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| [00:00:14] | thefRont: | ok, is there a way to get the transponder information of a channel out of a log file or something? |
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| [00:05:39] | jduggan: | guys, i think i togged a setting somewhere.. my scheduled recordings arent going into the 'watch list' where's that setting? |
| [00:06:02] | iamlindoro: | WIN: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /244573.html |
| [00:06:21] | iamlindoro: | He's setting up his dual tuner DVB card and... |
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| [00:06:31] | iamlindoro: | "I now get an adapter0 and an adapter1 in /dev/dvb/ |
| [00:06:31] | iamlindoro: | " |
| [00:06:41] | iamlindoro: | "If I delete both adapter 0 and 1 directories but they are recreated on reboot." |
| [00:06:55] | iamlindoro: | "How can I just get the one I need to be created?" |
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| [00:07:52] | Anduin: | jduggan: so you don't see the watch list at all? |
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| [00:08:28] | jduggan: | Anduin: yea i see the watch list.. there's old recordings that i havent watched yet... but new stuff isnt going in there, they havent been for a little over a week |
| [00:08:36] | firefly2442: | I have mediacom cable (US) and they seem to be mixing standard def with the newer DTV channels, should I be using us-cable or us-bcast? |
| [00:09:37] | sphery: | "recent ubuntu update breaking 'use video as timebase'?" Oh, you mean it's breaking the "(Experimental)" = "do not use this" configuration you had? |
| [00:10:39] | Anduin: | jduggan: playback settings, several pages in, you may have bumped the ignore for x days thing among a million other things |
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| [00:11:32] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I also love the conclusion that because you don't need something any more, it's broken |
| [00:11:43] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, that's even better |
| [00:12:08] | sphery: | especially since it's a setting he shouldn't have been using in the first place |
| [00:13:24] | Anduin: | firefly2442: For where you set that, us-cable, the thing that tunes something called us-cable won't be seeing those digital channels |
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| [00:14:16] | firefly2442: | Anduin: so I would have multiple sources? |
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| [00:14:40] | sphery: | firefly2442: DTV can be standard def |
| [00:14:45] | sphery: | HDTV is not standard def |
| [00:14:46] | Anduin: | firefly2442: maybe, what are we talking about now? |
| [00:15:09] | sphery: | HDTV (in the US) is always DTV, but DTV is not always HDTV |
| [00:15:42] | firefly2442: | well, on my TV when I hit info it says 1080i |
| [00:15:53] | firefly2442: | but it's through my cable connection |
| [00:16:04] | firefly2442: | unless they have an antenna somewhere... dunno.. |
| [00:16:28] | sphery: | firefly2442: what capture card are you using to capture your TV? |
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| [00:16:34] | Anduin: | firefly2442: most us cable is a mix of normal analog and QAM-256 these days (assuming no box) |
| [00:16:59] | firefly2442: | sphery: pchdtv 3000 |
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| [00:17:19] | firefly2442: | so when I scan my DVB pchdtv 3000 card, the signal shows up as fairly strong for QAM 256 but then it times out saying "no signal" |
| [00:17:46] | sphery: | yeah, that would pick up any unencrypted digital channels on your cable system, so it seems correct |
| [00:18:17] | sphery: | you have the firmware installed? |
| [00:18:48] | firefly2442: | firmware you mean the modules? I think so cx88-dvb I believe... |
| [00:19:07] | firefly2442: | I also have two other v4l capture cards in there that area really old that I'm not using |
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| [00:19:36] | sphery: | firefly2442: no, I mean /lib/firmware/dvb-fe-{nxt2004,or51211,or51132-{qam,vsb}}.fw |
| [00:20:27] | sphery: | ls /lib/firmware/dvb-fe-{nxt2004,or51211,or51132-{qam,vsb}}.fw should tell you |
| [00:20:43] | sphery: | (I'm assuming your distro keeps firmware in /lib/firmware, if not, fix that part) |
| [00:21:19] | firefly2442: | let me check... |
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| [00:21:27] | sphery: | BTW, it should be 4 firmware files |
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| [00:24:10] | firefly2442: | I don't appear to have nxt2004 |
| [00:24:22] | firefly2442: | the other two I do have though |
| [00:25:12] | sphery: | oops... nvm, nxt2004 is for the avermedia a180 |
| [00:25:54] | sphery: | you have the other 3? dvb-fe-or51211.fw, dvb-fe-or51132-qam.fw, and dvb-fe-or51132-vsb.fw? |
| [00:26:02] | phunyguy: | sphery can you do me a favor? give me that command to blank all the channel icons again? |
| [00:26:20] | sphery: | phunyguy: UPDATE channel SET icon = ''; |
| [00:26:55] | phunyguy: | thanks |
| [00:27:01] | phunyguy: | that does all channels? |
| [00:27:13] | sphery: | phunyguy: but if it's maxing a CPU when the guide is shown and covering a large portion of it causes the CPU to go back down, it's not channel icons, but a driver configuration thing. |
| [00:27:20] | sphery: | and, yeah, does all channels. |
| [00:27:24] | firefly2442: | dvb-fe-or51132-qam.fw, dvb-fe-or51211.fw, dvb-fe-or51132-vsb.fw |
| [00:27:32] | sphery: | you'd have to use a WHERE to prevent it from doing all. |
| [00:27:38] | sphery: | firefly2442: OK, so it's not the firmware... |
| [00:27:50] | phunyguy: | well i am just eliminating the obvious |
| [00:27:57] | phunyguy: | :) |
| [00:28:11] | phunyguy: | i readded the card, so it blanked all teh icons, i just wanted to make sure |
| [00:28:24] | sphery: | it's possible that the channels are encrypted? (perhaps?) Others would know more about encryption and its effects on scanning (as I have only OTA, so no encryption) |
| [00:28:28] | iamlindoro: | firefly2442, have you let a scan *complete*? |
| [00:28:43] | iamlindoro: | ie you didn't see 50 channels of nothing and cancel it? |
| [00:28:56] | firefly2442: | no, after the first 5 channels failed I just stopped it |
| [00:28:56] | iamlindoro: | Also, did you get *any* channels from a scan? You are scanning from a connection straight from the wall, right? |
| [00:29:02] | iamlindoro: | There's your problem |
| [00:29:06] | sphery: | firefly2442: and you did a full scan (not just cable high or whatever), right? |
| [00:29:08] | ** iamlindoro pokes sphery ** | |
| [00:29:24] | firefly2442: | full scan just cable, not cable-high or hrc or others |
| [00:29:28] | sphery: | why am I poked? |
| [00:29:33] | firefly2442: | should I let it run? |
| [00:29:35] | iamlindoro: | "firefly2442> no, after the first 5 channels failed I just stopped it" |
| [00:29:47] | sphery: | let it run! |
| [00:29:55] | firefly2442: | ok, this is gonna take awhile ;) |
| [00:29:59] | sphery: | yep |
| [00:30:12] | phunyguy: | sphery, this is OTA |
| [00:30:17] | phunyguy: | so im not sure its encrypted |
| [00:30:33] | iamlindoro: | This is the classic "doesn't understand that frequency positions and PSIP channel numbers are not the same" |
| [00:30:40] | sphery: | phunyguy: yeah, the OTA comment/encryption comment was for firefly2442 who'se using mediacom cable (US) |
| [00:30:43] | firefly2442: | how can I tell if my cable is encrypted or not? |
| [00:30:49] | phunyguy: | doh's |
| [00:30:59] | phunyguy: | ITS NOT ALWAYS ABOUT YOU, PHUNYGUY. |
| [00:31:01] | phunyguy: | :P |
| [00:31:04] | sphery: | heh |
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| [00:31:24] | iamlindoro: | firefly2442, Most of your channels will be encrypted. Most people will get NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox, the Cw, and a smattering of useless local channels |
| [00:31:57] | iamlindoro: | What you know as channel "2" may very well be (and in all likelihood is) at frequency position 80something, 90something, etc. |
| [00:31:59] | sphery: | iamlindoro: you wouldn't happen to know the magical NVIDIA option that causes X to consume 100% CPU when doing certain things (like showing the program guide), would you? |
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| [00:32:14] | kormoc: | sphery, turn off useEvents? |
| [00:32:15] | phunyguy: | thanks dude :( |
| [00:32:21] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Well, I know you already covered useevents, right? |
| [00:32:25] | sphery: | kormoc: he said he has UseEvents on... |
| [00:32:35] | sphery: | phunyguy: wanna pastebin your xorg.conf, again? |
| [00:32:46] | firefly2442: | ahh ok, see I saw channel 2 failed and that corresponds to Discovery Channel for my cable on TV |
| [00:32:47] | phunyguy: | hah it has since been changed back to default. |
| [00:33:00] | firefly2442: | it's running right now.... |
| [00:33:00] | phunyguy: | but i can pastebin it |
| [00:33:08] | iamlindoro: | firefly2442, You are unlikely to get discovery in digital with a tuner card |
| [00:33:13] | sphery: | phunyguy: please do... |
| [00:33:22] | iamlindoro: | firefly2442, like I said, the result of this channel scan is likely to be Network TV + some uselessness |
| [00:33:43] | firefly2442: | oh yeah, Discovery isn't digital, it's just standard I believe |
| [00:33:55] | iamlindoro: | firefly2442, This scan will also not pick up any analog channels |
| [00:34:39] | firefly2442: | iamlindoro: oh! ok, ok dumb question, is cable analog? or can it be? |
| [00:34:40] | phunyguy: | http://pastebin.ca/1309639 <--- xorg.conf |
| [00:34:43] | sphery: | firefly2442: your HD-3000 will only capture digital channels, unless you set up the frame grabber portion of it (different input with a different source), which you really don't want to do. You'd be better off sticking a PVR-x50 into the box than using the analog side of your digital capture card |
| [00:34:58] | iamlindoro: | firefly2442, Didn't anduin already cover this with you? |
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| [00:35:14] | iamlindoro: | firefly2442, Cable can be analog or digital, and is usually a combination of both |
| [00:35:17] | phunyguy: | the UseEvents isn't in there because it made no difference. |
| [00:35:17] | kormoc: | phunyguy, given you only have one screen, turn xinerama off |
| [00:35:23] | phunyguy: | well it wasn't on before |
| [00:35:28] | phunyguy: | and it's "0" anyway in the config |
| [00:35:32] | phunyguy: | :P |
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| [00:35:38] | iamlindoro: | And put Useevents back in |
| [00:35:44] | sphery: | phunyguy: definitely put Option "UseEvents" "true" in the device section of the xorg.conf |
| [00:35:46] | firefly2442: | ahh ok |
| [00:35:55] | phunyguy: | ok. |
| [00:35:57] | phunyguy: | hang tight |
| [00:36:02] | sphery: | It will /not/ work right without it. |
| [00:36:19] | sphery: | I.e. even if you fix the "other" problem you may have, it would be a slow guide. |
| [00:36:22] | phunyguy: | hmmm |
| [00:36:23] | kormoc: | phunyguy, just remove it, it doesn't ehlp bein gin there |
| [00:36:32] | phunyguy: | it was set by nvidia-settings |
| [00:36:34] | phunyguy: | like 20 mins ago |
| [00:36:36] | phunyguy: | :P |
| [00:36:41] | phunyguy: | ok where do i add that option... |
| [00:36:43] | phunyguy: | what section. |
| [00:37:01] | sphery: | 01.15 19:35:44 < sphery> phunyguy: definitely put Option "UseEvents" "true" in the device section of the xorg.conf |
| [00:37:08] | phunyguy: | :( thanks |
| [00:37:12] | sphery: | might work through nvidia settings... |
| [00:37:15] | phunyguy: | im hard-headed sometimes |
| [00:37:25] | sphery: | if you don't do it through nvidia-settings, it's likely that it will get unset again sometime. |
| [00:37:29] | iamlindoro: | don't run nvidia-settings, if anything you should run nvidia-xconfig |
| [00:37:45] | phunyguy: | wait a minute. |
| [00:37:45] | iamlindoro: | which *should* set everything right automagically |
| [00:37:55] | phunyguy: | before I had "UseEvents" "1" |
| [00:38:00] | phunyguy: | will that make a difference? |
| [00:38:02] | iamlindoro: | 1 = true = on |
| [00:38:06] | phunyguy: | oh. |
| [00:38:07] | sphery: | = True |
| [00:38:07] | iamlindoro: | bool |
| [00:38:07] | phunyguy: | dammit. |
| [00:38:20] | phunyguy: | was thinkin, WAIT A MINUTE!! |
| [00:38:22] | phunyguy: | :P |
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| [00:38:54] | sphery: | oh, and yes |
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| [00:39:06] | sphery: | 1, on, true, yes or 0, off, false, no |
| [00:39:18] | sphery: | not case sensitive |
| [00:39:23] | phunyguy: | sweet |
| [00:39:25] | ** iamlindoro recommends backing up xorg.conf, removing any extra connections besides the one you want set up, rebooting, running "sudo nvidia-xconfig", and rebooting ** | |
| [00:39:25] | phunyguy: | ok its back in there |
| [00:39:32] | phunyguy: | now i gotta pry the remote from teh wife's hands |
| [00:39:40] | iamlindoro: | but let's see if this helps first |
| [00:39:43] | firefly2442: | woa, I think it found something, it says "adding" |
| [00:39:43] | phunyguy: | thats too many reboots |
| [00:39:48] | phunyguy: | sudo service kdm restart works |
| [00:39:51] | iamlindoro: | phunyguy, you know you need to restart X when you make these changes, tight? |
| [00:39:52] | firefly2442: | still at 63% though |
| [00:39:54] | iamlindoro: | right |
| [00:39:58] | phunyguy: | yes. |
| [00:40:41] | iamlindoro: | phunyguy, Given my system is working, and yours is not, I think I'll keep my own council on when to advise a reboot, kthx |
| [00:41:13] | sphery: | I only say a reboot isn't required if I'm the one who's written all the scripts I'm considering invoking. |
| [00:41:28] | sphery: | (and then, only if I wrote them to work such that a reboot isn't required :) |
| [00:41:53] | phunyguy: | ok fine |
| [00:41:54] | phunyguy: | my bad. |
| [00:41:56] | meshe: | lol |
| [00:41:56] | phunyguy: | BUT |
| [00:42:06] | phunyguy: | yeah cpu is pegged again |
| [00:42:16] | meshe: | 15:23:53 up 412 days, 19:50, 30 users, load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00 |
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| [00:42:49] | phunyguy: | 10697 tty7 RLs+ 1:28 \_ /usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-r2Troz |
| [00:42:54] | phunyguy: | thats the pegged process |
| [00:43:00] | phunyguy: | 99% |
| [00:43:14] | clever: | i usualy get that with certain deint modes |
| [00:43:15] | meshe: | strace -p 10697 |
| [00:43:21] | iamlindoro: | And you've tried different nvidia revisions, including the next oldest and newest? |
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| [00:43:30] | clever: | meshe: id be carefull when running that inside x itself |
| [00:43:31] | sphery: | Yeah, X is going crazy because of some problem with the video drivers/video driver config |
| [00:43:34] | phunyguy: | 173, 177, and 180 |
| [00:43:53] | meshe: | yeah, true clever, best done through ssh |
| [00:43:54] | clever: | meshe: and id prefer 'strace -p 10697 -c' to get an overview of the problem |
| [00:44:13] | clever: | in my deint problem, its hammering gettimeofday() |
| [00:44:14] | phunyguy: | yeah that was too much |
| [00:44:17] | phunyguy: | :P |
| [00:44:19] | phunyguy: | and it is |
| [00:44:23] | phunyguy: | hammering time of day |
| [00:44:38] | clever: | so its 99% system usage |
| [00:44:40] | sphery: | phunyguy: you are using (the default configuration of) Slim playback profile group, right? |
| [00:44:47] | clever: | constantly switching between user and kernel space |
| [00:44:48] | sphery: | phunyguy: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles |
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| [00:45:15] | phunyguy: | no i was doing your other suggestion |
| [00:45:20] | phunyguy: | making a new profile |
| [00:45:23] | phunyguy: | with just ffmpeg |
| [00:45:31] | sphery: | what deinterlacer? |
| [00:45:31] | phunyguy: | and kernel / Linear deint |
| [00:45:33] | meshe: | clever: thanks for the -c, didn't know that |
| [00:45:47] | sphery: | phunyguy: can you pastebin the frontend log? |
| [00:46:05] | sphery: | might need to delete it, then restart mythfrontend (to keep it from being too long) |
| [00:46:25] | phunyguy: | how much of it? |
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| [00:46:30] | phunyguy: | oh |
| [00:46:32] | phunyguy: | lawl |
| [00:46:35] | phunyguy: | just sat back down |
| [00:46:41] | phunyguy: | and was responding as i was reading |
| [00:47:02] | clever: | i find that certain deint modes will allways peg X at 100% usage, i never bothered finding out why |
| [00:47:03] | phunyguy: | hang on |
| [00:47:10] | firefly2442: | ok, so I saw it add a bunch of channels and they look correct, mythfilldatabase seemed to run, what should I do now? |
| [00:47:10] | clever: | i just stoped using deint all together |
| [00:47:16] | phunyguy: | yeah clever, but it makes the EPG unuseable |
| [00:47:23] | phunyguy: | and no deint is horrid. |
| [00:47:26] | sphery: | firefly2442: enjoy watching TV? |
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| [00:47:45] | firefly2442: | I went to watchTV and it went straight back to the menu |
| [00:47:53] | sphery: | firefly2442: you did do the xmltvid part after the channel scan, but before mythfilldatabase, right? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XMLTV_ID |
| [00:48:01] | iamlindoro: | firefly2442, did you set up your storage groups? Do they exist and does the backend user have permissions? |
| [00:48:11] | sphery: | firefly2442: if not, I'd /highly/ recommend: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [00:48:42] | phunyguy: | also here is the pastebin of the trace when i stopped it |
| [00:48:44] | phunyguy: | http://pastebin.ca/1309645 |
| [00:48:50] | phunyguy: | some errors in there |
| [00:49:05] | firefly2442: | well, still some stuff todo thanks ;) |
| [00:49:08] | phunyguy: | but timeofday has 90% of cpu |
| [00:49:13] | phunyguy: | :-/ |
| [00:49:41] | clever: | the problem isnt exactly that timeofday is using alot of cpu |
| [00:49:49] | clever: | its that X is calling it non stop, and never sleeping |
| [00:49:51] | phunyguy: | well check out the read errrors |
| [00:49:59] | phunyguy: | wow. |
| [00:50:02] | phunyguy: | so... |
| [00:50:06] | phunyguy: | what did you do to fix? |
| [00:50:08] | sphery: | firefly2442: if redoing the scan, you only need to do the video sources portion of that post http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [00:50:23] | meshe: | so your X is OCD |
| [00:50:29] | phunyguy: | looks like it |
| [00:50:30] | phunyguy: | :-/ |
| [00:50:32] | clever: | i stoped using deint all together:P |
| [00:50:38] | phunyguy: | well i can try that |
| [00:50:49] | phunyguy: | and see if it helps but that drives my eyes crazy |
| [00:51:11] | sphery: | My Athlon X2 4800+ will do 1080i with kernel or linearblend or onefield at 2x timestretch without issue... |
| [00:51:15] | meshe: | do you both have similar hardware? |
| [00:51:21] | phunyguy: | i would rather downgrade to standard def and hook my OTA antenna to my dish reciever and tunnel that from SVideo to the mythbox |
| [00:51:21] | clever: | you could also test every other deint to see which ones dont do it |
| [00:51:21] | sphery: | properly configured, your system won't break a sweat doing the same |
| [00:51:30] | sphery: | Athlon X2 5600, right? |
| [00:51:35] | phunyguy: | 5400 |
| [00:51:43] | phunyguy: | B |
| [00:51:45] | sphery: | clever is probably using a Pentium II 300 or soemthing :) |
| [00:51:46] | phunyguy: | lol |
| [00:51:48] | clever: | phunyguy: i only have SD here :P |
| [00:51:54] | phunyguy: | hah |
| [00:51:55] | clever: | sphery: 1.6ghz P4 |
| [00:52:05] | phunyguy: | not much better |
| [00:52:07] | phunyguy: | :P |
| [00:52:08] | iamlindoro: | "is the highest end system in my house" |
| [00:52:10] | sphery: | ok, a bit of an exaggeration.. :) |
| [00:52:10] | meshe: | hehe |
| [00:52:10] | clever: | yeah, the P4 is horid |
| [00:52:26] | phunyguy: | you know what |
| [00:52:29] | meshe: | my mythbackend/frontend is a celeron |
| [00:52:29] | phunyguy: | i tried turning the deint off |
| [00:52:38] | phunyguy: | a couple days ago |
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| [00:52:40] | phunyguy: | it did nothing. |
| [00:52:47] | sphery: | celery has lots of fiber |
| [00:52:49] | clever: | meshe: i have a slave backend with a frame grabber and celleron :P |
| [00:52:54] | phunyguy: | but let me try again |
| [00:53:16] | meshe: | i'm using a pvr-350, so it doesn't need to worry about encoding the video |
| [00:53:29] | clever: | my pvr-150 is in a 400mhz P2 |
| [00:53:42] | meshe: | haha, nice |
| [00:53:43] | clever: | the bigest problem is mysql cpu usage when scheduling |
| [00:53:48] | sphery: | phunyguy: you do realize that these suggestions are cumulative, right? I.e. you can't test UseEvents, see that it's not fixed, then get rid of UseEvents, then test turning off deint, see that it doesn't fix it, then reenable deint... |
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| [00:54:03] | meshe: | clever: that sounds like a problem that could be fixed by a dba |
| [00:54:10] | clever: | and frequent timeouts when things dont answer within 5 seconds |
| [00:54:18] | clever: | meshe: DBA? |
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| [00:54:24] | meshe: | database admin |
| [00:54:36] | clever: | i am the db admin: |
| [00:54:36] | clever: | P |
| [00:54:41] | sphery: | phunyguy: Though I am -><- close to guaranteeing that it's your video driver installation/configuration causing 100% of the problems you're seeing |
| [00:54:46] | meshe: | then optimize the db ;) |
| [00:55:04] | clever: | meshe: i do it every now and then, but 400mhz can only go so fast:P |
| [00:55:13] | sphery: | clever: you do run optimize_mythdb.pl, right? |
| [00:55:20] | clever: | sphery: every now and then, yes |
| [00:55:44] | kormoc: | you should run it every second, to keep maximum optimization |
| [00:55:48] | firefly2442: | LOL, I changed the starting channel to one that had a correct title and it sorta works.... |
| [00:55:59] | meshe: | it's not just running optimize table $table; the schema and indexes are important, if scheduling is slow, it might need an additional index or 2 |
| [00:56:01] | firefly2442: | I see a picture but it's reallly choppy, |
| [00:56:02] | clever: | kormoc: ummmm, no:P |
| [00:56:15] | firefly2442: | actually, the picture isn't moving, and the audio skips hehehe |
| [00:56:24] | phunyguy: | yeah deint is off |
| [00:56:27] | clever: | meshe: id have to analyze how the scheduler functions internaly to figure out what to index |
| [00:56:36] | phunyguy: | oh useevents is onm |
| [00:56:37] | phunyguy: | on |
| [00:56:41] | meshe: | or turn on query loggin in mysql |
| [00:56:49] | meshe: | logging* |
| [00:56:55] | clever: | meshe: half the querys are done on temp tables too |
| [00:56:55] | phunyguy: | so icons are '' |
| [00:56:57] | sphery: | meshe: but changing indices from those provided by Myth will often cause future upgrades to fail (i.e. all our upgrade code expects your DB is configured the way we think it is). So DB schema changes of any kind are not a good idea. |
| [00:57:02] | phunyguy: | useevents is on |
| [00:57:05] | phunyguy: | and deinterlace is off |
| [00:57:06] | clever: | sphery: that also |
| [00:57:08] | phunyguy: | CPU is 100% |
| [00:57:14] | phunyguy: | so its not either of those. |
| [00:57:34] | sphery: | meshe: But, if you see a place where indices are required, you would want to mention it on the dev list or submit a ticket/patch to svn.mythtv.org so it could help everyone :) |
| [00:57:43] | phunyguy: | so you think that gettimeofday has anything to do with it? |
| [00:57:44] | clever: | yep |
| [00:57:52] | meshe: | sphery: first... an index will brea upgrade code??? second i meant a dba on the myth dev team ;) |
| [00:57:58] | sphery: | phunyguy: where's my log? |
| [00:58:26] | clever: | meshe: also, my master backend has the entire / on NFS |
| [00:58:38] | clever: | mythconverg is stored on a local hdd |
| [00:58:47] | meshe: | if mysql is going crazy on scheduling there are ways to optimize it in the schema |
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| [00:59:21] | meshe: | you also want to keep mysql off of journalling file systems |
| [00:59:46] | clever: | root@media:~# blkid /dev/media/mythconverg |
| [00:59:46] | clever: | /dev/media/mythconverg: UUID="0fa1688a-4ac9–42c4-ba83-dff3b34431ae" TYPE="ext3" |
| [00:59:56] | sphery: | phunyguy: you know, the log that says, "Video timing method: USleep with busy wait" |
| [01:00:05] | sphery: | which is causing all the gettimeofdays |
| [01:00:10] | meshe: | clever: that'll slow it down |
| [01:00:25] | clever: | meshe: let me dysect the lvm for a moment |
| [01:00:42] | sphery: | meshe: upgrade could break upgrade code if we later add the same (or a conflicting) index |
| [01:00:53] | sphery: | s/upgrade/index/ |
| [01:01:01] | sphery: | (not global replace, though :) |
| [01:01:35] | clever: | meshe: i think that LV is stored on the internal pata hdd, so usb isnt related |
| [01:02:27] | meshe: | clever: never said usb, ext3 is a journally filesystem which is great for power failures, but bad for the extra overhead when running a db |
| [01:02:32] | clever: | odd, i have 600mb free in lvm....:s |
| [01:02:52] | clever: | meshe: yeah, but an external drive on usb1 is horidly slow |
| [01:03:04] | clever: | which is why i got a usb2 card for the system allmost instantly |
| [01:03:45] | meshe: | oh, yeah, i wouldn't run on anything less than ide |
| [01:03:56] | clever: | the bios is realy weird |
| [01:04:03] | clever: | i cant put the 80gig drive inside the case |
| [01:04:11] | clever: | the bios doesnt like it |
| [01:04:23] | clever: | so im forced to put it in a usb enclosure outside the box |
| [01:04:27] | meshe: | hehe |
| [01:04:48] | meshe: | i think i had that problem with my 300, 40GB drive needed a drive overlay |
| [01:04:53] | clever: | now that i think of it, it may run better if i moved it to the 133mhz pentium |
| [01:05:06] | clever: | but its lvm2, and thats a 2.4 kernel, wont go well |
| [01:05:52] | meshe: | pick the beefiest machine in your place and put the database there :) |
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| [01:06:12] | clever: | thats where it started |
| [01:06:20] | mattwj2002: | nothing like some new Smallville finally |
| [01:06:21] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [01:06:21] | clever: | but i have mysql running there in a different timezone setup |
| [01:06:37] | clever: | which screwed everything up, so i had to run all of mythtv in the odd timezone |
| [01:06:44] | meshe: | hehe |
| [01:06:46] | meshe: | oops |
| [01:06:48] | clever: | things are so much better when mythtv actualy displays localtime |
| [01:07:26] | meshe: | i'm to the point where everything in a database should be stored in UTC |
| [01:07:38] | clever: | and the only remaining systems with plenty of CPU are the laptops |
| [01:07:49] | clever: | which i shutdown and move every now and then |
| [01:07:55] | ** meshe nods ** | |
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| [01:08:00] | clever: | which would mean shuting the entire mythtv network down |
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| [01:08:56] | phunyguy: | sphery, sorry |
| [01:08:56] | sphery: | clever: though every single Myth program has to run in the same time zone, I'm pretty sure that the DB does not have to |
| [01:09:00] | phunyguy: | making dinner too |
| [01:09:04] | phunyguy: | i'm a family man |
| [01:09:07] | firefly2442_: | I think it's trying to save/transcode when I watch TV, where do I check this? |
| [01:09:08] | phunyguy: | plus Bush's speech is on |
| [01:09:09] | sphery: | clever: (and in 0.22, MythWeb won't need to) |
| [01:09:15] | phunyguy: | ;) |
| [01:09:17] | clever: | sphery: ahh, that might be usefull |
| [01:09:33] | sphery: | clever: so why did you have to run myth in the odd time zone? |
| [01:09:51] | clever: | sphery: i thought myth and mysql had to be in the same zone |
| [01:10:17] | clever: | and at the time that i started, i didnt know of the TZ trick, so the master backend defaulted to the same zone as mysld |
| [01:10:23] | meshe: | it depends on whether myth sends times or NOW() for timestamps |
| [01:10:29] | clever: | meshe: yeah |
| [01:10:30] | sphery: | it may have an effect on a few parts of MythWeb if the DB is in a different time zone, but it shouldn't have any effect on Myth stuff. |
| [01:10:52] | clever: | i'll have to see about switching it later |
| [01:11:14] | clever: | but im not shure the P4 with its huge pipeline would be an improvement:P |
| [01:11:15] | phunyguy: | so sphery, you said mythfrontend.log? |
| [01:11:24] | sphery: | I haven't tested, so it may not work, but I can't think of any places where it would break, right now. |
| [01:11:24] | phunyguy: | http://pastebin.ca/1309661 |
| [01:11:27] | sphery: | phunyguy: yep, please |
| [01:11:28] | sphery: | thx |
| [01:11:49] | meshe: | database in a different timezone NOW() would be bad |
| [01:11:50] | phunyguy: | brb |
| [01:11:53] | sphery: | phunyguy: # |
| [01:11:54] | phunyguy: | gonna eat and watch chat |
| [01:11:55] | sphery: | 2009-01–15 20:09:59.732 Video timing method: USleep with busy wait |
| [01:12:03] | phunyguy: | whats that mewan? |
| [01:12:04] | sphery: | phunyguy: fix that and it will fix the gettimeofday |
| [01:12:04] | phunyguy: | mean |
| [01:12:13] | phunyguy: | would be nice to know how |
| [01:12:14] | sphery: | phunyguy: and likely give you /much/ better performance |
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| [01:12:41] | sphery: | phunyguy: you should be using OpenGL vsync: 2008-12–27 13:51:47.533 Video timing method: SGI OpenGL |
| [01:13:04] | sphery: | phunyguy: if you're not, it generally means your video drivers are improperly installed, which would give you /terrible/ performance |
| [01:13:50] | sphery: | though the USleep with busy wait will lower performance, it shouldn't--on its own--cause the issue you're seeing, but it's usually a symptom of what will cause the issue--bad driver install |
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| [01:28:36] | iamlindoro: | Heh, they couldn't be bothered to send an HD camera out to Bush's last hurrah |
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| [01:29:20] | iamlindoro: | Nice HD graphics over a crap SD feed |
| [01:31:25] | phunyguy: | ok, so is that an xorg.conf thing, sphery? |
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| [01:34:35] | phunyguy: | (both items) |
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| [01:36:14] | sphery: | phunyguy: generally it's a problem with the video driver /installation/ |
| [01:36:25] | sphery: | i.e. the package you're using (or whatever) didn't set thins up right |
| [01:36:46] | phunyguy: | oh.. |
| [01:36:48] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Wait wait, I don't have a /installation directory off of /... are my drivers broken too? |
| [01:36:49] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [01:36:59] | phunyguy: | hush, now. |
| [01:37:08] | phunyguy: | you get bored so you come in here making fun? |
| [01:37:10] | phunyguy: | ;P |
| [01:37:15] | phunyguy: | :P* |
| [01:37:20] | meshe: | can you paste the output of lspci? |
| [01:37:25] | meshe: | er pastebin |
| [01:37:27] | sphery: | phunyguy: Though lets start off with checking a setting... "Enable OpenGL vertical sync for timing" in frontend settings under TV Playback |
| [01:37:28] | iamlindoro: | phunyguy, Who's making fun of you? I'm talking to/teasing sphery |
| [01:37:35] | phunyguy: | tried it sphery. |
| [01:37:48] | iamlindoro: | phunyguy, And I do believe I can honestly say I've done more than enough to be afforded that |
| [01:37:48] | phunyguy: | i didnt say "of me" |
| [01:37:52] | sphery: | phunyguy: so what is it? on or off? You want on |
| [01:37:59] | phunyguy: | i do want on, ok. |
| [01:38:04] | phunyguy: | brb |
| [01:39:25] | sphery: | iamlindoro: what's up with the fresh and original ideas for themes... It's so not 0.21... |
| [01:39:42] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I'll try to straighten up and fly right from now on |
| [01:40:23] | sphery: | good... otherwise, people might start to think that replacing mfe with xbmc isn't a good idea |
| [01:40:44] | phunyguy: | ok it is on now |
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| [01:41:03] | phunyguy: | and still eating its heart out |
| [01:41:16] | phunyguy: | so you are suggesting i compile the nvidia driver myself? |
| [01:41:28] | phunyguy: | i don't mind doing that with a good tutorial. |
| [01:41:34] | sphery: | phunyguy: can you get me a new log with OpenGL vsync? Also, since yours skipped over RTC (which is preferred over usleep), you really need to fix the rtc permissions on your system. |
| [01:41:53] | phunyguy: | man, |
| [01:41:58] | phunyguy: | i didnt do it ;) |
| [01:42:02] | phunyguy: | its mythbuntu |
| [01:42:10] | phunyguy: | standard install *shrug* |
| [01:42:15] | sphery: | hmmm... actual mythbuntu or ubuntu + myth? |
| [01:42:18] | phunyguy: | mythbuntu |
| [01:42:24] | sphery: | strange |
| [01:42:31] | sphery: | I'd think they'd have that set up right. |
| [01:42:40] | phunyguy: | hence my concern now |
| [01:42:43] | meshe: | what version, 8.10? |
| [01:42:49] | sphery: | iamlindoro: did you have to do anything to enable rtc access on your system (you're mythbuntu, right?) |
| [01:43:00] | phunyguy: | yes |
| [01:43:13] | iamlindoro: | sphery, On one system, and no, nothing special done here |
| [01:43:13] | meshe: | i'm running mythbuntu 8.10 |
| [01:43:16] | phunyguy: | sphery, what do you suggest i do. ditch mythbuntu? |
| [01:43:30] | phunyguy: | go with a distro+mythtv? |
| [01:43:33] | phunyguy: | adding later? |
| [01:43:34] | meshe: | phunyguy: what video card do you have? |
| [01:43:35] | sphery: | no, mythbuntu is better |
| [01:43:40] | iamlindoro: | sphery, http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /244586.html |
| [01:43:40] | phunyguy: | 8200 onboard |
| [01:43:45] | phunyguy: | M3N78-VM mobo |
| [01:43:55] | phunyguy: | almost same as you? |
| [01:44:04] | meshe: | mines a 6200 |
| [01:44:10] | phunyguy: | oh that was someone else. |
| [01:44:29] | keith_: | i might be easily impressed.... but the fact that when I go to watch live TV, and my tuner is in use, and i'm able to watch any of the channels on that multiplex... is one of the COOLEST THINGS EVER |
| [01:44:36] | meshe: | did you grab the nvidia drivers from nvidia's site? or are you using the ubuntu ones? |
| [01:44:42] | phunyguy: | ubuntu one |
| [01:44:43] | phunyguy: | s |
| [01:44:54] | phunyguy: | "restricted drivers" |
| [01:45:38] | meshe: | that's what i'm running too, but if I run into issues I grab the ones from nvidia's site, you don't need to compile, it does the work for you |
| [01:45:51] | phunyguy: | just use the shell script they provide? |
| [01:45:52] | meshe: | you just need to make sure that the driver in your xorg is nvidia and not nv |
| [01:45:56] | meshe: | yeah |
| [01:45:58] | sphery: | iamlindoro: :) |
| [01:46:00] | phunyguy: | yeah it's nvidia |
| [01:46:15] | meshe: | remove the current nvidia driver before you run the shell script |
| [01:46:24] | phunyguy: | sudo apt-get remove? |
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| [01:46:30] | meshe: | yeah |
| [01:46:32] | phunyguy: | k. |
| [01:46:35] | iamlindoro: | sphery, ugh, now what to do about the guy wanting my ./configure since he wants to run trunk and can't figure that bit out |
| [01:46:58] | iamlindoro: | I'm going with "pretend I didn't hear" |
| [01:47:23] | meshe: | phunyguy: if you experience problems with the nvidia.com one, just do an apt-get install of the ubuntu ones |
| [01:47:25] | wagnerrp: | you should mail him the configure script |
| [01:47:31] | wagnerrp: | or otherwise give an svn link |
| [01:47:49] | iamlindoro: | Maybe ROT16 it |
| [01:48:18] | iamlindoro: | s/16/13/ |
| [01:48:21] | meshe: | ascii art? |
| [01:48:22] | iamlindoro: | stupid fingers |
| [01:48:55] | phunyguy: | heh i understood s/16/13 |
| [01:49:00] | phunyguy: | ;) |
| [01:49:00] | sphery: | iamlindoro: wanting your configure? |
| [01:49:02] | phunyguy: | not THAT noob |
| [01:50:17] | phunyguy: | wget'n driver now |
| [01:52:24] | meshe: | phunyguy: if that doesn't help, i might suggest spending $50 on any nvidia card |
| [01:53:53] | meshe: | also nvidia has released new drivers since 8.10, so there might be a fix |
| [01:54:09] | phunyguy: | rebooting |
| [01:54:12] | phunyguy: | driver is installed |
| [01:54:27] | phunyguy: | well i had an 8600 in there before |
| [01:54:35] | phunyguy: | did it then but that could have been any of teh other issues |
| [01:54:40] | phunyguy: | the* |
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| [02:04:09] | phunyguy: | :( yeah i ran the script |
| [02:04:20] | phunyguy: | it said that tthe nvidia driver couldnt load on a reboot |
| [02:04:40] | phunyguy: | even though it said it installed successfully |
| [02:05:09] | meshe: | you'll have to look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see why |
| [02:05:42] | meshe: | look for EE |
| [02:05:58] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Thanks for the assist on the list :) |
| [02:06:53] | phunyguy: | says that the module couldnt be loaded |
| [02:10:53] | wagnerrp: | yep... im amazed theres still discussion about 32 vs. 64-bit going on |
| [02:11:17] | wagnerrp: | i mean is it just a complete lack of knowledge about the implications? |
| [02:11:58] | wagnerrp: | i was just a young'un at the time, but i dont remember the same kind of issues during the 16-bit to 32-bit transition |
| [02:12:25] | wagnerrp: | although i imagine the average computer user in the early 90s was a bit more capable than today's standard fare |
| [02:12:57] | strex-work: | anyone farmillar with downgrading nvidia drivers in ubuntu? |
| [02:13:51] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, I think because it generally accompanied a clean break in OSes |
| [02:14:29] | iamlindoro: | ie you couldn't get multiple flavors of the same OS, really, so only one target for devs to hit |
| [02:15:16] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, I promise you that the last guy to post has no idea what he posted meant |
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| [02:24:10] | phunyguy: | wow i am really hosed up now, lol. |
| [02:24:21] | phunyguy: | oh well. |
| [02:24:34] | phunyguy: | i guess i am due for a reinstall now with all this playing around |
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| [02:31:25] | wagnerrp: | apparently trunk is the only form of source for mythtv |
| [02:32:03] | phunyguy: | ugh I hate when folks are rude in forums / mailing lists / etc |
| [02:32:14] | phunyguy: | because they felt the need to correct you. |
| [02:32:51] | phunyguy: | yeah I may have been "misinformed", but I wasn't rude with what I said. |
| [02:33:35] | phunyguy: | <rant> |
| [02:33:47] | phunyguy: | That's one of the things that drives me nuts about the open source community |
| [02:33:59] | Dagmar: | Not enough killings/ |
| [02:34:07] | phunyguy: | some folks just feel the need to act better than you because you asked for help on a simple subject |
| [02:34:16] | iamlindoro: | ERROR: MISMATCHED TAG |
| [02:34:24] | phunyguy: | </rant> |
| [02:34:37] | phunyguy: | :) |
| [02:35:03] | phunyguy: | OK so I heard from a semi-reputable source that DVI can carry audio.... |
| [02:35:08] | phunyguy: | I was obviously wrong. |
| [02:35:17] | Dagmar: | Yep. |
| [02:35:24] | Dagmar: | No big deal. |
| [02:35:31] | phunyguy: | meh. |
| [02:35:38] | phunyguy: | well I got a nasty reply. |
| [02:35:47] | Dagmar: | So plonk 'em |
| [02:35:51] | phunyguy: | showed me the spec for DVI |
| [02:36:03] | phunyguy: | and put "Search returned 0 results for Audio" |
| [02:36:06] | phunyguy: | thanks dude. |
| [02:36:19] | phunyguy: | coulda just said I was wrong,. |
| [02:36:23] | phunyguy: | ...nicely. |
| [02:36:30] | Dagmar: | So plonk 'em. |
| [02:36:34] | phunyguy: | plonk? |
| [02:37:07] | phunyguy: | and what ios "Top Posting" |
| [02:37:08] | phunyguy: | is* |
| [02:37:10] | Dagmar: | Yes. That's long-time internet slang for a filter that unceremoniously "plonks" anything they say into the virtual circular file. |
| [02:37:16] | wagnerrp: | posting on top of the previous message |
| [02:37:24] | phunyguy: | ok. That's what I thought. |
| [02:37:26] | wagnerrp: | its a matter of preference |
| [02:37:30] | phunyguy: | THANKS. |
| [02:37:34] | wagnerrp: | most people dont care |
| [02:37:36] | phunyguy: | that's what my reply was. |
| [02:37:47] | phunyguy: | he said "And don't top post." |
| [02:37:59] | wagnerrp: | but there are some people that for whatever reason absolutely hate not having to scroll through the previous batch of messages |
| [02:38:04] | Dagmar: | That would be when you reply by putting what you want to say above the quoted text. |
| [02:38:09] | phunyguy: | i said "Don't start sentences with 'And', it makes you sound rude in this respect" |
| [02:38:27] | Dagmar: | It makes reading any sort of exchange nightmarishly confusing after a mere 4–5 rounds. |
| [02:38:34] | phunyguy: | thank you Dagmar |
| [02:38:42] | phunyguy: | my email client had it at the bottom |
| [02:38:48] | wagnerrp: | basically, just follow the standard practice for the current thread |
| [02:38:53] | phunyguy: | I changed it to the top because I HATE reading through 90000 messages to get to the reply. |
| [02:39:00] | phunyguy: | well that's fine. |
| [02:39:11] | phunyguy: | but, how would I have known that until someone complained. |
| [02:39:21] | phunyguy: | also that thread was no help so if i get slammed, no biggie. |
| [02:39:27] | wagnerrp: | if the thread is already top posting, either continue top posting, or rewrite everything to make the entire thread bottom posted |
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| [02:39:35] | wagnerrp: | dont flip between the two mid-thread |
| [02:39:42] | phunyguy: | oh you mean the original post and proginal reply? |
| [02:40:00] | phunyguy: | s/pro/ori |
| [02:40:09] | phunyguy: | lol @ proginal. |
| [02:40:31] | wagnerrp: | basically, whatever the original reply did, just continue using that method |
| [02:40:32] | phunyguy: | but yeah I can understand that. I just wish that some folks had some common sense when it comes to correcting someone. |
| [02:40:55] | wagnerrp: | the 'TV connections' thread? |
| [02:41:00] | phunyguy: | yes. |
| [02:41:21] | phunyguy: | it's like, "my bad?" |
| [02:41:51] | Dagmar: | I usually just nuke everything that was top-posted when I reply because it's going to suck big time after awhile if it's *not* bottom-posted |
| [02:42:29] | phunyguy: | right that is fine. |
| [02:42:32] | phunyguy: | i just didn't know. |
| [02:42:37] | phunyguy: | simple as that. |
| [02:42:38] | wagnerrp: | anyway, DVI can carry 'analog' |
| [02:42:44] | phunyguy: | right – easily mistaken |
| [02:42:45] | wagnerrp: | perhaps you read that and saw 'audio' |
| [02:42:51] | phunyguy: | no it was an audio thread |
| [02:42:52] | phunyguy: | :P |
| [02:43:13] | phunyguy: | so perhaps someone else did |
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| [02:43:35] | phunyguy: | wait, that wasn't the Robert in here was it? |
| [02:43:42] | iamlindoro: | Oh yes it was. |
| [02:43:45] | phunyguy: | hahahaha |
| [02:43:47] | phunyguy: | well |
| [02:43:55] | phunyguy: | he was still ude. |
| [02:43:56] | phunyguy: | rude. |
| [02:44:01] | wagnerrp: | depends on who you thought the robert was |
| [02:44:05] | Dagmar: | They get worse. |
| [02:44:15] | Dagmar: | This is why you plonk first and often, and move on |
| [02:44:15] | phunyguy: | well he has been no help to me anywa. |
| [02:44:23] | ** iamlindoro coughs ** | |
| [02:44:36] | GreyFoxx: | haahah |
| [02:44:37] | phunyguy: | what is a virtual circular file? |
| [02:44:44] | phunyguy: | :P |
| [02:44:45] | GreyFoxx: | phunyguy: Robert = iamlindoro |
| [02:44:46] | Dagmar: | Otherwise you very rapidly become of the opinion that everyone's an asshole and the best thing you can do for the future of the human race is to simply blow up the planet |
| [02:44:51] | phunyguy: | still rude. |
| [02:45:13] | wagnerrp: | time to dust off and nuke from orbit |
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| [02:45:18] | wagnerrp: | its the only way to be sure |
| [02:45:22] | Dagmar: | phunyguy: Which filing container in an office is typically circular? This is a clue. |
| [02:45:22] | phunyguy: | and do you think i would have continued this if I cared that it was someone in here? |
| [02:45:25] | iamlindoro: | One might argue that stepping into the midst of a thread and correcting the responding poster with incorrect information is not only rude, but harmful, but hey, diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks |
| [02:45:27] | Dagmar: | ...or cylindrical. |
| [02:45:52] | phunyguy: | i've never worked in an office like that. |
| [02:45:57] | Dagmar: | Yes you have. |
| [02:46:07] | Dagmar: | The little round file that sits on the floor next to the desk. |
| [02:46:11] | phunyguy: | the original poseter asked whether or not it did |
| [02:46:14] | iamlindoro: | Frequently also found under your kitchen sink |
| [02:46:19] | phunyguy: | poster* |
| [02:46:20] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: the inbox? |
| [02:46:35] | Dagmar: | It looks like this |
| [02:46:35] | Dagmar: | http://uscopywriting.com/images/PAGE-IMAGES/w . . . r-basket.jpg |
| [02:46:38] | phunyguy: | ok so you mean delete the email. |
| [02:46:40] | phunyguy: | :P |
| [02:46:44] | Dagmar: | Not *just* delete it. |
| [02:46:44] | phunyguy: | i get it., |
| [02:46:54] | phunyguy: | but |
| [02:46:58] | phunyguy: | back to the case at hand. |
| [02:47:01] | Dagmar: | Deploy a filter so that it and all subsequent messages from that user go straight to /dev/null |
| [02:47:05] | phunyguy: | he asked a questioned, i gave an answer |
| [02:47:09] | phunyguy: | that'll teach me. |
| [02:47:13] | phunyguy: | -ed |
| [02:47:19] | GreyFoxx: | OH GET OVER IT |
| [02:47:24] | GreyFoxx: | someone was mean to me\ |
| [02:47:25] | Dagmar: | There's also the "don't get terribly bent out of shape about stuff" factor to be considered. |
| [02:47:34] | GreyFoxx: | I want a hello kitty bandaid and a pony ! |
| [02:47:34] | Dagmar: | ....because things can get worse. |
| [02:47:35] | phunyguy: | he got bent because i called him rude :P |
| [02:47:48] | phunyguy: | okokok. |
| [02:47:57] | Dagmar: | GreyFoxx can testify to the accuraccy of some of what I'm about to say |
| [02:47:59] | iamlindoro: | Have I been blacking out again? |
| [02:48:01] | phunyguy: | I'm over it if he is. |
| [02:48:19] | Dagmar: | I do a bunch of work (although less of late) for a project called Dropline, which aims to make GNOME available on a timely basis for Slackware users. |
| [02:48:25] | Dagmar: | This necessaarily involves PAM. |
| [02:48:55] | wagnerrp: | phunyguy: one other thing, posting in HTML format is going to piss off people on mailing lists |
| [02:49:06] | phunyguy: | well that was my first time using one. |
| [02:49:15] | wagnerrp: | primarily people still pine'ing away on their terminal-based email clients |
| [02:49:16] | Dagmar: | There's a somewhat sizeable contingent of Slackware users who liken this to not only reprinting the Holy Bible translated into "hippie", but simultaneously shortening it to a Readers' Digest edition and including gratuitous scenes of sex with goats. |
| [02:49:17] | phunyguy: | will probably be the last. |
| [02:49:25] | phunyguy: | WHY? |
| [02:49:26] | phunyguy: | lol. |
| [02:49:26] | Dagmar: | I get LOTS of lovely email and commentary from people. |
| [02:49:49] | GreyFoxx: | hhe |
| [02:49:53] | wagnerrp: | most people who have made it into the age of X wont really care, or notice the slightly larger file size |
| [02:49:54] | GreyFoxx: | heh I can imagine |
| [02:50:31] | Dagmar: | If I listened to any of it, I'd be back on the "complete sociopath" trail and let's jsut say that there wouldn't be a spam-holt operating for more than a few days anywhere in the world before I went nuts and threw whole countries'-worth of packets at it to make it go away |
| [02:51:04] | Dagmar: | As it stands I can mostly stand to still work on it because I really *need* Evolution to keep my email under constrol |
| [02:51:06] | sphery: | phunyguy: http://xkcd.com/438/ |
| [02:51:41] | Dagmar: | You've got to kinda kjust ignore the people who are going to be twits. Snatch what one or two useful bits of data they might spew out of their messages, and ignore the rest entirely |
| [02:51:50] | GreyFoxx: | html email encourages a LOTof annoying crap. oooh coloured email backgrounds, fancy fonts, <img> links to sites, and the WORST. Rather than properly quote and reply the MERELY embed their text in the original but with it set to RED or something |
| [02:52:46] | GreyFoxx: | The last one being most my hated |
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| [02:52:58] | Dagmar: | HTML email is the debbil's work |
| [02:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | caused pass it through a ticket system or some other processor and that shit is no longer red |
| [02:53:47] | phunyguy: | lol nice comic |
| [02:53:57] | GreyFoxx: | html alongside plain text I can live with, but html only is annoying, and those that actually set their fonts/comics and so on drive me batty |
| [02:54:21] | GreyFoxx: | haha s/comics/colours |
| [02:54:23] | phunyguy: | well it just seems that lists are dumb. |
| [02:54:26] | phunyguy: | just from that. |
| [02:54:31] | wagnerrp: | or this latest post by James Armstrong, shows he doesnt understand how to link to a webpage |
| [02:55:18] | wagnerrp: | three links in the email, and theyre all redirects through macrumors.com to tomshardware |
| [02:55:25] | phunyguy: | should send him a link to the video on that fake site about the mac without a keyboard, just an ipod style wheel. |
| [02:55:32] | phunyguy: | (laptop) |
| [02:55:41] | phunyguy: | the onion or whatever sitre |
| [02:55:42] | phunyguy: | site |
| [02:55:55] | Dagmar: | Let me guess... It has one mouse button you click by striking your safety-helmet wearing head against the thing? |
| [02:56:02] | phunyguy: | lol yeah |
| [02:56:10] | phunyguy: | you scroll to each letter with the wheel |
| [02:56:17] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: you use the wheel to select your character through the onscreen keyboard |
| [02:56:22] | phunyguy: | and it gives you variations of each letter that you have to select |
| [02:56:34] | phunyguy: | 4 gig model was like $1500 |
| [02:56:36] | phunyguy: | lol. |
| [02:56:44] | phunyguy: | or something ridiculous |
| [02:56:56] | wagnerrp: | it only takes me 45 minutes to click out an email, i dont know what i did without it |
| [02:57:12] | phunyguy: | hahahaha |
| [02:57:16] | phunyguy: | i take it you saw it |
| [02:57:19] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [02:57:22] | phunyguy: | <3 |
| [02:57:43] | wagnerrp: | i actually thought it was a real apple product, until i saw the onion was reporting it |
| [02:57:45] | Dagmar: | Any such device I think should necessarily come with a filter built into the browser to prevent any and all HTTP POST transactions from taking place. |
| [02:57:50] | phunyguy: | OK time to unsubscribe from the first and last mailing list i will use. |
| [02:58:13] | GreyFoxx: | There are meanies everywhere |
| [02:58:15] | wagnerrp: | bah... just sit there and troll like most users |
| [02:58:31] | GreyFoxx: | labling mailing lists "bad" cause you got a reply you don't like is just ridiculous |
| [02:58:40] | GreyFoxx: | might has well unplug and go live in the woods |
| [02:58:54] | Dagmar: | phunyguy: Get a gmail account and just subscribe it there |
| [02:59:07] | Dagmar: | ...or do like I do and just dip into the mailing list archives now and then |
| [02:59:19] | phunyguy: | no. |
| [02:59:26] | phunyguy: | thats the idea |
| [02:59:33] | wagnerrp: | what was that classified ads service where their ad campaign a few years back ended up with a guy naked in the woods and a hollowed out tree full of cash? |
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| [02:59:35] | GreyFoxx: | literally 99% of -users I just delete without reading |
| [02:59:36] | phunyguy: | that was a terrible experience. |
| [02:59:57] | phunyguy: | well. |
| [03:00:03] | GreyFoxx: | unless the subject interests me, or I see a poster who'se content I usually find interesting t goes to the trash |
| [03:00:13] | Dagmar: | Well, what we're telling you is that 90% of the ML traffic is crap. 5% of the remainder is trolls, and 4% of it is spam that slips through. |
| [03:00:16] | phunyguy: | like i said, I asked the same question twice and got a retarded answer. |
| [03:00:24] | phunyguy: | so CLEARLY irc is better |
| [03:00:26] | phunyguy: | :P |
| [03:00:32] | phunyguy: | you guys have helped out so much already. |
| [03:00:33] | Dagmar: | Or *hemhem* Googling |
| [03:00:39] | wagnerrp: | i just put a filter that redirects mail to a subfolder on my imap server |
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| [03:00:52] | phunyguy: | yea but onfortunately half the responses are mailing list archives – lol |
| [03:00:57] | wagnerrp: | i maybe check it once a day or two for titles that catch my eye |
| [03:01:02] | phunyguy: | un* |
| [03:01:20] | wagnerrp: | phunyguy: you clearly havent noticed that the SNR on IRC is far lower than even mailing lists |
| [03:01:27] | phunyguy: | SNR? |
| [03:01:34] | Dagmar: | Signal-to-Noise-Ratio |
| [03:01:34] | wagnerrp: | signal-to-noise-ratio |
| [03:01:39] | phunyguy: | that was my guess. |
| [03:01:42] | wagnerrp: | meaning IRC is nearly entirely off topic |
| [03:01:47] | phunyguy: | that is fine |
| [03:01:50] | phunyguy: | it is faster-scrolling |
| [03:02:00] | wagnerrp: | its like multiplayer notepad! |
| [03:02:05] | phunyguy: | it just gets tough when there are 1500 ppl in a channel |
| [03:02:15] | iamlindoro: | It also required substantially more tact and homework than a mailing list |
| [03:02:17] | phunyguy: | #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [03:02:19] | iamlindoro: | requires |
| [03:02:23] | phunyguy: | err |
| [03:02:23] | Dagmar: | If this channel gets that large, I will volunteer for kicking duty |
| [03:02:25] | phunyguy: | #ubuntu |
| [03:02:34] | iamlindoro: | ie in IRC you will get your tail handed to you if you haven't explored every avenue first |
| [03:02:40] | phunyguy: | only 1300 right now |
| [03:02:50] | phunyguy: | yes, and I have. |
| [03:03:00] | Dagmar: | phunyguy: So, a veritable sea of retards, then |
| [03:03:02] | phunyguy: | because i haven't gotten my tail handed to me. |
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| [03:03:20] | wagnerrp: | well #mythtv-users can be a bit rude to people if you obviously havent read the documentation |
| [03:03:25] | phunyguy: | yes Dagmar. they were zero help, and it was all noobs in there flooding the room with googleable questions |
| [03:03:29] | wagnerrp: | and #mythtv will just tell you to GTFO |
| [03:03:38] | tjcarter: | Hi all, has anyone ever seen MythTV PUT BACK programs right after you delete them? |
| [03:03:46] | jpabq: | iamlindoro: BTW, that motherboard with the pair of 8111C NICs, that I mentioned, seems to be working fine (with one NIC disabled). That machine is NOT running myth, but I have had no problems with the NIC so far (installed it last weekend). Running Fedora 10 with the latest "official" fedora kernel. |
| [03:03:47] | tjcarter: | they go grey, they are deleted, then they reappear. |
| [03:04:04] | phunyguy: | like this guy |
| [03:04:05] | phunyguy: | [22:03] <isiah> hey how can I get firefox 2 back on my ubuntu system? |
| [03:04:09] | phunyguy: | I MEAN COMON. |
| [03:04:23] | Dagmar: | He is why we need orbital death lasers |
| [03:04:34] | wagnerrp: | what about 'what configure flag do i need to enable vdpau' |
| [03:04:39] | Dagmar: | ...but... at least he's asking that in #Ubuntu where it's *mostly* the sort of question he should be asking them. |
| [03:04:52] | sphery: | tjcarter: the user running mythbackend probably doesn't have write permissions to the directory that contains the file, so it can't delete the file |
| [03:04:59] | phunyguy: | right but he should be getting reamed for not googling. |
| [03:05:03] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, Nice, maybe I will finally take a stab at it this coming week (Will probably have ample time to work on theme/hackery/Myth this weekend) |
| [03:05:40] | wagnerrp: | think Rod Smith has spend the last hour and a half typing up that essay? |
| [03:05:40] | phunyguy: | o_O [22:04] <Andre_Gondim> how is it the hd with install ubuntu by wubi? My friend receve error 1 |
| [03:05:50] | phunyguy: | WAT?!? |
| [03:06:00] | iamlindoro: | That's a language barrier |
| [03:06:05] | Dagmar: | phunyguy: Actually, I'm not sure I could come up with a decent Google search term set for that, but... His main problem is that he's installed something he has no idea how to use, and hasn't botehred to learn... but it's not stopped him from flipping switches and pushing buttons with wild abandon. |
| [03:06:25] | phunyguy: | haha Dagmar. |
| [03:06:34] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, what did I write? |
| [03:06:45] | Dagmar: | phunyguy: There's a LOT of that going 'round |
| [03:06:52] | phunyguy: | well yeah |
| [03:06:55] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: only about a thousand words |
| [03:06:58] | sphery: | kormoc: the other Smith... Rod |
| [03:06:58] | phunyguy: | thanks to Dell ;) |
| [03:07:02] | kormoc: | ooh, whoops |
| [03:07:21] | sphery: | well, since Smith is an uncommon name, easy to think he was talking about you ;) |
| [03:07:29] | wagnerrp: | the original post was about an hour and a half ago, and there were a number of other posts on the same thread in between |
| [03:07:59] | sphery: | kormoc: (Actually, after reading a Rod response, I had to look twice at the name to figure out why it was, er, different from your typical responses.) |
| [03:08:24] | iamlindoro: | That name is WAY more phallic |
| [03:09:12] | phunyguy: | brb |
| [03:09:53] | kormoc: | sphery, so is that a good thing or a bad thing? :P |
| [03:10:01] | Dagmar: | phunyguy: You can at least feel somewhat vindicated in that this particular project is practically a "perfect storm" of conditions for creating dipsh*t users. |
| [03:10:30] | iamlindoro: | Fun stuff + high learning curve = ZOMG IRC funtimes |
| [03:10:48] | Dagmar: | So also keep in mind that even the most patient guru-type is mostly convinced they're surrounded by a sea of couch-potato mouth-breathers. |
| [03:11:15] | wagnerrp: | you know, i absolutely love the term 'mouth-breathers' |
| [03:11:20] | Dagmar: | ...because this TV thing attracts them like a bug-light showing hardcore porno outside a sleazeball convention |
| [03:11:31] | sphery: | kormoc: BTW, #6050 now has a patch |
| [03:11:32] | wagnerrp: | its just an amazingly fantastic insult |
| [03:11:45] | kormoc: | sphery, snaz sauce |
| [03:12:07] | ** iamlindoro feels like he should really learn to appreciate PiP since it's getting so much love of late ** | |
| [03:12:10] | sphery: | might be a better way, but the patch works for me |
| [03:12:23] | sphery: | kormoc: oh, and let's just say I like /your/ posts to the list. |
| [03:12:35] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [03:12:37] | kormoc: | Good to know :) |
| [03:15:23] | phunyguy: | OK here is what I think I will do.... for now while I am waiting to grab another video card... |
| [03:15:25] | ** sphery realizes that he forgot to say, "in MythTV.pm" when he said, "otherwise-fatal errors" in #6050 ** | |
| [03:16:05] | phunyguy: | I don't mind standard definition, so I will run my antenna back to my dish box which supports the high def feed, then that will go back out via anamoprhic widescreen on svideo to my pvr. |
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| [03:16:25] | phunyguy: | so i will at least have the right aspect. |
| [03:16:33] | phunyguy: | i can't stand what my local stations do... |
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| [03:16:43] | phunyguy: | they crop the widescreen feed and put it out via SD |
| [03:16:54] | phunyguy: | that was my real reason for wanting high-def local. |
| [03:17:01] | phunyguy: | i hated getting half the show cut off. |
| [03:17:16] | phunyguy: | dish network doesnt do high-def local. |
| [03:17:24] | phunyguy: | so i took matters to my own hand and failed ;) |
| [03:17:31] | wagnerrp: | would you rather than pillarbox the already-letterboxed signal? |
| [03:17:45] | phunyguy: | what is pillarboxing again? |
| [03:17:53] | Dagmar: | Boxes on the left and right |
| [03:18:02] | Dagmar: | Think "black pillars" |
| [03:18:09] | phunyguy: | well some channels have two different feeds |
| [03:18:12] | wagnerrp: | i guess you would just end up with letterbox... |
| [03:18:17] | phunyguy: | so it isn't obviously chopped. |
| [03:18:30] | phunyguy: | but "ahem" NBC.. |
| [03:18:35] | phunyguy: | they are blatant |
| [03:18:57] | phunyguy: | half teh score is missing during sports games. |
| [03:19:01] | phunyguy: | the* |
| [03:19:28] | phunyguy: | the trick will be, i will have to manually add those channels because they don't show up as part of dish network on Schedules Direct. |
| [03:19:50] | wagnerrp: | isnt % the wildcard in mysql queries? |
| [03:19:59] | phunyguy: | since it will be coming from the Dish Reciever.... and I will also have to do something with the channel change script... |
| [03:20:18] | phunyguy: | since Dish Network has 3 digit channels but ATSC is ##_# |
| [03:20:25] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, it is, in certain checks |
| [03:20:42] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, WHERE col LIKE 'blah%' is a wild card, WHERE col = 'blah%' is not |
| [03:20:48] | phunyguy: | would have to find some way to pad 0's into the script so it can tell the difference between 4_1 and 41 |
| [03:20:58] | wagnerrp: | ah, thats my problem, i was doing col= |
| [03:21:10] | phunyguy: | anyone have any experience with this? |
| [03:21:23] | wagnerrp: | trying to find the intids for some movies, tmdb wasnt properly grabbing coverfiles for them |
| [03:21:27] | phunyguy: | last i checked the channel change script didn't like that. |
| [03:21:30] | wagnerrp: | thanks |
| [03:22:22] | phunyguy: | do any of you folks use the common channel change script? |
| [03:22:40] | phunyguy: | (irblaster style) |
| [03:22:51] | kormoc: | I do |
| [03:22:51] | phunyguy: | err irsend |
| [03:22:55] | phunyguy: | hmmm. |
| [03:23:03] | phunyguy: | i guess it would take a bit of added programming. |
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| [03:23:15] | phunyguy: | err scripting just to check the length of the input channel variable. |
| [03:23:21] | phunyguy: | and pad with 0s |
| [03:23:43] | phunyguy: | OR |
| [03:23:46] | kormoc: | <insert link to the advanced bash scripting guide here> |
| [03:23:54] | phunyguy: | will the channel change script pass on teh underscore? |
| [03:24:00] | phunyguy: | the* |
| [03:24:03] | phunyguy: | err |
| [03:24:09] | phunyguy: | will mythtv pass it on to the script? |
| [03:24:36] | wagnerrp: | you should have a completely separate channel lineup for the DTV box |
| [03:24:47] | phunyguy: | well tahts the thing |
| [03:24:53] | sphery: | phunyguy: mythtv passes the freqid, not the channel number |
| [03:24:54] | wagnerrp: | one where the channel numbers match what the DTV box thinks they should be |
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| [03:24:56] | phunyguy: | its coming from the same box |
| [03:25:20] | phunyguy: | its Dish Network with an input for a HD antenna |
| [03:25:24] | kormoc: | sphery, doesn't it depends on the script. Mine certainly is channel numbers |
| [03:25:29] | sphery: | phunyguy: and freqid is a user-editable field when using an external channel change script, so it can send you whatever you want, even "Bob", "Shirley", "You must be joking" |
| [03:25:32] | phunyguy: | mine too kormoc |
| [03:25:40] | kormoc: | ahh, that's the deal |
| [03:25:49] | phunyguy: | really? |
| [03:26:05] | phunyguy: | ok. So if i really need HD i will just switch inputs on the TV to the Dish box. |
| [03:26:15] | sphery: | yep, just edit freqid (in page 2 of the channel editor, IIRC) and it will send the value you tell it to send |
| [03:26:16] | phunyguy: | leave the HDMI hooked up directly to the TV |
| [03:26:45] | phunyguy: | ahh so with SD the freqid just happens to be the channel number as well.. |
| [03:26:56] | phunyguy: | SD+ Dish Network |
| [03:27:21] | phunyguy: | so i can make the freqid 0041? |
| [03:27:25] | phunyguy: | and it will send the 0's? |
| [03:27:33] | kormoc: | likely so |
| [03:27:38] | phunyguy: | all i needed to know. |
| [03:27:41] | phunyguy: | <3 thanks guys |
| [03:27:59] | phunyguy: | :-/ |
| [03:28:14] | phunyguy: | actually... |
| [03:28:18] | phunyguy: | well thats another issue. |
| [03:28:22] | kormoc: | you are quite the emotional roller coaster aren't cha? |
| [03:28:25] | phunyguy: | how will i get channel info. |
| [03:28:41] | phunyguy: | its part of the dish channel lineup |
| [03:28:54] | phunyguy: | yet schedules-direct wont recognise it |
| [03:28:57] | phunyguy: | not thsoe channels anyway |
| [03:28:58] | sphery: | yep, anything you put in there (technically, though, it can only be 10 chars, so "You must b" would work, then you could use "e joking" for the next channel. |
| [03:28:59] | phunyguy: | those* |
| [03:29:28] | phunyguy: | so that's a pickle. |
| [03:29:46] | phunyguy: | i suppose you can't manually add channels on teh SD website... |
| [03:30:59] | sphery: | phunyguy: are you sure you're choosing the right provider? |
| [03:31:15] | phunyguy: | sphery i am mixing two sources into one input. |
| [03:31:20] | sphery: | phunyguy: i.e. for locals, there's a difference between "DISH Network" and "DISH Network (Orlando)" |
| [03:31:28] | phunyguy: | dish network and OTA – both go to my Dish Reciever |
| [03:31:39] | phunyguy: | (for now anyway) |
| [03:32:11] | phunyguy: | and all go from that to svideo to my PVR-150 |
| [03:32:17] | phunyguy: | same SVIDEO cable. |
| [03:32:30] | sphery: | then use the "DISH Network (your local area)" option, it will contain things like 2 = WFTV, then you just change the external channel change script to map 2 to 2_1 |
| [03:32:34] | sphery: | or whatever |
| [03:32:41] | sphery: | or 0021 |
| [03:32:56] | phunyguy: | ok so if i change freqid... that will confuse SD, right? |
| [03:33:15] | phunyguy: | so i would have to add an entry in the script for each unique channel.. |
| [03:33:32] | phunyguy: | if $1 eq 4 then do... |
| [03:33:45] | wagnerrp: | is themoviedb.org just not giving out posters in its api searches? |
| [03:33:57] | phunyguy: | $1=0041 |
| [03:34:00] | phunyguy: | blah blah blah |
| [03:34:17] | phunyguy: | thats easy enough. |
| [03:34:18] | sphery: | phunyguy: SD sends data about what's on each channel. mythfilldatabase maps the SD data to MythTV channels using the xmltvid. |
| [03:34:21] | phunyguy: | big help, again. |
| [03:34:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | phunyguy: I have dish, and the locals are on it just fine. |
| [03:34:33] | wagnerrp: | all im getting is backdrops, even though the page has a poster (if perhaps not a high-res poster) |
| [03:34:40] | phunyguy: | HD? |
| [03:34:44] | phunyguy: | J-e-f-f-A? |
| [03:34:44] | sphery: | phunyguy: so you can edit freqid to anything you want (provided you're using an external channel change script) |
| [03:35:01] | phunyguy: | OH, so it won't confuse SD then? |
| [03:35:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | phunyguy: If I change the receiver to channel "25", it's internally mapped in the receiver to 8773. I can also tune Fox 25 by going to 8773 |
| [03:35:07] | sphery: | phunyguy: nope |
| [03:35:13] | phunyguy: | AWESOME. |
| [03:35:18] | phunyguy: | i will do that this weekend. |
| [03:35:28] | phunyguy: | just have to grab all my LIRC configs. |
| [03:35:35] | phunyguy: | i got a new remote... :-/ |
| [03:35:42] | phunyguy: | so this should be fun. |
| [03:36:00] | phunyguy: | its a 6 input universal, just have to figure out how to turn one input into mythtv capable. |
| [03:36:21] | phunyguy: | i did find a config, just dunno if it works or what output it is for. |
| [03:36:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | phunyguy: You don't need to grab anything for Dish IR blasters- there's a wiki article with all 16 possible dish codes. |
| [03:36:35] | phunyguy: | im not worried about that end. |
| [03:36:44] | phunyguy: | I'm worried about Remote to Myth |
| [03:36:51] | phunyguy: | my dish codes work fine |
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| [03:38:58] | wagnerrp: | oof... i just whiped out all my coverfiles |
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| [03:40:27] | wagnerrp: | should be a backup somewhere, from the last schema update a week or so ago |
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| [03:41:20] | phunyguy: | hah that was another question, with IMDB is there a way to autofill your movie database with info? |
| [03:41:30] | phunyguy: | i can go to each and search imdb with the feature, |
| [03:41:37] | wagnerrp: | phunyguy: with imdb, no |
| [03:41:38] | phunyguy: | but that gets tough with a few hundred movies.. |
| [03:41:43] | phunyguy: | is there another plugin? |
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| [03:41:52] | wagnerrp: | the imdb scraper is old and defunct |
| [03:41:58] | phunyguy: | i looked at this a while back and forgot about it. |
| [03:42:00] | wagnerrp: | the new one is tmdb (themoviedb.org) |
| [03:42:04] | phunyguy: | ahh |
| [03:42:07] | phunyguy: | sep plugin? |
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| [03:42:16] | phunyguy: | or have i just not seen it in there yet? |
| [03:42:17] | wagnerrp: | but you still have to tell it to search through each movie individually |
| [03:42:23] | wagnerrp: | it only exists in trunk |
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| [03:42:31] | phunyguy: | you cant just point it at the folder and fix its mistakes? |
| [03:42:38] | phunyguy: | meh. |
| [03:42:46] | phunyguy: | it really gets touch with my TV episodes. |
| [03:42:54] | phunyguy: | i have a bunch of old sitcoms ripped from DVD |
| [03:43:04] | phunyguy: | Roseanne, George Lopez, etc. |
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| [03:44:44] | phunyguy: | well as always, thank you for the help guys, especially you sphery. |
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| [03:44:49] | phunyguy: | i am off to bed. |
| [03:44:56] | sphery: | later, |
| [03:44:58] | sphery: | gl |
| [03:44:59] | phunyguy: | I've learned so much the past few days/ |
| [03:45:04] | wagnerrp: | screw it... i just flush the whole table and start over |
| [03:45:11] | phunyguy: | unlike Mr Lindoro... |
| [03:45:17] | phunyguy: | Mr Crabby-pants |
| [03:45:28] | phunyguy: | ttfn |
| [03:45:32] | kormoc: | Get off of my lawn... kids these days... |
| [03:45:46] | ** phunyguy dodges the garden hose spray ** | |
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| [03:48:09] | wagnerrp: | 2438 rows affected... perhaps that flush was a bit hasty |
| [03:48:53] | sphery: | videometadata? |
| [03:49:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [03:49:15] | sphery: | lotta videos |
| [03:49:42] | wagnerrp: | im wondering what would be easier |
| [03:49:45] | wagnerrp: | starting fresh |
| [03:50:07] | wagnerrp: | or inserting an old backup, and manually adjusting whatever schema changes are necessary |
| [03:51:46] | ** iamlindoro sighs ** | |
| [03:51:50] | iamlindoro: | kids these days |
| [03:52:14] | iamlindoro: | criminally underbeaten |
| [03:52:18] | wagnerrp: | teach me to fiddle with the database without making a backup first... |
| [03:52:34] | wagnerrp: | or not to... rather |
| [03:55:22] | wagnerrp: | well at least this gives me a reason to replace my crappy imdb posters with nice ones off tmdb |
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| [03:55:37] | wagnerrp: | even if they will never be seen at more than thumbnail resolution |
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| [04:04:28] | ryan_: | Hi Guys... does anyone know what script in mythtv is responsible for generating thumbnails of recorded shows? |
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| [04:06:24] | sphery: | Cyrexion: it's C++ code, not a script |
| [04:06:25] | sphery: | why? |
| [04:06:56] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Um, I'm pretty sure it calls mplayer just like the rest of myth |
| [04:06:59] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [04:07:12] | sphery: | are you the guy who was having an issue with previews created from RTJPEG NUV's? |
| [04:07:18] | iamlindoro: | Now you clean up the pieces while I cackle |
| [04:07:20] | sphery: | iamlindoro: haha |
| [04:07:33] | iamlindoro: | It's this or theme dialogboxen |
| [04:07:54] | sphery: | did you hit 40, already (you know, the actively malicious phase)? |
| [04:08:00] | iamlindoro: | Hahahaha |
| [04:08:07] | iamlindoro: | No, sadly, this is my helpful |
| [04:08:45] | ** iamlindoro wonders how to make a freakin X look distinctive ** | |
| [04:08:46] | sphery: | well, helps keep spirits high... laughter is medicine, and all. |
| [04:09:32] | sphery: | http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=distinctive X&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi |
| [04:10:06] | sphery: | what's up with all these websites putting actual spaces in URI's lately (versus encoded spaces, either + or %20)? |
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| [04:11:35] | wagnerrp: | im of the opinion any space in a URI, whether real or encoded with %20, necessitates someone getting stabbed in the face |
| [04:11:41] | iamlindoro: | Oh Inkscape, my old foe, we meet again |
| [04:12:11] | wagnerrp: | something as a search term is a rare exception |
| [04:12:37] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, both cases I've seen lately (the Google link, above, and an Amazon page) had the space in the GET query string, so really I shouldn't say, "in the URI" |
| [04:13:36] | wagnerrp: | my mom had some printout to do some survey online, complete with big long alphanumberic id running the width of the page, complete with spaces |
| [04:13:46] | wagnerrp: | the ID for the survey had spaces in it! |
| [04:14:09] | wagnerrp: | besides the fact that it was printed out, and had to be typed in verbatim, there were spaces! |
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| [04:15:45] | sphery: | nice |
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| [04:31:56] | iamlindoro: | argh, no more popups for tonight |
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| [04:38:54] | mzb_d800: | can anyone sell me a clue re dvb-s + twinhan 1020a? |
| [04:38:56] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
| [04:39:06] | mzb_d800: | (for Australia, in particular) |
| [04:39:45] | Cyrexion: | sphery: where is the c++ code for thumbnail creation located? |
| [04:40:40] | mzb_d800: | I *think* I'm using a dual-LNB dish, and I think it's pointed at Optus D1 |
| [04:40:56] | mzb_d800: | I've tried a few different techniques for setting up Diseqc ... |
| [04:41:09] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, Have you had a look at the DVB-S wiki page? |
| [04:41:24] | iamlindoro: | Ew, suck, forgot the wiki's down for a bit |
| [04:41:25] | mzb_d800: | yes, hasn't helped much |
| [04:41:41] | mzb_d800: | err ... I bookmarked it ~1hr ago |
| [04:41:52] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, Are you going straight into the LNB, or are you actually using a switch? |
| [04:42:07] | mzb_d800: | no idea |
| [04:42:14] | mzb_d800: | dish was already here |
| [04:42:23] | iamlindoro: | Heh, is the coax run from the DVB-S card straight to the LNB? |
| [04:42:23] | mzb_d800: | two cables underneath house |
| [04:42:27] | iamlindoro: | ah |
| [04:42:39] | iamlindoro: | in all liklihood it's going straight to the LNB unless you know otherwise |
| [04:42:39] | mzb_d800: | just pinched one and plugged into card |
| [04:42:47] | mzb_d800: | that's what I figured |
| [04:42:57] | mzb_d800: | I _have_ had picture _ONCE_ ;) |
| [04:43:18] | iamlindoro: | So no need to set up a switch, just add an LNB as the first node (most likely universal type) |
| [04:43:38] | mzb_d800: | I started with LNB Type = voltage, and freq = 10700 (seems to give me a scan) |
| [04:43:57] | iamlindoro: | LNB Type should be set to universal unless you know better |
| [04:43:59] | mzb_d800: | I've also tried LNB = Universal with 1/10700/10700 |
| [04:44:19] | iamlindoro: | Also very possible that one LNB is pointed at the sat you want and the other is not |
| [04:44:27] | mzb_d800: | (some comments about tricking card to produce 18V, but not sure if that's necessary) |
| [04:44:28] | iamlindoro: | As they are probably spaced 4ish degrees apart |
| [04:44:42] | mzb_d800: | yeah ... not sure about that, or how to test it |
| [04:44:48] | mzb_d800: | (3 degrees afaik;) |
| [04:44:58] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, The first thing you really need to do is figure out exactly physically how it's all connected |
| [04:45:18] | iamlindoro: | If there's a switch in there, you need to know what's on what port, and if there's not, you need to be sure you have the correct LNB connected |
| [04:45:20] | mzb_d800: | *sigh* ... that would involve climbing onto the roof :( |
| [04:45:48] | iamlindoro: | on the other hand you could just start by swapping to the other cable and trying again |
| [04:45:58] | mzb_d800: | one cable originally went to the lounge, the other to the bedroom |
| [04:46:10] | iamlindoro: | If that's so then there *is* likely a switch in there somewhere |
| [04:46:10] | mzb_d800: | I _assume_ it's an Austar dish |
| [04:46:16] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [04:46:21] | iamlindoro: | in which case you need to know what type of switch and what port to use |
| [04:46:21] | mzb_d800: | mounted on the dish? |
| [04:46:30] | mzb_d800: | bugger |
| [04:46:34] | iamlindoro: | Sometimes they're integral to the dish, but often/usually outside |
| [04:46:45] | iamlindoro: | just looks like a little splitter in most cases |
| [04:46:48] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [04:46:51] | mzb_d800: | brb2 |
| [04:46:54] | iamlindoro: | also, what makes you assume dual LNB? |
| [04:47:08] | iamlindoro: | If you only see one round bit at the end of the dish arm, it's single LNB |
| [04:47:49] | iamlindoro: | In which case the setup is definitely Card->Diseqc switch of indeterminate # of ports->LNB |
| [04:47:58] | mzb_d800: | the two cables go to a black box mounted at the focal point of the dish |
| [04:48:30] | iamlindoro: | you mean at the end of the dish arm? |
| [04:49:09] | mzb_d800: | yes |
| [04:49:18] | iamlindoro: | if it's dual LNB it sounds like an integral switch... can you find you dish online? |
| [04:49:27] | mzb_d800: | err |
| [04:49:43] | mzb_d800: | I doubt it ... without getting onto the roof (don't have time for that atm) |
| [04:49:59] | iamlindoro: | Going to be tough to troubleshoot without knowing the hardware |
| [04:50:11] | iamlindoro: | Are you certain about the # of LNBs? |
| [04:50:21] | iamlindoro: | ie is it One module at the end of the arm, or two? |
| [04:50:29] | iamlindoro: | or three, etc. |
| [04:51:00] | iamlindoro: | And I don't mean coax drops, but rather the round modules pointed back at the dish |
| [04:51:18] | mzb_d800: | one black box, two cables into it |
| [04:51:28] | mzb_d800: | I can probably take a pic |
| [04:51:33] | iamlindoro: | that would help |
| [04:51:40] | mzb_d800: | brb |
| [04:52:28] | Cyrexion: | iamlindoro, would you know how to perform a a frame capture via command line using mplayer? |
| [04:52:56] | iamlindoro: | Cyrexion, not off the top of my head, sorry |
| [04:53:03] | Cyrexion: | that's ok... thanks |
| [04:53:49] | sphery: | Cyrexion: in previewgenerator.cpp + various other files |
| [04:54:47] | sphery: | Cyrexion: what are you trying to do? |
| [04:54:59] | sphery: | You do realize that Myth can do frame caps for you, right? |
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| [04:55:24] | sphery: | I.e. go to the part of the show you want, pause (and then use left/right to get to the frame of choice) and hit L |
| [04:55:39] | clever: | that L key is new to me :O |
| [04:56:17] | Cyrexion: | it seems to be that once a show starts recording, the png file doesn't exist until I visit /modules/recorded via mythweb, or the recording finishes... |
| [04:56:42] | sphery: | Cyrexion: yeah, Myth waits until the show has recorded, then creates a PNG preview |
| [04:57:09] | Cyrexion: | it would be nice to have myth create an image once it has frames dumped |
| [04:57:14] | sphery: | if you go to Watch Recordings (and scroll past that show) or MythWeb's Recorded Programs, a PNG will be created |
| [04:57:23] | Cyrexion: | that is, once a show starts recording.. |
| [04:57:46] | Cyrexion: | if there were a way to do that via command line, that would be best in my case... |
| [04:57:58] | sphery: | it waits until it's done recording because it will have to create a new once once it's done recording, anyway |
| [04:58:33] | Cyrexion: | that would be fine... as long as a capture exists the moment the vid file comes into existence.. |
| [04:58:46] | sphery: | because it creates a new preview anytime the lastmodified timestamp is after the preview pixmap's timestamp, the pixmap is deemed outdated |
| [04:58:55] | sphery: | why do you need it earlier? |
| [04:58:59] | sphery: | Myth creates it on demand? |
| [04:59:10] | sphery: | or you can use MythXML to get one if you need it for you |
| [05:00:09] | mzb_d800: | iamlindoro: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/temp/img_0021.jpg |
| [05:00:20] | mzb_d800: | (that's the best I can do atm) |
| [05:00:25] | Cyrexion: | mythxml... hmm.. how do I invoke that? |
| [05:00:35] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, OK, so that's single LNB |
| [05:00:40] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [05:00:41] | mzb_d800: | ok |
| [05:00:44] | mzb_d800: | thanks |
| [05:00:56] | mzb_d800: | how can you tell? (I assume it's *that* obvious;) |
| [05:01:00] | iamlindoro: | So now let's try to determine frequency |
| [05:01:02] | sphery: | Cyrexion: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/332544#332544 |
| [05:01:16] | sphery: | Cyrexion: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/323174#323174 |
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| [05:02:18] | mzb_d800: | ok, I've had some success with 10700 |
| [05:02:30] | mzb_d800: | (or is that something else?) |
| [05:02:38] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, Well, the little white bit that points back to the dish is a single module, versus something like: http://www.tvtoyz.com/images/dish500_2-dual-lnbs.jpg |
| [05:02:57] | iamlindoro: | Which is not to say that you *can't* house two LNBs in the one module, but it's a lot less likely |
| [05:03:33] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, http://www.travelsat-tv.com.au/sharp10700dual_sml.jpg |
| [05:03:38] | iamlindoro: | That looks to be your LNB |
| [05:03:42] | iamlindoro: | which is indeed 10700 |
| [05:03:44] | Cyrexion: | perfect! exactly what I was looking for... thanks, sphery |
| [05:04:14] | iamlindoro: | So yeah, you want to set up with the first node is Diseqc being an LNB, with 10700 |
| [05:04:18] | mzb_d800: | ah ... I see |
| [05:04:25] | iamlindoro: | without any switch set up |
| [05:04:34] | sphery: | Cyrexion: for the future, if you explain what you're trying to do, it's easier for someone to give you the right answer. :) |
| [05:04:45] | iamlindoro: | one you're that far, the only things that can be wrong are scan settings and dish aim |
| [05:04:59] | iamlindoro: | once |
| [05:05:06] | Cyrexion: | agreed :) |
| [05:05:27] | mzb_d800: | so Custom+Voltage, or Custom+Universal ? |
| [05:06:04] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, let me go to mythtv-setup and see what I would do |
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| [05:06:31] | mzb_d800: | I assume previous tenants have had it work, and it looks like Austar have set it up (good enough gear, but dodgy install) |
| [05:06:41] | mzb_d800: | thanks |
| [05:07:28] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, I am purely guessing, but I would probably try Custom/Standard (Voltage)/10700 |
| [05:07:32] | mzb_d800: | I'm using _one_ of the Optus satellites (I assume) ... the direction is about right, but from where I stand I can't tell which of the three |
| [05:07:36] | mzb_d800: | ok |
| [05:07:59] | iamlindoro: | do you have any guess as to which? |
| [05:08:02] | iamlindoro: | (optus sat) |
| [05:08:22] | mzb_d800: | no, all three are 3 degrees apart (or so) |
| [05:08:29] | mzb_d800: | so pretty hard to tell from the ground |
| [05:08:52] | iamlindoro: | Looks like they're 4 and 8 apart |
| [05:08:59] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [05:09:09] | mzb_d800: | ok ... I had a look at this: http://www.dishpointer.com/ |
| [05:09:24] | iamlindoro: | What a bunch of bastards for not using common transponder frequencies |
| [05:09:29] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
| [05:09:43] | iamlindoro: | (if they all shared one or two frequencies it wouldn't matter) |
| [05:09:47] | mzb_d800: | judging by the "magic green line", and my position on the ground it's probably one of them ;) |
| [05:10:04] | mzb_d800: | I can always "scan -a 2" |
| [05:10:12] | mzb_d800: | (to prove the theory) |
| [05:10:16] | iamlindoro: | Well, we're going to ahve to sort of guess |
| [05:10:33] | iamlindoro: | Create a listings source for EIT, and attach it to the LNB, and get to the point where you're about to scan |
| [05:10:49] | sphery: | Cyrexion: in case you couldn't piece together the syntax from the post (that didn't give the answer, but only what was wrong with the one that was shown): wget 'http://europa.thirdcontact:6544/Myth/GetPrevi . . . p;SecsIn=64' -O test.png |
| [05:10:57] | iamlindoro: | Looks like they're mostly encrypted, so set it to scan encrypted channels too |
| [05:11:16] | iamlindoro: | (I assume you have a CAM or something for this problem) |
| [05:11:23] | mzb_d800: | done + ready ... err ... no CAM |
| [05:11:38] | kormoc: | well, dish shot themselves in the foot with me |
| [05:11:40] | mzb_d800: | just interested in FTA atm |
| [05:11:41] | iamlindoro: | okay, so you've set it to scan encrypted channels too? |
| [05:11:45] | mzb_d800: | no |
| [05:11:54] | iamlindoro: | let's just do that so that we can see if there are channels there/what we're pointed at |
| [05:11:58] | mzb_d800: | ok |
| [05:12:08] | iamlindoro: | then we can scrap the lineup and restart using the FTA transponders |
| [05:12:13] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, whahappen? |
| [05:12:17] | sphery: | kormoc: new remote? |
| [05:12:30] | mzb_d800: | ready to scan, what freq? |
| [05:12:38] | iamlindoro: | 12644000 |
| [05:12:41] | iamlindoro: | Vertical |
| [05:12:49] | iamlindoro: | Leave everything else auto |
| [05:12:55] | mzb_d800: | where'd you pull that from? ;) |
| [05:12:59] | iamlindoro: | actually... hmmm |
| [05:13:08] | Cyrexion: | sphery: once again, thanks... |
| [05:13:12] | kormoc: | so I'm moving and I own the equipment and dish is telling me that if they switch addresses, I need to sign a new 2 year contract (I'm currently contractless now) and I have to buy all new equipment, as self-owned equipment is tied to the address, not the person... |
| [05:13:18] | iamlindoro: | Trying to find your Symbol rate... |
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| [05:13:34] | iamlindoro: | 22500000 |
| [05:13:37] | iamlindoro: | as symbol rate |
| [05:13:39] | sphery: | kormoc: nice... |
| [05:13:44] | sphery: | kormoc: OTA ftw! |
| [05:13:50] | kormoc: | fios tv! :P |
| [05:13:52] | mzb_d800: | k |
| [05:14:26] | sphery: | kormoc: are you get FIOS 'net, too? |
| [05:14:30] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [05:14:33] | sphery: | lucky |
| [05:14:41] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, Is it seeing anything out there? |
| [05:14:44] | kormoc: | I currently have fios, the new place also has it, that's a easy transfer |
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| [05:15:23] | mzb_d800: | getting errors like: Can not measure Bit Error Rate, Can not count Uncorrected Blocks, DiSEqCDevTree, Error: No root device tree node!, DVBChan(35:105) Error: Tune(): Failed to setup DiSEqC devices |
| [05:15:48] | mzb_d800: | but scan window still up (at 100% complete) |
| [05:16:00] | mzb_d800: | strength&noise = 0 |
| [05:16:01] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, sounds like diseqc settings are off, then |
| [05:16:21] | mzb_d800: | hang on, symbol rate wrong |
| [05:16:41] | wagnerrp: | i just skimmed through an SNL episode |
| [05:16:47] | mzb_d800: | nope ... same |
| [05:16:50] | wagnerrp: | the current cast is really horrible |
| [05:17:11] | mzb_d800: | grr ... no diseqc settings! ?? |
| [05:17:30] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, you might need to set it as a Diseqc switch on the top node, with one port |
| [05:17:40] | mzb_d800: | oh |
| [05:17:42] | iamlindoro: | (I don't have experience not using a switch) |
| [05:17:43] | mzb_d800: | sounds odd |
| [05:17:58] | mzb_d800: | that's a bastard |
| [05:18:04] | Cyrexion: | take care guys... thanks again... have a good night |
| [05:18:15] | mzb_d800: | I'll have to delete the LNB, flush the tables and start again :( |
| [05:18:15] | iamlindoro: | Just try setting up a generic diseqc switch with one port... not saying it'll help, just worth a shot |
| [05:18:22] | mzb_d800: | hang on |
| [05:18:36] | iamlindoro: | no need to flush anything, deleting the LNB in the setup should be fine |
| [05:18:43] | sphery: | kormoc: I'm stuck with cable co 'net through a 3rd party. The cable co has stopped upgrading speed on accounts through 3rd party (Earthlink), so I'd have to sign up for $40/mo or higher cable TV + pay $15/mo extra to get higher speed... :( |
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| [05:18:58] | unstable: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . p;Tpk=DG45FC |
| [05:19:08] | unstable: | Is that a good motherboard for a MythTV box? |
| [05:19:37] | mzb_d800: | I had more luck importing channels.conf from a manual command line scan |
| [05:19:49] | sphery: | (that's $15/mo on top of what I currently pay for 'net in addition to $40/mo extra for cable TV--since I currently have OTA, only) |
| [05:20:01] | kormoc: | sphery, youch |
| [05:20:16] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, That's not going to ever work right as the channels.conf import is a bit broken-- but until you get correct diseqc setup it won't matter anyway |
| [05:20:23] | sphery: | i want fios |
| [05:20:26] | mzb_d800: | k |
| [05:20:31] | denos: | mythtv.org down for everyone or just my great ISP? |
| [05:20:32] | kormoc: | sphery, move to seattle? :P |
| [05:20:42] | kormoc: | denos, it's down for updates |
| [05:21:05] | denos: | k. thx. |
| [05:21:06] | sphery: | I was freezing today because the high was only 61F... |
| [05:21:16] | sphery: | Don't think I'd survive in Seattle. |
| [05:21:20] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [05:21:22] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
| [05:21:23] | clever: | sphery: its -27 C here |
| [05:21:31] | sphery: | wow |
| [05:21:51] | iamlindoro: | I don't believe that for a second |
| [05:21:54] | mzb_d800: | iamlindoro: switch type? |
| [05:22:03] | wagnerrp: | and i thought it was bad at 2F |
| [05:22:12] | mzb_d800: | or dm? |
| [05:22:16] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, I am purely guessing but let's try standard diseqc |
| [05:22:19] | mzb_d800: | k |
| [05:22:29] | mzb_d800: | with ports=1? |
| [05:22:42] | iamlindoro: | yeah, give it a shot |
| [05:22:43] | mzb_d800: | (rather than default=2) |
| [05:22:44] | mzb_d800: | k |
| [05:22:54] | iamlindoro: | Ah, -27 is possible, I guess, I hate Celsius |
| [05:23:01] | clever: | :P |
| [05:23:01] | mzb_d800: | then setup unconnected as LNB, right? |
| [05:23:05] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i find my car actually handles a lot better in the cold |
| [05:23:09] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, right |
| [05:23:30] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that's another thing... I've never learned to drive in snow/ice. |
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| [05:23:47] | denos: | Maybe someone here can help: I have intel hd sound going out on digital spdif. My capture is a direct firewire stream from a cable terminal. Sound is broken on all analog channels but works for digital and HD. However, when I play the analog channel recordings with mplayer they work. Any ideas? |
| [05:23:56] | mzb_d800: | don't look at the falling snowflakes! ;) |
| [05:24:12] | sphery: | denos: change your analog recording profile to use 48kHz audio |
| [05:24:14] | clever: | mzb_d800: ooooooo purty! |
| [05:24:33] | mzb_d800: | not when you're driving ;) |
| [05:24:35] | wagnerrp: | ive got a fairly windy road to get top the highway |
| [05:24:44] | denos: | That was quick! Trying... |
| [05:24:55] | wagnerrp: | i was going 60 through there, my tires usually start squeeling at ~50 |
| [05:25:19] | clever: | mzb_d800: i know |
| [05:25:35] | mzb_d800: | nope, same |
| [05:25:42] | mzb_d800: | s/ |
| [05:25:47] | mzb_d800: | iamlindoro: nope, same |
| [05:25:51] | wagnerrp: | and seemingly more power |
| [05:25:54] | sphery: | denos: and, if you want your 32kHz-audio recordings to play through Myth, you'll need to configure your sound card properly, as described at: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Digital_Sound (when mythtv.org is back up--they're doing work on it now) |
| [05:26:03] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, Then let's scrap the diseqc, go back to just the LNB, and try other LNB types |
| [05:26:21] | mzb_d800: | *sigh* ;( |
| [05:26:30] | clever: | sphery: http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:k9qyyafab . . . =1&gl=ca |
| [05:26:47] | wagnerrp: | thats one of the most painful links ive ever seen |
| [05:26:58] | sphery: | clever: that works :) |
| [05:27:00] | clever: | wagnerrp: i just put the whole url in google and clicked the cached link |
| [05:27:16] | clever: | ive used that before to bypass the pron&gamling blocks at school:P |
| [05:27:20] | clever: | (as a proof of concept) |
| [05:27:34] | mzb_d800: | wtf? when I go back into the card the diseqc settings have disappeared! |
| [05:27:49] | kormoc: | Cause nothing says creep better then looking at porn in public... |
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| [05:28:05] | wagnerrp: | well... except for the fact that pron and gambling pages would be ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS on a google cache |
| [05:28:26] | clever: | wagnerrp: yeah, its not realy usefull, but you can get a couple of images out of it:P |
| [05:28:34] | kormoc: | clever, google cache doesn't cache images |
| [05:28:41] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, unless you're japanese :) |
| [05:28:44] | iamlindoro: | and on the subway |
| [05:28:49] | iamlindoro: | and there are tentacles |
| [05:29:00] | clever: | kormoc: the mythtv logo in the wiki page is showing |
| [05:29:02] | kormoc: | ooh, that fulfills creep in my book :P |
| [05:29:04] | clever: | along with the bg image |
| [05:29:08] | iamlindoro: | hehe |
| [05:29:11] | kormoc: | clever, that's cause it's in your browser cache |
| [05:29:16] | clever: | ahhh:) |
| [05:29:20] | clever: | or the squid cache |
| [05:29:25] | clever: | (more tentacles!!!) |
| [05:30:35] | mzb_d800: | I've deleted contents of diseqc_tree to start again ... something odd going on there |
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| [05:31:18] | mzb_d800: | ok, that's got the LNB settings to "stick" |
| [05:31:52] | mzb_d800: | lol |
| [05:31:56] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, more or less, I'm looking at: http://www.lyngsat.com/optusd2.html |
| [05:32:06] | mzb_d800: | and now mythtv-setup crashes! grr |
| [05:32:12] | iamlindoro: | and you add three zeroes to Frequency and SR |
| [05:32:20] | HRearden: | Can someone help with an ALSA issue. I keep getting "Mixer unable to find control Master". I've set the mixer device to ALSA:default. I've set the mixer controls to both PCM and Master. Oddly,I get the error about Master even when set to PCM, and PCM does exist in amixer scontrols. |
| [05:32:31] | mzb_d800: | (oops) |
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| [05:32:46] | iamlindoro: | so 12644 V with SR 22500 is 12644000 Vertical 22500000 |
| [05:33:00] | iamlindoro: | the channels in beige are unencrypted |
| [05:33:36] | iamlindoro: | No idea whether that's the right optus sat, though |
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| [05:35:15] | mzb_d800: | grrr ... now the diseqc_tree table is not getting updated _at_all_ !! *sigh* |
| [05:35:40] | mzb_d800: | my time-limit is going to kill me in a minute (when she notices that I'm not in the shower yet;) |
| [05:35:43] | ** iamlindoro shurgs apologetically ** | |
| [05:35:45] | mzb_d800: | s/limiter |
| [05:35:46] | iamlindoro: | shrugs |
| [05:35:53] | mzb_d800: | not your fault |
| [05:36:22] | mzb_d800: | thanks for your help btw, at least I've got a better idea of what goes on now |
| [05:36:45] | iamlindoro: | no problem, I hope you get it (although some information gathering may be in order) |
| [05:37:01] | iamlindoro: | re: what you're pointed at, whether there is any other equipment in the line somewhere, etc. |
| [05:37:11] | mzb_d800: | yep |
| [05:37:22] | mzb_d800: | reasonably sure nothing in line |
| [05:37:36] | mzb_d800: | def. need to get up onto roof |
| [05:37:52] | iamlindoro: | the LNB likely says exactly what frequencies and voltages it uses, BTW |
| [05:37:55] | iamlindoro: | on the label |
| [05:39:14] | mzb_d800: | heh ... nice place to put it ;) |
| [05:39:43] | mzb_d800: | nah .. mythconverg not playing my game ... will take too long to figure it out, better leave 'till after weekend |
| [05:40:04] | mzb_d800: | thanks again ... better get on with the plan before I get accosted |
| [05:40:09] | iamlindoro: | good luck |
| [05:40:35] | mzb_d800: | ie: pregnant female in house, another (pregnant one) arriving any minute |
| [05:40:54] | mzb_d800: | (with a schedule/plan that includes my involvement ;)) |
| [05:40:58] | mzb_d800: | *sigh* |
| [05:41:34] | mzb_d800: | they're taking over the world, it seems ;) |
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| [05:41:43] | iamlindoro: | And multipllying |
| [05:41:48] | iamlindoro: | erg, multiplying |
| [05:41:51] | mzb_d800: | even more scary ;) |
| [05:42:25] | sphery: | HRearden: Myth currently has a hardcoded in check for/error message on missing Master control. If you have Myth set to Mixer controls: PCM, the warning message is unimportant. |
| [05:42:43] | mzb_d800: | worse: one is carrying mine, the other is my sister ... so I can't win either way :| |
| [05:43:03] | sphery: | HRearden: the reason you're getting it, though, is because your sound card has no Master control (intel_hda, right?). You can create a softvol called Master to make Myth shut up if you like. |
| [05:43:34] | HRearden: | thanks, sphery. Wanted to make sure my sound had no problems before I asked about VDPAU. Yes, its intel_hda. I'll look into the softvol thing. |
| [05:43:34] | sphery: | (that is, shut up the warning message, not the playback audio :) |
| [05:43:47] | HRearden: | Yeah, audio is actually fine. |
| [05:43:55] | sphery: | really not important, though, and the softvol wouldn't help, so... |
| [05:44:05] | sphery: | other option is to comment out the line that outputs the warning :) |
| [05:44:52] | HRearden: | On to VDPAU. I've got this running on a slower-than-my-phone VIA with a 512MB PCI card. It's working OK when it gets running, but everytime the OSD fades in or out at all it stutters for about 30 seconds. |
| [05:45:11] | HRearden: | Is this a setup problem or a problem with my underperforming VIA? |
| [05:45:36] | sphery: | did you try turning off OSD fades? |
| [05:45:41] | sphery: | in playback profile |
| [05:45:56] | wagnerrp: | hrearden: what card do you have (im looking to pick one up) |
| [05:46:06] | sphery: | (in the interest of full disclosure, however, I should say I know absolutely /nothing/ about VDPAU) |
| [05:47:06] | HRearden: | It was a PNY Verto. Although I bought too soon — I wanted 512MB fanless and the Sparkle one was out of stock, so I ended up with this one with a fan. |
| [05:50:20] | HRearden: | Boy, no fade is a whole lot better. |
| [05:50:59] | HRearden: | I feel oh-so-much-closer to rescuing this paperweight of a Via-piece-of-shit-that-never-got-high-def-decoding-in-linux |
| [05:52:49] | HRearden: | Interestingly, although it doesn't seem to be stuttering at all, I'm getting about 10–12 prebuffering pauses per second. |
| [05:53:08] | HRearden: | Any ideas on these? |
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| [06:09:47] | sphery: | HRearden: re: prebuffering pauses, what do you have for "Extra audio buffering" in TV Playback settings and for "Aggressive Sound card Buffering" in main General settings? |
| [06:11:35] | Chutt: | HRearden, osd drawing with vdpau is very suboptimal currently. it'll improve in the future. |
| [06:14:35] | HRearden: | hell, at this point, I'm just damned impressed with the whole thing even as-is. Kudos all around. I'm sure it'll get better from here. |
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| [06:18:37] | HRearden: | Aggressive Sound Card buffering is off. Extra audio buffering is on. |
| [06:18:56] | sphery: | that's usually what you want... |
| [06:19:16] | sphery: | however, if you invert them, it may have a beneficial effect for very low-powered CPU's |
| [06:19:29] | HRearden: | worth a shot... |
| [06:23:26] | HRearden: | nope. Sounds like everyones at the bottom of the ocean... |
| [06:24:30] | sphery: | might want to try both on (which you normally wouldn't want, but some people say it works better for intel_hda) |
| [06:24:44] | sphery: | If not, go back to Aggressive off and Extra on |
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| [06:33:16] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: Sorry for not posting a patch for #4770. I was waiting for the MythVideo storage groups code (first from George Nassus, now--it looks like--from GreyFoxx), which would include Storage Group types, so I could fix it "correctly" once and for all. (I had also planned to have the Thumbnails and Channel Icons storage group code complete by now, so I saw the list of special groups growing larger than just DB ... |
| [06:33:22] | sphery: | ... Backups.) Actually, I just mentioned #4770 to GreyFoxx earlier today... :) |
| [06:33:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | no biggie, I just was going through some tickets and that was a quick one to close knowing there are bigger things in the works later. |
| [06:34:37] | kormoc: | sphery, iamlindoro, one of you guys remember offhand where to pull the aspect ratio for a recording? recoreded markup, no? |
| [06:34:59] | sphery: | cool... Will be easy enough to redo based on storage groups type once available. |
| [06:35:16] | sphery: | kormoc: aspect changes are written to recordedmarkup |
| [06:35:36] | sphery: | but I don't know the plan for finding the "most-seen" aspect... |
| [06:35:55] | kormoc: | I think I wrote that query for iamlindoro and it's in a ticket of his... |
| [06:35:58] | sphery: | IIRC, iamlindoro was doing that for some code he was working on, but using a query you gave him (that he lost) |
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| [06:36:28] | sphery: | cool... maybe he found it again (or asked again) |
| [06:36:39] | kormoc: | yeah, we re-wrote it one evening not too long ago |
| [06:38:02] | sphery: | hmmm... maybe he was doing the resolution ( http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6032 ) and gbee did the aspect stuff first. |
| [06:38:18] | sphery: | either way, it should be a similar query to the one you did with iamlindoro |
| [06:38:33] | kormoc: | ahh, that's what it was |
| [06:41:47] | sphery: | aspect marks at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . aminfo.h#L29 |
| [06:41:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, do you know if anyone has done any testing to see if Daniel's MARK_GOP_* changes fixed it so that mythcommflag can generate proper seektables for mpeg2 files now? |
| [06:42:22] | HRearden: | What exactly does mythfrontend do at startup that consumes the entire CPU for 30 seconds or so? (svn trunk) (during the fancy new popup box that shows Initializing MythTV). most of the time mythfrontend uses 60% CPU, X the other 40%. |
| [06:42:46] | kormoc: | prescaling and caching theme images |
| [06:43:25] | HRearden: | This is to memory, not disk, so no advantage the second time? |
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| [06:44:30] | HRearden: | I'm also getting a ~10 second delay when I enter the setup menu. off of main before the second setup menu appears. Same thing with CPU ut on X and mythfrontend. |
| [06:45:12] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: don't know... I haven't tested it on my dev box and only have -fixes on production. |
| [06:46:03] | Captain_Murdoch: | same here. I see a patch in another ticket to try to fix it for h264 but I'm not up enough on that code to know whether it wouldn't break other things. |
| [06:46:45] | wagnerrp: | i remember something about work to allow multiple different grabbers in mythvideo? |
| [06:51:36] | Anduin: | wagnerrp: You'll be able to pick for 0.22, no data merging planned though. |
| [06:52:13] | wagnerrp: | just looking for something work on... im redoing all my metadata currently |
| [06:52:30] | wagnerrp: | might as well do something to get the tv shows to grab properly |
| [06:52:55] | justinh: | iamlindoro: just been thinking, randomly... did you consider showing fanart as backgrounds in filename order too? ;) |
| [06:53:54] | wagnerrp: | if you see a laptop running some program to delete all data, why would you not just pull power and battery? |
| [06:54:21] | Anduin: | order is more difficult to maintain over screen loads |
| [06:55:18] | Anduin: | maybe it was one of the new apple ones with no removable battery, criminal masterminds no doubt were on the design team |
| [06:55:57] | wagnerrp: | then yank the hard drive |
| [06:56:07] | wagnerrp: | or shoot the battery |
| [06:56:54] | wagnerrp: | of course... theres not actually any way to quickly delete data off a hard drive short of thermite |
| [06:59:31] | justinh: | strictly speaking, thermite deletes the hard drive ;) |
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| [07:00:52] | wagnerrp: | the drive is still there, it just now exists as a slag of metal |
| [07:00:57] | ** justinh goes to work ** | |
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| [07:15:36] | denos: | Not having much luck with my digital sound. I am receiving a stream copy via firewire of programs. Any channel that delivers 32 khz audio has no sound (or clicks). I've tried asound.conf stuff from the Digital Sound wiki but no dice. Any suggestions? |
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| [07:16:27] | wagnerrp: | channels deliver 32khz audio? |
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| [07:16:57] | k-man: | have you all voted on the lifehacker poll? |
| [07:17:02] | denos: | Yep. Not all but a number of them do (AETV here) |
| [07:17:17] | wagnerrp: | you cant expect proper audio reproduction over 12khz or so |
| [07:17:20] | wagnerrp: | thats pathetic |
| [07:17:23] | cesman: | what lifehacker poll? |
| [07:17:27] | wagnerrp: | linkage? |
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| [07:17:34] | k-man: | http://lifehacker.com/5128408/six-best-dvr-applications |
| [07:18:12] | wagnerrp: | what is that skin? |
| [07:18:12] | k-man: | mythtv is running slightly behind windows media center |
| [07:18:21] | k-man: | nfi |
| [07:18:42] | k-man: | i like the background on the WMC screen shot |
| [07:18:45] | wagnerrp: | never seen it |
| [07:18:46] | k-man: | looks nice |
| [07:19:01] | wagnerrp: | never actually known you could have item placement like that |
| [07:19:06] | sphery: | denos: with most PC sound cards you can not do 32kHz AC-3/DTS passthrough. |
| [07:19:16] | wagnerrp: | not in old mythui anyway |
| [07:19:20] | sphery: | denos: so you need to let MythTV decode audio and send it as PCM |
| [07:20:17] | sphery: | denos: if you use the ALSA conf from the wiki page (the /long/ one in that page) as /etc/asound.conf, you cannot have a ~/.asoundrc and you would set Myth to use ALSA:digital or ALSA:mixed-digital for audio output device and ALSA:default for mixer device. |
| [07:20:29] | sphery: | and make sure you do not enable AC-3 passthrough |
| [07:20:38] | sphery: | (if you don't like that, talk to Intel) |
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| [07:22:58] | Dagmar: | FWIW there's no point in ever setting up a ~/.asoundrc unless you *deliberately* want whatever you've set to apply to that user alone. |
| [07:23:26] | wagnerrp: | well on a dedicated myth box, thats usually sufficient |
| [07:23:44] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but it's not something most people are likely to remember to backup |
| [07:23:48] | sphery: | or, if you don't have access to /etc/asound.conf :) |
| [07:23:57] | Dagmar: | ...but people will back up /etc wholesale without a thought |
| [07:24:05] | sphery: | (but if it's your box, that shouldn't be a problem :) |
| [07:24:58] | wagnerrp: | even though theres only a handful of files in there you should ever actually touch |
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| [07:28:04] | Dagmar: | I was thinking more along the lines of "regardless of whether or not some of those files are very, very machine-specific, like the autogenerated udev hooks for ethernet cards and so on" |
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| [07:46:19] | justinh: | wagnerrp: the mythtv screenshot is apparently of the very first ever (now completely) defunct theme. where these people dig up their screenshots from I'll never figure out |
| [07:46:39] | wagnerrp: | oh fun |
| [07:46:59] | wagnerrp: | well... its not like anyone is going to chose based of a screen shot |
| [07:47:25] | wagnerrp: | their mind is made up before even touching that page |
| [07:47:54] | justinh: | coming 2nd to MCE isn't bad, considering windows' market penetration |
| [07:48:48] | justinh: | but then, I don't think many people here worry too much about how popular mythtv is per se |
| [07:49:46] | justinh: | it's always nice to be liked (by as many people as possible) but that apparently isn't high most contributors agendas ;) |
| [07:49:55] | justinh: | *high on. |
| [07:51:10] | wagnerrp: | being appreciated always gives a nice warm feeling, but popularity is only good so long as it provides worthwhile new contributors |
| [07:51:20] | denos: | sphery: It was the AC3-passthrough. Once disabled the settings worked. Thanks a bunch for your help! |
| [07:51:49] | sphery: | denos: enjoy |
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| [07:52:07] | justinh: | though if you read the comments on that survey page it seems a lot of people are confused as to what a DVR is. Lots of ghost votes for Boxee/XBMC |
| [07:53:00] | wagnerrp: | down to -1F |
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| [07:53:53] | wagnerrp: | about -18C to you un-british... :P |
| [07:54:07] | justinh: | some of us Brits only know metric |
| [07:54:26] | justinh: | and decimal money |
| [07:54:32] | wagnerrp: | you forsook your unit heritige! |
| [07:55:26] | justinh: | I hate to think how bad some people would have it in life if we hadn't gone decimal :P |
| [07:55:40] | justinh: | levels of numeracy being what they are ... |
| [07:56:03] | justinh: | having to divide by 12 or 14 in their head... eek! |
| [07:57:24] | wagnerrp: | 14? |
| [07:57:29] | wagnerrp: | not 12 and 20? |
| [07:57:48] | wagnerrp: | i thought it was 20 shilling, 12 pence |
| [07:57:51] | justinh: | 14 pounds in a stone.. yay many ounces in a pound.. whatever |
| [07:58:16] | justinh: | 20 groats to an ox |
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| [07:58:47] | justinh: | the metric system is just so.. logical :) |
| [07:59:03] | wagnerrp: | yeah, even we have decimal money |
| [07:59:35] | justinh: | I can't even remember how pre-decimal money worked. we've been decimal a long time |
| [08:00:29] | justinh: | I do remember thinking that the old 'imperial' stuff was a stupid bunch of arbitrary arse when I was very young |
| [08:00:45] | justinh: | almost medieval :) |
| [08:00:57] | justinh: | and that's still how I see it today |
| [08:02:37] | justinh: | I'm not one of those traditionalists who cling onto the old ways just for the sake of it. when I was on holiday last year I saw a lot of billboards advocating people take up their pitchforks to reverse metrication & to fight to keep the ENGLISH pound, to the death if necessary. Bless those yokels |
| [08:03:18] | wagnerrp: | i would take up metric in a heartbeat |
| [08:03:24] | Anduin: | every US generation thinks they will be the last to endure it, so far metric has won bulk soda |
| [08:03:37] | wagnerrp: | of course being an engineer, im already fairly well indoctrinated |
| [08:03:38] | xris: | http://www.mythtv.org/ |
| [08:05:06] | justinh: | wagnerrp: looking at how bad people are at numbers here now I'd say it might be worth fighting it.. though it maybe has more to do with how it's taught than anything else... aaaaaaaaaanyway |
| [08:05:24] | Anduin: | MythTV hardware donations seem to be the best advertising dollars one can spend. |
| [08:05:31] | justinh: | wheee new shiny site :) |
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| [08:07:27] | justinh: | xris: has anybody made new tarballs? |
| [08:08:21] | wagnerrp: | i was wondering why you bothered to post the link in here |
| [08:08:28] | justinh: | heheh |
| [08:08:45] | wagnerrp: | thought maybe you were in the wrong window or something |
| [08:09:06] | xris: | justinh: tarballs of what? mythtv version is still the same |
| [08:09:10] | xris: | just a new website |
| [08:09:19] | wagnerrp: | new release of fixes |
| [08:09:26] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to the original 0.21 release |
| [08:09:35] | justinh: | less trouble :) |
| [08:10:09] | xris: | I don't see new tarballs in the file repo |
| [08:10:13] | xris: | only 0.21 release |
| [08:10:53] | Anduin: | They don't exist, or didn't last time someone suggested they should be generated more than once. |
| [08:11:08] | wagnerrp: | i just realized, 24 is like a sports game |
| [08:11:16] | wagnerrp: | there are regularly scheduled TV timeouts |
| [08:11:21] | justinh: | wagnerrp: no spoilers please |
| [08:11:28] | wagnerrp: | where all the characters just stand around and take a breather |
| [08:11:52] | justinh: | heh. you JUST realised that? ;) |
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| [08:12:16] | justinh: | excusable if you started watching at season 7 :) |
| [08:12:23] | hachi: | I keep landing these programs and episodes in my list of "_NO_TITLE_" |
| [08:12:34] | wagnerrp: | well it just dawned on me that there were specific gaps where nothing happens |
| [08:12:46] | hachi: | the files dont' appear to exist on disk, and there isn't anything I've requested to be recorded |
| [08:12:52] | wagnerrp: | 5 minutes at a time |
| [08:12:54] | hachi: | anyone have a clue what they might be coming from? |
| [08:13:05] | wagnerrp: | ive never actually watched an episode live |
| [08:13:14] | wagnerrp: | and i really started watching last year |
| [08:13:27] | justinh: | hachi: recording from a source other than 'TV' ? |
| [08:14:22] | hachi: | no |
| [08:14:27] | hachi: | but I have two recording sources |
| [08:14:37] | wagnerrp: | and you have scheduling data for both of them? |
| [08:15:05] | hachi: | yup |
| [08:15:16] | hachi: | it's actually complete now |
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| [08:15:43] | hachi: | it says it's coming from channel 153 or something, which would be my new source |
| [08:16:04] | hachi: | however I haven't asked for any programs to be recorded on it, and the schedules are populated |
| [08:16:43] | wagnerrp: | so who works at silicon mechanics? |
| [08:19:07] | wagnerrp: | or do they just have a number of myth users |
| [08:19:50] | hachi: | I don't work there... hopefully you're not talking at me ;) |
| [08:20:16] | wagnerrp: | no, the new site. hardware donated by silicon mechanics |
| [08:20:42] | wagnerrp: | hosting by OSL |
| [08:21:20] | sphery: | x ri s used to (and kor moc, IIRC) |
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| [08:25:34] | ** justinh wonders when mythtv became a DVR not a PVR ** | |
| [08:25:57] | wagnerrp: | tmdb really has a long way to go before its 'similar' movies are of any worth |
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| [08:26:13] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i really have no idea what the difference is between a DVR and PVR |
| [08:26:16] | justinh: | wagnerrp: it's only as good as its contributors unfortunately |
| [08:26:32] | wagnerrp: | other than possibly a VCR may count as a PVR |
| [08:26:39] | justinh: | wagnerrp: digital video recorder.. just seems to me a digital equivalent of a VCR |
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| [08:27:13] | justinh: | need to find a new way to bash people over the head who just want to dub their VHS to DVD :) |
| [08:27:31] | wagnerrp: | and Personal Video Recorder, all encompassing term including both analog and digital recorders |
| [08:28:14] | justinh: | then again, no matter what it's termed there'll always be fools who want to do something daft |
| [08:28:43] | wagnerrp: | use mythtv to dub their super 8! |
| [08:29:26] | justinh: | heh |
| [08:29:36] | justinh: | I still have some of that somewhere |
| [08:29:55] | wagnerrp: | we have some that were considering getting sent out to a duplication service |
| [08:29:59] | wagnerrp: | never got around to it |
| [08:30:37] | justinh: | back in the day it was so expensive, so we bought a box to point a camcorder & projector at |
| [08:30:45] | wagnerrp: | not sure if i would trust some service to compression of my video |
| [08:31:00] | justinh: | nor me |
| [08:31:08] | wagnerrp: | maybe send them a 300GB drive along with the tape, tell them to give me raws |
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| [08:31:13] | justinh: | heh |
| [08:31:22] | justinh: | or raw DV at least |
| [08:31:45] | wagnerrp: | well if they game me DV tape, i would subsequently have to buy something that could read DV tape |
| [08:31:56] | justinh: | in DV only the frames are compressed |
| [08:32:07] | justinh: | s/frames/fields |
| [08:32:56] | justinh: | duh. no no no no. I'm wrong. I only just found that out the other day. DV isn't similar to mjpeg.. dunno how that stuck in my head |
| [08:33:19] | wagnerrp: | i thought DV only had chroma compression |
| [08:33:55] | justinh: | nope |
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| [08:34:06] | wagnerrp: | like it was stored as 420 or 422, as opposed to 444 |
| [08:34:09] | justinh: | though chroma is subsampled |
| [08:35:34] | justinh: | that's it. DV uses intraframe compression based on DCT. so not quite 'similar' to MJPEG |
| [08:35:48] | justinh: | i.e. it's not just a sequence of stills as such |
| [08:35:58] | hachi: | either of you know how bad it would be upgrading to trunk HEAD... or somewhere in that area. currently running .21 from july |
| [08:36:26] | wagnerrp: | are you willing to put up with things breaking occasionally with little to no support? |
| [08:36:38] | hachi: | yup |
| [08:36:41] | justinh: | hachi: YMMV. better to update to a newer version of 0.21-fixes for general use unless there's a new feature you absolutely feel you absolutely need to have. Absolutely |
| [08:36:57] | hachi: | well, I want to do devel work as well |
| [08:37:03] | hachi: | hard to do useful devel work on an old version |
| [08:37:12] | justinh: | pointless doing it on an old version |
| [08:37:19] | justinh: | only worth doing it on trunk |
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| [08:37:43] | hachi: | any decent way to assess what's broken in trunk HEAD currently? |
| [08:37:45] | justinh: | hachi: do what a few devs do. have a production system, and do dev work on a different box |
| [08:37:55] | justinh: | hachi: look at open tickets |
| [08:37:56] | wagnerrp: | check trac, look at open tickets |
| [08:38:03] | hachi: | fair enough |
| [08:38:44] | justinh: | hachi: it's even possible to keep different versions on the same box.. but not recommended |
| [08:38:44] | wagnerrp: | seems its 411 chroma |
| [08:39:01] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt be that difficult to manage |
| [08:39:12] | justinh: | yeah for NTSC wagnerrp, 4:2:0 for PAL |
| [08:39:17] | wagnerrp: | you just install them both to subfolders in /opt |
| [08:39:28] | justinh: | and use a different database |
| [08:39:34] | justinh: | and different capture hardware |
| [08:39:39] | wagnerrp: | and use PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH to manager executables |
| [08:39:51] | wagnerrp: | well im assuming you wouldnt run them both at the same time |
| [08:40:12] | justinh: | wagnerrp: too obtrusive in a production system IMHO |
| [08:40:21] | wagnerrp: | yeah, fair enough |
| [08:40:23] | hachi: | oh, I can pull that off |
| [08:40:32] | hachi: | LD_LIBRARY_PATH is fun for doing dev work |
| [08:40:32] | justinh: | just got a USB tuner for my laptop, now I just need to sort out storage |
| [08:40:53] | wagnerrp: | ive got a cloned boot image on my file server if i ever need to flip back to -fixes |
| [08:40:53] | justinh: | hachi: only bite off as much as you can chew ;) |
| [08:40:59] | hachi: | do you happen to know if there's some aspect of trunk that won't let me downgrade to stable if need be? |
| [08:41:05] | justinh: | oh yes |
| [08:41:15] | hachi: | I guess the prudent thing is to run backups :) |
| [08:41:18] | wagnerrp: | but ive only so far used it to check if some feature was working on -fixes or not |
| [08:41:29] | justinh: | you back up your DB before upgrading, then you can only go back to that backup |
| [08:41:33] | wagnerrp: | see if trunk, or my system, was broked |
| [08:41:47] | wagnerrp: | turns out it was my system |
| [08:41:50] | justinh: | there's no going back to -fixes from trunk in the database |
| [08:42:06] | justinh: | schemas, new tables, settings, new columns.. missing columns.. missing tables... |
| [08:42:21] | wagnerrp: | network boot scripts setup my network wrong, put my on the wrong subnet |
| [08:42:24] | justinh: | that's the price of progress :) |
| [08:42:39] | wagnerrp: | so it was sending out broadcast packets, looking for my HDHR, on the wrong broadcast IP |
| [08:43:00] | justinh: | hachi: so take a backup of your -fixes system today, 6 months down the line if you no longer want to run trunk you'd have to revet to a 6 month old database |
| [08:43:05] | wagnerrp: | hachi: IIRC, -fixes is on schema 1216, trunk is on 1228 |
| [08:43:51] | justinh: | you could possibly keep your recordings & some stuff if you're careful & export tables the right way to re-import them into the older version |
| [08:43:52] | wagnerrp: | that reminds me, how much time to i have left on my SD subscription? |
| [08:44:26] | justinh: | but depending on the current state of trunk when you do that, it may be more work than it's worth ;) |
| [08:44:38] | wagnerrp: | im good until june |
| [08:45:07] | hachi: | nah, I doubt it will be like that |
| [08:45:17] | hachi: | the thing will be if I want to revert 20 minutes after I upgrade |
| [08:45:26] | hachi: | (and notice that something major broke) |
| [08:45:32] | justinh: | backing up your DB regularly is a bloody good idea anyway |
| [08:45:42] | wagnerrp: | note that all your favorite themes will probably not be supported |
| [08:45:47] | wagnerrp: | just the few core ones |
| [08:46:21] | wagnerrp: | thats not likely to change until 0.22 is released |
| [08:46:27] | wagnerrp: | or gbee stops changing things |
| [08:46:30] | wagnerrp: | whichever comes first |
| [08:46:47] | justinh: | all the core themes will work one way or another up til 0.22 |
| [08:46:48] | wagnerrp: | and gbee currently has plans for new stuff through 0.23 |
| [08:47:12] | hachi: | I've never used anything but the default actually |
| [08:47:14] | justinh: | I have plans too... whether anybody'll ever see them come to fruition or not.. |
| [08:47:25] | justinh: | hachi: and you can still stand to use it? meh |
| [08:47:27] | hachi: | I'm not a fan of 'themes' so much... just splat the text on my screen, I'll be happy :) |
| [08:47:58] | wagnerrp: | sounds like some guy i know why was building a DVR back in the 1900s |
| [08:47:59] | justinh: | at least the new default doesn't gouge your eyes out |
| [08:47:59] | directhex: | text splattage has low WAF |
| [08:48:13] | hachi: | WAF? |
| [08:48:14] | wagnerrp: | s/why/who/ |
| [08:48:19] | wagnerrp: | wife acceptability factor |
| [08:48:23] | justinh: | wife acceptance factor |
| [08:48:41] | hachi: | single, male, geek |
| [08:48:42] | justinh: | if you still use GANT chances are you don't have a SO who also uses mythtv, I'm figuring |
| [08:48:42] | wagnerrp: | you say acceptance, i say acceptability |
| [08:49:45] | justinh: | I almost junked myth – when I first installed it I remember the default being Blue for some reason, which I quite liked. the next time I went to it, there was GANT. almost dumped it until I realised I could change it back |
| [08:50:03] | kormoc: | justinh, a knife to my heart! |
| [08:50:17] | justinh: | and then, I started messing with changing image files. Sometimes I wish I'd just left well alone :) |
| [08:50:24] | wagnerrp: | juntinh: seems SD is looking into expanding into foreign markets |
| [08:50:38] | justinh: | wagnerrp: yep. already placed my vote |
| [08:51:39] | justinh: | kormoc: horses for courses isn't it. I can appreciate any theme on a 'professional' level, cos I know how much graft has to go into em |
| [08:51:56] | hachi: | I should make a theme for myself... I'm not sure I care enough |
| [08:52:08] | hachi: | text tends to fall out of the designated places on my screen a lot |
| [08:53:01] | justinh: | and then I go saying something like "looks great, but it's not something I could see myself using" which upsets people who made them. Hyprocritical but at the same time honest |
| [08:53:10] | justinh: | hachi: so raise tickets ;) |
| [08:53:14] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [08:53:16] | justinh: | or fix the xml files :) |
| [08:53:27] | kormoc: | I'm used to the GANT hate, but someone has to speak for the theme! |
| [08:53:46] | hachi: | dude, I just got into actually fixing things |
| [08:54:01] | justinh: | kormoc: I was trying to find out who reverted some of the 'improvements' I made yesterday |
| [08:54:08] | hachi: | I was using it till now, yes... but I found it /really/ hard to talk to people about it |
| [08:54:17] | justinh: | couldn't find any commits related to the changes in trac |
| [08:54:29] | kormoc: | to GNAT or other themes? |
| [08:54:35] | justinh: | GANT |
| [08:54:54] | justinh: | I'm not really fussed, just wondered when they happened |
| [08:55:18] | justinh: | I like to think I'm keeping my eye on the ball |
| [08:55:39] | kormoc: | justinh, according to the logs (http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/trunk/mythtv/themes/G.A.N.T) there's been no commits for 4 days |
| [08:55:41] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [08:56:03] | justinh: | it was prolly longer ago than that |
| [08:56:38] | justinh: | kormoc: any UI related commits, I've been trying to keep abreast of for my own benefit :) |
| [08:56:47] | kormoc: | hehe |
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| [08:58:10] | justinh: | been spending a good amount of time trying to get out of old habits/style |
| [08:58:14] | wagnerrp: | seems TVRage has no terms of service |
| [08:58:22] | wagnerrp: | does that mean free-for-all? |
| [08:58:27] | justinh: | finding it really difficult actually |
| [08:58:33] | justinh: | wagnerrp: until they say otherwise |
| [08:58:43] | hachi: | ugh, I'm almost 1000 revisions behind on my checkout |
| [08:58:53] | wagnerrp: | i actually found a link to their TOS page |
| [08:59:07] | wagnerrp: | but when you go there, you just get 'Unknown Page' |
| [08:59:20] | justinh: | hachi: which is one of the reasons I find it strange when people ask stuff like "so, no release for like yay long.. is mythtv dead or what?" |
| [08:59:35] | hachi: | hah |
| [09:00:08] | justinh: | hey, wonder whatever happened to Freevo 2.0 anyway ;) |
| [09:00:15] | wagnerrp: | didnt 0.21 start somewhere around 16000? |
| [09:00:35] | justinh: | BC or AD ?# |
| [09:00:47] | wagnerrp: | revision |
| [09:00:47] | hachi: | I could wish for any project to be released more often, mythtv doesn't need that lecture |
| [09:01:04] | hachi: | my own projects suffer as badly from it :) |
| [09:01:15] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, [16468] |
| [09:01:51] | kormoc: | we should release right now! Things are just broken, but that shouldn't stop a release, right? right? |
| [09:02:04] | justinh: | meh |
| [09:02:39] | justinh: | hahaha I just read the sticker on the bag the useless antenna came in |
| [09:03:30] | justinh: | "Enclosed antenna is a free gift for outdoor use only. The performance may vary or limit according to the location and signal coverage. For indoor use, a good quality ROOF antenna is highly recommended for better signal strength" |
| [09:03:43] | justinh: | ORLY? I'd never have guessed |
| [09:04:59] | hachi: | wha? |
| [09:05:18] | wagnerrp: | wayback machine to the rescue! |
| [09:05:35] | directhex: | my new mobo doesn't do audio over hdmi. boo! |
| [09:05:45] | directhex: | can't be arsed to patch the kernel to support it. boo! |
| [09:05:48] | kormoc: | how would you use a roof antenna indoors? |
| [09:05:57] | wagnerrp: | seems around the end of 2006, they moved their TOS to a 'terms and conditions' |
| [09:06:18] | justinh: | same diff, n'est pas? |
| [09:06:28] | wagnerrp: | even though they updated the page to not link to the no longer existent TOS |
| [09:06:39] | justinh: | kormoc: I have a photo of me doing just that somewhere :) |
| [09:06:40] | wagnerrp: | err... they never updated |
| [09:07:01] | hachi: | kormoc: staple it to the underside |
| [09:07:08] | hachi: | wheee... git repacking |
| [09:07:32] | justinh: | a goosneck mic stand with a heavy base, a 'universal' mic stand clip made of plastic.. and lots of tape :) |
| [09:08:05] | justinh: | it pulled in 5 out of 6 muxes at a more than usable signal strength indoors :) |
| [09:08:16] | justinh: | not what I'd call a portable setup though |
| [09:09:05] | directhex: | i have a roof aerial in the attic :/ |
| [09:09:12] | justinh: | kormoc: in a lot of the UK people get away with having aerials in their loft.. which is a bonus for the ladder-shy |
| [09:09:30] | kormoc: | heh, fair 'nuff |
| [09:10:00] | justinh: | anyway, that sledgehammer to a nut solution ensured we had workable TV signals at LRL '07 :) |
| [09:10:07] | clever_: | id have snow/wind problems with sticking it on the root |
| [09:10:09] | clever_: | roof* |
| [09:10:21] | clever_: | and it just seems weird to have a arial beside a sat dish :P |
| [09:10:22] | directhex: | you'd have them in the attic |
| [09:10:44] | ** justinh fondly remembers the episode of The Simpsons where acid rain melts the antenna ** | |
| [09:10:53] | clever_: | theres not much room in the attic with all the random truss's everywhere |
| [09:10:54] | wagnerrp: | are sat signals strong enough to go through asphalt shingles? |
| [09:11:15] | justinh: | wagnerrp: not really. or they'd fry anything in their path :P |
| [09:11:22] | clever_: | justinh: and homer ran back&forth between outdoors and the tv |
| [09:11:35] | wagnerrp: | well apparently its enough for broadcast signals |
| [09:11:43] | hachi: | errr |
| [09:11:50] | hachi: | README file says: |
| [09:11:53] | hachi: | If you are in North America, you do not need XMLTV. MythTV has a built-in grabber which uses Zap2It as a data source. |
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| [09:12:01] | justinh: | yes but satellites are much further away than the broadcast TV mast.. and at a lower output power |
| [09:12:04] | wagnerrp: | the readme file is OOOOOLLLLLLLDDDDDD |
| [09:12:10] | clever_: | labs.zap2it.com has shut down |
| [09:12:13] | hachi: | yup |
| [09:12:15] | hachi: | I know |
| [09:12:17] | justinh: | submit a patch to the README file :) |
| [09:12:21] | hachi: | I stopped using it a year ago |
| [09:12:26] | ** directhex patches justinh ** | |
| [09:12:27] | hachi: | well, I can, sure |
| [09:12:37] | wagnerrp: | its been longer than a year |
| [09:12:37] | hachi: | but more importantly I don't know if I need XMLTV for SD |
| [09:12:46] | kormoc: | you don't |
| [09:12:52] | wagnerrp: | 0.20.2 came out to support SD, and that was 2006? |
| [09:12:54] | hachi: | right, patch rolling |
| [09:13:12] | justinh: | directhex: hey if I knew what to put in its place I'd correct it myself |
| [09:13:17] | hachi: | funny thing though |
| [09:13:24] | hachi: | the second line of the readme says |
| [09:13:25] | hachi: | ************************ Release 0.22 |
| [09:13:40] | hachi: | so someone updated it long since 2006 :) |
| [09:13:44] | justinh: | improvements to documentation are always (well ok not always) welcome |
| [09:13:50] | kormoc: | we update the important bits, the version number and don't worry bout those things noone actually reads, the content |
| [09:14:08] | ** directhex patches kormoc too ** | |
| [09:14:27] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the only people who compile from source are people who have for the most part progressed beyond myth documentation |
| [09:14:35] | kormoc: | Hideo ho good neighbor! |
| [09:14:42] | justinh: | if stuff would god damn stay still for five minutes it might actually be worth making a 'real' PDF user manual |
| [09:14:46] | wagnerrp: | and gentoo users who dont look at the package anyway |
| [09:15:35] | wagnerrp: | well just write one in latex, patch/rebuild as necessary |
| [09:15:39] | justinh: | though I learned a lot from the user manual in the wiki. I could never figure out how to edit recordings from just random button prodding |
| [09:15:43] | hachi: | do the debian packages get made by anyone you folks talk to? |
| [09:15:47] | hachi: | or is that entirely out of your hands? |
| [09:16:11] | justinh: | packaging folks drop in here from time to time. not sure who does the debian ones |
| [09:16:23] | clever_: | apt-cache show mythtv |
| [09:16:32] | clever_: | should name the email of the maintainer |
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| [09:16:46] | hachi: | it says marillat is doing it |
| [09:16:47] | wagnerrp: | plus you have the big three custom installers who are usually in here |
| [09:16:55] | hachi: | dunno if they're on here though, that's why I asked |
| [09:17:01] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [09:17:05] | wagnerrp: | whether or not they make the base packages, i dont know |
| [09:17:09] | kormoc: | custom installers? |
| [09:17:16] | justinh: | distro rollers :) |
| [09:17:20] | wagnerrp: | mythdora, knoppmyth, mythbuntu |
| [09:17:25] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [09:17:36] | ** kormoc starts mythtoo ** | |
| [09:18:23] | wagnerrp: | something that you tell it your hardware, and come back two days later? |
| [09:18:26] | justinh: | I've even had the pleasure of meeting cesman in person. how the heck he manages to remain such a nice bloke I'll never figure. same goes for the other dev folks. guess they're just made of better bits than me |
| [09:18:50] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, sure! |
| [09:19:02] | justinh: | only two days? |
| [09:19:08] | kormoc: | justinh, heh I think they just send most of their email to /dev/null |
| [09:19:22] | kormoc: | justinh, wanna keep the performance crown! |
| [09:19:23] | wagnerrp: | justinh: well the expectation is that youre running at least semi-modern hardware |
| [09:19:28] | clever: | wagnerrp: im working on a script that would roll out a complete / for a mythtv frontend, in gentoo:P |
| [09:19:29] | directhex: | justinh, it gives you an idea of what to patch, though. the usual thing to do si bisection, no? |
| [09:19:40] | clever: | wagnerrp: i would expect multiple days on something like that |
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| [09:19:49] | kormoc: | clever, #!/bin/bash emerge mythtv ? |
| [09:20:07] | justinh: | #if (via_epia) { wait 4days; bombout } |
| [09:20:09] | clever: | kormoc: that just installs mythtv alone, it doesnt even create / |
| [09:20:27] | wagnerrp: | well you dont create /, you unpack / |
| [09:20:37] | wagnerrp: | unless youre one of those nuts that starts from a stage 1 |
| [09:20:46] | ** kormoc whistles and looks around ** | |
| [09:20:47] | clever: | kormoc: the debian/ubuntu version uses debootstrap to make a /, then install all the needed packages, AND configure everything properly |
| [09:20:56] | justinh: | I was one of those nuts once. I only did it the once.. and that was by mistake |
| [09:20:59] | wagnerrp: | at most, you just update world after install |
| [09:21:13] | clever: | wagnerrp: yeah, i would unpack a stage3, configure it for everything i need to have it boot right into mythfrontend, and then emerge world |
| [09:21:21] | justinh: | took about 18 hours non-stop on my athlon 800 |
| [09:21:41] | justinh: | then 3 days later tried recursively deleting a dir.. oops. reinstall |
| [09:22:17] | clever: | my setup lets me roll out a completely fresh and fully configured / with 1 command, so i could in theory reinstall(and loose nothing) |
| [09:22:21] | justinh: | like the guy who was caught short on his way home from a night out, I paid the price for having a slash in the wrong place |
| [09:22:40] | wagnerrp: | well it wouldnt be fully configured with a single command |
| [09:22:48] | wagnerrp: | unless you have a hundred command line flags |
| [09:22:53] | clever: | wagnerrp: i have all the sane defaults in the script |
| [09:22:56] | justinh: | hmm. what did I come in for again? |
| [09:23:19] | kormoc: | justinh, to belittle the common folk? |
| [09:23:38] | clever: | wagnerrp: it copys a set of 'template' scripts into the root and sticks one into rc.local, those scripts then load X up on boot with mythfrontend, and posibly mythbackend |
| [09:23:38] | justinh: | not done much of that lately, really |
| [09:23:51] | kormoc: | heh |
| [09:23:56] | kormoc: | shame, perhaps |
| [09:24:16] | justinh: | I'm starting to believe in karma |
| [09:24:31] | kormoc: | yeah? |
| [09:24:45] | justinh: | sort of |
| [09:24:57] | justinh: | not like er.. religiously or anything |
| [09:25:17] | kormoc: | gonna make a list? |
| [09:25:20] | justinh: | lol |
| [09:25:56] | justinh: | god, if I decided to go back to everyone I've ever peed off & make good I'd not have time for anything |
| [09:26:08] | kormoc: | but it makes good tv! |
| [09:26:26] | justinh: | if not laugh out loud TV.. watchable at least |
| [09:27:21] | justinh: | damn. just thought "hmm.. a bit tired of firefox sucking on my work desktop machine.. might try Google Chrome". Not with a windows 2000 Pro box I won't |
| [09:29:25] | ** kormoc znoozes ** | |
| [09:32:15] | justinh: | interesting. just heard on the grapevine that a guy at our other site has mythfrontend working on our new embedded board. shrist |
| [09:32:26] | justinh: | I might have to take a peek at that |
| [09:32:38] | justinh: | hw accel & everything apparently |
| [09:32:47] | hachi: | ogh, pushing is taking forever |
| [09:33:17] | wagnerrp: | seems i need to update myth, i picked up #6083 on a dozen or so files tonight |
| [09:34:02] | justinh: | TI DSPs, can't remember the CPU.. think it's some Renesas RISC thingy |
| [09:34:27] | justinh: | ethernet, USB, HDMI.. not as small as Nvidia Ion looks though |
| [09:34:31] | justinh: | and prolly not as lovely |
| [09:35:27] | justinh: | funny that a dev guy here would be told to make it work with mythtv. wonder what they have up their sleeves |
| [09:36:11] | wagnerrp: | boss is redoing his home theater |
| [09:37:09] | justinh: | boss is a zillionaire.. he can afford not to have to develop his own hardware to do it on |
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| [09:38:21] | wagnerrp: | wow, im a full 120 revisions behind |
| [09:40:22] | ** justinh goes looking for a firewall to stop the network seeing 'MythTV Av renderer' Upnp messages from his laptop ** | |
| [09:41:01] | wagnerrp: | running Vista? or do linux systems do that now too? |
| [09:43:35] | justinh: | people have seen my laptop on the network.. and I'd rather it didn't show itself as that, ta very much |
| [09:44:34] | wagnerrp: | oh, youre running a backend from the laptop... |
| [09:44:53] | justinh: | frontend! |
| [09:45:07] | wagnerrp: | the frontend runs a renderer? |
| [09:45:20] | justinh: | reports itself in upnp |
| [09:45:25] | justinh: | go see for yourself |
| [09:45:32] | justinh: | sniff it out |
| [09:45:34] | wagnerrp: | i thought it was the backend reporting |
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| [09:45:42] | wagnerrp: | ill take your word... im going to bed |
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| [09:46:52] | justinh: | nah if the backend is bound to 127.0.0.1 it doesn't bother with upnp... mythfrontend does though |
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| [09:52:37] | sid3windr: | you pee and pee |
| [09:53:14] | directhex: | only after 4 pints |
| [09:57:41] | hachi: | hmmmm |
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| [10:08:36] | hachi: | oh bloody hell |
| [10:08:42] | hachi: | two of my boxes are 32bit |
| [10:08:46] | hachi: | the other two are 64bit |
| [10:08:57] | hachi: | I'm gonna have to build both sets of packages, grrr |
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| [10:20:03] | justinh: | blimmin feck. dynamic menu code. I smell fail |
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| [10:38:02] | Chicago: | Anybody using an HVR-1600 on gentoo atm? |
| [10:43:27] | justinh: | got a problem compiling the drivers yourself ? ;) |
| [10:43:58] | justinh: | saying that, they're likely in the kernel now |
| [10:44:27] | Chicago: | I get a kernel panic – DMA memory would be corrupted. I compile from linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb |
| [10:44:37] | justinh: | eew. |
| [10:44:51] | Chicago: | going to try again with nomtrr on the kernel init |
| [10:44:52] | justinh: | asked the v4l dev guys about it? |
| [10:45:05] | Chicago: | channel is quiet... I talked abit to the #linuxtv guys. |
| [10:45:53] | justinh: | I've seen plenty kernel panics, but only when I was rolling my own & forgot to build a module :) |
| [10:47:07] | Chicago: | likely the case here too... |
| [10:47:41] | hachi: | ohno, I've only got 336GB free! |
| [10:47:41] | justinh: | so it's at boot time then.. not during actual operation? |
| [10:48:15] | Chicago: | justinh... its just not working at all. |
| [10:48:38] | Chicago: | I got a new serverbox about a week ago and have been steadily building in support for the new hardware and configuring the OS.... (gentoo).... |
| [10:48:54] | Chicago: | one time last week I had the card working 70 percent.... the streams were corrupted though... |
| [10:49:02] | Chicago: | since then, my .config changed alot. |
| [10:49:14] | justinh: | if it was me, I'd just go with $different-distro |
| [10:49:32] | justinh: | but then I'm a lot more lazy than I used to be ;) |
| [10:50:56] | Chicago: | justinh: Superfun quadcore xeon workstation... for me :) I like gentoo... the compile time has pretty much disappeared as a problem. |
| [10:51:08] | Chicago: | Openoffice compiles in less than half an hour, when ccache is up. |
| [10:51:21] | justinh: | it would be nicer, with 4 cores :) |
| [10:51:59] | Chicago: | much nicer than the old p4 2.26ghz |
| [10:52:51] | justinh: | I first tried it on a 800Mhz athlon. I was patient back then too |
| [10:53:32] | Chicago: | Well, I love the fact its not Debian... I don't feel like I'm in 1997 anymore. |
| [10:54:36] | justinh: | it moved along a little too fast for my liking. I was caught out too many times when config stuff changed beyond all recognition... e.g. apache |
| [10:55:17] | justinh: | sometimes when you realise something isn't for you it's like BAM! |
| [10:56:06] | Chicago: | oh man. |
| [10:56:12] | Chicago: | I tried to stay on apache 1.33 for a long time. |
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| [10:56:26] | Chicago: | But then eventually that was not an option. It caused me a bit of time reconfiguring too... |
| [10:59:09] | Chicago: | justinh: FWIW, I've rarely had a problem ever at all waiting for a package to be available on Gentoo. |
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| [11:01:07] | gbee: | just waiting for it to compile |
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| [11:56:37] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [11:56:41] | mattwj2002: | I could use some help |
| [11:56:42] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [11:57:14] | mattwj2002: | I recorded a show but it is not showing up in "Watch Recordings" |
| [11:57:26] | mattwj2002: | it is only showing Live Recording |
| [11:57:53] | daddymonster: | Did you record it via a scheduled recording or did you hit record while watching it? |
| [11:57:57] | mattwj2002: | do I have to shut off some kind of filter and if so how do I do that? |
| [11:58:06] | justinh: | press M in 'watch recordings' |
| [11:58:28] | mattwj2002: | that did it |
| [11:58:29] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [11:59:07] | ** mattwj2002 buys justinh a beer ** | |
| [12:00:36] | Zanthus: | hey, just a quick question — a fast AMD athlon x2 would be better than a slow Intel core 2 duo for a mythtv box, wouldn't it? |
| [12:01:12] | directhex: | how fast/slow are we talking? |
| [12:01:43] | Zanthus: | Intel E2200 compared to an Athlon x2 6000+ |
| [12:03:01] | Zanthus: | the athlon is about 1GHz faster |
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| [12:03:18] | mattwj2002: | I would say go with AMD |
| [12:03:34] | mattwj2002: | I don't have a test to back that up though |
| [12:03:49] | Zanthus: | cool, just wanted to make sure that there was nothing weird with mythtv and AMD CPUs |
| [12:03:51] | justinh: | I would say YMMV |
| [12:04:58] | mattwj2002: | I have a AMD quad processor running mythtv |
| [12:05:01] | mattwj2002: | it works fine |
| [12:05:12] | Zanthus: | cool |
| [12:05:15] | Zanthus: | thanks :) |
| [12:05:17] | mattwj2002: | blue ray has a bit to be desired |
| [12:05:18] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [12:05:22] | mattwj2002: | your welcome |
| [12:05:32] | mattwj2002: | *bluray |
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| [12:40:34] | justinh: | hmm. wonder if there's any truth in this nvidia ion mac mini rumour |
| [12:42:13] | directhex: | it would be odd for the mini cpu to get gimped |
| [12:42:45] | justinh: | true |
| [12:43:50] | justinh: | still though.. /mutter something about nice cool quiet & efficient frontend |
| [12:44:29] | ** directhex installs beta drivers on justinh ** | |
| [12:44:39] | justinh: | then again, it all kind of hangs on whether or not VDPAU turns out to be less of a lemon than xvmc is |
| [12:44:51] | directhex: | viddy POW! |
| [12:45:02] | justinh: | early days, easrly days |
| [12:45:05] | mattwj2002: | man I could use a nice graphics card for my system |
| [12:46:07] | justinh: | anybody know if it's possible/easy/trivial to transcode single sliced h.264 to multislices? |
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| [12:50:57] | mchou: | mattwj2002: which quad proc do you have? |
| [12:52:03] | gbee: | should be possible, something like ffmpeg might even make it reasonably easy |
| [12:52:22] | gbee: | if you call command line switches easy |
| [12:52:47] | mattwj2002: | AMD Phenom 9600 Agent 2.3 Ghz Socket AM2+ |
| [12:53:11] | mattwj2002: | *Agena |
| [12:53:22] | mchou: | mattwj2002: you know offhand the TDP on that proc? 135W? |
| [12:53:29] | mattwj2002: | 95 W |
| [12:53:49] | justinh: | gbee: from what I've been able to pick up so far it'll just encode it in slices... but can't find any evidence of switches to affect it yet |
| [12:54:09] | mattwj2002: | Here is my chip |
| [12:54:10] | mattwj2002: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . ena%202.3GHz |
| [12:54:16] | mchou: | mattwj2002: what's the highest rez/demading material you decode? |
| [12:54:25] | mattwj2002: | 1080i |
| [12:54:38] | mchou: | you deinterlace? |
| [12:54:46] | mattwj2002: | ummm |
| [12:54:46] | mchou: | mattwj2002: ^^^ |
| [12:55:00] | mattwj2002: | I am not sure...I would have to check my settings |
| [12:55:02] | mchou: | what display do you use |
| [12:55:09] | mattwj2002: | my TV |
| [12:55:22] | mattwj2002: | or a frontend on another computer |
| [12:55:23] | mchou: | what kind of TV is it |
| [12:55:57] | mchou: | SD, HD? |
| [12:56:00] | mattwj2002: | just a RCA SDTV ... I have a VGA to RCA converter box |
| [12:56:03] | mattwj2002: | SD |
| [12:56:16] | mchou: | ok. so you dont deinterlace |
| [12:56:35] | mattwj2002: | I am not sure if the box is processing deinterlace or not |
| [12:56:42] | mattwj2002: | I would have to check |
| [12:56:47] | justinh: | ouch. my backend (2000XP with nvidia 5200) is using less CPU than my frontend (c2d mobile T5600, 1.66Ghz, Intel video) to play the same clip. wonder what the difference is |
| [12:56:54] | mchou: | deinterlace is not necessary for SD display |
| [12:57:05] | mattwj2002: | okay |
| [12:57:17] | mattwj2002: | I do use my laptop as a frontend too |
| [12:57:39] | justinh: | mattwj2002: it's probably doing some kind of line averaging stuff but nothing fancy |
| [12:57:52] | mattwj2002: | yup |
| [12:58:04] | mattwj2002: | the reason I want a graphics card.... |
| [12:58:05] | mchou: | mattwj2002: the local stoe was selling an AMD LE-1640 (2.6Ghz) + mobo combo for US$50 |
| [12:58:11] | mchou: | store* |
| [12:58:13] | justinh: | try cranking up its flicker filter if it has one |
| [12:58:24] | mchou: | mattwj2002: that was a great deal |
| [12:58:42] | justinh: | it'll soften the picture a bit of course but hardware deinterlacing, even when it's cheating can be better than software doing it |
| [12:58:45] | mattwj2002: | is because I would prefer to hook up my mythtv box using component instead of composite |
| [12:58:50] | mchou: | LE-1640 has TDP of 45W |
| [12:58:56] | mattwj2002: | nice mchou |
| [12:58:56] | mattwj2002: | :D |
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| [12:59:33] | mchou: | mobo even had nvidia 6x000 display chip |
| [12:59:44] | mattwj2002: | sweet deal mchou |
| [12:59:47] | mattwj2002: | did you buy one? |
| [13:00:00] | mchou: | I think b4 Ion is out that's actually the ultimate frontend |
| [13:00:18] | mchou: | yup. I bought it |
| [13:00:34] | mattwj2002: | how is it working? |
| [13:00:36] | mchou: | no way I was passing that up |
| [13:00:44] | mchou: | It's working great |
| [13:01:18] | mattwj2002: | nice |
| [13:01:22] | mchou: | not that I need to overclock it or anything, but ppl have OC'd to 3.2Ghz on air |
| [13:01:38] | mchou: | that's just incredible |
| [13:01:50] | mattwj2002: | o_O |
| [13:01:52] | mattwj2002: | on air? |
| [13:01:54] | mattwj2002: | :O |
| [13:01:57] | mchou: | yup |
| [13:02:10] | mattwj2002: | that is incredible |
| [13:02:59] | justinh: | why are there no nice deals like that over here, like ever? |
| [13:03:09] | justinh: | sickening |
| [13:03:10] | mchou: | right after I bought it the price went up by $20 |
| [13:03:24] | mattwj2002: | even $70 is pretty good |
| [13:03:35] | mchou: | I've never seen that happen with computer stuff :) |
| [13:03:40] | justinh: | even with the exchange rate the way it is, and shipping charges.. it's prolly worth buying direct from the US |
| [13:03:49] | mchou: | usually prices go down |
| [13:04:25] | mchou: | I walk out with that combo and 4GB of DDR2 for less than $80 |
| [13:04:48] | mchou: | that was legalized robbery :) |
| [13:04:55] | mattwj2002: | lol |
| [13:05:00] | mattwj2002: | what are you using for storage? |
| [13:05:34] | mchou: | various old pata drives (500GBx2) |
| [13:05:42] | mattwj2002: | ah |
| [13:05:50] | mattwj2002: | that is pretty good |
| [13:06:02] | mchou: | old 350W PSU |
| [13:06:08] | mchou: | old $20 case |
| [13:06:38] | mchou: | 350 PSU is ATX 1.0 (20 pin) |
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| [13:08:11] | mchou: | anyway, point of story is single core is not dead :) |
| [13:08:29] | justinh: | CPU here at my local shed is a tad under £30.. cheapest board with integrated nvidia is the same price.. so roughly on a par, assuming $1 = £1 like PC gear always seems to equate |
| [13:08:41] | mchou: | in some ways more desirable than muti-core since it;s easieer to overclock |
| [13:08:47] | justinh: | not the shock I thought it was |
| [13:09:11] | mchou: | oh yeah, get this |
| [13:09:38] | mchou: | the processor was a boxed CPU (retail). on the invoice: $18.18 |
| [13:09:55] | mchou: | a fan would have cost more :) |
| [13:10:14] | mchou: | a fan alone, that is |
| [13:10:46] | mchou: | like I said, legalized robbery |
| [13:11:15] | mattwj2002: | my local computer store has a AMD Sempron for $29.99 |
| [13:11:28] | mattwj2002: | I wonder how cheap a motherboard would be |
| [13:11:31] | mchou: | what speed? |
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| [13:12:40] | mattwj2002: | 2.2 Ghz |
| [13:12:45] | mchou: | bah |
| [13:12:53] | mchou: | that's bortherline |
| [13:13:00] | mchou: | borderline* |
| [13:13:13] | mchou: | cutting things a bit close |
| [13:13:27] | mattwj2002: | it is still crazy how cheap you can build a basic computer |
| [13:13:28] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [13:13:58] | mattwj2002: | brb |
| [13:14:02] | mchou: | on the same week they had c2d e7300 + mobo for $109 |
| [13:14:23] | mchou: | but the AMD was a way better deal |
| [13:16:44] | gbee: | should be able to do better than that, my Athlon x2 2.5Ghx cost £37 two months ago |
| [13:18:09] | gbee: | weird, ebuyer are no longer stocking AM2s |
| [13:18:20] | stuarta: | :( |
| [13:18:30] | mchou: | gbee: they are clearing them out for AM3 |
| [13:18:44] | mchou: | happening everywhere |
| [13:19:00] | mchou: | that's why good deals are to be had now |
| [13:19:32] | justinh: | AM2 2.6Ghz at scan is £50 :( |
| [13:19:43] | gbee: | 940s, 939s |
| [13:20:05] | mchou: | 939?? |
| [13:20:11] | stuarta: | my dev box is 939 |
| [13:20:28] | mchou: | that's ancient history by now |
| [13:20:46] | gbee: | well I lie, they have a few AM2 Phenoms but no dual core EEs or Athlons |
| [13:20:51] | stuarta: | yup |
| [13:21:58] | mchou: | wonder what the ions would go for |
| [13:22:19] | mchou: | heard rumors they are targeting $500 |
| [13:22:27] | mchou: | I couldnt believe that |
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| [13:23:53] | mchou: | $500 is price gouging |
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| [14:01:23] | AlmightyOatmeal: | doesn't seem like mythtv likes freebsd much :'( |
| [14:02:31] | directhex: | the backend, no shocks there |
| [14:02:44] | AlmightyOatmeal: | blah |
| [14:02:58] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i have to use linux then do i? |
| [14:03:00] | justinh: | last I heard, linux != freebsd, and mythtv is a linux-based app |
| [14:03:22] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i was under the impression it wasn't linux specific but i guess i'm mistaken |
| [14:03:35] | justinh: | it can be, and has been ported in the past.. but... |
| [14:03:58] | justinh: | if you _can_ use linux, do.. it's gonna save you a lot of hassle |
| [14:04:22] | AlmightyOatmeal: | its been broken in (freebsd) ports for some time i'm told.. was trying to do it by hand from the source tarball, but... running linux may be the better alternative |
| [14:04:43] | justinh: | source tarball? ouch |
| [14:04:57] | justinh: | grab 0.21-fixes from SVN instead.. see svn.mythtv.org |
| [14:05:40] | directhex: | if anything works, it'll not be any of the pci tuner options |
| [14:05:47] | directhex: | for which myth is pretty tied to V4L |
| [14:05:50] | AlmightyOatmeal: | once i get linux running i'll probably upgrade |
| [14:06:03] | directhex: | it might work for network recorders |
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| [14:06:23] | justinh: | other than freedom of choice I see no reason to opt for freebsd over linux. why make life hard for yourself? |
| [14:07:07] | justinh: | certainly no valid reason for using it at home IMHO |
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| [14:07:31] | laga: | it's a real unix? |
| [14:07:39] | laga: | it's probably got a more sane development model? |
| [14:07:45] | laga: | i suppose i'm about to be flamed.. |
| [14:09:36] | gbee: | just because linux isn't pure unix doesn't make it any less of an operating system |
| [14:09:42] | AlmightyOatmeal: | my choice in using freebsd at home is my choice, don't ask and don't knock it either |
| [14:09:44] | laga: | yes |
| [14:10:01] | laga: | just because justinh doesn't use it it doesn't mean people can't use it at home :) |
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| [14:10:39] | justinh: | just don't see the point, personally.. which is why I said IMHO.. not stating it as FACT |
| [14:11:14] | justinh: | like I said, why make bother for yourself? getting mythtv to work is enough of a struggle for a lot of people without making it harder :) |
| [14:11:41] | gbee: | point is that devs only use linux or OSX, as a results the windows/unix portability breaks from time to time |
| [14:11:42] | AlmightyOatmeal: | again i'll say that i will install linux just to use one single application |
| [14:11:42] | laga: | i don't like what lots of linux distros are doing, so i've always wanted to try BSD |
| [14:12:16] | gbee: | says a packager for ubuntu |
| [14:12:28] | laga: | gbee: yes. |
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| [14:12:47] | laga: | gbee: i still believe it is the superior desktop OS for those out there |
| [14:13:01] | laga: | gbee: it's not the best choice for me, it's merely the choice which annoys me the least |
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| [14:13:49] | gbee: | I'm not read up on the whole unix vs linux thing so I'm not going to get into the argument |
| [14:13:51] | AlmightyOatmeal: | if i had to use linux i would use gentoo, but alas i'm probaly going to download mythdora just to get it working with the least amount of effort |
| [14:13:55] | laga: | gbee: neither am i |
| [14:14:05] | laga: | just being bored, actually |
| [14:14:14] | justinh: | devils advocate :) |
| [14:14:26] | laga: | justinh: always. |
| [14:14:41] | justinh: | you'll get shot for not being uber-pro ubuntu though :P |
| [14:14:51] | laga: | might have called me a troll as well :) |
| [14:14:57] | gbee: | I like linux, it does everything I want, it has significantly more traction (which means better driver support, faster development etc) and that's all that really matters |
| [14:15:12] | laga: | gbee: let's say i hate regressions. ;) |
| [14:15:18] | directhex: | gbee, sadly true. i remember when BeOS was my os of choice......... but support matters |
| [14:15:33] | AlmightyOatmeal: | BeOS o:) |
| [14:15:49] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i still have a be box around the flat somewhere |
| [14:16:26] | gbee: | laga: regressions are a fact of life if you want to make reasonable progress IMHO |
| [14:16:47] | laga: | gbee: true. |
| [14:17:14] | Dibblah: | If I had to use Gentoo again, I'd go Win7 ;) |
| [14:17:25] | AlmightyOatmeal: | ouch |
| [14:17:51] | gbee: | no-one likes them, but it's the cost of rapid development and though keeping something super stable and regression free is admirable, it's possible to take it too far leading to stagnation |
| [14:18:10] | laga: | gbee: say hi to debian. ;) |
| [14:18:29] | gbee: | :) |
| [14:18:37] | justinh: | just kickban me. I regret ever opening my fscking mouth now |
| [14:18:54] | laga: | rotfl |
| [14:19:59] | gbee: | this is my self-imposed day away from MythTV ... doing well so far |
| [14:20:33] | laga: | gbee: this is #mythtv-users |
| [14:20:50] | gbee: | like I said, doing well ;) |
| [14:21:12] | laga: | haha |
| [14:21:20] | laga: | enough work for today.. |
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| [14:24:00] | justinh: | is it hometime yet? |
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| [14:24:11] | justinh: | it's fair been dragging today |
| [14:24:22] | BenB: | hey justinh |
| [14:27:59] | justinh: | hey hey |
| [14:28:02] | shadash: | Has anybody here ever almost been fired for something they coded at work that actually made things better? |
| [14:28:59] | ** mattwj2002 isn't a programmer ** | |
| [14:29:07] | mattwj2002: | did that happen to you shadash? |
| [14:29:26] | shadash: | It's happend to me a couple of times when I wrote something managment wasn't ready for yet |
| [14:29:46] | mattwj2002: | what did you write? |
| [14:29:47] | mattwj2002: | :S |
| [14:30:03] | gbee: | shadash: depends who it made thinks better for? The customers, the employees? Did you fix the rounding calculation that was siphoning money into your bosses account? |
| [14:30:13] | shadash: | ;-) |
| [14:30:25] | mattwj2002: | Office Space "improvement"? |
| [14:30:26] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [14:30:34] | shadash: | No I just wrote an alternative way of doing something |
| [14:31:04] | shadash: | but that alternative (although better) would have eliminated some layers of managment |
| [14:31:12] | mattwj2002: | :O |
| [14:31:17] | mattwj2002: | why is that? |
| [14:31:27] | justinh: | not the case here, but conversely nobody's ever been fired for making products worse than they used to be :P |
| [14:31:35] | shadash: | managers need something to manage or they're out of a job |
| [14:32:09] | justinh: | managers here _cope_ not manage :) |
| [14:32:19] | mattwj2002: | hehe |
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| [14:33:13] | shadash: | so now 3 years after I originally submitted my solution. (managment was reorginized) and now they what to use what I wrote |
| [14:33:26] | shadash: | sigh... |
| [14:33:35] | justinh: | and suddenly it's not your idea? |
| [14:33:44] | shadash: | haha |
| [14:33:49] | shadash: | yea pretty much |
| [14:33:59] | mattwj2002: | yeah office politics suck |
| [14:34:15] | shadash: | No biggie though the important people know what happened |
| [14:34:17] | mattwj2002: | I think it is worse in big companies compared to small |
| [14:35:00] | shadash: | It's annoying then people in dev ask me to explain what I wrote so they can recode it |
| [14:35:11] | AlmightyOatmeal: | hah |
| [14:35:15] | AlmightyOatmeal: | that sucks |
| [14:35:32] | justinh: | welcome to the world of 'real work' folks |
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| [14:35:40] | shadash: | ;-) But at least I still get a paycheck |
| [14:35:58] | mattwj2002: | paychecks are good |
| [14:35:59] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [14:36:04] | AlmightyOatmeal: | microshaft canned my butt in november... no more paychecks for me :( |
| [14:36:11] | AlmightyOatmeal: | all the overtime i could handle too :'( |
| [14:36:16] | gbee: | at the end of the day that's why we do it, isn't it? |
| [14:36:20] | shadash: | in the end they're using the technique I suggested. Which was the over all goal |
| [14:36:34] | mattwj2002: | I got laid off last year too AlmightyOatmeal |
| [14:36:43] | AlmightyOatmeal: | that sucks |
| [14:36:44] | mattwj2002: | I was working for a Fortune 500 company too |
| [14:37:02] | AlmightyOatmeal: | but at least i get a handsome unemployment check each week |
| [14:37:03] | mattwj2002: | in someways I am happier working for a smaller company |
| [14:37:07] | mattwj2002: | nice |
| [14:37:32] | mattwj2002: | how long have you been looking for a new job? |
| [14:37:48] | AlmightyOatmeal: | too long.. the market here in the madison (wi) area is saturated.. |
| [14:37:55] | shadash: | I work at 2 companies (learned that trick in the dot-com days) one is big and one is small |
| [14:37:57] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i'm either over qualified or under qualified |
| [14:38:18] | shadash: | small you get more freedom and less structure |
| [14:38:39] | mattwj2002: | AlmightyOatmeal |
| [14:38:39] | shadash: | large to get more structure and can focus on a specific task |
| [14:38:46] | AlmightyOatmeal: | the one company that i want to work for the owner wants me to take over and run for him, but that would require me to move about 2 hours away from here |
| [14:38:53] | mattwj2002: | I am in your neighborhood |
| [14:39:07] | mattwj2002: | Minneapolis |
| [14:39:13] | ** AlmightyOatmeal scoots away from mattwj2002 ** | |
| [14:39:18] | shadash: | -20 yeasterday |
| [14:39:30] | AlmightyOatmeal: | actually, if i move and take over the company, i will be 2 hours closer to mattwj2002 :P |
| [14:39:37] | ** AlmightyOatmeal winks ** | |
| [14:39:37] | shadash: | MN has more tech jobs than people think |
| [14:39:38] | mattwj2002: | :O |
| [14:39:43] | mattwj2002: | hehe |
| [14:39:45] | BenB: | sorry to bother, but somebody remind me again which way around to insert the CAM (AlphaCrypt) in the CI slot (SkyStar2+CI), and the smartcard in the CAM? |
| [14:39:49] | mattwj2002: | it is good hear! |
| [14:39:52] | mattwj2002: | *here |
| [14:39:53] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [14:40:19] | shadash: | MN = low taxes and quality employees |
| [14:40:25] | mattwj2002: | :O |
| [14:40:25] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i'm planning to move to La Crosse, its the central craphole of wisconsin (excluding the south side of milwaukee) |
| [14:40:30] | ** mattwj2002 cries ** | |
| [14:40:49] | AlmightyOatmeal: | MN = low taxes, quality employees, and the united states top state for the worst drivers in the country |
| [14:40:52] | mattwj2002: | well I grew up in Wisconsin |
| [14:41:02] | mattwj2002: | so I can't be too insulted |
| [14:41:12] | mattwj2002: | drivers is so true |
| [14:41:13] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [14:41:35] | AlmightyOatmeal: | well now, if we're telling life stories, i was born in russia and when i was adopted i've lived all over wisconsin, from s. milwaukee to hayward and every other play inbetween |
| [14:41:42] | AlmightyOatmeal: | my shoe size is also 13 |
| [14:42:03] | mattwj2002: | nice |
| [14:42:11] | AlmightyOatmeal: | if you say so :P |
| [14:42:17] | gbee: | get a room |
| [14:42:24] | AlmightyOatmeal: | we're in a room |
| [14:42:25] | mattwj2002: | LMAO |
| [14:42:57] | mattwj2002: | it is just funny meeting someone so close to your home |
| [14:43:14] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i met my wife on irc.. on undernet |
| [14:43:20] | mattwj2002: | nice |
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| [14:43:24] | mattwj2002: | nearby? |
| [14:43:28] | AlmightyOatmeal: | not really, she's a crazy bitch |
| [14:43:29] | AlmightyOatmeal: | yes |
| [14:43:31] | ** clever points them towards #hotel ** | |
| [14:43:31] | ** clever installs cameras in #hotel ** | |
| [14:43:39] | mattwj2002: | lol |
| [14:43:42] | BenB: | AlmightyOatmeal, mattwj2002: I suggest #mythtv-chat |
| [14:43:42] | ** AlmightyOatmeal eyeballs clever ** | |
| [14:43:50] | AlmightyOatmeal: | BenB: cheers |
| [14:43:54] | ** stuarta suggests the local pub ** | |
| [14:44:02] | AlmightyOatmeal: | even better! |
| [14:44:06] | stuarta: | is it beer o'clock yet? |
| [14:44:27] | BenB: | stuarta: no, it's 3:44 PM |
| [14:44:36] | clever: | ive run into somebody online that was only a 5min walk from my house |
| [14:44:47] | gbee: | pubs opened 3 hours ago, so why not? |
| [14:44:48] | mattwj2002: | nice |
| [14:45:26] | BenB: | sorry to bother, but somebody remind me again which way around to insert the CAM (AlphaCrypt) in the CI slot (SkyStar2+CI), and the smartcard in the CAM? |
| [14:45:32] | gbee: | didn't someone in here notice that their neighbours were using MythTV? |
| [14:45:50] | mattwj2002: | using wifi? |
| [14:46:04] | gbee: | that would be a little freaky to me, unless I recommended it |
| [14:46:12] | BenB: | I search myself crazy, but find no manuals. I get "pc card does not respond" on dmesg |
| [14:46:28] | mattwj2002: | is CAM legal? |
| [14:46:33] | BenB: | mattwj2002: yes |
| [14:46:45] | mattwj2002: | is that a European thing? |
| [14:46:47] | BenB: | mattwj2002: I pay for CAM and Paytv subscription |
| [14:47:06] | BenB: | mattwj2002: DVB is mostly used in europe, but US uses derivations. |
| [14:47:16] | stuarta: | us uses ATSC for digital |
| [14:47:27] | BenB: | stuarta: which is very similar to DVB, FWIW |
| [14:47:51] | stuarta: | yes, both have their base in mpeg, a lot of the tables are similar |
| [14:47:52] | mattwj2002: | right but as far as I know there are no way of getting digital pay services without hooking up to your cable box without just getting the unencrypted stuff |
| [14:47:53] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: My nieghbour accross the street uses it |
| [14:47:53] | BenB: | stuarta: and some sat and cable providers use proprietary DVB derivations |
| [14:47:55] | AlmightyOatmeal: | the ATSC tuner i have is not linux/unix compatable which makes me sad.. its a nice card.. it's a cats eye 150 |
| [14:47:59] | GreyFoxx: | I saw it through his window |
| [14:48:13] | stuarta: | BenB: you are talking to a dev who works on dvb :) |
| [14:48:13] | GreyFoxx: | they have a massive TV just 10 feet from their big street facing picture window |
| [14:48:19] | GreyFoxx: | and at night I can watch their TV ;) |
| [14:48:33] | mattwj2002: | hehe |
| [14:48:38] | BenB: | stuarta: ah, hey... you're talking to the dev who wrote the initial implementation of DVB in MythTV :) |
| [14:48:38] | GreyFoxx: | One night I was coming in and saw they were using myth :) |
| [14:48:48] | stuarta: | \o/ |
| [14:48:59] | clever: | GreyFoxx: hook up a 5 amp booster to your ir blaster, see if you can blast clear across the street:P |
| [14:49:06] | BenB: | stuarta: still, I can't get this smartcard sorted out :-( . CA is *horrible* |
| [14:49:16] | AlmightyOatmeal: | clever: 5 amp? you mean, 5 watt? |
| [14:49:30] | clever: | AlmightyOatmeal: whatever will work to get a stronger signal:P |
| [14:49:35] | ** stuarta is glad he only uses FTA channels ** | |
| [14:49:39] | AlmightyOatmeal: | if you put 5 amps through an ir blaster it will snap, crackle, and pops, but not in a good way |
| [14:49:47] | BenB: | stuarta: yeah |
| [14:49:53] | clever: | AlmightyOatmeal: depends on how many ir led's you use:P |
| [14:50:15] | clever: | spread 5 amps over 50 led's and it may turn into an IR spotlight |
| [14:50:16] | AlmightyOatmeal: | more IR leds won't make it more powerful, it will only spread the IR beam |
| [14:50:17] | mattwj2002: | stuarta I agree |
| [14:50:24] | AlmightyOatmeal: | watts damnit, watts :P |
| [14:50:26] | mattwj2002: | I love OTA HDTV signals |
| [14:50:36] | AlmightyOatmeal: | you want high wattage IR leds |
| [14:50:54] | clever: | AlmightyOatmeal: also, why do some remotes have a pair of ir led's? |
| [14:50:57] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: I saw him outside one day and mentioned it. he laughed and said it was something his kid hooked up for him and that he loved it. but he wished he could get his hd on it. I told him to tell the kid firewire for HD and a week later he was thanking me as he had his HD over it too :) |
| [14:51:00] | mattwj2002: | do they make IR bulbs? |
| [14:51:02] | mattwj2002: | grr |
| [14:51:07] | GreyFoxx: | I love running into people who use it heh |
| [14:51:08] | mattwj2002: | IR LED light bulbs? |
| [14:51:16] | AlmightyOatmeal: | clever: wider IR beam.. just get an RF based remote and save yourself the hassle |
| [14:51:21] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: heh |
| [14:51:31] | ** mattwj2002 googles it ** | |
| [14:51:32] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i had one from ATI, the Remote Wonder II, iirc |
| [14:51:44] | GreyFoxx: | the best part... he uses Gray-OSD ! hah |
| [14:51:48] | clever: | AlmightyOatmeal: yeah rf sounds nice |
| [14:51:56] | clever: | no need to point anymore |
| [14:51:59] | AlmightyOatmeal: | clever: much easier to amplify too ;) |
| [14:52:12] | clever: | something i did with the rf mouse i had before |
| [14:52:26] | clever: | i put a metal antena pad under on the desk in 1 room |
| [14:52:35] | clever: | then ran a 20foot wire from that, to the receiver box |
| [14:53:02] | clever: | it caught enough of the signal to reach the box and give it a major extension |
| [14:53:06] | mattwj2002: | I wonder if this would work for an IR blaster if you hooked it up |
| [14:53:07] | mattwj2002: | http://cgi.ebay.com/3W-Infrared-IR-LED-Bulb-f . . . 1|240%3A1318 |
| [14:53:11] | BenB: | GreyFoxx: yes, gray is nice |
| [14:53:14] | AlmightyOatmeal: | without a properly tuned antenna, i couldn't imagine that did a whole lot for you clever |
| [14:53:37] | clever: | AlmightyOatmeal: yeah, you had to keep the mouse within inches of the 'antena pad' |
| [14:53:48] | clever: | which was also my mouse pad, so it wasnt realy a problem:P |
| [14:54:02] | AlmightyOatmeal: | that solves alot of wireless mouse lag issues hehe |
| [14:54:23] | clever: | i was using that with the TV out on the win xp system ages ago |
| [14:54:32] | mattwj2002: | I wonder if 850nm is the right wavelength |
| [14:54:47] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i have a bluetooth keyboard and a rf mouse i'm going to use until i get a remote wonder again |
| [14:54:56] | clever: | AlmightyOatmeal: wasnt realy even a properly tuned antena of any kind, it was just a metal sheet |
| [14:55:07] | AlmightyOatmeal: | clever: thats the idea i gathered from what you said |
| [14:55:19] | clever: | :) |
| [14:55:27] | clever: | for bluetooth, id just use usb extensions |
| [14:55:34] | clever: | i can easily extend usb 10–20 feet |
| [14:55:43] | GreyFoxx: | Gray-OSD needs a little more bling. maybe one day I'll update it |
| [14:55:48] | clever: | stick a usb->bluetooth dongle at the end, and connect! |
| [14:55:53] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i'm not looking to use bluetooth more than across the living room clever |
| [14:56:01] | AlmightyOatmeal: | and its only a patch until i get the remote wonder |
| [14:56:10] | clever: | if you stuck the dongle on the back of the couch, it might get better reception |
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| [14:56:23] | clever: | wouldnt need one of the 100meter class products |
| [14:56:32] | ** AlmightyOatmeal sighs ** | |
| [14:56:54] | clever: | i havent gotten much range out of my bluetooth hardware |
| [14:56:58] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i dont need any more high powered 2.4ghz equipment |
| [14:57:05] | clever: | and recently, its refusing to even connect with linux |
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| [14:57:19] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: has you increased the resolution yet? |
| [14:58:20] | gbee: | "has you"? heh |
| [14:58:40] | GreyFoxx: | Nope. Mainly because with HD material, and now with the VDPAU renderer it looks good to me at the larger resolutions |
| [14:58:41] | AlmightyOatmeal: | having a stroke gbee? :P |
| [14:59:05] | GreyFoxx: | but I'm thinking I want to add more of a glossy rounded edges to parts of it |
| [14:59:08] | gbee: | I hope not ;) |
| [14:59:13] | AlmightyOatmeal: | hehe yeah |
| [14:59:37] | GreyFoxx: | Though I think that idea of using the covershot as the channel icon when watching videos could be interesting |
| [14:59:50] | GreyFoxx: | No idea if the patch for it in trac still works |
| [14:59:53] | justinh: | I can has inreased resolution? |
| [15:00:07] | GreyFoxx: | I can haz cheeseburger |
| [15:00:14] | GreyFoxx: | I love that site |
| [15:00:29] | justinh: | yup. cheered me up on many a gloomy day |
| [15:01:03] | justinh: | argghh why do people always pick leaving presentations for 3.30pm on a friday? |
| [15:01:03] | GreyFoxx: | I even found a printed book of material from that site when xmas shopping. Got it for my wife |
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| [15:11:58] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: which theme are your neighbours using? I can send tape a USB stick to a brick.. |
| [15:12:26] | justinh: | wtf is up with my mind today? it's that I can haz cheezburger stuff.. it's rotted my brain |
| [15:12:54] | justinh: | BenB: so how did you manage to escape? ;) |
| [15:12:57] | clever: | maybe im contagious |
| [15:13:53] | justinh: | I think I need to bring in the New Year precisely the way I didn't do it on New Year's eve.. i.e. get drunk & enjoy myself |
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| [15:14:14] | clever: | ive never been drunk in my life! |
| [15:14:22] | AlmightyOatmeal: | have you ever been laid? lol |
| [15:14:27] | GreyFoxx: | justinh: He had mythcenter on it I believe :) |
| [15:14:29] | ** stuarta beers justinh ** | |
| [15:14:31] | clever: | AlmightyOatmeal: havent had that either:P |
| [15:14:34] | justinh: | oh man, you have hangovers to look forward to :) |
| [15:14:38] | AlmightyOatmeal: | clever: are you 10? :P |
| [15:14:44] | clever: | 21 |
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| [15:14:54] | justinh: | cheers stuarta .. I'll drink it when I'm done driving home though :) |
| [15:14:59] | AlmightyOatmeal: | must.. resist.. jokes.. and.. hurtfull.. comments.. |
| [15:15:06] | ** stuarta beers self ** | |
| [15:15:07] | ** AlmightyOatmeal bursts into flames ** | |
| [15:15:17] | ** justinh stands back in amazement & JDs stuarta ** | |
| [15:15:26] | stuarta: | ahhh much better |
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| [15:15:39] | justinh: | why did I stand back in amazement? clever reported his age as an integer! |
| [15:15:42] | ** gbee warms himself in front of the fire ** | |
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| [15:15:54] | stuarta: | tho i've been on rum last 18mths or so |
| [15:16:02] | stuarta: | jd is just tooooo easy to drink |
| [15:16:09] | justinh: | I discovered port over xmas |
| [15:16:14] | stuarta: | mmmmm |
| [15:16:20] | justinh: | skanky stuff, but also way too drinkable |
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| [15:16:34] | ** justinh sends gbee the drinks of his choice ** | |
| [15:16:48] | stuarta: | a good old tawyn port, or late bottled is what you want |
| [15:16:54] | ** clever pours rum on AlmightyOatmeal to put the flames out ** | |
| [15:16:59] | stuarta: | s/tawyn/tawny/ |
| [15:17:01] | justinh: | can I afford that, stuarta ? |
| [15:17:03] | AlmightyOatmeal: | captain morgan i hope |
| [15:17:16] | ** AlmightyOatmeal <3 teh captain ** | |
| [15:17:18] | stuarta: | justinh: 7–8 quid a bottle |
| [15:17:20] | clever: | AlmightyOatmeal: dont you know that that stuff is flamable ?:P |
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| [15:17:38] | stuarta: | tho you can pay more the better it gets |
| [15:17:42] | justinh: | whoah. I've spent more than that on awful wine |
| [15:17:45] | BenB: | justinh: escape? |
| [15:17:52] | AlmightyOatmeal: | clever: not if i consume it before the flames do.. and if you pour enough fast enough it would douce the fire |
| [15:17:55] | gbee: | I had a university lecturer/tutor who always served port on the last meeting before Christmas .... |
| [15:17:58] | AlmightyOatmeal: | its not like you poured kerosene on me |
| [15:18:04] | clever: | lol |
| [15:18:10] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i think you need to go back to high school physics :) |
| [15:18:13] | justinh: | BenB: escape, yes. re the 'being the buy who did the original DVB incantation' ;) |
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| [15:18:25] | gbee: | dunno why I mentioned it, just always associate port with that guy |
| [15:18:34] | clever: | AlmightyOatmeal: if your entire body is on fire, then its hard to smother the flames with 1 bottle |
| [15:18:41] | BenB: | FWIW, I called the hotline: direction of CAM and smartcard was correct. Still, I get "pc card does not respond" in dmesg :-( |
| [15:18:49] | clever: | im bound to miss 1 part, which will ignite the entire thing |
| [15:19:13] | BenB: | justinh: well, I ran away :). several reasons. |
| [15:19:14] | AlmightyOatmeal: | clever: if you pour the bottle it will not start on fire, it needs to be in a vapor form before it would combust |
| [15:19:16] | justinh: | BenB: if I knew a thing about CA etc I'd lend a hand |
| [15:19:22] | AlmightyOatmeal: | clever: but seeing you're 21 i'm sure you know this already :) |
| [15:19:26] | gbee: | BenB do you have a STB you can test the card with? |
| [15:19:30] | BenB: | justinh: heh, thanks. |
| [15:19:36] | clever: | yeah, i know that stuff needs to be in a vapor to burn |
| [15:19:39] | AlmightyOatmeal: | its similar with gasoline.. it won't explode unless its vaporized |
| [15:19:46] | AlmightyOatmeal: | brb, mom is making french toast! WHEE! |
| [15:19:50] | ** clever gets the water spritzer! ** | |
| [15:19:58] | ** clever fills with rum ** | |
| [15:20:00] | BenB: | gbee: I have two stbs, but no TV to conenct them to :) (TV is in different room than sat cable) |
| [15:20:10] | stuarta: | i forsee a problem |
| [15:20:15] | BenB: | gbee: the STBs have no CI either, just a smartcard slot |
| [15:20:23] | justinh: | beh |
| [15:20:40] | justinh: | chickee & eggy scenario |
| [15:21:02] | justinh: | is the card in the slot the right way up? |
| [15:21:04] | ** justinh hides ** | |
| [15:21:08] | clever: | lol |
| [15:21:14] | clever: | which card, which slot! |
| [15:21:17] | ** stuarta scrambles justinh's egg ** | |
| [15:21:19] | BenB: | FWIW, I use the SkyStar HD (s2) with STB0899... I know this work(ed) – I used to be able to record paytv with this. |
| [15:21:39] | stuarta: | hang on! dvb-s2? |
| [15:22:14] | BenB: | justinh: the CAM is in the CI as fart as it goes (and I confirmed the direction with the hotline). the smartcard is fully in the CAM. |
| [15:22:27] | gbee: | AlmightyOatmeal: yup, every school kid nows that it needs to be vapourised and have sufficient oxygen to ignite ... but apparently not a couple of Doctors turned terrorists ... which is why all the hype about the dangers of terrorism by Muslim extremists in this country doesn't worry me, they are clearly idiots who couldn't arrange a piss-up in a brewery |
| [15:22:38] | BenB: | stuarta: yes, DVB-S2. and I know about it... I wrote a TV recording app for both multiproto and the new S2APi. |
| [15:22:45] | justinh: | mmmm breweries |
| [15:22:56] | stuarta: | so you've got the FTA dvb-s2 working already? |
| [15:23:00] | BenB: | stuarta: it tunes just fine on unencrypted channels. |
| [15:23:02] | BenB: | yes |
| [15:23:10] | jamesd: | thanks AlmightyOatmeal you gave me an idea on what to have for breakfast :-) |
| [15:23:31] | justinh: | well, nearly time for me to say Cheerios! :P |
| [15:23:45] | stuarta: | BenB: well you are now in a better position than any of use to work out wtf it's doing, so feel free to share what you find out |
| [15:23:53] | stuarta: | s/use/us |
| [15:23:56] | justinh: | no, I really need to be murdered for making that awful pun |
| [15:24:03] | ** BenB can't translate "Cheerios". cheers = goodbye? ** | |
| [15:24:11] | stuarta: | it's a cereal |
| [15:24:16] | justinh: | cheerio == goodbye |
| [15:24:25] | justinh: | cheerios == cereal brand |
| [15:24:39] | ** stuarta debates shooting justinh or forcefeeding him cheerios ** | |
| [15:24:46] | BenB: | stuarta: yeah... I just know *nothing* about CI/CA :( (and can't find any infos either) |
| [15:24:48] | AlmightyOatmeal: | gbee: :P |
| [15:24:52] | mattwj2002: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheerios |
| [15:24:57] | AlmightyOatmeal: | mmm, french toast ftw. |
| [15:24:59] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Catching up on scrollback-- I too have an afternoon meeting today-- Which fills me with despair given my usually going to work at 7:30 *specifically* so I can get out at 3:30 or so |
| [15:25:22] | stuarta: | BenB: the most i know about em is you feed it the crypted stream and it gives back the unecrypted stream |
| [15:25:37] | BenB: | stuarta: ok, I knew that much ;) |
| [15:25:40] | justinh: | I found out it's optional, and I never liked the guy.. so I'm just going home in 5 mins :) |
| [15:25:49] | BenB: | stuarta: trying to write an app which drives them is a major pain, though :( |
| [15:25:58] | BenB: | and using (as end user) them as well. |
| [15:26:08] | stuarta: | BenB: almost none of us actually have a CAM |
| [15:26:13] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, If awake, it looks like you found the info you needed re: aspect ratio markup? As I'm sure you've no doubt found, it should be as simple as snagging the stuff from #6032 and changing the mark types |
| [15:26:19] | BenB: | because they give you no error messages or anything. it just doesn't work, and you're in the dark – literally (blakc screen) |
| [15:26:27] | stuarta: | yeah |
| [15:26:27] | BenB: | stuarta: ah, ok. |
| [15:26:27] | justinh: | CAMs can limit multireccedness :) |
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| [15:26:57] | stuarta: | hence we have to rely on those who do for our knowledge |
| [15:27:13] | justinh: | iamlindoro: if you go far enough back you might catch my comment re sorting background images by filename. just a thought, but Anduin kinda poured water on that idea |
| [15:27:16] | BenB: | justinh: you mean I may not be able to record 2 channels from the same transponder at the same time, if they are encrypted? |
| [15:27:25] | justinh: | BenB: depends on the CAM |
| [15:27:29] | stuarta: | depends on the CAM through put |
| [15:27:44] | justinh: | some no like > 1, some no like >2 ... |
| [15:27:44] | BenB: | any idea about alphacrypt? |
| [15:27:54] | stuarta: | nope |
| [15:28:29] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Looks like it's off the end of my scrollback, I'll check the log when I get to work |
| [15:28:35] | justinh: | anyway BenB – you win the award for trying to receive pay tv the correct way :) |
| [15:28:38] | BenB: | ok... no problem anyways... Premiere (my Pay-TV provider) repeats the stuff so awfully often (like 2 times a day for 4 week) that there's no need :) |
| [15:29:07] | BenB: | justinh: correct = legal? heh, yes. thanks :) |
| [15:29:09] | justinh: | iamlindoro: just randomly wondered if you'd considered showing them in filename order as well as random order |
| [15:29:58] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Having the option would be fine, although maybe not one I would use for this specific application (can see the applications, though) |
| [15:30:26] | justinh: | Anduin said it'd be hard to keep them sequential, which I kind of understand |
| [15:30:38] | BenB: | BTW, totally different: does the newest mythtv give me an option to group all movies in one group, and the rest (series) per title? |
| [15:30:48] | BenB: | in the recordings screen |
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| [15:31:07] | justinh: | it does now.. 0.21-fixes can list by category or by group, or by title |
| [15:31:43] | BenB: | justinh: I use 0.21 from ubuntu, but it doesn't do it, as far as I could see: |
| [15:32:08] | gbee: | Menu > Change (group) View |
| [15:32:12] | BenB: | I need movies by category (i.e. all in one group), and series by title. |
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| [15:32:17] | justinh: | press M while in 'watch recordings' & play with options :) |
| [15:32:30] | BenB: | yes, I didn |
| [15:32:36] | BenB: | t find a way to achieve that. |
| [15:32:43] | stuarta: | i see what you mean, and i don't think you can mix both title sort & group sort |
| [15:32:49] | stuarta: | at the same time |
| [15:32:58] | justinh: | custom playback groups maybe? with regex? |
| [15:33:07] | gbee: | I can see what he might be saying, that it's not possible to only display the Film category and only the non-film titles |
| [15:33:08] | Anduin: | anduin |
| [15:33:18] | iamlindoro: | iamlindoro! |
| [15:33:23] | stuarta: | fish! |
| [15:33:23] | justinh: | and on that bombshell.. see ya laters |
| [15:33:24] | gbee: | justinh: custom recgroup could do it |
| [15:33:42] | justinh: | duh recgroup yesh. whoops. shee thish is cosh I'm not pished |
| [15:33:42] | gbee: | just set all film rules to use a Film/Movie recgroup |
| [15:33:55] | iamlindoro: | awww, I was going for a "Our powers combined... I... am Captain Plaaaneeeeet!" thing |
| [15:34:12] | BenB: | stuarta: ok.... it pains me a lot, because I have lots of series episodes and movies... if I sort by title, I can't find the series, because the movies spam the groups. if I sort by category, all series are in the same group, but I want them grouped per series. all episodes of a series form a group, and all movies form one group. |
| [15:34:27] | gbee: | specifically this menu – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_viewchange.png |
| [15:34:53] | stuarta: | i personally use recording groups. 'movies', 'sci/fi', 'sport' |
| [15:34:59] | stuarta: | and then filter by recgroup |
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| [15:36:15] | BenB: | it should be fairly easy to make a special group for movies, as mythtv already recognizes them. |
| [15:36:29] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Finally went and did those popups last night, ugh, *chore*! |
| [15:36:31] | stuarta: | you can filter by category too |
| [15:36:50] | BenB: | where I stand, group by title makes no sense for movies, so that special group could be active whenever sort by title is active. |
| [15:36:55] | BenB: | s/sort/group/ |
| [15:37:08] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Though it made me want to send you a beverage for inheritance |
| [15:39:25] | gbee: | all worth it in the end |
| [15:39:30] | BenB: | stuarta: let's say I group by category... yes, that works. but then I have all episodes of all series in the same group. I need one group per series, and one group for all movies. |
| [15:39:56] | stuarta: | thats where the recording groups make sense |
| [15:40:12] | gbee: | but otherwise, patches are welcome |
| [15:40:21] | stuarta: | you won't get quite to where you want, but it's close |
| [15:40:33] | gbee: | except not before 0.22, spent too damn long on theming that popup |
| [15:40:37] | gbee: | ;) |
| [15:40:54] | BenB: | gbee: heh |
| [15:41:40] | BenB: | yes, I guess recgroups (one per series, one for movies) would work, but it's kind of recundant. I think that's a common problem. thanks anyways. |
| [15:42:04] | BenB: | gbee: that theme looks nice |
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| [15:42:17] | BenB: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_viewchange.png |
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| [15:43:09] | gbee: | thanks |
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| [15:57:02] | gbee: | mythvideo needs the same "Play", "Play from ..." toggle that watch recordings has |
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| [16:06:05] | iamlindoro_: | Sheesh, you see one movie and stay at one hotel in Scotland and your e-mail box is never the same |
| [16:06:20] | iamlindoro_: | No, I'm not within 6,000 miles of an Odeon Cinema, LEAVE ME ALONE |
| [16:07:07] | BenB: | iamlindoro: unsubscribe or sue them... scotland is EU, and *you* own your data. |
| [16:07:38] | iamlindoro_: | I can't sue, I'd look ridiculous on one of those powdered wigs ;) |
| [16:07:41] | iamlindoro_: | in one |
| [16:07:57] | BenB: | iamlindoro: per law, they are only allowed to use the data for the purpose you gave it to them. even in the UK, which is hostile to data protection |
| [16:08:52] | BenB: | iamlindoro: tell them, "per EU law, I demand that you delete my data" or "that you 'correct' my email address to fred@hotmail.com " |
| [16:09:19] | BenB: | s/law/data protection law/ |
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| [16:10:04] | iamlindoro_: | Poor fred@hotmail.com |
| [16:10:15] | BenB: | yes. but he's poor anyways. |
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| [16:12:37] | dustybin: | ive setup courier-imap + got my cellphone to connect to port 143 for push IMAP email, my cellphone now has its own email address. If nagios reports a problem on my backend, it will email my cellphone :D |
| [16:13:11] | stuarta: | heh, i'm busy beating up our custom nagios scripts |
| [16:13:20] | gbee: | actually it's quite the reverse these days, data protection laws and enforcement is so fierce in that it makes life difficult because people are over zealous in their interpretation of the rules |
| [16:13:59] | dustybin: | *** CRITICAL Disk space low recordings *** |
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| [16:14:35] | jesse: | sphery: Imagine my surprise at finding you here. |
| [16:14:52] | iamlindoro_: | I trust that's facetiousness |
| [16:14:57] | iamlindoro_: | sphery is furniture here |
| [16:15:00] | jesse: | sphery: I've got a minor issue with my new mythtv box. (Remember the name-change issues the other day?) |
| [16:15:08] | ** stuarta just ordered a card so i can move 600Gb of disk space from the dev box to the prod box ** | |
| [16:15:13] | ** gbee stops sitting on sphery ** | |
| [16:15:28] | ** iamlindoro_ steam-cleans sphery ** | |
| [16:15:48] | gbee: | stuarta: card? Gig Ethernet? |
| [16:16:04] | stuarta: | nah, the prod backend is such an old box that it lacks sata |
| [16:16:11] | gbee: | ah |
| [16:16:12] | iamlindoro_: | One of those old school ISA ramdisks! |
| [16:16:19] | iamlindoro_: | Insert chips for desired capacity! |
| [16:16:36] | stuarta: | 20 quid for a 2 port sata card, or 20 quid premium for ide over sata for a new drive |
| [16:16:50] | stuarta: | card = budget solution |
| [16:16:56] | jesse: | Anyone know how to fix the following error message from mythrename.pl? |
| [16:16:58] | jesse: | This host not configured for myth. |
| [16:16:58] | jesse: | (No RecordFilePrefix defined for leibniz in the settings table.) |
| [16:17:00] | jesse: | |
| [16:17:27] | iamlindoro_: | sounds like you changed hostnames |
| [16:17:28] | gbee: | sata over IDE you mean? IDE over sata adapters cost a couple of quid |
| [16:17:34] | iamlindoro_: | but failed to change one in the DB |
| [16:17:40] | jesse: | iamlindoro_: Probably so. |
| [16:17:48] | gbee: | oh, right I mis-read that |
| [16:18:05] | stuarta: | gbee: no same capacity in ide is now 20 quid more than equiv sata |
| [16:18:16] | stuarta: | clearly ide is being phased out |
| [16:18:29] | jesse: | iamlindoro_: So how do I fix it? |
| [16:18:31] | iamlindoro_: | The only way to make the hostname change work is to dumb the DB, do a search and replace on the SQLdump, then reimport it |
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| [16:18:47] | gbee: | yeah I realised that's what you meant just a little too late, found exactly the same thing when sourcing a replacement drive for my laptop |
| [16:18:51] | stuarta: | iamlindoro_: don't be ridiculus |
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| [16:19:07] | iamlindoro_: | stuarta: hrmmm? |
| [16:19:12] | stuarta: | bit of sql fu and you can make the change in the DB direct |
| [16:19:21] | BenB: | iamlindoro: that's not true |
| [16:19:22] | jesse: | iamlindoro_: Er, that sounds like starting over. I don't want to do that. Surely, it's just a few changes in the settings table? |
| [16:19:23] | iamlindoro_: | by all means, fu away |
| [16:19:35] | jesse: | Yes, fu for me! |
| [16:20:03] | stuarta: | so what did you do/rename? |
| [16:20:26] | jesse: | sphery walked me through a renaming. |
| [16:20:30] | BenB: | jesse: mysql on commandline. in there: use mythtvconverg; select * from settings where data LIKE "%host%"; |
| [16:20:46] | iamlindoro_: | stuarta: But I will note that the Myth documentation specifically states to do it my way |
| [16:20:55] | stuarta: | okay |
| [16:21:04] | ** stuarta <- doesn't read documentation ** | |
| [16:21:05] | jesse: | BenB: I've done something similar. |
| [16:21:13] | BenB: | UPDATE settings SET value="newhostname" WHERE data="valueabove"; |
| [16:21:13] | gbee: | it should be a very simple, one line SQL command "UPDATE hostnames SET name=foo WHERE name=bar" ... but the database was badly designed and as a result the full hostname is used in several tables |
| [16:21:17] | jesse: | BenB: I did select * from settings where hostname='hume'; |
| [16:21:17] | jesse: | |
| [16:21:27] | BenB: | UPDATE settings SET host="newhostname" WHERE host="oldhostname"; |
| [16:21:27] | jesse: | BenB: But there are *lots* of settings. |
| [16:21:33] | stuarta: | do you now have an issue like it can't find your recordings? |
| [16:21:48] | jesse: | BenB: I'm afraid it's a little more complicated. Oldhostname still runs mythfrontend. |
| [16:21:54] | jesse: | stuarta: No. |
| [16:21:57] | iamlindoro_: | *cough* |
| [16:21:59] | iamlindoro_: | "NOTE: Changing the hostname using direct SQL update commands will break things. You MUST use this indirect method." |
| [16:22:15] | stuarta: | meh. |
| [16:22:15] | ** iamlindoro_ resumes being ridiculous ** | |
| [16:22:19] | jesse: | stuarta: The only sympton I've seen is that mythrename produces an error message. |
| [16:22:36] | BenB: | jesse: there are two things: 1) a lots of settings per hostname. the last UPDATE changes that. 2) 1 or 2 settings (per hostname) which tells the master server hostname. the first select/update changes that. |
| [16:23:03] | BenB: | iamlindoro. works for me. |
| [16:23:28] | BenB: | only thing that broke for me is the charset, because I also changed distros and just rsynced over the DB files. |
| [16:23:56] | jesse: | Remind me: how do I see the table definition in mysql? |
| [16:24:00] | iamlindoro_: | works for you *so far* |
| [16:24:01] | BenB: | i.e. umlauts look funny now, until I found where mythtv has the charset setting. |
| [16:24:07] | gbee: | SHOW CREATE TABLE name; |
| [16:24:21] | BenB: | jesse: describe tablename; |
| [16:24:28] | gbee: | what charset setting? |
| [16:25:07] | BenB: | gbee: that's the problem, yes. or do you ask what a charset is? |
| [16:25:44] | jesse: | Hmm... RecordFilePrefix is not an entry in my settings table. |
| [16:26:26] | jesse: | "select * from settings where value = 'RecordFilePrefix';" returned empty set. |
| [16:26:28] | gbee: | BenB: there isn't a charset setting, sounds like you're database is using the wrong charset instead |
| [16:27:00] | BenB: | gbee: yes. but it must be configurable. I vaguely remember somethign like that for mysql. |
| [16:27:21] | jesse: | So, at least it's clear why mythrename.pl is failing. |
| [16:27:21] | BenB: | jesse: select * from settings where value like "%server%"; |
| [16:28:02] | BenB: | BackendServerIP and MasterServerIP are the "value"s. |
| [16:28:03] | jesse: | I get a half dozen entries. |
| [16:28:05] | jesse: | Ah. |
| [16:28:19] | jesse: | The BackendServerIP has the wrong hostname. |
| [16:28:28] | BenB: | so: UPDATE settings SET host="newhostname" WHERE host="oldhostname"; |
| [16:28:29] | jesse: | BackendServerIP | 192.168.1.3 | hume |
| [16:28:35] | jesse: | Should be hume. |
| [16:28:41] | jesse: | Should be leibniz. |
| [16:28:57] | jesse: | And MasterServerIP has NULL hostname. |
| [16:29:08] | BenB: | jesse: that's fine |
| [16:29:29] | BenB: | jesse: hostname=null are global, all others are specific to the machine in the hostname field |
| [16:29:52] | jesse: | BenB: But I don't want to change *every* entry that refers to hume, do I? |
| [16:30:06] | jesse: | BenB: Just the BackendServer entries, surely? |
| [16:30:44] | BenB: | jesse: no idea what you try to do... if you want to replace hume with leibnitz, you do UPDATE settings SET host="leibnitz" WHERE host="hume"; and change MasterServerIP and BackendServerIP as appropriate. |
| [16:31:01] | BenB: | that's all. |
| [16:31:10] | jesse: | BenB: Hume is still a frontend machine. |
| [16:31:20] | BenB: | oh! that complicates matters. |
| [16:31:38] | jesse: | BenB: I'll just change the BackendServerIP settings. |
| [16:31:54] | jesse: | BenB: But, there's still the issue that there is no RecordFilePrefix setting at all. |
| [16:32:07] | jesse: | Seems to me that this won't fix mythrename.pl. |
| [16:32:12] | BenB: | jesse: then, I'd recommend to leave hume settings alone and set up the backend fresh using mythtv-setup on leibnitz. it will set all necessary settings for leibnitz, and create caputecards etc. |
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| [16:35:15] | BenB: | did I mention that I hate CAMs? |
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| [16:35:33] | gbee: | no, I don't think you did |
| [16:36:33] | laga: | i like mine |
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| [16:36:53] | BenB: | laga: I could leave mine alive – if it worked. |
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| [16:40:16] | jesse: | BenB: Can you remind me the proper syntax for an insert command? Seems to me that the easiest fix (for now) is to insert the missing record. I can see what data should be there by comparing it to an old mythbackend. |
| [16:41:03] | jesse: | BenB: I need to insert RecordFilePrefix, /storage/mythtv/, leibniz into settings. |
| [16:41:38] | BenB: | jesse: goodle mysql insert |
| [16:41:45] | BenB: | |
| [16:41:48] | jesse: | BenB: Ah, thanks, I got it. |
| [16:42:19] | stuarta: | i need beer |
| [16:42:31] | ** laga calls AA ** | |
| [16:42:39] | ** BenB hands stuarta a glass of water ** | |
| [16:42:51] | stuarta: | i don't like you lot |
| [16:42:58] | BenB: | hah |
| [16:43:09] | stuarta: | all a man wants is a nice cold beer and i get water and a visit from AA |
| [16:43:38] | ** iamlindoro_ beers stuarta ** | |
| [16:43:43] | ** iamlindoro_ hands stuarta the car keys ** | |
| [16:43:55] | ** stuarta drinks beer and chucks the keys back ** | |
| [16:44:18] | ** iamlindoro_ hands stuarta the key to the hooker n' blow cabinet ** | |
| [16:44:33] | BenB: | stuarta: that's not correct. a man wants a few other things, too. something female, a car etc.. |
| [16:44:47] | BenB: | stuarta: not to mention mythtv with a new selection of movies |
| [16:44:57] | stuarta: | true, however immediate requirement is beer |
| [16:45:00] | stuarta: | then later food |
| [16:45:05] | stuarta: | the wifey comes home |
| [16:45:07] | stuarta: | then |
| [16:45:24] | BenB: | stuarta: usually, the order is the other way around: first wife, then food *me runs* |
| [16:45:45] | stuarta: | meh, she's out for the evening = mythtime for me |
| [16:45:57] | jesse: | Ah, that worked. |
| [16:46:00] | BenB: | good for us and DVB in mythtv :) |
| [16:46:01] | jesse: | At least for now. |
| [16:46:11] | BenB: | stuarta: I think I can give you a beer for that, too :) |
| [16:46:22] | BenB: | stuarta: I'll just have a few logistic problems. |
| [16:46:26] | jesse: | We'll see if there's anything else funky with the database as it rears its ugly head. |
| [16:46:44] | jesse: | Thanks, guys! |
| [16:46:55] | BenB: | jesse: document how you did it. |
| [16:47:01] | BenB: | jesse: welcome :) |
| [16:47:22] | jesse: | Well, the hostname change I did a couple of days ago, following sphery's patient advice. |
| [16:47:40] | jesse: | All I did today is insert the missing RecordFilePrefix command. |
| [16:47:58] | jesse: | insert into settings (value, data, hostname) values ('RecordFilePrefix', '/storage/mythtv', 'leibniz'); |
| [16:48:31] | BenB: | jesse: if you ran mythtv-setup, it would have done that and many other important things for you |
| [16:48:47] | jesse: | BenB: I'm sure, but I didn't want to lose the data I have. |
| [16:48:59] | BenB: | jesse: if you didn't run it on leibnitz yet, do so. it may be the reason for the "ugly head" problems you mentioned. |
| [16:49:09] | jesse: | BenB: I *did* run mythtv-setup and looked at the storage, but it looked fine. |
| [16:49:37] | BenB: | ok |
| [16:49:40] | jesse: | BenB: Oh, I *have* run mythtv-setup on leibniz two days ago also. Sorry for the confusion. |
| [16:50:20] | BenB: | one of these days, I'm going to kill a linux-dvb developer and a Tv card vendor. |
| [16:50:27] | jesse: | Well, now that that's working, it's back to housework. |
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| [16:50:40] | BenB: | jesse: yeah, I should do that, too. |
| [16:50:52] | jesse: | Chores day stinks. |
| [16:50:52] | BenB: | 3 hours wasted on that stupid CI/CAM stuff. |
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| [16:51:06] | jesse: | See ya'll. |
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| [16:51:49] | clever: | BenB: forgot to do 'modprobe dvb bypass_encryption=1' ? |
| [16:52:41] | BenB: | clever: hm? |
| [16:52:45] | laga: | !stab clever |
| [16:52:55] | clever: | !bleed_all_over laga |
| [16:52:56] | BenB: | ah, he's just joking. |
| [16:53:22] | BenB: | !films this for Scream 4 |
| [16:53:37] | stuarta: | !trout silliness |
| [16:53:37] | ** MythLogBot slaps silliness with a trout on behalf of stuarta... ** | |
| [16:55:52] | ** iamlindoro_ sighs ** | |
| [16:56:13] | BenB: | laga: do you know an app to debug this CI stuff? |
| [16:56:27] | BenB: | "gnutv -cammenu" just hangs without any output |
| [16:56:40] | laga: | that's what i was going to suggest |
| [16:56:47] | laga: | maybe enable debugging in the driver |
| [16:56:49] | laga: | when modprobing |
| [16:56:54] | BenB: | ok |
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| [17:03:34] | clever: | modinfo will come in handy |
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| [17:07:43] | BenB: | laga: it probably will tell you just as little as me, but if I do modprobe dvb-core cam_debug=1 debug=1 modprobe budget-core debug=1modprobe budget-ci, then gnutv -cammenu, I get on dmesg: |
| [17:08:09] | BenB: | an 16 18:06:00 ligura kernel: dvb_ca_en50221_init |
| [17:08:13] | BenB: | Jan 16 18:06:00 ligura kernel: budget_ci: CI interface initialised |
| [17:08:22] | stuarta: | BenB: pastebin it |
| [17:08:25] | BenB: | Jan 16 18:06:00 ligura kernel: dvb_ca_en50221_thread |
| [17:08:29] | BenB: | Jan 16 18:06:01 ligura kernel: stb0899_attach: Attaching STB0899 |
| [17:08:33] | BenB: | Jan 16 18:06:01 ligura kernel: stb6100_attach: Attaching STB6100 |
| [17:08:37] | BenB: | Jan 16 18:06:01 ligura kernel: DVB: registering adapter 1 frontend 0 (STB0899 Multistandard)... |
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| [17:08:41] | BenB: | Jan 16 18:06:15 ligura kernel: dvb_ca adaptor 1: PC card did not respond :( |
| [17:08:42] | BenB: | Jan 16 18:06:45 ligura kernel: dvb_ca_en50221_io_open |
| [17:08:42] | BenB: | Jan 16 18:06:45 ligura kernel: dvb_ca_en50221_thread_wakeup |
| [17:08:42] | BenB: | Jan 16 18:06:45 ligura kernel: dvb_ca_en50221_io_do_ioctl |
| [17:08:42] | BenB: | ops, sorry |
| [17:08:42] | BenB: | stuarta: yeah, sorry... |
| [17:08:43] | ** stuarta hits BenB ** | |
| [17:09:10] | laga: | dvb_ca adaptor 1: PC card did not respond :( |
| [17:09:12] | laga: | well |
| [17:09:12] | laga: | ;) |
| [17:09:17] | laga: | try a different cam? |
| [17:09:23] | laga: | make sure it's connected properly? |
| [17:09:38] | SirFunk: | hey, for some reason... on my mythweb it shows a bunch of things under recording schedules... but nothing under "upcoming recordings" and on the backend page it says "no shows scheudled for recording" |
| [17:09:47] | laga: | i don't know your card, but on mine i use a ribbon cable to connect CI and card. and that cable is a bit flakey |
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| [17:10:44] | Anduin: | SirFunk: crashed mysql tables and/or full disk are common causes |
| [17:10:47] | BenB: | http://pastebin.ca/1310177 |
| [17:11:28] | BenB: | laga: yes, same here... I checked the cable, but it seems to sit firmly. |
| [17:12:13] | BenB: | laga: I have no other CAM. |
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| [17:14:02] | BenB: | it once worked on this card, CI and CAM, but that's a year ago. |
| [17:14:19] | BenB: | (the smartcard is new) |
| [17:15:09] | BenB: | laga: do you think it could still be the cable, despite the "budget_ci: CI interface initialised" and it sitting firmly and showing no visible damages? |
| [17:15:14] | unstable: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . p;Tpk=DG45FC is that a good motherboard/graphics for a mythtv box? |
| [17:15:22] | unstable: | the onboard graphics, for hdmi out |
| [17:16:33] | stuarta: | BenB: i've heard that certain smartcards need certain CAM etc to work |
| [17:16:42] | stuarta: | which can be a royal pita |
| [17:16:50] | BenB: | stuarta: I know... this combination should be OK. |
| [17:17:06] | stuarta: | okay that's me outta ideas |
| [17:17:27] | BenB: | that's why pointed error messages are important: is it CI, CAM or smartcard? |
| [17:17:45] | BenB: | the msgs point to the CAM, given "CI inited". |
| [17:17:46] | SirFunk: | Anduin: probably mysql.. i reformatted the / partition and re-installed.. i backed up mysql first and restored it... but it's still funky how can i fix it? |
| [17:17:46] | stuarta: | well the dmesg seems to indicate it can't communicate with the CAM |
| [17:18:18] | BenB: | stuarta: yes. but it's the same CAM as before, and it worked before in this CI. |
| [17:18:31] | Anduin: | SirFunk: restore should eliminate the crashed table possibility, but mysqlcheck |
| [17:18:34] | BenB: | well, maybe I just buy a new one. cheaper than trying another 5 hours. |
| [17:18:41] | stuarta: | BenB: maybe something in the kernel has changed to |
| [17:19:28] | BenB: | stuarta: yes, it did. |
| [17:21:20] | jpabq: | iamlindoro: intel released a new video driver yesterday. I don't know if it fixes the tearing issue or not. |
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| [17:23:31] | iamlindoro_: | jpabq: Heh, my Dell is sitting on the kitchen counter, ostensibly waiting to be made a countertop PC |
| [17:23:55] | BenB: | unstable: I don't know whether "Intel GMA X4500HD" is a well-supported graphics chip, with which features. it also depends on your requirements. given HDMI, I assume you want HD... With Core2 Duo, it should be powerful enough to not need gfx card support for decoding and deinterlacing etc., but an efficient video output is important. I have no idea about intel gfx there. |
| [17:24:56] | BenB: | unstable: FWIW, I use nvidia onboard graphics with the (unfortunately propietary) nvidia driver and an athlon x2, and it works mostly ok. |
| [17:25:16] | BenB: | (it = HD with x264 and mpeg2) |
| [17:25:39] | BenB: | unstable: note that HDMI output is not important. you can just use DVI and a DVI->HDMI cable. I do that. |
| [17:26:42] | iamlindoro_: | unless you wish to pass audio on the same cable |
| [17:26:47] | iamlindoro_: | and x264 is still not a codec |
| [17:27:03] | iamlindoro_: | Intel GPUs are fine for myth, work well |
| [17:27:51] | BenB: | iamlindoro: why would you do that? who is insane enough to use the TV's loudspeakers? to be able to switch inputs using yout receiver? mythtv for everything! :) besides, there are dvi + audio-> hdmi converters, too. |
| [17:27:52] | wagnerrp: | although you would want to pick up something with an X4500 (for the chance possibility of future decode offload) |
| [17:28:19] | iamlindoro_: | BenB: Because many people don't output from the system straight to a television? |
| [17:28:38] | wagnerrp: | Benb: you really dont want to buy one of those dvi+audio converters |
| [17:28:50] | BenB: | FWIW, I think it would be good to prominently post "recommended"/"good" example configurations for mytthv boxen, inclusive TV cards known to work well. |
| [17:28:56] | wagnerrp: | theyre over $200, and you may as well just run straight analog at that point |
| [17:29:40] | BenB: | wagnerrp: I see... for me, it's mythtv/PC only, the TV shows nothing else, so no problem. |
| [17:30:03] | wagnerrp: | at the moment, i wouldnt buy anything but an onboard nvidia 8-series or better |
| [17:30:28] | wagnerrp: | nvidia, intel, and ati all have video decode offloading in the works |
| [17:30:42] | wagnerrp: | but nvidia is currently the only one with anything release |
| [17:30:52] | RyeBrye: | wagnerrp: did you get your hdhr discovery issues worked out? I'm having some issues now where none of the machines on my LAN can "discover" the hdhr – but I can talk to it fine by IP address (i.e. hdhr_config discover 10.14.80.117 = hdhomerun device found... but 'hdhr_config discover' = 'no devices found') |
| [17:30:59] | wagnerrp: | as unstable as it may be, its the only one thats not vaporware |
| [17:31:16] | wagnerrp: | RyeBrye: yeah, turns out it was my fault |
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| [17:31:37] | wagnerrp: | the boot script i had setting up iscsi and network wasnt working properly |
| [17:31:49] | wagnerrp: | it was sticking me on a /8, rather than the proper /22 |
| [17:32:01] | wagnerrp: | broadcast address was wrong, which prevented auto-detection from working |
| [17:32:21] | wagnerrp: | now why i could not access it by specifying the IP directly, i dont know |
| [17:32:31] | wagnerrp: | that worked in the HDHR tools, but not myth |
| [17:33:27] | RyeBrye: | interesting. I might have done that on mine I switched my backend to be a proper static IP rather than having my router always assign it the same IP via DHCP – my broadcast is now 10.14.80.255... |
| [17:34:15] | wagnerrp: | once i got on the proper subnet, and the broadcast address was correct, autodetection started working immediately |
| [17:34:40] | RyeBrye: | ah. Strange. DHCP assigns Bcast:10.14.255.255 |
| [17:35:02] | RyeBrye: | ... and hdhr_config discover works fine if I use dhcp |
| [17:35:38] | RyeBrye: | so I guess my LAN netmask should be 255.255.0.0 ? odd – I'll check my router settings – but the broadcast address seems to have been the issue here too |
| [17:35:47] | wagnerrp: | that sounds correct |
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| [17:50:03] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | [ot] It's official — Circuit City is going to be closing all stores... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090116/ap_on_bi_ . . . y_bankruptcy |
| [17:50:19] | iamlindoro_: | I can haz cheap teevees? |
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| [17:51:39] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: Perhaps... but usually the liquidation prices are 20%off 'original price'... which is often no deal at all... |
| [17:51:58] | iamlindoro_: | And Circuit City seldom had any decent deals anyway |
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| [17:52:28] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: the only thing I bought from CC in the last 5 years or so was a Hauppauge 1250 tuner and some misc DVDs.... |
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| [17:55:00] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, so there's the reason for preferring "DLNA" over uPnP |
| [17:55:04] | iamlindoro_: | DTCP |
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| [17:58:11] | wagnerrp: | i think i bought my 150s off a CC deal |
| [17:58:28] | wagnerrp: | $55 each or something |
| [18:08:25] | shadash: | does MythDora 10.21 include support for the hdpvr? |
| [18:08:32] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [18:09:01] | wagnerrp: | (just an assumption that mythdora runs a version of -fixes, rather than trunk) |
| [18:09:05] | shadash: | why this then? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Hauppauge_HD . . . ;oldid=36194 |
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| [18:10:09] | shadash: | iamlindoro_: I'm looking at you... does MythDora 10.21 include support for the hdpvr? |
| [18:10:44] | wagnerrp: | very well... mythdora should not support the hdpvr, but it appears that it does |
| [18:11:32] | iamlindoro_: | shadash: Why look at me? I only corrected the language, didn't add the bit about it supporting it |
| [18:11:39] | shadash: | ahh |
| [18:12:09] | iamlindoro_: | Anyway, they may include the driver, but the myth version that comes with it does not support the HD-PVR |
| [18:12:15] | iamlindoro_: | as it is .21 |
| [18:12:38] | shadash: | prob just setting up for .22 |
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| [18:41:58] | justinp_home_: | Hiya, folks – for some reason I've got no sound in my frontend |
| [18:42:39] | RyeBrye: | alsactl -c0 ? |
| [18:42:55] | RyeBrye: | jsut myth or your entire system? |
| [18:44:14] | RyeBrye: | try alsaconf and see if that helps |
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| [18:45:42] | justinp_home_: | Just myth, it looks like |
| [18:48:16] | justinp_home_: | Odd – no alsaconf |
| [18:48:39] | wagnerrp: | thats a problem |
| [18:49:14] | wagnerrp: | technically you dont need them, but then you have to set up the config files by hand |
| [18:49:37] | justinp_home_: | Trying to install now – we'll see if I can get alsaconf installed seperatly |
| [18:50:06] | iamlindoro_: | I'll lay odds on "pulseaudio with no alsa compat module installed" |
| [18:50:22] | justinp_home_: | I tried running alsamixer, but got an error saying if couldn't open alsa-pulse.conf |
| [18:50:34] | iamlindoro_: | ka-ching! |
| [18:50:41] | justinp_home_: | Right, it's an opensuse 11.1 frontend |
| [18:51:22] | justinp_home_: | I removed pulseaudio to try to go back to alsa, but they moved everything around on me as far as configuration so I'm not sure where to tell it to use alsa instead of pulse |
| [18:52:01] | wagnerrp: | whats the advantage of pulse? that all the distros seem to be migrating to it |
| [18:52:37] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: Believe the big draw is allowing each application to have its own mixer? |
| [18:52:42] | iamlindoro_: | I don't know a lot about it myself |
| [18:53:06] | wagnerrp: | so its like the audio stuff added in Vista, independent volumes |
| [18:53:23] | justinp_home_: | yep, it's the per-app mixer control |
| [18:53:44] | justinp_home_: | supposed to be better for networked sound as well |
| [18:53:59] | wagnerrp: | i mean as far as i could tell, it just looked like another Esound, which never managed to take off |
| [18:54:15] | gbee: | pulse is the band-aid over the seeping wound that is alsa |
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| [18:57:35] | Shovi: | anyone have one of these? KWORLD ATSC TV Stick UB435-Q USB 2.0 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815260023 |
| [18:57:42] | iamlindoro_: | *sigh* |
| [18:57:47] | Shovi: | bout to order one.. |
| [18:57:50] | wagnerrp: | Shovi: check linuxtv.org |
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| [18:57:53] | iamlindoro_: | Enjoy using it in windows |
| [18:58:03] | iamlindoro_: | <-- answered this very question on -users YESTERDAY |
| [18:58:09] | Shovi: | u talking to me |
| [18:58:09] | Shovi: | ? |
| [18:58:15] | iamlindoro_: | Yes |
| [18:58:21] | Shovi: | dosnt work with linux? |
| [18:58:31] | iamlindoro_: | follow wagnerrp's advice |
| [18:58:40] | iamlindoro_: | and then you will know whether or not it works in linux |
| [18:58:46] | Shovi: | u guys cant tell me? |
| [18:58:49] | iamlindoro_: | teach a man to fish and all that |
| [18:59:00] | iamlindoro_: | We're helpfully showing you how to find the answer yourself |
| [18:59:03] | iamlindoro_: | www.linuxtv.org |
| [18:59:11] | iamlindoro_: | v4l-dvb wiki |
| [18:59:26] | wagnerrp: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/KWorld_UB43 . . . TSC_TV_Stick |
| [18:59:57] | RyeBrye: | I made a page on the wiki to point to people who are confused by Mb / MB -> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Megabit |
| [19:00:21] | Shovi: | It is presently not supported under Linux. |
| [19:00:23] | Shovi: | yey |
| [19:00:25] | Shovi: | :( |
| [19:00:42] | iamlindoro_: | now the next card that interests you, you'll know where to look |
| [19:00:45] | Shovi: | o well, ill use my laptop as a tv then lol, with some kinda windows on it |
| [19:00:47] | RyeBrye: | The boilerplate at the top is cribbed from wikipedia for now – but the table is unique.... feel free to add in values for other common bitrates |
| [19:00:54] | Shovi: | works on windows though? |
| [19:01:07] | iamlindoro_: | One would presume, but we don't do windows |
| [19:01:13] | Shovi: | whys that? |
| [19:01:20] | iamlindoro_: | Because Mythtv is a linux project? |
| [19:01:30] | Shovi: | oh |
| [19:01:38] | wagnerrp: | RyeBrye: http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/q?=define+megabit |
| [19:01:44] | wagnerrp: | awww... that was so much easier! |
| [19:01:48] | Shovi: | lol |
| [19:01:51] | gbee: | "1 megabit = 106"? |
| [19:02:13] | RyeBrye: | wagnerrp: yeah – I know :) but a reference table of hours / GB or GB / hours for various bitrates is handy too |
| [19:02:17] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHAH |
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| [19:02:26] | RyeBrye: | for those who don't like teh maths |
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| [19:02:30] | RyeBrye: | ;) |
| [19:02:31] | wagnerrp: | Slysoft extended the promotion... again... till the 18th |
| [19:04:14] | wagnerrp: | it would appear Keanu is returning to play the role of Spike Spiegel |
| [19:04:42] | wagnerrp: | i dont think he has the hair for it |
| [19:05:09] | kormoc: | RyeBrye, google disagrees with your math, http://www.google.com/search?q=10.8+megabits+ . . . tes+per+hour |
| [19:05:18] | wagnerrp: | we need Christopher Lloyd with some hair dye |
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| [19:05:35] | kormoc: | or rather, I missed a zero |
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| [19:06:26] | dustybin: | ive found a excellent monitoring app called 'monit' it can be configured with commands like this: if failed port 25 protocol smtp then restart |
| [19:06:35] | dustybin: | that same thing can be done with your backend |
| [19:07:10] | dustybin: | http://mmonit.com/monit/ |
| [19:07:41] | iamlindoro_: | I found a helpful tool called ls which can be used to list the files in a directory! |
| [19:07:58] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: install: apt-get install sl |
| [19:08:07] | sid3windr: | choo choo |
| [19:08:09] | iamlindoro_: | sadly, he cannot even spell ls |
| [19:08:10] | dustybin: | heh |
| [19:08:21] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: that is the correct spelling |
| [19:08:36] | ** iamlindoro_ waits for reality to hit ** | |
| [19:08:45] | dustybin: | its designed for people who mistype ls |
| [19:08:47] | iamlindoro_: | *coughs softly, points upwards* |
| [19:08:49] | dustybin: | and something cool happens |
| [19:09:06] | wagnerrp: | you have such a program on your system? |
| [19:09:11] | dustybin: | aye |
| [19:09:12] | wagnerrp: | i certainly dont |
| [19:09:15] | dustybin: | LOL |
| [19:09:38] | gbee: | Ubuntu? |
| [19:09:43] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | I don't either... and if I mis-type 'ls' there's this little key called 'backspace' that I use... |
| [19:10:03] | wagnerrp: | which: no sl in (/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin) |
| [19:10:26] | ** gbee adds a symlink to svn, dnetnorfhtym ** | |
| [19:10:29] | sphery: | kormoc: Google's definitely wrong when you're talking about video (where megabits/sec = 1000000bits/sec = 4.526227712629 GiB/hr) |
| [19:10:49] | dustybin: | gbee: the package is available on debian 'sl' |
| [19:11:09] | gbee: | not installed by default on mandriva |
| [19:12:18] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | There seems to be a rpm for FC8... "sl.x86_64 0:3.03–6.fc8" is available to me... Not that I'd EVER see the need for it myself... |
| [19:12:19] | sphery: | kormoc: oh, I missed a step there... megabits/sec = 1000000bits/sec , /so/ 10.8Mb/sec = 01.16 14:10:29 < sphery> kormoc: Google's definitely wrong when you're talking about video (where megabits/sec = 1000000bits/sec = |
| [19:12:57] | sphery: | scrolling window broke copy...10.8Mb/sec = 4.526227712629 GiB/hr |
| [19:13:57] | sphery: | And, more importantly, 10.08Mb/sec = 4.224479198455 |
| [19:14:01] | sphery: | GiB/sec |
| [19:14:02] | dustybin: | somebody has beat me to it: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/StatusMonitoringHowTo |
| [19:15:29] | iamlindoro_: | only by a couple years |
| [19:15:44] | dustybin: | :( |
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| [19:28:15] | justinp_home_: | Haha! |
| [19:28:22] | justinp_home_: | Found the problem |
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| [19:28:56] | justinp_home_: | Reinstalled pulse |
| [19:29:12] | justinp_home_: | And discovered that the default *input* was muted |
| [19:29:28] | justinp_home_: | unmuted that, and sound is happy |
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| [19:29:37] | justinp_home_: | Now to figure out why music isn't playing |
| [19:31:21] | laga: | guys, i need to make a confession |
| [19:31:28] | laga: | i'm afraid of.. burn-in. on my LCD. |
| [19:31:57] | justinp_home_: | Looks like that was due to the same issue – now music is playing properly as well. Sweetness. |
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| [19:33:39] | ** iamlindoro_ holds laga until the tears go away ** | |
| [19:33:44] | iamlindoro_: | It's going to be.... okay now |
| [19:33:49] | sphery: | ok, so Google works as long as you actually spell out the binary unit name (mebibytes or gibibytes) |
| [19:34:29] | sphery: | (no abbreviations, MiB or GiB) |
| [19:35:35] | sphery: | Oh, wait... Google things 1 GB = 1 gibibyte... |
| [19:37:33] | wagnerrp: | TBS just suggested i make a nice dinner, and sit down for a evening watching the film actors guild awards |
| [19:37:55] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why i would want to watch such a thing |
| [19:38:06] | wagnerrp: | i mean i understand one, maybe two ceremonies |
| [19:38:18] | wagnerrp: | but that industry has like 20 different awards ceremonies |
| [19:38:21] | iamlindoro_: | That is a horrible name, prone to rude acronyms |
| [19:38:36] | wagnerrp: | (its actually the Screen Actors Guild) |
| [19:38:42] | iamlindoro_: | ah, that's different :) |
| [19:40:27] | ** stuarta discovers vgrename ** | |
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| [19:44:14] | justinp_home_: | OK, folks, all is happy now except for one thing: time to set up my remote without the automated goodies provided by the myth* distros |
| [19:44:29] | laga: | justinp_home_: www.lirc.org ;) |
| [19:44:56] | justinp_home_: | Yup, I know – really not looking forward to this part |
| [19:45:35] | laga: | what distro are you running? |
| [19:46:01] | justinp_home_: | opensuse 11.1 |
| [19:46:16] | justinp_home_: | I already have lircd installed, just need to configure |
| [19:46:31] | justinp_home_: | debating taking some pre-emptive migraine meds |
| [19:46:42] | ** iamlindoro_ wonders if there's a question in all this, or if this part is narrative ** | |
| [19:48:00] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, it's a day in the life of justin p! |
| [19:48:32] | ** iamlindoro_ gets some chips and a soda and settles in for a triumph of the human spirit ** | |
| [19:49:13] | iamlindoro_: | I'll laugh, I'll cry, I'll run irw |
| [19:49:19] | justinp_home_: | all narrative, iamlindoro_ |
| [19:49:40] | justinp_home_: | I'm not quite ready to ask questions yet |
| [19:50:15] | wagnerrp: | all questions need a backstory |
| [19:50:53] | iamlindoro_: | I feel like I'm living the backstory |
| [19:51:01] | justinp_home_: | heh...fortunately, I use Internal for all my media-playing goodness, so I won't have to make a bunch of configs for xine, mplayer, etc. |
| [19:51:04] | kormoc: | In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, and it was good, save for the lack of a linux PVR project... |
| [19:51:25] | stuarta: | i'm now getting really bored of transcoding stuff to cut out the ads to save space |
| [19:51:27] | iamlindoro_: | Oh not that old Myth |
| [19:51:30] | iamlindoro_: | Haha, ya get it? |
| [19:51:32] | iamlindoro_: | Myth? |
| [19:51:34] | iamlindoro_: | *nudge* |
| [19:51:35] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [19:51:36] | justinp_home_: | Then along came mythtv, and there was much crying, moaning, and general bedwetting |
| [19:52:01] | iamlindoro_: | HEY! I didn't cry or moan. |
| [19:52:07] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that deserves a stabbing |
| [19:52:10] | kormoc: | Hrm... I guess my code could scare children into wetting their beds, but adults? wow... I had no idea |
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| [19:52:16] | wagnerrp: | thats a BAD pun...! |
| [19:52:24] | ** justinp_home_ hides behing stabby-shield ** | |
| [19:52:35] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I set it up, he knocks it down |
| [19:52:45] | wagnerrp: | KOIP |
| [19:52:56] | wagnerrp: | knife-over-IP |
| [19:53:00] | iamlindoro_: | Kentucky over IP? |
| [19:53:12] | ** kormoc waits for KFCOIP ** | |
| [19:53:16] | justinp_home_: | lulz. |
| [19:53:16] | iamlindoro_: | oooh |
| [19:53:27] | justinp_home_: | kormoc: You'd make millions. |
| [19:53:31] | kormoc: | it's the next step after that bowl they do... |
| [19:53:33] | justinp_home_: | Bloody millions. |
| [19:53:51] | iamlindoro_: | I stand firmly behind any technology that keeps certain myth users from the general public |
| [19:53:52] | kormoc: | Why bother keeping the food separate when we can pile it all in one container and they'll still eat it!?!? |
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| [19:54:08] | wagnerrp: | hey, those bowls are fantastic |
| [19:54:21] | justinp_home_: | Word. |
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| [19:54:48] | justinp_home_: | The only problem is they're more filling than they look – I end up buying $20 more food than I need, because I'm full after the bowl |
| [19:54:55] | ** iamlindoro_ sighs happily at the thought that he might no ever need to theme mythphone ** | |
| [19:54:57] | iamlindoro_: | not |
| [19:55:13] | ** kormoc wonders if it's going away ** | |
| [19:55:23] | iamlindoro_: | That seemed to be the implication yesterday |
| [19:55:27] | iamlindoro_: | I sure hope so |
| [19:55:41] | wagnerrp: | no one around who wants to maintain it? |
| [19:55:51] | iamlindoro_: | Would be nice to pile MythZoneMinder on top of it |
| [19:56:02] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: Pretty much |
| [19:56:05] | gbee: | it's unmaintained, maybe 3/4 patches submitted in the last 2 years, it's a gonna |
| [19:56:06] | GreyFoxx: | I like myth zoneminder. We use that here at work a lot |
| [19:56:23] | GreyFoxx: | but I wouldn't be too sad if it went away |
| [19:56:28] | Chutt: | kormoc, hey, check out my comments in #mythtv – i get the same reload on mouseover/hover in mythweb |
| [19:56:50] | justinp_home_: | mythphone is one of those chicken/egg things, I think |
| [19:56:58] | kormoc: | Chutt, oh hrm. Specific images or all images? |
| [19:57:00] | justinp_home_: | It would be used more if more people used it |
| [19:57:02] | wagnerrp: | is there actually any frontend to zoneminder? or is it web only? |
| [19:57:15] | Chutt: | kormoc, not _everything_, but the preview images, and the logo in the upper left |
| [19:57:20] | GreyFoxx: | wagnerrp: zoneminder is webbased |
| [19:57:33] | justinp_home_: | That's really the problem with all videophone technologies |
| [19:57:33] | gbee: | no-one, even outside the inner circle of devs has shown interest in looking after mythphone ... chances are good that someone might step forward if we threaten to bin it |
| [19:57:36] | Chutt: | kormoc, but doesn't happen on other websites |
| [19:57:36] | wagnerrp: | i mean theres nothing else you could pull up using mythgame or something |
| [19:58:14] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: Although you could pull up zoneminder in mythbrowser |
| [19:58:20] | kormoc: | Chutt, that's really weird, there's no javascript or hover events on those images... Can you clear your cache and see if it still happens? |
| [19:58:32] | kormoc: | Chutt, and what browser/os? |
| [19:58:50] | Chutt: | kormoc, already tried clearing the cache |
| [19:58:56] | gbee: | but I'm not that convinced that mythphone fits into the mythtv package, making phone calls through your TV? It's also substandard on the UI front and seems to break frequently |
| [19:58:57] | Chutt: | kong from kde 4.2, ubuntu jaunty |
| [19:59:22] | kormoc: | Chutt, rgr, I'm hitting a meeting, I'll install that in a vm when I get back and see if I can see what's up |
| [19:59:23] | justinp_home_: | I like the way LinuxMCE handles phone integration though |
| [20:00:04] | Chutt: | gbee, i have it removed locally |
| [20:00:27] | Chutt: | i figure people can bitch after i remove it |
| [20:01:20] | gbee: | the thing is that proper modern VOIP solutions don't really require a GUI on the TV, with Skype etc you get a proper handset to use |
| [20:01:53] | Chutt: | 94 files changed, 40544 deletions(-) |
| [20:02:21] | wagnerrp: | besides, most SIP providers dont offer video |
| [20:02:28] | gbee: | you can still flash up caller ID, that part of mythtv is unrelated to the mythphone plugin and that's the only bit of it that has ever made much sense to me |
| [20:02:45] | GreyFoxx: | they need a month of celeb's *gag* all caught on video using video phones |
| [20:03:02] | GreyFoxx: | Once Paris Hilton thinks video phones are Hot everyone will want one |
| [20:03:05] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
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| [20:03:21] | iamlindoro_: | I believe she's just about run her course |
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| [20:04:20] | iamlindoro_: | So Sun open sourced the Netscape Enterprise Server... questions about "how can I run MythWeb on NES" in 3...2... |
| [20:04:20] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: yeah. Once video phones are standard offerings and most people have them THEN I can understand your TV being tied into that |
| [20:05:03] | justinp_home_: | Right, that's what I was saying before |
| [20:05:39] | justinp_home_: | I'd give it three-four years before videophones become more common |
| [20:05:54] | ** GreyFoxx has 2 on his desk now heh ** | |
| [20:06:06] | GreyFoxx: | but it's a very slow uptake |
| [20:06:16] | sphery: | you really think people will /want/ to use video phones? |
| [20:06:39] | gbee: | I don't ... I call someone specifically when I don't want to see them face to face ;) |
| [20:06:46] | justinp_home_: | Only if they are set up so you have to manually activate the video part of the call |
| [20:06:47] | Chutt: | sphery, there's a reason there's a webcam in every macbook |
| [20:06:54] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: No, but the current generation of kids will likely want them |
| [20:07:04] | justinp_home_: | I know I don't want people to see me when I roll over in bed at 6am to answer a call |
| [20:07:18] | jduggan: | lol |
| [20:07:35] | sphery: | I thought webcams in laptops were like PiP in TV's--cool when you see it at the store, but something you never really use. :) |
| [20:07:47] | GreyFoxx: | youngster use them a lot more |
| [20:07:50] | justinp_home_: | afksmokeytime |
| [20:07:54] | sphery: | I may just be too old. |
| [20:08:01] | iamlindoro_: | I have a couple macbooks but I could probably count the times I've used the cameras on one hand |
| [20:08:13] | wagnerrp: | but... they had videophones way back in Blade Runner |
| [20:08:19] | GreyFoxx: | by the time my daughter hits college age I expect they will be very common |
| [20:08:22] | wagnerrp: | and Star Trek had video phones attached to their TVs! |
| [20:08:43] | gbee: | mythphone at least needs moving from mythplugins to mythunmaintainedplugins so that it no longer features in normal packages/releases, it needs serious work (including porting to mythui) and probably an overhaul to work with a current generation of VOIP tech |
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| [20:08:55] | Chutt: | gbee, too late! |
| [20:08:59] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [20:09:01] | sphery: | I've used my webcam twice--both times just to show someone who just got a laptop with a webcam how it works. Neither person has ever chosen to use webcams to talk to me again. Then again, maybe that's just because it's me... |
| [20:09:04] | ** iamlindoro_ hears taps playing ** | |
| [20:09:25] | iamlindoro_: | Farewell Mythphone, we hardly knew ye... literally |
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| [20:10:50] | sphery: | gbee: could have a good, bad, and ugly package, like gstreamer :) |
| [20:11:02] | gbee: | sphery: I started a whole linux driver project to get my laptop webcam working, we finally achieved a working driver a year ago and I've never used the webcam since |
| [20:11:30] | jduggan: | lol which webcam |
| [20:11:37] | sphery: | Yeah... Just bought a new laptop that has one, but there was no option for one without... |
| [20:12:13] | gbee: | jduggan: well a variety of image sensors in combination with the Ali M5602/M5603c chip |
| [20:13:15] | GreyFoxx: | hah! I think I downloaded that once for a webcam we had laying around here at work |
| [20:14:57] | gbee: | and when I say I started the project, that's what I did, after spending days reading USB specs, looking at the kernel implementation and other webcam drivers, I think I wrote a grand total of a dozen lines in the entire thing – I was fortunate that someone who new more about driver writing than me came along and I was relegated to just admining the project :) |
| [20:15:03] | justinp_home_: | OK, I'm gonna stop goofing off and get the remote working, as it's the last thing I have before my FE is happy |
| [20:15:40] | GreyFoxx: | hahah someone just asked my company to setup a mythtv system for feeding video to several screens in their bar/club |
| [20:16:28] | gbee: | heh |
| [20:16:45] | wagnerrp: | mytharibtraryvisualizations |
| [20:17:04] | GreyFoxx: | They want it to be able to feed multiple screens OR have finer control over what plays to what screens |
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| [20:17:12] | GreyFoxx: | of course very vague on details right now |
| [20:17:28] | sphery: | RyeBrye: I fixed the http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Megabit page. Google broke it since it /always/ treats byte units as if the prefix is binary (i.e. GB = gigabyte = gibibyte--and it doesn't recognize GiB), so the MB/hr column was using SI MB whereas the GB/hr column was using binary GiB. Also added columns for the binary. |
| [20:17:48] | GreyFoxx: | It would be funny if my work paid me to write in mythvideo playlist support hah |
| [20:18:02] | iamlindoro_: | +1 Greyfoxxwork |
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| [20:18:58] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: they hiring? ;) |
| [20:19:04] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [20:19:19] | sphery: | I thought about doing "real" playlists in MythVideo back when we generally just used external players (was going to allow a line-delimited list of files to play since xine/MPlayer both use them). But, "real" real playlists would be even better now that Internal is the in thing. |
| [20:19:21] | GreyFoxx: | My boss and the guy who went with him just came back from a meeting at the place all excited heh |
| [20:19:38] | sphery: | that was back in the 0.17 days, IIRC |
| [20:19:39] | GreyFoxx: | dunno what will come of it, but we'll see :) |
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| [20:20:26] | ** GreyFoxx waits for the users list to notice mythphone is gone ** | |
| [20:20:32] | gbee: | IMHO if playlist support is added it should work identically to Watch Recordings, if necessary porting features back there or just sharing the code |
| [20:20:48] | sphery: | I agree. |
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| [20:21:25] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: There will assuredly be someone with a MAJOR sob story ("This is my ONLY way of conversing with my poor dying mother in the hospital!!") |
| [20:21:28] | sphery: | Though I wouldn't mind the Watch Recordings playlist support getting updated in the process (i.e. one-touch add to playlist, possibly "search" type playlists or ...) |
| [20:21:28] | GreyFoxx: | I think there should be 2 modes. 1 where you go through and pick the videos, playback time (random shuffle, in order or what) and so on. And nother where it cycles through everything in a specific directory |
| [20:22:05] | gbee: | this whole UI consistency drive has become my new thing |
| [20:22:21] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro_: because they can only communicate over a TV, not any other computer with a SIP client |
| [20:22:38] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: Logic is seldom the strong point of the complainy |
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| [20:23:13] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: depending on how you browse mythvideo (flat or directories), that's pretty much how watch recordings already works, you can add entire groups to the playlist at once |
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| [20:23:57] | gbee: | I'm not saying that the UI couldn't be improved though |
| [20:24:40] | gbee: | a window which pops up showing all files in the playlist and allowing you to drag them up/down to re-arrange the order would be interesting |
| [20:25:57] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.mythtv.org/img/screenshots/tv_paused.png |
| [20:26:05] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, is it just me, or was that taken with a camera? |
| [20:26:20] | simcop2387: | its really nice having two places that will record things easily |
| [20:26:59] | whoDat: | have been trying for awhile now to get audio working when using the hdtv 5500 card. anyone have some insight on this? |
| [20:27:15] | wagnerrp: | there is no audio to get working |
| [20:27:24] | wagnerrp: | it will be embedded in the mpeg stream |
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| [20:28:36] | whoDat: | wagner: for analog mode as well? |
| [20:28:55] | tony403: | i ordered a hauppauge 1800. will it record in hd if i have to use a set top box? |
| [20:29:22] | ** wagnerrp waves hand in a jedi-like manner ** | |
| [20:29:30] | iamlindoro_: | tony403: Nope, it cannot capture HD from your STB. And what's more, you can't use the analog side in Myth at all right now. |
| [20:29:30] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt be using analog on a 5500 |
| [20:29:30] | justinh: | hmm. eastendies failed to record.. recorder failed. wasn't spooked the first couple of times but it's increasingly more common now :-\ |
| [20:30:02] | whoDat: | wagner: i had the hard laying around and have no use for the hd side of it. any ideas on the audio though? |
| [20:30:04] | Chutt: | iamlindoro, that's a very old analog tv screenshot – it's not a camera |
| [20:30:10] | iamlindoro_: | tony403: The *only* thing you can use an HVR-1800 for right now is unencrypted QAM (read: straight out of the wall, network TV only usually) |
| [20:30:21] | tony403: | iamlindoro, there's no stb's that make use of hd tv? |
| [20:30:38] | wagnerrp: | the 1800 only has standard definition capture |
| [20:30:53] | wagnerrp: | RF, composite, or svideo |
| [20:30:54] | tony403: | iamlindoro, crap, i just ordered it. any recommendations for a different one? |
| [20:31:15] | wagnerrp: | if you need HD capture off an STB, you have no choice but to get an HDPVR |
| [20:31:16] | iamlindoro_: | tony403: There's lots of STBs that output HD. You just can't capture it with the analog part of an HVR-1800 (and you can't capture digitally from a STB using any digital capture card) |
| [20:31:28] | wagnerrp: | if you have firewire, you can try to pull video over that |
| [20:31:31] | tony403: | iamlindoro, at least if not for myth but for windows media center |
| [20:31:38] | wagnerrp: | of course you need an STB that has firewire ports |
| [20:31:47] | iamlindoro_: | Chutt: Oh, heh, my mistake then :) Thought some of the artifacting looked like it was taken from a tripod-mounted digital |
| [20:31:55] | wagnerrp: | if you have digital cable, you can get your provider to swap out for one that does |
| [20:32:01] | wagnerrp: | if you have digital satellite, youre SOL |
| [20:32:17] | tony403: | crap, why must they ruin all my options |
| [20:32:32] | iamlindoro_: | because the cable companies don't want to let you control the content you pay for |
| [20:32:34] | wagnerrp: | they must protect their precious contents |
| [20:33:00] | tony403: | so i'm just as well of keeping my pvr-150? |
| [20:33:04] | wagnerrp: | why make it easy to build your own PVR, when they can force you into using theirs that they have control over |
| [20:33:21] | wagnerrp: | tony403: youre far better off, since the 150 actually has analog support in mythtv |
| [20:33:26] | iamlindoro_: | if you're capturing from a STB, yes, the 150 is good. If you want HD, you can try for firewire (which is a mixed bag) or wait for .22 and buy a Hauppauge HD-PVR |
| [20:33:32] | justinh: | wha? the log saying it couldn't open dvb 3, permission denied.. then later it apparently started recording virgin1 when nothing was scheduled to record |
| [20:33:48] | wagnerrp: | the 1800 will work just fine for capturing the local broadcast channels |
| [20:34:39] | tony403: | i suppose i'll use it in vista if linux doesn't support the 1800 well. i live kind of in the sticks so i hope i can pick up something with it |
| [20:34:55] | wagnerrp: | tony403: AFAIK, the 1800 works just fine in analog, but mythtv doesnt understand how to access the analog mpeg encoder |
| [20:35:06] | justinh: | here's the log output: http://pastebin.ca/1310324 |
| [20:35:10] | justinh: | weird stuff |
| [20:35:11] | iamlindoro_: | But there's someone working on it, it'll get there |
| [20:35:29] | wagnerrp: | there is someone actively trying to add it? |
| [20:35:42] | justinh: | cardid 3 normally just works (tm).. femon is reporting signal is ok across all 3 tuners |
| [20:36:02] | justinh: | is cardid 3 actually a dvb device or one of the virtual ones? |
| [20:36:23] | jpabq: | tony403: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
| [20:37:28] | justinh: | hrm. looks virtual |
| [20:37:54] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: yes, janne is |
| [20:38:41] | wagnerrp: | good to hear |
| [20:38:49] | justinh: | so, any other dvb-t users in the UK getting 'recorder failed'? I can think of some stuff to try like deleting all the tuners & re-adding em... |
| [20:38:53] | wagnerrp: | i dont know how long i can expect before my 150s start burning out |
| [20:39:06] | justinh: | cardid 3 is actually /dev/dvb/adapter0 |
| [20:39:50] | justinh: | wonder if there's a race condition where EIT is being grabbed somehow |
| [20:40:05] | justinh: | only other thing I can think of that's cause something else to use the device |
| [20:40:12] | justinh: | *causing |
| [20:42:18] | wagnerrp: | heres a good one |
| [20:42:25] | justinh: | anybody think of a possible reason why I'd have problems if the cardinput table wasn't all consequtive entries? i.e. I cranked up the max recordings later after added them |
| [20:42:42] | wagnerrp: | someone on the -users list is worrying about HDTV consuming too much bandwidth |
| [20:42:52] | justinh: | dunno how the recorder failed stuff is more frequent now than before though... |
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| [20:43:03] | wagnerrp: | he knows it might be an issue because lag on his son's online games shoot way up when he starts streaming netflix |
| [20:43:14] | Anduin: | justinh: they don't need to be sequential |
| [20:43:31] | justinh: | pity there's no way to know what was using the device at the time to cause the 'device busy' |
| [20:43:57] | justinh: | I definitely wasnt anywhere near the machine at 8pm, so it weren't me guv :) |
| [20:44:14] | tony403: | i'm looking at this and this records HD TV. anything wrong with this: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html |
| [20:44:27] | justinh: | only possible suspect is EIT.. or else the device was offline.. but strangely came back |
| [20:44:37] | justinh: | tony403: only works with trunk mythtv |
| [20:44:53] | justinh: | so either run trunk with it, or else wait for 0.22 |
| [20:44:59] | Anduin: | justinh: Not on a SBE? |
| [20:45:04] | justinh: | Anduin: nope |
| [20:45:15] | tony403: | justin, but it'll be fine with vista, right? doesn't matter the OS to me, as long as I can get something to work |
| [20:45:35] | justinh: | tony403: I can't speak for Vista, but I'd presume so |
| [20:46:25] | iamlindoro_: | Just so long as you don't expect to run Myth with it in Vista |
| [20:46:32] | iamlindoro_: | (and the HD-PVR won't work with MCE, either) |
| [20:46:42] | iamlindoro_: | so you'll be stuck using whatever software they bundle |
| [20:48:06] | iamlindoro_: | or J. Random Windows DVR Software, I suppose |
| [20:49:25] | justinh: | well, I'll try disabling EIT for a while & see what happens with the recorder |
| [20:50:26] | justinh: | would it be relatively easy to shove some debug in the backend code, so that in the event of a device or resource being busy already, whatever DOES have it can be logged too? |
| [20:51:06] | justinh: | though if it IS the EIT grabberer, that's only likely to be mythbackend innit |
| [20:51:16] | justinh: | so, no further forwards |
| [20:51:28] | tony403: | thanks for the help guys |
| [20:52:04] | justinh: | I'll just check the dvb stuff is all still in the right group etc, just to be on the safe side |
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| [20:52:58] | justinh: | nope. all owned by root, in the video group. and mythtv is in the video group. silly |
| [20:53:17] | wagnerrp: | somehow i managed to lose the libXv headers on my system |
| [20:53:25] | justinh: | wagnerrp: whoops! |
| [20:56:02] | wagnerrp: | made recompiling myth a bit difficult |
| [20:58:22] | afm: | anyone know if libraw1394 v2 fixes whatever bug was in v1.30 for firewire capturing and channel changing? |
| [20:59:16] | justinh: | ok then.. one more question for now.. if I change dvb_eitscan on a tuner card do I need to stop/restart the BE ? |
| [20:59:38] | justinh: | oh actually.. that tuner is the only one with that enabled |
| [20:59:39] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Prety sure |
| [21:00:52] | justinh: | hmmm. digging in my logs .. all the recorder failed messages were on that tuner device.. same one where EIT is enabled |
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| [21:01:42] | justinh: | and I'm pretty sure I've not seen this until my folks were here, when I for some reason decided to change it so only one tuner used it.. possibly power saving |
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| [21:03:29] | justinh: | weeeelll then I'll be changing that back.. |
| [21:04:06] | justinh: | oh and they're all set to ondemand now. to hell with power savings. failed recordings, NO NO NO |
| [21:04:10] | justinh: | :) |
| [21:05:01] | justinh: | soon as the backend is done recording QI, boink! |
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| [21:11:10] | kormoc: | So ubuntu folks, Jaunty is what version number? |
| [21:11:25] | kormoc: | and what's the point of custy names that everyone uses if it's not listed anywhere to what they map to.... |
| [21:11:33] | directhex: | 9.04 |
| [21:11:54] | justinh: | what's with the .04 & .10 anyways? |
| [21:11:59] | directhex: | month of release |
| [21:12:04] | directhex: | year.month. simple! |
| [21:12:09] | justinh: | ta-da |
| [21:13:02] | kormoc: | anyone know offhand where the jaunty isos are? |
| [21:13:28] | directhex: | erm... hm... philips are launching a cinemascope aspect telly |
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| [21:13:39] | justinh: | kormoc: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/alpha-2/ |
| [21:13:55] | jduggan: | http://pure.noffle.net/~jduggan/mythlog.txt <- anyone have any ideas on this? (DVD playback from .iso's, mplayer doesnt have a problem with it) |
| [21:14:24] | kormoc: | justinh, snaz |
| [21:14:37] | directhex: | http://lifestyle.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=16899 |
| [21:14:50] | justinh: | kormoc: just googled for 'ubuntu 9.04 iso' :P |
| [21:14:57] | iamlindoro_: | Woohoo @ Galactica tonight |
| [21:15:51] | kormoc: | !trout kormoc google |
| [21:15:51] | ** MythLogBot slaps kormoc with a google trout on behalf of kormoc... ** | |
| [21:16:00] | justinh: | anyway, good news is that nothing I've ever wanted to record has failed to record :P |
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| [21:16:19] | iamlindoro_: | It's MythGoodTaste at work |
| [21:16:33] | justinh: | hope there's not a nasty race condition between EIT grabbing & the DVB recorder though.. that'd be arse |
| [21:17:13] | justinh: | think I'll have a look through the tickets & see if there's any history.. or it might've been fixed already |
| [21:18:01] | iamlindoro_: | if (pginfo->title = "Dancing with the..." || pginfo->title = "America's Got..." || pginfo->title = "Who Wants to Be..."); break; |
| [21:18:21] | justinh: | wouldn't be anything wrong with cranking up the EIT timeout thingy either.. to be on the safe side |
| [21:18:36] | justinh: | sod it.. let it do it all after 3 hours of tuner inactivity |
| [21:19:59] | justinh: | wow. am full of my own solutions tonight, perhaps just aswell ;) |
| [21:24:37] | justinh: | damn. can't figure out the name of the column that setting is kept |
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| [21:28:12] | justinh: | aha. EITCrawIdleStart |
| [21:28:36] | justinh: | currently 60 secs. will crank that waaaaay up methinks |
| [21:28:44] | iamlindoro_: | " if you populate every memory slot that will have a much higher chance of instability than if you do not." |
| [21:28:53] | iamlindoro_: | More pearls of wisdom brought to you by mythtv-users |
| [21:29:18] | ** justinh blocks off their intertubes ** | |
| [21:29:38] | RyeBrye: | iamlindoro: depends on what you populate it with |
| [21:29:50] | justinh: | iron filings? :D |
| [21:29:52] | iamlindoro_: | IF you populate it with rotten tuna |
| [21:29:59] | RyeBrye: | iamlindoro: with DIMMs, probably not a big deal. but if you populate it with a small population of sea monkeys... |
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| [21:32:15] | justinp_fe: | OK, I'm ready to ask some lirc questions |
| [21:32:43] | justinh: | 1. make sure all your buttons work by using the command line app irw |
| [21:32:55] | justinp_fe: | Done |
| [21:33:02] | justinp_fe: | and yes, they work |
| [21:33:20] | justinh: | 2. make sure all your remote button names in lircd.conf align with those defined in ~/.mythtv/lircrc and ~/.lircrc |
| [21:33:23] | afm: | i've compiled and installed libraw1394 and am attempting to compile firewire support into trunk...i can't seem to get the right flags to get it to see the new libs |
| [21:33:25] | justinp_fe: | but Myth isn't responding to it |
| [21:33:32] | justinh: | justinp_fe: see above :) |
| [21:33:40] | justinp_fe: | yeo |
| [21:33:45] | justinp_fe: | bah – yep |
| [21:33:56] | justinh: | justinp_fe: case matters too FYI |
| [21:33:59] | justinp_fe: | i'll pastebin my lircd.conf and lircrc |
| [21:35:45] | justinp_fe: | lircrc: http://pastebin.ca/1310361 |
| [21:36:49] | justinp_fe: | lircd.conf: http://pastebin.ca/1310364 |
| [21:37:53] | justinh: | hmm. look ok to me |
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| [21:38:19] | justinp_fe: | That's what I said, too |
| [21:38:29] | justinp_fe: | I'm obviously missing something |
| [21:38:39] | justinh: | so is the lircrc in ~/.mythtv ? |
| [21:38:47] | justinp_fe: | yup |
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| [21:39:03] | justinh: | did you compile myth yourself? |
| [21:39:30] | justinp_fe: | No, installed from packman repo on opensuse 11 |
| [21:39:35] | justinh: | kk |
| [21:39:55] | justinh: | just check something for me please.. mythfrontend --version .. lirc is mentioned there isn't it? |
| [21:40:41] | justinh: | using_lirc |
| [21:40:47] | justinp_fe: | using-lirc, yes |
| [21:41:06] | justinp_fe: | s/-/_/ |
| [21:41:17] | justinh: | so irw works, reports all the button names.. and the button names line up.. and myth was built with lirc support. hrm |
| [21:41:31] | justinh: | you've not started up a 2nd mythfrontend on top of another by any chance? |
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| [21:41:59] | justinh: | only other thing I can think of is window focus... |
| [21:42:43] | justinp_fe: | only one mythfrontend, and I don't think there are multiple fe's running |
| [21:43:10] | justinh: | justinp_fe: one thing you could try is taking out the "remote = " lines from lircrc.. |
| [21:43:32] | iamlindoro_: | Friends don't let friends use SuSE |
| [21:43:41] | justinh: | ah another thing – have you put the lircrc file there since you last started mythfrontend? |
| [21:44:00] | justinh: | it's only ever read when mythfrontend starts up :) |
| [21:44:02] | justinp_fe: | nope, i've rebooted since then, in fact |
| [21:44:26] | justinh: | and if you open a terminal right now, running irw reports all the button presses? |
| [21:45:01] | justinp_fe: | 00000000000028d2 00 OK Streamzap_PC_Remote |
| [21:45:08] | justinh: | just checkin |
| [21:45:23] | justinp_fe: | always good to check |
| [21:45:49] | justinh: | out of ideas now but.. |
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| [21:46:23] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinp_fe: your mappings in ~mythtv/.lircrc match the button names in lircd.conf ??? |
| [21:46:35] | justinh: | J-e-f-f-A|work: they all seem to, to my eyes |
| [21:46:38] | justinp_fe: | ooooh! |
| [21:46:42] | justinp_fe: | found it, |
| [21:46:46] | justinh: | que? |
| [21:47:02] | justinh: | what was it then? |
| [21:47:03] | justinp_fe: | permissions problem – root:root on lircrc |
| [21:47:21] | justinh: | heh. never had that one before |
| [21:47:28] | justinh: | well spotted :) |
| [21:49:29] | justinp_fe: | dammit! |
| [21:49:36] | justinh: | no? |
| [21:49:41] | justinp_fe: | wasn't the only problem, apparently |
| [21:50:02] | gbee is now known as gbee_is_not_here | |
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| [21:53:20] | justinp_fe: | tried commenting out the remote = line, no love there |
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| [21:54:03] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: and your lircd daemon is running? |
| [21:54:08] | justinh: | I'm stumped then.. unless you're running mythfrontend as a user who can't use the lirc device.. and the user you run irw from a terminal can |
| [21:54:17] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | er justinp_fe |
| [21:55:02] | justinp_fe: | lircd is running |
| [21:55:42] | justinh: | you running irw as the same user mythfrontend is run as? |
| [21:55:58] | justinp_fe: | yes |
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| [21:56:50] | justinp_fe: | set /dev/lirc0 to 666, no love |
| [21:57:16] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinp_fe what about /dev/lirc ? (no '0') |
| [21:57:25] | justinp_fe: | that's 777 |
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| [21:57:47] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinp_fe: humph... mine too... |
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| [21:58:26] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinp_fe: When you start the frontend from a terminal, do you get any error messages about lirc? |
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| [21:59:37] | justinp_fe: | I'll try that |
| [22:00:45] | justinp_fe: | there it is – mythtv: bad file format, /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc:3 |
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| [22:00:56] | justinp_fe: | Failed to read lirc config /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc for mythtv |
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| [22:05:58] | justinp_fe: | gotta be that remote = line – I'm pullin all of them |
| [22:08:21] | iamlindoro_: | justinp_fe: What did you use to edit/write the lircrc? |
| [22:08:27] | justinp_fe: | vim |
| [22:08:35] | iamlindoro_: | ie, did you download an existing one and edit that, or work from scratch? |
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| [22:09:12] | justinp_fe: | download and edit – time for dos2unix |
| [22:09:17] | iamlindoro_: | I have a suspicion that it's incompatible line breaks, personally |
| [22:09:22] | iamlindoro_: | yep |
| [22:09:47] | justinp_fe: | booya! |
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| [22:12:50] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ^^ there ya go... ;-) Now you should to buy iamlindoro_ a beer... ;-) |
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| [22:21:59] | ** justinp_fe gives iamlindoro a beer ** | |
| [22:22:18] | justinp_fe: | looks all gravy now, thanks |
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| [22:32:12] | AlmightyOatmeal: | have you ever felt like going on a licking spree? |
| [22:33:17] | iamlindoro_: | only when I'm of my meds |
| [22:33:18] | iamlindoro_: | off |
| [22:33:31] | AlmightyOatmeal: | hmm, i guess i should have taken mine |
| [22:38:55] | wagnerrp: | and just what would you lick on one of these sprees? |
| [22:42:51] | AlmightyOatmeal: | if alcohol is involved, its normally inanimate objects, specifically lightpoles |
| [22:42:59] | AlmightyOatmeal: | (i have pictures) |
| [22:43:26] | kormoc: | you haven't licked life until you've licked a eyeball... |
| [22:43:31] | AlmightyOatmeal: | if alcohol is not involved, well, bring a poncho |
| [22:43:38] | wagnerrp: | you know... i used to know someone who found it enjoyable to urinate on public structures |
| [22:43:40] | AlmightyOatmeal: | kormoc: whoa. |
| [22:44:07] | wagnerrp: | he used to be a friend |
| [22:44:07] | iamlindoro_: | I once peed on the door to Boston's busiest subway entrance |
| [22:44:13] | iamlindoro_: | There was alcohol |
| [22:44:15] | wagnerrp: | we grew apart after my discovery of that fact |
| [22:44:25] | AlmightyOatmeal: | wagnerrp: i humped statues on the capitol square (again, i have pictures) |
| [22:44:29] | AlmightyOatmeal: | ha |
| [22:45:01] | wagnerrp: | i mean its one thing if you legitimately have to urinate |
| [22:45:08] | wagnerrp: | but he would do it out of a matter or principle |
| [22:45:13] | wagnerrp: | s/or/of/ |
| [22:45:58] | AlmightyOatmeal: | http://radioactiverussian.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=4841 |
| [22:46:05] | AlmightyOatmeal: | http://radioactiverussian.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=4843 |
| [22:46:08] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i <3 madison. |
| [22:46:16] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [22:46:27] | AlmightyOatmeal: | :) |
| [22:46:29] | kormoc: | we don't need the creation of a new fetish in here |
| [22:47:11] | iamlindoro_: | That's quite enough cowhumpery, says me |
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| [22:47:49] | AlmightyOatmeal: | the story behind that is the UW painted up about 20 fake cows and placed them around campus/downtown, they auctioned them off at the end of the summer for a fundraiser |
| [22:48:03] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i could afford to buy her so i had to leave my mark somehow |
| [22:48:44] | iamlindoro_: | I suspect that there is alcohol involved in this current conversation |
| [22:49:14] | AlmightyOatmeal: | no, but maybe a cuple of percosets |
| [22:49:23] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i'm merely bored |
| [22:49:25] | hachi: | does mythtv's builder have a way to make me a tarball the way the one is uploaded to the site, or is that done differently? |
| [22:50:18] | ** AlmightyOatmeal taps his foot waiting for MythDora dvd to finish downloading ** | |
| [22:50:33] | iamlindoro_: | svn co http://www.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-21-fixes/ && tar cvzf mythtarball.tar.gz release-0-21-fixes/ ? |
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| [22:50:55] | kormoc: | mythtv's builder? |
| [22:51:00] | hachi: | I doubt you use co to do it |
| [22:51:11] | hachi: | cause then you would be tarring up the .svn directory |
| [22:51:15] | hachi: | maybe svn export? |
| [22:51:33] | hachi: | some people like to do 'make dist' though, hence why I asked |
| [22:51:40] | iamlindoro_: | sigh |
| [22:51:52] | AlmightyOatmeal: | wtf? |
| [22:52:01] | AlmightyOatmeal: | hachi: mate, what are you smoking? |
| [22:52:01] | kormoc: | svn co && fine . -name .svn -exec rm -rf {} && tar? |
| [22:52:48] | hachi: | nothing really, I'm asking what the workflow is |
| [22:53:08] | iamlindoro_: | There's no workflow, the tarball is made manually on release and then promptly forgotten |
| [22:53:19] | hachi: | ahh, okay |
| [22:53:22] | kormoc: | hachi, if you know the difference between svn co and svn export, what's the details matter? |
| [22:54:02] | hachi: | kormoc: I was mostly asking if there was a dist building script, or a make target that makes the tarball. since there isn't one it doesn't matter |
| [22:54:15] | hachi: | I'll just do it manually too, no harm |
| [22:55:14] | iamlindoro_: | a tarball of myth is of limited value anyway, why not just check out latest fixes when needed? |
| [22:55:44] | hachi: | I have 64bit and 32 bit systems, and I want to code against it as well |
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| [22:56:03] | iamlindoro_: | so.... who cares? |
| [22:56:08] | hachi: | so I wanted to boil down to a tarball, and install from that after I change code |
| [22:56:13] | hachi: | nobody cares |
| [22:56:18] | hachi: | well, I care |
| [22:56:24] | iamlindoro_: | No, I mean none of that prevents you from checking it out on demand |
| [22:56:33] | iamlindoro_: | -r somerevnumber, and apply your patches |
| [22:56:46] | iamlindoro_: | *shrug* |
| [22:57:02] | iamlindoro_: | Whatever works for you |
| [22:57:08] | FisherPrice: | I have card with two tuners, so I can switch using the "y" key. The OSD on Tuner1 shows the program information, but Tuner2 doesn't. Does anyone know how to fix this? |
| [22:57:08] | hachi: | I was just searching for part of the 'official' workflow... no harm either way |
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| [23:03:01] | tgm4883_laptop: | With 2 storage directories on the same backend, can I move some shows from one storage dir to the other storage dir using just the command line? I know that in the db there is a reference to which hostname they are on, but I didn't see anything about which storage dir they were in. |
| [23:05:07] | jams: | tgm4883_laptop- it will search through the SG until it finds the file or runs out of SG to search |
| [23:05:10] | hachi: | FisherPrice: in mythtv-setup, when you're in the input devices or whatever, do you have both of them associated with the same program source? |
| [23:05:12] | jams: | so yes |
| [23:05:21] | hachi: | I'm no expert, but that would be the first guess for me |
| [23:05:48] | tgm4883_laptop: | jams, awesome, cause I'm getting some serious fragmentation issues on one of my xfs drives |
| [23:05:49] | FisherPrice: | hachi: as in the same grabber for the channel information... yes |
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| [23:45:34] | oipunx: | hello |
| [23:46:11] | oipunx: | i got debian 64bit and ive been trying to get analog tv to work with hauppage wintv dvr 1800 for the past weeks but no luck so far |
| [23:46:25] | oipunx: | anyone been able to get 1800 analog to work ? |
| [23:46:29] | iamlindoro: | Should have come in weeks ago ;) |
| [23:46:34] | oipunx: | lol |
| [23:46:35] | iamlindoro: | can't use analog on the 1800 w/ MythTV |
| [23:46:47] | oipunx: | well i tried all other programs |
| [23:46:49] | iamlindoro: | wasn't that easy? ;) |
| [23:47:08] | iamlindoro: | other programs don't matter, can't do it with Myth currently. |
| [23:47:45] | oipunx: | im not talking about mythtv.. |
| [23:48:00] | iamlindoro: | Well... then why are you here? |
| [23:48:18] | oipunx: | cuz this is the only channel that i can find about linux tv |
| [23:48:23] | iamlindoro: | #linuxtv |
| [23:48:31] | justinh: | apart from #bah iamlindoro |
| [23:48:35] | justinh: | :) |
| [23:48:37] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [23:49:12] | oipunx: | oh ok didnt even know that was on this server |
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| [23:52:36] | FisherPrice: | I have card with two tuners, so I can switch using the "y" key. The OSD on Tuner1 shows the program information, but Tuner2 doesn't. Does anyone know how to fix this? |
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| [23:53:41] | kormoc: | attach program info to tuner2? |
| [23:54:29] | Dagmar: | Surely he's done that already |
| [23:54:34] | Dagmar: | Oh wait... |
| [23:54:37] | Dagmar: | </deadpan> |
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| [23:55:38] | FisherPrice: | kormoc: OK, so... how? |
| [23:55:50] | FisherPrice: | my grabber is also connected to that input |
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| [23:56:34] | wagnerrp: | you know, its a bit disturbing when i think about how much ive spent on computer cases over the years |
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