Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, December 27th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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sid3windr:

lol

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squish102:

is there any easy way to get my recordings from one backend to a new one? i have rsynced the directories and they all the same on both machines?

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squish102:

and my movie collection? I'd hate to go imdb all of them again

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iamlindoro:

See sections 23.5–7 in the manual for the recordings

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iamlindoro:

for the movies, so long as they're in the same mounted spot, you can dump and restore the contents of videometadata

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iamlindoro:

using a similar method to the stuff in 23.5–7

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squish102:

thanks again

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iamlindoro:

np

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waxhead_:

quick question, when importing CD's (audio) as perfect (.flac) is there anyway to keep the album/track info?

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waxhead_:

the problem is when I got to covert to mp3 for music players there is no info ( like id3 ) for the tracks...

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jester45:

would mythtv be good for just local file playback on a tv?

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jester45:

im looking for a nice media center app but dont (yet) want to recode tv

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jester45:

i might try recoding tv later but for now i just want to play my movies and music on my tv

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sid3windr:

standard #mythtv-users reply: if you don't need pvr, you don't want mythtv

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sid3windr:

that said, I use it for that too ;)

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squish102:

jester45 have you looked at xmbc.org?

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jester45:

sege pointed me at that

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jester45:

looks nice

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sid3windr:

x-mox bedia center?

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squish102:

no idea how it functions, i use mythtv

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squish102:

http://xbmc.org/

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iamlindoro:

justinh, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-S

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Now we don't have to be nice to them any more

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justinh:

yay

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justinh:

too out of it to read it though

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iamlindoro:

Heh, I did the time math and figured as much ;)

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iamlindoro:

Gave them lots of purty pitchers to follow, so no more excuses

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

been a while since I was afflicted, so somebody up there decided it'd be fun to give me a cold for christmas

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iamlindoro:

I always seem to get my yearly near-death experience around this time of year

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justinh:

hey has nobody patched that khz/hz snafu yet?

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iamlindoro:

Is it a snafu?

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justinh:

ah never mind

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iamlindoro:

Not like we *have* to match the way lyngsat/dvb-utils does it

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iamlindoro:

(although I guess it wouldn't hurt)

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justinh:

still though, not all that user friendly needing all those zeros

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justinh:

hey what do I care? I don't even got DVB-S

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iamlindoro:

Just think of all the chinese language news you'd be missing here in the US of A

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justinh:

myers

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justinh:

tell you what though, seeing that Sony consumer DVR over the break has kind of pushed me back into working on that skin effort

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iamlindoro:

Now you've done it, now I've got to write the patch

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iamlindoro:

good job

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iamlindoro:

You just said skin, you must be sick

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** iamlindoro goes to find a sony dvr pic **

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high-rez:

I don't think it's neccessarily a bug to have to enter the fully qualified frequency (i'm assuming this is in mythtv-setup?)

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justinh:

high-rez: you might have a point. some people have issues with kilo/mega...

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iamlindoro:

high-rez, Nobody called it a bug, but it *would* make sense for us to match the way lyngsat/dvb-utils/*everyone* does it

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justinh:

oh let's not forget milli vs mega ;-)

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justinh:

m vs M

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iamlindoro:

It's bit versus byte that weeds out the retarded

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high-rez:

Eh, I've gotten so used to entering the full thing that I'd almost hate to see it change. :)

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justinh:

saying that, I've written up a couple of specs where I mistyped milliseconds as mS. oops

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justinh:

high-rez: yeah well, there's many an argument for keeping the status quo (wrong) in mythtv-setup that goes along those (video source) lines ;-)

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** justinh sets up a script to pipe all dissent to directly /dev/null **

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high-rez:

Wrong is all right by me, as long as I'm totally used to doing the wrong thing. :D

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iamlindoro:

justinh, We learned a good lesson though-- never ask for input

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justinh:

and learned it well!

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justinh:

I've figured to hell with batting the new theme towards core too

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justinh:

screw it. not worth the aggro

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iamlindoro:

need to release anonymously

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iamlindoro:

"oh, look what I found on rapidshare!"

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justinh:

I'll do it for me & only for me. still not sure about the new watch recordings layout

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justinh:

that's what using something for 5 years does for ya

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iamlindoro:

Could always write a new new

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iamlindoro:

That's what mythui is for after all

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justinh:

yeah but... how many different layouts would actually *work* though?

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justinh:

personally I would really like to see a gallery style view

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justinh:

that's not quite 'right' either though since a storage group is essentially flat

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iamlindoro:

Was visualizing something sort of like the old xbox "blades" personally

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iamlindoro:

where each blade = a title or group, set by user

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justinh:

blech. waste of screen space IMHO

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iamlindoro:

Plenty of screen space to spare if you say screw overscan safe :)

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justinh:

5% ain't gonna make any odds

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iamlindoro:

Saw some DVR ideas I rather liked from uverse/Moxi, but it wouldn't have the same effect without the show banners being integrated

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justinh:

the issue here might just be a lack of automagical scrolling – since an awful lot of group / show names are too long for the view & get cut short without making the text too small to read

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iamlindoro:

So I plan to annoy gbee about that and hooks for "latest_recorded" and "latest_video" etc.

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justinh:

I've alsoo thought that a collapsible left pane would be cool

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: ooh, you added more. ;-)

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dustybin:

Jeeze, I didn't realise one has to power off a computer before a Nova-T 500 reads new firmware, a reboot isn't good enough as its still in a 'warm state'

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justinh:

so as you go in (right) the group/show name pane goes offscreen leaving more space available onscreen

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iamlindoro:

Since when I finally get off my rear and write my theme I'd like to have a "heads up display" on the top menu showing newest recording, newest added video, etc. with previews

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, Yeah, I'm done with it for now I think

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, Since this morning there were *no* docs on the subject I think I'm satisfied with a days work

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justinh:

iamlindoro then you'd have a case for a good horizontal menu scheme like that Aeon effort – since you wouldn't be wasting so much screen ;-)

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Yeah, that's kind of what I had in mind (not Aeon, but collapsable)

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justinh:

it'd feel like peeing on gbee's parade to say mythui is nice but it's not gone far enough, so I won't say it

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Well it's not done yet and he seems open to suggests (so long as he agrees/likes them), I think he'd take it the right way

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dustybin:

smooth scrolling selectors ftw

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iamlindoro:

er suggestions

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** dustybin runs **

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justinh:

anyway from what I've seen it's laid the groundwork for shoehorning more tags in like <collapsible> or whatever

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justinh:

the main aim was to give the project widgets for all seasons, and that it's doing very well

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iamlindoro:

justinh, What's this Sony DVR? Not finding anything that fits the bill in terms of ugl

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iamlindoro:

ugly

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justinh:

can't remember the model number

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justinh:

it doesn't have a nice name

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justinh:

think it might be the RDRHXD860S

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justinh:

put it this way, browsing its EPG, you can't just hit one button to schedule a recording

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justinh:

it says stuff like "woo, this scheduled recording MIGHT affect other recordings you have scheduled. Are you sure?"

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iamlindoro:

Yay, mechanical turk conflict detection!

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iamlindoro:

"Are you sure YOU don't want to do and see if this conflicts?"

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iamlindoro:

er to go

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justinh:

in a Japlish kind of way. it's obviously engineered to satisfy control freakery

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justinh:

very clever though, it can re-encode DVB recordings on the fly to a lower bitrate, and it allows editing

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iamlindoro:

Heh, we allow half of that

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justinh:

but you can't recode existing recordings to a lower bitrate

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justinh:

it'll also record analogue at up to 15Mb/sec

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justinh:

and it'll encode DV to mpeg, and you can dump USB HDD camcorders to DVD with it (and edit)

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justinh:

put it another way, I wouldn't have chose it for me let alone my inlaws

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justinh:

the UI is a monospaced font too.. all light blue & grey. very utilitarian

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, some good, some bad

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justinh:

when you want to browse the EPG & just hit 'record'...

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justinh:

which I generally do

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iamlindoro:

Can't recall the last time I looked at the EPG let alone scheduled from it

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justinh:

it's won several awards. bugger knows how

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justinh:

deadly quiet, great picture quality.. HDMI upscaling etc.. prolly what did it, not the ease of use

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justinh:

the DVD archival menus make mytharchive look like Roxio's 'My 1st Ever DVD coaster'

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justinh:

it's always interesting to see how myth compares to a typical 'consumer' product, since so many people on the mailing lists whine on & on about myth being a 'product'

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iamlindoro:

I *hate* that

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justinh:

very illuminating infact. ok so some things can be done better but by God they're not half as bad as the majority of standalone gear

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iamlindoro:

moreso since I've starting hacking on myth

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justinh:

tivo et al notwithstanding of course

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justinh:

since they seem to know their user interface onions in terms of plain ole ease of use

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justinh:

myth ain't xine yet baby ;-)

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RyeBrye:

yeah, TiVo does their UI very well

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iamlindoro:

When I was podging together the trailer bits, getting comments in the ticket as to how it should work irritated me to no end

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RyeBrye:

justinh: have you played with Boxee at all?

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justinh:

RyeBrye: countless focus group sessions work wonders

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RyeBrye:

justinh: yep, $ talks

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justinh:

*when said focus groups include REAL PEOPLE

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GreyFoxx:

Anyone know any free windows bases capture software? I've got an electronic eyepiece which is suppose to come with a CD but it wasn't in the box.

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justinh:

*not mailing list 'contributors'

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iamlindoro:

giving a crap about making people use your product helps too

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RyeBrye:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

Windows recognizes the device but now I needsomething to capture video and take indvidual stills

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iamlindoro:

whereas most people actually working on myth don't give a crap about whether anyone "adopts"

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RyeBrye:

Charging $20 a month for the privilege of using your product while still not being profitable shows they have put a lot of moey into something

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iamlindoro:

RyeBrye, They're *charging*?

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: erm.. trying to remember.. that bttv based thing.. might only work for V4W devices though...

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RyeBrye:

iamlindoro: sorry... that's TiVo

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iamlindoro:

ah, yes

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: or do you mean screen capture?

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: This eye piece is some sort of "CIF Single Chip" device, the driver lists it as an SoC PC-Camera

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justinh:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

nah, capture from the camera

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justinh:

erm.. btwincap is one I think

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GreyFoxx:

darn cd was not in the box and can't find it via lots of googling and searching their website

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justinh:

that might've only been v4w

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GreyFoxx:

Hmmm does virtual dub capture from generic cameras? I'd love to take video an individal stills

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justinh:

dscaler might work, at a push

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justinh:

it used to have basic capture features

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justinh:

right. time to shutdown & see if I can beat this bastard in time for the weekend

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justinh:

nn all

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GreyFoxx:

\

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J-e-f-f-A:

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mattwj2002:

hi everyone

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mattwj2002:

well I got some Christmas presents for my mythtv box

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mattwj2002:

:D

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mattwj2002:

I got a WinTV PVR-500

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mattwj2002:

and I was able to order a Blu Ray drive with some Christmas money

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** jamesd found a sweet deal on a sony blu-ray player before xmas ( $150) **

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mattwj2002:

nice

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mattwj2002:

that is a stand alone player right jamesd?

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jamesd:

yeah $12 more than the walmart special and it was online so no going to stores on day after thanksgiving

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jamesd:

yes standalone.

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mattwj2002:

that is a heck of a deal

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mattwj2002:

:d

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mattwj2002:

I got a Blu Ray drive for $90

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mattwj2002:

off of new egg

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jamesd:

yeah... i found it at slickdeals.net and 2 hours after they announced it... it was on backorder, but i still ordered and got it.. took about 2 weeks...

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mattwj2002:

nice

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mattwj2002:

you have it setup all ready?

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jamesd:

yeah newegg usually has some quite nice deals

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jamesd:

yeap.. i've had it since the 2nd week of december...

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mattwj2002:

in Windows or Linux?

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jamesd:

its a standalone player.. no OS needed.

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mattwj2002:

oh I misunderstood

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mattwj2002:

I thought you also bought a blu ray drive in addition to your standalone drive

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mattwj2002:

:)

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wagnerrp:

'player' vs. 'drive' or 'rom'

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mattwj2002:

indeed

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jamesd:

it has a ethernet connection.. so it will do live content but haven't got that to work yet... but its sony they will get it working someday

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jamesd:

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-BDP-S350-1080p-Blu . . . cm_cd_f_pb_t is the model i got..

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mattwj2002:

looks good

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jamesd:

to be honest i don't see that much improvement in picture over my sony upscaling dvd player but the menu system is fast and sweet, but resolution isn't there yet except for the studio anouncement pages.

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mattwj2002:

hmm

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mattwj2002:

that kind of sucks

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mattwj2002:

:(

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mattwj2002:

what do you have for a TV?

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jamesd:

well i allready get 1080p on regular dvd's .. i have a 1080p olevia 42" tv.

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mattwj2002:

oh wow

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jamesd:

the upscaling feature does a pretty good job on DVD's... i'm sure bluray will get better but its not there yet

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mattwj2002:

yeah I have heard a lot of people say that

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jamesd:

i was going to wait.. but at $150 for the player family wouldn't let me wait any longer.. my son works at blockbuster so he gets free bluray rentals anyway... so i took the leap.

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mattwj2002:

nice

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mattwj2002:

I got a blu ray drive I am going to put in my mythtv box

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jamesd:

of course it was only 2 months after i bought the sony upscaling dvd player...

[02:50:38]

mattwj2002:

crazy

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jamesd:

mattwj2002, just playback or does it write blu-rays as well?

[02:50:50]

mattwj2002:

I hope my system is fast enough for linux blu ray?

[02:50:56]

mattwj2002:

just playback

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wagnerrp:

do you have an nvidia 8-series?

[02:51:33]

mattwj2002:

nope but I think it is only series 6 or 7

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jamesd:

mattwj2002, good luck... nvidia video card helps a lot.. mythtv gives my dual core opteron a workout... with my fx1400 nvidia card.

[02:51:48]

mattwj2002:

I got a quad processor

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mattwj2002:

and I'll have 4 GB of RAM

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wagnerrp:

i doubt any dual core opty would manage the highest bitrates

[02:52:17]

wagnerrp:

any quad-core anything should be sufficient

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jamesd:

yeah this box doesn't have that option... dual core and 4GB of ram... and that is what its at.

[02:52:50]

jamesd:

i just do digital tv, 1080i and its fine..

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mattwj2002:

yeah I am kind of surprised.....

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mattwj2002:

blue ray isn't only mpeg2

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wagnerrp:

bluray and hddvd both support h264 and vc-1

[02:54:02]

mattwj2002:

yeah 1080p h264 and vc-1 o_O

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jamesd:

no bluray on mine.. just what ever my kworld 115's put out.

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mattwj2002:

wagnerrp do you have a blu ray drive?

[02:54:21]

wagnerrp:

sortof...

[02:54:27]

mattwj2002:

sort of?

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wagnerrp:

ive got my PS3, and ive got a linux partition on it

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mattwj2002:

ah got ya

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wagnerrp:

but ive not used the linux partition in a year or so, and ive never tested the disk on anything but install

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mattwj2002:

so you would recommend a series 8 nvidia graphs card wagnerrp?

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wagnerrp:

the drivers are beta, and the playback is only available in trunk

[02:56:30]

wagnerrp:

but it seems to work fairly well

[02:57:17]

mattwj2002:

is series 8 better than something newer even?

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RyeBrye:

that asus 8400 silent 512meg one is g98

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RyeBrye:

so yes, it's better than my 9500GT which is g96 iirc

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mattwj2002:

crazy

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wagnerrp:

8,9, and GTX cards all work well enough

[02:58:19]

wagnerrp:

g98 chips support VC-1 as well

[02:58:36]

RyeBrye:

that asus one is a steal right now, imho

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mattwj2002:

linky ryebrye?

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RyeBrye:

one sec – lookin

[03:00:46]

RyeBrye:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121235

[03:01:07]

RyeBrye:

someone else bought one of those and confirmed it's g98

[03:01:22]

RyeBrye:

so $39.99 + $10 MIR

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wagnerrp:

ive got that card, although i was under the impression it was g84

[03:01:41]

RyeBrye:

wagnerrp: how recently did you buy it?

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wagnerrp:

mid-november

[03:02:04]

RyeBrye:

there is some glxinfo type app that tells you what chipset it is

[03:02:23]

mattwj2002:

$40 is pretty good

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RyeBrye:

jackson__ said on 12/13 that: "Neato, my just recieved Asus EN8400GS SILENT 512MB is indeed g98 "

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wagnerrp:

well i cannot play back vc1 on mine, or at least could not last i tried

[03:06:02]

RyeBrye:

intersting

[03:06:04]

RyeBrye:

512meg version?

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mattwj2002:

is vc1 harder to play or h264?

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iamlindoro:

vc1 is just a MS reimplementation of h.264, they're about as hard as one another

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mattwj2002:

got ya

[03:08:19]

wagnerrp:

vc1 just has a different entropy coding, that the earlier nvidia chips cannot handle

[03:08:36]

RyeBrye:

where is the mythlogbot url?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv.beirdo.ca

[03:13:01]

RyeBrye:

wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/m7ed134d4 is the link jackson posted to the output of nvclock

[03:13:33]

RyeBrye:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2008-12-16 is when it was being discussed – "[16:31:40] jackson__: yup, just finished playing the sample vc1 and wmv3 clips via VDPAU :)"

[03:13:47]

RyeBrye:

I wonder if your cards came from different batches

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iamlindoro:

there are two processors in 8400 GSes

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iamlindoro:

original 8400s were non-g98

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iamlindoro:

current ones are

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mattwj2002:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_PureVideo . . . revideo_GPUs

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GreyFoxx:

VPDAU != PureVideo

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iamlindoro:

^^ Exactly!

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mattwj2002:

wait a second!

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mattwj2002:

it shows the chipset of different boards

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mattwj2002:

that was the point

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iamlindoro:

(not to mention the data in that table is largely wrong)

[03:20:26]

mattwj2002:

ex: Geforce 8 8400 G98

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mattwj2002:

okay

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mattwj2002:

just trying to help

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iamlindoro:

as different boards within the same product have differing GPUs

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mattwj2002:

ok

[03:20:58]

iamlindoro:

and the VP# thing is a community thing not used by nVidia

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: For a 1TB drive would you recommend a "Western Digital WD10EACS 1TB SATA HD 7200rpm 16MB Hard Drive". The Seagate drives may be cheaper but it seems people in this channel have had numerous issues. I thought you owned Western Digital 1TB drives. Are there alternate 1TB or 1.5TB drives you would recommend?

[03:26:42]

RyeBrye:

I've had no problems with my 1TB 7200.11

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, I do own the WD Green Power 1TBs, which are replacements for *many* failed Seagate 1 TBs. Haven't lost a one, am very very happy.

[03:26:59]

wagnerrp:

there are no alternative 1.5TB drives

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RyeBrye:

I've lost 3 WD drives in my lifetime – so I don't buy them anymore

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RyeBrye:

I've not lost any Seagate drives

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wagnerrp:

over what period of time?

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RyeBrye:

obviously, it's mostly luck

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iamlindoro:

It's not luck at all, it's batch

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RyeBrye:

yeah, probably true

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iamlindoro:

Get 40 drives from a bad batch, lose 40 drives. Proceed to swear off of Seagate forever

[03:28:23]

iamlindoro:

But even I, after replacing 40 seagates, will acknowledge that it's surely from the same bad batch

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i make it a point to fill my raid with different manufacturers, and different batches, from different distributors

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, makes sense

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RyeBrye:

I like to put all my eggs in one basket

[03:28:44]

RyeBrye:

well... not really

[03:28:57]

RyeBrye:

but I don't really care too much about my dvr storage – if it fails I'm not out anything critical

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RDV_Linux:

I have used Western Digital for years with great success. I usually grow out of their drives before they fail. My numerous HD-PVR recordings are taking a toll on my available disk space. Thanks for all of your input.

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wagnerrp:

3 samsungs, 2 seagates, and 2 WDs in my current array

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wagnerrp:

and the samsungs all have different firmware revisions

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wagnerrp:

so do the seagates, the WDs use the same revision

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iamlindoro:

I've grown sick of re-ripping Bluray, each time have to do the whole set it's a multiple week effort

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mattwj2002:

what do you mean re-ripping?

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iamlindoro:

I mean ripping. Again.

[03:31:38]

mattwj2002:

oh okay

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jamesd:

ripping blurays can make even a 1.5TB drive grow small pretty rapidly given they are upto 25GB each.

[03:32:16]

mattwj2002:

higher quality at least

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mattwj2002:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

jamesd, Larger still, even, about a third of mine are in the 35 GB range

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jamesd:

damm that is about 50 discs per drive?

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iamlindoro:

s/discs/GB/, s/drive/disk/,

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iamlindoro:

yep

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mattwj2002:

o_O

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mattwj2002:

have you thought of compressing them down?

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wagnerrp:

the whole point of personally having 14TB of space is so he doesnt have to

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iamlindoro:

IMO the point of the material is quality, why would I want to sacrifice quality by transcoding them?

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mattwj2002:

you have 14 TB?

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iamlindoro:

Yes

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wagnerrp:

besides, you recompress them, and now the ripping process takes 4x as long

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jamesd:

is that ZFS based storage?

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iamlindoro:

disk is cheap

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mattwj2002:

o_O

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mattwj2002:

how many drives?

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mattwj2002:

14?

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iamlindoro:

jamesd, Naw, it's just an XFS RAID 6-- only about 9 TB in Mythvideo, the rest is System, pictures, music, recordings, etc.

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iamlindoro:

yes, 14 1 TBs

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mattwj2002:

raid 0

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mattwj2002:

:P

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iamlindoro:

What in the world would I do with RAID 0 in this scenario?

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jamesd:

that would be painful to loose a drive... re-ripping all those blu-rays.

[03:36:19]

iamlindoro:

besides "lose all my data"

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wagnerrp:

lose daya

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mattwj2002:

I was joking ;)

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Dr{Who}:

Q. how would i change the recording quality? I want to have all recording at a much reduced quality because my mythfrontend has limited connectivity

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iamlindoro:

Dr{Who}, Using what tuner type?

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iamlindoro:

If it's a digital tuner, you don't ahve any choice

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iamlindoro:

you'd need to transcode after the fact

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wagnerrp:

limited connectivity?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, He's trying to set up a mythfrontend over the internet dealie

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Dr{Who}:

WinTV-PVR-USB2 MPEG2 Encoder/Tuner

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iamlindoro:

I have mentioned how this sucks, but he is apparently disregarding that

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mattwj2002:

$139.99 for a 1.5 TB hard drive

[03:38:41]

iamlindoro:

Edit your recording profiles. Still, even at very low bitrates I wouldn't expect it to ever work right

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Dr{Who}:

i can set recording quality in mythweb when i schedule a recording and it works just cant find it in the mythfrontend

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mattwj2002:

Dr{Who} are you doing this over wireless?

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Dr{Who}:

no over the internet comcast -> comcast i get around 5mbit / 30mbit but I want to keep it down

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mattwj2002:

got ya

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Dr{Who}:

i have my home box connected to my office system just need to reduce it a "little"

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wagnerrp:

your IT people noticing massive bandwidth usage?

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wagnerrp:

i cant imagine they would act too kindly to you watching TV at work

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jamesd:

wagnerrp, they probably wouldn't care if it wasn't going over there pipes... watchman's used to be popular just get your work done and its most likely fine.

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jamesd:

one job i was at... had major issues when 40 people were tuned into the big basketball turnament because the bandwidth requrements... practicly took down the internet connections and it wasn't small...

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mattwj2002:

were they doing audio or video?

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Dr{Who}:

owners get to do what they want :P

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jamesd:

they were doing video...

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wagnerrp:

well ill go with that...

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nobloody:

I cant seem to turn on PCM capture in alsa so audio in playback but not from my b8776 (or whatever) board

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jamesd:

its not the owners that worry when its a fortune 500 ( big bank) its security that has a cow...

[03:53:57]

nobloody:

so any help on why I have audio playback but not record of TV or playback of TV?

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justinp_home:

Evening, folks

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justinp_home:

Having some trouble getting an IR blaster to work – it's hooked up via a USB-serial adapter

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justinp_home:

I'm wondering if it would work if I symlinked /dev/ttyUSB0 to /dev/ttyS0

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinp_home: Not all the usb-serial adapters work for lirc...

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fuxxy:

My parents got me a 22" 1080 LCD TV for christmas – OMG COLURZ

[04:02:21]

justinp_home:

This one shows up in dmesg as "pl2303 converter"

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wagnerrp:

22" 1080p? with a tuner?

[04:02:51]

fuxxy:

wagnerrp, yep, with a tuner

[04:02:51]

wagnerrp:

ive not see one less than 37"

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fuxxy:

This is an LG, pretty decent actually.

[04:03:00]

mattwj2002:

how much was it?

[04:03:10]

wagnerrp:

no, i have seen a 27" dell with a tuner

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fuxxy:

mattwj2002, Not sure, I havent asked them, and I havent researched it yet.

[04:03:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinp_home: Reason being is that the carrier is generated by the kernel toggeling one of the serial pins 38,000 times per second (or 40khz or 56khz depending on the device)

[04:04:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinp_home: and most usb->serial adapters don't support that kind of control.

[04:04:18]

fuxxy:

LG 22LG30-UA

[04:04:40]

justinp_home:

OK – this one probably should. Says it "supports all RS-232 serial applications"

[04:05:04]

fuxxy:

It's got some cool interfaces I get to mess with later, RS-232 serial and USB, (both service only, of course)

[04:05:10]

wagnerrp:

i know that adapter! ive got a GPS receiver using that bridge

[04:05:25]

wagnerrp:

or maybe its 2302

[04:06:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinp_home: Yeah, but lirc is not a "serial application". It's a hack to toggle an IR led off & on using one of the pins of a serial port. It's not using the UART of the computer, just a pin as an I/O pin...

[04:06:21]

mattwj2002:

so would this work for vc-1 playback acceleration for blu ray?

[04:06:21]

mattwj2002:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121235

[04:06:43]

wagnerrp:

there is no way to tell

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justinp_home:

J-e-f-f-A, crap. Any recommendation then on what USB-serial adapter I should get?

[04:07:00]

wagnerrp:

better to get a 9300 and be certain

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mattwj2002:

hmmm

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justinp_home:

wagnerrp, did you get yours from cablestogo?

[04:07:33]

wagnerrp:

no, came with a copy of Streets and Trips

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mattwj2002:

newegg doesn't sell a 9300

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mattwj2002:

:(

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wagnerrp:

built into the GPS device

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iamlindoro:

Sure they do

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iamlindoro:

They sell lots of them, in fact

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iamlindoro:

9300 is an integrated graphics GPU

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iamlindoro:

you just happen to have to buy it with a motherboard.

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wagnerrp:

well then 9400 i guess (i believe they work as well)

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iamlindoro:

no discrete 9400s yet AFAIK

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinp_home: look at the faq on lirc.org: http://lirc.org/faq.html — #5

[04:11:42]

wagnerrp:

i see several

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justinp_home:

Right, but that's a receiver

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justinp_home:

I'm talking about a blaster

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Ah yeah, look at that, there are a few now

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinp_home: Yeah – same applies to the blaster though, for the same reason.

[04:12:48]

justinp_home:

Crap

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fuxxy:

wagnerrp, I got one of those Microsoft GPS devices also.. It didn't work.

[04:13:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinp_home: What do you have for tuner(s)? Maybe you already have built-in blaster support?

[04:13:20]

justinp_home:

PVR-150

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wagnerrp:

fuxxy: works fine for me. the problem is getting a worthwhile mapping software in linux

[04:13:35]

justinp_home:

Doesn't appear to be the model that has a built-in blaster

[04:14:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinp_home: I have a 150 – model 26032 – has a small 'ir' port on it, but Im not sure if it's only for receiving... (i'm googling now)

[04:15:20]

wagnerrp:

the base 150s have a receiver and transmitter through that port

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mattwj2002:

justinp_home do you have cable?

[04:15:34]

wagnerrp:

although i have heard the transmitter is a bitch

[04:15:40]

justinp_home:

Yep

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wagnerrp:

have not attempted to use it myself

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mattwj2002:

okay

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justinp_home:

mattwj2002, yeah, TWC

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mattwj2002:

because OTA is gone in Feb

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mattwj2002:

got ya

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mattwj2002:

poor analog tv :(

[04:17:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinp_home: or pick up a MS MCE USB2 remote & receiver and use the blasters on it.

[04:17:08]

justinp_home:

J-e-f-f-A, mine has coax/svideo/rca input, plus another coax plug that I can't see what it is

[04:17:46]

mattwj2002:

so ATI cards are off limits for Blu Ray acceleration playback?

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justinp_home:

I'm actually thinking about getting a pci card with 2 serial ports on it

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iamlindoro:

mattwj2002, you're aware you can't play blu-ray off the disk in linux, right?

[04:18:46]

mattwj2002:

correct

[04:18:52]

mattwj2002:

I saw the ubuntu website

[04:19:11]

iamlindoro:

That ubuntu web site is totally out of date and wrong these days

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinp_home: that would definitely work.

[04:19:20]

iamlindoro:

read the myth wiki page about the topic

[04:19:24]

mattwj2002:

okay

[04:19:28]

iamlindoro:

but anyway, just making sure you knew you needed to rip the disk first

[04:19:29]

** mattwj2002 looks it up **

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mattwj2002:

yup I am aware

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mattwj2002:

thanks :)

[04:19:44]

justinp_home:

Bonus there being an upgrade path to adding another tuner later

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinp_home: btw... my 150 has Coax, svideo, video, 1/8" audio and the tiny 2.5mm IR jack.

[04:22:06]

** J-e-f-f-A doesn't think he had it in his myth server for more than a week... ;-) swapped it out for a 250 with 'real' RCA audio jacks. ;-) **

[04:23:52]

justinp_home:

Just struck me, I probably ought to have it connected to my cable box via RCA rather than coax

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinp_home: s-video would be even better. Even if you're using a lower bitrate, the source will be higher quality.

[04:25:06]

wagnerrp:

justinp_home: actually, you out to have connected using s-video

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J-e-f-f-A:

^ exactly ;-)

[04:25:22]

justinp_home:

...okiedoke

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justinp_home:

so, svideo and rca audio?

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** J-e-f-f-A has 3 Dish Network receivers feding S-Video into 3 tuners... ;-) ^ yep **

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wagnerrp:

or 1/8" audio if you have a vanilla 150

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strex:

sup fellas..

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: I think he said his 150 has 3 rca jacks... Mine has the 1/8" audio input.

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academy:

I'm very short on space on my frontend as I'm booting from a usb stick. Is it possible to only build things I need for the frontend and not the backend? I know the backend is small but the dependencies are a killer.

[04:29:47]

wagnerrp:

where are you storing video?

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justinp_home:

bah – looks like I don't have any spare RCA cables. No problem, walmart run tomorrow

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academy:

wagnerrp: on the backend

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wagnerrp:

so run pxe/nfs on the backend as well

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strex:

so I've got 2xPVR-150's that support 125 channels (or what ever) I want to upgrade my cable but that's near 1000 channels, how the hell can I use the extra channels with my current cards, or should I upgrade, and if so, to what??

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wagnerrp:

drop the USB stick altogether

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academy:

wagnerrp: that's no good for me. I want to minimise cabling so the frontend uses wifi, not ethernet.

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wagnerrp:

you dont want the frontend to use wifi

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academy:

wagnerrp: it works.

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wagnerrp:

with SD maybe, not with HD

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waxhead_:

wagnerrp: 802.11n should cope..

[04:32:04]

academy:

well I'm in the UK and I don't have HD, so there's no problem with that.

[04:32:07]

fuxxy:

Have I mentioned how much I love these PC speakers?

[04:32:08]

wagnerrp:

anyway, the point is moot

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J-e-f-f-A:

strex: you don't tune the channels with the 150, you feed it with a STB, and send the STB channel change commands.

[04:32:10]

fuxxy:

I dont' use a desktop anymore, so I attached them to my new LCD.

[04:32:25]

wagnerrp:

the best you can do without the backend is save a couple MB with one executable

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wagnerrp:

the shared libraries are required by both, and consume most of the file space

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academy:

ok, thanks

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wagnerrp:

if you want, you can use the USB stick as a replacement for pxe

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waxhead_:

although all my efforts iwth wireless has been a dismal failure

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wagnerrp:

put a boot loader, kernel, and initrd on there

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strex:

J-e-f-f-A: so if I don't have a STB I need to get one then I guess?

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wagnerrp:

then mount the root over NFS

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wagnerrp:

or maybe mount /usr on NFS

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J-e-f-f-A:

strex: Yep. Although your cable company may still broadcast some stuff in analog on their cable system.

[04:34:15]

academy:

I was considering that but I'm trying to run as little over the wifi as possible. I may resort to doing that though

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wagnerrp:

you can just mount mythtv itself over NFS

[04:35:28]

strex:

J-e-f-f-A: so if I get 2x STB's do they still go through my current PVR150's? or where does the imput get sent?

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wagnerrp:

put it in its own directory, mount it, add the necessary PATH and LD_LIBRARY variables to the environment to get it to run properly

[04:35:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

strex: Yes, they go into the PVR-150's, preferrable through the S-Video and audio inputs on the cards.

[04:36:23]

academy:

maybe

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J-e-f-f-A:

strex: Then your tuner inputs are "S-Video1", and you need to set up LIRC with IR blasters and channel change scripts to send the IR codes.

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** strex really really hates Lirc.. lol **

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nobloody:

is v4lctl in mythdora5?

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J-e-f-f-A:

strex: One complication there is that if the boxes use the same IR controls, you may have a problem setting up the IR remotes...

[04:38:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

strex: My Dish boxes can be set to 16 different codes, so I could theoretically control 16 Dish STB's with one IR blaster (and a bunch of eyes!) I use one LIRC instance now, with 3 tuners set to different IR codesets.

[04:39:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

strex: If you're lucky enough to get a cable box with an active serial port to control channel changes, then you could use that. Or maybe enven firewire... but I think they're only on the HD STB's, and not all of them.

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nobloody:

v4l2-ctl is in mythdora5 (according to my search) you wouldn´t happen to know if the command line is the same would anyone?

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J-e-f-f-A:

strex: this thread talks about using the IR blasters from each PVR-150, seperately — which would probably be what you need to do: //www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-users@ivtvdriver.org/msg08594.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-users@ivtvdr . . . sg08594.html

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strex:

J-e-f-f-A: thanks for the help. but my question is: if I only want a few extra channels can I delete the ones I don't want on regular cable and add the ones I do want..

[04:42:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

nobloody: maybe do a "locate v4l2-ctl" after doing an "updatedb" ???

[04:42:21]

wagnerrp:

yeah, usually IR blasters are attached directly to the receiver on the device, so conflicting devices is not a problem

[04:43:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

strex: If you mean that you don't want 1000 channels showing up in your guide, yes, you can hide them from the listings – easiest way to do this is with mythweb's channel editor IMHO.

[04:44:30]

strex:

J-e-f-f-A: I agree mythweb's interface is very easy to use..

[04:45:04]

clever:

the 3000 input elements in that interface also rape every browser out there:P

[04:45:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

strex: (IE: Don't delete them, just hide them or they're likely to come back with the next mythfilldatabase run.)

[04:45:34]

clever:

i generaly disable them at schedules direct and then delete them(for the ones i never use)

[04:46:13]

wagnerrp:

clever: my browser tends to handle that page just fine

[04:46:26]

clever:

i found it used alot of cpu power

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mine handles it too. ^^ and clever's idea is good too, but I don't worry about it since I've got lotsa bandwidth to play with... (/me loves FiOS!)

[04:47:21]

clever:

my master backend is 400mhz

[04:47:28]

clever:

shrinking the program/channels table helps to speed up reschedules

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: and let me guess, 256mb ram?

[04:47:50]

clever:

Mem: 223764k total, 220336k used, 3428k free, 5512k buffers

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wagnerrp:

70 channels, 17 fields, page generation took 77ms

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** J-e-f-f-A thinks he's got 256MB ram allocated just to MySQL... ;-) **

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strex:

so if I've only got 125 channels on my 2xpvr150's can I eliminate all the channels I don't watch, and still use the pvr's for all the channels I do whatch?

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wagnerrp:

less than a second between clicking on the page, and loading being complete

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J-e-f-f-A:

strex: Only if those 125 channels are broadcast on the 125 analog channels.

[04:49:29]

strex:

J-e-f-f-A: what about adding a homerun setup, will that add the additional channels?

[04:49:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

strex: The only way you'll get everything that you pay for is with a STB as a tuner. Your PVR-150's will only be encoders in that respect.

[04:49:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

strex: Only if the digital channels are not encrypted, which is highly unlikely.

[04:52:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Gee, looks like I'll have to build a 'trunk' system to contribute my mods to mythlcdserver, eh?

[04:54:15]

strex:

bbl thanks J-e-f-f-A.....

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strex:

so how many of you out there have girlfriends/wifes that want to watch their show, and watch it now, but mythtv prevents them from doing just that?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv stops no one from 'watching now'

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strex:

unless it's on a channel that you can't get..

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fuxxy:

or unless you've got one tuner and you have it tied up recording

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strex:

because the HW doesn't support it....

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wagnerrp:

well then you just need different hardware

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wagnerrp:

moar gooder hardware

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strex:

==money.. lol

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fuxxy:

Money == W/GAF

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wagnerrp:

well you can always just watch TV directly

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strex:

wagnerrp: hell no, what's the fun in that? lol..

[05:05:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

strex: with 3 SD tuners and 2 HD tuners, I don't have that problem very much.... (that and 3TB of recordings...)

[05:05:48]

wagnerrp:

having a happy (or at least non-complaining) SO

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strex:

it's gotta be hard, and break in the process to be any fun. lol

[05:06:31]

jamesd:

multiple tuner cards can be helpful.. in some cases now if i can just teach my SO/wife to setup recordings using the web interface.. yes i know its simple but not simpler than her asking me to set them up for her.

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fuxxy:

jamesd, here, here!

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wagnerrp:

you open the listings, click a show, click the radio button, save

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fuxxy:

going to the bank herself is nowhere NEAR as easy as asking me to do it.

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strex:

jamesd: I'll second that

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J-e-f-f-A:

jamesd: Yeah, I gave her access to mythweb because it's easier to search with it... ;-)

[05:08:04]

jamesd:

J-e-f-f-A, still not as easy as "honey when is blah going to be on" or my favorite "what is on at 8pm tonight"

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iamlindoro:

It is if you always answer "Baby, I have no effin' clue."

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jamesd:

iamlindoro, and she responds.. what good is it... why did we spend all that money buying the video tuners and extta harddisk... your the geek make it work.

[05:11:54]

jblack:

I think you guys are misinterpreting "What should we watch together" as "Be my living tv guide"

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iamlindoro:

And you respond "I spent all those hours making it easy to work so even *you* could do it, honey."

[05:12:08]

iamlindoro:

And then you never have to worry about her asking again!

[05:12:20]

iamlindoro:

Who gets the dog, yes. But never that question.

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jamesd:

iamlindoro, s/asking/getting any/

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strex:

look what I started. lol.. go on...

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iamlindoro:

Encoder 17 is remote on Moriarty and is not recording.

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iamlindoro:

I like tuners.

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strex:

hopefully if netbsd lives up to it's name, I'll be back.... lol..

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justinp_home:

I suppose I'd be remiss in not asking if anybody know of a way to directly control the TWC STB's...

[05:25:58]

justinp_home:

as in, non-blaster

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wagnerrp:

serial, firewire

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fuxxy:

morse code probably works.

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wagnerrp:

beep beep beeeeep beep beeeep beep

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justinp_home:

heh

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justinp_home:

No firewire or serial ports on the box

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justinp_home:

there's a USB port

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wagnerrp:

well then IR or bust

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justinp_home:

I wonder if the USB port can do channel changes...

[05:31:20]

wagnerrp:

the 'USB' port is usually a proprietary interface for diagnostics and maintenance

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fuxxy:

my USB infrared receiver is appearing as a 'hidraw' device. Is there any way to change this?

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wagnerrp:

you may be able to work some udev mojo

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fuxxy:

hmm.

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fuxxy:

would it be a wise move to disable hidraw support in the kernel?

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portablejim:

I can only pick up two channels. Is there some way to improve mythtv's sensitivity.

[05:41:07]

RyeBrye:

maybe put a dress on it and play soft music to it?

[05:41:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ugh... thought I found a fix to my occasional tinny PVR-500 2nd tuner audio – "v4l2-ctl -d 2 -c audio_layer_ii_bitrate=13" — but it just returns "Invalid Argument", and I can't find anything [useful] on Google yet... ugh...

[05:41:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

portablejim: maybe re-aim the antenna, or buy an RF amplifier?

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portablejim:

USing TVtime I cna pick up more channels, but I don't ahve sound (I have sound in mythbuntu.

[05:46:59]

fuxxy:

okay.

[05:47:16]

fuxxy:

I think I've come to the conclusion that this infrared reciever is broken.

[05:47:38]

fuxxy:

it's got a status LED just like my mceusb2 does, but even it doesnt flash when I use an infrared device next to it

[05:47:50]

fuxxy:

whether it be the remote that came with it or another remote.

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iamlindoro:

fuxxy, Have you ever seen it light up? If not, how can you be sure it's a status LED?

[05:50:26]

fuxxy:

It's the only LED on the board, other than the reciever.

[05:50:37]

fuxxy:

it's built almost exactly the same as my mceusb2 reciever.

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iamlindoro:

So... once again, what makes you so sure that's its purpose?

[05:51:07]

iamlindoro:

Lots of USB receivers are built almost exactly the same as an MCEUSB

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fuxxy:

What makes you so sure it's not? What would be another purpose for a red LED on an infrared reciever?

[05:51:57]

iamlindoro:

being an hidraw device sounds exactly correct for a cheap IR receiver than emulates a keyboard

[05:52:20]

clever:

watch the led with a digital camera

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iamlindoro:

fuxxy, I'm trying to make the point that you assuming its broken because it doesn't behave like another device that is *not* the same device is a silly assumption

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iamlindoro:

and that there's a very good chance it's not an LED at all but an IR device

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fuxxy:

What would the purpose of that be? That would be a horrible location for a blaster.

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clever:

which is why i said use a digital camera, which can detect the ir

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fuxxy:

clever, it's not an ir LED. It's just a red LED.

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro, I don't assume its broken because the LED doesn't light. I'm assuming it's broken from a whole host of symptoms, including the non-working LED. The main symptom is that nothing is generated when I cat the device and press buttons on the remote (which works for other people with the same exact device)

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clever:

ask the 'other people' if the light comes on?

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fuxxy:

clever, I would, but the "other people" are on mailing lists.

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fuxxy:

lappy's about to shut down, I'll piddle with it later.

[05:57:38]

clever:

ahhh

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clever:

and that reminds me to check my mailing list bot

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wagnerrp:

mailing list bot?

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clever:

box

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wagnerrp:

NVGs on woot

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CoffeeIV:

Is there a way to customize the frontend so that it starts up in the Media Libary -> Watch Videos menu instead of the main screen ?

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iamlindoro:

"mythfrontend video"

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iamlindoro:

However this means you can't access any of the *other* Myth functionality

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iamlindoro:

better to bind a remote key to the mythvideo jumppoint and press that on start

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CoffeeIV:

iamlindoro: thanks, I will try "mythfrontend video" and see if that works for me — I'll do the remote thing later (I don't actually have a remote yet on my system)

[07:05:47]

CoffeeIV:

a related question — if I hand-copy a file to /var/lib/mythtv/videos/ , do I have to do something special to make mythtv notice it and add it to the list in "watch videos" ?

[07:06:10]

wagnerrp:

is /var/lib/mythtv/videos where mythvideo is pointed to?

[07:06:50]

wagnerrp:

if you add any content to mythvideo, you must rescan (or you must have mythvideo set up in file browsing mode)

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CoffeeIV:

wagnerrp: thanks, I will look into the file browsing mode

[07:08:40]

wagnerrp:

in file browsing mode, your video list is static after you enter mythvideo

[07:08:57]

wagnerrp:

if you add a file, you have to back out to the main menu, and re-enter mythvideo

[07:09:20]

CoffeeIV:

what I am doing, is I made a udev rule so that when I stick in a USB flash drive, it copies videos to the right place — I would like mythtv to notice them as soon as I copy them there, if possible

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wagnerrp:

you can write a script to add the files into the database as well

[07:10:14]

wagnerrp:

but you will still have to back out to the main menu before mythtv recognizes any new content

[07:10:20]

wagnerrp:

from the database or from browsing

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CoffeeIV:

ok

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iamlindoro__:

Sphery is awake

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sphery:

iamlindoro__: and he escaped from family for a few minutes...

[07:47:24]

iamlindoro__:

Only took him til nearly 3 AM

[07:48:07]

sphery:

Yeah... Though I have to admit that I spent the day doing things for me--bought a new truck.

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iamlindoro__:

Nice! Congrats

[07:49:37]

iamlindoro__:

I sat around all day and wrote a DVB-S article for the wiki. Now I can say I accomplished something Myth-related this break

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sphery:

iamlindoro__: cool... and written by someone whose focus was where it should be

[07:51:18]

iamlindoro__:

indeedly doo

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iamlindoro__:

first paragraph actually contains warnings about all that

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sphery:

nice... it should

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iamlindoro__:

Hate that it has to, but it must

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sphery:

wow, you're not kidding that you accomplished something Myth-related

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sphery:

that's even longer than my fixing corrupt DB encoding page...

[07:55:16]

sphery:

and screenshots...

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iamlindoro__:

If I'm going to do something, I'm going to do it once, and do it right

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iamlindoro__:

measure twice, cut once and all that

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sphery:

and (it seems--based on some of your other works) keep watching the page/fixing it when people break it.

[07:59:17]

iamlindoro__:

Well... yes. OCD.

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iamlindoro__:

;)

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I'll be doing the same on the DB encoding one, but at least that one has an expiry (basically, a few months after 0.22 is released :)

[08:00:53]

iamlindoro__:

Now it's only a matter of moments before someone posts the cartoon about someone being wrong on the internet

[08:01:13]

iamlindoro__:

sphery: I note that it's become impossible to stop people from posting in that stupid "HDPVR in .21" thread

[08:01:20]

sphery:

any excuse to post a link to xkcd is a good one

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sphery:

did it morph into the harsh environment one?

[08:02:10]

sphery:

oh, wait, that's HDHR...

[08:02:32]

iamlindoro__:

No, just the original guy coming abck and posting his link the the ubuntu forums where they're all discussing it

[08:02:38]

sphery:

ah, just found the post

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[08:02:43]

iamlindoro__:

with nary a mention of how they're breaking their systems

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wagnerrp:

oof! mythfilldatabase just kicked in.... my file server is bogged down

[08:03:18]

sphery:

and here I thought YL closed out that thread for you... ;)

[08:04:15]

iamlindoro__:

I find the best way to keep people from blowing up is to pre-empt them by telling them I'm going to make them angry

[08:04:28]

iamlindoro__:

They they get not-angry just to spite me

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iamlindoro__:

It's like using reverse psychology on children

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sphery:

probably a good approach. it took years for them to get them to the point where they expect any of my posts to make them mad

[08:05:09]

sphery:

s/for them/for me/

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iamlindoro__:

heh

[08:06:10]

sphery:

"Edit: Added SOLVED to the title since my issue is now fixed." Guess there's no need to post the "solution"

[08:06:45]

sphery:

oh, it's later in the thread

[08:07:35]

wagnerrp:

its not mythfilldatabase... what the hell else would be hammering my file system

[08:09:20]

sphery:

yeah, mfdb shouldn't really do much to a file server... It's mainly CPU intensive.

[08:10:21]

sphery:

(and, possibly network intensive, if not SD)

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wagnerrp:

log files dont indicate anything, although i seem to still be under the same brute-force SSH attack that started back in mid-november

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wagnerrp:

their dictionary search has made it to 'raphael'

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sphery:

fwknop ftw!

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sphery:

fwknop = "how I got my btmp growth under control"

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wagnerrp:

seems to have shifted to a different file system

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sphery:

maybe updatedb running?

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wagnerrp:

seems its just whatever gets run by 'periodic'

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wagnerrp:

some daily system sweep

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wagnerrp:

seems in 5 years ive been running freebsd, ive never been working on it during the daily maintenance scripts

[08:22:27]

wagnerrp:

maybe just nothing interactive enough for me to notice it

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clever:

i usualy notice when updatedb runs, but i think half the problem was having 2 run at once

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clever:

i somehow wound up with both slocate and mlocate

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wagnerrp:

well it wasnt really impeding anything, it just caused video to stutter momentarily when it started

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clever:

same

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clever:

the io load from updatedb caused minor lag in everything

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clever:

and the / for every linux system is stored on nfs

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clever:

only the redhat and router escape the io delays, and i allmost never interact with them

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wagnerrp:

son of a bitch, nvclock picks up my card as an 'NV98'

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wagnerrp:

ill have to give VC-1 another try

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dustybin:

what can i do to find out what is causing this:

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dustybin:

[10754.091632] mythfilldatabas[10291]: segfault at 216cdc86 ip b5bd81b7 sp b49007cc error 4

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dustybin:

could this be the work of a corrupted db?

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laga:

are you using qt 3.3.8?

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dustybin:

ii libqt3-mt 3:3.3.8b-5

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laga:

yeah, that's normal then

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dustybin:

oh ok

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dustybin:

a qt problem! thats not like debian to leave bugs like that

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laga:

it's a well known problem, you can go check ymthtv trac

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laga:

mythtv*

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dustybin:

ok thanks

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dustybin:

ive told the debian geeks hehe

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dustybin:

the only problem left in my system is: dib0700: Unknown remote controller key:

[11:02:24]

dustybin:

my log gets filled up with those, something to do with the nova-t 500 driver

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wrye1:

howdy, trying to capture a mpeg4 stream over dvb here in Ireland. On the whole it seems to be working, but the video gets blocky with motion...

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wrye1:

not sure exactly whats the cause of this, codecs on the playback machine, bad encoder on the transmitting side or if the signal isn't strong enough

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wrye1:

I posted a 60mb sample on my server (should only take about 30secs to download): https://lynch.dyndns.tv/test1.mpg .... would be very interested in hearing your thoughts on what might be causing this

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justinh:

er.. wth was meant to be the matter with that mpg file? looks sparkly to me

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justinh:

hahaha just noticed VLC media player's icon is wearing a santa hat

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clever:

lol

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sid3windr:

not here :(

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justinh:

jees. that clip is over 5mbits/sec. if he thought that was blocky I hope to god he never sees Freeview

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clever:

WARNING: certificate common name `Frank Lynch' doesn't match requested host name `lynch.dyndns.tv'.

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sid3windr:

:]

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sid3windr:

personal ssl cert!

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clever:

and not properly generated even:P

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justinh:

don't mind my laptop being pwned ;-)

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justinh:

wow. SDTV at over 5mbits/sec h.264. properly decoded that'd have to be pretty close to as good as analogue. we really got the short straw in the UK :-\

[12:24:29]

clever:

i cant see any blocking in test1.mpg

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clever:

and its not even hard on my cpu

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justinh:

nor me

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justinh:

maybe it's a decoder version problem

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justinh:

older ffmpeg versions coughing, perhaps

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clever:

i just had some sync problems, but the dl wasnt complete and i tried to seek

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clever:

na the sync problem is still there

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justinh:

looks very good actually. 5mbits/sec is a high bitrate for SDTV with mpeg2 nevermind h.264

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clever:

i think my default capture rate is just in the area of 2.4mbit/sec

[12:27:15]

clever:

at much lower res

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justinh:

there's a bit of blocking at the very start of the clip, but I think that's just a glitch

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clever:

but oddly, the thing seems to be starved of cpu

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clever:

test1.mpg has some lag in the video

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justinh:

seems fine here sync-wise

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clever:

yet cpu usage is only ~50%

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justinh:

you have a different version of ffmpeg :)

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clever:

mplayer

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justinh:

same thing really

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clever:

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justinh:

ahh regression :)

[12:29:01]

justinh:

VLC for windows, version something or other

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clever:

i just threw together a script to fetch&build&install trunk for mythtv&wine&mplayer

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justinh:

0.92 here. heh

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justinh:

right. time to go collect the (allegedly) fixed car

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clever:

Segmentation fault (core dumped)

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clever:

test1.mpg kills vlc :P

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fdlinux:

sorry for this, but pastebin.ca does't work

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fdlinux:

mce:~ # cat /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm

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fdlinux:

1230365400

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fdlinux:

mce:~ # echo "0" > /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm

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fdlinux:

-bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument

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fdlinux:

mce:~ # echo "0">/sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm

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fdlinux:

-bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument

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fdlinux:

mce:~ # echo 0>/sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm

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fdlinux:

mce:~ # cat /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm

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fdlinux:

1230365400

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fdlinux:

anyone know how i can write that zero into that file

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gbee:

what are the options for a lossless stream re-mapping/removal aside from ffmpeg? ffmpeg can't handle BBC HD and I'm trying to strip the subtitles and one of the two audio streams from a recording to reduce size

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gbee:

Currently 22Gb ....

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justinh:

whee finally logged in properly. first time in weeks :)

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laga:

hey justinh

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justinh:

hey laga. have a merry one?

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gbee:

why has no-one answered my question? hello?

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gbee:

:p

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gbee:

hi justinh

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laga:

justinh: um. no.

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laga:

justinh: and for you?

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dustybin:

im going to leave my backend on for as long as i can from jan 1st

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dustybin:

no reboots

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laga:

why?

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dustybin:

uptime ftw

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laga:

my backend is offline most of the time

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dustybin:

my backend is also my mail server, rtorrent, irssi, etc

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laga:

ah, okay then

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laga:

i've got that on a dedicated box

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justinh:

laga: had cold. otherwise it was ok til yesterday when somebody took the last slice of bread during lunch at my folks' place

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laga:

justinh: heh

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dustybin:

laga: why not combine everything into 1 box, the backend hardly takes any resources at all

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justinh:

tree hugging ftw

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dustybin:

aye

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laga:

dustybin: that dedicated box is in a real data centre

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dustybin:

oh ok

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dustybin:

laga: ask the guys at the datacentre to stick in your tv cards hehe

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laga:

heh ;)

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justinh:

gawd, just know I'm getting better when my appetite goes nuts

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justinh:

oh hell. first tech support call about the sony DVR. why they had to buy that piece of crap I don't know

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justinh:

they set it to record something & guess what? ;-)

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gbee:

it recorded perfectly?

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laga:

"couldn't connect to the master backend server. is it running?"

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dustybin:

LOL

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dustybin:

im tech support for when my sisters frontend goes down, on the whole its been pretty good

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gbee:

did they try tvtime first? what about running sonydvr-setup?

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dustybin:

my sister can now navigate around mythmusic

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gbee:

really? usually takes years for most people to master that

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dustybin:

indeed!

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justinh:

it hasn't recorded anything since I set it up the other day. I suggested turning it off & back on again. seems to have fixed it

[14:12:49]

justinh:

but if it can't stay up & working for a couple of days at a time I'd say it'll be going back soon

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dustybin:

justinh: you should of built them a backend/frontend combo for xmas :)

[14:13:11]

justinh:

no, I really shouldn't have

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dustybin:

heh

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justinh:

I did suggest a topfield or a humax but no

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justinh:

they had to get the one with the 200 page user manual

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justinh:

that's 200 pages of English, not 5 different languages

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gbee:

but it's Sony!

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justinh:

mmyers

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justinh:

I'd expect better of them but apparently not

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justinh:

anyway, now it's S.E.P. :D

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_styelz:

would Knoppmyth and Mythbuntu, do pretty much the same thing ?

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_styelz:

spoze i should just download em and find out

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justinh:

pretty much

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justinh:

they're both intended to be painless routes to getting a mythtv system set up

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justinh:

and they both need the user to pay attention a little & RTFM

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_styelz:

ok

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_styelz:

im wondering if one would be .. well, more upto date with svn than the other

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_styelz:

patches etc

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_styelz:

hm ok they have weekly build updates on mythbuntu

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_styelz:

erm um er

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justinh:

probably safe to say knoppmyth is more tried & tested...

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justinh:

but neither solution is any kind of magic bullet, remember that

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gbee:

new release of knoppmyth is supposed to be something special

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justinh:

bugger. I start hacking on 6017 & I have to go shopping

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justinh:

if this isn't the last instance of missing image files I ever have to sort out I will scream blue murder

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dustybin:

"justin, get off that bl****dy computer"

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_styelz:

hehe

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gbee:

so long as all you do is scream it justinh ;)

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justinh:

gbee: heh

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justinh:

there. now get off my case & stay off it please folks :)

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iamlindoro__:

No patch with a number that high deserves fixing

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iamlindoro__:

s/patch/ticket/

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gbee:

so we don't have to fix new tickets from this moment on? hurrah

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iamlindoro__:

Based on history, 6xxx can be ignored until 7xxx ;)

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erb:

i just added a new hard drive to my mythbuntu box and it shows up as an ntfs drive

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erb:

but i cant figure out how to convert it to xfs and mount it

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justinh:

so format it

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erb:

i forget how is my problem

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gbee:

drakdisk

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gbee:

oh wait, Ubuntu

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iamlindoro__:

mkfs.xfs

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justinh:

unmount it, then mkfs.xfs

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justinh:

assuming you have xfs stuff installed. ubunuts doesn't come with it by default

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erb:

mythbuntu does

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** justinh sighs a 'whatever' sigh **

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hajmola:

hey, my myth box completely shuts off in the midst of playing a DVD, does anyone know why this happens?

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RyeBrye:

I thought ubuntu does comes with xfs and it was fedora that didn't

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RyeBrye:

\'

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gbee:

hajmola: overheating?

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iamlindoro__:

You have to pay your power bill

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Demerzel_:

at least mythbuntu comes with xfs support

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hajmola:

gbee, it only happens when playing a DVD, but not things like playing HD content from the HDD

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justinh:

PSU crapping out?

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justinh:

probably ^^^

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erb:

i know mythbuntu does xfs out of the box

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Demerzel_:

got a question for those in the know ... is there a way to present all my tv channels via UPnP?

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justinh:

Demerzel_: no

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erb:

thats what it mounted my file system as by default

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iamlindoro__:

RyeBrye: Stock Ubuntu does not, Mythbuntu does, but only because it now creates the recordings dir as xfs by default

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Demerzel_:

bummer

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hajmola:

justinh, could my DVD player be drawing too much power?

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Demerzel_:

it would actually be pretty sweet i think

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justinh:

Demerzel_: live tv is last century tech anyway

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** gbee shrugs, faulty DVD drive? faulty PSU overstretched by supplying the DVD drive? **

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Demerzel_:

well

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Demerzel_:

live tv in that it's timeshifted

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hajmola:

ah, that makes sense

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erb:

how do i figure out what device path my new hard drive is located on

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hajmola:

thanks all

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justinh:

hajmola: too much for your PSU. more likely your PSU is getting tired or your motherboard is developing *badcaps*

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Demerzel_:

but it's still available to view what's on in the now

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iamlindoro__:

fdisk -l

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iamlindoro__:

thats dash ell

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hajmola:

justinh, it's a pretty new shuttle PC, i hope badcaps aren't the problem

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justinh:

shuttle don't make pretty anything

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justinh:

:-P

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hajmola:

haha, shit

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iamlindoro__:

justinh: HA

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iamlindoro__:

justinh: I was halfway through typing that

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justinh:

well, some folks think front mounted *everything* ports are pretty

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justinh:

anyway...

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iamlindoro__:

MOAR HANDLES

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justinh:

maybe your DVD drive is going baaaaaad

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erb:

Disk /dev/sdb: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes

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erb:

255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders

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erb:

Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

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erb:

Disk identifier: 0xf0ddce6b

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erb:

nice

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justinh:

OI !

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gbee:

*sigh* I'm going to have to think about buying lots of > 1Tb drives if I want to start storing films recorded from BBC HD, 50 per 1Tb is crazy

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hajmola:

justinh, it's a pretty old drive, i hope that's the problem

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justinh:

!trout erb pastebin

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** MythLogBot slaps erb with a pastebin trout on behalf of justinh... **

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Demerzel_:

erb: use a pastebin

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Demerzel_:

pastebin.ca

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justinh:

gbee: ahh but the quality :)

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justinh:

gbee: saw your comment about ffmpeg pooing its pants doing a stream strip. bad effort

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iamlindoro__:

gbee: 50 per $100 drive = $2 to store, still cheap

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Demerzel_:

gbee: can't you transcode them to x264 or something w/ 100 quality?

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Demerzel_:

surely there's some redundancy that can be picked up?

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justinh:

gbee: you'll just have to fix h.264 lossless transcoding :-P

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gbee:

Demerzel_: err, they ARE h264 and x264 doesn't exist

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iamlindoro__:

not as a codec anyway

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Demerzel_:

x => variable

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Demerzel_:

wasn't sure of the letter :)

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gbee:

granted it looks fantastic, really, especially stuff like Pirates of the Carribean which I recorded yesterday (not sure I wanted to keep that film, but still)

[16:34:12]

gbee:

22Gb for a 2 hour film, recorded straight off DVB-S

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** justinh notes ITV's Careline number & plans to pass that onto the next person in the UK with mythtv problems **

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justinh:

11Gb an hour? that's not so bad

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gbee:

lose the lower quality audio stream and I'll save 500Mb

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justinh:

US 'HD' isn't that much less & it's mpeg2 (blech)

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Demerzel_:

bytes? or bits?

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iamlindoro__:

justinh: Was chatting with John Poet about it the other day, since they're TSes anyway, assuming our new TS parser is marking accurate file offsets, lossless transcode *should* now be as easy as seeking to nearest GOP and doing some straight up copying from offset to offset

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Demerzel_:

i keep having around 6GB/hr

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gbee:

justinh: most stuff I've recorded upto now is 8Gb/hr

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Demerzel_:

that's from comcast tho

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justinh:

ugh. so much for the 18mbits/sec then

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iamlindoro__:

s/TS Parser/h264 parser/

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gbee:

current total stream bitrate (in audio/subtitles) is 21mbits/sec

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justinh:

ah

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justinh:

got reading the BBC HD tech guys' blogs the other night

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janneg:

iamlindoro__: only true for cutting from start and end, cutting commercials within the program won't work

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gbee:

considering the audio bitrates 250mb/s and 384mb/s, lets call it 20mbits/sec for the video

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iamlindoro__:

janneg: Why not?

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gbee:

timestamps

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janneg:

s:mb/:kb/:

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iamlindoro__:

janneg: As one can cat multiple Tses together and have then work, why not the same here?

[16:38:22]

justinh:

good ole BBC. going ape with the audio quality :)

[16:38:25]

gbee:

janneg: err, aye ;)

[16:38:32]

iamlindoro__:

gbee: Well yess, the timestamps would be screwy, but it would *play* properly AFAIK

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justinh:

iamlindoro__: dunno how that'd play with slices though

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gbee:

true I guess

[16:39:21]

justinh:

hmmmm maybe keyframes is keyframes is keyframes.. my head is a shed

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iamlindoro__:

justinh: If you are cutting at an i frame boundary it should be fine I would think

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janneg:

it will play mostly fine, probably some hicups around the cut

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gbee:

ugh, why is ffmpeg trunk no longer building ffplay

[16:40:17]

janneg:

especcially if audio and video aren't synced in the stream

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janneg:

gbee: missing sdl headers?

[16:40:30]

justinh:

anyhoo.. wifey's car seems fine with its brand new ECU. funny but I wouldn't just tried reseating the connector first. ach well so long's it's fixed

[16:41:40]

justinh:

s/wouldn't/would've

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gbee:

janneg: possibly, I've got some installed for mythmusic but under Mandriva at least SDL is divided up into a dozen packages so it might want one I don't have

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justinh:

bleh. Amazon.co.uk recommends Mamma Mia! – amazon.co.uk have no fscking taste!

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iamlindoro__:

Isn't that based on things yo^H^H^H^H^H your wife has ordered?

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justinh:

don't know/care

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justinh:

they're going to my junk folder from now on :)

[16:51:01]

iamlindoro__:

I get 10,0000 emails from amazon.co.uk a week with Doctor Who stuff because I imported *one* season

[16:51:53]

justinh:

oops

[16:52:08]

justinh:

it's a distraction but I wouldn't want to *own* dr who

[16:52:34]

justinh:

reminds me I need to watch the xmas edition before I 'accidentally' delete it

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iamlindoro__:

You're not faced with the wasteland that is American Television

[16:53:04]

iamlindoro__:

Let's cancel this good show and add another procedural crime drama/reality show!

[16:53:12]

iamlindoro__:

</Bitter about Pushing Daisies>

[16:54:11]

justinh:

just got into 30 Rock. it's kind of ok

[16:55:50]

justinh:

it's no 'IT Crowd' though :)

[16:57:24]

sphery:

30 Rock gets better, too

[16:57:46]

sphery:

it's an acquired taste, I think (kind of like The Office--at least the US version of The Office)

[16:58:24]

justinh:

can't see that. I find 30 Rock palatable

[16:58:43]

justinh:

every time I see Gervais I just want to smash my telly

[16:59:05]

justinh:

had too many bosses like his character, the c***

[17:03:04]

sphery:

I haven't seen the UK version of the Office, but in the US one, the boss (Steve Carell) is /very/ annoying (to the point that I thought I'd hate the series) at first, but after a while you feel some empathy for him

[17:03:16]

gbee:

personally prefer 30 Rock to the IT Crowd, 30 Rock is just a touch more subtle

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gbee:

sphery: if anything it's worse in the UK series, I find the The Office (UK) excruciatingly embarrassing ... embarrassed by what a character does on a TV show?! To the point where I find myself looking away and cringing

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gbee:

I actually can't stand Ricky Gervais for his performance in that, it's bizarre

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sphery:

too bad...

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gbee:

on the other had, though Steve Carell's portrayel is annoying and quite similar, I don't react the same way

[17:08:56]

gbee:

s/had/hand/

[17:09:28]

sphery:

though the selfish side of me is glad that we got the more watchable one :)

[17:10:11]

gbee:

sphery: I'm in the minority, The Office is hugely popular and I'm not even saying the series is bad, far from it, just that Ricky Gervais hits some nerve with me

[17:12:02]

gbee:

he's now doing Hollywood films and the clips I've seen are equally cringe-worthy ...

[17:12:28]

sphery:

I'm trying to remember if I've seen him in anything

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gbee:

you've got to understand what I'm saying here is enough to get me lynched, to some people he's a national treasure and The Office is the greatest comedy this country has ever produced ;)

[17:13:56]

sphery:

looks like other than The Simpsons, I've never seen a show or movie he's in, and The Simpsons doesn't really give you much of an idea of the actor's style, so...

[17:13:59]

iamlindoro:

Stay on the line, a mob will be with you shortly

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Demerzel_:

gervais is in extras, no?

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Demerzel_:

or was

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sphery:

yeah

[17:14:40]

heyheyhey:

anyone use comcast digtal cable

[17:14:41]

heyheyhey:

?

[17:14:45]

Demerzel_:

certainly the clip on youtube with him talking to patrick stewart was awesome

[17:15:09]

Demerzel_:

more for patrick stewart than gervais

[17:15:09]

Demerzel_:

but hilarious nevertheless :)

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iamlindoro:

heyheyhey, You should just ask a specific question rather than ask for people using specific providers/equipment/etc, you'd be surprised what people know

[17:15:24]

gbee:

Extra's I liked better than the Office

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heyheyhey:

i see

[17:15:48]

gbee:

Extras, minus the apostrophe

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heyheyhey:

i have a sd cable box can i use it with myth threw serial end

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heyheyhey:

?

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iamlindoro:

What serial end?

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heyheyhey:

my cable box has a rs232

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heyheyhey:

port

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iamlindoro:

Are you asking if you can capture TV through a serial port?

[17:17:04]

heyheyhey:

no to control it

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iamlindoro:

heyheyhey, Generally, no.

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heyheyhey:

what do i need to control it

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iamlindoro:

You'd need to use an IR blaster

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Demerzel_:

ir blaster or something similar

[17:17:41]

Demerzel_:

command ir is nice too

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heyheyhey:

okay so i need to get one of those black things

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heyheyhey:

for my mce

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heyheyhey:

then i can hook up cable box into my wintv to go card on channel 4?

[17:19:12]

Demerzel_:

aye

[17:19:15]

Demerzel_:

or so i'm told

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Demerzel_:

i've never used a cable box for this stuff

[17:19:25]

iamlindoro:

You would do that if you were capturing from the coaxial outs, yes

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iamlindoro:

Though you should avoid coaxial capture like the plague

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heyheyhey:

thank ya

[17:19:45]

iamlindoro:

S-video would be best, or failing that, composite

[17:19:57]

heyheyhey:

well so i can use yellow ones

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iamlindoro:

RF capture is only path-of-last-resort

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heyheyhey:

okay thank ya

[17:20:18]

iamlindoro:

The "yellow ones" = composite

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heyheyhey:

i will have to goto radio shack and get some parts

[17:20:36]

heyheyhey:

thank yo

[17:20:38]

heyheyhey:

you

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iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

"The Home of the Digital Home. We are an Open Community in the Home Automation and Domotics space."

[17:21:38]

iamlindoro:

Domotics??

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gbee:

hmm, does ffplay require an additional argument to use more than one core for decoding?

[17:21:52]

iamlindoro:

gbee, -threads

[17:22:01]

gbee:

iamlindoro: thanks

[17:22:06]

iamlindoro:

you are welcome

[17:23:35]

gbee:

:/ not making any difference, still only using a single core and bizarrely usage on that core is dropping to 30% (video/audio stuttering badly)

[17:24:30]

gbee:

thought I'd played with ffplay + h.264 on a dual core system before ...

[17:26:30]

gbee:

can't even remember what I was trying to debug now

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justinh:

mmm threads. conjures an image of milk bottles melting on a doorstep

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janneg:

gbee: threading code has to be enabled: --enable-pthread

[17:58:35]

gbee:

it is

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gbee:

--enable-pthread? might explain it, I was using --enable-pthreads

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dustybin:

"justinnnnnn your teas ready, you better not be back on that blooooooody computer"

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** justinh smacks dustybin in the face with a cast iron frying pan **

[18:16:43]

justinh:

heheh what's the best way to waste a £00 phone? By using it as a remote for mythtv of course! :)

[18:16:54]

justinh:

er.. £300

[18:19:10]

justinh:

ah. time for dr who. I need a nap

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, You know the best way not to have to make excuses for anything you do, up to and including being on the computer? HAVING A JOB.

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justinh:

next time I see a personal tax return I'll be looking for the 'do not contribute to the malingerer's benevolent fund' box to tick

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iamlindoro:

I would put real money on his not having applied for any menial labor or minimum wage job

[18:29:26]

** justinh recommends 2nd life. beats having life #1 **

[18:29:42]

iamlindoro:

Even in second life, their money costs real money

[18:29:47]

iamlindoro:

there goes that idea ofr him

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directhex:

couldn't find life #1 on bittorrent

[18:30:42]

** dustybin looks forward to another year of unemployment **

[18:31:15]

iamlindoro:

I look forward to you being one year closer to certain death due to sedentary lifestyle

[18:32:05]

dustybin:

:(

[18:32:08]

iamlindoro:

this is all a result of being drastically underbeaten as a child

[18:32:50]

** dustybin sings Michael Jackson 'Man Child' **

[18:32:53]

justinh:

tragic

[18:33:14]

iamlindoro:

100% serious

[18:33:26]

iamlindoro:

the most motivated well adjust people I know got the occasionall whuppin'

[18:33:31]

iamlindoro:

s/adjust/adjusted/

[18:33:47]

iamlindoro:

sigh, s/occasionall/occasional/

[18:34:05]

dustybin:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7788608.stm

[18:34:12]

iamlindoro:

I won't even click

[18:34:19]

iamlindoro:

It's an article about the unemployment rate I'll bet

[18:34:25]

dustybin:

:)

[18:34:35]

iamlindoro:

boo hoo I can't find a job because of some fault that's NOT MINE

[18:34:48]

iamlindoro:

The first step to getting your life together is realizing YOU are the problem

[18:36:27]

dustybin:

:(

[18:37:13]

iamlindoro:

Don't frown, i'm right. You *are* the problem

[18:37:29]

iamlindoro:

So make your new year's resolution to fix yourself, and everything else will fix itself

[18:38:42]

directhex:

are we blaming the global financial crisis on dustybin?

[18:39:09]

justinh:

might as well :)

[18:39:16]

iamlindoro:

Better than blaming the dustybin financial crisis on the global one

[18:40:27]

** directhex sends iamlindoro to woolworths **

[18:41:14]

** laga still doesn't get the point of publically humiliating dustybin **

[18:41:20]

laga:

let alone do it on IRC

[18:42:11]

iamlindoro:

The aim isn't to humiliate anyone. He does fine on his own

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dustybin:

haha i dont mind, im ok

[19:00:26]

dustybin:

anybody know how to select a dir without knowing the name of one of the dirs ie:

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dustybin:

/mnt/iso/video_ts/here or /mnt/iso/VIDEO_TS/here

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dustybin:

is there a way to skip the video_ts part

[19:01:22]

dustybin:

cd /mnt/iso/.../ <-- maybe that?

[19:01:31]

** dustybin tests **

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sid3windr:

eh? :P

[19:04:35]

dustybin:

its ok, cd /mnt/iso/*/ works

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** dustybin carries on writing BASH script **

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iamlindoro:

xris, would normally ask kormoc but he's been out for a few days-- any notion of how hard it would be to add a (non-default) sort type to the listings page in mythweb to list by multiplex, maybe with some sort of seperator in between? Don't want it to be construed as feature request without patch, just wondering if it'd be terribly hard

[19:08:04]

iamlindoro:

When I was born they didn't compile in php, sooooo

[19:08:55]

iamlindoro:

my CFLAGS are +sarcasm -patience +snarky +vocabulary

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heyheyhey:

iamlindoro can i use data port

[19:09:07]

heyheyhey:

on my cable box

[19:09:15]

iamlindoro:

What type of data port?

[19:09:36]

heyheyhey:

it looks like a 9 pin

[19:09:42]

heyheyhey:

dataport

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iamlindoro:

Didn't we already have this discussion two hours ago?

[19:10:01]

iamlindoro:

sounds like RS-232 to me, and the answer is still no

[19:10:21]

heyheyhey:

well i went to radio shack best buy none have ir immertors

[19:10:33]

iamlindoro:

You'll likely need to buy one online

[19:10:46]

iamlindoro:

or make your own, you can purchase the parts at rat shack

[19:10:47]

heyheyhey:

darn

[19:10:57]

heyheyhey:

what parts do i need

[19:11:10]

iamlindoro:

go look up the homebrew receiver at lic.org

[19:11:17]

iamlindoro:

er homebrew blaster

[19:11:35]

iamlindoro:

http://www.lirc.org/transmitters.html

[19:11:37]

heyheyhey:

i have mce all i need is exter right

[19:12:30]

iamlindoro:

IF you have the mceusb receiver, yes, you would need a transmitter with a miniplug style jack

[19:12:52]

heyheyhey:

so can i make a transmitter?

[19:12:54]

iamlindoro:

You can usually find those at Best Buy, actually, but you need to tell them you need a replacement for your "tivo's" ir transmitter

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iamlindoro:

you can make a serial one, yes, and one compatible with mceusb should be simple as well (though less documented)

[19:13:32]

heyheyhey:

is it just a led

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iamlindoro:

It's an IR transmitting LED, so not a normal type, but yes.

[19:14:45]

iamlindoro:

Not just that and wires, though, read the documentation I referred you to

[19:14:51]

heyheyhey:

i can pull one out of a old remote

[19:15:12]

iamlindoro:

it's not as simple as attaching the transmitter to wires. Again, please read the documentation

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iamlindoro:

At the very least you are likely to need a resistor and some sort of small case

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iamlindoro:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId . . . 151657258489

[19:19:11]

iamlindoro:

That ought to do the trick fine, they should carry them in the "Magnolia" portion of your Best Buy

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wrye:

anyone here knowledgable on mpeg4/h.264?

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iamlindoro:

wrye, Better just to ask your question rather than ask for volunteers

[19:30:07]

wrye:

k... thanks. Trying to troubleshoot my DVB setup, the local provider sends a mpeg-4 stream, I seem to capture it ok but there is some pixelation when there is lots of motion in the video

[19:30:38]

iamlindoro:

wrye, That would imply low bitrate or poor encoding, neither of which you have any control over

[19:30:49]

wrye:

you can take a look at the vid if you like (~30 sec to download) https://lynch.dyndns.tv/test1.mpeg

[19:31:03]

justinh:

wrye: I checked that clip out earlier. looked completely fine to me

[19:31:20]

justinh:

positively sparkling in point of fact

[19:31:36]

wrye:

justinh: so you didn't have any pixelation?

[19:31:45]

justinh:

I suspect you need a newer version of ffmpeg to play it better

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wrye:

thats good news, just means that there is something wrong on my playback machine

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justinh:

unless you're moving it over a wireless connection

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justinh:

or a 10mbit wired connection

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wrye:

I am, but the copy I shared on the server would have been transported over the same wifi conneciton

[19:32:55]

justinh:

yeah but I played it after it'd finished downloading it

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justinh:

you need a more robust connection

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justinh:

between the machines I mean

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wrye:

yeah, I get the pixelation when playing it back locally

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wrye:

I'll take a look into updating ffmpeg

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justinh:

wireless is bollocks in my experience. with my laptop running linux I can't even play back ISO files in the same room as my router

[19:34:01]

iamlindoro:

wrye, What application are you trying to play with?

[19:34:02]

wrye:

justinh: what versions of ffmpeg/mplayer are your running

[19:34:16]

wrye:

playing it back with vlc on ubuntu interpid

[19:34:24]

justinh:

wrye: played fine on VLC in windows. can't remember which version but it's prolly newer than yours

[19:34:40]

justinh:

ffmpeg on my linux box choked on the same file

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iamlindoro:

I would advise using myth's internal player w/ newest fixes which has backports of the most current ffmpeg h.264 stuff

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justinh:

what iamlindoro said ^^^

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justinh:

whether that means 0.21-fixes built from source or trunk built from source, I'm not sure though

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wrye:

doh! this is part of my master plan to get irish content onto my machine in boston... headless mythtv server in ireland, ffmpeg to transcode and display on my mythfrontends and tivos in boston

[19:36:00]

justinh:

unless mythbuntu has weekly builds of -fixes

[19:36:01]

iamlindoro:

both/either

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justinh:

bloody hell. ambitious in the extreme

[19:36:27]

iamlindoro:

-fixes has backports of all the h264.c shinies too

[19:36:37]

justinh:

hope you have a > 5Mbit upload pipe then

[19:36:39]

wrye:

iamlindoro: yeah :)

[19:37:07]

wrye:

iamlindoro: yeah, not quite 1mbit up... and I only plan to get a couple of shows a week so it should be ok

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justinh:

maybe transconding would work on the file with a newer ffmpeg...

[19:37:21]

iamlindoro:

Heh, think you mean to direct that at justinh

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wrye:

iamlindoro: true, sorry... will build ffmpeg with the latest svn

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justinh:

I was pretty awestruck at the quality of that clip actually, as the logs from earlier today will show ;)

[19:38:16]

iamlindoro:

for reference, my trunk system makes short work of that clip with internal

[19:38:43]

justinh:

it's at least 5 megabit/sec h.264 SDTV .. looks way better than Freeview here. WAY better

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wrye:

justinh: cheers. will check that. Sorry had to drop off irc earlier today to deal with my 2 year old....

[19:38:52]

iamlindoro:

would expect -fixes to handle it similarly since their h264.c is nearly identical

[19:38:56]

justinh:

we was robbed, guv

[19:39:11]

iamlindoro:

justinh, You have BBC-HD, don't even talk to me

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iamlindoro:

;)

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justinh:

iamlindoro: yeah but when it comes to terrestrial it'll be a crappy bitrate

[19:40:03]

justinh:

might end up being about as 'good' as US HDTV

[19:40:21]

iamlindoro:

Hahah, quotes were never more apt

[19:40:29]

iamlindoro:

yes, that's a nice SD signal BTW

[19:40:42]

iamlindoro:

almost makes SD watchable

[19:41:06]

justinh:

it looks almost analogue in quality :D

[19:41:24]

wrye:

yeah, it is very nice, sadly the local broadcasters here in Ireland have no plans to go hd anytime soon AFAIK.

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justinh:

same crap, higher res

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justinh:

up until xmas eve my inlaws were still using VHS to record TV. looked really awful on their 42" LCD

[19:43:13]

justinh:

oops. 40" not 42"

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iamlindoro:

Now that have that "award winning" Sony?

[19:43:36]

justinh:

meh

[19:43:41]

iamlindoro:

At least you were sensible enough not to try to put them on a Myth box

[19:44:08]

iamlindoro:

As most people given a hammer see everything as a nail if you know what I mean

[19:44:09]

justinh:

true. though I might just have enough nouse to make myth muggle friendly

[19:44:45]

justinh:

then again they were just looking for a 'change channel to X at time Y & press record' thing anyway

[19:45:05]

justinh:

as in, doing it manually. they won't ever wake up either

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justinh:

had this question "and what happens when the disk gets full? do we have to get another one?". wonder what was going on when they bought it

[19:51:15]

iamlindoro:

"Yes, ma'am, you can come back here and we'll set you up with everything you need"

[19:51:29]

justinh:

heheh

[19:52:20]

justinh:

thinking back to it, it's a bit of a convergence box in its own right, albeit way more clunky than myth

[19:52:55]

justinh:

you can archive music CDs & photos to it, and it'll play divx videos.. it'll also archive camcorder guff

[19:53:29]

justinh:

the naysayers should have to use that machine for 10 minutes. they'll stop whining about mythtv

[20:04:11]

iamlindoro:

oyyyyyyyyyy OK I'm finally going to put in the res icons in the PBB. For real this time

[20:06:05]

justinh:

'the' res icons? like there ARE res icons?

[20:06:31]

iamlindoro:

Where "the" = The icons I keep starting to put in and quitting at

[20:07:07]

justinh:

when I get my higher brain functions back I need to play with that calendar selector gadget I thought about

[20:07:34]

justinh:

concept ain't going anywhere til I get that hacked up

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justinh:

beats me why nobody'd done one in the first place. best paradigm for date entry there's ever been IMHO

[20:10:46]

iamlindoro:

Is this for EPG purposes?

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justinh:

oh that and a 'go to date' effort for the EPG

[20:11:06]

justinh:

iamlindoro: for anything that needs date entry

[20:11:15]

iamlindoro:

yes, sounds like a nice addition

[20:11:56]

justinh:

just thought of another use for the alleged pie chart widget too. setting a clock analogue style

[20:12:17]

justinh:

mmmmm analogue clocks

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iamlindoro:

Also neat and useful to show the duration of a recording/conflicts visually

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justinh:

now THERE is an idea

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justinh:

you could do it with EPG style bar displays too

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justinh:

they could be done in the grid style like the EPG but representing recordings instead

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justinh:

jesus where the hell is this all coming from?

[20:14:48]

iamlindoro:

heh :)

[20:14:59]

justinh:

I be trippin !

[20:15:51]

laga:

keep on truckin'

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gbee:

don't get too carried away, easier to build upon something you've already created than aim too high to start with :)

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justinh:

aim for the stars & reach the top of a lamp post. aim for the top of a lamp post & maybe make it to pavement level

[20:17:09]

gbee:

aim for the other side of the road, get run over

[20:17:28]

iamlindoro:

"Flying's easy, you just throw yourself at the ground and miss?"

[20:17:34]

laga:

iamlindoro: win

[20:17:51]

iamlindoro:

laga, ;)

[20:17:53]

justinh:

besides, 'concept' isn't exactly a magnum opus slaved at over weeks & weeks

[20:18:05]

justinh:

just something I sort of coughed up

[20:18:14]

justinh:

it's utterly disposable

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Can you explain what it means in programinfo.h where it says "if VideoProps changes, the audioprop column in program and recordedprogram has to changed accordingly"

[20:19:20]

iamlindoro:

it *seems* like I should add VID_480, VID_720, and VID_1080 as VideoProps, but I'm not 100% sure

[20:19:32]

iamlindoro:

er VID_SD is more apropo I guess

[20:19:39]

justinh:

iamlindoro: IIRC they're done as bit masks

[20:20:11]

justinh:

<<< talking boolucks.. never mind

[20:20:30]

iamlindoro:

justinh, Bah, you can't be any more confused than I make myself :)

[20:20:57]

gbee:

justinh: with all the ideas we hear that go nowhere I'm just jaded ... sure, I'm being unfair, you aren't like all the others who have never achieved something for myth, for which I apologise

[20:21:20]

justinh:

gbee: nah no need to apologise. you're just an eternal realist :)

[20:21:46]

justinh:

you have more faith in my own ability than I do, and that says a lot about me

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: if that's a direct quote I'm not really sure what it means, I don't remember writing it and there is at least one major typo

[20:22:57]

justinh:

heck even if it takes me as long to get around to as the hackish arrow pointing gadget I concocted, it'd still be a nice widget to have :)

[20:23:08]

iamlindoro:

gbee, Yeah, it's a direct quote, it makes my head hurt :)

[20:23:48]

gbee:

yeah, it's nonsense and I can't see what it was trying to say

[20:24:11]

justinh:

iamlindoro: dont take this the wrong way but why not suck it & see? ;-)

[20:24:25]

justinh:

all you have to lose is time. and your mind :D

[20:24:33]

iamlindoro:

justinh, Ah, you've hit upon my development "philosophy"

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gbee:

except maybe that if the size of the integer in the enum increases the column size might need increasing ...

[20:25:00]

gbee:

unless the column is implemented as an SQL enum instead of an integer, which I'm pretty sure isn't the case

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gbee:

not 100% sure on this, but add the vertical resolution as a videoprop, it doesn't gel entirely with the existing HD prop in that a prop of *720/1080 implies HD, but that can't really be helped

[20:28:45]

gbee:

may not be necessary to add a SD/480/576 prop since not being HD implies SD

[20:29:04]

iamlindoro:

gbee, yeah, this is the part that makes my head hurt (interaction with the HDTV flag)

[20:29:19]

justinh:

why not just replace the HD flag?

[20:29:21]

gbee:

I'd probably replace it

[20:29:26]

justinh:

a themer can then choose

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gbee:

make that *720 and a new 1080 prop

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iamlindoro:

Because it exists in tons of places when pulling in EIT/listings/etc.

[20:29:51]

justinh:

if you see '720p' you know it's not SDTV

[20:29:52]

iamlindoro:

and it has value for upcoming recordings

[20:29:55]

gbee:

which is also true

[20:29:58]

iamlindoro:

where the resolution isn't settable yet

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justinh:

bum

[20:30:31]

gbee:

iamlindoro__: well we have a second, separate HD flag (Bruce insisted on keeping it)

[20:31:55]

gbee:

sorry to be so unhelpful, but I going to remain non-committal for now ;)

[20:32:05]

iamlindoro:

Naw, it's okay, better than I can do on my own

[20:32:16]

iamlindoro:

It's helpful to me so I thank you both

[20:37:27]

iamlindoro:

okay, basic dummy question-- I've inserted the new properties and built them into the PBB, and have written a programinfo function (ProgramInfo::GetHeight) to get the information, just not sure where the best place to call it is... when opening the playbackbox?

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gbee:

when building the list, can't remember the function name

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justinh:

hey if we ever need voice annunciation in mythtv, Peter Dickson is only £250 an hour

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gbee:

not necessary to load the programinfo directly, we load the videoprops

[20:40:46]

gbee:

err height

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gbee:

E_TOO_MUCH_JD

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justinh:

too much? THAT'S UNPOSSIBLE!

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gbee:

someone got the idea that I like it, among my Christmas presents was a bottle, a JD mug + flavoured coffee and JD chocolates

[20:44:37]

justinh:

JD chocolates? what kind of hell?

[20:44:53]

justinh:

get em young I suppose

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gbee:

http://www.chocolateheaven.com/images/product . . . 940_zoom.jpg

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justinh:

humph

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justinh:

cometo think of it, we have a bottle of JD sauce somewhere. sauce as in ketchup type stuff.

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gbee:

as chocolates go, not that great really, but it could have been another toiletry gift set so I count my blessings

[20:48:42]

academy:

I have a wierd ploblem with XvMC on EPIA. In recordings it works perfectly – my mpeg2 dvb-s rip plays fine over xvmc but whe I then move to live tv it crashes saying that xvmc-blit is unavailable for 'None' codec and then swapping to gl which doesn't work on epia. Why would this be? I'm using OpenChrome on Ubuntu 8.10.

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justinh:

gbee: heh

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justinh:

academy: weird indeedy weird

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academy:

oh yeah, I'm using trunk 19435

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justinh:

academy: unless you've set livetv to use its own playback group which'd use a different profile perhaps

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academy:

I only just compiled it so, I don't think so.

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gbee:

nah it's clearly unable to determine the correct codec for the video livetv

[20:50:21]

gbee:

in

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academy:

I have mythfrontend on another box too running plain xvideo with the same backend and it plays.

[20:52:24]

academy:

I guess it gets None codec until the backend has tuned to the channel and starts returning data. It falls back to gl which normally works but crashes on epia. Is there a way to make it fall back to epia and then when it finally gets mpeg data to use xvmc again?

[20:52:26]

justinh:

yay for plan old xvideo

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justinh:

academy: check the video playback profile..

[20:53:06]

academy:

I'm using the MiniMyth one which seems to have come with the build

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justinh:

set the fallback to xv

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academy:

ok, will add it

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justinh:

ahh how I miss my Epia M10k. NOT

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gbee:

academy: file a bug

[20:55:32]

academy:

All I need to do is add a second entry to the playback profile right?

[20:55:45]

academy:

I added an xv-blit line yet it still falls back to opengl.

[20:56:26]

academy:

gbee: I will – I just want to try to get it to work myself first so that I can report a fix if needed.

[20:56:51]

gbee:

if opengl is so unstable on the Epia you might want to stop enabling it at compile time

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justinh:

opengl on the epia erm.. is quite literally teh suck

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justinh:

remember when I had an axe to grind against the gl painter? it hadn't quite dawned on me the menu transitions weren't supposed to take 30 minutes

[20:58:20]

academy:

there we go.

[20:58:45]

academy:

had to restart mythfrontend. If used XV until the mpeg started coming through and then switched to xvmc :)

[20:58:55]

justinh:

yay :)

[20:59:05]

academy:

EPG takes about 30secs to appear though – is that fixable?

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academy:

qt mainter.

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___julian:

hi

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academy:

*p

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___julian:

someone using vdpau here?

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___julian:

wondering how the quality is with SD material?

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iamlindoro:

You mean totally unsupported not even bug reports are welcome VDPAU?

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___julian:

especially thedeinterlacing

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justinh:

academy: copy the channel icons to a mounted share in the same place as on the backend

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___julian:

iamlindoro: who does not want bug reports? – actually I work on vdpau for xine. we are open for any bugreports

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iamlindoro:

Quality is fine, about as good as Xv. SD is, after all, still yucky SD

[21:00:20]

iamlindoro:

___julian, well that would be the difference between xine and mythtv then

[21:00:21]

___julian:

iamlindoro: we actually have quite jumpy line edges when deinterlacing sd material

[21:00:29]

gbee:

academy: it's extremely slow in trunk on some machines, something to do with QT, will hopefully be faster when ported to mythui before 0.22 is released

[21:00:44]

iamlindoro:

works for me (tm)

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justinh:

I always had issues with the EPG being dog slow til I shared the channel icon images

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justinh:

I dunno if they're streamed over now though

[21:01:29]

gbee:

justinh: not yet

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gbee:

___julian: quality with SD is fine

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iamlindoro:

Yep, watching south park in Sd right now, no jump line edges, you'd be forgiven for thinking it was still Xv

[21:02:25]

justinh:

is the scaling any better with viddypow?

[21:02:30]

gbee:

HD has some issues, but those seem to be driver related (one reason we aren't accepting bug reports for vdpau)

[21:02:54]

justinh:

can it do real fancy stuff like erm.. lanzcos ?

[21:02:55]

iamlindoro:

justinh, Nothing spectacular AFAICT

[21:02:58]

___julian:

gbee: what kind of issues?

[21:03:02]

gbee:

justinh: wouldn't have said so, looks no different to XV IMHO

[21:03:07]

___julian:

gbee: we have very stable HD quality with xine already

[21:03:26]

academy:

justinh: ahh, doesn't it stream them?

[21:03:35]

justinh:

nevermind, just kind of wondering if the moon is available on a stick :)

[21:03:39]

justinh:

academy: nope

[21:03:49]

academy:

justinh: I see – thanks!

[21:03:50]

justinh:

academy: so either share em over NFS or copy em

[21:03:54]

gbee:

___julian: won't play a lot of samples, some tearing, sample I have here the colours seperate in a 3D type effect

[21:03:58]

iamlindoro:

___julian, (good lord that's an obnoxious autocomplete nick) the myth problems, as gbee said, spring from driver issues, not implementation ones, and xine is most certainly just as affected by those

[21:03:59]

justinh:

should speed it up no end academy

[21:04:15]

gbee:

all issues which occur with mplayer, i.e. not Myth's fault

[21:04:26]

___julian:

gbee: we would be interested in the problematic samples to check with xine... tearing we only see when compositing is enabled

[21:04:30]

justinh:

___julian: and some samples crash the GPU completely requiring a reboot.. so I've heard

[21:04:43]

iamlindoro:

indeedly doodly

[21:04:54]

gbee:

___julian: and one dev fried his GPU with vdpau

[21:05:11]

justinh:

all the rumours about linux one day catching up to windows are coming true :-P

[21:05:41]

___julian:

gbee: did he try to unplug the power cable for a few seconds? – I was told this should retire all freezes

[21:05:41]

justinh:

gbee: whoah I assumed that was some video BIOS update that went wrong or something

[21:05:54]

gbee:

___julian: look for recent BBC HD samples, in fact lots of broadcast samples and even samples from ffmpeg

[21:06:02]

gbee:

's collection

[21:06:11]

justinh:

or was it fried literally, as in killed itself by overheating?

[21:06:13]

gbee:

___julian: he's not stupid :)

[21:06:58]

gbee:

justinh: now works for everything except vdpau

[21:07:12]

justinh:

weird city

[21:07:16]

gbee:

indeed

[21:07:21]

___julian:

gbee: we have quite some bbc samples. none have issues here

[21:07:22]

iamlindoro:

fried shader units?

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___julian:

iamlindoro: would you be able to take a pic or a short video if the deinterlacing?

[21:08:26]

iamlindoro:

___julian, You want me to... point a video camera at my computer and video the video?

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gbee:

oh and VDPAU's error correction is shite compared to ffmpeg, if you've got signal issues then just forget it

[21:09:05]

iamlindoro:

and thus produce an interlaced sample of deinterlacing in action?

[21:09:19]

iamlindoro:

Mmmmmmmm too busy

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justinh:

gbee: how do you mean? takes longer to recover or doesn't recover?

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Takes a GOP or so to recover. When it has corruption it goes whole hog

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iamlindoro:

what would be minimal or no corruption with software decode becomes a fe seconds of corrupt video

[21:10:11]

justinh:

no worse than a hardware decoder then I assume

[21:10:13]

iamlindoro:

er few

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gbee:

I mean ffmpeg produces an image in which the only artifacts are a mild tearing effect, quite possible to miss or ignore, vdpau it breaks down into a blocky mess

[21:10:42]

justinh:

heh

[21:11:10]

justinh:

my mate says he has to reboot his freesat box when it does that, so I'd say a few seconds annoyance can be lived with by comparison

[21:11:47]

justinh:

yet another case of mythtv users not knowing they're born compared to users of 'products'

[21:11:55]

gbee:

on the other hand, it doesn't seem to crash as easily as ffmpeg does when the error count gets really high

[21:12:27]

javatexan:

is there a fancy way to see if a process kicked off by cron is running? There was an error last time it ran and I cant find the process with ls -lA |grep perl, but cron doesn't seem to want to restart the process at the next time interval either....any ideas?

[21:12:42]

justinh:

ls ?? for a process?

[21:12:52]

iamlindoro:

ps aux |grep filthypornodownload?

[21:12:57]

gbee:

vdpau still won't play my HDPVR sample – audio only

[21:13:20]

justinh:

one day :)

[21:13:46]

gbee:

javatexan: has it left a lock file somewhere ?

[21:14:52]

javatexan:

maybe...I cant find it and I hate to restart the box for this....

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justinh:

javatexan: what happens when you try to start it yourself?

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javatexan:

seems to run fine

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gbee:

same user as the cron job?

[21:16:32]

academy:

justinh: Thanks, that worked. While your here, can I pick your brains? Any other tweaks for epia installations?

[21:16:35]

javatexan:

well I am using sudo crontab and i am running sudo perl...blah

[21:16:36]

dustybin:

when you see blocks on a h.264 movie, its clever how the blocks follow the character around

[21:16:41]

javatexan:

so yeah..I think so

[21:17:09]

wagnerrp:

when you see blocks on an h.264 movie, that means someone screwed up

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dustybin:

yep indeed, but when it happens, some mad effects happen

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justinh:

academy: I tweaked mine by unscrewing the board from the case, putting it to one side & installing a core2 duo board with a T5600 CPU

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javatexan:

we have those blocks on some of our dv tapes...we were told that it is the natural decom of the tapes as they age

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gbee:

dustybin: sure that's not just them censoring?

[21:18:50]

academy:

justinh: yes, I'm tempted to buy an AppleTV to replace it. We'll see how it goes.

[21:19:01]

academy:

:)

[21:19:01]

justinh:

gbee: you mean you don't see those blocks following people in real life?

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dustybin:

no its when a box lacks cpu power and trys to play back h.264

[21:19:04]

justinh:

eek!!!!

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wagnerrp:

dv tapes are raw, uncompressed video

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** justinh checks his prescription medication again **

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wagnerrp:

there should be no blocking

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justinh:

wagnerrp: no, it's similar to MJPEG

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justinh:

it IS compressed

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wagnerrp:

i thought those things were supposed to run uncompressed 25MB/s

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justinh:

uncompressed PAL would be way more than 25MB/sec

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wagnerrp:

uncompressed PAL should be 31MB/s

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justinh:

wagnerrp: blocking can happen when a frame is corrupted. ever seen a mangled jpeg?

[21:21:28]

wagnerrp:

oddly, NTSC works out to the same bitrate

[21:21:28]

justinh:

wagnerrp: depends on the colour sampling

[21:23:33]

justinh:

ah yes. there we go. intra-frame DCT compression. not similar to mjpeg at all

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Dubstar_04:

can mythtube now be compiled with 0.21 or is the unofficial plugin page incorrect?

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gbee:

no it can't, it uses trunk libs

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: still needs trunk, and likely always will til 0.22 comes out

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wagnerrp:

mythtube requires QT4, QT4 requires trunk

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sid3windr:

mythboob

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gbee:

mythtube requires trunk mythui

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justinh:

ugh! PAL DV uses 4:1:0 chroma sampling

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justinh:

oops. 4:2:0

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Dubstar_04:

I thought so. I haven't check the page for a while and I thought it was odd

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iamlindoro:

what's odd about a new plugin requiring the development version?

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iamlindoro:

exactly

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gbee:

waste of time to develop a plugin for a version which is already 8 months old and probably has less than that to 'live'

[21:28:30]

gbee:

plus you miss out on new features etc which the plugin easier to write and a better product when it's finished

[21:28:45]

iamlindoro:

Note that MythTube doesn't even compile on trunk ATM but I've given enough of my life to fixing it and alvaro can fix this one, I have other stuff of my own I want to do

[21:31:42]

iamlindoro:

I'm hung up on when to *set* the vid_xxx flag. VID_HDTV is always set when pulling in listings, but that's not relevant here. Am thinking maybe when opening the PBB if an item has the HDTV flag, run my function and update the flag to new one?

[21:32:20]

gbee:

at recording time IMHO

[21:32:36]

iamlindoro:

but what about the theoretical res-change-in-stream?

[21:33:05]

iamlindoro:

it'd always be the last-seen if I put it there

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gbee:

hmm, post recording? weigh the % of time spent in each res?

[21:33:38]

iamlindoro:

was writing it as a SQL statement with a sort order for the longest time set at a res

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gbee:

PBB doesn't strike me as the right place at all, some users don't use the frontend much or at all (mythweb)

[21:34:01]

gbee:

or unofficial frontends

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iamlindoro:

you're right, I just am trying to figure when the right time *would* be

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iamlindoro:

s/time/place/

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iamlindoro:

Have the iconmaps done, ahve the function... just can't quite figure when to run it

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gbee:

post-recording hooks, can't point to a line without looking at the code

[21:35:11]

iamlindoro:

if you get a chance at any point in the near future I'd love the pointer, will look myself too

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gbee:

and I don't plan on looking at the code tonight

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iamlindoro:

ok

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gbee:

but if you are in no hurry, I'll keep it in mind

[21:36:03]

iamlindoro:

Not in any great hurry. If I find the spot myself, great, if not and it occurs to you, great

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iamlindoro:

I would presume somewhere in tv_rec.cpp

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gbee:

that's where I'd start

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iamlindoro:

It'll get jacked up if someone reboots their backend mid recording but that's not my problem

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: do you drink alcoholic beverages?

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, Only very occasionally, why?

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dustybin:

no reason :P

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iamlindoro:

We set filelen in tvrec::teardownrecorder, that seems as good a place as any

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sbroos_:

When I use myth tv on my 1024x600 laptop and use a widescreen skin, it displays an ugly line of pixels on the bottom of the screen

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** justinh wonders which one of the Royle Family dustybin is **

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sbroos_:

I know its a detail, but is there anything I can do about it?

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justinh:

sbroos_: try using a wide theme instead of a skin

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iamlindoro:

I'd be interested in his skin to theme conversion tool

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sbroos_:

yes I mean theme

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sbroos_:

I use a wide theme, but it has that anoying line, or more then one, of pixels on the bottom

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justinh:

on the main screens not video playback?

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sbroos_:

yes on the main screen

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sbroos_:

video playback is perfect

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sbroos_:

exept for the buzzing an shaking osd

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justinh:

weird. that shouldn't happen. on the main screens I mean

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sbroos_:

the osd is fixed when I use a different font

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sbroos_:

it still shakes a little, but not as much as with the mono font

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iamlindoro:

Try not using Bob2x as your deint

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yfaykya:

trying to track down a problem with nuvexport. Can anyone tell me its normal for "select originalairdate from recorded;" to give 0000-00–00 for all recordings?

[21:50:19]

sbroos_:

but the main menu has one, or two rows of random colored pixels in the bottom

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justinh:

sbroos_: I'm guessing you don't have a nvidia VGA device

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iamlindoro:

SiS FTW!

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gbee:

or old ATi, or Intel, or 3DFX

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sbroos_:

no, its just an intel onboard I think

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sbroos_:

its an msi wind computer

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justinh:

wind computer?

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justinh:

fart powered?

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wagnerrp:

like the eepc

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sbroos_:

yes

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sbroos_:

like eeepc but a bigger 10 inch screen

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gbee:

I don't have that problem with the intel graphics on my AA1

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justinh:

so it is fart powered :)

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justinh:

sbroos_: using the gl or qt painter?

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sbroos_:

qt

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gbee:

justinh: like an inferior Aspire One ;)

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gbee:

PC World rebadged them as Advents

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justinh:

ah. ickle laptops with 12 doors hiding tiny christmas themed chocolate treats

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gbee:

sbroos_: gl painter show the same lines?

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sbroos_:

hmm, lets try it out

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justinh:

hmm. E_NO_JACK

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henrik_:

I'm looking for information about vc1 and h.264 support in linux and in perticular mythtv decoding from graphiccard and when this will be supported.

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sbroos_:

yeah they do

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wagnerrp:

kindof

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gbee:

sbroos_: ok, that's very weird

[21:59:07]

iamlindoro:

henrik_, It exists given the right nvidia hardware, and it'll be supported when Myth .22 is released

[21:59:10]

wagnerrp:

there are beta drivers, there are beta mplayer patches, there is capability in trunk

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wagnerrp:

look into VDPAU

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gbee:

best guess it's driver related, you can see if there is an updated kernel/driver available

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henrik_:

iamlindoro thank you, but have you heard anything about the intel and the amd solution, will this also be supported?

[22:00:13]

sbroos_:

haha, if I only could move my screen a bit down the pixels would disapear

[22:00:24]

iamlindoro:

Since it doesn't exist in any usable form, odds are it won't be for .22

[22:00:24]

gbee:

henrik_: when they release information etc sure

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justinh:

henrik_: can you use google? anybody's guess as to when the rest will catch up

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henrik_:

okej! thank you... I guess i need to go for the nvidia way, even thou I prefere intel open soruce drivers.

[22:01:17]

sbroos_:

hmmm does anyone accidently know wheater there is an option in compiz or something to delete the bottom lines?

[22:01:24]

justinh:

I prefer working over non-working vapourware :)

[22:01:48]

iamlindoro:

intel is a long way from having anything working-- ATI will almost certainly be next, and intel... well, when they get around to it and Linus stops being angry at them

[22:01:57]

wagnerrp:

the ONLY intel chip that even supports it are the 4500 series, even when they do get a linux API working

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wagnerrp:

i think the lowest 500 has support as well

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wagnerrp:

(this is intel chips)

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henrik_:

wagnerrp: I was planing on building my htpc with the g45 chipset...

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iamlindoro:

Then you can happily use it in 2012 or so

[22:03:20]

justinh:

bit early to start planning to build a machine based on HW h.264 decoding yet IMHO

[22:03:21]

wagnerrp:

does the G45 have an X4500 chip?

[22:03:23]

henrik_:

but if the codec is not ut to the task I need to reconsider

[22:03:26]

iamlindoro:

When I'm watching SuperHiVision on VDPAU2

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henrik_:

wagnerrp: yes the X4500HD

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henrik_:

Any timeline for .22 final?

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iamlindoro:

when it's done

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gbee:

when it's ready

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henrik_:

okej will it be 2009 2010, some kind of goal must be set :P I know it's a comunity driven project so one can not have any demands.

[22:06:31]

RyeBrye:

henrik_: 209f

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justinh:

ugh wtf has happened to mythtvnews.com?

[22:06:48]

Dagmar:

henrik_: Okay, Q3 2014

[22:06:48]

iamlindoro:

henrik_, Actually, some kind of goal need not be set-- there isn't one

[22:07:06]

henrik_:

okej..

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iamlindoro:

Twenty X-tee Six

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gbee:

henrik_: first half 2009 ... I hope anyway, nothings says that I won't get run over next week which might set things back by a week

[22:07:56]

gbee:

or less, I'm not exactly irreplacable

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iamlindoro:

oh stop

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justinh:

hahaha. look at this list of windows players which support purevideo http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_pvhd_build.html#movieplayers

[22:08:35]

iamlindoro:

I wouldn't even know who to begin to pester if you got run over

[22:08:37]

henrik_:

lol, lets pray that will not be the case, we do not want it delayed ;) I'm looking forward to the release.

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henrik_:

mythtv is a fantastic pice of software!

[22:09:20]

gbee:

the point being that it's impossible to set any kind of date when no-one working on it knows if they'll have the time to do the necessary work

[22:10:13]

sbroos_:

does anyone know where the themefiles are stored?

[22:10:27]

gbee:

personally I wanted to see 0.22 released 6–8 months after 0.21, but it didn't work out that way because several devs no longer had the time to work on it

[22:10:37]

sbroos_:

maybe I can try to rescale then to 1024x600

[22:10:45]

henrik_:

I use my mythtv mostly for live tv watching, some recording but mostly as an advanced timeshifting mashine that removes comersials etc. So if it would be possible abit quicker chanel chaning would be really nice :)

[22:10:48]

gbee:

/usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/

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sbroos_:

thx

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iamlindoro:

sbroos_, resizing theme images will end spectacularly badly

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gbee:

or {install_prefix}mythtv/themes/

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gbee:

sbroos_: it's not a scaling issue, I have the same Intel GPU and resolution on my Aspire One

[22:11:55]

iamlindoro:

rather than do that, just overscan the ui 1 or 2 percent

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sbroos_:

weird

[22:12:08]

iamlindoro:

but yes, it's likely nothing to do with the images

[22:12:14]

sbroos_:

what theme do you use?

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iamlindoro:

nakedchicks-wide

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gbee:

henrik_: none of the main devs use livetv so it's a very low priority

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sbroos_:

lol

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sbroos_:

where do you overscan?

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henrik_:

gbee: okej..

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gbee:

not many users use livetv either

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henrik_:

why? only as a pvr?

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iamlindoro:

That's exactly what myth is

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iamlindoro:

It's a PVR that can do LiveTV, not a LiveTV program that acts as a PVR

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henrik_:

okej..

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sbroos_:

when I change the vertical pixels gnome panel pops in front

[22:17:44]

iamlindoro:

You are just stacking one problem on top of another (literally)

[22:18:14]

iamlindoro:

Your problem is *not* theme images or scaling, it's most likely (as multiple people have said) video card/driver issues

[22:18:23]

iamlindoro:

you could also try the other painter

[22:18:34]

iamlindoro:

if you're using the qt painter, try opengl, if you're using opengl, use the qt painter

[22:18:50]

sbroos_:

did that, changed nothing

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iamlindoro:

Then see first likely problem

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sbroos_:

but I will continue using it this way, its not a big problem

[22:19:31]

sbroos_:

thx for the help anyway

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iamlindoro:

Always funny to see what problems some people are unwilling to solve when they don't like the cause

[22:20:52]

justinh:

thx? funny coincidence but my clock radio read 11:38 when I woke up today

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iamlindoro:

!trout justinh Robert Duvall

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** MythLogBot slaps justinh with a Robert Duvall trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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** justinh googles **

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iamlindoro:

Main Character :)

[22:22:27]

iamlindoro:

(THX)

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justinh:

never seen it

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gbee:

I wouldn't have remembered he played the lead, or even was in the film

[22:27:14]

iamlindoro:

He was actually kinda Leading-man-ish at that time

[22:27:16]

gbee:

hardly suprising since I only saw THX once, years ago

[22:27:25]

iamlindoro:

interesting given his roles of the last 20 years or so

[22:28:31]

gbee:

building seektables for h.264 films takes forever :/

[22:28:45]

iamlindoro:

Do we have that working properly now?

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gbee:

seems to work

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heyheyhey:

iamlindoro i went to best buy they gave me a smartpath ire-1.0 single ir emitter is that right one?

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sbroos_:

rescaling the background image actualy did the trick

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Tommck:

can anyone help a sick guy get his mythfrontend running? :) I'm sitting in bed with some sort of audio buffering issue that freezes my video :(

[22:53:10]

Tommck:

I get a whole bunch of "AO: dropping back audio_buffer_unused" amongst other problems

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directhex:

Tommck, wifi?

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Tommck:

no :)

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Tommck:

gigabit.. but that doesn't matter... it's a front/back end machine

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Tommck:

it's local data

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javatexan:

wow...why are all these services scripts in /etc/init.d so complicated...LOL...I just want to start the process, be able to restart it and shut it down...sheesh... Its another perl script i am workin on that I end up opening a terminal and starting at each boot anyways....

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jblack:

because different daemons have different behaviours.

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jblack:

complexity and flexibility are two sides of the same coin.

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Tommck:

hmm.. Xorg is cranking my CPU

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javatexan:

Yep....just venting thats all...not as easy as cp oldone to mynewone...change names in file and voila.....doh!

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jblack:

It can be. Just copy the right one. :)

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javatexan:

lol...do you happen to know of one? I've tried a few 'simple' ones and the shortest one so far is like 4 pages of who knows what....LOL

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heyheyhey:

is there a how to do mythtv with cable?

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javatexan:

wow...single is pretty short...

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heyheyhey:

20 feet

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test1:

hi

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test1:

about converting nuv :

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test1:

to convert a nuv in avi (xvid 320x240, mp3) i m using ffmpeg

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test1:

in Konsole, :

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test1:

ffmpeg -i /home/test1/Documents/.../inputfile.nuv -s 320x240 -r ntsc -ar 48000 -ac 2 -acodec libmp3lame -ab 128k -b 512k -ss 0:00:00.000 outputfile.avi

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test1:

it works good .. but i'm sure it could be better .. who can help me ?

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jpabq:

iamlindoro, btw, the tearing is not fixed by turning on opengl vsync. The tearing is just random, and happen to get better after I turned that on. It is back to being bad again.

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jpabq:

iamlindoro, with VDPAU, that is.

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heyheyhey:

do i set the tv tuner to 4?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: what are you trying to do with videoprops?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, jpabq two secs, phone

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I decided that qriting a brief query actually is the easiest way to do what I want (update videoprops to VID_720/VID_1080 at end of recording rather than VID_HDTV)

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iamlindoro:

in order to allow 720/1080 icons in the PBB

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, I'm sure by the time the driver is out of beta the composite vsync will ahve to be fixed, I'm just hanging in there

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sphery:

iamlindoro: ok, just seeing if I could help

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Thanks :) It occured to me that I had already written a GetHeight Function, might as well write a SetHeight one too

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heyheyhey:

iamlindoro are there any gudies for hooking up digtal cable to myth?

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iamlindoro:

heyheyhey, There's nothing any different about cable versus anything else, just follow the manual (or, if you are daunted by that, download and use mythbuntu)

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sphery:

heyheyhey: plug composite/S-Video and audio outputs of STB into PVR-x50, enjoy... :)

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heyheyhey:

i tried that all i get is a black screen

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sphery:

and you've connected the correct input to the video source?

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iamlindoro:

heyheyhey, have you carefully read the manual and run through all the steps in mythtv-setup?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, $5 on "running the mythtv binary"

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sid3windr:

yeah pvr150<>stb works great

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heyheyhey:

yes

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sid3windr:

if only I could get irblasting to work :(

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sphery:

(i.e. in Myth"

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heyheyhey:

i have

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sphery:

sid3windr: you can use /bin/true as a channel change script until then

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sphery:

guess that's a reboot for heyhey

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Ooooh, I *could* use your help on a sql query though, okay to pm?

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sphery:

sure

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sphery:

can't promise much, though :)

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heyheyhey:

i am lindoro i have read the manual and did every thing in mythtv-setup

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sphery:

heyheyhey: PVR-x50?

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heyheyhey:

i have a wintvgo card

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heyheyhey:

it has rf and composte

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jamesd:

heyheyhey, you know that with two irc connections you are burning your bandwidth quota twice as fast and that could be costly on comcast ;-p

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sid3windr:

sphery: ;)

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heyheyhey:

i should have one

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sid3windr:

sphery: I would however like to change the channel :]

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sid3windr:

(without walking to the backend and using the remote for the stb)

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sphery:

sid3windr: yeah, not ideal :)

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sid3windr:

I'll use one of those irblaster.info thingies via serial

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sid3windr:

really can't get the pvr150 blaster to work

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sid3windr:

or it just may be my lircd.conf.

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sid3windr:

my cellphone camera sees the thing blinky red when I try to submit something... :)

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dustybin:

my MCE remote box came with a blaster

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dustybin:

might be an idea to link it up to the TV to switch it off

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J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: If your MCE remote has a 'tv power' button like mine, it can be programmed to control your TV. ;-)

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heyheyhey:

do i hook up the ir emmiter on cable box or on #1 on mce blaster box

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dustybin:

J-e-f-f-A: even without a IR blaster?

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Internat:

howdy all.. Any ideas as to what i might have screwed up that would stop two devices from seeing the same live broadcast at the same time?

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heyheyhey:

i am giving up on this

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dustybin:

never give up, there is always a way

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heyheyhey:

well it only works on channel 4

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jamesd:

Internat, are they on the same card?

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dustybin:

heyheyhey: you really do need to speak to the inhouse mythtv expert called 'clever'

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heyheyhey:

i am just confused about ird blaster

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heyheyhey:

ir

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heyheyhey:

do i hook the emitter on usb mce or cable box

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Internat:

yes

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Internat:

when i say devices, i mean two frontend clients

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