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[00:01:20] | janneg: | iamlindoro: I think the hvr1700 is the hvr1800 with dvb-t |
[00:01:31] | iamlindoro: | janneg, I think you are correct |
[00:02:49] | iamlindoro: | Not bad for having had no idea what I wanted to do with the screen a two days ago |
[00:03:10] | SHADOW__X: | pretty good i say |
[00:03:30] | iamlindoro: | Still relies on a couple of "theoretical" feature adds |
[00:03:46] | iamlindoro: | The MythVideo screen exists and works right now, though |
[00:03:58] | janneg: | SHADOW__X: thanks so far, I'll look into it in the next days |
[00:04:04] | SHADOW__X: | yup |
[00:04:16] | SHADOW__X: | just let me know janneg i would like to get analog working |
[00:04:18] | SHADOW__X: | :) |
[00:04:42] | gbee: | iamlindoro: should you be interested for any reason I've just uploaded the images/xml for that aeon copy |
[00:05:28] | gbee: | if nothing else just to prove to any doubters that it's real and not a mockup |
[00:05:31] | iamlindoro: | gbee, I'm trying to steer away from looking too much at it (the skin as a whole) as I want to be as original as possible |
[00:05:43] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Heh, word will get out shortly I would imagine :) |
[00:05:46] | gbee: | yeah I relate to that |
[00:06:22] | iamlindoro: | Theirs has a "crispness" to it that I just don't have in my style, so anything I tried would just be a cheap copy anyway |
[00:06:49] | iamlindoro: | Easy to look crisp when you're stealing fonts right and left, though |
[00:07:01] | iamlindoro: | I think finding the right font could give some of my stuff that |
[00:07:18] | gbee: | copying things is easy and simultaneously difficult |
[00:07:53] | gbee: | it would have taken longer to get the images etc to be perfect copies, but since that wasn't the point I didn't bother |
[00:09:10] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
[00:09:40] | gbee: | it's easy because you have something to work towards rather than having to invent the design for yourself |
[00:10:25] | gbee: | and once you've nailed down the techniques to recreate the style other screens would be much faster to complete |
[00:11:39] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Here's a question. Let's say I take my whole inkscape workspace and scale it up to 1920x1080... export all the icons and resources at that resolution. Then go back to the 1280x720 copy and use *that* to set coordinates and sizes for the theme XML... should I get better results if myth is scaling everything *down* to 1366x768? |
[00:12:11] | iamlindoro: | Or, alternately, is the resolution-independence of themes anywhere in the near future |
[00:12:45] | gbee: | iamlindoro: won't work, but the base resolution defined by the theme will be in for 0.22 |
[00:13:10] | iamlindoro: | cool. Then I'll just consider everything I do for now a proof and re-export everything at 1080 when it comes |
[00:13:13] | gbee: | hell I did most the of work for that over a year ago, I just never put the finishing touches in |
[00:13:58] | gbee: | all the stuff is there but for the couple of lines necessary to use the resolution defined in themeinfo.xml |
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[00:14:47] | iamlindoro: | I think part of the ugly is the fact that my desk monitor is 16:10 which is bound to not help scaling |
[00:19:33] | gbee: | it doesn't help, especially when trying to get the aspect ratio of things like posters right |
[00:20:51] | gbee: | in the default theme for mythvideo I made the mistake of doing the scaling in xml by eye, forgetting that the screen was 16:10 and not 16:9, the result was that the posters looked squashed at the 'correct' aspect |
[00:22:58] | i_is_cat: | sweeeeeeeeeet the mythbackend output told me how to fix the issue |
[00:23:12] | iamlindoro: | gbee, What is the correct aspect ratio for posters? |
[00:23:14] | i_is_cat: | now it works very well |
[00:23:47] | gbee: | 2:3 is the norm |
[00:27:53] | SHADOW__X: | is it normal that some posters from imdb do not get downloaded |
[00:28:41] | gbee: | imdb are doing their best to stop people downloading images and if you do manage the quality is terrible |
[00:29:01] | gbee: | which is one reason why we've dumped them in trunk |
[00:29:23] | SHADOW__X: | ah |
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[00:29:32] | SHADOW__X: | what does myth use now |
[00:29:38] | gbee: | themoviedb.org |
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[00:30:24] | gbee: | which itself is new and a work in progress, but the image quality where they are available is 100x better |
[00:31:01] | SHADOW__X: | right no will that be in .22 because aparently the version i have running within mythbuntu is a few releases behind |
[00:32:51] | gbee: | it will be in trunk, although it may get backported to 0.21-fixes |
[00:34:52] | SHADOW__X: | hmm |
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[00:56:42] | LanUser: | Hello – sorry for the OT question, but I'm asking to avoid asking even more OT questions. Does anyone know of an IRC channel where I can ask questions about AV equipment such as receivers and speakers? |
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[01:02:20] | xand: | maybe ##hardware |
[01:05:43] | LanUser: | xand: thanks, I'll give it a try |
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[01:13:26] | fuxxy: | hmm. I get errors when running mythtv-setup. http://rafb.net/p/YkWkC170.html |
[01:13:56] | fuxxy: | Access denied error, and a "no error type from QSqlError" |
[01:14:53] | fuxxy: | oh, hmm. |
[01:15:02] | fuxxy: | it's trying to connect to a remote database |
[01:16:10] | Dagmar: | You need to install the mysql bindings for Qt. |
[01:16:38] | Dagmar: | It's what "No error type from QSqlError? Strange... |
[01:16:43] | Dagmar: | " *always* means |
[01:16:49] | iamlindoro: | Only if it's the *first* error |
[01:16:53] | iamlindoro: | he has the bindings |
[01:17:06] | iamlindoro: | His problem is MySQL permissions |
[01:17:23] | Dagmar: | I'll take your word on that |
[01:17:32] | iamlindoro: | If it's the Mysql bindings it starts with "Drivers Available:" and a blank line |
[01:18:10] | fuxxy: | I emerged qt-sql, and portage wanted to install QT4 |
[01:18:12] | iamlindoro: | all the following "no error type"s are because of the initial error: |
[01:18:16] | iamlindoro: | "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
[01:18:16] | iamlindoro: | " |
[01:19:56] | directhex: | huh wait what |
[01:20:09] | directhex: | fuxxy, this is myth 0.21 (stable) or 0.22 (trunk)? |
[01:22:32] | fuxxy: | directhex, 0.21-fixes if I remember |
[01:22:43] | directhex: | then you won't go far with qt4 |
[01:22:50] | directhex: | since 0.21 is qt3-only |
[01:23:00] | fuxxy: | directhex, which is exactly the reason I didn't install it. |
[01:23:12] | iamlindoro: | His QT Mysql bindings are fine |
[01:23:12] | directhex: | so you have qt3 mysql bindings? |
[01:23:20] | iamlindoro: | otherwise he couldn't get an error from mysql |
[01:23:22] | iamlindoro: | "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)" |
[01:23:30] | iamlindoro: | That's the problem. |
[01:23:36] | iamlindoro: | fix your MySQL permissions |
[01:23:48] | iamlindoro: | (or your broken mysql.txt) |
[01:24:09] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro, hmm, mysql user 'mythtv' must be using the wrong password |
[01:24:12] | fuxxy: | just a second |
[01:24:34] | fuxxy: | hmm. |
[01:24:41] | fuxxy: | "unknown database 'mythconverg' |
[01:24:46] | iamlindoro: | if it's the wrong password, set it to the right one in ~/.mythtv/config.xml and mysql.txt |
[01:25:11] | fuxxy: | I'm coming back to this project, I'm sure I must have not imported the base database structure yet. |
[01:25:31] | iamlindoro: | so it appears |
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[01:30:32] | squish102: | o know this is the wrong chanel, but there are some very smart people here. is it possible, an old crt SD tv tuner could loose half of the channels, but the others work. on TW cable i seem to only have about 35 channels and missing about 40. retuning TV doesnt work :( |
[01:31:19] | squish102: | anyone experienced something like this before? |
[01:31:45] | iamlindoro: | squish102, Do you still have all those channels on another analog tuner? |
[01:32:00] | iamlindoro: | ie, it's not your only analog tuner, only this *one* is experiencing issues? |
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[01:32:32] | squish102: | yes, another tv works on same cable |
[01:32:36] | iamlindoro: | because many MANY cable companies are using the OTA digital switch as a chicanery to get people to get boxes by moving their analog channels to their digital tiers |
[01:32:59] | iamlindoro: | then yes, I would say you have failing hardware |
[01:33:17] | squish102: | i thought so too, becuse it was fine on the 31st, but on the 1st (10 minutes after midnight) I had the problem |
[01:34:00] | squish102: | ok thanks, very strange that it will scan and find half of them :( |
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[01:51:33] | pyther: | I'm hoping someone can help me get my tuner working in something like tvtime or a similar program |
[01:51:43] | pyther: | I don't not need the recording features and what not that mythtv offers |
[01:51:54] | pyther: | And I don't really have the cpu speed /memory to support the live recording |
[01:52:08] | pyther: | However when I try to use tvtime or something of the like I get no channels |
[01:52:16] | pyther: | My card is a kworld atsc 115 |
[01:52:17] | iamlindoro: | so go seek support from them |
[01:52:28] | iamlindoro: | on #linuxtv, or #v4l |
[01:52:46] | pyther: | Didn't know about those channels thanks |
[01:53:36] | iamlindoro: | btw, tvtime doesn't do digital TV, it's analog only |
[01:54:36] | NeoMatrixJR: | Need some help if anyone can. Running Mythbuntu 8.10 with the pinnacle 800i (HD card w/ ATSC/NTSC/QAM/FM) with a nVidia FX5500 AGP card. When running nVidia 173.x driver I get no HD video. When running no propriatary driver I get HD video, but it's very choppy. any ideas? |
[01:54:56] | squish102: | iamlindoro what, other than mythtv does digital? |
[01:55:14] | iamlindoro: | mplayer, kaffeine, vlc, etc. etc. et. |
[01:56:52] | squish102: | ahh, ok, would not have a clue how to tune with mplayer |
[01:57:08] | squish102: | pyther: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Kworld_ATSC_110 |
[01:57:25] | pyther: | squish102, thanks, I followed that guide ;) |
[01:57:49] | squish102: | before asking in this channel? |
[01:58:17] | pyther: | yeah everything works |
[01:58:39] | pyther: | mythtv simply is good for my system |
[01:58:42] | pyther: | I have a 1.6ghz atom |
[01:58:50] | pyther: | I just want to watch live tv, not record it |
[01:59:08] | squish102: | oh ok |
[01:59:50] | pyther: | Is there a different module I need to load for analog televison? |
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[02:00:59] | pyther: | Because I can't seem to get analog tv to work at all :( |
[02:01:33] | pyther: | in mythtv or anything |
[02:01:45] | Dagmar: | Perhaps you need an antenna.l |
[02:02:24] | pyther: | Dagmar, I have one |
[02:03:05] | Dagmar: | Again, #linuxtv or #v4l |
[02:03:13] | Dagmar: | If you can't get it to work at all, it's definitely not a MythTV problem |
[02:03:25] | academy: | I'm having trouble where when I select a channel in the guide, I get a black screen until the video has buffered, at which point the OSD appears with LAM or LAMC. I don't see the OSD. This is a problem because if the video doesn't lock for any reason, I just sit watching a black screen. The following error appears in the console: TVRec(1): Error: HandleStateChange(): Null transition from WatchingLiveTV to WatchingLiveTV; TVRec(1): Changing fr |
[02:03:25] | academy: | om WatchingLiveTV to None. Any Ideas? |
[02:03:57] | academy: | *I don't see the OSD before this point |
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[02:08:47] | mchou: | academy: simple. dont watch live tv using myth |
[02:10:40] | academy: | mchou: Don't be silly. |
[02:10:50] | mchou: | academy: you have the myth box so you can record shows. You want to watch live tv use the tuner on your TV |
[02:11:01] | mchou: | academy: how is this being silly? |
[02:11:28] | academy: | mchou: I use satelite so I'd need to unplug the cable from my mythbox into my stb. |
[02:11:37] | mchou: | academy: so? |
[02:11:51] | academy: | I'd rather keep everything together. |
[02:11:54] | mchou: | that's somehow a myth issue? |
[02:12:07] | mchou: | lol |
[02:12:11] | academy: | The issue is with the errors I'm getting from LiveTV. |
[02:12:17] | academy: | Of course it's a myth/setup issue. |
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[02:12:38] | mchou: | myth isnt designed for live tv watching |
[02:12:47] | academy: | I don't want to argue. If you haven't got something useful to add, don't answer. |
[02:12:59] | mchou: | live tv is only there to make sure stuff kinda works |
[02:14:14] | mchou: | academy: that's rich. telling you mythtv has issues with livetv and you're giving me flak? |
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[02:15:32] | Dagmar: | I stopped worrying about it when I saw "LAM or LAMC" |
[02:16:42] | academy: | Dagmar: For me it's fine but it's used by other people who don't understand it like I do. If the channel doesn't lock and they just see a blank screen they think it's broken and start hitting keys. |
[02:16:56] | mchou: | yeah right |
[02:17:06] | Dagmar: | No, they generally come here and complain first. |
[02:17:15] | academy: | It used to show the OSD going L->LA->LAMC in 0.21. I'm using trunk now. |
[02:17:21] | mchou: | academy: if you understand it so well why you asking about it here? |
[02:17:39] | Dagmar: | ...at which point we remind them that there will always be a delay of 1–2s (on a good day) for LiveTV because of all the buffering that unavoidably goes on. |
[02:17:54] | academy: | Dagmar: I know about the delay; I don't mind. |
[02:18:23] | Dagmar: | Well, if you're using trunk then you probably know how to use trac. File a bug report. |
[02:18:33] | academy: | Dagmar: What happens is that the sound comes on but not the OSD. I have to reopen the guide and close it again to force the video to display. |
[02:18:51] | Dagmar: | So again, file a bug report. |
[02:18:52] | academy: | sorry, not the osd/video |
[02:19:08] | iamlindoro: | academy, And what was recently merged into trunk? |
[02:19:10] | academy: | Dagmar: thanks, will do. I just wanted to check whether anyone else had the same issue. |
[02:19:19] | academy: | iamlindoro: mythtv-vid. |
[02:19:22] | iamlindoro: | exactly |
[02:19:29] | iamlindoro: | so you should *expect* it to be broken |
[02:19:48] | Dagmar: | Wait... wait.... You're saying that something in *trunk*... |
[02:19:49] | academy: | iamlindoro: ok, that's fine. I'll post a bug then. |
[02:19:51] | Dagmar: | ...could be... broken? |
[02:19:56] | Dagmar: | Nevar! |
[02:20:11] | academy: | iamlindoro: Just wanted to check I wasn't missing an obvious fix, that's all. |
[02:20:25] | iamlindoro: | also, are you using VDPAU? |
[02:20:35] | academy: | no, XVideo on an FX5200. |
[02:20:45] | iamlindoro: | okay, not that then |
[02:20:56] | academy: | I'll post a bug; cheers. |
[02:21:00] | iamlindoro: | as it displays a similar behavior |
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[02:23:33] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
[02:23:58] | mattwj2002: | boy 1.5 TB hard drives have really came down in price |
[02:24:07] | mattwj2002: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337 |
[02:24:19] | mattwj2002: | 1.5 TB only $129.99 |
[02:24:19] | mattwj2002: | :D |
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[02:24:34] | mchou: | mattwj2002: yeah, but have they gaine in reliability? :) |
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[02:24:41] | mchou: | gained* |
[02:25:13] | mattwj2002: | hmmm |
[02:25:22] | mchou: | big drives have a reputation of dying like flies |
[02:25:44] | mchou: | look at seagate's firmware fiasco |
[02:25:47] | mattwj2002: | good point |
[02:26:07] | mattwj2002: | my only point is the price has really dropped |
[02:26:08] | mattwj2002: | :) |
[02:26:11] | Dagmar: | s/big drives/new models/ |
[02:26:20] | mchou: | also seagate shortened their warrantees to 3 years now |
[02:26:33] | mattwj2002: | what was it before? |
[02:26:38] | mchou: | 5 |
[02:26:41] | Dagmar: | 5, for awhile |
[02:26:48] | mattwj2002: | that sucks |
[02:26:57] | mattwj2002: | that is almost half |
[02:27:40] | opello: | in line with other manufacturers |
[02:28:00] | mchou: | actually frys sells the retail version of that drive for the same price |
[02:28:17] | academy: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6051 |
[02:28:19] | Dagmar: | It's Fry's tho, so those are probably drives that other customers already returned |
[02:28:28] | mchou: | better protection packaging than newegg |
[02:28:37] | poodyp: | 1.5TB is like 4000 hours of TV |
[02:28:44] | mchou: | Dagmar: nope. new. |
[02:29:03] | mchou: | frys has palettes of new stuff |
[02:29:12] | mattwj2002: | a lot less if you do HDTV |
[02:29:27] | mattwj2002: | only about a weeks worth of HDTV |
[02:29:32] | mchou: | Dagmar: no need to picked a "returned" one |
[02:29:56] | mchou: | mattwj2002: what? you sure you did your math right? |
[02:30:08] | mattwj2002: | let me check it again |
[02:30:12] | mchou: | 1 hr HDTV ~ 10GB |
[02:30:27] | mchou: | actually slightly less |
[02:30:45] | poodyp: | compressed I usually get about 400mb |
[02:30:45] | mattwj2002: | I thought it was about 6 GB per hour |
[02:30:56] | mchou: | it's around 8 or so |
[02:31:14] | mattwj2002: | okay well 8 GB per hour |
[02:31:22] | mattwj2002: | is 187.5 hours |
[02:31:32] | mattwj2002: | 168 hours in a week |
[02:31:36] | mchou: | lol |
[02:31:48] | mattwj2002: | not much for storage |
[02:31:50] | mattwj2002: | :P |
[02:32:18] | mchou: | if you have time to sit and watch 180+ programs in a week you have other "issues" |
[02:32:28] | mattwj2002: | hehe |
[02:32:38] | mattwj2002: | yeah not I |
[02:32:46] | mattwj2002: | I work :) |
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[02:36:34] | mattwj2002: | what happened to the reliable 1.5 TB hard drives |
[02:36:36] | mattwj2002: | ? |
[02:36:53] | mchou: | what doe you mean what happened? |
[02:37:11] | mchou: | reliable 1.5TB is oxymoron |
[02:37:21] | mattwj2002: | when I bought my 1.5 TB hard drive was rated better |
[02:37:23] | mchou: | unobtainium |
[02:37:32] | mattwj2002: | *it was |
[02:37:56] | mchou: | what make was this? |
[02:39:25] | mattwj2002: | nm |
[02:39:30] | mattwj2002: | it is the same drive :( |
[02:39:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | Reports like these ^^ are why I haven't upgraded my 500GB drives... |
[02:39:57] | mchou: | mattwj2002: you havent upgraded your drive firmware? |
[02:40:47] | mattwj2002: | nope |
[02:41:22] | mchou: | mattwj2002: you know which ver you got? |
[02:41:33] | mattwj2002: | no idea |
[02:41:50] | mchou: | you better find out |
[02:42:11] | mattwj2002: | I am surprised a hard drive has firmware |
[02:42:20] | mchou: | lol |
[02:42:22] | mattwj2002: | I have never heard of such a thinng |
[02:42:31] | mchou: | every hard drive has firmware afaik |
[02:42:46] | mattwj2002: | trippy |
[02:42:47] | mattwj2002: | :P |
[02:44:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: The old MFM and RLL drives don't... ;-) At least none that you can upgrade! ;-) |
[02:44:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: (And the controllers probably had it in a ROM...) |
[02:48:11] | mattwj2002: | I don't see anything about firmware upgrading on the seagate website |
[02:48:17] | mattwj2002: | I think you guys are joking |
[02:49:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | mattwj2002: No joke. |
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[02:49:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | mattwj2002: I don't have any of the new 1+TB drives, so I don't know where to download the firmware from. |
[02:50:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | mattwj2002: Maybe you have to register your drive first before you can get a firmware upgrade? |
[02:52:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | mattwj2002: The MFM/RLL drives I referenced are from ~20 years ago, they didn't have an on-board controller, and thus no 'brains' on the drive itself. IDE has intelligence on the drive, as does SATA and SCSI... |
[02:52:56] | mattwj2002: | okay |
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[02:56:30] | mattwj2002: | wow |
[02:56:36] | mattwj2002: | I stand corrected |
[02:57:35] | mattwj2002: | I just found firmware to upgrade hard drives |
[02:57:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | np. |
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[02:58:27] | candrews: | What is a 2 channel IR remote control versus a 1 channel remote? |
[02:59:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | candrews: ok, in what context? What are you trying to do? |
[03:00:15] | candrews: | I'm deciding what remote to buy. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880121002 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . pk=GP-IR01BK |
[03:00:22] | candrews: | And I cannot figure out what the difference is :-) |
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[03:02:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | candrews: I don't know what the difference is that they're referring to – but this looks like a 'standard' MCE remote, and should use the MCEUSB2 LIRC driver, and work well. |
[03:03:15] | candrews: | Yep. I really like the button layout, and according to google, both the 01 and 02 work with the mceusb2 driver. I just don't know what the 2/1 channel things mean, so I can't decide which to get. |
[03:03:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | candrews: Unless perhaps the '2 channel' one has controls for a TV as well... |
[03:04:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | candrews: IE: I have two MCE remotes that have "TV Power" and volume/mute buttons that can be programmed to the TV. |
[03:04:23] | candrews: | If that's what the 2 channel means, I'm totally getting the 2 channel! |
[03:04:42] | candrews: | Yep – that's it! This site's description says so: http://gogofan.com/gogofannew/product_info.php?products_id=1388 |
[03:04:59] | candrews: | I really wish the "normal" sites (amazon, newegg, etc) made that clear. |
[03:05:29] | candrews: | thank you very much |
[03:05:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | candrews: Yeah, I hear ya. ;-) |
[03:05:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | np. |
[03:05:46] | ** mattwj2002 buys J-e-f-f-A a beer ** | |
[03:06:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | mattwj2002: Where were you last-night? ;-) |
[03:06:30] | mattwj2002: | hehe |
[03:06:56] | mattwj2002: | working until midnight and at the casino after that |
[03:06:57] | mattwj2002: | :P |
[03:11:54] | ** J-e-f-f-A gives up on this Athlon M 2800 box and decides to ressurect his old Socket 939 Athlon 64 x2 4600 for his test bed... ** | |
[03:12:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | Anyone running FC10 and Trunk? Got any 'gotchas' to share? |
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[03:21:30] | iamlindoro: | OSD concept: http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-osd.png |
[03:23:31] | i_is_cat: | is it just me or does the mythlcdserver seem to be super slow and not display 95% of things...? |
[03:27:43] | i_is_cat: | for example the heartbeat stays on all the time whether its selected or not, after adjusting the lcd settings in the setup it reboots the frontend and the lcd shows "utilities/setup" but move to a different menu option and it goes blank except the heartbeat, watching livetv doesnt show anything but the time and date on the lcd, i just tried a video in iso format it showed the name of the file then chapter 1/1 so that seems ok |
[03:27:43] | i_is_cat: | .. |
[03:28:47] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Now that has potential. looks nice |
[03:29:04] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, Where now that = the things before didn't? ;) |
[03:29:21] | iamlindoro: | Thanks "_ |
[03:29:23] | iamlindoro: | er :) |
[03:30:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | i_is_cat: I haven't seen that issue, mine is very responsive. But I'm also running on an Athlon 64 x2 4800... |
[03:30:48] | i_is_cat: | mines a 4600+ 4gb ram |
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[03:31:17] | i_is_cat: | btw iamlindoro, that osd looks amazing i want it now |
[03:31:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | i_is_cat: You say the heartbeat stays on? Sounds like you don't have the LCDd server status screens disabled in the LCDd.conf file. |
[03:31:37] | iamlindoro: | i_is_cat, Heh, will have to wait for MythUI to come to the OSD first :) |
[03:31:43] | iamlindoro: | But should be quick then |
[03:32:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: nice! ;-) (Of course, it fits in with all your other nice work too!) |
[03:33:13] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, There are a choice few things where I have a few good ideas :) I'm just doing them first |
[03:33:21] | iamlindoro: | if you want to see stammering ask how the menu layout will work |
[03:33:47] | i_is_cat: | J-e-f-f-A, no i dont have the status screen disabled, does it make a difference with the myth lcd? |
[03:34:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | i_is_cat: It may, if they're alternating between the LCDd server screens and tne MythTV screens. |
[03:35:27] | i_is_cat: | hmm its worth checking thanks :) |
[03:37:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: I'm building a new test bed – this FC9 Athlon Mobile 2800 box just isn't agreeing with me... I can't do squat with the tuners... even outside of Myth, so something is wonky. |
[03:37:31] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Two days spent on that, I'm sure you're getting irritated |
[03:37:50] | i_is_cat: | try something other than fc9? :S |
[03:38:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Yeah, besides, my 'old' backend was sitting in the other room, and it's faster... Athlon 64 x2 4600... sould make a better test bed anyways. ;-) |
[03:39:29] | i_is_cat: | i lucked out on my mobo when i bought it, asus m2npv-vm which after i had purchased, i read was the basis of linuxmce so everything should work perfectly with myth and for the most part things have been A-OK |
[03:39:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | i_is_cat: Yeah.. I had Ubuntu on it before, and it was OK, but I'm more comfortable/experience with Fedora, so I thought I'd go that route. |
[03:40:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | i_is_cat: linuxmce != mythtv btw... |
[03:41:02] | i_is_cat: | oh i know, but its the point that if the hardware was the basis of their distro which is aimed at home entertainment, then it should be more than satisfactory with anything i throw at it |
[03:41:18] | i_is_cat: | and its lived up to its potential so far |
[03:41:51] | i_is_cat: | i use slackware on my systems |
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[03:42:07] | i_is_cat: | and i find it to be the most trouble-free distro i've used |
[03:42:35] | i_is_cat: | mythtv installed so easily earlier.. :D |
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[03:44:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | i_is_cat: I cut my teeth on Jarod Wilson's Fedora guide, on FC2 IIRC, years ago... I'm currently running FC8 and 0.21-fixes from source. Building a better test box to [finally] get involved in development. |
[03:45:53] | wolfspirit: | on ubuntu with the mythbuntu packages installed (0.21-fixes) running intrepid as my backend and frontend.. a few days ago my dvr drive hit 100% and every since then I've been working through several small issues.. I have resolved a few of them but I've noticed now that even though mythweb says I have my scheduled recordings there are NO upcoming recordings scheduled... nothing in the logs indicates why there is a problem is in |
[03:46:09] | i_is_cat: | fc2 was the first fedora core i used.. up until that point i was still using rh7.3 |
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[03:46:19] | i_is_cat: | and i really disliked the fedora |
[03:46:44] | iamlindoro: | wolfspirit, Does the drive include /var/lib? |
[03:47:41] | wolfspirit: | iamlindoro: no it's literally one directory on this drive and that's just "myth-dvr" and it's mounted under /media/sdc1 |
[03:48:00] | iamlindoro: | Check your database regardless, sounds like broken DB. |
[03:48:27] | wolfspirit: | iamlindoro: well that's what I meant.. I ran the repair commands anyways and still a no go |
[03:48:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | i_is_cat: I like it — I know it's a bit 'bloated', but it's easy to use, and I've come to know it's ins&outs pretty well. |
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[03:49:18] | fuxxy: | hmm, weird |
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[03:50:08] | wolfspirit: | iamlindoro: under /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg I ran myisamchk -r *.MYI |
[03:50:16] | fuxxy: | i'm attempting to run mythtv-setup on my headless fileserver, using an SSH X forward to my laptop. The GUI loads, and I see the background, but the text shows up as white squares.. Any idea what could be the problem? |
[03:50:23] | i_is_cat: | yep well everyone has their own preference.. i think its worth trying something else on the system that wont even work with your hardware though |
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[03:52:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | i_is_cat: Yeah, that was a cheap $60 cpu/motherboard/mem combo I bought a year or so ago, fine for a web browsing pc, and worked ok for a test bed for a while, but was wonky on fc9. I may have been able to re-install and start from scratch, but why? I'll just use my old backend box... ;-) It's at least 2x as fast anyways... |
[03:54:35] | i_is_cat: | well if you have something else that works better then use it instead.. i thought you were interested in getting the wonky one up and running |
[03:55:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Nope. ;-) I'll probably give it to my son... ;-) |
[03:55:37] | i_is_cat: | i'd like to get another machine setup to take the recordings on the backend, transcode them to something smaller, and then put them back on the backend and delete the original |
[03:55:42] | poodyp: | I use gentoo because I'm elitist and like to think that compiling all my software with -march=athlon64 -O2 -pipe makes it go fastar |
[03:56:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | poodyp: I'm getting there... I compile myth from source and lcdproc, etc... ;-) Just a little more work I think... |
[03:58:01] | i_is_cat: | this lcd thing is worse off than it was lol i set the server screen to not show up and now all i get is the heartbeat which wont go away |
[03:58:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | i_is_cat: sounds like you've got more than one thing writing to it... |
[03:58:54] | Dagmar: | Stab it a few times. |
[03:58:57] | i_is_cat: | shouldnt be |
[03:59:19] | i_is_cat: | hmm unless theres more than one mythlcdserver going...... |
[04:00:07] | fuxxy: | poodyp, that doesn't make you elitist, it makes you a ricer :) |
[04:00:49] | poodyp: | lol |
[04:01:10] | wolfspirit: | iamlindoro: I ran mysqlcheck -r -umythtv -p<password> mythconverg as well and still nothing |
[04:02:13] | iamlindoro: | wolfspirit, Do all the recording rules still show up? |
[04:02:42] | wolfspirit: | iamlindoro: in mythweb yes |
[04:02:45] | poodyp: | I sometimes switch to -O3 just to be on the bleeding edge |
[04:03:09] | iamlindoro: | wolfspirit, And as insulting as it may be, I have to ask, You've restarted the system and backend since? |
[04:03:24] | wolfspirit: | iamlindoro: yeah |
[04:03:37] | iamlindoro: | wolfspirit, okay... tuner cards still available? |
[04:03:46] | wolfspirit: | iamlindoro: yeah I can watch live tv |
[04:03:48] | erb: | is it normal for my computer to take 5 times as long booting up when i use s-video out compared to a regular monitor? |
[04:03:49] | iamlindoro: | if myth can't get to the cards, it will show something like what you're seeing |
[04:04:00] | iamlindoro: | wolfspirit, hmm, very weird... I definitely suspect DB issues, then |
[04:04:01] | erb: | the TV flashes a lot then eventually myth opens up |
[04:04:14] | iamlindoro: | wolfspirit, ie the data may be consistent, but consistent and wrong |
[04:04:17] | wolfspirit: | iamlindoro: I assumed it may be the case... |
[04:04:19] | erb: | it takes like 3 minutes though when normally if its connected to a monitor it takes like 30 seconds to fully boot |
[04:04:27] | Dagmar: | LOL |
[04:04:31] | Dagmar: | C'mon ma. |
[04:04:33] | Dagmar: | er man. |
[04:04:34] | iamlindoro: | wolfspirit, What happens if you add a new rec rule? |
[04:04:43] | Dagmar: | I know your computer isn't booting from being powered off that fast. |
[04:04:50] | wolfspirit: | iamlindoro: but if a repair won't work... I guess I would have to reinstall the DB? |
[04:04:56] | erb: | dagmar, what? |
[04:05:07] | iamlindoro: | wolfspirit, Kinda depends, it might be enough to truncate the rules and recreate them if new rules work |
[04:05:21] | erb: | my mythbuntu box takes like 30 seconds from power off to mythbuntu menu |
[04:05:31] | wolfspirit: | iamlindoro: it doesn't light up in the program guide but in mythweb shows under the manual recordings section but again... nothing in upcoming recordings.. and no recordings kick on |
[04:05:40] | erb: | my vista box takes less then 3 seconds to go from power off to vista on |
[04:05:48] | erb: | but thats cheating w/ asrock instant boot |
[04:06:01] | Dagmar: | That's called "hibernate mode". |
[04:06:02] | iamlindoro: | wolfspirit, Hmm, yeah, I'm at a loss but there's almost nothing else it could be |
[04:06:14] | erb: | its not hibernating |
[04:06:16] | erb: | you can unplug it |
[04:06:19] | iamlindoro: | wolfspirit, If you have a recent DB backup, try backing up what you ahve now and inserting the old one |
[04:06:20] | erb: | its just a hack from asrock |
[04:06:23] | Dagmar: | Vista doesn't initialize it's hardware in three seconds. |
[04:06:37] | erb: | ok you know everything so help me out here |
[04:06:40] | Dagmar: | ...and yes, when *hibernating* you *can* unplug the computer. |
[04:06:53] | wolfspirit: | iamlindoro: can I just wipe that particular table? would you happen to know which one it is? I would hate to lose my emulator configs etc. |
[04:06:53] | Dagmar: | What I suspect is that you're simply not measuing time properly. |
[04:06:58] | Dagmar: | ...but if it's not that... |
[04:07:15] | iamlindoro: | wolfspirit, That's why you should back up what you have now :) |
[04:07:16] | Dagmar: | ...then you need to fix the X config so that it doesn't spend a lot of time spanking around trying to find a mode the s-video output will do. |
[04:07:33] | erb: | sounds like the issue |
[04:07:49] | erb: | i figured setting the resolution before and was enough |
[04:07:52] | erb: | my bios loads fine |
[04:08:00] | erb: | but it is x windows that presents the problem |
[04:08:04] | Dagmar: | You should probably start by just plopping a directive in that locks the vertical refresh rate to 60Hz (or 50Hz if yer on PAL) |
[04:08:09] | wolfspirit: | iamlindoro: I know.. I've been meaning to do a whole image backup of my install in case things go awry but never got around to it |
[04:08:11] | erb: | soon as i get past the grub loader it goes all hay wire |
[04:08:40] | iamlindoro: | wolfspirit, once you establish what's broken, you can reinsert the other stuff (emu stuff, etc) |
[04:09:06] | erb: | thanks for the tips dag |
[04:09:15] | Dagmar: | For *most* nVidia cards the things just automatically turn on the S-Video port if a) something's plugged into it and b) you're using a refresh rate it knows TV can handle (ie, 50/60Hz) |
[04:09:21] | erb: | i just watched gran torino with my mythbuntu box |
[04:09:28] | erb: | one of the better movies i've seen lately |
[04:09:41] | erb: | this is an ATI card |
[04:09:42] | iamlindoro: | don't talk about stolen stuff in here |
[04:09:55] | erb: | stolen? |
[04:10:07] | iamlindoro: | you just watched a movie that came out this week on your mythbuntu box?? |
[04:10:14] | iamlindoro: | That would be "stolen" |
[04:10:36] | erb: | if i'm a film critic? |
[04:10:41] | Dagmar: | Sure you are. |
[04:10:46] | Dagmar: | Let's put this anotehr way |
[04:10:53] | Dagmar: | DON'T BRING THE MPAA DOWN ON OUR HEADS. |
[04:11:00] | erb: | sounds like a plan |
[04:11:08] | Dagmar: | We'll find where you live, and paint your car pink, purple, green, and orange. |
[04:11:20] | erb: | it would fit in |
[04:11:22] | erb: | i live in the hood |
[04:11:25] | Dagmar: | ...and kittens on it. |
[04:11:25] | erb: | no ones going to notice |
[04:11:33] | erb: | the kitten thing takes it a little too far |
[04:11:40] | erb: | i'll get an asian girlfriend |
[04:11:43] | erb: | and i'll be good |
[04:12:24] | Dagmar: | I've no idea what ATI does with it's s-video ports, but locking the vertrefresh rate probably can't hurt anything |
[04:12:59] | i_is_cat: | ati s-video can be fun to configure |
[04:13:01] | i_is_cat: | :S |
[04:14:30] | erb: | i'm just happy that i have a thousand video adapters laying around from past video cards |
[04:14:35] | Dagmar: | i_is_cat: You've got an idea as to what ATI's stuff does when it initializes s-video output? |
[04:14:44] | erb: | it uses one of their funny dongles instead of a straight s-video output port |
[04:15:25] | erb: | it does it whether its an s-video connection or if i use component video |
[04:15:32] | erb: | though i figure its the same thing as far as the card is concerned |
[04:18:00] | Dagmar: | Mostly it is, yeah |
[04:18:11] | Dagmar: | S-video's signal is a little "hotter" |
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[04:26:53] | erb: | i'm not sure if you'll know this, i have an old remote with the usb rf transmitter from an older ati all in wonder card thta i hvent used in years |
[04:26:59] | erb: | would myth be able to use tht for this other ati card? |
[04:27:11] | erb: | this one has no tv out or anything |
[04:27:18] | erb: | just an old x850 xt |
[04:27:28] | Dagmar: | That's up to LIRC< but i'm giving it a 75% chance of no |
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[04:30:20] | Anduin: | there is also the atiusb thing for X events that may work |
[04:31:03] | Dagmar: | Ah that's a good lead |
[04:32:15] | Anduin: | probably not that great of one, I'm almost certainly mangled something |
[04:32:59] | fuxxy: | Is there any trick to setting up mythtv-setup via an SSH X forward? |
[04:33:26] | Dagmar: | Nothing beyond setting up X for forwarding correctly |
[04:33:34] | fuxxy: | I get the screen to load, but there's no text, only squares where the letters should be. |
[04:33:46] | Dagmar: | So you might be missing some fonts |
[04:33:57] | fuxxy: | hmm. That's an idea. |
[04:34:15] | fuxxy: | What fonts should I need? I belive mythtv-setup is configured to use G.A.N.T |
[04:34:26] | Dagmar: | That's not a font. |
[04:34:45] | fuxxy: | agreed, it's a theme. |
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[04:35:31] | iamlindoro: | msttcorefonts |
[04:36:25] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro, looks good, msttcorefonts were not installed in this ubuntu laptop. |
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[04:36:50] | Dagmar: | Yeah generally you wwant an identical presence on both ends |
[04:38:48] | rhpot1991: | I am having an issue streaming dvd iso's to a 2nd BE+FE combo. The video skips every so often (as to keep up with the audio). I have tried a few things: disabling upnp and changing the playback profile did not help. If I change from internal player to xine, the problem seems to go away. Anyone have any bright ideas? |
[04:39:06] | fuxxy: | hmm. With msttcorefonts installed, I'm still getting the squares. |
[04:41:27] | fuxxy: | I guess I can set up a VNC x server and set it up that way |
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[04:43:09] | unstable: | I'm looking for something that isn't mythtv related at all really. I want some cheap $100 box, that I can just stream movies from my laptop to. And it will play on my tv. |
[04:43:13] | unstable: | Anyone know of a box like this? or where to buy it. |
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[04:43:28] | Dagmar: | slingbox maybe |
[04:43:29] | Dagmar: | Used |
[04:43:37] | Dagmar: | Oh wait... |
[04:43:46] | Dagmar: | DirectTV HD recievers are about $120 |
[04:44:01] | Dagmar: | ....except it's not going to stream from your laptop |
[04:44:24] | unstable: | I actually saw some digital signage company pitch this to me at my work, but I threw out the guys card. It was a small box, like 3 inches by 3 inches. Had RJ45 port, and rca ports. that's it. just some board, with an IC on it. |
[04:44:37] | fuxxy: | unstable, a first-gen xbox is capable of playing movies from your laptop. |
[04:44:51] | unstable: | And it even had an sd card you could put in it, and put content on it, or just configure it to stream. |
[04:47:01] | Shadow___X: | hmm popcorn hour could be something like that |
[04:47:09] | Shadow___X: | they seem decent for that kind of stuff |
[04:47:16] | Shadow___X: | first gen xbox cant do hd |
[04:48:29] | Dagmar: | Short of just buying another laptop there's no way that price point is going to be reached as far as I know |
[04:49:35] | Shadow___X: | Dagmar: what are you talking about |
[04:49:48] | Dagmar: | What that guy was wanting |
[04:49:56] | wolfspirit: | iamlindoro: tried removing all entries from the record tables that seemed to make sense, ran a full update on the system, and rebooted still has the same behavior :( |
[04:49:56] | unstable: | I saw it, for $100 |
[04:49:59] | Shadow___X: | ah |
[04:50:19] | unstable: | It was just some tiny box, a printed circuit board inside, had rca output, ethernet, and sd card. |
[04:50:24] | iamlindoro: | wolfspirit, But did you try with a fresh DB? Otherwise you and I are both just guessing |
[04:50:53] | wolfspirit: | iamlindoro: no... just let myth create a new one? |
[04:51:28] | iamlindoro: | wolfspirit, No, you would need to back up your existing, use a "drop database mythconverg;" and import a new one with the mc.sql script |
[04:52:29] | wolfspirit: | iamlindoro: where is that script located? |
[04:52:35] | Dagmar: | Well, next time buy the thing |
[04:52:46] | iamlindoro: | in the source |
[04:53:02] | Shadow___X: | unstable: if you look around online you can find boxes like that |
[04:53:26] | unstable: | http://www.etmedia.net/iptv/stb.html |
[04:53:36] | unstable: | I think that might be it, I'm not sure. they don't list a price for that one. |
[04:53:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | unstable: sounds like the 1st generation Neuros box... and it was $200+ ... they've got new stuff out now... |
[04:53:49] | unstable: | The content looks pretty good, I mean for SD that is. |
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[04:53:57] | Dagmar: | For $250-ish you've got some options. |
[04:54:01] | Dagmar: | $100, not so much |
[04:54:11] | Shadow___X: | popcorn hour seems to be decent imo |
[04:54:27] | Shadow___X: | but there seems to be alot of the same things emerging |
[04:54:52] | Dagmar: | $179 or so tho |
[04:54:53] | unstable: | $250 is a lot. |
[04:55:07] | unstable: | I can make a headless box, that I can put mythtv on for what, like 500? |
[04:55:23] | poodyp: | you could make one for 200 |
[04:55:24] | unstable: | So if I'm going to go that far, might as well go the extra mile. |
[04:55:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | unstable: for SD, much less, you can build it with spare parts. |
[04:55:30] | unstable: | wow, 200 really? |
[04:55:34] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Second revision: http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-osd2.png |
[04:55:44] | unstable: | poodyp: That can do everything? |
[04:55:48] | poodyp: | I've specced a computer on newegg for 200 |
[04:55:48] | Shadow___X: | it all depends on what you want to do with it |
[04:56:01] | Shadow___X: | and you need to define everything unstable thats way to general |
[04:56:05] | poodyp: | if you're willing to test the waters with VDPAU it can do HD as well |
[04:56:09] | Shadow___X: | hey iamlindoro loking nice |
[04:56:11] | poodyp: | and it's mini-ITX |
[04:56:14] | Shadow___X: | i would def want something like that |
[04:56:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Yeah, my cousin works there, and showed me the prototype of the 1st gen one – that was summer 2007... |
[04:56:39] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Heh, no, *My* OSD, revision2 |
[04:56:48] | poodyp: | if you don't mind the size mini-ATX would be cheaper |
[04:56:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | DOH! ;-) Yeah, just pulled it up! |
[04:57:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: ooh, nice! ;-) |
[04:57:30] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Yeah, I like this one, going to resist the urge to tinker too much with it |
[04:57:43] | poodyp: | but this isn't counting remotes, cables, or optical and magnetic drives |
[04:58:19] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Red Record icon next to the time is animated. Rotates and fades in and out |
[04:58:25] | unstable: | Are there decent AIO boxes you can buy for mythtv, with ir blaster, remote, nice front ui, etc? |
[04:58:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: What's that – a "currently recording" indicator? |
[04:59:16] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, By "red recording" yes, I mean recording ;) |
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[04:59:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Duh... my brain skipped right over the word "recording"... ugh... I guess I better get to bed, I've got to work tomorrow... |
[05:00:12] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Luckily for once I've got the day off, good night |
[05:01:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehe... ttyl... ;-) Keep up the good work- things are looking very nice. I've got to stop at Micro Center tomorrow and pick up another PCIe video card, as I don't happen to have one for my test system... |
[05:06:28] | mfwitten: | Anybody here? |
[05:08:56] | iamlindoro: | nope |
[05:09:28] | poodyp: | I know I'm not there |
[05:10:04] | Shadow___X: | not available |
[05:10:12] | iamlindoro: | no estoy aqui |
[05:10:42] | Shadow___X: | yo tampoco |
[05:12:07] | fuxxy: | Oh wow. It appears that the headless machine running mythtv-setup was missing a dep. Something that was pulled in by either the x11vnc ebuild or the tightvnc ebuild |
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[05:31:38] | iamlindoro: | Awesome. Freenode is awesome. |
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[05:33:35] | Dagmar: | So, what goes inside awsome? Win? |
[05:34:13] | iamlindoro: | sure! |
[05:34:29] | Dagmar: | I blame Blizzard for the server instability. |
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[05:34:51] | Dagmar: | \All those people piling into the World of Warcraft servers is putting too much strain on the west coast intertubes |
[05:35:08] | Dagmar: | The server queues are just making things worse. |
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[05:36:05] | Dagmar: | If something busts, there's going to be packets all over the coastline, choking fish and slowly poisoning sea birds. |
[05:36:17] | wolfspirit: | iamlindoro: a fresh DB works |
[05:36:19] | Dagmar: | I hope they're happy with themselves. They're about to cause an ecological disaster. |
[05:37:31] | iamlindoro: | wolfspirit, Ewww, yucky. Well, in that case, look at section 23.5 of the manual-- except instead of *saving* those tables, you're going to rip them out. "truncate table recorded;" etc. etc. on the four or so tables mentioned there *should* work |
[05:37:35] | iamlindoro: | (but no promises) |
[05:38:48] | wolfspirit: | well I was planning on removing the record* tables from my old backup and just copying the new ones into it and renaming that DB mythconverg... you think that might work? |
[05:39:05] | iamlindoro: | wolfspirit, Can't hurt to try |
[05:39:14] | iamlindoro: | although don't remove them, truncate them |
[05:39:22] | iamlindoro: | you still need the tables present, you just want them empty |
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[05:47:10] | wolfspirit: | iamlindoro: wow.. that didn't work |
[05:47:38] | iamlindoro: | wolfspirit, Oof... but you made backups, right? |
[05:47:42] | iamlindoro: | like, actual file backups? |
[05:47:47] | iamlindoro: | mysqldump backups? |
[05:47:47] | wolfspirit: | I guess I'll try emptying them next instead of copying over |
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[05:48:21] | wolfspirit: | nah but I have multiple copies of the DB in mysql |
[05:48:58] | wolfspirit: | I'll try emptying it... not right now though.. watching videos work and I want to stop before I go to bed so I can relax a bit |
[05:49:09] | iamlindoro: | You really ought to make a mysqldump before you go further |
[05:49:14] | wolfspirit: | thank you for your help though.. you have help guide me through a bit of this |
[05:49:18] | iamlindoro: | ok, good luck |
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[07:48:02] | justinh: | wow. first day back & I'm the first in the building |
[07:48:35] | justinh: | wasn't sure if my key fob would lower the car park bollards or not, but it did despite me not being on the list. heh |
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[07:50:43] | i_is_cat: | weird... my mythtv is recording stuff i never set it to record :S |
[07:50:56] | stuarta: | not possible |
[07:51:32] | i_is_cat: | well i'm watching the critic right now.. and i sure as hell never set it to record |
[07:51:47] | stuarta: | someone else in the house? |
[07:51:51] | justinh: | you do know mythtv records _everything_ – even what you watch, right? |
[07:51:57] | stuarta: | mythweb exposed to the word with no password? |
[07:52:00] | iamlindoro__: | justinh: http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-osd2.png my osd plans if UI alows |
[07:52:51] | i_is_cat: | never used mythweb, no one else is in the house, and its recorded shows on channels i never watched |
[07:52:56] | justinh: | ooo, a manager who knows FA about hardware has been bumped from managing the hardware team. blimey |
[07:53:12] | i_is_cat: | like wheel of fortune.. wtf? |
[07:53:41] | stuarta: | myth doesn't just randomly record stuff |
[07:53:45] | justinh: | i_is_cat: you inadvertently installed mythtaste ;-) |
[07:53:49] | stuarta: | there _must_ be a recording rule |
[07:53:49] | iamlindoro__: | Don't lie, you love the wheel |
[07:54:14] | iamlindoro__: | or you browsed past it in liveTV and are looking at the "all" filter group |
[07:54:31] | iamlindoro__: | But, as we know, only idiots use liveTV |
[07:54:37] | iamlindoro__: | So that must not be it ;) |
[07:54:42] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: nice OSD. dunno what's wrong with using the whole width of the screen though |
[07:54:45] | i_is_cat: | lol |
[07:54:47] | stuarta: | people use livetv? |
[07:55:01] | iamlindoro__: | justinh: Dunno what's wrong with not ;) |
[07:55:04] | stuarta: | i thought that was only for testing :-p |
[07:55:30] | iamlindoro__: | justinh: Just pretend I'm making this one part overscan safe ;) |
[07:56:12] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: btw I thought about that overscan schtick.. and er.. was it not me who scribbled the arrow moving gadget to do away with needing to be overscan aware? Whoops |
[07:56:30] | iamlindoro__: | And we all thank you for it :) |
[07:56:39] | justinh: | do you? :P |
[07:56:49] | iamlindoro__: | Well... I do, does that count? |
[07:56:51] | justinh: | hell I think I've only ever used it once |
[07:57:11] | justinh: | but then, most people generally would only need to use it the once |
[07:58:45] | iamlindoro__: | Given the mad pace of "screw it, I'll just try knoppmyth/mythbuntu/mythdora/praying/animal sacrifice," each person could use it dozens of times |
[07:59:26] | justinh: | arghhh. last time I ever open one of your HD mockups on this machine (my work desktop). I just had to watch the screen be redrawn line by line accompanied by the sound of the HDD |
[07:59:59] | iamlindoro__: | blame work for your sheisty computer, it's just a PNG |
[08:00:08] | justinh: | they really should give us moar rams |
[08:00:39] | justinh: | I forget what this machine has but I think it's only 256MB |
[08:01:29] | justinh: | screw it. I'm closing outlook |
[08:03:09] | justinh: | wonder if thunderbird will work with an exchange server |
[08:03:15] | i_is_cat: | oooooh its playing a dvd super choppy :S |
[08:03:38] | stuarta: | justinh: yes, if it does IMAP/POP |
[08:03:43] | ** justinh is still waiting for outlook to exit. jees! ** | |
[08:03:51] | justinh: | stuarta: bleh. no use here then :( |
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[08:11:11] | justinh: | bah. now my nx connection won't come up. negotiating link parameters ad infinitum |
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[08:20:38] | justinh: | ahh it's the corporate 'anti virus' which is holding up my machine. piece of crap |
[08:26:07] | justinh: | shudder. Mamma Mia tops all-time DVD sales. ugh |
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[08:26:42] | stuarta: | missus loved the film |
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[08:27:23] | justinh: | take her to the west end show, she'll love that even more |
[08:27:52] | justinh: | just take earplugs for the end. spoils the whole thing, that part |
[08:29:57] | stuarta: | she goes with the girls to that sort of thing :) |
[08:30:05] | justinh: | lucky you ;-) |
[08:30:14] | stuarta: | :) = mythtv time for me |
[08:30:50] | stuarta: | eek. libgl1-mesa-dri-dbg 7.0.3–7 [80.1MB] |
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[08:40:26] | justinh: | heh the company announcement emails now have an unsubscribe option. CLICK |
[08:40:50] | justinh: | oops. that'll be my card marked then. |
[08:41:18] | stuarta: | loyalty-- |
[08:54:23] | justinh: | ouch. £80 return to Brighton at the end of the month. I think I'll be driving |
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[09:27:43] | justinh: | oh this sounds safe in the extreme... "Good quality mains leads (Russ Andrews Reference cord – with fuses shorted using copper rods)". maybe we'll ultimately end up with less hifi nuts in the world :) |
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[09:37:09] | gbee: | wtf? |
[09:37:49] | justinh: | yeah apparently mains fuses introduce unacceptable distortion on the mains due to their slight inductance |
[09:38:12] | i_is_cat: | when myth rips a dvd in individual titles, does it choose which titles to rip first or is it supposed to do them in order? |
[09:39:05] | i_is_cat: | ive got about 50 titles im trying to rip and it seemed to be frozen saying "waiting for access to dvd" so i skipped ahead and its ripping title 38 but missed the first 37 |
[09:41:34] | stuarta: | ah, Xnest you are my friend |
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[10:39:10] | justinh: | ffs. wife complaining she can't print a document. why? cos she's using my effing desktop which doesn't have a printer installed or attached. USE YOUR EFFING LAPTOP WOMAN! |
[10:40:02] | ** stuarta chuckles ** | |
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[10:40:32] | stuarta: | grumpy helpdesk, brought to you by justinh |
[10:41:00] | justinh: | she got her own gear to stop her needing to use mine, yet she continues to use mine. ffs not even I use my desktop box anymore |
[10:41:13] | laga: | because you use her gear? |
[10:41:19] | justinh: | nope |
[10:41:25] | stuarta: | steal the laptop and add a printer to the old desktop |
[10:41:34] | justinh: | wouldn't touch hers. shitty dell vostro with amd puny CPU |
[10:41:51] | justinh: | and to make matters worse, vista |
[10:45:30] | justinh: | so now she's using the laptop & it still won't print. access denied apparently. not what cups is saying |
[10:47:07] | justinh: | and the whole conversation is happening via text message. which kind of makes me want to throw my phone away |
[10:49:36] | gbee: | anyone have any pretty screenshots for me today? |
[10:53:13] | wagnerrp: | oof! got locked out of VNC |
[10:53:35] | wagnerrp: | i accidentally has caps lock on, so i kept typing the wrong password |
[10:54:56] | gbee: | no? Maybe I'll have to make my own then, does anyone have a favourite skin (well a particular screen) in MCE,MP,XBMC,Elisa,Boxee that they would like to know is possible with mythui? |
[11:00:14] | justinh: | hmm. now my phone is bricked. don't want to buy a new one but suppose I'll have to. Argghh |
[11:00:34] | wagnerrp: | dont often hear of phones going bad |
[11:01:03] | justinh: | not even when someone smashes it repeatedly on a desk because he's sick of being harrassed by text message? |
[11:01:14] | wagnerrp: | batteries, sure. dropped in water, sometimes. but not just outright broken |
[11:02:28] | justinh: | considering not giving my wife my new number IF I decide to replace it |
[11:02:57] | wagnerrp: | i dont see this ending well... |
[11:04:32] | justinh: | my phone has been a constant source of annoyance since I got one. people contacting me when I don't want to be contacted, and when I need to speak to people they're either not available or the call quality is so bad I might as well try yelling |
[11:04:41] | justinh: | as in yelling without using a phone |
[11:05:12] | gbee: | that's why I don't give anyone my number and the phone remains off when I'm not making a call |
[11:06:13] | justinh: | she even effing texts me when we're at home FFS |
[11:06:32] | gbee: | I hate the damn things, but having been in real need of contacting someone when I don't have a phone and there is no phonebox for miles, I've come to accept I have to have one |
[11:08:28] | justinh: | been thinking over the last few days that maybe this just isn't working out after all. it's not _not_ working, but it's not IS working if you know what I mean |
[11:09:00] | justinh: | the ancient art of 'making do' |
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[11:53:30] | ushills: | Hi, I'm having a few problems with recordings jumping and skipping on mythtv, this usually happens after the backend has been up for a few days and the RAM fills to 98%. Recording are totally unwatchable, at other times recordings are great. any ideas |
[11:57:36] | stuarta: | how much memory do you have |
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[11:59:34] | ushills: | stuarta: 1.2Gb, with 1gb of swap, it start at 630mb with myth front and back running then fills to 98% after a day or so then will not record properly |
[11:59:56] | gbee: | and which version are you running? "mythbackend --version" to pastebin.ca |
[12:02:35] | ushills: | how do i send to pastbin.ca |
[12:03:03] | ** stuarta raises an eyebrow ** | |
[12:03:20] | sphery: | http://pastebin.ca/ and it's pretty intuitive from there |
[12:04:32] | ushills: | Sorry, http://pastebin.ca/1298229 |
[12:13:31] | gbee: | ushills: which distro? that's 9 months old, pretty much the release version of 0.21 and there have been many fixes since then |
[12:13:46] | gbee: | I suspect that the issue you are seeing has already been fixed |
[12:14:42] | ushills: | this is also what I get when i log in, http://pastebin.ca/1298235. The machine was working fine up to a month ago, thought it was my hard drive being almost full so added another using LVM. Distro is mythbuntu 7.10, will i get latest updates if i upgrade mythbuntu or is there a specific repo with the latest version of mythtv. |
[12:16:20] | gbee: | there should be updated mythtv packages for mythbuntu, but I'm not sure if they are pushed back to all mythbuntu repos |
[12:19:33] | ushills: | Version 0.21 is the version at mythtv.org, where can i get the latest |
[12:20:38] | gbee: | apt-get upgrade? |
[12:22:03] | gbee: | you need an ubuntu/mythbuntu user to give you the full command with correct package names |
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[12:22:11] | gbee: | you could try #mythbuntu |
[12:22:12] | waini: | hi |
[12:23:39] | gbee: | 9 months is far too old for a 0.21 package, ideally you want something created in the last week (but I happen to know that the last ubuntu build was a month or two ago) |
[12:27:20] | ushills: | Is there a location for the latest release, the last stable appears to be 0.21 that is the same as my install. |
[12:30:12] | directhex: | 0.21 still receives fixes in svn |
[12:30:17] | directhex: | it's up to a packager to include them |
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[12:41:09] | waini: | i have trubble setting up a mythtv-slave-backend |
[12:41:43] | waini: | both are running, but the slave-backends tuner does not work |
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[12:42:04] | waini: | it says: Encoder 2 is remote on desktop (currently not connected). |
[12:42:51] | waini: | here is the master-backend-log: http://pastebin.ca/1298252 |
[12:43:06] | laga: | gbee: i'm uploading a weekly build as we speak. for the record: these are not enabled by default. |
[12:43:07] | waini: | here is the slave-backend-log: http://pastebin.ca/1298256 |
[12:43:38] | waini: | any ideas? |
[12:44:35] | waini: | please – i need your help |
[12:57:19] | gbee: | laga: is there a wiki page or something that we can refer mythbuntu/ubnutu users to which explains how to get the latest -fixes patches? |
[12:57:52] | laga: | gbee: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
[12:58:53] | gbee: | ushills: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
[12:59:04] | gbee: | looks like you might want to upgrade mythbuntu |
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[12:59:53] | laga: | well, 8.04 is still supported |
[13:00:06] | laga: | at least that's what i thought |
[13:00:10] | gbee: | he's using 7.10 apparently |
[13:00:14] | laga: | and i'm kinda responsible for that stuff |
[13:00:16] | laga: | oh |
[13:00:17] | laga: | okay. |
[13:00:20] | laga: | that's too old. |
[13:00:45] | directhex: | over a year old. TEH ANCIENTS! |
[13:01:31] | laga: | well, it still had 0.20 and only a half-assed update to 0.21 |
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[13:02:12] | waini: | any ideas hot to solve my problem? |
[13:02:26] | waini: | any ideas how to solve my problem? |
[13:03:09] | ushills: | Thanks i will try the latest version. |
[13:03:30] | stuarta: | 2009-01–02 13:30:37.879 Slave backend: desktop no longer connected |
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[13:04:08] | stuarta: | is there a firewall somewhere in your setup? |
[13:04:44] | waini: | no fireall |
[13:04:49] | waini: | no firewall |
[13:05:57] | stuarta: | are both master and slave the same version? |
[13:06:15] | stuarta: | it looks like they aren't handshaking properly |
[13:06:25] | stuarta: | 2009-01–02 13:32:44.952 MythSocket(840e5a8:11): writeStringList: Error, invalid string list. |
[13:06:35] | waini: | both 0.21 |
[13:07:14] | laga: | i suppose the IP addresses are not set up correctly |
[13:08:02] | stuarta: | 2009-01–02 13:31:38.889 MediaServer:: Loopback address specified – 127.0.0.1. Disabling UPnP |
[13:08:24] | stuarta: | looks like you have an ip address somewhere set to the localhost address |
[13:08:26] | waini: | the master backend ist the latest version from debian-multimedia (stable) and the slave backend is the latest from Intrepid |
[13:09:01] | laga: | someone remind me why we don't just have a checkbox "make this a master backend" |
[13:09:13] | laga: | because the MBE IP is pulled from the DB anyways |
[13:09:55] | gbee: | might just be the lack of someone submitting a patch |
[13:10:08] | laga: | heh |
[13:10:16] | laga: | reminds me i need to do some "homework" ;) |
[13:10:27] | waini: | the slave backend has 127.0.0.1 as his ip |
[13:10:49] | stuarta: | well that isn't right |
[13:10:59] | waini: | why? |
[13:11:01] | stuarta: | you are telling it to talk to itself |
[13:11:11] | waini: | he puses its it to the master? |
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[13:11:38] | waini: | its master-backend-ip is set correctly |
[13:11:52] | waini: | only its local backend-ip is localhost |
[13:12:20] | gbee: | when the master tries to talk to the slave it can't, the slave announces itself as 127.0.0.1 but that |
[13:12:26] | gbee: | 's not it's network IP |
[13:12:26] | waini: | ok |
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[13:13:10] | stuarta: | laga: i'm sure we can make this whole process a lot simpler. |
[13:14:11] | ** stuarta hits osx-packager ** | |
[13:14:31] | gbee: | there is a lot about setup which could be improved, it tends to get overlooked since setup is a one time thing, most devs haven't had to set up mythtv for months/years |
[13:14:36] | waini: | it possible to use one video-souce with two tv-cards? |
[13:14:57] | gbee: | waini: yes, if both cards use the same source of course |
[13:15:53] | gbee: | e.g. two DVB-T cards OR two DVB-S (pointed at the same satellite) OR two ATSC etc |
[13:16:01] | waini: | but they can be used at the same time? |
[13:16:08] | gbee: | of course |
[13:16:12] | waini: | ok |
[13:16:24] | waini: | this is a cool thing |
[13:16:30] | gbee: | you can add an infinite number of cards to each source |
[13:16:44] | waini: | so i dont have to set up the the channels twice |
[13:16:44] | gbee: | and an infinite number of sources |
[13:16:48] | gbee: | correct |
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[13:19:27] | waini: | i have set the ip correctly – but still currently not connected |
[13:20:32] | waini: | i think "2009-01–02 14:18:12.561 MythSocket(91365b0:13): writeStringList: Error, invalid string list." is the problem |
[13:21:23] | waini: | and : 2009-01–02 14:19:41.202 MythSocket(ab10a4a8:51): readStringList: Error, timeout. |
[13:21:58] | waini: | is it possible that the protocoll of two 0.21 releases differ? |
[13:30:38] | stuarta: | only one way to find out |
[13:30:58] | stuarta: | pastebin the results of mythbackend --version from both machines |
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[13:34:28] | waini: | http://pastebin.ca/1298272 |
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[13:44:49] | gbee: | waini: wired or wireless? |
[13:52:31] | waini: | wired |
[13:52:35] | waini: | gigabit lan |
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[13:55:20] | Neeesat2: | Happy new year to all |
[13:56:36] | gbee: | waini: I don't know then, maybe there is some difference between the two versions which is causing problems |
[13:57:42] | Neeesat2: | Is anyone manage to show current time in mplayer OSD? |
[13:58:04] | gbee: | question for #mplayer ? |
[13:58:27] | gbee: | not really sure what it has to do with mythtv :) |
[13:58:38] | Neeesat2: | I am using mplayer in mythtv |
[13:59:18] | directhex: | i'm using my dell to watch porn. does dell support need to help me with porn site issues? |
[14:00:09] | gbee: | Neeesat2: use mythtv in mythtv, then you get the time in the OSD, but mplayer issues are nothing to do with us, it's not even a recommended setup to use a third party player |
[14:00:27] | gbee: | and if my response seems harsh, I don't mean it to be |
[14:00:43] | directhex: | i do |
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[14:17:11] | quantum__: | anybody know how I can test my pcHDTV 5500 card to see if I can record in HD. when I switch to the tuner on myth it just seems to time out, I did get the channel scanning working finally though, but I am not sure everything is right yet |
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[14:18:10] | quantum__: | i.e. I was wondering if there is simple way to capture the video from it such as you can from from other cards such as dumping /dev/video to a file and playing it with mplayer |
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[14:21:05] | Neeesat2: | I am using mplayer because I get not flagged error when trying to use skeep with most of my videos. I do not have such a problem with mplayer. |
[14:21:40] | quantum__: | anybody know how I can test my pcHDTV 5500 card to see if I can record in HD. when I switch to the tuner on myth it just seems to time out, I did get the channel scanning working finally though, but I am not sure everything is right yet.i.e. I was wondering if there is simple way to capture the video from it such as you can from from other cards such as dumping /dev/video to a file and playing it with mplayer |
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[14:23:40] | dustybin: | Can too much MythTV make you end up looking like this: http://www.linux-user.de/ausgabe/2000/12/051-sound/cox_kopf.png |
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[14:28:06] | gbee: | err, no |
[14:28:25] | gbee: | Debian Embedded maybe |
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[14:45:49] | pheld: | quantum__: timeouts when starting to record HD are sometimes related to the h.264 parser taking too long to discover an IDR-frame. You could try http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19094 if you're running trunk |
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[14:49:19] | pheld: | I tried to up the frontend's timeout while wainting for a stream from 16sec to 10min and found that it sometimes takes as much as 7–8min for the back-end to recognise the stream and start recording. |
[14:51:21] | quantum__: | I am not convinced video capture is really working though, I think something still is wrong with the v4l drivers since I had to manually set the tuner type to something which I am not even sure is correct, but the autdected definately seemed wrong |
[14:51:48] | gbee: | autodetected? |
[14:51:59] | quantum__: | yeah modprobed |
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[14:52:28] | quantum__: | has something like tuner type=47 |
[14:52:36] | gbee: | ok, just checking that you weren't expecting mythtv to autodetect the tuner type in setup :) |
[14:52:39] | quantum__: | but that isn't really the right kind apparently |
[14:53:23] | quantum__: | is there a way to dump the hd video to a file like I can from the mpg card |
[14:53:38] | quantum__: | cat /dev/video0 > mytv.mpg |
[14:54:18] | pheld: | you have to tune first. then grab the stream from /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 |
[14:54:43] | quantum__: | how do I does those steps..what programs |
[14:55:04] | quantum__: | what format does the video from dvr0 come in as |
[14:55:14] | pheld: | that |
[14:55:35] | pheld: | ..'s the raw stream so it depends on the transmission |
[14:55:48] | stuarta: | TS |
[14:55:49] | quantum__: | so it could be mpg |
[14:56:04] | stuarta: | it's TS = Transmission Stream |
[14:56:06] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: In the US, it's MPEG2. |
[14:56:18] | pheld: | usually mpeg2 for sd and h.264 for hd |
[14:56:34] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | pheld: Us is MPEG2 for both... |
[14:56:38] | quantum__: | so I could just do cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 > video.mpg and mplayer video.mpg |
[14:56:44] | stuarta: | but yes it's an mpeg container |
[14:57:02] | pheld: | (me stuck i EU with DVB-S2;) |
[14:57:11] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: Assuming you're tuned to a channel, yes. |
[14:57:19] | quantum__: | is there a shell command to tune to the channel? |
[14:57:34] | gbee: | in the developed world HD means h.264 ;) |
[14:57:42] | quantum__: | seemes like since the channel scan works there must be video somewhere |
[14:58:06] | quantum__: | of course maybe that is just internal to the card |
[14:58:26] | quantum__: | how can I tune a channel outside of myth |
[14:59:35] | pheld: | quantum__: firs use "scan" (here scan-s2) to find channels, then "zap" (here szap-s2) to tune to a particular channel |
[15:00:02] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: It might be easiest to use Kaffeine to do this, ie: start it up, do a channel scan with it, then watch tv with it. Any utility outside of MythTV will need a channels.conf... ^^ or manual tools as pheld notes... |
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[15:00:36] | pheld: | the actual tool varies depending on DVB-standard. Although it seems to converge into common tools with the new S2API |
[15:00:46] | Spyro: | hih |
[15:00:56] | quantum__: | J-e-f-f-A: I did the channel scan in kaffiene, but am not sure how to get it to watch a channel |
[15:01:07] | Spyro: | I have two problems with my mythtv setup |
[15:01:31] | quantum__: | I am running fc10. I have a scandvb, but no plain scan or scan-s2 |
[15:01:34] | Spyro: | one is a purple line (overlay backround?) at the bottom of the picture |
[15:01:50] | Spyro: | the other is the EPG is *excruciatingly* slow |
[15:02:25] | quantum__: | J-e-f-f-A: is there another menu option or something, where do you go from the scan screen to watch the tv channel you specify |
[15:04:31] | gbee: | Spyro: http://pastebin.ca "mythtfrontend --version" |
[15:04:31] | pheld: | quantum__: i don't have FC, but DVB cmdline-tools are usually in a package called dvb-apps. See http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Testing_your_DVB_device |
[15:04:51] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: I don't remember off the top of my head, it's been quite a while since I did it. I don't remember having to jump through any hoops though... Google might help. |
[15:05:46] | Spyro: | http://pastebin.ca/1298324 |
[15:06:25] | gbee: | Spyro: your first problem sounds like a display driver issue, the second could be a bug we fixed weeks ago |
[15:06:38] | Spyro: | gbee: vdr doesnt have that issue |
[15:06:38] | gbee: | Spyro: which distro and did you install from source? |
[15:06:46] | Spyro: | debian |
[15:06:49] | Spyro: | and from packages |
[15:07:00] | gbee: | right, f'ing debian packagers |
[15:07:39] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: Yeah, i was gonna say, "What version is 'exporté'???" |
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[15:08:27] | gbee: | Spyro: doesn't change anything, a purple line appearing in video has nothing to do with mythtv – I've never even heard of that problem before but since we are just rendering the video using XV it's going to be an X or driver problem |
[15:09:03] | gbee: | but someone bring me the head of the Debian packager, he's screwed up the version output |
[15:09:24] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work is ROTFL! ** | |
[15:09:24] | gbee: | Spyro: as far as the second problem, you need a newer version of 0.21 |
[15:09:55] | gbee: | unfortunately I can't tell you just how old your version is because the information is missing from --version |
[15:10:28] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Maybe it'll display from mythbackend --version? [doubtful, but worth a try?] |
[15:10:37] | Spyro: | gbee: whats causing the slow epg? |
[15:10:49] | gbee: | Spyro: gnome screensaver |
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[15:11:50] | Spyro: | gbee: thats surprising... I dont have gnome installed |
[15:12:00] | Spyro: | and gnome-screensaver isnt running |
[15:12:23] | stuarta: | it's installed by default |
[15:12:46] | gbee: | no? well it might not be the same issue then, all the same if you can upgrade myth then do so since it will rule out a heap of bugs that have already been fixed |
[15:13:18] | Spyro: | stuarta: not if you dont install gnome :) |
[15:13:25] | gbee: | Spyro: is gnome-screensaver-command installed? |
[15:13:31] | gbee: | i.e. in path? |
[15:13:41] | stuarta: | a default debian install, installs it |
[15:13:43] | Spyro: | nope |
[15:13:54] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Wasn't there one about the EPG being slow if channel icons weren't present? |
[15:13:59] | Spyro: | stuarta: this is not a desktop install |
[15:14:14] | gbee: | J-e-f-f-A|work: seem to remember something like that |
[15:14:16] | Spyro: | stuarta: I unstalled console only and added X |
[15:14:28] | Spyro: | *installed |
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[15:15:53] | Spyro: | gbee: gnome-screensaver-command is not installed |
[15:16:09] | gbee: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6034 |
[15:17:24] | Spyro: | I'll turn off icons and see if it helps (IIRC it was just as slow before though) |
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[15:18:13] | pheld: | Is there a way in myth to listen to satellite-radio while browsing news or gallery? |
[15:19:15] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: Humm... that's in trunk – wonder if it is present in 0.21 also... |
[15:19:28] | Spyro: | gbee: just as slow without channel icons at all |
[15:20:28] | Spyro: | I actually dont like the epg at all – is there any way to get rid of the description and preview picture so that I can have more bars of epg ? |
[15:21:37] | jamiem: | ohno @ one buffer full/empty :( |
[15:22:46] | Spyro: | I cant imagine this purple line (last line on the screen) is a display driver bug – mythtv is the only Xv app that seems to suffer from it – mplayer and vdr xine dont. |
[15:22:55] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Spyro: I don't think so. The video is always going to show when you're in the guide on livetv. You can set the number of columns and rows in the setup though, probably only helpful if running on a monitor and not a PC. |
[15:23:23] | Spyro: | J-e-f-f-A|work: thats sad :( |
[15:23:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | (er, make that not on a TV) |
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[15:23:51] | Spyro: | J-e-f-f-A|work: I guessed :) |
[15:24:41] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Spyro: Well, it looks almost exactly like my old DishPlayer 7200's EPG... |
[15:24:51] | Spyro: | J-e-f-f-A|work: TBH it mmakes no difference if its a monitor or a TV – I have to be able to read the text at about 2 metres distance so it cant be made smaller no ,matter what the display is |
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[15:25:33] | Spyro: | J-e-f-f-A|work: Im spoiled – I used to use a pace twinview – flakey as hell but the best EPG I ever used. |
[15:26:50] | gbee: | the video in guide can be disabled, or at least it used to be an option |
[15:27:16] | gbee: | and you can edit the theme to remove both |
[15:27:19] | gbee: | and change the layout |
[15:27:24] | gbee: | and style |
[15:27:33] | Spyro: | gbee: wheres the theme kept? |
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[15:28:31] | gbee: | /usr/{local/}share/mythtv/themes/{name of theme}/ui.xml |
[15:29:28] | iamlindoro__: | gbee: Referencing 7–8 hours ago, if you didn't see my OSD mockup then I have a pretty screenshot for you :) |
[15:30:08] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-osd2.png |
[15:31:21] | jduggan: | sexy |
[15:31:40] | gbee: | Spyro: I don't remember anyone ever reporting a purple line, there are no open bugs that I'm aware of (and I read all bug reports) and no-one has mentioned it in here while I've been around |
[15:32:19] | gbee: | iamlindoro__: :D |
[15:32:21] | stuarta: | purple lines generally come from video driver bugs |
[15:33:18] | iamlindoro__: | gbee: Of course this would require that the MythUI'd OSD have awareness of the videoprops and audioprops, and that the widgets be independent of container name/type |
[15:33:44] | iamlindoro__: | gbee: ie I would need to be able to put the "volume" widget it whichever container I liked |
[15:34:15] | Spyro: | gbee: thanks |
[15:34:23] | gbee: | oh yeah, even if the initial version doesn't add all those things it would be on my roadmap to make them available |
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[15:34:45] | iamlindoro__: | Wait'll you see the recording animation, it kinda looks like a little tumble dryer :) |
[15:35:20] | iamlindoro__: | the gradient fill of the recording icon on the right rotateds clockwise and the gradient fill of the stroke rotates counterclockwise |
[15:35:24] | iamlindoro__: | er rotates |
[15:37:17] | iamlindoro__: | gbee: am I totally insane, or is the default progress bar definition hard coded to something like 536 pixels wide? |
[15:37:39] | iamlindoro__: | I couldn't figure that out for the life of me last night |
[15:38:10] | iamlindoro__: | it's defined as something like <area>0,0,10,10</area> in the default base.xml |
[15:40:17] | Neeesat2: | I have problem with internal player. It can not play spdif audio with passthrough |
[15:41:02] | iamlindoro__: | it most certainly can |
[15:41:15] | Neeesat2: | LiveTV and mplayer works ok |
[15:41:40] | quantum__: | I am seeing output like this from the can. does this look right? seems like some stuff might be missing: KARE-HD:599028615:8VSB:49:52:3 |
[15:41:40] | quantum__: | KARE-WX:599028615:8VSB:65:68:4 |
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[15:43:54] | gbee: | iamlindoro__: it's not hardcoded, but it's size is based on the image used |
[15:44:29] | iamlindoro__: | gbee: Hmm, okay. Thanks |
[15:44:44] | iamlindoro__: | Guess I should just own up and admit I'm actually writing a theme instead of playing |
[15:44:47] | gbee: | since the base uses an image which is ~536px wide, anything using the base will 536px wide |
[15:45:12] | gbee: | create your own base.xml definition with your own image and voila |
[15:45:48] | quantum__: | I am getting stuff like this from the channel scan on the shell: does this look right? WUCW-HD:521028615:8VSB:49:52:3 |
[15:45:49] | quantum__: | WUCW-SD:521028615:8VSB:65:68:4 |
[15:46:10] | ** stuarta gets the furball remover ** | |
[15:46:44] | iamlindoro__: | quantum__: It's fine, please don't repeat yourself with such frequency |
[15:49:03] | quantum__: | I am seeing stuff like this from the command line scan output, does this look right. Seems like some information may be missing. |
[15:49:03] | quantum__: | WUCW-HD:521028615:8VSB:49:52:3 |
[15:49:03] | quantum__: | WUCW-SD:521028615:8VSB:65:68:4 |
[15:49:03] | quantum__: | s |
[15:49:03] | quantum__: | WUCW-HD:521028615:8VSB:49:52:3 |
[15:49:04] | quantum__: | WUCW-SD:521028615:8VSB:65:68:4 |
[15:49:06] | quantum__: | oops sorry |
[15:49:22] | quantum__: | wasn't showing up for some reason on my irc window |
[15:49:24] | ** iamlindoro__ cracks his knuckles, narows eyes ** | |
[15:50:10] | iamlindoro__: | narrows |
[15:50:25] | quantum__: | I was looking online and they had stuff like: Digital:219500000:INVERSION_AUTO:BANDWIDTH_7_MHZ:FEC_3_4:FEC_1_2:QAM_64:TRANSMIS SION_MODE_8K:GUARD_INTERVAL_1_16:HIERARCHY_NONE:512:650:1617 |
[15:50:37] | Spyro: | gbee: if I edit a theme, do i need to restart myth for thhe changes to take effect? |
[15:50:49] | iamlindoro__: | That is not relevant to cable |
[15:51:25] | iamlindoro__: | Spyro: Depends on which part of it you edit |
[15:51:44] | Spyro: | iamlindoro__: ui.xml |
[15:51:51] | iamlindoro__: | then yes |
[15:52:03] | Spyro: | all of myth or just the tv bit? |
[15:52:23] | iamlindoro__: | Hrm? The frontend. |
[15:52:38] | Spyro: | ok |
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[15:57:24] | gbee: | iamlindoro__: there are two progress bar styles right now, the slide and the reveal, in the former an image slides into view, in the latter the image is revealed |
[15:58:16] | gbee: | based on your mockup, I'd say you want the slide with a mask (rounded forground image at both ends) |
[15:58:38] | iamlindoro__: | gbee: I saw the reveal type and wondered what the other might be, interesting (although I accomplished it with the reveal okay) |
[15:58:50] | Spyro: | gbee: I tried commenting out sections in ui.xml and nothings changed... |
[15:59:44] | iamlindoro__: | More than likely due to not making the right changes in themes, what is it you are trying to do and what did you comment out? |
[16:00:39] | gbee: | iamlindoro__: third type, which is unimplemented yet would be the animation where each step of the animation is displayed as it progresses – so an animation with 10 frames, the second frame would be displayed at 10%, third at 20% etc |
[16:00:48] | Spyro: | the title and decription textareas in the 'program_info' container |
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[16:01:14] | gbee: | which <window> ? |
[16:01:18] | iamlindoro__: | of.... which? |
[16:02:12] | Spyro: | programguide |
[16:02:31] | iamlindoro__: | gbee: That would be cool-- Had meant to look a little bit at the progress bar, from its behavior here it seems like if there was a way to crank up the number of times it refreshes per time interval it would look a lot nicer |
[16:02:55] | iamlindoro__: | gbee: as I only ever seem to see two or three intervals on it |
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[16:03:48] | gbee: | iamlindoro__: that would involve moving the task, whatever it might be, to a seperate thread, it's not directly related to mythui but it's a more general problem which existed with the old UI too |
[16:04:24] | iamlindoro__: | hmmm, above my paygrade, then |
[16:04:29] | Spyro: | iamlindoro__: window is programguide |
[16:04:37] | gbee: | if you mean the startup progress bar, that really needs to be a busy dialog instead since GreyFoxx removed the old imaging scaling code which would have updated that progress dialog |
[16:04:58] | iamlindoro__: | yep that's the one I mean |
[16:05:17] | gbee: | programguide-video |
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[16:06:46] | gbee: | iamlindoro__: yeah, the startup one doesn't get updated as frequently since it's not actually doing anything which can be quantified, I've been meaning to replace it with the busy dialog instead |
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[16:07:52] | iamlindoro__: | makes sense to me, but I defintely am not as eager about that as I am about the PBB :) |
[16:08:43] | gbee: | well I'm getting closer, whether I'm happy with it or not, I'll commit tomorrow |
[16:09:36] | iamlindoro__: | \o/ |
[16:09:36] | gbee: | I can make an updated patch available against trunk if you are wanting to get started |
[16:09:57] | gbee: | ok, give me a second |
[16:10:16] | iamlindoro__: | Up to you, I can definitely wait as necessary, it's only a day |
[16:10:33] | iamlindoro__: | Eager, but not eager enough to make you do extra work :) |
[16:11:02] | gbee: | still missing popups, but you should be able to get started on the main screen |
[16:11:49] | Guest96185: | o.k making some progress. If I do azap 'something' it keeps repeating something like: status 1f | signal f642 | snr 21ab | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
[16:12:07] | Guest96185: | can I ctrl-c and try to dump the output from the dev to a file |
[16:12:35] | iamlindoro__: | What good would the output of signal monitoring do you? |
[16:12:49] | iamlindoro__: | That's no channel scanning |
[16:13:00] | iamlindoro__: | not |
[16:13:44] | Guest96185: | I am trying to tune to a channel and capture the mpg stream from the /dev so that I can see if it is video or snow or what |
[16:14:01] | gbee: | iamlindoro__: http://miffteevee.co.uk/filebin/mythui_playbackbox.diff |
[16:14:08] | iamlindoro__: | gbee: Thanks |
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[16:17:08] | gbee: | iamlindoro__: for a list of what can be displayed for each program ProgramInfo::ToMap() should be enlightening |
[16:17:54] | Guest96185: | I did azap 'mychannel' to tune, is that correct, and but dvr0 does not contain anything |
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[16:20:00] | gbee: | currently that list applies to the 'out of list' details, 'in list' it's limited to title/subtitle/date/size, the things you can see in the demo theme, but I'll improve it later on |
[16:20:14] | iamlindoro__: | gbee: ooh, that is neat |
[16:20:19] | iamlindoro__: | lots of good stuff in there |
[16:20:31] | GlemSom: | I'm wondering if it's possible to turn on lights using a RS323 connection and a relay? I guess I need to be able to control a specific PIN – if it should be high or low... Anyone know of any similar projects? |
[16:21:51] | iamlindoro__: | linuxmce, plutohome? |
[16:24:15] | gbee: | iamlindoro__: I've not added in your icon changes yet and I'll probably rethink how that works in the patch |
[16:24:41] | iamlindoro__: | gbee: hmm... okay, rethink how? |
[16:25:00] | Guest96185: | I am still not able to dump the video from dvr0 does anybody know what could be wrong? it never contains any data |
[16:25:08] | gbee: | not your stuff, but how I've implemented the icons in mythui |
[16:25:16] | iamlindoro__: | ah, ok, I see |
[16:25:44] | Guest96185: | I should just be able to dump /dvr0 when it is tuned right? |
[16:26:32] | iamlindoro__: | Guest96185: If you are struggling with basic tuner operability issues, that discussion really belongs in #linuxtv |
[16:27:50] | Guest96185: | ok |
[16:28:57] | gbee: | I really don't like how it works in current trunk – laying out and defining all those icons is a pain, I'd hoped to simplify it somehow with the mythui version, but I can't think how :/ |
[16:29:33] | gbee: | the one change I did make isn't compatible with what you want to do, so I'll have to throw out that idea |
[16:29:41] | iamlindoro: | :( |
[16:29:56] | iamlindoro: | My idea can adapt maybe |
[16:30:21] | gbee: | nah and I wouldn't worry about it, it's my problem not yours |
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[16:35:52] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Is there a simple setting in inkscape to set the x,y coordinates to be in our style? |
[16:36:01] | iamlindoro: | origin, that is |
[16:36:18] | gbee: | I wish, it would make life so much easier |
[16:36:31] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
[16:36:31] | gbee: | you can get the x coordinate, but the y is from the wrong axis |
[16:36:37] | iamlindoro: | exactly |
[16:38:29] | iamlindoro: | hmm, so the preview still has to be in the recordings container? |
[16:38:54] | gbee: | huh? there is no container? |
[16:39:01] | iamlindoro: | er buttonlist |
[16:39:37] | iamlindoro: | It wouldn't necessarily be that bad, could just use negative coordinates to put it where I want |
[16:39:45] | gbee: | no, it can be outside the buttonlist – imagetype named "preview" |
[16:39:53] | iamlindoro: | hmm, okay |
[16:40:01] | iamlindoro: | thanks |
[16:40:10] | gbee: | can have both at the same time |
[16:40:15] | iamlindoro: | Guess we're about to find out if it can be masked :) |
[16:40:32] | gbee: | it can, that's where I first tested the mask code |
[16:41:01] | gbee: | but whether we can mask the video, that's an entirely different question to which I don't have any of the answers |
[16:41:24] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, meaning video |
[16:41:58] | gbee: | video isn't available in the mythui version, all the code was removed |
[16:42:14] | gbee: | won't return until the video widget is written |
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[16:42:27] | iamlindoro: | okay |
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[16:43:04] | mnemonic76: | Anyone here have a mvpmv Hauppauge MediaMVP working with MythTV? |
[16:43:19] | mnemonic76: | mvpmc that is. |
[16:43:42] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: as far as rs233 control of a relay... I use X-10 currently. For other options, a google search will help: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=linux+rs232+relay+control |
[16:44:02] | mnemonic76: | I am troubleshooting the performance of the thing... switching channels is SLOOOOW. |
[16:44:33] | mnemonic76: | it is like 5 seconds at least. The thing says "Please Wait" |
[16:44:43] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | mnemonic76: What do you consider to be slow? I use Dish receivers with IR blasters, and a channel change takes about 5 seconds typically. |
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[16:45:43] | mnemonic76: | JeffA: wow... so much for channel surfing... |
[16:45:43] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | mnemonic76: Remember, you're not just tuning a channel to display on the screen live, it's being changed on the backend, buffered a second or two, then sent to your frontend for decoding/display. |
[16:45:56] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | mnemonic76: That's what the Program Guide is for... |
[16:45:58] | mnemonic76: | Yeah, I know... |
[16:46:23] | mnemonic76: | Yeah, I don't imagine the wife will accept the technical explanation ;) |
[16:46:29] | mnemonic76: | Oh well. |
[16:46:51] | mnemonic76: | I guess a dedicated PVR machine is in order if I want the speed. |
[16:47:24] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | mnemonic76: Analog channel changing was near-instant... Digital introduces anywhere from 1/2 second to 3–4 seconds. |
[16:47:27] | GreyFoxx: | the delay varies a LOT for people |
[16:47:40] | GreyFoxx: | my pvr cards on aremote backend change in about 1 second |
[16:47:48] | GreyFoxx: | my firwire settop box is about 3 |
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[16:48:07] | GreyFoxx: | some people with the same setup take like 10 |
[16:48:10] | octavsly: | Kaffeine seems to change it faster |
[16:48:14] | Spyro: | ok I increased the sizwe of the program guide but it hasnt added more bars (despite the config being for 8 bars, it draws 6) |
[16:48:15] | gbee: | break free from the prison of channel surfing, watch what you want to watch at the time you want, ban live tv! |
[16:48:16] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Yeah, it all depends on how quickly it can lock on to the new signal. |
[16:48:40] | GreyFoxx: | Kaffeinesn't queuing/transfering to anther process and so on |
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[16:48:47] | GreyFoxx: | They can't be compared |
[16:48:59] | octavsly: | Most of the time I watch recorded show. But from time to time you need some zappinf |
[16:49:04] | octavsly: | I know they cannot be compared |
[16:49:07] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | yeah, mnemonic76 Show her how to schedule recordings, then she can watch commercial free... and doesn't have to be in front of the tv at exactly 10:00am to catch her favorite Soap... |
[16:49:11] | gbee: | no, no you really don't |
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[16:49:48] | octavsly: | Program Guide is sometime not enough for "getting the picture of a show" |
[16:49:56] | octavsly: | you need to feel it a bit ;-) |
[16:50:30] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | octavsly: Ok, so while browsing the guide, you say "humm, what is that?", then click 'select', and you're on that channel... |
[16:50:38] | gbee: | I've not watched LiveTV in 3 years, yet I still watch more tv than is good for me, probably more than I ever used to watch |
[16:50:46] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: same |
[16:50:47] | mnemonic76: | Yeah... really all I am trying to get her is a program guide anyway... maybe I can show her how to switch inputs on the tv to look at the MVP input and check the guiide... |
[16:50:48] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | octavsly: instead of blindly clicking the 'channel up' button... |
[16:51:03] | GreyFoxx: | Only thing I'vewatched like in years was soem of the US Election results |
[16:51:09] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work only uses LiveTV occasionally to check the weather or test new tuners... ** | |
[16:51:11] | octavsly: | SAME |
[16:51:12] | gbee: | if I'm curious about a program I schedule it to record, if it's no good I delete the schedule |
[16:51:15] | GreyFoxx: | And Obamas speech |
[16:51:27] | GreyFoxx: | other than that 1 time I haven't actyually watched livetv in years |
[16:51:36] | gbee: | but I'm not required to be sitting in front of the TV at the time that the schedulers decide |
[16:52:04] | octavsly: | What is there is no guide? |
[16:52:11] | octavsly: | I have this soemtime. |
[16:52:52] | octavsly: | Anyway it is a nice technical challange to have it switching within 1 second. :-) |
[16:52:54] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | octavsly: is 'mythfilldatabase' running on a normal basis? Or is there an issue with your grabber? |
[16:53:05] | octavsly: | I use EPG |
[16:53:07] | octavsly: | only |
[16:53:27] | octavsly: | most opf the grabbers failed on my and I did not have time to see where the problem is |
[16:53:37] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | octavsly: You mean EIT? And even my sat receiver can't change channels faster than 1–2 seconds. |
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[16:53:46] | octavsly: | over the air |
[16:54:12] | octavsly: | my cheap one can chage within 1sec I think |
[16:54:17] | octavsly: | anyway 1–2 sec is acceptavble |
[16:54:34] | Spyro: | my megasky 580 DVB usb stick managed 1 sec tuning |
[16:54:41] | gbee: | octavsly: if you enjoy the challenge and have the skill, then no-one will stop you from trying to speed up channel changes |
[16:55:00] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | octavsly: Yes, but you've got to realize, Myth is taking that and dumping it to a buffer on disk. Then it's playing back from the buffer. That introduces some latency. (about 2 secs) |
[16:55:08] | gbee: | but it's not a high priority for the devs, most of whom don't even use livetv |
[16:55:16] | octavsly: | Yes, I enjoy challanges and I might cultivate the skills but I am plagued by no spare time disease |
[16:55:29] | octavsly: | I know this, i have watched other discussions in the past |
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[16:56:06] | gbee: | safe to say in fact that some of the devs would vote to remove livetv from mythtv to save themselves from the constant complaints over speed and reliability |
[16:56:23] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: hehe... ;-) |
[16:56:50] | stuarta: | how would we test stuff then? |
[16:57:06] | stuarta: | mythfrontend --enable-test-mode |
[16:57:08] | octavsly: | now since we are talking about mythTV features. How do you find the channel scanning. I personally think it is very cumbersome for unexperience people. And the fact that it cannot be started from frontend is a bit strange. |
[16:57:14] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | stuarta: That's probably the only reason it's really still there... ;-) |
[16:57:27] | stuarta: | octavsly: channel scanning needs some love |
[16:57:34] | GreyFoxx: | a big probem is that those devs who care to look at change speeds usually aren't suffering from the crazy long change times. And the users that do suffer all say the same thing. "I can't code" or "I don't have time" |
[16:57:40] | gbee: | octavsly: it's being re-written for 0.22 |
[16:57:41] | GreyFoxx: | So it never changes :) |
[16:57:56] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | octavsly: it's in mythtv-setup |
[16:57:59] | stuarta: | i need to beat that branch with a big stick |
[16:58:07] | stuarta: | dvb is currently a mess in it |
[16:58:15] | gbee: | octavsly: scanning needs physical access to the cards |
[16:58:17] | octavsly: | I know that but I am talking from a "no-brain" user point of view |
[16:58:22] | octavsly: | I know |
[16:58:24] | gbee: | which a frontend may not have |
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[16:58:37] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ... and 5 secs channel change time is acceptable for me, as my sat box takes 2 seconds for the IR change, then another 1 to lock on, then myth 2 to buffer it... |
[16:58:42] | octavsly: | but that can be arranged via the mythtv protocol between backend and frontend... theotretically |
[16:59:16] | gbee: | I don't find it at all strange that it's done through the backend, since that's the bit which does the scanning etc |
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[16:59:29] | octavsly: | IMHO I think MythTV ios a GREAT program but unfortuantely is extremelly dificult for new users. |
[16:59:30] | gbee: | err recording |
[16:59:50] | GreyFoxx: | Why is that unfortunate ?:) |
[17:00:15] | octavsly: | I was tempted many times to give it all up, but that's not my style so I sticked with it. |
[17:00:16] | octavsly: | :D |
[17:00:19] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | octavsly: I think that has alot to do with users expecting a 'click an install and evertything is magically done' approach... |
[17:00:28] | octavsly: | Beacuse it is so great that more people should use it. |
[17:00:39] | GreyFoxx: | Why ?:) |
[17:00:47] | octavsly: | why not? |
[17:01:02] | gbee: | octavsly: and we'd agree, we're constantly trying to improve it, but there aren't enough people to make the kind of progress that everyone seems to expect |
[17:01:09] | GreyFoxx: | Sorry, you made the assertion that is was good that more use it, no me :) |
[17:01:13] | octavsly: | I fully agree |
[17:01:26] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Heheeee, this is fun. Glad I got the patch now, outside of the stuff you know I want to do with the icons, the sky is definitely the limit :) :) |
[17:01:57] | Spyro: | gbee: is it possible to not display thee channel number in the program guide? |
[17:02:09] | GreyFoxx: | octavsly: Basically what I'm getting at is, that yes it's cool that more want to use it and it's a sense of pride that people enjoy it, but there is no machine trying to "gain new users". |
[17:02:22] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Spyro: Umm... Why???? |
[17:02:25] | gbee: | iamlindoro: glad you are happy :) |
[17:02:32] | GreyFoxx: | I am in no way saying it's perfect nor that it couldn't be easier in a lot of ways to configure |
[17:02:56] | Spyro: | J-e-f-f-A: because it makes the bars twice as tall as they need to be so i can only get half as many on screen |
[17:03:00] | iamlindoro: | definitely |
[17:03:07] | GreyFoxx: | just don't understand why people assume there is a desire for every joe six pack to be able to use it with his six buton remote cause 7 would be too many buttons to remember |
[17:03:22] | octavsly: | GreyFoxx: That would also not be my goal, to get new users |
[17:03:26] | stuarta: | i'm envious of those with more than 6 buttons! |
[17:03:32] | GreyFoxx: | stuarta: heh |
[17:03:50] | stuarta: | good old apple remote, works okay |
[17:04:06] | GreyFoxx: | Now if there was a paycheque that increased with the number of users (and that causes increased help requests) then it would be anotherthing hehe |
[17:04:08] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Spyro: Maybe just make the font smaller for the channel number/name? and remove any line break between them? |
[17:04:15] | octavsly: | GreyFoxx: what do you know about ... let's say biology |
[17:04:56] | octavsly: | wouldn't be great that somebody sumarize all the stuiff for you and gives you a coherent |
[17:04:56] | octavsly: | picture of a subject that you ask? |
[17:04:56] | GreyFoxx: | pretty much nil |
[17:04:56] | GreyFoxx: | other than the obvious stuff :) |
[17:04:56] | GreyFoxx: | and what I see on Nova ;) |
[17:05:11] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work wonders where octavsly is going to take this... ** | |
[17:05:19] | GreyFoxx: | well yes and no |
[17:05:23] | GreyFoxx: | depends on what I wan to know |
[17:05:36] | Spyro: | J-e-f-f-A|work: wheres the option for changing the font – or is it in a config file only? |
[17:05:41] | GreyFoxx: | and if the answer to my question requires deeper understanding of the material then no they are not helping me |
[17:05:43] | octavsly: | it is the same with mythtv. It is so cumbersome that some people are just loosing their patience. I have heard many times people saying that MythTV is cumbersome |
[17:05:50] | gbee: | stuarta: 'okay' but I seem to remember you cursing the fact that it took twice as long to do anything because of the dualmode buttons :) |
[17:06:05] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Spyro: I'm not sure as I haven't messed with themes yet... just a thought on my part though... |
[17:06:09] | octavsly: | I myself was in the same situation. |
[17:06:21] | stuarta: | yes, changing filters and getting to any of the menu items is a pita |
[17:06:23] | GreyFoxx: | octavsly: But it's be great for someone to come shovel my driveway to make it easier for me to drive my car to ork |
[17:06:34] | GreyFoxx: | but I don't expect someone to ome do the heavy lifting for me :) |
[17:06:35] | Spyro: | octavsly: once I get myth useable as a DTV system Im writing my own instead. |
[17:06:48] | octavsly: | yes but somebody made the car and gave you 3 pedals + stearing weeal |
[17:06:49] | Spyro: | its far too clunky I find |
[17:06:51] | octavsly: | that's it |
[17:06:56] | octavsly: | that's the beaty of it |
[17:07:28] | gbee: | octavsly: and we're just saying "then submit patches/code", talk is cheap and every minute we spend listening to someone telling us how they think it should be done, is a minute we can no longer spend actually writing the code |
[17:07:29] | GreyFoxx: | octavsly: You are totally missin my point while thinking I don't get yours. I understand what you are saying, but that's not anything to do with what I said |
[17:07:59] | quantum__: | o.k. so I check that I can capture video directly from the device after tunning the channel. Now I am back to trying to get mythtv to work. When I go to watch Tv I get the following: http://pastebin.ca/1298390. It just goes to a black screen for a little while then returns |
[17:08:04] | octavsly: | gbee: I cannot agree more |
[17:08:12] | GreyFoxx: | People assume that mythtv devs WANT every user to use it, and WANT total worlddominiation |
[17:08:15] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Spyro: maybe LinuxMCE is for you then... |
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[17:08:27] | GreyFoxx: | Just like many uses assume all linux uses WANT to be on every desktop |
[17:08:30] | Spyro: | J-e-f-f-A|work: not heard of that one... *googles* |
[17:08:34] | GreyFoxx: | It's a false assumption |
[17:09:25] | Spyro: | J-e-f-f-A|work: oh, its a whole distro... |
[17:09:27] | GreyFoxx: | oh joy, my little one wants to play "Candy Land" .... this should be a fun flash back to being 5 :) |
[17:09:30] | gbee: | mythtv is a huge project but with a tiny number of active developers, we waste a lot of time trying to be nice to people who think their opinion matters, but really the only people entitled to voice their opinions are those willing to put in the time to make a contribution of code/theme/documentation etc |
[17:09:30] | quantum__: | I am wondering if mythtv is tuning the channel wrong somehow. does it use azap to tune the channel or something else |
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[17:10:02] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Spyro: I personally think that MythTV is awesome, and the only thing it's lacking is UI 'Dazzle', which is being addressed in the next version. |
[17:10:07] | gbee: | and again, I'm not having a go at anyone personally here, just trying to make a point |
[17:10:09] | octavsly: | GreyFoxx: that's not my assumption either. |
[17:10:23] | quantum__: | or if it is an issue with autodect not putting the frequencyies in the right format |
[17:10:57] | quantum__: | anybody know how to figure out what is going wrong? |
[17:11:02] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: It uses it's own code built into the backend. |
[17:11:10] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: Does it work outside of myth? |
[17:11:31] | wylie: | iamlindoro: what was that link you posted the other day — it looked like a more visually edgy view recordings page |
[17:11:31] | quantum__: | well I just piped the stream directoy to mplayer and that seemed to work |
[17:11:33] | Spyro: | J-e-f-f-A|work: I've been underwhelmed by all the pvr projects ive tried so far. myth is slow (even in the 'light cpu' modes) and VDR is horriblly underfeatured and all its plugins are uncompileable |
[17:11:48] | octavsly: | gbee: I understand all of these things, but I have the feeling that developers because they know the tool inside out find their ways out. The rest of the users not, and especially new users. And new users should be encouraged to use it not the other way. |
[17:12:01] | iamlindoro: | wylie, http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB-fanart4.png |
[17:12:12] | iamlindoro: | wylie, implementing it as we speak, in fact, good timing |
[17:12:19] | wylie: | i'd love to help test |
[17:12:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Spyro: Myth isn't slow if you've got a recent system. It totally flies on my Athlon 64 X2 4800, Core2Duo 2200, and 2 other frontends I have setup... |
[17:12:46] | iamlindoro: | wylie, Once I get it to a point where it's sorta-kinda usable I'll put it somewhere, but that's probably a while away |
[17:13:00] | quantum__: | J-e-f-f-A: so in that sense it does |
[17:13:01] | iamlindoro: | wylie, Not because you're not welcome to it, but because it's really only 5–6 screens of the whole UI so far :) |
[17:13:04] | wylie: | no problem — let me know if i ca nbe of help — great progress |
[17:13:07] | Spyro: | J-e-f-f-A|work: sorry, but VDR is _fast_ on my hardware. Myth runs like a dog on it. |
[17:13:12] | iamlindoro: | wylie, I'll let you know, thanks |
[17:13:25] | gbee: | octavsly: that's not the case at all, some of us are well aware of the problems new users face (they remind us daily) but devs are users too and we're much more likely to work on things that improve our daily experience |
[17:13:48] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: Then you've got it configured in myth wrong. It should be a 'DVB Capture card' on "/dev/dvb/adapter0" |
[17:13:58] | octavsly: | gbee: OK fare point. |
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[17:15:29] | gbee: | we're not ignoring new users, in fact I'm actively working on UI improvements to help simplify things for new users, but if it's a choice between spending my time on something that benefits me and something that only benefits the guy setting up mythtv for the first time, well there is no competition |
[17:15:37] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro: You've moved some of your icons, eh? |
[17:15:53] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Yeah, video/audio on top, rec state stuff in the arc |
[17:16:10] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro: Lookin' good! ;-) |
[17:16:21] | iamlindoro: | Thanks |
[17:16:30] | octavsly: | gbee: OK |
[17:16:43] | quantum__: | J-e-f-f-A: well on the capture card setup page I have card type: "DVB DTV capture card (v3.x)" and DVB Device Number: 0 |
[17:17:18] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro: I didn't finish my 'replacement' dev box last-night... By the time I plugged in the HDD and DVD drive, it was midnight, so I went to bed so I could make it into work today... DOH! |
[17:17:37] | iamlindoro: | Heh, that's always the way |
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[17:18:24] | quantum__: | J-e-f-f-A: does that sound correct? Also, the channel autodection seems to come back with some channels |
[17:18:24] | Spyro: | argh. the EPG is painful. I held the remote button for a couple of seconds and its STILL scrolling now... |
[17:18:47] | octavsly: | gbee: thanks for your explanations. I will go for dinner now. |
[17:18:48] | stuarta: | how many channels do you have? |
[17:19:06] | ** octavsly is away: hungry ** | |
[17:19:19] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Spyro: PageUp/PageDn work better in that regard... |
[17:19:22] | Spyro: | stuarta: about 30 |
[17:19:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Spyro: 30? I have 300+... |
[17:19:40] | Spyro: | J-e-f-f-A|work: Im using a remote there are no page-up/down buttons |
[17:19:49] | stuarta: | Spyro: sounds like you are running with opengl done in software |
[17:19:57] | stuarta: | that sucks badly |
[17:20:00] | Spyro: | J-e-f-f-A|work: some of us dont have satellite |
[17:20:18] | Spyro: | stuarta: Id prefer not to be using opengl at all... |
[17:20:28] | stuarta: | you need to find the option to turn off opengl |
[17:20:34] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Spyro: So use QT? |
[17:20:47] | Spyro: | I am AFAICT |
[17:20:50] | quantum__: | I found some stuff in the log though: TVRec(7): HW Tuner: 7->7 |
[17:20:51] | quantum__: | 2009-01–02 11:07:36.478 DVBChan(7:0) Error: SetChannelByString(2): Failed to initialize multiplex options |
[17:20:51] | quantum__: | 2009-01–02 11:07:36.478 TVRec(7) Error: Failed to set channel to 2. Reverting to kState_None |
[17:21:34] | Spyro: | Paint engine – QT |
[17:21:40] | Spyro: | so not using GL |
[17:21:51] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: do you get channel 2? Actually, if that's ATSC, it should be something like 2_1 or 2.1 or 2–1 – depending on what channel seperator you chose when you scanned for channels. |
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[17:22:14] | quantum__: | J-e-f-f-A: no there is no channel 2 |
[17:22:26] | RyeBrye: | here is no spoon |
[17:22:39] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: Ok, sounds like you set something wrong in mythtv-setup – one sec... |
[17:23:25] | Spyro: | turned GL on – made zero difference to the epg speed. |
[17:24:51] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: Go into mythtv-setup again, and go to your Input Connections, then to the Tuner input. |
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[17:25:00] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quan |
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[17:25:17] | quantum__: | yes |
[17:25:38] | quantum__: | so I have [DVB: 0 ] (DVBInput) -> Antenna |
[17:25:56] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: (oops)... Set the Starting channel to something legal — if it says something like 'Please Scan for channels', then MythTV doesn't know what channels are available yet. |
[17:27:13] | quantum__: | I am confused though do the channels then come from the scanned channels or form the SchedulesDirect |
[17:27:51] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Well, the channels come from the scanning, the listings come from SD. |
[17:29:08] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: So, what was your "Starting Channel" set to? |
[17:29:24] | quantum__: | 2 |
[17:30:14] | quantum__: | it only lists integer channels, not things like 2_1 |
[17:30:50] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: That's not right – are you in the Digital side of it, and not the Analog side? |
[17:31:19] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | IE: the DVB adapter, not the "V4L" "/dev/video0" tuner? |
[17:32:10] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: Or perhaps you setup the listing source on SD as the Analog channels instead of the Digital channels? |
[17:32:45] | quantum__: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah could be an issue with schedules direct, I din't see an option there |
[17:32:57] | quantum__: | I don't see a digital side to the drop down box |
[17:34:22] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: Well, an HD-5500 is both an Analog (NTSC) and Digital (ATSC/QAM) tuner. The Analog side is a 'framegrabber' that appears on "/dev/video#", and the Digital side appears on "/dev/dvb/adapter#" – you just want the Digital, DVB side of it. |
[17:34:39] | quantum__: | o.k I am on the DVB |
[17:34:47] | quantum__: | so that should be the digital size |
[17:35:12] | quantum__: | on schedules direct I don't see anything to distinguish between analog and ditigal |
[17:35:38] | quantum__: | just has Local Broadcast Listings – Antenna |
[17:35:54] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: I'm logging into SD now to see how mine is setup... one sec... |
[17:37:48] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: Mylistings show channel numbers like "2 WGBH" "2–1 WGBHHDT" "2–2 WGBHHDT2" ETC... You don't see the HD channels for your area? |
[17:39:23] | quantum__: | yeah I do see that when I go to the acutal channels so maybe that is o.k., |
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[17:40:14] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Well, you want to disable the analog channels on SD, since it's a digital tuner. [and they'll be gone in ~1.5 months anyways] |
[17:40:24] | quantum__: | I think I just don't have the underscore |
[17:40:30] | quantum__: | in myth that is |
[17:41:35] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: That's possible... I chose a period myself... Probably because an older OTA standalone tuner used a period as a seperator. |
[17:42:07] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: You can do that, as long as they resulting channel number doesn't conflict with another source... |
[17:42:08] | quantum__: | how do I know which is right. should it match SD or is it related to my tuner card |
[17:43:12] | quantum__: | also where is the box to specify that in myth |
[17:43:39] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: When you do your channel scan in mythtv-setup, you chose the channel seperator character. |
[17:46:20] | quantum__: | may have that screwed up let me check and redo the scan |
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[17:49:37] | EvilGuru: | What is the availability of the HD PVR like nowadays |
[17:54:34] | quantum__: | J-e-f-f-Awell I am seeing stuff like updating TPT 17D 17–1 as 171 on ATSC channel 16(16). So it seems like it isn't accepting my underscore seporator or something |
[17:55:15] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: Check out http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HD-3000# . . . B_drivers.29 – it covers the HD-5500 as well – ignore all the stuff about compiling drivers, etc, it's all in the latest kernels. |
[17:56:09] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: And anywhere you see "Zap2It", replace it with "SchedulesDirect"... |
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[17:58:09] | iamlindoro: | EvilGuru, Wide, easy |
[17:58:34] | ** EvilGuru is thinking of picking up an HD Fury2 and an HD PVR with some spare cash ** | |
[18:02:01] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: That direct link didn't paste right... scroll down about 2/3 of the way to "Configuring Myth Backend (DVB drivers)" |
[18:02:03] | EvilGuru: | If I understand the new version correctly there is no need for a Box 1010 |
[18:05:47] | quantum__: | J-e-f-f-A: looking |
[18:06:51] | iamlindoro: | EvilGuru, w/ the HDFury2, yes, that's correct |
[18:07:22] | EvilGuru: | So much for not making it easy to get at the analogue signal :P |
[18:08:25] | quantum__: | J-e-f-f-A: I am wondering about the one source for each input, since I have digital and analog does that mean I need to buy another account on schedules direct or something? |
[18:11:02] | quantum__: | J-e-f-f-A: seems like for the channel updates I need to select delete rather than minimual update for it to add the digital channels to the dropdown box. now to see if I can tune in anything on hte watch tv |
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[18:13:22] | wagnerrp: | but the HDF2 supports piracy! and we all know piracy supports terrorism.... |
[18:16:15] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: No, for SD, just enter an adjacent zip-code for your digital only channels. |
[18:16:29] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Outstanding |
[18:16:54] | wagnerrp: | quantum__: you can have four separate lineups on a single SD account |
[18:17:09] | wagnerrp: | oh, nevermind |
[18:17:41] | wagnerrp: | forgot about that limitation |
[18:18:30] | EvilGuru: | Only 2 channel audio though, but I guess nearly all HDMI sources also provide S/PDIF |
[18:19:17] | wagnerrp: | pretty much, and all ATSC is in AC3, so there is no re-encoding anywhere |
[18:19:56] | quantum__: | o.k. seems like I am getting something, now how do I handle both digial and analog tuners in the same system? |
[18:20:11] | wagnerrp: | you add them in as separate devices |
[18:20:13] | quantum__: | J-e-f-f-A: ahh didn't see your reply let me try that |
[18:20:16] | EvilGuru: | I think that HDMI can carry 7.1 LPCM if asked, but know of no other interconnects which will do so digitally |
[18:20:37] | wagnerrp: | quantum__: are these tuners on the same card? or separate? |
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[18:21:29] | EvilGuru: | So £145 for an HD PVR and £144 for an hdfury |
[18:21:46] | wagnerrp: | who has an HDPVR for 145? |
[18:22:09] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | quantum__: Out of curiosity, why are you bothering with Analog, it's gone in like 45 days... |
[18:22:33] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A|work: cable will continue to be analog for several years yet to come |
[18:22:49] | wagnerrp: | and canadia has analog broadcast for several more years (if he lives there) |
[18:22:56] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | I woudln't bet on Several years... ;-) |
[18:23:01] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: http://www.shop.bt.com/productview.aspx?quicklinx=58XW |
[18:23:50] | wagnerrp: | my cableco has been advertising that you will still be able to use your analog TVs with cable after the switchover |
[18:24:11] | wagnerrp: | i imagine if they repeatedly advertise that, and then drop channels en masse, there will be a lot of complaints |
[18:24:32] | gbee: | dabs in other words (BT's shop is just Dabs.com) |
[18:24:39] | gbee: | BT having bought Dabs |
[18:25:22] | wagnerrp: | oh, 145 pounds, so thats about the same as the ~$180 Dell unit |
[18:25:43] | stuarta: | gbee: huh? when did BT buy dabs? |
[18:26:09] | gbee: | April 2006 |
[18:26:18] | gbee: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4956100.stm |
[18:26:24] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ah, according to 'exchangerate.com", 145 pounds = 212.8664 USD... |
[18:26:45] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: yeah, with a STB. |
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[18:29:55] | EvilGuru: | J-e-f-f-A|work: Give it a few more weeks and it will be < 200 USD |
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[18:31:17] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | EvilGuru: It's $208.37 with Free shipping from "4udiscounts.info" — Whoever they are... ;-) |
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[18:31:51] | ** EvilGuru often gets taxed ** | |
[18:31:57] | andreax: | Should the weather-plugin work for current svn ? |
[18:32:24] | geemark: | mythbackend is trying update my DB schema, but it fails with the error "Duplicate entry 'H' for key 1"... it appears to be in an SQL statement that changes the encoding of some field.. any ideas to help this? |
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[18:36:45] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Still has a long way to go, but this is the real thing this time: http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB-actual.png |
[18:38:19] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | EvilGuru: I was one of the ones that paid something like $240 for the HD-3000 during the broadcast flag scare... ;-) I get most of the stuff I want via OTA HD now, although there are some channels I'd like to get in HD from Dish... |
[18:38:57] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A|work: yeah, them be crazy prices |
[18:39:33] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A|work: almost fired the gun back in the day but am glad I had restraint |
[18:39:58] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro: ooh, looking good! ;-) You'll be an epert in theming in no time... |
[18:40:05] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A|work: used the cableco STB over firewire, figured it was cheaper than buying HW |
[18:40:06] | gbee: | iamlindoro: nice |
[18:40:24] | gbee: | you moved the recording list down? |
[18:40:28] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, gbee: Not bad for an hour's pass from concept to actually workign |
[18:40:37] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | mchou: hehe... A few months ago I bought a HDHomeRun and pulled the HD-3000 and HD-5500 out of my box... ;-) |
[18:40:53] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Whichnow? |
[18:41:22] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A|work: yeah, good choice |
[18:41:38] | gbee: | we you were talking about the list text disappearing behind the green image, but in that version it's a good cm lower |
[18:41:44] | gbee: | s/we/well/ |
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[18:42:29] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Oh, no, center scrolling and the list just isn't long enough |
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[18:42:43] | iamlindoro: | gbee, It does indeed all disappear under (see the goup list) |
[18:42:48] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro: Not bad at all. ;-) |
[18:42:49] | gbee: | just noticed what's missing, at least what I'd like to see in a watch recordings screen, which does not mean you have to include it btw, but a clock |
[18:43:04] | gbee: | ahh |
[18:43:19] | iamlindoro: | er group |
[18:43:39] | iamlindoro: | will really "pop" when/if banner art can be used |
[18:44:04] | iamlindoro: | But hey, if a neophyte like me can get something funtional so quickly, there's certainly tons of potential |
[18:44:06] | gbee: | yeah, noticed it there but thought you'd moved the recordings list, didn't even think that it just wasn't long enough to disappear :) |
[18:45:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | mchou: Just saw that you used FW — it wasn't an option to me – locked up in my area... And I would have had to switch from Dish to Cable. But I would have done that if the FW ports were non-encrypted... |
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[18:46:04] | gbee: | iamlindoro: themed the popup menu yet? |
[18:46:16] | iamlindoro: | gbee, nope, not yet |
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[18:51:42] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro: hey, what's the minimum card for VDPAU, it's the 8600 w/PCIe 2.0, right? |
[18:51:58] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Any 8xxx except the 8800 GTX |
[18:52:02] | iamlindoro: | or better |
[18:52:09] | poodyp: | and the 8100 |
[18:52:36] | poodyp: | the cheapest card you can get is probably an 8400 PCI |
[18:52:57] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | How about 8400 |
[18:53:14] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ... 8400 GS for $49.99 at micro center: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_res . . . t_id=0291635 |
[18:53:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | $29.99 after rebate... even better... |
[18:54:08] | gbee: | beware, some discussion suggests that the 8400 GS doesn't support the advanced deinterlacers |
[18:54:46] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: Humm... wonder what else they have then... ;-) |
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[18:55:40] | gbee: | it gets a little complicated, not all hardware supports all the features of vdpau and it's not simply that a newer model or higher model number is better |
[18:55:51] | gbee: | some features disappear in later models |
[18:56:23] | laga: | and let me guess, there is no comparison table :) |
[18:56:58] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: Well, I guess for my test box, $29.99 will do... and hopefully it works out for VDPAU... If not, my cpu can handle MPEG2 HD for now... and might be ok for H.264 with threading... (Athon 64 x2 4600) |
[18:57:31] | gbee: | no, there are comparison tables, but even those don't tell the full truth e.g. some 8400s were based on different chipsets so you have variability within a model |
[18:58:45] | gbee: | vdpau doesn't use threading, to use threading means losing the advantage of threading and threading doesn't work for single sliced (HD PVR) AVC |
[18:59:04] | gbee: | but a x2 4600 should have no problems with sliced AVC |
[19:00:04] | wagnerrp: | correction, an x2 4600 should have no problem with sliced AVC up to about 20mbps |
[19:00:49] | gbee: | wagnerrp: which is the limit for broadcast AVC at least |
[19:01:07] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
[19:01:08] | gbee: | but you might be out of luck with Blu-Ray |
[19:02:00] | gbee: | BBC HD, including < 1mbps of audio streams and a few hundred kbps of subtitles is currently 22 mbps |
[19:02:12] | wagnerrp: | my 2.2GHz single core 939 starts choking around 8mbps |
[19:02:36] | poodyp: | http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14493 |
[19:02:48] | poodyp: | that's the only comparison of features I've found |
[19:02:55] | mchou: | so enquirings minds want to know about nvidia commitment to VDPAU.....didnt xvmc get orphaned, more or less? |
[19:03:21] | wagnerrp: | correct |
[19:03:33] | wagnerrp: | either the 6 or 7 series was the last to support xvmc |
[19:03:42] | wagnerrp: | newer cards cannot use it |
[19:03:54] | mchou: | and with all the "confusion" over VDPAU HW features and chips it's just not exactly a recipe for success |
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[19:04:34] | wagnerrp: | well you have cards that support VDPAU, and cards that support VDPAU and VC1 decoding |
[19:04:57] | quantum__: | hmm seems like it took about 250 megs for 5 minutes of HD video, does that seem right? |
[19:04:58] | wagnerrp: | the only place youre going to find VC1 are HDDVD, and a handful of bluray |
[19:04:59] | mchou: | and some "advanced" interlacing and some not |
[19:05:14] | mchou: | that's what I mean by features |
[19:05:36] | mchou: | VDPAU is some umbrella term that's actually not very specific |
[19:05:37] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it is limited to 4.1, and you cannot used some of the more advanced B frame layouts |
[19:06:08] | wagnerrp: | but thats static based off the implementation, not hardware support in the cards |
[19:06:15] | wagnerrp: | the only difference between cards is the VC1 support |
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[19:07:42] | quantum__: | actually it is more like 2 minutes and 250 MB. Does that seem right for HD? |
[19:07:56] | wagnerrp: | which reminds me, i need to test my 8400, nvclock reports it has a NV98 chip |
[19:08:33] | wagnerrp: | thats 16.7mbps, about the highest average you will see with (north american) HD |
[19:10:33] | quantum__: | yeah that comes about to about what I got |
[19:10:43] | quantum__: | guess I need more HD space |
[19:11:02] | quantum__: | that is 7.5 GB/hr I think |
[19:11:08] | wagnerrp: | roughly |
[19:11:56] | quantum__: | does transcoding the HD recordings work |
[19:12:06] | quantum__: | give it a bit better compression |
[19:12:25] | mchou: | quantum__: works but there's really no point |
[19:12:32] | wagnerrp: | certainly, but you end up with a .nuv encoded in mpeg4-asp |
[19:12:48] | mchou: | HDD space is cheap. time may not be |
[19:12:58] | wagnerrp: | better just to do a lossless transcode (clip out the commercials), or use some external program to encode to h264 |
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[19:14:15] | wagnerrp: | lossless transcoding can be done with just a minute or two of checking the commercial list, and then a couple minutes of file copies |
[19:14:20] | quantum__: | sounds like the best option for a HDTV i one that supports DVI. Does that sound right, for hooking up to myth. |
[19:14:24] | wagnerrp: | you usually cut some 30% off the file size |
[19:14:56] | quantum__: | wagnerrp: yeah that would add up on files that big |
[19:15:37] | poodyp: | quantum__: HDMI = DVI so if you get one with HDMI you can just use a 5 dollar adapter to connect a computer with DVI to it |
[19:16:10] | iamlindoro: | HDMI != DVI |
[19:16:12] | quantum__: | so can you do lossless compression to H.264 on from the mythtranscoder? |
[19:16:16] | iamlindoro: | HDMI = DVI compatible |
[19:16:38] | wagnerrp: | quantum__: you have a source of h264 content? |
[19:17:17] | quantum__: | wagnerrp: I though the HD content was mpeg-2 |
[19:17:56] | wagnerrp: | correct, how do you intend to losslessly encode from mpeg2 to h264? |
[19:18:30] | wagnerrp: | i mean i suppose h264 does have a 'lossless' mode, but i imagine that only manages 4x compression over straight raw |
[19:19:00] | wagnerrp: | the lossless transcode is not a true transcode per se |
[19:19:07] | wagnerrp: | all youre doing is clipping segments out |
[19:19:24] | wagnerrp: | and then doing some cleanup to place a new I frame on either end of the cut |
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[19:19:59] | quantum__: | I think I see |
[19:20:21] | wagnerrp: | any time you transcode, there WILL BE LOSS, theres no way around it |
[19:20:57] | wagnerrp: | unless youre using a lossless codec, which as mentioned will only manage 3–4x less space than raw frames |
[19:22:41] | quantum__: | ok thanks |
[19:22:45] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Ooh, 9400GT 512MB PCIe 2.0 for $64.99... not bad I think... |
[19:22:59] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ^^ and $20 rebate on that too... humm... |
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[19:23:25] | wagnerrp: | now the HDPVR does output h264, as do some DVB channels, and i believe there has been some preliminary work on getting lossless h264 transcoding working for those cases |
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[19:26:58] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: Do you know if the 9400GT is ok for VDPAU? Or does it vary as well.. |
[19:27:10] | wagnerrp: | 8-series and up all work |
[19:27:15] | wagnerrp: | except for the 8800GTX |
[19:27:18] | gbee: | J-e-f-f-A: I don't, sorry |
[19:27:38] | wagnerrp: | no whether it supports VC1, i dont know |
[19:27:43] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: yeah, but gbee had said that unfortunately features vary per card... |
[19:28:06] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: yeah, I don't care about that too much, although I do have a dozen or so HD-DVDs... not a huge deal. |
[19:29:58] | wagnerrp: | how about this for a difference between the 8400GS models? older versions have DDR2, newer have GDDR2 |
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[19:33:31] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Here's the one I'm looking at: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_res . . . t_id=0298257 |
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[19:40:52] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: yeah, this one just has DDR2, but that's ok I think. ;-) At least for a myth display card – I'm not going to be doing HD gaming on it. |
[19:41:33] | wagnerrp: | i mean the difference between the G86 (non-VC1) models and G98 (VC1) models |
[19:41:36] | poodyp: | there's always 3d chess :D |
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[20:02:53] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Ok, I ordered the 9400GT... ;-) I'll drive into Boston to pick it up tonight. ;-) |
[20:04:09] | jackson__: | J-e-f-f-A|work, the EN8400GS 512 SILENT at newegg is g98 |
[20:05:12] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | jackson__: yeah, but I can't pick it up tonight... ;-) This one is $68.24 (after tax), and after $20 MIR, it's $48.24... Not bad I think... |
[20:07:24] | jackson__: | J-e-f-f-A|work, has anyone confirmed what processor the 9400gt is? |
[20:07:50] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | jackson__: I dunno, I suppose I'll find out tonight. |
[20:08:16] | jackson__: | J-e-f-f-A|work, Cool, have you seen the vdpau capability tool that was posted in one of the nvnews threads? |
[20:08:43] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | No, I haven't... care to point me to it? ;-) |
[20:08:50] | jackson__: | let me dig |
[20:08:52] | SHADOW__X: | the microcenter rebates actually work i have gotten one |
[20:08:55] | poodyp: | I linked to it earlier |
[20:09:34] | poodyp: | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=124978 |
[20:09:35] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | SHADOW__X: yeah, I have become a regular customer of MC since my company put a datacenter in Boston... I'm driving within 2 miles of it at least once a week... |
[20:09:59] | SHADOW__X: | nice yeah i really like them\ |
[20:10:11] | SHADOW__X: | price wise most of the time they are pretty close |
[20:10:29] | jackson__: | thanks poodyp |
[20:10:34] | SHADOW__X: | the only thing i say alittle high was sdhcmicrosd |
[20:10:47] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | yeah, poodyp thanks... ;-) and thanks jackson__ for thinking of it... ;-) |
[20:10:50] | SHADOW__X: | that was alittle high other than that price are good |
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[20:24:52] | iamlindoro: | "you should add it to the feature request page on the wiki so it doesn't get lost." Hahahaha, oh -users... |
[20:26:16] | wagnerrp: | is there actually work being done on mythmusic? |
[20:26:55] | gbee: | the UI? not at this exact minute, but it's yet to be ported to mythui and I plan to make some changes/improvements at that time |
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[20:33:39] | justinh: | whew. made it to friday night :) |
[20:35:22] | iamlindoro: | On a week that started... Friday morning? ;) |
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[20:41:09] | notyjoey: | hey, when i launch mythtv it looks like the resolution is whacked. I have an ATI vid card with the ATI drivers enabled. |
[20:41:27] | notyjoey: | if i disable the the ATI drivers then it works just fine |
[20:41:30] | notyjoey: | any suggestions? |
[20:42:07] | SHADOW__X: | what do you mean by whacked |
[20:42:25] | iamlindoro: | He means the opposite of bomb, yo |
[20:42:29] | iamlindoro: | duh |
[20:42:47] | ** iamlindoro spends a moment weeping for our youth ** | |
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[20:43:18] | SHADOW__X: | heh |
[20:43:44] | ** SHADOW__X believes there are better ways to describe such occurrences ** | |
[20:43:48] | notyjoey: | you know when you have a resolution that is out of range for the monitor |
[20:43:53] | notyjoey: | and it looked whacked? |
[20:44:06] | notyjoey: | as in the picture is distorted |
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[20:44:12] | justinh: | iamlindoro: so now you know how easy theming is :) |
[20:44:45] | iamlindoro: | Use quotation marks, damn you |
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[20:44:48] | iamlindoro: | "easy" |
[20:45:13] | justinh: | any more shots like the ones you're churning out & I could quite easy not feel any guilt for standing idly by |
[20:45:39] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB-actual.png |
[20:45:42] | iamlindoro: | Doink! |
[20:45:57] | iamlindoro: | But please *don't* |
[20:46:00] | gbee: | justinh: don't you dare stand idly by |
[20:46:27] | iamlindoro: | gbee, This one has a better example of the overlay of the bar, btw |
[20:46:28] | SHADOW__X: | hmm nice but what exactly is the background image |
[20:46:43] | justinh: | I really want to get stuck in, but where I am right now I just can't get motivated again |
[20:46:45] | iamlindoro: | The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou! |
[20:46:55] | iamlindoro: | Beloved by Wes Anderson fans the world over |
[20:47:00] | SHADOW__X: | hmm |
[20:47:32] | iamlindoro: | idea being by the time the theme is done, it should hopefully be possible to set a directory of backdrops, which it will randomly cycle |
[20:47:45] | iamlindoro: | So that part of it will be user-provided |
[20:47:46] | justinh: | so now we *have* to have fan art capability :) |
[20:48:08] | SHADOW__X: | lol |
[20:48:17] | justinh: | fan art storage group! |
[20:49:38] | justinh: | now I got my wireless worky on ubunuts again I can at least hack in the comfort of my couch |
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[20:52:29] | wagnerrp: | but can you print!?!? |
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[20:52:52] | gbee: | stylus printer, aye |
[20:52:58] | gbee: | that is, a pen and paper |
[20:53:35] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-actual3.png |
[20:53:37] | gbee: | anyone following the development of the HE LATM decoding for ffmpeg? |
[20:53:44] | iamlindoro: | There, if someone feels *that* strongly about the background |
[20:53:51] | iamlindoro: | If you don't like that then you're a terrorist, see? |
[20:54:38] | justinh: | too much foreground :D |
[20:54:43] | iamlindoro: | hahaha |
[20:54:51] | gbee: | to much of the bloke |
[20:54:54] | gbee: | s/to/too/ |
[20:54:56] | poodyp: | needs episode numbers |
[20:55:06] | justinh: | too many clothes too |
[20:55:22] | iamlindoro: | poodyp, How would you propose I get those, by magicking them out of the air? there's no ep # info in our listings |
[20:55:32] | poodyp: | yes |
[20:55:39] | poodyp: | why aren't you a wizard? |
[20:55:43] | gbee: | iamlindoro: you're not trying hard enough |
[20:55:48] | ** iamlindoro gets out his tall hat and wand ** | |
[20:55:57] | justinh: | episode numbers are for making torrent creation easier, dummy |
[20:56:13] | poodyp: | you should put it in the feature request page on the wiki so it doesn't get lost |
[20:56:16] | wagnerrp: | its 'robe and wizard hat'... |
[20:56:22] | RyeBrye: | join #android |
[20:56:22] | iamlindoro: | wheeeeee, feature request page! |
[20:56:35] | poodyp: | :D |
[20:57:08] | justinh: | Lost_S97_E56.1337.c0d3r5.com.HD-rip.mkv |
[20:57:21] | wagnerrp: | i would say adapt the tvrage script, but that searches by episode number, not for |
[20:57:27] | ** gbee reports justinh ** | |
[20:57:38] | justinh: | I heard it'll get good by series 96 |
[20:57:44] | SHADOW__X: | lol |
[20:58:10] | poodyp: | hey tvrage is back |
[20:58:12] | wagnerrp: | 100 years later and theyre still on the island? or is it more flashbacks? |
[20:58:40] | poodyp: | by that point they've all gone senile and forgot what they were doing |
[20:58:51] | justinh: | wagnerrp: not 100 years later. after the 12th series they start doing daily editions |
[20:59:19] | wagnerrp: | hourly! in todays episode... they continue to sleep! |
[20:59:24] | iamlindoro: | the first 4 seasons were 42 days |
[20:59:52] | wagnerrp: | but beware, while they sleep, there is a monkey smearing feces on them! |
[21:00:00] | justinh: | oo apparently the next Dr Who will be named tomorrow |
[21:00:25] | justinh: | Boris Johnson! |
[21:00:50] | iamlindoro: | martina navratalova? |
[21:00:53] | poodyp: | Jeremy Clarkson! |
[21:00:58] | ** gbee bets on a woman ** | |
[21:01:06] | kormoc: | Jewel Staite! |
[21:01:11] | iamlindoro: | YAY |
[21:01:34] | poodyp: | that guy that played Rimmer on red dwarf |
[21:01:43] | justinh: | god not Chris Barrie |
[21:01:50] | gbee: | kormoc: were that true I might actually start watching it |
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[21:02:52] | kormoc: | gbee, Hehe... She is free given SG:A is over :( |
[21:03:32] | iamlindoro: | Not when I have her locked up in my basement she's not |
[21:04:02] | ** justinh then wonders who's locked in the boot of his car in that case ** | |
[21:04:06] | gbee: | hey! not fair, you can't keep her all to yourself |
[21:04:14] | iamlindoro: | Oh I most assuredly can |
[21:04:32] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
[21:04:35] | poodyp: | do you have her helping you make those awesome themes? |
[21:04:37] | iamlindoro: | gbee, masking is the best. thing. evar. by the way |
[21:04:37] | justinh: | ahh yes. Peter Davison's daughter. I remember now |
[21:05:01] | justinh: | iamlindoro: you could try getting drunk. saves you needing to use a mask |
[21:05:13] | iamlindoro: | poodyp, I don't get to claim any adulation for themes until I actually finish a full one :) |
[21:05:14] | kormoc: | Still will need the tights tho |
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[21:05:39] | iamlindoro: | poodyp, The list of people who have actually done full themes is short but distinguished |
[21:05:57] | ** iamlindoro wonders how kormoc knows about the tights, peers nervously out the window ** | |
[21:06:13] | kormoc: | no mask is complete without tights! |
[21:06:35] | wagnerrp: | i thought the mask needed a bright yellow suit |
[21:06:35] | iamlindoro: | Hey, lots of adult men wear footie pajamas |
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[21:07:23] | iamlindoro: | I have multiple preview screenshots that involve boobs, this makes creating a family friendly theme screenshot more difficult |
[21:07:38] | notyjoey: | ok, when i launch mythtv it looks like the old style UHF signals you'd have to tune to make the lines throughout the image go away |
[21:07:54] | notyjoey: | i tried different resolutions so that the theme would be generated again |
[21:07:56] | notyjoey: | and it didnt work |
[21:07:58] | iamlindoro: | yeah, that's what it's supposed to look like. Awesome, huh? |
[21:08:05] | justinh: | old skool! |
[21:08:13] | gbee: | you're lucky, the rest of us pay extra for those lines |
[21:08:16] | SHADOW__X: | notyjoey: have an ati card? |
[21:08:22] | notyjoey: | SHADOW__X: yup |
[21:08:24] | wagnerrp: | sounds like a video cable or output card |
[21:08:29] | notyjoey: | i got the ATI restricted driver enabled |
[21:08:29] | SHADOW__X: | that should be your issue |
[21:08:32] | justinh: | or a ground loop |
[21:08:32] | notyjoey: | if i disable it |
[21:08:34] | notyjoey: | it works |
[21:08:41] | SHADOW__X: | so then its t he driver there |
[21:08:46] | SHADOW__X: | you figured it out yourself |
[21:08:51] | justinh: | ding ding |
[21:09:01] | notyjoey: | well, not totally, im just wondering if there is a fix for that |
[21:09:15] | wagnerrp: | my first attempt at an 'HTPC' was a 40' unshielded RCA cable from my desktop to my tv |
[21:09:23] | wagnerrp: | it had a lot of those lines |
[21:09:29] | SHADOW__X: | lol |
[21:09:34] | SHADOW__X: | i think we all did that wagnerrp |
[21:09:34] | notyjoey: | i got a DVI hoolup |
[21:09:43] | notyjoey: | hookup* |
[21:09:52] | SHADOW__X: | notyjoey: see what version of driver you are running and see if you can update |
[21:09:55] | justinh: | analogue VGA over DVI or digital over DVI? |
[21:10:04] | SHADOW__X: | its a driver bug i have had the same thing |
[21:10:17] | notyjoey: | SHADOW__X: DVI from the card to the HDMI port on the tv |
[21:10:27] | justinh: | sounds like another win for those people who pay me to recommend them |
[21:10:35] | notyjoey: | single cable, no adaptor |
[21:10:39] | SHADOW__X: | i had that happen on my laptop |
[21:10:42] | SHADOW__X: | with an ati card |
[21:11:01] | SHADOW__X: | http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/je-sai . . . on-small.jpg |
[21:11:04] | SHADOW__X: | kinda close? |
[21:11:18] | notyjoey: | SHADOW__X: yup, |
[21:11:23] | SHADOW__X: | i had something like that myself |
[21:11:24] | SHADOW__X: | http://members.chello.cz/nazir/tmp/fglrx_8.2_bug.png |
[21:11:26] | notyjoey: | just about except you get more of an image than what i get |
[21:11:26] | wagnerrp: | ooh, that looks fun |
[21:11:32] | SHADOW__X: | thats the ati driver |
[21:11:36] | justinh: | that doesn't look like the problem you just described at all. not one bit |
[21:11:41] | SHADOW__X: | there is a bug when you use opengl i beleive |
[21:11:44] | SHADOW__X: | thats the problem |
[21:12:08] | notyjoey: | ah, now for the part that sucks. When i disable the driver i get no display on my tv and have to revert back to my lcd monitor |
[21:12:09] | notyjoey: | ;( |
[21:12:17] | SHADOW__X: | hmm |
[21:12:20] | notyjoey: | well |
[21:12:20] | justinh: | that's definitely a picture of a driver problem |
[21:12:22] | notyjoey: | when i reboot |
[21:12:30] | gbee: | notyjoey: start the frontend with "mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt" |
[21:12:31] | wagnerrp: | yeah, absolutely a digital issue, not analog |
[21:12:32] | SHADOW__X: | yeah try updating your driver |
[21:12:53] | justinh: | or try rolling back your driver |
[21:13:03] | wagnerrp: | gently caress it |
[21:13:24] | gbee: | iirc there is supposed to be a config related fix for that issue, but just don't ask me to remember what it is |
[21:13:44] | iamlindoro: | -geometry with a setting of +1 pixel in both dimensions |
[21:13:49] | notyjoey: | gbee: same deal |
[21:13:52] | iamlindoro: | ie 1281x721 |
[21:14:00] | SHADOW__X: | buy a newer ati card or buy nvidia |
[21:14:01] | gbee: | notyjoey: you sure? |
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[21:14:17] | notyjoey: | gbee: yup, just launched it from a term and it looks the same |
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[21:14:28] | SHADOW__X: | yeah there was something that if you used a special reso it would fix the issue didnt resolve my issue but i believe using qt fixed it |
[21:14:37] | SHADOW__X: | notyjoey: try using qt |
[21:14:37] | iamlindoro: | notyjoey, what is the *exact* res you are running at? |
[21:14:41] | SHADOW__X: | instead of opengl |
[21:14:47] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW__X, That's what gbee just had him do |
[21:14:48] | gbee: | hmm, not the same issue as the one iamlindoro and I are thinking of, since that only affected OpenGL |
[21:14:49] | notyjoey: | 1920x1080 |
[21:15:03] | SHADOW__X: | hmm |
[21:15:07] | iamlindoro: | notyjoey, just for kicks, try mythfrontend -geometry 1921x1081 |
[21:15:30] | notyjoey: | ha |
[21:15:32] | notyjoey: | it worked! |
[21:15:39] | gbee: | stranger still |
[21:15:55] | iamlindoro: | notyjoey, when you did gbee's command, did you get the capitalization right? |
[21:16:01] | iamlindoro: | Theme with a capital? |
[21:16:05] | notyjoey: | iamlindoro: but of course |
[21:16:14] | iamlindoro: | ok |
[21:16:20] | iamlindoro: | oh well, yay me |
[21:16:33] | notyjoey: | the O and the T & P |
[21:16:33] | SHADOW__X: | congrats |
[21:16:34] | SHADOW__X: | maybe ati should hire you |
[21:16:39] | notyjoey: | seriously! |
[21:16:40] | notyjoey: | lol |
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[21:16:59] | iamlindoro: | Maybe ATI should fix their drivers and leave me out of it :) |
[21:17:08] | iamlindoro: | I gots pretty pitchers to make |
[21:17:12] | SHADOW__X: | whats easier |
[21:17:22] | SHADOW__X: | fix the problem or hire more people to help fix iti |
[21:17:25] | SHADOW__X: | i think hire more |
[21:17:34] | SHADOW__X: | thats what microsoft did for vista |
[21:17:38] | SHADOW__X: | seemed to work greatly |
[21:17:39] | SHADOW__X: | for them |
[21:17:44] | notyjoey: | thing is that i got ati because i has issues with nvidia |
[21:17:54] | notyjoey: | i think i still got my nvidia card kicking around somewhere |
[21:18:01] | iamlindoro: | gah, library version bump! |
[21:18:07] | wagnerrp: | or take the engineers they have, and lock them in the basement with an unlimited supply of scotch until its done |
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[21:18:26] | notyjoey: | might want to thow in a key of blow while youre at it |
[21:18:40] | iamlindoro: | But not my basement, since nobody is getting any work done down there |
[21:18:57] | iamlindoro: | Not with JS chained to the radiator |
[21:19:00] | wagnerrp: | notyjoey: never heard of the Ballmer Peak? |
[21:19:06] | SHADOW__X: | i thought windows vista was the beta to windows 7 |
[21:19:13] | SHADOW__X: | which is a fairy tale os |
[21:19:28] | notyjoey: | wagnerrp: nope |
[21:21:41] | notyjoey: | i think i'll install this shit on my mac too |
[21:21:45] | notyjoey: | so i can watch tv in the office |
[21:22:05] | notyjoey: | then i'll actually get some use our of the gay machine |
[21:22:14] | notyjoey: | s/our/out/ |
[21:22:40] | iamlindoro: | Well there's multiple rules broken in the space of minute |
[21:24:15] | iamlindoro: | how about some racism just to round it out, then |
[21:24:28] | justinh: | and a yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-hawwwwwwwww? ;-) |
[21:25:53] | iamlindoro: | Welcome to America, where the word "elite" is somehow *bad* |
[21:26:15] | SHADOW__X: | hmm |
[21:27:01] | jams: | notyjoey- that sort of language is not tolerated around here, please try to keep it clean. |
[21:27:41] | ** gbee hopes that's a good 'sh*t' and not a bad 'sh*t' ** | |
[21:27:55] | justinh: | is there any difference? |
[21:27:57] | notyjoey: | wait, is it m*c that is the problem or g*y? |
[21:28:09] | iamlindoro: | that would be "bomb sh*t" and not "whack sh*t" |
[21:28:34] | iamlindoro: | notyjoey, profanity and homophobia, both not tolerated here |
[21:28:57] | iamlindoro: | including using intolerant words out of context but in a negative manner |
[21:29:29] | notyjoey: | i guess it is subjective to what ones perception of a negative manner is |
[21:29:36] | notyjoey: | but i get it |
[21:35:49] | squish102: | if you have run out of slots for more qam tuners, are the hauppauge usb ones an option? |
[21:36:11] | justinh: | slave backends are an option |
[21:36:34] | gbee: | heh |
[21:37:07] | gbee: | squish102: not heard much mention of people using USB Cable tuners |
[21:37:41] | squish102: | justinh i dont typically want more backends. electricity bill is getting a little high :( |
[21:37:54] | gbee: | for ATSC/DVB-T you've got the option of the HD-Homerun, might be a Cable version of that? |
[21:38:33] | justinh: | my dad's been keeping a meter on the kettle in the kitchen. in one quarter, making cups of tea has cost them £50 |
[21:39:40] | squish102: | one day i think i am going to buckle and get the HD-Homerun |
[21:39:59] | squish102: | i always see these cheap tuners and buy them and try get them to work :( |
[21:40:33] | justinh: | can you spell false economy? ;) |
[21:40:38] | squish102: | like the special "Hauppauge 1198 WinTV-HVR-950 HDTV tuner w/ Clear QAM Remote $46.11 no rebate at Amazon" |
[21:41:01] | SHADOW__X: | squish102: thats what i did when i didnt know that t here was a diff between frame grabbers and mpeg encoders |
[21:41:09] | justinh: | where are all those dual tuner pci-e cards which worky in loonix? |
[21:41:48] | squish102: | yip have not found a cheap pci-e tuner yet :( |
[21:42:03] | squish102: | SHADOW__X, have 3 of those too |
[21:42:36] | squish102: | luckily im not too much into SD anymore, so the cheap digital tuners are doing fine |
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[21:44:04] | justinh: | ggrrr. government is gonna give free laptops to kids who bunk off school & don't speak the lingo |
[21:44:12] | poodyp: | there's the HVR-1600 and 1150 for pci-e |
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[21:44:59] | SHADOW__X: | i got a hvr 1600 and a hvr 1800 |
[21:45:03] | poodyp: | I can't wait for the HVR-2250 |
[21:45:11] | justinh: | whoah. £10,000 FOR 400 laptops? oh boy |
[21:45:17] | justinh: | oops. £310,000 |
[21:45:30] | SHADOW__X: | damn |
[21:45:38] | gbee: | justinh: eh? No hable ingles senor? |
[21:46:25] | EvilGuru: | justdave: Dang |
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[21:47:00] | gbee: | justinh: how many of them will be sold by the end of the day? |
[21:47:07] | squish102: | SHADOW__X any of them pci-e? do they work well? |
[21:47:22] | SHADOW__X: | 1800 pci e digital works fine |
[21:47:31] | SHADOW__X: | analog having issues within mythtv |
[21:47:37] | justinh: | looks like my only new year's resolution is going pear-shaped already. to not pay any more tax! |
[21:48:20] | ** poodyp wishes he had a £775 laptop ** | |
[21:48:21] | squish102: | i think i am going to take out the analog card and just have 2 digital |
[21:48:25] | Dagmar: | justinh: For 10,000/400, you'll be lucky to get all the vowels and more than a 1-color screen. |
[21:48:32] | Dagmar: | ...and yes, I do mean *one* color. |
[21:49:15] | justinh: | ruh? |
[21:49:27] | justinh: | £310,000 |
[21:50:06] | gbee: | for 400 laptops? |
[21:50:35] | justinh: | contracts & sundries too apparently |
[21:50:43] | justinh: | I'm in the wrong job again |
[21:50:46] | gbee: | someone saw them coming |
[21:51:01] | Dagmar: | Yay |
[21:51:08] | Dagmar: | I just sent a response to a spam back to a human |
[21:51:16] | Dagmar: | ...and I said *dreadful* things. |
[21:51:37] | gbee: | :D |
[21:51:39] | Dagmar: | I figured it was a spam-house so I put in my usual honorifics and pleasantries. |
[21:52:04] | Dagmar: | I just had to send back a response to the effect of "Let me begin by saying, *facepalm*" |
[21:52:34] | gbee: | most reply addresses on emails these days are harvested emails |
[21:53:11] | Dagmar: | Yeah I figured this was just another PR firm sending out spam for their ooutfit |
[21:53:13] | gbee: | half the 'spam' emails I get are just emails sent with my address as the sender being bounced from various mail servers |
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[22:10:02] | justinh: | damn ubunuts & its retina burning brightness auto-restoration |
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[22:17:18] | iamlindoro: | hmm, wish there was an easy way to spider through XML and pacakge only the referred-to files |
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[22:19:20] | gbee: | could be done with a custom script |
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[22:20:20] | iamlindoro: | yeah, don't wish that hard :) |
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[22:33:04] | poodyp: | so mythtv thinks my TV is 4:3, what do I have to change to tell it it's 16:9? |
[22:36:11] | gbee: | tv or appearance settings |
[22:37:07] | gbee: | it only thinks that since the resolution is closer to 4:3 than it is to 16:9 |
[22:39:58] | poodyp: | oops |
[22:40:28] | poodyp: | I messed up the xorg.conf and now it's running at 1024x768 >_< |
[22:40:53] | poodyp: | MythTV > Me |
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[23:04:46] | glitch003: | Hey, I just did a fresh install of mythbuntu 8.10 and when i run mythtv-setup I get the message that no uPnP backends are found, and then it won't login to the mysql server. do I have to create a mysql user for mythtv to use? |
[23:05:27] | iamlindoro: | Ask in #ubuntu-mythtv, but it should already have done all the database setup for you |
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[23:06:40] | glitch003: | yeah that's what i thought. thanks |
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[23:16:40] | yalu: | hi, I would like to check this: if you can't use the xmltv grabber, you need to configure a video source as "no grabber" in mythtv-setup. right? then, what is the best procedure: create the video source, quit mythtv-setup, run mythfilldatebase --file , and then set up input connections so mythtv can assiate the scanned channels with those from the video source? |
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[23:18:06] | laga: | create video source -> set up input connection -> quit mythtv-setup -> run mythfilldatabase --file |
[23:18:06] | laga: | but actually |
[23:18:09] | laga: | you will need to set up your channels |
[23:18:22] | laga: | either use the channel scanner or mythfilldatabase --manual --file if you're using analog |
[23:18:44] | yalu: | I have dvb. but I my rea |
[23:19:10] | yalu: | ugh. I reasoned: if you use xmltv, mythtv-setup does a "grab" before you proceed |
[23:19:55] | yalu: | if you use no grabber, you won't have no epg data to associate channels with |
[23:20:08] | laga: | yeah. |
[23:21:02] | yalu: | so I'll have to run mythfilldatabase right after adding a video source |
[23:21:17] | iamlindoro__: | If you're using proper DVB, just turn on EPG |
[23:21:25] | iamlindoro__: | er EIT |
[23:22:08] | iamlindoro__: | Instead of no listings source, set it to on-air listings source, scan for channels, wait a while while it populates, done |
[23:22:24] | iamlindoro__: | depending on the quality of your EIT data, that is |
[23:23:43] | yalu: | it makes the association process easier I would suppose. afaik the advantages of using xml was 1. longer period data 2. information like "this program is the same show as last week", which saves you from recording every single instance |
[23:24:27] | iamlindoro__: | Yep, don't get me wrong, I far prefer an actual listings source, just giving options if you are trying to make it "just work" |
[23:24:42] | iamlindoro__: | Since you asked "if you can't use the xmltv grabber" I assumed you meant you couldn't |
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[23:25:37] | yalu: | well, I use another grabber. one that downloads stuff from a microsoft server and dumps it in an xml file. |
[23:25:57] | yalu: | mc2xml |
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[23:28:32] | iamlindoro__: | So... don't they have MythTV instructions? |
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[23:30:53] | iamlindoro__: | If you were in the US I'd be angry at you, but I hear how hard it is to get TV listings in .be :) |
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[23:31:40] | yalu: | well there are various grabbers... but they depend on fetching information from web site |
[23:32:15] | iamlindoro__: | I believe the tv_grab_epg_eu (or whatever) script has working Belgium support |
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[23:32:32] | banyan: | hey, question about mythweb. I had mythweb running so that it would list the recordings in such a way that you could click on them and watch them remotely. Lately that's not working anymore. |
[23:33:04] | banyan: | I can only "delete" or "re-record", and it comes up without the frames, and it's really primitive looking compared to how it used to be. |
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[23:33:24] | banyan: | any ideas what has changed/broken? |
[23:34:27] | iamlindoro__: | screenshots would help |
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[23:35:58] | iamlindoro__: | sorta sounds like you've switched to the minimal mythweb skin |
[23:36:57] | iamlindoro__: | Which would be (in Mythweb) Settings->Mythweb->Curent Mythweb Template |
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[23:37:51] | yalu: | I'll have to mangle the xml file first, too... it has over 200 chans and mythfilldatabase --maual asks information about all of them |
[23:40:35] | yalu: | apparently chewing through a 26 MB xml file is hard. :-) |
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[23:50:08] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, also, fyi, in trunk the main page of all the templates have a reset link right there, for future reference |
[23:50:53] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Heh, guess I've revealed how bad I am at updating mythweb when I update the rest of trunk :) |
[23:51:23] | kormoc: | hehe |
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[23:58:35] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, now we're getting somewhere: http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB-actual4.png |
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[23:59:22] | iamlindoro: | Not too far off from the concept: http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB-fanart4.png |
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