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| [00:01:30] | yalu: | I find the "actual" easier on the eye than the "concept" |
| [00:01:59] | justinh: | what's the icon that looks like a gas canister? |
| [00:02:31] | iamlindoro: | justinh, hehe, it's a bookmark, I had a much nicer icon that got totally broken and didn't want to spend time recreating it |
| [00:02:34] | iamlindoro: | it's temporary |
| [00:03:22] | justinh: | fwiw, just use a 'book' :) |
| [00:03:34] | iamlindoro: | The original was a book |
| [00:03:39] | iamlindoro: | with a nice little ribbon sticking out of it |
| [00:04:03] | iamlindoro: | but grouping a 3D box effect + anything else in inkscape is horribly broken |
| [00:04:35] | justinh: | easiest to do 3d manually |
| [00:05:17] | justinh: | or what about drawing a 3d box effort, then convert it to erm.. thingies.. then group them |
| [00:05:36] | iamlindoro: | paths? |
| [00:05:41] | justinh: | thingies meaning er.. paths yeah |
| [00:05:57] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, it's not lack of desire to change it, just lask of desire to keep pokign at icons at that moment |
| [00:06:05] | iamlindoro: | lack, poking |
| [00:06:27] | justinh: | yeah drawing icons is hellish drudgery |
| [00:06:50] | justinh: | sometimes I wish there were abstract shape drawing tools in the UI |
| [00:07:07] | justinh: | that'd save reams of work |
| [00:07:48] | iamlindoro: | Couple of things I'll have to round back and fix up as MythUI goes through puberty, but I'm satisfied leaving it alone for now |
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| [00:10:38] | gbee: | justinh: in mythui you mean? |
| [00:10:58] | justinh: | gbee: yeah |
| [00:11:33] | justinh: | since we're all into our smooth shaded outlined transparent boxes with rounded corners :) |
| [00:12:07] | iamlindoro: | <smoothshadedoutlinedsemitransparentbox>true</smoothshadedoutlinedsemit ransparentbox> |
| [00:12:25] | justinh: | then again I dunno how that'd play with scaling/caching/pre-rendering |
| [00:13:21] | gbee: | lets call that mythui v2 |
| [00:14:05] | justinh: | heh |
| [00:14:08] | gbee: | iamlindoro: that guide data comes from SD? |
| [00:14:20] | iamlindoro: | gbee, yep |
| [00:14:20] | yalu: | why does the frontend do the "pre-scaling theme image" each time I start it? isn't it supposed to save those to disk or something? |
| [00:14:44] | iamlindoro: | gbee, why? |
| [00:14:52] | gbee: | what's with all the semi-colons? |
| [00:14:59] | justinh: | yalu: if the user you run mythfrontend as has permission to make a .themecache dir.. |
| [00:15:01] | ** iamlindoro shrugs ** | |
| [00:15:06] | iamlindoro: | I just work here |
| [00:15:53] | justinh: | all what semicolons? |
| [00:16:08] | iamlindoro: | gbee, So is the thing where the cases of the group names are stripped intentional? It *is* actually kinda cool |
| [00:16:23] | iamlindoro: | In a neo-humanist sorta way |
| [00:17:05] | justinh: | opens the door to using fonts which happen to have no (or poor) lower cases |
| [00:17:21] | justinh: | to heck with RTL languages. they can squiggle their own |
| [00:17:29] | gbee: | iamlindoro: it's just that the default theme uses a different string to the one you are probably used to seeing |
| [00:17:41] | iamlindoro: | ah |
| [00:18:02] | iamlindoro: | Erm... taht can't be right |
| [00:18:12] | iamlindoro: | it's just textarea name="title" |
| [00:18:20] | iamlindoro: | capitalization is correct with a single program selected |
| [00:18:27] | iamlindoro: | just all lower-case with a group selected |
| [00:18:35] | justinh: | is the %STARS%DESCRIPTION%WHATEVER% stuff documented anywhere btw? |
| [00:18:48] | iamlindoro: | All Programs – the shawshank redemption |
| [00:19:20] | gbee: | you've got "group", "show" and "title" – title conflicts with the textarea for the recording title, which I'll fix before committing |
| [00:19:44] | iamlindoro: | ah... I think I get it |
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| [00:20:37] | gbee: | in the final thing I'll offer "groupname", "groupshowname" and "grouplongname" ... I didn't invent these strings, they are inherited from the old ui |
| [00:20:48] | iamlindoro: | I gotcha |
| [00:21:13] | gbee: | and "groupdescription" – so you'll be able to display those things in a different area of the screen should you wish |
| [00:21:28] | gbee: | at the very least they can be positioned better in the same space |
| [00:21:29] | iamlindoro: | Cool |
| [00:22:15] | gbee: | you also have "rec_count", the number of recordings in a group |
| [00:22:47] | justinh: | woo |
| [00:22:55] | gbee: | it's all pretty messy and one reason why it's taken so $*%! long |
| [00:23:02] | justinh: | gah! anybody got a cork for my dog? |
| [00:23:19] | gbee: | I could have done a much simpler port, but where's the fun in that? |
| [00:23:22] | directhex: | justinh, imagine a champagne bottle that's been shaken up |
| [00:23:26] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Is the PBB the most major hurdle of the whole MythUI conversion, or is there anything else that's this bad coming up? |
| [00:23:40] | justinh: | mythmusic might be a bit of a mare |
| [00:23:46] | ** iamlindoro pats his dog lying quietly at his feet ** | |
| [00:24:08] | justinh: | iamlindoro: lest we forget mytharchive! |
| [00:24:13] | iamlindoro: | *shudder* |
| [00:24:23] | iamlindoro: | Can't I just theme the screens *I* use? |
| [00:24:30] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [00:24:37] | gbee: | program guide simply because I don't know what I'm going to do with it, but in terms of a single screen of huge scope and with so many custom popups, no nothing compares to PBB |
| [00:25:20] | iamlindoro: | *finally* got some inspiration about the dialog boxes today |
| [00:25:44] | iamlindoro: | Now if only the menus weren't just white text arranged horizontally |
| [00:27:02] | wylie: | regardless, i'm loving the theme work you are doing — i'd be happy to just use the screen *you* use ... at least to start. ;b |
| [00:27:13] | iamlindoro: | Awww :) |
| [00:27:44] | iamlindoro: | It's easy to theme like me. Create basic geometric shape, apply alpha, DONE! |
| [00:27:50] | gbee: | watch recordings is a nightmare, because of the different data it's expect to show, the filters, the sorting options, the endless menus and their associated options and best of all so many custom popups (recgroup selector, filter dialog, playgroup selector, password changer, metadata editor, icon help and more) |
| [00:28:58] | yalu: | talking of champagne: happy new year |
| [00:29:37] | justinh: | new year, yes it is |
| [00:29:38] | justinh: | :) |
| [00:30:17] | directhex: | iamlindoro, how about a 100% native svg-based ui? :) |
| [00:30:34] | iamlindoro: | directhex, Might as well be! |
| [00:30:50] | justinh: | might as well be from my perspective too these days |
| [00:30:56] | directhex: | iamlindoro, ooh, even better – XAML! |
| [00:31:10] | justinh: | and if there were a way to embed a bitmap in an SVG _properly_ .. |
| [00:31:34] | justinh: | rather than just link to it :-\ |
| [00:31:45] | directhex: | yeah, that's what myth needs, a silverlight-based ui |
| [00:32:03] | justinh: | riiight |
| [00:32:09] | jduggan: | lol |
| [00:32:22] | kormoc: | I prefer goldlight |
| [00:32:25] | iamlindoro: | Silverlight on Clutter, please |
| [00:32:27] | gbee: | justinh: were that the case you'd lose the benefits of being able to scale SVG up without loss in quality, the bitmap wouldn't fair so well |
| [00:32:43] | justinh: | gbee: bitmaps never fare well anyway |
| [00:32:52] | justinh: | but the freedom to use them should remain IMHO |
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| [00:33:06] | krushia: | is there a way to remove the TV-related menus from mythtv? all i want are games, music, and web browsing |
| [00:33:19] | justinh: | seen as we lack (we meaning the community) talented photorealistic icon designers |
| [00:33:21] | iamlindoro: | You've got the wrong software installed then |
| [00:33:31] | gbee: | at least if you build your theme around 1280x720, or better yet, 1920x1080 it will scale down pretty well |
| [00:33:45] | krushia: | so, myth isn't customizable? |
| [00:33:46] | justinh: | krushia: comment them out of the xml files like <!-- THIS --> |
| [00:33:54] | iamlindoro: | Myth is perfectly customizable |
| [00:33:55] | krushia: | okay |
| [00:34:03] | justinh: | e.g. mainmenu.xml etc |
| [00:34:19] | iamlindoro: | But you're trying to do your taxes using the Microsoft word table functions |
| [00:34:49] | krushia: | heh |
| [00:34:50] | justinh: | what iamlindoro means is, if that's all you want maybe you should look at other software. mythtv aces at television.. other stuff.. hrm.. there are better ways |
| [00:34:53] | directhex: | word supports tables? :o |
| [00:34:54] | gbee: | ahh let him do it, he won't truly understand until he's done it for himself |
| [00:35:07] | krushia: | i haven't found other ways |
| [00:35:28] | justinh: | firefox for web browsing.. |
| [00:36:06] | justinh: | web browsing on a TV is pretty pointless, whatever resolution your TV is |
| [00:36:13] | justinh: | unless you sit 2 feet away from it |
| [00:36:27] | clever: | yeah |
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| [00:36:39] | clever: | even xterm on the tv is painfull with 3 foot fonts |
| [00:36:43] | krushia: | this is a projector, and web browsing is just a fluff feature |
| [00:36:57] | krushia: | main purpose is games and music |
| [00:37:23] | gbee: | well go for it then, just ignore everyone else |
| [00:37:48] | krushia: | i picked mythtv for the menu system. i thought it was completely customizable, only now do i see that the tv part is so tightly integrated |
| [00:38:07] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [00:38:14] | gbee: | personally I might not use mythmusic if I wasn't already using mythtv for TV, fundamentally there is nothing really wrong with mythmusic it's just that in 0.21 the UI sucks a little |
| [00:38:43] | gbee: | in 0.22 I hope that it will be 100x better |
| [00:38:48] | kormoc: | krushia, you call adding two comment blocks to remove the menu entries 'tightly integrated'? |
| [00:39:04] | justinh: | there's not much wrong with mythmusic now IMHO |
| [00:39:15] | gbee: | or time dependant, at least 10% better ;) |
| [00:39:16] | krushia: | kormoc: no, the database, tvcard stuff, etc |
| [00:39:28] | clever: | kormoc: you still need to run a whole mysql and mythbackend to get a simple menu |
| [00:39:36] | krushia: | everything is a plugin except for tv |
| [00:39:47] | kormoc: | krushia, why do you care about having a few extra empty tables? |
| [00:39:54] | justinh: | reminds me of another thing I wanted to look at.. make mythmusic's smart searching type stuff available to other parts of myth |
| [00:40:06] | gbee: | justinh: no, like I say, fundamentally it's sound but it's just not quite as intuitive as most people would like |
| [00:40:28] | gbee: | someone was asking after a similar feature for mythvideo yesterday |
| [00:40:54] | justinh: | yeh well it's been on my list for ages |
| [00:41:02] | justinh: | I'd like it in the program finder too |
| [00:41:51] | gbee: | krushia: MythTV, as the name suggests is a TV playing/recording application which happens to have a number of plugins to enhance functionality and create more of a media centre |
| [00:42:49] | gbee: | in future some of those plugins, video/music/photos may be merged into the main application |
| [00:43:27] | krushia: | yeah i realize that now |
| [00:45:30] | yalu: | ok ... somehow I got the whole lot set up and linked together (getting the thing to scan channels is painful with a nova-t usb tuner is painful btw) |
| [00:45:57] | yalu: | but what does it mean that "I can't get a channel lock" when trying to watch live tv? |
| [00:46:22] | justinh: | means it can't get a channel lock |
| [00:46:32] | yalu: | it's a bit chinese to me :-) |
| [00:46:50] | justinh: | you might just need to increase the timeout value in mythtv-setup so that it waits longer for the tuner to get a lock onto a signal |
| [00:47:46] | yalu: | justinh: I thought a full 6 seconds would be long enough |
| [00:48:06] | gbee: | justinh: as part of my idea to create a demos of mythtv apeing other applications I had a look at screenshots of Elisa today, I was really quite disappointed to find something that visually is quite unambitious – it might have smooth scrolling, but aside from that the UI is nothing that that couldn't have been done with myth already |
| [00:48:31] | justinh: | gbee: yup. all that fanfare and for what? it sucks pigs |
| [00:49:13] | gbee: | in fact it's a cross between Neon-wide and Project Greyhem without the character of either |
| [00:49:46] | justinh: | it has to be seen in real life to be believed |
| [00:49:53] | iamlindoro: | And that's if you can get it to keep running |
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| [00:50:26] | gbee: | I did however pick out a screen I'll copy |
| [00:50:30] | justinh: | whee xbmc still won't start, so I won't be nicking any ideas from there |
| [00:51:20] | justinh: | bloody charlatans |
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| [00:53:04] | iamlindoro: | gbee, How hard would an inversion mask be? |
| [00:53:14] | justinh: | iamlindoro: XOR ? |
| [00:53:48] | gbee: | iamlindoro: meaning? |
| [00:54:00] | iamlindoro: | invert all colors in the masked area |
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| [00:54:20] | gbee: | right, that's what I though you meant |
| [00:54:26] | iamlindoro: | <mask type="invert">somefile.jpg</mask> |
| [00:54:28] | iamlindoro: | or something |
| [00:54:46] | gbee: | dunno, I'll have to look at QImage |
| [00:55:02] | iamlindoro: | no pressure, was just curious if it would be simple to add |
| [00:55:31] | iamlindoro: | Looking at something like this and while not copying it, thinking about the utility of it: http://img.w3dizajn.net/images/aeon55cl.jpg |
| [00:55:38] | gbee: | Could be a simple method call if QT have something in their API, or it might be a lot more work |
| [00:56:01] | iamlindoro: | although obviously simply changing the text values and using an image makes that particular thing possible right now |
| [00:56:13] | justinh: | iamlindoro: that's prolly just what they did anyway |
| [00:56:23] | gbee: | it is |
| [00:56:59] | gbee: | but I think I can see what you mean |
| [00:57:02] | iamlindoro: | oh well, not important, I'm not asking for a one by one recreation of photoshop filters ;) |
| [00:57:15] | iamlindoro: | Next up: Lens flare! |
| [00:57:34] | gbee: | let me sleep on it, I'd really like to be in before before the clock hits 1am |
| [00:57:44] | iamlindoro: | naw, nothing I'd want to use right now anyway |
| [00:57:51] | iamlindoro: | was thinking in terms of when animation for menus hits |
| [00:57:56] | gbee: | just because I've not managed it at all so far this week |
| [00:58:00] | iamlindoro: | to have things slide into the area would be sex-ay |
| [00:58:30] | justinh: | god is that the time? |
| [00:58:46] | iamlindoro: | Ha, just looked at aeon's animation there |
| [00:58:59] | iamlindoro: | They switch to black before the slide... just do it quick so you don't see how ugly it is |
| [00:59:46] | justinh: | so is aeon an actual thing now? |
| [01:00:01] | iamlindoro: | Has been for a long while AFAIK |
| [01:00:38] | iamlindoro: | whee, flick the mousewheel and it scrolls forever, yay XBMC |
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| [01:05:52] | Shadow____X: | hmm |
| [01:06:01] | Shadow____X: | maybe i should look at this thing you call xbmc |
| [01:06:10] | iamlindoro: | Sounds appealing, don't it? |
| [01:07:44] | justinh: | it's now named like LCD Display |
| [01:07:51] | justinh: | xbox media center media center |
| [01:08:18] | Shadow____X: | hmm |
| [01:08:20] | Shadow____X: | maybe |
| [01:09:04] | iamlindoro: | Yay for the department of redundancy department! |
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| [01:12:21] | psm321: | hi |
| [01:13:03] | psm321: | is it generally a recommended precaution to do a db dump/reload for mysql minor revisions? (i'm going to do a dump anyway for backup, but wondering whether i should bother with the reload) |
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| [01:23:17] | justinh: | iamlindoro: dunno quite what is meant by 'consistent' in the aeon site blurb but it seems to me the clock/date panel isn't always in the same place on every screen :-S |
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| [01:26:48] | iamlindoro: | justinh, consistent use of copyrighted material, of course ;) |
| [01:27:42] | iamlindoro: | "XBMC! We can turn your The.Dark.Crystal.xvid.l0l-torrent.torrent into something that resembles actually owning it!" |
| [01:28:22] | justinh: | quite |
| [01:28:56] | justinh: | well, bedtimery :) |
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| [01:55:17] | poodyp: | anyone know how well a Pentium D 2.6Ghz will do against HD? |
| [01:56:07] | jamesd: | poodyp, make sure you have an nvidia card... it will help since the cpu isn't stellar. dual or quad core would be much better |
| [01:56:29] | poodyp: | I'm just asking because this computer fell into my lap |
| [01:57:14] | poodyp: | kinda hurt because it's steel but I was just wondering how well it'd do |
| [02:01:15] | wylie: | is anyone using a USB-UIRT for IR transmitting? if so, any recommended sellers? I was just looking at usbuirt.com but didn't look to have Linux support |
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| [02:14:09] | wylie: | resend: (got disconnected for some reason) is anyone using a USB-UIRT for IR transmitting? if so, any recommended sellers? I was just looking at usbuirt.com but didn't look to have Linux support |
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| [02:29:28] | SlicerDicer: | XvMCNVIDIA <--- thoughts? |
| [02:30:19] | iamlindoro: | Why not ask our thoughts on the letter Q or the number 57? |
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| [02:31:05] | jduggan: | aah, the old 57 |
| [02:31:08] | jduggan: | excellent choice |
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| [02:34:14] | SlicerDicer: | iamlindoro: well if anybody has used it and what there thoughts may be? |
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| [02:34:28] | SlicerDicer: | I thought it was clear? either you know what it is or you dont ;-) |
| [02:34:53] | iamlindoro: | We generally try to encourage complete sentences and coherent thoughts in here |
| [02:34:57] | iamlindoro: | helps keep out the riffraff |
| [02:35:25] | SlicerDicer: | ahh yes as I am absolutely riffraff... righto I get it |
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| [02:37:30] | SlicerDicer: | Chances are if you had used it you would have one had to specify --enable-xvmc-opengl and also specified --xvmc-lib=XvMCNVIDIA thus my query. I am quite sure it would have made sense no? |
| [02:37:57] | iamlindoro: | Actually, you don't need to pass it --xvmc-lib at all |
| [02:38:03] | iamlindoro: | presuming it's properly set up |
| [02:38:13] | iamlindoro: | configure will take care of it for you |
| [02:38:17] | SlicerDicer: | you presume too much about linux |
| [02:38:25] | iamlindoro: | Umm, no, I speak from experience, actually |
| [02:38:38] | SlicerDicer: | I speak from experience actually too! wow what a novel concept |
| [02:38:47] | iamlindoro: | yes dear |
| [02:39:19] | SlicerDicer: | I am going to go away now before I get banned from the channel for losing my shit... no need to be a total dick everytime I come here iamlindoro seriously |
| [02:39:24] | SlicerDicer: | get a life |
| [02:39:28] | iamlindoro: | yes dear |
| [02:40:01] | iamlindoro: | and watch your language |
| [02:40:06] | SlicerDicer: | die |
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| [02:40:37] | iamlindoro: | hahaha |
| [02:40:58] | larzen: | Folks.. are there any examples of running a custom script that will take the raw mpeg stream, cut out all commercials and output another raw mpeg file w/o the commercials in it? |
| [02:41:06] | larzen: | i am looking for a custom job that does this. |
| [02:41:31] | iamlindoro: | larzen, There are examples in the "removing commercials" article on the wiki |
| [02:41:40] | larzen: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Script_-_RemoveCommercials |
| [02:41:45] | iamlindoro: | but you will still need mythcommflag to commflag, create the cutlist, and mythtranscode to cut them out |
| [02:42:06] | iamlindoro: | Can't just do it on the fly from the /dev node or anything |
| [02:42:08] | larzen: | I found that script... i _think_ this does what I need it to do. |
| [02:42:14] | larzen: | no no, i realize ;) |
| [02:42:40] | larzen: | the show has to record, then the commercials get nuked. |
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| [02:54:26] | PMantis: | Hi everyone. I saw an article somewhere that I can't find now that I need it. I ripped a movie so I could take it back on time, watch it later. But when I play I get the director's commentary, not the audio from the movie. How can I remove the wrong audio tracks so Myth has no choice but to play the audio from the actual movie? |
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| [02:55:02] | PMantis: | ...or test the avi file to *see* how many tracks are there? |
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| [02:58:31] | ViperSBT: | Good evening... I just upgraded from a Vizio to a Sony Bravia.... And now I can't get my screen/modeline/etc quite right... Anyone care to help? |
| [02:59:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | ViperSBT: Does your TV have HDMI input? If so, connect your myth box via a DVI -> HDMI cable, and no modeline needed. |
| [02:59:19] | ViperSBT: | Using nvidia driver, just installed latest version to be sure |
| [02:59:45] | ViperSBT: | I currently have both VGA and DVI connected to the Sony and getting similar problems on both inputs |
| [03:00:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | ViperSBT: try just DVI and re-boot. You may have to remove the modeline first though. |
| [03:00:35] | PMantis: | Ahhhhhhhhh, I found the article... finally. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythVide . . . _on_playback |
| [03:00:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | My 21.6" 1680x1050 monitor was detected perfectly with no modeline... |
| [03:00:47] | ViperSBT: | Currently getting "failed to start x-server" |
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| [03:00:57] | larzen: | the custom commands... do they need to be fill paths? or relative? |
| [03:01:04] | ViperSBT: | OK, will try removing Modeline... |
| [03:01:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | With DVI you won't need it. ;-) |
| [03:01:42] | ViperSBT: | Before removing modeline this is what is in the log: |
| [03:01:43] | ViperSBT: | Fatal server error: no screens found (WW) xf86CloseConsole: KDSETMODE failed: Bad file descriptor (WW) xf86CloseConsole: VT_GETMODE failed: Bad file descriptor |
| [03:02:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | ViperSBT: Humm... strange – do you still have the VGA connected too? Maybe it's getting confused with both connected... |
| [03:06:38] | larzen: | damn.. i was hoping that someone has correctly set up a user job before |
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| [03:09:12] | ViperSBT: | OK, I am getting a KDE login on the VGA input, but a black screen on the DVI-HDMI... I could see the "text" portion of the boot-up on the DVI-HDMI, but as soon as went graphical it went black... |
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| [03:10:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | ViperSBT: But if you have both connected on bootup, it's probably going to default to the VGA. |
| [03:11:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | ViperSBT: I would shutdown (power off), connect only the DVI and boot up. |
| [03:11:31] | ViperSBT: | OK, BRB |
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| [03:15:06] | ViperSBT: | Jeff, that was just too simple!!! Thanks!!! |
| [03:15:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | ViperSBT: Told you it was simple... and it's at the native resolution too, right? ;-) |
| [03:24:40] | ViperSBT: | Yes, it is.... |
| [03:24:50] | ViperSBT: | How about an adio problem I've been having? |
| [03:25:53] | ViperSBT: | I switched over to my SPDIF output and am getting awesome digital sound out of my Watch TV, Recordings and videos that I have downloaded with 48k audio... But my MP3's and videos not recorded at 48k play no audio... |
| [03:28:56] | ViperSBT: | I've gone through the Wiki on setting up digital audio and there seems to be some mention about setting ALSA up to "resample" audio less than 48k up to 48k, but I can't figure that out... |
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| [03:39:20] | ViperSBT: | OK, maybe someone can answer this for me... When I play videos that were recorded at 720p I have no problems... When I play something recorded at 1080p it will play a few seconds and then hang for a moment, then continue playing for a few more seconds before it hangs again... This goes on and on... Question is, is this a sign that my system is not up to the task or simply that I needed a better graphics card? I upped m |
| [03:39:52] | poodyp1: | your processor isn't fast enough |
| [03:40:16] | poodyp1: | either get a faster processor or an nvidia video card capable of VDPAU |
| [03:40:50] | ViperSBT: | My video card is an nvidia GeForce 7 series |
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| [03:41:02] | poodyp1: | have you enabled VDPAU? |
| [03:41:19] | poodyp1: | er |
| [03:41:27] | poodyp1: | 8 series or better |
| [03:41:28] | ViperSBT: | My processor is an AMD Athlon 64 X2 2.2ghz |
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| [03:43:38] | ViperSBT: | So, you think moving off the onboard graphics to an 8 series or better would resolve this issue, or is my processor the cause? I can't put a faster processor in the MB, so I would be back to scratch... |
| [03:44:14] | poodyp1: | if you got an 8 series video card it'd decode the video in hardware |
| [03:44:48] | poodyp1: | you'd be able to use a VIA C3 if you wanted to (ignoring other programs that might want to run) |
| [03:44:53] | ViperSBT: | Any suggestions for best compatibilty in Fedora? |
| [03:45:21] | iamlindoro: | poodyp1, VDPAU is not intended for the average user yet |
| [03:45:45] | iamlindoro: | We shouldn't be advising *anyone* who is not a dev/contributor/advanced user to use it |
| [03:46:02] | iamlindoro: | Least of all because it can physically burn out cards |
| [03:46:17] | poodyp1: | ah, ok |
| [03:46:23] | ViperSBT: | Yeah, I wouldn't want to do that... |
| [03:46:45] | iamlindoro: | anyway, that system is too slow for 1080 material in linux. VDPAU will work, but not until the next release of myth |
| [03:47:19] | iamlindoro: | 1080p h.264 anyway. 1080i MPEG-2 broadcast HD should be doable |
| [03:47:47] | ViperSBT: | Man, I built it as heavy as I could a year ago.... :) |
| [03:48:02] | iamlindoro: | A year ago 8xxx series existed ;) |
| [03:48:13] | poodyp1: | what socket type does it use? |
| [03:48:18] | ViperSBT: | Well, I didn't no better... |
| [03:48:18] | iamlindoro: | (and were a year old already) |
| [03:48:49] | ViperSBT: | Not sure where I would find the socket type for ya... |
| [03:49:01] | poodyp1: | what type of CPU is it? |
| [03:49:04] | ViperSBT: | It is on an ASUS M2N-VM DVI |
| [03:49:34] | ViperSBT: | AMD socket AM2 |
| [03:50:22] | poodyp1: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103272 |
| [03:50:38] | ViperSBT: | My original MythTV is collecting dust and getting ready to go to the in-laws.... This was my second build.... |
| [03:50:38] | poodyp1: | that should be able to handle 1080p |
| [03:52:46] | ViperSBT: | poodyp1 would that work on my MB? |
| [03:53:21] | poodyp1: | don't see any reason why it wouldn't |
| [03:54:17] | ViperSBT: | Sweet.... Would I have to recompile/reinstall anything or is it just a swap out? |
| [03:54:40] | poodyp1: | same processor just faster |
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| [04:02:47] | ViperSBT: | Guys, thanks for all the help tonight.... |
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| [04:08:03] | sphery: | Strange... I had 3 systems (out of 7) and a friend had 1 system (out of 2) running exactly the same software (imaged copies, even), that all crashed at exactly Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 EST 2008 = Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 UTC 2009 = the second at which the leap second was inserted... |
| [04:08:27] | sphery: | But both the Linux kernel and NTP are supposed to handle leap seconds correctly. |
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| [04:10:19] | iamlindoro: | That's what you get for running ZuneLinux |
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| [04:10:36] | sphery: | Hmmm... Some folks on /, say they had a crash and others say they didn't... http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/01/1930202 |
| [04:11:27] | iamlindoro: | ew, statusbox.cpp is ooogly |
| [04:12:16] | sphery: | heh... zune linux. |
| [04:13:28] | jamesd: | of course to bring this back to topic... can the zune be a mythtv frontend? |
| [04:14:11] | iamlindoro: | Ugh, all the calculations of disk space/etc. are all done in one gigantic ugly function called doMachineStatus(), how useless |
| [04:14:27] | iamlindoro: | jamesd, Not sure if you're being facetious, but not that I know of |
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| [04:16:40] | jamesd: | i wasn't 100% kidding.. but the whole linux on everything demands the question if mythtv will run on it... including my toaster, washmachine, cellphone, ps3, xbox360, my car... ;-) |
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| [05:39:47] | PMantis: | With Ubuntu 8.10 on my laptop, mythfrontend uses about 60% of my processor, but is still quite jittery at times. Does anyone have an ideas for things to tweak? |
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| [05:47:45] | MoeGreen: | i think my network port went out, so i just threw in a PCI card. How can i tell knoppmyth to change settings? |
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| [05:49:04] | iamlindoro: | Myth doesn't care which interface it is, so long as it still has the same IP address. So just give the new card the same IP as the old one |
| [05:53:55] | Shadow____X: | i am having issues with samba and file shares |
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| [06:01:04] | cesman: | MoeGreen: change what settings? |
| [06:01:17] | cesman: | MoeGreen: #knoppmyth please |
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| [06:11:46] | psm321: | interesting, i just ended up with a larger db by dropping it and recreating from a (very recent, like now) backup |
| [06:11:58] | psm321: | and thats even with the guide data missing (didn't back it up) |
| [06:12:07] | psm321: | i expected the opposite if anything :) |
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| [06:26:16] | fuxxy: | What's the name of the frequencies table? |
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| [06:37:45] | psm321: | fuxxy: for dvb? |
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| [06:38:40] | fuxxy: | found it, I belive, dtv-multiplex |
| [06:39:05] | psm321: | yeah thats what it seems like |
| [06:41:13] | fuxxy: | well, so far so good. |
| [06:41:26] | fuxxy: | now, I belive the only setback is reinstalling the frontend |
| [06:47:01] | Shadow____X: | ayone know of a linux donwload upload meter |
| [06:47:37] | wagnerrp: | ifstat |
| [06:48:02] | wagnerrp: | is command line only... theres any number of graphical meters |
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| [06:50:29] | Shadow____X: | hmm i am tr ying to find one |
| [06:50:47] | Shadow____X: | that gives me a view like netmeter but i am looking |
| [06:50:55] | Shadow____X: | installing ifstat right now though |
| [06:50:57] | wagnerrp: | any of the big performance stats apps have network traffic |
| [06:51:17] | Shadow____X: | yeah i know gkrellm has it |
| [06:51:21] | Shadow____X: | ido like ifstat though |
| [06:51:24] | Shadow____X: | thanks |
| [06:51:31] | Shadow____X: | just found smbstatus as well |
| [06:51:41] | wagnerrp: | xosview, xperfmon, gkrellm, conky |
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| [06:52:47] | Shadow____X: | xosview so old school i may actually install it |
| [06:52:47] | Shadow____X: | lol |
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| [06:53:34] | Shadow____X: | thanks wagnerrp |
| [06:53:50] | wagnerrp: | i use it occasionally on my firewall |
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| [07:01:47] | jbu311: | hi all, i'm ./configure'ing mythtv and it says i need lame mp3. Checking synaptic (i'm using ubuntu), I've made sure I have lame 3.98 and libmp3lame0; anyone know what's going on? I'm using the latest version of mythtv |
| [07:02:32] | oobe: | iamlindoro, ihave a question about using metacleanup.sh somtimes some tv episodes i download have to eps in a single file like a double episode is there a way to rename it to reflect this so it can grab full description from ragetv |
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| [07:32:24] | jbu311: | hi all, upon make'ing mythtv, i'm getting this error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXv |
| [07:32:25] | jbu311: | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| [07:32:25] | jbu311: | make[2]: *** [libmythupnp-0.21.so.0.21.0] Error 1 |
| [07:32:25] | jbu311: | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/jbu/programs/mythtv/mythtv-0.21/libs/libmythupnp' |
| [07:32:25] | jbu311: | make[1]: *** [sub-libmythupnp] Error 2 |
| [07:32:25] | jbu311: | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/jbu/programs/mythtv/mythtv-0.21/libs' |
| [07:32:27] | jbu311: | make: *** [sub-libs] Error 2 |
| [07:32:29] | jbu311: | ; anyone know what to do? |
| [07:32:31] | jbu311: | oops sorry for spam |
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| [07:47:21] | rooaus: | jbu311: This page is a bit out of date but should still be somewhat useful http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_F . . . Dependencies |
| [07:47:21] | jbu311: | rooaus, thanks |
| [07:47:21] | jbu311: | rooaus, even though make finished with errors, I tried "make install" anyway and it seems to be working...does that sound odd? |
| [07:47:21] | rooaus: | yes, I would expect some problems at some stage. Have you removed all previously installed binary versions of myth? |
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| [07:49:23] | jbu311: | yes, this is my first time |
| [07:49:33] | jbu311: | rooaus, that link you provided really helped |
| [07:49:59] | jbu311: | it fixed that one error i had |
| [07:50:22] | jbu311: | there are dependencies listed on that page that aren't listed in mythtv installation documentation |
| [07:50:29] | rooaus: | jbu311: If you find any errors or if it needs updating etc. can you fix it or at least let me know? |
| [07:51:28] | jbu311: | rooaus, sure, I'll try, I doubt I'll be of use though |
| [07:51:42] | rooaus: | jbu311: That is the case, I created that page from a clean minimal install. |
| [07:52:13] | jbu311: | rooaus, are you a developer? |
| [07:52:16] | rooaus: | Even if you have more compile errors that require a new/different dependency, as you can see that was for feisty. |
| [07:52:24] | rooaus: | No, just a user |
| [07:52:32] | jbu311: | i have 8.10 intrepid ibex |
| [07:58:44] | CCFL_Man: | c-span 3 seems unencrypted |
| [07:58:56] | Shadow____X: | yay cspan |
| [08:04:26] | CCFL_Man: | c-span3 in dvb unencrypted on AMC10 at 135W |
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| [08:04:43] | CCFL_Man: | 4067MHz 5000 1/2 |
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| [08:37:33] | orthoevra: | hi all :) spent 4.5 hours on this figured i would give the brians here a shot.. i cant get myth to finish scanning channels, it gets stuck at 11% and east all my CPU forever i have to force kill it, any ideas? |
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| [08:38:02] | orthoevra: | so i have no channels, and cant watch tv :( |
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| [08:39:31] | orthoevra: | (>_<) |
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| [08:53:01] | EnderTheThird: | do any of the larger chain electronics stores recycle old computer parts, laptops, etc? i'm cleaning out my old hardware that's not worth keeping anymore. |
| [08:53:18] | ** orthoevra shrugs ** | |
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| [08:54:27] | EnderTheThird: | heh. and in all my old hardware i didn't have a single pci video card. bummer because my bro's HP doesn't have AGP and i'm trying to get it going as a Myth Box. |
| [09:02:06] | wagnerrp: | i have a fair bit of missing parts |
| [09:03:04] | EnderTheThird: | i have 3 or 4 extra 10/100 ethernet cards though |
| [09:03:20] | wagnerrp: | parts that i know ive bought, but at some point in time were handed off to a friend with no recollection |
| [09:04:04] | EnderTheThird: | yeah, i know the feeling |
| [09:04:17] | EnderTheThird: | i think my cousin has at least one of my hdmi and optical audio cables. |
| [09:04:47] | wagnerrp: | dont i have a sata controller? oh wait, i gave that to my old roommate... |
| [09:05:24] | EnderTheThird: | haha, and it's the little crap like that that you always need. they're cheap, but newegg's shipping has been crazy lately |
| [09:06:44] | wagnerrp: | i KNOW a while back, i bought a pair of PCI radeons |
| [09:06:54] | wagnerrp: | i couldnt find either one of them |
| [09:07:22] | EnderTheThird: | i could use one of those. too bad you didn't lend it to me and forget about it, heh. stupid intel graphics on this thing is completely castrated |
| [09:07:26] | wagnerrp: | this christmas, my cousin asks me to walk him though getting the drivers set up on said card again after he had reinstalled |
| [09:07:42] | EnderTheThird: | can't do opengl, and it sucks using QT on a 1200 MHz Celeron. |
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| [09:07:56] | EnderTheThird: | haha, and did you help him? |
| [09:07:57] | wagnerrp: | well i wouldnt expect anything out of a radeon |
| [09:08:17] | EnderTheThird: | just about anything is better than what's onboard this thing |
| [09:08:43] | wagnerrp: | i told him, 'go to windows update. look for something called "dot net framework"' |
| [09:08:50] | orthoevra: | if my tuner works in tvtime why when i select "watch tv" in mythtv does it just blink the screen and do nothing |
| [09:08:57] | EnderTheThird: | ATI's radeon drivers are supposed to be much better now though, aren't they? i haven't had a radeon since i started using linux almost 3 years, ago, so i have no idea |
| [09:09:27] | EnderTheThird: | orthoevra: run mythfrontend from command-line and see if it gives you anything useful when you try to watch tv |
| [09:09:47] | wagnerrp: | supposed to be...but a steaming pile of feces stuffed into your computer is better than their old drivers |
| [09:09:59] | orthoevra: | EnderTheThird: trying |
| [09:10:02] | wagnerrp: | orthoevra: actually, the backend logs are usually more telling |
| [09:10:19] | wagnerrp: | if youre using the standard init scripts, they will likely be in /var/log/mythtv |
| [09:10:30] | wagnerrp: | its often times something like file permissions |
| [09:10:42] | EnderTheThird: | or that. CLI is a good start for me, in case it's something simple (like when myth couldn't read/write to my .mythtv folder) |
| [09:11:36] | orthoevra: | Using protocol version 40 the GetEntryAt(-1) failed failed to get pginfo LiveTV no succesfully started |
| [09:12:00] | orthoevra: | nothing helpful to me in that :) |
| [09:12:18] | EnderTheThird: | me neither, heh. |
| [09:12:33] | wagnerrp: | do you have backend logs? |
| [09:12:44] | orthoevra: | one sec |
| [09:14:19] | orthoevra: | nothign suspicious starting backend... so far the only strange thing i get is myth-setup locks up doing a channel scan would not having scanned channels stop me from starting the LiveTV? |
| [09:14:37] | wagnerrp: | not having channels would be a big problem |
| [09:14:48] | EnderTheThird: | what tuner are you using? |
| [09:14:49] | wagnerrp: | is this a digital tuner on a machine with multiple cores? |
| [09:14:56] | orthoevra: | i added a few manually but im not sure if i still need to do a scan or not |
| [09:15:10] | orthoevra: | digital tuner (hauppauge 950) on single core machine |
| [09:15:22] | wagnerrp: | hyperthreaded? |
| [09:15:28] | orthoevra: | i know it works, because i have a laptop setup with it and it works great |
| [09:15:38] | orthoevra: | wagnerrp: dont think so its AMD |
| [09:15:56] | orthoevra: | AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ |
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| [09:16:06] | EnderTheThird: | you checked the wiki for that card? http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV_HVR-950 might have something useful there. there appear to be problems in Ubuntu Hardy if you're using that (8.04) |
| [09:17:14] | orthoevra: | ill take a look at the wiki, i know this card works, i can see channels (analog) in tvtime and myth gives me digital channels on my laptop with it, just cant scan on my desktop :( |
| [09:17:30] | ** orthoevra is running Fedora 8 on lappy and 10 on desk ** | |
| [09:18:57] | orthoevra: | yeh i did all that stuff on the wiki to get the firmware going... about to give in for the night starting to nod off |
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| [09:21:25] | EnderTheThird: | sorry i couldn't be more help. |
| [09:22:06] | orthoevra: | EnderThe Third: its ok :) it should be working its probly just something small i am overlooking or maybe even my anteanna |
| [09:22:49] | EnderTheThird: | yeah. just try screwing around in setup to see if you can get it to scan |
| [09:23:12] | EnderTheThird: | if it's not scanning there, i doubt you'll get it to tune in myth, even if you do manually set the channels |
| [09:23:50] | orthoevra: | it tries to scan.. just gets to the same spot every time and sits forever... going to wrestle with it tomorrow |
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| [09:25:18] | EnderTheThird: | heh, good luck |
| [09:26:35] | EnderTheThird: | anyone know how to force the use of a modeline? Ubuntu 8.10 is ignoring the one i entered in xorg.conf |
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| [10:09:52] | gbee: | EnderTheThird: could be ignoring it because you don't need a modeline – they are rarely required these days and not required at all for DVI/HDMI |
| [10:10:01] | gbee: | they don't work with TV-out either |
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| [10:10:40] | EnderTheThird: | gbee: it shouldn't be required, but stupid Toshiba still has about 1+ inches of overscan on each side for my HDMI inputs |
| [10:11:43] | EnderTheThird: | i'd like to try messing with it using xvidtune, but that's giving an error saying "unable to query monitor info" |
| [10:13:21] | gbee: | EnderTheThird: can't remember if I've already discussed this with you :) You've checked all the TV's aspect options? Which make of GPU? The ATi drivers support resizing and repositioning the image |
| [10:13:49] | EnderTheThird: | gbee: we might have. i seem to try again once every few months, heh. |
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| [10:14:28] | EnderTheThird: | TV's aspect options are no help, and overscan can't be adjusted on TV's side (even in the service menu). using 180.16 driver. |
| [10:14:32] | EnderTheThird: | GF 7600 |
| [10:18:08] | gbee: | hmm, Nvidia's overscan options are non-existant :( |
| [10:18:28] | gbee: | well you can rescale mythtv's window to fit the screen |
| [10:18:44] | EnderTheThird: | yeah, i do that now. |
| [10:19:25] | EnderTheThird: | but i use it as a desktop sometimes too, or at least via vnc because it's my main server with all my files |
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| [10:26:39] | gbee: | you could try the IgnoreEDID option |
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| [15:04:23] | yalu: | IT WOOOOOOOOORKS!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [15:04:27] | yalu: | *dances* |
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| [17:26:19] | kkuno: | hi |
| [17:26:26] | kkuno: | I have a problem with the lcdserver |
| [17:26:39] | kkuno: | I have set it to show only the big clock |
| [17:26:51] | kkuno: | and the active recordings |
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| [17:27:20] | kkuno: | but sometimes when I start the frontend it doesn't start |
| [17:27:46] | kkuno: | I have to watch live tv and then it starts |
| [17:27:57] | kkuno: | is it a known problem? |
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| [17:47:38] | ** SpaceBass is fustrated with over the air HD ** | |
| [17:47:46] | SpaceBass: | think I'm going to give up on ever getting ABC |
| [17:50:01] | mchou: | SpaceBass: how far ar you from the tower? |
| [17:50:09] | SpaceBass: | mchou, 7 miles |
| [17:50:28] | mchou: | flat land or cavernous? |
| [17:50:28] | SpaceBass: | no tall buildings, using a roof-top uhf/vhf antenna |
| [17:50:36] | SpaceBass: | flat |
| [17:50:52] | mchou: | on a rooftop antenna? |
| [17:50:55] | SpaceBass: | same tower array as most of our other channels, which are fin... |
| [17:50:59] | SpaceBass: | s/fin/fine |
| [17:51:08] | mchou: | 7 miles shouldnt be a problem then.... |
| [17:51:21] | SpaceBass: | this particular channel broadcasts at 2x the power as the others, so I ran around town to find attenuators ... still no luck |
| [17:51:32] | SpaceBass: | I'm convinced its something else...maybe a defect with the HDhomerun tuner |
| [17:51:41] | mchou: | ABC has 2x as much power? |
| [17:51:44] | SpaceBass: | maybe RF interfearance from something in the house |
| [17:52:02] | SpaceBass: | according to this: http://rabbitears.info/search.php?request=zip . . . amp;miles=60 |
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| [17:53:09] | SpaceBass: | found wattage the other day – not seeing it now |
| [17:54:24] | mchou: | "Signal" in tech details |
| [17:54:52] | SpaceBass: | regardless...I now hate ABC :D |
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| [17:56:16] | mchou: | tech details doesnt look excessive |
| [17:56:55] | SpaceBass: | 6db of attenuation didn't do anything ... just knocked the signal down |
| [17:56:58] | mchou: | looks in line with other stations, in fact |
| [17:57:09] | SpaceBass: | it literally pulses ... goes from 100% to 0% |
| [17:57:18] | SpaceBass: | almost rhythmically |
| [17:57:45] | mchou: | is it a multiple of 60 Hz? :) |
| [17:57:53] | SpaceBass: | is what? |
| [17:57:59] | mchou: | pulsing |
| [17:58:01] | SpaceBass: | still a total noob about rf |
| [17:58:12] | mchou: | time it |
| [17:58:20] | SpaceBass: | truthfully not sure – my pulsing analogy is anecdotal |
| [17:59:29] | SpaceBass: | what would a multiple of 60 Hz suggest? |
| [17:59:41] | mchou: | power line interference |
| [18:00:12] | SpaceBass: | now that may be likely |
| [18:00:45] | SpaceBass: | my "server closet" which is home to the tuner and coax cables is also the houses utility room where the breaker pannle is |
| [18:00:56] | SpaceBass: | but wouldnt I see that manafest itself on other channels? |
| [18:01:06] | mchou: | depends |
| [18:01:52] | mchou: | I think you have something else going on |
| [18:02:29] | mchou: | seriously, if it's only 7 miles try rabbit ears as sanity check |
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| [18:02:51] | mchou: | well, not actual rabbit ears |
| [18:03:08] | SpaceBass: | I have two other antennas that I bought as part of this process |
| [18:03:29] | mchou: | something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Philips-PM-HDTV1-Silver . . . p/B00022O9VM |
| [18:03:43] | SpaceBass: | I have the POS terk equivilent of that |
| [18:03:49] | mchou: | all antennas do the same thing? |
| [18:04:05] | SpaceBass: | can get a perfect signal with my elgato eyetv usb tuner and that antenna, but not with the HDhomerun |
| [18:04:26] | mchou: | hmm, interesting |
| [18:04:39] | SpaceBass: | in fact, I can strip a piece of coax and get a signal with the EyeTV |
| [18:04:45] | mchou: | then your assertion makes more sense |
| [18:05:09] | SpaceBass: | problem with the HDhomerun? |
| [18:05:20] | mchou: | yup |
| [18:05:56] | SpaceBass: | also have this: http://www.amazon.com/Eagle-Aspen-Dtv2Buhf-Di . . . 9&sr=8-9 |
| [18:05:56] | mchou: | HDHR tuner is quite old |
| [18:06:26] | SpaceBass: | thats what I understand |
| [18:06:29] | mchou: | elgato may be using a more modern sensitive tuner that has DSP on board |
| [18:06:49] | SpaceBass: | i have been told that by others |
| [18:07:04] | mchou: | SpaceBass: lol. if you have that antenna that's more than enough |
| [18:07:23] | mchou: | it's unlikely to be an issue with your antenna |
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| [18:08:07] | SpaceBass: | glad to rule that out :D |
| [18:08:10] | mchou: | for 7 miles that antenna is overkill |
| [18:08:22] | mchou: | but still good to have |
| [18:08:48] | SpaceBass: | you should see the one on my roof that Im currently using |
| [18:09:02] | mchou: | is it a channel master? |
| [18:09:10] | SpaceBass: | yeah |
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| [18:09:20] | mchou: | which model? |
| [18:09:22] | SpaceBass: | its the ufh/vhf combo |
| [18:09:23] | SpaceBass: | notsure |
| [18:09:41] | jamesd: | now if i could find someone to install that antenae on my house for less money than it costs... sorry i have a fear of heignts more specificly ladders and my house is 2 stories... |
| [18:09:46] | mchou: | is it a bigger version of the eagle aspen in appearance? |
| [18:10:09] | SpaceBass: | jamesd, I understand! I've spent more time on my roof tuning these than I care to recount |
| [18:10:20] | SpaceBass: | mchou, no, its what I call an alagator shape |
| [18:10:35] | mchou: | SpaceBass: OK |
| [18:10:50] | SpaceBass: | this isn't my pic, but looks like this http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll170/drew . . . elmaster.jpg |
| [18:11:03] | mchou: | cause the CM I'm talking about is good for over 60 miles :) |
| [18:11:37] | mchou: | I have no experience with yours |
| [18:11:42] | SpaceBass: | thats the thing, I'm hearing rumors of people in my area using the big CMs for stations 60 miles away |
| [18:11:45] | mchou: | but that looks fugly :) |
| [18:11:51] | SpaceBass: | its hideious |
| [18:11:56] | SpaceBass: | as is my spelling today |
| [18:12:17] | SpaceBass: | well, I think I've done my due diligence – next step is to call Silicone Dust |
| [18:12:30] | mchou: | yup |
| [18:12:42] | mchou: | ask them what's going on |
| [18:13:05] | mchou: | also if you know anyone else that owns HDHR in your vincinity..... |
| [18:13:20] | mchou: | ask them what the skinny is |
| [18:13:35] | SpaceBass: | one last test – plugging the HDHR into a conditioning UPS |
| [18:13:50] | mchou: | see if they have issues with ABC or any other channels |
| [18:14:03] | SpaceBass: | I dont know anyone else in my area that knows you can even get HD over the air...let alone about the HDHR...but maybe via online forums |
| [18:14:28] | mchou: | SpaceBass: what?? |
| [18:14:56] | mchou: | what kind of ass backwards place is this? |
| [18:15:03] | SpaceBass: | tell me about it |
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| [18:15:10] | SpaceBass: | I think thats the state of the general public at large |
| [18:15:22] | SpaceBass: | "but you have to have a cable box and special package to get HD" |
| [18:15:28] | mchou: | lol |
| [18:16:33] | jamesd: | SpaceBass, yeah... so i'm stuck using 2 pair of rabbit ears.. it gets me a good enough picture and i only have to tweak it to watch one channel.. the ant-amplifier over boosts the channel and the tuner refuses to think its a valid signal |
| [18:16:37] | mchou: | SpaceBass: I dont think people are as clueless as you think they are |
| [18:16:57] | mchou: | SpaceBass: check out avsforums |
| [18:17:11] | SpaceBass: | but the folks on avsforums are the minority |
| [18:17:13] | mchou: | SpaceBass: plenty of ppl from Richmond VA :) |
| [18:17:23] | SpaceBass: | yeah, I was active there for a while :D |
| [18:17:23] | jamesd: | mchou, you need to talk to more people.. most are idiots that only play at having some knowledge.. if in doubt take a job on the help desk for a week |
| [18:17:50] | mchou: | jamesd: lol. I generally agree with you |
| [18:17:56] | mchou: | plenty of posers |
| [18:18:21] | mchou: | but as a generalization not all folks are clueless |
| [18:18:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | jamesd: or talk to my wife... |
| [18:18:56] | jamesd: | mchou, i wish it was just limited to desktop users... but i have seen programmers that are just as lame.. it sucks when i'm debugging cobol code when i don't even know cobol, but i could tell them what is wrong with there code.. |
| [18:19:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | jamesd: She knows EVERYTHING, even things you can prove she doesn't know... [but, that's another channel... ;-) ] |
| [18:19:20] | mchou: | jamesd: yeah, I can relate |
| [18:20:05] | jamesd: | J-e-f-f-A, yes.. i know that.. the hard part is getting them to relize that she is full of it without getting in a major fight and keeping at least some level of sex in the relationship. |
| [18:20:14] | mchou: | hahaha |
| [18:20:49] | mchou: | you dont use the "yes dear" line? |
| [18:21:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | jamesd: What's that? |
| [18:21:16] | ** J-e-f-f-A mumbles. ** | |
| [18:21:32] | mchou: | just say "yes dear" to everything the SO says |
| [18:21:40] | jamesd: | J-e-f-f-A, of course the important thing is picking your fights.. and not getting bit in the arse later because you didn't set things right when i should of. |
| [18:21:43] | mchou: | keeps peace in the family |
| [18:22:24] | jamesd: | "can you record program X for me" yes dear... |
| [18:23:39] | jamesd: | "how come channel X isn't coming in, it was fine yesterday" ... what i want to say is how the fuck should i know... i didn't do anything its the tv that is having PMS today... but i have to say "i will work on it" |
| [18:23:51] | SpaceBass: | lol |
| [18:23:56] | mchou: | haha |
| [18:24:20] | mchou: | jamesd: you have issues :) |
| [18:24:45] | flohack_temp: | My audio is out of sync when watching LiveTv can someone lend me a hand? 'yes dear' does not count as an answer ;-) All the solutions google comes up with are related to hearing the sound from the tv card instead of the sound recorded by mythtv. I have a separate mythtv frontend, so that cannot be the problem. I'm using analogue TV BTW. |
| [18:25:07] | SpaceBass: | ok, ticket opened with the HDHR folks |
| [18:25:10] | jamesd: | thus is why getting an external antena is high on my list of things to do when i get another job... of course that job may involve me moving 3 months.. so its a loosing battle... |
| [18:25:15] | mchou: | flohack_temp: you are not SO |
| [18:25:38] | mchou: | flohack_temp: so you dont wvwn qualify for that answer :) |
| [18:25:43] | mchou: | even* |
| [18:26:11] | flohack_temp: | mchou: I would have spotted the subtle 'im not listening' tone anyway :-) |
| [18:26:39] | jamesd: | flohack_temp, you tell the SO that the problem will go away if i upgrade the system... 8GB of ram and a new quad core cpu and a 8xxx series nvidia card will surely solve the issue. |
| [18:26:43] | SpaceBass: | so – while I'm hear...anyone using MythExport and noticing problems with HD recordings? |
| [18:27:06] | justinh: | flohack_temp: you need to set your linux mixer to MUTE the audio input the tuner audio is plugged into and set the same input to CAPTURE. Like it says in the official mythtv documentation |
| [18:27:45] | flohack_temp: | justinh: But that is just to make sure you don't listen to live audio from the card isn't it? |
| [18:28:00] | justinh: | no |
| [18:28:12] | justinh: | it's also to make sure mythtv can capture the audio from the tuner |
| [18:28:21] | mchou: | lol |
| [18:28:42] | flohack_temp: | justinh: But I'm getting sound at my frontend computer and recordings are perfectly in sync |
| [18:29:00] | ** justinh goes back to not caring in that case ** | |
| [18:29:39] | flohack_temp: | justinh: Thanks anyway! Can someone else come up with an idea? |
| [18:29:47] | mchou: | yeah. |
| [18:29:55] | mchou: | dont watch live tv |
| [18:30:06] | mchou: | at least not with myth |
| [18:30:18] | justinh: | maybe you're using wireless & the network sucks |
| [18:30:18] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs ** | |
| [18:30:19] | flohack_temp: | :-) add this answer to the 'does not qualify as an answer' list |
| [18:30:29] | justinh: | maybe the frontend with issues is underpowered |
| [18:30:43] | justinh: | look at the output of mythfrontend -v playback for clues |
| [18:31:01] | flohack_temp: | justinh: Is there a difference between watching live tv and a recording for the frontend? |
| [18:31:15] | justinh: | not really |
| [18:31:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | flohack_temp: have you checked the Flux Capacitor? Sometimes those need adjusting. ;-) |
| [18:31:22] | justinh: | other than recording profiles |
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| [18:32:24] | fdlinux: | hi all |
| [18:32:47] | flohack_temp: | J-e-f-f-A|work: Yes, that one is fine...and I replaced the tape head yesterday |
| [18:32:49] | fdlinux: | anyone that can help with ivtv and s2ram , |
| [18:33:10] | fdlinux: | when i wake up from suspend tv wont work |
| [18:33:26] | flohack_temp: | justinh: Ok I'll check the recording profile for live tv and try with '-v playback', thanks! |
| [18:33:54] | fdlinux: | i read on google a file for unload_module but that doesn't work |
| [18:34:34] | justinh: | rmmod or modprobe -r $modulename |
| [18:34:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | flohack_temp: Check the calibration on the Flux Capacitor again — it needs to be within 1 Megavolt or you won't be able to generate the 1.21 Gigawatts necessary. |
| [18:35:25] | fdlinux: | i know that , but its not practical |
| [18:35:45] | flohack_temp: | J-e-f-f-A: And I thought this low power frontend will do with 30 Watts...should have spend my money somewhere else... |
| [18:35:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | fdlinux: I dunno... don't suspend here.... backend has the tuner cards, and is on 24x7.. |
| [18:36:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | flohack_temp: hehe... ;-) |
| [18:36:47] | fdlinux: | strange that nobody uses ivtv and s2ram |
| [18:37:19] | javatexan: | I hate time warner today, more than usual... :) |
| [18:37:22] | fdlinux: | it used to work but when going to 2.6.28 it didn't , |
| [18:37:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | fdlinux: So that sounds like a kernel or driver issue... |
| [18:37:45] | javatexan: | they are starting to "copy protect" all their digital programming |
| [18:38:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | javatexan: so no more Firewire for you? |
| [18:38:21] | javatexan: | nope...they never "found" a box that had it |
| [18:38:29] | javatexan: | they are all in "circulation" |
| [18:38:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | javatexan: Oh, so you're using a QAM tuner... |
| [18:39:21] | fdlinux: | so go to 2.6.27 , does that kernel have /proc/acpi/alarm |
| [18:39:30] | wagnerrp: | 'copy protect'? meaning they enabled some sort of no-copy flag on their branded DVRs? |
| [18:39:38] | javatexan: | no...I broke down and got a tivo...but now they are "copy protecting" anything worth saving off, even if its original airdate was 1965 |
| [18:40:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | javatexan: |
| [18:40:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | javatexan: Tivo? Ugh... I would have bought a HD-PVR... |
| [18:40:50] | javatexan: | I want to get a tuner card, but since haupp is not shipping theirs anymore, I've never heard of the others, although the pcHDTV HD-3000 sounds cool |
| [18:41:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | javatexan: that's really old, but works well. I have a HD-3000 and a HD-5500 that I replaced with a HDHomeRun Network tuner recently though... |
| [18:41:36] | javatexan: | J-e-f-f-A: the wife would go for the tivo...ya know how that goes |
| [18:41:36] | wagnerrp: | whats wrong with hauppauge? theyre not shipping their old PVRs, but then no one else is shipping analog encoder cards either |
| [18:42:34] | javatexan: | J-e-f-f-A: how do you like your HDHomeRun? |
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| [18:42:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | javatexan: Well, I have Dish Network, and 2 dish PVRs, but my wife has just started to use the Myth frontend in the Living room. Good thing I have 3TB to play with – she's started recording all sorts of weird stuff... |
| [18:42:43] | javatexan: | wagnerrp: wow really, I thought it was just haup |
| [18:42:59] | javatexan: | LOL...mine tooo |
| [18:43:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | javatexan: HDHR is great. ;-) it frees up 2 pci slots too. ;-) |
| [18:43:24] | javatexan: | very true |
| [18:43:33] | wagnerrp: | the higher end hauppagues still have encoders, but only the 1600 works with mythtv, and thats apparently a bit buggy |
| [18:43:45] | javatexan: | wow |
| [18:43:46] | wagnerrp: | everyone else just ships framegrabbers, attached to their digital cards |
| [18:44:03] | javatexan: | ah |
| [18:45:19] | javatexan: | J-e-f-f-A: how would that work with time warner, is that what you have too? My TWC is switching to switched digital service in Feb...would that break the homerun? |
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| [18:47:13] | wagnerrp: | the HDHR really only works with local channels, whether you get that through an antenna or cable |
| [18:47:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | javatexan: It tunes both ATSC (over-the-air HD) and QAM (Cable HD), but only non-encrypted QAM. Chances are that everything but locals will be encrypted, and we're seeing that often the locals are encrypted too, though it's illegal for them to do so... |
| [18:47:22] | wagnerrp: | cable providers nearly always encrypt everything else |
| [18:47:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^^ yep, shorter & sweeter. ;-) |
| [18:47:48] | javatexan: | wow |
| [18:47:54] | wagnerrp: | and regardless of what time warner does to their network, they cannot prevent you from getting those local channels over cable |
| [18:48:00] | wagnerrp: | thats an FCC requirement |
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| [18:48:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | javatexan: so my HDHR is used for ATSC OTA Hd... |
| [18:49:36] | javatexan: | they had to release some converter box for the tivo to used the switched digital crap...it now takes the 2 tuner cards + the converter to get the signal on the tivos...They are really trying to squeeze Tivo/Mythtv/etc right out of this area....eh? |
| [18:50:27] | ** J-e-f-f-A wonders what the converter does... ** | |
| [18:51:04] | javatexan: | it pretends to be a cable box...and tells the card where to look for the switched channel |
| [18:51:16] | javatexan: | or that is my understanding |
| [18:51:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | javatexan: so it's just a Set-Top Box? |
| [18:52:42] | javatexan: | not quite...but yeah sort of... the tivo makes a channel request via the cable card, the converter then plays the station where the card thinks it should be.... |
| [18:52:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | If that's the case, it's the same thing I do with Myth — I have 4 Dish SD STB's, 3 connected to MythTV through Hauppauge PVR mpeg2 encoders. |
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| [18:54:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | javatexan: sounds overyly complex to me... unless the box is a way of 'calling home' for the TiVO that doesn't exist in the tivo hardware – that's probably what it is, so they can log what you're watching. |
| [18:55:16] | javatexan: | I am thinking about just saying to heck with the tivo and try to put pressure on them to provide HD boxes that Myth can use the Firewire interface...not sure how to do that properly though...My TWC is not very technically savy...I have to call them from time to time to have them send hits to their cards because they made changes with out informing the cable cards....sheesh....I wish they would just give me a ssh .... I'll fix it :) |
| [18:56:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | javatexan: good luck with that. They'd have to provide firewire-enabled boxes, but it doesn't have to be non-encrypted. |
| [18:56:22] | javatexan: | lovely |
| [18:57:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | javatexan: And the ones that are lucky enough to have non-encrypted firewire ports are getting switched to encrypted as time goes on... so it may last a while, or a week, or be encrypted right from the start... |
| [18:57:29] | javatexan: | wow...I wonder why they don't have any trouble with VCRs....peeps have been doing this a long time, recording shows they want to watch for later...why all the fuss now? |
| [18:57:44] | javatexan: | great.... |
| [18:57:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | javatexan: If it wasn't encrypted, I would have had firewire STB's a few years ago... |
| [18:58:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | javatexan: Because that's a lossy analog recording. |
| [18:58:05] | wagnerrp: | the fuss now is that its easy to maintain control over the user |
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| [18:58:31] | wagnerrp: | its got nothing to do with analog vs. digital, its just ease on their part |
| [18:58:50] | javatexan: | my TWC is unaware that their boxes can have the firewire even turned on. The manager here thought I was saying firewall instead of firewire |
| [18:59:20] | javatexan: | it was a hoot |
| [18:59:38] | wagnerrp: | its not like you have anything like an exact copy of the master |
| [19:00:15] | javatexan: | yep |
| [19:00:25] | wagnerrp: | you dont even have an exact copy of the master feed |
| [19:00:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | !seen iamlindoro |
| [19:00:29] | MythLogBot: | iamlindoro is here and has been idle for 8 hours 32 minutes 39 seconds |
| [19:00:58] | javatexan: | exactly....our TWC is compressing stuff so much, its beginning to pixelate badly... |
| [19:01:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, but a copy of the exact digital signal from the cableco is much higher quality than an analog capture. |
| [19:02:14] | javatexan: | true....and tivo does such weird stuff with the feeds they get with resolution changes and even progressive from about 24fps upto 29 so it makes it more jittery when you transcode it |
| [19:02:14] | wagnerrp: | if you get a nice capture, most viewers wouldnt know the difference |
| [19:02:41] | wagnerrp: | weird stuff? all TV is 60fps |
| [19:02:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | javatexan: Yeah, dish does that with the Locals... Everything else is 544x480, with ppv sometimes 640x480, but the locals are in 480x480... yuck. (Mind you, this is only the SD dish stuff...) |
| [19:03:11] | javatexan: | J-e-f-f-A: thats pretty close to here too |
| [19:03:41] | wagnerrp: | or 30fps for interlaced material, depending on your terminology |
| [19:03:51] | wagnerrp: | there are not 24fps broadcasts |
| [19:04:05] | javatexan: | 480x480 at progressive from 24 to 29 fps...mencoder hates doing it..it switches constantly during the conversions |
| [19:04:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | javatexan: HD dish is 720p and 1080i/p – at least I hear the PPV/on-demand stuff is 1080p |
| [19:04:29] | javatexan: | wagnerrp: 24 is what mencoder reports to the screen as the source |
| [19:04:51] | wagnerrp: | well thats almost assuredly wrong |
| [19:05:02] | wagnerrp: | i seriously doubt tivo is doing some sort of auto-ivtc |
| [19:05:17] | javatexan: | demux_mpg: 30000/1001fps NTSC content detected, switching framerate. |
| [19:05:17] | javatexan: | Pos:6857.2s 175768f (95%) 22.83fps Trem: 6min 1408mb A-V:0.013 [1518:127] |
| [19:05:35] | wagnerrp: | so its 29.97fps |
| [19:05:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | US Film is 24fps – when they convert it to TV, they typically double every 5th frame iirc... |
| [19:05:37] | javatexan: | demux_mpg: 24000/1001fps progressive NTSC content detected, switching framerate. |
| [19:05:37] | javatexan: | Pos:6857.5s 175776f (95%) 22.83fps Trem: 5min 1408mb A-V:0.005 [1518:127] |
| [19:06:19] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: not true, that would cause weird skipping issue |
| [19:06:40] | javatexan: | it alternates between those two switches over and over |
| [19:07:04] | wagnerrp: | they take it through a process called telecining, in which its interlaced, and then two of the fields are repeated, creating a fifth frame |
| [19:07:21] | javatexan: | I think I hardup it back to 29 |
| [19:07:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: and it does often... when playing at full-speed, you can't typically see it. If you play an old VHS tape with a vcr with frame-accurate stepping, you'll see every 5th frame is doubled. |
| [19:07:43] | javatexan: | sorry don't remember my mencoder speak all that well |
| [19:08:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Ok, so they're doing basically the same thing, but creating a 'tweened' frame now... |
| [19:08:33] | javatexan: | my encodings always have trouble in high speed panning...you can detect it |
| [19:09:07] | javatexan: | ever so slightly |
| [19:09:23] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: basically, their not doubling one full frame, but two half frames |
| [19:10:06] | javatexan: | bbsoon....wife is calling for lunch... |
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| [19:10:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | javatexan: What are we having? ;-) |
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| [19:13:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, doesn't suprise me. I had a high-end VCR back in 1990, and could step one frame at a time... suprised me at first to see every 5th frame doubled. At first I thought I didn't press the 'step' button, but then I noticed a pattern... ;-) |
| [19:15:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: and iirc, HD has 24FPS in it's spec, right? |
| [19:16:05] | wagnerrp: | hmm... seems it does... |
| [19:16:56] | wagnerrp: | im surprised ive never seen any 720/1080p24 broadcasts |
| [19:17:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I think it's too 'new' yet... ;-) |
| [19:17:20] | wagnerrp: | considering most pre-recorded tv shows anymore are TC'd 1080i60 |
| [19:17:50] | wagnerrp: | when i store them off, i IVTC them and store them off as 1080p24 |
| [19:18:06] | wagnerrp: | when i transcode them... |
| [19:22:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ugh, I'm still a N00B apparently... built a fresh FC10 system for development, and can't find something simple, like "lame-devel' ... Yikes... |
| [19:23:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | Oh well, time to break for lunch anyways... ;-) |
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| [19:26:40] | Anduin: | J-e-f-f-A: rpm.fusion.org |
| [19:26:51] | wylie: | anyone else having problems with trunk pushing mythbackend cpu utilization to 100%? |
| [19:27:04] | wylie: | --- when viewing recorded programs w/ mythweb |
| [19:28:15] | Anduin: | wylie: does it stay there? |
| [19:28:23] | wylie: | yep |
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| [19:28:27] | jamesd: | hmm that sounds wierd.. it should just be streaming... 7GB/hr or something a p2 could do. |
| [19:29:37] | wylie: | i noticed it started doing this a couple of weeks ago, so i stopped using mythweb to view recordings (~2 weeks ago). i should add that the recordings never show up on mythweb either — but cpu for backend sits at 100% and stays there |
| [19:30:06] | wylie: | i've updated trunks about every two days — haven't seen updates to mythweb in a while |
| [19:31:23] | wylie: | since i'm not recording or viewing anything for a bit — i'll let it chug on recordings for an hour and see what happens |
| [19:34:03] | Anduin: | should get a few backtraces while at 100% of the backend, preview generation is the traditional culprit |
| [19:35:14] | wylie: | will do — my thought was preview generation, as well. would it be how i have preview generation setup on the frontend — is one setting less likely to cause problems then another [i seem to rmbr this being the case] |
| [19:36:49] | EnderTheThird: | anyone have any ideas why myth's internal player would freeze while playing a dvd iso? it shows the FBI warning and then just gets stuck there. plays fine in VLC, but the internal player is way easier when using the remote and whatnot |
| [19:36:59] | Anduin: | I don't believe so, the frontend setting controls whether the frontend request it, I believe mythweb always does |
| [19:37:45] | Anduin: | EnderTheThird: can you quickly go to the DVD root menu? or chaper select around it? |
| [19:38:01] | EnderTheThird: | Anduin: i'll try again real quick. it was freezing on me before. |
| [19:38:06] | EnderTheThird: | one sec, it's a different computer |
| [19:40:22] | EnderTheThird: | Anduin: no dice. weird thing is i can press m and bring up the OSD menu in myth's player, but selecting the root menu does nothing. i also can't back out of it, i have to shutdown mythfrontend |
| [19:40:58] | psm321: | does mythtv care what engine my mysql tables are using? (i want to try out innodb) |
| [19:43:21] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt think so. you might want to check with kormoc, he seems to be rather knowledgeable with mysql |
| [19:47:49] | justinh: | wagnerrp: why do you reduce the framerate? |
| [19:48:30] | wagnerrp: | smaller storage, no data loss |
| [19:49:10] | justinh: | apart from shows not shot at 24fps originally ;-) |
| [19:49:36] | wagnerrp: | well i obviously only do it on shows that are blatently telecined |
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| [19:54:02] | edandanumber: | Hi, I'm having a problem with my system hanging while recording... the backend logs are filled with gigs worth of frame sync errors . Anyone have any thoughts on whats happening and how to fix it? The disk doesn't fill, so thats not actually the problem. |
| [19:54:17] | wagnerrp: | sync errors? |
| [19:54:25] | wagnerrp: | pastebin a couple lines |
| [19:55:16] | edandanumber: | I've deleted the logs, but this is an identical (other than timestamp) log someone had posted on a forum: |
| [19:55:19] | edandanumber: | 2008-11–06 19:59:14.461 [ac3 @ 0x6eea9a0]frame sync error |
| [19:55:19] | edandanumber: | 2008-11–06 19:59:14.461 [ac3 @ 0x6eea9a0]frame sync error |
| [19:55:19] | edandanumber: | 2008-11–06 19:59:14.462 [ac3 @ 0x6eea9a0]frame sync error |
| [19:55:19] | edandanumber: | 2008-11–06 19:59:14.463 [ac3 @ 0x6eea9a0]frame sync error |
| [19:55:19] | edandanumber: | 2008-11–06 19:59:14.464 [ac3 @ 0x6eea9a0]frame sync error |
| [19:55:20] | edandanumber: | 2008-11–06 19:59:14.465 [ac3 @ 0x6eea9a0]frame sync error |
| [19:55:34] | wagnerrp: | pastebin, not paste |
| [19:55:38] | edandanumber: | 2008-11–06 19:59:14.465 [ac3 @ 0x6eea9a0]frame sync error |
| [19:55:38] | edandanumber: | 2008-11–06 19:59:14.466 [ac3 @ 0x6eea9a0]frame sync error |
| [19:55:38] | edandanumber: | 2008-11–06 19:59:14.474 [ac3 @ 0x6eea9a0]frame sync error |
| [19:55:38] | edandanumber: | 2008-11–06 19:59:14.475 [ac3 @ 0x6eea9a0]frame sync error |
| [19:55:53] | edandanumber: | *sorry* |
| [19:57:26] | edandanumber: | here it is... http://pastebin.com/m50049448 |
| [19:57:59] | edandanumber: | it seems to be a common problem if you google mythtv "frame sync error" but I couldn't find any threads or posts with replies |
| [19:59:00] | wagnerrp: | AFAIK, thats not a problem that would cause instability, just some pausing during playback to resync the streams |
| [20:00:26] | edandanumber: | yeah, it doesn't seem like it should be an issue |
| [20:00:53] | edandanumber: | the only thing is that its pretty much the only error in the log when it happens |
| [20:01:03] | edandanumber: | and there's lots of it (like I said, gigs) |
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| [20:04:52] | iamlindoro_: | jesus, those identical erors with slightly differing timestamps were helpful |
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| [20:08:45] | wagnerrp: | i really need to get my hard drive dock fixed... |
| [20:10:22] | yalu: | say, can I change the chanid by any other means than diving in the database? I want to align my channels by personal preference |
| [20:10:41] | EnderTheThird: | yalu: mythweb? |
| [20:10:42] | wagnerrp: | channel manager in mythtv-setup, settings in mythweb |
| [20:12:30] | yalu: | wagnerrp: it seems the number I can change there is the channum. which is not what you want, because that's the channel's frequency |
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| [20:13:56] | justinh: | you know you can order channels by number or by callsign |
| [20:14:04] | yalu: | but I think I'll configure mythweb, seems much easier. thanks. |
| [20:14:45] | justinh: | and just FYI the freqency is FREQID not channum |
| [20:14:50] | jams: | Mr iamlindoro_ any extra input for the settings stuff? Will probably be posting them to trac soon. |
| [20:15:32] | iamlindoro_: | jams, I'll be honest and say I really only played with it the first few days, but from talking to you it seems like you resolved the stuff I would have done differently |
| [20:15:41] | iamlindoro_: | jams, Sorry not to be more helpful :( |
| [20:15:57] | jams: | no trouble |
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| [20:16:54] | iamlindoro_: | jams, I've been swamped with a lot of the stuff I have been working on so I feel like I didn't put enough effort into really playing with it for you |
| [20:17:16] | jams: | Just looking to avoid several rounds ticket triage. |
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| [20:17:24] | yalu: | justinh: hmm, maybe for analog. because for dvb tuners, the freqid's are NULL. |
| [20:17:48] | justinh: | the channel number is just as irrelevant for digital too |
| [20:18:05] | iamlindoro_: | jams, IMO if anything it's 90% of the way there (although I have yet to have one of my complicated patches applied outright without some adjustment, so take anything I say with a grain of salt :) ) |
| [20:18:22] | justinh: | yalu: channel numbers are not used to identify the channel during broadcast anyway |
| [20:18:38] | justinh: | so you can freely change them to whatever you want |
| [20:19:21] | justinh: | though if you re-scan you'll lose your customisation obviously |
| [20:20:15] | iamlindoro_: | I cannot stop poking at this PBB even though I said I was going to leave it alone |
| [20:20:17] | iamlindoro_: | it's like a scab |
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| [20:26:38] | EvilGuru: | Does one still need to go into Windows to update the firmware of the HD PVR? (I read somewhere that newer revisions come with it loaded, but that there is also a new firmware which adds AC-3 muxing) |
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| [20:28:46] | iamlindoro_: | Any currently-purchased HD-PVr should come with ac-3 capable firmware. But yes, to load additional new firmware windows is still currently required |
| [20:29:01] | iamlindoro_: | The Ac-3 muxing is many months old now |
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| [20:29:04] | justinh: | themes, scabs.. same difference. don't leave em alone & they can turn into a bloody mess :) |
| [20:29:34] | EvilGuru: | Is that just due to lack of developer time to implement it on Linux or lack of specs? |
| [20:29:58] | iamlindoro_: | We've never had a single shred of specs, it's a matter of busy people who have the knowhow to do it |
| [20:30:42] | iamlindoro_: | justinh, The good news is I think it is getting better as a result of the picking, but the bad news is I'm not doing anything else |
| [20:30:59] | EvilGuru: | Really, wow, I always thought that the reasonable support for Hauppauge products was due to specs as opposed to smart people (tm) |
| [20:31:39] | iamlindoro_: | This particular item got support from hauppauge (a free pre-release unit) but they can't hand out the specs on items they themselves signed NDAs on (encoder ship) |
| [20:31:40] | iamlindoro_: | er chip |
| [20:32:10] | sid3windr: | well they ship the encoder |
| [20:32:12] | sid3windr: | ;) |
| [20:32:16] | iamlindoro_: | Entire thing was reverse engineered from the windows driver |
| [20:32:29] | yalu: | justinh: hmmmm then I'm looking for things in the wrong place. where do I configure which channel is selected if I pres eg 3 on my remote? |
| [20:32:39] | iamlindoro_: | sid3windr, indeed! |
| [20:32:49] | ** iamlindoro_ stands corrected about correcting himself ** | |
| [20:33:08] | EvilGuru: | I wonder if in theory, it would be possible for DTS muxing as well, not that OTA broadcasts carry it, nor too many DVDs |
| [20:33:41] | EvilGuru: | Although some PS3s enjoy spewing it out, as do some sound cards (on the fly DTS encoding is big in the windows world for some reason) |
| [20:33:42] | iamlindoro_: | Would possibly be doable, but would be a waste of Hauppauge's effort to develop it (as it would need to go into firmware) |
| [20:35:09] | wagnerrp: | does spdif even support DTS? |
| [20:35:14] | iamlindoro_: | yeah |
| [20:35:16] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Yep |
| [20:35:45] | EvilGuru: | A lot of chipsets advertise DTS connect as a feature, which is basically software DTS encoding on the fly over spdif |
| [20:36:00] | iamlindoro_: | Oof, remind me NEVER to come up with an idea that involved pixel-for-pixel overlay of things again |
| [20:36:14] | justinh: | yalu: that'd be the channel number, or channum |
| [20:36:33] | justinh: | channum is the name of the database column |
| [20:37:49] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: I think gbee'll be quite disappointed when he sees my final effort. I'm not going for the big showy demo of mythui features anymore. I'm sick of bling |
| [20:38:31] | justinh: | different layouts, sure. all the whizzbang stuff, nah |
| [20:38:48] | iamlindoro_: | justinh, I think your "fanbase" will likely be pleased, you're quite hard on yourself |
| [20:39:07] | iamlindoro_: | Besides, if they want to see a blingy mess they can just download my theme ;) |
| [20:39:13] | iamlindoro_: | emphasis on the mess |
| [20:39:31] | yalu: | that mythweb application is super, btw. |
| [20:39:40] | justinh: | fanbase would be the wrong word. I never knowingly saught praise. I'd be more happy to be met with indifference |
| [20:39:56] | yalu: | I only got mythtv half working, but I'm enjoying it more every hour |
| [20:41:03] | ** iamlindoro_ cannot make wrapstyle work the way he wants with scrollstyle center ** | |
| [20:41:50] | justinh: | is the wrapping fixed now? I'm not in sync anymore |
| [20:42:14] | iamlindoro_: | nope, exactly the problem |
| [20:42:41] | iamlindoro_: | ie when it wraps with a scrollstyle center, the top item in the list should be in the middle-- instead it shifts way up and you have to scroll down to center to get back to wrapstyle center |
| [20:42:58] | iamlindoro_: | I've just turned of the wrapstyle instead |
| [20:44:06] | justinh: | must be tricky to work out or it'd be fixed by now :) |
| [20:44:30] | justinh: | I did my head in trying to work out the button spacing code.. at least getting it to do my bidding |
| [20:45:07] | iamlindoro_: | This self-adjusting text size patch has some neat applications |
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| [20:48:03] | iamlindoro_: | I'm scared to try this on a real 16:9 screen because I fear it will all look horribly broken |
| [20:49:04] | gbee: | justinh: I won't be disappointed at all, I didn't add all the features so people could use them all in one theme, only expectations I have from mythui themes is that they will be a little different from each other and what was done in the past |
| [20:49:49] | gbee: | wrapping with centre scrolling is currently buggy |
| [20:49:59] | gbee: | it's on my list |
| [20:50:27] | iamlindoro_: | Figured, didn't want to bug you with it-- in truth it's probably better than I leave it off anyawy |
| [20:51:07] | sebrock: | aww, anyone perhaps uses gma 3100? |
| [20:51:11] | gbee: | anyway, I should get back to my film |
| [20:51:14] | iamlindoro_: | Thought about starting to work on a Disk Space and/or tuner status widget last night patterning it after the clock widget |
| [20:51:31] | iamlindoro_: | but then I saw that the disk space stuff in statusbox.cpp is uuuuuuugly |
| [20:51:42] | iamlindoro_: | and nothing really easily usable |
| [20:52:03] | justinh: | I think I've decided the first code hack I'm gonna dive into will be an autoexpiry list |
| [20:52:34] | justinh: | I hate the status screen expiry list |
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| [20:53:17] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, the "machine status" screen in System Status is just one giganto function that creates a big screen and dumps it to disk |
| [20:53:19] | iamlindoro_: | Ewwwwww |
| [20:53:25] | iamlindoro_: | er a big string |
| [20:53:31] | iamlindoro_: | and dumps it to screen |
| [20:53:49] | iamlindoro_: | When did I become conceptually dyslexic |
| [20:53:58] | justinh: | when you started theming? ;-) |
| [20:54:15] | iamlindoro_: | May have preceded that |
| [20:54:19] | iamlindoro_: | theming may just be a symptom |
| [20:54:46] | justinh: | severe anger management issues follow, in my experience |
| [20:55:05] | iamlindoro_: | Whoah... I think I may have been going about this overlay thing all wrong |
| [20:55:09] | justinh: | I ended up buying a new phone today. I actually like it, so may not end up breaking it. And it's not a Nokia |
| [20:55:20] | iamlindoro_: | I have on image with all the icons greyed out, and overlay the "active" icons over them |
| [20:55:31] | iamlindoro_: | I think I probably ought to be just using statetypes instead, duh |
| [20:55:38] | wuzle: | Is there a way to set the idle timeout on the fly for mythwelcome, ie so if I push the power button on my remote it will exit mythfrontend, check if the backend is idle, and power off imediatly? But under normal circumstances it will wait the 60s or so? |
| [20:55:53] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: that'd be less fiddly |
| [20:56:13] | iamlindoro_: | justinh, And less likely to drive me insane when trying to switch from a 16:10->16:9 screen |
| [20:56:23] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: and it'll let you get the positioning right for active & inactive in one gulp :) |
| [20:56:40] | iamlindoro_: | yar |
| [20:57:27] | justinh: | <inactive>blahblah<alpha>127</alpha></inactive><activ e from="inactive"><alpha>255</alpha></active> :) |
| [20:57:30] | iamlindoro_: | can just use alpha, too, no need to create new icons |
| [20:57:39] | iamlindoro_: | haha, beat me to it |
| [20:57:44] | justinh: | in xml too :D |
| [20:57:46] | justinh: | :-P |
| [20:57:49] | iamlindoro_: | yeah yeah |
| [20:57:57] | iamlindoro_: | theming time proportional |
| [20:58:07] | iamlindoro_: | multiple years > 1 week |
| [20:58:33] | justinh: | I'm as new to mythui as you are, give or take a few weeks |
| [20:58:55] | justinh: | infact you're prolly more up to speed than I am.. I just spend too much time thinking about it |
| [20:59:21] | iamlindoro_: | No such issue with thinking here |
| [21:02:05] | justinh: | thought of a new icon for autoexpiry btw |
| [21:02:15] | justinh: | the recycle symbol :) |
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| [21:05:24] | iamlindoro_: | What's wrong with the TV in a trash can? It makes a political statement at the same time ;) |
| [21:10:03] | justinh: | well, I'm going with the recycle icon |
| [21:11:11] | directhex: | iamlindoro, take it one step further, use an enormous thrusting penis to symbolise the rape of all the consumer sheeple watching tv! |
| [21:11:22] | iamlindoro_: | Can't seem to get these statetypes working with the PBB icons, hmmm |
| [21:11:40] | iamlindoro_: | directhex, That might be going to far, even for me :) |
| [21:13:49] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, is it possible to do the PBB images as statetypes, or just as imagetypes? Is there something I'm missing about how I might make an active/inactive version of an image? |
| [21:13:49] | gbee: | iamlindoro: what's the issue? |
| [21:14:01] | iamlindoro_: | I think I may just be going about it all wrong |
| [21:14:24] | iamlindoro_: | Have tried a few different things and while all validate, none work the way I would like |
| [21:14:30] | iamlindoro_: | slash period |
| [21:15:02] | gbee: | a couple of the icons are statetypes, the recording status etc is a statetype, but images and statetypes are not interchangable |
| [21:15:19] | gbee: | what do you have in mind? |
| [21:15:19] | directhex: | PBB? |
| [21:15:35] | gbee: | PlayBackBox, the internal name of the Watch Recordings Screen |
| [21:15:46] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, For the CC/subtitles/etc., to have the image at one alpha level, and when enabled, at full alpha 255 |
| [21:16:08] | iamlindoro_: | to save me going insane trying to line them up against a background image |
| [21:16:24] | wagnerrp: | so the zune was only programmed with a possible 365 day year? |
| [21:17:19] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, I suppose I can just do it by defining another iamgetype with something like "watchedoff" above it, just wondered if it could be done w/ states/active/inactive/etc. |
| [21:17:25] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: right, the way they are implemented currently the icons aren't statetypes, except for the subtitles/audio/video which are three statetypes with with one state for each possible value |
| [21:17:40] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, okay, will just use the way I just described then |
| [21:17:44] | gbee: | they are mutally exclusive so only one video icon can be displayed |
| [21:17:52] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: I intend to change it |
| [21:18:01] | gbee: | to the way you mentioned |
| [21:18:13] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, Neat |
| [21:18:13] | gbee: | i.e. a seperate statetype for each icon |
| [21:19:00] | gbee: | but that just wasn't how I initially started thinking about it |
| [21:20:26] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, Seems this will work for now http://rafb.net/p/xd0N3j71.html |
| [21:21:07] | gbee: | yeah, since the foreground 'active' image will hide the first |
| [21:21:13] | iamlindoro_: | yep |
| [21:21:29] | gbee: | did the same with metallurgy |
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| [21:22:08] | ** iamlindoro_ feels vaguely guilty for causing gbee so much work lately ** | |
| [21:22:22] | gbee: | but I will make them statetypes so you've got the option of using text, or a combination of text+images plus having very different images or positions for the off/on values |
| [21:23:03] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: you're not really adding to my workload, it's all stuff I probably would have had to do in the first place |
| [21:24:19] | gbee: | E_TOOMUCHWINE |
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| [21:27:23] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, that does the trick: http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB-actual5.png |
| [21:33:46] | justinh: | gah. smb browsing is majorly broken |
| [21:35:12] | gbee: | samba is something worse than rubbish which I'm not allowed to say in here |
| [21:35:35] | jduggan: | bad workman etc |
| [21:35:36] | jduggan: | ;] |
| [21:36:05] | gbee: | what does a good workman with bad tools do? :) |
| [21:36:16] | jduggan: | :P |
| [21:36:21] | jduggan: | make their own tools |
| [21:37:25] | iamlindoro_: | You know what's great? Grocery delivery. I hate the supermarket. |
| [21:37:33] | iamlindoro_: | totally OT, but still |
| [21:37:45] | ** jduggan is a regular tesco.com user ** | |
| [21:37:46] | jduggan: | ;] |
| [21:37:53] | wagnerrp: | there are places that still do that? |
| [21:38:08] | jduggan: | in the UK... its very popular |
| [21:38:09] | wagnerrp: | i thought those serviced died out in the 90s, shortly after springing up |
| [21:38:13] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp, Safeway.com |
| [21:38:31] | iamlindoro_: | The ones that are still around are run my actual supermarkets |
| [21:38:33] | iamlindoro_: | er by |
| [21:38:39] | ** EvilGuru wonders if XvBA will ever get off the ground ** | |
| [21:38:51] | wagnerrp: | is that intels? |
| [21:38:52] | iamlindoro_: | those retards with all the ventura capital that delivered a single chocolate bar for free at 2 AM were fools + money |
| [21:38:57] | iamlindoro_: | ATI's |
| [21:38:57] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: ATI/AMD |
| [21:39:04] | iamlindoro_: | s/ventura/venture/ |
| [21:39:31] | EvilGuru: | Although it seems as if nvidia has some sort of aspirations for VDPAU, as there are references in the docs to alternative backends, namely intel and ati |
| [21:39:51] | EvilGuru: | Only as examples, of course, but at least they put some thought into it |
| [21:39:55] | iamlindoro_: | Well, they're not going to do it themselves, but they've said that other's are welcome to adopt the standard |
| [21:40:14] | gbee: | EvilGuru: all three are positioning their API as something that they want the others to adopt |
| [21:40:15] | javatexan: | hey guys...i have a 35GB mpeg2 file that I need to split into its 5–10 mini shows...anyone have a favorite program for this? The 35GB file is a 12hour marathon of minis that I had to setup as a manual recording |
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| [21:40:42] | justinh: | if you're indifferent towards java, projectx |
| [21:40:46] | iamlindoro_: | dd! |
| [21:40:50] | EvilGuru: | gbee: nvidia actually have something that isn't hot air (intel with vaapi) |
| [21:41:07] | gbee: | EvilGuru: they all do |
| [21:41:09] | iamlindoro_: | EvilGuru, vaapi already has patches for mplayer/ffmpeg |
| [21:41:24] | EvilGuru: | iamlindoro_: I didn't think there were any implementations yet, just some headers |
| [21:41:29] | iamlindoro_: | with working drivers on at least one intel driver set |
| [21:41:38] | iamlindoro_: | EvilGuru, nope, totally working, just not across the board |
| [21:42:00] | gbee: | this discussion has been done to death though |
| [21:42:03] | iamlindoro_: | Unfortunately the only driver that works with it so far is for intel nettop GPUs |
| [21:42:28] | javatexan: | java as in coffee not the language :) |
| [21:42:30] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that you either need a low end 500 chip, or a high end 4500 chip for it to be of any worth |
| [21:42:56] | wagnerrp: | HD mpeg2 can be done on any halfway decent hardware anymore |
| [21:43:03] | wagnerrp: | and thats all the other chips provide |
| [21:43:05] | EvilGuru: | Do they all provide some kind of deinterlacing functionality along with the decoding |
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| [21:43:13] | iamlindoro_: | Anyway, buy decent GPU + CPU and hang in there, the end of the painful acceleration road is nigh |
| [21:43:26] | iamlindoro_: | where decent GPU can be from anyone you like so long as you don't cheap out |
| [21:43:44] | iamlindoro_: | EvilGuru, yes |
| [21:44:07] | iamlindoro_: | Since you're bitstreaming to the hardware, the hardware itself *must* do it to have deinterlace at all |
| [21:44:38] | EvilGuru: | As one thing Windows drivers for DXVA tend to be very good at is deinterlacing, often as nice as mplayer with yadif |
| [21:44:47] | wagnerrp: | unless you want some convoluted scheme where you stream back out to software, process, and then back into the video card |
| [21:44:47] | justinh: | gah. why is f-spot so slow? |
| [21:45:18] | iamlindoro_: | because they misspelled it? |
| [21:45:37] | iamlindoro_: | The g is over here, guys (or so I always hear from my girlfriend) |
| [21:45:47] | iamlindoro_: | but usually not in plural form |
| [21:45:49] | iamlindoro_: | usually |
| [21:45:54] | wagnerrp: | move a little to the right... |
| [21:46:17] | justinh: | no, not there you idiot! Oh what's the point? |
| [21:46:20] | gbee: | XvBA is based on DXVA btw, ATi wanted to use the similar APIs on both platforms to make things easier to maintain on the driver side |
| [21:47:48] | iamlindoro_: | Hopefully we'll see some action from them in the next few weeks here |
| [21:48:08] | gbee: | or so it's unofficially said, since they haven't officially announced a single thing about XvBA |
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| [21:49:02] | EvilGuru: | Apparently ATI are trying to get OpenGL 3 out of the door, or so those with the 9.1 betas have been saying |
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| [21:50:38] | iamlindoro_: | The good news is that with others producing results, the odds of them also turning up with patches to relevant software improves, so that'd be nice |
| [21:51:09] | iamlindoro_: | As not everyone wants to write their own implementation so that they get to act like badasses *cough*xine*cough* |
| [21:51:13] | gbee: | wouldn't trust a word you hear that apparently comes from beta testers – the real beta testers have probably sign NDAs |
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| [21:53:06] | iamlindoro_: | Anyone who thinks they are tidier and more demanding than ffmpeg developers has GOT to be fun at a party |
| [21:53:52] | gbee: | heh |
| [21:54:07] | EvilGuru: | gbee: Was leaked a week or so ago |
| [21:54:34] | iamlindoro_: | EvilGuru, What was leaked? XVBA has been active in drivers for months |
| [21:54:36] | gbee: | heh, oops |
| [21:54:44] | EvilGuru: | iamlindoro_: The 9.1 beta |
| [21:54:47] | iamlindoro_: | ahh, the 9.1 stuff |
| [21:54:49] | iamlindoro_: | my bad |
| [21:54:55] | iamlindoro_: | read out of context |
| [21:55:30] | iamlindoro_: | He who hateth MythMusic, gaze upon this! http://www.msmvpsphotos.com/clanier/View-Queue-Screen.jpg |
| [21:56:10] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, can a textarea have a gradient? |
| [21:56:26] | gbee: | no |
| [21:56:30] | iamlindoro_: | ok |
| [21:56:45] | iamlindoro_: | can just use an image overlay as a mask |
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| [21:57:29] | iamlindoro_: | eHeh, no I can't, can't mask text |
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| [21:57:43] | gbee: | image can be a gradient, so make it the same size as the text area and place it behind |
| [21:58:06] | gbee: | depends on the effect you want |
| [21:58:17] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, wanted to fade the text as it went downwards |
| [21:58:37] | gbee: | ahh |
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| [21:59:05] | gbee: | yeah, the way text is drawn (by QT) it' |
| [21:59:17] | gbee: | s not possible to make it a gradient |
| [21:59:22] | justinh: | arghhh ffs bitstream vera sucks |
| [21:59:24] | iamlindoro_: | okee |
| [21:59:49] | iamlindoro_: | justinh, I kinda like Bell Gothic |
| [21:59:52] | gbee: | but it might be masked, just not a 5 minute job |
| [22:00:00] | iamlindoro_: | Not_free though |
| [22:00:02] | iamlindoro_: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Gothic |
| [22:00:10] | iamlindoro_: | The light variant |
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| [22:00:46] | ltspellman: | Hello, and thank you in advance for any help you may be able to give me regarding my mythbuntu setup. I'm having a really rough time getting my mythbuntu to grab the channels from my hdhomerun tuner. It finds the channels, locks them, and then says that there are no tables for those channels. The end result is that I can't create a list of channels for viewing or recording. I am not a power user by any means; I don't have vast Linux experience and th |
| [22:02:05] | jduggan: | hrm, when BBC are broadcasting 'pirates of the caribbean' on BBC HD, is that real HD, or are they upscaling SD ? |
| [22:02:13] | iamlindoro_: | real HD |
| [22:02:17] | iamlindoro_: | (from what I hear) |
| [22:02:29] | gbee: | real HD, in original aspect |
| [22:02:30] | iamlindoro_: | couple folks in here recorded it last time they broadcast it |
| [22:02:37] | jduggan: | oh cool |
| [22:02:39] | jduggan: | its not atm |
| [22:02:48] | ** jduggan needs to get a sat dish up ** | |
| [22:02:55] | directhex: | gbee, is that the original cut where they misframed the aspect cut from 4:3 original, and you could see the edges of the set? ^_^ |
| [22:03:08] | gbee: | at least the Dean Man's Chest – recorded The Black Pearl in HD the other day, haven't watch it yet |
| [22:03:38] | iamlindoro_: | Mmm, Dean Man's Chest, that's my favorite gay porn fi^H^H^H^H erm... I mean... I think you spelled that wrong |
| [22:03:50] | gbee: | Dead |
| [22:03:58] | gbee: | You're dead, iamlindoro_ |
| [22:04:02] | gbee: | :p |
| [22:04:04] | jduggan: | DEAD TO ME! |
| [22:04:05] | jduggan: | ;p |
| [22:04:19] | jduggan: | bleh |
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| [22:04:48] | iamlindoro_: | wow, that's the secodn time someone in this channel has wished dead on me in 24 hours |
| [22:04:50] | iamlindoro_: | er death |
| [22:04:56] | gbee: | directhex: which film? no set visible in Dead Man's Chest :) However I recorded both the SD and HD, HD was letterboxed, SD was cropped to 16:9 |
| [22:04:57] | iamlindoro_: | I must be improving |
| [22:05:22] | directhex: | gbee, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11479996 |
| [22:05:27] | abqjp: | iamlindoro's screen shots are really cool in that they show what is possible with the new mythui. I agree with justinh, though. Functionality is more important to me than bling. One of the things I really liked about projectgreyhem (sic?) was it's efficient use of screen real-estate to show as much information as possible. Metallurgy then came along and struck a balance (at the time) between functionality and esthetics. |
| [22:05:29] | jduggan: | i have my nova-s... just havent got a sat dish because i want to upgrade from .20... just been holding out for .22, decisions decisions =] |
| [22:06:07] | gbee: | directhex: ok, guess I'll take a look at Black Pearl tomorrow |
| [22:06:19] | gbee: | might not receive the same treatment |
| [22:06:20] | abqjp: | I played around with theming a little bit, but damn, it is time consuming. Anyone (justinh) that does theming does not get near enough credit for the work they do. |
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| [22:06:54] | iamlindoro_: | Harumph, I think my screens display all the relevant information just fine |
| [22:07:06] | iamlindoro_: | IF anything, there's just as much or more there |
| [22:07:30] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/MVplay2.png (Same amount of info as in gallery now, but more) |
| [22:07:46] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB-actual5.png Same amount as now |
| [22:07:50] | gbee: | actually their is a BBC HD screenshot in that thread, I'd guess it's the same version |
| [22:07:53] | psm321: | ltspellman: have you looked through this? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Silicondust_HDHomeRun |
| [22:08:18] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-osd2.png When this is possible, it'll be far more info than now |
| [22:09:26] | wagnerrp: | that doesnt look like the right background for top gun |
| [22:09:47] | iamlindoro_: | :P |
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| [22:10:23] | wagnerrp: | and i doubt three sheets ever had an episode in a yellow submarine captained by a man named Steve |
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| [22:10:46] | iamlindoro_: | So get fanart working in myth if you don't like it |
| [22:11:03] | abqjp: | iamlindoro: I like what your are doing, but there is quite a bit of unused space on the PBB screen. Projectgreyhem squeezed 9 titles on the screen at the same time. Metallurgy gets 7. |
| [22:11:25] | wagnerrp: | the lack of HDTV causes a lack of motivation on my part... :) |
| [22:11:35] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp, I get 8 episodes and six groups |
| [22:11:41] | wagnerrp: | rather the lack of AN HDTV |
| [22:12:48] | iamlindoro_: | Contrary to popular belief, every screen in myth ought not look like a NASA workstation |
| [22:12:58] | wagnerrp: | actually, theres a thought |
| [22:13:14] | wagnerrp: | im putting a machine in the basement, right underneath the living room |
| [22:13:28] | wagnerrp: | i could drop the PS3, and run a cable up to that TV |
| [22:13:51] | abqjp: | iamlindoro: It is the "groups" I am talking about. So, at one point I had 9, then I started settling for 7, and now it is going to be 6! Where will it end? ;-p |
| [22:14:34] | iamlindoro_: | Considering You can only effectively use *one* at a time, six seems reasonable |
| [22:14:38] | justinh: | rofl @ Casualty |
| [22:15:24] | iamlindoro_: | justinh, hmm? |
| [22:15:47] | justinh: | so a guy goes on the run in a cheap banger of a car, then it goes out of control – brakes don't work etc.. as he approaches a level crossing when the barriers are coming down. so he jumps out of the car, car goes through the barriers & hits the train. yes! |
| [22:15:53] | ltspellman: | psm321, thank you for that. although i have already tried most of those instructions, i have yet to completely uninstall/reinstall my device. I'll take a crack at it. Hopefully I won't be back. |
| [22:16:03] | gbee: | iamlindoro: Hospital set soap here in the UK |
| [22:16:11] | iamlindoro_: | ahhh |
| [22:16:18] | justinh: | it gets ever more ridiculous |
| [22:16:37] | gbee: | iamlindoro: think really cheap and really cheesy ER |
| [22:16:44] | iamlindoro_: | heh |
| [22:16:52] | iamlindoro_: | ER is cheesy unto itself |
| [22:16:52] | justinh: | and I used to think the Hooded Claw's schemes to kill Penelope Pitstop were convoluted |
| [22:17:17] | wagnerrp: | why not just drop gear? |
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| [22:17:27] | gbee: | and it's been running longer than ER too, but unlike ER they just won't cancel it |
| [22:17:45] | poodyp: | drop it in to first, that'd stop it fast |
| [22:17:53] | wagnerrp: | if its really a rustbucket, its probably a manual |
| [22:18:05] | justinh: | why not just turn the engine off & gently apply the handbrake? hmmm. ahh so then the car won't derail the train carrying passengers & deadly chemicals like ACID! |
| [22:18:14] | iamlindoro_: | If that doesn't stop it, drop to first, then shift to fifth |
| [22:18:16] | iamlindoro_: | stall 'er out |
| [22:18:40] | poodyp: | even if it were a manual you could try shoving it into park |
| [22:18:41] | wagnerrp: | yeah, theres any number of options beyond tuck-and-roll |
| [22:18:50] | poodyp: | weren't rather |
| [22:19:03] | wagnerrp: | most autos have self protection mechanisms |
| [22:19:06] | justinh: | talk about artistic licence |
| [22:19:09] | wagnerrp: | they wont let you trash them in that manner |
| [22:19:23] | poodyp: | if it were an old car it might not |
| [22:19:57] | poodyp: | usually all you have to do is press the brake and they'll let you put it in park |
| [22:20:03] | wagnerrp: | does that TV have one HDMI or two...? |
| [22:20:33] | gbee: | most vehicles in the UK are manuals |
| [22:21:16] | gbee: | learn on an auto and you don't even get a full license |
| [22:21:45] | abqjp: | iamlindoro: I currently have 258 different "Titles" or "Groups" in my PBB! Using the "Recording Groups" filter helps make it a little more manageable to fine what I want to watch, but that is still a lot of titles to scan through. The more "Titles" that fit on a page, the quicker it is to page through the list. |
| [22:22:35] | iamlindoro_: | Need to make more effective use of mythvideo |
| [22:22:42] | abqjp: | ? |
| [22:22:57] | iamlindoro_: | 258 titles? I don't have 10% that number of *recordings* |
| [22:23:16] | poodyp: | I like how in Finland you basically have to learn rally driving in order to get a license |
| [22:23:30] | justinh: | oh FFS. fspot can't just refresh a folder without reloading the frickin lot! ARGHHHHHH |
| [22:23:39] | abqjp: | I currently have 1333 recordings. |
| [22:23:43] | iamlindoro_: | I have 25 |
| [22:23:51] | iamlindoro_: | So don't use my theme, I don't care |
| [22:24:05] | Huijari: | poodyp: you've obviously watched your top gear ;D |
| [22:24:21] | poodyp: | Huijari: habitually |
| [22:24:57] | gbee: | 1333 ... you'll have to retire early and do nothing but watch TV during waking hours to catch up on that backlog ;) |
| [22:25:16] | poodyp: | iamlindoro: I think it'd be fine even if you had only 3 showing |
| [22:25:21] | abqjp: | iamlindoro: I am not trying to offend you. I am just trying to explain why screen real-estate is important to me. |
| [22:25:37] | notyjoey: | any of you guys running the mythtv frontend on a mac mini? |
| [22:26:09] | wagnerrp: | i probably should just pick up one of those PCI 8400s, a P4 1.8 isnt going to be able to handle much |
| [22:26:13] | gbee: | notyjoey: it can be done if that's your question |
| [22:26:15] | abqjp: | gbee: I take the DVR paradigm to the extreme. I always have something available to watch no matter what my mood! |
| [22:26:29] | notyjoey: | i'm downloading it now, im just wondering how it runs |
| [22:26:39] | iamlindoro_: | I'm thinking I will include a new menu theme |
| [22:27:00] | iamlindoro_: | In keeping with what is shaping up to be the "friendly" aim of the theme |
| [22:27:01] | gbee: | abqjp: I guess I do too, but I've still no more than ~90 recordings at any time |
| [22:27:04] | notyjoey: | i guess i'll find out in a minute or two |
| [22:27:09] | gbee: | :) |
| [22:27:32] | notyjoey: | only 90? |
| [22:27:39] | notyjoey: | i havent deleted anything yet |
| [22:27:43] | wagnerrp: | so that means... new video card, new cables, new IR receiver... |
| [22:27:50] | wagnerrp: | turning out to be not so cheap |
| [22:27:51] | notyjoey: | probably got hundreds upon hundreds of recordings |
| [22:27:55] | ** iamlindoro_ really needs to get that "export to Mythvideo" thing he keeps intending to write written ** | |
| [22:28:06] | wagnerrp: | plus i would have to cut a big hole in the floor |
| [22:28:15] | gbee: | notyjoey: runs fine, I don't own a Mac Mini but we demo'd MythTV running on a first gen Mac Mini at an Expo over 18 months ago |
| [22:28:51] | notyjoey: | just under 2000 recordings for me |
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| [22:29:28] | wagnerrp: | however, do realize that youre not going to be playing much in the way of single-slice h264 on that chip |
| [22:29:31] | wagnerrp: | so the HDPVR is out |
| [22:29:42] | gbee: | + 52 films exported to mythvideo, but I'm not a hoarder, only keep things I really want to watch for a second time or things I haven't seen |
| [22:29:47] | gbee: | rest gets deleted |
| [22:30:08] | notyjoey: | gbee: how much storage space do you have dedicated to recordings? |
| [22:30:11] | ** wagnerrp backs away in fear ** | |
| [22:30:17] | abqjp: | iamlindoro: Moving the movies I record to mythvideo would make sense, and the would account for 90 (of my 1333). |
| [22:30:19] | wagnerrp: | not a hoarder? hes not one of us! |
| [22:30:27] | gbee: | if I didn't delete things after watching I suppose I might have tens of thousands of recordings, but what would be the point? |
| [22:30:42] | notyjoey: | go back and watch things when you're bored |
| [22:30:47] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp, But what in the world are yuo going to *do* with all those recordings? If the idea is to keep them as an archive, Mythvideo makes much more sense |
| [22:30:50] | notyjoey: | hmm |
| [22:30:55] | notyjoey: | mythtv on the mac aint too bad |
| [22:31:26] | abqjp: | I always delete after I watch. That 1333 count, is shows I have NOT watched. |
| [22:31:28] | gbee: | production machine should be around ~700Gb |
| [22:31:37] | iamlindoro_: | Good god, when are you going to watch all that? |
| [22:31:46] | iamlindoro_: | I have *25* I can't get around to watching |
| [22:32:11] | gbee: | was originally a 250Gb drive, to which I later added a 500Gb drive |
| [22:32:12] | abqjp: | Maybe never. But I have the option to watch it whenever I want to. |
| [22:32:33] | abqjp: | I have 6TB |
| [22:32:38] | wagnerrp: | over the life of this installation, i have only recorded some 1810 shows |
| [22:32:41] | gbee: | considering a HD film can use 22Gb, it doesn't go far really |
| [22:33:23] | notyjoey: | i got a raid5 box with 3.x tb of storage i use for my mythtv server |
| [22:33:32] | notyjoey: | and stream to the rest of the computers in my house |
| [22:33:40] | abqjp: | I am like sphery when it comes to scripted television. I often don't watch the season, until the season is done airing. |
| [22:33:58] | iamlindoro_: | except where you say season, you mean "entire run of the show" |
| [22:34:33] | abqjp: | I have 27 episodes of Lost that I have not watched yet. |
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| [22:35:26] | abqjp: | I have 23 episodes of Heroes. |
| [22:35:29] | notyjoey: | actually, this isnt too bad at all. With powered speakers i can watch tv in my office! |
| [22:36:22] | gbee: | crap, my desk lamp just died |
| [22:39:38] | directhex: | gbee, try CPR |
| [22:40:38] | iamlindoro_: | Was it hit by a runaway car and doused with acid? |
| [22:42:12] | gbee: | that's the trouble with a halogen desk lamp, it's not as though I've got a pack of spare bulbs around the place |
| [22:42:16] | justinh: | oh yes. little girl injured in the train crash, was in her mother's bad books. texted the mother at work to tell her she was ok and guess what? her mother was driving the train. beautiful syncronicity |
| [22:42:41] | justinh: | oh, and she's dead. who writes this stuff?! |
| [22:42:49] | gbee: | they let woman drive trains? |
| [22:44:03] | gbee: | no, but seriously, Casualty is great |
| [22:44:35] | justinh: | I think they crank up the storylines a few hundred percent too much though |
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| [22:48:25] | i_is_cat: | somehow mythtv decided to take my kde colour settings |
| [22:48:26] | i_is_cat: | http://tinyurl.com/9uw2gn |
| [22:48:47] | iamlindoro_: | hellokitty-wide, done |
| [22:48:47] | gbee: | umm, pink |
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| [22:48:59] | i_is_cat: | theres a hello kitty theme? |
| [22:48:59] | i_is_cat: | :O |
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| [22:49:18] | justinh: | arghhhH! MY EYES! |
| [22:49:36] | sid3windr: | pinkywinky |
| [22:49:38] | justinh: | erm.. I mean.. (trying to be more encouraging).. ermm... |
| [22:49:51] | sid3windr: | someone mistook QT for cutie |
| [22:49:53] | justinh: | it still looks like G.A.N.T :) |
| [22:50:36] | gbee: | just a pink background behind the default theme xml/images |
| [22:50:41] | justinh: | can we do outlined text now so we can do away with drop shadows once & for all? |
| [22:50:56] | i_is_cat: | lol i was trying to change the gant theme.. but i never saw anything for the guide.. when i first loaded it, it was still the neon wide theme for the guide |
| [22:51:24] | iamlindoro_: | GANT is hopeless, don't even bother changing it |
| [22:51:24] | gbee: | justinh: yes |
| [22:51:39] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, Already implemented? |
| [22:51:44] | i_is_cat: | iamlindoro, suggest something better? |
| [22:51:47] | justinh: | woo. ta :) |
| [22:52:00] | gbee: | I thought we could do outlined text with the old ui ... but it's definately there in mythui |
| [22:52:02] | justinh: | i_is_cat: what was so bad about neon-wide that you had to turn it into that? |
| [22:52:02] | iamlindoro_: | i_is_cat, Start from scratch or at least work with a good theme to start |
| [22:52:26] | iamlindoro_: | justinh, PS, I'm referring to GANT, not neon :) |
| [22:52:43] | i_is_cat: | justinh, i didnt change it.. it changed itself i just adjusted the main gant menus and things and then after i restarted mythtv it was all like that :O |
| [22:52:45] | gbee: | anyone else notice that there is room in that theme for another line of text in the description? It's shoddy :/ |
| [22:53:27] | justinh: | if you must hack on any theme, operate on mepo-wide or metallurgy. both are excellent examples of how to do a theme properly |
| [22:53:31] | iamlindoro_: | oooooOOoooh, outlinecolor/size/alpha |
| [22:53:33] | iamlindoro_: | nice! |
| [22:53:48] | justinh: | gbee: yeah, there are alignment issues aplenty too |
| [22:53:54] | iamlindoro_: | was just wanting to do that earlier this morning |
| [22:53:55] | justinh: | more obvious now the background is lighter |
| [22:54:07] | justinh: | and there's too much use of drop shadows |
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| [22:54:35] | justinh: | if you must do text on light backgrounds make the font a darker colour than the background |
| [22:54:55] | justinh: | otherwise it just LOOKS LIKE SHOUTING to me :) |
| [22:56:36] | justinh: | and how the heck are the background boxes still all blocked out? I thought I fixed all that |
| [22:56:49] | gbee: | someone definately went overboard with the drop shadows |
| [22:57:01] | justinh: | maybe I never got round to the EPG boxes |
| [22:57:08] | justinh: | no point now though :) |
| [22:57:40] | gbee: | ugh, those images are ugly |
| [22:58:37] | iamlindoro_: | Hmm, is alphapulse broken on images with existing alpha? |
| [22:58:42] | gbee: | and xris was considering for one second using screenshots from those themes for the website? |
| [22:58:42] | justinh: | looks like they needed to be scaled with bicubic interpolation as opposed to whatever it was that was used |
| [22:59:22] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: might be, never tried it and since I didn't write either the alpha or alphapulse code I never even though about it until just now |
| [22:59:31] | gbee: | s/though/thought/ |
| [22:59:43] | iamlindoro_: | It seems so (although simply worked around) |
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| [23:00:17] | justinh: | maybe I better go back & start hacking concept some more.. then do my more simplistic one later when I can do everything I _really_ want to be able to do |
| [23:00:18] | gbee: | justinh: I'm not sure it was scaling so much as drawing the images in the wrong application to begin with |
| [23:00:38] | gbee: | no way those corners were ever properly rounded and antialiased |
| [23:01:57] | iamlindoro_: | Hmm, Qt font antialiasing is either nonexistent or really bad at large sizes |
| [23:06:55] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: you need QtMyOpia installed |
| [23:07:08] | iamlindoro_: | heh |
| [23:07:11] | justinh: | antialiases every motherloving thing |
| [23:07:14] | iamlindoro_: | haha |
| [23:07:16] | jgoulah: | anyone know how to stop nvidiafb from loading on boot (debian), suddenly my nvidia driver wont load b/c of it, tried to blacklist |
| [23:07:29] | justinh: | jgoulah: use ubuntu? ;-) |
| [23:07:41] | jgoulah: | haha |
| [23:07:50] | jgoulah: | had been workin fine for months |
| [23:09:06] | gbee: | sure you put the blacklist in the right place? |
| [23:09:52] | jgoulah: | /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist (has a bunch of other crap in there) |
| [23:10:12] | gbee: | delete the module? |
| [23:10:46] | jgoulah: | thats a possibility.... |
| [23:10:50] | justinh: | is some init script loading it? |
| [23:10:59] | justinh: | deltete/rename it |
| [23:11:12] | justinh: | are you loading it manually? ;-) |
| [23:11:26] | jgoulah: | no it just loads on boot, cant find in init.d or even etc |
| [23:11:38] | justinh: | weird |
| [23:11:48] | justinh: | built into the kernel perhaps? |
| [23:11:52] | justinh: | by mistake? |
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| [23:12:29] | jgoulah: | its very odd, b/c I haven't rebuilt the kernel recently, its showing up as module though |
| [23:12:37] | jgoulah: | can just try to move it out the way, that was one thing I hadn't tried yet |
| [23:12:53] | justinh: | or put something in init to unload it :-) |
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| [23:13:30] | gbee: | just move it, so much easier |
| [23:13:54] | ** jgoulah tries ** | |
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| [23:15:04] | dusker: | I'm looking for a suggestion on a good pci hdtv tuner card for linux? |
| [23:15:06] | dusker: | anyone? |
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| [23:15:24] | justinh: | www.linuxtv.org – look in the wiki there |
| [23:15:53] | justinh: | and 'good' really depends on the intended application, and upon your location |
| [23:16:07] | dusker: | I have but it's kind of unclear the level of compatibility that each card has |
| [23:16:54] | jgoulah: | totally worked, nice |
| [23:16:59] | justinh: | so perhaps start out by saying something about where in the world you are and what your expectations are |
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| [23:19:43] | dusker: | well I'm in the US |
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| [23:20:03] | dusker: | and I was just looking for something to record digital hd and sd tv streams from the antenna |
| [23:20:12] | dusker: | something pci based |
| [23:20:18] | dusker: | that works out of the box with linux |
| [23:21:50] | iamlindoro_: | jpabq, http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB-actual6.png |
| [23:21:54] | iamlindoro_: | jpabq, 9 visible groups ;) |
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| [23:25:58] | abqjp: | iamlindoro: :) |
| [23:26:13] | iamlindoro_: | (and no loss of pretties) |
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