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Wednesday, December 24th, 2008, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:41] xris: ah.. my web page is no longer a top link for nuvexport.
[00:00:55] xris: I really need to put some work into my own site instead of playing with the mythtv one.  :)
[00:01:00] test1: :)
[00:01:07] test1: well i got my link ;)
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[00:02:30] iamlindoro: Anduin, Something funky happening here. Has anything else changed? I did make distclean and I have *no* frontend patches applied at all, and I rm'ed all my old libs... but in MythVideo I can't even play a video, let alone trailers
[00:02:48] iamlindoro: Anduin, Recorded videos are fine, so I assume NVP itself is okay
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[00:03:20] iamlindoro: Anduin, Even on -v all, no output on attempting to play a video with the enter key, at all
[00:04:09] iamlindoro: Anduin, When attempting a "play back with trailers," It lists the trailers it *would* play, but doesn't play the trailers or the movie itself
[00:05:51] iamlindoro: Anduin, Think maybe you missed a couple added files-- dbacces and dirscan maybe?
[00:06:29] iamlindoro: D'oh, never mind me, they're there...
[00:06:39] iamlindoro: but still, no video playback at all
[00:07:00] Anduin: iamlindoro: All file types?
[00:07:25] iamlindoro: Anduin, I only use internal, but seems so, yes
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[00:10:07] Anduin: iamlindoro: Hmm, I did change it slightly but didn't think it would be noticed, give me a sec and I'll put a debugging patch up
[00:10:17] iamlindoro: Ok
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[00:14:11] iamlindoro: Problem seems to have to be in playercommand.cpp
[00:15:42] Anduin: iamlindoro: Yeah, try: http://rafb.net/p/gDa7fL32.html
[00:17:41] Anduin: default is only used explicitly now but I didn't really see a problem with that, I guess if you had a specific play command per item that was just blanks it would break but nothing else jumps out
[00:17:57] iamlindoro: Anduin, Never gets there
[00:18:15] iamlindoro: No output
[00:18:58] Anduin: iamlindoro: hmm, must be in PlayerFor(const QString &) the member then
[00:19:42] iamlindoro: Anduin, But everything plays there?
[00:20:00] Anduin: iamlindoro: Yes I really did try it before committing :)
[00:20:10] iamlindoro: I believe you :)
[00:21:01] Anduin: iamlindoro: It must be missing the extension check, all other ways should lead to AddPlayer
[00:21:30] test1: me again .. last stupid question (4 today) .. do i have to let my cpu (which is backend) ON , if i want to record something at 5 am ?
[00:21:46] iamlindoro: Trying to look at the differences and see if any way I modified my DB to make my version worked could lead to something like this... but I don't think so
[00:21:55] Dagmar: The backend can't record with a decent bitrate if it's off.
[00:21:56] iamlindoro: At the very least the player for the movie itself should work
[00:22:12] Anduin: iamlindoro: You have a blank per extension player and use default checked?
[00:22:31] test1: Dagmar: ty
[00:22:34] iamlindoro: Anduin, blank per extension player?
[00:22:38] directhex: http://kotaku.com/5117262/hp-firebird-803-shr . . . console-size
[00:22:41] directhex: not cheap, but sorta cute
[00:22:42] Anduin: iamlindoro: Well no, now the trailer/actual player take the same route so if one is broken the other is likely
[00:22:50] Anduin: iamlindoro: in the file type config
[00:23:03] iamlindoro: Anduin, A file type for no extension?
[00:23:35] test1: bie / 'night alllll
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[00:23:53] iamlindoro: Oooh, I have a theory
[00:23:57] Anduin: iamlindoro: No, each file type can have a player, or use default, the difference now is that if use default isn't checked and the player is empty...
[00:24:11] iamlindoro: Yep, that's it
[00:24:18] iamlindoro: Exactly it
[00:24:42] Anduin: Hmm, I doubt you'll be the only one, I'll make using default easier
[00:25:13] iamlindoro: Anduin, Sorry, but thanks!
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[00:25:58] Anduin: iamlindoro: Yup, not a problem, when I was doing it I had a sinking feeling, too bad I always ignore that.
[00:26:42] iamlindoro: All my file types fixed up now, works great (and I was wondering hot to manage the hidden settings bit in the video settings, so I learned something new too
[00:26:47] iamlindoro: er how to
[00:26:57] gbee: it wouldn't hurt to fallback to Internal
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[00:31:39] Anduin: iamlindoro: any chance of you trying http://rafb.net/p/AUX33Y88.html ?
[00:31:52] iamlindoro: least I can do
[00:32:14] Anduin: gbee: Yeah, just done that now
[00:32:23] iamlindoro: Will re-break one of my file types to try this I assume
[00:32:28] iamlindoro: that is, I should
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[00:34:08] iamlindoro: Anduin, Fixes it
[00:35:22] gbee: hmm, how about a "QFileInfo(playcommand).exists && .isExecutable()" somewhere?
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[00:35:54] gbee: obviously the playcommand would need to be stripped down to get the executable name/path
[00:36:55] iamlindoro: Ooh, that'd be nice
[00:36:57] wagnerrp: why do people get scared out of their minds on the road in inclement weather
[00:37:04] iamlindoro: Get some people to use internal without even knowing it :)
[00:37:04] wagnerrp: just a bit of freezing rain
[00:37:12] wagnerrp: and its not even freezing, because the road is too hot
[00:37:21] iamlindoro: then rip out external player support for .23!!
[00:37:27] iamlindoro: </wishful thinking>
[00:37:52] gbee: I've given up suggesting that one ;)
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[00:38:29] gbee: makes less sense to support other players by the day, but it's just too entrenched
[00:39:43] wagnerrp: i just dont get it, cars strewn on both sides of the road, and the ONLY time i ever had trouble is when a lane opens up so i change lanes and hit the gas too hard
[00:40:07] Anduin: I hate supporting them too but don't expect I'll ever be able to remove them, happily not make new features work with them though
[00:40:47] iamlindoro: The only *real* excuse has been mplayer is faster
[00:40:55] iamlindoro: and when we all have VDPAU, there's no point
[00:41:45] iamlindoro: s/faster/faster because it doesn't have all the other stuff (OSD etc.) going on/
[00:41:54] Anduin: well that and it makes it easier for me when people complain about mkv seeking, or xyz doesn't play (which granted doesn't happen too much now)
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[00:42:16] iamlindoro: mkv seek issue is broken files, not broken player
[00:42:18] wagnerrp: i have to figure out whats wrong with something...
[00:42:31] iamlindoro: ffmpeg -i infile.mkv -acodec copy -vcodec copy outfile.mkv fixes it
[00:42:33] wagnerrp: i came home to my dad complaining that A Bridge Too Far wouldnt play
[00:42:35] gbee: the lack of integration will probably be the deciding factor in the future, e.g. the video widget and a potential video miniplayer will of course use the internal player, the improvement of the OSD to work better with videos etc
[00:43:15] gbee: plus the addition of a button or something to generate proper seektables for videos
[00:44:18] iamlindoro: maybe a "playback wizard" context option
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[00:44:55] gbee: one downside to supporting alternative players is that people just switch instead of reporting issues (not universally true, but a recent thread in the mailing list goes to prove it)
[00:45:01] iamlindoro: With basic fix operations (stream copies, seek tables) and the ability to have a one-time play with another playback profile to test
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[00:45:55] riddlebox: what repo do i need for fedora to get mythfrontend installed? I just want mythfrontend nothing else
[00:46:29] iamlindoro: Oooh, or even better, a playback optimization that builds playback profiles based on user feedback (10 seconds of each deint, select at the end, 10 seconds of each renderer, select at the end) etc.
[00:46:59] gbee: that proposal just sent to the -dev list is one reason why I think we should be thinking about starting to merge mythvideo with watch recordings, not the UI but the backend code, I'd start by using programinfo for mythvideo (adding to it if necessary for the additional metadata)
[00:47:58] gbee: makes little sense to me to duplicate things like the "watched" code
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[00:50:12] Anduin: Luckily there isn't enough information available in mythvideo to do a proper watched implementation
[00:51:55] iamlindoro: Would like to goof with a "recently added/recorded" option, though, had thought about how far-fetched it would be to do a "cinema style" theme with "now playing" leveraging newly added videos/new recordings somehow
[00:51:58] gbee: depends both on an accurate length (which normally takes a seektable) and the internal player to do it automatically
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[00:53:03] gbee: sorting/filtering on the date they were added would be easy
[00:54:16] gbee: I know just has said in the past that he wants to take the search/filter stuff from mythmusic and put it into mythvideo, that's not a bad idea, especially if they can share code
[00:54:57] iamlindoro: gbee, Yeah, not knowing MythUI well enough, I don't have an appreciation for just how much "logic" you can build into a theme-- my sense is very little at the moment-- ie it doesn't seem possible to have a video widget with the most recently added MythVideo movie playing on the top menu ATM
[00:55:11] gbee: it's not perfect from a UI pov but the search/filter stuff in mythmusic is a LOT more flexible than the filters in mythvideo
[00:55:26] iamlindoro: I know the idea is that you can use any widget anywhere, but it would be cool if you could use any widget and any *data* from anywhere
[00:56:26] iamlindoro: which obviously blurs the line a bit between where the plugins and frontend end and begin
[00:59:13] gbee: iamlindoro: to do that I'd add hooks for certain things so the themer could stick in something like the following to the <filename> field of the video widget – <latest_video>, <latest_recording>, <livetv#801>, "/home/user/the_wedding_video.mpg", "/home/user/beautiful_scenery/*"
[00:59:48] iamlindoro: Yeah, that would be cool
[00:59:49] gbee: where the last (strictly an example) would play the videos from that directory in an random order
[00:59:55] iamlindoro: And would provide a framework to add additional hooks
[01:00:32] gbee: it's of limited value IMHO, but it would take little work to add and I think that someone would come up with some good ideas for it
[01:01:28] iamlindoro: Don't let me stop you ;)
[01:02:15] iamlindoro: Even those couple of things would be very cool to add to the topmost menu for a sort of "HUD" presentation
[01:05:29] gbee: the primary reason for allowing the themer to define a <filename> is so that they can add default videos to be displayed when there isn't anything else, much in the same way that you can define a default image for the poster which is displayed when there is no poster available (question mark in the default theme)
[01:05:48] iamlindoro: and maybe a dot seperator for sub-metadata, ie latest_video.title, latest_video.subtitle, latest_video.play
[01:07:55] quentusrex_: How do I cancel a current recording? I accidentally started a recording on a channel I can't access. Now I can't unlock the box.
[01:08:23] iamlindoro: quentusrex_, Watch recordings, highlight the recording, press M, stop recording
[01:09:23] iamlindoro: (or, alternately, just delet it)
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[01:18:05] jpabq: iamlindoro, did you get your on-board NIC working on your DQ6 motherboard?
[01:18:51] iamlindoro: jpabq, Haven't tried lately
[01:19:01] jpabq: Ah. Thought you said you where going to....
[01:19:09] iamlindoro: Eventually, maybe this week sometimes
[01:23:17] Dagmar: iamlindoro: Hey you wouldn't happen to know the location of any *decent* HAL documentation that has an eye towards actually writing new things to trigger on HAL, would you?
[01:23:31] iamlindoro: Dagmar, I'm sorry, I don't :(
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[01:30:55] academy: My channel names are quite long. Is it possible to widen the channel name field on the EPG so that they fit in?
[01:34:19] iamlindoro: That would be in the theme XML, but the EPG is one of the less-themeable elements of myth. "chanbar" is probably the element you want
[01:34:39] academy: iamlindoro: thanks; will look
[01:37:16] Dagmar: iamlindoro: Along hte lines of media integration I'm working towards trying to design a mechanism for automatically synching stuff to am MP3 player when it's connected
[01:37:45] Dagmar: If I'm going to even start working on a music player, I gotta actually bring something useful to the table, so me and HAL will have to become somewhat chummy
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[01:40:01] iamlindoro: Heh, I guess that's true :) For myth purposes, or outside of myth?
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[01:41:10] academy: exit
[01:41:15] academy: ugh, not in ba
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[01:42:29] wagnerrp: talking about some other program, apple may have to revoke your iLife
[01:42:48] quentusrex_: How do I get mythtv to show the numbers on screen as I type them in the remote?
[01:43:08] quentusrex_: I want to flip channels and I can't see the digits while I type them.
[01:43:36] hashbang: quentusrex_: I think it shows them by default, in the lower left, but it can be obscured by the OSD
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[01:55:41] iamlindoro: Heh, got my dad a harmony for Christmas and now I sort of want one :)
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[02:02:37] jamesd: make mother-in-law and wife happy or no harmony for you.
[02:04:00] iamlindoro: Got a pretty good deal, $55 for the Harmony 550... that's $1 per 10 Metric Harmonies
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[03:12:53] jams: sphery- whats your email?
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[03:13:58] sphery: jams: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv
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[03:16:16] jams: one big patch file will be on it's way shortly.
[03:16:28] sphery: jams: btw, please mention "myth" in the subject or an e-mail is likely to get lost
[03:16:57] sphery: thx, looking forward to seeing the patch... I may not be able to look at it for a while, though.
[03:17:20] iamlindoro: "Gr34t3r m4l3 p3rf0rm4nc3--- n0t 4 Myth!"
[03:18:21] sphery: iamlindoro: I actually have some rules that explictly look for certain other words along with myth (to exclude from my Myth folder) for exactly that reason
[03:18:50] iamlindoro: heh
[03:19:34] jams: sphery- look forward to your ideas/suggestions.
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[03:28:54] jams: I tell you spending that hour to create start_myth.py was one of the best things I have ever done. That little app makes testing things so much easier
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[04:02:16] mzb_d800: I think I've figured out my auto-expire issue/confusion
[04:03:04] mzb_d800: I have a number of storage groups of different size, all of which are (were) up to their prescribed limit
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[04:03:27] mzb_d800: most of the recordings set to expire were in a single group
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[04:04:16] mzb_d800: however, the "balancing" magic that seems to go will expire only from the chosen target, regardless of the order of auto-expire programs
[04:05:24] mzb_d800: even to the point where a program that has _just_ been recorded will auto-expire
[04:05:52] mzb_d800: rather than "share bandwidth" with a recording in progress in another group
[04:07:16] clever: yeah i saw that too
[04:07:29] clever: it would pick a group based on used bandwidth and then expire whatever was in the way
[04:07:38] clever: often ignoring 'deleted' programs on other groups
[04:08:01] clever: then i noticed that i have only 300gig of recordings, and 500gig total for the main disk
[04:08:09] clever: why the hell do i have my recordings spread over 5 drives
[04:08:17] mzb_d800: yeah ... so, I have a solution (in progress)
[04:08:26] clever: so ive begun moving all the recordings to 1 drive, and shuffling everything else out of the way
[04:08:45] mzb_d800: now I'm going to severely limit the choices presented to the backend
[04:08:54] clever: the other option i can think of is to modify the 'recorded' table to track which group/fs the file is in
[04:09:11] clever: and then take the autoexpire and deleted total for every fs into account for picking where to record
[04:09:31] mzb_d800: currently converting 2x500 (singles) to 3x500 (raid5), adding 1 TB ... in addition to 750, 250 and 160 already there
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[04:09:53] mzb_d800: will sort out the storage group issue later (probably by putting a single directory in each group)
[04:10:12] mzb_d800: ... err ... I should have described that better earlier ;)
[04:10:17] iamlindoro: The solution is to keep < 20 recordings in Watch recordings at all times, yay MythVideo!
[04:10:23] mzb_d800: heh
[04:10:29] clever: i had also spread my recordings over 5 drives
[04:10:35] clever: all where at the limit
[04:10:46] clever: some of them are down to 200mb free:P
[04:11:09] iamlindoro: And that's on most of his 500 MB drives
[04:11:16] clever: iamlindoro: that just makes the entire autoexpire system useless
[04:11:19] mzb_d800: now I'm going to use the array for video, the 1TB for default recordings, and the others for various other things
[04:11:36] iamlindoro: clever, It makes it unused, not useless. So?
[04:11:44] clever: which makes it just like my setup:P
[04:11:50] clever: nothing is on autoexpire
[04:11:59] clever: i just manualy delete and balance space ahead of time
[04:12:05] iamlindoro: Watch recordings is for things you intend to *watch*, not store
[04:12:34] clever: what if i want to watch it one or 2 more times, then delete?
[04:12:42] clever: mythvideo wont let me delete as far as i know
[04:12:52] iamlindoro: Yes, it will
[04:13:07] iamlindoro: M, Manage Video, Remove Video
[04:13:10] clever: and mythtv lacks write access to all my actual video directorys, so it cant anyway :P
[04:13:18] iamlindoro: That's *your* problem
[04:13:23] clever: would that delete it from the db or the drive?
[04:13:25] mzb_d800: I've also been archiving with mythvideo, moving compressed nuv's into it .... but now I've discovered mytharchive doesn't like the idea of creating dvd's out of the nuv's for some reason. So I'm planning to change to avi's in mythvideo.
[04:13:28] iamlindoro: Yes.
[04:13:52] clever: that was a a/b question, not a true/false one
[04:14:08] mzb_d800: in that case: "No" ;)
[04:14:10] iamlindoro: When both answers are the same, it becomes a true false question
[04:14:32] mzb_d800: two wrongs become a right?
[04:14:39] ** mzb_d800 needs beer **
[04:14:49] iamlindoro: Isn't it like... morning there?
[04:14:52] iamlindoro: God bless you, sir
[04:15:04] mzb_d800: almost beer-oclock 3:15pm
[04:15:24] mzb_d800: have to clean BBQ, and then get showered+shaved to go to the outlaws
[04:15:29] iamlindoro: anyway, off to page through my un-expirable mythvideo :)
[04:15:35] mzb_d800: :)
[04:16:37] jamesd: mzb_d800, so nothing sayes merry xmas like ribs on the barby.
[04:17:17] mzb_d800: I like the idea of a T-Bone whispering "sweet nothings" to me ;)
[04:18:18] mzb_d800: (I have to return a high-pressure washer to HER Dad, so not sure if I get BBQ at their place .... just have to clean mine first;))
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[04:36:39] Lexridge: How reliable are the Win32 ports of MythFrontEnd? My wife mentioned to me she would like to use myth on her XP machine, after seeing me use it in the garage.
[04:39:00] iamlindoro: Not reliable at all.
[04:39:14] iamlindoro: "Practically unusable" is the term often associated with it
[04:40:04] J-e-f-f-A: Lexridge: You could just let her play them throught the network via mythweb...
[04:40:29] J-e-f-f-A: Lexridge: Not the 'flash' player, but the ASX stream – VLC works well with that.
[04:40:50] Lexridge: yea, I have her already doing that. She wants more ;)
[04:41:47] iamlindoro: There's more or less one hard working guy who has his hands full just keeping it compiling every now and again
[04:42:17] iamlindoro: There's just not enough manpower to do more than that at the moment
[04:42:38] J-e-f-f-A: Lexridge: If it's just a player with commercial skip, there's a "MythTV Player", that is more like a recordings browser with a player built in – works decent. I haven't used it in a while though, so I'm not even sure it's being kept current.
[04:42:40] iamlindoro: well, manpower that's interested in windows, anyway
[04:43:36] Lexridge: what are you saying, iamlindoro? There really is a full working frontend for windows?
[04:44:27] iamlindoro: I'm saying it's possible to compile myth on windows given massive disk space and choosing of the right revision, but that it is too shaky for everyday use by anyone but people working on it
[04:44:41] iamlindoro: where working = developing
[04:44:49] J-e-f-f-A: Lexridge: Are you doing HD, or only SD?
[04:45:00] Lexridge: okay, that makes sense. Jeffa: SD only for now.
[04:45:32] J-e-f-f-A: Lexridge: Throw some old PC scraps together as a frontend for her... ;-) I could make about 15 SD frontends with the supplies in my basement...
[04:46:09] Lexridge: yea, I could too, but she is a neat freak and cannot have two computers on her desk in her home office. DOH!
[04:46:29] J-e-f-f-A: Lexridge: Set it up to dual-boot into Linux. ;-)
[04:48:15] Lexridge: Now way man! I swear my wife is one of many women in the world that is so entertainment center dumb she bitches about having to press AV on the remote to watch a DVD. I'd never get her to dual boot.
[04:48:39] Lexridge: but she is still very hot. ;)
[04:48:52] Lexridge: so I don't complain
[04:49:16] J-e-f-f-A: Lexridge: Lucky bum! ;-)
[04:49:21] Lexridge: lol
[04:49:41] Lexridge: oh, it's a double edged sword. lol
[04:52:44] Lexridge: has mythtv been ported to the iPod yet? Maybe that would be the solution.
[04:54:03] Lexridge: If it hasn't already, I'm sure someone soon will. There's always someone eager with lots of time at hand.
[04:54:12] iamlindoro: There is a iPhone/iTouch Mythweb interface that includes video playback
[04:54:40] iamlindoro: But a full frontend is doubtful, there's just not enough access the the good hardware bits on the iphone/touch to allow it
[04:54:55] Lexridge: wow! impressive nonetheless!
[04:55:58] Lexridge: I would love to have a Sharp Zaurus port of myth, but old tech does not get new programs. Understandably.
[04:56:33] Lexridge: Ever had a Zaurus, iamlindoro?
[04:56:44] iamlindoro: Yep-- there was even a mythfrontend for it
[04:56:50] iamlindoro: for .18ish IIRC
[04:57:14] iamlindoro: But the hardware was just too slow to do much with it unless you were recording to obscene low bitrates to begin with
[04:57:34] iamlindoro: (Note that last bit is from what I read, never ran the frontend on Zaurus myself)
[04:57:54] Lexridge: didn't know that. I think they still produce the Zaurus in Japan and Europe on a much faster CPU, but don't sell in the US anymore.
[04:58:22] Lexridge: I really liked the qtopia interface.
[04:59:12] Lexridge: of course, in general, pdas have bitten the dust....er.....turned into cell phones.
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[05:05:09] davez0r: i have the strangest problem with my tuners. After a channel scan they work terrific, but if I reboot they won't find a signal. Myth can see the tuners ok, but they don't bring in a signal. anyone ever seen that?
[05:05:38] davez0r: as soon as i do a channel scan they work again
[05:05:46] iamlindoro: davez0r, How do they behave with other applications after a reboot/channel scan?
[05:06:17] iamlindoro: Would be helpful in narrowing down driver/hardware quirkiness versus myth issues
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[05:06:49] davez0r: good question- i'll give that a try.
[05:07:26] davez0r: if a non-myth app can't get a signal either that points to the driver right?
[05:07:39] iamlindoro__: Right, or the tuner drifting somehow
[05:07:49] iamlindoro__: But I would look first at the driver, yeah
[05:07:59] davez0r: i've been trying to google this problem, but not sure what terms to search for
[05:08:01] iamlindoro__: What's the hardware?
[05:08:08] davez0r: kind of a tricky one to ddescribe
[05:08:16] davez0r: hauppauge HVR-950
[05:08:17] davez0r: USB
[05:08:56] iamlindoro__: Fairly new hardware, so a driver issue is very possible
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[05:09:14] iamlindoro__: think that's an xc5000 tuner which has some issues in general in linux
[05:09:55] iamlindoro__: I do know that our resident Hauppauge engineer loves them and recommends them highly, though
[05:10:03] iamlindoro__: (and likely wrote that driver)
[05:10:06] davez0r: yeah, i also tried a different driver than I had previously used
[05:10:08] davez0r: oh yeah?
[05:10:35] iamlindoro__: Yep, and from checking, he did indeed write it
[05:10:39] davez0r: http://www.steventoth.net/linux/xc5000/HVR-12 . . . 271_WHQL.zip
[05:10:43] davez0r: that one?
[05:10:51] iamlindoro__: No, that's just the firmware
[05:10:55] iamlindoro__: well, and the windows driver
[05:11:04] iamlindoro__: the linux driver was written by mkrufky
[05:11:13] iamlindoro__: but stoth is also a Hauppauge engineer and myth user
[05:11:22] davez0r: oh cool
[05:11:36] davez0r: well i should give mkrufky's a try
[05:11:41] davez0r: have you got a link?
[05:11:59] iamlindoro__: His is the one from v4l-dvb (which is the only one you should be using)
[05:12:05] davez0r: ahhh
[05:12:15] davez0r: i used that on an earlier box
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[05:12:23] iamlindoro__: Just the main repository, not any funky dev branched
[05:12:24] davez0r: thought i'd try this one
[05:12:45] iamlindoro__: Anything else you find is almost guaranteed to be older or broken
[05:12:49] iamlindoro__: or older and broken
[05:12:55] davez0r: heh
[05:13:01] iamlindoro__: then *only* official source for linux tuner drivers is linuxtv.org
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[05:15:12] J-e-f-f-A: Humm... if the HVR-950s are now working [well] in Linux without jumping through hoops, I may have to hook up the 2 that I have... ;-)
[05:16:00] davez0r: yeah, i used the v4l driver and they worked terrific
[05:16:03] J-e-f-f-A: Gee, now that I think about it, I paid almost as much for the two 950's as I did for my one HDHomeRun...
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[05:16:28] davez0r: heh, yeah I also switched to the hdhomerun
[05:16:39] davez0r: this box is for a friend
[05:16:45] aaronp: Wow, it's amazing how many programs insist on writing to the hard drive every few seconds.
[05:17:11] aaronp: Not so great for using a laptop to play video with the hard drive off.
[05:17:37] davez0r: this stoth driver works really well too, it just has this one issue where the tuner doesn't work after a reboot
[05:17:58] davez0r: thanks for all the info lindoro
[05:18:09] iamlindoro__: you are welcome
[05:34:15] davez0r: hey iamlindoro, if you're still around- do you know anything about this ticket? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3728
[05:48:54] quentusrex_: Alright, I have a collection of movies. Is there any way to have something search for the imdb titles automatically?
[05:49:03] quentusrex_: rather than go through each movie and find it myself?
[05:49:15] Dagmar: No.
[05:49:32] quentusrex_: Dagmar, why not? :)
[05:49:46] Dagmar: Because tedium is good for you and discourages piracy.
[05:50:04] quentusrex_: Dagmar, shouldn't there be an easy way to script it?
[05:50:20] Dagmar: That's up to you to find out.
[05:50:32] quentusrex_: Dagmar I have a bunch of exsisting DVD backups since I've digitized all of my dvd collection.
[05:50:59] Dagmar: Well then it can't be too terribly many, since you spent all the time it takes to wait for the to rip, another 45s to manually flag 'em isn't that big of a deal.
[05:51:25] quentusrex_: Dagmar, I've digitized my 500+ dvd's over the last few years...
[05:51:27] Dagmar: You'd probably kill yourself if you saw how carefully I rip my CDs.
[05:51:33] Dagmar: Yeah right.
[05:52:09] Dagmar: Like I said, tedium discourages piracy.
[05:52:53] quentusrex_: I built the collection while in college, then had to 'take care of it' when I got married...
[05:53:48] RyeBrye_: quentusrex_: but... IMDB doesn't keep track of pornos does it? how would that script help you then ;)
[05:53:54] Dagmar: The answer's still the same
[05:53:58] Dagmar: It doesn't change anything.
[05:54:02] Dagmar: You just have a LOT Of clicking ahead of you
[05:54:07] Dagmar: Ration it out
[05:54:40] quentusrex_: :( ok.
[05:54:58] Dagmar: I encode a taped copy of my old radio show a week, and I've got about 800 vinyls and 400 CDs.
[05:55:06] Dagmar: I will probably be done about 2012
[05:55:30] Dagmar: The CD's are at least 3/4 done now
[05:55:39] jamesd: dagar, now out with the dirty embarasing secrets.. how many 8-tracks...
[05:55:52] Lexridge: what is your "old radio show"?
[05:55:56] Dagmar: jamesd: None. All Maxell C-90 golds
[05:55:59] RyeBrye_: Dagmar: No kids you can pay $0.25 a piece to do your dirty work for you? :)
[05:56:19] Dagmar: I did a three hour block once a week for about seven years
[05:56:30] Lexridge: DJ?
[05:56:31] jamesd: dagar, yeah yeah that is what they all say ;-p
[05:56:33] Dagmar: Yes.
[05:56:46] Dagmar: Vinyl, CDs, and various gadgets that I could connect
[05:57:00] Dagmar: Once I even wobbled a record in front of a mic.
[05:57:41] Dagmar: (as in grab an LP and hold it by opposing edges, then shake it up and down so it wobbles in the air)
[05:57:55] Lexridge: Dagmar: hell, I should have figured that out by now. DOH! I apoligize for not having realized that.
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[05:58:49] RyeBrye_: Dagmar: you own the rights for your old radio show? You could 'podcast' that whole collection just for the hell of it
[05:58:58] Lexridge: dagmar: which do you prefer, vinyl or CD?
[06:01:06] Lexridge: I honestly preferred CD over vinyl, until I listened to the CD version of Sgt. Pepper (circa 1987). I was upset!! The CD version sounded like CRAP, and I have sworn by vinyl ever since.
[06:02:05] ** jamesd votes for cd's but not the way they do them commercially... true dynamic range not compressed to hell in the name of getting the loudest sounding song on the air... 100db of dynamic range not 40–50 that is considered good. **
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[06:02:57] Lexridge: well, the beatles CD releases were done by George Martin, and before being *loud* was more importantant than anything else.
[06:03:01] Dagmar: I prefer vinyl because I can manhandle it
[06:03:31] Dagmar: RyeBrye_: You're right, I could, but I woulnd't because I'm a DJ.
[06:03:47] RyeBrye_: ah
[06:04:06] jamesd: i honest like mp3 because i can't break them i just have to keep enough archieve copies around to deal with disk failures...
[06:05:09] Dagmar: RyeBrye_: The thinking there is that if I did it once, I can do it again, and probably better than the last time
[06:06:18] Lexridge: I prefere ogg over mp3, and what I download is free stufff from archive.org. Great concerts by many bands available there, with said bands blessing. :)
[06:06:22] Lexridge: archive.org only deals with flac, I believe, so you would have to convert it.
[06:08:05] Dagmar: Well, the tapes, considering that they are tapes, are all going in at 224kbps MP3 at the moment
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[06:11:16] RyeBrye_: anyone working on a mytharchive that can export HD stuff to AVCHD?
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[06:16:46] iamlindoro__: Probably not
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[07:25:36] ** RyeBrye_ wishes Boxee would work better with MythTV's UPNP video server :( **
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[10:04:43] stuarta: morning all
[10:07:39] oobe: morning to you
[10:07:45] oobe: night to me
[10:07:49] laga: morning
[10:10:11] styelz: evening
[10:11:26] styelz: just wondering. how can i control the screen blanking in mythtv. after i have disabled dpms etc. it takes a while to kick in.
[10:11:50] styelz: like in mythstream
[10:18:45] styelz: hm, maybe i didnt turn off dpms after all. n/m
[10:40:22] nsx: I can't seem to get mythvideo to work with autofs unless I turn on "show unsupported file types"
[10:40:30] nsx: is there any way to get it to work without having to enable that option?
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[11:00:46] doc___: hi there
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[11:01:21] nsx: anyone been able to get an eject button on their remote working?
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[12:48:37] styelz: nsx: i dont have an eject button, but assigning a button to the Eject key in global section works
[12:50:25] styelz: i mean, in setttings > edit keys.
[12:50:50] styelz: i tihnk you need mythcontrols installed for that
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[13:06:12] DutchLoki: hey guys, any users here using the MSI P7NGM-Digital board?
[13:07:38] DutchLoki: I'm in need for a new mobo and was thinking about this lightweight board for a combined front/backend in the livingroom to replace my old mythtvbox
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[14:51:12] elprespufferfish: if i'm recording hd broadcast channels over firewire
[14:51:17] elprespufferfish: xvmc would help reduce load/temps right?
[14:55:23] directhex: xvmc has nothing to do with recording
[14:55:29] elprespufferfish: i meant viewing, sorry
[14:56:00] GreyFoxx: xvmc in general is good to be avoided
[14:56:24] GreyFoxx: It's unstable, has a gray OSD only, and usually isn't worth the bother
[14:56:42] GreyFoxx: and while it might lower CPU requirements the GPU heats up so the temp wont be affected too much
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[14:56:43] elprespufferfish: i tried it last year and it was a terrible experience
[14:56:50] elprespufferfish: wondering if it was any better
[14:57:09] GreyFoxx: It's for the most part being abandoned
[14:57:19] elprespufferfish: ok, i won't bother then anyways
[14:57:26] elprespufferfish: i'm only using 50% cpu anyways
[14:57:48] GreyFoxx: the new VDPAU that's coming however has been quite sweet so far (for Nvidia users with recent cards)
[14:58:17] elprespufferfish: i have a 7050
[14:58:23] elprespufferfish: although i have some instability in my system
[14:58:27] elprespufferfish: i hope it's not the gfx hardware
[15:06:35] jams: GreyFoxx- would you be interested in looking over a patch before it goes to trac. It allows you to save/restore/clone settings.
[15:08:29] GreyFoxx: Sure. But I'm in the middle of a "
[15:08:37] GreyFoxx: work crisis at the moment
[15:08:44] GreyFoxx: gotta love Xmas eve power outages
[15:08:50] jams: whenever you have time
[15:08:58] GreyFoxx: and now a ton of people are freaking as there is noone here tomorrow or Friday :)
[15:09:11] GreyFoxx: At least noone that can fix anything important :)
[15:09:21] jams: eww power or network outage an ISP's worst nightmare
[15:10:19] GreyFoxx: local power co seems to have had a huge outage
[15:10:30] GreyFoxx: like someone turned off the mains at theplant kinda huge
[15:11:06] directhex: good thing as a responsible business you have diesel generator backup
[15:11:21] directhex: and UPSes throughout to cover the period it takes for those to fire up
[15:11:36] GreyFoxx: of course
[15:11:45] directhex: and unicorns running the servers
[15:11:48] GreyFoxx: we've got 4 days worth of fuel and gobs of ups's
[15:11:53] GreyFoxx: Nothing here is in danger
[15:12:03] GreyFoxx: but we feed internet to a lot of other locations which are without power :)
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[15:12:21] iamlindoro__: Mmmm, sweet delicious internet
[15:12:25] GreyFoxx: so it's more a problem of routers not coming back online, wireless SM's needing to be rebooted etc e tc
[15:12:30] iamlindoro__: It's made of baby bone marow you know
[15:13:47] GreyFoxx: at least my house still has power :)
[15:13:50] GreyFoxx: and Internet :)
[15:15:04] ** iamlindoro__ captures a small child riding a bike outside, drags them into his computer room **
[15:15:19] iamlindoro__: Ah, there we are, that should keep me on IRC through the weekend
[15:21:39] ** gbee calls the Police on iamlindoro__ **
[15:22:26] iamlindoro__: Well if you've got a better plan for powering the internet I'd like to hear it
[15:23:05] gbee: umm, err
[15:23:17] gbee: maybe you're right
[15:24:02] iamlindoro__: So, did anyone see VAAPI finally got mplayer/libav* patches?
[15:24:13] shadn__: I've got 4 major ups's hooked up to 3 servers and even that only allows 3–4 hours without the juice
[15:24:22] iamlindoro__: Now all we need are drivers that use VAAPI ;)
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[15:24:47] fsckr: anyone alive?
[15:25:10] iamlindoro__: No, the voices told me to burn everyone again
[15:25:15] fsckr: LOL
[15:25:16] fsckr: :P
[15:25:43] fsckr: would you be willing to lend a helping hand?
[15:26:17] iamlindoro__: I never volunteer for anything sight unseen, I learned that lesson in college
[15:26:22] iamlindoro__: that poor, poor sheep
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[15:26:32] fsckr: :(
[15:26:54] iamlindoro__: If you have a question, ask it. If someone feels like/knows how to answer, they will. If not, you can patiently wait any maybe someone eventually will
[15:27:14] iamlindoro__: if it's "walk me through a myth install/setup" though, prepare for a long wait
[15:27:27] fsckr: I have mythtv working. Sound works on my computer but not in mythtv.
[15:27:49] iamlindoro__: Utilitites/Setup->Setup->General, third or so page in
[15:27:55] fsckr: ive had mythtv working b4 and really never had to do anything special with the sound but this time is diff
[15:28:08] fsckr: yea i know ive been messing with that page for awhile
[15:28:17] iamlindoro__: Highlight the audio device, you can use the arow keys to page through the detected ones but usually ALSA:default is what you want
[15:28:19] fsckr: have googled for mythtv no sound as well
[15:28:32] fsckr: thats where it is at the default
[15:29:02] iamlindoro__: IF you are using pulseaudio you need to have the ALSA compatibility plugin installed
[15:29:14] fsckr: dont think i am using pulseaudio
[15:29:47] iamlindoro__: Also need to make sure you have the AC3 and DTS passthrough OFF unless you're using digital to a receiver, and if you are then the passthrough device needs to be corect
[15:29:55] iamlindoro__: what distro?
[15:30:08] fsckr: archlinux
[15:30:21] fsckr: passthrough is off
[15:31:33] iamlindoro__: Then figure out what audio device the rest of your system is using, and put that into the box in myth, should be simple as that
[15:32:30] fsckr: you mean like /dev/dsp?
[15:32:38] iamlindoro__: I mean like
[15:33:28] gbee: aplay -l
[15:34:13] fsckr: device 0: AD198x Analog [AD198x Analog]
[15:34:19] fsckr: thats what i get with aplay -l
[15:34:29] fsckr: device 1: AD198x Digital [AD198x Digital] and this
[15:36:21] elprespufferfish: and you have it set to ALSA:default ?
[15:36:28] fsckr: yes
[15:36:42] elprespufferfish: are you using the internal volume controls?
[15:36:57] fsckr: it is checked yes
[15:37:13] fsckr: in output device its default
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[15:37:20] fsckr: passthrough says default
[15:37:28] fsckr: mixer says default
[15:37:28] elprespufferfish: just default, not "ALSA:default" ?
[15:37:35] fsckr: alsa:default
[15:37:36] fsckr: sorry
[15:37:43] fsckr: as well as the mixer
[15:38:18] elprespufferfish: have you tried not using the internal mixer?
[15:38:25] iamlindoro__: You're not plugging in to the front headphone jacks, are you?
[15:38:29] fsckr: no lemme try that
[15:38:35] fsckr: no not pluggin into the headphones
[15:39:34] fsckr: just tried not using internal and still no sound
[15:40:04] elprespufferfish: anything in the logs?
[15:40:25] fsckr: lemme see
[15:43:18] fsckr: nothing important i dont think. only thing about audio is it says sample rate 32000hz is not supported using 48000hz instead
[15:44:39] fsckr: im stumped
[15:44:47] fsckr: been working on this all morning
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[16:01:01] fsckr: nobody? :(
[16:01:42] elprespufferfish: sure the volume isnt down low?
[16:01:59] elprespufferfish: so you have
[16:02:08] fsckr: no its up i can play music fine and anything else not related to mythtv
[16:02:13] elprespufferfish: Audio output device: "ALSA:default"
[16:02:18] fsckr: correct
[16:02:22] elprespufferfish: both passthrough's disabled
[16:02:26] fsckr: correct
[16:02:32] elprespufferfish: internal volume control off?
[16:02:44] fsckr: its off right now and have tried it both ways on or off
[16:03:22] ** fsckr is pulling out what hair he has left **
[16:03:38] elprespufferfish: what are you trying to play?
[16:03:56] fsckr: its wierd that I have setup mythtv before and never had any problem with the audio part. Using the same hardware as before
[16:03:58] fsckr: live tv
[16:04:13] elprespufferfish: does it work outside of mythtv?
[16:04:19] elprespufferfish: livetv, that is
[16:04:38] fsckr: haven't tried outside of mythtv what program can I use other than myth?
[16:04:44] elprespufferfish: what kind of tuner is it?
[16:04:59] fsckr: happauge wintv pvr-150
[16:05:03] elprespufferfish: mplayer /dev/video0
[16:05:34] fsckr: nope doesn't work that way either
[16:05:39] elprespufferfish: no sound?
[16:05:40] elprespufferfish: or nothing
[16:05:47] fsckr: hmm so its not a myth problem
[16:05:50] fsckr: no sound
[16:05:56] elprespufferfish: are your kernel modules right?
[16:06:08] fsckr: im assuming so yes
[16:06:39] elprespufferfish: check again :p
[16:06:42] iamlindoro__: fsckr: what video input are you using on the 150?
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[16:07:01] fsckr: juse coax if I understand you correctly
[16:07:05] fsckr: just
[16:11:45] fsckr: grrrrr....this is frustrating
[16:12:16] fsckr: been troubleshooting this the past 3 hours
[16:12:29] elprespufferfish: what kernel?
[16:12:34] elprespufferfish: i'd say check your modules
[16:14:12] fsckr: 2.6.27-ARCH
[16:14:27] fsckr: according to the wiki i shouldn't have to do anything with the kernel
[16:14:52] elprespufferfish: does dmesg say anything?
[16:15:11] fsckr: dmesg | grep ivtv?
[16:16:17] fsckr: no errors for ivtv
[16:16:43] elprespufferfish: no errors per so
[16:16:47] elprespufferfish: but information after you load the module
[16:18:12] fsckr: cx25840 2–0044: unable to open firmware v4l-cx25840.fw
[16:18:22] fsckr: guess that may have something todo with it
[16:18:59] elprespufferfish: looks like somewhere to begin
[16:19:13] fsckr: ill add that and see what happens
[16:19:20] fsckr: i didn't think that was necessary.
[16:19:29] iamlindoro__: Heh
[16:19:41] iamlindoro__: If you have no firmware, you're using the PVR in framegrabber mode, which explains no audio
[16:19:52] iamlindoro__: firmware is non-optional
[16:20:06] javatexan: does anyone know where the mythvideo "video manager" scripts are?
[16:20:07] fsckr: well ive added v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw to \modules
[16:20:13] fsckr: to \lib\modules
[16:20:29] iamlindoro__: fsckr: That's very unlikely to be where your distro looks for firmwares
[16:20:49] elprespufferfish: fsckr, does arch not have a package for it or something
[16:21:02] iamlindoro__: more likely /lib/firmware or /lib/firmware/kernelversionnumber
[16:21:03] fsckr: package for mythtv?
[16:21:10] elprespufferfish: fsckr, for ivtv firmware
[16:21:17] fsckr: no it doesnt
[16:21:18] elprespufferfish: fsckr, eg, in gentoo `emerge ivtv-firmware`
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[16:21:30] fsckr: thats where i added taht firmware to /lib/firmwire
[16:21:34] fsckr: not /lib/modules
[16:21:43] elprespufferfish: fsckr, reload the modules and see?
[16:22:06] iamlindoro__: Then it's either *still* in the wrong spot (see your distro people for that) or it's the wrong firmware version
[16:22:25] fsckr: ok ill look into ty guys very much for the help
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[16:23:14] javatexan: all I can find is this in the videomenu.xml in /usr/share/mythtv <action>MANAGER</action>
[16:23:32] Anduin: javatexan: which "scripts"?
[16:24:06] javatexan: video manager...the one that parses the video folders and adds them to database
[16:24:32] Anduin: javatexan: that isn't how video manager works, if you want something close you can try find_meta.py
[16:25:23] fsckr: well for archlinux it is /lib/firmware and thats where i have the firmware installed
[16:26:39] iamlindoro__: Then you have a damaged/wrong file
[16:26:55] elprespufferfish: did you reload the modules?
[16:27:00] elprespufferfish: does it still give that message in dmesg?
[16:28:02] javatexan: so what happens when you press the "video manager" button. I know that it performs the Manager action....where do I find it.
[16:28:32] iamlindoro__: javatexan: It's in the source, it's not a script
[16:29:00] iamlindoro__: mythplugins/mythvideo/mythvideo/videomanager.cpp
[16:29:15] javatexan: thanks iamlindoro
[16:29:36] javatexan: i aint skert of no source....LOL
[16:29:58] elprespufferfish: out of curiosity, what are you trying to do?
[16:30:38] iamlindoro__: I wouldn't make any changes you hope to submit to that, though, as MythVideo has changed drastically since .21-fixes
[16:30:49] iamlindoro__: (and the Video Manager screen is going away)
[16:31:15] iamlindoro__: It still exists in trunk but is more or less useless and will likely be removed soonish
[16:31:40] elprespufferfish: orly?
[16:31:45] iamlindoro__: yes
[16:31:46] elprespufferfish: where will that functionality go
[16:31:50] javatexan: elprespufferfish: I have a process that encodes shows, figures out which dir it should go into and copies them there. I then have to periodically go to the video manager to add them. I am wondering if there is a way to kick off the video manager functionality from my scripts....they are in perl
[16:32:25] iamlindoro__: It's already in the Video Gallery itself
[16:32:43] elprespufferfish: i see
[16:32:47] javatexan: so its going to run everytime you go into the gallery?
[16:32:47] elprespufferfish: so when will the database be updated
[16:33:05] iamlindoro__: when you press M and choose Scan for changes
[16:33:17] elprespufferfish: i wish it would do it automatically
[16:33:22] elprespufferfish: using inotify or something
[16:33:36] iamlindoro__: I'm sure patches would be welcomed (ones that didn't require outside deps)
[16:34:25] iamlindoro__: inotify would possibly be acceptable, you'd have to speak to the MythVideo maintainer about it, and what his plans are
[16:34:46] elprespufferfish: meh
[16:34:51] elprespufferfish: maybe once i get my htpc stable again
[16:35:55] dustybin: i think mythvideo should be built into mythtv, do you agree?
[16:36:08] elprespufferfish: i don't see anything wrong with it being a plugin
[16:36:11] Anduin: At some point QFileSystemWatcher will be used, probably not for 0.22 though
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[16:41:12] javatexan: so the short of it is, not really...LOL
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[16:42:38] javatexan: thats cool...no worries. Just trying to make it to where I don't have to "babysit" videos once a day.
[16:42:46] javatexan: or so
[16:43:14] Anduin: and are still willing to ignore find_meta.py
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[16:44:28] javatexan: ill look at it too....
[16:46:22] javatexan: wow I love my quad core....I love mencoding 2 shows at once while I have 2 mythfrontends watching 2 shows while my MicroTrash XP is watching another show via samba.....life is good.. :D
[16:46:56] javatexan: I can only watch so much Mickey Mouse and Rachel Ray...LOL
[16:47:53] GreyFoxx: dustybin: At some point it likely will be integrated directly
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[16:53:28] GreyFoxx: hahaha I love it, 2 shopping malls have no power because of the outage here
[16:53:43] javatexan: lol
[16:54:14] GreyFoxx: I found out when the customer called to ask why their Internet wasn't working..."Ummm do yuo have power sir? No, why would that make a dif....oh....right"
[16:54:15] GreyFoxx: haha
[16:55:00] GreyFoxx: eh thought magically that since his laptop still had power show should his fibre transceivers :)
[16:55:17] javatexan: GreyFoxx: what are you working on these days? My contract was canceled due to change in economy here, so I will have more time to work on mythtv...maybe a little too much time. I was consulting 20–25 hours/wk
[16:55:22] javatexan: lol...thats rich
[16:59:49] GreyFoxx: Mostly work stuff unfortunately
[17:00:01] GreyFoxx: though I'm researching my spring/summer project now
[17:00:19] GreyFoxx: Gonna build a Quad Copter with fpv goggles and such
[17:00:30] GreyFoxx: which will require me to learn about a bunch of stuff Iknow little about
[17:01:45] jackson__: GreyFoxx, like the DraganFly?
[17:01:47] GreyFoxx: gonna start buying the bits a few weeks after xmas :)
[17:01:57] GreyFoxx: jackson__: Similar yeah
[17:02:09] GreyFoxx: Lot of guys are building their own now
[17:02:28] GreyFoxx: And some are using their own boards rather than prebuild
[17:02:34] GreyFoxx: makes the cost much lower
[17:02:46] jackson__: GreyFoxx, the fpv stuff looks really fun – with the servo actuated pan/tilt mounts for the camera linked to a gyro on your goggles or hat :)
[17:02:52] GreyFoxx: pick up an arduino for $20 or buy a $400 board heh
[17:04:01] jackson__: Although I'm a huge heli enthusiast, I'm thinking of trying the fpv with a smaller electric airplane :)
[17:06:50] GreyFoxx: heh
[17:07:01] GreyFoxx: I haven't decided on what cameras/fpv goggles
[17:07:26] GreyFoxx: but I don't need to decide that yet
[17:07:32] GreyFoxx: more worried about the frame/motors and such now
[17:07:39] jackson__: Some of the vidoes people have produced look fantastic – gives a VERY realistic feeling of being in the cockpit.
[17:07:41] GreyFoxx: then gotta decide on the controller and finally camera stuff
[17:07:46] GreyFoxx: yeah
[17:08:07] jackson__: and a lot cheaper than renting an airplane out at the airport! heh
[17:08:26] GreyFoxx: Many are using cheap micro cams with the FPV stuff, AND taking apart handheld video recorders (inhd and such) and using those for recording a full video during flight
[17:08:37] jackson__: a Cessna 172 is going for $120/hr these days. Man, when I started, it was $60/hr.
[17:08:38] GreyFoxx: remove the casing and those get much lighter :)
[17:10:35] jackson__: It's great that brushless motors and speed controls are getting much less expensive. What are your thrust requirements per motor?
[17:13:07] GreyFoxx: I have none at this point
[17:13:18] GreyFoxx: I'm literally reading everything on the subject Ican right now
[17:13:41] GreyFoxx: including all of the forumns and long threads of people actually building them and what they find works and or isn't worth it
[17:13:47] jackson__: well I hope to hear how you get along with it. You've done other rc stuff before I take it?
[17:14:05] GreyFoxx: jackson__: Just cars. and mini tiny helicopters :)
[17:14:20] jackson__: GreyFoxx, you mind if I pm you?
[17:14:30] GreyFoxx: I have a truck Rc at home with a cam and wireless transmitter
[17:14:45] GreyFoxx: I use it to chase the cats around the house while watching them on the projector :)
[17:14:57] GreyFoxx: jackson__: Sure
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[17:16:25] GreyFoxx: I plan to document the entire thing from start to finish
[17:16:39] GreyFoxx: with pictures, videos and as much relevant info as I can
[17:22:22] iamlindoro: What's all this David Morrisey as Doctor Who business then?
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[17:31:59] dustybin: i wonder what keeps on causing this:
[17:32:01] dustybin: [16775.419873] mythfilldatabas[8261]: segfault at 13189962 ip 098dfd17 sp b49037cc error 6
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[17:33:49] iamlindoro: compile a debug build, get a backtrace, and find out
[17:39:53] dustybin: also, the very latest v4l nova-t 500 drivers are now buggy, the driver worked stable before i done a recent upgrade
[17:40:27] dustybin: lots of these errors: [50570.665301] mt2060 I2C write failed
[17:40:50] iamlindoro: ask in #linuxtv
[17:41:10] dustybin: ok
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[18:14:27] iamlindoro: And when someone asks you a question (15 minutes ago) you probably ought to *respond*, dustybin
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[18:29:38] Dagmar: coil: Ther'es nothing much special to it
[18:29:41] Dagmar: wrong chan
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[18:52:54] Freeaqingme: I just installed mythtv. Whatever I try though, it doens't find any channels when scanning them (even not with try-all). Kdetv works fine though. Any clues on what I could be doing wrong?
[18:53:04] wagnerrp: digital or analog?
[18:53:11] Freeaqingme: analog
[18:53:38] wagnerrp: i can only think the card is not set up properly, or youre not using the correct scan settings
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[18:54:57] Dagmar: So, I was somewhat under the impression that scanning was mainly for digital
[18:55:05] wagnerrp: there is that too
[18:55:12] wagnerrp: if youre in the US, youre really not supposed to scan
[18:55:24] wagnerrp: just grab your channels directly from schedulesdirect
[18:55:53] wagnerrp: in... 3.5 years?.... ive never actually done an analog channel scan
[18:56:11] wagnerrp: 2.5 years
[18:56:35] Dagmar: I'm not sure it's possible since I've yet to see anything about signal strength reported by an analog card
[18:56:48] wagnerrp: anyway, if you have not set up schedules direct, do so now
[18:56:54] Dagmar: You kinda either get a picture or you don't and it can't really tell
[18:57:19] wagnerrp: mythtv is next to worthless without scheduling data
[18:57:23] Freeaqingme: the problem is that I'm in europe ;)
[18:57:43] Dagmar: Well, you probably don't have that many channel to worry about. Just enter 'em manually
[18:57:43] wagnerrp: if youre in europe, have fun with scrapers... :P
[18:58:09] Dagmar: ....unless you're on analog cable
[18:58:20] Freeaqingme: well, I am in Europe on analog cable ;)
[18:58:33] Dagmar: So you'll have a bunch of channels to enter
[18:58:44] Freeaqingme: only 35 :P
[18:58:51] Dagmar: That's not so bad
[18:59:52] Freeaqingme: what I dont understand btw, why is kdetv able to scan them, while mythtv isn't?
[19:01:03] iamlindoro: Nobody said it's not possible, just usually not advisable
[19:01:23] iamlindoro: usual reasons are card set up as wrong card type and wrong frequency tables
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[19:06:06] wagnerrp: you know, i absolutely love when i run a command and it works perfectly, so i put it in a script and it fails horribly
[19:07:58] wagnerrp: oh, seems it was working, some of the file names just had apostrophes that were not escaped out
[19:08:55] wagnerrp: i really hate having to worry about string safety
[19:09:28] iamlindoro: If you don't, you end up with a rash that won't go away and nasty paternity suits
[19:10:20] wagnerrp: are you implying something about my anatomy?
[19:10:52] iamlindoro: No, should I be?
[19:12:15] wagnerrp: what tables are used by mythvideo?
[19:12:32] iamlindoro: Settings, videometadata
[19:12:38] wagnerrp: im trying to move my shows from 'series/title' to 'series/season/title' without having to rescan all of them
[19:12:46] elprespufferfish: ah geeze
[19:12:57] iamlindoro: that'll be in videometadata, then, as filename
[19:13:13] elprespufferfish: http://rafb.net/p/joJX2711.html
[19:13:25] elprespufferfish: any ideas why my firewire connection is throwing that now
[19:13:35] iamlindoro: elprespufferfish, That's generic on the frontend, real info is in the backend
[19:13:43] iamlindoro: erm excuse me
[19:13:52] elprespufferfish: ah
[19:13:58] elprespufferfish: Could not find Motorola DCT-6200 on the 1394 bus.
[19:14:02] elprespufferfish: that looks like a winner
[19:14:08] iamlindoro: most likely :)
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[19:14:16] iamlindoro: are you using 6200ch as a channel changer?
[19:14:22] elprespufferfish: yes
[19:14:27] iamlindoro: that's an error from 6200ch
[19:14:38] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: thats it? nothing else? i moved the file, i moved the 'filename', and the file still show up in the old location in mythvideo
[19:14:46] iamlindoro: do a plugreport, get the GUID, and then try 6200ch -g guidnumber 123
[19:15:13] iamlindoro: wagnerrp, yep, should be it-- This is in trunk?
[19:15:17] elprespufferfish: i need to pass it -n 0
[19:15:19] wagnerrp: yeah
[19:15:23] elprespufferfish: do i do tha tin mythtv-setup?
[19:15:27] iamlindoro: elprespufferfish, You shouldn't need node if you use guid
[19:15:35] iamlindoro: elprespufferfish, no, test from the command line
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[19:15:51] iamlindoro: wagnerrp, Any chance you stayed in mythvideo without leaving it, waiting at least five seconds, and then returning?
[19:15:55] elprespufferfish: iamlindoro, that worekd
[19:15:56] iamlindoro: wagnerrp, (the metadata is cached)
[19:16:03] elprespufferfish: iamlindoro, from the command line, either -g or -n 0
[19:16:05] wagnerrp: the frontend was closed when i made the changes
[19:16:13] iamlindoro: elprespufferfish, Then change your channel change command to includ the guid
[19:16:17] iamlindoro: elprespufferfish, do not use node
[19:16:20] iamlindoro: nodes change
[19:16:23] iamlindoro: guids do not
[19:16:35] iamlindoro: and the change of node is likely why it failed in the first place
[19:16:51] cyberai: does anyone know how to set which tuner LIveTV should use by default in 0.21?
[19:17:11] wagnerrp: livetv just uses the first available tuner going down the list
[19:17:14] elprespufferfish: iamlindoro, but in mythtv-setup it has the correct guid
[19:17:24] iamlindoro: elprespufferfish, In the channel change commandline?
[19:17:46] cyberai: wagnerrp, thats weird because mine is skipping over two others that work fine
[19:18:09] elprespufferfish: iamlindoro, in the gui there's a GUID line, with the correct value
[19:18:13] iamlindoro: cyberai, have you given the tuner it's choosing higher priority?
[19:18:25] iamlindoro: elprespufferfish, That has nothing to do with anything if you're using a channel change script
[19:18:41] elprespufferfish: iamlindoro, ok then!
[19:18:44] iamlindoro: if you are using 6200ch, you need to specify the GUID in the command line in mythtv-setup
[19:18:52] cyberai: iamlindoro, I have to look, is that in mythtv-setup?
[19:19:05] iamlindoro: ie Channel change script: /usr/bin/6200ch -g 41238471239078
[19:19:12] iamlindoro: cyberai, yes
[19:19:18] wagnerrp: damnit! im making changes to the wrong database again!
[19:20:05] wagnerrp: making changes to 'mythconverg.*' when i should be using 'mythconverg_trunk.*'
[19:20:12] iamlindoro: yes, that would do it :)_
[19:20:45] iamlindoro: argh, UPS man needs to get here *now* while I'm home
[19:22:10] cyberai: iamlindoro, I set my first and second tuners to priority 5 and 3, but it still skips them and trues to use tuner 3. Weird thing is, recordings use the proper sequence. I can record fine.
[19:22:30] elprespufferfish: success! tv
[19:22:44] iamlindoro: cyberai, Then you likely have the setting to choose livetv tuner to avoid recordings conflict option checked
[19:22:50] cyberai: aha
[19:22:54] cyberai: let me look at that
[19:23:06] iamlindoro: That's in the frontend, btw
[19:23:41] iamlindoro: Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->General, first page, IIRC
[19:24:03] iamlindoro: "Avoid Conflicts between live tv and blah blah blah"
[19:28:13] cyberai: got it, thanks
[19:28:17] cyberai: works now
[19:28:28] cyberai: seems my third tuner is on the fritz
[19:28:35] cyberai: thanks
[19:28:40] iamlindoro: np
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[19:51:28] iamlindoro: sphery, you can get started on your DB fix for retards who applied HD-PVR backports now
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[19:54:26] wagnerrp: because some hacked backport is somehow going to be more stable than trunk?
[19:55:31] iamlindoro: The -users list makes me crazy. Someone tries to apply trunk patches an assumes they'll get HD-PVR support. I proceed to tell them HD-PVR is trunk only. Reatrd #2 comes in a links backport patches that break DB upgrades. Retard #1 comes back and thanks retard #2 and tells him how great it's all working
[19:55:57] iamlindoro: Which is as always a not-so-subtle dig at the person who said otherwise
[19:56:19] Dagmar: Sounds like you need to do what I started doing with all the "I want to install Dropline on Slackware '96" people.
[19:56:26] Dagmar: Ignore their dumb asses.
[19:56:44] iamlindoro: I consider it preventative medicine
[19:56:52] iamlindoro: it keeps them out of here when .22 is released
[19:57:01] Dagmar: You can ignore them in here, too.
[19:57:06] iamlindoro: I'd rather amortize the frustration over months :)
[19:57:09] Dagmar: I ignore a LOT of people here
[19:57:34] Dagmar: ...just because I know beyond a shadow of a doubt if I tell them what their problem is, they're just going to bitch at me for bothering.
[19:57:37] iamlindoro: c'mon UPS man, show up now
[19:57:53] Dagmar: Nevermind that I might be the only person even willing to say a word to them, they'll be d*cks about it anyway
[19:58:22] Dagmar: iamlindoro: check the tracking number against their site. If the status isn't "out for delivery" you're just f**ked.
[19:58:38] iamlindoro: it is out for delivery
[19:59:06] iamlindoro: But it needs a signature and I have to get to my folks' for a Christmas eve party
[19:59:30] iamlindoro: Heh, I see the Fed Ex man, that's 100% not helpful :)
[19:59:30] Dagmar: Okay well there's good news then
[19:59:49] Dagmar: If you miss him today, look on the back of the little note they leave.
[20:00:01] iamlindoro: Dagmar, I have received a few packages before you know :)
[20:00:03] Dagmar: You can sign that so they don't have to have you there when they attempt delivery the following day
[20:00:17] iamlindoro: The idea, however, is to get it *today*, ie before Christmas
[20:00:23] Dagmar: Okay, so you should know they generally come at the same time each time they come
[20:00:35] iamlindoro: With *christmas eve* being a notable exception
[20:01:05] Dagmar: Why?
[20:01:13] Dagmar: Does it only have odd-numbered hours in the day?
[20:01:38] iamlindoro: Dagmar, I'm not just making things up you know, UPS delivers from the very early morning until very late in the evening on Christmas Eve
[20:01:38] Dagmar: I get screwed because both FedEx and UPS have my area on the tail end of their routes
[20:01:39] wagnerrp: so why does intel not want to open the Atom to nvidia chipsets?
[20:01:56] wagnerrp: does that mean theyre actually going to release a worthwhile chipset for it?
[20:02:04] Dagmar: ...so basically, I get everything from FedEx between 4pm and 5pm and UPS from 5pm to 7pm
[20:02:22] iamlindoro: wagnerrp, Heh, probably now
[20:02:23] iamlindoro: not
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[20:02:57] iamlindoro: But hey, now there are VAAPI patches for mplayer/libav* even though there are no drivers to use it, heh
[20:03:45] wagnerrp: is there anything to stop manu's from buying the bundle, tossing the 945 completely, and throwing on a nvidia chip?
[20:04:05] iamlindoro: just cost, I would guess
[20:04:41] erb: if i want to put my mythtv box up in my living room without keyboard or mouse can i configure it so that wheni turn it on it automatically opens up mythtv so i dont have to type in my linux user/password then click on mythtv manually?
[20:05:03] Dagmar: wagnerrp: Why would nvidia not want to open their chipset to AMD? I dunno.
[20:05:05] Dagmar: I can't even guess.
[20:05:12] iamlindoro: yes. How you accomplish this will depend on your WM, so you should google that
[20:05:13] Dagmar: No clue at all.
[20:05:43] iamlindoro: Dagmar, Where does AMD come into it?
[20:06:16] Dagmar: Because they're deep in bed with nVidia.
[20:06:22] Dagmar: ...which is f**king bizarre
[20:06:45] iamlindoro: But... we're speaking of an intel chipset and chip and nVidia graphics... why do you maention AMD?
[20:06:48] erb: iamlindoro you talking to mean?
[20:06:48] Dagmar: I keep waiting for gov't regulators to snort and wake up
[20:06:52] erb: im using gnome
[20:07:03] erb: default ubuntu install
[20:07:07] iamlindoro: erb, Yes, I'm speaking to you. So google "gdm auto login"
[20:07:17] iamlindoro: or "gdm automatic login"
[20:07:30] Dagmar: You don't need GDM at all for that
[20:08:01] Dagmar: erb: You're basically wanting to set this up as an appliance, right?
[20:08:18] iamlindoro: Here we go, let's complicate things unnecessarily
[20:08:35] erb: yes dag
[20:08:38] erb: it'll do nothing but be a mythtv box
[20:08:48] iamlindoro: Instead of adding two lines to gdm/custom.conf, let's hear what we should do instead.
[20:08:55] Dagmar: iamlindoro: nVidia is already partnering with AMD for the 780g chipset and so on. It's unlikely they'd find their relationship with AMD to be quite the same if they did something with Intel like that
[20:09:09] Dagmar: iamlindoro: Not use GDM at all
[20:09:22] Dagmar: If no one is logging in, GDM is a waste of resources.
[20:09:29] erb: i agree
[20:09:32] iamlindoro: Dagmar, Do you think that will be *easier* to implement for this guy than the two lines it would take to set up what he wants?
[20:09:39] Dagmar: erb: I'll dig up which file to poke at in just a moment
[20:09:40] iamlindoro: fine, go, enjoy yourselfs
[20:09:46] erb: iam
[20:09:49] Dagmar: iamlindoro: Feel free to produce those two lines then
[20:09:50] iamlindoro: yourselves, rather
[20:09:58] iamlindoro: AutomaticLoginEnable=true
[20:09:58] iamlindoro: AutomaticLogin=mythtv
[20:10:02] iamlindoro: Will there be anything else?
[20:10:12] erb: thank you for your help lindoro
[20:10:41] erb: i'd create a user named mythtv if i do that and not give him a password?
[20:10:45] Dagmar: erb: So, if ther'es a particular username you want this run as, you'l need to know this: `su – (username) (command)`
[20:10:47] iamlindoro: where mythtv = the name of the user you want to autologin, YMMV
[20:11:05] iamlindoro: erb, no, your user can have a password, and you can put any user you like in there
[20:11:13] Dagmar: The "short" way to go is to have the system do a simple `startx` instead of GDM, and then have .xinitrc for the user that's starting X start mythfrontend/mythwelcome
[20:11:27] iamlindoro: it will just bypass asking for it when starting up
[20:11:49] iamlindoro: Those lines go in the [daemon] section, btw
[20:12:12] iamlindoro: in /etc/gdm/custom.conf
[20:12:56] erb: dag: oh I see what you're saying
[20:13:24] erb: that way it'll start the simpliest WM program
[20:13:36] erb: save some resources over gnome
[20:13:49] Dagmar: If you use the Internal player so that no external program is spawned, you don't even need a window manager
[20:14:04] Dagmar: It's easier to do this with Slackware because it's a bit less complex during startup, but...
[20:14:22] Dagmar: After looking at the Ubuntu install here it seems the f**kers are using runlevel 2 for a "normal" startup...
[20:14:32] Dagmar: ..which starts GDM at S30.
[20:14:37] erb: i think dagmar has the right idea for me
[20:14:40] erb: er
[20:14:42] erb: lindoro
[20:15:02] erb: the box isn't top of the line but it'll run gnome fine
[20:15:13] erb: even if i'm not really taking advantage of the resources
[20:15:18] erb: it'll save me a big headache it seems
[20:16:05] erb: i think its an amd 3800
[20:16:07] Dagmar: So rather than break or tamper with runlevel 2, we'll attack runlevel 3 or 4, your choise
[20:16:28] erb: dag: it seems easier to just let gnome run and edit the custom.conf file
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[20:16:46] Dagmar: If you cd into /etc/rc3.d (or rc4.d, again, your choise) you can do an ls and see everything that happens when entering or exiting that runlevel
[20:16:56] Dagmar: Easier but it'll be slower to start
[20:17:07] Dagmar: My explanation is longer than anything else
[20:17:25] erb: erb@mediabox:/etc/rc3.d$ ls *gdm*
[20:17:25] erb: S30gdm
[20:17:52] erb: same thing in the rc4
[20:18:16] erb: oh yeah they're all the same
[20:18:20] erb: symlinks to init.d
[20:18:44] Dagmar: Anyway, if you went into /etc/rc[34].d and yanked S30gdm and replaced it with something that does umm... `su – mythtv startx &` and then put `exec mythtfrontend` into /home/mythtv/.xinitrc it would make the system just start X instead of letting GDM start X, and then X would start mythfrontend
[20:18:50] Dagmar: Yeah
[20:19:08] Dagmar: It's reasonably simple stuff in there, there's just a crapton o fit
[20:19:48] erb: so i should make a copy of my /etc/init.d/gdm file
[20:20:00] erb: then put a bash script in /etc/init.d/gdm
[20:20:02] Dagmar: You can. You probably shouldn't edit the original
[20:20:04] erb: and have it run that command?
[20:20:38] Dagmar: Although, have you considered just grabbing MythBuntu?
[20:21:01] Dagmar: I mean if you're going to run this as an appliance, MythBuntu is basically the same thing as Ubuntu, but with all this groundwork already taken care of
[20:21:09] erb: oh
[20:21:16] erb: i'd have no problem wiping the hard drive
[20:21:18] erb: and starting fresh
[20:21:23] erb: i just installed ubuntu yesterday
[20:21:32] erb: i found an old hard drive laying around and built this computer last night
[20:21:34] Dagmar: Ah great, yeah grab a MythBuntu ISO then
[20:21:51] erb: its not going to be used fo ranything other than a mythtv box
[20:22:07] Dagmar: Iamlindoro's right in that it's easy enough to make GDM start mythTV, but GDM is, well, a piece of crap.
[20:22:13] Dagmar: I hate it with a passion.
[20:22:15] erb: i dont want it on 24/7 though
[20:22:25] erb: thats why its very important that wen i hit the power button
[20:22:29] erb: it boots up right into mythtv
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[20:22:32] Dagmar: That's ACPI configuration stuff
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[20:22:41] erb: because i dont want to have to put in a keyboard and mouse
[20:22:49] Dagmar: Oh, well, MythBuntu is expecting you'll treat it like an appliance so no worries there
[20:22:57] erb: sounds nice
[20:23:16] Dagmar: I thought you were going to say when you hit the power button you wanted the machine to shutdown gradcefully
[20:23:26] erb: i dont care how it shuts down
[20:23:26] erb: lol
[20:23:34] Dagmar: Umm..you absolutely sahould care about that
[20:23:50] erb: if i hit my power button its going to shut down ust like regular ubuntu isnt it?
[20:24:00] Dagmar: mysql will metaphorically speaking, douse your stuff in kersoene and light it if you hard power off the machine
[20:24:02] erb: same as vista, xp, etc
[20:24:27] Dagmar: Yeah provided ACPI stuff got set up right it'll do what you expect when you just press the power button
[20:24:31] erb: i dont mean hold down the power button to instantly shut it off
[20:24:51] Dagmar: If you've a spouse or SO around you might want to consider putting a sticker on it that says "JUST PUSH, *DON'T* HOLD"
[20:24:51] erb: right now if i tap the power button quick on my ubuntu box it knows what to do
[20:24:54] erb: goes into shut down mode
[20:25:07] erb: dagmar: my fiance knows the deal :)
[20:25:18] Dagmar: The _first_ time my GF didn't see the machine shut down when she pressed it, so she pushed again and held the button down.
[20:25:53] Dagmar: Juuuust clued enough to be dangerous
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[20:26:45] erb: does it matter if its 64 bit or 32 bit?
[20:26:56] erb: not sure about linux compatibility
[20:27:04] Dagmar: Not really, unless you somehow managed to get your hands on a 32-bit chip
[20:27:09] wagnerrp: do you have >4gb of memory in the machine?
[20:27:13] erb: not this one
[20:27:19] erb: thats why i upgraded my vista box to 64
[20:27:21] erb: i have 6gb of ram in it
[20:27:26] erb: but my mythbuntu will only have 2
[20:27:38] Dagmar: So pick either image. It doesn't matter much which one
[20:28:11] erb: nice
[20:28:17] erb: er not so nice
[20:28:21] erb: i was getting it at 2MB/s
[20:28:24] erb: now its down to 1.1
[20:28:33] erb: oh well only 7 minutes remaining anyhow
[20:28:49] Dagmar: You can be a *little* patient
[20:29:03] Dagmar: You're making those of us who grew up with analog modems wanna smack yhou.
[20:29:28] wagnerrp: there are some applications that get a big boost from being able to work directly with 64-bit ints, cryptography being a bit one
[20:29:33] ** Dagmar mimics "DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY *DAYS* THAT WOULD TAKE OVER A MODEM?" **
[20:29:54] Dagmar: hehe
[20:30:03] wagnerrp: but figure SSE has been 64-bit (80-bit internally) since its inception
[20:30:49] wagnerrp: the only real advantage of 64-bit for most applications is the register space
[20:30:59] Dagmar: I'm not noticing it help many things
[20:33:34] erb: im disapointed in vista64
[20:33:56] erb: if i go back to 32 though i lose half my ram
[20:33:56] wagnerrp: how so
[20:33:57] erb: or almost half
[20:34:13] wagnerrp: no, you lose 2/3 of your memory
[20:34:20] erb: i'd go from 6gb to 3.2
[20:34:41] erb: wag: it isnt any faster than 32 bit was
[20:34:45] erb: even with the additional ram
[20:34:58] erb: takes the same amount of time to rip dvds it seems
[20:34:58] kormoc: you expected differently?
[20:35:09] erb: maybe my processor is bottle necking me
[20:35:10] wagnerrp: well, one 32-bit application can only manage 2GB of memory (by default in windows)
[20:35:20] erb: wag: oh i didnt know that
[20:35:26] erb: kormoc: i did
[20:35:29] erb: but i didnt have high hopes
[20:35:45] Dagmar: Unless the operating system itself is ripping your DVDs there's a reason it didn't speed up
[20:35:49] kormoc: yet alone 32 bit apps on 64 bit windows actually run in a emulation layer
[20:36:07] wagnerrp: the ONLY thing 64-bit operation gets you for most applications is additional register space
[20:36:30] erb: nice mythbuntu finished downloading
[20:36:32] wagnerrp: which really has no bearing on 32-bit vs. 64-bit, but rather that youre now using a completely different architecture
[20:37:19] erb: i wish my mythbuntu box used ddr2
[20:37:36] erb: i could use some of this extra ram i have
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[20:39:30] CRXLPY: I have set a hotkey to make a PNG of the currently viewed frame but pressing it does nothing that I can tell. I have yet to find the ping, I have no idea what it will be called anyway.
[20:40:32] iamlindoro: I expect it will be in ~/.mythtv somewhere
[20:41:23] CRXLPY: no
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[20:42:11] CRXLPY: first place I looked actually
[20:42:52] CRXLPY: I have looked in the recordings directories too
[20:44:30] CRXLPY: I have tried the alternative method of setting a bookmark at the frame, but that does not make a thumbnail either. nothing in the logs about it at all
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[22:03:23] wolfspirit: has anyone ever had an issue with sound being very low just under the watching live tv?
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[22:48:02] dustybin: Merry Christmas MythTV x
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[23:01:59] laga: yeah, merry christmas.
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[23:09:17] quentusrex_: I'm recording HD tv shows... They take up 7GB per hour.
[23:09:33] quentusrex_: What is a good way to transcode them down?
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[23:33:24] Dagmar: By using a transcoder.
[23:34:11] laga: captain obvious
[23:34:57] Dagmar: Hey, someone had to say it.
[23:36:01] laga: yes
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