| Monday, December 29th, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:51] | iamlindoro: | yes, posters/video paths/etc need to be identical mountpoints on all frontends |
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| [00:02:09] | venger: | ok that media setting threw me off a bit as it was defaulted to /home/<user in mythtv group/.mythtv/MythVideo and the old format is /home/mythtv/mythposters |
| [00:02:45] | Torne: | any idea what would cause remote control input to be really slow? like, taking half a second to actually notice i've pressed a button? it seems to work instantly in ircat |
| [00:03:04] | gbee: | Torne: running latest version of 0.21? |
| [00:03:20] | Torne: | 0.21, whichever version is in ubuntu |
| [00:03:30] | gbee: | --version |
| [00:03:51] | Torne: | 18722? |
| [00:04:59] | gbee: | there was an bug affecting some systems where lirc events would get delayed, think it's now fixed but honestly I'm not sure if the patch has been committed yet |
| [00:05:23] | Torne: | hmm |
| [00:05:31] | Torne: | it actually seems to make video playback jerk, too |
| [00:05:33] | LabMonkey: | hrm |
| [00:05:37] | LabMonkey: | wonder if I've got the same bug |
| [00:05:55] | gbee: | Torne: that's over two months old, might want to look to see if there is a newer package (there should be) |
| [00:06:17] | Torne: | it's the newest one in intrepid |
| [00:06:22] | gbee: | laga: what's the most recent package? |
| [00:06:33] | gbee: | Torne: must be an update repo? |
| [00:06:38] | LabMonkey: | only difference is... it works fine on lirc input until it suddenly freezes like X is no longer receiving input from the remote... hangs there at 100% cpu for a few minutes, then Oopses and I have to reboot to get a stable system again |
| [00:06:59] | gbee: | I thought laga/superm were pushing out updated packages fairly regularly |
| [00:07:04] | Torne: | jaunty has a newer one |
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| [00:07:14] | Torne: | but there's no guarantee its dependencies will be satisfied |
| [00:07:20] | Torne: | jaunty has 19136 |
| [00:07:32] | gbee: | LabMonkey: in that case no, it's unlikely to be the same issue – mythtv can't make the kernel crash |
| [00:07:34] | Torne: | and i'd rather not upgrade the whole machine :) |
| [00:07:53] | ** Torne is searching for the bug ** | |
| [00:08:10] | venger: | Torne, ooc are you using builtin support or lircd |
| [00:08:12] | LabMonkey: | gbee: yeah it's either lirc or the nvidia module that's doing it... it just didn't start until I went from 0.20 to 0.21 |
| [00:08:27] | Torne: | venger: i'm running lircd, but i'm not doing irxevent |
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| [00:09:08] | gbee: | Torne: related to the way that we stopped the gnome screensaver |
| [00:09:55] | Torne: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5893 |
| [00:09:57] | Torne: | looks like it |
| [00:10:33] | gbee: | yeah that's it ... heh, I couldn't remember if it had been committed |
| [00:10:40] | gbee: | and I committed it .... |
| [00:10:41] | Torne: | committed in 19222 |
| [00:10:46] | Torne: | so it's not even in the jaunty package |
| [00:10:52] | gbee: | to -fixes yup |
| [00:10:55] | Torne: | :( |
| [00:11:14] | venger: | wouldn't that be built-in support as opposed to the ext daemon? |
| [00:11:18] | iamlindoro: | AFAIK mythbuntu still has a weekly fixes repos |
| [00:11:26] | Torne: | venger: you still use lircd either way |
| [00:11:45] | venger: | ya |
| [00:12:02] | Torne: | so hm, i guess it would work if i switched to irxevent |
| [00:12:07] | gbee: | venger: both internal and external used lircd, but external requires you use irxevent |
| [00:12:30] | gbee: | which is a right pain when it means changing configs |
| [00:12:36] | venger: | ya i recall seeing it deal with lircd in the logs now |
| [00:13:04] | Torne: | so i could reconfigure it to irxevent, or add the muthbuntu weekly build repo and update |
| [00:13:23] | Torne: | what's the actual downside to using irxevent? the manual suggests internal is better but doesn't really explain why :) |
| [00:13:46] | venger: | Torne, or rename gnome-screensaver-command for a test? |
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| [00:14:38] | ** Torne tries that :) ** | |
| [00:15:25] | venger: | hell if it complains make an exit 0 script with the same name |
| [00:15:31] | Torne: | yeah, diverting that fixes it |
| [00:15:59] | gbee: | can't really remember why we recommend internal over irxevent, configuration and/or behaviour may be simpler, less focus issues for example |
| [00:16:13] | Torne: | gbee: true.. |
| [00:16:49] | Torne: | i don't have a screensaver anyway |
| [00:16:55] | gbee: | irxevent fakes keypresses which requires mythtv to always have focus, the internal doesn't since the events are passed directly by the daemon |
| [00:16:59] | Torne: | so, i can live with diverting it :) |
| [00:17:14] | Torne: | if it's completely absent i should probably notice if something expects to call it |
| [00:17:42] | gbee: | if it can't find it then it won't even try running it |
| [00:17:54] | Torne: | yah, i meant things other than myth |
| [00:17:59] | gbee: | ah |
| [00:18:00] | Torne: | i have a gnome desktop on here too |
| [00:18:19] | Torne: | but no screensaver, just DPMS, so hey |
| [00:19:06] | Torne: | actually, no DPMS either |
| [00:19:16] | Torne: | i guess i was assuming people would turn the tv off when they weren't using it :) |
| [00:19:59] | venger: | or you got tired of it going black while you were watching it |
| [00:20:10] | Torne: | anyway, thanks. this is a good enough fix for now, and I know where to find the patch if i need it later |
| [00:20:17] | Torne: | very helpful :) |
| [00:20:34] | Torne: | i'm very pleased with myth, btw. thanks a lot everyone! |
| [00:20:56] | Torne: | my parents appreciate the ability to record five channels at a time :) |
| [00:22:22] | test1: | ? when i try to record 2 channel it says that there is a conflict.. |
| [00:22:34] | gbee: | test1: digital? |
| [00:22:42] | test1: | no |
| [00:22:47] | test1: | analogic .. |
| [00:23:06] | gbee: | right, only works with digital tuners and only for channels on the same multiplex |
| [00:23:15] | gbee: | unless you have multiple cards |
| [00:23:16] | Torne: | test1: i have three DVB tuners |
| [00:23:18] | test1: | ok.. got it ty |
| [00:23:44] | test1: | a stupid question ... |
| [00:23:56] | test1: | can my old old tv be a front end ? |
| [00:23:57] | gbee: | I've three cards, capable of recording ~15 or more channels at once |
| [00:24:14] | Torne: | gbee: i've not tried increasing the channels per tuner |
| [00:24:27] | Torne: | gbee: we don't have that many channels, so i'm figuring two is enough :) |
| [00:24:34] | gbee: | Torne: can't hurt though |
| [00:24:50] | Torne: | i dunno, bus bandwidth? how big is a channel? |
| [00:24:54] | Torne: | two cards, one dual tuner |
| [00:24:56] | gbee: | only reason we limit it and allow the user to configure is disk IO |
| [00:24:57] | Torne: | both plain PCI |
| [00:25:05] | K`zan: | Tesing to connect a frontend (on this box) to the backend on another box and I am having zero luck getting the database to connect – got the passwords sync'd and the port (from ps) but the frontend can't find it, any suggestions appreciated! |
| [00:25:20] | Torne: | also have only two disks, though they are quite fast |
| [00:25:21] | K`zan: | s/Tesing/Trying/ |
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| [00:26:11] | test1: | can my old old tv be a front end ? |
| [00:26:24] | Torne: | test1: if you connect a PC to it :) |
| [00:26:39] | gbee: | Torne: the filtering, removal of other channels etc, is done on the software side – so whether you are recording one or 5 channels, the same amount of data passes across the bus |
| [00:26:55] | Torne: | gbee: oh, didn't realise that! |
| [00:27:15] | ** gbee waits for someone to correct him ** | |
| [00:27:23] | K`zan: | Will be googling but checking here too :) |
| [00:27:31] | GreyFoxx: | Some cards will do hardware filtering |
| [00:27:33] | ** waxhead is rapt with archiving to DVD... ** | |
| [00:27:36] | test1: | K`zan: did u checked IP adress? |
| [00:27:56] | K`zan: | Yes Sir |
| [00:28:03] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: aye, but not all |
| [00:28:29] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [00:28:31] | gbee: | at least I didn't believe that was the case |
| [00:28:37] | GreyFoxx: | so a lot of software just does it by itslef |
| [00:28:40] | test1: | K`zan: firewall off? |
| [00:28:56] | Torne: | i doubt even my folks are gonna need to record more than two channels on each of three muxes at once |
| [00:29:04] | Torne: | given that they only have UK freeview |
| [00:29:04] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: can you turn your TV on/off via the serial port? |
| [00:29:10] | K`zan: | test1: On the LAN – no firewall involved. |
| [00:29:11] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [00:29:21] | GreyFoxx: | ./tv.pl poweron |
| [00:29:23] | GreyFoxx: | and so on |
| [00:29:26] | dustybin: | yep thats it |
| [00:29:29] | dustybin: | i remember ages ago |
| [00:29:31] | test1: | K`zan: k.. sry duno |
| [00:29:44] | Torne: | anyway, thanks folks |
| [00:29:51] | K`zan: | test1: Perhaps I need to add the network to /etc/hosts.allow on the myth box?!? |
| [00:29:51] | Torne: | gonna go finish setting up stuff :) |
| [00:29:55] | Torne: | remote seems much happier now |
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| [00:30:20] | GreyFoxx: | It's handy when I can't find the rmote |
| [00:30:59] | test1: | duno |
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| [01:25:26] | diamond: | Anyone know how to get the svideo out of a X1650 to work on ubuntu? |
| [01:26:13] | wagnerrp: | replace it with an nvidia chip |
| [01:26:36] | wagnerrp: | the FGLRX drivers are available for ati cards |
| [01:26:43] | wagnerrp: | you should be able to get it working with those |
| [01:26:55] | wagnerrp: | although i know not the config directives that you need |
| [01:27:22] | diamond: | I'm already using the FGLRX drivers |
| [01:27:31] | diamond: | With nvidia, theres a nice Cpanel for that |
| [01:27:57] | diamond: | but I have no idea what to do with an ATI card... |
| [01:27:59] | wagnerrp: | cpanel? |
| [01:28:15] | diamond: | a control panel |
| [01:28:29] | diamond: | a setting tool |
| [01:28:38] | diamond: | whatever you call it |
| [01:28:44] | wagnerrp: | well they have a 'nvidia-xsettings', but (nearly) all that does is rewrite your xorg.conf |
| [01:29:24] | diamond: | yea but its pretty easy to use. |
| [01:29:38] | wagnerrp: | unless youre using svideo |
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| [01:30:13] | venger: | anyone using xfce4 (xubuntu) know how to add a program to be auto started? just created a new install new distro from debian w/older xfce and something has changed |
| [01:30:40] | wagnerrp: | is this a dedicated mythtv box? |
| [01:31:04] | diamond: | No, not dedicated |
| [01:31:41] | wagnerrp: | if youre using svideo, either youre running the proper resolution and nvidia-xsettings does not fit on screen, or youre using too high a resolution and nvidia-xsettings is illegible anyway |
| [01:31:46] | wagnerrp: | and the question was at venger |
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| [01:32:16] | wagnerrp: | if youre not using the machine for anything else, drop xfce and x/g/kdm all together |
| [01:32:33] | wagnerrp: | use a little init script to su to the proper user, startx, and run mythtv |
| [01:32:54] | wagnerrp: | if you want, run a VERY minimal window manager like evilwm or ratpoison |
| [01:33:24] | wagnerrp: | you can do the same thing with some tty magic (instead of an init script) |
| [01:33:42] | diamond: | oh lol |
| [01:33:57] | diamond: | aite reboot time |
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| [01:34:13] | iamlindoro: | Mmm, yeah, like when they shake them or jump rope |
| [01:34:15] | venger: | or just save session on logout or use a .xinitrc i guess |
| [01:34:19] | iamlindoro: | oh, *tty* magic |
| [01:34:45] | wagnerrp: | if you use a *dm, the .xinitrc is ignored |
| [01:37:00] | iamlindoro: | !seen kormoc |
| [01:37:00] | MythLogBot: | kormoc was last seen 2 days 39 minutes 10 seconds ago |
| [01:37:04] | iamlindoro: | garrrr |
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| [01:51:17] | venger: | wagnerrp, on my older install i have append="AutoLogin=mythtv" in lilo.conf but i cannot figure out what i did to the user to get it to work, nothing in inittab seems changed |
| [01:53:45] | Dagmar: | Autologin isn't needed. |
| [01:54:25] | venger: | oh alright, its a /boot/init-vc-1 script |
| [01:55:13] | Dagmar: | Figure out what runlevel your machine boots to GDM from, clone the start scripts for that runlevel as the one that's not used (4 or 5), then change the script that would normally start gdm/xdm to simply change userids to the mythtv user, then `startx`. |
| [01:55:25] | Dagmar: | From there, X will run ~/.xinitrc |
| [01:55:58] | wagnerrp: | i do something very similar to that |
| [01:56:26] | venger: | ill keep it in mind if i decided to go back to using a *dm |
| [01:56:41] | wagnerrp: | no, we are saying you DONT use a *dm |
| [01:56:53] | wagnerrp: | instead you just su and startx directly in the init scripts |
| [01:58:06] | Dagmar: | Let me make something perfectly clear. |
| [01:58:13] | Dagmar: | A login "session" is a fiction. It's an illusion. |
| [01:58:17] | venger: | its not needed i see what you are saying |
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| [02:31:37] | squish102: | anyone know why, when doing a search on mythweb in chrome i get a "400 Bad Request", works fine in firefox |
| [02:31:58] | squish102: | let me go check if it is listed as a bug |
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| [02:38:13] | iamlindoro: | Presumably you mean bug in chrome |
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| [02:43:34] | venger: | cannot figure out why i'm getting lircd-0.8.3[6560]: caught signal and then lircd, etc all exit |
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| [02:54:46] | K`zan: | Is thee something you have to tell the backend box so you can connect to it from another box running the frontend? |
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| [02:56:40] | iamlindoro__: | your user needs SQL permissions set properly to allow connections from the client machine, and needs bind-address set to a real IP, and the mythbackend IP needs to be set to a real reachable IP in mythtv-setup instead of 127.0.0.1 |
| [02:56:46] | iamlindoro__: | all in the manual... |
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| [02:57:02] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall |
| [02:58:05] | K`zan: | iamlindoro: OK, just ran the sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common thing and set the password and machine there on this (frontend) machine. |
| [02:58:22] | iamlindoro__: | What's that got to do with anything? |
| [02:58:40] | K`zan: | Apparently nothing. |
| [02:58:52] | iamlindoro__: | exactly |
| [02:59:20] | K`zan: | Useful, lemme go dig in the manual. Not sure if it would be myth or the sql manual, but we'll see. Thanks. |
| [03:02:33] | heyheyhey: | has anyone goten schedules direct icons to download? |
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| [03:05:30] | xris: | SD doesn't have icons |
| [03:05:49] | heyheyhey: | channel icons? |
| [03:05:57] | xris: | nope. you get those through mythtv |
| [03:07:06] | heyheyhey: | yeah can't find 3/4 of them |
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| [03:07:58] | xris: | you should still be able to search and pick one. |
| [03:08:12] | heyheyhey: | okay |
| [03:08:22] | xris: | I'm only familiar with the CLI channel icon grabber.. not sure what features were actually added to the final version in mythtv. |
| [03:08:41] | heyheyhey: | i see |
| [03:08:46] | xris: | I still wish someone would add a "download this icon" command to the backed so I could add a search to mythweb. |
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| [03:09:29] | heyheyhey: | yeah |
| [03:10:52] | xris: | you could always use the commandline search script if you're having trouble. |
| [03:11:47] | heyheyhey: | yeah 700 channels 680 icons can't be found lol |
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| [03:13:55] | iamlindoro__: | xris: Are you as much of a SQL guru as kormoc? |
| [03:15:34] | xris: | probably close |
| [03:15:46] | xris: | he uses it a bit more in his daily life these days than I do |
| [03:15:51] | iamlindoro__: | Any chance I can pick your brain on how to do a certain query right? |
| [03:15:57] | iamlindoro__: | for #6032 |
| [03:16:25] | iamlindoro__: | I discussed it with him about 6 weeks ago and he pastebinned something for me but it's expired and I failed to copy it into my notes |
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| [03:17:20] | iamlindoro__: | Right now ProgramInfo::GetHeight pulls in the highest resolution from the height field in recordedmarkup. Fine, works good, all my channels (and most other peoples) are constant res |
| [03:17:43] | xris: | ok |
| [03:17:44] | iamlindoro__: | I just would like to make the query future/corner case proof by making it account for any changes |
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| [03:18:31] | xris: | not sure what you mean.. |
| [03:18:58] | iamlindoro__: | When I last chatted with kormoc about it, he proposed something with subqueries that more or less evaluated the number of frames spent at a given resolution, and returned the value where the highest # of frames were |
| [03:18:59] | xris: | future proof for changes in sql, or for avoiding early/late recording edges that might have different res? |
| [03:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cause that cpu should easily handle SDTV and HDTV mpeg2 ... h264 I couldn't say |
| [03:19:01] | GreyFoxx: | Cause that cpu should easily handle SDTV and HDTV mpeg2 ... h264 I couldn't say |
| [03:19:27] | iamlindoro__: | xris: to account for cases where resolution might change mid-stream |
| [03:20:27] | iamlindoro__: | xris: resolution changes are now stored in recordedmarkup, so if it went from, say 1280x720 to 1920x1080, it would record it as a mark (30 = horizontal, 31 = vertical) in recordedmarkup |
| [03:21:01] | iamlindoro__: | so the question is, how to I query the resolutions in recordedmarkup and evaluate the greatest number of frames spent at a given resolution and return that as the first value? |
| [03:21:14] | GreyFoxx: | wtf |
| [03:21:17] | iamlindoro__: | Hang, on, will give you log from that time too |
| [03:21:21] | GreyFoxx: | where did that cut n paste come from heh |
| [03:21:28] | xris: | iamlindoro__: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql/155037 |
| [03:21:31] | xris: | you probably want "mode" |
| [03:21:41] | xris: | assuming the recordedmarkup stuff works like I think it does |
| [03:21:58] | iamlindoro: | xris, But it's not regularly reported, it's reported *only* on the frame it changes |
| [03:22:06] | xris: | ah |
| [03:22:23] | iamlindoro: | otherwise, yeah, it'd be easy, hang on a sec |
| [03:22:31] | xris: | then yeah, you'd need a subquery to build a list of times between changes.. |
| [03:22:48] | iamlindoro: | xris, http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythlog_iamlindoro.txt |
| [03:22:54] | iamlindoro: | See the discussion at/around 20:30 |
| [03:23:18] | iamlindoro: | The pastebin (now expired) is where he pastebinned exactly what I wanted/needed |
| [03:23:42] | xris: | ah |
| [03:23:42] | iamlindoro: | particularly his remarks as of about 20:32 |
| [03:24:07] | xris: | yeah, I know more or less how to do it, but my brain can't do the actual work at the moment (too many other things going on) |
| [03:24:18] | iamlindoro: | ok |
| [03:24:18] | xris: | not sure if he went away for christmas or not |
| [03:24:21] | iamlindoro: | thanks anyway |
| [03:24:39] | iamlindoro: | yes, he's been out a few days |
| [03:24:41] | xris: | sorry, wish I could help more |
| [03:24:49] | xris: | yeah, he logged out of everything on the 24th |
| [03:25:10] | iamlindoro: | okay, I'll see if he can help when he gets back, I appreciate it |
| [03:25:22] | xris: | I figured he was just going up north to hang with some friends he often spends the holidays with. but he might have gone home to PA.. or up to canada to visit a girl |
| [03:25:49] | xris: | he may also just be moving.. I know he signed a new lease recently and is moving across town |
| [03:25:59] | xris: | ok, time to track down some food... |
| [03:26:07] | iamlindoro: | no worries, 99% of the work is done, would just like to account for the maybe-possible-case of changing res |
| [03:26:44] | iamlindoro: | thanks |
| [03:27:49] | Dagmar: | Outsource the risk to your next door neighbor for a fee. |
| [03:28:31] | Dagmar: | ...and then when the video fails, call your senator and tell them you need a bailout |
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| [03:36:37] | iamlindoro: | HA |
| [03:36:40] | iamlindoro: | speak of the devil |
| [03:37:21] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Once you're settled in and ready to be assailed with my queries, see the log of the last 20 minutes :) |
| [03:37:41] | iamlindoro: | referencing my ticket #6032 |
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| [03:39:23] | kormoc: | Howdy |
| [03:40:00] | academy: | I have a program I watched entirely on livetv and a few hours later it's still in the livetv group in mythweb. Can I now convert it to a recording in mythweb? |
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| [03:40:40] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, Ahh, I remember that query, one minute |
| [03:40:50] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Awesome! Thanks |
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| [03:41:37] | iamlindoro: | academy, Click on the recording, expand the advanced options |
| [03:41:46] | iamlindoro: | change any dropdown that says "live TV" to "default" |
| [03:42:10] | iamlindoro: | Which may or Playback group should be what you want |
| [03:42:21] | iamlindoro: | s/Which May or// |
| [03:42:26] | academy: | iamlindoro: I only transcode/flag |
| [03:42:28] | academy: | *see |
| [03:42:30] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, SELECT mark, (SELECT rm.mark FROM recordedmarkup AS rm WHERE rm.starttime = recordedmarkup.starttime AND rm.mark > recordedmarkup.mark ORDER BY rm.mark ASC LIMIT 1) AS `nextmark` FROM recordedmarkup WHERE starttime = "2008-12–28 18:30:00"; |
| [03:42:36] | academy: | under queue a job |
| [03:42:54] | iamlindoro: | academy, *expand the advanced options* |
| [03:42:56] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, I believe that was bout right |
| [03:43:14] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Awesome, thanks, I will give it a shot |
| [03:43:33] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, what is rm? |
| [03:43:35] | academy: | iamlindoro: there are none. I've even searched the page. |
| [03:43:50] | academy: | I get the flash player, asx stream, direct download and queue jobs |
| [03:44:13] | iamlindoro: | oh, recordedmarkup, duh |
| [03:44:24] | iamlindoro: | academy, are you on some old version of myth? |
| [03:44:35] | academy: | iamlindoro: I'm using trunk 19435 iirc. |
| [03:44:43] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, table alias, so the main query is using recordedmarkup, so in the subquery you can reference external tables, so we'd have a table that's referenced twice, so you have to alias one of the two, and I always alias subqueries if I have to alias anything |
| [03:44:49] | iamlindoro: | Then you are not looking hard enough or something is broken |
| [03:45:23] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, ah, okay, that's the first part of the SELECT in parenthesis then |
| [03:45:33] | academy: | I'll try recopying in mythweb incase it's from my old 0.21.x build |
| [03:45:56] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, this one will actually likely help you more, SELECT mark, (SELECT rm.mark FROM recordedmarkup AS rm WHERE rm.starttime = recordedmarkup.starttime AND rm.mark > recordedmarkup.mark AND rm.type = recordedmarkup.type ORDER BY rm.mark ASC LIMIT 1) AS `nextmark`, recordedmarkup.type FROM recordedmarkup WHERE starttime = "2008-12–28 18:30:00"; |
| [03:46:11] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Will give this a shot-- unfortunately I'll just ahve to hope it'll work in the case of mid-stream resolution changes as I have no way to test |
| [03:46:13] | kormoc: | add in the recordedmarkup.type = x in the where statement and it should match up nicely |
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| [03:46:51] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Should there not be a chanid in there too? |
| [03:46:59] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [03:47:32] | iamlindoro: | and how to limit to only mark type 31? |
| [03:47:38] | iamlindoro: | (sorry to barrage you) |
| [03:48:11] | kormoc: | right before the ; add in AND recordedmarkup.type = 31 |
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| [03:48:37] | iamlindoro: | and AND where chanid = '1234' before that I assume |
| [03:48:47] | kormoc: | aye |
| [03:48:51] | iamlindoro: | Sweet! |
| [03:48:53] | kormoc: | well, no where |
| [03:48:55] | iamlindoro: | Thanks so very much |
| [03:48:56] | kormoc: | only say WHERE once :P |
| [03:49:03] | iamlindoro: | gotcha |
| [03:49:05] | kormoc: | you're quite welcome |
| [03:49:29] | kormoc: | Just keep in mind, the nextmark subquery can be null, so have to handle that |
| [03:49:36] | kormoc: | as the last mark will have no next mark |
| [03:50:07] | iamlindoro: | I only need the first match, really, can I add LIMIT 1 and not worry about it? |
| [03:50:14] | kormoc: | What we can do is have it default to the same mark (thus having a range of 0 frames) or however it wants |
| [03:50:16] | academy: | iamlindoro: I've just coppied mythweb from a fresh checkout and there's still no box. I'm looking at mythweb/tv/detail/641/1230494400 |
| [03:50:17] | kormoc: | sure |
| [03:50:25] | kormoc: | assuming that there's more then one mark :) |
| [03:50:38] | kormoc: | just keep it in mind that you might get that as a null |
| [03:50:41] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Hmmm, in most of my cases there will only be the one mark, what will happen? |
| [03:50:50] | iamlindoro: | ie, a mark on the first fram and no more |
| [03:50:59] | kormoc: | mark = 1, nextmark = null |
| [03:51:56] | kormoc: | want that to be mark=1, nextmark=1? |
| [03:52:21] | iamlindoro: | I guess I don't quite know what I should want |
| [03:52:36] | iamlindoro: | I want the query to return the value of the mark where most of the frames were |
| [03:52:46] | kormoc: | okay, let me write up something quick... |
| [03:53:14] | kormoc: | based on the data column? |
| [03:53:20] | iamlindoro: | Hang on a sec |
| [03:54:07] | iamlindoro: | http://rafb.net/p/b14q8E73.html |
| [03:54:10] | iamlindoro: | That's the query ATM |
| [03:54:39] | kormoc: | so you want the data of the one with the most frames? |
| [03:54:45] | iamlindoro: | exactly |
| [03:54:53] | kormoc: | kk, let me write up one real quick |
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| [03:55:30] | iamlindoro: | (Which, I think, ought to be a fair assumption in the case of a show that might have commercials of different resolutions) |
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| [03:56:45] | academy: | Is is possible to disable advanced options anywhere for recordings? I don't seem to have any. |
| [03:57:26] | GreyFoxx: | no |
| [03:57:33] | GreyFoxx: | and define "advanced" options :) |
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| [03:58:12] | academy: | GreyFoxx: the dropdown section on mythweb on recordings |
| [03:58:39] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh ok. I thought you meant in the mythfrontend app itself |
| [03:58:55] | academy: | I'm sure they used to be here... |
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| [04:00:07] | academy: | This is the right page isn't it? /mythweb/tv/detail/641/1230494400 |
| [04:01:10] | iamlindoro: | academy, Did you press ctrl-G and search for the word "advanced?" |
| [04:01:16] | iamlindoro: | er ctrl-f |
| [04:01:52] | iamlindoro: | oh, duh, those only work on in-progress recordings |
| [04:01:57] | iamlindoro: | you need to use actual mythfrontend |
| [04:02:10] | academy: | iamlindoro: ahh thanks, glad I wasn't going mad :) |
| [04:02:10] | iamlindoro: | open the context menu on the live TV recording and change the playback group |
| [04:02:15] | academy: | Can I do it in the db? |
| [04:02:28] | iamlindoro: | you probably could, but why risk breaking things? |
| [04:02:47] | academy: | Ok, I'll do it in the morning; cheers. |
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| [04:02:57] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [04:05:26] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, try this, http://pastebin.com/f60c7aa2e |
| [04:06:30] | iamlindoro: | Holy SQL query! |
| [04:06:34] | iamlindoro: | Thanks, will try right now :) |
| [04:06:59] | kormoc: | Ooh, I should fix the indexes... |
| [04:07:10] | wagnerrp: | heh, never even thought of ordering by another query |
| [04:07:57] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, http://pastebin.com/f345f5827 |
| [04:08:14] | kormoc: | there, the subquery also uses the indexes, should be exactly what you want I believe |
| [04:08:26] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, Heh, I've done weirder :) |
| [04:08:46] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, You are the man, can't underestimate my thanks |
| [04:08:50] | iamlindoro: | trying now |
| [04:09:16] | wagnerrp: | most complex ive ever done was joining data between multiple tables based off a common key |
| [04:09:20] | kormoc: | also, I don't know why it's making recordedmarkup.data uppercase, it's weird |
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| [04:12:47] | GreyFoxx: | At least noone that can fix anything important :) |
| [04:14:12] | GreyFoxx: | haha now I know where it's from |
| [04:14:27] | GreyFoxx: | my laptop is reading the signals from my remote and taking them as keystrokes |
| [04:14:40] | kormoc: | hadeees, nice |
| [04:14:49] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, That seems to be the trick, thanks. At the least it returns the correct value on my static-res stuff and we can say I did my best to account for variable-resolution :) |
| [04:14:51] | kormoc: | ugh, nick autocomplete for the loss |
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| [04:15:14] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, You're quite welcome, I really love SQL, so it was a fun puzzle :) |
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| [04:15:54] | iamlindoro: | That makes one of us ;) |
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| [04:16:27] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, so the only oddness is the ending frame markup will always be considered a length of 0 frames, as we don't know how many total frames there are, that does mean that if we have the starting res at one value for a commercial and then it switches to the show res for the entire rest of the show, it'll pull out the wrong res |
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| [04:16:57] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, the only real easy fix would be to add a new mark type indicating exact frame end of recording or similar that we could pull out for the ending mark duration |
| [04:17:03] | iamlindoro: | hm. I can live with that, it'll still catch 99.9% of cases in my mind |
| [04:17:34] | kormoc: | Aye, I also figure if one commercial changes the res, it's likely the rest would as well |
| [04:17:56] | iamlindoro: | or at least *one* will somewhere in there |
| [04:18:05] | kormoc: | Yeah |
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| [04:24:22] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Sweet, works as expected, thanks again |
| [04:25:03] | kormoc: | :) |
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| [09:06:12] | oxyis: | I have a problem with scanning channels. Just setup a box to get free DVB-T channels in Norway. I have been able to find the transponder via w_scan, dvb scan and mythtv-setup own transponder search, but when mythtv-setup is about to insert the channels via scan or channels.conf it just skips all the channels with the message "off-air?". I know the channels are not off air, as I am able to get them working with vlc or tzap. I can't seem to find any refer |
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| [09:20:34] | octavsly: | Did you check the messages in /var/log/messages. It might be an issue with the driver |
| [09:20:54] | octavsly: | Also did you try kaffeine. You need to first stop mythtv backend |
| [09:21:45] | octavsly: | Kaffeine has a DVB-T icon when it starts which appears only If mythtbackend is stopped (card needs to be free) |
| [09:22:03] | octavsly: | It also has a nice scanning engine. |
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| [09:22:44] | oxyis: | ok, I am sure the backend isn't running, but I will try kaffeine and look at the logs |
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| [09:30:22] | oxyis: | hmm, found this in messages; DVB: frontend 0 frequency 11954000 out of range (174000000..862000000) |
| [09:31:49] | oxyis: | but all my transponders are within the given range, so it might just be the probing |
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| [09:35:59] | oxyis: | I am getting a picture if i load the channels.conf in vlc and tries to view, so I am guessing the driver works pretty good, the problem is to get the same setup in myth, I hope myth will be able to lock the channels if i just get the channels into the config, but mythtv-setup just won't do it. i am currently looking at adding the config in mysql manually, but I am having problems setting the correct settings for both the dtv_multiplex and channels table |
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| [09:39:45] | octavsly: | So basicaly 11954000 is nowhere in your settings |
| [09:39:49] | octavsly: | since this is wrong |
| [09:40:26] | ** octavsly is back ** | |
| [09:40:31] | stuarta: | oxyis: this a dvb-s setup? |
| [09:40:42] | oxyis: | dvb-t |
| [09:40:55] | ** octavsly is back ** | |
| [09:41:28] | oxyis: | octavsly: 11954000 is not used by any transponder |
| [09:41:31] | octavsly: | Frequency is in Hz |
| [09:41:46] | octavsly: | then it's OK |
| [09:43:15] | stuarta: | have you tried a full scan? |
| [09:43:58] | oxyis: | yepp, same result as using a channels.conf from w_scan or dvbscan |
| [09:45:08] | oxyis: | just to let you know, the norwegian dvb-t is a bit different, video encoding is H.264, audio is HE-AAC, might this create problems, the transmission stream is suppose to be an MPEG-2 TS |
| [09:45:18] | stuarta: | k |
| [09:46:06] | ** octavsly is away: shopping ** | |
| [09:46:56] | oxyis: | almost same DVB-T as new zealand, (http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/category/freeview/) |
| [09:47:13] | stuarta: | the video and audio encoding shouldn't affect finding the channels |
| [09:47:36] | oxyis: | i know |
| [09:48:17] | stuarta: | is it UHF or VHF frequencies in use? |
| [09:48:28] | stuarta: | cause 11954000 looks low to me |
| [09:49:07] | oxyis: | stuarta: my first post before you came; I have a problem with scanning channels. Just setup a box to get free DVB-T channels in Norway. I have been able to find the transponder via w_scan, dvb scan and mythtv-setup own transponder search, but when mythtv-setup is about to insert the channels via scan or channels.conf it just skips all the channels with the message "off-air?". I know the channels are not off air, as I am able to get them working with vlc |
| [09:50:06] | oxyis: | transponders are at; 658000000, 674000000, 682000000 |
| [09:50:28] | stuarta: | that looks better |
| [09:50:43] | oxyis: | line from my channels.conf; NRK2(NTV):658000000:INVERSION_AUTO:BANDWIDTH_8_MHZ:FEC_AUTO:FEC_AUTO:QAM_AUTO:TR ANSMISSION_MODE_AUTO:GUARD_INTERVAL_AUTO:HIERARCHY_AUTO:525:692:102 |
| [09:51:19] | oxyis: | when mythtv-setup scan this, it just skips it |
| [09:51:31] | oxyis: | with that off-air? message |
| [09:51:57] | ** stuarta goes to find the off-air message in the code ** | |
| [09:54:00] | stuarta: | ah! |
| [09:54:15] | stuarta: | !desc->IsDTV() && !desc->IsDigitalAudio() |
| [09:54:23] | stuarta: | && ignoreDataServices |
| [09:54:45] | stuarta: | it's clearly failing the IsDTV() & IsDigitalAudio() checks |
| [09:54:57] | stuarta: | obviously cause of the video and audio codings |
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| [09:55:05] | stuarta: | right |
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| [09:55:21] | oxyis: | and you said the; the video and audio encoding shouldn't affect inding the channels :) |
| [09:55:54] | stuarta: | oxyis: can you run mythtv-setup as 'mythtv-setup --verbose siparser,channel,record | tee dvb-t-norway-setup.log" |
| [09:56:05] | stuarta: | i thought it wouldn't :) |
| [09:56:36] | JonTheNiceGuy: | Hello Everybody :) I wonder if someone can advise me on how I can set up a home *audio* system using mythtv? I want to use a DVB tuner (which supports DAB) and stream that audio to several machines in the house. Does anyone know if this can be done? |
| [09:56:44] | stuarta: | your other option is to find the checkbox that says "ignore data only channels" |
| [09:57:24] | stuarta: | and uncheck it |
| [09:57:35] | stuarta: | that should at least get the channels into myth |
| [09:58:15] | stuarta: | JonTheNiceGuy: that's a bit like trying to crack an egg with a hammer |
| [09:58:16] | oxyis: | ok, I won't be able to test now, but I will do what you said and post back |
| [09:58:25] | stuarta: | k thanks |
| [10:00:03] | JonTheNiceGuy: | stuarta: You're not wrong, but... it's that or invest in either the Philips Stremium boxes or the Sony Gigajuke systems, and frankly, for around £200 per extended box, I'd rather spend £190 on an EEEPC that I can also play films on |
| [10:03:07] | stuarta: | the first thing that springs to mind is for streaming radio around the house something like vlc may be more suitable |
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| [10:03:31] | JonTheNiceGuy: | But, it's got to be simple enough to pass the girlfriend test |
| [10:03:42] | stuarta: | cause you don't actually want to record the streams, just broadcast them out |
| [10:06:57] | JonTheNiceGuy: | I think I'm going to need to work out exactly what I want, and then spec it out. Just vaguely thinking "wouldn't it be nice if I could..." probably won't cut it lol |
| [10:07:04] | JonTheNiceGuy: | I'll be back :D |
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| [10:15:38] | lwizardl: | hi |
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| [10:47:02] | k-man_: | hello |
| [10:47:45] | k-man_: | when i try and create a dvd archive of a recording, i get a strange error about chapters – see here: http://pastebin.ca/1295785 |
| [10:48:07] | k-man_: | ERR: Cannot jump to chapter 9 of title 1, only 8 exist |
| [10:48:17] | k-man_: | any idea how i might fix that? |
| [10:48:44] | k-man_: | the recording has cut points I added to remove the adverts and I am trying to reencode it using projectx |
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| [10:58:32] | dustybin: | k-man_: how are you ripping your dvds? |
| [10:59:06] | dustybin: | ohh archive |
| [11:03:05] | k-man_: | yeah – dvb recordings and i'm trying to archive it |
| [11:06:58] | dustybin: | have a read here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythArchive |
| [11:08:34] | gbee: | k-man_: you might need to ask on the mailing list where Paul, the author of MythArchive can answer the question |
| [11:08:49] | k-man_: | gbee: ok, thanks |
| [11:09:44] | stuarta: | go itv. only putting out program data up till the end of 1st jan |
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| [11:11:20] | waxhead: | i had a crack with mytharchive... |
| [11:11:27] | waxhead: | tried to put too many shows on |
| [11:12:09] | waxhead: | I'm thinking if I try for 6 gig on a 4.7 gig single layer I should be right, rather than 9 gig.. :( |
| [11:12:36] | waxhead: | right time for bed... |
| [11:12:38] | waxhead: | night all |
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| [11:14:27] | gbee: | stuarta: :/ |
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| [11:14:53] | stuarta: | yeah, want to setup a new rule for demons that start on sat :( |
| [11:17:58] | stuarta: | if i queue a transcode from mythweb does it allow me to choose the profile? |
| [11:18:12] | stuarta: | or does it just take the default from the recording schedule? |
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| [11:22:15] | stuarta: | the answer to that is "it uses the default" |
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| [11:23:26] | Torne: | my program table somehow seems to contain two copies of every listing, one of which refers to a chanid that doesn't exist |
| [11:23:47] | Torne: | how can i get rid of them? |
| [11:25:25] | dustybin: | I have a french dvd, and the subtitles are terrible, tiny and small, is there a way to replace those crap subtitles with different fonts, or are subtitles bitmaps on the dvd? |
| [11:25:32] | Torne: | is it safe to truncate the program table and then run mythfilldatabase to recreate it? |
| [11:25:39] | Torne: | dustybin: DVD subs are bitmaps |
| [11:25:45] | dustybin: | oh hell :( |
| [11:25:49] | dustybin: | whoops language |
| [11:28:16] | gbee: | dustybin: DVD subtitles are images |
| [11:28:35] | ** gbee missed the bit where torne already told you that ** | |
| [11:29:33] | gbee: | Torne: you can truncate relatively safely, if you want to cleanup properly you might want to truncate the credits and another table which I can't remember just now |
| [11:29:34] | dustybin: | the subs on this french dvd are tiny yellow fonts, how silly of them |
| [11:29:52] | Torne: | gbee: then mythfilldatabase will trigger rescheduling etc with the new data? |
| [11:30:38] | gbee: | Torne: run mythfilldatabase manually, otherwise it will only run again at the next scheduled slot which could be a few hours away |
| [11:33:08] | dustybin: | I have a move what is: 1.66:1 when i play that back on my 16:9 CRT using mythtv, the whole picture looks like its shrunk down, there are black borders around the whole film, every side, would that be correct for that aspect? |
| [11:33:42] | dustybin: | actually the film says its, letterbox version, so maybe thats how it is |
| [11:33:54] | dustybin: | i need to test on another dvd player |
| [11:38:24] | dustybin: | problem solved, ive turned on aspect ratio overide on in mythtv settings to, 16:9, before that was off |
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| [11:57:36] | laga: | re |
| [11:57:56] | laga: | gbee: we haven't pushed out updates lately, i was way too busy |
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| [12:01:08] | gbee: | laga: sure, I can understand that |
| [12:01:35] | laga: | gbee: do you need a new build? |
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| [12:02:11] | gbee: | laga: there is a very nasty bug, which affects Ubuntu especially (being a Gnome distro) |
| [12:02:33] | gbee: | it would be nice if a build could be done from latest fixes to address this |
| [12:02:47] | laga: | gbee: the screensaver stufF? |
| [12:02:53] | gbee: | aye |
| [12:03:16] | laga: | gbee: i'll put it on my todo list for tonight... |
| [12:03:16] | gbee: | makes the frontend unusable with a remote |
| [12:03:30] | gbee: | laga: thanks |
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| [12:04:20] | laga: | nothing like getting up at 12 on a monday and being tasked with even more stuff ;)) |
| [12:04:41] | stuarta: | slacker |
| [12:04:48] | stuarta: | :-p |
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| [12:06:50] | dustybin: | anybody know how to extract a subtitle stream using ffmpeg? |
| [12:07:32] | dustybin: | -map 0:0 -map 0:* works for video and audio |
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| [12:07:55] | dustybin: | maybe the 3rd map will be subtitles? |
| [12:08:05] | laga: | dustybin: http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=ffmpe . . . e+extraction |
| [12:08:08] | laga: | SCNR |
| [12:08:11] | dustybin: | aye thanks |
| [12:08:20] | dustybin: | hahaha |
| [12:08:27] | dustybin: | i tried that already |
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| [12:16:13] | clever: | laga: neat site |
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| [12:22:42] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7802461.stm |
| [12:24:19] | laga: | dustybin: so what? |
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| [12:26:57] | laga: | it's not about statistics, it's about you. |
| [12:28:31] | dustybin: | haha you sound like iamlindoro_ |
| [12:29:30] | laga: | no, i sound like someone who's taking care of himself :) |
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| [12:43:17] | GlemSom: | mythfilldatabase seems to put in programid and seriesid (even though that is not specified in my xml source). This messes up schedulers (since mythfilldatabase does not put in the correct values) – so can I make mythfilldatabase NOT fill in programid and seriesid? |
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| [12:55:35] | gbee: | GlemSom: it doesn't just make them up, they have to be coming from the xmltv data somewhere |
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| [12:57:59] | gbee: | for certain show types it will try to build a unique programme id based on episode number + season number |
| [13:00:15] | gbee: | GlemSom: if you can, pastebin the xml for an affected show |
| [13:03:56] | GlemSom: | gbee, http://pastebin.com/m70fae122 These two shown have programid: MV4694515 – which is no where to be found in my xml source |
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| [13:07:29] | zig: | hi all, is there a key to control the interlacing mode , without having to go to the menu ? |
| [13:07:45] | zig: | with mythtv 2.1 |
| [13:08:18] | zig: | 0.21 rather |
| [13:08:35] | gbee: | GlemSom: like I said it's based on series id, episode number etc |
| [13:09:00] | gbee: | GlemSom: hmm, MV means that it's identified as a movie |
| [13:09:05] | gbee: | which is clearly wrong |
| [13:09:44] | GlemSom: | yeah – sadly my source defines it as an "cartoon movie" – which is picked up as a movie by the grabber. |
| [13:09:48] | GlemSom: | Could that be a problem? |
| [13:09:48] | gbee: | <category>movie</category> |
| [13:09:59] | gbee: | that's wrong and needs to be fixed in the grabber |
| [13:10:13] | gbee: | but mythtv is behaving correctly |
| [13:10:35] | gbee: | it thinks it's a film and assigns a unique ID based on the title |
| [13:10:49] | GlemSom: | And it ignores the subtitle? |
| [13:11:06] | gbee: | films don't have subtitles |
| [13:11:38] | gbee: | but yeah, if it has a programid it ignores all other duplicate checking, programids are supposed to be unique to a program |
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| [13:16:49] | GlemSom: | gbee, Ok, I edited my xml source to not include the <category>movie</category> for those two shows... Now, programid is not put into the database – though – seriesid still is – which is not uniq? |
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| [13:18:10] | gbee: | seriesid isn't supposed to be unique to an episode, but just the series |
| [13:18:32] | GlemSom: | Ok, great then... :D |
| [13:18:32] | gbee: | so "The Simpsons" should all have the same seriesid |
| [13:19:20] | GlemSom: | Then I'll need to fix the grabber.. (Just noticed that in perl... Which is not one of my strong sides...Guess I'll have to learn a bit of Perl too then) :) |
| [13:21:54] | zig: | is there a file manager plugin for mythtv ? |
| [13:22:07] | zig: | say; to copy files |
| [13:22:38] | laga: | no |
| [13:23:58] | zig: | oh, that's missing |
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| [13:24:40] | zig: | what other tool could be used with an IR remote ? |
| [13:24:48] | zig: | just to copy files |
| [13:26:35] | zig: | IR File Chooser, I'll try this |
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| [13:34:56] | justinh: | IR who what? |
| [13:35:34] | justinh: | hmmm perl::gtk. lovely I'm sur |
| [13:35:35] | justinh: | e |
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| [13:37:21] | gbee: | ugh, if I improve the programid for films then I'll need to include a database update to amend old entries |
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| [13:43:09] | justinh: | heh just found that cx23416 based mpeg2 encoding tuner card I was always going to get around to fettling to work in loonix |
| [13:50:46] | stuarta: | thought they were already supported these days |
| [13:51:25] | justinh: | yeah this one might very well be. I may never find out :) |
| [13:51:49] | stuarta: | good christmas? |
| [13:52:04] | justinh: | had better. you? |
| [13:52:23] | justinh: | having cold always sucks the best of it |
| [13:52:41] | stuarta: | much the same, felt like wearing a bah humbug hat all christmas |
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| [13:59:40] | justinh: | hey, anybody want a load of colour A6 MythTV promotional flyers? |
| [13:59:53] | stuarta: | bin |
| [14:00:41] | justinh: | "coming soon! Stream recordings over the web! Record more than one channel with one tuner card! (Digital tuners only)" |
| [14:00:46] | justinh: | bit out of date. heh |
| [14:01:04] | stuarta: | we did that show what, 2yrs ago? |
| [14:01:30] | justinh: | yeah. I've not touched that shelf for a while |
| [14:01:34] | dustybin: | did you guys wear sandles with long white socks? |
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| [14:01:51] | stuarta: | nah, i just went for the dodgy beard |
| [14:01:55] | dustybin: | heh |
| [14:02:21] | justinh: | dustybin: of course we did. and in preparation, none of us showered, bathed or washed for six weeks beforehand |
| [14:02:27] | dustybin: | LOL |
| [14:02:28] | ** stuarta does some shell fu to rebuild the seektable on a number of recordings ** | |
| [14:02:41] | justinh: | because none of us has any self-respect! |
| [14:02:50] | stuarta: | and then we drank copious amounts of JD |
| [14:03:05] | justinh: | the last part is true. they had to send out for another bottle |
| [14:03:47] | justinh: | at least the craic was great. pity the same couldn't be said of the show itself but hey |
| [14:04:25] | justinh: | I still have nightmares about walking through the door after getting my lunch when the gong-a-thong was on |
| [14:04:42] | stuarta: | bad |
| [14:07:21] | justinh: | question is.. is 2009 going to be the year we venture to deepest Europe? ;-) |
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| [14:07:54] | justinh: | dunno why I'm suddenly full of optimism |
| [14:08:58] | stuarta: | hmmm, i'd like to. budget is likely to say no |
| [14:09:16] | ** stuarta is buying a house that needs "work" ** | |
| [14:09:47] | justinh: | fun! :D |
| [14:10:10] | justinh: | about the only way to get on the ladder these days, would be to be willing to er.. get on a ladder |
| [14:10:11] | stuarta: | oh yes, will leave bugger all time for any mythtv work tho :( |
| [14:10:43] | dustybin: | one shouldnt laugh at people who wear sandles and have long beards, i bet a few are in this channel right now.. |
| [14:10:50] | stuarta: | indeed, ppl wanted far too much money for reasonable houses in crap locations |
| [14:10:51] | justinh: | wth is this little aluminium box with XLR sockets on it... ? |
| [14:11:02] | justinh: | dustybin: yes we should. and people who don't work |
| [14:11:08] | dustybin: | :o |
| [14:11:35] | dustybin: | dont worry, 2009 is my year, ill have a job soon |
| [14:11:39] | justinh: | there's a reason nature makes people unattractive to the opposite sex. we don't need their genes |
| [14:11:58] | dustybin: | lol |
| [14:12:27] | dustybin: | ive spent all morning trying to get ffmpeg subtitle streams working, i was missing scopy dohhhh |
| [14:12:40] | dustybin: | scodec |
| [14:12:57] | justinh: | hmm. Maplin PCB code GE99H |
| [14:13:01] | justinh: | wonder what that is |
| [14:13:10] | stuarta: | jfgi |
| [14:13:23] | justinh: | just did |
| [14:13:28] | justinh: | GDFK ! |
| [14:13:52] | laga: | gdfk? |
| [14:13:53] | stuarta: | eh gads! |
| [14:13:59] | laga: | google doesn't fscking know? |
| [14:14:05] | justinh: | yeh |
| [14:14:26] | justinh: | it looks like some kind of DI box or balanced line transmitter |
| [14:15:22] | stegel: | anyone here in Connecticut |
| [14:15:24] | stegel: | ? |
| [14:15:34] | justinh: | A/S/L ? |
| [14:16:06] | stegel: | haha |
| [14:16:15] | iamlindoro_: | I |
| [14:16:18] | stegel: | i am looking for help with setting up digital channels in hartford |
| [14:16:28] | iamlindoro_: | I'll bet a BILLION DOLLARS that you don't have to be in CT to answer your question |
| [14:16:40] | stegel: | fair enoughb |
| [14:16:46] | stegel: | anyone have comcast |
| [14:17:01] | iamlindoro_: | nor do you need comcast |
| [14:17:02] | stegel: | i can't seem to find any channels when I do a scan via dvb-tools |
| [14:17:16] | justinh: | join #people-with-mo-money-than-sense & ask there :-P |
| [14:17:19] | gbee: | even Maplin don't seem to know, that code returns zero results on their site ;) |
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| [14:17:45] | justinh: | gbee: they stopped selling their own kits ages ago AFAIK |
| [14:18:09] | justinh: | it's either a DI box or balanced line Tx, made my mind up now |
| [14:18:14] | gbee: | I can believe that |
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| [14:18:39] | gbee: | might be imagining it, but they are increasingly selling a lot of tat these days too |
| [14:19:11] | justinh: | Maplin aren't long for this world :-) |
| [14:19:59] | justinh: | like their sales guff used to say, they did really stock some awesome alien tech. proper electromoronics kit |
| [14:20:28] | justinh: | now it's just moronics |
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| [14:20:51] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Patch for the HD resolution stuff is in as #6032 when you have a chance to look at it |
| [14:21:36] | justinh: | anyway stuarta look on the bright side. no more xmas tunes to stick in yer brain :-) |
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| [14:24:06] | stuarta: | and people wonder why woolies went under |
| [14:24:12] | stuarta: | it sold total and utter crap |
| [14:24:22] | directhex: | i don't! it deserved to die! |
| [14:24:30] | stuarta: | that you can get in the local junk shop for a pound |
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| [14:31:15] | justinh: | fiddlesticks! a huge pile of CDs just went down |
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| [14:31:32] | stuarta: | oops |
| [14:32:14] | justinh: | bin fodder anyway |
| [14:32:37] | stuarta: | now if you had planned ahead, the bin would have been in the right spot.... |
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| [14:33:44] | stuarta: | ffs. i *really* need to sit down and fix the lossless transcoder so it doesn't barf with that "deadlock detected" nonsense |
| [14:34:09] | stuarta: | neither pirates of the carribean will losslessly transcode :( |
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| [14:35:37] | dustybin: | subtitles are a nightmware, ive been told that ffmpeg doesnt support subtitles very well |
| [14:36:33] | dustybin: | there might be a way to pipe the subtitle stream using mplayer > ffmpeg |
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| [14:40:35] | stuarta: | \o/ there's another 1.2gb for a few more recordings |
| [14:41:47] | dustybin: | i have a idea, i will just have to leave my subtitle dvds in .iso format, mythtv can play those back like a normal dvd anyway, just means i will have all the extra cack like menus etc |
| [14:45:51] | stuarta: | good plan |
| [14:47:32] | gbee: | stuarta: I'm also unable to lossless transcode Pirates of the Carribean, but because we don't support lossless transcoding of h.264 |
| [14:47:52] | stuarta: | mines the SD version |
| [14:48:03] | stuarta: | was away so couldn't record the HD version |
| [14:48:21] | stuarta: | that must be HUGE btw. |
| [14:48:27] | iamlindoro_: | that's what she said |
| [14:48:29] | stuarta: | it's about 6Gb in |
| [14:48:31] | stuarta: | SD |
| [14:48:40] | gbee: | recorded both, but decided to keep the HD one because although it was 5x the size, it was the full cinema aspect |
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| [14:48:55] | gbee: | well 4x the size then |
| [14:49:03] | gbee: | 22Gb |
| [14:49:11] | stuarta: | heh. 6.3gb |
| [14:49:47] | gbee: | the audio alone is nearly a gig |
| [14:49:48] | stuarta: | w00t, there's another 1.5gb back |
| [14:49:58] | ** stuarta is transcoding stuff remotely ** | |
| [14:50:17] | gbee: | mp3 @ 250Kb/s, ac3 @ 384Kb/s |
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| [14:53:38] | laga: | so, i'm too lazy to STFW. does VC-1 acceleration work with VDPAU on 8xxx GPUs these days? |
| [14:54:50] | iamlindoro_: | only on 8400 GS with a g98 chip |
| [14:54:59] | iamlindoro_: | which would be the latter 8400 GSes |
| [14:55:32] | gbee: | iirc someone saying the 8200/8300 IGPs too |
| [14:55:37] | iamlindoro_: | VC1 also only works on the 9xxx with g98 chips, too |
| [14:55:48] | iamlindoro_: | so basically figure out which core it's using |
| [14:55:55] | gbee: | anyone have a VC1 sample? |
| [14:56:05] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: I can generate all sorts of them |
| [14:56:19] | iamlindoro_: | up to 35 Mbit if you like |
| [14:56:35] | iamlindoro_: | Will upload something |
| [14:56:39] | gbee: | thanks |
| [14:56:53] | laga: | interesting. |
| [14:56:59] | gbee: | all I need is something to test vdpau with |
| [14:57:25] | gbee: | and only then out of curiosity |
| [14:57:46] | iamlindoro_: | uploading a 100 MB sample now |
| [14:58:03] | iamlindoro_: | first 100 MB of The Dark Knight Blu Ray |
| [14:58:12] | jackson__: | laga, my nForce 750a based igp supports VC-1, however the bios will only allocate 256MB max for video memory. |
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| [15:11:10] | ** stuarta beats the transcoder violently ** | |
| [15:13:06] | laga: | stuarta: use projectx? ;) |
| [15:13:30] | stuarta: | no, i want to fix our transcoder so i never ever need to use java |
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| [15:14:16] | ** stuarta entertains himself reading about the fundamentals of OSX graphics programming ** | |
| [15:14:59] | iamlindoro_: | Bug 2077 claims another victim |
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| [15:15:48] | stuarta: | pfft, it's been biting me on the arse for most of that 2 yrs the bugs has been open |
| [15:16:20] | iamlindoro_: | > 2 yrs |
| [15:17:12] | iamlindoro_: | stupid trac stops count months |
| [15:17:16] | stuarta: | technically you can't say it's claimed another victim, since i'm already a victim :-p |
| [15:17:31] | iamlindoro_: | Heh |
| [15:17:44] | quicksilver: | bug 2077 digs its poisonous claws deeper into one of its victims? |
| [15:17:49] | iamlindoro_: | I think it's my least favorite bug, but lord knows I've done what I could to try to solve it |
| [15:18:19] | stuarta: | problem is the code isn't that easy to read and understand atm |
| [15:18:29] | iamlindoro_: | Isn't that the truth |
| [15:20:34] | dustybin: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2007 |
| [15:20:40] | dustybin: | oh 2077 |
| [15:22:46] | quicksilver: | could bug 2077 be related to lipsync going on BBC3 recordings? |
| [15:23:11] | stuarta: | erm no, it's about the lossless transcoder failing |
| [15:23:23] | quicksilver: | yes, but it relates to audio streams coming and going |
| [15:23:32] | quicksilver: | I wondered if lipsync going could also be caused by that. |
| [15:23:33] | iamlindoro_: | No it doesn't |
| [15:23:48] | iamlindoro_: | That's just noise in the comments |
| [15:23:52] | quicksilver: | Ah, ok. |
| [15:23:53] | iamlindoro_: | incorrect conclusions |
| [15:24:23] | iamlindoro_: | #2077 occurs when initially filling buffers, ie long before any stream changes occur |
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| [15:58:02] | shadash: | iamlindoro_: you there? Does your script http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php?title=Us . . . ;oldid=34348 work automagically? Or do users have to manully define cut points then run the script? |
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| [16:10:23] | iamlindoro__: | shadash: You would need to define cutpoints, or at least generate a cutlist from commflags. I recommend my avidemux project export patch for mythcommflag over that old script revision, however |
| [16:11:40] | shadash: | either way I'm starting to plan out my new system and was just confirming |
| [16:11:54] | iamlindoro__: | I'm also not going to spend time supporting anything you pull from my user page, though. It's shared with no offer of support-- just my random tinkerings while I start to think about something better |
| [16:12:22] | iamlindoro__: | (That's not meant to be rude, just don't want to get caught up in support for something I hope will disappear in the medium term) |
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| [16:16:48] | shadash: | well I'm just planning out my system currently |
| [16:17:06] | shadash: | I understand that you don't want to support old stuff |
| [16:18:08] | shadash: | my goal is to have all the hardware cable provider os etc all sorted out then .22 is release |
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| [16:21:33] | iamlindoro__: | I am hoping to start to tinker with something that will cut h.264 in the next few months, but I think it will be a long, buggy process so that is 100% no promises |
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| [16:42:17] | iamlindoro__: | Wheeeeee, yay FedEx for leaving a $4000 computer on the loading dock on Christmas eve without signature |
| [16:43:13] | stuarta: | lemme guess, it got nicked? |
| [16:43:20] | iamlindoro__: | yep |
| [16:43:31] | stuarta: | eedjits |
| [16:44:10] | iamlindoro__: | The insane part is there were *two* out for delivery that day, and the second one shows "Business closed, will re-attempt delivery" |
| [16:44:25] | iamlindoro__: | presumably they were on the *same physical truck* |
| [16:44:28] | stuarta: | numpties |
| [16:44:42] | stuarta: | i'm doubting that |
| [16:44:52] | stuarta: | 1 lazy driver, 1 useful one |
| [16:44:57] | iamlindoro__: | so it appears |
| [16:45:11] | iamlindoro__: | need to check timestamps, actually, that ought to clarify |
| [16:45:41] | iamlindoro__: | yeah, 2 hours apart, guess it was different drivers |
| [16:45:47] | iamlindoro__: | makes sense given Christmas eve |
| [16:46:21] | iamlindoro__: | Guess Fedex is buying us a new workstation then |
| [16:46:34] | stuarta: | nice. what was it |
| [16:47:05] | iamlindoro__: | Mac Pro 8 core |
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| [16:47:35] | jams: | ouch |
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| [16:55:23] | gbee: | heh, for some reason I ended up looking at the Mac Pro 8 core webpage |
| [16:55:24] | sshirley1: | Hey everyone. Does anyone here have a Hauppauge HD-PVR? How does it work in MythTV? I just got a HD-PVR for Christmas and made the switch to Windows Media Center about 9 months ago. But there is no support for the HD-PVR in MCE (that is, being able to see it as a tuner). I know there is a driver for MythTV (alpha). Anyone use that? |
| [16:55:50] | gbee: | someone wasn't really thinking when they wrote it – "It was once only top-of-the-line processing power. Now it’s at the heart of the new Mac Pro." |
| [16:56:10] | iamlindoro__: | sshirley1: There is support only in the dev version of mythtv, which is recommended for contributors/devs/independent folks who need no support whatsoever only |
| [16:56:36] | iamlindoro__: | sshirley1: It more or less works well. There are a small number of gotchas that are outlined on the HD-PVR wiki page at wiki.mythtv.org |
| [16:56:57] | iamlindoro__: | It is very very VERY much a work in progress |
| [16:57:26] | iamlindoro__: | If you want support/semi-stable, I recommend waiting a few months until .22 is released, as you will get *no* help (and,, in fact, outright scorn) if you run trunk and need support |
| [16:57:45] | stuarta: | a few months? |
| [16:57:53] | ** stuarta detects optimism :) ** | |
| [16:57:59] | sshirley1: | I'd like to make the switch back to MythTV but that is the only the thing that could bring me back. I had issues with performance on playing H264 files (which play great in MCE). |
| [16:58:13] | iamlindoro__: | stuarta: A few is a WIDE open range, I didn't say a couple after all ;) |
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| [16:58:39] | stuarta: | indeed :) |
| [16:58:40] | sshirley1: | Really? So .22 is coming out soon? |
| [16:58:41] | jams: | oh an extra 30 days, how generous of you. |
| [16:58:45] | iamlindoro__: | That's because up until five minutes ago linux had no hardware acceleration |
| [16:59:00] | iamlindoro__: | Another thing that will have support in .22 |
| [16:59:06] | iamlindoro__: | given the right nvidia card, that is |
| [16:59:07] | stuarta: | sshirley1: not soon, sometime in the future |
| [16:59:18] | stuarta: | which is anytime between soon and not so soon |
| [16:59:22] | iamlindoro__: | a few = anything short of a year in my mind |
| [16:59:46] | stuarta: | maybe we should aim for next christmas and deliver early ;-) |
| [17:00:38] | iamlindoro__: | Merry "Christmas in July!" |
| [17:00:41] | sshirley1: | Hauppauge will not confirm some online rumors of support in Windows 7. I hate the idea that I have to record outside of either MCE or MythTV and play the recorded files without having ANY integration into my system. |
| [17:01:17] | stuarta: | holy crap, you can put 4x ATI Radeon HD 2600XT's in that mac pro 8 |
| [17:01:25] | sshirley1: | But maybe I'll play around with it on my laptop first (Ubuntu) |
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| [17:01:46] | iamlindoro__: | stuarta: We use them as beastly MatLAB machines, but for obvious reasons upgrade the RAM/GPUs ourselves |
| [17:01:53] | kormoc: | who cares about windows 7 support when it's years out? |
| [17:02:08] | sshirley1: | Play around with the dev .22 |
| [17:02:11] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, so then it's only a 3k machine ;) |
| [17:02:27] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc: We bump the proc, then tax, comes out to $3800 IIRC |
| [17:02:32] | sshirley1: | I heard mid to late 2009 |
| [17:02:32] | iamlindoro__: | (plus shipping) |
| [17:02:40] | stuarta: | i clicked on a few options and i'm already up to 11.567 quid |
| [17:02:43] | sshirley1: | beta 1 is floating around the net |
| [17:03:08] | kormoc: | so then it's just vista improvements and even seems less to worry bout |
| [17:03:24] | gbee: | sshirley1: and Vista was due out in 2003 (or thereabouts) |
| [17:03:25] | stuarta: | actually it's meant to be pretty good |
| [17:03:35] | iamlindoro__: | Lots of things are meant to be good ;) |
| [17:03:49] | kormoc: | I mean to be good, and we see how well that works out :P |
| [17:04:16] | sshirley1: | gbee: Yeah, M$ is kinda bad on the release dates |
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| [17:05:47] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | kormoc: Winblows doesn't worry me... ;-) |
| [17:06:11] | gbee: | MS doesn't really seem to know what they are doing right now, whether 7 will be their saviour or just another nail in the coffin remains to be seen |
| [17:06:24] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work still runs XP at home, and all the work machines are XP too... ** | |
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| [17:07:02] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Heck, we still have servers running Win2K... |
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| [17:07:42] | gbee: | but they'll have some backlash from customers who feel that Vista was the beta and they have to upgrade (£££) to 7 simply to fix the problems in that earlier release |
| [17:08:35] | kormoc: | perhaps they're gonna move to Apple's model. Charge for point releases! |
| [17:08:51] | gbee: | the fact that they were forced to extend the life of XP by another 6 months just a couple of weeks back suggests they know they've got problems selling Vista/7 |
| [17:09:26] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc: IF they could bring the same value Apple does to a Point release and deliver them yearly, it'd almost be worth it |
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| [17:14:45] | justinh: | I had vista on my laptop for about a week |
| [17:14:54] | justinh: | came with it, and I gave it a chance |
| [17:15:07] | justinh: | sadly, even 2GB ram wasn't enough for it |
| [17:15:40] | justinh: | I figure if 2gb isn't enough on a laptop 'made for vista' and it can only accomodate 2gb.. that's BAD |
| [17:15:49] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: I helped a friend with a PC issue recently on Visa... man what a pita... |
| [17:16:09] | justinh: | I liked some things about it, just not enough to put up with it being so unusable |
| [17:16:15] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work is still trying to get used to "Office 2007" that they just had me install on my work laptop... ** | |
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| [17:16:47] | justinh: | I bought the laptop to dj with using ableton, and it crashed within half an hour.. if it started up properly. usb midi didn't work well, ASIO audio wasn't a goer.. |
| [17:16:48] | kormoc: | hrm... I should get to work |
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| [17:17:20] | justinh: | video playback wasn't happening to a degree where it would be watchable... |
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| [17:17:58] | justinh: | I liked the power profiles you can have though. those were nice. and that's about it |
| [17:18:47] | justinh: | I really enjoy using this laptop.. it's so nippy that my desktop box has gone mostly unused in 9 months |
| [17:19:15] | justinh: | if I'd left vista on it, I think I'd have been angling for my money back by now |
| [17:19:32] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: What did you put ion it in place of Vista? XP or Linux? |
| [17:19:54] | justinh: | XP. then I overwrote the recovery partition with ubunuts |
| [17:20:08] | justinh: | hardly ever use linux on it. wireless sucks in linux on this hardware |
| [17:20:09] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ;-) |
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| [17:32:47] | olejl: | anyone here using epgsnoop? |
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| [17:34:51] | wagnerrp: | never heard of it |
| [17:35:04] | stegel: | i am using a pinnacle 800i and trying to get atsc channels via mythtv-setup and am having no luck...i had no problems with analog... |
| [17:35:32] | wagnerrp: | stegel: you do have that card set up as two separate tuners, correct? |
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| [17:35:41] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | stegel: You've setup your ATSC device as /dev/dvb/adapter0, right? |
| [17:35:41] | stegel: | yep |
| [17:35:48] | wagnerrp: | one analog framegrabber, and one dvb device |
| [17:35:50] | stegel: | i actually removed the ntsc portion for now |
| [17:36:08] | wagnerrp: | do you have a multi-threaded machine? hyperthreaded... multiprocessor... multicore... |
| [17:37:02] | stegel: | J-e-f-f-A|work: it does show up under /dev/dvb |
| [17:38:05] | iamlindoro__: | Heh |
| [17:38:06] | iamlindoro__: | "pgsnoop is only currently known to be in use in New Zealand" |
| [17:38:09] | iamlindoro__: | er epgsnoop |
| [17:38:40] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | stegel: Good, wanted to make sure you knew it was a dvb device – as did wagnerrp — ^^^ He's asking you more... |
| [17:38:48] | iamlindoro__: | Not quite sure why one would use that instead of just turning on EIT in myth, though |
| [17:38:53] | olejl: | yes I know, but I thought I would give it a try since I don't get proper EPG from MythTV |
| [17:39:24] | wagnerrp: | stegel: is your system multi-threaded? |
| [17:39:26] | stegel: | i just have the dvb setup now, removed analog for now |
| [17:39:28] | stegel: | no it is not |
| [17:39:35] | stegel: | sorry, i didn't know you were asking me wagner |
| [17:39:47] | olejl: | iamlindoro__: I only get current and next show through MythTV EIT "scanner" |
| [17:39:49] | iamlindoro__: | olejl: If you're not getting "proper" EIT from myth, why not figure out what PID your EIT data comes in on and submit a patch to add support and skip the middle man? |
| [17:40:03] | iamlindoro__: | You can even copy the approach of the recently added EIT changes |
| [17:40:23] | iamlindoro__: | specifically, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19374/ |
| [17:40:40] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work is happy to have SchedulesDirect in the US so he doesn't have to deal with EIT... ;-) ** | |
| [17:40:56] | olejl: | iamlindoro__: yes that would definately be the best approch. I had a look at the eit source code, but it was complicated :) |
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| [17:42:09] | olejl: | iamlindoro__: I will have a look at that, but my EIT PID is the default as specified in the source code, but it doesn't seem like the EIT PID is added as a channel when I scan |
| [17:42:36] | olejl: | to be specific 0x012 |
| [17:43:31] | iamlindoro__: | olejl: entirely possible you have more than one EIT PID, then |
| [17:43:50] | iamlindoro__: | The default likely carries the short term data and the long term may be on another PID or channel |
| [17:44:07] | stegel: | wagnerrp any other suggestions? |
| [17:44:11] | olejl: | It looks like I have one EIT PID on each transponder (or at least most of them) |
| [17:45:04] | olejl: | actually the short term is on the actual channel, and the long term is on the 0x012 PID (at least that was what I concluded when I researched it) |
| [17:45:58] | iamlindoro__: | olejl: PIDs exist as parts of channels, not outside of them |
| [17:46:10] | iamlindoro__: | ie there aren't PIDs floating on their own somewhere |
| [17:46:58] | olejl: | yes I realize that :) Just not into all the technical terms for it. What I meant with channel is the actual PID of a TV channel |
| [17:47:33] | olejl: | The short term is transmitted on the same OID as the "TV channel" and the long term is transmitted on PID 0x012 |
| [17:48:24] | olejl: | but I'm running r19300 so I don't have the EIT change you refered to, I've been having problems compiling trunk lately |
| [17:49:07] | iamlindoro__: | The EIT change in that changeset is for one provider only, not yours-- it would have no effect on you-- only referenced if to show you how to approach your own changes |
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| [17:50:08] | iamlindoro__: | And I assume you mean 0x0012 and not 0x012 |
| [17:50:22] | iamlindoro__: | as 0x0012 is the default DVB EIT PID as far as I know |
| [17:50:39] | iamlindoro__: | And if your long term *was* on 0x0012 then you should have no problem getting it, so I'll bet it's not |
| [17:51:45] | iamlindoro__: | olejl: Did you erase any "unwanted" channels after doing a channel scan in myth? |
| [17:51:53] | olejl: | ok thank alot for your help. I will have a new look and see if I can figure out where to find the EIT. What you say sounds very logical to me as well. |
| [17:52:20] | iamlindoro__: | Long term guide data often comes in on a single channel, and if you erase the channel, you lose the long term data |
| [17:52:22] | olejl: | iamlindoro__: no but I unchecked them in the mythweb settings |
| [17:52:39] | stegel: | J-E-F-F any other suggestions |
| [17:53:08] | iamlindoro__: | I would make all channels visible and enable the onairguide for all channels and wait 24 hours and see if anything happens. If you suddenly have long term data, you know why |
| [17:53:45] | iamlindoro__: | If not, see if you can get in touch with an engineer with your provider who could likely tell you the channel and PID info that you would need to modify the DVB/MPEG tables for your EIT |
| [17:53:48] | olejl: | When I use my Humax DVB-S receiver and hit the "Guide" button a week long EIT is displayed. That tells me that the channel is a standard one? or am I assuming too much? |
| [17:54:12] | iamlindoro__: | Don't assume anything, there are a number of ways it could work |
| [17:54:40] | iamlindoro__: | long term guide data for the whole lineup could be on a single channel, or on a long term EIT PID on each |
| [17:55:01] | olejl: | :) ok I will not assume, but investegate... |
| [17:55:11] | iamlindoro__: | good luck |
| [17:55:27] | ** iamlindoro__ is rather proud of his DVB knowledge for someone not from a dVB country ** | |
| [17:55:42] | olejl: | Thanks for your assistance. You made a small boost in my motivation |
| [17:56:26] | stegel: | what is the best way to determine what channel encryption to use (8vsb/qam256/etc) |
| [17:57:13] | iamlindoro__: | stegel: By knowing what type of source you have? |
| [17:57:36] | stegel: | i have comcast digital cable |
| [17:57:41] | stegel: | how can i find out how they encrypt |
| [17:57:42] | iamlindoro__: | QAM256 |
| [17:57:47] | iamlindoro__: | It's not encryption |
| [17:57:50] | iamlindoro__: | It's modulation |
| [17:57:59] | stegel: | thanks for clearing that up |
| [17:58:08] | stegel: | any thoughts on why i can't find any channels in myth then? |
| [17:58:15] | iamlindoro__: | Comcast *encryption* is Digicipher-II based proprietary |
| [17:58:47] | stegel: | can i get digital channels just by hooking up a coax to my 800i? |
| [17:58:50] | iamlindoro__: | stegel: If you are using QAM256 and us-cable frequency tables and your card is set up properly as a DVB card type, then you would likely not be finding channels because they're all encrypted |
| [17:59:14] | stegel: | so i cannot watch digital channels with the tuner |
| [17:59:26] | iamlindoro__: | You can if there are any unencrypted |
| [17:59:45] | stegel: | and comcast encrypts all their channels? |
| [18:00:07] | iamlindoro__: | most of them, but technically speaking they're not allowed to encrypt locals/network TV |
| [18:00:24] | iamlindoro__: | If your local branch encrypts all channels, they're in violation of FCC regs |
| [18:00:33] | stegel: | understood |
| [18:00:34] | iamlindoro__: | But I'd take a long hard look at your own setup first, as the fault is likely there |
| [18:00:43] | stegel: | but i would never be able to get espn or anything |
| [18:00:55] | iamlindoro__: | Correct |
| [18:01:03] | iamlindoro__: | Those channels will be encrypted |
| [18:01:12] | stegel: | got it |
| [18:02:11] | iamlindoro__: | OK, kick me if you must as I KNOW this is a violation of channel rules, but.... |
| [18:02:15] | iamlindoro__: | GOD FREAKING DAMN IT |
| [18:02:16] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Patch_my . . . _Ubuntu_8.10 |
| [18:02:55] | stegel: | and what is the difference between hrc/irfc |
| [18:03:30] | iamlindoro__: | Harmonically Related Carriers, Incrementally Related Carriers |
| [18:03:41] | iamlindoro__: | It really makes no difference to most people |
| [18:03:50] | iamlindoro__: | as they only differ in frequency on a single channel |
| [18:05:12] | stegel: | but i should be using cable,not those, right |
| [18:05:36] | wagnerrp: | you should probably use 'cable high' |
| [18:05:48] | iamlindoro__: | in 99.99999% of cases, you will get exactly the same results with all the cable options |
| [18:06:01] | iamlindoro__: | cable, cable high, cable IRC, cable HRD |
| [18:06:02] | iamlindoro__: | HRC that is |
| [18:06:30] | wagnerrp: | most cable operators run analog on the lower channels, digital on the upper channels, so 'cable high' skips channels below 78 when it starts scanning |
| [18:07:55] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: at least it starts out saying you will break your mythtv, no complaining allowed |
| [18:08:02] | stegel: | lindro, thanks for your help |
| [18:08:56] | iamlindoro__: | wagnerrp: I hate those douchefaces, What part of "Don't put this s**t on the wiki" do people have such a hard time with? |
| [18:08:56] | iamlindoro__: | stegel: you are welcome |
| [18:09:23] | iamlindoro__: | AND they include my script in the page |
| [18:09:30] | iamlindoro__: | so my freaking NAME is on it |
| [18:10:36] | iamlindoro__: | Well... not any more |
| [18:10:44] | iamlindoro__: | Now I'll get told what a jerk I am for removing it |
| [18:12:04] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: Yeah, not cool to post somebody else's work without their permission... |
| [18:12:34] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A|work: Especially when I write the script to use a TRUNK feature and they're trying to shoehorn it in to user-generated fixes backports |
| [18:12:36] | iamlindoro__: | AND |
| [18:13:00] | iamlindoro__: | when they have to go into my user page history to get it since I removed it in lieu of a patch to do the same in trunk's mythcommflag |
| [18:13:54] | iamlindoro__: | If I *do* try to work out a h.264 lossless cut solution for mythtranscode, I pledge not to submit it until *after* .22 is out just to spite people |
| [18:14:20] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: Yeah, I hear ya. |
| [18:14:23] | iamlindoro__: | Or at least submit it at the last possible moment so that I don't hear whining about backports |
| [18:15:24] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: And anyone that follows that guide is likely to be whining when they can't upgrade to 0.22 when it's released... DumbA$$es... |
| [18:16:05] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A|work: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Iamlindoro |
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| [18:19:13] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: Perhaps you could just remove your name/info from the script, and let him take the support hit... |
| [18:19:38] | iamlindoro__: | I just don't want to risk that, It was an ugly hack to begin with |
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| [18:20:42] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: yeah, I hear ya. They'd probably put it back up there again though... |
| [18:21:08] | iamlindoro__: | We shall see, I've removed it |
| [18:21:13] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ;-) |
| [18:21:50] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A|work: BTW, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6032 |
| [18:21:57] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/hdicons.png |
| [18:22:02] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/hdicons2.png |
| [18:22:30] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: There's typos in it too — what is "fices" ??? ;-) "hdpvr_mythtv-fices_r18528v3.diff" |
| [18:23:22] | iamlindoro__: | I am somehow unsurprised that illiterates are also a-holes |
| [18:23:29] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: Looks like I'll have to build a trunk box to work on development... ;-) |
| [18:23:47] | iamlindoro__: | I think it'd be a fun thing to have on the LCD (If I were in to that kind of thing) |
| [18:24:20] | iamlindoro__: | Some have pre-existing icon thingies for the resolutions, too |
| [18:24:38] | iamlindoro__: | 480/720/1080 that is |
| [18:24:47] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: iirc the iMon LCDs (not the VFD) has format icons, not sure if it has 480/720/1080... ;-) |
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| [18:25:42] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: I was thinking alot about the LCD support, and how to make it more flexible. It's pretty rigid now – you just choose what 'categories' of information to display, without any real control over the format... |
| [18:26:28] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: I was thinking of creating a method of having the user being able to define a template for each screen format. |
| [18:27:02] | iamlindoro__: | That iMon Bay-mounted one is actually somewhat snazzy |
| [18:27:23] | iamlindoro__: | Except you need a computer the size of a buick to put it in |
| [18:27:44] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: yeah, that's the same display that's in my Antec Fusion 430 Black case that I've currently got setup as a test backend (but haven't booted in a month or so... time to put it on TRUNK I think!) |
| [18:27:51] | iamlindoro__: | What self respecting HTPC has two contiguous 5.25 bays ? |
| [18:28:12] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: It doesn't, it's built in to it's own window. ;-) (just the LCD). |
| [18:28:21] | iamlindoro__: | Walking about the imon ultra bay |
| [18:28:29] | iamlindoro__: | er Talking |
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| [18:28:49] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: yeah. I think they've got a single 5–1/4" bay one that's just the display itself too... |
| [18:29:45] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: The only thing I don't like about that display is that it's got a horrible refresh rate, so scrolling stuff blurs alot. |
| [18:29:47] | iamlindoro__: | Anyway, I've got almost everything hidden these days. Would be neat to have all that built into a Micro ATX or Mini ITX case |
| [18:32:02] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: yeah, I'm currently only using an LCD on my backend, mostly for recording status. But that's partially because the LCD support for a frontend is nowhere near what I'd like it to look like. ;-) (Hence my interest in updating it.) |
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| [18:32:46] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: And if I can make it flexible enough, with templates, then people can tailor it to whatever they want if they don't like my settings. {Humm.. LCD themes... there's a thought...) ;-) |
| [18:33:10] | iamlindoro__: | Just what myth needs... more settings ;) |
| [18:33:41] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: hehe... at least it's a SQL database... makes it much easer than 'flat' files... ;-) |
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| [18:34:24] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: Anyways, I've got to head into the city to swap backup tapes... ttyl... ;-) |
| [18:34:30] | iamlindoro__: | seeya |
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| [18:56:41] | stegel: | what does it mean when i get a "no tables" response for a channel during a scan |
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| [19:10:40] | justinh: | stegel: it means that the digital information tables mythtv needs to determine which channels are where & how.. have not been found |
| [19:11:03] | iamlindoro__: | stegel: I would install dvb-utils (may also be called dvb-apps in your distro) and use the scan utility to do something *like*: scan -a 0 /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/atsc/us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies -QAM256 |
| [19:11:26] | iamlindoro__: | Where the location of the "us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256" may vary from package to package and -a 0 = adapter 0 in /dev/dvb |
| [19:12:10] | iamlindoro__: | If scan does the whole scan and finds *usable* channels (not just channels in general) then the fault may be in the myth channel scanner (which has a fair few) |
| [19:12:36] | iamlindoro__: | Of course the fault *also* lies with your cable co being a little jacked up too |
| [19:13:00] | iamlindoro__: | but if the dvb-utils scan util finds nothing, then either your card is broken or there's just nothing out there to find |
| [19:14:27] | iamlindoro__: | oh, probably also need the -A 2 setting |
| [19:14:50] | iamlindoro__: | ie scan -A 2 -a 0 /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/atsc/us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies -QAM256 |
| [19:14:54] | iamlindoro__: | something like that, anyway |
| [19:18:24] | iamlindoro__: | Haaaaahahaha ticket #6037 |
| [19:18:36] | iamlindoro__: | I love tickets that start with "It would be nice if..." |
| [19:19:05] | Dagmar: | ...because they usually end in "NOTABUG"? |
| [19:20:07] | iamlindoro__: | I just love seeing closed -> invalid I guess, and the associated smackdown |
| [19:21:36] | iamlindoro__: | #6030 is a request for support not a bug... |
| [19:29:21] | stegel: | lindoro, thanks again |
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| [19:30:07] | iamlindoro__: | stegel: np |
| [19:40:05] | dustybin: | this looks interesting: http://code.google.com/p/ps3mediaserver/ |
| [19:44:39] | wagnerrp: | but its... java |
| [19:45:43] | wagnerrp: | and their page cannot handle pngs |
| [19:45:54] | wagnerrp: | although i dont know if thats their problem, or google's |
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| [19:46:50] | wagnerrp: | i wonder how it handles mp4 files |
| [19:47:21] | wagnerrp: | considering theres a whole slew of compliant mp4 files that the ps3 cannot play |
| [19:47:37] | wagnerrp: | and all sorts of avc options the ps3 cannot play |
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| [19:55:39] | dustybin: | im missing my mythstream button, should i be editing a .xml /usr/local/share/mythtv here or /usr/local/share/mythtv/theme/blabla ? |
| [20:06:18] | Dagmar: | Wherever the menu theme is |
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| [20:07:07] | rambo3: | hey |
| [20:07:23] | rambo3: | Sup in here . Any chess games for mythtv ? |
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| [20:08:06] | dustybin: | LOL |
| [20:08:26] | GreyFoxx: | actually yes |
| [20:08:30] | dustybin: | :o |
| [20:08:36] | GreyFoxx: | a network capable player for between seperate frontends |
| [20:08:50] | rambo3: | I ment virtual fishing games |
| [20:08:55] | GreyFoxx: | It will be included in 0.98.9 |
| [20:09:05] | GreyFoxx: | that will show up in 0.76 |
| [20:09:22] | GreyFoxx: | and the troll filter is coming in 0.28 |
| [20:09:32] | GreyFoxx: | for now it's a manual process |
| [20:09:40] | rambo3: | Who's trolling dustybin ? |
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| [20:11:14] | GreyFoxx: | That's the mystery |
| [20:11:21] | GreyFoxx: | Th terrible secret of space |
| [20:11:29] | rambo3: | I need to install some kind of alarm for my daily prayer in linux. Should I use cron and somehow connect it to mythtv |
| [20:12:14] | rambo3: | Damn irc I just lost a pot. Call you idiot |
| [20:12:43] | Dagmar: | Prayer isn't going to help mythtv |
| [20:13:12] | rambo3: | fold K9 on K 10 2 . JJ won |
| [20:13:27] | Dagmar: | Software bugs have proven remarkably immune to existential/supernatural forces. |
| [20:13:53] | rambo3: | Jesus was an MSDN developer |
| [20:13:56] | rambo3: | .net |
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| [20:22:36] | ** jamiem doesn't wholly understand containers ** | |
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| [20:23:11] | rambo3: | codecs |
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| [20:23:50] | wagnerrp: | jamiem: the codec is used to encode a stream, be it audio, video whatever |
| [20:24:21] | wagnerrp: | jamiem: the container is used to encapsulate multiple streams in a manner that can be demuxed and decoded linearly |
| [20:24:43] | jamiem: | ah I see. |
| [20:25:18] | Dagmar: | Now ask him how many of those words he acutally understood. |
| [20:26:44] | rambo3: | Is it like IP packets in a network with CRC and all that? |
| [20:26:57] | jamiem: | :P |
| [20:26:59] | wagnerrp: | sure, why not.... |
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| [20:29:42] | rambo3: | or more like Jennifer Tilly's fine ass |
| [20:29:43] | wagnerrp: | where does mythtv get the 'HD' flag? is that just the listings source? |
| [20:30:42] | wagnerrp: | im just wondering about shows on channels that i know never broadcast at anything better than 480p |
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| [20:31:59] | kormoc: | rambo3, watch the language... |
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| [20:42:13] | ** jamiem needs a fibre network ** | |
| [20:42:29] | jamiem: | and much faster drives |
| [20:42:31] | wagnerrp: | what would you do with FO? |
| [20:42:55] | jamiem: | I get ~12MB/s from desktop --> fileserver over 100Mb switched network |
| [20:43:07] | wagnerrp: | that sounds about right |
| [20:43:11] | jamiem: | I know :) |
| [20:43:11] | wagnerrp: | switch to gigabit |
| [20:43:19] | jamiem: | er wait; this IS gigabit |
| [20:43:22] | jamiem: | my bad. |
| [20:43:23] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
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| [20:43:48] | kormoc: | that's 1/10th of what you should |
| [20:43:55] | kormoc: | perhaps the bottleneck isn't the network then? |
| [20:44:24] | wagnerrp: | using samba? nfs? something else? |
| [20:44:34] | rambo3: | I have 1 GBit/1GBit |
| [20:44:35] | jamiem: | I was scping in that instance, but I use samba3 too |
| [20:44:57] | jamiem: | $ time dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/media/100M bs=1k count=102400 |
| [20:44:57] | jamiem: | 102400+0 records in |
| [20:44:57] | jamiem: | 102400+0 records out |
| [20:44:57] | jamiem: | 104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 23.3014 s, 4.5 MB/s |
| [20:44:58] | jduggan: | scp is inherently slow |
| [20:44:59] | jduggan: | :o |
| [20:45:02] | kormoc: | "I get many tb/s by sending /dev/zero over the network, compressed!" |
| [20:45:08] | jamiem: | real 0m23.305s |
| [20:45:56] | kormoc: | meh, scp isn't that slow if you have a fast enough proc |
| [20:46:13] | jduggan: | its added overhead |
| [20:46:17] | jamiem: | 104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 23.3014 s, 4.5 MB/s << samba |
| [20:47:05] | jduggan: | slow down is most likely kernel/tcp stack related, lack of optimisation, if there's a windows box in the equation, XP specifically, its notoriously not optimised for such speeds |
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| [20:48:03] | kormoc: | jamiem, try bs=1m ? |
| [20:48:47] | jamiem: | 104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 2.63646 s, 39.8 MB/s |
| [20:49:12] | kormoc: | that's not too bad right there |
| [20:49:14] | ** jamiem mumbles something about MTUs ** | |
| [20:49:25] | rambo3: | Disk reading speed ? |
| [20:49:27] | kormoc: | dd's block size has nothing to do with MTU |
| [20:49:39] | jamiem: | kormoc: but ethernet has an MTU! |
| [20:49:44] | jamiem: | well |
| [20:49:46] | jamiem: | ipv4 |
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| [20:49:53] | laga: | meh |
| [20:50:03] | laga: | for some reason, xine no likey my lirc |
| [20:50:04] | kormoc: | sure, but having DD request 1K at a time or 1M at a time doesn't change the ethernet's layer one bit |
| [20:50:10] | jamiem: | 104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 2.08973 s, 50.2 MB/s << disk speed :S |
| [20:50:37] | kormoc: | all it does is allow the kernel subsystems to actually expect what's going on a bit better and act differently |
| [20:50:42] | jamiem: | aye |
| [20:50:42] | jamiem: | nm |
| [20:51:47] | kormoc: | 40mb/s isn't anything to complain bout imho when raw disk is 50 mb/s, 80% max is fairly nice |
| [20:54:15] | jamiem: | depends if you're a "whining pom" |
| [20:54:56] | kormoc: | If that's the case, there's plenty of resources out there on tweaking things to get better speeds, but really, you're gonna spend more time tweaking then you'll ever get back out of it |
| [20:54:58] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [20:57:24] | rambo3: | ethtool might have something |
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| [21:02:26] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc: How hard do you think it would be to add a way to sort the MythWeb listings page by Multiplex? |
| [21:02:36] | iamlindoro__: | (and do you think that kind of thing has any value) |
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| [21:03:01] | xris: | iamlindoro__: not really any value to americans who don't think that way |
| [21:03:52] | wagnerrp: | why not train them? |
| [21:04:16] | iamlindoro__: | My QAM channels come two networks per QAM multiplex and can be multirec'ed, wonder how many other people have the same (ie I have FOX and CBS on one Mux) |
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| [21:04:54] | xris: | iamlindoro__: but how much would that affect your choice to record "stargate" vs "american idol"? |
| [21:05:16] | iamlindoro__: | xris: I don't think we need to worry about my recordinh either ;) |
| [21:05:53] | wagnerrp: | xris: in my case, it would mean recording chuck and big bang theory over terminator |
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| [21:06:21] | xris: | it also gets messy for people with multiple sources.. my channel 5 exists on QAM as well as firewire. I'd *mucH* rather see that grouping, than see it split between has-multiplex and no-multiplex |
| [21:06:53] | iamlindoro__: | xris: Well I would presume such a thing would be a setting, not a default |
| [21:06:58] | xris: | wagnerrp: but wouldn't it be better to have myth know that and prioritize "can record 2 things at once" over "record one thing at once"? |
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| [21:07:13] | iamlindoro__: | ie, a pulldown to show by multiplex |
| [21:07:26] | xris: | granted, no one can touch the scheduler stuff without angering bruce. |
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| [21:07:48] | ** xris really wants a "prefer HD" or "prefer SD" option for recording. ** | |
| [21:07:49] | iamlindoro__: | sort of a, "Oh, look at that, I could record x and y together, might as well record y too" |
| [21:07:51] | RDV_Linux: | I have successfully compiled trunk in the past (4 weeks ago) but now with (r19497) am receiving this error http://pastebin.ca/1295880 any suggestions would be appreciated. Before anyone asks a "make distclean" was done. |
| [21:08:09] | shadash: | xris: I want that to |
| [21:09:51] | xris: | RDV_Linux: ccache? |
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| [21:10:20] | RDV_Linux: | xris: I am not sure what you mean. |
| [21:11:03] | iamlindoro__: | Hahaha, browsing associated pastebins is fun |
| [21:11:05] | iamlindoro__: | http://pastebin.ca/1295871 |
| [21:11:28] | iamlindoro__: | RDV_Linux: He's implying, probably correctly, that you have an issue because you're using ccache and it has screwed up your compile |
| [21:11:29] | xris: | RDV_Linux: do you have ccache installed, and are you using it? |
| [21:11:57] | iamlindoro__: | $5 on "I'm using ubuntu and it's installed/active by default" |
| [21:12:20] | iamlindoro__: | Well, installed as part of build-essential anyway |
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| [21:12:32] | wagnerrp: | a buck a ram? |
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| [21:12:35] | wagnerrp: | seriously? |
| [21:12:38] | iamlindoro__: | wagnerrp: heheh |
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| [21:13:00] | iamlindoro__: | wagnerrp: I like the name of the pastebin |
| [21:13:16] | xris: | RDV_Linux: fwiw, I'm recompiling trunk now to check |
| [21:14:20] | iamlindoro__: | RDV_Linux: did you pastebin the *complete* error output, by the way? |
| [21:14:21] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro and xris: I have Ubuntu 8.10 and I am running with less memory than a month ago (only 1 Gb) as I have to RMA my usual memory. This may be the issue as swap was definitely being used. |
| [21:14:39] | iamlindoro__: | Odd for it to end on error 2 |
| [21:15:13] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: Yes that was all right to the command prompt returning. |
| [21:15:40] | RDV_Linux: | xris: Thanks for the recompile attempt. |
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| [21:17:11] | gregL: | RDV_Linux, I svn updated this afternoon and it worked fine...ubuntu 8.10 also |
| [21:17:54] | wagnerrp: | people on -users wanting '.deb's for 0.21-fixes+hdpvr.... |
| [21:18:02] | iamlindoro__: | compiled fine here, current trunk |
| [21:18:07] | iamlindoro__: | wagnerrp: GAD:KHLGADSH:KDFGS:HKSDF:HKGDF:HKAG:HKA:HKG |
| [21:18:26] | iamlindoro__: | I swear I am going to KILL someone |
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| [21:18:49] | wagnerrp: | well this is also from 2 days ago, reading through a backlog of mail |
| [21:18:58] | ** gbee starts code breaking ** | |
| [21:18:59] | iamlindoro__: | oh. Well still. |
| [21:19:11] | iamlindoro__: | RDV_Linux: Clear your ccache |
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| [21:19:40] | iamlindoro__: | ccache -C |
| [21:19:43] | iamlindoro__: | then try again |
| [21:20:06] | RDV_Linux: | I checked and ccache is definitely installed. I expect it has been installed even when I was successfully compiling trunk. The only real difference on this PC is having half the memory. Thanks for your suggestions guys. Thanks I will give it a retry after clearing the ccache. |
| [21:20:09] | iamlindoro__: | note that your compile will be slowwwwww without ccache helping it |
| [21:20:22] | iamlindoro__: | RDV_Linux: We know it's installed, it's because all the gcc commands in your pastebin ;) |
| [21:20:31] | iamlindoro__: | er before |
| [21:20:51] | iamlindoro__: | and ccache doesn't just work or not work, it very kinds picks opportune moments to totally break compile |
| [21:20:57] | iamlindoro__: | kindly picks |
| [21:21:12] | wagnerrp: | thats not true, i push through a new mythtv build in maybe 20 minutes |
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| [21:21:18] | wagnerrp: | no ccache |
| [21:21:26] | Dagmar: | I'll go so far as to say that someone using ccache for the first time is probably making a mistake. |
| [21:21:34] | Dagmar: | They should be buying moar megahurtz. |
| [21:21:40] | iamlindoro__: | wagnerrp: Versus the 20 seconds or so it takes me with ccache and a few small changes? |
| [21:21:48] | Anduin: | RDV_Linux: if it fails again make the whole log available or excerpt the bits with actual errors |
| [21:21:54] | wagnerrp: | hmm.... well i guess slow is all relative |
| [21:21:57] | Dagmar: | ...because they're just going to piss all that "saved time" away when ccache fails miserably and they can't tell or don't know why |
| [21:22:02] | clever: | if your makefile is writen properly, those few changes shouldnt trigger any cache hits |
| [21:22:24] | Dagmar: | clever: That's a pretty big "if" |
| [21:22:40] | iamlindoro__: | clever: I'm talking about 20 seconds having made clean, dude |
| [21:22:46] | clever: | lol |
| [21:23:02] | clever: | ive found a few problems with qmake, if i add/remove a #include, the depends in the makefile dont get updated till i manualy run qmake |
| [21:23:23] | clever: | so if the new header gets edited, the files that use it may not recompile |
| [21:23:26] | iamlindoro__: | anyway, we've wandered into "clever talking to himself" land |
| [21:24:01] | clever: | i'll just shut up and go to sleep:P |
| [21:24:10] | iamlindoro__: | \o/ |
| [21:24:31] | xris: | RDV_Linux: compile worked fine for me. |
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| [21:25:32] | xris: | try to clear you ccache and recompile.. ccache -C |
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| [21:26:22] | gbee: | I'd kill myself if it took 20 minutes to compile, considering that I might have to do it a few times in an evening ... |
| [21:26:42] | wagnerrp: | well this is also on a rather old, single threaded box |
| [21:27:07] | xris: | gbee: takes my quad core 10–15 minutes to compile everything from scratch |
| [21:28:06] | gbee: | can't remember the how long it took the last time I had to do a complete, clean compile with no cache |
| [21:28:21] | gbee: | but whatever it was, it would been too long ;) |
| [21:28:27] | gbee: | have |
| [21:28:46] | wagnerrp: | if you do fresh compiles, that will give you time to swordfight... on office chairs... |
| [21:29:12] | iamlindoro__: | I think I compile myth much more from work than from home. Stupid work. |
| [21:29:55] | iamlindoro__: | gbee: What's your current thought on the "Directory name as image" for random images (backgrounds/etc) |
| [21:30:14] | ** gbee blinks ** | |
| [21:30:39] | ** iamlindoro__ wonders if he tracked in something stinky accidentally ** | |
| [21:31:23] | gbee: | iamlindoro__: I'm slow, you have to speak slowly and use short words |
| [21:31:42] | gbee: | mythvideo? |
| [21:32:04] | iamlindoro__: | gbee: Have seen you discuss (and have myself chatted with you about) being able to do something to set an image as a directory name to have MythUI pick one at random for an element |
| [21:32:22] | iamlindoro__: | Wondered if you were intending to go forward with that idea |
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| [21:32:52] | gbee: | ahh, I must have been drinking because I have no recollection :) |
| [21:33:07] | xris: | iamlindoro__: I have a script I run that compiles/installs rpms from trunk... I run it in screen and come back later to find it dun. |
| [21:33:08] | xris: | done |
| [21:33:50] | gbee: | iamlindoro__: it's reasonably simple, so I can add it |
| [21:33:53] | iamlindoro__: | Reason being was thinking of implementing the aeon screen like we discussed yesterday for fun, and would be nice to have the "whole effect" where the background was randomized as they do |
| [21:34:12] | gbee: | have a feeling that justinh was involved? Glass-wide random backgrounds etc? |
| [21:34:14] | iamlindoro__: | 'course, to really mimic the functionality it would have to change at a given interval |
| [21:34:32] | iamlindoro__: | gbee: HE might have been around when we talked about it once, yeah |
| [21:34:42] | gbee: | iamlindoro__: that's easy, animated image ... already exists |
| [21:35:04] | justinh: | I had no part in randomised anything :) |
| [21:35:09] | justinh: | nor will I |
| [21:35:12] | Dagmar: | Does it suck down RAM like there's no 64Tb limit still? |
| [21:35:13] | iamlindoro__: | Heh |
| [21:35:50] | iamlindoro__: | Nothing motivates one to play with themes like justinh stomping on the ideas before you write a line ;) |
| [21:35:58] | gbee: | yeah, I really don't remember discussing it, which doesn't mean it didn't happen just that I now need to see my doctor about memory loss |
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| [21:36:24] | justinh: | nah, the idea where certain backgrounds from a 'pallete' are chosen.. that's fine |
| [21:36:28] | iamlindoro__: | Was probably seveal months ago |
| [21:36:41] | justinh: | just any old background slung behind a screen.. blech! |
| [21:36:56] | Dagmar: | C'mon. You could mess with people. |
| [21:36:59] | iamlindoro__: | justinh: Well, that would be part of the designating a directory |
| [21:37:02] | gbee: | but randomised, slideshow images ... well it would take longer to test than to write |
| [21:37:24] | iamlindoro__: | ie if you designate themename/mythvidBGs, and select backgrounds that look great for Mythvideo, you're set |
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| [21:37:26] | Dagmar: | Use a set of identical nice, pastoral backgrounds, and in one of them under a tree, depict a dark figure strangling someone to death. |
| [21:37:33] | Dagmar: | Then deny there's any easter egg when asked. |
| [21:37:38] | justinh: | never matters how much you test a theme, stuff is always missed. a recent ticket proves that |
| [21:38:04] | gbee: | iamlindoro__: well as I said, if that's what you have in mind – predetermined backgrounds, it can be done right now |
| [21:38:06] | iamlindoro__: | gos 90% of the way to implementing "fanart" |
| [21:38:29] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: more particolored fluourescent maple leaves, coming right up |
| [21:38:37] | gbee: | picking up any randomly named image from a given directory would require additional work |
| [21:38:45] | justinh: | Dagmar: drawn in MS paint of course |
| [21:39:00] | Dagmar: | gbee: I suspect that would be a bad solution from a visibility standpoint |
| [21:39:00] | iamlindoro__: | gbee: can designate a directory as the background image right now, with slideshow + transitions/etc? |
| [21:39:13] | Dagmar: | If there were a fixed list of backgrounds the theme artist could at least be sure they all worked with the text. |
| [21:39:13] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: nope |
| [21:39:25] | iamlindoro__: | Yeah, am talking about a directory that could be added to by the user |
| [21:39:33] | Dagmar: | White text and pictures of polar bears at christmastime would not exactly fill the screen with win. |
| [21:39:41] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: sod that. users have no taste |
| [21:40:07] | justinh: | looking at the backgrounds people said they were using with glass-wide.. |
| [21:40:16] | iamlindoro__: | justinh: So don't use it. If the idea is to prove mythUI is as flexible as $CompetingThemEngine, then it ought to be |
| [21:40:16] | gbee: | iamlindoro__: not exactly, what you can do now is create a bunch of numbered images, no transition effects just flipbook with a transition speed determined by you |
| [21:40:45] | iamlindoro__: | gbee: I see |
| [21:40:57] | ** justinh holds his crucifix up & points it towards the flipbook ** | |
| [21:41:31] | justinh: | not that animated png support would help any.. have you seen the sheer number of animated png tools? ;-) |
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| [21:44:28] | rozon: | is the S2API patch(es) stable enough to warrant the load of work it is to upgrade to dev? |
| [21:45:03] | iamlindoro__: | rozon: If you consider it work, then no |
| [21:45:25] | iamlindoro__: | Anyway, you should probably just hold on as there's a very real chance it'll make actual non-patched trunk in the next little bit |
| [21:46:12] | rozon: | talking weeks or months... your best estimate? |
| [21:46:23] | iamlindoro__: | Somewhere in there, most likely |
| [21:46:33] | gbee: | weeks |
| [21:46:45] | iamlindoro__: | There's a dev working on it, but I won't be making guesses on his behlf |
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| [21:47:25] | rozon: | I'll settle down with what I've got for the moment then. |
| [21:47:31] | wagnerrp: | weeee! that was a big one |
| [21:48:02] | iamlindoro__: | That actually froze my UI for a second |
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| [21:52:30] | iamlindoro__: | Damn fishermen and their anchors |
| [21:52:45] | rozon: | heh... |
| [21:53:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah, they figure out what the cause was this time yet? |
| [21:53:08] | laga: | i blame the EPG pirates |
| [21:53:44] | iamlindoro__: | Yarrrrrrrrrr |
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| [22:00:25] | iamlindoro__: | Ah, yay, Slysoft beat the new BD+ encryption, guess I'll be ripping Firefly at last tonight |
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| [22:01:30] | Dagmar: | You evil, evil man you. |
| [22:02:09] | ** justinh watches the black helicopters looming ** | |
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| [22:02:35] | iamlindoro__: | Still 48 hours to get a lifetime subscription, btw ;) |
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| [22:03:28] | justinh: | doubt I'll own a BD disc for a while |
| [22:03:33] | Dagmar: | ww.wwLIfetime sub to what? |
| [22:03:35] | justinh: | I'm more likely to steal content |
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| [22:03:52] | iamlindoro__: | Slysoft switches to a subscription model for updates on the 1st |
| [22:04:05] | iamlindoro__: | Totally fair IMHO given how they have to rev engineer each BD+ update |
| [22:04:20] | dustybin: | how much does it cost to hire a bluray at blockbusters? |
| [22:04:22] | Dagmar: | AQh |
| [22:04:42] | iamlindoro__: | I dunno, bluray's probably work for minimum wage |
| [22:05:01] | iamlindoro__: | But we can all rest arrused, a blu ray disk has many times more chance of being hired than you |
| [22:05:16] | justinh: | virgin media say their 50Mb broadband service lets you download a film in minutes, so I'll take that as being I'm allowed to get whatever I want without paying :D |
| [22:05:17] | iamlindoro__: | er assured |
| [22:05:17] | Dagmar: | Cheerful Ray's probably work at some other store that pays a reasonable wage. |
| [22:05:19] | flexy: | I've recently began on using mythwelcome (transition from 24/7 machine to up only when needed), but I don't know how to get the "start frontend" button pushed via telnet? |
| [22:05:48] | laga: | flexy: that's probably not possible |
| [22:06:17] | justinh: | flexy: mythfrontend DISPLAY=:0 |
| [22:06:27] | flexy: | laga: damn. is there a way to get that button pushed via ssh/command line? |
| [22:06:36] | flexy: | justinh: can you explain? |
| [22:07:11] | Dagmar: | flexy: The *frontend* runs the telnet interface. |
| [22:07:29] | Dagmar: | You have a eunuch and egg problem. |
| [22:07:53] | flexy: | Dagmar: yes, I have noticed that. but how can I push the button in mythwelcome via wlan connection? |
| [22:07:59] | justinh: | sending keypresses to an open window is a breeze |
| [22:07:59] | Dagmar: | You can't. |
| [22:08:24] | dustybin: | i wouldnt mind a job at blockbusters for a while, that would be cool |
| [22:08:28] | Dagmar: | Not without doing whatever kinky thing justinh has in mind |
| [22:08:31] | flexy: | justinh: do you know a howto address or something? |
| [22:08:37] | justinh: | www.google.com |
| [22:09:07] | flexy: | justinh: hmmm. I thought so. Just not sure what magic words to use... |
| [22:09:25] | justinh: | "send keypress to window linux" |
| [22:09:29] | justinh: | for example |
| [22:09:33] | justinh: | it's amazing how it works |
| [22:09:35] | iamlindoro__: | Damn you, plain english search terms! |
| [22:09:39] | iamlindoro__: | You win again! |
| [22:09:39] | flexy: | thanks |
| [22:10:22] | flexy: | well, I tried, but then again, i was trying to find answer via telnet method... |
| [22:10:46] | Dagmar: | Ooo... I never noticed xvkbd before |
| [22:11:44] | ** justinh uses xkcd – it suits all his keypress needs ** | |
| [22:14:42] | ** kormoc reads xkcd – it amuses me ** | |
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| [22:15:07] | laga: | xkcd is *inspiring* |
| [22:16:14] | ** justinh wonders how 2GB RAM isn't enough to run firefox in linux without it swapping like a bastard ** | |
| [22:16:45] | iamlindoro__: | If you want to see real issues, just install flash |
| [22:17:13] | justinh: | oops. forgot I was compilering |
| [22:17:14] | iamlindoro__: | Remember when Firefox was the lightweight alternative? |
| [22:18:13] | kormoc: | only reason I use firefox? firebug |
| [22:18:14] | laga: | ah, yes |
| [22:18:27] | justinh: | oh wait. is this ubuntu being retarded with my hdd power saving too? |
| [22:18:52] | dustybin: | netscape ftw |
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| [22:19:10] | ** justinh smacks dustybin with a cast iron frying pan ** | |
| [22:19:15] | dustybin: | :( |
| [22:19:18] | justinh: | god that feels good. never get bored with that |
| [22:19:52] | justinh: | ^^^ where 'ftw' stands for 'for the windows 95' |
| [22:20:17] | iamlindoro__: | Just think, if he and clever weren't around we'd have nobody to give us perspective on our lives |
| [22:20:58] | iamlindoro__: | I mean, I have mortgage payments to worry about... but at least I have mortgage payments to worry about |
| [22:22:20] | dustybin: | i have my sisters rent to worry about |
| [22:22:27] | Dagmar: | OMGweneedabailout! |
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| [22:23:02] | iamlindoro__: | dustybin: And what exactly are you doing about her rent? Tearing the check out of the book for her? Licking the stamp? |
| [22:23:30] | dustybin: | i have savings and a little money from the job centre (£60 per week) |
| [22:23:33] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, he worries that he might eat her our of house and home! |
| [22:24:07] | dustybin: | i like the idea working at blockbuster, im going to ring them tomorrow |
| [22:24:07] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc: HE'd better watch out or she might be able to afford his internet connection any more |
| [22:24:30] | ** iamlindoro__ goes off to figure out what the UK term "job centre" means ** | |
| [22:24:37] | iamlindoro__: | sounds like the unemployment office to me |
| [22:24:38] | kormoc: | unemployment |
| [22:24:42] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: employment exchange? |
| [22:24:43] | dustybin: | same |
| [22:25:16] | justinh: | the place malingerers have to go to be entitled to OUR money |
| [22:25:17] | iamlindoro__: | I'm sure you're swelling with pride, then. Way to bring home the bacon |
| [22:25:38] | gbee: | isn't picking on dustybin getting old already? Not saying he doesn't deserve it and he should probably learn when not to speak because he does invite it a lot of the time, but still I'm tired of it |
| [22:25:43] | gbee: | I can't be the only one? |
| [22:25:58] | dustybin: | :) |
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| [22:26:06] | justinh: | easier just to leave |
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| [22:26:15] | dustybin: | lol |
| [22:26:18] | iamlindoro__: | I promise if learns not to speak up when he shouldn't that I'll stop making fun of him |
| [22:26:20] | AndyCap: | gbee: there can be only one! |
| [22:26:24] | dustybin: | this place is crazy LOL |
| [22:26:29] | Dagmar: | I've already sent an email to my senator saying that the current economic environment is completely ruining my goals to retire on an island in the Caymans next year, so I need a mere five million dollar bailout to restore my economic outlook. |
| [22:26:48] | Dagmar: | I was nice and left out the "surrounded by hookers and piles of blow" part. |
| [22:27:08] | kormoc: | piles? that's no good... buckets is better, doesn't blow away so easily |
| [22:27:13] | laga: | gbee: TBH, it's completely off-topic in here and it's not a nice thing to do at all |
| [22:27:23] | iamlindoro__: | and not to easily confused with sand |
| [22:27:26] | iamlindoro__: | er so |
| [22:28:08] | gbee: | laga: aye |
| [22:28:20] | kormoc: | laga, it's not nice... but to be honest, he enjoys it for some reason, or else he wouldn't provoke it |
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| [22:29:11] | iamlindoro__: | laga: If I wasn't genuinely interested in him improving himself (say what you will about my teasing) I wouldn't waste my wit |
| [22:29:45] | iamlindoro__: | I tease him because he's (and clever) are smart enough to do a great many things, and a little motivation would go a long way. Even if that motivation is borne out of embarassment. |
| [22:31:14] | Dagmar: | Mainly we think they need to learn to measure twice, cut once. |
| [22:31:40] | Dagmar: | ...instead of their current policy of "measure occasionally, slash furiously with a broken beer bottle" |
| [22:32:05] | iamlindoro__: | anyway, I'll try to be better. |
| [22:32:18] | iamlindoro__: | But god *did* give us two ears and one mouth for a reason |
| [22:32:27] | Dagmar: | I think they're nuts, too, but like iamlindoro, those guys have potential. |
| [22:32:38] | jduggan: | lol |
| [22:32:48] | kormoc: | you softies! |
| [22:33:05] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc: Hey, I gotta be nice, I have patches I'd like committed ;) |
| [22:34:51] | gbee: | I went to school with someone who was so desperate to be involved and hang around with people that he took a lot of abuse, he didn't like it but he would rather be part of the group than dare to stand up for himself and risk losing that |
| [22:35:35] | gbee: | I'm not saying that dustybin or clever are the same, but I never assume that people like being abused |
| [22:36:04] | gbee: | well not with the hindsight of that poor kid |
| [22:37:53] | gbee: | all the same, not knowing when to shut up can be an irritating character flaw .... umm, I'll shut up now |
| [22:39:31] | iamlindoro__: | Oh well, we've more or less stamped out profanity in here, might as well go 100% ubuntu and be nice to dustybin too |
| [22:41:19] | leprechau: | rebooter...brb... |
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| [22:45:27] | gbee: | iamlindoro__: ubuntu would be taking it too far |
| [22:46:23] | laga: | when did we ban profanity in here? |
| [22:46:30] | gbee: | fuck knows |
| [22:46:35] | gbee: | wh00ps |
| [22:46:37] | laga: | heh |
| [22:46:54] | laga: | i've been here for.. 5 years or so. i guess i would have noticed |
| [22:48:16] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o jams | |
| [22:48:25] | laga: | uh-oh |
| [22:48:34] | gbee has been kicked from #mythtv-users by jams!n=jams@CPE-65-29-35-68.wi.res.rr.com (jams) | |
| [22:48:47] | Mode for #mythtv-users by jams!n=jams@CPE-65-29-35-68.wi.res.rr.com : -o jams | |
| [22:49:02] | kkuno: | lol |
| [22:49:10] | jduggan: | crazy |
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| [22:49:54] | laga: | did i really get that pvr 250 for my 16th birthday? god.. |
| [22:50:04] | GreyFoxx: | if that was automated then it was delayed by like 2 minutes... so that was likely manual :) |
| [22:50:17] | Dagmar: | Whoa. Is it legal for us to even be talking to you right now? |
| [22:50:36] | laga: | Dagmar: i'm 21 now. that's my point |
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| [22:51:50] | jduggan: | welcome back gbee |
| [22:51:57] | ** gbee comes cap in hand ** | |
| [22:52:00] | Dagmar: | Yeah I've heard that one before |
| [22:52:01] | laga: | heh |
| [22:52:08] | jduggan: | Dagmar: haha |
| [22:52:08] | gbee: | sorry Mr. Jams sir |
| [22:52:20] | GreyFoxx: | ops war! |
| [22:52:29] | jams: | GreyFoxx- yeah it was manual, i think gbee knew it was going to happen =) |
| [22:52:34] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [22:52:59] | jams: | wb gbee |
| [22:53:00] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: don't have ops in here, just #mythtv |
| [22:53:13] | GreyFoxx: | really? Hrm |
| [22:53:17] | gbee: | btw, lifetime ban for jams in #mythtv |
| [22:53:22] | jams: | hehe |
| [22:53:25] | GreyFoxx: | Mine are the opposite |
| [22:53:46] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro and xris: I eventually got trunk to compile after make a few changes to my compile steps (changed a make -j 6 to just make) that revealed an error so I removed a patch (mythcommflag-avidemux.2.diff). I will need to follow up on the patch issue. Thanks for your help. |
| [22:53:47] | GreyFoxx: | I think chutt was gonna get me enabled for #mythtv like a year ago but never got around to it :) |
| [22:53:49] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [22:53:55] | gbee: | heh |
| [22:54:07] | gbee: | just happened to be around when he was on a mission |
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| [22:56:14] | Dagmar: | RDV_Linux: make -j n where n <= (number of cores + 1) |
| [22:56:22] | Dagmar: | 6 is not a good value to set. |
| [22:56:33] | GreyFoxx: | hee |
| [22:56:46] | GreyFoxx: | I use -j 6 (with distcc of course) |
| [22:57:39] | jams: | GreyFoxx- did you get the email with the patchset attached? |
| [22:57:55] | jams: | had some trouble sending it |
| [22:58:04] | GreyFoxx: | yup. been busy with xmas stuff but I'm gonna sit down and check it out tomorrow |
| [22:58:07] | gbee: | "make" is quicker to type, so I'm lazy |
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| [22:58:14] | GreyFoxx: | I'm off work for the next week |
| [22:58:16] | jams: | cool, just wanted to make sure you received it |
| [22:58:22] | GreyFoxx: | so wanna finish off a bunch of stuff |
| [22:58:51] | RDV_Linux: | Dagmar: Had not had problems before now. |
| [22:59:00] | ** kormoc yawns ** | |
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| [23:02:54] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, The avidemux mythcommflag patch still works just fine here (I should know as I wrote it ;) ) |
| [23:03:20] | yakman: | will mythvideo support vdpau if i upgrade to svn and set the defautl player as internal? |
| [23:03:21] | iamlindoro: | Might need a bit more fuzz these days but definitely still compiles fine |
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| [23:03:41] | justinh: | bugger. my laptop's loonix partition is borked, now it won't even boot |
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| [23:04:07] | iamlindoro: | yakman, Assuming you set your playback profile to use the VDPAU renderer, it would. You know about being required to follow the -dev and commits lists religiously if you intend to run trunk, yes? |
| [23:04:14] | justinh: | double bugger. concept is gone too. arse |
| [23:04:34] | yakman: | i have run svn before, but a while ago |
| [23:04:45] | yakman: | before qt4 et al |
| [23:04:49] | iamlindoro: | so then you know about having to follow the dev and commits lists religious is what you are saying |
| [23:05:05] | iamlindoro: | and that you'll get scorn and ridicule if you ask about anything covered there |
| [23:05:12] | yakman: | @ iamlindoro – yep, i keep an eye on that |
| [23:05:19] | iamlindoro: | good, just making sure |
| [23:05:20] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: I probably did something stupid, I will have to check it later. |
| [23:05:44] | justinh: | phew. got a backup of the whole directory. i was looking for a tarball |
| [23:05:46] | yakman: | well i can deal scorn and ridicule – so long as my mythbox plays nice :) |
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| [23:07:11] | yakman: | vdpau seems to be the most exciting development for quite a while |
| [23:07:51] | iamlindoro: | yakman, Seriously, don't come looking for trunk support.... at all, really, but especially if you're not reading the lists closely. Trunk is *not* the last release plus new features, you need to know that swaths are still fairly broken |
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| [23:08:31] | yakman: | calm dome please |
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| [23:08:38] | yakman: | down* |
| [23:08:54] | iamlindoro: | Everyone is calm here, you just seem to be getting into running trunk for the wrong reasons |
| [23:09:21] | iamlindoro: | devs aren't even accepting *bug reports* for VDPAU, let alone supporting it |
| [23:09:57] | yakman: | i asked one question so far – mplayer and xine run vdpau fine |
| [23:10:19] | yakman: | if mythtv does not, thats fine |
| [23:10:31] | iamlindoro: | Then I would advise you to use them until Myth's VDPAU is declared a supported feature |
| [23:11:32] | yakman: | I am – and contributing with bug reports, tests and updates |
| [23:12:10] | iamlindoro: | good, I'm sure if they are accepting bug reports on those features that they are appreciated. Just letting you know that Myth, as of this moment, is not. |
| [23:12:31] | yakman: | understood, i'll mention it no more |
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| [23:27:38] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, of course, the tale of the fried gpu can also be used to keep people away from VDPAU :P |
| [23:27:55] | iamlindoro: | Yes, that's an *awful* good example |
| [23:30:05] | iamlindoro: | I had forgotten about that, in fact |
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| [23:37:05] | gbee: | anyone who is under the impression that vdpau is any more stable under mplayer/xine is mistaken, most of the instability is in the driver and that instability can do real damage (as per the mention of a fried GPU) |
| [23:39:03] | iamlindoro: | gbee, When you esc out of the mythfrontend and get the ExitPrompter, and choose not to exit, it goes through the motions of *re* caching all the images-- is there any reason I shouldn't work towards a patch to forgo the caching if returning from an exitprompter? |
| [23:39:11] | gbee: | myth's vdpau support is about as good as can be expected considering that it's still a highly experimental feature at the driver level, some people reckon that myth's implementation is even better than nvidia's own patches for mplayer, however none of that really matters |
| [23:39:54] | iamlindoro: | (and, if such a thing is impossible, better to know it now before I try ;) ) |
| [23:40:07] | gbee: | vdpau still can't play lots of samples, it can't even manage some broadcast h.264 without issues |
| [23:40:45] | gbee: | iamlindoro: should be possible and it seems worthwhile to me |
| [23:40:55] | iamlindoro: | ok, thanks |
| [23:41:25] | gbee: | yakman: I hope you got the above |
| [23:41:51] | yakman: | gbee yep read all that and plenty more on the internet |
| [23:41:55] | yakman: | thanks |
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| [23:43:12] | gbee: | in short, you take full responsibility, if vdpau eats your children or burns down your house, it's not our problem ;) |
| [23:43:20] | yakman: | i've learnt most of what i know about linux and foss from running mythtv over the years |
| [23:43:57] | yakman: | and never been met with such hostility tbh, if my mythbox breaks – no one dies least of all my kids |
| [23:44:04] | yakman: | but thanks for the pointer |
| [23:44:34] | iamlindoro: | If you think any of this has been hostile, you haven' hung around in here long enough |
| [23:45:36] | gbee: | yakman: we put up with a lot of people who think that they deserve our time and support, which isn't even true with the release versions of myth but is definately not true with the development versions |
| [23:45:42] | yakman: | i'm 38, a company MD, farther and husband, i can make my own mind up about what constitues hostility and what does not |
| [23:46:07] | yakman: | I have not asked for your support |
| [23:46:12] | gbee: | I don't see that anyone here has been hostile, but we like to make it very clear from the outset what is expected from anyone running a development version |
| [23:46:14] | yakman: | nor will I |
| [23:48:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | Anyways, iamlindoro — I guess I should updated my test box to trunk for development, eh? ;-) |
| [23:48:49] | gbee: | yakman: don't take it personally, but your initial question just fit into a certain profile which rings alarm bells around here |
| [23:49:26] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Bah, nobody likes my answers anyway, who am I to stop anyone? ;) |
| [23:49:27] | gbee: | and yes, at certain times such as tonight, we can appear grumpy and aggressive |
| [23:49:56] | iamlindoro: | Ha, 19398 fixed the theme reload thing, oh well |
| [23:50:06] | iamlindoro: | on to the next random thing to poke at |
| [23:50:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: You're right, I don't care what you think. I'm going to do it anyway. ;-) |
| [23:50:41] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, "test box" are magic words that go a long way towards me not caring what anyone puts on it :) |
| [23:51:47] | yakman: | gents, if any of u have or have owned an old car, then you know what mythtv is for me ... just a hobby that sometimes is useful to the family. Always having a tiner with somthing or other |
| [23:53:12] | ** J-e-f-f-A owns a 1973 Chevelle, so he knows how to tinker... And go FAST!!!! ;-) ** | |
| [23:54:01] | iamlindoro: | Easy Ricky Bobby |
| [23:54:02] | yakman: | i'll try svn again, becasue the last time I tried it, I had lots of fun and no stability issues – unless the current svn is a country mile away from that? |
| [23:54:25] | iamlindoro: | Well... you might *fun* anyway ;) |
| [23:54:28] | iamlindoro: | er have |
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| [23:54:57] | iamlindoro: | stable... well, stable depends only partially based on the source at that moment ;) |
| [23:55:09] | iamlindoro: | gah, s/based// |
| [23:55:12] | yakman: | sure, one weeks issue is next weeks fix |
| [23:55:19] | gbee: | not really, it's stable for me and there aren't too many regressions/breakages as far as I'm aware, but the UI might be a little rough as it's undergoing a transition right now |
| [23:55:41] | yakman: | yep read about that in the coding guide |
| [23:55:59] | yakman: | will that make a windows port easier in the future? |
| [23:56:10] | gbee: | there is already a windows port |
| [23:56:28] | yakman: | no luck here << xp64 didnt want to play |
| [23:56:28] | gbee: | but no, the UI changes are un-related to the platform |
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| [23:56:53] | yakman: | ahh I thought they would remove reliance on QT |
| [23:57:06] | iamlindoro: | Nope, still jsut as reliant on that as ever, just a later version |
| [23:57:20] | gbee: | I honestly don't know the state of the Windows port, I have no Windows machines even if I was inclined to help it along |
| [23:58:00] | yakman: | number 1 daughters machine for playing sims2 :( |
| [23:58:40] | gbee: | the new UI uses QT a lot less, but that has no effect on platforms since QT is a platform independant toolkit after all (running on several versions of windows, OSX, linux etc) |
| [23:59:40] | gbee: | relying on QT more would actually help portability, but wouldn't give us the UI we want or need |
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