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Saturday, January 17th, 2009, 00:05 UTC

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wagnerrp:

well i replaced the case on my frontend

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wagnerrp:

it used to have a bunch of hard drives and tuners, but those have been moved elsewhere

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wagnerrp:

so i moved it from a big P180 sitting along side the TV, to a small fanless POS steel junker hidden behind the TV

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wagnerrp:

i was worried a bit about temperature, but its 40C and 49C on the CPU and GPU

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wagnerrp:

guess it wont be a problem

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iamlindoro:

#6136 is fun times... HD-PVR (an unsupported feature) with VDPAU (an unsupported feature) doesn't work with LiveTV (known not to work with HD-PVR)? Shocking.

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wagnerrp:

no livetv on the hdpvr? (havent really kept up that device)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, LiveTV w/ the HD-PVR has had problems since the very beginning, yes (although that's improved of late)

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wagnerrp:

i guess its just an issue with rapidly dropping one stream and starting up another

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psofa_:

quick lazy question: does 0.22_alpha19054 contain vdpau?

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wagnerrp:

better to just not use that ebuild

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psofa_:

why?

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wagnerrp:

make a new overlay, copy the file, rename it to the latest revision (19700-something), digest it, and emerge

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wagnerrp:

actually, the original ebuild wont enable vdpau

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wagnerrp:

i had to make some quick modifications to set that flag

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psofa_:

wagnerrp, i already have an overlay with my own ebuilds and im bored to fix my ebuilds, thats why i was looking for something ready :(

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psofa_:

but copying and some editing is still better than fixing qt4 deps and what not so ill go with that :)

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wagnerrp:

check my pm

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wagnerrp:

i sent you a download link for the ebuild im using

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wagnerrp:

updated it last night

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wagnerrp:

it just has a 'vdpau' make flag added

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dustybin:

monit is excellent!! ive set it up to monitor 'mythbackend', if the service stops, monit will restart the service and send me a alert to my cellphone. I've also got it monitoring my 'recordings' directory, if it reaches >95% full, a message is sent to my cellphone. This is _COOL_ stuff :D

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wagnerrp:

i think if my backend went down, i would want it to stay down until i figured out why it was broken

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: true, im thinking if im away, and my sister is at home

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dustybin:

it might correct itself

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meshe:

yeah, my parents backend crashes too often

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laga:

dustybin: take care, monit tends to make the BE crash (check the users list)

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dustybin:

nooooooooo :(

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jpabq:

iamlindoro: I am sure the HD-PVR livetv channel change timeout are because of the extra 1.5 seconds needed to get resolution changes correct.

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dustybin:

laga: ive also got it monitoring my remote webserver, and firewall box

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, My frustration was more based on someone not paying attention to known issues

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jpabq:

understood.

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jpabq:

Next time I see daniel pop up, I will talk to him about it.

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FisherPrice:

I have card with two tuners, so I can switch using the "y" key. The OSD on Tuner1 shows the program information, but Tuner2 doesn't. Does anyone know how to fix this?

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wagnerrp:

did you set both tuners to use the same source?

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FisherPrice:

wagnerrp: yes

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wagnerrp:

in mythtv-setup, they should be setup and configured as two separate cards

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FisherPrice:

wagnerrp: they are

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FisherPrice:

I'll check again, but I'm 99% sure that they are

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FisherPrice:

wagnerrp: any other ideas?

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FisherPrice:

assuming that they are set up like that

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FisherPrice:

is there something in the database?

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wagnerrp:

im not entirely sure what your error is

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wagnerrp:

the thing at the bottom of the screen that shows program information on livetv does not work?

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FisherPrice:

well, on tuner1 i get the program information at the bottom.. ie show name and description

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FisherPrice:

on tuner2 it's all unknown

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wagnerrp:

i can only assume you managed to make two separate sources

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FisherPrice:

yes

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wagnerrp:

you want one single source

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wagnerrp:

and both 'cards' defined to that single source

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wagnerrp:

that source would be 'channels on analog cable'

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FisherPrice:

well, i don't really care as long as i can get the program info on tuner2

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wagnerrp:

delete the second source

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wagnerrp:

set the second tuner to have the same source as the first

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FisherPrice:

ok, I

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FisherPrice:

I

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FisherPrice:

will try that..

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FisherPrice:

soon as my girl stops watching tv

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wagnerrp:

for instance, i have 5 inputs but two sources

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wagnerrp:

a pair of 150s using my 'analog cable' source

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FisherPrice:

really, i didn't think you could do that

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FisherPrice:

I'll try that though

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wagnerrp:

and an HDHR and a 1250 using my 'clear QAM' source

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FisherPrice:

it sounds like it will wrk

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wagnerrp:

one source maps to one channel lineup

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wagnerrp:

if two devices have the same channel lineup, they should probably be using the same source

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FisherPrice:

theoretically yes

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wagnerrp:

ill admit, its a bit counter-intuitive at first glance

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wagnerrp:

but once you figure out how it works, it makes sense

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FisherPrice:

yeah, mythtv has a lot of settings to get it working

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FisherPrice:

it takes a while

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wagnerrp:

better settings than lack of capability

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FisherPrice:

yeah, i agree

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FisherPrice:

though a setup wizard might be nice

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wagnerrp:

well mythtv-setup is basically a wizard

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wagnerrp:

you go step-by-step, from item 1 to item 6

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wagnerrp:

and then your backend is set up

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FisherPrice:

yeah, but it's not step by step... automatically, like "Click next"

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FisherPrice:

I'm not complaining

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FisherPrice:

it's good once it's set up and running OK

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wagnerrp:

the big issue with programming GUIs is that you have tainted eyes

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FisherPrice:

though I've had a few issues lately myself with crashes... it might be related to my lowish signal strength

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wagnerrp:

the programmer knows how things work, so they understand how to use the GUI

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FisherPrice:

yah, i understand that about developing...

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wagnerrp:

its hard to get 'untainted' testing for such a thing

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FisherPrice:

it's only when you get fresh eyes do you have the option of seing things through other experience

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meshe:

yeah, that's what UI designers are for, but they are hard to get

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FisherPrice:

and the developers can get this attitude (if they have big egos) it's fine.. all you need to do is.......

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FisherPrice:

I've struck that attitude a couple of times.. though mostly pple in the linux community are OK

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test2:

hi all

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test2:

i had to reinstall but i still have /home/ .. /.mythtv

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test2:

so.. can i restore my channels ?

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wagnerrp:

ALL settings are stored in the database

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wagnerrp:

did you keep a database backup before the reinstall?

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test2:

i dont think .. usually, is it in /home ?

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wagnerrp:

the database is where ever the database is

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Dagmar:

Well, if you don't think, you might as well just break out the credit card, go to Best Buy, and buy a TiVo.

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wagnerrp:

different distros leave it in different places

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wagnerrp:

if you kept your recordings folder, you may have an automated backup in there

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wagnerrp:

but its likely to be very old

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wagnerrp:

better to just start fresh

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meshe:

i can pretty much guarantee it's not in /home though

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test2:

ok wagnerrp ty..

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test2:

ok 2

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test2:

(i'm opensuse 11.0)

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test2:

please .. is transcode included in mythtv ? or in mythplugin may be .. ?

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wagnerrp:

mythtranscode is part of mythtv

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test2:

ok

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wagnerrp:

the core package, that is

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test2:

(how do i run transcode ?)

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wagnerrp:

best to read the wiki, and then come back and ask questions on what you dont understand

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test2:

ok..

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test2:

should b in config myth setup so .. ;)

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wagnerrp:

mythtranscode will not be in mythtv-setup

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test2:

:)

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wagnerrp:

transcodes are all done on the backend, but control is all done through mythfrontend

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test2:

perfectt ty

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test2:

wagnerrp: ty :) bye

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test2:

(i m not sure i can have somthing else than .nuv with a pinnacle pctv card ../analogic)

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wagnerrp:

pinnacle does not make mpeg encoders

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wagnerrp:

so digital capture will be an mpeg

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wagnerrp:

analog capture will be a nuv

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test2:

wish i had mpeg .. with analog ..

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wagnerrp:

furthermore, any transcodes you do (except lossless mpeg) will result in nuvs

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test2:

i have to use ffmpeg so ..

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wagnerrp:

if you want mpeg analog, you need to pick up an IVTV card

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wagnerrp:

check out ivtvdriver.org for a compatible hardware list

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test2:

last 1 wagner (for today ;) : do u think its possible to create an 'user job' in myth that could run ffmpeg (and args) to transcode current nuv file (.. like semi-automatic)

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test2:

(ivtv card ok)

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wagnerrp:

it certainly would be

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test2:

cool :)

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wagnerrp:

you might want to check for mythflash on the wiki

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test2:

got to study wiki defnitly ;)

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wagnerrp:

it was intended for using ffmpeg as a userjob to transcode recordings to flash for streaming over the internet

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wagnerrp:

it has since been superseded by better on-the-fly transcoding built into mythweb

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wagnerrp:

but the basic process you need to do would be the same

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wagnerrp:

just with some different ffmpeg options

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FisherPrice:

wagnerrp: thank's for that tip about the sources

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FisherPrice:

it worked

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test2:

got the options already in ffmpeg

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test2:

.nuv to yep p2 (avi crop etc..)

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test2:

but.. how to write it in userjob ... got to see..

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FisherPrice:

um, does nuv take more hdd space than mpeg?

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wagnerrp:

nuv, or NuppleVideo is merely a container

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FisherPrice:

so a transcode isn't really required then

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wagnerrp:

it will either contain rtjpeg (larger than mpeg2) or mpeg4asp (smaller than mpeg2)

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FisherPrice:

what's recommended?

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wagnerrp:

depends on your hardware

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wagnerrp:

rtjpeg is easier to encode and decode

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wagnerrp:

asp is smaller

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FisherPrice:

dual core 2.66Ghz 2gram

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wagnerrp:

but both are fairly trivial on modern hardware

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wagnerrp:

ASP is the same codec as used by DivX and XviD

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FisherPrice:

where is it set?/

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wagnerrp:

frontend, settings, setup, tv settings, recording settings

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test2:

(keep all in nuv if old cpu it 'works better' but it takes more space then ..)

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test2:

says the newbie..

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wagnerrp:

says the newbie

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wagnerrp:

all three formats take next to no hardware to decode

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test2:

nuv to avi (xvid) in ffmpeg

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wagnerrp:

what is the lowest end frontend you will be using?

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wagnerrp:

any mid-range P3 or better should have no trouble decoding any standard definition ASP or mpeg2

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test2:

nuv2avi (in terminal) >> ffmpeg -i pourtests.nuv -s 320x240 -r ntsc -ar 48000 -ac 2 -acodec libmp3lame -ab 128k -croptop 16 -cropbottom 16 -ss 0:00:05.000 -t 0:00:59.000 pourtestsoutput.avi -copyright is' 'an' 'aberation

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test2:

nuv2avi (in terminal) >> ffmpeg -i pourtests.nuv -s 320x240 -r ntsc -ar 48000 -ac 2 -acodec libmp3lame -ab 128k

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wagnerrp:

ouch... 320x240? and you havent set a video datarate

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wagnerrp:

or codec

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test2:

default codec mpeg

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test2:

vcodec

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test2:

actually i add crop

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test2:

-sameq option is usefull too

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test2:

320x240 or any other .. its for my mp4 player..

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test2:

anyway.. if some1 need i can try to help with ffmpeg or ... #ffmpeg ;)

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test2:

quiquest conversion ever seen..

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test2:

ck*

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test2:

wagnerrp: ? what would be the command in userjob ? (having my args..)

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wagnerrp:

i dont know, i havent used one in years

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wagnerrp:

that mythflash guide should explain everything

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test2:

ok tx a lot

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test2:

which wiki?

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test2:

..lol

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wagnerrp:

mythtv

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test2:

good :)

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FisherPrice:

wagnerrp: maybe you can help with a couple more things

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FisherPrice:

1st I don't have a widescreen tv, and I'm zooming the screen in as default.. is there any way I can modify the position of the PIP view to the left a little

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wagnerrp:

not that i know of... never used PiP

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FisherPrice:

I still want it in the top left.. but just over a little

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Chicago:

FisherPrice: If you do find how to make that change, add it to the wiki. I haven't seen that customization documented anywhere.

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FisherPrice:

Chicago: :(

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FisherPrice:

I suppose i could play around if i know where to play

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Chicago:

FisherPrice: Perhaps turn up the verbosity of the frontend and watch the log for database activity, maybe its in one of the tables.

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FisherPrice:

Chicago: I'll look into it

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wagnerrp:

well there is 'PIPLocation' in the 'settings' table

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wagnerrp:

but as its a singular numeric value, i guess that just lets you cycle between the four possible placements

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wagnerrp:

looks like you would have to go into the code to change the absolute position

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Chicago:

wagnerrp: How are you today?

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wagnerrp:

trying to get pulseaudio working

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wagnerrp:

ive got enough bandwidth to push decent resolution raw video over the network

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wagnerrp:

add in pulseaudio, and the windows binaries, and i have instant windows frontend

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GreyFoxx:

Wow, looks like you might be getting some crazy deals from Circuit city soon :)

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, They'd have to offer *insane* deals to get me into a Circuit City

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wagnerrp:

why do shows get advertised a month in advance, but tv schedules only two weeks

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jamesd:

iamlindoro, considering they are just days away from shutting the doors permanently i wouldn't pay more than penny or 2 on the dollar for aynthing.

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iamlindoro:

To allow ABC time to cancel anything worthwhile

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Chicago:

dunno.... why does schedules direct not catch updates when programming changes on short notice?

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wagnerrp:

in two weeks when the show ends up on my schedule, ill have forgotten about it, and then it wont be recorded

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iamlindoro:

jamesd, I'd happily pay pennies on the dollar if it came to that, though :)

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iamlindoro:

SD is just the middle man, blame TMS

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iamlindoro:

And you get the next 24 hours updated to the latest available schedule every time you run mythfilldatabase, so you always have the latest schedule for a given day as of the night before.

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test2:

bye all, ty wagner

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wagnerrp:

i think the only time ive been burned by a last minute schedule change was when Life shifted timeslots three times in two weeks

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GreyFoxx:

Chicago: Your box only updates once a day, so you wouldn't catch fast changes

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wagnerrp:

it got shifted into conflict with another recording, and i didnt notice in time to fix things

[01:50:45]

GreyFoxx:

It's not live polling their servers constantly

[01:51:06]

GreyFoxx:

And TMS only updates a few times a day

[01:51:11]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, In that case, Myth sucks

[01:51:14]

iamlindoro:

;)

[01:51:58]

GreyFoxx:

And half the time stations don't get the updates to them in time

[01:51:59]

wagnerrp:

MCE FTW

[01:52:47]

Chicago:

I'd like a feature of SD, such that when things like football games push '60 minutes' back by an hour or two... they can push a signal to me saying... delay recording until we tell you to start....

[01:53:02]

kormoc:

Chicago, erm... how would SD know?

[01:53:14]

wagnerrp:

wasnt there some plugin that did that... somehow...?

[01:53:21]

iamlindoro:

Yes, it's in the wiki

[01:53:21]

Chicago:

kormoc: Just looking for a single point to do it.

[01:53:28]

iamlindoro:

polls the scoreboard sites until they show as final

[01:53:32]

** kormoc blinks **

[01:54:14]

** iamlindoro settles back and waits for what will surely be interesting **

[01:54:44]

iamlindoro:

Sure, I'll start-- SD/TMS are not actively monitoring television broadcasts... at all.

[01:55:02]

iamlindoro:

They pay drones to gather the info from broadcasters/networks, format it, and sell it. That's *all*

[01:55:25]

Chicago:

Hmm... would there be something in the commercial detection which could know when a program begins? Is there a digital identifier which can be decoded which says "This is the start of 60 minutes"?

[01:55:32]

iamlindoro:

Nope

[01:55:32]

kormoc:

Chicago, so SD gets the data from TMS which gets it from the network, you honestly expect that someone from the network will fax over the new ending times to TMS and have someone from TMS update that listing and have it send it out on a per minute basis after normal business hours for $20 a year?

[01:55:45]

GreyFoxx:

Chicago: With dvb EIT it could catch it

[01:55:49]

GreyFoxx:

but not with regular stuff

[01:56:01]

Chicago:

Yeah, you're right.

[01:56:05]

iamlindoro:

and even with EIT it would often be totally wrong

[01:56:08]

Chicago:

Just wishful thinking...

[01:56:32]

dustybin:

Debian Squeeze will be the next Debian codename LOL

[01:56:42]

Chicago:

Maybe for those days, it's best just to manual record for 6 hours.... or something like that... but then there is the added work of cutting the 6 hours into the programming you want and then adding the meta-data.

[01:56:48]

wagnerrp:

its not like stations actually want you to have accurate times for their schedules

[01:57:08]

kormoc:

Chicago, personally, I just hit 'Delete and record again' if it runs over

[01:57:08]

Chicago:

dustybin: When the hell are they going to fix the bugs in Lenny so it can replace etch?

[01:57:19]

kormoc:

Chicago, Language...

[01:57:23]

dustybin:

Chicago: when you pull your finger out

[01:58:01]

Chicago:

dustybin: I just want them to have an operating system that doesn't feel like 1997 anymore.

[01:58:07]

iamlindoro:

1:02 to go...

[01:58:43]

wagnerrp:

end of battlestar?

[01:58:51]

iamlindoro:

start of the end of battlestar, yes :)

[01:59:07]

** kormoc weeps for stargate **

[01:59:09]

wagnerrp:

is this the last episode?

[01:59:24]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, No, first episode in 8 months, start of the back half of the final season

[01:59:33]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, At least we have Dollhouse coming

[01:59:33]

kormoc:

Lucky McKay...

[01:59:36]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: dont worry, there will be another stargate, and movies!

[01:59:52]

GreyFoxx:

I want more details about Stargate Universe :)

[01:59:54]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, And if we're lucky, since Whedon loves his regulars, maybe some Kaylee

[02:00:00]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, I'll even let her out of the basement

[02:00:02]

** kormoc laughs **

[02:00:10]

** GreyFoxx Wants more firefly/serenity **

[02:00:15]

kormoc:

Aye

[02:00:16]

iamlindoro:

me too :(

[02:00:23]

iamlindoro:

Comic books don't count

[02:00:31]

wagnerrp:

who will fly? the girl?

[02:00:37]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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kormoc:

More screen time for Kaylee == Better imho

[02:01:20]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, makes for better entertainment during space turbulence

[02:01:44]

** iamlindoro knows which Firefly fanart *he'll* choose when Anduin is done adding it to MythVid :) **

[02:01:55]

FisherPrice:

wagnerrp: is this pip location a feature request I should put in?

[02:02:13]

iamlindoro:

car featurerequest >/dev/null

[02:02:16]

iamlindoro:

s/car/cat/

[02:02:16]

Chicago:

I'd like to be able to specify the size of the PIP box too...

[02:02:21]

Chicago:

and its aspect ratio.

[02:02:22]

wagnerrp:

FisherPrice: theres not really any such thing as a feature request

[02:02:23]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, I have another picture of that green robeish dress thing :P

[02:02:29]

iamlindoro:

hehe

[02:02:35]

kormoc:

sure there is, in the wiki!

[02:02:36]

wagnerrp:

the page on the wiki goes largely unread

[02:02:58]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, it's even slightly opener, believe it or not

[02:02:59]

iamlindoro:

sshhhhhh

[02:02:59]

GreyFoxx:

FisherPrice: Pip location ?

[02:03:14]

** iamlindoro blinks **

[02:03:17]

wagnerrp:

its something to placate the ignorant, a place where ideas go to die

[02:03:18]

FisherPrice:

yeah, the picture in picture.. i'd like it a little bit more left

[02:03:33]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, http://lh5.ggpht.com/_auN_soTSVnE/SHG6tq4d-tI . . . IMG_1640.jpg

[02:03:33]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, a graveyard of epicness

[02:03:36]

iamlindoro:

*shudder*

[02:03:57]

kormoc:

My eyes seem to have recessed into my brain

[02:04:14]

GreyFoxx:

FisherPrice: Well you can pick the corner, dunno but I imagine the actually location is based on size of the video

[02:04:17]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: beirdo has failed me

[02:04:24]

wagnerrp:

linky no worky

[02:04:27]

GreyFoxx:

The wiki is the only place to put it as a feature request

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kormoc:

the only sucky thing about her photos is they tend to makeup/airbrush her way too much

[02:04:37]

iamlindoro:

beirdo breaks links allatime

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kormoc:

he's a fighter, that one

[02:05:00]

FisherPrice:

GreyFoxx: yah, i know i can pick a corner.. but I don't have a wide screen tv, and I zoom to full as default

[02:05:05]

wagnerrp:

oh... nevermind, it was the lack of javascript allowed on the page

[02:05:13]

FisherPrice:

so i'd like to move the pip a little to the right

[02:05:20]

kormoc:

(And yes, this kormoc time was brought to you by large amounts of cold meds)

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GreyFoxx:

wow, still no mention about mythphone

[02:06:02]

GreyFoxx:

I'm a little shocked

[02:06:15]

iamlindoro:

Because it suuuuuuuuuuuuuucked

[02:06:15]

kormoc:

Ring ring ring, Banana phone....

[02:06:36]

wagnerrp:

someone post notice on the lists of its immanent murder?

[02:06:46]

kormoc:

negative

[02:07:02]

wagnerrp:

then how would people know its going to be axed to complain about it

[02:07:29]

GreyFoxx:

wagnerrp: It's gone

[02:07:33]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19702/trunk/mythplugins

[02:07:37]

GreyFoxx:

shocked noone bitched about it's removal

[02:07:40]

Anduin:

by reading the commits list, by no one does that

[02:07:44]

wagnerrp:

in trunk perhaps, but its still there in -fixes and release

[02:07:47]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

[02:07:49]

Chicago:

Mythphone going byebye?

[02:07:52]

iamlindoro:

.22 the hammer will drop

[02:07:57]

GreyFoxx:

Chig: Gonealready

[02:08:04]

iamlindoro:

at least, that's when most will notice

[02:08:24]

Chicago:

Hmm, never really had super successful time with it anyways... always struggled.

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Chicago:

I know I wanted it todo digest authentication on the SIP connection and had a problem with it integrating with freeswitch.

[02:09:42]

Chicago:

probably due to me being a n00b with fs

[02:10:25]

popcornisgood:

I need to extract the firmware from the XC5000 driver for my Pinnacle PCTV HD card, but whenever I try running the script provided to do so, the session I'm logged into crashes. What am I doing wrong?

[02:10:45]

wagnerrp:

the session crashes? what kind of session?

[02:10:50]

popcornisgood:

terminal

[02:10:52]

popcornisgood:

linux termianl

[02:11:03]

wagnerrp:

like, it logs you out?

[02:11:05]

popcornisgood:

yea

[02:11:35]

popcornisgood:

this is the location of the driver and script: http://www.steventoth.net/linux/xc5000/

[02:12:16]

** iamlindoro would really like more farscape **

[02:12:30]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: YEah I want more ino about the new webisodes

[02:12:43]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, They commissioned them like FOREVER ago too

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[02:13:03]

GreyFoxx:

yeah,just before the writers strike

[02:13:56]

iamlindoro:

Unfortunately, pretty much all decent shows are poisoned by all networks

[02:14:29]

wagnerrp:

and their characters consumed by stargate!

[02:14:32]

iamlindoro:

I'm happy that BSG is ending on its own terms

[02:14:52]

iamlindoro:

but sad for countless others like Farscape, Pushing Daisies, Firfly, etc. etc.

[02:14:56]

iamlindoro:

firefly, that is

[02:14:57]

Dagmar:

That may change soon

[02:15:13]

Dagmar:

I don't think the writers for Stargate were trying very hard for the season-ender

[02:15:50]

wagnerrp:

too much happened too quickly

[02:17:52]

Chicago:

Hmm... just saw a directtv commercial about "you can easily program your home dvr from any computer or your cell phone"....

[02:18:13]

Chicago:

I want to have my phone use VPN to connect to my home network to connect to mythweb.

[02:18:18]

Chicago:

Anybody else doing it that way?

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wagnerrp:

ive seen ads for programming it over the web, but not one specifically from a phone

[02:18:25]

FisherPrice:

wagnerrp: so, if there's no feature request, how can i ask the devs to include this?

[02:18:31]

FisherPrice:

by a bug?

[02:18:36]

Chicago:

wagnerrp: The directtv commercial at the beginning of BSG.

[02:18:43]

GreyFoxx:

FisherPrice: Just put in the wiki wishlist

[02:18:45]

kormoc:

FisherPrice, Patches are welcome

[02:18:49]

wagnerrp:

FisherPrice: primarily by becoming a dev yourself

[02:18:55]

GreyFoxx:

there is no feature submission process

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kormoc:

Chicago, I just go directly to mythweb personally...

[02:19:06]

FisherPrice:

wagnerrp: Ahhhhh!!!!!

[02:19:11]

FisherPrice:

:P

[02:19:15]

FisherPrice:

thot so

[02:19:41]

wagnerrp:

as i said, it shouldnt be very difficult to find the sizing code in the source, and modify it slightly

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[02:19:53]

wagnerrp:

tune it to your liking

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Chicago:

kormoc: I hesitate to use apache for the authentication and authorization even with ssl, because so many of my resources are accessible by myth.

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Chicago:

kormoc: This way, I don't expect the mythweb app to be penetration secure.

[02:20:44]

wagnerrp:

now adding entries in the database, or adding lines to set the size in the the GUI would be far more difficult

[02:21:07]

wagnerrp:

Chicago: its really not penetration secure

[02:21:12]

Chicago:

exactly.

[02:21:16]

Chicago:

Thus, VPN.

[02:21:23]

wagnerrp:

but its amazing how many people dont even make the most basic of security measures

[02:21:28]

iamlindoro:

myst... resist... "neither is your mom"

[02:21:28]

wagnerrp:

such as apache authentication

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iamlindoro:

s/myst/must/

[02:21:53]

wagnerrp:

its fairly easy to pick up open servers on google

[02:21:54]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: That's because most of these people are in WAY over their heads with Apache

[02:21:59]

Dagmar:

Too much watchin' TV.

[02:22:01]

Chicago:

wagnerrp: I know.

[02:22:04]

Chicago:

poor guys

[02:22:05]

wagnerrp:

log on, record a bit of porn...

[02:22:20]

AlmightyOatmeal:

bloody hell... neither of the two pci tv tuners i have work in linux... bollocks!

[02:22:20]

wagnerrp:

or perhaps GED classes

[02:22:41]

Chicago:

AlmightyOatmeal: My HVR-1600 isn't configured to work yet either... which card are you working on?

[02:22:57]

perilousapricot:

Chicago, I use hamachi+mythweb to access my dvr if i'm not at home

[02:23:11]

wagnerrp:

that would be a good one! 'mythtv-users, why does my mythtv box keep recording GED classes off PBS?'

[02:23:19]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, Chicago, that's cause we never bothered to make it secure, We count on apache's security, as it's industry standard and all that jazz

[02:23:24]

AlmightyOatmeal:

Chicago: i dont remember what the analogue one is, i thought it was a hauppauge card, but i guess not. the ATSC tuner is a Cat's Eye 150 tuner that i figured 80% was not going to work in linux

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, and open mythweb installs won't be as big an issue with 0.22, when a search engine indexes it, it'll go into lockdown mode automatically :P

[02:23:57]

Chicago:

kormoc; Fine with me, mythweb does what its supposed to... securing apache is what I'm supposed todo.

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Dagmar:

idempotency/

[02:24:20]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: aww... ruinin' my fun...

[02:24:41]

kormoc:

in all honestly, apache + ssl + digest auth is roughly the same as vpn security

[02:24:45]

wagnerrp:

s/my/mah/

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Chicago:

kormoc: My major beef is that I treat my firewall like a garage door... I push a button and open a port when I need it... and close the port when I don't... and that sucks. I'd rather give my phone a certificate. Keep the authorization and authentication intact and continue with HTTPS... just protect it in front from the outside with VPN.

[02:25:15]

Dagmar:

If someone breaks SSL then digest isnt' going to much matter.

[02:25:37]

Chicago:

I use digest too.

[02:25:40]

Chicago:

SSL has been broken.

[02:25:46]

AlmightyOatmeal:

Chicago: i put an ad on craigslist looking for new tuners, i'm hoping for a hauppauge card or an ati tv wonder (i had one of those before)..

[02:25:57]

kormoc:

meh, depends on the ssl cert, those crazy md5 ssl certs are worthless...

[02:25:58]

AlmightyOatmeal:

i wonder if there is analogue support for the ati hdtv wonder yet

[02:26:05]

Dagmar:

Chicago: Which leaves you with homebrewed certificates only

[02:26:06]

AlmightyOatmeal:

worked great for digital/high def

[02:26:17]

Chicago:

Dagmar: Well, the VPN cert can certainly be homebrew.

[02:26:21]

wagnerrp:

AlmightyOatmeal: you dont want to use framegrabbers

[02:26:24]

Chicago:

Dagmar: I use a paid for HTTPS cert.

[02:26:32]

wagnerrp:

if you need analog, get an IVTV card

[02:26:36]

wagnerrp:

Chicago: what for?

[02:26:41]

Dagmar:

I roll my own.

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kormoc:

Chicago, I wouldnt' say ssl has been broken, md5 ssl certs have been broken, and md5 was never a accepted ssl cert level anyway...

[02:26:51]

AlmightyOatmeal:

wagnerrp: ?

[02:27:08]

Dagmar:

AlmightyOatmeal: Framegrabbers are obsolete.

[02:27:15]

AlmightyOatmeal:

wagnerrp: like what? I never had a problem with my hauppauge cards.. you're telling me they are framegrabbers?

[02:27:16]

wagnerrp:

AlmightyOatmeal: just about any analog support on a digital card is going to be a framegrabber

[02:27:24]

Chicago:

wagnerrp: Because I don't like the way firefox 3 treats self signed certs....

[02:27:24]

wagnerrp:

you dont want to use a framegrabber

[02:27:24]

AlmightyOatmeal:

ah

[02:27:32]

wagnerrp:

get an ivtv card for analog

[02:27:44]

wagnerrp:

the hauppauge PVRs are included in 'ivtv card'

[02:27:44]

AlmightyOatmeal:

i'm not really sure what an ivtv card is

[02:27:48]

Chicago:

wagnerrp: Plus, with GoDaddy, I can get the certs fairly cheap... I have a few credits I'm not using.

[02:27:49]

AlmightyOatmeal:

ah

[02:27:50]

wagnerrp:

ivtvdriver.org

[02:27:53]

AlmightyOatmeal:

ty

[02:28:23]

AlmightyOatmeal:

that would explain why the ati hdtv wonder wasn't working with analogue, makes sense and i'm okay with that now :)

[02:28:24]

Dagmar:

Screw paying for them.

[02:28:39]

Dagmar:

Drop a CACert cert into the browser and be done with it

[02:28:46]

AlmightyOatmeal:

only problem is that i'm unemployed currently so i can't buy a new/decent card, i can only work with what i can beg/borrow/steal

[02:28:51]

Chicago:

Dagmar: I suppose I could just have my own root server certificate on the homepage to be easily installed.

[02:29:00]

Dagmar:

Chicago: Cacert.org

[02:29:16]

AlmightyOatmeal:

i knew i shouldn't have gotten rid of my hauppauge cards! bloody hell :'(

[02:29:24]

Chicago:

Dagmar: I went to their presentation at LISA'08 this year... I wish them the best of luck struggling with their internal problems.

[02:29:52]

Dagmar:

Chicago: If someone as lazy as me can hang onto the paperwork, they'll probably be fine

[02:30:07]

kormoc:

Dagmar, ssl handshake errors....

[02:30:27]

Dagmar:

What about ssl handshake errors

[02:31:03]

Dagmar:

THis is why you import the cacert root creds

[02:31:16]

kormoc:

Dagmar, https://cats.cacert.org/

[02:31:29]

kormoc:

already did, still won't connect to that specific one

[02:31:43]

Dagmar:

Weeeeeird

[02:32:30]

Dagmar:

I wonder if they've got that one broken somehow

[02:32:47]

Chicago:

I think I need help with my kernel .config or BIOS settings in order to support an HVR-1600. Each time I boot, I get a kernel panic with "DMA memory would be corrupted".

[02:33:13]

Dagmar:

Chicago: Reset the BIOS to defaults if you have doubts about that

[02:33:18]

Chicago:

It was recommend I pass 'pciback.hide=(11:01.0)' on my kernel init... which is the pci id of my card.

[02:33:32]

Chicago:

Dagmar: System boots with BIOS in tact using LiveCD.

[02:33:53]

Chicago:

It's my .config which is broken :( If the kernel I boot omits video4linux, I'm fine.... once I put in video support.... It fails.

[02:34:18]

Dagmar:

Stop diddling your .config manually then

[02:34:33]

Chicago:

Well, who's going to make one for me ???

[02:34:36]

AlmightyOatmeal:

so i have one of those saa7134 rants about the card having no eeprom and no subsystem id... it says i need to specifify card=xx but i'm not really sure how or where to do that

[02:35:00]

Dagmar:

`make menuconfig` will do it just fine without taking the chance that something doesn't get turned off or on when it's supposed to based on a change elsewhere in the config.

[02:35:16]

Chicago:

Dagmar: Allow me to clarify, I do use make menuconfig. :)

[02:35:31]

Dagmar:

Then stop using kernel 2.6.23 is my next guess

[02:35:37]

Chicago:

2.6.27

[02:36:16]

Chicago:

Dagmar: Can you suggest a way for me to get some debugging output??? Since the panic happens while the system is initializing udev?

[02:37:03]

Dagmar:

I can suggest using the kernel provided by your distribution vendor, and only making small changes to it's config.

[02:37:17]

Chicago:

It's gentoo man... they don't provide a .config.

[02:37:37]

Dagmar:

I'm rather remarkably uninterested in attempting to audit what could easily be the result of `make random_settings`.

[02:37:41]

GreyFoxx:

try zcat /proc/config.gz

[02:37:41]

Chicago:

Do you know a way to disable v4l on the kernel init?

[02:37:54]

Dagmar:

You're a Gentoo user. You're supposed to know this stuff.

[02:37:57]

GreyFoxx:

most distros include support for that and will get the .config used to make the kernel

[02:38:29]

Dagmar:

This is why you're using Gentoo, right? because you know how to do all this stuff without breaking the machine...

[02:38:43]

Chicago:

Dagmar: No... so that I have something todo on Friday nights! :p

[02:39:07]

Dagmar:

Chicago: I have one and only one fix for Gentoo.

[02:39:12]

Dagmar:

...and that's to install Slackware over the top of it.

[02:39:16]

Chicago:

hmm

[02:39:31]

Dagmar:

I know they ship a default kernel.

[02:40:07]

Chicago:

I really am just after a working HVR-1600 rig on 2.6.27 which I can diff my .config against to find the likely offender.

[02:40:36]

Gumby:

does anyone here know which nvidia cards are supported by VPDAU? I've got an onboard 7150 and I assume its too old but I have my fingers crossed

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iamlindoro:

too old

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iamlindoro:

8xxx or better, excluding the 8800 GTX and 8100 series

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Dagmar:

http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . endix-h.html

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Gumby:

cool thanks iamlindoro

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Gumby:

and Dagmar

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Gumby:

now what are the odds of finding a relatively inexpensive card with hdmi out

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kormoc:

if expense matters, dvi -> hdmi adapter + audio inputs == cheaper

[02:46:57]

Gumby:

yeah

[02:47:00]

Gumby:

true

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Dagmar:

Easier to find a TV with VGA/DVI in

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Dagmar:

Certainly less hassle from a configuring X standpoint

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squidly:

I've got a strange issue with myth that just started up.

[02:48:29]

squidly:

I can watch recoarding, videos what ever

[02:48:36]

squidly:

but I can not watch livetv

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squidly:

it just flickers back to the main mythtv screen

[02:49:02]

squidly:

there is nothing in the logs, on either the frontend or the backend

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Dagmar:

"just started up"?

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squidly:

Dagmar: yea I could watch tv a couple of days ago, didnt watch tv for a couple of days

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squidly:

and tried to watch live tv now

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kormoc:

you passed the point of no live-tv return

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** kormoc cues the twilight zone music **

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squidly:

lol

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squidly:

ok that was odd

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** iamlindoro primes the firewire and makes the popcorn **

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squidly:

I had to rebuild my v4l links

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Dagmar:

REbuild links?

[02:57:43]

Dagmar:

You shouldn't have had to build anything.

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Dagmar:

All that stuff is supposed to be auto-generated now.

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squidly:

yea I know

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squidly:

i think gentoo decided to do some changes on my system for me :(

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Dagmar:

m0j0-j0j0: Being that I am using a Palm T|X at the moment, I call foul.

[03:08:40]

Dagmar:

wrong chan

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kormoc:

Gentoo has no mind of it's own...

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phunyguy:

wheee

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, this is Archeology Galactica

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phunyguy:

sup guys

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, so all I need to know is who the last cylon is

[03:14:46]

phunyguy:

Hello Robert

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Dagmar:

It's that blonde chick

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phunyguy:

my wife wants to watch a stupid movie with me tonight.

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phunyguy:

House Bunny

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phunyguy:

:(

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Dagmar:

Make an "innocent" mistake.

[03:16:57]

phunyguy:

yeah

[03:16:58]

Dagmar:

Go to the porn store and ask for "House Bunnies"

[03:17:00]

phunyguy:

break the mythbox

[03:17:06]

phunyguy:

oh

[03:17:08]

phunyguy:

lol

[03:17:12]

phunyguy:

well too bad this was a netflix rip

[03:17:16]

phunyguy:

:(

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** Dagmar covers his ears and starts humming. **

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phunyguy:

I MEAN

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kormoc:

Dagmar, not starbuck?

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phunyguy:

netflix disc

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phunyguy:

XD

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phunyguy:

><

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Dagmar:

kormoc: That's where my money is

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Dagmar:

Although I still say they're going to find out that EVERYONE's a cyclon

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iamlindoro:

I am thinking more abstractly

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iamlindoro:

I think the ship is

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kormoc:

ooh! what if they're all just a cyclon dream?

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iamlindoro:

Like Dallas!

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Dagmar:

They're going to spin it so that for some reason or another over time the cyclons converted to purely flesh-based technology

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kormoc:

is Debby involved?

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iamlindoro:

only in my dreams

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Dagmar:

Dunno what was up with Chief being at that veggie market tho

[03:20:00]

Dagmar:

He might be the dirtiest old man in the fleet

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Dagmar:

OH OH!

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iamlindoro:

Don't spoil it

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phunyguy:

man i screwed that mythbox up good last night

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iamlindoro:

effed up

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iamlindoro:

This is gonna get weird

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phunyguy:

taking all i got just to get 1080p working again

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Dagmar:

I like hybrid-boy's reaction

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Dagmar:

Like a freshman finding out his gf has the clap

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phunyguy:

shoulda backed up the xorg.conf

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phunyguy:

EWE

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iamlindoro:

He's not a hybrid

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iamlindoro:

He's pure

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Dagmar:

Far as I'm concerned unless they're metal, they're half-breeds

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Dagmar:

That's right, I'm a cybernetic purist

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Dagmar:

Man I'm so rusty at that I couldnt' even remember any good and offensive terms for mixed-breeds

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clever:

lol

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clever:

mudblood?

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iamlindoro:

Haha, Starbuck's husband is totally Dylan

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Dagmar:

Dylan?

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iamlindoro:

Bob Dylan

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iamlindoro:

Who wrote "All along the watchtower"

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Dagmar:

I can understand what he's saying. You must be wrong.

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iamlindoro:

hrm?

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Dagmar:

If he were Bob Dylan he'd be all "Mmrmrpehle mumpherrm mmmhrmem..."

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iamlindoro:

what are you talking about?

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iamlindoro:

ahhh

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Dagmar:

Hmm...

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iamlindoro:

uhhhhh

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iamlindoro:

so yeah

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phunyguy:

ok, i must really be brainfarting here

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phunyguy:

can someone look at my xorg.conf...? http://pastebin.ca/1310587

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phunyguy:

the TV is hooked up via DVI to HDMI cable.

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phunyguy:

it worked yesterday.

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phunyguy:

i am fairly certain this is how my xorg.conf looked./

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phunyguy:

it just doesn't load a desktop, just some distored graphics on the top.

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Dagmar:

"fairly certain" != "this is the config I used yesterday"

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phunyguy:

i meant the contents, I was going off of memory. I really only remember adding one line – the TVStandard one

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r2b2:

his is the output of my lsmod : http://pastie.org/363084

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r2b2:

hello, please help me installing my tv tuner card

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r2b2:

here is the output of my lsmod : http://pastie.org/363084

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phunyguy:

r2b2: try this link http://tinyurl.com/7n2n89

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r2b2:

and lspci : http://pastie.org/363089

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Dagmar:

I dont' do framegrabber cards, and whether or not they work is well documented

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phunyguy:

framegrabbers are slow, arent they?

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Dagmar:

And obsolete.

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clever:

they just use a TON more cpu power, but otherwise, still work

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clever:

i still use mine on ocasion, but its just a backup when i MUST record 2 channels at once

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phunyguy:

yeah i had issues with the framegrabber svideo on my dvb card

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phunyguy:

was too slow

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mchou:

r2b2: who makes that card?

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Dagmar:

I also have a problem with the number of people who get them and don't lift a finger to figure them out

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mchou:

r2b2: is it a pinnacle?

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Dagmar:

Essentially putting the weight of the aftermath for purchasing some PoS card from a flea-market onto others.

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r2b2:

pixelview

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phunyguy:

:-/

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phunyguy:

WHY

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r2b2:

i dont know the exact model my friend just gave it to me. i would wont to try installing a tv tuner card before i buy myself one

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mchou:

r2b2: r2b2 you have a link to specs of card? Is it a hybrid card?

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phunyguy:

*bashes head*

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clever:

the last time i setup the frame grabber, my bigest problem was simply capturing ANY audio thru the sound card

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clever:

which was a purely alsa problem, so i took it to them:P

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Dagmar:

phunyguy: See what I mean

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mchou:

there is nothing wrong with flea market

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mchou:

as long as stuff works

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Dagmar:

Yeah but the number of no-name tuner cards out there is just mind-boggling

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mchou:

and in this day and age I'm not so sure framegrabbers arent viable. what else you goin to use on that spare core?

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Dagmar:

A transcoding job.

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mchou:

lol

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clever:

mchou: yeah, with modern computers you have plenty of power to throw at the frame grabber, but the quality is still horid:P

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mchou:

that's just rich

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mchou:

a transcoding job. you blame the guy for being cheap but you yourself are too cheap to get decent storage

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r2b2:

am i out of luck now with this card?

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mchou:

r2b2: no, I thought you'd left

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Dagmar:

mchou: No, I just have more realistic expectations about long-term storage than most poeople

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Dagmar:

Cheap is fine. Lazy is unproductive.

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r2b2:

i got disconnected sorry

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mchou:

r2b2: I need link to specs of card

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r2b2:

mchou : i will try to find it

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mchou:

r2b2: bottom line is that most likely it works already under v4l

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r2b2:

what is v4l?

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mchou:

google

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mchou:

r2b2: we expect you to ask smart questions

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mchou:

not noob junk you can find via google

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r2b2:

ok – sorry

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phunyguy:

argh.

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Dagmar:

It would also help if you actually tried to use the card.

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phunyguy:

I should just reinstall.

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mchou:

clever: my first mythbox was a 900MHz P2 and it had juice to framegrab

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clever:

my 1.6ghz P4 can brealy framegrab :P

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clever:

horid pipeline

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mchou:

and the quality wasnt too shabby either

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clever:

if i try to do antyhing while grabing, including playback

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mchou:

P4 was the suck

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clever:

i have a 90% chance of screwing up the recording

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clever:

yeah

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r2b2:

mchou : i'll try to reboot, unplug the pci card and look for any clues about the model name.. as of now lspci gives :Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI

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Scopeuk:

mchou you can get away with fram grab on a 433 celeron if you get lucky

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Scopeuk:

whouldetn recomend it though

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Dagmar:

If you get lucky AND use sh*t resolution

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unimaginative:

If I wipe my dtv_multiplex table, will mythtv-setup repopulate it whenI scan for digital channels?

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Dagmar:

unimaginative: Especially if you back up the entire database before you do it

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Scopeuk:

Dagmar i use to do it when i first played with myth where i drage an old comptuer out of a cupboard and stuck the only tv card i had lyign aroudn in

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Scopeuk:

i learnt alot with that box

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Dagmar:

That doesn't change the fact that it won't be able to keep up and will look like crap and will require you stream raw frames to disk

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Scopeuk:

Dagmar very true, like i say i don't recomend it

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Anduin:

unimaginative: if you scan again, yes

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Dagmar:

I just point at the minimum requirements on the install docs

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Dagmar:

...which are more than double that.

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unimaginative:

oh, I remember now.. if I delete the source, it will delete the corresponding channels from the db anyway.

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Scopeuk:

Dagmar the user experience was terible but that was expected from the start, if you play below minmum spec by that far its only resonable

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Dagmar:

No one cares.

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Dagmar:

...just to go ahead and make that clear.

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Dagmar:

A failure is a failure.

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Scopeuk:

true i'll be quiet

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Dagmar:

...and "fails to grab all frames" is still a failure.

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Dagmar:

You're going to get clever started up again

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dustybin:

this is how ive setup 'monit' its _excellent_ :D

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dustybin:

http://empire.ispeeds.net/~subx/Picture%201.png

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Wayne__:

nice work on the web site xris:)

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tijoev:

aloha

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tijoev:

I am trying to upgrade from .18.1 to .21

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tijoev:

my builds did not return any errors

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tijoev:

but when I run mythtv-setup, or mythfrontend or mythbacken

[05:13:29]

tijoev:

it still boots into .18.1

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tijoev:

what am I missing?

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wagnerrp:

you did a 'make install'?

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tijoev:

yes

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wagnerrp:

youre installing to the proper prefix?

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tijoev:

proper prefix?

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tijoev:

i run make install in the .21 directory

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wagnerrp:

you mean on the unpacked source

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tijoev:

yes

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wagnerrp:

after configuring and make

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wagnerrp:

anyway, different distros want different prefixes

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wagnerrp:

some want /usr, some want /usr/local

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wagnerrp:

i believe the mythtv configure defaults to /usr/local

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tijoev:

my .18.1 is in /usr/local/share

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wagnerrp:

what is? hopefully not the binaries

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tijoev:

no the mythtv directory

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tijoev:

not /usr/local

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wagnerrp:

/usr/local/share/mythtv is just one folder mythtv uses

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wagnerrp:

it also dumps stuff to /usr/local/lib /usr/local/bin /usr/local/include

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tijoev:

so, do I need to add the /usr/local to configure or make install?

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wagnerrp:

/usr/local is the default path

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wagnerrp:

what distro are you running?

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tijoev:

suse 9.3

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tijoev:

kernel 2.6.13

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: No. Whether or not a distro "selects" /usr or /usr/local is a moot point. Distributions don't set that for software you compile yourself, period.

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Dagmar:

That path is built of parts by GNU autotools (i.e., autoconf/automake/etc) and will generally be /usr/local on every Linux distro out there.

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: well if he installed to /usr/local, and the distro package installed to /usr, /usr/bin may preceed /usr/local/bin in the default path

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wagnerrp:

so the old executables would take precedence

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Dagmar:

If he installed the distro's package then he needs to *uninstall* it before attempting to compile one

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wagnerrp:

ill go with that

[05:23:22]

Dagmar:

I wouldn't for a second count on any portion of the PATH taking precedent over the other because "standards" have changed three times since I've been working with Linux

[05:23:49]

Dagmar:

At one point /usr/local directories used to supercede anything in /usr, as a means of "seamlessly" upgrading over distributor's packages

[05:23:49]

tijoev:

I originally built .18.1 from a tarball

[05:23:59]

tijoev:

i don't use packages from suse

[05:24:42]

Dagmar:

Then some bright child realized that it causes conflicts elsewhere so they made it a configurable thing

[05:25:00]

phunyguy:

there xorg.conf is fixed

[05:25:05]

phunyguy:

reinstalled mythbuntu ;)

[05:25:09]

Dagmar:

Then they made it so /lib and /usr/lib always took precedent over anything else in /etc/ld.so.conf and found a few ways THAT would break and reverted it

[05:25:15]

phunyguy:

worked like a charm

[05:25:46]

Dagmar:

...but I can tell you that as of right now, it's almost guaranteed fail to let two installs of different versions of the same things live in prefixes which are BOTH in the $PATH

[05:25:59]

Dagmar:

S**t will break and the sharp pieces will make you bleed.

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Dagmar:

"mostly" things to /usr/local will at least not blindly overwrite anything the distribution shipped out

[05:27:23]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: it's possible to make it work

[05:27:37]

tijoev:

joev@linux:~/mythtv-0.21> $PATH bash: /home/joev/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/opt/gnome /bin:/opt/kde3/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/jre/bin: No such file or directory

[05:27:42]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: depending on how intelligent the thing is and how well the person who set it up is.

[05:27:48]

tjcarter:

er

[05:27:52]

tjcarter:

that almost parses

[05:27:58]

tjcarter:

long ... school year.

[05:27:59]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: Sure. *I* can make it work. But that's probably something to do with me having been at this since before we had color porno

[05:28:13]

wagnerrp:

to be honest, suse 9.3 and 2.6.13, you may want to consider overhauling the whole OS

[05:28:39]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: At the very least the expectations of IVTV support will fail merrily I suspect

[05:29:36]

tijoev:

the only reason I am upgrading to .21 is because of the channel data

[05:30:05]

Dagmar:

Ah just slap MythBuntu in there then if that's all you care about

[05:30:09]

tijoev:

since we just got our OTA transmitters on Maui yesterday

[05:30:25]

tijoev:

and zap2it no longer gives me the channel line up

[05:30:47]

wagnerrp:

youre going to have a much easier time getting ATSC tuners working with a modern kernel

[05:30:53]

Dagmar:

Looks like you'll just have to console yourself with all those hot island women

[05:31:02]

Dagmar:

*jealous*'

[05:31:17]

tijoev:

just want my mythtv

[05:31:29]

wagnerrp:

my card wasnt even added until 2.6.24

[05:31:42]

Dagmar:

tijoev: Seriously if you're not personally invested in the thing, try MythBuntu. Ther'es been a ton of changes to the interfaces that these cards use in the last year

[05:31:43]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: it's not hard to do for libraries. Doing it for mythtv would NOT be trivial.

[05:31:45]

tijoev:

everything worked just fine with this set-up

[05:31:54]

Dagmar:

You're likely to run into ugly weirdness from API changes

[05:32:32]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: This is why I'm saying the distribution-provied mythtv packages should be yanked out before building

[05:32:39]

tijoev:

this box also acts as a file server

[05:32:40]

Dagmar:

Otherwise, god only knows what it's going to link against.

[05:32:55]

tijoev:

don't really wanna update the entire box

[05:33:25]

Dagmar:

Understand that if you continue with that old kernel, if you start to hit problems, people aren't going to do much more than give you blank looks

[05:34:03]

Dagmar:

...and at least at that point you could boot the MythBuntu CD in live mode and see if the problem goes away

[05:34:04]

tijoev:

does .21 use kernel options that I need?

[05:34:16]

Dagmar:

It's not a kernel module. Why would it use kernel options?

[05:34:17]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: I can imagine how to do it, but I cannot imagine trying to do the work necessary to get away with it. Your solution is most sane.

[05:34:53]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: This is because a) I use Slackware and b) All the wankers who've made me troubleshoot problems stemming from them trying to make Dropline run on their nightmarishly polluted filesystem

[05:35:17]

tjcarter:

heh

[05:35:41]

tijoev:

is configuring xmltv grabber another option and keep running .18.1

[05:36:08]

wagnerrp:

there really arent any worthwhile xmltv grabbers in the US

[05:36:25]

Dagmar:

By most people's standards, he's not in the US

[05:36:44]

tijoev:

:)

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Dagmar:

*still jealous* (and I'm a no-sunlight goth)

[05:37:15]

wagnerrp:

its not like hes from some untaxed region like puerto rico

[05:37:45]

Dagmar:

No, he's just way way out in the ocean where all the "normal" means of getting TV the continental US have just don't even apply

[05:37:54]

Dagmar:

I'm not even sure he could point a dish at the same birds for DirectTV

[05:38:00]

tijoev:

true

[05:38:15]

tijoev:

that was one of the hardest adjustments

[05:38:38]

Dagmar:

I don't even want to think what cell phone service is like over there

[05:38:50]

tijoev:

which is why I was super stoked to find out our transmitters were going live one month earlier than the rest of the mainland

[05:39:02]

tijoev:

actually, cell is good

[05:39:12]

tijoev:

best bet V and ATT

[05:39:28]

Dagmar:

Suprising. I figured hte mountains would make it a little problematic, but I guess population is fairly distributed

[05:39:30]

tijoev:

cannot hack iPhone and use Tmobile :(

[05:39:41]

d0netsFN:

hey my recordings are off or somethin

[05:39:48]

iamlindoro:

Heh, most of us in metro areas have had our ATSC transmitters for several years :)

[05:39:50]

d0netsFN:

i schedule stuff to record, and it might be the same channel

[05:39:55]

d0netsFN:

but for some reason its a different show

[05:39:57]

d0netsFN:

im not sure whats goin on

[05:40:04]

Dagmar:

Yeah well, I work at a uni with so much brick we have Sprint retransmitters atop almost every building, so my options kinda suck as wel

[05:40:38]

Dagmar:

d0netsFN: Check yer clocks.

[05:40:57]

Dagmar:

I can use Sprint, or I can just not expect to have my cell phone work while I'm at the office.

[05:41:01]

d0netsFN:

i did

[05:41:06]

d0netsFN:

lemme run mythfilldatabase

[05:41:10]

d0netsFN:

maybe somethings mucked up with it

[05:41:21]

Dagmar:

So if it was wrong, I think you'll have to do a --refresh-all

[05:42:04]

d0netsFN:

huh?

[05:42:07]

d0netsFN:

how do i do that

[05:42:15]

Dagmar:

mythfilldatabase --help

[05:42:34]

d0netsFN:

i usually just open the mythbackend settings thing

[05:42:35]

d0netsFN:

and close it

[05:42:41]

d0netsFN:

and it asks if i want to run it

[05:42:47]

Dagmar:

hah

[05:42:49]

d0netsFN:

(it == mythfilldatabase)

[05:42:50]

Dagmar:

I didn't even know it would do that

[05:43:15]

Dagmar:

So many people just well, metaphorically, put the thing in their mouths and just drool all over everything.

[05:43:24]

tijoev:

is there a way to uninstall my .18.1 and just have the .21?

[05:43:42]

Dagmar:

Only if you packaged them properly.

[05:43:54]

Dagmar:

Otherwise you get to manually pick through and try to find all the pieces.

[05:45:20]

BenB:

tijoev: depends on how you installed it.

[05:45:24]

BenB:

and where

[05:46:29]

tijoev:

BenB, i ran the configure, make, and make install in the .21 directory

[05:46:38]

BenB:

tijoev: no, I mean 0.18

[05:46:44]

tijoev:

but my .18.1 still runs

[05:46:48]

tijoev:

cannot start .21

[05:47:21]

tijoev:

pretty sure same procedure in the .18 directory

[05:47:30]

tijoev:

it was 4 years ago

[05:47:41]

BenB:

tijoev: "whereis mythbackend"

[05:48:06]

BenB:

tijoev: "locate mythbackend" (takes longer, more exhaustive)

[05:48:25]

wagnerrp:

'which backend', yet one more option

[05:48:26]

BenB:

tijoev: "find / -name mythbackend" (takes longest, most exhaustive)

[05:49:18]

tijoev:

it is in /usr/local/bin

[05:49:32]

wagnerrp:

and 'mythbackend --version'?

[05:49:35]

BenB:

tijoev: /usr/local/bin/mythbackend --version

[05:49:47]

tijoev:

.18.1

[05:49:51]

BenB:

and "mythbackend --version"

[05:49:59]

BenB:

do both

[05:50:06]

wagnerrp:

then 'configure; make; make install' could not have run properly

[05:50:27]

tijoev:

both the same

[05:50:30]

tijoev:

.18.1

[05:50:45]

BenB:

tijoev: try "/usr/bin/mythbackend --version"

[05:51:39]

tijoev:

no such file or directory

[05:52:00]

BenB:

tijoev: ok. what wagnerrp said: you didn't install 0.21 properly.

[05:52:10]

BenB:

tijoev: which is actually a good thing, if you ask me:

[05:52:24]

BenB:

make a backup of your current system, whole harddrive (apart from video files)

[05:52:44]

wagnerrp:

if its a file server, that may not be possible

[05:53:05]

BenB:

then, either: make a copy of it on another partition, adapt the bootloader and /etc/fstab on the new partition, and install 0.21 in the copy.

[05:53:09]

wagnerrp:

he may just have the one big drive

[05:53:33]

BenB:

wagnerrp: sure you can copy "everything but this directory".

[05:53:33]

tijoev:

4 250gb drives

[05:53:49]

BenB:

tijoev: good.

[05:53:52]

tijoev:

one dedicated for data and three in an lvm for myth

[05:54:34]

BenB:

second option: just install a fresh and current linux distro.

[05:54:49]

BenB:

and copy over the mythtv database.

[05:55:31]

BenB:

tijoev: one warning: if you run a new mythbackend version, it upgrades your database. most likely, if you run mythbackend 0.21 once, you cannot go back to 0.18. that's why the backup is critically important.

[05:55:38]

tijoev:

eventhough configure, make, and make install said everything was fine

[05:55:45]

tijoev:

it still could have errored?

[05:55:51]

BenB:

backup and/or copy of whole OS inkl. DB

[05:55:53]

wagnerrp:

it could not have said everything was fine

[05:56:00]

wagnerrp:

because apparently it didnt install anything

[05:56:14]

BenB:

what wagnerrp said. how did you compile?

[05:56:38]

tijoev:

first I run configure

[05:56:46]

tijoev:

then make clean

[05:56:53]

tijoev:

then as root make install

[05:56:59]

tijoev:

standard

[05:57:01]

iamlindoro:

hoo boy

[05:57:06]

wagnerrp:

make clean usually whipes out everything you just did

[05:57:07]

BenB:

actually, nevermind. don't mess with your current OS installation. either make a copy or new fresh install.

[05:57:13]

iamlindoro:

that is *not* how the pros do it :)

[05:57:23]

iamlindoro:

(nor is it standard)

[05:57:40]

wagnerrp:

just how long did it take to run that?

[05:57:57]

tijoev:

configure and make were fast

[05:58:09]

tijoev:

make install took abt 10–15 minutes

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tijoev:

I will rm the .21 dir

[05:59:38]

tijoev:

download again

[05:59:42]

wagnerrp:

what for?

[05:59:49]

tijoev:

and start from scratch

[05:59:52]

wagnerrp:

just make distclean, you start fresh

[05:59:55]

tijoev:

or run make clean

[06:00:00]

tijoev:

configure

[06:00:01]

tijoev:

make

[06:00:08]

tijoev:

make install?

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wagnerrp:

sounds good, try that

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iamlindoro:

and remember that configure takes *options*

[06:01:32]

iamlindoro:

notably prefix and a gaggle of enables

[06:02:41]

tijoev:

make is taking longer than previous ones

[06:02:55]

wagnerrp:

what is your CPU?

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iamlindoro:

make will take much longer than make clean

[06:03:50]

tijoev:

I thin a 3.2

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J-e-f-f-A:

tijoev: on my Athlon 64 x2 4800+ it takes about 8 minutes... so it should take a little while... ;-)

[06:03:57]

tijoev:

think actually

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wagnerrp:

P4?

[06:04:08]

tijoev:

yes p4

[06:04:09]

wagnerrp:

that should take upwards of half an hour

[06:04:33]

tijoev:

git an error during make

[06:04:37]

tijoev:

got

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wagnerrp:

thats to be expected with such an old system

[06:04:58]

wagnerrp:

pastebin the error

[06:05:06]

tijoev:

i386/dsputil_mmx.c:3015: error: can't find a register in class `GENERAL_REGS' while reloading `asm'

[06:08:51]

BenB:

tijoev: I strongly recommend that you do *not* do make install.

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wagnerrp:

all i can think is that your old gcc version doesnt like your asm code

[06:09:14]

BenB:

tijoev: as I said, if you do that, or if you otherwise run the new mythbackend, you cannot go back to 0.18, if something goes wrong.

[06:09:16]

wagnerrp:

i have no experience with hand coded assembler

[06:09:57]

BenB:

tijoev: my guess would be that your compiler is too old, because your linux is probably just as old as mythtv 0.18

[06:10:04]

tijoev:

found something on google for a configure option

[06:11:57]

tijoev:

ran configure with --enable-proc-opt

[06:12:03]

tijoev:

now running make again

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tijoev:

ok, no luck

[06:17:36]

tijoev:

thanks for the help and suggestions

[06:17:55]

tijoev:

looks like I'll download a distro and start over

[06:17:59]

tijoev:

:(

[06:18:11]

BenB:

tijoev: I think that's your best option, yes.

[06:18:56]

tijoev:

is there a current distro of choice for myth?

[06:19:38]

BenB:

tijoev: no, your preference. I use ubuntu, with success.

[06:19:49]

BenB:

(plain ubuntu, not mythbuntu)

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tijoev:

with .21 there is no need for LVM?

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wagnerrp:

there are now 'storage groups', where mythtv can store directly to multiple directories

[06:22:10]

wagnerrp:

or hard drives

[06:22:27]

wagnerrp:

with load leveling between them

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tijoev:

gonna eat

[06:23:19]

tijoev:

thanks again

[06:23:35]

tijoev:

i'm sure i'll have more Qs after the upgrade

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BenB:

tijoev: be sure to search google and the mailing list first.

[06:24:20]

tijoev:

always do :)

[06:24:27]

BenB:

good :9

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strex:

Chicago: if your around I found the problem.

[07:20:21]

Chicago:

What's the problem?

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strex:

it's basically a bug in the nvidia driver, there's a whole (12 page) forum post about it.

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Chicago:

Oh

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Chicago:

Did you see the hint I left about the rtprio?

[07:21:22]

strex:

nv news, top most (active) post in the forum

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strex:

yes I did, it didn't help.

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Chicago:

bummer. So is it fixed? What did you need to do with the nvidia driver?

[07:21:56]

strex:

late lastnight after a few beers I just reinstalled with an old copy of mythdora 5..

[07:22:07]

Chicago:

Oh... and if your motherboard has capabilities, you can enable nvidia side-band addressing and AGP fast writes... that should give you a boost.

[07:22:24]

strex:

Chicago: the bug in the nvidia driver isn't fixed, and nvidia isn't helping much..

[07:22:54]

strex:

...finding link.

[07:26:05]

strex:

ttp://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=123912

[07:26:16]

strex:

add an H to that and your good, lol..

[07:26:42]

Chicago:

Oh, you're on the 180 drivers?

[07:28:07]

strex:

not any more..

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strex:

I tried 177, 180, 173 etc..

[07:28:35]

Chicago:

Maybe you can give me some insight into my current issue.

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strex:

sure will try.

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Chicago:

I am apparently brain-dead and am unable to make my Hauppauge HVR-1600 work.

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strex:

haha I have the exact same card, lemme find the posts I was following.. sec.

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Chicago:

The condition is when I build a kernel with the .config I think I need... I end up with a Kernel Panic – DMA memory would be corrupted.

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JackEStorm:

ok I have a really odd problem since Oct, mythtv-setup segfaults when I go in to Video Sources... even the lastest svn has this issue, it happends right after "DataDirect: Deleting temporary files"

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Anduin:

JackEStorm: would need a backtrace, preferably one with symbols

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JackEStorm:

Anduin: yeah thats what I thought...hoped someone had seen this before...lemme recompile

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khunt:

is there a way to burn a cd image to a dvd using k3b?

[08:40:13]

BenB:

khunt: sure.

[08:40:55]

BenB:

khunt: menu | Extras | Burn ISO-image on DVD...

[08:41:36]

khunt:

cool

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BenB:

khunt: your image is a (700 MB) CD-ROM image or a DVD image? I think even the former would work (waste of money), but not sure.

[08:42:12]

khunt:

trying to convert my old xbox into a front end but it does not read cdrs but it does read dvdrs

[08:42:32]

BenB:

ah. strange.

[08:42:37]

khunt:

common

[08:42:51]

khunt:

its a "feature" of the toshiba drives in them

[08:43:10]

BenB:

ah. never had an xbox, so I wouldn't know.

[08:43:39]

khunt:

I will see how well it does as a front end until i buy a itx pc

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BenB:

good luck

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khunt:

it only has a p3 700 mhz and 64mb ram. But it is supposed to work there is a bit on the wiki about it

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mchou:

why burn a cd or dvd at all....

[09:00:08]

mchou:

nfs mount the iso via loopback

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BenB:

mchou: you can't boot from that.

[09:03:27]

BenB:

not an xbox, for sure :)

[09:04:19]

wagnerrp:

well you can certainly boot from an iso. but yes, i would doubt you could do so on an xbox

[09:05:00]

wagnerrp:

not without installing some sort of boot loader on first

[09:05:06]

BenB:

wagnerrp: how do you boot from an nfs-mounted iso image? you mean pxeboot?

[09:05:16]

BenB:

(on a normal pc)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, boot into pxeboot, and then have it load a memory disk

[09:05:54]

wagnerrp:

i use that for reinstalling my computers

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BenB:

I'd be glad to have a working pxeboot in the first place. in my case (asus nvidia mainboard), it permanently fried the MAC-address, making these PCs rather useless for netboot (and difficult for normal networking)

[09:06:44]

mchou:

burning isos is just so passe

[09:06:59]

mchou:

use a usb stick to boot if you have to

[09:07:07]

Chicago:

or PXE :)

[09:07:18]

wagnerrp:

permanently fried the MAC address?

[09:07:21]

BenB:

mchou: yes. I'd be happy if distros started to support it. it's quite a hassle for many distros – I tried.

[09:07:28]

BenB:

ubuntu improved, also due to my bug reports.

[09:07:29]

wagnerrp:

you mean you fried the boot rom?

[09:07:36]

mchou:

BenB: support what exactly?

[09:08:03]

BenB:

mchou: you can't write the CD ISO image to a USB stick, because many of the installers assume a CD and look for a CD drive.

[09:08:18]

mchou:

BenB: sure you can

[09:08:39]

BenB:

mchou: well, I tried. I tried hard. doesn't work. esp. on suse.

[09:08:44]

mchou:

the assumption of CD drive can easily be changed

[09:08:50]

BenB:

ubuntu is only marginally better

[09:09:12]

BenB:

mchou: no, definitely not easily. I tried it for many hours.

[09:09:16]

mchou:

BenB: you just need to edit the linuxrc in the initrd

[09:09:30]

mchou:

it's pretty simple really

[09:09:49]

BenB:

mchou: no. I said the *installer* assumes a CD drive. something in the initrd tried to mount a CD, and hard fails if there's no CD inserted.

[09:10:10]

wagnerrp:

initrds are usually just cpio'd, gzip'd archives

[09:10:11]

mchou:

yes, and that's in the linuxrc in the initrd

[09:10:26]

wagnerrp:

fairly simple to extract, modify, and repack

[09:10:28]

BenB:

that's a pointless argument... I would like to use USB sticks, I just found them to be not very well supported by distro's ISO images / installers.

[09:10:51]

mchou:

BenB: pointless argument? I'm telling how to DO it

[09:11:04]

mchou:

BenB: hardly pointless

[09:11:04]

BenB:

wagnerrp: no, repackaing an initrd and hacking the installer does *not* count as "easy" or "simple".

[09:11:13]

mchou:

oh lord

[09:11:24]

wagnerrp:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick

[09:11:32]

mchou:

yeah, cpio is too hard to invoke

[09:11:48]

mchou:

*sneer*

[09:12:06]

BenB:

wagnerrp: there are at least 3 docs how to do it. conflicting (completely different ways). most of them didn't work.

[09:12:24]

BenB:

mchou: sneer indeed. you guys have an attitude...

[09:12:56]

mchou:

attitude? dude, we're telling how to achive it and you're giving us attitude

[09:13:05]

mchou:

achieve*

[09:13:19]

BenB:

mchou: don't tell me. write a clear, simple howto on the distro's wiki.

[09:13:28]

wagnerrp:

heres one for suse, http://en.opensuse.org/SuSE_install_from_USB_drive

[09:13:36]

mchou:

good luck installing a cdrom/dvdrom on every machine you own or dont own

[09:13:43]

BenB:

wagnerrp: yes, I tried that as well. didn't work either.

[09:13:57]

mchou:

BenB: quite frankly, that's not my job

[09:14:13]

wagnerrp:

anyway, what did you manage to 'burn' on your onboard NIC?

[09:14:14]

BenB:

mchou: <mchou> we're telling how to achive it

[09:14:47]

BenB:

wagnerrp: the MAC address was resetted to some 80:0:0:0:something, same for all machines.

[09:15:00]

mchou:

BenB: editing linuxrc is hardly difficult

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BenB:

mchou: again, editing linuxrc is *not* sufficient for suse.

[09:15:31]

mchou:

BenB: oh lord

[09:15:33]

wagnerrp:

i was under the impression you werent supposed to be able to do that

[09:16:00]

wagnerrp:

i suppose you can burn it up just like any other chip...

[09:16:08]

BenB:

wagnerrp: persistently – even when I booted normally from harddisk, the MAC address was that. it worked (had a proper, unique one) before I tried nvidia PXEboot

[09:16:15]

wagnerrp:

but actually setting it to something seems odd

[09:16:19]

mchou:

BenB: it's sufficient for any iso

[09:17:12]

BenB:

mchou: which part of "the installer programm searches for a CD drive and tries to mount it, and fails, if it doesn't find a suse CD in the CD drive" didn't you understand?

[09:17:35]

kormoc:

BenB, It's not worth arguing with him...

[09:17:40]

BenB:

wagnerrp: yes, very odd problem. it's not supposed to happen.

[09:17:48]

BenB:

kormoc: thanks. yes, I'll stop.

[09:18:06]

BenB:

wagnerrp: I was a very broken BIOS.

[09:18:16]

BenB:

s/I/it/

[09:18:27]

wagnerrp:

i mean thats usually a RMAable offense

[09:18:42]

mchou:

BenB: ever heard of the command 'ln'?

[09:18:53]

BenB:

wagnerrp: yes. if Asus didn't have super-crap customer support.

[09:19:01]

mchou:

BenB: oh lord

[09:19:17]

mchou:

just go ahead and blame everybody else.

[09:19:24]

wagnerrp:

ive never dealt with Asus, but they cant possibly be as bad as DFI

[09:19:45]

mchou:

so far you've blamed suse, asus, who knows who else....

[09:19:55]

BenB:

wagnerrp: DFI is bad as well? never had anything form them. but Asus is well-known to be very bad, yes. even worse for notebooks.

[09:20:00]

wagnerrp:

DFI has like 3 people in their US call center, and no answering machine

[09:20:13]

BenB:

mchou: you, mythtv, tv card vendors, dvb driver writers.

[09:20:14]

wagnerrp:

theyre fairly responsive to email, but dont expect anything over the phone

[09:20:50]

mchou:

BenB: yeah. eveonyone else has it working except you. Now think hard about that

[09:20:54]

BenB:

wagnerrp: oh, you can reach asus on phone. just that it has no effects in real life.

[09:21:23]

tank-man:

BenB, slackware supports booting/installing from usb/pxe boot

[09:21:26]

BenB:

mchou: I can't think.

[09:21:31]

BenB:

mchou: me stupid.

[09:21:40]

mchou:

BenB: that much was clear

[09:22:16]

BenB:

tank-man: yes, that's an alternative... I think grub can do the same.

[09:22:33]

BenB:

just ignore the stupid vendor bios and use open source software on a SUB stick.

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janneg:

Seagate's 7200.11 problems seems to be more serious than previously reported: http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/selfser . . . p;NewLang=en

[09:30:17]

mchou:

janneg: maybe that's why they got ride of their ceo

[09:30:48]

mchou:

rid*

[09:30:58]

janneg:

I don't think the CEO is responsible for firmware developing

[09:31:08]

mchou:

janneg: Seagate is going down in flames

[09:31:08]

BenB:

they got rid of the CEO the same day when they fired lots of employees. seems like the CEO was strictly opposed to firing people.

[09:31:34]

mchou:

janneg: no, but he and and company are liable

[09:32:26]

BenB:

I wish they were

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[09:35:32]

mchou:

how a reputable drive manufacturer fell down so badly is just plain sad

[09:36:21]

BenB:

yes. happened to IBM 10 years ago as well. was the beginning of the end for IBM harddrives.

[09:36:49]

BenB:

they used to be the best, then had lots of failures. I had 3 of the series, and at least 2 of those failed.

[09:37:43]

mchou:

IBM drives are still around. They're just called Hitachi now

[09:38:29]

mchou:

They've at least emerged from those dark days

[09:38:43]

BenB:

i know, but IBM is out of the business, and it took a serious dent either way. I don't buy hitachi up to this day.

[09:38:44]

mchou:

drive quality, that is

[09:39:19]

pat_:

I don't care, I figure on drives breaking and buy two and raid 1 them for that purpose

[09:39:28]

pat_:

they're cheap enough these days

[09:39:38]

** BenB points to ZFS **

[09:39:47]

mchou:

pat_: not if the firmware is bad

[09:39:55]

BenB:

pat_: not if you have bit errors.

[09:39:58]

pat_:

then I can rely on the backups

[09:40:11]

mchou:

raid doesnt do you any good if you have bad drive firmware

[09:40:19]

BenB:

pat_: you make backups AND RAID1 of your mythtv video store?

[09:40:26]

mchou:

what backups??

[09:40:26]

pat_:

actually, yes

[09:40:43]

clever:

mchou: yeah, if you buy a pair of matching drives, the firmware may fail in matching ways

[09:40:51]

BenB:

mchou: bad firmware in this case makes the drive dead. RAID1/5 help there.

[09:40:53]

clever:

breaking the mirror in the same point on both sides

[09:41:20]

BenB:

true...

[09:41:33]

BenB:

(assuming both fail roughly at the same time.)

[09:42:00]

mchou:

love the ppl who think RAID gives them "protection"

[09:42:07]

clever:

if its a firmware programing problem, then it could easily depend on the contents of the data

[09:42:24]

clever:

mchou: i found a thread on the mailing list explaining how raid would fail by a certain year

[09:42:39]

pat_:

raid gives me availability

[09:42:41]

mchou:

doesnt give them any protection at al from bad firmware on raid controller or HDDs

[09:42:48]

clever:

mchou: the logic was that drives would get so huge, that your likely to get a 2nd failure while copying to the new drive

[09:42:49]

pat_:

I don't have to rebuild when a drive fails

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mchou:

all*

[09:42:56]

BenB:

http://channelsun.sun.com/video/shouting+in+t . . . r/6160269001

[09:43:26]

clever:

if it takes 3 weeks to rebuild and replace the failed drive

[09:43:30]

pat_:

I hate having to rebuild all the software and reinstall everything and configure it just right...

[09:43:32]

clever:

thats 3 weeks your unprotected

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mchou:

pat_: dont have to rebuild?? what are you smoking? If you're data is scrambled there is no recovery cause you have a useless mirror

[09:44:10]

mchou:

your*

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pat_:

maybe I had a poor choice of words, I don't have to reinstall all the software

[09:45:02]

pat_:

I rebuild the raid array as a matter of priority

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BenB:

clever: well, I think we're still quite far until it takes 3 weeks to fully write a harddrive.

[09:46:08]

pat_:

with raid 1 it doesn't take long to rebuild the array

[09:46:08]

mchou:

pat_: which part dont you grok? RAID doesnt protect you from firmware bugs

[09:46:18]

clever:

BenB: yeah, but as drives keep getting bigger, it will take longer to rebuild

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pat_:

mchou, that's why I've got everything backed up

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pat_:

I'm not fussy with brands either, I buy all types

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BenB:

clever: it currently takes about 4hours to fully write a 1.5 TB drive, assuming 100MByte/s.

[09:47:41]

BenB:

clever: once we're in the weeks range, I guess we already migrated to solid state.

[09:47:41]

clever:

BenB: nice numbers:P, i can bearly get 40mbyte/sec from my PATA drives

[09:48:16]

BenB:

clever: well, make it 8 hours. time to ship the drive is more significant :)

[09:48:22]

clever:

yeah

[09:48:30]

clever:

but if you raid1 3 drives together

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clever:

then even if 1 fails, you have a 2 drive mirror, and are safe

[09:48:58]

BenB:

did you guys see the sun video I posted above? that, and the higher densitiy, is one main reason for drives failing.

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BenB:

also in case of seagate 1.5TB apparently.

[09:49:15]

BenB:

vibrations

[09:49:22]

clever:

BenB: thats what i suspected a few years ago

[09:49:32]

clever:

our new gateway with a 'large' 3gig drive :P

[09:49:46]

clever:

after about 4 months, it had too many bad sectors to do anything

[09:49:55]

clever:

kept getting replacements and it kept failing

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BenB:

clever: I'm for ZFS with raidz (or raidz2, if you want)

[09:50:20]

clever:

a few years after we stoped using that laptop, i stuck a STABLE 300mb drive in there

[09:50:30]

clever:

*munch munch munch*

[09:50:39]

BenB:

still, that doesn't protect from controller problems, or other odd events making several drives fail at the same time for the same cause.

[09:50:40]

clever:

the hdd controler ate it:P

[09:51:23]

clever:

next, my toughbook cf-25 laptops

[09:51:29]

BenB:

yes, controllers – and cables!

[09:51:30]

clever:

military grade

[09:51:36]

BenB:

that's one reason why SATA is good.

[09:51:44]

clever:

the hdd is sitting inside a large chunk of gel to absorb shock

[09:51:57]

BenB:

clever: ptu the whole notebook in gel!

[09:51:58]

clever:

you can drop the laptop on your foot, break your foot, and not even upset the hdd

[09:52:22]

clever:

the problem is that nearly every drive i put in the thing, isnt perfectly balanced

[09:52:26]

BenB:

clever: I put mine in a plastic bag and in the (filled) bath tube. super shock resistant.

[09:52:31]

clever:

once you put it in gel, the whole thing vibrates

[09:52:39]

clever:

and gets read errors durring boot

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BenB:

duh

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BenB:

my very limited experience with disk vibration also shows that using a good case with nice harddrive "rails" is the best.

[09:54:43]

BenB:

I'm using lian li (the best) and chieftec CA-01

[09:54:47]

clever:

i ran out of spaces to put hdd's once in my P4 box

[09:55:02]

BenB:

works fine so far, barely audible, unless the hdd seeks.

[09:55:04]

clever:

so i stacked the drives loose in the cdrom bay area

[09:55:14]

clever:

with plastic tubs to seperate them for airflow&stuff

[09:55:26]

clever:

so every drive was insulated from eachother

[09:55:34]

clever:

and had no way to transfer heat out

[09:55:37]

BenB:

clever: duh.. I have the same problem, that's why the CA-01 – it has 8 3.5" hdd slots.

[09:55:53]

BenB:

very nice thing as mythtv file server.

[09:56:15]

clever:

i dont know what id do with 8 slots, i can only ever get 4 online at once

[09:56:36]

BenB:

clever: why that? add a satax4 controler.

[09:57:09]

clever:

i plan to do that later on, but i first need to find a relatively low cost 1tb sata drive

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clever:

last one i looked at online was 60$ in shiping, allmost half the cost of the drive itself

[09:57:42]

mchou:

what??

[09:57:56]

mchou:

what king of highway robbery is that?

[09:58:07]

clever:

i think that was from tiger direct.com

[09:58:08]

mchou:

sounds like fleabay

[09:58:10]

BenB:

my file server, works well (others did not): Chieftec CA-01, Enermax Libery 500W, mini-atx board with onboard gfx and sata x4, sii3114 sata x4 PCI controller, Western Digital and seagate drives,

[09:59:44]

clever:

my current master backend is horid for actual storage

[09:59:51]

clever:

the bios cant handle anything over 20gig

[10:00:20]

BenB:

clever: I separate recording backend and file server anyways. I wouldn't let a TV card near my valuable data.

[10:00:26]

BenB:

TV cards are horrible.

[10:00:46]

clever:

technicaly, theres no data stored INSIDE the capture box, its on a usb enclosure

[10:00:58]

clever:

and im not even using that storage dir anymore, its full

[10:01:09]

mchou:

BenB: you were saying? http://en.opensuse.org/Installation_without_CD

[10:01:12]

clever:

ive spread my storage to 4 systems at once

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clever:

mchou: my master backend runs with / on nfs

[10:01:46]

clever:

the identical / to half my frontends and 'desktop use' laptops

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BenB:

mchou: "I have not tried this with the DVD but i know it works with the CD."

[10:02:40]

clever:

you need to know what your doing when you share /'s like that, better to just run copys of it when you can

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BenB:

mchou: note that I was looking for a way to install from USB stick, not download the packages from the network.

[10:03:43]

mchou:

BenB: yes, you mentioned suse installer assumes CD. *snicker*

[10:03:49]

BenB:

mchou: it does.

[10:04:04]

mchou:

<BenB> mchou: "I have not tried this with the DVD but i know it works with the CD."

[10:04:24]

BenB:

mchou: unlike that guy, I *tried* it. and unlike you, who's just talking.

[10:04:34]

mchou:

BenB: that clearly disproves what you're asserting

[10:04:39]

BenB:

no, it does not.

[10:04:44]

BenB:

end of discussion.

[10:04:45]

kormoc:

BenB, value... none...

[10:05:14]

mchou:

kormoc: you're hardly in any position to talk about value

[10:05:59]

mchou:

BenB: nowhere on that site says anthink about d/l packages. It's all about installing the OS

[10:06:15]

mchou:

anything*

[10:06:20]

BenB:

mchou: "Internet/Network install"

[10:06:54]

BenB:

mchou: what's your goal here? it's clearly not to help, otherwise you'd try your claims out and write a clear howto.

[10:07:50]

mchou:

BenB: my goal here is to tell you Suse supports installtion from sources other than CD/DVD

[10:08:46]

mchou:

BenB: instead you're blabbering own about d/l packages, which is not mentioned at all on that web page

[10:09:09]

mchou:

on*

[10:13:08]

BenB:

please write a howto doc how to get from the official DVD ISO to a bootable USB memory stick which contains everything needed for a full installation (no network needed), in 3 steps: wget, foo, cat > /dev/sdb

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BenB:

where foo is one or zero command.

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tank-man:

so write a small shell script if you want

[10:13:57]

tank-man:

wtf

[10:14:29]

tank-man:

that page mchou linked to shows how to boot from usb and copy the dvd packages to local harddrive, network or usb to install from

[10:14:31]

BenB:

yes, that'd be fine. I'm just asking him to do it, for the whole world, instead of just talking here.

[10:14:37]

BenB:

and making claims.

[10:15:02]

mchou:

BenB: for the whole world? Nobody is asking for it execpt you

[10:15:10]

BenB:

tank-man: no, it doesn't. that's the problem.

[10:15:33]

mchou:

BenB: if you have issues with suse (or the wiki) submit a bug report

[10:15:35]

BenB:

or it didn't work, I don't remember.

[10:15:47]

tank-man:

"Installing from data saved on your local machine"

[10:15:47]

BenB:

mchou: I have issues with you. I'll stop responding now.

[10:16:12]

tank-man:

thats the header of the paragraph taht starts telling how to do it

[10:16:16]

BenB:

tank-man: yes, I tried it. didn't work.

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tank-man:

which part?

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mchou:

BenB: so why are you complaining about that here?

[10:17:03]

mchou:

BenB: go thell Suse or chnage the wiki

[10:17:07]

BenB:

tank-man: the part where I tell the installer to use the packages (copied from DVD) on the USB stick. that failed.

[10:17:10]

mchou:

tell*

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mchou:

what 'packages?' The instructions says iso.

[10:18:12]

BenB:

tank-man: when I used the other way with another installer version, it failed because it tried to mount the CD and there was none.

[10:18:26]

BenB:

mchou: that too.

[10:18:49]

BenB:

mchou: I tried for *hours*, at least 10 attempts.

[10:19:16]

BenB:

/ignore

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mchou:

that's just rich

[10:20:21]

mchou:

when overwhelmed by evidence.....

[10:20:32]

clever:

some distro's like gentoo can be started with a relatively small 130mb file

[10:20:47]

clever:

just unpack it to the root drive from any livecd

[10:21:07]

clever:

then a normal chroot and start building the kernel

[10:21:44]

clever:

ive also seen lnx-bbc.com which is a bootable mini cd(smaller size)

[10:22:00]

clever:

pair that with a usb stick containing gentoo and you got a small installer

[10:22:08]

clever:

though the gentoo disk is probly better

[10:22:34]

mchou:

clever: stop going on and on about gentoo. they're dead

[10:22:36]

BenB:

clever: I filed a bug against ubuntu, and they now have a USB stick image which you just need to cat img > /dev/sdb, mount, and copy the CD iso on it, and it works.

[10:22:41]

clever:

lol

[10:23:04]

clever:

BenB: there has been a walkthru for that in #ubuntu for years

[10:23:13]

clever:

just do !install and its somewhere in there

[10:24:03]

BenB:

clever: yes, I could do it with ubuntu before that, but this makes it much easier.

[10:24:13]

BenB:

clever: I'd really like to have that subject rest now.

[10:25:20]

clever:

i have also recently made a script to fully setup&configure a ubuntu based frontend with 1 command

[10:25:59]

clever:

it just uses debootstrap from within an existing system

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BenB:

clever: nice

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BenB:

clever: is it published?

[10:27:02]

clever:

not yet

[10:27:10]

clever:

and the config is fairly custom

[10:27:24]

clever:

you would have to modify large chunks to make it work together with your existing setup

[10:27:59]

mchou:

clever: lol. forgettabutit!

[10:28:32]

mchou:

clever: that man has trouble with 10 line instructions

[10:29:06]

clever:

ive met many like that before:P

[10:29:19]

clever:

i give the guy 3 commands to run in linux to find his exact answer

[10:29:27]

clever:

turns out he is on the windows system

[10:29:34]

clever:

and refuses to even try putty, or get off his lazy ass

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BenB:

clever: you're setting up so many frontends in your house that you wrote a script for it? :)

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laga:

he probably found some 486s

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kormoc:

xts

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BenB:

laga: I know... he's helping the teacher in his school to administrate the PCs, and put mythtv on it. (no insult, just kidding, clever)

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justinh:

well, made changes to my capturecard settings & EIT setup.. so hopefully there'll be no more 'recorder failed' guff

[11:25:49]

justinh:

awww. mythphone go BYEBYEs :)

[11:26:02]

laga:

anything on -users yet?

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justinh:

not AFAICT

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justinh:

I'd only ever tried to make it work in an attempt to theme it or get screenshots of it.. but um... drew a blank. gave up, thought not much lost

[11:28:15]

laga:

i don't think i ever got it working with my VOIP provider

[11:28:26]

laga:

i now use my nokia n95 with sipgate, which works..

[11:28:36]

laga:

too bad i get drop outs after talking for an hour or two

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Dibblah:

laga: Stop off at the front desk and drop in your geek badge on the way out ;)

[11:29:51]

Dibblah:

Talking for more than 5 minutes? ;)

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laga:

haha

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Similian:

hello everybody

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Similian:

can i apply filters on the mythtv-news reader?

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Similian:

for example

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Similian:

scrubs on the eztv rss

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justinh:

to the mythmobile! somebody would like it to be easier to track down illegally shared TV episodes!

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justinh:

Similian: no, mythnews doesn't have any filtering. you'd be best off doing that kind of thing on a desktop machine anyway, I'd have thought...

[13:21:51]

laga:

shouldn't be too hard to add, though

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justinh:

with the all-singing, all-dancing mythui search list widget thingy :)

[13:23:39]

justinh:

ok, maybe it doesn't sing & dance.. I liked

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gbee:

freudian

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justinh:

whoops. s/liked/lied

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laga:

always watch out what the lady at the butcher's gives you. turns out my lunch is a bit more uncooked than i liked.

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justinh:

you still have real butcher's shops there?

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laga:

yes. but of course, i went to a super market :)

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justinh:

our nearest one was 10 miles away, but it's closed now. there's always Oldham market though, still

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justinh:

course if you want halal, there's plenty more choice :)

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laga:

;)

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laga:

so it takes about one hour to cook this thing

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laga:

time for some cereals.

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justinh:

what 'thing' ?

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justinh:

must be small for a roast if it only takes an hour.. unless you're using a thermite oven :P

[13:37:18]

justinh:

and why am I suddenly wondering whatever happened to mythrecipe?

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gbee:

one just a mile and a half from me, or was the last time I went into the village

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gbee:

and in the city, a couple of miles in the other direction there is a full meat/fish market

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justinh:

I like buying meats from oldham market. cheaper, and better than the supermarket stuff by miles

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justinh:

only problem is, having to go into oldham. shudder

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laga:

i got rickrolled in the super market

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laga:

guess i should stayed in bed today :)

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gbee:

justinh: yeah, pretty much the same here, fruit/veg at the market isn't bad either

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justinh:

laga: could've been worse. you might have bumped into Dale Winton

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justinh:

oops. you won't know who he is. if you're lucky

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gbee:

heh

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Gozar:

Hi. I have mythtvbackend up and running on another pc/192.168.0.3). I'm trying to connect to it from this pc. I've set up mythfrontend to connect to the dbserver at 192.168.0.3 and that seems to connect. However when I try to watch tv I can't connect to the master backend. and the console shows that myththfrondend trys to connect to 127.0.0.1:6543. How do I tell mythtvfrondend to connect to 192.138.0.3:6543?

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justinh:

Gozar: my bet would be that the master backend is still set to run on 127.0.0.1. stop the master backend daemon , and run mythtv-setup. change 127.0.0.1 to 192.168.0.3 – assuming of course that the machine isn't getting its IP address by DHCP

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justinh:

then restart mythbackend on the master backend.. all should then be well

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laga:

justinh: it's a chicken leg ;)

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justinh:

so you bought a cooked chicken leg at the supermarket & it wasn't cooked properly? I'd raise hell

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justinh:

I stayed at a youth hostel once.. was chicken for dinner.. guy sitting next to me bit into a leg & it sprayed blood onto two people. few people ate that evening

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/terra_videomanager.png ?

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laga:

justinh: it wasn't cooked at all. she gave me the wrong thing ;)

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gbee:

with the video information/normal manager content on the right?

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justinh:

gbee: oooo

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justinh:

:D

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laga:

sweet

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gbee:

I'll take that as a yes

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justinh:

heheh

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justinh:

very much so

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justinh:

I might be in a state where I can start posting screenshots again by this time next week

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gbee:

well glad that the vertical list works as well as the horizontal does since there are places where you simply have to have a vertical list but everything I'd done so far for this theme was horizontal :)

[14:03:51]

gbee:

galleries are going to be my biggest headache

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justinh:

there's always a limit to how far you can keep layouts similar IMHO

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justinh:

and a downside to keeping layouts similar is that people could easily lose track of which screen they're on ;)

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gbee:

yeah, feared I might have painted myself into a corner

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Gozar:

justinh: Thanks, now at least I can connect to the backend

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justinh:

I think it's generally enough to keep the graphical style the same ;)

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gbee:

Gerhard has offered me the use of his icons that he created for the green theme he showed us back at LRL, I think I'm happier with photos but having seen his theme again I think it has to be made whether he does it, or one of us lot does it on his behalf

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gbee:

http://www.aldorf.no/main.jpg

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gbee:

just to make you sick, he drew those icons himself ...

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justinh:

3d models :)

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justinh:

in 3DS Max IIRC

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gbee:

goes to show that when you get someone who can actually draw creating themes then Terra/metallurgy will become a distant memory

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justinh:

and he does 3D graphics for TV, for a living... or did a while ago

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justinh:

I console myself with that :)

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justinh:

thing is, we'll always be 'lumbered' with 'people like us' – i.e. graphics non-professionals doing this stuff as long as no professionals step forward & volunteer their services

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justinh:

AFAIK, the folks skinning XBMC et al are all (or are mostly) moonlighting from their graphic design jobs

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justinh:

I've seen my stuff called 'professional looking' – but that only served to make me question the viewer's eyesight

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justinh:

and besides how hard is it to draw rounded, shaded rectangles? ;)

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janneg:

gbee: wow, shiny but I think I would get sick if I had to look more than a minute at that green

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justinh:

I'm definitely stuck in a bit of a rut though, seems I can't come up with anything revolutionary

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justinh:

think I'm gonna ditch the shiny stuff though for sure

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justinh:

gbee: what yours & iamlindoro's work is doing IMHO is letting the content shine through in the graphical elegance. the likes of blootube.. way too showy

[14:22:19]

gbee:

you're wrong, there is a place for blootube

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gbee:

blootube wide reimagined using mythui would be fantastic

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justinh:

maybe. I think I just got too tired of the ones I've done in the past for me to stay enthusiastic about them

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gbee:

yeah I understand

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justinh:

that's likely the reason I ended up being so prodigious too

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justinh:

aka short attention span :P

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gbee:

what both iamlindoro and I have in common is that we've not done a lot of themeing with the old UI, had we done so then it might be a lot harder to break out of the rut created by the limitations of the old stuff

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gbee:

many of the ideas I'm putting into Terra was stuff that I've spent months imagining to be possible with mythui

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gbee:

I didn't come up with this stuff overnight, it has occupied my mind for what seems like forever

[14:30:21]

gbee:

the colour scheme and ancillary details, yes those are new

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gbee:

most frustrating is that having set a particular style for the theme, I can't put in all my ideas or mythui features, e.g. I can't really see where I'm going to be able to fit reflections into this

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justinh:

mythui is just as much about freedom of layout as it is 'bling'.. if not more so IMHO.. so maybe you don't need to 'showboat' as much as 'showcase'

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justinh:

it's your perogative though.. goes without saying :)

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gbee:

yeah, trying to keep things subtle and not go overboard

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gbee:

the demo theme I talked about would be for that ;)

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justinh:

showboat-wide :D

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justinh:

when all the swooping movement stuff is in, I'm guessing only demo videos will ever do a theme justice

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justinh:

some of the ideas I have now are (you might hate me for saying this) still bound over by limitations, but without a brain transplant I probably won't be able to help

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justinh:

I'm still wracking my brains over that button positioning code. I need a eureka! moment or ten

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test2:

damn the install of mythtv is so easy now ! what a change between OS10.3 and OS11 :))

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laga:

justinh: damn, can't add you on facebook ;)

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justinh:

laga: course not!

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justinh:

as soon as I let my guard down, those pesky people I used to go to school with or work with are requesting me to add them

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laga:

haha

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justinh:

last person who got through the net, I allowed to add me.. said hi & asked when he was up to.. then heard absolutely nothing for months. so he got deleted

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justinh:

dunno about anyone else, but I consider friends to be people I at least speak to (if not in person) once in a while :P

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justinh:

or you know.. people I've met in person at least once :)

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dustybin:

laga: monit seems to cause a few problems when it monitors mysql with the 'mythtv' group

[15:09:05]

dustybin:

when i start the backend a sh*t load of trying to connect to mysql errors appear in the mythbackend.log

[15:09:24]

dustybin:

its not until i restart, mysql manually, that it connects and the errors go away

[15:09:33]

** justinh wonders if it'd be worthwhile trying to write something that helps to investigate the recorder failures **

[15:10:19]

justinh:

like, if 'recorder failed' appears in a log, do lsof on all the dvb adapters & log that.. if it's not already too late by then

[15:10:58]

justinh:

but I think it can only be mythbackend using any of them, which is why I was veering toward a race condition in the code last night in my theorising

[15:12:52]

justinh:

see what happens in a while now that I've increased the backend inactivity timeout before grabbing EIT data.. if it still crops up, maybe then I'll get the big guns out

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justinh:

dustybin: backend rebooting at all?

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dustybin:

justinh: i beg your pardon, that sounds rude

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laga:

that's probably the least rude thing justinh has said today

[15:19:45]

justinh:

ok then – is your backend emmitting guff?

[15:19:49]

dustybin:

justinh: not rebooting, just a lots of ongoing 'connect connect to mysql errors'

[15:20:37]

justinh:

maybe your mysql server's grasp on reality is tenuous ;)

[15:20:48]

dustybin:

No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

[15:21:29]

dustybin:

Host 'sdfdsfds' is blocked because of many connection errors; unblock with 'mysqladmin flush-hosts'

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justinh:

sounds like it's swamped with dead connections

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dustybin:

monit connects to both mysql and mythbackend, it creates a dummy connection to see if the services are alive

[15:22:03]

dustybin:

its something to do with that

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justinh:

tasty

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justinh:

only time I've ever known mysql fall over was when / got full up

[15:22:37]

justinh:

and /var lives in my / parition

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justinh:

partition, even

[15:22:53]

justinh:

FWIW I wouldn't bother monitoring it

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justinh:

but then, I don't bother monitoring mythbackend either

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dustybin:

i think ive found a way around it, im checking mysql with the 'mysql' group instead. and im now checking mythbackend, but if it detects the service is off, i will manually restart it myself

[15:23:39]

justinh:

yay go monit. way to waste your time :)

[15:23:40]

dustybin:

a good way for me to look at the logs before i restart it

[15:24:04]

dustybin:

justinh: this is how its working: http://empire.ispeeds.net/~subx/Picture%201.png

[15:24:35]

justinh:

if the backend is ever falling over, best bet is to look into it with more logging and maybe stuff some debug code in, not patch it up with restarts

[15:25:03]

dustybin:

justinh: ive turned the restarts off, however, if it goes down it still sends me a warning that its down

[15:25:08]

dustybin:

ill do the rest manually

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gbee:

auto-expire

[15:27:03]

justinh:

yeah gbee I was gonna suggest that. crank autoexpire down.. or up

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justinh:

in my.cnf :)

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dustybin:

i'm just wondering, if there are 2x frontends connected to the backend, and you restart the backend, could both frontends try and connect at the same time causing collisions?

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justinh:

doubt it

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justinh:

to me it looks like too many connections are staying open to your mysql server

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justinh:

and it could just be because it isn't timing them out fast enough when they go inactive

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justinh:

or maybe it's timing out the connection from mythbackend too soon

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dustybin:

i need to take a look at the logs

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dustybin:

and the monit conf

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dustybin:

ok

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justinh:

in all of 5 years I've used mythtv, mysql has fell over once

[15:40:00]

justinh:

and that was cos it ran out of space on /

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justinh:

mythbackend.. hasn't fallen over that many times either. not had many missed recordings at all – then you compare it to a standalone PVR... then it looks even more reliable ;)

[15:43:53]

justinh:

never forget the people I've met at expos where their first question is "why does the backend keep falling over?"... they're so funny

[15:44:05]

dustybin:

yes without a doubt, mythtv is pretty dam stable these days

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dustybin:

lol

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justinh:

it's hard for them not to take "have you tried enabling extra logging to find out?" as some kind of smack in the face too, bless em

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dustybin:

if failed port 3306 protocol mysql with timeout 15 seconds then alert

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dustybin:

i missed the timeout bit before

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justinh:

so it's hitting mysql every 15 secs now?

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justinh:

still sounds excessive

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whoDat:

why does the icon downloader only ever find 2 of my 200 channel icons? was hoping i didn't have to do them all manually again.

[15:46:28]

dustybin:

nope, all the services get hit every 30 secs

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dustybin:

thats a global setting

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justinh:

unless you set mysql to disconnect after 10 secs.. and then mythbackend will have issues with that

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dustybin:

if failed host 192.168.1.65 port 6544 then alert

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justinh:

whoDat: dunno. have you ever tried enabling extra verbose logging & then looked in the log for clues?

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wryterra:

I'll try again here. :) Could anyone help me with a quick question.

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justinh:

wryterra: maybe. just ask

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dustybin:

i can hear my sister and boyfriend downstairs laughing at some comedy i kindly gave them via mythvideo

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whoDat:

justin: is that a parm on mythtv-setup?

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wryterra:

I've set up mythtv on an ubuntu box but I'm a tad confused. /etc/init.d/myth-backend status reports that the backend is running fine, however frontends report it's down. When I /usr/bin/mythbackend and then try the frontend, it runs.

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wryterra:

So, why's the status incorrectly reporting?

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justinh:

mythtv-setup --help will help you whoDat

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dustybin:

lsof ftw :D /mnt/video/mythvideo/comedy/lee evans live at the O2.iso (192.168.1.65:/mnt/video)

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** justinh sends the death squad to dustybin's house **

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dustybin:

:O

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justinh:

lee evans is about as funny as piles

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dustybin:

lol my sister requested it so i gave

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dustybin:

err that sounds rude

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whoDat:

justinh: tried that already, it just starts mythtv-setup. also tried -?

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justinh:

wryterra: the init script is flawed IMHO. when it starts mythbackend it creates a process file, and if that file is still present when you run the script, it assumes the process is running

[15:52:33]

justinh:

wryterra stop the init script, then start it

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wryterra:

I have done

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justinh:

and it's probably failing because the network manager is (too old) stopping the network services operate – consequently any process which relies on the network (e.g. mysql, mythbackend) fail to start

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justinh:

which is how it comes to be fine after you log in

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wryterra:

It doesn't come to be fine after I log in.

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wryterra:

Only when I manually run the backend

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justinh:

wryterra: ps never lies btw.. ps -ef |grep mythbackend

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justinh:

wryterra: then look in the mythbackend log to see why it's starting fine as your user but not when the user the init script runs it as starts it ;)

[15:54:46]

wryterra:

ps says it's running

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Dibblah:

AFAIR, mythbackend doesn't depend on (init script wise) network.

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wryterra:

Well accoarding to ps it starts from the script

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Dibblah:

So it's broken on startup and never recovers.

[15:55:05]

justinh:

Dibblah: should do though

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wryterra:

But frontends won't connect until I manually run mythbackend

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Dibblah:

Yes. Admire the recent ticket.

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dustybin:

i think ive found a solutions "Rather than check the port the backend listens on, I'm monitoring the port the status reports on. This way, the mythtv backend status log does not fill up with unsuccessful connection errors."

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justinh:

wryterra: that says to me mythbackend isn't staying running when the init script launches it, no matter what the init status indicator says

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wryterra:

You said ps never lies

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justinh:

ps -ef |grep mythbackend

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wryterra:

Yeah, I did, and it says it's running.

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justinh:

so how come the instance you run doesn't complain that it can't access the devices you've set up? the one launched by init should have them already

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wryterra:

That's more or less my question.

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justinh:

what does the log say?

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justinh:

in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log ?

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wryterra:

I'm still scrolling to the bottom

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justinh:

pastebin it

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wryterra:

pastebin?

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wagnerrp:

pastebin.com, pastebin.ca

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wryterra:

I might be a while.

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wryterra:

I think this is symptomatic of my problem.

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wryterra:

I set it up yesterday, the log probably shouldn't be 189mb yet, right? Heh.

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whoDat:

justinh: found a log for the icon downloader : QBuffer::ReadBlock: Null Pointer error Could not read enough bytes from the devvice Error from findmissing :

[16:01:29]

wagnerrp:

well that depends if something is broken or not

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justinh:

ok. this'll save you time wryterra. kill the backend

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justinh:

rename the log file

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wagnerrp:

if youve done something like improperly set up database access, the log file will fill up with errors VERY FAST

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justinh:

start mythbackend via the init script once more, and then look in the log

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wryterra:

Ahh I think I might have it

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wryterra:

That got it.

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wryterra:

mysql.txt was wrong. wagnerrp mentioning an improperly set up database tipped me off :)

[16:06:25]

wryterra:

Now I just need to find out why the osx frontend won't play tv.

[16:06:35]

wryterra:

And why MythTV won't schedule recordings.

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wryterra:

Don't suppose anyone might have an idea why it's refusing to schedule recordings?

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wryterra:

The backend log is particularly unhelpful on this one.

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at0m|c:

Seagate drive failure due to firmware bug: http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/selfser . . . DocId=207931

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dustybin:

justinh: think ive got it working now, ive turned off monitoring mysql altogether, mysql doesnt need to be monitored, its stable enough as it is, so far so good

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clever:

dustybin: just had an idea for your problem, similar to an old one i had

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clever:

dustybin: connect a normal cli mysql client before it crashes

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clever:

dustybin: and check 'show processlist;' every now and then

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dustybin:

* Mythtv recordings dir full = cellphone alert + * Mythtv backend fails = cellphone alert

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clever:

nice:)

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dustybin:

clever: interesting!

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clever:

what im thinking, you have too many connections to mysqld

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clever:

so its denying all new connections

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dustybin:

yep, monit connects to it, then mythtvbackend restarts and cannot connect

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dustybin:

so ive scrapped mysql monitoring altogether

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clever:

my mythbackend is ran from a custom c++ deamon

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dustybin:

o_0

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clever:

similar to the mysql_safe thing i think

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dustybin:

ok

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clever:

it restarts the backend whenever it fails

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clever:

but it could easily fire off a warning if it restarts it 3 times in 5mins

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dustybin:

clever: your a bit of a clever sod arent you :P

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clever:

i also have a php script which uses mysql to find the storage dir's, then checks the free space

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clever:

and totals up the deleted and expirable space

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clever:

then runs mythbackend --printsched to find out when it will run out of space

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clever:

-1.5hours can be recorded

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d0netsFN:

how do i make a recording 30 minutes longer?

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d0netsFN:

all my college games get cut off

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dustybin:

clever: monit monitors, processes, files/dirs, hosts, and devices. im using logcheck to monitor my logs

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clever:

dustybin: yeah, that can catch most of it

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dustybin:

logcheck works in crontab, ive set it do a check every 3 hours

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clever:

one of my older problems that has since been fixed

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clever:

mythbackend would hardlock 'randomly'

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dustybin:

d0netsFN: there is a option on the frontend to add extra recording time, and also start the recordings earlier

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clever:

only sign that it had done so was a qt warning in the logs and that all recordings had halted

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dustybin:

clever: why do i get the impression you are the only one on planet earth who has that problem :P

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d0netsFN:

yea i just saw "time stretch default"

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d0netsFN:

its at 1.0

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d0netsFN:

its that in minute ors a percentage

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clever:

dustybin: it was a typo in the source code:P

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clever:

dustybin: whenever the process became 'write io bound', it would grab the same mutex 2 times in a row

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dustybin:

d0netsFN: not time stretch, there is another option to add minutes to before and after recordings start / finish

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clever:

dustybin: it would only be noticed if you put the hdd under load while recording, with that certain revision of trunk

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dustybin:

k

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clever:

it was fixed a while ago

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clever:

but that one wouldnt exactly be detected enless you told logcheck to look for that exact error

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dustybin:

you can do that

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clever:

but you wont do it until you actualy know that error happens:P

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clever:

and by then, its allready too late for some of your shows!

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dustybin:

poor sod: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7831481.stm

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AlmightyOatmeal:

how well does the ATI TV Wonder do? Is that a framegrabber or..?

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wagnerrp:

yes, framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

bttv card

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AlmightyOatmeal:

bloody hell!

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AlmightyOatmeal:

pinnacle pc studio pctv?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

iirc that ivtv

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i don't see it listed on the IVTV page :(

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wagnerrp:

than its probably a framegrabber

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AlmightyOatmeal:

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AlmightyOatmeal:

:(

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wagnerrp:

damned slysoft... they keep updating, and notifying me via systray popups, about every other day

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wagnerrp:

stop being so punctual!

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AlmightyOatmeal:

lol

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phunyguy:

argh... how in the world do i get anamorphic widescreen out of my dish reciever over the S-Video cable....

[17:52:10]

phunyguy:

it keeps letterboxing it into 4x3

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phunyguy:

i know mythtv can force aspect to 16x9 which will stretch anamorphed widescreen

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phunyguy:

but dangit i cant get the reciever to play nice.

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C0p3rn1c:

to view paytv sat channels you need some key right and you just need to use sasc-ng cccam, thats it?

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iamlindoro:

That kind of talk is completely unwelcome here and will result in kicking/banning

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C0p3rn1c:

oh so thats illigal?

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C0p3rn1c:

ok sorry

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MythbuntuGuest80:

hey, how does "allow channel jumping in guide" work ? i've turned it on, but when i punch in 45 it goes nowhere, or at best 74

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MythbuntuGuest80:

0.21 mythbuntu

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hajmola:

xine tells me that it can't play my dvd because of a region code. Is there a way I can turn regions off?

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phunyguy:

well that is just sad.

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iamlindoro:

Why not ask in #xine?

[18:09:33]

phunyguy:

my dish reciever can't do anamoprhic over svideo

[18:09:43]

phunyguy:

well there goes THAT idea.

[18:10:09]

phunyguy:

i guess i have to cure my 100% cpu usage program guide

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phunyguy:

so we are back to that.

[18:12:47]

sphery:

phunyguy: there's no widescreen setting in the DISH network receiver options?

[18:12:56]

phunyguy:

there isl

[18:12:57]

sphery:

phunyguy: my (very) old 4922 had that capability

[18:12:58]

phunyguy:

is*

[18:13:02]

phunyguy:

i understand

[18:13:07]

phunyguy:

that's why this is so odd.

[18:13:13]

phunyguy:

i read up on it though

[18:13:22]

phunyguy:

you can set it to widescreen but that just enables it over HD ports

[18:13:24]

sphery:

it would do widescreen for everything, then you just tell MythTV that input is widescreen

[18:13:32]

phunyguy:

svideo and composite stay 4x3

[18:13:50]

phunyguy:

so it takes the 16x9 video and letterboxes ut

[18:13:51]

phunyguy:

it

[18:13:59]

phunyguy:

black bars on top and bottom of the svideo feed

[18:14:09]

phunyguy:

no way to anamorph it

[18:14:11]

sphery:

and you've /told/ MythTV to record in widescreen?

[18:14:31]

phunyguy:

yes

[18:14:39]

phunyguy:

it just stretches the letterboxed stuff

[18:14:42]

sphery:

plug in the DISH receiver to a TV directly to verify that it's actually outputting 4:3...

[18:14:42]

phunyguy:

left to right

[18:14:49]

phunyguy:

i did.

[18:15:07]

phunyguy:

i can zoom

[18:15:09]

phunyguy:

BUT

[18:15:13]

phunyguy:

that zooms SD stuff as well.

[18:15:19]

phunyguy:

so it cuts off top and bottom

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phunyguy:

quite irritating

[18:15:58]

sphery:

it's quite possible that the "stretches the letterboxed stuff" is because the channel is sending a 4:3 image with black bars, so the DISH receiver and Myth have no way control it...

[18:16:03]

sphery:

i.e. garbage in = garbage out

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phunyguy:

no its local hidef

[18:16:39]

phunyguy:

from teh antenna

[18:16:43]

phunyguy:

which is a 16x9 feed

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sphery:

Anyway, at least back in 1999, it was possible to do what you want. Then again, you may be hindered by progress, today. (After all, they want you to get an HDTV so you'll buy their HDTV package.)

[18:17:08]

phunyguy:

thats the thing

[18:17:16]

phunyguy:

forums said a firmware update stopped it

[18:17:21]

phunyguy:

so it no longer works

[18:17:27]

phunyguy:

they don't want you recording hidef stuff.

[18:18:08]

phunyguy:

i just found a new post talking about composite extensions like you were asking before sphery

[18:18:17]

phunyguy:

so i am trying that for the dvb card

[18:18:24]

sphery:

so, get a digital capture card and plug in the antenna to it rather than using your POJ DISH receiver for it.

[18:18:33]

phunyguy:

*sigh*

[18:18:37]

phunyguy:

we have been through this :P

[18:18:46]

phunyguy:

thats the setup that pegs my cpu.

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sphery:

oh, then good luck with the composite settings... Hope that fixes it.

[18:21:55]

phunyguy:

what was that strace command format?\

[18:22:17]

phunyguy:

that X process starts to peg with dish network as well

[18:22:24]

phunyguy:

just sits at 60–80%

[18:22:31]

phunyguy:

because its Standard Def :P

[18:27:27]

phunyguy:

hmmm

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phunyguy:

would help if put disabled for composite in xorg.conf, not enable ><

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wylie_:

i picked up the asus 8400gs (nvidia) from newegg last week. i have hdpvr/vdpau working nicely but noticed occasionally screen blanking (screen goes black while watching tv...or even sometimes when just in the myth menu). it doesn't have anything to do with myth or vdpau (it happens when vdpau is not in use, too). i think it is just a bad card. anyone have a similar experience?

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wylie_:

not that i think it matter,s but this is with the 180.22 driver

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RyeBrye:

wylie: dpms ?

[18:41:36]

RyeBrye:

wylie: does the screen come back from being black if you move the mouse?

[18:42:02]

RyeBrye:

wylie: I've only have that happen to me when the screen saver is on. I have an 8400GS from newegg and it has worked fine for the week that i have had it

[18:43:06]

wylie_:

no, not dpms related — can happen immediately after selecting a show — sometimes happens frequently (a few times in a minute) and then can not happen for a reasonable amount of time (5 minutes+)

[18:43:09]

RyeBrye:

the only issue I experience is minor tearing about 1" down from the top of the screen with vdpau playback and opengl vsync turned on on my 1080p lcd screen – but since the tearing is consistently only 1" down from the top of the screen and not in the middle of the screen I don't matter about it much

[18:43:42]

RyeBrye:

perhaps it is a bad card – the only way to really troubleshoot it would be to swap it out with a known good card that would also do vdpau etc

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wylie_:

interesting, not getting the tearing — with vsync on

[18:44:14]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, it's not on all stuff just some HD stuff

[18:44:42]

justinh:

course you won't get tearing when you align playback of each frame to a vertical refresh

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RyeBrye:

I think my screen is being driven at 50Hz for some strange reason – which probalby contributes. Once I get it set to 60Hz I imagine that will go away

[18:45:02]

wylie_:

ya, not happening for hd content on my setup... i think it is a bad card though. aside from the intermittent blanking, the picture is basically flawless

[18:45:38]

RyeBrye:

justinh: Yeah, I shouldn't have tearing with the vsync turned on – but I do – so something in my setup is wrong

[18:46:00]

justinh:

glvsync only works when gl works :)

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wylie_:

i did have a problem that i couldn't get the 180.22 driver working and reverted to 180.17... got that working... just retried 180.22 and now that's working... but i think that is an ubuntu-intrepid ipex specific problem

[18:47:16]

RyeBrye:

I have 180.22 working on ibex

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wylie_:

now i do, as well

[18:48:14]

RyeBrye:

the new box I have running the jaunty alpha (which is probably why it is so unstable – but the reason for the jaunty alpha is because I need support for a wireless card they are putting in there... and it's not a machine I care too much about)

[18:48:57]

justinh:

you use a whole distro just because of one driver? :-O

[18:49:06]

RyeBrye:

damn straight! ;)

[18:49:17]

RyeBrye:

justinh: it's also kind of a test system

[18:49:42]

RyeBrye:

justinh: It wouldn't bother me in the slightest to just reformat it and reinstall a completely new system on that box today...

[18:49:55]

justinh:

heh

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RyeBrye:

justinh: but yeah... jaunty alpha is clearly bleeding :)

[18:50:12]

justinh:

Ibex was a load of tosh on my laptop

[18:51:19]

RyeBrye:

(the line-of-reasoning that goes like this: "How unstable can an alpha version of a distro be? I usually upgrade my packages ahead of the current shipping version anyway..." does not apply)

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wylie_:

if i had more time too build something clean — i wouldn't use ubuntu — it's just easier for something quick "that works" — i'd much prefer a lightweight build

[18:52:41]

wylie_:

like, there is no reason for me to be running gdm, but i am

[18:52:42]

RyeBrye:

Yeah. Ubuntu isn't the pinnacle of perfection – but it's fast and easy to get up and running...

[18:53:04]

RyeBrye:

I hate how openoffice is installed by default

[18:53:33]

RyeBrye:

so if you don't pay attention to what your updates are doing, you will spend a lot of time downloading 300 meg updates to crap you will never use

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clever:

i usualy go thru the update list to find crap i dont use, and uninstall them before updating

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RyeBrye:

yeah. sometimes I do that – depends on how much of a hurry I am in

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SALstar:

Where I can setup audio sources for mythtv? My audio is playing, but not properly synced and when trying to skip back, audio still plays without skip.

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SALstar:

Hmm, I am seeing, that I need to mute my Line in and set capture from this device. Can mythtv do this on startup?

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cesman:

no, it cannot

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clever:

if alsa is working properly, those settings will be stored properly on shutdown

[19:03:11]

clever:

and restored on next bootup

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clever:

so you should just have to set it once

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clever:

cesman: you can stay:P

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SALstar:

clever: My problem is, that when using voip I need to record from mic and when using mythtv from line, line muted and when tvtime, i can't mute line. :)

[19:06:04]

clever:

ahhhh

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clever:

frame grabber?

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SALstar:

?

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clever:

only old frame grabber cards need to capture from line in

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SALstar:

an saa7134 cipset

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clever:

i forget that that one is

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SALstar:

I think it works only in this mode, but I am not sure.

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SALstar:

OK, I can make some scripts to do this before and after run of mythtv.

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SALstar:

Btw, there is an problem in docs. On my Fedora 10 I need to run this command to record from Line in:

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SALstar:

amixer -c0 set 'Input Source' Mic

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kormoc:

SALstar, typically the distros save and restore your alsa mixer settings for you...

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Guest96185:

I was looking at playing blue ray on linux. Does anyone know who the best dvd drive is for this?

[19:15:59]

clever:

SALstar: using 'alsactl store -f foo' you can store the entire mixer config into the 'foo' file

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SALstar:

Can I improve video quality? My video looks poor, I think it's caused by encoding.

[19:16:29]

clever:

kormoc: i allready explained that to him, but he wants to switch capture to the MIC when using voip, then back to linein when using myth

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kormoc:

SALstar, you have a framegrabber card?

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clever:

and i allready asked that, he doesnt know what a frame grabber is

[19:17:29]

kormoc:

saa7134 is a frame grabber

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clever:

ahhh:)

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clever:

so if he tris to voip and record at once, things will break

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phunyguy:

ok I was just thinking abotu something....

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SALstar:

kormoc: OK, I can solve this by making an script and set/restore my settings before/after mythtv.

[19:18:27]

phunyguy:

i think i may have found another symptom.

[19:18:39]

phunyguy:

i was loading up some other apps like firefox...

[19:18:47]

phunyguy:

the window draw is sluggish

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phunyguy:

is that common?

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clever:

SALstar: if you read the manual for 'alsactl' you can see how to save/restore the whole mixer setup, and could keep several different copys stored on disk

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phunyguy:

i know the res is 1920x1080 or whatever

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phunyguy:

but it just seems really slow.

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clever:

for example, a mythtv profile and a voip profile

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SALstar:

clever: OK, it's already done. :) Thanks.

[19:19:26]

phunyguy:

3d stuff runs great – but 2d stuff is horrid,.

[19:19:39]

phunyguy:

isnt that backwards?

[19:19:52]

SALstar:

Can somebody help me, how to improve video quality? It's worst like in other apps.

[19:20:30]

phunyguy:

for example, I loaded up firefox and logged into a website..

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Guest96185:

does anyone know if there is a plan to support blue-ray playback on linux?

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Guest96185:

with mythtv

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phunyguy:

the little thing that comes down asking me if i wanted it to remember that password was VERY slow

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phunyguy:

like it was drawing about 6 lines one line at a time

[19:21:32]

phunyguy:

a line being a section of the pop-down thing

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phunyguy:

well i think sphery was correct with it being a driver issue

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phunyguy:

meaning nvidias issue

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sphery:

phunyguy: driver issue doesn't mean "nvidias issue," it could also mean (your) configuration issue. :)

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sphery:

phunyguy: also, you're not doing something completely broken, like running Compiz or something, are you?

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wylie_:

trunk question; you used to be able to go into a program from the recordings view and move it from one group to another, delete it, etc. what is the keyboard key to get to that menu now?

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wylie_:

i believe you could (right) remote it or (right arrow) keyboard to the menu — but that method has changed — browsing around on commits but not finding it — i know the behavior changed a couple of weeks ago

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I and M are the accelerators now, no more arrow accel

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iamlindoro:

ugh, wylie

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iamlindoro:

sorry

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clever:

m now affects the currently selected item?:O

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sphery:

wylie_: as described in posts on -dev and in the commit messages...

[19:45:35]

sphery:

which you are reading, since you're running trunk, right?

[19:45:52]

sphery:

clever: MENU brings up a menu

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iamlindoro:

speaking of which, thread "Myth Weird Behavior With VDPAU, Other Questions" is really REALLY bad

[19:46:01]

wylie_:

menu is not brining up the same menu

[19:46:17]

sphery:

wylie_: you're using an unfinished app

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clever:

sphery: but does that menu affect the current recording, or is it still the old one to change the group your viewing?

[19:46:41]

sphery:

wylie_: MENU = the recording options menu, INFO = ActionPopup

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iamlindoro:

clever, M works with a group or title selected. I works with a title selected.

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sphery:

wylie_: they're going to integrate things better

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wylie_:

iamlindoro if you are referring to the question above, that is not a myth or vdpau problem — but since many people have the same card, wondered if anyone else saw the problem.

[19:47:10]

clever:

i'll have to upgrade to see it

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iamlindoro:

wylie, Hmm?

[19:47:38]

iamlindoro:

wylie, I was talking about a totally different topic from the users list

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wylie_:

i thought you were flaming me for my question earlier :)

[19:48:16]

sphery:

iamlindoro: in "Difference between Mythwelcome and backend shutdown/wakeup settings ?" ... is it OK if I don't learn to do things right and just try to make some hack work, instead? :)

[19:48:33]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Have you read the thread I referenced above? Someone needs to lay down the law in that thread but I'm beginning to feel like a broken record

[19:49:31]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I've been ignoring that thread, will need to read it now

[19:49:33]

sphery:

iamlindoro: let me go read it... It's one that wouldn't have passed my filters (i.e. VDPAU in the subject gets an automatic (manual) delete :) (I.e. not my procmail filters, but my brain's filter)

[19:49:42]

iamlindoro:

heh

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sphery:

iamlindoro: did you notice the From on the post you mentioned?

[19:51:03]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I noticed the from but if there's supposed to be greater meaning in it It escaped me

[19:51:29]

sphery:

So, is Circuit City's going-out-of-business sale worth upgrading my TV rather than buying a new ($150) bulb?

[19:51:34]

iamlindoro:

doubtful

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wylie_:

ah, i see — when i switched remotes and mapping (my RF remote went bad, switched to a cheap tempest) I see that I have no info button mapped. so the button i thought was info was not doing anything. "I" on the keyboard worked. getting rid of arrow accelerators though = good

[19:51:45]

iamlindoro:

They marked everything back to MSRP and discounted from there

[19:52:16]

sphery:

iamlindoro: just thought it was funny that it seems the business queries are being dumped into the same mailbox as the mythtv-users mailing list

[19:52:22]

sphery:

granted, could be sorting, but still

[19:52:30]

iamlindoro:

heh

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wylie_:

my screen intermittedly blanking (not a myth problem) = annoying

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sphery:

Wow... http://www.circuitcity.com/

[19:53:31]

sphery:

Guess it's store only shopping, now.

[19:53:53]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i went on there yesterday, hoping i could see what their prices were dropping to

[19:53:58]

wagnerrp:

no luck

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iamlindoro:

Yay Brad D!

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sphery:

me too... got there before they started shutting down

[19:54:26]

iamlindoro:

Appropriate response (I might have been more verbose, but the sentiment would have been the same)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Brad's always good for reminding people.

[19:54:47]

iamlindoro:

yep, good for him

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sphery:

and good (=easier) for us

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wagnerrp:

woo! multirec HDHR patches!

[19:56:45]

wagnerrp:

not like i need more inputs with only local channels

[19:57:03]

iamlindoro:

Nice, I'm sure many will appreciate that

[19:57:31]

wagnerrp:

one was a bit too few, but three is already more than i can use

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sphery:

I don't think I've ever had a recording situation that multirec would have helped (even discounting availability of capture cards). Pretty sure I've never had occassion to record more than one channel from a mux.

[20:03:41]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I think it's a fair bit more helpful on QAM (at least for me)

[20:03:46]

wagnerrp:

sphery: what about setting shows to record a minute or two extra on either end

[20:03:54]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I get two major networks to a multiplex

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wagnerrp:

without multirec, you would need two tuners to manage that on the same channel

[20:04:13]

iamlindoro:

So I can effectively record ABC, CBS, Fox, and NBC on two tuners

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, in the US, it's only really useful on cable rebroadcasts

[20:05:27]

sphery:

For me (OTA), I'd only ever /maybe/ use it on PBS, and generally, I never record on anything but the main PBS subchannel because it's the only HDTV one.

[20:06:42]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i get NBC and CBS on one feed, ABC and FOX on another, and some 6 PBS feeds from two stations on a third

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I haven't found any need to pad my recordings... It might be useful, then, but it's also likely to mess with conflict resolution (and record some lower-priority thing because of it).

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wagnerrp:

seems i can get both the NBC and ABC weather feeds in there too

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sphery:

i.e. "The Good Show" from 8–9 on channel 3, 2 shows--"The Great Show" and "The OK Show"--from 9–10 on channels 3 and 4, respectively and only one capture card with 2 virtual tuners. Instead of recording "The Good Show" and "The Great Show", it would record "The Good Show" and "The OK Show" because of the end late/start early.

[20:11:10]

sphery:

So, I still believe that--at least in the US--the /right/ solution is to have /physical/ tuners for each possible show you want to record.

[20:11:30]

sphery:

If you really want the start early/end late on every show, you might need a /lot/ of cards. :)

[20:11:58]

wagnerrp:

well, change that to physical tuners for each possible multiplex i would want to record, and im there

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sphery:

(Oh, and that situation can scale to multiple physical cards, too. I just used one to keep the explanation simple.)

[20:12:18]

sphery:

wagnerrp: that would work.

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sphery:

For me, that's 7 muxes, only one of which I /might/ ever record on anything but the primary subchannel (and even then, I often tell it not to record so I can eventually get the rerun of Nova in HDTV :).

[20:13:28]

wagnerrp:

i do have a fourth multiplex that contains WBQCCA, but since thats effectively white-trash-TV, i have no intention of ever recording it

[20:13:49]

wagnerrp:

church, cheaters, cops, and court shows

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sphery:

And I'm totally discounting all the channels I don't care about (community college PBS stations, televangelical stations, shopping stations, spanish stations)

[20:14:26]

sphery:

not that there's anything wrong with those statiosn, just that they don't air shows I"m interested in watching.

[20:14:42]

sphery:

heh, pretty much what you said about your 4th

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wagnerrp:

they used to air MST3K in my childhood

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wagnerrp:

but that went off the air long ago

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** sphery considers writing support into readline for a "saved" history file (like history, but separate and /never/ gets updated without user request... **

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wagnerrp:

now to figure out how to add patches to ebuilds

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sphery:

Don't know whether to consider it a good thing that all the code modified by a patch I worked on a long time ago has changed (completely changing the way to do what the patch did) or not... On the bright side, I don't have to figure out what I was doing with that old code, but on the dark side, I have to start over from scratch...

[20:26:02]

sphery:

(Not that I'm complaining--I'm actually the guy who changed the code, making the patch deprecated, and the new way is much easier, but...)

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wagnerrp:

you might as well kick your own ass

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sphery:

Heh, it turns out I had included a commented out version of the "new code" (one line in new, to replace about 30 lines in the old) in the patch that changed the other code. :)

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sphery:

Wow, it's been a long time since I worked on this one.

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sphery:

Looks like that one like will actually work... Now to do the hard part of the patch.

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wryterra:

Urgh, I had myth just about working, it was scheduling recordings and actually recording them too

[20:34:22]

wryterra:

Now it's stopped and it's lost all my upcoming recordings too

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wryterra:

What'd I change?

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wagnerrp:

a question for the ages

[20:35:26]

wagnerrp:

did you lose your scheduling data? is the backend running? does the backend not detect any tuners?

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sphery:

wryterra: either a) you lost your connection to the DB or b) you broke your input connections ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 )

[20:36:14]

wryterra:

Now it's back again

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wryterra:

Very weird

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wryterra:

It's only allowing one recording despite my having 2 tuners though.

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wagnerrp:

two cards? or two tuners on one card?

[20:37:19]

wryterra:

dual tuner card

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wryterra:

But mythbackend recognises it as two tuners

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wagnerrp:

most dual tuner cards are actually seen as two separate cards by linux

[20:37:52]

wagnerrp:

and you have to add them in mythtv-setup as such

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wryterra:

Have done, DVB0 and DVB1

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wryterra:

Is there an arbitrary 'allow simultanious recording' flag somewhere?

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wagnerrp:

nope

[20:38:42]

wagnerrp:

you added both inputs to the proper source?

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wryterra:

Yup

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wagnerrp:

you didnt accidentally put them into a recording group? mythtv will only record from one card in a group at a time

[20:40:01]

wryterra:

hmm

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wryterra:

where would that be?

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wagnerrp:

input connections, second page

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wagnerrp:

both input groups should be set to generic

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wryterra:

input groups? I don't see that listed

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-settings, fourth group of settings

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clever:

mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

err... setup, yeah

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wryterra:

I'm looking at input connections

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wryterra:

Just don't see 'input groups' anywhere

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wagnerrp:

select an input, hit enter

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wagnerrp:

go to the second page

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wryterra:

ahh

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wryterra:

generic and generic

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wryterra:

on both tuners

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iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6134

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iamlindoro:

nice

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wagnerrp:

this multirec path is fairly monsterous

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah! The motherboard I just bought at a computer show has on-board GeForce 8200 gfx, which according to the wiki supports VDPAU... ;-) Cool beans.

[21:08:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

That also means that the Athlon 64 X2 6000+ is way overkill for this system... ;-) Maybe I'll use it in my backend instead... MuWaHaHa!!!

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Saw that one, too... I like #6135 better, though.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, yeah, that was funny

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iamlindoro:

trac should quiz ticket submitters on basic myth knowledge before allowing a ticket

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, kind of like ffmpeg's bug report system :)

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aquarius_:

how do I set/change the keybindings for myth? I'm sure I've done it before in the myth interface somewhere, I just can't find it

[21:20:57]

justinh:

mythcontrols

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Key Controls

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justinh:

it's a plugin

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iamlindoro:

Er s/Key Controls/Edit Keys/

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aquarius_:

I don't have it...but I remember using it before!

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aquarius_:

confused

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iamlindoro:

like Justinh mentioned, it's a plugin that needs to be installed

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aquarius_:

yep. installing it. (how weird)

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d3ity:

hrm, are there any support channels for ivtv? I'm having trouble installing.

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justinh:

installing? thought it came in the box now

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justinh:

box/kernel

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d3ity:

strange enough, i can't insert the modules

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wagnerrp:

failure to insert modules usually means theyre built for a different kernel than what youre running

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wagnerrp:

but that shouldnt happen because all modules are inside the kernel source now

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justinh:

or you're not privileged enough ;)

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d3ity:

wagnerrp, I'll recompile my modules from kernel source then... I tried doing the ivtv install from portage...

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wagnerrp:

what kernel?

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d3ity:

2.6.25

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d3ity:

should I go to 2.6.27?

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wagnerrp:

2.6.25 was the last kernel where there actually was a userland component to ivtv

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d3ity:

hrm, so a 2.6.27 kernel would likley fix my problems then

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, 'ivtv' does not work, and you need 'ivtv-utils'

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d3ity:

so emerge ivtv-utils?

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wagnerrp:

which just carries a few control apps

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wagnerrp:

<= 2.6.25, get ivtv.... >= 2.6.26, get ivtv-utils

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d3ity:

k

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mersault:

I've just finished breaking up a software raid array I'd been using, and plan to use storage groups across all 6 of the disks. I've never used storage groups before. Any recommendations for how I set them up? should each disk get it's own storage group?

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wagnerrp:

one single storage group

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mersault:

any reason to have a livetv one separate from Default?

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wagnerrp:

not really

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mersault:

Any harm in doing so?

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wagnerrp:

you limit the amount of storage you can use for either livetv or recordings

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justinh:

ruh? mythvideo is plain ignoring .mkv files

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Zaxim:

hello folks

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Compiled with --disable-stealycontainers?

[21:46:22]

justinh:

heheh

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justinh:

even added the new filetype.. still no dice

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Zaxim:

im having trouble getting myth-tv to detect my hvr-1600 card and scan for analog channels. I'm running ubuntu 8.04 and have followed the install instructions on the mythtv wiki to the letter,and everything seems to install ok, but when I try and /bin/cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg i just get a blank screen

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Zaxim:

er, blank screen when i play back the file

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: bah! my semi-legal personal dvdrips used to be in mkv format

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Zaxim:

anyone willing to walk me through the agony of debugging my problem?

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wagnerrp:

the file fills with data but its blank? or its static?

[21:50:41]

Zaxim:

its blank

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wagnerrp:

but the file has a non-zero size?

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Zaxim:

the file is a few MB

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wagnerrp:

trippy

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wagnerrp:

are you sure the channel youre tuned to isnt just blank?

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Zaxim:

is static what im supposed to expect?

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wagnerrp:

absolutely

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wagnerrp:

either you get proper video, you get static, or you get a 0B file

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wagnerrp:

also, there is no reason to do an analog channel scan on a 1600

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Zaxim:

oh?

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wagnerrp:

you sign up for Schedules Direct, and download a listing

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Zaxim:

oh, i thought we still needed to do a scan to see available channels

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wagnerrp:

digital, yes. analog, no.

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Zaxim:

how doI uh, change the channel its tuned to in that case?

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wagnerrp:

schedules direct will give mythtv everything it needs to know to properly tune

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Zaxim:

gotchya

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wagnerrp:

and if you want to use the command line apps for testing, they can just be told to tune directly to a channel

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Zaxim:

can you point me to any resources to do that?

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wagnerrp:

ivtvdriver.org for documentation

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Zaxim:

thank ye

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wagnerrp:

the command line tools you need are probably in the 'ivtv' or 'ivtv-utils' package for your system

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Zaxim:

ok, another question

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Zaxim:

im running an nvidia motherboard with onboard graphics

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Zaxim:

i heard the hvr1600 and nvidia drivers dont play well

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wagnerrp:

i dont know anything about that

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iamlindoro:

there's absolutely no reason that wouldbe the case

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wagnerrp:

ive heard the 1600 driver has some i2c issues

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wagnerrp:

but beyond that, i dont know of any compatibility problems with the 1600

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Zaxim:

cool, thanks

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Zaxim:

weird

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Zaxim:

ok, i changed the channel

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Zaxim:

and catd my output again

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Zaxim:

still a blankscreen

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Zaxim:

it might be a wiring issue, what should happen if the coaxial cable is not plugged in right?

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kormoc:

Snow or perhaps a blank screen

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wagnerrp:

doubtful it would be a blank screen, unless youre using an external tuner rather than the built in one

[22:06:39]

wagnerrp:

at least the PVRs gave snow

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Zaxim:

no, im using a built inone...

[22:07:09]

Zaxim:

maybe i didnt install the drivers properly

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wagnerrp:

ive never seen it fail like that

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wagnerrp:

i didnt think it could fail like that

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wagnerrp:

do an 'ffmpeg -i test.mpg'

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Zaxim:

I/O error occured

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Zaxim:

and it didnt create the file

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wagnerrp:

well 'cat' should at least create a 0 byte file

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wagnerrp:

even if theres no source

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Zaxim:

right

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Zaxim:

but i wasnt using cat just now

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Zaxim:

i was doing the ffmpeg -i test3.mpg

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kormoc:

what does dmesg say?

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wagnerrp:

that shouldnt create any file

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wagnerrp:

that should read the file, and tell you what kind of file it is

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kormoc:

if test3 exists, you should get a unknown format at least

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Zaxim:

http://pastebin.ca/1311146

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Zaxim:

oooh woops

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Zaxim:

sorry, I thought ffmpeg write files

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wagnerrp:

all looks good

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Zaxim:

one sec

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kormoc:

modinfo cx18 (or whatever the card's module is) and see if there's a verbrosity or debug param?

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Zaxim:

Input #0, mpeg, from 'test.mpg': Duration: 00:00:06.7, start: 0.364156, bitrate: 7127 kb/s Stream #0.0[0x1e0]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 720x480, 8000 kb/s, 29.97 fps(r) Stream #0.1[0x1c0]: Audio: mp2, 48000 Hz, stereo, 224 kb/s

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Zaxim:

so it looks like it recorded something

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Zaxim:

but its just blank...

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Zaxim:

i actually have to go right now,but i will be back later. u all have been very helpful

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Vestor:

i have a functionality question.

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Vestor:

can it be used to download and playback shows off of hulu.com ?

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kormoc:

no

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Vestor:

or is it not kosher to do that?

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Vestor:

ok

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AlmightyOatmeal:

what is it with these tv tuner cards without eeproms?

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d3ity:

hey all, still working on ivtv installation, got the new 2.6.27 kernel installed, modules load fine. I'm using gentoo so I've been told to emerge ivtv-utils, yet I get an error on compile

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AlmightyOatmeal:

bttv loads a unknown/generic device, but it doesn't work in mythtv

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d3ity:

ivtv-osd-dma-test.c:115: error: 'struct ivtvfb_dma_frame' has no member named 'source'

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AlmightyOatmeal:

:'(

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d3ity:

anyone have any ideas on that one?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

try asking in #gentoo, otherwise it sounds like the compiler isn't liking something

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AlmightyOatmeal:

what version of gcc are you using?

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kormoc:

d3ity, are you sure you have the proper kernel (the one you are running) in /usr/src/linux?

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d3ity:

kormoc, should be. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 Jan 17 16:37 linux -> linux-2.6.27-gentoo-r7/

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tank-man:

i dont think you need the ivtv-utils

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tank-man:

the driver is in the kernel now

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clever:

but that doesnt give you the cli utils like ivtvtune

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clever:

ivtvctl ivtvfwextract ivtv-mpegindex ivtvplay ivtv-radio ivtv-tune

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clever:

but you probly dont need those for mythtv itself to function

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tjcarter:

as I was saying, do we have any video-shooting nerds in the channel at the moment by chance?

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Wanted to ping you on allowing the selected item to be shown outside the buttonlist in mythgallery when you get a few minutes

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tjcarter:

I am not one. I am looking for a recommendation for a cam, though. Preferably one designed to be easy enough that a blind person could use it, you might say ;)

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tjcarter:

I don't even know enough to know what I don't know when looking for one, basically.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Just wrote a response to the VDPAU thread from earlier, bracing for hate-filled response

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Heh, and added a followup that's going to *really* get me flamed

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laga:

glad you guys are having fun ;)

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Don't blame me, I'm trying to vacuum

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iamlindoro:

But someone getting a pagelong response for a one sentence e-mail suggesting that they should be following the dev lists (and a polite one no less) gets on my nerves and I'm obliged to respond

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iamlindoro:

One guy mentioned that all the answers were in the -dev and -commits lists and that he should be monitoring them (a totally appropriate, polite response) and the other guy responded with a tome about how he was a jerk (used exactly that word)

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iamlindoro:

not ok

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AlmightyOatmeal:

if my bttv card is detected as generic, is that necessarily a bad thing?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i scan for channels but i don't get a signal lock for any cable channels

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AlmightyOatmeal:

mythtv sees it has 2 composite, 1 s-video, and 1 tv tuner.. it only has one composite source though and the tuner just doesn't work :(

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test2:

AlmightyOatmeal: your scan is empty ?

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justinh:

bah. I can see these videos in browse view & list view just not gallery view

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AlmightyOatmeal:

test2: no signal lock on any channel

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AlmightyOatmeal:

scans 125 channels *

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Anduin:

justinh: filter? (it is per view_

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justinh:

Anduin: nope, same filter settings

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Anduin:

justinh: "blah browses files" setting? It should only be that or the other.

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justinh:

hmm. it wasn't set to browse files in gallery mode

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justinh:

they are in the DB though, set to browsable & my filter is set to show only browsable

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** AlmightyOatmeal gasps **

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Anduin:

justinh: browse files is different from browseable

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justinh:

manager on this frontend thinks files are missing too.. so maybe some nfs related snafu

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justinh:

Anduin: I know :)

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justinh:

browse files will show them whether they're in the database or not

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Anduin:

justinh: Yeah, manager not seeing them explains it all

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justinh:

dunno why the manager isn't seeing them. my user on the machine sees em

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justinh:

same user mythfrontend runs as

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justinh:

I've run into this before but can't remember what I did to remedy it

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test2:

AlmightyOatmeal: u might had forgot stg in mythtv setup / capture card see §video :dev/video1 or dev/video0 and select good one .. see also if you use television/composite or svideo (jack)

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i'm rather sure the card itself is setup... /dev/video0 and vbi is /dev/vbi0

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AlmightyOatmeal:

dmesg shows a bttv card using those hardware references

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justinh:

hmmm. having a file owned by 'justin' on the host of the share isn't the same as 'justin' user on a different machine... or is it?

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justinh:

though why I can see the files on the frontend & mythfrontend can't...

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AlmightyOatmeal:

test2: i just tried watching tv and get nothing but static... i figured if the card isn't working i should have gotten an error instead of static?

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Anduin:

justinh: it isn't unless your uid/gids match but if you can see it the manager ca

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test2:

AlmightyOatmeal: do u know frequency of one of your channel ?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

no, i'm using the stock us-cable frequency selection

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i even tried the "any" and still nothing

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J-e-f-f-A:

[ot] guess I just wasted $45 on a Netgear SC101 "NAS"... POS doesn't work with Linux [well, there is a driver someone wrote], but it's a POS from all that I've read since getting home with it... DOH – live & learn... ;-)

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justinh:

hmm. is mythfrontend running as 'me.. as I thought it should be.. hrm...

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justinh:

or is it 'mythtv'

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justinh:

nope. just me. damnit

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justinh:

unmounting the share results in nothing in gallery view

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justinh:

okay

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justinh:

and I can read the files, not just list em. great.

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jpabq:

Gee, I think iamlindoro lack of empathy is rubbing off on me.

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iamlindoro:

I have... some... empathy

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justinh:

wha? oh I ran into the blimmin file types thing again

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test2:

AlmightyOatmeal: i think its only a pb of parameter in mythtv setup (capture card or source) ; try a small tv viewer (kdetv ...etc) and check if it works..

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justinh:

set mythvideo to NOT ignore unknown filetypes & they show up in the manager now

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justinh:

sheesh

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jpabq:

iamlindoro: yeah, but not for a certain category of people.....

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iamlindoro:

well yeah :)

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justinh:

and I thought I'd added the filetype, but it's not been added. I remember encountering that one

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test2:

if scan doent work you still can configure channel manually (in mythtvsetup/channel editor, if u know : 1 the frequency. 2 the xmltv id. 3 select good video source)

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test2:

AlmightyOatmeal: ^

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justinh:

test2: for analogue channels, yes. not for didgytalls

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AlmightyOatmeal:

test2: i'm trying kdetv, fails as well yes

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AlmightyOatmeal:

justinh: like digital cable or atsc digital?

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justinh:

AlmightyOatmeal: yups

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i'm working with an analogue tuner, charter should have some analogue stations though

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, If it makes you feel any better read the thread I'm embroiled in right now :)

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justinh:

out of curiosity are mkv set up as a default file type in mythvideo these days?

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justinh:

iamlindoro: notice my restraint re the 4:3 debate ? ;)

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