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Tuesday, January 20th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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justinh:

and mr anon has a point. I thought I'd tested it. but if I fix it now, when I've said no more support...

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justinh:

could just pull the offending -ui.xml file

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directhex:

and so to bed

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thebishop:

I've got an old ATI TV Wonder PCI card. It is supported in linux, but Myth didn't detect it by default

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thebishop:

where should I configure this?

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iamlindoro:

justinh, I like "I don't know what the original author's intentions were" as an excuse for doing squat

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iamlindoro:

thebishop, Is this one of the ATI TV Wonder cards that is actually supported by v4l2, or no? (do you have a /dev/video#?

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iamlindoro:

Most (all?) of the ATI TV Wonders (minus the HDTV wonders) are supported by some non-v4l driver that won't work in Myth

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Dibblah:

justinh: Oooh! Coverflow! http://designzen.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/ish . . . and-concept/

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thebishop:

iamlindoro, i have video0

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Dibblah:

Now somehow, that managed to make coverflow more pointless than I thought it could be.

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kormoc:

does xawtv/tvtime work?

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thebishop:

Dibblah, can i get it for vinyl?

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iamlindoro:

Then I would imagine it should simply be set up as a v4l card type, assuming as kormoc has mentioned, you've made it work elsewhere

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iamlindoro:

<-- Has taken to calling it "Album Flow" in writing to avoid trouble :)

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iamlindoro:

At least when I was goofing with it in Myth I did: http://www.fecitfacta.com/before_qt.png

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justinh:

Dibblah: I was at least expecting a carousel type gizmo to make a whole CD collection silently swoosh around :P

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justinh:

and er.. cover flow.. isn't that what sanitary towels are designed to do?

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thebishop:

iamlindoro, yeah, tvtime is working

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iamlindoro:

thebishop, Then presumably it should work fine as a v4l card type in myth

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thebishop:

iamlindoro, but when i click "Watch TV" in Myth, the screen flickers once and i'm at the same menu

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justinh:

hmmm. fixed this. should I commit it on the basis I felt guilty for having overlooked it in testing?

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iamlindoro:

So read your logs

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kormoc:

justinh, do it for you, screw the anonymous guy, his attitude sucks monkey

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justinh:

yeah. my testing sucks. this will absolve me for overlooking it ;)

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phunyguy:

if there is on light coming from an optical output, that means it isn't working, right?

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kormoc:

who ever said the optical wavelengths were visible?

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phunyguy:

hush now.

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justinh:

heard it's allegedly 'blue monday' today.. or rather the day that left us quarter an hour ago... happiest I've felt in blimmin ages

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phunyguy:

wasnt sure if there was a little switch in there that flipped when you put a cable in

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justinh:

if this is the most depressing day of the year.. erm.. look out

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phunyguy:

i dont have a cable in and i refuse to buy one until i know the output will work – lol.

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meshe:

phunyguy: just buy a cheap one for $20

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phunyguy:

ack.

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kormoc:

if you don't want people to talk, stop asking questions

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phunyguy:

see?

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phunyguy:

*sigh*

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phunyguy:

so with your answer... is that a yes or a no?

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meshe:

i have no idea... Google might

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justinh:

such a pity those toslink connectors don't use a high-powered "L A Z E R"

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phunyguy:

well google didnt help witht he audio over DVI no did it

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phunyguy:

:P

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phunyguy:

i will say it again

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phunyguy:

i wasnt sure if there was a little switch inside that turned the lazer ON when you plugged a cable in.

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meshe:

phunyguy: sure it did :) I found at least one other person that had audio on a dvi to hdmi link

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phunyguy:

LASER*

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** iamlindoro contemplates correcting the notion that that light is a lser, thinks better of it **

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phunyguy:

i have never used optical

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justinh:

so umm.. anyway... artistic sensibilities aside for one moment, where's our theming team going to go next? :)

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phunyguy:

so i dont know these things, yes i understand light makes the signal.. but i wasn't sure if it was always lit with no cable in

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kormoc:

justinh, MaroonFog!

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Disneyland!

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meshe:

video backgrounds

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thebishop:

iamlindoro, what exactly am i looking for in the log? i see no errors "tuner not found" or something

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justinh:

thebishop: the trick is, you put the log into pastebin.ca via their file upload gadget, then WE look at the log

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thebishop:

justinh, mythfrontend.log?

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iamlindoro:

thebishop, I'm only popping in and out of the window, you can pastebin your backend logs and someone is sure to look at them with you

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justinh:

we, being the people in this channel who can help you since 'we' know what we're looking for

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justinh:

thebishop: backend log is usually much more pertinent, so backend log first

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thebishop:

ah, backend

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thebishop:

k

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justinh:

many a new user fails to see the importance of seemingly trivial warnings & errors ;)

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meshe:

damn, i really need to cron mythfilldatabase

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justinh:

also, many people fail to understand the plain english error messages mythtv spews out in times of crisis, but that's by the way

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m294:

Is there a firewire method to control the dvr? (not channel change but the 'dvr' button, pause, play, etc.)

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afm:

mythprime compiles and installs fine...though when i execute it's looking for a lib i dont think is even available for my distro (mythbuntu/debian) libraw1394.so.11

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justinh:

m294: possibly, but I've never seen one talked about here. or anywhere come to think of it

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m294:

rats.. my dvr is a little finicky when transferring files to the pc so i was hoping to automate the process with firewire cmmds

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meshe:

afm: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/libraw1394-dev

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afm:

i have it all installed...issue is something lingering...i initially tried using the v2.0 source...thought i cleaned it up, but apparently didnt

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meshe:

what is the error

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afm:

mythprime: error while loading shared libraries: libraw1394.so.11: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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meshe:

do a locate libraw1394

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afm:

i have the normal pkgs via apt-get install in the proper places...

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meshe:

ok :)

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afm:

the so.11 i only located in the source directory.....

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afm:

so not sure why it's looking for it instead of so.8 which is what apt installed

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meshe:

not guaranteed to work!!!: ln -s /folder/of/lib/libraw1394.so.8 /folder/of/lib/libraw1394.so.11

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wagnerrp:

because the package maintainers screwed up

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you can often link downwards without much issue, but not upwards

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wagnerrp:

upwards is a guaranteed fail

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meshe:

not necessarily

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wagnerrp:

well, presuming youre using some new functionality

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sid3windr:

meshe: I would rather recommend to copy the .so.11 to /folder/of/lib ;)

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thebishop:

justinh, i don't think the mythtv install setup to the myth database in mysql

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thebishop:

justinh, is there a script that does that?

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wagnerrp:

but theres a far better chance youre using something not included in an old library, than some function losing backwards compatibility

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sid3windr:

(as apparently the right file is included: < afm> the so.11 i only located in the source directory.....)

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kormoc:

thebishop, you should do it by hand, it's covered in the install guide

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meshe:

sid3windr: if he has the .so.11, yeah, that's the best bet

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meshe:

missed that

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sid3windr:

:)

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meshe:

good catch

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sid3windr:

otherwise a symlink is like a cointoss ;)

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sid3windr:

it works, or it segfaults

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sid3windr:

always worth a try though :)

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meshe:

yeah

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meshe:

it has worked for me in the past

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justinh:

better I don't send that email I have in my drafts folder to the -dev list I think

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** justinh wonders what Convergence Design, Inc. do **

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iamlindoro_:

put one thing together with another thing, and sell it!

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jpabq:

iamlindoro_: have you implemented the "Upcoming recording" screen yet?

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kormoc:

justinh, I work for 'Thought Convergence', figure that one out

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iamlindoro_:

jpabq, I have some work done, but it's not totally working yet

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jpabq:

I would love to try out your theme, when you get that far.

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justinh:

I used to ask for testers

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justinh:

no bug reports, but plenty of 'can you just change the layout a tad?'

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iamlindoro_:

jpabq, I'll let you know when I get to that point-- 3–4 more screens I want to clean up before I let anyone look at it

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jpabq:

Thanks.

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: how many lines of text have you set aside in pbb?

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justinh:

for the description I mean

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justinh:

I've got 5 or 6. need more

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iamlindoro_:

justinh, I haven't yet found anything from SD to fill it-- probably 8–10

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justinh:

heheh

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jpabq:

I have played with terra a bit, but I find it a bit claustrophobic. I would like it better if I could "zoom out" a bit.

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justinh:

forward planning!

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iamlindoro_:

jpabq, Well you'll be pleased to know that you can see 15 groups at once w/ Mine ;)

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iamlindoro_:

But not many episodes (4)

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justinh:

jpabq: one thing people designing UIs seem to forget (and XBMC skin folks I'm talking about you here) is that just because a screen is 1080p, doesn't mean your user can read 4pt high text

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kormoc:

if only I could read stuff that small... :P

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jpabq:

True. My screen is only 67", so you have me beat there.

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justinh:

if anything, to further increase mythtv's reach, if anybody was setting out to do that – we need BIGGER text in a lot of places

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iamlindoro_:

It's readable in my case, but we'll see, I'll be tweaking it for a while-- will also need to go back through on the 1080p screen and check for obnoxious text clipping issues

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jpabq:

In some places. In other places, I find the text to be too big.

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justinh:

this is the reason most consumer DVRs don't cram too much onto their screens

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iamlindoro_:

jpabq, Your display devices all 1080? Overscan?

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: overscan no matter no more for anybody. theme to the extremities & be damned if people CBA to work the appearance wiz

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jpabq:

1080p DLP. very slight overscan.

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iamlindoro_:

At the very least my theme will need the user to run the screen wizard to fit the whole thing if they can't eliminate it at the display device

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: mine too. now there's a turnup for the books innit

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iamlindoro_:

justinh, heheh

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jpabq:

That is fine, now. Before the screen wizard, I would have complained :-p

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iamlindoro_:

And I would have ignored ;)

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justinh:

jpabq: I'm right proud of that gadget wot I maded, despite it having really icky bugs only another ui rewrite will fix. gbee did a nice job porting it

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iamlindoro_:

jpabq, Actually, come to think of it, I can't share it until I have the ability to specify a directory as image source (which I am hoping will come soon)

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: bah, just run a script to copy random files into the background :P

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jpabq:

NP. just looking forward to it.

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iamlindoro_:

as the whole point of the theme is for the user to provide fanart and backdrops that they enjoy

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** kormoc waits for the flickr theme **

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iamlindoro_:

justinh, cat /dev/random > themdir/fanart.png?

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: and for the program to fetch appropriate backgrounds at the right time, I'm guessing

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kormoc:

Use random flickr pictures as your backdrops!

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justinh:

kormoc: I've got a mythgallery flickr gadget on my todo list somewhere

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iamlindoro_:

justinh, Well, that part can wait as I see dumping a few files in a few dirs to customize it as "OK" even though Myth providing them ultimately is the goal

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justinh:

aim for the sky & get on the pavement. aim for the rooftops & never leave the gutter. old wise man told me that

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justinh:

btw I considered patching the typo, but thought better of it incase I break mythtv for half the world

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justinh:

it'd have been funny to close that ticket with the typo fix though

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justinh:

whoah. theme painter no longer requires a restart? cool. also, size & theme changes etc work on the fly again. Niiiiice!

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justinh:

and loadondemand statetype. wicked

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justinh:

statetype/tag

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: btw.. #6143.. nice work

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iamlindoro_:

justinh, Thanks :)

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justinh:

I so need to get into code again. not just xml

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iamlindoro_:

I am trying to not be any more of a drain than I have to be, and implement as much of what I want as I can :)

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justinh:

need MOARLINEZMINE!

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iamlindoro_:

gbee has enough to do :)

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justinh:

he has more than enough to do

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** iamlindoro_ stares blankly at upcoming recordings **

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justinh:

I think for the way I want to go, I'm gonna have to do that calendar widget soon

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justinh:

thing is, I looked at a qt calendar tutorial & I couldn't figure out how it was placing the day names on the grid

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justinh:

maybe it wasn't..

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justinh:

maybe it was just 1=Mon, 2=Tues assumption

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, looked at the Qt BT example code and thought about how *easy* it would be for someone with half a brain to steal that code and make it a plugin in an afternoon

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iamlindoro_:

which only drives home the type of person asking for it as a plugin :)

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justinh:

we could all use a 'jump to day' gadget in mythtv I think

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justinh:

ties in with a 'mythreminder'/'mythcalendar' gadget

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purserj:

sigh many many themes in trunk

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justinh:

purserj: six in /themes alone

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iamlindoro_:

And all of 0 of them fully functional unto themselves with trunk

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justinh:

one day all the sucky/unloved ones will be gone. one sweet day

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iamlindoro_:

Day might be coming :)

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purserj:

haven't looked at trunk for a while, thought I would see what was happening while I'm at LCA

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justinh:

compared to xbmc, theming mythtv is a doozy

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justinh:

which is why xbmc had like 3 skins for so long, all my the same guy

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justinh:

s/my/by

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: you ever had a look at the skin xmls ?

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iamlindoro_:

justinh, nope... well, not more than in passing

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justinh:

they scared me, and I took on mytharchive

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iamlindoro_:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

wow, seperate tags for posx, posy, width, and height?

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iamlindoro_:

<area>0,0,1280,720</area> is much nicer :)

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justinh:

among other things

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justinh:

mediaportal is similarly hairy

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purserj:

themes and myththemes?

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justinh:

wonder how long it'll be before we see the first boxee skin rip-off

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justinh:

purserj: yup

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justinh:

/themes are the ones I did

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justinh:

anybody can pick up support for those. I ain't planning on it

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purserj:

right

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purserj:

so which is the "official" themes dir then?

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justinh:

/myththemes

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justinh:

and /mythtv/themes

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purserj:

cool

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iamlindoro:

Hmmm, starting to get the sense the twinview might be a teensy bit buggy

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iamlindoro:

Sweet jesus, Russia's a bad place to be a lawyer and or journalist these days

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** sphery wonders what the HP policy on "one always-on subpixel (blue) on a laptop screen" would be **

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purserj:

iamlindoro: has been for a while

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meshe:

sphery: most manufacturers require 8 or more dead/stuck pixels, but an extended warranty may cover less

[01:46:55]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Quick, kill some more pixels

[01:47:39]

sphery:

first time I've ever gotten an LCD with any bad pixels. :(

[01:48:09]

sphery:

maybe I can pry the transistor open with a screwdriver...

[01:48:28]

meshe:

heh

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justinh:

only time I've ever seen it is on a monitor at work – and even then a whole line of red just stuck on

[01:49:30]

sphery:

that would be far more annoying.

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clever:

i have 1 solid line of yellow

[01:50:07]

clever:

then a solid line of blue

[01:50:10]

clever:

and i think a 2 pixel wide red near that

[01:50:20]

clever:

with a few pixels of 'normal' between each

[01:50:21]

justinh:

clever> i have 1 solid line of yellow – no answer to that :P

[01:50:44]

clever:

its like the wire at the top of the screen for that color is broken

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sphery:

This is just one blue subpixel that's at full brightness near the Start menu. Of course, it won't be near the start menu after I wipe Vista off the system and install GNU/Linux + X + fluxbox. (And, then the laptop shouldn't be slow.)

[01:51:40]

clever:

next, the whole panel is covered in a fine red/green/blue dusting of snow, like 40% of the pixels are 10% on in random colors

[01:51:45]

clever:

only noticable on solid colors

[01:52:17]

clever:

and if the panel shifts, the reds and pinks tend to get the high order bits flickering, causing them to shimmer

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sphery:

It's sad that I was buying it and decided not to get the $50 upgrade from 1GB RAM to 2GB RAM (which would give me a free upgrade to 3GB RAM) since I could get 4GB from Crucial for $43, then I thought, "Wait a minute... 1GB is over overkill for it once I take Vista off." But, I still feel like I have a little "underpowered" laptop because of all these Vista-based RAM eaters out there.

[01:52:47]

clever:

but thats what i get for buying a 'broken' panel and letting it freeze in the winter attic for 2–3 years

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iamlindoro:

That's what you get for prioritizing buying useless crap over getting a job, stinky

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clever:

i didnt buy it for the panel

[01:54:31]

iamlindoro:

who cares?

[01:54:37]

clever:

i baught it for the hinge hardware that craped out on the 'working perfectly' panel

[01:54:42]

iamlindoro:

who cares?

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clever:

i raped it instantly and never tested the lcd because i never needed it at the time

[01:55:01]

iamlindoro:

who cares?

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clever:

i wasnt being cheap when i baught it:P

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iamlindoro:

who. cares?

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justinh:

and now.. sleepytime

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clever:

1 down, 1 to go!

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AlmightyOatmeal:

is there a reason why i can only encode RTjpeg and mp4 and not xvid?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

s/encode/transcode

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Anduin:

Yes

[02:18:46]

AlmightyOatmeal:

is it a good reason? :P

[02:18:49]

iamlindoro:

Yes

[02:19:15]

AlmightyOatmeal:

can someone please share that reason? :P~

[02:19:19]

sphery:

yep, there are actually 2 very good reasons...

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iamlindoro:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4_Part_2

[02:19:29]

iamlindoro:

Read the first paragraph

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Anduin:

Not as good, some day you may be able to choose

[02:20:06]

sphery:

1) you're using mythtranscode and 2) you're not using some other program (like nuvexport or ...)

[02:20:35]

AlmightyOatmeal:

so if i wanted it transcoded to xvid i would have to use ffmpeg or something like that?

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iamlindoro:

3) The MPEG-4 Myth records in is MPEG-4 ASP... of which xVid is an implementation

[02:20:51]

AlmightyOatmeal:

yeah, i read that :)

[02:20:57]

AlmightyOatmeal:

err

[02:21:02]

AlmightyOatmeal:

good nuff for me.

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sphery:

(that is after ignoring the point that iamlindoro brought up and assuming you mean, "Why can't I transcode to <insert CODEC name>?"

[02:21:36]

AlmightyOatmeal:

heh

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** iamlindoro advocates the "burn all the framegrabbers in a fire" over codec choice **

[02:22:13]

sphery:

I'll bring the matches. (Actually, I just bought this really nifty grill lighter thing, so I'll bring it.)

[02:22:26]

AlmightyOatmeal:

i've got a handfull of torches!

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iamlindoro:

neato

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AlmightyOatmeal:

don't ask

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sphery:

iamlindoro: the funny part is that the dev who had patches that allow CODEC choice is no longer interested in investing the time because the benefit is no longer worth the cost (time).

[02:23:58]

iamlindoro:

sphery, As much as it has a "wow, cool" factor, I agree with him

[02:23:58]

sphery:

he'll probably still do something, eventually, but he won't be excited to do it now :(

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I would however have some interest in container format choice coming out of lossless transcodes (or, I suppose, any transcode)

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sphery:

Yeah. Only reason he wanted it was because he had some mvpmc(sp?) or other thing that he was using to play back SDTV and it only worked with MPEG-2. Now, with the promise of VDPAU in things like ion, he'll probably throw away the not-a-real-frontend.

[02:25:28]

iamlindoro:

sphery, There would be a certain coolness to lossless transcode into Matroska and inserting the screenshot as the poster

[02:26:02]

sphery:

I haven't played with MKV, at all, but the idea of metadata in the video is cool.

[02:26:24]

iamlindoro:

which, amusingly, was one of the original reasons for choosing NUV, was it not?

[02:26:26]

sphery:

Then again, we could just do MPEG-7. ;)

[02:26:28]

iamlindoro:

la plus ca change...

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sphery:

I think NUV was for the built-in seek information.

[02:27:08]

sphery:

but I don't know for sure...

[02:27:22]

AlmightyOatmeal:

mpeg7?

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sphery:

(some people have told me that there are actually seektables in recordedseek for NUV's, so???)

[02:27:43]

iamlindoro:

a standard pertaining to metadata

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sphery:

I'm wondering if creating 3 recovery DVD's so I can repartition my laptop and install GNU/Linux is going to burn it out. 2 1/2 hours of constant HDD usage and I've finished writing 1 of 3 (it just started verifying it, though).

[02:31:20]

sphery:

all this so I can put it back to the way I got it for a recycling/buy-back program in 4 years.

[02:31:34]

AlmightyOatmeal:

burn what out? the laptop? hard drive? dvd burner?

[02:32:23]

sphery:

yep--I'm not used to letting my laptops do anything more than web/e-mail/xterms with vi and/or OpenSSH.

[02:32:37]

AlmightyOatmeal:

i've never had one burn out just by using it, heh

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AlmightyOatmeal:

3 dvds while constantly using your dvd burner may raise a question or two but i doubt it would

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sphery:

I burned out 3 heat pipes on my first laptop. My parents burned out the one on theirs (in 1 year and 3 days--3 days after the warranty expired).

[02:33:46]

AlmightyOatmeal:

you don't burn out heatpipes :P

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sphery:

"evaporate out"?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

you burn out cooling fans or fry your processor by having dirt in the cooling fins, but that has nothing to do with heatpipes

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wagnerrp:

AlmightyOatmeal: heatpipes are hollow, with ammonia as an internal working fluid

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sphery:

heatpipes try to trap a very small amount of liquid in a very low pressure environment... 2 things that nature doesn't allow

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AlmightyOatmeal:

wagnerrp: i know.

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wagnerrp:

if the ammonia escapes, he heatpipes are worthless

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i've never seen or heard of anything like that unless you drop your laptop repeatidly

[02:35:14]

sphery:

(some actually use water, instead)

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AlmightyOatmeal:

the likelyhood of that hapening is so slim i wouldn't bother mentioning it

[02:35:52]

AlmightyOatmeal:

if you think your laptop gets hot, obviously you've never owned a panasonic toughbook

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sphery:

I know of many a laptop that was used for gaming that have "achieved" non-functioning heatpipes.

[02:36:44]

purserj:

annnd we segfault on trunk

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AlmightyOatmeal:

but in your case the only thing i would be concerned about is the dvd burner, but i think you're safe

[02:36:58]

sphery:

Most people I know don't think a thing of it because they buy new laptops before there's an issue (or when the issues first start).

[02:37:25]

sphery:

AlmightyOatmeal: well, since this is likely the only time the DVD burner will ever be used, that's no problem. :)

[02:37:32]

AlmightyOatmeal:

hehe

[02:38:15]

AlmightyOatmeal:

my toughbook cf-48's exhaust is between 110 and 125 F when I'm compiling

[02:39:23]

AlmightyOatmeal:

gets a little warm on the shrubs

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sphery:

Wow... I haven't seen a real-live toughbook since 1997 or so, but I've always considered getting them so I didn't have to baby my laptop.

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AlmightyOatmeal:

normally i have ibm/lenovo thinkpads

[02:49:21]

AlmightyOatmeal:

but i got a toughbook cf-48, not the best thing in the world and not the cliche briefcase models

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wagnerrp:

my thinkpad has been running strong for going on 8 years now

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AlmightyOatmeal:

but it rocks with a 15 month old ;)

[02:49:51]

AlmightyOatmeal:

i still have a 50mhz thinkpad running os/2 warp 3 that still ticks

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sphery:

wagnerrp: impressive... I thought I was doing good to get 4 yrs from my just-replaced laptop.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i dont use it for much more than an X terminal

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sphery:

battery has less than 50% of its design capacity, now, so I'm assuming yours is not great

[02:50:51]

wagnerrp:

even firefox doesnt like running modern web pages

[02:51:12]

wagnerrp:

ive upgraded the battery (and the spare in the optical bay) several times

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wagnerrp:

s/upgraded/replaced/

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sphery:

iamlindoro: "IVTV Decoder picture overflow...." I know he's just doing what the message said, but can we also somehow throw all the PVR-350's on the frame grabber bonfire?

[02:52:19]

iamlindoro:

sure! Any capture device with a video out goes in

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iamlindoro:

not counting passthroughs

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wagnerrp:

sphery: im down to about 80% capacity on my primary, and 55% on my secondary

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wagnerrp:

all together, its good for about 5 hours if im not doing anything intensive

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wagnerrp:

just under 70Wh

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ah... I decided that since the battery was a significant portion of the cost of a new laptop, I'd just replace mine. (The GPU overheating occassionally was the final straw, though.)

[02:53:45]

sphery:

replace my laptop, that is

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wagnerrp:

well mine was $4K at purchase ($3.2K due to employee discount)

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i think i b0rked my transcode settings.. i got a .nuv instead of .mpeg :\

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wagnerrp:

so ~$100/yr on batteries wasnt too bad

[02:55:18]

wagnerrp:

AlmightyOatmeal: if you do anything except a lossless transcode, you get a nuv

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iamlindoro:

AlmightyOatmeal, Any transcode aside from lossless will result in an NUV w/ Mythtranscode

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AlmightyOatmeal:

strange

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i have 2 .mpg's and one .nuv

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AlmightyOatmeal:

can i change the transcode profile on a show that has already been recorded?

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Anduin:

Yes, try it

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wagnerrp:

yeah, just tell it to use transcode using a different profile

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AlmightyOatmeal:

oh, i should mention that i'm using the web ui and not in front of the box

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AlmightyOatmeal:

in the webui it doesn't look like there is a way :(

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wagnerrp:

there should be a link to expand the advanced settings

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AlmightyOatmeal:

not after it's already been recorded

[02:58:40]

AlmightyOatmeal:

there is no 'advanced' anywhere

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wagnerrp:

click on the recording to get the individual recording page

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i did

[02:59:19]

AlmightyOatmeal:

i can forget old, delete, delete + rerecord, flag commercials, and transcode

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sphery:

Ah, beautiful... -users questions on -dev mailing list.

[02:59:51]

wagnerrp:

on the right side, you should see schedule options, schedule override, and advanced options

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** iamlindoro goes looking **

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AlmightyOatmeal:

wagnerrp: no, this is already recorded, not a pending recording. you are thinking of the pending recording page

[03:00:53]

wagnerrp:

i have the page open for something i recorded early tonight

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sphery:

iamlindoro: "length mismatch between programinfo"

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wagnerrp:

im looking at it right now

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AlmightyOatmeal:

wagnerrp: same here.

[03:01:08]

AlmightyOatmeal:

did you want a screenshot?

[03:01:31]

wagnerrp:

sure

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sphery:

iamlindoro: hijacked the "should probably have been in -users, too" thread "vdpau on 8800 gts 640?"

[03:01:36]

AlmightyOatmeal:

2 sec

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iamlindoro:

Advanced will show up on upcoming and *in-progress* recordings... and then goes away

[03:01:49]

iamlindoro:

(unfortunately)

[03:01:54]

iamlindoro:

so you're both right

[03:02:17]

AlmightyOatmeal:

so like i said :P

[03:02:30]

iamlindoro:

And like he said :)

[03:02:48]

AlmightyOatmeal:

but i was talking about a FINISHED recording, not in-progress or scheduled

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iamlindoro:

Lord, do you need to argue about who is *more* right now? Is it that important to you?

[03:03:18]

iamlindoro:

let's more it along

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iamlindoro:

move

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AlmightyOatmeal:

no one is arguing over who is right or wrong except you :P

[03:03:47]

iamlindoro:

fairly certain that's what the last ten minutes was

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sphery:

well, all I an say is that I'm obviously not right (nor right-thinking)

[03:04:16]

iamlindoro:

sphery, You never are ;)

[03:04:28]

sphery:

I was told that on the -users list, so I know it's true.

[03:04:29]

iamlindoro:

right thinking, that is

[03:04:45]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I've noticed a sizeable uptick in YL traffic on dev and in tickets

[03:04:50]

iamlindoro:

and yet still not a patch to be found

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afm:

anyone have the C patch/code for 4 digit 6200ch.c ?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I like that his superbowl party depends on his running trunk, YOU GOTTA HELP!

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sphery:

he's written a hack patch or 2 (like change one word or something), but nothing too, er, helpfu^H^H^H^H^H^Hwonderful

[03:09:25]

sphery:

iamlindoro: heh, didn't read that far in there.

[03:09:59]

iamlindoro:

sphery, He has to have commented on a dozen patches this month

[03:11:08]

sphery:

yeah... I noticed at least one was completely irrelevant, too (i.e. backend doesn't report disk usage properly when one backend is disconnected and he reported "it works on my system" either with one backend or with all backends connected).

[03:11:24]

sphery:

But, I couldn't say anything because that would be just plain mean.

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iamlindoro:

And left-thinking

[03:12:06]

sphery:

that too

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iamlindoro:

Gah, I feel like I've been hallucinating

[03:12:58]

iamlindoro:

I *know* markk made a commit referencing VDPAU colorkey in the past few days and I can't find the commit message

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iamlindoro:

Can't remember the export needed... VDPAU_COLORKEY?

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kormoc:

you know, every time I see one of those "This email is confidential" signatures, I'm always tempted to post it publicly

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iamlindoro:

19638, that was it

[03:17:24]

sandeen:

grr, new combined front/backend, after a a bit of hdtv video playback, it freezes, I get "NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers." and the a while later it starts up again

[03:17:37]

sandeen:

no kernel messages, nothing else interesting in teh logs

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** sandeen thinks he's cursed **

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: USE_VDPAU_COLORKEY or did the ticket mention it?

[03:18:05]

iamlindoro:

Anduin, Yeah, knew it was in the commit message, and that was exactly it, thanks

[03:18:07]

AlmightyOatmeal:

if mythtv is currently recording, does that put a hold on transcoding queues?

[03:18:45]

Anduin:

AlmightyOatmeal: No, recording isn't a job

[03:19:09]

AlmightyOatmeal:

well thats odd then

[03:19:21]

sphery:

sandeen: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Prebuffering_pause as a start (feel free to add to it if you find a situation/solution that's not there)

[03:19:43]

AlmightyOatmeal:

i have a transcode job queued in mythtv and its been 5 minutes and nothing is happening.. previously transcoding happened nearly immediatly :(

[03:20:00]

sandeen:

sphery, will take a look ....

[03:20:26]

sandeen:

unfortunately my error message isn't even there yet :)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: So, while making myself a salad, I couldn't stop thinking about what you said about the <large bowl whose name I'm not licensed to say> party, and started to wonder what would possess a person to upgrade from a stable -fixes MythTV system to trunk (and try to use unsupported features such as VDPAU) less than 2 weeks before the big game... I'm drawing a blank.

[03:22:12]

sphery:

sandeen: do you also have Prebuffering pause messages?

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sandeen:

sphery, plus this goes on for literally like 60s then starts up again. so that seems like it kinda rules out a lot of the obvious things

[03:22:17]

sandeen:

sphery, no

[03:22:31]

sandeen:

just "NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers." over and over

[03:22:34]

iamlindoro:

sphery, VDPAU isn't in -fixes, dumbass! ;)

[03:22:45]

sandeen:

I have -v important running on both front and back

[03:22:50]

sandeen:

could do "all" I guess

[03:22:54]

sphery:

sandeen: then it may just be video driver/playback profile problems.

[03:23:10]

sandeen:

it's a pretty snazzy box overall, dual 2.6ghzamd etc so I don't thik it's a generic resource problem

[03:23:14]

sandeen:

I'm on cpu++ FWIW

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sphery:

sandeen: should run without any -v (which is equivalent to -v important,general (you're actually getting fewer messages because you said don't show me general)

[03:23:32]

sandeen:

oh, hehe, ok

[03:23:34]

sphery:

sandeen: use Slim

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iamlindoro:

Slim is almost invariably the correct profile for most people

[03:23:40]

iamlindoro:

ugh, too slow

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sandeen:

oh, hm, ok

[03:23:49]

sphery:

iamlindoro: too verbose ;)

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** sandeen checks to see what that entails **

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sphery:

sandeen: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles

[03:24:02]

sandeen:

then why is cpu+ the default? :)

[03:24:21]

iamlindoro:

It entails 17 arrow presses, and 13 presses of the enter key

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sphery:

sandeen: silly you, Normal is the default, but due to a bug CPU+ or CPU++ gets put into the DB

[03:24:30]

sandeen:

iamlindoro, I meant, what it uses for playback :)

[03:24:38]

sphery:

but, Slim is almost always right

[03:24:39]

sandeen:

sphery, oh :) silly me

[03:24:59]

iamlindoro:

ffmpeg, xvideo, linear and kernel deint I believe

[03:25:08]

sphery:

Slim = almost exactly the same as mythtv 0.20-fixes software decoding

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sphery:

everything else has options that you should /only/ play with once you get Slim working

[03:25:31]

AlmightyOatmeal:

does mythtv take advantage of smp? if so, is there anything i need to do after i upgrade from a single core to dual core processor?

[03:25:56]

sphery:

AlmightyOatmeal: mythtv is heavily threaded

[03:26:01]

** sandeen tries slim, full of hope **

[03:26:05]

sphery:

(how's that for leaving out the whole story :)

[03:26:13]

iamlindoro:

Myth is full of threads. Mostly cotton

[03:26:21]

AlmightyOatmeal:

lol, touche :)

[03:27:07]

sandeen:

sphery, iamlindoro thank you for taking pity on my situation ;)

[03:27:56]

sandeen:

doh, hung up the same way

[03:28:24]

sandeen:

FWIW, this is preceeded, though not immediately, by "AO: dropping back audio_buffer_unused"

[03:28:33]

** sandeen restarts again w/o the -v's **

[03:29:28]

sphery:

AlmightyOatmeal: As far as enabling SMP, if you're running any kind of sane distribution of GNU/Linux, it should "just work." MythTV is heavily threaded, so can accomplish different things at the same time using different processors. However, decoding is basically single-threaded now. In the future, more decoding should become multi-threaded, but that's dependent on ffmpeg's getting good multi-threaded decoding (Myth just ...

[03:29:35]

sphery:

... uses ffmpeg's lib code for decoding).

[03:29:46]

sphery:

sandeen: if Slim does the same, it's most likely video driver issues

[03:29:58]

sphery:

i.e. improperly installed/configured video drivers

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sandeen:

sphery, what's kind of weird is that I did a sort of test/throwaway install last week on an old hard drive. It worked fine, using this as the frontend to play content from another backend. This is the official/careful install, and now these problems show up

[03:31:00]

sandeen:

FWIW I copied the xorg.conf over....

[03:31:06]

sphery:

sandeen: BTW, you're not using the "don't ever use this setting", "Use video as timebase", are you?

[03:31:21]

sandeen:

heh, I can check. is that a frontend or backend setting?

[03:31:25]

sandeen:

I don't think I am

[03:31:25]

sphery:

it's in TV Playback settings in mythfrontend

[03:31:27]

sandeen:

thx

[03:31:56]

sandeen:

nope

[03:32:12]

sphery:

what driver/video card?

[03:32:31]

sandeen:

it's a motherboard chipset, geforce 8300

[03:32:40]

sandeen:

F10 distribution, mythtv 0.21-fixes from rpmfusion

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sandeen:

nvidia driver also from there, 173xxx

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sphery:

nvidia proprietary drivers?

[03:32:55]

sandeen:

yep

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** sandeen considers nuking the database and trying a fresh start, though I didn't really change much ... **

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sphery:

I have a guess--that the nvidia driver install is b0rked--but in pursuing it, you're likely to completely break the system installation so I won't mention it

[03:34:06]

sphery:

oops

[03:34:22]

sandeen:

sphery, well, go ahead & shoot, I'm brave and not too stupid ;)

[03:34:39]

sphery:

Basically, I'm thinking the driver isn't fully/properly installed.

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sphery:

Your best bet is to talk to F10 users and see what they've done to get their nvidia drivers installed.

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sandeen:

yeah, I'll ping j-rod perhaps. weird thing is it was fine on my throwaway/test intall

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sandeen:

or maybe I'll point this at the other backend and just see if that happens to make a difference

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sphery:

sandeen: it's also possible that you have sound issues (doesn't F10 use Pulse by default--if so, you'll likely have to get rid of it). Again, though, talk to F10 users to see what they did.

[03:35:46]

defaultro:

good evening folks, what are those dtv 2009 coupons for? Why is there a need for coupons/

[03:36:12]

wagnerrp:

the coupon is for $40 off an ATSC converter box

[03:36:13]

sphery:

sandeen: and/or try out MythDora (which someone(s) has taken time to configure for Myth :)

[03:36:22]

defaultro:

oh

[03:36:28]

wagnerrp:

functions as a standard definition ATSC tuner for old TVs that dont have one internally

[03:36:31]

sandeen:

sphery, yeah, I'm *supposed* to be a power user, but well, maybe not in this case :D

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iamlindoro:

They're for digital to analog converters for people with analog televisions. The coupons are there to subsidize people being forced to make the transition

[03:36:44]

defaultro:

would that mean that I can get the converter box at Tiger Direct for free if I use that coupon?

[03:36:51]

wagnerrp:

doubtful

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wagnerrp:

there are only a handful of authorized retailers

[03:37:00]

iamlindoro:

The coupons are more or less useless in the context of myth unless you have an analog-only tuner card that you want to user with antenna

[03:37:02]

defaultro:

oh so only select stores?

[03:37:08]

sandeen:

defaultro, there is a box from dishtv for $40 + shipping if you really need one

[03:37:10]

wagnerrp:

that is correct

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defaultro:

k

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iamlindoro:

But you can't use them on Tuner cards and the only do anything for you if you're using antenna

[03:37:49]

defaultro:

or I guess, we should just upgrade our crt tv like to a 33" vizio

[03:37:56]

defaultro:

k

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wagnerrp:

you dont use mythtv?

[03:38:15]

defaultro:

I do

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sandeen:

heh, converter + analog card probably costs more than a decent hdtv card :)

[03:38:21]

defaultro:

but it's only in the basement

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defaultro:

yeah, sandeen, that's what I thought too

[03:38:43]

wagnerrp:

make a frontend

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defaultro:

yeah, that's what I should do then

[03:38:53]

sandeen:

get an hvr-1250 or so for $50 and be happy :)

[03:39:00]

defaultro:

k

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sphery:

I am completely hating a particular OEM for not giving me restore DVD's. 3 1/2 hours later, I have 1 DVD and 1 coaster of 3 DVD's burned...

[03:39:15]

wagnerrp:

anyone with a geek card should have enough spare parts laying around to make something that can run HD mpeg2

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defaultro:

i'm thinking of shutting my comcast but I don't know how to replace the Cartoon Network for my 2 small kids

[03:39:52]

defaultro:

shutting down

[03:40:08]

defaultro:

I did use antenna before 3 years ago and I love it

[03:40:19]

wagnerrp:

yeah, recent saturday morning cartoons suck

[03:40:27]

sandeen:

we used to get a pbs kids station

[03:40:36]

sandeen:

was more than enough to keep my kids occupied :)

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defaultro:

we still have pbs

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sphery:

My local PBS station is sending out 5 subchannels--one of which is WMFE Kids

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sandeen:

we have pbs too but not an all-kids station (but, it was some sub-channel thing so now the quality is better at least)

[03:41:10]

sphery:

cartoons, etc, all day long

[03:41:20]

defaultro:

I'll have to write down what shows they watch

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sandeen:

that was some damed blocky mr. rogers we got :)

[03:41:29]

sandeen:

damned.

[03:41:38]

defaultro:

and the other 2, they like zack and cody

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thebishop:

does grabbing using directv.com still work?

[03:42:25]

wagnerrp:

grabbing... what?

[03:42:30]

defaultro:

are there any nice internet based tv that we can pay at a really low price per month?

[03:42:31]

thebishop:

wagnerrp, xmltv

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** sandeen takes the windows approach and reinstalls the mythbox **

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wagnerrp:

thebishop: easier to just cough up the $20/year for schedules direct

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defaultro:

brb folks, thanks

[03:43:54]

thebishop:

wagnerrp, i'll do that if my wife decides she can live with myth via OTA. this is a trial run

[03:44:13]

sphery:

thebishop: SD gives a 7-day free trial

[03:44:35]

wagnerrp:

thebishop: SD should have lineups for directtv

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sphery:

(with 7 days of data, but if you sign up, you'll get 14 days of data)

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kormoc:

it's about 21 days of data, 7 days and on the 7th day, you get 14 days

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sphery:

kormoc: 14 days of listings info, 7 days of data throughout the trial, so on the 7th day, you get data through the 14th

[03:46:26]

sphery:

but, yeah, what I said first was completely misleading

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** kormoc ponders **

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kormoc:

if you start on the first, you'll stop getting data on the 7th, but you'll have data to the 21st, no?, 7+14 = 21?

[03:47:39]

kormoc:

or are you saying the trial only gives 1 week of data at a time rather then two?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: i thought they only gave you data for 7 days

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sphery:

kormoc: http://www.schedulesdirect.org/membershiplevels

[03:47:45]

kormoc:

ahh, perhaps

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wagnerrp:

so on the 7th day, you had no remaining data

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kormoc:

it's been a /long/ time sense I've looked at it...

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sphery:

kormoc: nvm, that didn't say it... (read first, then paste, stupid sphery...)

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sandeen:

on the 7th day, SD rested.

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sphery:

kormoc: I give up... I think I had previously found a page that said that during the trial you get 7 days of data at a time, but I can't find it now.

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sphery:

so, who knows, maybe it's 14 days.

[03:53:19]

sphery:

thebishop: but, anyway, there's a 7 day free trial or if you want to test Myth longer, you can sign up for a $5 subscription for 3 months of use.

[03:54:41]

thebishop:

ok thanks

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sphery:

Hmmm... SD's "Contact Us" page doesn't like the user agent strings for the "I don't agree to your stupid licensing terms for the trademarked Firefox name, Mozilla Foundation" alternate browser names (Bon Echo, Deer Park, Minefield, ...).

[03:55:33]

AlmightyOatmeal:

does mpeg4 takes 4x longer to transcode than RTjpeg, or is it just me?

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sphery:

AlmightyOatmeal: that sounds about right

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wagnerrp:

sounds reasonable

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AlmightyOatmeal:

ah cheers

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iamlindoro:

I don't love animation, but that's sexy

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AlmightyOatmeal:

oh noes!

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AlmightyOatmeal:

mythtv didn't remove all the commercials from the latest ep of house *cries*

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wagnerrp:

commflagging has never been perfect

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AlmightyOatmeal:

no doubt

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wagnerrp:

ugh... my clock was off by an hour

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wagnerrp:

meaning all my recordings were off by an hour...

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tank-man:

not syncing your time online?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

if commercials have been flagged, do they need to be re-encoded for them to be removed from the original mpeg2 capture?

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tank-man:

yea but if they are mpeg2, it is fast

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sphery:

Flagging simply sets a flag list, you can create a cut list (hit e while playing back the recording) and marks portions to always be skipped when playing back through Myth. You can also import the flag list as the start of your cut list (hit z while editing the cut list). But, until you transcode (or re-encode), you're not touching the actual recording file.

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i like the pure mpeg2 stream, is there something specific i should set to acomplish this, or..?

[05:05:40]

sphery:

lossless transcode

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AlmightyOatmeal:

ty

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clever:

anybody here know about how to recovered slightly damaged PATA drives?

[05:17:03]

wagnerrp:

slightly damaged?

[05:17:08]

clever:

i connected the ribbon 1 pin to the side by mistake

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clever:

now when i apply power, it just keeps spinning up over and over

[05:18:01]

wagnerrp:

still not understanding what you did

[05:18:25]

clever:

picture the 20x2 pins for the PATA plug

[05:18:40]

clever:

now put the connector on so theres 2 pins on the side that arent going into the plug

[05:18:58]

wagnerrp:

that shouldnt be possible

[05:19:07]

clever:

it shouldnt, but i did it somehow:P

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** cesman wonders how one manages that... **

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wagnerrp:

its pinned, keyed, and the connector on the drive usually prevents that

[05:19:27]

clever:

the keyed hole in the 'ribbon' got punctured

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kormoc:

it used to be non-keyed and non-pinned back in the 40 pin/40 line days

[05:19:48]

clever:

and theres no other key on the 'ribbon' end

[05:20:17]

clever:

im not shure if its the usb enclosure or hdd thats damaged

[05:20:19]

wagnerrp:

what are you talking about ribbon

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wagnerrp:

you mean you actually have one of those cable with the place-your-own connectors?

[05:20:32]

clever:

the 'ribbon' end plug on the usb enclosure

[05:20:49]

clever:

its soldered directly to the enclosure PCB and has no actual ribbon

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wagnerrp:

well, my controller swap worked well for me last week

[05:22:08]

clever:

i tried swaping the hdd to internal, on the PATA bus of my sata controler

[05:22:18]

clever:

but linux just kept trying to reset the drive like it does with my failing drives

[05:22:30]

clever:

so i put it back on the usb enclosure, but had it 1 collumn off

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wagnerrp:

'controller' being the circuit board on the bottom of the drive

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

by controler, i meant the pci card with sata,pata,usb

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wagnerrp:

did you physically damage the enclosure? or the drive itself?

[05:23:23]

clever:

i may have damaged one of them

[05:23:34]

clever:

but the drive doesnt fully spin up anymore when i use it in the enclosure

[05:26:19]

clever:

the pata 'host' on my motherboard(and bios) cant handle any drive over ~30gig

[05:26:33]

clever:

so i tried using the 80gig with the pata 'host' on the new pci board

[05:27:00]

clever:

which gave me 3 pata 'hosts' in the system:D

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clever:

just had an idea

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clever:

power the drive up without connecting the PATA interface

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clever:

if its ok, it should just spin up normaly

[05:30:08]

clever:

shit

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clever:

wagnerrp: the drive wont spin up with power only

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clever:

either the drive is toast, or the PSU in the enclosure is toast

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clever_:

wagnerrp: found 3 things out at once

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clever_:

1, the PSU in the router sucks

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clever_:

2, the hdd spins up normaly when on a normal comp PSU

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clever_:

3, the enclosure PSU must be failing

[05:40:01]

clever_:

so i can recover the data, aslong as i undo the skull caving in damage i did to lvm

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clever_:

wagnerrp: no comment?

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wagnerrp:

never used lvm

[05:47:15]

clever_:

the lvm part i can manage myself

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wagnerrp:

and usually when a drive fails to spin up, i toss it

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clever_:

in this case, it seemed like the PSU in the enclosure couldnt provide enough current

[05:47:43]

clever_:

when i put it on a real computer psu, it spun up normaly

[05:47:50]

clever_:

after causing a brownout that reset the system....

[05:48:25]

clever_:

and thats the 2nd time ive caused a brownout in the router by trying to leech from its 12v line

[05:48:31]

wagnerrp:

im surprised the PSU didnt just shut down

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wagnerrp:

detect the new drive/load as a short

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clever_:

its one of those old psu's that cant shut itself on or off

[05:49:00]

clever_:

solid mechanical switch on the front

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wagnerrp:

meaning it probably barely has enough power to run the system and drives

[05:49:40]

wagnerrp:

meaning you actually did have a brown out

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clever_:

adding a LCD panel or a 80gig drive is enough to make it keel over

[05:49:43]

wagnerrp:

fun!

[05:50:37]

clever_:

for some reason, after browning out

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quadtree:

glory,glory,glory! Finally got my 4250HDC STB working with linux and myth..video and channel changing.

[05:50:49]

clever_:

it had enough power to spin up all the drives and start booting

[05:51:05]

clever_:

maybe it was just the initial surge charging the new caps or something

[05:51:28]

purserj:

quick question, is it possible to poll the internal player for a list of supported codecs?

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wagnerrp:

purserj: it should play nearly anything you throw at it

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wagnerrp:

anything mplayer can play anyway

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clever_:

but thats the last time i try to leech the router:P

[05:52:48]

wagnerrp:

they both use the same decoding library (ffmpeg)

[05:53:02]

clever_:

anything 'ffplay' can handle would probly also work

[05:53:09]

wagnerrp:

twelve minutes to kill off the ghost...

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clever_:

wagnerrp: i didnt bother trying to kill it manualy

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wagnerrp:

im just saying IRC has an incredibly long timeout

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

that too

[05:54:02]

clever:

so what url is the log bot at?

[05:54:06]

** clever prods MythLogBot **

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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clever:

*wonders what he missed durring brownout*

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wagnerrp:

nada

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clever:

that url doesnt even go back that far:P

[05:55:31]

wagnerrp:

link at the top, daily chat history

[05:55:37]

clever:

allready hit it

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clever:

yeah all i missed was a join :P

[05:58:04]

clever:

i was going to use the redhat PSU, but i couldnt see any free molex connectors to steal

[05:58:05]

clever:

damnit, dsl is still crapping out

[05:58:05]

clever:

but this time, i got telnet to it working durring a crash

[05:58:05]

clever:

the LOS's and ES's went up by 1 each

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clever:

doesnt make any sense, but its still better then 'it randomly dies' :P

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, and you are evil, baiting me into joining -users with "One of the devs (who can speak up if he desires)" :P

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Chicago:

ooh, the mythtv.org homepage looks pretty. When did it get a new skin?

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wagnerrp:

few days ago

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MilkBoy:

jan 16 according to the front page =)

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sulx:

hmm anyone faced problem that xorg detects too much memory

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sulx:

I have 8400GS 256mb but xorg says -> Memory: 524288 kBytes

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sulx:

and not sharing system memory

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directhex:

sulx, you're certain it's not sharing system memory? most low-end cards do ("turbocache")

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wagnerrp:

the cards that do turbocache are usually 32MB or 64MB cards

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sulx:

directhex: shouldn't it be in specs?

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kormoc:

sadly it's not always

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directhex:

wagnerrp, hm, i think it was 128 and 256 meg cards

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directhex:

yeah, 8400gs is 256 "supporting 512"

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sulx:

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=2&l2 . . . ;modelmenu=1 this card

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justinh:

hmmm. based on some user experiences, should I make the 'transcoding' icon animation get smaller or bigger? :P

[08:48:43]

sulx:

directhex: you are right...it could be turbofucked...

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justinh:

sulx: language

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directhex:

sulx, benchmarks show turbocache has a beneficial effect on performance

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sulx:

typo ;)

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directhex:

it just *feels* evil

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justinh:

sometimes I wish I still had ops here. was silly to give em up

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sulx:

i'm concerned about vdpau performance with it

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kormoc:

justinh, you could likely get them back

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directhex:

it explains why i seem to have less ram than i should on this box...

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kormoc:

sulx, it's not like you'll ever use more then the 256 onboard with VDPAU....

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wagnerrp:

i thought the 256MB cards had trouble running VDPAU in mythtv

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justinh:

I thought there were 'issues' with only 256MB.. or are those being improved?

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sulx:

wagnerrp: at least I have...

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kormoc:

Option "RegistryDwords" "RMDisableRenderToSysmem=1"

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kormoc:

in your device section

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sulx:

default trunk set does not play well with vdpau

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sphery:

hmmm... the unstable MythTV branch doesn't play well with the experimental support for an alpha feature of the drivers?

[08:52:03]

sulx:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6130 using this patch and it helps a bit but still random "no video, just audio"

[08:52:10]

sulx:

and occassionally disables deinterlacing

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kormoc:

sphery, we should add compile errors weekly to keep it developer only ;)

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sphery:

agreed

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wagnerrp:

well then -dev and -users would just get flooded with complaints about it not working

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you're right... It /wouldn't/ change anything. :)

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sulx:

so i'm not allowed to test and study?

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wagnerrp:

and the same people who you told 'if you cant run a configure script, you cant run trunk' and just going to call you a jackass again

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vegbox:

hi

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kormoc:

sulx, noone said you couldn't, just shouldn't be surprised when it doesn't work

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sulx:

did I say that I am?

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** kormoc shrugs **

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sphery:

sulx: ignore what I said, it was just an observation, not a judgement

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vegbox:

I am using mythtvs watch video to store my movie files, but i have some movies that are 2cds with individual sub title files, what is the best way to combine these files in to one file?

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directhex:

vegbox, you can configure "file to play after this one" in mythvideo, on a per-file basis

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sphery:

vegbox: in MythVideo you can mark a file to not be browsable, and you can use what directhex said

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sphery:

so 1st has play after, 2nd is not browsable

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vegbox:

cool

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vegbox:

thnks

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wagnerrp:

i believe avidemux can splice together avi files

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wagnerrp:

although i dont know what you would use to manage the subtitles

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vegbox:

yeah the sub part

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vegbox:

i dont know

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vegbox:

usually i just cat the avis, and run it through mencoder

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justinh:

oh funny. the gtk 'cut' icon doesn't actually work as a pair of scissors when you try to animate it

[09:30:46]

justinh:

the handle parts are at the wrong angle

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Dibblah:

Oh, no. It looks like Avilipsha has been fired and replaced with Shiva. Joy.

[09:33:21]

sphery:

heh

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Dibblah:

And Udo has gone strangely quiet.

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Dibblah:

His comment on the patch was amusing. "It looks EIT-centered"...

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Dibblah:

Uhuh. Sure it does.

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sphery:

which patch?

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sphery:

or ticket?

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Dibblah:

The PSIP parser leak.

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Dibblah:

Err... No, not quite.

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sphery:

well, at least he's being very helpful

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Dibblah:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5545

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Dibblah:

Nope.

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Dibblah:

95% of the work was done by someone else.

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Dibblah:

ie AntiCat / janne.

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Dibblah:

Udo was just being passive agressive on the users ML.

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justinh:

nah. udo was helping to fix the problem by his unique management style

[09:40:06]

Zanthus:

by default where (what directory) does mythtv save scheduled recordings?

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Dibblah:

Zanthus: The directory you selected when you ran mythtv-setup.

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justinh:

Zanthus: in your default storage group – you know – the one you defined when you first ran mythtv-setup !

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Zanthus:

ah, cool, thanks :)

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justinh:

whoah. this machine has a weird posterisation video effect going on. that's not supposed to happen

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justinh:

ooo. and it's zooming into camera images at random all by itself

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justinh:

I think the software might be broken

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sphery:

Dibblah: yeah, the "helpful" comment was sarcastic

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justinh:

ahh these flashing colours remind me of the ZX Spectrum

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justinh:

pity it's 2009, and the hardware being used is supposed to be a state of the art cctv dvr

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Dibblah:

Maybe it's just displaying the loading data from the serial eeprom, so you can see it's working? ;)

[10:09:52]

justinh:

hahaha

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justinh:

thing is when stuff like this happens we never know if the problem is hardware or software. damn boards can't even be tested in production, and we never know what state the software we're given is in

[10:12:01]

justinh:

ouch. hardware. putting a new codec card in made everything nice

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justinh:

sod all I can do on these boards either – they're mostly BGA devices

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Zanthus:

do I have to have all my videos in the root of the videos directory for mythtv to pick them up when it does a scan? I've got them all neatly put away in different directories under the root directory with no actual video files in the root of the video directory

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justinh:

it's prolly memory related. bits missing/stuck on the video data bus :-\

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laga:

shiva kumar is at it again

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justinh:

Zanthus: it should scan subdirs too

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Zanthus:

it doesn't seem to be; maybe I missed something

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Zanthus:

I'll recheck it

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Zanthus:

okay, got it

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Zanthus:

in the video manager is it possible to do a metadata search for all videos at once?

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sphery:

Zanthus: nope, one by one

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Zanthus:

awww

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Zanthus:

lol, I'll be here for a while

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justinh:

there's an (unsupported) script. your google-fu will help find it

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sphery:

there are 3rd party scripts that try to do searches for everything at once you'll have to find them

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sphery:

justinh is faster than I...

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Zanthus:

okay, thanks

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justinh:

haha. and now the system appears to work, but the output image has a border & the border is flashing different colours. nice work

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Dibblah:

justinh: BGA is easy. Spray flux (saturate) then reflow.

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justinh:

reflow with what?

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Dibblah:

Toaster.

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justinh:

our B&Q hot air gun?

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Dibblah:

That also works and I have used it on occasion.

[11:01:31]

Dibblah:

(Also great for fast cheese on toast)

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justinh:

arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh NEEDMOARRAMZ!

[11:03:05]

Dibblah:

(Toasters, as opposed to toaster ovens, are the preferred method these days.

[11:03:21]

Dibblah:

Since they have more even temperature control for small boards.

[11:03:52]

Dibblah:

Of course, they need a small amount of rework first :)

[11:05:28]

justinh:

FFS. stupid help pages in our commandline thing.. no pager

[11:06:13]

Dibblah:

And pipes don't work if the stupid people don't use STDIO.

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justinh:

no pipes either

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justinh:

no manual, no way to scroll through or grep the output

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justinh:

no wonder I want to drive by their building & burn it down sometimes

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justinh:

AH. this system variable can be interrogated without an ENQUIRE command

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justinh:

nothing like consistency. and this is nothing like it

[11:10:00]

justinh:

no point blaming the software people. if they don't have a spec to work to what can we expect? ;)

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MilkBoy:

uhm.. do user jobs always get the comment "Successfully completed" regardless of what the comment was updated to just before the job completes?

[11:10:16]

sphery:

yep

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MilkBoy:

crap

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justinh:

this could take all day. I don't even know wtf the unit is supposed to be doing, whether or not what I'm seeing is expected behaviour on this rev of software. sod it. they can have it as it is. how am I supposed to know what it does?

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justinh:

mahahaha. funny. somebody bothered to make a video DSP that can only do 480p h.264 decoding

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Zanthus:

when the video manager downloads metadata from imdb.com it no longer downloads the cover does it?

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Zanthus:

(due to imdb changing stuff around on their site?)

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jduggan:

Zanthus: it works fine for me

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jduggan:

make sure you have the latest script

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afm:

morning all

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afm:

anyone have a C patch for 4 digit 6200ch

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justinh:

a C patch ? to achieve whut?

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afm:

right now the 6200ch will do pretrailing 0's for numbers under 1000

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afm:

fios has more than 1000 channels

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afm:

so i need an additional 0 for numbers under 1000 to make chanel changing quicker

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afm:

I haven't touched C in 13 years

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justinh:

nice to see el reg have cleared up that nasty wind turbine controversy once & for all :)

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ruskie:

:)

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ruskie:

good one :)

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justinh:

aaand I've never seen this project called 'mith tv' before. wow, so that's how you spell mith

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justinh:

whee I got the machines to work. bloody crap software & lack of install docs, same as it ever was

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justinh:

imagine, if you had two identical machines. exactly the same hardware etc. and you had one set of tarballs containing the software, drivers & webpages for said machines. you do exactly the same thing on each machine in the same order. yet one doesn't work like the others did. meh

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Zanthus:

hey, thanks everybody for helping me by answering all of my questions over the past several days

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Zanthus:

I very much appreciate it :)

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shadash:

ugh... dealing with developers in the uk that have a chip on their shoulders

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justinh:

eh?

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shadash:

I show them how to code something and they still decide to do it their own way

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justinh:

awww

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justinh:

well, maybe it's their project, therefore their decision

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shadash:

annoying part is they way they're implenting has been attempted several times

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shadash:

and deemed not to work

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shadash:

unfortunately the chip is so big they can't hear anybody elses suggestions

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justinh:

hey there's no telling anybody they're wrong in this game. they're never wrong, of course

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justinh:

we droids just have to put up with their mess

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shadash:

;-)

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shadash:

just being open to suggestion helps

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shadash:

or just ask why

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justinh:

I've got a product to config that needs to be out of the door today. it works already, which is nice – but it's reporting the wrong product name on its webpages & in the serial debug. and you know why? cos the software doesn't work if it's set to the name it's 'supposed' to be, and the devs know it. but it needs to ship reporting the right thing. so here I am caught in the middle

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LinuxWhore:

The site looks great. Nice job guys!

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shadash:

justinh: can you write something in sed/awk to change the name?

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shadash:

maybe perl?

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justinh:

sed/awk/perl? on this platform?

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shadash:

I don't know what platform you're working on

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shadash:

webpages = I assume linux apache server

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justinh:

nah, the products all use common code & the product 'name' determines features to unlock in the code

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justinh:

oh no no no no, it's some lame stuff

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shadash:

ahh

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justinh:

basically they've just not got round to updating the software to tie the name up with the features needed

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shadash:

been there

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shadash:

I had to create a custom RHEL install dvd that did all kinds of crazy stuff behind the scenes because developers created custom rpms not configuration scripts

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shadash:

if they created custom config scripts and just used the normal rpms things would have been 100% easier

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shadash:

people make weird decisions when they don't think/care about future scalibility/useability

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shadash:

that's why myth is neat. It could be clogged together in a much different way. But devs are taking the time to do things correctly to make future maintence easier

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shadash:

just don't go all Debian stable on us. Grrrr...

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Similian:

hello fellow mythtvians

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shadash:

hi

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Similian:

whose twitter do i have to follow for mythtv releases?

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shadash:

sorry I don't twitter

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Similian:

:)

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afm:

not finding a lot of documentation on mythprime and scanfw...anyone have a decent doc? attempting firewire recording from a motorola qip-7100...channel changing is working so far :)

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justinh:

who in their right mind twitters anyway?

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Similian:

IBM :D

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Similian:

Hang on ....

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Similian:

;)

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Similian:

...

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SpaceBass:

hey folks

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SpaceBass:

can mythweb transcode in close to real time? in other words, can I watch live tv that way?

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justinh:

nope

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SpaceBass:

it seems to be caching a lot

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SpaceBass:

drat

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SpaceBass:

so much for streaming today's events

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** justinh sick of hearing about your president elect **

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SpaceBass:

ok....

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shadash:

justinh just wishes Blair was back

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shadash:

such great hair

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justinh:

I wish blair was dead. and brown

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justinh:

gordon brown I mean

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justinh:

oh hark... I hear helicopters coming

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justinh:

anyway, well done for being sucked up into the hype. FA will change in all probability

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iamlindoro:

justinh, I think you'll be proven wrong in the next seven days alone

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justinh:

first assassination since when?

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iamlindoro:

...

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Similian:

!eject

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justinh:

hahaha. maybe.. hahahaha. peace will erupt all over the middle east ...

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Similian:

is it ok if insall eclipse into var/tmp ?

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Similian:

just need it to visualize a wsdl for me

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iamlindoro:

justinh, A great many of us would be satisfied with common sense erupting over this country

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justinh:

iamlindoro: lol

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iamlindoro:

A prospect that seems very real for the first time in 8 years

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justinh:

and suddenly, with one fatal shot..

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iamlindoro:

Please don't say that

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justinh:

the (over)lord moves in mysterious ways

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Similian:

just sad it is

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i thought transcoding to lossless mp4 would give me a .mpg file, i'm still getting a .nuv file :(

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justinh:

meanwhile, back in #mythtv-users ...

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justinh:

AlmightyOatmeal: .nuv is just a container. it's not lossless mpeg4, but mpeg4 – since mpeg4 isn't lossless

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iamlindoro:

AlmightyOatmeal, I personally have seen you told five times... lossless is MPEG-2 only, and only lossless can end up MPG

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AlmightyOatmeal:

iamlindoro: okay, well either way i enabled lossless but still get a nuv

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** justinh pours hot milk on AlmightyOatmeal . not so almighty now **

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iamlindoro:

*COUGH*

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iamlindoro:

" lossless is MPEG-2 only"

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AlmightyOatmeal:

thats right, lossless isn't mpeg4, my bad

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** iamlindoro writes it on paper and nails it to AlmightyOatmeal's forehead **

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AlmightyOatmeal:

but i digress, i enabled lossless, transcoded, and get a .nuv

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justinh:

then myth is naughty for letting you be so stupid

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AlmightyOatmeal:

wtf

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iamlindoro:

If the *SOURCE* wasn't MPEg-2, Then enabling LOSSLESS does nothing

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AlmightyOatmeal:

how am i being stupid? the stream from my hauppauge card is mpeg2... works great

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i enabled lossless transcoding to clip commercials, i transcode and get a freaking .nuv

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AlmightyOatmeal:

how am i being stupid?

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justinh:

then you used the wrong transcoding profile

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iamlindoro:

Then you transcoded with a profiles that *not* set to lossless OR you set the card up wrong

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AlmightyOatmeal:

there isn't anything that can be changed in the profile once lossless is enabled

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AlmightyOatmeal:

the transcoder is using the correct profile

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AlmightyOatmeal:

and what does the recording card have anything to do with transcoding seeing it comes out as an mpeg2 that works perfect?

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justinh:

it has EVERYTHING to do with it

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AlmightyOatmeal:

well then, the card IS setup right, works just fine, and generates a nice mpeg2 stream

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iamlindoro:

AlmightyOatmeal, No. It's not. Myth will not/can not spontaneously take an MPEG-2 source and lossless cut into an NUV. CAN NOT HAPPEN.

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iamlindoro:

So *one* of the cases above is true.

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AlmightyOatmeal:

iamlindoro: obviously not true.

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** iamlindoro sighs **

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iamlindoro:

OK, Myth's becomes self aware and is doing it to piss you off, enjoy

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iamlindoro:

meanwhile, back in the land of people who know what the hell they're doing...

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i'm not sure what youre asking of me, but the bloody original mpeg2 stream works just fine, the transcoding profile is set to lossless only, no other touching, and transcoding gives me a .nuv

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justinh:

iamlindoro: like my scissors? http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . scissors.svg

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justinh:

or see the files in //homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/animated/cut%1.png :)

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AlmightyOatmeal:

so thats it? your SOL because we don't know whats going on?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

nice.

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justinh:

hahaha. why did I just have a vision of a python-esque foot squashing files as they're transcoded?

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justinh:

manic-miner-wide

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justinh:

or maybe, morph .MPG into .NUV

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justinh:

but make the .NUV image much bigger

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justinh:

awww gawd. I'm not able to update this unit by ftp. which is basically the only route

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justinh:

ah look. our dhcp server gave out the same IP to two different MAC IDs. go MS

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Saw that, it's looking good!

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justinh:

iamlindoro: nom nom :)

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iamlindoro:

justinh, The days of GANT may soon be behind us...

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justinh:

so long as we don't run out of new ideas ;)

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justinh:

what's it look like in use? haven't been able to get time to even open my laptop today

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iamlindoro:

"Uhhhhhhhh this rounded rectangle HERE.... 50% alpha... DONE!"

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iamlindoro:

justinh, I have only seen the still frames myself

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justinh:

it'll take me 5 mins to try em out in situ, just need time alone with my laptop

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wylie:

iamlindoro can you post a couple more of your experimental theme links — i just want to drool at them again

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wylie:

[even if they are just mock ups, not sure if that's the case]

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iamlindoro:

http://robertmcnamara.smugmug.com/gallery/7063231_gGk9H

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iamlindoro:

Trying to keep the latest stuff there

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iamlindoro:

It's all real, only the MythMusic is a mockup, and only ebcause it's not MythUI'd yet

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iamlindoro:

off to work!

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wylie:

you have a tarball anywhere? love it

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iamlindoro:

No, nothing public just yet

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wylie:

off to work as well — thanks for the drool fodder

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justinh:

I like how nobody's asking me. suits me fine :)

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wylie:

ah, didn't know you had another — shoot me another drool link. ;(

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wylie:

:)

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wylie:

that's right, you (justinh) were also playing with the animated action icons and stuff, right?

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justinh:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/screenshots/&nbs p;– all subject to change between now & whenever. not made room for fanart yet

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justinh:

no menu shots yet either since I haven't made up my mind what to do with them

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wylie:

love it, also great stuff — crisp

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justinh:

pbb1.png prolly reflects the main backrgound I'll be using but it'll be geared towards flexibility the same way glass-wide was

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justinh:

except it won't suck as much

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wylie:

yup, tons of enhancements — happy to see that gui has become a real priority — will help mythtv put the commercial DVRs out there to shame (not that it isn't already the case, but limited by present release ui capabilities)

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justinh:

no commercial product has anything like the kind of UI we've got

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justinh:

or indeed the kind of features

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wylie:

and no dvr has anything like the kind of capabilties we've got

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wylie:

yup

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justinh:

work on mythui stated anything up to 2 years ago. it's just taken til now for folks to get onto it in earnest

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justinh:

s/stated/started

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wylie:

makes sense and that jibes with watching the commits — great to see it being realized

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justinh:

yeah hopefully soon we'll all be waving goodbye to old cruft

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

... And I love how the OSD with VDPAU is the screen resolution, not the video resolution... nice & crisp... ;-)

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A|work: it's that way with the opengl rendering too

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justinh:

if you're one of the lucky ones who find it works

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: Ah... ;-) — The worst OSD i've seen is on my friend's VDR-based FTA box... Can you say super-ugly????

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justinh:

FUGLY

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wylie:

at the moment, i'm working on RMA'n that nvidia 8400gs from newegg. loving vdpau, hating that the video disappears randomly every few minutes. [not related to vdpau, just a bad card]

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

exactly

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A|work: but nuhhhhhhh, veeedeee arrr can overlay everything on top of video, with alpha and everything!

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: One thing I'll give VDR is that it's got great Graphical LCD support...

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justinh:

one thing I'll give VDR is that it forces you to have one box for recording and playback. they win!

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justinh:

as for LCDs.. pah! what's what your TV is for!

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justinh:

time to go ome

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GreyFoxx:

hahahahah We're having major Bandwidth spikes at work now with the Inauguration streaming :)

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GreyFoxx:

So I setup a reflector and everyone is streaming it from me rather than over and over.

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iamlindoro_:

My coworkers stayed home to watch, I get all the bandwidth to myself

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GreyFoxx:

But we feed several buildings and companies and I can't make them stop watcing :)

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GreyFoxx:

I've got 1 tuner recording to a file, got another dumping to stdout which I bring into vlc, reencode live and make available viaa http

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GreyFoxx:

I then run it on my local machine with that as the source and then offer it up

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GreyFoxx:

so people in here can watch with it only using 1 streams worth of net bw

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

We put an antenna on our LCD TV they have in the conf room for video conferences – it already has an ATSC tuner...

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jpabq:

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iamlindoro_:

Lord, John Roberts is really semi-literate at best.

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wagnerrp:

im watching the inauguration, and they panned out to the background, showing a bunch of projection screens off in the distance

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wagnerrp:

because thats how i would want to spend my morning

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wagnerrp:

standing for hours in the cold, just to watch it on TV

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: this isn't #grammar

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iamlindoro_:

clearly, given your presence

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Jeeze... "I'm having problems with MythBuntu 9.04 Alpha 2" ... Well DUH?!? How about running a distribution that's not in the DEVELOPMENT stage....

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Sounds a bit trollish though ... "or might want to try a windows based DVR_PVR"...

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kevinle:

hi everyone!

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everyone:

Hi! ;-) How'd you know I was here?

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kevinle:

oh snap

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kevinle:

everyone is here

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kevinle:

lol

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

He was, he's gone now...

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NCommander:

Hey all.

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Similian:

how come

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Similian:

Doctor Whos last season was 28

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Similian:

and the current one is 4

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iamlindoro_:

Fourth of the recent run, 28 overall

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Similian:

so there are actually 28 seasons?

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iamlindoro_:

yes

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Similian:

that must be sick

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Similian:

just read some good ratings about it and wanted to get started with it

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iamlindoro_:

24 of those seasons are not going to match the production values of the 4 you know

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iamlindoro_:

fun, but very different

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Similian:

ok

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Similian:

so you could say the recent ones are a spinoff

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iamlindoro_:

no

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iamlindoro_:

They are all the same show

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Similian:

okay =D i will look into a few randomly

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Similian:

is it like Knight Rider

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iamlindoro_:

The new seasons lean *heavily* on the mythology created by the old ones

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Similian:

where there is the new Mustang Knight Rider

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iamlindoro_:

no, it's not like Knight rider

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iamlindoro_:

They're just new seasons

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Similian:

allright thanks for the info

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iamlindoro_:

Production has improved, but still the same universe/characters/etc.

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Similian:

interesting how it has such high ratings

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Similian:

i wish i could mark videos as seen in mythvideo

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iamlindoro_:

Patches are always appreciated ;)

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akv:

I just got my KNC-ONE DVB-C card and I can't seem to find any channels on it... I can't find a frequency list from my provider, any way of generating it?

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Similian:

:) we'll see maybe around june

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Similian:

how do you seek ?

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Similian:

scan

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iamlindoro_:

press an arrow

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akv:

i tried scan yes

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akv:

but it fails saying it cannot find any channels

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Similian:

do a dvbscan before you try mythtv thingamabob

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Dubstar_04:

what card are you using?

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Similian:

just find a transponder by luck

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Similian:

or look it up on the providers page

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Similian:

usualy if you find one proper transponder it will give you the rest

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akv:

they don't have a list of frequencies only channel names...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

try lyngsat

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akv:

I don't have a CAM and decoder card yet, but i will be able to see where the channels are, just now decode them, right?

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akv:

okay, i finaly found some channels, but mythtv doesn't really wanna let me use them – I have done a "cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 > test.mpg" and it worked like a charm...

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sphery:

So, I told smithna to post a question to the -users with appropriate details and code saying that he's porting MythVodka to Qt4/trunk and needs help figuring out an issue. He didn't post details and only posted a couple of lines of code he thought were important (not the current patch).

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sphery:

akv: that would mean you have an incorrect capture card/video source/input connections/channel configuration. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: He doesn't want anyone stealing his glory after all ;)

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: heh... Guess you saw my post.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Heh, not until just now

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iamlindoro_:

funny

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sphery:

all great minds...

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sphery:

or should I say, "All not right-thinking minds..."

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kormoc:

I believe that folks who get digested messages should not be allowed to post to the list, replying to digested messages is worthless...

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** iamlindoro_ shamefully admits to a few of those replies in the past **

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iamlindoro_:

In fairness, the digest instructions suggest that you edit the subject (and I always did) but it would be nice if it could thread it right if it sees an identical subject

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gbee:

been checking in on the -users list via Gossamer for the last week, seems quieter than normal?

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laga:

vdpau comes with a great price.

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GreyFoxx:

udo and delphi have taken the day off

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justinh:

taken the day off? however will things progress without their input?!

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laga:

what was that delphi guy doing?

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Don't worry, they're be commenting on tickets and patches from here on out ;)

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iamlindoro_:

they'll

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

[ot] I HATE sales people... I was asked if I could have a project done by the end of the week, then the weasel sends out an email that I'll have it done tomorrow to the client. LOSER! I think I'll have it done at 4:59PM Friday now...

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iamlindoro_:

I'd like to see *you* nourish a black, oily heart that runs on lies with the truth, duh

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RDV_Linux:

I will bet the weasel will be out the door when you are putting in the over time.

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iamlindoro_:

I see he performed a "reverse engineer scott" adjustment on your estimate

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justinh:

that silly doggy. first time he saw my r/c car he went nuts, only time he's ever barked in the house

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justinh:

and now, since he's not scared of it anymore, he starts to attack it when he wants it to play with him

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: My cat did the same thing with a 'bumble ball' ~15 years ago... was first completly afraid of it, but then started attacking it and batting it around, even to the point of grabbing it and biting one of the rubber nubs as it shook him like crazy...

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gbee:

my cat likes hiding round corners, or bushes in the garden then leaping out as I walk past, batting me on the leg and running away to hide further along

[22:00:52]

justinh:

haha my parent's cat used to do that

[22:00:58]

mag0o:

my girls new kitten likes to play in the litter box

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mag0o:

not the brightest cat

[22:01:03]

justinh:

poop. parents'

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iamlindoro_:

The webcam on the dog is the only way I can get through the workday

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shadash:

my cat likes to sleep under the covers and waits for me at the door when I come home

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: hehe

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GreyFoxx:

I have a cat that likes to play tag

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shadash:

she also likes to jump from the back of chairs into my arms when I'm not looking. I should have never taught her that one.

[22:02:35]

GreyFoxx:

I'll chase her around, and then she'll turn and chase me

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GreyFoxx:

after we "tag" it switchs back and forth

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gbee:

yeah mine likes climbing under the sheets as I make the bed, she's spent hours just playing inside the duvet cover before

[22:03:02]

GreyFoxx:

It's funny as tel;l\

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shadash:

mine does that with the wife

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shadash:

not me

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GreyFoxx:

she'll walk into a room, see me and start walking toward me sideways with her tail right up

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justinh:

mmmm. new batch of stew is all done

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GreyFoxx:

it's the sign of "I want to play"

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: yeah again, mine likes games like that, wasn't the case with cats I've had in the past

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shadash:

another funny thing my cat does is if you blow directly in her face she gets pissed and bites your face

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justinh:

all the cats I've ever known only played as kittens

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justinh:

which is why my dog is so much fun :)

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: This one is almost 9 and still does it :)

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shadash:

get's a mohak and chomp on your nose or cheek

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GreyFoxx:

I'm the only one she plays with

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justinh:

heheh

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gbee:

and when she wants me to get out of bed she come up alongside the bed, reach under the covers and prod me

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GreyFoxx:

she lets other give her attention but only really likes me when it comes to play or sitting on laps and so on

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: I love the dog because NO human being will ever be that excited to see me come home from work

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justinh:

gawd yeah. rory goes nuts

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bgmiki:

can some1 help me to start mythtv..archlinux

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shadash:

wifes parents have a pitbull and when we bring the cat over they play with each other all day hiding and tag.

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justinh:

trouble is, the bond I have with this doggy is only down to my wife haranguing me to agree to get a dog – so now she thinks all she has to do is keep on & on :)

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iamlindoro_:

bgmiki: We don't do "volunteering" in here, you'll need to ask an actual question

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justinh:

bgmiki: try asking a proper question :) like er.. "I go to start mythfrontend & it gives me lots of errors. I put the error messages in this pastebin link: http://www.pastebin.ca/564386439"

[22:08:18]

gbee:

unlike previous cats, she doesn't really like being picked up though, after a few seconds or once she's had a good look around from the new vantage point, she'll start pushing herself away from my chest

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bgmiki:

it say I can not connect to database

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justinh:

bgmiki: or describe the problem you are having in more detail

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bgmiki:

i install mythtv from arch repo

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iamlindoro_:

bgmiki: Have you read and followed the myth manual? You can't just install-and-run

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justinh:

bgmiki: any number of things can cause that. need MOARINFO

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bgmiki:

oh tnx i try in google

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bgmiki:

:)

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** justinh decides arghhlinux doesn't exist anymore :) problem solved **

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: depressing that

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: uPnP backend stuff goes a lot of the way, but I was thinking about it the other day-- the *only* way I can see that becoming true is internalizing MySQL.

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iamlindoro_:

*everything* that's hard about installing myth is MySQL's fault, not Myth's

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bgmiki:

http://pastebin.com/m26d59a76

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justinh:

and lirc

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justinh:

and VGA drivers

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justinh:

and tvout

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iamlindoro_:

bgmiki: Did you read and follow the manual whil we weren't looking?

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iamlindoro_:

bgmiki: That output implies to me that you haven't read and followed the steps to setting up DB, DB permissions, and the mysql.txt file

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: aye, I really want to see that done

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gbee:

but there is plenty that can be improved in the setup side of things

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bgmiki:

iamlindoro_: where can i read

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iamlindoro_:

bgmiki: www.mythtv.org

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bgmiki:

tnx

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iamlindoro_:

np

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Dubstar_04:

mythbuntu, mythdora, knoppmyth

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Dubstar_04:

easy peasy for newbs

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gbee:

auto-detection of cards, apiconfig for xmltv setup, better choices for defaults, better flow in the UI

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: It would be extra nice if there was a v4l attribute that indicated card capabilities-- would vastly simplify card autodetection

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: oh no they're not. said newbs still have to read

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justinh:

and there's no guarantee their hardware is supported

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Dubstar_04:

I suppose. I cant remember what it was like first setting up

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justinh:

and if I had £1 for every one-click install TV app I've ever tried & given up on.. :)

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gbee:

but we're going to try and change that aren't we?

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** justinh watches a tumbleweed roll by **

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Dubstar_04:

ha ha, I'm off to read my qt4 book some more. it will make sense 1 day!!

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iamlindoro_:

#6150-- your browser is broken and it's Myth's fault how?

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro_, that's an intuitive error message if I've ever heard one.

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mzb_d800:

#1 — it's not the fault of anyone in #mythtv-users either ;)

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meshe:

probably hoping to get a response faster than Google

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fuxxy:

woot, taxes are done!

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phunyguy:

i have not my W2 yet.

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phunyguy:

but very soon

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fuxxy:

I've been with my company for 5 years, and this is the fastest I've *EVAR* got my W-2.

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phunyguy:

i usually dont get mine until like the 29th

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fuxxy:

Only a couple weeks longer till my new LCD :)

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fuxxy:

Having a hard time deciding on a 46" or a 52". My primary seating area is 14 feet away from the TV.

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directhex:

106

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iamlindoro:

Me likes 106 :)

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iamlindoro:

/me that is

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fuxxy:

directhex, wha? I'm not a "front row" guy at the theater either, I"m a walkway rail guy.

[23:02:58]

gbee:

those guys are outfitting a cinema

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gbee:

I prefer a TV where I don't have to move my head to take in the whole picture

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fuxxy:

gbee, agreed.

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Oh I don't know, My 106" screen doesn't need any craning, and that's from about 15' back

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fuxxy:

I just need to take my tape measure to bestbuy, and see what the TV's look like at my distance.

[23:11:38]

fuxxy:

iamlindoro, isnt' that the projecter that you said didn't really suffice for everyday viewing?

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iamlindoro:

fuxxy, I never said any such thing

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iamlindoro:

I said that generally I am upstairs and watch on the upstairs TV as I can't be bothersed to tromp downstairs

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fuxxy:

ahh.

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gbee:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/20/sheffield_conficker/

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gbee:

ahh, windows, how we love thee

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banyan:

Hello! I hope this question doesn't have a really silly answer, but... my backend hasn't flagged commercials for quite a while. any reasons why that would have quit working, or should I be checking settings to verify that it's set to do so?

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fuxxy:

banyan, the first thing to do should be doublecheck settings

[23:19:11]

fuxxy:

it's not unknown for the database to poop itself.

[23:20:13]

fuxxy:

and I'll counter your question with another – you are talking about flagging commercials on RECORDINGS, correct? IIRC, myth won't commflag LiveTV (at least I havent been able)

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banyan:

correct, recordings.

[23:22:51]

banyan:

That's a thing in the front end or the mythtvsetup? Now, I can't remember (usually it just works and I don't look at either often enough to get all that acquainted...)

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banyan:

I also see that after myth tries to commercial flag the program it hung up on, it complains about not being able to read /etc/mythtv/config.xml

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banyan:

which just contains a comment that it is to be filled in by mythtvsetup, but mythtvsetup doesn't actually do anything to it.

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iamlindoro:

banyan, it will only create a config.xml if you don't have a mysql.txt

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iamlindoro:

rename mysql.txt, take note of the contents, run mythtv-setup (or the frontend), put the information in when it asks for it, and you should end up with a config.xml

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banyan:

would the flagging be insisting on the config.xml then?

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iamlindoro:

commflagger needs some way of getting the DB info, so whichever user spawns it needs a ~/.mythtv/config.xml

[23:45:23]

iamlindoro:

if you are doing something silly like running the backend as root, the you need a /root/.mythtv/config.xml

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banyan:

I have to start putting a diary together in my site wiki so I remember what I did when. e.g. what happened on December 8 that stopped my comm flagging from working.

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banyan:

whereas in prior versions the mysql.txt was good enough?

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iamlindoro:

config.xml replaces mysql.txt

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banyan:

well, I have a project for tonight then!

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