgin: So what it boils down to is whether or not the 8500GT uses one of those core types

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Dagmar:

captain_: It's more accurate to say "we know better"

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smidgin:

yeah, I can check on that now that I know what to look for

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Dagmar:

THe wiki explains how to do what you want

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smidgin:

back to our friend google

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J-e-f-f-A:

captain_: You need to set the right audio input in mythtv-setup for the card. ^^ wiki is a good reference.

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captain_:

aye, been looking here and there while i'm on IRC.

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Dagmar:

smidgin: I've been goggling actually and the info isn't considered very important by a lot of people, but Wikipedia was where I was headed next since there's so many people editing there who are detail junkies

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captain_:

I just need to know which device to set in the backend setup, is all.

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smidgin:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Vdpau has a list of the relevant cards. combined with newegg, I should be able to find one

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Dagmar:

The wiki says exactly how to set up sound.

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J-e-f-f-A:

captain_: It varies per machine I think... I've never used a framegrabber w/myth myself. I've got Haupppauge PVR cards.

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captain_:

aye, just trying to keep this box as cheap as I can get by using an old card, heard linux and mythtv was the way to go if I didn't want to spend tons on a new card and WindowsMCE.

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Dagmar:

That chart is not accurate

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Dagmar:

It very much glosses over the differences between various versions of each model number.

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Dagmar:

...and I suspect it's just dead wrong about GeForce 8800 GTS 512

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Dagmar:

The first 8800's were based on the G80

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Dagmar:

...which is utterly not listed on http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . endix-h.html

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Dagmar:

Here we go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_8_Series

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Dagmar:

That lists the core types

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captain_:

what's the quick terminal command to see if I'm running pulseaudio, anyone know?

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Dagmar:

The people in your distribution's channel can tell you.

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captain_:

yeah, sure they could, if there was anyone there.

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Dagmar:

Probably a sign you should use a distro with some support

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captain_:

jesus, you're just the biggest farking party pooper in the damn world.

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captain_:

Are you here to offer help, or to turn people off from using linux?

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Dagmar:

And you're apparently the laziest newb on freenode at the mopment.

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Dagmar:

Your point is?

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captain_:

My point is you should never get a job in any kind of support role, though I don't think it's been a problem with your life, something tells me.

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Dagmar:

I'm HERE TO TRY TO TELL YOU WHERE YOU'LL FIND ANSWERS.

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captain_:

yeah, i'm on the damn wiki page right now checking how to set it up.

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captain_:

and coming here to ask a question every now and then.

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captain_:

seems right.

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Dagmar:

I know jack and squat about pulseaudio, and I don't give a crap about it either, but I'm the only person here who was willing to suggest somewhere you COULD FIND AN ANSWER.

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Dagmar:

So STFU.

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captain_:

oh yeah — putting up with snobby linux users.

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captain_:

i'm doing lots of that.

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Dagmar:

Because CLEARLY, you're too stupid to be able to figure this stuff out for yourself.

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Dagmar:

If you were you'd be asking about distribution/implementation-specific things in #Ubuntu

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Dagmar:

...and you'd be asking questions about things specific to MythTV in here.

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captain_:

...instead of the mythtv channel.

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captain_:

man, this is just making tons of sense.

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Dagmar:

Yes, this is because you've assumed you already know everything, so no one can tell you you're wrong.

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Dagmar:

Welcome to the ignore list, snotty little noob

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captain_:

ah, no one ever has to wonder why the Year of Linux will never happen, eh?

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Dagmar:

Someday we'll get those orbital strike lasers in and then no more loud-mouthed newb nonsense

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captain_:

Your ignore filter isn't working, apparently.

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captain_:

READ THE WIKI

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iamlindoro:

This really isn't a room of evangelists... we mostly don't care if anyone uses myth/linux/etc. But I haven't read the scrollback so that's not meant as a jibe :)

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iamlindoro:

captain_, I believe running alsamixer ought to be enough

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captain_:

THANK YOU.

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iamlindoro:

usually with pulse you'll just see a single volume knob

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captain_:

at least I know where to start now.

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iamlindoro:

(assuming it's pulse with the alsa layer installed)

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captain_:

Aye, i'm just not used to using XFCE, which is what I'm in now.

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captain_:

learning it minute by minute.

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: It's that primitive?

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captain_:

some call it easy.

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, It's not primitive, it's just that it provides a mixer to each app to overall apps like alsamixer don't know what to make of it

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iamlindoro:

er so overall

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captain_:

Which is good, if you want your stuff to be adopted.

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captain_:

trying to look to see what sound controls I can see in XFCE, doesn't really have much of anything, but then I guess that's the point of XFCE

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Dagmar:

Actually, now I'm wondering why it is that it can intercept the sound layer so alsamixer doesn't show it's uaual stuff

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iamlindoro:

captain_, I notice you mentioned XFCE, are you running mythbuntu?

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: watch out, if you suggest he ask a question in another channel he'll bite you

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captain_:

yeah, figured it would be easiest with the most using it, learned that's not necessarily the reality

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iamlindoro:

Was just going to say if so I know for a fact there's no pulse audio unless you specifically install it yourself :)

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iamlindoro:

ok, so you shold be pulse-free

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captain_:

well, THANK YOU. that actually clears things up some.

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captain_:

I'll try ALSA:default, then.

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iamlindoro:

also note that Mythbuntu's freenode channel is actually #ubuntu-mythtv, which might account for empty channels if you went to #mythbuntu

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iamlindoro:

ALSA:default is usually the right choice for most

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captain_:

oh yeah, been in ubuntu-mythtv for a while, empty place.

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iamlindoro:

oh well, just checking

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captain_:

thought there'd be more people here — was trying to keep my questions generic at best.

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captain_:

distro-non-specific and all that.

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dustybin:

has anyone got any patches what will make my mythtv crash like the old days?

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Dagmar:

Umm... You could try dd if=/dev/random bs=3 offset=$RANDOM of=/usr/bin/mythbackend

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dustybin:

thanks :D

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Dagmar:

Run that three or four times and you should be able to get some crashss

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Dagmar:

OooF! I forgout! count=1

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, you yourself are the ultimate MythTV crash patch

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Dagmar:

You absolutely want that

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iamlindoro:

If I wanted Myth to crash I'd just invite you over for tea

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Dagmar:

Without count=1 you don't get little holes, you get what is much more like a binary circumcision

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dustybin:

logcheck is excellent, i dont need to manually check my logs anymore, if something bad happens it gets emailed

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dustybin:

Dagmar: do you use a special email account for logs, and application messages etc?

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Dagmar:

NOpe. I have Gmail.

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dustybin:

Dagmar: aye ok

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Dagmar:

There is no limit to the perversities er complexitites of filtering it allows

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dustybin:

nice

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kambei:

I am experiencing a problem where MythTV fails to record (or engage Live TV) properly. Sometimes it works after a second attempt for Live TV, but the recording only tries once. Is there a way to make to make the backend attempt to record again if it fails the first time?

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Dagmar:

kambei: Umm... No. Generally you want to fix whatever is wrong with why it can't record reliably

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kambei:

Dagmar: Okay. Thank you.

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kambei:

Is the HD Ringbuffer setting still honored, or is it depreciated?

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Dagmar:

Never heard of it

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Dagmar:

Feh scratch that, I just reazlied you mean hard disk. The ringbuffer is long gone

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kambei:

That's what I thought. Thanks.

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jroysdon:

Ack, after the initial setup, and me choosing the wrong remote, how do I get back in to change the remote control type?

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kambei:

jroysdon: Distro?

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jroysdon:

kambei, MythDora 10

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jroysdon:

It had a custom web interface popup for the initial setup (before mythtv-setup) – I think it was custom to MythDora 10

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jroysdon:

(4 didn't have it, anyway, but that was MythTV 0.20)

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kambei:

Not sure about that

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kambei:

It was probably configuring the lirc package.

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jroysdon:

yup

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jroysdon:

but I picked mce5usb, not mce2usb :/

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J-e-f-f-A:

What the heck is mce*5*usb ?

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kambei:

I would ask in #fedora what the "dpkg-reconfigure" equivalent is for Fedora.

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phunyguy:

prolly yum

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phunyguy:

something to do wqith that

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phunyguy:

OR

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kambei:

True.

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phunyguy:

rpm

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phunyguy:

just google command line args for rpm

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kambei:

jroysdon: You are going to want to do something to the effect of "yum-reconfigure lirc"

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phunyguy:

I was a redhat/fedora user for a few years but hated the package management

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phunyguy:

it used apt as well

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phunyguy:

but it still stunk

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jroysdon:

yum rocks now

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jroysdon:

repos play nicer

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phunyguy:

aptitude is even better

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phunyguy:

;)

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phunyguy:

with *ubuntu

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phunyguy:

in fact if able i would highly recommend switching

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kambei:

No need to start a distro war.

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jroysdon:

Heh, keep your distro and your opinions to yourself. I'm a RH or die kinda guy

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kambei:

jroysdon: I guess you want to ask how to "yum reconfigure lirc"

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jroysdon:

Ok, lsusb shows my IR is Philips eHome Infrared Receiver

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jroysdon:

(so perhaps not mceusb2?)

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iamlindoro:

opposite

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iamlindoro:

that is mceusb2

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jroysdon:

odd, doesn't work though

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iamlindoro:

Likely/possibly as simple as adding the USB ID to the code and recompiling

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iamlindoro:

to LIRC, that is

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jroysdon:

Never had to in FC6/MythDora4, but then it just auto-detected the whole thing.

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iamlindoro:

with the same receiver?

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jroysdon:

Yup

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jroysdon:

When I look at /etc/lircd.conf, it says the name is mceusb

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jroysdon:

Is that correct?

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jroysdon:

(or should it be mceusb2)

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iamlindoro:

hm.. dunno what to tell you, though, that's a mceusb receiver

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iamlindoro:

they were merged last I checked, but if mceusb works instead, more power to you

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jroysdon:

heh, it doesn't work ;-p

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jroysdon:

But I picked mce5 during the end of the MythDora10 install, so if I could just get back to that setup, argh.

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jroysdon:

Perhaps this will solve it: http://www.mythdora.com/?q=node/4239

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jroysdon:

Plus, I have a backup of /home/mythtv and /etc before I upgraded, so I'll just compare files and hope it is just a config error

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jroysdon:

looks like /etc/lircd.conf are the same. Hrm

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jroysdon:

lirc_mceusb2 and lirc_dev are loaded...

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phunyguy:

are there batteries in the remote?

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phunyguy:

<3

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jroysdon:

lol, thanks, yes. The red led on the sensors shows when I press buttons as well

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jroysdon:

Is there a simple lirc test/debug that can run ?

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iamlindoro:

mode2, then if that works, irw

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iamlindoro:

mode2 then press buttons, if you see junk the driver is fine

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iamlindoro:

irw, then press button, then if you see button names your lircd.conf is fine

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jroysdon:

press buttons works with mod2

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iamlindoro:

ok, so your driver is working

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iamlindoro:

now try irw

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jroysdon:

irw gets me nothing

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iamlindoro:

so your lircd.conf is wrong

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iamlindoro:

find and download one for your remote

[02:18:03]

iamlindoro:

and put it in /etc/lirc/lircd.conf

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iamlindoro:

then restart lirc and try again

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iamlindoro:

failing that, you can record one with irrecord

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jroysdon:

But I compared it to my old one before the new install, and it was the same. Ok, so how do I find the right one? What do I google on? HP mce usb2?

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iamlindoro:

HP doesn't matter

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iamlindoro:

possible the lircd.conf has somehow become corrupt-- did you move it to/edit it on a windows system in the meantime?

[02:19:06]

iamlindoro:

also possible your distro keeps it somewhere else now

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iamlindoro:

anyway, dinner

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phunyguy:

imalindoro

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phunyguy:

mode2 can be decieving

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phunyguy:

i had the wrong driver

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phunyguy:

but junk still outputted to the screen

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phunyguy:

it was "half" wrong

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jroysdon:

argh... well, the driver I have is mce_usb2, and it loads

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phunyguy:

but yeah if you get NOTHING then its a good indicator of it not working... just dont trust when you get output that it is 100% correct

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jroysdon:

(I'm going to reboot, and also try unplugging the sensor to see if it loads w/o the sensor plugged in)

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phunyguy:

hmm

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jroysdon:

lol, yeah, something is.... err, well, somewhat helpful

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phunyguy:

do you have more than one sensor?

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unimaginative:

What do you guys think , XFS or JFS for recordings filesystem?

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phunyguy:

XFS...

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iamlindoro:

phunyguy, The driver *cannot load* if it does not match the USB IDs hard coded into it-- it's the correct driver.

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phunyguy:

well maybe i was a different case – i have a commandir with the sensor and blaster in same USB connection.

[02:24:33]

phunyguy:

...because my driver was incorrect.

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phunyguy:

:|

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MrCollins:

ok I have some questions

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MrCollins:

I am doing a cost analysis for mythtv or mythbuntu

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cesman:

the software is free

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cesman:

next question

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MrCollins:

Is there a good 'guide' I can follow that will tell me like the best tv tuner cards that I need

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iamlindoro:

cesman, heh

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cesman:

are you looking to capture SD, HD or DVB?

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MrCollins:

I know the software is free, just the hardware involved and tuner cards.... I just want to know to make my life easy dealing with tv tuner cards in linux

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MrCollins:

what is dvb?

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MrCollins:

sd only

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cesman:

where do you live?

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MrCollins:

south georgia, valdosta, ga

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cesman:

CPU?

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MrCollins:

I have directv

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MrCollins:

I will buy some refurbished dells that have 2.4ghz for backend

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MrCollins:

and maybe something similar for front end

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unimaginative:

MrCollins, for SD, check out the PVR150, or 500

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MrCollins:

or should I get a mainboard case mem cpu and custom build?

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unimaginative:

MrCollins, but you MIGHT get lucky and tap into your direcTV box with firewire

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MrCollins:

pvr150 is a card?

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unimaginative:

MrCollins, correct.

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cesman:

MrCollins: http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19392

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MrCollins:

ok.

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MrCollins:

so if I want to watch 1 channel and record 2 channels simul I will need 3 tv tuner cards?

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unimaginative:

MrCollins, correct.

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MrCollins:

and those tuner cards will need to beinstalled on my backend box?

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unimaginative:

MrCollins, that's where the PVR500 helps

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MrCollins:

pvr 500?

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MrCollins:

ok.

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iamlindoro:

and three DirecTV boxes

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unimaginative:

MrCollins, the PVR 500 has two tuners on one card.

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MrCollins:

ok

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unimaginative:

MrCollins, the tuners need to be installed on *A* backend box. whether it is designated as master backend or slave backend doesnt matter.

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unimaginative:

MrCollins, if you will only be running one box as the backend, then all the cards need to be in that box.

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MrCollins:

one box for backend right

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unimaginative:

MrCollins, and iamlindoro is correct, you will need additional direcTV boxes to actually *tune* the channel.

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MrCollins:

but i will need 3 recievers wow

[02:35:37]

MrCollins:

ok this is enlightening thanks

[02:36:24]

unimaginative:

MrCollins, do you only have one reciever already? counting bedrooms, etc.

[02:36:42]

MrCollins:

yeah I have 1 already

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unimaginative:

MrCollins, only one?

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MrCollins:

just one in my house

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MrCollins:

yeah we dont have tv's in bedrooms

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unimaginative:

MrCollins, ahh.

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MrCollins:

but i love the idea of mythmusic+mythflix+mythgallery etc

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unimaginative:

MrCollins, nothing wrong with just using one tuner.

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unimaginative:

MrCollins, it'll ask you what you want to do if you're watching LiveTV and it wants to record something.

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MrCollins:

with 1 tuner can I watch and record simul?

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iamlindoro:

You can record, and watch what you're recording

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MrCollins:

but if I want to watch and record something else i need 2 recievers

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iamlindoro:

yes... just like anything, including DirecTV boxes

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iamlindoro:

If you can Watch one thing and record another on a DTV box it's because it too contains two tuners

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J-e-f-f-A:

But you can watch something you've recorded previously while another show records...

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MrCollins:

i see

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, Export to MythVideo = super duper helpful, I'm finally getting Watch recordings cleaned up

[02:44:28]

MrCollins:

iamlindoro so dtv boxes have 2 tuners?

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Nice!!!! ;-)

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iamlindoro:

those that record and allow watching of live TV at the same time, yes

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MrCollins:

oh ok

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iamlindoro:

they can't bend the laws of physics any more than we can :)

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MrCollins:

so standard digital recievers i will need 2 to record one thing and watch another simul

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** iamlindoro blinks **

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iamlindoro:

once again, YES

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MrCollins:

ok sorry im an idiot

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MrCollins:

;p

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MrCollins:

im just making sure im about to spend money on your words

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J-e-f-f-A:

MrCollins: Of course, if you're like most of the rest of us, you'll set up things to record, then virtually never watch anything "Live" again...

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unimaginative:

MrCollins, you will need to do the same with HD recievers s well. HD gets more complicated.

[02:46:39]

MrCollins:

J-e-f-f-AI see

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iamlindoro:

MrCollins, And if everything blows up in your face/knocks up your daughter/doesn't work at all, it *still* wouldn't be my fault

[02:46:52]

MrCollins:

it isnt

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MrCollins:

i get it

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MrCollins:

i do tech support do you believe that?

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** MrCollins blinks **

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MrCollins:

ive been working all day so im a little slow right now

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MrCollins:

tech support 15+ years im a littlle burned

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J-e-f-f-A:

MrCollins: "Is your monitor turned on? – Another common mistake."

[02:48:21]

MrCollins:

<--- windows/virus tech support

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J-e-f-f-A:

No wonder you're burned!!!!

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MrCollins:

J-e-f-f-A oh man am I

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MrCollins:

do you guys have good luck with the mythmusic working

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iamlindoro:

Works fine here

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J-e-f-f-A:

Works fine here to, but I have to admit I don't use it that often...

[02:50:31]

iamlindoro:

and is getting a major facelift for the forthcoming .22 (some might call it a rewrite)

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MrCollins:

generally speaking do most of you use mythbuntu or mythtv? and do i need the tv tuner remote of a remote for the pc in my living room (front end pc)

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iamlindoro:

Mythbuntu is just a MythTV distro

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iamlindoro:

it's all MythTV in the end

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iamlindoro:

Mythbuntu, Mythdora, Knoppmyth, LinHES, Myth on any one of a thousand distros... all the same in the end

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MrCollins:

iamlindoro: ok

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MrCollins:

is there a usb corded remote or can I get a wireless remote?

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J-e-f-f-A:

MrCollins: USB Corded? Umm... USB Receiver, IR remote... Microsoft MCE USB2 – search fleabay for "RC6 Remote"

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Dagmar:

Most people have another word for a "usb corded remote". They call it a "keyboard"

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MrCollins:

Dagmar: ok

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** J-e-f-f-A sees it's getting harder to find the remote & receiver bundled together.... **

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iamlindoro:

*sigh*, can always tell when the pizza place is busy when the pie comes after an hour and has indentations instead of slices

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MrCollins:

J-e-f-f-A so the microsoft remote integrates with mythtv straight up

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J-e-f-f-A:

MrCollins: Well, there are drivers for lirc for it, and it works very well for Myth. The layout is nice, etc.

[02:55:56]

MrCollins:

J-e-f-f-A thanks for your advice

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iamlindoro:

MrCollins, Setting up the remote and IR blasting is one of the things that consistently makes lunatics out of new Myth users

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iamlindoro:

and often sends them back to Windows

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iamlindoro:

we wave politely

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MrCollins:

IR blasting?

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J-e-f-f-A:

MrCollins: And many of the "pre-built" Myth distributions have support for it 'out of the box'... ;-)

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iamlindoro:

The sending of IR signals from your computer to a set top box to control it/switch channels, etc.

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J-e-f-f-A:

MrCollins: What's your provider now? Cable? Sattelite?

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MrCollins:

dtv

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MrCollins:

iamlindoro: the usb sensor plugs into the backend or the frontend pc?

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iamlindoro:

The reciever is plugged into the frontend

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J-e-f-f-A:

MrCollins: Pleast define "dtv" – is that DirecTV Sattelite?

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iamlindoro:

the blaster (emitter) is plugged into a backend

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MrCollins:

yes directv

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iamlindoro:

if the units are combined... well, you'll need more of them, then

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iamlindoro:

the MCEusb remote is *also* an emitter... which is good for combined frontend/backend machines but less good when seperated

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jroysdon:

ok, so I used irrecord to get all my buttons. What do I do with the text file it generated? Does it replace /etc/lircd.conf?

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iamlindoro:

well, the usb portion of the mceusb package, not the remote itself

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MrCollins:

iamlindoro: so i thought 2 pc's (front end, backend) was good...

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iamlindoro:

It's good if that's what you want

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iamlindoro:

combined is fine too

[03:00:32]

iamlindoro:

you need to read the executive overview page on the wiki

[03:00:46]

iamlindoro:

You really should get some foundation knowledge of how this works before asking for tech support from people

[03:00:59]

iamlindoro:

I am sure you can sympathize in the profession you're in

[03:01:20]

iamlindoro:

the channel tends to be very rough on people who use it as a first resort instead of a last one

[03:01:54]

iamlindoro:

wiki.mythtv.org holds the answers to everything you've asked so far

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J-e-f-f-A:

MrCollins: There's a lot of little pieces to it — the pre-built packages (MythDora, MythBuntu, KnoppMyth, etc), do most of the work for you, but you have to have the hardware too (tuner card(s), IR Blaster(s), Remote Control Receiver, etc)

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Dagmar:

That's because an IRC channel is hellishly inefficient as a measure of first resort

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jroysdon:

ok, found the problem. I had to not only rmmod lirc_dev lirc_usbmce2, but also stop the lircd service

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jroysdon:

After that, irw works just fine

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MrCollins:

J-e-f-f-A ok is there a guide some people have made?

[03:10:33]

MrCollins:

iamlindoro: oh I get it I just thought I would come here for some pre-liminary questions, and you have graciously answered them, thank you

[03:12:14]

iamlindoro:

MrCollins, Each distro will have its own howto, but the wiki contains a great many more (I generally suggest that people follow the howto for their distro, as *provided* by that distro (and not some blog)

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MrCollins:

iamlindoro: what distro do you use?

[03:13:01]

iamlindoro:

MrCollins, A variety, but mostly debian and ubuntu at the moment

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J-e-f-f-A:

MrCollins: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Introduction -or- http://mythdora.com/ -or- http://mythbuntu.com/ -or- http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html

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MrCollins:

thank you everyone, I REALLY appreciate all of your suggestions.

[03:13:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

MrCollins: I use Fedora Core 8 and 10 ... but I've been doing this a few years...

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MrCollins:

j-e-f-f-A thank you

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** jroysdon likes Fedora as well **

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jroysdon:

But I'm a MythTV newbie.. if it wasn't for MythDora4 (FedoraCore6 + MythTV 0.20) I never would have got my first system up 3 years ago

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jroysdon:

I think it took me like 1 hour then... heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

jroysdon: I started with FC2 or 3 with Jarod Wilson's guide... ;-)

[03:15:35]

iamlindoro:

There was no Fedora when I started :)

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jroysdon:

J-e-f-f-A, cool. I wasn't about to be that brave then, and I had a DirecTivo at the time, which was cool, and I hacked it like crazy (added an ftp server to it and nic so I could offload shows)

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iamlindoro:

But there *was* RH, which I used at that time, and Mandrake too

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** jroysdon has used RH since the 5.2 days **

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: hehe... My first dabblings with Linux was with Debian on my Amiga... ;-)

[03:17:03]

jroysdon:

Ok, irw works nicely now, but what's the next step as MythTV still doesn't like it. I made all my button names match what ~/.mythtv/lircdrc has in it...

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, I kept my Amiga so pristine, I don't think I would have (or would now) put linux on it, in spite of how I love linux

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: I was experimenting on the A1200... on a different HDD... It was difficult and slow, nothing like AmigaDos! So I went back... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Did you ever try Amithlon? I bought it, just before they stopped selling it... Used it once in a while, but not much. There's still an active following. ;-)

[03:23:12]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, No, not at all

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, The amiga days are happy ones, but I have no desire to go back and live in them

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sandeen:

hrm when I scan for QAM channels, I get 5.1, 5.2, ... 105.8, 105.9 ... and then 107#0, 120#0, 120#1 .... should those #'s be .'s ?

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iamlindoro:

sandeen, that's Myth's way of telling you tehre is something odd about those streams, generally broken PSIP data in them due to being VOD channels or radio channels.

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: It was basically UAE on a minimal Linux kernel, but without the custom chipset support. Super-fast... No good for 'genuine' Amiga games though.

[03:25:29]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, Amiga games were Suuuuuuuper hacky to get the speed and graphics stuff they did... good luck getting anything to play most of them

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sandeen:

iamlindoro, ok, thanks

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sandeen:

yeah they clearly weren't the big 3 networks, at least :)

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iamlindoro:

sandeen, You can generally expect them to a) be untunable when the VOD stream stops, or b) crash mythfrontend if they're radio channels

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unimaginative:

sandeen, i'm on a "big three" network, and ALL of my channels have that naming structure.

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iamlindoro:

your cable company is broken, complain about their engineers

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jwbrown77:

Anyone here have experience with firewire setups? :-/ Having problems with mythprime/firewire_tester not working with either p2p or broadcast.

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Dagmar:

With respect to Amiga emulation... You don't have to work *that* hard to keep up with the CPU they had

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iamlindoro:

That would be true if the CPU had anything to do with it, and not bizarro manipulation of memory registers to do GPU stuff

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Dagmar:

That was driven by the CPU and mainly based on interrupts.

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Dagmar:

...and not even interrupts as we know them.

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unimaginative:

my box is weird. It segfaults when loaded using the init script, but when i try to debug it with gdb, it won't crash :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: Well, it took a PII to somewhat accurately emulate an Amiga and it's custom chips... not bad for a 68000/7Mhz and a 28Mhz Graphics chip!

[03:35:02]

Dagmar:

YEah and now we're operating at far, far beyond that speed.

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iamlindoro:

And you *still* can't properly do most of the games for the reasons delineated above

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Dagmar:

That's a failure of the emulators as far as I know

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iamlindoro:

Which fail because of the many bizarre and undocumented hacks used by the games devs

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Dagmar:

Either way, the only reason they had to be that hackish was that they were inventing the wheel.

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Dagmar:

Note: inventing, not reinventing.

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iamlindoro:

I do so enjoy my "Lessons from Dagmar"

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: Well, considering it had that much power in 1985... If C= wasn't so stupid, it probably would have been the machine on every desktop today...

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Dagmar:

Probably so, but IBM's main lead came from them allowing clones

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iamlindoro:

I've only been at it three decades, but clearly I've given the impression that I was beaten with a tack hammer as a child

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Dagmar:

That poured money into x86 and that meant more dev dollars

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Dagmar:

Hey man I coded in assembly on that platform

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Dagmar:

That instruction set was just beating yourself in the face with a tack hammer

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: The 68k instruction set? Ok...

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Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: Compared to what we have now? Absolutely

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Dagmar:

we've got instructions that do things people spent hours optimizing chunks of code for

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: Yeah, but if you're comparing an instruction set for a cpu made in 198x, the same could probably be said of the 8088 as well...

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Dagmar:

Yeah.

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Dagmar:

...but ther'es only so many times someone's going to write say, an optimized routine for computing tangents before someone comes along and puts it right into the CPU as an extended instruction

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Dagmar:

Floating point math going slow? Hey we add a coprocessor that does nothing but that

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Dagmar:

...and it does it quickly.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: Yeah, but FP was wlow on x86 too...

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Dagmar:

"slow" compared to what

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Dagmar:

Floating-point math is always going to take longer than integer ops, but the fastest way to doing it is generally what makde it into companies' CPUs

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J-e-f-f-A:

Well, Floating point processors were needed more on the Amiga because it actually had Graphics... ;-)

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BLACKthroat:

just did a clean install of 8.10

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BLACKthroat:

god i love a nice clean slate

[04:10:47]

BLACKthroat:

any words of wisdom before installing mythtv?

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captain_:

don't ever ask for help on IRC unless you've read the wiki.

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captain_:

or you'll get an earful.

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BLACKthroat:

yeah i know about RTFM

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ms_spock:

Hi folks, been trying to solve this with google and all that accomplished was to make me even more confused :-(. What I am trying to figure out is, I took advantage of the "Go digital now, at no extra cost" from comcast. I got a Motorola box that you feed the coax into and an output to pipe to a TV. Tried the "dtvsignal" on my PCHD3000 card and it doesn't appear to find anything. Have I completely missed something or is the on

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ms_spock:

ly way this works is to use the composit input to the card? Starting to think that DTV cards are only useful for OTA? Much appreciate any comments about this, my eyes are shot from following google links, apparently to nowhere.

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BLACKthroat:

what is a good snes emulator for linux?

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BLACKthroat:

found this page: http://www.linux.org/apps/all/System/Emulators.html

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jams:

ms_spock- your assumption is correct, you would need to use the analog signal from the motorola box

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jams:

BLACKthroat- try zsnes

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BLACKthroat:

but that doesn't give any ratings and whatnot

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captain_:

well, anyone know what to do with ALSA if it's not capturing CD input?

[04:18:06]

captain_:

_that's_ the reason why I get no sound in mythtv.

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ms_spock:

jams: Thanks, I guess I'll take the digital box back Monday :-(. Trying to use that horrid remote is awful.

[04:18:58]

jams:

ms_spock- you can use an ir blaster to have mythtv change the channel for you.

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ms_spock:

jams: Not much point to the digital box if I have to do that, can do it with an analog box whenever they get to distributing them. $5 or so for the digital box seems to make little since unless I want to hook it up to a real TV :).

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BLACKthroat:

so mythgame is just a graphical launcher for your emulator i take it?

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jams:

yes

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BLACKthroat:

are there any emulators that work well for dreamcast games? playstation one?

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jams:

i do not know

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BLACKthroat:

k

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BLACKthroat:

and stella is my best bet for 2600 roms?

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iamlindoro:

epsxe is good for PSX, Dreamcast has never had a real working (ie playing games normally) emu AFAIK

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BLACKthroat:

wow stella 2.7 was just released

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BLACKthroat:

crazy to think how there are new releases for such an old gaming system

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BLACKthroat:

released in 1977

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kambei:

I am getting a "video frame buffering failed too many times" error

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what4893:

Is there a way to force a secondary backend to always record on the primary backend storage group?

[04:35:59]

kambei:

It happens sporadically when attempting to watch Live TV, or change channels.

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kambei:

captain_: directly from the CD drive?

[04:45:41]

captain_:

nope, through a tv tuner card.

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captain_:

i know it's getting output, at least — i can hear the tv audio when I change channels on the card.

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kambei:

You sent the tuner card audio to your sound card internally using a cable?

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captain_:

sure did, aye.

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kambei:

You hear audio when you change channels?

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captain_:

sure do.

[04:47:14]

kambei:

It just comes on suddenly?

[04:47:17]

kambei:

And goes away?

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captain_:

just trying to find the correct combination of ALSA and mythtv settings to get mythtv to record.

[04:47:25]

captain_:

nope, stays on.

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kambei:

What card?

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captain_:

oh, old bt848 card that doesn't send sound through PCI unfortunately. :(

[04:48:22]

captain_:

ixmicro.

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kambei:

Are you using pulseaudio?

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captain_:

nope!

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captain_:

wondering if I might have to try that eventually, if I can't reconfigure ALSA in some way

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kambei:

When you switch channels, you are doing so through Myth LiveTV?

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captain_:

yep — it's controlling the tuner pretty well, just not picking up the sound — the sound's coming in live through the speakers.

[04:50:22]

captain_:

there's like a 3 second gap, because mythtv is prerecording the video and all that.

[04:50:30]

kambei:

Right.

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captain_:

funny problem — I've been searching all around everywhere.

[04:51:26]

kambei:

The CD element is turned up, obviously, and unmuted.

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kambei:

Is it set to REC?

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J-e-f-f-A:

captain_: Hey – you need to mute the playback channel, and un-mute (or select) the CD channel in the recordings properties.

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captain_:

kambei: aye, turned up.

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kambei:

Yes, I think you want to mute the channel, but set it to record input.

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kambei:

As J-e-f-f-A said.

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captain_:

aye, in alsamixer now — got the CD playback muted, trying to figure out how to turn on REC for the capture section

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kambei:

Are you using the ncurses-style interface?

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captain_:

ncurses?

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kambei:

"text based" from a terminal

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captain_:

ah, yes.

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kambei:

space toggles the capture

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J-e-f-f-A:

captain_: press tab to go to the recordings controls

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, And for anyone else interested in the theme/fanart capabilities/Banners/Screenshots in MythVideo: http://www.fecitfacta.com/myth-theme.ogv

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, ignore the random noise in the video, gtk-recordmydesktop sucks

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, and play it in mplayer if you can

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captain_:

aye, pressed tab to get to recording controls — wondering why there's no volume bar above the CD input now

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kambei:

Space is not toggling the capture for me.

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kambei:

But yes, tab is working.

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captain_:

I can press space to get the "L R / Capture" sign above the CD input, just no volume bar.

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captain_:

'tis why I'm thinking ALSA isn't configured right or something.

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BLACKthroat:

do i need to worry about Modifying /etc/ld.so.conf when installing mythtv through the synaptic package manager?

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, For some reason the capture shows the underlying backdrop sometimes but it's perfectly smooth here-- think it doesn't like opengl very much

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kambei:

captain_ I am getting the same thing

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kambei:

captain_: Do you have an independent "Capture" fader?

[04:56:49]

captain_:

sure do.

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kambei:

Any luck turning that up?

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captain_:

got it all the way up with the Capture above it.

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: VERY nice! ;-) And appears to be very fast too... ;-)

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kambei:

captain_: Does space toggle that channel capture on and off?

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captain_:

that might do it, if I can figure out what "/dev" line or "ALSA:" to put in the mythtv backend setup

[04:57:43]

captain_:

sure does.

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kambei:

captain_: If you have an oss compatibility layer, your sound device would be something like /dev/dsp

[04:59:22]

captain_:

aye, had it on that before, no sound recorded. Tried /dev/adsp, too.

[04:59:31]

captain_:

and ALSA:default.

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kambei:

Do you have more than one sound device?

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, Yeah, it's fast... irritated that the backdrop is flipping in the capture, it's invisible here

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captain_:

"hardware" device or configured one?

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kambei:

Hardware

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: What did you use to capture that?

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captain_:

naw, just the onboard intel.

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, gtk-recordmydesktop

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kambei:

captain_: asoundconf list

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, It would probably behave better with the qt painter, but much of the alpha effects are disabled with that

[05:01:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: cool... ;-) I'm gonna have to install that. ;-)

[05:01:34]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, Anyway, you like? Wanted to prove I wasn't mocking up the fanart/banner/etc. stuff

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captain_:

just one: I82801AAICH

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Very much so!!! ;-) I knew you weren't faking it... ;-)

[05:02:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Ouch, that thing is 201kb! ;-) that's like 1/10 sec download for me... ;-)

[05:03:21]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, I don't think "ouch" is the term you're looking for ;)

[05:03:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

rotflmao! ;-)

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kambei:

captain_: Other than the TV card's direct feed, you have sound?

[05:04:44]

captain_:

oh yeah — everything working fine.

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kambei:

Have you played sound through Myth at all?

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captain_:

and the tv card's feed is playing and all, just not being captured.

[05:05:38]

captain_:

hmm — could I try something else in myth real quick other than the TV tuner?

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kambei:

If you use the video plugin, and set the media player to Internal, you could use the Internal player to play anything else

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kambei:

mythvideo

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captain_:

let me check real quick.

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captain_:

was able to listen to some nasa TV real quick just fine — sound worked and everything.

[05:08:37]

kambei:

Using Myth?

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kambei:

What's Nasa TV?

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captain_:

part of the online streams section — just assumed they were online video streams myth was configured to use.

[05:09:13]

kambei:

Okay.

[05:09:15]

kambei:

Right.

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kambei:

Okay, so at least we know that the problem is limited to your capturing of sound from the tuner card.

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captain_:

aye, it's really closed to being fixed.

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kambei:

When you set up the tuner in mythtv-setup, is there any place for you to select the audio input?

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captain_:

aye, the little space below it where I configured the tuner where I typed in /dev/dsp — like that?

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kambei:

ah

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kambei:

And you set the default input as CD?

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captain_:

as far as I can tell — other than alsamixer, I can't really find a place to do that in XFCE.

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kambei:

In mythtv-setup

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kambei:

Oh

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captain_:

aye, trying to do that — let me check mythtv-setup one more time.

[05:13:34]

kambei:

I guess that would be the video input?

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kambei:

Not really sure.

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captain_:

yeah, it's a doozey of a problem.

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kambei:

you might also check to see that /dev/dsp exists

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kambei:

If you are using alsa, you don't necessarily have it.

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captain_:

is there a better way to do that than just checking the "/dev" folder? :P

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kambei:

ls -l /dev/dsp

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kambei:

ls -l /dev/dsp*

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captain_:

yeah, it's in there.

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kambei:

I don't think I've ever set up an analog capture card with myth

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captain_:

yeah, it's a pain in the butt. just using it cause I had this card lying around, trying to do it on the cheap without buying anything like a new card

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captain_:

or WinMCE :(

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kambei:

I'm pretty sure that you need OSS support

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captain_:

aye, i'll start looking into that.

[05:18:12]

captain_:

gotta be a way to do this.

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kambei:

You have it if you have /dev/dsp

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kambei:

It's probably something ridiculously easy.

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captain_:

that's what it feels like!

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captain_:

I know if I can get the right stream into mythtv it'll work.

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kambei:

What distro?

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captain_:

mythbuntu 8.10.

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BLACKthroat:

quick question, how do i check to see if im using dma

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kambei:

BLACKthroat: On your HD?

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kambei:

IDE?

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BLACKthroat:

ide

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BLACKthroat:

dvd

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kambei:

captain_: Can you fire up and mess with gnome-volume-control?

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kambei:

BLACKthroat: I'm pretty sure it's: hdparm -d /dev/dvd

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captain_:

well, the XFCE eqiuvalent, aye — mythbuntu's got it installed by default.

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kambei:

Short of that, is it possible that your cable doesn't work?

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captain_:

the cable connecting the tuner-card to the audio in?

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tritium:

Good evening. Does anybody know where you can still purchase a Hauppauge PVR-150?

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kambei:

I guess.

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kambei:

tritium: Ebay?

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tritium:

kambei: perhaps, yes

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captain_:

guessing it's working right — listening to the TV through it right now.

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captain_:

it's just a silly problem, like you said.

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kambei:

Oh, right.

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kambei:

So, in your GUI mixer, your CD fader increases and decreases the sound appropriately?

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captain_:

aye, for the output — works just perfectly.

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kambei:

And you have that input set to record?

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kambei:

That's the important part.

[05:25:38]

captain_:

aye, that's the thing — haven't really found a place to do that anywhere, other than directly in alsamixer.

[05:25:53]

captain_:

there's got to be another place to set that.

[05:26:40]

kambei:

captain_: try aumix?

[05:26:50]

kambei:

or aumix-gtk

[05:27:02]

kambei:

It might be more obvious.

[05:27:03]

captain_:

let me give it a try.

[05:27:34]

kambei:

I know for sure that space toggles REC per channel in aumix

[05:29:40]

captain_:

aye, like that interface a lot better.

[05:31:29]

captain_:

well, CD is selected as the record channel, if i'm reading it correctly.

[05:32:09]

captain_:

haven't yet tried /dev/mixer in mythtv-setup — ever heard of that working?

[05:32:45]

kambei:

That's just the OSS mixer device

[05:33:28]

kambei:

You might try to use mencoder to capture video from the device

[05:33:38]

kambei:

And eliminate Myth for now.

[05:33:47]

captain_:

worth a try.

[05:33:49]

kambei:

Just to get the audio working

[05:38:00]

Anduin:

You've looked at http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html#ss7.2 ?

[05:38:19]

kambei:

That looks promising.

[05:38:33]

captain_:

let me see — have read through quite a bit.

[05:38:45]

kambei:

Sometimes you can over-read. :)

[05:39:12]

kambei:

All of the stuff you read 3 hours ago starts to exit the queue.

[05:39:13]

captain_:

yep!

[05:39:21]

captain_:

let me take a look at this page real quick.

[05:44:41]

iamlindoro:

Anduin, Did you see http://www.fecitfacta.com/myth-theme-screencap.ogg ?

[05:46:26]

Anduin:

iamlindoro: Yes, nice, er I think, I grabbed myth-theme.ogv

[05:46:37]

iamlindoro:

yeah, the newer one's a little cleaner, but same idea

[05:46:53]

Anduin:

no random boxes?

[05:47:16]

iamlindoro:

one or two flickers but otherwise smoother (a smaller resolution and captured in a different tool)

[05:47:20]

Anduin:

and much smaller

[05:47:51]

Anduin:

much smoother, only caught a few redraws

[05:48:13]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, you get the idea :)

[05:48:55]

Anduin:

Yeah, it is nice, the wall of Lost in shows how posters don't really do a lot in some cases

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iamlindoro:

Anduin, Prior to yesterday I had them all as screenshots... although admittedly that didn't do much for me either

[05:51:10]

sphery:

iamlindoro: though the world may not, I recognize your contribution to the reporting of the issue fixed in [19812] ;)

[05:52:07]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Hahah, I'm happy to have been of service ;)

[05:52:30]

captain_:

that's definitely the right page — I guess my ALSA needs custom configuring, then.

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** sphery wonders if MythTV users /ever/ get promoted to Major... **

[05:53:50]

sphery:

Seems a lot are stuck at Captain

[05:54:04]

sphery:

(or perhaps they're not being promoted to Admiral... depending on branch, of course)

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sphery:

Anduin: yeah, that's how I find the links to give to -users... I use singlehtml, then link to the sectioned one.

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iamlindoro:

I've climbed the ladder of success

[05:55:14]

iamlindoro:

then fell down and hit every rung on the way down

[05:55:26]

sphery:

private... heh

[05:56:01]

iamlindoro:

though to those of us with law enforcement backgrounds, the next rank up from Captain is Deputy Chief, thanks ;)

[05:56:38]

Anduin:

sphery: Yeah, I admit to only looking at the page linked to from the docs section rather than reading the actual document

[05:56:40]

sphery:

I was going AF/Army/Marines, but acknowledging the possibility of Navy

[05:56:54]

Dagmar:

I'm just happy when no three-letter agencies are stalking me

[05:57:04]

sphery:

Anduin: you can get a pass for not reading the whole HOWTO... Not many have earned it, but you /definitely/ have.

[05:57:28]

Anduin:

I did, years ago though, when I first installed mythtv

[05:57:33]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I was ashamed to have had to check that revision to be sure what you were talking about... but was pretty sure :)

[05:57:41]

iamlindoro:

<-- not subscribed to -commits

[05:57:41]

sphery:

Dagmar: you mean when you /think/ no 3-letter agencies are stalking you

[05:57:51]

Dagmar:

sphery: No, I'm paranoid.

[05:58:01]

sphery:

that doesn't mean they're not following you

[05:58:10]

Dagmar:

THe odds they're not looking at me when I think they're looking at me are higher than them looking without me thinking they're looking

[05:58:31]

Dagmar:

You've not heard about any FBI agents killing themselves lately have you?

[05:58:31]

sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah... You may not have reported the actual bug so much as reporting the symptom of the bug, but still useful

[05:58:35]

Dagmar:

Because that's generally how I know

[05:58:52]

Dagmar:

A few days of this kind of boredom and most people would be trying to find a tree chipper to dive into

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Dagmar:

I don't count the whole abstract, dragnet surviellance.

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Batshua:

I'm fighting with my WinTV-HVR-1250. So far, scan on every general ATSC file has rendered NO frequencies. Am I doing something wrong? Is my card defective?

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achew22:

I had some database corruption (tables locked and had to be repaired but no data was lost) and now when I got to the upcoming recording page in mythweb it is blank. I ran mythfilldatabase to see if that would repopulate that data set however it didn't fix it. Is there a way to force that data to be updated?

[08:36:21]

achew22:

Oop, it came back. I don't know why but it did. Thanks anyway.

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mrvanes:

I've got a little question about mythmusic in 0.21-fixes

[11:42:09]

justinh:

just ask

[11:42:12]

mrvanes:

Am I the only one seeing 100% progress bar when playing mp3's and ogg's?

[11:42:26]

mrvanes:

it's ok when playing CD

[11:42:41]

justinh:

works for me (tm)

[11:43:01]

mrvanes:

was afraid you'd say that... so, where should I start?

[11:43:15]

justinh:

there's not much you can do about it as far as I know

[11:43:37]

justinh:

does the time indicator work ok?

[11:43:45]

mrvanes:

yeah

[11:43:57]

justinh:

then there's no reason the progress bar shouldn't work ok

[11:44:14]

justinh:

I added the progress bar in the code, and it works from the elapsed time vs total track time

[11:44:29]

justinh:

so if the elapsed time indicator works, so should the progress indicator

[11:44:49]

mrvanes:

accept when it can not decide about the total time?

[11:44:57]

mrvanes:

maybe all my mp3's are borken?

[11:45:13]

justinh:

maybe

[11:45:57]

mrvanes:

hmmm... I never use id3-tag info when indexing my mp3's. Might that be the problem?

[11:46:08]

justinh:

I doubt it

[11:46:30]

mrvanes:

do you read mp3 length at playing time...

[11:46:46]

justinh:

I think so

[11:49:22]

justinh:

ok. showProgressBar uses maxTime as the total time...

[11:49:37]

mrvanes:

and maxTime is derived where?

[11:50:34]

mrvanes:

I see a "length" field in music_metadata table...

[11:50:39]

justinh:

trying to find that

[11:51:58]

mrvanes:

and music_metadata table is empty...

[11:52:05]

justinh:

hrm

[11:52:27]

mrvanes:

there's also a music_songs table that's filled

[11:52:35]

mrvanes:

and length=0 for all my songs

[11:52:55]

justinh:

heh. maybe it's never been tested with flat files

[11:52:58]

mrvanes:

music_metadata could be left-over from old myth installations...

[11:53:09]

directhex:

i never understood peoples aversion to metadata

[11:54:41]

justinh:

I can see plenty of places where maxTime is converted into a time string, but not where it's read

[11:55:20]

justinh:

let's have a look in doxygen

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justinh:

broken. grrr

[11:56:18]

justinh:

you have chosen to open search.php which is a .php file. what program do you want to use to open it?

[11:56:25]

laga:

notepad.exe

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justinh:

ouch, maxtime is derived from the metadata alright

[11:58:08]

justinh:

maxTime = curMeta->Length() / 1000;

[11:58:47]

justinh:

time to use metadata!

[12:00:47]

mrvanes:

directhex: it takes too long over 10mbit samba network connection

[12:00:56]

justinh:

10mbit? sheesh

[12:01:03]

justinh:

you only need to it once, anyway

[12:01:11]

justinh:

well, you only need to a big one once

[12:01:23]

mrvanes:

old converted xbox ;)

[12:01:31]

justinh:

meh

[12:01:51]

mrvanes:

yeah and what if I add 1 new song... I have to scan my whole tree again, don't I?

[12:01:58]

mrvanes:

that's what I have against meta-data

[12:02:03]

laga:

xbox only has 10mbit/s?

[12:02:04]

justinh:

not sure

[12:02:08]

justinh:

laga: yup

[12:02:08]

mrvanes:

I like raw directory trees ;)

[12:02:16]

mrvanes:

yes: old xbox=10mbit

[12:02:16]

laga:

justinh: ewww.

[12:02:29]

justinh:

I forgot about that :)

[12:02:40]

justinh:

seems there's a valid reason not to use xboxes after all :)

[12:02:47]

mrvanes:

LOL! :)

[12:02:57]

mrvanes:

It's a statement... and I like it...

[12:03:02]

justinh:

you couldn't even use a USB network adapter either, since it's only got USB 1

[12:03:11]

mrvanes:

but yeah... I should think ahead once...

[12:03:32]

justinh:

anyway, you could always use a different machine to do all the music db updates

[12:04:19]

mrvanes:

No possibilities on getting maxTime at playing time I guess? :)

[12:04:33]

justinh:

not without hacking the code, nope

[12:05:07]

mrvanes:

sure... that's what I mean... so ALL other peops that don't use mete-data would benefit!

[12:05:16]

mrvanes:

Think about the possibilities! ;)

[12:06:16]

justinh:

hmmm. people who do stuff differently to me. remind me why I should care?

[12:06:32]

mrvanes:

To make a better world? :)

[12:06:38]

justinh:

pfft

[12:06:41]

mrvanes:

LOL

[12:07:59]

mrvanes:

Well.. on a serious note one could argue that it's broken, because skipping tag info is a valid feature in myth and it's not very obvious that it would brake the progress bar, is it?

[12:08:13]

mrvanes:

break pfff.

[12:09:03]

justinh:

hmmm. you don't use metadata because your system is too slow. I can't see any argument for taking my time to change it

[12:09:46]

mrvanes:

I don't use meta-data as well, because I don't need it... I like to search my mp3 in a directory tree, not based on style or artist

[12:11:42]

justinh:

if it's a one line patch...

[12:11:42]

mrvanes:

but that statement is now overdue, becuase obviously I need it to make the progress bar work...

[12:12:09]

justinh:

wonder how the cd audio playing bit gets it

[12:12:44]

mrvanes:

I guess it's read at play-time

[12:13:03]

mrvanes:

from cd toc or so?

[12:14:33]

justinh:

AFAICT it's the same code to play back any audio

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justinh:

so your metadata must all be borked

[12:15:32]

mrvanes:

well... I only know that I never used id3 info... so borked is maybe not the right word... just not there

[12:15:48]

justinh:

you said something about old data in there...

[12:16:07]

mrvanes:

old table... probably.

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justinh:

bah I can't be bothered to look into how the cd audio playback works. I think it might be reading all the track info into a temporary table or something like that. that'd do it

[12:22:21]

mrvanes:

I'm really sorry if I upset you with my question... that was never my intention...

[12:24:14]

mrvanes:

what's the format and unit of the 'length' field?

[12:24:43]

mrvanes:

seconds?

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mrvanes:

my metadata is not borked, if I set a (test)length in one of my mp3's in music_songs I have a progress bar...

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Master_PE:

I want to adjust my channel frequenst a littlebit in mythtv frontend, but how do i do that?

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paulh:

mrvanes: IIRC mp3's use TagLib to get the song lengths

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mrvanes:

paulh: yeah, but mythmusic pulls it from music_songs at play-time. that's the problem

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mrvanes:

I don't use meta data

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paulh:

I'm sure there used to be some fallback code to calculate the length using the file length and bit rate etc must have been removed at some point maybe when we switched to using taglib

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mrvanes:

is file-length and bit-rate reliable with vbr mp3's?

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mrvanes:

Isn't length stored in mp3 itself? I imaging it could be read at playtime when the mp3 is opened for play?

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paulh:

If the file was vbr it quickly decoded the entire file to calculate the length

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paulh:

I'm just trying to find the old code

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paulh:

mrvanes: If the file was vbr it quickly decoded the entire file to calculate the length

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mrvanes:

paulh: isn't that a bit expensive?

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mrvanes:

maybe that's why it was removed?

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mrvanes:

doesn't the decoder song object contain any length info at playtime?

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mrvanes:

that could be used instead of db meta-data?

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paulh:

It only has to be done once and only for vbr.

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jarle:

I have a short script for grabbing epg: http://pastebin.com/m1cb36bcb however, it seems like mythfilldatabase is run before tv_grab_no has finished filling up the file? How is that possible?

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justinh:

arghh chuffing car stereo fitting!

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justinh:

dunno why it's me who always gets this job

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laga:

justinh: god hates you.

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justinh:

good job I don't believe in it then eh

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laga:

he doesn't believe in you either, or you'd get that damn car stereo done ;)

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justinh:

had to take the whole centre console out, and that involved disconnecting the heater cables. which of course have been assembled by people with tiny, tiny hands :P

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justinh:

and then the bloomin wiring harness adapter I was sold is a socket. the car loom is also on a socket. socket to socket :-\

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justinh:

oh well. it'll be fixed soon when I finish this cuppa

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dougl:

I am using a microsoft media center remote with mceusb2 config but while watching tv I go into the guide and one keystroke gets noticed and the guide ignores the rest of the key presses until I back out and repeat the process... any suggestions?

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Anduin:

jarle: it probably isn't

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dougl:

using lirc 0.8.3 on ubuntu 8.04 remote (mceusb2) quits working in guide on mythtv 0.21 built from cvs – any suggestions?

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dougl:

it accepts one key press then stops responding until I hit the back button

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Anduin:

dougl: I think that is usually a focus issue, if you never see the problem if you first select, exit the dialog, and move then that is it.

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dougl:

Anduin, I don't understand what you mean?

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Anduin:

dougl: when you enter the guide, pretend like you want to record whatever is selected when you enter, once the new screen is up, decide you really don't want to and exit, move as you normally would, if it never sticks after doing that, it is a focus issue

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dougl:

Anduin, ok – thanks will try that now :)

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jarle:

Anduin: if I run "/usr/local/bin/mythfilldatabase --file 1 /home/jarle/tvnorge.xml" manually after the script has run, it tell me that it has updated a lot of programs. To me that indicates that it was not successfully run from the script, cause if it was there would not be any programs to update when run the second time?

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laga:

try running it a third time ;)

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Anduin:

jarle: if you think that is what is happening it is easy enough to push the date/time/contents of tvnorge.xml to some log, none of the grabbers background themselves that I'm aware of

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Anduin:

and yeah, a third time would give you something to compare it to

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jarle:

laga: "Updated programs: 0"

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dougl:

Anduin, I 'pretend like you want to record whatever is selected when you enter' by hitting the record button on the remote and it seems it starts recording (a red s marks the item in the guide) and yes the guide is navagatable now but I am recording so I cannot change the channel and dunno how to stop recording – can you enlighten me please ? :)

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Anduin:

dougl: hit the enter key, the record button won't create the recording rule dialog, the key to the test

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jarle:

dougl: if you want to stop a recording you can just delete the ongoing recording from the "watch recording" screen

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whoDat:

hmm forgot to set up /myth as a seperate partition. is that worth fixing? heard it was a good idea, not sure why.

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dougl:

ah – thats where I went wrong = thank you.

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dougl:

jarle, good to know – thanks

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** dougl is going upstairs to try to stop recording and navagate guide **

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jarle:

dougl: it might be smart to have the mysql database and the recordings on separate drives, but its not a big deal...

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Anduin:

whoDat: as long as you have thing set up to not fill the disk (which means using the auto expiration stuff), then not hating it when something else fill / and the auto expire does its job

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whoDat:

anduin: okay. last time i set up mythtv i think i did it as a seperate partition.. so it could be set up as a non-journaling filesystem? ext2 maybe. something along those lines.

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Anduin:

whoDat: with slow delete enabled fs choice is mostly to make people feel better about themselves

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whoDat:

anduin: k... maybe with the older version of knoppmyth, slow delete wasnt there yet.

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iamlindoro:

XFS makes me feel like more of a man

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Anduin:

see, exactly

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whoDat:

lol

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iamlindoro:

I tried JFS but it made me stand on the street corner wearing a pretty dress

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dougl:

Anduin, jarle – we realize I am using a remote to do these things – correct? There is no delete option in my watch recordings sub menu... and when I hit the ok or enter button on the remote it just backs out of the guide = I am confused.

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whoDat:

looks like i lost flash video on mythweb when I upgraded as well, looks like i need to grab that from svn again

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jarle:

dougl: I'm just using the "d" key on my keyboard, but I'm sure there is a delete recording in the menu somewhere aswell...

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Anduin:

dougl: enter shouldn't back out of the guide

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dougl:

jarle, yeah I have no keyboard at my tv – thats what makes the remote so critical

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Anduin:

dougl: and yes, that you were using a remote you made clear, what your buttons on that remote are labeled, well having an MCE remote I could guess, but usually just use the keyboard key

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dougl:

Anduin, I have an enter button and a ok button – they are defined in lircrc as ok = space.... err and I cannot find one for the enter button but it works the same the ok button

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holister:

I'm trying to upgrade my myth and I got dvbtypes.h:23:6: error: #error "DVB driver includes with API version 3 not found!"...only thing I could find on the web said "you're answer is on the gentoo forums, search for mythtv dvb there", and I did, and 0 results...

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holister:

the wierd thing is, when I look at that header (2.6.28), it says DVB version is 5...and the myth code looks like it only cares version >=3...but 5 is >=3...so...????

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iamlindoro:

holister, Read through this thread: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /245213.html

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iamlindoro:

Think the answer you want is in the second to last message, but it bears reading the whole thing

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holister:

iamlindoro: good find...thanks... heh...I'm just trying to get my dad off my back...heh... not that I don't care about the myth project in general, but....glad to finally get this off my plate...too busy for it right now

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iamlindoro:

should be a two line change to get it compiling for you, you are welcome

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dougl:

Anduin, the enter button was defined a space bar so I redefined it as enter and press it in guide and it just selects the channel and clears the guide and lets you watch tv... but after I recorded the show I was watching the guide works now... curious

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magius_pendragon:

is there a quick way to delete mysql metadata for shows when the file doesn't exist?

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Anduin:

dougl: Yeah, we should have nailed down what you meant by guide and how it was invoked, I meant Manage Recordings -> Schedule Recordings

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Anduin:

magius_pendragon: there is a contrib script dedicated to finding orphans, it has a cryptic name

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iamlindoro:

magius_pendragon, the myth.find_orphans.pl script. run the script with no argument first to see what will be removed, then with --dodbdelete to remove the DB information once you have confirmed what it will do

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magius_pendragon:

thanks both

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Anduin:

what sort of world is it when being half helpful isn't enough

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iamlindoro:

I think I caught sphery disease, I find myself being unnecessarily helpful ;)

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** CaptObviousman can think of many situations where being only half helpful is fatal **

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magius_pendragon:

Anduin: would have been perfectly enough info if i had actually seen the contrib directory before :)

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justinh:

iamlindoro: don't worry, it wears off eventually

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iamlindoro:

justinh, I'm already over it ;)

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** clever shoves iamlindoro and sphery into a closet to get him infected again **

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justinh:

I think I've earned another cup of tea. that stereo was a mother loving son of a cow to install

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justinh:

I didn't end up with anything left over either, which I think is something of a miracle, everything considered

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iamlindoro:

clever, No matter how helpful I feel, I will still be annoyed by you.

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justinh:

well, other than the factory-fitted gadget. heh

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justinh:

wife points ++++++ :)

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justinh:

it all makes me want to buy my head in xml files for the rest of the week

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

The girlfriend arrangement is about all I can manage, responsibilities to the girlfriend + dog are more than enough for me

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justinh:

s/buy/bury

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iamlindoro:

and when I want to do something I can send one of the above home ;)

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jjwin2k:

any idea why mythlcdserver only displays "_" ?

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dougl:

Anduin, a bit confusing but the focus issue you described is present in the guide while watching tv and gets resolved somehow by hitting the info button then backing out and from that point you can successfully navigate the guide... but still even after difining my Enter button as the Enter key and using ok or enter to make your selection in the guide does not invoke a channel change – any thots on that one?

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tomtom099:

HELP my root device is full :-( what can I throw away?

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justinh:

your downloads in the home directory? ;-)

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clever:

cd /

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tomtom099:

I am using the standard layout of "mythbuntu" install

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clever:

du --max=1 -x|sort -n

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tomtom099:

home stuff is next to nothing, videos are on another volume

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tomtom099:

there is much in /usr/lib and /usr/share

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justinh:

what's in your home dir?

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clever:

the above command will sort all directorys in / acording to total size

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Anduin:

dougl: You are bringing the guide up while watching, what enter does then depends on some program guide option that makes select change channels

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tomtom099:

homedir is only a few text files etc.

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justinh:

tomtom099: btw have you ever backed up your myth database? because if not, and you only just found out because / is full & mysql crashed, you've likely lost everything

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dougl:

Anduin, hmm, thanks for the tip = looks like I have some mythtv learning to do :)

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Anduin:

I'd listen to clever, he runs out of space all the time.

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tomtom099:

justin: no. How can i do this?

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tomtom099:

and where is the data stored?

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clever:

Anduin: currently, i have 385mb free on / :P

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Anduin:

dougl: step one is to learn to hate live TV

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magius_pendragon:

339 here, i think i win :p

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justinh:

tomtom099: default mysql storage is /var/lib/mysql if I remember right

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iamlindoro:

Anduin, done and done!

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clever:

justinh: that reminds me, binary sql logs where on by default and ate half my disk space

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tomtom099:

~/.mythtv has 120M

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Anduin:

I have 47G free on /, that is right, I waste space

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tomtom099:

where is the livetv stuff stored? where is the database stored?

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clever:

Anduin: with my new systems, / is on lvm, so i can shrink and grow it whenever i need to steal space

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iamlindoro:

DB will be in /var/lib, recordings wherever you put them

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clever:

tomtom099: as justinh said, the database usualy goes to /var/lib/mysql/

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iamlindoro:

on mythbuntu I believe that's /var/lib/mythtv/recordings maybe?

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iamlindoro:

but they are supposed to put that on a different mount IIRC

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clever:

and when i installed 0.18 ages ago my recordings went to /var/lib/mythtv/

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justinh:

myers. supposed to. assuming the user doesn't change anything

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tomtom099:

my /var/lib is the separate volume, with plenty of space free

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tomtom099:

is livetv also on /var/lib ?

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clever:

by default, it should be

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justinh:

it's wherever it's set to

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Always a poor assumption I suppose ;)

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tomtom099:

how do i check it to be sure?

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justinh:

mythtv-setup will tell you

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tomtom099:

and from the commandline?

[17:17:55]

magius_pendragon:

is there a way to figure out which card id is attached to which card?

[17:18:36]

justinh:

tomtom099: only mysql

[17:19:08]

iamlindoro:

If you don't know where your recgroups are, you should be leaving mysql alone

[17:19:21]

iamlindoro:

IMO, Opinions may vary

[17:19:25]

iamlindoro:

(but I'll still be right)

[17:19:51]

tomtom099:

lol

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tomtom099:

I am no newbie, only have left linux alone for about 20 years

[17:20:18]

justinh:

yup. direct interrogation & mangling of the database is best left alone

[17:20:44]

justinh:

don't be lazy, use mythtv-setup

[17:21:20]

iamlindoro:

Considering linux isn't 20 years old yet, it was easy to ignore it for at least part of that ;)

[17:21:25]

tomtom099:

grrrr..... this means go downstairs and send my boy away from the tv

[17:21:33]

iamlindoro:

Send him away anyway

[17:21:36]

iamlindoro:

It's Saturday

[17:21:39]

iamlindoro:

Sunday

[17:21:44]

iamlindoro:

Tell him to play outside

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tomtom099:

ok when was kernel 0.99.12 then?

[17:22:12]

iamlindoro:

10 or so years ago

[17:22:36]

tomtom099:

no must have been the early 90's...

[17:22:48]

iamlindoro:

linux-0.99.12.tar.bz2 06-Apr-1998 05:11 686K

[17:22:59]

phunyguy:

lol.

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Anduin:

just before mid is when it was semi-popular

[17:23:43]

phunyguy:

i remember using linux before 98...

[17:23:53]

phunyguy:

well before that

[17:23:57]

phunyguy:

i just gave up on it

[17:24:02]

phunyguy:

windows was easier ;)

[17:24:04]

tomtom099:

this date is impressive, but cannot be true

[17:24:25]

tomtom099:

thats probably because there wasnt any bz2 at that time, too

[17:25:09]

tomtom099:

we had a gzip, that was it. Rar was later, bz2 was after Rar

[17:25:16]

phunyguy:

0.01 was released in 1991

[17:25:37]

phunyguy:

that explaisn the 1998 date

[17:25:40]

phunyguy:

explains

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phunyguy:

there goes iamlindoro trying to be a know it all again ;)

[17:26:23]

iamlindoro:

Excuse me?

[17:26:33]

phunyguy:

hah.

[17:26:37]

phunyguy:

i love stirring the pot.

[17:26:41]

phunyguy:

i just walked into the convo

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iamlindoro:

That much is obvious

[17:26:50]

phunyguy:

did you fart?

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tomtom099:

maybe you can just unpack this 0.99.12.bz2 and preserve the file dates inside....?

[17:27:18]

phunyguy:

but yeah

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phunyguy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel

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iamlindoro:

tomtom099, Early 90s indeed, good memory

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iamlindoro:

tomtom099, Was going by the datestamps from kernel.org, but they've obviosuly re-organized and compressed since

[17:29:40]

phunyguy:

i remember trying to dual boot linux with windows for the first time (Windows 95)

[17:29:47]

phunyguy:

i hosed up my windows install

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clever:

i still have a copy of win98 on my master backend

[17:30:01]

phunyguy:

thats what he just said

[17:30:05]

phunyguy:

clever

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phunyguy:

I have all microsoft OSs

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tomtom099:

I did my diploma work in the year when 0.99.13 went through many many versions, that was 93

[17:30:20]

clever:

i have win 3.11 somewhere still:P

[17:30:21]

phunyguy:

in an archive

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phunyguy:

MS Bob

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phunyguy:

dos 1.0

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phunyguy:

etc

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clever:

lol

[17:30:36]

phunyguy:

in fact

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clever:

i only have 2 versions of dos

[17:30:44]

phunyguy:

well its on a DVD archive

[17:30:58]

clever:

i have the original win95 on floppys!

[17:31:01]

clever:

14 disk set

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tomtom099:

then came .14 and .15 and finally there was a 1.0

[17:31:05]

phunyguy:

it is all versions of the OSs up to Server 2003 (minus keys)

[17:31:05]

clever:

with 1 more boot disk

[17:31:18]

phunyguy:

yeah i have those floppies as well

[17:31:23]

phunyguy:

it comes with EVERYTHING

[17:31:28]

phunyguy:

all teh upgrades

[17:31:29]

phunyguy:

etc.

[17:31:40]

phunyguy:

ppl think I haven't been around.

[17:31:46]

phunyguy:

oh well.

[17:32:01]

** phunyguy has a Vic 20. **

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phunyguy:

WHAT?!

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clever:

ive had a few of those

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iamlindoro:

phunyguy, most people who have been around develop a filter between their brains and their mouths/fingers

[17:32:30]

phunyguy:

its at my parents hosue like 1100 miles away though

[17:32:41]

clever:

not shure where they went

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clever:

but i still have a pair of c64's

[17:32:46]

phunyguy:

yes iamlindoro: you said a mouthful.

[17:32:53]

phunyguy:

clever i also have a 64/128

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phunyguy:

its both in one

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clever:

weird

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phunyguy:

yep.

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justinh:

ahhhh couch sweet couch

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tomtom099:

.............................so i still have this 100% /

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phunyguy:

........

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iamlindoro:

justinh, You'll want to avert your eyes from the channel, it's gone momentarily retarded. A good excuse to get work done.

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tomtom099:

at least i know now that it's only 14 years where i didnt really use a linux

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phunyguy:

o_O

[17:34:58]

phunyguy:

iamlindoro: what do you do for a living?

[17:35:02]

phunyguy:

just curious.

[17:35:06]

justinh:

lol

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iamlindoro:

phunyguy, That's really none of anyone's business

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justinh:

man du :)

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iamlindoro:

and irrelevant

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tomtom099:

but can I find out what to delete from /usr/share and from /usr/lib ?

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phunyguy:

ooooh

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phunyguy:

did i hit a button?

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justinh:

tomtom099: you shouldn't delete anything from /usr

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phunyguy:

sorry.

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iamlindoro:

tomtom099, did you go on a package-installing spree?

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justinh:

how big is / just out of interest?

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tomtom099:

AAAHHHH i think i found it

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tomtom099:

it's /var/lob/mythtv

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iamlindoro:

justinh, IIRC Mythbuntu installs a 10 GB / and devotes what's left to recordings

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tomtom099:

9 GIG

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justinh:

oof.

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tomtom099:

logfiles :-(((((

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justinh:

hahaha

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phunyguy:

oooof

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phunyguy:

that stinks

[17:38:47]

justinh:

those can safely be cleaned out

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clever:

ls -lShr /var/log/

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tomtom099:

yes justin

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phunyguy:

archive if you really want

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justinh:

/var/log/mythtv/

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phunyguy:

but prolly dont need to

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justinh:

you got verbose 'all' enabled or something?

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iamlindoro:

not to mention Mythbuntu should have 7 day log cycling going

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justinh:

_should_ have

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tomtom099:

yes they were indeed 7 days and younger

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justinh:

meheheheh

[17:40:07]

** Anduin places bet on there being something important in those logs **

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iamlindoro:

Anduin, I'll go one further and say lots of "No error from MYSQLERROR? Strange..."

[17:40:45]

phunyguy:

hah ive seen that error

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tomtom099:

my mythfrontend was trying to tell me "LiveTV forcing JumpTo 1

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tomtom099:

for about ... many ... times

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phunyguy:

just a few, eh?

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tomtom099:

can i force a logrotate?

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justinh:

ahh jochen. when will you learn to post to the right list?

[17:42:28]

tomtom099:

or is it safe to delete the current logfile too?

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clever:

id just truncate the bigest one

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clever:

ls -lShr to find the largec

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clever:

echo -n > bigfile.txt

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clever:

if its open by any program, then deleting it wont do any good

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tomtom099:

the current one is the biggest one

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clever:

and what is it called?

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justinh:

the biggest one isn't necessarily the issue

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tomtom099:

mythfrontend.log

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clever:

echo -n > mythfrontend.log

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clever:

should clear the whole thing down to 0 bytes

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tomtom099:

should....

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tomtom099:

ok it did (took about 20 sec)

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tomtom099:

9 more gig free B-)))

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clever:

now you should have a ton of disk space and can just pray that logrotate does its job this time

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tomtom099:

it wasnt logrotate's fault

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clever:

im thinking the file grew 9gig in under a week

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tomtom099:

it was the logfile from today (and the last few days)

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clever:

so logrotate didnt have a chance to rotate it

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tomtom099:

so logrotate dont check diskspace before work?

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Anduin:

if only you had the log file to see what actually went wrong...

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clever:

logrotate only runs once a day i think

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tomtom099:

Anduin: the (famous) last words were LiveTV forcing JumpTo 1

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tomtom099:

do you know what that means?

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tomtom099:

thats true, clever

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tomtom099:

anyway, if the 'real' error is still around, it will show up in the logs again

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Anduin:

tomtom099: it seems to mean you were watching live TV and the program changed

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tomtom099:

what changed?

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iamlindoro:

Cat standing on the chanup button for the last 7 days

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tomtom099:

oh...

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iamlindoro:

tomtom099, it was a joke ;)

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tomtom099:

sorry to hear that... i was already figuring how much I should offer you for this cat....

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phunyguy:

lol.

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tomtom099:

yes this one may take a while.

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phunyguy:

;)

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tomtom099:

bye folks... thanks for all your "man du" etc.

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unimaginative:

Woot! I finally got mythbackend to segfault during a gdb backtrace

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LanUser:

Hello – where are the mythfrontend startup switches documented?

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unimaginative:

http://rafb.net/p/OR8rFv74.html

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unimaginative:

Line 4521

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Anduin:

unimaginative: unfortunately reduced to process of elimination to guess at the actual thread as the stack is corrupted

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unimaginative:

hmm.

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unimaginative:

I wonder if rebuilding the mythbackend binary would help.

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Anduin:

It shouldn't, you have symbol information

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LanUser:

Is there a way to start mythfrontend and not have it use lirc?

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tank-man:

is lirc interfering with mythtv ?

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GreyFoxx:

LanUser: rename the .mythtv/lircrc file to some other name

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GreyFoxx:

then run mythfrontend

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GreyFoxx:

when you want it back rename it back

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unimaginative:

Now that I've scanned for digital channels on my new backend, is it safe to import my digital channels back into the 'channel' table?

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** iamlindoro punches inaccurate text scaling **

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unimaginative:

sphery, sphery sphery

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remark:

Hi, all! Anybody can help me with mythtv-setup?

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unimaginative:

remark, what is your problem, exactly?

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remark:

I have diseqc and Amos-Sirius-Hotbird on it, but i cannot see anything except Hotbird

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remark:

i don't understand what i do wrong-on my openbox recevier-i can see everything

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d0netsFN:

whats that

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d0netsFN:

sirius app?

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d0netsFN:

i would love to have my sirius stream and be recorded in mythtv

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remark:

Yes, sirius works only on my openbox-device, but not in dvbcard-where to check?

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iamlindoro:

You are talking about different things

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iamlindoro:

Sirius in the US = Satellite Radio Company. Abroad = Name of a satellite at 5 or so degrees east

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** directhex shoots iamlindoro into a constellation **

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** iamlindoro orbits geosynchronously **

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remark:

Sirius is one of sattelite that we can see in Eastern Europe in Ukraine

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justinh:

hmm. the Visitors were from Siruis. Be afraid. Be very afraid

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iamlindoro:

Hey, they just wanted a sip of water and some snacks for the road

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XLV:

ru serious?

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

yeah. I'm wearing my tinfoil hat right now as a matter of fact

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justinh:

hey wasn't 'V' in line for one of those 're-imagining' whatsits?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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** directhex feeds justinh a guinea pig **

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justinh:

be interesting to see what comes of that

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iamlindoro:

They trotted out the plot and said "Hey, here's the plot of the new version!" Except it was EXACTLY the plot of the original

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directhex:

iamlindoro, that's a good thing. v ruled

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directhex:

iamlindoro, except the end of v the final battle was rather deus ex machina for my tastes

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justinh:

the miniseries was great. the soap operas which followed.. less so

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** iamlindoro hands directhex a magazine of kevlar tipped rounds **

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directhex:

v could make a great game

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** iamlindoro eats a Hamm Tyler sammich **

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dustybin:

*sandwich

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justinh:

damn speech to text eh

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directhex:

michael ironside!

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, There's a difference between misspelling for cuteness sake and being an illiterate moron, you illiterate moron

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justinh:

btw dustybin I heard congratulations are in order :)

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justinh:

good luck tomorrow :)

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dustybin:

thanks :D

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dustybin:

I walked to the place i'm working yesterday, it took me 50mins to walk 4 miles

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dustybin:

8 miles per day exercise ftw

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** directhex sheds a tear **

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iamlindoro:

dustybin out of the channel for 10 hours a day FTW

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justinh:

blimey you did a recce? now that's keen

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dustybin:

aye, plus no more wasting money on lunch, i already packed my lunch box

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directhex:

iamlindoro, he'll be a working man, getting lots of exercise. even I don't get lots of exercise!

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justinh:

fnurrr!

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** iamlindoro gets lots of exercise **

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: rumours have it, you have the strongest right arm in the world :P

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iamlindoro:

strong enough to snap a pudgy limey, anyway

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dustybin:

:o

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kambei:

Does the backend wait for the channel changing script to exit (successfully) before attempting to acquire a stream?

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iamlindoro:

kambei, yes

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kambei:

iamlindoro: Does it require success?

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iamlindoro:

AFAIK, yes

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dustybin:

I will treat myself with a brand spanking new motherboard with my 1st pay, this will be the mythbackend HD board

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kambei:

iamlindoro: Would putting a long-ish sleep in the script be a problem, or would it wait patiently?

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justinh:

life requires success of one form or another :P

[19:51:28]

kambei:

justinh: I wouldn't know. ;)

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iamlindoro:

kambei, Anything happening in the midst of the script shouldn't bother Myth

[19:51:56]

kambei:

iamlindoro: So, let's say, if I put a 10 second sleep, Myth would wait 10 seconds before trying to do anything?

[19:52:01]

kambei:

Just in theory.

[19:52:10]

justinh:

yup

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iamlindoro:

Not that I've ever tried, but in theory yes

[19:52:17]

kambei:

Okay.

[19:52:31]

kambei:

Thank you both for your responses.

[19:52:40]

iamlindoro:

np

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justinh:

unless you call the channel changer script in the background.. say from another script ;)

[19:52:51]

justinh:

I've seen that somewhere

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kambei:

Understood.

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** unimaginative slaps sphery **

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** iamlindoro wonders why unimaginative thinks he has the clout to go around slapping/annoying senior channel members **

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iamlindoro:

we're getting a lot of that nonsense of late...

[19:54:24]

unimaginative:

iamlindoro, meh.

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** sid3windr slaps iamlindoro **

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justinh:

ahhh so that's where my alesis 3630 was

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unimaginative_:

bah, SLI bug

[20:03:34]

justinh:

damn. keep finding those mythtv case badges still

[20:05:15]

iamlindoro:

Send them to dustybin, he can stick seven of them on his next purple plastic case

[20:06:41]

kambei:

justinh: Compressor?

[20:06:56]

justinh:

kambei: aye

[20:07:20]

kambei:

justinh: Did you find it in the couch cushions? ;)

[20:07:34]

justinh:

haha no

[20:07:51]

kambei:

How do you misplace a rackmount compressor?

[20:08:08]

justinh:

you've not seen the computer room

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kambei:

We probably have the same level of organization. ;)

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justinh:

ahh. so this here cd cover has given me inspiration for icons

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nandor:

are there any howtos for installing trunk on mac os? I am getting a lot of "Using unsupported buffer type: 24 (parameter: 1)" starting up frontend and i suspect i am missing the right version of soemthing like a db driver

[20:13:49]

justinh:

simple line art :)

[20:14:06]

justinh:

nandor: sounds like a video playback profiles snafu to me

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justinh:

or maybe you don't have working opengl

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nandor:

well i had frontend working with .22 stable

[20:15:05]

nandor:

i updated the backend to svn and im trying to get the frontend working again on the mac

[20:15:18]

nandor:

i pulled the svn nightly build but i get a lot of

[20:15:26]

Dagmar:

I'll light some candles for you then

[20:15:27]

nandor:

well i dont want to paste in here just a sec

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nandor:

http://pastebin.com/d5ccb4695

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trumee:

guys, my frontendonly box directly jumps to LiveTV when i start mythtv. When i press 'Esc' key it quits mythtv.

[20:19:34]

trumee:

The frontend only box dont show the menus at all/

[20:19:39]

justinh:

trumee: duh. you need to use mythfrontend

[20:19:53]

justinh:

that's _mythfrontend_

[20:20:01]

justinh:

as opposed to _mythtv_ :)

[20:20:06]

phunyguy:

laff.

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trumee:

justinh, thanks :)

[20:20:31]

trumee:

justinh, back from a holiday and forgot the use of mythtv :)

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justinh:

'mythtv' is the player. give it a filename & the internal player will play the file. give it no filename & livetv will start

[20:21:24]

Dagmar:

But most importantly, fail to read the documentation and you will experience pain and confusion on a regular basis

[20:21:39]

BLACKthroat:

any suggestions on a good low-profile video card with hdmi output?

[20:22:51]

Dagmar:

You don't necessarily need HDMI unless your display device ONLY takes HDMI input

[20:23:25]

Dagmar:

There's going to be no difference between that and using DVI or VGA although DVI is preferred

[20:23:35]

Dagmar:

As to finding a low profile video card, check NewEgg

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XLV:

quite offtopic.. but i got a asus p5gc motherboard that doesnt have any optical audio out in the atx io panel, but an internal spdif header, so it needs this http://www.cesell.com/product.php?productid=33587 to have spdif out, optical and coaxial, the gpu atm is a nvidia 7950gt that doesnt offer hdmi audio ( and i dont want to change cause its cooler doesnt block any pci slots ), i am getting a SONY HT-DDWG800 amp+speakers combo, i'd like to hack a spdi

[20:26:40]

XLV:

f out, probably dremeling a hole on the htpc case ( a silverstone lc20 ) to mount the connector.. so how i should go about this? get a coaxial spdif out cable, slicing it open and getting a 4pin header connector, to connect it to mb? or theres some extra convertion in there?

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Dagmar:

1. Dremel is not a verb, it's a brand name. (They're getting grumpy about that because it's threatning their trademark on the name)

[20:29:52]

XLV:

Dagmar, yeah, ok, i'll remember to contact them and ask their price on using their brandname as a verb

[20:30:02]

Dagmar:

I'm serious

[20:30:08]

XLV:

Dagmar, me too

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XLV:

i'll contact them asap

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XLV:

legit is my middle name

[20:30:31]

Dagmar:

Maybe someday someone will explain trademark dilution to you

[20:31:13]

Dagmar:

For $14 I'd just buy the little backplane piece they're selling and use normal cables

[20:31:36]

Dagmar:

That was 2, by the way

[20:31:58]

XLV:

yeah, but .. its not available anywhere in my country ( i'd have to get it from uk or US ).. and it will slave one pci slot

[20:32:07]

Dagmar:

There /shouldn't/ be any extra circuitry needed

[20:32:54]

Dagmar:

XLV: Look at the PCB on the page you cited

[20:33:04]

Dagmar:

When I say "shouldn't be any extra circuitry needed" I'm talking about if you get that

[20:33:22]

Dagmar:

...and there's no rule that says you have to stick that into a slot..

[20:33:35]

XLV:

yeah.. a bit more dremeling

[20:33:38]

XLV:

oops..

[20:33:52]

XLV:

sorry dremel

[20:33:59]

Dagmar:

...although if you *have* an unused slot there wouldn't be much point in drilling a couple of holes

[20:34:02]

XLV:

your brand is safe with me

[20:34:15]

Dagmar:

It's not my brand and if you want to be an asshole I can always just ignore you

[20:34:35]

phunyguy:

hmmm

[20:34:50]

phunyguy:

My Asus mobo supposedly has a S/PDIF header on the motherboard...

[20:34:55]

phunyguy:

but i can't find it – lol

[20:35:06]

phunyguy:

(according to the bios)

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Dagmar:

phunyguy: check the motherboard manual

[20:35:19]

phunyguy:

well it only mentions it in the bios.

[20:35:23]

phunyguy:

so im sure it doesnt have it.

[20:35:51]

phunyguy:

and my optical out still isnt supported by alsa.

[20:35:56]

XLV:

phunyguy, yeah, get the manual from asus's site

[20:35:59]

phunyguy:

so i am forced to use analog/.

[20:36:10]

phunyguy:

XLV, it doesnt have one.

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dmb:

is it possible to use mythtv without a video source?

[20:36:32]

phunyguy:

video source meaning...

[20:36:39]

phunyguy:

tuner/capture card?

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dmb:

the video listings or whatever

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Dagmar:

dnb: Yes but there is literally no point in doing so

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dmb:

because i don't have the money to spend it

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dmb:

spend for it*

[20:37:04]

XLV:

phunyguy, whats the motherboard?

[20:37:04]

phunyguy:

was just gonna ask ;)

[20:37:08]

Dagmar:

It's not designed for "just" watching TV and does liveTV rather poorly

[20:37:12]

phunyguy:

M3N78-VM

[20:37:19]

Dagmar:

There's a manual for that

[20:37:21]

Dagmar:

I own oen

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phunyguy:

yes there is

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dmb:

Dagmar, is there any free listing solutions?

[20:37:40]

dmb:

in the US

[20:37:44]

Dagmar:

dnb: Not really

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phunyguy:

dagmar – i am ahving a heck of a time with that motherbaord

[20:37:52]

phunyguy:

having*

[20:38:02]

phunyguy:

dmb – there is a free listing source... TV Guide and your fingers.

[20:38:10]

phunyguy:

but i doubt you want to type all that.

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dmb:

there should be something that goes on one of the websites and parses out the data for free :P

[20:38:37]

phunyguy:

especially in sql syntax

[20:38:47]

dmb:

i just can't stand yearly/monthly fees

[20:38:47]

phunyguy:

well – it doesnt work that way.

[20:38:54]

phunyguy:

its $20 i think,. isnt it?

[20:38:56]

phunyguy:

for the year...

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XLV:

phunyguy, http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socketAM2 . . . 3_manual.zip

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dmb:

20 a year

[20:39:00]

phunyguy:

well worth it IMHO.

[20:39:05]

dmb:

if it was 20 forever, i would do it

[20:39:09]

phunyguy:

XLV i have the manual

[20:39:11]

phunyguy:

thats not the issue.

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Dagmar:

dmb: $20 is insanely cheap

[20:39:19]

phunyguy:

the issue is, there is no SPDIF header on teh motherboard.

[20:39:26]

phunyguy:

at all.

[20:39:38]

phunyguy:

SPDIF goes out HDMI / DVI / OPtical.

[20:39:39]

dmb:

Dagmar, per year?

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Dagmar:

phunyguy: The motherboard manual would say where it is if it existed

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phunyguy:

thats it.

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Dagmar:

dmb: Yes.

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dmb:

this isn't a dedicated tv box for me though

[20:39:54]

phunyguy:

dagmar – i understand – like i said – it only mentions it in the bios.

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dmb:

this is just a laptop that i occasionly want to do tv stuff with

[20:40:07]

phunyguy:

so its prolly a "generic" bios for multiple models.

[20:40:09]

Dagmar:

dmb: Then you don't really need mythtv at all then

[20:40:23]

Dagmar:

phunyguy: Well, generic to the m3n78 line

[20:40:29]

phunyguy:

right.

[20:40:36]

phunyguy:

aka multiple models ;)

[20:40:48]

justinh:

no tv guide data, no recording shows

[20:41:02]

justinh:

you can populate the database with 'dummy' data, sure. that'll work. kinda

[20:41:09]

Dagmar:

dmb: If you just want to watch videos for god's sake use mplayer

[20:41:45]

Dagmar:

Using MythTV for just watching videos isn't much different from breaking out a chainsaw and heading into teh woods because you need some maple syrup

[20:41:51]

justinh:

as for scraping webpages... it's a constant game of cat & mouse – which is exactly why so many people don't mind stumping up the paltry SD fee

[20:42:06]

phunyguy:

SD rules.

[20:42:17]

phunyguy:

best $20 i ever spent (lol)

[20:42:20]

dmb:

Dagmar, can you make mplayer scan for channels and stuff?

[20:42:27]

phunyguy:

wat?

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Dagmar:

dmb: No, if you're going to watch TV in realtime there's an app called TVTime that does a far better job

[20:42:41]

dmb:

oh

[20:42:47]

phunyguy:

so you just want to watch tv once in a while?

[20:42:52]

Dagmar:

TVTime is actually *really* nice for just watching live TV

[20:42:53]

phunyguy:

yeah mythtv isnt for that

[20:42:53]

dmb:

yup

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justinh:

with schedulesdirect you're getting data from (almost) the horse's mouth

[20:43:21]

phunyguy:

i was just gonna call YOU the horses mouth...

[20:43:22]

phunyguy:

lol

[20:43:25]

phunyguy:

when you said:

[20:43:34]

phunyguy:

[15:40] <justinh> no tv guide data, no recording shows <---

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phunyguy:

;)

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XLV:

phunyguy, theres an spdif out near the floppy connector

[20:43:58]

phunyguy:

*sigh*

[20:44:10]

phunyguy:

im not pulling the case out of the entertainment center again.

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Dagmar:

XLV: As of late ASUS has started to make multiple boards which have the same chipset but differing sets of features, which is what the -XX part of the model name is about. It's actually very possible that the -VM doesn't have that connector block

[20:44:56]

phunyguy:

i may not have a "V3"

[20:45:41]

phunyguy:

yeah i dont have that connector

[20:45:43]

phunyguy:

lol.

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dmb:

Dagmar, i know this is outside the scope of this channel, but i can't get it to sync with the audio, i have a usb card and it comes out as a input device

[20:46:03]

phunyguy:

i prolly have a V1 since i got it when it first came out

[20:46:08]

phunyguy:

or Vnothing

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dmb:

i use sox, and it is way out of sync

[20:47:36]

Dagmar:

What are you tuning in? ATSC or NTSC?

[20:47:58]

Dagmar:

I'm guessing NTSC

[20:48:10]

phunyguy:

mmmm.... pizza.

[20:48:20]

phunyguy:

err

[20:48:21]

phunyguy:

LAVA.

[20:48:26]

phunyguy:

dangit

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phunyguy:

hot.

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dmb:

Dagmar, NTSC

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Dagmar:

Hmm... There really shouldn't be lag, but Mplayer I was pretty sure had a setting you could use to sync the video and audio

[20:49:59]

XLV:

Dagmar, well, mb's header pinout, is +5V, spdif and ground.. a normal spdif pinout from a sound card is two pins, spdif and ground, so it seems theres some extra circuity in there on that asus module, if not anything else for the voltage needed.. so i guess slicing a cable and connecting it to the header wont work

[20:50:37]

Dagmar:

XLV: yeah that's why I was saying you might need the daughter card because it looks like there's a signal amp involved for the LED

[20:50:42]

phunyguy:

+5v is +5v.

[20:50:47]

phunyguy:

splice it from somewhere else.

[20:50:56]

Dagmar:

The coaxial connector might not need any extra stuff

[20:51:12]

Dagmar:

...or that might be optical isolation stuff on the little PCB there

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phunyguy:

could be

[20:52:33]

Dagmar:

dnb : Almost certainly you shoudln't need to use sox to do the playback, and it may be what's causing the audio to lag

[20:52:51]

dmb:

Dagmar, it only works if i do sox

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dmb:

Dagmar, otherwise i get no audio

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dmb:

because my driver creates /dev/dsp2 whenever i plug my device in

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dmb:

and that contains the audio

[20:53:44]

Dagmar:

dnb: Then you might take it upon yourself to read the manual for sox to figure out how to reduce the size of it's buffer

[20:54:05]

Dagmar:

Any TV playing program that *doesn't suck* should be able to pick up and use the sound input device on it's own

[20:54:23]

Dagmar:

You should not need to run *two* apps to watch TV and hear it

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dmb:

yeh, i agree

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phunyguy:

i love mini personal oven pizzas (Tombstone), but dangit they get HOT.

[20:58:07]

phunyguy:

especially when all the cheese comes off when you pull your mouth away and makes a nice lava blanket on your chin.

[20:58:22]

phunyguy:

that's ALWAYS fun.

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dmb:

phunyguy, whats fun is when part of it breaks off when its in the oven

[20:58:46]

dmb:

and falls on the burners

[20:58:52]

phunyguy:

laff.

[20:58:57]

phunyguy:

yeah they have you put it directly on teh rack.

[20:58:59]

phunyguy:

the*

[20:59:12]

phunyguy:

which is probably a bad idea in most cases.

[21:00:05]

phunyguy:

luckily I have beer to calm teh roof of my mouth down when it blisters.

[21:00:12]

dmb:

lol

[21:00:56]

phunyguy:

there

[21:01:03]

phunyguy:

got the cheese of one to let it cool

[21:01:16]

phunyguy:

(they have been out of the oven over 10 minutes)

[21:03:15]

phunyguy:

dmb – i take it you have started a fire in the oven due to a tombstone pizza?

[21:03:31]

dmb:

well, kind of

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dmb:

not a real fire

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dmb:

but burning

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phunyguy:

that sucks.

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dmb:

actually that was 2 days ago

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phunyguy:

lol!

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phunyguy:

dangit – #2 is still a lava pit.

[21:07:02]

phunyguy:

:-/

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nandor:

so im still having issues getting trunk frontend working on this mac here is what I am seeing: http://pastebin.com/d52f42484 anyone know what I might be doing wrong?

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Dagmar:

Expecting trunk to work?

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IPkaf:

hi

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IPkaf:

there

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IPkaf:

is there anyone ihere ?

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nandor:

Dagmar: well i know it works

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IPkaf:

hello

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IPkaf:

is there anyone ihere ?

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gbee:

no

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IPkaf:

i m sorry to say that

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IPkaf:

it's midnight ihere

[22:18:12]

IPkaf:

that's why

[22:18:16]

IPkaf:

well

[22:18:22]

arrrghhh:

how can i get myth to scan the .1 .2 etc channels? when i go to scan with my new digital atsc card it only seems to scan "whole" channels if you know what i mean.

[22:19:09]

arrrghhh:

my tv, when it scans, picks up a ton of channels on its own when it scans.

[22:19:21]

IPkaf:

i m just new user ihere

[22:19:30]

gbee:

arrrghhh: from what I here you aren't missing much ;)

[22:19:39]

arrrghhh:

?

[22:19:48]

IPkaf:

how to get start with mythtv ?

[22:19:57]

gbee:

what ATSC calls subchannels are apparently utter rubbish according to most US users

[22:20:10]

arrrghhh:

hrm

[22:20:15]

arrrghhh:

why does my tv pick them up so well?

[22:20:30]

gbee:

but that said, it should pick them up when scanning

[22:20:47]

arrrghhh:

IPkaf, first thing would probably be hardware...

[22:20:49]

gbee:

it suggests that they are sending broken tables

[22:20:57]

arrrghhh:

hrm

[22:21:17]

arrrghhh:

well i actually have comcrast cable. the first 1–80 or whatever are analog

[22:21:44]

arrrghhh:

then i get some random digital channels below 80 and a ton of digital .4 .3 whatever channels above 80.

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IPkaf:

sorry i don't understand ur sentence

[22:22:24]

IPkaf:

arrrghhh:

[22:22:27]

arrrghhh:

IPkaf, which one?

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IPkaf:

the first one

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arrrghhh:

first thing would probably be hardware? like a computer... video card w/tv out... capture card...

[22:23:01]

arrrghhh:

lotsa hard drives?

[22:23:07]

arrrghhh:

y'know, hardware?

[22:23:53]

IPkaf:

lotsa hard drives i don't know

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IPkaf:

what that it mean ?

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arrrghhh:

hard drives? storage space?

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IPkaf:

ok

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Dagmar:

You should never have to "scan" for subchannels.

[22:25:04]

IPkaf:

you mean i have to have more storage space is it ?

[22:25:28]

arrrghhh:

Dagmar, do i add all subchannels manually?

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Dagmar:

Subchannels are a fiction

[22:25:43]

arrrghhh:

IPkaf, i was just saying where a good starting point for a mythbox is.

[22:25:44]

Dagmar:

They can disappear or appear at any time

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arrrghhh:

Dagmar, discovery is ALWAYS on 85.4 for me.

[22:26:03]

arrrghhh:

there's nbc, fox, etc

[22:26:11]

arrrghhh:

fox digital -> 31.1

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Dagmar:

If you've got subchannels that are always being "shipped" by the provider, then sure. Add them as you like

[22:26:20]

arrrghhh:

ok

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Dagmar:

But the "85.4" is just "85" acutally.

[22:26:43]

arrrghhh:

hrm

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IPkaf:

well

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arrrghhh:

i've done tons of scans and i'm getting absolutely no signal strength.

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IPkaf:

i got X64 processor pc

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Dagmar:

.1, .2, .3, .4, etc are all the same channel, just some chunks of audio/video are flagged as belonging to each one

[22:27:00]

IPkaf:

just for it

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IPkaf:

is it enough ?

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jjwin2k:

mythtv ignores my remote. (irw does work)

[22:27:19]

jjwin2k:

help

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arrrghhh:

Dagmar, that's how multicast works right? i thought that's all it was

[22:27:23]

Dagmar:

IPkaf: You should read the wiki

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Dagmar:

arrrghhh: Multicast is similar yeah

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IPkaf:

what are the specification of the compture to install mythtv ?

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Dagmar:

IPkaf: That's in the installation docs

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IPkaf:

well

[22:28:03]

Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/

[22:28:04]

arrrghhh:

IPkaf, and there's so many ways to answer that question... backends can run with very little hardware.

[22:28:11]

IPkaf:

you ppl where are you from ?

[22:28:20]

Dagmar:

If you can't figure out how to read, just buy a TiVo

[22:28:29]

arrrghhh:

lmao

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IPkaf:

fabulous

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IPkaf:

even in a very little it possible to install mythtv ?

[22:29:15]

IPkaf:

on a router is possible ?

[22:29:20]

IPkaf:

i got openwrt

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IPkaf:

on my router

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IPkaf:

is it possible to install on it ?

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Dagmar:

You're either trolling or woefully below the required level of intelligence to do this.

[22:29:49]

arrrghhh:

what? IPkaf you're not from around here are you

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arrrghhh:

not sure where here is.

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IPkaf:

ok

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jjwin2k:

ah. reboot solved the problem.

[22:30:59]

IPkaf:

just to discover all mythtv functinnality

[22:31:16]

IPkaf:

just to discover all mythtv basic functinnality

[22:31:25]

IPkaf:

what is the best idea ?

[22:31:32]

Dagmar:

Reading the documentation

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IPkaf:

how to get to start it ?

[22:31:38]

IPkaf:

i mean

[22:31:52]

Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/

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phunyguy:

VMWare.

[22:32:11]

IPkaf:

is there any special linux distribution buit on for mythtv ?

[22:32:11]

phunyguy:

wow

[22:32:17]

Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/

[22:32:22]

phunyguy:

there seems to be a language barrier here.

[22:32:34]

Dagmar:

I think it's deliberate.

[22:32:41]

phunyguy:

troll.

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IPkaf:

where are you from ?

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phunyguy:

my mom.

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phunyguy:

o_O

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IPkaf:

hello

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phunyguy:

hey IPkaf: check this out: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Main_Page

[22:34:30]

phunyguy:

learn something.

[22:35:41]

IPkaf:

thx for your quick links

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phunyguy:

you're welcome.

[22:35:56]

IPkaf:

where are you from ?

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phunyguy:

my mom.

[22:36:10]

phunyguy:

why do you ask?

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IPkaf:

no

[22:36:15]

IPkaf:

no

[22:36:24]

phunyguy:

i am quite sure that is where I am from.

[22:36:27]

iamlindoro:

IPkaf, He's from the united states, but we're not all as foolish as he ;)

[22:36:38]

phunyguy:

somre are more foolish.

[22:36:41]

phunyguy:

some*

[22:36:55]

IPkaf:

because i from france

[22:36:55]

iamlindoro:

IPkaf, Not to worry, he's been around for about two weeks and apparently already believes he runs the channel ;)

[22:37:07]

phunyguy:

lol where did you get that idea?

[22:37:17]

phunyguy:

see this is what I am talking about.

[22:37:34]

phunyguy:

i have been on the channel 2 weeks or less. that much is true.

[22:37:39]

phunyguy:

you don't know me....

[22:37:51]

phunyguy:

i don't think i run this channel....

[22:37:59]

phunyguy:

but I do call it like i see it.

[22:38:05]

IPkaf:

well i from france

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Dagmar:

ve can only help vou after vous has read ze docs

[22:38:14]

IPkaf:

i wonder discovring this service

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iamlindoro:

phunyguy, you could have fooled most of us, given the brash and rude manner in which you treat those of us who have been around for years-- if you want to fit in and get along here, I suggest you remember god gave you two ears and one mouth, in that ratio, for a reason

[22:38:45]

IPkaf:

because it's totally new and for me

[22:38:57]

phunyguy:

i have been around for years as well... just not on a single IRC channel.

[22:39:14]

phunyguy:

so don't give me that, please.

[22:39:20]

iamlindoro:

phunyguy, But you are new to this community-- so why not spend some time living in it before running for mayor?

[22:39:30]

IPkaf:

i was thinging that my ISP discover this kind of technology

[22:39:44]

phunyguy:

I can't stand the uppity folks that call you a noob because you haven't been on their IRC channel for a while.

[22:39:50]

** iamlindoro sighs **

[22:39:55]

phunyguy:

jeez, i haven't been that bad.

[22:40:02]

phunyguy:

maybe to you...

[22:40:08]

phunyguy:

but you kinda started it :-/

[22:40:09]

IPkaf:

i was thinging that my ISP discover this kind of technology

[22:40:16]

directhex:

phunyguy for high chancellor!

[22:40:21]

iamlindoro:

phunyguy, Given the *numerous* conversations that have been had about you that you don't know about, let me do you a favor and let you know that you are *not* coming across well

[22:40:28]

sid3windr:

phunyguy: general "rule of thumb" in -any- irc channel is run with the flow for a short while

[22:40:29]

phunyguy:

i have been very cordial to everyone else on here.

[22:40:31]

CaptObviousman:

yeah, see

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sid3windr:

not trying to stand out because "that is how you are"

[22:40:36]

iamlindoro:

and I'll note that I had nothing to do with those conversations, by the by

[22:40:48]

sid3windr:

so yes, you are a noob in this channel

[22:40:48]

CaptObviousman:

there's this thing called "seniority" and when you snip at those with seniority, they get annoyed

[22:40:57]

CaptObviousman:

so shut up and listen more than you write

[22:40:57]

phunyguy:

i understand I am a noob...

[22:41:07]

phunyguy:

...to mythtv.

[22:41:09]

CaptObviousman:

lurk moar

[22:41:24]

phunyguy:

but when you are a noob at mythtv, you kinda get assumed that you are a noob to everything.

[22:41:26]

IPkaf:

what are doing there phunyguy ?

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sid3windr:

time for lart.

[22:41:40]

phunyguy:

its just frustrating, is all.

[22:42:06]

phunyguy:

it stinks that you can't "transfer" seniority.

[22:42:07]

CaptObviousman:

perhaps you're the tits in another channel and thought that might just carry over

[22:42:23]

phunyguy:

I have been on other programs, i mean everyone has their "thing"...

[22:42:44]

phunyguy:

but i hate that you have to walk on eggshells when you find something "new"

[22:42:55]

phunyguy:

someone called me out, and I defended myself.

[22:42:55]

sid3windr:

welcome to reality

[22:43:00]

phunyguy:

*shrug*

[22:43:14]

phunyguy:

and it turns out I was correct.

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CaptObviousman:

<CaptObviousman> lurk moar

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phunyguy:

i do lurk.

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iamlindoro:

phunyguy, Actually, DVI *still* doesn't carry audio

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phunyguy:

plenty.

[22:43:41]

iamlindoro:

but iff you are still butthurt about that, I strongly suggest getting over it

[22:43:43]

phunyguy:

not getting into it again.

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arrrghhh:

something about the tech industry just breeds arrogance. i work in a network services department in a large bank, and yea, a lot of arrogant anti-socialites.

[22:44:00]

XLV:

eggshells? you mean mythtv app is giving you trouble, or this channel? or you think you need badges to participate in an irc channel>

[22:44:13]

phunyguy:

it is apparent i need a badge.

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CaptObviousman:

badges? we don't need no steenkin' badges

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phunyguy:

:-/

[22:44:21]

arrrghhh:

lol

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phunyguy:

laff.

[22:44:37]

phunyguy:

now that was funny.

[22:44:37]

** sid3windr badges out **

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IPkaf:

hello

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sid3windr:

yellow

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Dagmar:

We're still ignoring the troll, right?

[22:45:05]

phunyguy:

ok fine, some of you may not like me... but yourselves in my shoes.

[22:45:17]

IPkaf:

i need a special linux distribution with mythtv ?

[22:45:18]

phunyguy:

but put*

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arrrghhh:

so how would i add a 85.4 channel to myth? i tried putting it in like that and it didn't work. i assume i plug my cable into the atsc port for digital channels?

[22:45:49]

CaptObviousman:

IPkaf: nope, not at all

[22:45:52]

Dagmar:

If you want to tune in ATSC, sure.

[22:45:55]

phunyguy:

lol

[22:45:56]

arrrghhh:

IPkaf, you don't _need_ one, but it makes it easier.

[22:45:58]

phunyguy:

he PMd me.

[22:46:03]

Dagmar:

If you'r trying to get digital cable you'd better hope you have a QAM-capable card there

[22:46:10]

CaptObviousman:

there are special distributions made to facilitate it

[22:46:19]

phunyguy:

what a troll.

[22:46:20]

arrrghhh:

i have a qam-capable card! wintv 1600

[22:46:49]

phunyguy:

also believe me, I did plenty of reading and googling before I even came in here.

[22:47:12]

iamlindoro:

apparently the terms "common courtesy" and "fitting in" weren't the ones googled

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phunyguy:

but you can only do so much without human interaction.

[22:47:33]

phunyguy:

iamlindoro: are you done?

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iamlindoro:

phunyguy, Here's a fantastic example-- you presume to dictate the behavior of those of us who have been here for *ages*

[22:48:01]

phunyguy:

ok so maybe i don't fit in, some folks make it awfully difficult.

[22:48:04]

iamlindoro:

if you don't like it, *ignore it*

[22:48:08]

arrrghhh:

is the digital qam the same port as the atsc?

[22:48:25]

iamlindoro:

arrrghhh, In most cards, yes (assuming the card is QAM capable in the first place)

[22:48:26]

arrrghhh:

i kinda assumed that. digital on one, analog on the other.

[22:48:29]

phunyguy:

is it hard for you folks to accept someone "New"?

[22:48:34]

CaptObviousman:

arrrghhh: on my card, the qam port and the atsc/analog are on different connectors

[22:48:36]

IPkaf:

i need tv server is it mythtv functionality ?

[22:48:47]

phunyguy:

because I have taken in a lot of crap since i logged in here.

[22:48:55]

phunyguy:

it goes both ways.

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sid3windr:

which is weird, because I had little crap to take in

[22:49:14]

sid3windr:

of course, my attitude was a little different

[22:49:21]

sid3windr:

but let's put this to rest and focus on myth

[22:49:27]

phunyguy:

i would love to.

[22:49:28]

CaptObviousman:

hey look, it's mythtv!

[22:49:29]

** sid3windr is actually 99% lurker in here anyway :] **

[22:49:31]

arrrghhh:

aye aye to that

[22:49:32]

CaptObviousman:

right over there!

[22:49:33]

sid3windr:

MIFF TEEVEE

[22:49:37]

sid3windr:

for great justice

[22:49:37]

Dagmar:

Iptraf: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/

[22:49:39]

phunyguy:

every time i open my fat mouth, i get told i am retarded.

[22:49:42]

arrrghhh:

CaptObviousman, what card do you have?

[22:49:50]

CaptObviousman:

arrrghhh: Kworld 115

[22:49:54]

phunyguy:

when 9/10 times I am talking about myth.

[22:49:55]

arrrghhh:

ah.

[22:50:02]

CaptObviousman:

phunyguy: give it a rest

[22:50:06]

phunyguy:

so it seems others cant put this to rest.

[22:50:11]

phunyguy:

ok.

[22:50:12]

phunyguy:

fair enough.

[22:50:26]

CaptObviousman:

arrrghhh: what card is you running?

[22:50:28]

phunyguy:

i have already tried to put this to rest, a few nights ago.

[22:50:36]

phunyguy:

so i will try again.

[22:50:37]

arrrghhh:

wintv (hauppauge 1600)

[22:50:54]

arrrghhh:

contextant chips all around. i did the install & the card is being recognized.

[22:51:18]

arrrghhh:

there's a how-to on the website for this exact card. main reason i bought it really.

[22:51:23]

CaptObviousman:

next question, and sorry if it's been answered already, where are you from, and what source are you trying to tune to?

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arrrghhh:

well i have comcast

[22:51:55]

arrrghhh:

i get some channels in analog

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arrrghhh:

like 2–80

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arrrghhh:

and random channels below 80 in digital

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arrrghhh:

like fox, 31.1 and 31.

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CaptObviousman:

so it's mixing analog and digital then

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arrrghhh:

or channel 9. 9.1 in digital. but then i also get a bunch of digital channels above 80. like discovery is 85.4

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CaptObviousman:

that's kinda neat

[22:53:02]

arrrghhh:

yea. my tv picks up a bunch of channels. they didn't give me a box.

[22:53:15]

CaptObviousman:

so you'd like to see Discovery, but currently it's not in your channel list?

[22:53:29]

arrrghhh:

i tried to add it manually

[22:53:33]

phunyguy:

that IS kinda neat.

[22:53:34]

arrrghhh:

scanning has done nothing.

[22:53:38]

arrrghhh:

i was told to not scan analog

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arrrghhh:

which i haven't

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phunyguy:

too bad I am not a fan of comcast.

[22:53:47]

phunyguy:

plus they arent in my area.

[22:53:50]

Dagmar:

They didn't give you a set top box?

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arrrghhh:

but scan on digital. which i have, and yeilds nothing. and comcast sucks.

[22:54:00]

Dagmar:

...and you're on Comcast?

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arrrghhh:

no it's the extended basic

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CaptObviousman:

came with your internet, perhaps?

[22:54:12]

arrrghhh:

yea

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Dagmar:

Okay, so you don't have digital then.

[22:54:15]

arrrghhh:

i have comcast high speed

[22:54:29]

arrrghhh:

well some digital channels come thru on my tv. like the locals in hd

[22:54:30]

phunyguy:

85.4 sounds digital...

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Dagmar:

ANything you're picking up digital over Comcast now is somethign they'd surely filter out if they could

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arrrghhh:

fox, 9

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phunyguy:

are you in the middle of the city?

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arrrghhh:

oh... well my tv picks it up, shouldn't the mythbox as well?

[22:54:56]

arrrghhh:

yea

[22:55:00]

arrrghhh:

downtown denver.

[22:55:00]

phunyguy:

hmmm

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Dagmar:

Your TV will be listening for ATSC if it's new enough

[22:55:12]

CaptObviousman:

well, at the risk of making you do more work, why don't you scan additively with both analog and digital, then delete the channels you don't care for

[22:55:14]

Dagmar:

Cable providers typically don't bother with ATSC.

[22:55:30]

** phunyguy listens. **

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arrrghhh:

i don't know what type of signal my tv is grabbing. i assume qam. i scanned with the "cable" setting.

[22:55:50]

CaptObviousman:

yeah, it's qam then

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phunyguy:

i still have a few months left on my sattelite contract, but I am contemplating switching to the local cable co...

[22:55:59]

arrrghhh:

it randomly picks up peoples on demand

[22:56:03]

arrrghhh:

and pay-per-view

[22:56:05]

arrrghhh:

it's weird.

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keith4_:

yep

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arrrghhh:

be flippin thru the channels and see porn on ffwd.

[22:56:40]

keith4_:

nothin' like trying to watch a movie with someone else at the controls

[22:56:40]

CaptObviousman:

that's quite a shame

[22:56:40]

phunyguy:

haha

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CaptObviousman:

I can see why you want mythtv, no sense letting that go to waste

[22:56:59]

phunyguy:

lol..

[22:57:02]

arrrghhh:

but most channels are constant

[22:57:05]

arrrghhh:

like discovery

[22:57:07]

arrrghhh:

locals

[22:57:07]

Dagmar:

Yeah, record it and just play it back in slowmo

[22:57:08]

phunyguy:

i am wondering the legality of it.

[22:57:10]

arrrghhh:

uhm

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Dagmar:

phuntguy: It's not

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phunyguy:

didnt think so ;)

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arrrghhh:

i dunno what else. i pay for extended basic or whatever

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phunyguy:

i didnt even thihnk what he is doing was possible.

[22:57:43]

arrrghhh:

2–80 or whatever in analog works

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Dagmar:

...but it's a service issue. ABout the only thing likely to happen is that Comcast will put another filter on the line if they figure things out

[22:57:53]

arrrghhh:

but i can't get anything on digital with myth.

[22:58:07]

arrrghhh:

it's been like this for more than a year. i dunno.

[22:58:12]

phunyguy:

i had a similar issue with my dvico card.

[22:58:13]

CaptObviousman:

is this an apartment or a house you live in?

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phunyguy:

could only get analog.

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arrrghhh:

house

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CaptObviousman:

you've got an antenna in the roof?

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phunyguy:

it was set to the wrong type of card.

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arrrghhh:

i figured i was paying for the analog + the constant digital channels

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arrrghhh:

no antenna

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Dagmar:

arrrghhh: You kinda need to have a specific thing in mind to pick up with Myth, like QAM or ATSC

[22:58:59]

arrrghhh:

and the extra digital channels that would pop in and out were just a bug in their system.

[22:58:59]

Dagmar:

Your chancces at getting much of anything to work without targeting a transmission type specifically are low

[22:59:06]

phunyguy:

so you said you got the digital channels on your TV?

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arrrghhh:

Dagmar, can i target the few digital channels i care about?

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Dagmar:

No.

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phunyguy:

...with another card perhaps?

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keith4_:

yes

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Dagmar:

You can target ATSC (i.e., digital over-the-air broadcasts) or you can target QAM (digital cable transmission)

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phunyguy:

split the cable signal...?

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Dagmar:

...or you can target NTSC (analog over-the-air)

[23:00:08]

phunyguy:

put a splitter in there and input to 2 cards...

[23:00:11]

Dagmar:

....but you will not get much of anywhere without something specific in mind

[23:00:22]

arrrghhh:

i can't target analog on one input

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arrrghhh:

digital on the other

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arrrghhh:

and put in the channels i want?

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phunyguy:

why not?

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Dagmar:

Yes you can

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arrrghhh:

i'd prefer to scan, but if i have to put them in manually.

[23:00:45]

Dagmar:

It' rather hard to get Myth to say, try to use a QAM card to pick up NTSC, man

[23:00:50]

phunyguy:

well you will only have to do it once.

[23:00:56]

arrrghhh:

lol yea

[23:01:03]

arrrghhh:

my tv is kickass apparently.

[23:01:11]

phunyguy:

wel..

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Dagmar:

You tell it about your cards, you tell it about what freq range they should use (if it matters)

[23:01:12]

arrrghhh:

i was hoping myth would be the same :D

[23:01:16]

phunyguy:

thats a TV tuner.

[23:01:26]

Dagmar:

The TV doesn't have to guess at the tuner type

[23:01:31]

arrrghhh:

indeed

[23:01:36]

phunyguy:

the tv guesses at the signal type.

[23:01:38]

Dagmar:

It *knows* what it's capable of and knows what can be searched through

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arrrghhh:

i see

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Dagmar:

It doesn't guess at the signal type

[23:01:52]

arrrghhh:

is there a way for me to define the range myth searches?

[23:02:08]

Dagmar:

Probably

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CaptObviousman:

arrrghhh: oh yes. There's a bunch of options in the channel scan dialog

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phunyguy:

you said you are only interested in a few channels?

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arrrghhh:

i played with the scan options

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arrrghhh:

i read comcast uses qam-264

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Dagmar:

There's very little point in scanning tho

[23:02:35]

phunyguy:

just delete what you don't want.

[23:02:44]

arrrghhh:

but it wouldn't pick anythign up

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arrrghhh:

i guess i'll try the other input on the card

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arrrghhh:

i thought that input was analog only tho.

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phunyguy:

and WHY does konversation do this?!? "[18:02] [Away] You are now marked as being away."

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phunyguy:

i am clearly chatting

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phunyguy:

lol

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arrrghhh:

phunyguy, use xchat

[23:03:14]

Dagmar:

arrrghhh: pretty much zero cards report signal strength info for NTSC (analog broadcast/cable) channels

[23:03:15]

phunyguy:

i have

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phunyguy:

just not recently.

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Dagmar:

THIS IS WHY I SAY YOU CAN NOT GUESS.

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arrrghhh:

Dagmar, ah i see!

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Dagmar:

You CAN NOT "scan" for NTSC

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Dagmar:

You need to KNOW what you're trying to tune in because THAT dictates what you can and can't do with respect to "scanning" as well as HOW you do it

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arrrghhh:

yea

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arrrghhh:

i figure if the signal is out there i could find a setting that would pick it up.

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Dagmar:

In almost every case it will be much easier to simply log into SchedulesDirect, tell it where your video signals are coming from, and then tell Myth to download the schedule and channel information

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Dagmar:

arrrrgh: "find a setting" sounds like more ways of saying "guess"

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arrrghhh:

i have done this. but i don't think the channels match up.

[23:05:22]

Dagmar:

Guessing doesn't always result in a boolean correctness-or-nothing situation

[23:05:37]

Dagmar:

Guessing can result in things getting screwed up in a way that require manual intervention to sort out

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Dagmar:

Like brutally mangled channel listings

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arrrghhh:

ok, how about this. how do i specify a channel? i tried putting one in manually, and when it asked for a frequency or channel number i just put in 85.4

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Dagmar:

"Channel" means different things depending on the source type/.

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phunyguy:

anyone have any experience splitting an input from an OTA HD antenna to two cards?

[23:06:24]

keith4_:

you're going to be sad

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arrrghhh:

hrm.

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phunyguy:

...or more?

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CaptObviousman:

yeah, that's a lesson I learned the fun way, channel # != frequency

[23:06:52]

keith4_:

when you realize that you need to correlate QAM channels with what SD says

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Dagmar:

phunyguy: Typically it's either going to work or you'll need a signal amp from the dept. store

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phunyguy:

so it will work.

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keith4_:

()manually

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phunyguy:

(with a signla amp)\

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phunyguy:

signal amp*

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arrrghhh:

hrm so what my tv is picking up is meaningless essentially?

[23:07:31]

Dagmar:

phunyguy: Depending on how strong the signal is, you might not need an amp

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keith4_:

arrrghhh: does your TV get 84.5?

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phunyguy:

meh its strong on some channels.

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Dagmar:

arrrghhh: Coupled with your lack of knowledge about what it's picking up? Ye.

[23:07:49]

Dagmar:

s

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phunyguy:

but 60% on others

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phunyguy:

sometimes 50%

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arrrghhh:

i'm currently watching discovery on "85.4

[23:08:09]

phunyguy:

I live in the boonies but at least all teh channels are one direvtion.

[23:08:15]

phunyguy:

direction*

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Dagmar:

If you _know a lot about these things_ you could get away with guessing

[23:08:26]

Dagmar:

If you don't, guessing is not going to work

[23:08:35]

keith4_:

arrrghhh: you're going to have to find the XMLTVID for discovery, and tell myth that 85.4 is 10536 or whatever

[23:08:43]

Dagmar:

phunyguy: Well, that's got to make using a directional antenna a lot simpler. :)

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phunyguy:

it does ;)

[23:09:00]

phunyguy:

no rotator needed.

[23:09:07]

phunyguy:

i just cant get NBS to save my life.

[23:09:10]

phunyguy:

NBC lol

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Dagmar:

keith4: At least until Comcast figures they've got too many people snooping the in-the-clear QAM and change the line-ups around

[23:09:20]

arrrghhh:

keith4_, where do i get those xmltvid numbers?

[23:09:28]

keith4_:

arrrghhh: the "report" from SD will give you channel->xmltvid mapping

[23:09:53]

keith4_:

Dagmar: yah. they do that'

[23:09:57]

keith4_:

RCN, too

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keith4_:

about twice per year

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arrrghhh:

oh

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arrrghhh:

that account i signed up for?

[23:10:17]

keith4_:

very, very aggravating

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Dagmar:

keith4: They do it here basically whenver a particular manager thinks his people aren't doing much and wants to be able to say they were busy doing something

[23:10:45]

keith4_:

ugh

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Dagmar:

...because it doesn't bother people with STBs in the least.

[23:11:14]

keith4_:

at least RCN isn't clever about it. they moved NBCHD from 104.1 to 104.2

[23:11:32]

keith4_:

...and then to 104.5, 6 months later, for example

[23:12:07]

keith4_:

but they move the non-HD QAM around more

[23:12:42]

keith4_:

so I have to waste an entire evening, watching every. damn. channel... to map QAM to RCN's "channels"

[23:12:53]

arrrghhh:

what does SD stand for again?

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Dagmar:

Hey at least they're broadcasting them in the clear where you are

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Dagmar:

arrrrgh: Depends upon context./

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arrrghhh:

schedules direct?

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phunyguy:

Shedules Direct

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Dagmar:

It could mean "Standard Definition" or "SchedulesDirect"

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arrrghhh:

lol i don't think that was standard definition

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phunyguy:

ok well I will try a splitter at first... and an amp if need be.

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keith4_:

log into the site, go to your lineup list, and click "report"

[23:14:02]

phunyguy:

just need to pick up another card.

[23:14:18]

** phunyguy anxiously awaits tax returns. **

[23:15:34]

phunyguy:

as well as another PVR-150 card.

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Dagmar:

No need to wait, you can generally file that stuff online now

[23:19:13]

phunyguy:

huh? who?

[23:19:33]

phunyguy:

i have already filed.

[23:19:42]

phunyguy:

but i have to wait for it to be deposited.

[23:19:49]

phunyguy:

(Feb 6th)

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phunyguy:

getting a pretty good return this time thanks to being a new homeowner.

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phunyguy:

i just recently heard about something I have never seen before... Anyone have any experience with it? Free To Air...

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phunyguy:

some ppl say its legal, some say they dont know...

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Dagmar:

Doesn't really happen in the US, sorry.

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phunyguy:

i wont touch it if it aint legal...

[23:23:52]

phunyguy:

well thats the thing

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phunyguy:

i heard about it from some folks at work that use it

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Dagmar:

Well, ask them what they're doing

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phunyguy:

ok, i figured i would ask here first.

[23:24:21]

Dagmar:

There's channels in the UK that are like that and legit

[23:24:32]

phunyguy:

i think i know whats up..

[23:24:36]

phunyguy:

it's not legit here.

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Dagmar:

There's pretty much no one sending anything over satellite in the US in the clear that's worth watching

[23:24:51]

phunyguy:

yeah i think they are stealing dish and directtv

[23:25:03]

phunyguy:

and i will have nothign to do with that

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phunyguy:

thanks for the response.

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arrrghhh:

well i put the channel and the xmlid and callsign in. i set the channel and channel/frequency to 85.4 – maybe that's where i'm going wrong? how can i tell what these need to be? i'm going off of what my tv is picking up.

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Dibblah:

FTA is legit.

[23:40:37]

phunyguy:

yeah i got the scoop on it thorugh a PM

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phunyguy:

through*

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phunyguy:

it is legit but can be used illegally.

[23:40:57]

phunyguy:

to intercept dish/directv

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Dibblah:

However, the boxes sold as FTA receivers are usually designed such that they can be easily misused.

[23:41:03]

phunyguy:

which I want no part of.

[23:41:41]

jpabq:

iamlindoro: I wonder how many people got HD-PVRs for Christmas?

[23:42:12]

CaptObviousman:

long story short, there's nothing to stop you from point a dish you've installed on your property any direction you like

[23:42:13]

directhex:

you can't use FTA illegally, if it's broadcast unencrypted then it's meant to be used. it's only when you start decrypting non-free broadcasts that you're being dodgy

[23:42:26]

** CaptObviousman remembers all the people that snagged free DirecTV back in the 90s **

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, too many

[23:42:32]

phunyguy:

can i point it to a military atellite and steal the data?

[23:42:39]

phunyguy:

yeah same thing

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phunyguy:

not doing it.

[23:42:46]

Dibblah:

directhex: ... And that's exactly what FTA receivers are designed to be able to do.

[23:42:56]

aBs0lut30:

hey guys, I'm back! finally got myth installed with my hd-pvr, got everything configured and am trying to test out live tv, but when I open it up my screen goes black for a few seonds and then takes me back to the menu

[23:42:59]

Dibblah:

With special firmware.

[23:43:05]

aBs0lut30:

the error I'm getting in the backend log is Channel(/dev/video0)::Tune(): Error -1 while setting frequency (v2): Invalid argument

[23:43:10]

iamlindoro:

directhex, The term is totally coopted at this point-- it sadly is synonymous with stealing

[23:43:13]

directhex:

Dibblah, well...

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phunyguy:

how do you have the PVR hooked up?

[23:43:35]

directhex:

iamlindoro, by cockbags. FTA has nothing to do with theft, anyone suggesting otherwise needs stabbing in the face a few times

[23:43:37]

phunyguy:

aBs0lut30...

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aBs0lut30:

USB

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Dibblah:

directhex: Indeed.

[23:43:48]

iamlindoro:

directhex, Agreed

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phunyguy:

USB WHAT

[23:44:11]

Dibblah:

Hmmm. Has anyone seen any issues with livetv in trunk?

[23:44:13]

phunyguy:

lol.

[23:44:26]

aBs0lut30:

as in usb to the pc and component to the reciever

[23:44:36]

phunyguy:

yeah directhex... i was hopeing for the best when I asked about it

[23:44:40]

phunyguy:

but i was sadly mistaken.

[23:44:42]

CaptObviousman:

there used to be a bunch of free stations and broadcasts, back when having a satellite was more hackerish

[23:44:58]

CaptObviousman:

but that culture's kinda disappearing

[23:45:10]

phunyguy:

aBs0lut30: i know nothing about it... sorry.

[23:45:24]

Dibblah:

Initial tune works OK (DVB), the next tune fails to get past stopping the pseudo-recorder...

[23:48:06]

aBs0lut30:

anybody have any ideas?

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Dibblah:

aBs0lut30: Which setup guide are you following?

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aBs0lut30:

well, lots of them, but the main one is the hd-pvr page on the mythtv wiki

[23:50:19]

iamlindoro:

aBs0lut30, do you have a channel changing script assigned?

[23:50:25]

arrrghhh:

keith4_, so how do i translate the 85.4 to a frequency or usable channel number?

[23:52:18]

aBs0lut30:

ahh, no, and I just read about that.... teach me not to read down the bottom of the page... that said is that something I have to create or will there be one out there...

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iamlindoro:

You can't use the HD-PVR's IR, so you'll need a separate IR blaster/firewire/etc.

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iamlindoro:

and yes, PLEASE read the page in its entirety, two of us have spent countless hours on it to *avoid* this stuff

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kambei:

iamlindoro: Which page is that?

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kambei:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR ?

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iamlindoro:

the HD-PVR wiki page

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aBs0lut30:

yeah, sorry about that... i am really bad about finishing reading down to the bottom of the page :(

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** aBs0lut30 slaps self with stupid stick... **

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goakes:

quick question for those in the room is it better to use a product like mythbuntu or to install a version of linux and then overlay mythtv on it

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clever:

depends on if your good with linux or not

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goakes:

i am asking because media center will not allow for you to tune to a qam clear channel with a 4 digit subchannel and im wondering how hard it is to get mythtv to do that

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clever:

ive seen some people that can bearly even install windows

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goakes:

no problems with that

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