| Thursday, January 1st, 2009, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:09] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Hard to find a color that works well, grey is easy |
| [00:00:17] | iamlindoro: | And I've had enough of blue |
| [00:00:43] | iamlindoro: | Yes, would like to see the banner stuff in there/possibly integrated with mythfilldatabase |
| [00:01:00] | iamlindoro: | or even the backend (ie schedule a show, attempt to immediately grab the banner |
| [00:02:01] | gbee: | grey is easy and you ony have to look at a lot of the popular MP/XBMC/Boxee skins to realise that it can look good |
| [00:02:11] | gbee: | it's fashionable in UIs right now :) |
| [00:02:12] | jduggan: | happy new year |
| [00:02:14] | jduggan: | :o |
| [00:02:21] | gbee: | jduggan: same to you |
| [00:02:23] | jduggan: | Thu Jan 1 00:02:35 GMT 2009 |
| [00:03:14] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB2.png Green could be okay |
| [00:03:15] | gbee: | iamlindoro: maybe the color needs to come from the banners etc, increase the alpha |
| [00:03:42] | gbee: | yeah I like green and there aren't enough green themes |
| [00:03:43] | iamlindoro: | gbee, yeah, you're right, will need to add a selector/alphapulse/etc. to the selected item to draw attention |
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| [00:05:02] | gbee: | what about green up top with a mid-dark grey at the bottom? |
| [00:05:31] | gbee: | sorry, I must stop theming by proxy, it's your theme, not mine ;) |
| [00:05:35] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, that looks nice |
| [00:05:44] | iamlindoro: | Naw, I like the suggestions given how often I'm at a loss |
| [00:06:53] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB3.png |
| [00:07:23] | iamlindoro: | I like :) |
| [00:08:15] | iamlindoro: | Think the blue alphapulsing |
| [00:08:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: that looks pretty good. A shadow on the text would finish it off... (can you shadow the icons too?) |
| [00:08:54] | iamlindoro: | You can shadow anything you like, but I don't like dropshadow at all |
| [00:09:36] | jpabq_: | iamlindoro: since 720p and 1080i are mutually exclusive, couldn't those two icon occupy the same "space"? |
| [00:09:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: I actually prefer an outlined font to give the letters better contrast. A slight shadow is the next best thing... |
| [00:10:06] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, I like it this way (and they can, it's up to the theme) |
| [00:10:37] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, Sort of a "not-lit-up LCD" effect |
| [00:11:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Oh, neato, I didn't see the highlight before... ;-) nice.... |
| [00:11:49] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, only added it in the last iteration |
| [00:12:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Yeah, I didn't see it when I first pulled up the 3rd image. ;-) Looks good! |
| [00:13:06] | iamlindoro: | We are gonna cause some RAM upgrades around here, I'll tell you what |
| [00:13:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Ram is cheap now, so it shouldn't be a big deal. |
| [00:13:55] | gbee: | iamlindoro: If only I could believe that every show I record would have that fan art :/ |
| [00:14:02] | iamlindoro: | Given how blootube used to tax some people cheapo systems :) |
| [00:14:03] | wylie: | just curious; is it still necessary to install the devicereaduffer-polltimeout.2.patch and mpegrecorder-hdpr-v2 patch in the latest svn for the hauppauge hd-pvr? |
| [00:14:09] | larzen: | i guess my xbmc-myth client problem had to do with the fact that a machine name gets sent across the myth protocol that needs to be resolved through dns.. and since I didnt have a DNS entry for my machine, myth protocol failed ;( |
| [00:14:25] | iamlindoro: | gbee, yeah, a fallback (even just a box of the same size with the textual name) would be essential |
| [00:15:17] | iamlindoro: | gbee, On the other had, there was one for "Earth: The biography" of all things, so you might be surprised |
| [00:15:22] | larzen: | ok.. one last thing.. I need to encode my shows using a h.264 rather than the regular encoder it uses.. does anyone have instructions on how to do this using myth? |
| [00:15:36] | jpabq_: | wylie: yup. Janneg has promised to review those patches soon, but they have not been committed yet. |
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| [00:17:17] | jpabq_: | wylie: those patches improve channel changes on the HD-PVR. They also make sure that the correct bitrate is selected for the recording. |
| [00:17:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: I think I'm going to wipe this test box and throw FC8 on it ... I can't get my tuners to work right in it... DOH! And KDE4 is a pain... |
| [00:18:12] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Whatever works, ya know |
| [00:18:45] | iamlindoro: | larzen, He said HD-PVR, not HVR |
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| [00:18:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: I'm just getting very flustrated... the tuners dont' even work in tvtime or kaffeine, and I know they're good... |
| [00:18:58] | iamlindoro: | different devices |
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| [00:19:10] | wylie: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . E16815116030 |
| [00:19:18] | wylie: | moved from mythtv channel |
| [00:19:39] | larzen: | wylie – how does this connect with the pc (i am personally curious) |
| [00:19:43] | larzen: | is it fw or usb2? |
| [00:19:48] | iamlindoro: | USB |
| [00:19:54] | wylie: | usb2; it was the 1212 |
| [00:20:18] | wylie: | there's quite a bit of detail on it for mythtv here http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HD-PVR |
| [00:20:22] | larzen: | im contemplating on buying an HD tuner .. not sure what is recommended |
| [00:20:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | larzen: What do you want to tune with it? |
| [00:20:47] | jpabq_: | larzen: for ATSC/QAM I highly recommend the HDhomerun. |
| [00:20:58] | wylie: | if you only care about HD public broadcasts like pbs, abc, nbc, etc, hdhomerun all the way |
| [00:21:11] | larzen: | ATSC = over the air HD? |
| [00:21:14] | ** J-e-f-f-A agrees with jpabq_ an wylie ** | |
| [00:21:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | yes |
| [00:21:20] | wylie: | atsc over the air or over the cable wire |
| [00:21:27] | larzen: | we dont have that here in canada :( |
| [00:21:29] | wylie: | you can do atsc off of basic cable in most places |
| [00:21:35] | iamlindoro: | ATSC is only OTA |
| [00:21:36] | jpabq_: | ATSC = OTA. QAM = cable. |
| [00:21:47] | larzen: | I only have QAM |
| [00:22:03] | wylie: | hdhomerun can do qam and atsc ota |
| [00:22:03] | iamlindoro: | but you *do* have ATSC in canada, btw |
| [00:22:12] | wylie: | :) |
| [00:22:14] | iamlindoro: | Just maybe not in your area |
| [00:22:21] | jpabq_: | larzen: problem with QAM is most cable companies encrypt the channels, so you don't get any more channels than you do OTA. |
| [00:22:30] | larzen: | well.. to be exact... I have a digital cable that goes to a motorola STB.. from there.. I dont think the motorola can emit a clean QAM signal.. its probably buggered. |
| [00:22:42] | iamlindoro: | No STB passes out a QAM signal |
| [00:22:55] | larzen: | iamlindoro . i knwo =( |
| [00:22:56] | jpabq_: | larzen: only two ways to get HD our of a STB --- the HD-PVR or firewire. |
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| [00:23:23] | larzen: | the hd-pvr meaning... ir blaster and a component connection/ |
| [00:23:37] | jpabq_: | larzen: right |
| [00:23:47] | larzen: | jpabq – what is the firewire method? |
| [00:24:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | larzen: and IR blasters aren't as bad as the're made out to be... I've been running 3 Dish receivers with them for years now... |
| [00:24:23] | wylie: | danielk22: "With a few caveats, the HD-PVR can now be expected to work reliably for scheduled recordings. " |
| [00:24:28] | gbee: | iamlindoro: I think you are onto something with that pbb design, it just needs refining |
| [00:24:37] | wylie: | dunno if that's true, but that's what the wiki is stating |
| [00:24:53] | jpabq_: | Firewire does NOT work in most places, because the cable company also encrypt it :( |
| [00:25:12] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Meh, it's all a work in progress :) |
| [00:25:44] | gbee: | will the banners be tiled, or a vertical list at the left? |
| [00:25:45] | wylie: | in phoenix, az with cox, i gave up on firewire... i used to get more then the basic ota lineup — but it was hit or miss and unreliable (in terms of staying online without needing a painful recycle to get output working again) |
| [00:25:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Yes, but "You are making much progress, no?" ;-) |
| [00:26:02] | jpabq_: | wylie: I have two HD-PVRs. I very rarely miss a recording with them. Daniel recently added a patch to the ticket which even fixes LiveTV channel changes where the input resolution changes. |
| [00:26:04] | iamlindoro: | gbee, I was thinking single columb, with the right side being episodes |
| [00:26:08] | iamlindoro: | er column |
| [00:26:21] | wylie: | jpabq_ awesome |
| [00:26:37] | gbee: | and I know it's work in progress, that the final thing might look completely different, I know that metallurgy turned out very different to my initial concepts |
| [00:26:39] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Although the grid layout would be neat, and match my gallery view |
| [00:26:40] | larzen: | jpabq – I dont understand why the cable companies would not emit a clear QAM signal and let the tuner change the channels.. |
| [00:26:44] | wylie: | i'm excited to get it — for the moment, i use a IR blaster and analog to catch my HBO recordings |
| [00:27:14] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Could put a very small (two to three item) episode scroller up top, and leave the bottom a tiles view to match MV gallery |
| [00:27:27] | jpabq_: | larzen: They claim it is because the broadcaster will not let them. I also believe they want to be able to charge people for their STBs. |
| [00:27:27] | larzen: | even if you take the regular case.. (no mythtv, no pc) .. you need to use that stupid box and receiver and their crap remote to change channels. |
| [00:27:32] | wylie: | jpabq_ so the forcing to 720p (when possible) is becoming a non-requirement — would that be an accurate comment? |
| [00:27:53] | larzen: | jpabq – i was thingking that too... but I dont think they make much on the STBs |
| [00:28:05] | jpabq_: | wylie: getting there. |
| [00:28:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | larzen: $10/month down here... |
| [00:28:24] | larzen: | J-e-f-f-A .. they dont let you own/ |
| [00:28:25] | larzen: | ? |
| [00:28:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | larzen: ... per pvr box, so they're making tons in the US... Nope! |
| [00:28:50] | iamlindoro: | wylie, Becoming, but not quite there yet |
| [00:29:06] | jpabq_: | wylie: you need a pretty powerful machine to playback HD-PVR 1080i high-bitrate, though. VDPAU will solve that, but it is got a way to go before it is reliable. |
| [00:29:13] | iamlindoro: | That requirement should be lifted in the next few days with any luck |
| [00:29:29] | gbee: | don't forget that cable boxes have the ability to phone home viewing habits which helps when attracting advertisers – whether US cable companies are doing this I don't know, but it's one reason they would want customers to use their STB |
| [00:29:50] | wylie: | great news — perfect timing — i usually come in way to early on devices, so a little struggle vs a lot of struggle is inviting. ;b |
| [00:30:07] | jpabq_: | wyle |
| [00:30:32] | jpabq_: | wyle, if you are a programmer, you are welcome to dive in with the HD-PVR and help improve it's support in Myth. |
| [00:31:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | wylie: But you need a recent nvidia card that supports VDPAU too... |
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| [00:32:53] | wylie: | my dev skills are a little limited, but i'm not helpless and will certainly add any help i can. which nvidia's support the vdpau? i've got nVidia Corporation G71 [GeForce 7300 GS] (rev a1) on my primary frontend (family room lcd) and NV18GL [Quadro4 380 XGL] (rev a2) (which probably doesn't) on another frontend |
| [00:33:08] | C-P: | Anyone successfully replace use of mythbrowser with iceweasel? |
| [00:33:20] | jpabq_: | My E8600 overclocked to 3.6GHz can just barely play HD-PVR 1080i at high bitrate — without VDPAU that is. |
| [00:34:02] | gbee: | jpabq_: what bitrate are we talking here? |
| [00:34:09] | iamlindoro: | gbee, 13.5 Mbit |
| [00:34:17] | jpabq_: | ^^^^ right |
| [00:34:29] | gbee: | but it's single sliced? |
| [00:34:32] | iamlindoro: | Anyone replace their engine with a mechanism that runs on fairy dust and happy thoughts? |
| [00:34:34] | iamlindoro: | gbee, yep |
| [00:34:57] | gbee: | ok, I couldn't quite remember the detail |
| [00:35:15] | iamlindoro: | C-P, Mythbrowser isn't just a swap-out component, it's tightly integrated, you can't just dump in another browser |
| [00:35:59] | larzen: | hmm.. i am surprised no one has hacked the DCTs to emit a clear QAM |
| [00:36:34] | iamlindoro: | larzen, They don't possess QAM modulators, how in the world could it emit QAM? |
| [00:36:41] | gbee: | iamlindoro: actually you can I thought? but I wouldn't recommend it and especially not in the forthcoming 0.22 where we really do properly integrate webkit |
| [00:36:57] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Maybe I'm only thinking of trunk |
| [00:37:12] | larzen: | iamlindoro – i thought QAM was a standard that most adhere to.. isn't that what the tuner on most modern tvs uses? |
| [00:37:35] | iamlindoro: | larzen, But the *output* is modulated RF, not QAM |
| [00:37:44] | wylie: | ah, just found the VDPAU reference http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/VDPAU |
| [00:37:57] | iamlindoro: | it takes a QAM input, it would take QAM modulation hardware to *output* it |
| [00:38:35] | iamlindoro: | Which is many thousands of dollars in equipment that STB for obvious reasons lack/do not need |
| [00:38:48] | C-P: | iamlindoro, I see, I'm just looking at the documentation which says its "possible" |
| [00:39:01] | C-P: | at this point, I'm just trying to get iceweasel to run in X |
| [00:39:08] | larzen: | iamlindoro – im not sure i follow.. so modulated RF is what the tv accepts? |
| [00:39:17] | C-P: | but it just quits, we where able to get epiphany running in x though |
| [00:39:42] | iamlindoro: | larzen, TVs accept RF, and some of them QAM. STBs have QAM *tuning* hardware, but do not have QAM nodulators to pass QAM out, that's thousands in equipment |
| [00:39:56] | iamlindoro: | larzen, There is no hardware in a STB capable of "passing on" a QAM signal |
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| [00:40:28] | iamlindoro: | STB outputs are all analog (the coaxial output is RF, not QAM) and protected digital paths like HDMI |
| [00:40:32] | jpabq_: | wylie: VDPAU works well for mpeg2 up to 1080i. for HD-PVR H.264, it works well up to 720p, but occasionally freaks out with 1080i. |
| [00:41:04] | larzen: | iamlindoro – i see. so component video and an ir blaster for me ;( |
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| [00:41:27] | jpabq_: | wylie: but I am using a IGP 9400 solution. Dedicated graphics cards may work better.... |
| [00:41:34] | larzen: | then the box's nasty OSD comes up on the recording too |
| [00:41:59] | gbee: | they might stream the decoded transport streams though or at a higher level the DVB-C (or whatever they use), but that's where firewire steps in |
| [00:42:54] | gbee: | jpabq_: 720p HDPVR sample that someone gave me doesn't work with vdpau |
| [00:43:14] | gbee: | but that could just be something about that particular sample |
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| [00:44:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | larzen: osd? If controlled by Myth, that would be minimal at the start of the recording... and usually the channel-change script can be adjusted to cancel it before the recording actually starts. |
| [00:44:58] | rooaus: | C-P: Rather than replacing mythbrowser you could just add an EXEC menu option for iceweasel, not sure if this does exactly what you want but I don't remember being able to change the browser launched by the bookmark manager etc. |
| [00:45:46] | gbee: | rooaus: you can AFAIK, and I've just checked that at least in trunk you still can |
| [00:46:11] | C-P: | right, that would be direction Im trying to head |
| [00:46:27] | C-P: | but at this point, I cant even launch iceweasal from a shell |
| [00:46:47] | C-P: | DISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/iceweasel just quits, no error, or process start in top |
| [00:47:02] | jpabq_: | gbee: composite enabled? |
| [00:47:02] | C-P: | we succesfully launched a few other browsers with this method |
| [00:47:13] | C-P: | so I think I need to look at my iceweasel install |
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| [00:48:39] | wylie: | looks like i'll also be buying a supported GPU. ;) |
| [00:49:11] | gbee: | jpabq_: offhand I can't remember, I doubt it though, all other h.264 play albeit with varying degrees of success |
| [00:50:05] | gbee: | at least until today when I noticed that vdpau wasn't able to play any h.264 anymore (which could be because I upgraded to 180.18 a couple of days ago) |
| [00:50:16] | jpabq_: | gbee: historically, I have always made sure composite was disabled, because it had a negative impact. I have decided that it is necessary to turn it on for VDPAU. |
| [00:50:25] | iamlindoro: | I think 180.18 has had a few nasty regressions |
| [00:50:47] | iamlindoro: | frames out of order bug seems to have returned, a few more refusals to play files |
| [00:51:17] | jpabq_: | 180.18 actually works better for me -------- however, it coincided with me figuring out that composite had to be enabled, so....... |
| [00:51:38] | jpabq_: | Visual display quality of 180.18 is worse. |
| [00:52:10] | gbee: | any way to tell if it's enabled? It's not explicitly enabled/disabled in my xorg config but I'm not sure whether it defaults on or off |
| [00:52:31] | jpabq_: | Don't know. |
| [00:53:23] | gbee: | NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and Composite X extensions is enabled. |
| [00:53:48] | gbee: | no idea whether that also means that the extensions are loaded by X, but it's the only reference in the x log |
| [00:54:09] | jpabq_: | gbee: I have http://rafb.net/p/4g1gTc15.html in my xorg.conf |
| [00:54:24] | iamlindoro: | Defaults to on |
| [00:54:30] | iamlindoro: | needs to be explicitly turned off |
| [00:55:17] | gbee: | k, so it should be enabled then |
| [00:55:34] | gbee: | I'll restart X though, might help in some way |
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| [00:58:14] | gbee: | well that was simple, h.264 is working again |
| [00:58:22] | gbee: | lot of fuss about nothing |
| [00:59:16] | justinh: | iamlindoro: oi! overscan ;-) |
| [00:59:36] | iamlindoro: | justinh, To hell with overscan |
| [00:59:56] | iamlindoro: | I'm starting the justinh school of "suck it" early |
| [01:00:25] | justinh: | seriously now. can you read the description from where you sit with your big screen? |
| [01:00:32] | gbee: | justinh: I have to agree with iamlindoro on this, these days I can't be bothered wasting 5% of the screen area |
| [01:00:33] | iamlindoro: | Yes |
| [01:00:52] | justinh: | heh. not an old folks' friendly theme then |
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| [01:01:34] | gbee: | there are ways to fix overscan or compensate by scaling the myth window, that's good enough for me |
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| [01:03:04] | justinh: | hucking fell Martha Reeves sounds like she had her voice replaced by somebody pulling nails down a blackboard |
| [01:03:40] | justinh: | off with that I think |
| [01:04:08] | ** iamlindoro wonders why inkscape can produce such a nice export of the whole screen but not of an icon ** | |
| [01:04:24] | justinh: | iamlindoro: small icons are best done big & scaled down |
| [01:04:36] | iamlindoro: | So I'm finding |
| [01:04:41] | justinh: | and in some cases like 16x16 favicons, done in a bitmap editor |
| [01:04:56] | iamlindoro: | interestingly when they're small in the context of the whole page, even at the same res, they look phenominal |
| [01:05:08] | iamlindoro: | but try to export just that one as a PNG... urk |
| [01:05:16] | gbee: | yeah, it's bizarre |
| [01:05:44] | justinh: | well, time for bed. happy new year all |
| [01:05:49] | gbee: | same to you |
| [01:05:51] | iamlindoro: | happy new year |
| [01:06:28] | gbee: | and bed for me too, a nice warm bed |
| [01:08:26] | rooaus: | happy new year |
| [01:10:17] | rooaus: | C-P: Is $HOME set and writable? Otherwise, good luck ;) |
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| [01:20:21] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB-rescale.png |
| [01:20:26] | iamlindoro: | That's a big nicer, then |
| [01:20:28] | iamlindoro: | er bit |
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| [01:38:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: ooh, very nice. ;-) |
| [01:38:53] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, I'm not in love with the right two columns, but once the PBB MythUI port is done I'll have an easier time playing with it |
| [01:39:03] | iamlindoro: | I like all the rest, though |
| [01:39:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Yeah, I know it's a WIP... but coming along very nicely. |
| [01:39:58] | iamlindoro: | Better than GANT, at least, I can say that honestly |
| [01:43:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | Much better, my friend. ;-) |
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| [01:46:11] | whoDat: | hmm, why would my lineups have disappeared on schedulesdirect? |
| [01:46:13] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, One tiny change just now, reload. It helps, though |
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| [01:51:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: that looks better. ;-) |
| [01:55:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: How would it look with the labels just under the green bar, at the top of the column? |
| [01:59:48] | jpabq_: | iamlindoro: has gbee mentioned any progress towards pbb being committed? The legacy pbb now does not honor the preview window, as far as drawing the program description — the text goes behind the preview instead of wrapping around it. |
| [02:00:25] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, I know that he's grown a bit tired of working on it, and just needs to find the motivation to get back to it. I think we'll see it soon. |
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| [02:03:02] | jpabq_: | Playback no longer honors the the timestretch value defined in the playback profile, either. |
| [02:03:46] | iamlindoro: | That may be something to ping daniel about |
| [02:04:08] | iamlindoro: | I have a few video samples that crash the frontend with "Illegal Instruction" since the -vid merge, I need to see if he wants them |
| [02:07:25] | jpabq_: | Hey, at least that sound consistent. Most of my playback segfaults are non-reproducable. |
| [02:11:38] | iamlindoro: | yeah, it's consistent |
| [02:11:47] | Anduin: | jpabq_: gbee was saying sometime this week for pbb |
| [02:11:47] | iamlindoro: | Just a little apple trailer, too, nothing fancy |
| [02:12:20] | Anduin: | jpabq_: I don't know when ts default failed exactly but it broke with the -vid merge |
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| [02:13:42] | Lexridge: | Happy New Year everyone. |
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| [02:30:15] | larzen: | does anyone have any examples on how to get mythtv to encode in h.264 ? rather than its current format. Ideally it removes commercials. |
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| [02:33:39] | Anduin: | larzen: transcode? or encode as in record it that way? |
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| [02:34:49] | larzen: | Anduin – yes.. |
| [02:35:22] | larzen: | record in h.264 format rather than in .nuv |
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| [02:38:08] | Anduin: | larzen: There isn't a way (other than HDPVR, hardware, still being worked on) |
| [02:38:32] | larzen: | Anduin – it does't need to be in hd |
| [02:39:00] | Anduin: | still doesn't change the answer |
| [02:39:11] | GreyFoxx: | And just to be clear, h264 is a codec (think xvid) , nuv is a container (think avi) |
| [02:39:32] | larzen: | I just need to somehow figure out how to get myth to use mencoder to encode... i can figure out the rest |
| [02:39:42] | larzen: | and yes, I'd prefer the h.264 encoded avi container |
| [02:39:52] | larzen: | although .nuv is just fine. |
| [02:39:58] | GreyFoxx: | well, if you are gonna use h264, use mkv |
| [02:40:03] | GreyFoxx: | avi'sreally kinda suck |
| [02:40:22] | GreyFoxx: | but you could setup a custom user job to be executed after a recording finishes |
| [02:40:32] | GreyFoxx: | that script could call any commands you want to transcode |
| [02:40:35] | larzen: | GreyFoxx – thats exactly what I don't know how to do ;) |
| [02:40:51] | larzen: | i was wondering if there are any examples anywhere... |
| [02:40:58] | GreyFoxx: | Myth will not do it for you |
| [02:40:59] | larzen: | i think I also need to mod the db to rewrite the file name, etc.. |
| [02:41:13] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, 1 db update :) |
| [02:41:37] | GreyFoxx: | and then call mythcomflg to rebuild the seek table for the new file |
| [02:41:47] | GreyFoxx: | honestly it's maybe 10 lines in a shell script |
| [02:41:55] | larzen: | GreyFoxx – I am sure someone must have done it.. |
| [02:43:24] | larzen: | i would rather take an existing script and adopt it rather than going through the whole thing myself. ;) |
| [02:43:44] | larzen: | but.. if i must.. then the first thing i need to know.. is how the heck do I pass the name of the recorded file to the script ;) |
| [02:43:57] | larzen: | there must be some sort of a flag %filename or something.. |
| [02:44:06] | larzen: | in the user job command line |
| [02:44:36] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Job_Queue |
| [02:44:50] | GreyFoxx: | at the bottom are the variables availale when constructing the commandline |
| [02:45:11] | GreyFoxx: | %VARNAME% I think |
| [02:45:13] | larzen: | yess!.. btw have you done it? |
| [02:45:33] | GreyFoxx: | I've called custom scripts, but not for transcoding purposes |
| [02:46:13] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Jobs That\s likely a better place to look |
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| [02:47:24] | larzen: | GreyFoxx – perfect! thank you |
| [02:55:05] | jpabq_: | Anduin: thanks. |
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| [03:19:47] | Lexridge: | Does anyone know the bandwidth of a single HD component channel x 3 (Y-Pb-Pr)? I'm coming up with 40mhz, but is that per channel, or a total of the three? |
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| [03:24:12] | iamlindoro__: | It's more than that |
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| [03:24:40] | iamlindoro__: | Component will carry 1080p, so figure a few gigabit across three cables-- where 6 Mhz = 39 Mbit, you do the math |
| [03:25:02] | iamlindoro__: | Most component cables are rated to 100 Mhz IIRC |
| [03:27:45] | iamlindoro__: | So very roughly speaking in the low 600 Mbits per cable |
| [03:28:15] | Lexridge: | so roughly 65mhz then. |
| [03:28:26] | Lexridge: | per channel that is |
| [03:28:27] | iamlindoro__: | "Most component cables are rated to 100 Mhz IIRC" |
| [03:28:35] | iamlindoro__: | now, 100 Mhz per cable |
| [03:28:38] | iamlindoro__: | er no |
| [03:28:51] | Lexridge: | yes, but just because the cable is rated for it, does not mean it needs it all. |
| [03:29:01] | iamlindoro__: | It does if you are passing 1080p |
| [03:29:15] | iamlindoro__: | depends entirely on what you hope to squeeze in it |
| [03:29:29] | Lexridge: | okay. 1080p is not even being considered atm. |
| [03:29:31] | iamlindoro__: | If you are doing 1080p material, you need the full 100 Mhz |
| [03:30:03] | Lexridge: | so 65mhz MIGHT do it for 720p or 1080i |
| [03:30:07] | Lexridge: | ? |
| [03:31:04] | iamlindoro__: | That's about 430-something Mbit, I don't think that will be enough |
| [03:31:53] | Lexridge: | humm. Okay. :( |
| [03:32:37] | iamlindoro__: | well, per channel it would be fine |
| [03:32:50] | iamlindoro__: | as it'd be 430 x 3, that should be more than enough |
| [03:32:56] | Lexridge: | that is what I meant...per channel |
| [03:33:06] | iamlindoro__: | I got confused because I started to think we were talking one cable |
| [03:33:39] | iamlindoro__: | For 1080p you need the 100 Mhz x 3 (or close to it) but for 720 you would probably be just fine w/ 65 Mhz cable |
| [03:33:55] | iamlindoro__: | (x 3) |
| [03:34:44] | iamlindoro__: | And you're pushing close the the same pixels w/ 1080i so that should be fine too |
| [03:35:29] | Lexridge: | humm, that opens up some possibilities. :) |
| [03:36:03] | iamlindoro__: | The reality is it's not the cables that limit it to the 65 Mhz, but the connectors as I recall |
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| [03:36:26] | iamlindoro__: | the cable itself with non-RCA connectors will do a lot more if memory serves |
| [03:36:44] | iamlindoro__: | (thus the use of BNC connections in high end applications) |
| [03:37:52] | Lexridge: | Actually, I'm trying to figure out a way to cheaply transmit each seperate componet channel wirelessly, on it's own subchannel. |
| [03:38:34] | iamlindoro__: | You might be better served going with one of the existing products that will do all that work for you |
| [03:39:08] | Lexridge: | I didn't know they yet existed for consumers. |
| [03:39:17] | iamlindoro__: | Yep |
| [03:39:30] | Lexridge: | The only ones I have found on a google search have been $15k broadcast units. |
| [03:39:42] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.hdtvsupply.com/wihdexseupto.html |
| [03:40:05] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/w . . . takes-flight |
| [03:40:11] | Lexridge: | nice....but $900 is a bit steep still. |
| [03:40:23] | iamlindoro__: | second article covers multiple players |
| [03:40:38] | Lexridge: | yea, looking at it now |
| [03:40:41] | iamlindoro__: | all right around $800ish |
| [03:40:56] | iamlindoro__: | You'll likely spend more than that rigging up your own solution, but to each his own |
| [03:41:09] | Lexridge: | That will come down as demand for it rises. Guess I'll just have to wait. |
| [03:42:35] | Lexridge: | What is the bandwidth of a single channel composite wireless video sender? 600mhz? |
| [03:43:10] | Lexridge: | assuming the sender is using one channel in the 2.4ghz band |
| [03:43:26] | iamlindoro__: | 600 Mhz??? Is that a typo? |
| [03:43:38] | Lexridge: | doh, 60mhz is what I meant |
| [03:43:54] | iamlindoro__: | I think it's far less than that, 2.4 Ghz channels are fractions of Mhz |
| [03:44:20] | Lexridge: | probably 5.8mhz actually. |
| [03:44:24] | iamlindoro__: | Right around a quarter Mhz |
| [03:44:32] | iamlindoro__: | Nope |
| [03:44:47] | Lexridge: | it would have to be enough to carry the 5.8mhz subcarrier frequency, would it not? |
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| [03:45:41] | iamlindoro__: | The whole worldwide licensed band for 2.4 Ghz is only 85 Mhz, they aren't devoting 6 Mhz to that |
| [03:46:34] | Lexridge: | I suspect then they are doing some type of compression on it. |
| [03:46:38] | iamlindoro__: | I stand corrected, it looks like it is 5 Mhz |
| [03:47:04] | Lexridge: | okay, a *little* compression ;) |
| [03:47:28] | Lexridge: | probably just compressing the colorburst signal. |
| [03:48:18] | Lexridge: | still not even close enough to carry a single channel of component, however. :( |
| [03:49:19] | iamlindoro__: | All the manufactured stuff uses UWB I think |
| [03:50:17] | iamlindoro__: | Where the should have bandwidth to spare, that's in the hundreds of Mhz |
| [03:50:23] | iamlindoro__: | they |
| [03:50:27] | Lexridge: | UWB? Is that the UHF stuff? I have a wireless guitar rig I think is UWB. |
| [03:50:39] | iamlindoro__: | Ultra Wide Band |
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| [03:52:01] | Solaris444: | Hi guys, has anyone encountered the internal video player giving the wrong total video time when trying to play back a video from the media library? |
| [03:52:05] | iamlindoro__: | I think it's a fairly broadly used term, but in this case meaning the semi-marketing term for high bandwidth low distance wireless equipment |
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| [03:52:45] | Lexridge: | what about the new frequencies that just opened up. The ones between the TV frequencies? That stuff will most likely go to pro audio however. |
| [03:52:58] | Solaris444: | For example, I have a video that is 1:23 (approx) and the mythtv internal player gives its total length as 0:33 (approx) |
| [03:53:21] | iamlindoro__: | I just don't know of any equipment being built for your purpose in that space, only stuff I know of it the UWB Wireless HDMI/component stuff |
| [03:53:49] | iamlindoro__: | Solaris444: That is generally because the container of your media is reporting incorrect information |
| [03:54:17] | Lexridge: | np. Those links looked impressive. Wireless HDMI would be sweet! I'll wait for the cost to come down first, and perhaps buy me a HDPVR in the meantime. :) |
| [03:54:53] | iamlindoro__: | If the container reports 25 FPS and myth sees 150 frames, it deduces that your stuff is six seconds long. If your media then has individual streams that don't match that... well, myth will play them right, but it (rightly) trusts the container to report that information accurately |
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| [03:55:44] | Solaris444: | hmmm, right. so if the container was produced by mythtv using perfect dvd rip? |
| [03:56:02] | Solaris444: | well... mtd at least. |
| [03:56:11] | Solaris444: | would that count as a bug? |
| [03:56:14] | iamlindoro__: | Perfect DVD rip is just a copy of the VOB, it's not producing anything |
| [03:56:23] | iamlindoro__: | Just means your VOB reports the wrong value |
| [03:56:29] | iamlindoro__: | Myth didn't create the container at all |
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| [03:57:40] | Solaris444: | interesting. so basically the problem lies with the dvd itself? |
| [03:57:42] | iamlindoro__: | Myth/mtd would only create containers on excellent and lower quality rips, as perfect and ISO are copies, not transcodes |
| [03:57:53] | iamlindoro__: | yep |
| [03:58:05] | Solaris444: | right. so if i transcode i get a new container and the problem might go away? |
| [03:58:22] | iamlindoro__: | It might, but you may not even need to transcode, I would start with a stream copy |
| [03:58:45] | iamlindoro__: | ffmpeg -i infile.vob -acodec copy -vcodec copy outfile.vob |
| [03:58:55] | iamlindoro__: | May or may not fix your seeking/timestamp woes |
| [03:59:04] | iamlindoro__: | and if it does, you didn't transcode/lose quality |
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| [03:59:50] | Solaris444: | right. thankyou. That command you gave me. How does that differ from the regular mtd "perfect" rip? |
| [04:00:06] | iamlindoro__: | a perfect rip isn't a stream copy, it's a file copy |
| [04:00:35] | iamlindoro__: | a stream copy opens the source file, creates an empty, new container, and streams the individual streams from the input file into the new container in the output one |
| [04:00:42] | Solaris444: | ahhh gotcha! |
| [04:00:50] | iamlindoro__: | like pouring a pitcher of water into an empty one |
| [04:00:55] | iamlindoro__: | Same water, new container |
| [04:00:58] | Solaris444: | right! |
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| [04:01:01] | Solaris444: | clever. |
| [04:01:21] | Solaris444: | incidentally, any idea what's happening with the imdb poster fetch bug? |
| [04:01:38] | iamlindoro__: | imdb is no longer a part of myth, so all bug reports for it will be cosed |
| [04:01:43] | iamlindoro__: | er closed |
| [04:01:43] | clever: | what? |
| [04:01:58] | iamlindoro__: | clever: You run trunk you ought to know this |
| [04:02:16] | clever: | know what? |
| [04:02:26] | iamlindoro__: | Solaris444: the imdb grabber has been repaced with the "themoviedb" (tmdb) grabber |
| [04:02:35] | iamlindoro__: | clever: that the imdb script is no longer a part of myth |
| [04:02:54] | clever: | i dont use the imdb script |
| [04:03:08] | iamlindoro__: | So why did you say "what?" |
| [04:03:14] | Lexridge: | lol |
| [04:03:17] | Solaris444: | ah i had heard something about that. iamlindoro: has that fix reached the stable release yet? |
| [04:03:26] | clever: | iamlindoro__: because he said my name:P |
| [04:03:47] | iamlindoro__: | clever: When people use the word "clever" related to you, it's facetious. |
| [04:03:55] | iamlindoro__: | He meant it as the actual adjective. |
| [04:04:01] | Lexridge: | lol |
| [04:04:03] | clever: | :P |
| [04:04:04] | Solaris444: | lol whoops! sorry about that man! |
| [04:04:53] | Lexridge: | anyone watching this idiot about jump his motorcycle between buildings in Las Vegas (ESPN) |
| [04:04:54] | iamlindoro__: | Solaris444: No, I don't think -fixes has it-- it's a drop-in replacement, though, you can take it from the source, drop it in to your scripts dir, change the command in settings, and go |
| [04:05:21] | iamlindoro__: | Solaris444: It's still got some growing up to do, though, the script is a bit buggy and the choices aren't as broad as imdb... it's coming along, though |
| [04:06:07] | Solaris444: | cheers. well i'll wait on that one since it's really a cosmetic thing. I'll give the other command a shot and hopefully it'll fix my container issues. |
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| [04:08:47] | Lexridge: | I've got a strange issue: Every 7 secs or so, I get a wide (1" on a 24"WS) *interlace* bar in myth that starts in the middle of the screen, and rises to the top. Any ideas on that? |
| [04:09:39] | Lexridge: | nvidia GF6800 video card. It does not appear to record this however, so it must be something within the nvidia driver perhaps. |
| [04:10:06] | iamlindoro__: | You want to make sure vsync to blank is on in your driver config |
| [04:10:11] | iamlindoro__: | it is indeed driver related |
| [04:10:27] | iamlindoro__: | find the vsync to blank setting in nvidia-settings and make sure it's on |
| [04:10:41] | iamlindoro__: | you can also try the opengl vsync option in myth if you compiled it in |
| [04:10:47] | Lexridge: | found it and turned it on. Now I guess I have to restart X |
| [04:11:07] | Lexridge: | which is better...driver level or myth level? |
| [04:11:25] | iamlindoro: | Don't think it matters so long as one or the other solves your problems |
| [04:11:51] | Lexridge: | so should I turn both vblank texture and Blitter on? |
| [04:12:17] | iamlindoro: | All you should need is the vsync to blank option |
| [04:12:27] | Lexridge: | okay |
| [04:12:40] | Lexridge: | restarting X |
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| [04:12:43] | iamlindoro: | that may exist in both Xv and opengl settings |
| [04:12:49] | iamlindoro: | gah, there's that reboot |
| [04:12:57] | iamlindoro: | oh well, hope he turn them both on |
| [04:13:01] | iamlindoro: | turned |
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| [04:24:57] | Lexridge: | seems to have worked! :) No more scanning visable. thanks. |
| [04:27:37] | Lexridge: | it also improved the video quality substantially! |
| [04:31:31] | Solaris444: | sweet man. good stuff. |
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| [06:10:25] | Solaris444: | damn, mtd seems to keep encountering read errors and failing for some reason. |
| [06:10:37] | Solaris444: | I've tried 2 different dvd drives with no luck. |
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| [06:44:27] | Anduin: | Solaris444: it is probably the DVD, mtd is useless for DVDs that have certain features |
| [06:44:28] | mfwitten: | Hello. I'm sure this is often asked, so sorry for the redundancy. Because ATSC has HDTV transmitted as MPEG2, I should be able to receive and store OTA HDTV channels with almost no CPU usage correct? Only playback would use the CPU |
| [06:44:50] | Anduin: | mfwitten: correct |
| [06:44:57] | mfwitten: | Well that's pretty nice! |
| [06:45:10] | mfwitten: | I so suppose the downside is that mpeg2 is pretty large compared to, say, h.264? |
| [06:45:14] | Anduin: | not much nicer than the ivtv stuff but looks a lot better |
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| [06:45:33] | Solaris444: | Anduin: dvds such as? |
| [06:45:38] | Anduin: | luckily disk space is something close to free |
| [06:45:44] | Solaris444: | I mean, it seems to work sometimes and then fail others. |
| [06:45:54] | Anduin: | Solaris444: on the same DVD? |
| [06:45:59] | Solaris444: | yes. |
| [06:46:21] | Solaris444: | i ripped star trek first contact this morning and it did a perfect dvd rip, but the video length was detected incorrectly. |
| [06:46:24] | nikosapi: | hello, is it possible to make mythtranscode deinterlace the video that it's re-encoding? |
| [06:46:29] | Solaris444: | so i deleted the video and tried to rerip. |
| [06:46:34] | Solaris444: | but it has failed every time since. |
| [06:46:35] | Anduin: | Solaris444: it should be mostly consistent but there are features on modern DVDs that make the way mtd works, well not |
| [06:46:51] | mfwitten: | Anduin: How come it would look a lot better than the ivtv stuff? It's a recompression basically? |
| [06:46:59] | Solaris444: | yes, but this has happened on all kinds of dvds, old and new. |
| [06:47:14] | Solaris444: | plus i know someone who has the exact same drive and no trouble at all. |
| [06:47:26] | Anduin: | mfwitten: just the higer resolution and the lack of an extra analog->digital conversion |
| [06:48:11] | mfwitten: | Anduin: I assume you're speaking about capturing old analog signals then |
| [06:48:16] | mfwitten: | SDTV |
| [06:48:28] | Anduin: | mfwitten: Yeah |
| [06:48:50] | Anduin: | mfwitten: was just saying that most of us never endured high CPU use to encode |
| [06:49:01] | mfwitten: | right right |
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| [06:54:21] | Solaris444: | Anduin, i'll have to see what i can do about ripping. |
| [06:54:27] | Solaris444: | hopefully it will start working again... |
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| [08:05:36] | mfwitten: | Is there a good source of ATSC mpeg2 example files I can try out? |
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| [08:17:34] | RyeBrye_: | how consistent does the speed of the link between the backend and frontend need to be for proper playback of recordings? The reason I ask is because I'm testing my link to an 802.11n device in the room where I'm going to have my remote frontend – and it's getting as high as 6 MB/sec for sustained periods – but occasionally it drops down to in the < 400KB/sec – 18 megabit recordings will require 2.2 MBsec – but I'm wondering if Myth prebuffers eno |
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| [08:32:36] | mfwitten: | RyeBrye_: This looks pertinent: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.18 |
| [08:33:06] | laga: | morning |
| [08:33:16] | mfwitten: | mornin' |
| [08:33:47] | laga: | RyeBrye_: i remember reading about some guy on the mailing list who hacked myth to increase the buffer size |
| [08:34:53] | mfwitten: | What's the main purpose between having such a backend and frontend? Making things quieter, record one thing while watching another (CPU availability)? |
| [08:35:17] | RyeBrye_: | Having a frontend upstairs on a different TV |
| [08:36:05] | i_is_cat: | mfwitten, one reason is huge amounts of storage in a big box in a closet somewhere and a small little box next to your tv to do everything |
| [08:36:14] | RyeBrye_: | laga: Hm. I'd hack my router to fix the network first I think... (i.e. bigger antennas / different settings) – but that's an idea. I haven't tested it yet... I can get a 60 Mbps link – which is obviously plenty for an 18 Mbps ATSC signal ... but when the signal drops down to <10 Mbps is when I'm wondering if it will stutter |
| [08:36:25] | mfwitten: | i_is_cat: good point |
| [08:36:25] | laga: | RyeBrye_: test it? :) |
| [08:36:31] | RyeBrye_: | Yeah, I'm going to test it |
| [08:37:00] | RyeBrye_: | I can't really run wires up to that location easily, so I'll just throw more money at wireless hardware until I get a stable link :) |
| [08:37:04] | mfwitten: | RyeBrye_: Are you using a remote control or just keyboard/mouse? |
| [08:37:11] | RyeBrye_: | mfwitten: remote controls |
| [08:37:41] | i_is_cat: | my stupid gigabyte remote wont record properly and theres no gigabyte remote listed anywhere *sigh* |
| [08:37:49] | mfwitten: | RyeBrye_: You have lirc setup on the frontend box? |
| [08:38:22] | RyeBrye_: | mfwitten: I don't have the frontend box built entirely yet – but I will set up lirc on it. I'm going to steal parts from my older backend / frontend box that was retired – so I'll have a working LIRC serial |
| [08:39:19] | mfwitten: | So before you had just one machine doing everything, or you had lirc setup on a separate box as before? How exactly does that work? The frontend interprets and then makes network requests and so on? |
| [08:40:22] | RyeBrye_: | lirc on the frontend is basically the same as a keyboard on the frontend as far as myth is concerned |
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| [08:41:24] | mfwitten: | ok |
| [08:41:24] | RyeBrye_: | the keyboard signals dont' go over the network – just the things myth sends over the network to request recordings to be streamed to it or data to populate the view... and the same kind of stuff happens if you run them both on the same machine (backend and frontend) – the network path is obviously much shorter since it doesn't have to leave the machine |
| [08:41:29] | mfwitten: | right |
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| [08:45:51] | mfwitten: | Is a USB 2.0 hard disk fast enough? |
| [08:46:14] | mfwitten: | (forgive my ignorance) |
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| [09:06:15] | cesman: | mfwitten: yes, it is |
| [09:07:51] | mfwitten: | great |
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| [10:10:45] | poodyp: | yay for firewire randomly working and not working |
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| [10:47:23] | justinh: | yay for yet another New Year where I managed to avoid Auld Lang Syne & the noise of bagpipes :D |
| [10:47:40] | poodyp: | lol |
| [10:47:44] | poodyp: | we sang that |
| [10:48:01] | poodyp: | and blew up like 50 poppers |
| [10:48:27] | justinh: | you should've blown up whoever started singing that |
| [10:49:54] | justinh: | least you didn't have to hear bagpipes :) |
| [10:50:29] | justinh: | btw if you hate Auld Lang Syne & other NYE traditions like bagpipes, spend NYE in Dublin |
| [10:59:45] | waxhead: | didn't do that here... played buzz until midnight and then watched $5mill go up in smoke, noice and light... |
| [10:59:48] | waxhead: | s/noice/noise/ |
| [11:10:54] | laga: | happy new year and stuff |
| [11:18:22] | justinh: | yup. and stuff :) |
| [11:22:30] | justinh: | gbee: got to thinking about the overscan issue & realised.. wtf did I bother to do the whole moving arrows around thing for if it wasn't my intention to do away with overscan allowance in themes once & for all? :) |
| [11:23:06] | gbee: | :) |
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| [11:48:42] | gbee: | iamlindoro: your grass has given me an idea, a category statetype |
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| [11:58:47] | test1: | hi |
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| [11:59:52] | test1: | does someone has installed the virtual freebox (fr) and can help me in this ? link tuto welcome . |
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| [12:06:27] | test1: | please, help with http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/1704/freebox.readme |
| [12:06:44] | laga: | can you ask a real question? |
| [12:07:01] | test1: | how can i install this virtual free box .. ? |
| [12:08:11] | test1: | (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FreeBox) |
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| [12:09:02] | test1: | .. no comprendo .. |
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| [12:12:31] | ** justinh pats his ignore list ** | |
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| [12:18:04] | test1: | laga: please, i have this ticket http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/1704/freebox.readme that is explainig me how to do .. but i don't know where to write this code .. |
| [12:18:42] | test1: | (hi justinh, .. sry if i'm the one who's disturbing..) |
| [12:20:22] | laga: | sorry, i can't teach you the basics of shell scripts right now.. maybe you should read up on bash or sh-like shells |
| [12:20:46] | justinh: | wonder if mrs justinh will soon be considering trading the Wee for a real console |
| [12:21:33] | justinh: | if a 'blockbuster' like Mario Kart is so disappointing what hope for the rest of Nintendo's catalogue, I wonder... |
| [12:25:12] | jblack: | I wonder what sony will do the next time around. |
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| [12:26:32] | justinh: | I've never seen the novelty of games wear off as fast as with the Wee |
| [12:27:57] | jblack: | I like the wii, and what it did for gaming. |
| [12:28:55] | justinh: | it hasn't done anything really, in any real sense, in real terms. Ooh look! A bandwagon! |
| [12:29:28] | directhex: | the wii has killified nintendo in my eyes |
| [12:29:42] | directhex: | 20 years i've been buying nintendo systems, but there's literally nothing on the wii worth my time |
| [12:30:06] | justinh: | there are going to be one hell of a lot of shiny little white boxes in landfill in under 12 months' time |
| [12:30:06] | directhex: | the wii is a games console for people who don't play on games consoles |
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| [12:30:46] | jblack: | I think it's left two huge marks on gaming. Firstly, it proved that polygon count isn't strictly necessary. Secondly, it proved that the interaction is a killer concept. |
| [12:31:00] | justinh: | those are probably both true for sure |
| [12:31:13] | directhex: | jblack, it's proven that grandma doesn't care about poly count, and that you CAN get away with re-using PS2 assets in 2008 |
| [12:31:19] | jduggan: | its not a gamers platform |
| [12:31:23] | jduggan: | its more like kerplunk |
| [12:31:28] | jduggan: | or scrabble |
| [12:31:29] | jduggan: | :| |
| [12:31:30] | directhex: | hah. yes! |
| [12:31:57] | jblack: | directhex: Sounds to me like you're agreeing. |
| [12:32:15] | justinh: | heh. a console for thinking, a console for gaming, and a console for watching media. I want my mythical convergence console that everybody's been talking about |
| [12:32:16] | directhex: | jblack, but not condoning |
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| [12:33:36] | jblack: | I ended up skipping the xbox and ps3 this time around. Most of my gaming happens on the pc. ;) |
| [12:33:51] | justinh: | I told my wife she was only trying to keep up with the Jones' |
| [12:34:05] | justinh: | glad it was her money not mine :) |
| [12:34:14] | jduggan: | i got an xbox, for one game |
| [12:34:33] | jduggan: | was going to get a ps3, but i know like 1 other person that has one.. which makes me think why bother |
| [12:34:38] | jblack: | I was tempted to get an xbox, but the lack of reliability.... |
| [12:34:47] | justinh: | I'm gonna sound like a proper fuddy duddy for saying this, but it's a shame they stop developing for older consoles |
| [12:34:52] | jduggan: | jblack: i said the same thing about a pc.... |
| [12:34:55] | jduggan: | :o |
| [12:35:06] | jblack: | Heh. That's where I use the wii most; older games. :) |
| [12:35:41] | justinh: | there are still xbox games we keep going back to time & again. Burnout, e.g. |
| [12:36:04] | jblack: | Ahh. |
| [12:36:19] | jblack: | Ok, so you mean kinda-old, not really-frigging-old. :) |
| [12:37:00] | directhex: | there's nothing wrong with retro gaming |
| [12:37:20] | directhex: | but having been gaming for 20 years, i'm happy to say this generation has been fantastic, a real cornucopia |
| [12:37:24] | directhex: | ignoring the wii |
| [12:37:30] | ** gbee just threw out a box of Playstation games ** | |
| [12:37:40] | gbee: | original Playstation |
| [12:37:44] | ** jduggan loads up paperboy ** | |
| [12:37:50] | directhex: | we need to go and buy a sixth bookshelf for games |
| [12:38:52] | jblack: | This wasn't a half bad year for games. I still haven't gotten over fallout 3, and I'm still killing zombies in left 4 dead. =) |
| [12:39:18] | laga: | i still haven't finished ocarina of time. |
| [12:39:20] | gbee: | my Xbox was kinda wasted, think in all the time I've owned it I bought less than 10 games, but by that point I had better things to spend money on and I was losing interest in gaming |
| [12:40:00] | ** directhex switches from rock band to prince of persia ** | |
| [12:40:47] | jblack: | Yeah, I have.. 8 xbox games. 6 ps2 games, 9 wii, and probably a couple dozen pc. |
| [12:40:57] | jblack: | so I hear where you're coming from. |
| [12:41:10] | jblack: | well, physical wii games. Double that if you count downloaded. |
| [12:41:52] | ** directhex counts ** | |
| [12:41:53] | laga: | my ex gf still has my PS2. |
| [12:42:18] | directhex: | 28 xbox 360 games |
| [12:42:34] | directhex: | 13 playstation 3 games |
| [12:42:48] | directhex: | 7 wii games |
| [12:43:09] | directhex: | 8 xbox games |
| [12:43:13] | jblack: | how many xbox 360s have you gone through? |
| [12:43:36] | directhex: | 27 ps2 games |
| [12:43:41] | directhex: | jblack, this is my second |
| [12:43:58] | directhex: | last one popped round about when bioshock launched |
| [12:44:21] | directhex: | 20 snes games |
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| [12:44:43] | directhex: | 24 nes games |
| [12:45:05] | directhex: | 24 n64 games |
| [12:45:09] | directhex: | 1 playstation game |
| [12:45:27] | gbee: | and a partridge in a pear tree |
| [12:45:31] | directhex: | 10 psp games |
| [12:45:52] | directhex: | 10 dreamcast games |
| [12:46:19] | gbee: | how many Gameboy (original)? Somewhere in a box I still have about a dozen |
| [12:46:27] | directhex: | probably about 24 gamecube games (not sure, my sister borrowed a bunch) |
| [12:46:35] | directhex: | gbee, zero. |
| [12:46:38] | laga: | directhex: do you buy a lot of music? |
| [12:46:43] | gbee: | and the lot will be thrown when I find them again |
| [12:46:47] | directhex: | laga, almost none |
| [12:47:21] | directhex: | oh, and "lots" of pc games. hard to count, given Steam |
| [12:47:23] | laga: | ah. i listen to music almost 24/7, so that's a lot more important for me than gaming |
| [12:50:05] | mazadillon: | i've got the dreaded black and white problem when using TV out from my nvidia card. I am using a composite cable to connect directly from card to TV. I have set TVStandard PAL in my xorg.conf and TVOutFormat Composite, any other ideas? |
| [12:50:28] | jblack: | Maybe you're color blind |
| [12:50:35] | mazadillon: | i don't think so |
| [12:50:50] | jblack: | you can ignore the problem if you pretend you are. =) |
| [12:51:12] | mazadillon: | not exactly the solution i was looking for... |
| [12:53:18] | sid3windr: | mazadillon: check that your tv is not configured for s-video? |
| [12:53:18] | test1: | laga: ty ; got to learn :) |
| [12:54:40] | mazadillon: | i'm plugging it into the yellow of the yellow/white/red plugs on the front |
| [12:54:48] | mazadillon: | there is not many options on the tv |
| [12:54:50] | mazadillon: | it's pretty basic |
| [12:55:13] | gbee: | composite |
| [12:55:45] | mazadillon: | yes |
| [12:56:34] | gbee: | sorry, no idea what that random noise from me was about |
| [12:57:28] | gbee: | mazadillon: check that the TV doesn't have any settings to change the input format, some will take composite over s-video and vice-versa |
| [12:57:48] | gbee: | normally it's an option in a menu somewhere or possibly a physical switch |
| [12:57:56] | justinh: | if you have any svideo sources plugged into the TV (e.g. in an svideo socket) unplug em |
| [12:58:20] | gbee: | yeah, that makes more sense than my suggestion |
| [12:58:31] | justinh: | a TV we have at work makes any composite input monochrome if anything is plugged into its svideo socket |
| [12:58:42] | justinh: | or SCART |
| [12:59:34] | justinh: | btw you should also check the TV output standard. Most modern PAL TVs accept NTSC signals but a lot of older ones don't do NTSC in colour |
| [13:00:13] | mazadillon: | oh one thing, when I set the mode to PAL-I instead of just PAL i see nothing on screen at all |
| [13:00:14] | justinh: | the default is NSTC in nvidia's drivers, and indeed in POST etc.. right up until the point the driver makes the tv encoder output in PAL mode |
| [13:00:36] | justinh: | mazadillon: there's no PAL-I in the allowable options AFAIK |
| [13:00:58] | mazadillon: | I was following these instructions http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . pter-16.html |
| [13:01:16] | gbee: | was when I used video-out |
| [13:01:21] | justinh: | the 'x' in PAL-x only specifies the frequency gap between video & audio in modulated RF |
| [13:02:06] | justinh: | so makes FA difference anyway. the colour subcarrier frequency & frame rate are the same. PAL is PAL is PAL is PAL (ish) |
| [13:02:57] | justinh: | does the TV picture look dark? the composite input might somehow have become double-terminated |
| [13:03:17] | justinh: | so if the TV has any video outputs, try unplugging them |
| [13:03:19] | mazadillon: | when i change mode to PAL-I i get a completely blank screen with a white line along the top |
| [13:03:31] | mazadillon: | but just PAL is ok but black and white |
| [13:03:45] | justinh: | is your telly definitely PAL? ;-) |
| [13:03:48] | mazadillon: | i don't have anything else plugged in |
| [13:03:55] | mazadillon: | think so, I live in the UK... |
| [13:04:16] | justinh: | what's the tv output of the VGA card like? an svideo socket? |
| [13:04:34] | justinh: | if so are you using the adapter that comes with the card? |
| [13:04:36] | mazadillon: | no it's a plain yellow socket which is labelled "composite" |
| [13:04:39] | justinh: | eew |
| [13:04:58] | justinh: | funny but have you tried setting tvoutputformat to svideo to see what happens? |
| [13:05:06] | mazadillon: | yeah, didn't make any difference |
| [13:05:25] | justinh: | that's about exhausted everything I know of to try then |
| [13:06:06] | mazadillon: | bah, i gotta go now anyway |
| [13:06:09] | justinh: | try loading nvidia-settings & see if the colour slider is about mid-way |
| [13:06:09] | sid3windr: | yeah, that's what I was going to suggest too |
| [13:06:15] | mazadillon: | cheers for trying guys |
| [13:06:25] | justinh: | check nvidia-settings later :) |
| [13:06:34] | mazadillon: | k |
| [13:06:42] | justinh: | might just be it's somehow defaulted to a very low colour setting. things happen |
| [13:10:50] | justinh: | oh dear. that 'big fat quiz of the year' was about as funny as piles |
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| [13:14:43] | gbee: | hope the Charlie Brooker Christmas special is better then |
| [13:15:20] | justinh: | it doesn't disappoint, if it's the one I've already watched |
| [13:15:33] | justinh: | oh wait.. last one I watched was about kids' telly |
| [13:16:01] | justinh: | and I thought I was ascerbic & opinionated :-P |
| [13:18:01] | justinh: | ahh.. his review of the year.. missed setting that one up. now scheduled to record :) |
| [13:18:26] | justinh: | should really make a new rule to record %Charlie%Brooker% |
| [13:19:13] | justinh: | and that reminds me of another of last year's goals.. to make setting custom rules easier somehow without forcing people to use mysql |
| [13:22:46] | jduggan: | quick fire question |
| [13:22:52] | jduggan: | plama or LCD? |
| [13:22:55] | jduggan: | plasma* |
| [13:23:00] | laga: | LCD |
| [13:23:09] | poodyp: | DLP :) |
| [13:23:23] | justinh: | OLED (though prolly in about 5 years minimum) |
| [13:23:36] | poodyp: | /\ too |
| [13:23:41] | justinh: | realistically though.. prolly LCD from what I've seen |
| [13:25:41] | justinh: | dunno if it's just me, but when I was at the outlaws' watching telly, stuff simulcast on HD looked much nicer on Freeview than other stuff on their 42" LCD |
| [13:25:48] | jduggan: | http://www.dixons.co.uk/martprd/product/38656 . . . gital-LCD-TV |
| [13:25:55] | justinh: | even though it was all still SDTV |
| [13:25:56] | jduggan: | any good? :| |
| [13:26:21] | justinh: | read reviews til you're sick of reading reviews, then go to a proper shop & take one for a test drive |
| [13:26:43] | justinh: | a lot of places will price match. desperate for business |
| [13:27:24] | justinh: | the big stinker there though is the stuff has to be in stock at their competitor's outfit |
| [13:27:41] | justinh: | you'd be surprised how many sheds don't keep stock of things |
| [13:28:37] | justinh: | jduggan: check john lewis.. see if they stock it.. their gear comes with 5 year warranty as standard. also check mr richer |
| [13:29:04] | justinh: | mr richer is generally cheaper than John Lewis & they have different warranty options which are all great value |
| [13:30:17] | gbee: | jduggan: FWIW my TV was £150 cheaper bought from Ebuyer than it was at Dixons/Currys etc |
| [13:31:10] | gbee: | so shop around |
| [13:31:16] | justinh: | the big snag being that buying online doesn't get you an up-close look at stuff.. so it pays to do your research in person still |
| [13:32:27] | gbee: | aye, which is what I did, legwork round Currys and the rest to pick what I wanted, then bought online |
| [13:32:29] | justinh: | jduggan: johnlewis.co.uk have the same telly for the same price but with 5 year warranty. currently out of stock but you can order it at the sale price & have it as soon as it's in stock. did that with our telly |
| [13:33:05] | justinh: | doh. not the same price but approx. |
| [13:33:22] | justinh: | are they still bothering with that 100hz BS? |
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| [13:34:13] | justinh: | wonder how much mains it eats |
| [13:34:22] | jduggan: | the tv was for my brother, he randomly called me while @ the shops |
| [13:34:30] | jduggan: | 'i can get a 52" plasma for the same price, is it worth it' |
| [13:34:34] | gbee: | but beware, Currys local to me put an extreme low quality SD feed through a lot of their TVs and those which were on HD, it was crappy Sky HD feed by an analogue splitter so it looked even worse than it normally does |
| [13:34:42] | jduggan: | but, his room is the size of a shoe box, would so be stupid |
| [13:35:06] | jduggan: | he mentioned about 100hz, i thought all LCD was 60hz? |
| [13:35:30] | justinh: | doesn't matter. they all have to scale & deinterlace UK TV anyway |
| [13:35:37] | gbee: | some 100hz models out there, not worth it IMHO, not that my opinion on the subject is worth much |
| [13:35:39] | justinh: | see how good (or bad) a job it does of that |
| [13:36:06] | justinh: | put it on news24 & see how the ticker looks. if the text ain't smooth & nice without jumping suddenly, bin it |
| [13:36:24] | justinh: | I've seen £400 tellies do better than more expensive sets |
| [13:36:50] | justinh: | also, try to catchh end credits.. any juddering on the text, bin it |
| [13:37:05] | justinh: | or motion trails/ghost images |
| [13:38:11] | justinh: | I've still yet to see proper lifelike colour rendition on any HDTV, but they're generally always in 'LOOK AT ME YOU BASTARD' mode in the shops |
| [13:39:19] | gbee: | aye, 'Store Mode' is awful |
| [13:39:30] | poodyp: | does anyone know if test-mpeg2 is missing from recent releases of libiec61883? |
| [13:40:04] | justinh: | the displays in Argos are funny. their promo looks ace but there are always one or 2 sets which definitely aren't balancing colours the same as the rest |
| [13:40:17] | gbee: | ugh, just cannot get started on finishing pbb |
| [13:40:46] | gbee: | justinh: yeah, normally some pretty noticable differences |
| [13:41:17] | justinh: | like reds that look decidedly purple.. like er.. wtf?! |
| [13:42:03] | gbee: | I've no idea why they can't just calibrate TVs correctly at the factory – the source is digital, is it so hard to represent that onscreen exactly as it should appear? |
| [13:42:34] | justinh: | suppose it must be different 'color temperature' modes |
| [13:42:57] | justinh: | must be for Americans who yearn for good ole yello telly |
| [13:43:11] | justinh: | skin tones in shades of green & purple |
| [13:43:24] | justinh: | "do not adjust your orange" |
| [13:43:45] | gbee: | e.g. pixel 4253123 is #DF3733 ... how hard is it have a mode which just displays the colour it's told to display? |
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| [13:44:45] | justinh: | there's a lot of money to be made selling snake oil.. I mean 'home theater calibration' kits |
| [13:45:21] | justinh: | I should really get ready & install my new DAB radio properly in my car |
| [13:48:26] | jblack: | ohhhh, monster digital cables. |
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| [14:10:56] | clever: | uhhhh |
| [14:11:09] | clever: | i have 300mb free, and over a gig that can expire but isnt |
| [14:11:57] | gbee: | won't expire until a recording needs the space |
| [14:12:08] | clever: | its set to keep 5gig free |
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| [14:12:40] | clever: | and its less then 20mins away from running out |
| [14:13:10] | clever: | the 1st file probly wont expire because mythcommflag is using it |
| [14:13:22] | clever: | and the 2nd wont expire because its being used by a capture card |
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| [15:01:27] | Kyler: | Anyone play with extracting videos from Hulu to stuff into Myth? |
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| [16:01:55] | fuxxy: | Also, is there a way to disable uPNP support for a short while, while I set up my new master backend? |
| [16:03:16] | sphery: | fuxxy: mythbackend --help will tell you |
| [16:04:15] | fuxxy: | sphery, so you're saying I need to restart my -current- backend with some flag to disable uPNP, or does that mythbackend flag also apply to mythsetup (which requires the local backend to be shut down)? |
| [16:05:11] | sphery: | only the backend has UPnP, so if you want to disable UPnP you do it on the backend |
| [16:05:39] | sphery: | If you want to disable UPnP backend autodetection, just disable UPnP on the backend in question or set your firewall to block it |
| [16:06:04] | fuxxy: | awesome, works for me, thanks. |
| [16:06:22] | sphery: | And, no Qt3 and Qt4 are not compatible--thus the "we are switching to Qt4, so trunk will be very unstable and full of bugs" messages that went out last year |
| [16:06:40] | sphery: | but you can have both Qt3 and Qt4 installed on the same system, so you can run both Qt3 and Qt4 apps on the same system |
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| [16:49:26] | max_long: | is anyone experiencing a behavior in trunk (r19532) where live tv is paused when going to the EPG? |
| [16:49:51] | max_long: | and no thumbnail preview is shown in the EPG |
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| [16:52:07] | justinh: | max_long: you are, and I don't see any tickets open about it |
| [16:52:29] | max_long: | yes, indeed I am ;-) |
| [16:52:32] | max_long: | thx |
| [16:52:59] | iamlindoro__: | rm -rf liveTV |
| [16:53:00] | max_long: | wondering if anyone else besides me is seeing this and if (a) it is a bug or (b) it is something I inadvertantly turned on |
| [16:53:17] | sulx: | max_long: I have same thing |
| [16:53:36] | sulx: | not yet bothered to check whats causing it |
| [16:54:04] | max_long: | i'm pretty sure it just started for me yesterday when I svn upped |
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| [16:54:23] | max_long: | iamlindoro__: i don't follow |
| [16:54:57] | max_long: | sulx: glad to know it's not jsut me then |
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| [16:55:51] | justinh: | y'know if nobody ever reports a problem, it might never get fixed |
| [16:55:58] | justinh: | *officially |
| [16:56:09] | max_long: | justinh: your'e right of course. |
| [16:56:23] | max_long: | just wanted to verify if this is a problem or something I've done wrong |
| [16:56:39] | justinh: | I doubt it's a configuration issue |
| [16:56:44] | max_long: | don't want to submit a bug for something that's not broken |
| [16:57:12] | justinh: | better to err on the side of caution though |
| [16:57:33] | justinh: | bugs that can't be reproduced by devs still get fixed quite often |
| [16:59:09] | justinh: | bloody hell somebody suggested renaming something in mythtv & it wasn't yelled out of town! :-O |
| [16:59:24] | justinh: | *by random people who don't have commit privs |
| [16:59:31] | iamlindoro__: | though it is still an error to go through the suggestion phase |
| [17:00:15] | justinh: | yeah well, that was the year before last.. or was it just last year? I forget now |
| [17:00:35] | justinh: | concept-wide is officially in the bin now. starting to scribble something new |
| [17:01:17] | justinh: | with a (wait for it!) PLAIN background :-O |
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| [17:06:58] | ehazlett: | i keep getting the Database Access Denied with mythweb... i have run through the INSTALL and changed all passwords to match... can anyone help? |
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| [17:14:23] | andreax: | Anyone else seeing this in current svn? http://pastebin.ca/1297688 |
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| [17:15:39] | justinh: | distclean needed perchance? |
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| [17:19:34] | ehazlett: | can anyone tell me where the log is for mythweb? |
| [17:20:15] | academy: | When I press select to tune a channel in the guide I don't then see the osd going L->LA->LAM->LAMc->LAMC. The screen goes completely black and the osd only appears when the video has begun to play. Sometimes if I backup from the guide the screen goes black (with sound) and I have to reload the gui and come out of it again for the video to come up. Occasionally I get fullscreen video but it's cropped to the size of the previewer. Any ideas wh |
| [17:20:15] | academy: | y this would be? |
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| [17:25:46] | andreax: | justinh: I think i tried already... |
| [17:27:20] | max_long: | andreax: i was having similar problems, not exactly the same. kept getting compile errors on plugins. started over with a fresh checkout, and that worked. |
| [17:28:35] | wylie: | iamlindoro around? |
| [17:28:55] | academy: | Is it worth reporting my problem as a bug? |
| [17:29:10] | academy: | ...or posting to a list? |
| [17:31:14] | andreax: | max_long kk, ill try that |
| [17:32:04] | max_long: | andreax has it every compiled for you? did the problem just start? |
| [17:32:18] | max_long: | s/every/ever/ |
| [17:32:30] | andreax: | max_long: Its just started with the last checkout. Before it compiled fine |
| [17:32:42] | max_long: | hmm |
| [17:33:02] | max_long: | r19532? |
| [17:33:32] | andreax: | hmm. When i see sleepDialogTimer and sleepTimer, maybe ive changed something on my own, i cant remember anymore (for ending the fronend with the sleeptimer)... |
| [17:33:35] | PMantis: | Does each frontend require NFS mounted access to the storage groups for it to operate? |
| [17:33:39] | andreax: | I try a fresh checkout |
| [17:33:49] | andreax: | yes 19532 |
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| [17:43:30] | sulx: | argh...I can't get external subs (.srt/.sub etc) to work with internal player |
| [17:44:34] | justinh: | jesus. first day of the new year & I'm more than two grand in credit. What the ****?! |
| [17:45:00] | justinh: | shirley there musht be shome mishtake |
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| [17:47:13] | justinh: | nope. mortgage payments & everything have been coming out ok. whoah. there was I thinking I'd been a total spendthrift over the last few weeks. must simply be the fact my car is fully paid for now. wheee |
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| [17:49:25] | ** justinh hopes Mr Taxman doesn't read the logs :) ** | |
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| [17:50:31] | directhex: | mister taaaaaaaaaaaxmaaaaaaaaaaaaan, bring me a bill |
| [17:50:37] | directhex: | make it so huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge that i wanna kill |
| [17:51:19] | justinh: | then again, I pay all my tax at source, and even bothered declaring the meagre earnings from those DJing stints |
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| [17:53:08] | justinh: | I need a stiff drink to get over the shock of seeing those numbers. |
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| [17:55:54] | justinh: | time to start saving for a rainy day methinks |
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| [17:57:52] | jduggan: | you could always pay off my loan |
| [17:57:57] | jduggan: | i'd be eternally greatful etc |
| [17:57:58] | jduggan: | :O |
| [18:01:58] | justinh: | hahaha. I don't give money to charity anymore |
| [18:02:12] | justinh: | there are enough people getting money for nothing in this world :) |
| [18:03:46] | jduggan: | yea |
| [18:04:17] | jduggan: | in 14months i save myself 125/month that'll be nice |
| [18:04:37] | jduggan: | should start payin into my pension again really |
| [18:05:02] | justinh: | pensions are ridiculous now. it's all about degrees of futility |
| [18:05:44] | justinh: | best plan is to hope I die before I'm old enough to stop working |
| [18:06:07] | justinh: | or live like a miser in the hope inflation won't wither my pension away to nowt |
| [18:06:34] | justinh: | neither option is particularly rosy, so let's not think about it now eh |
| [18:07:31] | jduggan: | heh |
| [18:17:37] | nikosapi: | is there a way to force mythtv's transcoder to use a specific aspect ratio? For some odd reason it just uses 2 for me on 4/3 content... |
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| [18:26:56] | tanderson: | sphery: around> |
| [18:27:01] | tanderson: | s/>/? |
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| [18:29:57] | poodyp: | anyone here using firewire capture? |
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| [18:42:59] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, Is there a project API code for Myth and thetvdb? Would like to play around with some stuff and figured I wouldn't repeat the effort if there is on/you had already created one |
| [18:45:32] | sphery: | tanderson: am now... Any progress on figuring out if the signal issue was related to driver changes? |
| [18:46:21] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, and, if you wouldn't mind sharing, would love to see anything you had done so far (would like to look at adding banner retrieval at record-time) |
| [18:47:04] | tanderson: | sphery: nope, but I think the signal strength is irrelevant. I can tune WTXF(Fox) at 55% reported signal strength |
| [18:48:14] | sphery: | Yeah, I'm able to tune at around 50%, so it may just be reporting |
| [18:48:17] | tanderson: | sphery: and that's HD |
| [18:48:40] | sphery: | I guess something else may have caused a real signal strength issue for me. |
| [18:50:24] | tanderson: | and I think the signal strength reporting thing is subsystem wide as a em28xx device has similar signal strength |
| [18:51:42] | sphery: | Interesting. |
| [18:52:22] | sphery: | I was really hoping that would be the "fix" I needed. Sounds like it may not be. I may still play around with it when I get rid of the family/visitors around here. |
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| [18:52:44] | sphery: | But, I think I'll also be going back to the attic to re-aim the antenna. |
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| [18:56:30] | tanderson: | yeah |
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| [20:25:41] | usicow: | I dont want to record any movies/shows directly off the TV but instead want to play divx files via a linux based media center OS. Is Mythtv a good choice for that, or is Mythtv's really known for its recording capabilities? |
| [20:29:46] | poodyp: | mythtv has regular video abilities with a plugin but it's not a super strong point |
| [20:31:41] | erb: | usicow: thats all I use my mythbuntu box for |
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| [20:38:50] | forrestv: | mythvideo fails to rip some dvds |
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| [20:39:05] | forrestv: | why is this? i'm guessing it's due to some kind of protection or something |
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| [20:42:27] | sphery: | forrestv: yep, most likely it's DRM on the discs. MythVideo doesn't support ripping copy-protected DVD's, so you'll have to find another program to allow that. |
| [20:42:46] | forrestv: | sphery, DRM? |
| [20:42:55] | iamlindoro: | Digital Rights Management |
| [20:42:58] | iamlindoro: | copy protection |
| [20:42:59] | forrestv: | i know ... |
| [20:42:59] | sphery: | Digital Rights Management = "some kind of protection or something" |
| [20:43:05] | forrestv: | but i didn't think dvds had that |
| [20:43:11] | iamlindoro: | Of course they do |
| [20:43:17] | forrestv: | iamlindoro, how? |
| [20:43:21] | iamlindoro: | How what? |
| [20:43:28] | forrestv: | it's generally just newer dvds |
| [20:43:33] | iamlindoro: | The same way any item has DRM. Encryption |
| [20:43:48] | sphery: | sony and disney have a love affair with ARccOS, which = not a real DVD |
| [20:43:51] | iamlindoro: | All commercial DVDs have DRM. some newere DVDs have more draconian DRM on top of the core DRM |
| [20:43:54] | sphery: | (not compliant with the spec) |
| [20:44:31] | sphery: | ARccOS = "more draconian DRM" on top of the core DRM (Content Scrambling System) |
| [20:45:33] | sphery: | but, the recommendation still stands: If your local laws allow you to rip the DVD in spite of the technological protection measures protecting the copyrighted material therein, find another program to rip it. :) |
| [20:46:17] | forrestv: | will mythvideo ever be improved to be able to rip these? |
| [20:46:26] | sphery: | nope, no intention to do so |
| [20:46:31] | forrestv: | sphery, why? |
| [20:46:57] | forrestv: | i'd think that's a major problem |
| [20:47:22] | sphery: | In truth, MythVideo compiled with libdvdcss support allows ripping a "standard" DVD with CSS encryption (Myth code doesn't do anything to circumvent encryption, libdvdcss does), but chances are you're seeing some of the "more draconian DRM" |
| [20:47:51] | sphery: | And, it's not a major problem as MythTV is /not/ intended to help people break the law. :) |
| [20:48:01] | PMantis: | I'm having trouble with the Netflix plugin. I can browse and add movies to the queue, but when I try to "View Queue", I see: QObject::connect: Cannot connect (null)::finished(NewsSite*) to MythFlixQueue::slotNewsRetrieved(NewsSite*) |
| [20:48:08] | sphery: | There are other programs out there that can do so. |
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| [20:48:38] | sphery: | (And, yes, I realize it's not illegal everywhere, but Myth--and Myth devs--are in some places where it is illegal.) |
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| [20:51:37] | sphery: | PMantis: are you using Gentoo? |
| [20:52:04] | PMantis: | sphery: Not on this machine... Mythbuntu 8.10 |
| [20:52:39] | PMantis: | But I assume it's not specific to this distro |
| [20:53:27] | sphery: | OK. I thought it might be an issue with non-latin characters in titles in the queue and a Gentoo misconfiguration. It was reported once a long time ago, but closed "worksforme," so the issue was likely because the reporter's DB was corrupt. |
| [20:54:59] | sphery: | If you had Gentoo, you would almost definitely have the same misconfiguration/DB corruption, so you'd have to fix it. But, Ubuntu should be properly configured--unless you messed with the my.cnf and set character-set-server to utf8 . (The Ubuntu default my.cnf works.) |
| [20:55:19] | usicow: | if all I'm using the mythtv frontend for is playing of divx files, does it really need a mythtv backend? Or can it connect to a network share or something? |
| [20:55:59] | tanderson: | So, is there any documentation on the network remote control interface? |
| [20:56:24] | justinh: | in the wiki there is |
| [20:56:33] | iamlindoro: | Technically speaking it's possible to make the frontend run without a backend BUT it will comstantly throw up complaints about missing backend and you still have to run a DB.... so in effect, no, you still need the backend |
| [20:56:36] | tanderson: | Really? I searched and couldn't find it |
| [20:56:36] | sphery: | tanderson: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Telnet_socket + help |
| [20:56:46] | sphery: | it calls it "telnet" |
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| [20:56:53] | forrestv: | sphery, it's as simple as skipping bad sectors, not really drm. is that illegal? |
| [20:57:41] | tanderson: | sphery: so the mythweb remote module requires telnet to operate? |
| [20:58:00] | justinh: | mythweb remote control? not seen that for ages |
| [20:58:24] | tanderson: | It's in mythweb now |
| [20:58:32] | PMantis: | sphery: So this has to do with a DB connectio from the perl script then? Man! I was messing with my firewall until I had it * * * Allow! heh |
| [20:58:52] | tanderson: | and I'm running svn -fixes 17573 |
| [20:58:57] | sphery: | forrestv: That's one form of DRM--make a disc that can't "generally" be read by a computer-based DVD drive (which doesn't handle I/O errors nearly as well as a STB). It's used on both CD's and DVD's (though, technically, they aren't CD's or DVD's because they aren't compliant with the standard). |
| [20:59:09] | justinh: | ruh? didn't realise that was there |
| [20:59:30] | iamlindoro: | tanderson, Yes, the Mythweb remote does (and always has) use the telnet socket |
| [20:59:38] | justinh: | so how come there's only one frontend listed there? i.e. the backend machine.. maybe my frontend isn't running the telnet interface |
| [20:59:46] | Dagmar: | Pfft. Most of the time the bad sectors are simply never being looked at because the bit of data that tells the DVD player what sectors to play from simply *leaves out the bad sectors* |
| [21:00:20] | Dagmar: | ...which considering most rippers just rip a track end-to-end without skipping anything, makes a pretty effective rip-blocker |
| [21:00:51] | sphery: | PMantis: unless you've messed with your my.cnf, you're probably having some issue other than the one I was guessing you might have |
| [21:00:56] | tanderson: | justinh: you have to have some telnet client on the frontend machine as I've just discovered |
| [21:01:23] | justinh: | no, just run mythfrontend with the telnet socket enabled |
| [21:02:05] | sphery: | yeah, must check: Enable Network Remote Control interface: This enables support for controlling mythfrontend over the network. |
| [21:02:18] | Dagmar: | Wait... Does +i mode on a channel mean something different on Freenode? |
| [21:02:23] | sphery: | In General settings |
| [21:02:28] | Dagmar: | Ah nevermind |
| [21:02:34] | iamlindoro: | Also need to have the frontend running IIRC |
| [21:02:49] | tanderson: | I have that checked and it still isn't working |
| [21:02:58] | PMantis: | sphery: Ok. Just to be sure, on the frontend, it's pure mythbuntu. On the backend, it's Ubuntu server 8.10 AMD64 with the myth packages added. This has the mysql DB. Grep cannot find "character" in my.cnf on either the frontend or backend. |
| [21:03:24] | PMantis: | Any netflix.pl command line testing I can do? (I can't figure out the options for displaying the queue) |
| [21:03:33] | iamlindoro: | Also going to want to have *really really recent* trunk as a telnet segfault that was trigger by the mythweb remote only just got fixed |
| [21:03:45] | sphery: | tanderson: is Network Remote Control Port set to the standard (6546)? Might be hard-coded into MythWeb... (Just a guess--haven't looked) |
| [21:03:58] | tanderson: | sphery: it's not hardcoded, I checked that |
| [21:04:06] | tanderson: | and the port is set to the default one |
| [21:04:12] | tanderson: | iamlindoro: that's probably it then |
| [21:04:26] | iamlindoro: | tanderson, No, this only segfaults the frontend, it should still show up in mythweb |
| [21:04:27] | sphery: | PMantis: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Fixing_C . . . isconfigured |
| [21:04:44] | iamlindoro: | But the second key you attempt to press will segfault the frontend |
| [21:04:44] | ** PMantis reads ** | |
| [21:04:52] | iamlindoro: | at least, until recently |
| [21:05:00] | tanderson: | ok, so that's not it |
| [21:05:31] | iamlindoro: | tanderson, you have enabled the telnet socket, restarted frontend, and frontend is running? |
| [21:05:37] | PMantis: | sphery: Should I run that on the frontend or the backend? |
| [21:05:43] | sphery: | PMantis: note that I haven't had an affected Gentoo user go through that to verify it all works, so that's kind of a "preview"--i.e. give me a week to get the fix part of it verified |
| [21:05:53] | tanderson: | ok, so apparently if I install a telnet client the box under Frontends: has a filled in border |
| [21:05:57] | tanderson: | iamlindoro: yep |
| [21:06:06] | sphery: | PMantis: just need to run it on a system that has permission to connect to the MySQL server with the mythconverg DB |
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| [21:07:10] | tanderson: | hmm, the frontend logs show something connecting through Network Control |
| [21:08:09] | tanderson: | ah, working! |
| [21:08:18] | sphery: | cool... what was the issue? |
| [21:08:43] | PMantis: | sphery: Ok, all are "latin1" |
| [21:09:03] | sphery: | PMantis: then it's not the issue I thought it might be. |
| [21:09:05] | sphery: | Sorry. |
| [21:09:09] | tanderson: | sphery: to be honest, I don't know. Something just "clicked" and it worked |
| [21:09:30] | sphery: | Oh, one of those... I hate those. |
| [21:09:35] | PMantis: | sphery: Well, knowing it's NOT this issue still helps. Thanks! |
| [21:09:37] | sphery: | But, at least it's now working. |
| [21:10:02] | tanderson: | yep, and quite handy |
| [21:10:17] | forrestv: | sphery, where is the relevant code? |
| [21:10:37] | forrestv: | for the actual ripping using libdvdcss |
| [21:11:07] | sphery: | forrestv: there's no code in MythVideo to circumvent DRM (and, TTBOMK, none will ever be accepted). You should /really/ look at another program. |
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| [21:19:38] | usicow: | if all I'm using the mythtv frontend for is playing of divx files, does it really need a mythtv backend? Or can it connect to a network share or something? |
| [21:20:02] | iamlindoro: | usicow, you've been answered already |
| [21:20:21] | RyeBrye: | if all you are using is mythtv frontend for playing divx files, you should use somethign else like xbmc or boxee instead |
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| [21:22:09] | gbee: | mythtv is a media centre, not a glorified video player |
| [21:22:40] | Shadow_M: | lol |
| [21:22:45] | Shadow_M: | amen |
| [21:23:12] | sphery: | So, take RyeBrye's statement and gbee's statement and do the vice versa and what do we have? |
| [21:23:33] | sphery: | (not that I disagree) |
| [21:24:05] | gbee: | hey you said it, not me ;) |
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| [21:25:19] | sphery: | iamlindoro: didn't we agree that we'd start giving people the answers they want so they wouldn't be as upset as they are when they get the truth? |
| [21:25:32] | iamlindoro: | If we really want to "compete" with XBMC we'll need to make sure when finishing video playback it steals your mouse cursor and requires an X restart |
| [21:25:32] | sphery: | Guess he's one who wanted a different answer. |
| [21:25:49] | iamlindoro: | He'll be back in 20 minutes with the same question again, not to worry |
| [21:26:30] | Shadow_M: | the eaiser we make things the more our heads hurt and the more they feel like they accomplished something |
| [21:32:04] | test1: | hi all and .. |
| [21:33:26] | test1: | sphery: about my pb of tv_grab_fr , yesterday .. i did what u said delete video source and make it again .. it worked .. but i had to fill all manually again : channel id, frequencies pictures .. all !! |
| [21:33:39] | test1: | but ty it worked.. |
| [21:33:46] | justinh: | why not patch subversion to introduce small coding errors every time somebody checks out code – then make that the only way to get mythtv – therefore anybody who wants to use it has to debug it :-P oh wait then i'd have given up after 5 days |
| [21:35:29] | test1: | so... if someone knows how to delete data of grab (may be in db directly ??) without disconfigure all myth setup, he is very welcome .. (ty) |
| [21:36:17] | test1: | (this french grab is such a rubbish ..) |
| [21:36:20] | Anduin: | test1: program is the table that stores actual listing data, channel for channesl |
| [21:36:52] | Anduin: | test1: you shouldn't need to delete from program though as a refresh will delete what it replaces |
| [21:38:01] | test1: | if i refresh (run tv_grab_fr or mythfilldb) .. ir says stg like data already existing for this day .. |
| [21:38:18] | test1: | or what is refresh ? |
| [21:39:16] | test1: | Anduin: plz where is the program' table? |
| [21:39:20] | Anduin: | test1: look at the mythfilldatabase options, you can --refresh-today for example |
| [21:39:42] | test1: | ? really ! nice i try :) |
| [21:40:11] | Anduin: | and the tables are in the mythconverg database, where everything else is. |
| [21:40:50] | test1: | yes ! now it says "Data Refresh needed because of user request" :)))))))))))))))))))))))) |
| [21:40:56] | Anduin: | (but if you are asking you probably should leave that for last) |
| [21:41:44] | test1: | --refresh-today it's perfect, ty |
| [21:41:52] | test1: | 1point |
| [21:41:56] | test1: | :) |
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| [22:01:25] | janneg: | is here anyone with a hvr1800 and willing to do some test with the mpeg2 encoder? |
| [22:03:02] | Shadow_M: | what kind of test |
| [22:03:09] | Shadow_M: | i have one |
| [22:03:59] | janneg: | Shadow_M: a -v record,channel log of the errors |
| [22:04:38] | iamlindoro: | Shadow_M, The failure on it pertained to changing channels when using analog, right? Make sure to get an attempted channel change in there for janneg too |
| [22:04:58] | Shadow_M: | well i will try but last time i was working with it the tunner diidnt work in mythtv |
| [22:05:07] | Shadow_M: | and yes iamlindoro |
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| [22:06:03] | levander: | Is it possible to "un-delete" a show you accidentally removed? |
| [22:07:12] | justinh: | levander: not unless you'd already enabled 'do not delete, only accelerate autoexpiry when deleting' |
| [22:07:44] | levander: | I'll go check that later. Thanks justinh. |
| [22:07:56] | iamlindoro: | justinh, MYTHTV SUCKS! I totally had undelete in DOS 6.0!!! UGH, MythTV is so behind! I bet XBMC has a python undelete script!" |
| [22:08:26] | justinh: | I bet xbmc starts up fine on some people's machines. just 'encountered a problem' on startup here the last few days |
| [22:08:49] | iamlindoro: | Better not starting up than starting up and then stealing your mouse cursor away when playing video |
| [22:08:52] | iamlindoro: | than |
| [22:09:02] | justinh: | hahaha. just reinstalled it.. and it's doing the same thing. doh |
| [22:09:18] | justinh: | bless em |
| [22:09:20] | janneg: | Shadow_M: I suspect that the driver doesn't like opening the video device twice |
| [22:09:32] | iamlindoro: | and for clarity's sake, stealing your cursor is fine, just do give it BACK at the end of playback |
| [22:10:20] | janneg: | mythtv does that. once for controlling the tuner and once for controlling the encoder/video options/reading video data |
| [22:10:28] | justinh: | just opens, changes my screen res, then crashes. nifty |
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| [22:10:37] | justinh: | I can see now why it's so popular |
| [22:10:51] | iamlindoro: | But OH how sexy it looks before crashing |
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| [22:12:14] | justinh: | and then there's the other 'competition'. http://www.team-mediaportal.com/images/storie . . . tv_guide.jpg |
| [22:12:18] | SHADOW__X: | alright janneg so just let me know what to do |
| [22:12:19] | SHADOW__X: | and ill do it |
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| [22:12:58] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Mmmm, simple |
| [22:13:07] | justinh: | hmmm overload! |
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| [22:15:08] | janneg: | SHADOW__X: configure the card as mpeg2 recorder (ivtv), connect it to a video source (create at least two channels if it's not an existing source) |
| [22:16:01] | janneg: | start mythbackend with -v record,channel, try to use the card and paste the mythbackend output to a paste bin |
| [22:16:31] | justinh: | iamlindoro: better: http://www.alternative-media-solutions.com/vistaimages/guide.png |
| [22:17:57] | iamlindoro: | justinh, I actually have some stuff in mind for the EPG that I want to play with. Thinking of something semi-traditional in the schedule recordings screen, but a *super* pared-down display in the liveTV EPG |
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| [22:18:42] | iamlindoro: | ie "This is what's on RIGHT NOW" and the user has to actually do something to expand it |
| [22:18:52] | justinh: | yep |
| [22:19:08] | SHADOW__X: | mythbackend – record,channel? |
| [22:19:12] | SHADOW__X: | like that janneg |
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| [22:19:20] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW__X, -v record, channel |
| [22:19:37] | iamlindoro: | erm, without the space after the comma |
| [22:19:37] | justinh: | iamlindoro: that's been needed for ages IMHO, just never had the nouse to do anything about it |
| [22:20:49] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Nor the themeability |
| [22:21:07] | justinh: | and as for the OSD menus.. don't get me started |
| [22:21:33] | iamlindoro: | I definitely have some ideas that have at least *me* excited when it comes to that |
| [22:22:04] | iamlindoro: | That's a place where I need to get a couple more patches in, too. Once gbee starts on it I'll probably get motivated and get to work on them |
| [22:22:09] | justinh: | I don't think I'll ever do anything truly innovative with it, I want usable |
| [22:22:31] | iamlindoro: | IMO getting the OSD usable will require that we innovate :) |
| [22:23:41] | sphery: | do we have OSD menu themes, or is it all currently coded in? |
| [22:23:56] | sphery: | (i.e. is the OSD menu themed in the OSD theme) |
| [22:24:00] | justinh: | you can change the size & the colour.. and the font. that's it |
| [22:24:07] | sphery: | Got it. |
| [22:24:11] | PMantis: | Hmm, my mythflix is not working. I found it's querying "SELECT DISTINCT queue FROM netflix WHERE queue <> '' ", but there are no entries matching this... no wonder it can't show my queue! So, what's supposed to populate the 'netflix' table? |
| [22:24:34] | SHADOW__X: | janneg ok i tried to tune the 1800 but it brought me back to the main menu |
| [22:24:34] | sphery: | PMantis: WHERE queue != '' |
| [22:24:49] | iamlindoro: | OSD needs some expanding to add in all the fun stuff we're cramming in these days |
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| [22:24:58] | SHADOW__X: | just to let you know i have a hvr 160 and a hvr 1800 and am running mythbuntu 8.10 |
| [22:25:25] | sphery: | PMantis: nvm, it doesn't seem to care--either works |
| [22:25:48] | SpaceBass: | hey folks – I have a question about OTA hd ... appears my tuner is getting over powered and some have suggested an attenuator ... would using a splitter do the same thing? |
| [22:26:31] | iamlindoro: | It'll attenuate the signal by a bit, but probably not by enough |
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| [22:26:50] | sphery: | PMantis: but, thanks for letting me know that I have a couple things to do on the restore script (allow whitelisted partial restore with plugin data to restore mythflix and mythzoneminder tables...) |
| [22:27:42] | PMantis: | sphery: No matter how you write the query, there are no entries with a non-blank "queue" |
| [22:27:44] | SpaceBass: | iamlindoro when I look on amazon I see several options for attenuator 'strengths' ... 2db, 3db, 6db ... how do I know which one to buy? |
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| [22:28:07] | iamlindoro: | SpaceBass, Honestly, it depends totally on how much you're overpowering the tuner by |
| [22:28:18] | iamlindoro: | You want to attenuate as *little* as you need to, obviously |
| [22:28:34] | iamlindoro: | You can even attenuate 10/20/more dB |
| [22:28:45] | iamlindoro: | but anything you or I came up with would likely be a guess |
| [22:29:09] | iamlindoro: | You can try starting with a splitter... the more outputs on the splitter, the larger the attenuation |
| [22:29:18] | iamlindoro: | And it'll be marked on the splitter |
| [22:29:20] | gbee: | you really need a meter to get an idea of the current level |
| [22:29:36] | gbee: | and an idea of what a normal level would be |
| [22:31:13] | iamlindoro: | You also want to hope that attenuating the signal for the one channel doesn't kill the signal for all the other ones |
| [22:31:15] | SpaceBass: | they are dirt cheap, so I can buy several – just trying to learn about the processess a bit |
| [22:31:26] | SpaceBass: | iamlindoro that is a very real possability |
| [22:31:30] | PMantis: | Can someone with a working Mythflix tell me what's in their netflix table? |
| [22:31:44] | SpaceBass: | in which case I'll have to get a tuner to dedicate to that specific channel |
| [22:32:22] | iamlindoro: | or built an antenna array and devote an antenna to that one channel instead |
| [22:32:43] | iamlindoro: | Which could likely be very cheap if it's *that* strong a signal |
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| [22:33:20] | iamlindoro: | But building the array of antennas is from what I understand a bit of a black/lost art |
| [22:33:36] | SpaceBass: | hummm |
| [22:33:37] | Dagmar: | it r requiring MATHS |
| [22:34:24] | iamlindoro: | The term to search for is "antenna stacking" I believe |
| [22:34:46] | SpaceBass: | i'm 'into' solving this problem...frankly I dont care too much about having ABC, I can get the content other ways... but its the thrill of figuring this out, so I'm open to playing with antennae |
| [22:34:47] | iamlindoro: | Note I am speaking from exactly zero experience, except to say that it's possible |
| [22:35:11] | SpaceBass: | at this point, the over power theory is just that, a theory |
| [22:35:37] | iamlindoro: | The SiliconDust folks likely have some fancy CLI tool that will tell you the signal strength in dB |
| [22:35:52] | iamlindoro: | figure out what it is in dB, compare to the others, and attenuate as necessary |
| [22:36:05] | iamlindoro: | assuming it doesn't reduce the others to 0 :) |
| [22:36:20] | SpaceBass: | I'm using that tool |
| [22:36:36] | gbee: | could be the opposite, a lot less likely with terrestrial, but I've seen a DVB-S card have no problem with most frequencies (strong signal) but completely drop out on another |
| [22:36:50] | justinh: | radioshack used to sell variable attenuators |
| [22:37:06] | SpaceBass: | justinh, not mine, outta stock ...checked today :D |
| [22:37:21] | gbee: | in that case a new DVB-S card, (better make) fixed the issue |
| [22:37:21] | justinh: | plenty people with over-hot HD feeds eh |
| [22:37:32] | iamlindoro: | I should be so lucky |
| [22:38:03] | SpaceBass: | of course, the next challenge is trying to tune in stations from the cities 1 hour in either direction from me :D |
| [22:38:45] | PMantis: | Ahh, I just fixed my netflix queue issue.. went to http://www.netflix.com/RSSFeeds, found my RSS URL, and manually inserted a line in the 'netflix' table. But this should've been there without 'hacking' it. |
| [22:38:48] | ** iamlindoro kicks inkscape ** | |
| [22:40:08] | gbee: | PMantis: the netflix plugin is substandard in the extreme, if you are offering to improve it then I'm sure a lot of people would be happy |
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| [22:40:47] | gbee: | unfortunately no-one has worked on it since it was committed and it probably never should have been committed before it was complete |
| [22:41:55] | PMantis: | gbee: I'd love to... for now, I'm just announcing that the problems I was talking about earlier si resolved for now. |
| [22:44:30] | gbee: | FWIW the readme does include instructions for setting it up |
| [22:45:07] | gbee: | but it should be done through the GUI, and not through a CLI |
| [22:45:22] | gbee: | or through mysql |
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| [22:54:38] | janneg: | SHADOW__X: sorry, I was away. do you the backend output |
| [22:55:33] | SHADOW__X: | i have the log |
| [22:55:43] | SHADOW__X: | did you re ad what i wrote farther up |
| [22:56:50] | janneg: | yes, but I missed the log |
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| [22:57:04] | SHADOW__X: | ah alright where should i paste it |
| [22:57:08] | SHADOW__X: | and should i paste all the log |
| [22:58:04] | janneg: | SHADOW__X: pastebin.ca, rafb.net/paste for example and only the log from the -v record,channel start |
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| [23:01:48] | SHADOW__X: | submiting now http://pastebin.ca/1297907 |
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| [23:08:09] | iamlindoro: | Wow, I am really saying screw overscan now. http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB-rescale.png |
| [23:08:31] | iamlindoro: | I'll just call it notoverscansafe-wide |
| [23:20:24] | i_is_cat: | mythbackend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.21.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| [23:20:25] | i_is_cat: | ? |
| [23:20:54] | i_is_cat: | nm my mistake |
| [23:20:55] | janneg: | SHADOW__X: that log doesn't look right |
| [23:21:36] | janneg: | it misses record,channel verbose options |
| [23:22:50] | SHADOW__X: | hmm |
| [23:24:06] | SHADOW__X: | i did mythbackend -v record,channel |
| [23:25:57] | janneg: | and the pasted log is from /var/log/...? |
| [23:26:05] | SHADOW__X: | si senor |
| [23:27:00] | janneg: | without -l option the backend just prints to the console |
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| [23:27:14] | SHADOW__X: | alright sorry about that |
| [23:27:24] | SHADOW__X: | so mythbackend -l -v record,channel |
| [23:27:31] | janneg: | SHADOW__X: mythbackend -v record,channel -l hvr1800.log |
| [23:27:41] | SHADOW__X: | alright |
| [23:27:44] | SHADOW__X: | you got it |
| [23:27:48] | janneg: | and than paste the contents of hvr1800.log |
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| [23:33:21] | SHADOW__X: | http://pastebin.ca/1297926 |
| [23:33:26] | SHADOW__X: | alright tthat should be it |
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| [23:34:48] | janneg: | SHADOW__X: yes that looks better. thanks |
| [23:34:55] | SHADOW__X: | yup |
| [23:35:38] | SHADOW__X: | i had a channel changing script written before that used the ivt-tune program tuned it to the right freq of a channel then i could open it up in mythfrontend and it would watch the channel |
| [23:36:17] | SHADOW__X: | but that wasnt a very good option and it didnt update the c hannel number on the osd it was a simple script so maybe thats why |
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| [23:41:06] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, thoughts on using randomized fanart in the PBB? I kind of like. http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB-fanart.png |
| [23:41:54] | SHADOW__X: | pbb? |
| [23:42:07] | iamlindoro: | Playback Box. Watch Recordings Screen. |
| [23:42:15] | SHADOW__X: | ah alright |
| [23:42:48] | SHADOW__X: | hmm could be nice but could also be overwelming |
| [23:43:04] | iamlindoro: | Apparently you're not familiar with XBMC ;) |
| [23:43:13] | SHADOW__X: | ah |
| [23:43:14] | SHADOW__X: | lol |
| [23:43:16] | SHADOW__X: | sorry |
| [23:43:29] | iamlindoro: | But don't get me wrong, the mockup is mine |
| [23:43:47] | SHADOW__X: | right well i guess if xbmc likes to not be minimalistic |
| [23:43:50] | SHADOW__X: | they YES GO AHEAD |
| [23:43:52] | SHADOW__X: | !!! |
| [23:43:53] | iamlindoro: | Ideas for usage of new theming engine |
| [23:44:06] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure there will be plenty of minimal themes |
| [23:44:11] | iamlindoro: | Like... GANT |
| [23:44:15] | SHADOW__X: | eh |
| [23:44:16] | SHADOW__X: | gant |
| [23:44:19] | SHADOW__X: | i hte it |
| [23:45:29] | sid3windr: | ehh |
| [23:45:34] | sid3windr: | why can't I watch dvd's when the backend is down :| |
| [23:45:39] | iamlindoro: | Point being if we go on having understated themes forever people will just continue to say things that CAN be done in myth can't be. So might as well throw everything and the kitchen sink at the naysayers who want "bling" |
| [23:46:47] | SHADOW__X: | ah alright |
| [23:46:49] | SHADOW__X: | i gotcha |
| [23:46:49] | SHADOW__X: | then |
| [23:46:52] | SHADOW__X: | with using that |
| [23:46:54] | SHADOW__X: | yes i like the theme |
| [23:47:04] | SHADOW__X: | could give more of a welcoming view |
| [23:47:05] | gbee: | iamlindoro: legibility suffers IMHO |
| [23:47:14] | SHADOW__X: | like ohhh look what myth can do |
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| [23:48:05] | iamlindoro: | gbee, May throw an an color overlay between the bottom backdrop and the text |
| [23:48:15] | iamlindoro: | Something so that it's still there, but more muted |
| [23:48:40] | ** iamlindoro buys stock in memory companies ** | |
| [23:49:05] | SHADOW__X: | lo\ |
| [23:50:01] | gbee: | iamlindoro: I'm not really sure, it's ok on the right at the bottom but at the left behind the images it works less well, maybe put a solid background on the left? |
| [23:50:27] | ** gbee shrugs ** | |
| [23:50:44] | janneg: | iamlindoro: the hvr1800 is actually based on the same chip as the original ivtv cards |
| [23:50:47] | janneg: | CX2341x |
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| [23:51:19] | iamlindoro: | janneg, *shrug*, not covered by the ivtv driver, though |
| [23:51:34] | SHADOW__X: | because SHADOW__X bought one thats why |
| [23:53:04] | iamlindoro: | gbee, http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB-fanart2.png splits the difference a bit |
| [23:53:31] | janneg: | iamlindoro: it uses the same cx2341x modlue as ivtv for mpeg2 encoder handling |
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| [23:54:45] | gbee: | maybe move the unselected banners in from the left, so that the selected one is centred? With a drop shadow? |
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| [23:55:41] | iamlindoro: | Yes, that's nice (although rather than a drop shadow I'll likely use the same selector style from the gallery view) |
| [23:56:15] | i_is_cat: | well i got mythtv up and running with my saa7134 card but the audio sounds like the chipmunks its super fast and high pitched |
| [23:56:21] | iamlindoro: | gbee, see http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB-fanart3.png |
| [23:56:21] | i_is_cat: | anyone know what would cause that? |
| [23:56:59] | gbee: | iamlindoro: yeah I like the banners better like that :) |
| [23:57:07] | iamlindoro: | me too, good suggestion |
| [23:57:08] | iamlindoro: | thanks |
| [23:57:55] | SHADOW__X: | that does look good |
| [23:58:03] | SHADOW__X: | i would like to see a theme like that |
| [23:58:13] | SHADOW__X: | shut up other dvr users |
| [23:58:22] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW__X, see also http://www.fecitfacta.com/MVplay2.png |
| [23:58:23] | iamlindoro: | :) |
| [23:58:29] | iamlindoro: | (Whichis actually working right now) |
| [23:58:34] | gbee: | and add a line on the other side of the "Record On" label, matching the line from the edge of the grey area to the left of the Episode? Just to help define it better |
| [23:58:36] | SHADOW__X: | wow |
| [23:58:38] | SHADOW__X: | pretty nice |
| [23:58:53] | SHADOW__X: | do you manually have to add all the thumbnails thoug |
| [23:59:12] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW__X, As with myth currently they're added by the imdb/tmdb/etc metadata grabber |
| [23:59:25] | SHADOW__X: | hmm |
| [23:59:28] | SHADOW__X: | i should re ad up on that |
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