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| [00:00:12] | iamlindoro: | (and a fairly nice way of scheduling/checking/watching recordings from work, with a little effort) |
| [00:01:16] | nsx: | ah, right |
| [00:01:33] | nsx: | so it's a replacement for mythfrontend? |
| [00:01:44] | iamlindoro: | no, it's a complement to mythfrontend |
| [00:02:00] | nsx: | all right, I'll give it a try |
| [00:02:48] | iamlindoro: | Mythweb allows remote download of your media, scheduling, and very very experimental streaming of recordings, among a few other things-- it doesn't attempt to recreate an entire frontend, but allows for basic administration and tasks to be done remotely |
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| [00:23:06] | nsx: | I'm still looking for a convenient way to play optical discs with video files on them... |
| [00:25:24] | iamlindoro: | Set mythvideo to file browse mode, and symlink the optical disk mount dir in your MythVideo store somewhere |
| [00:25:50] | iamlindoro: | Then when an optical disk with files on it is mounted, you simply open MythVideo, navigate to that spote, and play them |
| [00:26:21] | iamlindoro: | s/spote/spot/ |
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| [00:29:13] | nsx: | and do what? use automount? |
| [00:29:27] | nsx: | or as I recall, can't mythtv be set to mount the disc? |
| [00:29:37] | nsx: | it's been years since I've set one of these up |
| [00:29:56] | iamlindoro: | Yes, set up however your distro prefers to have optical disks automount |
| [00:30:16] | nsx: | debian doesn't seem to prefer it |
| [00:30:32] | iamlindoro: | Well there is certainly some distro-approved way of doing it |
| [00:31:05] | iamlindoro: | so do that, have it mount to /media/cdrom or whatever, and symlink /media/cdrom to /videos/CD or wherever |
| [00:31:36] | iamlindoro: | Then set MythVideo to file browse mode and you can always enter the CD directory and see whatever files are mounted at that moment |
| [00:48:29] | nsx: | I'm wondering if it would be worth it to use something like knopmyth or whatever |
| [00:48:53] | nsx: | I like having a highly customized system, but you are right about the debian multimedia archives.. |
| [00:48:57] | nsx: | tons of things seem to be broken |
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| [00:49:32] | iamlindoro: | Mythbuntu is kept most up to date of the specific distros, but any of them can work |
| [00:49:39] | nsx: | weather doesn't work, most internet streams don't work, the imdb meta data thing doesn't work |
| [00:49:56] | iamlindoro: | Well, IMDB is going to be broken no mater what you use |
| [00:50:02] | iamlindoro: | IMDB has shut us out, so it's being replaced |
| [00:50:14] | RyeBrye: | IMDB. :( |
| [00:50:40] | nsx: | thing is, I'm setting this particular PVR up for someone who's not tech savvy, and won't have any idea how to keep it up-to-date |
| [00:50:43] | iamlindoro: | in trunk it's replaced with the themoviedb.com grabber, which works fairly okay |
| [00:50:50] | nsx: | I haven't built a mythtv box for myself yet |
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| [01:34:21] | ** iamlindoro finally gets around to catching up on Heroes ** | |
| [01:34:29] | iamlindoro: | Only three to go... |
| [01:35:07] | ** Wayhigh needs to find some cheap ass pc2–6400 RAM ** | |
| [01:35:44] | iamlindoro: | Isn't DDR-2 cheap by definition these days? |
| [01:36:15] | Wayhigh: | yeah but I need some cheap cheap ddr |
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| [01:37:16] | iamlindoro: | Whole bunch on my desk doing nothing |
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| [01:39:08] | Wayhigh: | ah hah.. teasing me I see |
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| [01:40:18] | iamlindoro: | I somehow ended up with a bunch of extra-- all the systems are at 8 GB and still have 16 or so sitting on the desk-- not sure how that happened, mostly upgrades at work |
| [01:41:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: I'll help you. Ship it to me... ;-) |
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| [01:42:01] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, It's mostly the cheap stuff-- 8 or so GB of AData, 4 of Super Talent, and 4 or so of Crucial (which is decent) |
| [01:43:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: That's ok, I can put it to good use. ;-) |
| [01:44:37] | Wayhigh: | iamlindoro: you have 4GB of pc6400 crucial? |
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| [01:44:59] | iamlindoro: | Wayhigh, Yes.. probably will toss it in a box I'm throwing together to my kid sisters |
| [01:45:10] | iamlindoro: | They apparently need a "Sims 3 box" per my mother |
| [01:45:29] | Wayhigh: | iamlindoro: your sister's address changed |
| [01:45:36] | Wayhigh: | want me to give you the new address? |
| [01:45:42] | iamlindoro: | heh |
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| [01:48:13] | iamlindoro: | We're progressive out here in California, but not progressive enough to let 13 year old girls move out on their own |
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| [01:50:24] | Wayhigh: | hahaha |
| [01:51:40] | directhex: | progressive enough to annul any marriages made by them homoqueers? |
| [01:53:36] | iamlindoro: | Thankfully (I Heart Jerry Brown!) We won't be annulling anything butProp 8 |
| [01:55:02] | directhex: | oh, so you hate families then? tut tut |
| [01:55:25] | iamlindoro: | I just love families with two mommies. Hot. |
| [01:57:09] | iamlindoro: | Man, when did heroes get so gory? |
| [01:57:25] | directhex: | :o evil! take the child away, and send them to an orphanage, arkansas-style |
| [02:10:40] | Wayhigh: | yeah cause orphanages help everyone so much.. just ask china |
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| [03:52:35] | iamlindoro: | Haha, Lt. Worf is the President |
| [03:52:52] | wagnerrp: | in what show? |
| [03:52:56] | iamlindoro: | Heroes |
| [03:55:32] | iamlindoro: | At least I finally managed to catch up on *one* show |
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| [04:02:23] | Guest94427: | hi, has anyone gotten the pinnacle 800i remote to work with mythtv? |
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| [04:25:22] | ** cesman would appreaciate if no comments about Heroes were made... ** | |
| [04:25:29] | cesman: | some of us still have to catch up |
| [04:25:58] | wagnerrp: | well that comment could be confirmed by merely checking the cast list on imdb |
| [04:26:59] | iamlindoro: | Casting info only, no plot information will be divulged :) |
| [04:27:14] | iamlindoro: | Especially as I still have a fair few shows to catch up on myself |
| [04:27:37] | iamlindoro: | Watched seven episodes of Heroes today, began to feel like a job |
| [04:28:12] | iamlindoro: | Also mounted a dish, crawled around in the crawlspace, peaked the dish, ran errands, and replaced the kitchen sink. All in all I'd say I had a very accomplished day :) |
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| [04:29:48] | wagnerrp: | actually, it seems the heroes page doesnt have him listed, but his page lists heroes |
| [04:35:16] | iamlindoro: | My HOA agreement states that I have to get approval to put a dish out on the deck-- I am half-hoping they'll complain that I didn't so I can throw the FCC regs at them :) |
| [04:36:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Were you able to hit 129? |
| [04:37:24] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, I just don't know-- I asked for a (used) dish receiver for Christmas to aid in aiming/peaking, so I hope to find out next week-- Based on some of the aiming I did today I think 119/129/148 may be possible |
| [04:37:32] | iamlindoro: | if so I'll likely switch |
| [04:37:56] | iamlindoro: | I think 129 and 148 minimally should be fine |
| [04:38:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Ah. ;-) That's where an FTA receiver comes in handy – even if you can't tune the encrypted stuff, it identifies the sat. ;-) |
| [04:38:58] | iamlindoro: | Learned some interesting things about aiming offset dishes, though. Was very concerned about the tree outside my deck, but based on reading about properly tracing the rays on offset dishes it looks like I shouldn't have much to worry about, the angle of attack to the dish is *much* higher than I thought |
| [04:39:53] | iamlindoro: | Interesting trick, you can put your eye right below the bottom of the dish and peer over the top of the LNB and that's the actual angle-- and upon looking at that, I clear the tree by a good few feet |
| [04:40:13] | iamlindoro: | whereas the dish itself actually looks like it's aiming smack dab at the tree |
| [04:40:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, you're in the west coast, so it's probably similar to me hitting the 61.5 sat – it's 40 degrees up... 110/119 are like 20/28 degrees for me. |
| [04:41:14] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Yep, my Elevation to 129/148 is 17 degrees |
| [04:41:15] | iamlindoro: | er 47 |
| [04:41:22] | iamlindoro: | so *really* high |
| [04:41:30] | iamlindoro: | great for clearing the tree |
| [04:41:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Humm... probably depends on the dish design, but yeah, that might work. Unlike an old-school C-band dish, where the LNB is in the center, dish is offset by like 20–30 degrees... |
| [04:41:47] | iamlindoro: | 22 |
| [04:41:50] | iamlindoro: | 22 degree offset |
| [04:42:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | there ya go. ;-) |
| [04:42:25] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Per the dishpointer setup (got the dishpointer guy to add a 129/148 setting for me) and following those specs exactly, I think I'm in the clear for those two |
| [04:42:34] | iamlindoro: | will futz with 119 later |
| [04:43:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, usually you tune the middle one, then tilt it to get the other two to get max signal. |
| [04:43:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | (you know, fine-tune the skew after you peak the middle LNB) |
| [04:43:48] | iamlindoro: | I this case I'm going to start with a 2 LNB (Dish 500) although I've got a 1000.2 if 119 is possible |
| [04:44:11] | iamlindoro: | The only one that's straight up through a building is 110, but oh well, that's all SD crap anyway |
| [04:45:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Humm.. didn't realize 110 was only SD... My sat receivers user 110/119 and 61.5, but are currently SD. |
| [04:45:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | 'use' even... ;-) |
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| [04:45:40] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, regardless, my plan will have to be a la carte because of my limited view |
| [04:46:10] | iamlindoro: | Will likely buy their HD package if 129 is totally clear, even if that means I am eligible for 119 and can't get it |
| [04:46:40] | iamlindoro: | But at least they let you a) own and set up your own equipment and b) are reasonable with the a la carte stuff |
| [04:46:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | You have a clear shot at 110 but not 119? Humm... |
| [04:46:58] | iamlindoro: | no, best case I will have 119/129/148 |
| [04:47:01] | iamlindoro: | 110 is out |
| [04:47:12] | iamlindoro: | with near certainty I have 129/148 |
| [04:47:18] | iamlindoro: | 119 is iffy, 110 is not a chance |
| [04:47:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: and last time I knew, dish doesn't do al la carte packages – with the possible exception of international stuff... so You'll end up paying for a 'top 250' package and not getting all the channels if they can't come in from 129/148 instead. |
| [04:48:22] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, There's also some other stuff going on now-- 129 is moving to 149 when the new 129 arrives in correct orbit in a few days |
| [04:48:32] | iamlindoro: | So will need to see how the transponder layouts shake out |
| [04:48:40] | iamlindoro: | But they do have a la carte |
| [04:49:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: ^ Really? Wow – either it's new, or I was lied to like 8 years ago when I first got dish... |
| [04:49:23] | iamlindoro: | Buy the most basic plan, then add the Turbo HD package and any sports packages on top of that |
| [04:49:31] | iamlindoro: | Well, they might not have 8 years ago |
| [04:50:00] | iamlindoro: | Can also do the "turboHD" alone |
| [04:50:13] | iamlindoro: | anyway, we'll see |
| [04:50:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Oh, ok... for the HD and Sports stuff... but not like you can just have TLC and Animal Planet in addition to the lowest plan... ;-) |
| [04:50:45] | iamlindoro: | Right, not per-channel a la carte |
| [04:50:56] | iamlindoro: | but in fairly bite-sized packages I can live with |
| [04:51:39] | iamlindoro: | Depending on what's possible I might look into the r5000 stuff too |
| [04:52:29] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, it's fun to have a project to mess with over the break |
| [04:53:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | The r5000 – you talking about the firewire addon? |
| [04:54:36] | iamlindoro: | usb |
| [04:54:39] | iamlindoro: | but yeah |
| [04:55:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Oh... usb? neat, I thought it was firewire. ;-) cool. |
| [04:55:28] | iamlindoro: | yeah, with myth patches, but not sure of their current apply-ability |
| [04:56:02] | iamlindoro: | Big issue if I did that then becomes the inability to losslessly cut commercials |
| [04:56:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | yuck. |
| [04:56:54] | jackson__: | wow those are spendy |
| [04:56:57] | iamlindoro: | (because it's h.264) |
| [04:57:08] | iamlindoro: | jackson__, Yeah, would likely go the self-install route |
| [04:58:37] | iamlindoro: | I do have an idea for a mythcommflag patch that might make *very* basic lossless cutting possible without needing to resort to external programs |
| [04:58:49] | iamlindoro: | at least, becont dd and cat |
| [04:58:53] | iamlindoro: | beyond |
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| [04:59:34] | iamlindoro: | might play with that some this break too |
| [05:01:27] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, Do you feel confident that we're now marking I frames correctly with the new h264parser? |
| [05:01:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Well, does h.264 have the same basic structure as mpeg2, ie – index frames, etc? |
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| [05:01:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ guess that answers my question... ;-) |
| [05:01:53] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, similar, yes. It's also generally transmitted in TSes, too |
| [05:02:15] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, My idea is more or less that GOP-level editing should be pretty easy to add to mythtranscode |
| [05:02:32] | iamlindoro: | I won't even think about adding frame-level, that's too much work for me |
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| [05:03:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Yeah, that's what I was thinking of... I had an mpeg2 editor a few years ago that was uber-fast because it made cuts on gop frames only... but not frame accurate. ;-) |
| [05:03:15] | iamlindoro: | But as we write our seektables by file offset, so long as the new h.264 parser is accurate, GOP-level should be as simple as seek to nearest keyframe and copy |
| [05:04:26] | iamlindoro: | anyway, if I can manage that, then using my HD-PVR (and possibly R5000) would start looking a lot more attractive |
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| [05:09:50] | jpabq: | iamlindoro, The fact that you can "edit" a recording, and skip forward/backward to the next keyframe, and it is not macro-blocked tells me that it is doing it right. |
| [05:10:25] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, sounds good |
| [05:10:33] | jpabq: | I know that the I frames are being detected correctly. If anything is going wrong, it is figuring out what offset we are at when the I frame is detected. |
| [05:11:13] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, I figure even with slightly broken offsets the worst you'd see at a cutpoint with just a straight copy would be two corrupt GOPs |
| [05:13:13] | iamlindoro: | *seems* it should be as simple as querying what the offset is for x frame or nearest GOP, creating a list of ranges, and concatenating results |
| [05:14:27] | jpabq: | The problem with recording the offsets, is the buffering in memory as we are recording. The offset has to be what has been written to disk, plus what hasn't made it there yet. |
| [05:14:31] | iamlindoro: | Then rebuilding the seektable at the end of the "transcode" ought to fix seeking (although that would require someone fixing seektable rebuild for h.264) |
| [05:15:24] | jpabq: | There was a patch to "fix" that, but it was against fixes. Does not apply to trunk. I tweaked it to apply to trunk, but there is something wrong with it. |
| [05:15:38] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, Maybe I'll take a stab at in in the next few weeks-- if nothing else it would make a decent diagnostic tool for checking our h.264 parsing |
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| [05:15:53] | iamlindoro: | one o' them "mutually beneficial" dealie |
| [05:15:54] | iamlindoro: | s |
| [05:18:48] | jpabq: | It does seem to help with commflagging, though. Without that patch applied, I get something like "first frame is not a keyframe", when commflagging starts up. Don't get that with my version of that patch. However, my version of the patch does *not* fix rebuilding the seektable via commflag. Pretty sure it is because TRUNK is doing MARK_GOP_BYFRAME, which was not the case in fixes. |
| [05:19:35] | jpabq: | Just haven't taken the time to work on it further. |
| [05:20:32] | iamlindoro: | No worries, I think I can bang at this a bit without needing the results to necessarily be accurate-- functional would be enough to start |
| [05:21:20] | iamlindoro: | In fact, the content of mpeg2fix.cpp should more or less do exactly what I'm talking about |
| [05:21:40] | iamlindoro: | just disable the glue transcodes for h.264 and seek to nearest keyframe |
| [05:21:55] | jpabq: | iamlindoro: http://rafb.net/p/ZKbMS240.html |
| [05:21:57] | iamlindoro: | would be wiser just to patch that than to try to reinvent the wheel, it seems |
| [05:23:20] | jpabq: | With that patch, if you look at the seektable after trying to rebuild using mythcommflag, instead of MARK being something like "1, 32, 64", it is "1, 2, 3, 4". |
| [05:24:32] | jpabq: | I think it is the right thing to do, just incomplete. |
| [05:24:49] | iamlindoro: | I see |
| [05:28:49] | iamlindoro: | Hmmm, actually, mepg2fix isn't the right way to handle h.264 |
| [05:29:03] | iamlindoro: | not that it couldn't be adapted, it's just a lot of work |
| [05:29:30] | iamlindoro: | easier just to write a basic h.264 cutter that does it based on file offset and elave the mpeg-2 stuff aside |
| [05:31:22] | jpabq: | I get to spend tomorrow swapping parts between three different computers. I am still trying to keep an old nForce 4 motherboard in service even though it has given me more grief than any other motherboard I have ever owned. |
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| [05:32:57] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, My mother has requested a new system for my kid sisters and brothers for The Sims 3/games so I'll be doing some of same tomorrow |
| [05:34:57] | jpabq: | That GIGABYTE GA-EP45-DQ6 system I build has been one of the most trouble-free (hardware wise) that I have ever used. One of those cases, where it was well worth the money! |
| [05:35:35] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, Yes, I've been very happy too-- still need to sit down and get the r8168/8169 bits working |
| [05:35:51] | iamlindoro: | Last time I tried with the realtek driver it didn't work, period |
| [05:36:04] | iamlindoro: | Have read some recently that that might all be fixed up now |
| [05:36:05] | jpabq: | I forgot about it's NIC issues. I threw a intel PCIe NIC in there and have not looked back. |
| [05:36:21] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, Did same, but would like to reclaim the slot if it's now possible |
| [05:36:57] | jpabq: | Is there a new BIOS? |
| [05:37:09] | iamlindoro: | I updated to the latest a month or two ago, was f11 |
| [05:37:20] | jpabq: | I have been waiting for a new BIOS for that 9400 board. I would like to be able to run the memory at CAS4. |
| [05:37:44] | iamlindoro: | There is an f13a now |
| [05:38:19] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, actually, have f12 on my board and f13 is a beta |
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| [05:41:59] | jpabq: | BIOS for you 9300 board is up to 0407 |
| [05:42:35] | iamlindoro: | Haven't found reason to update the BIOS just yet |
| [05:42:42] | iamlindoro: | very *very* happy with it thus far |
| [05:42:49] | jpabq: | Can you use CAS4 memory? |
| [05:42:52] | iamlindoro: | (case fan, on the other hand, is driving me insane, need to replace it) |
| [05:43:01] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, I dunno |
| [05:43:15] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, See that I got about halfway through my HD-PVR internal mount? |
| [05:43:18] | jpabq: | I wish VDPAU worked better on the 9400. |
| [05:43:23] | jpabq: | Yeah. |
| [05:43:45] | iamlindoro: | Have the rest of the stuff coming monday, will build the PCI brackets next week sometime |
| [05:44:09] | iamlindoro: | should actually run cooler in the case, has two fans blowing over it |
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| [05:45:47] | jpabq: | Only problem I have had with my HD-PVR recently, was when Directv updated the receiver, and then wanted user interaction. HD-PVR didn't know how to handle that. |
| [05:46:38] | iamlindoro: | Well.. yeah, but can't really blame the HD-PVr for that |
| [05:46:49] | iamlindoro: | Would be the same for any capture device |
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| [05:47:46] | jpabq: | I guess I should work on the Myth code for the HD-PVR such that it *always* gets the bitrate right. Unfortunately that requires a 3 second delay when tuning. I was hoping janneg could do some magic in the driver to cut that time down, but it does not look like he is going to be able to do that anytime soon. |
| [05:49:03] | iamlindoro: | That will only irritate LveTV users... which we are not |
| [05:49:21] | iamlindoro: | I am of the opinion that slow tuning is preferable to wrong bitrate |
| [05:49:51] | jpabq: | Do you like *powerful* hard rock? One of the best albums I bought this year: http://www.lasercd.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=16861797027 |
| [05:50:50] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, Though you might not imagine it from my saucy attitude, I am actually a fan of classical music and R&B :) |
| [05:51:04] | jpabq: | John Williams rules! |
| [05:51:20] | jpabq: | I like Beethoven, but hate Bach. |
| [05:51:26] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Sasktel_IPTV interesting article, wonder if it might work for the US providers using the VIP1200 |
| [05:51:47] | iamlindoro: | John Williams doesn't count, Beethoven does rule, and I don't like Bach either :) |
| [05:52:42] | iamlindoro: | Wonder if we have any technically capable Uverse users, they use the VIP1200 AFAIK |
| [05:53:24] | jpabq: | You would probably hate that album I linked to, then, but they are backed up by a symphony on that album ;-) |
| [05:54:02] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [05:55:09] | jpabq: | I have been really bummed that John Williams has not done the score for the last two Harry Potter movies. |
| [05:57:02] | jpabq: | Anyway. time to wind down for the night..... l8r |
| [05:57:21] | iamlindoro: | seeya |
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| [06:47:18] | linagee: | why is TV all funky for two weeks? |
| [06:47:47] | linagee: | is it just me or did producers start learning a "bi-monthly" series trick? instead of showing new episodes every week, they show them every *other* week.... |
| [06:48:07] | linagee: | is TV dying? |
| [06:48:38] | iamlindoro: | TV always goes to reruns at Christmas time |
| [06:57:21] | linagee: | iamlindoro: yuck |
| [06:57:34] | linagee: | iamlindoro: why do we let it? heh |
| [06:57:59] | iamlindoro: | Seems to me most of us have bigger fish to fry |
| [06:58:07] | linagee: | iamlindoro: like? |
| [06:58:22] | linagee: | iamlindoro: spending lots of money? |
| [06:58:33] | iamlindoro: | Like "spending time with family/friends etc. at Christmas?" |
| [06:58:34] | linagee: | on christmas stuff |
| [06:58:50] | linagee: | iamlindoro: why not spend time with family and friends all year long though. :) |
| [06:58:57] | linagee: | i refuse to be a slave to consumerism |
| [06:59:03] | iamlindoro: | Because they're only in town at Christmas? |
| [06:59:17] | linagee: | iamlindoro: not my family/friends. it's too expensive to travel this year |
| [06:59:26] | iamlindoro: | You refuse to be a slave to consumerism but are troubled by your boob tube going away for two weeks? |
| [06:59:30] | iamlindoro: | somethings amiss there |
| [06:59:32] | linagee: | lol |
| [06:59:41] | linagee: | iamlindoro: it's not like i watch commercials on the boob. :) |
| [06:59:56] | linagee: | iamlindoro: at least not intentionally. (minus in-show commercials) |
| [07:00:09] | iamlindoro: | Commercials are hardly the only way for advertisers to get at you |
| [07:00:19] | linagee: | :( |
| [07:00:21] | iamlindoro: | anyway, irrelevant, it's just TV after all |
| [07:00:41] | iamlindoro: | And there are many things more important, like, say.. anything |
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| [07:02:05] | iamlindoro: | Watch out, without new fresh teevee you might accidentally attract the attention of the gender of your choice, or mistakenly go out into the day-star |
| [07:02:07] | linagee: | iamlindoro: what happens when analog broadcast TV goes away? will all those people living in trailer parks in the middle of nowhere with their black and white TV get all pissed? |
| [07:02:29] | linagee: | iamlindoro: gender of my choice. lol. i like that. :) |
| [07:02:44] | linagee: | iamlindoro: no day star for me. :( |
| [07:02:47] | iamlindoro: | Presumably those people will go out to the radio shack and get their cheap-as-free converter boxes and go on watching TV |
| [07:03:01] | iamlindoro: | then again, all those people are already stealing satellite |
| [07:03:06] | linagee: | iamlindoro: if they are that smart to do so. lol |
| [07:03:32] | linagee: | "what's a converter box? why do i need one of them?" |
| [07:03:55] | iamlindoro: | I would wager the average trailer dweller knows more about TV than the average homeowner |
| [07:04:03] | iamlindoro: | Priorities |
| [07:04:44] | linagee: | iamlindoro: lol. only because they had advertisements on TV that are like, "if you are using an antenna, you need a convertor box now". i almost wish they wouldn't have those commercials |
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| [11:12:54] | mattwj2002: | wow that is weird |
| [11:13:21] | mattwj2002: | open source drivers appear to work better with my mythtv frontend |
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| [14:29:29] | Floppe: | are there any fireplace visualizations available for mythtv? |
| [14:34:05] | laga: | you could just buy a DVD |
| [14:34:25] | laga: | maybe there's something for libvisual, but libvisual has been known to be crashy with mythmusic |
| [14:35:05] | Floppe: | got the idea as a friend did get a DVD as a gift recently. |
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| [15:13:36] | iamlindoro__: | sphery: I've decided to answer all trunk related stupid question in the manner of the message I just seent |
| [15:13:49] | laga: | iamlindoro__: to -users? |
| [15:14:00] | iamlindoro__: | laga: yeah |
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| [15:17:19] | iamlindoro__: | Someone asking why his VDPAU no worky with the 180.16 driver 50 trunk revisions before trunk updated the API to work with it |
| [15:17:39] | iamlindoro__: | !trout -users commits |
| [15:17:39] | ** MythLogBot slaps -users with a commits trout on behalf of iamlindoro__... ** | |
| [15:21:21] | gbee: | noticed a couple of weeks ago that there was a thread about DVD playback troubles, at least one user was seeing issues because the drive speed was too low (video pausing every couple of seconds) |
| [15:21:43] | gbee: | if anyone sees someone with that issue, just tell them to increase the drive speed to the max |
| [15:22:47] | wagnerrp: | i didnt realize the nvidia API was still in flux |
| [15:23:22] | gbee: | one reason why it's beta |
| [15:23:36] | iamlindoro__: | yep, it was updated to allow application-settable reference frame maximum |
| [15:23:41] | wagnerrp: | usually thats the kind of thing that freezes before it leaves alpha |
| [15:24:07] | gbee: | only if all the problems are found in alpha |
| [15:24:09] | iamlindoro__: | rather than the hard and fast 4 max w/ 1080 material |
| [15:24:48] | gbee: | trouble these days is that ordinary users just aren't afraid of the beta tag anymore .... I blame Google |
| [15:25:22] | iamlindoro__: | I expect a sound flaming for suggesting he should already know the answer from -commits |
| [15:30:37] | iamlindoro__: | In a similar vein: "Cool! I am now building revision 19412. Is that version without known problems?" HAHAHAHA. different guy, same ignorant crap |
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| [15:43:38] | ikonia: | Gents, while setting up mythtv server on a remote machine, is there a way to launch mythtvsetup in a window, for some frustating reason when the setup application opens full screen on my client screen, the buttons on the bottom are cut off, the best way to deal with this seems to window the setup program |
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| [15:56:06] | iamlindoro__: | hee hee, fun: http://www.geektonic.com/2008/12/building-htpc-quick-video.html |
| [15:57:22] | iamlindoro__: | except no self respecting HTPC geek spends that kind of time on instructions |
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| [16:22:25] | clever: | iamlindoro__: i sometimes answer dumb questions with more dumb questions |
| [16:22:44] | clever: | iamlindoro__: for example somebody came to me today saying 'i broke irc', and i asked if he hit it with a hammer |
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| [16:33:32] | wagnerrp: | someone told you... on irc... that they broke irc? |
| [16:35:06] | clever: | they cleared the aliases tab in mirc, so they list things like /j and /p |
| [16:36:32] | clever: | 21 01:55:34 <+Red_X> clever i broke my IRC |
| [16:36:32] | clever: | 21 01:55:43 <@clever> looks to be working fine:P |
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| [16:40:10] | iamlindoro__: | I have nightmares sometime of a channel where clever has ops |
| [16:41:12] | clever: | I'm opped in ( 56 / 85 ) channels on ( 9 ) networks. I have power over ( 224 / 581 ) users. |
| [16:41:20] | sid3windr: | @16 / 49 : 566 nicks (of which 443 are ops) |
| [16:41:26] | sid3windr: | and I thought I was in a lot of channels |
| [16:42:07] | clever: | 32 of those channels are on my own network, where i can bend the 20 channel limit |
| [16:42:30] | clever: | and that didnt count rizon |
| [16:42:31] | clever: | or freenode |
| [16:43:00] | clever: | at a glance, i have 5 irc clients running in total |
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| [16:44:06] | sid3windr: | how much do you earn a month with this? :P |
| [16:44:19] | iamlindoro__: | A bright shiny $0 |
| [16:44:32] | sid3windr: | poor clever ;/ |
| [16:44:36] | iamlindoro__: | But, but... these are his "friends!" |
| [16:45:08] | clever: | i get donatons via paypal on ocasion |
| [16:45:19] | sid3windr: | "thank you for being on irc"? |
| [16:47:10] | clever: | theres a 50$ donation back in july |
| [16:47:15] | clever: | and a 5$ one in nov |
| [16:47:16] | iamlindoro__: | "In the interest of public safety, please take this donation and remain in the house" |
| [16:47:35] | clever: | lol |
| [16:47:39] | wagnerrp: | money well spent, $50 for 6 months so far |
| [16:47:48] | iamlindoro__: | Wow... if you rack up $5 thus month you'll be making $10 a month |
| [16:48:21] | clever: | since that 50$ payment, ive only spend 12$ 19$ 23$ |
| [16:48:44] | sid3windr: | lol iamlindoro__ |
| [16:48:46] | iamlindoro__: | So you've a net loss of $4 |
| [16:48:55] | clever: | online game, buying portal from steam, and buying an item on ebay |
| [16:48:58] | iamlindoro__: | Good job |
| [16:49:05] | clever: | you forgot the 5$ in nov |
| [16:49:08] | sid3windr: | you don't eat or have power bills then |
| [16:49:09] | clever: | so a net gain of 1$ :P |
| [16:49:22] | wagnerrp: | no taxes? |
| [16:49:27] | clever: | sid3windr: the ebay item was a kill-a-watt, but i dont pay the power bill |
| [16:49:31] | iamlindoro__: | His daddy takes care of him |
| [16:49:50] | iamlindoro__: | God help you if he had an accident |
| [16:50:20] | sid3windr: | so hm |
| [16:50:32] | sid3windr: | anyone know of a cheap kill-a-watt style thing for european plugs =p |
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| [16:50:55] | iamlindoro__: | Don't worry, I'm sure there are lots of lucrative positions for hygeine-challenged high school dropouts with massive social phobia |
| [16:51:10] | clever: | iamlindoro__: i just got out of the tub:P |
| [16:51:26] | iamlindoro__: | Wow, it must be That time of year then |
| [16:51:54] | iamlindoro__: | Time for the old December bath |
| [16:52:28] | clever: | the shower was leaking |
| [16:52:33] | clever: | so its been torn out |
| [16:52:42] | wagnerrp: | the EU standardized power distribution, but are your plugs all still different? |
| [16:52:44] | iamlindoro__: | Not that it's used in your house anyway |
| [16:52:52] | clever: | and the original owners did a horid job of installing the old one |
| [16:53:07] | clever: | the plumbing wasnt properly attached to anything |
| [16:53:07] | sid3windr: | wagnerrp: they standardized power distribution? |
| [16:53:14] | clever: | it was just hanging from the plastic wall of the shower |
| [16:53:43] | wagnerrp: | quick searching around said the EU moved everyone to 230V |
| [16:53:56] | iamlindoro__: | Why am I not surprised you live in a dump |
| [16:54:02] | iamlindoro__: | Since you smell like compost |
| [16:54:02] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to different countries varying between 220V and 240V |
| [17:00:51] | sid3windr: | ah |
| [17:00:54] | sid3windr: | but isn't UK on 110? |
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| [17:01:12] | sid3windr: | anyway, some plugs differ yup |
| [17:01:24] | sid3windr: | but you can use the same ones in BE/NL/DE/FR/ES at least |
| [17:04:12] | tanderson: | sphery: hey, did you ever figure something out with the HD3000/HD5500 signal drops? I'm going to try to find which patch messed it up in v4l-dvb |
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| [18:52:37] | jarle: | in the channel scanner (dvb-s), if I set it to delete old channels, will it delete *all* my old channels, or will it only delete channels that is not carried by the multiplex anymore? |
| [18:53:00] | jarle: | it seems that some of my channels has moved to a different mplex and therefor an addition channel has been added, I need my channel list to contain the *current* channels without having to configure xmltv etc for channels that has not moved... |
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| [18:54:49] | GlemSom: | I would like mythtv to forget about a recording. I navigated to the recording using mythweb – and used "forget old"... apparently that does nothing at all... Is it possible to make the "forget old" function work in mythweb? |
| [18:55:44] | mkrufky: | GlemSom: sometimes you need to refresh the page again for the effects of "forget old" to show up in mythweb |
| [18:56:20] | mkrufky: | (sometimes i just click the "forget old" link a second time and that does it, although i suspect that simply the page refresh would be enough) |
| [18:57:02] | gbee: | sid3windr: UK is 240V |
| [18:57:08] | sid3windr: | oh, okay |
| [18:57:15] | sid3windr: | somehow I thought it was 110 |
| [18:57:36] | sid3windr: | only a way too huge plug then ;) |
| [18:57:51] | gbee: | if you mean an Earthed plug, then yes ;) |
| [18:58:07] | GlemSom: | mkrufky, I tried deleting the browser cache – and reloading the page... The recording is still shown as "This showing was recorded" |
| [18:58:08] | sid3windr: | yeah |
| [18:58:22] | mkrufky: | GlemSom: wierd... |
| [18:58:26] | sid3windr: | somehow if hardware is delivered it has a UK or a US plug included ;) |
| [18:58:33] | sid3windr: | so I have a whole box of rather useless huge plugs ;) |
| [19:00:22] | gbee: | UK plugs are designed around safety, three pin earthed design with integral fuse and cable at 90 degrees to the pin to help prevent it being pulled lose from the socket |
| [19:01:52] | janneg: | GlemSom: that's not browser related, check in the frontend |
| [19:02:19] | fuxxy: | how do I find out what /dev node my USB device is using when I plug it in? |
| [19:02:39] | sid3windr: | ls <) |
| [19:02:44] | janneg: | mkrufky: reload would be enough, the info is only refreshed after the backend has rescheduled |
| [19:02:58] | sid3windr: | gbee: yeah, but seriously huge ;) |
| [19:03:13] | ** sid3windr thinks the swiss ones are nice and small ** | |
| [19:03:22] | janneg: | which can take some seconds depending on the number of record rules, days of programming data and capture cards |
| [19:03:55] | iamlindoro: | Here in the US we just get a couple of bare copper wires we jam in the fusebox |
| [19:03:58] | mkrufky: | yea |
| [19:04:06] | iamlindoro: | at least that's how we do it in my trailer... erm... house |
| [19:04:15] | sid3windr: | clever, what are you doing at iamlindoro's keyboard |
| [19:04:48] | iamlindoro: | I wondered what the lingering stank was in the house |
| [19:16:46] | gbee: | I like the Danish socket, it looks like a smiley face – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:K_plug.jpg |
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| [19:19:16] | sid3windr: | haha, yes it does |
| [19:19:23] | iamlindoro: | Crazy Europeans, I don't know how you expect children to get scissor blades into those sockets |
| [19:19:41] | iamlindoro: | How else will you weed out the very stupid ones? |
| [19:20:02] | clever: | my dad has asked the europeans how they survived 240v when they shoved a key in the socket as a kid |
| [19:20:13] | clever: | they just look at him funny and think 'so thats whats wrong with americans' |
| [19:20:49] | iamlindoro: | I'd believe he did it-- he does allow you to stick around |
| [19:21:03] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro: a determined child could take a 4-prong fork, bend down the center two prongs, and then stick it in |
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| [19:21:20] | mkrufky: | a determined STUPID one |
| [19:21:21] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky, I'd at least admire the determination |
| [19:21:29] | sid3windr: | swiss one is still most space efficient while retaining ground: http://www.leonardo-energy.org/drupal/files/p . . . .preview.jpg |
| [19:21:39] | sid3windr: | 3 sockets where only one eu one would fit! :) |
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| [19:28:03] | gbee: | in the UK the socket is gated, you can't push any sort of implement, metal or otherwise in (plastic shutters come down to block the holes when the earth pin is removed) |
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| [19:29:07] | gbee: | and I'm not suggesting the fuse is really necessary, but I like the protection of the fuse in the plug design |
| [19:29:20] | gbee: | which AFAIK is unique to the UK design |
| [19:31:00] | iamlindoro: | Huh |
| [19:31:01] | iamlindoro: | http://metaboxusa.net/ |
| [19:31:12] | iamlindoro: | Looks like a Satstealy Mythbox |
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| [19:35:31] | clever: | gbee: having a fuse in the plug would help the lazy, no more trip to the fuse box to reset things |
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| [19:37:46] | sid3windr: | gbee: yeah, the shutters are here in .be too |
| [19:37:58] | sid3windr: | sometimes they get a bit stuck and you can't get in a new plug :P |
| [19:38:08] | sid3windr: | hm, shutters are on the 4-way splitter things |
| [19:38:14] | sid3windr: | not in the actual wall sockets I think |
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| [19:45:11] | Dibblah: | GlemSom: What are you expecting "forget old" to do? |
| [19:45:24] | Sedorox: | iamlindoro: no source listed on their site... time to sue! :D |
| [19:45:25] | Sedorox: | j/k!!! |
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| [19:48:05] | sid3windr: | it looks nice, the metabox |
| [19:49:04] | Dibblah: | What a lovely company. Not. |
| [19:49:07] | Dibblah: | "NO RETURNS ARE ACCEPTED beyond 10 days from ORDER DATE " |
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| [20:02:03] | sid3windr: | eheh |
| [20:02:06] | GlemSom: | Dibblah, I'm expecting it to forget the old recording of that show. |
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| [20:31:37] | d0nets: | hey so my pvr150 i just bought for xmas wont work in feb? |
| [20:32:07] | iamlindoro: | only if you intend to capture antenna broadcasts with it |
| [20:32:09] | sphery: | tanderson: no, haven't had a chance to play (family visiting) |
| [20:32:51] | sphery: | iamlindoro: which message (which thread, at least)--haven't been following the list closely |
| [20:33:09] | iamlindoro: | sphery, You'll know when you see it |
| [20:33:11] | sphery: | (re: "answer stupid trunk questions in the manner I just posted") |
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| [20:33:14] | sphery: | ok |
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| [20:35:13] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Got it... Nice answer. |
| [20:35:52] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Followed almost immediately by Udo asking if the current -fixes has "no known problems" |
| [20:36:58] | sphery: | though, I think that Udo was asking about trunk... Paul answered him about -fixes, but you did see the "went to trunk, stopped working, went back to -fixes, didn't work" in there, right? |
| [20:37:24] | sphery: | Paul's answer was perfect, though. I'm glad he didn't say anything about trunk.\ |
| [20:37:28] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Yep, saw that |
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| [20:38:14] | sphery: | the Ubuntu auto-build of trunk is still basically -fixes, right (because it's so old)? |
| [20:39:01] | iamlindoro: | sphery, They've been turned off since before qt4 |
| [20:39:21] | iamlindoro: | So anyone who thinks they've got trunk when they get that is in for a surprise |
| [20:39:25] | sphery: | cool, so if someone runs it, they're just running a broken (i.e. without the fixes) -fixes |
| [20:39:54] | iamlindoro: | AFAIK |
| [20:40:05] | sphery: | someone on the list was recommending another person (who couldn't even find the wiki) use it so they don't have to learn how to build their own trunk. :) |
| [20:40:06] | iamlindoro: | (unless they've since restarted their trunk builds, which is always possible) |
| [20:40:13] | sphery: | (in "Trunk or built" |
| [20:40:17] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I know, that's the thread I wrote the long response to |
| [20:40:26] | iamlindoro: | But nobody wants to listen anyway, so eff em |
| [20:40:50] | iamlindoro: | "You never know, you might bring in the next big dev" |
| [20:40:53] | sphery: | Pretty sure #6018 is user error. |
| [20:41:08] | iamlindoro: | mmhm. I bet the random person who can't figure out building trunk is bound to be the next project leader |
| [20:41:14] | sphery: | yeah, not to mention, "Well, how are you going to attract new users?" |
| [20:41:38] | sphery: | (Who ever said we want/need new users? :) |
| [20:41:43] | iamlindoro: | #6018's submitter is present |
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| [20:42:00] | iamlindoro: | and there he goes |
| [20:42:09] | sphery: | I'll have to catch him... |
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| [20:42:39] | sphery: | if nothing else to mention, "mythfrontend --version" :) |
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| [20:42:48] | iamlindoro: | BTW if anyone likes quirky Independent comedy (a la Little Miss Sunshine) I highly highly recommend Hamlet 2 |
| [20:44:08] | decomp: | ive compiled mythtv from source, all works except i forgot to flag configure to enable firewire. Reconfiguring isnt allowing it apparantly. When i do '--enable-firewire' it still shows no support. Anywhere i can get more details on this? tx |
| [20:45:31] | sphery: | decomp: reconfiguring should work, though you may need to do a "make distclean" first. Probably (more likely), the problem is that your firewire libs are not installed the expected location (or at all) |
| [20:46:07] | sphery: | decomp: libiec61883 , libavc1394 , librom1394 |
| [20:46:47] | decomp: | hey thank you! i tried to grab what i thought were the correct libs but most likely didnt get them all |
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| [20:47:22] | metalac: | hey guys |
| [20:47:35] | metalac: | my power went out and when it came back I can't watch LiveTV |
| [20:47:43] | iamlindoro: | check your DB |
| [20:47:48] | sphery: | metalac: run optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [20:47:51] | metalac: | logs say "GetEntryAt(-1) failed." |
| [20:48:01] | metalac: | sphery: oh thanks :) |
| [20:48:09] | ** sphery loves the easy ones ** | |
| [20:48:32] | metalac: | yeah I've never seen this one before |
| [20:48:32] | iamlindoro: | I loev the ones that don't argue about what their problem is |
| [20:48:41] | sphery: | (easy for those who have experienced/fixed the issue, that is--not commenting on your not-yet knowing) |
| [20:48:47] | sphery: | that too |
| [20:49:02] | ** dustybin recommends Louis Theroux shows ** | |
| [20:49:45] | metalac: | i figured it's some db issue, i tried re-running mythfilldb to no avail |
| [20:50:06] | iamlindoro: | MFDB only pertains to listings, not to the DB in general |
| [20:51:04] | decomp: | sphery: thanks again that did the trick – ONE dev lib was not installed ;) |
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| [20:53:13] | bthornton: | Has anyone had problems connecting to a remote MySQL server when running mythfilldatabase from a stock Ubuntu Ibex install? |
| [20:53:44] | bthornton: | I've confirmed connectivity using the mysql command, but mythfilldatabase just complains that a table doesn't exist. |
| [20:54:08] | metalac: | sphery: thank you sir, it works fine now :) |
| [20:58:40] | sphery: | bthornton: sounds like either you're connecting to the local MySQL (i.e. you didn't run mythtv-setup on the system where you're running mfdb) or you have different versions of MythTV installed on the different systems |
| [21:00:40] | bthornton: | hmm it's actually looking more like a privileges issue |
| [21:00:50] | bthornton: | any idea what privileges the MySQL user needs to have on the DB? |
| [21:01:00] | bthornton: | the minimum set of privileges, that is :) |
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| [21:01:14] | iamlindoro: | everything but grant, more or less |
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| [21:02:10] | sphery: | bthornton: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 |
| [21:02:32] | sphery: | minimum is "all" (which means you don't need ones like flush privileges, etc) |
| [21:02:40] | sphery: | (yes, all is not all of them) |
| [21:03:24] | decomp: | some of the configuration settings are set to 'no' such as several opengl options. I assume i should get those working. I have an nvidia 8600 card. |
| [21:03:52] | sphery: | decomp: can only get them working if you have the NVIDIA proprietary drivers (properly installed and functional) |
| [21:04:00] | iamlindoro: | decomp, If you don't know what a config option does, don't enable it for nothing-- in fact, you will break things badly if you enable all settings |
| [21:04:06] | sphery: | decomp: though things like VLD and OpenGL Video should /not/ be enabled |
| [21:04:38] | decomp: | iamlindoro: makes sense. |
| [21:04:44] | sphery: | decomp: and configure will enable the /right/ ones for you if you have the right things installed/configured correctly :) |
| [21:05:13] | decomp: | yeah i just noticed that. If the dev libs are configured it picks up the options (like firewire). |
| [21:05:30] | sphery: | generally, ./configure --enable-proc-opt is a good way to go |
| [21:05:38] | dustybin: | i think ive found a bug in mythtv, with my particular tuner setup, every now and again, if someone is watching live TV already, and i switch on live TV, mythtv complains 'you should have gotten a channel lock....' etc |
| [21:05:40] | decomp: | cool thanks |
| [21:05:49] | sphery: | and ./configure --disable-<anything> is almost always bad |
| [21:05:54] | iamlindoro: | Think these days (trunk-specific options omitted) I use --enable-opengl-video --enable-opengl-vsync --enable-firewire --enable fftw3 --enable-libfaad --enable-proc-opt |
| [21:05:57] | dustybin: | if i restart the backend, the problem goes away |
| [21:06:15] | sphery: | dustybin: probably need to change the signal timeout |
| [21:06:22] | iamlindoro: | er s/--enable fftw3/--enable-fftw3/ |
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| [21:06:28] | dustybin: | sphery: never heard of that |
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| [21:06:37] | sphery: | dustybin: somewhere in mythtv-setup |
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| [21:06:45] | dustybin: | aye ok |
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| [21:07:13] | sphery: | there are a couple of timeouts, don't remember the words for the one you want, but trial and error should know |
| [21:07:29] | dustybin: | ok thanks |
| [21:07:39] | iamlindoro: | signal and tuning, with tuning being the greater of the two IIRC |
| [21:07:43] | dustybin: | ill test it later as my sister wont be happy if she stops watching tv hehe |
| [21:07:43] | iamlindoro: | (numerically) |
| [21:07:47] | decomp: | iamlindoro: very helpful thanks |
| [21:08:26] | iamlindoro: | decomp, you are welcome-- most of the basic options will default to on if you have the right libraries, as sphery mentioned |
| [21:13:40] | sphery: | dustybin: by, "I don't remember the words for the one you want," I meant, "I don't remember which one you want," also |
| [21:13:46] | sphery: | in other words, may not be signal timeout |
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| [21:19:08] | ** iamlindoro can't wait for the mythtv-vid merge to expose the non-commits watchers ** | |
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| [21:25:04] | bthornton: | okay got past the DB problems, but the only Listings grabber that's showing up is SchedulesDirect.org which, as I understand, is not free |
| [21:25:15] | bthornton: | I used Zap2It in the past but that's not listed. any ideas why? |
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| [21:26:35] | iamlindoro: | Because it longer exists as a myth source |
| [21:27:00] | iamlindoro: | Zap2it dropped their XML service, SchedulesDirect was created to provide listings information and is not-for-profit |
| [21:27:10] | bthornton: | so no more free listings? |
| [21:27:14] | iamlindoro: | correct |
| [21:27:18] | iamlindoro: | $20 a year is nothing |
| [21:27:28] | dustybin: | sphery: aye ok |
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| [21:29:25] | iamlindoro: | SD was started by a coalition of open source DVR and listing software developers. Nobody's making money at it, and in fact they're moving towards adding new services to the community. Well worth the 5.4 cents a day |
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| [22:08:07] | ajhtiredwolf: | Hey has anyone used the pvr-150? I just got it because i had heard how good the quality was, but the quality im getting is pretty poor. Im on US cable |
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| [22:11:03] | gbee: | quality I got from it was the best you can probably expect to get from SD capture (i.e. not even close to digital, more decent VHS) |
| [22:11:29] | gbee: | ajhtiredwolf: check the capture resolution, for US it should be 720x480 |
| [22:11:47] | ajhtiredwolf: | gbee well its pretty bad, everything looks like squares, and i tested it on a football game and whenever the camera was moving with them everything became distorted |
| [22:11:57] | ajhtiredwolf: | gbee yeah it is on 720x480 |
| [22:12:01] | kb1ibt: | what is the easiest way to setup my MBP (running leopard) to transcode my videos recorded on my Mini (running Mythbuntu 8.10 backend) |
| [22:12:13] | gbee: | you haven't changed the bitrate settings? |
| [22:12:37] | gbee: | MBP? |
| [22:12:47] | ajhtiredwolf: | gbee ive messed with them trying to fix the quality, but it doesnt seem to have made a difiference |
| [22:12:49] | kb1ibt: | gbee: macbookpro |
| [22:13:35] | gbee: | ajhtiredwolf: been a long time since I used my PVR-150, I'm not an expert on capture cards :/ |
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| [22:14:12] | ajhtiredwolf: | gbee well i am at least " pertty" sure that something is wrong |
| [22:14:15] | iamlindoro: | Depending on your expectations, it may or may not get any better if you've tweaked res and bitrate-- analog sucks no matter what IMO |
| [22:14:53] | ajhtiredwolf: | iamlindoro it is on a 32 inch screen so maybe it is just too big for the level of quality? |
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| [22:15:07] | iamlindoro: | screen size will matter less than native resolution of the screen |
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| [22:15:37] | iamlindoro: | If it's an HD screen, analog will suck worse than normal... and analog sucks normally |
| [22:15:45] | ajhtiredwolf: | iamlindoro I "think" that it is 720x480 |
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| [22:16:49] | ajhtiredwolf: | I tried doing v4l to see if that would help, but it locks up when i try that |
| [22:18:22] | iamlindoro: | You don't want that, that uses your niec hardware encoder as a framegrabber, yuck |
| [22:19:42] | ajhtiredwolf: | Yeah.. but honestly it looked allot better under v4l when I was usiong a saa7134, vs this pvr-150 on mpeg-2 econder |
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| [22:34:12] | sphery: | iamlindoro: LM gave away the answer :( |
| [22:34:26] | iamlindoro: | sphery, yep |
| [22:34:30] | sphery: | (the one you referred the user running trunk to the -dev list for) |
| [22:34:47] | iamlindoro: | Well why read all those silly e-mails when you can just get someone to distill them for you, after all? |
| [22:35:37] | sphery: | ajhtiredwolf: if the saa7134 looked better and you weren't applying /significant/ amounts of post-processing/filters, then you don't have the PVR-150 bitrate set properly for the resolution you've chosen. |
| [22:36:16] | ** iamlindoro notes the "Yeah! Me too!" action on the -dev list ** | |
| [22:36:38] | ajhtiredwolf: | sphery the resoltuion is 720x480 do yoyu know what the bitrate should be for that? |
| [22:37:05] | iamlindoro: | Depends on what size you want per hour. 6–8 Mbit is where you perceptually can't tell any more at that res/codec |
| [22:37:14] | iamlindoro: | which is to say 6000–8000ish |
| [22:37:31] | iamlindoro: | might try 8000 and a peak of 10000 or so |
| [22:37:39] | ajhtiredwolf: | il give that a try |
| [22:39:32] | sphery: | Generally, 4500/6000 isn't bad for real-time encoded MPEG-2 @ 720x480. Below that, you'll definitely see quality issues. |
| [22:40:22] | sphery: | If you prefer quality over quantity, though, go with 6000/8000 or 8000/10000 (though I'd actually do 7500/9800 so it's possible to burn to DVD without re-encoding). |
| [22:40:30] | ajhtiredwolf: | looks better, still fairly pixelated but i think that is just the way analog is |
| [22:40:42] | sphery: | what source? |
| [22:41:19] | sphery: | also, it takes the PVR-x50's some time to "warm up"--generally, they do poor encoding until the first black frame (generally at the first commercial/show boundary) |
| [22:41:43] | sphery: | at least in the US, we have a nice black frame or 2 |
| [22:41:44] | ajhtiredwolf: | cable |
| [22:42:11] | ajhtiredwolf: | 'you know one thing ive noticed in linux is that the colors dont look quite as good in video |
| [22:42:19] | sphery: | analog cable, not digital cable/STB->PVR-x50 |
| [22:42:51] | sphery: | if so, then you'll likely have some quality issues just from that--i.e. the digital encoding tends to bring out some of the noise. |
| [22:43:20] | ajhtiredwolf: | digital tuners pretty pricey? |
| [22:43:34] | sphery: | With the PVR-x50's, you can't do filtering on recording, but you can on playback, so if interested, see http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-10.html#ss10.4 |
| [22:43:40] | iamlindoro: | Can be very cheap-- $40 for something halfway decent |
| [22:43:49] | gbee: | cheaper than a PVR-150 (simpler bit of kit) |
| [22:43:57] | sphery: | you can probably get an Avermedia A180 (ATSC digital capture card) for $80 not on sale and $50 on sale. |
| [22:44:02] | ajhtiredwolf: | cool beans, have any that yyou would recommend? |
| [22:44:04] | iamlindoro: | Keeping in mind that with a digital tuner you will *only* get the few digital channels that are left unencrypted |
| [22:44:21] | iamlindoro: | meaning NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox, and a few local channels |
| [22:44:24] | ajhtiredwolf: | hmm well that is no fun |
| [22:44:35] | ajhtiredwolf: | and that goes for both cable and satelite? |
| [22:44:38] | sphery: | yep, IMHO, if going digital, you should consider going to antenna--i.e. you'll likely only get the same channels through cable that you would get with an antenna, so why pay the cable co |
| [22:44:49] | sphery: | yep, cable and satellite both encrypt |
| [22:44:54] | iamlindoro: | That goes for cable-- in the US, pay satellite cannot be captured digitally |
| [22:45:01] | iamlindoro: | so you'd be back to analog capture for that |
| [22:45:21] | ajhtiredwolf: | i suppose they do that so you have to pay for "their" dvr |
| [22:45:36] | sphery: | to get more--reliably--you'd need the high-def version of the PVR-x50's--the HD-PVR, but it's not really supported by a released version of Myth and work is still being done on the drivers, so now's not the best time |
| [22:45:38] | iamlindoro: | They do it so they control what you do with the content |
| [22:45:45] | iamlindoro: | Even if their DVR was free they'd still do it |
| [22:46:03] | sphery: | with the HD-PVR, you'd take component input and it would encode it (to MPEG-4 AVC/H.264) |
| [22:46:22] | sphery: | when 0.22 is released, that will be a much more usable solution |
| [22:46:25] | iamlindoro: | I heard some sexy beast mounted his HD-PVR in his case |
| [22:46:41] | iamlindoro: | I also heard he was going to build custom PCI backplates for it |
| [22:46:48] | ajhtiredwolf: | well I guess that i will just stick to analog |
| [22:46:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: I also heard the guy created a wiki page about it... |
| [22:46:57] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Yeah, I heard that too |
| [22:46:58] | sphery: | iamlindoro: how's the heat on it when in the case? |
| [22:47:20] | iamlindoro: | sphery, It came out of an enclosed case with no fan, into one with two fans blowing over it-- cooler than ever |
| [22:47:24] | sid3windr: | the heat is on! |
| [22:47:31] | sphery: | nice |
| [22:47:41] | sphery: | and it will keep your CPU/GPU warm for you, right? |
| [22:48:00] | iamlindoro: | Heh, GPU certainly anyway (9300) |
| [22:48:26] | sphery: | yeah, but more from the decoding than from the heat generated while recording |
| [22:48:32] | iamlindoro: | That's what I meant |
| [22:48:37] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [22:49:58] | sphery: | I like the e-mail on -users about the guy's phone sending a half-dozen e-mails (including one to -users) and calling a couple of people while he was helping push someone's card |
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| [22:50:15] | iamlindoro: | It is snowing HARD up there |
| [22:50:21] | eyp810: | Hey has eny one got a ide why my sound is choppy wile playing AC3 ? |
| [22:50:22] | iamlindoro: | (He's at dartmouht I notice) |
| [22:50:36] | iamlindoro: | eyp810, Let me check my crystal ball... |
| [22:50:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: We've got about a foot here already... |
| [22:50:47] | iamlindoro: | Oh, there's some dust wedged in your CPU fan |
| [22:50:53] | iamlindoro: | bye! |
| [22:50:54] | sphery: | and, coupled with the sig added by the provider, "Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry," makes for a good what-not-to-buy ad |
| [22:51:09] | ajhtiredwolf: | iamlindoro on the pvr-150 there there are rca ports, i was going to use them for audio, those ARE for ouput not input right? |
| [22:51:23] | iamlindoro: | ajhtiredwolf, the PVR-150 is all inputs, not an output on the card |
| [22:51:47] | ajhtiredwolf: | iamlindoro crud so you need a seperate graphics card for audio? |
| [22:51:52] | iamlindoro: | Uhhhh |
| [22:51:57] | sphery: | iamlindoro: It's been in the 80's (F) today, here... Currently 76 F. Beach volleyball was great, today. |
| [22:52:01] | iamlindoro: | no, I mean you nead a seperate sound card for audio |
| [22:52:13] | iamlindoro: | Your graphics card won't (usually) do audio either :) |
| [22:52:17] | ajhtiredwolf: | iamlindoro haha i meant sound card :P |
| [22:52:35] | iamlindoro: | Yes, your capture card is for capturing |
| [22:52:37] | iamlindoro: | whodathunk |
| [22:52:44] | eyp810: | hehe im using SPDIF so if some u guys new enything it could be nice |
| [22:52:53] | ajhtiredwolf: | bleh, the saa7134 had output for audio :p |
| [22:52:56] | ajhtiredwolf: | i figured this one would too |
| [22:52:59] | sphery: | ajhtiredwolf: but the PVR-150 will capture sound (just not play it) |
| [22:53:09] | iamlindoro: | Your framegrabber's audio output was *not* for feeding a receiver |
| [22:53:17] | sphery: | ajhtiredwolf: wasn't that just pass-through audio on the saa7134? |
| [22:53:26] | ajhtiredwolf: | yeah |
| [22:53:27] | iamlindoro: | exactly |
| [22:53:37] | sphery: | not too useful for recorded :) |
| [22:53:45] | ajhtiredwolf: | *shrug* works fine* |
| [22:53:55] | ajhtiredwolf: | I have it plugged into the input of my sound card |
| [22:53:56] | sid3windr: | nantrly |
| [22:54:16] | sid3windr: | yes, because otherwise you wouldn't hear any sound |
| [22:54:27] | sphery: | nand-turally |
| [22:54:31] | iamlindoro: | ajhtiredwolf, Right-- plugged into the *input* of your sound card-- ie those audio outs on ancient cards were for shunting to the audio card for capture-- they sucked. |
| [22:54:48] | iamlindoro: | the PVR-150 captures it all without needing a sound card input |
| [22:54:53] | ajhtiredwolf: | yeah... but who can complain at 15$ |
| [22:54:53] | ajhtiredwolf: | heh |
| [22:55:22] | sphery: | what's a PVR-150 going for on ebay these days? $20-$30? If so, I'd complain at $15. :) |
| [22:55:28] | ajhtiredwolf: | disposable tuner |
| [22:55:38] | ajhtiredwolf: | cheapest i found was 40$ |
| [22:55:43] | ajhtiredwolf: | well will shipping |
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| [22:55:57] | ** iamlindoro piles all the remaining framegrabbers up and begins dousing them in gasoline ** | |
| [22:56:17] | ** gbee lights the match ** | |
| [22:56:21] | sphery: | Fahrenheit 4510 |
| [22:56:23] | iamlindoro: | "Oh no!" they cry, "You've piled all of these on clever's house!" |
| [22:56:27] | ajhtiredwolf: | annnyway, I think il put tihs on the smaller 22 in screen, the quality wont be so noticeable there |
| [22:56:43] | ** iamlindoro cackles cruelly and ignites the flamethrower ** | |
| [22:57:27] | iamlindoro: | Oh my therapist won't be pleased about this |
| [22:57:58] | iamlindoro: | But when the voices demand that things get burned, the voices gets what they wants |
| [22:58:32] | ** gbee was going to finally get around to reading Fahrenheit 451 this Christmas ** | |
| [22:58:56] | sphery: | ajhtiredwolf: a friend was using analog cable->PVR-x50 (at low bitrate--quantity over quality) and displaying at > 8ft (projector screen)... Quality issues were, er, noticeable. |
| [22:59:36] | sphery: | Finally convinced him to upgrade to digital (but it required bringing an antenna, CPU/mobo/RAM over to his house and leaving them there) |
| [22:59:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Well, duh? |
| [23:00:17] | ajhtiredwolf: | sphery its not perfect, but id rather have all my channels " ok" quality, rather than just a few unencrypted ones |
| [23:00:44] | iamlindoro: | ajhtiredwolf, If 90% of your watching is on network TV, as it is for many people, then it's less of an issue |
| [23:00:59] | sphery: | I'm the opposite. If I can't get a high-def version of a channel, it's not worth watching. :) |
| [23:01:22] | ajhtiredwolf: | pretty much the only channels that im interseted in are the history channel comedy central and wb61 |
| [23:01:27] | ajhtiredwolf: | simpsons, history, southpark |
| [23:01:29] | sphery: | (Actually, if I can't get a DVD-quality or better version--i.e. digital capture of 720x480 works, too) |
| [23:01:30] | ajhtiredwolf: | :p |
| [23:01:43] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I am same |
| [23:01:55] | iamlindoro: | 100% of my content outside of Daily Show/Colbert is HD now |
| [23:02:01] | iamlindoro: | including all the stuff in MythVideo |
| [23:02:03] | sphery: | nice |
| [23:02:20] | ajhtiredwolf: | iamlindoro comedy central is encrypted?> |
| [23:02:39] | iamlindoro: | ajhtiredwolf, Depends entirely on your provider/local headend |
| [23:02:44] | iamlindoro: | generally, yes |
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| [23:03:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | 2 |
| [23:03:14] | iamlindoro: | 3 |
| [23:03:22] | ajhtiredwolf: | 4 |
| [23:03:32] | sphery: | I have 2 channels that give me 720x480... Local community college/PBS station (for Woodsmith Shop) and an ION one (has some good movies occasionally). Everything else is HDTV--though some of the channels still cut to SDTV, upscaled, occasionally (broadcast issues or to encode warnings/alerts/ads more easily) |
| [23:03:33] | sid3windr: | 5 |
| [23:03:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: hehe... stupid kvm... doesn't seem to want to switch... |
| [23:04:13] | ajhtiredwolf: | I supppose I could just keep thi stuner and use it for the ones that are encrypted |
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| [23:31:49] | jams: | iamlindoro- ping |
| [23:32:21] | iamlindoro: | jams, pong |
| [23:32:27] | jams: | whats your email |
| [23:32:35] | jams: | I have two patches for you to try out |
| [23:32:40] | tanderson: | argh, now I know why one should never attempt a remote mythtv-setup :( |
| [23:33:08] | jams: | still a few more things i want to add, but the core is done. |
| [23:33:17] | iamlindoro: | nothing wrong with running mythtv-setup remotely provided you know what you are doing and the system is set up properly |
| [23:33:24] | iamlindoro: | jams, in your PMs |
| [23:33:32] | tanderson: | iamlindoro: it didn't work and set my box up as a slave backend or something |
| [23:33:38] | jams: | got it |
| [23:33:45] | iamlindoro: | tanderson, "user error" |
| [23:34:02] | iamlindoro: | Most likely on Page one of General |
| [23:34:23] | iamlindoro: | jams, Cool, will play tonight probably |
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| [23:34:48] | iamlindoro: | Intended to svn up today anyway, but was waiting to see if the mythtv-vid merge would start tonight |
| [23:35:22] | jams: | oh it's way |
| [23:35:26] | jams: | on it's way |
| [23:35:32] | iamlindoro: | cool |
| [23:35:39] | iamlindoro: | got it |
| [23:35:53] | jams: | either re-run configure or run qmake it mythfrontend and mythsettings |
| [23:35:58] | jams: | then make |
| [23:36:26] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [23:36:38] | jams: | mythsettings is the cmd line version. "settings profile" is the new menu entry |
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| [23:38:07] | jams: | hopefully it applies cleanly, I haven't tried the patch set =) |
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| [23:39:28] | iamlindoro: | applied clean here to current trunk |
| [23:39:46] | jams: | cool |
| [23:40:03] | iamlindoro: | building now, will play in a bit |
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| [23:42:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: this dumb belkin kvm swich won't switch if there's no video signal, so I couldn't switch without getting the pc out of dpms... had to hook up a local mouse to do it... |
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| [23:43:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | Very poor design IMHO... |
| [23:43:18] | iamlindoro: | probably not externally powered? |
| [23:43:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Nope, it's not, but it's powered by the kb/mouse ports... |
| [23:43:46] | jams: | iamlindoro- thats just how belkins work, it's very annoying. |
| [23:44:09] | iamlindoro: | MOAR MONITORS |
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| [23:44:28] | iamlindoro: | Have a couple avocents at work, but that's a totally different class. Works nicely |
| [23:44:37] | dustybin: | what is the point of using a KVM switch when you have technologies like remote desktop? |
| [23:44:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: hehe... already have 4 on my desktop. ;-) |
| [23:45:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: Setting up a new frontend... ;-) |
| [23:45:29] | dustybin: | oh ok |
| [23:45:31] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, because people liek to watch video, play games, etc. on multiple systems? |
| [23:45:41] | dustybin: | ok |
| [23:45:44] | iamlindoro: | Go watch yourself some video on remote desktop and tell me how that goes |
| [23:45:55] | dustybin: | heh i see |
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| [23:48:40] | dustybin: | i tested out ettercap on my friends wireless laptop last night, he lost his internet connection and wondered why.. so i quickly stopped it lol |
| [23:49:51] | iamlindoro: | I wonder why you only take such exquisite glee in being a douchey moron |
| [23:50:14] | dustybin: | :( |
| [23:51:22] | ** directhex sends an umber hulk after dustybin ** | |
| [23:51:51] | directhex: | you know, i've noticed iamlindoro becoming less shiny happy over the time i've known him. i am hereby opening a betting pool on how long it takes him to become justinh! |
| [23:52:07] | dustybin: | LOL |
| [23:52:18] | iamlindoro: | directhex, It's exposure to people like clever and dustybin |
| [23:52:19] | ** dustybin falls off chair ** | |
| [23:52:34] | ikonia: | dustybin, what channel is he on |
| [23:52:36] | ikonia: | 3,2,1 ? |
| [23:52:36] | iamlindoro: | They'd turn their own mothers into ravenous killbeasts |
| [23:52:43] | dustybin: | ikonia: channel? |
| [23:52:47] | ikonia: | ooh |
| [23:52:52] | ikonia: | it's an irc nick |
| [23:52:53] | dustybin: | oh 3-2–1 |
| [23:52:55] | dustybin: | haha |
| [23:53:04] | dustybin: | was on ITV years ago i think |
| [23:53:10] | ikonia: | ahh you remember |
| [23:53:17] | ikonia: | I thought someone was saying dusty bin was back |
| [23:53:17] | dustybin: | aye indeed, only a little of it |
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| [23:53:28] | dustybin: | i dunno |
| [23:53:35] | ikonia: | I missread |
| [23:53:59] | directhex: | ikonia, you're not on msn. how's xmas treating you? |
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| [23:54:48] | ikonia: | good thank you directhex I'm playing with a test build of pidgin at the moment for some dev work hence why I'm not signed in |
| [23:54:58] | ikonia: | how are you getting on ? |
| [23:55:21] | directhex: | reasonably well. did you see any of the mono transition stuff on ubuntu-motu/devel? |
| [23:55:46] | ikonia: | I've followed some of what you've been doing/patching |
| [23:55:50] | ikonia: | not kept up fully |
| [23:56:07] | ikonia: | it looks very positive, and looks like your getting a lot done from what I have followed |
| [23:56:28] | iamlindoro: | I've just noticed that in the River v. the Reavers fight scene in Serenity, one of the reavers is definitely dressed as Han Solo |
| [23:58:06] | directhex: | ikonia, the ML posts had the desired effect, and we've had three ubuntuish people helping us within pkg-mono to get it done |
| [23:58:21] | directhex: | ikonia, reduced mono deps on the install disc: yay |
| [23:59:41] | ikonia: | stunning ! |
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