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sphery:

Well, of all the people complaining about no info on how much space is used by LiveTV/Deleted/Watched(but not LiveTV or Deleted) recordings in "Why doesn't 'delete recording' actually mean'delete recording'?", only one of them seems to have actually set up the script I wrote to provide that info. Guess it wasn't so much the info they wanted as the chance to complain. :)

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iamlindoro:

stop helping the list, start helping ME :)

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clever:

lol

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clever:

your helpless:P

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iamlindoro:

Amusing that you of all people should make that accusation-- you'd be dead inside of a week if your father had a stroke

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clever:

he will be gone for 2 weeks next month:P

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clever:

start placing your bets!

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dustybin:

clever: get a job

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iamlindoro:

hell, ever garbagecan got a job

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iamlindoro:

even

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dustybin:

:P

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clever:

dad has made the comment that you need a grade 12 just to pick up garbage:P

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sphery:

iamlindoro: guess I should just help you, instead

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wagnerrp:

he is correct though...

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sphery:

back to my channel icons sg patch

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clever:

i havent finished my grade 11

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iamlindoro:

sphery, tha's the spirit!

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wagnerrp:

sphery was not helping you, rendering you help-less

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wagnerrp:

lack of being helped...

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iamlindoro:

I wrote two moderate sized patches seperated by a day... and they still managed to be sequential ticket #s

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iamlindoro:

guess the natives aren't feeling complainy ATM

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kormoc:

Ugh... users :P

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sphery:

kormoc: What happened now? Did someone tell you that you have to rewrite MythWeb in ASP.NET?

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iamlindoro:

WHY DOES HE HATE THE COMMUNITEEEE

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sphery:

iamlindoro: not a team player

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sphery:

oh, and all myth devs are mean

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iamlindoro:

I still propose that anyone who complains about myth devs be locked in a room with the ffmpeg team for a week

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dustybin:

this guy is worth a watch, might give the theme creators some ideas: http://headscape.co.uk/head/

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iamlindoro:

Why don't you watch and create a theme yourself?

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dustybin:

I am watching right now

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Anduin:

being a notch above ffmpeg shouldn't be a point of pride

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wagnerrp:

i cant listen to that accent for half an hour

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sphery:

Anduin: but at least with Myth it's not the devs who are mean, but the bouncers on the list who try to keep the riff-raff out of the club

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iamlindoro:

Anduin, Exposure to them would demonstrate the large number of notches you are above them :)

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** sphery is not understanding StorageGroup::GetStorageDirs() **

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sphery:

perhaps it's just my complete lack of Perl-foo that's holding me back

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dustybin:

http://faveup.com/ http://logopond.com/gallery/ <-- nice inspiration links for designers

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Anduin:

sphery: where are you getting lost?

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sphery:

Anduin: I'm trying to use the value returned and it's not working like an array I create myself--i.e. can't do a: join(", ", @dirs)

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sphery:

doing so gives me: ARRAY(0x9d59c34)

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Shovi:

anyone familiar with the Winfast 2000xp? I want to stream it to my laptop and watch it on there... or share it? and ideas?

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sphery:

Anduin: I'm sure it's some kind of not-knowing-the-difference-between-an-array-and-an-array-ref thing. I'll figure it out eventually, Google willing.

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Anduin:

sphery: @{$returnedvalue}

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sphery:

wow...

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sphery:

It works...

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sphery:

thanks

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Anduin:

Yeah, and people think C++ is hard/unreadable

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sphery:

I'll take C/C++ over Perl, any day

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sphery:

The sad part is that if I really cared to learn Perl, I'd try to figure out why "return \@recdirs;" is returning an array ref, but it's a lot easier just to move on now that I can make it do what I want.

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clever:

my dad keeps sauing how he asks what my c++ program does

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clever:

after 10mins he still doesnt understand:P

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wagnerrp:

sauing?

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clever:

saying

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wagnerrp:

oh

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clever:

y and u are right next to eachother

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Anduin:

sphery: returning a scalar helps keep the data together even when called in a list context is one possible reason

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Anduin:

(though I was never good at perl)

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dustybin:

my lord this is a _big_ list : http://www.google.com/patents?q=microsoft+win . . . arch+Patents

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d0netsFN:

hey why does my guide start at channel 70?

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d0netsFN:

thats the lowest channel i can set in mythtv

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sphery:

Anduin: yeah, I was more confused by the syntax--which looks like it's actually returning an array

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arrrghhh:

hi all. i've just setup a mythbox install with a pvr150. i can get video (static) if i cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg – that works. but myth doesn't seem to work with the card. it "sees" it, and i can set it as a capture card but under sysinfo it says "not available" for tuner1.

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wagnerrp:

did you make it an analog capture card? or an ivtv card?

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iamlindoro:

Did you do all the steps in mythvideo, in order (they are numbered for a reason) including setting up a listings source, binding it to an input, and getting channels from the listings source?

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arrrghhh:

analog capture card

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wagnerrp:

well then delete it, and add as an ivtv card

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arrrghhh:

well i did all the steps in order. but for a listing service i tried different ones (i don't want to pay for one – at least not yet)

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iamlindoro:

PVR x50s are not to be set up as plain v4l

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arrrghhh:

oh! well that's my problem there then.

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iamlindoro:

You well need to set up a listings source

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arrrghhh:

thank you! n00b mistake.

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iamlindoro:

Yuo can get a free trial at SchedulesDirect

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arrrghhh:

i can't pick no grabber?

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iamlindoro:

which is what you will need to use ultimately in the US anyway

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arrrghhh:

or... what was the one... where it grabs it OTA?

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wagnerrp:

there is no real functional grabber in the US

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iamlindoro:

can't grab OTA listings with analog cards

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arrrghhh:

that's disappointing.

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wagnerrp:

you *can* grab EIT data from broadcast stations with digital card

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wagnerrp:

but you typically dont get more than a day of data

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iamlindoro:

It's only $20 for a year, it's pennies

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arrrghhh:

yea i'll probably get a digital card. this system was literally being thrown away by my work.

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iamlindoro:

worth every cent

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arrrghhh:

yea that's not bad. but that's the same argument people make for xbox live :P

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iamlindoro:

If you are only capturing Antenna, you will need a digital card shortly anyway

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arrrghhh:

it's cable, but yea i'll want one anyways i think.

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iamlindoro:

xbox live goes to pay Microsoft... Schedules direct is community run and not-for-profit

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arrrghhh:

very true

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arrrghhh:

AND! if i get this working i can easily justify it :D

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arrrghhh:

1 sec, brb. gonna try to setup capture card again.

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sphery:

arrrghhh: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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arrrghhh:

so do i select mpeg-2 encoder card? i don't have a selection for plain ivtv...

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

mpeg-2 encoder

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mag0o:

3:10:00

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mag0o:

1:00:00

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arrrghhh:

and what's that link for sphery? mysql i think is fine (albeit i haven't tested it)

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mag0o:

oops, excuse that :)

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arrrghhh:

yea i definitely need a digital card. bummer. i was hopin this one would handle it haha. c'est la vie, it was free!

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iamlindoro:

Handle what? You can use an analog card with your cable fine

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arrrghhh:

i was hoping this new card would handle digital signals

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arrrghhh:

i get a *few* channels in analog from cable

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arrrghhh:

a get quite a few more channels in digital.

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iamlindoro:

nope... but then again, you need to be aware of what you are going to get off your cable with a digital card

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iamlindoro:

with a digital card on your cable, you're going to get NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox... maybe some ccommunity college channels... and that's about it

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arrrghhh:

well i have a hdtv with a digital tuner

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arrrghhh:

so i know exactly what i *should* get.

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arrrghhh:

based on what my tv picks up at least.

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iamlindoro:

ok

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arrrghhh:

i just got the pvr150 and comp today.

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sphery:

arrrghhh: What's that link for? It's how to clean up the mess you made when you improperly defined the capture card. It has nothing to do with MySQL.

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** mag0o likes the 3 diff pbs i get, and their listings data, pretty comprehensive **

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arrrghhh:

oh

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arrrghhh:

hrm

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arrrghhh:

well this is unfortunate. i did a channel scan, i saw it pick up some channels! yay! but i go to watch tv and still nothing. i did the mythfilldatabase...

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sphery:

arrrghhh: if you're in the US, you do /not/ do a channel scan with an analog card.

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sphery:

it will break things

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iamlindoro:

Both the link you were given and I directly said that you don't scan for analog channel

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iamlindoro:

go sign up for the free trial at SD, and follow sphery's link

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sphery:

I'd paste the contents of that link here, but someone would yell at me to pastebin it. So really, I'd have to pastebin it, then I'd have to give you a link to the pastebin, then you wouldn't read that, so I'm stuck.

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sphery:

iamlindoro: the channel icons sg patch is taking way too long... I figured I'd get the annoying perl out of the way first, and it's not cooperating.

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arrrghhh:

hrm

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sphery:

and this was supposed to be my warm up before doing a tough patch

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arrrghhh:

i didn't realize i couldn't do a scan.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, No excuses

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arrrghhh:

i didn't read that whole page, i admit that. but i flat out didn't see you say anything about scanning.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Get back to work, I've got deadlines

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iamlindoro:

;)

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sphery:

arrrghhh: If you're (a North American user) using an analog source: Do /not/ scan for channels.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Anyway, still fighting with the Perl part, or...?

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sphery:

but, if you didn't read it, I shouldn't expect you to have seen that

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sphery:

yeah, perl part

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iamlindoro:

A bit yucky that there's perl to deal with in the SG code

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sphery:

almost got it done, but once I finish it, my dinner is likely to pop to the top of my priority list

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sphery:

perl's in channel_icons.pl

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** iamlindoro sets Sphery_dinner to record later **

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sphery:

there's also the (TTBOMK, still broken) libs/libmythtv/importicons.cpp (which I'll have to fix and then fix for SG :)

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sphery:

and programs/mythfilldatabase/fillutil.cpp

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sphery:

then after that, there's all the code that actually /uses/ (versus saving) channel icons. :)

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sphery:

you wouldn't happen to know the right way to pass arguments to the MythTV::StorageGroup constructor, would you? If I use: my $sgroup = new MythTV::StorageGroup({ 'groupname' => 'DB Backups' }); I get a problem related to the lack of _mythtv (because I'm breaking the assumptions made by the constructor, it seems)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Nope, haven't looked at or touched the SG stuff

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iamlindoro:

Greyfoxx might know off thetop of his head though

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iamlindoro:

sphery: MOAR OPTIONS http://www.fecitfacta.com/crowded.png

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sphery:

If xris were around...

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sphery:

nice

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iamlindoro:

Heh, it's actually getting a bit crowded for my tastes but I don't want to hide the options on page 8 either

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iamlindoro:

I guess 6 fields on a page isn't that bad

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arrrghhh:

so do i define all my channels manually?

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arrrghhh:

i defined one... i deleted out all the scanned channels it found and added one, i still don't get it. i hit "watch tv" and the screen flickers and does nothing. i definitely don't have this configured correctly

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iamlindoro:

No. One more time, you sign up for a trial account at SD, you set it up properly in Myth, and you fetch channels from the listings source. I *promise* the link sphery gave you tells you the right thing to do. Failing that, the myth manual is where to start

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I think I figured it out... Need to pass $Myth, then the hash ref of values. Don't know if that's considered prettier than: my $sgroup = new MythTV::StorageGroup(); $sgroup->{'groupname'} = 'DB Backups'; , but it seems more efficient since the constructor gets the dirlist (so give it the right info first)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, That will likely start to make sense if I ever dare to look at SG code :)

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arrrghhh:

ok, i'll sign up for the acct. i was hoping to at least test it.

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sphery:

actually, I'm just learning things about Perl OO that I don't care to learn. After all, if it's worth doing with the up-front cost of OO, why not use a real language. :)

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sphery:

arrrghhh: 7-day free trial for testing

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iamlindoro:

arrrghhh, You are living up to your name, man... for the third time, there is a free 7 week trial

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wagnerrp:

arrrghhh: yeah, you test it with the free trial

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iamlindoro:

7 day

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sphery:

1 week

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arrrghhh:

lol ok ok !

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sphery:

1/52 of a year

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arrrghhh:

i didn't want to sign up for anything but ok!

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wagnerrp:

168 hours

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arrrghhh:

i only get like maybe 10 analog channels, 15 at most... so until i get a digital card, it's kinda worthless to have a whole program guide

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sphery:

604800 seconds

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is worthless without a program guide

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sphery:

yeah, because you can probably memorize a one or 2 week schedule for 10–15 channels

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iamlindoro:

6.048 x 10^20 femtoseconds

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J-e-f-f-A:

you forgot 10,080 minutes... ;-)

[02:52:32]

arrrghhh:

i don't really care about the schedule...

[02:52:35]

arrrghhh:

is that wrong?

[02:52:36]

wagnerrp:

the europeans have scrapers, but no one bothers to maintain worthwhile scrapers in the states

[02:52:42]

sphery:

If you don't think you need listings, you don't want Myth--use tvtime or something

[02:52:45]

iamlindoro:

"<wagnerrp> mythtv is worthless without a program guide"

[02:52:53]

wagnerrp:

because we had zap2it in the past, and now schedules direct

[02:52:54]

arrrghhh:

to you

[02:53:08]

iamlindoro:

Myth is *not* a TV watching app

[02:53:13]

sphery:

arrrghhh: no, to everyone

[02:53:18]

iamlindoro:

it's a DVR... which by definition relies upon schedules

[02:53:21]

arrrghhh:

zap2it still exists doesn't it?

[02:53:23]

sphery:

arrrghhh: 01.22 21:52:42 < sphery> If you don't think you need listings, you don't want Myth--use tvtime or something

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is intended for you to record now, and watch later

[02:53:31]

** J-e-f-f-A sighs... $20/year is NOT alot of money... jeeze... **

[02:53:39]

wagnerrp:

manual recordings are a pain

[02:54:21]

wagnerrp:

you can do livetv, but if youre only watching livetv, you may as well just stick with your tv

[02:54:24]

sphery:

zap2it, the website, exists, but it's a violation of their TOS to scrape their website. Plus, it's a **** of a lot cheaper to pay $20/yr (= a nickel a day) for listings that don't require hours of work every time the zap2it website changes.

[02:54:32]

arrrghhh:

i just wanted to be able to watch tv, pause it, and maybe schedule a few recordings. this comp has a tiny hard drive right now, so a lot of recordings don't really interest me. why the heck do i even have to justify myself?

[02:54:45]

arrrghhh:

i see

[02:54:57]

kyriptic:

setting up xmltv to scrape that shit was a huge bitch too

[02:54:59]

kyriptic:

i'm happy to pay my money

[02:55:11]

sphery:

kyriptic: agreed!

[02:55:19]

arrrghhh:

i don't pay for tv, paying for tv listings just seems silly. no matter how "cheap" it is.

[02:55:28]

wagnerrp:

i thought you had cable

[02:55:37]

sphery:

plus, we get a /lot/ more data from Schedules Direct than we ever got from the zap2it website

[02:55:44]

sphery:

so it's far more useful

[02:55:46]

jams:

kyriptic- please censor your self

[02:55:46]

arrrghhh:

i do have cable

[02:55:51]

wagnerrp:

so you pay for tv

[02:55:58]

sphery:

arrrghhh: and don't say no

[02:56:03]

arrrghhh:

well... i have cable internet.

[02:56:09]

kyriptic:

my apologies jams

[02:56:10]

sphery:

arrrghhh: because if you're stealing TV you're not welcome here

[02:56:18]

arrrghhh:

nice

[02:56:32]

iamlindoro:

That's how we roll here... legal-like.

[02:56:34]

arrrghhh:

well i do appreciate the help. what about ota?

[02:56:39]

arrrghhh:

i have rabbit ears haha

[02:56:50]

arrrghhh:

probably get more channels with that in analog right now than my cable.

[02:57:02]

wagnerrp:

you can get EIT data off broadcasters

[02:57:10]

wagnerrp:

in europe, thats actually worthwhile

[02:57:18]

sphery:

I have OTA and my $20/yr for listings is a lot cheaper than my friends' $40-$100/mo for cable TV and a lot cheaper than TiVo's $15/mo (???) or whatever for their listings

[02:57:19]

wagnerrp:

in the US, youre only going to get a day or so

[02:57:20]

arrrghhh:

and that's free

[02:57:30]

wagnerrp:

but... if you only want to watch livetv, that should be sufficient for your purposes

[02:57:31]

arrrghhh:

yea

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sphery:

arrrghhh: and it's only available with digital TV

[02:57:46]

iamlindoro:

If you only want to watch LiveTV, use Kaffeine or tvtime

[02:57:48]

arrrghhh:

yea. i need to get a digital card it would seem.

[02:57:57]

iamlindoro:

myth is absolutely the wrong choice for that

[02:58:07]

arrrghhh:

well i like the idea of being able to pause it, skip commercials, and make a few recordings.

[02:58:13]

sphery:

arrrghhh: and almost no cable company in the US has any EIT data (with the possible exception of now/next) because they want you to rent their STB's

[02:58:15]

arrrghhh:

i don't have terabytes of hard drive space.

[02:58:42]

wagnerrp:

arrrghhh: i only have some 600GB of storage made available to myth for recordings

[02:58:49]

wagnerrp:

and thats good enough for several days of video

[02:58:51]

sphery:

I only have 6TB

[02:58:52]

arrrghhh:

i have 27gb free

[02:59:16]

mzb_d800:

Hi all. I'm getting brain fade on my dvb-s card. Perhaps someone can advise me?

[02:59:17]

arrrghhh:

lol only 6tb! yea, just a petabyte. what.

[02:59:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: show off! ;-) I've at least got 3TB... ;-)

[02:59:19]

wagnerrp:

well... talk to clever about getting that kind of system set up

[02:59:24]

sphery:

I haven't yet recorded enough TV to find out how much 6TB is good for

[02:59:30]

mzb_d800:

I've moved the dish onto Optus D1 successfully.

[02:59:41]

mzb_d800:

I can scan the transports and add channels.

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mzb_d800:

The issue I have now is that the channels of interest (ABC and SBS) have different versions for each region or state.

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: my 6TB is an accident due to 3 HDD failures (which were replaced with 1.5TB HDD that were put into Myth and the smaller Myth disks were rolled down to the systems with failed HDD's)

[03:01:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

mzb_d800: SBS? A new network?

[03:01:24]

mzb_d800:

How do I configure a single card with multiple (versions of) the same grabber?

[03:01:45]

mzb_d800:

J-e-f-f-A: no. Government run multicultural channel

[03:01:49]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, Australia/Tasmania

[03:01:52]

sphery:

mzb_d800: only one video source per input

[03:01:56]

iamlindoro:

ABC = Aussie

[03:02:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

ah... ;-)

[03:02:06]

iamlindoro:

versus American

[03:02:13]

mzb_d800:

sphery: yes ... got that far

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sphery:

mzb_d800: do you have multiple inputs on that card or do you need to "mux" channels from multiple XMLTV listings sources into one video source?

[03:02:32]

mzb_d800:

but the grabber (shepherd) can be configured for each region

[03:02:39]

sphery:

so mux?

[03:02:41]

iamlindoro:

The shepherd grabber they use down there, combined with the "Meh, whatever" attitude towards start times makes my head hurt

[03:03:02]

mzb_d800:

um ... DVB-S set to 5 inputs

[03:03:16]

iamlindoro:

mzb_d800, They don't send out EIT on Optus?

[03:03:22]

arrrghhh:

and for the record i'm technically not stealing cable. i didn't modify my cable box in any way shape or form.

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mzb_d800:

I guess they would, but I want the EPG to be consistent across all sources

[03:03:45]

sphery:

mzb_d800: I think this is what you want: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/354895#354895

[03:03:50]

iamlindoro:

arrrghhh, If social security checks arrive at your house in your name, but you never signed up for them, and you cash them, is it stealing?

[03:04:07]

arrrghhh:

iamlindoro, hrm. in my name?

[03:04:08]

mzb_d800:

"clerical error in your favour" ;)

[03:04:22]

arrrghhh:

well... i guess that depends if i qualify in the first place

[03:04:30]

arrrghhh:

at 24, i wouldn't qualify so yes that would be stealing.

[03:04:54]

iamlindoro:

okay, so do you qualify to get *any* item without paying for it, if under any other circumstance you would be charged?

[03:05:10]

sphery:

arrrghhh: you should really read the contract you have with your cable company before you give legal advice about the meaning of Theft of Service

[03:05:21]

iamlindoro:

Since you only "qualify" for a good or service if you pay for it...

[03:05:25]

arrrghhh:

at the rate i'm paying comcast? and if they want to pipe those frequencies to me that's their choice.

[03:05:26]

** sphery sends a quick e-mail to arrrghhh's cable co **

[03:05:45]

iamlindoro:

ah, so it's *you* who has decided you "deserve" it

[03:05:49]

arrrghhh:

lol

[03:05:51]

arrrghhh:

yea you email comcast

[03:05:58]

mzb_d800:

hmm ... ok, so after a channel scan, I should manually change the id's so that they're all different? .... and _then_ configure the grabber to only pull on certain .... err... this is where I'm getting confused.

[03:06:10]

iamlindoro:

Another on the list, then

[03:06:29]

mzb_d800:

eg: ABC(WA), ABC(SA), ABC(Vic), ABC(NSW), ABC(Queensland) ... etc

[03:06:41]

mzb_d800:

(covering 3 or 4 timezones!;))

[03:06:55]

arrrghhh:

stealing from big companies has never really concerned me. i steal from M$ all the time, i never batted an eye at it.

[03:07:07]

sphery:

arrrghhh: please don't talk about stealing here

[03:07:12]

iamlindoro:

arrrghhh, That talk, and that attitude will get you kicked and banned here

[03:07:19]

mzb_d800:

essentially all with the same content, but at different times (and with different local news, etc)

[03:07:45]

phunyguy:

sweet

[03:07:49]

sphery:

mzb_d800: if the channels have different content shown at the same time, the channels should have different callsigns. They /must/ have different xmltvid's to get different listings.

[03:07:54]

phunyguy:

the K6–2/500 is ready for some PVR cards...

[03:08:01]

mzb_d800:

so the idea is that if the scheduler decides there's a conflict on local dvb-t, I'm hoping to grab a programme (say) two hours later on ABC(WA)

[03:08:03]

arrrghhh:

alrighty, i don't want to offend anyone. i'm not trying to convince anyone that stealing is right or even good.

[03:08:04]

sphery:

mzb_d800: I would guess that they already have different xmltvid's

[03:08:04]

phunyguy:

revived the dinosaur

[03:08:21]

mzb_d800:

sphery: not by default

[03:08:25]

sphery:

mzb_d800: it will do that as long as you don't use the "this channel" rules

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phunyguy:

throwing ubuntu server on it

[03:08:38]

sphery:

mzb_d800: even though they're offset by a couple of hours? That's annoying.

[03:09:06]

phunyguy:

hey -for OTA HD, that is also already compressed digital video, so there isnt much overhead except for playback, right?

[03:09:18]

mzb_d800:

but your mention of callsigns + xml id's stirs some neurones into action ... I'll have a play. Thanks for the advice.

[03:09:24]

sphery:

mzb_d800: sounds like you'll have to make some script to integrate the listings--doing xmltvid substitutions. Probably one that a lot of people down there would be happy to see. Might even want to talk with the XMLTV guys.

[03:09:41]

mzb_d800:

ok, thanks

[03:09:56]

mzb_d800:

I might get onto the shepherd list and have a look

[03:09:58]

arrrghhh:

most ota hd is mp4 h264 but wouldn't you need your video card to natively decode that? otherwise the load is on the processor.

[03:09:59]

sphery:

they may appreciate that functionality in the xmltv scripts (at least the sheperd script)

[03:10:11]

phunyguy:

i said except for playback

[03:10:15]

wagnerrp:

arrrghhh: where did you get that idea from?

[03:10:31]

phunyguy:

but like just takin the data and throwing it to disk..

[03:10:32]

arrrghhh:

what

[03:10:35]

sphery:

phunyguy: in the US, it's MPEG-2, so it's easy to decode on the CPU

[03:10:43]

sphery:

phunyguy: but for recording there's virtually no load

[03:10:44]

phunyguy:

im talking for backend

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phunyguy:

:)

[03:10:49]

wagnerrp:

"<arrrghhh> most ota hd is mp4 h264"

[03:10:51]

phunyguy:

thank you.

[03:10:54]

arrrghhh:

it's not all mpeg-2. i don't know how much is mp4.

[03:11:11]

sphery:

arrrghhh: All ATSC is MPEG-2

[03:11:15]

arrrghhh:

i used to work for a company that built cable headends and a lot of it was h264 if it was hd.

[03:11:17]

arrrghhh:

hrm

[03:11:18]

sphery:

arrrghhh: satellite co's use MPEG-4

[03:11:25]

arrrghhh:

maybe that's directly from the sat provider

[03:11:37]

arrrghhh:

like we tapped into NBC's direct feed, etc.

[03:11:47]

wagnerrp:

satellite can use h264, and the backend feeds can be whatever they want

[03:11:54]

arrrghhh:

yea

[03:12:01]

sphery:

arrrghhh: a cable company might be able to use MPEG-4 (since it's a rebroadcaster), but broadcasts in the US (OTA) are always ATSC

[03:12:06]

wagnerrp:

but broadcast atsc is entirely mpeg2, container and video

[03:12:09]

wagnerrp:

with ac3 audio

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arrrghhh:

ah

[03:12:29]

wagnerrp:

last year, there was a revision to allow h264 compression for video, but no one uses it and no one supports it for playback

[03:12:31]

arrrghhh:

i see! i was not talking about ota hd.

[03:12:52]

arrrghhh:

i said i was, my apologies.

[03:13:20]

sphery:

wagnerrp: revision to ATSC?

[03:13:27]

arrrghhh:

i was just thinking in my head how nbc uses a h264 for their hd.

[03:13:57]

sphery:

If so that's just plain wrong. How many people have HDTV tuners/decoders that cannot do MPEG-4, now?

[03:14:36]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, as of july 2008

[03:14:39]

sphery:

and the entire $2B (or was it $8B) of tax dollars spent on the coupon program is getting people MPEG-2-capable-only decoders, so...

[03:14:41]

iamlindoro:

sphery, yes, latest ATSC standard allows h.264

[03:15:17]

iamlindoro:

amusingly, our ATSC tuners would probabl;y be fine with h.264 since they don't do any decode

[03:15:27]

iamlindoro:

tuenr cards, that is

[03:15:37]

arrrghhh:

that's awesome. i love the gov't. 85 million US customers were supposed to have fiber-to-the-home by 2004 with 45mbps bi directional.

[03:15:42]

sphery:

yeah, but the decoders in TV's and "Digital TV converter boxes"

[03:15:50]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Yep, no luck for them

[03:16:13]

sphery:

You don't realize how much my blood pressure went up since learning this.

[03:16:34]

sphery:

And I'm having thoughts about places I could go next time I do some work in D.C.

[03:16:40]

sphery:

and what I might carry with me when going there.

[03:17:09]

sphery:

Oh, forgot to paste this a while ago: 556 programs, using 3 TB (25 days 2 hrs 18 mins) out of 6 TB (3 TB free).

[03:17:34]

arrrghhh:

do you have that all in one pool?

[03:17:36]

arrrghhh:

what is that... lvm?

[03:17:43]

sphery:

so it seems that 3TB is good for 25 days, 2 hrs of recordings (=602hrs), meaning I can get about 1200 hrs in my 6TB

[03:18:10]

sphery:

arrrghhh: nope... LVM is not recommended, anymore. Myth supports "Storage Groups" which are logical names associated with a list of directories.

[03:18:20]

sphery:

So I just have a bunch of directories into which Myth writes recordings.

[03:18:31]

sphery:

And the same applies for RAID--it's not recommended for Myth.

[03:18:38]

arrrghhh:

hrm

[03:18:46]

sphery:

The best Myth boxes have no multiple-disk in sight.

[03:18:50]

arrrghhh:

i have a server with almost 2tb, but it's scattered across many hdds.

[03:18:53]

sphery:

(at least for recordings directories)

[03:19:19]

sphery:

arrrghhh: that works... Just mount the dirs and define them in a storage group and you'll finally figure out what Myth is good for. :)

[03:19:29]

arrrghhh:

lmao

[03:19:35]

arrrghhh:

i think i need to pony up for a digital card.

[03:20:05]

sphery:

Total Space: 6,318,290 MB

[03:20:10]

arrrghhh:

now the omnious question, what's the "best" card for this with linux? i knew when i saw this hauppauge card it would probably work with linux.

[03:20:16]

phunyguy:

so myth just takes thed total storage space and does what it needs with it?

[03:20:19]

phunyguy:

the*

[03:20:32]

phunyguy:

regardless of "physical" location?

[03:21:04]

sphery:

phunyguy: assuming it has access, yeah

[03:21:15]

wagnerrp:

arrrghhh: ive got a 1250 i like, the 5500s are designed for linux, the hdhr is another well recommended tuner (but its actually a network attached dual tuner)

[03:21:17]

phunyguy:

well yeah

[03:21:22]

phunyguy:

i meant theoretically

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arrrghhh:

hrm

[03:21:53]

phunyguy:

so you think i could put my dvb card in the k6–2?

[03:22:11]

phunyguy:

for backend purposes?

[03:22:14]

wagnerrp:

shouldnt be a problem

[03:22:20]

arrrghhh:

i like the network attached tuner idea.

[03:22:20]

phunyguy:

or will the disk write overhead be too much?

[03:22:30]

sphery:

do distros still compile for i586, even?

[03:22:37]

wagnerrp:

phunyguy: the most you will see is ~2MB/s

[03:22:38]

phunyguy:

plus my network is only 100mbit right now

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wagnerrp:

a K6/2 should be able to handle that just fine

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wagnerrp:

as will the network

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phunyguy:

well i am trying to decide the best mix to put in there

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sphery:

phunyguy: you will need to have UDMA/33 or better... Pretty sure a PIO disk would kill you.

[03:23:16]

phunyguy:

there will already be a PVR-150 and a DVB card then

[03:23:22]

phunyguy:

was thinking of adding another DVB and PVR.

[03:23:29]

phunyguy:

so 2 for dish network and 2 for OTA

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sphery:

phunyguy: note that the K6–2 will choke on commflagging (and, if you do it, transcoding)

[03:23:58]

iamlindoro:

You aren't using DVB cards

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phunyguy:

so lets say i got all 4 of those cards movin...

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iamlindoro:

DVB is *not* the same as ATSC

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phunyguy:

there will be none of that on that backend

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sphery:

to the point you probably shouldn't allow the K6 host to do commflagging

[03:24:15]

phunyguy:

meh

[03:24:18]

phunyguy:

well whatever it is

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iamlindoro:

and using the DVB API doesn't make them DVB cards

[03:24:21]

phunyguy:

dvico

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iamlindoro:

ATSC/QAM

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arrrghhh:

k6? like the ~300mhz amd k6?

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phunyguy:

thank you AGAIN for the correction.

[03:24:34]

phunyguy:

500

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phunyguy:

K6/2

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arrrghhh:

wow

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phunyguy:

speed demon

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arrrghhh:

i have a k6/2

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phunyguy:

yeah i revided it

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arrrghhh:

it's a 300mhz lol

[03:24:55]

phunyguy:

revived

[03:25:02]

phunyguy:

i have 2 more processors

[03:25:07]

phunyguy:

a 350 and another 500

[03:25:17]

arrrghhh:

my work was throwing away this p4 2.2ghz

[03:25:21]

arrrghhh:

1.5gb of ram

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arrrghhh:

pvr-150

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phunyguy:

so you think with all 4 cards recording, it shouldnt be a problem...?

[03:25:32]

arrrghhh:

lol 40gb hdd

[03:25:53]

phunyguy:

the network might at that point....

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sphery:

I had a K6–2/380MHz that was a great gateway/firewall, but lightning killed it (after lightning killed its Pentium 100 MMX predecessor).

[03:26:05]

phunyguy:

or it would come close to full load,.

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phunyguy:

hmm strangely enough i have a p3 1.0GHz as my router

[03:26:30]

phunyguy:

but its also a security appliance

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kyriptic:

last year was a bad year for lightning damage for me, i lost alot

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arrrghhh:

now that doesn't make sense

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phunyguy:

running http://www.endian.it

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phunyguy:

so it needs some juice

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wagnerrp:

phunyguy: my 500MHz geode is plenty sufficient for similar aplications

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phunyguy:

http / smtp / pop3 / ftp / etc

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Shovi:

hmm so mythtv isnt that good for winfast2000 XP ????

[03:27:19]

phunyguy:

well i was having some slowdowns

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Shovi:

cpu intensive?

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sphery:

phunyguy: I'd almost suggest that the K6–2 would be a better router/security appliance and the P3 1GHz would be a better myth backend

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phunyguy:

web browising mostly

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GreyFoxx:

Shovi: That card doesn't do hardware compression, so it has to be done in CPU

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phunyguy:

its the only PC i have with 5 PCI slots

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GreyFoxx:

so it's more cpu work than a card that has onboard compression

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Shovi:

is it any diff from windows, GreyFoxx

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phunyguy:

the 1.0GHz has 2 slots

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phunyguy:

with no onboard anything

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Shovi:

i use it in windows all the time, but would be interested using it in linux

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phunyguy:

so the 500 was it

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phunyguy:

besides

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phunyguy:

the 500 was giving me slowdowns as a router, like i said

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GreyFoxx:

Shovi: It would work fine depending on what cpu you are using (If you said that already I wasn't watching)

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phunyguy:

it does transparent web proxying

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Shovi:

well my question is would it work the same in windows as linux

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phunyguy:

processes traffic both directions

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Shovi:

and if so then great

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Shovi:

but i have 3.0 prescott

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Shovi:

intel

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GreyFoxx:

Shovi: Of course it would

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mzb_d800:

sphery: shepherd archive suggests that shepherd can't do multiple regions, but that it _is_ possible to run various instances as different users ... I'll look into it later. Thanks again.

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sphery:

mzb_d800: good luck

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mzb_d800:

yeah ... I'll need it by the looks of it

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phunyguy:

so the crappy 1.0GHz freebie is stuck as the router.

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phunyguy:

oh i also have a few VPN "clients"

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phunyguy:

i keep a few work PCs connected to home

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phunyguy:

have some folks that i help with their computers

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mzb_d800:

just watching ABC2 from WA now ... definitely two hours behind ... could solve a a lot of problems if I get it right

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phunyguy:

they stay connected to me

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phunyguy:

etc.

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phunyguy:

so the 1.0 has its work cut out

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GreyFoxx:

hahahah up until 2 years ago I was using a P90 and it was more than up to the tast of NAT/routing/dhcp/smtp/firewall

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GreyFoxx:

so 1Ghz is more than plenty :)

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sphery:

I agree.

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phunyguy:

hmm when you do the load averages (by typing uptime) what is considered "full" load?

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phunyguy:

its usually 0.mething

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sphery:

2 is "recommended"

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phunyguy:

something*

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sphery:

2 means you're fully utilitzing the processor, TTBOMK

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phunyguy:

GreyFoxx: you missed a lot of what i was sayiuung

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phunyguy:

saying

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phunyguy:

it proxies everything

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phunyguy:

and runs VPN

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phunyguy:

etc

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phunyguy:

that p90 would choke.

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phunyguy:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

No it wouyldn't

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GreyFoxx:

Cause I use to do all of that

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phunyguy:

so my load averages are: 0.38, 0.27, 0.20

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GreyFoxx:

it ran a squid webproxyand freeswan vpn

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phunyguy:

on the 1.0

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phunyguy:

what would the p90 do?

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phunyguy:

die.

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phunyguy:

so would the 500 if the 1.0 has that load.

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phunyguy:

imagine when i take my nets to 25mb/10mb

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phunyguy:

that is what the poweredge 1750 is for.

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GreyFoxx:

HAhaha

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phunyguy:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

A 1Ghz could easily do that

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phunyguy:

im done talking to you.

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GreyFoxx:

*Shakeshead*

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phunyguy:

lol @ "a squid web proxy and freeswan vpn"

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GreyFoxx:

kids today

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phunyguy:

dude.

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phunyguy:

look at what Endian does.

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phunyguy:

it actually protects you.

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phunyguy:

in and out.

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GreyFoxx:

Why? That's irrelevent to the point I was making :)

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phunyguy:

err well i guess both cases would be in

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phunyguy:

no it isnt

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phunyguy:

you said your p90 did "all that"

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phunyguy:

when i highly doubt it did.

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phunyguy:

all that meaning all what my box is doing

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GreyFoxx:

I was specifically referring to NAT, packetfilter, dhcp, smtp, dns, webproxy, and a vpn gateway

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phunyguy:

what was your internet speed?

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phunyguy:

oh its also running several virsuscan engines – etc

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GreyFoxx:

15mbit dwn, 1.5mbit up. Same as it is now

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phunyguy:

virus*

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phunyguy:

spam filtering

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phunyguy:

adware scanning

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phunyguy:

it gets some pretty good use.

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phunyguy:

dude i showed you the load averages.

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phunyguy:

the 500 gave it a valiant effort but it was obviously in pain.

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GreyFoxx:

0.38 is pain?!?!?!

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phunyguy:

the 500 didnt have .38

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phunyguy:

the 500 was always peaked

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** iamlindoro sighs **

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phunyguy:

the 1.0 is .38

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: It's so cute when they argue :)

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** phunyguy sighs **

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, this one makes excellent choices in whom to argue with

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GreyFoxx:

And to be honest I was not doing adware nor virii scans

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jams:

not this one

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phunyguy:

thank you for being honest.

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GreyFoxx:

But all the other stuff applied, on a P90

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phunyguy:

to be honest, the scanning is what eats the CPU

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phunyguy:

real time scanningh

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phunyguy:

-h

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GreyFoxx:

So your 500 should be more han capable. OTher wise it's way under ram ot the software is messed

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GreyFoxx:

that explains it then :)

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phunyguy:

512.

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phunyguy:

i explained that a while back

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phunyguy:

;)

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phunyguy:

when i posted the link to the site.,

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phunyguy:

and gave you the cpu load.

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GreyFoxx:

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phunyguy:

i don't doubt that.

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GreyFoxx:

It had a hard life

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phunyguy:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

10 years of 24/7 uses

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phunyguy:

and to be honest

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wagnerrp:

i think ive still got my P200 sitting in my closet

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phunyguy:

the poweredge 1750 will be the new security gateway due to lack of anything better to do with a 1U server.

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wagnerrp:

not 10 years, but i hammered that hard for a good 5, before another 3 years of firewall duty

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phunyguy:

has two onboard GigE

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phunyguy:

and a coupla 36 gig SCSI drives

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phunyguy:

3.0 Xeon and 3 gigs ram.

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phunyguy:

way overkill but like i said

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phunyguy:

nothing better to do with it

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wagnerrp:

my firewall is diskless

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phunyguy:

meh

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mag0o:

my disk is firewallless

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phunyguy:

ok bed time

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phunyguy:

was a pleasure arguing, as always.

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phunyguy:

and thank you for the sidechatter iamlindoro.

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phunyguy:

it was helpful.... as always ;)

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wagnerrp:

your mother smells of elderberries!

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phunyguy:

that was my mother>

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sphery:

well, the hardware requirements for endian software firewall say, "Intel x86 compatible (500MHz minimum, 1GHz recommended)", so it seems it's just poorly written code compares to some of the open-source equivalents. :)

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phunyguy:

?

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phunyguy:

all this time i thought it was me.

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phunyguy:

thank you sphery.

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phunyguy:

its the best for what it does IMO though

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phunyguy:

may be crappy code....

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phunyguy:

but i cant do a better job so i dont complain... not to mention the PC was free.

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phunyguy:

as was the poweredge.

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phunyguy:

:)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: id say its more likely the live virus scanning

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** GreyFoxx ponders getting a new reciever than handles hdmi **

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phunyguy:

yes wagner – i will agree.

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wagnerrp:

not sure what good virus scanning is on a tcp data stream though

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phunyguy:

it does transparent proxying

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iamlindoro:

Why is it the population of whackjobs is always increasing but the stable, centered contributing folk population remains constant?

[03:45:31]

iamlindoro:

I weep for our youth

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phunyguy:

again, more helpful chatter

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Captain_Murdoch:

phunyguy, PE1750 would make a better VMware server with the FW as a VM. that's what I do with my PE1850.

[03:46:10]

phunyguy:

it scans each page / item / etc as it comes through

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phunyguy:

Captain_Murdoch: had bad experiences virtualizing my router

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GreyFoxx:

HEy Captain_M LTNS

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phunyguy:

tried it on an Opteron 1216

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phunyguy:

or whatever that CPU is

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phunyguy:

the one in this PC

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phunyguy:

2.4 gig or 2.2 gig dual core, cant remember

[03:47:19]

phunyguy:

yeah 2.4

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phunyguy:

i have a 3mbit connection and only got 80KB

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phunyguy:

usually averages 350.

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Captain_Murdoch:

GreyFoxx, yeah, been commenting a little more lately. actually committed a few things in the past month.

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GreyFoxx:

yeah I saw that, good to see you back :)

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phunyguy:

so i decided to keep it hardware.

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phunyguy:

OK

[03:48:34]

phunyguy:

stop luring me into convos

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phunyguy:

going to bed now.

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phunyguy:

l8r

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Captain_Murdoch:

phunyguy, with my VM FW, I can max out my 10Mbit cablemodem connection downloading stuff over IPSec VPN easily without the CPU even flinching. l8r

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phunyguy:

STOP

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phunyguy:

:)

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** Captain_Murdoch has to go downstairs anyway. :) **

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: re [19695] (ignore DB Backups in BackendQueryDiskSpace())

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sphery:

if you're still here...

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah.

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: I'm adding new speciall groups (Channel Icons and Thumbnails), so should I add them with "AND groupname <> :CHANICONSGRP

[03:50:08]

Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, that would do it.

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sphery:

or should I generalize it with StorageGroup::kSpecialGroups

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, do you have email notifications setup on mdadm

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X, yeah

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Captain_Murdoch:

if the SG has dirs on a filesystem with other recording SG's then those filesystems will get included anyway so excluding them here shouldn't break things.

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Shadow__X:

could i bother you for some help :)

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X, I am in and out, but ask and I will help as I bounce in and out

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: and if the latter, should we also exclude LiveTV (to me it doesn't make a lot of sense to include LiveTV for BackendQueryDiskSpace())

[03:52:01]

sphery:

I guess maybe I should be asking GreyFoxx how long it will be before his MythVideo SG code (with SG types) goes in...

[03:52:10]

Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, i wanted to do something like this mdadm --monitor --scan --daemonise > /var/run/mdadm or atleast have the daemon start with the box and email me if anything becomes out of sync or it needs to rebuild

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GreyFoxx:

sphery: planning on doing it by the end of the weekend

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Shadow__X:

when i issue that command i get commented on how its a dir and when i access the .pid it gives me access denied even when i try sudo

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X, Mine is started by an init script, with the e-mail set up in the mdadm.conf

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: then nvm... I'll do a patch for excluding once GreyFoxx's changes are in. For now I'll just add the AND. Only question is whether it makes sense to include LiveTV SG dirs in BackendQueryDiskSpace()

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X, TBH I've not started it manually, I'm using my distro mdadm pacakge and included init script

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: oh, and thanks. That makes my job easier. :)

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X, Only thing I had to set up was the e-mail line in mdadm.conf

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, i have the email setup in the conf but how does it know what email server to use

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, ok. I'd keep LiveTV in since it's been in there since the beginning. backups was a semi-recent addition.

[03:54:03]

iamlindoro:

Shadow__X, It will use whatever your system is configured to use (sendmail/postfix/etc)

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Shadow__X:

ah alright

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Captain_Murdoch:

once we have types we can redo the status and webpage reporting

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X, Personally I have it set to go through my gmail account, there are a fair number of tutorials for setting that up online

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Shadow__X:

alright thanks iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

np, good luck

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** Captain_Murdoch has to run now, but will be back tomorrow night **

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Shadow__X:

thanks

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: thanks... That sounds good. (I don't have a LiveTV group, anyway, so it doesn't matter to me. :)

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sphery:

I'll do up the patch once we have the types, too.

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wagnerrp:

ugh... my clock was off by an hour yet again

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davez0r:

hey gents

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sphery:

wagnerrp: TZ issues?

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davez0r:

can any of you tell me what myth is doing here: write -> 21 45 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]SCHEDULE_CHANGE[]:[]empty

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wagnerrp:

no, my cmosclock is off by an hour

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wagnerrp:

and ntpd keeps breaking

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wagnerrp:

so when i boot, it never resyncs

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wagnerrp:

im considering just shoving ntpdate directly in the initrd

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, you should do an ntpdate -b before starting ntpd

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GreyFoxx:

wagnerrp: I do both

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sphery:

(I'd recommend doing it in the init script that starts ntpd)

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wagnerrp:

the init scripts should be set up to do an ntpdate on boot

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, I do just like sphery said

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wagnerrp:

and then start up ntp

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wagnerrp:

d

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wagnerrp:

but it appears to not be working

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sphery:

wagnerrp: make sure you include the -b so it doesn't slew

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sphery:

see man ntpdate

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wagnerrp:

-b is used

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sphery:

wagnerrp: oh, and you're not running some Ubuntu distro that has a broken networking implementation that relies on a GUI program to set up the network, are you?

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sphery:

(i.e. no net until after X starts0

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** iamlindoro kicks the Network Applet **

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wagnerrp:

im running diskless, so obviously not

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jams:

sphery- does it really do that??

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sphery:

jams: iamlindoro knows more than I

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wagnerrp:

jams: yep, all network connections are managed by NetworkManager now

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iamlindoro:

jams, yep, arghh

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sphery:

I think it may only be with wireless NIC's

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sphery:

so all, not just wireless?

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iamlindoro:

wired and wireless

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jams:

wow

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kormoc:

cause no-one would run a linux box without a gui!

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iamlindoro:

you can allegedly stop it working... but people have had mixed results

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sphery:

Ubuntu, it's Microsoft Windows for people who hate Microsoft :)

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kormoc:

who's ever heard of such a thing!

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wagnerrp:

sphery: not linux for people who like windows?

[04:03:06]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I guess it could be for them, too... :)

[04:03:08]

kormoc:

Ubuntu, Embrace and Extinguish

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clever:

i got gentoo network booting, but i shot myself in the foot when triming the kernel config

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sphery:

kormoc: I guess they were thinking, "Who would ever run Ubuntu on any kind of server?"

[04:03:43]

clever:

disabled ide support, so now i cant find swap

[04:03:50]

clever:

not enough ram to compile a new kernel

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iamlindoro:

jams, The solution is allegedly to use /etc/network/interfaces as always... except that's the first thing I tried and no go

[04:03:53]

kormoc:

sphery, kinda of funny given there's a server version of ubuntu

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wagnerrp:

clever: run swap over the network, not pretty but it works

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

clever: or just compile the kernel elsewhere

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clever:

wagnerrp: swap on nfs usualy leads to a hardlock

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clever:

sphery: thats what ive been doing, but i havent enabled the right one so far

[04:04:34]

sphery:

I'm guessing that it's just a normal arch

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wagnerrp:

clever: make a file, mount the file as a disk, use the disk as swap

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clever:

lspci says its piix something intel, but that driver doesnt show the hdd

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clever:

wagnerrp: ahh, losetup a file and use it as swap

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wagnerrp:

thats what i used to do on my diskless machines

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clever:

from what ive read, nbd(network block device) was made to do stuff like network swap, but you need to enable a special option on the client to let it use the /dev/nbd0 as swap

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wagnerrp:

swapon absolutely refused to activate a swapfile located on an nfs drive

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sphery:

clever: find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name 'Kconfig*' -print0 | xargs -0 cat > ~/Configure.help

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sphery:

then enjoy the reading

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wagnerrp:

but making a virtual disk out of it gets around that issue

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Reading is the OPPOSITE of what he enjoys-- he enjoys the PASTING

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iamlindoro:

It's like LOST

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clever:

wagnerrp: ive made swapon use a file on nfs before, but as soon as i began filling it the system froze up

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sphery:

(Of course, you'll have to learn to filter the stuff for other arch's in your brain, or your can just add it to the find)

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iamlindoro:

if he doesn't press Ctrl-V every 108 minutes, the world ends

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clever:

iamlindoro: ctrl+v doesnt work

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clever:

it just does that:P

[04:07:20]

clever:

which is invisible on irssi's font

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sphery:

I wondered where those Egyptian heiroglyphic looking symbols on my IRC client came from...

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sphery:

clever must have been slacking and was late one time

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clever:

that might be the ctrl+v's i just did:P

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wagnerrp:

clever: whatever version gentoo was using said something along the lines of 'dont use swap files on nfs you dumb bastard', and then exited

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mag0o:

i always thought he was pusing shift + insert

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clever:

wagnerrp: i had tested it with ubuntu a long time ago

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clever:

i allways use middle click for paste

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clever:

true linux way!

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sphery:

only good if the X copy pulls the data you want

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sphery:

(i.e. versus Paste without formatting)

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sphery:

or whatever

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shovi_:

when i try to open up myth

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shovi_:

it starts askin me about all this mysql info

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shovi_:

and then says cannot connect to db

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shovi_:

what do i do D:

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davez0r:

shovi:

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davez0r:

you must run mythbackend

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clever:

give it more info!

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wagnerrp:

shovi: you must tell myth where the database is, and you must tell the database that myth wants access with certain credentials

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wagnerrp:

its all in the documentation

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davez0r:

hey wagnerrp, is it normal to see this in my log:

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davez0r:

MythSocket(7f82a809bbf0:5): DownRef: 1

[04:12:45]

davez0r:

MythSocket(284d9a0:20): UpRef: 2

[04:12:45]

davez0r:

MythSocket(284d9a0:20): DownRef: 1

[04:12:45]

davez0r:

MythSocket(2725e60:21): UpRef: 2

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davez0r:

it repeats alot

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davez0r:

like multiple times per second

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shovi_:

whats the db for

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shovi_:

i just wanna watch tv

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shovi_:

lol :|

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sphery:

davez0r you're probably running with your -v options too high

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davez0r:

shovi, what linux distribution are you usintg?

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shovi_:

i just ran backend and still says cannot

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shovi_:

ubuntu 810

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sphery:

shovi_: if you just wanna watch TV, you don't want Myth

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shovi_:

how come

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shovi_:

what do i want

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sphery:

shovi_: you need to run mythtv-setup to set up Myth

[04:14:11]

sphery:

shovi_: probably something like tvtime

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sphery:

Myth is not designed for watching TV as it airs.

[04:14:40]

sphery:

It's designed to record TV so you can watch recordings.

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shovi_:

oh..

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davez0r:

shovi, you might try http://www.mythbuntu.org/

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shovi_:

can you point me into the right direction?

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sphery:

shovi_: what capture card?

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shovi_:

I just want to watch tv

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davez0r:

it takes care of much of the setup for you

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shovi_:

winfast 2000 xp wdm

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sphery:

shovi_: and, yeah, if using myth, use mythbuntu

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sphery:

shovi_: I'd suggest http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/

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shovi_:

ok thanks

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sphery:

and, if you decide that you don't want to waste your life watching TV on the network's schedule, then http://www.mythbuntu.org/

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sphery:

(as davez0r recommended)

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davez0r:

sphery: my -v was set to all for this log. i'm troubleshooting an issue where mythbackend spontaneously eats up all CPU cycles

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sphery:

davez0r: how are you starting your Myth program? Are you using -v all or soemthing

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sphery:

yeah, then you'd likely see that type of thing

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shovi_:

ok

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shovi_:

thanks sphery

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sphery:

shovi_: enjoy whichever you choose to use

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davez0r:

ok, so you're saying its normal to see those messages repeated multiple times per second?

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sphery:

davez0r: what were you doing when it started spontaneously eating up all the CPU

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shovi_:

tv time just opens and closes immediatly

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shovi_:

lol

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sphery:

shovi_: probably some setup required for it, too. :)

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sphery:

davez0r: it could happen multiple times per second... It will happen whenever something makes a connection to the backend.

[04:18:54]

sphery:

and myth clients don't often "Keep-Alive" connections :)

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sphery:

(don't even know if the backend supports long-lived, reused connections)

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davez0r:

sphery: it doesn't seem to matter what i'm doing. sometimes while watching a recording it starts up and my playback starts to skip. sometimes it will be fine for hours and then the next morning i'll notice mythbacked eating all cycles again

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davez0r:

write -> 21 45 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]SCHEDULE_CHANGE[]:[]empty also normal?

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davez0r:

a google search suggested I find_orphans

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davez0r:

so i tried that

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davez0r:

but it found none

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sphery:

hmmm... I don't know what would cause that (nor if the messages are anything to worry about).

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clever:

sphery: i thought everything kept atleast 1 'event' connection to the backend to listen for events, like the one davez0r just pasted

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sphery:

All I can say is that -v all dumps a ton of messages (multiple messages per second) on a properly functioning system

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shovi_:

guys I have a ntsc pci card, and i just got a atsc usb card(by accident)

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shovi_:

will atsc ever be used primarly?

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shovi_:

or not for years

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davez0r:

lol

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davez0r:

feb 21?

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sphery:

shovi_: I'm using ATSC

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sphery:

and yeah, everyone will be soon

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shovi_:

well my school has cable... like 100 channels

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shovi_:

and it dosnt work on my ATSC!

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shovi_:

i got it for my laptop so i could watch it as a tv

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sphery:

cable isn't ATSC

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iamlindoro:

That's because ATSC doesn't come over cable :)

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shovi_:

and the antenna only gets 2 channels

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sphery:

shovi_: guess you'll have to do something other than watch TV at school--might want to try studying. :)

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clever:

i can leave my card in a desktop and still watch tv from the laptops

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clever:

aslong as the wireless can handle the bitrate, it isnt much of a problem

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davez0r:

shovi_: http://www.dtv.gov/whatisdtv.html

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shovi_:

lol

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shovi_:

so what is this atsc card good for..

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shovi_:

anything?

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clever:

recording atsc broadcasts

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iamlindoro:

ATSC will be the only signal type for Over-the-air signals in a month

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iamlindoro:

many ATSC cards are also capable of QAM reception, which is digital cable

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shovi_:

but it cant capture ANY cable?

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davez0r:

whis shovi_

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iamlindoro:

Most old School/university cable networks are still analog-only

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iamlindoro:

for which a digital tuner is useless

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sphery:

davez0r: do you need an 'o'?

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davez0r:

ya, lol

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davez0r:

fortlewis.edu

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sphery:

and maybe a slash, too :)

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iamlindoro:

on a real grownup paid cable system, most people can tune a small number of decent channels with a QAM tuner

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shovi_:

so atsc can travel over a coaxale cable? if the signal is digital?

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

ATSC, once again, is OTA only

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sphery:

is your school actually giving cable or is it just a closed circuit network

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davez0r:

(OTA means Over-the-Air)

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iamlindoro:

QAM is digital television over cable in the US

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iamlindoro:

most school cable networks are still analog only

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shovi_:

they give everyone cable, 100 channels, over coaxle

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shovi_:

works with my ntsc tuner

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shovi_:

but its pci

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iamlindoro:

NTSC = analog

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sphery:

so it's plain analog

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shovi_:

ive been trying for HOURRRS to stream it to my laptop

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iamlindoro:

ATSC or QAM = digital

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shovi_:

could u guys help with that? lol

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sphery:

vlc

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shovi_:

vlc dosnt recognize my tuner in linux

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shovi_:

does in windows

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sphery:

your capture card is a plain old V4L capture card, right?

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sphery:

I'm guessing your answer is at: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=vlc+ . . . q=vlc+stream

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shovi_:

well

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shovi_:

idk

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shovi_:

ive tried so much

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shovi_:

tried orb

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shovi_:

windows media encoder

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sphery:

sweet... Google is keeping track of how much of the query I typed myself and how much of it they filled in for me: oq=vlc+stream is what I typed q=vlc+streaming is what they filled in

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iamlindoro:

http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=vlc+streaming

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iamlindoro:

is better :)

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sphery:

Talk about gathering /way/ too much info

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sphery:

iamlindoro: language :)

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shovi_:

theres a nicer one iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

en-us

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shovi_:

its letmegooglethatforyou

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sphery:

doesn't letme require javascript

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shovi_:

but thanks anyway

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iamlindoro:

Why in the world would a person who chooses the above site want to find the *nicer* one?

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iamlindoro:

Seriously, people

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clever:

i prefer letmegooglethatforyou

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shovi_:

can you guys tell me if this would work with coaxal cable?

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shovi_:

not even spelling it right but idk lol

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shovi_:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815260024

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iamlindoro:

shovi_, "coaxial cable" is not a television standard

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shovi_:

well median

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shovi_:

i mean

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shovi_:

thats what I have

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iamlindoro:

I can give you a linux compatible tuner card that will work with coaxial cable... in europe only

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sphery:

hmmm... I can't get jfgi to work. Maybe it needs some Flash or something

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shovi_:

any idea..?

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iamlindoro:

shovi_, go to www.linuxtv.org, and read the wiki there

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sphery:

shovi_: for "will it work", check out linuxtv.org and look for NTSC capture cards supported by V4L

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iamlindoro:

you will need to know the TV standard used by your cable network, which is likely NTSC

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iamlindoro:

oh dang it sphery

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shovi_:

yeah its ntsc

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shovi_:

what im wondering about is its connectors

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sphery:

In other words, no one here wants to tell you what to buy since we don't want you to hate us when it doesn't work. We'd much prefer you hate yourself when you make the wrong decision.

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shovi_:

is that a coaxial connector?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, you were half-faster than me, then I was half-faster than you

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iamlindoro:

shovi_, coaxial connector doesn't *mean* anything. *every* tuner card will have a coaxial connector

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shovi_:

im not asking you will it work

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shovi_:

im asking you if it will connect to a coaxial

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shovi_:

im not blaming you for anything, just trying to figure it out

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shovi_:

well if you look at that one

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iamlindoro:

a) no, that stick does not have a Coaxial connector, b) it's not a tuner

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shovi_:

it looks a little strange

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iamlindoro:

c) it's not linux compatible

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iamlindoro:

so please do what we suggested above

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sphery:

linuxtv.org

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shovi_:

ok

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shovi_:

it says USB Tuner Stick

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shovi_:

TV Tuner NTSC

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I pushed on much longer than I thought I could but finally found out that even the quick channel_icons.pl change is much more involved than I realized. Dinner time. I'll have to work on this more tomorrow. Besides, my 8hr Kerberos ticket just expired 4 mins ago, so I have to stop. :)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Heh

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iamlindoro:

well, eat then

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sphery:

Thanks... You may be a slave driver, but you're the best one I've ever had.

[04:38:42]

iamlindoro:

shovi_, That product information is wrong-- without a coaxial/entenna input, that card is not a tuner

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shovi_:

it looks like it has a screw on coaxial connector

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iamlindoro:

It will capture NTSC compatible input,, but that makes it a *capture* stick, not a *tuner* stick

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shovi_:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx? . . . II%20UB390-A

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iamlindoro:

shovi_, It's moot anyway, PLEASE go look up cards yourself at linuxtv.org

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iamlindoro:

this channel is NOT about discussing every $40 capture device you find at newegg

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shovi_:

haha

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davez0r:

amen

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shovi_:

your right, but im just pissed i didnt research atsc enough..

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shovi_:

wasted 25 bucks on it, and it captures 2 hd channels

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iamlindoro:

College ends eventually, and that tuner could be perfectly useful

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shovi_:

well yeah

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shovi_:

but i get 2 channels from antenna

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shovi_:

lol

[04:41:23]

shovi_:

maybe feb 21

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shovi_:

it will change?

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davez0r:

feb 17, i was wrong

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davez0r:

no

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mkrufky:

depends on where u live

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shovi_:

?

[04:41:43]

davez0r:

shovi...

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iamlindoro:

in your current physical position, you get two channels... it may change in a few months, you may move, the card may also support QAM, etc.

[04:42:08]

** iamlindoro sends mkrufky back to the island **

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mkrufky:

good — i have to go back

[04:42:24]

iamlindoro:

That's what I hear

[04:42:49]

mkrufky:

i dont think it will let me go unless i go also with you, Dagmar, wagnerrp, justinh, and the baby

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mkrufky:

(chosen at random)

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iamlindoro:

heh

[04:43:16]

iamlindoro:

you chose old standbys at least

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shovi_:

k brb

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iamlindoro:

besides, we have plenty of babies in here

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davez0r:

he left...

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davez0r:

whew

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mkrufky:

is there a command that will make MythLogBot tell em the link for the logbot page? i know he'll do it if i leave the room and come back, but a command would be nice

[04:43:51]

davez0r:

we need a mythtv-noobs channel

[04:44:07]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky, not that I am aware of

[04:44:21]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky, http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

[04:44:37]

mkrufky:

all i wanted to do was see if there is discussion going on,.... to determine whether or not i would disrupt anything by talking about......

[04:44:51]

mkrufky:

looks like all's clear

[04:44:55]

mkrufky:

so what did you think, iamlindoro?

[04:45:07]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky, there's always conversation, it's invariably of limited value

[04:45:24]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky, I am *just* finishing the second half on ABC.com right now, botched my record

[04:45:37]

iamlindoro:

thank god it's being replayed Saturday :)

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mkrufky:

yea, but i b*tch at people for going off-topic .... the least i could do is NOT go off-topic myself when there is ON-topic discussion ;-)

[04:45:57]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky, I'm psyched, this is gonna be a GOOD season

[04:45:58]

mkrufky:

oh, im sorry to hear that, iamlindoro

[04:46:05]

mkrufky:

ur watching while chatting?

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky, Pretty much done

[04:46:22]

mkrufky:

cool

[04:46:29]

iamlindoro:

TV on one screen, freenode on the other

[04:46:30]

mkrufky:

my theory was true

[04:46:33]

mkrufky:

i am disappointed

[04:46:34]

mkrufky:

...

[04:46:37]

mkrufky:

the show was great

[04:46:40]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky, which theory?

[04:46:43]

mkrufky:

i am only disappointed that i was able to predict it

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mkrufky:

dr chang, opening scene

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mkrufky:

except i thought it would have been widmore

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky, what was your theory about him?

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mkrufky:

my theory was:

[04:47:15]

mkrufky:

show would open up, we wont recognize *any* character

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shovi_:

wow this atsc looks like it is 1080p.... super nice

[04:47:22]

mkrufky:

a few minutes would go by

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mkrufky:

we'd realize WHERE we are, but not WHEN...

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iamlindoro:

heh, there's not 1080p on ATSC

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shovi_:

it must be

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iamlindoro:

no

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mkrufky:

and then it would all lead up to charles widmore, and we all go OH!

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shovi_:

it supports 1080p, the card

[04:47:47]

mkrufky:

LOST.

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iamlindoro:

shovi_, no, it doesn't

[04:47:57]

shovi_:

yes it does

[04:48:00]

iamlindoro:

no.

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mkrufky:

so, i was slightly off.... we went OH when we say faraday

[04:48:08]

mkrufky:

saw

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky, I loved that part

[04:48:16]

** mkrufky did too **

[04:48:22]

mkrufky:

what card does shovi_ have?

[04:48:24]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky, I'm finding myself liking him

[04:48:30]

mkrufky:

dr chang?

[04:48:35]

iamlindoro:

faraday

[04:48:38]

mkrufky:

i love him

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shovi_:

o nm, i lie

[04:48:47]

shovi_:

Supports up to 1920 x 1080i (HDTV Video Output)

[04:48:50]

mkrufky:

ever since "three cards, charlotte — is that progress?"

[04:49:11]

shovi_:

still its on a 15 inch laptop

[04:49:11]

mkrufky:

...and i get that ^^ now too

[04:49:14]

shovi_:

i cant tell the diff

[04:49:23]

shovi_:

heres the card tho

[04:49:23]

shovi_:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . nt-_-text-_-

[04:49:28]

shovi_:

cheap but works great

[04:49:36]

mkrufky:

whoah

[04:49:40]

mkrufky:

thats not supported in linux

[04:49:42]

mkrufky:

i have one

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iamlindoro:

Don't think he's running linux

[04:49:59]

mkrufky:

oh, my bad... we just merged something for it

[04:50:06]

mkrufky:

isnt that a 340U ?

[04:50:12]

shovi_:

i run both, but i usually give up on linux at some point in the day

[04:50:25]

mkrufky:

i give up on windows multiple points of the day

[04:50:41]

shovi_:

lol

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky, I live a windows free existence, it's awesome

[04:50:47]

mkrufky:

i have that at home

[04:50:48]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky, You guys have anything fun coming up?

[04:50:51]

shovi_:

ya but I play dota,(wc3)

[04:50:53]

mkrufky:

yes :-D

[04:50:58]

iamlindoro:

neat!

[04:51:02]

shovi_:

when i dota in linux i get random lags

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shovi_:

brb

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky, any announcements forthcoming? Was looking for CES news but saw none

[04:51:55]

mkrufky:

hmm....

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mkrufky:

if they didnt say anything at ces, maybe they're playing it safe

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mkrufky:

IMHO, last years CES announcement should have been made THIS year :-P

[04:52:37]

iamlindoro:

Last press stuff on the site is from October

[04:52:44]

mkrufky:

yeah that all finally went thru

[04:52:47]

mkrufky:

we own them now

[04:52:49]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky, Wasn't last year's the HD-PRV?

[04:52:52]

mkrufky:

yup

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iamlindoro:

PVR

[04:52:59]

mkrufky:

notice that THIS year its available ;-)

[04:53:03]

iamlindoro:

why would you want that to go through this year?

[04:53:12]

iamlindoro:

Heh, I'v had mine since last summer :)

[04:53:25]

mkrufky:

:-D

[04:53:40]

mkrufky:

i meant the october thing

[04:53:54]

iamlindoro:

ah

[04:54:02]

mkrufky:

umm... yeah....

[04:54:13]

mkrufky:

all the PCTV sticks are supported in linux now

[04:54:16]

mkrufky:

except for the ultimate

[04:54:20]

mkrufky:

.... somebody's working on that

[04:54:33]

mkrufky:

i cant take any credit for that tho

[04:54:40]

mkrufky:

devinheitmueller did all the work

[04:54:43]

iamlindoro:

Cool

[04:54:58]

mkrufky:

oh, and the mini

[04:55:04]

mkrufky:

yeah, lost is more fun

[04:55:07]

iamlindoro:

I'm not even in the market for new products, but new stuff is always neat

[04:55:10]

mkrufky:

any speculation?

[04:55:39]

iamlindoro:

Not really... not yet anyway

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iamlindoro:

nothing that I hadn't said before

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mkrufky:

ok, well let me ask u one thing..... cuz my memory is fuzzy

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mkrufky:

somebody told kate, "if he wanted to expose it, he would just do it" ..... who was that?

[04:56:57]

mkrufky:

i think its from the 1st hour

[04:57:08]

iamlindoro:

Jin, no?

[04:57:10]

iamlindoro:

sun

[04:57:12]

iamlindoro:

Sun

[04:57:16]

iamlindoro:

stupid fingers

[04:57:22]

mkrufky:

yeah... i think thats right

[04:57:30]

mkrufky:

i think she's going to be a problem

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iamlindoro:

I am still PO'd about the Jin thing

[04:57:45]

iamlindoro:

I don't

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HRearden:

quick question about VDPAU. Got it all running on latest SVN as of last night. Running on a via EX10000EG, so its a slow CPU, but it's still decoding HDTV fine. Only issue at all is the OSD, which causes stuttering and prebuffering pauses. Any ideas on things to change in settings to optimize this or xorg.conf changes?

[04:57:50]

mkrufky:

im PO'd about what lindeloff said in episode 0

[04:57:55]

iamlindoro:

I think she's after vengeance on Widmore

[04:58:02]

mkrufky:

ooooooooooooooooooooooh

[04:58:05]

mkrufky:

im stupid

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mkrufky:

ur right

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HRearden:

Or is this just in future code changes yet to be done?

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mkrufky:

im sure i would have realized that on 2nd viewing ;-)

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky, he's the one who sent the boat, it's his fault

[04:59:11]

iamlindoro:

She made it clear she didn't blame Kate et al

[04:59:25]

mkrufky:

yeah, so she blames daddy and widmore

[04:59:45]

mkrufky:

(s04 finale)

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

she's gonna get in good with Widmore and mess him up good

[05:00:11]

mkrufky:

also, i think jack is to locke as ben is to charles

[05:00:20]

mkrufky:

but im not sure

[05:00:57]

iamlindoro:

Assume the lady at the end is faraday Sr.

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iamlindoro:

Also think that Desmond has to go back too

[05:01:22]

iamlindoro:

And possibly even the pilot

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mkrufky:

she's the one that (didnt) sell the engagement to desmond

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mkrufky:

ring

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iamlindoro:

right, but I still think she's Faraday's mom :)

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mkrufky:

we're supposed to think that

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davez0r:

what soap opera is this?

[05:01:53]

mkrufky:

i think she is

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mkrufky:

LOST

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davez0r:

oh, yeah

[05:02:00]

iamlindoro:

As the Island Turns

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davez0r:

lol

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mkrufky:

lol

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iamlindoro:

Lupitas

[05:02:48]

mkrufky:

Lapidus clearly was meant to be on the island

[05:02:49]

iamlindoro:

that's his name

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mkrufky:

fate corrected itself after seth norris got into that plane

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mkrufky:

i want to know if this Kworld UB435-Q is the same as KWorld 340U

[05:04:53]

mkrufky:

do we know what components are in it?

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky, IIRC the wiki indicates it is

[05:05:04]

mkrufky:

ah

[05:05:16]

mkrufky:

ever since reorganization of the wiki, i dont know where anything is

[05:05:38]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky, "KWorld UB435-Q USB ATSC TV Stick ... (looks identical to the ATSC 340U) "

[05:05:57]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky, PCB says it's a 340U

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mkrufky:

yeah, to me it looks identical, too .... i want to know if its the

[05:06:00]

mkrufky:

ah

[05:06:02]

mkrufky:

ok then

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iamlindoro:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/KWorld_ . . . TSC_TV_Stick

[05:06:47]

mkrufky:

em2883+tda18271+lgdt3304

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mkrufky:

ok then... identical

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davez0r:

do you guys know any post-migration tricks? ever since I rebuilt my mythbox and imported my old recordings mythbackend will occasionally eat up all CPU. a restart fixes it... but i'd like to fix the problem

[05:12:45]

mkrufky:

does the log indicate what its doing at the time, davez0r ?

[05:12:58]

davez0r:

well that's what i'm not sure about

[05:13:08]

davez0r:

at the default -v

[05:13:13]

davez0r:

it doesn't say much

[05:13:17]

davez0r:

i set -v to all

[05:13:21]

davez0r:

and i see lots of this:

[05:13:49]

davez0r:

2009-01–17 07:04:38.450 MythSocket(7f82a809bbf0:5): DownRef: 1

[05:13:49]

davez0r:

2009-01–17 07:04:38.458 MythSocket(284d9a0:20): UpRef: 2

[05:13:49]

davez0r:

2009-01–17 07:04:38.468 MythSocket(284d9a0:20): DownRef: 1

[05:13:49]

davez0r:

2009-01–17 07:04:38.474 MythSocket(2725e60:21): UpRef: 2

[05:13:49]

davez0r:

2009-01–17 07:04:38.482 write -> 21 45 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]SCHEDULE_CHANGE[]:[]empty

[05:13:50]

davez0r:

2009-01–17 07:04:38.490 MythSocket(2725e60:21): DownRef: 1

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davez0r:

2009-01–17 07:04:38.498 MythSocket(7f82a8031110:12): UpRef: 2

[05:13:54]

davez0r:

2009-01–17 07:04:38.506 MythSocket(7f82a8031110:12): DownRef: 1

[05:13:56]

davez0r:

2009-01–17 07:04:38.514 MythSocket(7f82a809bbf0:5): UpRef: 2

[05:13:58]

davez0r:

2009-01–17 07:04:38.522 write -> 5 45 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]SCHEDULE_CHANGE[]:[]empty

[05:14:09]

davez0r:

is that normal?

[05:14:18]

iamlindoro:

normally someone would pastebin that ;)

[05:14:30]

davez0r:

my bad sorry

[05:14:31]

mkrufky:

yeah, please for the future

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mkrufky:

i dont know what those messages mean, so i'll be quiet on this one ;-)

[05:14:52]

davez0r:

i was actually concerned i'd get kicked

[05:15:05]

davez0r:

by the bot as i ctrl-v'd

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mkrufky:

oh, wow ... thats a LOT of activity tho — look at those timestamps

[05:15:31]

davez0r:

right!

[05:15:34]

davez0r:

that's what i though

[05:15:34]

davez0r:

t

[05:15:43]

davez0r:

multiple times a second its doing that

[05:17:44]

mkrufky:

well, its updating a reference count on a socket ... thats all i can tell from that... if you grep the sources for that message, you might get a better idea of what it means

[05:17:45]

davez0r:

i googled around and found a suggestion to clean up orphans. it found 1 orphaned recording so i removed it, but the problem persists

[05:18:18]

Anduin:

it shouldn't be related to orphans, a single backend involved?

[05:18:30]

davez0r:

yup, combined fe/be

[05:18:58]

mkrufky:

i havent looked through the sources much at all, but i have noticed that it likes to retry things after failures without waiting at all in between attempts ... for instance, if you start mythbackend without mysql running, the log fills up VERY quickly with all the failures until mysql starts

[05:19:44]

mkrufky:

the timestamps in your paste above made me think of that --- so its probably just retrying whatever its doing over and over again without any delay btwn attempts

[05:20:12]

Anduin:

BACKEND_MESSAGE is sent to all listening event channels, if there is ever a loop you see stuff like that

[05:20:26]

clever:

mkrufky: if you look closely, it appears to be writing out socket 21 and 5

[05:20:28]

clever:

2 seperate sockets

[05:20:36]

mkrufky:

ah

[05:20:59]

clever:

which looks totaly normal, for example, i see it sending that out 5 sockets at once alot

[05:20:59]

clever:

it sends one copy out to every frontend and every slave backend

[05:21:02]

clever:

and every mythwelcome thats running

[05:21:07]

mkrufky:

ok

[05:21:25]

clever:

i have 4 systems up atm, so that could easily be 12 messages going out

[05:22:08]

clever:

its only a problem if its happening non stop for more then 20 seconds

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davez0r:

and it is in my case...

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, there might be hope for Heroes with Bryan Fuller writing the back half of the season

[05:31:30]

mkrufky:

hmm, what else did he write for?

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iamlindoro:

Pushing Daisies, Dead Like Me, Wonderfalls

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Shadow__X:

hey mkrufky

[05:32:27]

sphery:

iamlindoro: maybe there will be a new hero that hears figurines talking to her

[05:32:43]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Hehe... Apparently He's written a part for Swoozie Kurtz

[05:33:05]

mkrufky:

ah, ok

[05:33:09]

mkrufky:

hi Shadow__X

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sphery:

is she the DLM girl?

[05:33:26]

iamlindoro:

sphery, One of the aunts

[05:33:33]

mkrufky:

ando should be tons of fun when that starts up again

[05:33:36]

sphery:

oh, in Daisies.

[05:33:39]

iamlindoro:

The one who's not ellen Greene

[05:33:51]

sphery:

cool

[05:34:00]

sphery:

I just hope she's not a mermaid in Heroes

[05:34:12]

iamlindoro:

HEh

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perilousapricot:

hey all, is it normal for myth to autoexpire a recording that's currently being watched?

[05:34:50]

iamlindoro:

Blah, I'm going to have to convert *all* these TV screenshots into from the coverfile field to the screenshot field

[05:35:43]

davez0r:

perilousapricot: was the priority lower than others?

[05:36:33]

perilousapricot:

davez0r, I didn't set the priority explicitly, but it might be a good idea that if a recording is currently being watched to remporarily disable auto-expire

[05:37:03]

perilousapricot:

davez0r, i havn't set the priority explicitly

[05:37:47]

davez0r:

you haven't set priority on any recordings, so they are all 0 ?

[05:37:50]

sphery:

iamlindoro: Chuck in 3D Feb 2

[05:37:51]

davez0r:

yeah, i agree

[05:37:59]

iamlindoro:

sphery, So I saw :) Fun at 106"

[05:38:06]

sphery:

red/blue glasses

[05:38:07]

davez0r:

i'm not sure that it checks

[05:38:13]

iamlindoro:

sphery, yeah :(

[05:38:20]

perilousapricot:

davez0r, yeah

[05:38:37]

sphery:

gotta get some somewhere

[05:38:38]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Just realized my old thumbnail generator needs a two word change to generate all my screenshots :)

[05:38:48]

sphery:

cool

[05:39:31]

iamlindoro:

once gbee finishes his previewgenerator stuff it'll all get built on the fly but no reason I can't enjoy it now :)

[05:40:14]

wagnerrp:

thats going to be painful...

[05:40:29]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, what now?

[05:40:34]

iamlindoro:

rather, what will be?

[05:40:41]

wagnerrp:

red/green broadcasts

[05:40:46]

iamlindoro:

Heh, yeah

[05:40:53]

iamlindoro:

Hope they re-air in normalvision

[05:42:03]

davez0r:

for real

[05:42:15]

davez0r:

all us people with one good-eye

[05:42:22]

iamlindoro:

back to back would be best (what percentage will have 3D glasses?)

[05:42:26]

davez0r:

they are discriminating

[05:43:14]

sphery:

they did a Medium episode that way and it wasn't too bad without glasses

[05:43:36]

davez0r:

did u guys pay to see that superman movie on the IMAX 3D?

[05:43:38]

wagnerrp:

if its not bad, then theres only marginal 3D

[05:43:42]

davez0r:

i did. what a waste

[05:44:26]

iamlindoro:

sphery, http://www.fecitfacta.com/MV_screenshots.png

[05:44:30]

sphery:

the preview looked awful

[05:44:36]

sphery:

so this may be more 3d

[05:45:21]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Now I just need some SGs for these, hmmmm :)

[05:46:27]

Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, keep up the good work

[05:47:23]

iamlindoro:

Shadow__X, Thanks! That screenshot shows a new feature I was working on today (Screenshots in addition to cover files)

[05:47:51]

Shadow__X:

yeah i cant wait for that

[05:47:57]

Shadow__X:

lol strike down all the nay sayers

[05:48:49]

sphery:

wagnerrp: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/Chuck-3D-2.png and http://misc.thirdcontact.com/Chuck-3D.png

[05:48:57]

iamlindoro:

For My theme I will likely set it up to play the trailer in that spot w/ the video widget, or if no trailer exists, display the screenshot

[05:49:19]

iamlindoro:

That's another feature of .22, trailers associated with movies (and x random trailers before a movie if the user wishes)

[05:49:27]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I love that... With poster + screenie

[05:49:31]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Holy ouch

[05:49:54]

wagnerrp:

yep, thats about what i expected

[05:50:11]

sphery:

I can't tell if that was a "to make you think it's really really 3D" or if it will really be that 3D

[05:50:14]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Yeah, it'll be cool/fun... more metadata is always better

[05:50:16]

wagnerrp:

of course thats some fugly blocking

[05:50:30]

sphery:

Yeah, it was under-bitrated

[05:50:41]

sphery:

so don't blame me, talk to NBC

[05:51:06]

sphery:

it was a very quick preview

[05:51:13]

sphery:

lots of scene changes

[05:51:36]

sphery:

plus, I'll bet MPEG-2 doesn't like red/blue separation

[05:51:38]

wagnerrp:

it is 3D, look at the difference in separation between foreground and background

[05:51:55]

sphery:

anyone got glasses to try on those images?

[05:52:11]

iamlindoro:

Going to have to hit the grocery store and find a Sobe display

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sphery:

yeah

[05:52:31]

wagnerrp:

just load it up in a picture editor and add some color filters

[05:52:32]

sphery:

iamlindoro: so answer this... is http://misc.thirdcontact.com/Chuck-3D.png a Stargate?

[05:52:52]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Heh, it does kinda look like one

[05:53:03]

sphery:

even has the water effect

[05:53:11]

sphery:

wagnerrp: color filters?

[05:53:13]

iamlindoro:

sphery, They are major geeks, bet it will play into it somehow

[05:53:21]

sphery:

to un-3d it?

[05:53:35]

wagnerrp:

yeah, do it twice, one for each color

[05:53:42]

wagnerrp:

put them side-by-side

[05:53:42]

sphery:

nice... What better than Chuck + Stargate

[05:53:45]

wagnerrp:

go crosseyed

[05:53:52]

iamlindoro:

Heh, "Chuck: Chuck Versus the Third Dimension"

[05:53:58]

sphery:

wagnerrp: oh, cool

[05:54:26]

sphery:

nice

[05:55:06]

iamlindoro:

Holy cow... Now that I have screenshots for all items, I'm sold

[05:55:10]

iamlindoro:

gbee was right

[05:55:17]

iamlindoro:

They definitely need to be seperate items

[05:57:00]

wagnerrp:

sphery: well now i have to install gimp so i can actually try that... :P

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I hope you post the results... :)

[06:06:12]

perilousapricot:

are the themes currently broken under the trunk?

[06:07:46]

wagnerrp:

anything not in the main themes folder, yes

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iamlindoro:

and not on the respective themers hard drives :)

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mkrufky:

goodnight

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wagnerrp:

seems theres a lot of dependencies to installing gimp

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iamlindoro:

Heh, http://www.fecitfacta.com/mv_fanart_screenshots.png

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iamlindoro:

Once the context sensitive fanart is in that will all be automatic

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wagnerrp:

the editing software that came with my scanner seems absolutely worthless for any sort of manual editing

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I have GIMP installed, but lack the requisite knowledge of what to do with it on those images...

[06:21:39]

** wagnerrp has absolutely no knowledge of GIMP **

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sphery:

I know GIMP, but I don't know artistic things

[06:22:31]

wagnerrp:

well my apparently lack of any other image editing software should show im in the same boat

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sphery:

OK, so I brought it in... When I turn off the cyan channel (green and blue), it looks like a 2-D image. When I turn off the red channel (inverse of cyan), I still see separation.

[06:31:47]

sphery:

I don't think they're doing red/cyan.

[06:32:23]

sphery:

maybe a 50% alpha red layer on top...

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sphery:

hmmm... looking at it through a 50% cyan mask almost makes it look 3d

[06:39:26]

sphery:

very blue, but 3d

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wagnerrp:

still compiling over here... :)

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sphery:

yeah, I found some howto's on creating red/cyan 3d anaglyphs, but none on undoing it

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sphery:

guess I'll have to leave artistry to the artists

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wagnerrp:

red/cyan anaglyphs arent artistry

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wagnerrp:

theyre a mockery to any worthwhile form of stereovision

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sphery:

isn't that what Chuck is using?

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wagnerrp:

well colored glasses in general, regardless of whatever mask they happen to be using

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davez0r:

hey sphery, i think i figured out my mythbackend CPU eating problem

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sphery:

cool. what was it

[06:49:19]

davez0r:

scheduler.cpp is what prints this message

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davez0r:

BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]SCHEDULE_CHANGE[]:[]empty

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davez0r:

so i removed all my schedules

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wagnerrp:

scheduler get confused, and caught in a loop?

[06:50:06]

davez0r:

yup

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davez0r:

i manually re-added my schedules

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wagnerrp:

id say thats ticket worthy

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sphery:

can happen with corrupt rules

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davez0r:

the ones i have were ported from a .20 install

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wagnerrp:

not updated properly with a schema upgrade?

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sphery:

It's bad data, though, probably

[06:50:59]

wagnerrp:

possibly bad characters?

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davez0r:

dunno about characters

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sphery:

davez0r: US?

[06:51:12]

davez0r:

yeah

[06:51:19]

davez0r:

US

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davez0r:

ATSC

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sphery:

-fixes?

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davez0r:

i also switched tuners

[06:51:35]

davez0r:

0.21-fixes

[06:52:31]

davez0r:

anyway, i cleaned out my schedule, so i'll just have to see if the issue resurfaces in the next few days

[06:52:37]

wagnerrp:

i had a couple character issues with the people table

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davez0r:

oh really?

[06:53:02]

wagnerrp:

but that showed up during the schema upgrade

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sphery:

davez0r: probably came down to broken input connections... Might want to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 just to be on the safe side, but deleting/recreating rules may be enough to fix it

[06:53:19]

wagnerrp:

one of the sql commands failed, preventing the update altogether

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sphery:

wagnerrp: gentoo?

[06:53:34]

wagnerrp:

nope, freebsd

[06:53:56]

wagnerrp:

it was 1216 to 1217 i believe

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sphery:

I'd still bet your DB was misconfigured for 0.21-fixes (and below): http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Database_Encoding

[06:54:13]

sphery:

Most every gentoo user's is...

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davez0r:

oh interesting

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wagnerrp:

only if their database is run on a gentoo mysql server

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sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5070 has a patch that fixes the schema upgrade to stop before failing for broken DB's

[06:55:14]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, but anyone (even non-gentoo users) could misconfigure their db's

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats the one

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sphery:

yeah, jan neg is going to eventually get around to applying that patch... Until then, gentoo users (with DB on gentoo) who upgrade to trunk are breaking their data

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wagnerrp:

well lets see what freebsd's config options are then...

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Dat . . . isconfigured shows good/bad

[06:57:37]

sphery:

but the only way to get the failure you got is if your DB contained latin1 characters rather than utf8

[06:58:01]

sphery:

(and, confusingly enough, if your DB was set up to use utf8, you got latin1 and if it was set up to use latin1, you got utf8)

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wagnerrp:

im actually the exact opposite of the 'misconfigured server'

[06:58:40]

wagnerrp:

database characterset is the only one utf8

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sphery:

when running trunk, DB charset will be utf8

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sphery:

Note that once upgraded to post-r16789 SVN trunk (or 0.22 or above), the output of the status command will differ--namely, the Db characterset will be utf8 in a properly-configured system. The value of the others is not important on post-r16789 SVN trunk/0.22+ versions of MythTV.

[07:00:20]

wagnerrp:

ah, very well then

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sphery:

but, it's possible you may have had corrupt data from some previous system config (carry over backups from other distros or anything) or from doing something like: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7 (which is broken-- http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6013 )

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wagnerrp:

database has always been on freebsd, never had to do anything such as 23.7

[07:04:54]

sphery:

well, if your data was valid utf8, it couldn't have failed, so something corrupted your data

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wagnerrp:

sphery: back to 3d... it all comes down to the fact that anaglyphs really dont work well with color imagery

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wagnerrp:

and the bleed through on the cyan channel like you mentioned

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Dibblah:

Oh well. gmail is giving a 404. Was nice while it lasted.

[07:37:37]

Dibblah:

Odd temporary faults happening a lot these days...

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wagnerrp:

who cares about downtime when you have 7287.379081 megabytes of storage

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wagnerrp:

.379125

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wagnerrp:

.379142

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wagnerrp:

!

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laga:

wagnerrp: heh

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strex-work:

sup guys (waiting for mythdora to install).

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laga:

breakfast.

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strex-work:

laga: what time is it there?

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laga:

9:24 in germany

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laga:

am, that is :)

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strex-work:

it's 1:25 am here.

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justinh:

iamlindoro: remind me again why I'm bothering to make a theme. I'm disillusioned again

[10:29:48]

justinh:

there was a time when I did it because every theme just didn't cut it for me. now, that case is vanishing

[10:30:34]

justinh:

hell, might as well plough on, even if we just end up with better icons

[10:30:54]

jduggan:

:o

[10:32:07]

justinh:

jduggan: well, if there are nice looking, perfectly servicable themes that I _like_ around why do my own?

[10:32:37]

justinh:

for the good of my health? :P

[10:36:47]

pat_:

I agree, you do it to scratch an itch. If you don't have any itch any more why are you doing it?

[10:37:00]

pat_:

(does that help?)

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mikeoscar:

what theme do you use aside from your own?

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justinh:

I don't

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jduggan:

justinh: for a feeling of self worth

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jduggan:

justinh: otherwise, what else will you waste your time doing? :)

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justinh:

there are plenty of other things to do

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justinh:

mythsudoku, autoexpiry list, menu button spacing/centring, a calendar widget, jump to date in the EPG, fancy smart search for videos/programmes....

[11:00:42]

justinh:

a reminder plugin..

[11:00:56]

justinh:

some way to plug in flickr to mythgallery

[11:01:06]

justinh:

lots!

[11:02:38]

justinh:

lest I forget audio feedback. there's so much more to do than mere scribbles

[11:05:55]

justinh:

lol @ the forum posting entitled "where can I download mythfrontend.exe for windows"

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jduggan:

lol

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justinh:

apparently the wiki says it's usable & everything!

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PelleTut:

I'm trying to setup mythtv, but in the mythtv-setup screen I can't seem to hit all the buttons! When navigating with keyboard arrows it skips some of the buttons I need to hit, and I can't use the mouse in the menu... What do I do?

[11:22:06]

justinh:

I ran into that recently. what a pain. the keyboard navigation bit.. meant to report it

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justinh:

PelleTut: is this with trunk by any chance?

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PelleTut:

justinh: what is trunk?

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justinh:

if you don't know, then you're probably not running the development version of mythtv

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PelleTut:

ahh, no

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PelleTut:

mythtv 0.21–1

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justinh:

but anyway FYI mythtv 0.21 won't really work with a mouse unless you enable showing the mouse pointer – which isn't enabled by default

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Dibblah:

Even then, there are some unnavigable widgets.

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justinh:

and you can't enable that until you run mythfrontend.. which you shouldn't do til you've run mythtv-setup

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justinh:

so, since you're running 0.21 it would seem to me that you need more practise using the arrow keys

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Dibblah:

Doesn't mythtv-setup support overrides?

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justinh:

might do

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Dibblah:

It does, at least in trunk...

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PelleTut:

justinh: there are only 4 arrow keys, I can't imagine I'm using them that wrong

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justinh:

mythtv-setup -O HideMouseCursor=0

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justinh:

try that ^^^

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Dibblah:

PelleTut: There are some tab ordering issues. Keep going and they should be there.

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Dibblah:

ie keep cycling round past where you think the widget should be.

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justinh:

tab? since when was tab ever involved?

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Dibblah:

Urk. You know what I mean :)

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Dibblah:

The layout of the widgets doesn't match the selection order.

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PelleTut:

justinh: ok, so now I got the mouse. Unfortunately it only works with some buttons and drop down lists, it does nothing with the buttons I'm trying to hit

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justinh:

I'd love to give the setup screens some attention too, but they scare the hell out of me

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PelleTut:

doh, I see now that the buttons I was trying to hit were grayed out

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PelleTut:

But when I try to run mythfilldatabase I get this message: "There are no channel sources defined, did you run the setup program?". I'm trying to configure mythtv to be used with an analog tv tuner. Anything special I need to do then?

[11:44:38]

Dibblah:

PelleTut: Follow a tutorial.

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Dibblah:

Seriously – It's a lot less time consuming than asking here :)

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Dibblah:

However, to answer the specific question, Myth is really a PVR. If you don't have listings, it's a little bit overkill. You'd be better off with a TV program.

[11:46:02]

Dibblah:

tvtime, etc.

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PelleTut:

Dibblah: I was looking for something similar to windows media center. I've got it working in tvtime, but it's missing program guide and recording options

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Dibblah:

The guide is supplied by whatever you configure :)

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justinh:

if you just want to watch tv, use something else. seriously

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justinh:

mmm chilli :)

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directhex:

bleh!

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** directhex is too old for overly spicy food **

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** jduggan is waiting on burger and chips to be delivered direct to his desk **

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jduggan:

:P

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jduggan:

thats actually, a 1/2pound cheese burger

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jduggan:

mmMM

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directhex:

i could bin this pack of super noodles & go buy a burger...

[12:14:58]

jduggan:

lol

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directhex:

but they're bacon flavour, and that would be a crime against bacon

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justinh:

bin em!

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jduggan:

hehe

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justinh:

bacon flavour anything is just wrong

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justinh:

only BACON tastes like bacon

[12:16:24]

justinh:

still though – least you get your money's worth with 'bacon flavour' stuff. :P

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directhex:

yay, flogged my megaraid card for £110

[12:16:48]

directhex:

and my old ecc-enabled mobo for £50

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justinh:

to the pub! drinks are on you!

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directhex:

nein, it's all for my new pc

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directhex:

and new backend too, really

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justinh:

mythtv >> beer ? oof

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directhex:

i already have six giggles of RAM lying around, but the mobo to put it into was DOA

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justinh:

haha I just had an idea for GANT

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justinh:

make it wobbly with animation like in Dr Katz

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directhex:

yay! i did that in 3d once

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justinh:

mepo-wide shall be getting a rejig for 0.22 eh

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justinh:

reason enough for me to continue my work :)

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Dibblah:

Let Battle Commence?

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aBs0lut30:

hey guys, got a question, are there any issues running in a 64bit setup? i am going to be using svn so Ihave support for the hd-pvr and vdpau, so are there any issues I should be aware of or would I be better off running a 32bit copy?

[14:14:46]

shadash:

aBs0lut30: some people claim 64bit myth is stable. It should work if you're willing to accept the random 64bit issues that pop up every now and then.

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aBs0lut30:

shadash: well, how random are we talking?

[14:15:38]

shadash:

one of the devs claims it's stable

[14:16:04]

shadash:

again there's lots of moving parts

[14:16:15]

shadash:

but it should work

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aBs0lut30:

humm, cool, guess I will give it a try then... hopefully I will get to start setting things up tonight :D

[14:16:49]

shadash:

personally I use 32bit just to avoid all the little issues

[14:17:10]

shadash:

but 64bit binaries just feel smoother when you run them

[14:17:54]

aBs0lut30:

well, I just dont want to get into a position where I have more issues than MCE(which are quite a bit at the moment...)

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justinh:

ahh 64 bit. how it's just not worth it yet

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aBs0lut30:

justinh: why do you say that?

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Crewsr3_3:

Is there a way I can get an RSS feed of the Myth forums. Just so I can see what is happening?

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justinh:

what mythtv forums?

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justinh:

there's NO official mythtv forum

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Crewsr3_3:

http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301

[14:23:26]

Crewsr3_3:

well I guess the ubuntu forms

[14:23:32]

justinh:

aBs0lut30: for mere mortals, virtually bugger all advantage in 64 bit over 32 bit, so I'm reliably informed

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justinh:

Crewsr3_3: that's the er.. beauty of forums. oops. forums suck

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[14:25:39]

justinh:

wow, ubuntu are using vbulletin

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aBs0lut30:

on a side note, anybody heard of anyone running a backend on a VM?

[14:27:20]

aBs0lut30:

justinh: can you expand a bit on "virtually bugger all advantage"

[14:28:22]

justinh:

aBs0lut30: basically, not worth the meagre performance gain even before considering instability

[14:28:22]

tyldis:

aBs0lut30: Excluding people with a deathwish, no.

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aBs0lut30:

lol, people with a deathwish?

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justinh:

aBs0lut30: myth in a VM.. foolhardy idea. though if you have networked capture devices (aka HD Homerun), it's a possible reality

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tyldis:

Getting all the hardware to work properly in a real environment can be hard enough...

[14:29:58]

justinh:

and I assume you 'need' a VM to be 'one of the cool kidz'

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simoo:

I'm going to buy a new gfx board, what nvidia card should I get to guarantee compatibility with VDPAU? I know there is something about HD that's only partially supported in some

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aBs0lut30:

lol, nah, just a idea im entertaining... mainly for storage not for vid capture, I have a large server with a bunch of disk space running vm that I do my server and windows dev stuff on so was just thinking about kicking up a vm for storage...

[14:34:35]

aBs0lut30:

plus it would be kind of cool to run some front ends in vm, have some in wall thin clients hooked up to the gig lan >:D

[14:34:54]

** aBs0lut30 is a bit of a geek **

[14:35:07]

simoo:

Anyone help with a VDPAU graphics card reccomendation?

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aBs0lut30:

that reminds me, anybody know if they have opened up VC-1 on any more chips yet? i just cant believe that it only works on the older chipsets...

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aBs0lut30:

through VDPAU that is

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simoo:

vc-1 is the blueray and HD dvd support right?

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aBs0lut30:

well, if memory serves h264 is bluray and vc-1 is hddvd... and wmvhd

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simoo:

the wiki seems to suggest it is used for blueray and hddvd

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aBs0lut30:

humm, guess so, you learn something new everyday...

[14:41:04]

simoo:

would I be right in saying that any nvidia card 8 or later will have support for VDPAU?

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aBs0lut30:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU

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simoo:

yeah, I been looking at that, the cards are very specific and finding exact ones isn't easy. I also read on wikipedia that cards after and including the 8 series support it and would like to know if it's that simple?

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GreyFoxx:

not all 8xxx support it

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GreyFoxx:

my 8400gs supports it, my 8500gt doesn't

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simoo:

right, thanks. So would I be safe going for a 9 series? or is there a way of knowing?

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GreyFoxx:

Reading the notes on each of the nvidia driver releases is about it

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GreyFoxx:

and I believe they include docs with the driver that likely includes it

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simoo:

ok thanks

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justinh:

aBs0lut30: you might be a bit of a geek but seemingly ignorant of how bad video playback within a VM would be. I can tell you in one word: SUCKY

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quicksilver:

gbee: xris: thanks for the new mythtv website ;)

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justinh:

not to mention that myth frontends do the video decoding themselves... even with gig ethernet you'd be hard pressed to send uncompressed HDTV video frames down there at a good framerate

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aBs0lut30:

that was more of a joke than anything...

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simoo:

it would seem that for full VDPAU support a G98 based card is needed (third generation PureVideo HD)

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justinh:

so unless by 'thin client' you mean 'some tiny computer based on nvidia's Ion platform (or similar)' ...

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justinh:

aBs0lut30: yeah yeah whatever

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levander:

I had a television blow out that was hooked up to my Myth box. When I hooked up another television, there's this column about four inches wide all the way to the left of the screen that's tinted purple. Anyone know what that purple tint is called to make it easier for me to search for a solution?

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khunt:

its called purple death

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justinh:

sounds like you need to DEGAUSS the toob man

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levander:

I already hooked the television up in another place, the picture is fine there.

[14:59:34]

levander:

Don't know what would have happened if I had degaussed it when it was still hooked up to the Myth box.

[14:59:40]

levander:

I'm looking up purple death now.

[14:59:48]

justinh:

in another place

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justinh:

got any big speakers near it hmm?

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levander:

thinking...

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levander:

no, and the thing was, the old tv that blew out was the exact same model

[15:00:30]

justinh:

any other big sources of stray magnetic fields?

[15:00:51]

justinh:

well, it's possible you have a dangerous grounding problem in that room

[15:00:53]

levander:

Just the computer that's got myth on it, and that's pretty far away, on a different shelf

[15:01:05]

mag0o:

is it a consistant 4" line

[15:01:08]

levander:

justinh: The TV before was working fine for a long time before it blew.

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mag0o:

not like a blob

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justinh:

not so much possible, but highly probable

[15:01:33]

levander:

Well, pretty consistent, not 100%.

[15:01:34]

justinh:

levander: things tend to work for a long time before they blow

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simoo:

I take it you tried plugging something else in to it?

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justinh:

step1: unplug the PC from it

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mag0o:

i had a similar thing on my myth box, had the line on the tv with myth, but nothing on live tv

[15:01:58]

mag0o:

a reboot fixed mine

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justinh:

with everything powered off

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levander:

simoo: I'm afraid to plug a 3rd thing in till I know more. The last two didn't do so good. It could have been coincidence they were hooked to the same video card. I don't know.

[15:02:43]

justinh:

unplug the PC from the TV

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justinh:

with everything powered down

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justinh:

then try say, a DVD player or games console

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simoo:

I mean plug something different into the TV to see if your Myth box is the problem

[15:03:14]

levander:

mag0o: Was it kind of tinted your problem? It's like I kind of had to study the picture to find out what was wrong, then when I knew what I was looking for, I could see it right away.

[15:03:17]

justinh:

with the PC disconnected from the TV, still

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simoo:

yeah, I would

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justinh:

determine if the problem lies with the TV, or with the computer

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levander:

simoo: I moved the tv into a different room and plugged it in there. It works fine.

[15:03:58]

justinh:

so the problem is the computer

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levander:

justinh: That's what I'm trying to do.

[15:04:10]

levander:

justinh: Probably the computer.

[15:04:13]

justinh:

and the old TV going faulty was just a coincidence

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simoo:

tv worked fine with computer plugged in, in a different room?

[15:04:36]

levander:

Or, the video card is sending out weird signals and fried the old one. The new one wasn't exposed as long, so didn't fry.

[15:04:46]

levander:

simoo: No, I didn't move the computer.

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simoo:

ic

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justinh:

levander: you'd have to output some amazingly bad signal to 'blow up' a TV

[15:05:07]

simoo:

well you can join me in looing for a new gfx card!

[15:05:34]

justinh:

I think based on the pickings today I'll be giving this channel a rest at the weekend

[15:05:37]

levander:

If the problem is the computer, any idea what that effect would be called? So I can google around looking for suggestions?

[15:06:26]

levander:

simoo: I just go to Newegg when I need a new video card. Check out stuff like if HDMI is available cheaply yet? I usually get a low end of the last generation or two that has the features I want.

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mag0o:

levander: it was shaded gray, but not purple

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simoo:

thanks, looks like I want a fanless GF8400 GS to support VDPAU nicely

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levander:

mag0o: Fuck, I don't have LCD tv.s yet. I'm gonna have to lug that damn TV all the way back to the MythTV room just because I didn't think of rebooting...

[15:07:26]

mag0o:

mine is crt tube tv

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justinh:

if the problem is the computer? possibly just a duff video card. possibly a driver update you installed caused it

[15:07:38]

levander:

simoo: Do the cards have HDMI outs on them these days yet?

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justinh:

ffs course they do

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simoo:

some of them do yeah

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simoo:

is there a great advantage to having hdmi, you can get a dvi to hdmi cable anyway

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levander:

simoo: That's what I'd get then, one with HDMI, I like fanless too, you might look into HDCP, but if it has HDMI, I think that means it has HDCP. I can't think of any other features off the top of my head.

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levander:

simoo: HDMI carries audio and video, DVI just video.

[15:09:01]

simoo:

lavander: I would put a different graphics card in the myth box and see if it sorts the problem

[15:09:10]

levander:

simoo: Just less wires. Resolution of video signal is the same I believe.

[15:09:28]

levander:

simoo: Yeah, but I got to buy a new video card if I do that. No more lying around...

[15:09:36]

simoo:

yeah dvi is the same as hdmi cept for the drm stuff as I understand it

[15:09:52]

simoo:

and the ability to carry sound

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levander:

Even if you're not gonna use the DRM stuff for Myth, I'd get it, in case you hook up to a different STB later.

[15:10:16]

simoo:

I am running DVI to HDMI now

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levander:

Is the effect with the purple tinting called "purple death" or was that d3ity making a bad joke?

[15:10:49]

simoo:

true, although I don't want to use the drm stuff!

[15:10:59]

simoo:

I think it was a joke

[15:11:22]

levander:

Just get the DRM. It's not like you're the UN who has to make an example.

[15:11:24]

simoo:

I would just swap the gfx board over and you will know right away

[15:11:37]

levander:

simoo: Swap it over with what?

[15:11:55]

simoo:

I was assuming you had a spare or maybe borrow one from another box

[15:12:41]

levander:

I could, big pain. I'm gonna try the rebooting thing first. Thanks guys. I'm gonna go work on it...

[15:12:56]

simoo:

hope you get it sorted :)

[15:12:56]

levander:

simoo: Look at the other cards and see if those have features you want before you buy.

[15:13:40]

levander:

The more time I spend looking at features, it's like the more familiar I get with what's available, and eventually even get all the features at like maybe $3/$4 more. Low end video cards seem to be like that, at least when I've shopped for them...

[15:14:18]

simoo:

yeah, it's not very clear what will support vdpau. The G98 based GPU is what is needed but of cource none of the cards specify what GPU they use!

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simoo:

think i'll go for this: http://www.dabs.com/ProductView.aspx?Quicklin . . . mp;InMerch=1

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msphobia1:

I have an hdhomerun I've been happily using with myth for almost two years now, then suddenly last week, the signal quality started deteriorating at the beginning of a recording, then the signal quality dropped to zero, and now although I see 100% signal strength, I consistently get 0% signal quality, I've verified that it's not my antenna (works fine with my tv's atsc tuner), has anyone seen something like this? has my hdhomer

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RyeBrye:

simoo: the 512 MB Asus EN8400GS at NewEgg is G98 and it's cheap

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simoo:

RyeBrye: thanks found the same thing on Dabs (I'm in the UK) and it is a bit cheaper :) although it doesn't have the hdmi adapter thingy...

[17:07:27]

RyeBrye:

if the HDMI adapter doesn't do audio passthrough from the card, a normal DVI -> HDMI adapters is around $4 or $5

[17:07:30]

iamlindoro_:

Get the Asus, the card you linked isn't G98

[17:08:43]

simoo:

it's the G98 gpu that's important as far as I'm concerned, thank you, how did you know the card I linked wasn't?

[17:09:10]

iamlindoro_:

clock speeds

[17:09:18]

simoo:

(Apparantly the card I linked can do audio pass through)

[17:09:38]

simoo:

oh really! wow your clued up on your nvidia cards :)

[17:10:50]

simoo:

i'ts such a gamble getting the right card when two cards are labled the same but have different gpu's...

[17:14:10]

wagnerrp:

the G86 chips are usually ~450, while the G98s are ~550

[17:14:44]

wagnerrp:

that seems to be the only real noticeable difference as far as a store will show you

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simoo:

thanks for that info :)

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sphery:

rooaus: Nice work on the finding the locking issue.

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d0netsFN:

hey i have my pvr150 using coax for all the tv recording

[17:46:49]

d0netsFN:

can i use the extra red and white audio jacks to plug my 360 sound into?

[17:46:55]

d0netsFN:

to play through my pc speakers

[17:47:57]

shadash:

why doesn't http://www.mythtv.org/ fill up my entire webpage?

[17:48:26]

shadash:

the content "bubbles" stop about 2/3rds of the way across

[17:49:27]

shadash:

and why curved corners on the left edge of the content bubbles but 90degree corners on the right?

[17:49:51]

meshe:

probably because that's the way it was designed :)

[17:50:00]

iamlindoro_:

Why blue instead of green?

[17:50:04]

iamlindoro_:

I WANT ANSWERS

[17:50:19]

shadash:

Well the design is odd

[17:50:35]

shadash:

everything is well done but certain things aren't there

[17:51:06]

shadash:

wondering if that is by design or just hasn't been implemented yet

[17:51:09]

iamlindoro_:

shadash: Is there *any* point to your complaint? Do you have a redesign waiting in the wings for us? Or is it just to make your opinion known?

[17:51:26]

iamlindoro_:

Irritating

[17:51:34]

shadash:

who wrote it?

[17:51:47]

iamlindoro_:

read the site

[17:51:48]

meshe:

if you read the second bubble you'll find out :)

[17:52:07]

shadash:

ahh ok

[17:52:08]

sphery:

d0netsFN: only if you also set up the S-Video or Composite input on your PVR-x50 and then start recording from it and playing back the MPEG live when you're playing XBox. But, I think you'll find having sound delayed several seconds from the video will make Guitar Hero a challenge. Or, you could actually pipe the video through the PVR-x50, then you'll delay both sound and video, so they'll be in sync. Oh, and if you do that, ...

[17:52:14]

sphery:

... look me up on XBox Live--I'd love to play something against you when I'm 3 seconds ahead of you.

[17:52:47]

sphery:

shadash: it's fixed width on purpose

[17:52:58]

** iamlindoro_ looks sphery up on xbox live, notes his world record on Barbie Horse Stable **

[17:53:03]

shadash:

ok

[17:53:22]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: took me a /lot/ of time to beat that 9-yr old in Europe

[17:53:44]

iamlindoro_:

I notice you got the Pretty Pretty Princess achievement, nice job!

[17:53:48]

sphery:

and could she ever talk trash

[17:54:26]

iamlindoro_:

Called into question your sexual preference and cast aspersions about your mom, while teabagging your corpse?

[17:54:59]

sphery:

no, she said, "Bring it!"

[17:55:05]

sphery:

I didn't have any response

[17:55:14]

sphery:

just unplugged my headset

[17:55:16]

iamlindoro_:

"Oh, it's already been brought'n"

[17:55:22]

sphery:

heh

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sphery:

So I tried using a program that changes pixels very quickly (basically colored static) to unstick my stuck pixel on my laptop and didn't succeed. I've seen talk of "pixel massaging", but I have an "HP Brightview Infinity" screen which has the glossy cover over the screen going from edge to edge of the laptop--extending beyond the screen--and can't deflect the screen in the location of the stuck pixel.

[17:58:24]

sphery:

Annoying that my first ever bad pixel on an LCD is on a laptop vs an $89 monitor.

[17:58:32]

justinh:

pixel massaging? I've heard some poppycock in my time but..

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meshe:

kinda like a god psycologist?

[17:59:06]

sphery:

basically pushing on the screen to move the liquid around (i.e. on a normal screen you see white areas where you push)

[17:59:26]

sphery:

I just can't get a happy ending from my pixel massaging, though. :(

[17:59:29]

justinh:

oh that kind of pixel massaging. that might work, but I can't see it being a long-lasting fix

[17:59:43]

meshe:

depends on why it's stuck

[17:59:47]

justinh:

yup

[18:00:11]

justinh:

if a transistor is broken, or a microscopic track.. you're boned

[18:00:40]

sphery:

Well, at least it's the blue subpixel--my favorite color. I think I'd be upset it it were red.

[18:00:52]

justinh:

if it's only a small crack, some flexing might fix it

[18:01:05]

meshe:

yeah, a red glaring dot would be annoying

[18:01:19]

justinh:

the monitor we have at work with the red vertical line had it once before, then a quick knock on the back fixed it

[18:01:29]

d0netsFN:

well sphery i need the audio workin

[18:01:33]

d0netsFN:

i cant get the mic in working

[18:01:35]

justinh:

somebody slammed the lab door & it went off a few months later

[18:02:02]

kyriptic:

is there a way to seperate mythvideo player preferences between different frontends?

[18:02:03]

justinh:

d0netsFN: I read the channel log. putting your xbox into mythtv is going to result in you REALLY sucking at games

[18:02:17]

justinh:

kyriptic: nope

[18:02:20]

kyriptic:

nice

[18:02:21]

kyriptic:

thakns

[18:02:25]

kyriptic:

atleast it was a quick answer

[18:02:47]

meshe:

huh, yeah, my 2 frontends use different players

[18:02:48]

justinh:

although video playback profiles are frontend specific

[18:02:57]

d0netsFN:

ok well

[18:02:57]

kyriptic:

has there been any like hacks to get around that? like making different video groups using parental controls or something?

[18:02:59]

** justinh checks the database **

[18:03:05]

d0netsFN:

then how do i get my mic input working in mythbuntu

[18:03:31]

d0netsFN:

which lemme take a couple screens

[18:03:49]

meshe:

my mythvideo seems to store things totally separate between the frontends including videos/player...

[18:03:50]

justinh:

oh yeah you can have mythvideo use different players on different frontends

[18:04:01]

justinh:

meshe: nah the videos are all common

[18:04:15]

kyriptic:

cool point me to configuration?

[18:04:15]

meshe:

they use the same path for video files, but i have to rescan on both frontends

[18:04:31]

justinh:

| VideoDefaultPlayer | Internal | core2frontend |

[18:04:37]

kyriptic:

gotcha

[18:04:58]

sphery:

but player for video types (extensions you specify) can't differ on different frontends

[18:05:00]

kyriptic:

if you set a perfile or filetype player specific command, it will be on both frontends though, right?

[18:05:00]

justinh:

meshe: nope. you must have them on different paths on each frontend. whoops

[18:05:04]

sphery:

i.e. you can only change the default player

[18:05:05]

justinh:

kyriptic: yup

[18:05:09]

kyriptic:

gotcha

[18:05:15]

kyriptic:

thanks guys, much help

[18:05:16]

meshe:

justinh: nope

[18:05:23]

justinh:

Internal should be good enough for everything

[18:05:25]

justinh:

meshe: BS

[18:05:30]

d0netsFN:

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1411/volum . . . lc850bx5.png

[18:05:47]

kyriptic:

i'm not on svn so my internal doesnt support vdpau, but my mplayer does, so for now, i'll be using that for select things

[18:05:58]

justinh:

meshe: I only even scan for videos on my frontend upstairs and yet – my livingroom frontend sees them fine :)

[18:06:34]

kyriptic:

i only scan for videos on one frontend too, although, i accidentally just removed all my videos from database because i scanned on the other machine when the drive wasnt mounted (i've done this before)

[18:06:38]

justinh:

d0netsFN: what are you trying to do? I mean why do you want audio inputs to work for a games console? so you can play said console through mythtv with 3–4 seconds of lag?!

[18:06:39]

Anduin:

You only need to scan once, though your view/filter settings may differ

[18:06:40]

kyriptic:

so that basically confirms that they share database haha

[18:06:43]

meshe:

justinh: maybe that's something that changed in 22? i'm on 21-fixes

[18:06:54]

Anduin:

meshe: it didn't

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justinh:

meshe: I don't run anything but -fixes on my production system

[18:07:52]

d0netsFN:

justinh

[18:07:52]

d0netsFN:

no

[18:08:02]

d0netsFN:

im wanting to use my mic input

[18:08:04]

d0netsFN:

like i use to

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Anduin:

and for years my default player was ~/bin/playvideo.sh, can vary it per frontend however you like as long as it is the same path everywhere even for specific file types

[18:08:22]

d0netsFN:

i cin mythbuntu 8.10

[18:08:37]

justinh:

d0netsFN: take it up in #alsa then :)

[18:08:44]

justinh:

or #ubuntu-mythtv

[18:08:46]

d0netsFN:

im in*

[18:08:56]

d0netsFN:

i asked in #ubuntu-mythtv

[18:09:06]

d0netsFN:

i got nada

[18:09:09]

d0netsFN:

as usual

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laga:

yeah

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laga:

damn idiots in there

[18:09:49]

iamlindoro_:

It's the fault of the packagers

[18:09:54]

laga:

if i were you, i'd ask for a refund

[18:09:54]

iamlindoro_:

laga: ;)

[18:09:57]

justinh:

so what makes you think people here will be able to help? if you can't enable the input in the linux mixer, you're plain out of luck meaning it's the driver to blame

[18:09:59]

laga:

iamlindoro_: yeah

[18:10:05]

iamlindoro_:

laga: I demand you get your amanger immediately

[18:10:08]

iamlindoro_:

manager

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d0netsFN:

because its achan with a decent population, and i figured maybe someone else might be using the same distro and have the same issue or know a bit more about the mythbuntu audio controls

[18:10:38]

d0netsFN:

they are regular then ubuntu

[18:10:43]

d0netsFN:

fuck

[18:10:47]

d0netsFN:

woops

[18:10:55]

d0netsFN:

they are different than ubuntu*

[18:11:06]

d0netsFN:

i was reading something and typing at the same time ;)

[18:11:06]

laga:

iamlindoro_: sure. he's got nine friends which can run faster than you

[18:11:37]

kyriptic:

is there a commandline option to launch a file with the myth internal player? i remember there used to be

[18:11:48]

justinh:

ah so in their infinite wisdom whoever made the mixer or the driver has decided you can only select the mic input to be recorded. hahaha

[18:11:52]

Anduin:

kyriptic: mythtv filename

[18:12:07]

kyriptic:

ty

[18:12:44]

justinh:

actually it might even be a sound device limitation

[18:12:52]

iamlindoro_:

laga: I dunno, I'm pretty quick ;)

[18:13:01]

d0netsFN:

it worked fine in ubuntu

[18:13:02]

justinh:

it might simply not have the routing to do that. meh

[18:13:09]

d0netsFN:

i just went ot the sound settings and enabled the mic

[18:13:15]

justinh:

d0netsFN: so then it's probably a driver issue

[18:13:18]

d0netsFN:

i have no probs in windblows either, but i hate windblows

[18:13:23]

iamlindoro_:

What in the poop ha any o this to do with Myth?

[18:13:26]

iamlindoro_:

has

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: FA

[18:13:36]

iamlindoro_:

exactly

[18:13:40]

justinh:

but the box has mythbuntu on it

[18:13:55]

justinh:

so it's mythbuntu's responsibility, and he got zero in their irc channel

[18:14:06]

iamlindoro_:

Next we'll be doing his plumbing because his house has a mythbox in it

[18:14:22]

justinh:

next step, asking random people in the street if they know what's up with it :P

[18:15:03]

justinh:

d0netsFN: you tried in alsamixer btw?

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d0netsFN:

in terminal?

[18:15:43]

justinh:

interminable. yes

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iamlindoro_:

this conversation sure is

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iamlindoro_:

why not #ubuntu, again?

[18:16:30]

iamlindoro_:

If the excuse is there's lots of people here, theres WAY more there

[18:17:11]

sphery:

So, does anyone have any hints on using VDPAU on a a 3dfx Voodoo?

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laga:

sphery: only in sli mode

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sphery:

darn, I only have one card

[18:17:40]

justinh:

sphery: first you have to make the card fit a pci-e slot

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laga:

use a mirror and trick it into thinking it's SLI

[18:17:46]

justinh:

so get your hacksaw out

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: The box CLEARLY says watch full screen video, that's a PROMISE by the manufacturer that it works with VDPAU!

[18:17:48]

sphery:

I figured it must work, though, since nvidia bought 3dfx

[18:18:05]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: right, those corporate liars

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sphery:

I am entitled to better support for my card.

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directhex:

and cupcakes

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justinh:

and ponies!

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sphery:

ooh cupcakes

[18:18:37]

directhex:

better support for your card, and cupcakes

[18:18:42]

iamlindoro_:

VDPAU exists in a public driver, it MUST be supported!!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!

[18:18:57]

sphery:

and the driver is stable, so VDPAU is stable!

[18:19:37]

justinh:

I heard VDPAU is just like XvMC in principle, so I plan to buy another Epia M10k board & use that to play h.264 HDTV

[18:19:51]

sphery:

laga: to use a mirror for SLI, do I need to use RAID 1 or could I do RAID 1+0?

[18:20:27]

laga:

sphery: raid 0+0 ought to work well

[18:20:30]

justinh:

sphery: to mirror a HDD you actually need two mirrors. one to the side of the disk & one underneath it

[18:21:01]

sphery:

justinh: makes sense... Other wise you couldn't handle all the platters

[18:21:28]

GreyFoxx:

holy shit

[18:21:34]

justinh:

and I read on a blog once that RAID5 is a bunch of mirrors in a pentagon arrangement

[18:21:41]

sphery:

so, raid 0+0... With what I know of math, 0+0 = 0, so if I do 0 raid--just skip it--I have a good mirror?

[18:21:50]

GreyFoxx:

My boss who has been wanted to do a big video/maybe myth setup just asked me to pay out a video headend

[18:21:50]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: like funhouse mirrors

[18:22:16]

GreyFoxx:

with 100 Sat receivers, rencoding to a building with 300 units over fibre

[18:22:32]

GreyFoxx:

eerr layout, not payout :)

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Whose sat? BEV may do the same thing DTV/Dish does here and provide dish farm->satellite installs

[18:23:14]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: Using Myth for distribution? That's impressive.

[18:23:18]

iamlindoro_:

er dish farm->fiber

[18:23:33]

iamlindoro_:

oh, he wants to use myth for that?

[18:23:35]

iamlindoro_:

wow

[18:23:41]

GreyFoxx:

He's basically given me the two end points and said, figoure out all the middle pieces

[18:23:49]

GreyFoxx:

and got me contacts at the sat companie and so on

[18:23:50]

iamlindoro_:

I guess we'll know about Myth's largely-theoretical scaling then

[18:24:12]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Currently he's talking about starchoice, but who knows in the end

[18:24:16]

sphery:

well, udo proved you can't record 3 channels 24/7 because it uses memory

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[18:24:27]

GreyFoxx:

apparently he's prettyserious about it this time

[18:24:27]

sphery:

and, no one wants their myth system to use memory

[18:24:39]

GreyFoxx:

he's got two of us he wants to start working on it

[18:24:49]

GreyFoxx:

to figure out what parts are needed to do it

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: ION

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

[18:25:00]

iamlindoro_:

for serious!

[18:25:02]

sphery:

so, this means lots of cool patches to Myth, right?

[18:25:14]

GreyFoxx:

sphery: *shrug*

[18:25:18]

sphery:

now that you're a professional myth developer

[18:25:22]

GreyFoxx:

At this point I'm still a little in shock

[18:27:20]

joe2371:

Hi. Quick (hopefully) question. Does mythtv support streaming live TV across the LAN? I'm hoping to avoid putting a digital cable converter on each TV.

[18:27:20]

GreyFoxx:

We do work currently for a company that does this kind of thing in some buildings now. (takes 40 receivers turns them into 40 channels in the retirement home)

[18:27:23]

iamlindoro_:

I sat around all day and wrote myth patches and presumably will get paid this week-- does that make me a professional myth dev? ;)

[18:27:32]

GreyFoxx:

but this one he wants hdtv and some more advanced stuff

[18:27:43]

GreyFoxx:

joe2371: Yes

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joe2371:

GreyFoxx: :-) Will I probably want (or need) tuners with hardware compression on capture?

[18:28:33]

GreyFoxx:

you will want that if you can

[18:28:43]

GreyFoxx:

otherwise the backend will have to compress it in cpu

[18:28:52]

GreyFoxx:

hardware compression is just easier over all

[18:29:47]

sphery:

joe2371: assuming you're doing analog TV. If you're doing digital, it's already transmitted compressed.

[18:29:53]

joe2371:

Ok. My intention is to transcode things using spare cycles, though. Using one of the more efficient, recent codecs, perhaps.

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sphery:

IMHO, the cost of transcoding is >>> the cost of hard drives when comparing the space savings going from MPEG-2 to MPEG-4

[18:30:39]

joe2371:

sphery: oic. I have not yet invested in the necessary tuners. Nor have I decided exactly what I'm trying to accomplish yet.

[18:31:24]

sphery:

i.e. a 1.5TB HDD is $129.99, and it will hold 750hrs of MPEG-2

[18:31:54]

directhex:

and how long will it hold the files for before bricking?

[18:32:04]

sphery:

You might be able to get 1500hrs of MPEG-4, but 750 hours is 31 days of recordings

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sphery:

(2GB/hr assumes SDTV, for HDTV, it will be between about 4GB and 8GB/hr--averaging about 5GB/hr--I have 3TB full of 602 hrs of HDTV)

[18:34:12]

meshe:

justinh: yeah, i just checked the db, i'm not sure why i have to scan on my second frontend after scanning on my main one, maybe i was in mythvideo and it had already loaded the datastructure and I didn't need to rescan just leave and re-enter

[18:34:14]

joe2371:

It's digital cable, currently using leased converters. I'd like to pare down to, say, 1 converter box for premium cable, plus perhaps 2 tuners of basic digital cable, plus maybe SDTV over the air for additional conflict resolution capability for broadcast channels during primetime.

[18:34:19]

sphery:

directhex: could always go with the $99.99 1TB WD Green if you're worried about the Seagates

[18:34:29]

sphery:

that's still 500hrs of SDTV

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iamlindoro_:

The WD Greens are lovely

[18:34:39]

sphery:

(or 200hrs of HDTV)

[18:34:41]

iamlindoro_:

And quiet

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joe2371:

But I'm paying a fee per coax outlet, plus more per converter box. All of which I'd like to reduce.

[18:35:34]

iamlindoro_:

Erm.... they can't make you pay a fee per drop

[18:35:44]

meshe:

the fee per coax outlet is such a scam, thankfully our cable providers got rid of it

[18:35:53]

** directhex will stick with samsung f1 **

[18:36:07]

sphery:

make sure you realize that Myth can only get unencrypted video without an STB (unless you're in a country where CAM's are available/legal)

[18:36:28]

joe2371:

Well, until I can figure out how to get them to stop scamming me, I intend to try to use only one outlet.

[18:36:35]

joe2371:

...if possible.

[18:36:39]

sphery:

i.e. if your cable company encrypts all but the local channels, you will only get the locals with Myth, unless you output from an STB

[18:37:18]

sphery:

and if you're talking about HDTV, it's /very/ likely they encrypt all but the local channels

[18:37:40]

sphery:

(So if that's acceptable to you, you may be able to /really/ save money by just getting an antenna. OTA ftw!)

[18:37:46]

JEDIDIAH__:

...and the local channels are probably available in better quality OTA these days.

[18:37:53]

sphery:

yep

[18:38:02]

meshe:

are many HDTV STB's encrypting the video out?

[18:38:03]

sphery:

almost all cable co's lower bitrate on them

[18:38:05]

joe2371:

My cable service includes one STB in the basic price. So that's not a problem. It depends on just how many channels turn out to be encrypted.

[18:38:07]

justinh:

and in other news.. why doesn't 'delete recording' actually mean 'delete recording' ? I'm sitting here trying to maliciously wipe out all my wife's stories & I don't see the free hdd space indicator increasing!

[18:38:26]

joe2371:

If it is too many channels that I care about, then I may need more than one STB for conflict resolution.

[18:38:32]

JEDIDIAH__:

you may find it makes more sense to get a HDHR For your local channels and "save the STB" for stuff that's really cable only.

[18:38:48]

sphery:

meshe: Not the Component/composite/S-Video out. Some refuse to send data over firewire. Don't know about HDMI...

[18:39:17]

justinh:

hdmi is prolly encrippled with hdcp ftw.. and if not, pretty soon will be :)

[18:39:21]

JEDIDIAH__:

HDMI is encryption's trojan horse

[18:39:24]

meshe:

so most of allow the hdtv to go out component/composite/svideo?

[18:39:32]

sphery:

In my world "cable only" translates to "not worth watching, unless it is, in which case I would have wanted to buy it on DVD, anyway"

[18:39:42]

justinh:

good luck getting hdtv on composite or svideo :D

[18:39:50]

joe2371:

I don't care too much about HDTV since I'm the only one in the household with eyes good enough to see the difference.

[18:40:16]

sphery:

justinh: yeah, I agree with the "if not, pretty soon will be." I just don't know how much of it has been seen in the real world, so far.

[18:40:20]

JEDIDIAH__:

Well, HD downsampled to svideo might be the sort of decent version of SD that cable companies should have been providing all along.

[18:40:46]

justinh:

sphery: doubt there are all that many HDMI input TVs which don't have HDCP...

[18:41:10]

JEDIDIAH__:

SD cable is crappy because cable providers choose to make it so.

[18:41:21]

sphery:

right, HDMI requires HDCP support, but it's whether they're actually requiring it before output over HDMI that I don't know

[18:41:29]

joe2371:

My relatives all say, "Wow! HD is amazing" when there is a blu-ray commercial with the saturation cranked way up at the beginning of a DVD. ;-)

[18:41:48]

justinh:

meh

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justinh:

so much HD looks oversaturated to me anyway.. but then most of the HD I've seen is in shops

[18:42:22]

sphery:

I still like DisplayPort better than HDMI. I would /love/ DisplayPort if it didn't have DPCP and HDCP.

[18:42:44]

justinh:

wait til we get hdmi 4.0

[18:43:00]

justinh:

ethernet over hdmi.. wonder what they'll use that for

[18:43:19]

sphery:

justinh: Then you'll love the new laser TV's... They use oversaturation as a marketing point, it seems.

[18:43:23]

joe2371:

... and this was on a "1080p" LCD with 5ms refresh and only ~700 lines of vertical resolution.

[18:43:51]

justinh:

but at least with the next gen hdmi, you can pass audio back & forth, so plug your thing into your hdmi TV input, then pass an hdmi cable to your AV amp.. and voila! hd audio from the telly :)

[18:43:59]

justinh:

I was shocked to find out you can't already do that

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joe2371:

So, anyway... To stream live video from a server to a client, what will I need to do? I have been playing with mythbuntu on an external drive to try to learn more. This is a feature I haven't found yet.

[18:46:45]

directhex:

justinh, i think some tellys have optical out to do that :/

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justinh:

but I thought optical didn't have the capacity for that super-duper HD audio

[18:47:10]

joe2371:

directhex: they surely do, but often only when their internal tuner is used.

[18:49:11]

sphery:

optical can have lots of bandwidth... TOSLink squanders that bandwidth (since it was designed for use with S/PDIF, which is ancient)

[18:49:34]

justinh:

sphery: that's exactly what I've been thinking all along

[18:50:10]

justinh:

I mean you can stuff oodles of data down one coax, and plenty down one red optical link

[18:50:12]

sphery:

Yeah, S/PDIF can only do 2-channel uncompressed PCM audio or multi-channel compressed (AC-3 or DTS) audio

[18:50:26]

sphery:

In HDMI 1.3+, you can do 8-channel uncompressed PCM audio

[18:50:45]

justinh:

yeah but that's only a difference in the signalling

[18:50:47]

sphery:

(though none of the available cards seem to support it--they all just send S/PDIF over HDMI)

[18:51:40]

justinh:

they're not kidding me that they can't do the bandwidth needed in a simple buffer chip

[18:51:56]

sphery:

joe2371: a properly set up MythTV system will stream TV from the backend system to the frontend system. (However, MythTV is not ideal for LiveTV.)

[18:52:16]

justinh:

livetv was a big waste of many people's time back in the 20th century

[18:52:19]

sphery:

joe2371: so, there's nothing special you need to do--just set up a Myth backend and a remote frontend and it will just work.

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sphery:

justinh: but at least it's good for giving us a ton of really interesting threads on -users list.

[18:52:46]

meshe:

live tv works great for SD

[18:52:49]

justinh:

welcome to the 21st century where rather than being couch potatoes idly grazing hundreds of shows, people watch what they want, at a time that suits them :)

[18:53:08]

joe2371:

sphery: not ideal how? I'm not the one that watches live tv. But I need to support users that do.

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justinh:

infact, livetv is so last century that advertisers & broadcasters alike are very concerned about people who timeshift television shows :P

[18:53:37]

joe2371:

One very important user, if you know what I mean.

[18:53:53]

justinh:

she can record her 'stories' :)

[18:53:59]

joe2371:

:-)

[18:54:01]

sphery:

meaning that you'll see "long channel changes" (anywhere from 1 to 15 seconds, depending on capture card, input source, and other factors), LiveTV tends to lock up every once in a while on program change, and it wastes your life

[18:54:15]

justinh:

my wife does, and she watches them all, without adverts, at 1.3x :)

[18:54:15]

joe2371:

ouch. I see.

[18:55:06]

meshe:

yeah, it's best not to be a channel surfer but to use the program guide if you are using livetv

[18:55:20]

sphery:

with SDTV and a PVR-x50 using the internal tuner (i.e. antenna or cable plugged into the card), your channel changes should be in the 1–2 second range. If you add in an STB (cable or satellite box), it can go to 2–4 seconds.

[18:55:24]

justinh:

or browse mode so you can see what's on before you flip

[18:55:24]

meshe:

and the pvr-x50's are about 2–3 second changes

[18:55:29]

joe2371:

ah, well she doesn't flip channels that I know of.

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sphery:

if you add in network storage (NFS/CIFS), it can go to 5 seconds or so

[18:56:01]

joe2371:

We currently have replaytv 4Ks so channel flipping hasn't happened around here in ages.

[18:56:01]

justinh:

if you add in some digital tuners, it can go > 10 secs

[18:56:28]

sphery:

joe2371: if you want Myth, you should teach her to have it record everything she could ever possibly want to watch, then watch what she /wants/ to watch when she wants to watch it

[18:57:01]

justinh:

it's quite a paradigm shift, but one worth preaching about

[18:57:09]

Anduin:

and hide the Watch TV menu item

[18:57:10]

joe2371:

sphery: that is the general idea, but she doesn't know what she wants to watch until it has already started.

[18:57:13]

sphery:

and the best way to do that is to get plenty of storage ($129.99 for 1.5TB HDD or $99.99 for 1TB HDD that people in this channel won't make fun of you for buying--holding about 750hrs or 500hrs of SDTV, respectively)

[18:57:21]

justinh:

just go delete the 'watch tv' menu item :P

[18:57:50]

joe2371:

If I disable live tv, I'm likely to be the next one to become disabled.

[18:57:55]

meshe:

lol

[18:58:12]

sphery:

joe2371: I set up my system to record /every single/ new series that comes on TV each season. Then, if it gets cancelled, I just delete it. If people say it's awful, I delete it. If people like it or if I think I might, I watch it.

[18:58:15]

wagnerrp:

sphery: has the issue with those 1.5TB seagates been cleared up?

[18:58:25]

clever:

sphery: i was looking at a ST31000333AS but from checking the seagate site, its one of the affected models

[18:58:50]

clever:

ive also seen mention that the firmware update to fix it is bricking 99% of the drives

[18:58:54]

sphery:

joe2371: I never know what I want to watch until I start watching it (but, usually 6 months or more after the first episode aired--and I can watch them in order and back to back, so I don't forget the story each week)

[18:59:17]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, I've applied the firmware fix to the 2 (out of 3) drives I had that were affected by the issue

[18:59:24]

joe2371:

sphery: you must have a lot of tuners

[18:59:30]

sphery:

4 capture cards

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justinh:

DELETE FROM recorded WHERE $channel like "%ITV%" OR castmember like "%Robson&Green%";

[18:59:49]

clever:

sphery: did the drives return to normal and let you access the 'missing' data?

[19:00:01]

sphery:

OTA only, but you could do the same for cable if you limit it to the new stuff you're most likely to enjoy

[19:00:36]

sphery:

clever: "missing" data?

[19:00:50]

clever:

sphery: isnt the firmware bug one that completely locks out read access?

[19:00:53]

Anduin:

silly query, there is no channel or castmember field in recorded

[19:00:58]

sphery:

clever: from my understanding, the issue only caused I/O subsystem lockup (for up to 30 seconds at a time)

[19:01:07]

clever:

Anduin: and $channel is invalid in sql as far as i know

[19:01:14]

justinh:

Anduin: I know ;)

[19:01:17]

clever:

sphery: ah

[19:01:31]

clever:

and most drives may give up after that and fail to access anything

[19:01:32]

joe2371:

Will mythtv clients be able to participate in the effort to transcode to xvid or similar with spare cycles?

[19:01:55]

meshe:

delete from recorded;

[19:01:57]

sphery:

clever: I think it was more that the controllers were giving up and sending an error to the OS. When using RAID, this caused a /lot/ of problems

[19:01:58]

clever:

joe2371: if you run mythjobqueue on a system, it can run any jobs that are queued

[19:01:59]

Anduin:

joe2371: if they have a backend process running on them

[19:02:26]

joe2371:

OK, so they would be tunerless servers, then.

[19:02:41]

clever:

sphery: no way to raid a 1tb drive here, enless i buy a pair, and i cant exactly afford to pay double

[19:02:46]

sphery:

joe2371: however, you /must/ have local file access (which includes NFS/CIFS) to do a "remote" transcode. Myth doesn't support transcoding "streaming" files.

[19:03:13]

sphery:

commflagging works without local file access (but it's probably better to use NFS/CIFS even for that)

[19:03:42]

joe2371:

sphery: oic. so I can transcode video that was captured to disk, but not video that is being watched live?

[19:03:44]

clever:

im storing my bin/ files on the same volume as the recordings, so i must have local access to the volume

[19:03:47]

sphery:

joe2371: a tunerless backend should run mythjobqueue, not mythbackend, though. (mythjobqueue takes /much/ less memory/resources)

[19:03:55]

joe2371:

ah

[19:04:03]

sphery:

joe2371: video that's being watched live is captured to disk

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Anduin:

and can't be transcoded meaningfully

[19:04:20]

sphery:

just mean that a remote frontend without the recordings directories mounted cannot transcode

[19:04:46]

wagnerrp:

sphery: at least on my controller, i can force it to continue using an errored disk in an emergency

[19:04:57]

wagnerrp:

just repair the drive, stick it back in, and youll recover with minimal data loss

[19:05:41]

sphery:

right, as Anduin said, LiveTV won't really be transcoded since after you've watched it Live, you're unlikely to keep it around (and you can't transcode it in real time--and there's really no reason to do so, anyway)

[19:06:01]

joe2371:

Oh, ok. I'm not planning to do anything fancy like diskless frontends. In fact, I would hope that popular content could be cached on, or even shared between the frontends. In addition to living on a raid array on the server.

[19:06:02]

iamlindoro_:

Also, Live TV suuuuuuuucks

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sphery:

and iamlindoro_ is exactly right!

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sphery:

joe2371: diskless works for transcoding, too... You just have to have a network filesystem mounted

[19:06:41]

wagnerrp:

joe2371: mythtv has no concept of caching. the content lives where it was recorded to only

[19:06:53]

meshe:

looks like next month I get to expand my mythnetwork to a second house

[19:06:55]

justinh:

I need to get busy with a PIC & get my remote to power my frontend on

[19:06:58]

sphery:

right, so use NFS/CIFS to mount the filesystems

[19:07:07]

justinh:

meshe: mega fast pipes eh

[19:07:11]

sphery:

justinh: wake on USB?

[19:07:21]

sphery:

or X10-like?

[19:07:22]

adz_c:

Hi there, I am having trouble getting Slackware 12.1 to detect my TV Card. I have placed the firmware file in /lib/firmware but still get message on boot saying dvb-usb-dib0700–1.20.fw cannot be found. Any ideas?

[19:07:22]

meshe:

moving next door to my parents and they love myth

[19:07:44]

meshe:

cat-6 across to their place :)

[19:07:45]

joe2371:

wagnerrp: might that be something that a plugin will add eventually?

[19:07:47]

clever:

http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/peripherals . . . aid/vt6421a/

[19:07:52]

sphery:

adz_c: probably more likely to get a good answer from a distro forum/wiki/list

[19:07:57]

wagnerrp:

next door... just dig a trench and lay down some conduit and cat5

[19:07:57]

justinh:

sphery: no X10 here. phwoar.. 10 baud!

[19:07:58]

clever:

is the read in thie sata interface hardware raid or fake raid?

[19:08:08]

meshe:

wagnerrp: yup :)

[19:08:12]

clever:

raid*

[19:08:18]

mag0o:

adz_c: does that specific file indeed exist?

[19:08:18]

justinh:

moving next door to parents? ew

[19:08:24]

wagnerrp:

joe2371: not something that can be added to the current plugin framework

[19:08:51]

joe2371:

wagnerrp: ah.

[19:08:55]

adz_c:

mag0o: yes, I got the latest file and placed it there.

[19:09:10]

joe2371:

Perhaps it will have to wait for Myth2V

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sphery:

adz_c: note that where "there" is supposed to be is different on different distros

[19:09:32]

wagnerrp:

joe2371: its not something that will be added, or is really desired by anyone

[19:09:41]

justinh:

adz_c: permissions? absolutely in the right dir? seen some /lib/firmware/$kernel-revision dirs

[19:09:48]

wagnerrp:

joe2371: the typical suggestion would be to just make sure your network can stream live

[19:10:09]

mag0o:

all of my firmware for 12.1 are also in /lib/firmware

[19:10:10]

wagnerrp:

which means you might need the capacity to push 2.5MB/s

[19:10:33]

joe2371:

wagnerrp: if so, then good. I have wished for it because my ReplayTV 4000 boxes are 10 MBit only.

[19:10:39]

wagnerrp:

something which can be readily handled by any *wired* hardware currently available

[19:10:47]

justinh:

mag0o: also, be sure the firmware file is good ;)

[19:10:53]

adz_c:

justinh: ahhhh, there is /lib/kernel revision/firmware

[19:10:55]

mag0o:

its for adz_c :)

[19:10:59]

joe2371:

The slowest things on my gigabit wired network.

[19:11:26]

adz_c:

thanks guys, will check permissions too and try other dir.

[19:11:45]

wagnerrp:

that 10mbit would be sufficient for analog tv, but not digital

[19:11:46]

meshe:

will a remote frontend work ok over 802.11G?

[19:11:53]

justinh:

adz_c: a quick google of "$tvtunercardmodel slackware" might help

[19:12:11]

justinh:

meshe: depends on the connection quality. I doubt it

[19:12:13]

wagnerrp:

meshe: its a tossup, but generally no

[19:12:23]

meshe:

good to know

[19:12:32]

wagnerrp:

G has plenty of bandwidth for SD, but you will strain it for HD

[19:12:39]

justinh:

hell I can't even stream to a machine in the same room as my router, the linux driver is so poop

[19:12:43]

directhex:

BW ain't the issue

[19:13:00]

wagnerrp:

and beyond that, if you have interference, your connection will drop temporarily causing pausing in the video

[19:13:09]

meshe:

my backend and frontend are connected trhough a gigabit switch

[19:13:15]

joe2371:

1Gbit is too slow for HD?

[19:13:24]

wagnerrp:

anything from a microwave, to a cell or cordless phone

[19:13:26]

justinh:

joe2371: nope. more than adequate

[19:13:42]

wagnerrp:

joe2371: he asked about 802.11g previously

[19:13:47]

joe2371:

AH!

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justinh:

joe2371: considering even HD is < 20Mbit/sec

[19:13:49]

joe2371:

ok

[19:13:57]

joe2371:

that g

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meshe:

and G "should" be 54 Mb

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wagnerrp:

any old 100mbit network is plenty for all but the largest myth systems

[19:14:38]

wagnerrp:

meshe: the link speed for G is 54mbps, but thats nowhere near the actual throughput

[19:14:40]

justinh:

wagnerrp: unless you use samba much. pretty much narks my network to eew

[19:15:38]

meshe:

i can max out my 10Mb internet connection with my laptop on G but when I went to 30Mb the wifi maxed at 18Mb

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meshe:

(test downloading from kernel.org

[19:15:59]

sid3windr:

poor kernel.org

[19:16:06]

sid3windr:

(and not a benchmark at all)

[19:16:25]

meshe:

i hit 30Mb with them when I hardwired in

[19:16:40]

joe2371:

Would I be able to stream a (legally backed-up ;-) DVD to a laptop over 802.11g? Given that the network is primarily a wired one?

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wagnerrp:

meshe: in a clean environment with good equipment next to each other G peaks somewhere around 25mbps

[19:17:39]

joe2371:

I guess I should check my compression rate, then.

[19:17:40]

wagnerrp:

in a typical environment, youll be luckly to hit 15mbps sustained

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meshe:

wagnerrp: yeah, i live on the 21st floor of a condo building with 900 condos, tons of wifi interferance

[19:18:38]

wagnerrp:

joe2371: dvd usually runs 5–8mbps

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wagnerrp:

if you rip/transcode it, most people drop it to 1–2mbps

[19:18:51]

joe2371:

I think I use ~10MB/min so that should be fine with sufficient buffering.

[19:19:22]

wagnerrp:

i highly doubt you use 10MBps

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sid3windr:

that's not what he said

[19:19:54]

wagnerrp:

oh, minute, my bad

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sid3windr:

:)

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joe2371:

about a gig for 90 minutes. :-)

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meshe:

that's about what I transcode to

[19:20:20]

sid3windr:

mm, last I heard 700M for 25min was little.. :P

[19:21:53]

meshe:

i think my mpegs out of myth are 2GB/hr

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sid3windr:

:)

[19:22:43]

meshe:

all of my dvds are getting ripped right now to mp4

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iamlindoro_:

!trout Passive_voice englishteacher

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** MythLogBot slaps Passive_voice with a englishteacher trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... **

[19:23:19]

wagnerrp:

sid3windr: 700m for 25 minutes recorded out of myth IS a low bitrate

[19:23:31]

sid3windr:

:)

[19:23:43]

joe2371:

Well, it sounds like I'm pretty much ready to shop for a tuner. My rosslyn blackbirds have turned out to be a mistake, so I guess I should invest some time in reading the wiki and product reviews.

[19:23:47]

wagnerrp:

well unless youre in one of those fancy schmancy countries that broadcast h.264

[19:23:58]

sid3windr:

not here :]

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wagnerrp:

awesome! they captured another meth lab van last night

[19:27:57]

wagnerrp:

im still waiting for one of those things to accidentally detonate somewhere

[19:28:07]

meshe:

*cringe*

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meshe:

mobile meth lab?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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meshe:

nasty

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iamlindoro_:

very common

[19:28:59]

wagnerrp:

bastards make it so that i cant buy any worthwhile cold medicine

[19:29:11]

iamlindoro_:

Makes it easier to avoid detection when giving off fumes if you move daily

[19:29:22]

meshe:

yeah, they took the good stuff out of nyquil

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wagnerrp:

guy at the top of the street was running one out of his basement a few years back

[19:29:51]

wagnerrp:

mother claimed she didnt know anything was going on

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joe2371:

Well, I can still get the real stuff from the pharmacy by signing for it.

[19:30:10]

wagnerrp:

joe2371: sure, but you can only get small quantities

[19:30:12]

meshe:

joe2371: what country?

[19:30:19]

joe2371:

USA

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JEDIDIAH__:

If the pharmacy is close, you're out of luck...

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: That's why they pay runners to go to each pharmacy in the city and buy the amount just under the requirement for ID

[19:30:51]

joe2371:

They let you get enough as long as you don't have too many germ-riddled children.

[19:30:54]

meshe:

i *think* it's totally gone from Canada, but the pharmacist does have certain things behind the counter

[19:31:20]

JEDIDIAH__:

depends on the state

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JEDIDIAH__:

some states you can't buy any amount without ID

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meshe:

you can buy codiene without a prescription here if you ask the pharmacist

[19:31:58]

JEDIDIAH__:

I wish the republicans would target their anti-big-government rhetoric to that crap.

[19:32:24]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i need an ID for a single box

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meshe:

i have no problem with them requiring ID for it, i'm not sure that's the solution to the problem though

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joe2371:

Personally, I don't mind jumping through a few hoops to get real sudafed. It's pretty much the only OTC medicine I know of that actually does anything as far as I can tell. to me, though, OTC pain killers are no better than placebo. If a pain is mild enough to treat with advil, then it is mild enough to simply ignore.

[19:33:58]

JEDIDIAH__:

stuff should either be prescription or not... not kinda-sort-halfway-in-between

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JEDIDIAH__:

advil is a prescription pain killer in the right dosage.

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wagnerrp:

whats with the 'bebo invitation' on -users?

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** joe2371 investigates #mythtv-users-offtopic **

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meshe:

lol

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wagnerrp:

im actually talking about the mailing list

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justinh:

is it true that anybody over the age of 17 on bebo is erm.. of ill-intent?

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wagnerrp:

justinh: well they could be FBI agents

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JEDIDIAH__:

there was a time that you just assumed that anyone was of ill-intent.

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if entrapment can be considered ill-intent

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JEDIDIAH__:

entrapment is a classic example of "ill-intent"

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wagnerrp:

well depending on the reason, it could be good intent with poor methods

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JEDIDIAH__:

if someone is out to get you does it really matter if they are a cop or a thug?

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wagnerrp:

depends on the reason theyre out to get you

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joe2371:

I've seen a bluetooth remote on amazon. Is there any sense in looking at these for use with MythTV?

[19:39:31]

wagnerrp:

im not claiming the actions are warranted, just the intent

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wagnerrp:

joe2371: only if its supported by LIRC

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JEDIDIAH__:

from the other end of the ether, it really doesn't matter why someone is out to get you or if they somehow think they're heroic.

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joe2371:

wagnerrp: hmm. I think this one partially emulates a keyboard. So it sends 'n' for next track, or something, for instance.

[19:41:50]

wagnerrp:

joe2371: it would be best if you could remap the buttons

[19:42:12]

wagnerrp:

always better to match the remote to mythtv, than have to match mythtv's keyboard commands to what the remote wants

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joe2371:

wagnerrp: Ah, ok.

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sid3windr:

US to postpone analog TV death, heh.

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joe2371:

So for tuning non-encrypted digital cable without a STB, I need a tuner that supports ClearQAM?

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iamlindoro_:

yes

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iamlindoro_:

very succinctly put, and correct

[19:45:01]

iamlindoro_:

we need more of that in here

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elg:

hello. how can I initiate auto-expire? I'm trying to see if it is working

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iamlindoro_:

Wouldn't be auto-expire any more then, would it? ;) "Expire this recording" is an option in the context menu in the Watch Recordings screen

[19:58:54]

iamlindoro_:

Actually, it may not be-- anyway, you can delete from there, and set whether it's eligible for expire

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iamlindoro_:

but auto-expire is just that... auto

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elg:

well, as i understand it auto-expire doesn't kick in until a recording starts or at other times i'm not clear about.

[20:01:27]

elg:

my disk filled up – so either auto expire wasn't auto expiring, or i did something else wrong. I'm trying to figure out which.

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sphery:

elg: you can initiate it by switching to LiveTV and changing the channel within 2 minutes (any LiveTV recordings less than 2 minutes long are expired immediately)

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sphery:

elg: note, also, that you must enable auto-expire on recording rules (to affect all recordings made from that rule) or "override" the recording auto-expire setting by allowing it on individual recordings

[20:03:21]

elg:

yes. i believe my recordings are set to autoexpire. things have expired in the past without issue

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sphery:

if you use the Deleted recording group, it will automatically enable auto-expire on any recordings you delete to the Deleted recgroup

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iamlindoro_:

You know what's sucky? Sneaking onto someone's laptop at lunch while they're out to copy their data because you know they're losing their job

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sphery:

I hope you're the sneak-e, not the sneaked

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iamlindoro_:

Sneak-e

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iamlindoro_:

Ugh, users list hits a new low

[20:07:12]

iamlindoro_:

"But when it comes to the next steps, I hit a brick wall: 1b. Compile and add the module to your kernel: cd v4l-dvb"

[20:07:19]

iamlindoro_:

"The command, "cd v41-dvb" is a mystery. Not "change directory" for sure."

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iamlindoro_:

"Shorthand for something else ... ?"

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

Also, he's typing v41 and not v4l

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elg:

sphery: thanks for your help. turns out the problem was it was autoexpiring stuff that wasn't there and so not freeing up as much space as it thought it was

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elg:

did the touch trick and now it is on track again

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s0mbra:

hi

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sphery:

elg: yeah, you don't want any files deleted through external programs as that can mess things up

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gbee:

what's the current state of mythfrontend on Windows? just what works and what doesn't?

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jams:

guess that means nobody uses it.

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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shadash:

I wish it worked if that means anything

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gbee:

just noticing some wiki edits to a new "playing recordings on Windows" page, but it makes no mention of running mythfrontend on Windows as a solution

[20:49:04]

gbee:

I've just removed a bunch of patch links from the Windows port page, all of them had been applied or were no longer relevant

[20:50:27]

gbee:

whole page is out of date really, still refers to QT3 etc

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shadash:

seems like some parts of the page should be more in a windows myth dev page

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Cyber-Dogg:

does anyone have any experience with the DCH3416?

[21:09:42]

Cyber-Dogg:

the motorola set top box

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sphery:

Finally... CONFIG_VIDEO_FIXED_MINOR_RANGES --maybe the kernel devs will actually get around to forcing users/distros to do things right.

[21:30:16]

jams:

what is the right way?

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hadeees:

anyone here streaming HDTV over wifi?

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justinh:

probably not

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sphery:

jams: using udev rather than specifying fixed dev numbers

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

hadeees: not me – using wired 100mbit or Gigabit (depending on which frontend...)

[21:44:30]

hadeees:

just trying to figure out how i can get rid of this blue wire going from my office to my living room

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** justinh suggests yellow **

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sphery:

hadeees: Did you watch last night's The Office (US)? Though that was a red wire, Dwight's approach would likely work for a blue wire, too.

[21:45:46]

iamlindoro_:

Like last night's "The Office"

[21:45:53]

iamlindoro_:

follow it up the phone pole!

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: jinx

[21:46:06]

jams:

sphery- oh yeah i agree

[21:46:42]

sphery:

jams: Yeah, they're not making you have to enable CONFIG_VIDEO_FIXED_MINOR_RANGES to allow the "old" way of doing things. First step toward forcing everyone to do it right.

[21:46:47]

justinh:

just ask your mrs if she wants to redecorate the lounge, to which she'll surely say YES, then set about digging the walls :D

[21:47:26]

justinh:

argghhh blender didn't get any easier to use since the last version I tried

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

hadeees: Wireless N would probably suffice... or the new'er' network-over-power adapters... (although I wonder how those do with X10 signals...)

[21:48:46]

jams:

sphery- just wish udev was a little bit easier then it currently is. I can see how it's daunting to new comers

[21:48:58]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: Whassamatta, you no like UI of buttonbuttonbuttonbuttonbuttonbuttonbuttonbuttonbuttonbuttonbuttonbuttonbuttonbu ttonbuttonbuttonbuttonbuttonbuttonbuttonbuttonbuttonbuttonbuttonbuttonbuttonbutt onbuttonbuttonbutton?

[21:49:12]

justinh:

lol

[21:49:59]

justinh:

they copied a few concepts from 3DS.. maybe not the best idea for ease of use

[21:50:21]

justinh:

still, mohammed has to go to the mountain as opposed to bringing the mountain to mo'

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sphery:

jams: Yeah, but if it's not easy to use, the distros will create tools on top of it that make it configuration easy for the users... Because they weren't forced to (since users could shortcut udev), they haven't done so, yet. :)

[21:51:35]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

jams: I didn't find it that bad once I dug into it a little deeper... just a single line for my LCD display and another line for my X-10 usb->serial adapter...

[21:51:55]

jams:

sphery- actually when I add cards with MV it also creates the udev rule .

[21:52:11]

sphery:

MV?

[21:52:37]

sphery:

MythVantage...

[21:53:04]

sphery:

if so, kudos

[21:54:20]

** sphery wonders if he should be recommending MythVantage in addition to or instead of MythBuntu/MythDora **

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jams:

sphery- naw i have no desire for that.

[21:54:37]

justinh:

man, I am SO gonna splat my new icons into wikimedia commons when I'm done

[21:54:46]

iamlindoro_:

we'll send all the support requests to #jams

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justinh:

nobody should have to endure the suck that lives on there

[21:54:51]

jams:

wait for knoppmyth ....

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sphery:

jams: so MV is primarily for yourself?

[21:56:32]

jams:

its out there for anybody to use, but i'm not interested in taking over the world or support for it.

[21:56:40]

sphery:

cool

[21:56:51]

sphery:

then I'll keep it on the down-low

[21:56:58]

jams:

a good chunk of it is going to km

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laga:

cool

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justinh:

last time I sampled MV it utterly astounded me

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sphery:

cool... Sounds like even MythBuntu and MythDora could learn from it

[21:57:26]

justinh:

sphery: oh yeah

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jams:

not all of it because of creative differences but enough of it.

[21:57:33]

laga:

send patches? :)

[21:57:50]

sphery:

laga: you sound like a Myth dev

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sphery:

:)

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** J-e-f-f-A|work had never heard of MythVantage until now... **

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iamlindoro_:

Ubuntu itself should be nicer about udev, something to dynamically create and remove rules would be nice

[21:58:22]

iamlindoro_:

But it's hardly a problem unique to Ubunti

[21:58:33]

iamlindoro_:

a bit of an embarassment, really

[21:59:11]

sphery:

yeah, udev has to become the only way to do things before tools will make udev easy

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jams:

anything i felt was useful to others has been posted as a patch or sitting in my download section.

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sphery:

copying 250GB laptop HDD via USB is slow

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iamlindoro_:

udev is really powerful but without udev-utils to go along with it I acknowledge it being a bit... ouch

[22:00:20]

sphery:

need a new kernel for my laptop, but don't really want to update all the others (but I like to keep them all identical)... Guess I have to do it.

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pike_:

so.. what does everyone use for listing info in the US these days for OTA stuff?

[22:13:38]

davez0r:

EIT works pretty well in my area

[22:13:51]

davez0r:

but i also use schedulesdirect.org

[22:14:47]

wagnerrp:

EIT in the US usually gives no more than a day of data

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wagnerrp:

you do not want to use both EIT and SD, since that will just screw up episode matching in the scheduler

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pike_:

i just finished a new myth machine for my sister. im really just getting started. everything works but program listings just curious

[22:15:52]

pike_:

well everythign works except i need to replace the 8mb vid card :)

[22:16:00]

davez0r:

wagnerrp, you use SD right? isn't it what most everyone uses?

[22:16:13]

wagnerrp:

i use SD

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wagnerrp:

if you have SD, you dont need and dont want the EIT data

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davez0r:

yeah, i actually just turned it on 'for-fun' the other day

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davez0r:

EIT that is

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pike_:

so for my hdhomerun setup then eit correct?

[22:17:11]

davez0r:

sounds like its not so much fun

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davez0r:

pike_: you can use EIT, but you'll only get a day or so of info over-the-air. and some broadcasters don't even do it

[22:18:28]

davez0r:

so some channels will just say Unknown

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davez0r:

SD (schedulesdirect.org) is really the way to go

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wagnerrp:

the bigger issue is that you dont want to mix and match listings sources on the same channel

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davez0r:

you make an account on there, choose what channels you want in your lineup

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wagnerrp:

by default, the scheduler makes matches based off subtitle and description

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davez0r:

point myth to it

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pike_:

ah i thought sd = standard def :) ok thanks

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wagnerrp:

if either are even different by capitolization, there will not be a match, and the scheduler will record a new copy of the show

[22:20:22]

wagnerrp:

pike_: SD can be schedules direct or standard definition in this channel

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wagnerrp:

it really depends on the current conversation

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davez0r:

speaking of sd.org i just renewed mine

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davez0r:

1 year of mythical bliss

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ddurham:

xris thanks for the new website :)

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ragemaxix:

<ragemaxix> i'm getting constant no tables messages scanning, both on my slave and my main backend

[22:25:12]

ragemaxix:

[17:24] <ragemaxix> i've never had this problem before but I just reinstalled

[22:25:14]

ragemaxix:

[17:24] <ragemaxix> cx88 cards

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xris:

ddurham: :)

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davez0r:

"no tables" when scanning for channels in mythtv-setup?

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davez0r:

^ ragemaxix

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ddurham:

I'm going to try to write a plugin for mythtv

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ddurham:

I don't have any experience writing c or c++ but many years programming

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laga:

what programming languages do you know?

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ddurham:

python, java

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ddurham:

groovy

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ddurham:

some perl, not much

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stuarta:

damn, he didn't decide to abuse me

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ddurham:

c++ is the best route to take for mythtv work, correct?

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stuarta:

only

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ddurham:

only route, ok

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stuarta:

well 98%

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ddurham:

looks like there are perl and python bindings

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Chutt:

they're not useful for plugins.

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stuarta:

yes, mainly as an interface for userjobs

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ddurham:

are there any guides to writing plugins or should I just look at some existing ones?

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stuarta:

i believe there is a "my first plugin" type thing in the wiki

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gbee:

which is unfortunately geared for qt3/libmyth instead of qt4/libmythui

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stuarta:

better than a slap on the head with a wet kipper

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gbee:

dry haddock?

[22:43:53]

stuarta:

mmm tasty

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stuarta:

!trout self

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** MythLogBot slaps self with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

[22:44:53]

JEDIDIAH__:

...after seeing a trout... it seems they are a little small for slapping people around.

[22:45:06]

JEDIDIAH__:

salmon would probably work better

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davez0r:

depends on the trout methinks

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stuarta:

have you every tried to lift a full size salmon

[22:45:35]

stuarta:

ever...

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wagnerrp:

ive seen 2ft trout in a hatchery before

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wagnerrp:

they get quite large

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JEDIDIAH__:

I guess the local grocer just doens't have very respectable trouts...

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stuarta:

entirely suitable for whacking ppl

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stuarta:

often the way these days sadly

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JEDIDIAH__:

...the store with the meagre trout is a dramatic step up from what passed for the neighborhood grocery before.

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JEDIDIAH__:

nevermind whole fish, you're taking your life into you hands by buying any of their meat/fish

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JEDIDIAH__:

what some people will tolerate boggles the mind sometimes...

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unimaginative:

okay, I'm still trying to debug mythbackend, but when i run the 'while' loop outlined in the mythtv docs, as soon as I close the terminal the script exits.

[22:51:53]

JEDIDIAH__:

anyone from schedules direct on?

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unimaginative:

while true; do date >> gdb.txt; gdb mythbackend -x gdbcommands; done;

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stuarta:

put nohup in front

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unimaginative:

stuarta: `nohup while true; blah ` ?

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** stuarta nods **

[22:53:04]

** ddurham starts reading through mythgame main.cpp **

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unimaginative:

mythtv@coldfire ~/gdb $ nohup while true; do date >> gdb.txt; gdb mythbackend -x gdbcommands; done;

[22:53:15]

unimaginative:

bash: syntax error near unexpected token `do'

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JEDIDIAH__:

be careful dd, you can go blind that way... '-)

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ddurham:

ha ha

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stuarta:

unimaginative: approach number 2

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stuarta:

install screen and run it under screen

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stuarta:

then detach the screen and reatttach later

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unimaginative:

stuarta: hmm, sounds good.

[22:54:45]

ddurham:

anyone here use eclipse to do c++ dev?

[22:55:05]

ddurham:

specifically for myth

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stuarta:

this execution path to the segfault doesn't make any sense...

[22:55:33]

justinh:

ddurham: use whatever you want

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meshe:

vim :)

[22:56:06]

justinh:

ENOJACKDANIELS

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meshe:

<--- not a mythdev

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justinh:

meshe: oh you laugh, but I do almost everything in a mere text editor. not vim though. had my fill of vi in a previous life

[22:56:53]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

ddurham: So far I just use 'kate' for editing – syntax coloring, etc...

[22:56:54]

ddurham:

I'm wondering because the first issue I've run into is that the built-in compilation doesn't recognize the myth *.h header includes

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justinh:

not that I do much these days

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meshe:

justinh: I'm writing a program right now in vim

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** J-e-f-f-A|work hasn't tried compiling anything outside of a simple 'make' in the svn directory... **

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justinh:

vim == marmite

[22:57:34]

JEDIDIAH__:

I've noticed that one of my OTA channels has an annoying habit of giving non-generic episodes of a particular show a generic description.

[22:57:48]

meshe:

i've just never done much c++ dev so not sure if vim fits well with it

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justinh:

ddurham: have you ever compiled myth before?

[22:58:00]

ddurham:

no

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ddurham:

it's just ./configure, make make install right?

[22:58:21]

JEDIDIAH__:

perhaps SD could normalize their data and avoid that problem by only linking to non-generic descriptions.

[22:58:28]

justinh:

basically

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** stuarta JD's justinh **

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justinh:

cheers!

[22:58:51]

JEDIDIAH__:

vim has less to do with the language you are using and your personal dementia.

[22:58:59]

** stuarta crack's open a guiness **

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justinh:

I think I might just go back to 2d icons

[22:59:22]

meshe:

if there was a good IDE for perl I'd use it

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: how about just inverted blocks of text? ;-)

[22:59:53]

justinh:

how about you.. nope. I'm more polite these days

[22:59:54]

meshe:

a) a good ide for perl and b) one that i could run remotely as I refuse to develop on my local machine

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justinh:

;)

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** J-e-f-f-A|work ponders an "ANSI TERMINAL" theme... ;-) NOT! **

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A|work: there'd always be some freak who'd like it

[23:00:41]

meshe:

have you seen the "Terminal" gmail theme?

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justinh:

gmail has themes now?

[23:00:56]

meshe:

yeah

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** JEDIDIAH__ still clings to his Atari ST fonts **

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kormoc:

meshe, jedit?

[23:01:17]

justinh:

neat, for those people who spend a lot of time looking at it :P

[23:01:30]

meshe:

kormoc: que?

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meshe:

kormoc: maybe, but it's in *cringe* java

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justinh:

gah! at this rate I'm gonna end up using a non-GPL program to do this stuff

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JEDIDIAH__:

drive out the infidel!

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justinh:

I could understand my frustration at blender if I was trying to make a 10 minute animated short with characters & all on my first day.. but hell

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meshe:

lol

[23:03:36]

meshe:

it's not that easy to use?

[23:03:50]

justinh:

hardest program I've ever used full stop

[23:04:13]

JEDIDIAH__:

...not exactly for the harry potter slash music video for publication on YouTube crowd.

[23:04:41]

meshe:

i've seen my husband messing around with blender while working on his machinima

[23:04:52]

laga:

i like blender. all my stuff came out "wrong" but i still like it

[23:05:17]

justinh:

starting to think there are 2 kinds of people. those who just 'get' it & those who don't

[23:05:26]

laga:

justinh: bullshit. try harder.

[23:05:36]

stuarta:

fight fight fight....

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justinh:

1. load model. 2. make camera spin around model. 3. render to a sequence of PNGs

[23:05:58]

meshe:

there are a lot of things i've thought that with but still mastered

[23:06:14]

justinh:

I keep coming back to it, that says someting

[23:06:31]

justinh:

then again, I keep going back to themes

[23:06:36]

justinh:

glutton for punishment

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meshe:

justinh: my husband learned it off of the tutorials he found

[23:07:47]

justinh:

yeah. I know those tutorials

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kormoc:

meshe, yeah, but it's fairly fast, well coded, and memory light, It's really not a bad IDE, although these days I'm using komodo edit (which is also free)

[23:08:21]

justinh:

the ones where they say 'click on the hoojimoflip icon next to the blahblah icon, which is 3rd from the left sprocket'

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meshe:

kormoc: yeah, i just heard about komodo edit the other night, thanks for reminding me, i want to check that out

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laga:

justinh: these tutorials are fun if your version of blender is german :)

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

I think the correct way to learn this is to start messing with it, without first having a job in mind

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meshe:

hehe, the download komodo edit link is broken

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JEDIDIAH__:

I can't imagine blender making any sense unless you've got a particular task in mind.

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justinh:

if anybody wants me, I'm RTFM'ing

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justinh:

" Why aren't my new recordings showing up in Watch Recordings?

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justinh:

hahaha. right click error

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laga:

justinh: mythtv records everything i watch

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laga:

help

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Gumby:

I'm looking at getting mythtv + vpdau going. I dont have a card yet but its been ordered and is in the mail. Can I start working on the project before I get the card? or is the card essential to start?

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justinh:

laga: send $100,000,000 to the developers to thank them for their genius & foresight

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laga:

thanks, will do

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danmal:

I've got mythtv working at the moment without a card

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danmal:

A tv card that is

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Gumby:

danmal: with vpdau ?

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stuarta:

Gumby: what do you think? vdpau is decoding done on graphics card?

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justinh:

hmm. blender manual seems to suggest a 3 button mouse is kinda essential for navigating around in 3d :-\

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danmal:

Ummm.. I don't believe so

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meshe:

hey, where's the phone numbers for the devs, there's a phone icon beside the "Contact MythTV Deveolopers" link on the new site and it just takes me to a contact form :)

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Gumby:

stuarta: I think its possible, Im just not sure yet

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justinh:

meshe: 0898 575757 is mine

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meshe:

heh

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stuarta:

no tv card yes, no supported nvidia card no

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Gumby:

stuarta: so its not even possible to start getting mythtv ready for the card?

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Gumby:

I know its not possible to actually use the feature without the card

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stuarta:

thats not what you asked

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stuarta:

< Gumby> I'm looking at getting mythtv + vpdau going.

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Gumby:

yes it is, read the reast

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Gumby:

rest

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stuarta:

you can get myth going without vdpau

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Gumby:

" Can I start working on the project before I get the card?"

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stuarta:

^

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kormoc:

Gumby, erm... What are you after? If you just want to compile -trunk, just install the nvidia drivers and compile away

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Gumby:

kormoc: I guess I am just confused as how vpdau works in regards to mythtv. I read that 0.22 has builtin vpdau support. Is this something that is enabled via mythtv-setup or is it something that as completely separate (other than the nvidia drivers)

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kormoc:

Gumby, it's just a display output style, like XvMC or XV or opengl

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Gumby:

I see. ok. I get it now

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sphery:

Gumby: however, having a (supported by the driver) nvidia card is a prerequisite for installing the nvidia proprietary drivers (installer won't work without it). Might be possible to get around it using some sort of distro package, though.

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Gumby:

sphery: I have a card supported by the latest drivers, however vpdau isnt supported for my card.

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Gumby:

7150

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NeoMatrixJR:

can anyone help me figure out why I can't see liveTV? console: http://rafb.net/p/QDJTw997.html

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sphery:

NeoMatrixJR: probably your broken audio configuration. Got Pulse? You shouldn't.

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NeoMatrixJR:

sphery: dunno...

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sphery:

You also need to configure Myth... "No theme dir" (fix that), "VideoOutputXv: Desired video renderer 'xvmc-blit' not available" ... "using 'xv-blit' instead" (broken playback profile--or, possibly--broken video driver install), "Mixer unable to find control PCM" (broken audio config)

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sphery:

Switch to the Slim playback profile group (default configuration of it), Change your Myth config to "Mixer controls: Master" (or, if you have neither Master nor PCM, create a softvol using the name Master).

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NeoMatrixJR:

sphery: re-loading themes now... I'll set it to slim as soon as I can load.

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andrewy:

i'm trying to setup myth with an hvr-1600, but after choosing 'mpeg-2 encoder card', video device is blank and probed info says "failed to open." does anyone know what could be causing this or how to fix it? i don't have a cable plugged into the card yet, but i doubt that matters

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Josh_Borke:

andrewy: does the user you're setting up with have access to the device? as in can you ls the device and you have permissoins on it?

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NeoMatrixJR:

sphery: I switched to a different theme, but I'm still getting the no theme dir error....

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andrewy:

Josh_Borke: i think so; i have access to /dev/v4l/video*, but is there any other device i need access to?

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Josh_Borke:

andrewy: if your's are /dev/v4l then I'm not sure what to do, my video devices are /dev/video*

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andrewy:

Josh_Borke: i have /dev/video* symlinks to the devices in /dev/v4l/

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Josh_Borke:

interesting, mine are the opposite direction

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iamlindoro:

"They're going to be removed into America, where they'll be given all the rights we have. I'm sure we can all agree that there's something wrong with that..."

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iamlindoro:

!trout humanity

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** MythLogBot slaps humanity with a trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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Josh_Borke:

andrewy: unfortunately i have no idea and can help no further :-(

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andrewy:

ok, thanks

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NeoMatrixJR:

sphery: HOLY CRAP YOU DID IT!!!! for the first time I have stable HDTV playback! still getting the theme dir error, but setting the slim profile and setting mixer to master fixed it...still needs tweaking now, but digital works!

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NeoMatrixJR:

sphery: it looks like it's because it's not trying to use xvmc anymore

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