Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, December 22nd, 2008, 00:04 UTC

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jams:

iamlindoro- comment lines 44&45 (query.prepare and query.exec) in mythsettings/settemplate.cpp those were for debugging & introduce a bug when dealing with multiple hostnames using the saved_settings name.

[00:05:36]

iamlindoro:

Heh, good timing, just did make install

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jams:

truncating the table causes bad things to happen.

[00:06:18]

** iamlindoro reminds himself to back up the DB ;) **

[00:07:08]

jams:

still worked, but erased any other hosts that happend to be using that profilename

[00:07:25]

jams:

yeah you should backup the db =)

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iamlindoro:

Sure that menu entry shouldn't go under Utilities/Setup?

[00:09:15]

iamlindoro:

Nice and Simple, I like

[00:09:44]

iamlindoro:

Maybe something more descriptive for the menu title, though? "Backup/Restore Frontend Settings?"

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iamlindoro:

or, actually, import/export is more correct

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jams:

it should be, but for testing it's easier on the main

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iamlindoro:

ok

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jams:

Yeah feel free to clean up the text. I know it's a bit inconsistent

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jams:

"Backup/Restore Frontend Settings" <= a bit to long

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iamlindoro:

Import/Export Settings

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iamlindoro:

I suppose by virtue of being in the frontend it's obvious that they're frontend settings

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jams:

I like Save/Restore vs Import/Export

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iamlindoro:

sure

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jams:

the import/export is actually another python script I use

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iamlindoro:

http://rafb.net/p/MLEh7b55.html btw

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iamlindoro:

May or may not want to add that, I dunno

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jams:

oh yeah that didn't make it into the patch

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jams:

even made a note to myself to include it.

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iamlindoro:

mythsettings -o save -t TestOutput -n Moriarty sound about right?

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iamlindoro:

I do get "Qt: Session management error: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported" although it still works fine

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iamlindoro:

When I do a save operation from the frontend it appears to reload, I assume that's because it wants to reload settings in case of a restore, might want to limit the reload to restores?

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iamlindoro:

(and copy_from)

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dustybin:

i deleted all the adverts / menus / trailors etc with a bit of windows software called 'clonedvd', it dones it job, however, when mythtv played it back, it lost the aspect ratio setting, so i had to flick the 16:9 switch in that little white menu

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dustybin:

i cannot figure why that happened

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iamlindoro:

So ask the makers of your software *eyeroll*

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dustybin:

same people who created anydvd

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dustybin:

http://www.slysoft.com/en/clonedvd.html

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iamlindoro:

So. Ask. Them.

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dustybin:

ok!

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CaptObviousman:

you know, i will volunteer to ask them for you for a commission

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dustybin:

:P

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iamlindoro:

CaptObviousman, He's unemployed and lives with his sister, good luck

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dustybin:

lol

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CaptObviousman:

for only $10,000 or 10% of your yearly income before taxes, whichever is higher

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iamlindoro:

10% of zero, let's see, carry the one...

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: can anydvd remove the menus + adverts on its own?

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dustybin:

or do you do it manually

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iamlindoro:

That's not what AnyDVD does.

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dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

ill test out a few more dvds see what happens

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iamlindoro:

And as I don't use it on SD material, it's as simple as looking at the largest file on the Bluray and copying it off

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dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

mythtv seems to play back all my dvd isos perfectly now

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dustybin:

so now i dont need any rips

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jams:

iamlindoro- I don't get that QT error

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iamlindoro:

jams, no worries, still works fine

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jams:

iamlindoro- yes it reloads the settings anytime you don't cancel out of the wizard.

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dustybin:

i was thinking, is there a such thing as a lossless video compression, a bit like what FLAC is to music?

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iamlindoro:

jams, Maybe set a bool ActivateReload to true for copy_from and restore and make it a condition for the reload?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, there are many methods of lossless video compression

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kdubya:

seeing as any video you get is going to be compressed i dont see any reason to convert it to something lossless

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kdubya:

but of course you could

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dustybin:

ok, so it will not compress well? FLAC does a great job with my music

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kdubya:

dude, there is no point in doing it

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kdubya:

unless you are getting stuff that is already losslessly compressed or not compressed at all

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, uncompressed video is in the multiple gigabits per second. How well do you think that will compress losslessly?

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dustybin:

jeeze

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jams:

iamlindoro- probably possible, not for sure how to return such a thing from the wizard.

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dustybin:

i think im going to ditch my handbrake rips, and try and figure out a way of extracting the crap out of my dvds

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iamlindoro:

jams, I will poke at it a bit if that's okay

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jams:

sure

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jams:

you can also add the dialog box saying "you tried to copy settings from a host, but the template didn't have settings for that host"

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jams:

Will probably drop "Do nothing" from the list of options as well

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jams:

That predates the "run" button

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jams:

i bet sphery would have fun with this as well

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iamlindoro:

He does love the hot hot DB action

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jams:

yep

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jams:

at one point I was thinking the db backup/restore might fit in with this stuff as well.

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CaptObviousman:

hmm, what's the quick way to check my processor's temperature

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CaptObviousman:

does it show up in /proc somewhere?

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kormoc:

lmsensors

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kormoc:

Google and hope

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dustybin:

CPU Temp: +42.5°C (high = +80.0°C, hyst = +75.0°C) sensor = diode

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CaptObviousman:

I assume dustybin has lmsensors installed already

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dustybin:

aye

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CaptObviousman:

well I went over and touched the HSF, it was cold

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CaptObviousman:

so it's not an overheating issue

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CaptObviousman:

hmm, lotta NVP: prebuffering pause errors in zee log

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dustybin:

i just met a girl online who has heard of C++ and Python

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** dustybin is shocked **

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mattwj2002:

o_O

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CaptObviousman:

dustybin: they do exist

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iamlindoro:

Wow, I'm sure she'll be swept off her feet by your lack of job and future and you guys will make sweet, passionate love

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dustybin:

she said:

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dustybin:

I have my geeky moments! I can't work out HTML, or C++ or python though so I don't really count myself as a proper geek!

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CaptObviousman:

some girls dig geeks. God bless 'em

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iamlindoro:

How do they generally feel about the homebound broke guys with hygeine, fitness, and social problems?

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kdubya:

i wouldnt know, im not broke

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iamlindoro:

But he is, ergo the question

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CaptObviousman:

there's no accounting for taste

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iamlindoro:

All I'm saying is he'd better buy a very cute dog

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CaptObviousman:

hah

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dustybin:

oh dear

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dustybin:

"I feel I can now confess that I also spend a lot of my free time playing world of warcraft..."

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CaptObviousman:

cha-ching

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CaptObviousman:

you have something in common!

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iamlindoro:

He can't afford WoW

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iamlindoro:

so he builds cardboard armor

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dustybin:

i never play games, i grew out of them after Amiga died

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dustybin:

:P

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kormoc:

the best part of all this, he never said if she was single or not

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kormoc:

$20 says if she's cute, she's taken

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iamlindoro:

poverty and social awkwardness likely skews your sense of what's acceptably cute, too

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kdubya:

the worst part of it is that he is actually talking to a girl on the internet

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kormoc:

I am the final decided on 'cuteness' for the purposes of the $20 payout

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kormoc:

in the event of the payout, I must be given contact information and take said cutie on a romantic night out before payment will be made

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kormoc:

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Corollary bet, she lives > 3000 miles from him

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** kormoc laughs **

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CaptObviousman:

oh come on now

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CaptObviousman:

don't get so down on him

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CaptObviousman:

every guy deserves his shot

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iamlindoro:

you clearly haven't seen him in action

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CaptObviousman:

I know people like the person you're describing, but I haven't been around enough to know him

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dustybin:

"every dog has its day"

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iamlindoro:

CaptObviousman, *nothing* I have said is untrue. He is a socially awkward manchild without a job living in his sister's home.

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kdubya:

he is telling people on the mythtv users irc channel about a girl he is talking to on the internet

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iamlindoro:

You know what chicks dig? Jobs. Futures.

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kdubya:

what more do you need to know

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CaptObviousman:

dustybin: you make it hard for me to stick up for you

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CaptObviousman:

with a rep like this

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iamlindoro:

The ability to string together subject, verb, and object to make coherent sentences

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dustybin:

lol

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directhex:

iamlindoro, chicks dig ram.

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dustybin:

ive never been called a manchild before LOL

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iamlindoro:

not to your face

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directhex:

iamlindoro, http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2000/20001222h.jpg

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kdubya:

i thinkt the term is childman

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kormoc:

ManBearPig

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directhex:

childinfant?

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directhex:

kormoc++

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iamlindoro:

They have porno dedicated to that kind of thing

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iamlindoro:

directhex, Et tu, directhex? To think I wouldn't know a PA reference?

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CaptObviousman:

half man, half bear, half pig!

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J-e-f-f-A:

damn it ... stipid power supply just fried on my Acer system I'm building as a frontend... and it's a 'brick' as it's one of those bookshelf units... (I bought it new, like a year ago, maybe it's unde warranty...) UGH!

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iamlindoro:

You gotta stop breaking so much stuff

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J-e-f-f-A:

(sorry)

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Yeah, if i keep doing this, you're going to be calling me "clever"

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J-e-f-f-A:

No screws on this power supply either, so I can't even open it up to investigate. Sounded like a bad electrolytic cap...

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J-e-f-f-A:

19v 7.11A ... not like I've got one of those laying around... DOH!

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fuxxy:

dustybin, BNC, all the way.

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kormoc:

bnc is too reliable

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fuxxy:

ok then.. powerline?

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kormoc:

Unreliable, slow, expensive, never used for that large of a network, sure!

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fuxxy:

sigh, I've got too much junk to buy, and not enough $$$

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fuxxy:

I need a gigabit switch, mATX LGA775 mobo, and a SFF PC.

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fuxxy:

Not to mention the displays for the living room (with associated wall wiring) and another display for bedroom.

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wagnerrp:

a mATX board, and a full SFF PC? not just the case

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fuxxy:

wagnerrp, mATX board is for my Antec Fusion v2 in the living room, SFF PC for the bedroom

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kdubya:

so you need what

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kdubya:

$500

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wagnerrp:

i seem to have lost a dvdrip out of my mythvideo path

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wagnerrp:

the file is gone

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kormoc:

check Lost+Found?

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fuxxy:

I'm thinking something like this for the bedroom http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856107032

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fuxxy:

kdubya, somewhere around there, yeah.

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kdubya:

fuxxy, that same barebone comes in am2+8200

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kdubya:

which works with hdmi audio and vdpau

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kdubya:

i almost bought it

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fuxxy:

kdubya, at the expense of heat? (am2 == AMD?)

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fuxxy:

I'm more of an Intel fan myself.

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kdubya:

yeah, am2 is the current amd socket

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kdubya:

suit yourself

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fuxxy:

kdubya, reviews on newegg don't give that particular barebones as a good HTPC

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kdubya:

yeah

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fuxxy:

Granted, only one review..

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kdubya:

and i doubt the one you linked to is any better

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kdubya:

heh

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kormoc:

fuxxy, I'm likely going to grab a appleTV or a MacMini in Jan/Feb (assuming the mini gets a nvidia card)

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kdubya:

if the mini gets an nvidia card then that would be the way to go

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kormoc:

the appleTv being only $230 is making it really appealing

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kormoc:

and given I'm only SD, it's nice for me

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kdubya:

pff

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kdubya:

SD

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fuxxy:

heh.

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fuxxy:

I'm HD all the way.. ESPECIALLY once I get my LCD.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ugh... apparently the "Sudden Death Syndrom" is common on these Acer L100's... yuck.

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fuxxy:

I like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813141015 for my new livingroom frontend mobo

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iamlindoro:

fuxxy, The ASUS 9300 (which I recently got and really really like) has same specs and better AV connectivity

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iamlindoro:

might be worth a look

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fuxxy:

let me check...

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iamlindoro:

$10 less too

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fuxxy:

ooh, yeah, I was looking at that one a week or so ago

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fuxxy:

I like that one also

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J-e-f-f-A:

This is the box that either the PS died or the MB... Acer L100 "Book PC" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883103074

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iamlindoro:

$10 less but you get a displayport adapter for monitor futureproofing... can't quite see from the pics whether the XFX has optical-- the white port *sorta* looks like it but I'm not 100%

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fuxxy:

Main thing I'm worried about (in this order) is onboard video for VDPAU, digital audio, and processor speed

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iamlindoro:

fuxxy, Either board should support all the VDPAU codecs-- speaking from experience on the ASUS, I'm sure the XFX is the same

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fuxxy:

"Displayport" on the asus 9300, that's the port under the HDMI?

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fuxxy:

I've never heard of "displayport"

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iamlindoro:

fuxxy, It's the DVI replacement, more or less, will be the standard connector on monitors in the future

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kormoc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#Adva . . . ared_to_HDMI

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fuxxy:

mmm.

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iamlindoro:

it's sort of like an HDMI port without patent encumbrances

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fuxxy:

the asus has eSATA also

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iamlindoro:

so does the XFX AFAICT

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iamlindoro:

But that white port is really vexing me, it does *not* look like regular optical

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iamlindoro:

and the newegg specs don't help

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kormoc:

the one next to the display port?

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J-e-f-f-A:

My wife just told me the wipers went 'wonky' on her Caravan. I said "What do you mean, what happened, what are they doing?"

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, on the XFX board next to HDMI

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J-e-f-f-A:

"They just went all weird.".. WTF????????

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iamlindoro:

ASUS definitely has optical, I'm typing on that one now :)

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, if you zoom in, it more looks like a button with a rounded arrow on it

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, yeah, was just thinking same, like a back power or something? Or BIOS reset?

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iamlindoro:

(would be a horrible spot for BIOS reset)

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fuxxy:

Of course optical isn't needed with proper HDMI

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iamlindoro:

"dum dee dum, let me plug in this USB OH MY GOD!"

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kormoc:

"Rear Panel Clear CMOS Button" http://www.xfxforce.com/en-us/products/mother . . . 209300.aspx#

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iamlindoro:

HA

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kormoc:

my lord

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iamlindoro:

what an awful awful design idea

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro, in leiu of a recent discovery, the XFX is no longer my board of choice :)

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iamlindoro:

fuxxy, And here I was trying to be all fair even though I own the ASUS :)

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fuxxy:

So now I need like $620 :)

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Circuitsoft:

Hello.

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fuxxy:

Circuitsoft, .olleH

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Circuitsoft:

Can anyone name graphical components used by MythTV?

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** kormoc blinks **

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fuxxy:

Circuitsoft, perhaps if you elaborated your question.

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Circuitsoft:

My setup isn't working (no visible text) so I want to test each of its dependencies individually.

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iamlindoro:

The monitor! The Display card!

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iamlindoro:

VGA cable!

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Circuitsoft:

Monitor and Display card work.

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Circuitsoft:

Software things.

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kormoc:

xv

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iamlindoro:

GL

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Circuitsoft:

ffplay works

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Circuitsoft:

glxgears works

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Circuitsoft:

qtconfig works

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iamlindoro:

well we don't use either of those :)

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fuxxy:

I have a gnome behind my LCD that draws pictures with a mirror

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iamlindoro:

Nice

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iamlindoro:

speedy littel guy

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iamlindoro:

When you see ghosting, do you feed him more crack?

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fuxxy:

Not quite 120Hz, but he does a good job

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Circuitsoft:

I am getting lots of BadMatch and RenderBadPicture errors.

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fuxxy:

sigh.

[02:32:30]

fuxxy:

My 3 year old son apparently "discovered" the presents from "Santa" in my wife and I's closet. He apparently got them out and played with them on the bed.

[02:32:50]

fuxxy:

So now my wife's stressed out, worried that my son will "lose the magic"

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, options are explain santa has to drop presents off early sometimes because there are so many kids, or just hope that age helps him forget

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iamlindoro:

(since I know at that age I didn't pay attention to who gave me what)

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jams:

or buy brand new presents

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fuxxy:

My son is extremely smart, I'm sure he'll remember on Christmas day that those were the presents he played with not 3 days before.

[02:34:32]

fuxxy:

jams, that's out of the question, we're overdraft as it is.

[02:34:53]

fuxxy:

I'm considering trading the "santa" presents that he played with for the ones at my parent's house.

[02:34:56]

kormoc:

fuxxy, Due to the weather, Santa dropped them off early this year

[02:35:00]

iamlindoro:

could ask Grandma/Grandpa/friends to mark theirs from Santa, and mark some of yours from the relatives

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro, that's a GOOD suggestion

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iamlindoro:

What can I say, I'm no longer as dumb as I was when I was a kid ;)

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Circuitsoft:

Good luck fuxxy.

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: what star sign are you? Aries?

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Circuitsoft:

I take it, you're not ready to reveal Santa yet?

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, IS that your guess?

[02:37:58]

dustybin:

aye

[02:38:07]

iamlindoro:

Virgo

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fuxxy:

Circuitsoft, uh, he's 3 years old. The santa facade can go on for at least 5 more years :)

[02:38:17]

Circuitsoft:

ok

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dustybin:

right, that makes sense, virgos like things to be tidy and perfect

[02:38:36]

** kormoc blinks **

[02:38:40]

dustybin:

you cannot stand mess

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Circuitsoft:

I only read horoscopes out of The Onion.

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kormoc:

dustybin, HAve you seen his code?!?! (just goshing :P)

[02:38:53]

iamlindoro:

HAr har

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dustybin:

:P

[02:39:26]

iamlindoro:

I think my code is pretty clean

[02:39:32]

iamlindoro:

*wrong* just as often as not, but clean :)

[02:39:44]

iamlindoro:

Well indented garbage

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iamlindoro:

speaking of which... <nudges Anduin>

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dustybin:

Aries make good coders, they have logical brains

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kormoc:

cause we only have 12 personalities on the planet....

[02:42:05]

dustybin:

12 traits

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kormoc:

and the rest are chopped liver eh?

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dustybin:

aye up

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iamlindoro:

Hey, which astrological sign lives at home with their siblings in spite of being over 30 and terrified of human interaction?

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kormoc:

I wonder if clever and dustybin share the same sign

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kormoc:

that would creep me out

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dustybin:

LOL

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iamlindoro:

but would bring a certain symmetry to things

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dustybin:

I'm Taurus

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Circuitsoft:

Let's see what the horoscopes actually Say:

[02:44:34]

Circuitsoft:

Aries – The stars forsee the start of a beautiful, fulfilling, and life-affirming romance in 2009. Now please, for the love of God, just leave the stars alone.

[02:45:11]

Circuitsoft:

Taurus – Surprise will be yours this year when April Showers bring May Gian Flying Skulls That Breathe Out Fire.

[02:45:17]

Circuitsoft:

*Giant

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Circuitsoft:

Anyone else?

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Circuitsoft:

Pisces (Me) – You'll be reunited with an old flame this August, leaving the other 40 percent of your chest covered in burns.

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dustybin:

this girl im chatting to said this:

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dustybin:

reality is a state of mind – if I log off now would I still exist?

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, where does she live?

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dustybin:

Whitechapel, East London

[02:52:42]

iamlindoro:

Sure do grow 'em weird over there in the UK

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** iamlindoro hands kormoc $20 **

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wagnerrp:

woo! found a copy of the rip on a backup disk!

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kormoc:

hehe

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fuxxy:

This is weird. When I watch a digital channel, whether or not it's HD, I get correct Left and Right channel audio out my spdif. When I tune an analog station, it always comes through the center channel

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wagnerrp:

thats because digital is ALWAYS AC3, so it should pass straight through with no transcoding

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wagnerrp:

while analog must be transcoded into AC3 before output

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wagnerrp:

and apparently you have it set up to output single channel

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fuxxy:

I didn't explicitly set it up that way, where would I change the configuration? (I'm assuming mythtv is doing the transcoding)

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wagnerrp:

or, it outputs to 5.1 and your sampling matrix dumps everything into the center channel

[03:05:53]

wagnerrp:

mythtv is just feeding audio to ALSA

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wagnerrp:

ALSA does the transcoding

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fuxxy:

hmm.

[03:06:51]

fuxxy:

I have mythtv set to passthrough audio to ALSA:iec958

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fuxxy:

from what I understand, there's no transcoding done at all...

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fuxxy:

I admit though, I don't understand much.

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jams:

iamlindoro- finished with the feature additions yet ;)

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has no capability to record to AC3

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wagnerrp:

at most, youre pulling mpeg2 audio off your capture card

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iamlindoro:

jams, I have a feeling you'll beat me to it ;)

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if SPDIF is capable of mpeg2

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iamlindoro:

It'

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fuxxy:

wagnerrp, what about the digital channels, wouldnt' those be mpeg2 also?

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iamlindoro:

er it'll go 2 channel PCM or Dolby Digital or DTS AFAIK

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wagnerrp:

ATSC and QAM feed 2.0 and 5.1 AC3

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wagnerrp:

only

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wagnerrp:

those are the only two options

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fuxxy:

okay, so it's pure AC3 passthru on the digital stations

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fuxxy:

and I'm using a PVR150 for my analog, so audio on that is probably mpeg2?

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wagnerrp:

mpeg2 video, mpeg2 audio

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wagnerrp:

unless you did something horribly wrong and are pulling off the framegrabber

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fuxxy:

I doubt I'm pulling off the framegrabber

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fuxxy:

I remember something about mpeg2 during mythtv-setup

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fuxxy:

So, either the mpeg2 stream is being transcoded (somehow) by alsa into center channel mono, or it's being passed to my reciever and the reciever is interpreting the stream as center channel.

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wagnerrp:

best setup would be ALSA is just passing the raw 2-channel LPCM

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wagnerrp:

or 2.0/5.1 AC3 for digital

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fuxxy:

and the reciever is just interpreting it badly?

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wagnerrp:

the receiver is probably working just fine

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wagnerrp:

my bet is that alsa is set up improperly

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fuxxy:

which is pretty much worst case scenario to me.

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wagnerrp:

ive never used digital output, so i cant help you with that

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fuxxy:

let's see if I can get some help from #alsa

[03:19:19]

fuxxy:

so at what point is the PCM audio created for my reciever to decode?

[03:19:27]

fuxxy:

it's a pretty dumb reciever

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iamlindoro:

I would start by playing with myth'

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iamlindoro:

s upmix settings

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro, that's in frontend config, right?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

Specifically, on the same audio settings page

[03:21:03]

iamlindoro:

Play with max audio channels and upmix type

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fuxxy:

I see..

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iamlindoro:

Try different combinations and see if anything changes

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fuxxy:

what's the default upmix setting?

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fuxxy:

It's currently set to "Active linear"

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iamlindoro:

also should check your recording profiles, btw, to make sure you're not set to mono there

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fuxxy:

I don't see a setting for mono/stereo in any recording profile..

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fuxxy:

I see Codec, sampling rate, type, bitrate, sap/bilingual, Volumen

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Circuitsoft:

Since I can't get Myth working yet, and I think it'll be a fair bit of work before I do, Can I watch TV with VLC?

[03:25:14]

Circuitsoft:

in the mean time?

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Circuitsoft:

I have an HVR-1800

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Circuitsoft:

VLC seems to expect audio in via alsa or oss

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wagnerrp:

well its not a fair bit of work on your part

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wagnerrp:

its a small bit of work for a dev to get it working

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Circuitsoft:

When I think it'll be coming through /dev/video0

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not support the analog tuner on that card

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Circuitsoft:

What about ATSC?

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wagnerrp:

digital should work just fine however

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Circuitsoft:

Would that be dvb?

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wagnerrp:

atsc != dvb, but in linux, atsc is run through the dvb subsystem

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wagnerrp:

tuners are in /dev/dvb/adaptorX

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Circuitsoft:

Are there any programs that'll do an air scan and set up a channels.conf for me?

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fuxxy:

Okay, "Max Audio Channels = 5.1" results in no sound at all on an analog channel. I also get this error in mythfrontend log: 2008-12–21 21:27:48.365 AudioOutput Error: Channels count (6) not available: Invalid argument

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fuxxy:

None of the Upmix settings have any effect, other than the max audio channels setting.

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Circuitsoft:

Any idea if the radio portion of the HVR-1800 is supported?

[03:45:51]

Circuitsoft:

I have two cards and four /dev/videoX devices.

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devicenull:

I have a bunch of videos that I'd like to batch-fetch metadata for.. is there a decent way of doing this?

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wagnerrp:

Circuitsoft: mythtv-setup has an ATSC scanner built in

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Circuitsoft:

Unfortunately, mythtv-setup is not functional at this time.

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wagnerrp:

its a bit buggy right now, and must be forced single core if you have a multiprocessor system

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wagnerrp:

processor affinity

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Circuitsoft:

Oh...

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wagnerrp:

not sure the command, bit its fairly simple to get using

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Circuitsoft:

first I've heard about that.

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Circuitsoft:

I've been struggling for a few weeks.

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devicenull:

oh

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devicenull:

found find_metadata.py :D

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Circuitsoft:

Would that processor affinity problem cause lack of text display?

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wagnerrp:

not that i know of, just the scan issue

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Circuitsoft:

Ok, well mythtv-setup just doesn't work right now, and I want to get the machine somewhat usable by the rest of the family while I continue to debug it.

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wagnerrp:

if mythtv-setup isnt displaying properly, chances are mythfrontend will not either

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Circuitsoft:

I know.

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Circuitsoft:

But, as I said, I've been struggling with that for a few weeks. I want something working in the meantime while I continue to debug it.

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Circuitsoft:

I'd be happy with VLC, MPlayer, ETc.

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Circuitsoft:

But, they all need channels.conf files.

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wagnerrp:

have you ever gotten the frontend or setup to work?

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Circuitsoft:

no.

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wagnerrp:

so your database should be empty of settings...

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Circuitsoft:

True.

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Circuitsoft:

Did a complete database blow away and restart Friday.

[03:57:15]

Circuitsoft:

Got further, but it's still not working.

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wagnerrp:

you installed from a package i assume?

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Circuitsoft:

Yes.

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Circuitsoft:

I tried compiling from source as well with the same results.

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Circuitsoft:

Gotta go – Dad wants help putting up the tree

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wagnerrp:

you might want to try one of the myth-only distros

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu/mythdora/knoppmyth

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wagnerrp:

you may also want to put run mythtv-setup verbosely

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dustybin:

does mythtv have a alarm clock feature?

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tank-man:

i think you have a problem with watching too much tv :)

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dustybin:

imagine how cool it would be, waking up to BBC NEWS channel in the morning

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kormoc:

so use cron + telnet interface

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dustybin:

oh yeah!!

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dustybin:

really i could do with a IR blaster to turn on TV and AMP

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dustybin:

or maybe i could do it via X10

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dustybin:

this would be the ultimate alarm clock

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dustybin:

at 5:30AM, my lamp, amp and TV all switched on via X10, and mythtv tunes into BBC NEWS, now thats cooool

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Circuitsoft:

mythbuntu was an absolute pain.

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Circuitsoft:

Gave up on it after a few days.

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Circuitsoft:

Couldn't get fglrx to work

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Circuitsoft:

And both OSS drivers didn't give me any output.

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Circuitsoft:

(And I have no interest in playing HD via the VESA driver)

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: most TVs and amps come with their own alarms

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wagnerrp:

eeeeeeeww..... fglrx

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wagnerrp:

got a cheap nvidia card you can throw in there?

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wagnerrp:

just for kicks

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wagnerrp:

any old geforce should do

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wagnerrp:

4-series or better anyway, i think thats when XV support started

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kormoc:

they should all support XV

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wagnerrp:

theres something about the 4x series

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wagnerrp:

i think 6x or better for current drivers

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wagnerrp:

4x or better for legacy

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wagnerrp:

and old old drivers for older cards

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wagnerrp:

or maybe the 4x were xvmc

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Circuitsoft:

Sorry, using onboard video.

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Circuitsoft:

From what I understand, fglrx is much better than it used to be.

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Circuitsoft:

And, I don't have any more available slots.

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Circuitsoft:

One is blocked out by capacitors on the motherboard, so one of my tuners is in the PCIe x16 slot.

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Circuitsoft:

In the past I've always used nvidia when I could

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Circuitsoft:

But this motherboard just offered a little too much integration to pass up.

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Circuitsoft:

Anyway, swapping out libGL and using VESA instead of fglrx made no difference for display.

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devicenull:

not sure if anyone is interested, but I modified fetch_metadata.py to rename files in a decent manner.. http://www.devicenull.org/code/index.php5?title=Python:TVCleanup

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Gumby:

anyone here use mythweb to stream their music. Mythweb is speaking with my DB but I get errors in my media player when trying to actually play the m3u. apache and myth logs arent telling me anything

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xris:

Gumby: open the m3u in a text editor and paste one of the URLs into your browser

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Gumby:

xris: that doesnt work either. should it give me more log info to work with?

[07:58:14]

Gumby:

and will this show up in mythbackends log anywhere? (assuming apache is even making the connection)

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Gumby:

[21/Dec/2008:23:57:43 -0800] "GET /mythweb/music/stream?i=3416 HTTP/1.1" 200 231 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.20) Gecko/20081217 Firefox/2.0.0.20"

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Gumby:

that is my apache log

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xris:

Gumby: what is the URL?

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Gumby:

http://ultimate.kicks-ass.net/mythweb/music/stream?i=4146

[08:02:58]

Gumby:

here is one

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xris:

what does the browser do when you paste that in?

[08:03:30]

Gumby:

quicktime opens within the browser

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xris:

try with wget

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xris:

it will actually show you the source

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xris:

along with an error message

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Gumby:

ok

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xris:

looks like maybe you have url_fopen disabled... or the music files are not on the same server that your mythweb is.

[08:06:12]

Gumby:

xris: the music files are not on my webserver, they are on my fileserver and are mounted via nfs both to the webserver and my mythbox

[08:08:31]

xris:

the problem is that mythmusic is a frontend-only app.. so the files can only be accessed from the frontend.

[08:08:40]

xris:

the error message from your server says that it's trying to grab: http://192.168.1.18:6544/Myth/GetMusic?Id=4146

[08:08:58]

xris:

and it's getting a 404 from that.

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Gumby:

ah, ok. odd. thats a slave backend box

[08:09:04]

Gumby:

right, that makes sense

[08:09:22]

xris:

that's where myth thinks the files are.

[08:09:29]

Gumby:

hrm

[08:09:51]

Gumby:

is there somewhere I can specify it differently?

[08:09:54]

xris:

the music portion of mythweb is a port of another open source app.. kormoc and I haven't really messed with it much, and there are obviously some problems.

[08:10:09]

xris:

it should at least be passing the 404 along to the browser

[08:10:50]

xris:

the other thing to do is to make sure that the pathname is identical between all machines.

[08:10:57]

xris:

the code does seem to be checking the local pathname first.

[08:12:07]

Gumby:

ok, I'll give that a shot. However, if I am not inside my network, it doesnt seem like it will work

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xris:

no.. the 192.168 stuff is what mythweb is getting, not what the browser is getting... mythweb is basically proxying the file

[08:13:12]

xris:

if it can find the file, it should work fine

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Gumby:

hrm, ok. I'll give it a shot

[08:15:35]

Gumby:

this will be easier if I am back in linux I think. thanks for the help. bbiab

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gbee:

ok, linux iplayer is available, who has written a mythtv plugin?

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directhex:

gbee, can't even install the thing, so pas moI!

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** gbee eithers **

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gbee:

but why isn't there a mythtv plugins yet? with python, bash and mplayer glue?

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directhex:

i will write glue, but only in c#

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directhex:

muahahahahaha

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directhex:

and downloaded files don't work in mplayer, due to drm

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stuarta:

morning all

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gbee:

well finally listings for ITV HD – so what's it showing in the next two weeks? Er, two films

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gbee:

have to assume the listsings aren't complete because I thought they were simulcasting their soaps at least

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gbee:

but it does mean I can schedule a recording and get a newer sample (which then won't work with vdpau)

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iamlindoro__:

\o/

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jduggan:

why wont it work with vdpau?

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dustybin:

what the hells this

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dustybin:

[322767.100245] mythfilldatabas[4745]: segfault at 59bfad28 ip b5c611b3 sp b484f7cc error 6

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** dustybin reboots **

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justinh:

afternoonish

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iamlindoro__:

jduggan: Many samples still vex VDPAU, including ITVHD at last check

[12:08:59]

jduggan:

:(

[12:09:00]

jduggan:

sucks

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iamlindoro__:

justinh: Happy four freakin' AM!

[12:09:14]

jduggan:

12.10!

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iamlindoro__:

<-- can't sleep

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justinh:

heh who wants to see soap stars' crows feet in HD anyway?

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iamlindoro__:

justinh: Not to worry, with ITVHD + VDPAU all you need to worry about seeing is your BIOS' POST

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justinh:

that bad? oof

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iamlindoro__:

When I last tried, yeah

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justinh:

I've heard about people trying to make linux more like Windows.. sounds like somebody's getting somewhere :-P

[12:12:10]

iamlindoro__:

Vee-dee-POW!

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** justinh prescribes some antibiotics for that **

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Dibblah:

justinh: I thought you were on your holidays? :)

[12:14:31]

justinh:

I'm off work, yes

[12:14:39]

justinh:

I went away for the weekend, true

[12:15:00]

justinh:

so bored I can't stay away from IRC

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Dibblah:

Is there anything actually wrong with the changes in that blootube ticket?

[12:15:11]

Dibblah:

If there are, I'll close it.

[12:15:19]

justinh:

dunno

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Dibblah:

If not, I'll just leave it hanging around like a bad smell :)

[12:16:02]

Dibblah:

I know, you don't want to maintain the themes.

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justinh:

if one is wrong, all the others will be wrong. bloody millstones!

[12:16:20]

Dibblah:

:(

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justinh:

though not necessarily

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Dibblah:

I don't see what I can do to help out.

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justinh:

I'll take a look when I can, I suppose

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stuarta:

dustybin: it's a segfault

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Dibblah:

stuarta: Badda boom.

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** stuarta wonders why you would reboot after a segfault **

[12:19:07]

stuarta:

he did ask a stooopid question

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Dibblah:

I looked last night at the possibility for me setting milestones.

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iamlindoro__:

stuarta: Because it fixes everything, right???

[12:19:17]

Dibblah:

And... It's not going to happen.

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stuarta:

meh, reboots are for hardware upgrades and new kernels

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justinh:

iamlindoro – not if you have a PVR card, according to ML folklore

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iamlindoro__:

Nothin' a good reboot can't fix. Install a new package? Reboot!

[12:19:56]

iamlindoro__:

put the cat out? Reboot!

[12:19:57]

Dibblah:

Basically, because I have no possibility to estimate how busy the dev with commit privs is.

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justinh:

apparently registers can hold illegal values for anything up to one minute!

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stuarta:

eh?

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stuarta:

logically if you don't put a value into a register it is automatically invalid

[12:20:51]

Dibblah:

... So things will be done when they're done. :(

[12:20:59]

justinh:

yeah.. some people on the ML were saying that ages ago.. pvr150 & pvr500 audio problems needed a proper cold boot to fix (!)

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iamlindoro__:

justinh: Sounds like the punchline to this joke is "turn off your computer, pull the power cable, remove the BIOS battery, get an old priest and a young priest...

[12:21:12]

justinh:

never swallowed it myself

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jduggan:

iamlindoro__: and an alter boy?

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jduggan:

;o

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stuarta:

justinh: same if you crash the GPU while testing vdpau

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iamlindoro__:

jduggan: ba dum-tisshhhhhhhhh

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justinh:

ah ffs I've been taken off the NHS list at my dentists

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iamlindoro__:

I get to go in to my completely empty work in three hours

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iamlindoro__:

Where the only person present will be my boss

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jduggan:

iamlindoro__: :P

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stuarta:

why bother

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iamlindoro__:

This is what I get for being out of vacation days :(

[12:23:56]

stuarta:

at least you have the option

[12:24:06]

** stuarta has to work over christmas regardless **

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stuarta:

tho not the holiday days

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justinh:

off work til 2nd Jan now

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stuarta:

:(

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iamlindoro__:

I'm going to try to sneak out early the work days of the next few weeks

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stuarta:

i need to break something

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justinh:

and probably going to be too busy to do anything I want to do

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iamlindoro__:

have lots of packages to intercept at home

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justinh:

well, time to slave over a hot mixing desk again. damn promises people make for me on my behalf.. grrr

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stuarta:

enjoy

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neztiti:

guys how i can stop mythtv backend starting with boot loading

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stuarta:

what distro are you using?

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neztiti:

ubuntu 8.10

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jduggan:

chmod -x /etc/init.d/mythbackend ;P

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jduggan:

(or wotever its init file is called)

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jduggan:

or remove the symlink from the rc2.d dir

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neztiti:

chmod: cannot access `/etc/init.d/mythbackend': No such file or directory

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jduggan:

myth<tab> ?

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neztiti:

ok

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stuarta:

it's the symlinks in the rc?.d that need removing

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stuarta:

there's even a command to do it

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stuarta:

not that i know wtf it is

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jduggan:

removing the symlink is the better approach

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stuarta:

update-rc.d

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gbee:

ubuntu doesn't have it's own version of drakxservices?

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stuarta:

update-rc.d

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jduggan:

i only -x the init.d file if i cant be arsed to note the full link src/dest

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jduggan:

=]

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** stuarta beats jduggan with a lazy trout **

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Gumby:

neztiti: install rcconf and then sudo rcconf

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sphery:

s/b c

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sphery:

oops

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neztiti:

Gumby: فاشىن ع شىي فاثى؟؟؟

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neztiti:

and then???

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Gumby:

um....yeah

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neztiti:

sorry 4 the arabic lang

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Gumby:

neztiti: its pretty self explainitory after tht

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Gumby:

scroll down to mythbackend and uncheck it then save

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stuarta:

using a gui for rc maintainence????? egads.....

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Gumby:

its a curses gui

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Gumby:

sorta half way there

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neztiti:

Gumby: i did thank u man :-*

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neztiti:

i will reboot

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Gumby:

not necessary

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Gumby:

this isnt windows

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** stuarta congratulates Gumby **

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stuarta:

reboots are for hardware upgrades and new kernels

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Gumby:

neztiti: and btw, both stuarta and jduggan methods would work just fine as well

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stuarta:

they've been working on fixing the 2nd one

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gbee:

and kernels, the brave doing hardware upgrades without powering off

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Gumby:

stuarta: and for when my forcedeth driver decides to explode. hehe

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gbee:

s/and/only/

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stuarta:

sadly most of us can't afford server class hardware that's hot pluggable

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gbee:

:p

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stuarta:

Gumby: crashing the GPU is another reason

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jamesd:

is server hardware that is not hotpluggable considered "server class" i think not.

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** Gumby hot swaps motherboards **

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jamesd:

real servers don't have mother boards, but io boards and cpu boards...

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gbee:

heh, MS have extended the life of XP

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J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: That's probably good, since I don't ever intend to intall Vista....

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gbee:

it's a humilitation for them, that's for sure

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jamesd:

http://www.sun.com/servers/highend/m9000/ <-- real server

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gbee:

an admission that that people would still rather buy XP than Vista

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stuarta:

jamesd: that's a room heater :-p

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Gumby:

MS decided not to go out of beta stage with a 32bit Exchange 2007, yet they have both 32 and 64 bit server 2008. And server 2008 32 bit is not compatible with exchange 2003. Does that make sense to anyone?

[14:59:42]

stuarta:

they have never made sense

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J-e-f-f-A:

jamesd: nah – 'real' server: http://www.hp.com/go/nonstop <- What I've worked on for nearly 20 years... ;-)

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neztiti2:

Gumby : thank u m8 done

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shadn__:

MS is making some strange moves lately

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shadn__:

hopefully they don't get into yahoo

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shadn__:

Yahoo is run poorly but it's much more valuable than MS is trying to aquire it for

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stuarta:

just their own search technology is rubbish

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shadn__:

MS wants the only thing that is valuable in Yahoo the search engine

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shadn__:

they don't even care about the search tech

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shadn__:

they just want the advertising revenue

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justinh1:

people still use yahoo? :-O

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justinh1:

heh. friendfaceOSD.pl sounds like a hoot

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kolby:

I'm recording from VCR

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kolby:

The problem with this, is that it only records for 30 minutes.

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kolby:

How can I set it to record longer?

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J-e-f-f-A:

kolby: Myth isn't designed to do that, so the only workaround is to setup a manual recording schedule for however long you need it to be...

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gbee:

or insert false guide data

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mchou:

kolby: when you say "record from vcr," do you mean recording from a tape or the vcr tuner?

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mchou:

kolby: like recording thru the vcr's tuner (via svideo or whatever)

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kolby:

mchou, I'm recording using a vcr plugged in to the computer's tv tuner

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kolby:

(component cables)

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mchou:

kolby: yeas, I realize that

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kolby:

okay.

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kolby:

well, How do I make MythTV record for a set duration of time?

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mchou:

kolby: but are you recording from vcr tape or VCR tuner?

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mchou:

kolby: please be specific

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kolby:

...I suppose I don't understand the question.

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mchou:

sigh

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kolby:

tape?

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mchou:

vcr tape. VHS

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kolby:

VHS yes

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

for that you set a manaual recording schedules like J-e-f-f-A said

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kolby:

okay... I hit the play button and record it to file via MythTV

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mchou:

if you're recording from the VCR's TUNER you won't need to mess with that

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kolby:

how do I set the VCR tuner?

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mchou:

kolby: what specifically do you mean?

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kolby:

or... maybe I need to set the manual recording schedule like you said.

[16:36:20]

kolby:

I need to be able to tell it to record and walk away for 2 hours with the movie recorded at the end.

[16:36:35]

kolby:

right now, it records for 30 minutes and stops

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kolby:

I'll be back later.

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mchou:

like everyone said earlier, set up a manual recording schedule

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kolby:

I'll look into that.

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kolby:

thank you.

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Dibblah:

But remember – Myth isn't really designed for this.

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Dibblah:

Unfortunately, I haven't seen anything that really is :(

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mchou:

Dibblah: what's wrong with cron?

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mchou:

Dibblah: it works

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Dibblah:

cron is OK as far as it goes.

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mchou:

you don't need anything "designed" for this this

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mchou:

use whatever tools work

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Dibblah:

I think you probably need a few lines of Perl and some Xinefu to get a full Myth setup with it, though :)

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mchou:

Dibblah: bullshit

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J-e-f-f-A:

He could probably start the recording, then extend the end time by 90 minutes....

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Dibblah:

mchou: Ugh. Okay. I'll explain myself :)

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Dibblah:

mchou: I was referring to the guy a couple of years ago that was going to rewrite Myth...

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Dibblah:

In Perl.

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sid3windr:

in perl

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sid3windr:

yeah.

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mchou:

Dibblah: tell cron to kill 'cat /dev/videoX > somefile.mpg' in 2 hrs

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J-e-f-f-A:

^^^ Ha! that would have been really efficient, eh? ;-)

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mchou:

Dibblah: dont even need perl for that

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Dibblah:

Strangely enough, he went quiet after a while. Probably because he got it all working and is happy enough with it. Or maybe not ;)

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sid3windr:

mchou: I think "at" is more suitable then ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Maybe he's the one behind "Linux Media Center" ??? ;-)

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mchou:

sid3windr: that works too. Point is no myth or perl needed

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sid3windr:

:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

anyone familiar with udev rules? I replaced a parallel port LCD with a Crystalfontz USB lcd, and now it plays filp-flop with /dev/ttyUSB0 /dev/ttyUSB1 with my USB serial port used for my X10 controller...

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J-e-f-f-A:

I know I need to add a udev rule, but I'm not clear as to which file to add it to...

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J-e-f-f-A:

(er, a couple of rules that is... want the lcd at /dev/lcd and the x10 usb at /dev/x10 )

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: Find where the other tty rules are written, and insert it right afterwards

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gbee:

can't wait for someone to put a nice gui on udev

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: ie, in the udev dir, grep -ir tty *

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J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: Yeah, I was wondering if there was one...

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iamlindoro_:

and put it in the same file

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gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: I've not seen one yet, but that doesn't mean it isn't out there

[16:47:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: I found some rules in "50-udev-default.rules", but a comment in the top of the file says "do not edit this file, it will be overwritten on update" ...

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gbee:

ugh, brats caroling

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: You can pretty safely edit it, don't worry about it

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: Might need to recreate the rule if something ever does, so keep notes, but it's fairly unlikely

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sid3windr:

I'd not edit it

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sid3windr:

just add another, 51-my-own

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sid3windr:

will take precedence over the other, afaik

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mchou:

yep, sid3windr is correct

[16:48:49]

** sid3windr once wrote some udev rules for different usb temp sensors **

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sid3windr:

they also had ttyUSBx, and I changed them to /dev/temperature/rack1 etc

[16:49:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: ^^ Ah, that's what I was looking for. Thanks guys! ;-)

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mchou:

no need to use an existing file

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sid3windr:

using udev, differentiating on serial number

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sid3windr:

if you want I can look up the rules

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J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: Thanks, I think I've got enough to go on now. ;-) iamlindoro_ thanks too! ;-)

[16:51:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

the only issue with this CrystalFontz 634 now is that it causes the LCDd daemon to hang on startup... Seems to bee a known issue, except to the LCDd developers who say they still need proof that it happens... ugh...

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J-e-f-f-A:

... but I only paid like $20 for it on eBay, so I'm not going to complain much... ;-)

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sid3windr:

mm, sounds cheap

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J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: Yeah, it's something like $65 retail...

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** J-e-f-f-A studies udev rules more... ;-) **

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sid3windr:

:)

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: that $20 you paid on fleabay include shipping?

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J-e-f-f-A:

YES! ;-) From Canada... the guy paid like $16 shipping... I made off like a Bandit...

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: wow

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: actual shipping cost was more expensive than the item cost?

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sid3windr:

:]

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J-e-f-f-A:

Actually, it was <$20... $0.50 C for the LCD, $15.00 C shipping... ;-)

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jams:

iamlindoro_ made the change to not reload every time. Not the cleanest approach but it works. Figured since I was already mucking around with the settings a new field could be introduced to control when it reloads the FE.

[17:04:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I was thinking "There's no way this guy is going to let this go for this price, unless it doesn't work..."... but then I won it for C $0.50 ... And not only does it work, it was brand-new. I just had to make up a USB cable for it.

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: I must be out of it. LCDs can be had these days for <$1? That's pretty good!

[17:05:33]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: I need pictures :)

[17:05:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: not typically... ;-) This one retails for something like $65. an Hitachi HD44780 display can be had for just a few bucks though nowadays...

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Here's the pic from ebay... after I'm done playing with udev I'll get you some other pics... ;-) http://i8.ebayimg.com/03/i/001/1b/e6/aea4_1.JPG

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: It's a huge 20x4 display – the display area is about 3.75" wide by 1.5" high...

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gbee:

sounds like the HD44780 I bought 3/4 years ago

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sid3windr:

:)

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sid3windr:

J-e-f-f-A: need assistance ? :P

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gbee:

not using it anymore since the new case didn't have a place for it

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J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: Humm... actually pretty simple I guess.. Looks like I just add the single line to a new file, right? ;-)

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sid3windr:

yup

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J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: I was thinking I might need all sorts of extra info in the file. Pretty simple I guess... Maybe I'll even write a simple wiki page for it... ;-)

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sid3windr:

:)

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iamlindoro_:

jams: Nice! Works pretty well from what I can tell, only other stuff I would have changed would have been friendlier language/capitalization

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iamlindoro_:

jams: I think it's a great addition

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sid3windr:

save file, unplug, replug, ls ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: Yeah, just creating the rule now... And while I'm at it, I'll create ones for my PVR-500 and PVR-250 also...

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J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: How early do these rules get executed? Could I also kick off the starting of LCDd with the rule, earlier in the boot sequence?

[17:22:40]

sid3windr:

I think they get executed when the device is plugged in

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sid3windr:

so, basically, when your usb controller module is loaded

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Nice argument re: ccache

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dustybin:

My xorg.conf is nice and clean, ive tried using opengl and qt, but still, every now and again, the main menu on the frontend blanks out, all im left with is the background, i can still blindly navigate with my remote, but there is no menu text, just blank

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aBs0lut30:

got a strange issue, I am trying to run the configure script from svn and it keeps throwing an error about not having freetype installed, but it is installed along with the dev package, what could be causing that??

[17:28:52]

sid3windr:

did you install it after the first error? or was it installed all along

[17:29:12]

fpr02:

Hi all, my question is about the Mythbuntu 0.21-fixes Intrepid repository

[17:29:34]

fpr02:

is looks the the uk mirror has up to date packages whilst the US one has stopped updating

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fpr02:

*it looks

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iamlindoro_:

fpr02: #ubuntu-mythtv

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fpr02:

oops sorry

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fpr02:

thank you

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iamlindoro_:

np

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: thx... Saw him mention it in another thread and figured it wasn't worth saying anything as he had worked around his issue, but when he mentioned it in another thread, I didn't want anyone to think that you can't use ccache with Myth.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Especially as he didn't seem to know what ccache was/was for

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sphery:

(confusing with 2 differing uses of another--first = "a different", second = "again, in this thread,"

[17:32:14]

sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

though for most people (those who aren't compiling/recompiling the same program over and over), ccache is really unnecessary/not helpful

[17:33:00]

sphery:

so, he probably really doesn't need to know what it's for :)

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sphery:

I only enable ccache when I'm working on a project that I'm compiling/recompiling frequently

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iamlindoro_:

I pretty much just leave it on-- it's only very infrequently caused me problems

[17:34:04]

sphery:

(I hate to have ccache enabled--and rolling useful stuff off the cache--for "one-off" compiles :)

[17:34:45]

iamlindoro_:

There's only a couple of projects that I compile with great requency so I don't need to worry too much AFAIK

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sphery:

Yeah, I have never had a problem due to ccache. It was always due to something else. It's actually amazing how good ccache is at determining whether the compiler output would be identical for certain code.

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sphery:

So, my 4-yr-old laptop is failing, and I was looking to replace it. The OEM I'm planning to order from has a deal this week for a "free upgrade to Blu-Ray/DVD ROM," so the laptop is $150 more expensive than it was last week. Guess I wait to order.

[17:38:06]

ericrost:

Hey all, I have an install of mythbuntu 8.04 that is failing immediately when trying to transcode a dvd but saving as iso quality doesn't fail

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meshe:

great deal :S

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ericrost:

where can i look to start troubleshooting?

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sid3windr:

heh sphery

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sid3windr:

they added the price of the bluray to the regular laptop and then give you a free upgrade? :P

[17:38:51]

sid3windr:

I'd rather not wait but go buy somewhere else then.

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sphery:

ericrost: I think there have been problems(/bugs) with mtd ripping at anything other than "Perfect" quality (=ISO works)

[17:39:08]

ericrost:

ahh

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Or that the temp directory does not exist/is not writeable, more likely

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sphery:

and, really, ISO is the way to go, IMHO. HDD's are cheap. :)

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ericrost:

true nuff

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ericrost:

thx!

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: that may well be it... I've just heard a lot of people saying only ISO works for them, and hadn't seen a solution.

[17:40:08]

sphery:

ericrost: try checking your specified temp directory

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iamlindoro_:

ericrost: When you do anything but an ISO copy (which goes straight to the MythVideo dir) there's an intermediary dir

[17:40:30]

iamlindoro_:

if that dir doesn't exist and you don't have rw permissions to it, you will see what you are seeing

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sphery:

I wonder why it doesn't use the MV directory for the temp files... My systems have /tmp on a partition that's typically /much/ smaller than a DVD.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: But the default DB value for the rip temp dir is somewhere outside of /tmp, no?

[17:43:01]

iamlindoro_:

Neato, mythtv-vid is in!

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: guess so... /var/lib/mythdvd/temp --which is worse (IMHO) than /tmp (as it's /var/lib)

[17:43:47]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: There you go showing me up by actually *looking* ;)

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: I'd say that the only dir we can reasonably assume should has space is the eventual destination for the rip...

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I agree

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sphery:

not a problem for me, though, as I don't rip DVD's in MythVideo

[17:44:57]

iamlindoro_:

Simple enough to fix

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meshe:

/dev/mapper/media_volume-media_lvolume on /var/lib/mythtv type ext3 (rw)

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sphery:

and if I did, I would /never/ transcode them

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meshe:

yes, bad place

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meshe:

it would miss my datastore

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sphery:

I guess one could argue that it may be inefficient to use MV dirs if someone has a RAID setup or NFS-mounted storage or ...

[17:46:06]

sphery:

So, whatever...

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Pft, it's *one* extra file written

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meshe:

if the temp file was sent to the same folder as the final file is going you'd know you were hitting the same partition

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iamlindoro_:

And a couple gigs, boo hoo

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sphery:

Yeah, I'm sure I changed my temp dir to one in my "large partitions", and--even if I ripped DVD's with MythDVD--I wouldn't worry about the NFS inefficiency (if applicable on my config, and I don't use RAID for Myth data), but I can imagine people whining on the -users list until the default got changed to /var/lib/mythdvd/temp so it was "right"

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iamlindoro_:

I hate work

[18:07:07]

iamlindoro_:

Nobody is here, let me GO

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aBs0lut30:

iamlindoro_: could be worse, I have been here for the past 6 months with nothing to do....

[18:08:05]

mchou:

aBs0lut30: lol. they havent laid you off yet?

[18:08:20]

iamlindoro_:

aBs0lut30: HAve been similar for a year so-- mostly manufacture stuff to do but it usually requires having other human beings besides the boss present

[18:08:29]

kormoc:

My work envirnment is a biohazard! I should sue! Except I'm working from home....

[18:08:36]

aBs0lut30:

nope, they are actually giving me a bonus to stay and do nothing

[18:08:40]

iamlindoro_:

kormoc: From Clever's home?

[18:08:44]

** kormoc laughs **

[18:08:51]

kormoc:

Nah, I'm 'snowed' in

[18:09:05]

kormoc:

there's 6" of snow out there and Seattle shut down for the past few days

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** iamlindoro_ looks out the window **

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iamlindoro_:

I see a cloud

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kormoc:

so I'm doing the whole, 'Ooh! I'm scared to go out there! I'm working from home!'

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iamlindoro_:

It looks like a nice one

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sid3windr:

=)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Estimates on how long it will be until se see a -users post about how "broken" trunk is because they didn't catch the mythtv-vid merge? (because of never having actually read a single message on -commits?)

[18:12:43]

iamlindoro_:

I give it six hours

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aBs0lut30:

ok, this is strange, am trying to run the configure on the svn code, and it keeps telling me that I need freetype, the pkg_config_path has the correct path, ld.so.conf has the path where its installed and it just keeps throwing that same error

[18:13:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: seems there is a udev rules page on the wiki, named "Device Filenames and udev" – not sure why a search for "udev rules" didn't find it – oh, actually it did, but it's hit #12 in the search... somewhere....

[18:13:25]

kormoc:

not only do they not read the message, but they also have their -trunk as their 'mission critical' box

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sid3windr:

=)

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: "Please help! WAF is really suffering!"

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laga:

iamlindoro_: when will mythtv-vid be merged?

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kormoc:

iamlindoro_, yeah, those really chop my socks

[18:14:02]

iamlindoro_:

laga: Let's see, in about negative three hours

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J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: ps: Got the rules created, but for some reason LCDd and heyu aren't happy yet... ugh...

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: lol... You're being optimistic today. And, of course, when the guy posts, he'll be using trunk r19418.

[18:15:17]

sphery:

(i.e. without the [19419] fix)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: HAHAH, commit humor

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kormoc:

I love the guys using -trunk r20081102

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laga:

oooooooh, it got merged

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sphery:

kormoc: yeah, "MythTV version: 0.22-3–20081220"

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sphery:

and no mention of distro, even, of course

[18:16:38]

iamlindoro_:

"Hi guys, I'm using version .22 but EVERYTHING seems broken. I feel like I might have to go back to MCE if you don

[18:16:41]

iamlindoro_:

't help me..."

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: bye, then :)

[18:16:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

^^ or "LMC" ... ;-)

[18:16:58]

shep-home:

Hey all, every night, mythfilldatabase segfaults (as reported by dmesg) – is this something I should worry about?

[18:17:14]

sphery:

shep-home: Qt 3.3.8?

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kormoc:

shep-home, So I've been getting the same for months and given my data populates, I don't worry bout it

[18:17:43]

sphery:

kormoc: you're trunk, right?

[18:17:48]

kormoc:

sphery, Aye

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shep-home:

libQtCore.so.4.3.3

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sphery:

Oh, so you're trunk, too

[18:18:02]

shep-home:

svn 19381

[18:18:12]

iamlindoro_:

Sounds like a MS commercial

[18:18:15]

shep-home:

And yes, the data does seem to populate

[18:18:17]

sphery:

shep-home: you should worry about it and find the bug and fix it and post a patch, then

[18:18:20]

iamlindoro_:

"I'm trunk. *I'M* trunk"

[18:18:35]

shep-home:

I'm spartacus?

[18:18:40]

iamlindoro_:

"And I'm tired of people sayaing everyone shouldn't run me and update me every day without reading svn logs"

[18:18:41]

sphery:

I'm -fixes and I /never/ get mfdb segfaults

[18:18:43]

sphery:

:)

[18:19:28]

shep-home:

iamlindoro: i know, but I've been getting it for a while (months?), so I figure its time to do somethign about it

[18:19:34]

kormoc:

sphery, it seems to happen bout twice a week and only when run by mythbackend, I've ran it CLI mode for 25ish runs at a time, no problems

[18:19:43]

iamlindoro_:

shep-home: Was teasing sphery, not you :)

[18:19:56]

shep-home:

yeah same here (I didn't try *that* many times though)

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iamlindoro_:

shep-home: ANyway, it should still fill your listings, so it's definitely non-critical

[18:20:15]

sphery:

kormoc: I'm guessing (blindly) that it's actually the QString passing thing that Daniel's been working on.

[18:20:34]

shep-home:

Should I compile mfdb as debug and hope for a corefile?

[18:20:41]

iamlindoro_:

Pew pew, mythtv-vid kills my avidemux export patch

[18:20:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: udev rule question – I thought it created both devices, ie "/dev/ttyUSB0" and "/dev/lcd" – apparently not unless I use a symlink for "/dev/lcd", eh?

[18:20:47]

sphery:

he just fixed a mess of them in tv playback, but there are a few other places...

[18:20:53]

iamlindoro_:

shep-home: You can compile as debug and submit a backtrace

[18:21:09]

sid3windr:

yeah, you have to tell it to

[18:21:24]

sid3windr:

it creates one device node and you can symlink to it

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** sid3windr just renames the entire thing to what he wants **

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kormoc:

sphery, sounds good, I'll ignore it for a few more months then :)

[18:21:41]

iamlindoro_:

shep-home: There's a fairly high liklihood a bug already exists for it though

[18:21:51]

sphery:

shep-home: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 (make sure if you're compiling then creating a package that you do it properly--a bunch of people have been doing that and creating the package using "defaults" so that the package-maker strips out the debug symbols)

[18:22:42]

shep-home:

sphery: no package, just a make all install – kind of dumb, but thats what I did to start with ;-)

[18:23:11]

shep-home:

iamlindoro: I did a cursory search, but didnt see anythign obvious

[18:23:11]

sphery:

well, that means you don't have to learn the secrets of the packager guru's just to get a valid debug install :)

[18:23:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: Yeah, tried that, troubleshooting why LCDd isn't happy with that, even after changing the config to "Device=/dev/lcd"...

[18:23:46]

shep-home:

sure, but there will be hell to pay if I ever want to clean it up

[18:24:11]

sphery:

there was discussion of it on the lists (don't remember which, but I'm thinking -users--yes, amazing that it was on the right list (since they didn't discuss code/changes), but I think that was the case)

[18:24:29]

iamlindoro_:

Hooray, patch fixed

[18:24:57]

sphery:

and, since they didn't discuss code/changes, there's also no solution (the guy went with, "I'll just cron it and not use the grabber-suggested next-run time"))

[18:24:59]

iamlindoro_:

looks like you don't need to pass nuppelvideoplayer pginfo any more

[18:25:20]

sphery:

because of the -vid merge?

[18:25:29]

iamlindoro_:

yeah

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sphery:

cool

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shep-home:

sphery: im not familiar enough with the mythtv build structure-- can I jsut build mfdb as debug, instead of having all of myth in debug?

[18:26:51]

iamlindoro_:

shep-home: Not easily, but it really doesn't slow you down much at all

[18:27:07]

sphery:

mfdb uses a lot of library code... I'd guess that by the time you figured out exactly which parts of myth need the debug symbols, you'd have wasted far more of /your/ time than you would have spent of the CPU's time just recompiling everything as debug

[18:27:38]

sphery:

and--at least to me--CPU time is /far/ less valuable than /my/ time

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J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: Humm... /dev/lcd exists, but for some reason it's still not working for the LCD. LCDd says "CFontz: open(/dev/lcd) failed (No such device or address)" ... humm.....

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sid3windr:

that's odd

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sid3windr:

does it have the same major/minor than the usb0 that used to work?

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J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: one odd thing, in the LS it shows as Yellow-on-black text.

[18:29:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: good question – checking...

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shep-home:

sphery: same here, but I

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shep-home:

'd be bummed if myth were to slow to record stuff ;-)

[18:33:57]

shep-home:

too*

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clever:

i run a debug build of mythbackend on a 400mhz with allmost no trouble

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Dibblah:

I would recommend a profile build instead.

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clever:

ahh yes forgot about that one

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clever:

all the symbols but with all the optimizations too

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shep-home:

hopefully if a 400mhz can run it, then mine can

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shep-home:

;-)

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jphastings:

Anybody have any ideas about creating a dummy capture card, or a backend plugin, that could use webstreams as sources (rather than just capture cards?)

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iamlindoro_:

I wouldn't call anything clever does with MythTV exactly "running"

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shep-home:

and no confusing optimized insturctions

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iamlindoro_:

jphastings: Myth already has an IPTV recorder for IPTV streams. For web stuff, myth may or may not get a plugin for that content sometime in the medium-term

[18:37:43]

iamlindoro_:

But it's a frontnd plugin, not backend

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jphastings:

_iamlindoro Cheers! I'll be sure to check up more on that, what kind of IPTV streams was it created for?

[18:39:30]

iamlindoro_:

jphastings: "real" iptv, ie not internet stuff, but broadcast over a private provider network

[18:40:19]

iamlindoro_:

There are also some funky ways of turning stuff that VLC can stream into multicast IPTV on your network and tuning it with VLC as the intermediary

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jphastings:

iamlindoro_: ahh, thats a shame! Could that kind of service not be emulated?

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jphastings:

thats what I was hoping for!

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iamlindoro_:

jphastings: You'd need to be a lot more specific about what it is you're trying to play to give an answer

[18:41:26]

iamlindoro_:

Hulu, no. mms streams, yes

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jphastings:

okay, well ideally *any* webstream, but at the moment, any of the stations available on LiveStation (I think they're RTP streams) or tvcatchup – thats all RTMP streams

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iamlindoro_:

*If* I understand the VLC functionality properly, it should be able to do that with those streaps

[18:42:29]

iamlindoro_:

streams

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jphastings:

ie. free streams, (not BBC iPlayer/Hulu type stuff, which I'm sure would be much more complex)

[18:43:03]

iamlindoro_:

More or less you create a playlist of your "channels" in VLC and use their multicast functionality, then subscribe to the multicasts in myth's IPTV recorder

[18:43:20]

iamlindoro_:

There's some handwaving involved in all of that that I personally have not done, but it's doable

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jphastings:

excellent – tho I suppose VLC would constantly be downloading the streams, even if they weren't in use

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jphastings:

I'm a physicist – handwaving is my main form of communication! Sounds pretty doable!

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sid3windr:

yup

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iamlindoro_:

jphastings: I don't know the answer, it would surprise me if there wasn't some way to stop downloads if there's nobody joined to the multicast

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jphastings:

that'd be a VLC thing tho, not mythtv right? Shame there isn't some way to have streams addable in Mythtv itself. that would be feasible right? tho I imagine a fairly extensive backend plugin would be needed

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iamlindoro_:

jphastings: Would need a probably-substantial overhaul of the IPTV recorder

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shadn__:

iamlindoro_: what is the status of multicasting and the hdhomerun? Is anybody trying to make this happen?

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iamlindoro_:

shadn__: Sure you don't mean *multirec*

[18:46:52]

iamlindoro_:

?

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shadn__:

yes

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iamlindoro_:

No status at this time, nobody that I am aware of working on it

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shadn__:

IC

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jphastings:

iamlindoro, thanks for your help, I'll see if I can get anything working!

[18:47:34]

iamlindoro_:

Not that there isn't interest, just nobody with the combination of hardware, interest, skills, and time ATM

[18:47:38]

iamlindoro_:

jphastings: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IPTV

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jphastings:

ta

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /192587.html

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iamlindoro_:

and that

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iamlindoro_:

may give you something to start from

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iamlindoro_:

you are welcome

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jphastings:

excellent, cheers

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sphery:

shep-home: yeah, a profile build generally works well enough for backtraces and allows optimizations that debug disables, so it's a better option

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sphery:

but, you can always get the backtrace and then re-install the "release" build

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dustybin:

anybody know of any software what is capable of removing menu + adverts + bonus rubbish from a dvd, so all whats left is the main film?

[19:06:56]

sid3windr:

rm

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dustybin:

rm?

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** dustybin opens up a .iso **

[19:07:34]

iamlindoro_:

dustybin: DVD structure is not hard

[19:07:49]

iamlindoro_:

The VTS set with all the 1 GB files is the main movie

[19:08:02]

iamlindoro_:

everything else is menus and extras

[19:08:18]

iamlindoro_:

cat the main movie together sequentially, run a stream copy on the resulting file to fix seeking, done.

[19:08:56]

dustybin:

ive mounted the .iso, inside that is a dir called 'VIDEO_TS'

[19:09:11]

iamlindoro_:

Yes. So?

[19:09:27]

iamlindoro_:

What do your powers of deduction tell you is inside the folder?

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dustybin:

eeek it looks confusing

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sid3windr:

lol

[19:09:50]

dustybin:

lots of parts

[19:10:10]

dustybin:

.VOB + .IFO + .BUP

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iamlindoro_:

"iamlindoro_: The VTS set with all the 1 GB files is the main movie"

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iamlindoro_:

"iamlindoro_: everything else is menus and extras"

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dustybin:

ok im reading

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dustybin:

thanks

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dustybin:

wow simple as that

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iamlindoro_:

We aim to please

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dustybin:

cat the main movie together sequentially, run a stream copy on the resulting file to fix seeking, done.

[19:11:45]

dustybin:

im not sure how you do that

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sid3windr:

like this ->

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dustybin:

im going to test out clonedvd on 1 more film

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dustybin:

it should work, i dont know why mythtv doesnt like it

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iamlindoro_:

Ah, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory again I see

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J-e-f-f-A:

!trout udev is a pain in the A$$

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sid3windr:

if it does what you want it's actually a very handy system :]

[19:15:14]

dustybin:

anydvd has a 'remove annoying adverts and trailer option'

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dustybin:

ill try that instead

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dustybin:

and a 'jump directly to movie' option :)

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Anduin:

dustybin: though it tends to suck, have you tried mtd?

[19:16:09]

dustybin:

can one use mtd to make a perfect copy?

[19:16:31]

Anduin:

dustybin: Yes, it is hidden under the name Perfect

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iamlindoro_:

Yes

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tpl:

hi all, is there any special tweaks that has to been done to get AC3 sound in the recordings?

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dustybin:

and mtd will automatically remove trailors, adverts and menu?

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iamlindoro_:

It will if you select the title that's the movie

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dustybin:

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[19:17:08]

iamlindoro_:

generally by choosing the one with length that matches your film

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Anduin:

dustybin: no, but those are on the DVD in a way that it doesn't make a difference (they are not part of the actual film vob)

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dustybin:

yes i remember !!

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dustybin:

so thats it then

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dustybin:

use mtd to rip a perfect copy

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dustybin:

job done

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Anduin:

until it fails

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dustybin:

ohhhh :(

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Anduin:

dustybin: but worth trying, if it works you are done, if not you just do what iamlindoro said

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dustybin:

ill have a look for some other software

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iamlindoro_:

*HEADDESK*

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dustybin:

all my music is lossless, and all my dvds will be as they are originally

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dustybin:

perfek

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** dustybin trys to work out what this mean **

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dustybin:

"cat the main movie together sequentially, run a stream copy on the resulting file to fix seeking, done."

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iamlindoro_:

If you have file00, file01, file02, you would cat file0* > finalfile

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gbee:

it means, cat the movie together, then run a stream copy on it to fix the seeking

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iamlindoro_:

then to stream copy, ffmpeg -i finalfile -acodec copy -vcodec copy outfile.vob

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gbee:

then ffmpeg -umm,

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iamlindoro_:

Just don't go cat'ing differing file types together, ie don't cat IFOs into VOBs

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dustybin:

why do you need to cat all the files together to make one big file?

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sid3windr:

BIGFILES ARE BIG

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin: Because without the stuff you want to cut *out*, the DVD no longer has the structure to know what to do next

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dustybin:

right i see

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: won't there be misc video sequences (from menus/extras) in the resulting file in addition to the main movie??

[19:27:30]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Not if he only cats the VTS sequence of the main movie

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iamlindoro_:

ie the one with the consistent 1 GB files (and probably one at the end that's not)

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iamlindoro_:

working form memory, you might have VTS_1_0, VTS_1_1, then VTS_2_0, VTS_2_1, etc.

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dustybin:

so, 1) delete everything apart from the VTS_**_*.VOB files. 2) cat all the remaining VTS files in sequence, to create 1 big VTS.VOB file. 3) ffmpeg -i finalfile -acodec copy -vcodec copy VTS.VOB

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iamlindoro_:

if VTS_2_* is all 1 GB files and accounts for most of the space, with 99% likelihood it's the main film

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin: Way to totally misunderstand everything

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sid3windr:

=)

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: oh, got it... missed the "the one with the consistent 1 GB files" in the discussion

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iamlindoro_:

You would ONLY keep the VTS_whatever VOB files that are consistently 1 GB

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dustybin:

jeeeze i might as well use mtd, job done

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iamlindoro_:

then cat THOSE together

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iamlindoro_:

into a file called DUSTYBINISDUMB.VOB

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sid3windr:

=)

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gbee:

vobcopy *might* do that for you

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iamlindoro_:

then ffmpeg -i DUSTYBINISDUMB.VOB -acodec copy -vcodec copy IAMLINDOROISSMAHT.VOB

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gbee:

but ISO ftw

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sphery:

here, here, ISO rulez

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iamlindoro_:

Yes, just use ISO so I don't have to beat myself to death with a tack hammer

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dustybin:

ok, this makes sense, it relates to handbrake, when i rip a film with handbrake, it shows you what title its ripping, if it starts ripping the main movie and it says '19', i would then know the main movie is VOB 19_0 blah

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dustybin:

one of my films starts off with /Volumes/SECRETARY/VIDEO_TS/VTS_19_0.VOB

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dustybin:

and that number goes up

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sid3windr:

secretary eh

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dustybin:

ace film

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sid3windr:

why rip porn dvd's, there's lotz in the interwebs!

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iamlindoro_:

Domeone likes to watch Maggie G get spanked

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dustybin:

not porn

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sid3windr:

:]

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dustybin:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

s/Domeone/Someone/

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sid3windr:

oh, not dumbone ? =)

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iamlindoro_:

sid3windr: I was definitely thinking it, but didn't want to take the low hanging fruit ;)

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sid3windr:

ah, it was a semi freudian slip already ? :p

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J-e-f-f-A:

BUS=="usb", SYSFS{product}=="Palm Handheld*", KERNEL=="ttyUSB[13579]", SYMLINK+="pilot"

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J-e-f-f-A:

^oops!

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sid3windr:

hacker

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dustybin:

How does one cat in sequence, what is the begining and the end? Imagine I have file1, file2, file3, can one do cat file* > outputfile ? will cat work out the correct sequence?

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sid3windr:

cat will process them in the order you give them

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laga:

dustybin: your shell will expand the *

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dustybin:

maybe i should do one at a time

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Josh_Borke:

dustybin: try: for ((i=1; i<=[max number here]; i+=1)); do cat file${i} >> outputfile; done

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dustybin:

jeeze

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Josh_Borke:

code is untested and could destroy your machine ;-)

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dustybin:

my files are called, VTS_19_0.VOB to VTS_19_5.VOB

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iamlindoro_:

cat VTS_19_* > yousuck.vob

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iamlindoro_:

or

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dustybin:

ill test it

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iamlindoro_:

cat VTS_19_*.VOB > suckit.vob

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dustybin:

cat might start from the last digit to zero

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laga:

it's not cat, it's your shell

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iamlindoro_:

No. It might not. Ever.

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dustybin:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

I have *done* this you know, I'm not just making up command lines

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: it would if i used tac :P

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: don't you just mean: http://www.slysoft.com/en/anydvd.html

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sphery:

(i.e. much simpler approach :)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: If I said what I meant I'd get kickbanned

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sid3windr:

dustybin: no it wouldn't

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kormoc:

for i in `seq 0 5`; do cat VTS_19_$i.VOB >> suckit.vob; done ?

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sphery:

+ clonedvd, I"m sure

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dustybin:

kormoc: aye nice, ill test that one

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: Don't you know by now that he will *never* choose the simple solution when the totally jacked up one presents itself?

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dustybin:

sphery: i tested clonedvd, it ripped all the rubbish, and was left with the movie, but mythtv didnt automatically select a aspect ratio for it, so i had to turn 16:9 on in that little white menu

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J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: Success!!! I was missing KERNEL=="ttyUSB[0–9]" in my udev rules... properly creates /dev/lcd now and works great...

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, sure, but least I didn't get too complicated

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sid3windr:

J-e-f-f-A: oh oh oh :o

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sid3windr:

that just goes in front?

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: But had you, that would have been the one that looked shiny to him :)

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** kormoc laughs **

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** iamlindoro_ ettercaps kormoc and logs into his mythweb and roots his box and mythtvosds his significant other **

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sid3windr:

throw in some |tac|cat|cat|tac

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J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: So, /dev/ttyUSB0 and /dev/ttyUSB1 will still get assigned (in whatever order the kernel sees the devices), but /dev/lcd will be created as a symlink to the right /dev/ttyUSBx device... same with /dev/x10 ... much better....

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iamlindoro_:

You would

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sid3windr:

J-e-f-f-A: yep, very well

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dustybin:

(the unix varient)

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dustybin:

now im confused, ffmpeg has made the VOB roughly 1 GIG smaller?

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dustybin:

surely it should be the same size?

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dustybin:

as the cat

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laga:

don#t call me shirley

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dustybin:

i used this command: ffmpeg -i secretary.vob -acodec copy -vcodec copy secretary_output.vob

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J-e-f-f-A:

... Now if I can just research how to patch lcdproc to not hang at startup of my Crystalfontz 634 usb...

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iamlindoro_:

It just cut out all the naughty bits

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iamlindoro_:

Now it's mormon-safe

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iamlindoro_:

Congrats!

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dustybin:

MythTV plays back the .VOB file if its on its own, if i create a dir called VIDEO_TS and place the .VOB inside it, and place everything inside another dir, mythtv doesnt like it

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iamlindoro_:

The vob doesn't have to be in a directory

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: i need to create a .iso to protect it from damage

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iamlindoro_:

Then do that, wtf is wrong with you?

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dustybin:

i thought it also needs to be in a VIDEO_TS dir if its in .iso format

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dustybin:

maybe not!

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iamlindoro_:

not

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dustybin:

ok

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Anduin:

dustybin: VIDEO_TS folders are assumed to be copies of the actual DVD not hand made stuff

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dustybin:

ok

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sid3windr:

=)

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dustybin:

thanks for help, this works ace :)

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dustybin:

is there really any point in putting the vob inside a .iso?

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iamlindoro_:

Not if you've cut all the other stuff out

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dustybin:

double ace :)

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dustybin:

vob ftw

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iamlindoro_:

Sorry, VOB is only a 3 on the scale of container format winnitude

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kormoc:

.vob.iso.encfs.ext3.raw.john.grand.muck.movie.tv.john.doe.smoe.yo for the win!

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iamlindoro_:

-lol-PDTV-[h4xx0r3d].torrent

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shep-home:

J-e-f-f-A: hah, i think I had the same one

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shep-home:

6 buttons, right?

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shep-home:

blue backlight?

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sid3windr:

boo backlight

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J-e-f-f-A:

shep-home: Mine doesn't have any buttons, just the backlight. It's Black-on-Green... (would have preferred White on Black, but for $16 I'm not gonna complain!)

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sid3windr:

=)

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J-e-f-f-A:

shep-home, sid3windr: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/CF634.jpg <-- Crappy cell-phone pic, but you get the idea... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

... Temporarily held by a set of "Helping Hands" and sitting on top of my HDHomeRun. Haven't decided what type of enclosure I want to create for it yet. ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

A pony

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iamlindoro_:

make it a pony

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laga:

the current one looks pretty good to me

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J-e-f-f-A:

laga: Yeah, it is pretty 'geeky'.. ;-)

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sid3windr:

cute

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sid3windr:

an lcd display on my backend, I should do the same :D

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sid3windr:

then again my backend is completely out of sight.

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sid3windr:

cute holder though yup.

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J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: Yeah, displays the recording status. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

I need to dive into the lcd server code though to tailor it to my wants/desires though... I'd like to be able to define 'screens' manually with template(s) – so for example, have a recording status screen with a summary of each tuner's status.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Right now, it displays "Recoring" and cycles through each recording – and if the title/subtile is long, it 'scrolls' between screens, making it take 2, 3 or evern 4x as long to display that recording's info. We could make much better use of the space on the LCD. ;-)

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shep-home:

I was going to ask, how close do you sit to your backend?

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shep-home:

cause I seem to remember not being able to see it from that far away

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shep-home:

I had a hacked-up power and signal over CAT-5, which I then ran like 30 ft

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shep-home:

to a micro-atx board

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shep-home:

this was all going to be installed in my car

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dustybin:

shep-home: clever is that you?

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J-e-f-f-A:

shep-home: It's in my basement, on a shelf up high. ;-) I can't mount the display in the drive bays, they're all taken by hot-swap sata trays. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

shep-home: mATX mb on the backend? Wow, mine's a full ATX MB – currently 3 SD tuners, 2 HD tuners, and 1 PCI and PCIe slot free. ;-)

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sid3windr:

I could just put a display on my desktop and have it retrieve the status of the backend over the network

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sid3windr:

yayay.

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RyeBrye_:

LCDproc and Myth work pretty well together

[22:09:21]

RyeBrye_:

I really like the recordings scrolling – makes it easy to confirm it's doing something when the TV is off

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shep-home:

J-e-f-f-A: no, no, not for myth at all – it was for a car mp3 player, before the ipods were all the rage

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RyeBrye_:

although I would really like it to scroll "upcoming recordings" every once in a while... if all it is doing is the clock mode

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J-e-f-f-A:

shep-home: Ah, ok. I actually did the same thing. ;-)

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shep-home:

I recall I had to add code for my specific model

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shep-home:

mine was the CFA633

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J-e-f-f-A:

shep-home: I didn't end up using it long as I was using a 120v power inverter, which would die with restarts or long idles. (Never sprung for a DC-DC supply)

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shep-home:

I had the buttons for play/pause and skip, etc

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shep-home:

Yeah, I went DC/DC

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J-e-f-f-A:

shep-home: I had an Hitachi Parallel LCD then. ;-) And until I got the CrystalFontz 634 USB, I was using that on my backend. ;-)

[22:12:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye_: Yeah, I'd just like more flexibility in the configuration of how things are displayed. ;-)

[22:14:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye_: And the 'large clock' is in 24-hour format – although that might be an LCDproc limitation...

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sid3windr:

is there any other format?

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J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: if you've got 'big clock' un-checked, it just displays as normal text in am/pm form centered on the 3rd line of a 4x20 display.

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RyeBrye_:

The version of LCDproc I was using was doing some strange blocking on it – I put a sleep somewhere in the code – otherwise it woudl make my load average always be at 1+ for some strange reason

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sid3windr:

J-e-f-f-A: you did not get my sarcastic tone about your "unconventional" time notation methods I see!

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sid3windr:

:>

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J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye_: Sounds like an HD44780 display – yeah, those don't have a 'busy' pin, so 99% of the time the 'timing' is simply done with delays – not the most optimal, but it works. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: hehe... ;-) didn't catch that! ;-)

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kormoc:

RyeBrye_, load average doesn't matter, it's just how many processes are using cpu time at the same time, nothing to do with actual cpu usage

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RyeBrye_:

kormoc: yes, I know it doesn't really matter... but I think the load average is more than just cpu processes – it also takes into account io stuff too iirc

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sid3windr:

J-e-f-f-A: it's time "the world" goes metric – and while you're at it go "military time" too ;)

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kormoc:

RyeBrye_, nope, just a average of how many processes are using cpu time, nothing else

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RyeBrye_:

ok

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kormoc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_(computing) . . . _calculation

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kormoc:

so just because it was always in the queue, if it's light enough, it wouldn't actually show performance issues

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RyeBrye_:

gotcha

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clever:

ive had a load avg over 100 before

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clever:

but thats only when the swap+ram overflow

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... any way to change from 'digest' to 'individual messages' mode for the -users mailing list, or do I have to 'unsubscribe' then re-subscribe?

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kormoc:

go to the mailing list control panel, log in and update your preference

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Ah, duh... sorry... didn't see the 'log in' section on the 2nd screen... <oops>

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J-e-f-f-A:

ugh... can't remember my pw to change it, and the 'send password' link hasn't kicked in yet... <strange>....

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RyeBrye_:

Hmm... nobody has reported the "ERR: Cannot jump to chapter N of title Foo, only N-1 exist" bug? That seems rather odd – since I yell swear words quite frequently as a result of it

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RyeBrye_:

(when burning DVD's with mytharchive)

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laga:

then report it ;) i assume you have searched the users list

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J-e-f-f-A_:

oops... that was my router's power adapter, not the hdhomerun's... ;-)

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dustybin:

when i cat a load of vobs together with this command:

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dustybin:

for i in `seq 0 10`; do cat vts_01_$i.vob >> "gladiator_".vob; done

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dustybin:

will there be any pauses inbetween the different vobs?

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alexp789:

Hi all, is there anyone on who has successfully got a Hauppauge Nova card working in a Xen DomU (with PCI Forwarding)?

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alexp789:

I've spent all day searching, but not found any diffinative answers on whether it will actually work!

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