Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, January 11th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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GreyFoxx:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mimic3.png That's a myth "clone" of one of the xbmc aeon screens

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kdubya:

i always start making a theme

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directhex:

serious question: what's gonna be the new default theme in 0.22? has thought been leant to it?

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kdubya:

then i realize i dont want to do any work

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GreyFoxx:

directhex: The one gbee is working on might be

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directhex:

if we can't kill the current core themes, at least make a new default which is teh awesomez

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, good!

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, if only there was some kind of call-home to see which themes were popular

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kdubya:

gbee's would be fine if he replaced all the metal with something else

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kdubya:

i dont like that texture

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GreyFoxx:

kdubya: I'm not talking abou tmetalurgy

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GreyFoxx:

his new one

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kdubya:

its not on his website, where does he hide the pics

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GreyFoxx:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_watchrec4.png and http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_vidbrowse.png

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GreyFoxx:

Of course not, it's in progress :)

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GreyFoxx:

the mythui stuff can lead to some really nice themes

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GreyFoxx:

no we just need creative people to work on the themes

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kdubya:

well both of those arehttp://robertmcnamara.smugmug.com/gallery/ . . . 18042_Q7gaZs a thousand times better than the current one

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kdubya:

k;dfsj

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GreyFoxx:

like gbee and iamlindoro are doing

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kdubya:

damn laptop

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GreyFoxx:

I hate the current default

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GreyFoxx:

first of 2 settings I change immediately on all new frontends :)

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, 0.22 default needs to be ZOMGAWESOME

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, if anything if is, it'll provide ammo to have the current ones removed ;)

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** Anduin hugs MythCenter and tells it everything is going to be ok **

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iamlindoro_:

My theme will look good, but is obviously heavily reliant on people to supply art that makes them happy-- will have music, video, game, and menu art dirs with some basic nice iamges but will need to be filled with others to make it really snappy

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GreyFoxx:

hahaha

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GreyFoxx:

Anduin: that's what I currently use too :)

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iamlindoro_:

Also need anduin to give me mythvideo fanart capabilities ;)

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jduggan:

hmm, ITV3, mission impossible has thin black bars down the sides, is that just that theyre broadcastin it not quite @ 16:9 ?

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: working on it tomorrow, generalizing picture downloads slowed it a bit, going to fix poster download and move at the same time as well

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin, nice

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jduggan:

only time i've seen the issue

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jduggan:

infact the blackbar is mostly just on the left side of the screen

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kdubya:

jduggan, it probably means you are seeing a zoomed in 4:3 picture

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jduggan:

kdubya: yea cept teh STB i get the feed from, fills the screen when connected direct to the TV

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kdubya:

yeah, the channel broadcasting it is zooming in the 4:3 and adding black bars

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kdubya:

the stb thinks it is 16:9, even though it aint

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sid3windr:

*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x00007f6b4ce036f0 ***

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sid3windr:

whee ;/

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sid3windr:

any pointers for "failed to handle tune complete" with dvb-c ?

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sid3windr:

card is working fine on linux, just not in mythtv

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stegel:

hellp, i am trying too hook up my mythbuntu box to a sharp aquous lc-46d62u..but i cannot get the correct modeline, how can I test various modelines to find the right one

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iamlindoro_:

If you're using a decent output and a good GPU you shouldn't need a modeline at all

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iamlindoro_:

ie DVI + nvidia + run nvidia-xconfig and it should all work automagically

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iamlindoro_:

likewise with whatever ATI equivalent

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stegel:

i am running the is that part of the restricted drivers package

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Dagmar:

You rather likely *don't* need a modeline.

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stegel:

that was bad english

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stegel:

is this part*

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iamlindoro_:

indeed

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Dagmar:

It *should* have worked with that display over VGA or DVI without any tampering

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stegel:

sorry

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stegel:

i am using HDMI cable

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stegel:

should I not be?

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iamlindoro_:

HDMI is fine

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Dagmar:

You can. It should be able to work over that as well.

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stegel:

when i installed mythbuntu...i did it on a monitor

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stegel:

then moved it upstairs to my LCD

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iamlindoro_:

stegel, what GPU?

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stegel:

and hooked it up via hdmi, i get an errir

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Dagmar:

If it's not working, have you asked in #MythBuntu since the hardware auto-config is their code.

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stegel:

Radeon HD 3450

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stegel:

i have not asked there yet

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stegel:

this channel has given me really solid help (thanks lindoro) so I figured i would come here first

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iamlindoro_:

dpkg-reconfigure whatever-the-ati-driver-packagename-is should do the trick, but I am no ATI expert

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iamlindoro_:

if you were using nvidia I would suggest sudo nvidia-xconfig, but that doesn't apply here

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, better to ask in #ubuntu, they'll likely know their ATI driver config stuff off the top of their heads

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stegel:

thanks guys

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jduggan:

lol @ mission impossible 2

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jduggan:

i forgot how cheese this movie was

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stegel:

anyone here been successful with getting hdmi audio from an ati hd 3450?

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stegel:

hmm...i got it to display correctly on the TV, but now when mythTV launches the screen is all garbled

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stegel:

everything else is fine

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wagnerrp:

programs other than mythtv have audio?

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stegel:

wagnerrp: no audio at all

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stegel:

the problem in myth is video

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stegel:

sorry i wasn't clear

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stegel:

i have two issues

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stegel:

1) no audio over hdmi

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stegel:

2) when i launch myth, the screen is all garbled, can't see anything

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i dont know of any functional solution for audio over HDMI in linux

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iamlindoro_:

stegel, what is your exact rex?

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iamlindoro_:

res

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stegel:

1920 x 1080

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wagnerrp:

ive heard rumors of it working for onboard ATI chips

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iamlindoro_:

mythfrontend -geometry 1921x1081

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iamlindoro_:

try that

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iamlindoro_:

broken ati drivers

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stegel:

why the +1?

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iamlindoro_:

because you have broken ati drivers

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iamlindoro_:

just try it

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stegel:

weird

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stegel:

i will try

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stegel:

scaling theme images now, but it looks better than before

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stegel:

i downloaded my ati drivers via envyng

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kdubya:

audio over hdmi works for 8X00 nvidia integrated video

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kdubya:

or so i read

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stegel:

what about any ati cardS?

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stegel:

lindoro, the 1921 worked

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kdubya:

i dont know why you would buy an ati card in the first place

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stegel:

thanks

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iamlindoro_:

np

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stegel:

why not

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kdubya:

ati does not work as well in linux

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kdubya:

and nvidia has video decoding now

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kdubya:

stegel, http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14688

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kdubya:

it should work

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stegel:

trying

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sid3windr:

https://launchpad.net/belguide

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sid3windr:

loldoh. :(

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justinp_home:

Hiya, folks

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justinp_home:

Anybody know how I could make imdb.pl skip searching for posters?

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jamesd:

you have the source.. you can make it visit microsoft.com instead of looking for posters if you like.

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justinp_home:

That's a thought – I'm looking at the source right now, actually

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justinp_home:

part of what I'm doing is that I don't want it to overwrite if there's a poster already assigned

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shep-home:

sooo...

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shep-home:

vdpau

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shep-home:

did i do something wrong if i get a segfault whenever i try to get to the recordings list?

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shep-home:

iamlindoro_: I like the theme – are the background images part of that?

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shep-home:

and if so, are they changable?

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wagnerrp:

justinp_home: the imdb.pl script is defunct

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justinp_home:

...what should I be using, then?

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wagnerrp:

imdb has made it known that they dont want robots trolling their site

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wagnerrp:

trunk has a themoviedb script, but i dont believe it has made it back to -fixes

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justinp_home:

wagnerrp, I'm looking at the script in svn – is it ready for primetime, or still rough?

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Deep6:

guys is anyone using the avermedia tv98 card with ubuntu intrepid? I need assistance with audio

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wagnerrp:

it replaced the imdb script as the default a couple weeks ago

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wagnerrp:

but im sure its still a bit rough

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justinp_home:

OK, I'll grab the latest version and give it a try

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iamlindoro_:

shep-home, The theme will be delivered with a few nonspecific non-trademark infringing images and will rely on the user to fill image directories for TV, movies, pictures, music, and Games images (not unlike most XBMC themes)

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iamlindoro_:

the current screenshots reflect my owns tastes, as I expect the theme will expect the user's when they use it

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Dagmar:

Or softcore porno.

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Dagmar:

....also like most XBMC users

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shep-home:

heh

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shep-home:

yay, I got vdpau working

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shep-home:

and no one seems to say this card is supported

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shep-home:

only drops it to 41% cpu though

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wagnerrp:

chances are the card isnt working then

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shep-home:

oh? but it was at 80–90 before

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shep-home:

where did that cpu go instead? ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

shep-home, what card?

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wagnerrp:

well where is the 41 being used?

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shep-home:

geforce 9400

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wagnerrp:

commflag?

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shep-home:

frontend

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iamlindoro_:

shep-home, it's well known that the 9400 works

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iamlindoro_:

all 9xxx cards work

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shep-home:

live tv (40 frontend, 10–15 backend)

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iamlindoro_:

That said, if it's using 41% it's almost certainly not currently using VDPAU

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shep-home:

all 9xxx?

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iamlindoro_:

DVPAU CPU utilization in the frontend should never even approach that

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iamlindoro_:

shep-home, yes, all 9xxx

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wagnerrp:

all 9xxx

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shep-home:

why do they specifically list just a few then?

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wagnerrp:

some 9xxx have VC1 support

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iamlindoro_:

but all have VDPAU

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shep-home:

and i got the scrolling lines that the wiki page talks about (before disabling composite)

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shep-home:

i see, so vdpau is a subset of vc1 ?

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dustybin:

will there eventually be linux hardware acceleration using a intel GPU with VAAPI?

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iamlindoro_:

no, vc1 is a codec.

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iamlindoro_:

VDPAU is capable of VC-1 accel on *some* cards

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wagnerrp:

VC1 is one codec supported by VDPAU

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iamlindoro_:

VDPAU is capable of MPEG-1/2 and h.264 on *all* supported cards

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=123091

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shep-home:

ok, im following that so far

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wagnerrp:

however only a small subset of the VDPAU capable cards support the entropy decoding necessary for VC1

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iamlindoro_:

Desktop GPUs: GeForce 9 Series

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iamlindoro_:

ergo, all 9xxx

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shep-home:

so, why would i have gone down, but not all the way?

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iamlindoro_:

If I had to guess, you are doing software decode with no deinterlace

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Dagmar:

Maybe you were feeling conflicted about it

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iamlindoro_:

if you're using any modern CPU your VDPAU CPU utilization should be no higher than 10–15 percent

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iamlindoro_:

Or, as an outside possibility, you're running into a bug

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iamlindoro_:

as VDPAU has had multiple bugs in the past few days-- but of course you're up to date on those as you're running trunk and so you're obviously tracking -commits

[02:34:11]

shep-home:

oh, maybe i forget to set deinterlacing

[02:34:20]

shep-home:

where is that?

[02:34:22]

iamlindoro_:

deinterlacing won't *decrease* CPU usage

[02:34:43]

iamlindoro_:

like I said, if it's in the 40's you're not using VDPAU at all most likely

[02:35:39]

** iamlindoro_ tastes the tragic irony of someone who doesn't know where the deinterlacing settings are running trunk **

[02:35:50]

iamlindoro_:

anyway, back to work

[02:36:06]

shep-home:

should i see anything in the mythfrontend log if i have vdpau working?

[02:37:44]

wagnerrp:

AFD: Opened codec 0x1a0b010, id(MPEGVIDEO_VDPAU) type(Video)

[02:38:11]

shep-home:

wagnerrp: thanks – I *do* see that

[02:38:19]

shep-home:

almost

[02:38:29]

wagnerrp:

the hex code might be different

[02:38:36]

shep-home:

ya – memory address?

[02:38:43]

wagnerrp:

nothing around there about it failing?

[02:38:59]

wagnerrp:

what processor?

[02:39:01]

shep-home:

nope, just talks about ac3 right after that

[02:39:23]

iamlindoro_:

remember, you can use VDPAU for -vo now without using its decoding

[02:39:30]

iamlindoro_:

Which is very possibly the case here

[02:40:00]

shep-home:

ie, getting the data on screen from the buffer, but not mpeg2->buffer?

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iamlindoro_:

uh... Sort of

[02:41:20]

shep-home:

wagnerrp: AMD Athlon(tm) Dual Core Processor 4850e

[02:41:34]

iamlindoro_:

Go to your playback profiles and tell us what Decoder: and Video Renderer: say

[02:41:50]

wagnerrp:

yeah, that should be plenty for it to be marginal CPU usage

[02:42:04]

shep-home:

its a custom profile

[02:42:08]

iamlindoro_:

who cares?

[02:42:16]

shep-home:

video : vdpau, osd: vdpau

[02:42:27]

iamlindoro_:

christ on a crutch

[02:42:35]

iamlindoro_:

can you follow instructions, I beg you?

[02:42:40]

iamlindoro_:

"<iamlindoro_> Go to your playback profiles and tell us what Decoder: and Video Renderer: say"

[02:42:53]

shep-home:

sorry man, NVidia VDPAU acceleration

[02:43:16]

shep-home:

if this is causing you that much grief, you dont have to help

[02:43:23]

iamlindoro_:

Then yes, you should be using VDPAU. No idea why you're getting such silly CPU load

[02:43:34]

iamlindoro_:

illiteracy makes me sad, what can I say

[02:43:57]

jpabq:

Just because you have video set to vdpau does not mean the DECODER is set to vdpau

[02:44:08]

iamlindoro_:

jpabq, That's what we just went through

[02:44:21]

iamlindoro_:

!trout jpabq

[02:44:21]

** MythLogBot slaps jpabq with a trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... **

[02:45:05]

jpabq:

shep-home said "video : vdpau, osd: vdpau", but did not list what the decoder setting was

[02:45:12]

iamlindoro_:

jpabq, now keep reading

[02:45:20]

iamlindoro_:

"<shep-home> sorry man, NVidia VDPAU acceleration"

[02:45:36]

iamlindoro_:

Which is the Decoder

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jpabq:

shrug

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shep-home:

nvidia drivers 180.22, trunk version 19634

[02:47:39]

shep-home:

so those should be more or less uptodate

[02:47:53]

** iamlindoro_ hopes that everyone running trunk just to futz with VDPAU comes down with a serious case of kormoc's VDPAU disease **

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wagnerrp:

kormoc had the burned card?

[02:48:12]

shep-home:

nah – im worse that that

[02:48:12]

iamlindoro_:

yep

[02:48:20]

shep-home:

ive just been running trunk for a long while

[02:48:36]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i dont mind the downtime and $40 on replacement parts

[02:51:57]

shep-home:

so, i guess my next question is: what group do I ask about this?

[02:52:06]

shep-home:

or how do i even figure that out

[02:52:19]

shep-home:

ie, do i go knocking at nvidia forums?

[02:53:38]

iamlindoro_:

You don't ask anyone about it-- Myth is not accepting bug reports on VDPAU at this time as it's not a supported feature, and NVidia has made it clear that it's a technology demo only and they don't support third party implementations

[02:54:06]

iamlindoro_:

so, more or less, you sit tight and *follow the dev and commit lists like your life depended on it*

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shep-home:

iamlindoro_: thanks

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shep-home:

you sound pretty stressed out

[02:57:48]

iamlindoro_:

np, good luck

[02:58:15]

ipstatic:

anyone here with the newer HVR cards from Hauppauge willing to answer a few questions about lirc?

[02:58:31]

ipstatic:

i cannot for the life of me get the remote tow ork

[02:58:31]

iamlindoro_:

I'm not stressed it, but I'd rather take the flack for pulling the reins on someone than have .22 come out five/ten/twenty minutes later because someone wasn't paying any attention to the lists and decided to run trunk

[02:58:36]

iamlindoro_:

s/it/out/

[02:58:48]

ipstatic:

although I have googled and seen others have successfully done so

[02:59:26]

wagnerrp:

i actually tried, failed, and shoved my 150 back in the machine yesterday

[02:59:37]

wagnerrp:

as a result, i have a mceusb2 in the mail

[02:59:47]

ipstatic:

thats not a good sign

[03:00:06]

ipstatic:

and the problem is, dmesg shows lirc "sees" the card

[03:00:19]

ipstatic:

lirc_i2c: chip 0x10020 found @ 0x71 (Hauppauge PVR150)

[03:00:35]

wagnerrp:

it sees that on an HVR card?

[03:00:55]

ipstatic:

yes, the analog capture on the hvr-1600 is the same chip in the pvr160

[03:00:59]

ipstatic:

*150

[03:01:19]

wagnerrp:

analog != infrared

[03:01:29]

ipstatic:

true

[03:01:46]

shep-home:

iamlindoro_: i almost followed that, except for the .22 coming out X minutes after *what*? :-)

[03:01:56]

wagnerrp:

ah, yeah

[03:02:23]

wagnerrp:

no, that line was after i rebooted, after i stuck the 150 back in

[03:02:24]

wagnerrp:

nevermind

[03:02:38]

iamlindoro_:

shep-home, Every person who decides to run trunk and takes 5/10/20 minutes of support time because they just plain weren't following the lists extends the release date for .22

[03:03:07]

shep-home:

iamlindoro_: ah, sure.

[03:03:43]

shep-home:

but one person taking 30 minutes before .22 is out to find faults can help prevent everyone from taking 30 minutes after

[03:04:03]

shep-home:

i guess that vdpau isn't set for .22 at this point in time then

[03:04:35]

wagnerrp:

its in trunk, if the nvidia drivers come out before 0.22, vdpau will probably be included

[03:05:04]

iamlindoro_:

shep-home, VDPAU isn't up for bug-reporting, it's like complaining your under construction skyscraper doesn't have walls

[03:05:15]

iamlindoro_:

so you're not finding anything, it ain't *done* yet

[03:05:23]

iamlindoro_:

ESPECIALLY the drivers

[03:05:35]

wagnerrp:

basically, the VDPAU API can, and has changed

[03:05:53]

wagnerrp:

until a final revision of the drivers are released, mythtv VDPAU will not be

[03:07:09]

shep-home:

wagnerrp: from what I can tell, i think the drivers are stable now

[03:07:16]

shep-home:

not sure if the vdpau api is done yet

[03:07:27]

wagnerrp:

if they were stable, they wouldnt be beta

[03:07:36]

shep-home:

at least, if i go to: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us

[03:07:40]

iamlindoro_:

shep-home, A stable driver and a stable feature are entirely different

[03:07:52]

shep-home:

and say linux drivers, I get a driver with vdpau

[03:07:58]

iamlindoro_:

the newer NVidia driver is stable, they (and we) are stressing that VDPAU is still a tech demo

[03:08:39]

shep-home:

iamlindoro_: might I suggest adding a giant red warning to the top of the wiki page then?

[03:09:00]

shep-home:

cause I havent seen much that says its not expected to work, and that you dont care if it doesnt

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[03:09:33]

iamlindoro_:

the wiki has nothing to do with anything, it's not official documentation

[03:09:45]

iamlindoro_:

You would have seen exactly that if you were reading the dev list

[03:09:48]

iamlindoro_:

and commits

[03:10:07]

shep-home:

that may be true, but its one of the first things a normal user might see

[03:10:27]

iamlindoro_:

shep-home, A normal user shouldn't be using trunk, period.

[03:10:33]

iamlindoro_:

And if they do, we will just point and laugh

[03:10:51]

shep-home:

and waste your 20 minutes

[03:11:24]

iamlindoro_:

Yes, ergo us getting pissed when dumbasses who shouldn't be run trunk

[03:11:53]

wagnerrp:

nothing wrong with them running trunk, just them running trunk and needing help

[03:12:21]

shep-home:

and you can lead with that

[03:12:42]

shep-home:

"it's not supported now – if it doesn't work. too bad"

[03:12:53]

iamlindoro_:

shep-home, Feel free to add that, it *is* a wiki after all

[03:12:59]

shep-home:

besides, I came into IRC

[03:13:00]

iamlindoro_:

IMO there shouldn't even be a page

[03:13:08]

shep-home:

and said, it is working for me

[03:13:33]

iamlindoro_:

shep-home, 40% CPU load makes "working" a debatable term

[03:13:45]

shep-home:

sure – and YOU asked me about it

[03:13:47]

iamlindoro_:

As I get < 10 with Blu-ray bitrate h.264

[03:13:52]

shep-home:

so i tried to answer questions

[03:14:00]

shep-home:

to which youve attacked me at almost every turn

[03:14:16]

shep-home:

I'M SORRY about wasting your time

[03:14:30]

shep-home:

I don't like making developers of software I use unhappy

[03:14:42]

shep-home:

I hate it when my users pick at my code too

[03:15:02]

shep-home:

especially when its not supposed to work yet

[03:15:14]

shep-home:

so i truly understand where you are coming from

[03:17:12]

iamlindoro_:

Nobody has attacked you

[03:18:48]

shep-home:

sorry – i feel attacked when im called illiterate

[03:18:58]

shep-home:

and probably am taking more from your tone than you intend

[03:20:09]

iamlindoro_:

We tend to set a fairly high bar for people who run trunk around here-- we (more than just I) tend to get frustrated when people who don't have pretty thorough knowledge from a user perspective delve into in-progress functionality

[03:21:35]

iamlindoro_:

so where not reading the dev and commits lists is *not* okay, reading them and not underrstanding and asking for clarification (at least in my book) totally is

[03:22:48]

waxhead:

does anyone know of the current state of blueray support on linux?

[03:22:54]

wagnerrp:

none

[03:22:59]

waxhead:

I haven't googled yet.. just thought I'd ask here first..

[03:23:16]

wagnerrp:

there is some minimal BD+ decode support

[03:23:20]

waxhead:

heard of any progress?

[03:23:21]

wagnerrp:

but there is no playback support

[03:23:31]

waxhead:

is that because of hte encryption?

[03:23:42]

waxhead:

or is it a filesystem thing?

[03:23:57]

wagnerrp:

no one has yet chained together playback with decryption

[03:24:22]

wagnerrp:

you can rip/decode to hard disk, and then play back

[03:24:30]

wagnerrp:

but no direct playback

[03:25:01]

waxhead:

wagnerrp: yep... knew that much...

[03:25:28]

wagnerrp:

as mentioned, there has been some OSS progress in BD+ in the last few months

[03:25:35]

waxhead:

what's support for ripping on linux then?

[03:25:45]

wagnerrp:

but its nowhere near as advanced as anydvdhd

[03:26:00]

wagnerrp:

now anydvdhd can be run within vmware on linux

[03:26:10]

squidly_ is now known as squidly

[03:26:22]

waxhead:

wagnerrp: yep... see that they are offering a life time subscription... offers runs out soon though.

[03:26:32]

iamlindoro_:

too late

[03:26:33]

wagnerrp:

offer ends tomorrow

[03:26:39]

iamlindoro_:

oh, they extended it?

[03:26:40]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro_: they extended it

[03:26:41]

iamlindoro_:

Nice

[03:26:48]

waxhead:

yeah, extended it...

[03:26:56]

iamlindoro_:

anyway, well worth it IMO

[03:26:58]

wagnerrp:

the discount and the lifetime subscription

[03:26:59]

waxhead:

was up at the end of december..

[03:27:08]

waxhead:

think so?

[03:27:30]

waxhead:

I've been tossing up whether or not to do it...

[03:27:43]

waxhead:

a mate of mine runs it... hasn't had a problem with it yet..

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[03:28:29]

iamlindoro_:

Yes, it's pretty fantastic, and I don't want to pay a subscription

[03:29:04]

waxhead:

iamlindoro_ have you paid the lifetime subs?

[03:29:17]

iamlindoro_:

I bought it a few years ago

[03:29:24]

iamlindoro_:

I'm grandfathered it

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wagnerrp:

there is no 'lifetime' until monday

[03:29:25]

iamlindoro_:

in

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wagnerrp:

they are going to continue offering lifetime subscriptions, for about 35% more

[03:32:31]

waxhead:

hmm.. just looking at the site now... does that mean lifetime subs is not available now?

[03:32:41]

waxhead:

only 20% off the yearly sub...

[03:32:49]

wagnerrp:

anything you purchase "now" is lifetime

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wagnerrp:

anything you purchase until midnight tomorrow will be lifetime

[03:33:59]

shep-home:

what do they do if there is a new version of AACS that they cant get around?

[03:34:10]

wagnerrp:

there wont be

[03:34:16]

wagnerrp:

AACS is fully cracked

[03:34:35]

wagnerrp:

however there are BD+ disks not currently rippable

[03:34:38]

shep-home:

sorry, i must be thinking of the wrong layer of bluray then?

[03:34:53]

shep-home:

chnages at the VM layer?

[03:34:57]

shep-home:

something along those lines?

[03:35:01]

waxhead:

didn't they hit a stumbling block with the last change to the BD encryption? It took a little longer to release a patch?

[03:35:13]

wagnerrp:

they have revoked keys multiple times, they have updated the VM layer multiple times

[03:35:31]

wagnerrp:

there is currently a new layer they havent cracked yet

[03:35:58]

iamlindoro_:

they actually beat it a few weeks ago

[03:36:14]

wagnerrp:

oh? i thought they had predicted mid-february

[03:36:20]

iamlindoro_:

yeah, got it beat early

[03:36:55]

iamlindoro_:

Now have my firefly on my drive but, heh, no libavcodec DTS-HD support so I can only watch it in Espanol

[03:38:12]

shep-home:

man, i need to figure out how to enable coredumps on gentoo

[03:38:14]

iamlindoro_:

Good thing I've still got the PS3 if I feel the need

[03:40:45]

iamlindoro_:

Got all the info needed for decoding the DTS "core" of DTS-HD out on the ffmpeg dev list, but that group is not unlike herding cats

[03:41:21]

iamlindoro_:

Also, what's up with people who can't keep their opinions to themselves about other people's work, anyway?

[03:41:34]

iamlindoro_:

(not referring to anyone here)

[03:41:51]

** waxhead just paid up for anydvdhd... **

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[03:42:03]

waxhead:

now I need a blueray player... :)

[03:42:15]

waxhead:

guess I'm off to the markets on the weekend...

[03:42:17]

wagnerrp:

what would you want a bluray player for?

[03:42:30]

waxhead:

wagnerrp: to rip from...

[03:42:30]

iamlindoro_:

Go to doom9 and find the thread about firmware flashing of BD-ROM drives

[03:42:38]

iamlindoro_:

and buy one that has a hacked ROM

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wagnerrp:

roms are more useful for that one

[03:42:57]

iamlindoro_:

so that you can always get the VID key on new disks and handle your own AACS if you so choose

[03:43:22]

wagnerrp:

("players" are standalone devices hooked up to your TV)

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waxhead:

sorry.. wrong term.. not a player, a rom..

[03:44:23]

waxhead:

which i have one in the mythbox...

[03:44:42]

waxhead:

and I got a BD player for $30 on a promotion thing when I bought a TV..

[03:45:04]

waxhead:

but I might get one and stick it in an external usb case..

[03:45:22]

shep-home:

iamlindoro_: you never give people feedback about thier work?

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iamlindoro_:

shep-home, not when it's unsolicited I don't

[03:45:41]

gilles:

Folks, I'm trying to run MythFillDatabase but it keeps failing http://pastebin.com/d7e4f720d . I'm not sure what to answer for: Database non-default port: [0]. Tried both 0 and 3306 but no difference. Does anyone understand the question "non-default" port?

[03:45:49]

iamlindoro_:

shep-home, anyway, wasn't referring to you

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shep-home:

iamlindoro_: I figured youd say my name if you were:-)

[03:46:36]

iamlindoro_:

gilles, Seems to imply your mysql server is not running on the standard port (3306)

[03:46:43]

hadees:

does anydvdhd work on via wine?

[03:46:49]

iamlindoro_:

nope

[03:46:57]

gilles:

hmm,, let me lsof...

[03:47:23]

shep-home:

iamlindoro_: I'm supposing that sending in a backtrace or a patch doesnt count as opinion?

[03:47:36]

hadees:

well i might have gotten that lifetime deal but since i can't really use it whats the point

[03:47:40]

waxhead:

gilles: netstat -tln will show you if the port is open

[03:48:05]

iamlindoro_:

shep-home, No, doesn't count, and is usually helpful (patching is always okay, BTs are okay when they are valid and pertain to supported features)

[03:48:16]

shep-home:

hadees: I bet there will be an opensource "solution" sooner or later ;-)

[03:48:24]

waxhead:

hadees: my kids refuse to give up windows.. so I have a machine to host it on...

[03:48:33]

iamlindoro_:

hadees, Well, you can run VMWare or its cousins

[03:49:21]

shep-home:

iamlindoro_: so you are referring to things like critiques of style, etc?

[03:49:47]

hadees:

yeah but i'm more looking for direct playback on my linux htpc, i don't know if i want vmware running on that or how i could even link it into my mythfrontend menus

[03:49:53]

iamlindoro_:

shep-home, I'm wondering what you are getting at here-- is there something you want to ask?

[03:50:07]

iamlindoro_:

hadees, You wouldn't, you'd rip the disk and play it in mythvideo

[03:50:17]

iamlindoro_:

hadees, That's as far as linux blu-ray capability goes ATM

[03:50:20]

shep-home:

nope – i'll try to be as direct as you if i want to :-D

[03:50:25]

kdubya:

direct playback is not even close

[03:52:06]

shep-home:

I'd almost think that open-source is an implicit allowal for review

[03:52:48]

iamlindoro_:

open source is an implicit allowal for modification-- stating your opinion on the original work is just as rude as ever

[03:52:59]

iamlindoro_:

at least, without offering an alternative

[03:53:27]

iamlindoro_:

But the open-source geek crowd has never been burdened with an overabundance of tact/politeness/hygiene

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shep-home:

ill definitely agree that offering options is always better – but I know that I've been confronted with code that I *know* is ugly or bad, without being able to offer a better alternative

[03:54:17]

iamlindoro_:

shep-home, That would be a perfect time to keep that opinion to oneself

[03:54:52]

shep-home:

maybe so, but not always true – if it were a newbie coder, for example

[03:54:59]

gilles:

waxhead: how do I know which port it's running on with netstat? I see a /tmp/mysql.sock ..

[03:55:18]

kdubya:

the only reason to ever keep your opinion to yourself is if there is no one around to hear it

[03:55:30]

waxhead:

you don't.. you just see the port is open...

[03:55:31]

kdubya:

in which case you should probably go find someone to complain at

[03:55:32]

iamlindoro_:

shep-home, And what service would you be doing someone if you couldn't offer a better alternative?

[03:56:02]

shep-home:

thats a good point for the newbie case...

[03:56:10]

shep-home:

but when I work with peers at work

[03:56:11]

iamlindoro_:

A staggering number of people seem to have missed the "if you don't have anything nice to say" lesson

[03:56:20]

shep-home:

we all have specialty areas

[03:56:29]

iamlindoro_:

Also, most children are tragically under-beaten these days

[03:56:36]

iamlindoro_:

but that's neither here nor there

[03:56:42]

shep-home:

and I can say that a solution seems inelegant, and not be able to suggest better

[03:56:51]

waxhead:

gilles: do a netstat -tln and note if 3306 is open... then /etc/init.d/mysql stop and then check again... if the port isn't in the list then mysql is using it

[03:57:01]

iamlindoro_:

recognizing inelegance implies you have a knowledge of what elegance is

[03:57:18]

iamlindoro_:

So if you truly have perspective you ought to be able to offer an alternative

[03:57:31]

iamlindoro_:

and if you can't... well, then it's very likely the case that you don't have adequate perspective to be allowed to weigh in

[03:57:35]

shep-home:

does that extend beyond code?

[03:57:37]

waxhead:

shep-home: but if you can't offer anything better, how do you know it's inelegant?

[03:57:51]

iamlindoro_:

it extends to a great many things

[03:57:55]

shep-home:

like, can you say that some art is ugly, but not be able to make better yourself?

[03:58:10]

shep-home:

Or does everyone have to be a master at everything in order to comment?

[03:58:20]

iamlindoro_:

shep-home, No. you can't. You *can* say that it's not your style.

[03:58:20]

waxhead:

you can say that, but then you're just another arsehole with an opinion...

[03:58:29]

iamlindoro_:

as that doesn't detract from the effort necessary to create such a thing

[03:58:55]

waxhead:

code is different though...

[03:59:07]

waxhead:

if something is less optimal, then code shows this..

[03:59:14]

kdubya:

if you cannot criticize people that are better than you are then life isnt worth living

[03:59:14]

waxhead:

there is not opinion about that...

[03:59:37]

shep-home:

waxhead: thats not neccesarily true

[04:00:03]

waxhead:

and when you see this in code, then if you know that it's sub optimal you offer advise on this...

[04:00:12]

shep-home:

some code is obviously better in some dimension, sure (memory, size, etc)

[04:00:43]

hadees:

price

[04:00:49]

iamlindoro_:

waxhead, All that said, we agree that to offer said opinion one should be capable of offering an optimal solution, no?

[04:01:00]

iamlindoro_:

or at least "more optimal"

[04:01:06]

shep-home:

but given two ways that arrive at the same end, what objective criteria can you use?

[04:01:15]

kdubya:

can i say that jake delhomme sucks even though he is clearly a better quarterback than i am

[04:01:38]

kdubya:

because the dude just threw 5 picks

[04:01:45]

shep-home:

kdubya: well, you could say he should stop throwing interceptions

[04:01:46]

waxhead:

iamlindoro_ yes... of course... otherwise it's elitism.. and that's anyone's choice to do that.. but again you're just another arsehole with an opinion

[04:02:10]

iamlindoro_:

This is where most people misunderstand the word "constructive"

[04:02:24]

iamlindoro_:

They think constructive criticism is just criticism that you put in a nice way

[04:02:44]

kdubya:

man whats with that

[04:02:50]

kdubya:

i dont require people to be nice to me

[04:03:03]

waxhead:

the output of the code at hand is the art... the code itself is generally more about tenacity and perservierance ...

[04:03:09]

kdubya:

who cares if people complain about crap

[04:03:51]

waxhead:

kdubya: if you spend a lot of time and effort to produce something and people shit on it.. it's hard...

[04:04:06]

** waxhead gets cranky with the boss when he says "change this on the web site"... **

[04:04:19]

waxhead:

and it's just a lame web site...

[04:04:27]

shep-home:

waxhead: agreed – it sucks when someone rags on your code

[04:04:39]

waxhead:

but the effort int he code etc is the bit that hurts you...

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waxhead:

but in saying that, if someone looked at hte code and said, "You're using hashes for no reason that couldn't be done with an array, Like "this" < insert code example >" " Then I'd go COOL thanks

[04:05:59]

iamlindoro_:

I also prefer that people are simultaneously not dickweeds

[04:06:10]

GreyFoxx:

yeah. It's when they say "Your using hashes, your an idiot. You shold rewrite that"

[04:06:17]

GreyFoxx:

that they are just assholes :)

[04:06:18]

waxhead:

that's a difference... ignorance isn't the basis from which you provide contructive critisim...

[04:07:08]

GreyFoxx:

Or worst they assume intentions on the code. Like assuming eveyr myth dev;s GOAL is to get everyone using myth instead of anything else, or assuming all mythdevs CARE if any idiot with a 10 iq who has never touched acomputer can use it

[04:07:33]

waxhead:

I was looking at C++ code the other day and couldn't do simple things I've gotten very used to, the guy beside me was moaning about the shittiness of C++ and that it should die etc etc.. but it has it's place..

[04:07:42]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx, ergo my original comment in the context of #mythtv ;)

[04:07:52]

shep-home:

GreyFoxx: does myth have a "mission statement" or equivalent?

[04:07:58]

GreyFoxx:

No

[04:08:04]

GreyFoxx:

shep-home: No

[04:08:10]

wagnerrp:

'fight the man'?

[04:08:12]

iamlindoro_:

shep-home, "Do what I want it to" where I=the person writing it

[04:08:14]

waxhead:

because we weren't overly proficient in it, we hit "simple" road blocks that caused us a lot of pain... but that doesn't warrent detracting from the lanuage... it means we need to brush up on our skills...

[04:08:26]

GreyFoxx:

When I write code it's "Do what I want how I want it. If that happens to work for others as well that's great"

[04:09:02]

waxhead:

where's justinh when you need him.. :)

[04:09:09]

GreyFoxx:

And if someone is a friend I have no problems working on stuff that doesn't interest me fo them

[04:09:15]

waxhead:

he's got the mission statement down pat.. :)

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GreyFoxx:

But I don't spend a lot of time on stuff that doesn't affect me or those I "care for"

[04:09:53]

GreyFoxx:

cept for money :)

[04:10:18]

shep-home:

GreyFoxx: sure – why would any of us waste time except for a reason (usefulness, money)

[04:10:51]

waxhead:

I guess my point is, opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one. Many people wrap opinion up as "constructive criticism", when they have no right to.

[04:11:21]

gilles:

I did a netstat with and without mysql and then I did a diff. This is what I got... http://pastebin.com/d6eb95672. Is it normal for mysql to only open a stream and no port? Is that a config problem with mysql ?

[04:11:27]

kdubya:

id like to formally criticize waxhead for he mispelling of assholes

[04:11:29]

shep-home:

iamlindoro_: so, say I get a crash in a recent, up-to-date myth and nvidia-drivers, and get a backtrace from it – i should do nothing with it, right?

[04:11:48]

shep-home:

gilles: mysql will open a local socket by default i believe

[04:11:52]

GreyFoxx:

shep-home: Of course you shouldn't

[04:12:02]

GreyFoxx:

You should put it in trac with as much detail to replicate as possible

[04:12:04]

waxhead:

ass is a donkey... arse is the business end after a hot chilli....

[04:12:17]

shep-home:

gilles: you can open a socket in addition, or you can connect over the local socket

[04:12:52]

iamlindoro_:

shep-home, Depends on what it's caused by, but there's no harm in opening a ticket, it's just that *if* it's related to VDPAU it'll likely be closed invalid

[04:13:23]

shep-home:

GreyFoxx: "<iamlindoro_> shep-home, VDPAU isn't up for bug-reporting, it's like complaining your under construction skyscraper doesn't have walls"

[04:13:23]

iamlindoro_:

But very likely if it's VDPAU that it's a known issue, there are several being actively worked on right now

[04:13:25]

shep-home:

:-)

[04:13:37]

GreyFoxx:

shep-home: In the VDPAU case he's write

[04:13:38]

iamlindoro_:

shep-home, And? It's still true

[04:13:41]

GreyFoxx:

err right

[04:13:48]

GreyFoxx:

for everything else no, backtraces are welcome

[04:14:25]

** iamlindoro_ waits patiently for his apology **

[04:14:50]

** lyricnz had a backtrace for a frontend crash, would that be helpful to diagnose? **

[04:14:59]

** lyricnz has pretty regular frontend crashes **

[04:16:32]

lyricnz:

http://pastebin.com/m4e67b809

[04:16:38]

iamlindoro_:

lyricnz, If it's just out of nowhere, the first thing I would do is rm all your libmyth* and myth plugin libs (this step is *important*), then make distclean, then rebuild and reinstall so you are sure it's not linking against old libs

[04:17:09]

lyricnz:

yeah, I just rebuilt it to get all the debug syms etc

[04:17:14]

iamlindoro_:

lyricnz, what theme are you running, and is this trunk?

[04:17:41]

iamlindoro_:

and did you do "rm /usr/lib/libmyth*" and "rm /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/*"?

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lyricnz:

it's 0.21-fixes (r19344) running blootube-wide and blueosd

[04:18:50]

iamlindoro_:

ah, okay, then that theme should be fine to use

[04:18:55]

lyricnz:

I mention the OSD because it looks like a memory-free issue in freetype

[04:19:24]

lyricnz:

ie: fonts, and the stack trace looks like it's doing OSD at the time

[04:19:45]

shep-home:

iamlindoro_: apology for what? I was just showing GF what you had said, which I why I was assuming I should *not* file a bug

[04:20:06]

iamlindoro_:

mmhm

[04:20:38]

lyricnz:

Any ideas, fellas?

[04:20:59]

lyricnz:

Obviously it's freetype 2.3.7 – I'm looking at their issue stuff now

[04:21:25]

lyricnz:

that's the latest release, anyway

[04:22:53]

lyricnz:

that particular file hasn't changed in six months

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stegel:

hmm, got hdmi audio working in vlc...but can't seem to get it to play in myth...anyone with experience here?

[04:33:36]

iamlindoro_:

stegel, Don't currently use HDMI audio myself, but it's no different in linux/myth than any other audio device-- Utilities/Setup->Setup->General, page four or so, you set the Audio Output device to the linux device node or name

[04:33:58]

iamlindoro_:

ie if ALSA calls it "hdmiaudio" then you would use "ALSA:hdmiaudio"

[04:34:14]

iamlindoro_:

aplay -L *may* give you what you need

[04:34:28]

iamlindoro_:

although it's somewhat recently been changed to be less useful than before from what I hear

[04:34:42]

iamlindoro_:

for me, HDMI audio is "ALSA:hdmi"

[04:35:31]

stegel:

it works for listening to music, but that's it

[04:35:34]

stegel:

does that make sense?

[04:35:45]

iamlindoro_:

No audio on a TV recording?

[04:35:55]

stegel:

no audio for dvds or live tv

[04:35:58]

stegel:

just mp3s

[04:36:04]

iamlindoro_:

try toggling the AC3 and DTS passthough

[04:36:06]

iamlindoro_:

same page

[04:36:58]

kdubya:

that link i sent you earlier said something about only using 44khz or something

[04:37:21]

stegel:

do you remember the link

[04:37:34]

stegel:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . 73&num=4

[04:37:35]

stegel:

?

[04:37:37]

stegel:

?

[04:37:43]

kdubya:

http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14688

[04:38:51]

kdubya:

it looks like gbee definitely has sound coming out of myth over hdmi

[04:39:05]

iamlindoro_:

yes, he uses HDMI + audio

[04:39:08]

kdubya:

so you could wait until he shows up here and bug him

[04:39:39]

iamlindoro_:

He's also a very reliable source of info, so if he posted you can most assuredly trust it

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stegel:

now i have dvd audio

[04:40:23]

stegel:

but not TV

[04:41:52]

stegel:

i don't have to restart after making these changes right

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iamlindoro_:

nope

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dustybin:

one can create some nice theme artwork here: http://bomomo.com/

[04:58:08]

kdubya:

dustybin, what hell is going on here

[04:58:26]

dustybin:

kdubya: watch your language!

[04:58:42]

kdubya:

ok

[04:58:48]

kdubya:

what on earth is going on here

[04:59:06]

wagnerrp:

he meant to say, 'what the hijizzle is going on here'

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iamlindoro_:

Oh hooray, forgot Galactica is back this week

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[05:02:19]

kdubya:

it is?

[05:02:39]

iamlindoro_:

yep

[05:02:58]

shep-home:

hooray indeed

[05:03:14]

kdubya:

maybe they will tell us what is going on now

[05:03:16]

shep-home:

too bad I have to wait for it to be downloadable

[05:03:40]

shep-home:

kdubya: have you seen the updated "what the frak is going on?" ?

[05:03:41]

kdubya:

shep-home, that going to be a tough 20 minute wait for you?

[05:04:01]

shep-home:

20 minutes... after the end you mean?

[05:04:13]

kdubya:

yeah

[05:04:25]

shep-home:

i dont even rmemeber what time it comes on anymore

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[05:04:43]

kdubya:

it has always been fridays i think

[05:04:55]

kdubya:

i dont know what time

[05:05:02]

shep-home:

kdubya: http://io9.com/5105634/what-the-frak-happened-this-time

[05:05:08]

iamlindoro_:

I personally think the final cylon is going to be more wild than people are assuming

[05:05:17]

iamlindoro_:

my money's on the ship

[05:05:23]

kdubya:

nah

[05:05:37]

iamlindoro_:

you don't know any more than I

[05:05:40]

kdubya:

didnt they say it was really going to be a letdown because the buildup was so much?

[05:06:02]

iamlindoro_:

People *say* lots of things, doesn't mean anything until it all comes out

[05:06:42]

kdubya:

the creator dude said that

[05:06:47]

kdubya:

moore or something

[05:07:02]

iamlindoro_:

Ronald D. Moore, and He's been giving lots of contradictory statements

[05:07:07]

kdubya:

but yeah, he could be lying

[05:07:13]

iamlindoro_:

mostly for misdirection if I had to guess

[05:08:20]

wagnerrp:

i guess i should clear out some old recordings...

[05:08:29]

wagnerrp:

atlantis and pushing daisies are both over?

[05:08:40]

iamlindoro_:

A few more eps of pushings daisies left

[05:08:52]

kdubya:

they are not showing them though

[05:09:05]

shep-home:

man, scifi is just showing BSG all day friday

[05:09:18]

iamlindoro_:

kdubya, Huh? Since when?

[05:09:22]

shep-home:

starting 8am

[05:10:33]

iamlindoro_:

kdubya, Al, well as of *now* they're not scheduled, but that's not a "never going to air"

[05:10:35]

iamlindoro_:

er Ah

[05:10:43]

kdubya:

http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/01/07/weve-probab . . . ing-daisies/

[05:11:03]

kdubya:

yeah thats true

[05:11:12]

kdubya:

might not come until the dvd though

[05:11:12]

wagnerrp:

well thats disappointing

[05:11:30]

iamlindoro_:

I'll be mighty irritated if they don't air

[05:11:41]

iamlindoro_:

not that I'm not already irritated about the cancellation

[05:11:52]

kdubya:

i have never even seen one episode

[05:12:13]

shep-home:

alright ladies and/or gents, its bedtime

[05:12:20]

shep-home:

thanks for the help

[05:12:20]

kdubya:

i just remember reading that article and thinking it was kind of stupid to show a rerun when you already have some new content created

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Anduin:

a rerun of scrubs a show they are foolishly trying to save

[05:14:06]

iamlindoro_:

Scrubs is cute, but PD is absolutely brilliant

[05:14:24]

iamlindoro_:

Besides, Scrubs got many a season, PD never got a single full one

[05:16:45]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Mega-Greys-Daisies-1001287.aspx

[05:16:58]

iamlindoro_:

According to that they're contractually obligated to air them

[05:17:05]

iamlindoro_:

But sounds like they might blow them out all at once

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iamlindoro_:

(and when/if they do Tribune Media Services had BETTER not let me down)

[05:17:39]

wagnerrp:

lets hope they conclude things

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp, Per Bryan Fuller it ends on a major cliffhanger

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kdubya:

nice

[05:18:17]

wagnerrp:

so the show endes... forever... on a cliffhanger...

[05:18:25]

iamlindoro_:

yar

[05:18:27]

wagnerrp:

thats a bitch move if ive ever heard one

[05:18:50]

iamlindoro_:

Well they had all 13 in the can before being canceled

[05:19:00]

iamlindoro_:

They were waiting on being picked up for the back half of the season

[05:22:50]

wagnerrp:

now i dont know if i want to watch the last few episodes...

[05:26:09]

skorp88:

got a mytharchive question here, if anyone can help

[05:27:01]

wagnerrp:

buy more hard drives

[05:28:44]

skorp88:

you have a point there. actually I'm just bored, trying to get it to work, would be keen to make a dvd of a tv show for family and whatnot

[05:29:13]

wagnerrp:

half joke anyway... ive never used mytharchive personally

[05:31:14]

skorp88:

just when it is about to burn the dvd, exits with 'IOError: [Errno 25] Inappropriate ioctl for device'. any guesses?

[05:31:39]

wagnerrp:

sounds like permissions issues

[05:32:32]

** RyeBrye just built myth from dist-clean to completed build in less than 2 minutes :) **

[05:32:35]

skorp88:

yeah that's what i thought but I already checked that.

[05:32:46]

kdubya:

when is it not permissions issues

[05:33:54]

RyeBrye:

skorp88: do you have a burnable disk in?

[05:34:01]

d0netsFN:

so is there no better way to stream the recorded shows other than the mythweb flash player?

[05:34:07]

skorp88:

lol yup. yeah, full permissions on /media/cdrom0 and /dev/sdc1

[05:34:10]

d0netsFN:

i tried watching basketball earlier and i was having to guess who had the ball

[05:34:21]

d0netsFN:

if i could see the ball at all

[05:35:16]

skorp88:

yeah that's a good question.. burnable disc, lemme try burning one outside of myth

[05:35:23]

wagnerrp:

d0netsFN: crack up the bitrate

[05:35:31]

kdubya:

it really seems like there should be some better slingbox type program for linux

[05:36:28]

wagnerrp:

its called VLC

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d0netsFN:

i did to 512

[05:36:48]

d0netsFN:

it was still hard to watch

[05:36:51]

d0netsFN:

and what do you mean vlc

[05:36:56]

d0netsFN:

how do i rig that up

[05:37:05]

wagnerrp:

VLC is designed for video capture and streaming

[05:37:06]

kdubya:

videolan client

[05:37:58]

** waxhead has used mytharchive to great effect **

[05:38:31]

d0netsFN:

mytharchive?

[05:38:33]

d0netsFN:

whats that aboot

[05:38:43]

wagnerrp:

burning recordings to playable DVD

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kdubya:

not streaming baskingball games

[05:38:47]

waxhead:

burn recordings to DVD

[05:39:06]

waxhead:

it does a heap... creates menus etc...

[05:39:15]

waxhead:

really easy to use... and all done with the remote...

[05:40:06]

d0netsFN:

yea im wanting to stream remotely

[05:40:35]

d0netsFN:

i tried streaming a college game

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d0netsFN:

my gf laughed at how big it was

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d0netsFN:

i told her sized didnt matter

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d0netsFN:

size*

[05:41:09]

wagnerrp:

how big?

[05:41:33]

d0netsFN:

lol i had it at 400 X 300 at 512

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wagnerrp:

oh... laughed at how small it was

[05:41:59]

waxhead:

doesn't transcode do that sort of thing?

[05:42:03]

wagnerrp:

well thats common

[05:42:21]

** waxhead has no idea about streaming... so will shutup... **

[05:46:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: just read your conversation with prom-dude... Sounded decent at first, then seemed to go get a bit deep...

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[05:48:10]

lyricnz:

No more pushing daisies? Damn, I like watching that with the kids.

[05:48:32]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A, Yeah, it turned left around "I don't do C/C++ but I'm awesome at actionscript" and "I'm going to write a new frontend in flash"

[05:49:15]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A, Also more than a little rude, given the screenshots he was showing not being anything I personally would ever want to use

[05:49:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: That, and his totatal trashing of your awesome theme...

[05:49:50]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A, ah well, not everyone's going to want to use it, that's fine

[05:50:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: Well, he seemed to be a bit of a bleep about it... Jeepers, he's talking about using animation and live video for backgrounds, then says yours is too busy? jeepers...

[05:51:30]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A, Fact remains, you just can't *do* most of what myth needs to do, especially in High-Def, with flash

[05:51:38]

iamlindoro_:

No matter how fantastic you are at UI

[05:51:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: Yeah, I hear ya. ;-)

[05:52:10]

kdubya:

fullscreen flash in linux works great

[05:52:14]

kdubya:

i think its a good idea

[05:52:23]

iamlindoro_:

great at heating my bedroom?

[05:52:28]

kdubya:

heh

[05:54:12]

iamlindoro_:

That said, if he wanted to write a flash frontend within reason that could be embedded into mythweb, neat

[05:54:49]

iamlindoro_:

Of course, he'll never do a thing, but...

[05:55:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: very true...

[05:56:00]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A, Also couldn't quite tell what the screenshots were supposed to be-- I mean, was that the implementation of MythGame, or was he saying he'd do something sorta-like that, or...?

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kdubya:

bzip2'ing a 12 gig file takes a _really_ long time

[05:57:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: yeah, no kidding. The pics he linked to didn't exist, but I looked at the other 5 or 6 on his page, and they were blah

[05:59:11]

skorp88:

ryebrye: I think you might have solved the problem. brasero didn't work either, switched to a different brand dvd and it worked. hopefully mytharchive works now

[05:59:46]

RyeBrye:

skorp88: yeah, I had that problem before I think when I had a disc that was partially burned in a failed burn in the drivce

[05:59:49]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A, Anyway, what he wants to do will come in .22, and if not then, then for .23

[06:01:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: Got that patch submitted yesterday... ;-) We'll see how it's received...

[06:01:54]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A, saw that, congrats (now you have to start badgering ;) )

[06:02:02]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, writing a flash frontend would be a major PITA because you'd have to write an entire communication layer on the Myth side to communicate <-> to the Flash client in a way that Flash would like to communicate

[06:02:07]

RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A: what does the patch do?

[06:02:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: ah, it'sn not that important... ;-)

[06:02:22]

gilles:

I know this is probably not the best place ot ask but my mysql port 3306 seems unresponsive and doesn't show up in netstat. Yet my log shows this: http://pastebin.com/d507918a1 – any ideas?

[06:02:36]

iamlindoro_:

RyeBrye, Naw, you could just get the flash app to speak mythproto

[06:02:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: Just for the LCD display – changes the bigclock to use the time format instead of the hardcoded 24-hour clock. ;-)

[06:03:06]

iamlindoro_:

the bigger problem would be presenting the flash app with transcoded video, and to do that *right* will mean building on-the-fly transcoding into the backend

[06:03:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: So my LCD now reads "1:03am".... instead of "01:03"

[06:03:43]

RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A: ooooh. me want

[06:03:53]

RyeBrye:

mine says 23:03

[06:03:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: Are you running trunk?

[06:04:00]

RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A: yes

[06:04:11]

RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A: and I can make a new build from distclean in less than 2 minutes :)

[06:04:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6103

[06:04:19]

RyeBrye:

I don't want to see 23:10 on my clock! ;)

[06:04:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: Well, it will say "11:10pm" with this patch... ;-)

[06:06:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: You'd just have to do the make within the mythlcdserver directory... ;-)

[06:07:54]

RyeBrye:

building now... running checkinstall....

[06:09:53]

RyeBrye:

Ah :)

[06:09:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: Here's a preview, from my first update on 0.21-fixes http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/bigclock_new.jpg

[06:09:57]

RyeBrye:

I don't see it saying PM... :)

[06:10:30]

RyeBrye:

BUT I do say it saying 11:09 – so I met my goal... I would have had it faster but I forgot to kill mythlcdserver before opening the frontend so it was still using the older one that was running :)

[06:10:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

you may have to bounce mythlcdserver ... ps: this is only on a character lcd...

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RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A: it works on my non-character LCD

[06:11:08]

RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A: just not with the PM I guess

[06:11:28]

gilles:

J-e-f-f-A: that looks like a serial LCD, what did you hook it up to?

[06:11:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: It's a crystalfonts 634 usb

[06:12:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: er... CrystalFontz 634

[06:12:28]

RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A: the numbers work fine on my Imon LCD – no PM... but I can usually tell if it is AM or PM

[06:13:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: Humm... I tested it on my Crystalfonts 634 20x4 (USB) and a Hitachi HD44780 20x4 (via Parallel) ...

[06:14:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: Is the colon centered on your display?

[06:14:11]

RyeBrye:

let me see

[06:14:17]

RyeBrye:

it's recording so it will take a second to get back to the clock

[06:14:27]

RyeBrye:

Yes. it is centered

[06:14:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: Do you see the blinking period in the bottom-right corner?

[06:15:00]

RyeBrye:

Nope. No blinking period. is that a modified heartbeat? I turned off heartbeat

[06:15:37]

RyeBrye:

I think mine is 96x16

[06:15:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: No, previously it blinked the colon, but at a 1/2hz rate... (on for 1 sec, off for 1 sec...) So I changed it to a period...

[06:16:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: Perhaps you've got the size set wrong in your config, thus cutting off a couple of characters on the right? Is the word "RECORDING" centered on the 1st line [for that screen]?

[06:17:27]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, it appears to be. I can go grab my camera and take a short video of it cycling through the screens

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J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: Cool... Maybe it's just a bug in the lcdproc driver for your display... seems to work perfectly on my 2 character LCDs that I currently have setup.

[06:19:32]

RyeBrye:

yeah, I could easily see LCDproc having a bug for this display. It was a major bitch to get working in the first place

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wagnerrp:

ive been considering getting a VFD panel, but i really dont look at the panels on the vcr/receiver/dvdplayer

[06:21:01]

wagnerrp:

not sure it would really be of worth

[06:21:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: I'm currently only using it on my backend, nice to see the recording status with a glance...

[06:22:57]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, the recordign status makes it worth it

[06:22:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: The current lcd screens are "OK", but I feel they could be much better, so I'm going to work in improving them a bit. This patch was the first step... ;-)

[06:23:12]

RyeBrye:

it's very nice to just pop in and see "Ah, it's recording – cool" and then go on to something else

[06:23:40]

RyeBrye:

If I used it for music and had control buttons on my case, it would be invaluable for navigating the menus and selecting songs to play

[06:23:44]

RyeBrye:

but I don't, and I don't

[06:24:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: so you do? (that was a double-negative!)

[06:24:34]

wagnerrp:

that wasnt a double negative

[06:24:39]

RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A: no, I am multithreaded :) so each was returning false

[06:24:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: (or one do you have multiple personalities?) ;-)

[06:24:40]

wagnerrp:

it was a no to two different statements

[06:25:30]

wagnerrp:

i think media player would be the only thing i would find useful

[06:26:03]

wagnerrp:

however i think it would be better to have a smartphone/palmtop for that purpose

[06:26:09]

wagnerrp:

as a remote control over telnet

[06:26:24]

RyeBrye:

I didn't think I would use it much – but I really can't imagine living without the LCD on it now

[06:26:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: or an iPhone and use kormoc's interface... ;-)

[06:27:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: ^^ yeah, you're right, that wasn't a double-negative... duh... sorry, half asleep, it's 1:30am now... I'm normally just about sawing logs by now...

[06:29:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: If you want, I'll tell you how to modify that patch to put the AM/PM indicator on the top-left... It's on the end of line 3 in my patch currently, which doesn't work on your display. Maybe it will work left-justified?

[06:29:37]

RyeBrye:

perhaps it will

[06:29:39]

RyeBrye:

one sec

[06:30:31]

RyeBrye:

http://web.me.com/m1928/Site/lcd.html

[06:33:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ooh, pretty characters on the bigclock... much better than a character lcd... ;-)

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RyeBrye:

as a funny time-format related anectode... I was working on a time-format string for an app earlier this week and set it to JJ:MM – JJ is the 0–23 format, and I thought MM was the minutes... but NN is minutes, MM is month-of-year :) I wondered for a little while why all my timestamps were at the same time... :)

[06:33:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: ^^^ I've got the same display in my Antec Fusion Black 430 case, but don't currently have a MB in it...

[06:34:11]

RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A: put a MB in that case and start hacking on gettng the format icons to work :P

[06:34:34]

RyeBrye:

http://www.ronfrazier.net/ronfrazier.net/mythtv/#iMonLCDTweaks that guy has a way to do it...

[06:34:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: There's already work being done on that! ;-)

[06:34:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: [well not by me... yet at least...]

[06:35:17]

RyeBrye:

His method is to replace MythLCD server entirely

[06:35:29]

RyeBrye:

and have his server drive the display – which is fine – but it's got a bit of setup work

[06:35:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: Oh, that's why... my AM/PM is on line 3... yours is basically a 2-line LCD...

[06:35:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: So... here ya go, this should be easy to fix...

[06:35:52]

RyeBrye:

Ah, so jsut put it on line 1?

[06:36:23]

RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A: well... technically it's a 16-line LCD but each line is only one dot high ;)

[06:36:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: Yeah, put the ampm on line 1, and if you want the flashing dot in the bottom corner, put it on line 2. ;-)

[06:37:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: But from lcdproc's perspective, it's a 16x2 (or 20x2) character lcd... except for the large characters for the big clock...

[06:38:24]

RyeBrye:

Right

[06:38:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: In my patch, lines 36, 96 and 102

[06:39:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: The last number is the [character] line number of the LCD to place that text on.

[06:39:59]

RyeBrye:

yep, I see AM now – but it's small... can I make it as OMFG huge as the other letters easily?

[06:40:23]

RyeBrye:

Although I guess that works

[06:40:35]

RyeBrye:

but I'd want AM to show up on line 1 and PM to show up on line 2 :)

[06:40:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: Humm... not sure – that would be a function of the lcdproc lcd driver...

[06:40:43]

RyeBrye:

then it's more like an alarm-clock style

[06:41:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: That could be accomplished... ;-)

[06:41:28]

RyeBrye:

Does it only show up when it's PM? that'd be fine too... (also like a cheap alarm clock style)

[06:42:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: btw – the video just shows a preview, then a white screen for me... doh!

[06:42:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: AM and PM will show up in the same place... with that patch at least.

[06:43:08]

RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A: Ironically, I had to download that AVI file and play it outside of the browser... because Apple's QT plugin couldn't play it

[06:43:32]

RyeBrye:

(the irony is Apple's own software – most likely quicktime – transcoded that file in the first place)

[06:43:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: Yeah, no kidding, eh?

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RyeBrye:

IR-Watch that ron frazier has is a really cool script too... I might get that back in place on my system now that I'm at his page again

[06:47:01]

RyeBrye:

Ah yes, the beef I had with Ron Frazier's LCD server is that the fonts are ugly as sin, and I was goign to write a tool to convert existing pixel fonts to the format he wanted but never did

[06:48:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: I thought the latest lcdproc worked with that imon lcd... Is that not true?

[06:49:19]

RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A: It very well may. But no way in hell am I going to switch off this one that I fought so hard to get working to test :)

[06:49:31]

RyeBrye:

The latest LIRC I know works with it

[06:49:43]

RyeBrye:

I'm not sure if LCDProc stil needs patches or not

[06:50:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: hehe... Well, if I happen to pick up a uATX mb to put in that case, I'll start fiddling with the iMon display too... ;-)

[06:50:53]

RyeBrye:

I might get back to working on a tool for font conversion

[06:51:17]

RyeBrye:

The thing that's really nice about Ron Frazier's thing is it amkes use of the litle progress bars that are in the screen without using up the character space

[06:51:39]

RyeBrye:

so you don't have to have just 1 line of text and 1 line of a progress bar... you can have 2 lines of text and the little progress bar below it

[06:52:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: I had a crappy PcChips MB with an Athlon Mobile 2800 in there, and it wouldn't work even as a trunk test box (tuners were present, but wouldn't tune... really wierd...) Gave that MB to my son, and built a new test bed on my 'old' backend system...

[06:52:42]

RyeBrye:

"Here son, have a motherboard that your dad can't get to work. Enjoy it's random failures. It will build character"

[06:52:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: Yeah, there's been some discussion on the lcdproc development list about extra icon support.

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RyeBrye:

http://www.soundgraph.com/Eng_/Products/oem3. . . . ;leftMenu=43 <-- why didn't they put 1080/720/480 i/p on the screen? :(

[06:54:08]

RyeBrye:

Seriously... who cares about if the file is OGG or WAV – and whatever the heck the "FIT" icon is, I don't know

[06:54:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: I think I paid like $47 for the thing, cpu and all... My "old" backend was faster anyways... Athlon 64 x2 4600 [but Socket 939]...

[06:54:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: Yes... ;-) It's designed for winblows...

[06:54:55]

RyeBrye:

Although now that I see they make orange ones, I want... Orange will be the new blue – just you watch

[06:55:38]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, it is designed for windows – but what's funny is that on windows it's also locked down so it only works from certain programs – but in Linux one you get it working it works with anything – so it's almost more useful in linux than in windows

[06:58:32]

** RyeBrye goes and hops in the orgy that is #ubuntu to see if anyone there has their RT2860 wireless card working with WPA **

[06:58:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: I like the fact that it's a graphical display, not just a character display, but a couple of things I'm not a huge fan of: 1) Even when the pc is off, the backlight is on, 2) it's not the fastest thing in the world – scrolling text blurs easily, and 3) the background is pretty bright... a better polarizer would have looked more like a VFD...

[07:00:05]

RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A: Yeah. The backlight can cranked down quite a bit from the default value in the lcdproc settings I think – which makes it look a bit nicer – but it does have blur if you set the refresh too fast

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J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: when I initially couldn't get it to work with lcdproc (about a year ago now), I tested it on my winblows box with the included drivers. [I got the case for $160 when CompUSA went out of business – normally $199]

[07:03:39]

d0netsFN:

awww lame my basketball game went over 2 hours and myth cut it off

[07:03:49]

d0netsFN:

in the most intense part of the game

[07:03:56]

d0netsFN:

what a blue baller

[07:04:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

d0netsFN: Ya should have set it to extend the recording by 2 hrs... ;-)

[07:05:07]

Lexridge:

Dish network automagically does this with sporting events. Myth should too. ;)

[07:05:17]

d0netsFN:

yea

[07:05:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

I think there's a hack somwhere out there to do just that....

[07:05:43]

iamlindoro_:

*eyes narrow*

[07:05:52]

Lexridge:

lol

[07:06:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

probably hasn't been updated in like 4 years though... ;-)

[07:06:28]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_recording_extender

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iamlindoro_:

So really, it's more of a "I'm a dumbass for not looking into it and doing something about it"

[07:07:16]

wylie_:

:)

[07:07:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

^^^ yeah that's it – found it like 5 seconds before you pasted that... 0.19 ... ;-)

[07:07:45]

Lexridge:

interesting! and I for one just record it first on my Dish DVR then transfer it to myth after the fact.

[07:07:51]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A, Proto for modifying recordings probably hasn't changed much/at all

[07:08:04]

Lexridge:

I guess I won't have to do that anymore. :)

[07:08:06]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A, More likely if anything is broken it's the source of scoreboard data

[07:08:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: Yeah, that's probably true...

[07:08:44]

hadees:

damn looks like mythtube won't build against trunk right now

[07:09:15]

hadees:

really wanted to try it but thats guess i'll just wait till a stable version is released against .22

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: Jeeze, it might still work — I just clicked on the "Monitoring source" link for "NCAA Men's Basketball (Division I)" and it popped right up... Now if the parser is still right... ;-)

[07:11:07]

iamlindoro_:

Worth a shot

[07:11:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: Yeah, maybe for d0netsFN and Lexridge... I don't really watch sports much at all... ;-)

[07:12:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: I just remembered reading something about a hack/patch that did that automatically... ;-) ('guess my brain isn't as gone as I thought it was!) ;-)

[07:12:50]

iamlindoro_:

Could/should be made into part of the backend, ie "enable sports monitoring"

[07:12:59]

iamlindoro_:

versus some PHP script

[07:13:40]

iamlindoro_:

And any program marked as type "sports" should be monitored 5 minutes before the end of the event, and if it's still in progress, extend by 5 minutes, etc., until the score is "final"

[07:13:49]

RyeBrye:

"MythMusic requires CDDA Paranoia." <-- AFAIK I have ll the *paranoia and *paranoia-dev instaled

[07:14:43]

RyeBrye:

ah – nm... apt-get install libcdparanoia0-dev

[07:16:48]

hadees:

iamlindoro_, thats a really ingenious of figure out if a game is over

[07:18:31]

hadees:

it would also be nice if it shifted other programs based on when the game ended although its hard to know when to stop

[07:20:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

Gee, RyeBrye , why didn't you chime in there — you're the last one that edited that page... ;-)

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[07:20:49]

RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A: which page?

[07:21:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: Myth Recording Extender – wiki page... ;-)

[07:21:21]

RyeBrye:

Oh

[07:21:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

hehe ;-)

[07:21:35]

RyeBrye:

Last I tried – MRE was broken

[07:22:00]

RyeBrye:

The author of it doesn't have a working myth setup, and his response when I emaild him was "I'm not surprised it's broken. If you want I can help you try to fix it, but I'm busy right now"

[07:22:20]

RyeBrye:

For me, the solution of buying a ton of tuners and extending my recordings out about an hour or so has been acceptable but not optimal

[07:22:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: yeah, probably due to changes of espn's 'scoreboard' pages...

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[07:23:12]

RyeBrye:

It was actually a change in myth protocol that broke it from even working- but once it was talking to myth the change in the espn page would be likely

[07:23:17]

RyeBrye:

(to have broken it)

[07:24:04]

RyeBrye:

I asked the devs if itw oudl be possible to get something like that into the backend – and the answer was kind of a grumble about getting a data source for it that wasn't stealing

[07:24:12]

Chicago:

Hi, I just bought an hvr-1600 tuner and am trying to get it to work with Myth. On gentoo, I have tested using linux kernel 2.6.27 and 2.6.28 with the v4l-dvb-hg repo for the cx18 driver...

[07:24:56]

Chicago:

I don't think I have installed everything properly though, because I don't have the v4l2-ctl app nor do I have a cx18-ctl app.

[07:25:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

Looks like the scoreboard pages are still there – depending on what the script looks for on the page, and how it matches it up to the myth recording. ^ yeah, that's why I suspect it wasn't officially implemented, and maintaining it might be a pain.

[07:25:19]

Chicago:

Anybody able to help me install this Hauppauge HVR-1600 properly?

[07:25:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

Chicago: There might be someone here, but you might also have better luck on #linuxtv

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[07:26:16]

Chicago:

J-e-f-f-A: Right, thanks. I am idling there too.

[07:27:20]

RyeBrye:

what is the grabber that myth uses for video stuff now?

[07:27:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

Chicago: do you see the devices, analog in /dev/video# and digital in /dev/dvb/adapter# ?

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Chicago:

J-e-f-f-A: Yes and I can tune them into a channel in Myth and record video. The recordings from the DVB are broken. (might be because I have EIT enabled) and the analog encodings look really bad. I also have a pvr500 on another machine which seems to be running almost flawlessly, so I am using it as my comparison to the analog recordings from the hvr-1600

[07:29:19]

RyeBrye:

nm. themoviedb.org

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J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: ^^ Yeah, I was thinking "tmdb.org"... but was searching lists to be sure... I guess I was wrong... ;-)

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[07:30:44]

RyeBrye:

so does the "manually enter video ID" still work? and is the video ID the part at the end of the URL?

[07:30:59]

RyeBrye:

http://themoviedb.org/movie/585 i.e. for Monsters Inc,is the Video Unique ID 585?

[07:31:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: tbqh, I don't know... haven't played with that yet... ^^ but that's probably true.

[07:31:43]

RyeBrye:

doeesn't seem to work :( and Monsters Inc gives it an error on the return

[07:31:53]

Chicago:

I also don't know which is the proper stream type to choose from Recording Profiles -> Live TV : MPEG-2 TS, MPEG-1 VCD, PES AV, PES V, PES A, DVD, DVD-Special 1, DVD-Special 2 or MPEG-2 PS....

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[07:33:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

Chicago: It would be MPEG-2 TS – and for digital, you can't change the format, it's a raw dump of the stream. [unless perhaps myth is converting it to a MPEG-2 PS... not sure atm]

[07:34:11]

** J-e-f-f-A plays a digital recording with mplayer to what it identifies the file format as... **

[07:34:32]

Chicago:

J-e-f-f-A: Stream type choice is being specified for the MPEG2 Encoder only /dev/v4l/video0...

[07:35:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

Chicago: Ok, for analog, it's MPEG-2 PS

[07:35:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

(from a hauppauge hardware encoder anyways — and IIRC the 1600 has a hardware mpeg2 encoder like the 500)

[07:36:43]

Chicago:

So, how come my picture looks like I have an i2c bus problem... The tuner is able to set the channel, but it seems the chips that help encode the signal aren't working...

[07:37:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

Chicago: Humm... if googling doesn't turn up any leads, you'll probably have to wait for help in #linuxtv then... I've been forturnate enough to have "Plug & Play" experiences with my hardware so far...

[07:38:07]

Chicago:

/var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log is full of NVP prebuffering pauses.

[07:38:36]

Chicago:

/var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log is full of "Error: offset>181, pes length & current can not be queried"

[07:39:24]

Chicago:

And the MPEG stream I am decoding in LiveTV seems to be corrupt. I have MPEG artifacts....

[07:40:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

Chicago: ^^ yeah, I'm afraid I won't be much help there — seems like a driver issue or the tuner wasn't automatically identified properly or something... Best to wait for an answer in #linuxtv I think...

[07:41:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

Chicago: I'm running a PVR-500 and PVR-250, but S-video inputs only from Dish Network receivers. I've never used the analog tuners on them.

[07:41:50]

Chicago:

J-e-f-f-A: I like the PVR-500. Too bad they're discontinued, or I would buy more of them.

[07:42:06]

Chicago:

These HVR-1600s are PCI 2.3 compliant and I had to buy a new mobo for it.

[07:43:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

Chicago: I had bought an 1800, but returned it after learning that the analog side didn't work in Linux [yet?]... I can't remember if that was before or after I bought my HDHomeRun... ;-)

[07:43:27]

Chicago:

I got one of those HDHomeRuns too... :)

[07:43:42]

RyeBrye:

HDHR's are nice

[07:43:47]

Chicago:

That's a total of 6 tuners. :) Only 2 of them work nearly flawlessly though (the PVR-500).

[07:43:51]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: the 1800 works fine in Linux

[07:44:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: The analog side of it? When I bought mine, the digital side did, but not the analog side... (~5 or 6 months ago)

[07:45:17]

wagnerrp:

AFAIK, the analog side has worked for some time

[07:45:27]

wagnerrp:

but since its not an IVTV card, it doesnt work in mythtv

[07:46:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Ok, that's it... ^^^ Yeah, that's why I returned it without opening it... I only wanted to use it with Mythtv... ;-) (what else is a tuner good for in Linux???? ;-) )

[07:47:02]

wagnerrp:

well if you really wanted to, you could rig VLC and an external channel changer script to work with the IPTV capture system

[07:48:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: yikes! Sounds a bit extreme!!!!

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: I might have been able to work on adding myth support for the Analog side of the 1800 if my C++ skills were about 20x better than they are currently... Most of my programming in the last 15 years has been in TACL on Tandem mainframes (the 'shell' scripting language on a Tandem) – just a little C mixed in here and there... so I'm pretty rusty...

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[08:01:37]

kaje:

Does anyone know of a way to convert the data Dish Network stores on its hard disk from a DVR'd movie to an mpeg4? I think it is a TSP file...

[08:02:18]

wagnerrp:

those files are often encrypted for the purpose of preventing such actions

[08:02:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

kaje: Look into the 'dishrip' group on yahoo... I used to rip recordings off of my DishPlayer 7200 unit, mpeg2 – many of the newer ones you can't as they're encrypted...

[08:03:13]

kaje:

haha, thanks for the help in both channels =) I'll look into that

[08:03:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

kaje: and if it's mpeg4, I'd be wililng to be it's encrypted... ('cause that's really new stuff...)

[08:04:02]

justinh:

oh dear. people are still shooting their mouths off about using flash for mythtv's ui. Eejits

[08:04:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

kaje: Yeah, we'll tolerate a little OT stuff here, but not in the dev channel...

[08:04:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Yeah, that's quite a read, eh? Especially when he starts to tear up iamlindoro_'s hard work... ugh...

[08:04:46]

kaje:

I understand, I appreciate the help =)

[08:05:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

kaje: np. ;-)

[08:05:21]

kaje:

Yeah, it is a new generation of PVR's but I want view the video on my mythtv boxes

[08:06:30]

justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: I was just reading some scrollback

[08:06:56]

justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: it's the curse of open source

[08:06:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Yeah, that guy seemed a little promising at first, but then it started to get really deep...

[08:07:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: (as in needing to put boots on...)

[08:07:23]

justinh:

apt IRC nick though, I thought ;)

[08:07:47]

wagnerrp:

i seem to have missed that, what was the name?

[08:07:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Yeah, I hadn't realized that until now... ;-) "prometh"

[08:08:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: 22:06 in the dev channel. ;-)

[08:08:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: (er that's my time – EST at least...)

[08:08:51]

justinh:

bah I can't read through that. it's not logged pubically anymore

[08:09:01]

dustybin:

justinh: did you ever get DNS setup on your LAN?

[08:09:03]

justinh:

probably best I don't since I'm in a good mood

[08:09:10]

jduggan:

yowzers, 8am already.. must be near bed time

[08:09:15]

wagnerrp:

ah, dev channel, i wasnt in there

[08:09:30]

justinh:

dustybin: not for local machine naming, no. too much of a PITA

[08:09:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: hehe... I could pastebin it... it didn't roll out of my buffer yet...

[08:10:08]

justinh:

I might start loitering in #mythtv again at some point. not today though

[08:10:49]

dustybin:

justinh: ive written this howto, i just tested it from scratch on a freshly installed vmware test machine, it works perfectly. http://worldbeyond.net/archives/343

[08:10:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

http://pastebin.ca/1305800

[08:11:18]

justinh:

seems to me that most people I've encountered with 'pro' in their nick are devoid of clue. why is that?

[08:11:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: even more 'entertaining' when you read it from the beginning...

[08:12:43]

jduggan:

dustybin: your forwarders {}, you have recursion going on, youre better off going straight to your ISP's nameservers ;)

[08:12:53]

** justinh stops reading at 'you need my help, but you'll have to rewrite everything' **

[08:12:56]

jduggan:

double lookup, slower queries ;)

[08:13:43]

dustybin:

jduggan: eeek, how do i point that configuration to my gateway / isp namer servers ?

[08:14:11]

jduggan:

dustybin: change the IP in forwarders, to that of your ISP's nameservers

[08:14:37]

jduggan:

otherwise you're looking up to use your gateway... it asks your gateway for DNS, which in turn asks your ISP.. slowing things down

[08:14:41]

dustybin:

oh ok, at the moment it just routes to my firewall then goes to my ISP name server

[08:14:53]

dustybin:

jduggan: would that really make any difference?

[08:15:06]

jduggan:

well it wont help with dns lookups

[08:15:09]

jduggan:

;P

[08:15:15]

dustybin:

aye ok, ill change it, thanks :D

[08:15:43]

jduggan:

if your ISP's nameservers are as slow as virgins.. best help things along a lil :P

[08:15:57]

** justinh uses dnsmasq **

[08:16:25]

jduggan:

anyway

[08:16:28]

jduggan:

nearly time for bed

[08:16:39]

jduggan:

been up all night doing scheduled maintenance :(

[08:16:59]

jduggan:

had to take down our master mailcluster.. let's just say things have been bumpy ;)

[08:17:12]

justinh:

since I wasn't able to wrap my head around the dns stuff on ubunuts, as in serving it, I just got lazy & made a script for my remote logins instead :)

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dustybin:

jduggan: I changed it with 2x possible name server IPs, i better test if it will work like that

[08:21:11]

justinh:

dustybin: it should

[08:21:44]

dustybin:

aye it does just tested :D

[08:22:00]

jduggan:

dustybin: might be worth noting which version of debian your tutorial applies to.. with the impending release of lenny, there's nothing worse than reading a tutorial for an old distro and finding thigns just dont work :P

[08:22:37]

dustybin:

jduggan: i did think that, but surely bind doesnt change that much? im using debian lenny for everything

[08:22:56]

dustybin:

i guess it wont hurt

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justinh:

LinkedIn.. even more annoying than Facebewk

[08:30:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: hehe... ;-) I dunno, I think it's less annoying than the others... seems to be more professional oriented.

[08:41:21]

justinh:

I grant you at least the mythtv group on linkedin doesn't look like a frickin support forum

[08:41:53]

justinh:

I signed up at linkedin, then somebody where I work found me & kept pestering me to join the $employer network

[08:42:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Yeah, I just ignored the other requests... ;-)

[08:46:56]

justinh:

and why won't hotmail let you put messages from 'the MSN team' in the junk filter? ;)

[08:47:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: hehe... ;-)

[08:48:05]

justinh:

ho ho ho. Prince William is a d*ckhead racist just like his grandad. Yay

[08:48:21]

justinh:

oops. Harry. Same diff

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justinh:

oooh. Just found one of the reasons I was keen for image masking to come to mythui. Video cover image errr.. covers :)

[08:54:07]

justinh:

time for breakfast

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J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: I just submitted a "biggclock_v2.patch" file that moves the am/pm indicator to the 2nd line. ;-)

[08:56:18]

RyeBrye:

cool

[08:56:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: (basically what you did by manually editing my patch already)

[08:58:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: I'd like to enhance the LCD screens more, perhaps even adding 'themes' for them, or some sort of 'screen editor'... I've done quite a bit with LCDs on microcontrollers the last few years, it's just 'lcdproc' I need to get used to now... ;-)

[08:58:52]

RyeBrye:

cool

[08:58:58]

RyeBrye:

yes, it can definitely be improved

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J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: Umm... I thought I attached it... strange, it doesn't show up in the ticket on my M$ peecee... /me investigates...

[09:06:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: nvm... shows on my trunk box... must be a cache thing on M$...

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: not sure how Brad's ML posting could be taken. "Wow, great work", he says.. "Now I'm gonna do my own theme". Lol

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Neeesat2:

Can someone help on weather plugin?

[10:49:53]

justinh:

you know the drill. just ask a question

[10:51:17]

Neeesat2:

I cant get weather for my city

[10:51:34]

justinh:

that isn't a question

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dustybin:

Neeesat2: there is no such word as 'cant'

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justinh:

and you don't say which city

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Neeesat2:

Nicosia Cyprus

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justinh:

that's probably because there's no script made for greek weather websites yet

[10:52:36]

justinh:

oops. your country. ish

[10:53:01]

justinh:

anyway, everywhere except the US/Canada needs a script to use a website to get its weather data from

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poodyp:

dustybin: sure there is, cant: to set at an angle

[10:53:11]

Neeesat2:

I can get weather manually from http://www.weather.com/maps/

[10:53:30]

justinh:

Neeesat2: myth can't use weather.com anymore

[10:53:47]

justinh:

scraping their site violates their terms of usage

[10:54:00]

Neeesat2:

thats bad

[10:54:09]

justinh:

other media centre software doesn't mind who they piss off, but mythtv does :)

[10:56:16]

justinh:

it's possible you can write a script to grab the data you need & get mythweather to use it. all you need is some know-how

[10:56:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

I sent an email to noaa.gov inquiring if I could use their weather data, but never got a response... DOH!

[10:57:17]

justinh:

I thought their data was public domain anyway

[10:58:18]

justinh:

with an RSS news module in mythtv, viewable on menu screens mythweather would be pretty much obsolete anyway. RSS weather feeds are available in some parts of the world

[10:58:37]

judazz:

Hi, I'm running 0.21-fixes, and have set the option "Enable CD writing" in "Music Setting"/"General". But is there really such a feature?

[10:59:04]

justinh:

judazz: AFAIK you can't write music CDs with mythmusic

[10:59:36]

judazz:

justinh, ok, thanks

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justinh:

who still needs to write audio CDs? :-O

[11:00:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Yeah, I just rip them to myth... ;-)

[11:00:33]

judazz:

hehe, just in case my mother in law came by and liked some of my music...

[11:00:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

judazz: she doesn't have an eyepod?

[11:01:01]

judazz:

far from it!

[11:01:21]

judazz:

just bought a CD player a year ago

[11:01:48]

judazz:

pretty improbable anyway

[11:02:07]

justinh:

besides, using a remote control to set up a CD burn... seems like too much hard work to my way of thinking

[11:02:36]

judazz:

but the option "Enable CD writing" made me curious

[11:03:03]

judazz:

thought it would be something like "burn current playlist to CD"

[11:03:32]

judazz:

...and and then a warning about the playlist won't fit etc etc

[11:03:41]

judazz:

not really useful, I agree

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grokky:

I know VDPAU is still very alpha, but are any aussies here playing with VDPAU and notiicing inconsistent performance between channels? Ie, choppy playback on ch 9HD and 10HD but 7HD is fine?

[12:43:38]

rooaus:

grokky: I haven't tried it yet but I think a couple of of folks have posted in threads on the mailing lists and are aussies.

[12:44:22]

rooaus:

not sure if they are seeing what you described though

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grokky:

rooaus: its *very* close to working perfectly IMHO. It might be down to my 8400GS not having enough grunt to deinterlace 1080i properly.

[12:53:14]

rooaus:

that is good to hear, hopefully when the api stabilises and myths code matures it might be enough.

[12:54:03]

grokky:

it's not so much choppy, as that surreal feeling you get when the motion is not quite smooth.

[12:55:11]

grokky:

I couldn't watch the 20/20 game tonight using it :(

[12:55:32]

rooaus:

bummer, was a good win though :)

[12:55:55]

grokky:

Yah! Nice to see some competition again too.

[12:56:09]

grokky:

David Warner was pretty impressive!

[12:57:03]

rooaus:

That six from Drumminy(?) was impressive as well, missed the Aus innings though.

[12:58:05]

grokky:

Warner, never played a first class match in his life, let alone for oz, clocks 89 odd off half that many balls, with about 6 6's in there. A joy to watch.

[12:58:12]

grokky:

Druminy was good too though.

[12:58:58]

rooaus:

Are you using a 50Hz or 60Hz vrefresh? Do you think VDPAU will make much difference with the jitter you get with 25Hz material and a 60Hz refresh?

[13:00:41]

grokky:

I'm using a 46" sony bravia LCD, which seems to happily accept a 50Hz 1080p mode, so no jitter.

[13:01:02]

grokky:

But then, I managed to eliminate jitter on my old CRT despite nvidia TV-OUT insisting on 60Hz.

[13:02:36]

rooaus:

Cool, yeah I ended up using HDMI so I could get 50Hz on a bravia as well, would like a 1:1 mapping though. I think newer models may be better now.

[13:03:28]

grokky:

I just bought a KDL46W4500, after 12 months of umming and ahhing (was originally going to get an X series about 12 months ago).

[13:03:47]

grokky:

does full pixel fine (so did the X too, as we have a few at work).

[13:05:39]

grokky:

rooaus: are you using DVB? and HD? If so, what deints do you find work best? I find the key is picking the best de-int for the job, especially for SD versus HD.

[13:06:10]

grokky:

I still can't figure out why there seems to be a difference (other than bitrate) between 7, 9 and 10 on HD.

[13:06:18]

grokky:

on 1080i

[13:07:40]

rooaus:

not using HD here, got an AGP board with an AMD64 3000 have been going to build something soon though

[13:09:00]

grokky:

With they way VDPAU is shaping up, I'd wait. It might be possible to have a nice little tiny atom system with a decent 9 series nvidia card, small and energy efficicent and HD capable to boot!

[13:11:24]

grokky:

I don't even know why I'm thinking that. I've spent so much time making this x2 4600 system silent I don't really need to go to a mini/low pwer solution.

[13:11:39]

laga:

because you're a geek.

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grokky:

oh yes.

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rooaus:

exactly, I am watching very closely. I wonder if asus will release an eebox with nvidia graphics? The small form factor and vesa mount to attach to the back of tv would be cool.

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justinh:

a tv with linux pc hardware built in would be cooler :P

[13:20:57]

grokky:

Yeah, but it'd probably be cripped in some way.

[13:21:10]

grokky:

crippled.

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justinh:

all PCs are crippled. they need to run apps to do stuff :)

[13:23:01]

grokky:

So true. Let's get rid of 'em all I say. Sometimes I feel life without computers would be *so* much more pleasant!

[13:23:38]

justinh:

ooo. is this the first theme breakage filtering through to the wild? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/365496

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grokky:

I'm amazed SVN works as well as it does, considering the changes going on at the moment.

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Toast:

Is there a keyboard short to store a recording that you're watching live?

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laga:

"R" i think. check keys.txt

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Toast:

Thanks.

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DarkDrgn2k:

Ok im trying to make the smallest footprint of mythtv i can make...

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DarkDrgn2k:

whats the best approach? slackware?

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jamesd:

xbox? since it has no OS and no harddisk... and may allready be connected to the TV.

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cesman:

DarkDrgn2k: if you are looking to customize something, I'd suggest Debian or Arch Linux.

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mythrookie:

very basic question iam sorry upfront

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mythrookie:

does HDMI transport sound?

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afm:

according to the doc "libraw1394 (version must be <=1.2.1, 1.3.0 is BROKEN!) " is 1.3.0 the same as 1.3.0–4?

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afm:

is it a general trunk thing?

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cesman:

yes, 1.3.0–4 is the same as 1.3.0

[16:04:12]

directhex:

1.3.0–4 is the 4th debian package release of 1.3.0

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afm:

still broke then...bummer

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dustybin:

i always thought archlinux was another one of them dodgy distros what are based on something else, how wrong could i be, archlinux isnt based on anything else and it used a superb package management system called 'pacman'. it is a cutting edge type distro, i wouldnt personally use it for servers, but for desktop use it sounds great

[16:14:34]

dustybin:

*uses

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doc__:

hi there

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justinh:

dustybin: you're entitled to your own opinion, of course

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justinh:

mythrookie: yes hdmi can transfer audio

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wagnerrp:

mythrookie: check out the wiki page on hdmi, it explains everything you need to know

[16:48:32]

wagnerrp:

wikipedi

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wagnerrp:

a

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wagnerrp:

now whether you can actually get audio over hdmi on linux, seems likes its only capable on ATI parts, so you have to deal with ATI drivers

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squish102:

and that sucks

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justinh:

I thought nvidia had it worky too

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squish102:

even though i got it working, i'm not sure there is much benefit

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wagnerrp:

squish102: if its designed properly, there is considerably benefit

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wagnerrp:

spdif is either 2-channel, or heavily compressed

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wagnerrp:

hdmi supports full multichannel lpcm

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wagnerrp:

of course you have to have some pricey stereo equipment to hear the difference

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justinh:

and young untainted ears

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justinh:

which haven't been to many rock gigs or nightclubs :)

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justinh:

so if you've led a sheltered, un-fun life, benefit from 192khz audio

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wagnerrp:

i dont know how anyone can benefit from 192khz audio

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wagnerrp:

~40khz sampling should be enough for even the youngest ears

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wagnerrp:

im sure 96khz is enough headroom to clear out any audible harmonics

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wagnerrp:

i can understand those frequencies being used for recording, so you can adjust the tempo or resample to your hearts content

[17:03:04]

wagnerrp:

but at least for playback, i dont see the point

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tells1977:

is mc2xml currently working for anyone, mine recently stopped working with the following error: Error ....... : TCP 124362R 124356H. none of my searches are finding this error online.

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tank-man:

dustybin, isnt archlinux based on slackware?

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dustybin:

nope

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GreyFoxx:

I thought it was as well

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yalu:

hi! quick question on mythvideo and remotes. as I understand it, you need to configure mplayer separately from mythtv with lirc. But, won't your key presses influence both mythtv and mplayer (if you have the a button with a function in both mythtv and mplayer)?

[17:30:14]

whoDat:

anyone know what this BUG: soft lockup error is about? http://imagebin.ca/view/Ly3zAe.html

[17:30:38]

wagnerrp:

yalu: mythtv knows that it know longer has focus, and stops accepting IR commands

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yalu:

ok thanks

[17:31:01]

wagnerrp:

either that, or mythvideo intentionally blocks them when you start an external process

[17:31:10]

wagnerrp:

either way, its not an issue

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yalu:

perfect ...

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GreyFoxx:

yalu: Or just use the internal video player and not have to worry about it :)

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tank-man:

mythtv not accepting ir commands when not in focus is a feature? i have that sometimes happen to me (dual screen setup) and i consider it a bug

[17:33:43]

tank-man:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

myth does not need focus to recieve IR

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GreyFoxx:

It really depends on how yuour lirc isconfigured

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GreyFoxx:

If it's faking keystrokes then myth needs focus

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GreyFoxx:

if it's using myth's native lirc support, myth wont need focus

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iamlindoro_:

" It would be nice if we could merge the UI with Myth...."

[17:36:12]

iamlindoro_:

Aside from the general stupidity of that statement, why is "we" often actually taken to mean "you do it for me?"

[17:36:24]

GreyFoxx:

but in the case of external players (anything launched by the myth_system() call) it disables joystick and lirc until the app returns

[17:36:34]

GreyFoxx:

so as not to conflict with other players or games nd such

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tells1977:

I have noticed when playing ISO DVD files that the video does not always work. I will have audio, but no video. If I quit the file and back and watch a recording, it gets reset and then I can go back to the ISO file and watch it. Is this a common problem?

[17:37:05]

yalu:

GreyFoxx: so I can just use "Internal" as the standard video playing program?

[17:37:20]

GreyFoxx:

yalu: yup

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wagnerrp:

yalu: thats actually the default setting

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sphery:

tank-man: MythTV always accepts IR commands--regardless of focus (as LIRC knows /nothing/ about focus). The lirc daemon sends out a message to /all/ listeners that says what key was pressed. When MythTV starts (most) external processes (including external MythVideo players) it stops reacting to LIRC events until the process exits.

[17:37:37]

GreyFoxx:

Just set it to "Internal" and you shold be good to go

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yalu:

uhh, I never changed it, and my setup only uses internal for dvd's

[17:37:56]

iamlindoro_:

This "OCG Technical Support" guy is getting on my nerves

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sphery:

tank-man: the focus this is not Myth's not reacting to the LIRC event--it's Qt's not allowing Myth to do anything about it

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sphery:

s/this/thing/

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: which thread?

[17:38:51]

iamlindoro_:

sphery, Between the "Alternatives to MythVodka" and "MythMusic UI" threads

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sphery:

I've been wondering what OCG is... Wasn't that one of the guys who's working for a company selling Myth boxes overseas?

[17:39:06]

sphery:

Oh, I completely skipped the MythVodka thread.

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iamlindoro_:

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iamlindoro_:

"I have to admit, XBMC looks slick. It would be nice if we could merge the UI with Myth...."

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sphery:

I saw someone asking if anyone's working on MM... Ignored that, too.

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yalu:

uber-cool. works as desired

[17:39:53]

sphery:

Oh, wait... What a great idea. We could use XBMC and scrap mythfrontend

[17:40:13]

iamlindoro_:

sphery, And that was *after* a fairly extensive response on my part

[17:40:14]

GreyFoxx:

yalu: And you keep all the features, keys and OSD :)

[17:40:22]

sphery:

I'll have to read it

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yalu:

oh no, yet another open source media center

[17:41:44]

yalu:

:)

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: I'm guessing your response about XBMC was in the MythVodka thread?

[17:42:24]

iamlindoro_:

yep

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: wow... I have no clue why he'd still think XBMC is the way to go after your response.

[17:45:56]

iamlindoro_:

sphery, Ah well, I suppose the same people who ignore all warnings about trunk and rudely tromp around asking for support with it are the same people who aren't patient enough to wait for .22 for a new UI

[17:46:34]

sphery:

yeah

[17:47:07]

sphery:

I guess it makes sense... We could quickly merge XBMC with mythfrontend in -fixes and I'm sure that would be ready /long/ before 0.22. Oh, wait...

[17:47:36]

iamlindoro_:

Watch the sarcasm, it tends to fly over the heads of many here ;)

[17:48:26]

sphery:

lol

[17:48:57]

iamlindoro_:

You were moments away from a "Yeah, definitely!"

[17:49:11]

sphery:

I just don't get why everyone tells me I can't run trunk. After all, I'm a power user--they gave me special privileges on my Windows system at work...

[17:49:14]

iamlindoro_:

I didn't even want to get into the philosophical differences between the two projects in that thread

[17:49:20]

sphery:

(Oops... I'm supposed to stop the sarcasm.)

[17:49:27]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: personally I think it'd be altogether better to redo mythfrontend entirely. In flash, and simply overlay a filename on top of video. My puny brain can't handle more than that

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iamlindoro_:

ie XMBC = "Steal/scrape/torrent all you like!" and Myth = "do things on the up and up even if that means losing access to some studd"

[17:49:49]

iamlindoro_:

justinh, hahaha

[17:49:52]

iamlindoro_:

er stuff

[17:50:05]

sphery:

justinh: I'd pay for that--unlike some of those other themes that have too much junk in them.

[17:50:24]

iamlindoro_:

Just as long as there's a flaming video background, that is

[17:50:32]

** justinh bashes out filenamedisplay-wide **

[17:50:36]

justinh:

done!

[17:51:02]

sphery:

(BTW, I'm still doing the sarcasm thing--I completely disagree with the Flash/overly-simplistic UI thing)

[17:51:31]

iamlindoro_:

If XBMC teaches one ANYTHING, in fact, it's that the average joe wants MOAR METADATAZ

[17:51:59]

justinh:

*everybody I think, not just the average Joe

[17:52:32]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: re the steal/scrape/torrent thing... Wasn't XBMC illegally-created, anyway, as it used a stolen SDK or something for the XBox stuff?

[17:52:41]

justinh:

sphery: yes, entirely

[17:52:43]

sphery:

if so, I see why they don't care about stealing the rest

[17:52:44]

iamlindoro_:

I was hoping for a moment that he might have something useful to contribute in terms of how to script the animation, but ugh, that took a turn for the worse

[17:53:38]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: the one saving grace is that 99% of those who volunteer help get bored 10 seconds later and never do anything (/get in the way :)

[17:53:59]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: the code to do much of it (movement & stuff) is already there.. more or less (prolly more) just needs xml hooks. Dunno anything about paths and/or cascading stuff though – which by far & away offers the most 'bling'

[17:54:02]

iamlindoro_:

There's also their extreme tendency towards hacking together whatever it is they want

[17:54:47]

iamlindoro_:

I'd rather Myth do it right 75% as fast than wrong, right quick

[17:54:50]

justinh:

haven't seen the 'c' word used in a while, which is nice

[17:55:00]

iamlindoro_:

Not unlike building a skyscraper

[17:55:04]

sphery:

BTW, for anyone reading, I'm not saying that people helping with Myth are getting in the way--just saying that helping has to be largely self-driven/self-taught work, rather than requiring hand-holding from one of the very few devs (all of whom are way too busy with their own stuff).

[17:55:12]

iamlindoro_:

who wants to live in the tallest building when you filled the foundation with marshmallows?

[17:55:27]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: the sort of people who write python stuff?

[17:55:44]

justinh:

?

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iamlindoro_:

justinh, so it seems. We'll put up a nice plaque when it all collapses on them.

[17:55:57]

sphery:

c word?

[17:55:59]

sphery:

C++?

[17:56:09]

justinh:

sphery: rhymes with NUTTER

[17:56:28]

sphery:

hmmm... I'm way too slow.

[17:56:34]

justinh:

clutter

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tanderson:

sphery: heya

[17:56:44]

sphery:

tanderson: hey

[17:56:48]

** justinh says a dozen hail-Marys **

[17:57:07]

tanderson:

sphery: My dad pretty much figured out the signal issue

[17:57:31]

sphery:

tanderson: I almost told you the other day that I saw in a changelog that there were changes to the signal strength reporting code in the cx88-dvb module, but I couldn't remember which one (think it was around 2.6.18)

[17:57:32]

tanderson:

sphery: remember I told you that we had identical tuners running different kernels

[17:57:37]

sphery:

yeah

[17:57:57]

justinh:

aaanyway.. I'm thinking about having another crack at the buttonlist centring/spacing stuff. any objections?

[17:58:09]

iamlindoro_:

No objections at all, I'd love that

[17:58:09]

tanderson:

well, what I didn't tell you because I thought it didn't matter...the hardware was not identical

[17:58:09]

sphery:

justinh: oh... thanks for the hand-holding.

[17:58:18]

justinh:

oops. wrong channel

[17:58:45]

sphery:

tanderson: So it was the hardware causing the issue?

[17:58:48]

sphery:

What specifically?

[17:58:57]

tanderson:

turns out the signal strength reporter I was using bases it's main loop around clock cycles

[17:59:13]

tanderson:

and since the hardware was about 700Mhz faster.... ;-)

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[17:59:36]

sphery:

heh

[17:59:46]

sphery:

Guess that means my issue is still unsolved...

[17:59:49]

tanderson:

yeah

[18:00:03]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: not promising I'll actually achieve the desired result but I had a feeling I was close last time

[18:00:04]

tanderson:

what signal strength reporter were you using?

[18:00:09]

sphery:

Maybe I should go out to the shop and build a real mount for my antenna and try harder to aim/align it.

[18:00:22]

sphery:

I was just going by the signal strengths reported by Myth

[18:00:42]

tanderson:

ah, I didn't have myth installed at that point

[18:01:08]

iamlindoro_:

justinh, Taking any actual step towards a working solution is more than more people *cough* "contribute"

[18:01:27]

justinh:

qute

[18:01:29]

justinh:

quite

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[18:01:51]

iamlindoro_:

just like "if only *WE* could merge the UIs..."

[18:02:04]

iamlindoro_:

I desperately want to write back and ask which part of it he'll be doing

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[18:02:32]

iamlindoro_:

*I* get an icky feeling using the "we" about myth, and I've actually *done things*

[18:02:44]

sphery:

justinh: do we really need fancy centering/spacing stuff for buttonlists if we're just putting a list of titles on screen?

[18:02:53]

sphery:

remember the whole simplify-the-UI push?

[18:03:19]

iamlindoro_:

I was tempted to mock up his mockups in actual MythUI but then I realized I didn't care

[18:03:20]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: I so wish you had asked that.

[18:03:55]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: yeah, but without the video animation, he wouldn't have appreciated the rest

[18:04:04]

sphery:

video/animation

[18:04:25]

iamlindoro_:

So I've written every MythUI-completed screen for my theme, *except* the popups, and I cannot find a single good idea for them within me

[18:04:31]

justinh:

anyway isn't it a short hop to having video backgrounds once the opengl renderer is more mature?

[18:04:44]

iamlindoro_:

justinh, I think that's accurate

[18:04:47]

wagnerrp:

i like the guy running trunk, trying to compile mythvodka, not understanding what his 'lack of qt3' error means

[18:05:16]

sphery:

as iamlindoro_ said, a shorter hop than building a complete frontend replacement in Flash (completely discounting the need for a well--performing frontend replacement)

[18:06:03]

iamlindoro_:

not to mention the GL (and likely VDPAU) renderers probably allow for alpha on a video surface too, so you could do *exactly* what he was wanting

[18:06:09]

sphery:

wagnerrp: wow... You just convinced me how great my "ignore all threads complaining about <whatever> not working in trunk" plan is working.

[18:06:22]

iamlindoro_:

(a 60% alpha or so video background over a text/imagetype)

[18:06:43]

wagnerrp:

sphery: actually, this was just the generic mythvodka thread

[18:07:38]

sphery:

yeah, I skipped that, too--mainly because I haven't used it.

[18:08:00]

tanderson:

sphery: heh, just read your message. If it was in 2.6.18 that's pretty close to when signal "dropped"

[18:08:07]

sphery:

heh

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sphery:

in theory it shouldn't have changed--they just switched from using code that was provided in the module to using more generic code that was available to all kernel modules.

[18:09:39]

sphery:

though I don't think the code in the module was copy/paste reuse, so it (or the generic code, I suppose) may have had bugs

[18:12:37]

tanderson:

hmm.

[18:13:10]

tanderson:

I DO remember that when I upgraded 2.6.17 to 2.6.18 on the same hardware, the signal dropped.

[18:13:29]

tanderson:

If there is a problem, that might be a likely place

[18:13:42]

tanderson:

unfortunately, 2.6.18 doesn't compile anymore for whatever reason

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, I reached the end of my patience with the "Something's wrong with the Watch Recordings Screen in trunk!" thread

[18:22:31]

phunyguy:

hello! I have been in here before about this issue, but it is so frustrating because it is unresolved. While viewing HIgh Def TV through my Dvico Fusion card, and go to the program guide, it is SOOOO SLOW. There is like a 30 second lag time between scrolling from one channel to the next.

[18:23:09]

phunyguy:

like I will hit the down arrow 3 times, then wait 30 seconds, and then the selector moves down 3 times

[18:23:25]

phunyguy:

yet it looks like there isn't much CPU being used.

[18:23:49]

phunyguy:

maybe 25% of one core at most.

[18:24:31]

phunyguy:

any ideas?

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GlemSom:

I've setup a couble of schedulars on a channel... Though – the channel name has been changed – so it seems I need to reload my schedular settings... How do I tricker that?

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justinh:

GlemSom: schedules on a per-channel rule use the chanid from the database AFAIK so it prolly doesn't matter a) what number it is or b) what its name is

[18:36:59]

vizo:

Do I have to a have a sound card in a mythtv backend only server?

[18:37:26]

wagnerrp:

do you have a framegrabber with loopback audio?

[18:37:29]

iamlindoro_:

vizo, no

[18:37:33]

iamlindoro_:

ah, yes, except for that

[18:37:58]

justinh:

you also need X libs installed on it :)

[18:38:08]

wagnerrp:

if your tuner cards do not need a sound card for audio capture, you do not need a sound card on a dedicated backend

[18:38:59]

vizo:

I am using pcHDTV HD-5500

[18:39:25]

tanderson:

vizo: then no, as I have that card

[18:39:37]

justinh:

vizo: so long as you're using it for digital only, then no you won't need a soundcard

[18:40:36]

GlemSom:

justinh, Well, I had to remove the schedulers – and do them again since the channel name change... I should point out I used mythtv-setup to update my channels – so I'm not exactly sure what else could be changed... By looking in MythTV the scheduler before and after looks EXACTLY the same...

[18:41:01]

justinh:

GlemSom: the chanids might've changed too

[18:41:26]

justinh:

the channel name is not used in the 'record' table, nor is the callsign, nor the channum

[18:41:40]

GlemSom:

justinh, Yes, they might... I'm not sure about that... And I'm guessing the seriesid could be changed aswell?

[18:41:55]

justinh:

maybe.. who knows

[18:42:07]

justinh:

anyway, you messed with the channels, so stuff got broked :P

[18:43:16]

GlemSom:

Still, is there a way to force a "reload" of "upcoming recordings"?

[18:46:50]

vizo:

thanks guys

[18:46:51]

justinh:

mythbackend --resched

[18:47:20]

sphery:

GlemSom: the "this channel" rules use channel callsign

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justinh:

they do?

[18:48:48]

justinh:

but the record table has a columnn for chanid

[18:49:16]

justinh:

ahh actually a reschedule probably updates that

[18:49:18]

sphery:

GlemSom: the right approach is to either a) use the mythtv-setup or MythWeb channel editor to change the callsigns back to their old values or b) delete and re-create all the "this channel" recording rules (for which the channel callsigns have changed) or c) change the "this channel" rule to an "any channel" rule, then have it find a matching episode, then change it back to a "this channel" rule, or--my personal favorite--d) ...

[18:49:24]

sphery:

... don't /ever/ use "this channel" rules

[18:50:11]

justinh:

sphery: I'd guess you don't have lots of repeats of old shows on different channels.. or else better, more consistent subtitles & descriptions ;)

[18:50:50]

sphery:

justinh: yeah, the scheduler uses the channel callsign in the BUSQ to allow for matching on any of multiple identical channels (and since callsign is used to say that 2 channels are identical by assigning the same callsign)--otherwise you'd have to have different rules for each channel to allow recording on multiple different (equivalent) channels from different sources

[18:51:09]

justinh:

I'd end up with a full disk in no time if I recorded 'Top Gear' at any time on any channel ;)

[18:52:14]

justinh:

I think Dave has up to 3 showings of the very same programme some days

[18:52:36]

sphery:

justinh: we (in the US) have generally very good listings data (with programid--which means subtitle/description is ignored--and for those that don't get programid, with good subtitle/description). However, with new episodes only/exclude generics/... and some of the other scheduler magic available in rules (even without making custom rules), the repeats have never been a problem for me.

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sphery:

Plus, I actually mark episodes of shows I watched before MythTV as Never Record so Myth knows which ones I've seen. :)

[18:53:47]

justinh:

RadioTimes don't even use the same description for repeats later in the day

[18:54:17]

justinh:

and for anything with no subtitle, using descriptions for dup detection would result in no recordings

[18:54:38]

justinh:

"The adventures of Jean-Luc Picard on the Enterprise".. yada yada

[18:54:55]

justinh:

still, they ain't bad for free

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: yeah, I saw your response on the broken watch recordings page... Definitely appropriate response.

[18:55:16]

justinh:

maybe it'd be worth paying $20 a year for better EPG data

[18:55:22]

sphery:

justinh: yeah, here in the US we have it much easier than you

[18:55:33]

phunyguy:

:-/

[18:56:02]

sphery:

And, yeah, I am extremely /happy/ to pay the $20 for our data. It's a great deal.

[18:56:16]

justinh:

cheaper than buying a paper every day :)

[18:56:30]

sphery:

and far more useful, too :)

[18:56:43]

justinh:

and way less hassle than entering VideoPlus codes :P

[18:56:52]

phunyguy:

so...

[18:56:56]

phunyguy:

nobody can help me?

[18:57:00]

sphery:

(at least here in the US, our news media leaves much to be desired--regardless how much you pay for it)

[18:57:36]

sphery:

phunyguy: is it slow while scrolling left/right?

[18:57:40]

phunyguy:

yes

[18:57:41]

justinh:

phunyguy: looks like a bug that was fixed recently. get your friendly local packager to update their build of 0.21-fixes

[18:57:50]

phunyguy:

the only thing that looks great is the video in the corner!

[18:58:05]

phunyguy:

i just updated

[18:58:08]

phunyguy:

and no go

[18:58:11]

sphery:

phunyguy: it's either a) you've defined channel icons and they don't exist/aren't accessible at the location specified in the DB

[18:58:13]

phunyguy:

like earlier today

[18:58:19]

phunyguy:

icons are off.

[18:58:22]

sphery:

phunyguy: or b) you need to use a different deinterlacer

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phunyguy:

hmmm

[18:58:38]

phunyguy:

i will look into that

[18:58:41]

phunyguy:

thank you.

[18:58:42]

sphery:

phunyguy: even if you turn them off it's slow if you lie to Myth and tell it that they exist and they don't

[18:58:50]

sphery:

phunyguy: I really think it's icons

[18:58:55]

phunyguy:

ok.

[18:59:00]

phunyguy:

how do i not lie to it?

[18:59:06]

phunyguy:

;)

[18:59:24]

phunyguy:

how do i say they dont exist rather?

[18:59:43]

sphery:

phunyguy: either fix them with the icon script or UPDATE channel SET icon = '';

[18:59:47]

phunyguy:

also, when scrolling while watching my PVR-150 card – it works great

[18:59:58]

sphery:

then try the deinterlacer

[19:00:09]

phunyguy:

ok.

[19:00:14]

sphery:

i.e. use the (default configuration of the) Slim playback profile group

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles

[19:03:26]

justinh:

sphery: how come the deinterlacer has an affect on the little preview video? I wouldn't have thought it was deinterlaced at all

[19:03:59]

sphery:

Oh, it won't affect the preview video in the UI-based EPG...

[19:04:03]

phunyguy:

OK, i changed the quality settings to CPU--

[19:04:06]

phunyguy:

to test

[19:04:08]

sphery:

Only the OSD-based one

[19:04:11]

phunyguy:

of course it looked like crap

[19:04:21]

sphery:

phunyguy: CPU-- != Slim

[19:04:32]

phunyguy:

but the menu moved faster, and i did notice jitter every time i hit the arrow on the video in the corner

[19:04:37]

sphery:

use Slim

[19:04:49]

phunyguy:

ok, my point is, it's still slow

[19:05:01]

sphery:

my point is CPU-- != Slim

[19:05:14]

sphery:

CPU-- uses the deinterlacer that would affect the OSD-based EPG

[19:05:16]

justinh:

sounds like confusion between the listings data screen with the preview video in the corner – and the OSD menu :)

[19:05:30]

sphery:

anyway, are you using the EPG in the UI or the one while watching LiveTV?

[19:05:40]

justinh:

oh THAT. duh. shows how much I've ever used livetv

[19:06:08]

sphery:

phunyguy: if it's not the EPG in LiveTV, changing the profile won't help

[19:06:26]

phunyguy:

well.

[19:06:26]

sphery:

phunyguy: if it's not the EPG in LiveTV, update to 0.21-fixes r19222 or higher

[19:06:28]

phunyguy:

on Slim:

[19:06:30]

justinh:

sphery: better to ask if it's the one which appears on top of the live video, or if it's the one where the video is in a little box in a corner

[19:06:49]

phunyguy:

there is a jump every 1 second

[19:07:01]

phunyguy:

and when i move between channels in EPG

[19:07:08]

justinh:

sphery: saying the 'epg in livetv' could mean either ;)

[19:07:09]

sphery:

phunyguy: what justinh just asked is a much better way of asking it than what I asked

[19:07:25]

justinh:

I _think_ phunyguy means the one with the preview vid in the corner

[19:07:46]

phunyguy:

with the profile set to normal, while in EPG, the menu movements are really slow (30 second response)

[19:07:50]

justinh:

in which case, it needs an update to a newer -fixes – which likely isn't carried by his friendly local packager

[19:08:05]

phunyguy:

while the video in the corner is flawless

[19:08:12]

justinh:

phunyguy: just to clarify, this is the 'EPG' where the video is in a little box in the corner, yes?

[19:08:17]

phunyguy:

yes.

[19:08:27]

justinh:

if so, you need a newer version of mythtv 0.21-fixes

[19:08:28]

sphery:

and there's no video behind it, right?

[19:08:41]

phunyguy:

why would there be video behind it?

[19:08:59]

justinh:

phunyguy: there are 3 different EPG screens – or rather 3 different screens where EPG data is displayed

[19:09:02]

sphery:

phunyguy: you need 0.21-fixes r19222 or higher

[19:09:06]

sphery:

phunyguy: Ubuntu?

[19:09:06]

phunyguy:

ok.

[19:09:09]

phunyguy:

yeah

[19:09:12]

phunyguy:

mythbuntu

[19:09:12]

justinh:

1. the recording schedules screen which is the grid-based EPG layout

[19:09:19]

sphery:

go to #ubuntu-mythtv and find out how to get it

[19:09:21]

justinh:

2. the same as 1. but with a video preview in the corner

[19:09:29]

sphery:

it's available, but might not be in the US repo, yet.

[19:09:30]

phunyguy:

im sure it's just a .deb package

[19:09:37]

justinh:

and 3. 'browse' mode in livetv where some EPG data is shown on top of live video

[19:09:56]

phunyguy:

ok, it's #2

[19:10:01]

phunyguy:

:)

[19:10:21]

justinh:

yeah you need r19222 or higher of 0.21-fixes as sphery says

[19:10:36]

sphery:

phunyguy: what I'm saying is that (unless they've fixed it just recently), the deb packages for Ubuntu in the US hadn't been updated since long before r19222

[19:10:54]

sphery:

so you'll likely need some *buntu person to help you get it from an overseas repo or whatever

[19:10:56]

phunyguy:

well a .deb package doesnt mean its in the repo ;)

[19:11:00]

phunyguy:

...or does it?

[19:11:01]

justinh:

though I suspect that putting tv channel icons in will help

[19:11:15]

sphery:

yeah, make sure you clear the icons if you don't want them, too

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phunyguy:

lol no response over there

[19:14:50]

phunyguy:

tumbleweeds

[19:14:55]

phunyguy:

that's about it

[19:15:19]

phunyguy:

fyi i'm not using standart ubuntu

[19:15:23]

phunyguy:

it's mythbuntu...

[19:15:27]

justinh:

your only other option would be to build -fixes yourself

[19:15:32]

phunyguy:

so you would think that there would be some updates in there ;)

[19:15:52]

phunyguy:

how do i tell what i have installed?

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[19:16:25]

justinh:

mythfrontend --version will tell ya

[19:16:49]

phunyguy:

which line

[19:17:04]

phunyguy:

hmmm

[19:17:06]

phunyguy:

MythTV Version : 18722

[19:17:16]

phunyguy:

that would do it,.

[19:17:18]

justinh:

18722 < 19222 ;)

[19:17:20]

phunyguy:

;)

[19:17:22]

phunyguy:

yeah

[19:17:38]

iamlindoro_:

Heh... so A guy I went to grad school with (and, I will add, constantly beat out for roles) won "America's Got Talent" and got a million bucks

[19:18:03]

phunyguy:

awesome

[19:18:25]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: make stuff up about him & sell your story to the Enquirer. WIN!

[19:18:25]

iamlindoro_:

He is, as ever, an average singer

[19:18:45]

iamlindoro_:

I blame Hasselhoff

[19:19:14]

justinh:

I blame the public for watching the crap & buying the 'music'

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iamlindoro_:

He is also four times the man I am. Literally.

[19:19:47]

justinh:

I stick by my suggestion of making stuff up & selling your story

[19:19:50]

justinh:

it's only fair

[19:20:14]

iamlindoro_:

Indeedly

[19:20:17]

justinh:

oh wait no, not fair, but then neither is life :)

[19:20:36]

** iamlindoro_ is tempted to scan program notes from shows where he was my understudy ;) **

[19:22:17]

iamlindoro_:

aaaaaanyway

[19:22:33]

justinh:

time to eat roasted stuff :D

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MythbuntuGuest64:

hello folks. Need some assistance on fixing my myth setup so that mplayer gives me output on a second "X session" (this guide http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Running_ . . . isplays.29). I have no video for mplayer.

[19:27:25]

phunyguy:

ok, found the repo to add

[19:27:36]

phunyguy:

this will get me up in the 19's not sure how much into it though

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kensukeido:

Hi, i can record two channels on the same time with a tv captured?

[19:29:56]

sid3windr:

a tv captured?

[19:30:12]

phunyguy:

MythTV Version : 19626

[19:30:12]

clever:

i think he caught a TV in a cage

[19:30:13]

phunyguy:

sweet

[19:30:15]

GreyFoxx:

kensukeido: Sure assuming you have the right cards or enough of them

[19:30:26]

phunyguy:

i should be fixed now.

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kensukeido:

chip saa7130/34

[19:31:35]

wagnerrp:

kensukeido: thats a chip.... what is your card?

[19:32:19]

wagnerrp:

you do know what you shoved into your computer dont you?

[19:33:21]

sid3windr:

how is the card more important than the chipset? :p

[19:33:51]

kensukeido:

the different is with the card and not with the chipset?

[19:34:03]

wagnerrp:

that chipset might be accompanied by a digital tuner

[19:35:00]

wagnerrp:

plus, i dont know my chipsets

[19:35:07]

wagnerrp:

its a lot easier to look up the capabilities of a card

[19:35:17]

wagnerrp:

and kensukeido doesnt even know what chipset the card has

[19:35:30]

kensukeido:

wagnerrp: ok, i going to see this and i will come back

[19:35:47]

wagnerrp:

did you not build this machine?

[19:35:49]

kensukeido:

i don't have the card at this moment

[19:35:58]

wagnerrp:

ah

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kensukeido:

wagnerrp: thanks XD

[19:36:18]

wagnerrp:

ok.... analog tuners can capture one channel

[19:36:32]

wagnerrp:

digital tuners can capture one multiplex, possibly several channels

[19:36:56]

wagnerrp:

but if you want more than one, you either need a dual-tuner card, or multiple cards

[19:37:49]

MythbuntuGuest64:

not to mention that some cards have different options available even when they use the same chipset..

[19:38:01]

kensukeido:

ok, i going to save more money to do this :(

[19:38:35]

wagnerrp:

some tuners are 'hybrid tuners', meaning they can capture either one analog channel or one digital multiplex, but not both at the same time

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wagnerrp:

most analog cards have multiple inputs, analog tuner or analog capture, again only one can be used at a time

[19:42:06]

MythbuntuGuest64:

is anyone successfully watching with myth fully on one screen, and a working desktop on another – ie: twinhead?

[19:42:48]

wagnerrp:

MythbuntuGuest64: if youre using a remote, that can be done without much issue

[19:43:08]

wagnerrp:

if not, do note that you cannot have independent keyboards on a single X server

[19:43:23]

wagnerrp:

and you can (usually) not have independent X servers on a single graphics card

[19:44:37]

MythbuntuGuest64:

hmm, well I do have everything working with this one exception. I can't actually see any video when I play a movie.

[19:45:30]

MythbuntuGuest64:

meaning that I have two screen (monitor + tv), and myth works nicely on session 1 the tv, but nothing appears for video.

[19:46:31]

MythbuntuGuest64:

wagnerrp: you said independent servers – but you can still have multiple X sessions right?

[19:47:20]

wagnerrp:

not active at the same time on the same card, no

[19:47:31]

wagnerrp:

an independent session IS an independent server

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wagnerrp:

its just running on a separate terminal, so you can flip between them

[19:48:14]

wagnerrp:

only one will display on screen at a time

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MythbuntuGuest64:

wagnerrp: what do you know about making nvidia twinhead work, with myth on the second display (using a remote) and the desktop on the main? (ie: this thread ->http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Running_ . . . displays.29)

[19:49:56]

wagnerrp:

i know it can be done, but you probably dont want to use xinerama

[19:50:26]

wagnerrp:

if you use xinerama, it makes both monitors one X screen, myth will automatically fill the entire screen

[19:51:07]

wagnerrp:

them independent on two separate screens

[19:51:27]

wagnerrp:

the mouse and keyboard can access both screens, but programs are locked to the screen they are locked on

[19:51:38]

wagnerrp:

instead of :0.0, you will have :0.0 and :0.1

[19:52:36]

MythbuntuGuest64:

yeah, and myth does support that quite well actually – except: mplayer gives me nothing on the myth-screen.

[19:52:52]

wagnerrp:

why do you need mplayer?

[19:54:00]

MythbuntuGuest64:

I don't I guess, but isn't it the default player for myth? Or at least in mythbuntu anyway..

[19:54:33]

iamlindoro_:

Default player for Myth is "Internal"

[19:54:33]

GreyFoxx:

It's the default video player in the currently released stuff, but you can switch to Internal andnt use it

[19:54:39]

wagnerrp:

myth doesnt have a 'default player', it uses its own player

[19:54:42]

iamlindoro_:

s/can/should/

[19:54:57]

wagnerrp:

mythvideo used to default to mplayer, but now it defaults to 'Internal', like iamlindoro mentioned

[19:55:29]

** iamlindoro_ kicks external player support in the jaw **

[19:55:53]

MythbuntuGuest64:

ah right.. then the problem is actually that the internal player isn't cooperating.. Maybe I should switch over just for troubleshooting..

[19:56:14]

iamlindoro_:

So, XBMC only supports a GL painter and only their internal player... and we should be more like them, right? ;)

[19:56:49]

wagnerrp:

yeah, theyre purty

[19:57:13]

iamlindoro_:

God help us if we ever have their player's... "functionality"

[19:57:33]

MythbuntuGuest64:

umm..??! I defer to others on that topic.... heh

[19:58:35]

MythbuntuGuest64:

so.. the internal player is literally an internal project or was it repurposed like mplayer?

[19:58:45]

iamlindoro_:

MythbuntuGuest64, It's literally an internal project

[19:59:10]

iamlindoro_:

It, like all linux media players, uses external libraries, but the player itself is home-grown

[19:59:19]

wagnerrp:

and for mythtv, the name is 'Internal', capitol I

[19:59:21]

iamlindoro_:

(and in a number of functional ways superior to mplayer)

[19:59:30]

MythbuntuGuest64:

does it have a separate track for dev, are there docs on it?

[19:59:43]

wagnerrp:

its the same player used for livetv and recordings

[19:59:52]

iamlindoro_:

It is developed as a part of Mythtv as a whole, and it's doxygen commented

[20:00:35]

MythbuntuGuest64:

unfortunately for me, I am not able to enjoy the tv element of myth – I have a non-supported satellite setup.

[20:00:59]

wagnerrp:

so you grab an analog capture card, and hook it into your STB

[20:01:10]

iamlindoro_:

The only unsupported setup is one where you are stealing

[20:01:16]

iamlindoro_:

all others can be made to work

[20:01:46]

sid3windr:

well, mine seems unsupported ;/

[20:01:46]

iamlindoro_:

(and that's not to accuse you of stealing, btw)

[20:01:49]

MythbuntuGuest64:

no, my provider isn't letting competition exist near their own pvrs..

[20:02:10]

iamlindoro_:

MythbuntuGuest64, They can't stop you hooking an analog capture device to the output of their box

[20:02:11]

wagnerrp:

so you grab an analog capture card, and plug it into your STB

[20:02:36]

MythbuntuGuest64:

all true and that is how I have it set, but it is super hard to record the right channel in my situation.

[20:02:37]

poodyp:

or use firewire

[20:02:45]

poodyp:

if you're in the US

[20:03:46]

iamlindoro_:

poodyp, Not on Satellite, none of the Us providers have firewire boxes these days, and the ancient ones that did no longer work AFAIK

[20:04:04]

wagnerrp:

how does the firewire clause not apply to satellite?

[20:04:16]

iamlindoro_:

nope

[20:04:21]

iamlindoro_:

er sorry, you said how

[20:04:51]

iamlindoro_:

I guess they're not classed as "cable providers" by the FCC (but that's just a guess)

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GreyFoxx:

Has anyone actually asked the FCC ? That is a interesting question

[20:05:41]

sphery:

they're treated differently from cable co's

[20:05:45]

poodyp:

ah, satellite yes

[20:05:54]

GreyFoxx:

Too bad the r5000 stuff costs so much :)

[20:06:20]

wagnerrp:

hah! the mandate went into effect April 1, 2004

[20:06:26]

sphery:

which is really annoying--that's also why the FCC recommended against allowing DISH/DirecTV to merge--because they only compete with each other, not with cable (yeah, right)

[20:06:30]

MythbuntuGuest64:

well up here in the frosty Great White North, providers are protected while consumers not so much.

[20:06:58]

GreyFoxx:

MythbuntuGuest64: You just need an enlightened provider :)

[20:07:32]

GreyFoxx:

Of course I'm thinking cable, not Sat

[20:08:19]

sphery:

down here, consumers are "appeased" (not protected--just meaning the lawmakers use big words to confuse them and give laws good-sounding names like "Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act" even though it would have stripped nearly all semblance of fair use from the law), while (paying) providers are protected

[20:08:53]

MythbuntuGuest64:

well cable is slightly better. the providers have begun using dtv boxes with built-in firewire/usb and whatnot. dunno how compatible, but better than an rca/coax only unit.

[20:09:22]

wagnerrp:

"(a) The requirements of this section shall apply to digital cable systems"

[20:10:32]

wagnerrp:

seems the same mandate requires at least 12 hours of EIT data

[20:10:45]

wagnerrp:

no wonder thats all we usually get

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

just like Bill C said consumers would be able to get a digital-TV converter box for "less than $50" and then the government gave out $40 coupons, so the cheapest ones were $39.99

[20:12:10]

MythbuntuGuest64:

well there's hardly much worth watching if you do a signal/noise ratio for network programming.. I have 300+ channels and on any given day see only 10–20 different show on at a time.

[20:12:15]

wagnerrp:

hold on... effective 4,1,2004, firewire boxes upon request

[20:12:30]

wagnerrp:

effective 5,1,2005, all HD boxes have firewire

[20:12:42]

wagnerrp:

theres none of this BS about having to request firewire

[20:13:03]

wagnerrp:

that should have been gone over 3.5 years ago

[20:14:10]

MythbuntuGuest64:

yeah there's your catch. HD boxes are defined as HD programming, but not necessarily digital signals.

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wagnerrp:

HD boxes are defined as boxes capable of outputting an HD signal

[20:14:35]

wagnerrp:

if has absolutely nothing to do with the input

[20:15:13]

wagnerrp:

similarly, the boxes you get with the DTV coupons are NOT HD boxes, even though they can receive an HD signal

[20:16:58]

phunyguy:

hmmm

[20:16:59]

wagnerrp:

and those boxes must be ANSI/SCTE 26 2001 complaint

[20:17:04]

MythbuntuGuest64:

yeah I get that. I just mean that for cable that means something, but for satellite it is a smokescreen due to the way the tech evolved.

[20:17:10]

phunyguy:

now how do I fix the icon issue?

[20:17:14]

wagnerrp:

seems to indicate they must have functional firewire ports

[20:17:19]

phunyguy:

now it just hangs up while going to the program guide

[20:17:26]

wagnerrp:

as opposed to the disabled ones they seem to love handing out

[20:17:32]

phunyguy:

my guess is THAT is the icon problem

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sphery:

phunyguy: 20090111 13:59:43< sphery> phunyguy: either fix them with the icon script or UPDATE channel SET icon = '';

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MythbuntuGuest64:

the _I_nternal player :) – does it support screen selection?

[20:20:36]

wagnerrp:

it should play on the same screen mythtv is using

[20:20:49]

wagnerrp:

its an internal loopback, rather than an external function

[20:20:59]

wagnerrp:

so its run on the same process, same environment, same X screen

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MythbuntuGuest64:

what should I look at if I get no output from it on the screen myth is on? audio, no video

[20:21:37]

wagnerrp:

the frontend logs

[20:22:51]

phunyguy:

sphery, i was unaware there was a script.

[20:24:05]

sphery:

channel_icons.pl distributed with Myth

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phunyguy:

OK, here is a process that is peggin my CPU in the program guide

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phunyguy:

5842 tty7 RLs+ 22:33 \_ /usr/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -dpi 100 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7

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RobertLaptop:

anyone using commadir transmitters

[20:53:21]

thefRont:

weird. my mythtv installation thinks I have two encoders running but I actually have only one. can I fix this somehow?

[20:53:52]

wagnerrp:

go into mythtv-setup, and delete the one that doesnt actually exist

[20:54:02]

wagnerrp:

is this a digital tuner?

[20:54:08]

thefRont:

in mythtv-setup there is only one encoder defined

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thefRont:

it's a dvb-t usb stick

[20:55:04]

wagnerrp:

then thats normal operation

[20:55:20]

wagnerrp:

read through the documentation for something called 'multirec'

[20:55:39]

wagnerrp:

basically, youre tuning an mpeg stream, not a channel

[20:55:45]

wagnerrp:

each stream can hold multiple channels

[20:56:07]

wagnerrp:

you can grab multiple channels out of the stream simultaneously, and the way thats set up in mythtv is through virtual tuners

[20:56:27]

thefRont:

I'm wondering why I had one encoder all along since some time today

[20:56:54]

wagnerrp:

although i had thought dvb multirec support was not yet in -fixes

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sid3windr:

I have multirec and am using the debian multimedia package

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sid3windr:

which reports it is 0.21

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jduggan:

oh feck

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jduggan:

schedules wrong!

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thefRont:

ah

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thefRont:

I think I've found the option which sets the tuner for multirec

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: you're definitely right about #4752... Support forum in the bug DB: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4752#comment:57

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thefRont:

so just to be sure...would it be possible to make 4 simultaneous recordings if there are 4 channels per stream?

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justinh:

yup

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mchou:

anyone happen to know if Athlon LE-1620 (2.3GHz) is fast enough to decode and deinterlace 1080i mpeg2?

[21:12:18]

mchou:

umm, 1080p

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mchou:

sw only, no VDPAU or xvmc

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jamesd:

maybe... but dual core would help and an nvidia card would help even more..

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justinh:

nah

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I was gonna say my C2D 2200 (2.2Ghz) has no problem whatsoever, nor does my Socket-939 A 64 x2 4600...

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: nah, this is for a "just enough" frontend build

[21:18:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: But they're both dual-core... So not sure if it's a fair comparison...

[21:19:13]

wagnerrp:

where did you find 1080p mpeg2?

[21:19:14]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: dual core on myth doesnt help much

[21:19:33]

wagnerrp:

rather, dual core on mpeg2 doesnt help much

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wagnerrp:

dual core on h264 helps enormously

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: most decode is still single threaded afaik

[21:20:13]

mchou:

wagnerrp: by that time VDPAU will be good enough to use

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wagnerrp:

there was some work in ffmpeg to make all decoding support multithreading

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jamesd:

even if the 2nd core doesn't help the decoding, it gives the cpu some breeting room because it can be doing other things like accessing the disk and taking care of the kernel

[21:20:42]

mchou:

wagnerrp: I'll just toss in an nvidia card for HW decode when that time comes

[21:20:50]

wagnerrp:

however h264 (and i believe VC1) was designed with multithreading in mind

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wagnerrp:

you encode in slices, and you can decode in slices

[21:21:16]

** sphery doesn't understand the concept of "just enough frontend" **

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mchou:

sphery: 45W TDP, plus HW decode coming down the pipe

[21:21:53]

mchou:

plus cheap

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sphery:

I'm just saying when you shoot for the bare minimum, you often miss

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jamesd:

i agree with sphery especially in todays world. of the difference between 2 little performance and an over abundnace of cpu and ram is $20.

[21:22:13]

mchou:

those make it at least worth for consideration

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wagnerrp:

will mythtv run the decode and deinterlace on separate threads?

[21:22:39]

sphery:

(especially when you shoot for the bare minimum while presuming some future technology will make it usable :)

[21:23:22]

mchou:

jamesd: you're wrong. Total cost of ownership. at 45W TDP vs. say 65W I save enough electricity $ for a "free" processor

[21:23:44]

mchou:

I mean that makes the processsor "free"

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wagnerrp:

anyway, back the original question, my 2GHz single core 939 will do anything ATSC just fine

[21:24:09]

mchou:

there is no need especially this is mostly for 1080i

[21:24:16]

strex:

having issues getting mythfrontend to work with lirc, ircat and irw both report as they should. Any suggestions, or logs that might help?

[21:24:19]

sphery:

and you could save a lot more by shutting down the frontend when not in use

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wagnerrp:

so, by the same measure, a 2.3GHz AM2 should handle anything under 20mbps just fine

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justinh:

strex: issues?

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jamesd:

mchou, the cpu doesn't always use its max power.. powerd can lower the cpu and because its a bit faster it can usually run at a slower low power mode more often saving power.

[21:25:34]

strex:

justinh: mythfrontend doesn't respond to any lirc commands.

[21:25:44]

mchou:

jamesd: power management works on all modern procs across the board

[21:25:57]

justinh:

got .lircrc and/or lircrc in the right dir?

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mchou:

so the savings apply regardeless of processor

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wagnerrp:

jamesd: if the 939 and AM2 downclocking is the same, both chips will be able to drop to a 5x multiplier, so 1GHz

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mchou:

or power mode

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justinh:

and are the remote definitions correct for the lircd.conf button names?

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wagnerrp:

but the 45W chip is probably binned to run at lower voltages when downclocked

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strex:

justinh: I have a .lircrc in the home dir, should it also be in the .mythtv dir?

[21:26:43]

justinh:

lircrc in the .mythtv dir last I knew

[21:26:52]

justinh:

not .lircrc in the .mythtv dir

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strex:

justinh: Trying that now, that's probably my problem..

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MythbuntuGuest64:

wangerrp; those frontend logs have only one pertinent error (as far as I can tell) -> unable to XRRgetScreenInfo.

[21:29:59]

MythbuntuGuest64:

wagnerrp

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strex:

justinh: that was it, thanks very much for the help (i knew it was something small and stupid).

[21:32:29]

justinh:

and I thought mythfrontend looked in .lircrc in the user's home dir these days too, but hey ;)

[21:32:47]

justinh:

maybe it's only trunk which does that.. or maybe neither

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MythbuntuGuest64:

the error follows a line "...TV: Attempting to change from WatchingPreRecorded to None"

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justinh:

MythbuntuGuest64: backend log will be more illuminating

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mchou:

jamesd: a phenom X3 is only $20 more, but has 95W, and is probably not fast enough to decode 1080p....

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mchou:

jamesd: due to it's lower clock speed

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wagnerrp:

when they shut off a dead core, is it completely disconnected? or is it still drawing power?

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mchou:

jamesd: that's why it's "unattractive"

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mchou:

wagnerrp: still draws power afaik

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mchou:

I think just because multicore is cheap (up front) is no reason to get it, especially for myth

[21:37:51]

mchou:

I mean if you use the box for other things, sure

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mchou:

but if it's pretty much just mythfe, what's the point?

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jamesd:

mchou, but the difference between 1.8ghz cpu and a 2.4 ghz is also about $20... and the 2.4ghz is more likely to stay in a low power mode.. when asked to some light weight tasks

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mchou:

1.8ghz?? that's not enough raw clock for 1080p anyways. That's not what I'm talking about here

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Anduin:

justinh: release and trunk will check Myth's config dir for lircrc and fall back to ~/.lircrc if it doesn't exist

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wagnerrp:

what is this 1080p content anyway? bluray/hddvd?

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justinh:

I thought as much but wasn't sure Anduin

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justinh:

thanks

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jamesd:

mchou, yes but its part of the original statement.. its better to spend an extra $20 to get a cpu and/or ram config then to save the $20 and get a box that is barely powerful enough.

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justinh:

maybe lircrc existed in ~/.mythtv but was wrong/different

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wagnerrp:

i dont know of anywhere else to get such content in the US

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mchou:

jamesd: I'm not sure it's not powerful enough. That's what I'm saying

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wagnerrp:

and thats likely to be closer to 40mbps, considerably more intensive than ATSC

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mchou:

jamesd: and I've already stated why I think multicore for fe isn't all that great an idea anyways

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MythbuntuGuest64:

justinh: nothing in backend logs I can relate to playing video rather than livetv.

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mchou:

jamesd: nothing you've said so far has dissuaded me

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justinh:

nothing you can relate to. I can't read hex dumps of programs & work out what they're doing

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mchou:

jamesd: I mean concievable also when VDPAU hits prime time an atom is enough for decode

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mchou:

concievably*

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wagnerrp:

mchou: so long as you dont have any divx/xvid/mp4asp content

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wagnerrp:

youll stretch an atom to manage old DVD rips

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mchou:

wagnerrp: yup. that's correct. when you think that's going be prime time anyways?

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mchou:

wagnerrp: you dont rip on an atom

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wagnerrp:

its an in-order processor

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mchou:

you rip on a box that's considerably more powerful

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wagnerrp:

its 1.6GHz speed manages somewhat better than my old P3 laptop

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wagnerrp:

its like people expecting any kind of performance on a PS3

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Shadow___X:

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wagnerrp:

as far as when VDPAU is 'prime time', not until the 180 driver is officially released

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MythbuntuGuest64:

justinh: well it is in english, so I do have that advantage ;) but seriously – mythbackend.log has only one persistent error referencing a file ending with ".nuv".

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mchou:

wagnerrp: your 2GHz single 939 doesnt choke on deinterlace?

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mchou:

wagnerrp: you're probably not using SW decode only on that box

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wagnerrp:

not since im playing it on a 33" CRT

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rcampbel3:

Running ubuntu-8.10 with latest pulseaudio fixes. Recent mythtv-0.21-fixes packages broke volume controls. Read that some pulseaudio fixes were backported, but I'm unclear what the correct audio device settings should be. Any help?

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wagnerrp:

cutting it to HD resolutions somewhat removes the need for deinterlace

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wagnerrp:

SD, rather

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mchou:

wagnerrp: yeah, but what's the point of that?

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mchou:

might as well use an STB

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mchou:

you'd be better off

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wagnerrp:

digital content looks far better than what gets recorded on my 150s

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wagnerrp:

and if i used an STB, i would have to watch it when it was broadcast

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mchou:

wagnerrp: STB over firewire

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mchou:

SD and HD available

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wagnerrp:

i dont have digital cable

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mchou:

you dont need digital cable

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mchou:

you just need to have cable

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wagnerrp:

to have an STB, you need digital cable

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mchou:

wagnerrp: that's against the law

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wagnerrp:

i believe were talking about different things

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mchou:

firewire STB will be provided to anyone who has basic level subscription

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mchou:

that's the wording in the law

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wagnerrp:

HD STBs are required to have firewire

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iamlindoro_:

"Effective April 1, 2004, upon request of a customer, replace any leased high definition set-top box, which does not include a functional IEEE 1394 interface, with one that includes a functional IEEE 1394 interface or upgrade the customer's set-top box by download or other means to ensure that the IEEE 1394 interface is functional."

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iamlindoro_:

HD STBs only

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wagnerrp:

they dont give you one unless you have digital cable

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mchou:

you might have to pay additioal for STB rental but there is no requirement for digital tiering

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wagnerrp:

and what would be the point of spending $8/mo on a rental, when i can just get a tuner card for $50?

[21:55:43]

mchou:

wagnerrp: like I said, that's against the law. look it up

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iamlindoro_:

There's nothing obliging them to provide you with the HD STB on a basic package. The law only says that they must *replace* an HD STB with a firewire one upon request, not that they must give you the HD STB in the first place.

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mchou:

wagnerrp: cable companies like to "confuse" people but there is no need to propagate that FUD

[21:57:35]

wagnerrp:

as said, if i dont have digital cable, why would i rent an STB

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mchou:

iamlindoro_: the law doesnt make any distinction betw. SD or HD stbs

[21:57:46]

iamlindoro_:

mchou, "Effective April 1, 2004, upon request of a customer, replace any leased high definition set-top box, which does not include a functional IEEE 1394 interface, with one that includes a functional IEEE 1394 interface or upgrade the customer's set-top box by download or other means to ensure that the IEEE 1394 interface is functional."

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iamlindoro_:

That's the exact text

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iamlindoro_:

It quite clearly wstates High Definition STB

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mchou:

right. where does it say HD vs. SD?

[21:58:10]

iamlindoro_:

s/wstates/states/

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iamlindoro_:

" replace any leased high definition set-top box"

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: How about the words "HIGH DEFINITION set-top box"

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mchou:

nothing prevents you from leasing a HD STB even if you're an basic cable subscriber

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iamlindoro_:

And nothing obliges them to give you one as a basic subscriber

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: get that part of the law

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iamlindoro_:

"Sorry, we don't give out HD boxes for basic subscription"

[21:59:57]

iamlindoro_:

And it would be perfectly legal

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MythbuntuGuest64:

so is there a way to force Internal player to a particular screen (X session, whatnot).. ?

[22:00:05]

wagnerrp:

why would i lease an STB? what would it get me? what purpose would it serve?

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mchou:

iamlindoro_: go look up the "navigational devices" part of that law.

[22:01:29]

iamlindoro_:

mchou, Oh come now, why don't you quote me that part?

[22:01:37]

iamlindoro_:

Show me the part that says I'm wrong

[22:01:48]

iamlindoro_:

where they have to give you the STB of your choice at any tier

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iamlindoro_:

because... they don't.

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mchou:

nothing in the law says you get to choose the STB.

[22:02:32]

wagnerrp:

everything still goes back to the base issue, why would i want an STB?

[22:02:51]

iamlindoro_:

exactly. So they can happily say, "Sorry, you can't have an HD box" if you don't have HD service.

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afm:

basic box basic cable

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wagnerrp:

i dont have digital cable, what would i do with an STB

[22:03:09]

mchou:

but it does say a STB with firewire must be provided at customer request (even at a basic tier)

[22:03:31]

iamlindoro_:

mchou, no, it quite clearly does not

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** iamlindoro_ sighs **

[22:03:39]

iamlindoro_:

" replace any leased high definition set-top box"

[22:03:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: You could gut it and put a mini itx motherboard in it for a myth frontend...

[22:04:01]

afm:

iamlindoro_: is right...been dealing with this the last few days

[22:04:36]

afm:

paying for the darn motorola 7100 for the compenent output to the hdpvr

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iamlindoro_:

Anyway, back to something more sensible, like... chewing on broken glass.

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, or arguing wiht boycottnovell? that's good fun!

[22:09:55]

iamlindoro_:

ooooh, fun

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** iamlindoro_ wonders what happened to the "I'm gonna get channel changing to a fraction of a second like in my FTA boxes" guy, too **

[22:10:28]

directhex:

iamlindoro_, he's gotten as far as hello.c

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laga:

iamlindoro_: he's gone insane?

[22:10:50]

iamlindoro_:

laga, s/he's/he had/ ;)

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laga:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

mythuiwebbrowser.cpp makes my head hurt

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erpo:

I helped a friend set up his mythtv box. Now he wants to record football games, but sometimes they run long and he misses the endings. What can I do about this?

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mchou:

lol

[22:13:11]

mchou:

you guys are funny

[22:13:13]

mchou:

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6429385.html?rssid=108

[22:13:33]

jamesd:

you can tell it to always record an extra 10 minutes or more.. its configurable.

[22:13:52]

sid3windr:

jamesd: I was just gonna set that up as well, have a quick tip where the option is located? ;)

[22:13:54]

mchou:

why would the chairman of Time Warner Cable get dragged in front of CONGRESS?

[22:14:26]

iamlindoro_:

mchou, So that company is permitting their subscribers to get HD boxes at the basic tier. So?

[22:14:29]

jamesd:

sid3windr, nope.. i don't touch it often enough you just have to keep searching

[22:14:33]

mchou:

and why would CCONGRESS give a damn if it wasnt CONGRESSIONAL intent?

[22:14:35]

iamlindoro_:

I'd like to see the FCC *reg* that requires it

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jamesd:

mchou, the congress men are pissed that they have to pay $100 a month for digital TV and 2 movie channels.. and they want more pr0n.

[22:15:10]

mchou:

iamlindoro_: no, congress doesnt drag a chairman of company in front of congress for that

[22:15:15]

iamlindoro_:

I was courteous enough to dig up legit evidence of my point, why don't you do the same? There's nothing in that article that indicates there's any requirement that they do so

[22:15:41]

iamlindoro_:

mchou, Umm... is that meant to be a solid argument? Your inference of what it meant? If it exists in the law, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt-- just show me.

[22:15:46]

mchou:

"When Rep. Rick Boucher (D-Va.) raised concern about cable subscribers having to buy more than one programming tier in order to receive local HD signals, Britt indicated that his company required purchase of a digital tier as a prerequisite to gaining access to local HD signals free-of-charge."

[22:16:01]

mchou:

"CCongressional intent"

[22:16:11]

mchou:

that's part of the law too

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iamlindoro_:

OK, a congressperson raised his concerns... so if those concerns are borne out of a real regulation, then just *show* me.

[22:17:02]

iamlindoro_:

Congressional Intent is *not* law, nor regulation

[22:17:18]

mchou:

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:oGePNhB5 . . . =3&gl=us

[22:17:37]

mchou:

See id. at

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mchou:

9. NCTA does not contend otherwise, but suggests that cable operators must carry digital signals

[22:17:37]

mchou:

on their lowest-priced basic tiers, and thus subscribers do not incur charges beyond the basic

[22:17:37]

mchou:

service fees to receive such signals. See NCTA 2006 Comments at 7–9. NCTA has misstated

[22:17:37]

mchou:

both the law and the facts.

[22:18:05]

iamlindoro_:

That has nothing to do with their obligation to provide you an HD box

[22:18:11]

iamlindoro_:

This is classic you, my friend

[22:18:26]

iamlindoro_:

you do everything you can to avoid acknowledging being wrong

[22:18:52]

mchou:

classic me?

[22:19:10]

iamlindoro_:

If such a regulation exists, I will happily read it an acknowledge my wrongness-- but you're going to need to provide a regulation or law that directly says a cable provider must provide a basic tier subscriber with an HD box upon request.

[22:19:11]

mchou:

I'm citing you documents and this is classic?

[22:19:27]

iamlindoro_:

mchou, Where in that (or any other) document does it state they must provide you with an HD box?

[22:19:50]

iamlindoro_:

That says they must carry digital signals on the basic tier-- has nothing to do with a requirement to provide you with an HD box

[22:20:03]

iamlindoro_:

they can give you an SD box that will decode those signals – and they do.

[22:20:29]

mchou:

read the rest of the citation

[22:21:20]

iamlindoro_:

I don't see any such statement, why don't you show me?

[22:21:42]

iamlindoro_:

and, for that matter, show the rest of the channel so we can all "learn."

[22:22:13]

mchou:

iamlindoro_: you learn by reading the citation

[22:22:21]

iamlindoro_:

*sigh*

[22:22:22]

iamlindoro_:

exactly

[22:22:30]

iamlindoro_:

classic

[22:23:02]

iamlindoro_:

When you can't prove a point, you imply that the opposition is "missing" something rather than proving your point

[22:24:38]

mchou:

no, all I said was read the citation

[22:25:12]

mchou:

I'm not going to type out all the complexities that have been documented elsewhere

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** sid3windr is missing the same thing as iamlindoro_ **

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iamlindoro_:

I read it. There's nothing that I can see that states a cable provider must provide an HD box at the SD tier. Or perhaps you'd like to provide more obliquely unrelated links and imply that we're "not reading">

[22:25:41]

iamlindoro_:

?

[22:25:53]

mchou:

and let's face it, non of us are lawyers

[22:26:00]

iamlindoro_:

I think I'd have a heart attack if I ever saw mchou admit his wrongness

[22:26:26]

iamlindoro_:

And maybe that would make it worthwhile for him ;)

[22:27:43]

** iamlindoro_ senses "The Googles" being madly stretched nearby **

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mchou:

lol

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sid3windr:

the googles, they do nothing

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** J-e-f-f-A likes googling, but sometimes he gets slapped by his wife for it... **

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iamlindoro_:

You can google, just don't finger

[22:31:04]

iamlindoro_:

OR

[22:31:10]

iamlindoro_:

your can google, just don't gopher

[22:31:17]

iamlindoro_:

OR

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iamlindoro_:

your can google, just don't upload

[22:31:43]

iamlindoro_:

gah, s/your/you/ 2x

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wagnerrp:

theres still the glaring question that started this whole debate, why would i want an STB?

[22:37:29]

sid3windr:

because it may be the only way you can get what you need :]

[22:37:51]

iamlindoro_:

Won't do him much good without a cable sub :)

[22:37:52]

wagnerrp:

i dont have digital cable

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Anduin:

you will probably be pushed to digital cable eventually

[22:39:09]

wagnerrp:

perhaps

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** sid3windr needs STB because dumbo cable provider does DVB-C with nagravision2 but is not giving out the key to use the CI in other hardware than their own **

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sid3windr:

some channels are unencrypted so I have a DVB-C card as well, but I can't get it to work with myth :[

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mib_vo3ihr:

question...is EIT only supported/transmitted if you have cable or satellite, or can it be used with regular over-the-air digital channels?

[22:48:36]

wagnerrp:

can be used with OTA digital

[22:48:45]

mib_vo3ihr:

That's what I thought, but I can't get it to work.

[22:48:51]

wagnerrp:

however, in the US, expect that youre not going to get more than a day of data

[22:48:57]

mib_vo3ihr:

yeah, I understand that

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mib_vo3ihr:

anything would be nice, though

[22:49:03]

iamlindoro_:

And quite possibly none at all

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sid3windr:

yeah I should theoretically have EIT on my DVB-T here

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mib_vo3ihr:

well, I am in the US...am I out of luck then?

[22:49:25]

sid3windr:

anyone have a tip how I can verify this outside of myth?

[22:49:35]

sid3windr:

(except sending me to #linuxtv ;)

[22:49:42]

mythrookie:

you guys know if i can search for episodes in imdb search of the mythvideo plugin

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mythrookie:

?

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sid3windr:

as I have it enabled in mythtv but am not getting epg

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wagnerrp:

mib_vo3ihr: if youre in the US, suck it up, pay the $20, and get schedulesdirect

[22:50:21]

mib_vo3ihr:

yeah, I probably will, I just don't really need it right now...if I can get even a couple hours of program data it would be great

[22:50:21]

Anduin:

mythrookie: no

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mythrookie:

not hard to impement tho

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wagnerrp:

mythrookie: the imdb script is defunct

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wagnerrp:

imdb has made it clear they do not want scrapers grabbing data off their website

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Anduin:

mythrookie: yes, but will never make it in, thetvdb or whatever may for 0.22

[22:51:56]

mythrookie:

ok so what is 0.22 using instead imdb?

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wagnerrp:

themoviedb

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sid3windr:

ofdb or something?

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wagnerrp:

and apparently thetvdb

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mythrookie:

i gobble it

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sid3windr:

do these guys allow grabbers?

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iamlindoro_:

That's what I hear about you

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sid3windr:

or is it just a matter of time before that stops working too ;/

[22:52:56]

iamlindoro_:

sid3windr, TMDB and TTVDB both ahve APIs, quite nice

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iamlindoro_:

And all community run/generated

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Anduin:

which are probably the only ones that will make it to 0.22

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sid3windr:

iamlindoro_: cool!

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iamlindoro_:

and lots lots LOTS more types of metadata that have exciting possibilities

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sid3windr:

imdb one broke before, then someone updated the script or something, then it broke again, etc

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wagnerrp:

the issue is that IMDB paid for their graphical content, and they do not want distribution to people without the chance of ads

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sid3windr:

so would be great to be able to "rely" on it

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mythrookie:

no series in those ones

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mythrookie:

well

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mythrookie:

too bad

[22:54:13]

mythrookie:

thanks for the info

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iamlindoro_:

mythrookie, Uh... The TVDB?

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sid3windr:

like, if there were a schedulesdirect for belgium.. :p I would be way happier than using hackish methods ;/

[22:54:47]

sid3windr:

(currently using mc2xml, which actually works great, but still... I guess microsoft could easily block it)

[22:55:01]

wagnerrp:

if you want to look back through the mailing list archives, theres a script that will grab tvrage data for tv episodes in mythvideo

[22:55:01]

mythrookie:

gobbling that too know

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Anduin:

imdb.pl isn't broken in -fixes as far as I know

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iamlindoro_:

mythrookie, just because it's not out for public consumption yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist. .22 will in all liklihood be able to pull TV info in mythvideo as well as movie info

[22:55:37]

sid3windr:

Anduin: good to know, too :)

[22:55:56]

wagnerrp:

not completely broken, but the images look like ass

[22:55:59]

Anduin:

sid3windr: the posters are ick though, which will not be fixed

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mythrookie:

oww tvdb is goood

[22:56:11]

mythrookie:

very gooood

[22:56:30]

mythrookie:

thanks

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** sid3windr likes stuff with API **

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sid3windr:

berry berry much

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justinh:

API.. is that a typo of the kwik-e-mart guy in The Simpsons?

[23:01:11]

mib_vo3ihr:

It seems there is EIT data broadcast here in Cincinnati, OH, according to the thread on AVS Forum...don't know how to receive it though...

[23:01:38]

Shadow___X:

do you have it selected to use eit data

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Shadow___X:

check the manual it discusses that and should work

[23:02:54]

justinh:

you'll be lucky to get 'what's on tonight' from what I heard

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wagnerrp:

mib_vo3ihr: dont know... never tried to grab it

[23:03:35]

wagnerrp:

i pick up the local stations off QAM anyway

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justinh:

put it this way, it's no substitute for a Schedules Direct subscription ;)

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sphery:

yeah, and the likelihood of goot EIT data on digital cable is almost 0 (since they all want you to use their STB which gets its data generally from a separate stream)

[23:06:05]

mib_vo3ihr:

I don't have digital cable

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sphery:

My guess is now/next

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iamlindoro_:

mib_vo3ihr, You're not going to get EIT from analog

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sphery:

On OTA, generally you'll see no more than 24h in the US--and it's different on different channels

[23:06:37]

mib_vo3ihr:

I followed the manual, the initial instructions aren't working, and I don't understand how to use the scan utility

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justinh:

yay. brand new series of Ideal!

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justinh:

:D

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mib_vo3ihr:

iamlindoro_: what about OTA digital?

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mib_vo3ihr:

I know it's possible...

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iamlindoro_:

like all things US EIT, a crapshoot

[23:07:21]

justinh:

mib_vo3ihr: you read about it on some forum somewhere. YMMV

[23:08:03]

sphery:

mib_vo3ihr: the $20/yr is a much better option

[23:08:08]

sphery:

http://schedulesdirect.org/

[23:08:11]

mib_vo3ihr:

all right, all right....

[23:08:17]

mib_vo3ihr:

I'll look into it

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wagnerrp:

if you want, just keep signing up for new trials

[23:08:41]

wagnerrp:

but, its worth $20 of my time not to have to do that once a week

[23:08:50]

mib_vo3ihr:

how far ahead does that go?

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sphery:

With EIT, you can get different program details on different channels, so duplicate checking is basically useless meaning you use your time to do dup checks rather than getting it done automatically

[23:09:03]

wagnerrp:

a trial is for one week, and gives you one week of data

[23:09:07]

dustybin:

how about some kind of IRC mythtv bot, maybe it can give info when something is recording, etc

[23:09:11]

wagnerrp:

full subscription gives you two weeks

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sphery:

mib_vo3ihr: SD provides 2 weeks of data

[23:09:24]

mib_vo3ihr:

all right...thanks

[23:09:29]

sphery:

wagnerrp explained details better than me

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justinh:

bucking fastards. not brand new at all. Brand new for BBC2, already been on BBC3.

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wagnerrp:

bbc4... bbc5... bbc6... bbc7...

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justinh:

only goes up to BBC4 at the mo

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dustybin:

justinh: ive never seen any of those, just set them to record

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wagnerrp:

ah, just heard that Beatles song on the radio today

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justinh:

dustybin: very dark (and very funny) comedy about a smalltime drug dealer

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dustybin:

ace :)

[23:11:21]

justinh:

also very surreal, but not stupid surreal like that thing with Noel Fielding in it

[23:11:35]

dustybin:

oh yep, that was a bit too much

[23:12:02]

dustybin:

dont forget: Bodyshock: Half Ton Son

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justinh:

commissioning editors should really smoke less crack

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dustybin:

lol

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justinh:

mighty boosh. that's what it's not stupid like ;)

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dustybin:

they were a tad bit strange

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justinh:

well, bedtime. hacking day tomorrow :)

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wagnerrp:

hacking day?

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sid3windr:

the day of hack.

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iamlindoro_:

It's when all the UK residents take off from work and play hacky-sack

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jduggan:

:|

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jduggan:

i wish i had the day off to hack

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** sid3windr hacks jduggan in 2 **

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sid3windr:

now only one part has to go to work!

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iamlindoro_:

When I was a lad and I would fight with my sisters in the pool, and we were ordered to split the pool in half, I would always claim the top half

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wagnerrp:

so you wanted to restrict yourself to floating on your back?

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sid3windr:

=)

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iamlindoro_:

It was a deep pool

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