Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, January 18th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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iamlindoro:

justinh, heh, noted ;)

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justinh:

I said now, for fear of starting WW3

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justinh:

*nowt

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iamlindoro:

"What do you get out of it Robert and Brad? (or are you the same person?) Your attitude is not in keeping with the open software movement, and in fact it is destructive of it."

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iamlindoro:

MWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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justinh:

yeah, you frickin cancer, you! ;)

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iamlindoro:

Oh no, They're going to revoke my free software card!

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directhex:

iamlindoro, someone's obviously never seen boycott novell if they think YOU guys are bad :)

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justinh:

I was called that in here once.

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** justinh takes a sec to laugh at the doggy dreaming on the couch **

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iamlindoro:

Intriguing how it's always contributors being called said names by the non

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directhex:

ironically, some BN contributors wanted my free software card revoked, amongst others (i.e. expulsion from the debian project for the crime of packaging)

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iamlindoro:

So they sent you to the phantom zone instead?

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justinh:

me, I'm looking forward to going public with the next insulting email I receive. I wish I'd done that in the 1st place, might've saved me some anger management issues

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iamlindoro:

directhex@spinning.glass.panel.in.space.net ?

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** directhex tears a celophane S from his chest, flings it at iamlindoro **

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justinh:

iamlindoro: btw I appreciate your work on the trailer pre-movie effort.. but while out today I thought of a new gimmick. In dual audio setups (i.e. lazy wife uses plain ole analogue through the TV but hubby turns the amp on for his shows), but Ac3 & DTS audio needs the digi amp switched on. next up.. either.. ability to run script upon opening given video or pop up a popup saying "hey there, mind turning the volume up to

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test2:

AlmightyOatmeal: for analog channels, find them in kde ; configure video options. then when u got channel in scan u will have the frequency (rightclick on channel name) to put it in myth

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AlmightyOatmeal:

test2: kdetv is having a problem with the v4l plugin

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AlmightyOatmeal:

it's not finding any channels

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justinh:

iamlindoro: I'm putting the ability to add automation script per video on my todo list, so it might never see the light of day but it's there :)

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test2:

AlmightyOatmeal: (and xmltv id of each channel is in grab)

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AlmightyOatmeal:

it says "Unable to grab video"

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iamlindoro:

justinh, I think the lighting control built in thing would be neat, I say go for it

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justinh:

need to build an IR blaster soon

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AlmightyOatmeal:

yeah, i have xmltv setup in mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Might even make me invest is fancy dimmers

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justinh:

iamlindoro: and me :D

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test2:

your pb is v4l and video plugin .. certainly for both kdetv and myth

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justinh:

it'd only be one more table and a new column in videometadata or whatever...

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justinh:

and (argghhhhh) new settings. heh

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justinh:

and all because mythtv doesn't have enough settings already (tm)

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test2:

AlmightyOatmeal: try dev/video1 instead of dev/video0 in myth setup . test v4l, v4l2, x11 all!

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justinh:

hrm. now I can kinda see the point in that dynamic menus doohicky

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justinh:

MythHA !

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justinh:

ladies & gentlemen.. the killer plugin hardly anybody will ever use :P

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jams:

wasn't that mythphone

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test2:

AlmightyOatmeal: xmltv setup in mythtv? not exactly .. but in channel editor u can type the xmltv id of a channel (eg : C1)

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justinh:

HA is cooler. less zeitgeisty than VOIP I grant you

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test2:

AlmightyOatmeal: but first you have to find good video plugin.. ask justinh ;)

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justinh:

though technically I could just hack a 'custom player command' to run a script & then run 'mythtv $file' .. muchos work savings

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Well, in fairness the DB info is transparent to the user and so long as it's an optional option (heh) it can be buried where only the determined can find it

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phunyguy:

yay.

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phunyguy:

made a lot of progress on the mythbox

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justinh:

iamlindoro: what.. like most of the settings people come here to ask us about?

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phunyguy:

recorded a show!

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phunyguy:

but the EPG is still sluggish

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phunyguy:

and unuseable on the HD side

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iamlindoro:

HAAAAAAHAAHAHA

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iamlindoro:

I love this thread!

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justinh:

your mythtv is too old. you need a newer mythtv version, I'm

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iamlindoro:

shame pipermail seems broken

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justinh:

*betting

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iamlindoro:

And gossamer is too slow

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phunyguy:

if you are talking to me i am on the latest weekly build.

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kormoc:

weekly build?

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phunyguy:

just in case you are talking to me.

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kormoc:

there's weekly builds/

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phunyguy:

yeah.

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iamlindoro:

" You don't have my best interests at heart. You aren't interested in contributing. You are not here to improve others' situations."

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iamlindoro:

Nice!

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justinh:

phunyguy: if your myth is > version I can't remember, but the EPG slowness bug was fixed – then your hardware is too slow

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phunyguy:

hardware.

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phunyguy:

we have been through this in here already

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phunyguy:

X2 5400B processor

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** kormoc blinks **

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phunyguy:

2 gigs DDR2–800

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kormoc:

that's not slow...

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phunyguy:

...

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JackEStorm:

ugh, who broke the icon fetcher?

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phunyguy:

could be that...

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phunyguy:

didnt try that yet

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justinh:

ok then, your s3 virge is slowing it up

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phunyguy:

but its only unuseable on the HD side

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phunyguy:

8200 video

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phunyguy:

geforce

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phunyguy:

(onboard, but whatever)

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phunyguy:

the HD video is fine

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phunyguy:

its when i use the program guide.

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justinh:

binary drivers?

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phunyguy:

....

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phunyguy:

maybe?

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phunyguy:

:P

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justinh:

you should know if you use the binary drivers or not

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justinh:

by rights :)

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phunyguy:

its the ones from the package manager

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kormoc:

only slightly imporatnt, knowing that stuff, like breathing is slightly important

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phunyguy:

dont think its built on my PC

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phunyguy:

so binary

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** kormoc laughs **

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justinh:

I mean the restricted, closed source binary drivers

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kormoc:

I wonder if I was once that much of a newbie

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phunyguy:

yes.

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phunyguy:

those.

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justinh:

mmmkay then

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squish102:

phunyguy what distro?

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** phunyguy slaps kormoc **

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phunyguy:

mythbuntu 8.10

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow at phunyguy **

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phunyguy:

dont need the side-chatter :P

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squish102:

can be enabled in the mythbuntu control center

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kormoc:

phunyguy, likely shouldn't be in here then

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phunyguy:

o_O

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phunyguy:

they are enabled.

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phunyguy:

i am not THAATT newb.

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phunyguy:

i also had some flaky 2d performance but i fixed that.

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justinh:

time to reboot the laptop into loonix.. and.. do some frickin dev working!

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phunyguy:

yeah

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phunyguy:

you do that

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squish102:

justinh: vmware?

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justinh:

and edit menu.lst because booting into memtest is annoying

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justinh:

squish102: nah. my laptop only has VGA out, and I like doing graphics work on a big monitor

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justinh:

phunyguy: played with USEEVENT or whatevr (can't remember) in xorg.conf ?

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phunyguy:

yup.

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phunyguy:

turned off composite.

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justinh:

oh damnit. fsck? now? bugger off!

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phunyguy:

set icons to ''

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phunyguy:

hah justinh

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phunyguy:

have fun with that

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phunyguy:

NOW

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justinh:

bah no hurry, so i'll let it

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phunyguy:

go fsck $0

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phunyguy:

OOH

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phunyguy:

AM I A NOOB NOW?!?

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** kormoc laughs at the fact that phunyguy was mad at his comments yet phunyguy spews out a ton more 'side comments' **

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kormoc:

phunyguy, yes?

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justinh:

go fsck yourself :)

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phunyguy:

hahah you got it.

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phunyguy:

or you can touch $0

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phunyguy:

but thats up to you.

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phunyguy:

I've farted.

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, phunyguy has an uncanny ability to latch on to the nearest contributor or developer and act offensively. Our top people are working on it.

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justinh:

and hey don't go shooting the next guy who comes along asking what you think are obvious questions. I was trying to be helpful, and if you thought I was being an asshole you should see me on a bad day

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phunyguy:

shush Robert.

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phunyguy:

i didnt think you were an asshole.

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phunyguy:

i was just re-answering

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phunyguy:

i am sure as well as anyone else is that it's a driver issue.

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iamlindoro:

Woohoo!, gossamer updated!

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phunyguy:

/usr/bin/X is killin teh CPU when EPG is live.

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justinh:

this news just in.. a recent survey reports that more & more people are making it to 'the list'

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iamlindoro:

justinh, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/366514

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Best. Thread. Ever.

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, I like that fact that he slapped a guy with channel ops :)

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jpabq:

iamlindoro: I like how it is *you* that has ruined that guys chances for getting an answer.

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, jpabq, Heh

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phunyguy:

glad that makes ppl feel good.

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: that guy's a piece of work... Jeepers...

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phunyguy:

does the nvidia driver installer normally overwrite your xorg.conf?

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, The level of entitledness is *astounding* even with experience with this channel ;)

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jpabq:

One of the problems with TEXT instead of SPEACH, is people can't tell the "tone of voice", and they jump to conclusions. I tend to believe that the conclusions they jump to, have to do with their own personality.

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justinh:

top posters, they're all the blimmiin same...

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, My real question is where he's getting the business about everyone attacking and belittling him-- IMO he's been treated *exceeding* patiently

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directhex:

"You aren't interested in contributing. You are not here to improve others' situations. "

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directhex:

SO THERE!

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: I have to agree with you — you were extermely patient with him... ;-)

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justinh:

anyway, least my icons are looking nicer now

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** iamlindoro weeps profusely **

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** phunyguy hands Robert a tissue **

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phunyguy:

baby.

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** J-e-f-f-A OMG – ROTFLMAO!!!!!! **

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justinh:

iamlindoro: hmmm. you guys should really have seen the stuff I was getting in my personal inbox. I really regret deleting em now

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phunyguy:

OMGLOLBBQ ?

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directhex:

justinh, be sure to keep from: intact when reposting hate mail

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iamlindoro:

I want to have this thread's baby

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Well, we'll start an exchange when my theme comes out ;)

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directhex:

ten dolla?#

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EnderTheThird:

anyone know if the current radeon driver allows adjustments for overscan via dvi/hdmi connections? I'm thinking of replacing my GF 7600 and will get a Radeon if it can do that (nvidia driver doesn't support it)

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phunyguy:

Ender... I've seen that screenname before..

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EnderTheThird:

phunyguy: might have been me, depending on where you saw it, heh

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phunyguy:

Kali?

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justinh:

directhex: none of them were sent from real email addresses but I took from their style they were all from one guy. I assume a guy cos no lady would be that much of a psycho

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird, I've heard that the fglrx drivers have good voerscan adjustment, but I have my doubts about the OSS ones

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phunyguy:

hmmm..

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phunyguy:

guess not.

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justinh:

the gist went like "by submitting something to the community, you entered into a non-verbal unwritten contract", yada yada. "for deciding to stop supporting what you have done..." yada yada "death to all your children, and your children's children etc"

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iamlindoro:

Nice!

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jduggan:

lolol

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: radeons have something for hardware h.264 decoding too, don't they? my 7600 won't do vdpau, so i figure i'll get something that can do some sort of hardware decoding

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird, There is no hardware decode whatsoever with ATI in linux yet

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justinh:

so the implication of contributing anything, you're duty bound to support it, and keep updating it forever. or until you die, whichever is soonest

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: rats. thanks for the info

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iamlindoro:

There are implications that hooks exist in the driver for them to have something out for recent cards soon, but nothing yet

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iamlindoro:

nVidia, on the other hand...

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: i'll hold off a while yet then, at least until i can get vdpau working on my 8500 on this desktop

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kormoc:

justinh, I've had a few folks over the past few months tell me that I should do whatever they want RIGHT NOW or quit oss development, because I don't get it

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iamlindoro:

probably best

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justinh:

can't help but wonder which came first.. ATI's 'leaked' info, or nvidia's plan

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iamlindoro:

I think Isaac said it had been in the works for a long time at nVidia

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justinh:

kormoc: it's that contract we signed by clicking submit. damn small print

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directhex:

kormoc, well, here's the thing

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EnderTheThird:

my computer kinda gives me the finger when i try to compile mplayer-vdpau right now, heh

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directhex:

kormoc, you know that old winston churchill quote? the one about democracy being the worst form of government? or the one about speaking with the average voter?

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justinh:

I think if more people knew about the nutjobs who complain out there, fewer would contribute – but getting people with similar experiences to compare notes would be beneficial. it's one of the things I've yet to see covered in any discussion about OSS. nobody ever talks about how to deal with the assholes. some of us don't come with in-built resistance to it

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directhex:

kormoc, now consider what "democratization of the internet" or "democratization of software" actually *means*, bearing churchill in mind

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justinh:

easy to say "bah, just some asshole on the interwebs out there" – different matter when it's in your inbox, talking about what you do

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directhex:

justinh, getting smeared on websites is fun too

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EnderTheThird:

i used to wonder why some OSS folks got so frustrated with people online, but after spending some time in here, i can understand the frustration when idiots come running by

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justinh:

yeah well there's plenty dirt I inadvertently left lying around before I knew that everything I ever posted would be frickin saved for eternity...

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** phunyguy steps in and trips over the geeky conversation **

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** phunyguy steps back out **

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justinh:

I've asked for the more er.. embarrassing stuff to be removed on grounds of previous ignorance but as yet.. no dice. thanks google poodle, you evil SoBs

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phunyguy:

laff.

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phunyguy:

makes me glad i didnt get on mailing lists or post on forums too much

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, his website is totally 1999 (and using the same background mine did... in 1999)

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phunyguy:

most of my dumb stuff is said in chat rooms that aren't logged

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, oooooh, hadn't even looked!

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directhex:

justinh, the attacks against me on the web are funny. in one bit, i appear to be accused of malicious time travel

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kormoc:

phunyguy, sadly this one is logged and google indexed very well

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justinh:

roflmao

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phunyguy:

yeah well my point stands

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phunyguy:

...or did i say something stupid?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: annoying backgrounds and blinking text?

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, oooh, you and xris can go over to his office and administer the cluebat

[00:43:59]

** justinh wonders whatever happened to the idea of The Internet 2, and all its eliteist ideals **

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phunyguy:

The Internet 2... laff.

[00:44:09]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, doesn't that describe '99 fairly well?

[00:44:17]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, yeah, I thought bout it :P

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phunyguy:

heh i had a 1999 style website... in '97..

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directhex:

justinh, apparently debian contains mono, due to pressure from ubuntu. now, considering mono was in debian for 2 years before ubuntu existed, that narrows the options

[00:44:44]

phunyguy:

using the old pi3web webserver

[00:44:46]

phunyguy:

on winblows

[00:45:03]

iamlindoro:

Nice, I like the spinning @ animated GIF

[00:45:05]

justinh:

ahhh

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iamlindoro:

Probably loves GANT, he does

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kormoc:

god, I remember when I loved that background

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phunyguy:

ok Yoda

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directhex:

iamlindoro, ?

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** kormoc winces **

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kormoc:

My poor poor unloved GANT

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iamlindoro:

directhex, www.delphi-real-estate.com

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iamlindoro:

At the bottom

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jduggan:

kormoc: gant is your theme?

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, In fairness, this makes GANT look nice

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kormoc:

jduggan, no, but I'm the only one that likes it it seems :)

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, I liked the rotating cube of low quality images

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phunyguy:

that cube servers what purpose?

[00:46:40]

phunyguy:

serves*

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wagnerrp:

who embeds java in their webpage...

[00:46:44]

iamlindoro:

Must have been the Frontpage LinuxMCE template

[00:46:54]

phunyguy:

oooh

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phunyguy:

hovering over it stops it

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wagnerrp:

i have a big blank box with a no snake symbol

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justinh:

haha

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directhex:

snaaaaaaaaaake

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justinh:

world class quality, world class character. oh yay.

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justinh:

(c) TagLineGenerator 2.3

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iamlindoro:

Okay, no more responses, this guy is a train wreck and I just can't bring myself to be that mean

[00:47:54]

wagnerrp:

the snake has angry eyelashes

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justinh:

ugh. page title links clicked on are surrounded with a pool of what looks like bloody

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kormoc:

he has (or had) other winning domains, such as Delphi-commercial.com, Delphi-commercial.info, Delphi-real-estate.com, Delphi-real-estate.info, Real-estate-northwest.info,Real-estate-seattle.info, Realestate-northwest.info, Realestate-seattle.info, Remax-northwest.info, and Remax-northwest.net

[00:49:16]

justinh:

except most of them get clipped. nice.

[00:49:24]

GreyFoxx:

"least you have that to comfort yourself. The community is poorer for it" lololol

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wagnerrp:

people get so offended when you tell them if they cant figure out a configure script, they shouldnt run trunk...

[00:49:30]

GreyFoxx:

I think I just peed a little

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justinh:

and here I am thinking my work is too bad to charge people money for. sheesh

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jduggan:

lol

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kormoc:

[00:50:14]

** kormoc laughs **

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justinh:

hmm. might aswell go for 1080p before I get too deep into this

[00:51:19]

wagnerrp:

the thread just... keeps... going...

[00:51:56]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I may have stoked the fire a teeeeeeeensy bit ;)

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directhex:

how often does gossamer-threads update tho?

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iamlindoro:

not often enough

[00:53:49]

iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /244609.html

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iamlindoro:

and the one after it are the latest

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wagnerrp:

i know someone who would actually amuse themselves by playing multiple people in a fight on IRC through proxies

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wagnerrp:

he enjoyed the reactions of the other people in the room

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iamlindoro:

we have one of those in here

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iamlindoro:

one of our channel villains played another person over the past few months and once had an argument with himself

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justinh:

emmceewho vs ?

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iamlindoro:

his bad self, of course

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iamlindoro:

at least now he's learned to block his IP so that enterprising folks like myself don't expose said skullduggery

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directhex:

is he still insisting milk is a whitey conspiracy?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

lol

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wagnerrp:

what about chocolate milk?

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directhex:

chocolate rain?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

pudding? oh no!

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wagnerrp:

i cant say i ever understood the intertube's fascination with chocolate rain

[01:01:42]

AlmightyOatmeal:

wtf is chocolate rain anyway?

[01:01:52]

AlmightyOatmeal:

thats like some willy wonka weirdness

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jduggan:

google.com

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AlmightyOatmeal:

nah, too much work

[01:02:08]

wagnerrp:

http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=chocolate+rain

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AlmightyOatmeal:

and not that interesting

[01:02:12]

wagnerrp:

that better?

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jduggan:

oh but it is

[01:02:22]

wagnerrp:

:P

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AlmightyOatmeal:

not interesting enough for me to waste the effort of copying and pasting a url into my browser

[01:02:50]

** iamlindoro waits for it **

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wagnerrp:

thats why we have beirdo!

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iamlindoro:

beirdo, murderer of links

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AlmightyOatmeal:

!google chocolate rain

[01:03:36]

AlmightyOatmeal:

see, how neat would a !google search addon be for a bot?

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iamlindoro:

I wonder what people who think the users list is so offensive would think if they were exposed the ffmpeg-dev

[01:03:47]

AlmightyOatmeal:

it would save me from a copy/paste storm thats for sure

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iamlindoro:

We have it

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iamlindoro:

it's just under a silly name

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directhex:

iamlindoro, or any list with theo de raadt on it?

[01:04:19]

iamlindoro:

do !trout then your name, then the search term

[01:04:24]

iamlindoro:

and it will send you the search results

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wagnerrp:

openbsd vs. the world!

[01:05:21]

iamlindoro:

directhex, Or that :)

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directhex:

iamlindoro, or, here's a way to get attacked: file a bug anywhere on the internet against cdrecord

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iamlindoro:

directhex, heh, not familiar with that particular culture, but I can imagine :)

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wagnerrp:

for those people who still feel the need to burn CDs?

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directhex:

iamlindoro, j0000rg schilling. he's a colossal tosspot

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justinh:

so, I'm in good company then. good to know :P

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iamlindoro:

directhex, Heh, now I must to the google!

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jams:

only problem i ever had with schilling was the need for keys.

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justinh:

aha! I DO have the non-mangled background still

[01:10:30]

jams:

but yes he can be a bit rough

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directhex:

sorry, but "this isn't a bug, it's caused by users running a different charset to me" is just... bad

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iamlindoro:

directhex, Heh, google tells me about this "Nyah nyah, can't change this line!" bit w/ SuSE, too

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directhex:

iamlindoro, how about the makefiles purposefully designed to break with gnu make, and only work with solaris make?

[01:15:35]

iamlindoro:

creeptastic!

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Anduin:

deliberate incompatibility is a good thing

[01:17:09]

wagnerrp:

depends on whether theres actually a reason for the incompatibility

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wagnerrp:

or if they just do it because they can

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Anduin:

not wanting to support other makes is a great reason

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Anduin:

if it once accidentally worked and suddenly doesn't is worse for all

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wagnerrp:

and now to attempt to bump the HDHR multirec stuff over to trunk...

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directhex:

the reason is "schilly hates things that aren't solaris"

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directhex:

this is a man who made his own opensolaris distro as soon as opensolaris appeared, consisting only of opensolaris base, plus cdrecord, plus a text editor...

[01:20:17]

wagnerrp:

what more do you need?

[01:20:39]

iamlindoro:

agreed! The text editor gives you everything you need to write the rest yourself!

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wagnerrp:

and the burner allows you to store off all that ascii porn you generate

[01:21:27]

directhex:

and his solution to gnu make was writing a clone of solaris make, called schilly make

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directhex:

i don't know if schillix had schilly make or solaris make though

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iamlindoro:

Heh, when your name + douchebag returns > 10 pages on google, you have troubles

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justinh:

iamlindoro: maybe, if you care what anybody really thinks

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Yes, but what about when the person in question is genuinely (apparently) a douche?

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wagnerrp:

actually, looking through this HDHR patch, it seems a good deal of it is backported from trunk

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directhex:

iamlindoro, http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/103515

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iamlindoro:

directhex, heh, I love that episode

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directhex:

Da Derp Dee Derp Da Teetley Derpee Derpee Dumb

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iamlindoro:

Heeheheheheheheheh

[01:42:11]

iamlindoro:

I just want to stay home tonight and read this

[01:42:13]

iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /244616.html

[01:42:33]

iamlindoro:

I totally enjoy the derisive use of everyone's first name

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Chutt:

any further replies will be met with a list removal.

[01:43:38]

wagnerrp:

but why, bill?

[01:43:39]

iamlindoro:

*shrug*, had no intention of responding any further

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Chutt:

you added enough.

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wagnerrp:

speaking of which... thunderbird seems to have locked up

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iamlindoro:

Don't think I was unreasonable or rude

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Chutt:

the first reply was plenty

[01:44:31]

Chutt:

the thread didn't need to continue past that.

[01:44:41]

Chutt:

ignore the idiots, and they go away.

[01:44:50]

Chutt:

reply to them, and things just carry on.

[01:45:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: wait, is "Delphi Real Estate" really Udo???

[01:45:22]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, His american cousin :)

[01:45:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: hehe... EXACTLY what I was thinking... ;-)

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justinh:

hmmm. definitely time to shred my data: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7364475.stm

[01:56:15]

justinh:

oh wait.. no need at all. panic over. blimmin thought police. what next..

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iamlindoro:

When I was in grad school I lived over a dance/night club place devoted to extreme fetish... interesting times :)

[02:00:12]

justinh:

a work colleague has gone over to Amsterdam again.. on his own... again (?) and he said there's an extreme extreme fetish film expo on. wonder what they call 'extreme' extreme

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justinh:

considering that's a place where they're only just debating to make bestiality illegal

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justinh:

the mind boggles

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kormoc:

justinh, bestiality wasn't illegal in Washington state till just a few years ago

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daum:

hey guys- i'm trying to setup mythvideo with my happauge pvr 350 how do i tell it to output via that? I already have mythtv otuputting via it but not sure how to get mythvideo to

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** iamlindoro waits patiently for Godwin's Law to be invoked in-thread **

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, that thread is *exactly* why I am not on -users

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hachi:

I've got three backends, and a frontend here

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hachi:

the frontend runs on the same machine as one of the backends, but not the master

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kormoc:

must be hard to find a chair

[02:27:51]

hachi:

now, when I watch TV from a backend that isn't on the same box as the frontend

[02:28:08]

hachi:

the recording times are not updated

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kormoc:

erm

[02:28:19]

hachi:

it always says I'm at position 0:01 of 0:01

[02:28:19]

kormoc:

you can't watch tv from a backend

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hachi:

ooop

[02:29:03]

hachi:

well, I mean when I watch TV from an input that is on a different backend than the machine I'm on

[02:29:27]

justinh:

sounds like a timezone snafu

[02:29:36]

kormoc:

or time

[02:29:38]

hachi:

could be, I'll double check that

[02:29:53]

justinh:

all machines must have the same TZ configured

[02:29:58]

kormoc:

nfs is a psudo requirement for multi-machine setups

[02:30:05]

justinh:

linux timezone, I mean

[02:30:43]

hachi:

yes

[02:31:17]

hachi:

kormoc: in what way? I have NFS set up in some places, but not in others

[02:31:22]

hachi:

I can watch the video just fine

[02:31:41]

hachi:

it's just the OSD shows me botched up data

[02:32:09]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, Yeah, I'm not entirely certain why I do read... maybe it's only not to leave the three or four sources of decent information all alone

[02:32:34]

kormoc:

hachi, erm... NTP not NFS, brain fart

[02:32:44]

hachi:

ahh, okay

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hachi:

NTP has been deployed for a few years here, so I'm good in that regard

[02:33:00]

hachi:

checking TZ is what I need to do

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justinh:

well, time for bed here

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** kormoc blinks **

[02:34:22]

kormoc:

MythVodka? It's bout time!

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AlmightyOatmeal:

fuck yeah it is!

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iamlindoro:

*cough*

[02:36:23]

AlmightyOatmeal:

but uh, could someone buy some for me? they card everyone here :(

[02:36:55]

** kormoc peers at his collection and picks out a Hanger One... **

[02:37:07]

AlmightyOatmeal:

hanger one?

[02:37:14]

** AlmightyOatmeal goes to kormoc's flat **

[02:37:26]

kormoc:

http://www.hangarone.com/

[02:37:58]

AlmightyOatmeal:

nice

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AlmightyOatmeal:

so its a party at kormoc's place, sweet..

[02:38:26]

** AlmightyOatmeal borrows the car **

[02:38:42]

kormoc:

it's always a party at kormoc's place!

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** kormoc waits for da ladies to show up **

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** AlmightyOatmeal grabs an air compressor **

[02:39:00]

AlmightyOatmeal:

:P

[02:39:10]

AlmightyOatmeal:

ooh, show up.. not blow up

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, if you have a minute, care to time your recorded page (with pixmaps) and then update to HEAD and time it again (ignoring the first load)?

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hachi:

any ideas why mythbackend would take up 20% cpu time on a backend for a Pinnacle 800i card, but only take up 1% for a PVR-150 ?

[02:43:07]

hachi:

seems like a bigger disconnect than I can attribute to just "HD"

[02:43:27]

AlmightyOatmeal:

hachi: the pinnacle is a framegrabber and the hauppauge has a hardware encoder

[02:43:37]

hachi:

pinnacle isn't turning analog

[02:43:41]

hachi:

it's on digital channels

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AlmightyOatmeal:

doesn't matter

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kormoc:

yes it does

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AlmightyOatmeal:

oh does it?

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hachi:

yeah, of course it does

[02:44:10]

hachi:

the dtv is just an mpeg stream leaving the card

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AlmightyOatmeal:

can't say it worked the same with my hd cards of the past

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kormoc:

erm

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kormoc:

it should have

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AlmightyOatmeal:

maybe it was the fact it was a 2.8ghz celeron, i dont really know

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kormoc:

most digital cards like that have two cards in one basically, the digital one and the analog one, and the analog on is a frame grabber, but the digital one is a direct stream dump

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AlmightyOatmeal:

but that was about a year ago

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** J-e-f-f-A has never used a frame grabber with MythTV... **

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hachi:

is there a discussion of good values for the bitrates and whatnot on a PVR-150?

[02:45:49]

AlmightyOatmeal:

i was using a ATI HTDV Wonder, digital/HD worked but analogue was unsupported

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hachi:

maybe I've just got that thing horribly under-tuned

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kormoc:

hachi, 2200 iirc is the default

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AlmightyOatmeal:

sillyness.

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kormoc:

I'm amazed that anything on that ati card was supported

[02:46:43]

AlmightyOatmeal:

hah

[02:46:50]

AlmightyOatmeal:

it wasn't too shabby, it worked

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AlmightyOatmeal:

except when in use :P

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hachi:

kormoc: uhhh, I've got mine set to 6000/7000, do I need to throw this into another machine and try to fix my settings?

[02:50:53]

hachi:

seems like I probably should

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rooaus:

hmmm, I suspect #6138 will be keenly watched!

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wagnerrp:

hachi: usually somewhere around 3–3.5GB/hr is where there is little additional quality improvement

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wagnerrp:

rooaus: yeah, i got excited... and then saw it was for -fixes...

[02:55:43]

rooaus:

Didn't think the code had changed much between fixes and trunk, but haven't looked at the svn logs though.

[02:56:20]

hachi:

okay, I'm running about 3GB/hour it seems

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wagnerrp:

rooaus: i actually started digging through it, i suspect most of the big 250K update is clipped out of the SD source

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wagnerrp:

it looks to primarily be copyright updates, and fixes to allow international channel frequencies for the DVB-T versionsd

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rooaus:

just saw there was at least a sd lib update, which I think is essentially just a "vendor drop".

[03:00:37]

rooaus:

Most promising for HDHomerun users is Daniel took the ticket pretty quickly and marked it 0.22, though that is not a undertaking, nor promise.

[03:01:26]

wagnerrp:

i imagine someone who knows what theyre doing with the code could merge that in with a couple hours of work

[03:02:47]

rooaus:

I am interested because there is meant to be an Australian version soon, I was going to help beta test but due to a family emergency could not justify the cost of purchasing the beta hardware at the time.

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hachi:

my display looks like it's having a vsync issue while playing back recorded things... both DTV and analog sources

[03:11:45]

hachi:

every once in a while you can see the desync line crawl down the screen

[03:12:04]

hachi:

however, I'm using a flat panel with DVI

[03:12:18]

hachi:

is this a buffering issue of some kind?

[03:12:37]

wagnerrp:

the video is rendered at a different rate than it is displayed

[03:13:02]

wagnerrp:

so its rendering the next frame halfway through outputting the previous

[03:13:05]

wagnerrp:

and you get the split

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hachi:

okay, so a blit issue

[03:13:48]

squish102:

i have TW cable, record up to 70 channels on SD, but only 5–7 HD qam unencrypted channels. Is there a future that the other HD channels that i get with the DVR will be available to tune?

[03:14:15]

wagnerrp:

a future?

[03:14:35]

wagnerrp:

a future possibility?

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squish102:

like will they ever be available for mythtv to tune

[03:14:54]

squish102:

or will i always need a dvr/cable box to get them

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wagnerrp:

there is firewire, in which you capture the feed directly off the STB

[03:15:12]

wagnerrp:

or the HDPVR, in which you capture the analog output of the STB

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squish102:

so does the STB replace the tuner?

[03:15:56]

squish102:

and you get the HD signal

[03:16:17]

wagnerrp:

but whether or not you can capture the content directly with a tuner card, that would require the providers to stop being complete dicks about protecting their content

[03:16:58]

wagnerrp:

i wont say that... the cablecos have good reason to encrypt the non-basic channels

[03:17:21]

wagnerrp:

it will take CableLabs to stop being complete dicks, and open up cablecard tuners to linux

[03:18:11]

wagnerrp:

if you capture using firewire, you are capturing the direct mpeg feed that you would otherwise pull off a QAM card

[03:18:34]

wagnerrp:

so it directly replaces the tuner

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squish102:

thanks wagnerrp, cleared it up for me

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tgm4883:

when adding allocsize to the mount options of an XFS partition, is this something I can do while there are a bunch of files on the disk, or do I need to remove all the files first?

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wagnerrp:

should be perfectly fine tuning those options on an existing file system

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wagnerrp:

however you may want to copy the files off the drive and then back on to defrag them, if you think fragmentation is an issue currently

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phunyguy:

hmmm

[04:09:34]

phunyguy:

transcode failed.

[04:09:45]

phunyguy:

guess i should look into that because 2 gigs an hour sucks

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tgm4883:

yea it is an issue, I've been running the defrag command on it and it gets pretty low, but I think I will move them off and back after I set that command, a semi-fresh start

[04:10:25]

tgm4883:

thanks wagnerrp

[04:11:13]

wagnerrp:

to be honest, i wouldnt bother with mythtranscode

[04:11:37]

wagnerrp:

ive never been a fan of nuvs

[04:12:10]

phunyguy:

nuvs?

[04:12:13]

wagnerrp:

i use it for lossless transcoding.... clipping commercials out of mpegs

[04:12:30]

wagnerrp:

reduces size by 25–30%

[04:12:41]

phunyguy:

thats still a huge file

[04:12:45]

wagnerrp:

the output from framegrabbers and transcoders are nuvs

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kormoc:

watch and delete is my matto

[04:13:15]

phunyguy:

well to each their own – i at least have to try it

[04:13:27]

wagnerrp:

nuvs = NuppleVideo files

[04:13:35]

phunyguy:

still dont know what that is

[04:13:48]

kormoc:

what mythtranscode transcodes into

[04:13:57]

Anduin:

a container, like avi

[04:14:02]

phunyguy:

you cant customize that to do something different?

[04:14:08]

Anduin:

No

[04:14:08]

wagnerrp:

nope

[04:14:11]

phunyguy:

boooo

[04:14:17]

Anduin:

ugh

[04:14:32]

phunyguy:

it said it failed anyway

[04:14:35]

phunyguy:

not sure why

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kormoc:

boo? Patches accepted...

[04:14:36]

wagnerrp:

its more advanced than avi, but there is exactly one user of it, mythtv

[04:14:49]

wagnerrp:

so theyre not very portable

[04:14:56]

phunyguy:

well thats kinda the point i guess

[04:15:05]

phunyguy:

they discourage sharing

[04:15:14]

wagnerrp:

to lock files into mythtv? thats absolutely not the point!

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** kormoc blinks **

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** phunyguy covers his ears **

[04:15:39]

kormoc:

the point is to get frame exact audio sync

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kormoc:

nothing else

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wagnerrp:

nuvs were a better option than avis back at the time

[04:16:08]

wagnerrp:

the time being '01 or '02

[04:16:20]

wagnerrp:

and no one has bothered changing this

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wagnerrp:

since most tuner cards dump mpegs anymore, theres not a real demand for it

[04:17:34]

phunyguy:

that was odd

[04:17:45]

phunyguy:

i was working on the mythbackend

[04:17:56]

phunyguy:

started mythbackend back up and it changed the channel on my wife

[04:18:16]

phunyguy:

she is watching tv straight off the dish reciever

[04:18:17]

phunyguy:

lol

[04:18:29]

phunyguy:

the damn irblaster put out channel 110 for some reason

[04:18:38]

phunyguy:

when i restarted the mythbackend

[04:18:40]

clever:

it goes to whatever it was recording last

[04:18:49]

phunyguy:

it wasnt recording anything

[04:18:51]

kormoc:

phunyguy, watch the language

[04:18:51]

phunyguy:

lol.

[04:19:00]

phunyguy:

what did i say?

[04:19:07]

kormoc:

swore

[04:19:24]

phunyguy:

are you serious?

[04:19:30]

kormoc:

yes

[04:19:38]

wagnerrp:

you said 'wife'

[04:19:39]

phunyguy:

still waiting on an answer..

[04:20:23]

phunyguy:

i have been in here for a few days with worse things than that said.

[04:20:25]

phunyguy:

so my bad.

[04:20:35]

kormoc:

I didn't see them

[04:20:47]

phunyguy:

please dont tell me you are one of those mods.

[04:20:53]

phunyguy:

im begging you,

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

[04:21:08]

phunyguy:

alright alright.

[04:21:11]

phunyguy:

shutting up.

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phunyguy:

can i say darn?

[04:22:39]

phunyguy:

dang?

[04:22:49]

phunyguy:

POO?

[04:22:53]

phunyguy:

:)

[04:23:11]

Vestor:

trying to run mythbuntu and and the only detected video input of my card is svideo. it has svideo, coax, composite and antenna.

[04:23:33]

phunyguy:

what kind of card?

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Vestor:

included ubuntu driver is saa7134.. my card is saa7133

[04:24:06]

phunyguy:

saa7134 helps me not.

[04:24:07]

Vestor:

Pinnacle PCTV

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phunyguy:

thanks

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J-e-f-f-A:

phunyguy: btw, that's normal behaivor for Myth... It assumes IT has full control of all the tuners attached to it... As it should... You won't find my dish network remotes in sight...

[04:24:30]

phunyguy:

yeah well im not fully set up yet, lol

[04:24:37]

phunyguy:

i just happened to have lirc set up

[04:24:52]

phunyguy:

so it went to its correct channel on her

[04:25:02]

phunyguy:

she got pi.... err peeved

[04:25:06]

phunyguy:

;)

[04:25:08]

Vestor:

i'm not gonna mess with lirc on mine

[04:25:24]

phunyguy:

lirc is tough

[04:25:28]

AlmightyOatmeal:

anyone got a spare hauppuage card they want to trade me? hehe :)

[04:25:29]

phunyguy:

but there are good websites out there

[04:25:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

nah, it's not that bad.

[04:25:32]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: i keep my remote on hand all the time for when lirc drops a digit

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phunyguy:

clever change your delay

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: I haven't dropped a digit in 2+ hears...

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phunyguy:

:P

[04:25:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

er... "years" even...

[04:26:00]

** tgm4883 has a spare PVR-150 **

[04:26:02]

phunyguy:

change it from .2 to .3 or whatever

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clever:

phunyguy: the problem is that io load sometimes turns the 'sleep 3' into 'sleep 45'

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** AlmightyOatmeal sits next to tgm4883 **

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DarkDrgn2k:

Hye any one suggest a way of converting my DVD (iso) movies to DIVX (or xvid) keeping subs and multiple audio tracks?

[04:26:09]

** J-e-f-f-A has a spare 150 and 350... **

[04:26:16]

AlmightyOatmeal:

:D

[04:26:17]

phunyguy:

that sucks.

[04:26:20]

phunyguy:

ERR

[04:26:21]

phunyguy:

stinks.

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tgm4883:

it about a month, i'll have a spare PVR-500 too

[04:26:32]

phunyguy:

yes dark

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phunyguy:

DarkDrgn2k: dvd::rip

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clever:

so it goes to channel 4, then channel 5, instead of 45

[04:26:56]

phunyguy:

sounds like you need more cores clever

[04:27:00]

wagnerrp:

phunyguy: does dvd::rip have OCR software for the subtitles?

[04:27:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever needs to update to faster hardware....

[04:27:09]

phunyguy:

OCR?

[04:27:12]

clever:

400mhz at the master backend

[04:27:18]

clever:

1.6ghz at the nfs root server

[04:27:20]

phunyguy:

that could be a problem clever

[04:27:33]

clever:

and the whole problem is IO load on the drive itself

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DarkDrgn2k:

hmmm dvd::rip

[04:27:42]

DarkDrgn2k:

:-S dam its linux based...

[04:27:43]

clever:

its not cpu related

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** AlmightyOatmeal nudges J-e-f-f-A_ **

[04:27:54]

phunyguy:

i have been using dvd::rip a long time, just never had a need for subs

[04:27:56]

DarkDrgn2k:

(my quad core is windows :-S)

[04:28:02]

phunyguy:

lol @ DarkDrgn2k

[04:28:11]

phunyguy:

come in here asking abotu windows apps?

[04:28:17]

phunyguy:

...wrong channel...

[04:28:31]

DarkDrgn2k:

phunyguy: ... i know i know... it was more of a "ahh man" then a compaint.. looks liek a good program

[04:28:39]

wagnerrp:

phunyguy: on DVDs, BRs, and HDDVDs, subtitles are all stored as videos streams, overlaid on top of the primary videos

[04:28:41]

phunyguy:

it's an awesome program

[04:28:45]

DarkDrgn2k:

phunyguy: its just i realized that out of all my comptuers i have at home the quadcore is windows :-S

[04:28:58]

wagnerrp:

you need a special OCR program to rip subtitles out of a movie

[04:29:01]

phunyguy:

well looks like you got one more linux box to create

[04:29:15]

clever:

my dual core is a windows laptop

[04:29:16]

phunyguy:

have you tried an older version of Gordian Knot?

[04:29:17]

DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: really? DVD subs are video strems?

[04:29:25]

kormoc:

yes

[04:29:27]

clever:

but i can network boot it from into linux

[04:29:36]

phunyguy:

i know the newer one didnt have all teh features/

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DarkDrgn2k:

phunyguy: i tried AutoGK but i think it burned the SUBS into the movie..

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** AlmightyOatmeal pokes J-e-f-f-A_ **

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J-e-f-f-A:

AlmightyOatmeal: What's up?

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phunyguy:

well try an older version

[04:30:05]

phunyguy:

the odler ones werent called "AutoGK"

[04:30:16]

phunyguy:

it was "Gordian Knot"

[04:30:19]

phunyguy:

spelling might be off

[04:30:25]

DarkDrgn2k:

phunyguy: AUTOGK is GK with AUTO scrips writen in :-P:

[04:30:27]

AlmightyOatmeal:

J-e-f-f-A_: i was trying to pm you hehe, but uh.. could i pm you? :)

[04:30:34]

phunyguy:

right?

[04:30:40]

phunyguy:

that isnt what you want obviously

[04:30:46]

phunyguy:

which is why i suggested the other one

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J-e-f-f-A:

AlmightyOatmeal: remove the "_"... that's my NX session...

[04:30:57]

phunyguy:

but whatever its windows so i dont care

[04:30:58]

AlmightyOatmeal:

oh

[04:31:01]

AlmightyOatmeal:

silly me o:)

[04:31:25]

DarkDrgn2k:

phunyguy: im gonna try dvd rip

[04:31:29]

DarkDrgn2k:

but on step back.

[04:31:33]

DarkDrgn2k:

Can you rip subs from DVDs?

[04:31:40]

phunyguy:

should be able to

[04:31:46]

phunyguy:

like i said, ive never had a reason to do subs

[04:31:50]

phunyguy:

so i cant help there

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wagnerrp:

DarkDrgn2k: yes, you need a special OCR software to do so

[04:31:58]

kormoc:

in text format? not easily

[04:32:02]

DarkDrgn2k:

AVI files can have multiple audoi tracks.

[04:32:16]

wagnerrp:

you dont want to use avi

[04:32:21]

wagnerrp:

use mkv or mp4

[04:32:22]

DarkDrgn2k:

mvk?

[04:32:30]

DarkDrgn2k:

hmm which are better?

[04:32:46]

wagnerrp:

mkv has more options, but mp4 has better support outside of PCs

[04:32:59]

DarkDrgn2k:

hmm sounds like mp4 is the way to go

[04:33:05]

DarkDrgn2k:

is mp4 have codec containers to (ie xvid)

[04:33:14]

wagnerrp:

i used to rip to mkvs, but i do to mp4s now so i can play them on my PS3

[04:33:17]

phunyguy:

how is it in quality and filesize compared to xvid?

[04:33:25]

kormoc:

it's a container

[04:33:26]

wagnerrp:

how is what?

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phunyguy:

mkv / mp4

[04:33:35]

wagnerrp:

you put 'xvid' inside 'mp4'

[04:33:37]

phunyguy:

either

[04:33:41]

phunyguy:

oh right

[04:33:43]

phunyguy:

hmm

[04:33:44]

wagnerrp:

you put 'xvid' inside 'mkv'

[04:33:46]

phunyguy:

container

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kormoc:

that's like asking 'Does the pasta taste better in a ziplock bag or a store brand bag'

[04:34:00]

phunyguy:

ziplock.

[04:34:03]

phunyguy:

easy answer

[04:34:12]

wagnerrp:

tupperware!

[04:34:17]

DarkDrgn2k:

LOL @ kormoc

[04:34:19]

phunyguy:

SealaMeal

[04:34:30]

phunyguy:

vaccuum sealed baby

[04:34:33]

wagnerrp:

self heater cup

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kormoc:

When the revolution comes, you'll all be first against the wall! FIRST I SAY!

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phunyguy:

i clearly need more video inputs

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phunyguy:

1 isn't cutting it

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wagnerrp:

subrip is the only program ive used for subtitles, but its a windows program

[04:35:48]

phunyguy:

wine?

[04:36:03]

DarkDrgn2k:

cheeze

[04:36:13]

wagnerrp:

http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/subrip.htm

[04:36:47]

DarkDrgn2k:

what format can you save subs in AVI or MVK or MP4 files?

[04:36:58]

wagnerrp:

text

[04:37:16]

wagnerrp:

i dont know if either support video overlay subs

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kormoc:

I don't believe they do

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[04:37:27]

cesman:

if ripping a DVD, I've had great success w/ dvd::rip and subtitles

[04:37:45]

wagnerrp:

cesman: to softsubs? or hardsubs?

[04:38:07]

DarkDrgn2k:

you know what.. ive seen an AVI file i got of the net

[04:38:17]

DarkDrgn2k:

that had 2 audio tracks AND an optional sub track

[04:38:29]

wagnerrp:

AVIs do not have subtitles

[04:38:32]

DarkDrgn2k:

played it on my WII (geexbox) and it let me select them

[04:38:35]

DarkDrgn2k:

on or off

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wagnerrp:

and they only have two audio tracks through some fugly hack

[04:39:08]

wagnerrp:

subtitles for avis are kept as external files

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DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: not this avi i saw,,,, must be anothyer hack

[04:39:27]

clever:

or its just mkv in a .avi file, and noobs thinking its avi:P

[04:39:35]

DarkDrgn2k:

hmm might of been

[04:39:42]

DarkDrgn2k:

like i said i didnt pay to much attentiosn

[04:39:48]

DarkDrgn2k:

and it was mplayer after all

[04:39:57]

clever:

i can store my video in a .foo file if i want, and most linux players wont care

[04:40:01]

Chutt:

avi can have subtitles.

[04:40:48]

tank-man:

two audio tracks in an avi can be created with ffmpeg

[04:40:52]

phunyguy:

what is useonairguide when looking at the channel info in mythweb?

[04:40:53]

tank-man:

what do you mean ugly hack

[04:41:22]

Chutt:

and multiple audio/video tracks are part of the original avi format, there's no hack involved.

[04:41:39]

cesman:

wagnerrp: hard

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DarkDrgn2k:

dam i just want to be able to fit more movies on a harddrive without having to go out and by 1tb hrds

[04:42:03]

wagnerrp:

really? i thought they were only designed to have one of each stream

[04:42:30]

Chutt:

no, i'm lying to you.

[04:42:35]

AlmightyOatmeal:

LIES!

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tank-man:

im not lying

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i wasn't paying attention, sorry

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** wagnerrp must investigate this further **

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Chutt:

just need multiple strh headers, etc

[04:44:32]

Chutt:

streams are numbered in order they show up in the header

[04:44:53]

Chutt:

and then packets are labelled with the stream #

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DarkDrgn2k:

y

[04:45:03]

Chutt:

so, easily handles multiple audio streams.

[04:45:08]

Chutt:

or multiple video streams

[04:45:24]

Chutt:

i mean, i guess it's limited to 99 streams in a file, but

[04:45:29]

Chutt:

that'd be kinda silly.

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wagnerrp:

ok, i guess i thought since most players didnt support flipping between streams natively, it was not a native feature

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tank-man:

my cheap dvd standalone that plays xvids can play multiple audio tracks

[04:49:39]

wagnerrp:

perhaps now, but you used to need a special DShow filter to flip between audio tracks in windows

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hachi:

ugh

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hachi:

with my digital tuner card... in 'watch tv' mode... far too often do I get an error of "Erorr was encountered while displaying video"

[05:41:19]

hachi:

which then kicks me all the way out to the menu

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hachi:

anyone know how to deal with this?

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tijoev:

aloha all

[05:58:45]

tijoev:

I have gotten .21 to one to install finally on my old distro

[05:59:18]

tijoev:

one thing I am not sure of is the message I get when I run mythbacked --version

[05:59:42]

tijoev:

MythTV Version : Unknown MythTV Branch : tags/release-0–21 Library API : 0.21.20080304–1 Network Protocol : 40

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tijoev:

the unknown has got me concerned

[06:00:06]

tijoev:

is this right?

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Anduin:

tijoev: it just means you built from a tarball and rebuilt version.cpp

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Anduin:

tijoev: and even though the web site sucks when it comes to info about it, you shouldn't download the tarball, it contains known bugs fixed ages ago

[06:21:53]

tijoev:

thanks

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tijoev:

i will use the SVN tree after i rebuild this box

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tjcarter:

well, so THAT mystery was anti-climactic.

[06:24:33]

** tjcarter just watched the latest BSG **

[06:24:45]

** Anduin guessed it was about BSG **

[06:25:58]

tjcarter:

Anduin: A freakin' year and THAT IS ALL WE GET for an answer?

[06:26:19]

tjcarter:

The writers are gonna get lynched.

[06:26:30]

Anduin:

there are more episodes, though personally I prefer to be disappointed at the end of the series

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tjcarter:

They contemplated this might be the last episode

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tjcarter:

ending it like that

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tjcarter:

would have just sucked.

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** cesman clears screen as he is way behind on BSG **

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tjcarter:

cesman: I won't give spoilers.

[06:28:15]

cesman:

:)

[06:28:19]

clever:

dang compiz

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tjcarter:

It's just one of those, "..all you can come up with is 42?"

[06:28:38]

clever:

i turned my head for a second and saw the screen fading from black->normal

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clever:

thought my eyes where going:P

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hachi:

anyone know how I can diagnose a really slow channel change and recording start on a backend?

[06:46:45]

hachi:

http://nopaste.snit.ch/15346

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hachi:

13 seconds to start up

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Gumby:

hi all. when playing back h264 content there are pauses in the video/audio and I havnt been able to completely get rid of them. I see this in the frontend log " Audio -66 ms behind video but already 75 video frames queued. AV-Sync might be broken." but it doesnt happen each time there is a pause (it does most of the time but not all). can anyone suggest what I should look into?

[06:53:13]

Gumby:

it sometimes goes for 30 seconds to a minute without pausing though

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Similian:

boy i love my miff tv

[10:21:28]

Similian:

!time

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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Similian:

:)

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lyricnz:

Stuff that should be simple, is just a fscking pain

[10:47:15]

lyricnz:

Like, playing a video, in fullscreen without skipping. Seesh.

[10:47:25]

laga:

buy a real computer

[10:48:56]

lyricnz:

E7300 @ 2.66GHz, nvidia 8xxx series, 2GB ram. Whaddya need?

[10:49:27]

lyricnz:

Actually GeForce 9400 GT with 512MB of ram.

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kormoc:

taking a pile of ones and zeros, applying high order mathematics to them then send to a device that updates millions of physical light producing devices tons of times per second is simple?

[10:50:47]

lyricnz:

Ain't no high-order mathematics in a frame buffer, and my 1.6Ghz windows machine, with *worse* gpu, can play it just fine.

[10:51:05]

lyricnz:

-vo null plays it with <5% cpu

[10:51:12]

** kormoc shrugs **

[10:51:12]

lyricnz:

(mplayer, by comparison)

[10:51:27]

kormoc:

so use mplayer if you don't want to deal with video encoding/decoding

[10:52:21]

lyricnz:

The problem aint myth, that works okay apart from the crashes – the problem is crappy linux video drivers, I suspect.

[10:53:30]

kormoc:

Given everyone else has fairly good luck with the nvidia drivers, I'd suspect it's more you didn't set it up correctly

[10:54:36]

lyricnz:

Could be. Just a livna/fusion rpm. xorg.log looks fine, loading the right driver. Glxgears gets around 4000 fps, so gpu acceleration working fine.

[10:55:11]

kormoc:

what video format are you playing and what driver output style are you using?

[10:55:19]

lyricnz:

That's precisely my point, anyway. Linux, such a fucking hassle. And I say this as someone who's been running it for 16 years, including 5 years on my desktop, before I got wise and bought a mac.

[10:55:37]

lyricnz:

Um, let me check:)

[10:55:49]

kormoc:

watch the language in here

[10:56:02]

lyricnz:

The file I was trying to play today : RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 680 x 278, 23.98 fps, video: DivX 5, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz)

[10:56:17]

lyricnz:

at 1920x1080 via DVI

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kormoc:

and the output style? (XV/XvMC/X11SHM/VDPAU/etc)

[10:56:56]

lyricnz:

I'm playing it now -vo null -ao null, and that's < 3% CPU.

[10:57:16]

lyricnz:

Normally I'd use xv, but that made a big green bar on the screen.

[10:57:23]

lyricnz:

x11 didn't scale to fullscreen properly

[10:57:28]

lyricnz:

so I tried gl and gl2

[10:57:40]

lyricnz:

They more-or-less work, but showed some shearing, and high cpu

[10:57:51]

kormoc:

I'd say that driver RPM is broken, personally I'd remove it and just grab the driver from nvidia.com

[10:58:15]

lyricnz:

the xorg log looks perfect, everything detected/loaded as you would expect.

[10:58:22]

lyricnz:

nv binary rpm

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kormoc:

ooh

[10:58:33]

lyricnz:

nvidia

[10:58:35]

lyricnz:

real one

[10:58:36]

kormoc:

nv != nvidia in driver terms

[10:58:38]

lyricnz:

not stupid oss crap

[10:58:44]

lyricnz:

i was lazy typing

[10:58:49]

lyricnz:

yeah, I mean nvidia driver

[10:59:00]

lyricnz:

[simon@localhost RocknRolla]$ lsmod | grep nv

[10:59:00]

lyricnz:

nvidia 7807896 46

[10:59:00]

lyricnz:

i2c_core 29216 2 i2c_i801,nvidia

[10:59:00]

lyricnz:

[simon@localhost RocknRolla]$

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kormoc:

well, a lot of the times those RPM's have custom patches and all that, so it all depends on where you got it with what it may or may not have

[10:59:25]

kormoc:

nvidia vanilla drivers tend to work better imho

[10:59:35]

** lyricnz checks the .spec file **

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laga:

note: on ubuntu, it's not recommended that you install the vanilla drivers (recommended by the ubuntu guys, that is)

[11:00:27]

kormoc:

if you're running rpm's on ubuntu, you already have issues :P

[11:00:35]

laga:

yeah :)

[11:00:37]

** lyricnz chuckles **

[11:01:02]

** laga moar tea **

[11:03:12]

lyricnz:

kormoc: now, tell me honestly. Linux is awesome, and powerful, and so on. But it's such a [flipping] hassle. Maybe less these days, but still.

[11:03:25]

lyricnz:

bluetooth, wireless, video drivers, power management, ...

[11:03:27]

lyricnz:

All suck

[11:03:43]

lyricnz:

(yes, a common component there – hardware)

[11:03:56]

kormoc:

personally, I enjoy how it is a lot more then windows/os x for things that are not say, mission critical (meaning company assets)

[11:04:20]

kormoc:

(unless it's a stable thing, like web servers and that style, widely used stuff)

[11:04:27]

** lyricnz persisted, for a very long time, with linux on the desktop. But finally gave up. **

[11:05:53]

** lyricnz checks the .spec file – no patches or modifications, they simply wrap the nvidia binary (straight from their archive) in rpm stuff. No compilation at all, from what I can tell **

[11:06:19]

** lyricnz getting some deps to build it himself, to be sure **

[11:07:50]

laga:

weird. power management, bluetooth, wireless, video drivers all worked OOTB on this laptop :)

[11:08:23]

mchou:

lyricnz: what version is nvidia driver?

[11:08:41]

lyricnz:

the machine I'm trying to get behaving here, is a straight *cough* fedora 10 install, with livna added, and myth/nvidia installed from that repo.

[11:08:58]

mchou:

lyricnz: what version nvidia driver?

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kormoc:

wasn't livna replaced by rpmfusion?

[11:09:29]

lyricnz:

Yeah, same diff. It upgrade itself, now it's rpmfusion. Mostly the same spec files.

[11:09:56]

lyricnz:

177.82 ? Does that look like a nvidia driver version?

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kormoc:

that does

[11:10:17]

mchou:

lyricnz: at least it's not 180.x

[11:10:26]

lyricnz:

they're bad?

[11:10:27]

mchou:

lyricnz: has know issues

[11:10:33]

mchou:

known*

[11:10:38]

Dibblah:

Does anyone know an alternative to time that outputs some useful stats?

[11:10:48]

** lyricnz kindof trusts rpmfusion not to do stupid stuff, most of the time. **

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kormoc:

they're up to 180.22 or so now

[11:11:16]

Dibblah:

" On systems that do not have a wait3(2) call that returns status information, the times(2) system call is used instead. However, it provides much less information"

[11:11:33]

Dibblah:

Which appears to be true on Linux.

[11:11:44]

mchou:

dont use 180.x not unless you want to be in a world of hurt

[11:12:02]

kormoc:

I have wait3 in sys/wait.h

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lyricnz:

So, if -vo null plays fine, and -vo xv gets a big stripe of green on the screen ... what are the alternatives?

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lyricnz:

-vo gl2 used 100% of one of the cpus, and had shearing/skipping.

[11:12:27]

Dibblah:

-vo help

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kormoc:

I'd update the drivers and try again with xv, as that shouldn't happen

[11:12:39]

lyricnz:

Yeah, duh. MOst of the options are junk :)

[11:12:44]

mchou:

lyricnz: those are mplayer settings. not myth

[11:13:00]

mchou:

lyricnz: go ask the mplayer dudes what's up

[11:13:02]

laga:

fix your setup ;)

[11:13:09]

lyricnz:

Yeah, I know – myth has basically the same problem. I figure it's a gfx driver issue, and fixing that'll fix everything.

[11:13:26]

lyricnz:

It's prolly a linux issue more than anything.

[11:13:48]

** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

[11:14:05]

kormoc:

so a driver issue becomes a 'linux' issue?

[11:14:40]

lyricnz:

Fine. A Linux _driver_ issue then

[11:15:52]

laga:

kormoc: no, wait. a proprietary driver issues becomes a "linux" issue

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laga:

it's getting better :)

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lyricnz:

Oh relax. I'm a linux guy, just very frustrated with myth crashes, and sucky performance.

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mchou:

holy shit. flash memory prices have cratered

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mchou:

use to be ~$2/GB. now $1.25

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mchou:

umm, $1.10

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yalu:

ok I don't understand this. in section 10.5 of the manual I read this (it's about recording profiles): for each hardware encoder type, there are 4 profiles by default: default, live tv, high and low quality (check).

[11:58:06]

yalu:

"Selecting a profile will allow you to adjust the relevant options for that card. The most significant setting is the recording resolution, but you can also choose encoding format, audio format, and tweak other encoder specific properties"

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yalu:

I can't see any of these options

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yalu:

there is the name of the profile and the auto transcode after recording option on page1, and a "recording type" dropdown at page 2. that's it.

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Similian:

question !

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Similian:

mythgame plugin and scummvm ?

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Dibblah:

yalu: Those options are only available on cards that encode the stream.

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Dibblah:

Not DVB-* ATSC or PVR-HD.

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yalu:

Dibblah: ah, you mean those thingies that are made to receive analog signals. maybe someone should put that as a little note in the manual

[12:09:05]

yalu:

because indeed I have a dvb card. slightly confusing.

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yalu:

sincce I started recording a few weeks ago, I already have 35 GB of recordings so I'm looking at transcoding. and at a bigger hard disk :p

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Dibblah:

Just go for a bigger HD.

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Dibblah:

Transcoding really isn't worth the pain.

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yalu:

you are serious.

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yalu:

I would say "how painful can it be", but after configuring mythtv, I know better, I'm afraid...

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Dibblah:

Feel free to try it :)

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Dibblah:

It's more due to the CPU usage needed.

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yalu:

yeah, I would actually like to offload all the encoding to another backend if that's possible... sine I'm running on a via 1.3 GHz here.

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Chicago:

What's the best way to do a five way coax splitter? (while attempting to preserve signal integrity)

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AlmightyOatmeal:

put an amplifier before the splitter

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Chicago:

Isn't there something more industrial?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

as in don't use a 5 way splitter if you don't expect 7db signal loss?

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Chicago:

Yes

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AlmightyOatmeal:

on each port*

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AlmightyOatmeal:

well there you go, two answers, take your pick ;)

[13:52:33]

Chicago:

Next question, I just got an HVR-1600 online. But my picture looks corrupt and the logfile shows plenty of problems with the stream. http://pastebin.ca/1311577 Can you suggest what might be a solution to the problem?

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Chicago:

I'm full of "ac-tex damaged... mb incr damaged, frame CRC mismatch, skipped MB... " things like this.

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AlmightyOatmeal:

is that recieving a hd/digital signal?

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Chicago:

Yes

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AlmightyOatmeal:

it looks like you don't have a good signal lock on that channel or your antenna is b0rked

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Chicago:

Clear QAM digital cable.

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AlmightyOatmeal:

well isn't that odd

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Chicago:

Are you being sarcastic?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

not really

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Chicago:

ok

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Chicago:

Same results with this card in two other boxes.

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AlmightyOatmeal:

you could try upgrading your kernel to see if there is better support for the card

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Chicago:

I moved the card around into different machines.

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jduggan:

woo, segfault in .21-fixes trying to play a .iso ( DVD iso)

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Chicago:

2.6.27 with linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb is what I'm running right now.

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AlmightyOatmeal:

also, iirc, there is a blurb on either the mythtv wiki or ivtv wiki about the 1600 not working

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Chicago:

I pulled form the repo about an hour ago.

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Chicago:

The tuner does have a problem getting a lock on at least one channel which it detected during a channel scan.

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Chicago:

For every channel, the Signal always reads zero percent (maybe not implemented in the driver) but I do get S/N db numbers.

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AlmightyOatmeal:

doesn't sound like its supported by the driver yet

[14:02:59]

AlmightyOatmeal:

keep on top of a new kernel like a pack of wolves in a three legged cat

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Chicago:

yeah

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Chicago:

That and I am going to look at ensuring that the CC is ignored... seems that could be a potential cause for problem, since the CC is f'd up too.

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karl_:

hi. My automatic transcode jobs are not started. They are enabled in the backend and in my schedule, however, only the commercial flagging seems to start. Version: 0.21

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karl_:

Transcoding works when I start it manually

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karl_:

any ideas ?

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yalu:

if you configure a slave backend, do you need the exact same storage locations saved at the exact same locations, or could you eg. export /data/recordings and /data/recordings2 via nfs on the master backend, and mount it on /mnt/rec1 resp. /mnt/rec2 on the slave and add those directories to the storage directories on the respective backends?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

yes.

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yalu:

that's cool

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yalu:

another one. still pondering about transcoding. suppose you disallow transcoding and comercial flagging on the master, but not on a slave, what will happen if the slave is off line at the moment you finish a recording? will it fail, or hold the transcode job until a slave backend is available?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

excellent question

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yalu:

yeah, I'm good at that.

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wagnerrp:

yalu: it will probably just sit in the queue until a machine that can fulfill the task comes online

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wagnerrp:

yalu: if this slave backend doesnt have any tuners, but is just running on a frontend, you may want to look into mythjobqueue

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Chicago:

What does this error from the mythbackend.log mean? Error: offset>181, pes length & current can not be queried

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Chicago:

Its from a DVB tuner source.

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AlmightyOatmeal:

Chicago: not enough kittens have been put in your computer

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Chicago:

AlmightyOatmeal: I switched up to 2.6.28 + http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb.

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AlmightyOatmeal:

so you have extra kittens, hmm

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Chicago:

What do you mean kittens?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

exactly.

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Chicago:

Are you saying I need to provide more information

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Chicago:

?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

no..

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i was screwing with your head

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Chicago:

haha

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AlmightyOatmeal:

you have the hauppauge 1600 right?

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Chicago:

Yes

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i still think its a driver bug or something where someone hasn't properly setup the 1600 for its full capabilities

[16:07:02]

Chicago:

The 'modinfo cx18' parameter list doesn't come right out and say "Make these buffers extra big so it works for you."

[16:07:32]

AlmightyOatmeal:

if you say so

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Chicago:

The parameter list is for the 'encoder'.... wouldn't that just be for the analog part of the hybrid card?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

most likely

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Gomez:

Hi

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Chicago:

Terminated with: MythSocket(9dd9628:-1): writeData: Error, socket went unconnected, and then MythSocket(9dd96d8:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected.

[16:10:13]

Gomez:

i trying to get dbox2 and mythtv working. Some1 how it works?

[16:10:16]

Chicago:

Is myth demuxing the transport stream to give me a program stream from the DVB input? If so, can I just get the TS?

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Chicago:

eh.... going offline, needs to disconnect cable modem and remove all the extra connections from the line to see if its an physical link issue.

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thefRont:

this is weird

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** AlmightyOatmeal licks thefRont **

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AlmightyOatmeal:

no, that was weird

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thefRont:

hrhr

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thefRont:

I'm still typing ;)

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AlmightyOatmeal:

type faster :P

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thefRont:

I just created a cutlist for a recording. After that I manually ran mythtranscode to create a new mpeg2 file out of the recording.

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thefRont:

In my frontend it's not using the new recording (eventually because mythtranscode just created a .tmp file and I have to remove the old file and rename the .tmp file

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thefRont:

but now I even can't edit the cutlist anymore. It just says "not searchable" when I press E to start edit mode

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thefRont:

what's wrong?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

someone hacked the matrix :(

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thefRont:

maybe

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thefRont:

or maybe this is a bug in mythtv

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thefRont:

that's why I'm asking

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i haven't the faintest idea

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thefRont:

edit mode still works in other recordings though

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thefRont:

oh, it says "not seekable" instead of "not searchable"

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thefRont:

my bad...

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AlmightyOatmeal:

that changes everything

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thefRont:

it's almost like the recording doesn't have keyframes anymore but it's still seekable in VLC and other players

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AlmightyOatmeal:

kidding, i have no idea

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thefRont:

hmm

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thefRont:

damn

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thefRont:

well...I will ask again later

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phunyguy:

hmmm anyone in here -use dish network?

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Gomez:

i trying to get dbox2 and mythtv working. Some1 how it works?

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Gomez:

only for recording

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justinh:

Gomez: doesn't work very well last time I tried it. poor dbox2 only has 10base ethernet, and http streaming SDTV eats nearly all of it up

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iamlindoro:

munch munch

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AlmightyOatmeal:

munchies!

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AlmightyOatmeal:

;)

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justinh:

I ended up using a PVR150 card & http channel changer script

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justinh:

eventually I got rid of the dodgy, hackish crap on ebay & got more than I paid for it :P

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Gomez:

justinh: to bad. but thx i will find an other way...

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phunyguy:

hmmm

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justinh:

Gomez: if you can figure out how to make the dbox stream properly you might be able to use mythtv's IPTV recorder. I found it too crashy

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phunyguy:

i am hating dish network more and more with this myth project.

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justinh:

the dbox I mean

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justinh:

somebody tried making the udp streaming work.. I dunno if anybody ever succeeded though

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Gomez:

justinh: it works well in streaming to vlc, but i cant make mythtv find the dbox

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phunyguy:

any time an interactive map or a message is on the screen, it ignores channel changing ir events

[17:46:24]

phunyguy:

interactive app*

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phunyguy:

so i need to clean up my schedules direct lineup

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phunyguy:

if i accidentally select a channel in the guide that i didn't order, it brings up an interactive app to order it.

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keith_:

there used to be a key to change tuners... is that no longer the case?

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justinh:

see keys.txt

[18:19:15]

keith_:

I am

[18:19:41]

keith_:

is "Change to the next available tuner card input" the old "change inputs on the card" plus "change cards" combined?

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justinh:

awww somebody's calling people a bunch of liars on -users again

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thefRont:

ok, I'm back and I hope someone is here now who can help me with my problem

[18:39:01]

thefRont:

I just created a cutlist for a recording. After that I manually ran mythtranscode to create a new mpeg2 file out of the recording.

[18:39:23]

thefRont:

but now I even can't edit the cutlist anymore. It just says "not seekable" when I press E to start edit mode

[18:39:34]

thefRont:

it's almost like the recording doesn't have keyframes anymore but it's still seekable in VLC and other players

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phunyguy:

is there something special I have to do to get transcoding to work?

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justinh:

thefRont: you manually ran mythtranscode on the file, so it probably hasn't rebuilt the seektable for the file. mythcommflag --rebuild $filename, if I remember right

[18:41:14]

phunyguy:

i just get an error

[18:41:28]

phunyguy:

when i queue up the trranscode job it just fails.

[18:41:35]

phunyguy:

of course i haven'tconfigured anything

[18:41:52]

thefRont:

justinh: I've run mythtranscode with --chanid and --starttime

[18:42:10]

thefRont:

does it still not update the seektable then?

[18:42:19]

thefRont:

-still

[18:42:39]

keith_:

I have two tuners. I just started 2 recordings, one on each. I can watch both of these recordings in the frontend. If I watch LiveTV, it starts me on the 2nd recording, and I can watch other channels that are in the same multiplex, but I can't change to the other tuner

[18:42:40]

phunyguy:

but i didn't think there was much to configure... if so, where are the options?

[18:43:21]

justinh:

no idea

[18:43:41]

justinh:

possibly not, if you don't have a seektable at the end of it :)

[18:43:43]

phunyguy:

strange that is just fails.

[18:47:03]

thefRont:

justinh: thanks. I've just rebuilt the seektable.

[18:47:19]

justinh:

damn. can't remember how to do title statetypes in menu-ui.xml

[18:47:35]

thefRont:

it's still strange that mythtranscode didn't rebuilt it.

[18:47:43]

thefRont:

anyway. it's working again. thanks

[18:48:19]

phunyguy:

2009-01–17 23:23:33.938 Please ensure that recording profiles for the transcoder are set

[18:48:23]

phunyguy:

hmmm

[18:48:26]

phunyguy:

where might i set that?

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thefRont:

ok, that brings me straight to another question. the reason I manually executed mythtranscode was a) running a transcode job through the frontend failed with error 240 and b) it doesn't recognizes my new profile I created.

[18:50:51]

phunyguy:

ahh i was lookign on the backend

[18:50:53]

phunyguy:

doh

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thefRont:

so what is this error 240? I can't find anything in the docs

[18:59:09]

thefRont:

ok, error 240 solved...that's because I aborted the transcode through the frontend but wondered why it still said that it's transcoding ;)

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thefRont:

am I right when I say, there is no way to create new transcoder profiles, just recording profiles?

[19:08:03]

phunyguy:

is there normally a difference in picture quality between RF TV out and svideo out?

[19:08:27]

Anduin:

Yes

[19:08:34]

phunyguy:

big time?

[19:08:38]

iamlindoro:

yes

[19:08:43]

phunyguy:

svideo betterer?

[19:08:46]

iamlindoro:

much

[19:08:57]

phunyguy:

dangit ok.

[19:09:32]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, I donno if you guy my message last night, but if you happen to be running -trunk and can update mythweb to HEAD and time the recorded page, that'd be awsome, but no worries if not

[19:10:00]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, Sure, no problem

[19:10:10]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, I got it but only this morning

[19:11:30]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, Uhhhhhhh

[19:11:35]

iamlindoro:

there's just no comparison

[19:11:42]

kormoc:

snaz

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iamlindoro:

8 seconds to... I dunno, but less than one

[19:11:55]

kormoc:

how many recordings?

[19:11:56]

iamlindoro:

What'd you do?

[19:12:07]

iamlindoro:

37

[19:12:09]

kormoc:

removed the requirements for pixmaps to be generated inline

[19:12:18]

iamlindoro:

It's night and day

[19:13:05]

kormoc:

the old style had the pixmap generation blocking every time it outputted a row, this new way relies on the backend to handle all that and mythweb is now a simple passthough to the backend and doesn't block the page rendering

[19:13:34]

kormoc:

also, added some (fairly aggressive) caching of the pixmaps on the client side, so refreshes should be even faster

[19:13:41]

iamlindoro:

Well great job!

[19:13:52]

iamlindoro:

I never would have called it slow, but in context...

[19:14:08]

kormoc:

:)

[19:14:28]

iamlindoro:

I can imagine it'll be huge for people with lots of recordings

[19:14:52]

kormoc:

I went from 108 seconds to around 18 (411 recordings) from the changes over the past 2 days or so

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iamlindoro:

wow, sweet

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc: Those changes made a huge difference for me too

[19:18:17]

GreyFoxx:

the page appears to load almost instantly now

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kormoc:

awesome

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iamlindoro:

Oooh, neato, two episodes of lost per week, at least for the next two weeks

[19:34:26]

laga:

season five?

[19:34:38]

iamlindoro:

yep

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laga:

i haven't even seen season four yet. i think it's being broadcast

[19:35:33]

iamlindoro:

Season 4 was good, and now they're actually moving towards a conclusion so that helps

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laga:

ah

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laga:

so i should watch those

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iamlindoro:

I liked it-- looks great on Blu-ray, too (1080p versus 720p)

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usg990a:

What's the best way to test the trunk svn version of myth (for VDPAU support) without breaking my existing 0.21-release-fixes setup?

[19:46:07]

usg990a:

I am planni ng on building a separate machine to test with but was not sure if it would force an upgrade of the existing mythconverg db

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fuxxy:

usg990a, I've asked a few times, 0.21 is not compatible with 0.22 in any fashion

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usg990a:

how could I isolate the test system?

[19:47:05]

usg990a:

other than not pluggin it in to the network

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fuxxy:

usg990a, you can turn off upnp, which is what I did

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usg990a:

Ahhhh.... light bulb... thanks

[19:48:00]

usg990a:

how much success have folks had with vdpau support?

[19:48:11]

cesman:

when you upgrade from one version to the next, starting MythTV will updated the db schema

[19:48:52]

usg990a:

I should be able to just setup a different db in the config files, right? i.e instead of mythconveg change to mythtest?

[19:49:16]

cesman:

not as far as I'm aware

[19:49:20]

Anduin:

Yes

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Anduin:

You would need to change mc.sql, but everything else will work with a different name

[19:50:14]

iamlindoro:

better just to isolate it entirely if there's any concern you might misconfigure it, however

[19:50:34]

usg990a:

cool beans... I want to test it but due to WAF I cannot afford to break the existing install.

[19:50:54]

Anduin:

backups, for when you make a mistake

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usg990a:

I guess worst case scenario I can drop the db and rebuild from my nightly backups

[19:51:35]

usg990a:

Thanks for the help. what other changes are in trunk vs 0.21?

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kormoc:

usg990a, to many to list

[19:52:05]

usg990a:

main points?

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cesman:

check the wiki

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iamlindoro:

svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/

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gbee:

that's just cruel, it would take days to read the complete commit logs between 0.21 and 0.22 :)

[19:53:34]

usg990a:

thanks. I'll check the link and the wiki

[19:53:36]

gbee:

err, trunk

[19:54:24]

iamlindoro:

gbee, you're right, let's just summarize the changes on demand instead ;)

[19:54:55]

kormoc:

"Improved rocken-ness of mythtv" is my summary

[19:55:07]

usg990a:

sorry didn't mean to make it a big deal. just curious. the link to the log and the wiki will do fine

[19:55:39]

iamlindoro:

usg990a, We're more joking among ourselves, it's not at your expense

[19:55:49]

justinh:

whee this is really beginning to suck less now :)

[19:56:01]

usg990a:

I like the "improved rocken-ness" idea!

[19:57:01]

gbee:

amazing level of ignorance about firmware/softwares ability to damage hardware

[19:57:09]

kormoc:

gbee, ooh?

[19:57:45]

gbee:

just took a peek at the user list where people are disputing that the nvidia driver could trash a card

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usg990a:

forgive the stupidity of the question but does a USB device have to support wakeup (acpi S3) or just the system? working on getting wakeup from usb remote

[19:57:45]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, It even concerns your experience :)

[19:57:54]

** kormoc laughs **

[19:58:04]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, I was called a liar, it was fun

[19:58:11]

iamlindoro:

well, not called, so much as alluded

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Chutt:

driver probably didn't have enough guards against the user passing in bad pointers

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Chutt:

so kormoc's change made it copy the image who-knows-where

[19:58:36]

kormoc:

aye

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gbee:

kormoc: they reckon you must have thrown it across the room

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** kormoc laughs **

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Jake1:

I'm having a problem with "Optical Discs -> Import DVD". Disc play is fine, mtd is running and recognizes disks and events, the only clue I'm going on is that I get eight entry lines (all identical) in /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log on entering the rip screen (which displays the familiar "No Jobs. Checking and/or waiting for DVD.". The line is "dvdripbox.o: Asked to add an audio track for a title that doesn't exist".

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Chutt:

and i really imagine it's fixeable

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gbee:

if it's a simple case of firmware being damaged, then I'd guess so

[20:00:04]

gbee:

if it's that the firmware was able to supply too much voltage somewhere, then probably not

[20:00:07]

kormoc:

I haven't found a official way of updating/reflashing the firmware, but if anyone knows of any, I'd be glad to give it a go

[20:00:16]

Chutt:

kormoc, bring it up again sometime

[20:00:27]

kormoc:

Chutt, certainly

[20:00:35]

Chutt:

now that the major issues are mostly fixed, they might have a chance to look at it

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Chutt:

gbee, does it reparse/load menu-ui.xml every menu screen?

[20:02:43]

gbee:

Chutt: no

[20:02:57]

Chutt:

does it reuse the watermark/title state types?

[20:03:17]

gbee:

parses once, then copies from that initial version

[20:03:22]

Chutt:

ah, ok

[20:03:45]

Chutt:

i'm making it defer loading the watermarks/titles

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gbee:

each menu is a seperate screen in the stack rather than a single screen which is reused, but they all derive from the inital copy (ThemedMenuState)

[20:04:38]

gbee:

Chutt: cool, that was also on my list

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gbee:

would be most useful done in mythuistatetype, preventing the images from autoloading for hidden states and only loading them when the state is displayed ... I started on something to do that, but ran into some difficulty with my approach

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Chutt:

i'm almost done, i think

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gbee:

that was it ... modified mythuiimage to return early from Load if any of it's parents were not visible, but the point where the load occurs was before I could easily set the state (MythuIGroup) !visible

[20:08:40]

Chutt:

ah

[20:08:43]

Chutt:

different approach

[20:08:55]

gbee:

wasn't a deal breaker, just slow me down while I had a rethink

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justinh:

a bit less sucky now than it was... needs new icons though http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . ots/pbb1.png

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justinh:

and I still have room for a disk usage indicator in the centre at the top :)

[20:17:11]

iamlindoro:

looks great, justinh

[20:17:17]

iamlindoro:

And I like green

[20:17:58]

justinh:

I'm not sure of the background yet but I'm going with transparent boxes so any background (within reason) can be used

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justinh:

needs some font changes so the unselected recordings are less obvious

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Doug8796:

hey guys.. total n00b here

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** justinh gets the n00b hammer ready **

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Doug8796:

i have directv hd box with usb output

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iamlindoro:

n00btrout!

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justinh:

Doug8796: except the usb sockets commonly seen on such boxes are only for use by the manufacturer

[20:22:59]

iamlindoro:

DTV can be used for channel change, but that's about it

[20:23:03]

iamlindoro:

DTV USB, that is

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Doug8796:

so what do i need to do to record hdtv?

[20:23:33]

Doug8796:

buy one of the boxes from 169time for 1000?

[20:23:45]

justinh:

you are mostly needing a hauppauge hd-pvr, or something known as an r5000 mod

[20:24:02]

Jake1:

(And one that doesn't need to be RMAed.)

[20:24:03]

Doug8796:

linkage?

[20:24:04]

iamlindoro:

And the r5000 mod may or may not work as Myth doesn't officially include any support for it

[20:24:17]

iamlindoro:

you'd need to patchy patchy

[20:24:17]

justinh:

neither of which work with the current release of mythtv

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Doug8796:

whats my best bet

[20:24:38]

Doug8796:

well i dont have to use mythtv correct

[20:24:44]

Doug8796:

i just want to make transport streams

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iamlindoro:

oh yes you do

[20:24:54]

iamlindoro:

or we send the stasi to your house

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Doug8796:

lol there are other ways besides mythtv

[20:25:08]

iamlindoro:

feel free!

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justinh:

Doug8796: go get 'em

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usg990a:

justinh: in trunk, is the Hauppauge HD-PVR still limited to 720p (due to issues with the 1080i stream)?

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justinh:

no idea

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Doug8796:

so Hauppuage HD PVR is my only bet

[20:30:00]

Doug8796:

what about 169time.com

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Jake1:

usg990a: I believe you're correct, but I don't think it was an issue with the stream. I had thought it was the handling of the stream.

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Doug8796:

http://169time.com/

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Doug8796:

is that r5000 hack

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Jake1:

Doug8796: It's really expensive.

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Doug8796:

over 1000?

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usg990a:

Jake1: sorry you're right. I think it was the handling of the stream. thanks

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iamlindoro:

169time is defunct, r5000 is the only option if you want to mod the box

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Doug8796:

i read that directv is switching codecs

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Doug8796:

and r5000 will no longer work

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Jake1:

usg990a: Oh, no... sorry. I wasn't trying to be snitty. What I was trying to say was... the box can apparently handle it, but there's some bug where the size of the stream can't be handled right now. Seemed to be an issue that might be resolved.

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iamlindoro:

They'll need to update their software, but h.264 is nothing new

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Doug8796:

going to straight mpeg4

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Doug8796:

and the r5000 will no longer work

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iamlindoro:

that's entirely up to the software, not the hardware

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iamlindoro:

h.264 works fine on their DISH mod right now, so take it up with them, we're not r5000 resellers

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usg990a:

Jake1: yeah, the bug is what I was wondering about. From what I've read online, folks were still having problems with the 1080i streams but the the 720p plays back fine in myth

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Jake1:

usg990a: Yup... sounds about like what I've been reading.

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iamlindoro:

1080i is find w/ HD-PVR now

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iamlindoro:

fine

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Jake1:

I'd really like to try mine out, but it hasn't gotten RMAed yet.

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usg990a:

iamlindoro: thanks for the info

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justinh:

mong! http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=34187#34187

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usg990a:

is there a way to set a specific cache size for playback? I have a clip that failed in mplayer until I set cache to 8Mb and now it plays fine but myth internal stil cannot play (choppy video and audio)

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thefRont:

is it possible to create additional transcoder profiles? I've read some posts in the gossamer threads forum which say it's not possible but these posts are rather old (from 2006). so is it possible in 0.21?

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iamlindoro:

no, regrettably you can create them but attempting to use them fails ATM

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thefRont:

if it's nit possible through the frontend but throug manually editing the database, I'm fine with that

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iamlindoro:

you will need to edit the existing ones instead

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thefRont:

iamlindro: hmm...it might work if I add a user job and write a script which runs mythtranscode, then backs up the original recording, renames the .tmp file and running mythcommflag afterwards to fix the seektable?

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thefRont:

err "might it work..." this was a question ;)

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perilousapricot:

is myth2ipod dead?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, you can do whatever you like w/ a user job

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iamlindoro:

thefRont, Although mythtranscode will still attempt to use a profile, so you'll want to use ffmpeg etc.

[20:57:17]

thefRont:

iamlindoro: what about the --mpeg2 and --honorcutlist parameters which should create a copy of the recording using the cutlist?

[20:57:55]

iamlindoro:

That's not a transcode as such (except for the few frames around the cutpoints) but yes, you can do that on the command line

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thefRont:

well, I acutally don't want to transcode. I just want to cut out the commercials and the stuff at the beginning and end of a recording

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iamlindoro:

That's what the "lossless" transode is (assuming the input material is MPEG-2)

[20:59:38]

iamlindoro:

takes cutlist, cuts ranges, transcodes the few frames around the cutpoints

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thefRont:

I don't have a lossless profile. I just have default, autodetect, high-, medium- and low-quality

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iamlindoro:

lossless doesn't have a profile

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iamlindoro:

edit a profile, look at the first check box on the first page

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iamlindoro:

you make a profile the lossless profile youself

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iamlindoro:

by ticking the box

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thefRont:

ah, so the recording profiles I can edit are actually the transcoder profiles?

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iamlindoro:

no, recording profiles and transcoder profiles are different

[21:01:51]

iamlindoro:

but accessed in the same way

[21:02:23]

iamlindoro:

Recording Profiles->Transcoders are the transcode profiles

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thefRont:

ok, and even as I can create new profiles there mythtv can't use them?

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iamlindoro:

correct

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thefRont:

will this be added in the next mythtv release?

[21:04:38]

iamlindoro:

only if you submit a patch for it ;)

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Jake1:

(grins)

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iamlindoro:

(or someone decides it's interesting to them)

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Jake1:

Not it.

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thefRont:

Jake1: stop grinning ;)

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Jake1:

Fair enough, I'll just ask my (apparently getting less stupid by the moment) question. Anybody ever heard of an error message?: "dvdripbox.o: Asked to add an audio track for a title that doesn't exist"

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thefRont:

iamlindoro: ok, looks like it works...

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iamlindoro:

Jake1, Not familiar with that one, sorry

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Jake1:

(sighs)

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Jake1:

Yeah, from a fresh install of MythBuntu, too. (Twice... I guess that kills my "I misconfigured something" theory.)

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Jake1:

Well... what does that leave?

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phunyguy:

can you have multiple backends working together?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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phunyguy:

hawt... never knew that

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AlmightyOatmeal:

:P

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wagnerrp:

thats one of the most basic features of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

the 'slave backend'

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iamlindoro:

and yet there it is in the manual for all to see

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phunyguy:

im thinking, "how am I going to cram all these tuners in one server?"

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iamlindoro:

"Encoder 17 is remote on Moriarty and is not recording."

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phunyguy:

why read a manual when i got you guys... <3

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wagnerrp:

having multiple machines is one of the very basic design concepts of mythtv

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iamlindoro:

because if you don't we'll pee in your gas tank

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phunyguy:

yeah thats the thing

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phunyguy:

i saw that in mythweb and went "hmmm"

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iamlindoro:

well *yours* says "local on"

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wagnerrp:

...what would ammonia do to an engine anyway?

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phunyguy:

yes.

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phunyguy:

probably nothing

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phunyguy:

lol.

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phunyguy:

ask mythbusters

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wagnerrp:

mythbusters exists for entertainment, not science

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phunyguy:

laff

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directhex:

and for peeing in gas tanks?

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wagnerrp:

well, that could be entertainment or spite

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wagnerrp:

has to be better than putting dandelions in your tank

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phunyguy:

i usually take it one step further and poop in the tank

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andrew[a^:

Hi; i just did a clean install of mythtv, setting up my card which is a WinFast DTV2000H ver j , i can't pickup the chans/open it up with in backup setup system any ideas?

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** cesman wonder what "i can't pickup the chans/open it up with in backup setup system" means... **

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mersault:

I used to keep all my videos on a raid array, so they were all mounted on one drive. I've broken up the raid array, and so have the files spread across 3 disks. Under /var/lib/mythtv/videos are a bunch of symlinks to the various folders. However, MythWeb runs out of memory when I try and click the videos link. It didn't previously. I know it's not the number of videos, 'cause it worked when it was on the raid array. Ideas?

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AndyCap:

mersault: dunno, how much memory have you given it in php.ini ?

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mersault:

I checked there first. It was 16 megs. I bumped it to 32, still no change. Tried 64, still no change. I figure 64 is probably unreasonably high, so I'll leave it at 32.

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mersault:

hmmm, I think I resolved my problem. I'd done something a little crazy. I have my disks mounted /mnt/diskx/ where x was the disk number. I then symlinked from there to /var/lib/mythtv/whatever for music, videos, etc.

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mersault:

I then had exported all the /mnt/diskx volumes and /var/lib/mythtv/ via NFS

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mersault:

The thinking being that if I wanted to change how I had my videos laid out, I'd only have to change it on the backend, and the changes inside /var/lib/mythtv would be exported to the frontends, rather than having to change the symlink layout on all the systems.

[23:10:44]

mersault:

by just mounting the disks, and then doing the symlinks directly on the frontend, I resolved my problem with mythweb.

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justinh:

kormoc: what was the name of that animated icon site you posted the other day? can't find it in my history

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Not the same site, but same idea: http://www.ajaxload.info/

[23:25:12]

iamlindoro:

The dropdown shows the animation

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jams:

loadinfo.net

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justinh:

that was it jams thanks

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justinh:

and thanks iamlindoro too :)

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iamlindoro:

;)

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justinh:

hrm. how to do this fading gradient following an arc

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directhex:

with a spoon

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phunyguy:

lol @ that – transcoded a show – it dropped it by 4 megs.

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phunyguy:

it was actually just 10 minutes of a show to test

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phunyguy:

334 megs down to 330

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jpabq:

iamlindoro: if you have some time, could you try the hdpvr-livetv patch, and let me know if it generally works for you. In a way, I hope it doesn't since you would be good at providing me useful information.

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, Sure, I will need to open the PC, have to finish off the "HD-PVR internal mount" project, all the cables have been laying on the desk for weeks

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iamlindoro:

but I will try it in the next few days

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hachi:

I've got 'wait for seq' thing on my DVB card disabled, but initial startup of the stuff takes a good 10+ seconds

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hachi:

are there other things I can do to help speed this up?

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hachi:

http://nopaste.snit.ch/15346

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hachi:

13 seconds in that case

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EnderTheThird:

Argh, it's really annoying when projects out there don't offer 64-bit builds.

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iamlindoro:

Is it something you can't built yourself?

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iamlindoro:

s/built/build/

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EnderTheThird:

Boxee.

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EnderTheThird:

downloaded the source, but i'm having trouble compiling from that too

[23:47:57]

EnderTheThird:

I hate having to use Firefox with a mouse and keyboard to view Hulu shows. Thought I'd give Boxee a try.

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andrew[a^:

oh so EnderTheThird boxee is like orb but opensorce?

[23:51:31]

EnderTheThird:

Haven't heard of orb, but yeah it's open source

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andrew[a^:

nice :D

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andrew[a^:

gotta be better then orb then

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andrew[a^:

orb is windows only ;|

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andrew[a^:

o.o

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andrew[a^:

ubunt only

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andrew[a^:

rofl

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EnderTheThird:

Boxee is invitation only, and 32-bit only. Not exactly sprawling with choice either, heh

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EnderTheThird:

http://boxee.tv/ you can sign up to get invited into the alpha and you should get in within a few weeks

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** andrew[a^ is signed up **

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EnderTheThird:

Anyone know of some other options that offer some sort of UI for viewing shows on Hulu?

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justinh:

mythtv, maybe one day, eventually. needs YOU :)

[23:55:56]

EnderTheThird:

Haha. If I knew anything about coding, I'd love to help. I'm lucky to get most things compiled correctly, lol.

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EnderTheThird:

Watching the AFC championship live reminds me why I only watch commflagged shows. Stinkin' commercials.

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GreyFoxx:

Wonder if that stuff wil ever let us Canucks stream without having to proxy through an american machine

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iamlindoro:

Myth is just a little XML parsing and a few improvements to the browser widget + Qt 4.5 away from Hulu

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Chutt:

and some scripting to map button areas in their player to keypresses

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directhex:

hooray for you yanks! how about some britlander love?

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justinh:

don't spose anybody has a sequence of animated frames showing a hdd filling up lying around do they?

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directhex:

ooh, iplayer integration now we have iplayer for loonicks?

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