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| [00:01:54] | javatexan: | ewwww thats not very bullet proof yet. I hate to indiscriminantly start killing all the perl programs called newtivo2mp4.pl. newtivo2mp4 starts tivodecode and all the mencoder processes. So to stop this I would have to at this point kill all running instances of newtivo2mp4.pl, tivodecode, and mencoder when I want to restart or stop this new service? Anyone know of a better way? |
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| [00:03:01] | dustybin: | heyheyhey: your computer controls the mce box, so connect it to that |
| [00:03:36] | dustybin: | setting lirc can be difficult, especially if you have never done it before |
| [00:04:07] | heyheyhey: | well i did that now my comcast remote works mythbox |
| [00:04:39] | heyheyhey: | soon as i change channel with mce remote comcast box don't change |
| [00:05:04] | dustybin: | you need to make sure the ir blaster is working properly |
| [00:05:09] | dustybin: | and setup properly |
| [00:05:45] | heyheyhey: | hmm i thought it was |
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| [00:08:12] | heyheyhey: | hey dustybin i have setup for bin |
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| [00:10:37] | heyheyhey: | i think it wacked |
| [00:11:29] | dustybin: | heyheyhey: never throw away broken computer parts, send them to 'clever' |
| [00:11:56] | justinh: | for the bin.. that expression could catch on |
| [00:13:46] | heyheyhey: | i spent 200.00 today and still got junk |
| [00:13:47] | heyheyhey: | lol |
| [00:13:50] | justinh: | well, I hope it will! |
| [00:14:58] | heyheyhey: | well i don't think this digtal cable box gona work with my tv tuner card |
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| [00:20:14] | heyheyhey: | how u check ir blaster is working? |
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| [00:30:23] | heyheyhey: | not much support huh |
| [00:30:41] | laga: | you get what you pay for ;) |
| [00:30:53] | heyheyhey: | lol |
| [00:32:26] | heyheyhey: | thank god it freeware |
| [00:38:02] | heyheyhey: | well time to stick with sat |
| [00:38:03] | laga: | it's open source :) |
| [00:38:58] | heyheyhey: | oh well |
| [00:39:37] | heyheyhey: | works great for sat |
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| [00:41:12] | wrye1: | is it possible to run mythtv-setup in windowed mode? would like to run it on a remote machine with vnc and its love of full screen is troublesome (cant select the bg window to tell it about dvb channels) |
| [00:42:06] | sphery: | wrye1: mythtv-setup -geometry 800x600 |
| [00:42:20] | wrye1: | sphery: thankyou |
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| [00:43:49] | heyheyhey: | anyone need or want my scheales direct account |
| [00:44:09] | sphery: | heyheyhey: giving up on Myth? |
| [00:44:12] | heyheyhey: | yeap |
| [00:45:08] | heyheyhey: | really no info on it |
| [00:45:11] | heyheyhey: | how toos |
| [00:47:08] | sphery: | it is a bit of a hobby, rather than just a quick way to get a DVR |
| [00:47:43] | heyheyhey: | well ya |
| [00:47:45] | heyheyhey: | i know |
| [00:48:00] | heyheyhey: | i did do one setup for sat |
| [00:48:02] | iamlindoro: | It's not uncommon for it to be *weeks* getting your first box working |
| [00:48:05] | heyheyhey: | that works fine |
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| [00:48:30] | heyheyhey: | welll iamlindoro i spent 1 year on my sat one |
| [00:48:51] | iamlindoro: | as I was recently told, what a perfect opportunity to learn more! |
| [00:49:31] | heyheyhey: | just this cable box driving me to drink |
| [00:49:53] | heyheyhey: | i have wintogo setup as anlog |
| [00:50:08] | heyheyhey: | and i have ir emitter |
| [00:50:17] | heyheyhey: | hook onto mce box |
| [00:50:33] | heyheyhey: | and still jack**** working right |
| [00:50:42] | heyheyhey: | don't change channels |
| [00:50:44] | heyheyhey: | nothing |
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| [00:52:45] | heyheyhey: | probed info says bt848a video |
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| [00:53:02] | heyheyhey: | well i am using mythbuntu |
| [00:53:53] | kkuno: | someone has ever get to work a 802.11n wifi device? |
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| [00:54:14] | kkuno: | I'm gonna buy one |
| [00:54:16] | heyheyhey: | so iamlindoro i wasted alota money today |
| [00:54:30] | dustybin: | heyheyhey: its take me 2–3 years to learn mythtv, be patient |
| [00:54:35] | dustybin: | *taken |
| [00:55:06] | dustybin: | heyheyhey: i even quit my job so i can learn mythtv :P |
| [00:55:21] | heyheyhey: | well okay that just tells me u are as sharp as a rubber thumb tack |
| [00:56:37] | heyheyhey: | there needs more how too gudies out there |
| [00:57:18] | iamlindoro: | There are literally *hundreds* of myth howto guides. Do we need to have one for following on a Saturday in December? |
| [00:58:02] | javatexan: | heyheyhey: run buddy...run....the natives are restless... :P |
| [00:58:09] | heyheyhey: | i mean for digtial cable with wintogo setups |
| [00:58:50] | iamlindoro: | heyheyhey, That is *profoundly* precise, and scarcely anyone is using such an old card anyway any more |
| [00:59:26] | directhex: | iamlindoro, it's sunday! what use is a guide for following on a Saturday in December? |
| [01:00:15] | heyheyhey: | iamlindoro i found that out kinda sat cards |
| [01:00:29] | heyheyhey: | there is no guides for them |
| [01:00:38] | heyheyhey: | i did one for twinhans |
| [01:01:01] | iamlindoro: | heyheyhey, The point is a card of a given type is identical to any other of that same type, that's why we have shiny APIs |
| [01:02:05] | heyheyhey: | lol well twinhans and the nova's are totaly different |
| [01:02:57] | iamlindoro: | Patently false |
| [01:03:15] | heyheyhey: | well different drivers |
| [01:03:20] | iamlindoro: | well duh |
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| [01:03:53] | heyheyhey: | back to this problem do i set it up as analog? |
| [01:03:57] | heyheyhey: | or mpeg |
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| [01:04:18] | iamlindoro: | v4l (analog) |
| [01:04:22] | iamlindoro: | that card has no mpeg encoder |
| [01:04:54] | heyheyhey: | i did that works on channel 4 |
| [01:05:08] | heyheyhey: | but ir blaster will not change channel |
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| [01:14:24] | fuxxy: | Wow, the home theater speakers I want are EXPENSIBE |
| [01:14:35] | fuxxy: | expensive, rather. |
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| [01:18:31] | heyheyhey: | hey iamlindoro whatz extranel channel changer command for |
| [01:18:48] | iamlindoro: | For running a script that sends IR commands to change the channel |
| [01:19:32] | heyheyhey: | okay so i need that |
| [01:19:54] | iamlindoro: | OK to write or download one, lots of examples on our wiki, ubuntu wiki, blogs worldwide, etc. |
| [01:19:56] | heyheyhey: | now were do i find one for comcast |
| [01:19:58] | iamlindoro: | s/to/so/ |
| [01:20:05] | iamlindoro: | The script doesn't care about comcast |
| [01:20:34] | heyheyhey: | don;t it send to comcast box |
| [01:20:46] | iamlindoro: | yes. So? |
| [01:20:47] | heyheyhey: | ? |
| [01:21:01] | iamlindoro: | All a channel change script cares about is you having the correct remote codes in your lircd.conf |
| [01:21:05] | heyheyhey: | don't it need to be coded so it works |
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| [01:21:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | heyheyhey: you need to spend time on lirc.org |
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| [01:26:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | ugh... seems lirc.org is down... :-( |
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| [01:28:14] | mikeones: | hello |
| [01:29:00] | mikeones: | I am wanting to setup mythtv to grabe data from channel 3 from a stb and setup manual recordings. Is taht possible without schedual direct? |
| [01:30:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | mikeones: Yes, it's possible. But for $20/year, why go through the hassle? |
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| [01:31:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | mikeones: Schedules direct is not for-profit — and was started by some of the myth folks to provide a Legal, reliable listings solution for us, and other open-source projects. |
| [01:31:56] | mikeones: | J-e-f-f-A: I am working towards grabbing an IRblaster but want to get a few recording 1st |
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| [01:32:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | mikeones: So sign up for SD – you get a free 20 or 30 day trial... (forget which) |
| [01:32:49] | mikeones: | I have fios HP and a stb that puts out anlog |
| [01:32:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | oops, make that 7-day trial |
| [01:33:20] | mikeones: | any way to get myth to grab video from channel 3? |
| [01:33:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | mikeones: Yep, that STB should also have at least Composite Video output, probably S-Video too. S-video would be best. |
| [01:33:53] | mikeones: | don't have that cable around. Anyway to get coax to work? |
| [01:34:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | mikeones: yes – STB -> S-video & Sterio Audio -> Tuner card's video input. Mythtv configured with that input as the source for your cable company's lineup. |
| [01:35:27] | mikeones: | J-e-f-f-A: so coax out from the anolog STB will not work? |
| [01:35:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | mikeones: It will work, but be much lower quality. |
| [01:36:17] | mikeones: | same quality as anolog cable or lower? |
| [01:37:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | mikeones: About the same, however, your cable box will be receiving the signal (either Analog or Digital), then re-encoding it to RF (channel 3), then going into your computer's Tuner, and being de-coded back to video.... |
| [01:37:53] | mikeones: | I see |
| [01:38:53] | mikeones: | J-e-f-f-A: so I need a video sourcesource if I try anolog coax to mythtv? |
| [01:40:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | mikeones: Yes – the source defines what channels are available for that input. |
| [01:41:41] | mikeones: | but would I need if if all i get from the stb is channel 3? I dont need guide data right now |
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| [01:43:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | mikeones: You can do that, but you're just making things harder on yourself. Myth is designed to be a PVR, sounds like you just want it to be an 'on-demand recorder' like a VCR or DVD recorder, and it won't work well in that capacity. |
| [01:43:46] | larue24601: | Has anyone been able to get the Hauppage 950Q to work with MythTV? |
| [01:44:11] | larue24601: | (WinTV 950Q that is) |
| [01:44:19] | wagnerrp: | never heard of a 9500 |
| [01:44:35] | larue24601: | Oh, it's 950 Q (Q as in quick) |
| [01:45:04] | larue24601: | I think it's actually different from the 950 (at least from what I can tell from Google) |
| [01:45:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: It's the QAM-Capable version of the HVR-950 IIRC... |
| [01:45:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | clear-qam that is... |
| [01:46:01] | dustybin: | holy cow gums, my backend just beeped and this appeared, right here on irssi |
| [01:46:05] | dustybin: | kernel: [ 382.948557] Disabling IRQ #23 |
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| [01:46:12] | wagnerrp: | if it works with linux, it works with mythtv |
| [01:46:19] | larue24601: | I can get it to be detected as "adapter0" in /dev/dvb |
| [01:46:44] | larue24601: | But not quite sure it works with linux. (no one seems to have been totally successful and talked about it online) |
| [01:48:16] | larue24601: | Is there a better IRC channel for DVB installation problems? (I'm sort of an IRC noob) |
| [01:49:13] | iamlindoro: | #linuxtv |
| [01:49:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | larue24601: probably #linuxtv |
| [01:49:25] | larue24601: | Thanks. |
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| [01:49:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Hey, that's not fair, you beat me by like .5 seconds... ;-) |
| [01:49:54] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, I remove all pleasantries whenever possible :) |
| [01:49:57] | wagnerrp: | thats what you get for typing too much |
| [01:51:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Actually, I was doing a quick google to make sure there wasn't a hyphen in there... ;-) |
| [01:51:50] | iamlindoro: | <-- lives in #linuxtv too |
| [01:52:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) |
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| [02:04:34] | fuxxy: | There are a few stations that I pick up on QAM that are 14/7 weather stations, attached to one of my "locals".. How would I find out the XMLTV ID for these channels? |
| [02:05:08] | jamesd: | if anyone is looking for a dvd to rent in the next week or so... i can recomend "eagle eye" its a far better than the normal crap is trying to sell... it does have some "i'm sure factor" but over all a decent flick. |
| [02:06:38] | fuxxy: | jamesd, yeah, I saw that in theaters, it was pretty cool. |
| [02:06:57] | fuxxy: | it's got "skynet" written all over it though. |
| [02:07:20] | jamesd: | fuxxy, and a bit of wargames and some 2001 and 2010 as well |
| [02:08:09] | wagnerrp: | "i'm sure factor"? |
| [02:09:02] | jamesd: | you ever seen a movie where it can't possibly happen that way but that is what is happening on screen |
| [02:09:24] | wagnerrp: | like... damn near any action flick |
| [02:09:26] | dustybin: | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1059786/ |
| [02:12:15] | jamesd: | it was much better than the last 2 movies i watched... "burn after reading" and "tropic thunder" this movie was more exciting and worth the price in the first 10 minutes than those 2 combined. |
| [02:13:44] | dustybin: | jamesd: know of any other good movies? |
| [02:14:01] | wagnerrp: | oh come on... you dont enjoy people going full retard? |
| [02:14:18] | jamesd: | nothing released in the last 3 months that i have seen... |
| [02:14:48] | dustybin: | i look forward to the re-make of this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0953318/ |
| [02:14:51] | fuxxy: | wagnerrp, dude, everybody knows you don't go full retard |
| [02:15:14] | jamesd: | all the rest of my favorites are older... enemy of the state, men of honor.. oh iron man was great as well |
| [02:15:29] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: wasnt that a saturday morning cartoon? |
| [02:15:41] | dustybin: | im unsure |
| [02:15:41] | wagnerrp: | like a little kid that turned into a dragon, or something? |
| [02:17:10] | dustybin: | doesnt ring a bell |
| [02:17:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0760437 |
| [02:18:37] | ** dustybin has a mental image of 'clever' stuck underneath a pile of computers with a arm sticking out waving for help ** | |
| [02:19:07] | dustybin: | oh maybe they are linked |
| [02:20:07] | fuxxy: | grr, I've got two infrared recievers for this laptop (one internal, one creative USB) and I can't get either one of them working |
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| [03:07:00] | K`zan: | Hi folks, trying out myth, just installed the live. A number of problems :-/ I would appreciate some help / info /pointers on. |
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| [03:07:33] | K`zan: | 1. Do you really have to subscribe to a proprietary scheduling service to get it to work at all? |
| [03:07:52] | wagnerrp: | 1. where do you live? |
| [03:08:22] | K`zan: | 2. Myth apparently detects my PCHDTV HD3000 as analog and I checked and we are supposed to have digital channels above 100 on our analog cable. |
| [03:08:30] | K`zan: | wagnerrp: Seattle, WA USA |
| [03:08:51] | wagnerrp: | 2. myth picks up your pchdtv as two independent cards, one analog, one digital |
| [03:09:02] | wagnerrp: | the analog is /dev/video0, the digital is /dev/dvb/adaptor0 |
| [03:09:15] | K`zan: | I guess I need to run setup again? |
| [03:09:25] | wagnerrp: | you must put them in a input group, because they are mutually exclusive, you cannot use them both at the same time |
| [03:09:26] | K`zan: | as a second card? |
| [03:09:33] | wagnerrp: | two separate inputs |
| [03:09:46] | K`zan: | Humm, ignorance is NOT bliss :). |
| [03:10:25] | wagnerrp: | 1. web scrapers suck, and EIT data in the US is limited |
| [03:10:35] | K`zan: | Not much point to it if I have to subscribe to the proprietary service to get anything happening. |
| [03:10:42] | wagnerrp: | most people see $20/yr to be relatively painless for guide data |
| [03:10:55] | K`zan: | I have had no real luck with this card to date :-/. |
| [03:10:58] | ** sphery wonders how much a subscription to TV Guide costs... ** | |
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| [03:11:07] | K`zan: | Not unless it turns out to be complete flop. |
| [03:11:26] | wagnerrp: | that card should work just fine with mythtv, unless its broken |
| [03:11:28] | K`zan: | Titan is free :) and better than comcasts... |
| [03:12:10] | K`zan: | wagnerrp: That is the question. Filed it away about a year ago, I was able to get off air HD but not tell, antenna could have been it. |
| [03:12:26] | K`zan: | Decided to try again when I found out about the HD channels above 100. |
| [03:12:40] | wagnerrp: | you have cable? |
| [03:12:48] | K`zan: | Yes, extended analog. |
| [03:12:57] | wagnerrp: | plug the digital card into the cable |
| [03:12:59] | K`zan: | 100 channels of nothing to watch LOL. |
| [03:13:10] | K`zan: | It is plugged into the cable now. |
| [03:13:26] | wagnerrp: | your cableco MUST rebroadcast the local OTA channels over their cable |
| [03:13:33] | wagnerrp: | FCC mandate |
| [03:13:35] | K`zan: | Pulled it off the Leadtech |
| [03:14:04] | K`zan: | That is, from what I was told, what is above 100 – corresponds to the OTA channels 105 == channel 5... |
| [03:14:18] | wagnerrp: | not by a long shot |
| [03:14:23] | K`zan: | ?? |
| [03:14:35] | wagnerrp: | channels 78 and above are usually dedicated to digital cable |
| [03:14:43] | wagnerrp: | 77 and below, analog cable |
| [03:14:45] | sphery: | BTW, Schedules Direct service is not proprietary |
| [03:14:46] | K`zan: | Not digital cable... |
| [03:14:59] | K`zan: | Ah, that might explain why the scan crapped out at 78 |
| [03:15:04] | sphery: | the listings they /purchase/ from Tribune Media Services are proprietary (and copyright TMS) |
| [03:15:09] | wagnerrp: | yes, digital cable |
| [03:15:25] | wagnerrp: | however each 'channel' on digital cable can contain multiple video streams, subchannels |
| [03:15:28] | K`zan: | We don't have digital cable, analog as I understand it. |
| [03:15:40] | wagnerrp: | and those subchannels can be independently named |
| [03:15:48] | K`zan: | We can switch to digital but there are problems with that atm |
| [03:16:03] | wagnerrp: | if you have cable, you have digital cable |
| [03:16:13] | wagnerrp: | you merely dont have a cablebox to tune it |
| [03:16:24] | K`zan: | Err, trying to understand, please bear with. |
| [03:16:33] | wagnerrp: | at least thats now nearly all US cable systems are set up |
| [03:16:47] | wagnerrp: | remember, you and all your neighbors all run off the same cable feed |
| [03:16:57] | wagnerrp: | so if any of your neighbors have digital cable, you must get it too |
| [03:17:03] | K`zan: | From what she (comcest tech) says that yes, it is digital, but bastardized to analog for us (in the box downstairs?). |
| [03:17:18] | K`zan: | s/comcest/comcast. |
| [03:17:48] | K`zan: | Which makes me wonder how we can have digital above 100. Yes, I am *seriously* confused. |
| [03:18:08] | wagnerrp: | analog lives in 2–77, digital lives in 78–125 |
| [03:18:22] | K`zan: | Been reading / googling for the past two days... |
| [03:18:42] | wagnerrp: | however in each of those 45 or so channels, you have digital subchannels |
| [03:18:55] | wagnerrp: | each digital cable channel containes some 39mbps of bandwidth |
| [03:19:02] | K`zan: | Hummm, the scan utility I was using (for the pchd card) crapped out at 78. |
| [03:19:07] | wagnerrp: | which they can divide as they please between audio, video, and internet |
| [03:19:18] | K`zan: | Understand that much on how the digital streams work. |
| [03:20:25] | K`zan: | What is going on here is that my roomie is handicapped and has a analog card in her box that she can keyboard control with her nose, we found out yesterday that the "if you have cable you will be fine with analog TVs" is NOT so... |
| [03:20:57] | K`zan: | She refuses to run windoz, which is the problem... |
| [03:21:18] | K`zan: | Wincrap HD card would give her what she needs, but.... |
| [03:21:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: that is true, IF either A) The cable company continues to broadcast Analog channels, or B) you have a STB to convert the digital signal into Analog. |
| [03:21:44] | K`zan: | Lemme take a peek at the myth setup. |
| [03:22:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: "refuses to run windoz"... Sounds pretty smart to me!!!! ;-) |
| [03:22:51] | K`zan: | J-e-f-f-A: True, what they will be doing is attaching a converter box to all analog TVs and she us unable to work one of those. Useless, so I need to find some alternative since about all she can do is watch TV and occasional email and web typing with her nose. |
| [03:23:16] | K`zan: | J-e-f-f-A: Yes, smart and of high integrity :-). |
| [03:23:47] | K`zan: | Has MS and is essentially quadraplegic... |
| [03:24:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: She can't change channels with a remote control? They have a 'jumbo remote control' at a local store which each button is nearly 1" square... |
| [03:24:15] | wagnerrp: | you can get a cablebox with firewire inputs, which can be controlled by a computer, and thus the keyboard control she already has |
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| [03:24:55] | K`zan: | Sigh, thrashing to find some solution here, so many options... |
| [03:25:14] | K`zan: | Her machine is so old it is lucky to know what usb is :). |
| [03:26:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: is she already running MythTV? |
| [03:26:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | (probably not based on your USB comment...) |
| [03:28:59] | K`zan: | J-e-f-f-A: No, she has a Leadtek TV 2000XP Expert running tvtime. |
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| [03:29:41] | K`zan: | Looks like the ability to check / change the TV card is not in myth itself and not in the menus either, either reinstall or find what the install used. |
| [03:29:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: Well, theoretically you could setup LIRC to control the Set-top-box... |
| [03:30:28] | K`zan: | First thought was to get a supported HD card and find something to run it (xine?) but that is a real confusing issue, google wasn't a lot of help. |
| [03:30:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: Myth would probably slow the box down too much, considering it's a 'framegrabber' card. And if she's only watching 'live tv', then there's no point in using Myth. |
| [03:30:59] | K`zan: | J-e-f-f-A: True, she would like to record, but that isn't hard and fast. |
| [03:31:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: Yeah, but don't expect a HD card to tune in digital cable. Most (if not all) of the channels are encrypted. |
| [03:31:29] | K`zan: | Good ole entertainment mafias, sigh... |
| [03:31:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: She's gonna need a STB. |
| [03:31:57] | K`zan: | STB? |
| [03:31:58] | wagnerrp: | youre not likely to get 'digital cable', but you should be get the local OTA channels, and you wont have to worry about antenna issues |
| [03:32:03] | wagnerrp: | set top box |
| [03:32:11] | K`zan: | Ah, thanks! |
| [03:32:32] | wagnerrp: | set top box, or cablecard, are the only two mechanisms for receiving digital cable |
| [03:32:49] | wagnerrp: | and you will never find a cablecard tuner that works in linux |
| [03:33:00] | K`zan: | We did get a note from comcast that we can switch over to digital cable at no extra charge, but with everything here analog that would be problematical for Jean. |
| [03:33:02] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, you really cannot buy a cablecard tuner for windows either |
| [03:33:32] | wagnerrp: | what is this nose-to-keyboard program? |
| [03:34:18] | wagnerrp: | you can pick up an ir blaster, and write some menu program to control an STB |
| [03:34:40] | K`zan: | tvtime – m mutes, up and down arrow change channels, numbers set channel, etc... |
| [03:35:02] | wagnerrp: | i mean, does she just bend over and hit the keyboard with her nose? |
| [03:35:10] | K`zan: | Yes |
| [03:35:59] | K`zan: | I can work up some kind of stand for a remote so she can still get at the keyboard to do email and web stuff. |
| [03:36:24] | K`zan: | IR sensor and a servo to move it into place when she needs it... |
| [03:36:34] | K`zan: | DUnno |
| [03:37:12] | K`zan: | Thanks much for all the input here folks, MUCH appreciated! |
| [03:37:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: You could just use something like Mplayer to display the video, and a program doing IR blasting to change channels... |
| [03:39:23] | K`zan: | Yes, going to have to give this some thought... Not sure how mplayer would work with a STB, which seems to be the only alternative to going out and getting a new TV... |
| [03:39:50] | K`zan: | Neither of which really fills the needs, sigh. |
| [03:40:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: You'd do "mplayer /dev/video0" – with the STB connected via audio/video to the tuner card's inputs... |
| [03:40:28] | K`zan: | At least I get the box myth is on back :). |
| [03:40:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: You could do the same with Tvtime, tuned to the video input. ;-) |
| [03:40:55] | K`zan: | J-e-f-f-A: That sounds like a plan, once we get all the crap in here to do it, we'll try that. |
| [03:41:35] | K`zan: | From what I was told they are having a hell of a time getting the STBs to work. |
| [03:41:50] | wagnerrp: | who are? |
| [03:41:56] | K`zan: | comcast |
| [03:42:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | Sounds strange ^^^ |
| [03:42:08] | K`zan: | Here anyway. |
| [03:42:22] | K`zan: | Heh, nothing that happens with comcast is strange to me anymore :). |
| [03:42:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: Again, an Over-the-Air STB won't work for Cable TV. |
| [03:42:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: You need the cable-comany's STB... |
| [03:42:56] | K`zan: | These will come from comcast, I have not a clue how convoluted this mess is going to get. |
| [03:44:22] | K`zan: | Again, thanks much for everything. Got a few ideas to work with now rather than just thrashing. |
| [03:44:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: NP... ;-) |
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| [03:49:34] | ** J-e-f-f-A is amazed at how much BS has been slung around with the retirement of Analog OTA broadcasts... "Your TV will stop working" — BULL*bleep*... ** | |
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| [03:58:00] | K`zan: | J-e-f-f-A: One last clarification, if you can, please. She was looking at one of the HD5500 cards but IF I understand what you have told me, those "HDTV" cards are only useful for unencrypted OTA stuff, correct? |
| [03:58:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: Yes, they can tune QAM digital cable too, but again, only non-encrypted. |
| [03:59:59] | K`zan: | J-e-f-f-A: OK, thanks. From what I gather not much on cable will be unencrypted. |
| [04:00:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: Exactly. ;-) |
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| [04:00:51] | K`zan: | I personally watch so little anymore that I am not sure I'll miss it. I maintain that we don't need higher def, we need more inteligent programming :-). |
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| [04:02:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: Reminds me of a quote from Galleger — something like "I wish they had a knob on the TV to turn up the intelligence — They've got one marked 'Brightness', but IT DOESN'T WORK!" |
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| [04:29:18] | K`zan: | J-e-f-f-A: LOL, I remember that now LOL! Good one. Life is tough being one of the 6000 people in WA without a HDTV :). |
| [04:32:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: i don't have an HDTV either... ;-) Just a mythtv box with 3 SD tuners fed by Dish Network receivers, and a HDHomeRun box for ATSC HD. My "HD" displays are computer monitors — 21.6" WS LCD in the bedroom 22"LCD in the basement, and 37" 4:3 Computer monitor in the living room... ;-) |
| [04:32:48] | K`zan: | According to what comcast thinks, there are only 6K people without. |
| [04:32:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... and my son's using a PS3 as a UPnP media player now. |
| [04:33:04] | K`zan: | Gonna find an antenna and see what happens. |
| [04:34:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: You'll need a digital tuner to do that... ;-) Just $20 after the $40 cert from the government... |
| [04:34:38] | K`zan: | Guess I will have to use xine as myth just won't work without the $20/yr service :-(. |
| [04:34:49] | K`zan: | HD3000 has a digital tuner. |
| [04:35:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: yeah, if she's already got that, it will work. |
| [04:35:06] | K`zan: | Problem is that we are in an apartment and can't get an antenna up outside. |
| [04:35:49] | K`zan: | Signal is so bad (no matter what the signal utility says) that drop outs and pixilation were horrid (read useless) last time I tried it. |
| [04:36:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: Myth will work without Schedules Direct, but it's much easier with Schedules Direct. |
| [04:36:16] | K`zan: | Seems a common complaint from people I know that have OTA HD. |
| [04:36:44] | K`zan: | Wouldn't do anything except take me back to the "Go subscribe" dialog... |
| [04:36:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: You can use EIT – assuming the broadcaster is sending it. |
| [04:37:21] | K`zan: | Had satellite when I was in Atlanta and it only did that during bad rainstorms. |
| [04:37:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: So pay $200 for Windows... |
| [04:37:34] | K`zan: | No fucking way.... |
| [04:37:45] | K`zan: | Pardon, but .... :) |
| [04:38:15] | K`zan: | Done my time in hell, err wincrap... |
| [04:38:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | Well, if $20/ YEar is too much to pay for Legal, plug & play listings... People say "it's free with windows"... |
| [04:38:43] | K`zan: | I'll google on how to get info from whatever EIT is. |
| [04:39:54] | K`zan: | Found it, will stick a FM dipole on it and just see what happens. |
| [04:39:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: It's the program guide that is broadcast on the digital channel. Most of the broadcasters broadcast it, but it's usually only a few days. Schedules direct is 14 days. |
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| [04:40:46] | K`zan: | If this works out well enough to be usable, I'll probably subscribe, but being disabled and retired, $20 is a lot to me :-(. |
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| [04:41:03] | jinx_: | I have some issues with the Internal player playing ripped ISOs reliably |
| [04:41:32] | jinx_: | there any known problems with it in this regard? |
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| [04:42:02] | jinx_: | It'll play some of them just fine but then some of them only start playing before freezing up. |
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| [04:42:50] | jinx_: | and others I can get to play if I go into the menu and use the scene selection in the dvd to skip a bit into the DVD |
| [04:42:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: It's $20/year, or $1.67/month, or 13.88 cents per day.... Pretty cheap IMHO. But EIT will be fine for her, for live TV, assuming they broadcast it. |
| [04:42:58] | jinx_: | pretty wierd |
| [04:43:14] | jinx_: | any ideas? |
| [04:43:29] | jinx_: | maybe I'll try mplayer instead of the internal player |
| [04:43:49] | jinx_: | just hate to have to learn new control keys |
| [04:44:55] | jinx_: | they seem it play fine with VLC outside of the MythTV frontend |
| [04:45:20] | GreyFoxx: | J-e-f-f-A: you mean 5cents a day ? |
| [04:45:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | jinx_: I'd search the mailing list and/or trac system, and if it's not a known issue, submit a ticket... |
| [04:45:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: hehe... ;-) |
| [04:46:41] | jinx_: | Well I would hope I'm not the only one experiencing this |
| [04:46:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: btw – I'm about 2/3 of the way through THX now... |
| [04:47:00] | jinx_: | otherwise it's pretty slime I'll get much help |
| [04:47:01] | jinx_: | ls |
| [04:47:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | jinx_: I don't rip DVDs with Myth, so I can't offer any input. |
| [04:47:06] | jinx_: | *slim |
| [04:47:17] | jinx_: | hrmm |
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| [04:47:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | jinx_: 3TB of recordings... ;-) |
| [04:47:50] | jinx_: | I'll wait, maybe someone else has some input |
| [04:47:56] | jinx_: | J-e-f-f-A, cable? |
| [04:48:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | jinx_: Dish Network Sattelite. STBs -> S-Video into Hauppauge tuners. + 2 ATSC HD tuners. (HDHomeRun) |
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| [04:50:08] | jinx_: | so you have to have a IR Blaster for that setup? |
| [04:51:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | jinx_: Yep. I built a 'generic' buffered serial blaster with 3 eyes. Dish receivers can have 16 different IR codes, so my receivers are set to 1, 6 and 9. |
| [04:57:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: oops, yeah, brain fart... 5.6 cents / day... yeah... |
| [04:59:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: ooh, jet turbine powered cars in THX... ;-) |
| [05:04:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Hey- that's the Callahan tunnel! ;-) |
| [05:09:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Humm.. guess not, google says they're in the SanFrancisco area... but construction is exatly the same on one of them! ;-) |
| [05:11:54] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, Lucas is from out here so I thought it was shot here |
| [05:13:40] | K`zan: | Sigh, where is this hidden: |
| [05:13:43] | K`zan: | Howto Enable EIT Scanning |
| [05:13:43] | K`zan: | MythWeb Settings=>Channel Info |
| [05:13:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | It's under your chair! |
| [05:14:12] | K`zan: | See nothing in setup for "MythWeb" |
| [05:14:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: In mythtv-setup iirc — "Enable EIT scan"... |
| [05:14:51] | K`zan: | SYes, but the setup from rebooting does not seem to be the same setup I used on install?!? |
| [05:15:09] | K`zan: | lemme try that one from a terminal. |
| [05:15:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | shutdown the backend, go into mythtv-settings |
| [05:15:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | Go to the video source, change the listings grabber to "Transmitted guide only (EIT)" |
| [05:17:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: Then fire the backend back up. [I don't know how long it takes to get the EIT data though...] |
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| [05:21:57] | K`zan: | J-e-f-f-A: Thanks, found it :). |
| [05:23:06] | K`zan: | Now do I have to set up two different cards one for ATSC and one for DVB? Or is that already in there? Under "Card Types" I can find both. |
| [05:23:56] | K`zan: | Ah, something about input group, lemme find that. |
| [05:24:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: The HD-5500 is considered a DVB card. Don't bother to setup the /dev/videox device – that's an analog framegrabber. (and won't be of any use after Feb) |
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| [05:25:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: I setup a source called "OTA HD", and used that with my HD tuner(s) |
| [05:27:40] | K`zan: | J-e-f-f-A: A bit confiuzed again. Do I have to set up two capture cards first? |
| [05:28:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: If you're only doing Digital Over-the-Air ATSC, no. Just setup one DVB tuner – should be /dev/dvb/adapter0 |
| [05:28:39] | K`zan: | I think I am just going to go with the dvb and the EIT and leave it at that for now. |
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| [05:29:11] | K`zan: | OK, I think that is what I have. Now to figure out how to tell it to scan for channels. |
| [05:29:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: Yeah, there's no EIT on Analog. |
| [05:29:46] | K`zan: | Ah, OK, for now I have the Leadtek in the other box for that. Thanks. |
| [05:29:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: There's a channel scanner in mythtv-setup. |
| [05:30:09] | K`zan: | Just save it and see :) |
| [05:30:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: You also have to associate the source with the tuner. |
| [05:30:28] | K`zan: | Ah, OK lemme check. Pretty sure I have that. Checking again. |
| [05:32:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: BTW: Let the channel scan go completely through. Digital channel numbers are not the same as the frequency channel number. For instance, Analog channel 25 here in Boston is digital channel 25.1 on channel 31. |
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| [05:34:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: Most of the digital channels are broadcast in the UHF range currently, and as of Feb, some will change to the VHF range. |
| [05:35:01] | K`zan: | Found it. So far everything is timing out scanning atsc channels (us-broadcast). |
| [05:35:16] | K`zan: | Will take a while to get up there :). |
| [05:36:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: There's still 65 channels to scan... ;-) It's the same frequencies, just transmitted in digital instead of analog. |
| [05:36:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | (68? ;-) |
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| [05:52:15] | K`zan: | J-e-f-f-A: Woiks :-). |
| [05:52:36] | K`zan: | Now I wonder if I plug the cable in what it would do. |
| [05:52:41] | K`zan: | Excitement. |
| [05:53:49] | K`zan: | Interesting to note that it looks better than my analog card on cable AND this has done better than anything I tried to do with this card before – on an FM dipole (4th floor facing away from the towers, pretty sure). |
| [05:57:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: It should look better than Analog – it's pure digital. ;-) |
| [05:58:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: (Although there are times the broadcaster is sending an up-converted SD signal, but still looks better than analog) |
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| [06:01:05] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Have something for you to add to your lcd stuff in a few days I hope |
| [06:01:22] | K`zan: | Choppy and stalls a lot besides the pixilation... |
| [06:01:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: cool. ;-) I'll probably have to build a Trunk box though, eh? ; -) |
| [06:01:40] | iamlindoro: | headed off to hang out with someone, but patching the watch recordings screen to show icons for each items resolution (SD/720/1080) |
| [06:01:48] | iamlindoro: | would be a nice touch to have it on the LCD too |
| [06:01:59] | iamlindoro: | anyway, more tomorrow |
| [06:01:59] | RyeBrye: | yeah, that would be nice |
| [06:01:59] | K`zan: | Suspect something other than 768M of RAM and a Nvidia 5200/128M would help it some. |
| [06:02:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: That's either your processor is too slow, or poor signal strength. |
| [06:02:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: Does it 'pause' and the audio break up? |
| [06:02:44] | K`zan: | 1.8G AMD |
| [06:03:00] | K`zan: | 3400+ so they say.. |
| [06:03:13] | K`zan: | Dunno no speakers on it yet. Lemme find a headset... |
| [06:03:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: That should suffice. Probably a weak signal. |
| [06:03:41] | K`zan: | FM dipole probably not optimum :) |
| [06:04:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: Far from optimal... basically VHF range (between channels 5 and 6 IIRC... A decent TV antenna should clear things up... |
| [06:07:59] | K`zan: | Heh, no volume control in ubuntu, weird. |
| [06:09:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: depends on your sound card, etc. you may have to change Myth's settings to use the right mixer control, it can only do PCM or Master. |
| [06:10:17] | K`zan: | There is setup for it but no volume control. There is a reason I prefer kubuntu :) |
| [06:10:55] | ** J-e-f-f-A is a Fedora guy, ;-) ** | |
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| [06:21:10] | K`zan: | Well, now it is displaying nothing, says error trying to display or something like that. |
| [06:21:35] | K`zan: | It is also 1.1G into swap (wow) been a long time since I saw anything go into swap :). |
| [06:22:25] | K`zan: | BUT, this is a good start and (not sure yet), I think I can run the frontend on my box to get at it. Much excitement to follow :). |
| [06:23:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | K`zan: Good Luck... gotta get to bed myself...;-) nearly 1:30am and I've got to get up at 8:00! ;-) |
| [06:23:37] | K`zan: | Okdokee, thanks so very VERY much for all the assist! Nighto J-e-f-f-A |
| [06:23:52] | K`zan: | Only 2223 here, still early :). |
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| [06:26:23] | K`zan: | Does running the frontend elsewhere unload the backend significantly? |
| [06:50:26] | wagnerrp: | depends on what youre using the frontend for |
| [06:50:42] | wagnerrp: | if you are using vdpau, there is almost no load on the frontend |
| [06:51:09] | wagnerrp: | if you are using SD resolutions, there is also usually very little load on the frontend |
| [06:51:41] | wagnerrp: | HD mpeg2 decoding (ATSC and QAM) can be rather intensive on old hardware |
| [06:51:42] | K`zan: | wagnerrp: still learning myth, got a LONG way to go, primary was to get the HD card working. That 1.8G/768M RAM box was sweating doing both. |
| [06:52:25] | wagnerrp: | 1.86.... AthXP 2500+? |
| [06:52:59] | K`zan: | Mobile IIRC, been in the closet for a while. |
| [06:53:41] | K`zan: | Used to be the server here so it isn't particularly large and hairy :). |
| [06:54:14] | K`zan: | These days pretty much a test box. |
| [06:54:51] | K`zan: | Might see if I can cobble all the parts in here. only a 2.2G 64x2 |
| [06:57:42] | Gumby: | Hi all, I'm looking into mythweb and streaming recorded video again. The last time I looked I think there had to be stuff compiled to allow for streaming, is this still the case? |
| [07:00:34] | wagnerrp: | stuff compiled into what? |
| [07:01:00] | wagnerrp: | mythweb just runs apache and php scripts |
| [07:01:06] | wagnerrp: | however you do need ffmpeg installed |
| [07:01:26] | clever: | and the default in ubuntu atleast, lacks mp3 encoding, so it needs to be compiled! |
| [07:02:12] | Gumby: | ah yes that was it. ffmpeg. so ffmpeg needs to be compiled with mp3 encoding support |
| [07:05:26] | Gumby: | so should the flash streaming in mythweb just work on a default installation? or is ffmpeg needed for that as well? |
| [07:06:15] | clever: | it uses ffmpeg to transcode to flv with mp3 audio |
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| [07:07:38] | Gumby: | I see. I'll work on compiling mp3 support into ffmpeg. thanks |
| [07:08:24] | k-man_: | where does mytharchive store the logs? |
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| [08:37:51] | Gumby: | when compiling ffmpeg with mp3 support how can I tell if I've done it right? I am looking at the output of ffmpeg -formats and I see "DE mp3 MPEG audio layer 3" In the file formats section which I assume means Decode and Encode but in the Codecs section I see " D A mp3" Which shows no encoding. I am not sure if this is correct or not |
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| [08:40:56] | k-man__: | what is the syntax for the "projectx command" in mytharchive? |
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| [11:07:57] | fdlinux: | hi all |
| [11:08:22] | fdlinux: | anybody here that cal help me ? |
| [11:08:27] | fdlinux: | cal=can |
| [11:08:48] | Slim-Kimbo: | ask a question and see if anyone comes back |
| [11:09:29] | fdlinux: | well , the question is easy , so i hope that answer is to :) : linux-mce:/sys/class/rtc/rtc0 # echo 0 > wakealarm |
| [11:09:30] | fdlinux: | -bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument |
| [11:10:09] | fdlinux: | i am trying to setup a wake up at specific time |
| [11:11:47] | fdlinux: | seems nobody is answering :( |
| [11:12:07] | fdlinux: | can't be that i am the only one with this problem |
| [11:12:15] | fdlinux: | google won't give answers |
| [11:13:22] | fdlinux: | is this a kernel problem ? |
| [11:13:27] | octavsly: | let's see |
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| [11:14:33] | octavsly: | echo 0 > wakealarm |
| [11:14:37] | octavsly: | works in my case |
| [11:15:01] | fdlinux: | i'm glad for you , but here it doesn't work :( |
| [11:15:05] | octavsly: | what does ls -al /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm says? |
| [11:15:15] | octavsly: | what kernel? |
| [11:15:20] | octavsly: | what system? |
| [11:15:34] | fdlinux: | kernel : 2.6.25.5–1.1-pae distro:opensuse 11 |
| [11:15:54] | octavsly: | ls /dev/rtc* -al |
| [11:16:00] | fdlinux: | ls -al /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm |
| [11:16:01] | fdlinux: | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Dec 28 12:09 /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm |
| [11:16:01] | octavsly: | ls -al /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm |
| [11:16:07] | octavsly: | OK |
| [11:17:10] | fdlinux: | is it the rights ? i am doing as root |
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| [11:22:36] | fdlinux: | octavsly: what do you think? |
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| [11:29:38] | octavsly: | Back again. My VIA EPIA1200EG locks from time to time :-( |
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| [11:48:58] | octavsly: | back again :-) |
| [11:49:05] | fdlinux: | hi |
| [11:49:10] | justinh: | :( |
| [11:49:18] | fdlinux: | ? |
| [11:49:32] | octavsly: | I discovered some strange thing with my stem :-)) |
| [11:49:36] | octavsly: | system |
| [11:49:41] | fdlinux: | what? |
| [11:49:52] | octavsly: | If I program 2009-01–01 01:01:01 |
| [11:49:58] | octavsly: | the system looks like freezing |
| [11:50:08] | octavsly: | for 2–3 minutes |
| [11:50:21] | octavsly: | Then, if I cat wakelaram |
| [11:50:28] | octavsly: | it gos to hibernate :-D |
| [11:50:37] | fdlinux: | lol , strange |
| [11:50:39] | laga: | do you have the latest bios version? |
| [11:50:42] | octavsly: | pretty weird |
| [11:51:04] | octavsly: | I don't remeber anymore. But m,y board is from beginig of 2007 |
| [11:51:23] | fdlinux: | seems like problem don't stop |
| [11:51:33] | octavsly: | anyway let's see your issue |
| [11:51:43] | justinh: | yeah those blimmin Via boards are such power hogs it's really necessary to shut them down whenever you're not using them. you can just smell the ice caps melting when they're up |
| [11:52:35] | octavsly: | Weel I have a EIPA EPIA12000EG fanless. The whole system consumes ~30W |
| [11:52:38] | justinh: | FWIW, I'd just make do with not shutting it down automagically |
| [11:52:50] | fdlinux: | i spend yesterdag almost the whole day with wakelarm ,even reinstalled 2 times , no luck |
| [11:52:56] | octavsly: | DVD burner, DVB-S card, 2x500GB hard-disk |
| [11:53:13] | octavsly: | do you have a server running? |
| [11:53:21] | justinh: | put the HDDs to sleep when you're not using em & have that |
| [11:53:40] | octavsly: | have waht? |
| [11:53:50] | octavsly: | I need to go to lunch |
| [11:54:00] | octavsly: | i will be back in ~1 hour |
| [11:54:10] | fdlinux: | bye |
| [11:54:33] | justinh: | saving the planet is all very admirable & all, but is there any point? ;-) |
| [11:54:43] | octavsly: | :D |
| [11:54:47] | fdlinux: | justin : maybe you know that answer to my problem |
| [11:54:53] | octavsly: | it's a challenge |
| [11:55:00] | octavsly: | and is better for your pocket as well |
| [11:56:08] | laga: | i'm so glad that stuff works for me :) |
| [11:57:43] | fdlinux: | seems nobody knows the answer for my problem :( |
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| [12:06:29] | justinh: | aww nobody loves opensuse, that's why |
| [12:06:43] | laga: | try a live disk of another distro |
| [12:07:06] | justinh: | they probably do something a little bit different to other distros, and likely nobody has made a wakeup howto for opensuse |
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| [12:08:38] | gbee: | starting to understand why so many people think wireless is rubbish, currently getting 25KB/s on a transfer :/ |
| [12:17:31] | laga: | works for me ;) |
| [12:17:36] | clever: | i had a guy bitching at me last week that 2mbyte/sec on his wifi was slow:P |
| [12:17:43] | clever: | demanding that i fix it |
| [12:19:22] | laga: | what did you do? set his house on fire? |
| [12:19:59] | clever: | cant, was remotely ssh'ing in to fix it:P |
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| [12:23:30] | clever: | bbl |
| [12:24:35] | justinh: | wireless may be crap but it's better than GPRS :) |
| [12:25:03] | laga: | get a 3G phone ;) |
| [12:25:09] | justinh: | had to resort to using GPRS at the outlaws |
| [12:25:25] | laga: | i still need to convince myself to get a data plan for my phone |
| [12:25:26] | justinh: | bah. no use having a 3G phone where there's no 3G coverage |
| [12:25:53] | justinh: | anything over 25kB was just crashing the connection :( |
| [12:26:36] | justinh: | I wish I could find out why my wireless is so crappy in linux. it's fine in windows on my laptop, just not loonix |
| [12:27:15] | justinh: | maybe I should be using a different firmware.. who knows |
| [12:27:39] | laga: | my intel wlan is mostly painless |
| [12:28:26] | dustybin: | this is connected to my box: 5.637729] hdc: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-111D, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| [12:28:33] | dustybin: | mythtv is now playing a film via the dvd player |
| [12:28:44] | dustybin: | if i do: mount | grep hdc nothing shows? why? |
| [12:29:51] | justinh: | laga: I was never too bothered about loonix on this laptop – or I'd have been more careful in my purchase |
| [12:30:20] | laga: | justinh: trust me, i was pretty darn careful :) |
| [12:35:21] | justinh: | anyway it'd be fairly cheap to add a better wireless adapter on a card |
| [12:38:44] | gbee: | switched channels, now getting 2.4Mb/s |
| [12:39:14] | gbee: | I should point out that 25Kb/s is not the norm for this connection, just last night I was getting 1.3Mb/s |
| [12:39:39] | gbee: | but clearly things are getting congested and/or someone has a leaky microwave etc |
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| [12:40:39] | gbee: | performance between this machine and the AP is generally not great anyway because of the thick brick walls |
| [12:41:17] | gbee: | but I wasn't prepared to wait a week to transfer over a 20Gb recording |
| [12:43:35] | dustybin: | ive written a excellent script, if i insert a dvd and execute the script, first it will copy the main title into 1 big vob using vobcopy, then ffmpeg processes sections/markers |
| [12:43:52] | laga: | okay |
| [12:43:53] | laga: | why? |
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| [12:44:44] | dustybin: | im ripping all my dvds and i want all the main titles in 1 big .vob file |
| [12:45:06] | dustybin: | so im not archiving all the menu, trailors and other cack |
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| [12:58:08] | test1: | hi, how do u convert nuv in avi with ffmpeg ? |
| [12:59:17] | laga: | i'd use nuvexport. |
| [13:02:24] | test1: | ty laga |
| [13:03:00] | test1: | as it is hard to install on Opensuse 11 , i tried without nuvexport |
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| [13:05:11] | test1: | wana test ? in konsole, type : ffmpeg -i /home/... /... /inputfile.nuv -s 320x240 -r ntsc -ar 48000 -ac 2 -acodec libmp3lame -ab 128k -b 512k -ss 0:00:00.000 -t 0:00:59.000 outputfile.avi |
| [13:05:53] | test1: | (to get the first 59 secs of inputfile converted in avi/xvid) |
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| [13:09:32] | test1: | any other user of ffmpeg here ? ... to compare our arguments .. |
| [13:24:23] | justinh: | tis the holiday season. traditionally full of arguments :D |
| [13:25:54] | justinh: | test1: best thing you can do is experiment & see what works for you. the same goes with any other transcoding method too. Some people's ideas of 'acceptable quality' are different to mine :) |
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| [13:37:16] | k-man__: | when i try and use projectX with mytharchive, it fails with a warning that GTK cannot open display and then it just quits errors here: http://pastebin.com/f4c581e54 |
| [13:40:01] | justinh: | wrong java version installed? |
| [13:40:42] | justinh: | I thought ProjectX needed Sun's java to work |
| [13:42:01] | k-man__: | justinh, ah maybe thats the issue |
| [13:42:26] | justinh: | it used to need it.. don't know if that's still the case though |
| [13:43:19] | k-man__: | justinh, yeah, i installed sun java 1.6 but I didn't realise i was calling the wrong one |
| [13:43:25] | k-man__: | good catch, thanks justinh |
| [13:44:22] | justinh: | might not be the real issue, but worth a try :) |
| [13:44:40] | k-man__: | justinh, definately :) |
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| [14:03:55] | justinh: | hmmm time to make that beef stew I think |
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| [14:11:12] | k-man__: | justinh, thanks for the pointer, that was the problem |
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| [14:12:27] | C0p3rn1c: | I want to buy a cheapass secondhand tv tuner, is there one you could recommend? |
| [14:12:49] | C0p3rn1c: | no framegrabber :) |
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| [14:17:22] | k-man__: | analogue or digital? |
| [14:20:17] | test1: | justinh: ty (sry ..disconnect..) |
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| [14:23:00] | C0p3rn11: | k-man__: cable or satalite |
| [14:23:32] | C0p3rn11: | k-man__: doesn't really matter |
| [14:23:45] | k-man__: | oh, i dunno about those, sorry |
| [14:24:14] | C0p3rn11: | k-man__: what card did you have in mind ? |
| [14:24:55] | k-man__: | i was just going to say that the cheap usb dvb-t cards that are around in my experience have shockingly poor reception ability |
| [14:24:59] | k-man__: | so i would steer clear of them |
| [14:25:30] | C0p3rn11: | k-man__: ah ok |
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| [14:29:24] | C0p3rn11: | well it can be about 45 euro |
| [14:30:08] | justinh: | heh. stupid people calling 999 make the news again |
| [14:30:20] | justinh: | wrong pizza topping! ffs somebody should shoot these people |
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| [14:32:09] | gbee: | humanely culled for the good of everyone else |
| [14:32:17] | tank-man: | wtf is 999? |
| [14:32:47] | gbee: | emergency phone number – Police, Ambulance, Fire, Coastguard, Mountain Rescue etc |
| [14:33:05] | tank-man: | i always thought it was 911 |
| [14:33:25] | gbee: | only in the colonies |
| [14:33:55] | tank-man: | i would think 999 would be easy to hit by mistake |
| [14:34:14] | tank-man: | a kid could go 999 by mistake |
| [14:34:24] | gbee: | easier to hit if you've just been run-over |
| [14:34:31] | k-man__: | 999 is the UK emegency number i think |
| [14:34:37] | k-man__: | in australia it is 000 |
| [14:35:10] | gbee: | tank-man: I think the point is that a well behaved kid doesn't play with the phone |
| [14:35:46] | gbee: | I'd rather they dialled 999 than run up a huge bill calling Bahrain |
| [14:35:49] | k-man__: | and our IDD code is 0011 so apparantly its a common mistake people make, they are used to dialing 0, then 0011 at work to dial internationaly, then they go home and accidently dial 0, 0011 which connects them to 000 |
| [14:58:59] | dustybin: | The perfect multimedia setup: Music CDs ripped into lossless FLAC files, DVDs main titles extracted as one big .VOB files, and Blu-Rays main title only extracted. Perfect :) |
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| [15:03:55] | dustybin: | gbee: how big is 1 hour of BBC-HD ? |
| [15:04:28] | dustybin: | i need to try and calculate future HD recordings disk space |
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| [15:07:55] | rambo3: | good evening |
| [15:09:48] | gbee: | 8Gb |
| [15:09:57] | dustybin: | ok thanks :) |
| [15:10:15] | gbee: | well 8–10Gb |
| [15:10:59] | dustybin: | I think a 2TB MythTV recordings space is more than enough |
| [15:11:26] | dustybin: | at the moment im using 400GB for SD, and thats more than enough |
| [15:12:02] | dustybin: | 200 Hours of HD Television recordings is enough for anyone |
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| [15:17:31] | htpc-newb: | hello, i am using mythbuntu 8.10 amd64 and having trouble with three key bits of the box, lirc/lcdc , nvida 180.xx driver and alsa 1.1.18a (for hdmi audio) |
| [15:17:49] | htpc-newb: | I hav an asus m3n78-em geforce 8200 board |
| [15:17:55] | htpc-newb: | any help is apprrecited |
| [15:18:33] | dustybin: | what is wrong with the gfx? |
| [15:19:23] | htpc-newb: | hi |
| [15:19:50] | htpc-newb: | I jst cannot get it to install I alwazs end up with safe mode |
| [15:20:04] | dustybin: | safe mode on linux? o_O |
| [15:20:16] | laga: | ubuntu has a "safe mode" AFAIK |
| [15:20:17] | htpc-newb: | sorry |
| [15:20:20] | dustybin: | oh ok |
| [15:20:23] | htpc-newb: | yes |
| [15:20:30] | htpc-newb: | buntu has bulletproof |
| [15:20:42] | htpc-newb: | and it dumps me back into 640x480 with vesa driver |
| [15:20:53] | htpc-newb: | even though I have the right xorg conf |
| [15:21:04] | dustybin: | is your graphics built into the motherboard, or is it a pci-* board? |
| [15:21:05] | gbee: | could start with a non-beta driver and use packages |
| [15:21:05] | htpc-newb: | -- the same xorg.conf loads the 177.80 |
| [15:21:18] | gbee: | dustybin: onboard, not that it makes a difference |
| [15:21:21] | htpc-newb: | yes I have the 17.80 but that does not support hdmi audio |
| [15:21:24] | dustybin: | ok |
| [15:22:05] | htpc-newb: | 177.80 from repo is whatt I mean of course |
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| [15:31:53] | gbee: | htpc-newb: difference is probably going to be ubnutu related, but I'm using the 180.16 driver with the same GPU (same board in fact) |
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| [15:34:21] | gbee: | you might try the #ubuntu channel, they'll know how to manually install the nvidia driver on their disto |
| [15:39:52] | clever: | sudo aptget install nvidia-glx |
| [15:40:00] | clever: | o wait, thats the stable one |
| [15:40:24] | clever: | ive manualy done the beta after removing that package, i just followed the readme |
| [15:40:43] | htpc-newb: | true |
| [15:40:50] | htpc-newb: | I will try that for the nvidia |
| [15:40:53] | clever: | ive also spoted a 180 package in the latest release of ubuntu, i think the beta one |
| [15:41:06] | htpc-newb: | anybody got experience with imon 0038 device |
| [15:41:46] | htpc-newb: | yes jaunty supposedly has a 180 packaged |
| [15:41:51] | htpc-newb: | I could try and install that |
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| [15:56:01] | etnoy: | is it possible to make mythmusic rip CD:s into a separate directory? |
| [15:57:45] | etnoy: | never mind, think I found it :) |
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| [16:51:57] | octavsly: | fdlinux found the solution |
| [16:52:11] | octavsly: | for the wakealarm? |
| [16:52:21] | fdlinux: | nope |
| [16:52:26] | fdlinux: | still searching |
| [16:52:44] | octavsly: | RTC is quite imature especially with the 2.6.25 version |
| [16:52:55] | octavsly: | di dyou try /proc/acpi/alarm? |
| [16:53:19] | octavsly: | let me search a info that was usefull for me |
| [16:53:41] | etnoy: | I have another queston about importing CD:s |
| [16:53:58] | etnoy: | is it possible to remove the over-smartness regarding already existent tracks in the database? |
| [16:54:12] | etnoy: | e.g. I have set the importer to import to a separate directory |
| [16:54:42] | etnoy: | but when I want to rip a CD I previously ripped it asks if I want to remove the original one from the database |
| [16:54:51] | etnoy: | how can I remove this check? |
| [16:55:04] | etnoy: | (I want to re-rip my music to flac instead of a lossy format) |
| [16:56:26] | octavsly: | http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12013 |
| [16:56:50] | octavsly: | second post tell you to disable /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm and to enable /proc/acpi/alarm |
| [16:56:59] | gbee: | you can't remove that check (without editing the code), you'll just have to keep clicking 'No' |
| [16:57:20] | octavsly: | It might be that after compilling the kernel neither /proc/acpi/alarm nor /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm will appear anymore :-) |
| [16:57:22] | etnoy: | gbee: if that was enough, I'd be happy |
| [16:57:25] | fdlinux: | brb |
| [16:57:35] | etnoy: | gbee: but it seems that it won't import those tracks from the CD in that case... |
| [16:57:41] | etnoy: | so it is being "too smart" here |
| [16:57:59] | gbee: | really? well that's a bug then, if you open a ticket I'll see that it gets fixed |
| [16:58:08] | etnoy: | great! |
| [16:58:13] | etnoy: | just gonna doublecheck the problem first |
| [16:58:53] | etnoy: | gbee: just a question |
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| [16:59:06] | etnoy: | if I select "Yes" when asked about removal |
| [16:59:16] | etnoy: | will it delete the track from the fs or just from the db? |
| [17:00:38] | etnoy: | never mind, it just deletes from the db |
| [17:00:40] | etnoy: | just checked. |
| [17:00:52] | etnoy: | the swedish translation implies it will be deleted from the fs :) |
| [17:01:03] | gbee: | heh |
| [17:02:25] | octavsly: | OK I need to go. I will be back tomorrow |
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| [17:04:48] | laga: | my regex-fu is weak |
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| [17:09:22] | iamlindoro: | But your C++ sword style is strong |
| [17:11:28] | laga: | no |
| [17:11:31] | laga: | actually, not. |
| [17:11:48] | laga: | my java managed to scare a kitten, though |
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| [17:15:06] | iamlindoro: | Well that's the spirit |
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| [17:15:42] | laga: | god, i hope me debugging my code doesn't scare the neighbours on a sunday night |
| [17:19:28] | ** iamlindoro wonders what laga's debugging process involves to scare the neighbors ** | |
| [17:19:51] | laga: | screaming four letters word |
| [17:19:56] | laga: | i finally found the typo ;) |
| [17:20:07] | iamlindoro: | I was rather near that point myself last night |
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| [17:48:49] | gbee: | iamlindoro__: mythtube makes this patch obsolete? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4990 |
| [17:55:11] | mishehu: | mythtube? that a youtube app for myth? |
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| [17:57:03] | directhex: | http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http% . . . amp;ie=UTF-8 |
| [17:57:12] | directhex: | eee-branded keyboard, remote, mouse. thoughts? |
| [17:57:24] | laga: | i'm thirsty |
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| [18:05:30] | dustybin: | good read: http://howto-pages.org/ffmpeg/ |
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| [18:06:09] | ** gbee offers laga a drink ** | |
| [18:06:18] | laga: | gbee: ooh. what is it? |
| [18:06:28] | dustybin: | tea |
| [18:06:40] | gbee: | ditch water |
| [18:06:51] | laga: | oooh |
| [18:07:03] | dustybin: | is that the time? about time i got dressed |
| [18:07:17] | wolfspirit: | I can't seem to get a remote frontend to connect to my master backend server, telnet and mysql remote connections work outside of loading mythtv... here is the error I http://pastebin.com/m2b20360a any ideas? |
| [18:09:17] | dustybin: | make sure the remote frontend has qt mysql library installed |
| [18:10:45] | laga: | no, fix your clock |
| [18:11:16] | wolfspirit: | dustybin: qt and mysql library or is there a mysql qt specific library that needs installed? |
| [18:11:23] | gbee: | oof, that's a drift |
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| [18:11:54] | gbee: | wolfspirit: your backend thinks it's Wednesday |
| [18:12:07] | gbee: | in 1969 |
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| [18:13:10] | wolfspirit: | lol |
| [18:13:14] | gbee: | actually forget that, red herring |
| [18:13:27] | ** gbee blames laga ** | |
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| [18:14:38] | laga: | heh |
| [18:14:40] | laga: | oops |
| [18:14:57] | wolfspirit: | dustybin: just check it's already installed |
| [18:15:02] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:15:29] | dustybin: | i just ripped a film with mtd 'perfect' setting, it ripped the main title as a vob but it played back a bit dodgy |
| [18:15:44] | dustybin: | i run it through ffmpeg again and now it is 'perfect' |
| [18:15:54] | dustybin: | maybe mtd should so that automatically in the future |
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| [18:17:26] | ** justinh wonders if mythtv has a chess plugin yet ** | |
| [18:20:19] | justinh: | and just remembered to check my dvd playback speed setting to see if it helps playing discs in future |
| [18:22:02] | KjetilK: | anyone know if I can configure MythStream to use the internal player? |
| [18:22:30] | justinh: | yes I know |
| [18:22:32] | justinh: | you can't |
| [18:22:39] | KjetilK: | ok :-( |
| [18:22:59] | justinh: | that's why mythstream has (and probably always will) remained a third party and unsupported plugin |
| [18:23:13] | justinh: | that and other reasons |
| [18:23:31] | KjetilK: | I've been working a bit with it now, it kinda does the job |
| [18:23:44] | gbee: | 'kinda' |
| [18:23:45] | KjetilK: | but adjusting volume levels is very painful |
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| [18:24:09] | justinh: | it's not exactly easy on the eye either |
| [18:24:09] | KjetilK: | yup, kinda :-) |
| [18:24:22] | justinh: | nor is it all that easy to use or set up |
| [18:24:27] | gbee: | justinh: I'd estimate that writing a chess plugin would be one of the easier plugins to create |
| [18:24:33] | justinh: | doesn't have very much going for it at all IMHO |
| [18:24:50] | KjetilK: | the default streams in there where almost all broken |
| [18:24:56] | justinh: | gbee: really? maybe apart from the chess engine itself of course :) |
| [18:24:57] | gbee: | wrap it round one of the many chess engines, grid layout buttonlist, simple stuff |
| [18:25:00] | KjetilK: | but a little bit of SQL helped a lot :-) |
| [18:25:22] | justinh: | never played chess in my life of course. I'll stick to sudoku |
| [18:25:40] | gbee: | yeah, there are a few chess engines already available, best to use one of those than write one from scratch |
| [18:26:25] | gbee: | I've tried playing chess, but ultimately I don't really get the appeal |
| [18:26:44] | KjetilK: | I tried playing chess, and I mostly lost :-) |
| [18:28:57] | justinh: | one day there will be spaceships, and we will explore far away galaxies, drink blue-green beer & play 3D chess. And all women will wear sprayed-on outfits and will have purple hair. I saw it on the telly. |
| [18:29:24] | justinh: | I really should stop taking this cold medication now |
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| [18:30:06] | gbee: | seems like good stuff, I wouldn't stop |
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| [18:30:18] | hume: | hi... how do I add a font to the mythtv frontend? |
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| [18:30:38] | gbee: | staples or superglue work for me |
| [18:30:46] | justinh: | hume: unpack the tarball, copy the new font in then tar it back up |
| [18:31:00] | hume: | justinh, where? |
| [18:31:24] | hume: | or: which tarball? |
| [18:31:29] | ** justinh looks at his shoes ** | |
| [18:31:37] | hume: | ubuntu intrepid system |
| [18:31:53] | ** hume looks at the ceiling ** | |
| [18:32:08] | justinh: | seriously, if you want to change a font in mythtv, look in the theme xml files |
| [18:32:32] | justinh: | that is where fonts are defined.. and there are a lot of them – too many actually |
| [18:33:00] | hume: | do I not need to copy it to some directory? remember having done that on another frontend but cant remember where |
| [18:33:31] | justinh: | or if you just want to make the OSD look nice (cos the default monospaced font looks AWFUL!), the font can be set up in tv playback settings IIRC |
| [18:33:59] | hume: | yeah, but just freesans and freeserif |
| [18:34:01] | justinh: | hume: it doesn't matter where you copy a font to, if the theme xml file doesn't use it, it doesn't get used |
| [18:34:03] | hume: | i want some other |
| [18:34:20] | justinh: | why? :-\ |
| [18:34:54] | justinh: | oh and you can't change DVB/DVD subtitle fonts either – they're actually bitmaps already |
| [18:34:58] | hume: | cause courier seems to be the only one readable so far for my teletext subtitltes... a rather annoying problem |
| [18:35:17] | justinh: | telewhat? ;-) |
| [18:35:29] | justinh: | roll on the analogue switchoff I say :) |
| [18:35:50] | hume: | well....what do you call them? subtitles supplied by the teletext channel,.... |
| [18:35:58] | hume: | roll on....? ehr? |
| [18:36:13] | gbee: | hume: copy the font to the /{prefix}/share/mythtv/theme/ directory, then restart the frontend and change the font in the settings |
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| [18:37:01] | GlemSom: | I'm trying to create a scheduler that will record all Simpsons episodes (not including duplicates). This however seems impossible (at least with mythweb). Even though I tell it to find duplicates using subtitle only – it will only record one show – and mark the rest as previously recorded. All the episodes have the same title: "Simpsons", but a different subtitle: "Episode 114" (For example)... Is there another way around this? (A complete databas |
| [18:37:02] | GlemSom: | e dump is uploaded to http://freeshells.ch/~glemsom/database.dump2.bz2) |
| [18:37:22] | hume: | gbee prefix? |
| [18:37:49] | gbee: | GlemSom: Record all showings? |
| [18:38:02] | GlemSom: | gbee, Yes |
| [18:38:16] | gbee: | check the programid (I'm not going to look at a full dump) |
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| [18:38:43] | gbee: | they need to be unique for each episode if they aren't then there is a fault with the xmltv grabber or EIT data |
| [18:39:23] | justinh: | bet the progamid isn't unique |
| [18:39:50] | GlemSom: | gbee, Ok, That's where my problem is then! They're the same... |
| [18:40:12] | GlemSom: | So, my grabber is to blame here? (Or the site it's grabbing from) |
| [18:40:21] | jduggan: | everyone have a good xmas? |
| [18:40:22] | jduggan: | :D |
| [18:40:38] | gbee: | hmm, is it programid I'm thinking of ... |
| [18:41:10] | justinh: | jduggan: so-so. you? |
| [18:41:57] | jduggan: | justinh: same |
| [18:42:03] | gbee: | heh, looks like EIT isn't populating it correctly |
| [18:42:14] | GlemSom: | I just looked at the xml data I got from my grabber... That does not supply any programid |
| [18:42:43] | GlemSom: | I'm actually not using EIT on that channel |
| [18:43:16] | gbee: | GlemSom: well unless it's blank, it has to come from somewhere outside myth |
| [18:43:35] | gbee: | blank causes the programid to be ignored btw |
| [18:44:40] | GlemSom: | gbee, Ok, I'll go hunting for whatever is feeding programid into my database :P Thanks :) |
| [18:47:50] | gbee: | wasn't entirely correct about EIT (UK) being wrong, there are some generic things which all have the same ID when they probably shouldn't though e.g. All showings of the BBC News "Assignments" slot |
| [18:48:19] | gbee: | somehow it seems unlikely that they are all repeats of the same one |
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| [18:56:59] | justinh: | blame the EPG monkeys as usual |
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| [18:58:27] | Dagmar: | You know if you people just stopped feeding the mancs they'd go away |
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| [19:00:58] | ** gbee withholds Justin's food ** | |
| [19:01:03] | gbee: | anyone else from Manchester? |
| [19:02:12] | Dagmar: | hehe |
| [19:02:26] | dustybin: | bloody northern monkeys |
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| [20:14:17] | forrestv_: | when the mythtv window isn't in focus, my remote doesn't work for some dialogs – http://im.forre.st/myth.png |
| [20:14:23] | forrestv_: | how do i fix this? |
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| [20:19:31] | forrestv: | im here if anyone has an answer. |
| [20:20:28] | directhex: | make mythtv be in focus. |
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| [20:24:28] | forrestv: | directhex, i have a dual screen setup |
| [20:24:32] | forrestv: | so it's never i focus |
| [20:24:35] | forrestv: | *in |
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| [20:30:34] | ** justinh is NOT a Mancunian ** | |
| [20:31:04] | gbee: | justinh: I know, but it wouldn't be very funny to acknowledge that |
| [20:31:27] | gbee: | forrestv: shouldn't be a problem with 0.22, unfortunately that doesn't help you much right now |
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| [20:31:52] | forrestv: | gbee, hmm? |
| [20:31:57] | forrestv: | i think i use svn |
| [20:32:01] | forrestv: | just it's pretty old |
| [20:32:06] | forrestv: | like 2 months |
| [20:34:09] | forrestv: | gbee, so it's fixed in svn, right? |
| [20:34:10] | justinh: | that's like 80 in dog years |
| [20:34:54] | forrestv: | justinh, that doesn |
| [20:34:59] | forrestv: | justinh, that doesn't make sense* |
| [20:35:06] | justinh: | dustybin: bloody workshy malingerers like you! |
| [20:35:18] | iamlindoro: | Hee hee http://www.fecitfacta.com/hdicons2.png |
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| [20:35:32] | dustybin: | :P |
| [20:35:45] | ** dustybin waits for a iamlindoro comment ** | |
| [20:36:08] | justinh: | iamlindoro: cool. can you make the rest of the theme not suck now? :-P |
| [20:36:16] | iamlindoro: | justinh seems to have things under control |
| [20:36:26] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Hey, I'm just a-patchin' with the stuff I'm adding |
| [20:36:48] | forrestv: | iamlindoro, is the above problem fixed in svn? |
| [20:36:50] | iamlindoro: | so that nobody has to go back and add it to all the core themes on my account |
| [20:37:05] | iamlindoro: | forrestv, I wouldn't know, I always use myth with focus as god intended |
| [20:37:24] | forrestv: | :( |
| [20:38:03] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Idea being to allow fun times like http://lh6.ggpht.com/_qVaOWaF1IoM/SJwjQXTQDKI . . . lpha14-1.jpg |
| [20:38:19] | iamlindoro: | Amusingly, that was a mockup for them, they couldn't get the resolution stuff working |
| [20:38:36] | justinh: | link no worky |
| [20:38:51] | justinh: | unsurprisingly |
| [20:38:52] | laga: | link worky for me |
| [20:38:59] | forrestv: | iamlindoro, the wiki talks about doing this, but doesn't mention this problem. could it be related to the theme/renderer? |
| [20:39:23] | iamlindoro: | Probably not, theme shouldn't have anything to do with catchin remote signals |
| [20:39:26] | justinh: | ah linky no worky from the log |
| [20:39:40] | justinh: | themes have no control over which elements lose focus :) |
| [20:39:43] | justinh: | I wish :D |
| [20:39:55] | forrestv: | iamlindoro, the problem is that the buttons care about whether the window is in focus |
| [20:40:06] | forrestv: | unlike the normal menus |
| [20:40:09] | justinh: | forrestv: so? why is mythfrontend losing focus? |
| [20:40:13] | ** iamlindoro wonders how he got drafted to answer questions about this problem ** | |
| [20:40:26] | forrestv: | justinh, the mouse is in another window |
| [20:40:34] | justinh: | so? |
| [20:40:43] | justinh: | move the mouse |
| [20:41:01] | forrestv: | justinh, people use that screen seperately from the tv with its remote |
| [20:41:09] | laga: | heh |
| [20:41:14] | laga: | i used to have a similar setup |
| [20:41:35] | justinh: | bloody feck. well, serves you right for being such a skinflint |
| [20:42:13] | laga: | it sucked. ie never got it working right |
| [20:42:33] | forrestv: | laga, mine's working fine besides this, which only happens with mythmusic |
| [20:42:41] | ** forrestv looks up skinflint ** | |
| [20:42:45] | justinh: | mythtv wasn't designed to be used like that, which probably accounts for its limitations in that regard |
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| [20:44:56] | gbee: | forrestv: not yet, but by the time 0.22 is released it will be |
| [20:45:07] | forrestv: | ah. |
| [20:47:07] | gbee: | forrestv: the music miniplayer is a hack really it uses a seperate borderless window, it operates differently to most other areas of myth |
| [20:47:54] | forrestv: | gbee, what? what miniplayer? |
| [20:48:48] | gbee: | forrestv: I thought you had said that the problem happened with the music miniplayer, maybe I mis-read, whatever the cause it will be fixed in 0.22 |
| [20:48:53] | justinh: | oh dear God. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Job_Queue |
| [20:49:00] | gbee: | that's what I get for trying to elaborate |
| [20:49:28] | gbee: | I'll give £1 to the first person who themes mythvideo to match that screenshot of iamlindoro's |
| [20:49:51] | iamlindoro: | Ooooh, a shiny pound |
| [20:49:55] | gbee: | as a demo showing it to be possible |
| [20:50:13] | gbee: | or a beer |
| [20:50:23] | justinh: | I'll give £10to the first person to make a completely new mythtv theme using mythui which isn't a rip off of an xbmc skin |
| [20:50:23] | gbee: | which is actually more valuable ... |
| [20:50:43] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Hey, I'm trying to do my part here :) |
| [20:51:45] | dustybin: | gbee: can the new ui make the selectors move smoothly? |
| [20:51:48] | justinh: | gbee: it wouldn't be very hard to do that at all |
| [20:51:58] | ** justinh smacks dustybin into next year ** | |
| [20:52:02] | dustybin: | why? |
| [20:52:18] | ** justinh smacks dustybin into next year properly ** | |
| [20:52:21] | gbee: | justinh: complete themes yeah, but I can't think of a better way to get people excited than creating demo screens which copy pixel for pixel a screen from every other media centre |
| [20:52:43] | dustybin: | i like smooth moving selectors :( is that a bad thing? |
| [20:52:45] | justinh: | I think my sarcasm detector is broken |
| [20:53:59] | gbee: | every time someone oohs or aahs over boxee/xbmc/media portal/mce/apple tv pull out the corresponding screen of mythtv doing the same thing :) |
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| [20:54:55] | gbee: | dustybin: smooth scrolling is planned, but whether it makes it into 0.22 depends on a huge list of more important jobs being done first |
| [20:54:56] | justinh: | considering the vast army of people doing work on new themes right now, I don't think anybody has the inclination |
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| [20:55:21] | dustybin: | aye ok :) |
| [20:55:41] | gbee: | probably not :/ still that screenshot couldn't be easier to copy, I could knock up the required images in 10 minutes |
| [20:55:49] | justinh: | besides, we've not got that nifty blur effect yet |
| [20:56:04] | gbee: | hell, 5 minutes |
| [20:56:19] | dustybin: | are all these effects because of QT4 ? |
| [20:56:19] | gbee: | I'd missed that ... hmm |
| [20:56:24] | gbee: | dustybin: no |
| [20:56:26] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, no |
| [20:56:28] | dustybin: | oh ok |
| [20:56:35] | iamlindoro: | they're all because of gbee's hard work |
| [20:56:37] | gbee: | qt4 has nothing at all to do with it |
| [20:56:40] | dustybin: | aye indeed :) |
| [20:56:44] | laga: | because gbee is awesome |
| [20:56:49] | laga: | we should send you some beer |
| [20:56:49] | dustybin: | gbee ftw |
| [20:56:52] | ** gbee vomits ** | |
| [20:57:00] | laga: | huh? no beer? |
| [20:57:02] | justinh: | we should send him a good few cases, never mind some |
| [20:57:23] | justinh: | him & the rest of the prolific contributors |
| [20:57:36] | dustybin: | so all these effects are coded in C ? |
| [20:57:46] | gbee: | that blur is interesting, wonder how they do that – not literally, but in the theme |
| [20:58:18] | justinh: | gbee: they have a tag in the xml which says 'blur under this' |
| [20:58:55] | gbee: | simple enough then |
| [20:59:19] | justinh: | e.g. <imagetype name="foo"><filename>blackbox.png</filename><positio n>wah,woo</position><blurunder>yes</blurunder></imagetyp e> |
| [20:59:21] | gbee: | yeah, no reason why I can't add that |
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| [20:59:49] | gbee: | maybe for the gl painter only though, I'll have to think about it |
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| [21:00:13] | justinh: | thing to call is, whether to do it on the reflection or not |
| [21:00:37] | justinh: | doesn't harm to have some gl only effects |
| [21:01:07] | justinh: | actually IIRC their blurring tag isn't a boolean.. they have different strengths |
| [21:01:18] | iamlindoro: | Might get some people to dump their old matrox'en |
| [21:01:30] | justinh: | and pVR350s :) |
| [21:01:54] | justinh: | though with a quad core 4Ghz CPU, they could always use software opengl :) |
| [21:01:57] | iamlindoro: | justinh, "It's a perfectly good piece of equipment!! I don't understand why all the devs are letting this previous gem lose support!" |
| [21:02:05] | iamlindoro: | er precious |
| [21:02:19] | justinh: | previous gem is prolly more correct ;) |
| [21:02:25] | iamlindoro: | haha |
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| [21:04:18] | justinh: | ruh? is that blur just another mockup? http://xbmc.org/trac/ticket/5453 |
| [21:04:28] | justinh: | hahaha |
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| [21:05:15] | justinh: | I could've sworn I saw a forum thread where that was discussed & they talked about how it was actually put into the skin engine |
| [21:06:35] | gbee: | ticket is just two days old? Could be that they've already added it and they are cursed with users who don't read the commits list |
| [21:06:54] | iamlindoro: | Such a thing is unheard of |
| [21:08:08] | justinh: | I think I read about it from a link I followed from the aeon skin page |
| [21:09:47] | justinh: | chuffing eff! image masking pretty please! http://www.aeonproject.com/dropbin/aeon2_showcase3.jpg |
| [21:10:03] | iamlindoro: | wow, 19483 ought to finally shut some people up, go Daniel |
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| [21:12:33] | justinh: | rather makes http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . concept5.png look like poo |
| [21:13:51] | justinh: | gonna have to gut this watch recordings screen. I really don't like the mix of horizontal & vertical lists |
| [21:17:14] | justinh: | gbee: at the risk of sounding like an utter pain in the backside, would there be any danger of being able to have an expandable/contractable vertical list so when a list is no longer selected it shrinks? kind of like the default (old) way but not as space wasting |
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| [21:18:57] | gbee: | anything is possible, won't say it's a simple addition though |
| [21:19:35] | justinh: | is vertical text possible yet? |
| [21:20:22] | gbee: | faster/easier would be a list which slides out of the way, once the animation xml is in then it would just require some hooks added so that animation can be triggered on certain actions (loss of focus etc) |
| [21:20:30] | gbee: | which was my plan anyway |
| [21:20:39] | justinh: | that'd work :) |
| [21:21:15] | gbee: | vertical text isn't possible yet, but not difficult I'd guess |
| [21:21:29] | justinh: | and you could have a tab on the left or the top of the box with the group/show name in it |
| [21:21:52] | justinh: | so once again I'm getting a bit ahead of myself. not to worry |
| [21:22:36] | gbee: | not sure I'll be working on any special effects until the rest of the frontend screens are ported, since that's more important |
| [21:23:30] | justinh: | it wouldn't have to slide to satisfy me (ooerr missus) but I can see how it'd be as easy to do both at the same time |
| [21:23:43] | gbee: | it's comparatively boring, but necessary |
| [21:24:25] | justinh: | I had another look at the button spacing stuff when I got bored the other day. still confuzzled the hell out of me |
| [21:24:53] | gbee: | the movement animation stuff has planned for a long time and the groundwork was done long before I touched mythui, it just lacks xml and some hooks as I mentioned before |
| [21:25:02] | justinh: | I don't like things beating me like that |
| [21:25:33] | gbee: | the wrapping/scrolling stuff gives me a headache, literally |
| [21:25:46] | gbee: | especially when combined |
| [21:26:27] | justinh: | I used to write scrollers in assembly back in the 8-bit days. only character level, not pixel (ZX81) |
| [21:27:47] | justinh: | does myth do any fancy double buffering tricks etc? |
| [21:28:33] | gbee: | by scrolling I mean the 'keep selected item in centre of list' stuff, the scrolling text was easier though not without it's challenges |
| [21:28:42] | justinh: | I've not even seen the mythuitest demo run properly yet. everything just leaves trails when it moves |
| [21:29:01] | gbee: | justinh: the painters automatically double buffer, at least the QT one does |
| [21:29:17] | justinh: | gbee: yeah, lists are annoying when they don't contain odd numbers of items ;-) |
| [21:31:24] | justinh: | this is one of the things where I can see an argument for using a set of libs like clutter |
| [21:31:49] | justinh: | not saying I'd advocate it for one second, but I can see the argument |
| [21:32:19] | justinh: | stupid question but does qt not have a set of stuff for jobs like this? |
| [21:32:36] | gbee: | doesn't give us the same level of flexibility in implementation that writing our own stuff does, look at the fact that Chutt just wrote a VDPAU based painter |
| [21:33:27] | gbee: | plus clutter is just a wrapper around stuff like opengl, might as well use opengl directly IMHO |
| [21:34:17] | justinh: | yeah but the main thing is, somebody else has already done the hard sums |
| [21:34:27] | gbee: | not seen anything in QT which we could use, might be there but mostly QT is about the traditional desktop application |
| [21:34:44] | gbee: | aye |
| [21:34:50] | justinh: | well, there was the qt coverflow gadget, maybe there's much more |
| [21:35:43] | gbee: | heh, yeah, it wasn't a widget – it was an example bit of code explaining how it might be written |
| [21:35:48] | justinh: | ah |
| [21:36:27] | gbee: | and it's not the coverflow that you and I might imagine, it was pretty basic really |
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| [21:38:07] | justinh_: | oops. I broke out of screen not irssi |
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| [21:38:44] | justinh: | derrrr |
| [21:40:25] | gbee: | anyway, discussing cool stuff isn't getting it done |
| [21:40:53] | gbee: | I need to make use of the time left in this holiday |
| [21:41:06] | ** gbee has been pretty lazy so far ** | |
| [21:41:37] | justinh: | yeah I need to pick up my damn crayons again soon |
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| [21:42:18] | justinh: | got almost another week off work. still need to do the backend HDD upgrades |
| [21:42:55] | gbee: | I thought I'd spent a few hours every day from boxing day onwards, but today is the first time I've even looked at code and it didn't really last very long |
| [21:43:14] | justinh: | it's good to have a break though gbee |
| [21:43:37] | justinh: | overwork breeds contempt & bad habits |
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| [21:45:20] | gbee: | underwork breeds worse habits ;) |
| [21:45:40] | justinh: | heheh |
| [21:45:47] | dustybin: | :P |
| [21:45:52] | justinh: | yeah, like doing mythtv theme work at work |
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| [21:50:41] | gbee: | as long as you can get away with it ;) |
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| [21:51:27] | justinh: | if things weren't normally so slack at this time of year I'd be very worried |
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| [22:03:27] | iamlindoro: | Think #6018 has been established to be the fault of his listings, btw |
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| [22:13:00] | LabMonkey: | uhh |
| [22:13:12] | LabMonkey: | what happened to the theme with the little animated tv guy? |
| [22:13:38] | LabMonkey: | I upgraded from 0.20.something to 0.21 and the theme is gone :( |
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| [22:13:58] | iamlindoro: | Mepo has never been an official myth theme |
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| [22:14:04] | iamlindoro: | it's likely not .21 compatible |
| [22:14:06] | LabMonkey: | ahh |
| [22:14:07] | LabMonkey: | mepo |
| [22:14:13] | LabMonkey: | hrm |
| [22:15:31] | LabMonkey: | no I don't even see mepo on my system anymore =\ |
| [22:16:03] | LabMonkey: | err |
| [22:16:23] | LabMonkey: | yeah I guess it may have been removed from the package for version-incompatibility |
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| [22:30:31] | abqjp: | iamlindoro: the patch daniel added to http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5866 seems to fix channel changes which have resolution changes. |
| [22:30:59] | abqjp: | iamlindoro: HD-PVR ^^^ |
| [22:31:20] | abqjp: | iamlindoro: HD-PVR ^^^ |
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| [22:36:41] | emes: | does this actually work: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Windows_Port ? |
| [22:36:57] | wagnerrp: | kinda sorta maybe almost |
| [22:39:01] | emes: | if i build from subversion will it work with a 0.21 backend? |
| [22:39:44] | mashzmash: | Anyone seen myth's job scheduler spawn a process multiple times for a single user job? http://pastebin.ca/1295375 |
| [22:39:51] | wagnerrp: | if you build from subversion, it will work with whatever backend you want it to (starting from 0.16 or so when the code was first put into subversion) |
| [22:41:07] | laga: | huh |
| [22:41:18] | laga: | you will need the correct revision |
| [22:41:24] | laga: | and there was no windows port in 0.16 :) |
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| [22:42:08] | wagnerrp: | stop correcting my snide remark... :P |
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| [22:42:55] | mashzmash: | ignore my question; it seems those are nuvexport children |
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| [22:44:35] | saahleh: | is it possible to launch an external program via the mythtv menu (something like:<action>exec /usr/bin/opera --kioskmode</action>? |
| [22:44:36] | gbee: | if you can get it to build I'm told that the Windows build works, seems a few people are using it |
| [22:45:29] | gbee: | but I don't know how those people define 'works', whether everything works as it should and would under linux ... |
| [22:45:50] | gbee: | saahleh: asked and answered |
| [22:46:14] | saahleh: | gbee: seriously? That will work? |
| [22:46:51] | gbee: | saahleh: pretty much, might be "EXEC" instead of "exec" but yes |
| [22:49:12] | saahleh: | Thanks. I should go to the casino one day... :) |
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| [22:54:39] | Mr_Grieves__: | I'm having problems getting a kworld 115 (using saa7134) to "behave" under myth. |
| [22:55:05] | Mr_Grieves__: | I followed the instructions on the wiki, and there is a picture, but no sound, and I can't change channel. |
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| [22:56:52] | iamlindoro__: | excellent patience |
| [22:56:52] | wagnerrp: | no soup for you! |
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| [22:57:39] | waxhead: | cool... got my nick back... |
| [22:57:48] | dustybin: | my mythtv setup is running rock solid again, look forward to keeping a full years worth of uptime from jan1st |
| [22:57:57] | gbee: | waxhead: ghosted them? |
| [22:58:03] | Mr_Grieves__: | I'm watching the logs and when I change channel it just says "NVP: prebuffering pause" |
| [22:58:10] | waxhead: | gbee: how so? |
| [22:58:22] | gbee: | waxhead: you have registered your nick? |
| [22:58:33] | waxhead: | gbee: I thought I had.... |
| [22:58:42] | waxhead: | which surprised me when I get waxhead_ |
| [22:58:56] | gbee: | because I wouldn't expect to keep it unless you have, but once you have you can 'ghost' aka kick anyone, including yourself who uses it |
| [22:59:20] | waxhead: | you have to love magazines... discovered stuff about myth in one of them.. linux format I think... |
| [22:59:46] | waxhead: | need to do up a DVD of some recordings.... |
| [22:59:46] | Mr_Grieves__: | There is an error being thrown about the audio, here: http://pastebin.com/m78115846 |
| [22:59:58] | waxhead: | gbee: really? How do I do that? |
| [23:00:08] | gbee: | waxhead: sounds like the server thought you were still connected after a disconnectionm which is where ghost comes in handy |
| [23:00:16] | gbee: | waxhead: /msg NickServ help |
| [23:00:41] | waxhead: | gbee: thanks... |
| [23:01:22] | gbee: | waxhead: /msg NickServ help ghost |
| [23:01:31] | gbee: | for specific information on using ghost |
| [23:02:05] | waxhead: | gbee: thanks.. seems I've been around longer than I thought: Registered : Aug 29 10:48:50 2005 (3 years, 17 weeks, 3 days, 12:12:33 ago) |
| [23:02:22] | waxhead: | I'll keep it in mind for next time... |
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| [23:03:07] | Mr_Grieves__: | The sound comes through headphones plugged straight into the kworld card, but I can't get it to go through my speakers, connected to another sound card. |
| [23:03:40] | Mr_Grieves__: | Should myth handle this on it's own? There are no problems of this sort from my PVR-150. |
| [23:04:19] | wagnerrp: | a PVR and a K-World have NOTHING in common |
| [23:04:32] | iamlindoro__: | using digital tuners as framegrabbers should be punishable by death |
| [23:04:34] | wagnerrp: | one is a framegrabber and digital tuner, the other is an mpeg encoder |
| [23:05:19] | Mr_Grieves__: | wagnerrp: I'm aware :D I just meant to point out that audio is correctly setup within myth |
| [23:06:03] | wagnerrp: | meaning its a framegrabber, and even worse, it appears to not have a built in audio capture device |
| [23:06:15] | wagnerrp: | you have to loop it through your sound card |
| [23:07:33] | Mr_Grieves__: | wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Kworld_ATSC_110 according to this, that shouldn't be neccessary. |
| [23:07:46] | Mr_Grieves__: | Of course, according to that, this card should be a snap to set up :D |
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| [23:10:18] | Mr_Grieves__: | iamlindoro: I don't seem to get any channels digitally with the card, so I looks like I'm stuck with framegrabbing for now...unless there is some way to get the analog signal through dvb drivers that I'm not aware of...? |
| [23:11:04] | iamlindoro: | analog and DVB are by definition opposites |
| [23:11:18] | Mr_Grieves__: | That's what I thought :( |
| [23:12:05] | waxhead: | OK.. any links to how to acrhive to DVD for mythtv? |
| [23:12:15] | waxhead: | the wiki looks a bit sparse... |
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| [23:13:28] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mytharchive |
| [23:13:32] | iamlindoro: | That's *sparse* to you? |
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| [23:16:05] | Mr_Grieves__: | Any ideas on what could be wrong the setup? |
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| [23:25:29] | Mr_Grieves__: | Odd...the input just changed to the other connector after a reboot... |
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| [23:37:44] | k-man_: | when i run mythfrontend on my mac, it says it does not detect any upnp servers |
| [23:38:12] | k-man_: | and even if manually configure it to access the backend server it fails to connect to the databaes |
| [23:40:21] | Mr_Grieves__: | Does myth use v4lctl to control framegrabbers? |
| [23:46:08] | abqjp: | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081228 . . . t-rules.html |
| [23:48:12] | Mr_Grieves__: | So...what's a good place to go for help with setting up mythtv? |
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| [23:52:31] | LabMonkey: | is there any kind of known issue in which scrolling through the tree in mythvideo causes X to hang at 100% cpu? |
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| [23:54:30] | LabMonkey: | ...and then get an oops |
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| [23:59:07] | venger: | the mythtv poster tagged to each video, is that location supposed to be a global thing? i'm setting up another frontend and notice all the post locals point to how they were set up on the original frontend. i noticed a setting in media settings itselt to set the poster directory, which is set differently on this frontend. anyway will i break the other frontends links if i start changing it on this new frontend? |
| [23:59:43] | venger: | post locals should read "poster locations" |
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