| Thursday, January 15th, 2009, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:42] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/popup.png |
| [00:01:44] | gbee: | I use a TV, which distributes the image to anyone in the room |
| [00:01:49] | iamlindoro: | There we go, that's getting somewhere |
| [00:03:05] | gbee: | looks great |
| [00:03:24] | iamlindoro: | thanks... haven't quit figure out how to do the button variation for "selected" yet |
| [00:03:25] | lwizardl: | gbee, looking to have multiple displays feed from one mythtv box (all getting a static feed not interactive |
| [00:03:31] | inordkuo: | hi all. i'm having an issue with my hd-pvr recordings showing solid blue on one particular channel where the video should be. |
| [00:03:36] | iamlindoro: | as in, how to draw it, that is |
| [00:03:46] | gbee: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_popupmenu.png |
| [00:03:54] | gbee: | I forgot the arrows ... |
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| [00:04:25] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: That looks nice :) |
| [00:04:29] | iamlindoro: | Heh, figured you had something in mind... |
| [00:04:31] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, thanks |
| [00:04:37] | GreyFoxx: | I like that with the fade effect |
| [00:04:51] | iamlindoro: | Put the little "shine" on top on all the semitransparent windows, I think it makes it a little less plain |
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| [00:05:27] | iamlindoro: | This OpenGL draw order thingis driving me insane |
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| [00:05:50] | iamlindoro: | I *really* want to be able to use negative co-ordinates, but press a key and everything is misordered |
| [00:06:53] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: See that picture I put up last night about the exit popup not going way if you use a jumpppoint while it's on screen? Any idea where to look for that ? |
| [00:07:32] | GreyFoxx: | For instance causing it to popup and then hitting my Watch Recordings jump results in : http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/pics/badpopup.png |
| [00:07:59] | GreyFoxx: | Doesn't happen wiht the popups from Watch Recordings or MythVideo |
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| [00:08:12] | justinp_home: | Hiya, folks |
| [00:08:15] | gbee: | mythmainwindow, the jumppoint handling should probably close everything in the popup stack, but I'm not 100% certain that's the correct solution ... maybe jumppoints should be blocked if there are popups onscreen instead |
| [00:08:27] | justinp_home: | Anybody have experience working with an SA3250HD over firewire? |
| [00:08:35] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: Blocking them is probably better |
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| [00:09:36] | gbee: | yeah, I think it is, less chance of discarding something important or which requires a reponse to complete an action |
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| [00:10:28] | GreyFoxx: | exactly |
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| [00:11:12] | GreyFoxx: | hehe mythgame now consists of an almost empty main.cpp and all of the ui/tree stuff commented out heh |
| [00:11:49] | iamlindoro: | Heh, Mythgame wasn't that spectacular to begin with ;) |
| [00:11:53] | gbee: | the popups in mythvideo etc are probably parented to the classes which opened them, I should know the answer to that but I'm blanking it right now, anyway that would mean they are destroyed along with the mythvideo screens when we back out for the jumppoints |
| [00:12:06] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, So you're planning on artwork/cover support for it, eh? |
| [00:12:23] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: It already supports that |
| [00:12:32] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, well, it supports screenshots |
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| [00:12:41] | iamlindoro: | but not artwork, no? |
| [00:12:44] | GreyFoxx: | you define a screenshot location, and it looks for a a |
| [00:12:56] | iamlindoro: | ie cover art |
| [00:12:58] | GreyFoxx: | identically named image |
| [00:13:03] | GreyFoxx: | no, no screenshot support |
| [00:13:06] | GreyFoxx: | just covers |
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| [00:13:35] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: well techinically I'd guess it could be any old image? |
| [00:13:36] | GreyFoxx: | so if you are place TG16/moo.pce it will look for moo.jpg, moo.png, moo.gif in the screenshot location |
| [00:13:53] | gbee: | eww, gif |
| [00:13:53] | GreyFoxx: | I meant it take a screenshot |
| [00:14:02] | GreyFoxx: | it will display an "image" , whatever it happens to be :) |
| [00:14:29] | GreyFoxx: | It's not stored in the database or anything, just checks it's being diplayed |
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| [00:14:44] | GreyFoxx: | At least that's how it currently works |
| [00:15:07] | gbee: | could support both, at least in mythvideo and elsewhere you will be able to display the poster, fan art and a screenshot onscreen at the same time |
| [00:15:15] | GreyFoxx: | I'm wondering if there are any good current metadata and covershotsources out there now |
| [00:15:18] | iamlindoro: | right... any plans on expanding on... ^^ yeah |
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| [00:16:56] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: HAven't really put a lot of thought into that really. but I will be adding the scan option right to the display tree like in mythvideo |
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| [00:17:20] | GreyFoxx: | and let a user do an indepth scan after the fact and not right at the main scan if they want for pulling in the detailed info |
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| [00:18:44] | gbee: | GreyFoxx, iamlindoro, gbee: topic please |
| [00:19:21] | GreyFoxx: | hahahaha |
| [00:19:25] | iamlindoro: | heh |
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| [00:21:08] | xim010: | anyone know of a USB HDTV receiver that works well with current kernels? |
| [00:21:24] | xim010: | I am in the US |
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| [00:27:38] | justinp_home: | Anybody have any experience with firewire connections to an STB? |
| [00:28:03] | justinp_home: | I have an SA3250HD, but for some reason the sa3250ch script is sending odd values to the box |
| [00:28:25] | justinp_home: | For example, sa3250ch 6 is changing the box to channel 158 |
| [00:28:56] | justinp_home: | adding -v gives me: |
| [00:28:57] | justinp_home: | node 0: vendor_id = 0x00001692 model_id = 0x00000be0 |
| [00:28:57] | justinp_home: | AV/C Command: 006 = cmd0=0x00487ce7 cmd2=0x04363030 cmd3=0xff000000 |
| [00:28:57] | justinp_home: | AV/C Command: 006 = cmd0=0x00487c67 cmd2=0x04303036 cmd3=0xff000000 |
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| [00:49:58] | jesse: | Hey, where do I learn about all them icons that appear on the show summary? |
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| [00:50:18] | iamlindoro: | press f1 |
| [00:50:31] | jesse: | Man, who knew? Thanks! |
| [00:50:34] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [00:52:26] | inordkuo: | ok the issue i'm having intermittently with the hd-pvr on one channel showing solid blue in place of video does not seem to be a mythtv problem. changing the channel up and down fixes it. |
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| [00:54:25] | inordkuo: | now my issue is that if i modify my firewire channel change script to change the stb to do a channel change then set to a different channel and back live tv crashes |
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| [01:09:04] | simcop2387: | yay i got my Sony SAT-B55 working with myth! |
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| [01:12:33] | simcop2387: | should i create a page detailing how to get it working on the wiki? if so what should i name it? "Sony SAT B-55" |
| [01:12:36] | simcop2387: | ? |
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| [01:23:06] | wagnerrp: | simcop2387: can you do anything special with it? like capture over firewire? or capture over anything but analog? |
| [01:24:14] | simcop2387: | wagnerrp: no its just channel changing over serial, but a working script for it doesn't exist, as does what kind of cable you need |
| [01:25:10] | wagnerrp: | may as well put your serial control script up |
| [01:25:34] | wagnerrp: | and the pinouts of whatever special cable you need |
| [01:29:45] | simcop2387: | well the pinouts aren't a big deal you just need a cable that does all 9 pins straight through, i found an old old script thats not included with myth at all that i'll clean up and make nicer |
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| [01:38:06] | GreyFoxx: | Khan is dead :( |
| [01:39:15] | simcop2387: | i know :( |
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| [01:42:51] | Mercer5: | hey guys |
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| [02:17:45] | phunyguy: | ok, is this normal? I have a DVB HD tuner card... |
| [02:18:05] | phunyguy: | eats 1 CPU core to 100% while playing content from my OTA antenna |
| [02:18:25] | phunyguy: | using ffmpeg and kernel deinterlacing |
| [02:18:38] | phunyguy: | THAT is what is causing my EPG slowdowns. |
| [02:18:58] | phunyguy: | mind you it is a dual core Athlon X2 5400 CPU |
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| [02:24:52] | iamlindoro: | Depending on resolution, codec, encoding options, and your system, it's not unusual to max out the processor |
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| [02:33:19] | netrix: | hi. i have two quick questions about mythmusic. |
| [02:33:30] | netrix: | is the database for music shared across frontends? for example do i only need to do scan for new music on one frontend? |
| [02:33:35] | netrix: | is it the same for the ratings as well? |
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| [02:33:50] | jams: | it's shared for both questions |
| [02:34:02] | netrix: | jams: thanks. |
| [02:34:25] | jams: | welcome |
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| [02:36:22] | unimaginative: | bleh |
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| [02:36:30] | unimaginative: | can't get the wife off the TV long enough to scan channels |
| [02:38:00] | unimaginative: | jams, so i can set up the music directories,etc on one frontend, and those settings will automagically transfer to the others? |
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| [02:48:23] | phunyguy: | iamlindoro: thanks. i set it to ffmpeg, and its 1080p on the TV, not sure what the actual feed is. DVI to HDMI going to TV... |
| [02:48:37] | phunyguy: | 2 gigs PC2–800 RAM |
| [02:48:46] | phunyguy: | like i said before X2 5400 Processor |
| [02:48:53] | phunyguy: | (2.8 gig) |
| [02:50:09] | phunyguy: | is there a way to assign certain processes to certain cores? lol... |
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| [02:50:21] | phunyguy: | because only one core is being eaten alive but the video doesn't skip at all... |
| [02:50:58] | phunyguy: | the X server process is the one pegging the CPU. |
| [02:52:28] | simcop2387: | is there any way to say that two video sources channel numbers are equivalent, or is there an easy way to say that one video source DOESN'T have some channels? |
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| [02:58:40] | phunyguy: | channel editor? |
| [02:58:55] | phunyguy: | you can edit the channels for each. |
| [03:00:25] | simcop2387: | yea you can edit them but i don't see a way to say that its the same as some other channel |
| [03:00:37] | phunyguy: | why would you need to do that? |
| [03:00:42] | phunyguy: | the tuners will be prioritized |
| [03:01:04] | phunyguy: | should autoselect, no? |
| [03:04:35] | Anduin: | simcop2387: channels with the same callsign will be seen as the same, you can also just delete one |
| [03:04:39] | sphery: | iamlindoro: #6131 --might be worth a comment/reply |
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| [03:05:41] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: how are you going to release you new theme? |
| [03:06:12] | mersault: | What's the best way for me to get digital OTA listings for Toronto? I can find all the channels I get in the Rogers Digital Cable lineup, but on the wrong channels. Buffalo's OTA listing has about 70% of what I get, and Toronto's listings have about 50%. |
| [03:06:46] | Anduin: | mersault: SD? |
| [03:07:23] | Mercer5: | hey guys |
| [03:07:31] | mersault: | Well, there's a combination of SD and HD, but it's all digital. I'm using an HDHR that I just got today. |
| [03:07:34] | Mercer5: | i have problems w/ my stb and recording over firewire :( |
| [03:07:37] | iamlindoro: | Anduin, I guess just a tarball somewhere or another at the time of the .22 release |
| [03:07:56] | phunyguy: | sphery! |
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| [03:08:05] | phunyguy: | sup dude, i figured out it's not the EPG |
| [03:08:06] | sphery: | phunyguy: still having delay issues? |
| [03:08:09] | Anduin: | mersault: sorry, schedules direct? |
| [03:08:11] | sphery: | what is it? |
| [03:08:17] | phunyguy: | one core is always pegged while watching live TV |
| [03:08:25] | phunyguy: | (FYI it's HD) |
| [03:08:40] | phunyguy: | so i'm wondering if that's the reason... |
| [03:08:48] | wagnerrp: | is there any program i can use to do a sanity check on my lircrc? |
| [03:08:52] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Ahhh yeah-- I actually mentioned it to the mythbuntu folks on the day the newest release came out but got a "works fine here" |
| [03:08:53] | mersault: | Anduin: ah, sorry, yes I'm using schedules direct. I've checked out the forums, and people have some American zip codes listed, but no one lineup has all the stations I get |
| [03:08:57] | sphery: | so that would explain why it gets better (but not fixed) when you choose a low-resource deinterlacer. |
| [03:09:00] | wagnerrp: | everything looks fine to me |
| [03:09:04] | phunyguy: | yes. |
| [03:09:04] | wagnerrp: | but mythtv complains about the file |
| [03:09:17] | wagnerrp: | and doesnt report what line it barfs at |
| [03:09:18] | phunyguy: | the TV is set to 1080p... |
| [03:09:24] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, figured you could mention it on the ticket for anyone else reading it. (Though, if it's locked, may have to reply to the list.) |
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| [03:09:40] | sphery: | phunyguy: what CPU? |
| [03:09:41] | phunyguy: | i'm wondering if dumbing down to 720p will do it.. |
| [03:09:54] | phunyguy: | AMD X2 5400 (2.8 ghz dual core) |
| [03:10:04] | iamlindoro: | phunyguy, Output resolution isn't really your issue |
| [03:10:07] | sphery: | what's the HDTV? US? |
| [03:10:10] | phunyguy: | yeah |
| [03:10:12] | iamlindoro: | it's decoding the input that's the problem |
| [03:10:13] | phunyguy: | Over the air |
| [03:10:19] | sphery: | That's more than enough for ATSC decoding... |
| [03:10:25] | phunyguy: | i though the card did that iamlindoro |
| [03:10:25] | iamlindoro: | that said, that CPU should handle US HD just fine |
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| [03:10:27] | wagnerrp: | an X2 5400 should have no trouble doing anything ATSC |
| [03:10:40] | sphery: | I have an Athlon X2 4800+ that can do 2x timestretch on 1080i and 720p with 1080p output. |
| [03:10:52] | phunyguy: | so why is my cpu pegging? lol.. |
| [03:10:54] | iamlindoro: | phunyguy, The card streams it to disk-- then to display it you have to decode it and display it-- displaying it is easy, decoding it is sometimes not |
| [03:11:00] | Mercer5: | jesus man, i hate this shit |
| [03:11:05] | sphery: | phunyguy: that's always the question... :) |
| [03:11:06] | iamlindoro: | If X is maxed out I would presume video driver issues |
| [03:11:14] | phunyguy: | nvidia... |
| [03:11:17] | phunyguy: | 177 |
| [03:11:23] | phunyguy: | proprietary... |
| [03:11:26] | iamlindoro: | try upgrading to the newest stable |
| [03:11:29] | sphery: | how did you install it? with a package or with the nvidia installer script? |
| [03:11:33] | Anduin: | mersault: being on the wrong channel would just require some manual xmltvid changing in the channel editor |
| [03:11:39] | phunyguy: | it was prepackaged with mythbuntu |
| [03:11:49] | wagnerrp: | you can prepackage nvidia drivers? |
| [03:11:54] | phunyguy: | yes |
| [03:11:59] | phunyguy: | you have to enable them after OS install |
| [03:12:04] | phunyguy: | with a disclaimer |
| [03:12:09] | mersault: | Anduin: from in the mythtv-setup app, or over mythweb? |
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| [03:12:24] | mersault: | I've never modified the channel list before, what values am I looking to swap? |
| [03:12:29] | wagnerrp: | you actually enable them? or you click something that goes off, downloads and installs? |
| [03:12:30] | iamlindoro: | Anduin, so why do you ask about the theme, btw? |
| [03:12:32] | Anduin: | mersault: mythweb can probably do it, I don't use it often enough to know anything beyond scheduling |
| [03:12:44] | phunyguy: | maybe thats the case wagnerrp |
| [03:12:52] | phunyguy: | it grabs it via package manager |
| [03:12:54] | phunyguy: | forgot |
| [03:12:56] | Shadow_M: | mersault, mythweb can do it |
| [03:12:58] | phunyguy: | but it includes a script |
| [03:13:09] | phunyguy: | leave me alone :) |
| [03:13:20] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: curious about trying to find alternatives for terra, I'd like to not be the one who keeps MythCenter alive |
| [03:13:22] | sphery: | phunyguy: the video driver thing is a definite possibility. There's also http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Prebuffering_pause which might help. |
| [03:13:38] | wagnerrp: | awww... now i see why GreyFoxx said Kahn was dead |
| [03:13:51] | sphery: | phunyguy: you said you have Option "UseEvents" "true", right? |
| [03:14:14] | mersault: | Anduin, Shadow_M, I found the section in mythweb and I can see the field for xmltvid. Where do I find the correct values for these? |
| [03:14:20] | iamlindoro: | Anduin, Heh, well I know your thoughts on going theme stuff, :) |
| [03:14:32] | iamlindoro: | er doing |
| [03:14:34] | Shadow_M: | mersault, on schedules dirct |
| [03:14:39] | sphery: | mersault: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XMLTV_ID |
| [03:14:40] | phunyguy: | yes Sphery |
| [03:14:43] | Shadow_M: | usually under preview line up |
| [03:14:48] | wagnerrp: | seems woot got an unnecessary make over |
| [03:14:53] | sphery: | phunyguy: what video card? |
| [03:15:00] | phunyguy: | i think its driver, the same thing happened on my other card |
| [03:15:09] | phunyguy: | it is onboard nvidia geforce 8200 |
| [03:15:15] | phunyguy: | with HDMI out |
| [03:15:20] | sphery: | phunyguy: there's also an option--something about composite and textures--that generally has to be either true or false, but I don't know which |
| [03:15:22] | simcop2387: | Anduin: what about say.., "FOOD" and "FOODHD"? |
| [03:15:24] | phunyguy: | i would use the HDMI but i cant get audio over it, lol. |
| [03:15:43] | phunyguy: | (another alsa issue) |
| [03:16:19] | Anduin: | mersault: Umm, this is the part that sucks, you need to find if they are switched or check the data to what is actually on. |
| [03:16:46] | Anduin: | simcop2387: those will not match |
| [03:18:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: How you like this custom LCD boot screen: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/CF634_boot.jpg |
| [03:18:41] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: I actually like blue (the color, the theme is ick) so I secretly hope someone gives is a facelift, I also hope 0.22 has a few good new themes to choose from |
| [03:18:44] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Hey, I like it! |
| [03:18:44] | sphery: | phunyguy: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/361082#361082 |
| [03:18:57] | RobertLaptop: | I am having issues with my commandir transmitter what are other people using to control cable boxes? |
| [03:19:11] | iamlindoro: | Anduin, I have another I'm thinking about for after this one, so hopefully there will be lots of choices |
| [03:19:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Too bad I couldn't do that for LCDs in general... it's a feature of the CrystalFontz 634 – saved in it's eeprom and displayed on powerup... ;-) |
| [03:19:43] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Bummer, that's really nice |
| [03:20:03] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: cant you do something similar if you tweak usplash? |
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| [03:20:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: Probably could... would have to be specific to each LCD type then... anything is possible though. ;-) |
| [03:20:59] | clever: | usplash is informed about the bootup progress at regular intervals to update the graphic image |
| [03:21:01] | clever: | add in a lcd module and it could do anything with the lcd |
| [03:21:07] | sphery: | can you do VESA modes on that type of LCD? |
| [03:22:01] | sphery: | guess maybe with framebuffer, if that's possible |
| [03:22:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: This is a 20x4 character lcd,,, Actually, it's 3 bars of 120 pixels... thus the clear horizontal graphics possible. (Still only 8 custom chars though like most character LCDs) |
| [03:23:13] | clever: | i remember the c64 video chip |
| [03:23:32] | clever: | you could setup a grid onscreen of 8x8 characters, covering 64 different characters |
| [03:23:39] | clever: | then edit the font memory to do graphics |
| [03:23:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: The "mythTV" logo is actually 6 of the 8 custom characters. Since the caracters can be 6x8 and touch on this display, it looks really nice. ;-) |
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| [03:26:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: My initial focus is going to be improvements to the existing character LCD support. But I do want to 'graduate' into graphical LCDs too. ;-) |
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| [03:28:37] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: cool... I was just asking because my understanding is that usplash (and splashy) both use either VESA modes or direct framebuffer access, so I thought clever was thinking of a different kind of LCD... |
| [03:30:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: It's probably possible to bit-bang the parallel port at boot to initialize an attached LCD, but I don't know if anything exists for that yet... Another thought is to program a PIC chip to a preset 'boot' screen, similar to what the CF634 is doing... |
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| [03:30:54] | sphery: | of course, I fully admit to not knowing anything about them since I really like the text-based boot sequence |
| [03:31:44] | iamlindoro: | Anduin, Well, I think if I were going to do a MythCenter-type thing it would probably be a theme that tried to do what MythCenter was *supposed* to be (an analog of the MCE interface) rather than update the existing one |
| [03:34:17] | mersault: | hmmm, I've added the xmltvid to all the channels I get, but I'm missing the guide data for three of the channels. would there be another xmltvid for these channels possibly? Or is this data just missing from SD? |
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| [03:36:37] | iamlindoro: | mersault, in addition to adding the XMLtvIDs, you also need to make sure that those IDs exist in lineups you have set up on SD |
| [03:37:01] | iamlindoro: | so XMLTVid 12345 might be the right one, but to get listings, it ALSO needs to exist in one of the lineups you have set up there |
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| [03:41:00] | mersault: | huzzah, I found one out of three wasn't enabled in SD, and a second mythfilldatabase filled in data later tonight for the rest |
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| [03:42:39] | mersault: | in particular, it now lists colbert and daily show, which is really all I cared about :) |
| [03:43:10] | davez0r: | anyone seen this before? my combined fe/be has gotten really sluggish, essentially unusable. I turned up the verbosity in the log and I get the same 5 messages repeating |
| [03:43:26] | davez0r: | 2009-01–14 08:49:06.455 MythSocket(26437d0:21): DownRef: 1 |
| [03:43:26] | davez0r: | 2009-01–14 08:49:06.463 MythSocket(25ef8d0:18): UpRef: 2 |
| [03:43:41] | davez0r: | 2009-01–14 08:49:06.471 MythSocket(25ef8d0:18): DownRef: 1 |
| [03:43:41] | davez0r: | 2009-01–14 08:49:06.479 MythSocket(26437d0:21): UpRef: 2 |
| [03:43:48] | davez0r: | 2009-01–14 08:49:06.487 write -> 21 45 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]SCHEDULE_CHANGE[]:[]empty |
| [03:44:01] | davez0r: | that just repeats over and over |
| [03:45:12] | phunyguy: | OK, latest update sphery... |
| [03:45:28] | phunyguy: | or anyone |
| [03:45:37] | phunyguy: | i was correct originally |
| [03:45:44] | phunyguy: | the playback when i first start livetv is fine |
| [03:45:51] | phunyguy: | cpu for the X process is at 5% |
| [03:46:00] | phunyguy: | mythfrontend averages 20% cpu load |
| [03:46:05] | phunyguy: | so its decent.. |
| [03:46:13] | phunyguy: | as soon as i trigger the program guide it jumps |
| [03:46:25] | phunyguy: | and stays up even after the program guide finally closes |
| [03:46:29] | mersault: | thanks everyone! |
| [03:46:36] | mersault: | I'm up and running |
| [03:46:41] | phunyguy: | so thats what confused me |
| [03:46:48] | phunyguy: | it is definitely triggered by the program guide |
| [03:46:50] | sphery: | phunyguy: driver options |
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| [03:47:02] | phunyguy: | still think driver? |
| [03:47:12] | sphery: | phunyguy: did you read that link i gave you |
| [03:47:15] | phunyguy: | yes. |
| [03:47:17] | sphery: | yep |
| [03:47:18] | phunyguy: | that was all video though |
| [03:47:24] | phunyguy: | all playback of HD content |
| [03:47:36] | phunyguy: | this is definitely triggered by the EPG |
| [03:47:48] | phunyguy: | and stays up even after EPG is closed and back to watching just live TV |
| [03:47:53] | phunyguy: | stays pegged |
| [03:47:54] | sphery: | due to driver config |
| [03:48:03] | phunyguy: | so you think the EPG is confusing the driver? |
| [03:48:04] | sphery: | almost definitely |
| [03:48:10] | sphery: | nope |
| [03:48:15] | phunyguy: | vice versa? |
| [03:48:19] | sphery: | driver misconfig'ed |
| [03:48:27] | phunyguy: | should i revert to 173? |
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| [03:49:09] | sphery: | you'll likely have to play with driver options and/or versions |
| [03:49:10] | jesse: | Hey ho. Anyone know doodlysquat about viewing youtube videos with mythtv? mplayer seems to be failing on some flash videos. |
| [03:49:27] | jesse: | Good Lord, sphery, do you ever leave this channel? |
| [03:49:35] | sphery: | jesse: mythvodka for 0.21-fixes |
| [03:50:01] | jesse: | sphery: What's mythvodka? |
| [03:50:06] | sphery: | jesse: mythtube for trunk (might make it into 0.22) |
| [03:50:21] | Chutt: | mythvodka as is certainly won't |
| [03:50:38] | Chutt: | tos violations for its video sources :p |
| [03:50:41] | sphery: | right but myhthtube? |
| [03:50:58] | sphery: | jesse: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythStreams |
| [03:51:05] | jesse: | Well, I was using info center news feeds to see youtube as it is. |
| [03:51:14] | sphery: | but, it seems there are legal issues, so |
| [03:51:25] | jesse: | It's not really mythtv that's screwing up, but mplayer. |
| [03:51:39] | jesse: | FATAL: Cannot initialize video driver. |
| [03:51:39] | jesse: | |
| [03:52:11] | sphery: | there's also using EXEC to create a menu item that brings up Firefox or whatever and goes to youtube.com |
| [03:52:37] | sphery: | (not great for remote only nav, though :) |
| [03:53:03] | jesse: | I don't have a remote yet, but I still would like to get mplayer to work. |
| [03:53:47] | sphery: | I can't help with that, but might want to look at the other options, too. |
| [03:53:57] | jesse: | Ok. |
| [03:54:27] | jesse: | I guess mythvodka is a bit too bleeding edge to be an Ubuntu package, huh? |
| [03:54:45] | sphery: | either that or the licensing issues are keeping it out. :) |
| [03:55:16] | sphery: | s/licensing/ToS/ |
| [03:55:25] | jesse: | sphery: I'd like to talk to you later about another plan I have. |
| [03:55:55] | sphery: | (for some reason I always put "licensing" before "issues" when talking about *buntu) |
| [03:56:03] | sphery: | what plan? |
| [03:56:10] | jesse: | I want to copy certain files and database entries onto a portable hard drive so I have a portable myth backend. |
| [03:56:26] | jesse: | In the summer, I spend some time on the road. |
| [03:56:40] | sphery: | I should probably mention what I do (I do a lot of traveling, also) |
| [03:56:53] | jesse: | My temporary solution is to copy the files onto the hard drive and use mythtv to view them. |
| [03:57:03] | jesse: | But a real geek wouldn't be satisfied with that. |
| [03:57:32] | sphery: | I use mythrename.pl --link to create a directory of easy-to-read filenames (actually 5 directories, differently sorted), then copy the files to my laptop using the link name, then play back with xine... |
| [03:57:36] | jesse: | Now, I'm not half the geek you are, I'm sure. That's why I think your advice would be helpful. |
| [03:57:51] | jesse: | Oh. |
| [03:57:58] | jesse: | Geez. |
| [03:58:10] | jesse: | I thought you were more of a purist than that. |
| [03:58:20] | sphery: | I had once considered making a MythTraveler or whatever plugin that allowed pulling select recordings/metadata/commflag data/cutlists/etc from the DB, but just playing it back with a normal media player was /sooo/ much easier. |
| [03:58:30] | jesse: | You understand the databases and everything. |
| [03:58:32] | sphery: | and I can skip commercials with about 3–5 keypresses, so... |
| [03:59:07] | jesse: | I must say, I'm a bit disappointed. But, still, when I decide to do this, I'd like to ask you about the database tables. |
| [03:59:27] | sphery: | If you're looking to write the code, it can be done. I just didn't feel it was worth my time. (There were plenty of other things I wanted to do with Myth to keep me busy.) |
| [03:59:53] | jesse: | Ah. See, as my wife keeps telling me, my time is pretty much valueless. |
| [04:00:03] | sphery: | The sad thing is that this way, I actually watch more TV on my 15.4" laptop using xine than I do on my 67" HDTV using Myth. (Since I have more time for watching TV when on the road.) |
| [04:00:06] | jesse: | That's the life of an adjunct philosophy prof. |
| [04:00:11] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:00:30] | jesse: | Yeah, I have more time on the road, too. |
| [04:00:53] | jesse: | 67"? Geez. You're made of money. |
| [04:01:04] | sphery: | no, I just don't spend any money, except on hobbies. |
| [04:01:40] | sphery: | people walk into my house and see how empty it is and say, "So, did you just move in?" I answer, "Yeah, 10 years ago." |
| [04:02:42] | jesse: | Well, I'd like to write some rudimentary scripts some day for this project. But my semester is about to start, so it'll have to wait. |
| [04:03:12] | sphery: | If nothing else, mythrename.pl --link is a great way to get enough metadata to allow you to decide what to watch (what order). |
| [04:03:15] | ** iamlindoro looks at sphery's puny TV ** | |
| [04:03:18] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [04:03:33] | jesse: | sphery: Right. I've been using it so far. |
| [04:04:35] | sphery: | I have a wrapper script that calls it 5 times creating differently-sorted dirs... http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythlink.sh |
| [04:04:59] | sphery: | though I almost always use the original_airdate directory for copying files for on the road |
| [04:05:46] | sphery: | iamlindoro: is yours widescreen? |
| [04:05:50] | jesse: | I'll have a look at that. Up 'til now, I've had a simple script for copying files over, because my portable HD was bigger than my HD. |
| [04:05:55] | iamlindoro: | sphery, yes |
| [04:06:09] | sphery: | where'd you get the screen, or are you using the wall? |
| [04:06:15] | jesse: | Now I've got to find a good way to select what to copy. |
| [04:06:26] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Bought it at the same time as the projector |
| [04:07:03] | sphery: | jesse: yeah, that's the challenge... I haven't written one up, yet... I usually just get all the eps of the series I select for that week. |
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| [04:07:17] | sphery: | iamlindoro: it's a widescreen screen and it's 106"? |
| [04:07:18] | jesse: | Also, I will use laptops with two different mythbackend servers (one in my home, one elsewhere). I'll have to find a simple way to change their configuration. |
| [04:07:23] | sphery: | iamlindoro: got a link? |
| [04:07:33] | iamlindoro: | sphery, To the screen? Sure |
| [04:07:40] | jesse: | Perhaps symlinks can do the trick? |
| [04:08:00] | sphery: | jesse: the most important thing is to have the exact same version of mythtv on both systems... |
| [04:08:23] | jesse: | sphery: Shouldn't be a problem, now that I've converted my machines to ubuntu. |
| [04:08:27] | iamlindoro: | sphery, http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/442815- . . . ed_Gray.html |
| [04:08:39] | sphery: | iamlindoro: thx... A friend has a projector on his Myth box (and he plans to replace it when the bulb needs replacing), and now that he has HDTV, widescreen would be good. |
| [04:09:12] | iamlindoro: | I love the screen, it's really nice (mine is the above, but non-motorized) |
| [04:09:16] | sphery: | iamlindoro: and jesse thought I was made of money... That's just the screen. :) |
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| [04:09:45] | sphery: | cool. I'm IM'ing that link to the friend |
| [04:10:18] | jesse: | What's the maximum quality that you've found works over wireless g reasonably well? |
| [04:10:24] | jesse: | How many gigs/hour? |
| [04:11:09] | sphery: | I've only done wired (100Mb switches minimum) |
| [04:11:52] | iamlindoro: | At last, stupid stupid dialog boxes done |
| [04:12:02] | sphery: | all of them? |
| [04:12:07] | jesse: | Well, I s'pose I should get some sleep. I'm sure the two of you will still be here in the morning. |
| [04:12:18] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:13:03] | iamlindoro: | sphery, All of the MythUI'd ones |
| [04:13:03] | sphery: | I was thinking of working in the shop, instead of on Myth, tomorrow... We'll see who wins, tomorrow, though. |
| [04:13:05] | tritium: | jesse: depends on way to many factors to simply summarize it like that |
| [04:13:16] | sphery: | iamlindoro: cool |
| [04:13:23] | jesse: | tritium: What sort of factors? |
| [04:13:28] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Which is not *that* many in the grand scheme of things |
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| [04:13:42] | jesse: | tritium: Something besides signal strength? |
| [04:13:54] | tritium: | jesse: sure, physical surroundings, for one |
| [04:13:55] | sphery: | iamlindoro: still a big percentage compared to total screens, right? |
| [04:14:02] | jesse: | sphery: Shop? |
| [04:14:09] | sphery: | woodworking |
| [04:14:13] | jesse: | Keen. |
| [04:14:23] | jesse: | I like woodworking. |
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| [04:14:43] | sphery: | I haven't done enough in the last few years, so I'm trying to get back into it, again. |
| [04:14:46] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Hmm... I think it is, but *only* because so many inherit from basedialog |
| [04:14:48] | jesse: | I have a couple of projects waiting in my basement. Small stuff. Refinishing work, really. |
| [04:14:57] | iamlindoro: | sphery, still a fair number of the custom ones to go |
| [04:16:08] | sphery: | jesse: That's impressive. I refinished an antique whiskey cabinet once--started by giving advice to a friend, who started and decided it was too much work, so she asked me to finish it for her. I spent more time refinishing it than I would have spent rebuilding a replica from scratch. That's when I decided I don't have the patience for refinishing. |
| [04:16:31] | sphery: | iamlindoro: well, it's still a respectable chunk finished. |
| [04:16:39] | jesse: | sphery: No, my jobs are much simpler. |
| [04:16:58] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Certainly it's most of the stuff I personally use every day |
| [04:17:13] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I am moderately resentful about having to do work that benefits live TV users :) |
| [04:17:16] | jesse: | sphery: Just some radiator covers for now. I used to work in a campus shop, refinishing dorm furniture. |
| [04:17:31] | phunyguy: | ok yeah sphery, no go on the new drivers, updated – did the same thing. |
| [04:17:36] | phunyguy: | and i did find out something else |
| [04:17:40] | sphery: | iamlindoro: understood |
| [04:17:45] | jesse: | sphery: Until they fired me for completely unfair reasons. Tain't my fault God made me a lazy bastard. |
| [04:17:48] | phunyguy: | i can maximize another window – like my xterm running htop |
| [04:17:55] | phunyguy: | and the cpu usage drops again |
| [04:18:02] | phunyguy: | until i put that damn channel guide back in view |
| [04:18:05] | phunyguy: | so its drivers. |
| [04:18:05] | sphery: | jesse: heh |
| [04:18:18] | phunyguy: | (nice, jesse) |
| [04:18:35] | sphery: | phunyguy: I'm thinking drivers... |
| [04:18:36] | phunyguy: | i also have the EPG cpu usage at low |
| [04:18:40] | phunyguy: | yeah |
| [04:18:45] | phunyguy: | but i upgraded! |
| [04:18:46] | phunyguy: | :( |
| [04:18:48] | ** sphery walks around with a big driver above his head ** | |
| [04:19:03] | phunyguy: | this is we-todd-did |
| [04:19:05] | sphery: | (like the Arby's commercial that you guys have probably never seen because you use Myth/commflagging) |
| [04:19:12] | phunyguy: | haha i dont use it yet |
| [04:19:33] | phunyguy: | my fav is the one where the guys wife dresses in an arby's uniform and surpises him with it like for sexy time |
| [04:19:41] | phunyguy: | +r |
| [04:20:03] | phunyguy: | she comes out with some sex music playing in the background |
| [04:20:18] | phunyguy: | and the arby's sign pops above his head like he pops wood. |
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| [04:20:23] | phunyguy: | boioioioiioing |
| [04:20:25] | sphery: | phunyguy: might want to send an e-mail to the -users list and summarize what you've found/how to repro it. Chances are Daniel will respond with some good info regarding driver config options to look at |
| [04:20:39] | sphery: | haven't seen that one |
| [04:20:43] | phunyguy: | oh its good |
| [04:20:47] | phunyguy: | probably banned by now |
| [04:21:04] | sphery: | yeah, surprising it ever aired in the US |
| [04:21:09] | phunyguy: | it was awesome |
| [04:21:21] | phunyguy: | heh |
| [04:21:28] | phunyguy: | shes like "I got a suprise for you!!" |
| [04:21:31] | phunyguy: | hes layin in bed |
| [04:21:39] | phunyguy: | she comes out in the uniform holding a tray of food... |
| [04:21:47] | sphery: | iamlindoro: is this yours? http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/442826- . . . d_Frame.html Why is the fixed one the same price as the motorized one? |
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| [04:21:50] | phunyguy: | "boioioioing" up goes the arby's sign above his head |
| [04:22:28] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Yes, that's mine, and I recall paying a fair bit less for it a few years ago |
| [04:22:29] | phunyguy: | ok, -users mailing list (back to business) |
| [04:22:43] | phunyguy: | i have never mailed to a list before |
| [04:22:46] | phunyguy: | this should be interesting |
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| [04:22:57] | iamlindoro: | sphery, http://www.buy.com/prod/panoview-gray-wolf-ii . . . 2474126.html |
| [04:23:06] | iamlindoro: | That's who I bought it through, $300 |
| [04:24:53] | sphery: | nice |
| [04:27:11] | sphery: | time to get back to scrubs |
| [04:28:29] | iamlindoro: | Love that show |
| [04:28:37] | iamlindoro: | even though I hate ABC right now |
| [04:29:07] | Shadow_M: | whats wrong with abc |
| [04:29:16] | Shadow_M: | you guys have a fight? |
| [04:29:31] | iamlindoro: | Pushing Daisies, that's all I have to say |
| [04:29:31] | kormoc: | they were eatting crackers in bed |
| [04:30:13] | phunyguy: | sent to the list sphery |
| [04:30:21] | phunyguy: | hopefully i get a response. |
| [04:30:24] | phunyguy: | off to bed |
| [04:30:26] | phunyguy: | ninite |
| [04:30:29] | sphery: | gl, phunyguy |
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| [04:31:01] | phunyguy: | hah it has to be approved by moderators |
| [04:31:04] | phunyguy: | oh well. |
| [04:31:15] | phunyguy: | i filled it with cuss-words just for them ;) |
| [04:31:16] | iamlindoro: | phunyguy, Are you not subscribed? |
| [04:31:22] | phunyguy: | not to that list. |
| [04:31:37] | iamlindoro: | Then that's why |
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| [04:32:29] | phunyguy: | well i am now ;) |
| [04:32:45] | phunyguy: | takes 2 seconds apparently |
| [04:32:48] | phunyguy: | off to bed |
| [04:32:50] | phunyguy: | gnite |
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| [04:38:06] | sphery: | iamlindoro: seen this week's scrubss? photoshop! |
| [04:38:45] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I've seen this weeks, what about PS? |
| [04:39:08] | sphery: | janitor's idea |
| [04:39:15] | iamlindoro: | ah, heh |
| [04:39:20] | sphery: | set up a chain of photo shops |
| [04:39:36] | iamlindoro: | right, I remember ;) |
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| [04:42:07] | iamlindoro: | Ugh, do I *have* to theme mythweather? |
| [04:43:14] | davez0r: | any of you ever use myth.find_orphans.pl ? |
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| [05:00:08] | wagnerrp: | ugh, these supposed 'high quality' verbatim disks are crap |
| [05:00:34] | Lexridge: | I've had bad luck with verbatim discs as well. |
| [05:00:37] | wagnerrp: | im going back trying to recover what i backed up, only to find about 1/3 of the files are irrecoverable |
| [05:00:56] | davez0r: | ouch |
| [05:01:44] | wagnerrp: | videohelp.com even had these rated as good media |
| [05:02:00] | wagnerrp: | well, im on the last disk |
| [05:02:08] | wagnerrp: | ill go back through and see if i can pull some more off |
| [05:02:44] | davez0r: | i've found that many verbatim, memorex, etc are rebranded |
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| [05:03:39] | davez0r: | you can buy two identically labled spindles and have very different media inside |
| [05:03:40] | wagnerrp: | i guess that site reviews short term reliability |
| [05:03:57] | wagnerrp: | not sit in a binder for a year and try again |
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| [05:06:10] | wagnerrp: | actually, it seems to do with how full the disk is |
| [05:06:19] | wagnerrp: | if its burnt to the edge, i get data loss |
| [05:06:34] | wagnerrp: | if theres free space, i can copy all the files off |
| [05:07:14] | Lexridge: | sounds like maybe your drive is doing a slight over-burn perhaps. |
| [05:07:29] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt be |
| [05:07:44] | wagnerrp: | i burned using nero, and nero will not overburn DVDs |
| [05:07:46] | wagnerrp: | only CDs |
| [05:07:58] | Lexridge: | ok |
| [05:08:27] | Lexridge: | Nero does not overburn DVDs? I thought it did. |
| [05:09:02] | wagnerrp: | i actually didnt think it was possible to overburn dvds |
| [05:09:20] | wagnerrp: | regardless, it warns you before you try, and i was never warned |
| [05:09:34] | Lexridge: | I have no idea, just thought I remembered seeing an option in nero for that. Perhaps not. |
| [05:09:53] | Lexridge: | is it a dual layer DVD or single? |
| [05:10:49] | wagnerrp: | all single, dual layer arent worth the cost |
| [05:11:16] | wylie: | where has the source to librom1394 moved? anyone know? i thought it used to be at linux1394.org? |
| [05:11:34] | wagnerrp: | about 80% more data for 6x the price |
| [05:11:50] | Lexridge: | you're right about that! However, CC has a 25 pack of Memorix DL+Rs for $20, which is not bad. However, I hate Memorix products. |
| [05:12:38] | wagnerrp: | looking back through the stack of disks, it seems they may just be.... dirty |
| [05:12:42] | Chicago: | Yeah, Memorix blows. |
| [05:13:35] | wagnerrp: | one had a streak of... something, across 2/3 of the disk |
| [05:13:36] | Lexridge: | I generally use the RIData dvds. Good cost, above average quality |
| [05:13:49] | wagnerrp: | no wonder i only got 2 files off it |
| [05:13:56] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: that certainly could cause problems. |
| [05:14:45] | tank-man: | i got 1 cdr in a spindle of dvdrs once |
| [05:15:07] | wagnerrp: | thats certainly comforting |
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| [05:32:45] | Lexridge: | Damn, I wish there was a way to make MFE play DVDs in the correct aspect ratio. Hate to bring it up again, but I hate exiting MFE just to play a DVD with VLC. :( |
| [05:33:49] | wagnerrp: | windows seems to be a bit more forgiving than freebsd |
| [05:33:53] | wagnerrp: | or perhaps the drive is |
| [05:34:49] | Lexridge: | it's probably windows. Electronically, the drive would remain the same. |
| [05:35:06] | wagnerrp: | no, different drives, different manufacturers |
| [05:35:55] | Lexridge: | ok, that would make difference. I thought you were referring to the aforementioned DVD read problem. |
| [05:36:06] | wagnerrp: | thats correct |
| [05:36:52] | wagnerrp: | i can see blips in the read, where transfer off the disk drops to zero for a second or two |
| [05:37:08] | wagnerrp: | but either windows, or the drive in the windows machine continues on, where freebsd gave up |
| [05:37:54] | Lexridge: | I have recently developed a problem where one of my two DVD writers cannot read each others discs....not at all!!! I guess I need to replace both of them. |
| [05:38:16] | wagnerrp: | they can read their own disks? |
| [05:39:51] | Lexridge: | they can read their own discs, but they cannot read discs from alternate writers. |
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| [05:40:56] | Lexridge: | however, both writers discs can be read on all of my other machines. Crazy eh!! |
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| [05:42:46] | Lexridge: | I think temperture is my problem. This main computer is in my garage, which overnite it can go from cold outside temps to heated temps of avg 65F. |
| [05:42:59] | Lexridge: | I think the temp stress is shorting their lives. |
| [05:43:34] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thermal cycling does not do too well with optics |
| [05:43:55] | jamesd: | Lexridge, ship it to milwaukee, it may run faster since its 2F and doing to go up to a high of -2F tomorow... |
| [05:44:34] | Lexridge: | Our high temp here is suppose to be 16F, then down to -3F by Friday nite. |
| [05:44:55] | jamesd: | ah that is t-shirt weather after this week |
| [05:44:56] | Lexridge: | I hope both my LCD monitors can withstand that |
| [05:45:02] | Lexridge: | lol |
| [05:45:31] | Lexridge: | should I leave my LCD monitors on during this cold spell? Will 0F hurt them if off? |
| [05:45:41] | wagnerrp: | check your manual |
| [05:46:05] | ** kormoc looks into his crystal ball... "The future is hazy... Please insert $1000 to try again..." ** | |
| [05:46:23] | Lexridge: | what manual? I generally throw those away with the packing material. lol ;) |
| [05:47:35] | Lexridge: | well, I';m sure it set overnite in a UPS truck somewhere at close to 0F, considering I bought it during the cold spell in Nov. |
| [05:48:26] | Lexridge: | Ah, and speakers....how to speakers survive in sub zero temps? |
| [05:48:45] | Chicago: | depends on materials. |
| [05:48:49] | wagnerrp: | drivers should do just fine |
| [05:48:54] | wagnerrp: | cones.... maybe not so much |
| [05:48:58] | wagnerrp: | depends on what its made out of |
| [05:49:09] | Chicago: | I could imagine a solder point cracking before anything else might happen. |
| [05:49:51] | Lexridge: | Not sure, but I think the drivers are probably polypropalyne (sp?) |
| [05:50:07] | wagnerrp: | drivers are magents and electromagnets |
| [05:50:12] | wagnerrp: | all metal, with some solder |
| [05:50:20] | Lexridge: | ok, the speakers themselves then. |
| [05:50:33] | wagnerrp: | heat will destroy them, but reasonable cold wont |
| [05:51:06] | wagnerrp: | but the cone is usually something much softer, which could dry out and crack |
| [05:51:40] | Lexridge: | IT was so humid and wet here a few weeks ago, when I entered my garage, everything was coated in condensation. Monitors included! It was sick!!! |
| [05:52:12] | wagnerrp: | should be any condensation unless you air condition your garage |
| [05:52:25] | wagnerrp: | and then there should be any condensation because its not humid enough |
| [05:53:21] | Lexridge: | No, no A/C. It had rained for three days, The garage is only heated when I'm in it, like now. Once I fired up the heat, the condensation disapated within an hour. |
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| [05:54:18] | Lexridge: | BTW, My garage is not attached to the house. |
| [05:55:19] | Lexridge: | ..and is sort of like a cellar, as the left side is buried underground. You can litterally walk from the yard right onto the roof on one side. |
| [05:56:23] | clever: | neat |
| [05:57:14] | Lexridge: | It makes it easy to do roof work, as I can step right across to the house roof as well. |
| [05:57:24] | clever: | nice |
| [05:57:35] | Lexridge: | a strange layout, but cool nonetheless. :)\ |
| [06:00:12] | wagnerrp: | i really dislike CAV ratings for drives |
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| [06:01:07] | wagnerrp: | oh look! a 20x dvd drive!... except you can only manage 5x on the inner track |
| [06:01:45] | Lexridge: | typical |
| [06:02:17] | clever: | 2009-01–15 02:02:13.319 PlaybackBox::showActions(): Error, myth://10.0.0.103:6543/1043_20090113195800.nuv file not found |
| [06:02:30] | clever: | this error doesnt exactly make any sense, since the file plays fine |
| [06:02:56] | wagnerrp: | why not rate based off the average peak speed over the entire disk |
| [06:03:29] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to the absolute peak speed |
| [06:03:45] | clever: | wagnerrp: the same reason they use 1000 bytes per kb instead of 1024 |
| [06:03:52] | clever: | it makes things seem bigger/faster |
| [06:04:58] | wagnerrp: | and then when burning, you get lead in and out too |
| [06:05:01] | clever: | my '320gig' drive only had 298gig of partitionable space |
| [06:07:01] | wagnerrp: | well i cant get the last 7 files out of 121 total |
| [06:07:24] | clever: | that reminds me |
| [06:07:30] | clever: | i had a data dvd i burned a while ago |
| [06:07:35] | Lexridge: | have you tried doing a dd of the disk, then mounting that image? |
| [06:07:40] | clever: | i lost the last 3–4 files to some kind of disk rot |
| [06:07:50] | clever: | dd and friends cant get it back either, read errors |
| [06:07:56] | wylie: | anyone have sa3250ch working with an sa4240hdc ? |
| [06:07:58] | Chicago: | ddrescue is another GNU which might help you if there are bad sectors on the disk. |
| [06:08:08] | clever: | Chicago: tried that too in my case, but nothing |
| [06:08:37] | clever: | it was an unmentionable torrent so i was able to copy the files and just resume the thing at 60% and fix it, i'll stop talking about that case now:P |
| [06:09:26] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if WGN is still playing reruns |
| [06:10:10] | wagnerrp: | seems so |
| [06:10:59] | wagnerrp: | and theyre right at the beginning of the series too! |
| [06:11:51] | Lexridge: | have you tried Winblows based ISO buster? |
| [06:12:56] | Lexridge: | I have recovered many DVDs using ISOBuster. |
| [06:14:12] | Lexridge: | I think there is a free time-limited demo available |
| [06:14:44] | clever: | time to figure out why it works better and make an open source clone! |
| [06:14:46] | clever: | :P |
| [06:14:52] | Lexridge: | yup!!!! |
| [06:15:15] | clever: | you know how a cd/dvd cant have any long string of 000000's ? |
| [06:15:25] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [06:15:40] | clever: | it encodes everything with slightly longer versions that dont do that |
| [06:15:47] | wagnerrp: | encoded such that those circumstances dont happen |
| [06:15:52] | clever: | yep |
| [06:16:04] | Lexridge: | what are you getting at? |
| [06:16:13] | clever: | i tried to explain that to an idiot one day, and he refused to accept that i was write |
| [06:16:21] | clever: | because his .iso files had long strings of nothing |
| [06:16:33] | wagnerrp: | well i refuse to accept that you are 'write' as well |
| [06:16:39] | clever: | but can you read that raw encoded form from the disk, and do the read error checking in software? |
| [06:16:49] | clever: | oops, typo there:P |
| [06:17:09] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
| [06:17:39] | clever: | if you could get that raw encoded data off the disk, the program could make inteligent choices about which bits to flip to correct the byte |
| [06:18:02] | clever: | or just ignore all the 1 bit errors, and recover 99% of the sector |
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| [06:21:05] | wagnerrp: | theres some scuff marks on one of the disks |
| [06:21:11] | wagnerrp: | i may be able to buff those out |
| [06:26:59] | Chicago: | If you're talking about DVD-VIDEO, some bad bits are bundled with the disk. |
| [06:27:10] | Chicago: | DVD-VIDEO is not an error-correcting format... you can play through the bad bits. |
| [06:28:11] | wagnerrp: | its a compressed digital format |
| [06:28:28] | wagnerrp: | if you dont have error correction, one flipped bit trashes the whole video until the next I frame |
| [06:28:43] | clever: | Chicago: so if your playing a dvd-video, the errors are fed to the video decoder, and just make tiny errors on the image? |
| [06:28:50] | clever: | but for a dvd-data, they read error? |
| [06:29:15] | wagnerrp: | thats the issue, with a compressed format, its not going to be a tiny error |
| [06:30:05] | wagnerrp: | it will propagate through the whole subblock, and get dragged through subsequent frames |
| [06:30:05] | clever: | yeah |
| [06:30:10] | clever: | yep |
| [06:30:36] | clever: | but for some reason in my data dvd with mkv files, no file past a certain point was useable |
| [06:30:59] | clever: | it was like everything past track X was toast |
| [06:31:07] | wagnerrp: | you probably hit the bad block, the drive said tilt, and your file operation was toast |
| [06:31:34] | clever: | that doesnt sound like it would affect other files located later on the disk |
| [06:31:39] | wagnerrp: | it shouldnt |
| [06:31:56] | wagnerrp: | unless the edge became unsealed |
| [06:32:04] | wagnerrp: | and the disk really was toast after a certain point |
| [06:32:12] | clever: | ive had a disk split in 2 before, between the layers |
| [06:32:25] | clever: | but thats after using it for a frisbie a few times |
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| [06:34:59] | clever: | crap |
| [06:35:07] | clever: | swap on ntfsmount==bad idea |
| [06:36:01] | davez0r: | you guys ever had a bios swap sda and sdc on you after a reboot? |
| [06:36:15] | clever: | davez0r: thats the kernerl drivers |
| [06:36:30] | davez0r: | oh? |
| [06:36:33] | clever: | the order depends on the order of when the drivers got loaded |
| [06:36:33] | davez0r: | fun... |
| [06:36:50] | clever: | dont use sda or sdc anymore, use UUID= or LABEL= |
| [06:36:54] | davez0r: | well i put the UUID into my fstab so that |
| [06:36:56] | davez0r: | eyah |
| [06:37:00] | davez0r: | did that |
| [06:37:37] | clever: | then it should work fine, enless grub is still using the wrong name for root=... |
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| [06:45:46] | clever: | old problem has returned again |
| [06:45:50] | clever: | X11 is starting on tty1 |
| [06:45:58] | clever: | followed by /bin/login |
| [06:46:07] | perilousapricot: | grr, I think I might've boned myself on this program. I set it up so that there's a thread that blocks on a select() call, but that's not the same thread that does the reading, do you think that's bad enough to make me refactor it |
| [06:46:11] | clever: | so login eats all the keyboard input, in RAW mode |
| [06:46:24] | perilousapricot: | .., wrong channel, sorry |
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| [07:31:48] | mattwj2002: | dang it is okay cold |
| [07:31:59] | mattwj2002: | -19.6 F actual temperature right now |
| [07:32:00] | mattwj2002: | :S |
| [07:32:38] | mattwj2002: | *dang it is cold |
| [07:35:12] | clever: | dang |
| [07:35:31] | clever: | -22.5 C here |
| [07:35:47] | clever: | which is only -8.5 F |
| [07:35:49] | mattwj2002: | that is bad enough! |
| [07:36:19] | clever: | the -22 is killing the batery in the external thermometer |
| [07:36:52] | cesman: | only 59 F here |
| [07:37:01] | clever: | thats allmost room temp:P |
| [07:37:09] | mattwj2002: | where are you at cesman? |
| [07:37:25] | wagnerrp: | 15F |
| [07:37:31] | cesman: | Whittier, Ca, USA |
| [07:37:40] | wagnerrp: | hell |
| [07:37:46] | wagnerrp: | its not cold there |
| [07:38:09] | clever: | NB canada here |
| [07:38:16] | mattwj2002: | Minneapolis here |
| [07:38:24] | wylie_: | anyone using vdpau on? quick question if so: the wiki nodes setup of a display profile for decoder and video/osd renderers. where is this done? |
| [07:38:40] | wylie_: | s/nodes/notes |
| [07:39:04] | wagnerrp: | in the settings, tv settings, playback |
| [07:39:37] | ** kormoc sighs and sees bad things in the future ** | |
| [07:39:43] | wagnerrp: | you should really know your way around the settings before playing with trunk |
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| [07:39:52] | damo: | hi |
| [07:40:09] | damo: | i just installing mythtv |
| [07:40:12] | wylie_: | yes, i do, i looked there already... must have missed it — going back |
| [07:40:24] | damo: | how do i condigure my tv pci card? |
| [07:40:33] | wagnerrp: | what is your tv pci card? |
| [07:40:57] | kormoc: | wylie, you have to have very specific version of the nvidia drivers, and specific compile options before it's an option at all |
| [07:41:14] | wylie_: | yep, done all that |
| [07:41:25] | wylie_: | though i couldn't use 180.22, had to go back to 180.17 |
| [07:41:35] | wagnerrp: | why not? |
| [07:42:44] | wylie_: | i recently dist-upgraded to intrepid on this particular machine — 180.22 reverts back to low-graphics... even though the kernel module is there. :-( there is quite a bit of discussion on the ubuntu channels about it. i found in the nvidia thread that people were moving back to 180.17, tried that, and it worked fine. |
| [07:43:04] | wagnerrp: | low graphics? |
| [07:43:11] | wylie_: | as in, not using the nvidia driver |
| [07:43:25] | wagnerrp: | you cant modprobe it yourself? |
| [07:43:34] | wylie_: | yep, doesn't help. the module is there |
| [07:43:38] | sulx: | well thats ubuntu bug |
| [07:43:51] | wylie_: | sulx: i think so |
| [07:43:53] | sulx: | 180.22 is working just fin |
| [07:44:58] | wylie_: | I found some discussion with acknowledgement of two bugs that looked to be ubuntu intrepid related — but also found some banter on the nvidia threads that had nothing to do with ubuntu — but i agree, i think my problem is ubuntu |
| [07:45:20] | kormoc: | Yes, Ubuntu is the problem, time to switch! |
| [07:45:26] | sulx: | I agree |
| [07:45:42] | sulx: | I hate that I'm forced to use it at work =( |
| [07:46:13] | kormoc: | time to replace your work ;) |
| [07:46:18] | wylie_: | hah |
| [07:46:20] | wagnerrp: | i could understand being forced to use SUSE or RHEL, but ubuntu? |
| [07:46:20] | sulx: | true also =) |
| [07:46:29] | wylie_: | and you guys like .... gentoo? fedora? |
| [07:46:37] | sulx: | Archlinux <3 |
| [07:46:41] | wagnerrp: | dont business tend to like things with commercial support? |
| [07:46:41] | wylie_: | heh |
| [07:46:54] | mattwj2002: | I love ubuntu |
| [07:46:58] | mattwj2002: | it just works |
| [07:46:59] | sulx: | wagnerrp: depends |
| [07:47:06] | kormoc: | I'm a gentoo user but I think that the world could use less gentoo users as well :P |
| [07:47:12] | d0netsFN: | hey |
| [07:47:13] | d0netsFN: | http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.php?story=05/10/11/185208 |
| [07:47:14] | sulx: | for me ubuntu does NOT work =) |
| [07:47:15] | d0netsFN: | if thats my mobo |
| [07:47:20] | wagnerrp: | im with kormoc on that one |
| [07:47:37] | sulx: | same here |
| [07:47:42] | d0netsFN: | i need sata II tables? |
| [07:47:43] | kormoc: | unless you have and are able to handle linux from scratch, gentoo isn't right for you imho |
| [07:47:57] | wylie_: | my thought on gentoo is bleh — but it's a good dev platform — too bad the community is falling apart and the leadership can't keep their crap online |
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| [07:49:01] | wagnerrp: | what happened to the gentoo wiki a couple months ago? |
| [07:49:07] | wagnerrp: | all the pages got flushed |
| [07:49:10] | sulx: | using gentoo = watch scrolling code 95% of the time and 5% doing actually something |
| [07:49:20] | kormoc: | sulx, lies! |
| [07:49:37] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, Signal to Noise was way too low |
| [07:49:46] | wagnerrp: | sulx: didnt you know, all hacking is watching scrolling code! |
| [07:50:15] | wagnerrp: | *cue the techno* |
| [07:50:17] | kormoc: | sulx, I may spend 4 hours a month compiling (non myth) code and it's in the background anyway, doesn't impact actual usage |
| [07:51:00] | sulx: | compiling causes global warming! |
| [07:51:10] | kormoc: | compiling lowers my heating bill |
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| [07:51:37] | wagnerrp: | i dare say it raises your electrical more than it lowers your heating |
| [07:52:02] | sulx: | depends how the heat is spreading |
| [07:52:09] | kormoc: | nah, gas is insanely expensive here |
| [07:52:09] | wylie_: | on the video playback profiles.... that's an area i've never screwed with because the presets have always been acceptable for me — any need for match criteria, or simply set the decoder and renderers to vdpau? |
| [07:52:51] | sulx: | 1 criteria is must I think? |
| [07:53:04] | sulx: | if rez > 0 :P |
| [07:53:15] | wylie_: | easy enuf, will give it a shot |
| [07:53:49] | wagnerrp: | you can have it match however you want |
| [07:54:03] | sulx: | i'v been trying to struggle with the internal player and external subtitles...can't get them working no matter what I do =( |
| [07:54:04] | wagnerrp: | ive got a fallback to ffmpeg/xvideo for ASP content |
| [07:54:27] | kormoc: | I like using vdpau for 1x1 videos. GPU Acceleration really helps out there |
| [07:55:04] | wagnerrp: | maybe if you play a few million videos simultaneously |
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| [07:59:14] | wylie_: | hrmmmm. i get no video signal occasionally — something i don't get when not using vdpau. i'll have to play with it more tomorrow. probably some things i need to do in xorg.conf as well – seem to recall discussion about it on #mythtv channel |
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| [08:03:17] | wagnerrp: | the only change i had to do in xorg.conf was enabling composite, or maybe disabling it |
| [08:03:19] | wagnerrp: | one of those two |
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| [08:09:29] | wylie_: | i think disabling it is the recommendation — not sure if you don't have an extension to enable or disable --- how it is set by default — but trying disabling now to see if it makes a diff |
| [08:09:44] | wylie_: | weird, now my tv is saying unsupported video format |
| [08:10:03] | wagnerrp: | what are you trying to play? |
| [08:10:23] | wylie_: | nothing, lol. just started gdm back up. resetting tv to see if that helps |
| [08:10:59] | wagnerrp: | is this used for a desktop as well? |
| [08:11:32] | wagnerrp: | if just for auto-login, gdm seems a bit overkill |
| [08:11:33] | wylie_: | no |
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| [08:12:01] | wylie_: | it is — i'll thin it out at some point — just only have time to screw with it late at night — or the wife gets grumpy |
| [08:12:40] | wylie_: | the real rule should be... you shouldn't run trunk if you have a wife |
| [08:12:57] | sulx: | I run ;) |
| [08:13:00] | wylie_: | [jk of course, except during the qt4 transition, trunk is usually fine if you know what you are doing] |
| [08:13:11] | sulx: | and yes, occasional whining occurs |
| [08:13:19] | wylie_: | it's all worth it, heh |
| [08:13:46] | sulx: | I just say "don't use it then" |
| [08:13:56] | sulx: | even she can't live without it ;) |
| [08:14:07] | justinh: | wylie_: running trunk can incur extra hassle, like having to get qt4.4 by hook or by crook (or just by upgrading your distro) |
| [08:15:47] | wylie_: | i meant more when things were broken and qt4 wasn't really operational yet — it was only a few weeks — but i found myself going back a few revs and holding for a couple of months |
| [08:15:51] | justinh: | I've found it to be pretty crashy – nasty stack corruption & using valgrind to get to the bottom of it seems impossible.. my machine becomes unusable – as in having to log in remotely & restart X |
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| [08:16:16] | justinh: | a couple of months in a long time in the life of trunk :) |
| [08:16:21] | kormoc: | I only burned out a video card playing with vdpau :P |
| [08:16:22] | justinh: | *is a long time |
| [08:17:15] | justinh: | kormoc: I heard about that. Supposed to be impossible, damaging hardware with programs, innit? ;) |
| [08:17:23] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [08:17:39] | kormoc: | I wish it was that simple |
| [08:17:40] | justinh: | have nvidia said anything about the subject? |
| [08:17:55] | kormoc: | Negative, last word was, 'We have no idea what could be wrong, sorry' |
| [08:18:14] | wagnerrp: | theyre not even interested to have a look at the ROMs? |
| [08:18:45] | kormoc: | nope, least not via the nvnews forum guys |
| [08:18:52] | kormoc: | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=124297 |
| [08:18:57] | justinh: | well, with the driver being their closely guarded baby they could've been doing anything.. who's to know.. and without knowing how their GPUs work specifically it'd be impossible to say |
| [08:19:33] | justinh: | the fact it still 'kinda' works is something at least... if not for VDPAU |
| [08:19:44] | kormoc: | I have a feeling that because I didn't initialize the pointer it pointed somewhere on the card itself and corrupted something |
| [08:20:27] | kormoc: | and for what it's worth, purevideo fails as well, crashes xp *hard* |
| [08:20:41] | justinh: | yeah maybe. seems shocking because we tend to think of GPUs as immovable objects |
| [08:21:07] | kormoc: | yeah, but alas, not always the case sadly |
| [08:22:25] | justinh: | there be witchcraft in them thar geepeeyous! |
| [08:23:12] | justinh: | makes one wonder though.. what will be discovered next.. that you can brick a CPU with careless coding? :-O |
| [08:23:49] | wagnerrp: | a misplaced pointer causes a microcode overwrite |
| [08:23:49] | justinh: | come to think of it, there's all sorts of ways to do that already.. soft overclocking etc |
| [08:24:03] | kormoc: | I like how he sorta belittles me about the chances of hurting the hardware is nil (and I never claimed it was hardware related, just posted the symptoms) and then give up so fast. |
| [08:24:53] | justinh: | when I worked on 3D Labs test line, I found out that the drivers we were using weren't the production ones because we had to overclock the GPU & RAM to stress them for testing |
| [08:25:03] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, with intel cpu's, the microcode that ships with them is ROM and when you update it, you're actually only updating it in another memory buffer so if it applys badly, a power cycle cleans it up |
| [08:25:17] | wylie_: | appears i just needed to reboot – and composite disable was an improvement, as well |
| [08:25:18] | wagnerrp: | its pretty hard to trash something through overclocking anymore |
| [08:25:43] | justinh: | wagnerrp: yeah I suppose it is.. thanks to all the thermal protection gubbins |
| [08:25:51] | wagnerrp: | everythings got self protection anymore, no cooking processors unless you happen to end up with a hotspot far away from the thermal diode |
| [08:26:20] | justinh: | I think we might have all the "Help! Athlon on fire!" videos to thank for that innovation :) |
| [08:26:35] | clever: | lol |
| [08:26:44] | kormoc: | well, they all started shortly after intel put in their protection |
| [08:26:54] | wagnerrp: | i imagine the NBs and memory can still be fried through overvolting |
| [08:26:54] | kormoc: | so it was more intel showing it could be done fairly easily :P |
| [08:26:59] | clever: | my relatively new d600 laptop will throttle if it overheats, turning into a hot 600mhz |
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| [08:27:03] | kormoc: | memory most certainly can |
| [08:27:13] | clever: | the older c600 will just totaly cut all power like you pulled the cord when it overheats |
| [08:27:25] | clever: | neither can realy go a while and cause real damage :) |
| [08:27:35] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: and subsequently intel cranked up their chip clocks to the point their hardware could not be run at stock speeds without underclocking |
| [08:27:44] | justinh: | heh. nothing likes being overvolted much.. depends on the degree of 'over' ;) |
| [08:28:20] | wagnerrp: | one of the prescotts would not run at full speed on the cooler it shipped with |
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| [08:29:46] | justinh: | so er.. this microcode stuff... I sorta fell behind keeping up with CPU architecture about 15 years or so ago, if not more.. |
| [08:29:50] | Shadow_M: | preshott you mean wagnerrp you forgot the codename |
| [08:30:02] | justinh: | time to do some reading.. at least it |
| [08:30:09] | justinh: | it's semi-work-related :) |
| [08:30:37] | wagnerrp: | justinh: x86 CISC chips anymore all run relatively RISC internally |
| [08:30:57] | wagnerrp: | with large frontends doing translations and OOB prediction |
| [08:31:04] | wagnerrp: | the microcode is the stuff to run that hardware |
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| [08:31:14] | justinh: | that's what I just figured.. and found out to be the case. wow. I don't think I'll dig any deeper. |
| [08:31:38] | justinh: | as in .. I don't NEED to know.. so I won't :) |
| [08:31:39] | clever: | which brings up confusing things like, how many cycles per microcode instruction |
| [08:31:46] | clever: | and how does the pipeline affect them! |
| [08:31:47] | ** kormoc waits for the first user to wants to patch their microcode to run myth directly on the cpu ** | |
| [08:32:10] | justinh: | kormoc: bet they use gentoo, whoever they are |
| [08:32:14] | clever: | kormoc: what about microcode to speed up 264 decoding!? |
| [08:32:28] | clever: | improved mmx/sse instructions designed to target 264! |
| [08:32:38] | kormoc: | oh gawd, what have I done? |
| [08:32:48] | Shadow_M: | does he sleep |
| [08:32:49] | clever: | you released the beast! |
| [08:33:03] | clever: | Shadow_M: only when you least expect it |
| [08:33:14] | Shadow_M: | ah yes of course |
| [08:33:25] | Shadow_M: | seems like that responce what botish |
| [08:33:47] | clever: | alot of people claim im a bot or AI and that there is no real humman behind the controls:P |
| [08:33:59] | kormoc: | Shadow_M, he just cribs wikipedia all the time |
| [08:34:02] | wylie_: | and the real test — can i watch shows recording with the hd-pvr. Yes! woot |
| [08:34:08] | justinh: | clever: according to a guy here you need a certain TI CPU where you could redefine the microcode yourself :P |
| [08:34:15] | clever: | some think im too smart to be humman, others get confused when 10% of the stuff comming from my nick is automatic |
| [08:34:25] | ** directhex throws FPGAs at justinh ** | |
| [08:34:41] | kormoc: | who thinks you're too smart? |
| [08:34:45] | ** kormoc scratches his head ** | |
| [08:34:48] | clever: | justinh: yeah, you would expect the microcode to be defined in rom normaly to prevent problems |
| [08:35:10] | justinh: | anyway.. I have.. (cough) work to do |
| [08:35:12] | Shadow_M: | slot 1 ftw |
| [08:35:15] | ** justinh gets coffee ** | |
| [08:35:17] | kormoc: | Mr. I can't even get a job working in fast food is a genus? |
| [08:35:25] | Shadow_M: | lol |
| [08:35:34] | Shadow_M: | everyone starts somewhere |
| [08:35:54] | kormoc: | Shadow_M, it's more the lack of any start that's the issue :P |
| [08:35:57] | clever: | kormoc: You need to work on your spelling! |
| [08:36:02] | wagnerrp: | can i decode x264 in mythtv on my spartan 3? |
| [08:36:19] | clever: | wagnerrp: that sounds too old to have microcode in it |
| [08:36:26] | Shadow_M: | ah yes kormoc |
| [08:37:47] | wagnerrp: | clever: too old? its designed to be field programmable! |
| [08:38:03] | clever: | but can you actualy redefine the assembly instructions? |
| [08:38:37] | ** directhex redefines clever ** | |
| [08:38:39] | justinh: | wagnerrp: on a spartan 3? possibly. If you design the PCB, make it, write the drivers, patch mythtv.... |
| [08:38:47] | wagnerrp: | what is this assembly you speak of? i has logic! |
| [08:38:53] | clever: | lol! |
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| [08:39:44] | justinh: | bet there's some company in china whipping the tops off h.264 chipsets to copy them.. if it's not already been done anyway |
| [08:40:03] | kormoc: | that crap amazes me |
| [08:40:10] | clever: | justinh: the problem is when you get 4 or 5 layers in the IC |
| [08:40:18] | justinh: | oh bugger. forgot to bring my USB HDD with recordings on it |
| [08:40:18] | clever: | you can only see the top layer without more etching |
| [08:40:34] | justinh: | clever: nothing seems to stop their inginuity |
| [08:40:37] | kormoc: | unless you slice it up as they tend to do |
| [08:40:43] | clever: | and some of the AVR chips have large sheets of metal on some layers, to block that on purpose |
| [08:41:01] | justinh: | to make it harder |
| [08:41:04] | clever: | yep |
| [08:41:06] | justinh: | not to stop it entirely |
| [08:41:19] | wagnerrp: | i fear the day i have to start running FPGA code for computer simulations |
| [08:41:33] | clever: | i saw a blog on how to bypass the partialy sheilded fuse bits in an AVR |
| [08:41:33] | kormoc: | pico-lathes, taking it off in ungodly small layers at a time |
| [08:41:37] | justinh: | VHDL ftw! |
| [08:41:48] | clever: | but it seems they solved that by burring the fuse bits near the bottom of the ic |
| [08:42:05] | wagnerrp: | one of my friends had to take classes in VHDL for his EE degree |
| [08:42:13] | clever: | you have to eat half the ic away with acid to reach the fuses, and by then the ic is brain dead, and theres no point in clearing the fuses |
| [08:43:04] | justinh: | anyway, gonna see if switching off desktop effects (which are lame anyway IMHO) has fixed this crashy crashy |
| [08:43:05] | kormoc: | I meet the absolutely cutest EE the other day, too bad she was a ausie and not sticking around... |
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| [08:43:53] | justinh: | kormoc: heh. only female EE I ever met drank real ale in pints (ok, quite common nowadays).. but she also smoked a pipe |
| [08:44:38] | kormoc: | http://flickr.com/photos/kormoc/3189830271/ |
| [08:44:47] | kormoc: | Sadly I was the one taking the picture :P |
| [08:46:02] | justinh: | heh. who'da thunk it? |
| [08:46:26] | kormoc: | Yeah really |
| [08:46:38] | wagnerrp: | never been to Whistler, but i know a couple people who go there every year |
| [08:46:48] | kormoc: | turned into a quite pleasant evening :) |
| [08:47:01] | kormoc: | She did a few vodka shots with me, that's my sorta woman |
| [08:47:17] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, it's worth the trip (excluding next year) |
| [08:47:25] | wagnerrp: | only big slope ive ever been to was Heavenly, Lake Teton |
| [08:47:28] | wagnerrp: | whats next year? |
| [08:47:33] | kormoc: | Olympics |
| [08:47:38] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [08:47:40] | justinh: | oh look – I turned off the lame desktop effects & now I can't reproduce the horrendous stack corrupting segfaultyness |
| [08:47:48] | kormoc: | it's gonna be so packed it's gonna be worthless to do anything |
| [08:48:17] | wagnerrp: | i really need to get in better shape before i go skiing again |
| [08:48:28] | wagnerrp: | i live a couple hundred feet above sea level |
| [08:48:38] | wagnerrp: | skiing at 10k feet really put the hurt into me |
| [08:49:13] | kormoc: | heh |
| [08:49:18] | kormoc: | Same thing here really |
| [08:49:28] | kormoc: | I'm like maybe 100' |
| [08:52:39] | justinh: | just confirm I AM actually using the gl painter... yes I am. so the problem was compiz-fusion. As per bloody usual |
| [08:53:05] | clever: | i find that i can never use 2 gl programs at once |
| [08:53:15] | clever: | so gl painter+compiz==gates of hell opening |
| [08:53:35] | clever: | though i only got massive corruption of the display, not crashing |
| [08:53:49] | clever: | they trampled over eachothers textures |
| [08:53:54] | justinh: | well, there was that & switching between windows would cause really weird results |
| [08:54:20] | clever: | something doesnt handle sharing of the texture memory properly |
| [08:54:35] | justinh: | it's crap, plain & simple. |
| [08:54:36] | clever: | so both programs wind up owning the same byte range of the texture memory |
| [08:54:53] | clever: | youll probly get the same problem if you use glxgears and the gl painter at once |
| [08:55:49] | justinh: | might be to do with Intel drivers.. who knows/cares... I just want myth to not suck on this machine while I scribble things on it |
| [08:56:16] | clever: | qt painter then:P |
| [08:56:26] | justinh: | nah. turn off desktop effect JUNK |
| [08:56:37] | justinh: | never liked them anyway |
| [08:56:38] | clever: | http://gallery.clever.mine.nu/index.py/mythtv/Screenshot-10.png |
| [08:56:44] | clever: | 10 and 11 are examples of the problems i had |
| [08:57:06] | clever: | in 11, i switched to a diff side of the desktop cube to mythtv was no longer onscreen |
| [08:57:09] | justinh: | oh how I love the top of a window to oscillate when it's close to docking to another but not quite there. wheee wiggly title bar! |
| [08:57:33] | directhex: | justinh, wobbly windows is a gimick, but that doesn't make compiz pointless |
| [08:57:39] | clever: | but mythtv didnt know that, and continued to render itself thru gl |
| [08:57:40] | clever: | yeah thats fun:P |
| [08:57:40] | clever: | jello windows! |
| [08:57:50] | justinh: | it does on my machine |
| [08:57:59] | ** justinh is an OLD FART. live with that ** | |
| [08:58:51] | clever: | my dad is such an old fart that he doesnt even see the point of PVR software |
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| [09:17:07] | justinh: | time to ditch the blue background. it sucks |
| [09:18:18] | hachi: | "Wait for seq start header"... can I turn this off to speed up my DVB card channel changing? |
| [09:18:26] | justinh: | yup |
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| [09:18:46] | justinh: | but you'd do better to change your viewing habits to depend less upon the whims of the schedulers |
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| [09:19:05] | justinh: | plan your TV watching. stop wasting your life away :) |
| [09:19:13] | justinh: | that's what having a PVR is all about :) |
| [09:21:15] | justinh: | oh ffs forgot to install inkscape on my laptop |
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| [09:27:00] | justinh: | hmm. interesting idea: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/366053 |
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| [09:47:25] | doc__: | hi there |
| [09:47:28] | justinh: | oh dear god. one of my sister's old schoolfriends has got in touch with me on facebook. I wouldn't care but the last time I saw her she was erm.. showing off her labial piercings to anybody & everybody. nice girl. not rough in the slightest |
| [09:48:06] | ** justinh checks his privacy preferences... supposed to be frickin invisible to all intents & purposes ** | |
| [09:48:35] | clever: | thats facepalm for ya! |
| [09:48:41] | directhex: | FRIENDFACE! |
| [09:49:07] | justinh: | lol |
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| [09:53:26] | kormoc: | justinh, Mmm... that's a good piercing |
| [09:55:12] | justinh: | as they say in Newcastle... CAT OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT! |
| [09:55:33] | ** justinh apologies for the crudeness & wanders off to scribble some new etchins ** | |
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| [11:05:52] | gbee: | heh, http://mythtvnews.com/2009/01/15/three-things . . . -mythtv-022/ |
| [11:07:28] | justinh: | much more advanced themes including translucence. I love the BS they talk on mythtvnews.com |
| [11:07:47] | justinh: | more advanced themes yes. translucent image support will not be new :) |
| [11:08:26] | justinh: | but yes.. they're all worth looking forward to for sure |
| [11:08:53] | gbee: | "The UI in MythTV 0.22 will be based on QT4" .... err, no |
| [11:10:04] | clever: | it seems the whole thing is moving away from qt widgets |
| [11:11:17] | gbee: | QT4 can't take any of the credit, everything done with the UI in 0.22 could have been done with QT3, we're not using QT for the UI in mythui |
| [11:11:49] | gbee: | I think that misunderstanding stems from so many people thinking that QT is a UI toolkit like GTK |
| [11:11:52] | justinh: | the only thing right now that bears any resemblence to a desktop-like widget is the new webthingy.. |
| [11:12:22] | justinh: | and even then its not a fugly thing :) |
| [11:12:25] | clever: | i use QT alot for headless programs that have no ui at all |
| [11:13:23] | justinh: | gbee: it's down to me to leave my trademark fascetious comment on mythtvnews.com then :) |
| [11:15:11] | justinh: | quote: "Actually, Qt4 has nothing at all to do with mythui. Everything in the new UI libraries (with the exception of only ONE widget) was possible in Qt3. If anything could be said, it would be that mythtv is moving AWAY from using Qt for GUI stuff :-) And how it's looking much better for it!" |
| [11:15:26] | gbee: | :) |
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| [11:16:50] | justinh: | hmm. you know I said yesterday about me seeing flickering & guff in the watch recordings screen while in the gl painter? seems since disabling desktop effects those side effects have gone too. Meh |
| [11:17:11] | gbee: | I just think to attribute any credit to QT4 would be to understate the genius of Isaac's mythui |
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| [11:18:23] | justinh: | lest we forget your vision gbee.. very refreshing takes on things :) |
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| [11:20:09] | justinh: | btw what do you think of the idea of having a '% watched' progress bar somebody raised recently.. I quite like that.. not sure I'd make much use of it but hey.. |
| [11:20:10] | gbee: | yeah, what I threw in there was the perspective of a themer who wanted to remove a lot of the limitations in possible designs |
| [11:20:25] | gbee: | it's a good idea |
| [11:21:18] | gbee: | not sure why he was talking about converting to seconds, maybe that would be for accompanying text, the progressbar itself could just be bookmark frame + total frames |
| [11:21:46] | justinh: | wasn't iamlindoro talking about storing the framerate in the recorded table? |
| [11:21:53] | justinh: | or was that mythvideo related only? |
| [11:22:48] | gbee: | was he after framerate? I guess I wasn't listening properly if he mentioned it |
| [11:22:55] | justinh: | I might have to do some interim hacking to stop mythfrontend announcing its presence on the network, just so I can continue fiddling |
| [11:23:11] | gbee: | --disable-upnp |
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| [11:23:21] | justinh: | is that on the frontend now? cool |
| [11:24:06] | gbee: | hmm, I would have imagined that it worked for both, but I could be wrong |
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| [11:24:29] | justinh: | I remember people's horror when I mentioned it a while ago... |
| [11:24:35] | Similian: | did you put the new ui in the trunk? |
| [11:24:45] | justinh: | and my own horror when I saw it on my work network with my own eyes. whoops |
| [11:25:14] | gbee: | Similian: it's a work in progress, but it is in trunk and always has been |
| [11:25:45] | Similian: | okay ... just missed the beginning of the conversation |
| [11:27:52] | justinh: | hrm. seems I thought that background image was so easy to knock up I never saved the source without the overscan safe guides |
| [11:27:52] | justinh: | bugger |
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| [11:29:51] | gbee: | oops |
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| [11:35:26] | justinh: | mmkay. time to grab the source for that dual dvb-t usb tuner |
| [11:35:37] | quicksilver: | graphics formats with layers = win |
| [11:36:01] | justinh: | WTF are we gettting DAVE+1 on freeview for? |
| [11:36:11] | ** gbee needs a tea or coffee ** | |
| [11:36:15] | justinh: | incase we miss the repeat, of the repeat, of the repeat of Top Gear? |
| [11:36:35] | justinh: | quicksilver: true. helps if you save your work :) |
| [11:36:36] | gbee: | strange one that |
| [11:36:56] | justinh: | russia today too? whaaaaaaaaa? |
| [11:37:04] | justinh: | my mind is boggling |
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| [11:37:09] | quicksilver: | perhaps we want to watch QI twice on different tuners |
| [11:37:19] | gbee: | and I'm not really sure where all the space for four new channels has come from? They've only ditched two low bitrate shopping channels, unless I'm forgetting something |
| [11:37:37] | justinh: | and this, at a time when OFCOM are saying they're cutting down to five from 6 muxes for all the SDTV |
| [11:37:40] | quicksilver: | how do you guys find out about new channels? |
| [11:37:48] | justinh: | digitalspy.co.uk |
| [11:38:00] | justinh: | and showbiz goss! |
| [11:38:05] | gbee: | CNN, Russian Propaganda Today, Dave+1, Discovery Quest |
| [11:38:15] | justinh: | and all the latest BB goss! |
| [11:38:27] | justinh: | and all the juicy soap storylines! |
| [11:38:35] | gbee: | I'm just subscribed to the Digital TV rss feed |
| [11:38:48] | directhex: | i still need a dish |
| [11:38:59] | directhex: | lower priority than a shiny new computar though |
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| [11:40:14] | gbee: | dish is comparitively cheap, £20–25 complete with lnb, cables, mounting gear and cable clips etc |
| [11:40:30] | quicksilver: | hmm thanks. |
| [11:40:47] | quicksilver: | adds it to his RSS pileup |
| [11:41:26] | justinh: | MWHAHAHAHA.. Study reckons skipping ads makes watching TV less enjoyable indeed. |
| [11:41:40] | gbee: | wtf? |
| [11:41:57] | quicksilver: | less enjoyable... for the advertisers and their shareholders. |
| [11:42:08] | justinh: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/366076 |
| [11:42:11] | gbee: | so we can expect films at the cinema to be interuptted by ad breaks in the near future? |
| [11:42:36] | directhex: | gbee, i have no ladder or anywhere to put one. rather just get a man ni tbh |
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| [11:43:15] | gbee: | http://syndication.digitalspy.co.uk/rss_news/dsdigitaltv.xml |
| [11:43:16] | justinh: | gbee: well, the thing was published on ARSE technica |
| [11:43:53] | gbee: | directhex: sure, your money :) |
| [11:44:37] | quicksilver: | ack. That digitalspy website maxes my cores and makes the fans turn on |
| [11:44:42] | quicksilver: | stupid TV app widget. |
| [11:45:05] | gbee: | the greatest tick the advertising industry has ever played is convincing people that they like watching adverts |
| [11:45:17] | gbee: | trick |
| [11:45:19] | justinh: | hrm... I have in my hands the result of a survey that having intercourse with your partner while watching TV actually IMPROVES enjoyment of TV shows. That comes as a big surprise to everybody, I'd bet |
| [11:46:20] | justinh: | gbee: some ads are indeed very entertaining.. indeed more so than the show they appear in the break of |
| [11:46:56] | gbee: | yeah, not convinced about that one justinh ... sure I'd be having more fun, but would my enjoyment of the show improve? Considering my attention would be elsewhere, probably not ;) |
| [11:47:08] | quicksilver: | I have a feeling my partner would be pretty pissed off, too |
| [11:47:15] | quicksilver: | assuming it was a show she wanted to watch. |
| [11:47:17] | directhex: | what happened to that ads channel on satellite? |
| [11:47:38] | justinh: | I caught the latest PG tips ad with that Munkeh & Jonny Vegas doing a take off of the old Morcambe & Wise 'Breakfast' number.. |
| [11:47:44] | justinh: | that was pretty good |
| [11:47:46] | directhex: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3634934.stm |
| [11:48:06] | justinh: | directhex: at guess.. they didn't make any money through ad revenue? Oh the irony |
| [11:48:48] | directhex: | justinh, good guess |
| [11:48:58] | directhex: | "It's something of an irony, but the trouble with the channel is that there are no adverts. There are plenty of adverts, of course, but no adverts, at least not in the sense that anyone is paying for them to be shown. |
| [11:48:58] | directhex: | So when the Advert Channel shows the classic Agent Provocateur spot in which Kylie rides a velvet bucking bronco, Agent Provocateur is not actually paying for the ad to be shown. " |
| [11:49:27] | justinh: | was that ad every shown on telly or was it just a viral thing? |
| [11:49:37] | justinh: | *ever |
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| [11:50:02] | justinh: | anyway.. I'm distracted from the task at hand.. to grab the driver code for that USB thingy |
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| [11:51:33] | gbee: | when Kenco started advertising that their instant coffee tasted as good as their fresh, did anyone else take that to mean that their fresh coffee was shit? |
| [11:51:52] | justinh: | hahaha |
| [11:52:18] | directhex: | Folgers Instant: Tastes Good as Fresh-Perked! |
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| [11:54:25] | justinh: | meh. always forgetting I have more than one core when I type make |
| [11:56:16] | sulx: | alias make='make -j10' ;) |
| [11:56:50] | directhex: | hm, £86 for 6 gig of ddr3 |
| [11:56:58] | jduggan: | wow |
| [11:57:03] | jduggan: | ddr3 be cheap now |
| [11:57:46] | directhex: | http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=39567 |
| [11:58:18] | directhex: | and before justinh says it, "because core i7 chips can use 3-channel memory, not just dual channel as on older gen chips" |
| [11:58:41] | justinh: | oh how unfortunately named is that shopping island where my nearest Maplin is? The Cockhedge |
| [11:59:35] | directhex: | mmm... dongs... |
| [11:59:37] | Similian: | bless you |
| [12:00:11] | directhex: | erm... hm... the universe is confusing |
| [12:00:17] | directhex: | "INTEL Core i7–920 – 2.66 GHz – 2 MB L2 Cache, 8 MB L3 – LGA 1366 Socket (boxed version) + Wet Wipe Dispenser (100 wipes)" |
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| [12:01:21] | Similian: | Crying out of happines? |
| [12:01:27] | Similian: | maaann |
| [12:01:49] | justinh: | for getting over the shock when you bend a pin? |
| [12:03:14] | Similian: | i need to get some sw for notes |
| [12:04:01] | directhex: | justinh, no pins on processors anymore |
| [12:04:11] | Similian: | contacts |
| [12:04:46] | directhex: | Similian, how do you bend a contact pad? o_o |
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| [12:05:34] | Similian: | ohhhh you dont wanna know |
| [12:06:05] | Similian: | my 4yo cousin loves chewing on quadcores |
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| [12:10:21] | Similian: | isnt it way too early for i7 yet? |
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| [12:15:45] | Similian: | isn the intel core2 duo Quad a real quadcore |
| [12:26:10] | jduggan: | IIRC its basically 2xduo's glued together |
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| [12:29:07] | gbee: | not that I follow these things closely, but I didn't think Intel had a proper Quad core for the desktop market yet |
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| [12:32:27] | judazz: | Anyone got suggestions on what tool I can use to do an entire backup of my *system* partition (for easy restoring if/when hdd crashes)? |
| [12:34:22] | grokky: | Mmmm. I don't really use livetv, but in testing since moving to trunk I note switching channels in livetv can result in it not parsing playback profiles properly. Probably not a good way to be testing playback profiles then. |
| [12:34:25] | judazz: | I see BackupPC is an option, but maybe a bit overkill. What I want is a simple snapshot of my working system. |
| [12:36:30] | grokky: | judazz: I used to use partimage, booted off a sysrescuecd live cd ages ago: http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page. I used it to recover from a dead HDD twice. YMMV. |
| [12:37:00] | judazz: | grokky, thanks, I'll check it out :) |
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| [12:39:03] | grokky: | Mmm. I'm also seeing lots of problems with opengl painter in trunk. image corruption, white boxes in menus, occasional crashes of frontend. qt painter is fine though. I don't run a WM so no compiz or other opengl apps to mess it up either. |
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| [12:42:13] | slaine_: | Hey guys |
| [12:42:40] | slaine_: | My PVR-500 records analogue TV to .mpg files with MythTV |
| [12:42:51] | slaine_: | These files seem to be Program Stream formated mpegs |
| [12:43:12] | slaine_: | If I converted these to transport stream mpegs, would MythFrontend still be able to play them back ? |
| [12:43:54] | slaine_: | The idea I'm playing around with is having live555 Media Server running on the combined myth frontend/backend to server out the recordings to STB's over RTSP |
| [12:44:29] | directhex: | doesn't myth still have a tockbox for that? or was that only DVB |
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| [12:49:33] | slaine_: | directhex: I can't say I recall seeing something like that |
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| [12:49:58] | gbee: | grokky: only know issues with the GL painter occur after going through the appearance settings, started happening following the QT4 port |
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| [12:51:03] | gbee: | slaine_: mythtv can play back TS mpeg just fine, all DVB/ATSC and probably firewire recordings too are in TS form |
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| [12:51:12] | slaine_: | perfect |
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| [12:52:03] | slaine_: | I'll create a job that converts the mpg files to ts files and then runs the indexer on them to create a .tsx file. This will allow me to trickplay the rtsp streams |
| [12:52:25] | slaine_: | I'll also double check if there's a setting somewhere that'll let me default the recordins to transport stream format |
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| [12:56:29] | justinh: | got my new usb dvb-t dual tuner worky. ish. no signal with the supplied fridge magnet though, as I expected |
| [12:56:34] | justinh: | certainly not in this shed |
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| [13:00:20] | grokky: | gbee: not sure what you mean. with painter set to opengl mythfrontend is flakey (on my system). mythfrontend often wont even start successfully (from mythwelcome), crashing out at "Using NV NPOT texture extension" |
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| [13:00:26] | justinh: | ugh, nearest mast is the one I use at home. predicted field strength here is some 15dB lower. youch |
| [13:00:50] | gbee: | grokky: sounds more like a driver/X issue |
| [13:00:56] | justinh: | that coupled with the shed, the stub aerial.. and all the RF flying around inside the building means no signal :) |
| [13:01:02] | grokky: | gbee: I'm happy using qt painter, but just wanted to report it if it wasn't known about (but if its just me thats fine). |
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| [13:01:49] | justinh: | grokky: bah was about to suggest turning off the compiz crapfest but you don't use a WM.. |
| [13:01:49] | grokky: | gbee: it may be. I have moved to 180.22 to play with vdpau and changed my xorg.conf a bit too. Perhaps I'll just use qt for now and investigate later if no-one else is reporting similar problems. |
| [13:03:48] | grokky: | come to think of it. I also set UIImageCacheSize in settings to a high value to speed up the slow transitions between menu's too, which might have something to do with it. |
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| [13:07:48] | justinh: | slow transitions? only ever saw them on my epia box |
| [13:08:04] | justinh: | since I dumped that I've been very much pro opengl painter :) |
| [13:09:10] | gbee: | grokky: I'm using 180.22 without GL painter issues |
| [13:10:03] | gbee: | justinh: they are slightly slower than they should be in trunk because the image cache stuff isn't entirely finished or working as it should |
| [13:10:57] | justinh: | on my production -fixes box they're very snappy, and I only get about 400fps in glxgears :) |
| [13:11:16] | justinh: | which is ironically less than I got on the epia system |
| [13:11:21] | justinh: | go figure |
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| [13:11:58] | gbee: | well I didn't say they were slow, just not quite as fast as they could/should be |
| [13:12:51] | grokky: | it isn't the opengl painter thats slow, with larger themes, the memory image cache fills, urges old images, loads more, fills, purges etc. It mean't switching between modules very slow (up to 20 or 30 seconds with a theme like "blootube" ;-) |
| [13:13:09] | grokky: | making the imagecache very large mostly solved it, but who knows what else it did. |
| [13:13:10] | justinh: | can't say I've noticed them being any slower. going into menus.. yeah some of them seem a little slow but nothing on the 'eep, wth is XBMC doing all this time' scale |
| [13:13:21] | gbee: | actually the problem is two-fold, started work on fixes for both, but each has it's own annoying issue to work around |
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| [13:15:20] | grokky: | gbee: I can imagine. I started loiking at the code myself (which is how I found out about that DB setting), but my C/C++ is a bit rusty and my holiday mode brain gave up. |
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| [13:16:42] | grokky: | gbee. With GL painter it can take 5 or 10 goes for mythfront end to even start without crashing. I'll poke around a bit more to see if its my config and maybe take a backtrace in the next day or so if it helps. |
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| [13:50:56] | justinh: | woo that's nice. this usb dvb-t thing will pass the whole stream down USB :) |
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| [13:54:24] | Dibblah: | Heh. Linux kernel bugzilla is /.ed. |
| [13:59:18] | gbee: | so long as it's them and not us |
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| [14:01:13] | laga: | sweet |
| [14:01:22] | justinh: | entitlement culture strikes again? |
| [14:01:55] | laga: | i think i also saw that bug in the ubuntu bug tracker |
| [14:01:56] | Dibblah: | "give us our patches or we take away your puny little server" |
| [14:01:57] | Dibblah: | Oh. |
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| [14:09:26] | Dibblah: | Damnit. Now that kerneltrap has stopped updating, is there anywhere else apart from Phoronix? |
| [14:09:48] | Similian: | what ? |
| [14:10:06] | slaine_: | I stopped using Kernel Trap a long time ago |
| [14:10:20] | Dibblah: | ... For kernel news. |
| [14:10:29] | laga: | lkml? ;) |
| [14:10:53] | Dibblah: | justinh: Heh. Your patch is in ;) http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Njk5NQ |
| [14:10:59] | slaine_: | lwn.net ? |
| [14:11:05] | slaine_: | kernel newbies ? |
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| [14:11:52] | Dibblah: | justinh: Hmm maybe not – But there's a lot of TV out stuff... http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/20 . . . /042537.html |
| [14:12:50] | justinh: | my patch wasn't accepted because of doubts about what it'd do to the timing of the video signal |
| [14:13:18] | justinh: | I was going to follow it up by actually testing it on the gear here & making sure it was all ok but.. got sidetracked |
| [14:13:38] | justinh: | as it turned out the unpatched driver works fine on my TV downstairs |
| [14:14:31] | dustybin: | im thinking about using some kind of monitoring tools on my backend box, seems silly checking my logs manually everyday |
| [14:14:43] | Dibblah: | Lot of TV related changes in 2.6.0, though. |
| [14:15:45] | gbee: | finally read that blog post/article that mythtvnews refers to, it's frustrating because it suggests things which won't be true with 0.22 and gives entirely the wrong idea about what people should expect from mythui in 0.22 |
| [14:15:54] | gbee: | 0.23 maybe, but not 0.22 |
| [14:16:38] | gbee: | starting to think that people's expectations of 0.22 aren't going to match the reality |
| [14:17:43] | Dibblah: | Oh, wow! 0.22 will be a whole VR experience! |
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| [14:18:05] | justinh: | 3d user interface, with complete thought recognition & AI recording? |
| [14:18:15] | Dibblah: | Someone listens in here. "sound". |
| [14:18:23] | justinh: | just what I always expected since 0.12 ! |
| [14:18:31] | Dibblah: | smooth transitions. Uhhhm. Nope. |
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| [14:19:00] | gbee: | Dibblah: blog post dates from over a month ago, before justinh suggested that he _might_ work on it |
| [14:19:41] | Dibblah: | Personally, I'm a fan of ripping out the "keypress application" stuff, ... :) |
| [14:20:01] | justinh: | the blog post is aptly titles |
| [14:20:05] | justinh: | "my delusional dream" |
| [14:20:14] | justinh: | s/titles/titled |
| [14:20:37] | GreyFoxx: | Which blog is that ? |
| [14:20:53] | justinh: | the one that says "I\u2019ll be honest, there are times that I get really frustrated with the slow progress of MythTV and how the development seems to stall out frequently, despite its fairly large user base." |
| [14:21:14] | justinh: | http://patrick.wagstrom.net/weblog/2008/12/11 . . . ll-rock-you/ |
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| [14:21:43] | justinh: | development seems to stall out frequently despite its fairly large user base? I can take that one of two ways |
| [14:21:58] | justinh: | 1. the user base is directly proportional to how much we care about the project |
| [14:22:12] | justinh: | or 2. that a very small percentage of users contribute |
| [14:22:14] | Dibblah: | One of which involves you deleting your website and going off to scream at people for a while? ;) |
| [14:22:22] | Dibblah: | Sorry. Cheap shot :( |
| [14:22:37] | justinh: | not having a website stops be being so reactionary |
| [14:22:44] | justinh: | s/be/me |
| [14:22:44] | laga: | Dibblah: ouch .) |
| [14:22:48] | justinh: | angry typos |
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| [14:22:58] | justinh: | no skin off my nose Dibblah |
| [14:23:10] | Dibblah: | IMHO, development stalls out because stupid people submit stupid bug reports with no detail. |
| [14:23:26] | justinh: | but I'm not the only person to have created themes which eventually disappear |
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| [14:23:52] | justinh: | it was just the manner in which they disappeared.. very embarrassing in hindsight |
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| [14:24:30] | justinh: | anyway, it'd be nice FOR ONCE to see ACTUAL news.. not some fudged up conjecture plucked out of somebody's arse |
| [14:25:14] | justinh: | maybe in future an elected person in the project could post titbits of news every now & again to help put a stop to this BS |
| [14:25:28] | justinh: | it's damaging, that kind of blog post IMHO |
| [14:25:43] | Dibblah: | Sure. But for that to happen, there needs to be an election. |
| [14:25:48] | Dibblah: | I nominate justinh. |
| [14:25:51] | justinh: | pah |
| [14:25:54] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [14:26:18] | Dibblah: | One of the _big_ problems at the moment is the length of time since 0.21. |
| [14:26:25] | Dibblah: | There's just too much change. |
| [14:26:33] | GreyFoxx: | Bah, hasn't even been a year yet ;) |
| [14:26:39] | justinh: | I'm not advocating it.. not even saying 'the project' is worried about PR. Not my place to say |
| [14:26:50] | Dibblah: | In terms of commits, it's been a busy time. |
| [14:27:47] | justinh: | it always is |
| [14:28:39] | justinh: | but to the 'outside world' it looks like nothing has happened. without making regular 'press statements' or whatever there's always going to be that. the issue really is, does anybody care to do something about it? ;) |
| [14:30:11] | justinh: | and then, even when you just announce that so & so is working on feature X, it becomes a solid expectation that said feature will be in the next release for sure. no pressure :D |
| [14:30:42] | justinh: | damned if you do, damned if you don't |
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| [14:31:36] | afm: | anyone know if the current libraw1394 v2 fix the current v1.3 issues? |
| [14:32:26] | justinh: | one of the infuriating things about taking mythtv on the road to the likes of LRL was meeting the great unwashed who came to unleash grief. they were few in number but boy they made their presence felt |
| [14:33:03] | shadash: | What about putting out a .22 Release Candidate on a Live cd? |
| [14:33:47] | shadash: | that will keep people happy, introduce the new features, and be fairly closed to change. |
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| [14:34:52] | quicksilver: | something that other projects have done with great effect |
| [14:35:05] | quicksilver: | is get someone to write a "MythTV Weekly Development News" |
| [14:35:16] | shadash: | just say the .22 RC is ONLY supported on live cd |
| [14:35:18] | quicksilver: | which reports back to the user community, so they have some visibility of progress. |
| [14:35:28] | quicksilver: | Of course, someone has to actually do that. |
| [14:36:15] | justinh: | beats misinformed people spreading half-bakery :) |
| [14:36:30] | shadash: | quicksilver: I kinda thought that is what http://www.mythtv.org/ was for. |
| [14:36:50] | justinh: | though some here would argue people with a clue need only ready the -commits & -dev list.. and I'd be tempted to join in |
| [14:36:50] | shadash: | It just needs to be updated |
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| [14:37:24] | shadash: | Personally I monitor all recent changes in the Myth Wiki + dev list |
| [14:38:06] | dustybin: | think im going to install nagios on my backend |
| [14:38:30] | justinh: | nagios by name, nagging by nature? |
| [14:38:38] | dustybin: | :P |
| [14:38:51] | dustybin: | justinh: how do you monitor your backend? manually? |
| [14:38:59] | shadash: | don't ask about SNMP traps here or people will get pissed |
| [14:39:03] | justinh: | I don't, generally |
| [14:39:16] | justinh: | if it falls over I get it back up again & try to find out what happened |
| [14:39:17] | dustybin: | SNMP trap? |
| [14:39:21] | dustybin: | haha |
| [14:39:28] | dustybin: | justinh: thats what i have done for the last 3 years |
| [14:39:46] | justinh: | usually user error, like I looked at something too hard near the backend & a plug came out of a socket |
| [14:39:55] | dustybin: | heh |
| [14:40:09] | justinh: | .. due to a mile high pile of boxes falling over |
| [14:40:51] | justinh: | what you have to ask yourself is.. is it only television or does your life depend on it? |
| [14:41:40] | shadash: | Dev should put out live cd snapshots of the current progress |
| [14:41:59] | shadash: | other projects are starting to do that |
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| [14:42:45] | shadash: | makes testing new code much easier because testers have a preconfigured system |
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| [14:43:48] | shadash: | but it would require rpm packages to be made to do the delta live cds in a script |
| [14:44:12] | shadash: | which I don't think people in this group are very exited about |
| [14:45:09] | shadash: | I don't know if debian is able to do the delta live cd thing |
| [14:46:25] | shadash: | billions more for BofA yay! http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Bank-Am . . . DBDB3077D%7D |
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| [14:48:36] | shadash: | keep codeing in your basement while the banks steal all out tax dollars. Then lend it back to us at a higher rate of interest |
| [14:48:48] | quicksilver: | justinh: the stupid RF sockets on the back of my TV cards have no 'grippiness' to them. |
| [14:48:57] | quicksilver: | justinh: if the cat so much as looks at them, they fall out. |
| [14:49:12] | quicksilver: | and the backend has been known to crash due to a sudden loss of signal. |
| [14:49:23] | quicksilver: | mind you I have a cron job restarting the backend every 5 minutes. |
| [14:49:25] | justinh: | heh |
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| [14:49:41] | quicksilver: | cats make great hardware stress testeres |
| [14:49:57] | justinh: | that USB thing I just got.. the aerial socket is tighter than a nun's wossname |
| [14:50:08] | directhex: | cat /dev/urandom |
| [14:53:47] | justinh: | jees. one of my mates definitely hides his light under a bushel. projects he's been head of have won webby awards, a sony radio award etc.. |
| [14:54:58] | directhex: | adult entertainment expo award? |
| [14:55:17] | justinh: | nah. real stuff |
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| [15:10:47] | keith4: | dustybin: I use monit to make sure the backend is up. you could also use nagios with an event handler, but that seems like overkill if it's just for mythtv |
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| [15:11:55] | dustybin: | keith4: ive seen you in another channel? |
| [15:13:17] | keith4: | perhaps |
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| [15:17:31] | justinh: | hmm nokia i810 less than 80 squids @ Peesee werlde |
| [15:17:48] | justinh: | er.. N810. duh |
| [15:19:05] | GreyFoxx: | OR just run the backend in a script which just in an infinite while loop. Emailing out each time the loop iterates |
| [15:19:35] | jams: | way to simple |
| [15:19:42] | GreyFoxx: | Wont catch a hang, but would catch crashes and auto restart and alert you :) |
| [15:19:44] | GreyFoxx: | jej |
| [15:19:45] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [15:19:48] | GreyFoxx: | I like simple :) |
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| [15:20:14] | GreyFoxx: | I run my FE's that way, auto backtrace if I have that enabled, and syslog the restart |
| [15:20:17] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: you'd make a poor movie villain ;) |
| [15:20:33] | GreyFoxx: | And I do not explain my plan to the hero until AFTER they are a corpse :) |
| [15:20:39] | justinh: | hahaha |
| [15:20:45] | jams: | GreyFoxx- same here, it works rather well |
| [15:21:13] | justinh: | when my backend falls over it tends not to be the mythbackend process but the _machine_ |
| [15:21:26] | GreyFoxx: | justinh: Ouch |
| [15:22:01] | justinh: | power related usually. hence my (so far unfulfilled) need to get a UPS |
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| [15:22:15] | justinh: | just CBA to spend money on something I don't need 99% of the time :) |
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| [15:22:41] | GreyFoxx: | I have a crappy little ups now. I need something a little bigger. My current one can't run everything I have long enough for proper shut downs so only a couple machines are on it |
| [15:23:11] | directhex: | i need something stronger? |
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| [15:31:00] | shadash: | GreyFoxx: Make sure you test your UPS. I had a crappy one that held a charge for 2 hours when the power went out. But it required you to manually reset the device after the power came back on! |
| [15:31:16] | shadash: | what a stupid design |
| [15:31:45] | shadash: | I had to go to the office at 8am the day after Xmas |
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| [15:31:51] | shadash: | and push a putton |
| [15:31:54] | shadash: | button |
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| [15:38:33] | GreyFoxx: | We have a couple like there here. They are very hated :) |
| [15:39:19] | jams: | i would love to know the reasoning behind that idea |
| [15:40:26] | GreyFoxx: | OR UPSs that wont power on (evne with afull battery) unless they have incoming power |
| [15:41:06] | GreyFoxx: | So if you see a UPS getting low, and have another with a full fscking battery than you want to daisy chain to the first.... you can't because you can't turn the fucker on |
| [15:41:29] | GreyFoxx: | We've literally had to transport them 2 at a time 1 feeding the other to locations which had no power becaus eof it |
| [15:41:31] | justinh: | presumably the reasoning for the push button thing is so you'll pay much more dosh for one without that 'feature' :P |
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| [15:49:48] | justinh: | ugh. now the 'watched' progress indicator obviates the need of a 'watched' icon. yeah. replace one tiny icon with a progress indicator covering a much bigger area. no argument :P |
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| [16:20:02] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: I'd favor the option for either, personally-- I generally don't care how far into a program that I'm watching I am, just having the reminder that it's underway is enough for me |
| [16:20:44] | iamlindoro_: | I mean, do I care that I have 12 minutes of Colbert left when, should I need to step away, I can simply bookmark it again? |
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| [16:25:41] | iamlindoro_: | Theme, I dub thee graphite |
| [16:30:20] | ** justinh wonders how thin said material would have to be for it to become translucent :P ** | |
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| [16:31:12] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: naw I like the idea of both, just stating that saying one makes the other pointless is a bit silly IMHO |
| [16:31:33] | iamlindoro_: | It's the polishy type of graphite ;) |
| [16:31:58] | iamlindoro_: | And it's as much as free software can afford, ergo the translucence ;) |
| [16:32:13] | justinh: | haha |
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| [16:33:06] | directhex: | "graphite" is an overused name for themes. how about something unique, like "oingo boingo"! |
| [16:33:19] | iamlindoro_: | How about suckit-wide? |
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| [16:33:40] | iamlindoro_: | or perhaps getoffyourownassandwriteathemeandthenyoucannameit-wide? |
| [16:33:44] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [16:34:09] | directhex: | i'm channeling the spirit of #mythtv-users |
| [16:35:14] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: Seen my little effort? http://robertmcnamara.smugmug.com/gallery/706 . . . 117366_LR4PH |
| [16:36:07] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, ehm..... ever seen my personal website? o_o |
| [16:36:34] | iamlindoro_: | meh? |
| [16:36:56] | directhex: | http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/ |
| [16:37:00] | directhex: | notice any similarities? ;) |
| [16:37:22] | justinh: | xbmccanbitemyshinyglassass-wide ? |
| [16:37:24] | iamlindoro_: | So then you're saying you'll take two? ;) |
| [16:37:29] | directhex: | so yes, i like the shade of grey and the clean white lines with curved corners ;) |
| [16:37:50] | ** iamlindoro_ just wishes Qt rendered text as nicely as Inkscape does ** | |
| [16:38:04] | directhex: | justinh, name it something the cool kids won't want to use, like hugedongs-wide \o/ |
| [16:38:18] | iamlindoro_: | wangs-wide? |
| [16:39:12] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, are those background images user-supplied? |
| [16:39:17] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: yes |
| [16:39:42] | iamlindoro_: | right now they're hard-coded to an image name, but by release each plugin will point at a fanart dir that is fillable by the user |
| [16:39:52] | iamlindoro_: | and MythVideo will fully support fanart downloads, too |
| [16:40:09] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, per-movie? |
| [16:40:12] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: yep |
| [16:40:14] | directhex: | awesome |
| [16:41:23] | iamlindoro_: | Couple that with streaming MythVideo content without mounting it, grabbers for TV content, etc. and... well, 22. won't suck :) |
| [16:41:25] | iamlindoro_: | er .22 |
| [16:41:38] | laga: | iamlindoro_: huh? mythvideo can do that now? |
| [16:41:47] | iamlindoro_: | laga: Huh? |
| [16:41:56] | iamlindoro_: | laga: You can't stream MythVideo content right now |
| [16:41:59] | laga: | streaming |
| [16:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | It will by the end of next week |
| [16:42:04] | GreyFoxx: | I have it working |
| [16:42:05] | laga: | GreyFoxx: ooooooooooooh |
| [16:42:07] | GreyFoxx: | just need to commit it |
| [16:42:25] | laga: | i had this proof of concept code to download remote files in mytharchive |
| [16:42:26] | GreyFoxx: | so content wont need to be locally reachable anymore |
| [16:42:27] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, i have a brand new vdpau-capable BEFE, too |
| [16:42:31] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, with hdmi |
| [16:42:32] | laga: | GreyFoxx: great. |
| [16:42:53] | GreyFoxx: | hopefully music, photos, covers and channel icons will be the same afterward |
| [16:42:56] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: BEFE sounds dirty |
| [16:43:00] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, whatever next, on the fly transcoding for upnp users? |
| [16:43:06] | ** directhex BEFEs iamlindoro_ long & hard ** | |
| [16:43:15] | ** iamlindoro_ showers, still feels dirty ** | |
| [16:43:25] | iamlindoro_: | Can't...get..clean... |
| [16:43:55] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, so when are we dropping the frontend and using xbmc instead? ;) |
| [16:44:09] | GreyFoxx: | eww :) |
| [16:44:23] | GreyFoxx: | Well that's not nice |
| [16:44:38] | GreyFoxx: | It's not for me, but obviously the guys put a lot of work in it and a lot of users like it |
| [16:44:51] | GreyFoxx: | and since they are improving mythprotocol support ..... it might be an option for some :) |
| [16:45:00] | justinh: | let em have it, I say :) |
| [16:46:31] | justinh: | once mythtv does everything it's gonna do.. who's to say that there's ever gonna be a real advantage using XBMC anymore? ;) |
| [16:46:32] | iamlindoro_: | "If they don't like it, f*** 'em, we'll just fork their backend" |
| [16:46:50] | iamlindoro_: | --- as heard in #xbmc |
| [16:46:51] | GreyFoxx: | has someone said that ? |
| [16:46:55] | GreyFoxx: | Hahahah |
| [16:46:58] | GreyFoxx: | more power to them :) |
| [16:47:09] | GreyFoxx: | Here's the car and here are the keys |
| [16:47:18] | iamlindoro_: | I refrained from saying that, too much comedy to be had when they realize it's not in python |
| [16:47:19] | GreyFoxx: | YOU let users bitch when they miss wheel of fortune :) |
| [16:47:29] | justinh: | * no guarantee that was said by a dev though |
| [16:47:33] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [16:47:36] | GreyFoxx: | very true |
| [16:47:36] | iamlindoro_: | It was |
| [16:47:40] | directhex: | mythprotocol is a little fragile, to be fair |
| [16:47:50] | justinh: | still, no guarantee |
| [16:47:52] | GreyFoxx: | It's not fragile |
| [16:47:56] | GreyFoxx: | It's just not well documented |
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| [16:48:03] | GreyFoxx: | which leads to problems |
| [16:48:07] | directhex: | so why breakage between versions? |
| [16:48:25] | ** iamlindoro_ somehow manages not to need fancy acrobatics to keep his backend up ** | |
| [16:48:32] | GreyFoxx: | that's not a sign of fragility, it's growth and an unwillingness to keep backward compatibility :) |
| [16:48:50] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: no matter whose IRC nick uttered the words, I don't think it's any more accurate than equating some dude on the -dev list with mythtv's developers |
| [16:49:05] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, kernel abi compatibility is even more fragile ;) |
| [16:49:10] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Well, in fairness, they have a commit-announce bot, and said nick was committing |
| [16:49:33] | justinh: | ok iamlindoro_ , you go smash up your getout :) |
| [16:49:49] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: I'm curious about the context.. What prompted the comment? If we don't like what ? |
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| [16:49:56] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, nipples |
| [16:50:23] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Believe it was a discussion of violation of ToS and differences in philosophies over legality in the two projects |
| [16:50:27] | GreyFoxx: | I forone am a fan of nipples, appropriately placed and in the right quantity and gender |
| [16:50:31] | justinh: | one of my resolutions was to stop bitching about things.. brings shame to the project if somebody associated with it says awful things about others' work |
| [16:50:39] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Hahaha ok |
| [16:50:55] | iamlindoro_: | eg MythTV = violation of law/ToS not okay, XBMC = YAY FOR FREES! |
| [16:51:01] | justinh: | oh how I've failed already :) |
| [16:51:06] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, and nipples |
| [16:51:10] | iamlindoro_: | also, nipples |
| [16:51:22] | directhex: | hometime |
| [16:54:48] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: yeah |
| [16:55:01] | GreyFoxx: | It would be nice to be so carefree with that sort of thing |
| [16:55:20] | justinh: | it'd be kinda funny (but sad) if it came up & bit them hard though |
| [16:55:38] | GreyFoxx: | but I'm a grown up and accepts limitations in what I'm allowed to do, and wont risk someone else getting legal costs for my wanting everythign freely now |
| [16:56:10] | iamlindoro_: | There is very very little to be gained from the non-free databases |
| [16:56:15] | Dibblah: | Meh. This is a stupid discussion. |
| [16:56:43] | iamlindoro_: | Music? There's a Free, broad DB for that. TV? We pay for that, moot point. Movies? New, limited but promising source. Games? There's a free DB for that. |
| [16:56:44] | Dibblah: | The main problem (for me) has nothing to do with the legality. |
| [16:57:00] | Dibblah: | It's that when they see a scraper, they WILL change the site. |
| [16:57:06] | Dibblah: | And that means tickets. |
| [16:57:10] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
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| [16:57:25] | Dibblah: | So, bugger that for a barrel of monkeys. |
| [16:57:35] | GreyFoxx: | and evenif they aren't trying to get around the scraper, they will change the site as a course of business |
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| [16:57:46] | iamlindoro_: | I also think MythMovies is, well... dumb. Not having tons of grabber sources doesn't bother me personally :) |
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| [16:57:52] | GreyFoxx: | and that generates user tickets |
| [16:58:31] | dustybin: | ** PROBLEM Service Alert: dustybin CRITICAL ... |
| [16:58:40] | GreyFoxx: | To be absolutely honest I don't really care about SASC type users |
| [16:58:44] | justinh: | ah bum! iamlindoro_ you know that webthingy doodah there is now.. remember me saying 'yada yada yada general info display gadget wotsit' a while back? That's it! |
| [16:58:59] | GreyFoxx: | Especially those that honest want to access content they feel they are paying for |
| [16:59:09] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Heh |
| [16:59:18] | GreyFoxx: | But it doesn'tmean I'll help them with it or accept it as anything official |
| [16:59:28] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: You're absolutely right, though... that's one place where it would apply nicely |
| [16:59:32] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: just cack up some script or other to generate a local page from lmsensors & crap... bingo! |
| [16:59:50] | justinh: | so it'll only update when you go into it but wtf like so what? ;) |
| [17:00:02] | justinh: | that's mythweather obsolete now too |
| [17:00:05] | justinh: | jesus |
| [17:00:21] | ** iamlindoro_ fears the MythWeather theming ** | |
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| [17:00:35] | iamlindoro_: | Also see MythMovies, MythFlix, MythZoneCrapper |
| [17:00:40] | justinh: | how? point the webby thingy wossname at a weather webpage |
| [17:00:42] | GreyFoxx: | mythweather scares me :) |
| [17:00:48] | GreyFoxx: | I wont even configure it :) |
| [17:01:02] | laga: | mythweather is a bit more complex than just pointing a widget to a website ;) |
| [17:01:10] | GreyFoxx: | I spent 10 minutes trying to get it to cooperate one day and just aborted that mission |
| [17:01:14] | Anduin: | GreyFoxx: most can't even if they try |
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| [17:01:27] | GreyFoxx: | Anduin: Yeah |
| [17:01:40] | GreyFoxx: | It use to be so much simpler |
| [17:01:40] | iamlindoro_: | Also MythPhone, MythArchive |
| [17:01:56] | justinh: | laga: if a user can edit an xml file, it's easier than trying to configure mythweather. gbee made it a lot easier than how it started out in the new version but still... |
| [17:02:01] | iamlindoro_: | So Six plugins whose theming sounds like a painful chore. Ew. |
| [17:02:41] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: do you use em? |
| [17:02:46] | iamlindoro_: | Nope |
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| [17:02:53] | justinh: | bingo bango :) |
| [17:03:13] | justinh: | I themed mytharchive once. Never a bloody gain, not in the next life.. NEVER |
| [17:03:31] | iamlindoro_: | Will *probably* tackle MythFlix (because it's easy), MythWeather (because it's so standard) and MythMovies (because I *occasionally* look at it and it should be easy) |
| [17:03:34] | GreyFoxx: | I'd love to get some sort of metrics on Country of the user and the plugin usage |
| [17:03:49] | justinh: | I've said never a lot before but by God I've never meant it more than I mean it for theming those 9 screens |
| [17:04:13] | GreyFoxx: | With SD we can get a bit of a number of US and Canadian users. but of course not plugin usage |
| [17:04:19] | justinh: | it's not that it's hard or anything, it's just that you have to go through every single one, change stuff & go back... |
| [17:04:47] | ** Dibblah really should start using quilt :( ** | |
| [17:04:54] | GreyFoxx: | Dibblah: Me too :/ |
| [17:05:11] | Dibblah: | ... I am to the stage where I have _no_ idea what patches are and are not on my live system :( |
| [17:05:27] | justinh: | MythSASC is used almost exclusively in NA, DK & DE.. or am I just generalising? |
| [17:05:48] | Dibblah: | Ahem? |
| [17:05:54] | GreyFoxx: | Really count' say |
| [17:05:56] | laga: | MythSASC? put down that crack pipe |
| [17:06:01] | troldrik: | SASC? |
| [17:06:15] | GreyFoxx: | outside of NA I have no idea how many other locations wont supply cams :) |
| [17:06:21] | troldrik: | no clue what it even is, and I'm in .dk. |
| [17:07:15] | Dibblah: | troldrik: It's not something that's discussed here. |
| [17:07:26] | Dibblah: | And not something that most people need. |
| [17:07:40] | troldrik: | Oh... that dvb-s 'patchset'? |
| [17:07:45] | GreyFoxx: | In fact most of the time users fingers are smacked just for bringing it up :) |
| [17:07:47] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [17:08:05] | jams: | GreyFoxx- with a few more lines of code mythsmolt could answer your question! |
| [17:08:27] | jams: | currently it doesn't collect plugin usage |
| [17:08:29] | GreyFoxx: | I'd love to know if users use half of the plugins, and roughly where they are |
| [17:08:42] | justinh: | heh. you could get em on the premise of collecting bug tracking data :P |
| [17:08:47] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [17:08:48] | jams: | might just add that in. |
| [17:09:13] | justinh: | last shows watched, upcoming shows, channels in the database.. |
| [17:09:24] | iamlindoro_: | So long as one user uses a plugin/PVR-350/framegrabber, removing them/it/support will result in WHAT THE EFFING EFF WHAT THE HELL IS *WRONG* WITH YOU PEOPLE |
| [17:09:34] | justinh: | </kidding> |
| [17:09:52] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: I can ignore that kind stuff :) |
| [17:10:05] | iamlindoro_: | Oh, and external players |
| [17:10:07] | Dibblah: | iamlindoro_: Whee. Take some of these little white pills. They'll make you feel so much calmer. |
| [17:10:13] | iamlindoro_: | <----- HATES external player support |
| [17:10:16] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: wait til the hatemail starts rolling in when people discover 0.22 no worky with project bloohem & whatever. whoops |
| [17:10:24] | GreyFoxx: | I need so reason to not support external players, just make it not be the default |
| [17:10:30] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: I suggest public postings and ridicule :) |
| [17:10:44] | justinh: | this time will be mucho different |
| [17:10:49] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Meh, I think allowing it as a static player command on a per-file basis should be as far as it goes |
| [17:11:04] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: ie allowed but *strongly* discouraged |
| [17:11:29] | jams: | heh somebody is using G.A.N.T at 707x577 |
| [17:11:37] | Dibblah: | Wierd. This week, the heisenbug with the scanner crashing on multicore CPUs is gone. |
| [17:11:39] | GreyFoxx: | crazy |
| [17:11:42] | iamlindoro_: | It shouldn't be so easy to go "Muhhhhhhhhhhhh Myth no work on this file I'll just swat this fly with an elephant gun and use mplayer instead" |
| [17:12:02] | justinh: | I can see an argument for external players where they have stuff like fancy sw scaling & myth doesn't... that's quite valid IMHO |
| [17:12:15] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
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| [17:12:34] | jams: | even better blootube.639.511 |
| [17:12:36] | justinh: | but where myth fails to play $file in .MKV from 1337.com ... |
| [17:12:59] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: All the better to encourage patches to the internal player |
| [17:13:03] | meshe: | are you guys talking about MythVideo? |
| [17:13:14] | justinh: | no. Scotch mist |
| [17:13:28] | GreyFoxx: | meshe: Currently yes :) |
| [17:13:38] | GreyFoxx: | and it's allowing External apps for playback |
| [17:14:01] | GreyFoxx: | I say default to internal and let the user change if they have the need |
| [17:14:18] | justinh: | right, hometime! |
| [17:14:21] | meshe: | last night I was fighting with audio sync issues, one file works great with mplayer but another is out of sync but works with vlc |
| [17:14:52] | justinh: | and that's mythtv's problem how? |
| [17:14:53] | justinh: | ;) |
| [17:14:56] | meshe: | it's by filetype so I was thinking of writing a wrapper that picked the player depending on the extention |
| [17:15:04] | meshe: | justinh: no, never said that |
| [17:15:11] | GreyFoxx: | Why not just use the Internal player ? |
| [17:15:12] | iamlindoro_: | Why use a wrapper? You can do that in myth right now? |
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| [17:15:26] | GreyFoxx: | And myth supports per extension player settings |
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| [17:15:35] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, preferably use the internal player, but if not, you can specify a player per extens.... god damn it, GreyFoxx |
| [17:15:41] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [17:15:42] | GreyFoxx: | so you can say use mplayer for .xyz but default to Internal or everything else |
| [17:15:43] | GreyFoxx: | and so on |
| [17:15:47] | justinh: | and per file, IIRC |
| [17:16:00] | meshe: | i didn't see a setting for that, my mythvideo was configured with mplayer by default |
| [17:16:16] | meshe: | if there's a per file way, that's great :) |
| [17:16:16] | GreyFoxx: | meshe: If you want to try it change the player to "Internal" with the capital I |
| [17:16:36] | GreyFoxx: | Same Remote controls, OSD, keys bookmarks, timestretch and so on |
| [17:16:45] | meshe: | GreyFoxx: i'll definately try that, might fix my sync issues |
| [17:16:45] | iamlindoro_: | meshe: Per file you can go into the video manager, edit metadata on the file, and there's a box for player for that file |
| [17:16:53] | iamlindoro_: | But Internal is awesome |
| [17:16:58] | iamlindoro_: | and extra awesome in trunk |
| [17:17:14] | meshe: | so i'm installing trunk this weekend am i? ;) |
| [17:17:29] | GreyFoxx: | heh The Internal player has been an option for years :) |
| [17:17:33] | Anduin: | only if you like to hurt inside |
| [17:17:37] | GreyFoxx: | you dopn't need trunk for that :) |
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| [17:18:06] | meshe: | thanks guys I'll try that, i spent like 45 mins last night playing with vlc's --audio-desync option |
| [17:18:10] | meshe: | friggin mp4 |
| [17:18:43] | GreyFoxx: | And the internal player on the fly Audio sync changing code . so you can play with it during playback to take an out of sync file and get it back in sync |
| [17:18:55] | GreyFoxx: | wont update the file itself, but makes many broken files playable |
| [17:19:28] | meshe: | would be nice if it could save the sync change with the metadata |
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| [17:19:47] | meshe: | even with VLC it's global though |
| [17:20:06] | meshe: | but that feature is nice, fixing the sync while watching it would be sweet |
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| [17:20:35] | Dibblah: | just map a couple of buttons. Job done. |
| [17:20:41] | meshe: | so is it just: Internal %s |
| [17:20:48] | GreyFoxx: | Nop, just Internal |
| [17:20:50] | GreyFoxx: | no need for the %s |
| [17:20:56] | meshe: | cool |
| [17:21:15] | Dibblah: | Oh, wow. There's people still not using Internal? |
| [17:21:16] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [17:21:38] | meshe: | mythbuntu 8.10 came with mplayer configured as the default |
| [17:22:02] | GreyFoxx: | I believe it's the default in 0.21-release for videos. DVD's default to Internal |
| [17:22:13] | Anduin: | 0.21 has it as the default player, with specific extensions using Internal |
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| [17:25:18] | iamlindoro_: | Anduin: What say you we put this baby to bed once and for all, eh? http://rafb.net/p/4KlloC56.html |
| [17:26:06] | iamlindoro_: | Or at least put a few nails in that coffin ;) |
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| [17:26:43] | Anduin: | iamlindoro_: Yeah, it is a minor thing, before 0.22 is out everything will be Internal |
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| [17:27:39] | meshe: | mythvideo 0.21.0+fixes18722–0ubuntu1 |
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| [17:57:49] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: Am I the only one who was annoyed by Udo's responses to his mem leak thread? Especially the "I know nothing about finding mem leaks, but I'll cut out the valgrind summary from someone else's run that shows 2100 /bytes/ might have been lost and use it as proof that I'm right and mythbackend leaks prodigious amounts of memory." |
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| [18:01:56] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: He's an idea man, look how he's leading the charge! ;) |
| [18:02:11] | sphery: | uh, yeah... |
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| [18:23:30] | directhex: | dear TV, stop applying overscan to hdmi you plonker. love directhex |
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| [18:24:46] | iamlindoro_: | dear directhex, that'll teach you to buy the cheap TV. xoxo, some Taiwanese POS |
| [18:27:43] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, korean. running through a japanese amp. since nvidia-settings reports the latter, i wonder who best to blame |
| [18:28:26] | iamlindoro_: | Hmm |
| [18:28:36] | iamlindoro_: | I would hope the amp doesn't know how to overscan things |
| [18:28:51] | iamlindoro_: | and simply amps and passes through the signal |
| [18:29:14] | directhex: | i could try connecting direct |
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| [18:34:17] | ** kormoc wonders if there's a business plan behind 'SomeoneWantsToLetYouKnowThatYouAreADoucheBag.org' ** | |
| [18:35:22] | Dagmar: | I could drop 2 or 3 bucks on that right now |
| [18:35:37] | iamlindoro_: | It's the companion site to "SomeoneOverestimatesTheAmericanAbilityToSpellManyWordsInARow.edu" |
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| [18:42:47] | Dagmar: | I wonder if they'd take a gift donation of HypocriteAndRacist.edu |
| [18:43:31] | dustybin: | Dagmar: do you use nagios for monitoring? |
| [18:43:36] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [18:43:40] | dustybin: | ace |
| [18:43:48] | dustybin: | i just set it up, got the auth working |
| [18:43:52] | Dagmar: | It's hideous, but it works |
| [18:43:53] | dustybin: | need to edit some more files |
| [18:43:59] | dustybin: | ugly interface indeed |
| [18:44:08] | Dagmar: | No, I'm talking about how it works |
| [18:44:11] | dustybin: | eeek |
| [18:44:18] | Dagmar: | The engine it uses to probe hosts is effectively single-threaded. |
| [18:44:20] | dustybin: | are there any better solutions |
| [18:44:29] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:44:46] | Dagmar: | So if you've got it scanning say, six hundred hosts, when things are running fine it can scan them all in five minutes with no problem |
| [18:45:07] | Dagmar: | Let 30–40 of them drop off the map and watch the time it takes to make a full circuit of the list go to 20–30 minutes |
| [18:45:15] | Honk: | you could always switch to passive checks :] |
| [18:45:23] | Dagmar: | That woulnd't help |
| [18:45:30] | Honk: | why not? |
| [18:45:38] | Dagmar: | Because the damn thing is just designed wrong |
| [18:45:49] | Honk: | why wouldnt it help though? ;P |
| [18:45:49] | dustybin: | there is another monitoring app called 'Zabbix', need to find out more about it |
| [18:46:14] | Dagmar: | Honk: because if it were designed "right" it would scan hosts in parallel |
| [18:46:24] | Honk: | yeah, it would |
| [18:46:32] | Honk: | but why wouldnt passive help? :) |
| [18:46:46] | Dagmar: | Because that doesn't make it scan in parallel. |
| [18:47:02] | Honk: | it removes the waiting part though |
| [18:47:18] | kormoc: | well |
| [18:47:21] | wagnerrp: | i cant imagine it would be that difficult to let the scan fork off and die |
| [18:47:32] | kormoc: | if you wanted to write a full multi-threaded passive checker, sure |
| [18:47:33] | keith4: | Dagmar: a lot of that was fixed in 3.0, fwiw |
| [18:47:36] | afm: | zabbix, zenoss, and opennms |
| [18:47:41] | Dagmar: | When I said "six hundred" a minute ago... I wasn't just pulling that number out of my butt |
| [18:47:53] | wagnerrp: | it might take a dozen lines of code to check what you have running, and make sure you dont fork too many |
| [18:48:02] | Dagmar: | keith4: Well, hopefully we'll be able to upgrade to that sometime before 2012 |
| [18:48:21] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Yeah, such a simple fix, too. |
| [18:48:44] | wagnerrp: | i dont consider myself as knowing heads from tails in code, and ive written scanners that can do that |
| [18:48:48] | keith4: | Dagmar: unless you have a very complex setup, upgrading should be relatively painless |
| [18:49:05] | Dagmar: | keith4: Remember me saying "six hundred hosts"? |
| [18:49:16] | sphery: | Anyone hear what the various networks are doing for the Presidential farewell, tonight? ("return you to ... already in progress", delayed start, not carry, ...) |
| [18:49:28] | keith4: | Dagmar: what... they're not all on the local subnet? ;-) |
| [18:49:42] | Dagmar: | keith4: That depends on how you view the scope of "local subnet" |
| [18:49:58] | Dagmar: | The technical end of upgrading I'm sure will be fine. |
| [18:50:08] | wagnerrp: | hell, i had one going at work that swept some 700 compute nodes every 30 seconds |
| [18:50:14] | Dagmar: | Its the bureaucratic and paperwork end of it that will take a month |
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| [18:50:28] | keith4: | yep |
| [18:50:40] | keith4: | that's why I moved our nagios box to debian, and upgraded to 3.0 without asking anyone |
| [18:50:41] | Honk: | Dagmar: are only the host checks serial? or everything? |
| [18:50:47] | keith4: | better to beg forgiveness than ask permission |
| [18:50:52] | afm: | nagios is the sh!t |
| [18:50:57] | kormoc: | keith4, in a lot of places that will get you fired |
| [18:51:03] | Dagmar: | VERY fired |
| [18:51:24] | Honk: | cuz service checks are not.. maybe you just need to increase max_concurrent_checks ;P |
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| [18:51:43] | keith4: | yet one more reason to be glad i work at a university |
| [18:51:49] | wagnerrp: | of course when youre dealing with that volume of nodes, something with a strategy like ganglia seems to prevail over a single host |
| [18:51:55] | Dagmar: | keith_: I work at a university. |
| [18:52:03] | Dagmar: | keith4: It would still get someone fired. |
| [18:52:11] | kormoc: | ganglia sounds like a STD |
| [18:52:20] | keith4: | oh, and have a boss that isn't interested in being a boss |
| [18:52:25] | keith4: | i forgot that part |
| [18:52:58] | wagnerrp: | the nodes all run their own daemon, communicate over multicast, and the master just grabs an update from one node all at once |
| [18:53:12] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: I take it ganglia is an ansible kinda dealie? Master box farms out monitoring tasks to slave boxes and so forth? |
| [18:53:27] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, works great in a isolated network, not so hawt with remote hosts |
| [18:53:27] | Dagmar: | Yeah, some asshole took out a patent on doing that. |
| [18:53:43] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: yeah, ill go with that |
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| [18:54:35] | wagnerrp: | the only problem was that with some 700 nodes, i had to put the rrd files inside a memory disk to keep up with the traffic |
| [18:54:37] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: btw: keep up the good work... Your theme is looking great... |
| [18:54:46] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A|work: Thanks! |
| [18:54:56] | wagnerrp: | it defaults to some 30 metrics updating every 20 seconds |
| [18:55:32] | wagnerrp: | so i had some 60k updates per minute |
| [18:55:47] | Dagmar: | Ooof. Here's a good question somewhat unrelated to myth tho.... Is there a way to kludge a flock-like setup in a single db table? |
| [18:55:48] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A|work: The "too busy" crowd can use what they want-- if the point is to prove that you can do anything with MythUI you can do in "other" media center apps, then someone had sure as hell *do* it |
| [18:56:18] | Dagmar: | I actually got mad enough about Nagios to start rewriting it (back about two years ago) and I ran into a problem with that |
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| [18:57:43] | Dagmar: | What I mean is, you can keep two processes in step with one another by having them flock on a specific file, but I couldn't find a way to easily have asynchonous jobs poll the database and look for tasks that need to be done "like, now" and mark them as "already grabbed by somebody" in the same stoke |
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| [18:58:18] | kormoc: | Dagmar, you can lock a table so no other thread can read or write to it until you release the lock |
| [18:58:29] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but that'd block the whole table. |
| [18:58:41] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: Yeah, I don't agree with them – I don't think it's "too busy"... What makes them think that, the background graphics? The imformative icons? Jeepers... |
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| [18:58:57] | Dagmar: | A bit coarse for what I had in mind (although still doable) |
| [18:58:59] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A|work: Well, it's only the one guy, everyone else has been kind and positive |
| [18:58:59] | kormoc: | Dagmar, aye, but if it's just a table for jobs, should be light enough, no? |
| [18:59:01] | Unidentified1472: | hey guys... question: what call to the backend actually is responsible for generating the thumbnails of recorded shows.. only when I go to mythweb/recorded does it actually create the png files |
| [18:59:03] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: before finding ganglia, i had something like that set up |
| [18:59:12] | wagnerrp: | i dont remember quite how it worked though |
| [18:59:20] | Dagmar: | kormoc: Well, the other issue is that far as I know those locks don't magically go away |
| [18:59:35] | Dagmar: | flock() is wondermous in that they all disappear when your process dies |
| [18:59:38] | kormoc: | Dagmar, sure they do, on connection exiting or by the UNLOCK TABLE statement |
| [18:59:53] | Dagmar: | Ah |
| [19:00:00] | Dagmar: | I thought they'd just stay locked until you unlocked them |
| [19:01:52] | Dagmar: | I gotta spend more time working with MySQL |
| [19:03:40] | wagnerrp: | i think i had a pair of timestamps |
| [19:04:04] | Dagmar: | I just got in the habit of always making my talking to MySQL simply connect, get the data, discconnect, do something with data, and no messing about |
| [19:04:17] | Dagmar: | No wonder I wasn't going to find much use in locks |
| [19:04:19] | wagnerrp: | one for when the process was seen that it was up next, the other when the process actually grabbed it |
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| [19:04:46] | wagnerrp: | the first pass looked for the oldest of both timestamps, and updated the one |
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| [19:04:58] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Well, I was planning on just spawning children until I'd hit max_children, and having each child independently rummage through the list of tasks to find work |
| [19:05:00] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9667184 |
| [19:05:06] | iamlindoro_: | Why doesn't linux want people to LEARN? |
| [19:05:09] | wagnerrp: | the second pass grabbed which ever had the oldest of one, but a recent stamp on the other |
| [19:05:20] | wagnerrp: | third updated the latter timestamp |
| [19:05:27] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: So... I was looking at a lot of opportunity for bad race conditions without some locking mechanism |
| [19:05:38] | wagnerrp: | no locking mechanism |
| [19:05:52] | wagnerrp: | just a way for a thread to tag a process as used |
| [19:06:21] | wagnerrp: | its not perfect, you could lose jobs, but you wouldnt run them multiple times |
| [19:06:26] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: because they're mainly lazy s**ts who will blame anyone and everyone for their own laziness |
| [19:06:43] | wagnerrp: | now that i think about it, that would explain the behavior i was seeing |
| [19:07:17] | wagnerrp: | nodes would show up as stale because they hadnt been updated in the database in the allotted amount of time |
| [19:07:18] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Dell won't sell you a machine with Ubuntu on it unless a) you ask specifically for that or b) you really piss off the salesperson |
| [19:07:32] | Dagmar: | She's making it sound like she was given Ubuntu against her will |
| [19:08:32] | iamlindoro_: | Which begs the question |
| [19:08:39] | iamlindoro_: | Why does Linux rape college students? |
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| [19:08:48] | troldrik: | Because it's fun? |
| [19:08:54] | wagnerrp: | linux rapes college students? |
| [19:09:04] | afm_: | they can' really sell support on the ubuntu machines |
| [19:09:13] | Dagmar: | Because it's easier to blame Linux than to get one's head unstuck from one's alimentary canal |
| [19:09:21] | wagnerrp: | daemon rapes linux! www.linuxisforbitches.com |
| [19:09:25] | Dagmar: | afm_: Actually they can |
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| [19:09:43] | afm_: | support worth paying for? |
| [19:09:53] | Dagmar: | Between Canonical and their own in-house stuff, Dell actually can support that |
| [19:10:03] | afm_: | they're RHEL department is actually faily impressive...but it costs, and isn't for a home user |
| [19:10:13] | afm_: | fairly rather... |
| [19:10:32] | Dagmar: | afm_: Their RHEL stuff is only sold in the business sales division as well |
| [19:10:39] | Dagmar: | ...and only by the "technical sales reps" |
| [19:10:48] | strex-work: | Can anyone recommend a fix for: NVIDIA(0): Initialized GPU GART. ? |
| [19:10:51] | Dagmar: | <-- worked for Dell in that dept for 3 months once |
| [19:11:06] | iamlindoro_: | strex-work: A fix for a GPU working? |
| [19:11:09] | iamlindoro_: | Sure, go get a hammer |
| [19:11:09] | Dagmar: | strex-work: Take the card out and smash it with a hammer. |
| [19:11:15] | Dagmar: | That'll keep it from initializing again. |
| [19:11:23] | strex-work: | lol |
| [19:11:27] | afm_: | ha |
| [19:11:29] | iamlindoro_: | Next we'll solve the whole "computer boots" issue |
| [19:11:40] | wagnerrp: | disturbed minds think alike |
| [19:11:51] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [19:12:06] | strex-work: | my FE is dropping video frams bad, and that's the message I get in xorg.log when it happens.. repeats whenever the video freezes / skips. |
| [19:12:15] | ** afm_ is listening to a meeting and playing buzz word bingo.... ** | |
| [19:12:22] | Dagmar: | strex-work: Don't think so. |
| [19:12:43] | strex-work: | Dagmar: care to see the xorg.log? |
| [19:12:54] | Dagmar: | You're saying you've got "NVIDIA(0): Initialized GPU GART" showing up in the syslog multiple times per hour that doesn't involve a lot of rebooting? |
| [19:13:05] | wagnerrp: | ah, so the woman couldnt figure out how to get her WAN card working on linux |
| [19:13:08] | afm_: | we must think outside-the-box, and synergize our hyperlocal multi-channel partnership |
| [19:13:14] | wagnerrp: | and couldnt figure out how to get Word working under WINE |
| [19:13:15] | strex-work: | Dagmar: yes. |
| [19:13:30] | wagnerrp: | or gasp... just switch to ooffice |
| [19:13:31] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: OpenOffice would actually do everything but the dreaded VB macros |
| [19:13:44] | Dagmar: | strex-work: This I gotta see |
| [19:13:49] | iamlindoro_: | BTW, I want you all to tell your children where you were when they announced finding life on mars... listening to me shout the word PENIS! |
| [19:13:51] | Dagmar: | You should normally only see that when the driver is loading up |
| [19:14:01] | wagnerrp: | so its got nothing to do with ubuntu, but rather her lack of ability with ubuntu |
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| [19:14:10] | strex-work: | Dagmar: I agree, 1 sec I'll make it accessable. |
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| [19:14:33] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: They've found life on Mars? |
| [19:14:34] | wagnerrp: | i like how that article is put under the 'entertainment' category on slashdot |
| [19:15:20] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Because everyone reading it is basically chuckling "She coulnd't get *Ubuntu* to go on a DHCP-managed network? |
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| [19:16:43] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar: They have apparently found plumes of methane that they believe indicate microbial life |
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| [19:16:44] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: well that depends... was it the disk to her Verizon DSL/FIOS? or some WAN card? |
| [19:17:11] | wagnerrp: | cell access |
| [19:17:11] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: More of the "everybody farts" line of thinking I guess |
| [19:17:23] | iamlindoro_: | yar |
| [19:18:17] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: THere's actually a pretty good chance that after having the l/p put into the right place, that such things will magically "just work" even on Ubuntu now |
| [19:18:30] | strex-work: | Dagmar: see priv mesg |
| [19:18:39] | wagnerrp: | you find some of the more complex alkanes, i might be impressed |
| [19:18:59] | wagnerrp: | but i could see methane being generated by natural processes |
| [19:19:09] | Dagmar: | strex-work: STill not seeing a URL of any sort |
| [19:19:31] | strex-work: | Dagmar: http://domesticide.net/~strex/xlog |
| [19:20:03] | wagnerrp: | didnt some guy generate methane and various organic compounds by simulating the primordial ooze in the 50s? |
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| [19:21:09] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: I don't think anyone is saying it's a 100% conclusion, just that it's as close to a likelihood as possible given the presence of water/ice in the spots where they've found the methane |
| [19:22:56] | Dagmar: | strex-work: Digging around with Google now. Is there anything weird in syslog appearing aroound those times? |
| [19:22:59] | GreyFoxx: | _abbenormal: Where did you see/read that ? |
| [19:23:10] | GreyFoxx: | err iamlindor: Where did you see/read that ? |
| [19:23:55] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: They just had a press conference, but: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,479997,00.html |
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| [19:24:40] | iamlindoro_: | No real articles yet on the press conference, which are likely to be more enlightening |
| [19:24:43] | strex-work: | Dagmar: sense Xorg.0.log doesn't timestamp it's hard to tell, but possibly this: kernel: [36609.472828] NVRM: Xid (0004:00): 13, 0000 01019700 00003497 00001808 00000000 00800000 |
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| [19:25:06] | Xteven: | hi, does anyone have a dvb-s card with CI module that works in linux ? |
| [19:25:16] | Dagmar: | Xteven: Nope |
| [19:25:34] | Xteven: | hmm ok :) |
| [19:25:37] | Xteven: | anyone else ? |
| [19:25:52] | iamlindoro_: | Xteven: www.linuxtv.org |
| [19:25:52] | wagnerrp: | when you have something like this that is about real science |
| [19:26:01] | wagnerrp: | WHY WOULD YOU INTERVIEW A UFO HUNTER!? |
| [19:26:47] | iamlindoro_: | Because you can get dramatic statements like "It's the biggest finding of all time" |
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| [19:27:03] | Dagmar: | strex-work: Is the 172.x driver the one Ubuntu is trying to install? I think you might actually need an older driver for the 5200 |
| [19:27:04] | wagnerrp: | especially one that makes ignorant blanket statements like 'its an absolute certainty that there is life out there and we are not alone' |
| [19:27:21] | Dagmar: | strex-work: Might be you need older or newer, but it's looking like something's bugged and |
| [19:27:23] | strex-work: | Dagmar: yes, that's whats installed. |
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| [19:27:37] | wagnerrp: | its a statistically improbability that we are alone, but its still possible |
| [19:27:48] | wagnerrp: | no such thing as a certainty until you prove it |
| [19:27:50] | strex-work: | Dagmar: I'll try downgrading the driver. |
| [19:27:58] | Dagmar: | Hmm... |
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| [19:28:21] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, Love the newest post in the "getting started with trunk" thread |
| [19:28:30] | iamlindoro_: | "I'm getting ready to start playing VDPAU and see what it's all about.." |
| [19:28:30] | wagnerrp: | isnt the Sun halfway to a tabloid anyway? |
| [19:28:39] | Dagmar: | strex-work: You also might want to see about disabling the integrated Intel card in the BIOS if you can |
| [19:28:41] | iamlindoro_: | Is there a list of what each item does/relates to when you do run ./configure? Are there certain things that need to be combined with each other, etc.? |
| [19:28:48] | iamlindoro_: | Haha, trunk is like a recipe |
| [19:28:48] | Xteven: | iamlindoro_: thx, I'll look around there some more |
| [19:29:12] | iamlindoro_: | mix two parts --enable-vdpau with three parts --enable-opengl-video. Bake at 350 for 45 minutes |
| [19:29:25] | iamlindoro_: | add a dash of --prefix and top with FAIL |
| [19:29:37] | wagnerrp: | its all about unicorns and fairies! all the themes for 0.22 will be shades of pink! |
| [19:29:49] | Dagmar: | strex-work: I found at least one guy having a problem similar to yours who had to downgrade to the last 169.x driver |
| [19:29:52] | iamlindoro_: | MythTV .22, codenme OMGPONIES! |
| [19:29:56] | iamlindoro_: | codename |
| [19:30:28] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: I think people genuinely expect that they will magically have some rotates on a cube UI the very moment .22 is out |
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| [19:31:09] | strex-work: | Dagmar: thanks I'll try both of those, and let ya know. gotta run. |
| [19:31:22] | wagnerrp: | when that stuff first came out, i saw some guy in class playing with it |
| [19:31:41] | wagnerrp: | all i could think was 'great, now were all going to be playing with our UI instead of doing actual work' |
| [19:31:59] | Dagmar: | This is what wiggly jello windows are for |
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| [19:32:34] | jgoulah: | somehow my mythmusic wont play the songs anymore... mythvideo works fine, i can play songs with mplayer.... where should I look for whats gone wrong? |
| [19:32:50] | gbee: | jgoulah: which version of mythtv |
| [19:32:55] | gbee: | any errors in the log? |
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| [19:34:25] | jgoulah: | tags/release-0–21 , 0.21.20080304–1 |
| [19:34:31] | jgoulah: | gbee: mythbackend log? |
| [19:35:27] | iamlindoro_: | jgoulah: frontend log |
| [19:35:53] | iamlindoro_: | run mythfrontend in a terminal and capture the console output if you're not currently logging the frontend |
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| [19:37:09] | ** jgoulah looks ** | |
| [19:38:29] | jgoulah: | huh... well this looks like the problem perhaps, but I dont know why that would have changed: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
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| [19:39:26] | Dagmar: | You shouldn't be using /dev/dsp for much of anything. |
| [19:39:36] | Dagmar: | You should be using things like ALSA:default |
| [19:40:19] | ** jgoulah tries ** | |
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| [19:41:27] | jgoulah: | that fixed it, thanks! |
| [19:43:22] | keith4: | any chance for Myth + hauppauge hvr 1950 ? |
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| [19:44:14] | iamlindoro_: | Follow this simple formula. If Linux + device = works, Myth + device = works. |
| [19:44:33] | iamlindoro_: | With one or two notable exceptions, of which that is not one |
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| [19:48:26] | Shadow_M: | iamlindoro, any other useful formulas i want to write em down |
| [19:50:09] | jgoulah: | the square of the hypotenuse of a right triangle is equal to the sum of the squares on the other two sides |
| [19:50:21] | jgoulah: | so, anyone know a keyboard that has good range? |
| [19:50:24] | kormoc: | PEBKAC |
| [19:50:25] | jgoulah: | thats not like 300 bucks |
| [19:50:58] | kormoc: | there's a few for $299.99 |
| [19:51:07] | jgoulah: | haha |
| [19:51:15] | meshe: | http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=32226& . . . cture=NMedia System |
| [19:51:35] | jgoulah: | nice, remote combo |
| [19:51:37] | meshe: | had an older model, worked great, uses rf had a 30ft range |
| [19:51:51] | meshe: | oooh, 40ft |
| [19:52:16] | meshe: | has a trackball on the top right of the keyboard |
| [19:52:38] | jgoulah: | yeah that'd be perfect, I probably only need 20–25 ft |
| [19:53:27] | meshe: | my husband let let it slide off the back of the couch one day and it landed on the heater and he didn't notice it, sadly that's how ours died |
| [19:55:44] | wagnerrp: | why would that kill it? |
| [19:55:58] | wagnerrp: | heater? or heater duct? |
| [19:56:37] | meshe: | heater |
| [19:56:44] | meshe: | baseboard style |
| [19:56:54] | meshe: | the keys warped and started falling off |
| [19:56:55] | wagnerrp: | so hot water pipe heater |
| [19:56:59] | wagnerrp: | that would do it |
| [19:57:01] | meshe: | electric actually |
| [19:57:14] | wagnerrp: | even worse |
| [20:00:43] | meshe: | i'm going to take some time and record the ir codes for one of my universals to replace my pvr-350 remote and get back down to one remote |
| [20:01:59] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt already have the codes? |
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| [20:02:46] | meshe: | I haven't found the lirc data for it yet |
| [20:03:11] | wagnerrp: | i mean the universal remote... doesnt have the codes for the 350? |
| [20:03:40] | meshe: | not that i know of |
| [20:04:32] | meshe: | i was just going to use irw to get the codes |
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| [20:06:23] | wagnerrp: | im not understanding how capturing in linux will let you program your universal remote |
| [20:08:37] | wagnerrp: | would libpangocairo be part of the cairo package? or part of the pango package? |
| [20:08:48] | wagnerrp: | looks like part of pango |
| [20:09:22] | afm_: | you capture the remote button codes, and map them to keyboard keys... |
| [20:09:32] | afm_: | not programing the remote per se |
| [20:09:58] | wagnerrp: | oh, i didnt think the hauppauge remotes could receiver arbitrary commands |
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| [20:11:09] | wagnerrp: | although i cant say ive actually tried |
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| [20:14:19] | meshe: | i want to take my universal and teach lirc to use the codes for it's buttons, i'm not training the remote, i'm training lirc |
| [20:15:17] | meshe: | it will also give me a change to learn lirc better which currently is a hole in my knowledge |
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| [20:21:22] | justinh: | heh. those silly stubby antennas really are completely useless |
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| [20:22:13] | justinh: | I think amma gonna have to get me some eeeeeeeeeeeeendroors aerial |
| [20:22:42] | justinh: | and hey, never let it be said that mythtv-setup's scan is slower than anything .. kaffeine is like pulling teeth |
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| [20:31:44] | mersault: | I was playing around with my fresh mythtv installs mythweb, and now the video section is gone. If I type in the address for the video section directly, it complains that an unknown module was specified. This was working previously, and I didn't change any settings, just selected a particular file or something |
| [20:32:31] | wagnerrp: | fresh install, meaning fresh database? |
| [20:32:40] | mersault: | yes |
| [20:32:53] | wagnerrp: | did you install/setup mythvideo on a frontend? |
| [20:32:56] | justinh: | meaning you've not set up mythvideo yet? |
| [20:33:24] | iamlindoro_: | ready the cluetrout |
| [20:34:12] | mersault: | hmmm... odd. I nodded off last night watching videos. now that table is empty in the db |
| [20:34:50] | mersault: | so, one mystery solved, only to reveal another. wtf happened to my videos in the db? |
| [20:35:10] | kormoc: | you sleep deleted |
| [20:35:35] | mersault: | more likely, something I did in the videos section of mythweb killed it |
| [20:36:19] | ** mersault goes back to video module to see what he did ** | |
| [20:36:37] | mersault: | hmmm... I may have killed the 'scan collection' button |
| [20:36:44] | thefront is now known as thefRont | |
| [20:36:47] | kormoc: | killed? |
| [20:36:57] | mersault: | sorry, clicked. |
| [20:37:10] | mersault: | multitasking... poorly |
| [20:37:13] | thefRont: | hey there |
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| [20:37:38] | wagnerrp: | i guess that means youre ordering a hit online? |
| [20:37:56] | thefRont: | in mythfrontend and/or mythweb is there a way to determine, which transponder a channel is on? |
| [20:38:09] | mersault: | aha, so, if the videos are mounted on the frontend in a different location than on the backend, and we scan the collection from mythweb's video plugin, might that then scan the nothingness at /var/lib/mythtv/video? |
| [20:38:31] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [20:38:37] | iamlindoro_: | mythvideo videos must *always* be at the same location |
| [20:38:45] | iamlindoro_: | on all myth boxen |
| [20:38:56] | mersault: | hmmm |
| [20:39:02] | mersault: | that's unfortunate. |
| [20:39:08] | wagnerrp: | then there the issue of people throwing every bit of random data to /var |
| [20:39:11] | kormoc: | and sadly we just delete them without prompting |
| [20:39:23] | iamlindoro_: | For .22 it will not be an issue |
| [20:39:31] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, ooh? |
| [20:39:32] | iamlindoro_: | as Videos will be streamed by backends, huzzah! |
| [20:39:36] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [20:39:45] | kormoc: | I didn't know that code made it in |
| [20:39:56] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: Greyfoxx indicated he'd be committing it next week |
| [20:39:57] | GreyFoxx: | kormoc: I'll have it commited by the end of next week at the latest |
| [20:40:00] | thefRont: | iamlindoro: really? hooray \o/ :) |
| [20:40:01] | kormoc: | snaz |
| [20:40:13] | mersault: | I can see a case for locally stored videos. Imagine a house with kids, you keep kids videos on a frontend in the playroom, and more adult fare on the frontend in the parents bedroom. |
| [20:40:13] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, will we have a backend method to scan for files as well? |
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| [20:40:32] | kormoc: | mersault, there's the whole parental lock thing |
| [20:40:38] | GreyFoxx: | I'm doing it via the mythprotocol right now |
| [20:40:48] | iamlindoro_: | mersault: MythVideo does not handle multiple libraries-- like kormoc mentioned, that's what the viewing levels are for |
| [20:40:51] | wagnerrp: | mersault: all frontends need access to all content |
| [20:40:52] | mersault: | kormoc: doesn't that require editing the metadata for each file? |
| [20:41:08] | wagnerrp: | right now, it expects they all have the same directory NFS mounted |
| [20:41:10] | kormoc: | sure |
| [20:41:30] | iamlindoro_: | mersault: Myth has an option to use rating as parental level from the movies metadata grabber |
| [20:41:45] | iamlindoro_: | if you are talking about something that does *not* have a grabber, then yes, you'd need to set the parental levels manually |
| [20:42:16] | wagnerrp: | when you set the parental levels, can lower frontends even see the content? |
| [20:42:17] | mersault: | hmmm. I guess I'd assumed the mythvideo library was stored per frontend |
| [20:42:26] | wagnerrp: | or does it not show up in the listings |
| [20:42:34] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: Just doesn't show up |
| [20:42:45] | wagnerrp: | ok, just wondering |
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| [20:42:59] | wagnerrp: | otherwise you might end up with 'daddy, what is backdoor sluts nine?' |
| [20:43:42] | iamlindoro_: | Remember that time you walked in a daddy and mommy were wrestling? |
| [20:44:15] | GreyFoxx: | kormoc: I will be adding with the command some code to list the files in a storage group |
| [20:44:15] | mersault: | how does mythweb deal with that? |
| [20:44:29] | GreyFoxx: | and the user can configure a "Videos" storage group with the local location of content |
| [20:44:31] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, oh, snazzy |
| [20:44:35] | mersault: | ie, when the kids learn to use a web browser, is the cat out of the bag? |
| [20:44:43] | GreyFoxx: | and when mythvideo does a scan it scans all of the Video storage group members |
| [20:44:59] | kormoc: | mersault, see the box to put a key in on the video interface? if that's not valid, we restrict |
| [20:45:01] | iamlindoro_: | then you password protect mythweb |
| [20:45:03] | GreyFoxx: | For most people it will be 1 ... MAYBE 2 box |
| [20:45:11] | kormoc: | mersault, that said, it hasn't really been tested... |
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| [20:46:01] | mersault: | aha, I see. |
| [20:46:04] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, that actually would mean I could do a scan on all storage groups then? Snaztastic, that means I can build in a fair bit of the find missing stuff into mythweb directly |
| [20:46:23] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: how does it handle a disconnected SBE? |
| [20:46:32] | mersault: | any chance of getting mythweb to be able to edit metadata on multiple files at once and such? |
| [20:46:46] | kormoc: | perhaps someday, but not today |
| [20:46:49] | mersault: | so that you could select an entire folder and set the parental level |
| [20:46:50] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: At the moment it wipes them :) But by the tie I commit it will skip them :) |
| [20:46:58] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: nice |
| [20:47:05] | mersault: | oh, and set a peice of cover art for say an entire season of something |
| [20:47:06] | wagnerrp: | mersault: you can do that yourself with some quick mysql |
| [20:47:22] | iamlindoro_: | I will keep all my video in one spot, but having one less mount on the frontends will be awesome |
| [20:47:26] | kormoc: | it wouldn't be hard to add in a edit popup to a directory |
| [20:47:28] | GreyFoxx: | I'm thinking it would be nice to pass the reason for playback failure back up and display it to the user |
| [20:47:32] | kormoc: | but we don't currently have that |
| [20:47:35] | mersault: | wagnerrp: oh I know, but I try and avoid manually munging up the mysql if I can |
| [20:47:44] | GreyFoxx: | "Playback failed because Backend is offline/file is read only/unknwoncodecs/ etc |
| [20:47:45] | wagnerrp: | update where filename='whatever_path%'; |
| [20:48:14] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: have you done anything toward the channel icons via storage groups/mythproto? |
| [20:48:32] | GreyFoxx: | Not more than thinking about it . No actually code |
| [20:48:33] | sphery: | that was something I was looking at doing, but if you've already started... |
| [20:48:44] | sphery: | should have waited to ask, then... :) |
| [20:48:48] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: less ONE mount? ;-) I've got videos spread across my storage groups, so it's 6 mounts for them, and 2 more to satisfy some sym links... |
| [20:48:49] | GreyFoxx: | hahah |
| [20:49:28] | sphery: | I have 0 mounts for videos (only one frontend, and no need for using MythWeb to manage MythVideo videos, so...) |
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| [20:50:50] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: If you're going to do channel icons might as well do pictures/roms/etc. at the same time ;) |
| [20:50:59] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ... So having storage groups and streaming for mythvideo will be a great addition for me! ; -) (Thanks GreyFoxx !) |
| [20:51:18] | mersault: | Am I the only one that finds working with the metadata stuff in mythtv is a pain to be avoided whenever possible? |
| [20:51:24] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: I can't even spell plugin, let alone work on one. |
| [20:51:38] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Ah-HAH! Caught you, you spelled it right. Get to work. |
| [20:51:45] | sphery: | d'oh |
| [20:51:46] | GreyFoxx: | mersault: The only metadata I regularly touch is the mythvideo stuff and it just works most of the time via the ui |
| [20:51:57] | iamlindoro_: | depends on what "working with the metadata stuff" is supposed to mean |
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| [20:52:17] | mersault: | well, specifically I find entering metadata to be a pain |
| [20:52:20] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: does your MythVide storage groups patch use any concept of storage group type or somehow differentiate MV SG's from TV SG's? |
| [20:52:28] | mersault: | certainly on any significantly sized library |
| [20:52:39] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: there, I misspelled MV above, so I"m off the hook, again. |
| [20:52:41] | iamlindoro_: | for what? Videos? Pictures? ROMs? Television? |
| [20:52:48] | iamlindoro_: | IF you mean videos, this is why we have grabbers |
| [20:53:01] | mersault: | all of the above |
| [20:53:02] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Not on my watchi, mister. I expect preliminary patches tonight. |
| [20:53:19] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: yeah, I'm treating them differently, so it's not confusing TV with Video or looking for the video in the TV groups and so on |
| [20:53:26] | ** kormoc cracks the whip and starts the slaves on their war drums ** | |
| [20:53:31] | iamlindoro_: | mersault: We have grabbers for Videos, SD for TV, romdb for ROMs, and images... well, you're on your own for images |
| [20:53:41] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: cool... just a new field in storagegroups or something? |
| [20:53:43] | mersault: | I find the grabbers to be very hit or miss, with an emphasis on the later. That said, I'm just using the default grabber in the frontend gui, maybe there's some others that are better |
| [20:53:50] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: Yeah, |
| [20:54:01] | GreyFoxx: | Defaults to TV, but option to pick Video |
| [20:54:17] | iamlindoro_: | Works fine for all my collections |
| [20:54:18] | wagnerrp: | mersault: the imdb grabber is dying slowly and painfully |
| [20:54:18] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: I was planning on starting with either the channel icons (likely easier) or thumbnails (pixmap previews--much more challenging) SG's stuff... |
| [20:54:24] | wagnerrp: | and could not handle TV, only movies |
| [20:54:30] | wagnerrp: | its getting replaced |
| [20:54:37] | iamlindoro_: | s/getting/has been/ |
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| [20:54:40] | GreyFoxx: | mersault: The imdb one is official depreciated and I would expect it to fail |
| [20:54:59] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro_: well not in -fixes, which is what i expect hes using |
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| [20:55:14] | GreyFoxx: | in trunk there is tmdb and that has been working"ok" but I haven't had to use it much since it went in |
| [20:55:24] | mersault: | was thinking of taking my install to the weekly svn builds in mythbuntu |
| [20:55:41] | wagnerrp: | of fixes? or trunk? |
| [20:55:50] | iamlindoro_: | uuuuuun you have a massively compelling reason to do so, don't use trunk |
| [20:55:55] | iamlindoro_: | erg, unless |
| [20:56:11] | mersault: | I'm using the weekly fixes build right now. |
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| [20:56:21] | iamlindoro_: | And any reason that involves plain use doesn't count as compelling |
| [20:56:30] | mersault: | okay. how can I easily grab the better grabber then? |
| [20:56:34] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: cool... That means I'll be able to update that (or, if you'd like to do it in the DB update that adds it) for the 'DB Backups' special storage group so that I can finally do a proper patch for http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4770 |
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| [20:57:28] | iamlindoro_: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ipts/tmdb.pl |
| [20:57:33] | mersault: | if I keep all my videos and recordings on one (very large) raid array, do storage groups do anything for me? I haven't really played with them (never saw a need to) |
| [20:57:34] | iamlindoro_: | "Download original" at the bottom |
| [20:57:44] | wagnerrp: | do you have more than one drive? |
| [20:57:49] | sphery: | and make sure you update your settings to change imdb.pl to tmdb.pl |
| [20:58:01] | iamlindoro_: | Put in the same dir as your imdb.pl, change the command line in a frontend, and go |
| [20:58:03] | wagnerrp: | basically, storage groups remove the need for arrays |
| [20:58:11] | iamlindoro_: | also, one command line needs a switch removed |
| [20:58:27] | wagnerrp: | sure, you dont get the redundancy, but you can add multiple drives independently and mythtv doesnt care |
| [20:58:28] | iamlindoro_: | (the imdb.pl one that is -something or another novideos,notv) |
| [20:58:48] | sphery: | die, MD, die! |
| [20:59:00] | wagnerrp: | whereas before, you had to have an array to get more than one drive's worth of recordings |
| [20:59:00] | sphery: | (that's Multiple Disk, not Mike Dean) |
| [20:59:18] | mersault: | well, my array is raid 5, and stores other valuable data as well, so I'll be keeping it for now |
| [20:59:26] | iamlindoro_: | so imdb.pl -M tv=no;video=no becomes tmdb -M |
| [20:59:38] | iamlindoro_: | RAID is bad times for a recordings dir |
| [20:59:43] | wagnerrp: | i keep my transcodes, dvdrips, and such on a raid6 |
| [20:59:54] | wagnerrp: | but all my recordings just go to independent drives |
| [20:59:58] | sphery: | yep, better to move your Myth storage out of RAID and use the RAID only for important stuff |
| [21:00:08] | wagnerrp: | any valuable data is on a raid1 |
| [21:00:28] | sphery: | I recently deleted my file server. Found out that I really had /no/ valuable data. |
| [21:00:43] | sphery: | best way to clean up your old data, btw |
| [21:00:57] | wagnerrp: | meaning the iscsi boot images, database, any servers, config backups for non-diskless machines |
| [21:01:03] | gbee: | tmbd requires http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . deoCommon.pm |
| [21:01:12] | gbee: | which isn't in 0.21 |
| [21:01:40] | gbee: | actually, maybe it doesn't |
| [21:02:08] | gbee: | it includes it, but whether it actually uses it or not |
| [21:02:09] | mersault: | what happens with RAID + recordings, etc? |
| [21:02:24] | wagnerrp: | RAID5 and 6 have limited write performance |
| [21:02:49] | wagnerrp: | so if youre hitting it with multiple recorders, youre not going to have anything like the throughput as if you had independent drives |
| [21:03:20] | mersault: | okay, that much I knew. |
| [21:03:32] | mersault: | I thought there might be corruption issues |
| [21:03:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | mersault: I've found my system to be 2–3x faster using storage groups vs software raid5. (even the frontend and remote frontends are much faster) |
| [21:03:36] | iamlindoro_: | You're also hammering all your disks for nothing |
| [21:03:40] | wagnerrp: | but its not like you should be running up against any sort of limits |
| [21:03:54] | mersault: | hmmm... |
| [21:03:59] | iamlindoro_: | rather than write to (and add wear to) one disk, you are wearing on all of them |
| [21:04:06] | mersault: | the question is now that I've got a large raid array, how to migrate off it |
| [21:04:09] | wagnerrp: | then theres the other thing of software raid5 being CPU intensive |
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| [21:04:18] | wagnerrp: | buy new drives |
| [21:04:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | mersault: I had 2 500GB drives go belly-up (hardware-wise) during a re-boot – they were fine before shutting down. blam 2.5GB of recordings gone... |
| [21:04:37] | mersault: | that would be silly, since these are new drives |
| [21:04:51] | wagnerrp: | how did you migrate onto it? |
| [21:04:55] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | mersault: If the same thing happens with my storage group, I'll only lose 1TB of recordings, and now I've got 3TB total... |
| [21:05:20] | mersault: | I suppose migrating off the drives wont be getting any easier |
| [21:07:07] | wagnerrp: | when you remove a file from mythvideo, does it delete the file? |
| [21:07:39] | justinh: | hmmm. wonder if I should unload the driver module before unplugging the USB stick... |
| [21:08:20] | wagnerrp: | one would hope a usb driver was designed to handle disconnects |
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| [21:09:35] | justinh: | heh. maybe. will try later, but now.. looking for a newer driver to see if it improves the lack of signal with the aerial stick |
| [21:11:37] | sphery: | kormoc: Is "// reverse sort so that high priority is listed first" for recpriority search actually doing as desired? It seems backwards (at least in Recording Schedules). One click and it shows lowest-priority first (with down arrow), another click shows highest-prio first (and up arrow). |
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| [21:13:14] | kormoc: | sphery, hrm, seems like it is broken, whoops |
| [21:13:30] | ** justinh makes the newest driver ** | |
| [21:14:20] | sphery: | kormoc: I think it's the javascript/AJA? stuff doing it |
| [21:14:33] | sphery: | Though I can't seem to get any sort order to stick |
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| [21:15:02] | wagnerrp: | i didnt realize tmdb still used imdb ids |
| [21:15:03] | sphery: | Like the AJA? isn't sending notice to ther server that it should change the sort order in the session |
| [21:15:28] | sphery: | kormoc: btw, js/table_sort.js |
| [21:16:09] | kormoc: | Yeah, we're not posting back at all right now |
| [21:16:16] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [21:16:24] | sphery: | is that just a TODO?\ |
| [21:16:29] | kormoc: | I bet the auto-sort is just disabled |
| [21:16:33] | kormoc: | sphery, it is now! :P |
| [21:16:37] | sphery: | lol |
| [21:19:12] | sphery: | kormoc: the whole reason I noticed is because I'm running -fixes with a patch to add Last Recorded to Recording Schedules, and found out today that the (server-side, since that's all that -fixes has) sort wasn't working for it because there was no function by_last_record(). I checked trunk (which is also missing that function), so I'm thinking we need something like: ... |
| [21:19:18] | sphery: | ... http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythweb-l . . . orting.patch |
| [21:19:53] | sphery: | But, since we don't get to the server-side sort, I can't tell for sure whether it's broken. :) |
| [21:20:20] | kormoc: | well, we should turn on the auto-sort code and then it'll always be client-side |
| [21:21:36] | sphery: | does that mean functions by_* will disappear? |
| [21:23:29] | kormoc: | in theory, aye |
| [21:23:45] | sphery: | cool, then I won't worry about the lack of by_last_record(). thx. |
| [21:24:03] | kormoc: | that said, it might wait until the tablekit conversion, and how that goes, as some of the sorting is a tad... unique |
| [21:25:52] | sphery: | Cool. I'm not using trunk on production, and I have the patch for my locally-patched -fixes, so no hurries. |
| [21:26:25] | sphery: | and, really, the trunk version with the client-side sort works--even if it doesn't remember the setting |
| [21:27:12] | justinh: | that was one of the funniest things I've ever seen in this house. I taped a Dentastik to the roof of my radio control car. put it down, let the dog smell it then sent it off on a journey around downstairs |
| [21:27:36] | sphery: | get any video for YouTube? |
| [21:28:37] | justinh: | nah. all the cameras in here are useless |
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| [21:29:20] | justinh: | oh crap. he's got the car in his mouth & is running around the house shaking it now |
| [21:30:39] | sphery: | heh |
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| [21:31:58] | justinh: | now he's got it all. and my car is covered in drool. nice doggy |
| [21:32:18] | justinh: | aaand the newer drivers result in zip signal still. best put that aerial in the bin |
| [21:32:27] | justinh: | not even the magnet on it is any cop |
| [21:32:58] | justinh: | though it might miraculously start working in November this year |
| [21:33:37] | iamlindoro_: | It'll work the day before the DVB-T2 switch, for laughs |
| [21:34:51] | justinh: | sooner or later there'll be a tuner frontend/demodulator which is more programmable. dvb-t2 isn't that much more complex than T.. just 'different' |
| [21:35:26] | justinh: | anyway, SDTV should remain plain dvb-t for quite some time yet |
| [21:35:36] | iamlindoro_: | You act as though you don't *enjoy* going through a new tuner technology every few years |
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| [21:36:07] | justinh: | not even OFCOM would be stupid enough to make everybody's DVB gear into useless bricks within a decade of the analogue switchoff |
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| [21:36:15] | justinh: | though I have nagging doubts about that |
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| [21:36:58] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: I actually embraced digital tech quite late on, having been well read enough about it to be skeptical |
| [21:37:22] | iamlindoro_: | This is where you tell me to get off your lawn |
| [21:37:31] | justinh: | hahaha |
| [21:37:46] | justinh: | you just reminded me to install inkscape for some reason. cheers |
| [21:38:15] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [21:38:19] | justinh: | can't go downloadering >5MB at work without the gestapo paying me a visit |
| [21:40:04] | justinh: | ugh. 720P 'x264' mkv makes one core of my cpu sweat a bit |
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| [21:40:23] | wagnerrp: | seems an Airbus just went into the Hudson on takeoff |
| [21:40:32] | iamlindoro_: | yep, looks like all will survive, though |
| [21:40:35] | iamlindoro_: | bird strike |
| [21:40:41] | iamlindoro_: | s/will/have/ |
| [21:40:50] | RyeBrye: | bird strike? what do they want now? bigger pension? |
| [21:41:15] | sphery: | gbee: you're getting props for your theme "Mettalurty" on the -users list. http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /244546.html |
| [21:41:15] | wagnerrp: | 'bird strike' isnt a problem, engine will chew them up |
| [21:41:31] | justinh: | A320.. isn't that the one with a kinda history already? |
| [21:41:32] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: There is a long and glorious history of birds taking out engines |
| [21:41:39] | wagnerrp: | 'large bird strike' can take out an engine, but its expected that you can dump fuel and land on the other |
| [21:41:52] | sphery: | there are some big birds... |
| [21:41:56] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: Not when you're in the midst of taking off in the first place |
| [21:41:57] | wagnerrp: | but 'large bird flock strike'.... not much you can do about that |
| [21:42:14] | iamlindoro_: | (and haven't reached maintainable airspeed on a single engine) |
| [21:42:21] | sphery: | A 4 1/2 foot tall bird was attacking his reflection in my brand new truck just a week ago... |
| [21:42:41] | iamlindoro_: | Besides, the bird strike bit is straight from the pilot's mouth, sooooo |
| [21:42:43] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro_: if the pilot has good reflexes, they should be able to recover and land on one engine |
| [21:43:01] | wagnerrp: | but when you have a flock take out both engines, like what happened here... not much you can do |
| [21:43:12] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: They were in the midst of taking off, what is he supposed to do when the engine hasn't achieved sufficient thrust to keep the plane aloft? |
| [21:44:03] | wagnerrp: | the engine does nothing but lose thrust at takeoff |
| [21:44:12] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that one takeoff, the thrust is too high |
| [21:44:29] | wagnerrp: | and if the pilot isnt quick enough and loses an engine, the other will torque it right into the ground |
| [21:44:56] | sphery: | supposedly hit like a landing on the water... |
| [21:46:07] | iamlindoro_: | If anything, the pilot was exceedingly capable to bring it in the way he did |
| [21:46:16] | sphery: | I agree... |
| [21:46:30] | sphery: | I wouldn't mind being a passenger when he's flying. |
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| [21:46:55] | RyeBrye: | I wonder how long until PETA starts complaining about the Birds |
| [21:47:09] | justinh: | hrm. now see now I'm wondering stuff.. like if tvout can be made to work on this intel graphicsy laptop... if so, by the time this lappy has been replaced... jees I think I'm turning into clever |
| [21:47:49] | ** justinh snaps out of it & starts fiddling wif graffix again ** | |
| [21:48:01] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Did you go to work today? |
| [21:48:19] | justinh: | you got me. yes I did |
| [21:48:21] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Then there. You're not clever. Congrats. |
| [21:48:40] | justinh: | I actually had some work to do too. didn't take long though |
| [21:49:49] | justinh: | eeking flip. this usb tuner has an led covered by the casing. an led which illuminates when the frontend has a lock. heheheh |
| [21:49:56] | sphery: | I understand what he meant, but the attitude is still very annoying to me, "Is seems like nobody is making 4:3 themes anymore. Are 4:3 people gonna be out of luck when 0.22 comes out?" |
| [21:50:12] | justinh: | sphery: who said that? |
| [21:50:21] | sphery: | -users list |
| [21:50:22] | justinh: | it's 2009 for grief's sakes :P |
| [21:50:40] | justinh: | I still have a subscription.. but my desire to fan flames is weak |
| [21:51:05] | sphery: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /244551.html and I replied at http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /244554.html |
| [21:51:11] | RyeBrye: | The simplest answer to that 4:3 crap is – "Yep. Unless you want to make your own 4:3 theme) |
| [21:51:19] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Heh, was just responding to that |
| [21:51:20] | sphery: | basically what I said |
| [21:51:33] | RyeBrye: | yeah. Your response is good :) |
| [21:52:28] | justinh: | might've known it was Mr ME ME ME ME. Er. I mean Mister "My customers & I" |
| [21:52:31] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: don't let my response stop yours. Always good to have multiple responses out there. |
| [21:52:39] | iamlindoro_: | too late anyway ;) |
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| [21:52:52] | sphery: | justinh: so he is the guy who works for a company that sells Myth boxes?] |
| [21:53:07] | justinh: | yes, unless I've remembered this very very wrongly |
| [21:53:18] | justinh: | but I'm pretty certain |
| [21:53:29] | sphery: | that's what I thought... You remember what country? NZ or something? |
| [21:53:52] | justinh: | no idea of that |
| [21:54:07] | sphery: | Doug's response is going to make a mess of the thread: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /244555.html |
| [21:54:09] | justinh: | his domain will be in his message, je pense |
| [21:54:44] | iamlindoro_: | whose customers? |
| [21:55:06] | justinh: | maybe I've got him confused with somebody else |
| [21:55:38] | sphery: | justinh: yeah, his whois info is useless... the phone # looks US-like, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. |
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| [21:55:56] | sphery: | though there is a website. |
| [21:56:30] | sphery: | Cali... Hmmm. Can't find mythtv with the site search, though. |
| [21:56:51] | justinh: | there was definitely a guy who used to moan about XYZ not working & was unable to provide good debug info because he was only relaying customer complaints.. and his demeanour etc were very similar |
| [21:56:51] | sphery: | nor with google |
| [21:57:05] | sphery: | Yeah. I thought that was him, too. |
| [21:57:30] | justinh: | maybe it went boobsup on account of not being able to keep customers happy |
| [21:57:57] | sphery: | no hits in gossamer for his saying customer (just one unrelated), so maybe htat was someone else. |
| [21:58:45] | sphery: | or maybe he just has a different e-mail, now. |
| [21:58:58] | justinh: | ahh. I think that was a different 'Steve'. My bad. |
| [21:59:39] | justinh: | //www.mailinglistarchive.com/mythtv-dev@mythtv.org/msg01652.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mailinglistarchive.com/mythtv-dev@ . . . sg01652.html |
| [22:00:03] | justinh: | sorry mr priority electronics... |
| [22:00:03] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: nice response |
| [22:00:13] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: first or second? |
| [22:00:26] | justinh: | I'll save my response til I'm in a better mood eh |
| [22:00:47] | sphery: | mainly second... first is good, but second puts some focus back where it should be (on the guy wanting the 4:3 themes) |
| [22:01:04] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, was happier with the second |
| [22:01:05] | sphery: | the first did too, but more so in the second... |
| [22:01:06] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, how dare you be reasonable! Hrmp! |
| [22:01:12] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [22:01:20] | iamlindoro_: | Don't worry, I limit that behavior to mailing lists |
| [22:01:32] | sphery: | justinh: I could really enjoy a response from you /before/ you get in a better mood. |
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| [22:01:44] | justinh: | thinking of my PR |
| [22:01:44] | iamlindoro_: | hear hear |
| [22:01:50] | sphery: | that may be one that deserves it |
| [22:02:03] | justinh: | if I'm ever gonna return my ugly boat to the 'scene' |
| [22:02:17] | sphery: | justinh: btw, nice detective work on finding the other Steve... |
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| [22:02:46] | justinh: | I'm thinking of what a future employer might turn up in searches.. though it might already be too late for that |
| [22:02:57] | sphery: | heh |
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| [22:03:34] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
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| [22:03:40] | sphery: | Might just be a good thing... They'll hire you and allow you to do the fun computer stuff rather than tasking you on those "work with the customer" jobs. |
| [22:03:44] | kormoc: | Just as you say "If you don't like it, don't use it" but I'd also say "if you don't want to deal with the hassles of being an OSS Developer, then don't do it" |
| [22:04:04] | kormoc: | in a thread about why I'm not going to rewrite mythweb in python for a guy for free |
| [22:04:18] | sphery: | kormoc: which thread? |
| [22:04:25] | kormoc: | private one sadly |
| [22:04:27] | sphery: | oh |
| [22:04:38] | sphery: | he's actually asking /you/ to do that? |
| [22:04:51] | justinh: | I'm inclined to think sometimes there should be workshops in dealing with 'duh communitae' |
| [22:04:53] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: should I reply with "try this site: http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=udev+rules+video0+video1 " |
| [22:05:00] | kormoc: | this guy emails me out of the blue basically demanding that I rewrite mythweb in python because it's the future and all that jazz, and I said no a few times nicely and then finally said, if you don't like it, don't use it and that was his reply |
| [22:05:05] | sphery: | bad enough to think that MythWeb should be rewritten from scratch. It's really bad to think someone else should do it. |
| [22:05:14] | justinh: | hugging the bastards doesn't work for me Mr Shuttleworth |
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| [22:05:21] | kormoc: | sphery, it's more demanding then asking, but yeah... |
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| [22:05:25] | sphery: | justinh: classic |
| [22:05:59] | kormoc: | I like that fact that because I'm not gonna do whatever he wants, I shouldn't be a OSS developer |
| [22:06:07] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: (re "any good starting points (website links) for [udev]?") |
| [22:06:25] | justinh: | kormoc: next one I see like that gets forwarded to the users list |
| [22:06:33] | justinh: | with a whois lookup |
| [22:06:36] | sphery: | kormoc: I missed the announcement about Python (born in 1991) being the future... |
| [22:06:58] | sphery: | kormoc: did he come into #mythtv once? |
| [22:07:20] | kormoc: | sphery, Yeah... I'm guessing that the guy is like 14 or so and python happened to be his first language and hence the best in the world (rm) |
| [22:07:23] | sphery: | sounds kind of familiar (the part about you quitting the OSS work/not contributing enough) |
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| [22:07:32] | kormoc: | sphery, nah, that was another guy actually |
| [22:07:38] | sphery: | oh |
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| [22:07:50] | kormoc: | I've had so many folks tell me to quit OSS in the past few months it's absurd |
| [22:07:53] | sphery: | wow, you sure attract a lot of swim fans |
| [22:08:12] | sphery: | (haven't seen the movie, so that may not be an appropriate simile, but it's worth a try) |
| [22:08:16] | AndyCap: | where's MythFortran? |
| [22:08:19] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [22:08:31] | purserj: | MythAssembly |
| [22:08:38] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | or MythCobol |
| [22:08:44] | meshe: | come on, we all know that mythweb should be written in Perl |
| [22:08:46] | AndyCap: | oh noes |
| [22:09:03] | sphery: | AndyCap: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/93587#93587 is running Myth for Tran |
| [22:09:35] | AndyCap: | harr, harr. |
| [22:09:48] | AndyCap: | oh, pundit-r, I got one of those |
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| [22:10:11] | sphery: | meshe: if we rewrote MythWeb in perl, we'd have to rewrite all of Myth in perl. Since it would only be 40 lines of code, it would look like a useless program to the uninitiated. |
| [22:10:15] | AndyCap: | stupid chipset ate my usb filesystems |
| [22:10:27] | ** sphery thinks that may be a reference to a thread from before meshe's time ** | |
| [22:10:36] | gbee: | has to be MythHaskell or nothing |
| [22:10:40] | kormoc: | Heh, that was a amusing thread |
| [22:10:43] | meshe: | probably |
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| [22:11:27] | meshe: | meh, if you are good at programming, you only really need to learn one language, it's easy to move languages after that, it's all syntax |
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| [22:12:20] | sphery: | meshe: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/187428#187428 (turns out it's 1731 lines of Perl once he finished) |
| [22:12:29] | sphery: | "KISS to all you MythTV developers. " |
| [22:12:30] | AndyCap: | umm, no, you have to learn programming. You're not born good at it. :) but after that you're ok |
| [22:13:10] | meshe: | *cringe* there is no database, only plain text files |
| [22:13:17] | gbee: | "MythTV has about 112,792 lines of code." err .. try adding a zero |
| [22:13:31] | sphery: | yeah, but he saved 111000 lines of code... |
| [22:13:33] | AndyCap: | Features: "only interface is via browser" |
| [22:13:35] | AndyCap: | wtf. |
| [22:14:15] | meshe: | AndyCap: yeah, that's what I meant, you have to learn one language and be good at programming, once you have those 2 you should be able to pick up other languages easily |
| [22:14:19] | AndyCap: | I'd say this proves the old saying "All programs have at least one bug, and all programs can have at least one instruction away" |
| [22:14:43] | AndyCap: | from which follows, all programs can be reduced to one instruction which doesn't work |
| [22:15:06] | AndyCap: | oops. at least one instruction optimized away |
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| [22:15:12] | sphery: | and for anyone reading about the Perl equivalent of Myth: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/186019?#186019 |
| [22:15:17] | sphery: | same guy |
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| [22:15:40] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | sphery: hehe... I'm only up to xris's response and I'm already rolling... |
| [22:15:55] | sphery: | sometimes I just read that thread for fun |
| [22:15:59] | xris: | J-e-f-f-A|work: huh? |
| [22:16:06] | xris: | what'd I respond to? |
| [22:16:15] | sphery: | old thread about the Perl rewrite of Myth |
| [22:16:20] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ^^ yeah. |
| [22:16:23] | sphery: | xris: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/187428#187428 |
| [22:16:24] | xris: | oh |
| [22:16:25] | xris: | heh |
| [22:16:32] | gbee: | guy who wrote "mythtv" in perl |
| [22:16:59] | meshe: | wow, what an ass |
| [22:17:01] | xris: | no. it was like 1500 lines of perl. |
| [22:17:23] | sphery: | 1731, compared to MythTV's "112,792" (his count, not mine) |
| [22:17:28] | gbee: | I read that far before I had to stop, it was painful |
| [22:17:28] | AndyCap: | of course, with only a web gui, that kind of leaves the tv part out. :) |
| [22:17:55] | iamlindoro_: | I like the part about "taking advantage of the millions of lines of browser code" |
| [22:18:08] | iamlindoro_: | Which, even if it were full featured, you're somehow not allowed to count |
| [22:18:15] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Classic: "I am going to add spinners to my |
| [22:18:15] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wheels made out of some old lawnmower blades trimmed down and sharpened |
| [22:18:15] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | up. |
| [22:18:23] | iamlindoro_: | Myth gets counted with all the libav* stuff... but not the browser, no no! |
| [22:18:27] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | (oops, was supposed to be one line...) |
| [22:18:30] | sphery: | AndyCap: that's the big selling point of his, as evidenced in his earlier post: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/186019#186019 (bottom paragraph, and yeah, he needs to learn to use a MUA) |
| [22:18:33] | gbee: | and the millions of lines in the other apps he used, such as mplayer/xine which launched to play the video |
| [22:18:33] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro_: no, he also uses it to sur p0rn |
| [22:18:42] | gbee: | guessing it wasn't remote control friendly |
| [22:18:58] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Don't be STUPID! It uses irexec to pass keystroked! |
| [22:18:59] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [22:19:03] | iamlindoro_: | keystrokes |
| [22:19:25] | AndyCap: | sphery: harr harr. I want some of whatever he's smoking |
| [22:20:10] | gbee: | too strong, obvious signs that it causes brain damage |
| [22:20:11] | tritium: | OK, I've gone through the "NO DATA" troubleshooting guide here: http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=295, and verified via freeguide and gnome ontv applet that my schedules direct data is good. So, the "NO DATA" in the mythtv guide and mythweb must be a myth-specific issue. |
| [22:20:12] | kormoc: | AndyCap, I value my brain |
| [22:20:12] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: that must be one huge remote |
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| [22:20:19] | AndyCap: | kormoc: "You should get an education! " |
| [22:20:55] | tritium: | And, "mythfilldatabase --refesh-all" failed to update the listings as well. |
| [22:21:11] | tritium: | I've even tried to disable EIT wherever I could, since it appears the little tiny bit of valid listings data was coming from the over-the air channels only. |
| [22:21:44] | sphery: | tritium: you've created a Schedules Direct lineup, created a MythTV Video Source (in mythtv-setup) that uses schedules direct/your username and password/that lineup, then connected that video source to the appropriate input on your capture card? |
| [22:21:52] | tritium: | sphery: definitely |
| [22:21:57] | meshe: | TBH, PHP is probably the best language for OSS web based projects, it's definately the most popular of the LAMP P's out there |
| [22:22:06] | sphery: | tritium: oh, and if using Schedules Direct you /must/ disable EIT (at least on the channels for which you're using SD) |
| [22:22:27] | tritium: | sphery: I've disabled EIT wherever I see that I can. |
| [22:22:46] | gbee: | aye, PHP is far better for your average web based application, that's it's only purpose and it's well tooled for it |
| [22:22:52] | sphery: | tritium: Might just need to clear things out and do it again, now that you've had some practice... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 (at least the video sources portion) |
| [22:23:06] | tritium: | sphery: thanks, reading now... |
| [22:23:18] | gbee: | unlike python, perl etc it's not trying to be many things |
| [22:23:20] | AndyCap: | meshe: in my personal opinion, php is sh*t and random libraries held together with barbed wire, but it's ridiculously easy to hack something up, and it has become the open source web's answer to visual basic |
| [22:23:20] | sphery: | tritium: there's also a checkbox in the video source that allows you to disable EIT on the entire video source (something like "Use on-air guide") |
| [22:23:37] | sphery: | tritium: if you're not using EIT for any channels in the video source, disable EIT for the whole video source. |
| [22:23:44] | meshe: | gbee: it's probably the easist to pick up which is why so many people know it |
| [22:24:05] | tritium: | sphery: yes, that's the one I un-checked |
| [22:24:08] | sphery: | I just don't get PHP for non-web stuff. |
| [22:24:17] | AndyCap: | meshe: and being visual basic has it's good and bad side, bad side, people produce enormous amounts of crap applications, good side, people get to do what they want, and there are some beautiful apps made. :) |
| [22:24:23] | gbee: | meshe: no question of that |
| [22:24:37] | tritium: | sphery: so, SD doesn't automatically provide XMLTV IDs? I have to manually add those? |
| [22:24:40] | AndyCap: | sphery: that would be the web php programmers growing up and wanting to do other things as well. |
| [22:24:41] | clever: | i was using php for alot of headless cron jobs |
| [22:24:48] | meshe: | i've fought really hard to keep PHP out of our shop, and for the most part succeeded other than OSS products that we use |
| [22:24:51] | clever: | but im slowly moving all those things to Qt/c++ code |
| [22:25:00] | sphery: | tritium: right . http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XMLTV_ID |
| [22:25:03] | kormoc: | sphery, I'm fine with php for not web stuff if it's sharing classes/objects/etc with a web backend, then it makes sense imho |
| [22:25:07] | meshe: | we are mainly a Perl shop, but we are going towards python |
| [22:25:31] | gbee: | I don't quite agree with the Visual Basic comparison, but it's definately true that due to it's popularity there are a fair share of bad php apps written |
| [22:25:33] | AndyCap: | *cough*CPAN*cough* |
| [22:25:50] | sphery: | tritium: (technically, the garbage being broadcast to you doesn't include enough information for mythtv to associate the scanned channels with the SD-provided channels, which are defined by an ID that's used for the xmltvid, so it's not SD's fault) |
| [22:26:07] | AndyCap: | gbee: both were very enabling languanges. :) |
| [22:26:09] | meshe: | CPAN is the *main* reason that we still use perl |
| [22:26:15] | tritium: | sphery: ah, thanks. That's useful info. |
| [22:26:15] | sphery: | kormoc: that makes some sense. I hadn't seen a case of sharing like that, though |
| [22:26:29] | tritium: | sphery: so, looks like I can manually add XMLTV IDs in mythweb settings |
| [22:26:30] | sphery: | tritium: you should still do the delete all video sources to clean up the garbage you've now got |
| [22:26:30] | AndyCap: | meshe: and CPAN is why python will ride the short bus. |
| [22:26:38] | ** meshe nods ** | |
| [22:26:54] | ** AndyCap fears perl 6 ** | |
| [22:26:58] | sphery: | tritium: if you ran a scan, then ran mfdb without specifying xmltvid's, you almost definitely have garbage in your DB that will cause problems eventually |
| [22:27:03] | kormoc: | sphery, example, SiMech, we had our web based inventory system, we bought some linux based barcode scanners, I wrote up a UI with php's ncurses interface and they shared the backend objects, worked quite slick |
| [22:27:06] | sphery: | AndyCap: Fear the Parrot! |
| [22:27:16] | gbee: | AndyCap: largest weakness of perl is CPAN, possibly one of it's strengths too, but IMHO mostly a weakness ... what PHP makes core functionality is spread far and wide in Perl, making it fine for a single install scenario but not great for distribution |
| [22:27:17] | AndyCap: | :) |
| [22:27:20] | meshe: | our IT manager hates the fact that perl is such a loose, do it any way you want to language |
| [22:27:44] | sphery: | kormoc: that I can understand |
| [22:28:01] | tritium: | sphery: will do! Also, thanks, that URL you sent points out one of the things that irritates me most — when the status lists tuner cards with a larger ID than I have total cards. |
| [22:28:18] | AndyCap: | gbee: dunno about that. it's just that php got linked to every random library Rasmus had lying on his machine |
| [22:28:19] | tritium: | Looks like the "Delete All" method is my friend :) |
| [22:28:31] | meshe: | gbee: i can't even count the number of times i've needed to do something and the code was already in CPAN for me to use, it's saved me countless hours |
| [22:28:40] | AndyCap: | gbee: and he couldn't remember how he named the methods every time he found a new thing in /usr/include |
| [22:29:12] | sphery: | tritium: heh, yeah... I may eventually figure out a way to make it so that there's no ID shown in status (as ID is supposed to be used /only/ by mythtv internally, so isn't really important), but instead shows the user-defined input names... |
| [22:29:41] | sphery: | hmmm... just had a thought about how to do it (all because of the "s" at the end of "input names" |
| [22:29:43] | gbee: | meshe: and how many times have you gone to run a perl application and it's complained about missing modules? :) Usually requiring 20 different hits to CPAN |
| [22:30:09] | meshe: | we run our own controlled CPAN, that's all part of the development process |
| [22:30:11] | tritium: | sphery: thanks again, you rock! :) |
| [22:30:38] | meshe: | it's still a small fraction of the time it would take to re-implement the functionality we use from CPAN modules |
| [22:31:06] | meshe: | we use 100's of CPAN modules in our systems |
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| [22:31:49] | gbee: | meshe: like I said, it's fine for a controlled environment or single install, if you are turning out apps to be used within the company for example then CPAN isn't the hinderence that it becomes when you try to create an application for distribution (e.g. OSS) |
| [22:32:25] | ** sphery is feeling guilty for not having responded to "Guide selects worst tuner, remote selects best tuner---please help" ** | |
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| [22:32:32] | sphery: | (after I kicked it over to -users) |
| [22:32:34] | meshe: | and that's why i said that PHP is probably the best suited language for OSS web apps :) |
| [22:32:50] | AndyCap: | gbee: with php you're dependent on how php was compiled, not an improvement. and of course there's the PEAR-shaped appendix. |
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| [22:33:18] | gbee: | anyway, I'm not anti perl, I like perl, learnt it long before PHP, but for web apps I made the switch to PHP about 5/6 years ago |
| [22:33:23] | sphery: | oh, no longer feeling guilty... I found out that it was just a user misconfiguration. |
| [22:33:30] | sphery: | not a user misunderstanding of features |
| [22:33:31] | jduggan: | just an aside, as a professional carpenter, screws have more holding |
| [22:33:31] | jduggan: | surface area and generally hold better than nails, nails have advantages |
| [22:33:34] | jduggan: | in that they're quicker and easier to drive in. |
| [22:33:36] | jduggan: | lolz |
| [22:33:40] | gbee: | AndyCap: never needed to go near PEAR |
| [22:33:52] | AndyCap: | but, if perl app distributors tar'ed up all the dependent crap in one tree like php apps, you'd get the same experience |
| [22:34:15] | meshe: | i like perl, it's a very powerful language and I've coded in it for 10 years now, i'm more of a what tool is right for the job type person though |
| [22:34:31] | sphery: | perl was great until it tried to do OO |
| [22:34:33] | AndyCap: | anyhow, if I'm writing a web app I'll use php, and if I'm doing other stuff I'll use perl. |
| [22:34:43] | gbee: | you won't sell me on Python though, every time I get near it .... well lets just say that I like the warm comfortable familiarity of C/C++ type syntax |
| [22:34:52] | meshe: | it's getting hard to find perl devs so we are broadening our horizons in our shop |
| [22:35:13] | meshe: | gbee: the other option was Java *cringe* |
| [22:35:22] | AndyCap: | meshe: s/broadening our horizons/lowering our standards/ :-P |
| [22:35:23] | kormoc: | it's getting hard to find any good dev to be honest |
| [22:35:26] | sphery: | and something about a language that makes specific indentation a language requirement (a la Makefiles) is just plain wrong |
| [22:35:30] | kormoc: | some of the winners we have had apply... |
| [22:36:04] | iamlindoro_: | You guys are just language zealots and that's why we'll never have that slick flash frontend |
| [22:36:16] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro_: Air! |
| [22:36:38] | meshe: | I'm going to start messing around with flex soon |
| [22:36:41] | iamlindoro_: | An I so wanted listoffilesonflamingvideo-flash-wide |
| [22:37:09] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:37:21] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [22:37:29] | AndyCap: | meshe: heh, the government here just opensourced a form filling / calculation billing app. |
| [22:37:39] | AndyCap: | meshe: the catch, it was rewritten in flex |
| [22:37:45] | meshe: | lol |
| [22:37:47] | gbee: | wtf? |
| [22:37:48] | kormoc: | the best part, he wanted to define the api and have someone else build it, that's awesome |
| [22:37:56] | keith4: | i didn't know that anyone actually used flex |
| [22:38:07] | kormoc: | I wish I felt that entitled |
| [22:38:25] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: "Nobody would pay for THAT, have you no pride?" |
| [22:38:32] | meshe: | the streaming video player in mythweb is flex |
| [22:38:38] | sphery: | kormoc: if you knew anything about FOSS, you'd know that's how it works. The idea man swoops in and demands that someone else rewrite MythWeb in Python/rewrite the Myth API using Flash/rewrite Myth in Perl/... |
| [22:39:25] | AndyCap: | I want my Perl binding for myth now |
| [22:39:29] | AndyCap: | :P |
| [22:39:31] | gbee: | I'm suprised no-one has mentioned Ruby and Rails so far .... talk about yet another flash in the pan |
| [22:39:34] | kormoc: | we have perl bindings shipping with myth |
| [22:39:41] | meshe: | i hope you guys just laugh those people out of the mailing list |
| [22:40:07] | AndyCap: | kormoc: see, It works. :) |
| [22:40:08] | iamlindoro_: | Oh, it's better, then come to the dev channel and tell the project lead to fuck himself |
| [22:40:12] | sphery: | AndyCap: I just want people to rewrite the legacy scripts that don't use the Perl bindings to use the Perl bindings (or, just as well, delete the legacy scripts from trunk) |
| [22:40:13] | iamlindoro_: | that is, they come |
| [22:40:33] | AndyCap: | sphery: ooh, hmm. |
| [22:40:42] | kormoc: | gbee, other folks have mentioned ruby on rails before |
| [22:40:44] | meshe: | sphery: got a list somewhere? |
| [22:40:47] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
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| [22:42:59] | keith4: | flex will forever make me think of GNU flex, not the adobe product, anyway |
| [22:43:10] | clever: | if i add a 'video source' for another city, and dont use it in any 'input connections', will mfdb fetch it or ignore it? |
| [22:43:13] | jams: | gbee any lenght limitiation you want to enforce? |
| [22:43:17] | jams: | length |
| [22:43:51] | gbee: | jams, no, doesn't need to be an essay, but don't worry about being verbose either |
| [22:43:54] | sphery: | meshe: big ones are myth.find_orphans.pl and myth.rebuilddatabase.pl (they're used more than any others). Also, myth_archive_job.pl should be rewritten to use bindings and to support moving of files from directory to directory in storage groups and/or host to host (it currently has no storage groups support--it's how we got the functionality of storage groups (multiple dirs) before storage groups) |
| [22:44:26] | clever: | sphery: i wrote a bash script a while ago for host->host moves |
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| [22:44:57] | gbee: | no need for acronyms etc, it should spell out clearly what each button does in a way that the short button names don't |
| [22:45:08] | phunyguy: | :( |
| [22:45:21] | phunyguy: | no response on the mythtv-users list, sphery. |
| [22:45:47] | meshe: | sphery: saved in my todo list, I'll have a look when I get a chance |
| [22:45:56] | tritium: | sphery: I'm back in business. Thanks again! |
| [22:46:10] | clever: | sphery: http://pastebin.ca/1309580 its ugly, but it was enough to keep the db updated for me |
| [22:46:32] | kormoc: | meshe, if you do tackle it, you might need to extend the bindings, so keep that in mind if you run into problems that should be solved that way, we're quite open to extending the bindings |
| [22:46:34] | sphery: | meshe: really myth.find_orphans.pl and myth.rebuilddatabase.pl should be a single script . See, also, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/297204#297204 if you're really interested in doing some. |
| [22:46:40] | sphery: | tritium: cool, enjoy |
| [22:46:43] | clever: | basicaly, movenuv 1045_20090115175800.mpg /media/redhat/recordings/ theP4 redhat |
| [22:46:43] | tritium: | :) |
| [22:47:33] | sphery: | clever: so, now you can take that as a template for the changes needed to bring that functionality to myth_archive_job.pl and you can convert it to the Perl bindings at the same time... :) |
| [22:47:57] | clever: | sphery: my perl is very rusty:P, and i have no idea how the bindings work |
| [22:48:10] | clever: | but the bindings are clearly better then sourcing mysql.txt from a hard coded path |
| [22:48:30] | meshe: | I'll look into it, are the bindings in svn with the rest of myth? |
| [22:48:44] | sphery: | yeah, or having every single perl script write the same functionality so that when Myth changes, 200 scripts have to be updated... |
| [22:48:45] | meshe: | the perl stuff is something that's easy for me to contribute |
| [22:48:59] | sphery: | meshe: yeah, they're in bindings/perl in mythtv source distro |
| [22:49:09] | clever: | sphery: my script is allready in need of updating, mysql.txt is no longer 'valid' |
| [22:49:12] | sphery: | meshe: we (and especially me) would be very pleased... |
| [22:49:44] | sphery: | meshe: though, I should say that I have a plan to put the find orphans/"rebuild database" (which is really an import) functionality into mythbackend so the scripts could be deleted. |
| [22:50:00] | sphery: | meshe: so concentrating on some of the others may be a good start. |
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| [22:50:51] | meshe: | i'll look at it, i'm going to to need to get familiar with what's there |
| [22:50:57] | meshe: | who wrote the bindings? |
| [22:51:09] | sphery: | meshe: A /lot/ of people would love a myth_archive_job.pl (feel free to rename it if you like) that allows moving recordings from directory to directory within storage groups. If you need the backend support for transferring a file from host to host, I might be convinced to write it for you. |
| [22:51:18] | sphery: | meshe: xris wrote the perl bindings |
| [22:51:27] | sphery: | kormoc has done some work on them, too, I think |
| [22:51:59] | sphery: | oh, and thanks for reminding me that I had promised to look at a bindings-related issue in mythweb for xris :) |
| [22:52:17] | kormoc: | a little. Perl's not my favorite language by any means :) |
| [22:52:32] | meshe: | does myth's svn have svnweb setup? |
| [22:52:49] | meshe: | nvm |
| [22:53:16] | kormoc: | alas, all the web setup stuff is sitting in a tree on my home box, not really ready to commit yet |
| [22:54:01] | kormoc: | and if any super rich folks are out there, I'd be happy to work on myth full time <nudge nudge wink wink> |
| [22:54:12] | sphery: | meshe: if you don't have a dev box running trunk, you can probably do work on those scripts with 0.21-fixes. I'd be happy to take a look at the 0.21-fixes update you have and incorporate them/test them on my trunk-based dev box. |
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| [22:54:58] | sphery: | the bindigns haven't changed much since 0.21 was released and I'm pretty certain the scripts haven't changed at all :) (actually, I remember one change that made find orphans ignore DB backups) |
| [22:55:02] | meshe: | sounds good |
| [22:55:07] | sphery: | but htat may have gone into -fixes, too |
| [22:55:25] | sphery: | in other words, I wouldn't run trunk just to work on those scripts |
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| [22:58:43] | meshe: | the bindings are written quite nicely |
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| [23:01:23] | ** justinh starts a sweepstake on how long it'll be before there's a ticket opened to autoscale aspects of themes ** | |
| [23:03:32] | sphery: | meshe: yep, it's a pity more people don't use them.\ |
| [23:03:48] | sphery: | meshe: btw, mythrename.pl is a great example of how they work/how the scripts should be written. |
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| [23:12:51] | meshe: | i see backup.pl and restore.pl where are the others? |
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| [23:14:40] | meshe: | ahh, contrib |
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| [23:16:11] | ** iamlindoro nominates "Commflagger is happed at playing vedio or recording" as "Best subject line on dev list ever" ** | |
| [23:17:01] | iamlindoro: | and continues the trend of "series of indian guys clearly trying to rebroadcast other people's TV with their own commercials" |
| [23:17:20] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [23:17:54] | RyeBrye: | although a commercial-replace feature wouldn't be bad for those of us who want to brainwash our kids |
| [23:18:03] | meshe: | hehe |
| [23:18:07] | laga: | iamlindoro: after i replied "what?" to one of his emails, he actually emailed me privately |
| [23:18:26] | iamlindoro: | laga, It seems all these guys *have* to be related (avilipsha, et al) |
| [23:18:57] | iamlindoro: | And it *reeks* of wanting to rip off content and pass it off as their own |
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| [23:21:15] | laga: | i thought it was just one guy, didn't look at the name |
| [23:21:35] | iamlindoro: | Three names over the past month or so IIRC |
| [23:21:49] | meshe: | one of the first things i heard about myth was a guy that set up contracts with the tv networks/providers and used multiple backends to tune channels and sold frontends to his neighors, basically starting a small cable co |
| [23:22:55] | meshe: | used 802.11 A to connect them |
| [23:23:31] | keith_: | what country was that in? |
| [23:24:00] | meshe: | i'm not sure, that was a couple years ago, i "thought" it was North America |
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| [23:27:39] | iamlindoro: | The only guy in here crazy enough to set up his own headend *still* hasn't set up a myth box yet at last check :) |
| [23:27:58] | iamlindoro: | It's only been 18 months or so, can't rush these things |
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| [23:30:00] | meshe: | http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2004/pulpi . . . _000460.html |
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| [23:30:19] | meshe: | found it, it's Canada |
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| [23:30:59] | meshe: | and this was 2004 |
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| [23:37:43] | phunyguy: | *sigh* |
| [23:37:53] | phunyguy: | maybe i should just install windows media center (laff) |
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| [23:38:34] | iamlindoro: | That's *always* the wrong thing to say in here, btw |
| [23:38:43] | iamlindoro: | as generally, we're happy for people to use other things |
| [23:38:44] | ** kormoc waves to phunyguy ** | |
| [23:38:46] | kormoc: | have fun! |
| [23:38:48] | phunyguy: | even with a (laff) at the end? |
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| [23:38:54] | phunyguy: | lol i knew that would get a reaction. |
| [23:39:06] | phunyguy: | i have zero windows boxes at my house. |
| [23:39:14] | phunyguy: | and i intend to keep it that way. |
| [23:39:21] | iamlindoro: | you can get windows 7 for free right now, go to it! |
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| [23:40:04] | phunyguy: | ewe? |
| [23:40:15] | phunyguy: | i already have it at work (all windows env there :( ) |
| [23:40:59] | phunyguy: | it got so bad that now I have two computers, one running XP and the other Xubuntu |
| [23:41:08] | phunyguy: | and GUESS WHAT. |
| [23:41:14] | gbee: | we don't do emotional blackmail, the "fix my bug/add this feature, or I'll use MCE/VDR/MediaPortal instead" line is wasted on us :) |
| [23:41:15] | phunyguy: | just had to reinstall windows yesterday thanks to a worm. |
| [23:41:29] | phunyguy: | it wasn't emotional blackmail. |
| [23:41:33] | phunyguy: | what is my username? |
| [23:41:40] | phunyguy: | "funny"guy. |
| [23:41:48] | phunyguy: | i don't "do" emotion online. |
| [23:42:18] | thefRont: | why is mythweb showing a conflict between two recordings on the same transponder? |
| [23:42:26] | phunyguy: | I have been fighting with this mythtv install for at least 6 months, so if i have stuck with it this long, I'm not going anywhere ;) |
| [23:42:38] | kormoc: | thefRont, because the virtual tuner doesn't exist yet? |
| [23:43:00] | gbee: | yeah, I wasn't having a go at you, just a general statement I like to make from time to time for the benefit of a new audience |
| [23:43:13] | thefRont: | kormoc: virtual tuner is up and running |
| [23:43:29] | phunyguy: | well fine then |
| [23:43:30] | kormoc: | thefRont, on the same transponder or another one? |
| [23:43:33] | phunyguy: | Windows it is. |
| [23:43:35] | gbee: | thefRont: are you sure about which two recordings are conflicting? |
| [23:43:35] | phunyguy: | *wave* |
| [23:43:39] | phunyguy: | ;) |
| [23:43:39] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
| [23:43:43] | phunyguy: | haha |
| [23:43:49] | thefRont: | yes, I've just set them |
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| [23:44:06] | phunyguy: | aaaanyways. |
| [23:44:09] | thefRont: | and both recordings are running on the same transponder |
| [23:44:19] | phunyguy: | you know what is really annoying? |
| [23:44:34] | iamlindoro: | I have a feeling we can't avoid finding out |
| [23:44:41] | gbee: | ahh, well if they are in-progress recordings then I'd guess mythweb is confused for some reason |
| [23:44:50] | phunyguy: | when i post on a mailing list, and the only responses I get are "Yeah ive had that issue", or a really simple fix that i ALREADY SAID I DID. |
| [23:45:03] | phunyguy: | (this was the same post) |
| [23:45:48] | meshe: | phunyguy: just here to rant? |
| [23:45:54] | phunyguy: | ...bored. |
| [23:46:15] | iamlindoro: | And nothing alleviates boredom like bitching to a room of 200 strangers? |
| [23:46:15] | phunyguy: | I asked for help, and you guys have been great... we just can't find a fix. |
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| [23:46:45] | gbee: | iamlindoro: works for me |
| [23:47:00] | phunyguy: | i also don't have any mythtv to watch :( |
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| [23:49:28] | thefRont: | the channel listing should get additional info about the transponder a channel is on in mythtv 0.22. i think one channel is transmitted on two transponders, and I'm using the wrong one |
| [23:49:48] | thefRont: | but mythweb only shows one channel...weird |
| [23:51:38] | thefRont: | anyway, if a channel is transmitted on multiple transponders but unfortunatly has the same channel number, this gets really confusing |
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